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This must account, at least in part, for the post-election hysteria among the social justice folk and their mentors at the Prog end of politics, especially those bent on suppressing or eliminating men. Of course, it’s only been the last year or so that their long-running animus became explicit, their writ against white men in particular. Before, it was all sub rosa, really just a byproduct of the campaign to uplift women, people-of-color, and the many theoretical gender categories vying for supremacy of the moral high ground. Hillary was expected to drive the final wooden stake through masculinity’s demonic heart… but something went wrong… and she was disarmed… and now this cheeto-headed monster in a red necktie is the president-elect. There must have been a clerical error.
Donald Trump was about as far from my sense of the male ideal as anything short of the Golem. His accomplishments in life — developing hotels that look like bowling trophies and producing moronic TV shows — seem as flimsy as the plastic golden heraldry plastered on his casinos. His knowledge of the world appears to be on the level of a fifth grader. He can barely string together two coherent sentences off-teleprompter. I was as astonished as anyone by the disclosure of his “grab them by the pussy” courtship advice to little Billy Bush. In my experience, it seemed a very poor strategy for scoring some action, to say the least. In a better world — perhaps even the America he imagines to have been great once — Donald Trump would be a kind of freak among men, a joke, a parody of masculinity.
But then consider the freak show that American culture has become in our time and it shouldn’t be surprising that a cartoon nation has ended up with a cartoon of a man as head-of-state. In fact, I doubt that there even is any remaining collective idea of what it means to be a man here in terms of the ancient virtues. Honor? Dignity? Patience? Prudence? Fuhgeddabowdit. The cultural memory of all that has been erased. The apotheosis of Trump may remind a few people of all that has been lost, but we’re starting from nearly zero in the recovery of it.
Consider also the caliber of the male persons who stepped into the arena last spring when the election spectacle kicked off. Only Bernie Sanders came close to representing honorable manhood — in the form of your irascible old “socialist” uncle from Brooklyn — while the rest of them acted like Elmer Fudd, Mighty Mouse, and Woody Woodpecker. And then when the primary elections ended, Bernie drove a wooden stake into his own heart in a bizarre act of political hara-kiri.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign was engineered from the get-go to complete the demolition of American manhood in what turned out to be a reckless miscalculation. “I’m with her (and against him).” Too much in recent American history has been against “him” and a great many of the hims out there began to notice that they were being squeezed out of the nation’s life like watermelon seeds. Most particularly, men were no longer considered necessary in whatever remained of the family unit. This went against the truth of the matter, of course, because nothing has been more harmful to everyday life than the absence of fathers. And this was connected to the secondary calamity of men losing their roles in the workplace — and the loss of self-respect connected with that. So the election awakened some sleeping notion that life was wildly out of balance in America. And being so out of balance, it swung wildly in the other direction.
The corrective to all this awaits a fiery passage through the coming tribulation that is about to start in the realm of money. You can be sure that many of the current popular assumptions about how the world works are about to change. It will present opportunities for men to start acting like men again — for instance, being on the side of the truth instead of reflexive mendacity. Some real men could emerge from the smoldering rubble and begin a from-the-ground-up reassembly of the male spirit. Trump may end up being little more than a broken monument amid the rubble, a sort of golden calf the people constructed in desperation as they sought a way out of the wilderness.
But the blow-up in banking and finance could represent a final detonation of manhood, since so much testosterone is sequestered in the dark corners of Wall Street and the money centers like it. And when that happens men might be in disrepute for a thousand years.
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Great post as always, Jim. There is so much detritus, I’m not sure anything can be found or rediscovered. I know one thing — Trump, obviously, is not THE ANSWER. We’re still FUCKED.
Liar In Chief
¡Viva La Evolución!
Not to mention, but I will, Cuba, as it exists now, is instructive to the theme of this blog and the theme of your World Made By Hand series. It’s much closer to that World than America is, that’s for sure.
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/cuba1.html
If Trump has any influence whatsoever on that Island Paradise, he & his minions will take it in the opposite direction.
The Cubans tighten their belts, literally, after the USSR imploded and the money from Soviets was cut off.
There are some documentaries about this.
What Cuba is instructive of:
Capitalism can produce prosperity provided there are abundant natural resources to fuel the economy.
Socialism cannot produce prosperity even under those circumstances.
Isjogren- When was the last time you visited Cuba? Never. Socialism does offer significant benefits. For example, Cuba provides state of the art medical care, without charge, to all citizens. Cuba produces more doctors, engineers, teachers, and other skilled positions than any other country in Central or South America. Matter of fact, Cuban biotechnology and medical research has produced a successful therapeutic lung cancer vaccine. American pharma are now fighting for the licensing rights, although this will not be available in the US if Trump has his way.Finally, Cuba is a virtual Garden of Eden. The beaches and coral reefs are magnificent, and in comparison to the sick marine ecosystem that exists in US territorial waters, the differences are striking. Thankfully, Fidel Castro had the presence of mind to create significant marine and inland wildlife sanctuaries due to his sense of obligation to preserve Cuba’s natural history.
Nice post.
Cuba offers state of the art medical conditions to Cuba’s elite the peasants hospitals are terrible. They have open windows and are broken down as much as the infrastructure in cities. Hell even the Castro brothers have their doctors come in from Spain and others in the high counsel go overseas for work. The average worker makes $50 dollars a month were it would take them a hundred years to pay for a automobile. They still use hand tools in their nickel mines. They didn’t spend a dime or any man power to keep their coast line pristine they just didn’t have any industry to pollute it. Cuba was a Island Nation that lived hand to mouth for the past 57 years as if frozen in time. All of Cuba’s literacy rates are from their ministry of propaganda as is their medical miracle as it is over blown and basic services. The people are healthier due to exercise and diet. They have no fast food or vehicles to drive them to junk joints or isles of crap we feed our families
Trolley-
Save the old and tired right-wing propaganda for people who don’t know any better. I worked/lived in Cuba. And yourself? My comments are easily verifiable. Where is the proof for your claims?
The Cuban constitution guarantees every inhabitant the “right to health protection and care.” The Castro government promoted medical education as part of a national project to revamp the health-care system, and by 1984, Cuba had enough doctors to put a physician and a nurse in every neighborhood. Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other country: 70,000 for a population of 11 million.
As a result, Cuba’s national health-care system—except by you—is widely praised, and the Latin American School of Medical Science in Havana attracts students from around the world. Life expectancy in Cuba is the same as that of the United States, and its rate of HIV/AIDS is one of the world’s lowest.
Cuba was the first country to develop a meningitis B vaccine. In 2005, Cuba provided cancer treatment technology for a new biotech company in China. And as previously mentioned, Cuban biotechnology produced a first of its kind theraputic lung cancer vaccine.
@ routersurfer
Thank you for the comment and I apologize for not telling you sooner.
Once again conflating COMMUNISM (Cuba, North Korea) with Socialism (Denmark, Sweden, France, Canada).
Actually Socialism is capable of correcting/mitigating many of unfettered capitalism’s most self destructive tendencies (ever increasing concentration of wealth). Without socialism in the USA (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, unemployment insurance, VA, etc.) we would likely have had a revolution a long time ago, and not the sort neo-Confederates dream about.
Socialism enables capitalism to survive it’s own destructive greed. It’s essential for any modern quasi-democracy, such as ours.
Point game. Bernie looks better and better everyday.
Re: “If Trump has any influence whatsoever on that Island Paradise, he & his minions will take it in the opposite direction.”
Think casinos, drugs, prostitution…
Excellent point, Cold.
The MSM ignore what Cuba has accomplished in sustainable, organic farming. It would be of great interest to many of us here in Iowa, where I hope my beloved state will, one day, be a land of healthy small farms and gardens. Today it is a sick landscape of chemical- and fossil fuel-drenched farms growing genetically-engineered Frankencrops fed to animals on factory farms and to motor fuel production. The portions of Iowa, that is, that have not yet been converted to tract housing, from which the residents drive their cars to cubicle jobs–when they’re not motoring to the nearest mall.
$75 to rent that video. Yikes!
…Trump, obviously, is not THE ANSWER. We’re still FUCKED.
And I say less FUCKED than we would have been under the reign of terror the “Godmother” would have subjected us to.
So true, cornpone! Just look at Hillary’s entourage of pedophiles and sexual deviants. Investigate “Pizzagate” if you want to know how evil her camp is.
“Pizzagate”, yet another unhinged conspiracy theory from the Alt-Right, that exists only in the twisted imaginations of the most ardent democrat-haters.
It’s just not enough that the D’s lost and you won, is it? You have to demonize people who disagree with you and turn them into child-molesting cannibals. Keeps the martyrdom complex going that you so badly crave.
Try dealing with the facts of Pizzagate instead of psycho-analyzing someone you don’t know, like myself. Surprise me and be intellectually honest enough to investigate and deal with the realities of this case without ideological prejudice.
No, it’s not about Democrats. Hastert, the Bush family and plenty of Republicans are part of the Washington DC pedophilia scene. It’s sad that some people care nothing for the children but just want to engage in knee-jerk name calling.
F U, Idiot.
Wrong. The evidence is very strong and growing. Podesta and Co used classic pedophile code in their emails. Their constant references to pizza, hotdogs, etc make no sense in the context they are used.
Just came out: Andrew Breitbart named Podesta as a child trafficker years ago.
Harm, actually the dems got 2 mil more and counting than the Trumpster. If we had a true representative gov’t she would be in. Last time we had a prez who did not win popular vote we ended up with: 9/11, Iraq, torture, Katrina fiasco,tax breaks for the rich and finally an economic meltdown. Stay tuned……
HARM
“‘Pizzagate’, yet another unhinged conspiracy theory from the Alt-Right…”
I have only just heard about ‘Pizzagate’ and I would be amazed and flabbergasted if it turns out to be anything but an unhinged conspiracy theory.
There a lot of similar bouts of mass hysteria these days but you seem to think they are restricted to the “Alt-Right”. Again, I don’t know what this means but I suspect it just means little more than simply the “Right” (I am open to correction).
Mass delusions are in fact overwhelmingly on the Left at the moment. I don’t think it has anything in particular to do with politics, just that the conventional wisdom and received opinion are overwhelmingly left-leaning. The following fit the category of “mass delusion” in my book: AGW (not Peak Oil), the Irish anti-clerical hysteria of the last twenty or thirty years (see Rory O’Connor’s IrishSalem website), the Catholic Church’s alleged paedophile conspiracy in Boston and elsewhere (I haven’t managed to find out much about Boston but what I did was simply more evidence of delusionality), and quite a large number of alleged paedophile rings centred on children’s homes (or rather “children’s”, given the age of the young people).
The late Richard Webster’s Sceptical Essays website is required reading for the last. His article on the notorious Portuguese case, “Casa Pia The Making of a Modern Witch Hunt” (I think that is the name) is an excellent introduction to this insane mindset. He has another jaw-dropping article about the Shieldfield case in Newcastle, England, where two unfortunate care assistants at a playschool (kindergarten) were accused of being at the heart of a paedophile ring is also very interesting. They were prosecuted but the judge threw the case out because there was no evidence.What did Newcastle City Council do but hold their own enquiry which confirmed the charges. The subsequent libel case criticized a number of senior professionals (including a university professor, a psychologist and a paediatrician) of serious professional misconduct. (As Webster observes, perversion of due process is not uncommon when feelings run high.) The two accused spent a long time on the run because of the danger from deluded moral avengers.
Someone below mentions the case of Jimmy Savile, a dj and television personality who did a lot of charity work. After his death in 2011 (I think) a documentary shown on British tv ‘exposed’ a rampant paedophile career and this was confirmed by the police (who did not investigate) and the NSPCC (Britain’s main children’s charity). He was one of the most notorious offenders in history and it had all occurred ‘in plain sight’. The narrative continued that he must have been protected by the BBC because he was so ‘powerful’. Evidence for this was that he was a guest of Margaret Thatcher’s at Chequers every Christmas every Christmas. The thing is, this last fact (always quoted although fictitious) and the accusations are wrong. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t serious. Some of the accusations are obviously insane, others need a bit of digging (often five minutes will do the trick).
I’d widen out the witch hunt category to include other kinds of deluded behaviour. This would include the “unhinged” reaction of many American liberals to Trump’s election, which closely mirrors the reaction in Britain to ‘Brexit’. Let’s thrown in Bill Cosby’s case (most probably – it takes only a few minutes to start or spread a lie but years to unravel a web of deceit) in passing as it springs to mind, but there are many more. Here’s another: the accusations of rape and groping made against Trump in the campaign are very dubious if you look into them.
I have spent two or three years looking at such madness. James is interesting because he often explicitly refers to the fantasies. A book which I read recently threw a new light on all of this. It is by Christopher Booker (and English journalist who wrote an excellent book about Global Warming – which he sees, as I do, as a delusion) and is called The Neophiliacs. Written in late 1969 it looks at the rise of the Fab Sixties in England in the framework of (two) “fantasy cycles”, starting off around 1956. I think the five phases were: dream phase, frustration, nightmare, death wish and fading back into reality (or more likely the next phase). Looking back at this precocious work it seems clear to me that this particular fantasy cycle has been repeating itself ever since. For me, political correctness is a kind of ‘meta fantasy’ encompassing all the rest.
Whether Booker is correct or not, I don’t think it is possible to understand what is going on without some grasp of this. For example, one major conclusion is that when you are dealing with madness and delusion there aren’t necessarily rational reasons for what takes place. (Many posters here advance some plausible rationalizations of events.) The liberal Guardian newspaper is a good place to observe it all (for example, a notorious editorial from February last year compared Savile with Pol Pot and suggested his body be dug up to assuage the anger of the people!), The BBC are the broadcasting equivalent. Having said all this, I see no reason on earth why the Right wouldn’t have their own fantasies if they won power. But for the present most of the insanity is on the Left.
@Sean Coleman
You do yourself no credit advertising your scientific illiteracy and suggesting that 97% of actual climate scientists are wrong but you, together with the likes of Christopher Booker, who hasn’t the slightest scientific or medical training or education but feels able to discount both climate change from his position of utter ignorance (he also discounts the effects of asbestos on health!).
I expect you also read James Delingpole and Viscount Monkton, both recognised as scientifically ignorant fools. If you wish to be identified with people of this kind, that is of course your choice.
Climate deniers are called ‘deniers’ because they cannot be reached by reason. They will continue to deny the truth no matter what genuine evidence is put before them. They are not ‘sceptics’ – scientists are sceptics by both temperament and training. When your scientific education is equivalent to theirs, you will be deserve to be listened to.
The other shocking thing in your post is your wilful confusion of a real case of conspiracy (Shieldfield) involving two genuine innocents, with confirmed revelations about the disgusting paedophile, Jimmy Savile, and the acknowledged (buy the Catholic Church itself) history of serious paedophilia and subsequent cover-ups within and by that institution.
Your motives are clear – muddying the waters is always helpful to the dishonest. But you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
And, BTW, you have elected a scientifically illiterate, bigoted ignoramus. I wish you – and the rest of us – the best of luck. We are all going to need it.
Corrections (wrote that in a hurry):
…but feels able to discount climate change…
…you will deserve…
…by the Catholic church…
Green Alba
So I should be ashamed of myself should I? Scientific illiteracy? Perhaps. Tell me, have you ever criticized the world’s financial system? I bet you have, many times, and yet you are probably ‘economically illiterate’.
I don’t know if you have missed my point by design or not, but I strongly suspect so. I find it interesting that so many people go blazing into arguments with me because they know, instantly, that they are right. And my motives? Well, it must be to ‘muddy the waters’. But why on earth would I want to do that? I have used my real name, unlike you. (Don’t tell me, let me guess. You are Scottish and environmentalism is dear to your heart. Perhaps you have a few words of Gaelic. “Green Alba”, FFS. I suppose it is a step up on the ‘Truthists’ and ‘Truthseekers’ in the comments sections of the sensationalist YouTube sites.) I have my own psychological theory as to why you go on the attack. Would you be an extravert by any chance?
“Scientists are sceptics by both temperament and training. When your scientific education is equivalent to theirs you will deserve to be listened to.”
I suspect your own education, scientific or not, wasn’t all that great, yet you claim to speak for ‘science’. I suppose after all the propaganda and the peer pressure a majority believe in AGW but it is no “97%” and many scientists do not. I am starting to lose count of the number of people who have assured me, online, that no climate scientist ‘denies’ it. I reply, what about Judith Curry. Is she a climate scientist. The last one I argued with said ‘She was’. But her website says she still is and her Wiki entry mentions no retirement. Silence.
That is one of a number of strange things about mass delusions. It is a perceptual thing, those labouring within one can’t ‘see’ what is happening.
Catholic Church: it may itself acknowledge these crimes but that does not mean they happened. Individual cases yes of course, as in all walks of life. But the Letterfrack Holocaust? The hundreds of babies’ bodies dumped in the grounds of a former home in Tuam? Look up Nora Wall, even Wikipedia has a fair-ish account (or had last time I looked). Look at the role played by the main witness, Regina something or other. If she hadn’t given an interview to the Star newspaper and dropped her right to anonymity (a right!) Wall would still be in gaol. As for Boston, try this:
http://www.irishsalem.com/international-controversies/usa/thepassionof-fatherpaulshanley-septoct2004.php
Look at Irish Salem, Rory Connor’s website. Look up Richard Webster’s site. But you won’t will you? You already know.
Jimmy Savile. Unfortunately “Anna Raccoon” is gravely ill and her site is closing down. She just happened to have been at Duncroft Girls School, which was the focus of the notorious Exposé documentary. Look at ‘Moor Larkin’s’ blog. He recently wrote of the documentary that perhaps not one sentence in it is factually true. The day after I read that I saw Booker on YouTube saying the very same thing about Al Gore’s film.
What one has to do in all of these things is to get down to basic, individual, *concrete* facts. Go ahead, on any of the issues I raised and please spare me the windy, uninformed rhetoric. The difference between us (one of them anyway) is that I have studied this at least to some degree whereas you clearly have not. Read Carlos Cruz’s Inocente Para Alem de Qualquer Duvida (learn Portuguese first), or Webster’s The Secret of Bryn Estyn. Follow any accusation in the Savile case, any one. Dig under the surface. Go on.
Finally I very much doubt you are remotely on a similar educational or intellectual level as myself. But don’t let that stop you. I made some very serious points in my post and you blow and bluster but fail to address them. What *is* the psychological motivation? Fellow readers of this blog (some of them anyway) have noticed some very strange behaviour but fail to put their finger on it. Others of course are, well, what was the word? Yes. ‘Deniers’.
‘And, BTW, you have elected a scientifically ignorant, bigoted ignoramus.’
BTW, I live in Ireland, am not a US citizen and so did not have a vote. I thought it was obvious from my posts.
Seriously, you are some clown. What do the French say? P’tit con.
Please – tell me you’re KIDDING????
Pizzagate is a glowing example of the ‘fake news’ phenomenon and has been grabbed (by the pussy?) by rabid alt-right thinkers who are prepared to believe ANYTHING that supports their deluded & perverted world-view.
It sounds like you’re repeating “the narrative” of the Hillary camp without actually looking into the Pizzagate matter and dealing with the facts. Since those who disagree with you have a “perverted and deluded world-view”; conveniently, you never have to really listen to them, and you never have to challenge or re-examine your own beliefs.
But if there’s even a slim chance there could be something very bad going on here, don’t you owe it to the children to at least take a look?
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When is the NYCPD going to press those charges on the Hildabeast? Are they waiting for Trump to be sworn in as POTUS? The wikileaks doc dumps on this are horrendous and it involves so many in power it boggles the mind to comprehend that the USA and other Governments are mired deep in this. It could bring down entire governments.
Wikileaks dumps are verified emails so you can stop with the right wing hysterics.
Julian Assange is a modern day hero and will probably get the nobel peace prize for the unveiling of the evil deception we are fed daily thru Mass Media brainwashing and public school and university leftist propaganda.
The so called Alt Right has saved the nation from Nuclear war with Russia and putting in a power hungry crook who is deranged and insane.
Unlike most of you Libtards I have actually had the privilege to stay in TRUMP properties and as a contractor actually work on them. Everything you hear about him being pro worker is true and everything you hear bad is more than likely another MSM lie
To bibliomaniac, 3050 is very optimistic. I don’t give our favorite species very much more than 2030. That’s a lot more realistic in my opinion. Soon we will have a great deal of difficulty growing food on the interior of large continents, due to the rising mean temperature and the depletion of the water supply. And that is just the beginning of our troubles .
Green Alba
Just looking at your post again, I notice that you say that Booker hasn’t a scientific or medical training.
Aggressive scientific materialism seems to fit into the pattern I outlined above too. See for example scientist Rupert Sheldrake’s website where he has a small section on the Guerrill Skeptic movement who patrol Wikipedia, weeding out any hint of heresy.
The anti vaccine movement is interesting in a slightly different way. Some of the campaigners appear convinced they are on the wrong end of a conspiracy by Big Pharma. They may well have a point, and I don’t know much about it. But the campaign against Andrew Wakefield, and the excessive venom of so much comment, rang alarm bells. This link is to the court judgement in the successful appeal of the eminent physician Prof. John Walker-Smith who had been struck of by the British Medical Council for serious professional misconduct. He had been in the same team as Wakefield, who was also struck off, on similar but not identical charges. People don’t tend to read court judgements, for obvious reasons.
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/english-court-exonerates-mmrautism-doctor-uk-general-medical-given-sound-thrashing/
The BMJ were found to have used ‘inadequate and superficial reasoning’, to have drawn wrong conclusions, and to have only referred to JW-S’s expert evidence in order to dismiss it. This is reckless behaviour on the part of a respectable institution. Why did they do it? It reminds me a bit of the Shieldfield case, though not as blatant.
As for Jimmy Savile, I only started looking at the case in February following some daft story my sister put up on Facebook. I said to her at the time, knowing what I did from Webser and elsewhere, something along the lines of: “It is very likely that the great majority of the claims made against him were false and there is even a chance, however small, that it all is.’
I definitely wrote the last bit. That I used the words ‘however small’, instead of say ‘small’ or ‘an evens chance’, shows how strong the pressure to conform is. I knew there was a good chance there would be absolutely nothing in it and I now believe that that is the case.
It is hard to see through mass delusions. In an article by Brooker in the Telegraph a few weeks ago he referred to what we all now know about Jimmy Savile, or something along those lines. So even he doesn’t see this one for what it is.
I for one appreciate your posting a link to the judgement in regard to the eminent Prof. Walker-Smith. In my case, it’s getting late in the day to expect that I will ever be considered an “eminent” anything, so if the epithet applies to Prof. Walker-Smith I’m glad for him. But it seems the eminent professor suffered a taint by being associated with the fraudulent work of Andrew Wakefield. If the ultimate decision of the court was to save him from the penalty of erasure by the General Medical Council, it was only prudent for them to investigate the possibility that the taint is deserved in the first place.
I posted the following earlier this year:
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The myth of a relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism stems from a single paper published in The Lancet in 1998 and since retracted. Ten of the authors withdrew their names from the paper* after serious irregularities regarding the study came to light, including cherry-picked evidence, conflicts of interest and ethical lapses by the investigator Andrew Wakefield, as follows:
“The GMC began investigating after learning from [investigative reporter Brian] Deer that Wakefield had failed to declare he had been paid £55,000 to advise lawyers representing parents who believed that the vaccine had harmed their children. The GMC found that Wakefield had:
– Improperly obtained blood for research purposes from normal children attending his son’s birthday party, paid them £5 for their discomfort, and later joked during a lecture about having done this.
– Subjected autistic children to colonoscopy, lumbar punctures, and other tests without approval from a research review board.
– Failed to disclose that he had filed a patent for a vaccine to compete with the MMR
– Starting a child on an experimental product called Transfer Factor, which he planned to market.”
Source: autism-watch.org/news/lancet.shtml
As a general matter, vaccines are safe and effective, including the MMR vaccine. Every one of us who hasn’t been killed or disfigured by e.g. smallpox, including all generations to come thanks to its eradication through vaccination, owes the scientific community an unpayable debt. And if there is a hell, Andrew Wakefield ought to pray that God’s mercy is all it’s cracked up to be, because he has a lot to answer for.
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* The eminent Prof. Walker-Smith was among those whose name appeared on the paper. I haven’t discovered yet whether he was among the majority who later withdrew their names.
Elrond
Thanks for your reasoned reply. As you can see my patience was not as robust as usual last night.
I hesitated when writing it over the word ’eminent’, but Wakefield himself classes him as having been at the very top of his field internationally so I thought I’d award him the adjective. (I once posted here a comment with the word ‘martial’ in it, describing pastoral peoples, an adjective used by Raymond Crotty, and sure enough somebody picked it up.)
I am no expert on the subject to put it mildly. I came across this not out of a particular interest in the vaccination-autism controversy but rather from looking at witch hunts and mass delusions. Even so I think I have enough to reply.
Reading your post I thought ‘this man knows what he is talking about’ because you had all the basic facts of the story at your command. Most people who know the issue in any depth would know them all but it is of course a much different matter laying them out succinctly and coherently.It was only when I got to the end that I saw it was from another source, who can safely be assumed to have taken a firm line in this. I don’t know the cast very well but I would expect them to be something akin to De Smog Blog in AGW.
If the story were as simple as their summary gives to understand I would not try to defend Wakefield. (I am concerned however by the way you express your condemnation. I’m afraid it is typical in all such cases and it something you have to be careful of. See below.) I suspect, very strongly indeed, that the story isn’t that simple and that much, if not all of it, is a gross distortion. Wakefield himself explains it on various videos available on YouTube and superficially at least he is convincing, rebutting and refuting all the charges (as you would expect him to do, of course). It is a complicated issue however and I would have to invest a lot of time to get a firm enough grasp in order to make a judgement. This is the problem with all of these things: AGW, Savile, Catholic Church and the rest. I am quite confident with my position on all of these but have not yet reached the same degree of certainty in Wakefield’s case.
I can’t remember what the story was with the legal payment except that Wakefield argues that he did nothing wrong or even unusual, but was rather following normal procedures. The blood sample from the birthday party was not done as charged and was not sinister (in his explanation, of course). He says that the welfare of the children was uppermost in his mind at all times: it wasn’t as if he were some kind of Dr Mengel exploiting defenceless victims. I am fully convinced of this, pretty much. As regards the ethical committee’s approval, this is again much more complicated than the storyline suggests and the judgement will go a long way towards explaining it, if you have the time. Wakefield also strongly denies the charge that he was discrediting the MMR vaccine in order to market his own patented replacement. Again, I don’t have a secure handle on this to say the least.
I understand that pressure was put on most of the team to disown the article. Wakefield was the ‘experimental scientist’ on the team and WS the lead physician. I don’t think either retracted which is why they were struck off for gross prof. misconduct. While the charges brought against Wakefield would presumably have differed from those against WS I doubt if the difference was that big. However I don’t think any judge would have found in his favour, which probably explains why he never went to court to clear his name. The point about WS being ’eminent’ was that his disciplining by the BMS really was an extraordinary decision, one that was inexcusably mistaken and wrong, and which can only be explained by the heightened feelings aroused by the case. I believe the reporting was likely to have been biased and distorted to an excessive degree and the demonization of Dr Wakefield was also excessive and, well, frankly bizarre, if not insane.
The Left have a nightmare (perhaps justified) of a resurgence of irrational crowd hysteria accompanied by rabid rhetoric and the scapegoating of vulnerable classes of people. What we see in these modern day witch hunts is pretty similar. This is obviously highly dangerous but it also throws a fascinating light on aspects of human nature that are little recognized. Reading Webster’s The Bryn Estyn Mystery (which meticulously documents the course of a paedophile ring scandal among care workers in North Wales) I notice he makes the same observation.
Finally, on the subject of demonizing rhetoric, the Irish state broadcaster a couple of years ago made an undercover documentary about mistreatment of adult patients with mental difficulties in Co. Rosommon. Some care workers were secretly filmed scolding them, restraining them quite forcibly, etc. The expected howl of public outrage materialized. Speaking some time later the Minister for Justice, Leo Varadkar, referred to the issue of dealing with ‘pure evil’. Pure evil? These were ordinary middle aged woman. One of them was black according to later tv footage! They hadn’t behaved well. Nobody, but nobody (as far as I am aware) picked up on these remarks.
Mr. Coleman,
I think we can both agree that there’s a danger of letting our emotions run away with us when dealing with matters as significant as the consequences of vaccine hysteria, allegations of pederasty, and the like. A responsible person will go no farther than the facts will justify, but there is a larger context to consider as well. While I am satisfied that any link between vaccines and autism has been shown to be spurious, the myth persists nonetheless, and it requires only a small minority of denialists to secure a bright future for infectious diseases of all kinds. Such dangers need to be met vigorously.
According to the WHO, polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases then, to 74 reported cases in 2015. We are within a whisper of the last child ever suffering permanent disability from this disease. For the moment, however, endemic transmission is continuing in Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan. And in its pursuit of Osama bin Laden, the CIA used a fake vaccination program as cover for its intelligence efforts, which created a real danger of backlash against vaccination efforts in a country where live transmission of polio is ongoing. Against these stakes, the crimes attributed to bin Laden, grievous as they are, pale into insignificance. If the disease should escape eradication because of the actions of an unaccountable spy agency, it will naturally come roaring back in due course. For polio to be allowed to remain a scourge when future generations might have been spared it for all time would constitute wrongdoing on a cosmic scale, and I for one would not be inclined to forgiveness.
Regarding matters of child abuse and the related question of priestly abuse, I’m less familiar with matters in Ireland than I might be. There was a scare a couple of years back regarding an institution called the Home where between 1925 and 1961, mothers were sent to bring “illegitimate” pregnancies to term. Among the more lurid allegations was that unwanted children suffering from malnutrition and neglect were ultimately interred in a mass grave located in a septic tank. I understand that these allegations were later attributed to hysteria and that the truth of the matter was considerably less bleak than some had claimed.
