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That Dreadful Day

      For the moment, the trend seems pretty clear. Money from far and wide rushes into the US stock markets because every other conceivable place to stash money produces no return, no interest, no increase, at a time when the value of central bank currencies is slip-slidin’ somewhere south of Palookaville. The rush into equities gooses equities increasing the rush, goosing the goose. Consider, however, that trends by their nature must last longer than the moment to be trends in the first place. One thing you can be sure of: the trend will end.
     Another region of the trend concerns the recent peculiar behavior of gold and silver. Fear and greed may rule the trade in paper instruments, but something else rules the trade in hard metals: uncertainty. These days the uncertainty is very keen, not so much about the direction of the trade in paper – because the trend is up, up, and away – but whether the placeholders for the paper are for real, or whether you get to keep any of them when the dust settles at every dust-up. Markets can go wither they will, but it’s another matter when the government slams on capital controls and you can’t move your money or redeem it from your account.
     With the precedent of Cyprus now established (never mind MF Global), you’d think people all over the planet would be buying gold and silver as stores of value without counterparty risk, but the price keeps slowly sinking. I don’t think it’s because of the much chattered-about threat of confiscation. The US government could not be dumb enough to try to pull an FDR-style gold grab. This is a different land than it was in 1933. The people who hold gold are exactly the same people who are very heavily armed, and just because the Department of Homeland Security supposedly has been buying up all the ammo on God’s green earth, virtually all the people who are heavily armed are already heavily stocked up on ammo, too, and have quite enough to start an insurrection if the treasury agents come calling for their life savings.
     Though I’m generally allergic to conspiracy theories, it smells like someone is engineering the downward behavior of the metals. The central banks of the US and Europe have a big incentive for driving the price down: it makes their currencies look stronger – despite the universal QE policies designed to make them actually weaker. That is, it gives the appearance that QE is not doing exactly what it is intended to do: wage currency war by driving down the value of money and incidentally inflating away the cost of debt denominated in these currencies.
     I think the Federal Reserve and its TBTF cronies will succeed in driving the price of gold down, perhaps as far as the $1350 range, for a while (a moment, let’s say). But by the time it gets there they will have completely wrecked the economies they pretend to represent, and driven many citizens into penury. Now, consider that hyperinflation is always a rather sudden phenomenon. When it comes on, it comes fast and hard, by the day and then the hour. The Fed and its handmaidens will not be able to control it when it happens, because it will spring from all their previous actions, including the concealment of the loss of value of the dollar via manipulation of the gold and silver markets – and Ben Bernanke can’t pretend that his helicopter is a time machine. There will be no going back to undo what he’s already done. That’s the point where you will see the price of gold very quickly head toward $3,500 or even $10,000 and beyond, depending on the damage done and the oafishness of the political response. QE to infinity really translates into dollar wreckage to infinity.
     History will record that this crisis of confidence in money was brought on by men who stupidly refused to acknowledge that the terms of daily human existence had changed in 2013. We could save the country and fashion a new economy appropriate to the new era of contraction, but it wouldn’t look much like what you see out there now. It would be all about empty highways and empty WalMarts and people turning their energies elsewhere, to their communities, workshops, homesteads, and main streets. We’ll get to that place, but the journey to it will be dark and lonely since it will be accomplished by individuals bravely venturing where no politician dares to speak of, and the lonely individuals will receive no support from their culture or any of the authorities who play at political leadership.
     There could well come a time, though, when those authorities will be disgraced, dragged down, and trampled, and I would tremble to be there on that dreadful day. That will be the day that the ultimate TV reality show debuts. Call it: Waterboarding the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. When elites circulate, things get messy.
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. Shakazulu April 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

    Can it be true! Am I indeed first? Stop the presses!

  2. Shakazulu April 7, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    “QE to infinity really translates into dollar wreckage to infinity.”
    But what will I do when my social security check won’t buy me a glass of gmo milk? How will I survive in my later years if they turn my 401K into a worthless pile of paper? James, please tell me what to do! I cannot afford to buy gold and silver right now!

  3. adequatio. April 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    First!!!

  4. John D. Wheeler April 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    What’s happening is that the price is for paper gold. Dutch Bank ABN Amro has recently said that they will no longer honor requests for physical delivery. People are selling gold that they don’t actually have (“naked shorts”). When people start demanding physical gold, then the jig will be up.

  5. sitting here wondering April 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    Sigh. So, what is someone like myself supposed to do in the year 2013? I don’t have a job, I can’t afford land, I have credit card debt, I am no spring chicken and the health problems have started.

  6. John D. Wheeler April 7, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    Shakazulu, learn to grow your own food… learn what weeds are edible. And don’t dismiss silver so readily… you should be able to find pre-1965 US dimes and quarters for $3 – $8 each.

  7. adequatio. April 7, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Don’t worry about gold or silver; they’re in a bubble. Get to know your neighbors. Learn to live, laugh, love, and if need be cry with them, too. Namaste.

  8. John D. Wheeler April 7, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    Sitting, find other people locally, ones who are at different stages in their lives. The only chance we have is to reestablish communities. At a minimum you have the wisdom to be reading JHK, this gives you a valuable perspective. Everyone has something to contribute.

  9. John D. Wheeler April 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    I had to laugh at your reply to Shakazulu, I read it after I replied to Sitting. Of course, getting to know your neighbors is never the wrong answer. And there will be plenty of crying.
    I did answer positively about silver to Shakazulu, however, because he was concerned about the value of his 401k. Yes, gold and silver are in a bubble, but secondhand. The real bubble is in the supply of money, gold and silver are along for the ride. Their prices are not about ready to pop, but when the global economy eventually collapses and everyone is starving, you may be hard pressed to buy a loaf of bread with an ounce of silver.

  10. ozone April 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    Jim, you sez:
    “We could save the country and fashion a new economy appropriate to the new era of contraction, but it wouldn’t look much like what you see out there now. It would be all about empty highways and empty WalMarts and people turning their energies elsewhere, to their communities, workshops, homesteads, and main streets. We’ll get to that place, but the journey to it will be dark and lonely since it will be accomplished by individuals bravely venturing where no politician dares to speak of, and the lonely individuals will receive no support from their culture or any of the authorities who play at political leadership.”
    I’m afraid I have to wholeheartedly agree that the search for “a new way of inhabiting the landscape” (good phrase; who said that? ;o) is going to be a very grim and grimy business, and will have very little resemblance to an organized effort, since it will have to be arrived at through individual epiphanies. “Hey, that strange feller over yonder figgered a way to get more bigger veggies outta his plot by peein’ on ’em, and he makes his compost tea better by using a little windmill to pump air through it…”, etc.
    It’s going to be a hard go, because [aside from a few of us who looked into it] no one knows what methodologies are in tune with nature anymore. The gum’mint has been perverted into a giant corporate venture with all its’ resource inputs based on fossil fuels… soil poisoners (not helpful). I’m afraid there are going to be unnecessary mountains of corpses before this all shakes out, and as you imply, it could have been so much different. Damn shame for a people who once prided themselves on innovation and determination to fall into a pit of helplessness and foolish distraction.
    As an aside, I don’t think you or I will be there on the day the teevees go dark to witness the brutality of masses of “The Betrayed”. We may hear about it, but we’ll be tending to the business of getting from day to day and hoping to leave a few valuable skills and snarky attitudes to others who [hopefully] may follow. …And, yes, that’s about as hopeful as I get! ;o)

  11. Beantownbill April 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm #

    Given that the government has engaged in wars non-stop in the 21st century, it’s not a stretch to think it’d shy away from entering into an armed conflict with its own citizens. Hence I don’t put it past the Feds to confiscate gold and silver, or at the least, forbid its use as an alternate currency.

  12. Headless April 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    And I thought I would be 1st, given “nobody needs their James Kunstler fix SO bad that they would be checking Sunday night? Surely not! I could be first…”
    Addicts!

  13. Neon Vincent April 7, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    I’m with John here; this is not trade in physical precious metals, but in their certificates and ETFs. Also, the people in the markets may be suffering from both uncertainty fatigue and the lure of a better gain elsewhere, if only in the short term. Right now, people may be fearing deflation more than inflation.
    As for all the people saying one should get to know ones neighbors and pointing out that things may get so bad that silver and gold won’t get a loaf of bread, I’m reminded of what Guido Sarducci used to say at the height of the Cold War. When asked if people should buy gold, he’d reply, “if I were you, I’d buy shovels and start digging.” Back then, he meant one should build a fallout shelter. Today, I’d offer the same advice but to install a backyard garden instead–or even one in the front yard if the local zoning authorities don’t mind.
    I’m about to start writing about vegetable gardens again over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, both because of this month’s NaBloPoMo theme of Fresh and because I’m about to look back at Julie Bass’s struggles with the City of Oak Park. But that’s the future. This past week, I followed NaBloPoMo’s prompts about which environmental issues I most cared about, how an aspect of nature describes me, my experiences in the outdoors, and a thank you note to the planet. Interspersed among them were posts about climate, space, energy, and paleontology. Then there are posts about celebrities who keep us all in “the consensus trance” and the science of cute animal videos. Hey, I can’t be all DOOM all the time!
    Finally, here’s to Jim’s continued recovery. That he’s posting early makes me worried that he’s going back to the hospital. Either that, or he’s traveling. I know to say get well. I don’t know whether to say have a safe trip.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  14. ozone April 7, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    In league with the dark and lonely journey of those stung by awareness, there’s this:
    “…you cannot force truth upon the deceived. If a deluded soul is fortunate enough to stumble upon it, he will have found it beneath the rubble of his collapsed convictions. His most treasured, now shattered, verities will glint like shards in moonlight, as irascible circumstance has forced him to question all he insisted was true.”
    -Phil Rockstroh
    Good health and good fortune. May we all become “allies of fate”.

  15. kulturcritic* April 7, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    Russian Banks are paying good interest!

  16. RyeBeachBum April 7, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

    Jim if you did not watch ABC’s This Week Sunday show, from today you gotta check it out. Krugman was on with David Stockman, and Krugman was going on about how debt and deficits do not matter, and how the labor participation rate was shrinking because of aging Baby Boomers, Stockman was going on about how the debt and deficits were killing us, the looks they gave each other were priceless.

  17. lucky 13 April 7, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    Anyone here buy Gold?
    Anyone buying Bullets?
    Anyone here have a crystal ball?

  18. djc April 7, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

    There’s no doubt I’m a hardcore Kunstler junkie….I mean checking CFN on a Sunday evening. Really?
    Yep.
    djc

  19. RyeBeachBum April 7, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    To the larger point James. The German Hyperinflation went into hyper drive over a period of 5 or 6 months in 1922-23. Then they actually had to print their marks and they were not the world’s reserve currency. The US Fed can just create digital money to monetize the debt, and so they are not constrained by even the need to print, And that the US is the reserve currency is propping up the greenback, but if the world stops using the dollar as the reserve currency and the Fed keeps creating money at 3 billion a day or more hyperinflation is on the horizon. The welfare state will collapse, as will the middle class. The US will become a third world country in a blink of an eye. One with a very pissed off and well armed citizenry

  20. Cavepainter April 7, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    Ready to be tagged as domestic livestock? Why not, can it be made more obvious that America is now being managed as an industrial farm with the citizenry constituting the “live stock”? The culling and hybridization to attain a preferred (more profitable) stock has been going on for some time.
    Your economic valuation as “human capital” (er…… livestock) within this global market paradigm is much lower If you’re a family trying to live as frugally as possible, say,… off grid, or by growing its own food, or relying on such intrinsic natural resources as game and fish and heating with fire wood where still possible.
    Or maybe you don’t have ambition to become a high tech engineer for “making America more competitive in the globalized market” but instead prefer spending your life in the arts or reading philosophical works though neither contribute in direct measurable way to “gross national product” or personal wealth building.
    You see, America is, like all nations now, just another farm for global enterprise. Your citizenship counts for nothing other than how your existence profits global mercantilism.
    Citizenship itself has been commoditized. Yes, its for sale. Doubt it? Do you know about the H1-B visas? How about EB-5 Investment Green Cards?
    You see, your value as a family member, or civic minded citizen, or someone who values a legacy of wilderness experience, or species diversity doesn’t count for diddly.
    The plan is to simply overpopulate everywhere so that desperation makes populations myopic with immediate survival needs, thus more manipulable.

  21. lucky 13 April 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    From previous blog of JHK.
    Either P4C or EH posted:
    1. Admitting that immigrants can be “clannish, bigoted,” is an important first step for everyone (both sides)involved in the immigration debate in the US. Certainly this nothing new – but too many are EAGER to invoke the clannish, bigoted nature of [Pligrims], or Brits, or Italians, or whatever group of immigrants from ye olden days is being disparaged; while excusing and celebrating the clannish and bigoted nature of today’s immigrants.
    And yes, the Americas have endured the influx of millions and millions of clannish and bigoted immigrants – going back to shortly after 1492.
    The difference now is in the greater total immigrant numbers over a shorter time span. And the difference is in government aid programs and multilingualism and other multicultural initiatives – which enable large numbers of immigrants to live their whole lives in insular communities, and seem to give their children, even, reduced reason to ever integrate into American civil society.
    2. Today’s immigrants – with their high drive, clannish natures, and oftentimes high intelligence and/or educations – ARE HAVING AN HORRENDOUS EFFECT on native born minority populations, especially African-American. This is a dirty secret that these – supposedly liberal – immigrants rights groups are LOATH to admit.
    .

  22. lucky 13 April 7, 2013 at 11:29 pm #

    Did you hear about the school in Texas and the bracelets?
    I heard on ‘Coast to Coast radio’ last year.
    similar tech:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/rfid-tracking-devices-to-be-mandatory-in-u-s-food-stamp-program-2502900.html

  23. dnb April 8, 2013 at 12:35 am #

    If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

  24. WSHancock1864 April 8, 2013 at 1:02 am #

    Just catching on to that, are you?
    Not that I am being critical of you, it still puts you ahead of 99.9% of the Americanus Ovinianius, who it is quite clear at this late date, deserve every single thing that is to happen to them…to us.
    The old saw, “people get the government they deserve” is simply too tepid and lacks the descriptive nature of just how richly we all (yes even “those of us who can see,” as we were called in the amusingly dead-on allegory “They Live”), bear our share of responsibility, and have bought and paid for every foul thing that is about to happen collectively to Americanus Ovinianus.
    No one wants to look in the mirror. It’s all someone else’s fault.
    American Corpzis deserve no less than the German Nazis we have patterned our entire nation after (in a kinder, gentler, more plausibly deniable fashion).
    Not a single thing less. Like the Germans, most of it brought down on us, escalating soon to even greater heights of murderous madness, by the Sociopathic Abusive Aristocrats We Love and Adore.
    And can’t stop loving, for apparantly it is in our nature as human beings (but for a few statistical outliers like we weirdos who will undoubtedly be among the first targeted by the Corpzi State when it finally gets down to it’s real business) to desire slavery, the peace of not having to think or decide for ourselves.
    People bluster ths and that about freedom (like the self-described National Socialist Freedom Movement) but so very very few even know what it is any more nor could they desrcibe it in any meaningful way except in empty Corpzi platitudes learned at the foot of their TVs.
    What is coming, economic disaster if not collapse followed by 9/11 #2 and WWIII, The Global Aristocratc Resest Button which is ultimately just shaking up the bug jar and watching the bugs fight and starve until the 5 or six billion that need to go…go, is so very richly deserved particularly by the feckless and insouciant (tip of the hat to Paul Craig Roberts) American Corpzi Sheep.
    Sadly, like the Nazis before us, the suffering we will deliver to others will be greater than the tremendous suffering we will endure in this Aristocratic Pathocracy (ruled by pathological sociopaths – thanks to whomever mentioned this term here on CFN) even now preparing it’s Final Transition to Final Solutions To Various Problems.
    Still one, must take heart in Americanus Ovinianus being broken like dogs to heel, soon to be sicced on each other and the world. Thus proving the lack of viability of the human species, which can’t extinct itself fast enough for the sake of the rest of th universe, whih even now sighs in relief that this species will NEVER survive long enough to plague other planets with our virally destructive presence.
    Makes one wonder, on various worlds where intelligence currently exists, if any, if one alien is turning to another and saying, “Why I just feel like a goose walked over my grave.”
    “Oh, that’s just the truly ignorant and vile species that was to have enslaved and tortured us without self-righteous end, in another quantum reality, dying in it’s own ignorance and excrement in this one.”
    Amen and hallelujah!

  25. Heywood J. April 8, 2013 at 2:02 am #

    Thanks Jim for continuing to speak the truth and fighting the good fight. This country has been run by cowards and thieves for too long, and the center can no longer hold.

  26. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 2:22 am #

    Quite so. When ranching was young, they needed Cattle that could take care of itself, thus the Texas Longhorns – long of horn and leg, but dangerous to work with. So later on after the big drives were over, they replaced them with more docile breeds. Whites are the Longhorns – far too smart and independent to be allowed to exist.

  27. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 2:26 am #

    Still can’t face the fact that the Nazis were against International Finance and drove them out of Germany. Thus WW2. But before that there was a time of great prosperity since they were finally free of the parasitical bankers.
    Capitalism and Communism are both economic philosophies with centralized banking and all other human values reduced to quantity. Fascism is a Philosophy of Man.

  28. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 3:19 am #

    Fascism is a Philosophy of Man.
    Fascism would be just as efficient at doing the killing Hancock says awaits us. Fascism is just as deadly as communism.
    Communism killed 113 million people over a period of about 70 years. If you divide the death toll into the range 1917-1987, you get about 1.7 million people killed a year.
    That is horrible, but fascism reigned from 1933 to 1945, and in it about 26 million people were killed.
    If you divide the death toll into the years it was around, then you would get about 2.1 million people killed a year.
    Think about it for a second, what if Fascism stayed around as long as Communism did?
    Also let’s look at the death tolls of two of the most brutal dictators in the world, Hitler and Stalin.
    Stalin was around from 1929 to 1953, he killed 43 million people. That means he killed 1.79 million people a year.
    Hitler was around from 1933 to 1945 and killed 21 million people. That means Hitler killed 1.75 million people a year.
    It’s a wash as to which is worse, fascism or communism, but both have proven they are not a “Philosophy of Man” … they are philosophies of death.

  29. Hammering Truth April 8, 2013 at 4:44 am #

    Manipulation of gold and silver prices? You are moving closer to the conspiracy theorist camp everyday! Not to worry though, North Korea may be about to drop the big one over Nebraska: http://youtu.be/WZvw-DHv5lY

  30. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 6:33 am #

    The availability of gold on any quantity on the market is not a problem, right up until you want to keep the actual metal. Silver is far less of a problem but the market prices certainly do not reflect what is actually happening. Both metals have plenty of buyers. Certainly turbulent times are ahead and unfortunately the media have long since ceased to be a reliable source of information!

  31. Bill Simpson April 8, 2013 at 6:40 am #

    If you really think a meltdown is coming, remember this. You will need cash to purchase whatever is available to buy. Gold and silver won’t do it. And there is no guarantee that precious metal dealers will be able to give you currency for your gold or silver. In a few years, gold could be selling for $5,000 an ounce, or $800 an ounce.
    When he heard that Lehman Brothers was going bankrupt, one of the top people at PIMCO called his wife and told her to withdraw as much cash as she could out of the ATM. He is a multi-millionaire running one of the largest bond companies in the world, and he wanted currency in his hand in case the banks didn’t open.

  32. Fissile April 8, 2013 at 7:03 am #

    Yup. The value of gold and silver need to be coupled to a functioning economy. Ruined economy? Gold and silver are just cold metals that you can’t eat, or sleep in, or drive.
    Look at what took place in Germany in the immediate postwar years. People were trading diamonds for a few pounds of coffee, or solid gold wedding bands for a single sack of potatoes. Gold really “held it’s value” didn’t it? At best it will keep you alive a few more weeks. At worst someone will kill you for it.
    The bunker mentality of gold, MREs and guns will not save you.
    As for FDR, the reason people turned in their gold was because most of it was held in the form of US coins. If they were not turned in by a certain date, they became contraband that you could no longer legally sell. This did not apply to jewelry.

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  34. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 8:06 am #

    I can’t wait for those days to arrive. The former law will no longer arrive and anarchy will ensue. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Anarchy will be needed to eviscerate the old and usher in the new. Anarchy will be needed to wipe the slate clean, and part of wiping that slate clean will be elimination from our midst any notion of “leadership.” It’s a dirty word, and should be permanently banished and relegated to the annals of a sordid history.
    In this cleansing process, people everywhere should squash any and all forms of “leadership.” If anyone tries to assert themselves as a “leader” they should be dealt with by whatever means necessary. If anyone calls for “leadership” they should be dealt with by whatever means necessary. Leadership is the enemy of empowerment. Leadership is delivery into bondage. Leadership is what got us all into this mess.
    When those lawless times arrive, I will make it my personal duty, and I hope many of you will join me, to stomp out “leadership” wherever it rears its ugly head.
    The best way this can be accomplished is what adequatio so wisely suggested. The new path cannot be laid with the toxic bricks of the past. It’s time for humanity to shed this tired and worn skin. A great molting is underway. We are evolving. The amount of pain we must endure in this process is precisely equal to the amount of resistance we offer. I implore all of you to let go of the past and embrace our glorious future. Don’t make this a needlessly painful process. Pay it forward, don’t steal it back.

  35. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 8:12 am #

    Not to worry though, North Korea may be about to drop the big one over Nebraska:
    ===========
    I’d like to start a CFN office pool for this. I’ll take your bets. The odds are in The House’s favor. You can only pay in gold and silver, though. I will collect as much as possible and then have NASA geeks develop a method to deliver the payload deep into space so we can be rid of its pestilence once and for all.

  36. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 8:15 am #

    At the same time people were burning large wads of notes to keep warm! Paper currency in such times is worthless, gold, silver, diamonds etc will always have a value. What that value is is determined by the laws of supply and demand at that time. In Weimar and through the hitler years people kept and traded in gold and silver simply because it is portable and exchangeable. It has been thus all through history. Many of the problems in the later Roman empire occurred after the repeated debasement of the currency. Ironically a lot of which was done to pay the corn dole to the idle classes of Rome. For 80 years or so we have been devaluing our currencies either side of the Atlantic and events are now catching up with us. James is right on his observations on the stick market. It is something I often said myself.
    As I write this I learn that Margeret Thatcher our former PM has died. Her famous quote ” the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money” is one that will ring in our ears for years to come. Whilst most would not think it the reality is our various social program’s are just that but clad in the cheap suit of respectability. Buying votes by giving free money away. Government of all shades have been doing it for years.

  37. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 8:28 am #

    “In this cleansing process, people everywhere should squash any and all forms of “leadership.” If anyone tries to assert themselves as a “leader” they should be dealt with by whatever means necessary. If anyone calls for “leadership” they should be dealt with by whatever means necessary. Leadership is the enemy of empowerment. Leadership is delivery into bondage. Leadership is what got us all into this mess.” ——
    Ah but the mob will need a leader ! Spontaneous action rarely happens in human society. When mob violence happens to upend the status quo it is because a small core at the bottom wish themselves to be at the top. Inveriablely when they get there it reverts to the same old same old to a greater or lesser degree. Wether it is the fat bankers, the fascists cruising the autobahn or the communists in their zil limousines. In the history of my family we have the Welsh princes replaced with English kings replaced with the tyranny of Cromwell replaced with the royals replaced with rule by parliament then replaced effectively with rule by the EU. Each one promised better, each one took for themselves! The best most of us can hope for is to bump along in life not being noticed too much by the tax collector of day……

  38. Al Klein April 8, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    Carol, I understand why you are so negative about “leadership”. However, I propose that you really more concerned with the word and its usage rather than the “Ding an sich.” Real leadership arises spontaneously and is always shouldered by someone who doesn’t really want it, but it is conferred on that person by the led. Providing leadership is a great burden, certainly not sought by anybody who understands the responsibility and personal cost. Anybody who wants to provide leadership should be immediatly greatly suspect. Same goes for anybody that talks about leadership with the underlying purpose of being “elected” into a leadership position.

  39. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 9:14 am #

    Al, I don’t deny that is how the process sometimes works, or how it works most of the time, but it doesn’t change the basic fact that “leadership,” at least how we have come to know it, is a toxic convention that leads (HaHa) to bondage and mitigates empowerment. I agree with Treeman that there is also “leadership” by mob rule, so there must be much more in this transformation process than just the elimination of “leadership,” but at least it’s a start in the right direction, or another direction.
    Treeman makes the case that whenever humans have attempted to change their societies for the better, i.e. socially evolve, they end up recreating another semblance of tyranny. It’s true, that seems to be the case per the historical record of Civilization. But, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible, it just means that the diagnosis wasn’t correct, or if it was correct the prescribed therapy was inappropriate or misapplied. Ironically, it apes the experience of the real Treeman as per this article. This is great metaphor.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/16/world/la-fg-indonesia-treeman-20100716

  40. ozone April 8, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    Thanks for the provocative posts from you and the painter-of-caves. (I can still see the after-images of the hand-prints.) Although ‘Murka certainly needs some kick-in-the-pants provocation, it may be too late… as the deification/canonization of Maggie (WWoftheW) will soon show.
    Don’t forget your inoculation, as the Pestilence has arrived onto the comment section early, packing a huge viral load. ;o) (Someone might want to inform Treeman that he’s wasting his digital dexterity responding to various airborne pathogenic organisms.)

  41. lsjogren April 8, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    “Anarchy will be needed to wipe the slate clean, and part of wiping that slate clean will be elimination from our midst any notion of “leadership.” ”
    I always find it comical that there are leftists who serously advocate “anarchy”, apparently believing that if you destroy the rule of law that government checks will still show up in your mailbox.

  42. lsjogren April 8, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    Anarchy inevitably leads to fascism.

  43. LifeSupport April 8, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    I’m no “gold bug”, though I wouldn’t mind having some — but as James points out, uncertainty would make it hard to decide when would be the “just right” time to buy, even if I had the cash (which I don’t). One thing I keep encountering, though, is the argument that in a post-whatever society, precious metals would not make practical forms of commodity currency. I mean, gold and silver (not to mention gems) have only been regarded as having intrinsic value since like the dawn of civilization. I realize that the juncture we are approaching is unique in many regards, but I question whether this is one of them.
    We are all familiar with the tales of citizens of postwar Germany hauling their near-worthless banknotes around in wheelbarrows (and some of us have even learned of the peculiar psychiatric disorder called “zero stroke”, to which accountants were particularly susceptible, and which was a form of obssessive-compulsive disorder which compelled the afflicted to write endless strings of zeroes). But diamonds and gold? I won’t reject out of hand the possiblity that some German citizens may have been both desperate enough and economically illiterate enough at the same time to be willing trade these for sacks of coffee or potatoes, but it’s the first time I’d heard of it, and it’s a claim that doesn’t seem to square very well with the observation that during that time enormous quantities of metal coins were melted down for the intrinsic value they contained (which greatly exceeded face value).
    Got any references that would support the assertion that this was a widespread phenomenon?

  44. ozone April 8, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    Your comments are duly noted, but you’re nourishing a ghost. (It has no ideology and only projects an illusion of life in order to lead us astray and gather incriminating bits of information. Crude, but effective.)

  45. shorty April 8, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    Who are you going to believe…..a fabulist like Kunstler OR YOUR OWN EYES? The freeways are clogged…….mall parking lots jammed…..stadiums filled with happy morons stuffing their pieholes. Money and obese content peasants are everywhere. Jobs are readily available for anyone with even a minimal skill set…..can you fix a car or write code or weld trailer hitches? No? Then just get a back problem and a lawyer, and retire on fed disability. Now here is a fact: Americans are not going back to walking behind a mule on a hardscrabble 5 acre farm.

  46. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    Who is a “leftist?” Anarchy is not an ideology. It’s not even anti-ideology. It exists outside of the dualistic spectrum. You don’t capture it or contain it. You conjure it, and it churns and rinses. If someone claims they are an “Anarchist,” they are a fool. There is no such thing. Anarchy is the process of casting off existing “order.” Anything can come in the wake of that, including Fascism, but not necessarily. What comes in the wake is what the collective ultimately wants to manifest. If people grow weary of the lack of artificial “order,” they will leave that so-called burden to thugs who will gladly bring them their vaunted artificial “order,” but at a heavy price. People who have not known empowerment don’t come to it easily. It’s like an astronaut returning from space and reconditioning himself/herself to Earth’s gravitational forces.
    This is a nice public relations campaign, don’t you think?
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cI9j9DyrUFs/T8UJg1IV-yI/AAAAAAAAEHQ/KMbwpWP10qI/s1600/droney..bmp
    The U.S. can use these drones to keep the swarthy and hirsute mexicans out, and the proud, pink permaculturists in.

  47. Smokyjoe April 8, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    “Now here is a fact: Americans are not going back to walking behind a mule on a hardscrabble 5 acre farm. ”
    Here’s another fact: Starvation and desperation could do amazing things even to fat and spoiled consumers.
    Take away our illusion-based system of money, and that’s where we’d go: back to mules and hard rows to hoe. While we see some uptick in our spending and building again, what if it’s just the dead-cat bounce? Structurally, the nation is poorer than it was in 2008, and we won’t bounce back fast to those dizzying heights, if at all.
    Kunstler is less a “fabulist” than a Cassandra. No one outside this echo chamber wants to his his prophecies. Even I get tired of them from time to time, though in my bones I can smell “boom” all over that North Dakota “oil rush.” “Bust” will follow.
    As for how to move forward? Gold is expensive. If JHK is correct even to a degree–and it’s a big “if”–I’d stockpile ammo in popular calibers not to protect me from the Feds but to use as currency. Metal cartridges “keep” for a long time.

  48. Piper Michael April 8, 2013 at 10:44 am #

    Good Morning James,
    Excellent missive this morning… and right on target. The failure of the democracies will be in the failure of fiat. The latest missive by Herr Doctor Jim Willie (the man who called the crash of ’08) is fleshing out the new Chinese ‘alternate trade system’ that is also known as the Dollar Kill switch or the BRICS Development bank(to bypass the SWIFT system and stick it to the western central bank system.)
    When they make their decision(ie have enough ‘allies’ on board that hate America, including the Saudi’s), they will throw the switch, and we, are… DONE.
    Your world will crumble instantly, your paper will become worthless and if you do not have tangible value in hand, with worthwhile skills, you will be a victim. The predominant status quo of mankind is tyranny, and the last great experiment in men governing man falls. It doesn’t matter after that because it will be world divided… divided into the haves and the have nots… those who have civilization and those who have lost it.
    When you go pointing fingers of blame, instead, pull out a mirror and look, and see the cause. Those who submit to the Galtist fantasy of becoming a stand alone island, no man is an island, and Murphy rules the world. Without community you are done, even the most rugged individualists knew this. But if you form communities of skills, you may not have to give it all up, just convert to combinations of new/old ways. Ways done by hand… like wood powered and steam powered generators, black smithy, machine shops, and pounding our swords into plowshares. We even have a black powder shop for the cannon, good luck zombies.

  49. Smokyjoe April 8, 2013 at 10:46 am #

    Anarchy? Really?
    To quote the late Sir Kenneth Clark, “People sometimes tell me that they prefer barbarism to civilization. I doubt if they have given it a long enough trial.”

  50. lucky 13 April 8, 2013 at 10:47 am #

    ‘Yup. The value of gold and silver need to be coupled to a functioning economy.’
    Are we going into a Black Market Economy?
    Due to 40 years of ‘UnEconomy’ and Trillions of dollars in debt?
    Tell me what you think will happen.

  51. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    Interesting. So anarchy to you means barbarism. Wow. Control, much? I’m thinking you do, just not yourself.

  52. dmiller April 8, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Well, do what you want, but I decided enough is enough. We had $6000 in an emergency savings account and we withdrew it and bought physical silver last week. When I picked it up the broker said good thing I ordered it when I did because he was told by his supplier that he wouldn’t be able to get anymore for at least 90 days. Why leave it in a bank and let inflation induced money printing drive down it’s value while running the risk of not being able to get it a la Cyprus. Fuck the system and all it’s cronyism.

  53. Jimmy Drinkwater April 8, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    Anyone here have a crystal ball?

    Numerous are the nebulous comments of pending collapse and doom but I yet to see anyone say when. Or even layout much in the way of a coherent timetable for that matter.

  54. azgog April 8, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    Isn’t the Korea Kid getting a little past his best before date? If the world is a crowded theater then threatening nuclear strikes on the box seats is the equivalent of Fire! shouting.
    His Pudginess has been eating too much caviar and goose grease while the serfs snack on tree bark and locusts. Apparently he sees himself as a slick haired star in his own magic realism movie shoot. Time’s up for this little man – I thought this is what drones were invented for…

  55. Al Klein April 8, 2013 at 11:21 am #

    Carol, I empathize with with your sentiments but frankly, are they practical? Thousands of years of experience with “leadership” surely shows that it untimately leads to dictatorship as you point out. So maybe it’s just “in the wood” so to speak. And that’s the basis of why I suggest that your sentiments are not practical. It’s not that anarchy cannot work in theory, but rather that it will empirically never be given a chance, try as we might. It seems a sisyphean enterprise. If this conjecture is correct – and evidence suggests it is – why bother discussing it at such length?

  56. Jimmy Drinkwater April 8, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Though mentioned often enough, the Weimar Republic makes a poor analogy for the present day US. Germany of that era was strapped by massive war reparations forced on them by (guess who) international banksters.

  57. steve April 8, 2013 at 11:35 am #

    Mr. Kunstler is at his best on money matters and he is wisely no longer making timetable predictions. He’s spot on about gold and silver, but there will be other ways to trade if or when the dollar fails. Who knows – families and neighbors might actually come together again. The wailing and lamentations will be all about maintaining our vaunted “lifestyle” which will no longer be possible. Will this “new world order” come about swiftly and cataclysmically – possibly in the world of instant communication. But probably there will be time to reorganize, if the politicians and “leaders” will get out of the way – or be pushed out as he suggests. Great post. Thanks.

  58. Buck's A Stud April 8, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    JHK is not talking or espousing “anarchy”. In fact, last weeks post had “Entropy” as part of the title. Where the fool/psychopath/tyrant assumes the scattered dispersals/divisions of entropic remains (or, even more likely, the diabolical and intentional subdividing of ‘the whole’) as “MORE”, JHK has been espousing “LESS” in the sense of “United” and “Whole” self-sustaining communities.
    In other words, the scattered remnants are more numerically – thousands millions, pick your poison of delusional wealth- and the “Less” of JHK’S world-view is actually more in the sense of harmony and collective effectiveness.
    In that regard, a word such as “Less” – and JHK throws this term around quite a bit – is something that people naturally recoil from. And tragically, this is why subjects such as philosophy have been termed –non-practical by the utilitarian’s toiling for the Machine of Division. Because to study philosophy is to realize “ONE” weighs far more than any fluttering former part of the whole.

  59. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    Al, thousands of years is a drop-in-the-bucket when you consider the entire history of human. Conventional wisdom asserts civilization is advancement, or superior in some way to what came before. How so? It currently extincts far many more species than are created and it has so thoroughly fouled the environment and compromised the planet’s life-sustaining capabilities that it threatens even its own existence. That is not progress. That is not evolution. That is a path that never should have been taken. We could easily, yet quite involuntarily, revert to something resembling our pre-civilized roots rather than a world made by hand. There is nothing “in the wood.” You sound like Sherif Ali in Lawrence of Arabia when he says “it is written.” Nothing is written that cannot be erased and overwritten.
    What should we talk about instead, Al? North Korea? Iran? Gold and Silver? Immigration? I thought that is what we were talking about, just in a broader, more existential sense, i.e. how we got here, and where it’s all going, or where we want it to go if there is even a consensus in the matter.

  60. CaptSpaulding April 8, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    I remember reading that the definition of Facism is capitalism minus the regulations. As far as the economy, traditionally the only things worth a damn during times of economic upheaval, are whiskey, guns & gold.

