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Strange Jubilee

     Is there a Baby Boomer so dim in this land of rackets and swindles who thinks that he or she will escape the wrath of the Millennials rising? The developing story is so obvious that only an academic economist could fail to notice. Here’s how it will go: some months from now, as the financial unwind worsens, and the mirage of gainful employment shimmers away to nothing, and the technocrats of Europe meet nervously by some Swiss lakeside (and are seen glumly shaking their heads), and Romney and Obama try to out-do each other peddling miracle cures for the tanking national self-esteem – a dangerous meme will go forth across the internet, and this meme will say: Millennials, renounce your college loans and set yourselves free!
     And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality.
     I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. The college loan racket has been an even more cynical enterprise than the mortgage racket was because so many people who ought to have known better, people of supposed intelligence such as college deans, cabinet secretaries, and think-tank Yodas, all colluded to support the false promise that the gigantic cargo cult of higher ed would keep churning out fresh careers forever – when the truth was that the entire groaning vessel of hopes and dreams was already under water and sinking into the eternal darkness.
      And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream? Dreams do die hard. As dreams go it was a pretty good one while it lasted, but like all dreams, it has vanished in the mists of a new morning leaving the dreamers half-sick, anxious, and drained. They have nothing to lose but their fears of the re-po man and the simulated dudgeon of telephone robot debt-collectors.
     This idea should catch on as the election season heats up. Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts – and then proceed with the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions. The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination.
     The colleges themselves will, of course, implode shortly, along with everything else currently organized on the super-gigantic scale. They are no more prepared for what is about to happen to them than the chiselers in government, banking, medicine, and global corporate enterprise. We will wonder in retrospect how they ever managed to winkle 50-grand a year for their absurd promises, and how we permitted young people with undeveloped powers of judgment to sign their financial lives away on terms even more stringent than their parents’ mortgages. When the universities do go down, tossing their employees overboard in the process, it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students. I can imagine a period of turmoil in America even harsher than, say, the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s in China where officials, professors, and authorities of all kinds were paraded through the angry mobs wearing dunce caps. Weird things happen history.
     The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.

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1,072 Responses to “Strange Jubilee”

  1. kulturcritic* April 9, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    James – the news is just a constant reminder of the path we are heading down; the nation is doomed, while we all wait our turn.
    kC
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/hoodies-anyone-or-hoodwinked-in-the-homeland/

  2. Leibowitz Society April 9, 2012 at 9:36 am #

    The world is changing, and not for the better. The people who think they can manage this transition are wrong, and so are the people who are left with an empty bag of promises and a belief that they can fill them if they are loud and angry enough.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://www.leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/peak-wealth.html for more information and commentary on our coming collapse.

  3. swmnguy April 9, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Burn Your Loan Docs! The Boomers burned their Draft Cards. Same Difference.

  4. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Second! I guess…always wanted to say that.
    JHK is wrong about the Millennials:
    “And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?”
    I teach them. I used to think this. Perhaps 20% of them in my experience have “wised up” and are angry about their lack of opportunity, as compared to their parents’ time.
    The rest expect various hand-holders to help, from academic advisors, employers who will let them work when and where the Millennial wishes, and of course, dear old mom and dad.
    This generation is turning out to be passive and confused. Their mantra is “I’m confused.”
    At least the Xers said “whatever, dude.” It was honest. And the Boomers said, before they became stodgy, “do your own thing.”
    The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for “trying.”
    They need to try harder, in the hard times ahead. JHK overestimates their ability. I hope I’m wrong and he’s right on this one, but he doesn’t teach these kids every day.

  5. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    okay, fourth!

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  6. empirestatebuilding April 9, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    Throwing off the yoke is a good idea, but I am afraid that most of the students in loan trouble are victims of Stockholm Syndrome. I just do not see the outrage. If anything I see them voting in Romney who will doom them to a lifetime of wage slavery.
    Young adults today will line up to get the first iPad but they will not line up to take control of their lives.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  7. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    “And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called “a job with benefits” waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?”
    No there probably is no Millennial so dim. So, what’s the fucking beef Jimmy?
    Anyone taking out a loan in the hope of a better future, rolled the dice. They weren’t promised dick. But they did happen to notice that about any job worth having in this day and age, requires an advanced education. And now you (being the fucking “adult” that you are) are suggesting those who took loans not repay their loans. Once again the poor moronic masses were suckered and need to be saved from themselves.
    I got an idea. All those books of yours that you are shilling on this site? Send me a hundred of each. I’ll pay you later for them. Honest :>) (Fucking dip shit.)

  8. PRD April 9, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    It’s so hard to say these things to your bright-eyed, hopeful offspring, just beginning their adult lives in their early 20s. They’ve picked up some of my cynicism, sure, and as students of environmental science, they’re not blind to the absolute mess their forebears have made of the planet.
    But, still …
    Any other parents out there who’ve sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here? Anyone actually advised their college-aged kids to just default on the school loans? Mine have school loans, though not in outrageously high amounts.

  9. bailey April 9, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    living in prague; a couple of czech students came over for a cuppa last night. the guy’s an engineer, the girl’s studying spanish and english and will work as a translator.
    unemployment is under 10% in the republic, under 3% in prague, major export country, was surprised at how great, no military cost, few on welfare, they hope their university fees will remain free, perhaps not, but they’re focused kids, serious, don’t do FACEBOOK and every reason to believe they’ll find jobs in their perspective fields once they graduate.
    mio marito does biz in kazakhstan, 8% annual growth, GDP, sending all the bright kids to oxford, harvard, etc, not nearly as corrupt as other countries in region, pres. is smart about growth, oil, keeping goldman out….
    just wish the occupy movement would actually have a ‘demands’ section in the us, then perhaps they could demand they take away the loans, cost about a trillion, banks could eat it, we bailed them out, right….
    let’s hope, it is hopeful in some places and it once was in the states….
    just get rid of the military, lol….

  10. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    My daughter is a Millennial. She’s not angry. She also hasn’t read the copy of “The Long Emergency” that I sent her more than a year ago.) She’s just disconnected. About to graduate from a Florida state university with a double-major degree in two unmarketable subjects — debt-free, thank planning! — and not nearly as politically engaged as she was in 2008 when Candidate Hopey inspired her.
    There will be no rebellion against Boomers like me and you, JHK. The young are prepared to eat whatever shit sandwich they’e fed. They have lost the will to overpower. It’s all ironic to them.
    And I feel no guilt for my privileged position in the Most Entitled Generation. I’m paying the Social Security taxes that supported my mom and dad. (At least I was before I fled the country six years ago.) That was my duty to the older generation. I might get screwed out of my SS when I stop working in whatever country I’m living in when I hit 65, but I’ve been preparing for that. If I’m screwed, it will be because of heartless bean-counting fascists in government, not because of irate, involved yoofs. They just don’t care.

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  11. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Today’s post is on target.
    Debtors all should be treated alike. If someone is permitted to bankrupt out of one form of debt, say, a $200K mortgage deficiency on a house worth half what you paid for it, plus about $300K in HELOC loans, then a youngster should be able to bankrupt out of college debt when it becomes clear that s/he will never earn enough money in a 150-year lifetime to pay back the tuition for four years of studying elitist, impractical bullshit that will never get a person a paying job.
    But this leads me to another thought. If the excuse for making college loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy is that they are owed to the taxpayers, being “government-backed”, then why are people being let off the hook for mortgage deficiencies on FHA mortgages and those bought by Fannie and Freddie?
    I can imagine, that if FHA delinquencies and defaults continue to rise, and FNMA and FMAC losses deepen, that there might be a move to make debt owed to these entities non-dischargeable, too.
    Be careful if you are thinking of springing for one of these newly cheap houses or condos.

  12. mow April 9, 2012 at 9:56 am #

    It’s a happy go shopping world .

  13. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    My daughter recently got her masters in math. She has no bills, she paid for college herself. She works at an upscale brew-pub and makes beaucoup denari. No need for the degree besides counting out change. Lately, I’ve been showing her how to use a chainsaw, shoot, and work on her car.Plus I talked her into the precious metal market rather than the big bank deposit. My buddies kid is in debt for about 100 large for a worthless degree (as far as I am concerned) in business administration. The kid can’t even change the oil in his car. It is like starting out with a mortgage but with no house to show for it!

  14. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    “[T]he wrath of the Millennials rising” I see you’ve been reading more Strauss and Howe. First it was The Fourth Turning, now Millennials Rising. Good for you. You’ll have a clearer understanding of the crisis era ahead of us, and of what the aftermath could be.
    And, yes, forgiveness of educational debt is a major issue to the rising generation of young adults. President Obama is talking about that, along with using sticks and carrots to colleges to hold down tuition. I wish him luck; he’ll need it. Maybe I should blog about that topic again; I haven’t written anything about the subject since the last time Obama visited the University of Michigan.
    As for the mass uprising at the conventions, I’m still skeptical. Millies are big on mass action, but any violence would have to be organized; spontaneous chaotic outbursts are not the kind of thing their type of civic and heroic generation is known for. Speaking of instability in Tampa and Charlotte, I find it odd is that the people in charge of security at the convention are banning Guy Fawkes masks and water pistols, things that the Occupiers would use, but not real pistols. I guess the NRA was helping draft their regulations.
    I didn’t blog about any of the above on Crazy Eddie’s Motie News this past week. Instead, I posted an essay about how the future people think they were promised, down to flying cars for the masses, jet packs, and the Star Trek vision of social harmony, won’t arrive, despite the debut of a flying car for the luxury market at the New York Auto Show this weekend. I also took advantage of the 100th anniversary of the first and final voyage of the Titanic to examine how a catastrophic failure of technology happens–a metaphor for our times. Rachel Maddow’s exposure of the corn pone fascists in the Michigan legislature acting like, well, corn pone fascists also made the cut as the most popular post of the past week. I also revisited the latest news about auto sales, gas prices, the firing of Keith Olbermann, and the theme song for my blog, (Nothing but) Flowers. All of the above have musical accompanyment. Come for the writing, stay for the music!
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  15. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Your last line says it all Bailey!

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  16. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    Any other parents out there who’ve sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here?
    I have! Not just morbidly, but with lots of tips about how to get through the coming changes as well as possible. I am personally optimistic about my chances, in part because I have several countries where I am legally entitled to live. And my daughter could have a similarly internationalized future, if she had pursued the Spanish and Japanese languages she studied in high school. (Ex-wife’s side of the family was rich, could send her to an elite private HS.)
    The response I get is “Oh Dad, you’re a Chicken Little. You’ve been talking like that for years. Nothing bad has happened yet. You’re bumming me out. Talk about something else.”
    What can I say? She was warned. When the time comes, I hope I can get her legal admission to whatever country it is where I’ll be eking out a living with my chickens and whatever food I can scratch out of the dirt…

  17. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    I see you’ve watched “The End of Suburbia,” too. I show that film to my students every semester, and it never fails to get a strong reaction out of them. The environmentalists think “it’s worse than we thought,” the conservatives get pissed off at Jim, and everyone else just goes “oh, shit.”

  18. pedal pusher April 9, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    I’m a geezer, but I’m in contact with numerous college-age kids through my daughter. These are mostly fine young people who are college bound or already attending college, but have zero intention of paying off their school loans. They really don’t think much about it. What’s more, very few of them have driver’s licenses (state IDs are becoming more common)and only one young man in the group owns a car.
    The times they are a’changin, and the young folks sense it.

  19. Lost-in-North-Dakota April 9, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Diligent students who major in engineering, agronomy, accounting, computer science, nursing, and other useful disciplines will have no trouble repaying their student loans. The same goes for a good student who goes to tech school and learns how to weld, to be a plumber, fix furnaces, clean teeth, cut hair, drive a semi, or run a CNC milling machine. But I see, every day, slackers who seldom go to class and flunk out of college after 2 years. I also see students majoring in dead-end majors with no hope of employment. The last two groups will never pay off their loans.

  20. ozone April 9, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    Senor Kunstler say:
    “The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination.”
    I say, that I absolutely concur with this idea of historical momentum and [eventual] destination; there can be no other for a place of finite resources!
    Now, this hard smack of impending reality will be resisted and pooh-poohed most petulantly into a big box of Hell-on-earth because of the ‘psychology of previous investment’ that you have so astutely observed and documented. (A lot of thrashing and protestations of, “you promised, you promised, you promised!”, will be forthcoming before the shock of, “sorry puppies, there’s no there there, it was just bid’ness you see”.)
    Just watch, you’ll see it rear it’s blind, moronic head right here on these very pages in short order! I refuse to be shocked by its’ presence any longer; I’ll simply regard it as a given and work around it, while keeping a weather-eye out for reactionary tantrums. Head down, powder dry.

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  21. damie April 9, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    I, too, teach this generation and speak almost daily to them about the challenges ahead. On board each day is posted the most important economic number and indicator, the mornings price of Brentcrude and WTI. Some of the students actively resist the information I provide. I do not blame them, they live comfortable lives and don’t want the future to be different. Other become very gloomy and immediately jump to, “We’re all going to die.” Some become empowered. I’ve helped students call for solar panels on the school roof–rejected by the board but did result in the formation of the Faculty Sustainability Committee. Even the empowered students feel their actions are as strong as a sand castle against a tidal wave. Even my own family exists in this surreal twilight of fossil fuel age. Our college age children are bounding off to academia while a significant part of me feels I should be teaching them how to garden. My own children say, “Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same.”
    The reality of the change that is in process is hard to accept. I’ve gone through my own dark moments. I believe we will have to rely on ourselves. At the same time that I think government and press will not address the problems at hand, I still write letters to the editor. I’m collecting signatures for 25% renewables in Missouri by 2025 (the electric company got the state legislature to undermine the previous ballot initiative passed in 2008 for 15% renewables).
    The readers of this blog are probably better informed than most. While you prepare yourselves for the change that is in process, take time to write a letter. Read the news and post comments refuting the conventional thinking. We need to try to turn the tide of public understanding and misinformation.
    Do what you can. Help those coming of age understand what is happening. Information is empowering.

  22. Truckee April 9, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    LAST! That is how feel on occasion but the good news is it will not last.

  23. SNAFU April 9, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Jim, To your cogent discussion I offer: Back in the “bad old days”, 1960-62, I attended the local Agricultural and Technical Institute (ATI now SUNY) and acquired an AAS degree with zero cost per credit hour. About 6 years later, 1966-68, I convinced the USAF to send me to the University of Colorado, Boulder, to obtain an Astronautical Engineering BS, as a non-resident. Cost per semester to the USAF for my attendance at CU $600, total cost for 7 semesters $4200. At the time I was a SSg/E5 salary about $4000/year. If one assumes the rate of salary increase kept pace with the rate of educational cost increase (roughly 50 times, 50000/1050) one would thereby expect an E5 today to be earning nearly $200,000/year.
    Something tells me salary increases have fallen far behind educational costs. Me thinks this just possibly may have something to do with the increased rate of transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1%, kinda similar to the precursors of the world wide frivolities kicked off by the economic crash in the late 1920’s.
    SNAFU

  24. lsjogren April 9, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    damie:
    “I’ve helped students call for solar panels on the school roof”
    Great, so you have helped encourage kids to partcipate in techno-delusionalism.

  25. andrei_timoshenko April 9, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    urp,
    There is nothing more inherently ‘dice-rolling’ than the GIVING OUT of a loan – you are giving someone else money after calculating the likelihood that they will be able and willing to repay you. Indeed, the interest you earn on that loan is compensation for bearing this very risk.
    Don’t like the risk? Then don’t issue the loans and don’t earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand.

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  26. scottstreet April 9, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    I’ve read all your books and continue to read them again and again because I know in my gut you’re right. As reality gets harder and harder to bear, I’m also rereading the Nearing’s books on homesteading. In 1970, I almost went in their direction, but unwisely signed up for a career working for the Corporate State that now threatens to destroy us all. At the moment, I’m enjoying The Kunstler Cast. Suburbia was an even bigger con than the corporate career ladder scam and now we’ve got to scramble to avoid getting hit by falling debris as the Big Lie comes crashing down. Thanks to you, Chris Hedges and other writers who aren’t afraid to tell the truth, at least it’s possible to understand the whole insane web of deceit and perhaps even find some loopholes of freedom that might save us . . .

  27. Breadman April 9, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    My best guess?
    Sometime about late October, candidate Mitt Romney will make a campaign promise to cut the amount owed on all student loans by about 60%, to be funded by making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
    By the time the rubes figure that one out, Romney will be planning his first presidential trip to Europe, and Obama will be planning his next career.

  28. dale April 9, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    Jimbo
    Maybe you should consider becoming the “Pol Pot” of America. I can certainly envision you driving us all out of the cities “for our own good”. What a knucklehead.

  29. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    “I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral.”
    I’m all for viral memes, I’m trying to start one of my own. But the millennials you speak of were the same ones who were all walking around with copies of Atlas Shrugged just a few short years ago. That’s a lot of primordial slime to crawl out of before they can develop anything but a rudementary social consciousness.
    Better a meme start with those already burdened with telephone robot debt-collectors who can’t find work to feed their families in a society that already pretends they don’t exist.
    Skip the millennials. Proceed directly to:
    “the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions.”
    Regarding draft cards. The last year it mattered cards were not issued at all because TPTB knew they would all be instant and direct contributions to global warming. That year those eligible had to wait for their letter to report with no cards to burn.

  30. Hugh Culliton April 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    I teach them too. However, I don’t think the Mellenials should take the whole rap for being under motivated, fenenstrating, slackers. The problem’s not poor clay, it’s the potter. As parents, we’ve, and I’m speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids. I’ve lost track of the number of times little Grade 10 Jimmy’s parents have given me a blast of shit and threatened me for failing their kid who did sweet F.A. all semester, and turned in no assignments. Or the ones who lie to the school and cover for the kid when he skips to smoke dope. Or how about the school boards who cave like Peruvian mine the moment some parent waves a lawyer at them. How about our politicians? Great role models there! I think Jim’s right on this one: we have not prepared the, for the future and once they get over the shock of the Long Emergency, they’re going to kick our ass. And you know what? We deserve it.
    Cheers!

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  31. loveday April 9, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Hey Clusterfuckers
    Happy Easter to all! Jim, of course the kids are gonna be pissed, they have been screwed big time by predatory government that was supposed to be looking out for them, not banks. But this stuff about the youth taking it out on their elders isn’t going to happen. Young people are very well aware that their parents are being screwed by the very same government and banks. I look for a united movement of all ages to take positive action against the real perpetrators of the huge mess the country is in. Banks, corporations, and morally bankcrupt politicians who are feeding on the wealth of all the nations and damn near have bled them dry.
    The spring should usher in much unrest as the financial situation continues to unravel and the 50% of the population that lives on poverty or near poverty incomes continues to grow. Where’s Jerry Maguire when you need him? Show us the money, cause it damn sure didn’t disappear in a black hole as Jon Corzine would like everyone to believe. Retrieval of stolen funds should be a top priority, that money would solve alot of problems.
    On another note, has anyone been following the mass resignations that have been occurring in financial, corporate and governmental circles world wide, seems that almost 700 have left their posts since last September. Check it out on American Kabuki website, most curious. Rats leaving a sinking ship? Or are shysters being told “Your services are no longer needed”. HMMM….
    loveday

  32. djc April 9, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    @smokeyjoe,
    I agree with you. I also teach High Schoolers and most of them have really bought into the “take on student loan debt for an expensive college degree” line with no understanding of what that entails. A good example is a student who is starting pharmacy school with a tuition cost of over $50,000 a year. The university is giving him $15,000 in scholarships, he’s taking $20,000 in loans and his parents will have to borrow the rest (numbers are approximate). He’ll be so buried in debt after a few years that he’s effectively sold his soul with no way to redeem his freedom.
    I know several recent pharmacy school graduates and while they are employed it certainly isn’t what they expected. One grad is working three days a week at a national health care provider and another couple of days at the local small town pharmacy—not exactly what she thought things would be.
    This whole system is a racket and the baby boomer “guidance counselors” are giving advice that is really counter to reality–this would be laughable if it wasn’t sooooooo sad.

  33. ssgconway April 9, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    “Resolve to serve no more and you are at once free. I do not ask that you place your hands upon the tyrant, but that you merely cease to obey him, and then you will behold him, like some great Colossus, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. Resolve to serve no more!’
    -Etienne de la Boiete
    ‘Discourse on Voluntary Servitude’
    You may be on to something, Mr. K.

  34. emaho April 9, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Your name inspires a similar reaction…what my kids used to do when they “urpped” up their pizza. Or does “urp” stand for Ulysses Roger Petersnapper?

  35. popcine April 9, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Here’s a plan.
    You burn the loan docs now, and for the next 10 years work in the cash economy. I mean, the underground economy. No taxes, no nothing. “Off-book.”
    Then 10 years from now you get a “job with benefits”, taxable, and you pay off your student loan with inflated dollars.
    Pretty funny, giving the government back its own.

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  36. ssgconway April 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    I’d add to this the thought that a latter-day Father Coughlin or a Huey Long will seize on this and ride it very far. We don’t get men of principle championing populist movements, in or out of electoral politics, very often. Is there a Walter Reuther somewhere out there or will it be a demagogue who seizes the idea, and then the day?

  37. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    “Don’t like the risk? Then don’t issue the loans and don’t earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand.”
    Wrong, moron. Those giving the loan, have an enforceable contract in hand. And as Obama has very recently nationalized student loans, those who refuse to repay their loans, aren’t sticking it to some Wall Street banker, they are sticking it to you and me and little Jimmy (assuming you and little Jimmy pay taxes).

  38. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    “My own children say, “Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same.”
    Yes this is the sad truth. Fantasy and reality are now so confused the belief that thinking can make it so runs rampant across the land. That we are all living in the twilight of what was the greatest golden age the human race ever knew is just too hard to face.

  39. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “…it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students.” JHK posits this in the context of the Cultural Revolution in China. Well, the formerly “distinguished” should hope so! The outcome could really be more like Pol Pot’s Kmer Rouge’ reaction to their “Intellectual Elite”. Rage often demands payback.

  40. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “…not exactly what she thought things would be.”
    Ahhh. It isn’t what she expected. And I’m supposed to support her not repaying her loan because “it isn’t what she expected”?

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  41. budizwiser April 9, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    JK’s gone rogue. Yesterday morning I posted a much more coherent visio of “what’s next.”
    And you can be sure, we won’t know what it is until after we are all a little more fucker over, and little poorer for having lived longer.
    JK, there are enough salient areas regarding the degradation of the US and it’s population. No need to make shit up – just because you are pissed about it.
    The “real deal” going down is how the rich are going to arrange for the poor and working schmucks to pay for the luxury of a nation filled with auto-centric infrastructure that will increasingly be restricted to those living off of other people’s money.
    In other words, the government will soon learn how to tax poor people to pay for roads and bridges that they can’t even afford to use.
    A new cultural polarization will be brewing – between what’s left of the “happy motoring public” and the millions and millions of those unable to afford it.
    I suspect – it may start to leak into consciousness sometime after the next election charades season…….

  42. urp April 9, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    ” I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. ”
    Go viral? From this site? Uh huh.

  43. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Good try,Popcine! Please take note, though, that at the end of the western Roman Empire, the government wouldn’t accept it’s own specie in payment of taxes! This because the specie had been so debased with base metal. In fact, payment of taxes was often made in materiel or livestock.

  44. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    Yes, I agree. But there is the small matter of food to consider.

  45. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    When the dreams of free stuff, sumthin’-fer-nuthin’, financial instruments, cheap food, and reward without work (sheep-ish-skins) go wherever it is that dreams go to die, the shit will assuredly be thrown into the fan with astonishing force. I have no doubts that we will all be splattered with some. The dosage will (of course) be determined by circumstance, but those who cannot help provide for their own needs (as well as others) will be in very deep trouble. The depths of one’s education will no longer have any weight in a world of desperate need where what one can provide will be the overarching concern. (I don’t have much use for a person who has a degree in “comparative religion”, for instance.)

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  46. jerry April 9, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    James, I do believe your hopeful premise on graduated students burning their loan contracts is pie in the sky. The OWS movement has presently fizzled out. That hopeful movement to force a redirection of thought and action by government officials has turned to dust.
    Only under the most hardship of circumstances will a graduate be able to cancel their college loans. Here is a quote I found:
    “Unless you can show that your education loan payment is an “undue hardship” on you, your family, and your dependents, your student loans are ineligible for cancellation (discharge) in bankruptcy.
    It is difficult to prove “undue hardship” unless you are physically unable to work and there is no chance of your making money. To discharge your student loans under this special case, you must file a separate motion with the bankruptcy court and present your situation before a judge.”
    Just because a person graduated from a university doesn’t mean they are rebellious and own an activist streak.
    This nation is mostly filled with Sheeple, who watch too much t.v. and drink too much beer, and care too much about Nascar.
    And, their best friend is named Bubba, and he is NOT the one who won the Master’s Golf Tournie.
    Those of us who are very alert and aware are generally helpless in the greater picture of change. All we can do is do it for ourselves and be prepared to plant the crops and split the wood.
    http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
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  47. Unconventional Ideas April 9, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    As a baby boomer, I think the best I can do is teach younger people about these realities, encourage the learning of practical homesteading skills, and otherwise model a life of intelligent response to the long emergency.
    That’s really all I can do.

  48. Rick April 9, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    So Mr Kunstler, let review the outcome of your prediction. Colleges that are left standing will accept NO ONE unless the cash is up front. Fluff departments ie most liberal studies will be devastated. Those that can get a job, engineering, perhaps chemistry etc will do well. You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.

  49. DreamCycle April 9, 2012 at 11:09 am #

    All due respect, until very recently I ran an education program for this age group and found them engaged and delightful. And my program attracted kids from all socioeconomic backgrounds–from affluent to undocumented kids. The classes were free, so they did not serve only those who had money. Smoky, if you really feel that way about your students, perhaps you need some time away from teaching them. And, as a teacher, you well know that you can never tell who you are reaching, as students often do have that delayed reaction. If you really care about your students, take heart–you may be changing lives, even when you don’t know it.

  50. urp April 9, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    “You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.”
    That is because the liberal viewpoint isn’t very bright to begin with. Nuff said.

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  51. Al Klein April 9, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    Dale, JHK won’t be driving us out of the cities for our own good. If you carefully read JHK’s writings you will realize that it will be REALITY that exacts a change in our circumstances. Your comment is based on the notion that the consequences of our folly are optional. JHK’s primary point is that the consequences are NOT optional.

  52. Bukko Canukko April 9, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    (I don’t have much use for a person who has a degree in “comparative religion”, for instance.)
    One of my daughter’s dual-major degrees! And she’s not even religious. Along with Anthropology. And she’s not even interested in digging stuff up or doing cross-cultural research.
    I mean, bless her heart for sticking to it long enough to get the sheeple-skin, but if only she had paid attention during all the years I was saying “Study foreign languages. Study foreign languages.” Now she realizes the religion degree was a waste of time, and has no idea what good the Anthro will do her. It’s nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing’s wrong?

  53. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Yeah, okay, but isn’t there always cake? ;o)

  54. sooty April 9, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    I’m with Smokey Joe about college students. I’ve taught at a large university and for years have worked at an elite liberal arts college. The kids at this college are often remarkably accomplished, informed, and motivated to work for change; in the scheme of things they have a much better chance of being employed than most.They’re very bright, well-meaning kids. But–they’ve never cut the chord and learned to rebel. So many still make daily calls to mom and dad, who helicopter overhead, to decide what classes to take or to talk about their day. While quite a few of them understand that the food, political, and economic systems are in bad shape, economics is still the leading major; the recruiting visits by Goldman-Sachs alumni are well attended; any protests must be preceded by non-violence training. A few years ago a minor move to relegate student drivers of honkin’ new 12 mpg SUVs (bought my mom and dad to “protect” their little snowflake) to a less convenient parking lot in favor of those with more fuel-efficient vehicles was met with “we don’t want to punish or alienate anyone; educating people is more productive.” Well, it wasn’t.
    I just don’t see the prerequisite cojones for Jim’s scenario. Maybe the meek will in fact inherit the earth, but by the time that happens, who knows what shape it’ll be in…

  55. Steve M. April 9, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Yeah, right. Generation Xers tried to rise up against the system twenty years ago and it didn’t work. Nirvana’s ‘Nevermind’ LP is the only remaining artifact of our youthful rage. When Kurt Cobain died, our revolt died with him. So we shrugged, turned on our TV sets, and watched “Friends” for ten years. And most of us thought something was wrong with ourselves because we were living at home with our parents instead of rooming with cool, beautiful people in Manhattan. News flash: “Friends” was not a documentary!

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  56. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    Not to mention the late fees and the interest on the late fees will certainly exceed runaway inflation.
    I only ever took out one small student loan and fees on mandatory minimum monthly payments that I was unable to pay in periods of unemployment ran my balance up quick. By the time I did pay it off I had paid back more than twice what I had originally borrowed. The experience taught me to avoid debt at all costs and today I’m happy to say I have none. The ‘low’ interest rate was not so low once payments were missed. I imagine its the same story today. I still remember the relief I felt when my balance was finally zero.
    It was truly bizarre when checks I would send would be returned because I had not paid the ‘minimum’.

  57. progress2conserve April 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    From Lbendet – who is still blocked by a 403 ban
    “A gift from a flower to the garden of Finzi-Continis
    Today on a most glorious spring day, I was running my daily laps around Washington Square Park, where I suddenly noticed big crowds of people and cops of every stripe.
    I thought this must be an OWSers special, but alas I was wrong…It was a giant pillow fight to take place and the Cops and EMS were all about.
    I finally had to ask someone what was going on and chose a NY State cop standing with an EMS cop and he went on to say that since 9/11 everything is on high alert. Whenever there’s a crowd this is the kind of coverage that is warranted and there are even plain clothes cops amongst the pillow fighters.
    He went on to say this is becoming a police state and this is just the beginning….(whoa)
    I asked him whether he thought the SCOTUS meets Abu Garib decision to strip search people for small infractions if arrested would lead to, ah…Abu Garib. I mentioned privatization of police and their pensions and he agreed that there’s going to be a lot of misplaced anger. —oh boy.
    He also said its all about greed and look who’s running for Pres.
    He said Obama had to win last time around because the world was furious at W. and Cheney. He said O did nothing for us and can’t do anything because he is told not to.
    –Out of the mouth of cops…
    Have a great Easter and Passover, folks—over and out
    —LB”
    “An addendum to my discussion with the cop: New York Magaizine’s cover story is : Has Ray Kelly Lost His Cops?
    It’s all about the numbers game and computerization called CompStat that is destroying morale in the force.”
    -Lbendet-
    Nice week’s work, JHK.
    I’ll be back with my own comments, later.
    ===========================

  58. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    “You don’t paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.” -Rick
    Well, that’s kinda tough shit, ain’t it? Reality/Nature knows [nor hearkens to] any political ideology. (Deep within his blackened and shriveled, nasty little heart, even Ulysses Roger Petersnapper senses that.)

  59. urp April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    ““Let’s tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only 10 percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after 20 years –- and forgiven after 10 years if they choose a career in public service, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college.” – President Barack Obama, January 27, 2010”
    And we’ll give them cake too. And free healthcare. And other cool stuff we haven’t thought of yet

  60. DreamCycle April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Loans, pew. Since my family had no money my college ed was almost completely funded by Pell grants and I graduated right before Reagan gutted the Pell grant program. In the 30 or so years since, I can say that I and most of my cohort, have been fully engaged in our economy, paying mortgages, purchasing goods, paying for services and giving as much as we can to various charities and causes. Many of us were also attracted to jobs where we could do some good, and not just do well. Most of this activity would have been next to impossible if we had been saddled with huge debts. To my mind, low to no cost education pays a much bigger dividend than we can even measure.

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  61. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Hugh, I agree with you. My first post my have led you to think that by “passive,” I meant “slacker.”
    NO, that’s my generation, the Xers straight out of Kevin Smith’s Clerks.
    You wrote:
    “The problem’s not poor clay, it’s the potter. As parents, we’ve, and I’m speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids.”
    This is the problem. Howe and Strauss, while studying the affluent youth of Northern VA (as if there are not other kinds of Millennials) note it, too. They are protected and coddled and ushered from one planned activity to another by well-meaning Boomer parents. The Millennials have been told, from birth, that each of them is a beautiful and special snowflake and they will change the world.
    What a crock of crap. To continue with Tyler Durden for a moment (an Xer hero if ever there were one), what they needed to hear is “You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You’re the same decaying organic matter as everything else.”
    These Millennials are nice kids who collaborate, use technology well, and respect authority. Too much–they expect us to tell them where to stand, how to move from A to B to Z (with instructions at each letter in between). Raised on “Standards of Learning” that stymie critical thinking, they are passive.
    These kids, ill equipped to adapt to change, will inherit the debris their elders, including my Slacker peers, leave them. Not slack, these kids.
    Just passive, texting while the country goes to hell. And they are doomed, the minute their social hive online blinks and goes dark; JHK puts too much faith in them.

  62. Smokyjoe April 9, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    We teach in different setting. Millennials are nice kids. They are eager, but they’ve been poorly raised and lack critical-thinking skills and flexibility.
    I worry about them.

  63. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    No that was then, this is now. Now its let them eat shit.

  64. Jim from Watkins Glen April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    Two things insist on constant growth as a measure of success: an economist and a cancer cell. Both eventually kill their host. Our host system of economics, now in its death throes, has had such a hold on our world view that we are unable to envision a viable succession plan. We turn to jackasses like Mel Gibson for the grizzly version, or Pat Robertson for the happy rapture ending. A more intimate, mundane daily slog is likely in store–as so well described by our host in World Made by Hand and The Witch of Hebron.

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  67. greyghost05 April 9, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses. My son came home from school and told me he is considering joining the service after he graduates next year. “But Dad,they’ll pay for school. Just like they did for you.” Not exactly what I wanted to hear. Go to school become a Doctor ! Being a Medic on an A Team doesn’t pay as well as a Nip Tuck out in the Hamptons. Go for the bucks !

  68. SDGreg April 9, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Wouldn’t another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we’ve become very dysfunctional at solving anything.

  69. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    I remember stopping by to see my undergraduate adviser many years after I had graduated. It was 2001 and I was returning for an advanced degree. He was happy to see me and when we talked he commented that he missed having students like me. I was surprised by his comment and asked him why. My belief at the time was that things pretty much always stay the same and only faces change.
    He explained that everything was different and all his new students cared about was partying and doing the bare minimum to get by. He missed students who were passionate about learning, like me.

  70. ccm989 April 9, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Obviously being a French Major is not a very good idea, especially if it comes with a $250,000 four-year price tag. I tell my children I will pay for college if they have a practical major like medicine, engineering, math, science, etc. No Women’s Studies, Fine Art Majors or anything like that.
    People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India. It’s probable that the world economy is in a Permanent Economic Contraction. Too many workers and not enough jobs. Especially with all US jobs being outsourced to third world countries so CEOs can continue to collect massive multi-million dollar salaries. Not just outsourcing factory jobs but Wall Street jobs as well. Anyone can use a computer anywhere in the world.
    Really don’t understand the mind set of the 1%. How much money does one person need? How many mega-mansions? The Paul Ryan budget is designed to make the super rich even richer at the expense of turning the rest of us into third world peasants. Who wants to live in a third world country? They are dangerous places but the 1% seems not to care. Do they think the extra tax breaks will allow them to wall us out so we can’t get to them? Greed has apparently blinded them and destroyed whatever conscience they might have had.
    What’s especially troubling is all the yahoos who want to make birth control IMPOSSIBLE to afford or even get. 7 billion souls live on this planet. 7 billion hungry souls who are all looking for 3 squares and a roof over their head. Nothing can wall out 7 billion desperate people. Doesn’t the 1% know how perilous they are making their own future? Desperation makes people crazy, dangerous and completely unpredictable. And if you’re desperate, you’ve got nothing to lose. Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?

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  71. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    But that would require drive, ambition and a plan.

  72. ozone April 9, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Gol’durnit, I was hoping you wouldn’t say that. ;o)
    (Sounds dee-lish, but how much nutritional value does this shit contain?)

  73. azgog April 9, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Since education has been turned into another for-profit racket, complete with inflated expectations and record expenses, we can expect another bubble style writedown. The analogy to the housing market is strong, except you can’t foreclose on a college degree or squat inside it as a last resort.
    Yet it remains very popular with the Banks because it can’t be discharged, is guaranteed by the Gov’t (aka the taxpayer) and most importantly gets the lender in on the ground floor of the young consumer’s future debt slavery.
    Students would be well advised to select their field of study with care – most of the fluff degrees will be worthless but there will continue to be a need for people who can actually do something, like sewer plant operators, food producers and pothole fillers.

  74. greyghost05 April 9, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Liberals ! Still seeking the puppies & kittens answers to the dark clouds gathering. Their BOHICA attitude is one of the many reasons that kids are coming out of school unprepared. Thank you NEA for setting the standards so low IQ’s don’t count. After all, it could be considered hurtful to reward little Johnnie WASP and not Kinta Jammiel Da Homie.

  75. stennerj April 9, 2012 at 11:55 am #

    jim, I totally agree with you about the swindle of higher ed. There Jre so many pointless degrees in gender studies and sport science that do not prepare students for anything useful. I have pointed my own son to go to the local tech college and study to be an electrical installer – a job with a future. My other son may train to be a teacher – another practical outcome. The dream is over and it’s time people woke up!

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  76. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    As a so-called member of the so-called Gen-X crowd, I find it interesting to watch the generation “behind me” play out their angst. I agree, there are some nice ones, but scratch the surface further and you get anomalies like Facebook and MySpace (what’s left of it) and 4chan and other phenomena that boggle my mind. They have no concept of privacy, and it does stem from a lack of critical thinking, as I can’t count how many times I’ve seen “the next great generation” do stupid, vapid things that are against their own best interests. Here is a generation dumb enough to post about how great their party experience was while playing hooky from work, not expecting the boss to check in on them (a true story, by the way). Facebook boasts that they can detect affairs online before the “other” person can, Google would love to know more about the inside of my ass if I’d let them, and the concept of not getting a mutual masturbation session from a TSA agent is something they can’t comprehend, even though I fondly recall being able to board a plane at an airport without the public grope.
    Gen-X may have seemed disaffected with their “we’re doing our thing, buzz off” attitude, but at least they had a reason. They watched their parents get the shaft from “The System” (for you boomers out there, read as: “The Man”) via mass layoffs, dwindling union power, plundered pensions, decreased civil liberties, the incestant drumbeat of consumerism, and even now, the boomers madly scramble for scraps of retirement that are being siphoned away from them via Wall Street scams. Why do you think so many Gen-X were so reluctant to join a system that bent them and the knee with a jar of lube? “We” all knew what was in store for us, “we” all knew that delaying or resisting it as much as possible was the only civil choice we had left (as violence was a last resort, despite all of the cheesy 80’s action flicks that were spewed at us from Hollywood), and “we” either (a) ended up on the fringe eeking out our living, but living happily in lives that are fulfilling, or (b) ended up in the system, but have been very, very cautious about what things we sign off on, leery that the next piece of paper shoved in front of us to sign will be the same disaster our folks went through.
    Me, I didn’t make it through college (for literal lack of food) and ended up in the ‘burbs, but at least I ended up in the ‘burbs with a wood stove, a rack of wood hidden under a tarp, a back yard that gets enough sunlight to grow food, and quick access into – and more importantly out of – town. Gee, I wonder why I would choose to live like that? I carry my multitool with me in my pocket at all times, I have done scores of rides on mass transit (to where I know all the best ways around it locally), my unfortunate need for a car means that my car is used, low-miles, and in the back of my mind always considered disposable in the next 3 years, and last but not least, and I read a whole lot more about what is happening and what I need to do to keep my family from starving to death when this time comes. Next on the list, a functioning greenhouse prototype, decreased motoring / increased public transit, and teaching myself how to start a fire without the use of oil-based products. When’s the last time you started a fire with just a match, no “firestarter” logs and no propane insta-click lighters? How about starting the fire with no matches, just a flint and steel camping arrangement? Do you keep 5 gallon water jugs in your garage? Have you cooked on top of your wood stove? I do, and I have. Something to think about when the electrical infrastructure fails, which should be right around the time I’ve converted all of my digital data into printed copy, so no family photo or written text will be left behind.
    You underestimate us, and forget about us, because frankly, there aren’t enough of us to matter, despite the fact that we may be a better bet on the future. We recall what it was to be without computers, the internet, cell phones, and other constructs of our world today. We remember some of the lost cultural knowledge and have lived through the parts of history that most millennial still get wrong (you wouldn’t believe the number of times I’ve read something that was completely the opposite of what I lived through, and always by someone under 30). We’re not taking this any more idly than we did back in the 90’s. Many of us are doing rather than ignoring, things like alternative housing, urban farming, low-impact living, alternative or low-energy lifesytles, and on and on. We’re the folks silently getting ready and figuring out how to gracefully transition “down”, and as usual, we’re doing it without “The System”, thank-you-very-much.
    Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off.
    Naw, who am I kidding? Most of them can’t even get through the day without their Ritalin.

  77. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts…

    I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no “Like” between the draft and student loans.
    The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the “Selective Service System.” A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.
    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.
    Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.
    In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.
    In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don’t challenge authority.

  78. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    “Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?”
    Bingo — but its not exactly that their delusions trump reality. As long as there are people to generate the surplus on which they survive they prevail. That the surplus may not be enough to share with those who produce it is irrelevant to them. When life was miserable and cold and life expectancy on average was 32 years (the early 1800s) they had a surplus which allowed them to live very comfortably. Smallpox was the ‘poor mans friend’ which did not ravage those with an adequate diet and who on average were significantly taller then the poor.
    I have lived long enough to know that the lessons learned by one generation are frequently forgotten by the generations which follow. The social structure of the 0.1% however endures generation upon generation. That’s what Harvard and the Skull and Bones is all about, continuity.

  79. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    FORMATTING CORRECTION

    Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts…

    I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no “Like” between the draft and student loans.
    The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the “Selective Service System.” A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.
    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.
    Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.
    In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.
    In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don’t challenge authority.

  80. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    Ugh. Reading through my last post, I can see that the need for an edit-your-posting button. So many grammatical errors. My bad. Forgive a hasty posting done in the early morning.

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  81. Norman Conquest April 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    I’m afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the ‘psychology of previous investment’. He has invested so much of his time and energy in his vision of the future that he cannot disinvest himself from his own predictions. One should note that virtually none of JHK’s prophecies have come to pass. We are, however, left with an ever diminishing present which is, in actuality, the future in real time. This is the Long Emergency, except that growing your own garden has been rendered unsustainable by the continuing, and growing, fallout from the Fukushima disaster. It’s no longer enough to say: “I have seen the Future, and it stinks!” This reality in which we already live, an endless financial depression coupled with an all powerful police state, already has the pervasive stench of terminal social decay. We needn’t wait upon the Future to turn our world inside out and upside down. It is already here and it’s infinitely more monstrous than any of us could imagine.

  82. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    No nutritional value but as one resource becomes scarce another of inferior quality usually takes its place. Technology occasionally finds a superior substitute but that actually rare. Oil is currently a great example. Oil comes in many forms but the EROEI or ‘nutritional value’ it has goes down every year.
    The transition from cake to shit is the normal course of events.

  83. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Just try and do the best you can. A post with grammatical errors is better than no post at all.

  84. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Hey, spammer! Next time, you might want to find a Polish to English translator before you copy and paste your ads. Actually, I hope there isn’t a next time for your commercial speech here. Bloody Viking!

  85. Ammond April 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Jim, I think you another class. Those of us who are over 60 are impacted also.
    “The burden of paying for college is wreaking havoc on the finances of an unexpected demographic: senior citizens.
    New research from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York shows that Americans 60 and older still owe about $36 billion in student loans, providing a rare window into the dynamics of student debt. More than 10 percent of those loans are delinquent. As a result, consumer advocates say, it is not uncommon for Social Security checks to be garnished or for debt collectors to harass borrowers in their 80s over student loans that are decades old.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/senior-citizens-continue-to-bear-burden-of-student-loans/2012/04/01/gIQAs47lpS_story.html?hpid=z2

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  87. TrE April 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    Inflated expectations -> Dashed hopes.
    Deflation of those inflated expectations -> Long overdue.
    One Gen Xers perspective:
    What our Grandparents got right: Hanging together through truly trying times.
    What our parents got right: Letting their kids learn hard life lessons, drink from the garden hose, play outside unsupervised, but guiding us when necessary.
    What we’re getting right: Realistic expectations of society, of ourselves, and of life. Little or no sense of entitlement.
    What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I’ve read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, “OK. But what can we DO about this?”
    What our Grandparents got wrong: Four years fighting on distant shores did not actually entitle you to Happy Motoring & air-conditioned everything (thanks JHK)
    What our parents got wrong: Not realizing that investing resources in private spaces at the expense of the public realm has actually robbed us of our humanity.
    What we’re getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)
    What the Millenials are getting wrong: You aren’t actually owed anything. You never were. You aren’t now. And you never will be.

  88. ozone April 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    “You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses.” -GG
    I think that’s an “option” (as your son seems to entertain) that will be the final spasm of the paper empire: Food PROVIDED for enforcers only; everyone else will either dirty their hands or perish (even in the gulags, or especially so). Then it’s Orlov’s chaos when the “defensive forces” can no longer be paid in any tangible sense, and resulting various criminal organizations (your basic piracy) until the inevitable whittling down of the population to carrying-capacity levels.
    You could say that’s not a very good prognostication of growth and recovery. ;o)
    Drill, baby drill! (Overheard at an emergency dental clinic.)

  89. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    I have a couple of student loans. Should have been paid off a long time ago. But, I refinanced one and the company I did this with lost track of the accounting. Huge differences in the balance I thought I had and what they thought I owed. I haven’t made a payment on that one for about twenty years. The other was sold to HFC when the originating bank went out of business. HFC, for some mysterious reason which was never explained to my or THEIR satisfaction, changed the account number of the loan and THEY lost track of the account balance. Both have been hanging in mid-air for over twenty years.
    Have fun kids!!!

  90. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    It started out as Chinese and was translated to polish. The Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China or ‘Publicity Department’ is trying to hide their tracks.
    But then, your guess is as good as mine.

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  91. rippedthunder April 9, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Nice post Quieteyes, I think you’ll find that most of the ol’timers on CFN have done all these things. Me, I can start a fire anywhere, anyhow, but while it is available I prefer a propane torch ;o) Water? Sheeeeet I’ve got a collection system that holds 550 gallons. Beans, Band-aids, and Bullets. You can’t go wrong with the three B’s

  92. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wen they have you firmly by the short-hairs its advantageous for them to change the account number and loose track of the account balance. When the dust settles you owe more money. How convenient.

  93. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Wouldn’t another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we’ve become very dysfunctional at solving anything.”
    But, since NAFTA, CAFTA & Shafta, you just can’t pack up and go just anywhere. Most countries have minimum income and self support requirements now, meaning that THEY are not going to support you, you gotta be able to support yourself, WITHOUT taking a job away from a local person.
    But in the US, corporations can still bring in employees from India to displace the local talent.
    Dee

  94. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    To close out a thread from last week:
    Back in the day my wife and I were practicing Catholics (though I had abandoned any serious belief in key tenets of the religion and she entered churches not really to worship but more as a tourist/anthropoligist would enter a temple in an exotic foreign land). Nevertheless, our children were baptised, took catechism classes and were confirmed.
    Our articulate and serious minded young priest did not treat baptism lightly. We had to take a class one evening along with two other couples who were also preparing to have newborns baptized. To do justice to the subject of Baptism one could easily spend a semester but we three couples endured only perhaps two or three hours squirming on hard wooden chairs in the priest’s rectory office the highlight of which instruction had to do with Baptismal naming. A Google search in this regard reveals the following:
    “From the earliest times names were given in baptism. The priest is directed to see that obscene, fabulous, and ridiculous names, or those of heathen gods or of infidel men be not imposed. On the contrary the priest is to recommend the names of saints. This rubric is not a rigorous precept, but it is an instruction to the priest to do what he can in the matter. If parents are unreasonably obstinate, the priest may add a saint’s name to the one insisted upon.”
    At a minimum the priest recommended using the name of a good and beloved relative such as an Uncle. He added that the naming of children in general, apart from a Baptismal name, should not be taken lightly, not be obscene, fabulous or ridiculous. This admonition stuck with me and came immediately to mind (decades ago) when I happened to learn that the O. in O.J.Simpson stood for Orenthal and that a particular aunt had become the default go-to maker-upper of names for new babies in the family. The article I read claimed that these names were completely contrived out of thin air as you might imagine certain prescription drug names are conceived. To be fair Wikipedia says “His aunt gave him the name Orenthal, which supposedly was the name of a French actor she liked.”
    Apparently this practice of dreaming up names unconnected to anything relevant in the family of a newborn has become common in black culture. There was, for example, a professional football player, named Peerless Price. When asked how he got this name he told the story from family lore that his pregnant mother was sitting on the front stoop thinking about what to name the baby when a truck rolled by with “Peerless Furniture” painted on its side. The rest is history. Ironically, for all my thinly veiled derision of these odd contrived names, I like this one for its alliteration and the challenge of a reputation to be lived up to. *Peerless*
    Not only do these names come out of thin air but it is a virtual certainty that they will not be common in any way to the names of the majority anglo culture in which they and their ancestors have been surrounded (if not immersed) for up to 400 years. Unquestionably and understandably this is the result of a seething leftover animosity from slavery. One might have expected though, 150 years after emancipation and 50 years after the gains of the civil rights era, affirmative action, busing to achieve racial equality, school lunch programs, etc, that this animosity would have fizzled to some degree and there would be increasing signs of assimilation of blacks into the majority, dominant and original Anglo culture (setting aside the native American Indians long since overwhelmed).
    But no, the progress toward such assimilation has been paltry at best and may even be reversing. After all these years blacks and whites are still effectively speaking different languages (a pet peeve of mine). We know, for example, with 90% accuracy (my estimate) that an annonymous customer rep with whom we are dealing on the phone (sight unseen, obviously) is black. But if Jeremy Lin is on the phone we have no idea we are speaking to a Chinese American.
    This naming practice has become so thoroughly entrenched that we are actually surprised when when a black is named Tom, Dick, or Harry.
    The FRED essay linked by Vlad the other day made clear the effect of these contrived black names: the erection of an insuperable wall between blacks and whites.
    Asoka might say I’m delusional or paranoid. Buck might say “but consider the context, consider the rationale.” At random I googled up the rosters of several NBA and NFL pro teams (where I knew I could find a large number of black names condensed for me in one place [the NBA is 82% black]) and cherry picked these names: LaDainian, Plaxico, D’Brickashaw, Jamaal, Marquice, Darrelle, Dedrick, Jamarko, Amar’e, Deron, MarShon, Lavoy, Jamar, Joselio, DeSean, Jaiquawn, Trevard, LeSean, Asante, Jameer and Delonte. And now we can add to this list the non-athlete name Trayvon.
    I doubt there was once a mother explaining to her future black star athlete son (as my onetime priest would have had it) that he was named in honor of a wonderful, kind, generous and successful great uncle named D’Brickashaw Jones. Nor will you find, I would guess, a dozen white people in the entirety of the United States with any of these names on their birth certificates.
    Long gone, for the most part, are the names of black athletes from an earlier era like Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, [Sugar] Ray leonard and Thomas [Hitman] Hearns.
    For contrast, take this following list of 10 names I came up with by Googling “Famous Asian American Athletes.” B.J.Penn, Ron Darling, Dat Nguyen, Kristi Yamaguchi, Roman Gabriel, Apolo Anton Ohno, Hines Ward, Michelle Kwan, Michael Chang, Tiger Woods and potentially, soon to be added, Jeremy Lin. Some of these, mind you, were not born in the U.S. and were born before any intention to emmigrate had solidified. There is a genuine feel that the parents of these athletes wished to see their children assimilate into the dominant culture.
    Based on names alone, FRED’s proposition that blacks and whites are immiscible seems incontrovertable while this is not true of nearly all [other] immigrant groups. One group after another of wretced refuse from the world’s teeming shores arrived long after the blacks, were absorbed into the dominant culture, leaving the blacks willfully standing apart behind them.

