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But if Mr. Trump agrees to work with Mr. Putin despite a list of Russian transgressions beginning with the annexation of Crimea and ending with its interference in the 2016 presidential election, he will also look weak while Mr. Putin can claim that he reconstructed the relationship.

The New York Times

America wakes up to astonishing bullshit from its so-called Newspaper of Record in this lead front-page propaganda dump du jour. Granted, American education has succeeded in destroying the critical faculties of at least three generations so that the public drowns in a soup of unreality every day. In the news business now, as in the national life generally, anything goes and nothing matters.

One has to wonder, though, about the editors who serve up this baloney. Are they mere servelings of the Rand Corporation, Raytheon, and other parties with an interest in the war business, or can they possibly believe their own extrusions of fabricated agit-prop?

For instance, the imputed Russian “annexation of Crimea,” as if the place was some kind of nostalgic, sore-beset Ruritania of independent princes, colorful peasants, and earnest postal clerks cruelly enslaved by bloodthirsty Cossacks. No, Crimea had been officially a province of Russia since exactly 1783 — which was, by the way, the same year that the American Revolution officially ended via the Treaty of Paris.

After the Russian Revolution (1917) the Crimean peninsula became an autonomous province of the Soviet Union, meaning it remained a part of what was then Russia. In 1954, Nikita Khrushchev turned the administrative duties over to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which was then also a province of the greater USSR, i.e. Russia. Through the entire modern era, Crimea has been the site of the USSR’s, and now Russia’s, only warm-water naval bases. Ask the average American college student why that is, and you will surely receive a blank stare.

Crimea is a peninsula on the Black Sea, which connects to the Mediterranean Sea. Hence Crimea’s strategic value. For a few short years in the 21st century, following the breakup of the USSR, the now-independent Ukraine had possession of Crimea and essentially rented the existing naval bases to Russia. That provided a much needed revenue stream for the struggling country, which was also utterly dependent on imported Russian natural gas supplies, which Ukraine had to pay for.

When the elected president of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovych, was overthrown in 2014, with the help of the US State Department and CIA, Russia was obliged to secure its naval bases in Crimea — where the overwhelming majority of citizens were culturally and linguistically Russian anyway. A referendum ratified the transfer of Crimea back to Russia. Apart from these procedural details, it must be obvious that Russia would never have ceded its strategic naval bases on the Black Sea to Ukraine, especially when that beleaguered country was being manipulated by the USA and NATO into becoming an adversarial presence on Russia’s border.

At the same time, the US and NATO have been running war games near Russia’s border in the Baltic region and American soldiers have been deployed into Lithuania. What war are they preparing for exactly? What is supposedly at issue (besides America’s apparent lust for war)?

That last question applies equally to the incessantly repeated trope that Russia interfered in the 2016 US election. What is supposedly at issue? The New York Times has been making this empty allegation for a year now, without ever specifying exactly how Russia might have “interfered.” In the process, the newspaper has squandered its credibility on what looks exactly like a witch hunt — a campaign against dark and mysterious supernatural forces. It is doing great harm to an already badly-educated, misinformed, economically distressed, drug-addled American public. It also looks like plain old war-mongering.

Coverage of the Trump-Putin meeting during the G-20 conference this week is being played like a WWF championship bout. Which president is weak or strong? Which one will be a loser of a winner? This is no way to cover geopolitical relations. The United States and its news media look like they want this country to commit suicide by stupidity.

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289 Responses to “Suicide by Stupidity”

  1. 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 9:27 am #

    Great entry, cannot agree more

    • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:32 am #

      Yes, the ‘Great Game’ continues!

    • cbeard July 7, 2017 at 11:33 am #

      I don’t always completely agree with the host, but this time I agree 101%

  2. shotho July 7, 2017 at 9:32 am #

    From my study of European history and annual trips to Ukraine, everything said here is factual. In West Ukraine there is an understandable affinity for Europe and its values, but most of the population is in the center and East of the country where Russian and slavic traditions, including the language, prevail. The cultures of the East and West do not vary a lot, but their political leanings diverge in predictable ways. One has only to look at a map to understand that Ukraine will never be free of Russian influence any more than Mexico will ever be free of American influence. By the way, consider this; Russia dominates Cuba and blocks our egress to and through the Gulf of Mexico. H-m-m-m, wonder what our reaction would be?

  3. Fan of Entropy July 7, 2017 at 9:34 am #

    Excellent post, Jim.

    I have no doubt that Trump will roll over and show Putin his belly, then utter some incoherent and vaguely threatening blather in a week’s time.

    Such is the state of the western world’s superpower. BTW, what was that horseshit tripe in Poland yesterday? Trying to parse his words is a mug’s game, if you ask me.

    • Quatermain July 7, 2017 at 10:00 am #

      I don’t think you read the article. Obviously you didn’t listen to Trump’s speech.

      • Fan of Entropy July 7, 2017 at 11:03 am #

        Actually, I did read the article. Trump is going in cold, without a coherent plan on what to talk about, or what the goals of the meeting would be. I don’t buy into the Russia hysteria either, but you don’t meet a world leader without some discussion points unless you want to come up empty-handed on the other end. Hence my “show his belly” comment.

        And you’re right, I didn’t listen to the speech, I read the transcript. Gave the Poles several history lessons, listed some Polish historical figures, watch out for the jihadists, watch out for the Russians, and we’re the greatest community of nations in the world – the best!

        • Yuri Sowryteski July 7, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

          Fan of Entropy – In the q & a following the speech, he mentioned the intell on Iraq’s WMD’s in 2002 was wrong – claimed 100% certainty, and then proved 100% wrong. ” …. that was a big mess …” he said.

          He seems to get one point many Americans miss: Intell lies for the MIC investors.

          • baldski July 7, 2017 at 7:16 pm #

            Yuri: Are you telling me that Cheney did not go over to CIA hq and tell them to find a reason to invade Iraq? For which the CIA head was awarded the Freedom medal by Dubya.

  4. 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 9:42 am #

    Russia is simply an impediment to a global order. Their recalcitrance and rather insular perspective is anathema to the globalists. China is inextricably linked to the western fronted global order. The Chinese ruling apparatus would never survive the economic ruin were they to buck too far from the new world order game plan.

    • pequiste July 7, 2017 at 11:18 am #

      Right….especially when they become the world’s largest economy if they haven’t already; institute a contemporary Sino-version of the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (with a tip o’ the hat to their old nemesis Japan;) and have the Renminbi coins become specie and back the rest by gold. To top it off trading their petro-dollar surplus for some more of the U.S.A’s. critical assets (ports/mines/agricultural land/factories) which would make quite a fine pile of investment and bargaining chips.

      The Chinese would like a NWO of their invention – rather like gunpowder, glasses and moo goo gai pan – not that of Wall Street, the CIty of London , George Soros or the Rothschilds.

      Maybe their new-found leadership in quantum computing can bring them to that end?

  5. Dumbedup July 7, 2017 at 9:47 am #

    For the life of me I cannot understand why it could be a bad thing for Trump and Putin to discuss ways to collaborate to end the civil war in Syria and defuse the N. Korean threat. They might be able to solve the Ukraine issue once and for all as well. Is it all about money for weapons or is it some residual feelings about the end of WWII written on the bathroom walls of the Pentagon? To me it seems like “Red Scare 2.0”.

    From time to time I listen to Putin interviews on Youtube (translations) and quite frankly he seems to more of a statesman than anyone in the US. He knows there is no benefit to Russia to alienate the US and we should know there is no benefit to alienate Russia.

    If it were me I was say to him,

    “We would like to work jointly with Russia to resolve the civil war in Syria and perhaps address wider issues throughout the Middle East and North Africa. We would also like to work with you and President Xi to end the nuclear threat posed by North Korea.”

    But I suppose if he did that the “Deep State” would say, “see, they are too chummy and it is evidence that Trump collaborated with the Russians in 2016 and he is a Putin puppet posing as President of the US” or some other such nonsense. That would be followed by Congressional inquiries and investigations and all sorts of intrigue.

    The trouble is that Trump is not a communicator – either to foreign leaders or the American public. That makes him unpopular and an unpopular President cannot convince people to support him against the deep state proxies who are opposed to peace.

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    • JMR July 7, 2017 at 10:37 am #

      But see you’re thinking and writing like a rational human being. Unfortunately the people in power in the US are not rational and driven by greed and/or some idea of US hegemony. The weapon dealers and bankers don’t want peace and they make sure that those who can wage war do.

    • elysianfield July 8, 2017 at 10:21 am #

      But I suppose if he did that the “Deep State” would say, “see, they are too chummy and it is evidence that Trump collaborated with the Russians in 2016 and he is a Putin puppet posing as President of the US”

      Trump is Putin’s puppet. Yes, you cannot spell “Rasputin” without “Putin”….

  6. earltwitty July 7, 2017 at 9:59 am #

    Your telling me tweeting is not communicating!

    • Zoltar July 7, 2017 at 10:15 am #

      Your grammar betrays the fact that you are a tweeter.

      • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:30 am #

        And it is not even three AM.

  7. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2017 at 10:01 am #

    Huston, we have a contact!

    Putin-Trump: The First Handshake


    I think that they will discuss very important issues, but we will not know very soon which ones. And all that we will see and learn is the theater, and approach to what we will see and learn as to the theater: tragedy/comedy, catharsis/no catharsis. Trump is a very good actor; let’s see what kind of a director he is!

  8. wm5135 July 7, 2017 at 10:06 am #

    The trip to the G20 and the meeting of the American in Chief with Mr. Putin will be reported with all of the quality, texture and refinement of “THE EMPEROR’S NEW CLOTHES”.


  9. janet July 7, 2017 at 10:12 am #

    Russia exerted its right to occupy Crimea based on the history JHK relates, much the way Mexico is taking back its territory in SW USA, except Mexico is not using its tanks in La Reconquista.

    La Reconquista is a nonviolent takeback of historic Mexican territory that was taken from Mexico by force. After WW2 the Germans and Japanese had to return all territories they had acquired by force. If Crimea belongs to Russia, then the SW USA belongs to Mexico.

    • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:28 am #

      They prefer using weed-eaters.

      • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 10:42 am #

        Mexico had possession of the SW USA for a mere 35 years.
        It actually belongs to the Spanish.

        • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:53 am #

          And it actually belonged to Native Americans before that!

          I understand your mistake. In our twenty-first century Native Americans are assumed not to and never to have existed. The concept of their presence in our past or in our present is now passé.

          • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 11:10 am #

            Don’t be so presumptuous. I know exactly of what I speak. The society, the towns, villages, the networks, links of missions and pueblos and ports were all developed by the Spanish. Mexico simply assumed them. Before the Spanish there were scattered tribes, but no extensively networked and linked societies, particularly in the Californias. Don’t mistske subsisting for civilization.

          • Yuri Sowryteski July 7, 2017 at 12:08 pm #


            good point K-Dog.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 1:39 pm #

            Yeah we conquered them, Kdog and took their land for ourselves. We created the United States of America and thus are the Native Americans. It’s not hard guy, but you have to try to overcome your conditioning.

            Are you willing to become a slave of the Indians? Give up your home if one of them knocks on a door and says, “You’re living on stolen land?”. No, right? So wtf? Get over it. It’s bullshit. You want other Whites to do that instead so you don’t have to? To be forced out? Bullshit.

            You don’t think it would come to that? Why not? If you give a whole group a moral blank check, why not? Once it got started, everyone would be claiming to be Indian – even as many do now. You think all those casinos are “Indian”?

            Never give anyone a blank check, financial or moral.

          • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 1:52 pm #

            It appears this bears repeating, but the indigenous tribes were simply bested by non-indigenous tribes. If Polynesians or Inca tribes sailed to present day California in the late 15th century and proceeded to conquer NOBODY would be complaining. Europeans, however, are held to a higher moral standard. This is the true racism. Demanding more from white Europeans. Ironic.

          • benr July 7, 2017 at 1:55 pm #

            Actually the entire country was occupied but not owned by natives.
            As a human with 25% Cherokee I would like to say hands off the Southwest Mexico you have already showed an inability to manage anything.
            In fact the peasants fleeing Mexico because they can’t earn a living under that corrupt third world country proves America Showed have annexed Mexico instead of giving anything back.

          • My Point of View July 7, 2017 at 5:02 pm #

            @benr, the USA was about to annex all of Mexico after the 1848 war, but as usual, some white asshole racist stood up and killed the idea. That asshole was John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, which is still about the most racist state in the nation.

          • ZrCrypDiK July 7, 2017 at 5:21 pm #

            “anything goes and nothing matters”

            For Capitalism, any man would give his only begotten son…

            “… without ever specifying exactly how Russia might have “interfered.””

            I have it on good authority, that the “3-letter-acronym-club-boyies” (CIA/NSA/DHS/etc) were spoofing Russian IP’s when they *haXoRed*… Smoke and mirrors, baY-b33 – nuthin’ to see over THERE, at the Oligarch headquarterz…

    • Beryl of Oyl July 7, 2017 at 10:32 am #

      I thought a Conquistador was a European who took over Mexico by force.

    • hmuller July 7, 2017 at 10:39 am #

      Janet, by your logic we should give all of the continent back to the Native Americans and return to Europe, Africa, or wherever. You’re comparing what the Germans occupied for 5 years to what Americans have settled and occupied for 170 years?! With a mind like that, you must teach at a college.

      In my opinion, it’s a little late to reverse what happened in 1845 with the annexation of the southwest. Was it moral? No, but that’s how human history usually plays out. At what point in time do you accept the reality of today and quit trying to right the wrongs of accumulated centuries?

      If living under the Mexican government is so wonderful and merits a reconquista, why have millions of Mexicans eagerly crossed the border to get away from that system?

      Maybe you should urge Israel to give back what they took by force in 1948 and 1967 while you’re at it. See what reaction you get.

      • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 10:45 am #

        Ha! That’s funny, you paired, or more apropos, pared, logic with WPA

        • hmuller July 7, 2017 at 11:02 am #

          What is WPA? Wifi Protected Access? Works Public Administration? Women Promoting Agendas? I honestly don’t know.

          • capt spaulding July 7, 2017 at 11:10 am #

            My grandfather was in the WPA back in the thirties. He said it stood for Work, Piss, and Argue.

          • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 11:12 am #

            Janet’s retired nom de plume

      • Zoltar July 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm #

        No, Israel will no more “give back” Palestine than we will give Mexico back “our” southwest, but you may assured that they will eventually revert to their former owners.
        As for “subsistence” vs “civilization,” I regard Native American culture as having been more civilized than The Inquisition and the Conquistadors.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 1:44 pm #

          Many tribes practiced cannibalism, at least occasionally. And of course there was the torture cult of the Iroquois and Algonquins among others.