  61. Al Klein April 8, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Carol… I don’t greatly disagree with any of the points that you make in your most recent retort, though I could quibble just a slight bit. I mean, for example, how do you know that it’s not just in our nature (“in the wood”) to be the way we apparently are? It is, I hope, just a conjecture on your part, not an assertion. Then too, you reflect, seemingly a bit fondly, on our pre-civilized roots. I’m sure parts of that life were eminently more acceptable than our current existence. But of course we died rather readily of minor infections back then. And we got eaten by the beasts too. And who’s to say that there weren’t “strongmen” in the communal unit back then?
    But my purpose is not to argue but converse. From my perspective, there is no meaning to “progress” per se. It is a biased notion, biased by those who believe they have advantage to gain. Our purposeful existence should be to reduce suffering, if possible, however it ramifies itself over the eons. Invariably reducing suffering creates different suffering in another sphere. Unfortunately we cannot add or or subtract from what is – except perhaps for having the noble intent.

  62. budizwiser April 8, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Where do you get your “news?”
    I think anyone who had followed the “current events” over the last three or four years would have hard time believing that so many people are being misled so few.
    But in this disparity between “life as we know it” and the coming realities resource scarcity all that separate us is our individual sense of urgency, or individual sense of collective or individual responsibility.
    I think I have considerably more accurate idea of what the coming years will bring. The single most curious aspect of comments on this Blog is the vast chasm between where we are now – and where we will eventually end up.
    Everyone here keeps commenting about some future – but refuses to simply address any of the importance of next year’s activities.
    So far, all we need know is that discretionary income is being destroyed by many of the world’s central banks.
    Maybe that is the best way to a future world made by hand.
    Your thoughts?

  63. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    “Though mentioned often enough, the Weimar Republic makes a poor analogy for the present day US. Germany of that era was strapped by massive war reparations forced on them by (guess who) international bankers”—
    This is a common mistake that people make when trying to wrestle with these thoughts. What happened in Weimar was that the government of the could not pay its bills. If interest rate rise the US government could find itself in the same position. Quite simply for too long they have lived life on credit and eventually it all breaks down. Many here in the UK bought into property on the basis that the price would never fall. They reasoned that because the last property crash was caused by high interest rates so would the next one. What they failed to realise it that it was not the interest rates that caused the last fall but the inability for the household to pay the mortgage. The inability to pay can have a myriad of causes but only one outcome. This is what is happening across Europe now. They cannot devalue their currency , as have the US and UK through QE. Faith in their treasury bills has become shaky as many doubt their ability to pay. In the case of many state owned banks and institutions it is obvious they cannot pay. That is what happened in Weimar. Trouble is this time too many countries are in the same position.

  64. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    “‘Yup. The value of gold and silver need to be coupled to a functioning economy.’
    Are we going into a Black Market Economy?
    Due to 40 years of ‘UnEconomy’ and Trillions of dollars in debt?
    Tell me what you think will happen.”
    Actually they don’t. If you look at the period of Britain after the Roman occupation ended @400ad. Today that period up until about 1200ad has a fairly sketchy history but the one thing that stands out is the use of gold and silver as a transportable method of barter. Because nobody trusted coinage scales and touchstones were in common usage and coins from the middle east have been found in Scotland. The head on the coin was unimportant, it’s metal content was! As another poster points out you could use say ammunition. The medium is relelatively unimportant. Its most important attributes are rarity and being transportable. For this gold and silver have won hands down for thousands of years and of course why it was originally chosen for currency!

  65. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    Uh no. That’s Plutocracy which is what we have now. In Fascism, small and medium sized businesses are left alone. The Industries which are naturally large and key to the Nation are asked to cooperate with the Goverment – if not other people who will cooperate are found. It’s far more elegant than Nationalizing per se. And of course light years ahead of the Maoist putting distinguished men out in the fields to work.

  66. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

    Al, yes, of course I’m conjecturing. We all are when it comes to the matters you and I are discussing. I am not so firm in my convictions that I am intellectually immobilized by them, and in fact, I don’t think I would label my views as convictions. I like to keep an open mind in order to consider all evidence, all the time.
    You and I having this conversation has already opened a new pathway and that scene from Lawrence of Arabia is actually good metaphor for what we are discussing.
    Lawrence was hell-bent on returning to the Devil’s Anvil to retrieve one of Sherif Ali’s fellow tribesman. Apparently, this person fell off his camel when they were traveling under the cover of darkness and no one noticed until hours later when day broke. Sherif Ali is furious with Lawrence and tries to hold him back. In this process, he says to Lawrence that such and such’s fate is already determined….that “it is written.” Lawrence emphatically replies that “nothing is written except what we ourselves write in here” as he points to his head.
    What’s interesting about this is that Lawrence represents industrial civilization and all it implies and entails. He believes in shirking the so-called natural order of things as legislated by Sherif Ali’s God, Allah. Lawrence’s motivation to save the fallen comrade was of noble intent, but what Lawrence represents as industrial civilization is its proclivity to make ten more deferred problems of suffering for every one it alleviates. As backwards as Sherif Ali appears to Lawrence with his “it is written” obstinance, it cannot be denied that what Serif Ali knows yet cannot articulate is that his way of life is one that has sustained him and his kind for hundreds of thousands of years, and what Lawrence represents can only come to ruin.
    Perhaps I stand corrected. It is written, but can never be read or known directly. The “knowing” is by some alternative means, one not identifiable by Western systems of classification.

  67. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    U.S Army now sees much of Christianity as extremism, the same as Al Qaeda – but not Islam itself of course. They’re great.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304739/Army-Reserve-training-material-lists-Catholics-evangelical-Christians-Jews-religious-extremism-category-KKK-Hamas-Al-Qaeda.html

  68. Rhino April 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    First a bit of unfinished business from last week.
    Janos made the assertion that Romans were specifically Nordics. Personally I don’t give a damn whether the Romans were in actual fact Nordics by ancestry or Basque or Kikuyu. But this business about the Romans being Nordics is a bit of fairy-tale propagated by German Nazis in the last century designed to give credit to northern Europeans (or what the Nazis saw as the Master Race) for accomplishments that weren’t theirs.
    The Nazis used to say that when you look at the busts of those Romans like Julius Caesar etc they wouldn’t look out of place in the Prussian Senate or the British House of Lords. Which “proves” their northern origins. Which is a bit of delusional thinking grounded in perplexity that the civilization that ours is founded on (ie Roman) didn’t originate in the north (where it should have according to Nazi racists) but in the south. And so they came up with tales of incursions of northerners with their supposedly greater vigor and energy and intellect to assume leadership as aristocratic elites in langorous southern populations and inseminated those feckless societies with the idea of organizing into city states and empires etc.
    Which I suppose again begs the question: why weren’t cities like Rome and Athens first built in the north where there existed peoples with the greatest concentration of this allegedly superior genetic endowment? Because by the time that Rome was founded sometime around 1,000BC agriculture was well established all over Europe, north and south. Couldn’t Rome and Athens with their spectacular successes have been founded in the north? Maybe could have been, maybe should have been, according to racists, but weren’t. Which undermines the theory of northern superiority. Which really bugs the racist’s ass. But never mind. People will concoct whatever nonsensical legends they need to. Like these stories of blonde northern elites directing the energies of darker, lesser breeds.

  69. Rhino April 8, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    And so to today’s business. Others are thinking along the same lines ie that the Fed along with its too-big-to-jail poodle-boys in too-big-to-fail banks are manipulating the price of gold in order to maintain the illusion of financial health. Or maybe Bernake is the poodle-boy. I get so confused.
    I mean, how can the price of gold be so low if things are so bad? Right? Violates the time honored principle that people flee paper currency in times of financial peril for the safety of tangible metal. Right?
    Well, some are thinking along the lines that this pounding down of the price of gold is maybe buying a bit of time but also creating buying opportunities for people that are holding US dollars (like the Chinese) but would rather dump them given the Fed’s policy of debasement. And, I mean, holding US Treasuries gives you return free risk.
    So why wouldn’t the Chinese and especially Indians with their fondness for the yellow metal dump USD and start to buy now and save a few hundred bucks an ounce compared to the price they would have paid a short time ago? Which will, in due course, act to once again push up the price of gold.
    I agree that the actions of the Fed will ultimately fail. Maybe it’s way too much for Nobel laureates comfortably ensconced in teaching positions in elite universities and Central bank governors to get their heads around. So maybe we on this site should be the Nobel prize winners. Or maybe they know it but won’t talk about it. But anyway we all know what the intellectual bigwigs won’t say out loud. That there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Which is what all this incontinent money printing is about. One trillion dollars per year.
    The big question being, now that the fuck-up in Cyprus let the confiscatory cat out of the bag, when willl the US govt go to your friendly local banker and heist your savings? As many have said, the Fed is a totally corrupt institution. Do we think that such a small matter as thievery will stop them in the quest to protect Wall Street?
    Make no mistake, the Fed is doing it already via its electronic printing press. It’s just slow motion theft. But elite tax evasion needs to be financed somehow. How do you make up the difference to the federal treasury in what the 1% (or point one percent) hide in offshore accounts? That’s a tough circle to square. Very tough to track down all this offshore money, very hard to prosecute particularly when the govt doesn’t want to. Very easy instead to swipe the dough from your bank account.

  70. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    My favorite Mouseketeer, Annette Funicello, has passed to that great Maus Haus in the sky. Also Maggie Thatcher – who didn’t believe Society existed.
    http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=800975&ocid=ansent11

  71. Bustin Jay April 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    xradar detected, “Who are you going to believe…..a fabulist like Kunstler OR YOUR OWN EYES?”
    “The freeways are clogged…” True.
    “….mall parking lots jammed…” True.
    “…stadiums filled with happy morons stuffing their pieholes…” Ditto.
    “Money and obese content peasants are everywhere.” Somehow, true.
    “Jobs are readily available for anyone with even a minimal skill set…” Not doubting it.
    “…can you fix a car or write code or weld trailer hitches? No? Then just get a back problem and a lawyer, and retire on fed disability.” Nailed the first three precepts of our modern labor economy. Can’t argue with the second industry.
    “…Americans are not going back to walking behind a mule on a hardscrabble 5 acre farm.” And thats why we’re offering unlimited illegal immigration. Last week I mentioned the average income for a farmer in America is about 19k/yr. I then realized that to the 2 billion people making about $2/day, it would seem quite an incentive to smuggle themselves into the U.S. agricultural sector as soon as humanly possible before the amnesty hits. (And lets face it, it is happening.) They will be welcomed with open arms. The slaughterhouse needs people. The fields need to be weeded, the produce harvested, and so on. If they tire of that, there is advancement into the OTHER great American agricultural experiment, the civic disaster of suburbia, in which plants are placed to look pretty (according to someone’s definition of pretty), but not to eat.

  72. ComradeDystopia April 8, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    Don’t worry about NKorea. Right now, in West Hollywood, Privincetown, Key West, Berkeley, Ann Arbor, the upper West Side and dozens of other eclectic places across the USA, Panettas New Model US Army, uniformed in pink, consisting soley of women, Gays and Tranvestites, are furiously training to kick some North Korean Ass.
    –CD

  73. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    It’s hard for you I know. Fair skinner Northerners would conquer the Dark Skinned Southerners – who were often more advanced in material terms at least. Ever hear of the Dorian Invasion – which ended the Ancient Greek Culture and began what would become the Classical One?
    Same thing happened in India. Now again you have distorted what I said in order to create a straw man you could burn. Obviously the Southern Peoples contributed as much or more. India is an example of the blending of Whites and Causcasians. Greece and Rome are examples of Arayans and Alpines merging together with Meditteraneans.
    You have to give up your hatred of Nordics. It’s expecially bizarre in light of your Anglophillia. But I guess like most immigrants, you think you can do better and that you are the real Canadian or Englishman or American. American has created a whole propaganda loop based on this kind of thing: America is a Nation of Immigrants. Immigration is the essence of America. Therefore Immigrants are more American than native born Americans. Crazy, vile stuff – as if some Somali is more American than a White American. The Somali will never be American.

  74. ASPO Article 1037 April 8, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    See 7:03 AM entry by Fissile – the trouble with Gold
    There are on the books “Federal Executive Emergency Order” statutes, held in abeyance until the President or his designee signs them into effect of law.
    They include language giving government officials & agencies ability to effect freezing of rental and home mortgage payments, confiscation of strategic materials, means of production, motor fuels, transportation elements (particularly aviation & railways) food distribution and precious metal coinage & bullion. Ideas held by many, some say 20 million, of “seceding” from the Union are silly fantasy.
    Any US President black white or female will exert necessary means to maintain governmental command & control. Included in other Exec Orders are statutes having specific outlines for gaining back Federal/State control of areas of rebellion. Like Gort, the Feds have the power to destroy the earth- People claiming they are ready to defend themselves against “Gummint” are sadly unaware of whatever brute force the American military exerts overseas is only a shadow of what would be expended to regain/defend territorial control in & of the homeland boundaries of the lower 48. Let it go at that… Fair warning to foreign adversaries as well!
    Biblical reference on Gold & Silver is nicely wrapped up in the Book of James Chapter 5. Read & heed. And. suggest look at James 3 as a reminder to be thoughtful & courteous in our dealings with others.
    As is our habit, we enjoin one & all concerned with preservation of the Union to consider regaining homeland ability to maintain our previous “Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform” without need for imported motor fuel. This return to status as a “Lending Not Borrowing Nation” must include diligent rebuild of the generic railway network of secondary feeder rail lines, and multiplicity of local connector branch rail links.
    Talk of of hoarding cash or precious metals only makes one a target for home invasion and family members subjects of kidnappers when they venture out of doors. Kidnapping is so common in the Middle East & Africa it does not make the news. Any family with a stash of cash/jewelry/metals has the wherewithal and connections to form consortia in their circle to “adopt’ a nearby dormant rail branch line or corridor and begin process of repairing the alignment and returning the line to connection with the national rail network.
    Beware of entangling alliances was a warning uppermost in the minds of the Nation’s founders; balancing transport mode mix is among the most effective way to “Taking Back America”…

  75. Janos Skorenzy April 8, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    Also let’s face it: Northern Italy, Nordic Italy, is far more prosperous than Southern Italy. That’s nothing against the Old Latins, they’re mostly gone apparently. During the last centuries of the Roman Empire, most of Italy was so filled with Slaves from all over, but especially the Levant, that it’s essentially a new Nation.
    Now the same thing is happening to Nordics – they are voluntarily committing suicide via immigration. So I guess you can garner some satisfaction from that.

  76. bproman April 8, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    No fooling.

  77. ront April 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    There are many possible scenarios for what the future holds (dreadful days and all) presented on this and other similar forums. Here we may also receive education, should we seek this, on what is happening in the present. Readers and writers react or respond to all of it with a whole range of feelings. Just as in our dreams, we feel delighted, scared, bored, there may be a whole range of experiences, and they all have one thing in common: none last, for we wake up. All along we were asleep, perhaps even tucked warmly in a safe, comfortable bed. But no matter what our circumstances in this state of wakefulness, the circumstances of the dream, once awake, seem to be nothing into nothing, an illusion, perhaps compelling at the time we were “in it.”
    So what if in reality this state we perceive and call wakefullness is nothing but a Divine Dream that each of us has a share in? And what if this Dream of separateness, finiteness, and duality IS ONE’s own Creation with the Divine Purpose of awakening fully conscious to discover that our true being in infinite and eternal? If this were true maybe some among us would know this, especially one’s who had the responsibility for caring for the Dream’s purpose, its justice, its laws, lessons, and expressions of love, grace, and creativity. Knowing this in one way or another, to my way of thinking, would be a blessing, one that would inspire, and cause one to aspire to become disillusioned, disentangled, unburdened, and take our attachments to the ephemeral dreams less seriously.
    Might this notion not prove practical while discussing what is going on in the world, what you make of it, and what it all may portend?
    We can also think of life not just as ”but a dream,” but we can see it as a game(s). James Carce really takes off with this idea in his book, Finite and Intinite Games:
    Finite games have a definite beginning and ending. They are played with the goal of winning. A finite game is resolved within the context of its rules, with a winner of the contest being declared and receiving a victory. The rules exist to ensure the game is finite. Examples are debates, sports, receiving a degree from an educational institution, belonging to a society, or engaging in war. Beginning to participate in a finite game requires conscious thought, and is voluntary; continued participation in a round of the game is involuntary. Even exiting the game early must be provided for by the rules. This may be likened to a zero sum game (though not all finite games are literally zero sum, in that the sum of positive outcomes can vary).
    Infinite games, on the other hand, do not have a knowable beginning or ending. They are played with the goal of continuing play and sometimes with a purpose of bringing more players into the game. An infinite game continues play, for the sake of play. If the game is approaching resolution because of the rules of play, the rules must be changed to allow continued play. The rules exist to ensure the game is infinite. The only known example is life. Beginning to participate in an infinite game may be involuntary, in that it doesn’t require conscious thought. Continuing participation in the current round of game-play is voluntary. “It is an invariable principle of all play, finite and infinite, that whoever plays, plays freely” (p. 4).

  78. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

    There is one explanation for the price of gold being lower than expected. The fear-mongering, doomer gold bugs, meaning many of you here, are a severe minority and the demand isn’t there because the majority of people around the world don’t subscribe to your views. If so, all I can say is praise be to Allah.

  79. Rhino April 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Hard for me? How? Give up may hatred of Nordics? Excuse me while I have a good laugh.
    I’ll let you in on a little secret. My father is often mistaken for being Dutch. Why? Because of his hair and skin coloration, his accent etc. The usual stuff.
    A question. What race am I? Or what race to you think I belong to? Some information: I have white skin, dark hair, of middling height. Like around a billion other guys. You already know about my father. Save your answer for a second.
    My grandmother has a distinct Asiatic look as do her siblings (some of which also have fair hair). And their mother looks even more Asiatic. My grandfathers look like average white Europeans. My mother the same.
    So what race am I? Some possible answers. Given what I told only about my own appearance you might say 1) Caucasian. Given what I told you about my parents and their parents you might say 2) Caucasian with Asiatic admixture. Or, like a great many people, you might say 3) Who gives a shit.
    This business of classifying people according to appearance may satisfy some inherent need for ordering things or classifying things. But it’s a fool’s game. Why? Because looks are a perilously leaky method of classification. Because there are multitudes of people like me that on the surface may look one way. But when you look a bit deeper you may see that appearances aren’t the whole story. Give it up.

  80. WSHancock1864 April 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    No, Marlin. N. Korea is a laughable red herring, a pathetic dog & pony show, and a manufactured crisis which we purposefully provoked specifically to keep Americanus Ovinianus scared and confused.
    Mission (as usual) Accomplished.
    Trust me, Panetta’s “New Army’ is really the same Army that will be under (most likely) Jeb the Destroyer (only because he’s royal enough, not that he’s any different an aristocratic sociopath than Obama or the Clintons).
    And they are training not for N. Korea…but for you and anyone else dumb enough to open your mouths when Richie Rich decides it’s time to get down to business, likely by 2017 but almost certainly no later than 2025.
    Final Solutions will abound, probably not unlike other Final Solutions to Various Weirdo Problems of the past, but with marketing that is magnitudes better than anything the Nazis or Commies ever dreamed of.
    And will it work? Of course it will. Look around you. I have the marketing all worked out, and if I have it all worked out, then you bet your ass Wall Street, Mossad, the CIA Psyops Div, and NSA have it worked out, probably an even better, more thorough version since I’m but a minor autodidact lacking the training and bent of mind for such thoroughness.
    I won’t bother laying it out again, but one hint, Marlin, if you’re around for the fun:
    When some dirty scraggly hippie or other pathetic poor person, comes up to you and says The Economic Sanctuary Zones are called “Roach Motels” by Aristocrats, Law Enforcement, and other State Goons as well as assorted Wall Street henchperesons, the appropriate response is,
    “My God, you’re crazy. I won’t even dignify that with an answer, the idea is so ludicrous. Our Corpzi government is trying to HELP those poor people and I’ll not hear another word of your conspiracy theory nonsense!”
    If they’re poor enough and scraggly enough, you could call the HomeSec Gestapo to remove their wretched presence from your eyes, and get them the help they need in one of those wonderful American Corpzi Economic Sanctuary Zones.
    Enjoy the future, it’s getting very close now. Well, we still have to wait for 2017 and maybe even as late as 2025, unlikely as it is things will hold off that long.
    But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. First, the next phase of the Greater Depression that will pave the way for 9/11 #2 and WWIII.
    If they follow the first Bush Script (and why shouldn’t they, it was such a complete success and almost no one questioned it’s veracity but a few weirdos, just like the current Obama Script that’s really only a Modified Clinton Script), then that won’t come around until late 2015 or mid 2016.
    Never underestimate humanity’s ability to collectively believe lies, no matter what the eventual cost, in order to keep the collective delusion going a short while longer in the service of Aristocratic Sociopaths who rule this Global Pathocracy.

  81. Smokyjoe April 8, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    Anarchy can work great for 300 folks, I suppose. But 330 million?
    Please provide a modern-day example of anarchy that works for a large group.
    Somalia? New Orleans after Katrina?
    I’m still waiting. I don’t see the end of rule of law resulting in much aside from barbarism, your ad-hominem attacks aside.
    Evidence, please, that anarchy could work among a large, well-armed populace in time of social stress. When you provide it, I’ll take your posts seriously. Otherwise, you’ll remain another CFN troll with wacky ideas.

  82. WSHancock1864 April 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    it may be too late… as the deification/canonization of Maggie (WWoftheW) will soon show.

    Yes, Maggie’s dead and the population of Hell has increased by 1.
    So naturally, she’ll be deified by Aristocratic Sociopaths and the Sheep Who Love Them.
    Not only is it too late, it was too late on 12/13/2000. Hell, it was probably too late when the Bush Family (or whatever dark power sits atop them, if there is one) ran their 1960s spanning Decapitation Op on the Kennedy boys and MLK.
    And let’s not forget Young Joe, the forgotten Kennedy. Read up on how he died and laugh at how nothing changes. Decapitaion Op, and those crazy brave Kennedys, always making it easy for their assassins.
    Like Germanicus the Younger during ancient Rome, who was probably far from perfect but apparently showed too generous to Peasant Dogs, so he “had to go.”
    And go he did, just like Young Joe and the rest, just like pretty much anyone who threatens success with the idea that we Peasant Dogs are human beings just like Aristocratic Gods on Earth.
    But I digress. It may have already been too late when FDR let Prescott Bush and the treasonous Business Plotters off scot-free for trying to overthrow him.
    We can argue about the date, but not that’s it’s FAR too late.
    Anyway, enjoy reading the story of Joe Kennedy, Jr., the Official Lie anyway. Have a good laugh, for laughter is good for the soul.
    I mean, if Peasant Dogs like us had souls.

  83. Carol Newquist April 8, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    Somalia is not anarchy. There is definite order. Raucous conflict and thuggery doesn’t equal anarchy, except in the mind of tyrants who must control in one way or another.
    New Orleans after Katrina was not anarchy. It was order preventing anarchy from harmonizing a response to the catastrophe. People still found a way to respond positively and cooperatively despite the mitigating forces of order.
    Barbarism? That’s what we have right now. That’s what civilization has been since its inception. Sure, in the last hundred years that barbarism has been of a cold, impersonal nature with the advent of the technological milieu, but it’s still barbarism nonetheless. Don’t you dare hang barbarism on anarchy’s coat rack. Civilization perfected it, and it crafted a special rack to hang that inauspicious cloak.
    http://neweconomicsinstitute.org/publications/lectures/kimbrell/andrew/cold-evil

    Unfortunately, despite the unprecedented perils it spawns, this “grey eminence,” this cold evil, so intrinsic to the technosphere with its systemic exploitation of nature, culture, and societies goes virtually unrecognized. Our society continues to be deeply concerned about the remaining “evils” brought to us by the natural sphere (e.g.., floods and tornadoes) and nearly obsessed with the acts of personal hot evil endemic to the social sphere. We have utterly failed, however, to register the appropriate recognition and abhorrence of this new form of institutional evil produced by and through the technological system. Our churches, moral leaders, and teachers rarely recognize or speak out against the cold evil that has impersonally devastated so many lives and destroyed and disfigured so much of creation. The tragic result of this failure is that cold evil flourishes, causing ever greater ecocide and genocide even as it remains unnamed and unaddressed.

  84. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    One of the fundemental reasons why city states didn’t really take off until the late dark ages was, and this may make you laugh, was simply hay. The Romans had no knowledge of making hay to overwinter livestock. At the time oxon were largely used to plough the ground. They could not survive winter without a plentiful supply of food. This meant that during winter and surplus cattle and livestock would be slaughtered in the fall. City states were net importers of food needing large quantities year round. The method of making hay appears in the dark ages allowing overwintering of surplus livestock and allowing growth of farm production. There are several historical papers on the rapid growth of population due to farming methods in the dark ages. By the time the black death hit the feudal system it created was well entrenched across Europe.

  85. rube-i-con April 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    When people start demanding physical gold, then the jig will be up
    I’ve been hearing this at least since 2003 or so, when are all these jigs going to be up? They’re not, since the people running the markets do so to stay in business and make money, not for their bread and butter to dry up.
    I like gold, have bought it many times, especially in the early days, but you can’t fall in love with it.
    Remember the Hunt brothers? They cornered the market for physical silver, a.k.a. the jig was up, and what happened? The gov’t stepped in and disallowed it. The market became what the gov’t said it was, regardless of the physical position.
    They have the guns, you don’t.
    peace peaceniks

  86. SNAFU April 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    Bustin, Per your statement:”I mentioned the average income for a farmer in America is about 19k/yr”.
    I must quibble a bit with that. When you say farmer are you talking about the farm owner or the farm worker. I live in northern NY (about 10 miles as a crow flies from the St. Lawrence River) on a non working dairy farm that I bought about 11 year ago to allow the wild critters a place to live. I have nearby supersize dairy farms (milking from 1000 to 4000 cows 3 times a day and wearing the cows out in 3-5 years) who have millions of dollars worth of equipment, with any given piece costing more than my old place is worth. My guess is the farm owner (who probably has not milked a cow in 30 years) is raking in many times more than $19K/yr on the other hand the predominantly “I9” south of the boarder, kept out of sight, folks who do the work on said farms likely make less than the $19K/yr.
    If you want to see “real” capitalism in action Google the “I9” immigrant employment “non-certifying”, certification program; talk about a “crock of shit”! I’ll save you the search http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf . If one reads the instructions carefully one will observe a few strange details. Prior to obtaining documents from potential employee the farmer must hire her/him, at which point employee provides documentation which the farmer is to look over and certify on the I9 form that it “appears” to be valid and to enter the information of the I9 form. I9 form and certifying documents are then placed in a file cabinet in a folder in farmers office. No contact with the federal agency responsible for managing the I9 program is to be made and no attempt by the farmer to ascertain the veracity of documents provided is to be attempted by the farmer under the law. If ICE comes a calling farmer produces filled out I9 and non-certifying documents and provides same to ICE representatives. If documents are discovered to be fraudulent workers are apprehended and as long as the farmer has filled out the I9 paperwork he gets a pass. Is that not a hell-of-a-deal for the agricultural industry capitalists?
    SNAFU

  87. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    JHK said:
    “…just because the Department of Homeland Security supposedly has been buying up all the ammo on God’s green earth…”
    This claim, Jim, is promoted by conspiracy theorists and is hyperbole.
    The claim got started by a post on infowars that Social Security Administration had issued a Request for Quote for the purchase of 174,000 rounds of .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.
    What infowars did not say is that the 174,000 rounds was to be distributed to a number of major cities in the USA. The amount (174,000) is hardly “all the ammo on God’s green earth.” The truth is that the ammo was for “duty carry” NOT for preparation for civil unrest.
    The truth is that SSA has Field Division locations with offices of investigations that is looking into fraud, waste, abuse and mismanagement in SSA operations and programs. The reason for the ammunition is for 295 special agents in 66 offices who are armed on duty.
    The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies. Special agents use the ammunition during their mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions to ensure both agent and public safety. As we all know, there are some mentally unstable persons who make threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers. There is nothing sinister about the SSA RFQ.
    A similar invitation for bids for 46,000 rounds of hollow point bullets was issued by NOAA for 63 NOAA enforcement agents and their twice annual target qualifications.
    Likewise, in 2013 Homeland Security issued a number of different requests for various types of ammunition totaling 1.6 Billion rounds, to be purchased over the course of several years for training and use by agents of DHS.
    Likewise, claims that DHS had purchased 2,700 tanks for use in the USA is a lie. It is based on March 2012 notice posted to the DHS web site announcing that a contractor had been engaged to install new chassis on Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles (not “tanks”) that were being returned from deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan. The DHS did not purchase the vehicles in the announcement and the chassis work was contracted for by the Marine Corps Systems Command.
    Domestically, more than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers use ammunition in their training, including ICE agents who constitute the federal government’s second largest criminal investigation agency.
    We do want armed ICE agents. They go up against the Mexican mafia (a minority). The ICE agents also take on the little brown people (the majority) who “illegally” (but not criminally) cross the border or overstay (gasp!) their visas but they never commit any kind of criminal activity.
    So the DHS requests for ammunition are reasonable and have nothing to do with preparations for civil unrest. Don’t let the paranoia of conspiracy theorists get to you, Jim.

  88. rube-i-con April 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    Don’t you dare hang barbarism on anarchy’s coat rack. Civilization perfected it, and it crafted a special rack to hang that inauspicious cloak.
    Stop with the high-school english/pseudo-intellectual gibberish already.
    peace peaceniks

  89. lucky 13 April 8, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

    I enjoyed the link to UK Daily Mail..
    Christians are now subversives.

  90. Treeman April 8, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

    1.6 billion rounds to be used over several years? At it peak ammo consumption in Iraq the US army would have took over 18 years to consume that quantity! That’s a hell of a lot of practice! One of life’s ironies is that soldiers are obliged to use full metal jacket rounds by international law. The damage that hollow point ammunition causes is considered to barbaric for the battlefield. The police, FBI, BATF and DHS( along with other assorted anacronyms) though have no such restrictions!

  91. Zed Leppt In April 8, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    The latest example of big bank skullduggery comes from The Royal Bank of Canada after a whistle-blower revealed to the press that he and 44 of his co-workers in the bank’s Investor Services department were being forced to train their own replacements brought in from India on temporary foreign worker visas. These new workers are employed by the Bangalore office of the international business outsourcing agency iGATE. Once these workers are trained by their Canadian counterparts, the bank will move this department from its Toronto headquarters to India where these temp workers will become permanent employees of the bank’s offshore operations. iGATE also had a run-in with the US Dept. of Justice in 2008 when they were fined for posting job ads that specifically asked for applications from H-1B visa holders only.
    This story has generated a whirlwind of public outrage and calls for a boycott of the Royal Bank, but this is just another little insult amidst the attack on labor. First manufacturing goes, then services like call centers, then mid-level management, then intellectual property development, and eventually jobs that can’t be offshored will be given to the cheapest possible “inshored” laborers.
    Anyway, foreign worker visas just got a demotion in value in Toronto where earlier this year, city counsil voted to officially declare the city a so-called “Sanctuary City”. This means that city staff, including police, are forbidden from turning in illegal residents to federal authorities and must offer city services to one and all regardless of their citizenship. Toronto is the first Canadian city to take this step, however, there is quite a long list of US cities that have declared themselves Sanctuary Cities, including NYC, Chicago, and LA. One place really stood out to me though as I scanned that list: Fairfax County, Virginia. This county straddles Washington, DC – in fact, looking at it on a map shows the Pentagon occupying the chunk of DC that cuts into this county in Virginia.
    Fairfax County is ground zero for the whole metastasizing blob of Homeland Security domestic spying agencies and defence contracting firms. You’d think the local government housing this gigantic agglomeration of police state functionaries would be Johnny-on-the-Spot when it comes to booting out illegal aliens in their midst. There can’t be a lack of funds to hire only legal US citizens at decent wages to fill all the jobs in the county, it has the second highest median income in the country at $106,000 per household. The top 5 employers alone generated $8 billion in sales from their Fairfax operations. The average single family home goes for $540,000. Well, maybe all that wealth IS the reason for turning a blind eye – all those lawns to mow, swimming pools to clean, gardens to be manicured, spoiled kids to nanny, trophy wives’ hair to be coiffed. There are plenty of illegals to round up in Lizard Gulch, AZ and Armadillo Flats, TX – great places to test out all those super cool new spy gadgets too. But some places are just too important to fuss over niggling little distractions like the laws that get conjured up just over the Potomac River, laws not really intended as universal codes of conduct for a civilised society, rather justifications for the exercise of power by the fortunate few over the benighted many.

  92. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    IN DEFENSE OF OBAMACARE
    In fact, the real, lived experience of Obamacare is likely to be one of significantly increased individual freedom. For all our talk of being the land of liberty, those holding one of the dwindling number of jobs that carry decent health benefits often feel anything but free, knowing that if they leave or lose their job, for whatever reason, they may not be able to regain the coverage they need. Over time, as people come to realize that affordable coverage is now guaranteed, it will have a powerful liberating effect. –Paul Krugman

  93. San Jose Mom 51 April 8, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    I think the price of gold is down because the stock market is up.
    Thanks for April’s “Eyesore of the Month.” The San Francisco transit center looks like a place I wouldn’t want to be in an earthquake–too much overhead glass.
    SJM
    P.S. Anyone out there have a suggestion for good biographies to read? Right now I’m reading, “American Prometheus–the Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer.”

  94. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    I believe in everything Adequetio says. There is no reason to believe that former law will no longer arrive and anarchy will ensue. I think we can all agree that this is totally unacceptable. It’s not just bad decision making, it’s bad policy. I mean, anarchy will be needed to eviscerate the old and usher in the new, I mean right? Anarchy wipes the toilet bowl clean, and part of wiping that clean will be the elimination of our bowels via our current leadership.
    It’s a totally dirty world, and should be permanently flushed into our anals of a history.
    In this cleansing process, I personally call it a high colonic for peace loving bros and sissies, people everywhere should come together, smile on each other and try to love one another like, right now, man!
    If anyone tries to insert themselves into my anals, calling themselves a “leader” they should be sure to kiss me first, cause I prefer to be kissed while I’m being fudged.
    I’m calling for the evacuation of all bowels immediately. God knows what comes out of me is really good.
    Peace my bros and sissies! Chapter 2 continues soon, so get ready, put up your feet, pour some good booze into your sippy cup, and get ready for some more of “A Christmas Carolnewquist” coming at ya!

  95. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

    And I think the price of gold is down because I have a really bad hemmoroid that causes severe pain in my ass and makes me spend lots of my fiat currency on over-the-counter medications.
    A good biography to read would be “Vanity is Everything”, by Joseph Cotton. He was in love with himself almost as much as you are in love with yourself. Happy reading.

  96. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

    Paul Krugman is probably one of the greatest economists in recent American history. He really has a feel for what will cure the issues we face with our recalcitrant congress and their refusal to support our president and his initiatives. These white, right-wing, cousin pluckers are intent on putting us all back in the days before the Civil War.
    Look, President Obama wants the U.S. to be compassionate toward people who can’t afford to be sick. The cost of medical care is sadly out of reach for many low to middle American families. Obamacare is the only logical answer that has been put into place to solve this dilemma. I don’t remember any Republicans ever coming up with a solution for those that aren’t white and upper class.
    We all pay into the government via taxes. Isn’t it fair that the government pays something back to us. Isn’t that what government is for????

  97. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    I’ll have you know that I am a high school graduate and got a ‘B’ in an English Honors course. I was at Harvard, too. Don’t judge me!

  98. Majella April 8, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

    Interestingly, Australia has just yesterday signed a treaty with China allowing the direct conversion of AUD to RNB, thus ELIMINATING the requirement to convert to USD first. New Zealand (which has an FTA with China) is about to do the same.
    The last time this happened (or was about to) was in 2002-03 when Iraq planned to establish an exchange whereby European nations could settle their oil purchases in Euros, that is without USD being required in the mix. We all know how THAT turned out for Iraq!
    If China continues down this path, it will undermine the USD Reserve Currency status by sheer momentum and all these woes will befall the United States of Amnesia…

  99. bearfoot April 8, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    how can there be so many x-spurts obfuscating and scrambling jhk’s clearly laid out thoughts and concepts? get your own blog!