  95. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    “People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India.”
    Say, remember when it was China & India trying to compete with the US? The US waz the GOAL!
    How sad.
    Dee

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  96. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Money? What is this “money” that you refer to?

  97. Unconventional Ideas April 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Of course, in the long emergency, careers in the medical, engineering, math and science fields will remain firm, steady, and even grow, right? People who can “cut the mustard” would be wise to flock to those bastions of job security, right?
    How about a major in history with four years of Spanish (to the point of fluency), and four years of college athletics (track and cross country)? A stupid course of action, right?
    I mean in the long emergency, Spanish fluency, critical thinking skills, and an ability to organize and coach young people who want to compete and have fun, are all completely worthless skills, right?
    By the way, I have a daughter at a top twenty graduate school who is working on her PhD in math. She’s got it made, right?
    Unfortunately, that’s not what I’m hearing or seeing.
    At the end of the day, I suspect critical thinking skills might matter in the long emergency. But then again, I may be missing something.

  98. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard. You’re a Statist – exactly what the Founders warned us against.
    Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.

  99. CynicalOne April 9, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    PRD,
    Our child had an average amount of student loan debt until just recently.
    Her first two years were paid for by us and with scholarships. Then she “sat out” for over a year. When she went back to finish, she was newly unemployed and took out the student loans.
    We weren’t sure if she would stick with it and so we told her that if/when she got her degree, _then_ we would help her pay off the debt, which we have.
    We never advised her to default. We did, however, advise her to _never_ do that again. If it should ever make any kind of sense to go back to school in the future…find a way to pay as you go. No More. Debt. After numerous conversations on the subject and her knowledge of the predicaments some of her friends are in, I am convinced she
    “gets it”.
    We have removed this burden from her shoulders, but this was a one-time deal. She’s on her own now. Debt free. I hope she makes the right financial decisions from here on.

  100. laceration April 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    I’m not expecting the Millennials to rise up. From what I’ve seen in my local smalltown withering Occupy scene,the Millennials are the most underrepresented group. The most represented group are the baby boomers. The impetus torwards revolution from the baby boomers was actually just a small part of them, most were just part of the herd. The true radicals never bought into the fraudulent American Dream and have been pineing away all these years and were eager to reenlist in Occupy. I was present for one discussion where half a dozen boomers all found out they had each been part of the SDS in their youth. Another thing I noticed at the withering Occupy is that Americans expect others to do things for them. We are an infantile people. Change will only be something that happens to them. The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything, unfortunately people being what they are, I do not see this happening.

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  101. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    urp burp! you should excuse yourself

  102. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    But college is where the best looking babes are, Jim. Besides, where else can you party for 5-6 years and have the government pay for it. Babes to hook up with, free beer, getting to sleep late … what more can you ask!!
    –WSP7

  103. mobocracy April 9, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    The larger problem here is “college syndrome” — the idea that EVERYBODY needs to “go to college”.
    In my opinion, it’s a cultural relic of a well-intentioned desire by parents of working class backgrounds 50 years ago to have their children not work on the assembly line or selling used cars “like we did”.
    The problem is, it no longer conveys an advantage because so many people go to college. A BA degree in any subject is largely valueless, and even in the narrow areas where it still conveys some value (law, medicine, engineering) it is fading quickly as more and more people grab MBAs or other masters degrees in an endless paper race for educational superiority.
    The other problem is the notion that “everyone should go to college” has is that it completely devalues blue collar careers at any level. I’m “college educated” and know electricians and plumbers I’d consider smarter than I am.

  104. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Most of the Millenials are dumb fucks to be sure. But at least some of them seem to be more racially conscious than either the Boomers or the Xers. Prejudice has given way to real knowledge based on real experience with Blacks and Browns. And all the attacks against Whites on Youtube aren’t hurting either. They know that the happy talk from the MSM on Race is just crap.

  105. Biased Observer April 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    “And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality.”
    So why are all of this nation’s woes the fault of Baby Boomers, especially this one? I am 58 years old. I went to high school from 1967- 1971. I CLEARLY recall that my entire high school class was “encouraged” (no; “pressured” is better) to go to college. I remember one teacher telling a class of us kids that if we didn’t go to college we could end up as “ditch diggers”. Hilariously, one classroom wit retorted that backhoe operator are paid very well, thank you!
    Understand, if you will that these teachers were then in the 30 year old and up range. So they would have been born around 1937 or, in many cases prior to that year. No, you can’t lay this one at the doorstep of “Boomers”. The education racket is a lot older than we are, and this nation’s demise was started prior to our coming of age. For example, I remember that the outsourcing of manufacturing was started as early as the 1960’s. It is not possible to have a healthy ecomomy without a healthy manufacturing sector. The good paying jobs were shipped out, and foreigners (Indians, primarily) were brought in to take what was left of semi-decent paying service sector employment (computer programmers, nurses, etc.)

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  106. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    One more thing, on a more serious note. Bankruptcy does not get you out from underneath of a Federal student loan. I read recently — I can’t remember where — there are actually people serving sentences Federal Prison right now who tried to welch on student loans.
    In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere, in abandoned shopping centers and abandoned public schools, enlisting unqualified students (by he thousands) for the sole purpose of getting their hands on that govt. student loan swag. Many of the students are minority. These schools are not accredited, and the degrees they grant are worthless. Its really reprehensible, yet nothing is being done about it.
    –WSP7

  107. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Just a little tidbit for ya’ll to ruminate on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVBtbFhDyg&feature=player_embedded

  108. Nickelthrower April 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Greetings,
    Here is a quick and amusing Millennial story.
    So my daughter brings her boyfriend over so I can meet him. He is going to a community college near here but wants to transfer to Berkeley. I pop out my Apple Itouch and show him where I downloaded all the classes I wanted to “take” from Berkeley and MIT. These are classes in electrical engineering which I used to teach myself electronics which I then used to start my own business. In as little as 3 years, I went from knowing nothing about electronics to producing a product that you guys here whenever you turn on the TV or Radio. (Aeorsmith, Miley Cyrus, Tyga, Glee, Turner Broadcasting, etc) The best part??? all free.
    I further went on to explain that the only reason I went to college was that the internet didn’t exist (as we know it now) so I had to go there to learn. Why, I asked, would anyone go into debt to learn something that they can learn online for free?
    Nothing I said mattered as these kids (my daughter included) are brainwashed into thinking that the only way anyone can learn anything is by paying lots and lots of money. If it doesn’t cost thousands of dollars then it must have no value.
    I really feel for this spoiled generation.

  109. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    who is saying anything about “free” health care single payer is just more efficient than a “for profit” system.

  110. bearfoot April 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    get your own blog!

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  111. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    Did you catch John Derbyshire’s article about “The Talk” he would give to his kids about Blacks? It got him fired from National Review. He has joined an august group of Conservatives who told the Truth and got the axe: Sam Francis and Joe Sobran to name two.
    Briefly and in a measured tone and charitable voice, he says everything I have said in the last few years. To wit, that while individual Blacks may be fine, in groups they are dangerous and destructive. What he doesn’t do is explore the social implications of all this as I have tried to do.
    Significantly, neither nor Fred Reed as White Nationalists since they both have married non Whites – Reed a Mexican and Derbyshire an East Asian.

  112. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    Plus a lot of the classes in college today are internet based. There are even discussion threads where you can exchange ideas about course content. So if you dig Shakespeare and Chaucer, as opposed to ditches, you can read up on it, explore comments on your own, and formulate your own ideas.
    College is a scam used to take from the young and enhance, you guessed it, the big banks. When they start taking literally everyone who applies (can fog a mirror), the value of college goes down. Sounds like a redux of the housing bubble to me. Same shit, different day! Chao, for now, BITCHES!

  113. urp April 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    You mean like our “single delivery system” the U.S postal service?
    Oh yeah, those folks are extremely efficient. Ditto the Dept of Education, the EPA, etc. etc. etc.
    We are not bankrupt, as a nation, because the efficiencies of our innumerable “single delivery agencies”.

  114. Metzengerstein April 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Jim,this is going to sound strange too, but what would be really great is if Suze Orman could have you on her show! She rails against the banks and personal debt constantly and against the student-loan racket in particular. She still has an almost touching faith in capitalism, though — you might be able to push her over the edge into calling for your student-loan jubilee idea.

  115. Quieteyes April 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    get your own blog!

    I did! It does what it should be doing – collecting dust on a decript part of the internet!
    Seriously, if you’re going to use a reverse-privacy-diary, oops, I meant “blog”, then you might as well use it to teach or do something meaningful, besides posting brain farts.
    I gave up on it, partly because it seemed like a waste of time, and partly because no-one wants to hear or listen to some dumbass (i.e. me) pontificate about how you could make your life better and the lives of others better by actually doing something. It seems most people would really, really like to hear about how someone had to visit the local Emergency Room for an obstructed bowel movement, and share “the experience” of getting their first rectal exam.
    (obligatory link for the tl;dr crowd: a fine example of what not to post in public: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262412 )
    I appreciate the dual-nature of your post – on the one side, you’re saying “get out of here and go elsewhere because we don’t appreciate your kind here”, on the other you’re saying “that was potentially interesting information, can you do it over here so it can be productive”. My response is, well, slightly sarcastic, but also slightly serious. I figured a dual-answer for a dual-proposition made sense. 🙂

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  116. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    The Derbyshire Link:
    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/#axzz1rSPpK2bA

  117. PRD April 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    @ KYOOSHTIK
    My wife works in an inner-city hospital. Nearly all of her Af/Am patients who deliver babies give them names no one’s ever heard before. Once, one of her patients gave her babies one of these odd names, then asked my wife: “How do you spell that?” My wife said, “How on Earth would I know? You just now made it up!”
    Ha ha.

  118. swmnguy April 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    I come from a family of higher education types. I’m the only of my 9 siblings to not have an advanced degree. The fact that I never completed my 4-year degree is something they can’t even comprehend. I’m no dumber or smarter than they are, I think. It’s just that at some point I realized it was a game, and I saw how it was played and how to win or lose, and I completely lost interest. I get along fine with my family. I lend them money, and don’t fret the repayment.

    All my relatives complain constantly about the current crop of kids. I can’t say they’re wrong. But I don’t think they’re right, either. Every new group of kids has different ways of communicating, and finds significance in different things. My son is 14, and he and his friends are the nicest, smartest group of people I know. Sure; right now they’re a lot smarter than dumb ol’ Dad, but every once in a while they drop one on me that shows me that they weren’t just listening; they were thinking, too, and they’ve added something I hadn’t thought of.

    The boy is an 8th grader in a Minneapolis Public middle school. On a recent morning he said, “Dad? What do you know about ‘passive construction’?” I said, “It’s how good liars lie.” He laughed, and said, “That’s what my English teacher said.” He picked up the local paper and scanned a story on Iran’s nuclear threat. He pointed out phrases like, “possibly,” “may,” “could,” “according to experts,” “It is thought,” and a hypothetical doomsday scenario spun by a “Security Expert.” He said, “This is all a pack of lies, isn’t it?” I said, “I don’t know, but you’re picking up the telltale warning signs. When you see that kind of language, you need to know to be careful.”

    He then read a story on the “improving” economy. He asked, “When they say retail sales are up, do they mean people are buying more stuff, or that prices are going up?” He followed that one up by asking, “Why is it good when credit goes up? Doesn’t that mean people have more debt? Isn’t that bad?”

    He marked up a couple of articles and cut them out. “Extra Credit in English,” he said. The Minneapolis Public Schools are clearly doing something right.

    He’s planning, as are a group of his friends, to go to local Community College and then see what they can do for education without getting caught in the debt trap. They’re talking about traveling right after High School, to get an idea of what it is to take care of one’s self, and have an idea of what hard living is, so they don’t sit around eating Cheetos and smoking dope, running up huge debt on a degree they only vaguely want because they’re told they should want it.

    They’re getting the idea that there isn’t any Santa In The Sky to take care of them, be it government or an employer or what have you. Moreover, that’s a good thing, not a scary thing. They’re learning that you can’t be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first. Whenever they find a metaphorical treat, they’re looking it over closely, to see where the hook is hidden.

    It’s easy, and alluring, to say the kids are all morons. When I was a kid, though, everybody watched “The Dukes of Hazzard” on primetime TV. We’re not that much dumber today. And the stretch between presented reality and actual experience is getting so wide; the cognitive dissonance so unbearable; the kids might not be keying on in the things that occur to me most naturally, but they’re seeing the things they need to see. They’ll do fine when it becomes their world.

  119. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    She also abruptly started talking about a year ago how people really don’t need their own homes to be happy. I think she takes her cues from her network higher ups. And they from their Banking higher ups. Shit rolls downhill and the hoi polloi must begin to lower their expectations. Helpful friends like Snooze are just the ticket.
    I don’t buy the lady next door image either. Lesbo is my guess.

  120. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    JIM!! Everyone, Id like to share a true and recent story!
    One SUNDAY at 6am I got a call, the caller sounded Filipino. Wanting a ‘Miss X’. Well she lived in the next building years ago.
    Then I ‘got it’. I have a landline and they got my # because hers is a cell and shes moved out of state. Well! They want her to pay her student loan!
    They keep calling but have promised 4X? to stop harassing me. This happened years ago with the Police calling me and bill collectors wanting to ‘speak to another neighbors gal pal’ [who was never on the lease].
    Will there be indentured serfs? Debtors prisons?
    6 am on a Sunday morning they called, and they keep saying they wont call me anymore.

    Listening to Rush now, he says there will be 4000? more IRS agents to go after the uninsured!!!!

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  121. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    15 years ago a friend was getting his PHD in Physics at UCLA. He said the students were uninspired and showed up at his office to ask
    ‘grade grub’ questions.
    Perhaps 1 or 2 in a class were what he called ‘bright’. Overall they were ‘on their way to med school’if they could get in.
    UCLA = U C Lotsa Asians.
    Oh someone else claims UCLA is now mostly foreigners.

  122. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    I believe you. The times are extreme and thus bring out the extremes in human nature, both the good and the bad; the smartest and the stupidest; the survivors and the sheep. You are a lucky man to have such a son who has followed you into not being a follower.
    I’m reminded of what the Media do when minorities go on a killing spree: immediately emote how they hope there is no reaction. In other words, worry about what might happen and ignore what actually did happen. I think it was General Wesley Clark who said after the Fort Hood massacre: The real tragedy would be if multiculturalism in the military was hurt. So much for the soldiers who died. No Tragedy – they were just White Americans.

  123. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    ‘the idea that EVERYBODY needs to “go to college”.’
    Clinton in the 90s actually said just that.
    College seems to be a race to the bottom!
    PC group think, MECHA, Laraza, wetbacks [especially
    in this area] and especially the for profit schools, loan scams and online classes.
    Ill post a bit about the gang of 88, such monsters.

  124. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and these ones..
    rest of article is online:
    Whatever Happened to the Group of 88?
    By KC Johnson
    A few years ago, Cornell University spokesperson Thomas W. Bruce rejoiced that the Ivy League school had brought to Ithaca a man whose “distinguished background in contemporary global cultural studies,” and whose “unique perspectives and talents” would “add to the range of reasoned intellectual discourse at Cornell.”
    The professor about whom Bruce gushed was Grant Farred, whose latest contribution to “intellectual discourse at Cornell” came when he labeled two graduate students “black bitches.” One of the most extreme members of the Group of 88 (the Duke faculty members who issued a guilt-presuming public statement two weeks into the lacrosse case), Farred had denounced as “racist” those Duke students who registered to vote in Durham; and had wildly charged that unnamed lacrosse players had committed perjury. Duke’s settlement with the three falsely accused players shielded him from civil liability for the latter remarks. Cornell knew this record of contempt for the students he taught when it not only awarded Farred a tenured position, but promoted him to full professor, with a median salary of $154,300.

  125. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    Rush rules! By listening while we post – we have an immense advantage over the rest of these postal workers. Last hour he told us how one of Bretibart’s Bright Boys went to vote and said he was Eric Holder. The Polling Person said no problema!

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  126. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    They’re learning that you can’t be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first.
    ==============
    I doubt the public schools are teaching the positive aspects of anarchism. But from wherever they are learning it, I’m glad anarchism is not being presented in a negative light.
    Too many people confuse anarchism (a voluntary, nonviolent system of mutual aid) with anarchy (an involuntary state of disorder often imposed by violence).

  127. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    LOL – good point

  128. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Agronomy? Tripp might disagree.
    Nursing? The US imports nurses from Philippines.
    Theres a Filipino Nurses association here.
    The RNs are being pushed out by the LVNs.
    Nurses insist the FOBs [freshoffadaboat] have ruined the profession. ‘Filipino nurses that cant even insert a feeding tube’ is what one nurse said.

  129. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Did you catch John Derbyshire’s article about “The Talk”
    =============
    I just read it on your advice. I’m not surprised he got canned given the state of political correctness in this country. For God’s sake, all poor Jimmie the Greek said was “look at that monkey run” and that was the end of his career.

  130. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    You have made an excellent point. The long emergency will employ quite different skills than what people commonly worship and go ga-ga about now.
    Even if things were not to change which is impossible. The engineering, math and science fields have always gone through extreme boom and bust cycles. Engineering is far from being as stable a career as what is commonly believed. Some graduates get lucky and find stable positions. Others will go through layoff cycle after layoff cycle without end. Companies cut back R&D at the first sign of a bubble burst.

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  131. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    If you all go to ‘The Obama Files’ and check
    the Fort Hood articles, well well well.
    Theres a soldier consoling the bereaved with a caption:
    DONT CRY MA’AM, HE DIED FOR DIVERSITY.
    Great pic at Taki [sites online again]
    ‘SHARIA FOR UK’.

  132. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Unfortunately, the for profit educational dynamic has infiltrated middle and even grade school curriculums. For example, a middle school administrator organizes a field trip to a far away locale such as Washington D.C. or Costa Rica. It is sold as an educational experience; a moment never to be forgotten . And it costs.a lot. In fact, it costs more than the actual expenses of the trip, because, you know, school districts are hurting blah, blah, blah.
    But the real cost of these for profit excursions posing as educational adventures is the stratification of a very young and impressionable student body. In other words, a divide of public school “ haves and have-nots”. Imagine the embers of emotional incineration left to burn in the psyche of tender public school age kids not wealthy enough to afford the expensive out-of-town trip embarked upon by their better off classmates.
    The American educational system as a whole is a for-profit tragedy with too many causes for fingers to point at.

  133. welles April 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything….
    …you can show people how to legally chop their taxes 50-80% and they won’t do it.
    “I’m scared I’ll get caught. I just want my big refund every year”.
    Good luck going up against that brick wall. Although the power is in the money. On the surface at least. If everyone stopped paying they’d simply print it anyway.
    which is why most taxes are **solely** a form of control.
    If the national debt is $15 trillion, and they gave the banks $10 trillion, where they fuck did the $10 trillion come from?
    answer – just invented on someone-in-power’s keyboard.
    …and if they can give them $10 trillion just like that, why the fuck do they need to collect $1.6 trillion annually in income taxes? so only a piddling 16% of what they just ***handed*** to the banks?
    stop thinking they care for you, you are Soylent Green.
    peace peaceniks
    ps planted two trees today, they are comfortably fighting climate change and providing shade while we sit and sip cold beer beside them.

  134. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    A funny story about American educational system. In the fifth grade most students in my state go on a bus trip to Washington D.C. After looking over the intinerary, one woman confronted a fifth grade teacher who was helping to organize the trip. She said, “You all plan on visiting the National Mall? I’m not paying for any trip just so that you all can do some shopping!”

  135. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    The American Millenials, Xers, Boomers, et al. are all too disoriented, effete, lacking in character, lacking in knowledge of history, lacking in understanding, and in general have too small of a responsibility level to take any effective action as regards where this country is going. There will be no revolution at the dem or repub conventions.
    The masses will continue to allow themselves to be processed through the cattle chutes into the slaughter houses.
    The totalitarian forces are in control and growing.
    A crisis is needed and will occur in time.
    When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn’t work. It was terribly perverted from its original form.
    A small group of intelligent and responsible individuals (as is always the case) will pick up the pieces and build a new system that brings us to a higher evolution.
    Ron Paul is using this presidential campaign to educate our youth not to win the presidency. He has vision.
    We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn’t move in when the system collapses.

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  136. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    The kids are dimmer than any generation before them, but look who raised them. Youngsters are running up massive bills not just on tuition from for-profit diploma mills that make human resources people laugh when they see them on resumes, but they are borrowing money to live on.
    You may have noticed that almost all the private universities are building hyper-luxurious residence halls for their undergrads. Gone are the days when students bunked two or even four to a small room furnished with beds, small desks, and the student’s hot plates, microwaves, computers, and plastic cubes holding belongings. That’s not good enough for today’s pampered pups. They must have a private room in a luxury high rise residence hall with a completely equipped kitchen and laundry facilities on each floor, spa facilities, and every entertainment technology available. This wouldn’t be possible if students were paying as they went. They are rolling up daily living expenses, including expenditures for a new i-phone or i-pad every 9 months and of course an auto, into their college loans.
    Nobody ever taught these kids about compounding interest or what kind of job you can get with what kind of degree and that you will never get back the $90K you borrowed for that degree in Romance Literature or Women’s Studies or Comparative Religion.
    I will conclude by issuing a strong warning to anyone considering defaulting on student debt:

  137. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    “We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn’t move in when the system collapses” IM
    And just how do you plan on keeping Mr. Krantz in his mother’s basement?

  138. Widespreadpanic7 April 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    That reminds me, Does anybody know where I can get some soccer shirts??
    –WSP7

  139. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    But, but, if I borrow $100k today, in twenty years $100k will be what $5k is now, if inflation creeps back up. That may make college tuition a relative bargain :O)

  140. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    Accidentally hit enter, sorry.
    Anyway.
    DO NOT, NOT, NOT DEFAULT ON YOUR COLLEGE DEBT UNTIL WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS!!!
    Why? Because you do not have the same rights that any other type of debtor has and creditors are allowed to do things to you that they haven’t been able to do to any other type of borrower since 1964. They can call your employer and your relatives. They can garnish your paycheck for almost any amount of money and they will too. They can charge a “collection fee” of 25% of the loan balance every single time you are even late with a payment- that’s how a balance that starts at, say, $9000, can balloon to $75,000 in two years. Your fees are compounding at 25% if you miss repeated payments!!!! Your creditors can and will put as many negative entries on your credit report as they please. Your interest will be raised every month- there is nothing keeping the issuers from doing this. You will be rendered unemployable in the field you trained for.
    Please do whatever you have to do to maintain the payments while you fight for changes.
    Go to http://www.studentloanjustice.org to read about efforts to obtain justice for student borrowers, and please read the hundreds of harrowing stories from people who are trapped in endless nightmares of collections, garnishments, and harassment, all legal, from college lenders. Really, really read these stories before you borrow money, if you haven’t signed those loan docs yet.
    Good luck and keep fighting for changes in the laws.

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  141. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Look no further. You is arrived.

  142. Laura Louzader April 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    If you borrow $100K now, it will have ballooned to about $825,877 within 10 years after figuring in interest rate hikes, “collection” fees of 25% of the balance because you were 2 days late with a payment, or got sick, or got laid off, or something.
    Go to the site I referenced in my previous post. If those stories don’t scare the shit out of you, then education is wasted on you.

  143. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    And what’s to become of college sports atheletic teams when degrees in Women’s Studies and Comparitive Religion are no longer offered? You weren’t under the misguided impression that all those hunks working it on the court and football field were majoring in Physics or Nuclear Engineering, were you? C’mon, get real. This is America! We want our beer and Cheezdoodles! You okay wid dat?

  144. ASPO Article 1037 April 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    How many younger generation readers will bother to read Anthony Cordesman’s papers analysing ramification of Iranian – Israeli mix-up? Bad as pre-emption of Iranian nuclear sites seems, results of Israel waiting for Iran’s promised attack is orders of magnitude worse, for Israel and the world.
    Americans interested in maintaining a recognizable economy after Middle East Thunderdome should quietly work with regional leadership to enhance rail lines capacity & local reach. Included with the local rail re-connect, assure full complement of US Post Offices!
    At least, boys & girls, go to spv.co.uk and get a copy of the US Rail Map Atlas volumes, showing rail footprint past & present for your respective locale. Preacher Romney’s relationship with Bibi Nettanyahu may prove to be the pivotal business association of the decade. Whether for good or ill, remains to be seen…

  145. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

    And yet over here……nuthin’ but crickets.
    May as well be …uh, 10 Brazillion dolares.

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  147. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    Told ya

  148. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    And the magic word was…Soccer Shirts! Down comes the duck. Widespread collects the $200 bucks.

  149. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if “we the people” actually understood our power, reached a consensus, organized and took action despite all discomfort and inconvenience? Pure civil disobedience?
    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everyone just stopped paying their taxes until certain demands were answered by our government (namely removing all corrupt Congresspeople; stopping insider trading within Congress; cancelling their special pension and health plan and forcing them to use our; implementing term limits; abolishing lobbyists; implementing a program to dismantlet The Federal Reserve; instituting a commodity or gold based currency system; some Constitutional amendments; returning power and sovereignty to the states; dismantling the military-industrial-congressional-think tank complex; reduce the size of the Fed Govmt by about 75%; etc. etc.)
    Wouldn’t it be great if the people stopped using credit cards and taking out loans and reverted to cash transactions to break the grip of the financial elite? This wouldn’t take long before the whole debt as money system collapsed.
    Ahh… a nice dream.

  150. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Ok. You asked for it…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L–cqAI3IUI

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  151. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Everyone should learn to make their own juju juice. It’s Medicine!

  152. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    I wonder what would happen if somebody actually tried to buy one?

  153. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    People should have known that ol’ Nickie wasn’t a raciss. I mean real Monkeys can’t run, can they?
    Soon it will be respectable to be out of the closet. Get in on the ground floor Q. The Elevator to the Penthouse wont wait. Elvevators and Tides wait for no man – not even a King.

  154. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    Ahhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
    Maybe setting the meme loose here and now and watching it go viral might not be such a good idea.

  155. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    “The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for ‘trying.'”
    You can keep the “trying” award.
    I’ll take the future where you can stumble through high school and whatever series of menial jobs you procure is still enough to raise a family of four in a house of your own.

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  156. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    You signed on the dotted line. You agreed to the terms. You need to honour your word and pay the loan off in full. No excuses. No exit.
    If it didn’t work out for you. Too bad. You just paid for an expensive lesson.
    There are no victims.

  157. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    The website is a bit confusing, hit the victims tag and then pick a state.

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  159. Vlad Krandz April 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    We must dismantle the whole system starting with Grade School. Return to home or very small schools by people we know. Return to the McGuffey Readers – the last two volumes of which are beyond most “college graduates”. They used to be mastered in the 7th and 8th grades.
    Things like the internet’s free Khan’s Academy are also excellent once the basics are mastered.
    Other than that, no internet or TV should be allowed. We mustn’t let children become like we are – human wreckage. Humility is the cornerstone of all Virtue. And what is intelligence without virtue? It inevitably sells out to something. The intellect per se is a whore after all. Some sell out for money and others, ideology. Most need a religion. Only the few can find enough meaning in Philosophy itself to remain pure of heart.

  160. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    You are, like, freaking me out. Is there some failure to understand the concept of not having any collectible assets?

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  161. newworld April 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    Liberals from what I deduce from the last few inititives taken by your side, you’re screwed.
    OWS, Sandra Fluke, Trayvon Martin all have ended in disaster and scorn for your side. Soon you guys will be eating the seed corn, meaning that your monetary rackets are gonna go tits up, like the education over paid professors’ racket.
    As you fine folks go tits up do us alt-righters a fav and take movement conservatism with you.

  162. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    I’ll agree with you but demanding fees be kept within reason is also reasonable. Some disreputable financial institutions are taking advantage of the collection powers of the federal government. Quite obviously some of these ‘terms’ were not agreed to or disclosed and misinformation in order to increase fees has certainly been going on.
    Caveat Emptor

  163. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    Hmm. Alt-Right takes me to Desktop #2. Is this a coded transmission?

  164. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    Yahoo has downsized news….12,000$ house [they did the labor] 4 people live there:
    Families Discover Creative Ways to Save Big Money
    Monday, April 09,
    After losing their business to the recession, Carl and Hari decided to make a drastic move… out of their 3-bedroom home, and into what they call their “Tiny House” — a 168-sq. ft. home.
    Moving their family from a 1,500-sq. ft. home to such a small space was a major downsize, but one reaping big savings.
    Their space is small and insulated, resulting in an electric bill of around $40 a month.
    They have also been able to bank Hari’s entire salary each month. Their “Tiny House” is part of their bigger plan to build a mortgage-free home.
    That home will still be small, but Hari says it will be large enough to at least find space to be alone (and perhaps add a bathtub).

  165. Neon Vincent April 9, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard.

    Only in your fevered imagination, Impaler. In fact, I’ve written about when I considered buying a gun myself on my blog. Here’s what I posted on May 16, 2011.
    The last year I lived out in the country, the deer ate my shrubs up to the seven foot level. Good thing they were eight feet tall at the time. I vowed that if I were still in my house the next firearms deer season, I’d finally break down and buy a rifle and a deer hunting license. Fortunately for the deer, my house sold that April, so I didn’t have to follow through.
    Hey, I was a Republican for 22 years. Some habits die hard.

    As for what I was saying, instead of what the voices in your head told you, it was that the security people were banning things that the anarchists of the Occupy movement would use, which are merely annoyances, but let the really dangerous stuff that conservatives carry be permitted. I thought it was ironic and perverse, although if that’s the way they want to do business, they can go right ahead.

    You’re a Statist – exactly what the Founders warned us against.

    Sorry, Impaler, I went to the University of Michigan, not Michigan State. 😛

    Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.

    Interesting how you bring up the Hutaree right after you mention cornpone fascists. As for their being let free, nah, not a problem for me.
    Say, Impaler, why don’t you click on through to my blog (link in the very first comment I posted today) and comment there? After all, if I’m going to fight you, I may as well get some page views out of it.

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  166. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Widespread collects the $200 bucks.
    ===============
    ^This^ is akin to a double negative. You should write either:
    . Widespread collects the $200.
    or
    . Widespread collects the 200 bucks.

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  168. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Well, I certainly feel totally screwed. We were some of the stupid ones who paid for our kids’ college books, tuition, room/board, etc. They have no loan debt. This is after home-schooling them from 8th grade on, and still paying outrageous property and school income taxes. Two of our kids graduated Magna Cum Laude, although I never could tell they had actually learned anything other than how to tow the college line and spew out literate bullshit on command. I will delight in seeing the colleges fall and hope it’s really messy.

  169. welles April 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    we don’t need grammar ninnys here, plainspeak’s plainspeak ‘n understood.
    useless…must be a ‘teacher’
    peace peaceniks

  170. wardoc April 9, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    The image of all the pompous but worthless college professors with PhDs in worthlessness being paraded around wearing dunce caps is outrageously grand. So is the image of them trying to feed themselves by gardening. Perhaps they can be lined up all around the local neighborhood so when the gangs arrive to loot, rape and pillage, the former savants will be the front line. They can even use harsh language to fend off the gang members for a while, giving the rest time to arm themselves and get into defensive positions, while the gang members roll on the ground laughing. Yes, that might work !

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  171. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    Agree with you whole-heartedly. Of course, North Dakota is one of few remaining bastions of common sense left in the US. Our childrens’ majors were all “useful”, including the child who majored in Military History. He’s, unfortunately, in the military and finding out that he’s not a born politician, which you have to be to make it in anything connected with the government. We have one nurse, one veterinarian, two electrical engineers, one mechanical engineer and one geologist. Latter is rather iffy since most geologists are employed in energy-related fields which Obama is trying to crush. I was a history major, also, and sincerely understand the drive to learn more about it. However, it’s not a saleable major.

  172. JulettaofOhio April 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Obama’s already steamrollered them, so maybe they will vote for Romney since they think an unknown entity is better than the one who already screwed you. I’m going to skip voting this year, since I have no liking for any of them.

  173. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    I guess I got overly excited with bucks and ducks rhyming and all.

  174. Kyooshtik April 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    we don’t need grammar ninnys here
    ============
    You regularly fail to capitalize the first letter of your sentences.
    What is the sense of aiming for a lower quality communication rather than a higher one?

  175. Vlad Kramps April 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    If you haven’t looked at the link provided to us by Ms. Laura, it’s worth a looksie. I pulled it up expecting to see heart breaking stories from the Millineals, but instead read some “victim” accounts by folks who took out student loans in the…drum roll please…l980’s! One “victim” is still being hounded. The gubment is threatening to hold back her Social Security (she’s 65!) Evidently there is no statute of limitations on these loans. They keep adding on interest to principle so that a $3k loan becomes a $30k loan after a few years.
    Still, they can’t put all Millineals in jail, can they? I mean, if you can’t pay, ya can’t pay. Like trying to get blood from a turnip. And as we all know, these loans can’t be discharged through bankruptcy, so what do they want? Your first born? As my Vietnamee sister-in-law would say, “peas, give me blake!”

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  176. Rick April 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    I agree Jim. All I see lies, people with their head in the sand, denial, etc.
    Here are some things I see, that make it very apparent, things are getting worse, so the propaganda machine, comes out in force, to cover up the truth.
    First, the other day on NPR, Simon Johnson of Baseline Scenario, is claiming the the US has always been in debt, and the short of it, we should not worry. BS, and propaganda. What do you expect from an MIT person.
    NPR, has had a bunch of shows, discussing high gas prices. Their guest are a bunch of industry kiss asses, who don’t tell the truth, or they just hint at it. Also BS, and propaganda.
    I know plenty of young kids, who are still planning on going to college, and some who are getting out soon, and going to the military, how stupid are these people.
    In short, too many in the US, think the party is still going strong, because they are being lied to, though some have their heads in the sand. The party ended long before 2008, 2008 was the wake up call no one heard. The fools are too busy texting, or on Facebook.
    This is going end very badly for many.

  177. Mike Moskos April 9, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Jim hasn’t been following the news closely . . . There will be NO protests at the upcoming political conventions. Bush 3 (Obama) and CONgress have made it a FELONY to protest anywhere near someone who is under Secret Service protection. Here’s one link: http://www.soarclub.com/2012/03/felony-protest-in-front-of-government-official/
    The Feds have been passing all kinds of bills like this recently; me thinks they’re preparing for martial law once Uncle Ben finally destroys the currency.

  178. k-dog April 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    Yes you are right the party began ending for the average American long before 2008. For the corporations that run the world and quObama their chief cheerleader the band plays on.

    Furthermore the disparity between the rich and the poor in the United states in 1990 for example was increasing, and it is undoubtedly still doing so today. Between 1977 and 1989 the average after-tax incomes of American families on the bottom fifth of the income ladder fell some nine per cent, the next fifth fell 6.5 per cent, and the middle fifth about 4.5 per cent. Only the top fifth was spared. In fact the incomes of the highest reaches of the top fifth soared, with those of the top 1 per cent doubling. Between 1978 and 1995 the mean income of the richest five percent in the United States rose 24 times that of the poorest 20 per cent, a ratio unparalleled in the industrial world. The ratio between the salary of a CEO and that of a shop-floor worker went from 39:1 in the late 1970s to about 1000:1 today.

    Too Smart For Our Own Good – page 391

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  180. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

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  181. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Paying for a university education is equivalent to spending an exorbitant amount of money for an automobile that doesn’t have an engine, transmission or a steering wheel.
    First of all the educational system is government controlled. No more need be said. Secondly, the people that run and/or work within our government, financial sector, business sector, etc. are all the products of our educational system. Our country is failing = our educational system failed us.
    Academia as it exists is a joke. Pompous, effete and out of touch people. Most curriculums are worthless and are far removed from reality or applicability.
    The majority of students graduating from universities really don’t know how to study, how to research, how to communicate or how to make their way in the real world.
    Most any individual that was a great person, in that they contributed something to humanity, never went to a university or quickly dropped out and engaged themselves in the real world.
    Yes we need dentists, doctors, engineers and such but they can be trained quickly in a trade school. It doesn’t have to take spending a fortune or eating up so much time to get to a level of competence.
    I so look forward to the collapse of the government run education system. Goodbye Yale, Harvard, Stanford and all of you other scams.
    Home schooling, internet education, seminars, workshops, webinars, books and apprenticeships is the new future for education. Workable, practical and inexpensive and yielding results… people who understand the basics of life, track with reality and can make their way in the real world.

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  183. newworld April 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Yes sir “alt-right” basically stands for non-reactionary non-corporate right wing politics, and not necessarily “nazi” as the more reactionary and feckless people on the left imagine.
    Alt-right race realist without 19th century white supremacy intentions. Open to reading and debating what JHK has to say and often agreeing with him.

  184. bubbleheadMarc April 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Just read the essay for the week. I must disagree this time Jim. The vast majority lack the ability to blame their lack of success on anyone but themselves. They won’t be able to rebel until well after they’ve already fucked themselves by attempting to play the game for too long, even though it’s a rigged game and they don’t have a chance. Perhaps 20% are capable of dropping out and trying something outrageous. The rest are nothing but sheep.

  185. welles April 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    communication does not degrade simply because of non-capitalized or irregular spelling.
    it adds flavour to otherwise dull affairs.
    ask ee cummings
    we don’t need rehashing of tyred old rules, we need
    fresh mindmeat with which to go forward.
    has english grammer and spelling always been standardized? no.
    so don’t make it yet another untouchable national historical site dead in its past.
    peace peaceniks

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  186. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    [sarcasm on]
    Yeah, if we could just get rid of all those pointy-headed intellectuals, those Jews, those coloreds, those lesbo femi-nazis, those gangs, those unions, those communists, those pacifists, those anarchists, those atheists, etc., then this country would again be like it was in the 1950s segregated, Jim Crow-whites-in-control, women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.[sarcasm off]
    I lived through, or I should say survived the 1950s, and I never want the country to be like that again. We’re much better off with a Black president, who taught constitutional law, than with the era of the McCarthy hearings, witch hunts, and coat hanger abortions.

  187. welles April 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm #

    touche very well said, finally a thought worth seconding.
    grand canyon of disconnect between academia/college and real-world needs.
    per your point, one could be trained in 6 months-1 year to do many of the professions that requires years of drudgery and pointless expense.
    peace peaceniks

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  191. progress2conserve April 9, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    JHK, this week’s post deserves extra E’s!
    It’s entertaining!
    But the idea of the Millennial Generation rising up en masse, and making the Repub and Dem conventions vanish in a haze of smoke from burning loan documents – that’s pure fantasy.
    First problem is – what’s a Millennial?
    Wikipedia gives us this:
    “Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation (or Millennials or the ME generation),[1][2] Generation Next,[3] Net Generation,[4] Echo Boomers[5], or Hipster Generation is the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the Millennial generation starts and ends, and commentators have used birth dates ranging somewhere from the mid-1970s[6] to the late 1980s, early or mid 1990s, or as late as the early 2000s.[7] The most common range reflects births from 1980-1999 giving a child born in 1980 time to grow into adulthood and be able to reproduce their own offspring at the turn of the millennium. One segment of this age-group is often called the “eighties babies” generation, in reference to the fact that they were born between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 1989. [8][9][10] Members of this generation are called Echo Boomers, due to the significant increase in birth rates through the 1980s and into the 1990s, and because many of them are children of baby boomers….”
    -wiki-
    Whoa. Too much thought. That made my head hurt. Since I’m a middle Boomer, my hurting head makes me want to light a doobie and meditate.
    Too much thought for a Millennial kid makes him want to text his/her friends on a cell phone or hurry to Facebook. Then our typical Millennial will search for and successfully find a cup to pee in – in an effort to prove himself drug free and thus eligible for employment and for continuing license to life.
    My point for JHK and the CFN thread – Sorry, folks, a Revolution based on contact by Social Media, and from the most acquiescent generation in United States history – it’s just fantasy.
    Thanks to you for the week’s work, though, JHK!

  192. BeantownBill April 9, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Nope, I can’t agree with you on this. It is true that many curricula are just padding. We don’t need to study for 4 years to get a bachelor’s degree in many cases.
    However, some very valuable professions need at least the 4 years and maybe more. I wouldn’t let a dentist with 6 months to a year’s dental education touch my teeth. Would you want a doctor with a year’s medical education perform brain surgery on you, or heart surgery?
    Any field of study in math, science and engineering requires more than a year’s education.
    So while you make a point, I wouldn’t make it a blanket point. Why don’t you list those fields of study that CAN be learned in one year or less?

  193. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Vlad, Rush would have no chance against Battra, Mothra and her tiny priestesses, who speak for, and protect, the Earth.
    Even Godzilla failed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhoWfC1L9k

  194. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere…
    Isn’t that amazing? Talk about an American-style racket-and-swindle!

  195. welles April 9, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    that’s why i said ‘many’.
    many types of nurse, dental assistant, mechanic, plumber, programmer…these can all be learned in a year or less. obviously people’s skills ripen on the job too, not saying that you’re superduper right out of the box.
    obviously not civil engineer or surgeon, that is self evident.
    even four year curricula only actually study for 2.5-3 years if you deduct the vacation time between years.
    peace peaceniks

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  196. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    JHK says:
    The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.
    A very provocative suggestion. My understanding is that the leadership of the Occupy movement is beginning to think along similar lines…

  197. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    In the Long Emergency, the most important skills will be the ones best suited to scarcity industrialism.

  198. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    According to the Chinese translation of David Shambaugh’s book “China’s Communist Party: Atrophy and Adaptation”, over the past 20 years, China has embarked upon an extensive analysis of how and why the former Soviet Union and the Communist countries of Eastern Europe collapsed.
    The conclusions of many of the Chinese academics as to the causes of the collapse of the Soviet Union and other Communist countries quite accurately describe current conditions in the U.S.

  199. dug77 April 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    Dream on Jim. It’s a bit dichotomous isn’t it to in one post point out the millennials as being tattooed, ear ringed and seemingly disconnected from the obvious, and then expect them to somehow coalesce into a cohesive group focused on their lack of a future against the most incredible odds in history? I don’t think so, but it was a nice thought.
    History can make a good case that peonage has been the American way since her inception – and that it’s going to continue to it’s logical end A slow decline that is almost imperceptible to the majority (as it is now), then fade to black. When it gets bad enough, insurrection may be much more personal rather than organized and directed upward. Of course that end might take a while.
    There is no mystery to where America, or any other country that has sold its soul likewise, is headed. It’s all happened before in different dress, and it doesn’t take much more than an honest look around and common sense to figure the outcome.
    Remember that 2008 is already forgotten – and nothing changed.

  200. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    The cover story of recent issue of Time Magazine is entitled “The Truth About Oil”.
    The article’s only source of information is the spokesman for the oil industry lobby.
    You can’t make this shit up…..

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  201. dug77 April 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    Americans aren’t makers, they’re takers.

  202. ozone April 9, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Shhh! Don’t give the Lords of Idiocracy any survival tips! We need them to keep getting the very worst advice that can be had, and it appears they’re loading right up on it. If they’re doing their best to destroy themselves, please don’t interfere. ;o)

  203. Tark April 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    I’m not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago. I did it because it was too much of a burden to pay for something that really didn’t cover most of my college costs anyway. I never had enough for pesky and expensive things called books.

  204. Pucker April 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    “I’m not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago.”
    I think that George W. Bush, Jr. made student loans non-dischargeable debt, which can’t be cleared by declaring bankruptcy?

  205. asoka. April 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    I know! I know!
    Philosophy and comparative religion.
    Only about 11,000 years of history and hundreds of classics to consider with thousands of nuanced arguments. Should take about six months. NOT.
    Unfortunately, on CFN most people do not consider philosophy and comparative religion to have “value,” because the kind of activity it engenders is not paid with pieces of green paper.
    Sad how fall we have fallen in our idolization of money and our conclusion that fields only have “value” if they result in good-paying jobs.

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  206. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Tark:
    Those reasons that you give for defaulting on your loan are called JUSTIFICATIONS. They aren’t valid reasons… they are just reasons that you’ve come up with to make yourself right for not being worthy of trust.
    What sort of a life would you have had up to this time if everyone that you dealt with and depended upon didn’t keep their word?
    Pay your loans! You agreed to do so and you signed your name. If it is impossible to pay your loans, then you need to find a way of making amends. How can you ever hope to be financially successful if you have broken agreements like this in your past and hanging around in the dark recesses of your consciousness waiting to foul you up.
    If the lender isn’t around any more, then earn the money you owed plus interest and give it to a deserving charity or something.
    Develop some character. Develop some pride man.

  207. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    asoka:
    It just so happens that we live in a society in which 9/10’s of life are ECONOMIC. It takes a lot of money to have a decent standard of living and raise a family. THAT is why education is aimed at giving one a marketable skill or profession.
    If you have a patron, parents who will support you all of your life, a trust fund, you’re a welfare recipient, or you live in a tree and survive on moss and mushrooms, well then I guess you’d be able to spend 8-10 years studying Comparative Religion or Philosophy and get your Phd.
    I pose a question… look where our world is today. Religion and philosophy hasn’t done a very good job, despite the fact they’ve had thousands of years to do so. Something is missing there.
    I’d rather know someone who can start a business and create jobs so that people can feed their families, or a chiropractor who can realign your bones, or someone who can fix my car. Anything but a Religionist or Philosopher.

  208. urp April 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    I know someone who worked at a maternity ward. One of the patients overheard one of the doctors discussing some of the clinical details of the birthing process. Later when the nurse asked her what she was going to name her baby the new mother replied, “Placenta Maria.” Duhhhhhhhhhhh…..

  209. skookumwawa April 9, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    This idea of student-loan debt refusal isn’t bad, but will be part of a much larger movement: debt-refusal, period. People (of all ages) waking up to the simple injustice of being saddled with high interest personal debt when B of A, Chase, and their ilk not only go scot-free, but get rich and richer at the expense of struggling ordinary folks. “Where’s MY bailout”, rises the cry. Nowhere in sight. Bank robbery is the robbery the banks do (through the interest-money system and “too big to fail”) to us.
    November 5, 2012: Debt Refusal Day.
    Of course debt-refusal is an ongoing act, and an *inevitable* one as millions of people find they simply do not have the income to fend off the sharks of the debt and collection industry. But symbolic one-day events can bring people to the realization that there is enormous power in the action of many together.
    The interest-money system is nearing its end, the only question is the specifics. Best and most hopeful treatment of this entire arena is Charles Eisenstein’s “Sacred Economics”: http://www.realitysandwich.com/homepage_sacred_economics

  210. Alannala April 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    ah what would monday be without the fire and brimstone of jhk’s effusive bombast!

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  211. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    Don’t you dare skip voting. You know OBama is a dangerous spend-thrift. A glass of fucking orange juice would make a better President. You get off your ass and go vote for the orange juice. And take about 20 voters with you.

  212. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Antioch Ohio went bankrupt and is giving away 200? full scholarships!
    Antioch LA [100K?] offers majors in Lib Studies and GLBT ‘studies’.
    transgendered studies..hawhawhaw

  213. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    I have to laugh at those who just say “Just stop paying your taxes”, like you can go down to accounting and tell them to stop withholding taxes. Sorry, but they can’t, they are legally obligated to with hold something, if you are receiving a paycheck, and send it on to the IRS.
    Now, if you are part of the ‘cash 7 carry’ economy, perhaps you are not paying taxes, but for those of you that work for a business or corporation, or some other entity, and get paid with a check (or autodeposit), you WILL have taxes withheld, and there really isn’t much you can do about it.
    No, not even claiming all your cats or dogs as dependents. You now have to show a social security number for each one. Kinda hard to get one for a pet, and also illegal. But good luck trying it….
    So, for those who say “Just quite paying taxes”, why don’t YOU kindly post just how YOU go about not paying taxes IF you aren’t part of the ‘cash & carry’ economy and instead get a paycheck each week….
    Go ahead, tell us how…
    Dee

  214. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    So banks and lenders are supposed to loan money without interest? In other words for free? That makes a lot of sense. You’re obviously not a Capitalist. What are you a Commie? Socialist? Fascist?
    Collection people are sharks for trying to collect the money that people promised to pay but didn’t?
    I love this idea of borrowers saying they are being “harrassed” when a lender tries to collect on an upaid debt (broken promise). It is the other way around to me… the LENDER is the one who is being harrassed.
    In real capitalism, if it weren’t for the savers who lend at interest we wouldn’t have had a country. No industrial revolution. No progress.
    Thinking like this can only come out of the academia-welfare-liberal mindset. Deadly stuff.

  215. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    The trifecta of Immigration, Illegals and Multiculturalism is more than enough.
    Add Financial ‘problems’ and…dont ask if but when.

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  216. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    The only way it could happen would be if EVERYONE agreed to not pay taxes. That would mean employers would tell their accting departments to stop the payroll deductions on salaries and stop reporting and stop being an agent for the IRS.
    That is the only way it could happen. Not much chance of that ever happening.

  217. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Not only in NE. Devry, Art Institute,U of Phoenix Etcetc.

  218. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Damn right they went broke. Enough people finally realized that sending their kids off for four years to play hippy wasn’t a good return on their investment.

  219. damie April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Getting even 5% of the school’s power needs is a tremendous advantage over no electricity. 5% means you might be able to refrigerate food and run some computers. Teaching students how to envision a goal, work towards that goal, understand the limitations of their plan are healthy traits.
    Solar panels are a potential source of power. Germany with its feed-in-tariff program is on target not just to meet its goal of 20% renewable by 2020 but to reach 30% by that year. That’s not techno-delusionalism.

  220. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Its too ‘white’ for Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC, Huff Post.

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  221. urp April 9, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    News break. 47% pay no income tax. Thats why things are all ready as fucked up as they are. 53% carry the deadbeats. And now you want everyone to stop paying? Yeah, that’ll work.

  222. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Colleges = the left.
    See my piece above on ‘gang of 88’ [at Duke].
    The rest of its online or I can email to you.

  223. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    I know that. The tax system is unworkable and needs to be cancelled. I only posit the idea of withholding the government’s revenue as a way to get the people’s demands met. Otherwise the government will continue forward with their destructive agenda unhampered until they make a complete and irreversible mess of things.
    Witholding income, penalties or fines of a monetary nature are usually the only way to get compliance.
    I didn’t say “let’s not pay taxes”. I just said wouldn’t it be wonderful if it could be done as a method to turn things around and rid ourselves of a corrupt federal government that has gone way beyond its limits and in turn be able to turn things around to a more reasonable system.

