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Of course, the Russian hacking blame-game story emanates from the security apparatus controlled by a Democratic Party executive establishment desperate to preserve its perks and privileges . (I write as a still-registered-but-disaffected Democrat). The reams of released emails from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, and other figures in HRC’s employ, depict a record of tactical mendacity, a gleeful eagerness to lie to the public, and a disregard for the world’s opinion that are plenty bad enough on their own. And Trump’s own fantastic gift for blunder could hardly be improved on by a meddling foreign power. The US political system is blowing itself to pieces.

I say this with the understanding that political systems are emergent phenomena with the primary goal of maintaining their control on the agencies of power at all costs. That is, it’s natural for a polity to fight for its own survival. But the fact that the US polity now so desperately has to fight for survival shows how frail its legitimacy is. It wouldn’t take much to shove it off a precipice into a new kind of civil war much more confusing and irresolvable than the one we went through in the 1860s.

Events and circumstances are driving the US insane literally. We can’t construct a coherent consensus about what is happening to us and therefore we can’t form a set of coherent plans for doing anything about it. The main event is that our debt has far exceeded our ability to produce enough new wealth to service the debt, and our attempts to work around it with Federal Reserve accounting fraud only makes the problem worse day by day and hour by hour. All of it tends to undermine both national morale and living standards, while it shoves us into the crisis I call the long emergency.

It’s hard to see how Russia benefits from America becoming the Mad Bull of a floundering global economy. Rather, the Evil Russia meme seems a projection of our country’s own insecurities and contradictions. For instance, we seem to think that keeping Syria viciously destabilized is preferable to allowing its legitimate government to restore some kind of order there. Russia has been on the scene attempting to prop up the Assad government while we are on the scene there doing everything possible to keep a variety of contestants in a state of incessant war. US policy in Syria has been both incoherent and tragically damaging to the Syrians.

The Russians stood aside while the US smashed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. We demonstrated adequately that shoving sovereign nations into civic failure is not the best way to resolve geopolitical tensions. Why would it be such a bad thing for the US to stand aside in Syria and see if the Russians can rescue that country from failure? Because they might keep a naval base there on the Mediterranean? We have scores of military bases around the region.

It’s actually pretty easy to understand why the Russians might be paranoid about America’s intentions. We use NATO to run threatening military maneuvers near Russia’s borders. We provoked Ukraine — formerly a province of the Soviet state — to become a nearly failed state, and then we complained foolishly about the Russian annexation of Crimea — also a former territory of the Soviet state and of imperial Russia going back centuries. We slapped sanctions on Russia, making it difficult for them to participate in international banking and commerce.

What’s really comical is the idea that Russia is using the Internet to mess with our affairs — as if the USA has no cyber-warfare ambitions or ongoing operations against them (and others, such as hacking Angela Merkel’s personal phone). News flash: every country with access to the Internet is in full hacking mode around the clock against every other country so engaged. Everybody’s doing it. It is perhaps a projection of America’s ongoing rape hysteria that we think we’re special victims of this universal activity.

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561 Responses to “The Odor of Desperation”

  1. charlesbasak October 17, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    Hi all,
    In my own personal rejoinder to this particularly odious election cycle spectacle I’ve decided to take to the streets, going door to door to encourage others not to partake on November 8th. Sometimes the only way to do something meaningful is to not sign on for something so meaningless! Not a solution to be sure, but intentionally not voting is perhaps a rally point for needed politicization in this emerging oligarchy. Here is a snapshot of the porch conversations and the propaganda I’ve employed thus far:

    • Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2016 at 9:52 am #

      Great post, as always, Jim. It really is a pathetic sight watching those within the Mainstream Media try to defend these two Crooked Clowns. These so-called “Reporters” & “Journalists” will do anything, like the WHORES they are, for a buck — ANYTHING. Up to and including dressing up the Fecal Matter that is/are the two candidates for POTUS as though they’re a Hot Fudge Sundae and a Banana Split versus the Perfidious Piles of Putrefaction they really are. Yes, I know, heretofore one would have thought it impossible to apply lipstick to shit, but via The Miracle of Modern Media, it can now be accomplished with proper focus & determination.

      In time, all things are possible and probable, including Nuclear War, or most especially Nuclear War. I watched a short clip of The Day After, the Bombing Sequence, yesterday to prepare myself for what’s to come. Either candidate will bring us to the brink of Nuclear War with Russia. It’s like the Russian Roulette scene from the excellent film The Deerhunter. One Shot. The world had One Shot to get it right, meaning True Peace In Our Day, when the Soviet Union collapsed. We, or I should say THEY (Larry Summers et al), blew it. Soon, it will be time to Pay the Piper. Be prepared to Duck & Cover, but this time FOR REAL.

      This week I have two offerings for the price of one, even though it’s all free all the time. Jim, you may want to reconsider your vote for Hillary. I saw this morning that Al Shaprton is on record as saying he will leave the country if Trump becomes POTUS. That, in and of itself, above all else, is worthy of a vote for Trump. Am I right? Or am I right?

      Basic Human Decency

      Hey Hey Hey!!!

      • Walter B October 17, 2016 at 10:07 am #

        Our form of government supposedly requires we, the citizens, to participate with a lot more than just voting and so I usually tell people that it is the least they can do to only vote. However, this retarded mutation of an “election” is so ridiculous, evil IMHO, that there is only ONE thing that we as American citizen must do, or rather NOT do and that is accept the incumbent policy of global rape and murder which is the mantra of the Clinton Crime Family. As a voter casts a ballot for Her Royal Highness or when the process itself cheats Her into office by treacherous means and we accept Her, those who do will not only sacrifice their souls, their spirits if you will, and will assume the debt incurred by the continuation of the crimes against humanity (possibly even a Third World War) perpetrated by America – the New Roman/British Globe Raping Empire. Trump may or may not embrace this policy and clearly the Military-Industrial Complex masters fear that he will not, but Hillary will take this to new levels of evil I promise you. Perhaps your idea of non-participation is the best route. At least by doing so you do not accept responsibility for the Crime Spree that will follow. We are in serious trouble this is certain.

        • zekesdad October 17, 2016 at 11:49 am #

          Wait until Hillary gets elected and pack the Supreme Court with people like Elizabeth Warren.

          • SteveO October 17, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

            I’d rather that than a Scallia clone.

            Maybe corporate persons will lose some of their rights/privileges as super citizens.

          • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

            How is Hillary going to “pack” the Supreme Court when the Republican Congress refuses to fulfill its Constitutional Duty by refusing to vote on Supreme Court nominees made by Democratic presidents?

        • charlesbasak October 17, 2016 at 2:09 pm #

          I can’t say you are wrong, Walter! Things have been so wrong long before this moment, and it’s hard to tell if the hole is dug too deep for any of us to get out alive, or if we still have a chance of getting back to a proper balance, however far away that is. We must tread carefully, but still tread on and not waiver and wait and see what happens. I suppose this is one of the few ways in which I feel I still have some power to provoke a change, and that is talking to my fellow (soon to be more) downtrodden. Waiting and seeing is giving a pass to the raping and pillaging that has happened and is sure to continue, and I personally cannot accept such a position.

      • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 10:26 am #

        Will he take Tawana Brawley with him? A “twofer” would be an irresistible incentive.

      • capt spaulding October 17, 2016 at 11:23 am #

        One of the late night talk show hosts compared this election cycle to the last 10 minutes of a slasher movie. Couldn’t agree more.

        • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 11:54 am #

          That’s too funny. Extrapolate that to the debate stage. Ugh!!!

      • Dumbedup October 18, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

        “In time, all things are possible and probable, including Nuclear War, or most especially Nuclear War. I watched a short clip of The Day After, the Bombing Sequence, yesterday to prepare myself for what’s to come. Either candidate will bring us to the brink of Nuclear War with Russia. It’s like the Russian Roulette scene from the excellent film The Deerhunter. One Shot. The world had One Shot to get it right, meaning True Peace In Our Day, when the Soviet Union collapsed. We, or I should say THEY (Larry Summers et al), blew it. Soon, it will be time to Pay the Piper. Be prepared to Duck & Cover, but this time FOR REAL.”

        You’re just peddling your dystopia to hustle people to your blog. The same reasons that have kept the US, China and Russia from nuclear war for the last 65+ years still apply. Such a war could not be contained and It would render the entire planet uninhabitable for all living things – at least in any way that would allow those who would sponsor or encourage such a catastrophe might benefit from the result.

        I will grant you that a nuclear terrorist event is possible and even likely in the not too distant future. But the chance it would escalate to WWIII is unlikely. Perhaps more unlikely with Clinton in the WH than with Trump. I can imagine Trump ordering his generals to launch a strike in a rage over some article in RT.

        What worries me with Clinton in the WH is an escalation of regional conflicts, more Ukraine like events, currency wars and cyber warfare. Clinton will drag this out for 8 more years while Trump would likely get it over in a rush.

        • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 7:30 am #

          No, the same reasons do not apply. This blog discusses Peak Resources — 65 years ago Peak Resources was a ridiculous notion. Resources were considered unlimited, unless, of course, you were Japan and had to conquer the world to extract the resources from target countries so you would no longer be held over a barrel. FDR knew that about Japan, and he exploited that vulnerability with his Oil Embargo thus goading, albeit it didn’t take much, Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor and giving him the Major Distraction America needed as he instituted measures to save The Oligarchy from certain elimination via Popular Revolt.

          Putin, for example, has no checks & balances like a Soviet Premier had. He has the power of ONE. Whether or not Russia engages in Nuclear War depends entirely on HIS state of mind — his disposition. I agree that is not the case for America since America is ruled by the Intelligence Services, but, collectively, the Intelligence Services has lost its fucking mind and therefore cannot be trusted not to employ the Samson Option if it feels it can no longer rule the day and have its way.

          As resources diminish precipitously, the risk is that these Psychotics, Putin in Russia and The Intelligence Services in The West, are going to double down because there is going to be one ORGANIC crisis after another that overshadows the INORGANIC crises they have been fomenting for more than half a century now and they will not, and do not, have a cogent plan for dealing with the coming maelstrom Mother Nature has in store for them and us. Like Trapped Rats, they will shrink back into their Reptilian Brain and seek to annihilate that which they can’t have & control any longer.

    • drdream October 17, 2016 at 10:45 am #

      I’ve thought the same for a long time Charles. Nice to hear a young person write so eloquently. I won’t see you on Nov 8.

    • lsjogren October 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm #

      I sympathize.

      I feel that our system has reached the point where there is no mechanism for constructive change, probably even if the people were to get enough of a clue to demand that change.

      But the one thing I believe we can still do is declare to our leaders- they may be in charge, but in our eyes they are neither legitimate nor do they deserve anything other than contempt.

      • SidewaysFacingDog October 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

        “the one thing I believe we can still do is declare to our leaders- they may be in charge, but in our eyes they are neither legitimate nor do they deserve anything other than contempt.”

        One thing?-Not true. Your tax dollars feed the beast. You are literally buying the bullets that oppress you and your fellow citizens; as well as fund the Invasion-of-the-Month Club. You really thing that the power elite cares what you think? Cute. They care what you do.

        The most effective thing that anyone can do is not pay taxes. That act is an existential threat to the Welfare/Warfare State. Everything else they can deal with.

        “Let them march all they like, so long as they pay their taxes.”
        ~Alexander Haig, Sec’y of State, Reagan Administration

    • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm #

      “if they lock themselves in to electoral politics as being the be-all-and-end-all” –from charlesbasak leaflet

      Voting once a year, or once every four years, does not signify a belief that electoral politics is “the be-all-and-end-all” … Voting is just one the of many duties of a citizen participating in the betterment of his or her community.

      If you were advocating anarchism, the complete abolition of the state, your anti-voting campaign would make sense. From your leaflet it does not appear you are taking a principled anarchist position.

    • ienvan October 17, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

      Question. How can one tell if refusal to partake in The Circus is protest or apathy? Would it not be better to go in and spoil the ballot?

    • Frankiti October 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm #

      Yeah that will show them! Why don’t you show up at a polling station and shake your fist while you’re at it?

  2. seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 9:55 am #

    The rubber necking of this 11 car pile up is approaching Road Runner type proportions. This is so ugly that parents are making their children evacuate the living room when one of the candidates speaks. That same candidate is lambasting the victims of his sexual predation as being to ugly to cause an assault. This is his reasoning. He is threatening to put his opponent in jail if he wins. I hope Wednesday Hillary knocks him out. I hope he melts down on stage, like the Wicked Witch of Atlantic City, leaving nothing but Jello shots and casino chips for remains, capped by that insufferable orange rug. I’m sure nary a fly would land on such a toxic stew.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

      And you also think Van Morrison’s song, “My Brown Eyed Girl” is about anal sex. You are both clueless and ugly, with mendacity to burn against those who aren’t.

      • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

        You may be correct regarding Morrison, but what of Springsteen and his “Pink Cadillac”?

      • seawolf77 October 19, 2016 at 11:12 am #

        So is “Back Door Man” about a guy who comes in though the back door? Like Jack Nicolson’s character in “Terms of Endearment,” when the Shirley McClain character invites him over and says “The back door is open.”
        And is “Walkin the Dog” actually about taking your pet for a stroll or is it about S**kin a D**k?
        And is “Pearl Necklace” really about a piece of jewelry? Jesus you are thick.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 11:11 am #


          – “My Ding-A-Ling” by Chuck Berry is about the bell on his bicycle.

          – “Whip It” by Devo is about a horse race.

          – “I Touch Myself” by DiVinyls is an impassioned call for agrarian reform in Paraguay.

        • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

          “Back Door Man””


          …The men don’t know, but the little girls…understand!

    • abbybwood October 17, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

      Do you mean like the fly that landed on Hillary Clinton’s toxic stew face during the last debate?:


      THAT kind of fly??!!

  3. newworld October 17, 2016 at 10:02 am #

    When Bill Clinton bit his lip and muttered “I feel your pain.” our fates were sealed.

    The public spectacle of our politics has since 1992 been reduced to the id of a neurotic aging white woman having gal talk with her precious and slutty daughter.

    Not much of a serious matter can come from that.

  4. dannyboy October 17, 2016 at 10:11 am #

    “The main event is that our debt has far exceeded our ability to produce enough new wealth to service the debt… shoves us into the crisis I call the long emergency.”

    wait a second

    I am a relatively recent commenter here, but i was under the impression that the thesis was that Peak Oil will shoves us into the crisis I call the long emergency.”

    did that emergency blow over?

    • James Howard Kunstler October 17, 2016 at 10:34 am #

      More like peak affordable oil. That’s what is behind our inability to produce enough wealth to service our debt. But the discontents of finance alone are now severe enough to shove us off the edge. — JHK

      • shotho October 17, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

        The energy market is simply one ingredient in the toxic stew of global finance and, not necessarily, the most important one.

    • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 10:35 am #

      Well, you know what they say…”when you’re up to your ass in alligators….” Peak Oil is but one of the existential issues we face, and in “The Long Emergency”, one that is not necessarily precedent….

  5. orbit7er October 17, 2016 at 10:16 am #

    I do not like Hillary Clinton and I will be voting for Jill Stein and working from day zero to force Hillary to support the progressive agenda and Green Transition we need to sustain civilization. But I am actually hopeful due to Trumps abetting Republicans self-destruction.
    Obama and the Corporate Democrats HAVE been trying to do some of the things we need to do – supporting solar energy, ending oil companies subsidies, ending coal powered electric plants, supporting High Speed or even Conventional Rail and Green public transit. But the Republican wrecking crew fights every move in the interests of their Oil-Soaked backers. We would already have Rail running across Ohio from Cincinnati to Dayton to Columbus to Cleveland using just conventional Rail on existing tracks if not for Gov Kasich and his Paving Lobbyist Transportation Head. The NYC tunnel would be 2 years from completion if not for Gov Christie’s halt to the desperately need new tunnels and his absconding with $7 Billion for more highway lanes instead. High Speed Rail would be close to completion from Tampa to Orlando.
    It is little noted that Obama slipped in a version of the decades long pre-Reagan public transit operating subsidies in one of the budget compromises a few years ago. If Hillary wins, the Democrats win the Senate and come close to winning the House plus get a progressive on the Supreme Court we can actually make some progress as California has been doing since the Republicans were pushed into permanent minority status there.
    It is NOT too late to restore our Rail network! I just went driving down Route 23 in New Jersey currently mostly suburban sprawl blight and noticed that the tracks are still there paralleling it all the way to Vernon, New Jersey, Warwick, New York and another branch to Sparta, New Jersey. It will not cost that much compared to $78 Million for one highway cloverleaf to restore the tracks to passenger level service, get some train cars and restore service as proposed for decades by the Sussex County Freeholders, train advocates and the New Jersey Association of Rail Passengers.
    Massachusetts revived the Cape Cod Flyer several years ago on existing tracks for just a few million dollars,. It continues to exceed ridership projections and increase its ridership:


    But it will take grassroots global mobilization to make the changes happen we need!

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    • newworld October 17, 2016 at 10:30 am #

      Just to let you know when we on the right inflict our cisgendered white patriarchal fascism upon the country I will personally from my reichoffice put you in charge of bike paths and kayak suitable waterways (I like both)

      That bit of poor humor aside the real enemies of public transport are on the Left, you are such an outnumbered minority within the D party that you make birtherism look mainstream.

      • orbit7er October 17, 2016 at 10:41 am #

        Nope that is changing quickly. In the past the limousine liberal Sierra Club members thought that private electric cars would resolve the issues with Auto Addiction. That has been changing as Naomi Klein and other Environmentalists have been realizing that only Green public transit can resolve our issues with Climate Change sustainably. (Many still do not speak of Peak Oil 🙁 )
        Hence the Victory Plan for Climate Mobilization explicitly calls for a vast increase in Green public transit to replace private Auto Addiction like the US did from 1942-45.
        See pages 50-64 of the Victory Plan:


        And the actual Document:


        • newworld October 17, 2016 at 10:54 am #

          I disagree because simply you know those white people who no longer matter as we are told by the Left, that is you.

          The People of Color want more not less and the People of Color will soon dominate the D establishment and they will try and get more

          Go ahead and tell a D voting Person of Color he/she cannot have a car specifically or more in general, it won’t go well for you.

          Those puff pieces on immigrant success stories are not about less they are about immigrant gets more, so much more that it proves immigrants can get more, deserve more because they get more. tautology I know

          But thanks for bike paths

          • malthuss October 17, 2016 at 11:08 am #

            I am told the UN sets our traffic regulations, as part of A2030.

            Is this true?

          • BackRowHeckler October 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm #

            … and not just a car, but a Gangsta Ride, with tinted windows, large wheels adorned with ‘spinner’ hubcaps, tricked out stereo system blasting ‘GhostFaceKilla’, and a special secret compartment to conceal the Glock 9mm.


          • S M Tenneshaw October 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm #

            I feel a song comin’ on.


            Though you may not drive a great big Cadillac
            Gangsta whitewalls
            TV antennas in the back
            You may not have a car at all
            But remember brothers and sisters
            You can still stand tall

        • DrTomSchmidt October 17, 2016 at 1:00 pm #

          Just so we are clear: we had a SUPERB public transit infrastructure in this country, best in the world, with privately-owned subways and transit systems in NYC, for one example. Then, starting in the 1920s, the Federal Government began to subsidize the building of roads, ingautos and buses take away market share from trolleys. This led to a negative feedback loop of declining revenue leading to declining service, and so on down.

          Now, you tell me, this same Federal Government is going to get transit correct? Count me doubtful.

          Better, indeed, to have Democrats focus on state governments, where they can make decisions that are locally optimal, instead of from one central decision point in Babylon on the Potomac. I trust Jerry Brown and Andrew Cuomo FAR more than I could ever trust Hillary Clinton. And if they screw up, the damage is limited to California and New York.

          • orbit7er October 18, 2016 at 11:33 am #

            Andrew Cuomo has NOT been a friend to Green Transit despite his legendary statement that Hurricane Sandy and its devastation were due to Climate Change. He is wasting billions on building a new Auto Addiction only Tappan Zee bridge which will actually do NOTHING to help with the massive traffic jams there every day. To do so Cuomo tried to use Clean Water funds as if Auto Addiction is going to clean the water? Also despite the desires of the local New York communities for Green Transit LightRail instead of paving over even more of their land with the exit/entrance ramps for the new bridge. And despite the fact that for years the long laid plans for a new Tappan Zee bridge were focused on Rail.,LightRail or at the very least (and worst option) Bus Rapid Transit. Furthermore Cuomo has consistently cut MetroNorth and other regional transit while per usual wasting billions on Corporate tax breaks. For which his top aides are now facing criminal investigation for the usual graft, corruption and bribery…
            As with Fracking Cuomo will change only under immense grassroots pressure…

    • zekesdad October 17, 2016 at 11:47 am #

      For the record: There are no “subsidies” to the oil industry. You are confusing that with the depletion allowance which is similar to depreciation taken by manufacturing and other companies.

    • shotho October 17, 2016 at 4:51 pm #

      What exactly is the “progressive agenda” and civilization has been getting along very well without “green transition” for several millennia. By the way, you’re free to turn off your lights and stop driving your car any time you want.

    • ienvan October 17, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

      A voice of sanity…

  6. pequiste October 17, 2016 at 10:26 am #

    What JIm is smelling – up there in the autumnal beauty of upper New York State – is not desperation, but rather the stench of civilizational decay, rot and, of course, feces.

    The political system especially has reached its nadir in the U.S.A. as evidenced by the stunning Clinton vs. Trump shitshow, as JHK points out.

    And the calling out of Russia as the hacker bogeyman in this election, and interloper in Syria, while the U.S.A. under the leadership of Barack “Barry Soetoro” Hussein Obama, Nobel Prize peace laureate; causes military mischief and mayhem from the South China Sea, to Yemen, Somalia and Libya, among other garden spots, is just another days work for a government that has become criminally psychotic.

    But the U.S.A. is a victim of that mean Julian Assange and the vindictive Edward Snowden fellow. Just paradigmatic examples of the Culture of Victimhood in our Terminal Times.


    Reminds me of the redolence of that darned dead raccoon that was just discovered, its head stuck in-between the rafters of the garage, after two weeks. P.U.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 1:43 pm #

      What is more beautiful than the smell of decaying, brightly colored leaves on the ground? Enjoy the ride down. It’s going to hit bottom real hard. Civilizations change color as they die, as both a symptom of decay and as an accelerator and cause of the same.

      • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

        Beautiful isn’t a smell. That’s like saying what is more aromatic than poorly composed sentence.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

          Advanced people develop something similar to synaesthesia (sp?). It’s a poetic type thing, not something you’d understand. For you, it will always sound like “Teddy Bears smell blue” because you can’t actually experience it.

          • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

            Nothing stinks like a shitty sentence. Terms you can grasp…and grope as the case may be.

        • pequiste October 18, 2016 at 12:59 am #


          What does Seawolf mean by saying “beautiful isn’t a smell.”??

          To Humans:

          A freshly bathed baby – that is a wonderful aroma right there: beautiful.

          The fragrance of a lady, dressed (or en deshabille) after the spa.

          A forest after a rainstorm.

          Smoking tires and gasoline to NASCAR fans.

          The rocky beach with pounding surf.

          Some BBQ roasting on the fire.

          CHannel #5.

          A rose.

          Seawolf, your statement is reflective of the fact that people in our world are suffering from anesthesia viz. they are without (numb to) aesthetics.

          I blame it on many things but mostly the “educational system” and also corporate cultural products to include TV; popular music; and film. Add the false sensorium of cyberspace and you produce residents in a culture that think beautiful doesn’t smell.

          Ask your dog (if you have one) if that fire hydrant doesn’t smell beautiful: a canine’s olfactory symphony.

          Ask a blind person if you don’t believe me.

          Close your eyes and open your mind………………..you, me, and everyone else is going to need all of the senses working properly especially after this system collapses.

          • seawolf77 October 18, 2016 at 10:50 am #

            Jesus were you raised by a pack of therapists?

  7. K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 10:29 am #

    ‘What’s really comical is the idea that Russia is using the Internet to mess with our affairs — as if the USA has no cyber-warfare ambitions or ongoing operations against them.’

    I have to agree that’s comical. The best hacker in the world is the American Government who hacks computers from Iranian nuclear centrifuges to computers that tend to be used only for reading negative political content like his week’s article by American citizens.

    It is a a sea to shining sea sort of thing with the whole world being the shore and us being the sand. It is a function of budgets and paranoia that the American people is not fully aware of and of which they really do not care about.

    With all the mental horsepower of the walking dead, the American People buy the argument that all the hacking and spying is all done to keep them safe and the American People reject the advice of all previous generations before them who knew privacy was vital to the operation of a free state and to preserve the civil rights of the people.

    With Hillary in charge those budgets will increase and color revolutions will have to be called something else since she will soon run out of colors. If green has not yet been used she can use that color for her war on the evil weed which will continue to be sending huge numbers of Americans to prison for no good reason for at least the next four years. Rodan the Flying Reptile will be making sure that the more things change the more they stay the same.

    • K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 10:30 am #

      like this week’s article by American citizens.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

      So is that why you’re glad that Internationalists took control over the internet? I mean maybe we could have reigned in our politicians, but there’s no chance now that it’s out of our hands. One (this one) is reminded of the alien who said to Captain Pike after he escaped, Now you are on the surface where we wanted you to be.

  8. orbit7er October 17, 2016 at 10:32 am #

    Another important point about Hillary Clinton and the Clintons in general. They are politicians who bend with the winds not principled Ayn Rand free market ideologues or Christian Taliban extremists.
    As Hillary showed in her primary battles with Bernie Sanders she WILL change positions with enough popular political pressure. As Millenials and the Climate Change Movement continue with actions like the Standing Rock Sioux against the Dakota Access Pipeline Hillary will
    reluctantly bend to the pressure. Bernie Sanders will still be in the Senate probably with an influential Committee Chair and his list of
    millions of supporters to mobilize. And Elizabeth Warren, despite the desperate please of Hillary’s Wall Street backers will continue throwing thunderbolts in the interests of the 99% vs the Wall Street financial scams.
    Unlike Obama, there is now way grassroots progressives are going to fold up their tents and shut up after the Hillary inauguration…

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

      If so, she shouldn’t have supported Hillary’s campaign. Both her and Bernie have disgraced themselves and cannot be trusted. Putting Party before the Nation is corruption no matter which side does it.

      • abbybwood October 17, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

        Jill Stein actually made a comment on CSPAN that it would be safer to vote for Trump than for Clinton in regard to WW III.

        Gary Johnson claims to be an “anti-interventionist”.

        If Stein and Johnson had any love for this country and the planet they would both throw their support to Trump to save us all from Hillary “No Fly Zone in Syria” Clinton.

        Everybody knows that a “No Fly Zone” would mean grounding the Syrian air force by bombing it’s runways. And it would also mean that the United States would shoot Russian jets out of the skies over Syria which could quickly lead to WW III.

        I am a Progressive who was registered as a Democrat for decades and switched to The Green Party right after Sanders endorsed Clinton and the overt corruption of the DNC was made obvious to all.

        In just reading the excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s Goldman Sachs speeches and seeing how she casually talks of militarily obliterating Iran, killing millions, I find her to be a far more grave danger against life on Earth than Donald Trump.

        The “cad” or the “criminal” on November 8th?:


        I wanted to vote for Stein, but I prefer going “all in” against Clinton.

        I’m voting for “the cad”.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

          Bravo for your clarity and welcome aboard the Trump Train. This Train is bound for Glory, this Train!

          There are no breaks and that’s by design. You will see the Glory of the Rise of Drumpf Dynasty and be proud that you joined.

          Where did she go? I think she jumped off. Is it something I said? I took a shower….

          • venuspluto67 October 24, 2016 at 8:55 am #

            Eh, she’s probably in the dining car smoking a blunt. 😉

        • DrTomSchmidt October 17, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

          I miss old-line Democrats like tip O’Neill. Jimmy Carter also struck me as a decent man, as was former Democrat Ronald Reagan. Even Dukakis. Since him, however, I’ve gotten a sick feeling from everyone but Dole. Like JHK, I was let down from my too-high expectations of BHO.

  9. venuspluto67 October 17, 2016 at 10:33 am #

    This article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is a rather long but very essential read for understanding the current situation in Syria in its proper context.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 10:45 am #

      To view Syria as a mere war for monetary interests is an oversimplification of the problem. It goes much deeper than that.

      • venuspluto67 October 24, 2016 at 8:54 am #

        I know that the historical Sunni versus Shia stuff plays a major role, too, but when it comes to worldwide geopolitics, I tend to be a “follow the money” sort.