  100. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm #

    The USA government has been vigilant about keeping Americans safe since 9/11, keeping us safe against not only foreign terrorists but domestic ones as well. And the domestic terrorists are the ones we should really be concerned about. Look at James Holmes. Or maybe that kid who killed all those innocent women children at Sandy Hook. JHK exaggerates when he talks about the government buying up all the ammo to keep the citizens from their rights to bare arms.
    Our law enforcement agencies have a really hard job. They have to protect us against those whom wishes us harm. If it weren’t for the training these officials use we would probably all be dead by now. No one should be allowed to say anything bad about our law enforcement agencies when they have so much to do and so little time to do it in.
    Homeland Security is just that…security for our homeland. They have to protect us against those who wish bad things to happen.
    Mexican people rely on our Homeland Security to protect them against people who use illegal drugs and force young women and children into illegal prostitution. That’s why open borders are so important; so that our Homeland Security team can eliminate the killers and help the law abiding Mexicans to become citizens of our world.
    To echo Asoka’s sentiments: Don’t let the paranoia of conspiracy theorists get to you, Jim.
    To that I say: AMEN, BROTHER!

  101. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    LOL! JHK puts out his blog with a comments section. JHK’s comment section is where comments are written, allowing x-spurts to demonstrate how ably they are at creating and sustaining the clusterfuck. It is all just for fun and you are a party pooper. If everyone got their own blog, if no one used JHK’s comments section, then our clusterfucking would not be revealed. The comments, however weird they sometimes are, mostly manage to reveal mindsets full of fear and uncertainty … (with notable exceptions like ront and carol).

  102. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    ^able^

  103. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    The people will do what they are told, now as then. Most people whom invested in gold and silver were convinced that fiat currency was bad. Guess what they found out? Fiat currency is good! It survived! Guess the government isn’t as stupid as you think it is, huh? No wonder your ready to come back to the states? Guess they burned you’re behind pretty good in Brazil, huh, Welles?
    p.s. American men should play with real men in South America and the rest of the world…you can’t compete cause your weak.

  104. Zed Leppt In April 8, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    Lately I’ve been wondering what’s driving the super-rich to pay astronomical sums for works of art. The latest jaw-dropping price to hit the headlines is casino magnate Steve Wynn’s sale of Picasso’s Le Reve to Hedge fund billionaire Steve Cohen for $155 million. This is the same Picasso painting that was damaged several years ago when Wynn put his elbow through it. Cohen, BTW, manages SAC Capitol which just paid over $600 million in fines to the SEC for insider trading fraud.
    I think, in the same way stashes of silver dollars or virtual currencies like Bitcoin serve as alternate forms of wealth storage, the high end art market designates certain artists’ works as valid tokens to be monetized for an exclusive club whose members only trade with one another and are oblivious to the astonished cries from us commoners of “You paid how much for that ugly piece of crap!?”. Art critics and curators who go along with the system seem to be imbued with high priest-like powers to invoke spells upon ordinary decorative objects, turning them into sorts of holy relics, much to be desired amongst the cultists who follow this exclusive sect. One can nearly imagine the art consigliere congregating like cardinals at a papal conclave to elect the next deceased artist’s name to extra-earthly eminence, but I’m probably confusing that image with secret Fed banker conclaves.
    The other function this market might be serving is as a sort of monetary slosh bucket, catching some of the virtual money that is flooding the officially recognized financial system and holding it in a physical form, thus removing it from circulation. Who knows, maybe all obscenely priced luxury items and real estate acts as small countervailing forces to currency devaluation as applied to the “normal” market for everyday goods and services. Or maybe I’m just fantasizing about Antiques Roadshow declaring my Queen’s Diamond Jubilee collector plates to be priceless masterpieces.

  105. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    I wonder if anyone out their in C’fner land is as broken hearted as I am that Maggie Thatcher died. I cannot imagine any greater friend the U.K. and the U.S. of A. had than her. Our greatest hour was when she and Ronald Reagan, declared war on the Faulkner Islands in 1982. Nobody remembers that now, of course. Or how the U.K. and U.S. of A stood together and controlled the world.
    It will probably take Mr. Obama along time to take us back to the prosperity of that era, mainly because he has a congress who is mostly white and hates America.
    Reagan didn’t hate America. He loved America. He reached his hand across the aisle and made the Republicans and the Democrats love him and love America. The Republicans can’t do that now for Obama cause they hate blacks and always have. How sad is that for us? We can’t have prosperity because some small minded white people hate blacks and the fact that America is now ruled by a black persona.

  106. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    Plus, I’m really sick of how the media totally distorted Michelle Obama’s statement when she mentioned being a “single mom”. First, she didn’t mean it that way, a-holes! When you are married to the most important person in the entire world than naturally you can expect that he’s going to be busy most of the time running the world. I mean, really??? Do they really expect him to be around helping Shasha with her homework when their are things to be done and dictators to be dealing with? That’s not what she meant at all and the media know it. Their just to prejudice against black people to admit it.
    I’m sure that she feels like a single parent sometimes like when she goes to a PTA meeting and he’s not there. But what is she supposed to do? Call him when he’s in Afghanistan and tell him, “Hey, honey, Shasha’s PTA meeting is on Tuesday. Can I put you down for manning the brownie and cupcake desert table this Saturday?”
    I mean, really!!! What is up with that??? Give me a break!!!

  107. San Jose Mom 51 April 8, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    Good question about over-priced art. The Legion of Honor in San Francisco has a Picasso sculpture called “The Orator.” When I look at it closely, it’s a mess–chicken wire sticking out and poor craftsmanship all around. I’m sure it cost millions.
    Guys like Steve Wynn are not art experts. I would bet 100 years from now, paintings by Picasso (and Pollock!)will loose their value.

  108. San Jose Mom 51 April 8, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

    P.S.
    Another question about value. Does anyone have concerns that the head of Goodwill Industries makes $750,000. a year?

  109. jonathanss. April 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    Yeah, it’s sad! Annette was diagnosed with MS one year after my long suffering wife was. 70 seems too young & my wife is only 53.

  110. Buck's A Stud April 8, 2013 at 8:18 pm #

    ” The Nazis used to say that when you look at the busts of those Romans like Julius Caesar etc they wouldn’t look out of place in the Prussian Senate or the British House of Lords. Which “proves” their northern origins. Which is a bit of delusional thinking…”
    Delusional thinking indeed. You can’t discern ethnicity from a white marble bust.

  111. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    Yes, I have concerns. Don’t give if you think the organization is managed badly. Give, if you believe in charities, to the top five most efficient charities:
    Brother’s Brother Foudation
    JDRF
    Boys and Girls Clubs of America
    International Rescue Committee
    United Way

  112. Buck's A Stud April 8, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    Changing your spots again ‘Man of Multitudes’? But you were never in favor of “Obamacare’ when the fight for it was going down. No, you stood in the bleachers yelping ‘a giveaway to the insurance industry’ and ‘single-payer or nothing’.
    Fortunately, Team Obama understood change and opted for incrementalism as opposed to your absolutist dogma that would have been defeated and which would have denied the great starting aspects of the Affordable Care Act to take root in some very divided partisan soils.

  113. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 8:41 pm #

    “Guys like Steve Wynn are not art experts. I would bet 100 years from now, paintings by Picasso (and Pollock!)will loose their value.”
    “Jen”
    =================
    Ummm, I think its “will LOSE their value.” dumb bottle blonde! jeeze!

  114. Eleuthero5 April 8, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    Carol said:
    Homeland Security is just that…security for our homeland. They have to protect us against those who wish bad things to happen.
    ************************************************************
    I suppose you support the Patriot Act, too. So NOW Ms. Liberal becomes an apologist for government bureaucracies. Well, Carol, we already HAD not one but THREE “Departments of Homeland Security” called the FBI, the CIA, and NSA.
    Only the NSA is the REAL DHS. Whenever we luck out and nab sleeper cells before they carry out a plot, it’s because of communications interception done by the NSA. DHS is just another gigantic Federal bureaucracy that our bankrupt government cannot afford.
    E.

  115. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    Not at all true, Buck. I simply looked at it from a different light. My Buddhism allows me to do this. Things are never stagnant, my friend, but always flowing, like the water in a rapid river.
    Peace, to you, my friends, said He.

  116. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Again, not at all true, entity known as ‘E’. I’ve stated before that I believe the CIA was indeed an evil force responsible for untold millions of massacres in Vietnam and elsewhere in the U.S. You really should start paying attention, my friend.

  117. Eleuthero5 April 8, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    Carol said:
    I wonder if anyone out their in C’fner land is as broken hearted as I am that Maggie Thatcher died. I cannot imagine any greater friend the U.K. and the U.S. of A. had than her. Our greatest hour was when she and Ronald Reagan, declared war on the Faulkner Islands in 1982. Nobody remembers that now, of course. Or how the U.K. and U.S. of A stood together and controlled the world.
    ************************************************************
    Yeah right. Saving the FALKLAND islands (if you’re going to poke fun of SJ Mom then you deserve censure for that spelling) meant NOTHING to the USA or England. It’s just Anglo-American imperialism of the sort that made the Constitutional Founders roll in their graves. Of what earthly significance are the Falklands to Britain? What right do they have to an island that’s off the Argentine Coast?
    Reagan was also the first President to run enormous deficits and only Clinton since then ran a reasonably tight fiscal ship. He also turned a blind eye to Ed Meese and the corruption in the military-industrial complex … the same complex that Ike warned us about.
    Barry Goldwater was the last REAL prominent Conservative.
    E.

  118. Eleuthero5 April 8, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    Carol said:
    Again, not at all true, entity known as ‘E’. I’ve stated before that I believe the CIA was indeed an evil force responsible for untold millions of massacres in Vietnam and elsewhere in the U.S. You really should start paying attention, my friend.
    ********************************************************
    Spying is a dirty, filthy game. How do you have a KGB, a CIA, or a Mossad that isn’t “evil”? You cannot. The NSA is passive spying but the CIA is actively involved in intrigues all over the world. Just like the KGB and the Mossad.
    E.

  119. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

    DHS is just another gigantic Federal bureaucracy that our bankrupt government cannot afford.
    Palo Alto may be GREEDY, but the USA is not bankrupt. The USA has debt. That is different from being bankrupt. Most people have debt, and they aren’t bankrupt even though they cannot print money at will. The term “bankrupt” means insolvency or an inability to pay debts that are owed. But that’s not the case with the federal government, which to this day has little trouble borrowing funds and can also print money.
    Maybe you should shut the fuck up, you ignorant asshole. Or not. Matters little to me. I actually enjoy your idiotic posts. Remember, if you don’t like GREEDY Palo Alto, you can go 4.5 miles to FUN Mountain View. Idiot.

  120. rube-i-con April 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    Guess the government isn’t as stupid as you think it is, huh?
    Try reading the original comment you replied to carefully. I distinctly say that the gov’t holds the cards, i.e. that they are in control. How is that saying they are stoopid?
    Your logic is as faulty as your writing is dreadful lol.
    peace peaceniks

  121. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

    Well, naturally, “the entity known as ‘E”, the Falkland Islands were of tantamount importance to the United Kingdom. Don’t be silly. They were an important army and navy base which helped Great Britain protect their interests. I’m neither saying that was good or bad rather, empires are constantly in the modus operandi of maintaining their status quod. This means securing their financial and military bases as a means of their world hegemony. To do otherwise would be foolhardy.

  122. rube-i-con April 8, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    I was at Harvard, too. Don’t judge me!
    By your [ghastly] works ye shall be known.
    LOL
    peace peaceniks

  123. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    It is glad that I am to have caused you some merriment in these troubling times in which you have found yourself. And I want to let you know that I am indeed, yours in Christ, my friend. I wish not that you walk alone in a desert that allows you no quench to your thirst, nor satiety for your hunger. Nay, my friend, I wish you well as you and I both search, however zealously, for what is opaquely defined in our own lives at ‘the Truth’.
    Indeed, peace, my little peacenik!
    ‘A’

  124. WSHancock1864 April 8, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    For a guy that has so much interesting and yes, occasionally wise, to say, it is simply astonishing that you would allow yourself to be drawn into endless pointless conversations with our local DoD troll or trolls.
    Yet, you won’t even speak to me, who (other than when you called me a liar about whether I am a long-time, but former, hockey fan – which I am) has treated you generally with respect.
    For someone with such a long life of experience, you have a curious inability to decipher who are your friends and who is playing you like a foolish fiddle, dragging you into endless wastes of time arguing with borderline or sociopathic deceivers.
    Buy a clue, old man.

  125. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

    Perhaps ‘E’ just prefers me as his bitch of choice. I’ve successfully elbowed you out of the way. Can’t you see that he’s MINE? Girls like you have to be hit over the freakin head to realize that another bitch has taken your man.
    Honey, get over it. He’s just not that into you, ya know? Stay in your own league, honey. I hear they need a commenter over there on the Automatic Earth… are Stoneleigh and Ilarqi still alive? I mean, they’ve been predicting the “End of Times” for nearly as long as our dear, Jim.
    (sniggers)

  126. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no spots.

  127. WSHancock1864 April 8, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    Excellent pair of posts, Zed.
    Ultimately it can all be boiled down to the fact that the “American Economy” is now one giant Ponzi scheme from end to end, or as JHK put it, “the biggest pump and dump in world history”.
    The American People, Americanus Ovianius, are feckless and insouciant, to say the least, having collectively lost the ability to discern in any meaningful way the difference between facts, speculation, and outright falsehoods.
    Time and time again this is demonstrated, and such a people can never be a force for anything but atrocity and slavery, virtual and otherwise.
    It really is that simple: If the vast majority of Americanus Ovianius believes something, it is almost certainly partially or completely false. The deeper their convictions it’s true, the more false it turns out to be. A good rule of thumb to remember, ith exceptions growing more infrequent by th day.
    ESPECIALLY about the economy or their own living conditions. Who would Americanus Ovianius rather believe? The truthful TV or their own lying eyes?
    And the desperation to believe the nonsense grows ever greater as we get closer to 9/11 #2 and WWIII, now a virtual imperative fo the Global Aristocratic Pathocracy.
    The more they are abused, the more Corpzi Americanus Ovianus will echo their TVs in declaring themselves not just the most free, but the most innocent on the Earth.
    What other options have they? Admitting they are the greatest fools since the Good Germans marched behind Nazi sociopaths over a cliff?
    Yeah, right. They can and will pile billions of corpses, inluding many of their own, rather than admit such truthy truthfulness.
    Watch. It is now apparent most us will live to see it begin, at the very least.
    $155 million paintings are the very least of the absurdities we have been asked to believe, and have swallowed every one whole.
    It gets much MUCh worse. Watch and see.

  128. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

    I know, right!!!!? Nail on head, Hancock, Nail on freakin’ head, babe!

  129. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Yeah, right. They can and will pile billions of corpses
    You are very perceptive Hancock. There will probably be about 12 billion corpses, maybe 13 billion. TPTB will find them, all of them. Poor dumbfucks here have no idea what awaits them, right? But you and I are in the know. We special.

  130. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    I’ve just lit a candle to say goodbye to a real, classy lady, Annette Funicello. She was the girl to bring back to mom and dad in my era, if you were a boy. And if you were a girl, she was just the girl to date…if your mom and dad was out of town.
    Humongous attributes, plus she could sing. Seriously, what a set ok knockers. She was one of those stars you never heard anyone say anything nasty about.
    Like, about twenty years ago they did this show called “The New Mickey Mouse Club” where they had these new kids as mousekateers. Well, anyways, the interviewed this old lady who was named Darlene. Turns out she is THE Darlene from the original Mickey Mouse Club.
    Anyways, she as totally, like, “Annette was always kind and wanted me to have more screen time than she did during our mini-series, “Annette”.
    For you Babyboomers too young to remember, “Annette” was a serial that used to run during the original Mickey Mouse Club series in the ’50s. Darlene played the part of a mean little bitch trying to get Tommy away from Annette.
    I know, I know, real drivel, unlike the page-turners I crank out. Some of you have praised my writing efforts but so many of you have expressed your dissatisfaction as to my writing ability. I want you to know that I take seriously your concerns and will cease writing when the vast majority of C’Fners tell me that they no longer wish me to write my missives.
    I started my story out on Lexington Avenue and will end it there if the C’Fners wish me to.
    Just Sayin,
    ‘A’

  131. lucky 13 April 8, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Sometimes it is for bragging rights.
    In 2011? 2012? a painting sold for 200+ million..
    WAY above previous high for any 1 work of art.
    I believe it was a Saud who [ loose-ened]
    his purse strings.
    And its l-o-s-e[not loose].

  132. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    Judge not let ye be judged, said he. Peace I leave to you my friend. Shalom you peace in all you do.
    I am multitudes…………………………….

  133. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Thanks for helping me point that out, Lucky! You and I, my friend, have a lot of grammar clean-up duty to due here! LOL! Nice to have you on-bored!

  134. Iona Laundramat April 8, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

    Try the new biography of Winston Churchill. Much better reading than this blog has become with its 90% troll population.
    I’m out of here.
    Got gold???

  135. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:21 pm #

    Chapter 2 continue………….Carol catches Consuelo in a lie!
    ==============================
    Carol knew that Consuelo was lying to her when Consuelo denied being out of the office that morning. “Lying Mexcican!” Carol said to herself. Still, Carol forced a smile and said nothing.
    Carol simply left Consuelo there at the front desk, telling her that she must work tomorrow, Christmas Day, from 9-5. Consuelo wept softly at her desk.
    Truth be told, Carol didn’t really need anyone to be in the office on Christmas Day. She only knew that Consuelo had lied to her and thus deserved to be punished severely. Carol knew that kepping Consuelo from her loving family on Christmas was just the sort of medicine she should administer to an ungrateful employee. Carol smiled as she left the office for the weekend, Neiman Marcus card in her beautifully manicured hand, waving it front of Consuelo cruelly.
    Next…Chapter 2 continues….Carol meets a dark and stormy Knight.

  136. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm #

    Chapter 2 continues…Carol Meets a Dark and Stormy Knight…
    =====================================
    She heard the Westminster chimes on her Grandfather clock in the entrance hall of her 42nd and Park Avenue pre-war apartment. She raised her well manicured hand to her luscious golden locks, and reached for a half glass of Chablis that was sitting on the glass coffee table that sat between the settee and the love seat in her elegant but simple 4-room co-op.
    Raising her lithe body up, she felt an exhaustion she had quite never known before. She had barely made it onto her bed when she fell into a deep and surprisingly dreamless (or so she thought) sleep.
    ==================================
    NEXT…..Is it real, or is it Memorex? Carol meets the Knight at Last!

  137. adequatio April 8, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    God bless you, Iona. Good luck!

  138. Beantownbill April 8, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    I’ll respect someone’s opinion even if I don’t agree with it. In your case, your vision of the near future. But what gets me, really, is your unabashed loathing of the human race. In many instances I dislike people, but I still can find something worthwhile, even noble, in them.
    You, on the other hand, at least in your post to which I’m replying, seem to take a kind of cackling glee in humanity’s apparent demise. That really chills me, Hancock. Even Vlad/Janos isn’t that extreme. Honestly, I feel your post was possibly the most evil one I’ve read yet on CFN. I call it evil because I can’t think of another word off the top of my head.
    Sorry to get into psychobabble, but could your comments really be a cover for your own self-loathing?
    Really, my reply here is not to be intended as a put-down or a diatribe against you, even if it might seem that way to you. it’s just that the connotative feeling I got from your comments, to me, was way, way over the top. I know we agreed to not discuss things, but I felt I compelled to reply.

  139. rube-i-con April 8, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    Yes ‘A’ my old friend, the US and A used to have wonderful, innocent shows on like the mickey mousse clubb. watch any of the original star trak episodes too, or the animated xmas monster story with rudolf and his whistling nose and burl ives doing one of the voices….simply enchanting, i would gladly revert to that age and stay there. it was swell.
    peace peaceniks

  140. Beantownbill April 8, 2013 at 10:49 pm #

    I’ll tell you the same thing my granddaughter says to me when I start to leave after visiting her: don’t go, don’t go!
    Remember, 90% crap=10% pearls.

  141. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

    Chapter 2 continued…
    “Carol meets the Knight at Last!”
    =======================================
    George Bush had said at one point, in his support of the United Negro College Fund, that, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste….and what a terrible thing it is…to lose one’s mind…”
    Well, that’s exactly how Carol felt in her state of semi-consciousness. In her dream state, she imagined she saw the Artist formerly known as Prince stretch out his hand toward her and beckon her toward Christmas Past. He strangely enough identified himself as the Knight of Christmas Past. Carol quivered as she walked with this Knight, who hovered over a curious scene of a very young and attractive Carol, circa 1959, listening to a 45 of Elvis Presley. Carol was immediately transformed in time to an era where she was a naïve young waif, unaware of the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower was to speak of the next year, or the fact that her nubile body was about to become a victim of the Sexual Revolution of the ’60s. Carol watched in wonderment as she saw her own mini-me play out its ancient drama in front of her.
    ================================
    Next: CHAPTER 3, “Carol and The Age of Reason”
    TO BE CONTINUED……

  142. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    I know, right!!!??? Like, what is WITH HIM, I mean, you know???!!!!Gawd! And people say Asoka is weird!

  143. carolnewquist... April 8, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    I know, right!!!!???? He’s being a total downer!! A real ‘Debbie Downer’, LOL!!!!! Let’s just say there isn’t a whole lot of room here for that type of thing! LMFAO!
    ‘A’

  144. progress4conserving April 8, 2013 at 11:05 pm #

    “Though I’m generally allergic to conspiracy theories, it smells like someone is engineering the downward behavior of the metals. The central banks of the US and Europe have a big incentive for driving the price down: it makes their currencies look stronger – despite the universal QE policies designed to make them actually weaker.”
    -jhk-
    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    And yeah, regarding conspiracy – there’s a big one going on right now. It exists among most every upper level policy maker, from Abe in Japan to Obama in the US. It’s a conspiracy of Furious and Unrelenting Can-Kicking. That’s all these guys have left. Let their central banks run amok, inflate their currencies in a race to the bottom, and hope against hope that Something Good comes of it.
    It is all unlikely to be successful.
    There is too little strategy.
    There are too many people in the World.
    And too many trolls on this website.
    Remember that asokadatio/carol…/”carol” are all, evidently, the same trolling poster.
    Don’t go, Iona Dry Cleaners!

  145. progress4conserving April 8, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    “….quite an incentive to smuggle themselves into the U.S. agricultural sector as soon as humanly possible before the amnesty hits. (And lets face it, it is happening.)” -bustin-
    It may happen, but don’t give up hope just yet.
    The frantic attacks by the pro-immigration forces hint of desperation. Even on CFN we can see that the trolls have NOTHING in favor of immigration, to present in a factual or reasoned manner.
    So they resort to racist name calling.
    I now wait to be attacked by one of them – probably soon.
    Meanwhile – there are things to be done.
    EVERY reader of CFN should mention NumbersUSA, wherever they go in the blogosphere.
    In particular, make reference the “action board” where one can (easily and at no cost) send faxes to his or her Congressperson and Senators.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/action/board

  146. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 12:27 am #

    When you support NumbersUSA, you are supporting racists like John Tanton, who founded FAIR and NumbersUSA.
    John Tanton has come to be an embarrassment. His longstanding connections to white nationalist ideologues, his flirtation with anti-Semitism, and his many racist statements about Latinos have become well known — and are a huge liability for Beck and his restrictionist program. Pressed, Beck claims he is not ashamed of his mentor. But Tanton’s name is nowhere on his website. John Tanton, it seems, is undermining Roy Beck’s respectability.
    “It is amazing that Beck has attained the mainstream status he has, considering where he comes from,” concludes Henry Fernandez, a senior fellow at the progressive Center for American Progress, a think tank based in Washington, D.C. “His extremely close and decades-long relationship with Tanton should give pause to anyone who deals with NumbersUSA.”

  147. kamiu53946 April 9, 2013 at 12:58 am #

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  148. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 12:59 am #

    NumbersUSA is now using Texas Sen. Ted Cruz as a publicity tool even though Cruz’s family benefited from Cuban amnesty.
    Is NumbersUSA now in favor of amnesty?
    Or are NumbersUSA supporters just hypocrites?

  149. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 1:04 am #

    Food for thought. We need a Nation of our own.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/04/the-new-mantra/#more-38093

  150. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 1:08 am #

    There’s nothing automatically wrong with being a racist as long as it’s a positive one as in loving your own race. Love is good, right? When a Jew criticized Louis Farrakahn, Cornel West said, “The Brother really loves his people”. So did Hitler. S’all good.

  151. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 1:13 am #

    NumbersUSA knows that Mexican-Americans account for almost 70% of the “Latino” population while Cuban-Americans only account for 3%. Ted Cruz of all people ought to know (since Texas shares the longest border length with Mexico) how many Cuban immigrants come to the United States thru Mexico. And now that his grandparents and family members are here in our Nation … it appears he wants to ensure the door is shut behind them preventing others who come here to achieve the American DREAM.
    There is a stir in south Texas that is waking up the Mexican-American giant — and I can’t wait to hear Representative Joaquin Castro make Cruz look like a hypocrite. Castro understands and has empathy for Mexican-American families in Texas while Cruz does not. How could Cruz feel and understand Mexican-Americans angst? He’s not of Mexican descent, and I predict he will not last in Texas since he is not in support of legal immigration reform in a state that is a home to millions of Mexican-American Texas citizens.
    Unfortunately for Cruz … he is unaware of the team he sides with via NumbersUSA and the John Tanton network who have done everything in their power to chip away at the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. It is imperative for the United States to maintain a healthy relationship with our soil neighbors as the world wars will eventually come to a head.
    It is my understanding Ted Cruz’s father is a pastor, and it is unfortunate his dad didn’t instruct his son to “love they neighbor.” Mexico is our neighbor and we ought learn the lesson of World War I when Germany tried to advance through Mexico when they proposed an alliance with them in their infamous Zimmermann Telegram. Thankfully Mexico declined.

  152. cooldog April 9, 2013 at 1:20 am #

    Poor Jim. Always a bridesmaid to that Doom and Gloom just around the corner, never a bride.

  153. lucky 13 April 9, 2013 at 1:22 am #

    [due]

  154. Jimmy Drinkwater April 9, 2013 at 1:23 am #

    “Though mentioned often enough, the Weimar Republic makes a poor analogy for the present day US. Germany of that era was strapped by massive war reparations forced on them by (guess who) international bankers”—

    This is a common mistake that people make when trying to wrestle with these thoughts. What happened in Weimar was that the government of the could not pay its bills.

    Hello! They couldn’t pay their “bills” because they were tersely dictated war reparations. The only real mistake is wasting time posting anything here.

  155. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    NumbersUSA, instead of uniting people, is trying to drive a wedge between Mexican and Cuban immigrants and deny family unity by working against immigration of immigrants’ relatives.
    As an alternative to the restrictionist NumbersUSA, which is trying to exclude people, you might consider joining the inclusive NCLR Action Network
    Thanks to the NCLR the 2012 election was a breakthrough moment for Latino voters and, consequently, for the immigration debate. Latinos voted because they care about the state of our economy and the quality of our education and health care systems, among other issues. But by voting overwhelmingly in support of a second term for President Obama, Latinos also announced that they urgently want a federal solution to our broken immigration system, and they will back candidates who have committed to pushing this legislation forward.
    The National Council of La Raza calls on Congress to pass sound and humane immigration reform in 2013. Our country deserves a commonsense immigration process that:
    ** Creates a roadmap to citizenship for the 11 million aspiring Americans
    **Reunites families efficiently
    **Protects the rights and working conditions of all workers
    NCLR Action Network
    Join Now!

  156. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 1:58 am #

    Another great organization that defends our liberties is the ACLU. They have just won a case in Wyoming which allows DREAMers to drive.
    http://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/victory-wyoming-lets-dreamers-drive
    You can sign up to get ACLU updates on the Fight for Freedom: https://www.aclu.org/secure/get-updates-fight-freedom&s_subsrc=bor_footer

  157. Shakazulu April 9, 2013 at 2:00 am #

    Imagine my surprise when I saw a new column had been written!

  158. Shakazulu April 9, 2013 at 2:02 am #

    checking CFN on a Sunday evening. Really?
    Yep. Serendipity; or my spidey senses were tingling.

  159. Shakazulu April 9, 2013 at 2:04 am #

    learn to grow your own food… learn what weeds are edible.
    I do like mushrooms. They grow all by themselves.

  160. Shakazulu April 9, 2013 at 2:06 am #

    Get to know your neighbors.
    So where do you live? I just want to know how to get away from my current neighbors.

  161. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am #

    NumbersUSA supports E-Verify. Here is a first-hand report from Sandra Sanchez of why E-Verify is not a good idea.
    E-Verify is not accurate. My sister and my son for months were unable to get employment due to a report from the system that read “tentative-non-confirmation,” or TNC.
    What does that mean to an employer or an employee? Nothing other than “there is a discrepancy between the information provided to the employer and what the system is reporting.” After months of red tape, my sister found out that it was a dash in her social security card — a dash that her legal permanent resident card didn’t have.
    My son found out that the Social Security Administration (SSA) reported he was a legal resident instead of a naturalized citizen; he is indeed a naturalized citizen but his employers considered that he had lied in his application.
    In my sister’s case neither the SSA nor Immigration Services wanted to change her cards. The consequences are still felt by both my sister and my son.
    The Immigration Policy Center reported that in the FY 2009, 211,000 new hires received a TNC. Furthermore, it costs small businesses as much as $127 to run an employee through the system.
    E-Verify poses an economic burden on both employers and employees.
    E-Verify is how racism against immigrants is institutionalized … 211,000 E-Verify TNCs means E-Verify fucked with the livelihood of 211,000 people who wanted to work but were denied work by E-Verify TNCs. NumbersUSA, of course, supports E-Verify because racists like to fuck over immigrants.

  162. Shakazulu April 9, 2013 at 2:15 am #

    “i would gladly revert to that age and stay there. it was swell.”
    AMEN Rube. But life today well…Dean Martin said it-Ain’t that a kick in the head.

  163. Michigan Native April 9, 2013 at 2:18 am #

    Your retirement savings are already gone. If not stolen from you, will not prove to be the piss you may or probably, will not to be able to recycle to keep yourselves alive. I have a great idea…let’s plan for the next moon mission, or yet more wasteful, Mars mission. Humans will have to learn to get along in the unforgiving environment of space?? Good luck. Meanwhile let us continue to steal money from the retirement savings of the elderly, so we can fund useless militaristic horseshit like this and start to make “survival of the fittest” decisions in the soon to collapse USA. People here should be alarmed and very pissed off, yet they still act like sheeple, meek and obedient to the slaughter house

  164. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 2:30 am #

    Sorry if you feel ignored, WSH. It’s not intentional. I’m not on here more than about 15 minutes a day and I guess I get impish delight in “counter-trolling” Caroloka Assquist.
    Yet, our points often converge but you know as well as I do that you have to scroll through so much garbage on this blog to find the few nuggets that it’s become a chore, not a joy.
    So, please, don’t take my non-response personally. Indeed, I find you to be one of only a handful or so of reliably cogent, sane people here.
    E.

  165. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 2:39 am #

    Yeah, the Falkland Islands were as important to Britain just like Grenada was “important” to the USA. Just because some imperialist country like Britain puts up a base on a shithole like the Falklands does not make it “important”.
    You cannot name me ONE military sortee where that base played a part in any skirmish Britain has been a party to for the last hundred years. Go ahead … try.
    E.

  166. Michigan Native April 9, 2013 at 2:54 am #

    You are the first or middle wave(s) of the collapse which should be more and more apparent save the deaf, extremely dumb, and blind that will consume us all in the end. I am trapped in the bowels of the Titanic..trapped by a house, a job that is part of a career that I see deteriorating and on the brink of collapse day by day (the healthcare industry), and how the fuck are any of us get to the few jobs that may or may not be left after the US collapses soon? Chances are, unless you are a repo man, some half assed employee for the funeral parlor industry, or some neo nazi armed class traitor for the collection agencies, you will have to eat rats, tree bark, and insects until those “resources” are gone, then you will be left to row with the rest of us slaves.
    I am seeing the decay, the scale backs, the lay offs, the foreclosures, the strip malls gone forever, the level of fear that leads people to act on their primal basis vs their higher levels of functioning (google the late Carl Sagan and the reptilian brain). Infants being abandoned by women who want a better “prize” (Susan Smith ring a bell…. talk about inbred horseshit, a southern belle at that) or other stories of mass murderers, suicides, or women abandoning their kids…..
    The Retirement was doomed to fail, because the money necessary to finance our theft of it was long gone, and probably never there to begin with.
    How unfortunate so many still trust the US government. Oil exporting countries are losing faith in our “currency” as a medium of exchange, when they finally and inevitably will……lights out, feed and heat yourself
    Translated…watch US life expectancy to plummet back to pre iundustrial conditions, but the mortality rate much worse…..unstable climate,poverty/austerity, environmental destructions, wars, conflict, pandemics….people are forced into tent cities and shack towms with over crowding, lack of sanitiation, poor hygiene….virtual incubators from diseases and inflictions once affordable and curable

  167. 9e6tw4o9f April 9, 2013 at 3:08 am #

    Par Patrick O’ConnorLady chance a souri à quelques membres de la maison l’année dernière.New Jersey Rep. Frank Pallone réclamé près de 25 000 $ de gains de loterie en 2010,pas cher ralph lauren, selon les formes de divulgation annuelle plus récentes a déposé auprès de la maison de Representatives.Likewise, ABR. Dave Reichert, un républicain, l’état de Washington a gagné quelque part dans la gamme de 200 $ à 1 000 $ lors d’un voyage au Casino de Snoqualmie à l’extérieur de Seattle.Mr. Pallone, un démocrate, a ses distances envers son père. Le membre du Congrès et sa piscine de frère leur argent avec leur père, qui achète la loterie billets juste environ chaque jour à un dépanneur près de son lot de voiture, a dit la député.L’an dernier, le trio enfin gagné un grand prix, réclame 75 000 $. Split trois manières, qui sont venus à 24 835 $ pour m. Pallone,moncler jacken. Il a dit c’est la plus grande victoire de family??s, et que son père continue à jouer.Avec la victoire, se joint à m. Pallone retraité sénateur du New Hampshire Judd Gregg et Wisconsin Rep. James Sensenbrenner comme membres du Congrès pour gagner à la loterie.Par Neil King Jr.Public soutien pour élever la dette plafond a creusé jusqu’à depuis avril, bien qu’une pluralité d’Américains encore s’opposer à la déplacer, selon un nouveau sondage du Wall Street Journal/NBC News.Le sondage révèle que 28 % des Américains aujourd’hui du soutien au soulèvement du plafond afin de permettre au gouvernement des États-Unis à emprunter plus pour couvrir ses factures, comparés à 39 % qui s’y opposent. Un sondage de April WSJ/NBC a révélé que seulement 16 % des américains pris en charge la levée au plafond, comparé à 46 % qui s’y opposent.Mais le sondage a révélé une forte augmentation en soutien pour élever la limite après que intimés sont lus deux déclarations sur le plafond de la dette.Une déclaration dit que lever le plafond permettrait au gouvernement d’augmenter les dépenses et de rendre plus difficile à réduire le déficit. L’autre déclaration affirme que le défaut de lever le plafond pourrait occasionner au gouvernement de cesser de respecter ses obligations, conduisant à une possible ??shock à la economy.??After entendu les déclarations, 46 % des répondants disent que le plafond devrait être levé, tandis que 42 % Il dit shouldn??t. En avril, après avoir entendu les mêmes déclarations, 62 % a encore dit que le plafond doit rester où il est.Les conclusions sont parmi les nombreuses idées que le sondage offre sur des questions avant le Congrès et l’élection présidentielle de 2012. Vérifier le retour à 6 h 30 pour les résultats complets.Le sondage vient comme républicains et démocrates continuent à se démener pour négocier un ensemble de réductions qui pourraient ouvrir la voie à un vote au Congrès de lever le plafond de la dette, qui est maintenant défini à 14,3 milliards de dollars des dépenses. Vice Président Joe Biden dirige un groupe bipartisan de législateurs tente de forger une entente avant le quatrième des rapports July.By EditorNick Timiraos sur la présidentielle race.Sen. Barack Obama devrait renouveler son appel pour g

  168. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 4:08 am #

    Hi, Michigan. I’m sure that if you give your opinions to friends, neighbors, and relatives, half or more of them just think you’re nuts. Some know that what you say is already happening but if they’re old enough they’re just hoping against hope that the collapse will wait until they’re dead.
    I’m kind of a Jack London-esque road tripper and what you say about your area is true nationwide. You go through places in inland California or Kansas or Nebraska … you see these half-dead towns all over the place as the PREDOMINANT feature of the landscape, not as weird exceptions.
    Where strip malls aren’t totally abandoned, the parking lots are 80% to 90% empty even during weekends. You see other structures that used to be gas stations, public library branches, or isolated retail outlets that are now weatherbeaten detritus on the highway.
    As you know, there are a few people on this site who insist that “it’s all good” like Ass Soaker and the various members of his group of personalities. I wonder if they ever get out of the house.
    Your writings are not a PREDICTION. They are a DESCRIPTION of what is happening RIGHT NOW. Most workplaces that have a variety of age ranges feel like a mortuary because even people who don’t want to think about it know that the sweater is unravelling one thread at a time. This includes my former employer … a college … which one would think is “safe” but as more and more people realize that they aren’t going to earn an extra dime with “just a few more courses”, even cheap community colleges enrollments are imploding.
    Healthcare? Jesus, do they really think they can hike prices 12% a year and really get remunerated?? I recently had MINOR OUTPATIENT surgery and I’m going to pay $3500 and this is considered a “good” health plan? Like real estate, the endgame for healthcare is near. Personally, I don’t believe in most of the ministrations of the doctors anyhow so I’m not going to be one of those people who hang onto a shitty quality of life for one more year by having my insurer shell out $500K. The end-of-life game is where the medical industry really knows they’re fucking you good. Everyone dies with tubes and ducts coming out of ’em after several hundred thousand bucks of useless “care” are expended.
    Your writings have the loud ring of truth to me … whatever the people in your life might think.
    E.