In my own country we have had our own scandalous cases to consider such as the Mount Cashel orphanage, and in my own life I’m aware of priestly abuses occurring both in my parents’ original home province of Nova Scotia and a priest at my very own high school here in Ontario. In all cases it’s important to tell the truth, to pursue justice, and to guard against demonizing rhetoric of the kind you refer to.
You say, “a responsible person will go no further than the facts will justify.” I disagree in so far as people should make an effort to ascertain the facts. Do you consider what you copied and pasted about Wakefield is a fair summary of the facts? I don’t and that was the point of my link to the court judgement in the case of Prof WS.
I am not arguing that vaccinations should be stopped. I know little about it. However I think I know enough to accept that an argument can be made that in their zeal to maximize uptake of vaccinations governments underplay risks which quite possibly exist. The success of some programmes, notably against measles, can be put down as much to improved public sanitation. I am pleased you agree about the dangers of demonizing rhetoric. It is a useful sign of what is occurring, of the danger of a witch hunt. Labelling those people who have reservations against vaccination programmes ‘denialists’ falls into this category. It is used by advocates of AGW in an attempt to discredit their critics.
Your linked article from ‘Dish'(?) is an example of poor reporting. It clearly refers to the home for unmarried women in Tuam. It was reported some time ago that they were going to investigate this ground. If the results are like those in other similar cases they will waste their money on diggers as there will be nothing to find. I am pleased you regard the story as hysteria but I think the vast majority of Irish people believe it.
(A notorious example was the Haute de la Garenne paedophile ring at a children’s home on the island of Jersey in the Channel Islands. A fragment of a baby’ skull was found following work with a sniffer dog. It turned out later (though it was of course not as widely reported) that it was a piece of coconut shell, or wood. The dog involved, Eddie, was the same hound that was brought in by Portuguese police in the Madeleine McCann case in Portugal and led to the discovery of evidence which brought official suspicion upon her parents. Note how Madeleine now pops up in Pizzagate. I wonder if Eddie the Wonderdog had a part to play in that too?) The airy claims in your article (which you rightly go on to put into context) about Vatican cover ups and the rest are well supported in international commentary but not by the ascertainable facts.
One of the key poinst I want to make is that in all of these things, from global warming to paedophile rings there is absolutely no substitute for checking the facts, the individual accusations, the concrete details. I have lost count of the number of times I have challenged people on the internet to back up their wild accusations about, say, Savile with reference to individual accusations. None have ever done so, because they have never looked but have merely accepted what they have read.
Here’s a link to what Rory Connor compiled about Canada on his website. I haven’t read it yet.
http://www.irishsalem.com/international-controversies/canada/index.php
To Danny jr2–I agree completely. Notice I said the game ended in the last millennium. Some of the Solomon Islands have already disappeared–they are trying to figure out why. Some confusion as to the cause, but rising sea levels are suspected.
Mr. Coleman,
I linked to ‘The Dish’ because I happened to remember it as a particular case where the blog’s owner, Andrew Sullivan, later backtracked because he realized he had let his emotions run away with him. (He now writes for New York magazine.)
You write: “in all of these things, from global warming to paedophile rings there is absolutely no substitute for checking the facts, the individual accusations, the concrete details.” Quite correct, but we know that there have been, and continue to be, concerted campaigns to distract from these facts, or to manufacture doubt in service of entrenched interests. Regarding anthropogenic global warming, Exxon performed its own studies as long ago as 1977 and confirmed the building scientific consensus using its own internally-developed climate models. It then spent decades withholding what it knew while taking part in efforts to “question the scientific basis for concern about climate change”.
http://www.ecoshock.org/2015/08/its-wrong-to-wreck-world.html
In the case of vaccines, I find that much of the opposition is simply irrational. It may be driven by parents’ motivation to protect their children against harm, by atavistic disgust at introducing a foreign pollutant into one’s body, or what have you. But a clear sign that irrational motives are at work is when the facts and the concrete details have been clearly established as not supporting the objection, yet the objection continues and even grows louder. No doubt there are genuine risks involved in the use of specific vaccines, and it’s incumbent on the scientific and medicall communities to exercise sober and responsible judgement in their use. But the other side of the balance is occupied by truly monstrous harms whose elimination benefits every human being, present and for all time to come, and we must take that responsibility seriously as well.
Elrond
“… We know there have been, and continue to be, concerted campaigns to distract from these facts, or to manufacture doubt in the service of entrenched interests.”
I don’t know that, to be honest. I have heard the Enron argument about climate change many times but have never taken it seriously enough to investigate. My guess is that, were I to do so, it will turn out (as usual) to be a mixture of exaggeration and invention. You might take this as confirmation of prejudice on my part but it has honestly been my experience so far. I have encountered the ‘He is funded by fossil fuel industry!!’ on many occasions and it amuses me because is it is so silly. A close relation is the “You have been brainwashed by the conservative media!!!” mode of attack by climate change zealots. Certainly in Britain and Ireland you will be hard put to find a newspaper or a radio or television station that is sceptical of AGW and I think it is little different where you are. The political, media and commercial backing of AGW dwarfs (at a guess) that of its demonized sceptics by about 50 to 1.
So why are these arguments used when they are so flimsy? If you think about it you would expect them to concentrate on their best arguments, but this seems to be one of them. I am convinced these far-fetched beliefs are held for emotional reasons and these are desperate attempts to rationalize them. That they believe these charges, or pretend to believe them (I think they really do believe them) is immaterial to their truth.
If their position is so secure (be it AGW, paedophile rings, vaccinations or ‘pseudoscience’) then why are they so anxious to close down the debate by calling them ‘deniers’ who it isn’t safe even to argue with? (I’d like to repeat here, just for clarity, that there seems to be a fair bit of this on both sides in the vaccination issue, as you point out yourself. Vaccination is really a separate issue from my point of view as it does not fully fit into the pattern of the other mass delusions, although it does have aspects in common, such as the bizarrely irrational behaviour on the part of the General Medical Council.)
The big problem with ‘distracting from the facts’ is that the facts are not uncontested. In fact, as I said in my original post, they turn out to be untrue time and again. Not just slightly untrue, or a bit exaggerated, but very often utterly untrue and misleading. The scale of the dishonesty and self delusion in these things can be breath taking. I can state this because I have checked the facts in some of these areas, at least to some degree, and read the evidence presented by others whom I consider to be trustworthy. You very quickly adopt the habit of scepticism in the face of news in general, most especially when it is sensational. My rule of thumb: if it sounds unbelievable it is because it isn’t true.
My wider point is that much or most of what goes on today in the world is not easily rationally explained because it isn’t rational.
The political right bears a lot of responsibility for the Hillary and ilk loosed upon the carcass of America. Their part in the culture wars was to basically fetishize their precious white daughters to the point that critique of these snowflakes was “hate”, and that was that.
So being that the D party is captured by women, white wealthy privileged beyond comprehension the D party will be the party of burn it all down if they cannot have it all. These women will per usual react in a small minded, petty and vindictive way, it is the way of the slighted woman.
America dodged a bullet by not electing that crazy woman. It is one thing for them to burn down their own houses it would have been catastrophic to allow these crazies to play international politics unhindered by anything but their own emotions.
*eyeroll*
If we’re going to rediscover men, let’s work on a kind of manhood that isn’t as crudely misogynistic as this. We’re more than our biology — let’s act like it.
In other words, act like women. That’s precisely what the Dems have been attempting for the last 30 years.
No, be a man.
1. Be honest and expect it of others. Do not tolerate liars and thieves.
2. Respect others. Treat them as you want to be treated. The fastest way to earn respect it to respect others.
3. Be responsible. Don’t blame others for your failings, take the actions you need to. Clean up, dry out, get a job, take care of your family.
Don’t whine about the world being unfair, don’t get on social media and troll behind the veil of anonymity. Don’t use your physical advantage against the weak. Don’t be a racist (see #2 above).
It’s not that hard, and it’s not the same as womanhood.
I do all of those things. But the “man” the MSM and far left have been attempting to create over the last 30 years is the skinny jeans-wearing sissy who uses all the politically correct phrases and feels guilty for being a white male. Perhaps even the obligatory man-bun hairdo.
Thank you. “Being a man” =/= being an internet troll, misogynistic bully or white supremacist bigot. Showing respect for other people, especially those different than you =/= being “emasculated” or a “cuck-” whatever.
The great fear of the insecure male is to be likened to a woman. Under no circumstances must you permit yourself to be painted in a feminine light: it’s dominance or ignominy, no in-between. And Lawfish just above offers a fine example of how to use this kind of sexual shaming with absolutely no facts or arguments to back it up.
The more insecure a man is, the more he feels threatened by women with power. Even if it’s not power over himself, even if she has just succeeded on her own merits (and no, I’m not talking about Hillary Clinton or anyone else in particular), the insecure man has to police her and push her back into a subordinate role in order to feel like a man.
If we’re going to rediscover masculinity, let’s make it a kind of masculinity that doesn’t sit still for this kind of thing.
This is all so … doctrinaire.
Guess Han Solo is not a man.
The problem with this insipid, defunct doctrine of “Manhood” is that it doesn’t produce the product it advertises.
Your sad White Knights already comprise the middling classes.
I look around and all the so-called “Men” are “honest”- about the safe, boring opinions, tastes, and lives they hold. Dutifully delivering their children into the maw of the system.
“Respectful”… with bent neck and sloping brow, tucking it between their legs, sucking up to their female handlers or enduring a quiet, pathetic desperation.
“Responsible”… slaving away to support their masters in in their enterprise of meaningless toil to forget the inanity of their obsolescence in this postmodern age.
This simplistic doctrine is just a thinly veiled judeo-christian ethics simplified for the Victorian era. In other words, instructions for peasants in a feudal realm.
But go ahead, stay on the plantation. You’ll be safe there.
So any time a man complains he’s a wimp? Talk about destructive ideas – ceding the ground of protest to women and women alone.
While I appreciate the implication that because I do not choose to act in an effeminate manner, I am insecure about my own manhood, I beg to differ. I work with a woman, a very good lawyer. She has strengths I lack and I have strengths that she lacks, so we work together well. Do I try to push her back into her “place” for being a woman? No.
For me, a man is a male who provides for himself and his family. He knows how to fix things and produce food. He’s not afraid of manual labor and he sure as hell doesn’t cow-tow to women simply because they’re women. And he’s not a sheeple debt-serf who spouts the party line because he can’t think for himself.
Lawfish, the call isn’t for men to “act like women”. In context you clearly intend that as a bad thing. You also assert that you’re secure in your manhood even though you “do not choose to act in an effeminate manner”. So here’s a serious question: Are “acting like a woman” and “acting in an effeminate manner” the same thing?
My position: no, they aren’t. Although neither one is cause for much concern in my book, since I don’t make it my business to police other people’s demeanour or enforce codes of masculinity. If someone has ideas I disagree with, I won’t be silent, but as long as they maintain basic civility, they can comport themselves however they want.
What’s more, the call isn’t for white men to “feel guilty for being a white male”. It’s for people to be self-aware and not take their social role, or others’, for granted. I don’t go about in a fog of guilt and self-torture. I keep in mind that my point of view isn’t the only one in the world, and for the most part I get along just fine.
Bravo!
Bravo!!!!
In true capitalism man up is the same as Trump up…… men care about others. It is only a dog eat dog world if the dogs win.
Manhood is like pornography, you can’t define it but you know it when you see it.
Wolfie,
Correct on all counts. Male traits are biological at base level, and outward manifestations are cultural. What is manly in Africa will differ by comparison to ones observation of “manliness” in France, for example. Culture can be changed, even manipulated…base level masculine traits, not so much.
The revolution is a woman, and it can’t give birth to a new world without a man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRVtlTwFs8
Long live American November (October by Orthodox calendar) Revolution!
So, there’s one woman who does not stay home with the kids. But she only has the one child. We are to assume it is Che’s.
At some point, however, I am convinced that with more children to : raise, it becomes absurd for the mother to think she can do it all: work full-time and raise a family.
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The recent coverage of the death of Castro by Fox News is turning me once again against that network. It was fun to watch, during the campaign, as nasty things were said about Hillary. But Fox commentators repeatedly calling Castro a thieving, brutal murderer is getting to be too much. Fox never talks about the thugs whom America has claimed as friends in recent decades. Like the Shaw of Iran, to name just one.
And Fox never mentions the US trade embargo against Cuba.
Donald Trump is the white Obama.
More war?
Bank on it.
Minus the knowledge of at least one language.
Nice!
What will be more entertaining the political left or the political right as events unfold?
My money is on the left being the ultimate in political entertainment, scorned and slighted white women on top versus the insurgents of the multi-cultural coalition of aggrieved minorities.
The political right being a battle between the feckless, chinless cuckolded fatherly types versus the eternal Hitlers of the far right.
Prediction time, if you think hatred of the “white male” is excessive now you ain’t seen nothing yet, the political left will be setting up gas showers within a year. In Realville a college will write up a code of conduct for white men and white men only within this year, maybe Cornell.
It’s been growing for generations. Women buy the most and they like to see man portrayed as fools in advertising. Then PC came along and weaponized an already toxic meme.
Women hate equality. They only respect men who are above them. Equality is just thinly veiled superiority for Feminists.
It began with Maw Kettle. “Yes Maw” sarcasm on ‘says the ideal man’ sarcasm off…
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
Janos,
Herr Joseph Goebbels
will be VERY displeased with you
if you do not.
I’m watching the Amazon series, “Man in a High Castle” about America ruled by the Axis Powers. Very beautiful.
‘Women hate equality. They only respect men who are above them. Equality is just thinly veiled superiority for Feminists’.
You need to lose your prejudices.My father was born in 1910 and yet was more advanced and less bigoted than you. My mother respected him and he respected her – that’s the way it works in a healthy dynamic. Neither was superior to the other or considered that they were. He was an honest, dignified, hardworking man – and he didn’t need to feel pathetically superior to a woman to be a ‘real’ man.
If my husband (whom I respect and love) considered himself superior to me, he’d be out the door in a minute (yes, it’s my house that only I paid for, even though he earns more than me, the backstory for that being none of your concern). Thankfully he’s an educated, professional person and doesn’t have stupid, backward ideas that are a security blanket for the inadequate.
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
I’m pleased to see that you are teaming up with David McAlvany – I have been following his “McAlvany Weekly Commentary” podcast for a few years now. It is original and thoughtful, but one thing which continues to frustrate me about it is that he seems firmly wedded to the idea of perpetual economic growth. I suppose nobody’s perfect…
PizzaGate.
Janos posted last night about it and ‘cover up.’ No, it is too late to cover up.
And the owner of ‘Media Matters’ is at or near the top of the list of names.
I hear the mainstream news is trying to call Pizzagate fake while it is painfully and obviously true, by default we now know that pedophile occultists (satanists/masons) run this country (and world), how terribly and disgustingly sad.
Thank God for those emails getting leaked and for weiner’s laptop being found, the minions of lucifer are not as “illiminated” as they think and messed up bad here.
And one “cognitive” proof: the owner of the pizza parlor – how does a pizza guy get to be one of the fifty most powerful men in Washington? Ok, he’s the partner of the Media Matters guy, but that’s not enough either. And that just begs the question: what would bring those two together? Pizza?
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
We’re American National Socialists and Hitler isn’t in power, Trump is. So it’s “Hail Trump” or “Hail Victory!” Got it, doofus?
I propose “Hail Damage”, ’cause nobody likes that either.
Didn’t it start with Hail, Caesar? And surely the salute dates back to early man, if not primates.
Malthuss,
I have to discount your Satanist/pedophile/cannibal/etc. meme. I saw this same crap 15 years ago…fundamentalist pastors beating the drums about Satanists…killing babies…no bodies because they had portable crematoria! Pedophiles all. I still have a ream of documents, sent out by our local Sheriff’s Office, outlining the secret crimes being committed, and Law Enforcement’s suggested response.
I guess these rumors come around at odd intervals…like herpes. Only difference is herpes is real.
What will you accept as proof?
Messianic,
An arrest with an investigation showing that the crime was not an isolated incident, but cult/otherwise widely connected…usual burden of proof for a conspiracy. I have an open mind on this, but I have seen this claim before, and it was a non-event…around 2005.
A cheeto headed man won because the other man in the race, Hillary was not man enought to prevail. Many years ago she said she was not a stand in the kitchen baking cookie kind of woman yet when it was Bill’s turn to grab pussy Hillary decided to stand by her man exactly like the kind of woman she had earlier gone out of her way to despise. At the end of the day with nobody knowing if Hillary was man, woman or beast she lost. She lost the election not because of the man Trump is but because nobody new what Hillary was. Nature abhors a vacuum and Trump’s character is questionable, but Hillary had none.
Podesta, Pizza gate.
Brock, Pizza gate.
Investigator in Haiti killed, a few weeks ago.
When does the collapse of Dow and Real Estate happen?
Some have been waiting for 8 years, or more.
Gonna have to wait a little longer, election relief rally in full swing.
It will get here, don’t be too anxious for it.
mal,
No one wants to tell you, because you are, what we call in your basic parlance, an asshole. By extension, we’d prefer you fail than rule. (“He who has the gold, rules.” — The Golden Rule)
thanks Mr. Jim,
I’d argue that many of the virtues lost in this cartoon nation, as you so adroitly named it, will be recovered through the authentic struggle in the Long Emergency. When the video games & porn are over, men must get back to the challenge of survival. There will be plenty of time for joy in this struggle, because the hand made products & foods of a population bent on its survival will forge man in an ancient image; a visage men have always meant in the form of Odysseus, of Socrates & Aristotle & Plato, of Perseus & Achilles, and of Charlemagne & Arthur.
In contrast to heresy of the techno-magicians who wish to meld people with machine, the types of men who mirror the aforementioned heroes of the past will help guide humanity back to its true purposes.
The evolved man of old [“Old Men of Renown” – Genesis]* has been rendered obsolete by the industrial revolution and the modernity it ushered in.The man who could lift heavy loads, compete equally well in armed combat or chess – that man exists as only a remnant.
But as machines start to sputter and algorithms lose their relevance, as the industrial revolutions runs its course and collapse becomes palpable, Man will need to re-emerge. It may not take a thousand years.
*This passage was written in the very early stages of civilization, and looks longingly back to a time when men roamed free. Even in its early formats, civilization was sucking the strength from the male of our species. The scribes and sages took note.
The Men of Renown of Genesis were actually the spawn of the mating of Fallen Angels and human women and as such may have been renown, but pretty much all evil bad guys known primarily for their ability to kill many human men. They, their parents and their spawn were actually the reason for the Great Flood.
Obviously one must look deeply into the myth to discover its roots in the human psyche. It’s likely that the writers were fully aware that the account was grand analogy.
I would add that the connection you make between the Old Men of Renown and the flood is not evident in the text, nor is there any indication that the Old Men of Renown were evil. I don’t know how you arrive at these conclusions.
Read Enoch.
The Book of Enoch is not considered reliable or salient and is therefor not included in the OT. Some early Christians liked The Book of Enoch but not enough to have had it included in the NT.
The Bible itself is not considered reliable or salient by hundreds of millions either for that matter. Considering how much the Book of Enoch details the subject of God’s Firstborn, whom may be considered a sort of “missing link” between God and Man, it is no wonder why the early corrupt Church deleted it. If you are a Bible person how can you not wonder why exactly it is that creatures who assume such critical roles as the Angels play in the events of mankind’s relationship with God are almost not mentioned at all in the Book? I cannot say who considers Enoch useless nor do I care. They are entitled to their opinion as am I. I do not seek the approval of any man when I search for the Truth, nor are there any men that I can conceive of whose opinion in such matter would be worth a hot damn anyway. Believe what you shall with my blessing and I shall do the same. Peace brother.
Yes, they were of the seed of the fallen angels and thus were not pure.
Old Testament Judaism is all about Race, you see. Indeed, how could you have failed to notice? Chosen People? A People who shall dwell alone?
And it is still about Race.
The oldest known book and the only book to cross over the Great Flood on Noah’s arc, and you call it unreliable and useless. I think you need a dictionary.
seawolf,
Now THAT’S funny!
A fictional book, aboard a fictional boat…
(This is getting good, but please remember: those who start to believe their own fantasies end up in bad situations. Look to the “Jan’s”; they’re beginning to swim with their own tide.)
Jesus, Walter, did they teach this stuff at “The Point”? Say it ain’t so….
You might very well be surprised how religious those men are who are willing to lay down their lives so that other men might enjoy the freedoms that they will all take for granted in the end. Faith was a very critical part of the experience yes sir, not so much today. Today, the focus is a bit different…
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right
Some say the Corp has gone to hell. Me, well my only responsibility is the fate of my own soul. Believe or do not believe, the option remains yours as long as our society holds true to the founding documents. Should it waver then you are on your own my friend. Good luck with that.
Walter,
I realize that chapel was mandatory in the late 60’s….
Well ef, I have been around long enough and have learned more than enough to understand that in this mortal realm there is really NO proof of pretty much anything which really leaves us all with belief and Faith. Those who believe and have Faith may very well find in the end that we have over prepared. I have NO difficulty with this possibility, in fact I have made it a lifelong habit to over prepare and I still cannot see the downside in it if there is in fact is one. Getting there to discover that you were really off base and are now completely unprepared for the next step is a situation that I simply cannot allow myself to wind up in for any reason whatsoever. It’s just me.
Nobody teaches this stuff, it is only learned by painstaking personal digging by curious minds who can think for themselves, exercising discernment by trying the spirits whether they be of God, from among ancient texts in ancient languages which have escaped the scalpel of the wicked.
The half has not been told.
Extraordinary…’those who have ears, let them hear.’
I like the way you put that sir, well said!
One day we will have a woman president; but she will be nothing like Hillary.
In order for a woman to win the presidency she will have to play down her sex the same way the first black president had to play down his race.
In some ways, with the election of Donald Trump, we will finally have our first black president; a loud, impulsive, in yo face ni66a with a fifth grade vocabulary and a hot white wife…
and zero f*cks given
Donald Trump is the white Samuel L Jackson.
Here is an excellent candidate for that spot, Catherine Austin Fitts…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeEzmmCd5c
I am sure there are plenty more, it is just a shame that THEY get to choose which one it is and not US.
I kept saying that Hillary was a bad choice because she was a Clinton, we were passing the Presidency back and forth between the Clintons and the Bushes, and she had all this baggage and an uncanny ability to get foreign policy all wrong. And her supporters kept saying, “La la la, FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT!” I remember how her fellow misandrist Debbie Wasserman Schultz tipped the scales for her throughout the primaries, and how Debbie mowed down her primary challengers, and how Hillary herself belittled Martin O’Malley – my candidate – in a debate for getting passionate about gun control (“Get a grip, Martin!”) She and Debbie laughed O’Malley out of the race. Now revenge is mine! :-p Bon voyage, Madame H – and don’t come back!
Not many may think of Donald Trump as a man, but at least he played one on TV. The dozen plus other Republican “hopefuls” stood there like cigar store Indians spewing lines of garbage, signifying nothing. They were all perfect examples of the political mantra of “say nothing, do nothing and no one can pin anything bad on you”. Americans have been spoon fed this kind of useless crap for decades now and have reaped the rewards of nothing-speak, which is nothing. Donald Trump, whether he is actually a man or not, actually played one by shouting out from the bully pulpit the facts that we who fight in the trenches every day have know for decades. That open borders, blatant corruption both political and financial, and that small, unproductive splinter groups should NOT be allowed to wag the dog. Draining the swamp may not be what he does if he is ever sworn in but it is something that all of us out here have known was necessary since the murder of JFK. Bernie Sanders was a nice old guy with a lot of wise things to say, but as was witnessed by his cowering down before the HRC Beast, he was just another pussy too.
There is a lot that can happen between now and 20 Jan 17 and while people like me that voice such fears are laughed at and ignored, in the final analysis, the system is still as corrupt as the that run by Nero and money talks while BS walks. Or more properly, just lies their and stinks. January 21st cannot arrive soon enough, at least right now that is. Let’s hope it stays that way.
Exactly so. Those who are men know him for one too.
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
You are obsessed. A tired little Bilbo hobbit who has missed a couple of meals.
Walter B: “Not many may think of Donald Trump as a man, but at least he played one on TV.”
As JHK is fond of saying, the virtual is not a viable substitute for the real. Yet it sounds as if you’re happy enough to accept a TV image in the place of actual substance, wherever that’s to be found these days.
Bad things happen when people allow TV to take the place of reality. Take torture, for instance. Kiefer Sutherland isn’t a federal agent, but he played one on TV. Jack Bauer always got the information he needed when he tortured people, even though in the real world, torture is a heinous crime that doesn’t actually produce useful intelligence. He managed this incredible feat by being a fictional character who only exists on television. That’s a neat trick if you can pull it off, and Trump comes closer than any of his predecessors as President. Meanwhile millions of people came away from 24 with the impression that torture is somehow justifiable.
A real man would pay attention to facts and to principle, both of which militate against torture unequivocally. Trump isn’t a real man. He’s a gaudy fake that all too many find alluring.
It sounds as though you either have a very short memory or that your reading skills are somewhat compromised. I have spoken out very specifically here on this site of my refusal to vote for a murdering bitch and therefore settled for choosing the other bad choice candidate in Mr. Trump. As far as the accusations that are aimed at him, murder for profit has not been brought up at least as far as I have heard. I have only once before voted for “the lesser of two evils” because I knew for certain that John Kerry was too scary to serve in the capacity that he was seeking. There are NO real men in politics, in media, or in corporate management if you ask my opinion. The only place that they can still be found is in the trenches, doing man work. In a corrupt society, just as in a cesspool, the scum rises to the top.
Not really. I don’t have a say in the U.S. election, but supposing I did, it’s inconceivable that I would have voted for Trump under any circumstances. I would have been happy enough to vote for Bernie, though Jill Stein comes closer to representing my views (note: this is not the same as me supporting all her positions, but she’s the closest approximation). But given the options available, I would have held my nose and voted for the neoliberal fembot over Cheeto Hitler.
http://mashable.com/2016/11/28/teen-burkini-miss-minnesota/#f9IvzbNbY8qZ
Don’s penchant [ why doesn’t anyone call him Don? ] for grasping the short and curlys of the female persuation has to do with his diminitive lips, major and minor. When speaking; used loosely in this context, he looks like a contented blowfish. These dwarf lips may be related to small hands and other shortcomings.
Errmmmh – American females haven’t had short and curlies since sometime in the 1990s.
My wife still has a nice patch patch of short curlies. It nice that some women like her aren’t afraid of their own bodies or of growing up. That whole growing up and becoming an adult thing has become a fate worse than death to Americans, as shown by this election.
Point taken. I didn’t really want to use the ‘c’ word. Frou-frou valve was out of the question also.
Pathetic. Get a grip. And stop staring at Trump’s lips.
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
Tribe? You all tend towards neurosis, apparently….
I am glad to see some positive words about Bernie Sanders, though they come about twelve months too late.
Bernie is very much in the fight today, supporting Trump’s promises to stop offshoring of jobs by corporate America, by introducing the Outsourcing Prevention Act. In an outline of the Outsourcing Prevention Act, Sanders said the law would bar companies that ship jobs overseas from enjoying federal contracts, tax breaks, grants or loans; require clawbacks of federal perks; levy a tax that “would be equal to the amount of savings achieved by outsourcing jobs or 35 percent of its profits, whichever is higher” and prevent executives of companies that offshore jobs from drawing bonuses, stock options or “golden parachutes.”
“We need to send a very loud and very clear message to corporate America: The era of outsourcing is over,” Sanders said in his statement. “Instead of offshoring jobs, the time has come for you to start bringing good-paying jobs back to the United States of America.”
Spoken like a true gentleman… a man with a fierce focus on rebuilding the middle class. We will soon see if the Republicans and Trump go back on yet another campaign promise. Bernie will hold their feet to the fire.
Sen. Sanders would be an excellent Secretary of State.
Perhaps President-elect Trump should invite him in for a little pow-wow. Trump already met with Sanders supporter Rep. Tulsi Gabbard who explained to him her deep concerns regarding the use of a “No Fly Zone” in Syria which could quickly lead to a nuclear conflagration with Russia. Having served two tours in Iraq and being a Major in the National Guard she understands war.
Trump sitting down with Sanders would be a smart move for both men.It could help Trump in dealing with the Senate and Sanders having Trump’s ear could help heal all the butt-hurt his supporters are feeling.
If Bernie teams up with President Trump we will need to bring back human sacrifice. Western Civ will have ended.
And when that happens men might be in disrepute for a thousand years.
More likely selfishness for the sake of selfishness will be in disrepute…if any humans manage to survive.
“. . . . men might be in disrepute for a thousand years”. More likely that the pendulum hasn’t begun to swing yet. The natural order will once again reassert itself with the danger being that the pendulum will swing too far the other way again, as it usually does in these things. Indeed, Mother Nature will not be fooled and feminism will be relegated to the scrap heap of history, along with all of the other rubbish of this “cartoon” age.
Meanwhile, we’ve had about 10,000 years of the Man Thing. How’s that working out for everybody? (And no, I didn’t vote for Her, or Him; She basically being an out-for-power guy in a turquoise pantsuit.) And don’t tell me about all the “progress” we’ve made, because “progress” is backfiring and progressively killing everything.
I suggest we build better men–ones who can work alongside women and work with nonlinear ways of thinking; we are, of course, living with complex systems that are anything but linear. We also desperately need rites of passage into adulthood for both sexes. What we’ve got now are base and destructive–legal drinking status and being licensed to drive motorized vehicles, the louder the better.