  224. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    Previously LEO and Hotel workers didnt get post High School education, now employers ask for it.
    That being said education is so dumbed down, see
    Vlads comment today on McGuffy Readers and how us with a BA couldnt do em.

  225. anti soak April 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    What about sales tax, gas tax, restaurant tax etcetc.
    How much $ do you want those making less than 40K a year to pay?

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  226. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn’t be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It’s become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.
    A great philosopher once stated something to the effect that “The resolution of the Humanities, the Sciences and our social ills all depends upon the resolution of the human mind”.
    This is the basic basic common denominator of all of our problems. If man could truly know and understand himself and his fellow man, if he truly understood his orientation in this world, if he understood how a mind can go wrong and how evil can emanate from it, and if the sources of this evil and dysfunction could be located and remedied… we’d all be in a better place.
    This is where we have failed. Since the beginning of written history we have continued to make the same mistakes over and over. Evil and self interest always tends to corrupt and destroy the beneficial creations that others give us.
    When we accomplish this understanding we will be in a new age of humanity, a new civilization.
    The race is between this positive accomplishment and our total destruction.
    It is the human mind and the human spirit. All the answers lie within us. We need them. That is the true work that needs to be done.
    There are pieces of truth in all religions and philosophies but we need to rid ourselves of all the false data and ignorance that hides the truth from us and get access to the real truths of life and the mind so that we can move forward.
    THIS is our real challenge. Not trying to save the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  227. SHAKA12 April 9, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    Couple points of correction. Black folk don’t name their children differently from Anglos because of “seething” animosity from slavery. They do it because it sounds better to them, than Harry, Dick, and Tom. It’s just that simple. Second, if their motivation for naming their children those names was as you said, they wouldn’t need to look to slavery for seething animosity, or the pre-civil rights era either. I think they realized long ago naming your kids Shea, speaking like the majority, and all other acts of conformity won’t cause their acceptance by the majority. Actually, at this point in history being accepted by White America is not a goal or on their agenda. I use “their” because although I am African-American I couldn’t never speak for all, but please believe, regardless of that disclaimer, Black folks, Negroes, Colored people, African in America, or whatever they want to be called are not setting their agenda based on Asians wanting to be white, or anybody else. Lastly, as bad as things may seem it’s not that bad for us. Yes, the media shows the worst, and there is much room for improvement, but our resilience is daunting.

  228. Tark April 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    I don’t hold the things that are considered success and trustworthiness in high regard. So, in a sense, I don’t give a damn about pride or this country as it is. Most of it leaves me cold. I’ll find success some other way.
    I’m a near true dropout; I just need to change locales.

  229. DeeJones April 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    “News break. 47% pay no income tax. ”
    Care to break out how many of these are super upper income, ultra wealthy? And pay no taxes?
    I know plenty of the bottom of the income barrel that pay no taxes because they have NO INCOME.
    But if they do find a job, they do have taxes WITH HELD, and even tho they may get some or all of it back NEXT year as a refund, boy oh boy, they really could use it NOW.
    I even worked once for a multi-millionaire who bragged that he paid no taxes, and thought that anyone with a million-plus income that did was an idiot or fool, and should fire his accountant and get a new one that could figure out how not to pay any taxes.
    They want it all for themselves…
    Dee

  230. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    Hopefully one particular career field will continue to demand (or at least in some municipalities) four years of college with plenty of philosophy/ethics, history, multicultural studies, etc: Law Enforcement
    The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past.

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  231. edpell April 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    American’s are cowards young and old. The government will offer the young an offer they can not refuse. Join the military for 12 years and all student loan debt will be forgiven.

  232. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    Sorry to hear that you have disconnected from life. You’ve obviously had a lot of losses and disappointments in your life. As so many of us have had. Hope things turn around for you.

  233. Buck Stud April 9, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    As I recall, Socrates was at a bit of a loss to define virtue, or at least virtue as a whole and not some of its attributes.
    What is virtue?

  234. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    edpell, serving in the military is not the only way to get the government to write off your student loans.

  235. edpell April 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    I have no debt. My kids have no debt.
    What are the other ways to get the government to zero out ones student loan debt?

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  236. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Yeah. You can commit a heinous felony crime and go to prison for 20 years and get out of your student loans and all other obligations while you’re at it.
    Plus 3 hots and a cot. The good life.

  237. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    I was fortunate. I came from a wealthy family. My father paid cash for my college education. But after the first year, after I saw what a waste of time it all was, I couldn’t bear to see my father throw away his hard earned money on tuition so I dropped out of college never to return. I prefer the education that I got from living life.

  238. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    ozone, all I’m saying is that if Rush doesn’t change his tune pretty quick, he’ll soon be hearing this outside his studio window:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXLP9GSC8ok&feature=related
    🙂

  239. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    through non-military public service. 1/2 to 2/3rds of student loans can be forgiven this way. For doctors, dentists and nurses, if they work for the PHS, they can get all their loans forgiven.

  240. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings.
    No, no, no, asoka. Not in basic training. You learn that in Advanced Infantry Training.

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  241. xhalor April 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio. Poor fucker hasn’t been the same since.

  242. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn’t be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It’s become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.
    Dennis Meadows, the leader of the Limits-to-Growth research team, has finally, after 40 years, come to the same conclusion as you. He stunned the guests at the recent 40-year commemoration of the publication of the Limits-to-Growth when he said that sustainability is no longer possible, and that the sustainability crowd needs to quickly shift to focusing on something he calls “resilience” (basically teaching people how to emotionally cope and remain stoic in the face of catastrophe) to prevent a complete breakdown of the social, economic and political order.

  243. Inquiring Mind April 9, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    I agree. A hard rains a gonna fall. Will need to be in good shape physically, emotionally, mentally and spirtually to get through it. In bad times people turn to self improvement and spiritual matters… they get back to basics. This hopefully will get man more in touch with himself. Our society is only as strong as its individuals. Higher mental health and spiritual understanding will make for a better civilization. The next chapter in the book of man is coming.

  244. Kaiho Iwasaki April 9, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio.
    Now that’s exactly the kind of common sense thinking America needs more of! A nation is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and breathes as a team. This self-sufficiency stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Mother Earth News don’t know any more about real life than they know about writing!
    Self-sacrifice, xhalor. Self-sacrifice.
    🙂

  245. IxNoMor April 9, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

    “I’m afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the ‘psychology of previous investment’.”
    Clearer words were never spoken. I’m betting most of us in the *civilized [1st] world* are said-same victims. I fear they [0.1%] have nothing but a *carrot-on-a-stick* at one end, and a hot corkscrew poker at the other…
    Advantage is only gained if *TAKEN*… It’s *never* too late?!… Don’t f*’n call me an *OPTIMIST* – rather, *REALIST* will suffice! X-Files, indeed…

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  246. IxNoMor April 9, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    “EROEI”
    I find this acronym completely idiotic. Energy Return on Energy Investment/Input is absolutely, completely, no different than ROI (Return On Investment/Input). You seriously *LIE* to yourselves, if you believe *OTHERWISE*…
    Or, you never planned on taking *EXTERNAL COSTS* into consideration, whatsoever…
    However, the externals burn in the wind, runoff silt and sewage, and barely *REGISTER*. Yeah, that.

  247. SHAKA12 April 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    I want to share this comment from a facebook friend I shared my reply to KYOOSHTIK with.
    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery, if we did there would be no America because we would have “burned this mutha” down…..long ago. Most black people under 50 don’t even have a firm grasp of what slavery was.”
    I would say most black people under 50 don’t have any type of grasp of what slavery was. Don’t fret they are not in any type of revenge, seething, angry mode most of the time. When they are its about something happening now, not 140 years ago or even 50 years ago. If anything I think Black people don’t hardly notice you. You are more or less background or a backdrop to their lives, as we are to many people. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.

  248. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Shak,
    The long-winded comment I posted and that you replied to was an attempt to flesh-out a point about black names and their detrimental effect on “immiscibility” (the ability of blacks and whites to mix) made by a guy named Fred Reed. Below is a link to Fred’s blog which you may have missed when Vlad Krantz first provided a link to it on Apr 7th. If you find a need to make a “couple points of correction” to my post you should have a field day with Fred’s blog essay. I sincerely hope you will read it and give us your thoughts on it.
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Screwed.shtml

  249. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Virtue is the personal qualities that make for the good – or the path there to.
    In Art, the good is Beauty. Bad art produces ugliness.
    For a shoemaker, the good is to make good shoes, not ones that hurt the foot or fall apart in a couple of weeks.
    In daily life, the good is what leads to happiness and harmony.
    In personal life, virtue is what leads to good relationships, namely honesty, affection, and compassion. This is also true in one’s relationship with oneself. Obviously much self knowldege is needed in all this to make it possible – and real as opposed to sacharine.
    And virtue comes into the intellectual life. It means the search for truth – not convenient or proftitable falsehoods.
    Socrates is very clear about all of this – or perhaps Plato’s Socrates at least.

  250. JonathanSS April 10, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    Your right. There are dozens of flat taxes on us. Telecom, alcohol, cigs, airline, property, etc.
    The “the bottom half pay no taxes ” clan don’t take into account payroll taxes to fund SS which is not regressive. It’s a small percentage for people making $250K+.
    Many in the lower half of wage earners pay tax rates close to 15%, which is the percentage Mitt claims.

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  251. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    “It’s nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing’s wrong?”
    If “who’s right” is your only purpose – none. When the time is right, you hope they have a memory, and know where to look.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8PBc&feature=related

  252. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 12:24 am #

    Here is a perfect example of why their won’t be a physical revolution in this country, let alone a student loan burning event at the conventions.
    Amazing when you look at the stats in this article, yet the Obama administration, Congress, The Fed and their lackey mainstream press can make the public think that they are being effective and a recovery is in motion. That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/51-months-after-start-recession-here-report-card

  253. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:26 am #

    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery”
    Tell me that, after perusing the following!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3MUp3yFbhU

  254. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    “Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery”
    Well it would be pretty stupid to be sitting there with animosity since everyone and anyone responsible for the slavery in America is long dead and gone. There isn’t anyone to blame or target now. The past is the past, and it is GONE. As if this has anything to do with Caucasians living in America today.
    Slavery was a detestable, horrible and egregious example of man’s inhumanity to man. One of many instances throughout man’s history.
    Personally, if I were an African-American I’d be happy about the slavery episode. Of course not for the suffering and insanity that was brought to bear on my ancestors, but because as a result I was now here in America instead of being born in some grass hut in some diseased village in the Congo, without any hope for a decent life.
    Any AA who wants reparations and wants to blame the citizenry of this country for slavery can get on a boat and go back to Africa.

  255. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    “When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn’t work.”
    HT calls them “drones”;
    http://www.hypertiger.blogspot.com

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  256. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    ‘The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past’
    Read Tom Sowell and his info on Police Tests [1940 and 1990].
    Seems in Oakland and Detroit the cities are too poor to send Police out, except when its Murder or felony. As long as US $ is honored ‘we’ can have police/fire/trash pickup.
    I posted today about Dukes ‘gang of 88’.
    If you think College teaches how to think clearly and be non biased guess again Bucky Boy!
    See. Tom Sowell. Visions of the Annointed.Index/ police.
    He also says many DC Cops are illiterate.

  257. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 12:43 am #

    “That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind.”
    They used to say anyone that voted for Bush, twice, are the dumbest people on earth. After November they won’t be able to say that anymore.

  258. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Taxing food eaten out, clothing [I payed 4$ tax today on some [chinese?] sneakers].
    I dont own a car but a friend says his payments are
    5K a year + all the licenses and tickets. He paid like 2K on old tickets and 1k to impound when the car was towed.

  259. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    Amen, bruthah! 40% independents, 30% repTARDS, 30% demTARDS.
    They *WILL NEVER LEARN*.

  260. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    MY BAD!
    I meant 90% independents, 5% repTARDS, 5% demTARDS.
    C wut I did there?

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  261. IxNoMor April 10, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    “How convenient.”
    And those robo-calling *FUCK TARDS* still call my place, for the past 22 years, for a Sears debt of ~$900, in the name of the prior *RENTER* (not *OWNER*, who showed up on Google/White Pages as living in Beaverton [not Hillsboro] for the past 15+ years)…
    How do I know – because they bombarded me with phone calls and snail-mail *SPAM*, and I accidently opened one by mistake (I did have a Sears charge card, in ’91/2/3/4)… When I actually answered their phone calls, and told them *SHE MOVED OUT 20 YEARS AGO*, they simply swapped collection agencies…
    Gettin’ *STALE*.

  262. Laura Louzader April 10, 2012 at 2:12 am #

    If you read the individual stories, you will notice a recurring theme, which is that these loans have terms and conditions that make them virtually impossible to repay with whatever salary you’re likely to earn in your field, even something “practical” like nursing or engineering or accounting.
    Most of these loans would never have been written were it not for government guarantees and laws mandating virtual debtor’s prison for borrowers, which freed the banks to toss normal underwriting standards and make loans that they know will become unrepayable because of interest rate changes (they are always adjusted up, never down), collection and late fees, and the compounding thereof. A period of unemployment and/or illness guarantees that the loan balance will swell into six figures.
    I don’t favor a general amnesty because we would be creating yet another moral hazard thereby. Those who can pay the loans clearly got at least part of their money’s worth for their education and should repay, but there should be relief, on the same terms offered other debtors owing other types of debt, which is usually bankruptcy or receivership. We could stipulate that someone bankrupting out of college debt lose his degree, which would be no loss since it isn’t doing him any good in any case.
    When we make college debt equal to other debt, we should shut down government-backed college loan programs, or at least cap the total lifetime borrowing to a very low figure, say $10,000.
    Bankruptcy is the Free Market corrective to careless, predatory lending. Once we permit it, it will become obvious that our student loan programs are colossal failures and have only caused massive tuition inflation and enabled for-profit diploma mills to defraud hundreds of thousands of people. When this happens, the money available for college loans will mostly disappear. Lenders don’t take risks they think they might have to eat.
    And when we shutter Sallie Mae, we need to fold up Fannie and Freddie, which entities mostly functioned to drive house inflation while lining the pockets of lenders and loan servicers.
    People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.

  263. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    Didya see my post from earlier today? Filipino callers.
    What ya do is ya TELL THEM to put it in writing and never call. Make a list of times they call. Ask for names. send em registered mail demanding to be left alone.
    I had VM thru American voice mail. For 5? years Mr Schwartz from a NY DEpt store [ I forget which]
    left messages for ‘Suzy Duff’, who owed them money.
    Maybe more than 5 years. Didnt bother to leave a phone number or snail mail address.

  264. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    Anything the government does is bad news. Once the people realize that this government is the cause of most all of their problems, and is their main enemy, the better chance we have of eventually creating a new system.
    I still say, no one twisted student’s arms to take these loans. Everyone is responsible for what they do. The only reform that makes sense to me is to cancel predatory or unnaturally high fees and penalties connected to the loans.
    You are right about moral hazard. If someone takes out a loan on their own volition, they must pay it back. There is alos no excuse if they didn’t read the fine print.

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  268. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 3:10 am #

    Not idiotic though is EROEI sure sounds like a disease.
    It is actually only a first approximation at a model that attempts to measure energy quality.
    In capitalism costs do not include social or ecological costs of production and consequently are not a true measure of total cost. A similar consideration applies to EROEI but the situation is not as meaningless as a money abstraction because the ratio unlike money is actually based on physical measurable quantities.
    Like money simply focusing on EROEI however misses the boat. Private enterprise always shifts costs to the shoulders of others where it can and is unconcerned with spoliation unless consequences directly impact the enterprise.
    Between two sources of energy having similar but unequal EROEI values the one with the higher ratio might actually produce more pollution than the source with the lower EROEI. It might thus actually be an inferior choice. However the rules of capitalism force that it be the chosen source of energy because it is the one that would provide the most profit.
    You of course already know this as you mention runoff, silt, and sewage. Externals that are ignored and burn in the wind. Externals that don’t make the five o’clock news.

  269. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 3:11 am #

    Should be:
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  270. old69 April 10, 2012 at 4:05 am #

    Class Warfare ?
    From:
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    [quote]
    “What are the main weapons being used, and which of them are most dangerous and effective?”
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    Ideology, theories, brainwashing, the “Economists” with all of their imaginary “Objective Reality Description of how the “Economy” works and should work”, etc.
    The war is 100 % won by the dominating Economic Forces, the Capitalists, the Rich, the Haves have won this war over and over again for decades now, starting from the end of the 1960s on, it has been a complete and total brainwashing of everyone of how great and good and bold and successful all of the Entrepreneurs, Capitalists, Risk loving Bosses, company owners, the “employers” (not the employees who are always turds and lazy slobs that want too much , etc.) are.
    And everyone is brainwashed by all of this BS, especially in the good old USA, the Hard Working Myth, the You Have to Deserve it Myth, the worshiping of Inequality in all of its forms, the Love of seeing how rich the rich get as compared to the poor, the desire to punish and crush the losers, the poor, the “Lazy Slobs and Bastards”, this subtle and deep and constant drone of ideology by all of Society (and worldwide, in all countries), that has been going on for decades. This love of inequality, it is a way to let it all hang out, let out all the desire to beat up the other, to hate on people just because, for fun, but always justified: “I Am Better Than You”, “I Worked Hard for My Money”, “I Am Good”, and “God Protects Me” against the poor lazy slobs that must be hated upon and beat up and such.
    There is only one truth: the Technological Economy doesn’t even need any work at all, it barely needs any labor to function, it is mostly an automatic system based on huge economy of scales, technology, huge consumption and production of Energy, the Automatic for the People and such. So the entire edifice of the Right Wing ideology is no longer even applicable, this economy needs more work like a hole in the head, actually this economy has nothing to do with work at all, it is all about automatic, power relationships, political and status powers, inequality from the outset, not based on any imaginary meritocracy, etc. It is rich enough to give all the basics all people need everywhere and to everyone many times over, it is actually [b]Too Rich[/b], hence the Bubbles, and trillions of dollars in banks worldwide playing games over people’s lives, and firing people (it is so easy to fire workers when work is no longer even relevant in any possible way anymore in an Automatic, Technological Economy, let alone all of the BS about “Creating Jobs”, what an idiotic idea ! the whole purpose of jobs is to create wealth for a few and to express inequality, the whole purpose of jobs is to actually eliminate the need of jobs through the application of “Services” and the “Information Economy” and other such BS, etc., the whole purpose of jobs is to eliminate the future needs of any jobs on behalf of the Rich and Powers that be, by automating and solving all work needs and labor needs once and for all, giving the Powers that be ever more power to use people in any way, since work is just an excuse to show off power, is just a game, an optional game as in all of the layoffs every now and then, to show how little companies really need the labor of millions, etc.).
    The solution would be to cut the head off of the body of inequality structurally, from the outset, and once and for all: a Free Salary for all, about 800 dollars a month, very cheap rents for all, about 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house, and huge new bold projects like spaceships to mars, thousands (I shall refrain from saying Trillions to not “Let It All Hang Out”) of high speed trains across the USA, thousands of skyscrapers all across the USA and such: global projects for the common good, large scale projects where humanity progresses collectively, where this myth of inequality and “Being Better than You” and such is overthrown once and for all.
    BUT SINCE MAN IS A PRIMITIVE APE, HE POSSESSES A STONE AGE APE MAN – MAN BRAIN, THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THIS INEQUALITY AND THE RICH AND POOR DICHOTOMY IS TO KILL HUMAN NATURE ONCE AND FOR ALL BY RADICALLY AND WILDLY AND DEFINITELY CHANGING HOW HIS MAN BRAIN WORKS AND IS DESIGNED, BY DISCONNECTING HIS WILL POWER GADGETS AND HIS INSTINCTS TO FIGHT AND BE BETTER, TO HOSE ALL THOSE OLD FASHIONED APE MAN AND STONE AGE INSTINCTS OF FIGHTING, AND BEATING UP, AND WANTING TO WIN, AND WANTING TO BE “BETTER THAN YOU”, AND WANTING TO USE OTHERS AS A TOOL, AND WANTING TO EXPRESS THE FREEDOM OF THE WILL POWER ALWAYS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WILL POWERS, THE FIGHTS, THE CONFLICTS, THE CONTRASTS, ETC.

    Only by changing the design of the Brain can the class warfare be finally won by the poor, once and for all, and for all time and for everyone forever. AMEN.
    THE APE MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

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  271. old69 April 10, 2012 at 4:15 am #

    From:
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    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it
    There is only one truth: the Technological Economy doesn’t even need any work at all, it barely needs any labor to function, it is mostly an automatic system based on huge economy of scales, technology, huge consumption and production of Energy, the Automatic for the People and such. So the entire edifice of the Right Wing ideology is no longer even applicable, this economy needs more work like a hole in the head, actually this economy has nothing to do with work at all, it is all about automatic, power relationships, political and status powers, inequality from the outset, not based on any imaginary meritocracy, etc. It is rich enough to give all the basics all people need everywhere and to everyone many times over, it is actually Too Rich, hence the Bubbles, and trillions of dollars in banks worldwide playing games over people’s lives, and firing people (it is so easy to fire workers when work is no longer even relevant in any possible way anymore in an Automatic, Technological Economy, let alone all of the BS about “Creating Jobs”, what an idiotic idea ! the whole purpose of jobs is to create wealth for a few and to express inequality, the whole purpose of jobs is to actually eliminate the need of jobs through the application of “Services” and the “Information Economy” and other such BS, etc., the whole purpose of jobs is to eliminate the future needs of any jobs on behalf of the Rich and Powers that be, by automating and solving all work needs and labor needs once and for all, giving the Powers that be ever more power to use people in any way, since work is just an excuse to show off power, is just a game, an optional game as in all of the layoffs every now and then, to show how little companies really need the labor of millions, etc.).

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  273. bogbeagle April 10, 2012 at 5:48 am #

    That particular meme, in conjunction with the OWS movement, has great potential.

  274. michael_in_adelaide April 10, 2012 at 6:19 am #

    “think tank Yodas” !! Thanks James – often you mint beautiful phrases. I was LOLing for quite a while about that one!

  275. SHAKA12 April 10, 2012 at 6:19 am #

    Yes I will get to it after work this evening. I apologize for not letting it be known that I realized that your comments were based off previous posts. I just didn’t have time to go back. I will known, but I probably won’t have much more to say on this subject. I actually read this blog every Monday because the racial issues we have pale next to abyss we are rushing toward even as those who reached the edge and turned back are warning us to stop, we continue towards some type of pitiful, sorry-ass suffering existence. I didn’t say death because I think it will amount to a lowered standard of living that future generations will think is normal, and it will be. But for us who remember it seems unbearable, not that we can’t tough it out, but we know we shouldn’t have to. I stepped in your discussion because I thought it was too off-base to continue. Oh and we are not like oil and water, if so the detergent for us is time. On the other hand does it really matter. Okay time to go to work.

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  276. bubbleheadMarc April 10, 2012 at 6:49 am #

    There are many fine comments on this topic posted so far and I feel no burning need to get my two cents in for the most part. My main reaction at this juncture is this: just like with adjustable rate subprime mortgages people need to be responsibe for their own shit and to realize when something is a bad deal. And taking out massive loans to attend an open admissions no name school to major in something which must inevitably prove to be unmarketable is a fool’s errand. Doing the same on one’s parent’s gravy train might be okay from a financial perspective but would tend also to be a waste of time to a very great extent. There is also the hazard that marketable majors may prove to be unpalatable in the long run provoking one to drop out of that field to try something more romantic such as running off to sea to do some commercial fishing before we utterly lay waste the oceans. Such adventures could also lead to an early demise. Who the fuck knows? All I can say is that if you’re determined to be a history major like Julietta and you don’t find yourself at Princeton then you may pay hell trying to get into the state department as a foreign service officer and hence, end up defaulting on your ill advised loans. As Paul Fussell said in one of his snobism books, if you’re not “Ivy” then in a sense you’re not a real college graduate and you may be putting your third rate journalism degree to use by enlisting in the army to write for the Stars and Stripes while perhaps getting blown up by an IED in some third world shit-hole but then at least you’ll have your disability pension and end up wishing you’d taken ROTC so at least you’d be a pensioned off lieutenant instead of corporal.
    To me at least it’s been obvious ever since the Nixon Administration, during which I began college. that the middle class was fucked and that no one in industry cared about working people anymore, if they ever did, which they probably didn’t. It was for such reasons that I instinctively avoided responsibilities which I sensed I wouldn’t be able to pay for, such as getting a wife & kids, which of course no one really needs in the first place. Instead I did my time in the navy so at least I’d be able to use the VA when there were no jobs forthcoming for me. Although I learned a trade in the navy that trade ultimately proved worse than just unpalatable as being a merchant seaman is nothing but wage slavery while rooming with neanderthals. White collar work sucks because it depends on being liked by your superiors. People who are not gifted ass-kissers should avoid the so called professional world. And let’s not have any of this nonsense arguing that school teaching is a profession. Try reading “The Cliff Walk” about a discarded college teacher learning the carpentry trade. Can’t recall the authors name but an excellent read. He correctly sensed that professional employment is all about being liked and therefore is not reliable income. Reliable income is learning auto mechanics then opening your own junk yard in a crappy neighborhood! Lose the romantic delusions.

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    case in point: my son’s 12-year old friend who immigrated to the US from Bulgaria was promptly placed in 12th grade math class.
    my son reported that the kid has what looked like 30-year old textbooks all lovingly taped up at home, which he studied voraciously at his parents’ insistence.
    guess the US system just needs more FUNDING tho’.
    US=LOW-RENT LOSER COUNTRY
    (and i used to love the place)
    [caveat: there are a few good folks left, to be sure]
    peace peaceniks

  285. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 9:38 am #

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    That’s freakin’ hilarious, Xhalor!
    And, that was a nice little jab at asoka, too, Kaiho. He’s such an expert on so many things that he knows nothing about, including basic training in the military.
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    =================================
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    That’s a beautiful sentiment, KI.
    It is also very Japanese, I think.
    The United States is nothing like a team.
    Given enough time, stable population numbers, and unlimited fossil fuels – we might have eventually become a team.
    But the likelihood of that happening now, in a world of energy descent – approaches zero.

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  286. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    I don’t think the ‘Millennials’ are a coherent group, and I even discount most of the generational theory going around these days. I think that now, just as in the past, the vast majority of people will follow certain trends but there will always be minorities and pockets here and there of specially trained, wise, independent, or discerning individuals who buck the trend or are simply not concerned with the ironic complexities of the day.
    Don’t expect a revolution or a positive social change in this country, its true that most Millennials are simply head in the sand and overwhelmed at this. There is an undercurrent of super-educated or discerning anonymous-type young people, however, but they will probably remain anonymous because, to be honest, who the hell wants to take responsibility for helming the Titanic?

  287. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 9:53 am #

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  288. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    You’re right, the young simply want out. Nobody cares. Those who are educated and intelligent can’t but try and make some preparations for the collapse. Why bother to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic?
    However I do argue for awareness and a strong self-education on all the important issues rather than sheer obliviousness. Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied, eh?

  289. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    “If anything I think Black people don’t hardly notice you. You are more or less background or a backdrop to their lives, as we are to many people. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.”
    -shaka’s friend, in response to K/Q-
    Very interesting ideas, Shaka. I would encourage both you and your friend to do some posting on CFN to elaborate.
    Right at this point, I’d say that what your friend is asking for is no different from what Vlad is asking for – the right to live a separate life in an (exclusively?) black culture. Except Vlad wants an (exclusively?) white culture. Same idea, right?
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    Well, the huge and growing US economy of the 1960’s through 1990’s – made ALL of us think that minority groups (blacks, for example) could have a separate cultural identity – while still being relatively successful economically, and otherwise.
    The US economy is no longer growing.
    As we pass the inevitable peak of fossil fuels the shrinkage of the US economy will inevitably hit the poorest people the hardest. And if the poorest people are black, and reject education while they harden more and more into an insular racial and cultural identity – – –
    How does this all end?
    Where do we all live near each other?
    How do we all make a living?

  290. VyseLegend April 10, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Neo-feudalism writ large. I actually think there is good chance of this compared to all of the chaotic fantasies we see being bandied about. Consider the viewership #s of American Idol, and how little resistance there has been to Obama’s recent incursions into the Constitution. We are dead asleep and loving our slavery!

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  291. ozone April 10, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    They had plans for the future, eh?
    Awww, too bad fer them things didn’t quite pan out. There are those that visit this blog that have been born too late to help with the Victory and Purifying. Awww…
    I’d like to amend an old saw:
    “Those who live by fear, die by fear.”
    There are those of us who ain’t a’skeert, and there will be more and more as things decline. That’s always an impediment to authoritarian jerkwads.

  292. John Mayson April 10, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    This is one topic where I disagree with Jim. I don’t think the millenials are going to be the ones to rise up. They’re far too spoiled, pampered, and self-absorbed. I think things have to fall apart first and it’ll most likely be the young people born after 9/11 or perhaps later who stand their ground and start taking back their country from the banksters.
    And I have mixed feelings on the student loan issue. Yeah, it’s a huge racket that has monetized higher education. Colleges have no incentive to keep costs down because Wall Street crooks are dumping money into the system. I work in high-tech and I have friends with adult children in their 20’s. The few who studied engineering or computer science have jobs. High-paying jobs. We’re hiring some of them. Yeah, they’re in debt up to their eyeballs, but they’re paying down their loans and getting on with their lives. It’s the young folks who attended a $46,000/year liberal arts college and got out with a 2.4 GPA with a Bachelor’s in Humanist Studies who are living in their parents’ basement and are angry at the world for not delivering the lifestyle they were promised on a silver platter. I find it very difficult to feel sorry for them. These are young people I personally know. They skated through their overpriced college letting mommy and daddy pay for everything then are shocked, SHOCKED, there’s no market for their low grades, useless degree, and non-existant work ethic. This is why I don’t see them getting off their asses and doing anything about it.

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    Fast forward to 2012 and take a good, hard, sober look at Detroit and its citizens. It makes Haiti seem like a tropical paradise. Look at the old news reels from the 1950s and early 1960s. Blacks were marching for equal rights and dressed to the nines! Women in dresses and men in shirts, jackets, and ties. You won’t see that kind of demonstration today. And yet Asoka “survived” this awful era. The guy’s a living Siddhartha who bloviates about what our wonderful world, a world with no borders – uh, no, just the U.S. with no borders. The rest of the world is too smart to open its borders. Still, we all kneel before him, awaiting his next nugget of wisdom…yeah, right!

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  301. turkle April 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    Yeah, JHK, the Millenials gonna getcha.
    Right after this next round of Xbox.

  302. turkle April 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    “It makes Haiti seem like a tropical paradise.”
    I guess you haven’t been either place lately?

  303. apingos April 10, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Someone mentioned Detroit a few entries back. I’ve seen the pictures on google map. This is a brand new urban landscape. what an awsome opportunity to change this area into a sustainable community. I hope some bright college types are working on this project as I type. You could have miles and miles of greenhouses to feed the people who are still left in the area. While Jim and others here are good at visioning some doomesday outcome there are others who know we will get the change we deserve.
    Nobody forces college kids to take out loans. And 2 of my kids that did take out some loans made sure it wasn’t so much that they could never pay it back. My other 2 kids had no loans. My step-daughter who didn’t attend college is making the least of all the kids and has the fewest options for employment as a result.
    I do agree that for the majority the old “American Dream” is over and maybe it is for the best. that lifestyle is not sustainable and yes, adjustments are in order.
    The fact that college debt is treated diferntly is a political thing and can be reversed with a different political climate. Lets hope the winds of change keep blowing in favor of true democracy.
    I would not advise anyone to not pay your college debt. Try getting a house loan with a bad credit score. If you can get a mortgage at all it will be at a higher rate. Keep the faith folks, we are making progress ever so slowly.

  304. turkle April 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Hey, who you calling low rent! Rents are lower in Brazil, I assure you, sir. Have you looked at the monthly price of a Bay Area apartment lately?

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  306. Zed Leppt In April 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    This weekend I was listening to a radio interview with a college instructor who taught a science course to non-science majors. The students just selected his class from a list of required subjects to fill out their required course load. Each semester, he would look at all those bored faces and know just what they where thinking – counting down the minimum number of hours they would have sit there to pass and get their course credits. Hoping to spark some input, he asked one group why they acted so unmotivated in class. Among the various respones, the most honest was, “I’m here for a degree, not an education”.
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    That too seems to be the situation with many of our important government regulators these days. They are mere high status title holders to departmental posts and possess none of the expertise nor perform any of the rigorous work one would expect from someone occupying such a position. Then they panic and hide from the cameras if the media tries to question them on their failures.
    The Wall Street fraud mongers do nicely off this. God knows what exotic financial instuments are being created today from bundled, tranched, and derivitivized student debt. Like the victims of the MERS home mortgage fiasco, indebted college grads may soon be discovering that their student loans have been bundled, sold, rebundled, and resold until the legal ownership of their debt is hopelessly lost. After it all goes kablooey, Rombama or Obamney, will stoically offer calming reassurances that top minds are diligently probing this matter and drafting a new one thousand page bill that will clarify the rules and regulations for this industry.

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  308. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.
    ===============
    Laura, ^this^ nicely concludes your excellent post. I really get pissed just thinking about both the housing and school loan bubbles…pissed at both the lenders and, equally, the borrowers. A line from Shakespere pops into my head: “Never a borrower or a lender be.”

  309. Zed Leppt In April 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm #

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    Sounds like the title of a Burt Bacarach/Hal Daved musical. Have you ever tried playwriting Jim? Like those draft card burning prostests you referenced, the musical “Promises Promises” also debuted in 1968. How about teaming up with Andrew Lloyd Weber to rewrite this musical to appeal to cynical 21st century millenials? The play was based on the movie “The Apartment” in which a brown-nosing office worker loans his bachelor pad to philandering executives. You can rewrite the plot as an unemployed office worker letting his former bosses crash at his place after also being downsized, divorced, and kicked out of their mansions in the Hamptons.
    The press coverage will be great.
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  311. anti soak April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Dumbed down as it is, here in LA most who go to Public Highs dont graduate!
    The Laraza crowd doesnt value education I guess.
    Having read a few students essays at the local JC,
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  312. Widespreadpanic7 April 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

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    Class will be in session pretty soon, maybe this summer, when the lines begin forming up at your local filling station, tempers are frayed, and revolvers begin appearing out of glove compartments.
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  314. turkle April 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Someone who writes “dont” and “doesnt” does not have any basis for criticizing the educational level of anyone.

  315. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

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    ===============
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  316. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

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  317. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    I’m glad Kahio is here too, but let’s face it: he’s another Bill in an Asian body. He wants Multiculturalism for us and Nationalism for Japan. Yes, a hypocrite. Am I surprised? No, I’ve seen it before. I went to college and worked with people from other countries – and really listened to them. I’ve heard the same thing from Turks and Africans of various countries.
    I’d like more diversity here. I’d love the chance to expose and defeat Latinos, Muslims, South Asians, and East Asians as I have the Jews and White Liberals. Also on the postive side (I have a small one), it would be good to get other perspectives. For example, I’d love to know what Latinos think about the persecution of Mr Zimmerman.

  318. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

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    Only when we changed will we “know even as we are known”.
    Good intro to Dispensationalism and its implications: http://truthtellers.org/alerts/ASimpleExplanationScofieldDispensationalism_12_10apr.html

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  321. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Who stared the small caps mania? Why do people think it “cool”? Do they think that writing i instead of I shows a lack of egotism? I’ll take the humble pride of a Vlad Krandz over the proud humility of an ozone anyday.
    Old story: Diogenes came up to Plato who was early for a feast and sitting at a well set table. Grabbing the table cloth Diogenes set it all crashing down as he yelled, “This is what I think of your pride”. Plato replied, “And with greater pride”.
    Was it bell hooks – black, lesbian, buddhist, “poetess” who started it?

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  323. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    The fact that college debt is treated diferntly is a political thing and can be reversed with a different political climate.
    ============
    Has it ever occured to anyone that education and the financing of education (from K thru PHd) should NOT be an area of governmental concern or involvement…any more than government should be involved in people’s choices and payments for toilet paper? Seriously.

  324. welles April 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    how many tymes do i have to say READ the ENTIRE original post? if i’m not mistaken i said that the CONTENT of written/spoken word – not the tyred rehashing of grammatical/spelling rules – is more important than spelling etc. (btw your use of ‘lower case’ in your retort is ‘incorrect’ but fully understood).
    what, in my offending sentence, is incomprehensible in the SLIGHTEST?
    is the point not clear? of course it is. kryst, i even cite ee cummings, the patron saint of lower-case lettering.
    YES, if grammar is atrocious and makes comprehension difficult, THEN you can point fingers.
    stopp picking nits where there clearly ain’t none.
    no one’s writing in pidgin english or damn ebola out here.
    peace peaceniks

  325. turkle April 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    the kids and there poor educations these days. i dont know what the world is coming too!!!

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  326. welles April 10, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Metaphysics achieved to the upmost, a Box of matter expressing combinations we never could possibly imagine and such…
    if ‘we could never possibly imagine…’ how do you know it’s metaphysics to the ‘upmost’ or ‘utmost’?
    you simple go round in contradiction whilst babbling self-aggrandizingly. useless, as usual.
    peace peaceniks

  327. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Q, from previous writings, I gather that you don’t think the government should have a role in doing much of anything, except perhaps paving the road up to your house. Everything should apparently be left up to the magical and infallible “private sector”, which can do no wrong.
    That’s a nice fantasy world you inhabit. Say ‘hi’ to Ayn Rand for me.

  328. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    And let’s put that another way.
    How much of the US’s prosperity, such as it is, can be traced back to the establishment of public universities, as well as universal K-12 education?
    How do you think things would have turned out had education been left completely up to the Free Market?
    Of course, I don’t expect an honest assessment from someone with such a knee-jerk anti-government position, but it is an interesting thought experiment.

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  330. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    Would it hurt you to capitalize your sentences or are you attempting to make some kind of obtuse ‘point’ about something?
    What that might be, I have no idea. Perhaps you’re trying to tell us that your ‘shift’ key is broken?

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  331. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence.

  332. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence. Turkle to Welles
    ===========
    Odd that we are on the same page at least as regards capitalization.

  333. turkle April 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    It isn’t so odd. While I may not agree with your position on the proper role of government in society, I follow your lead on all matters grammatical.

  334. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

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  335. Poet April 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

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  336. apingos April 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    I agree with Kyoo to an extent. There are many ways the government should stay out of education. Especially with all the mandated curriculum it imposes. There probably is really no good reason to have a dept. of Education. But Iam so against making a profit on elementary and H.S. students. Corners are cut, teachers are less qualified, and standards (yes, standards, state and local imposed not the feds) go by the way. All in the name of returning a profit for the investor. We have too much big business in our schools as it is.

  337. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Uh, Vlad, in order to have a contest, one must join it. I’m not in a contest to see if I can win over you – I could care less. I just respond to you to contradict you, to contrast your silly racism with reason. I would never engage in a battle of wits with you because I don’t fight unarmed men.

  338. BeantownBill April 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    I’d like to think we don’t go to war against Iran; it would be a tragic mistake. But if we do, then you are spot-on in your analysis.

  339. San Jose Mom 51 April 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    On the topic of proper writing and speaking, I agree with you Vlad.
    San Jose Mom is having a bad day.
    1. Walmart is opening a store within .5 miles of my home. I argued with the city, but to no avail, they are just interested in revenue–not the quality of life around here. My arguments:
    A. The site was formerly a Home Expo site…opened back in the day when everyone had money to spend on granite countertops and luxurious appointments in the home. This big box store is serviced by a single two lane access road. Doesn’t the city appreciate that the traffic in and out of a remodeling business is different than Walmart?
    B. The Walmart receiving dock is just a few yards from a retirement community. They are going to hear a lot of truck noise and banging around in the early morning.
    C. More revenue? The economy is not growing around here. Walmart is going to suck the business from other stores in the area–Best Buy, Costco, Safeway. The city’s net income will drop because Walmart sells stuff cheaper.
    So city hall has let me down again. Across from Walmart, there is a huge patch of farm land. The city counsel recently approved a plan to put more big box stores on 45 acres. This goes against the city’s official master plan to cut down on big box developments. Not only that, this farm land (the last of its kind in San Jose) is right next to the Guadalupe River. Good bye riperian zone. Their compromise was that they’ll save a space in the parking lot for a farmers market.
    Deep sigh,
    Jen
    Hoping she doesn’t explode in anger some day.

  340. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    The teaching of “pitch location” must be another failure of higher education because you just tossed a watermelon right over the middle of the plate. But since I’m feeling kind today I’ll take a called third strike. That aside, I’ll still going to give you a baleful stare on my walk back to the dugout, and if that stare could speak it would say: “ Hey Deep Thinker, you missed the point once again!”

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  341. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

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  342. asoka. April 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

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    Basic Combat Training (BCT) consists of the first ten weeks of the total Basic Training period. This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier and learns combat techniques for killing other human beings.
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  343. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    I need to go back and reread Meno by Plato.
    At any rate, I’m afraid that the inherent beauty of Plato’s heaven fails under the scrutiny of human interpretation. In other words, one man’s beauty is another man’s need for the fig leaf. Yes that’s right Brother Vlad; the wretched human form revealed in full perverse nudity needs to be covered and now! Or better yet, take a hammer to Michelangelo’s David and break that Vatican piece of pornography into a million unrecognizable pieces – Hallelujah, and Praise The Lord !

  344. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    is the point not clear? of course it is.
    =============
    I’m sure Anti Soak thinks everything he writes is clear too.
    Yesterday, right after our exchange regarding capitalization I picked up the NY Times and started reading an article that caught my eye titled Behind the Steering Wheel, and Not a Grammarian in Sight.
    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/behind-the-steering-wheel-and-not-a-grammarian-in-sight/?scp=2&sq=behind%20the%20wheel&st=cse
    A Mr. Vincent goes out to move his car to another parking space because they have something in Brooklyn known as alternate-side parking rules. He spends a half hour riding around and around and finally finds a perfect spot right near his own street. But, he spots a street sign that says NO STANDING, APRIL TO OCTOBER
    He wondered exactly what that “to” meant. He thought about it and decided it meant no parking until October began. Since it was Oct 2nd he figured it was OK.
    Two days later his car is towed away and it cost him $225 to get it out plus a $115 ticket. He decides to appeal it in court and comes armed with several dictionaries which made clear that “to” means “up to but not including” and that “through” means “to and including.” He loses the case, appeals again and loses again without the Judge ever addressing the relevant dictionary definitions of “to” and “through.” He considers another appeal…this time to the State Supreme Court with a filing fee of $305. In the meantime, and to make the injustice all the more infuriating, a new sign was put up which read NO STANDING, APRIL 1 – SEPT 30.
    Yes Welles, there is a reason for all those nit-picking rules, definitions, spellings, and punctuation. You are an educated person. You are NOT, let’s say, Leon Spinks. There simply is no excuse for half-assed written communications whether I understand the point or not. (As we used to say in the Air Force: “Close enough for government work.”) It’s bad precedent. Are you REALLY too lazy to press your pinkie finger on the shift key? Are you too busy? Are you too cool?

  345. welles April 10, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    yes there is reason for lingo rules where it REALLY counts, such as when your car may be towed. ditto medicine and whatnot.
    I work as a translator, where punkchewation’s necessary, as is capitalization, and a comma can gravely change the meaning of a sentence.
    what, you gotta be all keyed up out on this site, can’t you just relax out here whilst making a point(s)?
    no more blather on grammar, enuf already.
    plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone’s “@-comments” on twaddle.
    what lows america has sunken to.
    peace peaceniks

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  346. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    This “capitalization war” going on between welles and kyoosthik…
    is this the microcosm of the macrocosm? proof that man is destined to continue to destroy each other because they can’t tolerate each other’s differences? that man’s attention is always deflected by the inane or non-constructive issue, thus avoiding the resolution of the key survival issues of present time, of which the failure to solve will condemn them to extinction in the not too distant future?
    I hope not.
    i hope not.
    See, I’ve met you both… not in the middle but… ALL THE WAY.
    C’mon everyone, can’t we all just get along?

  347. Curtis Faith April 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Check out April 21 on Wikipedia. It is the day of the year most symbolic of Conquest and Domination of the few with power over the many.
    It would make an excellent protest day. It is a saturday.
    So short the bank stocks on the days leading up the the protest. Get all your friends out of the markets.
    Then get everyone to meet and burn the loan documents on Saturday.
    And get every sovereign debtor country to stop paying egregious loans taken out by dictators and military governments to pay for arms and other boondoggles arranged by the banksters’ government agents at the IMF and world bank.
    2012 is a Jubilee year. April 21 is the day to begin it.
    April 21 could be the most important day of our lives. We just need to make it so by spreading the word.
    Seriously, look at how many events happened on that day. It will surprise you. It is also the day that things turned around.

  348. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    BTW welles…
    Sunken is an adjective, not a verb.
    Correction:
    “What lows America has sunk to.”
    One more conjugation, punctuation, capitalization or syntax error and you will be barred from this blog.
    Your either on the bus or off the bus.

  349. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    Oops!
    Correction:
    YOU’RE either on the bus or off the bus.

  350. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    We had a car hit a gasoline truck tanker in one of the counties south of here. Minor injuries, no deaths, no fire, but 8,000 gallons of gas and diesel spilled.
    A lot of the petrol went downhill into a creek. The local FD was out there for about 18 hours building berms and catchments – before finally securing the scene and turning it over to EPD/EPA and private contract crews for cleanup.
    I can’t imagine what a thing like this must cost.
    Accident was the fault of the car driver.
    Even if the car driver had $1 million worth of insurance – that’s not going to even come close to the final bill.
    FD had to stop CSX trains for about 10 hours. “Somebody” said that it cost $100,000 per hour to stop a freight train. At one point they had FIVE trains stopped.
    Wow. It is a complicated and expensive business to run this US of A.

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  351. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Sorry about the new Wally World, SJ.
    I’ve been looking for a reason to throw this trivia pursuit link out to the CFN thread. You just gave me one. 50 Amazing Numeric Facts –
    3. The combined assets of Wal-Mart’s (NYSE: WMT ) Walton family is equal to that of the bottom 150 million Americans.
    30. Americans age 60 and older owe $36 billion in student loans.
    35. According to Goldman Sachs’ Jim O’Neill, China’s growth creates the equivalent of a new Greece every 90 days.
    40. In 2009, 5% of Americans accounted for 50% of all health care costs.
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/04/05/50-amazing-numbers-about-todays-economy-.aspx
    Comment thread for this Motley Fool article is pretty interesting, also.

  352. xhalor April 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    run welles
    RUN!

  353. balkan April 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    Buck,
    Not sure if you made a typo. Original David is in Galeria del Academia in Florence. A copy is promptly placed where he stood in front of Palacio de la Signoria close to Uffici gallery.
    However, the real reason that I made this reply is to thank you for the Mian Situ link. Always like to be pleasantly surprised with realist painter.

  354. Michigan Native April 10, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    The idea of people standing up and telling the student loan racketeers to go fuck themselves is hellishly pleasing to me. That would be another story like the one of a relatively unmentioned american hero, Terry Hoskins.
    For those who do not recall that story, I am sure a google search could uncover links, but here it is in short form. This man built his house from the ground up. Something unfortunate happened, and the man could not pay off the loan. A friend of Terry Hoskins lent him the balance due, but the banks turned that down, figuring they could make more selling it at auction. So Mr. Hoskins got a bulldozer and razed his house, leaving only an empty lot for the cocksuckers from the bank to steal from him.
    Stories like this, of active and long overdue rebellion against having millions of people’s lives ruined or even is danger (ever try living homeless or without an income?) are unfortunately the exception, not the rule.
    Look at the american complacency about the healthcare disaster, the student loan racket (and where will all the jobs be when your once powerful american dollar is now not worth its weight in toilet paper, growing food will be your new occupation in life, and all those high techy types/computer nerds in various branches of engineering will suddenly be out of work in a fossil fuel depleted world as building new and better airplanes, cars, bridges, computers, etc will be the farthest thing from people’s minds nor will there be any funds to finance these nor will there be any energy or motive for these futile endeavors)
    As I make my 40 minute commute to work every afternoon, what I see around me is telling. Those of us who can see collapse rapidly approaching,are clearly in the minority. I see a different picture than most others.
    The drive down the once crowded 4 lane road to the major freeway (the traffic seems about 1/2 of what it used to be say, 10 years ago)is dotted with all kinds of stores and businesses….only about half of them are vacant and have “for lease” signs up in them. They are closing down left and right, and no new businesses have stepped in to take their place…with 2 exceptions. A gun shop and a liquor store.
    The furniture stores that are left are doing anything short of offering to lick your toe jams, no payments till 2014, we pay your sales tax, etc. Their voices seem like distant pleas from the wilderness. Most of the remaining businesses are junk food places (which seem to be holding their own) and various auto places (collision, oil change, brake repair, etc). They are doing OK for the time being, but I see these places as vacant, the road they were on travelled by very few cars, and the apperance of more and more people pushing around shopping carts, fishing through garbage cans for returnable cans, or half eaten food stuffs…something that is relatively new to this area
    Then I got to the major freeway. Good thing that little piece of shit 08 Aveo can’t go much above 70mph, the radar cops are on the loose like ravenous wolf packs. They don’t give a fuck about highway safety, they are on a mission to steal as much money from people as they can, in a vain and totally futile effort to keep the joyride going. Chronic budget shortfalls due to an ever eroding tax base. So they feast on those who are still playing by the rules, working hard, just to stay out of foreclosure and bankruptcy.
    Along the cop infested freeway, the county came up with a brilliant idea. They planted all these neat shrubs and flowering plants in symmetrical rows with wood mulch in between. Charming, most people would think. Unless you see people tearing these things up and trying to plant crops there instead as no cars or trucks traverse the pot-hole strewn, neglected highway. The cops will mow be out to ticket people for growing food or riding a bicycle without a license or permit
    Point being, americans are sheeple. In this case, we are the 1%, the ones who see the end of oil, the collapse of the US as an industrialized and unified nation. The other 99% are sleepwalking towards that cliff that lays ahead, by the time they wake up out of their lethargy and denial, it will be too late for them. Try to warn or equip the other 99% with the facts of peak oil, population overgrowth of some 5 billion people,or how dependent our moidern life has become over fossil fuels and they think your crazy or that technology, Obama, or their god will step in and save them.
    That is why I don’t see any revolution on the part of the masses, they have been and remain meek and obedient to the banks, the government, the “forces of law and order” and I don’t see them fighting back as they are lead to the slaughter house because of apathy and denial

  355. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Is that why you refused to apologize after I proved you wrong about the show Cops changing the race of the perps? After calling me a liar about it?
    Likewise, I don’t need you Kosher Stamp of Approval – I have defeated you again and again.

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  356. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    Yes we should all go around naked showing off our bodies when weather permits. Only beautiful people should wear fig leaves so as not to inspire lust. All the fuglies in the buff will help to destroy lust. I think we have figured out a good social policy “Buck”.
    Hope no one tries to eat the fig leafs off the genitalias!

  357. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    You’re right Balkan( maybe I should used M’s Rome Pieta instead) but I was using “Vatican” in the typical way it is used on this site- I’m sure you have noticed:)
    And you’re welcome regarding the Situ link.