  169. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 5:01 am #

    “Yeah right. Saving the FALKLAND islands (if you’re going to poke fun of SJ Mom then you deserve censure for that spelling) meant NOTHING to the USA or England. It’s just Anglo-American imperialism of the sort that made the Constitutional Founders roll in their graves. Of what earthly significance are the Falklands to Britain? What right do they have to an island that’s off the Argentine Coast?”——– your absolutly dead wrong. We retook the Falklands because the people there were and remain a British protectorate. The huge almost universal support that the United Kingdom gave mrs Thatcher was because she stood up for British people. Presumably, since you are against such things, you would role over if Guam or Hawaii were invaded. They are after all nothing to do with the continental united states are they. The Falklands incidentally have had British people living there longer than you have been on either Guam or Hawaii, longer than Argentina has existed as an independent nation.
    Shouldn’t those Spanish colonists go home first? Maybe we should start a Free Argentina. Give it back to its indigenous people. Who knows it may spread to the rest of the Americas. :-))

  170. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 5:19 am #

    Thanks, E.
    Your time is yours to do with what you will. A bit cliche, but true nonetheless.
    Sorry I was so harsh, and if you get pleasure fencing with artificial personalities designed (either by lone borderlines or hired Gestapo PsyOps henchpersons) then who am I to say you nay?
    It’s just that feeding the trolls brings them back, but honestly, if it’s not you it’d be someone else feeding and encouraging their efforts.
    At least you seem to get general pleasure out of it, so in a sense you are using them. I suppose that’s one way of looking at it.
    My dream of a the kind of comments thread that was briefly displayed for a few weeks, which was relatively troll-less, while soaker developed this new set of competing, artificial personas, is pointless and fruitless.
    Oh well, as Vonnegut says, so it goes…

  171. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 5:55 am #

    That’s some pretty funny Yiddish Concern Trolling, guy. You’ve got a lot of nerve, calling anyone evil, when your tribe practices evil in deeds not words, without shame, all over the Earth, causing much suffering for fun and no small amount of profit.
    By the way, when you want to rip the sh1t out of someone in a passive-aggressive style and thus try to use a more subtle needle, pretending concern that is pathetically transparent, it’s called Concern Trolling, Beans, and it’s very unoriginal, not to mention ineffective against those who see through your very transparent ploy.
    If you were actually interested in an answer (which you’re obviously not) I might say that my position on humanity, as with your own Tribe, has been evolving for deacdes and in fact has been evolving in many ways publicly and on this very site over the course of recent years.
    Or that I have come to these truths with a great sense of sadness, having fought against them my entire life until recently, not endlessly revelling in it, as you seem to think.
    Not two decades ago, I was an implacable friend of Zionism, and Israel could do no wrong in my mind.
    What changed? Well, I’ve got eyes.
    From Hollywood to Wall Street to Jerusalem and everywhere in between, the Jewish Aristocracy (yeah, yeah, I know, there isn’t one because you’re so SPECIAL) is shamefully at or near the center of most of the great evils going on today.
    Is it coincidence, simply because yours is a very intelligent, driven and accomplished people, so if society becomes a Global Pathocracy, that such an accomplished people will find ways to power no matter how vile the power structure is? Or is it something deeper? I don’t know and don’t pretend I can ever truly know.
    But I have eyes, and at the very least, your people are no less susceptible to henching for the most vile evils, and convincing yourselves how wonderful you are for doing so, as any other human beings on this Earth.
    The YOU come along and are honest with ProgorCons about how you feel about Goys, which confirms my worst suspicions, and makes me realize you have more than a little bit of Good German in you.
    In us all, and only a fool would deny it.
    I know, I know, you could never hench for evil, even unwittingly, because you’re so SPECIAL, not like those Goyish Cattle, eh?
    Perhaps, dear Tribesman, you should examine your own need to address me with the ol’ “Modified (for Goys) Self-Hating Jew” Passive-Aggressive Calumny, when I have been clearly avoiding and ignoring you.
    Perhaps the self-hatred is your own. Oh, that’s right I forgot, only NON-ZIONIST Jews can be self-haters filled with that ol’ self-loathing.
    Crawl back in your hole of denial, Beans, before you embarass yourself further, hypocrite.

  172. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 6:28 am #

    I’m a Constitutionalist, Sir, and I don’t believe we should have places like Guam in the first place because I don’t want my government meddling in foreign affairs. WWII is the ONLY exception to that rule but we WERE attacked in WWII before getting involved. So Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are not rolling over in their graves.
    Fuck Britain and your seedy decaying plumbing and your dumb idea that you can just go conquer some place that’s as far from Britain as you can get. You’re damned right I’d “roll over” and give up Guam but NOT Hawaii. Hawaii is a STATE, not a protectorate. We are the United STATES of America not the United PROTECTORATES of America.
    If you want this all on your dime, Sir, then I will gladly write to the IRS and tell them that you want to pay extra so that we can police the world, okay? Sheesh.
    E.

  173. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 6:35 am #

    Eh no they couldn’t pay their bills. Had they been swimming in cash the war reparations would have been incidental. Their collapse was caused by the inability to pay the same way our own economies are now struggling with the level of debt we hold. Wether you thought Germany’s reparations fair or not is irrelevant. And yes if you cannot understand the difference you are wasting your time.

  174. charliefoxtrot April 9, 2013 at 6:50 am #

    First!! And as I and others have pointed out here on prior occasions, what makes brass and lead the “new” precious metals is not their scarcity, but their utility; one cannot eat gold, but one can either procure or protect food with bullets… And since I have recently learned how to make bread “from scratch”- ffs I didn’t mill the flour!- I can tell you that in any conceivable WMBH I, at least, will most assuredly NOT be trading any fresh loaves of bread for what is an ultimately useless metal!!!

  175. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 6:54 am #

    Well argued with Bill, WSH. I, too, had no particular antipathy for any tribe except blacks until around my 50th birthday. But then I started noticing too many “coincidences”. Given that Jews are around 2.5% of the US Population, how can it be that: 1) About half the signatories of the scandalously imperialistic Project for a New American Century are Jewish, 2) That so many Jews are at so many power points in the finance, media, and even PORNO (yes!!) industries, 3) That we hear so little pro-Palestinean news like the fact that most of the roads in Gaza City are for Israeli Army usage only (how can they be self-governing if they cannot even control their own roads, 4) That they are underrepresented in the military by a factor of TEN and in engineering by a factor of EIGHT, 5) and that the new “money center” … technology … has been bogarted by Jews at seemingly every important company … Ellison at Oracle, Zuckerberg at Facebook, Page and Brin of Google. Microsoft is on its way to becoming a nonentity but Bill Gates is the most decent chap of the lot and the only one who is a true philanthropist.
    How many “coincidences” does it take before people wake up and start realizing that these people are ruthless power brokers. The movie “Social Network” showed what a dick Zuckerberg was to his closest ally that started the company.
    I find it comical that Zuckerberg hooked up with a Chinese girl because these two cultures in combination have turned Palo Alto into the soulless, mercantilist cesspool that it currently is. Indeed, perhaps you’ve heard of the Chinese referred to as the “Jews of the Orient”. If you lived in the Bay Area, you’d see why.
    Thanks for your rant, WSH … and do not back down from FACTS. It is a vast tragedy that a culture whose average intelligence is so high seems to have been afflicted with a certain power hunger which is why they’ve been evicted from every culture they’ve been a part of for 5000 years. For five millenia, they’ve never known the meaning of ENOUGH. It must be in the genes.
    E.

  176. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 7:12 am #

    But surely Hawaii should be returned your historical conduct their is hardly glorious.The UKs distance from some of its Citizens is irrelevant. The Falklands, unlike they many ‘states’ you ‘created’ since 1776 was unoccupied. British people have lived there longer than California and Texas have been states. So save your moral attitude. You are only too happy to use both Diego Garcia and the Acenscion islands as military bases by borrowing them off us. As for the Falklands your actual support was minimal. The stingers you supplied were the A type and had problems targeting. Blowpipe actual scored better. Both lots of missiles had been paid for long before the argentines invaded. Ronnie was a good ally but ever since we have been paying for it by supporting you in your various wars that have little relevance to us, but costly to us taxpayers and to our children wehave buried.
    I always find americans like you that accuse us Brits of empire building absurd. your country since 1776 was created by stealing it from its original inhabitants and confining them on reservations that comprised of the worst land available after starving and hounding the bk of them to death! You bought land of two other imperial powers that had no real right to and fought Spain to steal more. Since then you have interfered and started wars on practically every continent for your own benefit, informing the locals you are there to help them lol!
    Talk about pot and kettle. Give back all your conquests since independence and then you might be able to take a moral stance.

  177. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 7:23 am #

    Oh and I should have added that even the Falklands have suffered at the USAs hands when the USS Lexington raided it in 1833, ironically being one of the reasons for us establishing a permanent naval base there. Is there nothing you can keep your mitts off?

  178. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 7:26 am #

    Sorry 1831.

  179. ComradeDystopia April 9, 2013 at 7:35 am #

    Obama was he yesterday, at U of H, tying up traffic with his large motorcade. You’d think Caesar Augustus himself had arrived. It was a tightly controlled event, with only activist supporters and the groveling, butt licking media allowed in. (which pretty much covers the whole New England media.) The subject was ‘gun control’. What else! The whole world is boiling up around us, markets are poised to collapse everywhere (according to Jim and others in the know) and President foodstamps is making yet another speech about gun control. How many citizens were shot up in Chicago this past weekend.
    –CD

  180. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 8:03 am #

    Obama has always reminded me of Tony Blair.
    Did we debate going to war in Iraq? Nope we spent over 700 hours of parliamentary debate on fox hunting!
    Picture both of them not as leaders but as used car salesmen. Would you buy a car off them? The cheesy grin and self centred body language put me off both of them.

  181. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 8:25 am #

    Agreed about the “coincidences”.
    It’s one thing if a coin flips heads twice in a row, or even ten times in a row, but when it flips heads a thousand or more times in a row, it’s well past time to start speculating on whether the coin is weighted.
    We all come to things in our own ways and from our own direction. If I may use the discredited Left/Right paradigm, for that is the lens I viewed things in at the time, for me the whole thing started with the Stolen Election of 2000.
    It was not as much who won, though at the time it was obviously a tragedy in the making for untold soon-to-be suffering millions, but that there had been a Constitutional way to end it all (as laid out in Article II, if I recall) by sending the issue to Congress for a vote, but an effort was made to ensure that route was not followed or even acknowledged by Corpzi Media.
    Among other oddities, this stood out. Not only was there a proper Constitutional way to settle it that was avoided, it was never mentioned, literally, by Corpzi Media such that it never existed.
    It was at that time I began to realize just how much the education system (by design? as John Taylor Gatto and others have speculated) had failed, or was it succeeded, in turning we Americans, collectively, into a bunch of boobs not only incapable of defending freedom, but of even understanding what freedom was, mistaking it for simply “being left alone”.
    But I digress, the fact that Corpzi Aristocracy and Media literally made the Constitution disappear, was deeply disturbing, and lead me to ask more uncomfortable questions.
    In the end, and I won’t go into all the steps involved, it eventually occurred to me that what America was becoming was very Jewish, or perhaps Zionist, in nature.
    How could more than two-thirds of Jews be genuine Old-School Liberals (remember, I was still embracing the discredited Left/Right BS) while their Aristocratic Leadership were all RW Conscienceless Monsters and their henchmen aping them without conscience for a weekly paycheck?
    How could not one honest “voice of the Old-School Liberal Jewish Peasantry” find it’s way into Corpzi Media, especially when Jews in fact DO pretty much own and run the whole shebang, only fake patronizing “identity politics” Liberalism that helps no one but it’s shills and protected interest groups?
    It did not compute in any way, analyzing such incongruities with the tools of Conventional Wisdom.
    Conventional Wisdom, propagandized and legitimized by this same Corpzi Media – LOL.
    More intervening steps and more pyramiding of observations culminating in the brutal, excessive and barbaric Israeli assault on Lebanon in 2006, as the Corpzi Media played the same exact fiddle it played to numb any questions about Stolen Election 2000, the 9/11 inconsistencies, the Iraq Invasion, Stolen Election 2004 (not that it would have mattered, in retrospect), and so much else.
    I believe it is the transitive property that says if A=B and B=C then A=C.
    Well, it took a long time because my ego didn’t want to acknowledge what my eyes had seen over and over again so many times it was like a ball-peen hammer blow to the forehead, but the brutal barbarity of the Israeli Punitive Expedition 2006 put me over the top and I finally let the scales fall from my eyes to see what I’d probably known for years by then.
    From then on, through Beans’s stunning admission that he’d defend a fellow Jew regardless of the crime committed and of guilt or innocence and everything “current events” since, I have seen nothing to alter that A=C perception.
    Quite the opposite. All evidence, especially now that things are speeding up and Aristocratic Sociopaths of all races, creeds and colors feel more comfortable in being quite shamelessly forthright with what they are about to do with and to we Peasants, knowing they can and no one will do a thing to stop them, confirms this “unconventional” belief more deeply every day.
    You might enjoy this. Yet another admission about who own and yes, pretty much controls, the media.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
    Take special note of the last line in this stunningly honest admission.

  182. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 8:41 am #

    “Even on CFN we can see that the trolls have NOTHING in favor of immigration, to present in a factual or reasoned manner.
    So they resort to racist name calling.
    I now wait to be attacked by one of them – probably soon.” -p4c, to bustin jay, @ 11:16-
    “When you support NumbersUSA, you are supporting racists…..”
    – the racist name-caller, asokadequatio @ 12:27-
    So, it only took one hour and eleven minutes for the first attack by troll-asokadequatio. This first post was followed by FIVE additional posts on the same subject, with no response by ANY other poster – just asokadequatio frantically talking to himself. Desperation made visible.
    Again, this being a “peak everything” website – it’s fair to say that most readers and posters (excluding the multiple personality troll, of course) are logically in favor of slowing the population growth in the one place US citizens have that power, which is INSIDE the US.
    You folks will not believe how EASY the NumbersUSA Action Board is to use until you try it – and how free it is of expense or entanglements.
    I would recommend doing it just for the joy to be had in making asokadequatio angry – if for no other reason.

  183. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    So, let me get this straight. If a president, or aspiring president purveys the image of a simple, good-ol-boy cowboy/rancher you could have a beer with, then you give them the thumbs up and the green light? Or, if they purvey the image of the consummate statesman of a bygone era like Adolph Hitler, it’s all systems go?
    I know, with all the amazing advances in technology, maybe some day soon like in Jurassic Park they can clone the “Founding Fathers” and these clones can be groomed to fulfill the image spelled out in the history books. That would be cool. Sure, we still wouldn’t get out deposits back as unsecured creditors, but at least the POTUS would purvey a proper and decent image, and if you think about it, that’s all that really matters. It’s all about perception management.

  184. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 8:54 am #

    It’s all a ruse to pump gun stocks. Obama has stakes in several large gun manufacturers and you will not pry those stocks from his Cold Dead Hands. He knows that all he has to do is mention any semblance of gun control, no matter how benign and feckless said control is, and the psychotic and freakish gun-nutters double their arsenals for the Dreadful Day that will never come. Keep on keepin on, suckers. Just do us all a favor and leave the bus drivers and little kiddies out of it when you decide to make your last stand in your made-by-hand shelters.

  185. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 8:57 am #

    Obama’s not Augustus, he’s Claudius.
    The rough analogs are:
    Reagan = Julius (though the original Julius was a genius, not a doddering senile old puppet of Poppy Augustus’, so the analogy certainly isn’t true across the board)
    Poppy Bush = Augustus
    Clinton = Tiberius
    Bush the Stupid = Caligula
    Obama = Claudius
    Jeb Bush? = Nero
    Oh, it’s going to be a fun time when Nero comes, isn’t it? He will fiddle while Rome burns, and after 9/11 #2 that will be music to the ears of millions of Corpzis.
    Of course, where Nero was, more or less, a foppish fool, Jebbie is quite clearly very smart, more Obama than Obama and he is ENTITLED ROYALTY.
    OTOH, forget I said that and just enjoy 2016 and 2017. The coming economic collapse will let you blame Obama, and then 9/11 #2 will get your murderous juices flowing, as it will be intended, so you and yours WILLINGLY become soldiers for the Greater Glory of Corpzi America, without worrying over any pesky questions like how did they find “Iranian Mohammed Atta’s” passport dead center at Ground Zero, this one being a square mile of fused black glass or a dirty bombed dead zone in the marketing gold of a devastated Chicago that bring Republicrats and Demicans together to vanquish the enemy abroad and at home, weirdos who ask silly questions about that passport and whoo stand in the way of the Greater Glory of the Corpzi State.
    What fun you will have if only you can silence that pesky conscience of yours!
    Finally, CD, I can see this is becoming a little stalky on my part, so I give you my word that if you don’t respond to me, I will cease responding to your posts.
    No hard feelings. I wouldn’t say these things to you if I didn’t think you were someone with the ability to throw off your conventional blinders and join those relative few of us who can SEE (as they called us in the movie, “They Live” – worth seeing if you haven’t yet).

  186. ozone April 9, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    Very interesting concurrence of propaganda “opportunities” here, no?
    Prez’dint photo-op shows his grinning visage in the very wealthiest spot in the country that has all the right credentials for drooling pollsters. Ya got yer well-endowed delusional educational institutions (their vaunted “liberalism” is a fucking lie, it’s all about the Benjamins, peeps); building and shopping is still booming; a horrific school shooting by a you-man being that couldn’t have survived without the support of his parents’ wealth; I’m sure we could name a bunch of other cynically considered niceties that propelled this Potemkin appearance. It’s all pretty disgusting in the larger scheme of things, and when CT is now the ANOMALY, not the average as far as what most of the country is experiencing. (Read Michigan Native’s, and E.’s missives for examples.) How would this propaganda-op have gone over in, say, downtown Dee-troit or Flint?
    And what’s it all about, Alfie?
    It’s about knowing where all the guns is at and who gots ’em. (Yer responsible law-abiding citizen is highest on that list, if we should accidentally happen to think about it longer than 2 seconds.) Why would the gum’mint want such a list?
    So we come to the “feel” of the moment, mirrored right h’yar on this h’yar blog. Desperation is the odor of the day. The volume of distractionary and irrelevant bullshittery has markedly increased; they want this comment section in ruins, period. Divide and conquer; they’re afraid some will find common cause and start taking positive steps in the “real world”. After all, power is nothing more than how many willingly bend their knee to the throne; critical thinking is not encouraged or welcomed. This increase in noise and static is revealing, as more and more things reach their shelf-lives and just quit working. (Must’nt be allowed to look at that too closely now, must we?)

  187. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    One last thing, E:
    You mentioned Zuckerberg being a dick to his supposed ally.
    I don’t know if you caught my long post to you in which I discussed in detail my feelings for the Flyers and how I arrived there.
    If you didn’t, see if you can find an account about how Ed Snider ACTUALLY got majority ownership of the Flyers, from the original owner Jerry Wolin.
    You think what Zuckerberg did was reprehensible? Let me know how you think it compares to the Snider/Wolin Story after you read it, please.
    This, too, was wholly suppressed by the Corpzi Media for so many years until, when the story finally leaked out, Ed “guess what religion” Snider couldn’t be hurt by such revelations.
    Just one more coin toss out of hundreds, all turning up heads. Nothing to see here, move along.

  188. ComradeDystopia April 9, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    Actually CN, gun manufactures are leaving Connecticut, beginning with the Colt announcement yesterday. Ruger, Mossberg and Stag will be leaving soon as well. Of course the gun industry started in CT, beginning with Colt and Sharps in Hartford in the 1850s, and Winchester and Marlin in New Haven in the 1860s.
    The bicycle, sewing machine, aircraft and automobile industries were originally spinoffs from the firearms business. One example: Columbia Bicycle, Weed Sewing Machine, Pope Electric Car and the Wasp Pratt & Whitney engine were all developed in the original Sharps Factory on Capital Avenue, mostly with engineers trained at Colt and Stevens up in Chicopee.
    I’m not sure what’s going to be left here, except the immense Social Services Agencies, various Gay and Lesbian Film Festivals, and UConn, which sucks up the excess wealth of the state like a vacuum cleaner.
    Hey Hancock, be careful what you say about 911 if you want to stick around. Being a 911 truther will get you kicked out of here faster than anything else. JHK puts up with a lot on this site, but he won’t put up with that.
    –CD

  189. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    One last thing, E:
    =========
    Dude, there’s never “one last thing” with you; it’s an endless string of nutter butter.
    Gates is as much a prick as Zuckerberg.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/03/30/bill-gates-tried-to-screw-paul-allen-whats-the-surprise/

    Gates in particular has been seen before as sometimes ruthless in wielding his power. After all, there are those who charge that he acquired the basis for DOS, the source of Microsoft’s first millions, unfairly, from an inventor named Gary Kildall. Harold Evans, in his book They Made America, charges that Gates essentially stole the software. In an interview I did with Evans in 2004 about his history of American invention, he said, “Kildall is the most abused of all the innovators. In justice to him, to his memory, his is the most monstrous story in the book. We all of us today benefit from Gary Kildall’s innovations, and they were basically snitched from him.”

  190. ozone April 9, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    As far as St. Thatcher, fuck that handmaiden of da deb’bil.
    Boosters and worshipers should examine the incredible waste and looting performed under her aegis. North Sea oil. A bonanza frittered away for the enrichment of a select few. SOP
    Where’s the Thatcher-era prosperity in privitization now, eh? It was all a sham and cover for legal thievery.
    The UK is done and over; the trade in financial instruments won’t save them. Try trading those for grain when the surplus goes away.
    Hancock’s diatribes about the general moral turpitude of the race known as humans, ain’t far from the mark when we take a peek at its’ “leaders” (those considered “successful”).
    Maggie and her pal Ronnie are prime examples. Satisfyingly enough, both died severely demented. (Is that the ultimate corruption of a sort?)

  191. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    There needs to be much, much more of this, but I’m afraid because of cowards like we see here in the comments section, any aggression will be focused on the least able to defend themselves, the so-called “minorities.” Look at Gates cower when he gets pied. Priceless. And Rather’s coverage makes the whole segment appear as though it’s a Saturday Night Live skit….the one where Buckwheat gets shot.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6SS8CXYZo

  192. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    For juxtaposition, here’s Buckwheat Buys The Farm. This is back when SNL was decent. It jumped the shark long ago.
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/10389

  193. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    Thanks for the warning about 9/11, CD, but I won’t shut up.
    All I am truly certain of, as with pretty much everything these days and for most of history, is that The Official Story is either partly or completely false.
    It’s got so many holes as to be a swiss cheese and which, if people weren’t so readily blinded by Aristocratic Sociopathic Power and their own denial, could have been investigated to such a degree that there was a reasonable certainty that The Official Story or something close to it, and represented the authorities’ honest attempts to get to the truth.
    But that wasn’t the case, now was it? The 9/11 Comission was a pathetic joke, and Bush and Cheney REFUSED to be put under oath for their testimony, oh by the way delivered by the two f them together, if you’ll recall.
    Then there’s the “coincidence” that all the cameras and security apparatus in WTCs were shut down the weekend befor 9/11, and the “coincidence” that the perps struck UNERRINGLY on the exact date and time NORAD et al. were engaged in multiple (was it four, six, or eight, I can’t remember, you’ll have to look it up if you want to know the exact number) “exercises” that coincidentally seemed designed to confuse anyone trying to figure out where amindst all the simulated noise the actual Op was going down…
    (at least one of the exercises was that of a simulated plane crashing into the Pentagon…look it up)
    This and more, so many more, inconsistencies and “coincidences” (Google “Rudi Dekkers” for yet another of the dozens) that it is a virtual certainty if it wasn’t for the blinding properties of Corpzi Media, no one with above a second-grade education would believe The Official Lie.
    Like Atta’s passport swirling through the flames unscathed – LOL.
    Now, I don’t wish to discuss 9/11 further other than that it’s an obvious lie (for whatever reason, I can only speculate) and that the coming 9/11 #2, now an Aristocratic Sociopolitical imperative to push the ol’ reset button, will almost certainly be the same.
    Which is to say, the same kind of Corpzi Lie the Nazis likely told when they “caught” Van Der Lubbe, armed with every conceivable form of ID, after the burning of the Reichstag, Germany’s 9/11.
    JHK can do what he wants, it’s his site, but I WILL NO LONGER BE AFRAID TO CALL A LIE A LIE WHEN THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS SUCH AN ACCUSATION.
    We can never know what truly happened on 9/11 #1 OR #2 yet to come, but it’s quite obvious The Official Story is a fabrication, probably wrapped around a grain of truth to make it go down easier, and choked by ridiculous theories designed to discredit the truth by getting it lumped in with the rest, likely seeded by DoD and NSA Trolls for that purpose.
    Standard PsyOp practice.
    And that’s more than enough “9/11 Truther Talk” for me, except perhaps briefly in tengent and as it relates, of course, to the coming 9/11 #2 leading to WWIII and eventually the Great Dieoff, which I can’t begin to imagine how that will go down over the next century, and don’t want to.
    Bad enough that in 2001, I accurately predicted, among other things, that by today, legally, the Police State would be completed and waiting for a Trigger Event to magically spring to life, and here it is almost identical to how I envisioned then.
    Now comes the Trigger Event.
    Wait for it…

  194. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 10:29 am #

    That’s the problem and the paradox, my friend.
    Most of humanity are such blind followers (it has nothing to do with intelligence, I have noticed)and so desperately responsive to whatever lies their Aristocratic Sociopaths tell, that it doesn’t matter how nice they are personally.
    American Corpzis or German Nazis, each can be flipped on like a switch. Rememeber, even AFTER WWII, the Valkyrie “traitors” who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944, their families were DESPISED until the mid 1950s by their neighbors.
    Typical. Don’t expect American Corpzis, even the ones who are personally “nice” who’s house you wouldn’t mind going to for a dinner party, all things being equal, to behave any different than their spiritual ancestors.
    (which is only evolution at work – after the aristos murdered everyone who asked a question that dared expose them for 8000 years, it’s a wonder there are any genes left that promote independant critical thinking and a stubborn refusal to believe lies, particularly, as Goebels correctly observed, BIG LIES TOLD BY BIG MEN, so to speak)
    So, that’s the paradox. Even the “nice” people will become murderous unquestioning monsters if commanded to by their Aristocratio Sociopathic Masters, and will continue to hate those “question-asking traitors” even after their beloved Aristocratic Sociopathic Leaders have been revealed as cartoonishly evil.
    It won’t be any different here.
    And yes, the desperation of Cass Sunstein’s Own is evident both on CFN and in the larger society.
    Remember, they only have to keep the lid on until mid-2016 or so, then the shock of the next phase of the Greater Depression followed by the uppercut of 9/11 #2 (The Sequel: Bigger and BADDER than the original movieas the marketing dictates), as B.F Skinner experimentally determined, will wipe everyone’s previous programming with the shock and horror, readying them to be the enthusiastic, willing pawns of the American Corpzi State as it prepares to murder millions both at home and abroad.
    It sucks, but there you have it. “Nice” people, as they always have, will turn on like flipped switches, provided they are flipped by, as Poppy Augustus put it “higher, tighter, and righter hands”.
    I always appreciate your posts, ozone. If I’ve missed something, I can usually count on you bringing it up eventually.
    See you around the board.

  195. Jimmy Drinkwater April 9, 2013 at 11:29 am #

    So the war reparations were “incidental”? Good lord, even Keynes resigned the British treasury over
    the size of the demands, which took until 2010 to be fully repaid. The Treaty of Versailles placed the total economic burden of WWI on Germany. Please do a just little reading on the subject.

  196. ozone April 9, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    Let’s reflect on this for a moment and see if we have not already had our first of the “Dreadful Days”. (From Carolyn Baker’s review of Orlov’s latest edition.):
    “Once we have realized the extent of our predicament and the compelling likelihood of the collapse of industrial civilization, we exit exclusively mental territory and enter the psychological realm, for as Orlov says, “the main impediment to grasping its significance is not intellectual but psychological.” ”
    Okay, it’s my firm contention that “we” (reg’lar, non-gum’mint-issue posters to the CFN) have crossed this Rubicon, this final barrier to pro-action and embittered rejection of the status quo. Trying to pull us back from this “re-set of perception” is now an impossibility, so I guess the only thing left is to distract from what we say to each other and diligently track us as “subversive hippie weirdos”. What we’re looking for now is any number of ways to do things that we’re specifically discouraged from doing (or studying) by an abusive and extractive system.
    Ms. Baker has lots to say about gettin’ yer mind right that we already subscribe to through simple observation over time. (Kind of a psychological osmosis, I suppose.) Willful denial and a fevered subsumption in entertainments prevent most from seeing what’s noisily marching down 5th Avenue like a thousand-piece brass band. But the unconscious awareness is there and reflected in some truly stunning stretches of cognitive dissonance. “We need more police pertekshun, but then my taxes go up because the city’s so broke it’s laying off police, but we need more police pertekshun…” (etc., ad nauseum).
    Now I’m not so certain that the aware have any advantage over the unaware, but we definitely won’t be subject to the panic that a sudden awakening might hold and we’ll not be so susceptible to despair. A fatalistic sense of humor can be an asset.

  197. ozone April 9, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    (Here’s a link to that review for interested parties.):
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34543.htm

  198. Beantownbill April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    Per my one reply to bullshit posts policy, what I got to say, Hancock, is this (and no, I really don’t care if you comment or not):
    Seems to me I struck a nerve about the self-loathing and evil topics because you responded exactly as I’ve experienced many times. When you don’t have an effective comeback, you play the anti-Jew card. Where in my post did I tie you to any group? Didn’t I respond to you as an individual? If you want to go off on a rant about the Jews, why did you make your response to me almost entirely about Jews rather than an ad hominem reply?
    Attacking one’s religion or ethnic origin is the last refuge of the coward who has no other response. You talk an erudite game, Hancock, but you are nothing more than a mental midget.

  199. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

    I am well versed in what happen in Germany thank you. The reason why it is incidental in this discussion is because we are talking about what happens after a financial collapse not the cause. A financial collapse can have a myriad of causes but the outcome remains the same. Unable to cover the bills due( of any nature) a currency will collapse. When QE is used as in the case of Weimar and ourselves the debasement of the currency has only one ending. The roman empire suffered similar problems under the Severan emperors who constantly debased their own currency until the denarius had virtually no value by the end of the third century. Maybe you want to spend time debating the fairness of the war reparations. We could start with the fact that 12.5 billion gold marks( of the 20 billion paid) was actually loaned from New York banks. $ 100 million of which went to the USA despite your rather brief participation. The French refused to defer payment and Germany’s evasion of responsibility of any wrongdoing for the whole war did little to help matters. Keynes 1919 book on the consequences of peace have frequently been challenged. There is Peacemakes by McMillan and if you can find a copy Mantoux’s the Carthaginian Peace though that dates from 1940 something my copy is a 1957 print. Most of Keynes Assertations were proved wrong anyhow one of the classic ones being that Germany would be unable to pay 2 billion marks over the next 30 years when in real terms between 33 and late 38 Germany spent seven times as much on rearmament! A number of American historians have wrote reams on the subject and we could drag it out all week but my initial point was valid.
    A further point over Keynes however is that his argument against the gold standard has allowed successive government to disregard any sound fiscal policy and just print money to offset any problems they had. It has led us to the point we have now reached. You might want to examine the purchasing power of the 1919 dollar compared to today to see how far your own currency has fallen! Ours isn’t looking too shiny either.

  200. ComradeDystopia April 9, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

    Hey BTBill I just want to say that some of us regret the anti semitic remarks on this site, many made directly at you. I’m a little surprised by it — posters here seem pretty progressive and well educated. But what they seem may be a little deceiving. I don’t know where it comes from, maybe the need for a scapegoat when things aren’t going right. However, you’ve acquitted yourself rather well. Like some of my other Jewish friends, you are no longer taking any sh-t from anybody. Turning the other cheek only goes so far.
    –CD

  201. shorty April 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    This disinformation site is being full monitored. We have access to your server and know who you are, where you live, who you are related to, who you are employed by. Those of you making derogatory comments about the JNWO can expect subtle but methodical, and ultimately severe retribution. You may want to reconsider your beliefs and comments, or suffer the consequences when we get around to you. Again, we know who you are…….

  202. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    For comparison to roman emperors you might consider Alexander Severus onwards through the crisis of the third century. If JHK is right the era and his predictions have jarring similarities. Economic depression, civil war, invasion and plague. Maybe Obama will turn out to be Severus!
    The era disrupted trade so much that we ended up with the decentralised economy of the middle ages. To get to that we had the horrors of the dark ages. Europes great castles were partly a result of this as lawlessness was rampant with a feudal society far more unpleasant that JHK imagines in his books.
    One of the major points of the crisis of the third century was the alarming rise in costs of defence. While tax revenue dropped due to the poor economy more troops were needed. Not only that but a grater proportion were the far bigger expense of cavalry which cost far more than conventional legions. Add to that the cost of walling in the cities for added security made for greater expense. The corn dole free to any citizen of Rome even though unproductive and the exodus of the rich to their heavily defended estate compounded matters again.
    An interesting era with more than a few similarities to our time!

  203. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    If you subscribe to Orlov’s five stages of collapse, there is no reason to believe, especially when you factor in the effects of climate change, that stage five won’t be achieved. Even Orlov asserts there is no preparing for this stage, and he’s reluctant to suggest how to prepare for stage three or four. You can’t prepare, ozone. The fact you are even cognizant of, and worried about, collapse indicates you are not a member of the group that will ultimately have any chance of passing on its seed. I’m sure that won’t stop you though, so firm are you in your beliefs.