The characteristics of men have been carefully selected over millennium by the preferences of women for reasons of survival. The very things we find most attractive in a man, often things that are the physical manifestation of high testosterone levels, appear to be inextricably linked to characteristics that we find less desirable.
“I hate you some, I love you some”…Joni Mitchell sang about this.
(“All I Want on youtube).
Exactly. What the Sooties say they want, isn’t what they really want. Nice guys they can work with will be passed over in favor of an expensive suit and booming personality. Alas, some even go lower, going for outright thugs…
Such things speak to the potential for high income, high status and the breeding of superior children. A certain amount of aggression is also considered desirable for purposes of security and protection, which explains the thugs.
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
I never thought Kunstler would use the “m” word.
I’d be careful about dismissing Trump.,although I have no idea how he will be as president, either. At the very least, you have to admit he has operated in the real world, which unfortunately includes tasteless buildings and degraded entertainment. But it takes as much effort to build a an ugly building as a beautiful one. And as far as his show business ventures, what he produced was at least as entertaining as the average Ben Affleck flick. Barack Obama was elected with a resume that included “community” organizing, back benching in a state legislature, and a senate seat for 15 minutes. And it showed. So, who’s to say how Trump will do? We’ve had the cool Miles Davis running the country for 8 years, I say let’s give Frank Sinatra a chance, and let the chips fall where they may.. Ring-a-ding-ding.
I want many of the items on Trump’s list for his first 100 days in office, and right on top of those things from his list that coincide with my desires is the promise of better relations with Russia, the removal of illegal aliens and some sort of restriction on the immigration of people from the Middle East (Let their co-religionists take them in). His promise to do something about Obamacare, which is impoverishing people, is also something I support. Some of the items, of course, are diametrically opposed to what I want, but are things I could live with. I believe he wants to be a good POTUS. I didn’t believe that of Hillary Clinton, who couldn’t even be bothered to perform as Secretary of State in an acceptable manner, and used that office more as a means of enriching the Clintons.
Obama care are you crazy!????? Over the last ten years I have spent between 72% – 115% of my yearly family income on medical care from a group plan sold by a large insurance company that is a produce of the FREE MARKET. Obama care is not killing me.
Don’t know about you, but it’s doing a number on the rest of the country by adding to its bankruptcy.
I’ve voted the straight Democratic ticket in every election since Jimmy Carter, and it broke my heart, but while I find Trump almost unendurable, I despise Clinton even more. I don’t believe I’ll ever vote for a Democrat again, since the party is displaying such awful behavior now that they’ve lost. This whole Jill Stein recount at this late date doesn’t make any sense unless you look at it as an attempt to throw a wrench into the whole process. Jill Stein is their cat’s paw in this. If the recounts can’t be completed in time for the inauguration it will have to go to the Supreme Court, as neither candidate will have the requisite number of votes. It won’t be decided there either and will have to go to the Senate. They can chose from among those who ran or someone else. Possibly someone else who is more acceptable than Trump to both parties. There’s going to be blood over this yet.
From my vantage point and IMO, Jill Stein has a dishonorable agenda. Donald Trump won PA by way too many votes for their to be any chance of refuting the results.
As far as the other states, the Clinton campaign didn’t even visit Wisconsin which as gar as I’m concerned, is political malpractice.
No, Trump won and Clinton lost and people should just accept the results.
What is Stein up to?
And it is ‘there’ not ‘their.’ I think.
gar ?
Whatever Stein is up to it stinks of the Clintons. Are you aware that according to the Podesta emails going back to 2015, Trump was hand picked by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the DNC as their preferred opponent in this election? They instructed their media creatures to really play him up in the run up to the Republican Convention (along with Ben Carson and Ted Cruz, who would also do nicely). We got Trump because he was chosen by the Democrats as someone they thought Hillary could beat. That’s why the Republicans were so distraught when he won the nomination. They wanted to run their creature, Jeb Bush. Pointing out a poster’s minor grammatical errors, by the way, is considered by some to be a form of ad hominem attack that says more about you than the other poster.
Thanks for that [except for the last bit].
And remember Democratic outrage over the possibility of Trump not accepting the vote? All forgotten now. This is classic Democratic psychology: project all of your OWN darkness onto the other.
And Trump only said he would dispute if it wasn’t fair. And indeed, this gambit may blow up in their faces if it shows the number of illegal and dead people voting. The whole thing needs to be examined, including the machines.
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
“This is classic Democratic psychology: project all of your OWN darkness onto the other.”
I know you have heard of ” the Accuser of the brethren”. It far precedes the demo crats.
JHK–This may be your best CFN post since I signed on, around 2012. And FUNNY!
— developing hotels that look like bowling trophies . . . (Made my day.)
. . . it seemed a very poor strategy for scoring some action, . . . (About fell off my chair laughing!)
There are maybe 20 items this week I need to comment on.
Thanks, Jim.
I see from this morning corporate media spew that someone gave the president elect the password to his Twitter account back. Is this what we have to look forward to? Four years of the twit in chief repeating right wing click bait at 2:00 AM?
And how about those cabinet posts? Republican burnouts, anyone who resembles Major Frank Burns and various toadies.
Yep, they sure are going to drain that swamp with all those fresh, honest, faces. [/snark]
Darth Trump’s Tweeter Dump.
Beware of Bannon! He knows how to drain swamps.
It really is a tragedy that innocent men can be “tagged” as something they’re not by zealous feminists taking advantage of both systemic and contemporary attitudinal assumptions. I consider myself fairly liberal on women’s issues, particularly equal pay in the workplace, etc. I witnessed the emotional toll that working in a high powered corporate environment took on my own mother in the middle part of the last century: the sexual inferences and competency comments meant to diminish the spirit of women trying to do their best and who had better not complain nor rebel. Instead, women took the frustration home, to their families, or they let their frustration internalize, setting the stage for repressed resentment type illnesses to the detriment of their own health. Resentment is not healthy and toward the end of her career, my mom was living on valium and handing me money every evening to go fetch my own dinner, which as I got older, and via the ingenuity of a great fake ID, ended up purchasing beer instead. Put another way, there was a lot of festering resentment just waiting for that moment ‘when the worm turned’.
But it turned too far and too square, getting stuck in the acute corners of societal assumption. It’s almost as if men became the target of ‘societal spitballs’ shot out of straws blown from the back of a troublemaking classroom and when they turned around to say stop it, or worse, defend themselves, they automatically confirm the stereotype: Guilty—he’s male after all.
I know men in certain workplaces who WILL not enter a room alone with certain women who have the reputation of unjustly accusing men of sexual assault because HR will make their life hell and uncertain based upon false accusations meant to destroy.
And it even occurs in settings that should be free from such shenanigans. For instance, there was the time I was in a paint from a live nude model setting with a group of other painters and this one woman kept parking her easel directly behind me every single class. She left me no room to back up and garner a distanced perspective so necessary for visual comparison/accuracy. Eventually, I ended up waiting until the final moment before the model session began so she would not know where I was going to set up and when that failed, I finally, in rather angry tone, asked her why she kept setting up directly behind me. She answered, that is was basically none of my business, and she’ll set up where she wants.
Finally, after one evening painting from the model I inadvertently hit her easel with my foot when I was painting and her painting fell down from her easel and the painted side of her canvass plopped face down into her palate of colors. I looked at her and sort of shrugged in a ‘what did you think was going to happen way’ and she became unhinged, parading around the room and declaring that I ‘had done it on purpose’. I did not do it on purpose but I was certainly not sorry and my lack of remorse was basically a guilty sentence in terms of onlookers. In other words, I did not show enough remorse to the person who refused to garner me any respectful space the previous months of class.
And to seal my fate, after she was done publicly condemning me I walked up to her and whispered, “Fuck off, I did not deliberately try and destroy your sorry painting”. Not a wise move to be sure, because that too became “public knowledge”. In retrospect,I was angry and clumsily trying to defend myself from “the spitball” but still my honest of not falsely expressing remorse…
The next morning I got a call from the class monitor stating that it was probably not a good idea if I came to anymore classes and so I never returned. However, I noticed that in other classes I felt like a pariah of sorts, the one who told the innocent woman to basically go fuck herself. The biggest disappointment for me personally was that no one, even those whom I thought were friendly acquaintances, ever asked to hear my side of the story.
This woman knew a lot of other women who knew other gallery owners and the whole entire web basically served to blackball me from galleries, although I still managed a best of show here and there from judges unaware and not yet tainted by a one-sided portrayal of events. For a long time , this entire fiasco disturbed me on a very deep level, but I did learn a lot, no doubt about that. Now I just more or less laugh about it, because I kept on painting anyway and as far as I can tell, “she” did not.
(Apologies for the too long post.)
I’m also an artist. Do you have a web site? I’d like to see your work.
Not anymore….I got tired of trying to sort out the real from the fake scam artists dealing from Nigeria/ West Africa etc..
Classic feminine evil. Why did she pick you? Any idea?
Traditional Cultures understand such things. Modern Culture, with its legacy of Romanticism, does not. But even our own Culture at the height of Romanticism, knew that many women did not match up to the Ideal. Indeed, during Victorian times when the ideal had become popularized, women knew that it wasn’t a blank check, and that they had to strive to live up to it. All of this has been left behind. Now it’s all just, “You go, girl.” That’s the way the Elite want it. The Romantic has been weaponized against Men.
“Classic feminine evil. Why did she pick you? Any idea?”
I had exactly the same thing happen to me in a high school music class. Guy put his seat right in front of me, boxing me in, and then threatened me with physical/sexual violence when I accidently kicked his chair leg. I weighed 102# at the time. And that wasn’t the first time it happened. I had knives pulled on me at least twice back then, with threats to “Open up my c***”, had my skirt pulled up while walking down the aisle in class, and had every kind of low, nasty insult thrown at me, a teen-age girl.
Have you ever considered the idea that maybe women just got fed up with that kind of crap?
Yes, both cases involve passive aggression, but after the clash they diverge: he threatened violence while Buck’s girl tried to ruin him socially – and get him to curse or “threaten” her. And he did fall into her trap.
Janos,
Remember to say
“Heil Hitler”
all the time.
Otherwise Joseph Goebbels
will be very upset with you.
We won. You lost. Get over it. Hail Victory!
Not a long post. Good to hear from other people on how they deal with people not taking the right meds.
It’s far from reassuring to know that the people who voted Trump into office along with a Republican majority in Congress, are from the same group that voted George W Bush into office, twice. Their track record thus far is pretty dismal. Trump drained the swamp alright, but first he put the alligators on his transition team & into his government. If you like the Three Stooges, you’re gonna love the next four years.
Capt. Spalding, I don’t think the people who voted W. into office are the same ones who voted Trump into the presidency. Maybe there were a lot of voters like myself. I’m 61 years old, the first vote that I ever cast was for Ross Perot, I’ve never voted for a mainstream Dem. or Gop candidate. I utterly despise Trump as a man and as a product of the bullshit that passes for entertainment on television these days. Trump was the only voice out there talking about immigration control. That was and is the driving force of his candidacy and should define his term in office, along with his stance on trade agreements. Some Bush voters certainly helped him out but I’m sure there were lots of third party types like myself. I hope Trump does better than expected, but I’m sure he is another believer in perpetual economic growth, so therefore there is not much hope. Maybe he’ll slow down the war machine. Or at least war in foreign lands. Here, maybe not so much.
Hi cbeard. Like you, I voted for Perot at the time, and I completely agree with you on the issue of immigration. Trump is already backing off on some of his positions however, and I doubt that he has the temperament to be a good president. My own position is to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best. Personally, I think we are well and truly fucked. Look at what a Republican President and Congress did for us last time. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.
Your right. BOHICA. Bend Over Here It Comes Again.
De-fleshing wide areas of the United States of its industrial musculature and then leaving people to suck on the skeletal remains was asking for trouble. And bit-by-bit and day-by-day we’re finding it.
As JHK sez, men are no longer necessary in the family unit. Why? For one thing, because women found a surrogate husband to give them money in the form of government assistance. But this has been awful thin gruel as it never came close to replacing a man’s bread-winner wage in one of the many mills and factories that since moved off-shore.
The stick-it-to-em triumphalist ideology directed at men has its influential adherents especially on the coasts and especially among college educated women. These women revel in their new-found power and influence. OK, well, bully for them. But by and large the disappearance of men from the world of productive and well paid work and thereby from the family unit has been a calamity for women living in fly-over country and not just for white women but also – and especially – for non-white women.
And it’s not just men who suffered job loss in this misconceived and disastrous bout of globalization. A great many women have also lost jobs, not just in the now dismantled mill and factory economy, but also in the many businesses that depended on healthy family incomes for their survival and which employed women. Those businesses are gone too.
It’s not just about the money that working class men used to bring in. Other problems come out of it: single moms just can’t control teen-age boys. Yes momma, yes momma say the almost-but-not-quite-men in displays of fake respect and contrition, but when momma turns her back, the not-quite-men go back to doing what they want. You can see with your own eyes what the results are. Without the authority of a bread-winner dad a lot of young fellas go off the rails.
There’s a variety of competing models in the world for familial and male-female relationships, some worse for women than others. And I’m sorry to say this, but the world is mostly comprised of wife-beating cultures. Western Europe and North America are the minority where women aren’t under the thumb of father-husband-brother. In most cultures the father is emperor, the sons are princes, and the wife and daughters clean up after them.
The present day disappearance of men from American family life will be filled in some fashion or other. Power, as they say, hates a vacuum and women would rather be hitched up with a hubby than not. The question is how these relationships are reconfigured. As I said, there are other models out there in the world besides the liberationist-egalitarian model we tout as the correct one. For women in fly-over country, without the money to support it, liberation is a hollow victory.
Your post is so confused I don’t know where to start!
Women don’t use government as a surrogate. A “Surrogate” is a substitute. The idea that Government assistance is a substitute is absurd. It is an “alternative”. The idea among the right-wing, judeo-christian, socio-economic bloc that depriving these women of their alternative to poverty will drive them into the trailers of the men that grabbed them by the pussy is just stupid. An intelligent society (when America was great) put a FLOOR under this class of woman because they knew that the alternative is and was the gutter and the street.
I don’t think powerful women look down on men as a class because they have achieved power any more than they look down on a car because cars are common, useful, and frequently, dangerous. Its men who tend perceive reality as a relative hierarchy, assigning higher and lower orders of value based on that hierarchy. Women tend toward flattening such hierarchical systems.
As for the necessity of Dad, I can’t be too confident. Men are pathetic; in general- a fact I think a lot of men can’t figure, either through unwarranted generosity of bestowing upon their class a sort of unearned esteem or just through the distorted mirror that produces the phenomenon in modern culture where everyone believes they are above-average. The mean is shockingly low.
What dad-worship portends is many millions of Total Losers encouraged to browbeat perfectly innocent boys into becoming the Total Losers they are. These young men are full of potential to achieve a more expansive definition of manhood, and shoving them into a programme of imitation to become the faded carbon copies of a generation of faded carbon copies will only accelerate the disintegration of our common future.
When it comes to young men, the principal cast of villains is Mom, Dad, Society, and the Government with the Church as an occasional menacing figure. Its baby vs. Everyone Else from the moment of birth- Starting with the medical racket and the syringe full of antibiotics. Next, the egg-beater straight into the frontal lobes via compulsory education…
You use the analogy of a vacuum for the absence of men but the analogy is wrong. A vacuum doesn’t exist in nature unless a constant force is applied, absent that, the vacuum is a type of negative force that is quickly filled to bring the system to equilibrium. There is no force; Men have gone; they have been replaced; there is no vacuum to speak of.
The fact that eludes the ego is that Women don’t need men, full stop.
So men are just like “cars” – useful but perhaps dangerous? Not human being, but just things to be used. You are part of the problem. Your consciousness has been colonized by the aberrant feminine. Male feminists are some of the most feral people out there.
The Great and Infernal…
“The fact that eludes the ego is that Women don’t need men, full stop”
Ever been to a Lesbian Commune? I have, and the creatures did not look happy. Saw nothing that resembled a Kincaid painting…mostly converted school busses and lean-to’s. Men need women only for sex and procreation…don’t even need that if they are gay, or followers of Onan.
volodya: “I’m sorry to say this, but the world is mostly comprised of wife-beating cultures. Western Europe and North America are the minority where women aren’t under the thumb of father-husband-brother.”
‘Mostly’ sounds overstated to me, but there is a definite gradient. Thankfully, men beating women is at least outside the norm here, despite the number of men who get away with it regardless. Still less atrocities like honour killings or forcing women to marry their rapists. I would have added genital mutilation, but incredibly, in our culture that’s still a thing except it’s practiced on boys instead of girls. (At least among Jews, there’s the excuse of it having been done for thousands of years. I understand not wanting to break the streak.)
And then there’s this:
Moroccan State TV Coaches Women in Concealing Injuries From Domestic Abuse
http://jezebel.com/moroccan-state-tv-coaches-women-in-concealing-injuries-1789413270
“A Moroccan state television channel has ignited protest for broadcasting a makeup tutorial on how to conceal injuries from domestic abuse…”
Ugh.
“Meanwhile, we’ve had about 10,000 years of the Man Thing. How’s that working out for everybody? ” –sooty
We’ve had 60 or 70 mass shootings in the last few years, with another one in Ohio this morning. How many were done by women?
In ancient Great Mother times societies were matriarchies. Th
“In ancient Great Mother times societies were matriarchies”
Janet,
Matriarchies? Black Culture in the Ghetto is Matriarchal…. Chicago South Side is matriarchal. The ghettos of Hartford and Bridgeport are matriarchal. Waaay too much generalization in your post. Can you be more specific? What part of a matriarchy are you offering as positive? We all need heroes now….
I’ll give you one. Mother Nature doesn’t care what your politics are. She is just biology, chemistry, and physics, and she always bats last.
Bibliomaniac,
A light-hearted example, but not exactly to the point. Mother nature is a cruel mistress…civilization is man’s attempt at softening her vacant, violent mercies.
Yeah, but Elys, to paraphrase Menken, the US is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.
Bibliomaniac,
Interesting comment.
And all such cultures practiced human sacrifice. And they were still patriarchies for the most part too!
Don’t confuse matrilineal with Matriarchy. True Matriarchy is very rare, thank God.
K-dog, you’re right, Hillary stood by her man because without Bill she’s nothing and nobody. She’s a walking-talking example of ambition without talent being a terrible thing.
Hillary needed Bill to be her charisma. Her campaign demonstrated that she has no capacity to relate to a crowd. Ol’ Bubba Bill made you think he felt your pain and was going to make everything alright. Hillary just came across as phony.
A symbiotic relationship. He needed her brains, she needed his charisma.
Her, “I feel in no ways tired” fake Black accent speech is a timeless classic of phoniness that may never be equaled.
Doused liberally with purse kept hot sauce.
something is goin’ on, that’s for sure. and as opaque as it currently is, it may be ‘safe’ to suggest that it’s… sayonara identity politics*.
Anyway, good chance we’ll have the trifecta next sunday, with the Italians voting No in the referendum. That happens, the French will edge closer to electing (nut-job) le pen.
Then Europe as it exists now, is toast.
Anyway, long time reader, first time poster. Just wanted to say good job Jim. I always enjoy knowing on Sunday, that there’ll be a tasty morsel come Monday.
and to my fellow commentators… finally online a place that feels like a robust bar conversation, wherein people are not always seemingly in agreement, but none of the usual (dreadful) “yeah, well f**k you, you pos” cross-talk.
keep it up, community.
*I know this is merely the end of the beginning of that fight. the intellectual yet idiots on the faux-progressive side [https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.rx9m1wmnf] will now double-down.
(This oldie [7 months] but goody is also salient and timely: http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism)
A note to Kesa,
If you are not already ashamed of your rant of last week, would you like to post your last missive for a brutal deconstruction? The knives, as we wait, are being sharpened….
Kesa has a very feminine mind: deep insights often punctuated by angry outbursts and defended with irrationality. Her saving grace is that she turns her spite against both the Left and the Right. As Men, we are her gods, and she hates us because she is an atheist. She hates Fascists, yet is attracted to Men in uniforms. Goddess help the mailman….
As always, Janos, very observant.
Somehow I got the impression she was a catholic.
“Science Says We Inherit Our Intelligence From Our Mothers.”
The MindsJournal.com 11/28/17
Great essay – too bad it won’t be reprinted in the “failing times” or Breitbart.com
Having lived and experienced the nuances of “flyover” country as well dipping my toe in DC and the big apple and the left coast- I most humbly submit that no one group, sect, cult or gender knows what the fuck is going on in America.
The major media outlets as well as the Hillary campaign machine second my opinion.
Let’s hope that America’s second great “mistake” doesn’t result in inter-nation disaster. Even so – the “great experiment” may fail as a result of it’s own countrymen. They’ve risked it all to make their point.
I worked in a West Virginia town from 1981 – 83, a steel town that was solidly Democrat. The men who graduated high school were assured a job at the mill – tough work, but well paid, with first-dollar health insurance, and a guaranteed benefit pension plan. Then American steel production shifted overseas – and nobody seemed to care. Just like the factories and mills where Mr. Kunstler lives. Today, the mill is closed. The people who remain are mired in a hopeless swamp of disability, meth, and prescription pills – which are rapidly being replaced by heroin, as America’s physicians realize “pain management” was a hoax foisted on them by the makers of Oxycontin and Fentora. They didn’t feel America’s number one priority in 2016 was free access to male and female bathrooms for transgenders, and they voted for Trump.
Yet the population grows. Obama has released so many criminals.
The UN sends us more refugees.
Illegals.
Immigrants.
Anchor babies.
We are 350? million.
And that is the number one problem. Overpopulation. There are too many people on this planet and most of them don’t understand that the perpetual growth of anything, be it population, jobs, income etc. cannot go on forever. If world population can’t be stabilized it will be exponentially worse as we go along. Hope for realization of that fact becoming a reality is slim to none. At least until after the SHTF.
Give it up malthus, no one wants to hear us, Malthus was not wrong, just our inability to see. I have been baffled for many years but I think the real reason is that consciously or not we know that without endless growth the system we have devised is done. So lets just ignore it.
Fascinating article on this by Thom Hartmann in 11/25/16 Alternet, “Here’s How We Can Really Protect America,” in which he contends we are the global chump for not having protectionism: “Prior to the Reagan administration, when we still had strong tariffs in place and almost a quarter of our workforce was both engaged in manufacturing and unionized, America was the the world’s largest creditor nation…Today, we are the largest debtor nation in the world, almost entirely because of neoliberal changes in our trade policies, what the best and brightest call free trade.”
Good post. Thank you. That type of deindustrialization in America started in the late 1950’s with offshoring of minor assembly and small parts manufacturing. Step by step Capitalism in search of greater and greater returns for the non working class ate our lunch. I wonder if we have the guts to take it back? Until the chip food and gas dry up I think not.
Like Kunstler, I’m skeptical, for too long valour has been displaced by vainglory (extreme sports for instance) in masculinity’s attempt to attain distinctive role in society following banishment of its classical role. Nothing was left but the most banal aspects of masculinity such as Trump’s “Grab them by their “p—-y”, along with other base, menacing expressions commonly heard in rap lyrics and as appear in tattoos and on T-shirts (death heads).
That’s what’s left, unlike when I was growing up (I’m aged at 79); back then banal “locker room” talk about women was more in the vein of ridiculing mimic of boorish men’s expressions — showing lack of appreciative understanding about how wonderfully joyful could be a respectful relationship with the opposite sex (emphasis on opposite).
And of course you assumed (and probably still do) that women were utterly respectful of boys and men. And of course that is nonsense.
Actually, no. A constant in all societies is “inside humor” particular to each gender about its opposite, universal because there is a natural tension between the gender agendas. For that reason the foundational order evolved by any society reflect effort to manage that tension — as is necessary for social cohesion. Changes in balancing that tension reflects efforts to survive (as a society) against external forces. The gender battle now occurring in our society is really “artificial” for being sustained for profit motive by careerist whose capital comes from “identity politics”, not different in motive by those who capitalize “victim class”.
You’re welcome, do some research, no tuition fee.
But male inside humor has been publicized and demonized while women’s has not. Women have a deep aversion to men they don’t know anyway. Add to that our impersonal society and years of watching their own men made out to be fools, knaves, and murderers by the Media – and you have the current crisis.
Janos–In my experience, most women respect men to the extent that men respect them. But this is just my experience–and it is limited, for sure. Most men I know are intelligent, secure in their personhood (whether gay or straight), and like having intelligent conversations. Sure there are some assholes, as there are in both, or should I say, any gender.
Very limited. Women have the most respect for men who don’t particularly respect them. Women know in their heart or hearts that they “aren’t all that” and that their dignity is mostly false dignity.
But obviously most women don’t want anything to do with low lifes, retards, or thugs – and there’s always more of them among the male sex than the female.
Women like Liberal Assholes like Alan Alda, not because of their politics or ideas, but because they’re on TV and therefore socially successful. Freud said he didn’t understand women, but we do. The secret? Plastics? No, hypergamy. Women are born looking up. They want someone better than themselves. That’s what they love, respect, and adore. There are other aspects – like their response to Blacks and Muslim immigrants, but that’s a more advanced course. You have to get the basic basics before we can discuss that.
“pretty women out walkin with gorillas down my street”
They want someone better than themselves.
And what do Mudsharks want?
Trump’s administration will have to come to grips with the semantic legacy of the Wicked Witch of the West, which is the largest and most dangerous of Hillary’s flying monkeys.
This heritage is not limited to calling the Syrian cannibals a “moderate opposition”, traffickers in human body parts a “legitimate government of Kosovo” and the militants of Shamil Basayev, taking pregnant women and newborn babies hostages, the “Freedom fighters”.
The most dangerous and difficult to overcome in the semantic legacy of Hillary Clinton, which could bring down the presidency of Donald Trump, as it brought down the presidency of Barack Obama, is the substitution of Islam with Islamism, International Law with double standards, and the results of World War II with the results of the Cold War.
And to deal with this legacy Donald Trump will have to work together with Vladimir Putin, as – unlike the US – for Russia, Islam is one of the traditional religions, the importance of which can not be overestimated.
Finn: this dialogical dumpster stinks two ways. I’m already tired of hearing about the “alt-right.” Why don’t we just call them what they are–white supremacists. The new dictionary term for 2016 is post-truth. Hillary didn’t start all this–although she sure didn’t help–Orwell was on to it as you know long ago. We’ll need microscopes, 3-way mirrors, and tinfoil hats to interpret the press from now on.
Yes, there is much confusion with many trying to steal our brand. One caveat though: we are not supremacists but separatists. We simply feel Whites have the same rights as everyone else, namely to have our own societies and cultures. How on Earth could anyone disagree with that?
Janos,
Himmler has deserted you.
Joseph Goebbels
Hates you now.
Wrongo, poor Nazi.
Go to daddy Hitler and cry.
Likud in Israel is also National Socialism. And you love them!
ALL HAT, NO CATTLE
“Asked whether the Department of Justice would investigate Trump’s claim of illegal voting, or if Trump had notified state and local governments of his supposed discovery, Miller dodged the question.
It would, he said, be “inappropriate” for him “to speculate with regard to Justice Department activity before the inauguration, swearing-in and transfer of power.”
———————–
Trump makes accusations based on no evidence. If he has evidence, he should go after those millions of “fraudulent” voters. But he has no evidence, because there were not millions of fraudulent votes cast.
“DISCOVERY” AND INTIMIDATION… BASED ON LIES… IF TRUMP IS INAUGURATED…
THIS IS THE REDISCOVERY: VIOLENT CORRUPT MISOGYNIST MEN
The glass ceiling for women is present and still clear in this article and showing that men are still fearful of women.
The psychs, academics, perverts and other misguided people or groups have generated so much confusion into our world about sexuality, that that is also a cartoon. It is very simple…
Just follow the damn blueprint of Mother Nature (biology). Stop trying to intervene and pervert the roles of men and women due to your personal mental and emotional aberrations and “fuckedupness”.
Homosexuality and lesbianism are sexual perversions. Trans-gender nonsense and sex change operations are perversions on an exponential level.
The male is the hunter, provider, builder, protector, husband and father. The female is the nurturer, homemaker, organizer, source of aesthetics, wife and mother. Both roles are beautiful, magical and supportive of each other. They form the team, the complete protein and can’t exist without each other in some sort of workable social environment. The family unit is the building block of humanity.
Knock off all the nonsense and get with the program.
amb: As you probably know, those that adhere to “the program” are known as “the remnant”.
“The family unit is the building block of humanity”…perhaps, but not necessarily the so-called Leave-it-to-Beaver ‘Nuclear Family’ of today. Humanity seems to do better when organized around clans – extended families – and in tribal settings. The dominance of the Nuclear Family has been an unfortunate by-product of civilization.
“It takes a village to raise a child” may be trite, but it’s true.
In other words, once women rule men, peace and prosperity will come to pass for all. Winnie Mandela, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, and Queen Elizabeth are proof as if proof is needed.
Janos,
Suck on Himmler’s nutsack.
Poor Janos,
Joseph Goebbels
does not love you anymore.
Go to daddy Hitler and cry.
You poor sick bastard. Europe is going Fascist and you’re going to live to see it. And Fascism is just a stop on the way to National Socialism.
Lick Hitlerys boot, sucka.
Don’t forget about the “glass floor” that allows women to be ignorant and apathetic at the same time.
Women will never be accountable until they have jobs where mistakes and inattention will get THEM killed; (instead of some random men at an embassy in Libya…)
Ah,….see; tension between agenda difference of the two sexes is natural — normal. Attempt at managing that tension for societal survival is the foundation of all societies (most of which have not survived just as most species that ever existed became extinct). Focus and emphasis is different between the sexes, evident in the most obvious aspects of day-to-day life, such as in driving behavior; men are much more aware of the full surround of traffic because they are innately more attentive to possible threat but also are more prone to aggressive driving. Deal with it.