  358. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    “ It’s a safe statement that a gathering of commas (except on certain lawful occasions, as in a list) is a suspicious circumstance” —H.W. and F.G. Fowler “ The King’s English”
    I’m beginning to think we have suspicious gathering of grammarians here 😉

  359. Vlad Krandz April 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    At least it will bring in jobs! And you can get what you need easily! But I understand your pain. I contemplate your righteous upbringing with pleasure. If you were young and unformed, I would reccomend the Amish Books that are so popular with Christian girls…
    If I have a daughter, I will name her Offred after the young woman in “The Handmaid’s Tale” – a story that all Feminsts love and I love for different reasons.
    All kidding aside, it is sad for the Community and especially the Elderly across the street. I know Walmart wreaks havoc on a deeper level wherever it goes.

  360. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    “How can a single citizen, or any number thereof, possibly comprise a threat to a government that has a trillion plus dollars to spend each year on security and weapons, the world’s largest navy and air force, 700 plus military bases across the world, large numbers of nuclear weapons, 16 intelligence agencies plus the intelligence agencies of its NATO puppet states?”
    [Pucker shrugs his shoulders and mumbles to himself]
    “I don’t know…beats me….”

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  361. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Just in case anyone was wondering –
    thinking about taxes really can kill you.
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-10/death-and-taxes-collide-as-fatal-crashes-mount-on-irs-filing-day

  362. welles April 10, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    ….i’ve lived way over half my life overseas so every once in a blue moon i get a single word wrong in english a bit, as i listen in my head trying to mentally hear how it’s used…i was torn between sunk and sunken…
    anyway i’m not the one focussing on inane trivia, it’s the old maid grammar martinets here who sound like they wear v-neck sweaters and carry library cards…
    i’m here for content, ideas, not window dressing.
    three more trees planted today, counteracting global warming bit by bit, and purifying the water and air.
    the world continues to get better.
    peace peaceniks

  363. progress2conserve April 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    Well, I’ll be danged. K/Q – Look at this study.
    http://www.livescience.com/19580-niceness-dna-scientists-find.html
    Study participants who saw the world as a threatening place, and the people in it as inherently bad, were nonetheless nice, dutiful and charitable as long as they had the versions of the receptor genes associated with niceness. These “nicer” versions of the genes, Poulin said, “allow you to overcome feelings of the world being threatening and help other people in spite of those fears.”
    50% of US whites have the genes that encode for “niceness.” Percentage is lower in US Asian populations – despite these populations “social cohesion.” No mention was made of the genetic coding among US blacks for “niceness.” Sorry, Vlad – I’m sure they will get to that in the next study.

  364. Bustin J April 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    On M1ll3n14ls, “Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off.”
    Ummm… Nope. No spark, no shear dint. A bunch of very dull knives, with no momentum. They can be picked up and used by politicians- they proved that with Obama. Thats about it.
    Tre said “What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I’ve read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, “OK. But what can we DO about this?”
    In other words, expressing total ignorance. Nice try, guy. M1ll3n14ls aren’t going anywhere. After all, to a cargo cult, youth is just another miracle fix, just around the corner. In reality the millennials are just younger, dumber cargo cultists.
    Many people are simply waiting for the Whiz kid to come along and figure out how to clean up the mess, in politics, religion, the environment, all the way down to the family level.
    “What we’re getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)”
    This is totally true. Your cell-phone is making you unhappy, though you’d be hard pressed to realise that. You can’t even put your finger on it. After all, the proliferation of all these objects demanding your attention further traps people in their own little worlds of convenience and comfort. Technology has bred a nation of voyeurs and social robots. The social Darwinism has sharply increased. The Millenials are actually the least prepared to handle any modern problem. (For the reason why see Cargo Cult Whiz Kid above)
    The older generation expects (laughably) that the system of international trade and capitalism’s “Free Market” will supply Millennials with the tools to fix the problem of the collapsing climate and ecosystems. They are only providing the tools and jobs to keep the current arrangements running. Fiscal reality demands Millennials pour their wealth and energy into the existing self-destructing system. Millennials aren’t stupid; the deal is raw.
    At the same time Millennials are required to eat a shit sandwich of high prices, inflation, low wages, and careers without benefits or stability.
    The cohort breaks down into women and men. Young women are buoyed by their social and sexual dominance as young women. Young men are confused, abused and repressed. As young women drop out due to fecklessness and pregnancy, the young men drop out due to hopelessness and fatigue.
    We’ve allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.
    All that is impossible in America today. It is not possible to course correct. It is not possible for unskilled, ignorant kids to solve the problems we’ve faced. Dennis Meadows is right- we ought to invest in becoming resilient for the 0-10 year old set because there is no guarantee the kids born between 2012-2022 will have any kind of future worth living in from 2042-2142.
    Paraphrasing Al Bartlett, the problem is now humanity’s inability to understand the linear function. Assume crash positions.

  365. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    Orlov suggests that it would be more efficient to have the IRS administer ObamaCare….

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  366. apingos April 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    welles, I agree. these guys remind me of the TV show, Big Bang Theory. You have a great attitude–more trees is the answer.

  367. Michigan Native April 10, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    I might add, we don’t have to buy foreclosed homes or repo’d cars, etc. If we had enough men with balls like Terry Hoskins out there, as well as people refusing to buy these things, then the bastards would have to stop. They will sooner or later, as housing values plunge into the negatives as the suburbs decay and become inaccessible by foot (the new means of transportation…bicycle tires succumb to dry rot) and cars with internal combustion engines will become worthless and useless, but in the meantime, the misery and suffering they will create, and those of you who chose to get in on these “deals” deserve to be boiled in oil, in my humble opinion

  368. Buck Stud April 10, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    The art wing of OWS is jumping into the fray – some of the comments are interesting.
    “The biennial perpetuates the myth that art functions like other professional careers and that selection and participation in the exhibition, for which artists themselves are not compensated, will secure a sustainable vocation,” the letter goes on. “This fallacy encourages many young artists to incur debt from which they will never be free and supports a culture industry and financial and cultural institutions that profit from their labors and financial servitude.”
    http://artsandlabor.org/end-the-whitney-biennial-2014/

  369. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Death & Taxes: If the IRS administered ObamaCare, then it could reduce its healthcare costs by taxing people to death. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone….

  370. Inquiring Mind April 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Can’t agree with Kunstler on this.
    No generation is going to revolt against this totalitarian government. All are too complacent, anesthetized, apathetic or successfully programmed. Look at how all those millions across the sea slid right into Communism and Socialism without much of a fuss.
    Might be some guys out of Idaho who every once in a while bomb some government buildings, have shoot outs with law enforcement or the National Guard or whatever.
    The population will go quietly into that long dark night—with a whimper. Sheep to the slaughter.

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  371. Pucker April 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    I hope that all of you CFNers had a happy, relaxing Passover holiday.
    To refresh your memories: It’s when The Angel-of-Death passes you by…..

  372. Vlad Kramps April 10, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    “We’ve allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.” BS
    Ummh, does this mean that Asoka’s idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea?

  373. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    “One of the few nuggets of wisdom to have come from the economics “profession” is that if something can’t go on it won’t.”
    They do not however apply this principle to themselves. Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. No economists stands up and speaks out when the words ‘sustainable growth’ are uttered despite being a compete impossibility and oxymoron. Growth of GNP is always considered to be good no matter what has grown or if anyone has actually benefited from the growth. A mainstream economists always advocates economic growth and never considers that it can’t go on forever. Mainstream economists believe that infinite substitution can always replace depleted resources and that new technology will always find an answer to maintain economic growth.

  374. k-dog April 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    No group can be expected to exert the self-discipline necessary to control population unless there is a way to keep the advantages of such self-discipline from being eaten up by inward migration. No immigration control means no population control. Open borders will always lead to population growth.

  375. messianicdruid April 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    “As if one has to go through it to know about it!”
    You cannot return from a place you have not been.

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  376. Mike Hunt April 10, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    The writing has been on the wall for a long time in San Jose. The times I’ve been there trying to negotiate the six to eight lane boulevards with virtually identical shopping centers every few miles with ‘Best Buy’, ‘Office Max’ ‘Java Juice’, ‘Starbucks’, ‘Target’, etc. ad nauseum. I feel your pain, but didn’t San Jose sell out and lose its soul several years ago? What did you expect? Your husband has a nice job, it seems, but you’re living in an environment with an ever diminishing standard of living.
    MH

  377. Kyooshtik April 10, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    I was sitting here waiting for the Knicks/Bulls game to begin, watching some interviews and B-ball talking-head analysis. The Knicks won a thriller against the Bulls on Sunday and now it’s Tuesday and they’re playing the Bulls again. So, Woodson, the interim head coach who replaced the fired D’Antoni says, (in regard to this being the second game in a row in 3 days against the Bulls), “So this is a learning curve game for us.” (If I had been the interviewer I would have said, “please explain for our audience Coach exactly in what sense or manner this is “a learning curve game.”)
    The Woodson interview ends and the cameras go back to Walt “Clyde” Frazier, color commentator (no, I didn’t say “colored” commentator) and his sidekick and Clyde parrots Woodson, “As Coach Woodson said, this is a learning curve game for the Knicks.” (Wow! the profundity of it all!)
    Now I ask you, have you ever heard such meaningless drivel? It is obvious to me that neither of these two guys has the slightest idea what a learning curve is. If they did know it would mean that theoretically the Knicks would have learned from the experience of the first game, thus making it easier to play the Bulls effectively in the second game. This has a certain ring of truth to it except that the Bulls also would be “playing a learning curve game” so who could say who had learned more? Learning curve theory rightly says that you will do something easier, better, quicker on the second iteration than the first if the iterations are in fairly quick succession. Who could say with certainty that this will be the case tonight?
    The only way Woodson’s learning curve statement would have any validity – not that he actually has ever been taught the concept, or the math, or seen a learning curve plotted on graph paper – would be if the Knicks’ opponents were not humans but rather like a computer opponent with a fixed ability level, never improving nor worsening regardless of playing successive games. Thus the Knicks would have learned something from their first game on Sunday while their opponent didn’t.
    I apologize for being grossly off topic (and perhaps even showing signs of “losing it”) but this kind of shit bothers me. It’s like the full page color ads you see in the papers for The Hunger Games. The picture is of Katniss, the heroine of the story, string pulled back, ready to shoot an arrow with her bow. It is obvious from the way the arrow is held that the actress playing this role knows less about archery than I do about quantum mechanics, which is nothing.

  378. youmouyixia April 11, 2012 at 12:34 am #

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  379. Shakazulu April 11, 2012 at 12:58 am #

    I speak for everyone here when I say we’re happy your world is always getting better, but–
    when western civ falls, don’t you think some of the dust will settle on SA? Who is Brazil going to sell all those cars to?

  380. Shakazulu April 11, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    Woa! Shaka12 what? Are there 11 others I don’t know about?

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  381. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize “controversial” subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday…
    This is funny legislation. In education students are always encouraged to ask questions. When the truth is discovered through Socratic dialog, then minds change.
    An example of this happened to me on CFN. I questioned the laws of physics and through productive Socratic dialog with other posters the truth was discovered, and I changed my mind. I now believe in the laws of physics.

  382. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    Oh, this is precious!
    I borrowed 2 Kunstler books from my library yesterday and just got around to cracking The Long Emergency a minute ago. I read the front jacket blurb which continued on to the back jacket and then I noticed that on the blank side of the very last page of the book a note was printed out in pencil by a previous reader. Here’s what it said:
    “Don’t take this too seriously. This guy ain’t no scientist – hell, he doesn’t even know a half-decent editor.
    If you’re reading this, I have some advice:
    Go do something to get this out of your mind. Have a few drinks, light up a fat spliff, talk to somebody who doesn’t believe prophets of doom.
    Whatever you do for gods’ sakes don’t dwell on this book. All it has to offer is a nauseatingly smug vision of doom.”
    Analysis of note by Q:
    The printing in the note appears to be that of a young person, perhaps high school age. However, I speculate it was written by someone older since I don’t see any spelling, grammar or punctuation errors save the italicized words above which I feel should have read God’s sake although a convoluted argument could be made that he (or she) actually intended the possessive form of more than one (lower case, hinting at atheism) god and thus plural “sakes.” The note was unsigned.
    Q’s Note: We often hear people say “for Christ’s sakes” which they run all together so it sounds like “for ChriceSakes” but I hold that Christ (or God) would only have one “sake.” I covered this ground in another post several months ago.

  383. Bustin J April 11, 2012 at 1:45 am #

    “Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual “building” of the social and civic realm.” BS
    Ummh, does this mean that Asoka’s idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea? ”
    Oh, yeah. We should have kept the lid on Mexico and the rest of Central America. I guarantee the world would have been a better place if we had not meddled in Central America.
    Remittances are great but they are cargo cult cash. Migration turned central America into a place no one cares about.
    k-dog sed, “Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. ”
    Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.

  384. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Sorry, forgot to italicize gods’ sakes

  385. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    Its ‘just’ Big Brother watching us!
    ‘plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone’s “@-comments” on twaddle’
    Can you get someone to translate the ‘Chinese spams’ here, or are they gibberish?
    Vlad and Bucky, you might enjoy reading page 419 of ‘the Bell Curve’.

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  386. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Pleeze! People who deface library books.
    Since when does someone need to be a [sigh] Scientist [underlined] to see Peak Everything
    I was just reading ‘Visions Of The Anointed’ in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!

  387. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    R U OEO?

  388. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!
    ============
    In which who says a few things? Who is he?

  389. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    ‘Are you too busy? Are you too cool?’
    Who made you King?

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  391. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 3:03 am #

    “Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.”
    There was a time when one became ill they were better off statistically to stay away from doctors. This is the current state of conventional economic understanding.
    Capitalism as it currently exists is totally incompatible with all efforts to save the environment. There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values. Rather than change values we instead choose ignorance. Consequently species extinction will continue until the species we eliminate is us.
    We may actually live to see the end of humanity.

  392. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 3:04 am #

    ‘Hopes she makes the right financial decisions from here on.’ Like buying a farm?

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  394. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 7:19 am #

    “Who started the small caps mania …”
    -Vlad
    I think that would be poet, author (The Enormous Room) and WW1 vet e.e. cummings.
    –WSP7

  395. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 7:38 am #

    How ’bout the upcoming $40,000 per plate Hollywood fundraiser for Obama hosted by George Clooney in his own SoCal home? Whats on the menu? I’m sure a lot of good stuff. Who will attend? Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out. And after dinner many of the guests are jetting off to Clooney’s private villa in the South of France to extend the festivities, including Mr. Sustainable Economy himself, Ed Begley.
    Owser types, take note. Draw your own conclusions.
    –WSP7

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  396. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    I was wondering, do you think it possible for these HOLLYWOOD STARS, after the $40,000 dinner and before the soiree in Cannes, to stop in NYC, ride a limo from the airport to lower Manhattan, and partake in a photo op solidarity session with the remaining OWSERS, bedraggled and beleaguered as they are? New Haven Owsers could use help, too. It would certainly buoy spirits, as well as boost the revolutionary and iconoclastic bona fides of these annointed movie stars? They can’t lose! And it would still leave plenty of time to drink champaigne and discuss the revolution with Mick Jagger and other expats in SFrance.
    –WSP7

  397. ozone April 11, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    LOL!
    I’d guess it just shows-ta-go-ya that the glitterati are as bereft of ideas as any pandering politicos. Kinda gobsmacking that supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that’s clearly caused by business-as-usual. But, hey, if’n they got the dough-re-mi, perhaps it makes ’em feel better at least. (Does too much loose money engender loose thinking skills?)
    If I had an “extra” 40 grand [of pocket change] laying around, I wouldn’t be stuffing it into some politician’s war chest. Talk about your basic waste of capital!

  398. dgmoocher April 11, 2012 at 9:29 am #

    I agree with you on many points in your entertaining blog James, but I keep hearing that we’re going to crash going to crash going to crash and it keeps not happening at least (thank God) not in a dramatic way. Aren’t we already playing our new hand of hamburger flipping jobs?……
    This is it.

  399. ozone April 11, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Bustin sez:
    “Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.”
    The themes are [to my mind] in direct opposition.
    Who is it that keeps changing the subject or equating the two? Who benefits from this false conjunction?
    If the “folks” don’t start learning to read between the lines, they ain’t gonna make it.
    Can we say, “duuuuh”, while drooling? I knew we could! ;o)

  400. Crazy Horse April 11, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    What is to be done, young Sheeple? Take the C train.
    C is for Canada, as in civilized country. Whoops. Don’t think they will let you in, because somebody from China or Cambodia has already been admitted and they are twice as educated and twice as smart as you are. And those nice polite Canadians don’t really like being treated as a colony for all these years—.
    C is for Costa Rico. Plenty of jobs as real estate salesperson selling retirement homes to other Gringos. What’s that? You say gringos can no longer afford to retire because they have to defend their shopping cart space under a freeway overpass?
    C is for Columbia. Now you are getting warmer. Actually if you are referring to the women the word is HOT! You did take Spanish in college? Because nobody will give a shit about the other worthless crap you studied for a degree. You just might find yourself living in a country that looks with pity upon the third world conditions in the dying empire to the north in a few decades.
    C is for Chile. Prefer great wine to hot women? Want to live in a country that already is nipping at the heels of the USA for quality of life, and is not groaning under the burden of supporting a worldwide imperial army?
    Go South, young Man! And leave your student loan shackles behind.

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  401. messianicdruid April 11, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    “There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values.”
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp
    “contemporary values” = there’s the rub… Who is responsible for these “contemporary values”?

  402. ozone April 11, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    Further into the abyss, we hear the tolling of a lone bell in the far distance and a indistinct wail for self-realized life…
    “The pervasive false consciousness, engendered by the atomized, artificial nature of existence within the corporate/consumer state — e.g., the Media Age usurping of the innate longings of the human heart by transmuting desire into consumer craving — has not only left consumerist true believers bereft of the ability to honestly process information — but has rendered all too many unable to locate the source of their own suffering.” -Phil Rockstroh
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31037.htm
    Take heed, our enemies are well-ensconced in our very consciousness. The very best position for a predatory disease that wishes to retain both vampiric control and anonymity.

  403. ozone April 11, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    “an” indistinct (etc.)

  404. welles April 11, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    glad your world is always getting better…but– when western civ falls…
    wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since.
    we meet every challenge – food production, illness, transportation, energy, pollution, education.
    we are not going back, not going to collapse. we will simply adjust to any setbacks and find alternate ways to achieve abundance.
    …and the cfn’ers will be crying doom on their iphone27s from their hyper energy-efficient houses that consume 3% of today’s houses…
    think that’s a dream…in denmark they have houses that produce more energy than they consume, employing a mix of natural/technological methods.
    you ain’t seen nothing yet.
    CFN reminds me of the Patent Office director in 1898 who said the Office should be closed because everything had already been invented…
    what a laffable lot you are!
    peace peaceniks

  405. apingos April 11, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    Welles, Yes , the biggest adjustments will be to live within our means and to reduce the dependance on credit. These adjustments will be made, economies of scale will be created and co2 levels will eventually level off. In 20 years most folks will be driving electric cars. That’s the future i envision. I’m so encouraged to see the urban agriculture movement take off.

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  406. ozone April 11, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    “wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since.” -welles
    And an electric personal transport vehicle for all, as well! Coooool! (BTW, what were we going to make those roads out of anyway?)
    I suppose this is why the Dept. of Fatherland S’kur’dy has just ordered 450 million rounds of .40 cal. hollow-point ammo. It’s to welcome in the new age of reason and enlightenment! Good to know there, welles; thanks.

  407. wardoc April 11, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    You missed my point entirely.
    Dementia must be a terrible disease with which to cope.
    “sarcasm on,sarcasm off.” please….

  408. San Jose Mom 51 April 11, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Hi Q,
    I found something from the front page of today’s “San Jose Mercury News” that I know you will appreciate. The headline reads, “Sometimes, an F really is better than a D”
    “Prechous Hodges wants her F back. And that’s just one of the twists in the bizarre grade saga enveloping Antioch’s Dozier-Libbey Medical High School, where some parents complained that the school’s rigorous grading system pushed their stressed-out kids to the point of depression and the school district responded by changing dozens of F’s handed out the past for years to D’s.
    Now, some students are saying the passing grades are actually hindering their college plans, and teachers believe the policy change has some students trying to fail classes.”
    The article goes on to say that they prefer an “F” because then they can take the class over again in the summer and get a good grade. Does this make sense?
    Jen
    P.S. There is a picture of Prechous on the front page. Do you want to guess her ethnicity?

  409. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    At JCs some dont want a ‘D’. Something about if you want to retake a class you need an ‘F’?

  410. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Thomas Sowell talks about a judge who made a ruling in favor of a pest, that he be allowed to use library / harrass people.
    Clinton promoted the judge. Sowell calls it vagrant
    [his term] v. ‘homeless’ [this homeless guy inherited “beaucoup” bucks.

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  411. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Here in El Lay there are [and these may be elsewhere as well]Biodiesel Limos so folks can go to the Academy Awards in a big but green way!
    Did Bono get to build his series of houses on the Malibu mountain? I hope not.

  412. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Does this make sense?
    ===========
    Yo Jen, I agree with your rhetorical question that (on the surface) it really sounds nuts but after much googling I was able to locate the article and now understand the logic of these kids preferring the F grade.
    The photo you mentioned was of a 16 year old somewhat overweight black girl who might possibly pass for 34.
    Below is a link for anyone who cares to read about a school changing its grading policy and touching off unintended consequences.
    A question: How is the name Prechous pronounced? Precious? Preck-oose? Where DO they get these names?!
    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_20367786/grading-at-new-antioch-magnet-high-school-has

  413. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    “Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out.”
    “The operatives of the One Percent (the shapers of cultural awareness) are dream twisters…usurpers of yearning. They are well aware that the heart’s language is expressed in the lexicon of transformation…of the deep-dwelling human longing to find the sublime in quotidian experience…a mode of being we term freedom i.e., a desire to have one’s unique character forged by one’s choices in life, as one negotiates the happenstance of unfolding fate.”
    Phil Rockstroh
    And to echo Ozone, another sustainable dog:
    “Supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that’s clearly caused by business-as-usual.”
    K-dog for president, spread the word. Write me in. Let me be the next Guy Fawkes.

  414. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Hey antisoak out in LA do you ever see any of these hypocritical f—-rs cruising around town (in their Bentleys)?
    Also, its not ‘Bono’, its ‘Saint Bono’.
    –WSP7

  415. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supra-national organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: “Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?”

    Why Socialism?

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  416. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    No, when he looks in the mirror it is Saint Bono.

  417. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Saint Bono in rose colored glasses.

  418. San Jose Mom 51 April 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Our school simply doesn’t have summer school due to budget cuts. If you want to turn an “F” into a better grade, you have to retake the class at a private school that offers summer school at a price, or take the class via BYU, at a cost of $150. The BYU finals are proctered at a local school/community college. The proctors have to pass some kind of BYU qualification and have to carefully monitor the test taker to make sure they don’t cheat. Some kids at our local high school take BYU classes to enhance their transcript.

  419. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Thomas Sowell talks about a judge who made a ruling in favor of a pest,
    ============
    I remember the case from several years ago. For awhile it was a cause celebre. The pest was a guy, very much looking like a vagrant (scruffy beard, etc.) but not actually poor (if I remember correctly) who was perpetually filthy and stunk (stank?) to high heaven. He liked to hang out at the Public Library and made it unbearable for other patrons accustomed to a higher level of hygiene and a suit was brought to ban him. The filthy pest won.

  420. apingos April 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    I wonder how many of You see yourselves as Guy Fawkes wantabees? There is tons of hypocrisy of all sides of the political spectrum, live with it.

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  421. welles April 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    And an electric personal transport vehicle for all, as well! Coooool! (BTW, what were we going to make those roads out of anyway?)
    the luddites here never cease to amaze me.
    ever heard of concrete roads? they last 10 times longer than asphalt. sure they’re more expensive.
    so find a way to produce them more cheaply.
    or develop another material.
    plus, millions of folks are not using roads nearly as much since they work at home. i’ve worked at home 100% since 2010.
    and who said a vehicle for ALL, besides your negative nabob imaginings? every heard of public transport?
    in germany they give you a 50% tax rebate for buying an electric vehicle.
    these are not perfect solutions. note that they are provisional solutions though.
    peace peaceniks

  422. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    You are our man on the ground as to what Latinos are thinking. What are they thinking about the persecution of Zimmerman?
    The Bell Curve? It is my pillow at night. This is the best way to learn any text. And oh what dreams have come!

  423. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Energy consumption is the biggest environmental concern with cement and concrete production. Cement production is one of the most energy intensive of all industrial manufacturing processes. Including direct fuel use for mining and transporting raw materials, cement production takes about six million Btus for every ton of cement
    Dickweed

  424. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Samuel Huntington called Latin America a distinct civilization from Western Civilization. It’s debatable, but let’s say that the Western Element is weak in most places. It’s is a function of the percentagle of White. So if you value all that high tech, have kids with a White Woman. Put your pennis where your mouth is.
    Too bad about the Amazon Forest though….guess that has to go.
    Read Ursuala LeGuin’s “The Word for World is Forest”.

  425. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Yes! Let’s all attack him like a pack! Tear him apart and then feast.

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  426. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    “millions of folks are not using roads nearly as much since they work at home.”
    Millions? I personally only know of two.

  427. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    There is a time for peace and a time for war. The latter now. Defend yourself!
    I don’t get along with these other dogs, but when the wolf appears, dogs forget their quarrels. Aesop, a Black perhaps.

  428. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    No, probably just another idiot.

  429. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    You lie: you say you are going to Pinsk because you want me to think you are going to Minsk – but I know you are actually going to Pinsk.

  430. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    You’re a raciss if you think Aesop was a White Idiot and not a Black one.
    I think his fables are full of commonsense, which is far from common it seems.

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  431. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    No, it is you War, who does not understand. Asoka has an incredible lust for rehashing drama from the supposedly terrible treatment of all blacks by all whites in the distant past. When he doesn’t get his weekly dose of righteous indignation, he must invent one. You fell into his trap.
    P.S. He probably even thinks Zimmerman is guilty! ;0

  432. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    Yes, he might have been the first. But there was a long gap (I think) between him and the begining of the craze. Someone(s) else got it rolling. Maybe Cummings was the original inspiration though.

  433. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
    Albert Einstein 1949

  434. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Why does it matter what color an idiot is? If it walks and quacks like a duck it is a fucking duck.

  435. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    P.S. He probably even thinks Zimmerman is guilty!
    ===================
    Zimmerman is guilty of murdering an unarmed person.
    You probably think O.J. Simpson is guilty, even after they found the guy who really committed that murder.
    O.J. Is Innocent and I Can Prove It
    All those years you were convinced O.J. was guilty of murder and “got away with it.”
    Eventually the truth comes out. O.J. was innocent.

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  436. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Rush just said Eric Holder called Al Sharpton this morning and thanked him for his work on the Treyvon Martin case. There you have it folks – the Administration wants race war.
    As soon as Obama was elected Black Pundits and Ministers acrosss the Country assured each other that nothing had changed. The Game was still On. Why wouldn’t they? To actually admit that the Great Work was over would mean giving up countless benefits and jobs. Such nobility is rare in any Race and almost nonexistent in Blacks. No, it will never end until We end it. As Theordore Bilbo said, the ultimate goal of Civil Rights is to make Whites slaves and Blacks their Masters.

  437. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    What big teeth you have. Nice doggy. Why is Aesop an idiot btw?

  438. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Really, you were there? Did you take an I-phone video so I can make an informed decision like you? Because being thousands of miles away I can’t make one, not being there and all.

  439. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    I’m not going to get sucked into your fables.

  440. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    I don’t own an iPhone. Sorry. I had to rely on police video and police reports. The murder victim was unarmed (he had a bag of Skittles), was attacked, screamed for help (voice analysis proof) and murdered. The murderer was not arrested. Care to contest any of those facts. Eyewitness is all you accept as evidence?

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  441. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    LOL! Vlad you don’t know you already been sucked into a race war fable that you’ve been propagating for years.
    I’m going to feed your fable now: you whites are a minority (a plague on humanity). You are on your way out and there is no way to stop it.
    Miscegenation rules!

  442. welles April 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    yep, every advance and all you see is problems…so what if it takes a lot of energy to produce cement…read the WHOLE post before you excoriate others….i said we can find/invent ways to make cement production cheaper etc.
    did it always take 6,000,000 btus to make a ton of cement/concrete? or has the process NEVER CHANGED and GOTTEN MORE EFFICIENT?
    do you know that gigantic vessels are pulled out from the harbour to the ocean in germany/holland using SAILS that catch the wind?
    this saves ENORMOUS amounts of fuel. and produces NO POLLUTION.
    it’s called PROGRESS and FINDING SOLUTIONS.
    we don’t need throwbacks who only see problems everywhere they look.
    heating your house takes enormous amounts of energy. are you going to freeze, or find a solution?
    peace peaceniks

  443. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    have kids with a White Woman. Put your pennis where your mouth is.
    ===============
    Would it be OK instead if I put my penis where her mouth is?
    ;o)

  444. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    In Asoka’s world view, there is no need for trial by jury. Asoka has declared Zimmerman guilty, so guilty he must be. Somewhere in Equador they are building Asokaland, where rides can take you back to the Jim Crow Era, every black person ever committed for a crime is set free, and whites are lynched for things that happened to black people 150 years ago.
    The latest piece of crap about how O.J. didn’t do it is written by a guy who has figured out a way to make 20 bucks a copy for writing fiction. Any guess as to who will be the first in line to buy it? Hint: it won’t be me.

  445. rippedthunder April 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    Hey WSP, I thought Clooney’s place was up on Lake Como, in the southern Alps, that would be mine and the old ladies stompin’ grounds. My family is from Caspano, in the hills north of Milan.

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  446. rippedthunder April 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Perhaps one of the most beautiful places on Earth;
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Como

  447. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Where is shooter George Zimmerman?
    Zimmerman’s lawyers held a news conference yesterday to say that they had lost contact with their client, and that they would no longer be representing him.
    If you are guilty, you run.

  448. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    Asokaland is a wonderful place. You should visit sometime.
    BTW, it is Ecuador, not Equador. It is Colombia, not Columbia. Stupid Americans.

  449. rippedthunder April 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    Sure Q, that would be OK, ;o)

  450. Rhino April 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    “you whites are a minority (a plague on humanity).” – Asoka
    More racist hate mongering from Asoka.
    Go fucking away Asoka. Far away. Away from people.

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  451. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    He sure do show the right side of his face, don’t he?

  452. rippedthunder April 11, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    Who U be callin’ stuppit Willis? Columbia bikes were made in MA. since 1877! So There!

  453. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    Thank God for Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Starting in 2014, Obama’s health care law requires most Americans to obtain health insurance, either through an employer, a government program, or by buying their own policies. In return, insurance companies would be prohibited from turning away the sick. Government would subsidize premiums for millions now uninsured. Thank God for Big Government.
    It’s about time people take responsibility, and the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it.
    Of course, the law only requires people to purchase the minimum low monthly premium for a bronze plan, making it easier to budget for.
    Thank God for the Harry Reid Democrats, the Hollywood Crowd, the Far Left Juggernaut, the Occupy Wall Street Bunch, etc. God loves them.

  454. tucsonspur April 11, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    Is the Justice Department, among others, behind the charges now being brought against Zimmerman?
    How about $25,000 bounties, dead or alive, on Al Sharpton and those black panthers?

  455. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    Few people are aware of this, but Johnny Cochran’s original defense for O.J. was that Nicole Brown had a yeast infection and his client was simply trying to cut it out of her 😉

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  456. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Do you write to Orenthal in prison? Do you start with, “Dear Juice”?
    Most Blacks believe he did it btw. They just want to stick it to Whites. That’s Black Justice – and what we can expect when and where Blacks are the majority.

  457. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Truth hurt, do it?
    Most of the 20th century violence (millions were killed) was mostly whites killing whites.
    You whites so violent, you in charge of your own genocide. No too smart.

  458. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    “Government would subsidize premiums for millions now uninsured. Thank God for Big Government.
    It’s about time people take responsibility, and the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it.”
    And in Asokaland, pink and white unicorns crap out pastel colored skittles. Just where the gubmin gets its money is a mystery to me!

  459. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    Just where the gubmin gets its money is a mystery to me!
    ================
    You not too smart. I got it figured out.

  460. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    And in Asokaland, the gubmint provides everyone with his or her own mud hut. “Free” of course! Ya see, the gubmint be rich and they can afford it!

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  461. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    You don’t know where her mouth has been. All you know is what comes out of it. As C.S Lewis said to a woman who complained that her husband didn’t listen to her, “Who could listen to all of that”?
    Why do you use a semicolon and not a colon in your schmile? Are you winking at me you queer?

  462. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    How about $25,000 bounties, dead or alive, on Al Sharpton and those black panthers?
    ===============
    Ummm, they didn’t kill anybody. I’m adding you to the growing list of stupid people today.

  463. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    Dirt is free. You stupid.

  464. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    I got a smart list, too.
    Welles, Crazy Horse, Dee Jones, and anybody else smart enough to leave the USA while they can is on the smart list.

  465. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    But why would “smart” people be leaving the USA just when the government was going to hand out all of these great “bennies”?

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  466. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    That you don’t know is more proof you stupid.

  467. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    CORRECTION
    That you don’t know is more proof you stupid.
    May God have mercy.

  468. balkan April 11, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Buck,
    Thank you for another link. Arts & Labor folks are dealing with age old story.
    I always remember, “for my selfish reasons”, drunken sculptor’s rant to architect Roark in Ayn Rand’s “Fountainhead” how he is “supposed to” hire an artist.
    In the world where all values are upside down it is not uncommon that army of designers and artesian craftsmen make some home to shine. Same home on the market will have bimbo realtor “working hard” stumbling over the front lawn in her high heels to post her sign and giving “real professional advices” like: “Bake some cookies…” Her commission, or his, when former beach bum is a realtor, easily passes, if not multiple fold, of each Arts & Labor individual.
    As for the current blog, same upside down values and greed allowed to go wild in some industries makes, I guess, that medical profession from Jim’s previous posts and now education is no different and revolves around some kind of scam.

  469. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    So I take it you believe is sustainable economic growth and that technical solutions can be found for all our problems?
    A simple yes or no will do.

  470. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    Paying attention to Ann Rand is your first mistake.

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  471. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    So I take it you believe in sustainable economic growth and that technical solutions can be found for all our problems?

  472. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    Thank God for Big Government… the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it… Thank God for the Harry Reid Democrats, the Hollywood Crowd, the Far Left Juggernaut, the Occupy Wall Street Bunch, etc. God loves them.
    ===============
    Ahh Wednesday, Asoka’s favorite day to stirrr the pot. Beside the above (praise for Big Govt) his other can’t-miss shtick is to speak Ebonics as in “Truth hurt, do it?”

  473. JonathanSS April 11, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    What a hater & race card thrower. New country not doing much to increase a positive frame of mind?

  474. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    Ayn

  475. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    Yes, and he’s also a coward. He chants Kumbaya and talks about unity and all that, but when challenged, his true self emerges. In one breath he’ll champion Obama and the new direction he’s taking our country in and in the next he writes how he’s moving to South America before TSHTF. Classic!
    My favorite recurring meme of his (which reflects just how f’d up he is) is how people need to take responsibility for themselves and how the GOVERNMENT is just the party to make (READ FORCE) them to do it. The Federal government as a nanny state exists because people people pay taxes to cover its costs.
    Constitutionally, the Federal government cannot FORCE a citizen to pay for insurance. It can be argued that the state has this power, because most states I’m aware of mandate that you have insurance to own/operate a car.
    But, whatever. It’s just so much fun to see him expose himself as the fraud that he is.

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  476. xhalor April 11, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Hey K-Dog! How’s the campaign going? These are your constituents! I would rather shoot off one of my toes!

  477. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    btw, I think that Zimmerman is going to be (rightfully) charged with murder today. I just like to push our boy, Asoka’s buttons.

  478. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    In practice what will happen, as it becomes clear that peak oil is a reality, the rich and powerful will grab as much as they can, and not worry much about the poor and the weak. … people are going to do bad things to each other.
    An interview with Dennis Meadows

  479. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

    Long ago when all 3 of us had different ‘handles’
    you noted Jaygo /VK gave no details of his life.
    At OccidentalObserver one Vlad Speaks says:
    ‘I own and run a business and do the book keeping’.

  480. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Yeah the campaign. I’m finding awareness raising to be hard work so I continue to look for a paid gig. An obvious effect of the campaign has been to increase my own awareness of our global predicament and my awareness of the many others who have paved the way before me. Unfortunately this awareness pushes me further and further from contemporary ways of thinking which it turns out is the real problem.
    The widespread and horribly misplaced faith in globalized capitalism and the ‘growth economy’ is almost certain to bring on a new dark age from which mankind can not recover. Die back will be immense as human philosophies and worldviews are unable to change fast enough to prevent or mitigate the coming crash.
    A turkey thinks everything is fine the days and weeks before thanksgiving and is blithely unaware of its inevitable fate. So it is true of humans, most of us are turkeys.
    And for those of you who know what is coming: Sitting on your ass and not doing anything about it makes you no better than turkeys.
    We need an occupy the white house lawn movement.
    I should get busy and write the sustainability manifesto. But so many ideas, so little time. I wish I had help.
    K-dog for president.

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  481. Widespreadpanic7 April 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    Hey Ozone the Fireplace Cafe is closing on April 29.
    Been open since 1946, only two owners.
    –WSP7

  482. xhalor April 11, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    My favorite part of the interview with Dennis Meadows was when he spoke about how he addresses state officials concerning the New Hampshire oil problem; “I’m not going to communicate anything to them. So you need first that they are concerned about the problem, so that they are open at least to thinking about it.”
    Looks like the scientists are getting tired of beating their head on the wall.

  483. IxNoMor April 11, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    So if’n yous’a gunna reply to yerself, you should at least create anothah login account…

  484. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Liek *DIS*!

  485. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Hahah! Welles jumped the US ship, when he wouldn’t pay his $10k in backtaxes. He should be subscribing (*PRESCRIBING* lulz) to one of those woodworks schemerz, who will “get him off” with a partial payment in the neighborhood of 10 cents on the *DOLLAH* [GL w/ dat]!!!
    If I’d played it smart liek welles the past 2 years’ tax filings, I could have run with ~$8k… Bwahaha!!! Too late, already *PAID IN FULL*…

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  486. progress2conserve April 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    “…the rich and powerful will grab as much as they can, and not worry much about the poor and the weak. …” -k-9-
    K, it has always been the nature of the rich to grab as much as they can. We in the US just had SO MUCH from which the rich could grab – that their depredations were hard to spot. Until, that is, some threshold was breached after patriotism died down after WWII.
    It could have happened when Kennedy oversaw cutting marginal tax rates from 90% to 70%.
    It picked up lots of speed during the decade of “greed is good,” when marginal tax rates on the “super rich” were cut WAY too far. (St. Reagan of the Right was in charge then – but he’s been Officially Canonized to the point that there is no longer anything to be gained by mentioning this.)
    Somewhere along the way, the most regressive tax of all (Social Security and Medicare) for a self-employed middle class person was raised up to 15.3%. (temporarily it is at 12.6%)
    There have been places along the way where disaster might have been more easily averted.
    But now, the die appears to be cast.
    Buckle up, CF’ers –
    It’s going to be a long, rough ride.

  487. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    Menopause. Or PMS. Gots to blame it on something … but not on white privilege, no siree.

  488. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    But, whatever. It’s just so much fun to see him expose himself as the fraud that he is.
    =============
    Hey, that’s what I’m here for, to entertain you. Glad you are having fun, and I am having success.

  489. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    I just like to push our boy, Asoka’s buttons.
    ==============
    Boy, you are pushing them. Good for you.

  490. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Until, that is, some threshold was breached after patriotism died down after WWII.
    So, the answer is patriotism?
    Rah, rah, sis boom bah! USA! USA! #1
    Except in infant mortality, education, etc.

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  491. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    Meow.

  492. progress2conserve April 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    “What a hater & race card thrower.”
    -jonathanss, to asoka-
    That’s asoka, all right. It took me over a year posting to CFN to realize the depth of hate that asoka. manifests.
    And the article that he linked today
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/01/the-end-of-white-america/7208/ The article drips with a saccharine worship of “multi-culturalism,” made possible by an unacknowledged (by the author) flood of money and immigrants into the US. A flood that will ebb, is ebbing, as inevitably as fossil fuel use is ebbing.
    Look to the comment section of the article, if you want to see HATE for whites. I wonder if asoka is one or more of the commentators – perhaps the most hateful of them.
    Despite the snarkiness of the author, and the hate of the comments section – there are some interesting ideas, if you dig them out:
    “…it’s possible to imagine white identity politics growing more potent and more forthright in its racial identifications in the future, as “the real America” becomes an ever-smaller portion of, well, the real America, and as the soon-to-be white minority’s sense of being besieged….” -Hua Hsu-
    Vlad, I do believe that Mr. Hsu is playing one of your very favorite songs.
    Buckle up, CF’ers.
    It’s going to be a long, rough ride.

  493. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    “It took me over a year posting to CFN to realize” his *multitudes*! DID? MPD? I believe he just “meow”‘d his alter-sock-puppet welles, right there above yours…

  494. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    What to say, really. Romney pumpin’, they’ll (the MSM) mantra-repeat his name to the ultra extreme, to insure the MINDLESS actually vote for him (and that’s how it *WORKS* – and it really works).
    Oh, *6-fig-salaried-stalkas*? Yeah, mostly pentagon *acronym* boys, and the local *badges* (we don’t need no stinkin’ badges – says Zimmer)…

  495. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Oh, yeah, and FWIW, Dylan Ratigan today whuz crackin’ me *HARDCORE*, during that “NEW YORK WINS” interview…

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  496. Crazy Horse April 11, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    James:
    Every once and a while I look at your Eyesore of the Month postings in the hope of seeing something worse than I encounter every day. But no– every new building designed by a contemporary architect who crawled out of the pit where such creatures are birthed looks like a visual abortion.
    As a friend once said while we were driving past a 16th century village in the Black Forest: You know, the great thing about the USA is that you could drop an atomic bomb on most cities and destroy nothing of artistic value.

  497. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    OMG! Best *TWEET* of the day:
    “RT@KimberlyArtist: So it’s not REALLY of the people,///it’s of the $ of 200 ppl and the candidates of 10 percent of the ppl”

  498. Buck Stud April 11, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    And what is Balkan’s second mistake?
    I’m pretty sure Balkan knows quite a bit more about the art/craft/fine-home dynamic that you do. Furthermore, what in Balkan’s post was a Randian economic endorsement?
    If it’s that the creators and innovators deserve a better seat at the economic table than the vampire middle man in quest of a commission then I bow down to Rand on this count.
    To my eyes, your post was fashionably anti-Rand

  499. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    Every once and a while…
    =============
    Crazy, the expression is “Every once in a while…”

  500. Vlad Kramps April 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    Then my work here, gentlemen, is done.

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  501. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    “a new sign was put up which read NO STANDING, APRIL 1 – SEPT 30”
    Cars don’t “STAND” on 2 wheels – they sit/rest on all 4. Well, they rarely do – I’ve seen a few of those old ’67-’71 challengers/chargers pull wheelies for a half block or so…
    “As we used to say in the Air Force: “Close enough for government work.””
    Wrong, sir – *WRONG*. It has always been, “Good enough for Govt work.” I heard this from the senile employees (most with 20+ years under their belts) at the Naval Research Academy in the late 80’s, every hour or so, for weeks on end (dead wood/weight)…
    Maybe you’re thinking of, “Close enough for Corp work?”

  502. welles April 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    you are so misinformed. there is no reason to leave the US if you owe taxes. it is not illegal to owe taxes.
    it is somewhat illegal not to file your return.
    btw the irs commonly accepts 10c on the dollar or less, depends on various factors.
    peace peaceniks

  503. Ixnei April 11, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Haha! That’s, “Right as *RAINED*!”

  504. IxNoMor April 11, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    OOPS! (So if’n yous’a gunna reply to yerself)…

  505. IxNoMor April 11, 2012 at 9:11 pm #

    “I can’t imagine what a thing like this must cost.”
    I can’t imagine they even managed to capture 5% of the runoff. Maybe they got lucky, and torched a good 30% or so, by *BURNING* it “in-place”…

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  506. IxNoMor April 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    I know – I’ll get on subject now, and *regurgitate*.
    It cost me $3,200 per year at U of I (U/C) in the late 80’s, being an in-state student in the field of engineering.
    Today, ~20 years later, it costs $20,000+ per year for the SAME EXACT IN-STATE STUDENT IN ENGINEERING. And I can’t imagine them getting an efficiency apartment for $200/month, like I had. Not to mention the 4x-5x food costs.
    7x education costs in 20 years? That’s a bit more than the advertized *INFLATION RATE*. That’s more in-line with the HEALTH INSURANCE SCAM.

  507. Vlad Krandz April 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    The Police fail Whites – again. Perhaps the Hell’s Angels or Aryan Brotherhood can help? Hint to Prog: this is how and WHY the KKK came to be.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/police_to_white_victim_we_dont_mess_with_black_gang.html#ixzz1rgyaqnsn
    In the Reconstruction South, there was no help for Southern Whites at either the State or the Federal level. The same conditions are now in existence.

  508. mika. April 11, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    If you are guilty, you run.
    ==
    Or if you have zero confidence in the “justice” system. Guilty or not, if it was me I would not stick around. Of-course, if I was an American, I would’ve long before renounced US citizenship.

  509. sevenmmm April 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    It won’t be paid back anyway…

  510. welles April 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Colombia is very much a beautiful land with wonderful people. stop there all the time during layovers flying to the US and back.
    avianca airlines is very good.
    i would highly recommend Colombia to americans. Colombians know how to live . You as americans don’t know what you’re losing because you live in an unhealthy US matrix.
    The blind only see the darkness.
    peace peaceniks

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  511. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    I wonder if asoka is one or more of the commentators – perhaps the most hateful of them.
    ==========
    All your commentators are belong to me. Maybe I am all of the commentators, including the invention of P2C.
    About your “hateful” comment: yawn.
    You got all upset when I said I would pray for your wife’s health. Your attitude has been one of rejection of even kind and human gestures.
    Just remember P2C:
    There is no limit to the number of people one can love.

  512. rippedthunder April 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    Hey Welles, I’m thinkin’ of blowin’ this gararge soon. What’s it like in SA. Expats and all. I am afraid to make the big move. Are gringos welcome?I don’t know spanish or portugese? I’ve got dough so maybe I will be welcome. I don’t want to be kidnapped. I guess I am just paranoid!Any thoughts would be appreciated.

  513. progress2conserve April 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    Asoka., you have inspired more hate on this CFN blog than seems humanly possible. You glory in self-righteousness and preening pseudo-Buddhist bigotry. When this is pointed out to you, your response is to say,
    “About your “hateful” comment: yawn.”
    MONTHS after the fact, you continue to pretend that you, an avowed Atheist, praying your fake Muslim prayers OVER MY EXPRESSED OBJECTIONS – for my Christian wife, was a “kind,” “humanE?,” gesture.
    It’s way past time to let that drop.

  514. k-dog April 11, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    I’ve had a dislike of Rand long before it was fashionable, her elitism has always disgusted me. Now days it disgusts me more than ever as I learn how irrational the human mind truly is. You manifested Objectivist style by assuming there was a second mistake when actually I never said there was by the way.
    I’m pretty sure Balkan knows quite a bit more about the art/craft/fine-home dynamic that I do. You could be right about that. Then again there is no evidence to make such a conclusion either way. Maybe Balkan knows more than I do maybe not, there is no evidence to go on.
    If I could take back my one liner anti Rand comment I would. My dislike of Ayn set me off. Balkan’s post and yours before it were both good I should have left it alone. I apologize if offense was taken.
    I will take issue with your last post. My dislike of Rand is not fashionable, it is quite genuine. Rational self interest is a flawed idea.

  515. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    Ix,
    When I read the story of the unjust ticket and towing charge I too wondered why the sign said NO STANDING as opposed to NO PARKING. If you look up the word “stand” in a big thick dictionary you will be impressed with the number and shadings of meaning. My huge Random House Dictionary goes on for several columns in very fine print. I think the NYC signage people intend a meaning that includes but is more comprehensive than Parking such as not even pulling to the curb and stopping briefly with your engine running. Definition #44 in my Dictionary says: a cessation of motion; halt or stop. If you find this explanation unsatisfactory call Mayor Bloomberg.
    Regarding Good vs Close enough for government work, do a Google search and you will see both versions as synonymous. In the Air Force I was an Accounting and Finance Officer at Duluth AF Base in the early ’60s. There simply was no such thing as any account being left out-of-balance even by a penny. When, for example, a cashier (in the cashier’s cage) was being relieved at lunchtime the cash and all receipts were counted. It all had to add up to the starting amount of $5,000. Sometimes it would be off a little and we would go nuts searching for the error. It was at these times we would say jokingly, “a buck thirty seven? Fuck it, close enough for government work.” More often than not a transposition of numbers was the culprit. Dyslexic people should avoid accounting as a vocation.

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  516. xhalor April 11, 2012 at 10:38 pm #

    I don’t know Ayn personally so I can’t say that I “dislike” her. And I worked in broadcasting long enough to know that the person you see in front of the camera is rarely an accurate representation. But, I think we can all agree on one thing about Ayn. What a suck-ass writer.

  517. Kyooshtik April 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Are gringos welcome?I don’t know spanish or portugese?… I guess I am just paranoid!Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    =============
    Don’t do it Ripped. South Americans notoriously hate people who end one sentence and leave no space before beginning a new sentence. I thought this was common knowledge.
    ;o)

  518. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Asoka., you have inspired more hate on this CFN blog than seems humanly possible.
    I am amazing, but I cannot take credit for the hate that comes from within you.
    Take responsibility for your own feelings.
    Nobody can make you hate. To love or hate is your choice.
    There is no limit to the number of people you can love.

  519. Laura Louzader April 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    The Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 makes all college debt, including that issued by private lenders and purchased by Sallie Mae (almost all of it), non-dischargeable.
    Previously, only federal college loans were non-dischargeable.
    When this law was passed, lenders went completely insane making college loans for trade schools and for-profit diploma mills. Tuition started ratcheting up to even more insane levels. Private colleges now cost $34K to $44K in tuition alone, before books, room & board, use fees and other expenses.
    When you enroll in any college or university now, even if you pay upfront and declare your intention of remaining debt free, a line of credit is automatically opened for you. It is a rare 18-year-old who can resist this causeless, seemingly “free” money.
    I don’t even want to imagine what would transpire if government-guaranteed mortgages or those purchased by the GSEs like Fannie and Freddie were made non-dischargeable. We’d blow up another bubble in a year that would double property ‘values’ over twice the 2006 peak. The rampant delinquency/default rates on FHA loans prove that neither the HUD nor the home-buying public has learned anything from the past 10 years.
    I’d feel much better about our prospects of surviving the post-peak era with any degree of civilization if I saw any evidence that Americans, either our leaders or the public, had learned anything at all from the debt debacle. But it looks like we can’t even learn the hard way.