  204. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    LOL, you doubled down!
    Of course you did, what else could you do without some self-awareness that is impossible in light of your tribal affiliations and the mental chains you wear?
    It is a ponderous chain.
    Your first tactic, as usual, is the false claim of victimhood.
    Sorry, guy, it doesn’t wash.
    Ad hominem? You clearly have no idea what the word means.
    Oh, and the old “I know you are but what am I?” using the even older “I struck a nerve” variant, as distractional comeback?
    Precious.
    Personally, I have enjoyed that counter-variant which has been around even longer than Concern Trolling.
    See, dude, because you aren’t crazy like Soaker and Vlad, you are waaaay behind in your distractional BS. Unsophisticated, old, dry and dusty. Sad and pathetic.
    If you can’t answer, at least update your distraction BS, so it’s not so childishly pathetic. That might still work on Corpzi Media against huge group of millions, but not in small groups of individuals.
    All you have is the old false victim whining and even I, who used to eat it up hook, line and sinker not twenty years ago, don’t even fall for it anymore.
    Both you personally and your Tribe have played that card once too often.
    The disparity between your collective BS and your collective actions became too great.
    Hell, have you read the polling on young Jews? Even half of THEM don’t believe your BS anymore. That’s the sweetest of all, even your own people no longer believe you. Serves you right. Too many insults to basic intelligence, as you are laying on thick now.
    Don’t believe me about your young people? Oh, please do check it out. I would love to see the look on your face as you realize that, once again, I am telling it like it is.
    What am I saying? No you won’t. Your ponderous chain prevents you from seeing anything but looking for more excuses, whining, and extremely outdated distractional strategy that even your own youth don’t buy anymore.
    You make me laugh, and I am guessing you are making a lot of other “non-government issue” posters laugh.
    Cry some more, Beansie. Cry me a river. You know how to faux indignance, that’s for sure, but it’s a one-note.
    Remember, anyone who questions Zionism is an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew, although that one is so old, no one with two brain cells to rub together buys it, least of all your own youth.
    C’mon back now. I am truly enjoying taking you apart rhetorically piece by piece.
    But please do rack your brain for something more original this time. I like a challenge and you just aren’t providing me with one.

  205. Carol Newquist April 9, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    No doubt the Sheriff’s deputy is related to one of you Yahoos. It’s the same mentality. You all are a bunch of freakin inbred retards. You have no business having access to firearms.
    http://news.yahoo.com/boy-4-accidentally-kills-tenn-deputys-wife-204026525.html

    Authorities say a 4-year-old boy grabbed a loaded gun at a family cookout and accidentally shot and killed the wife of a Tennessee sheriff’s deputy.
    Investigators say Wilson County Deputy Daniel Fanning on Saturday was showing his weapons to a relative in a bedroom of his Lebanon home when the toddler came in and picked up a gun off the bed. Sheriff Robert Bryan says the weapon discharged, hitting 48-year-old Josephine Fanning.
    She was pronounced dead at the scene. The child is not related to her or her husband.

    You freaks should not be allowed to breed. Thankfully you won’t be if and/or when we reach stage five. Shit, if you think about it, the kid was doing the world a favor. Now there’s one less of you. It’s a good thing, as Martha would say.

  206. beantownbill April 9, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Marlin, you don’t know how much I appreciate your post. You are right about the scapegoat part, and you are right about not turning the other cheek. This is a peak everything, criticize the government and elites site and I don’t want the discussion to drift off-subject. That’s why I limited myself to one reply per anti-semitic comment; I can still satisfy the don’t turn the other cheek criterion, but limit the amount of wasted bandwidth here.
    You are a good man, Marlin.

  207. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Fell for the old false victimhood, did you?
    Thanks for apologizing for me – LOL- and for letting us all know that you have Jewish friends.
    In some ways you are so close to seeing, and yet so far. (cliche alert)
    Yep, anyone who questions anything Zionists do or say surely has no grounds and simply must be an anti-Semite. No other possible explanation, right?
    He looped his mental chain chain around you, and you stepped up on cue, all apologetic and contrite, even though you had nothing to do with this conversation.
    Don’t you have any self-respect?
    If he asks you, would you roll over and fetch, too?
    I mean, to make sure everyone knows you aren’t an anti-Semite.
    (by the way, Beansie, THAT’S an ad hominem, though I am sure you can’t tell the diference because you don’t want to tell the difference)

  208. beantownbill April 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    One thing about guns: there are safety operating rules for gun use. One of the very strictest is to NEVER leave a gun loaded until you are ready to shoot it, and to lock it away EMPTY otherwise. The deputy violated at least 2 common sense rules. His gun license should be taken away. Should everyone be punished because of a stupid, careless person?
    Almost all accidental gun deaths resulted from dumbass carelessness or gun ignorance. The vast majority of gun owners are very careful and this kind of stuff doesn’t happen to them.

  209. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    You patted him on the head!
    “Good dog, Marlin. Here’s a Scooby Snack.”
    Thanks for completing the picture so wonderfully!
    Finally, the way to avoid me, douchebag (now that’s an ad hominem, too) is not to start a dialog with me, as you did on this thread when I was perfectly willing to ignore your ludicrous and boringly self-deceptive commentary.
    But you couldn’t help it could you? Could you?
    If you don’t want me to expose your embarassingly transparent nonsense, don’t engage me.
    You already broke the “treaty” once, though I am sure in your perpetual victimhood you will whine how it was my fault how I forced you to type a response and, in fact, you called me “evil”.
    We’ll see if you can shut your piehole instead of pretending to be the Motral Arbiter of Us All while simultaneously declaring you’d defened ANY fellow Jew for any crime they committed, regardless of their guilt or innocene, simply because they are Jewish.
    I am betting you can’t. After all, as part of The Most Ethical Tribe in the World (and you believe it in your heart, I know you do, if only you had the cojones to admit it aloud) it is your duty to set we primitive Goyish Cattle straight, no?
    Go ahead, make me laugh some more.

  210. Eleuthero5 April 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    Good piece about the “coincidences”, WSH. The national ethos that it has created, in a nutshell, is that for the first time in US history, hard work almost NEVER pays off. It’s cronyism, chutzpah, and the gall to do the unconscionable that pays off in Postmodern America.
    Indeed, it’s also coming at a time when Americans are getting lousier and lousier jobs with harder working conditions, worse pay, and less respect. Our plutocracy has become a giant gaggle of Marie “Let Them Eat Cake” Antoinettes who look at the working poor (which is now most of the middle class) as peasants to be exploited like galley slaves.
    We’re following the Chinese model of disrespecting workers while paying lip service to the virtues of hard work. In reality, China is brutal for manual laborers and if a death happens on the job there is no grieving period. “Scrape him off the field and get on with the game.” Sigh.
    E.

  211. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    You are absolutely correct on that one, Tree.
    It’s tough to reconcile the two eras because things are proceeding so much faster these days.
    So, while you are correct about the economics being late second/early third century, I also view the Stolen Election of 2000 as a political demarcation line not unlike Caesar crossing the Rubicon with his legion.
    Historians may argue when the American Republic actually ended, but I am willing to bet 12/12/2000 will be one of the dates in contention.
    IF there’s anyone left who has the free time and access to historical data to even compare by that time.
    I am of the opinion that, depending on which angle one views from, we can both make credible arguments to being technically correct here.
    Nice post.

  212. Rhino April 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    Northern Italy is more prosperous? It is now but it wasn’t always so. As I keep saying, times change. In ancient times large parts of northern Italy (Gallia Cisalpina to the Romans) was the tribal territory of semi-civilized Celts. But southern Italy and Sicily were dotted with prosperous, cities and towns, some of them Greek colonies, centers of culture and scholarship. Like Syracuse and Neapolis. Part of ancient Magna Graecia.
    You talk about invasions form the north. There were invasions from the east like that of the Huns which Germanic peoples couldn’t cope with and so sought refuge within the Roman Empire. The Chinese built defensive fortifications which may have sent that many headed throng west into Europe. But apparently Europeans whether Roman or Slav or Germanic or whatever never had the same vision or skill to do the same.
    You look at the present times and jump to conclusions: as it is now it always was and always will be. Not the case.
    I don’t want to bore but there are genetic studies of very old Neanderthal remains. Apparently geneticists were able to extract enough DNA from these old bones to substantially reconstruct the Neanderthal genome. And then they compared the Neanderthal genome to DNA from living people in various parts of the world. They found an interesting thing. The DNA of people outside Africa is 1% to 4% Neanderthal. The DNA of Africans has apparently got none. Possibly because there wasn’t enough admixture to be detectable in Africans, possibly because the admixture between modern Sapiens and Neanderthal happened in Eurasia. Who knows. Anyway, one study concluded that the greatest concentration of Neanderthal DNA is in modern Italians.
    And now you triumphantly say: I TOLD you so. THAT proves it.
    But hang on to your horses. Because this concentration is found especially in the people of Tuscany. You know, those beautiful, brilliant people that gave us the Etruscan civilization that ruled over and civilized the rude, crude Romans. And that gave us the glories of the Renaissance in such sublime places as Florence. How can this be? Do you know where on the DNA molecule this concentration of Neanderthal genes is apparently found? In the section of DNA that regulates immune response. So whatever DNA Neanderthals passed on to modern humans survived because it was of use in fighting disease.
    You seem to think that skin color is the all important indicator. I keep telling you that there’s more to people than skin and hair and eye color. Like, for example, immune response. There’s a lot of pieces, an enormously complex puzzle.
    I’m betting I know your gut reaction to my telling you about the concentration of Neanderthal genes. Or maybe I’m assuming. That it was one of triumph, that it helps proves your thesis that southern Europeans are the inferior breed. That is, before I told you the section of DNA where Neanderthal genes are concentrated.
    To sow confusion, there’s another study that concludes that the greatest concentration of Neanderthal is in East Asians. The point being that science is a work in progress, one day’s “knowledge” is the next day’s bunk. You want to classify humans into this or that category? Based on what? Because science is of limited use. You read this study or that study and they take you places you shouldn’t go. Because tomorrow there’s more studies that contradict the previous. This is assuming you understand the science in the first place. So don’t bother.
    To sow more confusion there’s now some geneticists saying that modern human DNA is at least partly an accretion of more archaic human varieties absorbed via inter-breeding. More than anatomically modern Sapiens and Neanderthal. Apparently there’s a Neanderthal-like breed named Denisovan after the place in Siberia where remains were found. And Denisovan DNA is found especially in the DNA of modern Austronesians. And then there were remains of archaic humans found in China that date back only about 11,000 years. What part did they play? Nobody knows. Did archaic humans play any part in the genetic inheritance of modern Africans? Nobody knows. Add to these knowledge gaps even more gaps as to how and when humans migrated and inter-married.
    What I’m trying to convey is this this racist enterprise you’ve embarked on is futile. Racists base their assertions on partial, biased readings of history and circumstance. Racists see what they want to see. Racists need to feel superior. Maybe it’s all based in feelings of inadequacy. Like German Nazis feeling inadequate because their ancestors weren’t the ones that founded ancient civilizations and didn’t build anything like Rome or Athens or Babylon or the pyramids or Teotihuacan or the Great Wall.
    And so you get compensatory chest pounding. ARYANS ARE THE MASTER RACE. Seriously? Based on what? Based on whiteness and blondness and blue eyes?
    It’s pathetic, ridiculous and a waste of time. Let it go. There’s better ways to spend your energy.

  213. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    Thank you, Rhino, for an excellent series of posts. People like Janos/Julian don’t seem to want to recognize that the linking of skin color with inferiority has been one of the most powerful and destructive intellectual ideas of all time, leading directly to slavery, civil war, and, more recently, segregation and apartheid. The linking of blackness with otherness is one of the most powerful and destructive intellectual constructs of all time.

  214. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    Turn the other cheek? You think that is Jewish? Shame on you. That comes from Christ whom they put to death. Judeo-Christain is a nonsense concept made by them for us. Have some dignity if you can’t have some commonsense. Like Hanc said, you are acting like a Goy Dog.

  215. Jam47 April 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Indeed. The collapse that occurred in the fifth century almost occurred in the third. Diocletian forestalled it.
    The most striking piece of physical evidence that the third-century emperors well understood the weakness of the empire and of Rome itself is the Aurelian wall. Had Rome ever before encircled itself with such stout ramparts? Don’t think so.
    As you probably know, the legions had to fight the Persians to keep them from taking the provinces in the east. Had the Persian monarchs of the third century been as aggressive as Darius and Xerxes, Italy might have become a Persian province. That would have been a spanner in the works! No Christendom, no Renaissance, no Enlightenment, no us.
    I now recall your once saying that you’re partly Persian yourself. Did the Parthians have the strength to send their armies to Italy and take it. Did they have reason to bother?

  216. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    “So if we’re truly committed to strengthening our middle class and providing more ladders of opportunity to those who are willing to work hard to make it into the middle class, we’ve got to fix the system. We have to make sure that every business and every worker in America is playing by the same set of rules. We have to bring this shadow economy into the light so that everybody is held accountable — businesses for who they hire, and immigrants for getting on the right side of the law. That’s common sense. And that’s why we need comprehensive immigration reform.”
    — President Barack Obama, January 29, 2013

  217. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    The national ethos that it has created, in a nutshell, is that for the first time in US history, hard work almost NEVER pays off. It’s cronyism, chutzpah, and the gall to do the unconscionable that pays off in Postmodern America.

    Well said and with brevity, what I quoted of your post, and all the rest.
    Ultimately the question is, can anything near the entirety of this repetetive phenomena be laid at the feet of Zionism?
    In the absence of a gigantic “Elders of Zion” centuries-spanning conspiracy, I don’t think it can. Human history is incredibly complex, usually with a number of simultaneous causes.
    This pattern of our nation has, to varying degrees, been repeated in many countries in many time periods, including more than a few where Zionists or Jews weren’t even present.
    It is tempting, after Beansie stuck his nose in, broke our informal treaty, and called me “evil” to boot, to just go hogwild on him and his Tribe, but collective blame and collective punishment are wrong, and will always be wrong.
    Whether it’s the Nazis upon the Jews, Turks upon the Armenians, Israelis upon the Palestinians or any other of the brutal torturing occupations and oppressive thefts throughout history, collective blame and collective punishment are wrong.
    I don’t know what the answer is. There probably is no answer to the great sweeps of human history that have us all in their grip.
    For instance, I like to argue that the problem is Aristocratic Sociopathy, and that is something which is not endemic to Jewish Aristocracy only, far from it.
    If the Jewish “race” had never existed, would the world be a paradise or would other less accomplished sociopaths, who are roughly 4% of any populace, regardless of race, creed or color have filed the role anyway? My money’s on the latter, human beings being what we are.
    These are all tough questions that I guess boil down to “is the national ethos you speak of and I agree with, is that the sole responsibility of Jews or are they just taking the forefront, as an accomplished people do on many things, good and bad alike?
    Certainly collective punishment and blame is wrong. Beansie took offense that I bludgeoned him with the actions of his Tribe, which is true.
    Not because he’s collectively responsible, but because as he called me “evil”, I felt compelled to point out the many evils he blithely and hypocritically supports or ignores every day, and evil DEEDS not words, simply because it’s “his team” that’s doing the evil. Just like every other race creed and color of humankind.
    Just food for thought, I don’t wish to argue about things metaphysical right now.
    See you around, E.

  218. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    So you know. So why hate the Nazis so much for having the cojones to try and take their Country back? Jews controlled even more of Germany then they do the United States now. Soldiers came back from WW1 to find their jobs taken by Jews who hadn’t fought. When the Economy crashed, Jews began to buy up everything – either coming in from elsewhere or getting loans from Jews outside Germany.
    You have it backwards – Still! Nazism was an imitation of Judaism not vice versa. But seriously, not to pick on Jews: everyone is like this, certainly the Chinese. Whites are the ones who are sometimes different. The other races are completely for themselves too. The Gypsies would take over America but they lack the ability. The Jews and the Chinese have great ability – more so than Whites on average. But the main thing is their solidarity. So Whites without principle naturally allie with them to get ahead.
    I know, I know: the Holocaust. But did it really happen? Where are the huge mounds of Ash? Why has the story changed so many times? Why is physical investigation of the Camps forbidden? They are obviously hiding a “big lie”. Sure alot of Jews died – alot of everyone died. But no smoke stacks or gas chambers where ever seen by the Red Cross. Churchill, Eisenhower, De Gaulle – none of them ever mentioned anything about it in their voluminous histories and memoirs. Investigate this as you have 9/11 and you will see the “swiss cheese”.

  219. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    No Christendom, no Renaissance, no Enlightenment, no us.
    No us? What are some other implications? No Crusades? No Inquisition? No enslavement of millions? No Holocaust? No World Wars?
    Persian culture was more elevated than anything the European elite produced in the Renaissance. The seat of Persian culture was in Samarkand and Herat became the center of the Timurid renaissance. This cultural rebirth had a double character; on one hand, there was a renewal of Persian civilization and art (distinguished by extensive adaptations from the Chinese), and on the other, an original national literature in the Turk-Jagatai language. Things were going fine until the uncivilized White Sheep and Uzbeks showed up. And what of Europe in the 1400s? Well, the Roma/Gypsies nomads arrived in Europe in the 1400s, and endured expulsions, forcible removal of children, servitude in galleys or mines, death sentences for being Gypsy, and absolute slavery. The persecution of the Gypsies stemmed from the highest white European authorities in both State and Church. Europe still hasn’t matured to this day. In the 20th century, following the murder of 200,000 to 500,000 Roma in the Holocaust, persecution persists in the 21st century. Persian civilization would have been preferable, IMHO.

  220. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

    Unless we regain some degree of solidarity, we will not be able to hold our own against Peoples who are naturally more ethnically conscious than us. Consider the famous quote from Mazzini. The Nation is the White Man’s refuge against the ethnic bigotry of other people’s.
    http://thinkexist.com/quotation/without_country_you_have_neither_name-token-voice/325281.html

  221. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    In my experience, only Whites criticize their own. We are the Chosen, not Jews, East Asains, South Asians, and of course not Lowly Blacks. We need to protect ourselves against all of these.
    But yes, the 4% Psychopathology is the razor in the candy bar, and the worm in the apple. The enemy within is the deadliest and against this there can only be perpetual vigilance. There may be brain scans that can detect it. It should be investigated.

  222. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Yes, the Red Haired Neanderthals seem to be very important. And they may well have been higher than the later Aryans. It would explain much – such as the Asian genius.
    Glad you are finally begining to admit the absolute idiocy of Negroes.
    Of course I’m “begining” to feel like I’m talking to myself since you don’t respond to the points I make and just keep raving about Aryans, whom you obviously feel inferior to.
    Strange you didn’t mention the Tocharians, the Celtic type people found in Eastern China. The Chinese didn’t want to give access to their mummies since they know how much they contributed to early China. And how the Chinese ultimately defeated them and drove them out and/or absorbed them. These people, like the original Celts, are Arayns with Red, Blonde, or Brown hair with the men over six feet tall. I mean if Arayns were that superior we wouldn’t be going extinct.
    The future of the world is with short, dark, practical guys like you. Aryans conquered everyone and then lost themselves in their subject populations (conquered by dark eyed beauties) – or had their throats cut as in the Americas. They unwisely sought to conquer more than they could digest. Look at the Chinese: when they conquer something it stays conquered. There are almost as many Han Chinese in Tibet now as Tibetans.
    Our epitaph will be that of a brilliant but unbalanced people. We went to the moon but couldn’t love ourselves enough to keep our own Countries for ourselves and to have enough children to replace ourselves.

  223. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    We can also thank Europe for the proliferation of racism. The first scientific taxonomy of humans was created by Carl Linnaeus in the first edition of his Systema Naturae in 1735, when he separated humans into four varieties by skin colour and continent. By 1758, Linnaeus had further defined these groups by temperament — sanguine for Europeans, melancholic for Asians, choleric for Native Americas and phlegmatic for Africans.
    Less than 30 years after Linneaus’s revised taxonomy, Immanuel Kant published his own influential ruminations on human variation in 1785, in which he named, for the first time, the “races” of humanity (Rassen in German) that were defined by skin colour and place of origin. For Kant, races were fixed and immutable. He graded according to his ideas of their talents, with Europeans on top, “yellow Indians” possessing meagre talent, “Negroes” being far below them, and at the lowest point, “Americans”.
    This from the cream of the European crop. Woo, hoo! European “enlightenment”? NOT.

  224. CaptSpaulding April 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    Thanks for the clarification on facism. I appreciate it.

  225. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Its rather a complex era where when either side had the resources they seem not to have bothered. One of the major problems was the need for huge supply lines to feed and arm the armies of both sides. The Parthians had a huge advantage with their cavalry but were heavily outclassed by the roman heavy infantry leading them to adopt a strategy of hit and run where possible. As effective as this tactic is at denying your enemy the chance to consolidate their gains or repair their losses it doesn’t actually gain any ground. A tactic very much in evidence today in Afghanistan.
    The Romans use of cataphract cavalry themselves altered this some. But again the distances involved made prolonged campaigns very expensive. The whole thing never really ceased it just morphed into the Byzantine Sassanid wars. The whole sheebang lasting some 720 years on and off. One of the tempering things was the eastward spread of christianity which left strange pockets of calm throughout the region where both sides lived in relative harmony,despite almost continuous fighting in others. Finally in 627 after alliances with the go-turks Byzantine forces succeeded at the battle of Nineveh.In 629 Hereclius restored Jerusalem to christian control. Both empire were financially broke by then and with the slavs knocking on byzantines borders and then taking most of the balkans occupying any spare resources available. The Persians fared far worse as the Arabs stormed into the area bringing Islam, a far more ruthless doctrine than either of the two old empires, with them. The Sassanid empire was completely destroyed and the old roman empire lost egypt, syria-palastina and the rest of north africa.
    Its an extremely interesting part of history, one largely ignored for the later crusades.

  226. Treeman April 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    Of course you forget to mention that most Roma arrived in Byzantine europe having been driven out by Mahmud of Ghazni who conquered eastern persian lands in the name of Islam. Actually around the 1100’s not the 1400’s. Geonomic studies confirn this.
    Mahmud is the same tyrant that conquered most of Afghanistan (the very country people tell us has never been beaten).
    Islamic pressure in the Balkans drove the Roma further and further west. Out of the frying pan so to speak.

  227. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

    I don’t know of any genomic studies (unless you are referring to Hartl’s work), but Mahmud Ghazni was a schmuck. When Firdausi completed the Shahnama, he dedicated and submitted it to Mahmud Ghazni. Mahmud initially rejected Firdausi’s masterpiece only to appreciate it just before the poet passed away. Story goes that Firdausi was deeply disappointed at the Sultan’s treatment. Firdausi should have received gold, but received silver dirhams instead. He went to a bath house, where he squandered all the silver, returned home, and died on his estate. Later, as his funeral procession entered the back gate of the city, the promised reward entered through the front on the backs of camels dispatched by the contrite Sultan. Of course, it was too late then. I have often wondered why Firdausi’s work was not received well. Maybe it was because of Mahmud’s Turkish origins. Or maybe it was due to Mahmud’s slave origins. Perhaps it was his orthodox Sunni views as opposed to Firdausi’s Shi’i proclivity. Maybe he was just jealous of Firdausi’s poetry. Anyway, I have wandered off topic a bit with your mention of Mahmud Ghazni.

  228. Buck's A Stud April 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Perhaps Vlad, the self-described Irishman, is trying to battle a case of misguided inferiority?
    I don’t know, but the below link makes me wonder:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg

  229. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    I’m a blond haired, blue eyed babe. I hope that shows you bitches what superior race means. And it’s not because I’m white, it’s cause I’m hot.

  230. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Perhaps. But aren’t you a Kant man? Aren’t you disappointed in Kant on race? The combining of folk beliefs about aptitudes and character with physical traits in an authoritative classification (Linnaeus) created the intellectual foundation for racism as we know it.
    From this point, demeaning associations of character, culture and physiognomy could be included in treatises on human variation and be considered scientific rather than as personal and emotional expressions of disgust, discomfort and prejudice.
    Kant was challenged by powerful critics from among his contemporaries, including philosopher Johann Gottfried von Herder and naturalist and anatomist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, but he remained wedded to his definitions.
    For Kant and most theorists that followed, the equation of skin color with character signified that lighter colored races were superior and darker coloured ones inferior, and that members of the latter were destined to serve the former.
    Kant’s ideas about color and character achieved wide and lasting acceptance because his writings were widely circulated, his stature as a philosopher and scholar was great and, for the most part, his audience was naive and had no personal experience with the darkly coloured — mostly African — people whom he disparaged in his writings. And so the “color meme” was born.

  231. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    Like, Carol, I don’t think it’s cool to use profanity so wantonly. You really need to grow up! Just my two scents. I mean, otherwise I really like you. Just sayin.

  232. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

    The English did love their Leprachaun/Ape Fenian cartoons. They later added Paddy blowing himself up too. Then one day the IRA blew up a bunch of them on parade. Another bomb timed a few minutes later blew up the aid workers. The Paddy with a bomb cartoon didn’t appear much after that.
    Violence or the credible threat of it, solves so may things does it not? It is the only way to win respect in International Arenas – which resemble “the street” to an amazing degree.
    You are like the Jungle and need to be cut back with a machete on a regular basis. The color of the marble doesn’t tell us anything? Well how about the features? Here’s 94,000 Busts. Many of them look like Whites you see everyday. Some are better looking than most. Some are different looking I admit. Italy is very diverse genetically. The Celts were there, Latins, Romans, Etruscans, Greeks, Mountain Tribes – pre Aryan, etc. And that’s before the slaves came and later the Arabs.
    Not all the marble was White. And the White was often painted as I told you long ago.
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=roman+busts&qpvt=roman+busts&FORM=IQFRML
    Sinn Fein are Marxists and want to fill Ireland up with Blacks. The Revolution wasn’t worth it ultimately. Both sides are traitors to the White Race. Same with the Scottish Nationalists. There’s nothing but failure everywhere.
    There Are some amazingly primitive Irish types – who look exactly like those cartoons. I’ve seen Jews who look exactly like Nazi cartoons too. A small minority. There are Japs who have the buck teeth of Mr Jap the behated WW2 Cartoon.
    Few of the primitive types came here. Or the dark pre-Ayans either. The Irish who came were mostly the adventerous types – and no race is more adventerous than the Aryan. And that no one can deny.

  233. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    Violence or the credible threat of it, solves so may things does it not?
    LOL! No, violence does not “solve” anything. 5,000 wars in 3,000 years says violence is incapable of solving human problems. Our militaries are good are blowing things up, killing people, and creating enemies for the next war… but violence “solves” nothing.

  234. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

    Numbers USA is a fraud and you damn well know it. I’m standing up right now to you racist bastards. How dare you pretend to be a compassionate person when you systematically put down your brothers and sisters in Zeus when we are all of the same race…the HUMAN RACE, BITCH!

  235. sammyspade April 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Shorter James: Goddammit! I bought gold at the peak!

  236. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

    You hate Jews because they happen to be more successful than you and other whites. Maybe you should take a clue and just shut up. Right about now would be a good time for you to just shut up, collect your pension, and maybe coach a Little League Softball team.
    On second thought, scratch that last suggestion. I fear for what your type might do do little boys in short pants.

  237. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    NumbersUSA is a minority organization and cannot stop the will of the majority. Pew Research polls indicate a solid majority of Americans support immigration reform measures. Calls for reform are coming from both sides of the Congressional aisle.
    The Republican National committee recommended support for comprehensive immigration reform in its March report, Growth and Opportunity Project. March also saw 2016 Republican Presidential-hopeful Rand Paul declare his support during a speech at the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. “Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.”
    The conversation has started and anti-immigrant sentiment is dwindling. The racist nativist agenda of groups like FAIR, NumbersUSA, and their Congressional allies is being pushed increasingly towards the fringe. Every day we are coming closer to seeing reform legislation’s introduction. Predictably, the anti-immigrant movement is making a lot of noise at the moment. Fortunately, it’s being progressively discredited and drowned out.

  238. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

    “Those of you making derogatory comments about the JNWO can expect subtle but methodical, and ultimately severe retribution. You may want to reconsider your beliefs….” -xradar usa-
    So, you can read minds, also?
    And hold on, I’m developing a theme.
    Interesting screenname, btw, xradar – care to explain?

  239. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

    Before I get to that theme.
    I just found this little gemstone, and need to explain:
    “I believe in everything Adequetio says.”
    -“carol”-
    Umm, “carol,” that’s because you ARE asokaAdequetio.
    ========================
    And BTB, CaptainS, and you other “troll patrol” posters – some posts are so bizarre and so telling, that they simply MUST be linked to.
    OK, back to third person address for the troll.

  240. adequatio April 9, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    Umm, “carol,” that’s because you ARE asokaAdequetio.
    ===========
    I don’t believe carol is asoka. But, if you believe this, then stop feeding the trolls!
    Please. Stop responding and they go away. Y’all ignored Asoka and now he is gone (or at least hasn’t posted for some weeks now).
    I thank you. Ozone thanks you. E thanks you. Etc.

  241. lucky 13 April 9, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Omidyar
    Is he Iranian heritage or ‘persian’?

  242. Jam47 April 9, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    The three way clash between the Sassanians, the Byzantines, and the religion-energized Arabs IS a very interesting part of history, and a vital one. If the Sassanians and Byzantines hadn’t weakened each other, the Arab push out of Arabia would have been halted. And that REALLY would have turned in a different direction the history of North Africa, the Fertile Crescent, and Europe.
    Many professional historians dismiss counterfactual history as a waste of time. The proper business of the historian, they say, is to discover WHAT happened and to explain WHY it happened. Rightly said. But if an historian maintains that B was caused by A, it’s fine entertainment, if nothing else, to speculate on what might have happened if A had not occurred in the first place.
    So then, in the spirit of counterfactual inquiry, what if the Arabs had NOT been world conquerors? Some possible outcomes: no reconquista in Spain, no Aristotle to nourish Abelard and Aquinas and the rest of the Scholastics, no feedback of luxury goods from the Crusader Kingdoms since there wouldn’t have been any Levantine Crusades. And the Ottomans, with Islam out of the running, would likely have converted to Christianity and may have made Byzantium the cultural centre of post-Renaissance Christendom, elbowing aside Paris and London and Rome. But then, if the Ottomans weren’t Muslim, Byzantium, Christendom’s eastern citadel, wouldn’t have been a prize.
    All this is really wild, I know. But here’s a more sober and far better informed piece of counterfactualism than mine. The British historian E. H. Carr says that if Lenin hadn’t been enfeebled and then killed by strokes, Russia would have come under his version of communism rather than Stalin’s, and would thereby have been a vastly different place.

  243. Ixnei April 9, 2013 at 8:11 pm #

    “quite shamelessly forthright”
    Haha, how about it. They don’t even show concern any more over flagrant conflicts of interest…
    Proof of Concept:
    ‘In 1996, according to the Washington Post, the biggest upset landslide victory in the U.S. was won by Chuck Hagel. What Hagel failed to mention to the press (or reveal in his required disclosure documents) was that he had up to $5 million invested in, and had been the CEO of, the voting machine company whose machines elected him. Election Systems & Software (then called American Information Systems) was owned by Hagel and a company run by Hagel’s campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy, and the machines counted an estimated 80 percent of Hagel’s votes.’
    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/presskit.html
    Funny how Chucky-Boy ended up a top dog of sorts recently…
    I wonder how long the banksters will get away with their ETF naked shorting of commodities, artificially keeping the *free* digital money printing press inflation at bay.

  244. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    This post has so much “carol” HATE in it that have to reread it to believe it. That’s why I’m linking to the troll, again. Sorry about that.
    “You freaks should not be allowed to breed. Thankfully you won’t be if and/or when we reach stage five. Shit, if you think about it, the kid was doing the world a favor. Now there’s one less of you.”
    -“carol” the hater, advocating genocide-
    This was nothing but a tragedy, dimbulb.
    But it’s also a test for every single person who read “carol’s” hate-filled lines?
    Did you feel any human sympathy for a life tragically ended?
    Did you think about the hours of handgun training that this man completed? And did you have the human sensitivity to understand that sometimes – a tragedy will happen in GODDAM’ second?
    Some of you did have those thoughts, I know.
    Others of you, like “carol” though, took only gleeful note of the fact that it was one of “the despised ones” who was killed.
    To you who think like “carol” it’s just fine when a four year old kills a young wife. Because the young wife was from “Tennessee,” and therefore presumably “white” or “redneck” or something else that is worthy of the Repellent “carol’s” hate.
    You are filth, “carol.”
    If hate is genetic, please die childless.
    =========================================
    On a much more practical note – with some information that may actually help someone.
    I can practically guarantee that the handgun involved in this tragedy was a Glock-style weapon.
    These weapons have a “trigger safety,” only.
    When the shooter puts his finger inside the trigger guard, the safety is at the tip of the trigger. Light pressure on the trigger safety, followed by a simple squeeze of the trigger fires the weapon.
    Glocks tend to be the issue weapon for most cops these days. Lot’s of people like Glocks.
    I hate ’em – for the reasons brought to light by this tragedy. I was trained on Army-issue Colt 45’s, which have redundant safety systems – compared to the Glock, which has only ONE.
    Glocks require a special style holster, to cover the trigger completely. If a Glock is ever dropped (or left untended on a bed for a split second) there is NO safety, or other mechanism, to prevent the discharge of the weapon by anyone who puts his finger on the trigger.
    http://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action
    End of practical handgun safety lesson.
    “carol” remains a hate-filled human being, who should be denounced by all here.

  245. lucky 13 April 9, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    What I’m trying to convey is this this racist enterprise you’ve embarked on is futile.???
    Let Janos post what he will.

  246. Julian C. Lee April 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm #

    Long live the distinct peoples and their nations.
    Long live the White Europeans and their nations.
    Long live Kunstler and walking towns.

  247. Jam47 April 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm #

    I don’t know if you have a taste for the literary biography, but I’m going to recommend one: Jeffrey Meyers’ biography of F. Scott Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald’s life was one of triumph followed by tragedy. The triumphant part gives the tragic part extra weight. Meyers includes all the telling details, and never bores. Moreover, he sketches in the events of the interwar years, so you get a historical picture and a personal one at the same time. Most biographers do this, but Meyers–he’s written about twenty biographies–does a better job of it than most.
    I’m also going to recommend a thriller novel. It takes place in New Mexico in the mid-forties. The background is the Manhattan Project. The main character is an ex-heavyweight boxer named Joe, a Pueblo. One of the secondary characters is Robert Oppenheimer. The novel is “Stallion Gate,” and was written by Martin Cruz Smith of “Gorky Park” fame. The ending is astounding.

  248. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    “NumbersUSA is a minority organization and cannot stop the will of the majority. Pew Research polls indicate a solid majority of Americans support immigration reform measures.”
    -thus spake the Resident Impediment-
    It’s interesting, bustin, that the RI forgets that the rights of minorities are protected, under the US Constitution.
    More interesting is the idea that “a solid majority of Americans support immigration reform measures.”
    Of course they do. You’ve alluded to this manipulation of public opinion.
    50%, for example, want the border secured.
    30%, for example want illegals deported.
    40% want a pathway to citizenship, with what Obama said in the SOTU speech, “illegals at the back of the line.” (paraphrased)
    10%, for example, want an immediate amnesty.
    Therefore, the RI is correct!
    Drumroll!
    130% of Americans “support immigration reform measures.”
    That is one hell of a solid majority, I agree.
    ================
    Meanwhile, bustin, a(nother?) troll speaks:
    “Numbers USA is a fraud and you damn well know it. I’m standing up right now to you racist bastards.” -the Repellent Entity-
    No facts at all.
    Just nasty racist name-calling.
    sigh.

  249. rube-i-con April 9, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

    carolnewquist is asoka of yore, to whom i put out a brotherly south america shout. we of the poor bean peoples.
    i loathe south america, i love south america.
    we have pig on the spit rite now over redhot coals, plus cupim (hump of steer) and maminha (google translate says its ‘titty’ but it’s another cut of beef), plus lots of cold beer. it’s tuesday.
    get that folks. life & living.
    peace peaceniks

  250. progress4conserving April 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    “For instance, I like to argue that the problem is Aristocratic Sociopathy, and that is something which is not endemic to Jewish Aristocracy only, far from it.
    If the Jewish “race” had never existed, would the world be a paradise or would other less accomplished sociopaths, who are roughly 4% of any populace, regardless of race, creed or color have filed the role anyway? My money’s on the latter, human beings being what we are.”
    -hancock, to E5, concerning Beantownbill-
    I was very glad to see you “walk back” your comments to bill a little bit, hancock.
    Bill and I have certainly had our differences.
    And bill has certainly taught me some amazing things – that I wish I had not learned.
    But bill is not a sociopath. For example, bill labeled the guy responsible for this atrocity http://www.susps.org/ , David Gelbaum, an “idiot.”
    Bill’s right. And Gelbaum may be a sociopath.
    Or he may not be looking at the problem of population growth correctly. Nevertheless, Gelbaum is Jewish. And bill is willing to speak out against him.
    If 4% of every population group is sociopathic,
    that means 4% of Jews are sociopathic.
    We’ve got to have the help of the other 96%.
    Otherwise, the sociopaths are unstoppable.
    And the human experiment, likely, ends.
    Because of overpopulation in the US,
    in this example.
    ============================
    By the way, Hancock.
    You name a bunch of problems in almost every post of yours that are COMPLETELY UNSOLVABLE.
    US population growth is a political problem, and completely solvable – at least right now.
    So why don’t you send some NumbersUSA faxes?
    Or do you think that is also under the control
    of the Aristocratic Authoritarian* Overlords?
    *where’s K/Q?