Ask any woman what male physical attribute she considers most important and over 95% will respond “his ass”. Hence for untold eons, selective evolution has been tending towards males with ever more tight and muscular posteriors.
Ergo, if what we see at Wal-Mart is the evolved, taut male butt, this means prehistoric men had almost unimaginably huge and flabby asses. Sadly, their wicker furniture has not survived to provide confirmation.
BWA HA HA HA HA.
It’s her, Buck. Don’t give her your information. The B in Bwa gives her away.
Her who?
Her Roomba. You programmed yours to attack Buck’s easel if not his person.
Oh, ha ha ha. Busted! Yes, I’ve been lurking all these years only to find poor Buck here on CFN.
Ask any woman what male physical attribute she considers most important and over 95% will respond “his wallet”.
Thwack
Excellent!
A woman’s wealth is her beauty, a man’s beauty his wealth…. Janos
olo vs $
JANOS,
Joseph Goebbels
does not love you any more.
Wrongo, poor Nazi.
Go to daddy Hitler and cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHp3OO0DalE
Why is it always about men? You men are afraid of losing your masculinity? Don’t make me laugh. And Donald Trump is all man, he proves it by speaking down to women, every chance he gets. It doesn’t matter that he is dumb as a doorknob, just as long as he can tell us about his sexual physical abilities. We need a woman president. I believe this is the only way we will ever get any change in our country. I can only hope that a woman lead us away from wars, and get us all health care, and take care of our planet, and our children! But I know men won’t let it happen in my life time. We have to have a black president before a woman, an idiot man before a woman, and what will the next type of man be like, before we have before we can have a woman president? Yes, you men have ruled the world long enough. Look around. Do you think everything should be like this? It doesn’t have to be. And please, stop worrying that you all aren’t manly enough, you make me sick!
Digitus Impudicus….
Yes, maybe she will even reduce the male population by 90% or more – a long standing dream of radical feminists.
Poor Janos,
Joseph Goebbels
did not give him permission to say that.
Wrongo, poor Nazi.
Go to daddy Hitler and cry.
White men have had their power stripped over two generations, from right around Reagan. George HW Bush got 56 % of white vote and it meant 400 electoral votes, Romney did the same for 200. We know Bush stole two elections. Now the ugly head of election fraud is rearing its ugly head again, and once again it’s a Republican victory. The party of old white men can only win if they cheat. This is JFK/LBJ 2. Once Trump is impeached, they get Mike Pence, who they wanted all along. But they need a TV clown, bombastic and racist, misogynistic and stupid, to get them over the finish line. Wait a year or two, and get rid of the guy. At least they won’t have to kill the guy. I’m sure that saddens many. It’s all theater. They manipulate us, we don;t even know it, and while it’s going on our testicles swell with purported victory. All theater.
You’re just mad you didn’t get invited to the DNC pizza party.
” A note to Kesa,
If you are not already ashamed of your rant of last week, ”
Another ad hominine, still no sign of anything resembling a counter-argument.
Yawn.
“would you like to post your last missive for a brutal deconstruction?’
Done about ten hours ago.
“tick…..tock…..tick…..tock….tick….tock ”
Ohh, please do humiliate us with your Gestapo apologia of how, somehow, putting a human being in a cage for reasons the guy in the funny costume must himself think are stupid, wrong, or culturally suicidal, ( ASSUMING he/she HAS a conscience, ASSUMING he/ she does not flatly refuse to think critically ) is really no big deal .
Well, the theme of Mr. Kunstler’s latest post is contrasting the world of yesterday to the current North Korean Disneyland.
My further comments , in addition to what I wrote hours ago, compliment that theme nicely ;
Certainly and especially in the English-speaking world , in order to lionize the police, you have to ignore 300 years worth, a mountain of , commentary from imminent judges, lawyers, politicians , and political thinkers all in the vein of ;
The police is a questionable and dangerous institution.
A standing threat to liberty.
UNLESS you WANT tyranny, this institution must be constantly watched, and limited and circumscribed as much as, and whenever, possible.
But, oh, those old dead white guys in wigs never saw an Ipod, so what the hell did they know right ?
Well, everyone can’t be expected to wade through 20 years worth of the scribblings of the 17th, 18th, and 19th century.
So what about the U.S . constitution , have you heard of that ?
It is fair to describe the document as a catalog of formulas that in one way or another attempt to limit and circumscribe state power, and most obviously its police power.
Much of the time, most people can’t really tell you what the bulk of the document concerns, like the electoral college for example, 90% of the time people are oblivious to it.
But just about everyone has some familiarity, however nebulous, with the Bill of Rights — and the Bill of Rights most specifically concerns and involves the police.
Gee , if the police are such wonderful people, why all this ranting to- do ?
What, they were complaining about / worrying about Kempei Tei in isolated Japan on the other side of the world ?
Nooo, they couldn’t have been talking about police in America or England, couldn’t have been talking about the intrinsic nature of this black institution ( The SS got that right. Black was the right color choice for that crowd. ) in America or England !
The oldest standing and regulated police is the English . And, as is well-known ( ? ) for a long time they were unarmed.
Was that some bizarre , quaint, Limey custom ??
Was the great Imperial British Empire being managed by a bunch of naïve liberal panty-waists in 1820 ?
No, they were unarmed BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TRUSTED.
The Brits had long and bloody experience, 17th through late 18th century , of the results of giving that crowd guns.
So, ironically, describing me as a disgraceful ranter is way off the mark.
It’s your own side you are so describing.
—Assuming you actually are on that side. Perhaps , as Samuel Johnson said, ” Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel ” , and all of that is a mask for something rather different ?
It is not a natural role for a woman to lead a company, country, etc. This has only happened because men have become degraded and women have been “masculinized”. It doesn’t really have to do with the beings in the bodies, running the bodies, as beings have no sex. It is biology, the body type, the way the brains and nervous systems are wired, the hormonal structures, etc. This is further explanation of my comment above.
If women were running countries and being the leaders, civilization wouldn’t be here any longer.
Note that the warring that went on with Native Americans was not fully caused by males. A lot of the tribes were matriarchal and had female elders advising and declaring war. Women can be just as violent as men.
Snap out of it and face nature. To follow these current ideologies of collectivism, confused sexuality, feminism, political correctness, moral turpitude, etc. is a sure recipe for extinction of the species.
If you are addressing me, I dunno why.
It seems to me feminism , egalitarianism, multiculturalism, and all that jazz, begins to fall apart when you address to it the simple question ;
What becomes of wages, benefits, contractual conditions , when the labor pool is doubled ? ( women are 50% of the population, and the idea that labor needs to be imported could just as well be an exercise in cooking the books , making the math say what the ruling class wants it to say. )
amb: “It is not a natural role for a woman to lead a company, country, etc.”
You’re confused. It’s neither natural nor unnatural for a man or a woman to lead a company, country, etc. All else being equal, those positions tend to go to either the most capable, those who are best at playing the game, or just to the ones who want it the most. Being male or female isn’t essential.
But all else is not equal, because what comes naturally for the male of the species is for men to want to dominate women. This can run the gamut from furtive, opportunistic date-rape all the way to Saudi Arabian culture and beyond, but broadly, that’s how the timber bends. Depending on the man or the society in question, if it goes unchecked this cast of mind comes to treat any woman with power on any scale, including control over her own life, as a threat and a target for control.
You’re the one who is confused L. Ron Hubbard (obviously your handle is a mockery of or slight against Scientologists). There is common sense to the roles of female bodies and male bodies. A sense that is not common to you.
Men do men’s work.
Women do women’s work.
You need to figure that out.
Natural?
Boy this neighborhood has gone down hill.
What many people mean when they say that it is not natural for women to lead is that men are physically stronger and should be allowed to subdue women and weaker men. It is simply an extension of survival of the fittest, and not much different from the practice of Islam. One of the basic tenets of our democracy is that it protects women and minorities from people who hold beliefs about what is natural based on nothing more than bigotry.
Having said that I’m an old white guy who thinks we’ve come a long way and who is worried that we are going to see a return (we are already seeing it) to a time when poorly educated and poorly civilized men believed that women had no leadership role in athletics, business, science, academics (except as elementary school teachers or nurses) or government. It is a short jump to a time when people could be property.
Greed, Amb. Greed. Savage Capitalism is leading to our extinction. All this other stuff is just distractions for the masses so that we don’t see the power grabs that are bringing about our demise. We love to blame the peculiarities of our changing race for everything–but Greed alone is the primary driver of our death.
“In pushing other species to extinction, humanity is sawing off the limb on which it perches.” Paul Ehrlich
“Ohh, please do humiliate us with your Gestapo apologia of how, somehow, putting a human being in a cage for reasons the guy in the funny costume must himself think are stupid, wrong, or culturally suicidal, ( ASSUMING he/she HAS a conscience, ASSUMING he/ she does not flatly refuse to think critically ) is really no big deal ”
Kesa, Kesa, Kesa…
You glorify politicians, lawyers, judges and political thinkers, and then decry, the system of penology we have in this country. Police do not write the laws, they do not interpret the laws, they merely enforce the laws. The “swells” you reference, the lawyers and judges, are the ones who wrote and defined the laws… put people in cages, or to death. In California, the law DEMANDS that the police make an arrest of a felon…no discretion whatsoever. The police work at the pleasure of the politicians, judges, and lawyers, in effect.
Kesa,
Regarding your blanket condemnation of one million law enforcement personnel in this country. How foolish is your position? Might as well do the same for blacks…white women chasing, watermelon eating, loose shoes wearing, rhythm having, chicken stealing, lazy being, etc. Your statement is every bit as ridiculous as that last sentence. You seem intelligent, and perhaps even educated…how can you pre-judge a million of ANY group? Your statement is unsupportable…and not arguable.
Permit me an observation…you seem “pricklish” in your responses…not lacking dudgeon….
Ad Hominem? Much grist for that mill….
QUIZ:
What long-winded commenter here does not understand the difference between eminent and imminent?
Let me guess, another one with no actual counter-argument ?
* correction, another short-winded one with no counter-argument ?
— who doesn’t bother to stir his ass beyond a one-liner because his point is so valid .
It was obvious a year and half or so – not long after the pres. campaigning started – that the Caitlin Jenner story and all it’s associated LGBT public restroom furor was going to be a “last straw” of sorts for the millions of middle-class refugees trying to get work or scratch out a living.
Media’s relentless coverage of transgender mania – lead stories for weeks and months on end had to play a role in people looking for a candidate who would say “enough is enough” – this was the not so great that they wanted to be made great again… at least they bought into that message… not to mention the very anti-male symbolism of the Bruce-to-Caitlin Jenner psycho-drama within the overall Kardashian swirl of gender bending.
Need I even mention ( ?? )
That if the cheap energy era is ending, and it’s back to ox carts,
the fantastic bureaucracy of police , with it’s 50,000 different duplications of effort in a different costume, battalions of police, DNA banks, background checks, and on and on, is something you are going to have to kiss goodbye anyway, if you aren’t going to starve to death to hold on to a dream of a power you never had anyway.
You might explain , among other things, why the resentful defense of one of those things sinking your boat?
Jim had an off day today gang. The blog felt tired and forced. I think everybody feels depleted right now. We’ve all had so much adrenaline pumped into our bloodstream for so many months…. let’s discuss pizza gate or sandyhook instead of the future POTUS and the neuromuscularly challenged rabid wolverine who thought she was gonna be it.
She’s pulled an Al Gore. He lost and grew a beard. She lost and came out without makeup – and it’s gory, the picture of Doreen Gray. She needs to drink more baby blood or something.
Poor Janos,
Joseph Goebbels
did not give him permission to say that.
Wrongo, poor Nazi.
Go to daddy Hitler and cry.
Our White and Chaos Magic was stronger than your Black Magic. Praise Kek, Odin, Hitler, and Christ.
Every blog entry comes with the obligatory statement concerning the financial tragedy… that just never comes.
Hey, this young Somali scholar who carved up a bunch of people at Ohio State this morning, and ran others down with his car, does anybody know, is he one of Imam Keith Ellison’s (DNC chief) minions, sent to the Midwest to bring white working class voters back into the Democratic fold? Praise Allah! If that s indeed the case I think he should employ some different tactics. Praise Allah! What works in Somali land amongst loin clothed tribesman will not necessarily work with undergrads at a giant Midwestern university like Ohio State. Praise Allah!
Praise Allah, the most merciful one!
brh
“Praise Allah, the most merciful one!”
…And his one True Prophet…Peace be unto him!
http://www.dailystormer.com/osu-terrorist-was-actually-a-good-boy-just-misunderstood-wip/
Black goes on a murderous rampage and is shot down by a White with a gun. The Eternal Order. As Mao said, the gun must never slip from our hand.
At 9:52 a.m. the driver got out of the car with a large knife and began attacking people. Police ordered the man to drop the knife. The man refused and, by 9:53 a.m., he had been shot and killed.
Praise Allah who protected the police! Praise Allah who got the police to the scene in less than one minute! Praise Allah who stopped the violent student! Allah does not like violence. Islam is a religion of peace.
Abdul Razak Ali Artan, who was a Logistics Management major in the College of Business, is not a Muslim… anymore than Dylan Roof, who killed nine in a Charleston church, is a Christian.
Christianity is a religion of love and Islam is a religion of peace. Together they have 3.8 BILLION adherents, over half the population of the world.
Neither religion is violent… we do not have 3.8 BILLION people committing acts of violence every day, do we Mr. Jones?
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/11/putting-somali-muslim-terror-attack-at.html
See my post of a day ago about the ‘burkini.’
” Malthuss,
I have to discount your Satanist/pedophile/cannibal/etc. meme. I saw this same crap 15 years ago…fundamentalist pastors beating the drums about Satanists…killing babies…no bodies because they had portable crematoria! Pedophiles all. I still have a ream of documents, sent out by our local SHERIFF’S OFFICE, outlining the secret crimes being committed, and LAW ENFORCEMENT’S suggested response.
I guess these rumors come around at odd intervals…like herpes. Only difference is herpes is real. ”
Here’s a shocker ( ? ) ;
Decent post . Agree 100%
( Couldn’t resist particularly emphasizing certain things though 😀 )
I was in community college 15 years ago , studying Corrections.
Guys with doctorates in Law Enforcement, up on the podium, laying out this CRAP with straight faces.
I remember it well.
Is the real conversation about sexism as elusive in our public lives as the real conversation about racism?
People are ready to pounce all over you for declaring your male pride…being ready and able to provide and take responsibility for making the hard decisions (i.e. old yeller, john wayne)….to lead.
According to this blog there will be a lot of hard decisions for men to make soon. Not making a decision is making a decision.
The “I’m with her” meme is sort of like picking players for your team in the schoolyard. This election has been referred to as a “game” that has to be won before the reality starts to set in….millions of dollars in endorsements from Fritos and Pepsi Cola…like it didn’t really take a lot of book learning to figure out how to gain one of the most powerful seats in the union. So now that he’s got it, does he really know what to do with it? Does a woman really know more about wielding power than a man does? I think not. I think women are emotionally driven personalities and that’s why they do not make the best generals or leaders.
Trump spent over an hour either listening or trying to communicate with Obama in his broken English. Would Obama have spent that long with Hillary? I think not and it’s not because they’re both seasoned orators with intimate knowledge of the establishment from which they sprout. It would have to be because the intimacies shared would eventually involve her husband and what HE would do being back in the white house. The concern about who would wear the pants in the white house family was completely ignored by the media because it was inferred that her husband obviously would still hold high influence and that’s okay because he used to be president once! She would have lots of help…being a woman….ya know?
I assume you don’t deny mass child abuse rings? And this is always Satanic or Child Sacrifice – even if not technically Satanism.
Janos: “I assume you don’t deny mass child abuse rings?”
That’s a tight little knot of presumption of guilt right there. Obviously there are pedophiles out there in the world, and one supposes it became a lot easier to Share and Enjoy child pornography after the Internet drove the cost of distribution down to basically zero.
But Satanic pedophile cults of the ’80s hysteria variety? Mostly fiction and moral panic. Watch Capturing the Friedmans attentively and you’ll come away with two conclusions. 1. The father Arnold Friedman was clearly guilty of possessing child pornography (i.e. there was physical evidence and everything). 2. His son Jesse was likely railroaded into confessing to further crimes that he didn’t commit, and that I would be never happened at all. That’s what a moral panic looks like.
Clinton endorsed killing children as they are about to be born. And harvesting their stem cells, even sending their heads thru the mail. Do you doubt any of that? And since that is true, anything is possible. Nothing is more satanic than that which we already know to be true.
People should understand that reading anything written by a leftist is subject. If any one of you praising Fidel or think of him as heroic must travel around Cuba to see and what I see is a Nation frozen in time. For 57 years Cuba has just existed. Go ahead and praise their medical service and you must be talking about the state of the art medical service reserved for the Cuban elite. The peasants have crummy open window hospitals and hole in the wall clinics. Even the elites better equipped hospitals still have the upper elite calling in Spanish doctors or going to Canada or Europe for care or operations. The citizens in general are in good shape as they eat a basic healthier diet and walk and do a lot of manual labor which keeps them healthier than many 1st world countries not their superior medical service
“If any one of you praising Fidel or think of him as heroic must travel around Cuba to see and what I see is a Nation frozen in time.”
Don’t “whitewash” the racial aspects of the Cuban revolution.
He sent all the racist white Cubans (with their stolen money) packing to Miami.
He wasn’t the first to do it, and probably won’t be the last.
Funny how that works that racist white people always eventually get taken down by one of their own.
Pizzagate — Because a whole society of adults building a massive parasitical edifice on the backs of children ; a byzantine and Kafkaesque ritual of hazing and winnowing , of memorizing often single sentences divorced of any context , for ten years, fifteen years,twenty or more years , and costing those children incalcuable sums long before they will remotely have any oppertunity to earn anything, based on the promise that you MIGHT get the 50k job — except that pakistan is now graduating those too , and why should they give you 50k when the Pakistani will do it for 15k — isn’t really screwing the hell out of 8 year olds.
Not to mention that just 50 years ago many of those SAME EXACT jobs were—gee– somehow — done by people who didn’t even have high school diploma’s , and that in quite possibly the richest , most powerful country that ever existed.
Sure, let’s talk about screwing kids.
Yes, schools exist to break the human spirit first and foremost. After that, they exist to indoctrinate and of course, as baby sitting operations for wayward mothers. Most students shouldn’t bother going beyond 8th grade since they have no curiousity whatsoever – and that’s existential. That’s the way it would be even if the schools were great. Learning to read and basic math is about all that such people really need. Give them more and you are just fucking with their commonsense – and that is why they do it.
Only a fool would let his enemies train his children. Malcolm X
MALCOLM EX LAX
Men have been waking up for some time now. I recommend the Rational Male blog, starting with the best of year One posts. The subreddit /r/theredpill also has some good discussion.
what’s this Pizzagate all about?
what came out about Podesta a few years ago, during his divorce, is the swanky houses and apts. he owned all over the world, as well as an art collection that rivals some museums. It seems he’s done quite well for himself. Good for him, this behind the scenes man of the people.
Was he on that billionaire convicted pedophiles private plane with Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew, headed for a private Caribbean Island full of kids? Did he really have anything to do with the little British girl who disappeared in Portugal a while ago? Its all pretty shadowy. Is there any real evidence for any of this?
brh
brh…. I honestly don’t know what pizzagate will lead to. I was horrified when the news broke at Sandy Hook and really didn’t want to deal with it at the time. It was too painful as a father and grandfather. However, after reviewing lots and lots of articles, photos and videos I have come to the conclusion that it was a staged event. That disturbed me in a completely different way. So, as far as pizzagate is concerned I can only say ” never say never about anything.” The Kennedy assassinations were inside jobs, the three towers were detonated on 9-11 and truth is just as strange as fiction.
You’re falling behind. Perhaps you don’t want to know? But could it really be any worse than turning Europe over to Islam and English girls over to Paki rape gangs? A lot of people can’t even accept the reality of that.
http://www.dailystormer.com/pizzagate-andrew-breitbart-called-out-john-podesta-as-a-child-trafficker/
And again, how does the owner of a pizza joint become one of the movers and shakers in Washingon DC? Same way Jimmy Saville did: he procures children for the Cult.
Breitbart may have payed with his life. Let’s make it mean something.
Pizzacraze is an absolute pile of horse manure, and I am not allergic to conspiracy theories like JHK. This one, however, is nothing but a web of suspicion and innuendo. A groupthink witch hunt based on taking innocuous things and interpreting them in the most exaggeratedly sinister way possible.
Please, watch this video, and try to activate your logical critical thinking faculties of your mind. Try to think like a real investigator, and not like someone trying to guess the plot twist in a disturbing movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OrX0U4qwTM
Spacecase: “Try to activate your logical critical thinking faculties of your mind.”
Your intentions are honourable, but you don’t know Janos very well, do you?
Good one……”only Bernie Sanders came close to honorable manhood”.
At an appearance in Seattle, two obese negresses rushed the stage, pushed manly Bernie aside, and took over the microphone….lecturing the audience as to the many virtues of one Mikie Brown, an innocent kindly youth recently offed by a cop without provocation. Manly Bernie stood there with that stupid chagrined look of a masochist taking a whipping he knows he deserves. When asked about this yielding of the stage at his own event, manly Bernie replied that he had been the guilty beneficiary of “white privilege” for many years….whatta manly man! Admittedly the two obese afros were very scary specimens…..but to just lay down and spread the legs? Later, manly honorable Bernie endorsed the old crone with the urine bag in return for a lucrative book deal….the proceeds of which went to a third home…waterfront no less.
What is Jill Stein up to? I know one thing – since all the votes were counted in Vermont, The Green Party is on the ballot next time, so I won’t have to go out with a clip board and petition to solicit signatures to get them on. I’m not a dem, or repub. haven’t been since 1980.
I just have to ask, how’s that Two Party System working out for you, America?
I think a lot of people forget that Trump wasn’t really the Republican candidate. He was the third party choice. The GOP voted or schlepped themselves out of being an active opposition party during W’s years, and finally gave up when Obama came in. What Trump has done in effect is a corporate buy-out. He came into a firm going belly-up and rejuvenated it. Of course, a lot of its managers don’t want to be rejuvenated, but most managers anywhere don’t want to be.
Trump, whatever most of you think, did represent a sizable percentage of the country who feel things must change. Will they?
A lot of people see the cabinet choices (Romney? Really?), but we have to remember there is no Trump party (unlike a Trump Tower, Casino, etc.). He has to use the GOP for the basic posts, and this is a risky time for him. Like the Scottish chiefs in Braveheart, they’re capable of riding away if the enemy offers a better deal.
So we’ll see.
Also, I want to plug a book of mine. It is The Saint Louisans, published in August by Amphorae Press. It deals with a nurse who lives in the above city, and is a story of queens, angels, and being buried in the wrong place. My story has a lot of humor, and since Ferguson and the Rams leaving, St. Louis needs a good novel. It crosses lines of left and right, and a lot of JHK is in the book, especially as the plot deals with urban planning and restoration in addition to my heroine thinking the Mississippi is not Old Man River, but a woman’s river.
I hope this isn’t breaking protocol on this site, but it’s a fun read,
and tells you about a world.
Hey Meargen I see that book of yours got some pretty good reviews. Its going on my list.
You ‘searching for Jesse’, is that a screenplay? a novel? would it be about another Missourian, Jesse James?
brh
There is a Policeman in California who made almost HALF A MILLION IN SALARY LAST YEAR.
Thats a lot of overtime.
He is not the ‘Chief’, the chief is a woman.
“It’s her, Buck. Don’t give her your information. The B in Bwa gives her away”–Janos
But doesn’t the romantic part of Janos want to wonder otherwise?
“C” as in Cactus as in:
I like the way sparkling earrings lay
Against your skin so brown
And I want to sleep with you in the desert night
With a million stars all around.
I don’t know about you, but I’m thinking we better learn how to enjoy life a little bit.
Most women are more thorny than horny. If only we could get rid of the t – too much testosterone. I had a mystical experience when two beautiful Mormon missionaries got on the bus last summer – straight of the 1950’s. Stepford Wife material. I felt a cool breeze even though it was a very hot day. Knowledge rushed in on the breeze: this is what they’re supposed to be. Only like this can they be harbors for our restless spirits. Another yang can’t soothe us or cool our heat. Only a yin who stays at home can do so. Going out to work destroys all inner femininity for the most part, at least in today’s world.
No one should have to go out to work.
I don’t disagree in general. Many years ago I visited a lady friend who just had a baby and was on maternity leave. She was sitting in a chair with her newborn son and she then started crying. I asked her what was wrong, and she said in the most melancholy voice imaginable that ‘the days just pass by so quickly and soon she would have to return to work’.
Dropping an infant off at a day care center is an incredibly traumatic experience, or so I imagine. And it no doubt strips away at least a fraction of one’s “inner femininity.” Especially when amplified by the stress of the workplace and innumerable cups of coffee/caffeine. But we shouldn’t circumscribe this tragedy from the greater economic environment that basically relegates those seeking to attain or remain middle class into two- parent working families: Not all women working are doing so for “feminist” reasons.
But it’s not just women. Men too, don emotional armor, becoming harder and harder in their attempt to remain impenetrable and impervious to life’s inevitable surprises and mischief. It seems to me, that the harder we become, the easier we break, like a dry fall twig snapping under the least amount of pressure.
You once wrote that ‘men are the true romantics, the true lovers’. But those type of men are rare because they need to become emotionally naked, crying tears that saturate their armor of hardness, thus enabling pliability of outlook and choice.
(From a physics standpoint –as if I know anything about physics– greater power is achieved when force is applied over a greater distance/time which metaphorically corresponds to having “flexibility” and room to “congeal” into single point of power. As opposed to the already taut and tensed where no great time/distance is available ‘to pull the bow’ in order ‘to release the arrow’. That’s why, if I have read history correctly, more diverse and free societies ultimately arrive at the “unification” point more powerfully; as opposed to societies already constrained and limited but still poised to strike. One has more distance/time in order to develop power for “the congealing” moment of release. Or to roughly paraphrase from “Shogun” , ‘the five fingers are independent until they form a fist’. Repressive regimes, and their analogues, repressed people, tend to operate with their hand in a fist at all moments and times, metaphorically speaking.)
There’s a big difference between the truly masculine/yang trait of ‘unbending determination” and that of a stiff and ossified posturing. Unfortunately, too many confuse the latter for the former. The former is strong and unbending because they arrive at that state via myriad possibility; the latter, stiff and brittle because they exist in a constrained myopic tunnel.
But then again, just my opinion/observation; certainly not a declaration of truth. After all, everyone figures out how to get by/cope in their own unique way.
“It seems to me, that the harder we become, the easier we break, like a dry fall twig snapping under the least amount of pressure.”
I like that. I mean, it’s awful, but well said.
Think about it; it wasn’t until the industrial revolution that people had to leave the home to “work”. Even storekeepers usually lived behind or above their stores.
Janos: “[S]traight of the 1950’s. Stepford Wife material. I felt a cool breeze even though it was a very hot day.”
Janos makes no secret of the fact that he conflates feminine virtue with submissiveness, and it’s especially clear here that he expects women not only to submit but to advertise their submission to male expectations.
For those who condemn Islam, keep in mind that this is exactly the mentality behind the Muslim veil. It’s not a comparison, it’s an identity — they are one and the same.
Yeah Elrond, men and women should be exactly the same, right? Just different genitals. So straight sex is just gay sex with a woman. So it doesn’t matter – all just polymorphous perversity, a return to the primal ooze. If you could just get rid of your skeleton, then you’d have a really good time….
It’s not that everyone is or should be the same. That’s a lazy and tired caricature. It’s that there should be one standard that applies to anyone. People will be just what they are, no more no less, and the world will get along just fine — much better, in fact, than if rigidly enforced social roles prevent people from doing what they’re good at.
For a real-world example, there’s a cliché that “girls are bad at math”. That would come as a surprise to a friend of mine who runs her own business as a math tutor. If we followed your plan, there would be a lot more people having problems with math and the world would be that much the poorer for it, but at least there would be one more Stepford wife.
Eagles??? Bleah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WJqKWqUHQ
You’re staring at the finger pointing at the moon, Grasshopper…and not seeing the moon!
I’ll never forget it, we spent all day sailing on a lake and at the end of the day when she freshened up, her skin was tan and brown against a deep purple blouse..and yes, she was wearing sparkling earrings.
“there was the time I was in a paint from a live nude model setting” Buck
From her subsequent actions, it doesn’t seem likely that the woman of the easel was expressing an attraction towards you, albeit in her own awkward way. But who knows?
Was the model male or female? Not that it really matters, it just makes me think of the wide range of psychic and sexual undercurrents that could exist, even in a professional setting.
What was her mood, what were her hopes, her dreams? Did she see herself, her art, her life falling flat like the easel? What was it all about? Simply about a nut cracking female? Check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSfxl1KI6y8
Wisconsin Vote Recount – cui prodest?
On November 13-14, held in Washington, DC at the Mandarin Oriental Club the closed conference of Clinton sponsors – the Democratic Alliance (DA) headed by George Soros – raised the question of no longer contesting the elections.
The main topic of discussion has been the discrediting of the future first 100 days of Trump presidency. The nature of the conversation testified that Clinton’s efforts to turn the electors are not successful, despite the organized riots in some states. DA President Gara LaMarche urged supporters to concentrate on the future works: “You have not lost the election, you should’ve won them.”
He stressed that further work “must be without reproach, and finger-pointing, regardless of the frustration and anger that we all feel… Now we do not hurry, ready to confront Trump administration.”
At a first glance, the team Clinton needs recount. But she had already given up the fight, the more so that Obama himself acknowledged Trump’s victory. But for the new American President, victory consolidation is necessary. His plans to reform America require much wider mandate. And officially, Clinton still has a margin of 2 million votes of the popular vote. A draw.