    • noel bodie October 17, 2016 at 10:56 am #

      Before I read the article let me say that last week PBS ran a 2 hour FRONTLINE that was very informative on ISIS. IMHO the Prez has done a great service keeping our sons and daughters out of the mess that is Syria. i’m starting to think the chaos in the ME is the result of proxies all fighting to see who will be on top…SA(Wahhabi) or Iran(Shia). Better to stay clear til the contest resolves.

      • noel bodie October 17, 2016 at 11:34 am #

        Ok I read the article and agree and encourage others to take the time to read..livery informative. Thanks, Venus for the link.

  10. FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 10:37 am #

    Hillary Clinton: “We discovered Japan”

    “We” are going to “ring China” with the US military;

    We discovered Japan for Heaven sakes

    We have as much claim to call all of Pacific. And we could call it American Sea, and it could go from the West Coast of California all the way to Philippines.

    We are going to ring China with missile defense, We are going to put more of our fleet in the area.


    How could anybody morally equate that war-mongering witch with Donald Trump, is beyond by comprehension.

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  11. Ragnar October 17, 2016 at 10:43 am #

    The election, as horrific as it maybe, is not without it’s impending distractions. Starting this week, a good number of folks who are still gainfully employed with be finding out bad the increase in health care premiums will be. I just had a preview of mine and between premium increases, deductible increases and other hits, I am looking at about a $3500 increase year over year, without any hope of a raise sufficient to offset the increases. I think my employer is unusually humane in this department and am certain it will be much worse for friends of mine. Add that to the simmering angst on the street ! The onset of the Mosul offensive will likely precipitate blow back somewhere in the civilized world and we have Houthi rebels targeting the US navy off Yemen. There are so many potential side shows in the offing it’s hard to keep track of them. Then you have the specter of the post election fiasco since it’s unlikely either candidate will accept the vote and move on.

    • Elrond Hubbard October 19, 2016 at 11:50 am #

      It stuns me that people have to deal with things like that in the richest, most advanced country in the world. A $3,500 year over year increase, seriously? What garbage.

      The U.S. has the most inefficient health care system in the world — bloated with expenses, yet with outcomes no better than far poorer countries. Just have a look at this chart from 2013:


      The U.S. has the same aggregate life expectancy as the Czech Republic, despite spending 4x as much per capita on health care. Pathetic. But the solution is obvious: Remove the profit motive from health care and go to single payer. All those untold billions of “health-care” dollars that are simply going to waste now could be spent on something that makes people’s lives better. Even porn (sex-positive, female-empowering porn) would be an improvement.

  12. sprawlcapital October 17, 2016 at 10:57 am #

    This morning, I can not do better than comment on the high quality of the writing here.

    First and foremost, a great post once again, Jim.

    Perfidious Piles of Putrefaction [Heavy-duty alliteration, Cold. Thanks for that.]

    The promise to leave, from Al Sharpton. LOL!! [Thanks also to Cold.]

    I hope he melts down on stage, like the Wicked Witch of Atlantic City, leaving nothing but Jello shots and casino chips for remains, capped by that insufferable orange rug. I’m sure nary a fly would land on such a toxic stew. [A vivid image, to say the least. Made my day! Nice work, Seawolf.]

  13. malthuss October 17, 2016 at 11:09 am #

    Notes from the Edge,

    in a city of 35,000 people namely Grants Pass, Oregon. If anyone can walk and/or drive around this city and see the empty buildings for lease or for sale, the many houses listed for sale, former big retail stores closed and tell the world the economy is going just fine, they are either liars or stupid. Go to any city in any state and you will see the same thing.
    You can’t drink the water out of the tap and the whole infrastruction is crumbling. When I was told that the Social Security Trust fund had $3 trillion dollars in it I thought something was drastically wrong. Yes, but those $3 trillion dollars are in IOU’s. This government trust fund, like all the other government trust funds are empty.
    The National Debt is at about $19 trillion. The Johnson, Nixon, Bush, and Cheney wars cleaned out all the government trust funds. Let’s face it people, rich or poor or those once the middle class,
    I am 80 years old and I have never seen things in this bad of shape

    • K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 11:24 am #

      But the message is elect more of the same and it will all be good. The fear of the raging Trump bull makes your math irrelevant.

      Pied pipers are leading the American people to doom who in a hapless march are too glued to phone screens to notice the frowzy stinky swamp they are walking into. A swamp from which there will be no return.

    • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

      You are familiar with Grants Pass? I lived there for 30 years…younger brother is a former Chief of Police. I have not been back to the city in a few years, but saw no vacancies in untoward amount last time there. The city is bolstered by retired/relatively well off ex-pats from California et al. They still have a good tax base and functioning infrastructure.

      The County, however, is a fucking mess….

      • malthuss October 17, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

        Do you know of the 1990 circa federal Building? Billion dollar building in a small city.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

        Roy Masters chose to lead his flock there. How bad can it be? He’s a Jeweler, a Hypnotist, and a Christian Mystic. He hates almost every one and every thing – as all good men must. He loves Trump – as all good men should.

        • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 6:53 pm #

          You mean the County Prison? As I recall it did not cost anywhere near 40 Million. My best friend was the Project Manager for the build. He came in on time and under budget…true story.

        • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 6:56 pm #

          I knew Roy Masters, and his kids…been out to his “ranch” in Selma. Spent quite a bit of time with his kids, they were businessmen in the area. You did know they are members of the tribe?

          • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 8:59 pm #

            Are you a follower or practice his form of meditation? He made no sense whatsoever to me when I first listened – just horrible negativity. Older and wiser, he makes far too much sense now.

            He seems to sincerely love America and I’ve never detected any Jewish bias. He does seem to have left all that behind. On the other hand, I haven’t listened or read him in a long time – and I’m much more perceptive now on that question.

          • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 10:00 pm #

            Not a follower in any sense. Just knew the family.

  14. michael October 17, 2016 at 11:12 am #

    We have a problem with overproduction and not enough demand.
    The central banks are doing their utmost to ignite more feverish consumption — enforced gluttony if you will.

    But it is not working.
    There is however a consumer bigger and more voracious than all others: the state of war.
    Cruise missiles fly and then they just disappear and much disappears with them. Same with bombs. Houses, bridges, people, cities all are consumed.
    But there is more to it. The desire for such is already spread into the global psychic field as violent activity of all sorts takes hold everywhere
    and violence becomes and end in itself.
    I remind you of the absurdly violent computer games the operation of which is considered quite normal and harmless.

    Now when there are to many people and the cake is not growing
    fewer people are the solution and there really is no peaceful path to that. Jared Diamond in one of his books reports that the Ruwandan genocide started out as one ethnic groups against another but soon evolved into action of each against all. He also reports that _great relief_ was felt by all upon discovery of the greatly reduced numbers once the dust settled and the blood drained away.

    This is the grim reality and, I submit, is unconsciously felt and acknowledged by many. It is therefore only a question of time before we find ourselves in a general war so that the new can arise from the ashes of the old.

    • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 11:31 am #

      When I first say this you’ll balk, but believe me it is true. When Cain brought his sacrifice to the Lord, it was in the form of plants and grains. When Abel brought his, it was an animal, a blood sacrifice. God rejected Cain’s and embraced Abel’s. So Cain killed Abel and gave God the ultimate blood sacrifice. Today we eat animals. We kill 80 billion a year. Every day is a holocaust for animals, and don’t kid yourself, it is hardly humane. I challenge anyone here to look at film of a slaughterhouse and not want to go vegan. Climate change is driven by the eating of animals. So is deforestation. Not only is it incredibly cruel, it is so unhealthy cancer rates are through the roof. Heart disease is an epidemic. Eating animal protein is NOT good for you. Once we realize another sentient being gave it’s life so you could stuff your fat face with hamburger, then the world will begin to change. Once we root out the cruelty of our nourishment, humanity will change. Until then. hasta la vista baby.

    • malthuss October 17, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

      I saw a book on Amazon last nite.
      The titke escapes me, saved this,

      An unforgettable firsthand account of a people’s response to genocide and what it tells us about humanity.
      This remarkable debut book chronicles what has happened in Rwanda and neighboring states since 1994, when the Rwandan government called on everyone in the Hutu majority to murder everyone in the Tutsi minority. Though the killing was low-tech–largely by machete–it was carried out at shocking speed: some 800,000 people were exterminated in a hundred days. A Tutsi pastor, in a letter to his church president, a Hutu, used the chilling phrase that gives Philip Gourevitch his title.

  15. beantownbill. October 17, 2016 at 11:14 am #

    We don’t know for sure, but probability says Hillary will win the election in a few weeks. Instead of hand-wringing, it would be helpful to share your ideas on how to cope with another president Clinton.

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    • K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 11:30 am #

      Alcohol will be the only approved relief from endless hand-wringing. Everything else will get you in trouble. The higher proof the better as Hillary well knows herself. I believe she is quite a fan of the grape as rumors of her drinking do emerge from time to time rather consistently.

      Going with the flow having a heroin addict as president by 2024 should be no problem.

      • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 11:59 am #

        Alcohol is the lubricant of the past, not the balm of the present.

        • K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

          Ah, but with Hillary the past is our future!

    • zekesdad October 17, 2016 at 11:41 am #

      The best way would be for the Republicans in Congress to grow a spine. That would assume that they are still in the majority next year which isn’t at all certain.

    • abbybwood October 17, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

      Go to D.C. for her Inauguration with thousands of others and turn your back on the whole thing.

  16. bossier56 October 17, 2016 at 11:25 am #

    It is worse than y’all think. I got some shocking information from this super secret web site.
    Back in 2013, Hillary was on a diplomatic mission to South Korea and she keeled over dead. Luckily, the Koreans are super smart . They had this AI robot of her ready to go. They downloaded what they could of her brain and fired her up. Unknown to the Koreans the big shots had downloaded this program that would allow her to hook up to Sky Net the first day in the Oval Office.
    Obama part in all of this was brilliant . All that birther/Muslim stuff was just a smoke screen. Not only is he constitutional scholar and community organizer but also a licensed master electrician . He secretly retired the Oval Office so Hillary could hook up to Sky Net.
    The elite had a back up plan. JEB! He got run over a by a car back when he was governor of Florida. Nobody noticed for four or five days so they flew in another robot from Seoul. They had to bring it through Havana, so they had to promise Fidel his own robot. There was a conflict because he wanted it to look the way he did in 1959. Anyhow, there was something wrong with the JEB! bot. It had trouble getting out of its own way, but it could still hook up to Sky Net. The Hillary model can run about eighty in a short burst. She stops in to Stepford NJ ever so often for a fund raiser(battery change?)
    Trump threw a monkey wrench into the plan. So the CIA brought in a Trump robot. It immediately went rogue. Now they are not sure if it real Trump or bot Trump. If it’s real Trump. Well we all know that ain’t good.
    So , hang on to your hats boys and girls because this bronco is fixing to buck. With Hillary you get Sky Net, with Trump you get Sky Net or Russian roulette .
    Now I know you CFN people are a skeptical bunch. I got this info out of a server based out of Ricks Cafe American in Casablanca Morocco. I’m told reliable information has been coming out of there since World War Two

    • K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 11:33 am #

      We were with you till you mentioned. Ricks.

  17. swmnguy October 17, 2016 at 11:25 am #

    I’ve always enjoyed reading history. Primary sources, written by witnesses, if possible. Particularly if those sources describe what daily life was like for ordinary people.

    In most histories, whole decades and even centuries can be covered in a paragraph or a few, if no particularly dramatic events happened. Perspective matters, too. Some events seem momentous at the time, and indeed are, but other times the true turning points end up being things nobody paid much attention to when they happened. And of course some events that are sensational prove not to be all that important in the grand scheme of things.

    With the wonders of the internet and the 24-hour news cycle, it’s hard to sort the wheat from the chaff. Too much data, not enough information, virtually no analysis. In the competition for attention, too much data is presented as analysis, with loud voices substituting for actual thought.

    Over my 50 years (and counting, I hope), I’ve recognized that I’m not actually very good at very many things. The one thing I’ve consistently done well is to sort information. In fact, looking back, that’s really all I’ve ever done. In every job, every aspect of my life, I find a pile of mess of information and start sorting it into piles either actual or metaphorical. Usually I get halfway through and notice a pattern that forces me to start over, re-sorting. Then I distribute the pile of information that seems of interest to Person #1, the pile to Person #2, etc., and they send me back the information they don’t think pertains to them, and I re-start the sorting. I did it as a frycook, forklift operator, production manager, beekeeper, and now I do it as a father, husband and coordinator for corporate events.

    So now, surveying the bizarre festival that is life in this nation in this age, I wonder how the history books of 3016 will describe this time, in a paragraph or two.

    I imagine that from such a long-lens focus, it will read something like, “Meanwhile, as the Pax Americana collapsed due to its well-predicted, well-described and well-denied internal contradictions, the typical things that happen as Empires are begrudgingly forced to recognize their dissolution, happened.”

    Not very interesting. That’s why I prefer contemporary accounts from average people. The specific incidents they recount aren’t very illuminating, other than to reassure us that people in general don’t change over time. The overall pattern, however, shows us something very useful. People in general don’t change over time.

    So now is a very good time to work on not making decisions based on current, contemporary and transitory social and cultural assumptions. Now is a time to pay attention to long-term standards. What happens to my claim to my house if all the records disappear and nobody will enforce the laws? What happens to my wealth if our form of currency disappears? How do I protect my family if there’s no 911, or if the police appear to be working for somebody other than myself and my interests?

    As usual, depending on others to address one’s own interests is a bad idea. Failing to see where true power lies, as opposed to where we are told it lies, can be a fatal mistake. Things like that are what we should be thinking about; broad strokes, things that were just as true 1000 or 2000 or 3000 years ago as they are today. Not details. Big patterns. Things that can be hard to see up-close. A microscope is a very useful tool, but over-valued in today’s deluge of raw data. Sometimes a telescope, or a wide-angled set of binoculars, is more revealing.

    • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 11:52 am #

      I think history tells us we are Rome, and the empire fell for all the same reasons Pax Americana looks like it will fail. The twist is our society is mechanized with fossil fuels. Our military is amplified by 1,000 times because of it. Does that push out the day of reckoning? Probably. After Rome came the Dark Ages. it’s hard to imagine it different here.

      • Petro October 17, 2016 at 12:09 pm #

        “Pax Americana”… more like Bellum Americana.

    • ozone October 17, 2016 at 11:57 am #

      “…As usual, depending on others to address one’s own interests is a bad idea. Failing to see where true power lies, as opposed to where we are told it lies, can be a fatal mistake. Things like that are what we should be thinking about; broad strokes, things that were just as true 1000 or 2000 or 3000 years ago as they are today. Not details. Big patterns. Things that can be hard to see up-close. A microscope is a very useful tool, but over-valued in today’s deluge of raw data. Sometimes a telescope, or a wide-angled set of binoculars, is more revealing.”

      I concur. This big-picture outlook is also very helpful in banishing delusions and pre-packaged assumptions into the proper category of meaningless and fevered fantasy – right where it belongs.
      …And the fact that people (in general) don’t change over time is helpful in choosing which non-deluded persons we’re going to make common cause with. Such a consortium is what those in control of the levers of power fear the very most. The value of clear thinking is highly underrated.

      • swmnguy October 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm #

        Another thing I’d add, over time I’ve learned (the hard way) that when I get overwhelmed and begin to panic, I need to actually slow down. Rather than do more things faster, I need to do one or two things at the right pace. Otherwise I have two problems; one being the problem at hand and the other being the fact that I’m panicked, not thinking well, and making bad decisions. That too is antithetical to the way we’re encouraged to behave.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:00 pm #

        Can you forgive? Give people the benefit of the doubt? Or are you cocksure in putting people into little piles and categories?

        You seem like a guy who holds a grudge – a good hater. That’s good for protecting the community against outsiders, but bad if you bring these tendencies into the community itself.

        • swmnguy October 17, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

          Assuming you were addressing me (hard to tell on this site sometimes), Forgive? Sure. Forget? That would be stupid.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

            If I were talking to you, my post would be indented to the right from yours.

            But there are no accidents, only opportunities! Do you have a radiation suit and/or fallout shelter in case Hillary wins?

          • swmnguy October 17, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

            Janos: No, in the event that I’d need a radiation suit and fallout shelter, I’d rather buy the farm outright.

    • dannyboy October 17, 2016 at 7:38 pm #

      “With the wonders of the internet and the 24-hour news cycle, it’s hard to sort the wheat from the chaff.”

      i don’t follow the news

      i look in people’s faces

  18. zekesdad October 17, 2016 at 11:37 am #


    I don’t doubt that most sizeable nations engage in cyber warfare and espionage, but how can you deny that Russia is anything but a malignant force in the world? The sanctions applied to them are in response to its aggression in Crimea and Ukraine. Along with taking parts of Georgia, that amounts to an upsetting of the order that had existed since the end of World War II. You totally ignore the Budapest Accords, signed by Russia, the U.K. and the U.S. that were supposed to guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine after they were persuaded to give up their nuclear weapons. By standing aside, Obama has totally shredded what was left of U.S. credibility in the world. You scoff at the idea of an “evil Russia”, but what else can you call a country that assassinates its citizens abroad with plutonium, and murders dissident journalists including women? And for the record, we didn’t topple the Russian puppet leader of Ukraine, the Ukrainian people did.

    Why do you have such an affinity for dictators? Neither Assad nor his father before him lead a “legitimate government”. They are brutal murderers that have no more right to lead that country than you or I do. They are no doubt necessary to fight ISIS who is even more brutal than the thugs in power, but that doesn’t make them “legitimate”.

    FWIW; Do we really have “scores” of military installations around the Mediterranean? That would be more than 40. The U.S. Navy has fewer ships than since the end of World War I. And what do you think Moscow’s purpose is of keeping a base in Syria, insuring freedom of navigation? I read in the paper last week that Russia is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade to upgrade their military. Why do you think they’re doing that, to protect themselves from the likes of Finland, Poland, and Japan?

    • michael October 17, 2016 at 12:09 pm #

      Well, the US spends 100s of billions of dollars per year on its military and has an explicitly stated policy to keep every region down that has enough resources so that it could become a rival power.

      Why then are you surprised if others see a need to increase their military?

    • ozone October 17, 2016 at 12:10 pm #

      “… I read in the paper last week that Russia is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade to upgrade their military. Why do you think they’re doing that, to protect themselves from the likes of Finland, Poland, and Japan?”

      Probably not. Most likely, to protect themselves from willing Kool-Aid drinkers and purveyors of the “Indispensable Nation of Freedom-Spreaders” myth.

      • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

        If any country has the precedent to upgrade their military, it is Russia. Napoleon in 1812. Hitler in 1942. When was the last time America was attacked? And I’m not talking about some stray Boeings. I’m talking an invasion.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:07 pm #

      Russia obviously doesn’t want the Islamic State, backed by Saudi Arabia and America, (we know from Wiki Leaks), on its Southern Flank. And it resents NATO setting up camp on its door step. As would we – remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? We are trying to ring the Russian Federation with missile bases.

      Do you remember what the acronym stands for North ATLANTIC Treaty Organization. What is an Atlantic organization doing deep in Eastern Europe? Mission gallop. There really is a thin line between defense and offense, eh? Read Hiawatha – the Prophet of Peace formed a great Federation of mutual self protection. The Federation was so powerful and great that no one ever attacked. So what did they do? Began forcing other tribes to join. If they didn’t, they were deemed aggressors and attacked. So it goes. In the name of Hiawatha (Longfellow’s spelling), Hiawatha’s vision was betrayed.

  19. Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2016 at 12:48 pm #

    beantownbill said: Instead of hand-wringing, it would be helpful to share your ideas on how to cope with another president Clinton.

    I plan on using this tried & true Hermann Göring Coping Mechanism

    • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

      Use the Francis Ford Coppola method.

  20. Bro Jobe October 17, 2016 at 12:54 pm #

    JHK, I cannot prove that Russian hackers are behind the cyber-attacks. I can, however, reason why Putin would gain a more lot from a Mad-Bull Trump in office than a cagy, calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Trump claims to like Putin, and Putin certainly benefited from his “friendship” with George W. Bush, another blustering bumbler who looked into Putin’s eyes and got charmed by the master-hypnotist.

    For those reasons yes, I think a cyber-attack would be a brilliant move on Putin’s part. He can use any of the criminal rings of private Russian hackers. It only takes a small group to execute a sophisticated attack (the LulzSec hackers took down the CIA web site).

    And if the hackers decided to go public with their sponsorship by Putin, they’d be drinking Polonium cocktails or just get bullets to the back of the head. That’s Russia today, whatever their legitimate sphere of influence and grievances against The West.

    Unless Trump pulls far ahead in the polls, I do look for a cyber-attack on Election Day, just to add to Trump’s claims of a “rigged election.”

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    • FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 1:14 pm #

      “He can use any of the criminal rings of private Russian hackers.”

      Ha, ha – do you know what the largest rings of private American hackers is called?


      • dannyboy October 17, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

        “Ha, ha”

        WE will bury you.

        Now that is a threat that I’d take seriously

        if i were you

      • Bro Jobe October 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm #

        I’m no fan of Microsoft’s OS, partly because it is so full of security flaws, but get real for a second. Microsoft is not danger to anyone save those who do their banking without updates and good antivirus software.

        Read Richard Clarke’s excellent book Cyber War. He notes that US cyberwarfare capacity is nearly all offensively oriented.

        We have little or no security on critical parts of our infrastructure, notably the power grid. China and Russia have better defenses, and China can disconnect the nation from the outside, though–as I hope–there may already be American malware lying dormant in their Network.

        If we do get into a shooting war, look for Pentagon systems to go down hard. Instead of spending the money to develop secure and unique versions of Linux for military use, the military went with the lowest bidder: Microsoft. In 2005 they were still using Windows XP on ships and in other critical applications.

        We will likely get hosed, and hosed bad (I guess “pwned” is the right term) if Putin decides to play real hardball. Our might will be of little use if the lights are out, the supermarkets empty, the public goes apeshit, and suddenly all the command-and-control systems bluescreen on us.

        • michael October 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm #

          No-no, you are seeing this all wrong.

          The industrious folks at the NSA even developed a hardened
          Linux for you to use to be secure!
          The TOR network was developed by DARPA and the Office of Naval Research.

          You are not alone. These guy are working for your privacy and scurity day and night 24 x 7.

  21. DaveNYC October 17, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

    The media is getting desperate because of WikiLeaks revelations such as the following:

    WikiLeaks: Citigroup executives selected Obama’s Cabinet one month BEFORE the 2008 election and then received the largest bailout during the financial crisis

    “The most important revelation in the WikiLeaks dump of John Podesta’s emails has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

    The messages go all the way back to 2008, when Podesta served as co-chair of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team. And a month before the election, the key staffing for that future administration was ALMOST ENTIRELY in place, revealing that some of the most crucial decisions an administration can make occur well before a vote has been cast.

    Michael Froman, who is now U.S. trade representative but at the time was an executive at Citigroup, wrote an email to Podesta on October 6, 2008, with the subject “Lists.”

    Froman used a Citigroup email address. He attached three documents: a list of women for top administration jobs, a list of non-white candidates, and a sample outline of 31 cabinet-level positions and who would fill them. “The lists will continue to grow,” Froman wrote to Podesta, “but these are the names to date that seem to be coming up as recommended by various sources for senior level jobs.”

    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money.


    So yeah, we’re supposed to buy into the manufactured outrage over locker room language while Hillary represents Watergate on steroids, prepares to initiate WWIII with Russia while cozying up to her best buddies in the State Department and Wall Street.
    I don’t like Trump, but I’m not voting to give the Clintons another stay at the Whitehouse on my dime while she stirs up shit in the MidEast with Putin.

  22. FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

    “Along with taking parts of Georgia, that amounts to an upsetting of the order that had existed since the end of World War II.” zekesdad

    Check your facts, “Zed’s dead, baby”, you’re mixing up WWII and a Cold War, and there was no peace treaty after the Cold War, but there was a Yalta Agreement.


    • seawolf77 October 18, 2016 at 11:23 am #

      The Cold War was a con. Build a bunch of nuclear weapons that will never get used, and after you have enough to blow up the world 18,000 times over, have nuclear disarmament talks and dismantle all of those weapons. Rinse and Repeat. They’ll never figure it out, bunch of morons that they are.

  23. FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

    The majority of US Foreign Policy’s fiascos are simply coming from undisputable desire of Clinton-inspired State Department to substitute the results of WWII with the results of the “Cold War”.

    You wana do that, first you have to win another world war.

  24. Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm #

    I’ve been tearing up Liberals lately, but Conservatives are no better. They’re just as idiotic sans the faux veneer of refined sophistication.

    Case in point is their inability to reconcile Hillary tied at the hip with Wall Street, The Bastion of Capitalism, and the bitter rival of Vladimir Putin all the while claiming she is a Leftist/Communist/Socialist. You can’t have it both ways, you Numbskulls. She can’t be in bed with Wall Street and be the Arch Enemy of Vladimir Putin if she’s a Leftist or a Socialist or a Communist. Putin was a member of the Communist KGB. He was born & raised a Communist and Wall Street is anathema to Communism, so please, do us all a favor and iron out your ridiculous contradictions before you levy your contradictory criticism of Hillary Clinton. She’s many things and deserved of a planet’s worth of opprobrium, but labeling her a Leftist or a Socialist or Communist undermines your credibility and makes you look like a buffoonish fool.

    • Walter B October 17, 2016 at 8:05 pm #

      What I can’t understand is how the people that supported Bernie Sanders now turn around and now back HRH-HRC. It’s like wanting Barney the Dinosaur but settling for Jeffrey Dahmer instead. It is beyond my ability to comprehend and if it were me that got screwed out of a legitimate candidate and force fed a reprehensible criminal dirt bag who carries around with her a dust cloud of evil controversy that make Charlie Brown’s pal Pigpen look like Mr. Clean, I’d be damned sure to vote for ANYBODY BUT the murdering crone. I am fairly well convinced that the elites may be correct in their assertion that the Common American Idiot is far too stupid to be allowed to choose their own Masters.

  25. malthuss October 17, 2016 at 1:39 pm #

    Jared Diamond in one of his books reports that the Rwandan genocide started out as one ethnic groups against another but soon evolved into action of each against all. He also reports that great relief was felt by all upon discovery of the greatly reduced numbers once the dust settled and the blood drained away.

    This is the grim reality and, I submit, is unconsciously felt and acknowledged by many. It is therefore only a question of time before we find ourselves in a general war so that the new can arise from the ashes of the old.—-Michael.

    Michael, Diamond opens one of is books with the theory that cannibals are smarter than Whites. I dont take his lies too seriously.

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  26. malthuss October 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

    Instead of hand-wringing, it would be helpful to share your ideas on how to cope with another president Clinton.——-

    If a big war can be coped with, I guess farmers with guns will cope.
    Or will they?

  27. BackRowHeckler October 17, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

    What’s happening to us? Here’s what’s happening to us. In Stamford CT, once a prosperous middle class city, a public health emergency is being considered due to substandard apartments crowded with 40 and 50 people living in them, 3rd worlders from Africa, Latin America and the Middle East, most of them illegals. Filth, disease and squalor rule the day.

    Needless to say, according to our local rag, its all whitey’s fault for not providing enough section 8 vouchers, discriminatory zoning rules, racism etc. (you get the picture)

    So what’s happening is a third world US is taking shape before our very eyes. Its obvious to anyone who cares to look, but here and now, facts themselves are racist, and the truth is unsayable.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

      The small man with the weird moustache warned us, but we didn’t listen. And he continues to warn us, including you, through his many followers. Will you listen at last, at the 11th hour? Believe it or not, something can still be saved, though perhaps not Stamford or Haddam, nor Hartford or Providence. Worcester and Springfield have also fallen to the Orcs, and Boston itself is hard besieged.

      The Colonies themselves are in danger, more than any time since King Phillip’s War. And worse, the battle rages inside our Minds and Hearts. The Enemy is within as well as without.

    • malthuss October 17, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

      A shocking covert video released by a French nationalist group called Generation Europe shows that certain parts of central Paris are so glutted with refugees that they resemble a dysgenic nightmare rather than the City of Lights:
      The Paris you know or remember from adverts or brochures no longer exists….While no part of Paris looks like the romantic cliches in Hollywood movies, some districts now resemble post-apocalyptic scenes of a dystopian thriller.
      Formerly pristine streets and sidewalks are littered in filth and trash in squalid areas where “open urination and defecation are commonplace.” When police attempt to restore order, they are met with violent resistance.
      Having said all that, only a bigot would deny that diversity is our strength.

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    • Elrond Hubbard October 19, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

      BRH, I’m curious about the public health emergency you mention since I can’t find any reference to it in a quick Google search. Does this have anything to do with the recent public water emergency in that area?