          The Comanche used to steal women. So White Texans set up a meeting to try and buy 200 of their women back. But instead, the Comanche showed up with one girl – covered in bruises and missing a nose. The Comanche women had burned it off in a rage of jealousy. The Texans freaked out and just started shooting the Comanche. Ever after, the Comanche hated them for this great wrong. They were just doing honest business!

          • capt spaulding July 7, 2017 at 2:04 pm #

            Remind me to never make a deal with you.

        • elysianfield July 8, 2017 at 10:33 am #

          I regard Native American culture as having been more civilized than The Inquisition and the Conquistadors.

          You may be, permit me, another apologist who reads fiction as fact…while cherry picking history to boot.

          Charles Manson was more civilized than Ted Bundy….

          Richard Speck was more civilized than Hitler….

          Hitler was more civilized than Vlad the Impailer….

          Spider man has better super powers than Wonder Woman….

      • aibohphobia July 7, 2017 at 3:32 pm #

        hmuller et al., The Southwest is already annexed, it’s a done deal to a large extent. As an example, I have a brother who moved from Oregon to Texas. He is now learning Spanish as fast as he can, in order not to be a third-class citizen.
        That said, for the most part he tells me the Hispanic Texans are mostly friendly and play nicely for the most part. But if you want to understand what they are talking about in Spanish, and if you want to do business, you have to learn Spanish.
        I hope that, if a change of borders happens sometime in the future, the new Hispanic masters of the former US Southwest will have the sense to abandon the patronage system that has kept Mexico (and Spain for that matter) in the dark ages for so long.

    • James Howard Kunstler July 7, 2017 at 11:41 am #

      That’s horse shit. Crimea has been Russian territory for more than 90 percent of the past 200 years. — JHK

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 3:55 pm #

      Actually, they did not use tanks. Actually, they held a referendum and people voted. Actually, not a shot was fired. The people are mostly ethnic Russians and speak Russian. And actually, it is not an occupation. Crimea is fully a part of Russia.

      Why do you hate Russia? It is incomprehensible and sad to me how people pick up on the warmongering of our leaders and the deep state behind them. Why cannot Russia be left alone to recover from a 70 year nightmare? How come we were at cold war with them upon their communism and now that they have thrown that off, we hate them anyway? Why are you not more suspicious of all the warmongering? You who thinks we ought not to even have a military? If you’re going to go along with all the warmongering and demonizing of Russia, you better be wanting a military! Do you lust for war?

      You are a pretense. You pretend to care about human beings and want world peace, but you want Russia torn to shreds, so you never really meant anything you said. Russia does nothing, and is hated. All the other countries are complicit in bombing the middle east and colonizing Africa, etc. We constantly hear of our “interests” thousands of miles away, but when an aggressor (us) relentlessly pursues the destruction of another country, we blame them for the feeblest attempts at survival. Russia has no legitimate interests, even in the face of our obvious desire to tear them apart and render them helpless. Mean, mean Russia for wanting the right to live.

      • Linda July 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm #

        Great response, Sophia. Asoka AKA Janet has no critical thinking skills.

      • Billy Hill July 8, 2017 at 8:06 am #

        Janet, formerly WPA, might as well name herself (oops, gender! Oh My!) DNC.

        She posits the latest DNC talking points. We react. The CFN barnyard is in effect a focus group.

        Not sure how her anti-MIC fits into the DNC weltanschauung but this is indicative of the intellectual paradox within The Left regarding their embrace of National Security State.

        It could be merely an alliance of convenience: The enemy of my enemy (Trump) is my friend. This is principle of a sort — pragmatic rather than doctrinaire. Whether it is honest is questionable, but at this point in our collective undoing we must ask, “what is truth?”

  10. K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:26 am #

    Another week of disgusting manipulations by our Central Interdiction Agency. I came across a magazine recently put out by ‘M.I.T.’ press’ lying around our break room at work waiting to lie to anyone who picked it up and read it.

    There was an article, total nerd porn, which claims the Dutch inquiry into the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 located the Russian launch vehicle (in Russia) that shot down the jet with the conclusive proof that computer analysis of photos of rubber vehicle tire mud guard shadow patterns had made a fingerprint sort of match. Something like that. A high tech serving of total bullshit.

    Destruction of critical faculties and the promotion of unreality has spanned all levels of the American Education system. The decision was made at the highest levels of our bureaucracy that a stupid population would be a more easily governed and manipulated citizenry years ago and I don’t need fabricated, unseen and unpublished areal photographs to reach that conclusion.

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    • michael July 7, 2017 at 7:57 pm #

      If people were too stupid to recognize the ruse there woud be mitigating circumstances. But the are not. They eagerly latch on to what they perceive is the direction current winds are blowing.

      They want to go with the flow along the path of least resistance. They are not troubled by the lies and false accusations. Do such people have a soul? And if they do not, are they human? And if they are not, are they not fit for destruction?

  11. Walter B July 7, 2017 at 10:31 am #

    Yes James, America’s lust for war would be the correct answer. Or at least the Military-Industrial Complex’s NEED for war to fuel the profits that they can never get enough of. For those that dislike such a conspiracy inferring title then how about those businesses that make up some 65% of the American economy that make and sell instruments of death, war and destruction to any country or every despot that is willing to overthrow the government of a nation that is not already in bed with the DC scum? If you take note, the current list of “Bad Guys” (Russia, China, Iran, NK) all manufacture their own weapons of death and war and do not really buy ours (and are doing so at increasingly alarming rates) well I think that it pretty much tells the tale in itself doesn’t it.

    Please do not whine about this all being doom and gloom anybody, because if more people in this world would make it a point of singing out more often and with more volume, perhaps those who monitor us all on a real time basis would get the point and find other, less violent ways to go about their business. Nope, I don’t really believe that, but by our silence do we condone and even make approval of the American policy of endless war and death for profit.

    • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:40 am #

      Do you really think that ‘those who monitor us all on a real time basis’ are capable of getting the point? They are getting paychecks and ‘fighting terrorism’. That is a witches brew that will dull the critical brain paths of just about everybody. Why would less violent ways to go about their business even be sought when it is working so well. You assume a conscience where there is none.

      • Walter B July 7, 2017 at 11:03 am #

        No K-D I do not think that they care nor will they change. The only point that I really CAN make is that by our silence we condone, if not actually APPROVE of such action. I fight the system myself from the inside at my small, local level and I can assure you that even this is an impossible task. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, I have no other option but to give it my best effort or perish in the attempt. Quit Ye Like Men my Dad’s Peekskill Military Academy badge still proclaims and it appears that I have taken that message seriously.

        Oh and BTW, NO they have no conscious nor do they care for any of us. We are but chattel to them and always have been, always will be. Where there ever any leaders who cared? Perhaps, I certainly hope there were, but not anymore. Greed and avarice have infected the ranks of those at the top and those maladies are always fatal, at least for us.

        • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 3:52 pm #

          By our silence we survive. I have tried making noise about it and found that they will destroy you. Get you in trouble with the IRS. Cancel your credit cards. Follow you around to drive you crazy. They learns that from the Brits. Intercept and scramble your emails, the list goes on.

          At the end of the day when they have exhausted you will be right back where you started because the most disturbing thing you will learn on your pointless odessy is that NOBODY cares. It is the bystander phenomena on steroids or everyone knows one man protests against the deep state is pointless..

          In the book ‘1984’ Winston faced a cage of rats, pun intended. In deep state America there is no need to be so dramatic. Taking away your plastic money is more effective and everyone has a sad story so while you can know what is happening to you nobody else will. Rather will will respond to you like you emit a foul odor should you try and tell your story.

          I am the voice of experience on this. All the things I mention have happened to me when I learned Asoka’s secret and I. broke no laws!

          • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 3:57 pm #

            Rather they will respond to you as if you emit a foul odor.

            I correct a typo, my subject is the miasma of mediocrity and common cowardice.

          • Walter B July 7, 2017 at 7:50 pm #

            Your nobody care remark kicked me squarely in the groin and dropped me like a rock for it is exactly what we found during this last Primary Election cycle. NOBODY cares. So many people in our door to door, event by event, person to person told us exactly that, they do not care about pretty much anything. Hell, they do not even care about their own span and while they may not actually come out and admit to that one, their actions are the proof of the statement. It is so very sad that those few of us who actually still care are more often then not depressed and wondering why it is that we still keep trying. Perhaps I am just stupid.

          • sophia July 7, 2017 at 8:24 pm #

            Walter B, there is conscience and there is conscious. Two different words, often confused. You meant conscience.

            K Dog, phenomena is the plural, and phenomenon is the singular. You meant phenomenon.

          • sophia July 7, 2017 at 8:31 pm #

            Walter, do not be discouraged. Once you understand our predicament you will understand the importance of faith. Our predicament, as Janos pointed out, is that we live in the Devil’s Kingdom, or as I put it, we’re in hell NOW.

            It explains so much. Why we are locked up here in solitary with so little communication. Why we are kept in the dark. Why the bad guys are always in charge. Why the lies are everywhere and everywhen. And that hell the Christians talk about? It is yet another subterfuge to distract us from noticing the bars of our prison, and of course to discourage us.

            How to make a jailbreak? The keys are to think for yourself and learn to understand, learn to disregard the misinformation; ponder until you understand the difference between good and evil, and have faith.

          • Walter B July 7, 2017 at 8:50 pm #

            I have understood all of that for a long time now Sophia, but thank you for your kindness. Kindness is such a pleasant thing to receive for it is rare these days. We certainly exist in the realm of the Fallen, but it is, after all, a test. I do not like to fail tests. May you fare well in your test as well. Sounds as though you are well prepared.

    • BackRowHeckler July 7, 2017 at 11:23 am #

      Lust for war? Americans seem like the least militarized and least aggressive people on the planet. What lust for war?


      • seawolf77 July 7, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

        You’re being sarcastic I hope.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:49 pm #

          No, he’s sad. War is his religion and that has to be kept on the down low in polite society. Robert E Lee said that in a letter to a colleague: we can’t admit how much we enjoy war.

          BRH should have been a Hindu. Bhagavad Gita is fine with men of his type. But of course, he hates Eastern Religions. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t be an American who secretly loves war.

  12. Beryl of Oyl July 7, 2017 at 10:38 am #

    The New York Times put out a few erroneous statements in their reporting on that “Doctor Henry Bello”, I noticed.
    It’s almost as if all their reporting has to pass through some sort of filter, to make sure it doesn’t interfere with an agenda we aren’t supposed to know about.

  13. AKlein July 7, 2017 at 10:43 am #

    Who was it who said in politics nothing happens by chance? Further, I think it’s also a truism that in politics nothing happens through sheer stupidity either. (Perhaps I should alter that make that a “rarely does anything happen by stupidity.”) My point is that the editors of the the NYT are likely not being stupid. They are just being obedient toadies. The real question is to whom are they toadying and what is the objective of those to whom they toady. It seems to many observers (me included) that the objective is to goad Putin into war. Now we all know that a war will quickly become nuclear and we (i.e. the public) will not be spared. So, given that this disturbing observation is rational, it’s pretty clear that those to whom the NYT toadies are not very concerned about that. Interesting, no? They must think that they won’t be incinerated with the rest of us. I am not stating this an opinion, but I am saying that this dynamic seems quite logical,

    • K-Dog July 7, 2017 at 10:46 am #

      In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. – Franklin D. Roosevelt

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 1:49 pm #

      The RICO Act was created to combat entities like CNN, the NY Times, and the Clinton Foundation. Trump has triumphed over them, but only for a season. He must strike now while on top.

    • Sean Coleman July 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm #

      I am increasingly convinced that lots of important things do happen by accident and stupidity.

    • michael July 7, 2017 at 8:12 pm #

      The elite may survive in shelters but won’t be able to emerge to the surface then ruled by fierce cannibals. Thy will have to remain subterrainian indefinitely and dwindle away one by one down to the last man woman and child.

  14. venuspluto67 July 7, 2017 at 11:10 am #

    We’re living in an episode of The Twilight Zone now, so we may as well just get used to it. 😛

    • seawolf77 July 7, 2017 at 1:29 pm #

      That would make Kunstler Rod Serling. Cool!

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 1:52 pm #

      Yeah who would have ever dreamed of men have sex in public, and that people would bring their kids to see it? Gay marriage? Drag Queens being give access to Kindergartens? Transgenders, either “real” or virtual being given access to women’s bathrooms?

      It’s a mad house. A mad house!

  15. FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2017 at 11:24 am #

    It seems to many observers (me included) that the objective is to goad Putin into war == AKlein

    Correction: the objective is to goad Russia and the US into war against each other, and yes, the war will be nuclear. Who could benefit from such war? Sure not the US or Russian oligarchs, not the proverbial Military Industrial Complex. Not even the CIA.

    It got to be a third party located outside both US and Russia.

    The primary suspect is the Sacred Roman Empire of the German Nation represented by the Fourth Reich of Angela Merkel.

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    • michael July 7, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

      And what exaclty is Merkel doing to goad America nd Russia intowar against each other. Please enlighten us.

  16. 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 11:29 am #

    Leonidas purportedly replied something along the lines of, “If I were not better than you I would not be king”. This stark truth alone eats away at those bested in today’s America, from the corporate propagandists to the career politicians, bureaucrats, and deep state players. Bested.

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 8:49 pm #

      ? Who bested them?

      • 100th Avatar July 8, 2017 at 12:13 am #

        A developer with a hat, an airplane, a microphone, and Roger Stone.

  17. Jeremy July 7, 2017 at 11:31 am #

    sp. – “without every specifying…”

  18. pequiste July 7, 2017 at 11:31 am #

    Q: WHo are the “Stupid?”

    A: By far, the world’s largest tribe (all races, creeds and national origins are members.)

  19. thwack July 7, 2017 at 11:32 am #

    That last question applies equally to the incessantly repeated trope that Russia interfered in the 2016 US election. What is supposedly at issue? The New York Times has been making this empty allegation for a year now, without every specifying exactly how Russia might have “interfered.” –JHK


    Indeed, they still can’t come up with a clear description of what the Russians actually did besides vague and obtuse terms like “tampered” “meddled”, “hacked”

    Im waiting for them to use the term “niggled”

    • capt spaulding July 7, 2017 at 2:02 pm #

      How about niggardly?

      • thwack July 7, 2017 at 2:14 pm #


        “niggardly” would discredit the seriousness of the charge they are alleging.

        Its supposed to be a serious charge right?

  20. mow July 7, 2017 at 11:38 am #

    ” Vlad , your vodka and caviar suck ”

    Boom !

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  21. janet July 7, 2017 at 11:38 am #

    “Lust for war? Americans seem like the least militarized and least aggressive people on the planet. What lust for war?” –brh

    We are currently at war in seven countries. In the last decade we have bombed in 14 countries. What other country in the world has so much lust for war?