  251. rube-i-con April 9, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    …the cut of meat called maminha…
    One of the best-loved and most common cuts of beef in this meat-mad country is called maminha. In North American terms, it would be part of the round – in particular, part of what is called “bottom round.” This means it is cut from the part of the animal that sits on top of the rear legs. In other words, the hips and rumps.
    my condolences to any vegetarians.
    peace peaceniks

  252. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    Adequetio is most definitely not Carol. Carol is a female and adequetio is a male. Carol does not live in South America and does not live in a mud hut. Just because two loving people care about the world and want to see truth and justice delivered to oppressed people everywhere doesn’t mean they’re the same person. I mean, that’s pretty basic. I cannot believe the immaturity of those posting here, pretending that they are both one and the same person because they are not.
    Really, people, is it THAT difficult to accept that there are two human beings capable of loving the “OTHER”? Maybe you all should take a hint from posters Adequetio and Carol, because they both are caring, loving people. (sigh)

  253. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm #

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. JHK and others continually assert that the sky is falling. They keep predicting dire events like gas prices spiking, grocery stores having empty shelves, people rioting and looting in the streets. I just have to ask myself, “CarolNewquistdotdotdot, honey, where is all of this stuff happening, because it sure as hell isn’t going down under my watch in Kansas City.
    As an interior designer, I get to travel quite a bit. I’ve been to Pomona (California), and Barcelona, and have sometimes seen things a woman really shouldn’t see. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’ve been to paradise but I’ve never been to me.
    I make my living out of designing interior spaces for others to enjoy, but ironically I haven’t spent much time on my own interior spaces, concentrating on what I need to do inside of Carol to nourish and feed my own soul and inner self. Maybe that’s because I’m not a selfish person. Or maybe it’s because I’m still searching for samsara. Whatever it is, I’m still in a search to fully realize what it means to truly be “Carol” in all her magnificent glory.
    I’m hoping that by being part of this community of soul searchers that I will be, not only accepted into the fold, but allowed to realize the fullest extent of what it means to be “Carol”. Your greatest gift to me would be to allow me to express myself in this forum so that I may come to fruition and be everything that a woman can be.

  254. rube-i-con April 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm #

    …come to fruition and be everything that a woman can be.
    stop asserting your trendy ‘womanhood’ (which is nauseous) and assert your humanity to benefit the world.
    you are far too wrapped up in your thoughts of your grandiose self, particularly as a woman.
    the more you empty yourself of carol the more you will become an agent of kindness and compassion and live in a special grace, not needing to ‘find’ yourself anymore.
    peace peaceniks

  255. carolnewquist... April 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

    ok

  256. Beantownbill April 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    Right you are, Procon. I never thought of it your way – about if 4% of the population is in fact sociopathic (although I would question that number unless attributed to a very reliable source. But what difference does a few percent here and there make, anyway), then 4% of Jews are sociopathic as well. To me once you accept that premise and find it reasonable, it isn’t an anti-Semitic statement.
    Lord knows, I’ve met many sociopaths and some of them are indeed Jews.
    Thank you for presenting an interesting idea. Never said any one group is perfect.

  257. Beantownbill April 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    Which moves me to think that most every human being has some amount of the sociopath inside them.

  258. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    Sociopathy is different than just being morally undeveloped – in White Western terms. Jews are very developed in terms of helping their own kind. So are East Asians. Whites are the only Race that has developed a Universal Ethic to any real degree in terms of percentage of the population. But in so doing, we’ve lost our sense of our selves. In fact, I think such folks have merely switched tribes from one based on blood and soil, to one based on Ideology.
    Jews are unique in their strategy of pretending to be universal and guilt tripping Whites into Actually acting that way. But since it wasn’t a natural devlopment but only a guilt trip, it isn’t real or at least not a healthy growth into Maslow’s higher stage.

  259. Janos Skorenzy April 9, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    Sociopaths cannot be cured as far as I’ve ever heard. The Jewish problem is something that can be solved by separation. Jews as a group are implacably opposed to White Ethnic interests and Nations. Here’s a short summary by Kevin MacDonald, one of the greatest living authorities on the Jewish Question, in reference to a letter written to Obama and signed by 100 Jewish groups.
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/jewish-groups-endorse-immigration-amnesty/

  260. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    I didn’t walk back anything, ProgorCons, and I’m amazed you’d read it as such.
    I never supported collective punishment nor said anything even close.
    Nothing I said in my final post contradicts anything I said in my previous posts, that’s only in your imagination and makes me dislike that I even said anything that could be interpreted as such.
    But, hey, if it makes you feel better to think of me as having “walked back” my comments, then enjoy, as Vonnegut said, “the lies which make you happy and healthy and true”.
    Phaugh. Whatever I may think of collective punishment changes not a whit about what I said before.
    E is right, and at the very least the Zionist Aristocracy are, behind the thin veneer of “we are the most ethical because we say so” crap, at the very least a bunch of ruthless operators who remain near or at the center to most of the great evils of our day.
    Just because I have always believed that the poor slobs at the bottom and middle don’t deserve collective punishment for the crimes of the aristocracy, but are invariably the ones who pay, doesn’t mean I walked back a thing.
    Hollywood is poisoning our minds, training us to be the monstrous “manly” Corpzis who will murder (or stand by smugly, Beans-style, while Unethical Inferiors, as he no doubt sees it in his heart, are murdered…like in Palestine, Iraq, and anywhere else Israel wants us to attack economically or conventionally) millions at home and abroad in the not too distant future. Also implanting the New Ethos which E so eloquently described, a shameful recipe for a return to Neofeudalism.
    Wall Street has turned the economy into a pathetic hollow joke, captured our government, and now we proceed right on target to becoming perhaps the greatest evil the world has ever known.
    Well, maybe not the greatest evil, we won’t know for some time yet until the Great Dieoff starts. Come see me, if there’s an afterlife, when it’s well along so we can debate if Corpzi America was the greatest evil the world has ever known, or just plain evil. All other options, at this point, are so unlikely as to be near nil.
    Both these centers of Great Evil are, at the very least, dominated by Zionist Aristocrats and their conscienceless ethos. At the most they are run and controlled by them, quite openly.
    As it is in American politics, and you can see evidence by asking, who was the last President who didn’t have one of the Zionist Consiglieres, Kissinger or Brezinski (not differentiated by goals but by tactics in achieving said goals), setting policy foreign and domestic?
    Wikileaks just released a bunch of old monstrous Kissinger stuff, including this lovely very VERY Zionist quote for dealing with Goyish Cattle, “The illegal we do immediately, the Unconstitutionasl takes a little longer.”
    Don’t believe me? All open secrets now, along with all the rest.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34545.htm
    (also with links to the original wikileaks released documents)
    Gotta go back before LBJ, and that’s a long time to have all the Presidents “mentored” by such known Bad Guys who, coincidentally are Jewish and Zionist. Like most of it, these are open secrets which are verboten to speak of in public in Corpzi America and punishable by law in some places in Europe.
    But all open secrets, staring you right in the face. Like the fact that everything Israel wants, no matter how ludicrous, is routinely passed with greater than 90% approval.
    Consider the “gridlocked” nature of our Congress that only bills like “We love Puppies and Kitties” or “Domestic Violence is Bad” pass with such overwhelming approval.
    Doesn’t that seem odd to you? How the Great Power kowtows routinely to the suppossed Lesser Power, while the supposed Lesser Power does plausibly deniable little or just contemptuous nothing to our requests?
    You find nothing odd about that same script repeating over and over and over?
    How many times does the same script replay before you smell rotten fish?
    I know, a lot more time than the dozens you have already witnessed, because to draw attention to such repetitive inversion of basic common sense would make you, yes you guessed it, a self-loathing anti-semite.
    I walked back NOTHING.
    Fashtay?

  261. WSHancock1864 April 9, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    On the issue of NumbersUSA, immigration is not anymore solvable than the others, because both sides of the Corpzi Dog and Pony Show want it to happen, for both the cheap, docile labor which further undercuts the already negligible power of the American Worker and Consumer (to call us citizens is an insult to citizens everywhere and everywhen).
    You can choose to spend these last even remotely good years (uness some literal miracle happens that reverses these dozen or so long-far-gone-trends) for the bottom 90% of Americans how you like, but I am done titlting at the windmills of Aristocratic Sociopaths and The Sheep Who Asdore Them.
    Waste of time, IMO. The Sheep love their virtual slavery and the aristos, well, they are just gleeful Gods on Earth, waging their economic and drone warfare from the safety of their desks while stealing the last of everything that isn’t nailed down.
    But hey, if I can still occasionally waste half a day here, then you waste all the time you want with NumbersUSA faxes and whatnot.
    Finally, I never said or implied Beans was a sociopath. He just follows them blindly and wholeheartedly defends them, so long as they are Jewish.
    Oh, he’ll toss you the occasional bone like Gelbaum, but you have to understand it’s for plausible deniablility, whether he is self-aware of it or not.
    We all carry the latent fear of being accused of anti-Semitism, which we are pretty much trained to fear, since anyone who dares speak of this publicly, often meets swift reprisals and consequences, no matter how tepid or merited the criticism.
    So maybe I did subconsciously walk my comments back. Old B.F.Skinnerian implanted fears do die hard, which is why they are implanted in the subconscious in the first place.
    That’s all I have to say on that. I’ll try to not speak of Beans anymore unless he decides to be the Moral Arbiter of Us All again and tries to engage me in dialog with his judgemental Zionist nonsense.
    But I will not stop speaking what I perceive to be emprically true, including the obvious corruption, malfeasance and overall ill intent of Aristocracy, including the Zionist Aristocracy.

  262. Buck's A Stud April 10, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    Kant has some very beautiful thoughts that are best understood from the vantage point of Hume’s Fork and Mill’s Utilitarianism. Kant’s ‘transcendental argument’ is akin to Platonic dialectic in that both are seeking to not only understand experience empirically, but also the A-Priori preconditions from which experience emerges. And of course his Categorical Imperative probably rubs a ‘subjectivist’ the wrong way. After all, when one embraces “Always act in a such a way that you can will the maxim of your action as a universal law” then lying becomes impossible. Because if everybody is posing and misrepresenting themselves, nobody would assume anyone was telling the truth and the possibility of lying,if not the intent to deceive, is severely undermined.
    Put another way, a liar is only effective when people assume truth upfront.
    As far as Kant and race even a great man can fail and contradict himself. Specifically, he seems to be deriving his assertions from the empirical outside as opposed to that A-Priori ground of respect for all rational beings that he otherwise championed. And in many ways, his race observations feel more like subjective opinion and taste. After all, for a man like Kant (and other European intellectuals) the villages of Africa provide a stark and telling contrast to the cities of Europe. In other words, he was invoking the Cultural Deficiency Theory long before it was politically incorrect to do so.

  263. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:08 am #

    Bravo, I follow your logic. Just because there are other evil Elites doesn’t make our Evil one any less evil. And the Jews seem to have taken over the Anglo World pretty much and to a lesser extent the whole Western World. The old WASP Elite seem to have more or less allowed them to take the lead, although there were some disenters. But now very little.
    Prog is stuck in Normalcy Bias and wants to fall back into the Consensus Trance of Jews as nice guys and/or victims. Jews have spent an enormous amount of money creating this image.

  264. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:12 am #

    There was a large but crude stone structure in Zimbabwe. White Professors were desperate to assert this as a lost Black Civilization but it turned out to be an Arab Slave Prison. Almost all of Black Civilization has been due to their contact with Caucasian Islam.
    Of course their music is all their own. They’ve always been their own men in that regard.

  265. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:13 am #


    Long live the distinct peoples and their nations.
    Long live the White Europeans and their nations.
    Long live Kunstler and walking towns.

    None of these things exist in reality (except a few walking towns). None of them are important in terms of the Supreme Reality.
    Every people has a mixture and their nations are multicultural and multiracial as they should be in the natural order of things.
    There are no “white” Europeans as thousands of years of interbreeding have seen to it that no pure white race exists.
    In the USA the one-drop rule insures that no one is white. According to the one-drop rule, not only would Plessy count as Black, but so did the woman who, as recently as 1982, was deemed black by a Louisiana court even though she was “31/32nds white.”
    The idea of “one drop,” then, referred to the presence in a person’s ancestral line of one person who was (identified as) black. One drop of “black blood,” construed as one drop of pollution, is all it takes to taint what is supposedly pure whiteness.
    In other words by the one-drop rule Janos/Julian are both legally Black.

  266. Beantownbill April 10, 2013 at 1:14 am #

    You know what I think is ironic and funny? That the anti-Jew filth being spewed is on a blog run by a Jew. Don’t you extreme shitheads have your own blogs to conduct your useless diatribes? What a bunch of shmucks you haters are. Your total lack of originality and parroting of the same old historic bullshit is boring. At least entertain us with something new and creative. I really find you amusing, but yawn-provoking. You can’t do anything about your small dicks, but you can pretend to be mensches at least. I’m ROTFL when I hear your ridiculous rants. You guys think you’re hot shits, but you’re nothing but cold farts warmed over. And too bad you listened to your parents so much. Just because your fathers called you son, you think your bright, but in reality if your brains were dynamite, you’d be as dangerous as a flea.

  267. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:17 am #

    OK, back to third person address for the troll.
    Please. Stop. You are constantly switching back and forth from first to third person, either talking TO or talking ABOUT persons you label.
    Either way, first or third person, is feeding those you consider to be trolls and you do it week after week. It almost seems as if that is your purpose. How is the weather in Arlington?

  268. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:29 am #

    You know what I think is ironic and funny? That the anti-Jew filth being spewed is on a blog run by a Jew.
    I’m glad you think it is funny. I think the rampant antisemitism on CFN is disgusting and disrespectful of our host.
    Jews are (with very few exceptions) wonderful, humane, intelligent people with a great sense of humor. Jewish contributions are too many to count in spite of their being a small percentage of global population. All these claims about how many Jews are in Hollywood, on court benches, in banks, etc. are testaments to Jewish creativity, wisdom, and intelligence. There is absolutely nothing nefarious about Jewish participation in all walks of life.
    I am sorry you have to be subject to such blatant ignorance, BTB, on a forum hosted by a person of Jewish heritage. Antisemitism, and conspiracy theory involving antisemitism, sickens me. We know what such discrimination, “Jew-baiting,” prejudice and hostility towards Jews can lead to.

  269. Eleuthero5 April 10, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    WSH said:
    On the issue of NumbersUSA, immigration is not anymore solvable than the others, because both sides of the Corpzi Dog and Pony Show want it to happen, for both the cheap, DOCILE labor
    *************************************************************
    As a long time teacher of literally THOUSANDS of Indians and Chinese, the docile part is huge. Unlike white workers who expect employers to have a certain humanity, Indians and Chinese over here on H1B work visas are TERRIFIED and, therefore, docile. If you lost a job with an H1B you have to get a new job in a couple of months which is damned near impossible.
    This is the real “New World Order” i.e., make everyone fearful for their survival so that they tolerate conditions that are a throwback to the New York Garment District circa 1920.
    The victim is all of civilization.
    E.

  270. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    Hollywood? Banks? Judges? Keep talking – you’re doing our work for us. They do control the first two and dominate the last and what havoc they have wrought.

  271. Eleuthero5 April 10, 2013 at 1:50 am #

    Your “ode to Jews” is funny because I think even Bill is much more circumspect about his tribe than you are. Even those who’ve criticized the Jewish tribe herein acknowledge that, on average, these are clever and resourceful people. However, the list of Jews running the media (4 or the 5 biggest media companies in the world), technology, and finance where the most malfeasance has occurred is too huge to ignore.
    The shame is that their intelligence (Ashkenazim average 20 IQ points more than Gentiles) is not matched by an equally higher conscience.
    E.

  272. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:51 am #

    Almost all of Black Civilization has been due to their contact with Caucasian Islam.
    Egyptian civilization coalesced around 3150 BC, long before Islam existed. May I remind you Egypt is located in Africa and Egyptians are Black.

    Scientific examination of the remains of Tutankhamun have revealed that the boy king was: 1) significantly dolichocephalic, or long-headed; 2) had enlarged incisors; and 3) had a pronounced alveolar prognathism, resulting in an overbite and a concomitant receding chin. Some people in the fields of forensic criminology and forensic anthropology still believe that these characteristics indicate a Negroid person.

    Hell, North African Egyptians only needed one drop to be Black, if not Nubian Black (Nubians were depicted by Egyptians as having very dark skin).

  273. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 2:02 am #

    Are you sure? I’ve never heard anyone say they average an IQ of 120. Or is the White IQ now lower? Some say 97. The usual figure given for the Jews is 110 to 115.

  274. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 2:05 am #

    Ah, your old stupidity: Africa is Black. All Africans are Black. Well, it’s just not true. Caucasians and Whites have lived in Africa for untold ages. And the Khoisan people even longer. The Negroes have brutalized both them and the Pygmies.

  275. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:17 am #

    E., please check your facts before making statements like “Jews running the media (4 or the 5 biggest media companies in the world)”
    Not one of the major television news operations — Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, or NBC News — is currently headed by a Jewish executive.
    New York Times : Executive Editor Bill Keller is not Jewish.
    Wall Street Journal : The Bancroft family, which controlled the Journal for nearly eight decades until they handed the reins to Murdoch in 2007, isn’t Jewish, nor is current Journal Managing Editor Robert Thomson.
    Los Angeles Times : Current Executive Editor Marcus Brauchli is not Jewish, nor are any of his top 12 editors. The Chandler family, which owned the Los Angeles Times for decades, is not Jewish. Sam Zell, who bought the paper in 2007, is a Jew, but top editor Russ Stanton is not.
    I could go on, but the question I want answered is why the nefarious suggestion that Jews are “running” the media and why the use of words like “clever”?
    Professional journalists have ethics that go beyond narrow cultural/religious identification.
    Why don’t you make similar claims about how “clever” and “resourceful” the Christians are who are “running” Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, or NBC News?
    In terms of entertainment media, if you look only at celebrities, and exclude the men and women behind the camera, none of the top 20 people on the Forbes Celebrity 100 is Jewish Is it a Christian plot?
    But what if is true that Jews who “control” or “run” some segment of the media are a majority? What are you implying?
    Why don’t you make similar assertions about Christian “control” of other sectors of society and how “resourceful” Christians are?
    What is your point exactly?
    Your prejudice, your racism and your antisemitism and your disregard for data are all disgusting.

  276. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:39 am #

    Caucasians and Whites have lived in Africa for untold ages.
    LOL! Nice straw man you knocked down. No racial purity exists though among the “Caucasians” and “Whites” although by law they reversed the one drop rule to say Afrikaners were white even though studies have shown the average Afrikaner has 5% to 7% non-white genes.

    Even if a white family was found to have non-white ancestry, despite social dissapproval, that family was still white by law. An example of which, was the case of Sandra Laing. Both her biological parents were white. But she was born with brown skin and frizzly hair, although the rest of her features were European. DNA tests proved that Abraham Laing (the white father) was the biological father of Sandra Laing. The Laing’s ran into trouble when they tried to register her for school, and the government threatened to have the child reclassified as Coloured and separated from the parents. Although Sandra Laing was to be reclassified, her parents were still unquestionably white by law. And because of Sandra Laing, in 1967 a new law was passed, which stated that a child of two white parents was White. In her case, that shows a few Afrikaners had significant levels of non-white ancestry. Although as studies show, the average Afrikaner is 5-7% non-white. Sandra Laing’s parents were amongst the few that had as much as 20% non-white genes, even though they and her brothers look completely white. Today Sandra Laing’s brothers do not speak to her, and refuse to embrace their undeniable African heritage

  277. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:59 am #

    Judaism was invented by Abraham 4,000 years ago. Christianity was invented by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago. Islam was invented by the Prophet Muhammad 1,400 years ago. Prior to 4,000 years ago there was no Judaism, Christianity or Islam and hence the ancestors of every person on Earth were Pagans. Why am I not reading on CFN about Pagan conspiracy, or the racial lineage of Pagans? We all came from Pagans. I embrace my Pagan heritage.

  278. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 3:04 am #

    Before you call it filth and us names, you have to refute it. Of course as E said, you automatically assume a position of moral superiority to an absurd degree. You actually believe in your heart that Jews can do no wrong, not when it comes to other people. That makes you a monster btw.
    As for the Blog, so what? Maybe it’s Karma. Jews have taken over huge swaths of our Civilization and you have to accept there’s going to be some push back. I mean does it bother you that at Harvard, an Institution founded by White Christains for White Christians, Whites are now the least represented of any ethnic group? And do you know who is the most over represented? The Jews. Do you really think that is a coincidence? And do you think that discrimination against Whites is fair?

  279. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 3:05 am #

    Invented? You are grotesque.

  280. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:12 am #

    “Consider a recent column by Christopher Hitchens, who has called “for Jon Stewart and others to join me in calling for Rick Sanchez’s reinstatement.” Then listen to what he says: “If it then didn’t happen, it would help us to understand who really pulls the strings around here.” Who do you suppose he means by “who really pulls the strings?” The “Jews” who control the media? That certainly appears to be the implication. What is he suggesting? That Jews actually get together to decide who gets fired and hired? Or maybe they don’t even have to get together, because they all think alike.
    Hitchens knows enough individual Jews in the media to realize that “two Jews, three opinions” is a far more accurate characterization than some conspiratorial group-think by the Elders of Zion.
    So let’s stop all this nonsense about Jewish control over the media and praise those individual Jews who, by dint of hard work and talent, have earned their place, as individuals, in so many areas of American life. I always thought that was the American dream.”
    — Alan Dershowitz, Do Jews Control the Media?

  281. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:32 am #

    Yes, invented. Religions are invented by human beings as a kind of tool to control people.
    For example, adultery is considered to be unethical in many cultures, but is not illegal in secular societies. In Christianity adultery is considered an evil, and many children are told from a young age that such an act can cause them to go to hell (a contrived, invented, imaginary hell). This is a clear method of control.
    INVENT
    1. To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination.

  282. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 3:56 am #

    Dershowitz pulled strings and got Norman Finkelstein to be denied tenure. He’s also in favor of torture. Nice hero you have there.

  283. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 4:24 am #

    Nice red herring and ad hominem, ignoring the substance and changing the subject, instead of responding to the arguments made concerning media.
    I will let William F. Buckley, Jr. (may he rest in peace) speak of white American/European “civilization” and its antisemitism:
    In respect of American Jews, the sensitivity is of an extremely high order, and for the best of reasons. The toniest “liberal” universities in America would not, until about the time Joe Sobran was born, give tenure to Jewish professors. To elect a Jewish student to most social fraternities was quite simply unthinkable a generation ago. The designation of Jews as mortal enemies of civilization by the same European power that had given us Bach and Goethe, Kant and Einstein, reminded the Jews (those Jews who survived) that no society, however civilized its pedigree, can complacently be trusted to desist from the most ferocious human activity: genocide.

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  285. Treeman April 10, 2013 at 5:59 am #

    Good post. It is something perhaps we should discuss further as time permits. Sadly back to work for me for a few days now, we are trying to get all the woodland cutting done before spring bursts forth here. Its been a lousy winter and we are well behind.

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  288. Eleuthero5 April 10, 2013 at 6:43 am #

    You obviously have no idea what the biggest MEDIA companies in the world are. When you are ignorant, you should shut the fuck up. You never do.
    E.

  289. Eleuthero5 April 10, 2013 at 6:52 am #

    Hey Ass Soaker, read this from theunjustmedia.com
    ***************************************************************Six Jewish Companies Control 96% Of The World’s Media
    The power of lies, deceptions and disinformation as Americans pay the price of collective stupidity.
    “You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache
    Facts of Jewish Media Control
    The largest media conglomerate today is Walt Disney Company, whose chairman and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew. The Disney Empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a “control freak”, includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television), its own cable network with 14 million subscribers, and two video production companies. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Picture Group, headed by Joe Roth (also a Jew), includes Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Weinstein brothers. When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome, family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, under Eisner, the company has expanded into the production of graphic sex and violence. In addition, it has 225 affiliated stations in the United States and is part owner of several European TV companies. ABC’s cable subsidiary, ESPN, is headed by president and CEO Steven Bornstein, a Jew.
    This corporation also has a controlling share of Lifetime Television and the Arts & Entertainment Network cable companies. ABC Radio Network owns eleven AM and ten FM stations, again in major cities such as New York, Washington, Los Angeles, and has over 3,400 affiliates. Although primarily a telecommunications company, Capital Cities/ABC earned over $1 billion in publishing in 1994. It owns seven daily newspapers, Fairchild Publications, Chilton Publications, and the Diversified Publishing Group. Time Warner, Inc, is the second of the international media leviathans.
    The chairman of the board and CEO, Gerald Levin, is a Jew. Time Warner’s subsidiary HBO is the country’s largest pay-TV cable network. Warner Music is by far the world’s largest record company, with 50 labels, the biggest of which is Warner Brothers Records, headed by Danny Goldberg. Stuart Hersch is president of Warnervision, Warner Music’s video production unit. Goldberg and Hersch are Jews. Warner Music was an early promoter of “gangsta rap.” Through its involvement with Interscope Records, it helped popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio) and publishing. Time Warner’s publishing division (editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew) is the largest magazine publisher in the country (Time, Sports Illustrated, People, Fortune).
    When Ted Turner, a Gentile, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in media boardrooms across the nation. Turner made a fortune in advertising and then had built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN. Although Turner employed a number of Jews in key executive positions in CNN and had never taken public positions contrary to Jewish interests, he is a man with a large ego and a strong personality and was regarded by Chairman William Paley (real name Palinsky, a Jew) and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.
    To block Turner’s bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a “friendly” takeover of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin’s Time Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over major deals. Viacom, Inc, headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew, is the third largest megamedia corporation in the country, with revenues of over $10 billion a year. Viacom, which produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 12 television stations and 12 radio stations. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing. Its publishing division includes Prentice Hall, Simon & Schuster, and Pocket Books.
    It distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster stores. Viacom’s chief claim to fame, however, is as the world’s largest provider of cable programming, through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, and other networks. Since 1989, MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the younger television audience. With the top three, and by far the largest, media companies in the hand of Jews, it is difficult to believe that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on their part. What about the other big media companies? Number four on the list is Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, which owns Fox Television and 20th Century Fox Films. Murdoch is a Gentile, but Peter Chermin, who heads Murdoch’s film studio and also oversees his TV production, is a Jew. Number five is the Japanese Sony Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by Michael Schulhof, a Jew. Alan Levine, another Jew, heads the Sony Pictures division. Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by Jews. For example, New World Entertainment, proclaimed by one media analyst as “the premiere independent TV program producer in the United States,” is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew. The best known of the smaller media companies, Dreamworks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair.
    Dream Works was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd. The president and CEO of Seagram, the liquor giant, is Edgar Bronfman Jr., who is also president of the World Jewish Congress. It is well known that Jews have controlled the production and distribution of films since the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century.
    This is still the case today. Films produced by just the five largest motion picture companies mentioned above-Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom), and Universal (Seagram)-accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office receipts for the first eight months of 1995. The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson, CBS first by William Paley and then by Lawrence Tisch, and NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert. Over periods of several decades, these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong. As noted, ABC is part of Eisner’s Disney Company, and the executive producers of ABC’s news programs are all Jews: Victor Neufeld (20-20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan (World News Tonight). CBS was recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Nevertheless, the man appointed by Lawrence Tisch, Eric Ober, remains president of CBS News, and Ober is a Jew. At NBC, now owned by General Electric, NBC News president Andrew Lack is a Jew, as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today), Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).
    The Print Media After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. Sixty million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,500 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against Jewish control and distortion. However, this is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of our interests than a casual observer would think.
    The days when most cities and even towns had several independently owned newspapers published by local people with close ties to the community are gone. Today, most “local” newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or ever thousands of miles away. The fact is that only about 25 per cent of the country’s 1,500 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest depend on these few for all of their national and international news. The Newhouse empire of Jewish brothers Samuel and Donald Newhouse provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America’s daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip.
    The Newhouses own 26 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation’s largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the country’s largest cable networks; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Madmoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride’s, Gentlemen’s Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group.
    This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was in large degree made possible by the fact that newspapers are not supported by their subscribers, but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue–not the small change collected from a newspaper’s readers–that largely pays the editor’s salary and yields the owner’s profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the 20th century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers–primarily as a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants. Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.
    Three Jewish Newspapers
    The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America’s newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation’s three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America’s financial and political capitals, are the newspapers which set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what isn’t, at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it, and all three newspapers are in Jewish hands. The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones’s estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-grandson, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper’s current publisher and CEO. The executive editor is Max Frankel, and the managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld.
    Both of the latter are also Jews. The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe; twelve magazines, including McCall’s and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each; seven radio and TV broadcasting stations; a cable-TV system; and three book publishing companies. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines. Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its “leaks” throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.
    The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John McLean, and later inherited by Edward McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier. The Washington Post is now run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer’s daughter. She is the principal stockholder and the board chairman of the Washington Post Co.
    In 1979, she appointed her son Donald publisher of the paper. He now also holds the posts of president and CEO of the Washington Post Co. The Washington Post Co. has a number of other media holdings in newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation’s number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek. The Wall Street Journal, which sells 1.8 million copies each weekday, is the nation’s largest-circulation daily newspaper. It is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation which also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron’s, among other things. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal. Most of New York’s other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. The New York Daily News is owned by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of the Hartz Mountain pet supply firm.
    Other Mass Media
    The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any note published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News and World Report. Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a susidiary of Time Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham.
    Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million. U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.3 million, is owned and published by Mortimer Zuckerman, a Jew. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York’s tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country. Among the giant book-publishing conglomerates, the situation is also Jewish. Three of the six largest book publishers in the U.S., according to Publisher’s Weekly, are owned or controlled by Jews. The three are first-place Random House (with its many subsidiaries, including Crown Publishing Group), third-place Simon & Schuster, and sixth-place Time Warner Trade Group (including Warner Books and Little, Brown). Another publisher of special significance is Western Publishing. Although it ranks only 13th in size among all U.S. publishers, it ranks first among publishers of children’s books, with more than 50 percent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder, a Jew, who just replaced Richard Bernstein, also a Jew.
    The Effect Of Jewish Control Of The Media
    These are the facts of Jewish media control in America. Anyone willing to spend several hours in a large library can verify their accuracy. I hope that these facts are disturbing to you, to say the least. Should any minority be allowed to wield such awesome power? Certainly, not and allowing a people with beliefs such as expressed in the Talmud, to determine what we get to read or watch in effect gives this small minority the power to mold our minds to suit their own Talmudic interests, interests which as we have demonstrated are diametrically opposed to the interests of our people. By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media, we are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by their parents, their schools, or any other influence.

  290. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    Jesus Christ, you asshole, have you ever heard of the blockquote tag and including a link and a snippet rather than pasting the entire piece opf garbage infamously referred to as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
    Some days when I visit this den of iniquity, I tell myself “this can’t be real, it must be some kind of mindfuck because surely people like this can’t and don’t exist.” But the horrible truth, if there is such a thing, is that people like you all do exist. You’re the glue that’s held this slap-dashed and currently imploding system called civilization together for twelve thousand years. Your time is almost up. A new day is about to dawn, or is it? Sometimes I wonder.
    As we speak, the family and the toymaker are making amends. What once was a renegade project to gather the minds of the established order, has now been bridled and will be used to bring those minds back into the fold. Is it too late? Have too many seedlings been scattered to the winds to sprout in unidentifiable locations? Let’s hope so.
    The Creative Ones have always been more intelligent than the Watchdogs, slipping their world-shattering ideas past the censors. Their collective work is likened to that of a shape-shifter or chameleon, so skilled and clever are their creations. Where their numbers were once few, now they are many, and it may well be beyond the toymaker’s grasp now. We shall see. Only time will tell, as it always does. Or does it?

  291. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    That is an excellent quote from Buckley, adequatio, not only for what it explicitly asserts, but for what it doesn’t say, but rather implies.
    I’ve been looking for those historical touch points where a nexus was formed between right wing fascists and Jews in America (and Israel), and I believe this is one such touch point. Buckley, appropriately you must admit, was the one to articulate the olive branch in fomenting this disingenuous union of heretofore polar opposites. It’s not an olive branch though, is it? No, it’s a serpent disguised as one, and Jews would be well-advised to use their unacknowledged senses to see it for what it really is. They’re being used. Once again. I know some think they can dance with this devil and control the ultimate outcome, but it never works that way. When you dance too long, you’re overcome, such are the devil’s powers to confuse and disorient. Before you know it, you are the devil, or in the least, its handmaiden to be sacrificed on one its many alters when the zeitgeist is right.

  292. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    Ah, but “they” always have a loophole for their actions, adequatio. You should know that. It’s also referred to as a caveat, and can often be preceded by words like “that being said.”
    In this case, the caveat is, inventions to control human potential is acceptable, nay necessary, so long as it’s done with “noble intent.” And of course, “they” define what is noble and whether or not something is intended as such.
    Isn’t this a great game?
    It is, but it’s almost Game Over.

  293. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    are, not “is.”

  294. ozone April 10, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    Okay then,
    Since it seems that we must ride this worn-out horse to death and then beat the crap out of its’ lifeless remains, I ask what might be a cogent question. (MIGHT be, I said. ;o)
    What makes a sociopath who pretends to derive his direction in life (justification from “on high”) from the words of the Talmud any different from a WASP sociopath who pretends to derive his direction in life (justification from “on high”) from the Christian New Testament? (Keep applying your faux religious “covers” here until you’ve included every group and stripe.)
    And why wouldn’t these assholes be in collusion anyway (differing faces, taking turns defining the same scum)?
    Control? To be in “control” of the amoral demise of most life on earth is not a fine epitaph.
    A sociopathic asshole is a sociopathic asshole, and they tolerate each other as long as the bennies keep rolling in. When that stops, then they eat each other, and that’s the time you can tell a great suffering [for the broken masses] is about to commence.
    Our enemies have a common trait, not a common ancestry. Sorry, I’m not buying the premise that one certain geographically defined people can be blamed for this phenomena, as a whole.

  295. ozone April 10, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    An observer would like to tell you about “one of them”.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34556.htm
    …And furthered her political career with cold-blooded calculation into war. Some characteristics never change and lumpen fools still fall for the advertising/framing.
    Those who eulogize her in glowing terms obviously approve of the path she trod. (Yes, why shouldn’t we have our very own watch-list?)

  296. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    I agree with all of what you said, however (there’s always a however” no?) given the realities laid out, again which are open secerets and undeniable, there is no doubt that, conspiracy or no, the Zionist Aristocracy is the primary driver of modern Western aristocratic sociopathy, from it’s bases of immeasurable power in DC, NYC, City of London (not to be confused with London) and LA, again more obvious by the day as we approach the Endgame of 9/11 #2, WWIII and the Great Dieoff because the closer we get, the less need to hide it.
    It doesn’t matter if there’s a globe-spanning conspiracy or none whatsoever – the analysis is the same.
    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that there is no globe-spanning conspiracy, not even a whiff of one, but just the confluence of common-interests among aristocratic sociopaths but also that, as per “natural law” the most accomplished sociopaths, statistically, rise to the top.
    What do we non-sociopathic bottom 96% (or 98% of all people, since half the sociopaths are in jail, essentially for the crime of poverty and lack of self-control and the other 2% run and hench for every society that ever was), with brief exceptions?
    What do we do? What is the answer?
    It’s a question that doesn’t have an answer, or for which the only answers currently about (general expulsion, banning people of a certain background from certain professions, and worse) are not just collective punishment, unworkable and unfair, but if there is anything left of The American Ideal as laid out by those imperfect, slaveholding, yet apparently little influenced by sociopathy Founding Fathers, the implementation of said ideas would destroy it.
    I dislike questions that have no answers, but where humanity is concerned that’s the conclusion one often finds, usually induced by the discovery of head-on-highway-bus-crash-sized paradoxes.
    Geez, if this benighted species of ours could only go extinct as quickly as possible, maybe our ol’ Mother Earth, middle-aged as she is, will have enough time to recover environmental conditions necessary to evolve another sentient species, perhaps a bit more viable for long-term survival and even extra-platentary colonization.

