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State of the Union

   The fog of chatter about Federal Reserve money-printing shenanigans, currency wars, fiscal intransigence, exchange rates, and alphabetized rescue operations conceals the central reality of the historical moment: that all industrial economies now face epic contraction, even rip-roaring China in its absurd and spectacular bid to become the latest drive-in utopia. The so-called advanced nations of the world are all sliding toward something less than they wish to be, and the so-called developing nations will backslide further into poverty and anarchy where development will never happen.
     The implacable contraction underway is the simple result of growing scarcity of cheap oil, the master resource. Thus, in a world where fantasy has replaced analysis, the propaganda channels brim with false news of America’s coming “energy independence” and the rebirth of domestic manufacturing, the coming electric car fleet, and space tourism. There is also chatter among the paranoid that an imagined elite has deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit, with sideshows about the Department of Homeland Security promoting social upheaval in order to make a show of putting it down. This is all bullshit concealing the futile machinations of people so unfortunate as to hold political office in an unraveling they can’t control. Where control is no longer possible, paranoid fantasies fill the vacuum of wishing for control.
     One thing you can be sure of: the current sociopolitical weather will change. A front will blow through and sweep the fog away. So many circles of hazard are spinning around events that some fast-turning object will come off its axis and start smashing all the fantasies. When that happens, it will be every community for itself, and where there are no real communities — for instance, the vast matrix of suburban noplaces that America emergently composed itself out of in a tragic quest to become its own televised fantasy — we’ll discover the dark side of the “liberty” that so-called conservatives endlessly invoke, in all its screaming eagle iconography.
    Not since the Civil War (1861 – 65) has anything bad of this scale happened within the United States itself and the public is unprepared despite our total immersion in the on-screen ersatz heroics of avatars such as Dwayne Johnson. The terrible convulsion of the 1860s was preceded by a political time much like ours is now, with figures (calling them leaders is inaccurate) of no conviction backpedaling furiously toward strife.
     Remember these things if you tune in to watch President Obama move his lips on Tuesday amid the incessant applause in the House chamber. He’ll speak the words “climate change” and the hall will rock with thunderous handclapping — but it won’t mean anything because both the president and the people have no intention of changing the way we live. Mr. Obama will cheerlead for economic growth and he will be talking out of his ass. It’s the nature of this contraction that economic growth is absent. You can have plenty of economic activity — especially if you re-form (literally) the systems we depend on, such as farming, commerce, medicine, and transportation — but it won’t be expressed favorably in the GDP stats or the balance sheets of CitiGroup and Morgan Stanley.
     At the core of this contraction is the disappearing act of real capital — that is, accumulated wealth — for the excellent reason that we are squandering what remains of it in the futile effort to keep living the way we do. But it will be vanishing fast, contrary to the view of such fantasists as David Leonhardt, Washington bureau chief of The New York Times — catch him on the current Slate Political Gabfest — who thinks that the Growth Fairy is about to land on the south lawn of the White House.
     The State of the Union Address is happening in a peculiar quiet moment when all the financial brushfires of the time have been reduced temporarily to a smolder that conceals the full involvement of the roots under the surface. Our economic system is burning down. Nobody wants to talk about the system that will have to replace it, which I call a world made by hand.
     The fortunate few will be those who have already established themselves in an authentic community of helping hands, who have some tools — and I don’t mean Adobe Photoshop or the latest iPhone app — and laid in some bits of silver and gold. 
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About James Howard Kunstler

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. Leibowitz Society February 11, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    The state of the union is now disunion. There’s really nothing much else to say about it and any politician trying to pretend otherwise is living a fantasy or telling a lie. We are well on our way to the collapse of our civilization from too much overreach.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2013/02/edge-of-reality.html for more information and discussion about our coming Dark Age, as well as how to prepare for it.

  2. k-dog February 11, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    Both the president and the people have no intention of changing the way we live. Mr. Obama will cheerlead for economic growth and he will be talking out of his ass.

    To lie is bad, to lie with power, despicable.

  3. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Not since the Civil War (1861 – 65) has anything bad of this scale happened within the United States itself…
    =============
    I don’t know. Many claim overpopulation is THE problem, and the Civil War was a great way to reduce the population. In fact, had they dragged it out another decade, they very well may have reduced the population of the United States at the time by fifty percent. Therefore, what is needed is another “bad thing” to mitigate the worst thing, namely a new Civil War to reduce the population. Otherwise, the Plutocrats will implement their own plan that may also involve a Civil War, but one at their behest, and not at the behest of Unwashed.

  4. Neon Vincent February 11, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    I knew you couldn’t resist the State of the Union Address to give one of your own. Too bad I didn’t make a prediction like I did about the Super Bowl blackout. That came true; you mentioned it. As for your assessment, yes, this crisis is in some ways worse than the combined Great Depression/WWII and could reach Civil War proportions. The difference is that the Democrats and Republicans have switched sides. Also, this is more an urban-rural split than a North-South one. Just the same, it’s a recipe for disaster. I’ve found that whenever things go wrong, one of the first things that happens is that people blame their old enemies, regardless of who or what is really at fault.
    I haven’t touched the State of the Union Address at all, but I did blog twice about the Super Bowl blackout. I also wrote a lot about Nemo, the storm, not the fish or noble villain, the gas price rollercoaster, sex and love, and cats. Yes, cats, which are apparently a bigger threat to small wildlife than even the most die-hard fans of cats as mousers know. Doesn’t matter to me, I’m keeping my cats.
    Finally, Happy Year of the Snake and Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  5. RyeBeachBum February 11, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    Talk about wish full thinking, Yahoo news has today a nice story about the forthcoming US High Speed Rail Network to be built by 2020, and will only cost $1-2 Trillion,
    also Jim don’t forget to lay in some non hybrid heirloom seeds in the mix, otherwise your garden tools will only be good for one growing season.

  6. DeeJones February 11, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    Jim, enjoy reading your commentary on Monday morns, or whenever I get around to it, and even the first few hours or so of comments posted on subject are interesting. After Monday eve, well, not so much.
    It still amazes me when I read in US publications about US energy “independence”, and how the US is exporting petrol products, ignoring that facts that can be found on their own CIA Factbook that the US not only consumes the largest amounts of petrol, but consumes more than Europe and Asia combined, and the so-called exports are only finished products derived from crude shipped here by So. American countries that can’t refine it them selves. The shear dis-ingeniousness of even claiming this as an export shows how corrupt the news media is, as well as the thinking that goes on behind it all.
    As for the developing countries, well, we won’t have as far to fall as the US will when the oil runs out, most people here will just park the SUV and saddle up the horse and go about their business, but at a much slower pace in a new hand-made world, not unlike the way they did things only 10-20 years ago.
    Keep up the post Jim, and thanks.
    Dee

  7. wardoc February 11, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    Can’t really disagree with any of the above concepts that Jim has laid out. But, despite the fact that the world made by hand is in the future. What comes before that, and what no one really wants to talk about is WORLD MADE BY BLOOD. We are a delusional national of highly entitled whiners and takers, in the main, and when our toys are no longer useful, when the govmint food cards no longer work, when the grocery shelves are empty and we must feed ourselves, etc, etc., the shit will truly “hit the fan,” and the gloves come off.
    Lock and load. Unless of course you want to be one of the liberal robotic weenies with a sign in your front yard reading, “Gun Free home and proud of it.” That way the hungry masses will know where to go first for food, sex and whatever they want.
    🙂

  8. RyeBeachBum February 11, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Jim I do have to wonder why, as reported by Investors Business daily that the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds. on top of the more than 1.6 billion they have already stockpiled. They say it is for training, but as IBD says
    “They must be pretty poor shots.”
    IBD further says that “To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.”

  9. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    which I call a world made by hand.
    =========
    The Greeks are one step ahead of us in building that world by hand. Instead of relying on the corrupt, unfunded and gutted utilities, they are building their own fires with real wood to keep themselves warm, the forests be damned.

  10. Dirk February 11, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Certainly overpopulation is key to understanding what is about to happen. The human race has convieniently ignored the generally well proven laws of ecology that govern all living species, at least on this planet. Primary to this is the fact that weather and climate limit populations from ever reaching maximum numbers of individuals, thwarting exponetial increase. We, however, as brother Kunstler has pointed out on numerous occasions, have had the luxury of beating the odds, albeit only temporarily, by intrusive and liberal infusions of very cheap oil. (Think about this the next time you turn up the heat on a cold winter night) We are so far over what would normally be a fairly level and stable population (without cheap oil) that the drastic population correction facing us is simply unthinkable. Reality does not care about our American Dream aspirations or that we consider ourselves a ‘Christian nation’, blessed by God. Have fun storming the castle!!!

  11. Cam Mather February 11, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Hey Jim, great take on the world. I think I’m that guy you describe at the end, but in the context of what you suggest, I’m sure any of us are going to have much fun. Well, at least we can share what we’re learned! http://www.cammather.com/

  12. mjc1959 February 11, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Sounds about right to me.

  13. Casual Observer February 11, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    “to lie is bad”
    So what? All politicians lie. They don’t want the people to know the truth. Because we can’t handle it.

  14. Pat Ormsby February 11, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    I was alerted by a source that I don’t trust (Benjamin Fulford), that a dual US currency has arisen, and this was confirmed by a source I do trust (a personal friend engaged in international commerce). Apparently, dollars issued overseas are being accepted as international currency, but dollars issued and circulating in America are increasingly not. People returning to Japan from America, for example, and attempting to exchange their dollars are being told they cannot. I learned this just a few days ago and have not been able to find anything on the Net about it yet. I guess most travelers just use plastic, and the Japanese are stoic. They are told there is a problem with counterfeits. Fulford speculates that this is overseas banks’ reaction to the Fed’s massive printing of dollars.

  15. Loveandlight February 11, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    I wonder if the real reason Pope Benedict XVI resigned was because he doesn’t want to be in office when everything starts falling apart?

  16. pedal pusher February 11, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    “The President will cheerlead for “economic growth”…”
    It’s true – and the people will buy it, at least tentatively. They hope against hope, thus proving that the larger the flock the more sheepish its members. It’s human nature. We work well enough in concert within the clan or tribal context, but not so well on the larger ‘civilized’ scale. Hierarchies become too insular, and the collective narrative too general – too abstract: “Pax Roma”, “the thousand-year Reich”, “democracy’s last best hope”, “drill, baby, drill”; and let us not forget that State of the Union classic, “America’s best days lie ahead!”
    All drivel of course. Jesus summed it up nicely when he said, “my people swallow a camel but chock on a gnat”. Two thousand years later Hitler echoed this sentiment, “tell the people the big lie; they will believe the big lie over the small one”.

  17. Mutha Pucker February 11, 2013 at 9:58 am #

    I highly recommend reading Ju lian Ass..ange’s new book “Cypherpunks” if one wants to understand the future of the Internet.
    It looks like a future of total surveillance, which Assange defines as to..tal itar,,ian.
    There will be more “communication”, but because of sur,,veill ance “communication” will be what Ass ange describes as “degraded”.
    At some point, one may start to hope for Collapse.

  18. wardoc February 11, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    I heard something similar from a close friend, a very honest and straight shooting retired physician, who just returned from Europe. In several countries, he could not use USDs that he carried with him from here to Europe, but he could use his plastic to get money out of their banks and ATMS and “exchange” was allowed. Agree about Ben Fulford, strange enigmatic guy.
    Wardoc

  19. MisterbadExample February 11, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    Well put.
    Everyone makes fun of Republicans with their delusional thinking (rape won’t cause pregnancy, evolution is a myth, etc) but the lies the Democrats tell themselves are just as numerous and pernicious. They’re just harder to spot because so many of them are ‘conventional wisdom’ at this point. I’m ready to throw things at the tv when MSNBC’s commentators come on to chirpily announce that the US is exporting oil, or cheerlead for Obama for repeating the ‘100 years of natural gas’ lie.
    http://moveforchangebkculturejam.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/sht-many-democrats-believe/

  20. ozone February 11, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    Mr. K, you say:
    “One thing you can be sure of: the current sociopolitical weather will change. A front will blow through and sweep the fog away. So many circles of hazard are spinning around events that some fast-turning object will come off its axis and start smashing all the fantasies. When that happens, it will be every community for itself, and where there are no real communities — for instance, the vast matrix of suburban noplaces that America emergently composed itself out of in a tragic quest to become its own televised fantasy — we’ll discover the dark side of the “liberty” that so-called conservatives endlessly invoke, in all its screaming eagle iconography.”
    That is really an excellent envisioning of an abstract thought/striving that will turn out to have real-world consequences. Nicely done, as per usual.
    I had commented on the latest milking scheme of Celente’s “white-shoe boys” buying up water rights on a grand scale. Someone laid out to me how this is going to go, and it’s an apt vision of the modern way of corporate behavior:
    1.) They’ll buy up the ownership of “water systems”.
    2.) Immediately raise the price.
    Grumpy customers will complain, but it’s still almost affordable.
    3.) Prices will be raised again and again. (Incrementally; the boiling frog.)
    4.) Prices reach the tipping point where real threats of stout ropes and neck-stretching come to the fore.
    5.) The white-shoe boys scamper out of town with bulging carpetbags, having ever done a stitch of infrastructure maintenance, other than a few patches on completely failed parts.
    6.) They intend to trade these “financial instruments” for an Italian villa, complete with servants, an unending stream of high-end call girls, and mind-boggling comforts, luxury and gadgets, forever and ever, amen.
    Then I thought, “Yes, quite so, BUT, #6 may prove to be the monkey-wrench in the grand plan.”
    Who is going to honor this pile of paperwork and electronic bytes? How much longer are they going to be considered “representational” of actual hard assets? Much questionable faith and trust is required.
    I think that’s where the rubber is going to meet the road… the road will turn out to be impassable and the bridge will be out.

  21. DeeJones February 11, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    Many countries will not accept US dollars of certain denominations, or if they are too ‘old’, or too ‘new’ looking (possible fake).
    Also, many merchants will not accept dollars if it means that THEY have to take them to a bank to exchange them, thus getting stuck with an exchange fee. So they will only accept the ‘local’ currency. Travelers should have no problems exchanging dollars at a bank, for example, or in using thier debit or credit cards.
    This is a non-story, which someone is trying to conflate into something it is not.
    Dee (in Costa Rica)

  22. routersurfer February 11, 2013 at 10:17 am #

    The truth hurts. But a good way to start the week,Jim. Nice Job on the Podcast!! One of the best first time podcasts I have heard. Welcome back. We all owe Aaron Swartz.RIP little brother.

  23. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 10:17 am #

    I hear he has a nice little villa at Auschwitz with a fantastic view of the location where the Crematoriums once stood. He will spend his last days there, fondly stroking Der Fuehrer’s little worn Bavarian hunting cap. The one with the feather in it. The villa is tastefully decorated and highlights his Zyklon B canister collection.

  24. Alpinist1974 February 11, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    “He’ll speak the words “climate change” and the hall will rock with thunderous handclapping — but it won’t mean anything because both the president and the people have no intention of changing the way we live.”
    Indeed. I’ll be heading down to D.C. next Sunday to join the Keystone XL protest. From what I hear, he’s currently inclined to approve that pipeline, which, according to 350.org, is one of the 10 world energy mega-projects that will completely sink the climate if that carbon gets released. As much as I’d like to, I don’t think we can count on an economic crash happening in time to slow down the energy companies; they always seem to find a way.
    I’ll let you know how it goes, here:
    http://thewayback.drupalgardens.com

  25. DeeJones February 11, 2013 at 10:26 am #

    Again, in most places that are US tourist destinations, or have a large tourist population, they are able to deal with dollars and the exchanges at the local banks, so most big merchants have no problems accepting dollars.
    However, it you are off the beaten path, or in some small, non-touristy town, the local merchants may not want to pay the exchange fees for converting dollars back into the local currency for thier daily use.
    You can use your debit/credit card to take money from your home bank account in the LOCAL currency, and depending on the bank, you may pay only a small conversion fee.
    In most Central & South American countries, the dollar is readily accepted in most large cites. You may only run into a hesitation to accept them if you are in a small town where it may cost the local merchant to take them to the bank for conversion to local currency, in which case they will ask you to pay with credit or debit, or do an exchange at the local bank.
    Again, this is a non-story,
    Dee

  26. ozone February 11, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    “Can’t really disagree with any of the above concepts that Jim has laid out. But, despite the fact that the world made by hand is in the future. What comes before that, and what no one really wants to talk about is WORLD MADE BY BLOOD. We are a delusional national of highly entitled whiners and takers, in the main, and when our toys are no longer useful, when the govmint food cards no longer work, when the grocery shelves are empty and we must feed ourselves, etc, etc., the shit will truly “hit the fan,” and the gloves come off.” -wardoc
    Wanna hear a good one that indicates the entitled (and lazy) mindset of “da populace”?
    A commentator on NPR couldn’t get out to get to work because of the snow. She begged and wheedled the snow-blower operator not to further bury her car (while he was clearing the street). He did her this favor and then she said that she didn’t feel like digging her car out today.
    WTF?? Does she think that some chivalrous soul is going to come along and do it FOR her? I can’t abide lazy takers and users like this non-contributor in a time of emergency. They are not going to last long when the shit REALLY starts; this storm is just a tiny glimpse of things to come, and I have no intention of helping those who have no intention of helping themselves (except to other peoples labor and misplaced compassion).

  27. routersurfer February 11, 2013 at 10:28 am #

    The truth hurts. But a good way to start the week,Jim. Nice Job on the Podcast!! One of the best first time podcasts I have heard. Welcome back. We all owe Aaron Swartz.RIP little brother.

  28. ccm989 February 11, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    It may be true that in Greece people are burning furniture and books to stay warm, but the USA is not Greece and never will be. The economy is no more likely to collapse than zombies taking over. Even if we get sequestration, which we won’t, the GOP wants the US to spend more money on building tanks (although the US Military does NOT want more tanks according to the report on CBS’ 60 Minutes) and where would they get their lobbyist loot if there are no more excess tanks? Also if we stop handing out food cards, little kids go hungry. So do the poor white trash break out their assault weapons and go kill their next door neighbors who grow and can food? Probably not. Too busy looting the liquor store of all their beer! PWT have their priorities and lots of kids are too fat anyway.
    The world has been going to hell in a handbag since the Bible was written. Still we are here relatively safe and warm – despite 9/11, Nemo, Hurricane Sandy, Y2K, 2008 Financial Meltdown. We’ll just make do. And even if all the oil vanishes overnight, we always have good old fashioned backs to do whatever labor we need. Whether its digging up the backyard to grow a Victory Garden or bicycling to our minimum wage jobs, we’ll be OK. And a lot of us will actually feel lucky and grateful that no matter what we have our families, our friends and our neighbors to look out for each other. And that beats money in the bank or oil at the pump.

  29. Zoltar February 11, 2013 at 10:51 am #

    I am always amused by the fools who think they will be safe because they own a gun – or a hundred. You can “lock and load” 24/7, but a single sniper can take you out any time you open your door. And good luck when the local warlord arrives at your place with ten gun nuts who follow his orders.

  30. ComradeDystopia February 11, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    Phew!
    Alls I can say is Amen to that, Jim.
    Just one point, though. Up in Windsor, Ct, one of those Dollar Store type outfits that import cheap junk from China and sells it here at a discount is building a One Million Square Ft. Warehouse, ontop of some the most productive farmland in the United
    states, with swag provided by our bankrupt State Govt. as a part of some Economic Development Scheme. By law they have to pay ‘prevailing union wages’ so laborers are pulling down $40 per hour, which I think is the point of the project to begin with. So yes, this place is getting wobbly, endgame might be just down the road, but we have to get this warehouse up and running fist!
    == ComradeDystopia

  31. insufferable February 11, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    Good summary for now. The snow blizzard and hurricaine sandy are metaphors for the real state of the union.

  32. LifeSupport February 11, 2013 at 11:05 am #

    I was doing a bit of light reading last night, and a sentence jumped out at me:
    “He [Marx] argues that a core requirement of a capitalist society is that a large portion of the population must not possess sources of self-sustenance that would allow them to be independent, and must instead be compelled, to survive, to sell their labor for a living wage.”
    Whether the industrialization of our agricultural sector was mostly forced (say through policies implemented by Ag Secretery Earl Butz and others) or mostly an inevitable consequence of the growth of cities and all the promises they hold — opportunities for obtaining wealth through innovation, entrepreneurship, and massive networking; a wider range of enticing consumer products and entertainment; just the general thrill that comes from being within the energy field of thousands of people gathered closely together — the result would seem to be the same: We have become mostly a nation of laborers-for-hire who have lost most of the skills (and the land) that provided our forebears with the means to live independent, self-sustaining lifestyles. Paul Harvey’s God-made Farmer went out with the buggy whip. Meanwhile, the greater portion of the wealth we drones create gets siphoned off to further feed the machinery of capitalist growth and further fatten the purses of the privileged few who hold the reins.
    Should the whole thing happen to blow up, that would so suck for a lot of people, and not just the fat cats at the top. Still, seeing stuff blow up does have a certain appeal. If I’ve watched the Mount St. Helens footage once, I’ll bet I’ve watched it a hundred times. The Tsar bomb is another one that never gets old. Beauty and horror combined, in massive doses. In “Talking WWIII Blues”, Bob Dylan noted: “…Now it seems everbody’s seeing them dreams. Everybody sees theirself walking around with no one else”. The Cuban Missile Crisis had a big impact on my 7-year-old psyche, and I totally related to that song the first time I heard it, raised as I had been under the nuclear sword of Damocles. Nowadays I don’t see myself so much as the protagonist in that story. More like the “Vancouver, Vancouver, THIS IS IT” guy. Hit me. I’m ready for whatever’s next.
    I do worry about my kids, tho.

  33. k-dog February 11, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    “The shear dis-ingeniousness of even claiming this as an export shows how corrupt the news media is.”
    A very good point !!

  34. Nastarana February 11, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    Benedict was elected by American cardinals voting as a block. or so I believe. Pres. GW Bush stayed in Rome for three days after the funeral of John Paul, seeing the sights, touring aintiquities, visiting museums and maybe taking in a performance at the renowned Music Academy of Santa Cecelia. We all know what a refined and cultured fellow our esteemed former president is, right.
    I imagine, speculation only, that what was promised was repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which Republicans have NEVER intended to accomplish. R. officials and their business paymasters do have girlfriends, after all, and sometimes the occasional little problem does arise.
    Reasons for this morning’s announcement will no doubt emerge eventually.
    I do think there are two things which are pretty clear at the present time:
    The alliance between RW evangelicals, Republican business interests and conservative Catholics is over. Conservatives never could win elections without Catholic voters.
    We will very likely have a third world Pope, possibly a man from Africa.
    I suspect that US govt. operatives will find that they have little or no influence on this conclave.

  35. Kitaj February 11, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    I’ve seen videos of this Fulford guy on youtube – he often comes off as an unbalanced nutcase. New age writer David Wilcock and his cultic followers have embraced this Fulford guy completely.
    Dave and Fulford believe that Asian “secret societies” in conjunction with a US military coup are going to take down the “New World Order Illuminati” blah blah blah, or something like that – I listen to such people For Entertainment Purposes Only, though their wild speculating does not preclude them getting a few things right.
    Just remember, they have a hungry audience that needs to be constantly fed with conspiracies and counter-conspiracies to keep them tuning in. Dave pushes aliens and a new Golden Age just around the corner, and of course he presents himself as one of the Stars in this Dramatic Narrative, claiming he has all kinds of Inside Information and etc.

  36. kulturcritic* February 11, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    The more contraction, James; the more real tools we need, along with the imagination to use them properly. Sandy kC

  37. ozone February 11, 2013 at 11:18 am #

    Yessir,
    Milk it for all it’s worth!
    See what I mean about the carpetbaggers sneaking out of town in the dead of night, while “duh populace” fall upon one another in a frenzy of revenge for ancient/manufactured slights and insults?
    Believe it or no, Stephen King outlined this very well (and entertainingly) in “Needful Things”. It’s a theme he returns to time and time again. …That’s because it exposes the darkness that really does lurk within; it rings a doleful and hyper-resonant bell we’d rather not acknowledge.
    Get ‘er up and running; it’ll make a fine facility for warehousing humans when the plastic shit bid’nez goes bust. (Until the flat roof fails, that is. Then it’s just a big, crumbling box of wasted sheet metal, iron pipe and copper wiring, etc.) Repurpose, recycle, reuse. Why, it’s the “employment” of the future; a “growth industry” if you will!

  38. Steve M. February 11, 2013 at 11:26 am #

    Did anyone catch Bill Maher’s panel discussion about the difficulties about building advanced infrastructure in this country? I felt like giving up right then and there!

  39. RyeBeachBum February 11, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    According to Nostradamus and Saint Malachy the 268th pope will be the last Pope, Benedict is number 267.

  40. lsjogren February 11, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    Timing, guys. I think Malthus will have proven correct with his prediction, but he got the timing way wrong.
    The current state of human society can probably be sustained for at least a couple more decades, thanks to the unlocking of unconventional oil and gas supplies.
    Unfortunately, both major political factions will rationalize why there is no need to use that as a transitional period for the post-oil age. Conservatives will simply claim we can keep the oil flowing indefinitely, and progressives will cling to their delusion that solar power can replace fossil fuels in the forseeable future.

  41. GAZ February 11, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    It is widely believed that the last pope of the Catholic Church will succeed Pope Benedict XVI. Many people believe that we are in “the end times.” That the signs are all around us. St. Malachy, (d. 1148) Irish Bishop and Seer, produced an accurate list of future popes which began with Pope Celestine II in the year 1143. His list consists of a single line which gives a clue to the characteristics of each pope. From this list of 112 popes there is to be just one more after Pope Benedict XVI. His predictions regarding the popes have been for the most part pretty accurate regarding the identifying characteristics that each line reveals. St. Malachy doesn’t give any predictions or information about what happens after the last pope. However, according to other seers, we will have arrived at the end times.
    ……hmmmmmm….interesting.

  42. GAZ February 11, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Will The January Effect Get Swallowed By The Snake? – The ever-alert Jim Brown, over at Option Investor, notes that the year of the snake is historically the least bullish of the twelve signs in the Asian zodiac. The prior snake (2001) saw a loss of 13.1% after losing 28% at one point. In the snake before that (1989), the S&P did manage a gain of 9.7%, while 1977 saw a loss of 17.5%.
    Rick Weissman of Gleacher and Company cited the rather spotty event record for past years of the snake. We saw things like 9/11 (2001), the attack on Pearl Harbor (1941) and the stock market crash (1929).
    …..hmmmmmm….another one…..interesting.

  43. ozone February 11, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    Does JHK’s warning about self-imposed, Nation-wide delusions have a cosmic convergence with the resignation of duh pope? Yow.
    Speaking of things popey, and the [very rare] resignations thereof, check this skullduggery and power play involving Pope Greg, the 12th. (There is no “gawd” at work in this fun story, peeps. If you think there is… then gawd he’p you. ;o)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_XII
    ***********************
    ********************

  44. bossier22 February 11, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    The U.S. was at a stable population with reduction in sight when the ptb turned on the third world immigration spigot.

  45. anotherplayaguy February 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

    “The fortunate few will be those who have already established themselves in an authentic community of helping hands, who have some tools — and I don’t mean Adobe Photoshop or the latest iPhone app — and laid in some bits of silver and gold.”
    And guns. And ammo.