      Your description of living conditions some immigrants are enduring reminds me of descriptions of Irish immigrants in New York in the mid-19th century. (Ever see Gangs of New York?) The Irish were described at the time using similar language, yet it seems to me America survived and even prospered. Also, how do you know how many of them are legitimate versus illegal immigrants? I’d like to know where the information comes from. Thanks.

  28. Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

    Liberal Savage tried to kill George Zimmerman – failed and now meets his doom. When are you people going to learn that Zim is beloved of the gods? The Force is very Strong with that One and all who go against him will come to grief, starting with Trayvon Martin. For Zim is a chosen instrument of Justice and Retribution. And it’s no longer safe to prey on our People.


  29. Don October 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

    The march to WW3 continues.

    RT has informative and interesting news and political commentary, but I would bet that it’s going to be censored here in the US too.

    “NatWest to close Russian channel’s UK bank accounts”


  30. tucsonspur October 17, 2016 at 3:36 pm #

    Has anyone read Jack Cashill’s new book on TWA flight 800, blown out of the sky in 1996?

    It’s all about cover up and conspiracy. “Oh no, not again you say”? Yes, again, and that’s the point.

    Saw Jack on TV over the weekend, and he really seems to have a command of the facts supported by extensive research.

    What it boils down to is this. The Clintons manipulated both the CIA and the FBI to create their own truth, their own narrative, regarding the doomed flight.

    Again, shortly before that year’s election, and to this day, they managed to avoid the smoking gun, making it disappear with their crooked wizardry.

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    • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 10:28 am #

      And Bill and Hillary had what motive to blow this plane out of the sky?

  31. K-Dog October 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm #

    With Hillary fully ensconced in the neo-liberal let’s be hating on Russia meme I’m loath to point out that if you vote for Hillary it will be a vote for eight years not four.

    You get a two-fer because she will get us in a shooting war which will make her a wartime president. We all know the only criterion for re-electing a wartime president is that they have a pulse and in Hillarie’s case an exception might be made.

  32. Henry October 17, 2016 at 4:21 pm #


    Well, it looks as if our leaders are literally insane at this point.

    A quote from perhaps one of our worlds most forgotten yet important thinkers:

    “A little girl of seventeen in a mental hospital told me she was
    terrified because the Atom Bomb was inside her. That is a delu-
    sion. The statesmen of the world who boast and threaten that they
    have Doomsday weapons are far more dangerous, and far more
    estranged from ‘reality’ than many of the people on whom the
    label ‘psychotic’ is affixed.” – R.D Laing

    Laings position is that 99% of people are actually “insane” and that the reason so is that insanity can be trans-generational. The abuse of one parent to child almost always gets transfered to the next child to parent relationship. Unless of course the person grows past their past abuses at the hands of their own parents.

    But I guess trans-generational child abuse has been building for thousands of years and is reaching a cresendo now.

    • michael October 19, 2016 at 4:47 pm #

      If you think they are insane now wait for the generation that grew up in virtual reality.

  33. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

    “For the record: There are no “subsidies” to the oil industry.” –zekesdad

    zekesdad, a fossil fuel subsidy is any government action that lowers the cost of fossil fuel energy production, raises the price received by energy producers, or lowers the price paid by energy consumers. Essentially, it’s anything that rigs the game in favor of fossil fuels compared to other energy sources.

    The most obvious subsidies are direct funding and tax giveaways, but there are many activities that count as subsidies – loans and guarantees at favorable rates, price controls, governments providing resources like land and water to fossil fuel companies at below-market rates, research and development funding, and more.

    Internationally, governments provide at least $775 billion to $1 trillion annually in subsidies, not including other costs of fossil fuels related to climate change, environmental impacts, military conflicts and spending, and health impacts. This figure varies each year based on oil prices, but it is consistently in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

  34. AHtheHumanity October 17, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    “I say this with the understanding that political systems are emergent phenomena with the primary goal of maintaining their control on the agencies of power at all costs. That is, it’s natural for a polity to fight for its own survival. But the fact that the US polity now so desperately has to fight for survival shows how frail its legitimacy is. It wouldn’t take much to shove it off a precipice into a new kind of civil war much more confusing and irresolvable than the one we went through in the 1860s.”

    A new kind of war…very interesting since we’ve seen this new century start with an Heroshima effect terrorist plot supposedly aimed at the center of Western progress: NYC. 10 years later, NYC floods. The next 10 years might bring a “civil” war in that weapons will not be deployed so much as the masses of humanity will commit multiple desperate acts of civil disobedience. These acts will more likely include some form of hacking the grid making it difficult for the power structure. Off shore harbors for hackers and whistle blowers will become harder to find and get to since flying will be financially out of reach unless one is sponsored by someone with a lear jet. The media will eventually stop covering subversives all together in order to negate any legitimacy they may have as “terrorists”. The armed forces will be deployed as usual with a Mason-Dixon Line being formed in the sand to show where those people can have their way while the rest of the oligarchy continues business as usual. There may be government programs instituted for mandatory 2 year tours within the U.S.A. in leu of enlisting in selective service as part of a major job training policy for young men and women. The occupy movement was a wink toward a new kind of warfare. Walk into any major city that houses a Trump Tower and you can feel the oppression covering the sun and driving you batshit crazy. Young people will be willing to do anything to get back to supposed level ground even if that means giving up some autonomy. People like Kunstler, with a Jewish memory of things, might all be dead or very young and inexperienced with only a few places to live outside of Israel (NYC being taken off the map sooner rather than later). It’s tradition for Jews to pick up and leave when the socio-politico environment becomes too toxic for them. The Muslims are experiencing this get of Dodge effect for the first time this century…usually they were able to stay where they were and this helped them concentrate resources and power in order to disperse in a more orderly and effective way. The Muslim Diaspora will determine a lot about the future of western democracy and how the UN interacts with sovereign nations. It only takes another 20 years or less!

    • dannyboy October 17, 2016 at 7:46 pm #

      “Heroshima effect terrorist plot supposedly aimed at the center of Western progress: NYC. 10 years later, NYC floods.”


      here in NYC IT IS BEAUTIFUL!

      I just returned from dinner out and experienced the greatest city being great!

      Stop with your descriptions of NYC

      (has anybody been outside of that dystopian Times Square that we provide you?)

      • AHtheHumanity October 17, 2016 at 8:58 pm #


        • dannyboy October 18, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

          do you have a reply?

          • AHtheHumanity October 20, 2016 at 9:04 pm #

            Geewiz…first you tell me to stop then you tell me to reply.
            Since I’m not a Native NYorker then I can’t describe anything about NYC or anything that has happened to NYC in the past 20 years or so. Fine.

            I’ll just watch Native New Yorkers report on YouTube about the city. Some of them say how resilient NYC is and some say how inflated NYC is. So, even native NYorkers have differing opinions about their city.

            As far as going out to eat…I don’t see how that has anything to do with what I was talking about. That comment does lead me to think about what Kunstler had to say about the 10,000 mile Ceasar salad. Is that what you ordered? Where do you think most of the food from that restaurant comes from and who works behind the scenes? Anthony Bourdain wrote a very entertaining, informed, borderline expose about the restaurant business in NYC.

          • dannyboy October 23, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

            “Geewiz…first you tell me to stop then you tell me to reply.”

            now that i have read your Reply, it is better that you Stop.

  35. RocketDoc October 17, 2016 at 5:04 pm #

    It is said we should not let “them” see us sweat. The smell of fear is in the air. Clinton is piling on. It seems to be working but might trigger blowback in the privacy of the box. Actually, the odor emanating from the campaign is closer to a stench. So on a continuum: fragrance-smell-odor-stench, I think we are already in the cesspool of reality.
    It would be ironic to elect a kind and caring democratic woman to the Presidency for the first time and end up in a nuclear war with Russia. As you know women can do anything men can do….

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    • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

      “and end up in a nuclear war with Russia” –rocketdoc

      You should go back and read what people were saying in 2007-8 what would happen if a Black president was elected. People like janos were promising a race war. Dick Cheney promised another 9/11 attack in the first six months of Obama’s term.

      The over-the-top rhetoric, insults, and name-calling are revealing a rather misogynist and ugly side of the American electorate.

      If you dig into the Wikileaks release of Hillary’s emails, and I think only Finca has done so, you will find evidence that Hillary Clinton is methodical, consistent, stable, and hard-working. She is not someone who does not know what the nuclear triad is. She is not someone who asks three times in a briefing “if we have them, why can’t we use them” like Donald Trump did.

  36. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

    “This government [Social Security] trust fund, like all the other government trust funds are empty.” –elysianfield

    First, have you, or anyone else on CFN, ever had a social security payment arrive late?

    Second, the solution is three simple words: LIFT THE CAP. Right now, no one earning more than $118,000 a year pays social security tax beyond the first $118,000. That means the rich are not paying their fair share. By lifting the cap, the rich will pay what they should pay.

    Third, as a result of changes to Social Security enacted in 1983, benefits are now expected to be payable in full on a timely basis until 2037, when the trust fund reserves are projected to become exhausted. At the point where the reserves are used up, continuing taxes are expected to be enough to pay 76 percent of scheduled benefits. Thus, the Congress will need to make changes to the scheduled benefits and revenue sources for the program in the future.

    The solution is simple and can be done now: LIFT THE CAP.

    • elysianfield October 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm #

      “This government [Social Security] trust fund, like all the other government trust funds are empty.” –elysianfield

      You talkin’ to me?

      Are you talking to me?”

      Misattributed comment.

      • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

        Sorry, it was malthuss who thinks SSA is broke. Yet nobody fails to get their social security payment on time. Curious.

  37. Cactus Girl October 17, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

    Hi fellow CF fans,
    I’ve been lurking on here for about a year, but I’ve never posted because some of you can be quite, well… intimidating!

    I’m wondering if any of you have ever seen this site: http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

    I sent it to JHK, and he’d never seen it. It’s pretty scary. I can’t find much info about it, except that it seems to be a legitamate website of an arms dealer, rather than some hack’s sick joke. I know it is updated regularly.

    Take a look at the 2015 stats for the USA, then compare them to the projections for 2025.

    Be sure to scroll all the way down to the bottom, and read the stuff in purple.

    • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 5:24 pm #

      Have you ever read “Wool”? In it people are living in a silo post apocalyptic world. Eventually people start to go stir crazy and want out. But there is a task that needs doing so often, the cleaning of the sensors with a wool pad so the people know what’s happening inside the silo. So these people agree to go out into the unknown and when they get outside everything is beautiful. So they clean the sensors, feeling pity for the ones inside. Then they run out of air in their little space suits and they break the plexi-glass on their helmets and realize with a shock the outside air is poisoned. That they were led to believe they were lied to about the outside world being poisoned. That the beautiful green grass and hills were just a computer program so they’d clean the sensors. That’s what these prognostications are. Little lies so the workers bees will keep working. Little lies to lead us by the nose right where they want us to go.

      • Cactus Girl October 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm #

        Yes! I did read “Wool”. In fact, I read the whole series. It was a while ago, but I seem to remember that some people eventually _do_ escape, and find out that it isn’t poisoned, and they move on to make a new life on the outside. I think the poison might have only been around the silos. And wasn’t it criminals who were sentenced to clean the scopes?

        But I’m not sure I catch your drift here…why would the prognostications make people want to keep working? I think if it got out, it would have the opposite effect, causing panic. Or, no one would believe it. Why post it on such a weird little site?

        • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 10:49 pm #

          Remember how nobody could figure out why the criminals cleaned the lenses? It was because they programmed green hills and beautiful skies into their headsets. They thought they were home free until they broke their helmets, then the poison seeped into their lungs and the hills and sky turned gray and ugly, and they realized they’d been fooled. At least that’s how I read it. If the 50 something’s realized they were the last people contributing to a Ponzi scheme about to go belly up, they might stop. Hence the too good to be true predictions about SS solvency.

          • Cactus Girl October 17, 2016 at 11:17 pm #

            Where does Social Security come into it? Did you go to the web site? Go and compare 2015 to 2025. Then come back and tell me what you think.

          • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 10:30 am #

            The argument is really moot. When you can print money, you can never default.

    • malthuss October 17, 2016 at 11:52 pm #


      Yes, many of the so called ‘Liberals’ will be rude and attempt to scare posters.

      • Cactus Girl October 18, 2016 at 1:17 am #

        Thank you for the welcome!

        • dannyboy October 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

          be careful

          halloween’s coming!

        • malthuss October 18, 2016 at 5:27 pm #

          Have you read any of JHKs books?

          And ignore the riff raff here. It takes a bit of practice but its a learnable skill.

          • Cactus Girl October 18, 2016 at 9:31 pm #

            Oh yes, I’ve read a lot of his books.

          • AHtheHumanity October 20, 2016 at 8:52 pm #

            Aye Aye!

    • K-Dog October 18, 2016 at 4:43 pm #

      Pleased to meet you Cactus Girl.

      The data is a result of projections down a slippery slope of imagined drama. I don’t say it is right or wrong but migration away from America?

      Really, people in Montana are up in arms about Syrian Refugees which Obama has invited over without asking us and the people of Montana are not malnourished. Migration from America will not be allowed by the people of Latin America. Many of them hate us now and the rest will need little encouragement.

      I do believe the long emergency will intensify and that it is already underway though our ability to apprehend it suffers from the same problem frogs in pots of water being heated to a boil experience. They and we can’t perceive the slow change. That said I find the logic behind deagle.com to be faulty.

      I do believe a die-off will happen but I do not see how it could trigger a migration away from America. Trying to predict the specific chain of events leading up to this eventuality is impossible.

      We are just plain screwed.

      • malthuss October 18, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

        Many of them hate us now BUT love our money. Which country now uses the dollar as their currency [besides USA]?

        I do believe the long emergency will intensify —uh, yes.

        that it is already underway though our [who do you
        include in ‘our?”] ability to apprehend it suffers from the same problem frogs in pots of water being heated.——

        I would guess that as long as people have food, shelter, etc
        you know, the old ‘give them bread and circuses’ mentality, yes?

        • Cactus Girl October 18, 2016 at 9:35 pm #

          Malthuss, did you look at the site? What did you think?

          • malthuss October 21, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

            I dont know what to make of it.

    • michael October 19, 2016 at 4:26 pm #

      I looked at Germany since this is where I live.
      They are forecasting an apocalyptic epidemic or somepin radioactive killing off half the people in 10 years time and wiping out 2/3 of the GDP.

      Maybe they know something I don’t in which case it looks like I am going to have to get myself products from Sturm-Ruger Corporation of America of even Rheinmetall of Germany.

    • michael October 19, 2016 at 4:40 pm #

      Looking at the US forecast: ridiculous, disregard.

  38. I AM SULLY October 17, 2016 at 5:33 pm #

    Fantastic article, more or less in line with my expectations. I think many people, and their paradigms, are so ill fitted to the changes occurring that they would likely go crazy before they would even starve to death – and starve they would. If we think things have been rough so far? – buckle-up.

    Madness will take many in the first few months.

    • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 10:24 pm #

      “they would likely go crazy before they would even starve to death” i am sully

      Maybe. But armed with knowledge that starving to death need not be painful, and nature has endorphin coping mechanisms to avoid pain when starving to death, the transition can be peaceful and going crazy can be avoided. Many people have intentionally starved themselves to death voluntarily, including in my family.

      “Starve to death” “die-off” “mass extinction” is seen as some kind of negative scary thing, but when you know nature paves the way, it need not be scary. We are part of nature not separate from it. And we all gonna die soon enough anyway. No biggie.

  39. FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

    The relationship of Syria and Ukraine

    A few months ago, Russia could not afford a war on two fronts. And now in Syria the issue of World War III, and Nuclear World War for that matter, is being addressed. And if NATO fliers will hit Assad, Russia will knock them down, and that will start a ruckus in Mass Media on unprovoked attack on “civil” aggressors, not clear on what grounds invading the Syrian sky. And a week later the topic dies.

    But if NATO flyers try to attack Russian military, in the best case for NATO there will be exemplary shooting down of the F-35, F-22 and other flying crap. And in the worst case, the airfields where NATO heroes took off or landed would be hit.

    The logic is simple: if no response is made, the next target – Moscow. And then all talk stops and retaliatory strike under the full program begins. And the destruction of a pair of aircraft carriers and bases in Iraq and Qatar still leaves some room for talk on the phone and a chance to at least negotiate something.

    But the situation in Ukraine is different. No one will fight for Ukraine, even if Donetsk People’s Republic takes Kiev and Lvov, and will start hanging Right Sector by the thousands for war crimes in Independence Square in Kiev to CNN cameras.

    Ukrainian Nazis can not further spoil relations between Russia and the West, as compared with Syria they are an infinitesimal quantity.

    They even can not affect the election campaign in the United States, as Hillary only interested in women fucked (or not) by Donald Trump. And she can’t deviate from these rails, as the two tantrums at the same time are too much – voters will not be able to accept additional information.

    And if Hillary legitimizes her coup, it will be dealt with completely different methods. Well, and if Trump will get elected, he will recall the Ukrainians their participation in Hillary’s election campaign.

    The only deterrent for Russia is the need to feed the families of hung Right Sector after justice will be done. As well as the complete absence of any benefit for the economy of Russia from hanging Nazis on the Maidan Square.

    But there are limits and economic considerations in the war are overshadowed.

  40. fodase October 17, 2016 at 6:50 pm #

    It figures Janos would know of Roy Masters.

    Yes, he is a good man.

    Damn most of the rest of you, you’re rotten to the core, but you don’t know it.

    This election has revealed, like no other, the sleaziness of the left. They wouldn’t balk at killing their opponents on the right, ergo it’s not surprising in the least that they love other killers like the muslims.

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  41. Frankiti October 17, 2016 at 7:53 pm #

    Excellent post this week.

    First, the United States, to a fault, only picks on weak nations. This, in turn, drives nuclear arms proliferation. It is the ultimate “get out of invasion/regime change card”.

    The United States, under the Obama regime, would rather ensure Assad’s failure than the survival of the Syrian people. And they have not had to answer as to why. Blame our press, blame our populace.

    The United States does not believe in Universality. It believes in American superiority , hegemony, and the non-negotiability of the American Way of Life (getting what it wants). Do as it says, not as it does.

    Americans may finally be peaking out of the fog of jingoism and flag antheming to see that the United States is not a force for good in many parts of the world. Its greed, lust, consumption, and desire to control hurts more than it helps. This coupled with an election that has blown the rot of corruption at the highest levels wide open will soon produce a populace left with a country, and countrymen, not worth caring about.

    • Frankiti October 17, 2016 at 7:54 pm #

      peeking Q

    • Dumbedup October 17, 2016 at 8:14 pm #

      Well said and I wonder the same thing. In fact, I was thinking today about why there is so much animosity between the US and Russia. Especially between the Democrats and Putin. Post WWII it was understandable but still suspicious. Now I think it has more to do with access to capital markets and financialization of the Russian economy. Wall Street banksters are drooling at the chance to steal another country blind.

    • Dumbedup October 18, 2016 at 8:58 pm #

      We are the children of wrath. May God have mercy on our souls.

  42. Frankiti October 17, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

    “Events and circumstances are driving the US insane literally. We can’t construct a coherent consensus about what is happening to us and therefore we can’t form a set of coherent plans for doing anything about it. ”

    The emperor has no clothes, and finally everyone sees it so.

  43. Dumbedup October 17, 2016 at 8:06 pm #

    Undercover video of Clinton/DNC infiltrators at Trump rallies inciting violence. I wonder how many of the grope allegations are true and how many were paid to make shit up.


    Trump is nuts, but I may vote for him just because I think he is the anti-establishment candidate and Clinton is a liar and a con artist.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 17, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

      Trump should sue them for defamation once this is all over one way or another.

      • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm #

        You have to have character to have it defamed. It’s a prerequisite.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 19, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

          Ain’t that the truth. Or, to quote from the New York Times’ response to Trump’s lawyer:

          “The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one’s reputation. Mr. Drumpf has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Drumpf’s own daughter as a ‘piece of ass.’ Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Drumpf’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Drumpf, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.” (Emphasis added.)

          Bill Clinton could be guilty of every slimy thing he’s ever been accused of, and Trump would still be the worst presidential candidate in history.

          • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 10:36 am #

            It’s the conundrum of conundrums. Exactly how is a wife who has been cheated on supposed to act? Should she call the bimbos and ask them out for a spot of tea. Or perhaps a spa day. Shopping on Rodeo Drive. Now there’s the ticket. They planned the Bill maneuver long ago, because they knew this loudmouth lout had a graveyard in his closet. It’s hard to imagine a more class act than Hillary Clinton, just as hard as it is to imagine more classless man than Trump. Putting them on stage together shines a spotlight on this disparity in character.

    • Theedrich October 18, 2016 at 2:34 am #

      The above link does not have enough space to show the entire URL. The whole thing is


      (You can also see it if you do a Right-Click -> View page source, and search for it.)

      This proves the utter criminality of the banshee, but I doubt the corrupt Clintonistas who embrace her womanness (and leftist lies) will be moved by it in any way.

  44. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 8:37 pm #

    “Wait until Hillary gets elected and pack the Supreme Court with people like Elizabeth Warren.” –zekesdad


    “The main pretext Republican senators have offered for leaving open the Supreme Court seat of the late Justice Antonin Scalia is that the next president, not Barack Obama, should be the one to fill it.

    But now that his party’s nominee, Donald Trump, seems headed for a loss in November, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) appears to be changing his tune ? and may be signaling that more unprecedented obstruction is on the horizon if Hillary Clinton wins the White House.

    “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up. I promise you,” McCain said Monday, according to CNN.”

  45. Frankiti October 17, 2016 at 8:40 pm #

    Dear Director Comey,

    I’ll trade you 30 foreign office spots in western Europe and Oceania/Polynesis for an ex-post-facto non TS classification on former Secretary Clinton’s emails.


    Patrick Kennedy (Just as slimy, but no known relation)
    Underhanded Secretary
    State Dept.

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  46. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 10:29 pm #

    “The logic is simple: if no response is made, the next target – Moscow.” –finca

    So, “an explempary shooting down” is kind of like announcing that Moscow will be next? The Donald said we will no longer announce our plans to the enemy. Best to make surprise strike on Moscow?

    • wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 10:33 pm #

      Donald Trump Assures Voters That They’ll Never Know What He’ll Do As President

      On Monday night, Bill O’Reilly Trump, “If you’re elected president … are you gonna bomb their nuclear facilities?”

      “Bill, I’m gonna do what’s right,” Trump said. “I want to be unpredictable.”

      • seawolf77 October 17, 2016 at 10:52 pm #

        Markets abhor unpredictable. How’s that going to work out, Mr Financial Genius? Here’s man campaigning on “Trust Me,” and everything he’s done has been shady at best. And people are buying it hook, line, and cannonball. Only in America.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 19, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

          Trump playing the victim in all this is a sight to behold.

          “Only in America can a man martyr himself on a cross of pussy.” — Matt Taibbi

  47. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm #

    Elections Are NOT Going to Be Rigged

    Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Donald Trump supporter, sought to reassure voters in his state Monday that the November 8 election process would be fair, despite Trump’s claims to the contrary.

    “I can reassure Donald Trump, I am in charge of elections in Ohio and they’re not going to be rigged,” Husted told CNN’s Carol Costello on “Newsroom.” ” I’ll make sure of that.”

    He said there are “many safeguards in place in our election system.
    “It’s bipartisan, it’s transparent, and there’s just no justification for concern about widespread voter fraud,” Husted added.

  48. wpa_ccc October 17, 2016 at 11:20 pm #

    “The Kansas City Star notes that there were 794 hate groups in spring of 2015 that operated across the US. In the past 18 months that number has risen to 892, an 11% increase.

    Gee, I wonder who has been spewing racist hate for the past 18 months that might have encouraged these groups to expand and become more active?

    While we had hate groups and attempted bombings in the past, Donald J. Trump’s encouragement of them and his unsubtle cues about which groups they should be terrorizing, has almost certainly made the problem worse.

    That’s right. I’m saying Trump’s call to prevent Muslims from coming to the US or his tagging of Latinos as a criminal element function to single them out for violence at the hands of the white extremists. Trump is a more subtle and canny Anwar al-Awlaki of the American far right.

    Of course we will be spared all the cliches about terrorism in the case of these men, since although they are terrorists if what is alleged of them is true, they are white. So no one will ask if they are self-radicalized, or if they were influenced by radicals when they visited home, and no one will suggest that their family members should be watched closely or expelled from the United States.

    All this is so despite the fact that since 2002, white extremists have killed more Americans than foreign terrorists.” –Juan Cole

    • BackRowHeckler October 18, 2016 at 12:13 am #

      WPA, are you going to beat this Trump thing to death? We get it. Trumps a racist, a rapist, a tax cheat, a charlatan, a fascist … and a thousand other things, none of them good. We see it on every TV network, read it in every newspaper from Providence to San Francisco. Why keep on with this? Clinton is way ahead in the polls and will most certainly win. Are you on her campaign committee? You have one vote like everybody else and you’ve made clear it going to Hillary. Beyond that what difference does it make to you?


      • Frankiti October 18, 2016 at 5:35 am #

        Asoka salom

    • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 11:02 am #

      “Gee, I wonder who has been spewing racist hate for the past 18 months that might have encouraged these groups to expand and become more active?”

      Gee, I wonder how they define a “hate group”….

  49. 4014HAMPHEDGE October 17, 2016 at 11:55 pm #

    Following “THE BULLETIN”, publication of the Atomic Scientists with the old-fashioned clock ever seeking midnight… Information and people not on the 6 O’clock News….

    See article suggesting strategic priority for whichever candidate might be elected and survive far enough into 2017 to actually do some work: Preparation for dirty bomb detonation in a metropolitan area! Dirty bomb makes somebody’s downtown and miles around uninhabitable. Evacuation away from radioactive fallout is Job #1. Hauer’s BULLETIN publication is significant.

    PC Atomic Scientists are careful not to implicate any particular group as likely perps, so we’ll end that discussion here before getting into unpleasantries such as immigration gone wild, etc. Our Blessed Lady Of Arkansas can have her way and those able can move away from downtowns.

    BULLETIN talks of ground level “dirty bomb”; Many Think Tanks posit more likely bomb story is nuke detonation in Troposphere, resulting in utility/transport collapse and famine in following months. See William Forschen’s “ONE SECOND AFTER” for narrative. Following Jim Kunstler’s lead, let’s talk “Long Emergency ” and expand on a couple of needful things regardless of the kind of stings we feel. Water and food security, robust transport for victuals and necessity of life goods distribution.. Think about running out of toilet paper….

    Collapsing aquifers are target of robust water resource engineering compilation seen in “North American Water And Power Alliance” suite of engineering features. Lateral water supply links are the key to recharging and maintaining aquifers, call it a “water grid”.. Jim’s oft-repeated call for rebuild of the rail network is necessary in the EMP/HAMP solution set. Railway will be first back to work months before electronic controls in planes and trucks are replaced. And, plan on more than one EMP event!

    Some non-compliant trucks and old cars will run, so first, we should disperse container handling apparatus in suburbs and small towns on rail lines.. Reformed US Army/Guard Railroad Operating & Maintenance Battalions needed to rehab dormant rail branch lines, first up will be rail feeders into agricultural regions.

    All new emergency response vehicles should have specified Faraday Cage protection for critical electronic controls, so we will have at least a foundational level of mobility throughout the Union Of States. It would be most natural for political wannabes at all levels to note imbecilic foreign policy decisions bringing us to vulnerability to an Iranian/PDRK collaboration on EMP/HAMP attack, spelling out crucial priority measures for survival. Instead, America’s polity is now pussy-whipped into inability to think or act in the STRATEGIC realm..

    • pequiste October 18, 2016 at 1:12 am #

      You better watch yourself there Hamphedge.

      Someone (Dept of Home1and Sekurity/FBI/BATF) is going to take notice of your threat assessment skill-set, and invite you into a FEMA camp for your own “protection.”

      Perhaps you already have one of those coloured stickers on your mailbox?

      Good luck whatever you do.

      • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 1:52 am #

        FEMA camps! They will take away your guns! None of the fear mongering of 2007 had any truth to it.

        • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 11:09 am #

          You want TRUTH? The Coliseum in New Orleans after Katrina is TRUTH…and pardon me for saying this, but you can’t handle the truth….

          • michael October 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm #

            The truth will be made of sterner stuff yet.

    • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 11:34 am #

      “Railway will be first back to work months before electronic controls in planes and trucks are replaced. And, plan on more than one EMP event!”

      Replaced? Where are they made? By what type of equipment? A governmental agency discussing the loss of the grid opined that there would be a 90% attrition in the US population in the first year of a complete and maintained failure.

      Manufacturing is largely outsourced, and is invariably computer controlled. I would expect that the vast majority of rolling stock not under direct governmental control would become scrap. As for old, non-compliant vehicles, only the diesels would have any chance of utility, largely due to the unavailability of gasoline, which, considering its present formulation, is not storable over 6 months.