To expose to ridicule the arguments of Hillary’s Democrats and neocons regarding Russian cyber attack during the election, to do this is in the former “red” states and under the false flag – this would be a fighter ace move of a businessman, who came into politics. Winning the vote recount would significantly strengthen his position.
correction: “former red states” should read as “former blue states”
The fact that eludes the ego is that Women don’t need men, full stop.
lol, yes that is the smug delusion of recent decades.
keep saying it to comfort yourself.
and don’t call men to put out that fire or otherwise protect you.
“Don’t call men to put out that fire.”
Lol… I won’t … I will call our volunteer fire department.
Women have served as chiefs of volunteer fire departments since at least the 1930’s. There are more than 150 female volunteer fire chiefs active in the U.S. at any given time, fodase. There is nothing inherent in a fire that women cannot handle. Same goes for protecting us in police or combat situations.
Tulsi Gabbard for President 2020
(She is a combat war veteran of Iraq war)
Women can do a lot of the things men can do; but the key is women are not as durable as men.
Even Serena Williams would fall apart if she had to walk around all day in a helmet and flak jacket in Iraq.
Women are unreliable and they know it.
True, but if we keep pumping out guns, we’ll all need a helmet and a flak jacket for a trip to the grocery store. Anyone for an armored car?
“I have an open mind on this, but I have seen this claim before, and it was a non-event…around 2005.”
Justice is hard to obtain when the psychos are running the asylum, but things are changing.
http://sgtreport.com/2016/11/pizzagate-is-global-click-read-more-for-the-latest/#more-489459
There is nothing inherent in a fire that women cannot handle. Same goes for protecting us in police or combat situations.
Right there’s the key to your illusions….
Tellingly, you state that there are women fire chiefs…not fire fighters, since even you know women can’t lift the hose and go in and pull out people.
They don’t have the strength. Of course you know that. All women inherently know this.
Sure, they can point a hose and let it spray (sounds goood to me!), but their performance is equivalent to a women’s nba team, except that lives will be lost because of their inability.
women in combat and most policing situations….good grief
Like Mark Twain says, common sense ain’t all too common.
The FDNY for the first time in its history will allow someone who failed its crucial physical fitness test to join the Bravest, The Post has learned.
Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job-related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed.
“They’re going to allow the first person to graduate without passing because this administration has lowered the standard,” said the insider, who is familiar with the training.
Upon graduation, Wax would be assigned to a firehouse and tasked with the full duties of a firefighter.
Some FDNY members are angry.
“We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified,” the source said. “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.”
Yep – people will die, but the janets of the world will be joyous to know their myth is safe, and that women don’t need men
…until something goes wrong, of course
AA has been with us for 50 years.
Great and infernal truthiness,
Geez, you say my post is confused? See, I thought it was pretty straight-forward. Maybe if you have some time you can give me some pointers on composition.
“Women tend toward flattening such hierarchical systems”. This made me laugh out loud. Maybe you were the high-school loner and the work-place outsider, you know, the type that doesn’t mix much.
No, Great and Infernal, IMO you’re dead, dead, dead wrong on that count, women are organizers and maintainers of societal hierarchies, STEEP hierarchies, with “nastiness” (for lack of a better term) the tool used against those they see as inferiors, with scheming and maneuvering towards cliques they want to be a part of. I’ve seen it up close too many times and in too many places and is as true on the job as in any school. My wife is an “alpha” (again for lack of a better term) and a natural at it, and I just marvel at her skill.
While we’re talking sloppy over-generalizations, your “men are pathetic” and “Total Losers” spiel gave me a stab of amusement. Now, this website is no refuge for the politically correct, but imagine putting the term “black” in front of the word “men”. I’m not going to belabor this point.
There is no vacuum? This lady does protest too much. “There is no force”? This was a knee-slapper, again, dead wrong, there are many forces, economic forces and societal also. Just ask black people if this isn’t true. Maybe you missed the national conversation of the last oh, century or so. And just ask black people about forces that sucked black men out of families and out of the lives of their kids especially in the last fifty years or so.
And biological forces too: women are wired to not want men around that aren’t providers. Don’t say it ain’t so, I’ve seen it too many times, the unemployed fella being told by his wife to hit the road Jack. There’s nothing so destructive to domestic harmony as a non-earning male. As the gals say it, no romance without finance. House husbands not wanted, hunters bearing slabs of meat and hide MOST welcome.
I could go on, but frankly, there’s not enough time. We could delve into how personal experience influences perceptions. For my part, my dad and grandfathers weren’t trailer-dwelling pussy-grabbers, rather, they were good and honorable men who looked after us.
Ok well, I think the advice I’d give is the advice I try to follow myself: 99% of life isn’t complicated so simply try to see what’s right under your nose. Yeah, yeah, “mansplaining”. Have it your way.
The American elections drama is going deeper and deeper
And for me personally, to the fore comes a mystical component of Jill Stein tragedy, who, knowing perfectly well who Hillary Clinton is, for a certain number of millions initiated a recount, which theoretically could lead to Bastinda reign in the White House.
And correspondents are already openly discussing how many pieces of silver she won from Hillary Clinton for initiating a recount.
And on U-tube to first place in the popularity came the clip, in which Jill Stein says that Hillary, as president, will start a nuclear war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OGPuqLe3mg
And seeing how she almost cries answering Kennedy’s questions, apparently just now realizing the deep shit she has gotten herself into, it makes me understand how Nixon signed the paper asking for resignation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTixkufsGUc
It seems to me Jill Stein is exercising rights that most of her contingent don’t feel safe enough to perform themselves for fear of retribution.
It’s always been necessary for well educated public figures to lead civil disobedience…a non-violent challenge to authority…like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks. With people like her around, it’s more safe to elect someone like Trump.
Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t always mean you should do it; thus, it’s the exercise of a right that is the focus for her…even if it takes a ton of other people’s money to follow through.
This is all part of a grander illusion that anything goes and nothing matters. For instance, couldn’t all that media attention and financial support gone to something else more worthwhile and effective in the long run? Instead, it just serves men like Trump.
So, silver had nothing to do with it?
And, BTW, you have elected a scientifically illiterate, bigoted ignoramus. – GreenAlba
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I doubt Sean voted in the US election. He’s a citizen of Ireland.
CNN is being disciplined for their election coverage, but even more so for not delivering the goodies to Hillary
Did CNN Actually Air 30 Minutes of Porn on Thanksgiving?
https://quintype-01.imgix.net/thequint%2F2016-11%2F61190ade-701a-40f2-98e5-5c751e3b82d4%2Fsolikearose%20screenshot.JPG?auto=format&q=60&w=672&fm=pjpg
https://www.thequint.com/world/2016/11/25/cnn-accidentally-aired-30-minutes-of-porn-on-thanksgiving-rcn-transsexual-riley-quinn-anthony-bourdain-unknown-parts
It gets even better!
The folks at CNN received waves of criticism on Monday night after running a chyron with the phrase, “If Jews Are People?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/cnn-slammed-for-running-if-jews-are-people-headline-a7432146.html
She has a good mind, and she also has four young children, while trying to pursue a career–full-time–in one of the most challenging of professional fields.
The “reasonable accommodations” we have to make for my co-worker are not reasonable at all, and are a burden to all involved. Neither is her working full-time fair to her children. She is trying to be Super Woman. It is not working.
The following modest proposal is something I would like to see have the force of law. The principal care giver (PCG) could be either the husband or the wife, but usually would be the wife. For that reason, I am using the feminine pronouns.
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1. Following the birth of her first child, the PCG must reduce her work hours to 3/4 time, which is to continue until that child is six years old, after which she may return to full time employment.
2. Following the birth of the second child, the PCG must reduce her work hours to 1/2 time, until the younger child is six years old.
3. Following the birth of the third child, the PCG must reduce her work hours to 1/4 time, until the youngest child is six years old.
4. Following the birth of the fourth child, and any further children, the PCG must reduce her work hours to zero, until the youngest child shall reach the age of six years.
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Yes, this is linear, male thinking. Too bad about that. After all, male thinking deserves credit for the computer this is being written on, as well as for most other technical and scientific advancements.
I was a wreck when I went back to work after my first child. My baby didn’t sleep through the night, and because I was nursing, my husband was useless. (That and he has the ability to sleep through a train wreck.)
I had full confidence in our nanny, but just thinking about the baby caused me to leak milk. Not cool.
Jen in San Jose
Create social norms that return us to normal: Young women marrying young and having children young – you know, when they’re healthy, strong, beautiful and unlikely to have babies with birth defects. And when they’re still able to attract men who might be interested in marrying them.
Careers? Afterwards. After the children no longer need them every minute. And for really gifted women: tax credits for having more than two. Positive eugenics. And yes, put pressure on companies to hire women who have done their most basic and important duty to society.
Everything we are doing now – do the opposite. And hear the screams and howls of the spinster and lesbian damned: how dare you condition young women! As if we aren’t already – to maximize their unhappiness, sterility, social dysfunction, and male unhappiness as well. No one will be forced to do anything. But the wise know how closely women follow social mores. Why not use that for the good of all? And marriage and family top the list of greatest satisfactions for the ordinary woman – especially children, far more than having a husband for most. But you need him to do it right. And that’s fine: men are using women in the same way. The human use of human beings.
Back Row Heckler: Thanks, I think you’ll enjoy the book, especially where a city planner compares St. Louis neighborhoods to a pizza.
There is a JHK inspired character.
Searching for Jesse is a short story I wrote, and turned it into a screenplay which was a finalist in the 2014 Missouri Stories screenwriting contest, earning me a fellowship with mentors like Bob Gale (Back to the Future) and Phillip LeZebnick (Mulan). It’s a Murphy’s Romance kind of story of Penny, a waspish librarian, who meets Curtis, a navy vet. It takes place in Columbia, Mo, and I was inspired when I worked in the State Historical Society. People were always coming to do genealogy research. The two biggest historical figures they wanted to be related to were Thomas Jefferson and Jesse James.
Right now there are no takers. Everyone in the industry seems to want zombie films or drugs and guns. It’s low-key, and has lots of Mizzou backgrounds.
We need novels and movies about young White Men facing Politically Correct persecution, from Liberals, Feminists, and of suffers terror from minorities as well. The hapless young White Man grows and overcomes – the Hero with a Thousand Faces as Campbell put it.
“male thinking deserves credit for the computer this is being written on, as well as for most other technical and scientific advancements.” –sprawlcapital
Actually, the computer you are writing on probably uses an English-language programming language, not binary code. The reason you can read it is because a woman, Navy Rear Admiral Grace Hopper, invented English-language programming languages.
The computer you are using now probably uses algorithms. The first algorithm was written by a woman, Ada Lovelace, for use on Charles Babbage’s Analytical Engine in 1843.
If the device or computer you are using now has a small screen, you need to thank another woman, Mary Lou Jepsen, who co-founded and served as the chief technology officer of MicroDisplay in 1995, where worked on creating small screens. She later ran the display division at Intel.
Of course, you are transmitting your writing over the Internet, so you have another woman to thank, network engineer Radia Perlman, who helped make Ethernet technology a household name. Her Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) made it possible to build massive networks using Ethernet by creating a mesh network of layer-2 bridges and then disabling the links that aren’t part of that tree. This networking innovation had a significant impact on network switches, which has led some to call Perlman the Mother of the Internet.
The applications you are using on your computer are indebted to Barbara Liskov, who invented CLU, a programming language that helped lay the foundation for object-oriented programming; Argus, a programming language, largely an extension of CLU, that supports distributed programs; and Thor, an object-oriented database system.
These advances in object-oriented programming have contributed to the wealth of many modern OOP-based languages and operating systems, such as Mac OS X, Objective-C, Visual Basic.NET and Java.
Men are so quick to take credit for inventions and technical and scientific advancements, ignoring that women can think just as linearly as men, that women have contributed to technologies necessary for you to even have a computer, a computer running programs, a computer using algorithms, a computer connected to an internet. For your computer thank women like Grace Hopper, Ada Lovelace, Mary Lou Jepsen, Barbara Liskov, and many other women scientists and inventors.
What we need is the Rediscovery of Women and their role in science and technology.
Yes, I should have just stated the four rules for women with children working outside the home, and left it at that. I know you agree they are brilliant!
Actually, I like your first rule about the birth of a first child. I do not like rules 2, 3, or 4 because the planet should not be subjected to families with 2 or more children, regardless of who is doing the child raising.
The options for children should be 0 or 1 (not to be too binary about it!) but by all means stop at 1.
Mother earth’s carrying capacity is already stretched by our current population, and we also need to take care of the children already here. When everyone here is taken care of, and when the earth’s population goes back to about 2 billion, then we can have families with two children.
The woman in question already has four children, and, as you might have guessed, she belongs to the Catholic Church.
As I have stated before, the Church ought to make artificial contraception their eighth sacrament.
I’m new here so I didn’t know what you said about contraception.
I agree that church teachings on contraception are harming the planet’s chances of survival.
Trump is choosing billionaires and ex-Goldman Sachs executives for his cabinet. For Secretary of Treasury Trump has chosen a second-generation Goldman Sachs partner who worked for George Soros before starting a hedge fund and buying IndyMac, a failing California bank that made billions while foreclosing on homeowners after the financial crisis.
So far it looks like the swamp is winning. Meet the new corrupt cabinet, just as Goldman Sachs and just as corrupt as the old cabinet.
And the guy Trump chose for Health and Human Services! Look out veterans! By picking Tom Price, Trump seems to indicate he is on a rampage against entitlement programs like TRICARE, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.
TRICARE’s benefits are established by law, and so TRICARE is an entitlement program, and not insurance. All entitlement programs are at risk. The new swamp is dangerous, but I imagine so are pissed-off veterans. Good luck everyone!
Donald Trump has chosen Elaine Chao, the former labor secretary and wife of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, to be his choice for transportation secretary.
Trump’s cabinet is looking good. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, LBGT… Trump’s cabinet represents all Americans. It’s going to be a great Cabinet photo with all those races, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.
But what do you expect from a New York liberal… a liberal who used to be a Democrat… a liberal who invited Hillary Clinton to his third wedding.
“What we need is the Rediscovery of Women and their role in science and technology.”
hey Janet,
I hear what you’re sayin; but you keep leavin out the truth because its black and ugly.
Listen sweety,
You don’t own anything unless you can keep it.
And in this world keeping something means having the will and ability to kill people and break stuff.
Thats why you women are attracted to violent men.
Get over it.
“It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.”
..Epictetus
. “It’s going to be a great Cabinet photo with all those races, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.”
Ive seen this movie before; its called “diverse faces in high places”
but when he starts banning Muslims, deporting illegals and bitch slapping Black Lies Matter… these people ain’t gonna do sh*t for fear of hearing two words:
“you’re fired”
The war on men and in most cases white men really got going full speed under Bill Clinton when he formed his minority and lgbtq voting blocks.Demonizing the White man has got him and his wife billions of dollars. Obama carried the ball to a new level and instead of supporting his voting block he actually came out as a white race hater and anti USA and flaunted it to his enjoyment. Meanwhile he thru the bock some bones like gay marriage, open immigration, and so called affordable healthcare.All of his shenanigans have cost us all 10 trillion.
Was it worth it Libtards?
” The fact that eludes the ego is that Women don’t need men, full stop. ” — Janet
Ok…..
The fact that eludes the ego is that men don’t need women, full stop.
The fact that eludes the ego is that whites don’t need blacks, full stop.
The fact that eludes the ego is that blacks don’t need whites, full stop.
The fact that eludes the ego is that the Magic Mojo Master Race doesn’t need ditch-diggers who can pay their grocery bills, full stop
If the above is true then ;
” What we need is the Rediscovery of Women and their role in science and technology. ” — Janet
How and why would this be relevant ?
Of what matter your resume, your competence, or lack thereof ?
You said it yourself ; I don’t need you.
Proceed this way to the gas chamber number B 56743289 .
— And thanks for giving me that permission.
” You don’t own anything unless you can keep it.” — thwack.
And you should listen to your own advice super warrior.
” And in this world keeping something means having the will and ability to kill people and break stuff. ”
well, yes, and you would rule invincibly for a day. But then, unfortunately, simply because you don’t have tits, your heirs would starve to death, to be replaced by the merest monkeys , whose only virtue was they respected the common sense necessity of a set of tits.
My genuine opinion ; the Nazis had better gear, better officers, and dare I say, better leaders.
Until that famous curb-stomping, America’s greatest claim to fame was ………its animal husbandry , haberdashers and plumbers.
*Yawn*
Yawn ? No, that’s why they won .
“Greatness” doesn’t amount to Shiite .
Social Darwinism bestrides the world today in both leftist and rightist guises.
” As I have stated before, the Church ought to make artificial contraception their eighth sacrament ”
I’m guessing that would suite your tastes and likes.
But as Peter Kreeft said once,
For 300 years Islam tried, unsuccessfully , to conquer Europe by force of arms. Today it is successfully doing so — by force of mothers. ”
My guess is the Church isn’t quite as stupid as you would wish it to be.
Gee, what’s all that business about technological, organizational, and logistical over-reach , and diminishing returns , that Kunstler keeps mentioning, if in passing ?
” Mother earth’s carrying capacity is already stretched by our current population, and we also need to take care of the children already here. When everyone here is taken care of, and when the earth’s population goes back to about 2 billion, then we can have families with two children. ”
Gee, sounds nice —
— EXCEPT that would require totalitarian controls. No ? Uh huh, and I’m Cleopatra.
On the other hand though, yes, 20 years worth of sociological studies do strongly suggest that totalitarianism serves that purpose very well , and not , surprisingly ( ? ) , primarily via war.
But neither through peachy keen Lebensborn-type schemes either.
For some reason one of my duller enthusiasms is a keen interest in physical plants, landscape lay outs, the quality and functionality of buildings , that sort of thing.
Anyway, while the location left much to be desired — I dislike flat terrain pine forests — the physical plant, the buildings, the whole general lay-out and such, of Treblinka, was absolutely lovely.
You just have to ignore …. umm…. the other parts. ^-^
Like the elephant being ignored here.
I like Kreeft too. As he points out: nothing shows or proves our fallen nature more than our inability to bear prosperity without becoming degenerate, crazy, and/or evil.
Thus all human plans must take into account our fallen nature. I always get the impression you are not doing this, but rather playing the part of a Pythoness or Prophetess, or perhaps a Cassandra – raging in fury at men, in both senses of the word, for their folly rather than giving any solutions. Once this is understood, you are useful. You don’t have these answers for the most part. Men, in the masculine sense, do, or at least might. Thus the Sioux Pipeline must be built. The Wise Women, both female and so called male, are pious fools at best and Soros plants at worst. The timing is hardly accidental after all.
http://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/hardcore-anti-obamacare-figure-price-appointed-head-of-health-and-human-services/67856
Run ye Devils and She Devils; ye Sons of Iniquity, ye Daughters of Chaos, ye Spawn of Hell. Run while ye still can. Cuz Trump’s a comin’ with a hangin’ judge and a posse of deplorables a millyun stronge. MOON spells millyun. Yea the moon itself will hide its face from the deeds that they shall do, needs do, must do as what needs be must be. MOON spells Run.
I……..can’t say I disagree.
Especially given, to paraphrase Kunstler ( ? ) I’m leery of the very term, ” solutions”.
My ” solutions ” are mere rules of thumb at best ;
— Start with original sin, and you can’t go wrong. The whole God business, as far as that goes, is rather beside the point. I don’t give a shit what you BELIEVE.
It’s an absolutely solid idea, exclusive of the rest. .
— ideas that survived incredible cataclysms and colossal failures and huge spans of time are probably NOT the product of ignorant, backward yahoos.
Grand daddy probably was a jerk , or worse. But just because he didn’t have running water didn’t necessarily mean he was simple.
— ( As I just said ) Greatness doesn’t amount to shiite .
— Likes and dislikes make for lousy judgment , judge people based on what they do or don’t do, not anything they say , or their public window-dressing.
And so on.
By the way, the previous post was a bit dramatic and hyperbolic, in that , of course, if Kunstler is right ;
In the future neither totalitarianism, population control , feminism, or the results of these elections, are going to be issues anyway.
“In the future neither totalitarianism, population control , feminism, or the results of these elections, are going to be issues anyway.” –KesaAnna
“In the future” we are all dead.
Another rule of thumb ; Never argue with someone who is agreeing with you and serving your purposes.
So I won’t. ^-^
If, by chance, that was not your intent, no matter . There wasn’t enough information there to conclude anything, except whatever one wants to conclude from it , so I will. ^^
In Buddhist Philosophy, the mind is often considered one of the senses. In more learned and detailed terms, the ruler or organizer of the senses – and that Western Psychology can agree with. And what you are able to do is See – and that’s something that can’t be bought or taught. All one can do is point – and hope the person is able to look and willing to do so. Because if they won’t look, they can’t “see”. Such pointing is the prophetic function in a nutshell.
Thus brilliant people can’t see Black criminality, whereas you can. Just as you can simply “see” that bringing in a hundred million Non-European immigrants is madness for all kinds of reasons. Why can’t others see? They won’t let themselves for all kind of ideological and self interested reasons, such as financial, relational or personal, fear, boredom, too busy and don’t want to feel guilty so they pretend it’s not happening, and so forth.
Anyone can do the following for themselves: draw two small dots on a piece of blank paper a few inches apart, and hold the paper out at arm’s length. Close one eye and with the other, look at one of the dots. Get everything lined up correctly and the other dot will disappear from view. It doesn’t cease to exist; the eye’s retina has a blind spot, and our brains automatically fill in that part of our field of view. This way, we see a picture of the world that makes sense to us. That doesn’t make the picture accurate. The object in our blind spot is still real.
Being a fascist, Janos’ world view is based on his aesthetic preferences, not empirical fact. He’ll never see his vision of the world achieved as long as there are objective verifiable facts holding sway that might contradict it. Likewise, when Janos talks about “Seeing” with a capital “S”, he means the way that he prefers to believe his own biases rather than what actual investigation reveals. Don’t let him seduce you into joining him. Science and impartial inquiry are not on his side.
So extraordinary Black criminality isn’t an empirical fact? Do you even know what the word empirical means? The word “fact”? Or is your “science” just a bunch of five year plans where you steal iron ploughshares from peasant families in order to meet quotas?
And you think brining in millions of Non-Whites is good for our society? Justify it. And no, good for your class of government bureaucrats isn’t justification. We have the right to continue to exist as we are. Any attempt to change that is genocide as per the definition of the word.
Janos: “So extraordinary Black criminality isn’t an empirical fact?”
That’s correct. It’s your prejudice.
Janos: “Do you even know what the word empirical means?”
Link.
Janos: “Is your ‘science’ just a bunch of five year plans where you steal iron ploughshares from peasant families in order to meet quotas?”
No it isn’t, because science and technocracy are not one and the same. If you’ve ever flown in an airplane, thank science, because that (plus fossil fuels) is what made it possible. And if the plane you were in got shot down by a missile, you could thank science then too. Science doesn’t really do good or bad, only true or false. That’s enormously valuable, but it demands simple intellectual integrity of a kind you reject. You prefer your bigotries.
Janos: “And you think brining in millions of Non-Whites is good for our society? Justify it. And no, good for your class of government bureaucrats isn’t justification.”
My class of what? This is what I mean about your bigotries. Not just your loudly trumpeted race hatred, but the ghosts and phantoms inside your head that you insist are real. Seriously, Janos. Seriously. Who do you think I am? What do I do for a living? I’m not a straw man, I’m a flesh and blood person. I’d honestly like to know what image of me you have in your head that once led you to call me “commissar type”.
“Who do you think I am? What do I do for a living? I’m not a straw man, I’m a flesh and blood person. I’d honestly like to know what image of me you have in your head that once led you to call me “commissar type”.”
Elrond,
Why the guessing game…why not tell us what you do for a living that allows your perspective to be so different than ours? How can you deny “extraordinary black criminality”? There are many reasons why Blacks in our country run afoul of our laws…,what with their corrosive ghetto culture, drugs, matriarchal upbringing, relative poverty and unreasoning hatred of the white race.
I would expect that, for you to be so dismissive of reality, you live and work in a bubble…good for you, we would all like to… but denying or excusing bad behavior denies realpolitik, direct observation, and critical thinking and is a common error amongst those who are well educated, but ignorant of the real issues. Is it possible you dismiss reality for the cheap, and obvious excuses… A Canadian “thang” being once removed from the problem? We, also, are educated, observant flesh and blood, and we do not prefer bigotry, but rather truth from direct observation.
elysianfield: “Why the guessing game…why not tell us what you do for a living that allows your perspective to be so different than ours?”
I’m not hiding anything. Opinions are like arseholes: everyone’s got one, and I’m no different. The truth about me is totally anticlimactic, and I’ll share it freely if anyone truly wants to know. But first I actually want to know what Janos’ own idea of me is, in and of itself. Because if I volunteer information about myself and ask for his response, he won’t respond informatively — he’ll come back with some eruption or other that’s supposed to show why he’s right and I’m wrong and evil, and no one will learn anything.
elysianfield: “How can you deny ‘extraordinary black criminality’? There are many reasons why Blacks in our country run afoul of our laws…,what with their corrosive ghetto culture, drugs, matriarchal upbringing, relative poverty and unreasoning hatred of the white race.”
I’m not here to talk about criminality, or what colour the criminality is, or whatever. What I’m here to talk about is the us-versus-them framing that you apparently take utterly for granted. Your remarks are soaking in it.
‘Blacks in our country run afoul of our laws.” Their country too. Their laws too. There is no distinction such as you presume in terms of whose country it is or who the law is for. (Keep in mind that I’m not talking about illegal immigration, which is another discussion — see below. I’m talking about people who are unproblematically American.)
This is the hill I’m prepared to die on, this right here: No us versus them. We’re all us. And the arrow of cause and effect doesn’t point in the direction you think it does. If African Americans are a dysfunctional underclass, that’s because “dysfunctional underclass” is the place that America has specially prepared for them. This will be the case for as long as America refuses to concede that “them” is actually part of “us” and conduct itself accordingly.
As for black people’s “unreasoning hatred of the white race” — if you believe that every black person you’ve ever met hates you, have you considered that the other thing they all had in common besides skin colour is the person they were dealing with? Root out your prejudice and start dealing with your neighbours as if they were people like yourself, because they are. Your perspective on poverty, violence, fatherless families and the rest of the familiar litany might start to change.
elysianfield: “Is it possible you dismiss reality for the cheap, and obvious excuses… A Canadian ‘thang’ being once removed from the problem?”
I hope not, because my values include seeing reality for what it is, not what I would like it to be. George Orwell: “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”
For one thing, I have a lot of sympathy for Americans who are pissed off about illegal immigration. Geography makes that close to a nonexistent problem here in Canada. But here’s the thing: It was Americans who let the immigrants in in the first place — Americans with power and privilege, who stood to benefit from their presence. But the fact that privileged Americans sold out the interests of working Americans cuts no ice with me as an excuse. It’s not true that the immigrants snuck in; they were invited, quietly but indisputably. Now America wants to undo what was done with ethnic cleansing, which is both evil in itself and demonstrates a lack of honour toward people who accepted the deal that was implicitly offered. You all made your bed by letting the privileged top 20% have their way; now lie in it. Don’t expect me to back down from this position either.
Elrond,
Thank you for a considered response. Your first point decries a “us VS them” mentality. My statement focused on the criminal element in our society…I have specific and unquestionable experience in this area…it is definitely a “me VS them”…I loathe predators, and would like to sanction every last one of them. If I am taking this position utterly for granted…I should ask…”who wouldn’t”?
An unreasoning hatred of the white race…we are talking a majority here, not everyone. I would further qualify the statement as saying “hatred” may be a bit too strong a word for the vast majority…dislike, unease, mistrust, wariness…these conditions may be more to your liking. Please don’t suggest that long past wrongs are allowed to justify these feelings…we all know the arguments. What I saw in the Ghetto would make your hair stand on end…yet I still believe in content of character, and do not offer a blanket condemnation based on race. Their slavery of 10+ generations past does not give license.
“Our” country. C’mon El, ours, not yours.
“If African Americans are a dysfunctional underclass, that’s because “dysfunctional underclass” is the place that America has specially prepared for them.”
Your statement has some merit. However, after 50 years of “enlightenment”, 3 generations of lives, one trillion dollars in assistance, affirmative action in hiring and college, there is scant improvement in their plight. I beg you to present to the readership a society, not dissimilar to ours, where they have, in large numbers, prospered, assimilated, or at least maintained civility.
Finally El,
Yes we made our bed, allowed the 20% to crap the sheets, and now we will have to lie in it. Must be good to be a Canadian….
Thanks also for your considered reply, elysianfield. Your country, not mine. Yes, I know. But we are in fact the same culture (not in all ways — more on that in a moment), with a common origin. If different generals had been in place 204 years ago we might be countrymen. And it’s just not feasible for anyone on Earth who pays attention not to have an opinion about the USA. In the end, let’s just say that friends speak their minds.
The thing is, there’s a strain in American culture that doesn’t have a real parallel where I live; namely, that of the old South. It’s a deeply conservative and hierarchical concept of society that too often manifests in a thin-skinned willingness to embrace violence to defend one’s idea of one’s honour. What’s more, it’s very much tied to a white identity whose security requires that there be an inferior black identity to which it can feel superior.