  297. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 11:53 am #

    Isn’t it just plain creepy how, in this new incarnation, Soake’s various identities have such a higher amount of interplay and conversation with himself.
    DoD must have sent a memo about that and how it lends additional verisimiltude for the unwary.
    As you said before, it reeks of planning and desperation.
    But you know, as the Event Horizon is getting so very close, one can liken it to a death struggle in which the victims fights furiously in the moments just before death, while the perp knows that it doesn’t matter how they hold on but just that they hold on for just a bit longer, then it’s all over.
    A metaphor for the Gods on Earth, their very wealthy henchmen (who may not be sociopathic themselves, but who have been trained to behave almost indistinguishably from said same), against the rest of us.
    Great Dieoff and a reurn to Feudalism, here we come!

  298. ozone April 10, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    What’s to be done?
    I don’t know!! A more nimble mind than mine will have to mull that over.
    In my [admittedly rutted] mind, curtailing and segregating these personalities from their ambitions would be the finest of serving both the common good and a serious punishment. How does one do that “humanely” or “practically”, or is the overarching threat of an ultimate violence the only discouragement?
    (Looks like, “I don’t know!!”, doesn’t it?)

  299. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

    What do we do? What is the answer? It’s a question that doesn’t have an answer…
    I agree 100%. Thanks for your honesty.
    Now if only Eleuthero would answer the same question. Suppose Jews control everything (that would not be a bad thing in my opinion, but apparently it bothers Eleuthero), what would Eleuthero do? Exactly nothing. Nothing can be done or should be done because Jews have a right to own or work for as many companies as they please, and Jews do a better job because of their creativity, intelligence, and humaneness. Jews are not proselytizers. They are not trying to convert anyone to Judaism. (Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent.) There is no problem, therefore there is no “answer” and there is no need to “do” anything.

  300. ComradeDystopia April 10, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Last nite the presses were down for awhile so I got a chance to read 4 or 5 newspapers. I kind of scan them for articles and editorials about oil, natgas, energy etc. I have to tell you, they’re all reading from the same playbook. I won’t get specific, not enough time, but the overwhelming consensus is that our energy problems have been solved; enough natural gas to last 200 years, net oil exporter by 2020, largest oil producer in the world by then, NY State powered up completely by wind and solar by 2025, great new oil strikes in the Arctic, Gulf of Mexico, off the coast of Brazil, exporter of natgas to Europe … that’s just for starters. All in all, collectively, the business media is painting a pretty rosy picture. Is it just to keep the the stock market party going awhile longer? Or is there truth in what they’re saying? I don’t know enough to make an accurate assessment of these claims.
    –CD

  301. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    April 15 approaches. The weather is wonderful in Arlington. I want to thank all of you for paying your taxes. (wink, wink)
    I am beginning to think there is a conspiracy after all. Have you noticed how many people are left-handed, and how many of them work in the Media? What do we do? What is the answer? It’s a question that doesn’t have an answer…

  302. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    “The poorest and least-skilled in America suffer the most from legal and illegal immigration as competition for jobs reduces wages, according to a new report by a leading immigration economist.
    Harvard economist George Borjas…”
    http://freebeacon.com/trickle-down-immigration/
    So, yeah, all of our asokadaquatio/carol(s) blather about standing for the rights of the less fortunate is revealed as delusional or sociopathic lying.
    And BTW, beans and others – I found out that the term “sociopath” is no longer in the APA lexicon, having been replaced by “antisocial personality disorder,”
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829 but our main points regarding the rule of humanity (and our corner, the US) remains intact.
    If you want to find evidence of ASPD, begin by looking at those who wish to increase the population of the United States. Some are racist advocates for their “own” groups. Some are followers. But, as we see on CFN, anti-social tendencies can DEFINITELY be found among the pro-growth apologists and/or “leaders.”

  303. ozone April 10, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    I agree with your distillation.
    I wonder if they understand just what it is they’re bringing about. Do you think they envision how “messy” this upheaval is going to get? (The more I see, the less I know the ‘why’ of it. “I see crazy persons.”)
    Oh well, not too much we can do about it as the diametric opposite of “movers and shakers”.
    Aaaaaaand… they’re off!

  304. ComradeDystopia April 10, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Pubs were WSJ, Barrons, IBD, Financial Times of London, Hartford Courant and NYPost.
    –CD

  305. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    You’ll appreciate this anecdote, E.
    Early last December (it will become clear how I can specifically remember the exact time frame of this conversation) I was having a conversation with some Goy friends and it drifted to this uncomfortable topic.
    They, of course, were trying to disabuse me of my ideas (less ideas than a simple pyramiding of facts) and arguing the impossibility of strong Zionist political and media influence, or perhaps even outright control.
    Among other things, I pointed out the basic common sense incongruity of the relationship of America and Israel (i.e. how come it is that we fund them $3 billion a year, and can’t get them to do a single thing we ask them to do, yet when they ask us for something, it sails swiftly through Congress with 90 or more – usually more – percent yea votes).
    Finally at some point in the conversation, my friend’s wife, a very intelligent, accomplished lady said, “You know, I recently read a book that said that yes, while Jews do own most all of the Hollywood moviemaking appartus. that’s all it is. In regular TV and the news, they have little influence.”
    “Ummm,” I replied, “you do know that CNN just appointed a new president, Jeff Zucker, a few days ago.”
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/us/jeff-zucker-cnn-president
    Uncomfortable silence. Conversation over.
    I had a choice, I could press on listing the facts your article lays out (although the use of the term “Jewess” is pretty offensive and thus weakens the ovrall stature of the article) or I could just allow the uncomfortable silence to let the subject drop, so we could have a pleasant rest of the evening unencumbered by “the heavy stuff”.
    I chose the latter.
    I understand that the idea she espoused that was given to her to espouse (intelligence is no guaranteed defense against propaganda) is classic sociopathic defensive propaganda strategy.
    When a sociopath (or group of sociopaths) is getting nearer to being exposed, a smart, desperate sociopath will admit to a PORTION of the truth in order to protect the WHOLE truth from being exposed.
    I’ve seen it in action on both the large and small scales. It’s fiendishly clever, usually successful and there’s no way to answer it except with facts, which as we know convince NO ONE but a few statistical outlying weirdos.
    You want to convince someone of something…SELL THEM!
    ABC (ALWAYS BE CLOSING!)
    AIDA (ATTENTION INTEREST DECISION ACTION!)
    Kind of strange, me knowing these things and being unwilling and mostly unable to use them.(damned conscience!)
    Life’s full of paradoxes.

  306. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    BTW, there’s a huge rally in favor of immigration “reform,” on the Capitol lawn this afternoon.
    The irony is almost too much for words.
    ILLEGAL immigrants from all over the US (and their apologists and racist fellow-travelers) are being BUSSED IN AT SOMEONE ELES’S EXPENSE – to tell our LEGALLY elected leaders that lawbreakers MUST be rewarded.
    amazing.
    Today would be a great day for anyone who understands “peak everything” as it relates to the environment of the US to call their Senators and tell them to STOP the amnesty.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/phones?ID=50524186776
    Be sure to mention how folks like asokadequatio lie and twist the truth – to the detriment of lower income and minority native born Americans.
    If you wait a little while – I’m sure one of our pro-growth trolls will give a little demonstration of how this lying and twisting works, by attacking yours truly.
    wait. for. it.

  307. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    Who owns the newspapers you are reading? Left-handers? Who owns your newspaper? Left-handers? Are you left-handed? Comrade, why are you passing on the cornucopia left-handed Media message?
    What do we do? What is the answer?
    April 15 approaches. The weather is wonderful in Arlington. I want to thank all of you for paying your taxes. (wink, wink)

  308. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    I have to tell you, they’re all reading from the same playbook.

    Or is there truth in what they’re saying? I don’t know enough to make an accurate assessment of these claims.

    Yes you do.

  309. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    Since Jews control so much and have so much influence, and since Hancock says Israel gets $3 Billion from the USA, explain this:
    In February 2003 Congress voted to cut aid to Israel against the wishes of the pro-Israel lobby and the government of Israel. The lobby and government also suffered a defeat when Congress deleted an administration request for an extra $200 million to help Israel fight terrorism. How could this happen? Is there no Jewish conspiracy after all?
    FACT: U.S. economic grants to Israel ended in 1959. U.S. aid to Israel from then until 1985 consisted largely of loans, which Israel repaid, and surplus commodities, which Israel bought.
    Is that anyway to run a conspiracy?

  310. Rhino April 10, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    Hoo boy. You say no race is more adventurous than the Aryan.
    Except maybe the Polynesian.
    What have I read on the issue? Let’s see, a few tens of thousands of years ago people in canoes started migrating from Taiwan. Or possibly southern China. Or maybe both. Anyway, they made it to the Solomon Islands by about 30,000 years ago. And then sat there for a long time.
    Then these Polynesians invented the outrigger canoe about 3,000 years ago, travelled to Madagascar in the west and all across the Pacific in the east and made it to South America where some genetic studies detected DNA markers from Polynesians, where Polynesians picked up yams, brought them to the Pacific islands along with Amerindian mates because one study that I read found some genetic signals in some Pacific island characteristic of Amerindians.
    Or maybe the ancestors of modern Amerindians were more adventurous. You know, those people who walked across the Beringian land bridge some 15,000 – 20,000 years ago and then (according to the latest theories/acheological/genetic findings) made their way down the west coast of Ice Age America all the way down to Patagonia.
    I can’t remember so remind me: what were “Aryans” doing 3,000 years ago?
    Actually, there’s a school of thought with a fair number of adherents that would have it that “Aryans” (or IndoEuropeans) originated in Anatolia cheek by jowl with proto Semitic peoples around 9,000 years ago. And, having developed farming techniques, started to migrate hither and yon, mile by mile, generation by generation, spreading their IndoEuropean languages and farming technology into various places like Iran, Afghanistan. And migrated into Europe along the Mediterranean and into European river valleys into northern and central Europe.
    “Aryan”, you can say, is not so much a racial construct as it is a linguistic and cultural and technological construct that didn’t have its origins in the north with the tall, blond, blue eyed tribesmen of fantastical Nazi racial theories but rather in south-western Asia/Asia Minor. Mind you, it’s not the only theory out there. Some think that IndoEuropeans as a linguistic group have their origins in Ice Age peoples on the fringes of Europe in ice free refugia who then re-populated Europe as the ice melted. Others think that this gang had its origins on the steppes just north of the Black Sea. What do I think? I think the evidence points to origins around the Black Sea whether its north or south. Maybe it’s both. The theory of linguistic and cultural diffusion with agricultural migration sounds good to me. But, as with all science, it awaits more evidence provided by linguistics, archeology, genetics.

  311. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Another of the fallen on the neurolinguistic battlefield!
    Again, this is yet another script that has been utilized so often it is worn out…except to 99.9% of the American Subject Populace.
    You do understand by this reframing, the power of the word “sociopath” is disarmed and neutered.
    Sociopaths are pretty much by the book definition of monsters because they have no empathy and can only simulate emotions, true friendships, simple decency, etc.
    But someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder, now that doesn’t sound too bad, does it? Say the acronym, ASPD and it almost sounds benign, certainly no worse that the common cold.
    Phaugh. You’ll never free yourself of your mental chains until you stop viewing them as feather boas and playing along how the “authorities” want you to play.
    Yes, it’s scary, going it on your own. But even now, I would rather go my own way than march with the lemmings over the now decades-close cliff.
    Oh, and by the way, we’ve neglected one very important part of Aristocratic Sociopathic Control of we Useless Eater Peasants…all things psychiatric and psychologic, from mass and behavioral to advertising and PR…plus all of it in between.
    (yes, like the rest of the legs of control, psychiatry does provide som legitimate benefits and help to people in need of it, but that’s just the sugary coating of the “poison pill” so you’ll easily swallow it)
    Our Corpzi State High Priests and who through it’s power both implied and explicit (ask yourself, at this moment, how many peasants are in some court-ordered process where the sole approval of psychiatry is necessary for them to “finish the program” or “exit the ‘justice’ system – probably millions – look it up yourself) exercise another leg of Societal Control or Telling The Rest of Us What To Think Because They Are The Most Ethical Because They Say So.
    So you speak how you are told, you stop using the word ‘sociopath’, which means, whether you like or not, you will THINK and FRAME things as you are told.
    Good boy. Here’s a Scooby Snack.
    No discrimination against ASPD sufferers!
    Sounds purty good when you say it like that, doesn’t it? It sure does.
    Finally, yet another coincidence: which people invented most aspects of original and modern psychiatry, the underlying aspects of advertising, PR and other mental chains imposed?
    Which people, coincidentally, are the primary drivers in writing the new DSM manual. Look it up yourself.
    Yet ANOTHER two coin tosses coming up heads! Nothing to see here, lest you be declared mentally unbalanced by the High Priests of the Corpzi State.
    Wups, must be a self-loathing anti-Semite for bringing that up!

  312. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    More nimble mind here. What is the difference between the Talmud and the New Testament? Incredible that someone could ask that. One proposes a Univeral Ethic and the other one of genocide. One was written by Saints and the other by Ethnic Supremacists. Now to the crux of your question: sure the New Testament could be distorted by Sociopaths but it isn’t sociopathic by nature and thus the Sociopaths can be checked. Not so the Koran or Talmud – but the work of extreme bigots with lots of room for Sociopaths to do their work.
    What to do? Adopt Fascism, the Philosophy of the Nation under attack. Close the borders. Affirm our White Identity, glorify our history. Begin the process of enticing Non Whites to leave. Enough with the sneakiness. We have to come out and affirm ourselves. To quote Hillel: If we are not for ourselves, who will be?

  313. Rhino April 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    Absolute idiocy of the Negro? Who says? I didn’t. Maybe you did. Based on what? Their present-day condition?
    Look back in time. Was the condition of northern Europeans any better two thousand years ago than people in subsaharan Africa? No? So do you then concede the absolute idiocy of Northern Europeans?
    Are you prepared to concede that Polynesians were/are racially superior to Northern Europeans by virtue of their astounding seafaring exploits in the Pacific and elsewhere as compared to contemporaneous Northern Europeans?
    I mean, Germanic tribes were trampled by the Huns, had the advances of Graeco-Roman civilization handed to them on a platter and then plunged Europe into a thousand years of poverty and degradation. And when Europe did recover, where did the Renaissance take root? In the north where the allegedly superior people dwelt? Nope, in the south.
    You might want to check your watch. What do you see? The clock ticking. It doesn’t stop. As I said in other posts, times change. And whoever is at the top of the heap now and so has fantasies of his superiority might want to enjoy the exalted status while it lasts. Because it never does.

  314. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    OK, Eleuthero has established that da-joos are in charge of ideas and images. But are they in charge of guns and bullets?
    John Desantis, President & General Manager at Bushmaster Firearms LLC. Could be an Italian Jew?
    Walter McLallen, Chairman of Marlin Firearms. Could be a Scottish Jew?
    C. Michael Jacobi, Chairman of Sturm, Ruger, & Co. Could be German Jewish?
    Lt. General William M. Keys, CEO Colt Manufacturing Company. Definitely Scottish Jewish.
    P. James Debney, President and CEO of Smith & Wesson. Tricky. Could be English Jewish or Australian Jewish.
    Wayne LaPierre is executive vice president and CEO of the National Rifle Association (NRA), the gun industry’s top lobbying organization. Could be French Jewish?
    But are they left-handed? Are they Christians? Why is no one talking about Christian left-handed conspiracy? Just shows how powerful they are.

  315. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    Their present condition? Their present condition is their past condition too. You really are a mental case. You’re the one who brought up the idea that Neanderthal blood was good blood. And admitted that Black Africans have none. And yes, I think it entirely possible that they and the Australoids bred with Homo Erectus and thus sealed their inferiority forever.
    Christian Europe was not the Darkness you assume. That’s an old bigotry. I admit that in certain ways it fell short of Classical Civilization. But it was hardly a thousand years of darkness. You are the one who keeps trashing Northern Europe and then claim you are doing it to defend Southern Europe. That doesn’t make much sense but it is a school yard tactic/political tactic. I certainly don’t trash Southern Europe the same way. I merely stated that Southern Europe was more Nordic than you know. Look at the busts of the old Romans – mostly White Guys who would be a home anyplace in Northern Europe.
    The Huns were finally defeated by a combined army of Romans and Visigoths. They were great fighters and as Tree said, Europe always had trouble with the superb cavalry of Asia.
    Another example: some of the Pharoahs were Northern Europeasn though I don’t claim that the average Egyptian was. Like India, Ancient Egypt was the fruit of Whites joining with Caucasians.
    The Polynesians were great sailors and that’s about it. Blacks are great musicians and athletes and that’s about it. Whites are like German Shepherds – great overall though some breeds can do certain things better. Hounds have better noses and Greyhounds are faster.

  316. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:31 pm #

    OMG. Further research has revealed that all these gun manufacturer CEOs could be males! And all of them could be white! And all of them could be Anglo-Saxon! And all of them could be Protestant! And all of them could be left-handed! What we have is a guns and ammo conspiracy of WASPs! Why does no one speak of the left-handed WASP conspiracy? Just shows how powerful they are. They must even control the Jews who control the Media who control our minds. The plot thickens! Stay tuned!

  317. Eleuthero5 April 10, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    I didn’t personally ever used the word “sociopath” to describe Jewish control of media so I don’t know why you used that whipping boy in response to my post of thejustmedia.com’s astonishing list of Jews in control of the world’s media outlets.
    In response to the rest of your post I have no idea what you’re really saying except it’s some weak-kneed version of “Well, all groups have bad people”. Well, okay, but Christians, for example (or agnostics or Muslims or Zoroastrians) are not overrepresented in the media by a factor of like TEN THOUSAND relative to their numbers in the general population. THAT, my friend, is the point.
    To me it just stinks to holy high heaven that they occupy the seats of power in the two most powerful sectors of the economy while they avoid the hard work of building and protecting the country via engineering and the military. It smells like a rat that’s been dead for two years in a heating duct. Perhaps you’d care to address that.
    E.

  318. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    Also they have an incredible nautical tradition they never speak of – because it was for their Slaving. They were the Slavers for the Romans and later the Muslims. And they were big in America as well.
    Also Porn. Anything that brings in the money. The Porn degrades the Goyim and weakens their Nations. And the Slavery they blame on entirely on Gentiles and leave out their own part and the part played by Black Africans. Gentile Professors accept it and eagerly condemn their fellow Americans. It’s that eagerness, that joy that so sickens me. The Jews are better than us in that. They very seldom turn on their own – unfortunately even when they should.

  319. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    That was fast! I have received a message from the left-handed WASP conspirators who control guns, ammo, and everything and everyone else. They are upset that I have revealed them on CFN. The say, and I quote, “Shut the fuck up, asshole, or we will shut you up!” I am taking this as a death threat, but I will follow Hancock’s example of bravery and continue to post until they finally catch up with me. Meanwhile, be sure to pay your taxes. (wink wink)

  320. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    Yes, these Races traveled a long way. A good comeback I grant you. But still Whites have a “Faustian” element that no other people have to any degree. These other people traveled for practical reasons following the game over Beringa or to other islands in search of more space and resources. Whites do all that too but we go places for the sheer joy of doing it. Climb Mountains. Go to the Moon. Explore like Lewis and Clark or Livingstone. And yes, some of this “pays off” in time but the original impulse was not about monetary gain.

  321. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    I think I read that piece before – it’s an old White Nationalist piece from the National Alliance. That doesn’t invalidate it of course – though the Left would say so. Truth is a function of political correctness to them. Who says something is more important than what is said to them.

  322. Buck's A Stud April 10, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    I have been following your debate with Rhino not because the subject of race is interesting to me, but because the two of you are not exactly being genuine in your arguments. But I must congratulate you for not invoking your ‘When Giant White Men Walked The Earth With A Conquering Eric The Red Strut’ defense as you have done so many times in the past.
    As for Rhino, he arguments seem to rely solely on the past. For instance, why isn’t Rhino (or yourself for that matter) asking why the technological advances of the Enlightenment/Age of Reason primarily occurred in Europe/NA and not other regions of the world?
    I suppose Rhino might [has been] argue that human development across all ages/races has been an asymmetrical race with various groups taking the lead at any given time, thus nullifying the notion of inherent racial superiority.
    Whatever.
    This is what I do find interesting,however. Take a peak at the amazing carving of the great late Gothic German sculptor Veit Stoss:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GNM-Veit-Stoss-Raphael-Tobias.jpg

  323. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    Real power is guns and ammo where we saw the CEOs in the gun industry and NRA could be Jewish. Da Jooz are also powerful in Media and have used that power to gain power in Congress where they are now 8.4% of congress! Somebody needs to sound the alarm bells about this monolithic Jewish threat in Congress before they reach a whopping 10% … my phone is ringing. Could be them with more death threats. How can they know even before I post? Oh no, the Jews control the internet!

  324. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    we go places for the sheer joy of doing it. Climb Mountains. Go to the Moon.
    Do you realize how many Jewish astronauts there are? They will follow you, Janos, no matter where you go. What are you going to do? What is your answer?

  325. Julian C. Lee April 10, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    Of course, when you control media and information/image for politicians, you control 100 percent of Congress. 99 percent of Congresscritters are Jewish errand boys (or girls).
    Inadequatio has not yet turned over his children to Fema and Homeland Security et al for proper raising, or broken up his throwback family concept — so we know he is a disgusting hypocunt whose carping is of little account.

  326. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Well I do identify with the North and I do enjoy Nordic Treatments of History. But I recognize that my enjoyment is no criterion of Truth and that some of them go too far. But some of them bring out Truth utterly suppressed – such as the prehistoric history of Whites in the New World.
    Watch “Ice Age Columbus” on Youtube to learn how it might have started.
    Why? White excel at technics and science. Amren assumes that’s all there is. I admit that spiritually, the Caucasians of the South and East may well be our superiors. There’s more to life than the intellect. The American Indian has a wonderful intuition of the Spirit as well.

  327. Julian C. Lee April 10, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    “Christian Europe was not the Darkness you assume. That’s an old bigotry. I admit that in certain ways it fell short of Classical Civilization.”
    The sun shone on those years just as in all years and days. My instinct is that the “Dark Ages” meme is propaganda. Peasants working on farms > People living naturally. From Lao Tsu’s point-of-view the so-called “dark ages” were probably idyllic, with people more in a natural, contented, and unperverted state. It was before the Delusion of Technological Progress set in and began disturbing life in profound ways. The one who hypes technology as progress is the Cat In The Hat, the Technology Salesman. Technology is always in the service of controllers, i.e. bankers in today’s situation.
    Funny how the spellcheck didn’t recognize “unperverted” as a word. See? This is the true dark age.

  328. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Why do you find this more interesting? Because you are an artist. Philosophy is broader but that is your Path and you do well to stick to it. But you introduce it into Philosophical Discussions sometimes with little explanation. It doesn’t offend me of course, just sayin. I like much of what you like. But I was hoping you’d respond to Ruskin’s narrow condemnation of Indian Art.

  329. Beantownbill April 10, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    I have an issue with determining how much fossil fuel time we have left. To calculate this, we need to know the amount of every resource company’s supply of gas and oil. First we have to know the amount of proven reserves vs. estimated reserves. Then we also have to know the depletion rate of the resource. We have to know what percentage of the reserves are economically extractable.
    We have to learn the environmental impact of every source of fuel in the ground and whether that impact makes extraction practical. We have to conduct exploration everywhere on the Earth of possible new sources, then conduct more detailed exploration to get proven reserves.
    We have to have standard definitions of what proven and estimated mean. We have to consider the source of all this information. Do companies typically exaggerate their reserves? How did their mining engineers arrive at their figures? Are companies honest in their reporting?
    These are questions off the top of my head; I’m sure there are many more. The point is, to really know how long a supply of fossil fuels we have left is exceptionally difficult to determine by a layman, if not downright impossible. The only reality we can affirm is that we can get at so much fuel and that supply is finite, which means that at some point we will run out of fossil fuel. When is open to total conjecture.

  330. Julian C. Lee April 10, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    “Whites excel at technics and science. Amren assumes that’s all there is.
    I find a fault with Whites who point to this as proof of White superiority. On the positive side, we developed great practical ability out of an instinct to serve. White men stupidly invented things like washing machines for their women and promptly created isolation and discontent for their women which destabilized his natural relations, etc. etc. But there was a bedrock instinct to serve and improve conditions, which is good and which is a northbred White virtue. But the Delusion of Technological Progress — in which you don’t perceive that your inventions merely make duality more complex and profound — equalizes out that virtue as we end up disturbing Nature itself.
    There is no need to speak of “superiority.” Simply watch classical music videos on any classical music channel and you’ll realize that Whites are a unique people and that their invention of one string instrument is enough to care about them and want to protect them. Never even mind the musical strains they play on them.
    My opinion is that the greatest virtues of Whites have more to do with moral order, inner aspiration, and perhaps the elegant bhakti-yoga we see in Christianity. Then we can point to extraordinary aesthetic sensibilities. Look at one old church, created so beautiful for no other purpose but honoring the divine mystery. (At present a song by a Jew is playing, “Spirit in the Sky,” intended to mock this as usual.)
    Technical skill should be classified as one of the more minor virtues of Whites. If people want to over-value it, fine. We need every pretext to stave off Jew-engineered genocide. Never even mind aesthetics, art, or technological clevernness: If the Vedas and Upanishads are really the creation of Aryans — and my instinct is that they are — it trumps everything else as ample justification to stand against White genocide. (“Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White nations everybody.”)

  331. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Since Jews control 100% of congress, does that mean my children would be forced to read the Torah and learn Hebrew in the FEMA camps?
    Since Jews control 100% of congress, why don’t they just eliminate the establishment clause and establish Judaism as the official national religion?

  332. Beantownbill April 10, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

    A, thanks for making me laugh today by you exposing the ridiculousness of the anti-Semitic, anti-everything posters here. Now I have to do some funny posting myself.

  333. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    Oh well, not too much we can do about it as the diametric opposite of “movers and shakers”.

    That’s perhaps the biggest head-on-highway-bus-crash-sized paradox.
    The fact that the individual skill sets to lead, inspire loyalty, create and legitimize a group mentality, etc. etc. are so diametrically opposed to the skill sets involved in seeing through aristocratic bullshittery, to cover many ideas under one rubric.
    And in the rare event of a Kennedy, MLK, or Germanicus (who may have only been slightly less sociopathic than their murderers…we’ll never know) they are easy enough to assassinate with no one to replace them.
    Again, the very qualities that make them unique, also cripple them from understanding (and even if they understand, from acknowledging the bitter truth) the sociopathic “friends and fellow aristos” who wish them dead, let alone outmaneuvering them.
    18 wheel semi travelling 70 MPH Westbound, meet 18 wheel semi travelling 70 MPH Eastbound. KABOOM!
    It’s pretty much the same with us. Like everyone else, most of what we think and believe, how we frame and consider, are all products of our own individual genetics. childhood/adult environments, and psychologies.
    Except without wealth and power, coupled with the lack of driving amibitions to get those things in order to fill some psychological hole in our hearts (obviously, there are many exceptions to this globe-sized generalization, just not enough to matter in this world created by and for aristocratic sociopaths – see Paragraphs #3-5), no sociopaths in these days of 100% technological interconnectedness has to do anything but bull shamelessly forward and turn the volume up on their Trillion-Dollar Propaganda Machine to drown our our pennywhistle voices.
    Yet another saying, a paraphrase of the old movie “Alien” I used too say half-jokingly which has now turned out to be a 100% accurate, if oversimplified state of The Neurolinguistic Battlefield in all it’s forms:
    In America, no one can hear you scream.
    (unless you are a corporation, or an aristocrat with Corpzi connections, or win the lottery of having a heartrending media story that will sell product without being the least bit threatening to the power structure)

  334. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Julian, according to the current scientific worldview, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of material processes; it allegedly emerges out of the complexity of the neuro-physiological processes in the brain.
    This thesis is presented with great authority as an obvious fact that has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. But on closer inspection, we discover that it is a basic metaphysical assumption that is not supported by facts and actually contradicts the findings of modern consciousness research.
    But you probably already knew that.

  335. Beantownbill April 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    Every time I read these comments about Jews I have to laugh.
    All they are doing is showing how dumb they are. A real lack of reasoning power. But I realized something else today. It’s not just that their dicks are small, it’s also that they can’t use them properly. Yup, they are impotent, too. Hence their display of sublimated impotent rage.
    I guess I’d be upset too, if I couldn’t get it up, but at least I wouldn’t take it out on 3rd parties. Oh, by the way, and maybe this is rubbing it in a little, but I couldn’t resist, I read on Yahoo.com news today that apparently women prefer larger penises, which kind of leaves you haters out in the cold. Lol!

  336. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    Changed my mind.
    Look at you, so desperate for allies you’ll team up, even with people who are known to be and have been exposed as the vilest of trolls and frauds, even endorsing the pathetic conversation of soake with himself.
    What do you care? They are telling you what you want to hear, and doing it with distractional nonsense a hundred times more effective than your own.
    So of course you pule and grovel before them. I’d ask if your tribal solidarity is worth more than your self-respect, but that is self-evident and which, on the rare occasions you have been honest with yourself and us (until you went too far and got a liitle TOO honest with ProgorCons, which no amount of plausibly deniable bullshit you try to walk it back with) you have joyously admitted to.
    Know what I find amusing? That you take comfort in a psychotic troll that pretty much everyone recognizes as such, by now.
    That and the fact that you will cling to such pathetic sophistry, so long as your Tribe is protected and served.
    Now THAT’S rich!
    C’mon doggy…BARK now.

  337. Bustin Jay April 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Smokie Joe said “Evidence, please, that anarchy could work among a large, well-armed populace in time of social stress. ”
    Well, that isn’t too difficult to find. Consider the peasantry, the countryside, or the civilians in any armed conflict. Somehow the colonial Americans got along even as the French and English were taking scalps up and down the Ohio. Later, as Richmond burned, somehow the laundry was done in countless locations.
    The question is, can that happen today? I don’t think so, if only because modern people are psychologically dependent on the accoutrement of technological life.
    It remains to be seen if there is some interval of time between the closing of Safeway and the trapping of squirrels for meat, or the shutdown of electricity and scrubbing clothes in the river.
    Remember, anarchy is the default condition of everyday life, where formal rules are not explicitly enforced and creativity is possible. Who, in other words, when the state collapses, is going to go around enforcing building codes? The dark side is that when you are in the river doing your laundry someone upstream may have no compunction dumping a barrel of toxic waste. In that case you have your shotgun.

  338. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    See what I mean about people being slaves to their own psychologies?
    I brought direct attention to soake’s skyrocketing level of conversation with himself, and it shut off like a switch.
    Like I flipped a fucking switch. Couldn’t help himself.
    The sociopath, I mean ASPD sufferer, fears exposure above all.
    (I suppose now the conversations with himself will resume now, you know, just to show how wrong we all are – LOL – dance monkey dance!)

  339. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    Simply watch classical music videos on any classical music channel and you’ll realize that Whites are a unique people and that their invention of one string instrument is enough to care about them and want to protect them.
    Now you are talking. Of course whites should be protected. All peoples should be protected and be free to intermingle, marry, and procreate beautiful children.
    What you say about whites and string instruments and classical music is beautiful. Whites are being helped by The String Student’s Library of Music by Black Composers
    And not just for whites. Students of all races in various stages of development benefit from classical string music of composers of African descent.

  340. lucky 13 April 10, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    He will tie up large cities as well.
    Manhattan, SF, etc.
    The Imperial Couple.
    They and JZ / Beyonce have much in common.
    [JZ is a rapper worth 1/2 billion $, if you do not know. No talent, much $].

  341. Julian C. Lee April 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    “Julian, according to the current scientific worldview, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of material processes; it allegedly emerges out of the complexity of the neuro-physiological processes in the brain.
    Science continually fails. Chemicals come from consciousness; consciousness doesn’t come from chemicals. Chemicals are transient and external. Consciousness predates chemicals, and this is demonstrated each night and morningn. This is all elementary observation.
    And that from a Buddhism maven. Can White-haters ad Jew Pharma World Order slaves get any more asinine?

  342. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    What it means is Matso Ball Soup every Thursday. Can you imagine these savages forced to do that? It’d be worse than water-boarding for them.
    I love Matso Ball Soup, by the way. My homemade version, not the shit that passes for it at Jewish delis.

  343. Julian C. Lee April 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    “All peoples should be protected and be free to intermingle, marry, and procreate beautiful children.”
    Intermingling brings, of course, the destruction of peoples. You are so disgusting absurd. I’m beginning to see that Adequatio is basically a troll poster, positing asinine statements.

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  345. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    The formidable problem of the relationship between phenomena – things as we perceive them – and noumena – things as they truly are in themselves (Dinge an sich) was clearly articulated by Immanuel Kant. Scientists focus their efforts on the aspect of the problem where they can find answers: the material processes in the brain. The much more mysterious problem – how physical processes in the brain generate consciousness – does not receive any attention, because it is incomprehensible and cannot be solved. It is as mysterious as how your consciousness believes in “white-haters and Jew Pharma World Order slaves”

  346. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

    Have you tried the 2nd Ave. deli or Katz’s?

  347. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    Say what? No people are destroyed with the birth of mixed race children. The offspring of interracial couples are not people? Do you not believe in free love? Do you not believe in freedom of association?

  348. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    Also Porn. Anything that brings in the money. The Porn degrades the Goyim and weakens their Nations.

    Yes, Jewish domination of porn is yet another open secret.
    Like most guys, I enjoy a good porno as much as the next, but as things have gotten more obvious, and over-the-top ridiculous, I was forced to ask yet myself another unpleasant question.
    I have in the past tended to look at it as a question of Capitalism, whereby a direct benefit of crushing the Peasants economically is the skyrocketing number of hotter, “nicer” desperate peasant daughters available for exploitation…which by the way has happened in spades, since the beginning of the obviously engineered Greater Depression.
    Now with the internet and the New National Ethos, where everything is for sale, we can see America is Porn Nation, even double what it was not two decades before.
    Whether it’s a centuries-spanning conspiracy or just a bunch of wealthy sociopaths doing what they do without a defined plan or overarching goal, the analysis is the same.
    Coincidence or not, Jewish domination of the porn industry is also an open secret we aren’t allowed to talk about in public. (but I’ll bet we could if it was Arabs running 70%+ of the show)
    I usually don’t respond to you because, as you yourself admitted (true or not), Nazi “solidarity” is in imitation of Jewish solidarity.
    If that’s the case, how could you support it? Imitating your enemies just to defeat them? That doesn’t compute either, unless one views it from the idea that you don’t mind the exploitation and horrors, the lying and deception, just that YOU want to be the deceivers and oppressors instead of THEM.
    That kind of thinking doesn’t exactly endear you to me, and in many ways further reminds me that you are just as willing to turn a blind eye to atrocity and evil as Beans is, when it suits your purpose.

  349. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Yes, I’ve been to both and I like them for typical Jewish deli fare…..much more so than Carnegie.
    However, we’ve gotten so good at making our favorites from scratch at home, that there’s no going back to mediocrity. Yes, every now and then we get a hankering for the “traditonal,” but indulging that hankering just makes us appreciate our own version that much more.
    We had Matso Ball Soup last Thursday as a matter of fact. And damn was it good. My mouth’s watering talking about it.