    • patrickd July 7, 2017 at 8:27 pm #

      Not just you, Janet, but to all of us who keep saying we are at war. We are not at war with any of those 7 countries, or the 14 countries. We are committing terrorism against those countries. War is when two militaries fight each other. Terrorism is when a military bombs civilians and destroys civilian infrastructure. The US is a terrorist state, not a war state, its aim is to terrorize the population so that its leaders finally say, “Okay, you can have your way with us.”

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 8:52 pm #

      So you admit we have more lust for war than Russia, yet somehow this time we are right to be aggravating them toward war in every possible way.

  22. BackRowHeckler July 7, 2017 at 11:43 am #

    How many Russian soldiers were lost at Kursk, Kiev and in the Crimea? I’d say Russia has paid for a good chunk of Ukrainian real estate with the blood of several million of its sons. Not that Russia should lord it over its neighbor to the west. But Ukraine is bound historically with Russia, indeed Historical Russia was founded in the Ukraine.

    these news organizations, CNN, New York Times and so on, do they really think its wise to provoke a war with a nation that has at its disposal 5000 nuclear warheads? Just because their chosen candidate lost an election?

    Meanwhile, on the homefront, our civilization continues to unravel. I’d say some of our major cities have become unlivable. This July 4 week, in Chicago, St Louis, Baltimore, it was smoking barrels, burnt gunpowder, hot lead and ventilated bodies on cold mortuary slabs as hundreds of young people were shot down in the streets. You might say the 4th was celebrated with a bang. Hartford and Bridgeport had some remarkable incidents too, including a young man gunned down in the streets because some Gangstas liked his designer eyeglasses, and decided they wanted them for their own. You can get killed on these streets pretty easy, for a pair of glasses, a pair of sneakers, or the wrong look.


    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 8:55 pm #

      They are not provoking war because they didn’t get their candidate. Their candidate promised war with Russia during her campaign.

  23. pequiste July 7, 2017 at 11:46 am #

    While the Putin – Trump meeting in Hamburg is certainly an important moment in contemporary U.S. – Russian relations, as is the entire G-20 summit, I think the actions in the street are more telling.

    It is being reported that tens of thousands of anti-globalization protesters have clashed violently with the polizei; water cannons and tear gas being used by the well decked-out German constabulary.

    Several questions immediately jump to mind having seen the scene on Tee Vee:

    – How come the protesters aren’t wearing protective gear as they do in Korea?

    – WHat would happen if the protesters came dressed up in SS uniforms, Hakenkreuz flags unfurled, ready to really fight the bastards, singing the HOrst Wessel Lied?

    – How would the authorities respond to protesters who were marching and rioting against the G-20 meeting and globalization in the name of Islam?

    – How come there are no German protests of the same caliber and tone against the refugee invasion of Germany? Are the Germans really that stupid??

  24. JimInFlorida July 7, 2017 at 12:08 pm #

    Jim (JHK), you came SO CLOSE to extrapolating how the “Newspaper of Record” will morph into George Orwell’s, “1984,” where there is no “record” of anything in the past other than what Big Brother says had happened. The NYT is establishing The Past for future researchers to discover.

    One of the fatal flaws of the internet is its unreliability where preserving truthful accounts of current events is concerned.

    Fifty years from now, when the World Made By Hand is a daily reality, all we will have of 2017 are hardcopies of the “Newspaper of Record.” The proto-Idiocracy of the future will have NO basis of comparison to believe otherwise.

    If “THE PAPER” said that Russia invaded the freedom-loving Crimeans (populated entirely of “janets”), and then built a Navy base over their flower gardens, then you can bet THAT will be the only record surviving into 2067 and that’s what will be taught in the skools. Every skool owned and operated by Carl’s Jr.

    • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 12:16 pm #

      15000 years ago a child brought some nuts into the family cave. The mother, recognizing them as toxic, promptly threw them into the fire along with the carcass of a rat she killed and an old threadbare loincloth. Obviously, archaeologists have determined that these people roasted nuts and rats in a ritualistic funeral fire. Making up shit is a science.

    • seawolf77 July 7, 2017 at 1:28 pm #

      The internet has made the daily commute to work almost irrelevant for most people in the information economy. Telecommuting, conference calls, Networked meetings, the whole virtual work world. The end result is that the WMBH future predicted here can be put off by enacting this protocol. That would take half the people off the roads easily. Frankly I’m amazed it hasn’t happened already.

  25. volodya July 7, 2017 at 12:29 pm #

    I dare you to try to not clap along:


    In my view the joint strategy of China and Russia is to use North Korea as the horn to horn the US out of North East Asia. Now, I think that China has the greater stake in extracting American forces but Russia would enjoy the immensity of American humiliation.

    You see the assessment in the US press and American talk shows all the time and I think the assessment is correct: just what the hell is the US prepared to do in the face of ever increasing North Korean provocation? Fight a bloody land war? Nuke North Korea and risk retaliation in kind?

    Everyone sez, there’s no good options. But I think this understates the case. There’s no options. The only option is for the US to get the fuck out. Strategic patience my ass. American weakness and irresolution are on full display. Too bad about the uncountable treasure and the lives the US expended in defending that neck of the woods from Chinese communist and crony capitalist predation. But those are sunk costs. Spilt milk. And he bald fact is that the US no longer has the military or economic wherewithal to be boss man over there.

    I wonder if the psychopath Boy Leader has the wit to realize that he’s being used. Maybe he does but maybe the expulsion of the hated Yankee fits his aims too. And of course there’s always the possibility that the Chinese undermining of “sanctions” props up his regime.

    I wonder if the idiots in the US foreign policy establishment can see it. I doubt it. They all think like Leon Panetta. He sez “we know how to do this. ” Yeah, if only.

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  26. RocketDoc July 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm #

    Without even a cursory attempt at research I will sit in my armchair and opine that Russian “interference” would simply be their attempt to find out salacious tidbits from the DNC by illegal means such as hacking accounts. Whatever was found could be used to embarrass Hillary and improve the Donald’s chances. The private emails, exposed, would make certain candidates “look bad”. As they in fact did. Is Watergate II (the hacking)the crime or is “meddling” in the election the crime? Perhaps the evil Russians even paid some small change to a list of presumptive anti-American bloggers that created the “appearance” of institutional malfeasance when all the sorely beset government is trying to do is bring peace, freedom, and prosperity to the world. In short, Russia pays chump change to alternative media to make a case that America’s own government is working for corporate interests rather than those of JQ Public. Does my government have my interests at heart in Ukraine, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and Libya? They might think they do so don’t want anyone asking for a lot of inconvenient evidence of that. It’s secret you know.
    If we are to be citizens, we have to “know” something and I’m afraid that 1) not many Americans have any interest in knowledge, wisdom, or even information and 2) the ability to acquire knowledge is limited by secrecy. As JHK has observed, our stories at the highest level are broken and replaced by self serving “spin”. We don’t have a coherent narrative to think about these issues and our leadership does not seem predisposed to guide us. Hence all our complaints of veniality and greed.

  27. janet July 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm #

    Speaking of Suicide by Stupidity

    220 Cities Losing All Passenger Train Service per Trump Elimination of all Federal Funding for Amtrak’s National Network Trains


    This is just one way Trump is destroying America, particularly white rural America who voted for him.

  28. el-g-el July 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm #

    Thank you, Mr. Kunstler, your analysis is “spot-on”!

  29. sprawlcapital July 7, 2017 at 1:02 pm #

    US foreign policy towards Russia and domestic policy towards the ideology of Bolshevism/Communism has been guided by something other than the best interests of the American people, or by concern for the well-being of the rest of the world, for well-on 100 years.

    Why did we need the Palmer Raids? (1919)

    Why did we send troops to Siberia? (also 1919)

    How did it serve the American people to fight a war in Vietnam?

    On that last point, all will recall that we lost the Vietnam war, with the net result of zero loss of freedom in this country. I honor the sacrifice of Vietnam veterans, but there is nothing to thank them for. Their sacrifice was for less than nothing–it resulted in tens of thousands of innocent Vietnamese killed, all included in Def. Sec. Bob McNamara’s idiotic ‘body count”.

    We need a military to defend our borders and our shores, but in my lifetime that has not been the role of the military. Not when some 11 million illegal aliens occupy our land. On 9/11 our military was not even able to defend their own office building.

    • Zoltar July 7, 2017 at 1:19 pm #

      On 9/11 our military was prevented from defending the WTC. The planning and coordination required to keep a pair of airliners from flying into those towers was remarkable.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:04 pm #

      11 million? The same number that has been stated for twenty years? You don’t really believe that I hope. The Hispanic invaders alone are probably three times that number.

      • sprawlcapital July 7, 2017 at 2:24 pm #

        Right. I was giving the standard low estimate. I also heard it stated recently that there may be 30 to 40 million illegals.

        • capt spaulding July 7, 2017 at 8:46 pm #

          Mexico will defeat the US, not by force of arms, but with their fecundity.

  30. nsa July 7, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

    Big Bobbie McNamara estimated the overall SE Asian body count at 4 to 5 million dead, mostly civilians…….so doesn’t count as a genocide as the magic number is (((6 million))).

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    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm #

      If not a genocide, certainly a massacre. Not something to be proud of.

    • S M Tenneshaw July 8, 2017 at 3:09 am #

      You appear to be suffering from dementia blowcox. Seek help.

  31. seawolf77 July 7, 2017 at 1:20 pm #

    Russia has every right to look out for its national interests, as do we. But America is in no position to lecture Russia. The Ukraine is not Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan or any of the other countries we’ve stuck our military dildo in. As far as I know combat or even violence is pretty low. We bombed Vietnam and Iraq back tot he stone age.

  32. Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter July 7, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

    Great article! Daniel Greenfield also wrote a good piece yesterday on why the Left is sooo anti-Russian for the nonce.


    Between the anti-Trumpers and the War Mongers, the bases are pretty well covered.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  33. KesaAnna July 7, 2017 at 1:40 pm #

    ” … WEAK … ”

    i have seen a lot of this negative characterization the past 40 years.

    Both Nazis and Liberals , and even people who claim to be Christians on Sunday, are fond of using it in the same way as the N – word .

    It is code for ; Being an unreasonable brute is a virtue.

    Nine times out of ten the heroes in your fiction are brutes who, outside of fiction, you would never want to hire to wash your car , or want to invite to dinner , or share a confidence with , or hang out in the vicinity of .

    Men are supposed to respect and work with women , but it is the worst jerk who gets to fuck the prom queen.

    don’t be too hard on women though.

    Increasingly a woman is valued not in proportion to the degree in which she reflects positive femininity

    but to the degree that she most resembles what is worst in masculinity.

    Locally , in criminal justice , in relation to your fellow citizens , it means the ONLY available option is heavier and heavier applications of brute force.

    Zero – tolerance policies against blue plastic water pistols ( even though we exalt real guns in every way. )

    stigmatize a 50 year old and make the 50 year old eat all kinds of shit , because the 50 year old spit on a sidewalk at the age of 12.

    On the larger stage ;
    Even Hitler and Stalin and North Korea had to cook up rationales for ruthless aggression.

    but, increasingly , the only necessary rationale is that , gosh , otherwise you might appear weak !!

    So, increasingly , fantastically, the ONLY option you leave YOURSELF is nuclear war , Gotterdammerung.

    • KesaAnna July 7, 2017 at 1:46 pm #

      For example , both Janos and Janet are fond of knocking down their opponent with the the characterization that their opponent is weak.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:10 pm #

        Yes, it is a crime for a Leader to be weak. That’s just logical given that the World is the Devil’s Kingdom – one of the basic axioms of Christianity if they would only teach it.

        Knowing this subliminally if not consciously, women select for strength. A google report recently found that more women view violent porn than men. Thus you are vindicated in your view of women’s sexuality. Now stop separating it from the rest of their psyche and the world at large. They know what’s out there, instinctively. You, lost in your intellect, have gone astray.

        Freud’s rape fantasy paradigm? Vindicated.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:18 pm #

      Remember, God is not the World. The deepest parts of ourselves accord more with God. Keep them there with Him and go join them. If you go OUT, trying to peddle your idealism door to door, you’ll lose both. Thus the Church, in its Wisdom, had many vocations for many kinds of men (and that includes womb men). For those who want to stay IN, they had monasteries and nunneries. For those who wanted to go OUT, there were other honorable paths – and lower moral standards. You who would try to impose the counsels of perfection on the World will simply lose your nation and your very self.

      Protestant, right? You folks forgot even the little you retained once the Puritan Culture of Virtue Display triumphed on this Continent. Christ will make all things right when He returns, not you and yours. Your penance? Read the Catholic Flannery O’Connor. She’s your best friend now.

      • sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:35 pm #

        So, Janos, you think we need more of the same, ad infinitum? If we keep our deepest parts of ourselves inert, and in fact they can be and often are almost without influence upon the person, this is just the way the world is and so then if we all take your advice it will be endless brutality and no spiritual progress.

        Whose side are you on?

        • Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 12:51 am #

          Serving people – especially aliens of another culture – is fraught with peril. Christ said go out and make disciples of all nations. So we did that and Africa is now overpopulated and coming here. What would Christ say about that? Or erasing our border with Latin America? Who knows? But most Christian bobos are in favor of it cuz it’s “nice”. Nice is a disease you see.

          As Treebeard (LOTR) said, “I’m on no one’s side because no one is on mine.” Thank God I lived long enough to see our People begin to awaken again at least. Perhaps we will throw off the Liberals and Zionists yet. Even you must admit that Western Women have gone mad with their “Refugees Welcome” signs. One girl’s sign said “Rapists not Racists”. Is that what Christ meant when He said, “I’ve come to give you Life and more abundantly.”?

          You still don’t get it: People are bad. You make policy on that basis. And you don’t invite other bad people in since always have your hands full with your own wretched people.

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:17 pm #

      Hear, hear.

      And Janos, I do believe that you misunderstood what KesaAnna wrote yesterday.

  34. Gonga Din July 7, 2017 at 1:56 pm #

    Nobody ever expects the evolutionary cul-de-sac.


  35. volodya July 7, 2017 at 2:13 pm #

    Kesa Anna, the US is “weak” in the sense that when other powers challenge American presumptions about who’s running what, the US has no response.

    The North Koreans sunk a South Korean warship. What did the US do about it? The North Koreans conduct nuclear and missile tests. They say they’ll have missiles that can reach US shores. With NUKES. And what does the US do in response?

    The Chinese are fortifying islands that they and other nations claim as their own. They know that possession in the international sand-box is ten tenths of the law, to the extent, that is, that “law” has any application. In any case, the Chinese asked nobody’s permission, least of all America’s, and in response to Chinese action, the US did nothing.

    The list is a long one and every instance refutes American suppositions of American power and leadership. The US just doesn’t have the power to compel, no matter its pretensions to the contrary.