  50. BackRowHeckler October 17, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

    to pick up an earlier thread …

    Tucson Spur … you mentioned TWA 800, and new suspicions of terrorism. The federal agency I worked in at the time assumed right away it was a terrorist act and it threw them into a panic. Anyway I have a little story about it I’ll relate to you.

    That plane crashed in LI Sound right off Hammonasset State beach off Ct., so it was pretty close to home. About 2 summers later we were hosting a little backyard Memorial Day celebration with iced beer in a tub and blackfish we had caught in the sound, mostly family and neighbors. This young guy showed up with one of our nephews. Everybody was drinking. Turns out this kid was recently discharged from the Coast Guard, had been posted at a CG station on LI, and was petty officer in charge the night TWA 800 went down. They got the call to head out to the crash area in their motor whale boat and render whatever assistance they could. He said they had no detailed information about the crash and he figured it was a light aircraft like a Cessna or Piper Cub that they were looking for, which was fairly common. Then they could see fire burning on the surface ahead and went in that direction. It became clear this was no Piper Cub, that a major disaster had occurred. Then he said this: as they approached the sight they could see all these objects floating in the water and were soon surrounded by them. What was this? They pointed their powerful deck lights into the sea and these objects were people floating barely on the surface, strapped to their seats. The crew began pulling them aboard hoping some were still alive, but they were all dead, and had these shocked looks frozen on their faces. Many of them, he says, were young kids and teenagers.

    Needless to say, after he got done talking, and there was a lot more to his story, the rest of the afternoon was rather subdued.


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    • tucsonspur October 18, 2016 at 3:34 am #

      Thanks brh. What a sight for that young man to behold.

      I haven’t read the book yet, but what I got from Jack’s talk was that it was probably an accidental Navy missile shot, but talk of terrorism was abundant.

      Whatever it was, the 1996 election was just months away, and the Clinton’s went into panic mode. Seems even an accident was not palatable.

      He delves into all the skullduggery and manipulation of the FBI and CIA. Says what happened could only come from the top.

      These recent e-mail revelations now have me convinced. A twenty year conspiracy and cover up.

  51. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 1:47 am #


    Allen Raymond wrote the book on rigging elections. Literally.

    It’s called How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative. And in it, he explored the dirty tricks that occur in the dark corners of American democracy, including the one he engineered in the 2002 New Hampshire Senate election that landed him in prison for three months. So if anyone knows whether there’s a kernel of truth to Donald Trump’s assertion that the current election is being rigged for Hillary Clinton, he does.

    “It’s impossible,” Raymond said of rigging a presidential election. “The stuff he is talking about, it is ridiculous ? if it wasn’t so dangerous.” But Trump’s claims are dangerous: They’re “an existential threat to the republic.”

    Mark Braden has worked in the legal trenches during close electoral contests. For a decade, he was chief counsel at the Republican National Committee. He also was chief counsel to the Ohio Elections Commission and election counsel for the Secretary of State in Ohio. So if anyone would know whether Trump has a legal basis for arguing that the election is rigged, he does.

    “Nationally to do it, in the sense of trying to do some national conspiracy, is fantasy,” Braden said. “Our system works extremely well, and election fraud, though it occurs, isn’t a significant problem in the United States.”

  52. Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 2:23 am #

    What the AngloZionist are openly and publicly defending in the Ukraine is the polar opposite of what they are supposed to stand for. That is an extremely dangerous thing to do for any regime and the AngloZionist Empire is no exception to that rule. Empire often crumble when their own people become disillusioned and disgusted with massive discrepancy between what the ruling elites say and what they do. And as a result, it is not so much that the Empire is faced with formidable enemies as it is the fact that nobody is willing to stand up – nevermind die – in defense of it.

    Written by a true son of Russia. The Sons of Cain have out-schmarted themselves.

  53. Cold N. Holefield October 18, 2016 at 7:20 am #

    As we see in the over 200 comments thus far, the vast majority are The Usual Suspects — a Hodge Podge of Sock Puppet Avatars operated by one, or several, Cyber Goons designed to maintain the bounds of the Left-Right Binary Paradigm. Most People, like the Trick-Turning Whores in the Corporate-Controlled Media, will do anything for a buck — ANYTHING. Including what I just mentioned.

    I’m committed to Non-Violence except in cases of direct & imminent Self-Defense, but I can understand why Che Guevara & Fidel held Public Trials for the likes of YOU and summarily executed the worst offenders responsible for harassing, abusing, torturing & murdering the Cuban People for a few Pesos. Such people are not fit to exist in this Realm or any Realm, really. They are Anti-Evolutionary Forces who’s purpose is to squash Human Potential.

    • ozone October 18, 2016 at 10:02 am #

      The sheer volume of these status quo maintenance posts should give us a clue as to how the manufactured consent bid’nez is doing. Not too well, judging from the Odor of Desperation emanating from them. Disinformants are wondering if there will be forgiveness; why ask such a thing? (As the British “banking system” works assiduously to banish RT from its airwaves.)


      The links within links within links go far beyond speculation and suspicion; this is no ‘theory’.
      …”Pleased to meet you; hope you [haven’t guessed] my name”…

      • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 2:27 pm #

        You do know that Communism has fallen in the Soviet Union, right? And RT espouses Nationalism now, not Communism? Putin isn’t on your side. He’s on mine and I’m on his.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

      Che was a monster who met the same fate in Bolivia that he had meted out to so many others. The punk thought they were going to put him on TV, but they just had a little trial sans jury, decided, and shot him – all in less than an hour.

      Nice hero you have there, preppy. And of course Ozone loves him too.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 18, 2016 at 3:05 pm #

        I have no heroes. Woe the Country that needeth one.

        You can’t find it in you to understand some of what Che did because he didn’t try to annihilate every last Jew on the face of the Earth like your Idol, Adolph, even though we all know you’re a Charlatan and a Jew working for the SPLC as a Honeytrap. I have news for you — you’ve been doing this for so long, pretending to be a bigot & an anti-semite, that you have now become one for all intents & purposes. They say, you are what you eat, but I believe that maxim also applies to what you do, meaning, you are what you do, so, since you play a bigoted anti-semite all day every day, that’s what you are despite being in the employ of the SPLC. Your ruse has gone too far to the point you’ve become that which you allegedly oppose and seek to entrap. It’s tragically laughable & ridiculously transparent. It’s pathological. You should seek help because it’s obvious you can never cure it on your own.

        FYI, Janos, I have never clicked on a link you’ve provided, EVER. Only an imbecile would be naive enough to take your bait.

        • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

          “we all know you’re a Charlatan and a Jew working for the SPLC as a Honeytrap. ”

          Say it ain’t so Joe…er Janos….

          • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

            It aint necessarily so. Our fearless Libertarian has just outed himself as a Communist sympathizer. You have no idea how hard I struggle against my lower nature with these guys. So easy to gaslight – but I triumph. Where Id was, there I am. And as you know, no man can really say I am, but only “He from whom words recoil” (Shankara).

            We are literally borrowing our I am from Him. And he doesn’t charge us interest, but he does want the principle back. He only asks all that we are – but only when we are ready to pay. Is that not compassion?

        • malthuss October 18, 2016 at 5:20 pm #

          In Cuba, Che was busy killing free thinkers and other enemies of the state. And in Bolivia, he killed a child for taking food.

          Some hero.

          • Cold N. Holefield October 18, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

            You’re right, Batista was a Saint. You know you’re dealing with Intelligence Assets by their reaction when you mention Che Guevara. Two guys (Fidel & Che), and countless peasants, whipped the Mafia’s & The CIA’s ass in Cuba. I don’t respect the Dictatorship they set up in Batista’s wake, but it’s understandable considering the machinations of the CIA and their attempts to destabilize Cuba so they could turn it into a Mafia Den of Iniquity & Corruption again.

            It has nothing to do with heroes. You’re the rube that believes in heroes. There are no heroes, and if you need one, you’re a fucking PUSSY. And you are a PUSSY who’s going to have his ass kicked by Hillary Clinton in a few short months, if your ridiculous shtick here is to be believed.

    • Dumbedup October 18, 2016 at 9:02 pm #

      The rank and file are much less binary than Fox News would have us believe.

  54. FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

    Are they are going to throw the EU flags at the foot of the Kremlin?

    President tomorrow will travel to Berlin, where he will take part, not even in one-day but nightly working visit, where he will hold talks with Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande, Petro Poroshenko” – said press secretary of Russian President, Dmitry Peskov.


    And 7 hours later at four o’clock in the morning Moscow Time on October 20 will begin the third and final debate between Trump and Hillary.


  55. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 2:34 pm #


    “There are a lot of times when things don’t go our way. Or my way. That’s OK. You fight through it, you work through it, you try to accomplish your goals. I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes,” Obama said.

    And if Trump were to succeed, and win in November? Then, Obama promised, he would do his best to ensure a smooth transfer of power, just as he expected Clinton would do.

    “That’s what Americans do, that’s why America is already great,” Obama said, ironically appropriating Trump’s “Make America Great” slogan. “One way of weakening America and making it less great is if you start betraying those basic traditions that have been bipartisan and have helped to hold together this democracy now for well over two centuries.”

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    • FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

      Give FREEDOM to Obama and his family!

      • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

        Ironically, Obama is about to get it all: both freedom and a third term … with Hillary and the new Democratic congress carrying through on Obama’s initiatives in his first two terms.

    • anotheramethyst October 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm #

      Surely he’s not talking about the same Clintons that pulled all the W’s off all the keyboards when they left the White House the first time? (People with short memories: George W. Bush “Dubya” came into power then).

      I wanted to vote for Stein but now I realize the only responsible choice is Johnson, because he has the best shot at getting enough votes to disrupt the election and buy us a little more time to oust these two “candidates”. However, that may vary by state. Vermont should probably write in Bernie, and I expect that Washington, Oregon, and California might be good states to vote for Stein or Bernie. More importantly, I plan to vote out all incumbents of all offices unless they have SQUEAKY clean voting records.

      If you are one of those people who are voting for the second least evil on the planet (whichever of the two you think that may be) PLEASE do us all a favor and vote for a lame duck, if you vote for Shillary, the entire rest of your card should be Republican. If you vote Chump, the entire rest of your card should be Democrat. Moreover, you have now committed yourself to this voting strategy for as long as they are in office. Remember, the President is not the only person being elected. Spread the word!!!!

  56. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 2:43 pm #

    Chris Christie is giving off the odor of desperation. The governor’s future in politics remains is in jeopardy due to suspicion that he was involved in closing traffic lanes leading to the George Washington Bridge in 2013 to retaliate against a local mayor for refusing to endorse him.

    Last week, a municipal court in New Jersey issued a summons for Christie to appear in court for what appears to be questioning related to the Bridgegate incident.

    David Wildstein, a former Christie confidant, testified in federal court last month that Christie backed the lane closures.

    It started with Rachel Maddow reporting on Christie’s Bridgegate and will end with Christie in prison.

  57. Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 2:43 pm #


    Now this is the kind of Conservative wpa likes!

    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

      janos, I am not opening anymore of your potentially virus-laden links, so I cannot comment. If I were an AI bot or a government agent, I would have no trouble responding, but alas I am a poor human being.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 4:11 pm #

        Very good. You’re just parroting Cold now. Smart enough to know you’re not smart.

  58. elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

    I have no business doing this, but I am going to make a prediction…Trump will win the popular vote. The Great Unwashed, the Lumpen will turn out in record number.

    I remember the ’84 election, where, on the eve of the balloting, the news media said that the race was too close to call…Reagan won 49 states in an unpresedented landslide…too close to call, indeed.

    I do not predict, however, that Trump will be the next President….THAT, to me, is too close to call.

    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

      Who the next president will be is not determined by TPTB.

      The choice of the next president is made by American voters who determine the composition of the electoral college.

      Looks like Arizona is going to Clinton. Maybe Texas. I predict the popular vote is won by Clinton.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

      In the end, the Black Guns decide. Not Blacks or Whites, nor Browns or Yellows. Black Guns. Who do the people who carry them want?

      • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 3:58 pm #

        The people with the Black Guns are powerless to make change because of the decentralized nature of our election system.

        There are thousands of local precincts run by thousands of local poll workers. It is impossible to coordinate those thousands to rig an election. All they do is register the votes of American patriots.

        The people with the Black Guns are not patriots. They are traitors.

  59. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

    Trump has never been ahead of Clinton nationally if you look at a composite of national polls. Looking at 330 polls from 43 pollsters, Hillary is now 8 points ahead, with her lead widening in the last month. The big mo’ is with Clinton.

    But Trump can still win. There can still be an October surprise or a disastrous debate performance by Hillary or she could succumb to the myriad of imaginary health problems that have been attributed to her by the lying Trump supporters and the lying Trump. However, it does look like her cough was not terminal. And Trump has never been able to overtake Hillary in national polls. Trump is a loser at business, at TV, and at politics.

  60. Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

    Hanging is a very humane form of execution, at least by the trap door method. Women prefer “injections” because its brutality is hidden by the whole medical milieu, but it’s far more painful, prolonged, and subject to failure. And it’s private and hidden away, thus lacking the morall or deterrent factor implicit in public hanging. As always, hypocrisy and folly are paramount in feminine nature.

    Is there a way to make it more palatable? Perhaps! Why not make a Luxury Gallows with soft, velvet nooses? The Platform could be an attractive patio made of teak or redwood. The Executioners could be very sensitive and sympathetic, with Ministers and Counselors available for last minute confessions and drama. In short, execution could be made into a positive experience for both consumers (the executees) and for the crowd. Needless to say, the consumer would have her choice of garb, for a stunning exit stage down.

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    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

      Why go to so much trouble and expense? The death penalty is unconstitutional. The Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Follow the Constitution. Eliminate the death penalty.

    • malthuss October 18, 2016 at 5:30 pm #

      The name Derek is from the derek or platform the executioner stands on.

      Are your sons named Butch, Killer, Atilla and Derek?

  61. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:08 pm #


    Melania repeated her claim that, “I was never friends with her; I would not recognize her.” But on Tuesday, People produced six witnesses to corroborate Stoynoff’s story, and one, Lisa Herz, was there during the alleged run-in.

    “They chatted in a friendly way,” Herz — a college friend of Stoynoff’s — told People. “And what struck me most was that Melania was carrying a child and wearing heels.”

    Five more witnesses — two of Stoynoff’s editors at People, one co-worker, a former journalism professor, and a long-time friend — said Stoynoff had confided in them about the encounter with Melania Trump. All said Stoynoff chose not to come forward with the story at the time because she wanted to remain professional and because she feared retaliation. “I advised her not to say anything, because I believed Trump would deny it and try to destroy her,” her former professor said. “It was [a] tough decision but in a he said/she said, we believed she would lose.”

  62. Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2016 at 4:09 pm #


    It all comes down to smallness, either of self interest or of trying to be “respectable”. Of course with people who passionately believe in political correctness and “change” – then it’s stupidity.

    Buck? Just horrible smallness, trying to fit in with women and fags.
    Sad because often he seems better than that. Evidently, he’s not. Sad and Strange.

    There is no excuse for a healthy, patriotic White Man to vote for Hillary.

    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

      My anti-virus stopped an attempted virus attack from one of your dailystormer links, janos. I will not be opening any more of your potentially virus laden links.

  63. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:29 pm #

    JHK and many on CFN seem to think the low-hanging fruit has been picked, the fracking mania is a short-lived stop-gap, and PEAK AFFORDABLE OIL is upon us, hence “The Long Emergency”. JHK said as much this week, using the phrase “peak affordable oil”.

    Unfortunately, reality does not conform to our ideological biases. Reality can reach out and slap you up the side of the head. This is what is happening to “peak oil” theory and “peak affordable oil” theory. The reality is that there is enough easily extracted oil available to put off the Long Emergency for hundreds of years.

    For example, the Dallas-based Caelus Energy Alaska LLC announced on Tuesday a discovery of 6 billion barrels of light oil in Smith Bay off Alaska’s North Slope. The recent find could prove to be one of the largest fields ever discovered in Alaska.

    The site, located in the shallow waters of Smith Bay, southeast of Barrow – Alaska’s northernmost city – could eventually deliver 200,000 barrels per day of “highly mobile oil” into the trans-Alaska pipeline, according to a statement released by the company.

    While noting that such figures do not include analysis by a third-party engineering company, Caelus says it believes that the numbers do indicate the site could be even larger than the Alpine unit of ConocoPhilips, which reached a peak output of 139,000 barrels per day (BPD) in 2007 after beginning production in the year 2000, reported the Alaska Dispatch News.

    “This discovery could be really exciting for the State of Alaska,” said Caelus chief executive Jim Musselman. “It has the size and scale to play a meaningful role in sustaining the Alaskan oil business over the next three or four decades.”

    Caelus believes that with adjoining acreage included, the Smith Bay field as a whole could contain up to 10 billion barrels of oil.

    That is just one of many recent big field discoveries. Peak affordable oil is not here. Peak affordable oil is not around the corner. Peak oil failed. Now peak affordable oil fails as well.

    I tanked up at under $2 a gallon recently. If oil production had peaked, if peak affordable oil was gone, the prices at the pump would be reflecting that. The prices should be around $6 … but that is not our reality.

    It is best to pay attention to reality instead of inventing doom and gloom scenarios that never happen.

    • dannyboy October 18, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

      “It is best to pay attention to reality instead of inventing doom and gloom scenarios that never happen.”

      some people do intentionally scare themselves rather than deal with challenges.

      • Walter B October 21, 2016 at 7:52 am #

        Well reality, at least for those of us who are fluent in economics and mathematics, tells us that economies are cyclical and go through up and down periods of prosperity and hard times. The debt peddlers,the marketing people, and the politicians are the only parasites that pretend that this is not the truth as they manipulate the masses for profit at all cost and consequence. It is not doom, only prudence, that has those of us who have a firm grip on reality display when we suggest courses of action that involve planning, restraint, and conservation. But then we do not feed on our own young.

        • dannyboy October 23, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

          “It is not doom, only prudence, that has those of us who have a firm grip on reality display when we suggest courses of action that involve planning, restraint, and conservation.”

          which fuckin’ blog are you posting on?

    • anotheramethyst October 20, 2016 at 4:49 am #

      You might want to tell Bloomberg that, I guess they missed the press release.


      • Walter B October 24, 2016 at 9:18 am #

        Good luck with those anger issues brother.

  64. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 4:32 pm #

    “There is no excuse for a healthy, patriotic White Man to vote for Hillary.” –janos

    Actually, if you read Hillary’s policy proposals, they are favorable to white males.

    • elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 6:19 pm #

      “Actually, if you read Hillary’s policy proposals, they are favorable to white males.”

      You gotta help me out here…how can you tell her private proposals from the public ones in respect to how she really thinks? Is there some kind of code, a hand gesture, or grimace-as-smile that those in the know can rely upon?

      Her campaign manager says she lies opportunistically, she has stated (privately to her betters) that she will tell the public other than that which she believes for political reasons.

      I might feel better about the crazed bitch if I knew what she was really thinking…I might not be able to sleep at night with that knowledge,, but at least we would end the guessing game of what Hillary will do to/for us.

      Do you actually believe anything she says? Why?

  65. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 5:14 pm #


    Cumulatively, 995 oil/gas fields have been found so far, making China the fourth largest oil-producing country and the sixth largest gas-producing country in the world. Low hanging fruit.

    China’s oil/gas-bearing regions differ remarkably from that elsewhere in the world. For instance, in comparison to the Middle East oil/gas-bearing regions which are characterized by Mesozoic-Cenozoic marine oil/gas-bearing beds, early oil and gas discoveries in China are distributed mainly in Mesozoic-Cenozoic continental sedimentary basins. Low hanging fruit.

    The world is in a glut of affordable oil. It is were not so, the price of a gallon of gasoline would be around $6.

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  66. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 5:26 pm #

    Of course, gas finds also alleviate demand for oil. But both are being discovered currently, resulting in the world energy glut.

    ENI just recently discovered the largest gas field ever discovered in the Mediterranean Sea, equivalent to 5.5 billion barrels of oil, and, along with an estimated trillions of cubic meters of natural gas recently discovered in the Sinian dolomite reservoirs in the Sichuan Basin in China, gas demand for decades to come will be satisfied. That much less oil needed.

  67. malthuss October 18, 2016 at 5:28 pm #

    I do believe a die-off will happen but I do not see how it could trigger a migration away from America. -Kdog

    Where would Americans go? Mexico? Canada? Without shelter, Canada would be a tough row to hoe.

    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 5:35 pm #

      Where the Bush’s bought land, on top of the world’s largest fresh water resevoirs, in Paraguay. Nice climate. Lots of water. Water will become more important than oil in the future.

      • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 6:11 pm #

        Paraguay. Nice climate. Lots of water. And most importantly, for the Bushes, NO EXTRADITION TREATY FOR WAR CRIMINALS.

  68. wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 5:34 pm #

    UKOG recently made a major oil discovery and chief executive Steve Sanderson told the BBC that there could be up to 100bn barrels of oil in the Weald. Compare that to the proven oil reserves in Saudi Arabia, the second largest in the world, estimated to be 268 billion barrels.

    The world is in an energy glut with so many new big discoveries of conventional extraction (low hanging fruit).

    • wpa_ccc October 18, 2016 at 5:39 pm #

      UKOG’s latest announcement suggested that the Gatwick Gusher might turn the area into a mini-Dallas without using fracking.

      Sanderson said: “Tests so far show oil has flowed to the surface under its own pressure and has not, so far, required artificial lift. These flow rates are significant and in excess of management’s expectations.” Low hanging fruit.

  69. Frankiti October 18, 2016 at 6:11 pm #

    Vlad and Asoka salom hour

    • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

      And their sidekicks — don’t forget the sidekicks. Janos & wpa are what I call the Feeders or the Stokers. They get the ball rolling and keep it on Left-Right point. The rest, with the exception of a few, provide the regurgitated, unoriginal filler. They do the same thing in this comments section that the Dems do at Trump rallies — they fabricate to distract & misinform.

  70. Frankiti October 18, 2016 at 6:30 pm #

    “I say this with the understanding that political systems are emergent phenomena with the primary goal of maintaining their control on the agencies of power at all costs. That is, it’s natural for a polity to fight for its own survival. But the fact that the US polity now so desperately has to fight for survival shows how frail its legitimacy is.”

    A misconception is rooted in the understanding of the factions fighting for control as political systems in a form of emergence process.

    That there is no prime mover.

    If not a misconception, a conceit.

    What we are witnessing is the erosion of the cloak of invisibility around the prime mover.

    What some thought as collective is, in all reality, directed.

    Illegitimately sit ever was.

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  71. FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2016 at 7:05 pm #

    Flies vs People

    Trump can be called a representative of the politically active part of the patriots of America, and Hillary Clinton, which controls living on benefits lumpen mass in the inner part of the cities, acting in the interests of global elites.

    That was just said by extremely popular in the US Mayor Giuliani, whose popularity is related to his decisive action in 2001 as mayor of New York immediately after the September 11 attacks.

    And the discussion of the famous fly, which, during a televised debate has walked the face of Hillary Clinton, said that the Americans understand the planetary nature of the choice that they have to make in November.

    The fact that they are discussing not the fly, but the fact that Hillary did not drive it off, and it attracts attention in connection with the famous episode of the science fiction novel by Clifford Simak “Almost like people” in which a disguised alien invader gives a press conference to a global media.

    The man sitting at the table head beside Bruce Montgomery was bald – defiantly bald, as if he was proud of his baldness, bald to the point that I could not help wonder whether he ever grew any hair. On his head was crawling a fly, but he did not pay any attention to it. I shuddered just seeing that fly, with reckless impudence strolling along the bare pink skull. While it was there strolling, I literally felt on my own skin stalking, repulsive to the extreme tingling of its feet.

    But the stranger sat like a statue, staring over our heads on the wall opposite the conference hall, as if he had something there fascinated by…”

    This theme – “who is human and who is not” – is very important for any Western society, but it is especially painful for the Americans, carrying on their conscience the genocide of the indigenous population of the USA on the grounds that they were not human.

    It takes in American culture a great place, and the fact there are good reasons related to the history of Protestantism, that for the Russians, who with their mother’s milk imbibed the principle of “We are all humans alike ” is hard to understand. Nevertheless, the results of public opinion polls showed that Donald Trump’s rating has overtaken Hillary Clinton rated just a week after such a terrible blow with a keyboard over the genitals.

    And it says that the Americans understood the main thing: Trump confronts them with serious issues, including the America’s relations with the rest of the world, or rather, the humanity, and Hillary Clinton is trying to get away from the discussion of these issues with the help of sexual jokes about the role of pussy in the US policy.

    Meanwhile, the questions posed by Trump, are inseparable from the question of whether all the people – are people, and that America became great, claiming that no one, even in the name of democracy, has no right to dispose of their lives at their discretion.

    Legends about the stupidity of Americans are greatly exaggerated, and their reaction to the proverbial fly and low Hillary Clinton sexual insinuations against Donald Trump has shown that if the elections will be fair, the special prosecutor is assured for her, and he will bring Servergate to its logical conclusion.

    And Hillary Clinton miscalculated this issue herself , making a bet on the stupidity of the Americans and the basest instincts of the crowd.

    And if she still will be able to “win”, a very large, politically active part of the American society will not recognize the results of these elections, and this protest easily escalate inter-party boundaries.

    • dannyboy October 18, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

      “That was just said by extremely popular in the US Mayor Giuliani”

      where do you get this stuff?

      from now on, please refer all statements referencing New York to me for correcting

      • FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

        Of course, Hillary tried her best to smear Giuliani’s reputation with wild 911 conspiracy theories, which I am now convinced, originated in her headquarters.

        • dannyboy October 18, 2016 at 7:56 pm #


          you believe that Giuliani was Mayor here for 8 years, yet his reputation was formed by Hillary Clinton?

        • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 10:47 am #

          Ghouliani is an impotent hack. Anyone who can support Trump through this blizzard of smudge is one gigantic phallus.

    • Frankiti October 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm #

      Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule – and both commonly succeed


  72. fodase October 18, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

    So now we see video evidence of the utter depravity of the left. No respect for the law, fair play, the rights of citizens, the holiness of the ballott.

    I for one care not a whit if something very grave indeed were to befall them.

    I think it will be revealed after President Trump’s election that Our Great Leader organized the leaks, the outing of the execrable anti-american left, wikileaks, etc.

    All to purge the rotten scum and return Lady Liberty to her rightful place.

    God will only be mocked for so long.

    • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 10:46 am #

      TV was offering a bunch of democrats, talking about disrupting
      Trump rallies.

  73. elysianfield October 18, 2016 at 9:53 pm #

    Well, Ladies and Germs,
    RT America is just now reporting that the Ecuadorian Government has cut off internet access for Julian Assange, on the premise that his release of documents is meddling with the US election.

    I find this extraordinary. I wonder what pressure was brought to bear, and from what venue, that would cause the obvious muzzling of a whistle-blower exposing potential crimes and misdemeanors of the former SecState?

    Your rights as a potentially informed voter have been thwarted, by the Ecuadorian Government, of all entities…who, in fact, is meddling with the U.S. Election? Ecuador, I recon.

  74. sprawlcapital October 19, 2016 at 8:08 am #

    Happy Birthday, Jim!

    • dannyboy October 19, 2016 at 11:06 am #


    • Cactus Girl October 19, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

      It’s Jim’s BD?

  75. malthuss October 19, 2016 at 10:45 am #

    Cactus Girl,

    Malthuss, did you look at the site? What did you think?

    Which site?

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  76. malthuss October 19, 2016 at 10:50 am #

    Got friends in Arkansas?

    You need to let them know that the Syrians are coming as a new resettlement office opens in NW Arkansas.

    Feds are trying to get as many refugees into the pipeline to your towns before Inauguration Day (in case Trump is elected).

    See our partial list of new sites.


    • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 12:23 pm #

      Gee, thanks for bolding it, otherwise, the Old Codgers wouldn’t be able to read your Announcement and Call to Arms.

      I suppose your & your friends, Brave Patriots that you all are, will execute these Foreign Invaders like the loathsome Che or your one of your idols and heroes, Fulgencio Batista. You won’t the fact that many of them are woman & children stop you since you’re “hard-hearted empaths.”

      You have to love these Communist-Loving Red State Former Anti-Communists who still loathe Fidel Castro but embrace Vladimir Putin. No, they’re not Walking Contradictions. Not at all.

      • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 1:43 pm #

        embrace Vladimir Putin. ??

        You are a fool who projects things onto me.
        And too bad you missed the facts about Che. He was a rapist as well.

        Troll on.


        • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

          Where’s your blog? Oh, that’s right, you don’t have one. Why? Because you’re a Troll — that’s why. The Number One Rule of Troll Club is, Don’t Have A Blog. I have one. You don’t.

          All “Leaders” are rapists. Once we agree on that, Che & Fidel still kicked Batista’s Ass, The Mafia’s Ass and The CIA’s Ass — all of whom are rapists as well. The odds were not in Che’s & Fidel’s favor, and yet they prevailed against Bullies who had a significant advantage in Firepower & Money. Yes, they ultimately became Tyrants & Bullies themselves, Fidel more so than Che, but their initial cause & sentiment was noble.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

            Making everyone the same a la Communism is noble? In what world? It’s folly – and since people aren’t the same, any attempt to make them so can only be effected thru terrible violence.

          • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

            Because you’re a Troll–classic projection.

  77. Florida Power October 19, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

    Huge day on the alt-right Tuesday with Project Veritas linked not once but twice re the current incarnation of Nixon’s Dirty Tricks and matter-of-fact primer on voter fraud by the same operatives (interesting dinner company to be sure but better use paper plates and plastic cutlery). Follow up today has one of the operatives visiting the oval office numerous times since 2009. Oh My! There’s gambling going on here! Round up the usual suspects! And to add that special spice to the mix so august a periodical as The National Enquirer has now offered commentary in the sex-escapades sweepstakes! Hooray! Anything to drown out the laughter created by Joe Biden’s description of polite locker room talk.

    I can hear the true believers on the Blue State side clucking their tongues, saying “consider the source.” For all of the above.

    Ah, but what matter? Desperation abounds on all fronts. Or is it in fact the Odor of Deconstruction? We should be so fortunate.

  78. malthuss October 19, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

    Water will become more important than oil in the future.

    It already is more important than oil, just not as scarce.
    Fresh water.

    The oceans are important.

  79. malthuss October 19, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

    Sick n’ Tired >

    I grew up in Grants Pass (Go Mustangs!) and left in 2001 just after the influx of Californians started taking over and building tract homes in all the hills.

    Once they paved the road down to the Illinois River by Selma, it allowed all the townspeople who used to not risk damaging their cars driving down the dirt road. It also brought in more cops and park rangers, who justified their salaries by issuing DUIs, and BUIs (drinking beer while floating down the river on a raft/kayak). I am sad when I go back to visit family and see how far to shit the town has gone.

    Between the homeless, meth heads, corrupt police and justice system, and pot growers, it has become a shell of it’s former beauty that made it such a great place to grow up.

    Plus I’ve noticed a lot more negroes around town when I go back, when it used to be just 2 families back in the day.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 2:02 pm #

      What do you think of Roy Masters?

      • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 6:20 pm #

        Now there’s a good, wholesome, rugged, vintage American name if I ever there was or is one. ROY. It sounds large and strong. Merciful, yet unyielding. Tender at times, but ready to scalp an Injun if need be. A Man who doesn’t have to lay a hand on his Cock because there’s always a woman ready & willing to service him at a moment’s notice. Big Bad Roy. Or maybe it’s John, come to think about it. I get them confused sometimes.

        Big Bad Che

      • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

        I dunno. I prefer Ramakrishna.

        I know of a Eugene Roy Davis, I dont think much of him.

        Kriyananda and Dayamata have passed.

        • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm #

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          The main purpose of this site is to give the interested students of Kriya Yoga the opportunity to download the book: Kriya Yoga: Synthesis of a personal experience
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    • elysianfield October 19, 2016 at 6:19 pm #

      So, you attended Hidden Valley High? So did my son…we lived in the Wilderville area. Did you ever go into the Pawn Shop on “M” Street? HUGE selection of firearms…largest in the state.

      Don’t confuse the city police with the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office…The S.O. wasn’t necessarily corrupt, just poorly trained, poorly maintained, poorly led and something of a laughing stock in Law Enforcement circles. Oh, I also moved out of the county in 2001… to Coos Bay.

      • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm #

        Even the small cities and towns are under attack.
        Can USA survive?

        • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 1:55 pm #

          “Can USA survive?”

          Of course…although, perhaps, not in a recognizable form….

  80. Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 2:06 pm #


    One says it’s a little Holocaust. In other words, they really want this war – enough to include it in their classic guilt trip narrative. One Israeli Rabbi is weeping about the Syrian children – even though he usually talks about driving all Arabs out of Israel or killing them.

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  81. Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 2:58 pm #


    This is what tax dollars pay for. Shame on us for letting it come to this. Would you die in the Odor of Sanctity? Then fight this. Love God, yourself and your own people. Other people come after this, they are not your duty.

  82. wpa_ccc October 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

    “Your rights as a potentially informed voter have been thwarted, by the Ecuadorian Government” –elysianfield

    This is very twisted logic. If Assange is feeding misinformation, then my “right” to be misinformed is being “thwarted” … say what?

    Ecuador is doing Assange a favor by keeping him out of jail by providing him asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy. Ecuador has no obligation to provide Assange with internet.

    • elysianfield October 19, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

      Twisted yes…but I like it, too. As far as twisted logic goes, Hillary’s own documents provide for what you call misinformation? You want the Truth??? …you can’t handle the truth.

  83. Frankiti October 19, 2016 at 5:00 pm #

    Here’s hoping to Trump pumping Hillary full of truth bullets… then lighting her on fire.

    Scorched Election.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 6:13 pm #

      I won’t be watching, I can’t stomach either one. Every time I hear them talk, I upchuck. It’s All Lies. Nothing can be, or will be, accomplished in this final debate just as nothing is ever accomplished in any debate. There will be lots of pivots, though. That’s all they do anymore. They pivot, which is euphemism for ignoring the question and launching into a ridiculous monologue about another matter entirely.

      I know everything I need to know about each candidate. No one respects women more than Trump and no one respects Aliens more than Hillary.


  84. Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 6:18 pm #


    Malik Obama endorses Trump. His family hates him.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

      Why does Malik’s family hate Trump?

      You know what Trump should do — he should go all the way with this charade & spectacle. He should find a doppelgänger of Obama when he was younger and dress him up to look like this and have him sit in the front row at the debate. He should have made such a doppelgänger his running mate. Pence is so, how should I say….ordinary.

      Spicoli Days

      • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:37 pm #

        ‘The CIA guys are rapists’–yeah, but their images are not all over the place.
        ‘The Motorcycle Diaries’ etc.

        • Cold N. Holefield October 19, 2016 at 9:01 pm #

          The Motorcycle Diaries sure beats Birth of a Nation as far as positive messages are concerned. Plenty of Presidents & other sundry Leaders have their mugs in front of the camera by their doing. Last time I checked, Che was long since dead when The Motorcycle Diaries was released. He had nothing to do with the making of the film, obviously.

          I’m not a Che fan. I don’t do fan. I am impressed with what he & Fidel did in Cuba, initially with the Revolution, I mean. What came after was/is not so impressive but understandable, with the exception of the Missile Crisis, considering what America was trying to to it, and has been doing to it, Post Revolution.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 8:41 pm #

        Malik’s family hates Malik because he doesn’t bow down to Obama. He points out that Black Africans are responsible for their own misfortunes. Indonesia benefited enormously from White Colonialism – why didn’t Black Africa?

  85. malthuss October 19, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

    Cactus Girl, the link predicts a BIG die off?

    61 million leave USA or die off?

    Remember the worlds population increases a lot. Every year.

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    • Cactus Girl October 19, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

      61 million is how many are LEFT. Take a look at the difference in the military budget, too. And it says it’s not counting a plague or a nuclear war. So, what then? Famine? I find it hard to believe 300 million people will migrate in the next 14 years.

      What is this site? It totally freaked me out. I can’t find any info on it except that it’s a weapon dealer site, and it seems to be legit.

      • malthuss October 19, 2016 at 8:20 pm #

        Calm down. ‘I will Survive.’

        I dont know about that site.
        What about Blake Sawyer?

        Blake Sawyer, argued that the United States will no longer be a viable place to live, and people should consider immigrating to locations in the less populated Southern Hemisphere. Whether through war, disease, famine, natural disasters, or ruthless government, he predicted that 95% of those who remain in the US will be dead in the next 5-15 years. America has been targeted by the “globalists” to be taken out, he added.

        Sawyer noted that the United States ranks high in violent crime, [read, blacks are violent] and that countries in the Southern Hemisphere are much more tranquil. [Not Columbia].

        In particular, [well not Columbia] he highlighted nations in the southern region of South America as being good choices for survivability, specifically Chile, Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador.

        “I…believe that the average American does not know that they’re the frog in cold water, and they think they’re OK, and they’re now boiling,” he declared.

        • Cactus Girl October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm #

          Personally, I’d love to go to Australia or NZ. But I can’t afford it. So what happens to the people left behind, the poor, the old, the disabled? I fit into all 3 of those catagories.

          Never heard of lake Sawyer; I’ll have to look him up.

          • malthuss October 20, 2016 at 12:52 am #

            If you are 35 years young, Au dont want u.

            Maybe go and claim to be a muslim.

          • michael October 21, 2016 at 1:01 am #

            What’s wrong with the US?
            It’s a great place to live.

            There is much complaint here about the state of affairs in the US — but only because the complainants do not know what it’s like elsewhere.

            The site is thoroughly ridiculous. Not worth a second thought.

  86. wpa_ccc October 19, 2016 at 7:07 pm #

    “No one respects women more than Trump and no one respects Aliens more than Hillary.” –Cold

    You don’t know what you are talking about, Cold. Probably because you are so close-minded you cannot even listen to what Hillary says. Here is why you are wrong about Hillary and “aliens”

    “We need comprehensive immigration reform with a path to full and equal citizenship.” –Hillary Clinton

    A fucking “path” translates to seventeen years of paperwork, being kicked out of the country, having to pay fines, having to learn English, having your life run by the government. Here is my position:

    “Immediate amnesty for ALL undocumented immigrants, with full citizenship and full voting rights, with no “path” or government bureaucratic hoops to jump through.” –wpa-ccc

    • anotheramethyst October 19, 2016 at 10:00 pm #

      Then what?

      I grew up on the border. I can tell you from first hand experience that neither side, red nor blue, has EVER proposed a policy that will even begin to address a handful of the problems on that border. It would take me a hundred pages just to scratch the surface here, but basically both red and blue are right about a lot of things, (Yes Mexicans die every day crossing that border, and not because a bunch of rednecks spend time murdering them. The terrain is rugged and unlivable. People get washed down the coast and out to sea trying to swim against the tides along the coast. People die of thirst in the desert. People die of heat exhaustion stacked like cordwood in the backs of semitrucks and get left at gas stations, all because they want a better life for their families. Yes, they do cause great harm, up to and including murder, to Americans, rural people on farms and ranches that happen to be on their way to the first city where they can blend in. They’re DESPERATE because they are dying of heat, thirst, and hunger, and therefore DANGEROUS.) Red and blue are also dead wrong on all their solutions. We already did a 100% amnesty. It’s a temporary fix to a permanent problem.

      You want a solution? There isn’t one. There’s a few things we can do to improve things, like legalizing all street drugs (the only way to cut the cartels out of a big chunk of revenue), then devote all those car-searching lanes at the border to checking outgoing cars for guns instead of checking incoming cars for drugs. Then, instead of importing all our cheap crap from China, we should be importing it from Mexico. Also we need to issue a ton more work visas every year so there is no reason to cross illegally. BUT we also need to protect American jobs, so require illegals to pay into Medicare and Social Security (but make them ineligible from receiving benefits, this will help shore up some insolvencies in the budget) and crack down hard on anyone who employs people illegally or underpays. Then there will be no advantage to hiring immigrants over hiring Americans. Which is the way it should be, but it’s only a start. Even doing all this is only a slight improvement. We are a rich nation with a poor nation on the border. Until that changes, we will continue to have all these problems.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 19, 2016 at 11:04 pm #

        Well said. The answer is a Wall, physical, electronic, and social. People who hire illegals are ruined socially and pay a heavy fine. Do it again and they go to prison after being perp walked out of their business. No decent person will ever do business with them again. Most illegals will self deport if we are serious about this. For the rest, the Deportation Force. Movies will be made for decades about their exploits against Hispanic desperadoes and gang members. It will bring us together. Those who don’t like it aren’t American – by definition. Maybe they should self deport themselves somewhere else.

        • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 12:30 am #

          “Well said. The answer is a Wall” –janos

          We already have border security. Net migration from Mexico is zero. Obama has deported millions of undocumented bad hombres. Trump is lying to make an emotional appeal and it has not worked. Trump is a loser. Best of luck with your next corn pone dictator candidate (a corn pone Manhattanite, that’s Donald).

        • malthuss October 20, 2016 at 12:51 am #

          USA has 50? million ‘Latinos’ so we have taken in some of the ‘surplus.’

          How many more humans can USA allow in?

          1 in 3? Mexicans is here.

          Mexicos industries– Sending money ‘home’ as well as narco terror.

        • anotheramethyst October 20, 2016 at 4:29 am #

          Thanks for the compliment, but let me be clear. I never said anything about a wall. Show me a 20 foot wall and I’ll show you a21 foot ladder. Traffickers build warehouses on both sides of the border then tunnel from.one building to the next, right under the Rio Grande. People regularly trafficking up the coastline and swim from island to island to get here. How far out to see do you want to build this wall? The wall is a waste of money on an ineffective policy, too. Nobody in Washington is equipped to deal with ANY large scale long term systemic problem, so each policy proposal they have needs to be recognized for what it is, a band ail on a severed limb. My point is it’s not worth taking one side or the other here because both sides are utterly ineffective. If one side was right it already would have worked by now.

          • Cold N. Holefield October 20, 2016 at 7:01 am #

            Exactly. Take note that the people you are communicating with have altered the grammar of your comment to make you look silly. It’s Standard Operating Procedure around here.THEY are the real Enemy Within, not the poor Mexicans who come to America to work for Peanuts risking Life & Limb in the crossing. Take note that THEY make money off the trafficking. It feeds their Black Budgets. THEY are not serious about a Wall. THEY know it wouldn’t be effective, but THEY are also for its construction because THEY will profit from it since THEY will be part owners in the companies that get the contracts. THEY are INHUMAN Scumbags. COWARDS. THUGS. BULLIES. They could never win a fair fight.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

            Right, that’s why Israel, India, and other countries are building walls. Obviously you don’t leave a Wall by itself without Defenders and Watchers. But good Republican Cuck talking point delivery, guys.

  87. wpa_ccc October 19, 2016 at 10:59 pm #

    “Then what?”

    Then 15 million undocumented can live their lives without fear, pursue educational goals, compete for good paying jobs, raise children who have hope for the future, and pay higher payroll taxes.

    • anotheramethyst October 20, 2016 at 4:39 am #

      That’s great for them. What about all the other people who come here from Mexico next year? And the year after that? We’ve already granted blanket amnesties in the past. It’s a temporary solution. The solution is to increase the amount of legal work visas to begin with, otherwise we just get another round of people stealing social security numbers so they can work. Moreover, you have to crack down on employers so that you prevent immigrants from undercutting wages for everyone.

  88. wpa_ccc October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm #

    Trump loses all three debates. Trump is a bad hombre, who has surrounded himself by good people whose advice he has refused as he fired them one by one, or refused to take their advice.

    Trump is unfit to be president. He has proved in each of the three debates that he is unable to control his temperament, unable to refrain from ultimately defeating himself.

    It is now clear that Clinton has sealed Trump’s fate. Trump has made it clear he thinks he is in a reality TV show. He is contrary to American values and says he only wants to increase our suspense about whether he will accept the outcome of the election.

  89. wpa_ccc October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm #

    Trump tells his supporters the election is rigged. His supporters believe him and do not turn out to vote … because the election is rigged, so why even bother voting. Trump is suppressing the voter turnout of his own supporters. Stupid. Unfit to be president. Not American.

  90. pequiste October 20, 2016 at 12:40 am #

    Thank goodness the “debates” are over.

    S.O.S. (same old shit) fluff from “Ms. I Am So Close To Winning This I Can Taste It.”

    And just more word salad incoherence from “The Salad Shooter” candidate who may or may not accept the results of this election.

    I wonder if there is any legal mechanism for the American people to “not accept” the results of this disgusting display of the opening scene of the final act of This American Experiment.

    On the other hand governments around the world are prepping themselves for WWIII as Hillary insisted again on No-Fly Zones over the skies of Syria. And did she not also say that The Salad Shooter candidate is really a puppet of Mr Putin? Only “Ms I Am The Biggest Puppet For The NWO You Can Possibly Imagine” would know so much about being a marionette for the Satanic-Fuckers-In-Charge.

    The next three weeks are going to be bloody fucking awful.

    Then things are going to get even worse.

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    • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:19 am #

      “as Hillary insisted again on No-Fly Zones over the skies of Syria”

      Evidently you did not listen carefully to what Hillary actually said.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:34 pm #

      Why should any candidate accept a stolen election? His “I’ll wait and see” is exactly right. To say anything else would have been cucking out and an admission of defeat. High level Clinton operatives have been caught on camera talking about all kinds of ways they use to steal elections.

      Now we see the results of the damnable lack of will by Ron Paul. He should have Fought when he found his votes missing. That would have moved this issue to the fore. He never had a chance of winning, but he could have started a key debate. That’s how bad people are taken down – by their victims staring a track record of their activities even though they themselves won’t win.

  91. malthuss October 20, 2016 at 12:55 am #

    Now there’s a good, wholesome, rugged, vintage American name if I ever there was or is one.
    Che? Fidel? Hussein?

    • Cold N. Holefield October 20, 2016 at 6:53 am #

      Kriyananda? Dayamata?

      Get lost you freakin’ imposter. No, you’re not a walking contradiction — a gun-toting, Libertarian, Yogi-following, misogynist, Putin-loving, anti-communist, anti-establishmentarian, alt-right nutjob hankering to shoot-up some public place in the not-too-distant future so CNN & Fox & MSNBC have something to cover non-stop 24/7 once Hillary becomes POTUS in November. I’d say once Hillary is elected, but we all know, or should know, that elections are for show, that she’s already been chosen to be your next Great Leader.

      You guys are such complete jackasses. Why do you persist this far down in the comments? Who do you think is reading this late in the week this far down? It’s not as if you’re persuading anyone to your Honeytrap Cause. One would think your time would be better spent at a more visible venue where you could help stoke the next Domestic Mass Shooting and run up gun sales to hit your quarterly target and secure your bonuses.

      Oh, and I’ve read this comment over five times before hitting submit and it is grammatically flawless, but I know when I check back later today, you Scumbags will have altered it as is your wont. Jim, in case you don’t know, they have control of your software and fuck with it at will. They have administrative rights at my blog as well and have made me aware they do. If you want me to provide proof, email me and I’ll show you. They really are this pernicious. They are responsible for mailing my family a fraudulent invoice from the physician who operated on my son’s knee. They were aware he had the procedure and they hacked the physician’s information system to generate the fraudulent invoice. They know there is nothing we can do about it because they are the people we would have to turn to in a case of Interstate Cyber Crime, so we have no recourse. The invoice was a message and a taunt. How do you defeat such a thing? Something so thoroughly entrenched & corrupted? You can’t, really. They have everyone fooled and they’ve gone to such extraordinary lengths to disable any avenue of resistance or dissent. Even to the point of having Google Sandbag my blog. America is being held captive by an Alien Occupying Force. Not Aliens from Outerspace, but Aliens in the sense that these Cretins are not really human. They are capable of the worst crimes against humanity and they are completely without morals, ethics and principles. They live to deceive, abuse, torture, murder and sow chaos and mayhem.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

        Why aren’t you back at your blog, sitting in the middle of it like a Spider waiting for flies?

        • Cold N. Holefield October 20, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

          I am. I’m both there & here because to me, they are one & the same and I can occupy both psyhical spaces, and many more, concomitantly. A famous Yogi avowed me of that invaluable knowledge — Yogi Berra.

          Your spider analogy fails. My blog is Vision Correction, but the problem is, most People cannot be convinced they can’t see what they’re not seeing. They believe that what they see is all there is, when in fact, what they even are even seeing isn’t what they think it is and there is so much above and beyond that they can’t even see even if they see it incorrectly. I feel like Sisyphus. Somedays, everyday actually, I have great ideas for blog posts, but after a couple of hours I forget about it because no one really cares anyway. What will be is already baked in. Still, I do type up blog posts every now & then (one a week on average) because it keeps my writing skills sharp and it’s important for your psychical well-being to express & vent.

          Your dedication to Jim’s blog, at the expense of having your own, is incredibly altruistic. You have amazing stamina, the result, I’m sure, of storing up all that semen. If Jim’s not paying you, he should. I believe you are responsible for at least 10,000 comments at this venue over the years. Janet, no doubt, is responsible for another 20,000. That’s what I call Giving. Mother Theresa couldn’t have held a candle to you two magnanimous philanthropists.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

            I cared about what you had to say about the Automobile Industry, but you got bored or something and stopped teaching.

  92. malthuss October 20, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    Net migration from Mexico is zero.


    • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:08 am #

      “Net migration from Mexico is zero. WTF?” –clueless malthuss

      More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S. under Obama

      Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014 under Obama

      More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here since the end of the Great Recession, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from both countries. The same data sources also show the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s, mostly due to a drop in the number of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S.

      From 2009 to 2014, 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico, according to data from the 2014 Mexican National Survey of Demographic Dynamics (ENADID). U.S. census data for the same period show an estimated 870,000 Mexican nationals left Mexico to come to the U.S., a smaller number than the flow of families from the U.S. to Mexico.

      Do the math. Net migration from Mexico is zero.

      Sorry to disturb your ignorance with facts.

      • anotheramethyst October 20, 2016 at 4:41 am #

        I do believe that. Simple reason: there are no jobs. This economic recovery has been a joke.

        • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 9:58 am #

          There are no jobs because you are not educated enough. Go back and learn a skill or a trade or get a degree. Make yourself valuable. Get good at something. Don’t wait for jobs to fall from the sky. The job fairy is not coming to put one under your pillow. But the job monster is always eating jobs, and your job is to stay one step ahead of it.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

            So Americans should have to compete with Aliens who will do whatever for less? Be it unskilled labor or being a doctor? You haven’t thought it thru, content with simple slogans instead of thought.

          • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 2:07 pm #

            Dannyboy, of late, posited that he would thrive in a dystopian future, and probably without valuable skills, other than glibness, a pocketful of diamonds, and perhaps some vague double-entry accounting ability…SO, there may be hope for the remainder of those otherwise unequipped with marketable skills?

          • dannyboy October 23, 2016 at 8:47 pm #

            “probably without valuable skills”

            you underestimate me

            and overestimate yourself

            …there’s the rub

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:38 pm #

        So let’s save energy and just keep them out. Why let them waste time and risk their lives for nothing? And of course, Americans come first. If there aren’t enough jobs, not one hombre or wetback should be let in.

  93. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:03 am #

    This Billionaire Governor Taxed the Rich and Increased the Minimum Wage — Now, His State’s Economy Is One of the Best in the Country


    The Conservative Gov. Pawlenty prided himself on never raising state taxes — the most he ever did to generate new revenue was increase the tax on cigarettes by 75 cents a pack. Between 2003 and late 2010, when Pawlenty was at the head of Minnesota’s state government, he managed to add only 6,200 more jobs.

    During his first four years in office, Gov. Dayton raised the state income tax from 7.85 to 9.85 percent on individuals earning over $150,000, and on couples earning over $250,000 when filing jointly — a tax increase of $2.1 billion. He’s also agreed to raise Minnesota’s minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2018, and passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women. Republicans like state representative Mark Uglem warned against Gov. Dayton’s tax increases, saying, “The job creators, the big corporations, the small corporations, they will leave. It’s all dollars and sense to them.” The conservative friend or family member you shared this article with would probably say the same if their governor tried something like this. But like Uglem, they would be proven wrong.

    Between 2011 and 2015, Gov. Dayton added 172,000 new jobs to Minnesota’s economy — that’s 165,800 more jobs in Dayton’s first term than Pawlenty added in both of his terms combined. Even though Minnesota’s top income tax rate is the fourth highest in the country, it has the fifth lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.6 percent. According to 2012-2013 U.S. census figures, Minnesotans had a median income that was $10,000 larger than the U.S. average, and their median income is still $8,000 more than the U.S. average today.

    By late 2013, Minnesota’s private sector job growth exceeded pre-recession levels, and the state’s economy was the fifth fastest-growing in the United States. Forbes even ranked Minnesota the ninth best state for business (Scott Walker’s “Open For Business” Wisconsin came in at a distant #32 on the same list). Despite the fearmongering over businesses fleeing from Dayton’s tax cuts, 6,230 more Minnesotans filed in the top income tax bracket in 2013, just one year after Dayton’s tax increases went through. As of January 2015, Minnesota has a $1 billion budget surplus, and Gov. Dayton has pledged to reinvest more than one third of that money into public schools. And according to Gallup, Minnesota’s economic confidence is higher than any other state.

    Gov. Dayton didn’t accomplish all of these reforms by shrewdly manipulating people — this article describes Dayton’s astonishing lack of charisma and articulateness. He isn’t a class warrior driven by a desire to get back at the 1 percent — Dayton is a billionaire heir to the Target fortune. It wasn’t just a majority in the legislature that forced him to do it — Dayton had to work with a Republican-controlled legislature for his first two years in office. And unlike his Republican neighbor to the east, Gov. Dayton didn’t assert his will over an unwilling populace by creating obstacles between the people and the vote — Dayton actually created an online voter registration system, making it easier than ever for people to register to vote.

    The reason Gov. Dayton was able to radically transform Minnesota’s economy into one of the best in the nation is simple arithmetic. Raising taxes on those who can afford to pay more will turn a deficit into a surplus. Raising the minimum wage will increase the median income. And in a state where education is a budget priority and economic growth is one of the highest in the nation, it only makes sense that more businesses would stay.

    It’s official — trickle-down economics is bunk. Minnesota has proven it once and for all. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong.

    • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:10 am #

      This post is dedicated to Qshtik. Compare Minnesota and Kansas, a textbook example of the failure of Reagan trickle-down economics. Big government is good government. Minnesota is the proof. Kansas is the proof small government leaves up shit creek without a paddle.

      • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 9:53 am #

        You forgot Louisiana. Bobby Jindal is such a tool, but the people of Louisiana deserve a tool. Louisiana and Kansas are those 2 failed experiments Ross Perot talked about years ago. Try it. See if it works. If it does great. If it doesn’t, discard it. The rich didn’t leave California when they raised taxes. Wrong again!

  94. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:26 am #

    Donald Trump Just Disqualified Himself From The Presidency…

    Conservatives Aghast: ‘Disgraceful,’ ‘Beyond The Pale,’ ‘I Hope He Loses All 50 States’…

    Andrew Sullivan: Unfit For ‘Any Office In The United States’… ‘Astonishing, Damaging’… ‘A Statement Of Disloyalty Without Precedent’ Since The Civil War…

    Janos’ White Supremacist Great Leader is toast.

    Hillary, on the other hand, had concrete policy proposals, like this one:

    “What we want to do is replenish the Social Security trust fund by making sure that we have sufficient resources, and that will come from either raising the cap and/or finding other ways to get more money into it. I will not cut benefits,” Clinton said.


  95. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:31 am #

    I did not expect to hear Donald Trump concede the election to Hillary, so I was surprised when he did.

    Trump to Clinton: “Wait until you see what happens in the coming years. Lots of luck, Hillary.”

    Even Donald Trump knows he is a loser.

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    • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 10:12 am #

      Ben Stein said it best. Hillary was imminently beatable, had the GOP put up a viable candidate. Instead they nominated a nutcase. Now on stage full of 16 or 17 other nutcases, the nuttiness is not apparent. But take the nuttiest of the nutcases and put him up next to a reasonable adult, and you’re gonna be in fruitcake heaven, which is where Hillary is now. She stares across the stage and thanks her lucky stars for Donald J Trump. This is going to be a landslide.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

        Not one of the more qualified Republicans had the means or the manhood to stand up for American with the simple truth. Only One Man could and did.

        None of your slimy denials: you want Hillary.

        • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

          Nuclear holocaust or Donald trump…let them know we’re thinking about it. I mean how bad could a nuclear winter be?

          • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

            See Dolt run.

  96. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 2:08 am #

    Fun Fact: Hillary Clinton will be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States.

  97. Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 5:40 am #

    Clinton lied about open borders (energy! LOL)
    Clinton sidestepped Haiti (AIDS in Africa ?!!)
    Clinton ignored, speechless about democratic intimidation at rallies.
    Clinton didn’t deny WikiLeaks, but instead, blamed it on Russians.

    • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 9:55 am #

      Since you are relegated to shouting and screaming, try this. After you write your drivel, stand up and stomp on the ground, alternating from right to left. Then jump up and down with a meanie face. Then make a fist and wish as hard as you can that Hillary fails. Oh you’re already doing that. My bad.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:51 pm #

        You’re a typical White male for Hillary angry cuck.

        • seawolf77 October 20, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

          You have the nerve to call me angry when your candidate had the face of a spoiled, truculent orangutan the whole night. Just give him the frickin banana and maybe he’ll go away, scratchin his ass as he trails off and looking around stupidly. Look in the mirror Maude. You’re what’s wrong with our country. Old pissed off white people. OPOWP not GOP. That’s what Alec Baldwin nailed. His anger; that ugly moot face.

          • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 4:18 pm #

            Moot face? Stick to words you can handle brah.

  98. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 6:35 am #

    Trump is headed for civil war

    I will post in a couple of hours my impressions about the third debate, including those moments, that I heard live, but did not find in the record in the morning. And now I want to say that Trump was pressed strongly with a question about his willingness to recognize the election results, but he refused to answer this question in diplomatic terms, in the sense that the time for this question has not yet come.

    And in the first televised debate, he declared his willingness to accept the victory of Hillary Clinton if she wins the election, but broadcast live in this place went haywire, and then completely interrupted, and it was not just me. And among Trump’s supporters have spread rumors that Trump has declared his readiness to accept only honest elections, but the word honesty was lost in the process of TV shows.

    Now he openly refused to recognize the election results in advance, only the third time, he firmly refused to answer this question, plunging liberal journalists into shock.


  99. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 8:34 am #

    59:00 Trump: Clinton Foundation is a criminal organization. Haitians hate Clintons, who stole money and hope from them.


  100. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 8:38 am #

    1:12:00 Iraq Mosul require infantry on the ground.

    Trump: She warned in advance and ISIS leaders fled Mosul. Iran will capture Iraq.

    Hillary: He supported the invasion of Iraq.


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  101. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 8:42 am #


    Trump: no-fly zone – you have to shoot down Russian planes. means war with Russia.

    Hillary: I’ll explain Russians, it’s humanitarian no-fly zone


    [my comments] – she could explain all she wants, we (Russians) will not get it.

  102. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 8:46 am #

    1:18:00 Trump: Refugees, which Hillary brings into the US – Trojan Horse

    Russians bomb Aleppo. We give the arms to rebels without knowing who they are, who cooperate with ISIS.


    Mr.Trump again confirms Finca’s worst suspicions.

  103. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 9:14 am #

    27:00 WikiLeaks says that Hillary is for open borders.
    Hillary: The open border, ostensibly for energy (electricity exchange – she lies as natural as she breathes)

    WikiLeaks information is from Russian sources, which discredit it. Trump mus promise not to accept Putin’s help.

    Trump: Putin has 1800 warheads, and the fact that this is Russians is your imagination

    Hillary: You supported Russian espionage in the United States. 17 agents say it and believe that Russian hackers are Russian government sponsored.


    • Cavepainter October 20, 2016 at 9:47 am #

      Once removed from organic origins (locality, native resources, technology and native nomenclature) all ethnicity becomes reduced to artifice. Today in America, with victim hood being one of the only remaining growth occupations, ethnicity has become a theatrical polity of special political demands, exemptions and entitlements, as artificial as stage props — without authenticity and absolutely lacking legitimacy in modern civilizations ordered on secular judicial law. Admitting into or bringing to our nation people whose beliefs are anchored in the 9th Century is stupid in countless ways, but stupid fits the PC and diversity Maoist perfectly. If the US is to be one of the few places on earth where survival might yet be secured we’d better wake up to the fact that there is no longer time for such non-sense as multiculturalism and get back to the cohesiveness intended by our nation’s founding documents.

      • BackRowHeckler October 20, 2016 at 10:18 am #

        Hey Cavepainter good post.

        but for another ‘growth occupation’ how about law firms recruiting people with TV ads for dubious class action law suits. Somebody just scored big claiming talc powder causes ovarian cancer.

        Business is booming!


  104. BackRowHeckler October 20, 2016 at 9:59 am #

    On Charlie Rose’s post debate program last night about 1/2 dozen talking heads gathered, and led by Charlie, congratulated themselves on Hillary’s imminent victory. There were no ‘high 5s’ but it was pretty close to it. Apparently, to these people, the result on Nov. 8 is a foregone conclusion.

    Let them gloat, this, mendacious, elite media scum. Let this deceitful, wobbly old hag win, let her and her sorority sisters own the disasters that are bearing down upon us. It’s not our responsibility any longer, which feels a little bit liberating to be truthful.

    Meanwhile, a full Russian fleet is passing England, headed for the eastern Med. Important battles are being fought in Aleppo and Mosul, the results of which could determine the future of the Levant, Europe and NAmerica. Check the front page of your local newspaper today and see if theses events are even mentioned.


    • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 10:52 am #

      “which feels a little bit liberating to be truthful.” –brh

      Very insightful, brh. Since the 1970s it has been well known that feminism liberates men.

      • Cavepainter October 20, 2016 at 3:58 pm #

        WPA-CCC, all societies grew out of attempt to balance the innate tension between the agenda differences of tthe genders (yes, just two). That’s basic in social organization. Outcomes have always been circumstantially different, and as with all of evolution’s experiments most have had short shelf life.

        But here we are, our society, just another petri dish play thing in nature’s view. When Mongol hoards were on the horizon the innate gender roles played out in very well defined way: women grabbed up the children and ran to a defendable position while men mobilized into defensive barrier. That’s clear.

        Our particular petri dish now though is a complete anomaly to societal precedent (1) A few decades of broad middle class (historically before always a narrow strata only slightly broader than the ruling Alpha strata). (2) Androgyny rather than distinct gender roles. If you believe that we remain a patriarchy just notice how much larger is store floor space dedicated to women’s apparel as opposed to that for men’s.

        American manhood is in crises, best evidence being the extreme sports phenomenon, whereas always before such risk taking unbeneficial to the tribe as a whole would be condemned. Females, on the other hand, behave as though in perpetual PMS. Boys and girls now are indoctrinated toward androgyny, mind and body. Similarly, multiculturalism is imposed in place of national identity. Good luck with that.

  105. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 11:02 am #

    Just grab them by the pussy! –Donald Trump

    I’ve never seen a mulatto cock, but I’d like to! –Ivanka Trump

    I did not have plagiarism with that colored First Lady! –Melania Trump

    What a lovely First Family in waiting!

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    • seawolf77 October 21, 2016 at 9:33 am #

      Imagine a tape of Hillary joking with Maria Bartiromo about walking up to men and grabbing them by their nuts, then saying when you’re Secretary of State, they let you get away with it. Imagine her joking about walking into an NFL locker room because as Secretary of State she can go anywhere, and saying how there incredible looking guys with huge cucks. Imagine 10 men coming out and saying Hillary sexually assaulted them. This is so disgusting. I agree with DeNiro. he’s a punk, a dog and a pig and he’s cheapened all of us, except maybe Janos.

  106. beantownbill. October 20, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

    I just don’t understand the hate I read here. Has anyone ever talked one-on-one with either Hillary or Donald? If not, how can you know what kind of people they really are? People seem to forget that what they are watching or hearing are just electrons, not the real thing. Who would have thought in the 1940’s or ’50’s that electronic media would displace reality? Sixty years later Marshall McLuhan has been proven right: the medium IS the message.

    To me, the only relevant talking points are the candidates’ positions on various issues, the discussions of which don’t require hate. Then those must be tempered by the probability that Congress would pass any such initiatives. Self

    Too many here seem to have given way to despair (I’m talking in part to you, Cold). I plan on going down fighting, if it comes to that. Better to die standing up for what you think is right, rather than resigning one’s self to passively accepting whatever life throws at you.

    Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 12:48 pm #

      It’s obvious what Hillary is – countless people who do know her have come forward and told us. Why are you so resistant to the truth?

      Two Jews have come out against Hillary, Roy Masters and Jill Stein. Can I have a third?

      Meanwhile Howard Stern, who has made a career out of corrupting America, is shocked at Trump’s language about women. Admit, the hypocrisy is stomach turning.

      • beantownbill. October 20, 2016 at 2:24 pm #

        I never met Hillary or Trump, so I won’t comment on them, only their policies. I don’t agree with either of their policies, so I won’t vote for them. I just don’t vote based on personalities. To me, being unlikable is not relevant in an election. But, Janos, look at the glass is half full paradigm: Hillary won’t get my vote.

        Also, I agree with you mostly about “show me your tits” Stern. Very hypocritical of him to criticize Trump when he has a horndog on-screen persona himself. Since I’m very liberal about sex, I don’t think what he does on tv is corrupt people, he just acts sexual and crude. Big deal. Janos, if you were given sexual equipment at birth, enjoy yourself and use it. And don’t overthink it when you are doing it.

    • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

      “To me, the only relevant talking points are the candidates’ positions on various issues, the discussions of which don’t require hate.”

      Well, by Hillary’s own words, she will present different positions from her closely held truths for political reasons. Why even listen to her, when you know she is giving the lumpen the “snake oil”. If we were to be provided the unalloyed positions she believes in, I expect we all would pay attention.

      Trump has not been lying, because he hasn’t said anything….

      I fear and loathe Hillary’s electrons…protons, quarks, nutrenos and queefs.

    • michael October 21, 2016 at 1:29 am #

      You don’t know what the positions are. One has a public one and a private one — and that’s old style.
      The modern way is to tell everyone what they want to hear and not worry if you contradict yourself every 5 minutes.

      Or better still use incoherent intrinsically meaningless speech which is designed to communicate signals and is not amenable to logical analysis.

      The public accepts it so that’s what they get.

  107. volodya October 20, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

    Anyone who’s been looking can see what’s afoot. History’s carrion birds are circling. Mad Max war bands rip up swathes of the world, those of the drug dealing variety run rampant south of the border, hordes of refugees are on the run, lunatic despotisms strive to get nukes (and succeed), the global economy, corrupted and looted by sociopathic elites, totters from one disaster to the next.

    What will the U.S. need in this hour of dire necessity? The answer is simple, someone of good character and sound judgment. Who’s the individual likely to be chosen? Hillary, that’s who. One weeps.

    Yeah, I know, she went to Yale. Big deal. Through work, I’ve gotten to know lawyers, all of them graduates of reputable universities, all of them “smart”, all of them good at their appointed tasks as corporate counsel. But, like Hillary, none of them remotely qualified for national office.

    What does it say about Hillary’s character that she put up with Bill? He is one seriously disreputable individual. But never mind his horndog tendencies, never mind the rape accusations which are bad enough. More serious was his stewardship of the country, which had calamitous consequences.

    But Bill’s misdeeds, sexual and otherwise, don’t matter to Hillary. She uses Bill because where would she be without him? Nowhere, that’s where. That’s the basic reason why she’s held in such low regard. The American polity isn’t wrong on this.

    The American people have Hillary’s number. She is a big fat zero, a nobody, talentless in politics, unaccomplished in the practice of law, a nothing as Senator, massively on the take, in the pocket of Wall Street, monumentally incompetent and negligent as Secretary of State, creator of a lawless North African war zone. And, when it comes to progressivism, as phony as a three dollar bill.

    More seriously, what does all this say about the spavined state of the Democratic Party, that it coughs up someone as ludicrously unsuited for the Oval Office? The Democrats, like the Republicans, are intellectually bankrupt, clueless as to what to do next.

    • Buck Stud October 20, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

      Writing for it’s own sake is more important to you that accuracy of content; but in terms of the latter: get a grip.

    • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

      volodya: “Through work, I’ve gotten to know lawyers, all of them graduates of reputable universities, all of them ‘smart’, all of them good at their appointed tasks as corporate counsel. But, like Hillary, none of them remotely qualified for national office.”

      This is just stupid. Aside from extensive work in public policy both before and after becoming first lady, two Senate terms, and serving as Secretary of State, what more qualifications and experience do you think HRC should have to be president?

      Seriously, I’m asking. What’s missing? If you’re thinking of military service, the following presidents also never served: Bill Clinton, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, Taft, Cleveland, Van Buren, John Q. Adams and John Adams.

      I’m curious to see what anyone comes up with.

      • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 5:33 pm #

        “Other “calamitous consequences” of the Bill Clinton presidency include the deaths of a generation of Iraqis due to economic sanctions, an ongoing horror that led not one but two UN humanitarian administrators to resign in protest. It also helped prop up the regime of Saddam Hussein by giving him a foreign enemy to point to, thereby helping set the stage for the subsequent Bush/Cheney debacle. All told, not the best record.”

        What’s missing?
        “I’m curious to see what anyone comes up with.”…EH

        “What’s missing?”

        Satisfactory results….

  108. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

    “More serious was his stewardship of the country, which had calamitous consequences.” –volodya

    Being Canadian, you can be forgiven for ignorance of US politics. But history is available to read. Bill Clinton had a very successful eight years. As is the case in history, any “calamitous consequences” are addressed by the appropriate judicial and legislative bodies.

    Let’s take the rhetoric down a notch. Bill Clinton (and his appointments of the most diverse cabinet in American history) did a lot of good things. Diversity is strength:

    Longest economic expansion in American history

    The Clinton administration’s strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion.

    More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years — the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.

    Lowest unemployment in 30 years

    Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.

    Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment

    Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.

    Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill

    President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.

    Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet

    President Clinton and Vice President Gore’s new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.

    Lowest crime rate in 26 years

    Because of President Clinton’s comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.

    100,000 more police for our streets

    As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.

    Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation

    Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.

    Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans

    To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.

    Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years

    The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.

    Higher incomes at all levels

    After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family’s income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.

    Lowest poverty rate in 20 years

    Since Congress passed President Clinton’s Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.

    Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years

    In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.

    Lowest infant mortality rate in American history

    The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.

    Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union

    Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.

    Protected millions of acres of American land

    President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America’s national forests.

    Paid off $360 billion of the national debt

    Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.

    Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus

    Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton’s call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.

    Lowest government spending in three decades

    Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.

    Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years

    President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.

    Most diverse cabinet in American history

    The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

    • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 2:28 pm #

      “The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.”

      …And how do you like it now, Gentlemen?

      • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 4:10 pm #

        Hard to see how appointing a Cabinet that more closely resembles the country could be called “calamitous”. Much easier, though to make the case regarding the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which either led to nothing less than the near-collapse of the world economy or at the very least made it worse.

        Other “calamitous consequences” of the Bill Clinton presidency include the deaths of a generation of Iraqis due to economic sanctions, an ongoing horror that led not one but two UN humanitarian administrators to resign in protest. It also helped prop up the regime of Saddam Hussein by giving him a foreign enemy to point to, thereby helping set the stage for the subsequent Bush/Cheney debacle. All told, not the best record.

        • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

          What an imbecile. So you presume that color and gender predict behavior? Behavior in the cabinet? Or, more likely, the superficial representation is what matters. Canadians…. worthless.

          • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 7:35 pm #

            The soft bigotry of monolithic expectations.

          • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 9:44 pm #

            Frankiti: “So you presume that color and gender predict behavior?”

            Say what? What I presume is a couple of things you might have heard in civics class: that everyone is equal before the law, and that government derives its legitimacy from the consent of the governed.

            A government that cares about its own legitimacy makes an effort to earn consent. There would be little need to keep score of who is being represented and who isn’t if our world were not infested (as this blog is infested) with bigots — bigots who relentlessly, and hatefully, deny and disparage the humanity of their neighbours based on their sex, skin colour, religion, or you name it.

            You think I live in some airy-fairy world of political correctness? Wrong. In my world, decency and reasonableness are hard-fought goals that have to be wrested from the grip of haters. So eat me.

          • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

            You words belie your true thinking. Resemblance trumps substance. You’re all talk, hoser.

        • malthuss October 20, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

          The death of John Ash should be noted.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 7:50 pm #

          That assumes all people are not only equal, but equally well disposed to govern for the good of all. Wrong on both counts in regards to Blacks. Eric Holder may have been smart enough to be Attorney General yet he still said he wasn’t going to prosecute fellow Blacks.

          Now you tell me how on Earth he wasn’t fired immediately as a White would have been who said something similar. Face it, the Conspiracy is real and far advanced.

          • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 9:45 pm #

            Janos, I’ve already made my argument here. Let’s just see if you can deal with it.

    • michael October 21, 2016 at 1:58 am #

      Bill Clinton rode the wave of the great stockmarket bubble and presided over and partly was instrumental in the destruction of the moral foundations of the land.

      Was it not under Bill Clinton that Glass-Stegall was repealed, that the SEC was threatened with defundung should it interfere with the happy march to national propserity (sic).
      The wave broke over us and we have not recovered from it since.

      It laid the moral foundations for the housing bubble in which hucksters at all levels from the house flipping secretary to the Wall street toxic deal structurer were involved.

      Ths was followed up by the cleanup crew, where fake vice bank presidents (partly living in trailer parks fill out the paperwork with their signatures to aid in title clearing.

      Now we are at the last stage: big financial institution insolvent and even trust in government disappearing (a sign of intelligence).

      The unmooring of all principles and every form of self restraint is also at the heart of the growing inequality of wealth. Management has become accustomed to being able to loot public companies and steal from shareholders in the most egregious fashion. This is killing capitalism itself.

      The seed of this evil was born and grew strong in the reign of Bill.
      I think it is a generational problem. One cannot blame Bill directly, there are larger forces at work. It is the genuine selfexpression of Bill’s generation (of which I am a member also).
      But in the history books he will own it.

  109. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

    “Ladies and gentleman, I wanna make a major announcement today,” Trump told a rowdy crowd in Delaware, Ohio. “I would like to promise and pledge, to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States, that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election,” he paused, “If I win.”

    Al Gore never made any statement like that on the campaign trail, weeks BEFORE the election. No American presidential candidate of any party in any election has ever made that kind of threat against democracy before the election was held.

    If Trump wins, kiss future elections goodbye. Hello, Putin puppet dictator.

    • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

      ” Putin puppet dictator”

      An iron fist in a velvet glove may be what the survival of our culture and country requires….

      • Elrond Hubbard October 20, 2016 at 4:12 pm #

        Bad enough that it might happen, without people here wishing for it.

        • elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

          Not a wish. If you have cancer, you may go under the knife. No one wishes that, either.

      • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 4:35 pm #

        asoka salom

  110. volodya October 20, 2016 at 2:39 pm #

    The odor of desperation? I don’t know what it smells like but I know what it looks like.

    We know how to do this sez Leon Panetta, blind to American ineptitude and weakness.

    With all due respect replies Col Bacevich, no, we DON’T know how to do this.

    Hence, the calamity in Iraq and Syria courtesy of a blundering military behemoth, led by an easily manipulated, know-nothing frat boy who was succeeded by a pretentious Harvard lawyer with a golden tongue but a precariously thin resume.

    So, as Col Bacevich tells us and as the historical record richly attests, no, we DON’T know how to do this. Which makes the condemnation of foreign policy pronouncements of a buffoonish Republican presidential candidate by just as buffoonish creators of foreign policy disasters even more hilarious.

    “Tragic” as JHK sez. The Russians want to prop up Assad? Let them. Given the American record of abject, carry-your-ass-home-in-a-pail failure, who are Americans to decide who should rule Syria? Give the Russians a chance. Could they make a worse mess than the United States?

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  111. Buck Stud October 20, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

    Hillary now up in the latest Arizona poll by five. Virginia and Colorado are no longer “battleground states”. Monmouth–an A plus rated pollster by Nate Silver– has Hillary up by eleven nationally.

    And Steve Schmidt. McCain’s 2008 campaign manager declares the race over, that Hillary may receive 400 EV.

    This election will be spelled R.E.P.U.D.I.A.T.I.O.N with a national exclamation point!

    Indeed, I am reminded of this all-time classic Dustin Hoffman/Little Big Man clip:


    • tucsonspur October 20, 2016 at 4:16 pm #

      What would one expect with the array of forces against him?

      Obama and the White House
      Almost all major media
      The Clinton machine
      Republican deserters

      In a soldier’s stance he aimed his lance at the conniving, cowardly dogs who attacked him, to paraphrase the great Dylan.

      Yes, it’s the repudiation of all that’s honest, decent, and fair.
      It’s the repudiation of America itself, in favor of a corporate, wall street, globalist hi-jack, and a whore of a corrupt politician.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 4:25 pm #

        Ann just made a great point: why didn’t Chris Wallace ask Hillary if she will accept the election result – since Democrats constantly refuse to when things don’t go their way. As she said, they project what they do or are going to do on to Republicans.

      • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 4:26 pm #

        The DOJ, FBI… the deep state that all the posers here rail against.

        They run right into the hands of the establishment. The machine.

        The true ownlifes will be unpersons, albeit valiantly, while the proles, the working class and pensioner dregs that haunt this board, will be slaves, as always, to the inner party. Corralled yet again.

      • pequiste October 20, 2016 at 5:32 pm #

        Tucson, you forgot a few other Globalist tools and slime aligned and allied against Trump:

        – Pope Frankie

        – Mark Cuban

        – Sadiq Khan (yes, the Yzlamik mayor of London(istan,) England.

        – La Raza

        – The “International” Banksters

        – and the entire F.S.A. – Free Shit Army. That’s a lot right there.

        Among many, many others. Enemies of the late, great, free republic that was once The United States of America.

        The only thing that can change the outcome of the (s)election is Hillary having a coronary or a prestige terrorist attack in the U.S.A. that kills thousands or more.

        • tucsonspur October 20, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

          Thanks for the additions. A major omission leaving out the F.S.A.

  112. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 6:10 pm #

    Madonna pledges oral sex for Clinton voters

    And I’m good,” the 58-year-old “Like a Virgin” singer, an outspoken supporter of the Democratic presidential nominee, said to cheers from the audience.


    Buck, did you take up the offer?

    • FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 10:57 pm #

      Madonna will give you the best Wargasm of your life!

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 2:11 pm #

      Buck is burning a torch for Susan Sarandon, once young and beautiful, now just a nice old girl hag. It’s funny how that happens. Buck, you’re old now too.

      Susan expressed doubts about Clinton – something Buck can’t do. But when faced with outrage from the Feminist Church, she quickly backed down.

  113. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

    Eminem returns with anti-Trump rap

    Eminem is out with a new rap song that takes on Donald Trump, calling the GOP presidential nominee a “loose cannon.”


    What extent of desperation must’ve reached Clinton to resort to such methods of agitation.

    • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 7:33 pm #

      ‘nilla ice redux? He does know that he’s a +40 year old in a genre that only cares for the latest flash-in-the-pan. Nevertheless, who cares what a whiskey tango trailer-trash white boy with addiction and anger problems who made a career appropriating black culture has to say? Wait… democratic voters do. The cult of personality clique.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 20, 2016 at 7:52 pm #

      He’s wigger trash, straight up.

      • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

        The same tough guy with closet sexual anxiety taking out his anger with rap beefs with a comic dog hand puppet and… wait for it… Moby.

  114. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

    By the way, when I call Clinton “insane” (well, could there be a sane leader of the “hawks”?), I am simply stating a fact that is well known to all her subordinates. Now, thanks to Wikileaks, this is a fact known to the general public:

    I think she does not know what planet she is living on at the moment, says a trustee of US presidential candidate from the Democratic Party, the head of the Washington-based Research Center for American Progress Neera Tandem. This is evidenced by one of the letters published by the WikiLeaks.

  115. Cold N. Holefield October 20, 2016 at 6:33 pm #

    beantownbill said: Too many here seem to have given way to despair (I’m talking in part to you, Cold). I plan on going down fighting, if it comes to that. Better to die standing up for what you think is right, rather than resigning one’s self to passively accepting whatever life throws at you.

    You told me to kill myself not too long ago, so that’s what I’ll do — when the time is right. I won’t live in a world not worth living in because that’s not living, and to fight is to create more unnecessary suffering in a world that will already be overflowing in it. I will subtract my suffering and any suffering I might cause from that equation when that time comes. For now, I will resist and one of the ways I resist is by not contributing, directly at least and as much as that’s possible, to the encroaching onslaught that’s gathering steam. You pay a heavy price when you do this. You’re essentially ostracized by the collective whole that increasingly is acting like a Networked Superorganism. You’re told to get back to work. Get back in your office or get back in your cube even though there isn’t nearly enough employment in worthless jobs to accommodate my aspirations if I decided to give in and shackle myself again. When you resist in this way, the entire collective, most everyone with few exceptions, looks at you and reacts to your presence like those creatures from The Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Why would I fight that or for it if that dystopia is where this is all headed & I believe it is?

    Resist The Usurping Transformation

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    • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 7:46 pm #

      Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others, having no reason to live, why would they have any to die
      -E. Cioran

      • Cold N. Holefield October 20, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

        Exactly. I see Dead People. Lots of them. Too many, in fact.

    • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 9:11 pm #


      In Prometheus, Mala’kak, the otherworldly engineers, breathe life into a lifeless planet, by their blood, through their sacrifice.

      Ultimately, they become at odds with what they have wrought. The usurpers, the progeny, do not deserve the gift bestowed. The are unready, and unwise.

      Thus is the conundrum of the civilized. The inheritors do not deserve what they take, what has been handed over.

      The engineers brought a demon, we have ours…

    • malthuss October 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm #

      You told me to kill myself not too long ago, so that’s what I’ll do !!!!!


  116. BackRowHeckler October 20, 2016 at 9:35 pm #

    “Its been well known since the 1970s that feminism is liberating to men” — WPA

    Hey WPA we’ll see in a few months how liberated by American style feminism they feel in Peking, Moscow and Tehran.

    Speaking of Putin, that Russian Carrier Task Force steaming thru the NAtlantic is being shadowed by ships from the British Navy.

    Does Britain still have a Navy? Yes, and on the mess decks I understand you can enjoy petty good Halal chow.

    The Russians seem to be bringing some serious firepower into the eastern Med and Syria. Rest assured Obama has the situation well in hand.


    • Frankiti October 20, 2016 at 10:03 pm #

      Once Obama figures out what went wrong with Duterte, he’ll tackle Putin.

      Community organizer folks…

      From Chicago (community of hell)

      • FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 10:36 pm #

        Obama (and Michelle) are too busy serving as objects of personal hygiene for Hillary to pay attention to such nonsense as losing strategic initiative in Atlantic Theater of Military Operations.

      • BackRowHeckler October 21, 2016 at 12:38 am #

        What happened to the ‘Pacific Pivot’?


  117. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

    Showdown in N.Atlantic


    So, who’s won the debate? Putin, of course!

    • BackRowHeckler October 20, 2016 at 10:29 pm #

      I just scoured our local newspaper; not a word about these Russian ships in the NSea. On the editorial page, 6 columns and 3 political cartoons hammering Donald j Trump.


      • pequiste October 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm #


        Not a word here in the USSA as that Russian flotilla’s movement information is completely useless for Americans. However Khardashians, KAnye, and kompany along with Ellen Degeneres and host of Afroletes were splashed all over TV and print media like an immense apres-binge vomit session.

        Now had you watched any British TV or read one of the U.K. papers you would have thought it was 1940 – the Kriegsmarine’s finest: Bismark, Tirpitz, Shcarnhorst and Prinz Eugen were out patrolling the high seas along with the U-Boot fahren looking for merchant vessels to sink and Royal Navy warships to engage ( in wolf pack formation no doubt.)

  118. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 10:47 pm #

    To enemy does not surrender our proud “Varyag”!


  119. elysianfield October 20, 2016 at 11:00 pm #

    “Madonna pledges oral sex for Clinton voters”

    I don’t smoke, and I don’t chew…and I don’t go out with girls that do….

    • wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 11:06 pm #

      But you will vote for someone who grabs pussies.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

        It’s called reproduction. Women won’t initiate so men must.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 2:02 pm #

      What a dirty old girl. Talk about desperation – a desperate attempt to stay relevant and edgy. Sinead O’Connor has done the same, publicly raving about wanting a boyfriend who will do anal on her – even though she had completely lost her good looks and become a typical Irish bar slag.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

        Perhaps the exaggerated feminine dignity complex is Nature’s way of avoiding such antics. As such it serves a purpose. But that’s not to say we should indulge it as it can easily expand to infinity. Women think they are of infinite worth. If a man doesn’t have a jacket to throw over a mud puddle, they would have him lay down himself. And of course they would like to be able to point to the men who have “harassed” them and have them put in prison.

  120. BackRowHeckler October 20, 2016 at 11:01 pm #

    After all, an effective navy is so 19th century, so TR and Alfred Mahan. Unless of course it can be used to advance the careers of homosexual and girl sailors, and carry out mercy missions.

    We have cell phones now, and a new model is coming out next week.


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  121. wpa_ccc October 20, 2016 at 11:03 pm #

    “and the entire F.S.A. – Free Shit Army. That’s a lot right there.” –pequiste

    Damn, pequiste, I didn’t think you’d go there. Let’s talk about the real takers, the real F.S.A. takers, taking from us, the American taxpayers.