This attitude is concentrated in the old Confederacy, but it long ago diffused into all of U.S. society to one degree or another. And the longer it goes on unquestioned, the more inequity and resentment it generates. African Americans were very pointedly excluded from the New Deal by mechanisms such as redlining, and thereby excluded from the opportunity to own their own homes and other means to accumulate wealth and otherwise participate in the mainstream. Johnson’s Great Society programs provoked endless complaints about handouts to undeserving “welfare queens” whose racial identity was also tacitly understood. Yet strangely, when California pays far more in taxes than it receives in benefits from the federal government while the reverse is true of Mississippi, no one in California rails about lazy Mississippians. One is seen as a race-based handout while the other isn’t, when in fact they are both simply mechanisms to help tie the society together. The idea that your neighbours are your neighbours becomes hard to sustain when a deeply-embedded storyline of racial difference keeps whispering in your ear that you deserve what your neighbours don’t, in some way that involves the colour of their skin.
“The thing is, there’s a strain in American culture that doesn’t have a real parallel where I live; namely, that of the old South. It’s a deeply conservative and hierarchical concept of society that too often manifests in a thin-skinned willingness to embrace violence to defend one’s idea of one’s honour. What’s more, it’s very much tied to a white identity whose security requires that there be an inferior black identity to which it can feel superior.”
El,
If the Confederacy and white honor/identity/superiority is the driving issue of race in our country/culture, then what can be the solution? 50 years of “black pride”, literally dozens of “boot strap” programs over those years, our system of education remade, as is our revisionist history taught. It might be considered that it is no longer the white man’s obligation to genuflect to race, but rather the black man’s obligation to assimilate, his turn at bat, in effect.
In 1957, my father, then a Captain in the Air Force, sold our home in Garden Grove, Ca. to another Captain, a black Army Captain who was a graduate of West Point. We were, of course, threatened as a family, a cross was burned on our lawn…the issue continued for weeks. and my mother and we as younger children were sent away to live with relatives during the tumult. I am no stranger to the issues you present. Until my 22nd year, I thought as you now think of racial issues. Is it possible…just a mere possibility, that the black culture in our country has a responsibility regarding our issues of racial animus?
You describe a human trait where one culture/religion/race feels superior over others. We, our Blacks, England the Irish, Russians, the Ukrainians, Germans, everyone else….I do not think that the issue of racial animus can be solved by a philosophical or metaphysical chant, or written law, or wishful thinking…it takes assimilation, and the ball is not now in our court, but rather a venue that requires a steady black hand….Difficult? Yes. Achievable? Not for everyone…those who do not try will not prosper, or possibly even survive.
I have known black men who were better men than I…they did assimilate and prosper, and I certainly have no issue with that. I believe it all boils down to content of character, not race…and in the black culture in this country, content of character is off times lacking. I no longer feel it my burden to think otherwise.
elysianfield: “Is it possible…just a mere possibility, that the black culture in our country has a responsibility regarding our issues of racial animus?”
Everyone has a responsibility. Mind you, Canada is far from being free of racism. On the other hand, we have no KKK or equivalent, no tradition of burning crosses, lynching, or racial terrorism in any way comparable.
The thing is, there’s a critique of your position which is known as respectability politics. Wikipedia: “Respectability politics or the politics of respectability refers to attempts by marginalized groups to police their own members and show their social values as being continuous, and compatible, with mainstream values rather than challenging the mainstream for its failure to accept difference.” This kind of politics offloads responsibility from the majority for its role in ongoing issues, and lays the burden on the already burdened minority.
If you were a child in 1957 (I was born in 1970), then I expect you grew up listening to rock & roll while your parents preferred something else. Rock & roll was invented by black Americans, and taken up so enthusiastically by white kids that it became the quintessentially American music for two generations, barely even remotely identified with its origins. Its successor, rap music, is much more emphatically “black” because unlike rock, it wasn’t appropriated away from its creators. They held on to it and used it as a vehicle for their point view. The point I’m trying to make is that rock and even rap aren’t “black” music per se; they’re American music. Likewise, black culture is American culture, meaning that it belongs to you too to the extent that you don’t hold yourself aloof from it. And black people’s issues in America are America’s issues, meaning they’re your issues. Unless, that is, you hold yourself aloof from them as well.
Offloading responsibility onto others is in part how the issues we have came about. If we really want them solved, then we have to own them instead.
El,
I am sorry, but I reject as an argument against my position “respectability politics”…it is the definition of assimilation…it supports my position, and I see no fallacy in the argument.
The issues we are against are primarily issues that impugn the public trust, civility, and quality of life. Our/my position is not to meet halfway in this position, but rather demand “respectability politics” from those who embrace those negative, corrosive traits. This goes beyond rock and roll or rap…the heart of the matter is that a general lack of civility on the part of blacks will disallow the races from living in peace. I can listen to rap or not…I can listen to “I want to smell your dick” or not, but I will not accept civil disorder, or preying upon other citizens of any color, or other manifestations of Ghetto Culture.
And I do now “offload” the responsibility of racial dysfunction to the blacks in the United States…fifty years, trillions of dollars, hundreds of boot strap programs…three strikes and you’re out…assimilate or embrace your victimhood and may it keep you warm and fuzzy.
Sorry.
El,
May it keep them warm and fuzzy…not you.
elysianfield: “Sorry.”
Hey, that’s my line, Yankee! 🙂
But, ok, as far as solutions, and being helpful , and all that sort of thing ;
I pointed out that policing, the occupation and the institution , are questionable and dangerous.
— Or, actually, I DIDN’T point it out. I’m not that creative or smart. It was the fathers of your own system, whom you presumably esteem, which system you presumably endorse .
Seems to me that you simply don’t want to consider it.
Now for various reasons, you find yourselves saddled with a healthcare framework that is not only sucking the occasional individual or family dry, but the entire society along with it.
Granted, I’m not a healthcare management expert ,
but I have lived in both the inner city , where you can stand on the porch of one house and reach out and touch the next house, and I have lived in rural areas where the norm is a hundred or more acres. And it is bloody obvious that the management of one, is not at all like the management of the other.
Obvious, and not obscure knowledge , and my experience is not an uncommon one.
likewise obvious is that in discussing this predicament, you habitually and predictably refer to the models of countries one-tenth, or even one-twentieth, your size and scale, and seem to flatly pass over examples that far more closely resemble yours.
So that, quite frankly, it seems to me that healthcare is not even the issue . Power is. The United States of Empire.
And, incredibly, ludicrously, a power none of you peasants ( or this peasant ) possess !
Finally, never mind altruistic abstractions, a theoretical good , a future none of us will ever live to see .
What about what you, individually, want, here and now, in this life.
The subject of Halloween came up awhile ago . I’m not 98 years old, I’m only 48.
Now when I was ten years old , living in the inner city, we went out after dark, without parental escorts, to dozens of complete strangers houses , collecting candy, and it was a total blast.
That was, what, barely over 30 years ago , and such a thing seems so unlikely, that a person who wasn’t there, who didn’t live through it, would think it a fictional story !
What, fetishists with a the taste for the young weren’t around then ?
What has transpired since then is somehow to be blamed on 70 years dead Nazis, or some goatherd in Afghanistan ?
I commonly get the impression you aren’t at all interested in any solutions, or any help.
Russia: Live TV aired the Pogrom of anti-Putin Putsch Conspiracy
For whom and why were cleaning up and preparing Russian Academy of Science (RAS)? Perhaps part of the elite was trying to create a structure of parallel government in Russia. Very nice, and I think correctly: its people could meet absolutely private, under the “scientific” pretext and not causing any suspicion and, very importantly, all at once.
RAS was destined to become a new Kremlin, only more powerful.
Horizontal contacts of different security services, various agencies and ministries, part of the the Kremlin administration itself would be perfectly justified to meet in their “scientific activities for the benefit of the country” and most importantly, totally bypassing the Kremlin. Fighting internal systems, in which the Kremlin would be doomed to failure without even realizing where it is coming from.
Consensus between various elite groups is needed just-in-time, rather than on the next day, and not on the phone, which the Motherland is overhearing and writing down.
All the important and fundamental questions are settled only in person and a platform for inter-elite conspiracy would become RAS. For toppling Putin regime were needed these strong horizontal lines of informal direct communication outside the state machine and if they could be established and strengthen, then no KGB or National Guard would help the regime.
Well, they really can’t do it in the bath-houses in presence of girls, as it happened in the Saint 90s, could they?
First Russia recognized NGO as foreign agents, then set up the National Guard, then arrested the Interior Ministry colonel Zakharchenko with couple of tons of American dollars in the original FED packaging and now the main structure which would be preparing a coup using money from the Russian budget was demolished.
How about it, Watson?
I do not know how gentlemen could work in such conditions. Everything happens at once and at a wrong time.
Although, it is very stupid to try to deceive The Intelligence Colonel. You really can overstrain your thinking abilities, so any psychiatric clinic would decline the treatment.
They should’ve started with the Intelligence Sergeant and then move up the ranks.
so now we know that 4 (or so) women invented modern computers & the internet.
so that’s 4 out of how many millions that’ve contributed?
how could civilization ever progress without women to build it?
i wonder….
i hear there’s a woman who can dunk a basketball, too
I will consult with Herr Groupenfuhrer Schmitt of New York on this very question.
Gruppenfuhrer.
Check out the Dunning-Kruger Effect, which psychologist David Dunning himself extrapolates in “Politico” 5/25/16: “The Psychological Quirk that Explains Why You Love Donald Trump.”
“The problem isn’t that voters are too uninformed. It is that they DON’T KNOW how uninformed they are.
…the knowledge and intelligence required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is NOT good at a task. ..this includes political judgement….This syndrome may well be the key to the Trump voter–and perhaps to the man himself.”
And no, I won’t defend Hillary. Bernie Sanders was the ONLY statesman in the race.
However, dear reader, a monkey is now driving the bus.
Driving a bus full of monkeys.
Carrier Corp Makes Deal With Trump to Keep Jobs in US
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/29/trump-to-reveal-deal-to-keep-nearly-1000-carrier-corp-jobs-in-indiana-sources.html
Keep the jobs in, keep the illegals out!
No charges will be brought against Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police officer Brentley Vinson in the September shooting death of a man in University City, District Attorney Andrew Murray announced Wednesday.
Keith Lamont Scott, 43, was shot Sept. 20 in a confrontation with officers outside his apartment.
Keith Lamont Scott
Keith Lamont Scott . .
Murray said that evidence in the case shows that Scott stepped out of his SUV with a gun in his hand and ignored at least 10 commands from the five officers on the scene to drop it.
Murray said that Scott obtained the gun – which had been stolen in Gaston County – 18 days before the confrontation. One bullet was found in the chamber of the gun, the safety was off and Murray said Scott’s DNA was found on the grip and ammunition slide.
Murray said that speculation in the community that Scott was unarmed – initial reports from a family member on Facebook said he was holding a book – were untrue.
“A reading book was not found in the front or back seats of Mr. Scott’s SUV,” Murray said.
Officer Vinson’s gun was examined after the shooting and four bullets were missing, Murray said. Guns taken from the other officers at the scene had not been fired, he said.
another liberal myth bites the dust – almost all do
If we were really interested in health care reform, we would:
Make hospitals post price lists for all their services, so people would know in advance how much they are being charged. Is there any other industry where you don’t know beforehand how much you have to pay? Imagine going into a car dealership to buy a new car, tell the salesman what you want and he delivers the car, and then you get a bill later for the cost. Ridiculous.
Eliminate charging US citizens up to 100 times the cost of medicines that citizens of other countries have to pay. You think maybe that is a monopolistic practice and against US codes?
Eliminate the prohibition against US citizens buying medications outside the country and shipping them here.
Doing just these 3 things would go a long way towards reducing the average citizen’s medical costs.
“Doing just these 3 things would go a long way towards reducing the average citizen’s medical costs.” –beantown
Since Republicans took control of Congress none of those three things has been passed in the last six years. Republicans are still in control.
Where does Tom Price stand on these three things?
From what I read about him, I’d be willing to bet money that he will not do what really has to be done. By ending Obamacare, all he would do is put a new coat of paint over the problem by introducing a new health insurance plan, but not fix the root causes of this issue. But not fixing root causes seems to be the modus operandi of our society.
Eliminate the prohibition against US citizens buying medications outside the country and shipping them here.
But people import mads, anyway, yes?
The failed propagandist Janet is WPA who is Asoka who is Absalom who is, and is… an addicted commenter.
This “forum” is sad… really sad.
The person of whom you speak probably isn’t an obsessive poster but is being paid for their comments. Even so, you
Can choose to scroll over them. It is Sturgeon’s Law which states that 90% of everything is crap. A wise man knows that he has to dig through a lot of dirt to get at a small nugget of gold.
Payed by the Government?
And have you followed ‘Pizza gate?’
I have followed Pizzagate. It’s difficult to believe in it, but even if it is 1% true, it’s beyond disgusting, and those involved should be shot.
Did you notice the eerie similarity between the ‘crime drawing’ and PODESTA?
BOTH PODESTAS?
How silly. Well at any rate the real men are in charge now. That would be Trump loyalists, no others need apply. Jim’ skating on thin ice there with this Golem stuff.
I suggest joining the party, GOP that is, just in case, and maybe a Trump bumper sticker. Well that won’t be much good for a public person. In lieu of that more columns on the plan to eliminate men sprinkled with others on the inadequacy of blah people will probably do.
Listen to the old man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVWupFBkA8
yes, i have called ‘janet’ by her former name ‘wpa’ in recent posts,
he/she truly tries to make the liberal illusions, the shadows of nothingness, real for an instant.
some of his (?) ideas are defensible, i seem to recall from way back when we were a bit on the same page…..
but then i got mugged by reality down here in brazil.
but it’s so comfortable to live in irreality
Janos, I did write a novella, Terry and the Pirates, about an older man who deals with a black gang who defaces property. It’s not touchy-feely. Also, I wrote a novel Man and Nation in the nineties, which showed a civil war/race war in America, begun when a third party wins the election and a Clinton-like president decides this will not stand. I predicted Obama, Sarah Palin, and Trump, although my creations are a little more coherent then the realities. Lots of boom-boom, more a world ripped apart by hand. A lot of what I wrote is coming true, although not in exactly the way I wrote it. I put it away as it needed a lot of rewriting. One publisher said it was too un PC to get published, and offered to publish it, but it would cost me 6,000. No thanks.
I’ve moved on, and am on other projects.
You might want to read the works of Harold Covington. He’s written a series of novels where the Northwest secedes and forms a white homeland. As Covington says, his novels aren’t about characters, but character. They are The Hill of the Ravens, Freedom’s Sons, The Brigade, etc. His website is Northwestfront.org, and he has a weekly podcast. The novels are well-written (far better than The Turner Diaries), and talks and shows the things you say you want. Give him a try.
Yes, I’ve read 4/5 of Covington’s series and 2/3 of Bracken’s. Another one on my list is “Victoria” about a revolution not based on race, but just the Dirt People against the Sky People. The Blacks suddenly get all humble and fight with their White Brothers – very unrealistic I must say. But a Feminist Professor is burned as a witch so it can’t be all bad. If someone kills babies as they are born, and then does rituals with their bodies, and then sells the head – what else would one do?
Bracken is great on most things, but also weak on race, envisioning Blacks and Whites being separated by walls as used in Northern Ireland. For us, that just won’t cut it. We want continent wide separation as depicted in Tom Chittum’s old book, Civil War Two.
“The Blacks suddenly get all humble and fight with their White Brothers – very unrealistic I must say.”
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Not really; don’t be fooled by all the contemporary militant black puffery and boosterism…
The only time we fight white people is when the white polity splits and y’all start fighting each other; then we pick a side.
Think about it?
Despite our complaints about white people; ain’t none of us moving back to Africa.
White people are still the “best deal in town” even if we can’t bring ourselves to openly admit it.
Blacks hate white people the way women hate men and children hate their parents.
In other words, its all theater.
Watch the video of what Blacks did to Reginald Denny. All theatre? Google the Zebra murders and Knoxville Massacre. Theatre? All of our big cities turned into hollow shells as Whites flee Black Terror? Theatre?
Like hell.
Yes, theater.
The reason why insurgencies and civil wars are so common in Africa is because their armies and police shoot down rioters with live ammo.
Only white people can afford to let blacks act a fool and burn things and beat people up… like the LA riots.
In black countries black looters and rioters get shot on DAY ONE.
In addition. in black countries, if you get sent to prison, your family has to provide your blanket, shoes, toothpaste, soap… everything except the watery gruel you eat once a day.
Like I said before, rioting blacks AINT moving to Africa because rioters get shot dead in Africa (with weaponry bought from the U.S)
To sum up; in Africa if you got a problem with the government, you gotta go PLO style or keep your boot lips shut.
You’re right: that’s how we need to deal with you all.
Its not about “right” or “wrong” Janos, its about “what is.”
Be careful about what you ask for because you just might get it?
Hizballah did not exist until the Israeli invasion of Lebanon; who saw that commin?
Practicing racism only unites non white people to oppose you; even when it goes against our best interests.
A check mate on both our houses.
Qui bono?
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/29/osu-diversity-officer-urges-compassion-for-somali-terrorist-who-attacked-students/?singlepage=true
The Brother was a Buckeye after all. Can you imagine what kind of pain he was in? She asked the email not be share – screwed! Two can play the disclosure game.
Can you imagine how painful it is for Blacks when it snows? It’s so racist and they can’t get away from it. That will be mitigated during the coming age of Coal – the air will be so polluted at times that it will turn the snow Black as in old industrial England. You want Blacks to be happy, right? And you want to be warm too, right? This kills two birds with one stone. You thought it was all for free? Nothing is.
The Old World will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. Blacks never liked them either so nothing is lost. And the pollution will create heartbreakingly beautiful sunsets at times. Blacks don’t care, but you do. You get a few crumbs too. Stop being so humble. You have a right to them.
Trump saves an American jobs by keeping Carrier Air Conditioning in America. He’s not even President yet but has done more than Obama did in eight years. Even better: Obama said keeping Carrier Air Conditioning in America was impossible. To be fair to Obama, he probably just didn’t try. Why? Because he didn’t care. Feel better about the man you voted for now?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-showdown-manufacturer-exposes-obamas-201703960.html
I’ll never forget Obama trying not to laugh when asked about “shovel ready jobs” after his reelection. Total scumbag. And those who voted for him? Twice?! Chumps and Dupes.
During the election campaign, Trump promised to slap a tariff on Carrier’s products returning from Mexico to the U.S. if they dared moved any jobs there.
http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2016/11/carrier-tariff-now-carrier-tax-cut-217585
And now, Trump is delivering on his promise to protect American jobs. With a tariff? No, with tax cuts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/
Trump himself isn’t president yet and even if he were, Congress controls the purse strings, not him. So he delivered the good news to Carrier by way of vice president-elect Mike Pence, who is still in office as governor of Indiana for the moment and thus able to hand out taxpayer money.
As a consequence of Trump’s ruthless negotiating tactic of giving Indiana taxpayers’ money to Carrier, he has managed to save 1,000 out of the 2,100 jobs at stake. That’s totally close to 50% of what he declared he would do via tariffs instead of giveaways, but woohoo anyway!
I could only wish to deal with a negotiator like Donald Trump.
*golf clap*
You hate American Companies just like Obama does. Of course you don’t like this. You want the Government to be the sole Employer of a multi-cultural and deracinated population of post historic people. Subhuman Serfs. The Proletariat it other words.
Janos evading the point.
The point: Trump talked a big game about controlling Carrier via tariffs. Then he rewarded them instead, using taxpayer money, to get less than half the results he claimed he would.
As for “I hate American companies” blah blah — diarrhea from Janos’ brain, because he doesn’t have the guts to admit Trump’s nonsense or the brains to come up with any response that’s more to the point.
“The person of whom you speak probably isn’t an obsessive poster but is being paid for their comments.” –beantown
beantown, the entity of which you speak has posted 19 times this week. Compare that to janos having 74 posts this week. Why do you single out the entity as a paid poster, but ignore all those who post with much more frequency than the entity?
janet (not to be confused with janos or jen in san jose)
Are you? Or not? I’m not afraid to admit I’m wrong. Actually, I was just replying to another’s post; I really don’t care if you are paid or not.
but is really WPA-CCC
We just need to prohibit transgender/same-sex procreation (males trying to gestate a fetus or provide egg, females trying to fertilize an egg). I don’t know why people are resistant to the idea of banning it, since it is impossible to do, isn’t useful or needed, would be super costly and disruptive, and isn’t a right! We got to say that only females have a right to be pregnant and only males have a right to impregnate.
Oh my freakin’ God, here we go AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
We just need to do THAT. That’s it! After that, it’s all roses and aces high! Sunny days and apple pie – forever and ever. No more Rosie O’Donell or Charlie Rose. Just roses of every color and roses in the cheeks of young braided ladies, just out of Catholic High. No Protestants need apply. Never saw a Black in my life. Jews? Heard of ’em, but never knew any. Masons? Just the kind who really build. We ran the other ones out and now we use their hall for Bingo.
I don’t know what you are talking about. This week’s column was about rediscovery of men. Essential to that rediscovery is saying men don’t have a right to be pregnant, only women do.
This time explain to me why we should be teaching boys they have a right to be pregnant, What is the downside of banning male pregnancy? The upsides are tremendous.
Whassa matter, Q, afraid they’ll make you have an abortion?
Why ban it if it is impossible to do? Answer me that, Q!
It’s not impossible to put a human embryo in a male’s body, just unethical.
John Howard?
Is this you Asoka? ( or Janet, or WPA, maybe a half dozen other handles)
Dropping in a red herring?
brh
I’m just John Howard of eggandsperm.org no one else.
It may seem like a red herring, but it isn’t. The problem afflicting the world is that people think males have a right to be pregnant.
You’re asking the wrong guy, ask JH.
The Trump Team
https://images.newrepublic.com/3032399e5ffb13c40c5e05a4efa98e2485e4c9f3.jpeg
More like the Trump cheer leaders
( I ain’t mad at em)
In the past week or so ‘Cultural Enrichment’ has been taken to a whole new level here in the Nutmeg State. Porfolio Diaz arrested for driving 130 mph at 2am on I 84 … with 4 little kids in the car. In Hartford, 4 year old Jose Gonzalez killed in a stolen car being pursued by police at 3 am , driver being the dead boys mother’s boyfriend. In Milford, Enrique, Juan, Jose and Fidel cause massive pileup on I 95, burglary suspects running from police back toward New Haven. In Stamford, illegal carves up his wife and ditches his 5 year his daughter in NYC bus station (this case is unique in that the local newspaper headline read, ‘Connecticut man murders wife’ and went on to a screed about domestic violence in Connecticut. Only problem is the guy was an illegal who lived on CT for one (1) day). In Willimantic, 2 illegals from El Salvador beat their cousin to death with a baseball bat, then make a break for it; they were picked up by police in Phoenix. In New London, on Thanksgiving Day, another Jose beaten to death with fists, body found in the hallway of a public housing project …
Phew, there’s a lot more; these are just off the top of my head from watching the local news. Most notable, in Hartford, is the flash mob of 50 ‘Youths’, and ‘schoolchildren’ who overwhelmed a convenience store Wednesday, stripping it clean and injuring a police officer; ‘Youths and Schoolchildren’? Video shows a large mob of black teenagers streaming in and smashing the place up. Of course the media is offering all kinds of explanations for this embarrassing situation; the explanations boil down to one thing: in the long run it whiteys fault.
This is a Sanctuary State, which seems to exist so BIGLIBs who run the show, and base their careers on racial politics, can feel good about themselves. Illegals are streaming in here from all over Latin America and Africa, via NYC, to get a DL, or a city identification card, and the generous welfare benefits that go along with it. But the state is in debt billions and vital services for the disabled and the handicapped are being eliminated. The result is social chaos and erosion of public safety.
brh
In New London, on Thanksgiving Day, another Jose beaten to death with fists, body found in the hallway of a public housing project …BRH
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Lemme guess how the newspaper headline read:
“Family tensions rise during Holidays”
Keep it coming, you big fat RACIST daddy.
Phoenix, Arizona is not the Kidnap capital of the world.
That is because of other places, all of them third world or close to it.
Doubt me? Do your own research.
Amazing to read whats not in mainstream news.
Oh, a cop in California made almost half a million dollars last year with
overtime.
One of the reasons Donald Trump won the election is because he promised to deport illegal immigrants and especially those with criminal records/convictions.
If he does indeed fulfill that promise of deporting illegal immigrant criminals his popularity will soar; after all, law obeying citizens of all political persuasions would rather not live with random and vicious violence.
I’m not sure, however, how Trump’s campaign pledge will work in terms of sanctuary cities refusing to co-operate, but time will certainly tell.
Which is just one more example of how reactionary politics on both sides of the aisle–doing the exact opposite of your political opponent even when it makes good sense–is basically relegating the U.S. to a state of incoherence.
Correction: Trump PROMISED to deport ALL estimated 18 million undocumented immigrants. I now understand that Trump and his supporters are backing off of this promise. Surprise, surprise.
“Are you or not” — beantown
I am not paid to post here. I don’t post frequently because I have a life.
WPA asoka is a troll… handle changing trollbot
The Titanic of Ukraine is slowly submerging into the icy waters…
First Class passengers are rapidly occupying their seats in remaining lifeboats.
The rest are listening to the Captain’s lecture on the benefits of icebergs…
As a person not of the teevee zombie contingent (tm – Madison Ave.), I’m not easily distracted by flashie-dealies and hot-button poking.
That being the case, we’ll turn back to manly men doing the manliest of manly men-things, in order that their manly deeds shall be forever inscribed in men’s magazines and the Book of Man.
Yessir, manly men and manly deeds… and Davy Petraeus too! (An ideal candidate for Sucker-tary of State?? Sure, you can put lipstick on this pig, but it doesn’t make it any more attractive… or qualified for a position higher than chauffeur and junior boot-licker.)
Ray McGovern gives a brief history of a man who vladdie is doomed to follow into ignominy by dint of his “important job”:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/01/petraeus-redux/
Ps. If you’d like for Trumpy to fail spectacularly, root for Manboy Davy to make the cut. That should be a big help…
Thanks — excellent article on Petraeus.
It also reinforces the view that much of the reported $6-8 billion “lost” in the Iraq War actually went to secret buyoffs of Sunni fighters. The “surge worked” for a year or two because we bribed the enemy to not fight for a while — to take a break, rest, rearm, and consolidate at American taxpayers’ expense.
“Manboy” seems apt. Look at his picture — overdecorated eagle scout goodboy (with merit badge in bribery!)
Only problem is the guy was an illegal who lived on CT for one (1) day). In Willimantic, 2 illegals from El Salvador beat their cousin to death with a baseball bat, then make a break for it; they were picked up by police in Phoenix. In New London, on Thanksgiving Day, another Jose beaten to death with fists, body found in the hallway of a public housing project …
south and central americans are horrifically violent compared to WHITE ANGLO-SAXONS.
how’s that for cultural diversity?
When Cortez and other Whites reached those parts,
The open air markets had much human flesh for sale.
And I dont mean hookers.
Flesh on the hook, if you know what I mean.
Why are PRs and Salvadoreans so violent?
Thats like asking ‘why are they so stupid?’
here in brazil, there’s lots of murders where they quarter the victim, sometimes not quite fully dead.
just yesterday they showed video of a jilted ex-prostitute entering her building’s elevator with 3 very large suitcases on wheels.
i’ll let you guess what was inside.
these motherfuckers do NOT value human life, there is a wicked psychotic streak here, where they’ll kill you bad and then order a pizza
nothing like polite, white society.
wpajanet, insert “whiteysobad” here >> _______________
Fred discusses Gun Control in his latest blog.
SANDERS DOES NOT SPEAK SOFTLY AND SANDERS CARRIES A BIGGER STICK
Sanders had pushed Trump to use United Technologies’ revenue from federal contracts as leverage. “I call on Mr. Trump to make it clear to the CEO of United Technologies that if his firm wants to receive another defense contract from the taxpayers of this country, it must not move these plants to Mexico,” Sanders said in a Saturday press release.
Though the deal has tax breaks, an Indiana official who has been briefed on its terms said the threat of losing federal contracts may have been more significant. John Mutz, a member of the Indiana Economic Development Corp., a state agency that helps attract business investment, told the Indiana Business Journal that the threat of losing a “favorable relationship with federal contractors” was a bigger factor.
Big business has long used the threat of departure to cow state and local governments into giving them favors. Sports teams, which often auction themselves to the city willing to build the most extravagant stadium for them, are only the most notorious example.
These companies have a long history of soliciting budget-busting tax breaks or investments from authorities only to fly the coop once the incentives expire or they find a more attractive offer elsewhere. It rapidly devolves into a race to the bottom.
Still, Sanders is not alone in panning the agreement as a uniquely dangerous corporate giveaway. Some economists believe it creates a new precedent for companies considering offshoring to shake down the federal government as well.
WPA Asoka lost bernie, lost Hillary, lost it’s handle (WPA; too embarrassed to keep it) but is still the same old troll
its q
Today millions of children are being taught that a boy can be a girl. On Harvard Law School, students are confused whether males have a right to be pregnant. Doesn’t anyone see this is a problem?
Before someone has a right, they have to have the ability. You are worried about them putting a baby into a man? Where would they put it? The stomach? The Colon? John, men don’t have wombs….
Right men don’t have wombs, which is why they don’t have a right to be pregnant. That comes first, and stands alone as an important fact that needs to be acknowledged to rediscover men: men don’t have a right to be pregnant, and women don’t have a right to impregnate.
As to how they’d do it, google uterus transplants Cleveland clinic. Most of the articles speculate about transgender women. But they don’t even have the right to because they have a right to impregnate instead. It’s also important to remind everyone that every single human male has a right to impregnate. That is currently being denied, which certainly accounts for depression, addiction, tattoos, etc,..
If I want to impregnate a woman, does she have the right to say no? Can I sue her? And if she does have the right, will the Government make me whole and provide someone else – perhaps a low IQ criminal or Black Aunt Jemima with ten kids already? And do I have the right to say no to that and insist on my criteria for a “mate”?
See, it’s far more complicated than you may have thought.