  520. Buck Stud April 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    Fair enough K-Dog; but I’m the last person you need to apologize to. I’m not a Rand fan myself, and not to speak for Balkan, but I immediately recognized the realtor scenario and lament.
    As an aside, I just finished up a project for some folks with some very serious money. They want to do some more work but have a budget in mind that is set in stone for no reason that I can fathom other than that’s just what they decided. I assume this because they just rented a house in California for the month that cost them 12 grand(the designer whispered this to me)and they frequently fly to Europe just to buy very expensive bottles of wine.
    They live on a very remote mountaintop near Beaver Creek, Colorado and their front yard is graced by aspen trees that look to stretch at least 75 feet up in the air. Wildlife abounds and a morning walk means donning the snowshoes during the winter. Their drive-way is heated during the winter because who wants to waste time shoveling snow when fresh Colorado white-gold powder is beckoning from a world class ski slope just a stone’s throw away.
    Aye, it must be good to be The King.

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  521. asoka. April 11, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    ZIMMERMAN KILLED AN UNARMED BLACK MAN
    The black man’s cell phone records were not immediately checked. Investigators did not talk with key witnesses for more than a week.
    While police conducted a criminal background check on the black man, as well as post-mortem drug and alcohol tests, Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests.
    It was learned later that Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for assaulting a police officer.

  522. Shakazulu April 11, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    “The blind only see the darkness.” And the enlightened only see the sun.
    In your world Welles, we would all live in harmony and have plenty for everyone. But the sad truth is that the Ruling Elite don’t live in your world. They have their own plans for mankind. It involves strict controls on a much-lowered population. It’s not about what mankind can or cannot do. It’s about–does mankind have the power to overthrow the raving psychotics who are running this asylum? I say no. That’s why the Brazilian auto plants will be silent once the radioactive missiles start to fly.
    Your great advantage is that you live in a culture that relies on self-sufficiency to survive and you might not even go hungry when Americans are dying of starvation.

  523. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm #

    ‘Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests.’
    He displayed no signs of intoxication.
    TM was a druggie.
    And quite a writer:
    “dick slipping out when you got her in doggy? Either u trying to long stroke wit a short dick or she need to arch that back” – Treyvon Martin. My, what a nice young man!
    TM, suspended from high school THREE TIMES IN FIVE MONTHS for vandalism; drugs -and another suspension- the reason for which the Martin family is hiding from us?
    Miami Dade doesn’t suspend kids for tardiness or truancy
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/08/2738118_p2/what-trayvon-martins-social-media.html#storylink=cpy

  524. anti soak April 11, 2012 at 11:58 pm #

    AYN

  525. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Its like those at Atlantic who bemoan Trayvons killing, push multi-cult yet live where its all white, gated etc.
    What such nitwits dont notice is we are not bringing in many Japanese and Australians.
    We are bringing the 3rd world in, by the 10s of millions.
    And when you bring that many in, we can only be
    remade into a third world place.
    Ill check yr link, thanks.

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  526. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    My, what a nice young man!
    ==================
    So some cracker hacked his social media account and wrote lies. (you a puritan, anti-soak?)
    “The persona you have online is not necessarily the same as the persona you have offline,” Lidsky said.
    “It’s an artificial reality… It’s almost like make-believe.”
    Thanks for the link, anti-soak. Zimmerman goin’ down.
    Thank God for Al Sharpton’s activism in not letting this go away quietly like the cases of so many black men who are murdered with impunity.

  527. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:10 am #

    Found this bit of truth in the article..
    if ya wanna see funny go to TAKIMAG and see the comments [4000] on Derbys article ‘the talk’.
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  528. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:14 am #

    And This:
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    Since Hua Hsu makes his living off of ghetto “culture” he needs to re-tool and learn Spanglish and some narcocorridos if he wants to stay employable because Univisión has already surpassed BET and Méjicanos are displacing the African-Americans, sometimes by ethnic cleansing, from their “hoods”.
    And the bottom 99% of African Americans are furious about illegal aliens taking their jobs, but nobody wants to hear their non-PC cries at Vassar.’

  529. Pucker April 12, 2012 at 12:15 am #

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    Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

  530. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Gawd yr an evil troll.
    ‘Cracker’, ‘Puritan’.

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  531. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    ‘Thanks for the link, anti-soak.’
    Any time, you grime.
    What about his [taken from some famous rappers]
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    All the kool rappers he liked were ones who extol VIOLENCE, which presumably encouraged him to attack the brown skinned guy.

  532. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:22 am #

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  533. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    You are funny, anti-soak, but out of place.
    A misfit in Santa Monica.

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    Indeed, indeed. Books are 50 to 200$ each.

  535. shecky April 12, 2012 at 12:26 am #

    A line from Shakespere pops into my head: “Never a borrower or a lender be.”
    Kee-rist. Go now and never presume to correct anyone here again.
    The line, from Shakespeare:
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    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
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  536. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    Yes, by ‘dislike’ I refer to her philosophy which was foisted upon the world. Her philosophy is truly sociopathic. When I read her books or more correctly tried to read her books many years ago a set of clips to pin my eyes open Clockwork Orange style would have come in handy.

  537. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    HERE, MY DEAR. FROM UNAMUSED:
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  538. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    You are never funny and sadly out of place on this site.

  539. Kyooshtik April 12, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    Kee-rist. Go now and never presume to correct anyone here again.
    ==========
    Oops, brain fart… but close enough for government work.

  540. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    “Their drive-way is heated during the winter because who wants to waste time shoveling snow.”
    Obscene, truly obscene. A coal fired driveway. The sense of entitlement of the rich is amazing. I finished ‘Too Smart For Our Own Good Today’ and when I did I walked down to my mailbox. A new book arrived right on time. ‘The Spirit Level’ Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger I’m sure globally warmed driveways will not be among the recommendations.
    As a kid I knew about electric blankets and suggested to my dad that electric wires be put into freeways to keep them clear of snow. He snorted and gruffly remarked that was a stupid idea because because we could never generate enough electricity to melt all the snow and if we could it would cost to much. I’ve reflected on the idea occasionally over the years and suspect his quick answer was because he had thought of the idea himself and dismissed it as ridiculous.

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  541. xhalor April 12, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    Foisted, indeed. Two of her wretched scribblings were compulsory reading when I was in high school. I remember telling the teacher of a literature class that I didn’t understand how these books qualified. It was like reading antique comic books. She began appearing in public and showing up on TV more and more at that time. I was just a teenager but found it curious that people were paying attention to this person. Just bizarre, second rate writing I thought. I think about that now and really do wonder what it was really about.

  542. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    “I think about that now and really do wonder what it was really about.”
    Simple answer really. She advocated unrestrained laissez-faire capitalism, the holy grail of contemporary economic thinking. Alan Greenspan used to hang out with her. Her writing supports the existing power structure. She was a corporate sociopaths wet dream.

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    Man is nature, but he scrubs himself, and by doing so makes himself look worse.
    If there is a thing called ‘resilience’, the unwashed bum has it. Perhaps global warming will create the service economy he’s been waiting for. He’ll charge you a cigarette butt to join the circle at his tin stove. He won’t recognise your offer of a turnip but he won’t turn it down. As each day passes, you look worse and worse- but the bum looks the same. He laughs at you, at us all.

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  546. Bustin J April 12, 2012 at 2:17 am #

    Asoka said “While police conducted a criminal background check on the black man, as well as post-mortem drug and alcohol tests, Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests.”
    Perhaps Zimmerman didn’t present any evidence that he was ‘under the influence’. It doesn’t matter now. There is no way to know whether Zimmerman was under the influence. Even if the test was administered based on suspicion that he was under the influence, it wouldn’t be clear if it were a factor. Evidently none of the cops thought it was. There is an absence of evidence that he was intoxicated. For Trayvon, the tests established evidence of absence. If anything it is harder now for Zimmerman to make any case that Trayvon was under the influence.
    The problem with drug testing is that can not implicate a person in a particular crime. All it can do is show that, at some time in the past, there were X and Y chemical in his body, which does not prove culpability.

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    Even though I am hyper-sensitive to revealing personal shit online; I will say that I am familiar with the Sanford, FL area and most of Volusia County. That this shit is happening in that pocket of white-trashy humanity surprises me not one lil’ bit. Y’all be sure and visit BORE lando.

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    Pretty amazing; if I want to read pulp crap, I’ll choose my own, thanks much…
    Do you think the lit. teacher was trying to awaken some kind of social awareness, or thought it to be a philosophical masterwork?
    Rand was a purveyor of a banal evil. Perhaps all that exposure at the time was purposefully designed to get us all “accustomed” to these despicable predators being in our midst.
    Here’s a perspective on Unca Friedman’s (The Chicago School) muse:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2009/11/how_ayn_rand_became_an_american_icon.html

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  566. ozone April 12, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    On wandering away from home:
    I dunno how you like living with bars on doors and windows, and concrete walls topped with busted bottles, but I don’t care for it. If you should have any stuff of value, it will be a target for theft. If ya got nuthin’ and you’re cool with a bit of pilfering, go on ahead. (Just keep in mind it’s endemic and pretty much expected.)
    Establishing a new social circle takes trust, time and effort; and a social circle that doesn’t include local “regular folks” (rather than just the oligarchs) is worth nothing. Those are the folks who will support each other and know how to work together, the rich and powerful are constantly and feverishly engaged in retaining their status through any means necessary. Plus, if you’re hanging with only ex-pats, you know you’ve obviously failed to integrate, which can lead to a lot of bitterness and unjustified spite towards the locals. Believe me, I’ve seen it firsthand.

  567. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    That was a great article.
    Now isn’t that what I was saying, disgusting elitism.
    As an adult my objections to her are now more solid than when I was young but I recall my initial reaction to her superior intellectual supermen class of rulers. I knew then that to be truly great, humility and compassion must be combined with superior talent.
    I found this paragraph explains her popularity rather well, she resonates with contemporary mores.

    She said the United States should be a “democracy of superiors only,” with superiority defined by being rich. Well, we got it. As the health care crisis has shown, today, the rich have the real power: The vote that matters is expressed with a checkbook and a lobbyist. We get to vote only for the candidates they have pre-funded and receive the legislation they have preapproved. It’s useful—if daunting—to know that there is a substantial slice of the American public who believe this is not a problem to be put right, but morally admirable.

    Currently quObama pushes for a higher tax for the richest Americans. In the good-cop bad-cop game of politics with an election approaching, he pretends to be our friend. And why not. The approach worked for him before when he promised change we can believe in.
    QuoBama is the poster child of the pre-funded and pre-approved. His ruse will probably work for him. Most people won’t be wanting Romney the Romulan and wishful thinking has made the public attention span as short as a chimps.
    Unless!!!! K-dog becomes top dog.

  568. Widespreadpanic7 April 12, 2012 at 10:54 am #

    OzP, so Tuckers is gone, too? Only stopped there a few times (on your recommendation). Seemed like a cool place. That’s not a good thing for Roosterville or surrounding environs. There isn’t much else in Roosterville to pick up the slack!
    What do you all make of this Natural Gas glut and the extremely low price natural gas now commands. Its a big topic on CNBC and also in the Journal and IBD. T Boone Pickens is on TV all the time touting natural gas as a putative replacement for oil and recommends everything from large trucks to home heating be switched over immediately. Could JHK have been wrong about natural gas nearing depletion in the US, as he claimed in TLE? Or is it just another bubble? (no pun intended)
    –WSP7

  569. welles April 12, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    That’s why the Brazilian auto plants will be silent once the radioactive missiles start to fly
    this post is so filled with hyperbole.
    ‘americans dying of starvation’
    the Elite will institute ‘a much-lowered population’.
    plus the ‘radioactive missiles flying’
    Where do you see massive population die-off happening?
    When, in the 60 years of atomic weapons, have radioactive missiles been flying around?
    When has the slightest hint of famine ever struck the U.S.?
    It is just sick how negative you people are, I could should you a yellow-brick road made of gold and you’d only see the one little pebble on it – and claim it’s a Sisyphean boulder.
    You’re all about the dire, yet everywhere there’s abundance.
    Your predictions are as accurate as the Mayan calendar ‘predicting’ the end of the world in December of this year.
    Would you like to make a bet on that one?
    peace peaceniks

  570. Widespreadpanic7 April 12, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Hey Welles, I have Columbian friends here who couldn’t wait to get the hell out of that place. They don’t even go back to visit, claiming too much violence and corruption. Quite the opposite of what you are saying.
    –WSP7

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  571. apingos April 12, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    what do you mean the world isn’t going to end this coming December?

  572. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    JHK has said the price would be highly volatile. The momentum of fracking leads to gluts followed by shortages as production lags market demands. Fracking is complicated and this complexity makes it hard to sync production with demand. Perhaps it is nothing more than lowered demand due to the dawn of springtime weather and therefore less home heating.
    To answer the question well I would need to listen to this podcast again, it has been a while.
    KunstlerCast #192: Arthur E. Berman, Petroleum Geologist
    I recall an insightful comment on the subject in there somewhere.

  573. balkan April 12, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    K,
    Reading Ayn does not make me her promoter same as the “Capital” on my book shelve does not make me a Marxist.
    You missed me quoting her favorite phrase “For my own selfish reasons”- the way that I cherry picked passages that I can relate to.
    If not familiar with the instance in her book that I pointed to it goes like this:
    Beaten down talented sculptor was absolutely shocked that famous architect came to his door and outright offered him a commission. He went into drunken rage, something like this:
    “Let me tell you HOW you hire an artist. First you promise him a job, than you do not return his calls for months. After finally agreeing on appointment you make him wait for an hour…and-on-and-on”. He still got the job.
    Her black and white characterization of her subjects tend to be little cartoonish. World would have been interesting place if her Demi-God like, highly ethical “movers” are real, but they are in stark contrast with the Shorpy B&W images (Courtesy of TEA blog site) documenting how “old money” was made. Even today we know, sadly, that already great profits can be even higher by paying some overworked souls 17.85 cents per hour instead of 18.
    As for your later comments, particular knowledge in some field it is irrelevant to compare time and energy spent, that of a realtor and the people involved in creating “her” or “his” product for sale.

  574. ozone April 12, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Yes, ’twas a cool place, what with the multiple horseshoe pits and all. Well, it still EXISTS, but ownership obviously needs to be wrested from those that now hold it. Can you imagine “renting” a bar? That just doesn’t make economic sense, what with all the other stacks of expenses.
    I SUSPECT that T. Boone (et al.) are attempting to blow the next bubble (read: giant swindle) and gather in the rubes for another fleecing. But, I’m not an insider, so I wouldn’t make book on it.
    Ask Kyoo (although I’m not sure he’d give you the straight dope if there were $ in it for him. ;o)
    BTW, the last of that screeching screed wasn’t directed at you, personally, but the collective “you” of the blinkered cornucopians. Sorry for jumping the border of focused ranting there! (You work at a ‘paper for cris’sakeS, so I know you’re better informed than most Idol worshipers.)

  575. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    this post is so filled with hyperbole.
    ‘americans dying of starvation’
    In 2010, 48.8 million Americans lived in food insecure households, 32.6 million adults and 16.2 million children.
    ‘Where do you see massive population die-off happening?’
    In all industrialized countries. As soon as petroleum supplies fail modern agriculture which is totally dependent upon fossil fuel for its operation also fails.
    ‘When, in the 60 years of atomic weapons, have radioactive missiles been flying around?’
    They are flying around on military aircraft all the time. All that is needed is a crisis and somebody to push the button.
    ‘When has the slightest hint of famine ever struck the U.S.?’
    The great depression.
    ‘It is just sick how negative you people are, I could should you a yellow-brick road made of gold and you’d only see the one little pebble on it – and claim it’s a Sisyphean boulder.’So you say.
    You’re all about the dire, yet everywhere there’s abundance.
    Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens.
    Your predictions are as accurate as the Mayan calendar ‘predicting’ the end of the world in December of this year.
    While I think concentration on the Mayan calendar is meaningless bunk, the year isn’t over is it.
    Would you like to make a bet on that one?No because if I win you wouldn’t be around to give me the money. And if the Mayan calendar is right the money would not be worth anything. If I loose I would have to pay you. Only a fool would make this bet.

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  576. Buck Stud April 12, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    ” A question: How is the name Prechous pronounced? Precious? Preck-oose? Where DO they get these names?!”
    You hypocrite Q…you didn’t complain when your mama named you “Precocious” !

  577. Rhino April 12, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    “No too smart.” -ASSoka in reference to white people
    If you think that whites are any worse than other races in their collective behavior then I would suggest that you’re the one who’s …um… “no too smart”.
    You have no apparent knowledge or appreciation of history, historical context, the intertwining of blind luck, circumstance, culture and technological progress with civilizational advance and collapse of not only white people but others also.
    Remember how in response to your racist hate mongering I asked you to fuck off and go away? I repeat the request: do us a favor and fuck off and go away. In my estimation you have nothing useful to add to public discourse.
    Oh wait, one last thing: you STILL haven’t got back to us on a question I asked you a long time ago. Is the Jewish “reconquista” of Palestine (like the hispanic reconquista of the American southwest) “simple justice”? Is it “karma” that Palestinians have to suffer in refugee camps? So give us one last laugh.
    Then fuck off and go away.

  578. Widespreadpanic7 April 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    Ripthunder, hows that retirement going, so far?
    I never saw your place up there off US10 (same road I’m on), but I’m sure its pretty nice. You’d be crazy to leave that Pioneer Valley, which is one of the coolest places on earth, for some unknown 3rd world craphole. Politics aside, The Pioneer Valley west to the Housatonic River Valley … its unmatchable anywhere.
    –WSP7

  579. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    Balkan, I’m sorry.
    I saw Ayn Rand mentioned yesterday and I was in a pithy mood and hit the submit button before I properly reflected upon my decision.
    I totally apologize for any offense my one line comment caused. Your post was actually good as I stated in responding to Buck yesterday. I’ll tell you now that it was very good. Concerning realtor commissions I agree with both you and Buck, we are actually all on the same page. My profession also suffers from exploitation and I also have compassion for overworked should who are not paid fairly.
    We should be cool.
    So what’s wrong with being a Marxist? You said ‘Marxist’ as if it were a bad thing. Marx died in 1883 and is not responsible for the abuses done by those who misrepresented his ideas in the twentieth century. I think his intellectual contributions continue to be relevant though I’m concentrating more on Michael Bakunin currently.
    I also have a che T-shirt and I even know who he was.

  580. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    I also have compassion for the overworked should who are not paid fairly.

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  581. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    ‘should’ in the last comment should have had a strike-through but the tag is apparently not supported.

  582. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    should This is a test of the ‘del’ tag, nothing more.

  583. kas April 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    Regarding college loans. I got my degree in Fine Arts/ Theater. In order to make a living I spent another 18 months getting certified in Elementary Education and later earned a Masters degree in Education/Counseling. I became a Licensed Professional Counselor and worked with children and parents in inner city schools for 20 years. Later I found it necessary to take Community College classes in investing and computer literacy. My point is being literate in World History, American, Latin American & Western Art and Literature,a well as speaking a foreign language etc. has been very advantageous in my work and personal life and most especially so when standing in the voting booth. I have never regretted receiving the background in fine arts . And I realize that my path is not for everyone. If one is hungry a French Language book is not what is needed at the moment. But if the basic needs are being met then the purpose of a University is to produce a dynamic, well rounded individual who values life long learning. It’s not the University we need to dismantle, but the student loan process. Thank you

  584. ozone April 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    “QuoBama is the poster child of the pre-funded and pre-approved. His ruse will probably work for him. Most people won’t be wanting Romney the Romulan and wishful thinking has made the public attention span as short as a chimps.
    Unless!!!! K-dog becomes top dog.” -K of the Dawg
    I entirely concur!
    Why people keep falling for these “non-choices” and have the nerve to call it anything like a representative democracy is well beyond my pay-grade. As you indicate, we damn well know who’s representatives they actually are. Too bad so few bother to internalize this and really get cranked about it. Propaganda, HFCS, pharmaceutical mood-enhancers, creature comforts and entertainment have worked their magic, I guess.
    It was disgusting for our dear leader to be lying about a millionaires tax that he’ll never have to codify. Fucking lying whores, most of ’em.
    (“Mittens the Romulan”. A perfect reflection of both his faces! Also a fine example of a Rand-ian acolyte.)

  585. ozone April 12, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    Somebody should ask Hello Mitty what he thinks of the “works” of Ayn Rand. I’d pay as much as a nickel for an honest reply. (Although I’m not sure how much of a reader that empty suit might be. It wouldn’t help his chances with his constituents if it got out that he was “one o’ them reeeeaders” either.)
    Has he read the Golden Dinnerware as well as GeeDubya’s weighty tome?

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  587. welles April 12, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    exactly, NO starvation in the U.S. even though people are poor. as usual, you hyperbolize poverty to mean people literally dying for lack of food.
    no one dies in the U.S., food banks are freely accessible.
    re missiles flying around, YOUR original post meant missiles being LAUNCHED (reREAD your own post)
    My post: You’re all about the dire, yet everywhere there’s abundance.
    Your reply: Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens.
    Re population die off since Ag is fossil-fuel dependent: As soon as petroleum supplies fail
    haha, good luck waiting for this. people can grow TONS of food locally without petroAg – look at the entire WORLD, e.g. Russia, South America…everywhere people grow food on a local basis and easily SURVIVE. and these people are typically thinner and healthier.
    Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens
    haha, just the same prophet of doom, so you agree we have massive abundance (the yellow-brick road) yet claim it’s a negative (there’s your boulder in the road you see), on the basis of your imagined ‘we’ve hit peak resource extraction’ scenario.
    how do you know there’s ‘peak’ resource extraction?
    name one resource that’s ever been exhausted. (i know of only one insignificant one).
    re famine in the U.S. during the 1930’s, yes there was some very limited famine, scarcely enough to warrant mad max extrapolation. you might point to the denuding of the land/overfarming etc. back then and claim that we reached ‘peak’ farming in 1932.
    yet food production has skyrocketed since then. how’s that for collapse?
    get positive, you are drowning in negativity and it just stifles your natural resourcefulness and creativity.
    full disclosure: 21 sunflowers coming up nicely, adding beauty and cleansing the atmosphere and soil.
    10 more gladiolus and acidanthera growing in the warm soil as well.
    peace peaceniks

  588. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    WSP7, it is Colombian, not Columbian. The country name is Colombia. There is no u in Colombia.
    Based on your Colombian friends wanting to leave you conclude Colombia is a terrible place? What part of Colombia are they from? There are some barrios in Colombia that have problems, but most countries have similar kinds of places.
    You really should make a trip to Colombia and judge for yourself. Tourism is booming in Colombia.

  589. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    “Why people keep falling for these “non-choices” and have the nerve to call it anything like a representative democracy is well beyond my pay-grade.”
    Your pay grade is high enough to understand but you like me are dumbstruck by the inability of others to see the reality of the situation. The answer is that the social cognitive system by which we choose leaders is insufficient to cope with reality.
    Red and Blue are the only two colors used to identify political affiliation in America and consequently people are stuck with the belief that they can only make a binary choice between a democrat or a republican. One actually votes for the party voter thinks otherwise.
    Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a revolution in thinking and teach them how they have been punked.
    If you think my Red/Blue explanation is over-simplistic and a bit crazy you did not read the linked article. People always believe they are making a choice when in fact society has foisted a cognitive system upon them that they are unaware of and which eliminates freedom. When we use any cognitive system we believe we are making free choices but in fact our choices are unconsciously bound by the rules of the cognitive system.
    Thinking ‘outside the box’ is choosing to use an alternative cognitive system to see if better alternate results can be found.

  590. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Rhino, I really enjoy your posts. You are the reason I keep coming back.
    Well, you, and the DOW not being at 4,000, gas not being at $10.00, TS not hitting TF.
    If those things happen, I’ll admit I was wrong and go away. Meanwhile, it is fun to read the predictions of doom week after week.
    Where is the 400% inflation we should have from printing so much money? What happened to the imminent collapse of the Euro that was so in vogue in November of last year? Etc. etc.
    Welles is doing a good job of calling out all you pessimists, cynics, and naysayers. After seven years here I was tired of doing it and decided to just join in the insult fest, which you, Rhino, stupidly joined in, confirming to me that the clusterfuck is all about put downs and name calling and racism. Have at it, hoss.

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  591. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS HAVE NEGLIGENT IMPACT
    Documented workers at firms that also employ undocumented workers earn 0.15 percent less — or $56 less per year on average — than they would if they worked at a firm that does not employ undocumented workers, according to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.
    In fact, workers in retail and leisure and hospitality actually earn slightly more money when their firms hire undocumented workers, since having more employees allows them to specialize, according the paper.
    Some anti-immigration activists argue that ridding the country of undocumented workers would help to solve the nation’s unemployment problem. There are currently 11.5 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.: a number that has stayed roughly stable over the past year, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
    But the millions of undocumented immigrants aren’t the reason the unemployment rate still remains elevated and many job-seekers can’t find work, Julie Hotchkiss, an economist at the Atlanta Fed that co-authored the paper, said in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
    “There have been claims by various proponents of state legislation and immigration reform that if we institute these laws that would just get rid of all of our undocumented workers, that our unemployment problem would go away, that the unemployment rate would just plummet,” Hotchkiss told the Richmond Times-Dispatch in a video interview on Wednesday. “What we’re finding is there seems to be no direct displacement effect of documented workers when firms hire undocumented workers.”

  592. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Dude, you should scroll up and see who the original poster was. It was not me but Shakazulu. Therefore I’m not going to get nitpicky with you concerning the original post. You can argue with her.
    I only responded to your display of ignorance which anyone here can do. Since you have shown even more I’ll respond to that.
    Food banks have serious supply problems. People don’t contribute to them like they use too and they are not ‘everywhere’. When one doesn’t have dinero to buy food ‘everywhere’ can be impossible to get to because you don’t have dinero for transportation. Beyond this I’ll ignore your lack of compassion.
    “haha, good luck waiting for this. people can grow TONS of food locally without petroAg – look at the entire WORLD, e.g. Russia, South America…everywhere people grow food on a local basis and easily SURVIVE. and these people are typically thinner and healthier.”
    You are so wrong about this: The ‘green revolution’ has caused massive population growth throughout the world. So much population growth has happened that without fossil fuel inputs crop yields would now fall to levels insufficient to feed current population if suddenly removed.
    Using fossil fuel inputs results in abnormal crop yields and when fossil fuels fail it takes three years typically to restore normal crop yields which then will only be 50% of the fossil fuel yield. The reason for this is that soil has been sterilized by artificial fertilizers and biocides. It is a mathematical issue subject to physical laws and not a matter of opinion. We no longer have enough land to feed everybody without fossil fuels.
    We loose farmland to salinization and development every year. Currently there is an increase in Indian farmer suicides because the ‘Green Revolution’ is failing. Worldwide crop yields overall are falling and for several years now global malnutrition has been on the increase. Artificial Fertilizer insecticides and herbicide use is now global and all of them are produced from fossil fuels.
    Growing ‘tons and tons’ of food won’t be enough when twice as much is actually needed. Only the use of fossil fuels provides a sufficient surplus to feed the world at current population levels.
    Your last post shows that you have not bothered to understand what is meant by peak resource depletion which does not mean running out of resources completely at the ‘peak’ as you have indicated.

  593. Bustin J April 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    8-ball said “You worship Nature as a Religion: The beauty of the world is exactly in all the little random details, if Man Made, even better, the contrast with “Nature” is even more remarkable, as if Man is really some kind of Alien, something truly outside of the World, as if he is “Outside Looking In”.
    Worship is too small and trite a word to describe my appreciation for Nature, which is much larger than religion. It comes down to a question of value. It may be more difficult to appreciate the three gorges before a dam was built in its place. Nevertheless, the three gorges where tri-glorious. Of course, now that it is destroyed we are invited to regard the dam as glorious. To help us out the government spends million on television programmes of children choreographed and costumed, singing songs about how glorious it is. Once everyone is certain what the new consensus is, anyone who thinks the dam isn’t glorious is a heretic. Man-made things are symbolic. The three gorges were three gorges, and perhaps there was some subtle poetics invented to symbolize some fleeting human emotion throughout the thousands of years of human cohabitation. But now there is a Symbol in its place, and its meaning is no longer ineffable. It will produce no new poetry because it cannot be re-interpreted.
    The rusting Cadillac is pretty because of the weeds and rust transforming it from a straightforward and unambiguous Symbol into something else, something more subtle and suggestive and evocative. It once again becomes a source of beauty and art.
    New cars are marketed as symbols of beauty, but it is a cultish beauty. You are invited to experience its beauty as a singular, flawless object. It is a transitory belief-experience that a person has bought into. As long as they believe in the beauty of the car, it remains beautiful, and when that belief is no longer tenable, it becomes takcy, if not downright ugly. To the bystander, someone who has not bought into the belief, the car is experienced through the exterior. Modern car designs are designed to appear aggressive, impersonal, intimidating, daunting from the outside. Inside, it is vaginal, all soft seduction of creature comforts. Driving down the road, for the driver, is a transcendent, orgiastic experience. To the bystander, it is a threatening, offensive, and blinding. What is this object besides the desire for a will to power?
    The evolution of a car’s beauty is a devolution all the way to the weed-field. A new car is washed and waxed regularly to maintain its beauty, until it becomes dented, or unfashionable, or expensive, and then sold to someone who is lower on the social consumer-aesthetic ladder. This individual puts lipstick on the pig in the form of bumper stickers, dangling symbols from the rear view, and fragrant smudging of the interior with burnt offerings. Finally its economic value is reduced to its mere functionality, and is driven hard all the way to the weed field. There it sits, man-made and rusting, an eyesore, an inconvenience, until covered with weeds and brambles, then it ceases to be uncomfortable. Nature has buried our garbage for us. Later, it will be unearthed by an aerial application of 2,4-D herbicides. Will people come from miles around to marvel at the beauty of the the old Cadillac? No, the property owner, with new symbols of beauty dancing in his diseased little mind, will have it towed to the crusher and he will erect a new monstrosity reflecting our present state of inhumanity- the McMansion.

  594. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    If you are tired of doing it then please go away. Seems we all would be happier that way.

  595. welles April 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a REVOLUTION IN THINKING and teach them how they have been punked.
    useless to prattle on about revolutions in thinking.
    people will only effect change if they physically ACT. so you know the money supply is rigged, stock market is rigged, social security is bunkum, politics is pre-selected for you etc.
    ok you’re now enlightened. will anything change as long as you don’t act? about as effective as twitter….
    everyone keeps calling for a revolt against the masters. do something about it in your individual level. stop paying taksez. work under the table.
    use an alternative ccuurreennccyy (already being used with success around the Untied States)
    learn how to have privacy on the net (if possible at all, and i’d love to hear from anyone wiser than myself on this subject).
    peace peaceniks

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  596. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    No group can be expected to exert the self-discipline necessary to control population unless there is a way to keep the advantages of such self-discipline from being eaten up by inward migration. No immigration control means no population control. Open borders will always lead to population growth.
    What is your answer to population control Asoka or do you think it is not a problem?

  597. balkan April 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Thanks, but no need for apologies. Our posts are short to convey large picture of what we are to say, so we react to them as they are presented.
    As for the “Marxist”, I am not “Marxist-Marxist” as my father, a communist, would have liked me to be by inching “Manifesto” across the table toward me and I inching it back. Or the way that I was offered dozens and dozens of times to join the Party and I declined equal number of times.
    Reading his Capital is nothing but horror story of documented descriptions and charts how working class lived at his time. Like Thomas Moore few centuries before him he dreamed of better society, with ONE problem, it would have required people to be God like beings with high level of integrity and social conciseness. Best to my knowledge people in Scandinavian countries, as a whole, even they have nothing to do with Marx, were able to achieve the highest of that so far, but not even close to Marx’s “specs”.
    Promoting any system, as far as I am concerned, is futile Endeavour because sooner or later Clintons, Bushies, Rumsfeilds … of this world quickly find their ways to positions of power and decision making for their own good and with equal passion defend and promote that system.
    You are right that what Soviets and Eastern Block had was wrongly called Communism if for nothing but nowhere in Marx’s writings one can find a suggestion for future Comm-leaders something like: “Mow 50 million of yours…” If, again, for the sake of argument we can called them as such, is that can we say safely that system is dead since 1991?
    To be continued…Need to work.

  598. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    “Promoting any system, as far as I am concerned, is futile Endeavour because sooner or later Clintons, Bushies, Rumsfeilds … of this world quickly find their ways to positions of power and decision making for their own good and with equal passion defend and promote that system.”
    I agree the situation is daunting and you are correct in time bad people always seem to crawl into positions of power. It is what sociopaths do. Fighting them is a sisyphuian task.
    Naysayers post here and love to point out how negative ‘doomers’ are but that is only what they say. I for one will do what I can to make the world a better place and will not cower in defeat as long as I have breath in me to fight. There is nothing negative about that.
    I’ll eat the elephant, one bite at a time. Giving up is not an option. The very existence of humanity is at stake.

  599. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    The above post was meant as a reply to you. Now I have things to do as well.

  600. mika. April 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a REVOLUTION IN THINKING and teach them how they have been punked.
    ==
    Not only how, but why and by whom.
    I think I know the answers to the why and by whom, but I would be very interested in your opinion K-DOG.
    This subject is really the key to everything else. It is key to understanding how perceptions are created managed manipulated, and why EVERYTHING we take for “fact”, reality, history, is extremely suspect.
    Waiting eagerly for your reply.

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  601. careyre April 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    “dick slipping out when you got her in doggy? Either u trying to long stroke wit a short dick or she need to arch that back” – Treyvon Martin.”
    I wish I was that lucky as a high school junior. He’s got that going for him.

  602. San Jose Mom 51 April 12, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Excellent writing Bustin.
    I would like to see your words in a newspaper as a guest editorial.

  603. mika. April 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    A very good critique of Vlad’s understanding of art and beauty. And really why Vlad’s nazi “education” is so half-baked. Very much the same as 8-ball’s philosophical musings.

  604. San Jose Mom 51 April 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    I’m not understanding the label “QuoBama.” What does this mean? I assume it’s an insult? Does it mean “Quote Obama?”

  605. Widespreadpanic7 April 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    Ya BustinJ, nice writing in style & content, I agree, but Jesus Christ, why are you responding to the 8man?
    –WSP7

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  606. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

    Food bankers are not everywhere, people are!
    also:
    lose / loose
    http://www.towson.edu/ows/lose_lose.htm
    Commonly Confused Words: lose / loose. Lose, pronounced /luz/ is a verb. Lose has three possible meanings: … Example of loose meaning “not fastened

  607. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    warispeace

  608. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    lose / loose
    http://www.towson.edu/ows/lose_lose.htm
    Commonly Confused Words: lose / loose. Lose, pronounced /luz/ is a verb. Lose has three possible meanings: … Example of loose meaning “not fastened

  609. trbtx April 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    My guess is that by QuoBama he means “Status Quo Obama”.

  610. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Thank you for your polite request to leave. I will take it under consideration.
    As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself, especially since you are requesting that I stop posting… and then you asked for an answer that requires posting. Is this a trap?

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  611. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    That would be my guess, as well.

  612. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    peaceisharmony

  613. anti soak April 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    Indeed

  614. asoka. April 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Seems like a nice young man, sharing relevant information. The emails (the ones antisoak linked to) also revealed Treyvon Martin was concerned about SAT scores, scholarships, going to college, etc. Like antisoak said, a nice young man.

  615. JonathanSS April 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    You are correct, Jekyll & Hyde*.
    *a person who is vastly different in moral character from one situation to the next.

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  616. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    A Che T shirt? You still wear the face of that thug? Grow up. The 60’s are over.
    Hope you realize how much credibility you’ve just lost.

  617. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    He wanted to be “a no limit nigga”. That was his goal. Now youthful boasting is no crime but it often leads to crime. And he had alot of behavioral problems at school. If he had lived, he was in for some extreme inner conflict if he intended to try college. I haven’t heard what his grades were. If they were good, he would have had a chance of course. If not, why bother?
    He may have profiled Zimmerman as an authority figure. And he seems to have been the one to initiate actual physical contact/conflict. Mr Zimmerman couldn’t retreat since he was pinned to the ground. You have to think it thru Soak – instead of giving in to the old lynch mob mentality.

  618. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    Yes Zone, everyone should write in John Edwards next November. He is th ONLY one who can save us.

  619. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Natural things decay and then life rises up from the decay. Man made things just decay. The contrast Bustin paints shows the power of Nature -even if just humble weeds surrounded by miles and miles of huge decaying dead artifacts.
    The more Man advances, the more appreciation has for Nature. You seem to have gone somewhat awry.
    Of course, Man’s buildings and bridges are glorious in a way. But in terms of beauty? Nature wins. And any future Civilization will be beautiful to the extent it works with Nature and not against it.

  620. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    Like all Communists, you think you have the right to other people’s money. Rand say you don’t. You call this egotism. I call it sanity and basis of free association.
    Of course she is limited: to have a flourishing culture, the Goverment has to have a place in the Economy. So we agree, but not really. It’s a matter of degree.
    Margaret Thatcher once slipped up and revealed she didn’t believe in society at all – it’s all just individuals and the goverment as the enforcer of contracts. This is a perversion but it is the logical conclusion of Randism.
    Without Some (but how much?) Paternalism, society becomes the war of all against all.

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  621. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    Yes, even some East Asians are begining to pile on the pig pile of hate Whitey. That’s what happens when a race acts this weak for decades. It’s very dangerous to do so – be it as an individual, nation, or race.
    Now go back to the Reconstruction Era and read how Blacks treated the disarmed Whites – while the Union Authorities did nothing but laugh. Reclaim your True Heritage – and the role the KKK played in saving the South.

  622. Pucker April 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    How come there aren’t more “Mad Scientists”?
    Why is it that science nerds don’t commonly develop huge, over-sized egos and hatch mad schemes for world domination and destruction like aristocrats, politicians, bureaucrats, and CEOs do?
    The popular fantasy that imagines technological fixes for all of humanity’s problems seems to envision scientists as altruistic, friendly people out to help us. But maybe, like everyone else, the reverse is true and that scientists are basically Ego Maniacs?
    And why is it that it’s seemingly the really crazy people who dream of creating a Utopia on Earth?
    [Pucker shrugging his shoulders and mumbling to himself]
    “I don’t know…Beats me….”

  623. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    Unamusment Park is a great website – a very pure Fountain of Rational Hate and Mockery towards our Smug Elites and their bully boy clients.
    Went to see Huger Games. Great movie. Good acting, characters, plot, action scenes, etc. They had “Movie Survival Training” on opening night. I summoned all my willpower and refrained from attending.

  624. Vlad Krandz April 12, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    A question of specialization I’d say. People who are focused on the intellect don’t have the energy or personality to conquer. Some like Bill Gates turn to business and that’s alot closer to the Will.
    For the big picture, check out the work of Laurence Kohlberg. Moral development presupposes intellectual development but they’re not the same. The intellect can run ahead of the moral function but not vice versa. It’s necessary but not sufficient in other words. So the mad scientist type is quite possible, just not likely for the reason I already gave. Instead we have people like Dick Cheney and Bernie Madoff who suffer from such a lopsided development.
    Kudos on your test score. You are the Philosopher King who needs to be begged to assume power.
    I remember talking to or about you before. I can’t remember if I’m supposed to hate you or not.

  625. Vlad Kramps April 12, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    “Went to see Huger Games. Great movie. Good acting, characters, plot, action scenes, etc. They had “Movie Survival Training” on opening night. I summoned all my willpower and refrained from attending.” Vladdie
    So, Vladdie me boy, how did your “date” enjoy the movie…err..I mean your mother? Do you mean to tell us you either a) have a friend to go to the movies with or b) go to the movies by yerself? Can’t imagine the former, but can imagine the latter. Whatever, pary on, Garth!

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  626. Vlad Kramps April 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    “I remember talking to or about you before. I can’t remember if I’m supposed to hate you or not”
    Vladdie
    Sounds like somebody has been experiencing some pretty severe alcoholic blackouts! My guess, Dear Vladdie, is that you indeed hate him (or her), for that is your specialty. You and Asoka ought to consider gay marriage. It would suit you both, you’re so much alike. ;D

  627. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Change we can believe in became change I’m not going to do.
    Consequently we have. Status => quObama.
    Not so much of an insult, more of a nickname.
    I admit that I go after quoBama when he is only the tip of TPTB iceberg but I recall there was a president who had a sign on his desk. The Buck Stops Here.
    At $400,000 a year Mr. legacy (That’s all he is about.) can take my inconsequential abuse. While he concentrates on his 1% club membership the future of the nation goes down the tubes.

  628. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    As credibility relates to honesty I have not lost any.

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  630. Kyooshtik April 12, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS HAVE NEGLIGENT IMPACT
    =============
    Umm, NEGLIGIBLE perhaps?

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  631. progress2conserve April 12, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    “There is no limit to the number of people you can love.” -asoka-
    You have posted this arcana so many times that it must be true, a..
    So, let us say that you start tonight. Take a list of people on the planet, and go down the list saying simply, “I love you.”
    As in:
    “I love you, Al Sharpton.” -asoka.-
    “I love you, George Zimmerman.” -asoka.-
    This should take about one second per person.
    Let us be charitable and say that you, asoka., can work through your list without rest or sleep.
    It will take you 31.7 YEARS, to love a billion people at the rate of simply SAYING ONE NAME per second.
    To love all 7 billion people on Earth, at this rate, will take you 221 years and 11 months, asoka..
    Time’s a wasting.
    You might want to take K-Dog’s polite suggestion to heart, and stop posting to CFN.
    You better get busy. You’ve got a LOT of lovin’ that you need to get done. Start immediately!

  632. Kyooshtik April 12, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    You hypocrite Q…you didn’t complain when your mama named you “Precocious” !
    ==============
    My Mom never called me “Precocious” but she did say I was “stubborn” which, for emphasis, she always enunciated STUH BOR IN!! “Kyoo, you. are. STUH. BOR. IN.”

  633. k-dog April 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    Carroll Quigley describes different cognitive system which cause us each to see the world in different ways. Another way to look at it is that different people can have different world views.
    We get our world views from our culture and self perpetuating institutions which promote and brainwash their citizenry into having particular world views which serve the interests of the institution. Any self perpetuating institution will evolve ways of doing this or it would not be self perpetuating.
    My contribution to the dialog is to suggest that we are unconscious of our thoughts being confined within a particular world view or cognitive system and believe we are free thinkers when in fact we are not. The situation can be compared to that of a wild animal confined within a large fenced enclosure. As long as the animal cannot see the surrounding fence it believes itself to be free. Within the confines of the fence it actually is which explains the delusion.
    Self perpetuating institutions can be the government, schools, the church or the corporate interests of the ruling 0.1%. Our thoughts are confined by tradition and culture much more than we are aware of.
    Advertising brings the point home well. Advertising is highly effective but it works on us in very unconscious ways. While writing this post I received a phone call asking if I would like to be a part of the Obama team. I declined, I will not be advertising for Obama. He is not about sustainability, the people or any change I can believe and I will not be advertising for him. A short discussion ensued which attempted to find out my views. I suspect this is to adjust the coming campaign slogans for maximum effect.
    An effective self perpetuating institution will also be set up so there does need to be a mastermind in charge. Secret handshakes are not necessary. Enduring systems will make sure that only those with approved world views ever attain leadership positions.
    A particular society having fixed ways of behaving and thinking is like a species of animal with particular behaviors. When circumstances change suddenly the species becomes extinct because it cannot adapt to the new living situation.
    Sadly this is the situation we are currently in.

  634. progress2conserve April 12, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    “We need the Hell’s Angels or the KKK.” -vlad-
    “The KKK will come again.” -vlad-
    Vlad, I’ve heard you. And you may be right.
    But let me tell you something – I grew up in the shadow of the KKK in a little Southern town south of the Atlanta airport, in a county that had a large and dominant KKK presence at the time.
    As a kid, I was pretty much scared shitless of the son’s of bitches. And I was white, straight, 7 years old, and Baptist.
    To this day, I still don’t like that kind of fear, and I don’t like hate.
    The fact that asoka presents an implacable desire to put “whitey” (that’s me and my family, btw) down forever –
    The fact that Bill will defend a hateful hater of the Vatican “to the death,” simply because he and that anonymous internet personage share some alleged Tribal Heritage –
    ==========================
    I – slowly, sadly, and regretfully – begin to see that some organization that functions to “defend white people” is going to become necessary –
    But I am going to fight against – AND CALL OUT – the gathering forces that are making that defense necessary, for as long as I can.

  635. Pucker April 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

    Vlad wrote: “Kudos on your test score. You are the Philosopher King who needs to be begged to assume power.”
    I’m not fit for authority. I don’t even want to have a secretary because I’d have to pay attention to her and meet her emotional needs.
    Basically, I just want to be left alone so that no one tries to hurt me.

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  636. Pucker April 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    There’s another futuristic dystopia movie out called “Hunger Games”.
    The movie depicts a future in which an elite, wealthy, depraved aristocracy use children for their profit, amusement, and egotistical aggrandizement—a bit like U.S. law schools….

  637. Shakazulu April 13, 2012 at 12:27 am #

    Thanks for the comments. Welles and other true believers ignore the activities ongoing to defend themselves with words. Actions affect reality. Words affect the mind. We live in a physical world. Thoughts put on paper do not impact physical activity. The Elites running the planet we live on have been creating artificial scarcities for generations and now insist we must all live in caves or the earth will die. No matter what the words are written by utopians, one Elite took the time and effort to put up a stone that says “population reduced to 500 million.” The world is entering dark times. But that shouldn’t stop us from planting a tree if it makes us feel better. I’m all for positive action. If I didn’t believe in the power of good, I’d join the Elites today and get my TSA badge.

  638. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 1:03 am #

    Apple is constructing what will be the nation’s largest non-utility solar and fuel-cell power plants. That’s a good thing™, right?
    Not according to The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), a conservative think tank that claims Apple board member Al Gore is enriching himself while ripping off shareholders.
    “Shareholders must question why Apple is choosing to pay a premium for alternative energy when there are many sources of cheaper energy available in North Carolina, such as coal.” says NCPPR director Tom Borelli, adding that “Gore is trying to ‘bail out his personal investments in alternative energy and green technology.’”
    Yup, the one thing we need more of in this country is coal smoke — good ol’ American red, white and black-lung coal.
    And, don’t miss the use of the conservative code words “bail out.”

  639. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 1:17 am #

    No, Vlad, you have to look at the facts, after taking off your prejudiced glasses. Zimmerman spotted Martin while patrolling his gated community, got out of his vehicle and followed the young Martin. In other words, Vlad, Zimmerman “profiled” Martin, who was unarmed and wasn’t committing a crime.
    Zimmerman observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police.
    During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn’t know why.
    During a recorded call to a police dispatcher, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated “these a——s, these f—–g punks, they always get away”

  640. Bustin J April 13, 2012 at 2:29 am #

    Its a fact that no one will be able to prove guilt in this case, because there is not enough evidence for a jury to convict him of commit 2nd degree murder. It will be an opportunity to make a case that he should be charged with manslaughter instead. This puts the whole kitten in the jury’s lap.
    Zimmerman either confesses or plea bargains, otherwise, the its up to 12 of his peers. Its out of anyone’s hands now, least of all George Zimmerman. Bet he wishes he never got out of bed that morning let alone left his house with a gun.

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  641. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 2:50 am #

    Few Liberals are capable of the growth you have achieved these last few months. Why were you afraid of the guys who were on your side? Was it public school propaganda? Or something real?
    I’m no expert, but I believe General Bedford Forest disbanded his original onece the crisis was over because he saw the large potential for abuse. But by then it had taken on a life of its own….
    Your distaste for what is coming is fair if futile. It’s not going to be pretty and we are going to have to get unpleasant since everyone else will be.
    Did you hear about the shootings in Tulsa? They’re doing it again: calling one of the shooters, the Native American guy a White.