    Welfare subsidies for private planes. The United States offers three kinds of subsidies to tycoons with private jets: accelerated tax write-offs, avoidance of personal taxes on the benefit by claiming that private aircraft are for security, and use of air traffic control paid for by chumps flying commercial.

    Welfare subsidies for yachts. The mortgage-interest deduction was meant to encourage a home-owning middle class. But it has been extended to provide subsidies for beach homes and even yachts.

    Welfare subsidies for hedge funds and private equity. The single most outrageous tax loophole in America is for “carried interest,” allowing people with the highest earnings to pay paltry taxes, or no taxes.

    Welfare subsidies for America’s biggest banks. The too-big-to-fail banks in the United States borrow money unusually cheaply because of an implicit government promise to rescue them. Tens of billions of dollars.

    large welfare subsidies for American corporations from cities, counties and states. A bit more than a year ago, Louise Story of The New York Times tallied more than $80 billion a year in subsidies to companies, mostly as incentives to operate locally.

    We should not be coddling zillionaires and thereby sapping their initiative. Right, Pequiste?

    • pequiste October 21, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

      Au contraire.

      I agree with you that the Corporations (legal persons!) and the wealthy are in-fact the High Command and line officers of the F.S.A. They just behave better (in-public) and have nicer uniforms (as the officer corps is expected to.)

      It is the small business owners, middle class and working people of America who pay for it in the terms of taxes, taxes and more taxes.

      That is the reason for all the restive Caucasian resentment in Amerika– the reason for Donald J. Trump’s unlikely candidacy and success.

      People who work for a living are (to put it bluntly) plain fucking SICK & TIRED of paying for: mosque renovations in Iraq; resettlement of Yzlamik terrorists into the USSA; Kaneesha’s sixth chile (wiff six different baby-daddies,) Medicaid; Obamafone; EBT card; The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110–343, 122 Stat. 3765, enacted October 3, 2008) – a giveaway of $700 billion (and Ben “Shalom Suckers” Bernanke isn’t going to tell you who got the dough either!) then add Wells FArgo’s ex-leader Stumpf getting off scott free ( the bastard should be at the bottom of a coal mine digging with a spoon) with a golden parachute of:

      “Wells Fargo has paid Stumpf more than $250 million since 2000, when the bank first began disclosing his compensation. That figure includes $23 million in salary, $44 million in cash bonuses, and $190 million from the vesting of stock and exercising of stock options.
      He owns $100 million of the bank’s shares, plus stock options that would be worth $41 million if exercised at Wednesday’s closing price. He’s eligible for $24 million from his retirement plans if they were paid out in a lump sum.” Bloomberg*

      (Nice work if you can get it.)

      Among a spectrum of other gargantuan wastes of taxpayer funds.

      WHen the S.H.T.F. people like Mr Stumpf will be hopefully be meeting the B.L.M. hordes for some revenue sharing or retribution. Probably both.

  122. FincaInTheMountains October 20, 2016 at 11:09 pm #

    The Russians do they want war?
    Ask the silence that hovers
    On our plowed fields and our plains,
    Ask birches, poplars.
    Just ask the soldiers
    Who lie beneath the birches!
    Their son will tell you:
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want war?

    It is not only for our country
    That soldiers fell in this war,
    But so that all the people of the earth
    Can sleep peacefully at night.
    Just ask those who fought,
    To those who kissed you on the Elbe.
    We believe in that memory.
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want war?

    Yes, we can fight.
    But we do not want
    Soldiers to die in combat again
    On our saddened land
    Ask our mothers,
    Ask my wife:
    And then you will understand
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want war?

    The docker will understand, and the fisherman,
    The worker will understand, and the peasant,
    The people of each country will understand:
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want …
    The Russians do they want war?


  123. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 1:53 am #


    “Back in the 1970s, I worked for the Children’s Defense Fund. And I was taking on discrimination against African American kids in schools. He was getting sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings.

    “In the 1980s, I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas. He was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses.

    “In the 1990s, I went to Beijing and I said women’s rights are human rights. He insulted a former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado, called her an eating machine.

    “And on the day when I was in the Situation Room, monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice, he was hosting the ‘Celebrity Apprentice.’”

    In the first debate, Clinton proved she could be as gentle a woman as the country’s men wanted; in the second debate, she’d proved she could be as measured a leader as the country’s people needed; and in the third, she proved she could be as authentically annoyed as she deserved.

    In three acts, Clinton demonstrated the unlearning process that guides many American women’s experiences: performing for men, leading for others, living true-to-self.

    We’ve never witnessed such a compressed, gendered metamorphosis in American political life. For many women, Clinton’s movement toward her own power is a historical moment. We’ll remember where we were when fire took our shape.” –Melissa Batchelor Warnke (LA Times)

  124. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 1:59 am #

    A Gentle Reminder That Jesus Was A Brown Middle Eastern Refugee Who Would Not Have Voted For Trump
    He might have flipped over some tables at Mar-a-Lago, though.

    “Jesus was a brown Middle Eastern refugee child of Jews (Islam didn’t exist yet, something I had to point out to a guy who said “well they weren’t Radical Islamists”) who was born in a stable because there was no room at the inn. We’re clear on that, right? That’s the origin story of our nation’s favorite superhero.

    And then he grew up to offer free healthcare and protest against a colonial occupying power as well as its manipulative local patsies. We get that, right?

    And he died, murdered by conservatives who preached the rule of a police state over compassionate humanity. You understand that’s what you learned in church, right? That’s what that story is about.

    Jesus was a lot of things. He was not a conservative.

    Many folks rightly point out that the Bible is an assembly of myths and fables and stories that cannot be proven true. It’s been edited over and over and over again by countless folks (read: men, mostly) and it’s been a political tool from the very start. But if you say, “Who cares about the Bible?” my response is, “Most folks in the US of A, actually.” Believers are a vast and diverse group. Many of them are progressive, liberal, or moderate. And when the GOP is run by charlatans who wield the name of Christ as a weapon, the Bible does matter. Very much.

    Mind you, I’m not sure if Jesus would’ve voted at all. He probably would’ve been off somewhere with Doctors Without Borders, bringing medicine to the most vulnerable people in the world. (And you can donate to them here.) Or perhaps he would’ve been building homes for Syrian refugee children. Probably would’ve been doing something wonderful for poor children, is what I’m saying. Unlike Donald Trump, to whom the Lord would’ve likely had something to say about a camel going through the eye of a needle.

    I am 100% sure he would not have voted for a guy who talks about how impoverished Mexican economic refugees are “rapists.” He wouldn’t have voted for the guy who talks about grabbing “pussy,” sexually assaulting women, sexually harassing women, and so on and so forth.

    I’m pretty sure of that. Jesus wasn’t a slut-shamer and he wasn’t a body-shamer. Too busy healing the sick kids with the free healthcare and the such. Plus, he was kind to women, even women folks denigrated or shunned. He treated them like humans. He stood up for scared, vulnerable people. And he never said a word about men who fall in love with men or women who fall in love with women.” –Sara Benincasa

  125. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 2:09 am #


    The Diary Of A Young Girl by Anne Frank

    Anne Frank. What a loser. And she got caught. I like refugees that weren’t caught. Okay? #TrumpBookReport

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  126. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 2:13 am #


    Uncle Tom’s Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe

    Uncle Tom’s Cabin, worst cabin in the inner city. Terrible schools. Nasty women & bad hombres everywhere. #trumpbookreport


  127. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 2:21 am #


    Chris Ashby, campaign finance and election lawyer at Virginia-based Ashby Law, points out that rigging an election would demand a widespread, nationwide effort with the two major parties colluding at every level. This is why election law experts say it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to “rig” an election. In this country, voting is an open, multi-step process with scores of witnesses from both parties each step of the way.

    American elections are held in open, public rooms, such as school gyms and community centers.

    “There are no back rooms, secret doors or hidden hallways,” Ashby wrote recently. The ballots, voting machines and election materials are locked and sealed when they arrive in the voting place, and when they are removed after the election is over, they are locked and sealed again.

    In most states, there are “poll observers” in each county who have been chosen and trained by both the Republican and Democratic parties to watch for problems or efforts to disenfranchise voters during the voting process. The poll observers are allowed to watch the poll workers and other election officials, who have also undergone training to run the polling places and help conduct the election.

    Voters use equipment that is publicly tested and observed by party representatives and representatives of the campaigns, Ashby said. After it’s tested, voting equipment is locked and sealed.

    Stealing an election requires the cooperation of the Republicans and Democrats who are the polling place election officials, along with the poll watchers from each party who are watching the election officials conduct the election, Ashby said. It would also need, he points out, the cooperation of the another group of Republicans and Democrats after the election who are watching the counting of ballots.

  128. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 2:38 am #


    Before the debate, in 2013, Trump tweeted this in his Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump

    “Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow – if so, will he become my new best friend?”

    Then in the third debate Trump said “I don’t know Putin”

    Which is it, Donald?

  129. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 2:41 am #

    Leonardo DiCaprio has long since come out against big oil companies and their effect on the environment. Now in an influential display of force this past fall, DiCaprio and over 2,000 people and 400 institutions have pulled out their funds in fossil fuel companies, representing an extraordinary $2.6 trillion in investments.

    Pulling out their investments, or divesting, is part of a global movement to divest funds from fossil fuel industries and invest instead in new climate solutions. According to DivestInvest.org, in only three years since its conception in 2014, more than $3.4 trillion in total assets have moved money out of “planet heating fossil fuels and into climate solutions”

    The Green Transition is on… $3.4 Trillion is not chump change.

    • BackRowHeckler October 21, 2016 at 3:15 am #

      DiCapprio is a dooshbag.

      he flies around the world on his own private jet.


      • wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 10:39 am #

        What percentage of $3.4 Trillion is his jet plane?

      • pequiste October 21, 2016 at 10:51 am #

        HYPOCRITES always say:

        “Do as I say, not as I do.”

        A Gulfstream V ( a pretty slick ride, one must admit) burns about 370 gallons an hour. Your garden-variety Toyota or Buick roughly 3-4 GPH.

  130. ozone October 21, 2016 at 9:35 am #

    Sooo………….as the Shitbirds shitbird themselves into oblivion, their overseers wonder why their bosses are becoming anxious. (Not *worried* mind you, just a little more twitchy and snappy than usual.)
    Here’s a damn good reason, even though it cannot be acknowledged or illuminated:


    …Furthermore, where’s the Omni-state when people really need their help? (Like – life or death, Shitbirds, not some stupid bathroom conundrum or pretending that the Russians would be pleased as punch to join us in a friendly and oh-so-limited nuclear exchange.)


    Trust is dissolving before our very eyes, and the reasons for it multiply by the day. This is your corporatist empire on hubris and blatant delusions.

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    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm #

      When Trump refused to concede to defeat by fraud, you must have stood up and cheered with the rest of Real America.

      No? Why the hell not? Even Jill says Trump is better, and she outranks you….

  131. FincaInTheMountains October 21, 2016 at 10:10 am #

    Hillary flushes US down the toilet

    But I want to warn Russians not to joy on this occasion – with the disappearance of US nothing good is expected, and Russia will happen to detect on its borders the enemies, who were trying to destroy Russia when George Washington was still marching full-height under the table.

    And in general, so you know: the United States are the traditional ally of Russia in all conflicts, and the Cold War was an accident, emanated from the seizure of power in the United States by the Nazis, who killed President Roosevelt.

    Then they lost power, the war in Korea, but now one of them again, is trying to destroy the Roosevelt’s world, and, as she says, to prevent a second Yalta.

    But then again, Crimea is ours so is Yalta!!!

    And the Chinese army sent their units to the islands in the South China Sea and the Philippines, which because of this should be in conflict with China, instead falls into bed with them after kicking Uncle Sam out. And that Hillary Clinton shoved Russia into the same bed with China everybody know, but pretend that it is not so!

    Plus, the US still got involved in the war in Yemen in addition to the war in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya. And if she again provokes an economic crisis as in 2008, and she even spilled her fucking beans about it, when during the third TV debate blabbed about 4 minutes, between the order of the President and the take-off of nuclear-tipped missiles, the conflict with Europe is guaranteed.

    First of all my American friends can only talk about how Trump dared to refuse to recognize elections in advance. That is, they demanded of him that he for “patriotic” reasons recognized these fake elections in advance.

    And the American media only talks about this. But this is panic, as Trump refused to give this promise so that they would not be so sure that they will not have to answer before the special prosecutor, which he promised to Hillary Clinton, for rigging the elections.

    And yesterday they frankly, blackmailed, attempted to shut up and ignore, but in full accordance with my theory of the crisis of US political system, Obama interfered, by climbing to the forefront and began to shout how Trump is a dangerous man and how he dastardly dares to refuse to recognize fake election results!

    And here is a result, get it and sign on the dotted line:
    Trump can win California, and his victory in the general election is not so questionable


  132. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 10:43 am #

    Good points, ozone, about trust. Now even the Republican leadership does not trust Trump. After giving Trump’s racist and sexist comments a pass for almost his entire campaign, a slew of Republican leaders abandoned ship this month amid growing accusations of sexual assault.

    Among those disavowing Trump are 2008 GOP nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.). Some, including GOP mega-fundraiser Meg Whitman and (reportedly) former President George H.W. Bush, are voting for Clinton instead. Even the former head of the Republican Party, Michael Steele, won’t be voting for Donald Trump.

  133. volodya October 21, 2016 at 11:12 am #


    What’s missing? OK, let’s get into it.

    Hillary’s stint in law school and as a lawyer sez she’s “smart”. Because you need to be “smart” to graduate from law school. Leave aside the fact that she qualified to practice law in Arkansas (having passed the bar exam there) but not in D.C. (having failed the exam there).

    But you need more than just “smart” if you want to be Pres. You need qualities of judgment and temperament and shrewdness that very few people have. You need the ability to to assess complex and fluid situations, to pull together fragmentary and often unreliable information, and then make good decisions. Or simply to choose the least worst course of action.

    Sometimes, doing nothing when the whole world is screaming in your ear to DO SOMETHING is the way to go and the Pres has to have the strength of character to sit still.

    But Hillary in my view comes up short. Way, way short. Her record lays it all out, for instance, the health care reform debacle as First Lady, her calamitous stint as Sec of State (the email fiasco, Libya, Benghazi, pay to play). All this DISQUALIFIES her many times over.

    Then there’s her incomprehensible sticking by Bill despite his numerous and ludicrous extramarital affairs. Incomprehensible, that is, if you discount the possibility that without Bill she’d be a big, fat nothing, an anonymous lawyer in fly-over country. She’s using him IOW and his mis-treatment of women be damned.

    Not least, there’s the Clintons’ acceptance of tens of millions of dollars from big biz for – ahem – “speeches”. Which begs a question. I think it was JHK that said it, how is this not corruption? The long and the short of it is that Bill and Hill are in Wall Street’s pocket. As president, whose interests will Hillary have top of mind besides her own? You guessed it, those guys on Wall Street, those guys that coughed up megabucks for her. She will be the Goldman Sachs president.

    Then there was her Romney-esque 47% speech, you remember, her writing off what she calls the “deplorables”. As if these “deplorables” have no legitimate interests. No, with her, the so-called deplorables are all about ignorance and racism and stupidity. That in itself points to a severe inability to correctly assess a state of affairs, in this case, the circumstances of wide areas of the country. If you want to call her a bigot for saying what she said, go ahead.

    She does not have it to be Pres. As I said what is needed is someone with good character and sound judgment. This is what you have NOT got in Hillary, not by a long, long stretch.

    So, you think this assessment is just stupid? OK, you’re an adult, you get to make your own call. Same with Buck. But, in my own view, the choice is between Bozo the Clown and the Cloaca of Corruption. Take your pick.

  134. Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 11:13 am #

    Asoka Absalom

  135. volodya October 21, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

    Ozone, it’s deplorable I tell you, these deplorable, brown-collar, unwashed having the temerity to speak.

    I see the expression on the faces of various members of the commentariat who see themselves as “above” and “enlightened” and “virtuous”, that mix of condescension and disdain. Yeah, yeah, there’s the right of free speech. But, you know what the perfumed tell us all the time, the constitution is a living, breathing document, which gives these self-appointed adjudicators of what is right and proper the right to tell us who has what right and who doesn’t, whose values are worthy of a progressive society and whose aren’t and whose interests have merit and whose don’t.

    So, what you see in their superior, smirking demeanor is the subtext: who gave THEM the right? Since when do THEY deserve a hearing? No, like Hillary and other members of both the Democrat and Republican elite, they think all this populism AT BEST reeks of idiocy and ignorance, at worst it’s racism full and foul. And, if you’re a card-carrying intellectual, this is fascism bubbling in the under-educated, under-employed, toothless, tattooed hinterlands.

    So what do you do when these deplorables open their mouths? You shut them up. You shout them down. You show them the full measure of contempt. You say what you have to in order to de-legitimize them. They have no worthy interests, they are undeserving, no, it’s all in plain view.

    And then it’s all wonderment and bafflement at having lost the consent of the governed.

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  136. Cold N. Holefield October 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm #

    Here’s the thing, volodya. Everyone who isn’t connected and an Elite is a Deplorable to Hillary & The Establishment. Remember I said in my last blog post or one of my latest blog posts that The Establishment is shitting & pissing on we The Little People? Well, I meant it both literally and figuratively. Take a gander at this — I’d call this, quite literally, shitting & pissing on The Little People. Also of note, that area of town is heavily populated by poor people, many of them Hispanic Immigrants. The Irony Boss, The Irony. Am I right? Or am I right?

    Hillary’s Bus Dumps Sewage All Over the Street !!!

    FYI, after my latest blog posts my blog stats have been reduced to zero. Hardly anyone after the first day clicked on the links to two blog posts I provided the first day of Jim’s blog post & the comments for Jim are diminutive this week compared to the last several weeks. Something awry. That hasn’t been the pattern, so it appears some intervention has taken place to enable the anomaly. There is an Odor of Desperation in the air. Do you smell it? I do, and what that Campaign Bus was dumping is just a drop in the tsunami that’s ab out to wash over us. Get your Dive Suits ready, or else be swallowed up and consumed by the Tidal Wave of Putrefaction coming our way.

    • volodya October 21, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      Richly symbolic. You couldn’t make shit like this up.

      As far as government meddling goes, we’ve seen it here before. There’s approved narratives, and un-approved narratives. See, when you screw large segments of the country out of their ability to earn a living, consequences follow like night follows day. People get pissed. And then governments try to tamp down like night follows day.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 21, 2016 at 1:08 pm #

      See that bus? It’s no ordinary bus — it’s a Bus of Deplorables.

      Washington, D.C. isn’t Washington, District of Columbia, it’s Washington, Den of Corruption.

      Is what I’m saying a threat to Democracy, Oblamablimbam? Not a chance because there is no Democracy and YOU KNOW IT, you lying hypocrite.

      True story. The same day that bus was shitting & pissing, both literally & figuratively, all over its alleged poor, immigrant constituents, six miles away, the same municipality was back flushing sewage all over our downstairs bathroom. I am not lying. We had the windows open that day and we heard this loud truck outside. My wife went out to see what it was ( I couldn’t be bothered because I was commenting to this blog) and it was a huge city truck that had the manhole cover off and was forcing water through the pipes below. It caused the brackish water in the pipes to squirt up through the toilet and all over the bathroom. It made the house stink and we spent an hour sanitizing everything. We didn’t even know Hillary’s Campaign Bus was in town. But I bet you they knew we were in town. I bet they had that truck sent out to do what it did to us. I bet Hillary & Obama know our address and it was a form of retribution & harassment. The Stasi hard at work utilizing tax payer dollars to keep America, and its feigned Democracy, safe & secure. Sons a Bitches!!!!

  137. volodya October 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm #

    Elrond and Buck, if you guys want more, here’s more.

    You no doubt heard of the Uranium One deal, where a Russian company was able to purchase uranium producing assets in the US and elsewhere.

    No biggie you say? Well, it seems that given the national security sensitivity of uranium, several American agencies had to give approval for the sale, including the State Department. That being that same State Department while Hillary was Secretary of State.

    No worries though, right? There’s processes and procedures to assess these things, right? OK, as they say, money makes the world go round, especially when the interested parties to the deal, including the Russian company making the purchase, pay Bill a cool half million to make a speech and make tens of millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation. And presto, deal gets approved.

    Absurdly, that same State Department, of which Hillary was the head, expressed concern about Russian control of global supplies of uranium. Still, the deal gets done.

    Are you guys still with me?

    There’s those that say that all this was all on the up and up. Nope, no problems with appearance or substance. No problems with optics. No problems with exorbitant payments for an inane speech from a former President. No problems, none. All the forms were filled out, all the boxes ticked.

    And besides, the American public isn’t worried about such abstruse matters. No, they’re worried about gender specific bathrooms.

    So, you guys that say I’m just stupid and need to get a grip, tell me, because I’m just stupid and need to get a grip, if this isn’t corruption, then what exactly is it?

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  138. capt spaulding October 21, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

    This is an election where I actually hate the person I’m gonna vote for. The only reason for that is because I hate the opponent even more. This is probably the worst election I have ever seen, where neither candidate has anything appealing to offer. This is just another example of how far we have sunk. The corporations are raping us, along with the cooperation of the politicians, and we are expected to follow like the sheep, who never look up to see what is actually threatening them. People on the right and the left still think that there is some philosophical difference between the two sides, and never realize that the real difference is about who will control us (the masses). The one thing that I can guarantee you, is that no matter who wins, the result will be catastrophic for us, the hoi polloi. There are no winners in this election, just varying degrees of losers.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 21, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

      Closing the borders is nothing? What are you not smoking?

      Hillary has never repudiated Wikileaks. She basically admits she is a liar. Nor does she deny taking money form Islamic Tyrants. Or her people promoting violence at Trump events. Her only comeback was to blame it on the Russians. Well if our media won’t do the job and the Russians will, then we’ll get our information from them or whomever is behind it.

      Her other only come back was to say open borders meant an energy grid. A weak pathetic lie. Thank God for Wikileaks and the White Wizard, Julian Assange.

      Think about this: How can you vote for someone who feels no need to tell the truth to her constituents? She has two (at least) viewpoints on everything. And no, I don’t automatically assume she believes what she says to the Banks either. Maybe she believes in nothing – except her own stomach, vagina, and ego.

      • malthuss October 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

        There is or was a photo of her and Huma walking together, dressed alike.

        Must be dating.

      • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

        “Think about this: How can you vote for someone who feels no need to tell the truth to her constituents? ”

        -To some people, this is not a problem. They assume that politicians, as is their nature, will lie and do whatever it takes to win. On top of it, it’s a profession that draws inordinate numbers from the most vile ranks of society. The most despised profession in any given society. Most politicians are attorneys by trade. We elect the most disliked and loathsome people… to be leaders. Yet we wonder, where did it all go wrong.

        What is more perplexing, is that the democratic party has a huge constituency of naive and low-info voters in their core. The dregs, the dole dependents. Their ignorance is expected. They are too concerned with living on little or nothing, and simply want more. But then, then there are the willfully ignorant. People that WANT to believe that she believes what she is saying. College girls, the eunuchs that pass for men these days, celebrities, college professors. When they suspect or learn that she is insincere, they blame the source rather than confront and deal with their naiveté. These are people so absorbed by the fiction, the constructed narrative, the presented ideal, that they simply cannot and refuse to accept reality.

  139. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

    “So, what you see in their superior, smirking demeanor is the subtext: who gave THEM the right?” –volodya

    Once again, volodya, you can be forgiven because you are Canadian. To answer your question, the founding documents of my country gave us the right. More specifically, they gave us the “UNALIENABLE RIGHT” … the rights are inseparable from us: they are part of our humanity.

    Try as you might, volodya, your criticisms fall short. What’s unalienable cannot be taken away or denied.

    You should read those founding US documents. One is called the Declaration of Independence. The other is called the United States Constitution. It is all spelled out in black and white.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator** with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

    **Creator, Nature, Existence, Reality, Universe, God, Goddess, Brahman, Allah, Great Spirit, etc. etc. … the name you give it is not important. The underlying Reality is the same, and the rights are unalienable … part of our humanity.

    • wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

      “Try as you might, volodya, your criticisms fall short.” —wpa–ccc

      Volodya, your stridency actually has an odor of desperation.

      It seems everyone needs to put down some group or other: Muslims, Blacks, Bankers (especially the “international bankers” i.e. Jews), Democrats, liberals, Gays, Transgendered, etc.

      My favorites are Republicans, white males (especially white supremacists), Christians and military personnel. I am no better or worse than anyone else here… just casually enjoying CFN, with no superiors, no inferiors, and no paycheck on the line. I am nobody. I am nothing. Just in the pursuit of happiness… my guaranteed, unalienable, right.

  140. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 3:20 pm #

    “Richly symbolic. You couldn’t make shit like this up.” –volodya

    Actually, volodya, we do make shit up, literally, not symbolically. That is how it got into the toilet on the bus to be dumped onto the street. We make up shit all day long, assuming you are eating during the day.

    It is part of a natural cycle for our bodies to make shit up and then excrete it, or recycle it. And we are part of nature. Soon we will become waste to be recycled in one form or another.

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  141. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

    “Are you guys still with me? … So, you guys that say I’m just stupid and need to get a grip, tell me, because I’m just stupid and need to get a grip, if this isn’t corruption, then what exactly is it?” –volodya

    volodya, not only am I with you. I am you. We are the same.

    You are not stupid. You do not need to get a grip. You are sane and cogent in your communications. You are special. You have detected corruption. TI SALUTO!

  142. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

    Donald Trump’s attorneys asked a U.S. judge to bar accusations about his personal conduct that have arisen during the presidential election campaign, which would include allegations of sexual misconduct, from the upcoming civil trial over Trump University.

    Students at Trump University claim they were defrauded by its real estate seminars.

    Trump, the Republican nominee for president, has faced allegations from women that he inappropriately touched them. Trump denied those accusations.

    In a court filing late on Thursday, attorneys for Trump said evidence and statements from the election campaign should be barred from trial because they could unfairly prejudice the jury. The trial is set to begin on Nov. 28.

    • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

      Asoka Absalom

  143. FincaInTheMountains October 21, 2016 at 4:09 pm #

    Showdown in N. Atlantic

    When Russian Air Group of 70 aircraft entered Syria, squeezing the breath out of ISIS cannibals, our Western partners just went nuts from such unexpected disposition. And since the entire Syrian affair is just a part of a very large process, the willingness of our partners to act decisively proved higher than expected. Roughly speaking, a little more, and they would be ready to hit Russian group in Hmeymim. As a result, they began to negotiate and decided to withdraw half of the Air Group (now there are about 30 planes) to make partners more tolerant. Decrease of aviation activity was partially offset using artillery and Special Forces.

    Now, exactly close to American elections, Putin decided to put a final squeeze on jihadists. The main goal of Russian Air force Strike Group (ASG) is to protect Russian base in Syria. For this purpose there have developed a strong enough defense, even including C-300V4. When ASG arrives, the full air group returns to Hmeymim, and it will join by the aircraft from ASG – nearly a hundred planes and jihadists will come to an end very quickly.

    Our Western partner’s temperature thus will exceed the fusion level, but there’s nothing they will be able to do because of the powerful naval group, supported by the SAMs and the aircraft from the ground. Thus Hmeymim from poorly protected forward base becomes a powerful logistical support base, providing threefold air superiority over any American ASG.

    That is why they are now squealing so much – realized that they were fucked, but do nothing with it already. In less than a month the squeal will get triple louder, get ready.

  144. malthuss October 21, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

    Cold to me,

    October 20, 2016 at 6:53 am

    Get lost you freakin’ imposter. [you must feel so threatened]

    No, you’re not a walking contradiction —
    a gun-toting,[wrong]
    Libertarian, [wrong]
    Putin-loving, [well, lukewarm]
    anti-communist, [who could be for USSR and N Korea, you fool]
    anti-establishment [fixed yr made up wordy], [and you are for it?]

    alt-right nutjob hankering to shoot-up some public place in the not-too-distant future [you are sick]

  145. Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

    The US congress has failed to block illegal immigrants from serving in the US armed forces. The US military already serves as a conduit for citizenship for certain permanent residents. The ranks of the US military are being filled, disproportionately, by non-citizens, legal immigrants, and more and more, illegal immigrants.

    Why? Because the Pentagon long ago forecasted the death of the warrior class in the United States. Apathy (political) would set in. In short time, they would co,me to the conclusion that their country no longer serves their interests…

    …Leaving defending a country not worth caring about to be added to the list of jobs that Americans won’t do. A de facto foreign legion protecting the homeland. Sound familiar? Rome.

    They’ll go for Russia’s guns, and then come for yours, to them, it’s but a job.