  46. asoka: February 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    The status quo is no action on climate change. The status quo in the inauguration speech would have been to continue to ignore climate change.
    But that is not what happened. Obama demonstrated awareness. Obama did not keep it hidden or gloss over it or just not mention it.
    Likewise the financial crisis was not ignored. The second paragraph into the speech Obama said:
    “Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some…”
    Does that sound like someone out of touch with reality? Does that sound like someone who wants to maintain the “status quo”?
    By highlighting greed in the second substantive paragraph of a speech watched by so many, Obama revealed that he would take an activist approach to leveling the playing field.
    It’s a new morning in America.
    “Each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.” –Obama
    Obama put climate change front and center in his inauguration speech and gave it more attention than any other topic (with eight sentences) and here are two of those sentences:
    “We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms.” –Obama
    Does that sound like someone determined to maintain the status quo? No, it sounds like what I read every week on CFN.
    As for the State of the Union speech expect more of the same. A leader of substance addressing the pressing needs of where we are to go from here as a nation that the world looks up to as the leader of the free world.

  47. progress4conserving February 11, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    “There is also chatter among the paranoid that an imagined elite has deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit…… This is all bullshit…” -jhk-
    JHK, we definitely have an “elite” in the US; no imagination is required to see it. Our “elite” tends to go to the same few colleges, work in the financial “industry,” and worst of all, they all tend to think the same way.
    Growth will go on forever.
    Private profit will right all wrongs.
    Bigger is always better.
    This last one, especially when it comes to growth of the United States population due to high immigration rates – is the one that will trump the others and doom us all, eventually.
    It may be too late.
    Fight anyway. Join NumbersUSA.
    It’s the right thing to do.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/ethics-population-and-immigration/environmental-impact-us-immigration-policies.html

  48. lucky 13 February 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    And that number was 180,000,000?

  49. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

    fondly stroking Der Fuehrer’s little worn Bavarian hunting cap.
    ==========
    Carol’s entire comment on the Pope is (of course) the fruit of an active imagination and I find it amusing (though I doubt Vlad does) since from day one (when the white smoke curled out the little window) I felt B16 had sinister eyes unbecoming Christ’s Vicar On Earth … BUT I just want to point out one thing about how the juxtaposition of words can lead to misunderstanding:
    A careful reader might justly wonder whether the Fuehrer’s hunting cap was
    (a) small in size and worn, as in worn “out,” or did Carol mean
    (b) the cap had not been worn often in which case a hyphen might have been used, i.e. “little-worn,” to avoid a potential misunderstanding.

  50. Forester February 11, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    “Better remember to stock up on non-hybrid (heirloom) seeds”.
    Even if you stock up on non-hybrid seeds you still need to know how to grow them out and save them. Some seeds have short viability and need to constantly be saved. Most seeds need to be “cleaned” which normally requires low tech sieves and screens, plus containers in which to successfully store them. My point is that it would be folly to believe that one can fully prepare for what is coming. I’ve worked at saving seeds for years now and I would not be comfortable having to try to go it on my own.

  51. charliefoxtrot February 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    I can’t say that I understand- or for that matter, have paid much attention to- the various machinations and shennannigans of “fiscal policy”, but I know this from recent experience: a man cannot live on minimum wage alone, much less with a family…and THAT is unsustainable…when enough people feel like we are working ourselves to death for nothing, we are going to start bringing some of the rest of you with us, as the old saying goes…and it looks like critical mass can’t be too far off, when the motherfucker who runs walmart makes $11,000 per hour and pays the people who actually work there seven or eight…whoever it was last week who said precious metals aren’t gold and silver, but brass and lead, nailed it…

  52. ozone February 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    Excellent satire; nicely done! (It does contain actual happenings, which is the basis of all pointed humor.)

  53. ozone February 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    Good to see you, Charlie; hope you’re keeping well.
    Maybe we WOULD be well-advised to keep a little silver (as a “store of value”) squirreled by? I dunno; what do you think?
    Brass and lead are of obvious value (when combined with a fancy club to load them into, or as a trade item).
    BTW, just to yell it: “WTFTSTF-izzat???” ;o)

  54. Conelrad February 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    To understand the true “State of the Union” requires recognizing that money and resources are separate issues–simply because they are. The latter are the true constraint re getting the economy on track again (of course, the track need not–should not–be the same one we’ve been on).
    Money isn’t what the vast majority of us think it is.
    For insight into the money issue, I recommend starting with this interview (audio): http://harryshearer.com/transcript-stephanie-kelton-interview/ .

  55. ozone February 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    Q.,
    Just ask the littlest laddie about the provenance of the hunting cap, I’m sure he’s in possession of all the particulars. Don’t worry, he’ll be here shortly to clear this whole thing up. (Maybe even BEFORE writing on the walls with his own feces; ya never know.)

  56. GAZ February 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

    Words are cheap. Concentrate on what the POTUS does. Besides playing golf and approving Drone strikes on wedding parties in Yemen and sheepherders on the Afghan/Pakistan border and tripling down on all the same shit Bush did to help the Banks just what the hell has Oblahblah done that makes him “aware” or gives him “substance”?
    Dude says what he is told to say and when he’s not reading a teleprompter he begins and ends sentences with …uhh…uhh…Everybody made fun of the way Bush talked and nobody says anything about this. They are ALL full of shit. How can you not get that? Where are you from anyway? What happened to you?
    …anyway…I’m going to work now so I can be harvested for taxes.

  57. Goat1080 February 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    The state of the union is clearly in decline by any measure. The albatross of debt hanging around the neck of good old Uncle Sam is increasing by the day while productive activity (in this country) is shrinking. Truly an unsustainable situation.
    The price of oil stubbornly hangs around $90 to $100 per/bbl and the price of gas around $3.25 to 4.00 per gal in spite of all the hoopla around Bakken oilfields and the USA becoming energy independent in a few years. Huh? The market is a good indicator of supply and demand and the market is saying supply is remaining stubbornly on the short end of the scale. With all that Bakken oil flowing out of North Dakota and points west we should see the price of crude plummeting to untold low levels – maybe back to the old $10 to $20 per bbl level and gas back to $1.00 per gallon. Fat chance. The tight oil from over there is in fact tight and it is the high hanging fruit. All the low hanging fruit is gone – thanks Mr. Jed Clampett for blowing that hole in the ground with ya shotgun and bringing forth those tanker loads of Texas Tea. It has served us well.
    Texas Tea is in short supply today and will be in shorter supply tomorrow. That includes Middle Eastern tea too with all its war costs. That was the good stuff, the easy to get stuff, the low hanging fruit. It is like a delicious sundae – soon to be gone!!! The short lifespan of Bakkan wells will soon start to tell.
    Laws of physics and nature can be so disheartening and stubborn! Even for the super-scientists. That fracking EROI number is such a party pooper – it gets worse from here… What a fracking mess this country is in!
    In the mean time, anyone know where to get a good deal on some good horses and tack?

  58. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    Extraordinary that anyone could doubt the Plot by the New World Order or doubt their existence. The group Anonymous, whose Liberalism is much like Mr Kunstler’s, considers them a terrible danger.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJS1tqy8EGQ

  59. ozone February 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    Thanks for that; I’ll check it out.
    As an aside: Big Le Show fan. Hardly ever miss it on Sunday.

  60. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    Do not fear the Reaper, Chum (Carniverous Humanoid Underground Mumbler). Captain Trips has a job to do just like we all do. Let’s dance arm in arm with him as he takes us across the fields up the ridge into the setting sun.

  61. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    Welcome back. Have you been monitoring? Did you read that Asoka isn’t Black after all?

  62. malthus February 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    I am one of those clowns that think that overpopulation is the elephant in the room. Problem is any wars in the future is going to be robot against robot.

  63. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:13 pm #

    So you hate Germans too – or just German Catholics? Perhaps you are forgetting about the many Catholics who died in the Camps. And the Catholic Officers who died trying to overthwow Hitler.

  64. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    Don’t worry Malth, those robots will kill people too. See the fine Terminator series of movies. There was a TV show too!
    Soon the Drones will be flying Bots – with the ability to choose their own targets.

  65. Cavepainter February 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

    Hey JHK, you missed on one point. Global finance is the governing body of the world and will remain so, having made virtual colonies of all erstwhile nations including the US. That’s not paranoia, that’s reality. All governments now are just handmaiden to its purpose of accessing and controlling all resources. It’s been achieved by global conversion to the secular religious faith of free market capitalism. What irony, government and religion now fused together but this time in history it’s a secular faith rather than a prophetic one. Real humor there, don’t you agree?
    As you pointed out the so called “developing nations” aren’t, but actually have been slipping further behind for 50 years. “Development” applies only by measure of how a thin upper margin of wealth class across the globe now acts as ersatz government “of the people, by the people and for the people” when in actuality it is puppet controlled by global finance. We’re all now not citizens but factor of human capital, leveled along a math mean derived from total global population.
    That is, even if one lives in a area retaining feasible population/resource sustainability you can’t expect a standard of living different from the most desperate circumstances elsewhere. Resisting having your local resource advantage (whether food or otherwise) exported for consumption by that thin small percent ruling wealth class will result in an armed drone overhead. Nice future, huh?

  66. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    Don’t worry Malth
    ===========
    I didn’t know you were a Happy Days fan. Ralph the Malth was intolerable, as are you.
    For all you international lurkers, please excuse this laziness on the part of Janos. He’s typically “American,” and therefore must find a shortcut for everything, including writing and pronouncing names. Malth is apparently meant to serve in lieu of Malthus, but this lazy-ass Janos can’t be bothered to type two more letters. I know, I know, it’s pathetic, but at least you don’t have to be around these people day in and day out. Consider yourselves fortunate. Janos is the American Dream.

  67. Ogier de Beauseant February 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    More from the Cassandra in chief. Remember, as Disraeli said : there is a lot of ruin in a nation.
    Good ole Yankee ingenuity will save the day. Those who have opted to retreat to a mountain redoubt and grow their own vegetables will be the losers.

  68. A Change in the Weather February 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    Yes, very much like the Civil War, without the slavery. Neon Vincent says it’s more of a urban-rural thing than a north-south, but look at the locus of the “liberty” stuff. It’s definitely the South, and a lot of the rural places are populated by Southerners or their descendants who migrated after the Civil War, the Dust Bowl, and WW2.
    Their concept of “liberty” is the same as it was then: the God-given freedom of white men to dominate. But as Jim says, events are outside their control. Their dominion has eroded and will continue to, until it falls completely apart.
    Seen through this filter, the anti-immigration, anti-woman, pro-Old Testament, pro-assault weapon mentality all makes sense.

  69. Jam47 February 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    If the reader assumes that Carol Newquist is one of those rare writers who knows punctuation backwards and forwards, he will take “…little worn Bavarian hunting cap” to mean that the cap was infrequently worn.
    If he doesn’t make that assumption, he will be entitled to ask himself, as you have done, the following: does “little” modify “worn,” OR do “little” and “worn” both modify, IDEPENDENTLY, “Bavarian”? If an independent modification is meant, the punctuation mark between the two adjectives should be a comma, thus: “little, worn Bavarian hat.” A hyphen has no place in this phrase.

  70. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    You’re makin a fool of yourself with this Newquist woman. Prog and them are too polite to tell you. Your fixin to marry her and she might not even be a woman t’all. So who’s your real friend, Prog or me? I’ll tell someone if they have a boogie on their face – and you do. Why don’t you stop watching Colbert, Stuart, Letterman – these comics are rotting what little is left of your mind.

  71. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    (There is no “gawd” at work in this fun story, peeps. If you think there is… then gawd he’p you. ;o)
    =========
    WOW, you can’t make up shit like this!

  72. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    Yes and Black children say “schoo” instead of school. Logically and fairly, you must condemn them too.

  73. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    Your fixin to marry her…
    ============
    Please, international lurkers, have mercy on us. Not all of us are like him. Janos, Janos, Janos, how many times do you have to be told, it’s you’re, not your. Shame on you, you lazy racist bigot.

  74. Eleuthero5 February 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    JHK,
    The “sliding” into being what we don’t want to be has already occurred. With little factoids slipping into the news stream like 75% of Boomers (at least) will be unable to retire … EVER … creates the impression that we done “slid” already.
    It is Kafka-esque that the financial news media are still happily chirping about the Dow as if that is a surrogate for the entire economy. Their sponsors are mostly brokerages and other financial firms who’ve probably told the reporters on those stations to blow a continual stream of blue sky up the asses of their viewership.
    The entire financial services industry is a confidence game (i.e., a CON) in the truest sense because it relies on creating artificial euphoria and complacency wherever it can. However, with the net worth of our middle class imploding to levels that imply that we really don’t have a sizable middle class any more, cat’s out of the bag and whether we want to contemplate it or not, most of the “sliding” is well more than half done.
    First, we’ve slid into hand-to-mouth living. Total destitution will take a while longer but seems inevitable because even the impoverished cannot do without their iPhones and premium cable packages. There used to be a lot more dignity and acceptance in poverty than there used to be. A good read … “Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010” tells all about the decay, financial, spiritual, and ethical, of the new working class which cannot possibly be called a “middle” class.
    E.

  75. ComradeDystopia February 11, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

    Anyway,gasoline is back up to almost $4 per gallon round these part once again, which spells nemesis for any type of ‘Economic Recovery’ that might have occurred. It looks like the petroleum bonanza from Bakken and other unconventional oil patches are not benefiting New England very much, if at all. How is it in the rest of the Country? Are you seeing the benefits to our new found ‘Energy Independence’?
    ==CD

  76. progress4conserving February 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    “Seen through this filter, the anti-immigration, anti-woman, pro-Old Testament, pro-assault weapon mentality all makes sense.” -acitw-
    Linking these 4 items defies all logic, change.
    Immigration reduction is about protecting the environment that sustains life. And it’s about protecting the “commons” in the United States that allowed traditional “liberalism” to grow and prosper.
    Without some measure of both of these, real liberalism dies. And then you will see some REAL “change in the weather” toward some real anti-woman attitudes – especially on the part of Muslim and other third world immigrants, competing for resources in a hopelessly overcrowded United States.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/change/immigration/numbers/

  77. ozone February 11, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Freshly stolen from radio show:
    …Our first Hitler Yout’ Pope has resigned, because he couldn’t stand his boss’ holier-than-thou attitude…
    OOoooooo
    http://instantrimshot.com/
    (“press” the red button)

  78. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    Support growing for rogue Black LA Cop by Liberals and Minorities. Can anyone imagine a White Cop who had killed innocent people getting any support? Pure racism on the part of the Liberals and Minorities. Unadulterated prejudice in favor of this man because the color of his skin – not the contents of his character.
    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2013/02/diversity-is-strength-its-also-massive.html

  79. sevenmmm February 11, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

    NO PHOTOSHOP? What do you mean, no photoshop???

  80. ozone February 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Sorry, Q, I was (predictably) wrong again. Perhaps I thought a catholic-esque miracle would occur, but he seems to be happy occupying his shift by applying a thick, new coat of excreta on the available walls. It’s unfortunate, but we’ll just have to be resigned to doing our own research into “The Matter of The Hunting Cap”.

  81. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    Why do Americans have the right to “America” – the middle part of Turtle Island? You are just immigrants too. Who says you get to say this many and no more? Especially since most of the immigrants are of the Bronze Race who were here first? I think you are a racist who lacks the courage to come right out and say it. Vlad was preferable to this kind of hiding.
    The Bronze race shall triumph since we aren’t afraid to be for our Race 100%. It’s only Racism when Whites are for themselves.

  82. sooty February 11, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    I have no use for Ratzinger or his conservatism, but he was NOT a Nazi. Nor was his father–in fact, they had to move to a different village when the elder Ratzinger criticized the Third Reich. Yeah, there’s a pic of young Joseph in the Hitler Youth version of a cub scout outfit–but I also have a friend that age from a very leftist Roman family who had to parade around in similar Mussolini gear during the fascist regime. One’s choice in clothing gets a little limited when one’s neighbors can make a call and get you locked up.

  83. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    The red button is your clown nose – which needs breaking btw.

  84. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    He is in fact, a Liberal who appoints other Liberals to very high positions. He is called a “conservative” because he refused to allow woman priests and openly homosexual priests. In other words, he defended the few last shreds of Catholicism against the Liberal Deluge that seeks to make every thing, place, and person the same. And for this he was hated by the Communists who have infiltrated the Church in vast numbers.

  85. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    thus: “little, worn Bavarian hat.” A hyphen has no place in this phrase.
    =========
    My inclination, Jam, is to defer to your explanation since you seem to know what you’re talking about and I can always count on you to call “bullshit” on my fly-by-the-pants grammar BUT, I must ask, what about the third adjective, Bavarian? In other words, why is no comma required between worn and Bavarian? In fact, the more I ponder this, the more I begin to think maybe the hunting cap is one owned by a short (i.e. little) tired old (i.e. worn) citizen of Bavaria (i.e. Bavarian). Come to think of it, “hunting” is an adjective too. It makes for an “Eats shoots and leaves” type issue.

  86. lucky 13 February 11, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    K-Dog, where does Carol post from?

  87. ront February 11, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    The problems and predicaments we currently face both individually and collectively will most likely not be resolved by deciding on what are the best economic systems to which our society should subscribe. All nominated systems offer difficulties that some will find too challenging, immoral, or unfair.
    On the other hand, if a community, state, nation or humanity were to become strongly motivated to pull away from–become repulsed by our habits based on self-interest, and choose instead the exact opposite: individually, with collective support, acting with equal consideration for the interests of all concerned, give without thought of return, and serve without thought of reward, well, then any and all systems would prove satisfactory.
    If your mind is open enough to buy this logic, you will still wonder: what on Earth could be that source of strong motivation?

  88. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    …Our first Hitler Yout’ Pope has resigned, because he couldn’t stand his boss’ holier-than-thou attitude…
    OOoooooo
    =========
    Very funny, and doubly so when followed by the rim-shot.

  89. progress4conserving February 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    “I think you are a racist who lacks the courage to come right out and say it. Vlad was preferable to this kind of hiding.”
    -pot to kettle?-
    Don’t try to drag me down into that swamp.
    Allegations of “racism” are one of the great deal-breakers and conversation-stoppers in the United States.
    And I sent Pres. Obama a fax early this morning expressing my disapproval of “amnesty” for illegal immigrants. At the bottom of the fax, I placed the following post-script.
    PS
    President Obama, I am particularly concerned over the effect of high levels of immigration on native-born African-Americans. How can black unemployment ever be reduced when over one MILLION LEGAL immigrants are allowed into the United States every year??
    ======================
    I’ll let the CF Nation know when the pres. responds. Hold your breath now, ya’ hear.

  90. Rhino February 11, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    JHK is correct, the whole point of the money printing is exactly to create fog.
    To what end? To conceal the real agenda? So what IS the Wizard up to? What’s the point of all the money printing?
    One thing the money printing wasn’t intended to do was to facilitate a necessary restructuring of the US economy. To my eyes, it was to obstruct it both in real and financial terms. To use Kunstlerian terminology the purpose of incessant money printing and interest rate suppression was to sustain the unsustainable.
    Because in restructuring the economy to a sustainable level corporate America’s bottom line would get hammered and so the schemes and frauds run by Wall Street would take a shit kicking. And we can’t have that. The Manhattan glitterati want their bonuses. They NEED their bonuses. The yacht costs a fortune. So does the townhouse. And the grand dames in their great salons, they have to dress the part. And that costs money. So does cosmetic surgery. So does pyschoanalysis. So does cocaine. So does rehab.
    Even with cheap and plentiful oil a 16 trillion dollar a year economy is unsustainable when more than a trillion of it comes out of debt incurred by Washington. Especially when there’s nobody lending.

  91. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

    Please, international lurkers, have mercy on us. Not all of us are like him. – Carol speaking of Vlad/Janos
    ============
    Well Lucky 13, unless ^this^ is a clever red herring tossed across her/his path to divert the hounds, I think Carol’s location has been narrowed down to the US of A as opposed to the rest of the world.

  92. Cavepainter February 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    Oops,…you’re wrong. The founding documents of this nation were to provide a common bond among all people by virtue of alligience above all else to principles of neutral civil law and democratic representation of all “citizens”. That is, subordinate of all other allegiences such as affiliation to particular race, ethnicity, religion, blood line, skin color, nation of origin, etc., etc. This was a deliberate attempt by the founders to avoid the centuries of internecin war that had plagued humanity through history. OK, so those Enlightenment principles have often failed full fruition due to human foibles, but your position is that it is due to skin tonality. That makes you a racist.

  93. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    Union rules, not Division.

  94. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    I’ll let the CF Nation know when the pres. responds.
    ===========
    You will have a response within minutes generated by the Crank Letter Answer Bot.

  95. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    Oops, only Whites have ever taken that position – and only lately. The Founders were for “themselves and their progeny” – as opposed to anyone else. Did the Han create China for the Negroes? Or the did the Negroes create nothing for the Chinese? If you were right, then why was Washington a great and reknowned Indian fighter? As was Jackon later?
    Your position is so, so popular and so, so wrong. It dooms Whites to dispossesion everywhere. The Left is correct in its accusations of racism agains the Founders. They are wrong in seeing this as bad. It is simply natural. White now hold themselves to an impossibly high standard – much like raw food fanatics who are busy “purifying” themselves out of existence. Real People and Nations have needs and take up space. And yes, their shit stinks. Raw foodists like you take pleasure in their shrinking bodies and neutral smelling feces.

  96. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    Get your mind out of the gutter and into the cellar where it belongs. There are accounts to be handled!

  97. charliefoxtrot February 11, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    Thanks, 03, doin’ as well as could be expected…
    As for silver vs. lead, ask yerself which is usefuller- in terms of what can ya git in return for it? For silver n’ gold: whatever someone else wants to trade…brass n’ lead: whatever someone else has to trade…n’ there I’ll be restin’ mah case, yer honor…well, at least if recent reports of vampires is greatly exaggerated, that is…!

  98. KaraokeVox February 11, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    Tools, silver and gold?
    This is going to make our world more real?
    No.
    Promoting historical moments such as that depicted by Spielberg in his latest obsession with TIME, is not the answer to the current problem. We know from history that people survived without electricity for thousands of years.
    We know people can lead us into a better kind of presence.
    We can have faith in people to an extent. Just like Kunstler says, we’re limited. Reality can not keep pace with the new DREAMS. What does a world do when they’ve achieved everything their forefathers wanted them to achieve?
    We’ve done it all and now Kunstler says it’s time to start over? There’s not going to be a complete reset when we turn off our computers. There is still going to be electricity, machines, organized leadership in the higher spheres of reality. Kunstler is very limited in his imagination and knowledge and he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he goes beyond the current trends.

  99. AMR February 11, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    Eleuthero, what’s your take on this mass Boomer insolvency? I.e., to what extent do you think they’re victims of circumstance, and to what extent were they just feckless?
    Based on my own extended family, I’d lean towards fecklessness, but my family may have an anomalously high concentration of financial fuck-ups. We have at least three massive fuck-ups among the Boomers on my dad’s side of the family. The manifestations of their fecklessness are different, but each case is a shit storm that has yet to fully hit the fan.
    The oldest two, Farmer Uncle and Stoner Aunt, have more or less obliterated several hundred dollars’ worth of free capital that they manipulated out of family and friends to shore up their badly mismanaged, heavily indebted farm. What really aggravates their case is that they’re so fucking smug about their behavior and cavalier about its effects on others. They act as if they haven’t done a foolish or disreputable thing in the three decades that they’ve owned the farm, and they unleash a firehose of steaming bullshit on anyone they wish to manipulate whenever they deem it expedient. They’re in their late sixties and, by my parents’ reckoning, irreformable. Not a week goes by that I don’t seriously consider suing them for back wages for the farm work that I’ve done for them under bad and worsening conditions. It’s probably a testament to their devious, sub rosa intimidation of everyone around them that they haven’t been sued and that the farm has not been placed into receivership. In some ways, Farmer and Stoner are very financially prudent, but this is a case in which some is not nearly enough.
    Farmer Uncle’s younger siblings, Alien Uncle and Alien Aunt, have been wildly profligate since their twenties or thirties. Alien Uncle got foreclosed out of a house full of electronic junk and motorcycles in Menlo Park that he had bought with a succession of home equity lines of credit. Lately he has been living with roommates in East Palo Alto and angling for alternate housing with various people at his church, including the pastors. Alien Aunt withdrew the savings in her IRA, at a penalty, and used them to travel aimlessly with fellow Christian moochers, having gotten involved with some really crazy churches that are better described as cults. One of these churches is so far out that it seceded from the Assemblies of God in pursuit of a “Holy Spirit revival,” lost half its membership within a year, and attracts crazies from halfway across the continent to its “School of Supernatural Worship.”
    People like these would be in bad shape in the best of circumstances, but I doubt that their profligacy fully explains why the Boomers are hurting so.