    You can argue who has the higher moral or legal standing in all these disputes, but “power” doesn’t care who has the better legal case or spiffier lawyers. “Power”, pretty much by definition, starts with the business end of a gun.

    I wouldn’t call being an unreasonable brute a virtue, but the ability to inflict violence sometimes holds people that are even more unreasonable at bay. IOW it has its uses.

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    • daveed July 7, 2017 at 3:33 pm #

      “The North Koreans sunk a South Korean warship. What did the US do about it? The North Koreans conduct nuclear and missile tests. They say they’ll have missiles that can reach US shores. With NUKES. And what does the US do in response?”

      Just exactly how would you respond, please?

      • elysianfield July 8, 2017 at 10:59 am #

        “Just exactly how would you respond, please?”

        Advise China that if they do not curb their pet, that we will aid South Korea and…Japan in becoming nuclear states with a transfer of missile technology sufficient for both to develop their own missiles…offensive and defensive both.

        • elysianfield July 8, 2017 at 11:00 am #

          Sorry, forgot Taiwan….

          • Elrond Hubbard July 8, 2017 at 4:42 pm #

            Nuclear proliferation is not a game. What the world needs is the exact opposite.


          • Billy Hill July 8, 2017 at 5:51 pm #

            Right on Elrond. And while they’re at it revive the Kellogg- Briand Pact.

          • elysianfield July 8, 2017 at 9:01 pm #

            “Nuclear proliferation is not a game.”

            Nuclear proliferation is a reality…deal with it.

            Threatening China with a nuclear Japan is how the game is played. The question proffered was what to do about North Korea…now you know.

            Too bad Canada does not have a statesman of the caliber and gravitas of a Dennis Rodman…are you, as a state, still in the game? What would Canada do about North Korea?

            What the world needs? Gimme a fucking break….

          • seawolf77 July 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm #

            Nuclear proliferation is a lie. Would we really have lost in Vietnam if we had a nuclear bomb? You really believe that? A couple on Hanoi and it would have been over and we passed. If you believe that I’ve got a lollipop to send you.

  36. Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:23 pm #

    The God Emperor and the Czar of all the Russias have met and it’s apparently going very well. Real Men – not Euro bitches (both male and female) who think they are making policy points by refusing to shake hands. The two understand each other and will decide the Fate of the World for the next thousand years.


    • daveed July 7, 2017 at 3:50 pm #

      “The two (God Emperor and the Czar) understand each other and will decide the Fate of the World for the next thousand years.”

      Yep. Nuclear Winter.

  37. Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:28 pm #

    The United Nations voted to ban Nuclear Weapons. The G20 abstained from the vote. Why would they give up their weapons in this the Devil’s Kingdom? That’s crazy. You silly poofs might “believe” in the goodness of the 3rd World and its people, but no sane person does, certainly not these powerbrokers. They pretend to believe in it when they want to transform or destroy nations, such as they did with South Africa and are doing with the rest of the West now. But they’re not going to simply hand over their Ace in the Hole. They’re evil, not stupid or crazy.

    • Elrond Hubbard July 8, 2017 at 4:44 pm #

      “They’re evil, not stupid or crazy.”

      Precisely why they need to be reined in.

  38. zekesdad July 7, 2017 at 2:42 pm #

    James; It’s too bad your history of Ukraine is so incomplete. With the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine became a nuclear armed independent country. It had in fact, the third biggest nuclear arsenal in the world which understandably caused a lot of angst to its neighbors and the rest of the world. In 1994 the Budapest Memorandum was signed by Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, the U.S., and the U.K. This pact guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty in exchange for it giving up its nuclear weapons. Russia’s invasion of Crimea as well as eastern Ukraine is a total violation of that pact, and the fact that the U.S. under Obama did nothing to help Ukraine did great damage to America’s credibility, and rewarded Russian aggression. It’s amazing that someone like Obama who was so anti-nuke would abandon the only country that actually has given up it’s weapons.
    Your assertion that Yanukovych’s ouster was mostly a result of Russian meddling is a gross over simplification. The Euromaidan wave of political unrest in 2013 was a result of Yanukovych’s suspension of an association agreement with the EU. As a result he was impeached by the Ukrainian Parliament and removed from office.
    You also conveniently ignore that Russia also bit off a piece of Georgia a few years ago. Maybe that’s why the U.S. stages war games near Russia’s border. It’s not America’s “lust for war”, it’s the threat by Russia to the post Cold War order that’s the issue. The aggressor is Russia not America.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2017 at 4:02 pm #


    • 100th Avatar July 7, 2017 at 7:27 pm #

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      “My pops hooked me up, yo”

      “Dammmmn Zeke how’d you get him to drop the cash fo those?”

      “I told him they’d get me straight A’s next quarta.

      “And he believe that?”

      “Yo, my dad believe anythin”

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:46 pm #

      We all believe our sources, but the sources I have read say that Russia has never invaded Ukraine.

      Crimea is a separate and special category, but I am sure that it is useless to argue the point. By an accident of history they lost their only seaport, so they should just lie down and die.

      By the way, Ukraine is still a sovereign nation.

    • James Howard Kunstler July 8, 2017 at 10:11 am #

      Zekesdad wrote:
      << Russia’s invasion of Crimea as well as eastern Ukraine is a total violation of that pact...>
      Well,, the US promised Russia in 1990 that it would not expand NATO if Russia turned over tons of unsecured nuclear material to the US. They complied… and we expanded NATO to their border. That was pretty shifty dealing. — JHK

      • Walter B July 8, 2017 at 8:21 pm #

        Shifty dealing, really? I thought it was just standard operating procedure. Ask the American Indians about the United States government and “treaties”. When it comes to the US government, if it is on paper then surely it cannot be of any value.

  39. Janos Skorenzy July 7, 2017 at 2:45 pm #

    Christ, “For the Prince of this World is coming, and he hath nothing in me.”

    While fasting in the desert, the Devil tempted him with all the Kingdoms of the World if he would but fall down and worship him. How could the Devil offer what he didn’t have? Refer to the above quote. He is the Prince and it is his to offer.

    • sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:48 pm #

      Worldly power and the seeking thereof is therefore wicked and not of God.

    • malthuss July 8, 2017 at 1:58 pm #

      Meher Baba explains that tale is symbolic of the 4th plane and its temptations.

  40. JohnAZ July 7, 2017 at 3:14 pm #

    Would four or five MOAB bombs strategically placed take care of the whole missle and warhead problems in NOKO? Is this up the US sleeve?

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    • thwack July 7, 2017 at 6:23 pm #

      No it would not.

      Matter of fact, it would probably make it worse.

      Asians are crafty, sneaky fighters, and the Norks are no exception.


      they all look alike.

      Just sayin

  41. John Howard July 7, 2017 at 3:30 pm #

    The left is freaking out that we are about to end gay marriage and ban transgender procreation. They really thought it would last.

    • daveed July 7, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

      “The left is freaking out that we are about to end gay marriage and ban transgender procreation.”

      Who is “we”? You and your buddies at the kegger?

      By the way…..did you hear what the ‘left’ is planning next?
      Mandatory Trans-Species Procreation!!! At FEMA camps!!

      • John Howard July 7, 2017 at 9:06 pm #

        We is Trump and Putin and me. Everyone but the Koch Brothers and their libertarian nerd lower friends.

  42. tucsonspur July 7, 2017 at 3:34 pm #

    When it comes down to it, this Lithuanian must side with NATO, not Russia. Of course we would rather neither, but smaller, weaker nations are forced to play their pawn positions with strategic sacrifice.

    Trump came to Poland, our Baltic neighbor, bolstering the West and ourselves with his presence.

    Lately it was “broken arrow”, then it was “savage wolf”, joint Lithuanian-NATO exercises, as if Russian invasion was imminent, and hordes of Cossacks would ravage our land. But who can tell the future, always full of peril?

    The glory days of Jagiello are gone, and we hope that now our soil is trodden by benevolent steps to long term peace and security.


    • FincaInTheMountains July 7, 2017 at 3:50 pm #

      All Lithuania has to do to provide for its own security and not get hit by the Iscander fist on their Polish muzzle is to strictly adhere to existing agreements on providing safe passage to Kaliningrad region.

      And they’ll be just fine.

      • tucsonspur July 7, 2017 at 4:17 pm #

        Good to know. Iskanders not good. Many are not aware of Kaliningrad.


        • Anon1970 July 7, 2017 at 10:37 pm #

          Kaliningrad,formerly Konigsberg, East Prussia, Germany, became part of the USSR at the end of WWII. Now part of Russia, but is separated from the rest of Russia by Latvia and Lithuania. Also shares a border with Poland.

  43. tucsonspur July 7, 2017 at 3:51 pm #

    Look at the “extruded fabricated agit-prop” from the NYT.


    Oh well, you get the idea—I think.

  44. janet July 7, 2017 at 6:28 pm #

    “Would four or five MOAB bombs strategically placed take care of the whole missle and warhead problems in NOKO?” –johnaz

    Would the resulting mass refugee exodus caused by our MOABs improve our relations with China and Japan?

  45. PeteAtomic July 7, 2017 at 7:00 pm #

    A war between the US and Russia would be horrific. There is no “limited war” vs. Russia. Amazing. I think these publications or people who would want to war vs. Russia DON’T KNOW RUSSIA.

    The Russians are a noble, tough people who would give you their last crumb of bread– or inversely, fight you until you were dead.

    Apparently whoever is pushing war v.Russia hasn’t read any history.

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    • capt spaulding July 7, 2017 at 8:55 pm #

      Trump asked Putin today whether Russia had interfered in our election, and Putin said he didn’t, so that’s one problem out of the way already. It’s been quite a while since Putin was a member of the KGB, so I think he’s got that kind of nonsense out of his system by now.

  46. dolph9 July 7, 2017 at 7:14 pm #

    I’m an Indian American (as in India, not native american), and I can report that my fellow Indian immigrants are clueless about everything.

    It’s not that I’m a self hating Indian. Rather, I get frustrated with clueless people. They just don’t care or understand anything. They think they are living the American dream, they have absolutely no idea what’s coming.

    • thwack July 7, 2017 at 8:26 pm #

      Don’t feel bad, I run into the same thing with black people.

      They think the only thing they have to worry about is the mass of white people collectivly turning right, and deciding to cut benefits, welfare, and “programs…”

      When I suggest/explain to them that a collapse could occur, despite their best efforts, that includes white people…; they just look at you like you are from Mars?

      Especially during 8 years of Obama.

      Now with Trump in office, they are a little more open to the idea that the entire system could collapse.

  47. Pucker July 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm #

    Lincoln and the Whig Party wanted to print money and inflation to order to create a corrupt system of patronage and cronyism to solidify their power. Sound Familiar?

    “When Lincoln became president, and the Southern Democrats had left the Congress, the old Whig coalition was finally entrenched in power. It immediately raised tariff rates ten times, commenced the building of a government-subsidized transcontinental railroad, and replaced the Independent Treasury System with a nationalized money supply. On February 25, 1862, the Legal Tender Act empowered the secretary of the Treasury to issue paper money (“ greenbacks”) that was not immediately redeemable in gold or silver. The National Currency Acts of 1863 and 1864 created a system of nationally chartered banks that could issue bank notes supplied to them by the new comptroller of the currency, and placed a 10 percent tax on state bank notes (currency issued by private banks chartered by state governments) to drive them out of business and establish a federal monetary monopoly for the first time in American history.”

    “Lincoln Unmasked”

  48. Pucker July 7, 2017 at 8:45 pm #

    What goes around, comes around….
    Keep that Sucker go’n….

    “It was the Lincoln administration that finally nationalized the nation’s money supply, after a seventy-year political battle. This ended once and for all the separation of money and state in America. As economist Murray Rothbard wrote in his treatise A History of Money and Banking in the United States, “In that way, the Republican Party, which inherited the Whig admiration for paper money and governmental control and sponsorship of inflationary banking, was able to implant the soft-money tradition permanently in the American system.” 12 As the government’s paper money flooded the banks, “greenback” dollars became so devalued that by July 1864 they were worth only 35 cents in gold, even though they were not issued until mid-1863. The Republican Party establishment created a system whereby almost all currency was issued by just a few Wall Street banks closely affiliated with the party.”

    “Lincoln Unmasked”

  49. Pucker July 7, 2017 at 8:57 pm #

    “A nationalized money supply helped transform America from a constitutional republic to an empire.”

    “Lincoln Unmasked”

  50. KesaAnna July 7, 2017 at 9:40 pm #

    I wouldn’t call being an unreasonable brute a virtue, but the ability to inflict violence sometimes holds people that are even more unreasonable at bay.

    In 1975 I would have said , ” Sure, of course. ”

    But Today ?

    It isn’t “sometimes “.

    it is every fucking day , all day.

    And it isn’t in Russia or Panama .

    It is the average American who recognizes no limit to authority in general, or even to to themselves specifically.

    In 1975 , even that late, a background check would have been considered an unsavory form of voyeurism .

    Today, a background check on the guy who mows the fucking lawn is a matter of course.

    Prudence ? Bullshit . It’s getting drunk on power.

    In 1975 , even that late, the seal of the confessional was considered only the right thing to do , and a police informant was considered a lower life form.

    Today, you might as well put up statues to Pavlik Morozov , except Americans wouldn’t even know who Pavlik Morozov was, which is to say they don’t even know the nature of the power they endorse exercising.

    Realism ?

    Practicality ?

    It is descent into utter barbarism and wallowing in it.

    ” “Power”, pretty much by definition, starts with the business end of a gun. ”

    Not at all.

    And I dare say , you know it doesn’t.

    I could put a gun to your head, and , sure, make you do whatever I want you to do , make you say whatever I want you to say.

    But , just between you and me, whisper to me, what would you do the moment my back was turned?

    My bet is you would fuck me over every way you possibly could.

    And you might be surprised to hear a Catholic say this , but I could not honestly fault you in that.

    I could say I’m putting a gun to your head because I love you, because I have to be cruel in order to be kind. But I am not God to judge that, and in any case that is a lie.

    If I loved you I might pay your internet bill, or do your laundry , or suck your dick , or occasionally send you a 50 cent birthday card .

    Putting a gun to your head when I don’t even know your fucking favorite color and calling it love is a lie.

    How you , yourself, react to brute force does not tell you something of the truth of it?

    If not , then there is nothing you can do for yourself , or for any other.

    Sparta was a society which even the richer, more powerful , Athenians LOOKED UP TO , were impressed by.
    Indeed , you had well-to-do Athenians who went to be merely equals in Sparta , when they could be princes in Athens.

    As long as Sparta only acted in defense……..

    Then Sparta turned aggressive , and in the span of a single generation Sparta fell apart. And they were reduced to whoring themselves out as mercenaries to their inferiors.

    Rome always was aggressive. But the Roman Empire every idiot lauds was primarily nose-picking Visigoths and Egyptian perverts ordering Romans around.