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    • malthuss October 22, 2016 at 2:59 pm #


      I have seen billboards with Latino soldier[s] in the ‘dress whites.’

      So they are wetbacks.

  146. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

    2000 Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision.
    2016 The Supreme Court only has eight members.

    2000 Al Gore won the popular vote by 500,000 votes
    2016 Donald Trump is behind in popular votes

    2000 Al Gore said he would respect the election outcome and he did.
    2016 Trump said yes (first debate) and maybe (third debate) and wants to keep us “in suspense”

    “I would like to promise and pledge … that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election … if I win.” –Trump

  147. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:37 pm #

    After Trump loses he will not be leading protests in the street. He doesn’t care about being president. Seeing the landslide for Hillary there won’t be pitchforks and torches in the streets saying the election was stolen.

    Attention-seeking Trump is saying, if he loses he will hold his breath and turn blue. Everyone says: OMG, you can’t do that! Nobody has ever done that after an election!

    I say, go ahead and hold your breath. Turn blue. Nobody cares. Trump TV will be another bankrupt flop, just like his other businesses.

    Trump is using the election to gain name recognition. Trump is sabotaging his own campaign and has no interest in serving. It is disgraceful and Trump will pay for it in the end as he fades into oblivion, just like his father did.

    • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:40 pm #

      Asoka Absalom

      • wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:43 pm #

        Asoka Absalom? Et tu, Frankiti? Are you Asoka?

        • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

          Carol Asoka

  148. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:42 pm #

    Richard Branson, the Virgin founder, said Trump invited him over “some years ago” for a one-on-one lunch at his gilded Manhattan apartment. Soon after sitting down to the meal, Branson said, Trump launched into a vicious tirade, vowing vengeance on people who’d refused to lend him money during one of his six bankruptcies.

    “Even before the starters arrived he began telling me about how he had asked a number of people for help after his latest bankruptcy and how five of them were unwilling to help,” Branson, 66, wrote. “He told me he was going to spend the rest of his life destroying these five people.”

    Branson said Trump “didn’t speak about anything else.”

    “I was baffled why he had invited me to lunch solely to tell me this,” Branson wrote. “For a moment, I even wondered if he was going to ask me for financial help. If he had, I would have become the sixth person on his list!”

    Valued at about $5 billion, Branson is now one of several people in the so-called “three comma club” to criticize Trump.

    • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

      Asoka Absalom

      • wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

        Asoka Absalom? Frankiti, are you one of the Asoka sock puppets?

        • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

          Carol, Carol, Carol…

  149. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 5:45 pm #

    Three debates. Not a single question about climate change. And the press is supposed to be “liberal”? Ha! The press is owned and operated by conservatives aligned with the fossil fuel multinationals.

    • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

      Carol Asoka Absalom

  150. Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

    Carol Asoka Absalom posts propaganda so as to push relevant posts away:

    US congress has failed to block illegal immigrants from serving in the US armed forces. The US military already serves as a conduit for citizenship for certain permanent residents. The ranks of the US military are being filled, disproportionately, by non-citizens, legal immigrants, and more and more, illegal immigrants.

    Why? Because the Pentagon long ago forecasted the death of the warrior class in the United States. Apathy (political) would set in. In short time, they would co,me to the conclusion that their country no longer serves their interests…

    …Leaving defending a country not worth caring about to be added to the list of jobs that Americans won’t do. A de facto foreign legion protecting the homeland. Sound familiar? Rome.

    They’ll go for Russia’s guns, and then come for yours, to them, it’s but a job.


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    • wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 6:12 pm #

      No more “conduit for citizenship” through the military. The military should be abolished completely. The military uses 95% of the fossil fuel used by the government. A complete and immediate amnesty should be given to undocumented immigrants.

      The U.S. military is the largest institutional consumer of oil in the world. Every year, our armed forces consume more than 100 million barrels of oil to power ships, vehicles, aircraft, and ground operations—enough for over 4 million trips around the Earth, assuming 25 mpg.

      Using that much oil makes the military vulnerable to price spikes. In fact, a $10 increase in the price of a barrel of oil costs the military billions of dollars. That’s money we can’t use on protecting and training our troops. Or for anything else, like development of zero-emission clean and sustainable energy sources. Eliminating the military frees up $800 Billion for civilian and peaceful civilian projects.

      Using that much oil is also dangerous. Moving oil on the battlefield requires large convoys of oil tankers, a major target. At the height of operations in Afghanistan, one in 24 convoys ended in an American casualty. By eliminating the military there will be no more convoys, no more American casualties.

      Green Valley, AZ

  151. wpa_ccc October 21, 2016 at 7:07 pm #

    “Donald J. Trump’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, went on MSNBC touting the Republican candidate’s “5-point plan to defeat Islam.” She later clarified that she meant “radical Islamic terrorism.” But in fact her candidate has often spoken as Islam in general as his target, as when he said “Islam hates us.”

    It is a little mysterious what Trump’s 5-point plan to defeat Islam might be. Here are some things he’s suggested, though, and many of these steps do concern all Muslims in a blanket fashion, not just radicals.

    1. Ban Muslims from coming to the United States
    2. Put mosques under surveillance
    3. Put all Muslims in a Federal database
    4. Torture Muslims suspects; I mean, not just waterboarding, but really really torturing them.
    5. Take Muslim family members hostage to ensure good conduct.

    These policies are unconstitutional. The First Amendment forbids the federal government from establishing a state religion (despite the continued yearning of some Evangelicals for such an enforced theocracy). Discriminating against one religion is therefore illegal. Spying on Muslims not proven to have done something wrong is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Torture is a violation of the Eighth Amendment and of the Fifth Amendment promise of due process. Kidnapping and threatening innocents isn’t just unconstitutional, it is a federal crime.

    Islamophobes in the US often hide behind weasel words like “radical Islamic terrorism” when they actually intend to target all Muslims. Besides, that phrase is clearly just propaganda, since it is redundant and hyperbolic. Could there be “moderate” terrorism? If not, then “radical” is superfluous. And the problem is Muslim terrorism, not “Islamic terrorism,” since ISLAM FORBIDS TERRORISM. And if the problem is terrorism done by Muslims (defined as targeting civilians for violence in order to coerce public policy), then why is that so much worse than terrorism done by Christians, Jews, Buddhists or Hindus, or just by white supremacists (the main terrorism threat inside the United States)?

    Conway’s “slip” was probably more revealing than she would have wanted it to be.” –Juan Cole

    • Frankiti October 21, 2016 at 7:54 pm #

      carol asoka absalom newquist

  152. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 12:06 am #

    wpa–ccc, bad hombre

  153. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 1:52 am #

    A victory for Republican nominee Donald Trump would send stock markets in the United States, the United Kingdom and Asia down by 10 to 15 percent, according to a new economic analysis.

    In a paper released Friday by the nonpartisan Brookings Institution, economics professors Justin Wolfers and Eric Zitzewitz tracked overnight trading during the first presidential debate last month between Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton. They found that markets around the world surged as it became clear that Clinton had won the face-off.

    “Markets believe this election will have huge ramifications for the global economy,” Wolfers wrote in a flurry of tweets breaking down his findings. “It’s not just about us; it’s about the world.”

  154. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:05 am #

    Control of the House and Senate going to Democrats to support Hillary and her four Supreme Court appointments. Even in conservative states with conservative governors, like in Indiana, Pence’s home state, the Democrats are winning, by six percentage points. Hillary will improve Obamacare, lower prescription drug prices, expand Social Security, provide free university for families earning less than $125,000, and other progressive policies. Bernie Sanders is the big winner in November.


    2016 Indiana Senate

    Bayh 49% Young 43%

    WISH-TV/Ball State University

  155. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:16 am #

    Oprah: Hillary is the Only Choice For President, Even If You Don’t Like Her

    “All the people sitting around talking about they can’t decide … this is what I really want to say,” Winfrey said. “I hear this all the time, you get in conversations … where people say, ‘I just don’t know if I like her.’ She’s not coming over to your house. You don’t have to like her. You don’t have to like her.”

    Winfrey suggested there are much bigger questions voters should be asking themselves about this election.

    “Do you like this country?” Winfrey asked. “You better get out there and vote. Do you like the country? Do you like freedom and liberty? Do you like Democracy? Or do you want a demagogue?”

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  156. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:24 am #

    “WASHINGTON—In an effort to help voters make an informed decision at the polls, the Federal Election Commission announced Thursday it would be extending the U.S. presidential election by seven months to give Americans the opportunity to better get to know the presidential candidates. “We believe the continuation of this election by just over half a year will provide Americans with the chance to fully acquaint themselves with both the character and policy positions of Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump,” said FEC chairman Matthew S. Petersen, who expressed confidence that the American people would benefit greatly from over 200 extra days of election coverage, rallies, press conferences, and campaign ads. “Our commission has also worked with the CPD to schedule eight more presidential debates and three more town halls, so that there will be no question that every citizen is ready to cast their ballot by the time Election Day comes around on June 8, 2017.” The FEC added that it had not ruled out extending the election by an additional year if any U.S. voters were still undecided.” –The Onion

    • Frankiti October 22, 2016 at 7:28 am #

      Carol Asoka

      • malthuss October 22, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

        Humor is not allowed in collapse.
        I can barely hit the keys, I am laughing so.

        • elysianfield October 22, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

          Can you please explain the Asoka-Absolom-Carol-Newquist reference? I feel left out…even Malthuss gets it, and he’s old….

          • malthuss October 22, 2016 at 8:36 pm #

            This blog is 8? years old.

            Look back, there are posts under those names
            that at least Sir F thinks are the same troll.

            BUT is it a payed troll?

          • malthuss October 22, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

            Sir F is posting that WPA was Asoka.

  157. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:28 am #


    At the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner on Thursday evening, Donald Trump delivered what might as well be a campaign eulogy.

    “Hillary is so corrupt, she got kicked off the Watergate Commission,” Trump said, citing a false Internet rumor as the crowd turned on him and started to boo, something that simply doesn’t happen at lavish charity dinners at the Waldorf Astoria hotel. The face of one of the guests sitting on the stage behind him was suddenly struck with horror.

    “Hillary believes that it’s vital to deceive the people by having one public policy and a totally different policy in private,” Trump said, as the booing intensified.

    • Frankiti October 22, 2016 at 7:29 am #

      Carol Newquist

  158. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:35 am #

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio Is Trailing Badly In His Re-Election Bid

    “America’s toughest sheriff” is behind 15 points in a new poll.

    People are waking up in conservative states like Arizona. Clinton should take Republican states like Arizona, Texas, Utah, Indiana, etc.

    Hell, she might take ALL the states with more help from Mr. Trump. The “unshackled Trump” is doing a great job at activating the Democrat base.

  159. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:53 am #

    The 55 top retired American military leaders spoke out in an open letter that was just released to The Wall Street Journal. In the letter, they completely denounce Republican presidential nominee and alleged unregistered sex offender Donald Trump.

    ‘The American people deserve better than a misogynist-in-chief. Donald Trump’s behavior is antithetical to American values.’

    ‘If Donald Trump is not repudiated, no amount of training or policy review will bring the changes needed in behavior. During the Commander-in-Chief Forum, Trump appeared to be very confused about the significance of this issue. He suggest that sexual assault should be expected in the military “when they put men and women together”.’

    • Frankiti October 22, 2016 at 7:29 am #

      Absalom Asoka

  160. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 2:58 am #

    With No Illusions, Says Climate Leader, Clinton Must Be Elected—Then Fiercely Confronted

    The day after the election, the climate movement will ‘need to press harder than ever for real progress on the biggest crisis the world has ever faced.’

    Bill McKibben, author and co-founder of 350.org, minces no words addressing those environmentally-minded voters who are fretting over the mixed record of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton: Elect her, “and then give her hell.”

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  161. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 3:08 am #

    The Next Phase in Bernie’s Revolution Has Already Begun

    The fight for Prop 61 in California could be a watershed moment in American health care.

    Bernie’s crusade is known as Prop 61, and it manages to be both modest and earth-shaking, a minor element in reforming drug-purchasing that would set a critical precedent to stop price-gouging by Big Pharma. If the referendum is passed this November, the majority of Californians will see no relief other than as taxpayers; their drug prices might even rise as an indirect result. But at a time when Americans are deeply concerned about the cost of medicine, any measure with the potential to alleviate the burdens of the current system deserves support.

    Written by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, Prop 61 would require state agencies in California that make prescription drug purchases to only pay what the Department of Veterans Affairs pays. The VA enjoys the lowest prices for drugs in the nation, in part because it is protected by a federal law that prohibits it from paying above 76 percent of the average wholesale price. Polls show significant support for Prop 61, but that’s before gauging the full impact of a drug industry opposition campaign that could total $100 million, making this one of the costliest ballot measures in California history.

    • Frankiti October 22, 2016 at 7:30 am #

      Carol Asoka

  162. FincaInTheMountains October 22, 2016 at 5:31 am #

    Russian warships pass through English Channel


    • FincaInTheMountains October 22, 2016 at 12:29 pm #

      Over the next four to five months we will see how under the blows of the Russian AUG, the myth of American military superiority will die a shameful death.

  163. volodya October 22, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

    Frankiti, there’s tricks like the one you mentioned plus denial of service attacks. So there’s this constitutional amendment about freedom of speech. Let’s assume for a moment that the birdshitting comes from official sources. I wonder if anyone in CFN Land knows whether there are any court cases that deal with official hindering of free speech. Not full out DENIAL as in intimidation or bogus arrests or bully boys busting heads or trashing radio stations and press offices but rather the kind of nonsense we’ve seen on this and other sites.

  164. volodya October 22, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

    Frankiti, a critical source of American military manpower is the white working class. Stupidly, the plutocracy and the Demorepublicrat elite that serve the plutocrats actively worked to economically ruin this white working class. As if that wasn’t enough they insulted them – ie deplorables.

    The white working class took long enough to wake up from the culture war stupefaction but, as we saw with the Bernie and Trump phenomenon, wake up they did. And I agree with you, they’ll be questioning why exactly the fuck are they serving as cannon fodder for a country that works against their interests. The Republican half of the Demorepublicrats tried Jesus as a distraction from joblessness. But, in the end, Jesus doesn’t put food on the table.

    And I agree that what are in effect mercenary armies will never fill the gap. But people don’t learn from history. Rome is the big kahuna of failed states relying on outsiders to fill the ranks. Didn’t work out so well.

    • ozone October 22, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

      Did Rome finally lose the consent of the governed (to be conscripted, taxed, etc.)?

  165. ozone October 22, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

    wpasoka sure put in a long 12-hour shift yesterday; should see more shitbird droppings at approximately 3pm today. Do they get days off? Most slaves/indentured servants do not.

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  166. tucsonspur October 22, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

    It was a big mistake. By the Democrats. They didn’t fully understand the nature of their constituency. They conflated Trump with pussy. And white pussy at that.

    Now nine out of ten black males are saying, “Fuck dat white bitch, I’z voting for dat pussy grabbing muthafucka”!

    • tucsonspur October 22, 2016 at 3:12 pm #


      • Q. Shtik October 22, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

        and grabbin’

        • pequiste October 22, 2016 at 5:30 pm #

          an shuckin’ and jivin’

          “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference.”
          Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York State, 2008

          • elysianfield October 22, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

            “an shuckin’ and jivin’”

            ““You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference.”

            But you can on any street corner…

            Oakland 1968

      • sprawlcapital October 22, 2016 at 9:05 pm #

        As Donna Brazile would say it. The Chairwoman of the DNC drops every g at the end of an -ing word in order to demonstrate her poor, southern, rural, black, authenticity.

  167. Q. Shtik October 22, 2016 at 4:09 pm #

    During radio football commentary of today’s Rutgers game, Ray Lucas (you remember Ray Lucas, right?) said ‘so-and-so’ “was running with reckless abandonment“, Jesus H. Christ!

    • sprawlcapital October 22, 2016 at 9:25 pm #

      Good catch, Q. Pun intended,

      And has anyone noticed how “sort of” and its lazy cousin “sorta” has replaced overuse of the word “like” among young people who lack the confidence to speak without a verbal crutch, but want to sound more mature than their “like-like” speaking peers.

      Immature: She like needs to defeat him badly on November 8.

      More mature: She sort of needs to defeat him badly on November 8.

      Listen to young commentators on NPR, Fox, or CNN and you will rarely hear “like-like” spoken, but there will be lots of “sort of”. On BBC not so much.

  168. pequiste October 22, 2016 at 5:24 pm #

    OK OK – enough waiting for this weeks CFN obvious questions:

    Air Wick, Glade, or Lysol?

    Is there anything that covers up the smell of hate?
    The aroma of fear?
    The stench of corruption?
    A singular foul death or genocide most evil ?

    Not really sure, but I do know is that some cash or a SWIFT transfer of a few billion $$$$ makes so very much seem just laundered & as fresh-as-a -daisy.

  169. elysianfield October 22, 2016 at 7:34 pm #

    News this PM from the BBC site;

    Trump outlines his actions for the first 100 days in office…. I gotta give Trump credit for balls…he is really doubling down. Deport 2Million people, Term limits for Congress, de-funding climate change projects in the US and using the money for infrastructure. Like it or not, hate him or not…you rail against politicians? Trump ain’t a politician.

    Tremendous amounts of hate, political pressure, negative comments in the millions…he just gave his detractors the finger….


    • wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 11:09 pm #

      Trump is a politician, a compulsive liar, a narcissist, and a sexual predator, Trump is the worst of the worst.

      Adult film star Jessica Drake on Saturday became the 12th woman in recent weeks to allege that Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump sexually mistreated her.

      Drake said she met Trump at a golf tournament in 2006 in Lake Tahoe, California, where he invited her to come to his hotel suite at the end of the day. She didn’t feel comfortable going alone, she said, so she invited two female friends to go with her.

      “When we entered the room, [Trump] grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission,” Drake said, speaking at a press conference in Los Angeles alongside lawyer and women’s rights advocate Gloria Allred.

      “He was wearing pajamas,” she said, and added that there was a bodyguard in the room. “He asked me about being an adult film star, details about shooting porn, and asked about our personal relationships and whether we were married or single.”

      “After I returned to my room, I received a call from a man calling on Donald’s behalf. He said Donald wanted me to come back upstairs to Donald’s suite, and I indicated I did not wish to return. Then Donald called. He asked me to return to his suite and have dinner with him, and he also invited me to a party,” she said.

      When she declined his invitation, Drake said Trump asked her, “What do you want? How much?”

      “I told him that I couldn’t because I had to return to L.A. for work,” she continued. “After that I received another call from either Donald or a male calling on his behalf, offering me $10,000. I declined again, and once more gave as an excuse that I had to return to Los Angeles for work. I was then told Mr. Trump would allow me the use of his private jet, if only I accepted his invitation.”

      • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2016 at 10:59 am #

        A self righteous whore who just created a web page selling sex toys. Now think (if you can): would a whore reject 10,000 dollars on moral principles? Why reject a big pay day?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 23, 2016 at 10:57 am #

      They will pay. The slanderers will pay for their play.


      Poor Grendel’s had an accident. So may you all.

  170. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 9:02 pm #

    “you rail against politicians? Trump ain’t a politician.” –elysianfield

    POLITICIAN a person who is involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.

    By definition Trump is a politician. He became the nominee of a major American political party. He changes parties and alliances like a politician. He used to be a Democrat and friend of the Clintons. Then he became a Republican. First he said Mexico would pay for the WALL, now he says we will pay for it and ask for reimbursement from Mexico. Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop. How much more of a politician could he be?

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    • elysianfield October 23, 2016 at 11:09 am #

      “POLITICIAN a person who is involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.”

      With all respect that definition is sanitized to the point that it is meaningless.

      “WOMAN” a person with mammary and vagina.

      “GOD” spelled backwards (Makes you kinda think, doesn’t it…Janos, take note).

      In our culture a politician is one who bends to the will of others in a craven attempt to gain their support while running for elected office, or, when in office, to remain there.

  171. BackRowHeckler October 22, 2016 at 9:25 pm #

    Here’s how the grift works:

    Our PC Gov. and overwhelmingly Dem legislature sponsor and push thru a bill giving illegals drivers licenses. Don’t worry they say claiming it will be only abut 5000 or so. In fact so many sign up the system crashes, hundreds of thousands, who, it is claimed, need to drive to work. (it is illegal for them to work here, but no matter) Then, several months later another bill is approved (Motor Voter Bill) which automatically registers you to vote when you get a DL.

    That’s the way it is. Anybody who complains is branded a racist trying to limit voting rights and civil rights of our ‘honored guests’.


  172. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 10:12 pm #

    brh, do you know your own history?

    Only 12 states plus the District of Columbia allow undocumented immigrants to obtain a driver’s license. Over 40 states or territories, including colonies before the Declaration of Independence, have at some time given at least some aliens voting rights in some or all elections.

    The Massachusetts Constitution (1780) states: “And to remove all doubts concerning the meaning of the word “inhabitant” in this constitution, every person shall be considered as an inhabitant, for the purpose of electing and being elected into any office, or place within this State, in that town, district, or plantation, where he dwelleth, or hath his home.”

    Aren’t you supposed to be the law ‘n order candidate who follows the Constitution? The States do not go far enough. ALL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LIVING, WORKING, AND/OR PAYING TAXES IN THE USA SHOULD BE GIVEN AN IMMEDIATE AMNESTY WITH ALL THE RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF CITIZENSHIP … with no fines, no deportation, no language requirements, no 17-year-long “path” to citizenship. It should be immediate, as the 1780 Massachusetts Constitution states. Legalize them now!

  173. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 10:42 pm #

    “Anybody who complains is branded a racist” –brh

    They may or may not be racist, but they certainly are fools to go against human nature. migration is built into human DNA—we have been migrating ever since we became a species, ever since homo sapiens came to exist, that’s how humans came to populate the earth.

    It’s really only in the last century or so that nation states have tried to put restrictions on human migration—prior to these restrictions that have been progressively implemented over the last hundred years, societies survived just fine without trying to restrict the movement of people.

    We need to question the notion that it is somehow necessary to restrict the movement of people because for tens of thousands of years, the planet survived, people survived, cultures survived, without restricting people’s movement.

    And if we look at the ways in the last 100 years that nations have restricted people’s movements, they have generally been very oppressive, RACIST and exploitative goals that countries have implemented in trying to restrict people’s movements.

    • BackRowHeckler October 22, 2016 at 11:28 pm #

      Its all tied in with Pequiste’s F.S.A.

      At some point Whitey is going to wise up, get in the F.S.A. line, thinking “Here I am working like a sucker paying for F.S.A.. Time for me to get some free sh-t too”.

      Then again, if that happens who’s going to be left to pay for F.S.A. The whole stinking system will go down.


    • Buck Stud October 23, 2016 at 1:12 am #

      Your assertion is indisputable. How else to explain how a very racist and prolific CFN poster walked up the stair steps to the bedroom he and his wife shared only to hear the sounds of Cadillac Mandingo slamming the headboard into the wall as his wife moaned in agonizing pleasure?

      Put another way he selected someone who ultimately selected somebody else so very different and spicy.

      Silly human race.

  174. Q. Shtik October 22, 2016 at 11:22 pm #

    Here is the antidote to Asoka and his ilk (Seawolf, Elrond, Buck, others):


    • wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 11:44 pm #

      You never replied to the evidence from Minnesota that big government works, compared to the evidence from Kansas that tax cuts and austerity do not work.

      • Frankiti October 23, 2016 at 12:07 am #

        Absalom Asoka

      • Q. Shtik October 23, 2016 at 12:43 am #

        You never replied to the evidence that India proves diversity is NOT strength. Have you read An Area Of Darkness by V.S. Naipaul yet?

    • wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm #

      “In 1955, America was overwhelmingly white, Anglophone, Christian, and European, which provided enough unity to hold it together” –fredoneverything

      Yes, and there was a marginal tax rate on the rich of 95% which made things work. Then, Reagan and the Bushes, brought the tax rate on the rich down… and surprise, surpise… we have deficits and a national debt.

    • Buck Stud October 23, 2016 at 12:59 am #

      What antidote? Didn’t you read the part where Fred laments ‘concentration of wealth in the hands of the few’?

      This is certainly not a lament you or brh share.

  175. wpa_ccc October 22, 2016 at 11:42 pm #

    2016 General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

    48% Hillary Clinton

    41% Donald Trump

    (tracking 339 polls from 42 pollsters, updated one hour ago)

    This is bad news. It is worrying that Clinton has not widened the lead more than seven points in the last week. Trump is campaigning hard and could just win this election. I am so scared of a Trump win that I am going to vote for Hillary, not Jill.

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    • Frankiti October 23, 2016 at 12:06 am #

      Asoka Newquist

    • BackRowHeckler October 23, 2016 at 12:15 am #


      You don’t want Judy Benjamin from Code Pink as Sec. of State?


      • Frankiti October 23, 2016 at 12:28 am #

        Carol WPAsoka

      • wpa_ccc October 23, 2016 at 12:53 am #

        “Judy Benjamin from Code Pink as Sec. of State” –brh

        brh, yes, I very much want Medea Benjamit as Sec. of State, but I am a centrist, and a practical person, and a realist. Hillary has a better chance of winning than Jill Stein. Don’t you agree?

  176. Buck Stud October 23, 2016 at 12:35 am #

    “At some point Whitey is going to wise up, get in the F.S.A. line, thinking “Here I am working like a sucker paying for F.S.A.. Time for me to get some free sh-t too”.” –brh

    Didn’t you mean to type ‘Whitey is going to wise up like those days from the past’… days of “Socialist America’ and Federal Subsistence Homesteads –gasp.

    Make America Great Again!


  177. BackRowHeckler October 23, 2016 at 12:51 am #

    Yeah, its 1888, and Virgin Earth Upturned on the western plains by stalwart Norwegian immigrants.

    a more appropriate photo would be the notorious housing projects on the south side of Chicago. That’s what I’m talking about.

    I’m curious about he Socialist Experiment in Venezuela. How’s it going?


  178. FincaInTheMountains October 23, 2016 at 7:12 am #

    Russian naval task force heading for Syria

    Special piquancy of the situation lies in the fact that the Russian Navy carrier battle groups heads to the shores of Syria through the English Channel. The route is clearly not combat, as in time of war such large vessels in these narrow waters would have a hard time. Moreover, there is another route – bypassing the British Isles from the north – by Iceland, which is usually used by Russian ships. This is where you can safely enter the expanse of the Atlantic, without attracting special attention.

    And, therefore, it is in order to attract the maximum attention and a demonstration current route has been selected. The decision, of course, is not so much navigational, but political. And, certainly it has been taken at the highest level.


  179. FincaInTheMountains October 23, 2016 at 7:21 am #

    Donald Trump Has an 87% Chance of Beating Crooked Hillary Clinton

    On Feb. 25th with the primaries barely underway, we ran a report on the prediction of Professor Helmut Norpoth, a professor of political science at Stony Brook University in Stoneybrook, New York. He then predicted that Donald Trump had a 97% chance of beating Hillary Clinton to become the next President of the United States.

    Professor Norpoth’s system has accurately predicted the winner of every presidential election since 1912 – except for the 1960 election where the Chicago mob held back the Chicago vote until they saw how many votes Jack Kennedy needed to beat Nixon.

    Norpoth’s model measures a candidate’s pre-nomination performances in primaries and caucuses. It also measures voter excitement and certain patterns in electoral cycles.

    According to Norpoth:

    “Trump beats Hillary 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent….”


    • wpa_ccc October 23, 2016 at 10:11 am #

      “except for the 1960 election where the Chicago mob held back the Chicago vote” –finca

      And they way you have painted your fictional portrait of Hillary she is the head of an international crime syndicate more powerful than the Russian oligarchy. Even Putin and Semion Mogilevich are trembling with fear. And you think, just because Trump has a 97% chance, the Nasty Woman can’t manage to win the 2016 election?

      • FincaInTheMountains October 23, 2016 at 11:20 am #

        One more time, Hillary will never become US President, she may become a first US Dictator.

  180. wpa_ccc October 23, 2016 at 10:15 am #

    Finca, I cannot let your fake post (Trump 97%) go unanswered with facts. When you vote, you don’t elect the president: You tell your state’s electoral-college electors how to vote. In most states, all electors vote with the state’s popular opinion. If 51 percent of voters in California choose Hillary Clinton, all 55 of California’s electors will vote for Clinton — and none will vote for Donald Trump.

    (Historically, a few so-called faithless electors have voted against popular opinion. They never changed the outcome of an election)

    The Nov. 8 election has been simulated 10 million times using state-by-state averages. In 9.6 million simulations, Hillary Clinton ended up with at least 270 electoral votes. Therefore, we can safely say Clinton has a 96.0 percent chance of becoming president.

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