  100. Mike Hunt February 11, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

    “obliterated several hundred dollars’ worth of free capital.”
    Several hundred dollars can be paid back quickly. So what’s to get uptight about?
    Mike

  101. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    Steve, Tom and I made our way to the elevator and took it down to the lobby. Along the way to the front door, the path is set up in such a way that it resembles a gauntlet. At the narrowest point of that gauntlet, you must stop and pay some form of tribute to the troll to mean, you must turn in your visitor badge and listen to his antics. Sorry, I mean the security guard. He is troll-like because of his obvious attitude. He’s a little man who enjoys what little power he has in this position. It’s a position of authority, albeit mostly symbolic, but nonetheless, it’s authority, and this otherwise pathetically insecure man milks it for all it is worth. He’s one of those types that likes to joke, but his jokes are not funny. You couldn’t convince him of that, though. He cracked a few when we entered the building, and he did again when we were exiting the building. I cannot remember any of these jokes because they were so dull and unremarkable. What I do remember is the last one he cracked was blatantly over-the-line and at the expense of the only female in earshot. It made me uncomfortable, and judging from Steve’s and Tom’s expressions, it made them uncomfortable. Not that it mattered to this little man. It was yet another example of him flouting his authority. I wondered what his fellow employees thought of him. Surely, some of them hated his guts but had to swallow back their disgust in order to make it to retirement and the Government pension pot at the end of the dubious rainbow.
    What is the point of a security guard in a facility of this nature? From the looks of these inmates, and let’s face it, they are inmates because they are not here by choice, and they are not free to come and go, even if they had the wherewithal to do so, they’re not going anywhere, so why the added precaution of of an obnoxious troll with a gun and badge? Is it the result of nine eleven and all the ridiculous draconian legislation that followed in its wake? The legislation that had already been crafted many years in advance and was waiting for just the right event to come along to implement and put into force? That could be it, but I don’t know for certain. If it is the case, it sounds rather absurd to think Muslim terrorists would fly planes into Veterans’ homes, or bother to blow themselves up in Veterans’ homes. That would be mercy killing, and according to conventional wisdom as imparted by the Western mainstream media, Muslim terrorists are not known for their mercy. A more likely target of the Muslim terrorists, using their favorite weapon of choice per the mainstream media, the jet, would be the Nuclear Power Plant, the seeming portrait of which fills the entire set of windows of the fourth-floor cafeteria. But hey, who am I to question? Little men need jobs. Otherwise, little men get violent and beat their wives and children if they have any, and if they don’t, they find someone else to beat . Maybe Barney Fife’s not here to keep the inmates in, or the Muslim terrorists out, but instead to keep the drug addicts out. This is a quasi-hospital environment, and as such, it no doubt carries a host of drugs. Drug addicts are brilliant at sleuthing and reconnoitering all potential repositories of drugs. I know this because I watched Gus Van Sant’s Drugstore Cowboy starring Matt Dillon. If I had to guess, Andy’s sidekick has his job for a combination of the reasons provided above, and maybe a few reasons I left out. Either way, I’m glad I don’t have to work with him or see him ever again, but unfortunately, there are clones of him everywhere. They’re ubiquitous. They’re unavoidable. Who cares, anyway? Not me. Not anymore.
    I’m being unduly harsh on this poor guy, perhaps. I have a tendency to think the worst, and often as a result, I’m pleasantly surprised because the worst, or nothing even closely resembling it, rarely manifests. So, take that all those who say “look at the glass as half full.” This way works well for me. It keeps a REAL smile on my face, not that Miss America, contrived smile that looks like it has to be replaced every so often like contact lenses due to wear and tear. What’s he like outside of this place? Is he like so many others, rather unremarkable? Most likely. Maybe he’s a Shriner. Come on, you’ve seen them, they wear the funny hat that look likes an inverted Dixie cup with a tassel dangling off it. They collect money once or twice a year at major, or not so major, intersections. He could be an upstanding member of his church. The coach of his daughter’s softball team. Or, he could have a secret hideaway in his basement where he keeps chains, whips, lots of leather and ball gags and the Gimp. I’ve always been curious as to how many of the latter we run across in our lives. Remember the picture of Rosalyn Carter and John Wayne Gacy? Had Gacy not been caught, the First Lady never would have known that she was in the company of a murderous psychopath. The same holds true for her brush-up to the Mohammad Rez? Sh?h Pahlav?, another murderous psychopath.
    They said it couldn’t be done! We’re finally breaking free of this place, and pulling away from Barney Wayne Gacy’s orbit. The finish line, meaning the front doors, are just a few paces away. Cue the Chariots of Fire theme music. It’s been a tremendous triumph. If we had stayed much longer, we may have caught incontinence. The dreaded, deafening silences were avoided. The picture of Al was recovered. I don’t think the security guard has my address, and if so, once we’re through those doors, I, nay we, escape the possibility of his hideaway with the chains, whips, ball gags and the Gimp. Another pleasant surprise. Life is full of them when you view the glass as empty.

  102. bossier22 February 11, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

    “It’s only racism when whites are for themselves.” How do you figure that jack. I guess I’m a racist.

  103. Cavepainter February 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    Thanks for proving my point: You confuse the failings of individuals (judged from hindsight of history) with associated period leaps in reasoned thinking as applied to social order and governing. You typify those who embrace with religious ferver idealisms that as obtuse to reality as any other fundamentalist dogma.

  104. rka February 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

       “The implacable contraction underway is the simple result of growing scarcity of cheap oil, the master resource. Thus, in a world where fantasy has replaced analysis, the propaganda channels brim with false news of America’s coming “energy independence” and the rebirth of domestic manufacturing, the coming electric car fleet, and space tourism. There is also chatter among the paranoid that an imagined elite has deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit, with sideshows about the Department of Homeland Security promoting social upheaval in order to make a show of putting it down. This is all bullshit concealing the futile machinations of people so unfortunate as to hold political office in an unraveling they can’t control. Where control is no longer possible, paranoid fantasies fill the vacuum of wishing for control.”
    James, you can’t have it both ways: to claim to know the future and deny the rest of humanity the privilege. Given the almost unlimited resources of political capital and financial leverage the few are in possession of, isn’t it just possible that these elite’s might just find it advantageous to maximize their position by manipulation of the situation you find so much to comment upon?

  105. ront February 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

    Hopefulness and truth rises and is then snuffed out by ignorance, arrogance, and greed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WebpqUdeuQ

  106. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    “There is also chatter among the paranoid that an imagined elite has deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit…… This is all bullshit…” -jhk-
    ===========
    Prog, you are zeroed in on an important distinction. I think if Jim had a chance to re-write that sentence he would not imply “an Elite” were imagined but rather the notion “the Elite deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit” was imagined. Putting it simply, Jim doesn’t believe in grand conspiracy theories … and, for what it’s worth, neither do I.

  107. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    You typify those who embrace with religious ferver idealisms that […] as obtuse to reality as any other fundamentalist dogma.
    =========
    …with religious fervor idealisms that [are] as obtuse…

  108. rka February 11, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    So you don;t believe in God, either I guess. Random unconnected universe of events. I don’t know, myself. I am waiting to see (if I haven’t already).

  109. Cavepainter February 11, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    Ooooh,…..points on technicalities!

  110. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    Along the way to the front door, the path is set up in such a way that it resembles a gauntlet.
    ==========
    See link below. You’re doing such a nice job with your prose that I’d rather you had retained the original distinction between gantlet and gauntlet. I hate when, over time, words become muddled by the lazy and we wind up with people saying jive when they mean jibe and could care less when they mean couldn’t… just an observation, do as you please.
    http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2006/08/is-it-gantlet-or-gauntlet.html

  111. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

    Good. I’m glad. Most people can’t (don’t want to) see the two definitions and allow themselves to be programmed into hating themselves. It’s too much work and too isolating to see that racism also means loving your own and not just hating the other. So incredibly, Whites will defend the collective rights and reputation of other races, but eagerly smear their own people. An insane situation perpetrated by the Globalists in order to take down the West.
    Of course, loving your own might mean hating the other in the long run. That’s the way of nature and Jim says we’re going back there. Competition for scarce resources. Two species, sub species, races, or tribes that use the same resources cannot exists in the same eco-niche. Thus the agressive Gray Squirrels have driven the shy English Red Squirrels to the brink of exctinction. And in London, the cockney accent is vanishing before a Jamaican Patois. White Women are with Black and Muslim men but not vice versa. We’re losing and the vicious and masochistic Leftists cannot contain their joy.

  112. helen highwater February 11, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    OMG, now you’re channeling Ronald Reagan!! A new morning in America…..yeah, riiiiight.

  113. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    A bullshit response unworthy of you. You were wrong. And White Americans considered America their’s until the massive social revolution orchestrated from above by the social engineers. They have done an amazing job and frankly, Whites must have been ripe for destruction. No other race could so easily be seduced into giving away their Country.
    For example, a game company sent the Chinese a game where Blacks kicked the asses of Chinese Martial Arts Masters – a revered symbol of Chinese history and virility. The Chinese were outraged, banning the game and demanding a refund. THAT’s how a Nation preserves itself. All of our white blood cells (cultural defence mechanisms) are gone and we are dying. Likewise, the Russians don’t allow Gay Pride Parades. They say it would destroy the morale of the people. They are correct. But they are dying too – they are innundated by Chechens who have huge families. They have almost no children by comparison.

  114. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

    So you don;t believe in God, either I guess.
    ===========
    You must be new around here.
    No, I don’t, but neither do I make atheism my religion. If I’m wrong I’ll awake from the dead pleasantly surprised.

  115. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    OMG, now you’re channeling Ronald Reagan!! A new morning in America…..yeah, riiiiight.
    ===========
    Helen (and one or two others), be advised that Asoka colon is NOT Asoka dot dot… or so Asoka dot dot tells us. Who really knows?

  116. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    Duly noted. I blame Michael Butler and Dennis Shryack. I will make the change. In fact, I won’t use either gauntlet or gantlet, but instead gantelope since gantlet is a lazy replacement for it.

  117. Buck's A Stud February 11, 2013 at 7:07 pm #

    “So many circles of hazard are spinning around events that some fast-turning object will come off its axis and start smashing all the fantasies.”
    That’s some very rich and evocative prose, JHK. And for some reason it triggered an association with the spinning top analogy in “The Republic” for me. And speaking of Plato and Socrates, if justice is each person fulfilling the role best suited for them (I know, “The Republic” begins to wobble on its axis when interpreted too literally) what type of justice is being served by unfurling the welcome mat to millions of illegal immigrants in the midst of an official 8% unemployment rate -a rate which actually camouflages the severity of the unemployment/underemployment dynamic?
    Solipsistic rhetoric aside – and delusional arguments for a ‘world without borders’ and ‘separation of states based on race’ – the only conclusion that can be formed is “from above so below”. In other words, there is no justice, no concept of justice, and the importing of foreign labor by those from above in the midst of a severe recession in order to further compete with legal citizens can only be termed an injustice in a Platonic “Republic” sense. After all, these are legal citizens who will no longer be fulfilling their ‘suitable role’ once they are displaced and their jobs outsourced.
    And of course, there are and will be the permutations ‘gone bad’ as a result of an unfavorable, unjust environment. Socrates asserts that a” very high natural quality will come off worse in an unfavorable environment than poor quality” (I suppose that might be true because “high quality” is intelligent and aware enough to see the lack of “good” reflecting down). On the other hand, he also infers by way of question – isn’t everything always a question with that Dude- that a ‘weak nature isn’t likely to be responsible for anything of consequence’.
    Well, well, well, Dr. Plato let me introduce you to America, circa 2013, where any ol’tobacco chewing buffoon can magnify his presence well beyond the scope that his natural capabilities would otherwise allow in a just society by donning and wielding outrageously deadly weapons designed by those far more intelligent than he.
    Fast turning objects spinning out of control or dim-witted clowns wobbling to the speed of their brain… take your pick, I say.

  118. San Jose Mom 51 February 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

    No chance that your aunts and uncles will change their crazy ways at this point. I have an aunt who for the past few decades has been running around pretending she’s in dire financial trouble. She’s shamelessly asked older relatives to leave her money. She’s going to be fine financially, and no one has plans to leave her extra money. If she had more money, she’d just spend it on crap.

  119. Jam47 February 11, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    I say that if “little” and “worn” qualify “Bavarian” independently, rather than “little” qualifying “worn,” which in turn qualifies “Bavarian,” then a comma is required.
    You ask, responding, that since “worn” and “Bavarian” seem to qualify “hat” independently, whether, following the principle that I myself laid down, a comma should therefore be placed between “hat” and “Bavarian.” Your logic is impeccable.
    However, a comma between these two adjectives seems unnecessary. Seems. That’s the best I can do. There’s probably a rule that applies here, but I don’t know what it is.

  120. Carol Newquist February 11, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    Here’s all the University you’ll ever need. And it’s free. The best things usually are. For now.
    Surprise Surprise

  121. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    As Englishmen get smaller, foxes get bigger. The balance of power is already shifting. The little English Aboriginees of the future will be hunted by giant foxes. Disarmed by their colored Masters, they will have little or no defence.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276187/Fox-attack-Neighbours-hysterical-screams-animal-bit-week-old-babys-finger-slept.html?ICO=most_read_module#axzz2KX4fO3m6

  122. ozone February 11, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

    “Enough of your bumfuzzlement!”, the mob doth cry as one voice.
    I shall attempt to muddy further.
    Cop interrogator: “Describe the hat; elsewise we shall have to beat you about the head and shoulders with a rubber hose, or a truncheon of a similar nature.”
    Recalcitrant witness: “Well, okay then… It was a Hitlerian hunting hat. No, no, wait. Come to think of it, it was a little, worn, Bavarian, hunting hat; I think Hitler wore one or two, just before War One or War Two, I can’t recall exactly.”
    Thwack! Thwack-thwack-thwack!

  123. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm #

    Some interesting thoughts, Buck. As has often been noted, the skill set needed to govern is very different than the skills – and the mentality – produduced by clawing one’s way up. In terms of the American People, why should we have to go through the whole fight for survival thing again? We are already past that stage. And if we must compete, the average soft, atomized American individual will do poorly against the hardened, tribal Third Worlders.
    To open our borders is an act of hatred against the American People. And if not motivated by hatred, it could only be motivated by extreme self interest and indifference to our well being.
    Have you been monitoring? Asoka per se does not exist. The Black goof is not gone – he never was.

  124. Janos Skorenzy February 11, 2013 at 9:02 pm #

    It was Bavarian, just a little worn since little worn. Your interest is touching. How would you honor this relic?

  125. stelmosfire February 11, 2013 at 9:04 pm #

    The Pope is a Dope! And that is all she wrote. Vlad can kiss my ass. I went to Catholic School through the 12th grade! Religion blows. Rules and dogma can bite me. God bless my Mom, She was a true believer. The Almighty decided to strike her down with the big C when she was 46, I was 12. Good job Asshole GOD. And the Virgin Mary must have takin’ in the ass since she never had sex with a human.

  126. Kyooshtik February 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    following the principle that I myself laid down, a comma should therefore be placed between “hat” and “Bavarian.” Your logic is impeccable.
    ==============
    OK, now we’re getting somewhere. I’m willing to call this chess match a draw if you are.

  127. shecky February 11, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

    I’d take a shit in it.

  128. xhalor February 11, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    Now that we are in the “good” part of the comments section, I can’t help but think about the nine hours of slogging through eight inch deep muck while picking up trash in a landfill.
    It is located in outside of the little town of Celina, Ohio. I climbed to the top of the heap of modern refuse battling 45 mph wind the whole way.
    I had a thought while I was looking down at the surrounding farms…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bl6FrgZTs

  129. AMR February 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    Thanks for catching that mistake. It’s hundreds of thousands of dollars, not hundreds of dollars, that those two have frittered away in outstanding shares of farm stock. My parents alone own shares that are nominally worth over $100k. Several other shareholders, all of them family or friends, have stakes nominally worth tens of thousands apiece.
    All of this stock is invaluable, in the very negative sense that there is no market at all to assign it a meaningful value. The only people who own it were cajoled or sweet-talked into buying it and the only way they’d be able to sell would be to bully Farmer and Stoner for a refund, which the latter would secure by putting the screws on the dwindling pool of other investors who are not disaffected.
    One of the investors is currently being bought out in this fashion, having earlier threatened to foreclose on the farm to recover back payments on the secondary mortgage, the note for which he holds. This is the same investor who entered into a verbal agreement with Farmer and Stoner to indefinitely defer scheduled payments. The dipshits actually entered into an oral amendment to a written contract, and damned if they didn’t take it up the ass as a result when the noteholder got wiped out in his other failed businesses.
    This is an indescribably tangled Faulknerian nightmare. We pretty much need someone like Irving Picard to sort it all out and tell everyone what to do. Any attempt at a resolution is likely to be very ugly.
    Feel free to gloat that you aren’t a party to any of this horseshit. I’ll be smug if I’m ever made whole.

  130. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 12:02 am #

    Janos said:
    For example, a game company sent the Chinese a game where Blacks kicked the asses of Chinese Martial Arts Masters – a revered symbol of Chinese history and virility.
    ************************************************************
    But the worst thing about that game is that IT DOES NOT REFLECT REALITY. Reality is that Blacks rarely win any kind of medal at all from any country in Olympic Judo, for example. Asians routinely kick our American asses repeatedly in international karate and judo competitions.
    Liberalism contains a lot of “Newspeak” not unlike the false “truisms” of Orwell’s “1984”. I’m glad the Chinese banned the game. The more paternalistic countries still respect their own cultures and prosaic fact whereas we’re handing over our country on the basis of the false “truism” that all ethnicities are equally desirable as landed immigrants.
    E.

  131. AMR February 12, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    You’re right. The best cause I have for hope is that Alien Aunt seems to have become somewhat more diligent about getting payroll work in the past few years than she was in her forties and early fifties. The problem is that she’s on the cusp of 62 and will most likely start drawing Social Security this summer. We’ll all be amazed if she has the prudence and discipline to wait and buck up her pension a bit. The other three are showing no signs of reform.
    The ironic thing is that even though Alien Aunt and Alien Uncle inspired the name of my blog and the initial rounds of snark, they really don’t bother me nearly as much as Farmer Uncle and Stoner Aunt. They’re all in bad financial shape as they enter old age, and Alien Aunt has been foiled at some seedy schemes to fence family heirlooms on eBay for personal cash flow, but the aliens don’t try to suck unwilling parties into their world and mold them in their image. Given how aggressive Farmer and Stoner often are in this regard, this is a huge point in their favor.
    Unfortunately, my relatives usually have better things to say about Farmer and Stoner than about the family aliens. I’m basically Farmer and Stoner’s only adversary within the family, since no one else is angry enough at them to want to play hardball. The thing is, I really do not like the toxic emotional environment that Farmer and Stoner have created and are too self-satisfied to consider improving unless they’re made to really hurt. As witlessly improvident as the aliens are, they don’t give me the feeling that I’m watching a slow-motion shithead fugue on the part of people whom I’ll probably have to sue if I’m to have any hope of being made whole.

  132. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 12:09 am #

    Ah, Q. … give the picky grammarian a rest, eh? As you know, I respect language and its proper use a great deal. However, sometimes you’ll rap our knuckles for stuff that’s little more than a typo.
    I respect your insistence on proper spelling and punctuation and, yes, it drives me nuts to see people say “to” when they mean “too” or “loose” when they mean “lose”. However, what concerns me even more than all that is a lack of creative prose with no pizzazz. You buy a novel by a hypermodern author these days and the author will spend a page talking about the cutting up of a green pepper and it’s totally ancillary to the plot. THAT drives me more bonkers than the occasional spelling error.
    It’s similar in the computer programming world. If one memorizes the entirety of “C: A Reference Manual” that doesn’t mean that the memorizer is a good programmer. A good programmer knows how to combine grammar and syntax in a clever way to complete an algorithm. Just knowing syntax doesn’t mean doodly when it comes to that.
    E.

  133. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 1:29 am #

    Do you think your Mother enjoys hearing your Blasphemy?

  134. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:30 am #

    Remember your youth Dee, do not forget. How can you since you haven’t changed?
    http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/01/liberal-college-girl/

  135. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:32 am #

    England used to have “Universal Aunts”, an organization of mostly young men who would help orphans and travelers in trouble – all for a fee.

  136. Sololeum February 12, 2013 at 2:56 am #

    G’Day Jim,
    Our 4 Corners did a show on US economic contraction and how it affects the lowest paid. It is worth a look – http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=Corp_TV-iview|FourCorners_AdWords_:four%20corners%20abc_b_g_19619212999_&gclid=CO_IyaOisLUCFQFKpgodWiMAXQ#/series/Four%20Corners
    Cheers,
    John

  137. 79iron February 12, 2013 at 3:16 am #

    “Observer Only” Universe
    Within the framework of Instant Singularities, technological singularities, modified minds become new Observer types and such. But as such you can imagine the division between inside and outside of the delimitations creating observer and outside world, changing, becoming variable, as an Observer and its corresponding Universe is just one entity made up of a chunk of matter, an item, a monolithic slab of Information Relationship Sets, of Interaction Sets, of Experience Sets sending itself signals, talking to itself, interacting with itself, sending itself information chunks, exchanging bits of information within itself (pretending that it is actually exchanging those bits with some imaginary outside world, when it is all just one world, inside and outside don’t exist, belonging and not belonging to is arbitrarily defined and delimited just because, for no reason at all, or at most just for the reasons of how much independence one part of the ensemble has from another part of the ensemble and such) and dividing them arbitrarily as from the inside to the outside, delimiting the set of interactions as belonging to an observer and another set as a reaction or action of the outside (imaginary and arbitrarily delimited outside world, as in all truth it is all one, just one monolithic ball of signals and information exchanges going on between all of the bits within the ball of exprience and interaction sets pretending to be talking to an outside world as compared to an inside world,, pretending to be interacting bewteen an outside world and an observer type reacting to how the independent and imaginary disjoint outside world talks to it and such).
    So the limit of the Outside World tending towards zero and the Observer tending towards infinite can create an Observer Only Universe, where the Observer doesn’t have to interact with anything independent from itself anymore, can competely invent and make up, and play make believe with itself and create any Universe it can imagine, anything at all, it would no longer have any possible constraint upon its experience set, and you can also have the opposite, the area delimiting the observer tending towards zero as the outside universe tends towards infinite and as such an observer completely drowning into totally independent chunks of information and such. And all other kinds of delimitations and interactions and possibilities and as usual you can also project and create super abstractions as in within a discourse, if 0 is the Observer and 1 is the Universe, what is 347766 ? what is minus th66, what is minus 4333 ? what is fhjrrttkh ? what is the pebble on the street ? what is the car tire and so forth, and the discourse can be intricate (and intractable ?) to no end, such as the words (or worlds ?) of the discourse are made up of symbols such that they are competely disjoint such that the first letter is a car tire, the second letter a steering wheel, the third letter a forest, the fourth letter an electron, the fifth letter a planet and so on, and combining all delimitations to create a symbol set, a sequence of symbols creating new worlds and words and information and so forth.
    So you can also imagine a set of bits coming from one sense organ where the division of the bits can create any number of new sense organs according to how the Observer Processor processes those new bit delimitations and such maybe creating them as being sight and sound from a steady stream, a monolithic stream of indifferent bits not belonging to any sense organ at all. So you can also imagine a set of bits coming from different sense organs dividing them as being sight and sound and such and touch but you can also imagine that those bits can simply all be just one generalized sense organ corresponding to a sequence of symbols that can be divided into other new sense organs by the processing machine, inventing them and creating them on the fly, as such when a bird sings, he only uses sound to interact and describe his entire universe, a sound only universe but that is enough to create any universe as rich as any other, you just need a stream of bits to create any unvierse and then split the bits into many different parts and meanings and sense organs creating all of the further dimensions: as a bird from only sound can create vision and dimensions and maybe millions of other new sense organs according to how his processor divides the signals, organizes them in the mind and interacts with them and such-
    So coconut says he didn’t read a “particle” of “my” post and such: well it isn’t my post, all these blocks of texts don’t belong to anyone or anything, they are simply information bits, a sequence of symbols, a generalized way to organize information in minds, independent from anything or anyone, a new way to organize information in any mind, and as such the generalized mind is one and only, a monlithic slab that exists inside a box independent from anyone but everyone thinks that it is theirs and such, nothing further from the truth, it is nothing, a generalized information processor independent of us that is on the top of our body…
    And that explains why we don’t need more information workers, they are all manipulating the same box, the combinational affair as in the new jobs will all be the expression of new combinations. As in the reason why Education and Health Care are creating the most “new jobs” is that since most basics are licked and can be done with few workers, as in most of the Technological Economy has optimized and automated (and can potentially solve all of such technical problems in a jiffy if you get rid of contrasting will powers and politics and fights of puny people over breadcrumbs that can’t see the bigger picture) the only thing really left is to try out all of the possible new combinations of information and as a corollary all of the possible definitions of sicknesses and how to solve the sicknesess as in anything can be seen as a sickness, as a problem, you can define anything as a health problem and any target as the problem solved and in such a way create a never ending stream of new sicknesses and health care necessities as anything you think can mean you are sick (as soon as you think you are sick you feel sick and get sick and such) or you have been cured and this is a corollary of all of the possible information combinations in minds inventing their own sicknesses, and all the tests and examinations and health care, and sponging off from all of this the health care industry achieves and such.
    As in the number of combinations of only 20 numbers is 10^20, a huge number, so think of education as the need to make everyone memorize 10^20 numbers, so you see education is infinite and the same with health care, a combinational affair, keep a steady stream of bits, and then it doesn’t even matter if the combinations are repeated and the redundancies, it is all about repetitions and redundancies today, it is an old and bored society today, it is all about boredome today, and fights to break the boredome and imaginary constraints and resource limitations when it is only fights between people, one person wanting to hog it all up and others fighting that one person or group of persons and so forth and such.
    As a conclusion we need Free Salaries to All, Free Rents, and huge projects, skyscrapers and rockets to mars payed by the governments printing trillions of dollars by the FED instead of giving it to banks and such.
    APE HEAD

  138. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 3:18 am #

    Says it’s viewable only by Australians. We can’t watch it.
    E.

  139. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 6:05 am #

    Oh, brother. North Korea blew up a small nuke above ground. Now the world will get all worked up over a whole lot of nothing. Geez, Fukushima’s radiation for the last year has probably exceeded the N. Korean nuclear test’s fallout by ten thousand percent but I guess the United Nations needs to find a reason to furrow its brow.
    Meh.
    E.

  140. ComradeDystopia February 12, 2013 at 8:43 am #

    Yeah E5, but that fallout from Fukushima is merely drifting over to the west coast slowly, in ocean and wind currents, by degrees. Young Kim plans on attaching one of his Nuclear devices on the nose of a missile and delivering it to the west coast all at once, post haste. That’s the difference.
    I’m Minister without Portfolio, consigned to view events from the outside (with my customary malevolent detachment) .
    ==CD

  141. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 8:58 am #

    “Putting it simply, Jim doesn’t believe in grand conspiracy theories … and, for what it’s worth, neither do I.” -k/q-
    Nice counter, K. And yeah, for myself, I tend to try to believe in the sayings that go:
    “Never blame on conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity, complacency, or inertia.”
    And that’s true enough of the “Grand Conspiracy,” probably – hopefully.
    But what of the lesser conspiracies. Sept. 11 was DEFINITELY a conspiracy of 100+ Muslim Jihad planners, trainers, financiers – along with 19 fanatics who were willing to die for Allah.
    Definitely, right?
    Now, did this conspiracy catch the attention of low and mid-level, even upper-level intelligence operatives around the globe, including Mossad.
    Perhaps, right?
    Was this “attention,” if it existed, quickly covered up from public view after the fact?
    Definitely, again, right?
    Would that be a Grand Conspiracy?
    You tell me, OK.

  142. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    More news on the Pope’s resignation.
    http://www.truthdig.com/images/cartoonuploads/PopeGoesTheWeasel.jpg
    The grapevine indicates that one of the top nominees to take Pope Nazidict’s place is Cardinal Janos Skorenzy, a peculiar chap in tune with his feminine side who enjoys stroking his pussy and posting to CFN.

  143. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    Still on conspiracy –
    And Janos, sometimes you come up with some good stuff, like the following:
    “To open our borders is an act of hatred against the American People. And if not motivated by hatred, it could only be motivated by extreme self interest and indifference to our well being.”
    Also, it is an act of hatred or indifference to the environment of the US and the global disasters being promulgated by US policies.
    In researching conspiracy, I came upon the website “rationalwiki (dot) com.” Some of you will like their stock positions on “Atheism” and “9/11.”
    But their positions on other things are stock irrational..asoka..like..positions.
    And rationalwiki is a very well constructed website. That takes money. And it takes the involvement of more than one or two people.
    To my mind, this begins to look like conspiracy.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Britain_is_full
    ====================
    Similar to the conspiracy that ruined the Sierra Club and greatly contributed to the ruin of the environmental movement in the United States.
    http://www.susps.org/
    If so, this is proving very, very bad.

  144. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    England used to have “Universal Aunts”, an organization of mostly young men who would help orphans and travelers in trouble – all for a fee.
    ============
    What? A bunch of young men referred to themselves as the “Universal Aunts?” That’s odd. Were they a troupe of cross-dressers?
    A question for you, Cardinal Skorenzy.
    Are Transvestites Homosexuals?

  145. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 9:20 am #

    “in tune with his feminine side who enjoys stroking his pussy and posting to CFN.”
    -dee jones?-
    Sure sounds like you, dee.
    You were “Vlad Kramps,” too, weren’t you?