    If you envy or admire that…….uh….ok…..

    It’s rather glossed over that the Triumphs of Julius Caesar were staged in a Rome that was still primarily a village of wood , and no doubt so much is made of Caesar because , ha, his army actually was Roman , in Rome’s own equivalent of ancient history or the long gone good old days.

    Still, yes, I think force does have some uses.

    I suspect many of your apostles of aggression could have used a few good beatings as children , or some severe emotional abuse , or even some ugly abuse of another kind , so that they might become genuine realists , not paper and McMansion realists.

    But then no one seems to be into advocating that sort of use of force any more .

    Not least because it might put a crimp in the power-tripping of micromanaging families we don’t know, on behalf of children we don’t give a fuck about.

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  51. drmaya July 7, 2017 at 9:52 pm #

    Mr Kunstler

    Fact: The population of Crimea is 50% Russian, 40% Ukrainian and 10% Tartar. This is hardly an overwhelming Russian majority. In all other regions of Ukraine it is ethnic Ukrainians who are the majority population. The referendum outcome in Crimea was completely manipulated by the Russian government.

    Regardless of history, which I think is reasonably delivered by yourself, there is no question that Crimea belonged to Ukraine after the dissolution of the USSR. A look at the geographic map, among other things, shows this relationship to be obvious.

    Ukraine did of course rent the naval bases to Russia at a cost which allowed it to recoup the inflated price charged by Russia for its natural gas imports. This was up to 3 times the price charged to Europe for those same gas supplies and was a part of Russian strategy to destabilize the Ukrainian economy.

    How unfortunate that the Russian bear knows only the hammer.
    It could have helped create peace and stability in the region but instead chose the path of confrontation which only served to perpetuate Ukrainian hostility toward it. Russia does not possess the sophistication or diplomatic finesse to be a global leader. Shame on it and its leader.

    The sooner Ukraine becomes a member of the European Union the better off it will be. There is great disillusionment in Crimea today with life under the bear. Ukraine is looking pretty good in hindsight.

  52. Anon1970 July 7, 2017 at 10:14 pm #

    The US has been interfering in foreign elections and in the internal affairs of foreign governments throughout the postwar era when it suited its purposes. It played a role in deposing the elected Prime Minister of Iran in 1953, the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961 (to overthrow Castro), the overthrow and assassination of the Prime Minister of South Viet Nam in 1963, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 2003 and the overthrow of the elected Prime Minister of Ukraine in 2014. So what is the big deal if Russia interfered in the US election of 2016? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    The USSR lost about 20 million people in WWII. So it is understandable that the successor state, Russia, would be nervous about about US interference in Ukrainian affairs and its role in overthrowing its pro-Russian leader.

    I was in high school when the Cuban missile crisis flared up in 1962. The US and the USSR came close to war at that time. The Soviets agreed to withdraw their nuclear missiles from Cuba and the US promised not to invade the island. What the public was not told at that time was that the US also agreed to withdraw its nuclear missiles from Turkey. Part of Turkey’s border is with Georgia and Armenia, which were part of the USSR in 1962.

  53. Pucker July 7, 2017 at 10:32 pm #

    Lincoln is generally worshipped by the Utopians, including the Socialists and the Neocons, which is a big Red Flag.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 5:24 pm #

      Read “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter”. Few know the real Lincoln and his real struggle.

  54. KesaAnna July 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm #

    ” How unfortunate that the Russian bear knows only the hammer. ”

    Stalin supposedly once said that if he had had Hollywood , the purges would not have been necessary.

    Now I don’t think Stalin ever even visited America for a weekend.

    But i have been here 30 years , and he was absolutely right about the nature of things here.

    America has very good propaganda , and they lie as brazenly and shamelessly as small children.

    And that’s it.

    Now sticks and stones may break your bones —

    — but an effective liar you will suffer ’til the day you fucking die .

    But , granted, you didn’t say America , you said the EU.

    The back-stabbing Brits ?

    The French who abandoned their own Algerian French ?

    The Germans who haven’t sorted their shit out since Charlemagne , are you expecting something different tomorrow?

    The Swedes who claimed for 50 years that they were neutral , but it turns out they had a secret pact with America all along. ( Gee , I thought secret pacts were condemned in 1919 . )

    ” This was up to 3 times the price charged to Europe for those same gas supplies …. ”

    In other words, your would -be buddies have already once before colluded in fucking you.

    Well, good luck with all of that.

  55. Pucker July 7, 2017 at 10:56 pm #

    “The history profession has become so poisoned by political correctness that some of the best research and writing now comes from those who are from outside the profession.”

    “Lincoln Unmasked”

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    • KesaAnna July 8, 2017 at 1:14 am #

      It was always so.

      People who are paid to write history always write that their paymasters were fine fellows.

      See , for example, the hatchet job done by the scumbag Tudors on Richard III of York.

      That is why, once apon a time , the standard practice was to teach the history of some Jews, Greeks, and Romans , a world away , and with nothing to do with you.

      Lincoln never went to college , or to law school . The people who praise him would have you overlook that , and you should

      They would have you identify him as one of your own , ( a peasant ) and he was.

      But then they would not have you judge him ( or them , of course ) as you would judge any other peasant.
      But as different , as somehow special , as above your standard.

      ( So NOT having anything to do with YOU at all. But they do not say that. )

      It should be obvious even to an atheist that that is blasphemous. But no.

      The same people who ridicule George III , and titles of nobility, and describe the Declaration of Independence as Holy writ,

      in the next breath assert you should give weight to the titles purchased for them by their fathers and grandfathers , their college degrees .

      ( But , again , never mind that Lincoln had no such title either. )

  56. janet July 7, 2017 at 11:19 pm #

    Putin: Remember I have the pee tapes, be careful what you say about our collusion.

    Trump: What collusion? Our intelligence community cannot be trusted.

    Putin smiles. Good puppet.

    • KesaAnna July 8, 2017 at 12:36 am #

      gimme a fucking break.

      Translation into plain English ;

      You want American waitresses to die for a Volgograd they couldn’t point out on a map .

      That is, for nothing at all.

      Janet / Janos

      Same shit.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 12:43 am #

        I love Putin and want Russia to be our ally. So you’re wrong – again.

        • KesaAnna July 8, 2017 at 1:30 am #

          Her ” criticism ” of Trump belongs in quotation marks.

          Like your ” lecturing ” me on Catholicism , and two posts later cutting the Church off at the knees and making it your whore , and not your superior .

          I have no fucking idea what your religion is , as well I cannot know , as you WILL NOT get your story strait .

          As she will not get her story strait .

          It is then impossible to tell you apart.

          Thus the reasonable default assumption is to assume there is no difference.

          I’m wrong about your favorite color ?

          Big fucking deal.

          I’m not wrong that you are so deceitful you wouldn’t ask for water if you were thirsty.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 1:26 pm #

            As Emerson said, “Souls are not saved in bundles”. Not by the Catholic Church or your little Church or your proposed Global Church of Do Goodism. People who want to work with people have to know what they’re working with – just like any artists working with a material. At their best, the Catholics know this. But of course now they serve Soros and the Kalerigi Agenda. Swamping us with Non-Whites isn’t a bug it’s a feature – THE Feature in fact as in Creature Double Feature.

            You cannot save Humanity. Billions are going to die. Deal with it. The more you feed the bears at Yellowstone, the more you have feed the bears at Yellowstone. Soon the bears are shaking people down in the parking lot for their McDonald’s Happy Meal. At least that’s where it stop with Bears, but Church people have gone Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs over Blacks. Now we bring them out of the Park (Africa) and into our own living rooms. And then the Cucks are amazed when they rape their 12 year old daughter.

  57. goat1001 July 7, 2017 at 11:47 pm #

    I haven’t heard as much recently about these suicide by stupidity methods:

    1. Global warming
    2. Global pandemics
    3. Peak Oil
    4. Population overshoot
    5. Nuclear war (accidental or otherwise).

    I see all of these horsemen getting closer – and closer…and few are noticing or caring.

    • capt spaulding July 8, 2017 at 9:50 am #

      I have noticed that as well.

      • ozone July 8, 2017 at 11:33 pm #

        …As have I.

    • malthuss July 8, 2017 at 1:56 pm #

      Either Earth is warm or its in an Ice Age.
      Viva Warming.

  58. Pucker July 8, 2017 at 12:47 am #

    “Lind also acknowledges, rather than covers up, Lincoln’s dreams of “colonization” and of turning America into an all-white society. The “meteoric rise of Lincoln in national politics” was greatly enhanced by the fact that he was a “leader of the Free-Soil movement whose goal was a white West.… For Lincoln, as for most white Free-Soilers, the purpose of preventing the extension of slavery to the territories was to keep the West white.” 25 Free soilers like Lincoln supported “laws designed to keep free blacks out of Northern and Western states.” 26”

  59. Pucker July 8, 2017 at 1:25 am #

    I wonder what percentage of single parent black girls today become pregnant each year to serve the Democratic Party and the cause of big government and US hegemony?

    “The big plantations were in turn supplied by specialist, highly commercial slave-breeding plantations. With monogamous marriages, only 10–15 percent of female slaves produced a child a year. Plantations which sold slaves for the market insured regular provision of sires for all nubile females, so that up to 40 percent of female slaves produced a child each year. 66”

    “A History of the American People”

  60. FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 5:06 am #

    Huston, we have chemistry!

    Objectively, Russia has been on the rise for the last fifteen years. And if before 2008-2012 this recovery was more economic – the growth of gold reserves, wages, GDP, and so on, then from 2014 the quantity turned into quality – Russia’s economic strengthening led to an increase in its political role in the world. The World Party of War tried to strangle this manifested tendency by fanning the civil war in Ukraine and by overthrowing the legitimate government of Syria. However, these two military provocations only allowed Russia to get on its feet and further strengthen its economic and political position.

    Subjectively, Putin is an officer, and it is from these positions that he assesses his interlocutors. All those who try to negotiate, and then do not come through on their words, immediately lose contact and trust. Therefore, there is no trusting relationship between Putin and bankers/traders – the first persons of the Western countries.

    They rise to power over the corpses, and negative selection has long become the main dominant principle of the career of Western politicians, it is enough to recall the career of Angela Merkel, who consistently betrayed all of her superiors, including the recently deceased German politician Helmut Kohl.

    Unfortunately, the 44th US President Barack Obama, turned out to not be able to guarantee the implementation of agreements. I think Trump understands this perfectly well: that the style of behavior that he can afford in relation with the geopolitical midgets is simply not going to roll here. One insincere word – and Putin will notice it, after which the chemistry of relations, which Secretary of State Rex Tillerson mentioned after the talks, will be lost, and Trump will have only two options and both very bad. Either to lie down under his enemies led by Hillary, and they will have their way with him, or to fight on two fronts, which is also clearly not what Trump wants to do for the United States.

    Despite the fact that Trump is a tough businessman, he is a creator by nature. He can be as tough as he likes in business or as a negotiating partner, but his goal is to create something, and then show it to everyone. He is the one who builds a tower in the sandbox, and not the one who comes and destroys it. This is good quality. So, Trump does not want to leave after himself a smoking planet in ruins, but a beautiful and well-kept house of the mankind.

    And in this his national interests completely coincide with the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Therefore, the “chemistry” arose at the talks, so they lasted more than two hours. I’m sure if it were not for the tight schedule of the summit, they could continue for four hours, because in life very often situations happen when the process itself is more important than the result.

    And what we were shown:

    An agreement on the establishment of a truce in southern Syria, starting from 12.00 on July 9 (security around de-escalation zones will be provided by the Russian military police in coordination with the United States and Jordan), the appointment of US Special Representative for Ukraine, former US Ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker (on Russia’s initiative, by the way), on cybersecurity, North Korea and so on, –

    this is the permissible information background for the rest of the subjects and objects of the world geopolitics, so that they do not become alarmed and start doing silly things.

    I will stop only on Ukraine. The essence of the arrangement is that if earlier (under Obama) the West acted with double hands, which allowed it to cheat, after the appointment of the special representative, it is actually about direct negotiations between Russia and the United States on Ukraine, in which Poroshenko will not have a voice, Merkel and Macron will have a very limited voice. And judging by what virtuosic pirouettes Macron performed around Trump during the first day of the G20 summit, Kurt Volker already has one voice behind him. Merkel in these conditions simply automatically folds the cards and leaves the game.

    The situation around Ukraine in two hours and twenty minutes of the meeting between Putin and Trump in a very quiet, almost imperceptible way, but has changed fundamentally. But it, like all the other arrangements, could take place, only on one condition – Putin and Trump both realized that the “Big Deal” could be achieved between the two.

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  61. janet July 8, 2017 at 7:43 am #

    “I see all of these horsemen getting closer – and closer…and few are noticing or caring.” –goat1001

    Concerned Jehovahs Witnesses regularly appear at my door.

  62. janet July 8, 2017 at 8:11 am #

    “Subjectively, Putin is an officer, and it is from these positions that he assesses his interlocutors”

    Objectively, Putin is a dictator who has journalists and critics assassinated. Teenage girl singers are arrested and jailed.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 8:42 am #

      IQ of Melania Trump became known – 146!

      It is higher than Hillary Clinton!

      Is it possible that the intellect is transmitted sexually, but not from the mother to son, but from the wife to the husband?

      • janet July 8, 2017 at 10:01 am #

        Slovenia has free university educatio for all, citizens AND NON-CITIZENS. Americans go there to get a university education free with classes offered in English language. Other countries in the world have surpassed the USA. Expats discover that fact.

      • janet July 8, 2017 at 10:05 am #

        ~ 46 to ~ 246? Probably more like ~96.

        ~ Janet

        • Billy Hill July 8, 2017 at 6:57 pm #

          All snark, no pith.
          Stick to your DNC talking points.

  63. FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 8:48 am #

    Apart from the police, the hardest in Hamburg was for Melania Trump. If you let your husband with the help of your washroom sending geopolitical messages to Saudi Arabia and Vatican, then do not be surprised if you are sent to a male washroom to extract a husband from a non-telephone conversation with Putin.

    Apparently Trump insisted on a personal meeting with Putin because it was not a telephone conversation. Soon, the US president will talk with ambassadors and presidents of other countries in the washroom of the White House, after turning on water.

    • janet July 8, 2017 at 10:24 am #

      Spending time with another male in male washroom and not wearing shirt while riding horse sign of homosexuality.

  64. janet July 8, 2017 at 10:20 am #

    “Is it possible that the intellect is transmitted sexually from the wife to the husband?”

    This would probably require physical contact beyond wife swatting away husband’s hand.

    • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 11:01 am #

      The BBC, yesterday, stated that there is a resistant strain of Gonorrhea, and that 3/4 of women worldwide are infected with the STD, but have no noticeable effects.

      I knew it….

      And statistically…you might be in that group.