  642. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 2:55 am #

    He was Captain of the Neighborhood Watch so it was his business to be interested in strange young men. And as for his curses, they aren’t overtly racist though they do seem a bit over the top and too eager since Treyvon hadn’t done anything yet.
    As a wanna be cop, Zimmerman may be a flawed man, but he doesn’t seem the racist you want him to be nor a complete creep/loser. He has good friends who are standing by him along with his family. And some of the friends are Black. He stood up for a Black homeless guy awhile back. Tutored Black children etc. It’s just not there Soak. Open your heart. You say you love Latin Americans…

  643. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 3:01 am #

    Kramps, you are in Agony. Your Gayness is a compensation for the complete lack of brotherhood in American Life. Here is the answer: the Mannerbund. Such Brotherhoods are the progenitors of Civilizations. They are what the movie Fight Club was trying to get across. Here is the concept in the form of a movie review.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/04/brian-de-palmas-the-untouchables/

  644. 8man April 13, 2012 at 4:19 am #

    Fake Hard Work
    Given that nothing really needs to be “produced” anymore, that the Technological Economy has done away with most Real Work and Labor, the only thing that is left is Status Games, Office Politics, Power Struggles, Conflicts, the real job is “Convincing Your Boss” or “Convincing the Markets” or “Selling Some Imaginary Value and Crap to some Worthless Customers” as Man is a worthless generalized Turd, is a puke, is a piece of crap, 100 % bar none. The Real Job consists in convincing the other mind, mind games, the real job is to obtain a good judgment from the other mind, the other, the Boss, the whatever other mind you depend on, etc.
    The real job is showing off “how Hard You Work” which really means how much of a Slave and how much you will and must abide to random forces, whether Bosses, Corporations, Matkets whatever, all of those forces that want you to be a slave, to jump ever more higher, the poor worker must always ask, How High Must I Jump, and the Boss tells him ever more higher, ever more “Hard Work” Show, the show must go on, so beat each other up with all of the “Hard Work” BS, give the “Future Boss”, the guy who wants to get “Ahead” an ever more Hard Time, give him impossible tasks, impossible schedules, get him working the most impossible tasks (always totally useless, totally vain, just an excuse to exercise power, 99 % of all tasks in all of the offices worldwide are so idiotic and ridiculous and useless that it is obvious to anyone that they are just Man Made contraptions to make believe that there is some real work to be done, just contraptions used to repress others, to continue the subtle fight of contrasting Will Powers, the imaginary and useless tasks that appear only because some other Arbitrary Will Power wants to have some fun seeing others abide and work like slaves, to see statuses reconfirmed, to see the power structure enhanced once again and such) announced always at the Last Minute Friday Evening to get him working like a slave all weekend and such.
    This is what “work” really consists of in a Technological Economy, make believe activities that only hide the desire to repress the other, the desire to command and boss the other, the desire to replicate and amplify the structural inequality, the Fake Show of Hard Work, the Fake Show of meritocracy all based on power and force and arbitrary will powers deciding to beat up the other and such (rarely based on anything really objectively valuable, since too many people would be too good at that and you need to select a few and filter out all of those that become “lazy” (and see how the hard work myth imposes people to become lazy by creating ever higher barriers for them to be considered “successful” and such) since they don’t or can’t or desire to follow ever harder boss or market requests (or impossible sales targets and such) and also notice how the power strctures reproduce themselves perfectly since the boss (boss is just a proxy word to mean corporations and markets and banks and power and such) will let only those that are exactly like him get ahead, and they know right away who is a future Slave Boss and who doesn’t want to be one and such).
    On a side note, the Startup myth, and the flexible USA economy gives people some more wiggle room in that they can try to become their own bosses (but it is mostly an illusion), many other places don’t even allow that little wiggle room the USA has such as in China, JAPAN, South Korea most of Europe and such, in these places, the status, arbitrary, “connections” and “relationships” forces aren’t even hidden too much, most people there already know and are cynical, know that only the other person’s power and judgments counts to “get ahead”, all else is mostly irrelevant.
    But of course, the system is all automatic, the Bosses had to go through the same hell and they will impose a similar hell upon the new crop of graduates and such, and of course many won’t stand for it, many will not abide as they will understand and see how it is all just a power game, there is no real technical or business reason or economic reason behind 99 % of things, hence they see that it is just an arbitrary will power expressing their power and whether or not to abide and play the game or not. And many will not, or will play it partially or will eventually give in and give up as in the pressure is constantly increased for the future boss that wants to have a career and to make it must keep it up, ever more, until he makes it and such. And those that don’t abide, don’t want to play the game are considered “Lazy”, slackers, don’t “Want to Work” and such, when in all truth they don’t want to be under some arbitrary will power of some arbitrary thug wanting to express his power and repress the new crops of slaves, etc.
    But then, if you play the game, you can’t go back, you slowly start having too much to lose, you can’t give up or give even a little less otherwise you will lose all of the past investment, all the past effort will have been in vain, your past work and effort is your prison and forces you to keep on trying harder, to keep up the long hours, ever more and such, otherwise you risk losing everything, you risk losing all the past work, it all goes down the drain, it can all be judged as being a big fat ZERO in a jiffy since the only forces acting within the Technological Economy is the instant judgment, the instant will power event, the instant change of the judgment from “Possible” to “Bad”, from possible Win, to lose and such (resembles the housing crisis, when you can’t keep up the payments but you can’t give up the house otherwise you risk losing all the money you already paid for it, etc: the solution ? just leave the keys, stop paying, who cares, lose “everything”, it was all worthless crap anyways and the same for the stressed out boss, just give up, who cares, it is all crap anyways).
    So, in the end, it is all a losing proposition, just like the South Korean (or JAPAN or China) students always “studying”, when in truth it is just a subtle dictatorship of power expressing itself upon the minds of the students, saying you are nothing, you are a slave, you must abide, I am the boss and such, and they get brainwashed by the same BS and replicate the same values and systems over and over again.
    You have to”Work Hard” which means be a total slave of another will power if you want to succeed and “Make Money”. But the exact meaning and value of money is the fact that it is and renders you independent from other will powers, from other fluke judgments, the reason to want money is to try to gain as much independence and freedom from this huge ball of crap of modern labor, to be free from other judgments and power, and money is the value of objective independence, the more money (the symbol and proxy), the more you can possibly be free and such.
    But make no mistake, the very reason Inequality and Power Structures and Status games and all kinds of Arbitrary Will Power events and forces keep on increasing is exactly because the Technological Economy has done away with the need for any real labor and work, it needs more real labor and work like a hole in the head, but this freedom from the dependency on real work and tasks makes the arbitrary components of will powers expressing themselves ever more powerful, the fluff and games become ever more powerful as the more real work becomes no longer necessary: the less real work there is to do, the harder the Drone of “Hard Work” is being imposed on everyone, the harder the Powers that Be must brainwash everyone of the need of “Hard Work”, the more real hard work is no longer necessary and needed for the economy to work, the more imaginary and arbitrary and will power and power and status based invented and imaginary and comic book Hard Work is imposed on workers, just because, just for fun, because Man is a turd, is an Ape Man stone age turd.
    There is no “Objective Economy” and forces at work, there are only relationships between reciprocal people, between reciprocal will powers judging, there is nothing objective between people, only arbitrary reference systems established by the other person’s mind judging, by reciprocal minds making believe that they are objective when it is not based on anything but fluke will powers which are without any value at all.
    THE APE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  645. 8man April 13, 2012 at 4:30 am #

    From:
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  647. tegmark April 13, 2012 at 7:49 am #

    Busty
    I don’t want comparison, I don’t want Right or Wrong, I don’t want who did what, who is right and who is wrong, who is guilty and who is not, What we should do instead of what we did and such. Hate Nature Busty, use it as a tool, the dam creates electricity that is good for people, the greens don’t like people, they like an imaginary clown in the sky called Nature (what was once called the good old Jesus Khryst, in fact, give us back the good old Khyrst for Khryst’s sakes, we don’t need any new (age ?) religion, we already have many fine old ones that work well enough in hosing people’s minds). I just like things as they are, all kinds of things, the beauty in the way they are simply without any Function, any Social Meaning and Morality, they are nothing at all, we can’t do anything with them, we can’t attach them to any of our puny pain/pleasure circuits or any of our social conflicts, Me better than You, me more morally correct than you BS and such, any fights, and win or lose thingys, etc. We can’t attach the old car in the weeds with any Function, any intentionality of use, anything at all, it simply suggest that things are mostly undefined, mostly useless, mostly without any function.
    Just like Science and Math are mostly the results of Machines expressing Mathematical Relationships from the outset, from the beginning (by their design and their Intentionality of use reflecting the way we are designed, the way we were arbitrarily designed by the blind forces of Nature through natural Evolution, but having no deeper truth or fundament or absolute than a random group of pebbles on the street) and we think that that is Nature talking to us and expressing the unreasonable precision of mathematics in its predictive and descriptive power in physics the physicists love to believe in, just like another religion and such, everything we look at is always trying to frame something in social, good or bad, morality, political, guilty or not guilty (and punish and deserving this or that and hard work crap), fights, A against B meanings and suggestions: just like you do, but you can’t see past all of this BS, this mental pollution, you can’t accept things for what they are, simply useless, without a function, without meaning, expressing pure existence without any possible function.
    In fact, we should construct machines out of random pebbles on the street and mountains and random ocean waves and wild clouds, we should construct abstract machines that use all of that which has and can’t have any function even because it can’t even be delimited and pinpoint down (an ocean wave extends in time and space an unknown amount, same as clouds and such) and such machines must provide functions that are even more detached and abstract, impossible to define, ever more.
    The V8 in the new cadillac is made up of pebbles as the cylinders and clouds as the spark plugs and such. And repeat and extend, the wilder the better, be crazy, be insane, be incomprehensible, break the chains of logic, of people and society, break the chains of Non Contradiction and the Identity Principle, kill it all.
    THE 8 MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  648. tegmark April 13, 2012 at 7:58 am #

    Just like Science and Math are mostly the results of Machines expressing Mathematical Relationships from the outset, from the beginning (by their design and their Intentionality of use reflecting the way we are designed, and especially the way our Man Brain is designed, the arbitrary quirk stupid circuits in our randomly organized Man Brain which could have trillions of new better, more chaotic, deeper, richer and refined organizations and such, the way we were arbitrarily designed by the blind forces of Nature through natural Evolution, but having no deeper truth or fundament or absolute than a random group of pebbles on the street) and we think that that is Nature talking to us (when we are simply talking to ourselves using our puny language and logic, nay Matter talking to itself with one of trillions of arbitrary language and reality framing and formatting systems possible) and expressing the unreasonable precision of mathematics in its predictive and descriptive power in physics the physicists love to believe in, just like another religion and such, everything we look at is always trying to be framed into something social, good or bad, morality, political, guilty or not guilty (and punish and deserving this or that and hard work crap), fights, A against B meanings and suggestions: just like you do, but you can’t see past all of this BS, this mental pollution, you can’t accept things for what they are, simply useless, without a function, without meaning, expressing pure existence without any possible function.
    In fact, we should construct machines out of random pebbles on the street and mountains and random ocean waves and wild clouds, we should construct abstract machines that use all of that which has and can’t have any function even because it can’t even be delimited and pinpoint down (an ocean wave extends in time and space an unknown amount, same as clouds and such) and such machines must provide functions that are even more detached and abstract, impossible to define, ever more.
    The V8 in the new cadillac is made up of pebbles as the cylinders and clouds as the spark plugs and such. And repeat and extend, the wilder the better, be crazy, be insane, be incomprehensible, break the chains of logic, of people and society, break the chains of Non Contradiction and the Identity Principle, kill it all.
    THE 8 MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  649. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 10:06 am #

    Your welcome. As you say, words affect the mind and if our minds are not in the right place we can’t take effective action to cushion and mitigate and understand the coming clusterfuck.
    Some posts it appears are intended to minimize the sincere beliefs and efforts of other posts the authors of whom genuinely care about the big picture and the long term survival of the human race. These posts do not contribute to the discussion and we have to help each other out when bullies show up to undermine what we are trying to say.
    This is not my blog and I don’t make the rules but I’ll risk saying that sincere disagreement and dialog is welcome but posts that appear with the sole purpose of undermining the views of others and which contribute nothing to the discussion need to be attacked for what they are.

  650. Rhino April 13, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Yes, yes, yes name calling and racism. You ought to know all about name calling and racism given your own racist posts.
    You still haven’t answered the big question. Shall I repeat it? I’ve asked it several times. OK if you insist, here it is for your convenience:
    Is the Jewish “reconquista” of Palestine (like the Hispanic reconquista of the American southwest) “simple justice”? Is it “karma” that Palestinians have to suffer in refugee camps?
    And another question: was it “karma” that Amerindians had to suffer conquest and marginalization at the hands of European settlers?
    Like I said give us one last laugh and then fuck off into the sunset.

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  651. Rhino April 13, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    “As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself,…” – Asoka
    Good, you said all you need to say so buzz off.

  652. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    They’re doing it again: calling one of the shooters, the Native American guy a White.
    ===============
    I think you’re applying a little spin here Vlad. The article I read said there were two shooters involved, one white and the other native American Indian. The paper says the Indian identifies himself as white.

  653. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    Zimmerman won’t confess. He doesn’t have to. When the prosecutor charged him with 2nd degree murder, she effectively made the case for his aquittal. The evidence in the case shows that Zimmerman had bruises on the back of his head that night, as well as a bloody nose. With respect to Florida’s law, Stand Your Ground, a citizen has a right to use deadly force when defending himself.
    His attorney might cop a plea for manslaughter, which would result in less jail time. But as the case stands now, no judge in his/her right mind will try the case as it now stands.
    The prosecutor did what she had to do, which was look like a hard ass by charging Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. IMO, it was 2nd degree murder. But with Florida’s law, and I’m no attorney, Zimmerman can claim he was defending himself. I don’t think the case will ever make it to trial.

  654. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Zimmerman was half white and half Hispanic, just for the record ;p

  655. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    “As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself,…” – Asoka
    Exactly WHEN did you STOP repeating yourself?

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  656. anti soak April 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    I read he was all brown. Adopted by whites.

  657. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    I think he’s a marked man, wherever he ends up. He won’t last three minutes in jail. If he’s acquitted, he’ll spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, because some bad-ass black dude is going to kill him. Will we see another summer of “Why can’t we all just get along?”

  658. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Your mother called. She wants her basement back.

  659. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    That wasn’t the orignal story – maybe the media backed off. They’re having to do alot of that lately.
    Some people who identify as Indian look as White as I do. This guy looks like a full blood so he identifies as White. America, it’s a problem.
    The Indians themselves varied strongly in their reaction to Blacks. The Sioux admired the Black Union Soldiers and called them Buffalo Soldiers – a compliment. The Comanches loathed them utterly. The Hopi were expecting them in their prophecies. The Cherokees had Black slaves when they were trying to fit in with Southern Whites. In any case, alot of mixing ended up happening over the centuries – at least in the East. Much less so in the West where Blacks are a more recent addition.

  660. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    You are my namesake, my son. It’s time to become a man now, Kramps.

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  661. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    About a month ago.

  662. xhalor April 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    Here’s a good example of how the law works in one of the world’s major population centers. BTW, Kudos to whoever posted the “Filthy India” pictorial. I have visual confirmation of two(2) barfings.

  663. xhalor April 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Sorry, forgot the link:
    http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2012/04/letter-from-sanal-edamaruka-defence.html

  664. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    The Hillary Rosen incident is pure poetic justice. The trumped up “War on Women” has backfired on the Obamas. They are now in maximum damadge controll throwing the hapless dyke under the bus. Lesbo strikes out!
    Make no mistake friends, she revealed how they really see stay at home moms. The Communist Manifesto makes clear that children are to be raised by the state. The famous Marxist Writer Simone De Beauvoir, author of The Second Sex, called such mothers, “parasites” and said that they should be forced to work.
    Again the Manifesto said clearly that the nuclear family is the enemy of the State and is an obstacle to attaining Utopia (nowhere) – the classless society. When I walk around outside, I think we already have no class at all.

  665. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    You yourself have admitted that being civil to blacks is the best course, without engaging them or wanting to have anything to do with blacks other than polite exchanges. I think many racists here agree with your strategy, since blacks are a fact of life since whites brought them here.
    Civil, polite behavior is called “getting along” and that is what you favor … between all races. As I understand you are a white separatist, not a white supremacist.

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  666. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    I never said that. More pure grade ‘A’ baloney served up by Asoka himself.

  667. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    That’s where it gets interesting in my opinion. The high Elite know all about these things and they want to reduce the world’s population – by force and fraud. They want to power down Civilization – all the while staying on top. They want People to be crammed into Cities with the countryside open only to them.
    Now who has the best chance to save the Ecosystem, them or us? Obviously, them. But at what price? Certainly all of our freedoms and almost all of any real culture. So what’s it going to be? I say let’s save Humanity even at the price of the snail darters and yellow belly sap suckers. Hopefully the collapse will be so complete as to save the large animals of Africa and most other species – if they can just hold out a few more years.

  668. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    So you see Black dysfuntion as merely cultural? Then why are all Black Cultures so poor, dirty, and crime ridden?
    Last year in England, a riot started when a police officer ordered a Black girl to pick a wrapper she had dropped on the street. She picked it up and then dropped it again when he turned his back. He went to arrest her and she bit him. And other Blacks saw the scuffle and joined in.
    Now imagine how they’re going to be when things get really bad.

  669. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Certain posters here have aligned themselves in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case just as we knew they would. Vlad and Anti Soak supporting Zimmerman’s actions… Asoka, Bustin and Buck convinced it was a race based murder.
    The fact is nobody here has enough information to know… it is all speculation.
    So I will speculate too:
    Trayvon was suspicious for walking home in the dark “while black” and the hoodie didn’t help either. And Zimmerman is a classic wannabe cop. A person who yearns for power because in reality he has none. As I understand it, it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of “Captain” or some such. I haven’t heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs, The Man of La Sanford. “Captain of the community security force” will look good on his resume when he persues his true goal: to become a real cop with a legit uniform, badge and gun and can give up the hokey Paul Blart routine.
    In my expeience/view we need to be suspicious of the motivations of ALL cops. (I forget who it was, Plato or Socrates? who noted as much.) I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations. No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us. When this personality type has a love (collection) of guns and other weapons I become doubly suspicious. It will be interesting to learn, if indeed it comes up at the trial, whether Z has such a collection.
    Speculating about this case makes me recall the old days when I hung out at Parkside Billiards in Camden, NJ (much to my parent’s chagrin). Another poolroom-Johnny there, about my age, and whose muscles had muscles, became, a few years later, the owner of the joint which he relocated to the other side of the street and arranged in such a way as to gain control of any potential riff-raff. He was an imposing presence behind his counter, dressed in a tight white T-shirt looking like he was ready to “explode” (as Danny DeVito said to Ahhnold) with a huge German Shepherd sprawled languidly on the floor awaiting orders from his master.
    I drifted off to other rhelms(sp?) until 10 years later I encountered this muscle-bound dude in a bar in Cherry Hill. We talked. He had become a cop on the Camden police force. “No kidding” I asked, “how so?” He said with an honest bright smile, “I LOVE the action.”

  670. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Those are excellent ideas Soak. Glad you’re starting to see straight but not narrow.

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  671. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Yes, but the high elite can never stand against us if we come together as a pack. They need us because we are their arms and legs. It is essential for their survival that they keep us fighting amongst ourselves for then we are desperate and subject to their bidding.
    Blacks against whites. Whites against blacks. It is all the same. A a win for them and a loss for us. They don’t care who builds their pyramids as long as they get built.
    In times of plenty they breed us to increase their profit and lower our wages. When things are scarce they use hate and war to cull our numbers down. Hungry bellies make that process very easy. Post peak oil production is going to mean a lot of hungry bellies. As for increasing our numbers you said it yourself:
    “all of our freedoms and almost all of any real culture.”
    Once freedom and culture are taken away all limits on controlling population fall away. That is the curse of the pioneering principle.
    Passive control of population is preferable to positive control because positive control means death. The only way to fix the problem is to become our own elites. And I know how to do it.

  672. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Sorry about that Vlad. I neglected to indicate I was replying to your most excellent post.

  673. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    All true unfortunately. Some old timers say that the quality of cops has gone down; that it doesn’t attract top notch guys anymore. Could be something in that. But probably more to the point: America has become unpoliceable except by a very heavy hand. As Rip said awhile ago, most cops think the public are assholes. And alot of people know that now and want nothing to do with them.
    Two generation ago, cops taught little kids how to ride a bike. The job is too much for them now, it would be too much for anyone. The first line of defence is the family. Failing that, the schools, courts, and police can at best fight a desperate rear guard action.
    Cops are not the Angels from Realms of Glory that the Right Wingers would have us believe. (As a Fascist, I’m neither Right nor Left, but both and neither)

  674. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    “Now who has the best chance to save the Ecosystem, them or us? Obviously, them.”
    I disagree here. Being in charge of our own destiny places the ecosystem as top priority, everything changes. Homeowners take better care of houses than renters.

  675. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Certain posters here have aligned themselves in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case just as we knew they would. Vlad and Anti Soak supporting Zimmerman’s actions… Asoka, Bustin and Buck convinced it was a race based murder.
    The fact is nobody here has enough information to know… it is all speculation.
    So I will speculate too:
    Trayvon was suspicious for walking home in the dark “while black” and the hoodie didn’t help either. And Zimmerman is a classic wannabe cop. A person who yearns for power because in reality he has none. As I understand it, it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of “Captain” or some such. I haven’t heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs, The Man of La Sanford. “Captain of the community security force” will look good on his resume when he persues his true goal: to become a real cop with a legit uniform, badge and gun and can give up the hokey Paul Blart routine.
    In my expeience/view we need to be suspicious of the motivations of ALL cops. (I forget who it was, Plato or Socrates? who noted as much.) I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations. No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us. When this personality type has a love (collection) of guns and other weapons I become doubly suspicious. It will be interesting to learn, if indeed it comes up at the trial, whether Z has such a collection.
    Speculating about this case makes me recall the old days when I hung out at Parkside Billiards in Camden, NJ (much to my parent’s chagrin). Another poolroom-Johnny there, about my age, and whose muscles had muscles, became, a few years later, the owner of the joint which he relocated to the other side of the street and arranged in such a way as to gain control of any potential riff-raff. He was an imposing presence behind his counter, dressed in a tight white T-shirt looking like he was ready to “explode” (as Danny DeVito said to Ahhnold) with a huge German Shepherd sprawled languidly on the floor awaiting orders from his master.
    I drifted off to other rhelms(sp?) until 10 years later I encountered this muscle-bound dude in a bar in Cherry Hill. We talked. He had become a cop on the Camden police force. “No kidding” I asked, “how so?” He said with an honest bright smile, “I LOVE the action.”

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  676. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    I don’t know about other places but cops here are more about making sure everyone gets through their day having a positive experience. They don’t cause people trouble unless your are doing something that detracts from the positive experience of another. The police chiefs here are very adverse to doing anything that takes away from their clearly defined mission: keeping the public safe.

  677. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    The Elite want to breed a light skinned Black type; handsome and reasonably intelligent. In other words, well below them.
    You know how to overthrow them? Ignore them right? Make them superfulous. Well you better stop talking about Chairman Mao cuz you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow. Communism was an utter disaster for the Human Race. It’s a perversion of the Human Spirit. The Elite LOVE Communism and gained much ground with it. Who do you think funded it? No one asks that, the most basic question. Just like no one asked who funded Obama’s campaign.

  678. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    Yes, of course. But who is winning? And if they win, we stay in the cities where we can’t cause trouble.
    Also, some owners aren’t very good at all. But with a good social ethic, it could work. Most White Americans are disgusted to see someone throw trash on the street or sidewalk. Europeans even more so. Other places haven’t even begun with this yet.

  679. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    “I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations.”
    I’ll add FRED to the mix.
    I’m adding FRED here because I agree with him. I know where I live if a cop shoots someone they are in for all the grief Fred describes and they all know it. It could be the end of their career.

  680. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    if a cop shoots someone regardless of color

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  681. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Membership in the elite is all about money and fitting in. Nothing else.

  682. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Remember Sonny DuPree? He was over 300 lbs but he was a real gentleman. Give you the sweaty shirt off his back.

  683. Phaedrus April 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Excellent post this week, Jim. I am just now getting to it, unfortunately. Anyway, I apologize if the quote is a bit cliche, but for me, as a Millennial, it really adequately expresses how to deal with all this mess with least amount of suffering:
    “It is not a man’s duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man’s shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too.”
    I find that it works if you really understand it. The real enemy is ignorance. Food for thought as an expression of my gratitude for your astute observations. Thanks!

  684. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    The Higher Ones think very well of themselves and their genes. Notice you didn’t respond to who funded Communism.

  685. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Pardon the double post. Odd, the words remained in the comment box after having appeared as a properly executed post.

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  686. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    Membership in the elite is all about money and fitting in. Nothing else.
    How do you know this, K-Dog?
    Have you been a member of the elite? Are you friends with members of the elite?
    Voters want to know.

  687. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    The governor poses as a man willing to make hard choices for the future, but what he actually did was sacrifice the future for the sake of personal political advantage. He catered to national Republican prejudices that are completely at odds with New Jersey’s needs; he cared more about avoiding embarrassment over a misguided campaign pledge than about serving an urgent public need. Unfortunately, Mr. Christie’s behavior is all too typical these days. America used to be a country that thought big about the future. Major public projects, from the Erie Canal to the interstate highway system, used to be a well-understood component of our national greatness. Nowadays, however, the only big projects politicians are willing to undertake — with expense no object — seem to be wars. Funny how that works.

  688. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Quote in previous post comes from Paul Krugman in reference to New Jersey’s Gov. Christie.

  689. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    “…it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of “Captain” or some such. I haven’t heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs,…”
    It is rumored that Zimmerman donned a black cape when on patrol and had a younger sidekick, ironically known as “Blackbird”.

  690. Widespreadpanic7 April 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Lead frontpage article in WSJ today states oil supply is flush, Saudi Arabia having made up any losses due to sanctions on Iran, and gasolene prices should begin falling back pretty soon.
    All is well. Keep up the happy motoring.
    Also, on CSpan this week, Brian Lamb interviewing the producer and director of a new documentary about the Wall Street meltdown. Notable quote, “Since 2008, $12 trillion has been doled out by the Fed Reserve and US Treasurey to Wall Street Firms and Banks”.
    And on CNBC they look at us each day with a straight face and tell us the markets are strong.
    –WSP7

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  691. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    It is rumored that Zimmerman donned a black cape when on patrol and had a younger sidekick, ironically known as “Blackbird”.
    ==============
    You’re kidding, right? If true I’d say he’s headed for the Big House. But then again…there’s always the insanity plea. hmmm

  692. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    Not being a communist I do not feel the need.

  693. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    Then they can ask me but not you. You chose not to answer my last question, so buddy what goes around comes around.

  694. xhalor April 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    (As a Fascist, I’m neither Right nor Left, but both and neither)…
    Oh shit! Vlad exists in a quantum state!

  695. 8man April 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177965
    [quote=”lizbethrose”]James, I’m supremely sorry you had such a horrendous time in Seattle. (I don’t particularly like the city, but that’s beside the point.) I’m surprised you weren’t able to find water. First, because summer of 2011 was so rainy and cold all over the state small farmers lost crops and we weren’t able to grow anything in our backyard garden. If you”re ever in that situation again, go into a public building, find a water fountain, and fill up your canteen. You can use the potty while you’re there, as well. Some of them even have showers, since Seattle is a bicycle city.
    Seattle tried to establish public toilets, but they became centers for both drug trade and prostitution and were shut down. They’d been placed in the main area frequented by pan-handlers and the avowed homeless. The idea was well meant, but the people it tried to help shot it down.
    Both Pav and I have offered you a place to live and a job. That you have refused both says an awful lot about you, doesn’t it?[/quote]
    The Ape Answers:
    Just give him cash, sl+t, just give him money without asking questions ok ? who cares if “you work hard for your money”, I hate you and your “hard work”, I want your cash for free, I like freeloaders, I like robbing cash from people who “work hard” for their cash, I like the fight, the contrast, give me all your cash slob, you turd, etc. No morality here, no “justice” here, it is just me and my desires and my will power against yours, and I want to win like a cry baby, who cares if I am wrong and “if everyone were like you the entire society would fall apart”, that is what I want, I want to win, that’s all, you work and be my slave, I want all your cash. After all, this is exactly what Capitalism, the Free Market and all the right wing “hard work” mentality is all about even though they put it upside down and always blame the workers and those that are doing the real “hard work” as being freeloaders and lazy and wanting the union and such (but who cares, I hate right and wrong dicotomies and morality and people and all things social and political).
    And then those right Wing Thugs that always chant about their hard work think they are saying something new and interesting and important: this BS of their Hard Work is just them saying “Oh look how egotistical I am, how I want to keep it all for myself and want to feel smug and morally correct and justified” and all such crap, they think they are expressing something intelligent and important when they are just expressing their basic turdy instinct, the Man Brain at its worst being a thug and fighting, they are expressing the stupidest and the oldest fashion concept, I want mine, I am better than you, I don’t want to give you all my stuff for free because I “worked hard” for it, what turds, just punch them in the face and take it away from them, the turds, they want theirs, kill their morality, their idea of correct, their idea of “Objective Laws”, the slaves, be a thug and criminal, no refrain anymore, just let it All Hang Out.
    Please all freeloaders, rob the cash from all those hard working thugs, beat them up, kill morality, don’t be afraid, just be honest with yourself.
    Be Wrong and always be on the Wrong Side, make fun of them and their logic and all, try to win losers…
    The basis is always A against B, A says the opposite of B, A fights B, A as opposed to B, but both A and B are defined accordingly, are only reciprocally defined and exist only as the opposite of the other, there is no stable middle ground, no objective reference system, the two are each other’s reference system and as such are equivalent and both wrong or right (no absolute here, no solution here, no Truth here as truth can’t exist when the two items are reciprocally defined and as they can be combined in one item made up of two items, the one item is just a quirk, an arbitrary design, an arbitrary turd, a useless random chaotic piece of crap and piece of nothing and having no meaning and no value, etc.), only the stronger force wins by sheer force and power.

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  696. mika. April 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    What you said above is correct, but it doesn’t answer my questions to you:
    Who?
    Why?
    When?
    I already know that almost everyone here is in denial when it comes to this subject. What I’m curious about, does this also apply to you, K-DOG? I’m assuming you read Carroll Quigley. I’m assuming you read Anthony Sutton. I’m assuming you that you managed to put two and two together and that you’ve managed to form an intelligent opinion. Am I assuming too much, K-DOG?

  697. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    That’s good news and big relief to me WIDESPREAD. It is so good to know. I thought we were actually running out of oil but now I know it was just my imagination and there is nothing to worry about. Do you know how much we were getting from IRAN? Well never mind, it really doesn’t matter. If the Saudis can make up the shortage this time that means they can do so forever, right?
    And good to know that 12 trillion has been doled out to the banks and wall street since 2008. That works out to about $40,000 for every man woman and child in the country. Some of that should be trickling down to us soon right? With that much money some of it has to I would think.
    Such a nice sunny day outside. I think I should fill up and do some happy motoring. I like to let my ears flop in the wind.

  698. tegmark April 13, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    read the blog, all of it:
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
    and
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
    THE EIGHT MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN
    and read all of nameta9 post on http://www.ilovephilosophy.com, inside out, very carefully, you have your “Hard Work” cut out for you, and study it all very carefully….

  699. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

    My attempt at a joke – on the order of Batman and Robin. Zimmerman wasn’t the only one who monitored the neighborhood. We’ll just have to wait and see what his side of the story is. Let the media circus begin. I don’t think he meant to kill the boy, but Martin is dead.
    Where is the Hispanic community on this? Silent, I guess, because of the meme that Zimmerman was white. According to Gary Gibson, editor of Whiskey and Gunpowder, spent a large part of his youth in that part of Florida. Apparently it’s (North of Orlando) a pretty racist place. Gary Gibson is black, btw.

  700. messianicdruid April 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    “No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us.”
    I empower myself, and refuse the offered protection, therefore only the lawless need fear me.

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  701. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm #

    Careful bout how you talk of my dad!

  702. xhalor April 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    Bad dog…
    http://www.maniacworld.com/dogs-vs-car.html

  703. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    according to Gary Gibson ^who spent a large art of his youth ^in Florida.

  704. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    While we’re gossiping about Travon, I heard that the word “coon” was used during the altercation. It was either that or “goon”. No one under 40 says coon anymore, and both Travon and Zimmerman we’re well under 40. Guess I’ll spend this summer glued to the t.v. watching the trial, just like with O.J. My, the more things change the more things they stay the same. (Geez, I hope they WILL put it on t.v.!)

  705. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    we’re should have been were…damn grammar police!

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  706. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    More on Zimmerman: http://forbezdvd.com/cod.php?v=MjA1MDE

  707. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    “Zimmerman observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police.”
    Blacks have gated communities too. They are called “prisons”. JOKE!

  708. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    They got it wrong on O.J.
    He was innocent.

  709. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    So was Pontious Pilate…never did a thing to Jesus. Next you’ll be defending Jack the Ripper…and Albert DeSalvo, no wait, they were white so they must have done it! C’mon, Asoka, let it go already!

  710. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Who:
    Well the Skull and Bones has to be part of it but I’m not really big on conspiracy theories. Their importance can be overemphasized. The idea has been to set up autonomous units each of which functions independently of the others. Most of these are called corporations. To really answer your question definitively one would have to ‘follow the money’ and I’m not equipped to do that.
    Why:
    Those who have power do not want to share it. They want to keep everything for themselves. That is easy to answer.
    When:
    In one form or another the process has been going on for hundreds and thousands of years. I think the Disciple Paul started the last round, a thread of which continues to this day. At one time the church was deeply involved. Power shifted to capitalism and ‘old money’ with the industrial revolution.
    Regardless, any replacement must be done so an ‘Animal Farm’ (George Orwell) scenario does not repeat the problem. The system I have in mind would prevent that from happening and secrecy would be impossible.
    But enough from me. What do you think?

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  711. k-dog April 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    I LOVE IT !!!!! WOOF

  712. ozone April 13, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    “No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us.”
    -Q.
    I emphatically agree. ‘Round here, we call ’em “little hitlers”. I believe them to be given a deference and respect far beyond what their [supposed] judgement would be deserving of. Go to Amsterdam and you’ll see police who understand the responsibility and limits of their jobs. Eminently worthy of respect, from what I’ve seen.

  713. ozone April 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    Thank you for the germane and pithy post.
    Salut!

  714. ozone April 13, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Almost, X!
    He exists only as an empty shell/avatar to be filled with his Masters’ corrupt dreams of domination and obfuscation. A fragile vessel, but useful for the nonce. ;o)

  715. ozone April 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    “Who?
    Why?
    When?”
    Ah, Mikey, Mikey, Mikey… [shaking head and sighing]
    We don’t provide the secret clues, names and dates for gum’mint trolls. You’ll have to find these things out from your usual channels: Vatican siths, whores, scruffy drug addicts, and former “insiders” (who don’t actually have any actionable current info, but just need $ for a fix). In future, please try and earn your pay and milk your wobbly sources whose only interest is the baksheesh you dole out.
    K-dog did an excellent job of throwing you off of the scent with some generalizations. Specifics are what you get pay, food and shelter for. Get busy or get fired…

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  716. vacuum April 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Debt forgiveness is the way out of this mess.
    If it is done outright it is very corrosive to social cohesion especially in a society soaked in envy.
    So it will be done stealthily through inflation.
    This is easy to do and has been done many times before.
    There is still enough oil to avoid a collapse.
    The US is not even drilling in all possible places
    in its own territory. So the situation cannot be that bad.
    There are vast quantities of heavy oil in Venezuela and these deposits are believed to extend south, as yet unexplored.
    As you have surely noticeed the methods of propaganda and conditioning have been much refined since Josef Goebbels and technology has spread it into every corner of the subconscious.
    There will therefore be no revolution.
    Such a revolution could only happen many years after the end of electricity when the TVs have fallen silent.
    I do not think even the most pessimistic among you see that happen anytime soon.

  717. ozone April 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    “There are vast quantities of heavy oil in Venezuela and these deposits are believed to extend south, as yet unexplored.” -V
    As certain as you are about this, I am equally as certain that them’uns that have this black gold ‘neath their soils would just luuuuuuuv to exchange it for specious paper promises from the good ol’ FUSA treasury! (Mmm, mebbe not.)
    I do agree that any “uprising” is predicated on the empty bellies of children… those under our very roofs, not those “Help us help them now, won’t you?” examples on the fat-n-happy teevee.
    Now back to our show…

  718. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Bravo K Dog, now you are on the right track. Blacks get profiled more and more harshly becacuse they commit the most crimes by a country mile.

  719. Vlad Krandz April 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    And it wasn’t a gated community anyway. Asoka is wrong about everything so he might as well get that wrong too.

  720. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 8:15 pm #

    K-Dog, some congressmen promote meditation.
    What is your experience with meditation and would you be mindful as President?

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  721. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    That was unkind of you Vlad, and unwarranted. You know I am not wrong about everything.

  722. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    The legal affadavits filed with the court stated that it was a gated community.
    The question still remains: how did a hoodie and a pack of Skittles pose a mortal threat to a seemingly large Zimmerman at 250 pounds, in comparison to the 140 pound young Martin, who was a minor.

  723. Buck Stud April 13, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Another excellent post which demonstrates why you’re such a valuable contributor/correspondent of the CFN community.
    Keep em coming Asoka and pay no heed to your detractors: Many of us truly appreciate your posts.

  724. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    Thank you, Buck Stud.
    I know I have many fans. Those who are not fans do not bother me.
    When someone makes a criticism, there are two possibilities: 1) they are right and have therefore done me a favor, or 2) they are wrong and can be ignored. In no case is upset or anger warranted.

  725. Buck Stud April 13, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    ” Its out of anyone’s hands now, least of all George Zimmerman. Bet he wishes he never got out of bed that morning let alone left his house with a gun.”
    Fuck George Zimmerman’s regrets and laments; I’ll bet Trayvon Martin regrets getting out of bed that morning.

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  726. Buck Stud April 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Kyoo,
    Actually, I have made no comments whatsoever on this case previous to my response a few moments ago to Bustin J.

  727. mika. April 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Asoka,
    I just want to echo what Buck is saying. We have our MANY differences, but the attempt to silence people is a disgusting nazi instinct. It is a totalitarian anti-democratic instinct to be reviled, and condemned in the strongest terms. Lies and misconceptions must be exposed through open and democratic discussion. Nazis like “EL TORO”, and “ANTI”, and others, that constantly tell people to shut up, are just that, nazis.

  728. xhalor April 13, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    “I know I have many fans…”
    Dibs on the T-Shirt concession.
    http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Juniors-David-Bowie-Watch-That-Man-Posters_i8057628_.htm

  729. mika. April 13, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    We don’t provide the secret clues, names and dates for gum’mint trolls.
    ==
    I’m not afraid of gum’mint trolls. They need to be educated too. So pay attention, you might get some free education. That is, a little de-programming from your gum’mint propaganda might do you some good.

  730. Buck Stud April 13, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    And even more amazing is the hand-wringing from those on the right over the cost of Obamacare – two trillion over ten years according to biased right-wing estimates.
    Having a little chuckle to myself, I wonder how many Daniel Boone “Home, Home On The Range ” types, despite their disdain of modern medicine, are seeking physician referrals in order to grab a fake hip or knee before ” The End Of The World As We Know It” hits the shit fan.
    Anything to ‘make it through the bottleneck’eh Watson? (Another beauty from the Doomer Cliche archives).

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  731. mika. April 13, 2012 at 9:36 pm #

    But enough from me. What do you think?
    ==
    Yes, Skull & Bones is just the tip of iceberg, so to speak. The conspiracy is very large. It is very deep. It is very powerful. And it is very old.
    JFK, born to a Vatican connected family, had somewhat of a clue concerning this. But obviously he and his brother underestimated the ruthlessness of his killers.
    And you’re right about Paul of Tarsus. He was a Roman spy. He wasn’t a Jew, as he claimed to be. He worked as a prosecutor of Jews for the Roman installed Sadducee High Priest. Hyam Maccoby wrote some very excellent books concerning Paul of Tarsus, and the other lies in the Roman Bible. But you’re right, Paul of Tarsus is just one in a very very long history of lies and deceptions. A savage multi-millennial conspiracy for power.

  732. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Yup, the one thing we need more of in this country is coal smoke — good ol’ American red, white and black-lung coal.
    ==================
    And which country would this country be? Ecuador or Brazil? One can never be sure where allegiance lies.

  733. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    where ^your^ allegiance lies.

  734. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    a very very long history of lies and deceptions. A savage multi-millennial conspiracy for power.
    ================
    Wow!! A conspiracy still going strong after 2000 or more years. That tops Hancock’s and Wage’s delusions by a looooong shot. You should take up a life of crime because if you were ever caught you’d have no problem getting off on an insanity plea.

  735. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Actually, I have made no comments whatsoever on this case previous to my response a few moments ago to Bustin J.
    ============
    No? Well, I know where your heart lies. I must have anticipated your response to Bust. I’ll try to be more careful with my accusations in the future.

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  736. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Yes, the conspiracy began quite a few years before, even you, were born, Q. You see, it all started out with a multi-celled organism. Seems that this multi-celled organism had it out for all of the other organisms that had more cells than it had. And so, the conspiracy began. Killing off lesser organisms led on and on to bigger and better things. Next thing you know, it’s 1963, and JFK is killed due to a multi-celled organism which had it in for another multi-celled organism (Kennedy). The pattern fits! Mika and Asoka are right! IT’S ALL A CONSPIRACY! AND THE VATICAN IS BEHIND…ALL OF IT…as are ALL white people, people who are rich, people who are Jewish, people who are Gentiles, African tribes, Hindu tribes…DEAR GOD! HOW COULD WE ALL HAVE BEEN SO BLIND? I weep for what’s left of mankind. Oh and AIDS was a conspiracy, too. Ronald Reagan dreamt that one up. You see, he had plenty of nap time in which to dream.

  737. mika. April 13, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Save your idiotic sarcasm for your idiot friends, Q. That is, if you have any friends. Because I doubt that a nudnik like you has any friends.
    Anyway, these things work themselves through secret societies, institutions, gov mafia and “non-gov” mafia agencies, etc.
    Alan Watt: “Cutting Through The Matrix”
    http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/audio.html

  738. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    It’s bad enough that Trayvon had to be black while walking in a white neighborhood. Did he HAVE to be wearing a f.cking HOODIE too? A message to all black parents: Please don’t let your children out wearing f.cking HOODIES! SOB! 🙁

  739. mika. April 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    You too, Dostoevsky, might want to listen to them podcasts:
    Alan Watt: “Cutting Through The Matrix”
    http://CUTTINGTHROUGHTHEMATRIX.COM/AUDIO.HTML

  740. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    I think he meant Columbia…oops…Colombia. He has several homes (mud huts) throughout the world. He really does need to be more specific about which country he’s bitching about though. Why, he hates America so much, he rejects getting Social Security payments…oops again…he doesn’t hate America THAT much. He’s still collecting! Let’s all just be grateful that he left America…and continues to suck on the U.S. tit far away from us. VIVA COLUMBIA!

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  741. Vlad Kramps April 13, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    “Thank you, Buck Stud. I know I have many fans. ”
    No, thank YOU, Asoka, for allowing your followers on CFN to read, once again, your unmitigating, useless, nonsensical horseshit for another day. Jesus, maybe Michael Jackson isn’t really dead after all.

  742. anti soak April 13, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    VK, My Dad was higher up in NYPD, even working with President of USA when he visited NYC.
    He said that 35 years ago!!!
    You have ‘Bell Curve’, you have read about their
    old school admissions tests, before equality and dumbing down.
    Kyoostik, my position on Treyvon case is
    1….why didnt trey call 911
    2….since Jorge Z did call 911, its doubtful it was premeditated murder.
    Who struck the first blow is the big question.

  743. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    The question still remains: how did a hoodie and a pack of Skittles pose a mortal threat
    ============
    I grow weary of the Skittles dodge. It is an irrelevancy. To fuel the outrage of the black community and sell the airtime and newsprint of the left-wing media, the warm and fuzzy pack of Skittles story was like manna from heaven…oh and the Iced Tea (or as 9 out of 10 people like to say, Ice Tea)…God forbid it had been a can of Red Bull. For ChristSake, Lt. Calley might have been packing Tootsie Rolls over in My Lai for all we know. The point is the kid was unarmed, not his preference in candy. The thing that annoys is that you know all this Asoka, yet you stoop to the use of the irrelevant. You’re clever that way.

  744. asoka. April 13, 2012 at 11:11 pm #

    The point is the kid was unarmed…
    Thanks, Q, for highlighting that he was a kid, a child, by law a minor of age.

  745. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    Kyoostik, my position on Treyvon case is
    ==============
    Come on Anti, it’s Kyooshtik and it’s Trayvon. Are you actually that unobservant or do you just not give a shit?

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  746. Kyooshtik April 13, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    Thanks, Q, for highlighting that he was a kid, a child, by law a minor of age.
    ==============
    You’re welcome…however, note this from Wikipedia:
    “Some states, including Florida, have passed laws allowing a person who commits an extremely heinous crime such as murder to be tried as an adult, regardless of age.”
    Had the tables been turned and Zimmerman been killed Trayvon being under 18 would not have counted for much. There is a case somewhere right now where an eleven year old is being tried as an adult.
    Nice segue though off the Skittles issue I raised. I would have expected nothing less. One might say that a deft changing of the subject is your shtick.

  747. Buck Stud April 14, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    … “Nefarious K.Y.O.” is psychic – knock me over with a feather 🙂

  748. Bustin J April 14, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    kayopektate said, “…Bustin (is) convinced it was a race based murder.”
    Not me, I think its impossible to know. However, it probably was a little bit, just judging by the apparent overwhelming factor it appears to play in everyday life for people in the region.
    Pahaedrus said, “…as a Millennial, it really adequately expresses how to deal with all this mess with least amount of suffering:
    ‘It is not a man’s duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong…'”
    …and the gutless ignorance of the New Lost Generation shows its colors. Back to the basement with you!

  749. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    “Trayvon was suspicious for walking home in the dark … and the hoodie didn’t help either.”
    How dare *ANYONE* walk out after sunset!!! GHAD forbid!
    And how dare *ANYONE* for wearing a hat/hood *in the rain*.
    At best, Q – very feeble argument.
    “… Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs, The Man of La Sanford.”
    The wannabe cop was literally stalking his neighborhood in a truck, with gun at hand. That is sooo disturbing. I can’t imagine what I’d do, if that fucking prick came up behind me on a rainy night, in his truck, slowly following me (with a spotlight?) for a couple blocks…
    But it does beg the question – whuz his cellphone *hands-free*?!?

  750. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    Or better yet, whuz the threat of *dadddy* supreme court justice from Virginia (BOING! Not Alaska/South Dakota/Rhode Island/MADEMYPOINTYET?), turned *lawyer*, a threat they knew they shouldn’t fuel?!…

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  751. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 1:33 am #

    LOL!!! Yeah, I know – *these fucking punks* always get away with it!!! Haha, yeah – walking down the sidewalk, talking on their cellphones – fucking punks.

  752. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 1:38 am #

    My call:
    The defense will try to dismiss judge after judge. When that no longer works, they’ll try that *stand your ground* horse-shit. When that doesn’t work (as you are obviously not standing your ground, when you stalk someone in a car for a few blocks, then ignore the cops when they tell you NOT TO INTERFERE, and continue to hunt your prey on-foot with a gun), they’ll plea to manslaughter (10 years?).

  753. Bustin J April 14, 2012 at 1:40 am #

    Olde Six-Nine said “Hate Nature Busty, use it as a tool, the dam creates electricity that is good for people, the greens don’t like people, they like an imaginary clown in the sky called Nature…”
    This is called fallacy of Poisoning the Well.
    I’m coming back to this to refine my argument, namely, that Nature’s value is not as a means to and end, but an end in itself. It is predicate to our whole system of science and logic, even the drugs that probably keep you alive. It is necessary and vital.
    Within our cultural paradigm, we seek a rationale to evaluate everything, and economics are usually used to justify using and abusing nature. Economics seems to dominate this particular age, not art, or even science. We are all programmed extensively from a young age to regard it as the penultimate source of value and necessity.
    So as you strain to make your point, lets be clear, you are suggesting that we continue disrespecting nature, continue harassing and destroying it, and should pursue this course of action in spite of its actual value and necessity to all involved.
    Presumably all those who currently depend on and value nature will be compensated for the loss of those services nature provides in the course of your program? Necessarily. Because otherwise who would realise what you are suggesting is that man use technology to take away clean air and water, ecosystems and animals so that it can deliver us the means with which to accumulate more paper money.
    Further, he says “Function, any Social Meaning and Morality, they are nothing at all….”
    Forget your fallacious and circular reasoning, your absurdity, and your amateur and incompetent philosophy: this is the ultimate proof you are a chiseler: you “Throw the Baby out with the Bath Water”.
    Basically your whole argument collapses to nutshell: “Our way of life is not negotiable”.
    Everyone has a conflict of interest when the call for sacrifice is made, and everyone’s test before God, Yahweh, or Mullah Omar is not coming at the end of their lives, but tomorrow. I have no confidence in Man, it is true, I am a pessimist.

  754. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 1:43 am #

    Had the tables been turned
    You mean if Zimmerman had the Skittles and Martin had the gun?
    Martin would have been immediately charged with first degree murder, denied bailed, strip searched, drug-tested, and probably had the shit beat out of him for being Black. The stand your ground law would never have come up.

  755. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    “WALL OF POAST*
    Seriously, you’re gunna feed the skyscraper troll?

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  756. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 2:04 am #

    “strip searched, drug-tested”
    That happened the first-way around. Plz, guy – be a bit more *original* next time around – and *GOOD DAY*!

  757. Bustin J April 14, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    Welles said “name one resource that’s ever been exhausted. (i know of only one insignificant one).”
    This is actually easier than it looks. Think extinct animals. And don’t move the target. e.g., Whales in the 1800s were exhausted- not oil lamp fuel alternatives.
    Sweet, light crude is an increasingly scare resource.
    Da penguins in Antarctica were deprived of an ozone shield- because Ozone was exhausted by all of our chlorine.
    On Easter Island, trees were exhausted. Then food, then other people.
    The Passenger pigeon. They spread seeds and fertiliser far and wide. Americans didn’t realise all the fecundity of their soils were enriched by bird droppings. The bird was shot and eaten. The supply was “Exhausted”. Shortly thereafter the thing to fertilise with was bat guano. It was all found and exhausted.
    According to Asoka’s research the US “hospitality” industries exhausted their options in local “documented workers” at which point they hired illegals, committing a crime, and then deprived their American employees $54 a year. What a bunch of chiselers.

  758. IxNoMor April 14, 2012 at 3:34 am #

    Well, at least now, you only *fed* asoka…
    We are so screwed – not only by the *SOCK PUPPET ARMY*, but by our *VERY OWN ACTIONS*.

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  760. antai6776 April 14, 2012 at 4:21 am #

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  761. tegmark April 14, 2012 at 5:51 am #

    Imagination…
    Lingering on, the past events or experiences or meanings, the past lifestyles or life stories linger on in the mind and set the tone, the past events, many distinct add up or separate, and you remember them and feel good or bad because you remember the value they had in other people’s mind, their judgment (or imaginary judgment that you can never know, or maybe will never know, or no one will ever know because all events are eventually forgotten, disappear, they never were, if only for a short time in reciprocal “common world based” minds interacting through messages and such). But disconnect the events from the feelings, mix them up, get confused, make it all up, make believe, who cares and who knows and such.
    So the Brain, the Man Brain imagines another possible design for itself, a chunk of Matter is trying to imagine “Itself” differently, styled differently, made up of different sub blocks, a different wiring diagram for the brain, a different schematic of the Mind circuits, etc. A Mind imagining itself with different circuits and trying to imagine what could happen in those different circuits: but the very act of imagining them creates them, the Instant Singularity (that act of sticking wild stuff in brains (whose brain then ? yours ? mine ? the other’s ? no brain ? all brains ?) by cracking open the skull and just Doing It in order to create a new Man Brain, hence Experience, hence Universe with New Laws of Physics and such) is the thought itself of the singularity, it self creates itself, it explores what it could be, it is a self observing, self referential system self creating itself, at ever higher abstract levels and connecting the feelings, emotions and sentiment circuits and all other kinds of wacky circuits in any way at all, etc.
    But just imagine that there is no possible other kind of brain, all possible new connections have been tried out physically and the end result is that they do nothing, they are just dead, they die and such. Imagine that all of this talk of modifying the brains is vain, as it cannot be modified in any possible way, it is what we have or it isn’t at all, end of story (aside from the fact that you will never (?) know (or just make up what happens or whatever) since you would have to try out all of the combinations of new brains and live with that brain and see what happens and such).
    Ok, then, but then the very fact that I can imagine new designs of brains, the very fact that I can invent and make up new designs and create new circuits in my brain and mind means that it can be done and is done and can be assigned, only that it can be done only abstractly, theoretically, it can be forced only from higher levels of the brain functions, the mental – symbolic – abstract circuits of the brain creates new brains, that simply means that physical manipulation is off limits also because not needed, that is simply not the path to achieve the Instant Singularity, you simply need to assign it in your mind, and as you assign it becomes real as the content of your mind assumes – creates – invents and programs the new circuits if even only imagined, but imagined circuits are really manipulating the real circuits, have some effect on the real circuits, so this demonstrates that the Instant Singularity is real and can be created in trillions of different ways, all of the possible ways to imagine new Minds that become new real Minds and such. A new big bang, just make it all up, imagine it, lie to yourself, lying is the best invention possible, fake it out, fake is real.
    And even if all of the above is false, who cares, assign it as true anyways, don’t give a damn about real and fake, true and false, right and wrong or good and bad, win anyways, like a cry baby you win! you win! I win! force it, just force it and cheat on yourself and reality, kill the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, Be God, BE YOUR OWN BOSS. AMEN.
    THE APE MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  762. tegmark April 14, 2012 at 5:55 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834

  763. zsx1988x9x5 April 14, 2012 at 6:14 am #

    Sac à dos Louis Vuitton avec le nouveau monogramme pour Printemps/Été 2012

    21 décembre 2011 in Sac · 0 Comments – 262 vue(s)

    On avait déjà vu des backpacks Louis Vuitton au dos des Usher, Pharrell, Kanye West et compagnie mais jusqu’ici assez “basiques”. Pour sa collection printemps/été 2012, ce que nous propose la luxueuse maison française est ce jolie sac rectangulaire de cuir, canvas et nylon et décoré sur la façade du sans doute nouveau motif monogramme de la marque pour cette saison. On trouve plusieurs sangles décoratives dont la principale sur le haut de ce bagage pour l’ouverture/fermeture et non pour accueillir un sac de couchage, bon peut-être un Quechua…

    Via.