  146. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 9:20 am #

    If so, this is proving very, very bad.
    ==========
    What can you do, what can you do, it’s the society we’re living in.
    By the way, are you and your buds finishing up your final preparations for the President’s visit to Atlanta this Thursday? I know you all have been working overtime to get that petition ready to present it to him in person like real men.

  147. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    “like real men.”
    Wow, “Carol,” you can use “real men” as an insult, and simultaneously use “feminine side…stroking…pussy” as an insult.
    You have issues. I believe I’ve mentioned that.

  148. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    ===========
    “You will have a response within minutes generated by the Crank Letter Answer Bot.” -k/q-
    I was being sarcastic about expecting an answer to my fax to Obama. I don’t think faxes (unlike personal letters) normally receive responses, even though they are required to have a return phone number – and mine have my legitimate home address on them, as well.
    I’ve been faxing through NumbersUSA for months now, ever since asoka..and the SPLC suggested to me that they were the best of the immigration reduction organizations.
    It’s surprisingly easy to do. And it’s free.
    They provide the digital platform and a variety of basic messages – which the sender can personalize as he or she sees fit.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/sendfax
    This link will take you to their “Gang of Eight” fax – but you can establish an account and then login to send other faxes on a variety of immigration related topics.
    I generally personalize my faxes with a PS related to environmental issues OR the plight of native born US minorities – as related to excessive LEGAL immigration and looming US overpopulation.

  149. newworld February 12, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    White identity politics is coming along just as our meta politics of progress is failing. Much like Serbian identity politics came along as the commmunist sham in Yugoslavia ran out of gas. Its alright though the death of the American empire is god’s greatest gift to this right winger.
    I want my nation back.

  150. ozone February 12, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    I’m noticing that as JHK gets closer and closer to examining the topography of the dying empire’s heart, the more prolific are the rantings of the “racially aware” that distract us from that examination. (The littlest laddie put in a grueling shift last eve, trying to pull us into his dank and stinking little nigger-free burrow that he has hollowed out under the rock known as Ignorance and Oblivion.)
    Why would that be?

  151. newworld February 12, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    And as the American Empire dissolves we can can its religion of Political Correctness. Censorhip and taboo won’t patch up the failing center in this country anymore than the Bakken will put us all in Escalades.
    Any of you lefties want to save Political Correctness? You know you cannot without appearing to be a joke.

  152. ront February 12, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    “The trouble about arguments is, they ain’t nothing but theories, after all, and theories don’t prove nothing, they only give you a place to rest on a spell when you are tuckered out butting around and around trying to find out something there ain’t no way to find out.”
    –Mark Twain

  153. ozone February 12, 2013 at 10:48 am #

    Welcome Dean Witter employee-person.
    Please tell us why the stock market is so bullish in the present “economic climate” (street-level-wise), if you would be so kind.
    Thank you.
    (Unless it’s all shenanigan-based; then there’s no need to explain.)

  154. ComradeDystopia February 12, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    The phrase ‘Politically Correct’ was first used by Comrade Stalin about 1932. In that time and place to be unpolitically correct meant certain death — by execution or hard labor. In our own time political correctness is a form of censorship, indeed, an attempt to persuade people to censor themselves.
    It basically renders the truth unsayable.
    ==CD

  155. stelmosfire February 12, 2013 at 11:05 am #

    Hey Vladdy, Maybe you did not comprehend my post. My Mom is DEAD, She can’t hear me. What now? A corpse has ears? I used to be a goat! I figure you were a maggot! Former lives do not matter. It is the way we live now that matters.I have to agree with A, live and love.

  156. stelmosfire February 12, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    LOL. CN

  157. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    Very interesting link posted @ archie’s place.
    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-02-11/rationally-speaking-we-are-all-apocalyptic-now
    Here’s an excerpt:
    “This “revelation” is simple: We’ve built a world based on the assumption that we will have endless energy to subsidize endless economic expansion, which was supposed to magically produce justice. That world is over, both in reality and in dreams. Either we begin to build a different world, or there will be no world capable of sustaining a large-scale human presence.
    If that’s not clear: When we take seriously what physics, chemistry and biology tell us about the health of the living world on which we depend, we all should be thinking apocalyptically. Look at any crucial measure of the ecosphere….”
    ===================
    And the ONLY thing that I can see that might have an impact on this madness – for me as a US citizen – is to lobby for reduction of US population growth, to stop the Growth Madness HERE, before it is altogether too late for us all.

  158. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 11:29 am #

    To CFN, but Prog, Vlad and E in particular, I recommend reading Fred’s latest essay titled Amnesty… then discuss amongst yourselves.

  159. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    Here is the link to Fred if you need it.
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/

  160. Buck's A Stud February 12, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    Speaking of “constraints” and ” the arbitrary” I could place a hammer on my head and call it a hat(if I balance it well enough); likewise, I could try and pound a nail with a cap. At some point though, “things” begin to naturally define themselves based on function/efficiency.
    Or am I missing something, Tabor the Ape Man?

  161. ComradeDystopia February 12, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    I think the tide of history might not be in your favor, P2C. When these 20-30 million illegals become citizens, the next step is to bring in their relatives from villages in Mexico. What’s going to stop them? Any objections will be met with charges of racism and that you are against poor people and family unification. Assuming in these Mexican villages everybody is related, you could be looking at 200 million ‘new Americans’ in the next two decades. I understand your homestate of Georgia is already loaded with people from South of the Border. Get ready to welcome a bunch more. You might want to learn Spanish.
    ==ComradeDystopia

  162. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 11:49 am #

    I could place a hammer on my head and call it a hat(if I balance it well enough)
    ===========
    Yes, you could, but could you call it a scarcely donned, Bavarian hunting cap?

  163. Buck's A Stud February 12, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    Yeah, I caught some of that act, perpetuated by “K-Dog” and his sidekick Baxter Black schtick clone otherwise known as “Ozone”. And what an unfortunate moment in the life of the CFN comment section it was.
    But really now, it just occurred to you that some might not be completely revealing themselves, or even disguising their identities on the World Wide Web? How old are you again? Oh never mind,why not just ask K-Dog, that cyber-speculating creep of a voyuer? But you may have to pull his inspective head out of Asoka’s ass to in order to garner his attention.
    But just for the record, I still believe Asoka to be black… and living in ” The Land of Enchantment” below skies that make one fall to the ground and cry…like Robbie Robertson did before writing a song in its honor.

  164. ComradeDystopia February 12, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    As a matter of fact P2C, you unfortunately may have to vacate that large, fine house you live in in Georgia for the sake of propriety and fairness. Is it fair just the two of you take up so much space and consume so many resources when so many people in the 3rd world, your brothers and sisters in the Eyes of God, go without? I would say No, it is not fair! 40 Mexicans can live comfortably in that house.
    You have 24 hours to pack your things. And by the way, leave the truck.
    ==CD

  165. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    What’s not to like? It’s a Taco Revolution.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CklS8s0moVw
    Hasta La Vista, Whopper!

  166. Cavepainter February 12, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

    TRUE FAIRNESS IN IMMIGRATION REFORM
    Yeah, let’s balance things out. Calculate what percent of the total Mexican population is in the US illegally, and then allow an equal percentage amount from all the other countries to come here.
    Of course, exempt all countries that are dominantly Caucasian and European because, as any so called Liberal will tell you, the US is already too White and too European. C’mon, why should Mexicans have advantage of a shared border to cross?
    Another ameliorative correction to history might be to change our foreign policy and global military reach to removing the terrible scourge of Western influence from the world. Yeah, no more secular civil law, no more separation of church and state, no more influence of the Enlightenment and secular, science based apprehension of reality.
    Yeah, all cultures and societies accepted uncritically (that is, unless they are “white”). That’ll fix the world’s problems.

  167. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    A”nd what an unfortunate moment in the life of the CFN comment section it was.”
    -buck-
    Why do you say that, buck?
    If asoka..really was a DOD employee?
    And evidence seems to lean that direction.
    So – do you think he was posting here “as ordered,” or do you think he was just wasting taxpayer time and abusing the DoD network?

  168. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    “No, it is not fair! 40 Mexicans can live comfortably in that house.
    You have 24 hours to pack your things. And by the way, leave the truck.” -cd-
    Yeah, I realize I seem to be on the wrong side of history, in this. The brainwashing of the American populace on this issue is something to behold.
    Friends of mine who are far more conservative than I – still strongly believe in the Grow, Grow forever dream, and therefore believe that more immigration is good, as long as it is LEGAL.
    They will learn they were terribly wrong, if they live that long and have eyes to see.
    And as regards my house and truck, that’s some pretty good symbolism. 40 illegals COULD live here. That would be enough to overrun the septic tank so would start flushing their pathogens and toxins into the town’s drinking water – only a couple of miles downstream.
    Perfect irony, right?
    Speaking of irony, cd wasn’t just a few short months ago that you were admiring the illegals in your area for being such great family men, and fishing in that river.
    I wonder if they had a fishing license?
    I wonder if they followed catch and release rules, and the rest of the fishing regulations?
    Something tells me, “no.”

  169. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III February 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    Or the line from the Lennon song –
    “I’ve got nothing to say, but its okay.”

  170. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III February 12, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    But does he live in a mud hut?
    Methinks not.

  171. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

    You may end up having to simply take possetion of a part of the farm, if only to keep some of the land in the family. That farmland, however much it may now be being mismanaged, is an asset that your family ought not, I would think, allow to be passed into other hands. If enough of you become unemployed maybe you could insist that the proprietors step aside and let more sensible and responsible people run the place. A plan of that sort might be something that some of your relatives, who I suppose want to be nice, could agree upon. “If things get bad enough for enough of us, maybe then you could agree to…”

  172. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

    Q. said:
    To CFN, but Prog, Vlad and E in particular, I recommend reading Fred’s latest essay titled Amnesty… then discuss amongst yourselves.
    ****************************************************************
    Dante had this idea of nine circles of Hell to denote the idea of RELATIVE evil rather than ABSOLUTE evil. Personally, I am data driven and what does that data say? Well, it says that the BLACK population of the USA is, far and away, the most intractably bad with regard to crime and educational underperformance. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised that, since the conversion of East Palo Alto from virtually all Black to mostly Mexicans, the place isn’t nearly the shit hole it once was.
    Does that mean I love Mexican culture, in general? Well, I give it mixed reviews but, then again, I’m giving White culture mixed reviews these days … but mostly because Whites, especially White youth, seem to be emulating ghetto/barrio fashion and behavior much more of late. Mexicans in California work hard and are virtually NEVER to be found on the streets panhandling. It’s Blacks and Whites who are panhandling. Mexican families mostly stay together and in retail businesses, they are very courteous to whites.
    The downside? Mexican “culture” is almost an oxymoron since their primary form of music here in California is Mariachi music which is of GERMAN origin. However, I’ll take that any day of the week over hip hop and most rap. On the other hand, there’s also no doubt that Mexican crime in the USA is way, way above White crime and gang activity is indisputably large. They also put very little stock in education and the mental variegation and refinement that it offers.
    By the way, Q., don’t you object to calling Mexicans “Hispanics”? You’re rather a language purist and Mexicans are overwhelmingly Amerindian. Argentines are TRULY “Hispanic” since their population really does largely come from Spanish roots. That’s not true of Mexico.
    So, bottom line, I’m not thrilled with Mexican immigration but it doesn’t bum me out like the Black inner cities of the East Coast and Midwest which are less safe than BAGHDAD a decade ago.
    E.

  173. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    I like your idea of letting equal amounts of other cultures in if we’re going to give amnesty to all Mexicans. The truth is, however, that if you have a NORWEGIAN wife, you’ll have a tougher time and a longer wait getting her in here than getting a Mexican bride in here. The INS tortures American men who wed European women.
    And your point seems obvious to me (but probably not to the bleeding heart types on CFN) i.e., that we’d be a helluva lot better off if we brought over more, say, Scandinavians, just out of a sense of fairness. However, CP, I don’t think Europeans want to leave their nests over there and I can’t say as I blame them.
    E.

  174. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    Like I said last week, this is when we will see a backlash. The 11 million are here now, it is the future, as in 2-3 years from now, influx of relatives we just can’t live without which will provoke a backlash.
    The way to avoid charges of racism is to call for a moratorium of 5-10 years on ALL immigration from anywhere.

  175. Eleuthero5 February 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm #

    CD said:
    It basically renders the truth unsayable.
    *************************************************************
    I think this is the very definition of how “political correctness” is practiced. It is ORWELLIAN liberalism and open dialog about tough issues is verboten. That’s why the discussion of difficult issues like Black destruction of American inner cities isn’t even allowed and, if found, is crushed out of existence.
    If an indisputable truth says something bad about somebody, its discussion is deeply censured.
    E.

  176. stelmosfire February 12, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    nailed it E, I am totally cranky this week. Pulled Hamstring, can’t walk, roofs leakin’, snow up the yazoo, and no god damn sleep. Keep up the good fight!

  177. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    Backlash? What backlash? There isn’t going to be any backlash. If your owners want immigration, “legal” or “illegal,” then you’ll get immigration, and there is NOTHING you can do about it. NOTHING. Except, complain about it in the backwater of cyberspace.

  178. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    Yeah, and the discussion of the destruction wrought by Methamphetamine use/abuse in Red State America. Just like the corrupt inner cities, except it’s mostly a white issue, and it’s more widely spread and less concentrated than the large urban centers.

  179. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    If an indisputable truth says something bad about somebody, its discussion is deeply censured.
    =============
    See link below.
    http://www.gingersoftware.com/english-online/spelling-book/confusing-words/censor-censure

  180. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    Let me guess. You all will blame the following on the Jews, or the Illegal Immigrants, or the Liberals, or the Feminists, or the Atheists, or the Communists, or the Gays, or anything else you can find, because, God forbid, nothing could ever be your own fault.
    http://www.reasontopia.com/red-states-meth-states/
    ===========
    We have already done an article on the fact that the red states take more federal dollars than the blue states. They are the true welfare queens. But still there is a misguided belief by many on the right that liberal states and people are the “freeloaders”. Well, if that wasn’t enough, we now find that meth usage is more prevalent in the red states.
    We hear a lot about the South and Midwest, you know, the part that many Republicans call “the Real America.” It’s “more wholesome”. It’s more “family-oriented”. It’s more “religious”. It’s “more self-sufficient”. Well, those all sound like nice bumper stickers but it is also the epicenter of the American meth epidemic. Stick that on your bumper.

  181. Cavepainter February 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    Oh, I forgot. For a complete redress of all the wrongs of the US, America must surrender its favorable population/resource ratio and level it against the global population density by admitting unrestricted immigration until our density here reflects that of the global whole.
    But too, the influx must reflect a skin tone and cultural blend as representative as possible as the spread across the world.
    Cost? Well that’ll just have to be a burden to bear as penance for having been the only nation in history to have had slavery, or discrimination, or exploitation of minorities, or practiced genocide, etc., etc., and which objective examination of world history shows that no people of color or non-European societies ever were guilty of.

  182. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    By the way, Q., don’t you object to calling Mexicans “Hispanics”? You’re rather a language purist and Mexicans are overwhelmingly Amerindian.
    ===========
    I am largely ignorant on these titles. If I understand correctly one is on fairly firm ground using the term Latino for Spanish speaking people, especially of any shade of brown. Am I right there?

  183. ComradeDystopia February 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    Hey P2C, you’re right about that.
    Consistency has never been one of my strong points.
    I think I was describing a Mexican family fishing for perch in the Farmington River on a Sunday afternoon just like we used to do years ago. They even arrived in an old Ford. I recall a bunch of kids running around and the old man drinking beer from a can. It all looked pretty familiar.
    And what a contrast to what my neighbors are like here now, most of whom wouldn’t be caught dead fishing in the river. No time anyway, what with the exotic vacations, political activism (left wing do-gooder type), huge mcmansions, summer cottages on the sound, big boats, trips to the casino, trips to WestFarms Mall and maintaining their fleets of German automobiles.
    Its the little ones that clinched it. Nobody here wants anything bad to happen to any little kids no matter where they come from. That’s what males this such a hard problem.
    ==CD

  184. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

    In both Posession and Multiple Personality Disorder, there is usually a chief personality. The chief personality of the Asoka complex, who called himself Asoka.. admitted that he was caught and laughed at what he had put over on us. Everyone was fooled to some degree, I don’t know why you feel you have to defend your personal confusion. Perhaps because you bought into the twisted world view that Asoka presented? That I hold to your account: it was pure craziness yet because of his cyber Blackness, you accepted it all. Now that he is gone, you already seem to be recovering: “Asoka” would never have approved of your distaste for the massive amnesty.
    If you want further Asoka type guidance, may I suggest Carol Newquist?

  185. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Your mother is more alive than ever. She merely dropped her body. Surely you don’t believe that consciousness can be reduced to just chemicals? Why let death destroy your relationship with her? She may be be watching/listening right now…

  186. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    It’s not a dank burrow but a south facing Hobbit Hole with Windows. And what could be more delightful than a Schwartzen Free place where kids could play outide until after dark on long summer nights? Read Bradbury’s “Dandelion Wine” for what we once had and could have again. Comrade
    Ozone!, we share so many of the same viewpoints. Accept that this is so and learn the art of bile reduction. The South was right. Blacks don’t belong in White Society. Whites have the right to self determination. It’s all clear. We are wating for you.
    You think my White Nationalism is approved by the Feds? Madness. Can you imagine a White Nationalist terrorist getting off on a technicality and going on to teach at a major University and be a confidant of the rich and powerful – including a President? You know, just like Bill Ayers has done? Well I can’t and neither can any sensible person. White Nationalists don’t get off on technicalities but they do get convicted by them. There’s one poor schmoe doing twenty years for throwing a rock thru a Synagogue window….

  187. 79iron February 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Imaginary Box
    The imaginary box on the top of your body, the box everyone is trying to manipulate, everyone is trying to affirm their rules, the way they see things, as every brain gives the illusion as being the only brain, the only view, the view that occupies all space and all time, and we simply pay lip service to “politically correct” and “respect of other people’s opinion and views” and other BS. Because the entire concept of justice and law and envy and wanting to punish and so forth, all the political fights make it appear as if the BOX is one only and everyone is trying to make the combinations in the BOX be the way they want them to be, but since the combinations are infinite, and since everyone wants the generalized and absolute reality represented by the Imaginary Box to be they way they want it, they exert the fight their will power forces them to exert, as if that box is in some abstract world shared by all and everything, valid for all space and time and so forth.
    The entire concept of morality and Law, the metaphysical rules imposed by religions, right and wrong, the wars and such, politics and fights are all because of this imaginary “common world” this imaginary metaphysical abstract “Imaginary Box” – the brain, that must behave and follow the values and laws any random brain (nay, group of brains, country, civilization, religion, a set of brains that affirm what the imaginary box must be by sheer numbers) believes must be the correct ones.
    And yet the brain as an imaginary abstract box containing all and all of the world appears to be
    exactly as such given the perfect logical and abstract nature of its logic circuits, all of its language and thought paths, the absolute and generalized sequence of patterns associated with sequence of words, with sequence of discourse everyone can understand, can connect to, the logic and language and thought paths being so purely perfect and abstract and logical, pure bits, pure logic, no extension here, and as such this box on the top of your body contains all of these abstract constructions inside of it, and as such all boxes of all people contain similar abstract constructions make it all appear as one place, one entity, a monolithic abstract imaginary box that is undergoing a tug of war between contrasting will powers wanting the box to contain and interact according to some arbitrary interaction set and such.
    And as such when it is said “Justice is Made”, when someone is condemned according to the law and such, when someone wins the war, when god judges and punishes according to the rules: in that moment, the moment Justice is Made and such, the imaginary box appears to be a shared entity, a shared common monolithic entity that everyone thinks must behave and appear as one (a common construction, a monolithic entity everyone is helping to construct,in the same box but that is valid for all space and all time, just as the world appears to any single brain), being that the box is all, is the universe all and all, the box represents all of which is possible and such. The box of pure logic circuits (but if the minds had more extension between the logic symbols and circuits, more dead time and dead space, more undefined and random details – pebbles, car tires, broken glasses and windows and so forth, cracks, between all its logic, the imaginary box would no longer be such, there would be too much random detail in the common “platonic world” to make it appear so pure anymore, it would be wild and fun and crazy and no one could make much sense of it, the common world finally defeated, the imaginary box collapsed, finally, details prevail random wins, no more platonic structures here, no more metaphysical world here, now it is all crazy detailed random having no sense, where there is nothing to fight for, very localized and not generalized and absolute, completely relative and such). We worship the imaginary box and common world it represents, we devote ourselves to this god, this abstract place, this metaphysical construction of minds operating according to reason, all intent on constructing this common monolithic place containing the correct laws, the correct events, the history of the world must be a correct one and such.
    But there is no such thing, it is just an illusion, there is no Imaginary Box, the abstract constructions live in an abstract world that makes the box appear real and all, but this is just one very particular fluke design of a brain, another design will change all of this and so forth.
    Ape Cock says, now, go on and stick it in the Rant House, go on do that, go on, Barbie Crazy, Cinderella Confused, SHpac a LAc SHpa a shlac a speck…
    First Gear its all right, Second gear hold on tight, third gear you’re out of sight, groovy man, groovy, dig it man, can you dig it ? dig it, sock it to me,..
    APE HEAD

  188. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    As ever, it comes down to race, the least understood and therefore most talked about subject. And deservedly so: it must be understood. Our fo-fathers didn’t talk much about it because they understood it.
    Fred don’t get it. Latin America is prosperous to the extent it is White. Southern Brazil is prosperous because White. Mexico is prosperous where Whites are. Mexico is benefiting by giving us its poor and ignorant Mestizos. Their gain is our loss. Sure some of them can make a go of it: many do work hard and also make massive use of social services. But they will also tend to support the radicals who want their own Nation. It’s just human nature. Look at the Blacks: often the most intelligent are the most radical.
    On the other hand, as Fred said, we don’t have the will – which is another way of saying we are a Nation anymore. The Mexicans know this and dream of stepping up to become a new Elite. Nature abhors a vacuum… What can I say? He’s a smart man and he doesn’t hate Whites. He knows our cause is just and has spoken at Amren Conferences. But he has made other choices by marrying a Mexican. He doesn’t accept IQ stats that show Blacks and Mestizos being less intelligent so the debate with him is stymied right there. I appreciate that at least he is not stupidly sanguine and knows it might all go bad.

  189. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    Enjoy your greese laden tacos, dear.
    I will be having soup made from ingredients I grew and bread baked from flour grown near to where I live without chemical intervention and milled nearby without extra additives being added. This I can afford because I do not spend at fast food joints, incl. roach coaches.
    We shall see who lives longer.
    Oh, and you can shell out for the immigrant housekeeper, enjoy having your personal life discussed throughout your community and I am sure you can manage just fine with a few small family trinkets you will soon be missing. You have soo much, after all. You can have your plants blowdried into extinction, you really didn’t want that rare and unusual lily you ordered at great cost, did you? I mean, the mow & blow guy never saw one before so how was he to know it wasn’t a weed, and besides that his MOM never got to have anything like your lily so who do you think you are anyway?

  190. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    The Mexican radicals take offence since they identify with their Aztec heritage. I don’t know how common this viewpoint is, but they are very influential. I think Chicano is an acceptable term to them but not Mexican, Hispanic, or Latino since all of those are European to some degree or other.

  191. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    Enjoy your greese laden tacos, dear.
    ==========
    I’ve never heard of tacos made with goose flesh. A new recipe. Nice word, and typical “American” laziness to combine grease and geese.
    I don’t eat much “Mexican,” and when I do, I make it myself. I’m not one for cheap Mexican food.
    I bet I can do more chin-ups than you.
    You ask, “so who do you think you are anyway?”
    I’m someone who doesn’t like Whoppers. It’s not too complicated. I don’t like Chihuahuas, either. Add racist bigots to that list. It’s a really long list, by the way.

  192. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Fred located in Mexico? If so, more irony. “Americans” have to be the most ironic people on the face of the planet. Seriously, you can’t make this shit up. Larry David can write his entire next season, if there is one, just from reading the CFN comments section.

  193. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    Changing the subject…
    I glanced up from my laptop to my big TV which is tuned to CNBC (you know, business/stock market stuff) from morning till night Monday through Friday and a guy was being interviewed who I have seen on the show a dozen or so times over the years. His name (if I heard it correctly, my hearing has deteriorated badly) is Dan Niles. I am nearly certain he is Indian (dot, not feather, Tm Lucky 13) and probably Southern Indian because he is VERY dark. He is probably in his late 30s or early-40s, handsome and has great salt and pepper hair (more salt than pepper) that belies his years. He is at least as dark as Shaquille O’Neal.
    “Yeah, and your point?” you ask.
    This guy Niles speaks American English like you and I. If I had simply listened without raising my head to look I would NEVER know a dark Southern Indian was talking. I speculate that Niles is a second generation American or possibly 3rd generation, i.e. either his parents or perhaps his grand parents immigrated into the US. Thus, he has had the time necessary to absorb American English and abandon the mother tongue of his forebears.
    Why does Shaquille O’Neal (whose American heritage must surely go back 200+ years) NOT speak what you and I think of as Standard American English? Is it a matter of can’t or won’t?
    And BTW, while typing just now I looked up and saw that a Black man, first name Reggie, was part of a 3-man discussion. Like Niles he was sharp and well dressed but I didn’t need to see him to know he was Black.
    This non-absorption into the mainstream, language-wise, is a perennial subject and sore point with me. Maybe Asoka.. will return and explain why this is.
    Another aside: I looked up again and Lloyd Blankfein was being interviewed. I heard him begin ONLY two sentences with the offensive “Look.”

  194. lucky 13 February 12, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

    “By the way, Q., don’t you object to calling Mexicans “Hispanics”? You’re rather a language purist and Mexicans are overwhelmingly Amerindian. Argentines are TRULY “Hispanic” since their population really does largely come from Spanish roots. That’s not true of Mexico”
    Argentina is White because the Spaniards killed
    all the Indians, yes?
    And Janos, after the invaders stole the gold and enslaved the natives, how can the brown skinned be prosperous?

  195. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    Let’s have a bake off between you, Carol, and SJ -to be judged by the Men of Clusterfuck. The prize will be a free dinner out with the Male Clusterfucker of your choice.
    Be doesn’t cook so she is regretfully excluded. She and her husband take turns with the Ramen instant dinners.