      Just contemplatin’

      • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 11:03 am #

        And were it syphilis rather than gonorrhea, it might explain many of your posts….

  65. volodya July 8, 2017 at 10:22 am #


    The answer to your question, what would I do, is in my previous post. Here it is:

    “Everyone sez, there’s no good options. But I think this understates the case. There’s NO options. The only option is for the US to get the fuck out. Strategic patience my ass. American weakness and irresolution are on full display. Too bad about the uncountable treasure and the lives the US expended in defending that neck of the woods from Chinese communist and crony capitalist predation. But those are sunk costs. Spilt milk. And he bald fact is that the US no longer has the military or economic wherewithal to be boss man over there.”

    Multiple American administrations agreed that it was a wise thing to move American industrial might to China and Mexico. Actually, American politicians, whores that they are, bought and paid for by the Davos Billionaires, let it happen. And so the practical result was to build up Chinese economic and military might and to diminish America’s. You could replace the terms American “weakness” and “irresolution” with “impotence”.

    At the peak of American power in the 1950s the US was barely able to scrape out a draw with the peasant armies of North Korea and China. Now that China has the United States’ industrial backbone, the US has got exactly zero chance of prevailing in a showdown with China. Plus, and this is just as important, there isn’t the will in the American populace to do it.

    As Kunstler sez, this is a situation of suicide by stupidity. Long standing stupidity.

    By undercutting American industrial might and the purchasing power of its middle class, the Davos people created a unworkable global economic system. They diminished the ability of the US to physically defend Davos people and their interests and so they undercut the basis for their own survival.

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    • janet July 8, 2017 at 10:33 am #

      “so they undercut the basis for their own survival.”

      You really think they are that stupid? Their survival is guaranteed precisely by the success of their global project at the expense (literally) of the demise of militarist Warlust America. The whole world will be safer when American militarist empire is decimated. Happen soon.

  66. Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 1:39 pm #


    The fears conservative Americans have about socialized medicine are all too real as seen in the case of Baby Charlie Gard. The British Government refuses to release him for treatment elsewhere – even though they have given up on him. Isn’t he ultimately the responsibility of his parents, not the State? That’s how it’s always been in these parts. But bureaucrats can’t stand any check on their power – thus they hate little things like Natural Law.

    I’m torn because I think the only way ahead is universal health care as in Medicare for all. But the dangers are great under the present system. And yes, under any Government system as the Founders warned us. But the danger will always be there – as other dangers are implicit in private medicine alone. A mix is probably the best answer.

    • malthuss July 8, 2017 at 1:56 pm #

    • casamurphy July 8, 2017 at 7:36 pm #

      Medical service providers are just that, service providers; and in that regard are no different in the market than automobile mechanics whose average income depends on the average income in the workers (their clients) in their society. Every country, though, has figured out some way to pay medical service providers more than car mechanics. That way the poor get some access to the care that only the rich can afford. Calls in the USA for market-based reforms to the health care affordability problem conveniently overlook this basic fact which is not surprising considering the long oligarchic traditions of the USA.

      Instead of floundering in our traditional economic cynicism we could undertake simple and effective governmental reforms in order to keep health care spending down to a reasonably low percentage of GDP like every other developed country in the world. No constitutional roadblocks would have to be overcome. Government established systems don’t need to unconstitutionally block medical service providers from contracting with patients in whatever way they wish. Well-structured public systems will just make it unnecessary and uneconomical for them to do so. As the reforms listed below are read, please reserve judgement as to their political viability until you get to the end. Here are the reforms:

      1. Lower Medicare age to 55. This would most efficiently remove the most difficult to insure group from the reform process faced (as suggested at item #3 below) by the individual states.
      2. Simplify the Medicare benefit structure so that there is one simple annual deductible for all parts of Medicare (A,B,and D) based upon an income and asset test; and also re-set the Medicare Part B premium so that it is also income and asset test based.
      2.1 This would make the need for Medicare Advantage, Medicare Supplement, and Medicare Prescription Drug plans obsolete; saving the government and consumers hundreds of billions year in and year out.
      2.2 Some percentage of current insurance workers could be leased by current insurance companies to the government during a transition phase, while those losing their jobs could get direct transition assistance.
      3. For everyone through age 54 each state individually or in concert with other states could adopt some form of the proven modes provided by other developed countries. Large states, who have larger populations and economies than many model countries, have the tax base and economies of scale which should make it easier to establish such model systems compared to smaller states. Therefore, if smaller states run into difficulty they should be allowed to join together with other small states, whether regionally proximate or not, to adopt models that work best for them as a group.

      I believe there reforms could be politically viable because they feed into hot button issues of both the right and left. Right wingers in red states would like the individual state control aspect and burn themselves out on pushing for a return to a cash-based system for the poor and concierge plans for the highly paid employees and wealthy individuals which will ultimately prove economically and politically unsustainable compared to the socialistic systems established in the blue states. Left wingers in blue states will jump at the chance to bring forth successful plans and thus help the blue brand and motivate blue voters nationwide. Big health insurance companies would continue to have an advantage over smaller firms as they find a way to profitably downsize to basic employee leasing enterprises that provide administration services to Medicare and the state model plans. They, like all the companies in the healthcare market, would be faced with the need to either adapt or die. I believe the big companies seeing the writing on the wall would actually support the reform process since they would be in the best position to become profitable survivors of the process. Big Pharma…well big pharma would also take a hit, but so be it…they would most likely have to deal with bulk discounted sales to Medicare and the state plans who in turn would have the discounted drugs fulfilled through the existing pharmacy outlets.

      • My Point of View July 8, 2017 at 11:18 pm #

        Murph, good stuff.

        In my Medicare for all scheme we’d all get an annual checkup during the month of our birth.

        At that checkup our doctors would certify two things: (1) Our Body Mass Index (BMI) which is an indicator of obesity and eventual diabetes and (2) Whether or not we’re smokers. The doctor would certify these two on pain of major fines if lying.

        If our BMI is in the “thin” range we’d get back 5% of what we paid into Medicare on our annual tax filing.

        If we’re non-smokers, we’d get back another 5% of what we paid in.

        This is how we can use tax incentives to steer people in the right direction and reward good behavior. We could save a fortune on diabetes care if we can keep people thin and relatively healthy.

        Weight Watchers would be tax deductible or paid for by Medicare, for at least a while, to get people trained in what are the right foods, the right amounts, and the right preparation methods (NOT fried!).

        People would file their tax returns by 60 days after the end of their birth month. A person born in May would file their return by the end of July, etc. This evens out the workload on accountants and the IRS. With today’s automation it is not hard to set up any employee for an annual cycle based on birth month.

        The minimum wage would be much higher and from the employee side of the paycheck we’d withhold money to pay for Medicare for all. Most firms could get out of the business of providing health care for employees, it’s insane that corporate firms have to sort through all sorts of plans for their employees; it isn’t what they’re in business to do. Insurers will still be around to offer MediGAP policies and upgraded plans for fancier corporate firms, etc.

        But this way everyone pays in and everyone is covered. Self employed would pay a fee per month, but if everyone pays in then it should be affordable since we’ve now spread the nation’s total health care bill across all of the people.

        It’s the only valid way forward, the current mess has continued.

        As JK says, rackets continue until they can’t. This racket can’t last.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 1:48 pm #

        Yet not one word about the dangers, the death panels that ARE real and have ruled against Baby Charlie Gard.

        Your silence makes me you doubt the whole thing (and you guys) even more. As I said above, I’m torn and you’re not making it any better.

  67. janet July 8, 2017 at 2:09 pm #

    Suicide by Stupidity : Make America Mediocre Again

    Trump plans to delay and ultimately rescind an rule allowing foreign entrepreneurs to come to the U.S. to start companies.

    We don’t want a level playing field because we can’t compete with immigrants. They are educated and have marketable skills. Not fair!

    • pequiste July 8, 2017 at 6:56 pm #

      Here are some wonderful refugees that I know Janet and her “friends” will be just leaping for the opportunity to take into her home (at Mt Holyoke College) where they can be cleaned up, fed, clothed, housed and educated in how to best turn wherever Western country it is they land into an open sewer.


      Indeed the Daily Mail photo essay surely displays some highly educated immigrants with very marketable skill sets right there in Paris.

      Letting them stay in Europe – that is the very definition of national suicide by stupidity.

  68. FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 4:01 pm #

    How the G20 was prepared

    Russia Is Expanding Its Military, but NATO Isn’t Sure Why

    The Ultimate Missile Defense: Sci-Fi-Style Railguns

    If a nuclear bomb explodes, these are the emergency supplies you should have prepared or grab on the run

    A tiny detail from North Korea’s missile launch points to an even more dangerous threat

    Is the United States Preparing for a War in Syria?

    Russia’s Military Just Carried Out a Massive Test Airstrike in West

    “Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to the days yet future.”

    The ships of Kittim have arrived

    American Aircraft Carrier Locations

  69. trypillian July 8, 2017 at 4:07 pm #

    The truth about Crimea is that it is the homeland of the indigenous people who have been there for the last thousand years, ie the Tartars. Lenin in 1917 proved this by providing for the Crimean Peninsula as an autonomous region for the Tartars. No mention of Russian ownership, zilch! JK is ignoring Lenin’s manifesto; how convenient and not really democratic. Subsequently, Stalin started a campaign of repression against the Tartars; the usual meyhem, killing fields, plundering and pillaging. In 1945 Stalin exilied 225,000 to the Stans and Siberia, killing the majority of them in the process. Genocide is the mo of Russian pseudo claims to Crimea. Ukraine and the surviving Tartars were getting along just fine, thank you very much. Enter the destabilzing Russians again and all hell breaks loose. The Tartars again are subject to repression as are the Crimean Ukrainians.
    As further evidence even Trump at the G20 said ‘Russia destabized Crimea’ to paraphase. Putin sitting next to Trump would barely look at him and looked like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

    • FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm #

      How do you like your tartar sauce?

      Do Tatars like tartar sauce or they prefer horse meat?

      …clueless americans!

    • Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 4:48 pm #

      The Tatars were ruthless invaders from Central Asia. They’re lucky the Russians let them stay there at all.

      • trypillian July 8, 2017 at 10:02 pm #

        I suppose Putin who came to power via killing 400 people in false flag apartment explosions, shoots down 300 people in an attempted false flag [ he was trying to shoot down a Russian airplane bound for Cyprus and blame it on Ukraine as an excuse for invading Ukraine ] and has mobile crematoriums roaming around Donbas to obscure Russian regular soldiers being killed there; is pure as the driven snow. Remember the wisdom of the great Donald who in a interview agreed Russians are killers and to paraphrase, agreed Americans are killers as well.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 1:52 pm #

          Yes, this is the Devil’s Kingdom. If you won’t play, you get killed or owned. Putin is a great player. Trump recognizes this. It’s all good.


          This meeting was a triumph of commonsense and decency – and a humiliation for the Tribe, the Neo Cons, and the Neo-Liberals like Clinton, the Rice Sisters, and Café au latte Conservatives like Powell.

      • malthuss July 9, 2017 at 2:18 pm #

        Like the pilgrims?

  70. FincaInTheMountains July 8, 2017 at 4:25 pm #

    clueless americans are gonna start a nuclear war based on orthographic error?


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  71. Janos Skorenzy July 8, 2017 at 4:52 pm #


    I agree with Anglin: wtf do these people want besides free phones and beer? They make no demands, don’t give interviews, don’t publicize a platform. Anarchism or some kind? Their worldview is basically the same Globalistic no borders, pro-immigrant stance that the Big Corporations have. It really doesn’t make much sense. They’re even worse than Ozone, though of the same psychological type. I assume he’s for some kind of world made by hand scenario and for localism as opposed to Nationalism of Globalism. He never says since he loves to be against things so I’m only inferring.

  72. janet July 8, 2017 at 8:10 pm #

    “A mix is probably the best answer.” –janos

    Yes. Obamacare is a mix, based on the Republican Heritage plan, successfully implemented by Romney in Massachusetts, then successfully implemented by Obama nationally, now being destroyed by Republican refusal to extend Medicaid in their states and refusal to work with Democrats to improve Obamacare and refusal to repeal Obamacare and refusal to replace Obamacare. For this destruction of the current health care mix … Republicans will pay in 2018.

  73. janet July 8, 2017 at 9:20 pm #


    A meeting at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 is the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle during the campaign. While President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and Russians, the meeting on June 9, 2016 is the first time that his son Donald Trump Jr. is known to have been involved in meeting with Russians before Mr. Trump became president-elect. Representatives of Donald Trump Jr. and Mr. Kushner confirmed the meeting after The NY Times approached them with information about it.

  74. thwack July 9, 2017 at 2:52 am #

    The racists claim that black people are victims due to their low IQs (85) and NOT because of racism.

    But the way to prove the racists don’t believe their own position is to ask them how much money they would accept in exchange for being turned into a black person, while keeping their own mind, life experiences, upbringing…?

    Ive run this experiment many times; I ran it right here on this blog?

    But no matter when or where Ive run it, the result is always the same;

    No white person will provide a monetary compensatory amount.

    This gives me probable cause to suspect white people know black people are victims of racism, and NOT IQ.

    Think about it?

    This thought experiment is no different from the one we played as children where we would ask each other:

    “if you had to choose between being blind, or deaf, which one would it be?”

    (thats how the discussion would always start)

    Then someone would ask, “would you be willing to be blind for a million dollars?”

    2 million?

    10 million?

    OK, how bout a billion dollars?

    As children, our lack of work force experience made us extremely reluctant to give up our eyesight for ANY amount of money.

    But personally, after chasing money my entire life, and having every shitty job known to mankind…

    I’d be willing to sell my eyesight for several million.

    Ive met some blind people, they don’t have it so bad?

    You seen Stevie Wonder’s girlfriend?

    Neither has he.

    Check out this simp as he struggles to make my point with this pasty, cake faced tart:


    • thwack July 9, 2017 at 3:16 am #

      I AIN’T THRU!

      “Tara” claims she has an American fiance’ and plans to move here when she marries him.

      I say she shouldn’t have a chinamans chance to move here and become a citizen?

      Racists should NOT be allowed to become citizens of multiracial countries; they are no different that terrorists.

      Who bitch this is?

      This cunt should take her pale ass to Poland, Lithuania, Iceland… places that are 99% white, so she can overdose on all that pale skin AND EGGS BENEDICT?, or whateverthefuck they eat over there…

      and she better hurry the fuck up too because in about 4 years she’s gonna be too fat and ugly for any man to want her.

      If she comes here, I hope a pack of niggers run a train on her ass and spilt her boyfriends head down to the white meat.

      Just sayin.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 1:55 pm #

        The real Thwack reveals himself in the last sentence. Everything else is just a distraction and illusion. You can take the Thwack out of the jungle but you can’t get the spots out.