  764. Widespreadpanic7 April 14, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Well said once again BustinJ, but, for Christ sake, you’re just encouraging him!
    WSP7

  765. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    We are so screwed – not only by the *SOCK PUPPET ARMY*, but by our *VERY OWN ACTIONS*.
    Yeah, like when Q double posts. Then he sends another post apologizing for double posting. Then someone comments that apologizing for double posting only makes it a triple post, and now a quadruple post.
    You are part of the sock puppet army, Ixnomor. By complaining about sock puppets you only make it worse.

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  766. anti soak April 14, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    In answer to the question posed, the latter.
    Now a question, did you have a black mother?
    Since when do white ones give such difficult to pronounce and spell, names?
    Also I dont care how Treyvon is spelled.
    Go to TakiMag and read ‘A Treyvon by any other name’.
    His Mom has an odd’Y’ in her name.

  767. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    The shooter was not Black. He was released without being drug tested or strip searched. Pay attention. We are doing something different and original at Q’s suggestion.

  768. 8man April 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    Infinite Number of Lives ?
    There are many more “Dead people” (an infinite amount of Dead People, the Universe is a Cemetery) than alive people as in anything at all (the pebble, the cloud, the car, the car spark plug, the car seat etc.) that is not a person can be assigned as a “Dead” person since any dead person and any other chunk of matter that isn’t a person is equally “Dead”, are having the “same experience” (that is No Experience (?) if we think we know (?)), non existent, at least from our point of view and what we can fanthom and such.
    But so the opposite is also true: any combination of elements that can be combined to produce a living brain with a given memory, with given “memories”, as in “memories of life past” can be a “New person”, a “new Creation”, you can create a new life and life story, and life just assigning a chunk of matter to be equivalent to a given person, just combine the atoms to make person A (included the body and environment and other people who remember the same memories and the same exact environment (Synchronized Matter ?), so that the person who is plugged as alive instantly couldn’t tell the difference if it all came to be the last few seconds or actually lived many years as his memory configuration and environment suggest: in other words, you could be an instantaneous creation of some Alien race making you come alive only in the last few seconds, but you can never notice and such).
    So then just take a Man Brain in a good simulation and assign it a life, a past life (just assign the memories of a life and you created a new person completely with all of his past history, just like simply assigning a random variable in a computer program, exactly what the simulation would actually do, just plug in a number and create a new life, no need for the life to have actually evolved from baby to man through time, the end result is the same, just a quick assignment, just a quick instantaneous combination of atoms creating the person on the fly and such), you create a new person, trillions of new people come alive, the possibility of inventing new people on the spot, in a jiffy, complete new lives, but many more than trillions as life stories and events and the history of the emotional and experience rollercoaster can be so many more than trillions, exponents of exponents as in 10 different memories slots or life events organized in 50 different ways and each associated to 50 different hard wired emotions, or manipulated emotions and feelings, or random choices (as the alien race could intervene and manipulate the lives and reciprocal lives of people to test out many new combinations and such) such as (10 ^ 50) ^ 50 and so on, you get the drift.
    So there are an unknown number of lives and living people and life stories possible (even your own with slight variations or big variations, all the combinations, try out various event histories or hard wire them, assign them, leave some slots free to random forces (and other random free wills) and other slots as forced and hard wired to go in a certain direcion and such).
    Everything is both a gigantic cemetery of an infinite number of Dead People and a gigantic Maternity Ward of an infinite number of New People Created On the Spot, or city with potential lives, everything you see can be a life story, the life of a person, everything can be assigned and denotated, an indirection meaning a history or life story, everything can be an emotional story, or an emotion or feeling, the road, the highways the sign are all parts of an emotion or life history, but not as you would imagine but as indirect symbols, as denotations as abstractions, trillions of new possibilities, incredible contraptions and such. So the highway is the history of a person but that person’s Man Brain is the pebble and the car seat and the ocean wave combined and such, go on invent it, make it all up, who cares. And this is just counting our traditional view, but what if you insert into the memories of man brains any crazy pattern, any old pattern like a pattern of rocks on mountains or grass in the backyard or a forest configuration and then see what possible life story that new memory pattern could represent ? and even disjoint lives, incoherent or partially coherent lives, and all other things imaginable and so on ?
    Everything you see can be a pattern of memories in a modified Man Brain corresponding to a new person a new creation, the back seat of the car plus the McMansion plus the old TV all put together can be a new pattern inserted in a memory of Man Brain creating a new person, a new life, a New Creation and such.
    THE APE MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  769. 8man April 14, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    And
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
    OK, OK

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  770. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    There are many more “Dead people” (an infinite amount of Dead People, the Universe is a Cemetery) than alive people…
    This is not a problem. Dead people can be baptized by the Mormons.
    Willard Romney has baptized dead people, many dead people. They can be baptized in mass.
    You don’t need even one second to baptize a dead person, or even one second to love someone either. You can love in mass also. Jesus did.
    There is no limit to the number of people you can love.

  771. Kyooshtik April 14, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    “……these things work themselves through secret societies, institutions, gov mafia and “non-gov” mafia agencies…….”
    ===========
    ……he continued to mutter, seemingly in delirium, as the men in white coats laced him into a straightjacket, and drove off with him in their innocuous white van bearing the name Greystone discreetly lettered on the doors.
    As he stared slack-jawed through the small wire mesh covered rear windows the men in white coats speculated, chuckling, whether Mika would ever again see the inside of the halfway house.

  772. Kyooshtik April 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    They can be baptized in mass…You can love in mass also.
    ===============
    en masse

  773. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    “It was really shocking and deeply disturbing that the United States government so instantly recognized the former dictatorship coming back again. …

    from The Long, Hot March of Climate Change
    You can be thousands of miles away with the sea rising around your feet but if you interrupt status-quObama’s golf game watch out. Opposition to the totalitarian state and the non-negotiable way of life has a cost, a cost which could be your life. I hope the dogcatcher doesn’t get me.
    Ah one ah two ah three. All together now paws over the heart and sing. I’m proud to be an American.
    The sock puppet army marches on.

  774. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    The Long, Hot March of Climate Change
    There that’s better.

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  775. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    “You are part of the sock puppet army, Ixnomor.”
    Hard to deny that, as I’ve already admitted, I have 2 aliases.
    However, both are variants of “Ixn” and very easily identifiable as *me*. I don’t have 5+ different personalities (the 2 accounts are the [mistaken/poor]result of 2 different OS’s).

  776. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    OMG, LOL!!! Slack-JaweD, inDEED!!! That sh!t whuz funny.

  777. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    “Pay attention.”
    Were the mormons casting incantations on the *corpse*, as they stripped it and tested it for drugs?
    Zzz…
    Liek I already stated, after 6 months-3 years of deliberation/delays, they will plead manslaughter (10 years? I heard mandatory 20 years for firing gun in FL). Standing your ground is never going to fly, not when you’re spending many minutes stalking, and then ignoring police who told you to stand down…
    Which reminds me – my *6 MPG* ’71 charger needs to stand up on two rear wheels again soon…

  778. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    “Were the mormons casting incantations on the *corpse*, as they stripped it and tested it for drugs?”
    Hymn 43
    Oh father high in heaven – smile down upon your son
    whose busy with his money games – his women and his gun.
    Oh Jesus save me!
    And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three
    and made his name in Hollywood
    to set the white man free.
    Oh Jesus save me!
    If Jesus saves – well, He’d better save Himself
    from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
    Oh Jesus save me!
    I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon
    His cross was rather bloody
    He could hardly roll His stone.
    Oh Jesus save me!

  779. Tancred April 14, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    …then ignore the cops when they tell you NOT TO INTERFERE,
    I think in the transcript of the 911 call I read the operator said “We don’t need you to do that.” That is a lot more ambiguous than the purported direct orders to not interfere. Furthermore, I don’t know how much legal authority a 911 operator actually has. Do they represent the police department? Are they officers themselves? Anyway, now it looks like the first judge is going to recuse herself for having a conflict of interest.
    Talk about a legal clussterfuck…

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  780. tegmark April 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    APESTER (JOBSTER – LOBSTER)
    Busty says:
    “Within our cultural paradigm, we seek a rationale to evaluate everything, and economics are usually used to justify using and abusing nature. Economics seems to dominate this particular age, not art, or even science. We are all programmed extensively from a young age to regard it as the penultimate source of value and necessity.”
    Apester replies:
    Howdy folks ! The Apester is back again! As far as the Economic Principle being the unifying value of a society, the God and Religion of a society, just like “Education” and “Studying” is kind of the Religion of South Korea, well, all societies need large scale Narratives, large scale Numbers to measure themselves, they all need some common ground in which everyone believes in, thinks about, in which they all are “Part of Something” and such: our society has a Number the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) and similar numbers and statistics (a lot of them dealing with Cash, Money and such, like Unemployment, the “Economy” and such) that unify all thought and values and goals and targets and creates an imaginary “Collective Result” a “Collective Achievment”, an “Aggregation of Result” (we are all soldiers marching on and winning the war of GDP), in the form of statistics and numbers in which to compare countries with other countries to see “Who is Doing Better” and such.
    But anyone looking at this number and this value from the outside will immediately see what a joke it actually is: a number representing all transactions in a society and assigned as a GDP and meaning how rich a society is and such. I can easily envision of Civilization a few decades from now not even able to understand what all the fuss was about, what exactly was being measured, what it could possibly mean, what use it had, they would conclude that GDP and the Economy and all the statistics were just another fluke Religion, like so many inventions of Man, a religion that is a joke made up of clowns and such, etc. The abstraction of the GDP is one of highest possible, add all kinds of different things together and call it a number and yet since elementary school they always taught us not to add apples and oranges and such.
    But the Man Brain and a society need something to tie itself together, need common ground meanings and targets and understandings and such: and the Economy and all of its BS is one of those Major Elements of our Civilization, the Rich and Poor, the Unemployment, the “Jobs” (another total joke as in no one ever asks exactly what activities people should do for 8 hours a day everyday and be paid for, exactly what kinds of things must be done that should be done that already hasn’t been done ? None at all, and in fact Jobs are destined to become extinct just like all of our other substructures and ideas and concepts and all).
    But alas, Man is the Infinitely Programmable Machine, anything goes, he can become anything, invent anything, assign anything and it is all ok as long as it lasts, which it won’t because nothing can last forever and such.
    A person I know just came back from GERMANY and said that they have very little unemployment (maybe all the jobs the Southern European countries lost went to Germany ?), kids come out of high school and have many job offerings and such. And in general, the Northern European Countries (Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway) all have perfect economies, all have jobs and all works well and such while the Southern European countries, Italy, Portugal Spain all suck with high unemployment and such. This got me thinking: the Southern countries are “insecure”, people in these places do not trust each other, they tend to hike up prices of Real Estate a lot, they have conflicts in work and jobs, they like to fight and conflict, they suck where as the northern countries do not have conflicts, they agree on common grounds, they are not as insecure and they don’t need real estate as much in order to feel secure and such.
    But this is only because the Northern countries have an established society where everyone does what needs to be done without conflict, they hire people even if they don’t need them just to keep society fluid, they have a lot of subtle flexibilities within their societies, they are not insecure and the people trust each other, there is a lot of trust whereas in the South they all mistrust each other, everyone feels as if the next guy is going to rip him off, they have many legal cases, conflicts fights, etc.
    So you see,a society can self program itself in any possible way, you just need to be sure everyone plays ball in the same way, they are all on the same page and such.
    THIS APESTER WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN TEN SECONDS (Background music of Mission Impossible plays… Da Da Do Do Da Da Du Du…)

  781. mika. April 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Actually, Q, the US is the biggest fucking insane asylum in the world. The place is so fucked up, it’s hard to know where to begin with that clusterfuck. Anyway, given that you live in the US and consider it normal, and I don’t, says much about your mental health as compared to mine.

  782. Kyooshtik April 14, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    THIS APESTER WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN TEN SECONDS
    =============
    If only it were true…

  783. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    One can imagine conspiracy theorists as badly running engines. Misfiring and knocking, sputtering and smoking, rocking the car on its springs. Or you can imagine them drooling in the park all wearing shabby clothes.
    But at least conspiracy theorists are trying to make sense of the world, trying to explain in the best way they can the madness which is our lives.
    Isn’t that more noble than sitting on the couch staring off into space at a flickering screen where the only thoughts you ever get come from the bottom of a jar?
    Given the choice I’d rather be the drooling fool.
    Anger comes from knowing that the sputtering engine is a but a hair’s breadth from revving up and running smooth. But the meat holding the spoon getting thoughts from the bottom of a jar is an engine rusted and broken, beyond repair.

  784. tegmark April 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    Also check out:
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
    and
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

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  785. tegmark April 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178696
    Shapck a Lak, Shalk a Lak Shlak a lak shpeck a leck shleg a leg shpeg a shek a leg, etc..

  786. mika. April 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    Another one of your finest:
    Police Dash Cam Catches Santa Fe Cop Spankin’ the Monkey
    http://youtu.be/ShSzyACkWyM
    Probably a relation of yours, Q, given your constant titillation with titties.

  787. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    They work for the police department but 911 operators in general are not sworn officers. They are usually civil servants employed by the police department. Your assessment of the situation being a legal clusterfuck is correct but the view that they are ‘deputies’ is probably correct provided they are adequately trained and performing their duties as trained.
    Emotions aside, if it turns out that Trayvon Martin instigated the scuffle the stand your ground rule will fly. If it turns out that George Zimmerman provoked Travon then it will be a case of murder.
    It is going to come down to who started it, be that for right or wrong. Determining who started it will not be as simple as deciding ‘who threw the first punch’. An assault can legally begin with an exchange of ‘fighting words’.
    It is a legal mess.

  788. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    “THIS APESTER WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN TEN SECONDS”
    Too bad your multiple, run-on *WALLS OF POAST* don’t do said-same…

  789. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    Well damn, that actually made some sense. Usually extreme length turns me off and I skip over it but there is some merit in this tome.
    The differences between the the level of conflict in particular European countries has less to do with raw unemployment rates and more to do with the relative level of inequality within the country being considered.
    Also:
    “But anyone looking at this number and this value from the outside will immediately see what a joke it actually is…”
    Yes, and talent is being able to see the joke from the inside.

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  790. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    “Emotions aside, if it turns out that Trayvon Martin instigated the scuffle the stand your ground rule will fly.”
    That flies in the face of fact. Z whuz totally stalking (in a car, with a gun and *hands-off* cell), and instigated *THE WHOLE DAMN THANG*.
    Dear ol’ *DAD* bailed him out *ONE TOO MANY TIMES*, and it never quite sunk in, those prior times, how much his @$$ whuz saved…

  791. Ixnei April 14, 2012 at 4:17 pm #

    “But the meat holding the spoon getting thoughts from the bottom of a jar”
    Damn, now you’ve gone and made me *RAVING HUNGRY*!!!

  792. k-dog April 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Yes, stalking and following in a car is very bad news for Zimmerman but by itself it is not going to make a case. Zimmerman did have a right to be doing what he was doing as messed up as it was. The issue will be how the situation escalated from there.
    Trayvon was well within his rights to totally ignore Zimmerman who was not in fact an officer of the law. The problem is that even though Zimmerman was a total asshole if Trayvon attacked him as he was returning to his vehicle Zimmerman was then in a position to then defend himself under the stand your ground rule.
    I’m not taking a side. I’m looking at it from a legal perspective.
    Everyone has a legal responsibility not to escalate a situation into violence when it can be avoided.

  793. progress2conserve April 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    “Why were you afraid of the guys who were on your side? Was it public school propaganda? Or something real?”
    -vk, in reference to my childhood fear of the KKK-
    I’ve always hated America’s race “battles” for screwing up my childhood and adolescence – for making me, as I’ve posted before, a lab rat in a giant real-time experiment on society and the human psyche.
    But that’s not why I was afraid of the KKK as a kid. At it sure wasn’t school “propaganda” at my lily white and 100% old school Southern public elementary school.
    No, it was something real, Vlad, something real as a stone – and something uncomfortable to confront about race relations in the US ’till yet.
    It was social class.
    The KKK, even in my little town, drew heavily from the bottom of the bottom of the social classes for Southern white men. But that wasn’t the half of the problem that made me scared of them. Because not only were they low class, but they were mean and nasty about it.
    Vlad, this “image problem?” remains a real problem for you and “white” organizations to this day. Every once in a while one or another White Supremacist organization will have a little rally in one or another of the little mountain towns around here. And yep, the speakers and the demonstrators still look low class.
    That image is going to be hard for mainstream whites to get around – even as the need for an organization to speak against anti-white bias becomes more and more necessary.
    ===========================
    I was going to bridge off of this and into the idea that too many of the youth of black society
    glorify the bottom of the black social class – the prison thugs, in their mannerisms and dress, but I’m out of time.
    I’ll leave the thread with a Fred excerpt that sums things up:
    “Let’s play another game. We will recruit a group of black students from Yale, put them in hoodies and butt-hanger pants, and have them walk by night, talking loudly in Ebonics, through a neighborhood inhabited by the staff of the Washington Post, crossing lawns. You will give me a dollar for every call the cops get about it.
    Profiling. I’ll spend the summer in the south of France.”
    -FredonEverything, and right about this-
    America, we have a problem.

  794. xhalor April 14, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    “…the US is the biggest fucking insane asylum in the world.”
    This is one of the reasons I love reading this blog. You would think that North America is the EXCLUSIVE home of rednecks & crazy mofos.

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  795. Vlad Krandz April 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Yes, I’ve seen alot of lower class Whites since I’ve moved out of New England – which is a bit removed from most of America. They are a varied lot, some good and some not. But it a low or peasant culture so the crudity is there even when the people are good. And it is a Culture that with alot of drinking, drugging and lots of “wild men”. So what amazes me is when Liberals object to Christianity. I mean don’t they want these people to have a moral code? To be subjected to a few hours of moral instuctions every week? I sure as hell do. The ones that don’t have any Religion – they’re the scariest ones by far. They only have their guns, cars, and drugs.
    Yes we have an image problem. But why did the Upper Classes turn their backs on Whites? The lower classes aren’t supposed to be left to themselves like this. Of course they’re going to screw up. The original Klan was full of Officers and Gentlmen. But obviously not now.
    Someone on Amren said something interesting: that egalitarianism has been rampant in America since the begining and that lower class Whites have given upper class Whites a very hard time since the earliest period. So much so that the Elite developed an extreme hatred for them – perhaps even more than in much of Europe.

  796. Shakazulu April 14, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Can’t wait for Monday when we get to do this all over again! Meanwhile I’ll sharpen my stick in preparation for World War IV. (see einstein & WW4)

  797. Vlad Krandz April 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    All over America people have banded together to protect their communities. One would think that a Clusterfucker would appreciate something like this…Guess you’re another cop worshiper. Makes sense since you’re a Communist. So does your denial – Communist always deny they’re Communists. They have to since their beliefs are so abhorrent to regular people.

  798. Vlad Krandz April 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

    The incomparable Ramz Paul on the Derbyshire dismissal:
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/04/ramzpaul-how-to-have-the-talk/#more-25651

  799. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    North America is the EXCLUSIVE home of rednecks & crazy mofos.
    Xhalor, name one other country on earth with crazy mofos who drop nuclear weapons on civilian population centers.
    Only one country in the history of the planet has been that crazy. And dem crazy Americans did it twice.
    Name one other country crazy enough to spend USD$698 BILLION DOLLARS on military.
    Name one other country crazy aggressive to have intervened militarily in Latin America (a long list of countries) 56 times. Fucking mofo USA war criminals.
    American Mofos are crazy, immoral, and criminal, plain and simple.

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  800. Vlad Krandz April 14, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Great video on the friendship between Mahatma Gandhi and Adolf Hitler. Both Nations were being threatened by British Imperialism and the Zionists behind it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XuPJE27b5A&feature=relmfu

  801. ozone April 14, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    Did somebody say Jubilee? Holler Hallelujah!!
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31078.htm
    Whoa! I guess this is what a people possessing critical thinking skills do… Who woulda thunk it?
    Place yer bets [at the nearest Mega-bank or Wall Street hustler].
    A reckoning is at hand; that’s why you won’t hear a blessed word about it. ;o)

  802. ozone April 14, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    (Sorry, didn’t mean to interrupt the scanning of color charts. Carry on.)

  803. Kyooshtik April 14, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    American Mofos are crazy, immoral, and criminal, plain and simple……
    ==============
    …….but I love them as persons.
    There is no limit to the number of people you can love.

  804. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    That goes without saying (but thank you!). I have no enemies. I love everyone, without limit.

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  805. rippedthunder April 14, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    Howdy Wsp7, I think the post about heading to SA was the homebrew talkin’ I can’t leave the valley. I ‘ve been here all my life. I have traveled around and and I always thought the beautiful Berkshires offered it all. Mountains and the ocean close by. Almost like CA without the XXXXXX . Anyway Tuckers is bye-bye.I am not retired yet. I have 6 more shifts to go. 32 years of shit in my junk drawer! 5/7/12 and I become a greeter at Wally-World!

  806. asoka. April 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Is there any way you can trade out those six shifts for annual leave or sick leave? Anybody who works steadily at a government job, the way you have, will have a good retirement income … and no need for Wally-World.

  807. xhalor April 14, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    What you really love is yourself.
    One day you will come to the simple realization that the primary reason the United States is in the position that it is in is because OUR evil mofos out-eviled everyone else’s evil mofos.

  808. asoka. April 15, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    What you really love is yourself.
    Of course I do. Don’t you love yourself? Jesus said “Love your neighbor as yourself and love your enemies.”
    Loving myself is a prerequisite to loving others, and makes possible loving even the evil mofos.
    Good observation, Xhalor.

  809. mika. April 15, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    The KKK, even in my little town, drew heavily from the bottom of the bottom of the social classes for Southern white men. But that wasn’t the half of the problem that made me scared of them. Because not only were they low class, but they were mean and nasty about it.
    ==
    Finally a semi-honest post. Let’s see if you can keep it up, PC. What percentage of your town was comprised of the “lowest of the low”, PC? My guess would be about 90%, that is, the vast majority. And I would go further and say that your town is typical of the vast majority of the white towns. But don’t feel that I’m picking on you KKK Southerns. North south east west, it don’t make a difference. The blue-eyed devil-dog is pretty much the same no matter what geography or culture he happens to be found in. Tell me I’m wrong, PC.

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  810. mika. April 15, 2012 at 1:13 am #

    Both Nations were being threatened by British Imperialism and the Zionists behind it.
    ==
    Germany and India were threatened by Israeli nationalism? How do you come up with this shit?
    As for Gandhi, he was a simpleton, a putz, and tool of the CIA/Vatican. He created Pakistan, which then allowed the CIA/Vatican to arm their Jihadistani stronghold with atomic weapons aimed at India. And btw, how and why did the Vatican get to posses detailed atomic weapon secrets? Care to answer that, Vladik.

  811. xhalor April 15, 2012 at 1:14 am #

    “Xhalor, name one other country on earth with crazy mofos who drop nuclear weapons on civilian population centers.”
    Maybe because at that time we were the only ones who had ’em? Like the Germans or Japanese wouldn’t have used them if they did? If I thought you were a real poster, I would have to call you a simple fuck.

  812. asoka. April 15, 2012 at 1:36 am #

    Lots of countries have had nuclear weapons for decades and not one country has used those weapons against their enemies. Only America is immoral enough to use them.
    You are heavily into denial of the evil wrought upon the globe by the USA. I have provided you with the countries bombed by the USA, with the 56 military interventions in Latin America. Maybe you think those military murderers were of the “greatest generation”? You are gullible and duped.
    And you call me a simple fuck? LOL!

  813. k-dog April 15, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    You say:
    …Guess you’re another cop worshiper.
    There you go, jumping to conclusions again.
    Dog Attacks Cop Car

  814. k-dog April 15, 2012 at 2:10 am #

    So Prog,
    Do you mean standing around a burning cross in the middle of the night with a bunch of half drunk yayhoos from the local meat packing plant with a third grade education who are ready to slice you open if you don’t agree with everything they say isn’t your cup of tea?
    Imagine that.

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  815. jaiseli April 15, 2012 at 2:13 am #

    when the “D-elite’s” plundering finally begins the phase of diminishing return and they decide it’s time to exit stage left with WW3, debt will be the least of the Millies’ problems.

  816. k-dog April 15, 2012 at 2:16 am #

    Maybe he is just trying to cover all the bases?

  817. asoka. April 15, 2012 at 2:18 am #

    Occupy Wall Street is more active than ever. I was at an organizing meeting of Occupy recently. Plans are underway for a General Strike on May 1.

  818. asoka. April 15, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    ORGANIZE FOR #M1GS
    If you are part of unionized labor, and your contract is up for negotiation, you can officially strike on May 1st. If you are not – call in sick. Take a holiday. Don’t show up to school. March with us, or join in one of the many events that will be taking place on May 1st, either in the day or in the evening. Block parties, rallies, protests, marches, family BBQ’s – this is a day when we take a stand against the way the system has enslaved us and burdened us with unmanageable debt, incredibly long working weeks, unfeasibly expensive healthcare — by taking a day for ourselves, being human again, spending time with our families and friends. Our bosses dictate everything to us — but not our holiday. The holiday of the working class, the 99%.
    If you can’t participate on #M1GS, you can contribute in other ways. Spread the word. Poster your neighborhood. Help form Strike Committees in the workplace. Agitate. Tweet. Like.

  819. k-dog April 15, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    That’s good, think ahead. You figured out that sticks won’t survive WWIII so your going to make a stash of sticks now and be ready for WWIV before WWIII happens. Very clever. But don’t worry about the stones. There will be plenty of stones left. They will be easy to find because that is all that will be left. Since they will be glowing in the dark you will even be able to see them at night.

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  820. xhalor April 15, 2012 at 3:34 am #

    Man’s Best Friend

  821. asoka. April 15, 2012 at 3:35 am #

    Love, patience and discrimination form the foundation of life. We need these more than learning or earning. If we have them, we will be able to gain everything else.Amma
    There is no limit to how many people we can love.
    We are 7 BILLION lovers on this planet.

  822. xhalor April 15, 2012 at 4:02 am #

    Yeah, so why don’t you and couple billion of them go get a room, huh?

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  824. 8man April 15, 2012 at 7:18 am #

    IDLE TIME
    There has never been a time in history when people have had the least possible real work to do, millions of people totally idle and living da vida, and in fact what is left is status games, power struggles, and the value of past work in the form of real estate, and in fact this present economic crisis was born from the real estate prices going up in the USA and hosing everyone: but there is a reason, since nothing else of any value is being produced anymore (can be produced anymore as the Technological Economy has eliminated any real work for most of the USA, EU and JAPAN and is marching on to eliminate it in China, Brazil, etc. through Automation, Economy of Scales, Technology applied to producing goods with as little labor as possible and such, etc.), since no labor can give any return anymore, no matter how hard they all try to fake it in their fake comic book world of “Hard Work” in the Skyscrapers (always “working” 24 hours a day, always checking emails, always meetings, always talking, never really producing anything of any value excpet hot air and make believe activities, the less real work they all have to do the harder they have to fake it and invent all kinds of “problems” and “emergencies” and arbitrary schedules and arbitrary fake “make work” just to show that they are actually doing something, like tons of useless documents, tons of useless computer programs, tons of lawyers and fights, and conflicts and the myth of flexibility, always changing everything to produce activity and not get bored to death, and the myth of competition and all such crap, WHEN OUR PRESENT DAY ECONOMIC SYSTEM HAS ALMOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF WORK AT ALL, GO FIUGRE), the only thing that is really left is fights and Conflicts and beating up each other like bored little children who really have nothing to do but want “To Blame it Someone To get back ” and such.
    And in fact, the less real work there is left to do the more the fights and conflicts will increase, the more the debates will increase, the political fights and debates and all, simply because since they can’t figure out why on earth there is no longer any real work left to do, since they can’t accept and abide to the Structural Change a Technological Economy imposes on this Civilization, they have to find some other simpler excuse (but with a clear agenda, hose the weaker), like labor is lazy, like they aren’t innovative enough, like this and that. And in fact in Spain and Italy and Greece, they think that by changing the “Labor Lways” jobs will come back, how idiotic, they still can’t wrap their heads around the fact that jobs will never come back again, because there is nothing left to do (that generates profits), there is nothing worth doing.
    And in fact,I have seen buildings that were once offices changed into houses: that says it all, since there is no longer any real work possible, the offices are useless, just turn them into houses, but the houses must be bought by people “with jobs”, but who cares, better houses then offices that will never be filled since there is nothing really valuable left to do. They can wait years for the houses to be bought, who cares, but they already know that the offices will never again get filled up and anyways sooner or later some turd will buy the expensive houses because the system is choke full of trillions of dollars, sooner or later that money will trickle down and make someone buy the house and such. And in fact the system has 100 trillion dollars sitting in banks worldwide as a proxy and demonstration of how much free wealth the Technological Economy can produce with so little labor, and the money keeps on increasing, Apple alone is worth more than many countries and such.
    And as a corollary: the Technological Economy structurally creates ever more inequality, some winners and many losers, ever more.
    And anyways Real Estate is the only game left in town, the prices are always high, even if a company sells 2 or3 houses for 200,000 dollars they got back the money they spent to build 10 houses and made some profits too, they can leave the other 7 houses empty and wait (even for years) until some sucker will buy it (always from past accumulated money, from past work, since there is no possibility to accumulate money anymore in the future work which won’t be there anymore, at least for the lower classes) and such.
    And then it is obvious how this economy is turing into a minority economy, a few rich who buy all, everyone else poor and a turd and considered lazy and crappy, etc. No longer a Mass Market, but a smaller market only for those inside the special circle of Fake hard Workers and such.
    The solution ? Free Salaries to all worldwide, 800 dollars a month, and cheap rents to all worldwide, 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house and such. And large Scale projects, trillions of skyscrapers, trillions of spaceships to Mars and Venus, trillions of high speed trains all across the USA and a huge Bus system of trillions of Buses all across the USA, and Split the Sun to grab all of its energy, and completely change the design of the Man Brain, become another civilization, a new civilization with a new brain and more advanced.
    As a side note: you can create trillions of new people and lives by simply programming a standrad “Programmable Man Brain in a Vat” with memories of a fake and imagined life (but fake and real lives are all the same, it is just information which are just random symbols written on matter and such), and machines can create an Instant New Person, a New Creation on the Spot, in a Jiffy by inserting random and nay, even experimental memories and lives and life stories in the brains and such. Maybe you too are an Instant Person that has been created only the last 2 seconds, in a jiffy as you are a BRAIN IN A VAT WITHIN A SIMULATOR AND ALL OTHER BRAINS ARE THE SAME, JUST A MEMORY SEGMENT IN THE ALIEN’S COMPUTER, TRILLIONS OF NEW PEOPLE AND MINDS, NEW LIVES, NEW HISTORIES NEW EVENTS…
    TOBOR THE APESTR MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

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  825. 8man April 15, 2012 at 7:27 am #

    Uh oh, double post time again:
    IDLE TIME
    There has never been a time in history when people have had the least possible real work to do, millions of people totally idle and living da vida, and in fact what is left is status games, power struggles, and the value of past work in the form of real estate, and in fact this present economic crisis was born from the real estate prices going up in the USA and hosing everyone: but there is a reason, since nothing else of any value is being produced anymore (can be produced anymore as the Technological Economy has eliminated any real work for most of the USA, EU and JAPAN and is marching on to eliminate it in China, Brazil, etc. through Automation, Economy of Scales, Technology applied to producing goods with as little labor as possible and such, etc.), since no labor can give any return anymore, no matter how hard they all try to fake it in their fake comic book world of “Hard Work” in the Skyscrapers (always “working” 24 hours a day, always checking emails, always meetings, always talking, never really producing anything of any value except hot air and make believe activities, the less real work they all have to do the harder they have to fake it and invent all kinds of “problems” and “emergencies” and arbitrary schedules and arbitrary fake “make work” just to show that they are actually doing something, like tons of useless documents, tons of useless computer programs, tons of lawyers and fights, and conflicts and the myth of flexibility, always changing everything to produce activity and not get bored to death, and the myth of competition and all such crap, WHEN OUR PRESENT DAY ECONOMIC SYSTEM HAS ALMOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF WORK AT ALL, GO FIGURE), the only thing that is really left is fights and Conflicts and beating up each other like bored little children who really have nothing to do but want “To Blame it Someone To get back ” and such.
    And in fact, the less real work there is left to do the more the fights and conflicts will increase, the more the debates will increase, the political fights and debates and all, simply because since they can’t figure out why on earth there is no longer any real work left to do, since they can’t accept and abide to the Structural Change a Technological Economy imposes on this Civilization, they have to find some other simpler excuse (but with a clear agenda, hose the weaker), like labor is lazy, like they aren’t innovative enough, like this and that. And in fact in Spain and Italy and Greece, they think that by changing the “Labor Laws” jobs will come back, how idiotic, they still can’t wrap their heads around the fact that jobs will never come back again, because there is nothing left to do (that generates profits), there is nothing worth doing.
    And in fact,I have seen buildings that were once offices changed into houses: that says it all, since there is no longer any real work possible, the offices are useless, just turn them into houses, but the houses must be bought by people “with jobs”, but who cares, better houses then offices that will never be filled since there is nothing really valuable left to do. They can wait years for the houses to be bought, who cares, but they already know that the offices will never again get filled up and anyways sooner or later some turd will buy the expensive houses because the system is choke full of trillions of dollars, sooner or later that money will trickle down and make someone buy the house and such. And in fact the system has 100 trillion dollars sitting in banks worldwide as a proxy and demonstration of how much free wealth the Technological Economy can produce with so little labor, and the money keeps on increasing, Apple alone is worth more than many countries and such.
    And as a corollary: the Technological Economy structurally creates ever more inequality, some winners and many losers, ever more.
    And anyways Real Estate is the only game left in town, the prices are always high, even if a company sells 2 or3 houses for 200,000 dollars they got back the money they spent to build 10 houses and made some profits too, they can leave the other 7 houses empty and wait (even for years) until some sucker will buy it (always from past accumulated money, from past work, since there is no possibility to accumulate money anymore in the future work which won’t be there anymore, at least for the lower classes) and such.
    And then it is obvious how this economy is turing into a minority economy, a few rich who buy all, everyone else poor and a turd and considered lazy and crappy, etc. No longer a Mass Market, but a smaller market only for those inside the special circle of Fake hard Workers and such.
    The solution ? Free Salaries to all worldwide, 800 dollars a month, and cheap rents to all worldwide, 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house and such. And large Scale projects, trillions of skyscrapers, trillions of spaceships to Mars and Venus, trillions of high speed trains all across the USA and a huge Bus system of trillions of Buses all across the USA, and Split the Sun to grab all of its energy, and completely change the design of the Man Brain, become another civilization, a new civilization with a new brain and more advanced.
    As a side note: you can create trillions of new people and lives by simply programming a standrad “Programmable Man Brain in a Vat” with memories of a fake and imagined life (but fake and real lives are all the same, it is just information which are just random symbols written on matter and such), and machines can create an Instant New Person, a New Creation on the Spot, in a Jiffy by inserting random and nay, even experimental memories and lives and life stories in the brains and such. Maybe you too are an Instant Person that has been created only the last 2 seconds, in a jiffy as you are a BRAIN IN A VAT WITHIN A SIMULATOR AND ALL OTHER BRAINS ARE THE SAME, JUST A MEMORY SEGMENT IN THE ALIEN’S COMPUTER, TRILLIONS OF NEW PEOPLE AND MINDS, NEW LIVES, NEW HISTORIES NEW EVENTS…
    TOBOR THE APESTER MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

  826. 8man April 15, 2012 at 8:22 am #

    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

  827. ozone April 15, 2012 at 8:37 am #

    “The KKK, even in my little town, drew heavily from the bottom of the bottom of the social classes for Southern white men. But that wasn’t the half of the problem that made me scared of them. Because not only were they low class, but they were mean and nasty about it.
    Vlad, this “image problem?” remains a real problem for you and “white” organizations to this day. Every once in a while one or another White Supremacist organization will have a little rally in one or another of the little mountain towns around here. And yep, the speakers and the demonstrators still look low class.” -P2C
    First off, I couldn’t give a shit about the laddie’s “image problem”. His image is perfect for a disruptor and liar. These are his only skills, and point to his uselessness to a different paradigm (other than a crushing feudalism). See how well it’s working?
    It takes a mean and nasty outlook to get on with the mean and nasty bid’ness of genocide and race stratification. Thus was it always. It would piss me off mightily as well; even as a nipper, I hated “being played” by users and liars.
    Don’t forget this was the root of The Southern Strategy (vote “republican” to keep the niggers down, instead of “democrat”, for the same reason). Get one part of the ignorant underclass to blame another for their troubles; tell ’em it’s okay to crush that “other” underfoot; off the manipulators go on their merry spree of looting and rapine without a worry that anyone might be peeking into their SUCCESSFUL class war. If we can be distracted from recognizing who our real enemies are, why then, the status quo continues! (For the moment.)
    Quite diabolical, this murder and cruelty by unwitting, ignoranti proxy. Realization of being played causes embarrassment; embarrassment also begets anger and a cold, bitter and well-honed revenge. Hmmmm, suspicious, bitter and vengeful ignorant folk; wonder where that comes from?
    Further, this is why the ignorant fight so hard to hold on to their delusions. To have to admit to being deluded and just flat-out wrong is embarrassing.
    (End of sweeping generalizations; back to individual opinion.)

  828. ozone April 15, 2012 at 8:47 am #

    Ps… and still off-topic:
    Embarrassment/shaming is the ultimate in interactive social hot-buttons. Perhaps this is why [genuine] forgiveness is so powerful and [in some cases] uplifting. (Thus its usefulness to Krish’an cult-mongers.)
    Jubilee??
    Did anyone notice what Iceland’s doing? Ah, I thought not…

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    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 9:55 am #

      “The blue-eyed devil-dog is pretty much the same no matter what geography or culture he happens to be found in. Tell me I’m wrong, PC.”
      -mika/met-
      OK, you’re wrong, mika/met.
      It was probably about 1% of the low class whites that were prone to violence in the now-vanished KKK culture of my little Southern county. And, almost none of those had blue eyes.
      ==============================
      I do want to thank you, though Mika, for providing an example for Ozone of the sort of genocidal hate that “blue-eyed devil dogs” would be subjected to if Mika were put in charge of the World.
      Yet you still think white people don’t need an organization to guard against this sort of hate, Ozone?
      New England really is a different corner of the country, isn’t it – with respect to gentility and racial strife?
      But, do you never go to those towns that WSP makes reference to, Ozone? Do you not feel the demographic shifting, and feel some disdain directed toward you? Simply because of the color of your skin?
      Maybe you need to refocus your feelings of paranoia, just a little bit.

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 10:01 am #

      “And btw, how and why did the Vatican get to posses detailed atomic weapon secrets?” -mika/met-
      Come on Mika. At least be consistent.
      It’s the Vatican. They are responsible for all evil in the world. Of COURSE the Vatican possesses detailed atomic weapon secrets.

    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 10:09 am #

      Winner Take All
      I was reading on some websites and magazines (The Economist and such) how the USA, EU and JAPAN and others must “Move up the Economy Chain” and design and innovate and “Services” (what a total joke! Services suck so hugely, I HATE Services, kill Services!) and such in order for them to “grow”, etc. I am amazed how so called smart economists can still believe in such insane BS: first off how many new possible Designs can there be ? how many new possible innovations can there be ? and especially, new Services ? to do exactly what ? to create as many roadblocks as possible to achieve anything ! this is what Services really are all about. Obviously, not many truly useful and valid Innovations are possible (in fact there are many useless and negative – diminishing return kinds of innovations, innovations that make you waste a lot of time on a bunch of BS, like Facebook and Twitter and such, but then again, this Economy is all about Wasting Time, Wasting the Way Too Much Idle and Free Time that a Technological Economy brings upon millions of people since they all end up having all very little real work and labor to do structurally), and in fact this goes back to my theory that this economy is becoming a Minority Economy, only the Winners play and win, only a few can win, everyone else is a loser.
      So for example Apple “invents a new cell phone” which is just a computer put in a new package, and Apple wins a huge chunk of market, the same with Google or Facebook and others and such. And, as a corollary what they actually do is Program People, they actually Program How People Will Behave and What People Will Do (and buy, etc.) : As if the computers really end up programming people after people programmed the computers, or as if, by programming computers, the corporations are so subtle and smart that they can actually indirectly program people to act and Buy and Do what they want.
      The programs are programmed in such a way as to go backwards and program people: whether you can say that the computers end up programming people or that the corporations program people by programming the computers and software that people will use so that they will program people to do certain things, it doesn’t matter, what counts is that we program computers that then program us (it ends up going the other way around, we thought we were telling what the machines were to do but they end up telling us what to do and we actually end up programming our own prison).
      But more importantly, those who win, win BIG TIME; there is this automatic Monopoly tendency in all of these high tech endeavors, the winner takes all, the winner wins big time, once again, the forces in action concentrate everything in a few winning hands and cut out everyone else, Winner Take All. And this is supposed to make an “Economy Grow” ? No, only the rich and the winners grow, everyone else is Progrmmaed and Brainwashed to buy their products, like robots and drones, they just pay and buy and obey the Powers that Be, go out and Buy the new Apple Gadget, go on, make them richer, wait all night long outside of the store, what c*cks !
      Obviously this ideology of Innovation is a huge deception, but so many people buy into it, and really believe it and such (and even if there are all of these new inventions waiting to be made, then maybe worldwide they can keep at most 1 million people employed (10,000 new startups having 100 engineers or “innovators” or whatever). But alas, it is all useless, the Powers that Be, the rich and corporations will always win no matter what, they call the cards, they make up the games and rules people must play no matter what, they decide for all, they tell everyone what they must believe in and how they all must be innovators and study all these new fangled things (and act in certain ways, always answering smart phones and meetings and crap), always More Education crap, just to hose them all in the end. And anyways, if they didn’t program you in a certain way, someone else will and any ways, any culture is always a useless worthless turd (no one ever demands free salaries and cheap rents, what should really be given out freely to all) and you can criticize and talk from now until forever, it will never and can never change, everyone plays along, there is nothing you can do about it but simply give up.
      Like hoping the housing crisis brings down prices and such, no way jose, the winners wil always win no matter what, the inequality is hard wired, is a constant, only a full out war and pure violence can overthrow any inequality, but then it will simply get substituted with another inequality and a new set of winners and losers and such. If homes are not bought, they will just wait and keep the prices high, if they are not built the prices will keep on going higher as fewer homes for ever more people, if they are built, the construction companies make profits anyways but you pay so much and so on. YOU NEVER CAN NEVER WIN, END OF STORY.
      On the Instant People Constructor, on the Creation of People on the Spot, the new person and life (lifetime and life story) constructor machine that creates an entire life (of any age and environment and any life story) in an Instant by simply assigning a number to a memory location, well by a more perfecetd Brain in a Vat, or Brain in a Simulator, you just need one Brain working at very high speeds and frequencies to live trillions of lives in parallel, bymultitasking the programs representing the lives in only one Brain. And you can imagine mixing lives, and creating all kinds of Short Circuits and expriences, and the Brain manipulating the Brain in the Simulator could be manipulated itself by another brain, or many brains, for many levels, trillions of levels. And if One Brain in a Vat is a trillion lives living simultaneously, the you can have trillions of Brains in Vats the Size of a Planet living even more lives, by high speed circuits in high speed Electronc Solid State Brain Devices, new brain designs, new wild universes, go on man, keep on inventing it all, go on.
      THE APE MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

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    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 10:11 am #

      On the Instant People Constructor, on the Creation of People on the Spot, the new person and life (lifetime and life story) constructor machine that creates an entire life (of any age and environment and any life story) in an Instant by simply assigning a number to a memory location, well by a more perfected Brain in a Vat, or Brain in a Simulator, you just need one Brain working at very high speeds and frequencies to live trillions of lives in parallel, by multitasking the programs representing the lives in only one Brain. And you can imagine mixing lives, and creating all kinds of Short Circuits and experiences, and the Brain manipulating the Brain in the Simulator could be manipulated itself by another brain, or many brains, for many levels, trillions of levels. And if One Brain in a Vat is a trillion lives living simultaneously, the you can have trillions of Brains in Vats the Size of a Planet living even more lives, by high speed circuits in high speed Electronic Solid State Brain Devices, new brain designs, new wild universes, go on man, keep on inventing it all, go on.

    • rippedthunder April 15, 2012 at 10:15 am #

      I’m just posting this link in case any of you folks missed church this morning.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovYqcXHnwmw

    • ozone April 15, 2012 at 10:17 am #

      “But, do you never go to those towns that WSP makes reference to, Ozone? Do you not feel the demographic shifting, and feel some disdain directed toward you? Simply because of the color of your skin?” -P2C
      Yes I do, and no I don’t.
      Mostly a matter of focus, I’d say.
      Every town I see (except for the tiny minority of the wealthiest and most gentrified) is going to shit very quickly, and it’s not about demographics, it’s about economic death and desertion. That brings unjustified social alienation and stratification, desperation and predation. Again, improper focus brings skewed “conclusions”.
      Consider how a successful life is defined in this “culture”, and you’ll begin to get my drift, I think.

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    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 10:19 am #

      Uh, oh double post time again.
      From:
      http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177965
      Winner Take All
      I was reading on some websites and magazines (The Economist and such) how the USA, EU and JAPAN and others must “Move up the Economy Chain” and design and innovate and “Services” (what a total joke! Services suck so hugely, I HATE Services, kill Services!) and such in order for them to “grow”, etc. I am amazed how so called smart economists can still believe in such insane BS: first off how many new possible Designs can there be ? how many new possible innovations can there be ? and especially, new Services ? to do exactly what ? to create as many roadblocks as possible to achieve anything ! this is what Services really are all about. Obviously, not many truly useful and valid Innovations are possible (in fact there are many useless and negative – diminishing return kinds of innovations, innovations that make you waste a lot of time on a bunch of BS, like Facebook and Twitter and such, but then again, this Economy is all about Wasting Time, Wasting the Way Too Much Idle and Free Time that a Technological Economy brings upon millions of people since they all end up having all very little real work and labor to do structurally), and in fact this goes back to my theory that this economy is becoming a Minority Economy, only the Winners play and win, only a few can win, everyone else is a loser.
      So for example Apple “invents a new cell phone” which is just a computer put in a new package, and Apple wins a huge chunk of market, the same with Google or Facebook and others and such. And, as a corollary what they actually do is Program People, they actually Program How People Will Behave and What People Will Do (and buy, etc.) : As if the computers really end up programming people after people programmed the computers, or as if, by programming computers, the corporations are so subtle and smart that they can actually indirectly program people to act and Buy and Do what they want.
      The programs are programmed in such a way as to go backwards and program people: whether you can say that the computers end up programming people or that the corporations program people by programming the computers and software that people will use so that they will program people to do certain things, it doesn’t matter, what counts is that we program computers that then program us (it ends up going the other way around, we thought we were telling what the machines were to do but they end up telling us what to do and we actually end up programming our own prison).
      But more importantly, those who win, win BIG TIME; there is this automatic Monopoly tendency in all of these high tech endeavors, the winner takes all, the winner wins big time, once again, the forces in action concentrate everything in a few winning hands and cut out everyone else, Winner Take All. And this is supposed to make an “Economy Grow” ? No, only the rich and the winners grow, everyone else is Programmed and Brainwashed to buy their products, like robots and drones, they just pay and buy and obey the Powers that Be, go out and Buy the new Apple Gadget, go on, make them richer, wait all night long outside of the store, what c*cks !
      Obviously this ideology of Innovation is a huge deception, but so many people buy into it, and really believe it and such (and even if there are all of these new inventions waiting to be made, then maybe worldwide they can keep at most 1 million people employed (10,000 new startups having 100 engineers or “innovators” or whatever). But alas, it is all useless, the Powers that Be, the rich and corporations will always win no matter what, they call the cards, they make up the games and rules people must play no matter what, they decide for all, they tell everyone what they must believe in and how they all must be innovators and study all these new fangled things (and act in certain ways, always answering smart phones and meetings and crap), always More Education crap, just to hose them all in the end. And anyways, if they didn’t program you in a certain way, someone else will and anyways, any culture is always a useless worthless turd (no one ever demands free salaries and cheap rents, what should really be given out freely to all) and you can criticize and talk from now until forever, it will never and can never change, everyone plays along, there is nothing you can do about it but simply give up.
      Like hoping the housing crisis brings down prices and such, no way jose, the winners will always win no matter what, the inequality is hard wired, is a constant, only a full out war and pure violence can overthrow any inequality, but then it will simply get substituted with another inequality and a new set of winners and losers and such. If homes are not bought, they will just wait and keep the prices high, if they are not built the prices will keep on going higher as fewer homes for ever more people, if they are built, the construction companies make profits anyways but you pay so much and so on. YOU NEVER CAN WIN, END OF STORY.
      On the Instant People Constructor, on the Creation of People on the Spot, the new person and life (lifetime and life story) constructor machine that creates an entire life (of any age and environment and any life story) in an Instant by simply assigning a number to a memory location, well by a more perfecetd Brain in a Vat, or Brain in a Simulator, you just need one Brain working at very high speeds and frequencies to live trillions of lives in parallel, bymultitasking the programs representing the lives in only one Brain. And you can imagine mixing lives, and creating all kinds of Short Circuits and expriences, and the Brain manipulating the Brain in the Simulator could be manipulated itself by another brain, or many brains, for many levels, trillions of levels. And if One Brain in a Vat is a trillion lives living simultaneously, the you can have trillions of Brains in Vats the Size of a Planet living even more lives, by high speed circuits in high speed Electronc Solid State Brain Devices, new brain designs, new wild universes, go on man, keep on inventing it all, go on.
      THE APE MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

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    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 10:25 am #

      On the Instant People Constructor, on the Creation of People on the Spot, the new person and life (lifetime and life story) constructor machine that creates an entire life (of any age and environment and any life story) in an Instant by simply assigning a number to a memory location, well by a more perfected Brain in a Vat, or Brain in a Simulator, you just need one Brain working at very high speeds and frequencies to live trillions of lives in parallel, by multitasking the programs representing the lives in only one Brain. And you can imagine mixing lives, and creating all kinds of Short Circuits and experiences, and the Brain manipulating the Brain in the Simulator could be manipulated itself by another brain, or many brains, for many levels, trillions of levels. And if One Brain in a Vat is a trillion lives living simultaneously, the you can have trillions of Brains in Vats the Size of a Planet living even more lives, by high speed circuits in high speed Electronc Solid State Brain Devices, new brain designs, new wild universes, go on man, keep on inventing it all, go on.
      THE APE MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 10:26 am #

      From:
      http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177965

    • rippedthunder April 15, 2012 at 10:33 am #

      Mornin’ A , The city will pay me for 70 sick days when I leave but I am still turning in over 300 unused days. I can’t take more than 1 day off without a note from my mother ;o) or a doctor. Since my Mom is not around and going to a doctor is such a pain in the ass, I don’t bother. Unlike other city dept. we have a minimum manning requirement so when we are out they have to hire overtime and they don’t like paying it. It was not always this way but we run bare bones because of attrition and non-replacement of retirees. I am actually supposed to work till June but I have 4 weeks vacation saved up.