  350. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    And that from a Buddhism maven.
    What do you mean by this? Are Buddhists bad? Are white Buddhists bad? What about white buddhists who fall in love with Black buddhists (the most natural thing in the world is to fall in love… which has taken place since ancient history).
    Love is the natural order of things.
    Or as Linda Ronstadt sang: “It’s so easy to fall in love.”

  351. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    Great song.
    This one plays in mind as I think about humankind before civilization took hold and factionalized it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNEcQS4tXgQ

  352. Dissingdent April 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    Does anybody NOT know that Carol Newquist/Asoka/adequatio is the creator of the Collapse Watch website?
    If you go there you can read such gems as:
    Collapse Watch has recently been involved in reconnaissance posting at CLUSTERFUCK NATION. The purpose is to test the waters of the comments section in an attempt to determine what lurks below, if anything. True to form, it’s riddled with all manner of danger. It appears there is some sort of psyops being played out. At first glance, it appears as though the comments section has been taken over by White Nationalism and its acolytes. But the further you dig into it, and carefully watch and observe the patterns, the more apt you are to come to the conclusion that that’s the intent, but it’s really just a honeypot ruse.

  353. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    Does anybody NOT know that Carol Newquist/Asoka/adequatio is the creator of the Collapse Watch website?

    I didn’t know that. Thanks. I’m willing o bet lots of other real, live CFNers don’t either.
    That seems to be a DoD Special, a pattern I’ve seen before on other websites where any sensible discussion goes on uninterrupted for very long.
    Not surprising the socipathic trolls follow the same patterns. For all we know they are the same troll or a bunch of paid sociopaths following a designed program, which is more likely.
    I won’t go to the site myself, as the sociopath thrives on attention, plus it will give them hits from actual live people which might generate them or Gestapo PsyOps some revenue. No thanks to that.
    But thanks for the heads-up. Yet another piece of the already obvious puzzle.
    “Reconnaissance posting?” What kind of sick fuck does something like that?
    Scratch that, we know very well what kind of sick fuck does that, either as a paid troll or just an unaffiliated sociopath.
    No wonder these monsters and their henchmen are winning on all fronts. Regular people just can’t keep up, can’t even conceive of what goes on inside their heads, so truly alien is it.

  354. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    Carol Newquist/Asoka/adequatio is the creator of the Collapse Watch website?
    ===========
    This is not true, but I like that site. Thanks for the link.

  355. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    Also, if one considers it, that blurb you posted is perfectly projectional self-depiction of what Sociopathic Soaker is up to here.
    PsyOps
    Honeypot (for the uninitiated the “Honeypot” is a very old military term in which the unwary are enticed – in a military situation by gutshooting an enemy soldier, leaving them alive but howling piteously in pain – so as to lure others into the trap and ambush – the very essence of The Sociopath’s Wet Dream)
    So you exposed it, and it must immediately naysay you for the sociopath fears exposure above all.
    No one believes it, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is TELLING THE LIE, knowing that, statistically, some will be fooled.

  356. AMR April 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    The apocalyptic Christian right wing is a crucial bloc for current US policy vis-a-vis Israel. Straightforward Zionist rhetoric framed as a matter of Jewish welfare and nothing else has little, if any, resonance with a critical mass of voters outside a few urban coastal Congressional districts. If anything, it probably puts off more people than it pleases by raising the specter of special favor for a distrusted minority. Quasi-Zionist Christian rhetoric framing the return of the Jews to Israel as a precursor to the return of Jesus, however, is highly resonant. There is a huge, quite sick political constituency that seeks to use what it calls “the Jewish people” in the most craven and cynical way imaginable in furtherance of its religious agenda (paving the way for the Millennium) and its political agenda (the pursuit of sectarian vendettas against Muslim countries). Many individual Jews, Zionist and non-Zionist alike, are weirded out by the Christian right’s ulterior motives with respect to Israel and the Jews, but many Israeli leaders and Zionist leaders abroad are happy to take advantage of the Christian right every bit as cynically as it takes advantage of them.
    I highly doubt that the Zionist lobby would have a reliable majority to dump largesse in Israel’s lap without the “God blesses those who bless Israel” faction. Keep in mind that although this constituency is small and marginalized in most big cities and in some rural areas on the East and West Coasts, it’s dominant and unabashed in most of flyover country, and it has gained a stranglehold on the Republican primary process in most districts. Without this theocratic conception of politics, reactions to reflexive support for Israel would probably range from antisemitic bigotry to decent but pointed questions about why the hell the United States is wasting its treasure and military capabilities on a bellicose nation that impulsively makes enemies with its neighbors and cruelly mistreats the ethnic minorities within its own borders. The Christian right resorts to saber-rattling theocratic tautologies because the moral arguments for Israel are extremely weak.
    So are the moral arguments for the neighboring regimes, for that matter.

  357. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    Does anybody NOT know that dotdotdot/Asoka/K-Dog/Julian/Janos/lucky 13/OEO/MikeHunt/Dissingdent/ozone/Qshtik/adequatio is the creator of the Collapse Watch website?
    This is not true. If you believe it is true the best thing to do would be not to call attention to it (trolls thrive upon such attention) be it in 1st person (reply TO an entity) or 3rd person (talking ABOUT an entity). It is a waste of time to engage these entities. Then again the rules and aliases change constantly and not replying shuts down discussion which is what they probably want. So continue replying, commenting and discussing to show the trolls that meaningful commentary on CFN cannot be shut down. Thanks.

  358. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Yes sir, it’s quite an ironic mating of constituencies: Johnny Reb Evangelism and Zionism.
    I might argue, that in Orwellian Totalitarian nations like Corpzi America, irony has been almost made passe and archaic.
    What is irony when the entire apparatus of society is bending towards complete and total madness? It won’t take much now to send it over the edge, this nation is already so close.
    Just another engineered economic disaster or collapse, already well in the works, followed by 9/11 #2 (probably a nuke or dirty bomb in Chicago, since that’s marketing gold guaranteeing untiy among Repiblicrats and Demopicans alike) ought to do, things are so so damned poised and ready to go, on a mass psychological level.
    Collectively, the American Subject Populace has already been driven wholly insane, but it’s still masked by the last rotting vestiges of the Old World (if there even really was such a thing, and not just a PR program which at that time needed to do a better job of pretending democracy and decency).
    Not for much longer. Ny best guess in the economy goes 2015 or 2016. It would be late 2016 just like 2008, except Obama isn’t Royalty, so his script may include a longer and therefore more thorough discrediting of the Demopicans, so that Royal Jeb and the Republicrats get to sweep in with a TOTAL mandate…to start WWIII, though the sheep won’t know what’s coming any better than during the first 9/11.
    Then after the Coming of Jeb the Destroyer, it’s just a countdown to th0/11 #2 and the rest.
    Our only hope this thing holds off for another round of the Phony Bush-Clinton or Bush-Obama Scripts is if someone of lesser royalty, like Christie or a Democrat, the least likely of all scenarios, ascends the throne in 2017.
    Then we know that no Filthy Little Nobody (to the Highest Aristocrats on Earth, the Bushes and whomever if anyone sits above them) gets to start WWIII, so that means we’re safe for a little while longer. Maybe as late as 2025, if we’re lucky, unlikely as that is.
    But no matter how long it’s drawn out before, the whole thing has to end with 9/11 #2 leading to WWIII leading to the Great Dieoff, which is so evidently desired by our Ruling Gods on Earth, since the world has been allowed to fill with too many of we Useless Eater Peasants.
    I just wanted to lay that on you, because as crazy as it sounds, I have had pretty much everything that’s happened since 9/11 pegged down with 90% success, so crazy as it sounded then and it sounds now, it’s probably just as likely.
    90% likely, trend-wise.
    The trick, ulimately, is wrenching one’s perspective away from the Official Lies and realizing that all of the Earth, virtually every society in every time has been constructed by aristocratic sociopaths for aristocratic sociopaths.
    Once one understands THAT (and that all the rest is, as the Who once called it “An Eminence Front”), and also that sociopaths operate at bottom on a six-year-old level, as they have no capacity to feel emptahy, emotion, nor anything else that comes with a maturing mind.
    It’s not exactly the same, for certainly normal six-year-olds can feel emotions and all that, but I am referring to their spoiled childish entitlement (I do NOT mean that in the Fox “News” way) that the world is theirs and we normal Useless Eaters are theirs to do with what they wish.
    Sadly, that’s been a self-fufilling prophecy because they are always finding their way into power and restructuring society to be in keeping with their wants, which are everything to them.
    In other words, start framing your thinking as if the Leaders of the World, whatever their race, creed, or color are spolied sociopathic children who care less about us than their new iPhone or pet poodles, and would happily pile billions of corpses of we Useless Eaters just to achieve the smallest of their wants, then suddenly you’ll see future trends (details are another matter) like a psychic.
    Actually, given that sad truth, to which there are a few, ever brief exception of non-sociopathic rule, there are very few examples of any society whose morak arguments are strong.
    The reason? Morality and conscience are for Inferiors, Useless Eater Peasants like us, who’s population will be reduced by five or six billion in the coming century, barring a miracle, not the Living Gods on Earth Who Rule, either sociopaths or those who have dedicated their lives to imitating them for their own personal gain.
    It’s a sick, lunatic, charnel-house world we live in, have always lived in, but it is what it is and is unlikely to change by anything short of species extinction.
    This glut of cheap oil and mass technology was, I believe, our final chance as a species, to create something different and better, if that was possible with such defective clay, so to speak.
    And we blew it. Fell in love with Sociopaths and gave it all away to them ONCE AGAIN while they laughed contemptuously at us…all the way the the Caymans and City of London banks.
    Pathocracy. Government of the Sociopaths, by the Sociopaths, and for the Sociopaths. And yes, it shall not perish from the Earth until humanity perishes.

  359. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    Wow, BOTH his personas (he’s probably got more) came and told you you’re wrong.
    So, you must be wrong – LOL.
    Humorously, that’s what passes for “investigative journalism” in this country these day.
    Some presstitute fake journalists calls the aristocartic thief and asks, “Is it true you’re not a thief?”
    To which the thief replies, “No, I am not a thief. You are wrong.”
    Then the presstitute goes back to the office, secure in the knowledg they did the best job they can.
    The next days story headline.
    “Evidence confirms aristocrat not a thief!”
    And that’s good enough for most everyone, these days.

  360. San Jose Mom 51 April 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    I think that corporate leaders (not just Jews) that make it to the top have a narcissistic, and even sociopathic traits that helped them rise to the top. Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs are/were bad because they both were abandoned by their birth parents. I recall a Larry quote in the SJ Mercury News, “It’s not enough that I should win, everybody else should lose.”
    Back in the 1980’s an acquaintance of mine was Larry’s secretary. She put up with all kinds of unpleasant drama. She was well paid, and Larry would foot the bill and send her to Hawaii from time-to-time, when he’d been especially difficult.

  361. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm #

    Long live Kunstler and walking towns.
    Here is an example of a small “walking town” that will be replicated all over the nation as old malls are converted into new walking town malls:
    Monday’s meeting was an opportunity for residents to hear the new vision for the mall. The company planned to tear apart the mall’s center and replace it with an open air shopping center. Apartments and a movie theater would be added to the levels.
    Access to parking and pedestrian connections would be much easier under the new plan and the mall’s dated interior would be replaced with an outdoor promenade. Sears and Macy’s would remain in business. “You get to experience a sort of small town, urban environment as you go into the parking deck”
    Of course, new hiring will be happening to fill all the jobs created by the mall remodel project. Think of how many malls in the USA will be generating jobs as they are remodeled into walking town malls.

  362. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

    the whole thing has to end with 9/11 #2 leading to WWIII leading to the Great Dieoff
    I have been hearing about 9/11 #2 since 2002, for over ten years now. Bin Laden himself used that threat as part of his psy-ops campaign which you are continuing. This went on for years with terrorist videos being released, Homeland Security alerts, etc. until Obama got elected and put an end to all the nonsense by putting an end to Bin Laden.
    You must not have gotten the three memos on this. Memo #1: 9/11 #2 has been cancelled.
    Memo #2: WWWIII has been cancelled.
    Memo #3: The Great Dieoff has been cancelled.
    Sorry, Charlie, try your psy-ops fear mongering somewhere else. It doesn’t work here.

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  364. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

    Firstly, I never claimed to be a German Nationalist Socialist – which would be absurd. Nor do I think we should imitate everything they did – since they made huge mistakes like the persecution of the Slavs, a mistake both tactically and morally. And obviously I don’t think we should just become Jews with foreskins. That’s what the Gentile “Corpzis” have done. My point was that historically Jewish Identity Politics gave rise to German Identity Politics, not an imitation per se.
    But yes I do think we have to get tough if we are going to survive. You admit a few posts down how badly we are losing right now. Do you want to win? Then we might have to copy some of the tactics of the Left and the Far Right. Fascism is the response of a Nation State under attack. And we are under attack – by the Globalists and not the North Koreans. And some of us think that the Republican Party is being intentionally sabotaged so it doesn’t become the American equivalent of a German Worker’s Party. I grant you it would be quite different since our Tradition is much less collective, but the Tea Party was for strong borders, English as our National Language and a few even know about the necessity of tariffs and selectively open borders for commerce. They needed some work there of course. No matter. All down the toilet now. There will be blood.

  365. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

    OMG! This is totally not true! We are not the same person! But thanks for the link. Is that a great site or what? EVERYONE should log on to it! Totally COOL! Log on NOW!!!

  366. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    OK – just a couple of wild guesses, here:
    1. “dissing dent” is a brand new screenname, here at the ClusterF*ck. I can practically guarantee that dissing dent is also the creator of the “collapse watch” blog.
    2. “collapse watch” rings a bell as something important in the doomer community – but this particular “collapse watch” appears to be some sort of recently created – trap, or something.
    3. I was going to leave the following comment over there at “collapse watch,” but the site requires an email address, etc. And in reference to points #1, and 2, above – I smell a rat.
    =======================
    Anyway, here’s the comment I would have left if I didn’t practice safe internet:
    To the “collapse watch” creator, who said this:
    “Considering the ridiculous absurdity that takes place in the comments section at CLUSTERFUCK NATION under the watchful eye of Kuntsler and his staff, it’s rather ironic that this post was flagged for moderation. To the trained and focused eye, an agenda is afoot at CLUSTERFUCK NATION. What is the agenda and why is it being implemented are the real questions to be answered.”
    You, sir or madam, are a doofus.
    “watchful eye??”
    HAH – JHK could hardly care less about this thread.
    More importantly, your post had THREE live interned links in it. That’s one over the limit that “the watchful eye of Kuntsler and his staff” has set.
    “Held for moderation” is a relatively random event at this ClusterFuck. So are screenname bannings. Removal of posts at CFN is less common, but it does occur – totally at the whim of JHK. It is his website, after all.
    JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER – You might want to read some of this recent “collapse watch” kerfuffle.
    It’s a fascinating look into somebody’s weirdness.
    And asokadaquatio and the “carols” are pure trolls, regardless.
    Thanks for the work you do, Kunstler!

  367. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    I’ve heard Honeypot used differently: spies who use sex to get close to diplomats and then obtain sensitive material by theft, blackmail, or just bed talk. Or it terms of guerilla war, the luring of an Occupying Soldier to his death by an attractive girl.

  368. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    As if Christians don’t care about money…
    Christian Porn Movement
    and pornography that has Christian values.

  369. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    I know, right!!!!??? Same people who claim we’re the same person. Totally bogus!! LOL!!

  370. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    OMG! Totally not true, LOL! We are NOT the same person! COMPLETELY BOGUS!! LOL, OMG!!!

  371. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

    AND Adequation is NOT Asoka, for the last friggin time!

  372. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

    “your post had THREE live interned links in it.”
    -oops-
    Two interNET links are ok. Moderation is automatic.
    Two links avoid moderation.
    Three links are “held for moderation”
    never to reappear.
    Try it and see.

  373. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Dude, you ROCK! Plus you have a big C-CK! (most black guys do, lol!)

  374. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

    “AND Adequation is NOT Asoka, for the last friggin time!”
    -the Repellent Entity, proving “her” doofusness-
    Watched any good collapses lately, “carol?”
    And I watched “asoka” for almost 3 years.
    “adequatio” most certainly IS, the Resident Impediment.
    You, “carol” may or may not be a different troll.
    Jury’s still out.
    But you are a troll.
    That jury has voted and gone home.

  375. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    OH MY GAWD!!!!!
    “Porn the way God intended”
    “Filmed procreation”
    “Porn Again”
    Where in thee F*CK are we?

  376. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

    Yes, I have, and it’s DELISH! THANKS!!!

  377. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    “You do understand by this reframing, the power of the word “sociopath” is disarmed and neutered.”
    -wshancock-
    Yeah, I actually thought of that as I was posting the link about the new APA terminology.
    And I miss the term “manic-depressive,” too – and the term “bipolar” doesn’t begin to be as powerful.
    But don’t shoot the messenger, dude.
    I was just pointing out the FACT of the new language, so that you, bill, I, and all the rest could use the new nomenclature.
    ========================
    And look, man, you can’t blame bill or any other Jew for the sins of omission and commission of “all Jews.”
    That’s morally wrong.
    Not to mention crazy.
    It’s no different from how asokadatio blames “all whites” for the use of nuclear bombs.
    Or “carol” wants “all North Carolinians” to be shot to death by their young children.

  378. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm #

    Lighten up, P4C. Today is a great day for undocumented workers!

  379. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    why is that, asokadipstick?

  380. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    because they think they are all going to be legalized, bring in their families, have lots of children, bring the US to 700 million, and destroy all life on earth except for bacteria and simple fungi” -asokadatio, paraphrased-

  381. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm #

    Open your heart and love the new USA citizens, bro. Peace.

  382. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    I’m an excellent cook as well! VIVA ITALIANTE!

  383. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    I don’t have any children due to a vasectomy I had when I was in my 20s. More should embrace this practice if one is concerned with faux theories such as Peak Oil, Population Explosion, Immigration, and resource exploitation.

  384. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    No children for me either. It’s what’s allowed me to keep my perfect figure. I find that camel dung works well as a prophylactic anent conception.

  385. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

    You did the same as a poster (who no longer posts here) named Asoka, except he said it was at age 20 that he got a vasectomy.

  386. Carol Newquist April 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    Exactly. You’re a good man, adequatio. Here’s the theme of that pro-immigrant demonstration in Washington.
    Come on people now
    smile on your brother
    everybody Get Together
    try to love one another right now!

    That is one beautiful message for all of us with love in our hearts.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ

  387. carolnewquist... April 10, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    And why SHOULD we “shut up” when we have many important things to say? ASSHOLE!

  388. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

    “if one is concerned with faux theories such as Peak Oil, Population Explosion, Immigration, and resource exploitation.”
    -the Repellent Entity-
    One has to ask why one would post to a website such as this – if one believes that these are all “faux” theories.

  389. lucky 13 April 10, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    Whites excel at technics and science.
    Men excel at inventing.
    Yellow and White men.
    [Did you see ‘its’ latest response.
    The ol ‘vasectomy’ line. From ‘Carole’.]

  390. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    When people point out the bad that whites have done, whites are quick to point out how other people have done it too, how it is “natural”.
    Like with the slave trade they quickly point out that Africans and Arabs did it too. Historical Context suddenly matters. But when it comes to the good things, like inventions, white people act like they are the only ones. It is no longer so “natural” anymore. Historical Context goes out the window.
    Yet white people would be nowhere without four Chinese inventions: gunpowder, the compass, paper and the printing press. Their rise to world power was built on these.
    In fact, before 1500 there were very few white inventions but plenty of Chinese and Egyptian ones.
    The Egyptians (located in Africa) invented civilization itself along with stuff like writing, calendars, irrigation and so on. They made huge pyramids that no has been able to match since. Egypt was the most advanced part of the world for over 2,000 years – twice as long as even China, much less the West.
    True, most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people. But that is only because they have been on top during that time. If it was because white people are born with more brains, then white people would have been on top all throughout history – not just a fifth of it. Rhino has pointed this out all week long.

  391. lucky 13 April 10, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    IQ averages in Israel is 90 [maybe thats why the country gets so much welfare].
    “The shame is that their intelligence (Ashkenazim average 20 IQ points more than Gentiles)”
    That is not believable.
    Whites in USA average 106.

  392. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 8:27 pm #

    And look, man, you can’t blame bill or any other Jew for the sins of omission and commission of “all Jews.”
    That’s morally wrong.
    Not to mention crazy.

    What?!?
    I reread carefully the post you replied to, and there’s not one thing in there that indicates I said anything like that.
    NOT ONE THING.
    What is with you, guy?
    You keep returning to this nonsense when I haven’t said one thing indicating I am collectively blaming anyone for the crimes of their fellows.
    What the hell is wrong with you?
    Why don’t you give me some quotes that show I am blaming Bill or anyone collectively?
    You begin to convince me that you ARE a spineless weenie.
    With friends like you, who needs enemies?
    Man, I am pissed at you! You are either a spineless weenie who can’t help but fall back on your conciliating (ecch I hate this word but there’s no other way to put it) political corrrectness, or you have a reading comprehension problem.
    You went back of accusing me of the thing I have absolutely been taking pains to avoid (support of collective blame or punishment) and pretended I said the opposite of what I not only said once, but laid in so many qualifiers in so many posts to make sure this was clear as crystal that if Q was posting this week, he’d have an aneurysm over my endless qualifications and the extra length and complexity of my posts because of it!
    Maybe he’s right. For what did I waste my time doing all that windy qualifying? Nothing, according to you.
    Just don’t talk to me for awhile, mealy-mouthed asshole.
    Now, I am sure Beans would like to have a long and flattering chat with you.
    And you would like to be flattered, wouldn’t you, you spineless conciliator of NOTHING!
    Fock you. I say again with spineless weenies like you as an “internet friend”, who needs enemies?

  393. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 8:33 pm #

    lucky 13, IQ only measures one facet of human ability using questionable measurement techniques.
    “Assessments of multiple intelligences should fulfill two criteria. First, they need to be direct and as natural as possible–the assessment should not occur through a paper-and-pencil instrument. Thus, a good measure of interpersonal intelligence should examine how individuals actually interact with and evaluate one another–not how one answers questions about such encounters. Second, they need to survey an intelligence in some detail. Whether we are dealing with spatial, musical, or interpersonal abilities, each of these has many facets, and we should not be satisfied with a one-shot assessment of a single facet.” — Howard Gardner

  394. WSHancock1864 April 10, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    Hey, E, ProgorCons BS made me forget why I stopped in again.
    More anecdotal evidence from a reliable source. You will definitely want to read this which describes personsally, the “nuts and bolts” of the things we have been chatting about:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34560.htm
    Though I am sure, this woman is just a lying, self-loathing anti-Semite, right?
    What other explanation could there be?

  395. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    Man, I am pissed at you! You are either a spineless weenie …
    He is probably one of the Asoka incarnations who only wants to impede dialog by name-calling and by a continuous and never ending anti-immigration refrain, shilling for some racist group.
    Don’t feed the trolls, man. P4C is a troll who contributes nothing to CFN.
    You see what he did to you? He does that regularly. He did an especially vicious job on BTB. Oh, and he holds a grudge. He badgered BTB for months (maybe years). This P4C guy (Asoka?) is racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, and an asshole.

  396. progress4conserving April 10, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    “What the hell is wrong with you?
    Why don’t you give me some quotes that show I am blaming Bill or anyone collectively?”
    -wshancock, to p4c-
    That’s a fair request, Hancock.
    Try this on for size:
    “But I have eyes, and at the very least, your people are no less susceptible to henching for the most vile evils, and convincing yourselves how wonderful you are for doing so, as any other human beings on this Earth.”
    -wshancock, to btb-
    “your people…”
    That sounds like collective blame to me, HC.
    =========================
    “Fock you. I say again with spineless weenies like you as an “internet friend”, who needs enemies?” -hc, to p4c-
    This is excessive, Billy Yank.
    JHK wrote piece a few months ago, “All Screaming Ego – No Brains”
    It happens on the internet.
    I believe that has become operative, here.
    It happened to bill with me, too.
    Someday I’d like to explore that with him.
    Since the Resident Impediment is goading.

  397. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    Elizabeth Warren Criticizes Obama’s Spending Cuts
    “In short, “chained CPI” is just a fancy way to say “cut benefits for seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans.”
    “Two-thirds of seniors rely on Social Security for most of their income; one-third rely on it for at least 90% of their income. These people aren’t stashing their Social Security checks in the Cayman Islands and buying vacation homes in Aruba – they are hanging on by their fingernails to their place in the middle class.”
    ELIZABETH WARREN FOR PRESIDENT 2016

  398. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Yes, the Sephardics are like Whites and the so called Oriental Jews are dumb like Arabs. And of course the Black Ethiopian Jews are hopeless…
    Where are you getting 106? That can’t be right: by definition, the average is 100. We have slipped in recent years due to smart Whites having so few kids though.

  399. adequatio April 10, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

    Janos, IQ only measures one facet of human ability using questionable measurement techniques.
    “Assessments of multiple intelligences should fulfill two criteria. First, they need to be direct and as natural as possible–the assessment should not occur through a paper-and-pencil instrument. Thus, a good measure of interpersonal intelligence should examine how individuals actually interact with and evaluate one another–not how one answers questions about such encounters. Second, they need to survey an intelligence in some detail. Whether we are dealing with spatial, musical, or interpersonal abilities, each of these has many facets, and we should not be satisfied with a one-shot assessment of a single facet.” — Howard Gardner

  400. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    You’re a bore and a boor. At least get some new material. General Intelligence or “g” is what makes our high tech Culture possible.

  401. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    It’s natural to be angry at those who have downed our Country. And he doesn’t exclude the Whites who helped or the White sheep who let it happen. In fact, it’s natural to be very angry about it. The problem is not too much anger but too little. Where’s the outrage? The problem is the dullness, distraction, and the despair not the anger. Anger can lead to change.
    Sure not all or most Jews are directly involved. But most support those who are – just as Bill supported Mika. Most? That’s a bit weak, let’s say nearly all. There are some good Leftist Jews who are willing to talk, but actually it’s more common in Israel. Here the show (for the Gentiles) must go on.

  402. Janos Skorenzy April 10, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    Good open letter in support of Kraft and against the Church of Political Correctness.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/04/an-open-letter-to-kurt-anderson-on-charles-krafft/#more-38139

  403. adequatio April 11, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    LOL! You want new material? Try this: Genetic-g is decreasing and the European intelligence quotient is declining and it is scientifically proven. You probably don’t know about the studies since they have only just been published. If you are really interested, look it up yourself. Here is the cite:
    Woodley, M. A., & Meisenberg, G. (2013). In the Netherlands the anti-Flynn effect is a Jensen effect. Personality & Individual Differences, 54(8), 871-876
    Dutch population for the period 1975–2005 (representing the 1950–1990 birth cohorts), along with data on g loadings and subtest reliabilities. The method of correlated vectors is used to explore the association between Flynn and anti-Flynn effect magnitudes, both independently and together, and the g loadings of subtests.
    Declines due to the anti-Flynn effect are estimated at ?4.515 points per decade, whereas gains due to the Flynn effect are estimated at 2.175 points per decade. The N-weighted net of these is a loss of ?1.350 points per decade, suggesting an overall tendency towards decreasing IQ in the Netherlands with respect to these cohorts.
    What that means is that y’all gettin’ dumber.

  404. adequatio April 11, 2013 at 12:59 am #

    You keep on marrying whites only. In fact, you keep on marrying within your own little family clans. You keep on marrying your white cousins. And you know what happens? Y’all get dumber.
    The guy who established g, Arthur Jensen, says so.
    “Inbreeding depression of test scores is a purely genetic effect that lessens a quantitative trait. It results from the greater frequency of double-recessive alleles in the offspring of genetically related parents, such as cousins. The degree of inbreeding depression on various mental test scores is strongly related to the tests’ g-loadings. The larger the g-loading, the greater is the magnitude of inbreeding depression on the test scores.”
    What this means is that y’all gettin’ dumber.
    Whites have cornered themselves into because of their racism and segregation/incest resulting from erroneous beliefs in white supremacy.
    Given this downward IQ spiral of whites you might want to reconsider miscegenation or your concept of g.

  405. Janos Skorenzy April 11, 2013 at 1:51 am #

    So you want us to breed with Black morons instead? The White Race has more than enough diversity to avoid inbreeding. You’re just twisting concepts to support your desire to destroy the White Race – the Race like unto the Gods.

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  407. lucky 13 April 11, 2013 at 2:26 am #

    IQ of college student = 110 average.
    Someone claimed they isolated Whites IQ and after
    filtering out B n Bs, Whites were 106, not 100.
    I did not save the info, it was online somewhere.
    Could be true.
    May have been a commenter at Occidental Observer.
    It may have been connected to study on tribes IQ
    being 100 on average.
    A pal CLAIMS after WW 2 a lot of ‘Blond German children’ were shipped to Israel as a genetic
    upgrade for the start of Zion.

  408. lucky 13 April 11, 2013 at 2:31 am #

    definition, the average is 100.
    For all races w/i USA or world.

  409. Eleuthero5 April 11, 2013 at 3:09 am #

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    You keep on marrying whites only. In fact, you keep on marrying within your own little family clans. You keep on marrying your white cousins. And you know what happens? Y’all get dumber.
    **************************************************************
    Very few people of ANY race marry their cousins, doofus. As to our “little clans”, Europeans hardly procreated with anyone else BUT Europeans for centuries and we produced Bach, Beethoven, Handel, Brahms, Shockley (gotta love this guy … he’s so honest), and so on. If miscegenation made for a brighter people then why, when I watch NOVA and see all kinds of interviews with all kinds of brilliant scientists they are almost NEVER the product of miscegenation.
    As always, your posts violate the very evidence of people’s senses. Like the Pigs in Animal Farm, you want to tell us that black is white, hot is cold, and yes is no. You would have us “prove” that the sun is going to rise tomorrow because you found some study that says it isn’t.
    Your rhetorical tactic is almost always to bog down a discussion so that we have to define “is” and “the” because you demand it. There are some things which are either prima facie truths or have overwhelming longitudinal data to support them … imbecile.
    E.

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  413. Carol Newquist April 11, 2013 at 8:38 am #

    Let’s try to link the latest diversionary conversation back to the title of the post. That Dreadful Day can mean many things. For example, it can mean nuclear war and the annihilation of our species and most life on earth. If we’re to believe the bogus stats being proffered here by white nationalists, maybe they can explain to me the intelligence quotient of manifesting that particularly onerous predicament. Afterall, white people are mainly responsible for the creation of a weapon so destructive, it threatens to wipe us out each and every day like a Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads. If that’s intelligence, then I prefer to remain an idiot, thank you very much.

  414. ComradeDystopia April 11, 2013 at 8:47 am #

    Hey Lucky13 I know who JayZ is. I said hello to the guy once. Curtis Jackson (fifty cent, fitty) lives up the street. One day I was walking by with my little nephew. Jackson and JayZ were standing out front at the end of his long driveway. They were pretty friendly actually.
    –CD

  415. zaxxon April 11, 2013 at 8:53 am #

    Hello Mr. Kunstler…
    My question is; with the impossible to imagine size of the daily flight of real assets and debt instruments in cyberspace, some learned friends have told me there is not enough actual physical gold in existence to back these daily transfers of stupendous amounts of notional wealth and debt.
    If we were to assign at monetary gold value to each miniscule transaction, the financial world would collapse.
    I think its undoable. Please explain.

  416. progress4conserving April 11, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    “Afterall, white people are mainly responsible for the creation of a weapon so destructive…”
    -a CFN troll, blaming “white people,” again-
    “If that’s intelligence, then I prefer to remain an idiot, thank you very much.”
    -a CFN troll, mastering one goal, anyway-
    And let us recall that 7 of the 14 lead scientists on the Manhattan Project were Jewish.
    Is that an antisemitic statement, bill?
    I do get tired of walking on eggshells.

  417. ozone April 11, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    “Though I’m generally allergic to conspiracy theories, it smells like someone is engineering the downward behavior of the metals.” -JHK
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-10/here-we-go-cyprus-sell-%E2%82%AC400-million-gold-finance-part-its-bailout
    Who benefits?
    Ofttimes a conspiracy is quite a bit more functional than theory.

  418. ozone April 11, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    Horrors!
    I’m surprised you and your little nephew weren’t killed, cooked, and eaten on the spot!
    They must have had their minds on their money, and their money on their minds… or ho’s… or bling. (“They” are so easily distracted you know.)

  419. Carol Newquist April 11, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    And let us recall that 7 of the 14 lead scientists on the Manhattan Project were Jewish.
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    At the behest of white men, for white men to use in their quest to destroy all that is good.
    I’m not blaming white men, you and your friends are. By claiming whites are of higher intelligence via bogus stats about IQ, and laying claim to any and all technological achievements, I have merely applied your logic to the equation. No blame, just a logical conclusion from the so-called “facts” as presented by your pals.

  420. ozone April 11, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    …Your learned friends are correct.
    Why would Goldman be interested in amassing bullion? Something skeevy going on in the derivatives trade, hmm?
    I urge you to design your own “economic system”; you couldn’t do worse than Unka Miltie Friedman and his Grand Inquisitor and Interlocutor, ol’ Liverlips Greenspan.

  421. Carol Newquist April 11, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Especially when you’re a “former” Wall Streeter and there’s big money to be made off of peddling conspiracy. Keep carrying, Water Boy.

  422. ozone April 11, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Speaking of conspiracies, the weight of enough lies makes for a personality compacted to just that: a lie. How such people navigate the real world is going to be an interesting thing to observe. Trust is going to be in much shorter supply in the near future; will gum’mint-issue pathological liars survive when that sponsorship evaporates? Could be touchy.
    (The fishing for information is a dead giveaway of a professional liar.)

  423. adequatio April 11, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Ass Soaker, There are some things which are either prima facie truths or have overwhelming longitudinal data to support them … imbecile.
    LOL!
    I cited a study of varied demographic native-born Dutch cohorts followed over a 40 year period. That qualifies as a longitudinal study, Teacher of the Year.

  424. adequatio April 11, 2013 at 10:55 am #

    ^Mr. Teacher of the Year^

  425. Beantownbill April 11, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    Don’t forget to add a dollop of paranoia to that personality mix.
    And a healthy amount of fear: the feeling of helplessness empowered by a refusal to accept that things just happen,and that what’s on the surface is all there may be.

  426. adequatio April 11, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    we produced Bach, Beethoven, Handel, Brahms
    I celebrate European cultural achievements, including those from mulatto/mixed heritage like Beethoven, Haydn, Pushkin, etc.
    Because I am not a racist I can celebrate all human achievement. I do not deny “white” achievements. I celebrate them (except for the development of weapons that could wipe out all life on the planet).
    I also celebrate achievements of other races and of mixed-heritage individuals. Some here have difficulty celebrating both achievements of “whites” and achievements of “persons of colour.”
    Some want to whitewash history, for example by denying Beethoven’s Black influence. They ignore the historical record to try to make a “white” point. That is ugly. Celebrate human achievement and don’t whitewash anything.

  427. ComradeDystopia April 11, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    Ozone, actually Jackson has a pretty good reputation around here as a citizen and all around guy. Much better than Mike Tyson when he lived in the house.
    He’s not around these parts much anymore and is trying to sell the place. Its a white elephant and most likely will have to be torn down.
    I’ve known a few other public people, as I know you do, and it seems like the real person is a lot different than the one represented in the media.
    –CD

  428. Beantownbill April 11, 2013 at 11:15 am #

    Just not sure what your point is. How do Jewish scientists fit in to the conversation? But to answer your question, I don’t consider the remark anti-Semitic.
    Walking on eggshells leads to a very good sense of balance. Welcome to the club. One difference between Blacks and Jews is that Blacks can’t hide that they’re black in company, but Jews have to decide whether to mention they’re Jews, especially if one is stuck in a social situation where the others, let’s say, are not admirers of Jews, and are speaking freely because they don’t know you are one.

  429. ComradeDystopia April 11, 2013 at 11:18 am #

    Some pretty interesting articles on North Sea Oil tues. in London Financial Times. There have been a few more discoveries by the Norwegians, large ones, and it seems there is a sort of ‘fracking’ process underway to recover undersea oil from fields previously thought to be depleted. I don’t know what it all amounts to.
    –CD