        • thwack July 9, 2017 at 2:30 pm #

          that response from Janos is proof (not evidence) that I am a masturbator; a master at baiting the hook and reeling the racists in.

          I put that line in just for him because I knew it would force him out of his spider hole so we can hoot and howl at his nakedness.

          • Billy Hill July 9, 2017 at 8:09 pm #

            You used to be better.

    • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 11:11 am #

      “No white person will provide a monetary compensatory amount.”

      Your statement is disingenuous…I did come up with a figure, and you never acknowledged my effort.

      ‘Course, I am confused, and might not be white…so that is your “out”?

      “The racists claim that black people are victims due to their low IQs (85) and NOT because of racism.”

      Racism or IQ? How about “Bofe Coach?”

      “If she comes here, I hope a pack of niggers run a train on her ass and spilt her boyfriends head down to the white meat.”

      Mel…is that you?

      • thwack July 9, 2017 at 12:42 pm #

        Your statement is disingenuous…I did come up with a figure, and you never acknowledged my effort.


        But you never came up with an answer to the question

        “do you KNOW if you are a white person?”

        Therefore you are STILL unqualified to engage in ANY discussion of race.

        Would you choose a person to perform surgery on your child if they could not, or would not answer the question

        “are you a surgeon?”

        If you were using a dating app, would you agree to date a person who could not or would not answer the question

        “are you a female?”

        Come on E, give it up bro, this fight is over and you lost. Don’t feel bad, you gave it your best shot, you got a lot of heart…

        But now you just look sad and punch drunk; your girl is crying and your son is traumatized…?

        You don’t hafta do this anymore. It was a good match up, we both got paid… but its pointless for you to continue the fight.

        Go buy your wife a new minivan, go enjoy your yacht privilege…

        I’ll give you a rematch.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 1:58 pm #

          Black have weak necks. Choke holds that wouldn’t hurt a White make you cold. It’s not fair to White cops.

          • thwack July 9, 2017 at 2:38 pm #

            OK, I’ll play along.

            Whites have weak skin. Sunlight that wouldn’t hurt a black makes you scream like a bitch. Its not fair to black cops.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 2:56 pm #

            We use sun bloc and is has nothing to do with Cops, Black or otherwise. Parried. Now thrust: why aren’t you doing you neck exercises? Hopin’ to get a White Cop in trouble, right?

            Note: Or maybe it’s that Blacks need more oxygen and die quicker without it. Obviously some Blacks have very powerful necks – maybe it’s not that at all.

            All benefits need to be paid for. Perhaps the very increased capacity to take in Oxygen needed for great sprinting leaves Blacks vulnerable to tactics like this.

          • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 7:57 pm #

            “Black have weak necks”

            Not my experience…necks come in all shapes and sizes. The deaths most often cited resulted from the mis-application of a “sleeper hold”…using the forearm and bicep to cut the flow of blood to the brain and render the subject unconscious…the windpipe remains in a hollow directly behind the point of the elbow. Death occurs when the trachea is crushed by the forearm…giving the “sleeper hold” a bad reputation.

            I can’t even begin to estimate the number of times I used it…very humane method of control…lights out in less than a minute…consider the alternative methods of control with a violent suspect.

            Tasers did not exist during the period of my employment…nor did ballistic vests,

        • thwack July 9, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

          You ain’t blocking shit, especially now that Donald Trump is gonna destroy whats left of the ozone layer.

          Now get back in your cave before I throw another sunbeam at you.

          • JimInFlorida July 9, 2017 at 3:30 pm #

            The Sun is racist for being so intensely White and constantly keeping the sunspots down.

            The Moon has some kind of Identity Disorder because it is a black body in space but, tries so hard to be White.

          • thwack July 9, 2017 at 4:04 pm #

            No Jim, the sun has no agency; it is simply an outlet for all the stuff accelerated and sucked into black holes

  75. Vlad the Inhaler July 9, 2017 at 3:37 am #

    A succinct article which sums up the Russian/Crimean situation well. Why such stuff isn’t published in the mainstream newspapers and offered on tv remains a matter of conjecture.

    Of course before Russia occupied Crimea it was in independent or semi-autonomous Tatar Khanate with some kind of connection to Istanbul. The Russians (Catherine the Great) took it off them. In turn the Asiatics had taken it off … and so we go on with the familiar story of human history.

    At the time of the collapse of the U.S.S.R. both Crimea and Donbass voted to stay with Ukraine to the bafflement of both Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It’s worth mentioning that they (and Russia) respected the decision of the ballot box.

    I went to Crimea for the 150th anniversary of the war and found it a charming place. Sevastopol is a lovely – and Russian – city and the seafront at Yalta reminded me of Venice Beach twenty years earlier – similar dress-code, similar climate, similar food outlets, similar ambiance but nicer if anything in that it retained a more inclusive, less atomised humanity. Venice Beach didn’t have a statue of Lenin though – an oversight yet to be corrected.

    There was an election while I was there and Ukraine split right down the middle with the East voting for Russophiles and the West not. Nevertheless, most people accepted the result and got on with their lives in a corrupt, post-Soviet country making compromises with each other with a kind of democracy, not violence, determined, or so it seemed, to keep this compromise, “border” country together as a whole.

    But there was discontent and non-violent conflict which was there to be exploited – and subsequently was – by unscrupulous foreigners trained to see countries as pieces on a chessboard. The eventual result was as described by the host of this site.

    The post-coup referendum result in Crimea produced a suspiciously high pro-reunification result (90-ish %). This might be because the pro-Kiev faction thought it futile to turn up and vote, because of a reaction to the coup itself or because of fraud. Whatever the truth, it reflects reality to the extent that the majority of Crimeans are Russian and probably happy with the new dispensation and the majority of the rest can live with it. In terms of human nature this might especially be true given the fate of their brothers and sisters to the north in Donbass who, without the protection of Moscow (no, contrary to what we have been told many times, the Russians haven’t invaded) have been shelled by the Ukrainian army. Were the regime in Kiev not clients of the West, this would be called “bombing their own people” (cf. Syria and Assad) and we could await the use of chemical weapons a couple of days after being told such an action was a trip-wire for war. As it is, such shelling of residential areas receives scarcely a mention.

    I am reminded of a comment by Paul Craig Roberts recently to the effect that in his twenty or more years in Washington rubbing shoulders with the movers and shakers of Rome on the Potomac, he never ceased to be surprised by how stupid they all were.

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    • nsa July 9, 2017 at 9:17 am #

      Correction…….Tel Aviv on the Potomac.

  76. Pucker July 9, 2017 at 3:55 am #

    Apparently, many of Lincoln’s writings and speeches were “cleaned up” over the years. Many quotes attributed to Lincoln were concocted. It seems that Lincoln was uncouth and boorish—a hillbilly.

    • janet July 9, 2017 at 6:16 am #

      “It seems that Lincoln was uncouth and boorish—a hillbilly.”

      Isn’t that a derogatory term? We should not generalize about poor whites who live in rural hilly areas. They are an important part of America, to be cherished and preserved with food stamps and disability checks. They are as important as Blacks and Asians and Native Americans and their lives matter.

      • Billy Hill July 9, 2017 at 10:39 am #

        Janet — thou dost damn with faint praise. Not Fair!

      • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 11:18 am #

        “We should not generalize about poor whites who live in rural hilly areas. They are an important part of America, to be cherished and preserved with food stamps and disability checks.”


      • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 2:00 pm #

        Lincoln was the greatest Vampyre hunter of his age, as acknowledged by Van Helsing himself. He fought the South because the Great Families had been taken over by Vampires and their followers.

  77. tucsonspur July 9, 2017 at 4:36 am #

    Don’t know the details, but look what happened to this poor slob. Taking on the Greeks and Serbs no less. Graduating out of the UA, whatever his GPA, now he has a DOA.

    Maybe came out with attitude and a load of liberal bullshit. Maybe eyein’ the white chicks, who knows.

    It’s been proven time and time again. It will only be settled through the white heat of violence. Back East, back in the day, whites were stomping Splibs and other niggas because they knew what was coming, they knew what time it was. Time to preserve and survive.

    And I’m not talkin about pure hate of the KKK here.

    Diversity, globalism, racism, it’s all here. A black man dies in Greece:


    • thwack July 9, 2017 at 4:47 am #

      How many times did you cum writing that?

      • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 11:16 am #

        How many times did you cum writing that?”

        Your comments, this week, have become a bit…”edgy”.

        • tucsonspur July 9, 2017 at 4:20 pm #

          To put it mildly.

          • thwack July 9, 2017 at 5:10 pm #

            You talkin to me?

            You talkin to ME?

            You talkin, to me?

          • Billy Hill July 9, 2017 at 8:27 pm #

            Finally got the question marks correct.

            But you were better before.

            Whatever happened to the author of “Makes Me Wanna Holler”? Note the question mark at the end of a sentence that has ended with a title in quotations I placed out side the quotation marks.

            A matter of style. If I were quoting the author and included a snippet from his chapter “Trains” I would place the punctuation inside the quotation marks.

            As for the author’s work I empathize with the poor white fool at the book’s intro with the bad judgment to bicycle into a black neighborhood, whereupon he was roundly and throughly beaten for… being white. Those of us who grew up in neighborhoods that became black know this scenario all too well. My parents believed in the brotherhood of man until they didn’t.

            My favorite chapter related the story of the department store that located in the hood. It closed down owing to inventory shrinkage. The phenomenon of it closing was met with a sort of emotionless non-comprehension by the author. Worthy of study in the Universities of the future.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 2:03 pm #

      A Black dies in Greece. A tree grows in Brooklyn. A dog barks. The caravan passes. Did the dog bark at the caravan? Or something else? Did the caravan pass because the dog barked? Probly not.

      • tucsonspur July 9, 2017 at 4:32 pm #

        The caravan carries the current controversies. Sensing danger, the dog barked, but to no avail. And coyote laid in wait.

        Thus the dog pissed on the tree in Brooklyn, and the black man died in Greece.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 5:14 pm #

          Do you know about Skyrim (is for the Nords!) Prank Calls? You certainly should!


          • tucsonspur July 10, 2017 at 2:22 am #

            Didn’t know about it. Was that for real? Funny stuff.

  78. FincaInTheMountains July 9, 2017 at 7:19 am #

    Dirty American Media, sold out to the Sacred Roman Empire of the German Nation keeps pushing for war with Russia, while there are very few sane voices of American intellectuals. Professor Stephen Cohen is one of those VERY few:


    Wouldn’t be nice if Russia and USA destroyed each other letting Fourth Reich of Angela Merkel rule Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok?

  79. janet July 9, 2017 at 11:42 am #

    The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as “direct benefit payments for individuals” by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.

    Social Security is the nation’s largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.

    Welfare critics rarely search the Social Security rolls for “welfare cheats,” but train their sights on people getting Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Medicaid and food stamps, the relief programs with the most Black clients. Yet government figures show that Whites not Blacks make up the bulk of clients on these public aid programs; a fact that dispels the notion that Blacks are scheming for a free lunch courtesy of the American taxpayer.

    Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn’t collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population. They say the imbalance proves their case that Blacks are too busy complaining and blaming racism for their plight to look for a job.

    But racism is at the heart of the standard-of-living gap between Blacks and Whites. Unlawful race-based hiring practices keep Blacks from getting jobs that pay enough to lift them out of poverty. Until more blue-collar jobs open up to Black workers, Blacks will continue to battle poverty and the freeloader misconception.

    • JimInFlorida July 9, 2017 at 3:55 pm #

      janet, you would get more love if you used the Top 1% and Corporate Welfare as prime examples of welfare moochers. But, YOU WOULDN’T DARE because that class is vastly over represented by a demographic that we are NOT ALLOWED to name! Let alone criticize.

      But, of course, being the anti-White gynocentric misandrist RACIST BIGOT that you are, you conveniently forget that Whites contribute the vast majority of tax revenues into the system. White Men in particular.

      The welfare state, as constituted under FDR’s New Deal, was entirely self-sustaining because those who put in were eligible to receive in sickness and old age. It was your buddy, LBJ, who greatly expanded the beneficiaries for the sake of buying votes. The careful balance of the New Deal welfare state was forever wrecked to satisfy the Cloward-Piven agenda.

      I’ll throw a bone to you in that the very jobs once held by Blacks were offshored to enable the Top 1% to skim greater profits and buy political access. Racism didn’t steal their jobs but, Wall Street did. Do you DARE investigate the demographics of Wall Street??? I thought not.

    • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 7:16 pm #

      “The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: ”

      Janet…The reason behind the shocking disparity is that in the late 50’s, when the first recipients of the named group entered the system, the population of the US was then…about 88% white.

      The real issue here is how 75% of women contracted gonorrhea….

  80. beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 3:46 pm #

    White is composed of light of all colors (wavelengths); black is the absence of all light, a color of no color. Isn’t it ironic that white racists don’t understand that white is really a rainbow coalition of many wavelengths of light, and black is no color with no wavelengths of light?

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 4:12 pm #

      A fitting symbol indeed. Whites are the greatest and Blacks the least. Color is the crucifixion of Light. And the Rainbow? A symbol of “hate since the colors are distinct. The colors should be all smooshed together, the Light beaten out of them in order to create brown or black.

      You should be working for us.

      • tucsonspur July 9, 2017 at 4:39 pm #

        Yes, be careful Bean. It sounds like you’re saying that blacks are non entities, which I know you don’t believe.

        • beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 5:19 pm #

          Lol! See how easy it is to twist someone’s words so they appear to mean the opposite of what was said? Racists speak of the purity of whites, but what I said is that white is totally impure,consisting of a wide diversity of colors – an anathema to white racists who mistakenly believe white is a single color, unpolluted; while black is not colored at all, and so it’s totally incorrect to call the black race “colored”, the opposite of what racists said for the last few centuries. So much for their “logic”.

          Fear not, I haven’t changed my position on race. In fact, I knew Janos would reply as he did because he’s so obvious.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 7:55 pm #

            a is a is the basis of everything B.

    • JimInFlorida July 9, 2017 at 4:33 pm #

      Hmmm… nice try but, the metaphor needs some help in translating to the realm of the body-politic.

      White is also the symbol of purity. Colors can contain many shades and tints but, White is White. True, you can have glossy White, flat White, appliance White, soft White, sparkling White, etc. But, anything darker and it is no longer White.

      One can adulterate any color and it still retains its primary identification. Adulterate something that is meant to be White and it is contaminated. That also applies to political and societal constructs.

      There are miscreants who enjoy polluting what is clean. They enjoy throwing mud on somebody’s white linens drying on a clothesline. Or go mudsharking in a fit of self abuse or, in flagrant disrespect to one’s parents. Or force schools to integrate at the point of a gun. Or use the media to throw mud on White sensibilities until there’s no White left.