Of course she has the right to say no. Consent is always required to have sex and to procreate. That doesn’t mean men don’t have a right to impregnate, dummy. It just means men have to find a woman to consent to it. But if a man does get a woman to consent to marriage, and she’s not his sister or cousin (in some states), already married, or under 18, then he has a right to impregnate her and she has a right to be impregnated by him.
a right to be pregnant.
An ability. The Left has made the term, ‘right’ sacred.
I’m with Q on John: he may have legitimate points, but his way of thinking about these issues and/or the way he expresses himself is bizarre.
Procreation is a fundamental human right that everyone has equally as a result of being born from a woman. Every baby that is born has an equal right to grow up and procreate someday. There aren’t any babies born that don’t have the right. To deny that everyone has a right to marry and procreate is to totally disrespect everyone’s humanity.
Why do men have nipples on their chests?
Aesthetics. Men would look weird without nipples.
Are you claiming that men having nipples proves that men have a right to be pregnant? It doesn’t. Why not agree with me that men and women have different reproductive rights?
Is it your goal in life to get people to agree with you?
or to reveal truth?
My goal is to get people to realize and agree that males and females have different reproductive rights. To stop people from thinking that males have a right to be pregnant or don’t have a right to impregnate. Boys need to be taught they have an equal right to impregnate a woman someday, and will never have a right to be pregnant.
Humans are a problem. They make more problems. on a long line from some sort of coelacanth well into the future, homo sapiens are just another work always in progress. The bugs never get worked out, don’y-cha-see? Because you can’t hate the playa as the game, more precisely, the field (the environment) is always changing… it ain’t humans fault, the world demands more from its beings all the time, some change some die some persist. Humans don’t persist. The a flash in the pan. But maybe in a few mill, on some space station, or on Mars, your great to the power of many grandson will be birthing a cyborg it designed for its own womb. Hate to burst your freekin religion-diculous bubble brah.
Fuck you
“Fuck you”
Well Howard,
Your logic and cogent argument left Frank speechless, and flailing blindly in search of an intelligent response. Be easy on him in the future, lest he swallows his own tongue…,
It’s about us alive now and our immediate children, who don’t care about anyone on mars, even if they are great great grandsons.
Nah, nah Howie… f*ck yoself… we talkin’ ’bout yo great grandson f*ckin’ hisself pregnant. Parthenogenesis muthaf*cka!
Still, Sanders is not alone in panning the agreement [Carrier] as a uniquely dangerous corporate giveaway. Some economists believe it creates a new precedent for companies considering offshoring to shake down the federal government as well.
yes, your so beloved government, the yardstick of all good in this world, will suffer a shakedown – like it doesn’t have enough power and money!
you economically retarded lefties — if business is mistreated it LEAVES and NO ONE has a frickin JOB
get it thru your head.
ONE-THOUSAND people now have a job that was lost, and a FUTURE of potential prosperity because President Trump did the obvious thing that government is supposed to do – work for its citizens’ good.
bernie sellout sanders LOST you moron, he is a nothing who’s never had a private sector job and knows zilch about the economy.
but he’s now your measure of economic prowess, along with ‘some economists’ – HAHA what an utter, illiterate fool you are wpa.
It’s Janet! Miss WPA if you nasty!
Down in one SA country, HYPERINFLATION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDoZtS6P4w
Kesa Anna,
http://truthfeed.com/breaking-bombshell-multiple-reports-tie-clintons-podesta-brothers-to-child-abduction-case/34348/
Anyone who believes they will be better off a year from now, or even four years from now is terribly deluded. The inmates are in charge and they only care about themselves so they, and their cronies, will be better off, but despite the rhetoric the average person will not be.
The cost of healthcare will be greater and the quality and accessibility will be less. Medicare and Medicaid will be privatized or eliminated and social security won’t exist or benefits will be reduced. The numbers don’t lie. It isn’t fiscally possible to continue the way we are going.
Yes, taxes will probably go down, but how has that worked out in the past? It has forced governments into austerity which meant
Wall Street fat cats will be richer and you will be poorer.
If you fall behind a month on your mortgage your ass will be on the street. There won’t be any rescue programs.
If a credit crisis comes about there won’t be a TARP program. Depositors will have their savings confiscated to bail out banks.
If unemployment spikes there won’t be any extended unemployment benefits or job programs.
There won’t be any forgiveness of student loans or programs to make an education more affordable.
If your parent is in their 90s and needs long term care it will wipe out every penny they have saved and they will be on the street or living with you while your 30 year old unemployed son and his pregnant wife will be sleeping on the pull-out couch.
Sure, we might slow down immigration, but Europe is a basket case and will only get worse. What happens when the English, Irish, French, Italians, Spanish and Germans want out. Think we are going to make friends with Russia? Think again. Putin will slap Trump on the back while he invades what’s left of the Ukraine and forms an alternative SWIFT with the Chinese. Speaking of monetary policy, what happens when the dollar is no longer the world’s reserve currency?
If there is to be a great wind down it will be unequal (meaning those with money and influence will suffer less if at all) and will present an excuse to victimize. My vision of what we are about to see is simply this: wealth and income inequality will result in neo-feudalism and the white folks not building meth labs will be trading in their $50,000 a year job for a $3.50/hr job and living in dormitories. Yes, the minimum wage will be reduced to $3.50 an hour because that will make us competitive.
This will happen no matter who is charge you say. We will be safer with Trump you say. No. We. Won’t. He will hurry the decline in ways no one can anticipate. His big plans for infrastructure development and investment will never happen. This fragile economy will come unraveled like the carpet in a bankrupt hotel.
That doesn’t even address the militaristic and authoritarian response we will see from this president. We will not have seen anything so repressive in this country since the 1760s as we will see when this administration begins to go after the dissenting bloggers and protestors over the next 4 years.
Buckle up friends. Buckle up.
You’re a worry wart, dumb, but I like the line about “the carpet in a bankrupt hotel.”
You should worry more. It keeps you on your toes. And you will need to be on your toes when the Apologize Police come knocking on your door.
D up,
Your vision of our future has a glint of merit, but how would it have been different/more appealing if the lizard queen had won?
It would have been better because she would not have appointed a racist as Attorney General or a billionaire predatory capitalist as Secretary of the Treasury, or someone with the nickname, “Mad Dog” as Secretary of Defense. And how about that Secretary of Education. Nobody on this list can relate to the average American.
Trump is backing down from his promise to save 100% American jobs. We are watching the sleight of hand right now with the Carrier deal to save 50% as if that is a big Trump win.
“Trump has endangered the jobs of workers who were previously safe in the United States,” Sanders wrote. “Why? Because he has signaled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives.” –Bernie Sanders
Trump and the Carrier CEO are on the same page. The plant is going to Mexico. The con is happening right before our eyes.
Carrier and Trump negotiated tax breaks from the state of Indiana as part of the deal. Americans are losing jobs. The ones not losing jobs are being screwed by “tax breaks” and Carrier is coming out on top.
“The incentives offered by the state were an important consideration,” the company said in a statement that also said it was looking forward to a more business-friendly climate under the coming Trump administration.
Trump does not know how to negotiate on behalf of American workers. He knows how to negotiate deals that screw American workers and favor CEOs, shareholders, and corporate owners. That is the world he is from. That is what he does.
“Trump has endangered the jobs of workers who were previously safe in the United States,” Sanders wrote. “Why? Because he has signaled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives.” –Bernie Sanders
Not long after Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence departed for the airport … workers coming in for the night shift received a letter titled “Company Update on Indianapolis Operations.”
“While this announcement is good news for many, we recognize it is not good news for everyone,” the letter stated. “We are moving forward with previously announced plans to relocate the fan coil manufacturing lines, with the expected completion by the end of 2017.”
In Washington, Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, suggested that Carrier’s decision was only a drop in the bucket.
“Mr. Trump would have to make 804 more announcements just like that to equal the standard of jobs in the manufacturing sector that were created in this country under President Obama’s watch,” Mr. Earnest said, … “the incoming president has a high bar to meet when it comes to putting in place the kind of economic policies that would benefit American workers.”
That’s about the size of it. Obama created 804 times more manufacturing jobs than the 50% of Carrier jobs lost in the Trump deal.
Trump’s deal will also give Carrier’s $7 million in incentives from the state of Indiana… just the kind of corporate giveaways Trump knocked as he slammed Carrier on the campaign trail last spring.
Trump is doing the exact opposite of what he promised on the campaign trail and is patting himself on the back for it. 50% jobs lost. Not good enough. Not 100% promised. What a hypocrite!
Yeah, everything would have been so much better under Billary, but you know what, I love the name of the current White House Press Secretary… Mr. Earnest. I also like the name of the new Defense Secretary just named by Trump… General James “Mad Dog” Warmonger.
Yes!
President Obama appointed General James “Mad Dog” Warmonger to replace General Petraeus on August 11, 2010.
Glad to see Trump is following in Obama’s footsteps.
Of course, “Mad Dog” (who Obama appointed to replace General Betrayus) is a retired United States Marine Corps general. Trump already said military generals were “embarrassing” to America and had been “reduced to rubble” under Obama. Also, Trump said he knows more than the generals. The only thing we know is what Trump told us: “I alone can fix it”
I am your voice, said Trump. I alone can fix it. I will restore law and order. Trump did not appeal to prayer, or to God. He did not ask Americans to measure him against their values, or to hold him responsible for living up to them. He did not ask for their help. He asked them to place their faith in him. “I alone can fix it.”
If Mr. Trump wants to appoint a former general to be his secretary of defense, that’s his prerogative, but there are two points I’d like to bring out.
1. What victories has General Mattis achieved that qualify him for the top spot? What victories has any U.S. general achieved since 9/11, under either Obama or Dubya? Does General Mattis actually know how to win wars any better than his predecessors? If his plan is actually to choose better wars (i.e. ones that are less stupid than the U.S. has been fighting for going on a generation now), maybe he actually is a good choice. We’ll see.
2. The principle of civilian control over the military is enormously significant. That’s why no one who has held commissioned rank in the past seven years can be appointed as secretary of defense without a Congressional waiver. Mattis retired as a general only three years ago, so such a waiver will be required in order for him to take office. What assurance is there that a Trump administration will properly safeguard the principle of civilian control that would justify such a waiver? (The words “Trump administration” should clue you in that the correct answer is “None”.)
Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA-CCC, or Asoka?
” Oh, a cop in California made almost half a million dollars last year with
overtime. ” –Malthuss
Ah, but just ask elysianfield, that’s merely one ( of the 50,000 ) exception(s) to the rule of what wonderful people these are ! ^-^
” Kesa Anna,
truthfeed.com/breaking-bombshell-multiple-reports-tie-clintons-podesta-brothers-to-child-abduction-c… ”
Not sure why I was specifically pointed to this link , as I think I have made it clear that given the countless and depressing ways children are being screwed , this fixation on child molestation strikes me as, at best, a very weird and bizarre fetish, at worst, an evil exercise in mis-direction.
Anyway, what little I did read of it , I noticed the typical and predictable role the police have so far played in it ;
— If some nobody even looks askance at a child they are all over it.
— no matter what one of their paymasters in the ruling class does to a child , including rape, kidnapping, and murder, surprise surprise, these heroes seem unable to do anything .
Kesa,
50K out of one million…that would put them firmly to the left of the bell curve, yes? Bottom 5%?
On a personal note, you mentioned you studied Corrections, but apparently are not working in the system, but rather condemn the system to its core. No doubt a story behind this…would you like to share?
Thanks, Child services [cough] is sometimes in on it.
Here are some cases,
Larry Birkin and Larry Birkin Week.
Lolita Express
Jimmy Saville
Michael Jackson THESE FOUR ARE ALL FACTUAL, NO DEBATING.
The below- decide for yourself-
Franklin Cover Up
PIZZA GATE
Haiti Investigator killed, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BkLASoPQA0
Putin in his annual State of the Union address sends a black mark to “Hurray-Patriots”
Political clowns – eternally offended prohibitionists got it for trying to shut up their opponents and the epidemic of “disgruntled activists.”
Separately, and clearly, the President addressed those who want to establish the official state ideology – i.e. idiots who learned nothing from the experience of the Soviet past and those who would like to fight the Civil War over again in modern conditions:
It is unacceptable to drag the grudges, anger and bitterness of the past into our life today, and in pursuit of one’s own political and other interests to speculate on tragedies that concerned practically every family in Russia, no matter what side of the barricades our forebears were on. Let’s remember that we are a single people, a united people, and we have only one Russia.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53379
“Buckle up friends. Buckle up.” Dumbedup
Thanks D, I needed some holiday cheer. Yes, awhile ago I said it would be a wild ride. Maybe too wild. Big ambitious programs, big tax cuts, 20 trillion in debt, and a choking Fed.
The Carrier carrot is nothing less than corporate welfare. The tax breaks certainly aren’t being funded by Trump or Hayes or any altruistic white knight with deep pockets, or any visionary investors. It’s the carpet of capitalism you see unraveling.
The hustles come big out of New York City, like the big Madoff Ponzi. But he wasn’t the president and is doing a burdensome 150. We won’t have a presidential Ponzi per se, but we may be seeing a pirate opening Pandora’s box. I hope not.
What about this Mnuchin? Could his type possibly help? Probably wind up munching on the economic leftovers.
Like you, I’m not getting the good vibes, so I’m off to a Kahlua and egg nog. Nothing too strong. Yet.
New Mexican Sport: Climbing a Wall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SPxjkqiZU
Did the rivalry of two Western Witches bring down the Hillary’s coup in US?
Former Clintonoid Angela Merkel, who is now de-facto a head of the Western Black Project, stabbed Hillary in the back by initiating Ukrainian coup d’etat one year earlier than it was agreed upon.
Remember famous Victoria Nuland’s “F-ck the EU!”?
If only Hillary’s strategic genius could be used for the benefit of the country!
To pick up an earlier thread … Elysianfield, I checked out that link you suggested, Fred on Gun Control.
That guy’s a genius, summing up the whole issue with simple sentences and one syllable, commonplace words, a true student of Hemingway.
This comes on the same day I read ‘Chicago Murders top 700’. Think about that, 700 murders, 2/3 of them unsolved, in just two sections (west and south) of one American city. For comparison, in 3 decades of Indian Warfare on the American Frontier, west of the Mississippi, there were about 1200 US soldiers KIA. Not in a single year during the entire Afghan war were 700 US soldiers or Marines listed as killed. In the nasty Philippine-American war 1899-1902, 700 KIA would be a total for one full year of combat.
Large sections of dozes of American cities have sunk to 3rd world status. 700 murders in a single year is no big deal in in places like Jo’burg SAfrica or Monrovia, Liberia. This is what Chicago should be compared to to get an idea as to what’s going on in the City of Big Shoulders.
brh
Check ‘Ambrose Kane’ blog.
Black woman does a ‘demolition derby’–very funny.
Road rage. Then she drives over a fire hydrant.
Her name is Yaya.
So if i understand you naysayers, since a factory will continue operating and 1000 people (families) will continue to earn and spend and stimulate the economy in the form of bolstering employment by their consumption, and a factory will continue providing peripheral employment through knock-on effects….
this is BAD
especially because its Trump, you know.
sounds logical to me
will you economically illiterate lefties scream corporate welfare when personal taxes are lowered, too?
thank god you people lost
the rest of us will love winning for the next several years while you decry everything good
They thrash and flounder like the wounded beasts and beached whales that they are. Why didn’t Trump save all the jobs? What about the company down the road? What about tariffs?
Relax, retards. This is just a foretaste of things to come. He’s not in office yet. Obviously he can’t personally do this for every company. And the tariff is the stick in the equation. No one ever said there wasn’t going to be carrots too. That’s how it works. And who knows? Once the policies are in place, maybe he can get people to work with each large company, offering them individual deals.
As the Bible says, Better to light a single candle than curse the darkness. But they like the darkness and curse the candle.
fodase: “will you economically illiterate lefties scream corporate welfare when personal taxes are lowered, too?”
Corporate welfare is a wealth transfer, upwards. The same is true of regressive personal taxation that benefits low income earners little if anything, while most of the actual benefits are actually enjoyed by a small number of top earners.
So no, we won’t scream corporate welfare over personal taxes. We’ll scream regressive taxation regarding both. You’re welcome.
It’s not a wealth transfer. It’s a wealth preserver. They are keeping the government from siphoning off profits in most cases.
Be it Hillary’s henchman Syracuse carpet-bagger Terry McAwful doling out tax breaks to Stone Brewing or Chinese paper companies, or Trump’s VP, all they’re doing is letting companies keep more of their earnings in exchange for the government to collect more personal income tax through added jobs.
Until this country figures out that a national sales tax is better than corporate or personal income tax, well… adios jobs.
Unless Trump plans to negotiate thousands of individual deals with thousands of plants leaving the USA, Trump has accomplished nothing with Carrier/United Technologies.
Reuters reported earlier this week that United Technologies would still would proceed with plans to close its Huntington, Indiana United Technologies Electronic Controls plant that employs 700.
Trump also faces pressure to prevent other job cuts. There are several other factories in Indiana that are closing and Senator Joe Donnelly, a Indiana Democrat, urged him to take action to prevent other job losses. The United States has shed about 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000. Indiana alone has lost about 150,000 factory jobs since 2000 to about 500,000.
Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA, or Asoka?
In the election campaign, Trump vowed to impose hefty tariffs if Carrier did not reverse course on shifting jobs to Mexico. The deal means Carrier will still send an estimated 1,300 jobs there. TRUMP FAIL.
The Indiana Economic Development Corp said it has offered Carrier $5 million in conditional tax credits based on the Trump deal. Not only did Trump not impose a tariff on Carrier. He rewarded Carrier, while allowing 1,300 jobs to leave the USA. TRUMP FAIL.
Carrier declined to say how many of the saved jobs are at the plant and how many are at the company’s headquarters, but the Wall Street Journal reported the deal would save about 800 of the 1,400 jobs at the plant and about 300 at the headquarters. TRUMP FAIL.
Indiana is also offering $1 million in training grants to support workforce development and $1 million in tax credits, Gras said. So Trump selects a running mate from Indiana, then makes a deal in Indiana that benefits Carrier at the expense of all Indiana residents. TRUMP FAIL.
Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA, or Asoka?
Q. Schtik, you are against taxes and subsidies for about everything except defense, so how do you feel about the Trump deal that gives Carrier/United Technologies millions of dollars of tax credits and saddles the citizens of Indiana with millions of dollars of “workforce training” money, without stopping the closing of the plant and the loss of hundreds of jobs?
Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA, or Asoka?
Bingo, HUGE fundraiser for Obama arrested for sexy w 15 year old.
Media silent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BkLASoPQA0
Hmmm…just got accused by a lesbian of being a woman-hating female who’s not a “real” woman because I posted links to stories about Hillary getting money from various Arab countries and then making some sweet arms deals. Apparently, Wikileaks “makes things up”. Interesting.
Women and men
Carol Gilligan at Harvard outlined three stages of moral development for women:
Stage I: Orientation toward individual survival
Stage II: Goodness as self-sacrifice (must sacrifice her own wishes to what other people want.)
Stage III: Morality of nonviolence – a moral equivalence is established between self and others. Hurting anyone–including one’s self–is seen as immoral.
So I think Hillary Clinton and the lefties (because they are overwhelmed with guilt) want to give away the store, fill our communities with Somalis and angry Syrian refugees–because they can’t appreciate American’s need for security.
Trump won because he did a good job of voicing the concerns of middle America.
Jen in San Jose
Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA, or Asoka?
“Donald Trump was about as far from my sense of the male ideal as anything short of the Golem. His accomplishments in life — developing hotels that look like bowling trophies and producing moronic TV shows — seem as flimsy as the plastic golden heraldry plastered on his casinos.”
Aspiration sells. Americans are aspirational. They want to be up there, with those people. Ralph Lauren made a successful career both masquerading as a WASP and pandering to those outside the American blue-blood patrician class. Preppies with polos. Wealthy people play polos and wear polo shirts. Let’s symbolize that ideal, that aristocratic leisure class with an icon. And sell it. Trump is a wealthy man who sold himself as the caring wealthy uncle to most of America.
America is all about being good at faking it and making it… ’til you’re rolling in it. That’s why we have people famous for being infamous like Kardashians and wannabe Guthries like Bob Dylan selling a shtick. You don’t have to be what you are presenting. You only have to sell it. Dylan is the same as Bieber. Kardashian is the same as Gloria Vanderbilt. Famous for being $. Just as gauche in any age.
Dylan famous for being infamous? Wow. Do you think that Bieber or a Kardashian will ever win a Nobel Prize?
Dylan didn’t fake it by no longer going solo and abandoning the acoustic guitar. Looking at musical trends and the commercial aspect of what sells doesn’t mean you’re faking it.
I think I get your point, ok on Lauren and Kardashian, but you lose me on the Dylan analogy.
You’re looking at Dylan through the fog. Not through the present, the present of the 60’s. He peddled a Guthrie troubadour shtick, without a message, without meaning. Indy pop sold as authentic troubadour protest man.
“The Rediscovery of Men” JHK
The following lists follow only a general timeline, and are not all inclusive and include only actors.
NOW:
Leonardo DiCaprio, Ben Affleck, Philip Seymour Hoffmann, Robin Williams, Colin Firth, Matt Damon, George Clooney, Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey, Denzel Washington, Russell Crowe, Tom Hanks, Jake Gyllenhaal, Tom Cruise, Robert Downey Jr., Kevin Spacey, Daniel Day Lewis, Jeff Bridges, Paul Giametti, Sean Penn, Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt.
THEN:
John Wayne, Edward G. Robinson, Randolph Scott, Clark Gable, Errol Flynn, Burt Lancaster, Henry Fonda, James Cagney, Humphrey Bogart, John Garfield, Kirk Douglas, Yul Brenner, Anthony Quinn, Gary Cooper, Sidney Poitier, Jimmy Stewart, Jack Palance, Richard Widmark, Glen Ford, Lee J. Cobb, Marlon Brando.
THEN and NOW: (mostly THEN)
Clint Eastwood, Tommy Lee Jones, Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Duvall, Bruce Willis, Sean Connery, Robert De Niro, Paul Newman, Christopher Walken, Dustin Hoffmann.
You want to rediscover men? It’s simple. Watch the old movies.
Pardon me, but aren’t these puppets playing men? Like I said, Americans fall head-over-heels for the illusion, the ideal, the presentation.
To me, there’s much more of a male “aura”, more of a masculine physical presence in the THEN group when playing their roles.
With some exceptions, I see the NOW group as somewhat de-masculinized(?) comparatively.
It’s too small a sample to indicate a genetic trend, but I found it interesting.
You want to rediscover men?
Be honest with yourself. Own it. Don’t imitate, originate.
Personal responsibility. Keep your word. Do what’s right even when doing right doesn’t seem to benefit you.
Be courageous. Live in the now. Be right in the moment.
Let it, the moment, decide.
Be guided in actions and not in words, not for you, not for some eternal reward, but for what is true.
Question, seek, don’t accept. Don’t whine, find a solution
Find a solution.
Men solve.
They make many mistakes… and thus they must solve.
It’s their labor. Their labor.
Agree. First find the man in yourself.
“Question, seek, don’t accept. Don’t whine, find a solution, like posting repeatedly, “Janet why are you such a coward that you cannot post as WPA, or Asoka?” ”
Your solution appears to be to harass new posters on CFN, accusing them of being trolls and sock puppets? Pathetic physician, heal thyself.
Drop the bullshit act.. attention whore
Drop the anger, macho man.
Oh horse shit… charlatan… every time you lose face, and by count, it’s far too many… along come another nom de plume .
Give it up! Get some dignity!
Ignore them, Janet, they fear your brain.
Janet, you really really seem to be the same person as wpa. Strikingly similar —
To help us see the difference, maybe you could review some of her old posts, then point out areas of disagreement, philosophical differences, etc between the two of you.
Thanks —
Thank you, but no thank you. I am not concerned with whether my Trump views are in agreement with other posters here. I don’t know who “wpa” “asoka” “absolam” etc. are. They have nothing to do with me, even if some of their views coincide with mine.
This week’s theme is Rediscovery of Men. Bullying personal attacks are off topic.
TRUMP: “The President of Taiwan CALLED ME today to wish me congratulations on winning the Presidency. Thank you!”
But the Taipei Times reported the call was arranged by Trump’s “Taiwan-friendly campaign staff after his aides briefed him on issues regarding Taiwan and the situation in the Taiwan Strait.”
China has reached out to the White House about the call, according to CNN.
The call with Tsai is the latest in a string of conversations between Trump and foreign leaders that have left foreign policy experts and career diplomats shocked and concerned.
Trump seems to want to provide opponents with ammunition for his impeachment with his acts as a citizen. The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments having a dispute with the U.S. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government’s position.
Again, WPA why did you resurface as Janet? I know why you did…for more attention, but why not cop to it? Cowardice and absurdity. You reek
It’s its act. Contrarian for the sake of argument. To induce debate and interaction. Spinster with too much internet time, and too little purpose.
The situation remains dangerous
After the journalists who had just covered Trump with mud came to the meeting with the newly elected president, the press awaited the appearance right on this meeting of the “f–g firing squad”.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/
Trump began to establish links with those of them who still remained within the decency limits, in particular with the New York Times. But he made it clear that though the life begins with a clean slate, but if someone will go back to old ways, they will have to answer, and for the election campaign, too.
And the essence of the campaign is that too many American journalists violated all norms of journalistic and human ethics just to put the outright criminal into the White House. And even though he promised not to initiate criminal case against her, but the criminal is still a criminal and aiding her is a crime.
And here at once there arose the opportunity to check them for lousiness, when the nominee of the “Green Party” Jill Stein, who scored 1% of the vote, suddenly filed a case of a recount in Wisconsin. And I must say that yesterday, almost all journalists except patented Democrats on ABC, openly acknowledged that this was a special operation by Hillary Clinton, in which she recruited Jill Stein, because such actions were prohibited by Hillary’s agreement with Donald Trump, in which he promised not to prosecute her.
But then she was able quietly to take credit for 2 million more votes after the election, which tells that a very considerable power of criminal nature remains in her hands. That is Trump, in exchange for recognition of election results promised her immunity from prosecution, after which she, without challenging the election results, attributed a huge number of popular votes and then just gave money to Jill Stein, who challenged the election results in her name. That again is another lesson to all those who want ever in the future, to enter into any agreement with Hillary Clinton.
And in California the Sanders’ followers claim that they voted for Trump, but she stole their votes in the gigantic size – almost 4 million votes. But what Trump to do in this situation? To challenge the results of the election in which he’d won, or refer to the agreement concluded with her “under the table”?
He found a way and accused the chairman of the election commissions of California and North Carolina in the mass falsification of voting results, but the allusions are so vague that except as a subtle hint of such a serious matter as the possibility of civil war, these charges can not be considered.
As a result, Wisconsin manual recount was canceled, and is impossible in Pennsylvania where proof of forgery is needed, not only money.
The recount effort first became the preparation to put pressure on the electors and then turned into an attempt to play for time and to prepare for some major shit.
Such major shit can only be a conflict between Russia and the United States, as in the conditions of cooperation between Russia and the United States the Western Black Project is of no use to anyone on either side of the Atlantic.
* I quoted Janet as saying, ” Women don’t need men, full stop. ”
Well , I was just reading through the blog and , further up , SOMEBODY ELSE said it .
They both said it ??
Now I’m all confused. Oh well.
This format can be a bit of a pain to reference.
If I misquoted you, sorry Janet.
KesaAna, you did misattribute. No biggie.
Reel/real man… last couple of song 13… He dated Janis?
https://archive.org/details/gd71-12-02.sbd.lai.6255.sbeok.shnf
” On a personal note, you mentioned you studied Corrections, but apparently are not working in the system, but rather condemn the system to its core. No doubt a story behind this…would you like to share? ”
— that was formal education, which I don’t think much of.
if you want a JOB, by all means go to school. If you want an EDUCATION in the social sciences and humanities, go to the library .
Too bad you won’t get credit in a library, but that’s the discipline.
There’s a regular program on Smithsonian Channel ; Air Disasters . As the name implies, yep, it’s about one airplane crash after another. cable and satellite TV are full of such programs.
I dare say that , for some reason, human misery is more popular than porn.
In my case, rather than going to the races in hopes of seeing a wreck — I couldn’t afford such things anyway — my prurient and macabre interest turned to jails, prisons, criminal justice, and especially in Totalitarian societies .
Ah, such, such were the days when books were cheap entertainment for working class kids !
Why totalitarian societies ? Because by age 11 I had noticed that 95% of what adults told me about this country I moved to , scarcely matched the reality.
So, being naïve and young, I figured there must be an alternative, and perforce that alternative must be better.
So I’ve been studying the subject about 35+ years.
What is the applicability to the United States?
You think you are better because you aren’t shoving 6 year olds in gas chambers?
You’ve come up with better ways of destroying people without killing them. “Better” perhaps meaning worse, because it’s quiet , and the plausible deniability can be spun out indefinitely , or until things get really, really, bad , in which case perhaps the gas chambers get cranked up regardless.
You’re the same out-of-control control-freaks they were.
They had to build walls to keep people in, you build no walls, ( if you don’t count the absolutely staggering sums you must be spending on jails and prisons ) because there is nowhere else to go.
I cannot figure out which of the two is more dismal and depressing.
” You glorify politicians, lawyers, judges and political thinkers, and then decry, the system of penology we have in this country. ”
It’s hard to write a book in response to every query. And when I do spend 6 or 10 unpaid hours trying a little at least, then someone complains I’m long-winded.
Actually I think George Washington and company were generally a bunch of scumbags. And I REALLY despise those creatures who cut off Charles I head , though I think he was a rather inept king to tell the truth. But even scumbags have a few good ideas.