    • ozone April 15, 2012 at 10:33 am #

      Awesome!
      …And backatcha:
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      (Take that, spidey-boy.)

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 10:33 am #

      “You don’t need even one second to baptize a dead person, or even one second to love someone either. You can love in mass also. Jesus did.
      There is no limit to the number of people you can love.” -asoka.-
      Also wrong, a.. Looks like yesterday was a good day for CFN radicals to be wrong, generally speaking.
      Mormon baptism for the dead is far more complicated than your post indicated. Study up:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead
      And Jesus is well documented as rejecting (ceasing to love) those people and places that rejected Him.
      Looks as though a Mormon baptism by proxy would require at least 10 seconds, and two people of the appropriate genders. Thus, it will take you and one other person 317 YEARS simply to love and baptize only one billion people.
      That’s 2,219 years – simply to spend 10 seconds loving every human on Earth without taking a single rest break.
      Again, you better get busy, stop posting, and start loving.
      ================================
      No mention of birth control, whatsoever, in this outfit that you posted:
      http://www.amma.org/humanitarian-activities/medical/index.html
      Thus, amma, like you and 8M, is contributing to the problem – and not providing a solution.
      The carrying capacity of the Earth for humans, post fossil fuels, is going to determine the ultimate number of humans that can be loved at any one time.
      Sadly, this number is going to be far lower than seven billion – and sadly lower than 300,000,000 in the geographic location known as the United States.

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    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 11:03 am #

      It was probably about 1% of the low class whites that were prone to violence in the now-vanished KKK culture of my little Southern county. And, almost none of those had blue eyes.
      ==
      Yes, they were all brown eyed Mexicans.

    • messianicdruid April 15, 2012 at 11:10 am #

      “And Jesus is well documented as rejecting (ceasing to love) those people and places that rejected Him.”
      I think your extrapolation is an error.
      If God could save everyone, would He?
      http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/Chapter.cfm?CID=69

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 11:11 am #

      “Jubilee??
      Did anyone notice what Iceland’s doing?”
      YES!! Finally, some actionable field intelligence amid the flotsam & jetsam that is The CFN. Breaks my heart Ozone, but, apparently we can’t do what Iceland (fucking Iceland?) can. I would say we found our rally point.

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 11:19 am #

      I do want to thank you, though Mika, for providing an example for Ozone of the sort of genocidal hate that “blue-eyed devil dogs” would be subjected to if Mika were put in charge of the World.
      ==
      Hahah! I was always VERY explicit in regards to my disgust and disdain for you lowlife savages. And I always made it very clear that all that needs to be done is to just leave you lowlife blue-eyed devil-dogs to your own devices and you lowlife blue-eyed devil-dogs will prey on each other.
      And that’s exactly what will happen. People will completely shun you fucks for the plague that you are, and instead of killing and preying on others you will kill and prey on each other. You see, PC, I don’t need to ever lift a finger. You will go extinct all on your own, by your own very nature. It’s built into your DNA.

    • messianicdruid April 15, 2012 at 11:23 am #

      “A reckoning is at hand; that’s why you won’t hear a blessed word about it. ;o)”
      http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1047-liens

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    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 11:26 am #

      “…you will kill and prey on each other.”
      Yes. a well known genetic trait that afflicts ONLY Caucasians, ONLY males, and ONLY in North America (that is, ONLY after Columbus).

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 11:28 am #

      Of COURSE the Vatican possesses detailed atomic weapon secrets.
      ==
      How did the Vatican manage to get this information?
      Why did the Vatican receive this information?
      Why does the Vatican need this information?
      These are simple questions, PC. Why are you so uncomfortable trying to answer them?

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 11:28 am #

      You are joking, right?
      You are not equating love and biological sex, right?
      You know how big a room would have to be to hold two billion human beings?
      You are losing credibility, Xhalor.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 11:32 am #

      Get some help

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 11:36 am #

      P2C, you seem to be adopting a poplulation biology stance here:

      The carrying capacity of the Earth for humans, post fossil fuels, is going to determine the ultimate number of humans that can be loved at any one time. Sadly, this number is going to be far lower than seven billion – and sadly lower than 300,000,000 in the geographic location known as the United States.

      Why are you sad? Isn’t it just science? Carrying capacity, overshoot, finite fossil fuel, population density, are these things to be sad about?
      You are choosing to be sad about something which has not yet happened, something you think is going to happen in the future.
      Be happy in the present. Love right now. It is up to you to choose. There is no limit to how many people we can love.
      Your sadness is bogus.

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    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 11:36 am #

      Excellent response to me, Vlad, top to bottom.
      And, at least it appears that AmRen is aware of the problem – that most claims of “anit-white bias” are looked upon by mainstream whites as being “lower class” claims.
      This comes up constantly when efforts at immigration reduction are quickly labeled as RACIST, by the racist demagogues of the grievance coalitions – which coalation is ably represented by the racist asoka of CFN.
      Which is one thing that keeps me keeping up an active dialog with you – trying to find a work-around that will slow and stop US population growth before it’s too late.
      ===============
      Still, very good post, esp. these particulars.
      As regards Southern whites, with our “wild man” culture, and tendencies to drinking and violence:
      “…So what amazes me is when Liberals object to Christianity. I mean don’t they want these people to have a moral code? To be subjected to a few hours of moral instuctions every week? I sure as hell do.” -vk-
      Yeah, no kidding, Vlad. Especially when you live as closely to these crazy bastards as I still do – and especially when you KNOW what they are capable of, as I do – because I’ve lived it and seen it up close.
      “….egalitarianism has been rampant in America since the begining and that lower class Whites have given upper class Whites a very hard time since the earliest period. So much so that the Elite developed an extreme hatred for them – perhaps even more than in much of Europe.” -vk-
      That’s very thought-provoking, Vlad.
      And it has a large element of truth in it.
      Except, I don’t think the “Elite” in this case is the 1% that CFN tends to yammer on about.
      It’s more like the top 25% – educated, somewhat cultured, with enough spiritual, emotional, and financial capital to keep the wolf away from the door – most days.
      THAT elite, without regard to its own racial composition, has written off the lower 75% without regard to the racial composition of the lower 75%.
      And, as the US economy heads into permanent contraction – the scramble to stay in the “top?” 25% only intensifies – and this has some racial implications – whether we want to admit it or not.
      ===================
      “Yes, I’ve seen alot of lower class Whites since I’ve moved out of New England – which is a bit removed from most of America.” -vk-
      He’s right, Ozone.
      And there are a lot more lower class blacks down here, too. Try to walk a mile in another man’s moccasins, before you judge him and his culture.
      For example, I’m watching this Zimmerman thing. If that judge refuses to bind over for trial, or if (god forbid!) a jury finds Zimmerman not guilty (even if he IS not guilty) – –
      And if the thing is not handled properly by the US DOJ, and Sharpton and Jackson and the professional black grievance coalition – then there will be trouble down here – and all over the country where there are sizable concentrations of the black underclass.
      And one or more innocent whites or “hispanic whites?” WILL be beaten or killed – because of that trouble.
      Mark my words.
      Of course, there ARE no innocent whites, according to Mika and asoka..
      The worm turns.

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 11:39 am #

      “Your sadness is bogus.”
      -asoka., who knows a LOT about being bogus-

    • Kyooshtik April 15, 2012 at 11:52 am #

      I was at an organizing meeting of Occupy recently. Plans are underway for a General Strike on May 1.
      ============
      OWS is holding organizing meetings in South America too??

    • Kyooshtik April 15, 2012 at 11:57 am #

      If you are part of unionized labor,……………………. The holiday of the working class, the 99%.
      ============
      This is an obvious copy and paste job…why no quotes? no attribution?

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 11:57 am #

      Of course, there ARE no innocent whites
      ==
      The innocent whites will breed with non-whites.

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    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

      Did you just get your penis? See, cuz I’ve been all around this world. If there’s one thing I know about males it’s this: If you roll a doughnut accross the floor, we’re breeding.

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

      The innocent whites will breed with non-whites.
      ==
      Just like Abraham and Moses rejected their civilization, simply walked away and let them die, so too YOUZ will need to walk away.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

      You want attribution?
      You can’t handle attribution!

    • ozone April 15, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

      “He’s right, Ozone.
      And there are a lot more lower class blacks down here, too. Try to walk a mile in another man’s moccasins, before you judge him and his culture.”
      He’s incorrect, as per usual. Just pot-stirring with a perspective that is severely constrained. You don’t seem to realize that this is his JOB. (This from me, who’s lived [fiscally] poor his whole life and owned his mistakes and fumbles. There would be the fucking moccasins; I OWN a pair. I believe you’re mistaking conditioning for culture.)
      I had already explained the essentials for you in my post; I can’t understand it for you as well. (That’s a joke there, son. -Foghorn Leghorn ;o)

    • Kyooshtik April 15, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

      by your own very nature
      ============
      Are you dyslexic? Seriously.
      It’s very own

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

      WOMEN, RING YOUR BELLS : MOTHER’S DAY IS COMING
      Sunday 13th May 1pm
      On Mother’s Day women around the world ring their bells at 1 pm local time and stand in silence for 5 minutes to consider what they can do to bring about a safe world for children and the seven generations beyond. Bells are rung again at 1:05 pm to signify the end of the period of silence.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

      No, it’s not, Q.
      You need to lighten up and realize that word order can be varied to provide emphasis.
      Also, you need to be aware that not everyone speaks English as it is spoken in New Jersey.
      Also, you need to realize CFN has posters from all over the world, some whose first language is not English.
      You are being the UGLY AMERICAN with your trivial grammar comments.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

      “…YOUZ will need to walk away.”
      About ten years ahead of you. Who did you say? Jesus & Mohammed? Batman & Robin? Whoever, I didn’t them to do it.

    • ozone April 15, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

      …And if Authoritarian thumb-suckers and apron-string-clingers find that a danger to their utopian nightmare of suicide; so be it. I just hope they keep spouting their bilious drivel; it will serve as a lesson and identifier. You see, at the moment, they feel they are part of the elite power structure, but the modern interpretation of “conservative” (authoritarian) never accounts for [or recognizes] change or the stirrings of paradigm shift. Good.

    • Buck Stud April 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

      Thought provoking post, Bustin, and beautifully expressed as always. I also wanted to mention that I read your post below so apologies in advance if I am chopping up the your post to specifically reply to the below:
      Bustin writes: “The rusting Cadillac is pretty because of the weeds and rust transforming it from a straightforward and unambiguous Symbol into something else, something more subtle and suggestive and evocative. It once again becomes a source of beauty and art.”
      I reply: Is a broken down car covered with foliage, serendipitously similar to sand patterns formed by the ocean, or wind forming snow drifts, or circles left on tables by cold glasses, really art? After all, isn’t “art” a concept formed by man, and thus, always operating on a level below the capability of “Nature” or “The Creator” or whatever term one chooses to use? In other words, isn’t a foliage carving done by a humble workmen seeking to capture a small sliver of Nature’s majesty more “Art” than the mysterious outcomes of Nature, happenstance as they may appear to superficial eyes?
      On the other hand, by choosing to enshrine the rusty car covered with foliage as a tribute to Nature, human choice and intention has indeed been recruited and enlisted – not unlike the artist who chooses not to edit out the chance happening in their own creations – and therefore the rusty car covered in foliage might rightly be termed art (I don’t believe anyone has ever really defined what “Art” is).
      Along that vein, Marcel Duchamp experimented with the chance aspect of the unintentional trace/index – in his piece “The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even”:
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Duchamp_LargeGlass.jpg/320px-Duchamp_LargeGlass.jpg
      Unlike weeds growing over abandoned automobiles minus the deliberate guiding efforts of the human mind/hand, or the deliberate human choice to aesthetically enshrine it, there is quite a bit of “intention” in Duchamp’s piece despite his implementation of happenstance methodology. Moreover, Duchamp is emulating “Nature” in a far more essential manner than, say, a painter attempting to capture the glory of a sunset: He is actually mimicking the structural variety of Nature.
      Upon careful observation, one discerns that no two shapes are exactly alike in the posted piece; Duchamp is emulating the idiosyncratic spirit of Nature by deliberately incorporating variety of shape into his composition. Therefore, and despite the modern avante -garde presentation devoid of an obvious reference to Nature in the traditional representative sense, Duchamp is still holding, to echo the words of John Ruskin, “ the stem of Nature”.
      And what more can a human do?

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    • ozone April 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

      X,
      You’ve got your snark-jo woikin’ today!
      Thanks for the maniacal giggles. :o)

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

      Tanx for the confirmation. Been woikin’ fer YEARS on that Snark Algorithm.

    • k-dog April 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

      Yes, I was pondering that too. That’s a puzzle piece that doesn’t fit. The rational conclusion is that he or she is not who they say they are. That being the case he/she/it is now worth no more of my time than 8man.

    • k-dog April 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

      Plain cake or chocolate, its all good.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

      True dat. However, it should go without saying that you always want to check for “sprinkles”.
      Hey! C’mon….

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    • k-dog April 15, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

      Damn right, we don’t want sprinkles.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

      …human choice and intention has indeed been recruited and enlisted …
      This reminds me of the question “if a tree falls in the forest, and no human is around, does it make a sound?”
      I second your comments, Buck Stud, about the beauty of BustinJ’s writing. I wholeheartedly agree with him about the beauty of the quotidian.
      The rusted out cadillac is beautiful, as BustinJ so eloquently described it, whether or not human beings are around to comment upon it. Beauty is not dependent upon “human choice and intention.”
      Beauty is a kind of harmony, proportion, or order. Human beings are completely unnecessary for the cosmos to continue working perfectly. Beauty is independent of human minds.
      We are capable of recognizing beauty, but beauty exists independent of our aesthetic judgement.
      When I witness (am present to) the actual reality of what I am doing, breathing, with an object like a beautiful rusted out cadillac, only then am I clear what is before me, Buck Stud.
      I only ask of myself to take the space-time to dwell with the rusted out cadillac in its such-ness, making every part of the process of observation a trance inducing play, rather than racing to a foregone conclusion that I hold somewhere in my head about “art” or “beauty”.
      When human beings are present, and observant, an overgrown and abandoned urban lot, with a rusted out cadillac, can be an aesthetically and functionally beautiful place, an emotionally and socially fulfilling space which can even lead to psychological and spiritual transformation of the observer.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

      Fer chris sakes, have you never heard of international snowbirds? Must one reside in one country? I reside, therefore I am? You both need to think outside the box a little.

    • Bustin J April 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

      New Cadillacs for Old Brains
      Number of weeks in a year: approximately 52
      Number of days in a weekend: 2
      Number of days in a work week: 5
      The Problem: too much working, not enough free time.
      Solution: an 8 day week.
      We add a day after Sunday.
      I call this day “Arborday”
      Number of days in a work week remain 5.
      Number of days in a week end increase to 3.
      Further, we authorize a cap on the work week to 4 days, and declare Friday part of the week end.
      Number of days in the week end: 4
      Number of days in the work week: 4
      Number of weeks in a year: Approx. 45.
      ~~
      By Mental Masturbation alone, I have decreased the workweek, and expanded all week-ends to 4 days.
      I see no reason not to implement this system.
      Comments?

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

      In South America I am a born-again Roman Catholic. I support all the saints. They have a celebration of different saints almost every Monday, guaranteeing a plentiful supply of three-day weekends. Easter is not a day. Easter is a week off. Christmas is not a day. Christmas is a month of celebration. I love Christian holidays!

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    • Vlad Kramps April 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

      Large….multitudes…ho hum…….

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

      Before K-dog and Q begin to puzzle about why someone who is supposedly retired and an atheist cares about three-day weekends and celebrations that last a week or a month, consider that the number of social invitations to parties increases proportionately, and I love dancing to salsa music. Even as an atheist the music, dance and celebration enrich my life, independent of the reason for the season or celebration.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

      You got that right! I sense your boredom, k-dog’s incredulity, q’s disdain … yet multitudes it is, always has been, and always will be! Such is the nature of life: joyful multitudinous abundance.

    • Bustin J April 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

      I’m not really being facetious. Americans need time- time to be with their families, their loved ones, time to think, plan, build, and reflect (or genuflect).
      The seven day work week is something that has ossified into a semblance of perpetuity, or natural law- it is nothing more than a contrived invention.
      And when it seems like an immovable edifice, we don’t realize that the 40 hour work week was whittled down from the 70 hour work week. The 5 day work week was whittled down from the 6 day work week.
      The obstacles to a revision of the calendar? Well, we’d have another “artificial” Y2K problem (even if the exercise of Y2K created the techniques for dealing with the problem.)
      The 8 day week could be ad-hoc, with a simple algorithm applied to conventional dating systems.
      For example, there is a simple conversion between Celcius and Fahrenheit. There could be a simple conversion between 8-day week calendars and 7-day dates. But it need not be all that complicated. The number of days in a year does not change, nor does the days in a month. The seasons don’t change.
      The fact is, we could have the time we need to be politically active, less stressed out, more creative and productive, and have stronger ties to family and community. And all we have to do to find this “time” is make room for it in our arbitrary systems.
      The wizards of NASDAQ will bitch and moan. The Mitt Romneys of the world will kvetch about not having employees to kick around 5 days a week and the establishment will tsk, tsk that China will use their extra work days to destroy our competitive advantage. Of course, they want us all to work, work, work.

    • Vlad Kramps April 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

      You’re right. But my boredom is with you. K-Dog doesn’t seem to have any bone to pick with you. And you and Q seem to be getting along as well or even better than ever, so why lump them in with me?

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    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

      Symbol to Matter Converter
      Howdy folks! Apetard is back again! Apec*ck is back again, the ph*cktard in person (what tzatza used to call me, oh, how right he was!). So here’s the deal: how many symbols are needed to condense them into a chunk of Matter, into say a neutrino or photon ? How much information is needed to finally create Matter ? That is the question. A lot, but it doesn’t matter because the Matter is the Symbol and they can be converted into each other through abstract – metaphysical circuits. Imagine all of your life and body and sense and pain/pleasure circuits no longer depending on any physical support, they are eternal, indestructable, only pure Information Relationships that have disconnected the attachment to material styles and designs expressing the illusionary form and format of connection of matter designs to Experience and Sensation and and such. So in other words, if they crack open your head, nothing happens, you remain alive since you no longer depend on matter, same with if they burn you or explode you in a million pieces and such.
      Hence the disconnection of Matter from Existence and Experience has been achieved, so then at that point anything can be then connected to your Man Brain and body and life, any new Material configuration or any configuration at all can be associated with your Information Relationship Set, but this time there are dependencies, you can connect the metaphysical circuits so as to create a new dependency that will create new effects and experiences and such: so your Brain is a Car Tire, and your Memory of your life is the sofa, so then by moving these reciprocally you undergo a new styled experience, all kinds of new sensations and effects and experiences can be achieved: now extend and extrapolate and create all kinds of wicked associations, ever more abstract and connect the circuits to so many intermediate circuits and sensations and effects (invent all you wish), and the abstractions increase and denotations increase and the effects increase and the pain/pleasure and all other extrapolated and completely newly invented sensations and things are amplified trillions of times and such.
      So all matter is simply symbols talking to each other, it is all abstraction with some circuits associated and connected to reality chunks and reality points, making them create sensations and effects that we can feel. But we can feel them even if they have no material design as a base.
      From this we can see that everything could possibly be alive, everything a special Man Brain as in Brainium but then maybe just a subset ? the mountain is your eye and the ocean your feet and/or the car tire your memory and such ? and maybe all of these new connections can be other new animals and other beings, ever abstract and different from us ? maybe so many alien beings that have disconnected themselves from matter only to connect to various chunks and designs of matter to experience all kinds of new events, experiences, meanings, sensations, achievments and such ? and then by connecting their mind and thought to pebbles on the street they become a new life, a new creation ? and then they connect to the McMansion and become yet another new creation and such and even the electrons of atoms ar simply symbols that talk to other symbols like the protons in the nucleus, everything is symbol to symbol interaction connected to hard matter every now and then ? and then many other abstract circuits symbol to symbol, matter to matter and so on forever more abstract and incredible.
      THE APETARD HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

    • tegmark April 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

      And also:
      http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
      and
      http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

    • San Jose Mom 51 April 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

      When they baptise for the dead in the LDS temples they say the prayer and dunk the proxy fully under the water for each and every person. The proxy will undergo about 10-20 full dunks. They have a witness that makes sure it’s done properly.

    • Vlad Kramps April 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

      I think it will come to pass, but not because of the largesse of corporate America. The 4 day work week will consist or 32 hours of paid labor, instead of 40 to save on costs. Plus, benefits can be cut for those working less than 35 hours a week in some places. But I think if you can swing it, working 30 hours a week is a very cool thing. I’ve been trying to worm my way into a gig like that for about a year and a half because I’m not that far off from retirement. Even if/when I do retire, I think I’d still prefer to be working at least part time. Idle hands and all.

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

      You’re right. But my boredom is with you.
      =============
      There is a simple solution.
      Just stop reading my posts. Stop replying to my posts.
      Voila! No more boredom!
      Are you a Republican? You sure whine a lot.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

      What Bustin wrote was beautiful. What Duchamp made is ugly. You are a good “captionist” for this kind of crap though.
      By and large modern art is “participation mystique” where people come and feel superior to the uninitiated. To thik that the someone got grant money for Piss Christ! And everyone who comes to see it is in on the joke, one of the Alumbrados – the illumined ones.
      Now Buck try this: buy a crucifix, put it in a jar, and fill it up with urine. Think anyone will want to come see it? No, they come because it’s transgession – a victory over the ordinary people and their religion. They get money for this shit! No one will pay you anything to see your piss Christ. Sorry dude.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

      How many Whites are you hoping to see killed in the coming Treyvon Martin riots?

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

      You’re going to have to put Ozone in with Mika and Asoka I think. The guy is just simply vicious. A real violent Anarchist type – and they always march with the Communists for some reason which escapes me.
      I don’t say this simply because he hates me. It’s everything he says. Keep looking and you’ll see.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

      Vlad, provide some evidence. I read Ozone’s posts and seems like a putty cat.
      Ozone is completely conventional, except for a strange aversion to spelling properly. But that can be worked around.
      Ozone’s ideas are staid, not communist, much like Ozone. He is a good conformist CFN soldier.

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    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

      Has anyone ever drowned?

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

      CORRECTION
      I read Ozone’s posts and he seems like a putty cat.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

      Before Q jumps in, I did mean to say Ozone is a “putty cat”
      A putty cat is the same as “pussy cat”, just in a more child-like tone. It is affecionate towards the cat. I know it is not proper English. It was used intentionally to describe how inoffensive and docile Ozone is.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

      Your endorsment is a brick on scale against him. Remember the feather scale of Osiris – and tremble as your end draws nigh.
      And is not one of 99 names of Allah, the Searchers of Hearts?

    • San Jose Mom 51 April 15, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

      Not that I’ve ever heard about! But all that water doesn’t make for a good hair day from my point of view.

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    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

      Did you see the Youtube I sent to Mika about the friendship between Gandhi and Hitler? Any thoughts?

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

      Convinced by Ozone that the anger of inner city minority youth was a matter of conditioning and not culture – Progress8Truth heads fearlessly out to downtown Atlanta the day that George Zimmerman is declared not guilty.
      Beset by a small and poorly conditioned crowd that begins to chase him while muttering, “kill the white guy,” p8t spies asoka.. Asoka begins to shout, “kill the white guy,” but in a very loving manner.
      Just then, p8t remembers something Mika said on CFN.
      “The innocent whites will breed with non-whites.”
      -Mika-
      Relieved by this lifeline, Progress8Truth grabs a likely looking black wench out of the crowd and begins to breed as though his life depended on it.
      Which it did.
      And they all lived happily ever after.
      Weird fairy tale ideas. Weird, I tell you.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

      As a Presbetyrian, I have no doubt but that you believe in divesting from Israel as your Church has decided.
      Who is you favorite Divine? Calvin, Knox, Mather? Or are you a dissenting dissenter? I like Morton of Merrymount.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 5:09 pm #

      In other words, we will be tolerated insofar as we are working on our own genocide. This is the Jewish Plan right from the horse’s mouth.

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

      About ten years ahead of you.
      ==
      No, you’re not. You’re a lifetime behind me.

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    • Buck Stud April 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

      Actually, you cannot define beauty on the visual level, especially, since you’re visual vocabulary is limited to begin with. But if I’m wrong go ahead and define some visual characteristics and attributes – shape, value, line, edge, color, texture, etc,- and how they might be arranged to form something “beautiful”. But I doubt you will be able to do that, because you’re all about the narrative, the subject. Not unlike the person who demands a narrative accomplice to accompany a classical music piece in order to derive ‘meaning’.
      Look, I don’t mean to wave you aside or be rude, but we’re talking about visual objects, and to this point at least, you have demonstrated little to no ability in analyzing an object on the level of visual dialogue. You just toss out bias and right-wing moral approbations – who was talking about Christ and piss? – while ignoring my citation of John Ruskin, one of the 19th centuries great naturalists.
      If you believe in an ‘innate form of beauty’ why not invoke Kant to make your point instead of embracing the most inane and base notions of the Christian conservative right-wing?
      And put that hammer down before you decide another nude statue or modern work of art needs vilification on the physical level

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

      “You are being the UGLY AMERICAN with your trivial grammar comments.” -asoka, to K/Q-
      K/Q, I believe asoka. has confused his terms:
      -The Ugly American
      -The Ugly Grammarian
      Non-native speakers of English are often observed making this subtle mistake.

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

      Wrong again, asoka..
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Taw_a_Putty_Tat
      And anyway, isn’t a “putty cat,” a device used by painters and caulkers in conjunction with a “putty knife?”

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

      P2C, when it comes to using expressions that are not proper English I can create the expression I want using the words I want.
      When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.

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    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

      Exactly! Which is why I think that it is appropriate to quote poster MRX32YP37 when they say
      “It’s throwing aside agan! The People says Redknapp may achieve the specific shock carry on provide seem arrive this summer first initial?”
      Yeah. Dig it.

    • San Jose Mom 51 April 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

      In my opinion, the Presbyterian USA church is way too political. I don’t go to church to get my head filled with the latest big political problem. I go for the beauty, the lovely stained glass, the choir, hang with friends that I’ve known for 25 years. (The average Presbyterian at my church is way more ethical than the average person on the street in San Jose.) Also, you can carry on a meaningful, thoughtful conversation with members of the church.
      I believe in the what was said at the Sermon on the Mount. I avoid the first Sunday of the month because they serve communion. This whole “Jesus died for our sins” business bothers me and I don’t care to symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

      I don’t care to symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood.
      ===================
      It is not symbolic, it is real. Transubstantiation, as described by Jesus. Jesus was not talking symbolically.
      It IS the body of Christ.
      It IS the blood of Christ.
      Christians ARE cannibals.

    • mika. April 15, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

      You don’t know what Jesus said. You only know what the Roman Bible says Jesus said. And what the Roman Bible says Jesus said is more often than not a lie and a deliberate and complete distortion.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

      I’m clapping as hard as I can. Yes, applause! Can you hear it? Shit! I think I’m gonna cry.

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

      Mika, you are right that Christianity as a religion only appeared around 300 CE. It was developed over many years that it took to write the bible, but the writers of the original bible simply followed the old religious ways that had gone back some 4,000 years, i.e. drinking wine and eating the flesh of predecessors of the YHWH of the time.
      The catholics changed God to the Messiah to fit the religious fervor they needed to control the world, promoted the doctrine of transubstantiation, and made Christians into real cannibals.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

      Tryin’ like to get someone to believe one comic book over another, huh?

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

      That’s “tryin’ like HELL”

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      Who knows how much $ she / they have.
      See ‘ex amma group, yahoo’.

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      Damien Hirst. Shark in formaldehyde.

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

      That’s where you are going, Xhalor.

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

      Yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it – as regards amma having too much money and too few worthwhile goals.
      Any large humanitarian group that does not have an orientation toward birth control and proactive family planning is pretty much useless – in today’s world.

    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

      antisoak, I went to the group you said to see. Here is what it says:
      Anyone trying to convince those who are leaving that they should STAY with the org are not welcome.
      No free speech for pro-Amma folks, just ex-Amma.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

      OK. So I took the plunge and went to the “All Malaysia Malayalee Association” website. Hmmm. They seem to have a mission to help Indian expatriates. So, Assokie, would you like to summarize their position on the incredibly antiquated and cruel caste system?

    • progress2conserve April 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

      “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less”
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      Yeah, OK asoka..
      That gives you something in common with any basic 3 year old – making up words as he goes.
      EXCEPT, your basic 3 year old has sense enough to know that not everyone deserves love – and that some people are twisted and evil, and thus deserve the opposite of love.

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    • asoka. April 15, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

      Any large humanitarian group that does not have an orientation toward birth control and proactive family planning is pretty much useless…
      ==============
      I agree with you, P2C, which is why I have not joined, nor have I given any money to Amma.org
      I have participated in some juicy satsangs with Amma lovers.
      Here is what Osho said about birth control:

      Right now all the Christian priests, Hindu priests, Mohammedan priests all around the world are doing one thing: teaching poor people against birth control, because it is overpopulation that is going to give them numbers. And it is overpopulation that is going to keep half of the earth poor, starving — and the poor and the starving are easily vulnerable to being converted. You just give them education, food, a house to live in and you have brought gifts from God — they will be Christians. Poverty should continue; otherwise who is going to be in the churches, who is going to be converted?

    • anti soak April 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

      Have you read the exposes by those conned by Raj /Osho?
      Osho had a million dollar [in 1980 money] watch.
      They drove him around in 100? rolls royces.
      At his compound in Pune he had an abortionist.
      Kids cost money, are bad for cash flow.
      According to others one Nirmala Devi was his student, shes been out the the road, looking for rich fools.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

      Still planning to breed us out of existence? Look out for that infant mortality rate. What a predicament.

    • anti soak April 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

      Rumor has it her servant /devotee of many years is writing an unflattering book about Amma and her group.

    • xhalor April 15, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

      Well that will do it for me. I am now responding to posts from someone who I believe needs professional counseling OR is a paid masochist on JHK’s staff. Either way, life is too short.

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    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

      Sounds pretty thin. You’re not a Christian obviously and your church is Christian in name only if they are comfortable with you. So why not use your influence for political good? And divesting from Israel is an obvious good. Other Churches have also lost their faith. Lutherans devote themselves to bringing in Somali immigrants all over America – an obvious evil.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

      You think Ruskin would like that Duchamp? That it “follows Nature”?
      You have to sort yourself out. This is the false part of you – the part that makes money in a false society. By all means keep doing it if you have to – just know that that’s what you are doing.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

      Thank you Soak. One pays one’s enemies a compliment by taking them seriously. No one is more destructive than “friends” who don’t believe and secretly mock. When Christ told of the Eurcharest to come, they said “That is a hard statement. Who can hear it”? Many, like SJ, turned away prefering weaker tea.

    • Vlad Krandz April 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

      Why not just take a dump on a plate and then put it on a podium in a gallery and call it macaroni?
      You could write about the lines and shades. And the aroma! Why does modern art exclude the olfactory? There, I have given you a bit Idea, now run with it.

    • IxNoMor April 15, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

      It’s all temporary, until it is no longer (or sumptin’)…

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    • truthteller April 15, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

      {“I’m not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago.”
      I think that George W. Bush, Jr. made student loans non-dischargeable debt, which can’t be cleared by declaring bankruptcy?}
      The FIRST THING I did, after being laid off three times in three years, and managing to wrangle a really good contract job, was to pay off my student loans, instead of my contractor IRS bill . . . I still owe the IRS five grand, but I owe my student loan masters zip . . . I figured you can negotiate with the IRS if it becomes necessary, but you can’t negotiate with those other bastards 🙂
      This is some food for thought and a plan for the Millenials . . . perhaps Gen-X can teach ’em a thing or two 🙂

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      Have you read the exposes by those conned by Raj /Osho?
      ===================
      I have read the exposes by ex-sannyasins and I have read the pro-Osho books by current sannyasins.
      Have you read both pro and con books?

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      Have you read the exposes by those conned by Raj /Osho?
      ===================
      I have read four books by ex-sannyasins. (do you know of more? I would be interested in titles)
      I have read about 80 books by Osho.
      I have read about 10 books by Osho sannyasins.
      Have you read exposes like Bhagwan: The God that Failed? Have you read exposes like Christopher Calder’s Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh and the Lost Truth?
      How many books by Osho have you read? Which ones?
      How many books by Osho sannyasins have you read? Which ones?
      To be fair and balanced I think it is important to read both pro and con books, and to read Osho himself. Of course, most people are happy with Osho, so there are few exposes and more books that praise Osho.
      What other expose books can you recommend?

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      And then extend and extrapolate, the carbon atom in your mind is a sofa plus a shoe, and your eye is and electron and your other eye is a galaxy and so on, and each of these are other condensed or exploded items since the galaxy that is your eye is made up of planets that are atoms but other planets that are completely newly designed Man Brains, and so on, up and down and all other kinds of extrapolations and so forth.
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      Or something like that…
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    • asoka. April 16, 2012 at 2:47 am #

      Calder speaks of the sannyas movement referring to it as a “cult”. I strongly disagree with his statements of Osho´s movement being a cult. Why?: Simply because some of the prerequisites to have any sort of cult, is to have systematic body or set of beliefs. A complete belief system that explains everything in terms of itself.
      As Calder knows, and has consistently argued, Osho contradicted himself a lot. It is practically impossible to create a cult out of Osho’s words. The only consistent idea in his talks is that of awareness and meditation. The rest is simply not systematic enough to do anything with it.
      If you are going to join a sect, you need to have something to believe…some promise of paradise or future enlightenment. You don’t join a sect that tells you that “you are already a Buddha, enlightened” (from “The heart sutra”) and that you just “need to come back home. However you are, you are beautiful the way your are” (from “The Goose is Out”).

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      And then extend and extrapolate, the carbon atom in your mind is a sofa plus a shoe, and your eye is an electron and your other eye is a galaxy and so on, and each of these are other condensed or exploded items since the galaxy that is your eye is made up of planets that are atoms but also other planets that are completely newly designed Man Brains, and so on, up and down and all other kinds of extrapolations and so forth.
      Or something like that…

    • asoka. April 16, 2012 at 3:36 am #

      your mind is a sofa plus a shoe, and your eye is an electron and your other eye is a galaxy …
      =============
      OMG! You have that experience, too?

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    • DeeJones April 16, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

      Asoka, I applaud you for standing up to those who call you “hate-filled”, when the exact opposite is the truth. You are truly the one filled with love.
      They are so hate-filled themselves that they cannott even see it. They look at you through hate-filled eyes, but only see the reflections of themselves, which they loath.
      Keep the mirror of love shining back at them, Asoka.
      I am sorry I am late here in supporting you, but have been very busy.
      Dee

    • asoka. April 16, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

      Thanks, DeeJones.
      I forgive them for they know not what they do.
      🙂

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    • Bustin J April 17, 2012 at 1:45 am #

      asoka siad “Unfortunately, on CFN most people do not consider philosophy and comparative religion to have “value,” because the kind of activity it engenders is not paid with pieces of green paper. ”
      CFN: obsessed with money. – check
      Stinkypants: “I pose a question… look where our world is today. Religion and philosophy hasn’t done a very good job, despite the fact they’ve had thousands of years to do so. Something is missing there.
      I’d rather know someone who can start a business and create jobs so that people can feed their families, or a chiropractor who can realign your bones, or someone who can fix my car. Anything but a Religionist or Philosopher.”
      What if the guy who fixes your car is the chiropractor that can realign your bones, and grows food to feed your family, so you can start a business?
      Thats peak oil in a nutshell, Stinkypants. Start learning other skills, other certifications, and become necessary to the people around you. Or GTFO.

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      BEIJING – A Chinese engineer recently vindicated the country’s accelerated railway technology,discharging safety cares regarding the world’s biggest accelerated rail network.

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      Railway architecture has generated jobs for extra than 6 million migrant personnel and stimulated the growth of the iron,concrete and other crude material sectors,onward to Wang.

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    • youmouyixia April 26, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

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    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??15081116787  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???15081116787 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<15081116787 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:15081116787 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 15081116787

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    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??15081116787 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???15081116787 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<15081116787 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:15081116787 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 15081116787

    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

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    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?>,> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/?,???25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?>,> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?………………………………………………………………………………? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ,???? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ??????????????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

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    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733 ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • kldlkgwd06 April 27, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,??,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • rhettp33 April 28, 2012 at 12:51 am #

      ?, Take out a very small greeting card in the bag from Chen in the chest, “give you, Christmas present.”
      The hard slip in white, the material of slip is very good, the tentacle is soft to get fed up with, there is also one in fine threads and aureate fine thread quickly passing time, this is a Christmas greeting card for doing, the cover contains the Santa Claus of cartoon, should be what Anne knows that water draws by himself/herself and open a greeting card, Anne knows that the aqueous photograph sketch is flicked open, she wears the Christmas hat in red and raises a piece of brand in hand, the last side writes”Li Lu from, remember to snowing!”
      “Is very beautiful!”Li Lu from marvel, although what some places do isn’t very fine, but the felling has much of new meaning,cheap hats sale, now where and someone can receive the Christmas card of do-it-yourself, or work hard very much of this kind.
      Anne knows that water looking at Li Lu from the exaggerated pleased facial expression, it is very satisfied to slightly twist body, oneself but make it really to work hard, originally still didn’t know to when send to Li Lu from of, feared oneself to prepare a gift, he didn’t give her the preparation, that had no face too much, however today is oneself to do amiss to settle a dispute feeling, take out first to at last make up he to him an in the mind side of sorry and ashamed.
      “I originally also prepared a gift for you, however because you say to can’t come to school today in the morning, I don’t also take on the body.”Li Lu from stretched to stretch hand, ” give°s your thing in the Dou me.”
      Anne knows water just some disappointment, after all thinks now will Li Lu from of gift of, groped for a short while in the pocket, threw that hot to the touch thing to Li Lu from inside in the hand, let the his whereabouts reason drop.
      Li Lu from take a condom to fill in the pocket, then make her walk first, the reason is two people to avoid first today.
      Anne knows although water still has a lot of

    • rhettp33 April 28, 2012 at 2:35 am #

      ?Break out the person of dint.
      Is dangerous, strong, dominate, the person like this exists on the ground, completely can control the whole atmosphere, rhythm of ground, victory and defeat.
      At least in China is so, such a teratism should not appear in China,cheap hats sale, but in the United States so NBA of holy land in basketball heart of athlete.
      “Arrive you, who slam down failure first, who admit defeat.”Li Lu from walk to Luo gram enemy before the body, one word a ground say:”Then apologize.”
      Luo gram the enemy took a look everywhere broken glass and unwillingly smiled to smile:”Return now how to play, even if you are emollient to annoy, also need not make like this, frighten a person?”
      “Can change a ground.”Li Lu from have no necessity the gram the enemy lends to Luo the machine goes down slope of opportunity, just the Duo Duo is pressingly also him.
      “You if broked and maded unusable a planked again to how do?”Luo gram enemy’s stand hand, then turn head toward his the teammates the Xi laugh merrily.
      Zhao Jing Zi You Xi Yang by this time and basically smiles not to come out, he has already just known Li Lu from stay a hand, can the person whom basketball hit to explode, still beat the not flat person’s head?
      Is much less just and so of slam down vehemence really too foot, Li Lu from come over here, even than Luo gram the enemy have already oppressed feeling more and let people’s leg keep trembling Suo.
      “Do not have fun?”Li Lu from is always to be to, wrong is wrong, he will insist his own principle, can will also the honesty admit mistake while making mistake, can also while supporting comity and feelings, oneself lowers the head apology first.
      Can he has never been used to attending to like this left talk him, tactful worldly-wisely evade.
      “You say how to do.”Luo gram the enemy is silent a short while, he didn’t take place of necessity, probably will be seen as don’t dare with Li Lu from compare, but that at least stay have already turned over origin and polemic

    • youmouyixia April 28, 2012 at 4:46 am #

        Japan’s Kyodo News reported, Kagoshima, Japan Maritime Security Department received a high-speed vessel from Kagoshima to Yakushima bound "Toppy" the report said, at about at 9:00 on the 22nd ship in Kagoshima Prefecture Sata cape west about 2kilometers of waters and marine organisms suspected whale collision. Was on board about 190 passengers and crew.  long dress
        Maritime Security Ministry said the two men and three crew members were injured, but conscious, has been carried away by the rescue helicopter. Two other passengers suffered minor injuries, many passengers said "ill".
        The vessel unable to sail, is to be patrol boats off the scene of the accident. The collision of maritime security will be available with whales and other large biological grounds to investigate the cause of the accident. prom dress
       

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    • mrx32zi16 April 28, 2012 at 8:32 am #

      EDITORIAL: Everton fans deserve bigger say than ex-players on Artetatrx suspension training pro pack wholesale online
      Man Utd formally accept Liverpool apologies

      Manchester United have formally accepted the apologies from Liverpool after the controversy at Old Trafford.

      United have accepted the apologies of Liverpool striker Luis Suarez and manager Kenny Dalglish over their actions at Saturday’s Premier League game at Old Trafford.

      United issued a statement on Sunday under the heading “Reds accept rivals’ apology” which read: “Manchester United thanks Liverpool for the apologies issued following Saturday’s game.

      “Everyone at Old Trafford wants to move on from this. The history of our two great clubs is one of success and rivalry unparalleled in British football.

      “That should be the focus in the future of all those who love the clubs.”

    • rhettp33 April 28, 2012 at 10:23 am #

      ?A years of hormone combustion.
      Much less what that female kid wear is still the uniform of school in the senior high school, let these eldest brother the elder brothers recall have university in have already hardly seen purely and green puckery.
      The female kid’s slogan is very bold, that face, that shape, that long leg, and smile the eyebrow with very soft idea eye light young girl is charmingly feminine, be good enough to let people to want to disregard to occupy that”love of embrace”.
      She opened arm, appearance for female kid to wait for embrace each other,cheap hats sale, particularly captivating, will make people want to try very hard to hug into a bosom.
      Li Lu from try very hard to of reason but different, his younger sister, his plum, how can drive a group of whole body does the guy of the body odor embrace?He cherish most of younger sister, how can send”love of embrace” to in addition to he outside of anyone?
      This is to occupy desire is doing mischief?Li Lu from don’t know, but he can affirm, if oneself could not run the first and can’t made people blunt, either to embrace Li ban Zhuang in the past, he absolutely rushed through to will have the guy one punch dozen of scheme to fly before Li Ban Zhuang is embraced.
      Li Lu Anna shows to say to knock down owner to is a first, from not so dry, can if for the sake of Li Ban Zhuang, Li Lu from will don’t hestitate.
      Want to shout him to be big elder brother Jiu, taste the fist of the brave violent in action of big elder brother Jiu first.
      The person, who sprints, no longer uses finish line as a target, but uses embracing of young girl as terminal point, a group of persons can separate at an on-linely sprinted activity to become for sprinting a point, immediately appeared a burst of disorder, several personal beginnings pushed the ground of Sang Sang to rob to have the most beneficial position.
      When the crowd hustles together, sprint is no longer come to a decision by speed, someone starts pulling the front person’s pants, someone grasps hair, someone

    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?>,> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ?,????120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?>,> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?,??????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?,????? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?>,> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

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    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ?18782093733  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?………………………………………………………………………………? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,??!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ??????????????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733 ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 April 28, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

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      If orchid after the this words of Ya Shuo Wan, a burst of froufrou rings from the beginning crest that exuberant hat to spread and show on the big Huai tree tree body that the gorgeous color that come out also dimed down.
      If orchid the friendship sees this scene surprise of the favour turn head to see toward Liu Wen Yuan, “master Liu, all right.”
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      Liverpool management sweat over fitness of World Cup players

      Liverpool No2 Sammy Lee admits they’ll be sweating on the fitness of their players during the World Cup.

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      Everton and Newcastle United are among clubs keen on the midfielder.

    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:12 am #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-? ? ? ? ??18782093733  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ?? =======? ? ? ??? ? ?100%======== ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:15 am #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

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    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:21 am #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,??,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:34 am #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ??? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:40 am #

      ? ? ? ? ? ?-?18782093733 ? ? ? ? ?????????? ? ? ????1.? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????2.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?……………………………………………………………………………….? ??? ? ? ????3.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?1-2? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ???18782093733 ? ? ??? ? ————? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ?\? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?<<18782093733 >>,<? ? ? ?)<<? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?,? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ?.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ??2011 ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? 12 ? ? ? ???120????? ?100??1.8w ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?? ??? ? ?5000?????6000???/ ???28 ?? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!? ? ?,???? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ?@? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?! ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??tel:18782093733 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?, [? ? ? ?] ?? ? ? ?????? ? ? ? ? ? ? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??380/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??320/?? [? ? ?]?? ??250/?? [? ? ?]?? ??220/?? [? ?]?? ??450/?? [? ?]?? ??420/?? ?………………………………………………………………………………..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?????? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ??? ??? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ?,???? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? 2000 ? / ? ????? ?2?? ? ? ? (? ? ? ?) 25kg/ ? ? ? 1000 ? / ? ??3 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 180 ? / ? ??4 ? ? ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? ? 4200 ? / ? ??5 ? ? ? ? 25 ? ? / ? 2800 ?/ ? ?????????6 ? ? ? 25 ? ?/ ? ? ? 700 ? /? ?????7 ? ? ? ? ? ? 160kg/ ? ? ? 100 ?/ ? ???? ?8 ? ? ? 25kg / ? ? ? 700 ? / ? ?????9 ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? 5? ?/??25? ?/ ? ? ? 4600 ?/ ? ???10 ? ? ? 5 ? ? / ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 70000?/? ? ?11 ? ? ? 1kg/ ? ? ? 12000 ?/ ? ?????12 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? 4800 ?/ ? ?????????13 ? ? ? ? ? 5??/? 25kg/ ? 7800 ?/ ? ?????14 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 2800/ ? ???????????15 ? ? ? ? ? 20kg/ ? 100kg/ ? 500 ?/? ?????16 ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 800 ?/ ? ?????????????17 ? ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? ? ? ? 800 ? / ? ?????18 ? ? ? ? 25kg/ ? 250 ? / ? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????????. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? 18782093733

    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:46 am #

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    • saynabpb31 May 1, 2012 at 9:52 am #

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    • mrx32yp37 May 3, 2012 at 7:03 am #

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      Napoli coach Walter Mazzarri insists they were the superior team after last night’s 0-0 draw with Inter Milan.

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      ??he fact Inter resorted to time-wasting is a compliment to us and shows how much trouble they were having.??/p>

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    • mrx32gv59 May 5, 2012 at 6:19 am #

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      Manchester City star Carlos Tevez insists winning the Europa League is a very important goal for the club this season.

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    • mrx32zj08 May 6, 2012 at 1:42 am #

      The Football Association has told Sky Sports they are ‘heartened’ that goal-line technology testing is in its final stages.

      The FA has long been in favour of bringing in the new technology to help with crucial decisions.

      The whole issue again came to the fore over the weekend when Chelsea were awarded a goal against Tottenham, which replays showed should not have stood.

      Goal-line technology would have meant Juan Mata’s goal at Wembley not being allowed, with the issue being investigated by FIFA. The FA is a firm supporter of using such technology.

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      “The FA has been consistent supporters of the introduction of goal-line technology for over a decade,” an FA spokesman told Sky Sports.

      “We are heartened that we are now in the final stages of testing with IFAB due to take a final decision on 2 July.”

      IFAB must be satisfied with the speed and accuracy of Hawk-Eye or GoalRef before high-tech aids for referees can be deployed in football for the first time.

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          BEIJING – . ‘s business surplus because April 0c64d957a43cd085d576a91d3383b0pikestaffd . $11.42 billion from $139 actor amid Maccomplished The advance came for the nation’s exports ariseed because of lusty aboundth,while doaccoutrement imports apatheticed,beijing tour,advanced . the General Adadvancement of Cus . ms.

          The columnistities appear on Tuesday that April exports rose 29.nine percent from a annual beforehand . $155.7 billion,and imports added by 21.eight percent . $144.three billion.

          Ranimated accounts:
            . ‘s April trade surplus angles at $11b
            . says not gluttonous actual barter surplus with US
            . . discern trade surplus among 2011: Vice Minister
           Trade surplus ‘ . abatement added’ among 2011

          “As . ‘s astringeing admeasurements . arctic the economy choke aback clamminess of arch imports of bolt alone and import advance is lower than accepted,mentioned Li Wei,an econobrume from Standard Chartered Bank ( . ) Limited.

          Deanimosity the adageum every month business surplus this year ables mentioned the United States has not acumen . abuseion . aboard yuan appreciation,as the commerce surplus namely expected . abatement acutely this year apparently . “$100 billion”, acknowledgment . continuing applyions aboard yuan appreciation plus rising disposable assets.

          Imports of adamant abundanceral by accumulated fell by 11 percent and bronze beadped 14 percent from the March amount,forward . the Cus . ms’ data.

          To curb aggrandizement, . has aloft absorption 16ed0be4e983de50d57cb906151bairne four times back mid-Oc . ber and has inchannelled the accumulate call because accommodateers seven aeons.

          “The impact of conaustereing aboard imports) aspiration apcarvently continue during the afterward few months,” Li said

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          From January . April, . ‘s aample additions of coke grew by 409 percent plus jewel metals billowd by 111 percent.

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          . ‘s April exports . the EU rose by 19.seven percent In the aforementioned month, Chinese exports . the US rose by 22.four percentage,while tcorrupt . Japan grew by 27 percentage

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          “Chinese exports want abide . be brawny this year alone they ambition be beated by the beforehand within imports,cone-shaped the surplus this annual”

          . annalsed a commerce shortage of $1.02 billion during the first 15 min Chen Deming, Minister of Commerce,said the nation would accompany accomplishments . enhance imports plus balance business.

          Chen aswell mentioned . ‘s trade surplus want debulge this annual plus the ratio of the surplus . GDP want allayment beneath four percentage Many experts adumbrateed that the surplus aspiration drop . $150 billion this year from $180 billion last yearly.

          Wang acknowledgmented the acceptation arrest amidst April abuttalsion not endure.

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          Now, for your quick tropical update. Everything is quiet in both the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific.

          Hope yall are having a great Monday and I’ll have another post tomorrow morning. Continue to pray for the tornado victims and those affected by damaging weather events.

          Good Morning! At Smithville, MS, the current temperature is 72 and it feels like 72. Severe Thunderstorm Warning is in effect for Monroe County, MS until 6:15am. Highs will continue to range between 85 and 92 with lows between 61 and 69. There is a 60% chance of scattered thunderstorms today. An intense line of storms is pushing through North MS right now. Storm is moving Southeast at 60mph and producing winds of 70mph. It is beginning to rain here now at Smithville. Heavy rain, isolated flash flooding, large hail, damaging winds are all possible this morning and throughout the day. At the Regional Rehab Center in Tupelo, MS, the current temperature is 72 and it feels like 72. Todays high is 88 and a low of 68 with a 60% chance of scattered thunderstorms. Tuesdays high is 87.

          Now, for your quick tropical update. Everything is quiet in both the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific.

          Hope yall are having a great Monday and I’ll have another post tomorrow morning. Continue to pray for the tornado victims and those affected by damaging weather events.