      They are racial vandals. It may seem fun to deface what is beautiful, and vandalize what belongs to others but, what happens when everything “White” is vandalized and there’s nothing left to desecrate?

      • tucsonspur July 9, 2017 at 4:47 pm #

        Like Bob Dylan’s artist, they “take the dark out of the nighttime, and paint the daytime black”.

      • thwack July 9, 2017 at 5:16 pm #

        There are miscreants who enjoy polluting what is clean. They enjoy throwing mud on somebody’s white linens drying on a clothesline. Or go mudsharking in a fit of self abuse or, in flagrant disrespect to one’s parents. Or force schools to integrate at the point of a gun. Or use the media to throw mud on White sensibilities until there’s no White left.


        You mean like when Cain killed Abel?

        How do you blame that blacks for that?

        • beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm #

          Oh boy, do you need to learn physics! Have you heard of a theory in quantum mechanics that states causality can be retrograde, or in other words, present actions can change events that occurred in the past? On that theory, it’s obvious that a black person killed Abel 6,000 years ago. It’s so easy to blame blacks on anything.

        • JimInFlorida July 9, 2017 at 11:19 pm #

          thwack, you blew it with that lame diversion.

          My examples are illustrative of modern times. Not Cain and Abel.

          I don’t blame mud for being mud. I blame THEM who throw the mud. Beantownbill is guilty by association.

      • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 7:19 pm #

        “White is also the symbol of purity.”

        Yeah…and Jesus was white…I seen the pictures….

        • janet July 9, 2017 at 9:22 pm #

          According to Holy Scripture’s physical description of Jesus, Jesus was definitely Black. No reason the Bible would not report Jesus Blackness accurately. Southern Man, read what the Good Book said.

          • elysianfield July 10, 2017 at 12:50 am #

            “According to Holy Scripture’s physical description of Jesus, Jesus was definitely Black. No reason the Bible would not report Jesus Blackness accurately. Southern Man, read what the Good Book said.”

            But… but… the Bible is where I saw the Pictures…he had blue eyes, also.

          • JimInFlorida July 10, 2017 at 8:01 am #

            What color was Mary? Did she have kinky hair?

            She was a direct descendant of King David. Was HE BLACK?

            Jesus was dark very likely from working outside as a carpenter.

  81. Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 4:53 pm #

    “It is not lost wars that bring men down, but the loss of that power of resistance that resides in pure blood alone.”

    Adolf Hitler

  82. MrTibbs July 9, 2017 at 4:59 pm #


    In the old republic, affluence is manifested by record numbers of members treated for chronic hypertension, diabetes, obesity, anxiety, depression, addiction, and divorce.

    In the New Republic, affluence is manifested by record numbers of members enjoying Liberty in building out properties and the local means of production, with the capability to sow, nurture, grow, harvest, store, cook, engineer, design, program, automate, construct, process, raise, teach, counsel, hunt, defend, provide, debate, organize, compose, perform, worship, dance, laugh, love, celebrate, and sustain.

    “Wealth is the ability to fully experience life.”
    – Henry David Thoreau.

    Sent From the New Republic.

  83. MrTibbs July 9, 2017 at 5:04 pm #


    In the old republic, the pope decries the “very dangerous alliance” being formed between the United States and Russia.

    In the New Republic, members decry the pervasiveness of pedophilia, homosexuality, and perversion within the ranks directly supervised by the pope.

    Y = career politicians x career lobbyists x globalist mainstream media x career unelected Deep State bureaucrats x Hollywood elites x unprosecuted corruption

    “God integrates empirically.”
    – Albert Einstein.

    Y = old republic NETWORK globalism = THE SWAMP.


    They Call Me Mr. Tibbs.

  84. Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm #

    Howard Augustus John was right. CFN readership: wrong.


  85. Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 6:26 pm #

    “If our buildings, our highways, our railroads should be wrecked, we could rebuild them. If our cities should be destroyed, out of the very ruins we could erect new and greater ones. Even if our armed might should be crushed, we could rear sons who would redeem our power. But if the blood of our White race should be corrupted and mingled with the blood of Africa, then the present greatness of the United States of America would be destroyed and all hope for the future would be forever gone.”

    United States Senator Theodore G Bilbo, 1947

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  86. beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 6:27 pm #

    Isn’t it interesting that some animals, for example, deer, are not violent creatures? And their IQ has to be way below 85. So, if low IQ doesn’t seem to cause violence, why do blacks cause so much violent crime? Could it be that blacks have a violence gene and other races don’t? But whites have caused many, many wars and have killed many humans. So what is it?

    Could it be that it’s a culture thing? That maybe the higher technologically advanced white civilization took advantage of and mistreated blacks to such a great degree and for so long, that black culture became imprinted with mistrust for and resentfment of whites, while creating a permanent state of anomie.

    But what about the actions of blacks in Africa? They’re pretty violent. However, their civilization is still not as advanced as Whites. Go back a thousand years and violence was much more widespread in white societies then, than now (even though we can conduct much more mass murder and destruction now, isn’t it just because of our advanced technology?). So isn’t it possible that Africa could get less violent as civilization progresses there – except for the negative effects of population overshoot?

    Maybe we ought to stop railing against blacks, but instead consider that it is us that is ultimately responsible for the sad state of American black society, not because of their inherent undesirability. And yes, I believe blacks should grow up and take responsibility for their lives, even if we’ve made it very difficult for them to do so. If we treated them as grown ups, maybe they’ll act as grown ups. We could start by making them go cold turkey to overcome their welfare addiction – which we enabled, and which we did out of guilt. We could do tough love.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 7:08 pm #

      You begin with an interesting hypothesis, namely is low IQ equivalent to violence – but spin it by bringing up other species. Let’s stick to the point, Captain, ok? Firstly there is a very strong relationship between low IQ and violence. Secondly, Blacks have much lower IQ’s and all that comes with that: present time focus, inability to delay gratification, inability to identify with others, poor impulse control, etc. Thirdly, they have high Testosterone, thus they are more prone to violence on average than Whites of similar IQ’s.

      Got all that? Now you bring up the progress of Civilization. Let’s just put that to bed since the low IQ precludes that, k Cap?

      What do we have left? Either complete segregation, with preferably an ocean between us, and/or White Rule. Africa? Same thing – either leave them alone or they submit to us and I do mean submit. By way of compensation for our trouble: we get a goodly share of their natural resources. It’s only fair.

      You want them here despite all this (of course you do)? You want us to rule them here too – though of course you won’t say that but you imply it. Then they must be afraid of us again. This means public capital punishment. Old South stuff. It’s the only way, Captain Bill!

      • thwack July 9, 2017 at 7:52 pm #

        Firstly there is a very strong relationship between low IQ and violence.


        Oh, so is that why the Germans started World War Two?

        I always though Hitler had a high IQ?

        Guess I was wrong.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 9:26 pm #

          They didn’t. He did. You are.

    • elysianfield July 9, 2017 at 7:40 pm #

      “We could do tough love”

      Millions would be hungry…tens of thousands would die from civil unrest.. Major businesses weaned from the trough would fold. Tough love might, however, permit a work for welfare scenario…iron clad requirements…military discipline…Civilian Conservation Corps as a pattern. Major reclamation projects in the inner cities, superfund sites, etc.

      • BackRowHeckler July 9, 2017 at 8:10 pm #

        imagine what a CCC camp would look like now E, the Chaplin would have to be Muslim, the foremen Gay, and any project would have to got thru 6 levels of EPA approval, ETA: 5 years.


        • elysianfield July 10, 2017 at 1:11 am #

          You may be correct. However, considering the shit-storm of disapprobation from the needy, both black and white, those requirements might be waved, modified, or dispensed with otherwise. It would be a period of “flux” and turmoil…great social upheaval, luxuries such as EPA approval might be dispensed with. Where was the EPA during Katrina…who was inspecting the toilets at the Coliseum? Where was the EPA when billions of gallons of effluent…human waste, asbestos, petroleum… was pumped out of the lower quarter into lake Ponchatrain?

          Government makes the rules, and can break them, in times of great stress, with the stroke of a pen.

      • beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 8:41 pm #

        Yeah, tough love hurts both the practicer and the practicee. The end result would probably be worth it, though.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 9, 2017 at 9:28 pm #

        Sending them out would be much more humane, cost effective, and safe for all concerned. We have to brain wash or wash the brains of Whites who are obsessed with Blacks as charity objects. Failed cases can be sent out with the Blacks they supposedly love.

  87. janet July 9, 2017 at 7:20 pm #

    According to Trump we don’t know who did it, but O.J. Simpson is still looking for the real killers and Vladimir Putin is still trying to find the real hackers.

    What we do know is that Trump’s family, Trump’s family campaign members, were colluding with the Russians to undermine the election in July 2016 : before Trump was president-elect.

    This is not normal. Neither presidential candidates, nor their family members, normally meet with foreign intelligence officers to collude in undermining free elections in the USA.

    • BackRowHeckler July 9, 2017 at 8:07 pm #

      For Christ sake Little Jane, you still at it?

      • janet July 9, 2017 at 9:26 pm #

        Yes, until Trump’s treason is punished. There’s too much laxity when it comes to Trump’s crimes. We have to stop coddling Trump. Lock him up!

    • Billy Hill July 9, 2017 at 8:38 pm #

      While sane people doubt the Times story will go anywhere the fact that they are still at it does not augur well for release of tension.

      Oh yes, Vlad has the piss tapes. Piss tapes? Need we say more?

      Little Jane and the DNC are hell-bent on Civil War.

  88. BackRowHeckler July 9, 2017 at 7:58 pm #

    I went to one of these family/neighborhood 4th of july parties on wed. about 100 people showed up … the bounty of America was on display: barrels of beer, lobsters, steamed clams, whole pig roasted in a pit, steaks, all kind of salads, everybody brought something. A few observations: boys and girls are different. on this side about a dozen girls sitting in a circle on the grass playing some kind of wordgame, the oldest girl, about twelve, running the show. On that side a dozen or so boys wildly running around hitting each other with sticks, playing some kind of war game. 4 bikers showed up on Harleys, big muscly dudes all tatted up, friends of one of the nephews. They were on their best behavior I’ll have to admit. At one point one of them pulled a wad of cash out of his wallet and offered it to the host “to defray expenses”. It was turned down, but the offer was appreciated. Another observation, my Spanish wife’s relatives, including Argentinians and Chileans, after 3 generations, all Spanish and Hispanic seems to have been bred out of them and evaporated in about 50 years. Some of the kids looked like they could have stepped off the Mayflower, and they didn’t know Spanish, which is bad news for the multiculturalists who are counting on Latin American immigration to render whitey a minority in the US. One of the bikers had a Trump tattoo on his forearm; these dudes were unabashedly Trump supporters. All you snowflakes who plan to take the fight to the streets, these are the dudes you’ll be up against, not the type of white men you are used to dealing with on campus and in the gentrified artsy quarters of whatever city you live in: pajama boys, faggots, drag queens and hipsters.


    • beantownbill. July 9, 2017 at 8:48 pm #

      Marlin, I’ve known bikers to be pretty likable. They just don’t take any shit from most anyone. They also despise phonies.

      • BackRowHeckler July 9, 2017 at 9:18 pm #

        Sure enough, Bill.

        And I hope you had a happy 4th, and are enjoying this glorious summer up in Boston.

        Sox lost again today, Arrgh!!! Good time for the All Star break!


    • thwack July 10, 2017 at 8:14 am #

      my Spanish wife’s relatives, including Argentinians and Chileans, after 3 generations, all Spanish and Hispanic seems to have been bred out of them and evaporated in about 50 years.


      First of all, are YOU a white person?

      Second, is your wife a white person?

  89. janet July 9, 2017 at 9:35 pm #

    “Oh yes, Vlad has the piss tapes. Piss tapes?”

    Technically, they are golden shower tapes. Trump likes golden showers. The MI6 confirmed the existence of the tapes and knew of Trump’s sexual proclivities, even before Trump was a candidate. Putin, of course, had the tapes recorded and that bit of foresight is paying off handsomely, to the detriment of our nation, our one multicultural nation with justice for all, including Trump. Trump will pay, politically and legally, for his seditious and criminal behavior.

    • Billy Hill July 10, 2017 at 7:44 am #

      Yes, but where is Obama’s birth certificate?

  90. marie July 9, 2017 at 10:10 pm #

    sophia July 7, 2017 at 9:48 pm #

    “Worldly power and the seeking thereof is therefore wicked and not of God.”

    Jesus could reject the offer, He knew the kingdom was beyond this realm.

    I John looked and saw the Holy City.

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  91. MrTibbs July 9, 2017 at 10:33 pm #

    In the old republic, the health care sector enjoys lack of transparency and discovery in setting prices for procedures, and a remarkable growth rate as a percent of gross domestic product, until critical mass is acquired.

    In the New Republic, members enjoy the scientific benefits of nutrition, exercise, spiritual growth, and discipline, in the pursuit and sustenance of optimal physical, emotional, spiritual, and financial health.


    They Call Me Mr. Tibbs.

  92. BackRowHeckler July 10, 2017 at 1:09 am #

    Jim, maybe you can address NYC Mayor Bill Di Blasio. In his city the trains aren’t running, not just ‘not on time’, they’re not running at all. Homeless are inundating the city, and the day a NYPD police officer was assassinated he jets off to Hamburg Germany to join the G20 protesters,

    What kind of Mayor is this?

    Also, in Canada, a Canadian born Pakistani who tossed a grenade at a US Army medic, killing him, in a battle in Afghanistan, was recently awarded $10 million by the Canadian Govt. I know its hard to believe, but its true.


    • tucsonspur July 10, 2017 at 2:24 am #

      A liberal mayor, from toe to top.

  93. Lisa July 10, 2017 at 6:03 am #

    The deal with Crimea, how PCR explained it


    • FincaInTheMountains July 10, 2017 at 7:13 am #

      Has Honduras been bothering you lately?

      Ukraine is a wonderful tool for solving the European problem.

      Where is the Donbass and where is Honduras?

      The Americans one day will bomb out the wrong Honduras, somewhere in Europe.

      If you want to rule the planet, at least buy a globe of decent size.

  94. FincaInTheMountains July 10, 2017 at 6:38 am #

    Day of Russian Family and Love

    The Day of Saint Peter and Saint Fevronia also known as the Day of Family, Love and Faithfulness, the Orthodox patrons of marriage, was officially introduced in Russia in 2008.



    • FincaInTheMountains July 10, 2017 at 6:48 am #

      Oops, sorry for broken link. Here it is:


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        Our society is slightly contemptuous and easily treated to death as other peoples think it is a new life. I think it’s necessary to read more about suicide at https://papersowl.com/examples/suicide/ because it’s an important issue among teenagers, for example. Honestly, this issue is very delicate and needs to be raised properly. It is necessary to read and study more so as not to become a victim of suicide out of stupidity.


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