  196. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    As usual, Fred gets more right than he gets wrong.
    “It is not now or never. It is thirty years ago or never. This limits the options.”
    -fred, on deporting all the “Latinos”-
    Fred’s right about this. It was roughly 1983 when the besotted St. Ronald Reagan presided over the FIRST large legalization of illegals. WageLaborer talked about how the schools in California emptied, as all THOSE newly legal folks took the kids home for an extended visit to their Abuelita.
    But I’d like to talk to Fred. With his references to the “Mexican” border and “Latinos,” Fred seems to be lumping all of the illegals in the US together and then calling them by the wrong name. There are all of these racist gradations in Mexico, and Fred seems to want to sweep them all under the rug. The upper crust of “Mexicans” is as white as Fred is. Beyond that – the darker the skin and the more “rural?” or “unconnected” a persons origin in Mexico – the greater their difficulty in rising in Mexican society. (IOW, a Guatemalan fares poorly and digs ditches. Someone of Castillian descent starts at the top and stays there.)
    I’ve gotten off the subject a little, above, but I’ll leave it in – mainly to make the point that Mexico has been gleefully exporting what the upper levels of Mexican society think of as their “problems” to the US – for many years.
    =====================
    Something else Fred gets right is when he says, “Now, if the Latinos are in the US, and are not going to leave, it might be wise to find a modus vivendi, a means of avoiding the breaking of the country into a third hostile camp. What are the prospects of doing this?
    I’m not sure. But I can foresee the consequences
    of not doing it.”
    I can foresee the consequences as well as Fred, and the consequences are bad. BUT, to go from this fear of bad consequences to a full-blown BLANKET PERMANENT legalization, especially one that includes a “automatic US citizenship” is morally wrong.
    And anything that leads to more “chain migration” more “birthright citizenship” or more of anything else that increases the population of the United States on our finite landmass on this finite planet that we live on –
    IS JUST PLAIN STUPID!
    IMHO, of course.
    =====================
    Something else about Fred, he seems to have no particular grasp of “peak everything.” Thus he doesn’t realize that the population of the US is more likely to descend to 150,000,000 or less – than it is to ASCEND to some astronomical level that includes millions MORE of Fred’s “Latinos.”
    If he could see all that, then Fred would be likely be urging those Latinos to STAY HOME, and make things better for their families where they are.
    That’s what I’m trying to do.

  197. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    By their own standards, they might be prosperous even now although by our’s they are not. The Builder Race of the Inca, Maya, and Aztec cities were Nordic Whites. We know that the Inca and the Aztec were usurpers of previous White/Indian Civilizations. And the Maya speak much about them as well. Do not hate me, but rather take pride in what you do have. I’m not the highest Nordic type either.

  198. lucky 13 February 12, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

    From the web:
    Conservapedia has a few things posted about Wiki!
    This is from Yahoo:
    The Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is a non-profit charitable organization based in St. Petersburg, Florida, USA, and organized under the laws of the state of Florida. It operates several online collaborative projects including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks (including Wikijunior), Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons, Wikispecies, Wikinews, Wikiversity, and Meta-Wiki.
    Its existence was officially announced by Wikipedia co-founder[3][4] Jimmy Wales, who was running Wikipedia within his company Bomis, on June 20, 2003.
    Its approval by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, by letter in April 2005, as an educational foundation in the category “Adult, Continuing Education” means all contributions to the Wikimedia Foundation are tax deductible for U.S. federal income tax purposes.
    Anyone can post on Wiki, if ‘they’ dont like it
    well, it may be scrubbed.
    I do not know what ‘Rational Wiki’ is nor do I know if it lives up to its lofty name.

  199. lucky 13 February 12, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    Do you read Drudge?
    Did you see the link to the article:
    Woman goes for abortion at 8+ months pregnant’?

  200. progress4conserving February 12, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    “nailed it E, I am totally cranky this week.”
    -st. elmo, agreeing with E’s post-
    St., you’re one of the last folks I’d want to cross on this blog. Probably in real life, too.
    But, E’s post essentially said that blacks were shiftless, lazy and thuggish. And E said that he prefers “Mexicans” because they are not as lazy, shiftless, or thuggish as are the blacks – despite that fact that E does not care for Mariachi music, of German origin.
    Isn’t it racist to prefer one race to another?
    =====================
    On a more serious note, the thought has been crossing my mind that allowing all of these brown-skinned immigrants into the United States is MOSTLY about replacing the black population – as workers and technicians, with potential access to a middle class standard of living.
    And it’s also about importing a NEW underclass to oppress and fight with the old underclass, to the benefit of the largely white (looking?) upper class.
    If I were black and insightful, that’s probably the way I’d be looking at it by now, anyway.
    Even though it means that the SPLC, the ACLU, and even the NAACP sold me and my people out, long ago, in favor of their new immigrant darlings.
    That means it’s all about money – not justice.
    And you wonder why I’d speak Ebonics, K?

  201. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    It was yet another example of him flouting his authority.
    ============
    It should be flaunting. Look up definitions and I’m sure you’ll agree.
    Also, from your description, the only instance of the guard having flaunted his authority was the telling of lame jokes (in particular one offensive to women). Everything else you described sounded like descriptions of routine guard activity, like collecting the visitor badges. In what way was his telling of jokes “yet another example…etc.”
    As a matter of fact even the telling of jokes was not an instance of flaunting his authority since the jokes were completely outside the realm of his job functions. (I see here the same character flaw as Mot with his pathetically un-cute “cute stories.”)
    Had he, on the contrary, walked the lobby area in an officious manner like the menacing station manager played by Sacha Baron Cohen in the movie Hugo, perhaps twirling a billy club and had he questioned you about the possessions in a briefcase and stared at you with a look of guilty until proved innocent, and had he made a show of buffing his mirror shined shoes and his rent-a-cop badge… THEN you might declare these as examples of his flaunting of authority.
    But, it’s YOUR story, I don’t want to hijack it.
    I DO like the way you have stirred doubt in readers minds about the underlying character of innocuous seeming people. We might be standing in the Piggly Wiggly checkout line behind a mass murderer. And when you look at every thing in the world as not only a glass half empty but rather completely empty you are well set up for pleasant surprises.
    P.S. I assume we will be finding out in a future installment what was so important about taking the picture of Dad’s friend Al with you out of the building?

  202. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

    Why does Shaquille O’Neal… NOT speak what you and I think of as Standard American English?
    ==========
    Re the above and before it slips my mind, tune in to Jeopardy tonight. For the past two weeks the competition has been among high school students. I think tonight is the final. They’re down to 3 boys. One is Black and has hair as ridiculous as Buckwheat’s but he’s smart as a whip (or, at least, has a terrific memory for all sorts of trivia), a resonant base voice and speaks perfect American English totally free of Ebonics. It’s astonishing and proves to me that it CAN be done.
    All 3 boys are terrific. It’s a two day affair and today is day two. The nerdiest of the 3 is in the lead.

  203. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    Good review of a book whose author has traveled a bit further than you on the road to racial truth, but still has a ways to go. The author is enraged at affirmative action’s discrimination against Whites – and he admits that the Leftists knew exactly what they were doing. And that the old Southern Racists say through it while Liberal Whites did not. But he still reveres the ultimate shibboleth and idol Martin Luther King – as if King would be against this. If King had lived, such idolatry wouldn’t be possible since he was for all of it.
    http://www.amren.com/features/2013/02/self-inflicted-wounds/

  204. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    should be “saw through it” not say

  205. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    Oh you must be Anti. I thought for a minute we were going to have a conversation. But like him, you jumped onto another topic to avoid such a terrible thing. I don’t usually get to Drudge, though he does great work.
    Eight months is nothing. The doctors have the right to kill babies being born as long as they are still inside. Sometimes mistakes happen and one is born anyway. Dr Paul related how he saw one such unfortunate left in a bucket to die. After all, it had been declared non human by a Woman – whom our stupid culture worship as divinities.

  206. Carol Newquist February 12, 2013 at 7:14 pm #

    Agree, it should be flaunting. I’m not quite sure why I had flouting. I made the revision, and I am taking your point about whether or not he was flaunting his authority into consideration. I may remove that line, or alter it entirely. Maybe. There is a part of me that wants to keep it, because I want the reader, in this case you, to want to cut the guy some slack. Overstating the case helps accomplish that, and afterall, the narrator did state that his perspective is the glass as empty, meaning he often presents the worst case, or in this scenario, the worst face.
    By the way, Al’s picture remains in the building. If you recollect, Steve made a big deal about it and the narrator found it, i.e. recovered it, so when that’s mentioned as they make their way to the “finish line,” it’s done so as to indicate a list of accomplishments, or small feats, during their brief visit.
    As it stands now, I have no further plans for that picture of Al. I’m going to do a couple of more installments, the last of which will be a segue into another act of the novel. This is just the prologue, or prelude of the excitement that’s about to unfold. Recollection of memories will provide some refreshing pause amidst the turmoil that’s about to be unleashed. You’re being lulled at this point, and you have no clue what’s about to be dropped on your head.

  207. stelmosfire February 12, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    I hope she is not watching now. I am burning crucifixes in the fireplace to keep the house warm..

  208. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 8:14 pm #

    Isn’t it racist to prefer one race to another? Of course and what’s wrong with that? Doesn’t one have the right to ones’s own judgement, like and dislikes? To have to hire or rent to people who don’t like is tryanny. There is no viable pursuit of happiness without freedom of association.
    And of course objective evidence shows the races to be different in terms of temperment and ability – just like other sub species in other species. You know that greyhounds act different than pit bulls? Right?

  209. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    In Israel, they use T instead of + in arithmetic because they are so afraid of the power of the cross. You are brave but unwise.

  210. ozone February 12, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    Sir (or Knave),
    I take umbrage with the “Baxter Black” comparison. (I had to look him up.) A scurrilous and baseless accusation!
    I am not now, nor have I ever been a large-animal veterinarian… ;o)
    Just for your information, I am not K-dog’s cat’s paw, nor is he mine. If I happen to agree with his viewpoint, theory, etc., or should he happen to agree with mine, that’s nothing more than what is on the very face of it. No conspiracy on this count.
    (I wrote a lot more with hackles raised, but deleted it. Tiresome and overwrought; no more need be said.)

  211. shecky February 12, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

    “a resonant base voice”
    doubtless you meant bass, schoolmarm. unless you meant that his voice was damaged as a result of smoking free base cocaine. but in that case i doubt his voice would be resonant.
    as an act of contrition you may refrain from niggling corrections of other people’s typos for the remainder of this week.

  212. ozone February 12, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    “Why does Shaquille O’Neal (whose American heritage must surely go back 200+ years) NOT speak what you and I think of as Standard American English? Is it a matter of can’t or won’t?” -Q.
    Won’t.
    This goes directly to Rhino/Cash’s [many] screeds on assimilation or the deliberate resistance to it.
    I can’t figure what Shaq’s excuse would be. He’s certainly enough of an outstanding athlete to not feel an overarching need to be distinguished from the madding crowd. (…And it IS all about, “lookatme, lookatme!”, isn’t it? That’s what our so-called culture has devolved to, and it seems to be “a consummation. Devoutly to be wished.”)

  213. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 8:58 pm #

    The picture of Al was recovered.
    ============
    You explained that the picture of Al was not removed from the building but the above sentence could certainly be interpreted otherwise. At a minimum it is misleading. How about “found” rather than “recovered?”
    Other things:
    You wrote, “I’m pleasantly surprised because the worst, or nothing even closely resembling it, rarely manifests.
    The bolded word needs to be either “anything” or “something.”
    You wrote, “we may have caught incontinence.” I like this line although I’m guessing only a minority of readers would “get it.” My mother died at age 84 in a Florida nursing home of Alzheimer’s. On entering the facility one was nearly bowled over by the stench of urine. Your line above implies facetiously that the inability to hold one’s water (incontinence) is a communicable disease if one is around it too long.
    In the penultimate paragraph you enumerate the following: “where he keeps chains, whips, lots of leather and ball gags and the Gimp.” In the last paragraph you use nearly identical language leaving out only “lots of leather.” To me, repeating a list [nearly] verbatim is tiresome and it would have been better in that last paragraph to say “escape the possibility of his hideaway with its awful implements of torture” or some such.
    “they wear the funny hat that look likes an inverted Dixie cup”
    looks like
    Final comment: You implied on last weeks thread that your story would continue but you really didn’t know in what direction… and that the direction would result from following “your muse.” It was hard for me to imagine that a novel could be written without a pretty firm advance idea of its direction…beginning, middle and end. Now, in responding to my earlier critique you indicate you know full well where this story is headed. This makes a lot more sense to me.

  214. ozone February 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    LOL
    Maybe this?:
    base: mean – vile – low – ignoble – sordid – scurvy
    However, the context certainly wouldn’t indicate it.
    ;o)

  215. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    doubtless you meant bass, schoolmarm.
    ===========
    No, I meant base as in morally low, dishonorable, meanspirited, etc. You see, Shecky, bass, being fish, cannot talk. 😉
    Anyway, I cannot go niggle-less for an entire 5 more days. I would loose my mind.
    as an act of contrition you may refrain from niggling corrections of other people’s typos for the remainder of this week.
    ============

  216. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 9:42 pm #

    The Last Pope will be Peter the Roman.

  217. Janos Skorenzy February 12, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    You have already shit on America via Hollwood, now you want the Cap too? Why not use Al Capp’s instead?

  218. Jam47 February 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm #

    Standard American English, accent and accents aside, is more or less the same as the English spoken by the educated Britisher. If Niles parents or grandparents came from India, standard British English may have been the sort of English he’d been speaking since childhood, since that was the version he’d likely heard at home.
    The English ruled India from the mid-seventeenth century till 1947, and left behind a strong cultural imprint. English is still India’s lingua franca, and East Indians of the upper rank take pride in speaking and writing the grammatically correct form of it.
    In fact, up until maybe a generation ago, many of these high caste Indians acted more English than the English– high tea, cricket, the drawling speech of the Oxford aesthete. The English reply was to dismiss these copycats as wogs, as in “the wogs begin at Calais.” The quintessence of this type was Nehru.
    The parents of Shaquille O’Neal didn’t have the British as their model.

  219. Jam47 February 12, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    THE ABOVE POST IS FOR KYOOSHTIK.

  220. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm #

    Sounds like fun. I love to bake.
    I’ll pass on the dinner out, but tickets to hear the best soprano you never heard of (nor has Peter Gelb), Mary Elizabeth Williams, perform Tosca, one of her signature roles, would be lovely.

  221. pedal pusher February 12, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    Right on target, JAM. The disintegration of the English language within our own borders is, I believe, a problem of undetermined proportions. The clarity of thought evident in your comment is remarkable (though it shouldn’t be).

  222. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    One of the most prominently mentioned papabile is Peter Cardinal Turkson, from Ghana. He currently resides in Rome where he is part of the Vatican govt., so the designation ‘Peter of Rome’ does fit.
    I am eagerly awaiting watching the Fox newsbabes flipping out over a (gasp) Black man occupying the chair of St. Peter. Naturally, the dear chicklets are too blessed ignorant to know that the fisherman himself was not white.

  223. Nastarana February 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    I neither know nor care who you are; I shall leave all such speculation to others.
    Again, you are not good at verbal games, give it up already, before whoever is paying you replaces you with someone a little more competent.

  224. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    The parents of Shaquille O’Neal didn’t have the British as their model.
    =========
    No, they had the real thing — Standard American English — on the streets, in the schools, on the radio, and on the TV, 24/7/365 but refused to buy in to the mainstream lingo. What a damn shame. It’s like 50 million people have decided to go through life with one arm tied behind their backs.
    I know, converse, and correspond regularly with educated Indians in the US, Dubai, Mumbai, Pune, and Vadodara and although their speech is very good it is far from the degree of perfection you describe. We are all familiar with maddening calls to tech support that are routed to Bangalore, New Delhi, etc.
    BTW, did you see Jeopardy. The Black kid who speaks SAE won. It CAN be done.

  225. anti soak February 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    Children learn what they live.
    He learned his dialect as a preschooler.

  226. anti soak February 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

    When will this happen?
    And then what?
    Can you line up the Hindu /Buddhist/ Meher Baba
    predictions with Catholic?
    And if so, what do you divine?
    Yoganandas student Kriyananda has a little booklet ‘The Road Ahead’ but judging by some of the stories about Yoganandas predictions, not so sure I can believe that much.
    One tale I was told was that the USAs economy would collapse via hyperinflation around year 2000.
    Another was Boston [he lived there around 1920 or 30] would by 2020 be inhabited with Brown skinned people and have tropical or semi tropical climate.
    However he told one California devotee that that person would live long enough to see the decline of California and the rise of Homeless people,
    which he did.

  227. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

    Children learn what they live.
    He learned his dialect as a preschooler
    ==========
    Blacks learned that if they acted too smart and talked like “the man” they might get the shit kicked out of them by their peers. Their are consequences for crossing certain cultural lines.

  228. anti soak February 12, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    Mexico is collapsing into narco terror.
    Only military might keeps us from this…now
    or later.

  229. Oaktown Mama February 12, 2013 at 11:24 pm #

    I hear the essence of your argument, but there are a multitude of professional blacks who speak standard English. And they socialize with other, I guess I should say, middle or upper middle class people, both black and white. It’s a class thing. Who do you spend your time with? That will determine how you talk more than anything else.

  230. anti soak February 12, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    Is this the face of the future?
    Anti Heroes and their fans?
    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/02/12/Fans-of-Dorner-Cheer-Him-On-Twitter-Fight-The-Power-Go-Dorner-Go

  231. anti soak February 12, 2013 at 11:30 pm #

    Perhaps w. the departure of Asoka [aka R.I.]
    someone saw a chance to be RI2 aka Carol.

  232. Kyooshtik February 12, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    there are a multitude of professional blacks who speak standard English.
    ============
    Gather all the educated and professional Blacks and Whites in the country, those who live and work in upper middle class and higher circles. Have each one call me anonymously on the phone and sight unseen I’ll name the race of 9 out of 10.
    When those Black professionals go home from work at night they will revert to a lower grade of American English when in the presence of Blacks only.

  233. Michigan Native February 13, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    Castles made of sand slip into the sea eventually. You are all going to have to go back to a simpler, agrarian lifestyle and work in harmony with nature or perish. The beginning of the end happened in 1492. Read it and weep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuluSPsbgE

  234. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 1:17 am #

    I see nothing but doom. All the New Age types are crazy. Traditional Hinduism says things will get worse for the next 420,000 years until people are only two feet tall, have sharp teeth, and eat their own children, and copulate with their parents. Sri Yukteshwar said that they got their zeroes wrong in the Middle Ages and that Kali Yuga was almost over – thus Yogananda’s Prophecies I suppose.
    Actually Catholic Prophecy is quite complex and says the End is not near. The Church is supposed to make a miraculous recovery from near death, crush the Muslims in Europe, and become the dominant religion on Earth producing countless Great Saints. To faciliate this, a Great Pope will arise as well as a Great King – a descendant of Charlemagne himself. The Anti-Christ is thus probably a couple of centuries away from this point of view.

  235. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 1:19 am #

    Isn’t the tone of the voice different too – apart from any and all cultural and environmental influences? To my ear, Blacks have a softer and deeper voice.

  236. Oaktown Mama February 13, 2013 at 1:53 am #

    Give me your number and I’ll get some professional blacks to call you. Take the plunge and let’s see what happens.

  237. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 1:54 am #

    Yes the first Peter was a Jew – good call. It’s fine if a Black is elected as long as that is not why he is elected. Hopefully they’re not going to act pathetic like the Republicans did when they made Michael Steele head of the Party, obviously a desperate and bizarre attempt to copy the Democrats.

  238. 79iron February 13, 2013 at 3:38 am #

    Investments – Part Two
    Economists always reason within the categories of Profit, Gain, Investment and such and that is how the world must be, is forced to be, will be no matter what: the entire fix and obsession on “Economic Growth” is all about Profits, future profits, future profits from Investments and such, the entire fix on this, the entire obsession on growth at any cost is always tied into the idea that money has to increase (and in fact it is forced to increase in the end through inflation and especially pumping up the prices of homes, a basic need, and health care a basic need so as to squeeze people to pay more for basic needs since our society can no longer really go forward now, now it is all about fighting between each other for basic needs), that a gain has to be made, that a profit must be maid and naturally this occurs when markets are “Expanding”, “Growing”; when you can sell more stuff, when there is more “Activity” and such. And so it is with all the numbers and statistics, all of them are really only measures on how much possible profit can be and will be made in the future, and the corollary “Debts”, as if debts must be made so that profits are forced to be made no matter what, since now the debts must be paid back and the only wat to pay them back is by gaining a profit, hence the necessity for economies to grow, for the GDP to grow, so that all the future debts are a smaller ratio to what is being “produced” and such.
    But it is an illusion, very few activities will generate much profit anymore, most of the real “innovative” and ground breaking novelties and new markets and activities and such of the 20th century have been done and are over and done with: Apple is the model with their inventing and producing iphones that sell like crazy and such, but how mnany new things like that can be invented ? how many times can that happen ?? not much really, only once in a while, and as time goes by, ever longer while. And then all of the profits are always measured relative to from where they came from, never absolutely: case in point, Apple is “over the hill now”, Apple no longer is “growing” and such, so then Apple is no longer a good investment: it doesn’t matter that their level of profits is science fiction for 99 % of companies worldwide (20 billion dollars, a truly insane amount of money), that it is insane that a company makes so much profits on such a puny item like a telephone, but the economists and investors measure it according to the last quarter and such, and if it isn’t increasing it is “bad” and such (no matter where it came from, like economies, JAPAN is truly the 4th richest country in the world, is hugely rich compared to almost anyplace else, is totally developed, organized, has solved all of their problems (it is virtually impossible for such a country to grow any further, it just can’t be done, like it is impossible for Apple to make 10 billion dollars more profits every year forever), and such, but since they are not growing, they are in a stagflation, they are in bad shape when 99 % of the world will never even hope to achieve such level of wealth and such), totally insane way of seeing things, yet the logic is like a drone, like an a idiot, it must always go up no matter what.
    And what is worse the economists, investors and such assign a morality factor to the missing growth or profit, someone is to blame, someone didn’t do what they should, that is why the economies don’t grow and such (increase pension ages in Europe, change the labor laws, beat up people as much as possible, fire public workers, the morality factor – punish them since they didn’t make me make a profit, since the economies aren’t growing anymore, they are guilty of not respecting the automatic god of money always having to increase no matter what, they must be punished, especially the weaker classes (but they never say that home prices should crash, maybe then economic activity could get a small boost, but they never say this because their real goal is the profits, is the gain no matter what and in order to get this home prices must always go up no matter what, in the USA home prices increasing again is a good sign, they are never looking at the normal worker who has to pay more for a basic need, they just look at the generalized imaginary good, the moral good of their profits and investments creating a return and such, economies are doing “good” when “home prices increase” and such)), if things aren’t constantly going up, someone is being bad, is not behaving, is not “competitive” enough, or “productive” enough and such.
    On the one hand the economists and investors chant that unemployment is bad (since it doens’t imply new consumers, more economic growth) but on the other hand they also chant that China is losing 3 million workers a year for their demography (with 100s of millions of workers they can’t compensate ? totally insane), Europe is losing millions of workers for age reasons too and such, but if Europe has so much unemployment wouldn’t that be good news ? maybe some of the unemployed can finally get employed ? (as usual intractable contradictory forces that lead nowhere but try to hide the real agenda: profits must be made no matter what, like the currency values, if the EURO is too high Europe can’t export, but if it is too low, Europe pays more for oil and such, contradictory forces, if you gain on one side, you lose on the other and so forth). But obviously, the reasons why none of this really makes any sense is because the model of growth forever and the idea of profits forever makes everything look wrong and such.
    It is incredible that there are still 100 million poeple working in the USA, incredible, how can you possibly expect more “Employment” or more “Growth” than this ? totally absurd expectations especially if you consider what is being produced (and that is within a Technological Economy having economies of scale, networks, highways, computers and automation and scientific know how and such that should amplify production by the boatloads!) and that is : NOTHING AT ALL, office politics, status games, winners and losers, nothing that is becoming serialized or accumulating; but the categories of the economists are always in terms of aggregations and accumulations of result, big numbers where everything is added up: well if you add up 100 million people a day then that means a billion man hours of “work” of “effort” a day: wow, and what has been produced ? what has been created ? why don’t they serialize that ? why don’t they accumulate that number ? because if they were to serialize and accumulate that number and then look at the result it would become apparent that no one is doing jack shit by a long run ! the real measure of “Productivity” should be minus a billion man hours a day of economic wealth and production NOT ACHIEVED, with all of that time and “effort” you could go to mars a million times, produce a trillion skyscrapers, do anything on earth if all of that effort was serialized, accumulated for a common goals and such instead of petty fighting between each other, each trying to get an upper hand, a gain, since profit in the end is only a gain a person gets by robbing it from someone else, the entire idea of profit is to disrupt things, create instabilities, imbalances between people, power imbalances, companies, markets and grab an advantage and such, there is nothing morally deep about proifts and growth or anything, there really is very little common wealth accumulated by all of this.
    But, as usual, the idea goes back to socialism and such, if there is no profit or gain, if I can’t get more than you there is no incentive to do anything, we all become equal and equally inactive and poor and such: so we all need inequalities and disruptions and instabilities, fights, economic fights, corporate competitions, people and companies and systems and countries competing bewteen each other (to grab “market share”) and so forth, and all kinds of changes for changes sake to create the possiblity to grab some more against someone else, to make a gain against something else and so forth.
    But in the end, none of this will ever change, the game is this no matter what, JHK keeps on hoping that things can change, that energy will be a limit and so forth: nothing further from the truth, the system will keep on chugging along no matter what, the system has brainwashed everyone that this is the only possible way to go, there is really no alternative, either this growth and profits and debts model or nothing else, all else is doomed and such.
    And in all truth, the entire “economic crisis” is just a make believe crisis, the “fiscal cliff” and such, all fake imaginary emergencies, all fake problems, in all truth, the system is completely stable, rock solid, won’t change an inch, hasn’t changed an inch, those little disruptions of the “crisis” are invisible in the larger scheme of things, the system cannot change unless governments and economists and politicians start to completely change their Economic Ideology and the Standard Economic Model: such as to hose the entire idea of profits and investments and debts and give out free salaries, cheap rents and huge public – private projects and so forth, skyscrapers rockets and such: will this ever happen ? no, the investors and economists and politicians will always blame something or someone or the workers as being guilty for not making them make more profits, for not making the economy grow, they all need “new training” and “more education” (no one ever asks to do what ! totally stupid ideas everyone repeats), we need more “Productivity” (another totally stupid idea that means more output with fewer workers, so fewer workers will make the economy grow ?) and so forth, more competition, more innovation and research and so forth: there is no amount of research and innovation that will make money grow automatically for no reason at all, but they will force it to grow anyways through abstract, vague and intractable financial magic all the “mathematicians and researchers” dream up in the “research” and “innovation” and such).
    THE APE ROBOT

  239. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 7:56 am #

    Concerning the Ebonics and underachievement of US-born blacks –
    Something has gone terribly awry since those hopeful days of the Civil Rights Act. And, yeah Janos, affirmative action is now part of the problem. (Maybe? it was a good idea for a fixed period of time – but here we are 50 years on, and AA shows no sign of ever ending.
    And the Grievance Coalition and Black Tribalism deserve most of the rest of the blame. Look at the ridiculous histrionics surrounding the Martin/Zimmerman fight/tragedy. Look at how the dead ex-cop Dorner was being cheered on via twitter as retribution for drunk driver RODNEY KING – which incident occurred 22 YEARS ago.
    Can a whole race of people inside a country become infected with Histrionic Personality Disorder? Sometimes it looks that way.
    Bless their hearts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
    “HPD lies in the dramatic cluster of personality disorders.[3] People with HPD have a high need for attention, make loud and inappropriate appearances, exaggerate their behaviors and emotions, and crave stimulation.[3] They may exhibit sexually provocative behavior, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and can be easily influenced by others. Associated features include egocentrism, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, and persistent manipulative behavior to achieve their own needs.” -wiki-

  240. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 7:59 am #

    In other news, 8M, you need to work on this project for humans.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4793208/sea-slug-can-detach-regrow-and-reuse-its-penis.html
    Sounds like a much more worthwhile, and survivable, idea – than shoving a V-8 engine in the brain.