Like the Nazis opposition to Interest Slavery ( today called predatory lending, the giant international banking Ponzi scheme, etc, ) was sound, even if they were Nazis.
” Police do not write the laws, they do not interpret the laws, they merely enforce the laws. The “swells” you reference, the lawyers and judges, are the ones who wrote and defined the laws… put people in cages, or to death. In California, the law DEMANDS that the police make an arrest of a felon…no discretion whatsoever. The police work at the pleasure of the politicians, judges, and lawyers, in effect. ”
I think the militarization of the police — a manifestation of which are the zero-discretion laws you mention , zero-tolerance policies, etc, are at best crazy, at worst evil.
As for the rest, your comments remind me of a scene from a movie version of Dangerous Liaisons ; A young girl is complaining that she has been molested by a certain slick aristocrat , and she says, ” He had a way of putting things ……so you couldn’t think of an answer ! ”
And her cynical , critical confidant replied , ” You couldn’t think of the word , ” No” ?
your comments seem to suggest they are hapless victims ?
They can’t go to work at Burger King ?
— No, many of them have sufficient education, contacts, resources , they wouldn’t have to go to Burger King — as so many HAVE TO.
I did. No, I won’t cut them any slack .
I’m thoroughly sick of people who deliver pious homilies about duty, sacrifice, and such, but who will not give up their houses, their driveways full of vehicles, their trophy wives and statuses, while I have done so.
” Regarding your blanket condemnation of one million law enforcement personnel in this country. …..how can you pre-judge a million of ANY group? ”
You answered this yourself with ,
” ….but rather condemn the system to its core ”
I’ve lost count of the number of times I have seen people entirely comfortable in pre-judging a million Nazis, and yet, at the same time, clearly had not the foggiest idea what the core ideas of National Socialism were,
Which is to say I could take out the swastika, spoon feed them National Socialism , and they would eat it up, and be none the wiser.
It reminds me of an incident, I went to a museum and saw this portrait, and subsequently described the portrait to my pen-pal in Sweden . It so happened the portrait was of a man I despise.
She could not understand how I could like a portrait of a man I disliked .
?
A good quality portrait is a good portrait, is a good portrait. What the heck does the subject of the portrait have to do with the talent of the artist who painted it ?
Beats the hell out of me.
I rather suspect , though, that you, as well, are aware of these distinctions with that,
” ….but rather condemn the system to its core ”
No, I rather suspect that ,
” how can you pre-judge a million of ANY group? ”
Has rather less to do with anything I wrote, and more to do perhaps with personal reasons of your own.
Whaaa?
Curiously, or should I write, predictably, humans are capable of admiring the artistry of the antique despite the negative reputation of a subject. Somehow, the centuries shift the focus from the subject itself onto the sheer magnificence of the artifact; the corrupt, evil subject becomes something of a historical celebration, witness all the sold out ancient Egyptian art exhibitions. From such a distant time vantage point, one can see what a silly, tragic and repeating theme the human experiment has been.
“A peaceful place, or so it looks from space; a closer look reveals the human race.”
And no doubt many leave art museums asking God, ” no more trips back to Earth and no more reincarnations as a human, thank you very much in advance.
But most just like contemplating the notion that the unearthed marble sculpture still has dirt from 2000 years ago residing in the recesses, fondling the mud of time, viscerally.
The beautiful portrait or landscape often looks unrecognizable in terms of subject matter up close and personal; it’s the earth mud of paint, where the eternal child leaps into the world of dreams, chasing striated colors that Van Gogh observed ‘have no name’.
But then the adult aspect insists on backing up to make recognizable sense of the portrait in question and often disappointingly so. Because let’s face it, who really wants to contemplate Truman Capote with a poodle in his lap?
I must have missed something in history. In what sense is ancient Egypt corrupt and evil?
Quit feigning ignorance Q :surely you watched Yul Brynner in the Ten Commandments! /s
The Tin Cup is out for Haiti again, being passed around in churches and schools, along with copious amounts of guilt. What we’re hearing now is what we heard after the earthquake a decade ago. Apparently nothing has improved. What happened to the aid package provided by the US, or the $10 billion from the Clinton Foundation from 10 years ago?
I have a cousin going down to help out, with a Catholic Aid group. I said to him, “I was there in the early 80s; it was a craphole then, you mean nothing has improved?” He assured me its worse now.
Its common knowledge in the 1803 revolt every single white person on that half of the island was exterminated, but its not true. Yes, a battalion of Polish soldiers, a sort of foreign legion in Napoleans’s colonial army, escaped to the mountains near the Santo Domingo border, and there they remain to this day, blue eyed, blond Haitians.
There’s not enough money in the world to fix what’s wrong with Haiti. It hopeless. But serves as a destination for people like my cousin, a volunteer no less, to ‘practice their faith’ and feel good about themselves.
brh
1 IN 4? Haitians is in USA.
JHK has mentioned the ‘absurdity of food aid to Haiti.’
Are you ready to admit the problem is the genetic deficits of the Black Race – and thus the problems of the Cities of the Connecticut Coast are equally insoluble? Or are you afraid the police will break down your door if you admit “racism”?
TRUMP’S CRONY CAPITALISM
Meet the new corrupt white boss, nothing like the model Black father community organizer old boss.
Tea party standard-bearer Sarah Palin, under consideration to join Donald Trump’s cabinet, has just blasted the tax deal the president-elect negotiated with Carrier, condemning it as “crony capitalism.”
Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence helped arrange $7 million in Indiana tax breaks over 10 years for Carrier in exchange for the company’s promise to keep about 800 of 1,400 jobs in the U.S. instead of moving them to Mexico. In addition, Trump threatened to impose a stiff tariff on Carrier products if they sent all of the work across the border.
“Republicans oppose this, remember?” Palin wrote in an op-ed Friday on the Young Conservatives website. “Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.
“A business must have freedom to locate where it wishes,” the piece continued. “In a free market, if a business makes a mistake (including a marketing mistake that perhaps Carrier executives made), threatening to move elsewhere claiming efficiency’s sake, then the market’s invisible hand punishes. Thankfully, that same hand rewards, based on good business decisions.”
She warned that “picking and choosing” which company darlings receive “corporate welfare” is a “hallmark of corruption” and “socialism.”
A “$20 trillion debt-ridden country can’t afford this sinfully stupid practice, so vigilantly guard against its continuance, or we’re doomed,” she urged.
Janet,
Jim Rickards wrote a great blog piece regarding Trump and his “art of the deal”. I expect it will not change your worldview, but it’s what I’ve expected from Trump all along….
https://dailyreckoning.com/trump-election-myths-realities/
Donald Trump will be our first “African Big Man” president of the United States
His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Casino Doctor You’re Fired, MC, DVD, Diane Rhem, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and TEE VEE in Particular
DONALD J TRUMP
Stop crying and get over it.
I did,
why can’t you?
Thwack,
Crying? I am doing everything but. I am exultant…
Sorry E,
my reply was for “Janet” and all the Trump haters out there
People ridiculed Idi Amin as a buffoon; but it only took 90 days for all the Indians to self deport from Uganda. when he took over.
*don’t hate the player; hate the game*
That’s what we want: Government and Industry working together for the good of the Nation. They’re always going to work together in any case. Business as usual in America is for them to work together for the good of the very few.
The Conservative dream of no connection between the two spheres? Silly at best. And if it was to be realized? Monstrous, since Capitalism or “the Market” is simply the Law of the Jungle in and of itself, unmitigated by higher concerns.
2016 = 1961
Hillary Clinton conceived a recount as a serious attempt to change the results of the elections, but after a manual recount of votes was rejected by the courts in most of the counties of Wisconsin (and machines do not take bribes), recount turned into attempt to delay the transfer of power from Obama to Trump.
Now according to the law recount requires any candidate, with no reason other than money, paid to compensate the state the cost of this recount, but if it goes to delay the Electoral College vote, which should put an end to this dispute, from December 19 to a later date, then it will require more money, and at least some reason to.
At least something this recount will have to uncover by December 19 in order to request a manual recount which will be physically impossible to complete by this time.
That’s why Trump was quite calm about recount in Wisconsin, but went to court when it came to Michigan. The fact is that in Michigan, the difference is so small that it is possible to detect errors only through a manual recount, and this gives grounds for the delay of Electoral College vote from December 19 at a later date, about a month as was shown by 2000 elections.
So what needs to happen from December 19 to January 19, that the Wicked Witch of the West is ready to put her ass on a line to electric chair for this?
The thoughts of 1962 come to mind, and here we go – Fidel Castro just died.
Believe me, the best informed in all details of the election campaign in the United States are the Saudis, and if Hillary got at least some chance to stay in the White House, they would never have signed an agreement on reducing oil production.
So Trump is our President!
But in Hillary’s mind this does not change anything, and even overshadows the flash from the discharge of the electric chair, and in these circumstances the voltage would be set to a maximum.
twack said: “my reply was for “Janet” and all the Trump haters out there”
Speak for yourself, twack. I did not hate W and I do not hate Trump. On the contrary laughable buffoons are entertaining and make me laugh. I would be happy to socialize with them. I absolutely hate their policies, but they as persons are just carrying out orders. Look at all the Goldman Sachs Wall Streeters Trump has appointed. I recognize that he lied on the campaign trail to bring Hillary down. Good for Trump! He won. But just because he is a charming man… who likes to grab pussies… that does not mean I have to support his policies.
Janet,
I am happy you are being entertained.
I do not think you, Janet, a reincarnation of Wpac…You have a bit of vitriol,, a sharp tongue, quick to spit right back at your detractors…Wpac never seemed to do that. You would be great on a college debate team…In a Barcalounger sitting next to me in the living room…not so much.
My name is not “twack”, its THwack.
what country you from?
They speak English?
English motherfucker; do you speak it?
Then you understand what Im sayin?
What does Donald J Trump
look
like?
Trump says that he’s going to pull restrictions on coal burning. Don’t they call middle-aged white skanks who have sex with young black men “Coal Burners”?
I thought they were called “mudsharks?”
“I thought they were called “mudsharks?”
Thwack,
A good number end up being called “abused”.
“A good number end up being called “abused”.”
Well maybe thats what they want?
After all, look at how many of them voted for Trump?
Both terms are correct and in use.
Good catch, Puck. That’s exactly what Trump meant. Thwack!
You want to rediscover men?
Be honest with yourself. Own it. Don’t imitate, originate.
“Personal responsibility. Keep your word. Do what’s right even when doing right doesn’t seem to benefit you.
Be courageous. Live in the now. Be right in the moment.
Let it, the moment, decide.
Be guided in actions and not in words, not for you, not for some eternal reward, but for what is true.
Question, seek, don’t accept. Don’t whine, find a solution
Find a solution.
Men solve.
They make many mistakes… and thus they must solve.
It’s their labor. Their labor.”
I’ve long been a fan of your thoughts and expressions even if I disagree on occasion; thanks for your post.
“Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final”
? Rainer Maria Rilke
Should have cited our poster frankiti above.
Por que a Beleza importa? Much of what you call beauty is actually ugliness. You don’t distinguish between “being moved” by Ugliness or Beauty, as if being moved is all that matters. After all, discrimination is bad – as if Haitians are the same as Irishmen.
This is a much needed correction and rebuke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc
Trump has been criticized by representatives of the Republican Party, and particularly Sarah Palin, who stated that Trump is engaged in “corrupt capitalism.” In fact, critics say that the new president made an illegal or at least immoral deal – because he gave a “bribe” to a private company – Carrier – in order to fulfill one of his campaign promises.
It can be seen that the label of “bribe-giver”, who gives away public funds to the “fat cats” will be actively stuck to Trump by Democrats and Republicans alike.
The accusation of “bribery” or the “corruption” is frankly stupid, at least for the reason that if the factory was really taken out of the US, the amount of taxes that would have received by the state is exactly zero, and that’s without taking into account the fact that the state would have to support the unemployed and their families. So Trump exchanged ghostly $7 million to keep very concrete jobs.
But the incident itself is revealing. Now they will try to blame corruption on each such transaction, and there are going to be hundreds, if not thousands, of them.
Simultaneously with the Carrier scandal is developing a scandal around Trump’s efforts to maintain Ford production in the US. Until recently it seemed that the company agreed to the demands of Trump, who threatened the introduction of 35% tariff for cars manufactured outside the United States.
Apparently now the first shock had worn off, and the representatives of Ford decided that it ain’t enough and rolled out their own list of demands for the new administration. Some of them (the abolition of the obligation for the production of electric vehicles and the mitigation of environmental standards) can be done relatively easy, but the key requirement is not so simple.
Ford requires that the new president “do something” with the countries that “manipulate” (in the sense of “underestimate”) exchange rate of its currency against the dollar, which gives an advantage to competitors of the American company.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-30/ford-cfo-says-toyota-gains-10-billion-advantage-from-weak-yen
Ford demands Trump to weaken dollar against car-exporting countries currencies (for instance: the yuan, yen, Korean won, perhaps – the euro).
The situation underscores two major Trump problems: 1 – businesses will try to blackmail him periodically; 2 – it is not clear how to combine the elimination of the “bubble” in the US economy (“false economy” in terms of Trump) with the weakening of the dollar, which is necessary for business to be comfortable to work and pay taxes in the United States.
The official position of the new administration about the second problem is not yet announced.
It is hard not to notice similarities between the new Trump Administration and the one of JFK, especially regarding President John F. Kennedy’s attack on the Steel companies in 1962.
http://www.historycentral.com/documents/jfksteel.html
It would be tempting for the opposition to set Trump up for a new “Caribbean Crisis” ala 1962 against Moscow. Fortunately, pragmatic Putin is in charge of Moscow foreign policy, not the Nazi Khrushchev.
The chain of capitulations of militant enclaves in the Damascus province has continued. Following the capitulation of the Western Guta, surrendered the enclave of Al-Tal.
After negotiations with the militants, they agreed to surrender to the Syrian troops their heavy and small arms and move to Idlib province, along with their families.
All of them were covered by declared by Syrian President Bashar Assad amnesty. Syrian authorities gave the former rebels 44 buses to move, in which a total of 1,500 people left.
Nary a word from our esteemed “journalists of record” about Clinton Inc. using the hijacked Green Party, and their rogue surrogate Stein, to contest the results. To not accept the victor. To run the axe deeper in the split. To complete the divide.
You must indulge me this, my incurable skepticism. Conspicuous hypocrisy unabated and unignored. Would have one turn to blogs for if not “news”, the truth.
“There’s not enough money in the world to fix what’s wrong with Haiti. It hopeless. But serves as a destination for people like my cousin, a volunteer no less, to ‘practice their faith’ and feel good about themselves.”–brh
I recognize you now; “you” wrote with the very same sentiment during the Irish famine: “the lazy, no good Irish, reaping God’s justice!”
At any rate, you’ll never be writing like Thomas Nulty:
“Seven hundred human beings were driven from their homes in one day and set adrift on the world, to gratify the caprice of one who, before God and man, probably deserved less consideration than the last and least of them… The horrid scenes I then witnessed, I must remember all my life long. The wailing of women – the screams, the terror, the consternation of children – the speechless agony of honest industrious men – wrung tears of grief from all who saw them. I saw officers and men of a large police force, who were obliged to attend on the occasion, cry like children at beholding the cruel sufferings of the very people whom they would be obliged to butcher had they offered the least resistance. The landed proprietors in a circle all around – and for many miles in every direction – warned their tenantry, with threats of their direct vengeance, against the humanity of extending to any of them the hospitality of a single night’s shelter… and in little more than three years, nearly a fourth of them lay quietly in their graves.”
During the campaign, Jill Stein has been the most consistent critic of Hillary Clinton and directly accused her of intent to start a nuclear war with Russia. Knowing the style of the Wicked Witch of the West, it is only natural that it was her to be recruited in the recount effort, most likely in the same manner in which Hillary made Bernie Sanders to “nominate” herself on a democratic convention.
And as soon as she charged Jill Stein with a recount request, I immediately thought about Cuba. Indeed, while Trump has not come into full power in Washington, the easiest way to stop the seemingly inevitable improvement in US-Russian relations is to try to arrange a color revolution in Cuba, and when it fails, Russian rockets will again wind up on the Liberty Island.
And in an attempt to arrange a blockade, Russia first would hint about the absence of difference between missiles in Poland and the missiles in Cuba, and if it does not help than in the best case simply sink all American ships engaged in the blockade, and in the worst stop all Russian ships bound for Cuba, but inflict a preemptive strike on missiles in Poland and Romania, probably nuclear.
Certainly tempting Obama to participate in this adventure is almost impossible, but is his consent really necessary in the situation that developed after the death of Castro and complete insanity of “Cubans” in Miami?!
A pretty terrific article on the legacy of Fidel:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/opinion/sunday/welcome-to-savage-capitalism.html?_r=0
Book, ‘The Other Side of Fidel’–it is by his former bodyguard.
Castro was a narco terrorist.
Fidel has an estimated $3 billion stashed away in banks in Spain and the Bahamas.
Just like here in the USA, lefty politics pays good.
When you think about it, its just about the best grift there is.
brh
Terry Bean Arrested on Charges of Sex Abuse of a Minor …
Terry Bean, a Portland power player in national Democratic politics and the gay rights movement, was arrested today on charges of sex abuse in a case involving a 15 …
[Search domain http://www.wweek.com] wweek.com/portland/blog-32476-terry-bean-arrested-o…
Obamas BIGGEST $ in that state.
that’s what the Dems are all about.
they went to the wall over tranny restrooms, and it cost them the election. For traditional blue collar Democrats (which I used to be) it was too much … specially the Dems who had young daughters they cared about.
brh
Well, Ladies and Germs,
The BBC America site this PM reports that Donald Trump tweeted a warning that put US businesses on notice;
“The US is going to substantially reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country, fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, and then thinks it will sell its product back into the US without retribution or consequence, is WRONG!” [sic], the Republican tweeted.
I am giddy. Who would have expected any current politician to do what Trump is doing…straight up defense of the American working class… The Trumpster also tweeted that “The United States is open for business!” …thank you sweet Jesus….
“I am giddy.” –E
No, you are gullible. Tomorrow Trump will say something different. Then he will forget what he said. He will do nothing. Carrier/United Technologies proved that.
Did you actually read the Carrier letter? It started out saying ‘we are pleased to inform you’ and ended up talking about all the jobs that would still be shipped overseas. Less than half of them are actually staying. TRUMP LIED ABOUT KEEPING JOBS IN AMERICA. TRUMP MADE A DEAL TO ALLOW CARRIER TO SHIP JOBS OVERSEAS.
Read the Carrier letter to its employees. Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, said it will continue with previously announced plans to close a factory in Huntington, Ind., and move its 700 jobs to Mexico.
In its letter to employees Carrier said it would move forward with its earlier plan to relocate its fan coil manufacturing lines out of the country.
The fan coil relocation will cost 600 U.S. jobs.
So between the U.S. job losses at the factories in Carrier and Huntington, approximately 1,300 jobs will be moved to Mexico under the umbrella of United Technologies.
Less than half (or 38 percent) of the 2,100 jobs in danger of being exported actually ended up staying.
The Trump deal is keeping approximately 800 jobs out of 1,400 at the Carrier plant. However, when applied more broadly to include jobs that will be lost from the United Technologies’ factory closure in Huntington, as well as the hundreds of jobs not saved in the Carrier deal, less than half (38%) of the jobs were saved. TRUMP FAIL.
When you consider quid pro quo (which is corrupt, which is bribery) and the costs saddled on the Indiana taxpayers for millions of dollars of subsidies, the precedent set will only lead to more quid pro quo, more corruption, more bribery, more taxation on citizens not involved in making these Trump “deals” … we don’t win… the deals are not for us. Trump let the majority of the jobs go to Mexico in his “deal”
“I am giddy.” –E
No, you are gullible. Tomorrow Trump will say something different. – Jansoka
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You used to love the words below from Ralph Waldo Emerson but now the shoe is on the other foot.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines……. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/putin-trump-is-smart-will-soon-be-aware-of-different-level-of-responsibility.html
The God Brothers Trump and Putin, Castor and Pollux, Sauron and Saruman. Who can stand against the Two Towers?
” how can you pre-judge a million of ANY group? ”
Well :
” But then consider the freak show that American culture has become in our time and it shouldn’t be surprising that a cartoon nation has ended up with a cartoon of a man as head-of-state ”
Among many, many, similar statements.
You might ask Mr. Kunstler why he routinely pre-judges this very, very, large group of freakish, cartoonish people ?
” Whaa ? ”
Given that you hang out on Mr. Kunstler’s blog, given what an unfair and irrational and ridiculous character you must think him to be,
I’m not surprised that you still don’t understand even when someone spends a few unpaid hours trying to explain to you ,
as you apparently don’t even know where you are, or why you’re there.
“” Whaa ? ”
Kesa,
With all respect, your missives are…disjointed.
Italeave
Hey Janet, this headline comes from today’s NYT:
Stein Drops Pennsylvania Recount Effort, Ending a Long-Shot Push Against Trump
Got anything left in your bag of tricks?
Yeah, a new avatar…
Dec. 19
NONVIOLENT PROTEST STOPS PIPELINE
OCETI SAKOWIN CAMPGROUND, N.D. ? Federal authorities have halted construction of the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline amid growing protests that were expected to draw some 2,000 U.S. military veterans.
The Department of the Army has denied the final easement required for the $3.8 billion project to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, it announced Sunday.
On “The Diane Rehm Show” Wednesday morning Scottie Nell Hughes, a frequent surrogate for President-elect Trump defended Trump’s contention that he would have won the popular vote if “millions of immigrants had not voted illegally.” Furthermore, Hughes remarked,”There’s no such thing, unfortunately, anymore, of facts.”
Presidents have waged wars on drugs, poverty, and terrorism. Now at last, we have a president-elect who is waging a war on reality.
Hughes really should “fact check” her theory by jumping off Trump Tower to find out if the illusion of gravity exists.
DEC. 19 THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE ELECTED
The President of the United States has complete and unilateral control over 1,900 active nuclear weapons. Due to advances in modern technology, the most common protocols for authorizing American nuclear weapons allow for as little as 90 seconds of reflection by the one person alive with the power to use them. How on Earth are any of us safe, how are our loved ones safe, when that person is considered entirely unqualified by some of the most respected members of his own party, and has been assessed by hundreds if not thousands of psychological professionals as having incurable Narcissistic Personality and Sociopathic Personality Disorders?
Other than thermonuclear war, virtually every competent scientist in the world believes that the biggest threat to human survival is global warming. Donald Trump doesn’t believe global warming exists. Members of his own party have said that his ignorant insistence of this, despite the facts, should disqualify him from the Presidency. They are right. Actions must be taken, and incredibly swiftly, to address global warming or we will reach a point of no return. But the head of Trump’s EPA transition team (himself a global warming denier) consistently fights to roll back crucial stopgap measures already underway. We’re talking about our lives, people.
Thankfully, the founders of this Nation predicted this. They foresaw that the people might elect someone unfit to be President. Hence, they added the idea of Electors to the Electoral College.
There are those who mistakenly believe that the Electoral College requires Electors to vote for Donald Trump. But that is the opposite of what the Electors are supposed to do in circumstances like these. Lawrence Lessig, this Nation’s premier constitutional expert, cleanly explains the responsibility of Electors, as follows.
Like a judge reviewing a jury verdict, where the people voted, the electoral college was intended to confirm — or not — the people’s choice. Electors were to apply, in Hamilton’s words, “a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice” — and then decide…. [T]heir wisdom — about whether to overrule “the people” or not — was to be free of political control yet guided by democratic values. They were to be citizens exercising judgment, ?not cogs turning a wheel.
As Lessig states convincingly and with authority – the will of the people is Hillary Clinton. She won the majority of votes by a margin of over two and a half million people. It’s pretty simple. This is a Democracy, and if the winner of the Electoral College, but not the Popular Vote, is unfit to serve, then the elector’s sole responsibility is to elect the winner of the Popular Vote.
Whether you like her or not, the sizable majority of voters actually chose someone who is more qualified to be President than anyone in the last few decades, Hillary Clinton. Electors are obligated, by design, to elect her.
Clearly, there is little chance that they will do so if Americans don’t demand it. The Constitution allows for, and requires, civic involvement.
We need to stand up so profoundly that the Electors feel protected and supported for voting their conscience. By December 19th, those who feel an itch to speak up, but haven’t done so, are going to regret it. By January 21st, those who have remained uninvolved will have a hard time containing their regret. After January 21st, if something terrible happens, it will be impossible to justify having been silent when something still could have been done.
Fortunately, resources exist to help us, right now. http://asktheelectors.org is a simple tool to reach out to electors directly – use it to voice your concerns, and offer your support and thanks for their conscientious votes for Hillary Clinton. Sign a petition at Change.org, and share it on social media. Join in any public protest. And take every opportunity to speak honestly and earnestly to friends, family, neighbors, and coworkers, urging them all to join you in the fight for our shared future. If you are a Democrat, remind your Republican friends that if Trump had run as a Democrat – something he could have chosen to do – you’d be making the same argument. This isn’t about party. It’s about survival.
This article was cowritten by Roger Wolfson, a writer and activist
activist?
please save us from the ‘activists’ (which seems to be another word for a=shole.
brh
Activists are citizen patriots.
Jesus Christ was a political activist, if you believe in him, and there was also Thomas Paine. He and a number of other activists wrote the Constitution and created our “Republic, if we can keep it,” as Benjamin Franklin remarked.
Will we keep what is left of our democracy long enough to change it for the better, or will we, through complacency, just continue to slide
deeper into an authoritarian state?
This is a question many who have a grasp of world history far greater than ours are asking right now–so I don’t expect an answer.
65,250,299 … postmodernist, multicultural and feminist voters
62,686,023 … Trump voters
We are still the majority (by over 2 million votes) and we are still growing stronger. Demographics is on the side of miscegenation and diversity.
65,250,299 plus 62,686,023 equals 127,936,322
adds up to …………..two choices ?
Demographics is on the side of diversity?
On the contrary, this math indicates nothing to do with diversity.
” The President of the United States has complete and unilateral control over 1,900 active nuclear weapons. Due to advances in modern technology, the most common protocols for authorizing American nuclear weapons allow for as little as 90 seconds of reflection by the one person alive with the power to use them. How on Earth are any of us safe, how are our loved ones safe, when that person………”
Never mind the rest of the statement, the heart of the matter is here.
What is outlined here is the trouble.
That giving anyone such a power , under such conditions, is not thought mind-bogglingly crazy , is the trouble.
It’s like the Ring of Power in the Lord of the Rings, there is no such thing as a good idea in giving it to ANYONE.
( In the Lord of the Rings Frodo was never actually given the ring, he was merely appointed mailman , or armored car guard, and even that modest privilege almost transformed him into a Ring Wraith . )
Who you give it to is beside the point.
” ….and has been assessed by hundreds if not thousands of psychological professionals as having incurable Narcissistic Personality and Sociopathic Personality Disorders? ”
it doesn’t take any special education to see that at least one-fifth of the population has, ” Narcissistic Personality Disorder ” , and if they don’t, never fear, poor self-esteem and self-doubt is also deemed a disorder.
One might wonder who, then, is left fit to define such things, but, “scientifically” , never mind that !
These are the same professionals who define 8 – to – 18 year old boys as having an illness , ADHD, because they don’t have the aptitude to sit still in a room at a desk for 5 hours or more a day, like a good little girl , ( the very same type of girl that the feminist variety of these professionals never miss an opportunity to discount and or dismiss ) something which , for 10,000 years was simply thought normal, or even a virtue.
These are the same professionals who once defined female lust as an illness.
Despite the fact that the Encyclopedia Britannica states it as a simple fact that anal intercourse is a very unhealthy practice, you might as well take up chain-smoking, these professionals voted to ignore it, as they once voted not to ignore it, but to ” treat” it, treat it in a manner that looked a lot like torture.
But never mind all that embarrassing history.
It should be sufficient that, as Ayn Rand pointed out, ( And I don’t like her anymore than I like Trump )
” Psychology is like a magic wand , you wave it at someone , and bingo, like magic, a 15 or a 50 year old person is transformed into a 5 year old, and you may now dispense with treating that person as an equal. ”
That should give anyone pause.
65,250,299 … postmodernist, multicultural and feminist voters
ehr, more like 15 – 20 mil postmodernist, multicultural and feminist voters and a shitload of illegals
big bada shit…
Recount in Michigan
Hillary got a chance to find something until December 19 , when the electors should vote for President Trump: On the late night session of the court federal judge demanded a recount to begin immediately.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-rule-michigan-vote-recount-start-43970626
big bada shit…
FSB (fmr KGB): Foreign special services are preparing a cyber attack aimed at destabilizing the financial system of Russia
Russian Federal Security Service received information about the preparation by the foreign intelligence services in the period from December 5, 2016 large-scale cyber attacks in order to destabilize the financial system of the Russian Federation, including the activities of a number of major Russian banks.
As a result of operational search activities found that the server capacity and command and control centers for cyber attacks are located in the Netherlands and belong to «BlazingFast» Ukrainian hosting company.
Cyber attack is planned to accompany by the mass sending of SMS-messages and publications in social networks of provocative messages in relation to the crisis of credit and financial system in Russia, business failure and revocation of licenses of a number of leading banks of federal and regional significance. The action is aimed at several dozen Russian cities.
Russian FSB carried out tasks to neutralize the threats to economic and informational security of the Russian Federation and to document the impending action.
http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/press/message/single.htm%21id%3D10438041%40fsbMessage.html
big bada shit…
Demographics is on the side of miscegenation and diversity.
care to explain how that’s supposed to be good? like, just because people are mixing, does that make the environment better, or improve technology?
didn’t think so, vacuous man
Spoken like a white man about to lose privilege. Not your finest hour, Jim.
Ditto for many of the comments here. Boring, gentlemen!