  241. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Why are you so mean-spirited? You sure are a thorny rose. It’s you and your friends here who are no “good” at verbal games. With few exceptions, you are a platoon of dullards, repeating the same tropes over and over again, ad nauseum. And the sad part is, you think you are doing something worthwhile. Echo chambers have little value, if any. In fact, an argument can be made they (echo chambers) are detrimental to your mental and emotional health, and you are living proof of the verity of that theory. You need to get out and about more, and intermingle. Open yourself to the diverse universe that surrounds us all. Let the light in, but also, don’t be afraid to embrace the darkness. Yes, every rose has its thorns, but don’t let your plentiful thorns obscure the potential beauty you have to offer.

  242. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 9:21 am #

    You explained that the picture of Al was not removed from the building but the above sentence could certainly be interpreted otherwise. At a minimum it is misleading. How about “found” rather than “recovered?”
    ==========
    I have revised. It now reads as follows:
    The picture of Al was reoriented to its rightful place.
    ————————————-
    You wrote, “I’m pleasantly surprised because the worst, or nothing even closely resembling it, rarely manifests.
    The bolded word needs to be either “anything” or “something.”

    ===========
    Agree. The change has been made to “anything.”
    —————————————
    You wrote, “we may have caught incontinence.” I like this line although I’m guessing only a minority of readers would “get it.” My mother died at age 84 in a Florida nursing home of Alzheimer’s. On entering the facility one was nearly bowled over by the stench of urine. Your line above implies facetiously that the inability to hold one’s water (incontinence) is a communicable disease if one is around it too long.
    ===========
    You are most likely correct. Sad, but true. But for those who do, like yourself, it’s a nice treat.
    —————————————-
    In the penultimate paragraph you enumerate the following: “where he keeps chains, whips, lots of leather and ball gags and the Gimp.” In the last paragraph you use nearly identical language leaving out only “lots of leather.” To me, repeating a list [nearly] verbatim is tiresome and it would have been better in that last paragraph to say “escape the possibility of his hideaway with its awful implements of torture” or some such.
    ===========
    Agree. I have revised as follows:
    I don’t think the security guard has my address, and if so, once we’re through those doors, I, nay we, escape the possibility of his hideaway with its hellish cache of torturous implements.
    —————————————-
    “they wear the funny hat that look likes an inverted Dixie cup”
    looks like

    ============
    Agree. The change has been made.
    —————————————–
    Final comment: You implied on last weeks thread that your story would continue but you really didn’t know in what direction… and that the direction would result from following “your muse.” It was hard for me to imagine that a novel could be written without a pretty firm advance idea of its direction…beginning, middle and end. Now, in responding to my earlier critique you indicate you know full well where this story is headed. This makes a lot more sense to me.
    ===========
    I can see why you would think that. You have an analytic mind, and therefore an analytic perspective that predominates your thinking. Therefore, it makes more sense to you to write a novel with a firm blueprint in hand, but that’s not always how it works, nor is it necessarily how it should work. For some, it works well that way, for others it’s something that grows and evolves from a small kernel of an idea. That’s what is happening with this novel in process. It is evolving from a spec. As I feed it, it feeds me. The muse comes alive, and ultimately guides me to completion. My muse is here now. Keeping it is the challenge. The muse does not lend itself to capture, so one must be careful not to attempt to corner or contain it. It must be nurtured and respected, and if you do it right, if you walk that tightrope skillfully enough, the reciprocal reward from the muse is gratifying and well worth it.

  243. ozone February 13, 2013 at 9:59 am #

    When JHK wrote the following,
    “Not since the Civil War (1861 – 65) has anything bad of this scale happened within the United States itself and the public is unprepared despite our total immersion in the on-screen ersatz heroics of avatars such as Dwayne Johnson.”
    …I wasn’t sure who he was referring to, but I finally looked up Mr. Johnson’s profile. (Wrestler/Actor)
    THEN, in a very strange co-winkadink (writing about all things “iconic” fading faster than the dinosaurs), in the very same week, Dwayne is no more… either! Weird.
    http://dwayne.johnson.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/actor_new_zealand.php
    Could it be true? It’s so recent, we’ll have to look for some confirmation.

  244. shecky February 13, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    “No, I meant base as in morally low, dishonorable, meanspirited, etc. You see, Shecky, bass, being fish, cannot talk. ;-)”
    then please explain this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmjOkeS9Azo

  245. ozone February 13, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    Holy Shit!!
    Is that MAGIC, or some highly necessary application of advanced technologies?
    (It’s a perfect example of “the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the world” [tm JHK]. I wonder how many of those were made, or are BEING manufactured as we speak?)

  246. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    It’s yet another Dwayne Johnson avatar. May he, and his avatars, rest in peace. This statement was not meant to debass his image.

  247. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 11:15 am #

    An Example of the Fruits of Big Government
    An actual letter to the passport office…
    Dear Sirs,
    I’m in the process of renewing my passport, and still cannot believe this. How is it that Radio Shack has my address and telephone number and knows that I bought a cable T.V. from them back in 1987, and yet, the Federal Government is still asking me where I was born and on what date.
    For Christ sakes, do you guys do this by hand? My birth date you have on my social security card, and it is on all the income tax forms I’ve filed for the past 30 years. It is on my health insurance card, my driver’s license, on the last eight damn passports I’ve had, on all those stupid customs declaration forms I’ve had to fill out before being allowed off the plane over the last 30 years, and all those insufferable census forms that are done at election times. Would somebody please take note, once and for all, that my mother’s name is Maryanne, my father’s name is Robert and I’d be absolutely astounded if that ever changed between now and when I die!!!!!! I apologize, I’m really pissed off this morning. Between you an’ me, I’ve had enough of this bullshit! You send the application to my house, then you ask me for my address? What is going on? Do you have a gang of Neanderthal asses working there!
    Look at my damn picture. Do I look like Bin Laden? I don’t want to dig upYasser Arafat, I just want to go and park my ass on a sandy beach. And would someone please tell me, why would you care whether I plan on visiting a farm in the next 15 days? If I ever got the urge to do something weird to a chicken or a goat, believe you me, I’d sure as hell not want to tell anyone!
    Well, I have to go now, ’cause I have to go to the other end of the city and get another copy of my birth certificate, to the tune of $60. Would it be so complicated to have all the services in the same spot to assist in the issuance of a new passport the same day?? Nooooo, that’d be too damn easy and maybe make sense. You’d rather have us running all over the place like chickens with our heads cut off, then find some idiot to confirm that it’s really me on the damn picture – you know, the one where we’re not allowed to smile?! (bureaucratic morons) Hey, you know why we can’t smile? We’re totally pissed off!
    Signed – An Irate Citizen. P.S…
    Remember
    What I said above about the picture and getting someone to confirm that it’s me? Well, my family has been in this country since 1776 ……..I have served in the military for something over 30 years and have had security clearances up the ying yang……….However, I have to get someone ‘important’ to verify who I am – you know, someone like my doctor WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN INDIA !
    Sincerely, You Sure In The Hell Should Know Who I Am.
    …………..And you want to run our health care system?!?
    As Margaret Thatcher once said “Socialism is GREAT – UNTIL you run out of other people’s money”.

  248. ozone February 13, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    Ha!
    The response of “the deceased” to the story is pretty good.
    “I would love to meet the person who is starting rumors of my death – to show them how a dead foot feels up their a**,” he just tweeted. -From a site called Gossip Cop

  249. Eleuthero5 February 13, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Goofy said:
    With few exceptions, you are a platoon of dullards, repeating the same tropes over and over again, ad nauseum. And the sad part is, you think you are doing something worthwhile. Echo chambers have little value, if any. In fact, an argument can be made they (echo chambers) are detrimental to your mental and emotional health, and you are living proof of the verity of that theory. You need to get out and about more, and intermingle.
    ************************************************************
    And this is about your fiftieth post where you remind us how “dull” we are. You are the very “dullard” that you criticize. How do you figure we think we’re “doing something worthwhile” here? I think most of us actually know this is a blog and we’re not changing the world writing here. You extrapolate that none of us have lives but I submit YOU have no life.
    I volunteer at a food bank, published a book, educated 10,000 people well, play chess at an expert level (not quite master), and I have a wide circle of friends who I cafe bum with almost daily. Why don’t you open up and tell us what you’ve done with your life so we can shoot at you, too. You love being a sniper but don’t ever risk being a SNIPEE.
    E.

  250. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    his hideaway with its hellish cache of torturous implements.
    ===========
    I like it. Your words are richer than those I suggested off the cuff though the meaning is the same.
    One aside… and I am not suggesting at all that any change should be made:
    I would bet that half the people reading the above sentence and sounding out the words in their heads will pronounce cache as ka-SHAY. During the Iraq war I recall groaning audibly when a 3-star general told a reporter that they had captured a large ka-SHAY of weapons.

  251. Eleuthero5 February 13, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    Hilarious letter, Q.!!! Indeed, we live in a distributed database, high tech world where they have every relevant fact about your life stored in duplicated databases. I’m about ready to tell ’em that my name is Sheik Yerbouti and please send me all your petrodollars.
    E.

  252. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    I don’t want to dig upYasser Arafat, I just want to go and park my ass on a sandy beach.
    ==============
    There should be a space between “up” and “Yasser.”
    So, you were a Socialist for thirty years? The military is a Socialist organization, and if you were a part of it, you were a Socialist. I’m with you if you want to end the largest “entitlement” program in the history of civilization. The military is a vampire squid, sucking the lifeblood out of the planet. It’s the elephant in the room, not the defenseless illegal immigrants. But, bullies always look for easy targets to flagellate, and this is no different.

  253. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    I volunteer at a food bank, published a book, educated 10,000 people well, play chess at an expert level (not quite master), and I have a wide circle of friends who I cafe bum with almost daily.
    ==============
    I neither know nor care who you are; I shall leave all such speculation to others.

  254. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    It is evolving from a spec. As I feed it, it feeds me. The muse comes alive, and ultimately guides me to completion. My muse is here now. Keeping it is the challenge. The muse does not lend itself to capture, so one must be careful not to attempt to corner or contain it. It must be nurtured and respected, and if you do it right, if you walk that tightrope skillfully enough, the reciprocal reward from the muse is gratifying and well worth it.
    ==========
    Here is the dictionary definition of muse:
    As a verb, to muse is to consider something thoughtfully. As a noun, it means a person — especially a woman — who is a source of artistic inspiration.
    The muse YOU speak of, I gather, is a spirit-like inspiration. It has no substance but is no less real. And you have ways of keeping a draft from blowing out this candle.
    Beside the traditional female “company” that inspire starving artists (presumably by regularly discharging the artist’s distracting sexual tensions so they can concentrate and get something done: writing, painting, sculpting, etc.) the other kind of muse would be, I guess, booze or pot, etc. that can aid insight that one might otherwise not have.

  255. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    There should be a space between “up” and “Yasser.”
    ==============
    I think you misunderstand, I did not write the letter to the Passport Office. It was sent to me by a friend who sends me jokes and such every day. This person knows me well and knew I would appreciate a perfect example of BIG GOVT and its inefficiencies.

  256. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    Why take that tack? Isn’t it more reasonable to assume that’s just the way Blacks are? That’s what the old Southerners said – and they’re batting 100% in their predictions of the horrors that would accrue from Civil Rights.
    Again, you are stuck in the blank slate/environmentalist trap. Nothing comes into this world as a blank slate. Even blank slates are composed of a certain material and have certain properties and stress levels. Just like certain breeds of dogs are more excitable and less teacheable, Blacks have a certain general nature which has been noted by White men all the way back to Classical Rome and Egypt. The Arabs say the same thing. As do your Ancestors. Hasn’t the time for Truth come at last?

  257. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    Chris Dorner was just a Black Man in the wrong place at the wrong time. He died for our sins and from our sins. Cops were heard yelling, “Burn the mother down.”
    He wasn’t Django, but certainly a forerunner.

  258. ComradeDystopia February 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    Hey O2Pete what the hell did you do to piss off Buckstud?
    This is hard country, CFNation. You need thick skin to dwell here. You have thick skin.
    People on the hard right (Vlad) and the hard left (Buck) don’t like you. That leaves you somewhere in the sane middle, which isn’t a bad place yo be.
    Well, the verdict is in, and it is unanimous. Every host on MSNBC, as well as every democratic congressman and Senator in Connecticut, say last nights SOTU speech was the most visionary, far reaching, wise … the greatest speech ever made. i didn’t see it so I’ll have to take their word.
    ==ComradeDytopia

  259. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    I did misunderstand. It was misleading. Nowhere did you state the words were not your own until this follow-up post.

  260. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    Yes, the muse can be all that, and more. Or, it’s just a literary device employed to embellish the concept of inspiration. Or, it could be both. That which we manifest is before us.

  261. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

    Well, the verdict is in, and it is unanimous. Every host on MSNBC, as well as every democratic congressman and Senator in Connecticut, say last nights SOTU speech was the most visionary, far reaching, wise … the greatest speech ever made. i didn’t see it so I’ll have to take their word.
    ============
    In otherwords, the same reaction so-called “conservatives” had to the Chrysler Superblow commercial where Paul Harvey sanctifies farmers. Each side of the coin is so easily manipulated. And, each side is thoroughly convinced it’s the right side. Neither side is the right side. It’s a coin, and it has an owner, and that owner perpetually flips that coin, and EVERYTIME, it’s tails you lose, and heads, the owner of the coin wins.

  262. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    You need to get out and about more, and intermingle.
    ==========
    Since you are a person here specifically to practice and exercise your writing skills, not just to lament dwindling resources, the invasion of swarthy hordes, and the end of civilization as we know it, it gives ME an opportunity to speak with a kindred spirit who might actually be glad to know, unlike most here, that they’ve written then when they mean than.
    And you have probably read The Elements of Style by Strunk and White wherein would-be writers are admonished to include no unnecessary paragraph, no unnecessary sentence, and no unnecessary word. (See there, I wrote “no unnecessary” three times when once would have been sufficient but sometimes repetition is good for emphasis.)
    Well, I would take S&W’s advice one step farther. Don’t use an extra syllable that adds nothing to meaning or nuance.
    Accordingly, why not just say “…get out and about more, and mingle?”

  263. MADMAX February 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Obama’s State of the Union speech last night was a cafeteria buffet of liberal-speak platitudes, with a lot of “Let’s just do it” redundant slogans, and few if any real declarations of what he WILL do. There is no real plan to rebuild an ailing economy, because as JHK has aptly and eloquently outlined, the “leaders” of Washington’s power elite, including and especially Obama and his cronies, have no real understanding of what is wrong with our society. And of course, the predictable Republican response was equally clueless. The national so-called “main-stream media”, are little more than a fawning band of wind-up cheerleaders, who clap and whistle on cue, rather like a bunch of trained seals. Throw them a fish and they will continue. I consider J.H. Kunstler to be no less than a prophet; he is spot-on in his analysis of this country’s problems, as well as the sewer of international power-grabbing and financial shell games. I can only echo what JHK has just predicted: reality is approaching our delusional fantasy-society like an enormous asteroid; it will kill a lot of people and leave most of the survivors in a long period of fear, depression and danger. It will take a long time to recover as a viable, rational nation, if we ever do. I think the United States may break up into smaller regional states, as did the old Soviet Union. There may be a natural size limit to Democratic Republics, where it becomes impossible to have a rational society working in harmony after exceeding a certain size.

  264. daofirry2 February 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    hello, here is a little preview of the conditions that will prevail in our entire society, a few years from now. The only difference is, we won’t have anywhere to dock, and there will be no way to get off the ship. Ever.
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/travel/cruise-ship-fire/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

  265. Rhino February 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    IMO speech patterns are ingrained. You can’t leave them behind. Maybe you can try but then you sound phony. I’ve had business meetings with guys from Noo Yawk. Interesting lingos. A nominal egg = an arm and a leg. I remember one guy that sounded like Arnold Horshack. How you sound depends on where your muddah and faddah raised you. When you open your mouth you betray your origins.
    BTW I watched the State of the Union speech. By my count there were 70 applause interruptions 40 of which were standing ovations. It took about an hour. If they would shut up and let the man speak and then applaud when he’s done you could probably knock off 20 minutes. The last one I watched was probably in the 1980s. So I didn’t know what to expect.
    Thankfully not much hope and change or yes we can type stuff. Though they did drag in that 102 year old lady that spent 6 hours in line waiting to vote. And Gabby Giffords and the parents of that girl that got shot in Chicago. But there wasn’t much meat there IMO about the state of the union. Why are the voting lines so long? I mean six hours? Not enough voting booths?

  266. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    A valid point, but I will say one thing, or maybe two or three, about S&W’s advice. There is also the consideration of rhythm and cadence. An overuse of extra syllables can bog things down and make the rhythm and cadence stutter and start, but conversely, a dearth of extra syllables can give the flow a simplistic, unsophisticated rapidity, i.e. the Dick and Jane basal reader series written by William S. Gray and Zerna Sharp. In otherwords, extra syllables shouldn’t be anathema, but rather, used strategically and in moderation to enhance the flow. The same holds for aphorisms and metaphor, meaning they shouldn’t be anathema, but instead, used adroitly and moderately to convey greater meaning and clarity without reinventing the wheel.

  267. ComradeDystopia February 13, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    Holy Shit. Carol!
    I wonder if Hemingway or Kerouac (or my newfound Hamlin Garland) postulated on writing like that?
    Or did they just go ahead and write? Hemingway nor Kerouac had a college degree, so they probably wouldn’t know what the hell you were talking about.
    ==CD

  268. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    IMO speech patterns are ingrained. You can’t leave them behind. Maybe you can try but then you sound phony. I’ve had business meetings with guys from Noo Yawk.
    ==========
    What you’re talking about here are regional accents/dialects. Where I came from a creek was a crick, the Philadelphia Eagles were the Igulls, and when your hands were dirty you warshed them. Once I was accused of having an accent – who? me? I don’t have any accent – and heard with revulsion my own recorded voice I began to work on it.
    But here’s the difference about Black folk. No matter what regional dialect may influence their speech you will be able to identify them sight unseen as Black vs a White who lives down the block from them in the same region.
    You understand, of course, what I am saying is not universal… but astonishingly close to it.

  269. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    A valid point, but I will say one thing, or maybe two or three, about S&W’s advice.
    =========
    I will grant everything you say but jess lemme axt ya, wasn’t mingle a better word to use in that sentence?
    Have you ever had fiction, non-fiction, memoir, etc. published and been paid for it?
    Have you ever attended a writers work shop for a full semester or more?

  270. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    I will grant everything you say but jess lemme axt ya, wasn’t mingle a better word to use in that sentence?
    ===========
    It’s a toss-up. If I were adding words after intermingle, I think mingle would make for better rhythm and cadence.
    get out and about more, and mingle with the unappreciated lumpenproletariat.
    Since the original sentence ends with intermingle, I like the lingering effect of the extra syllables.
    The answer is no to your last two questions. I have no interest or intention of doing so, either. For precisely the sentiment CD indicates.

  271. Kyooshtik February 13, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    Or did they just go ahead and write?
    ==========
    If you want a detailed view what a great writer goes through to hone his/her skills and get a book published, read the Biography of David Foster Wallace by D.T. Max.
    The greats with little formal education, like Charles Dickens, are rare.

  272. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    No unnecessary words? Not even beautiful ones? There goes alot of literature. Look at the stuff Buck loves, like Ruskin, very verbose but it is very good. I also appreciate the hard style of Hemingway and the moderns, but it is not the only style.
    Are you sure Strunk and White (Jews?) were talking about just clarity per se or Literature too. Certainly for the former, brevity is the soul of it. Military Men have been promoted on the brevity and clarity of their dispatches from the field to their C.Os.

  273. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    Hold on! Cut the Chariots of Fire theme music! Something’s not right with this metaphor. It’s Steve. He doesn’t fit it, quite literally, or more appropriately, the metaphor doesn’t fit him. Sure, Tom and I from a distance, fully clothed, could pass for Olympians, at least in the Curling competition. But Steve? It’s not happening. There’s not one single word that can describe his appearance, but several will help paint this prodigious picture. Gelatinous. Rotund. A massive, shapeless enormity. That’s right, Steve’s FAT. I know, I know, we’re not supposed to say anything about fat people. It’s now a disease, like everything else. NO, it’s not!! I don’t accept that politically correct nonsense. Obesity is not a disease. In fact, let’s drop the euphemism obese, and call it what it is. It’s fat. They’re fat. And, they’re fat because they have chosen to be fat. They’re fat because they’re too lazy to address their gelatin.
    It would be somewhat forgivable, and some mercy would be tendered, if Steve were not such a vituperative curmudgeon. His blunt, brash, pugilistic contrarianism hubris coupled with his unsightly and unhealthy physical dimensions condemn him to double jeopardy without the protection of the fifth amendment.
    It’s difficult now to imagine what he once looked like. It’s a complete transformation. He was, once upon a time, a handsome lad at six feet two, one hundred eighty-five pounds with thick, full brown hair and Aryan blue eyes. It’s amazing what thirty years of negligence, supplemented heavily with stress and high-fructose corn syrup, can do. Steve, amongst other things, is a paean to the insidiousness that is Corporatism. Unlike obesity, Corporatism is a disease. A scourge. A pox upon this house. Steve is the end result of a life of servitude to his lord and master, the Corporation. It gave him high blood pressure. It gave him Type II diabetes. It gave him Hodgkin’s lymphoma . It took his gall bladder. It took his health. It sucked every last drop of lifeblood from him and destroyed his soul. And still, he worships it daily. He now resides in Bentonville, Arkansas, the Mecca of Corporatism, and is in the employ of the Grand Ayatollah of corporations, Wal-Mart. No doubt, they’ve taken out a Dead Peasant policy on him. But hey, it was all worth it. He’s raised three children that would make the leaders of the Third Reich brim with pride and envy. The perfect Aryans, in both appearance and character. He whipped them into shape early on. Sports and good grades were mandatory. Any form of rebellion was out of the question, and was not tolerated. He went three for three. All three are dutiful soldiers. Complete obeisance. No critical thought. Onward they march. Their father perfected in them what he wanted most for himself, but fortunately, Mom and Dad weren’t up to the task, or else, I would be brimming with pride and envy at his children just like Hitler, Himmler, Göring and Goebbels are from their graves.
    With each additional pound, Steve has lost an equivalent measure of his masculine essence. And, the same holds true for overweight women. Each extra pound beyond optimal weight inversely correlates with the magnitude of feminine essence. Fat people, despite their gender, lose their sexually defining features and appear asexual. Oddly enough, this has resulted in Steve closely resembling our oldest sister, Joanne. She’s also fat. Very fat, just like Steve. In fact, so fat, she had the trendy lap-band surgery performed on her to help her lose weight because she couldn’t do it without the intervention of the surgeon’s scalpel. She has succeeded in real estate, but gelatin is just too formidable a foe. I will give credit where it is due. The surgery has resulted in her losing approximately eight pounds. Only one hundred and fifty to go. Woo Hoo!! The issue of their weight is off the table, by the way. It’s a taboo topic. Isn’t that convenient. By precluding criticism, as constructive as it may be, they can ignore their inadequacy. I guess most people do the same thing with their own ignored pet issues, me included. Who cares, anyway? Not me. Not anymore.

  274. Buck's A Stud February 13, 2013 at 5:48 pm #

    I agree with you, although as Q mentions, most authorities do recommend austerity of prose. The reason being, or so I suspect, is more about the capability of the current crop of readers than anything else. ( “Don’t lose your readers is the incessant mantra which might make the consideration one of sales and marketability just as much as aesthetics?) For example, even Mark Twain is a difficult read for a lot of readers these days. Moreover, Q’s hard and fast rule regarding bare-bone efficiency misses the point when it comes to composition: a good writer incorporates superfluity as foil to feature the essential…conversely as well . In other words, it can be done as method to feature a “focal point”. Austerity enveloped by opulence stands out by contrast; ditto for minute detailing in the midst of “the generalized”. Same thing for pace of which Dickens is quite master. A preceding paragraph meanders along like a lazy stream in August and then BOOM – it’s the world’s fastest man heading to the finish line at the start of the next paragraph.
    To what end, as the wise man said…

  275. AMR February 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    “Why are the voting lines so long? I mean six hours? Not enough voting booths?”
    Excellent question. What Obama omitted was that these voting difficulties are a huge problem in certain states, e.g. Florida, where that old lady lives, but not a problem at all in others. Oregon conducts all its voting by absentee ballots that voters may mail back to their county elections offices or leave in drop boxes. California has a permanent absentee balloting option, which I use, available for the asking. Many states, including Pennsylvania, where I used to live, only provide absentee ballots upon approval of an application claiming infirmity, anticipated absence from the jurisdiction at the time of the election in question, or some other inability to appear in person at the polls on election day.
    The sick truth is that some states are run by officials whose goal is to disenfranchise their political opponents and consequently refuse to learn from states such as Oregon and California that run free, fair and smooth elections. As disappointed as I was by the State of the Union this year, I think Obama did a very effective job of presenting that old lady’s election day story. At first I thought he shouldn’t have been so subtle about the underlying problems with the electoral system in many states, but in retrospect I think his framing was very savvy. He made the Republicans look absolutely terrible when they refused to clap.

  276. Carol Newquist February 13, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    A stool sample would be more insightful than the platitudinal propaganda that’s proffered under the guise of the State of the Union Address. Thank Wilson for this pomp. Jefferson broke the custom set by Washington and Adams and instead of reciting a speech before Congress, had a written account delivered to same. That written tradition continued for approximately one hundred years until the first truly imperial president, Wilson, turned it into a pretentious pageant. And here we are. I haven’t given one the time of day in quite some time. It was always ridiculously transparent. These jerks are liars. We know it’s true. Their words cannot be trusted, and this venue should shunned. They won’t end it, but we can, by just not paying it any attention. It’s what they do, not what they say. Every SOTUA from here on out should be a tweet that says simply….
    We’re staying the course, come hell, or high water, or both, and regardless of whatever else is thrown our way.

  277. ozone February 13, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

    M.,
    Dunno; perhaps he’s fond of colorful frauds. [shrug] Machts nicht.
    *****************************
    Well, hell, if’n the mass propaga… er, sorry, I mean, MEDIA machine is opining that the SOTU is the most laudable speechifyin’ ever spewed, who am I to argue, eh? Interestingly enough, this very JHK column has appeared on Information Clearinghouse today. Read in (or out) what you will.
    **************************
    Regarding what Q. and Carol are a’speculatin’ on, the best of S&W’s advice is: squeeze, don’t jerk; both eyes open; pumpkin on a post; in an exchange of fire, keep moving and just use the front sight to put your shots to general body mass.

  278. ozone February 13, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    I did not know that. (Written vs. oral.)
    And your final sentence about says what we know they’re thinking! (They might add, “Hooray for me and fuck you!”, but that’s just a bit tawdry for a fine Kri’shan nayshun that don’t like ‘at kinda tawk.)

  279. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    “These jerks are liars. We know it’s true. Their words cannot be trusted, and this venue should “BE” (sic) shunned. ..(snip)… It’s what they do, not what they say. Every SOTUA from here on out should be a tweet that says simply….
    We’re staying the course, come hell, or high water, or both, and regardless of whatever else is thrown our way.” -“carol n”
    Extraordinarily well said, Carol!
    ================
    Now – if you want to be a writer, you’ve got to learn to argue persuasively with an editor, so let’s consider the part with which I disagree.
    “They won’t end it, but we can, by just not paying it any attention.” -cn-
    I hear that a lot, with respect to participation in politics AND economic activity. And I don’t believe non-participation will work, not to cause any positive change, AT ALL. (And here, I begin to revisit an argument that I had with Bean Town Bill.)
    The political “pageant” goes majestically on, even though we have only +/-40% of the population voting for POTUS, these days, on average.
    If the percentage dropped to 30%, 20%, maybe even 10% or LESS – I don’t see how it would matter to the political process, as it impacts reality or real life – for the average person in the US of A.
    And – not watching or caring about the SOTUA??
    BAH! No one in power will care. Those jackasses will just do what they want to do to us.
    We need something else.
    Any suggestions?
    Anyone?
    http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=crickets
    And thanks, O3, nice sound website!

  280. myrtlemay February 13, 2013 at 8:40 pm #

    I did see the episode of Jeopardy and was amazed that the black (lower case ‘b’ – what’s up with the upper case?) kid won. I’ll admit I had a bit of a prejudice of his appearance. Who wears a ‘fro in 2013? But damn, that kid was smart. And he spoke standard English.
    You spoke of class in speaking English – most particularly that of upper middle class and upper class blacks not speaking proper English when in their own company. Well, I’ve had some experience dealing with that. In professional settings, many blacks with whom I’ve worked and played, get real “ghetto” in small group conversations. It kind of hurts my ears, as though they are playing a part of some image they’re supposed to have, or – worse – don’t really use standard English when “conversating”…..this is a word?

  281. myrtlemay February 13, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

    Pro,
    For you and others, Fred has a good spiel on immigration if you want to tune in to his website. Some thought-provoking musings – made me think of you as I read it! Highly recommended 😀

  282. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 8:52 pm #

    “In professional settings, many blacks with whom I’ve worked and played, get real “ghetto” in small group conversations.” -mm-
    Yeah, I’ve had a lot of experience with that myself, MMay. And it’s “tribalism,” pure and simple.
    Someone posted that the “bargain” of the Civil Rights Act was that blacks and whites would compromise and meet in the middle.
    I though that bargain would work. It has failed.
    And the native born population of US blacks, whether upper, middle, or lower class – can retreat into an easy tribalism, in the face of this failed bargain.
    What whites are supposed to do, I do not know – but Jaego/Vlad/Janos’ repeated calls for “white tribalism” are not an answer. Not yet, anyway.

  283. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    thoughT
    thoughT
    thoughT
    I’ve been hording consonants, lately.
    Along with hording Mormon food, gold, silver, lead, brass, farming and survival supplies, agreeable neighbors, agreeable family members, and knowledge.
    Zombie Apocalypse – and all that, you know?

  284. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

    It is a good Fred.
    I made a partial response to it on the CFN thread, yesterday.
    Take a look at what I said.
    I’d like to hear your input.

  285. myrtlemay February 13, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

    BTW, whoever killed Asoka, a belated “Thanks”, and premature, “Happy Valentine’s Day”, ya big sweetheart!
    Speaking of Valentine’s Day, I happened by my neighborhood’s local convenience store (locally owned and operated!) to purchase a bottle of Merlot ($15.00 a bottle bargain!) and some bread to find a lovely array of roses at the counter. The proprieter, a Pakistani, rang up my purchase and gave me the total, which was just under $20.00. I admired the beautiful roses and he asked me, in his Pakistani accent, “Would you like one?”
    I replied, “Yes, they’re beautiful, you must be planning to sell quite a bit of them!”
    He said, “Yes, although it’s still a day early.”
    He placed the rose in my bag, along with the wine and bread, and said, that’ll be $24.53″.
    I gave him a quizzical look and said, “You know, Jerry, I’ve been buying this same brand of wine and bread for the past few months and the total has always been under $20.00. What gives? Have your prices suddenly gone up?”
    And he said, “No, the prices are the same, but you bought the rose.”
    Whereby I gave him an even more confused look and said, trying to look as innocent as can be, “Why Jerry! I thought YOU bought that rose for ME!”
    Long story short – I still had to pay for my own rose!

  286. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    FREAK!
    “I’ve been hording consonants, lately.
    Along with hording Mormon food,…”
    -p4c-
    What the hell kind of word is “hording?”
    Why does the JHK spellcheck accept “hording?”
    It’s a conspiracy, man!!
    Now, I’m hoArding vowels, too.

  287. Janos Skorenzy February 13, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    f

  288. progress4conserving February 13, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    “f”
    What the F is this “f” for, Janos????????
    K/Q has already asked, once.

  289. Janos Skorenzy February 14, 2013 at 1:02 am #

    It is just a way to see new posts. For some reason, my computer doesn’t usually register them unless I post or until I have to sign in again.
    Now look, by the time you think Whites are in danger it will be too late to do anything. Just like any other kind of prepping, better years too early than a minute too late. No prep is possible once the crisis is upon us. It is already a serious situation. Whites were 30% of the World at the begining of the 20th century. But we are only about 8% now – with our rate of reproduction below replacement. And our Nations are now hosts to fast producing minorities who do so with our resources.
    When would you like us to begin to start the monumental task of surviving as a People? Why don’t you just admit that you don’t care? After all, everyone is just people. A few White Nations might make it if the Collapse happens soon and completely. Ireland, Iceland, Finland, Montana and Wymoming might be saved by the bell – but not thru any heroic action or awareness. Thus they would be left open to further disaster unless they changed their philsophies.
    Orcs are massing with one intent: to destroy the World of White Men. Muslims as experienced conquerors will at least not go for genocide, only cultural destruction and assimilation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AOChPF21Wlk

  290. Ixnei February 14, 2013 at 2:50 am #

    Damn, all U’s sockpuppets jumped on the bandwagon!!! Nothing but immigration and racism. Y’allz patting each utha on da back gets dull, guys…
    PCR rolled a nice one, 2/11/13… Not to get down on our blog master, who had some nice sh! (tr00f) to say about the Fed majikal printing press, banksters leveraging that 0% loan 30::1, same banksters loaning back 100-300+% to the Govt (*NOT* the Fed) at 3% (gee, the taxpayers make up that difference?), and said-same banksters taking the other 2,700% to the Stock Market *CASINO*…

  291. Ixnei February 14, 2013 at 2:50 am #

    Oh yeah, and a fsck’n *HAT*…

  292. Janos Skorenzy February 14, 2013 at 3:06 am #

    d

  293. Janos Skorenzy February 14, 2013 at 3:10 am #

    South Asians are the least chivalric people of all. We could learn something from that and we should. Why not expect your gynecologist to buy you a diamond?

  294. Eleuthero5 February 14, 2013 at 6:38 am #

    CN said:
    I neither know nor care who you are; I shall leave all such speculation to others.
    *************************************************************
    Wow, that’s a HUGE lie!! If you didn’t “care who I was”, you were sure consumed with various speculations, virtually all false and scurrilous, over the course of about ten posts. When every last thing you say about various people, who are as individual as you imagine YOURSELF TO BE, turns out to be just a stab in the dark, you become apathetic only when the victim doesn’t fade to black.
    Carol, you need to face the music or stop being such a combative ass. If you’re going to be a combative ass then don’t feign indifference when a worthy debater puts you in your place. Make no mistake about it, I dealt with EVERY contention you made with FACTS about my existence or about the issues in question.
    You, like most liberals, want COMFORTABLE truths where people and phenomena can be placed in neat little bins … like I saw in your post about the military. I’m vehemently opposed to every war we’ve started in my lifetime but there’s no way I’m going to condemn the poor saps who fought in them because military recruiters PREY upon the poor and ill-educated. You should have sympathy, not bile, for them.
    E.

  295. Eleuthero5 February 14, 2013 at 6:53 am #

    CD said:
    Holy Shit. Carol!
    I wonder if Hemingway or Kerouac (or my newfound Hamlin Garland) postulated on writing like that?
    Or did they just go ahead and write? Hemingway nor Kerouac had a college degree, so they probably wouldn’t know what the hell you were talking about.
    ***************************************************************
    I already wrote a post wherein I stated that obsession with vocabulary and syntax does not a writer make. I *am* a published author and my book got a 5-star rating both on Amazon and Slashdot.
    I don’t know about you, CD, or my fellow CFN’ers, but I’m kind of tired of this word mincing workshop that Q. and Carol are having. Just as computer programming is how to use the idioms of a language most elegantly to get a job done, the same is true of non-technical writing. Wordsmithing, of course, requires good spelling and decent syntax but if the prose is not concise, if it lacks a certain pizzazz, if it is rife with illogic, if the characters lack believability, etc. … then it’s lousy prose even if every last word is spelled correctly and every semicolon, colon, ellipsis, and comma is in the right place.
    Good prose is rare. It’s even rare among the so-called “well known” authors. In my opinion, among poets, the greatest works are the briefest like “The Second Coming” by Yeats or “The Conqueror Worm” by Poe. Of course, the snobby view of prose is that we should all slog through “great” works that are five times their natural size.
    E.

  296. Eleuthero5 February 14, 2013 at 6:58 am #

    Good Lord, your prose is so BORING. That gigantic post about a fat guy and a lot of it is pure rubbish. In real life, where most of us live, fat guys and fat women seem to do just fine. When I look at one of my favorite musical periods, the Baroque, Bach and Handel were quite corpulent and were also unmatched by anyone else in the period.
    So THAT’S your prose is it? I knew there was a reason I preferred non-fiction.
    E.

  297. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 7:05 am #

    I’m going to condemn the poor saps who fought in them because military recruiters PREY upon the poor and ill-educated. You should have sympathy, not bile, for them.
    ===========
    Show me where I condemned. I’m waiting. I stated a fact. The military is the epitome of Socialism which many of you here deride. I’m calling a spade, a spade. It’s an entitlement program. A massive one. Nearly sixty cents out of every dollar in FIT collected goes to funding the entitlement program known as the military. I’d like to lower that figure to zero cents out of every federal income tax dollar, but I’ll compromise and settle for five cents. How about you?
    I will say this. At least the illegal immigrants, versus U.S. soldiers, don’t take up arms against the country they’re occupying. Instead, they work their asses off for next to nothing so they can support the destitute in their country of origin. Unlike the military, they don’t bring tanks, drones and depleted uranium. They don’t drop bombs on wedding parties and defenseless men, women and children. They don’t bust into our houses in the middle of the night and rape our wives and children. It’s difficult to find sympathy for anyone who carries out those orders, even if it’s an illegal immigrant who has joined the U.S. military. And don’t laugh. It happens. Illegals do get into the military.
    I agree with you that a significant percentage of grunts in the military are preyed upon by recruiters. Visit most any public school these days and you will see the marketing propaganda plastered everywhere. It’s despicable. What do we do to stop it? Many so-called “conservatives” will label you a commie-pinko if you attempt to keep the military recruiters, and their marketing propaganda, out. They control the local school boards. Why are they poor? Perhaps if that issue is addressed as the root of the problem, you can mitigate them being so vulnerable to the predations of military recruiters. But, this economic system requires an increasingly larger percentage of the population to be poor. Yes, it requires it. What do you do about that?

  298. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 7:11 am #

    Something tells me the “Dirty Professor” is FAT. Suck it up, BIG BOY. The novel in process is not intended for you as an audience. I’ll leave that to David Duke and his ilk. There’s some prose for you. I hear that boy can write. I’m sure you’re a fan. I don’t want the likes of you reading anything I write. It’s tantamount to addressing a wall.

  299. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 7:18 am #

    Wow, that’s a HUGE lie!! If you didn’t “care who I was”, you were sure consumed with various speculations, virtually all false and scurrilous, over the course of about ten posts. When every last thing you say about various people, who are as individual as you imagine YOURSELF TO BE, turns out to be just a stab in the dark, you become apathetic only when the victim doesn’t fade to black.
    ===========
    Thank you for responding to Nastarana. They were her words, if she really is a she, to which you were responding. I couldn’t have articulated it better myself. That’s not true, I certainly could have, but I wanted you to, and I knew you would. And you call yourself an expert in chess? Hardly. You, like Bobby Fischer, have too large of an ego. You keep tripping over it. You really should do something about it. And your fat.

  300. ozone February 14, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    ” And your fat.” -Carol
    Now that, (even with the proper contraction) is unsubstantiated.
    Perhaps we should all just write out “you are” from now on until we grok what the contraction stands for; it’s the same number of characters when written, anyhoo.
    Pick, pick, pick! ;o)

  301. ozone February 14, 2013 at 8:43 am #

    I should say, same number of characters, PLUS a space bar tap*. Is a space considered a “character”?
    Twittering Tweeters (or verse vice-a) might know this one…
    Pick, pick, pick!!!
    *The handle on the tap in the Space Bar is in the form of a miniature Buck Rogers space ship. Happy swillings!

  302. ComradeDystopia February 14, 2013 at 8:58 am #

    Some nice comments on writing and literature, E5. You say some pretty interesting things; Glad to see you back here.
    And you mention Poe. I don’t know if he’s read much anymore. I love his short story The Gold Bug. Robert Louis Stevenson knew that story and used it and you can see elements of it in Treasure Island.
    I read somewhere that Zane Gray (who’s granddaughter was my neighbor) wrote his novels sitting at small oak desk with a lead pencil and a legal pad. The typewriter didn’t come along until the 1880s. So think of of Herman Melville writing Moby Dick with a pen and sheet of paper, that’s all. Its astonishing, really.
    ==CD

  303. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    ozone? Can you not give me more credit than that? It’s not meant to be a contraction. Read it again, in conjunction with the preceding sentence. It’s an afterthought intended to mean that he should also do so something about his fat.
    His exploits that he has listed, i.e. that he taught over 10,000 students well, that he published a book, that he is a chess expert, that he commingles at a cafe with a socio-demographically diverse group are also unsubstantiated. His calling me a “liberal” is also unsubstantiated. His, and others here, calling me a feminist is also unsubstantiated. The point is?
    Who cares, anyway? Not me. Not anymore.

  304. progress4conserving February 14, 2013 at 9:49 am #

    “the military is socialist”
    -carol newtwist-
    The resident impediment used to say this bit of nonsense repeatedly, as well.
    So, let us ask, what would a “capitalistic” version of the military look like?
    Rank, pay grade, access to food, in fact access to every necessity and privilege – would be determined through “capitalistic” principles, in the “capitalistic” military.
    The “currency” for these transactions and exchanges would be violence, and the threat of violence. Thus, the highest ranking “officers” would be those most capable of marshaling violence against others.
    Individual service members would be expected to generate their own “capital,” from the people of the country where they were deployed – by means of theft, threat, rape, or murder.
    Chances are that armies like those of Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler, and William Sherman ran somewhat on a “capitalistic” basis.
    And the geographically closest analog, today, to a “capitalistic” military force, is to be found among the Mexican Drug Warlords, who are intimately dependent upon illegal activities and illegal immigrants – for whom “carol” has demonstrated an unnatural affection.
    Yep, the future is “capitalistic.”
    That doesn’t mean it is going to be better.

  305. ozone February 14, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    Oho! So you meant, “…And your fat as well.”
    (Sorta like: “…And your little dog too!”)
    Sorry, I “mis-read”; re-smooth hackles please, ’cause really[?]; mis-readings provoke the very lightest of criticisms in dis place. I’ll leave it to Q., and leave it at that. (After all, I ain’t no writer-er; more like a distiller.)
    Unsubstantiated id a good wurt, eh? ;o)
    The point is: He doesn’t want to sell his book. Today.

  306. ComradeDystopia February 14, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    For a lot of us out here enlisting in the Armed Forces was the best thing we ever did. It got us out of town, gave us a job, and an opportunity to see some of the world. I’ve never had so much fun as the years I spent cruising around the Caribbean on a Destroyer, those days basking in the sun in St Thomas or Guantanamo when my friends and relatives were freezing their asses of in the dirty snows of New England. Ostensibly we were searching for Russian subs coming and going into Cuba. In reality it was one big party, with plenty of cash, plenty of women, and plenty of beer in those Island seaports. What more could you ask for at 19 years old? Who gives a sh-t if it was ‘socialist’ or any other goddam thing?
    I’ll say it again; Carol Newquist sounds a lot like Asoka, here to bust our balls some more.
    ==CD

  307. ozone February 14, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    Just to be infuriating?
    The assumption of E.’s corpulence is STILL unsubstantiated, as are anyones’ assumptions, of course.
    CD, that ain’t asoka; you can’t change chains of thought and stylistic expression so radically, IMHO.

  308. ozone February 14, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    One more thing that could actually prove interesting is Archie the Druid’s column today, concerning centralized control vs. local control, called, “Skin In The Game”. Apt title.
    Whereas JHK enjoys painting with a broad, hyperbolic brush (that we also thoroughly enjoy reading), JMG has a kind of pointallistic fastidiousness. (Also enjoyable for clarity of exposition via example.)
    Here’s a slice:
    ” As long as the roles of state and federal governments remained that of policing the commons, the system worked quite well—better, by most measures, than the failed equivalents we have today. What put paid to it was the explosive spread of government centralization after the Second World War, and this in turn was driven by the imperial tribute economy I described earlier in this series of posts: the set of deliberately unbalanced economic arrangements by which something like a third of the world’s wealth is channeled every year to the five per cent of humanity that live in the United States.” -JMG
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2013/02/skin-in-game.html

  309. Buck's A Stud February 14, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    The time had come at last, as it always does for the woman in wait: she was feeding the edited version of me through the paper shredding machine. Pen, ink and words written on screen and paper no longer sufficed; she issued a non-negotiable demand for the unedited me. It was now rough draft time, with my soul written naked on the tablet of her skin in sweat, scent and fluid.

  310. newworld February 14, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    RIP Chris Dorner, an honest liberal done in by the other liberals. Too bad about all the death, just more butt hurt to manifest itself into more bad ideas.
    Anyway on zerohedge yesterday evening they ran a headline thread about how 23% of the Murrikan population is illiterate. How is that so, and why after decades cannot the Democratic establishment correct this? FTR Bakersfield,CA held the record for stupidity per capita.
    My WAG the money changing banksters will withdraw Obama’s blank check in 2015 and collapse the economy so as to put a GOP shyster in the WH and give Team D a rest.

  311. newworld February 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Got some questions for the anti-whites here about the SI swimsuit issue. Too white? Too sexist? And don’t you feel dumb for saying yes to either question?

  312. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    It is just a way to see new posts. For some reason, my computer doesn’t usually register them unless I post or until I have to sign in again.
    ===============
    Vlad, find the “refresh” icon on your screen and click on it. In my Op Sys (Windows 7) there is a large “back” button in the extreme upper left corner. 3.5 inches or so to the right of that button is an icon showing an arrow that indicates a clockwise direction. That is the refresh button. When you click on it it will cause all the posts to appear that are new since the last time you posted or signed in.

  313. Eleuthero5 February 14, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    At least my “ego” is based upon life accomplishment, Carol. I live near San Francisco where every fourth or fifth person fancies that they’re an “artist” or a “writer”. I’ve read great writing because I had a good Quaker education in Pennsylvania. I was reading Graham Greene, Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, and Aldous Huxley in 10th grade.
    Your “Steve” writing above seems to be about showing off vocabulary more than creating an amusing description of someone. “Vituperative curmudgeon” and then less than half a sentence away, “contranianism hubris”?! And while we’re at it, shouldn’t it be contrarianISTIC since it’s an ADJECTIVE describing his hubris? You bloviate on and on about his fatness with about ten nouns and adjectives. Okay, okay, okay … we get it. Steve is CORPULENT, alright!?
    As to your usual allegations that defending fatness means I am fat. You think everyone’s as reactive as you are about criticism. In fact, I’m an absolute mesomorph at 5’9”, 175 pounds with big shoulders and large thighs. Since you like guessing games, I’m guessing you’re another artistic ectomorph whose feet have never been planted on terra firma.
    Your writing is BORING. Do NOT give up that day job … if you’ve got one. BTW … I don’t care what Nastarana said about me. The only exchanges that mean something to me here are those from BeingThere, SJMom, Janos, P4C, ComradeDystopia, and sometimes Ozone. As you can see, I like to talk to OBSERVANT liberals and conservatives. Their “ism” means less than their acuity.
    It figures that you’re a novelist (or you imagine you’re one) because you don’t have the FACT BASE to write an interesting nonfiction that would enlighten people.
    E.

  314. Eleuthero5 February 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    I agree with Ozone. Newquist is the designation replacement asshole for Asoka but is NOT Asoka himself. Not that it matters. One provocateur leaves, another enters. Yawn.
    E.

  315. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    Got some questions for the anti-whites here about the SI swimsuit issue. Too white? Too sexist? And don’t you feel dumb for saying yes to either question?
    ===============
    I don’t know about the anti-white part but here’s my assessment of this year’s SI swimsuit cover girl:
    She certainly has an enormous set of tits spilling out of her bikini top and that would normally be a real positive for me … so long as everything else about her lived up to the promise of those tits. (There is, of course, the question of enhancement, but my extremely practiced eye says they’re the genuine article.)
    Unfortunately, I see at least two flaws: One, she has bird legs from the knees down, i.e. insufficient calves and two, (and this sounds her death knell for me) she has an extreme case, like so many young women today, of “vocal fry” (I heard her interviewed on TV) that, in a matter of seconds after “the act,” would touch off a sever bout of post-coital depression in me. I would not want to discuss grammar, usage or peak oil over a cup of coffee with this girl.

  316. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    The time had come at last, as it always does for the woman in wait: she was feeding the edited version of me through the paper shredding machine. Pen, ink and words written on screen and paper no longer sufficed; she issued a non-negotiable demand for the unedited me. It was now rough draft time, with my soul written naked on the tablet of her skin in sweat, scent and fluid.
    ============
    WOW! Another novelist emerges from our ranks.
    Post more Buck, I want to see where ^this^ paragraph is leading.

  317. progress4conserving February 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    “…the question of enhancement, but my extremely practiced eye says they’re the genuine article.”
    -k/q-
    It’s not sufficient to practice with your eye, K.
    One must also be willing to practice with his fingertips if the situation calls for it.
    If you care to call and set it up with Kate, I will volunteer – bringing, of course, the obligatory permission slip from my wife. ;0)
    Now, my opinion is that Kate has had a least a minor bit of a boob job – and a very good one, at that. And it’s good to see a model with a tiny bit of meat on her bones, instead of the runway gazelles that pass for models these days.
    A third opinion, anyone?
    http://news.makemeheal.com/celebrity-plastic-surgery/kate-upton-breast-implants/2711
    Miami plastic surgeon Dr. Michael Salzhauer says, “Kate Upton does appear to have breast implants as revealed by the very distinct and sharp transition from her full cleavage to her chest. Her breast augmentation fits her frame well and balances out her proportions.” -article-
    =========================
    And Newworld, regarding the SI Swimsuit edition being “too white.” I’ve been noticing that media outside of pro sports, is pretty “white” these days. Whatever is there – I will GUARANTEE you that it is focus-grouped, first. Nothing is random, anymore.
    And SI is for men, right. Most every hetero man – red, yellow, black, white – enjoys looking at attractive white women. I suspect that that is not universal for women of other races.
    Just a theory.

  318. lucky 13 February 14, 2013 at 3:12 pm #

    Is this site too White?
    How many PoC post here?

  319. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    My mother used to say, “it’s far better to light a match, then to curse the darkness.” Seems sensible. Seems. But it’s really not. It’s far more sensible to do neither. Don’t light that match. Once our species did, things have gone terribly wrong. Don’t ever curse the dark. Embrace it. Respect it for what it is; another perspective. We didn’t evolve with light surrounding us constantly, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Our current way of life, one that shuns the dark and nurtures and expands artificial light whilst blocking out natural light via particle pollution during the day, and artificial light pollution obscuring the moon, stars and planets during the night, is an unhealthy one. Can we get back to that place where we listen to, and respect, our Circadian Rhythm? A rhythm that evolved over the ages and is in tune with nature? It seems unlikely, but you never know.

  320. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    I’ve read great writing because I had a good Quaker education in Pennsylvania. I was reading Graham Greene, Franz Kafka, Albert Camus, and Aldous Huxley in 10th grade.
    =========
    So. What’s the point of making this statement? Do you think anyone cares who or what you are? They don’t. And, nobody cares that you were a teacher, or that you published a book, or that you hang out on youtube and comment about women’s smoking styles.
    By the way, all that reading, and yet you’re still incapable of an original thought.
    For someone who complains about “liberals” so much, you sure as hell appear to be one. I don’t frequent cafes. In fact, I can’t stand Starbucks and the like. The people there are loathsome losers, trying to connect, but unable to, maybe because they’ve had their selfish heads buried in too many books for far too long and didn’t develop appropriate social habits. Cafes are so “liberal.” Get out of your Birkenstocks, and get into a cabin in a remote forest somewhere if you want to be taken seriously as a White Nationalist. Otherwise, your impression of one is severely lacking.

  321. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    Speaking of bodies, are any of you familiar with the show “Girls?” It’s currently in the middle of its second season after having won numerous awards in its first. I started watching a few weeks ago to see what all the fuss was about.
    The show is the brain-child of a (now) 26 year old girl named Lena Dunham. She has created a show the antithesis of Sex in the City. At her tender age Lena does everything: writes, produces, stars in and God knows what else. If the credits at the end scrolled more slowly I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that she handled lighting, sound and studio rest room toilet cleaning. The girl is a phenom.
    Lena, whose character’s name is Hannah, and three female chums are ordinary to a fault. They are not four beauties with great wardrobes and careers a la Carrie Bradshaw et al. They are young women in the big city with job and guy problems (the guys are no prizes either). The situations and dialogue have a hyper-reality about them. The casualness with which every taboo is dealt is at first startling.
    On Sunday night past, Hanna winds up, by plausible happenstance, in the home of a handsome guy down the block from where she works. The guy and the place (including a grand piano) are stunning. Hanna is so taken that she plants a kiss on him and then instantly apologizes. He is not at all offended by her forwardness and they begin making out. He lifts her onto a counter, she throws her legs around him and they screw. In the midst of all this sexual heat she asks “how old are you?” he says “42”, she says “I’m 24 so that’s less than 20 years difference so that’s OK,” or some such dialogue. Then they screw again. Then they are seen playing ping pong (he has a game room), he in underwear shorts with a rippling six-pack, she in her panties and unflattering muffin-top … that’s it, no bra. Then they screw again over one end of the ping pong table. Did I mention…this show is on HBO?
    Now, mind you, this Lena Dunham has actually allowed herself to be seen naked by an entire TV production crew not to mention millions more when the show airs.
    Now I come to my point…….
    Ms Dunham, frankly, has a lousy body. She is poorly proportioned with way too much weight below the waistline relative to above the waist. Her legs are shapeless and she is some-what knock-kneed. She has small uninteresting tits. She has several (real-life) awful looking tattoos. You never get to see the tatts long enough to determine exactly what they are. There is some god-awful thing on her right shoulder and there is a large splotch on her left side/back about half the distance between her armpit and elbow. Gorbachev’s forehead came to mind but this was four times larger.
    Lena Dunham is an incredibly self confident young woman with no visible reason for such confidence. Her smiles are genuine and her un-self-conscious promiscuity is actually charming. What else but her bottomless talent could explain such self-confidence? It is almost unfair.

  322. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    My mother used to say, “it’s far better to light a match, then to curse the darkness.”
    ==========
    OMG, I hope not. Did she actually say then rather than than?

  323. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

    She did, that’s why it’s in quotes. To honor her memory, regardless of her grammatical errors. Unlike me, she unfortunately did not have you around to nip at her heels.

  324. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    Gorbachev’s forehead came to mind but this was four times larger.
    ==========
    I always wandered about that, so a while back, I did some research, and come to find out, it’s a burn scar from his delivery as an infant. They were having a tough time getting him out, and they eventually had to use the forceps. The doctor had one too many shots of vodka and picked up the ones that had just been sterilized, and they were scalding hot. He could have killed the man who ultimately saved the world from nuclear annihilation. Instead, he left an embarrassing and unsightly scar. Thankfully, they don’t use forceps too often these days, and many U.S. doctors prefer Scotch to Vodka.

  325. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    It just shows to go ya, I assumed that when you typed that quote it was YOU that messed up. Well, as they say, when you AS-SOOOM you make an ass of u and me.

  326. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    I’m just messing with you. You had it right the first time. I screwed it up. No excuse.

  327. lucky 13 February 14, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    Riddle…
    What do you call a black person at a conservative conference?
    answer:keynote speaker.

  328. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    She has created a show the antithesis of Sex in the City.
    ===========
    I don’t think this is grammatically correct. In the least, it doesn’t flow well. Maybe this would be better.
    She has created a show that is the antithesis of Sex in the City.
    or
    She has created a show antithetical to Sex in the City.

  329. Carol Newquist February 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    The casualness with which every taboo is dealt is at first startling.
    ===========
    You most definitely need a comma between “first” and “startling.” It should read as follows:
    The casualness with which every taboo is dealt is at first, startling.

  330. Janos Skorenzy February 14, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    The Jews produce alot of people like this – gifted mentally, and seeing all sexual morals as irrational Christian taboos. And is this kind of casualness even good for sex ultimately? Can eroticism survive such a thing?
    And yes, they control the gigantic porn industry.

  331. Janos Skorenzy February 14, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    Liberals and Conservatives have different brain patterns. Liberals have a damadged Amygdala which doesn’t allow them to percieve danger. Instead, they are excessively social or “over socialized” and hate those who have normal reticence and decorum.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278418/Cameron-Miliband-really-different-wavelength-People-different-ends-political-spectrum-use-brains-differently.html

  332. ozone February 14, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

    “Lena Dunham is an incredibly self confident young woman with no visible reason for such confidence. Her smiles are genuine and her un-self-conscious promiscuity is actually charming. What else but her bottomless talent could explain such self-confidence? It is almost unfair.” -Q.
    In a merit-based ideation of a hierarchical society, this is perfectly fair. Were the Nazi leadership cadre the finest examples of the Aryan ideal that they wanted to impose upon the world by force and genocide? (Snaps of these rather genetically-challenged folk are still available.)
    I’m a little hesitant to reveal this to you, but a large majority of the lumpenprole happen to be “unbeautiful”, are quite ordinary-looking, and haven’t even the palest chance of appearing in a Victoria’s Secret catalog (or its’ male-modeled counterpart, whatever that might be). ;o)

  333. Martin Hayes February 14, 2013 at 7:25 pm #

    It’s too late. The colonisers have been colonised, and every day brings more. Don’t hope for a fast collapse. It is most unlikely.
    I counsel resignation and acceptance. I call it realism. It is simply uncanny how history has conspired to bring us to this point, where we are in an exquisitely calibrated trap of our own making. We are losing. And we can’t breathe a word about it. We can only gaze at the ground as we walk around, because to look up is to see the faces of our conquerors.
    And we deserve it. We created a machine that devoured the world, and now it has come for us.

  334. Jam47 February 14, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

    “She has created a show the antithesis of Sex in the City.”
    Neglecting to introduce a relative clause with a relative pronoun is sometimes an error. It’s an error when it obliges you to reread the sentence. That’s not the case with the sentence quoted. Grammatically, the sentence is correct.

  335. Jam47 February 14, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    And the beginning of the control goes a long way back, at least to the thirties. When neither British nor American publishers would touch the work of Henry Miller or D H Lawrence or Lawrence Durrell, the Obelisk Press in Paris gave them a warm welcome.

  336. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    You most definitely need a comma between “first” and “startling.” It should read as follows:
    The casualness with which every taboo is dealt is at first, startling.
    ==========
    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

  337. progress4conserving February 14, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

    “For a lot of us out here enlisting in the Armed Forces was the best thing we ever did.”
    snip
    What more could you ask for at 19 years old? Who gives a sh-t if it was ‘socialist’ or any other goddam thing?” -comradeD-
    Concur, comrade.
    And I also agree that “carol” may be our new Resident Impediment. Is “she” assigned by the DoD?
    Was Soaker Hose assigned by the DoD?
    Who knows. Time will tell, perhaps.
    As regards military service, I’ll go on record with a now vanished poster, SNAFU, in saying that ending the draft was the worst thing that Tricky Dick ever did. I was 18 at the time, and still remember the relief, though. The fact that I volunteered 4 years later – – well, it’s hard to keep a young man content, I suppose.
    I’m glad you enjoyed your time in the Navy. Sounds like great duty. And I admire the way you play up the “fun” and downplay the rest. That’s admirable. And it’s relatively uncommon, as men age.
    In my experience and I’ve got a LOT of veterans in my family, the men who saw the hardest duty tend to be the quietest about it. And the opposite – naturally – usually seems to be the case as well.
    I’ve got a family member who served two years in the Navy during Vietnam. So that was 45 years ago, right. Problem is, the man (who has no sons) is WAAY to gung ho about all things National Defense Related – and has been since RR was president.
    So, OK, whatever – right?
    Except the man’s Navy service saw him in Europe in a Fiat he bought over there – tooling around the Continent. He never got any closer to Vietnam than Greece. And he never set foot on a ship.
    Oh well, duty is duty.
    Speaking of duty, we’ve got one Iraqi vet. in the family. He’s done two tours. To talk to him, you would never know he was in the service. If you knew he’d served in Iraq, you’d never know he went outside the wire.
    He got to drinking beer with my son and a couple of us one night though, and opened up a little bit. He pulled some rough duty. And you’d never know.
    Duty is duty, indeed.
    Thanks CD.

  338. anti soak February 14, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    ‘percieve’, ‘I’ before ‘E’ except after ‘C’.

  339. Kyooshtik February 14, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    For a lot of us out here enlisting in the Armed Forces was the best thing we ever did.
    ===============
    Dick Alrich and I graduated HS in ’58 (you last heard about Dick sitting with me on the cellar steps laughing our asses off when my HAM radio Dad yelled “son of s bitch bastard I DID NOT get it.”)
    I went to college; Dick went in the Navy (out of “No-fuck,” VA). We corresponded by snail mail. There was no such thing as email nor, even, computers. I’d get funny letters telling me about the “chief boats” telling the deck scrubbing crew… “I don’t wanna see nuthin but assholes and elbows.” The best, though, was the tale of the ship’s “phantom shitter.” Huge steaming piles were turning up everywhere. I roared at the image of the admin clerk removing the cover from his typewriter one morning to find a still-soft turd squished into the keys. (Nearly 50 years later I day dreamed of depositing a gigantic wet load into Mot’s keyboard and sprinkling his Prozac and Ritalin pills on it…like breading chicken.)
    The Navy guys would mock the Coast Guardsmen with “Join the Coast Guard and see the coast.”
    All in all I think Dick enjoyed his 4 year stint.

  340. lucky 13 February 15, 2013 at 12:36 am #

    The good old days, great photos:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/early-1900s-japan-photos-2013-2?op=1

  341. lucky 13 February 15, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    Every decade increases the 3rd world population by nearly a billion.
    Spill over should have been minimal, not intentional.

  342. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 12:54 am #

    I like Lucky better than you, GoGo.

  343. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 1:23 am #

    Martin Hayes said:
    It’s too late. The colonisers have been colonised, and every day brings more. Don’t hope for a fast collapse. It is most unlikely.
    I counsel resignation and acceptance. I call it realism. It is simply uncanny how history has conspired to bring us to this point, where we are in an exquisitely calibrated trap of our own making. We are losing. And we can’t breathe a word about it. We can only gaze at the ground as we walk around, because to look up is to see the faces of our conquerors.
    And we deserve it. We created a machine that devoured the world, and now it has come for us.
    ***************************************************************
    Part of the “agonizingly slow collapse” idea is bringing over Chinese and Indians to prop out housing prices ’cause Whites are now downwardly mobile. Indeed, this IS a trap of our own making.
    You counsel resignation and acceptance which is a sort of realpolitik view of how to cope. Personally, I think that said propping of prices has a limited lifespan and the very foreigners that are being lured in will find their net worth sinking faster than the Titanic when the insolvent Fed stops buying mortgaged backed securities because rising rates have destroyed their own bond portfolio. Whitey need do NOTHING. Pull up a deck chair and just watch when we hit the iceberg.
    E.

  344. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 1:24 am #

    Uncanny? Or planned? It’s far from coincidental that all White Nations opened their borders. The economic excuse expired decades ago. It’s genocide by the Group that hates us. And our White Leaders are too selfish to care.

  345. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 1:29 am #

    Femme Bot said:
    So. What’s the point of making this statement? Do you think anyone cares who or what you are? They don’t. And, nobody cares that you were a teacher, or that you published a book, or that you hang out on youtube and comment about women’s smoking styles.
    ***************************************************************
    This is just a guess, Carol, but since about 100 ex-students stay in contact with me, I’m surmising that a LOT of people (including my wide circle of friends and even a few CFN’ers) give a bigger shit about me than they do about a wannabee like you.
    I see that you have become obsessed enough about me that you actually comb YouTube for my sarcastic comments about women’s smoking videos. This rather contradicts your allegation that you don’t give a shit about me or any facets of my life. I think you’re wildly grasping at straws. By the way, there are MANY Eleutheros on YouTube so the other Eleutheros start calling themselves Eleuthero2, 3, 5, 7, whatever.
    Why don’t you try being consistent so that you get mistaken for a RATIONAL BEING now and then. Only a couple of dupes have been roped in by you here and, frankly, I don’t get it because your prose is sophomoric in that it is obsessed by topics that are nonentities.
    E.

  346. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 1:34 am #

    O3 said:
    The assumption of E.’s corpulence is STILL unsubstantiated, as are anyones’ assumptions, of course.
    *********************************************************
    I’m not but the comical point is … WHO CARES? Carol Newquist is a highly irrational being who posits whatever she imagines about a person’s actual state of being while claiming not to care on iota about them. She combed YouTube for evidence of comments I made while feigning indifference to my very existence.
    How can you believe a person whose thoughts and actions are 180 degrees apart?
    E.

  347. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 1:44 am #

    Wannabee said:
    For someone who complains about “liberals” so much, you sure as hell appear to be one.
    *************************************************************
    That’s because you have no clue what real conservatives and/or real liberals are. A real liberal would never shut down ANY conversation even if unpleasant truths are revealed. Thus, the Orwellian “liberals” who occupy schools are really Marxists who want us to buy untruths on the scale of “1984” and “Animal Farm” i.e., untruths that are repeated as slogans.
    The modern “conservative” that votes for the Patriot Act and more and more defense funding for foreign wars should be forced to read the writings of the Constitutionalists that he/she claim to be allied with.
    Carol, just because you’re uninformed, have no historical context about politics, and are willfully and brashly stupid doesn’t mean that ANY noun or adjective you apply to a person becomes “correct” just because you have the chutzpah to utter it.
    I can’t wait ’til you and your sycophants take the critique of irrelevant minutiae of your dull writing elsewhere. It’s the height of intellectual dilettantism similar to what one finds in other places, like Berkeley, Santa Cruz, or San Francisco where lots of dodos attend “salons” where mutual ego-preening is the primary activity so that extremely tertiary people can feel like they’re part of a “scene”.
    E.

  348. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:12 am #

    The inside scoop from a real mensch. You have defended the Jews all your life. He doesn’t.
    http://henrymakow.com/girls-illuminati-normalize.html

  349. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:19 am #

    Hitler never said he himself was the New Man. He said explicitly that he was the servant of them. All Races have a higher Archetype, even Blacks. But they are very far from that, much farther than we are from our’s. And if we mix the races, no one will attain their destiny.
    Behold the perfection of the Annunaki Race. They were once as we were. We will look a bit like this someday but without the reddish eyes or vaguely oriental features.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=TIYrTgxhPjA

  350. Martin Hayes February 15, 2013 at 6:13 am #

    I’m sorry to go over old ground with you, and sophomorically too, but I need to do it for the sake of my mental health, if nothing else. The joke is on me if I describe myself as a realist, and then the very next thing that happens is that it is suggested that I have failed to notice what is in front of my very eyes.
    That is why I will repeat that I find it eery that the doors have been thrown open in every white nation, as anyone can see. It appears to be deliberate policy but I can’t realistically make this claim, however tempting, because there is no documentary evidence to support it. Where is the plan? Where is the money quote? Where is the paper trail?
    It’s reasonable to attribute these events, not so much to coincidence, but to economic forces, particularly wage arbitrage, still in play.
    Every now and again I see a comment at, say, the Daily Telegraph in which “race replacement” is mentioned. Right now, this idea has the status of a conspiracy theory — and one that people do not find alluring and can’t be induced to take seriously.
    At least when Antony C. Sutton sought to show that the Cold War was all just theatre for the rubes, when in fact the USSR was a client state of the US, and had been provided with materiel, including munitions, to ensure the success of its Communist revolution, he provided plenty of documentary evidence to back his claim. I don’t know how good a case he made, but he at least tried to satisfy the rules of evidence.
    If people won’t believe what their own nervous system is telling them, if their amygdala doesn’t function as it should, and they are therefore being willingly led like lambs to the slaughter, against a backdrop of the capture and ruin of their ancestral lands, then why do you think empty assertion and obscurantist racial theory will persuade them? (Please understand that I’m not trying to needle you.)

  351. ComradeDystopia February 15, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    Jam47 you mention Obelisk Press in Paris publishing controversial authors like Henry Miller and Lawrence Durrell back in the 30s. We had a small publishing house here about the same time up the road a way in Norfolk, CT, New Directions, created by James Laughlin, who did much the same thing. Later on as he got more successful he moved to NYC.
    It was the small press that as willing to take a chance and publish works that were, in effect, illegal. Lawrence Ferlinghetti’s City Lights in San Francisco and Ginsberg’s ‘Howl’ come to mind.
    Starting up a small publishing house has always been a risky venture in many ways. I suspect the internet has had a deleterious effect on them, as well as a disintegrating economy. I have friends who still operate old hand cranked letter presses as a hobby. Perhaps in a post collapse America this is what we will go back to.
    –CD

  352. ComradeDystopia February 15, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    Also, check out Harry Crosby and his ‘Black Sun Press’ in Paris in the 1920’s. Its really what you would call Avante Gard, and Crosby was One Wild Character.
    ==CD

  353. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    If you say so. And if so, it proves how absurd the rules of grammar can be. The sentence sucks. It’s confusing, and it lacks a pleasing rhythm. It makes the reader say to himself/herself, “this doesn’t sound right,” and forces he/she to reread it, not for any deeper meaning, but merely for syntactical purposes. It’s a waste of the reader’s time, and if it’s only done once or twice, it can be forgiven and overlooked, but done often enough it will cause the reader to disregard the remainder of the work. You, as a copy-editor, should have been quick to point that out to Kyooshtik.

  354. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 9:40 am #

    What is going to be of particular pleasure as collapse slowly unfolds in the years ahead, is when your vaunted massive entitlement program called the military, comes to get the likes of you and your “comrades” here. When they do, and believe me, they will, I will laugh in your faces. You will deserve nothing less. You are going to get what’s coming to you, quite literally, in spades. Massive platoons of minorities with unprecedented firepower will descend on Red State “America” in a final, bloody purge of regressionists like yourself, and maybe then, our species will finally be able to socially evolve.

  355. ComradeDystopia February 15, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Hey Q, how about that Russian Yacht tied up down there in NYC? Biggest Private Vessel in the World? It looks like the owner has his pregnant wife aboard and wants her to have the baby in the USA, conferring US citizenship on the little one. What do you want to bet that the ship is crewed by Admirals from the Russian Navy, with ex Spetznatz Generals providing security?
    CD

  356. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 9:59 am #

    I’m sure you’re right. Military types are trained to be hand-maidens to wealth and power, in whatever form that takes.

  357. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the CFNation:
    I do believe that we have found someone with even more hate than the Resident Impediment. To wit:
    “When they do, and believe me, they will, I will laugh in your faces. You will deserve nothing less. You are going to get what’s coming to you, quite literally, in spades. Massive platoons of minorities with unprecedented firepower will descend on Red State “America” in a final, bloody purge of regressionists like yourself,…”
    -“carol,” on a good use of military power-
    So, violence is OK, as long as you approve?
    Genocide is great, as long as you approve?
    And racial double entendres like “spades,” are fine, as long as they originate with you?
    ==============
    And, as per normal for “you,” you make assumptions, for example, that I am a “regressionist,” when you have little or no evidence for that.
    And you assume that something you call “social evolution” is a desirable goal – when a society of post-peak-everything will demonstrate that it was an impossible and very undesirable goal.
    Regress that.

  358. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    What lovely people.
    What a lovely continent for “social evolution.”
    “Though slavery was outlawed in 1960, Mali is one of the countries in the world where the practice of human servitude flourishes, with as many as 200,000 Bella living a life of hereditary enslavement.”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/14/mali-slavery/1920579/

  359. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    So, violence is OK, as long as you approve?
    Genocide is great, as long as you approve?
    ===========
    Not at all. I’m just reading the tea leaves. The tea leaves indicate what’s coming. There’s nothing you and your ilk can do to stop it. Your world is ending, and instead of accepting that graciously and moving on to the next world, you have turned defensive, violent and hostile, and by doing so, you will bring the same upon yourself. Not by me, but neither will I lament your world passing. I will take no pleasure in the suffering, but I will take pleasure in knowing that you and your ilk can no longer dole out any pain, suffering, death and destruction that you have been for hundreds of years.

  360. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    So, violence is OK, as long as you approve?
    Genocide is great, as long as you approve?
    “you and your ilk can no longer dole out any pain, suffering, death and destruction that you have been for hundreds of years.”
    – the resident hater-
    The sins of the father’s father’s father’s fathers – must be avenged by death to all who disagree?
    Then “carol” will be happy?
    No you won’t.

  361. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    And another thing, “carol.”
    Intuitively – you KNOW your “ideas” are repugnant to the human spirit, and impossible to implement – without resort to violence and genocide.
    Which is why you are so gleeful at the prospect OF that violence and genocide.
    There is no other explanation for your attitude.

  362. lucky 13 February 15, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    Sounds like Asoka [RI] and his ‘Muslim and Latino
    reconquista’ riff.
    I see the natives, I mean Somalis in the USA are
    again restless. They have been rioting in Minnesota.

  363. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    Carol, just because you’re uninformed, have no historical context about politics, and are willfully and brashly stupid doesn’t mean that ANY noun or adjective you apply to a person becomes “correct” just because you have the chutzpah to utter it. – E. to Carol
    =============
    ^This^ is an excerpt from an intellectual-style long-form beatdown by E.
    The short-form beatdown (which I am surprised has not already appeared) made famous by Mistified would comprise a brief sentence or two ending with “you are a FUCKTARD and a MORON.”
    As in boxing, styles make fights.

  364. lucky 13 February 15, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Ads for food stamps in Mexico and meetings with Mexican officials over how to import more Mexicans.

  365. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    The inside scoop from a real mensch.
    ================
    Your problem Vlad (and BTW, I continue to use Vlad rather than Jaego, Radu or Janos for its simplicity and recognizability).. your problem is that you see terms like Satanic and evil as absolutes carved by God in a monolith floating through time and space, pre-existing man and independent of what man thinks of these concepts.
    Lena Dunham has NOT been attending (2000 years and running) Jewish conspiracy meetings to bring down the White Western World. As interesting and entertaining as your posts are, you’re somewhat delusional in this respect.

  366. ComradeDystopia February 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    Lucky13,
    About those school riots in Minneapolis ..
    A few years back I was in a hotel in Central New Hampshire. On the local TV news there was a report of Somali riots. The video showed natives in robes and loin clothes running thru the streets carrying spears. There were the usual burning overturned cars, smashed storefront windows and general chaos. I wondered why a local news station would spend so much time on an event in Africa that probably wasn’t al that unusual there. Then I found out they were reporting from downtown Portland, Maine.
    –CD

  367. Jam47 February 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    About ten years ago, a friend of mine took me to an Ethiopian restaurant in downtown Toronto. He’d brought a copy of Howl with him, and after he’d eaten he read it out to me, and read it well. But I was too ill at the time to fully concentrate on what he was saying, so all I can recollect of Howl is its famous beginning ( “I saw the best minds…”), which I knew already. But if no publisher other than City Lights was willing to take it on, there must have been some scandalous stuff in it.
    And yes, Harry Crosby was wild. But since he didn’t have to work for a living, he could afford to be. I read a biography of him about thirty years ago–Black Sun was the title. As you probably know, he killed himself in a New York hotel room. He persuaded his lover to die with him, which was one more proof-it seems to me-of his strong personality.

  368. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    I can’t wait ’til you and your sycophants take the critique of irrelevant minutiae of your dull writing elsewhere. It’s the height of intellectual dilettantism similar to what one finds in other places, like Berkeley, Santa Cruz, or San Francisco where lots of dodos attend “salons” where mutual ego-preening is the primary activity so that extremely tertiary people can feel like they’re part of a “scene”. – E. to Carol
    =========
    I really like the thrashing you deliver ^here^ but I can’t help feeling that in the first sentence you’re taking a potshot at ME. “Sycophant” is a little strong don’t you think. And if insults are to be hurled… I think your incessant bragging (mesomorph physique) is childish and makes for a lousy rejoinder. When you wrote of having 100 former students who still correspond with you I automatically reduced the figure to MAYBE half a dozen. You simply must find another way of expressing your worth than yelling “Damnit Carol, I AM SO a great person!! WHY won’t you BELIEVE me!?”
    Initially I thought s(he) did a nice job of setting us up for something yet to be revealed with “..not me, not any more” and by repeating it a few times but I’ll grant you it’s getting old.
    My main reason for encouraging continuation of the story is to find out what makes the author tick. Since fiction is by its nature (nearly) always autobiographical I felt we might get to the source of Carol’s harsh worldview.
    BTW, I had always thought of a “Salon” as a place where women get their hair and nails done. Ya learn something new every day.

  369. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    She’s part of it, born into it and didn’t reject it. Makow has. That’s the difference. How about you? Where do you stand? You can’t see it because it’s all around you – like water around a fish.

  370. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    She’s part of it, born into it…
    =========
    Kyoo: “You’re paranoid!”
    Vlad: “Yeah…but what if there REALLY ARE people following me?”

  371. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    A paper trail! Like Hansel and Gretel? Why do you need a paper trail when all the Trees of the Forest have placards on them declaring it? Read Orianna Fallaci and Bat Yeor for the Gentile side of it. The Jews in Europe now pretend they had nothing to do with it. Evidently, Babs Spectre didn’t get the memo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
    Bat Yeor and Fallaci say that the precursors to the EU made a Pact with the Arabs to create Eurabia for access to oil. But there are other reasons. What was the name of that Labor guy who admitted that Labor hated Conservatives so much that they wanted to change the population? But again, it’s deeper than that: it a world wide program to demoralize us, invade us, and ultimately destroy us. The unique evil of the White Man is taught at all the Universities! You must know this. And the Priests of the Cult are mostly Jews. Read Kevin MacDonald. But it’s mutli-generational now – and there are yonger gentile Priests and Priestesses of it now too.
    Sure there are lesser reasons, there always are. Even though there is no economic benefit anymore, massive immigration does strengthen the Socialists and the Bureacrats. But again, how did people get to be so devoid of all National, Ethnic, and Racial pride? That didn’t appear over night. And Socialism doesn’t have to mean any of those things. National Socialism doesn’t mean just Nazis, many Nations have and do have it. The Golden Dawn in Greece is a new appearance and it will save Greece if it succeeds.
    It’s deep and old. To imagine Whites just decided to die cannot be true. Can you imagine Blacks or East Asians ever behaving like this? I can’t even imagine a similar program working on them. Like many, I think Whites may have some kind of flaw. Or perhaps it’s the dark side of capacity for fairness and Liberalism. We get so much into seeing all sides of an argument, that we forget to take our own in the end. And after the course of programming called a University Education, that becomes the only “moral” and decent thing to do. Any other course becomes unthinkably ignoble. But Jefferson and all other real moralists said Suvival is the first morality. Thus our most Educated are now simply the most Programmed. An insane situation.

  372. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Yes pure Asoka. But Zone and Kyoo are right too – it’s not easy to write in another style and create a new character. On the other hand, “she” knows us too well to be completely new here. Sure she could have been lurking for years, but that doesn’t seem in her character. And why come out now, just as Asoka disappears?

  373. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    How about you? Where do you stand? You can’t see it because it’s all around you –
    ============
    The Jews do exactly what you wish Whites would do: They exclude the great unwashed OTHER and take care of old #1. And the Jews are so successful at it it really pisses you off.
    You seem never to have figured out how they got to the top in finance, media, medicine, violin, etc. in numbers out of all proportion to their percentage of the population … that it was due to smarts, ambition and genetic exclusion. Incredibly, YOU blame THEM for arranging that Whites don’t do the same. THEY haven’t arranged for us to be stooopid. WE’VE done it all by ourselves. We’ve made our own bed and now we must lie in it.

  374. Rhino February 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Seems that “Carol” has a bit of a superiority complex. Calls us dullards. Last week I invited her to make herself scarce but apparently she declined my invitation.
    “Carol” paints a self portrait as this fearless crusader. Well, on the internet you can say anything you like. “Carol” says she’s been fired over and over because she spoke truth to power. “Carol”, head held high, middle finger in the air as she’s escorted off the premises by corporate security goons.
    How about this alternate picture: “Carol” walking down the street kicking stones. Just another unemployed nobody, fired again, with steadily diminishing prospects, wondering how to pay the rent.
    Message to “Carol”
    You say things like “your world”. News flash baby, it’s “yours” too. Unless you live on another planet. You wanna talk about death and destruction? You live in the US? Are you a US citizen? It’s stolen land. Didn’t you know? So do this, self deport your ass. Oh wait, let me guess, you’re going to claim Amerindian descent. Yes, yes, you have a taste for bear meat. Yes, yes your Chickasaw grannie showed you how to cook it. Sure she did. On the reservation no less. Using a cast iron pot handed down from the days of the Trail of Tears. Sheesh, quite the heirloom.
    Let me suggest rather that you lived within this system and you personally benefitted. You use the internet, which after all was developed by some serious assholes. Billionaire assholes. Something like those people that you “put in their place”? So who are you to talk? Look at the founders of businesses whose products you’ve used all your life. Any saints among them? No? What’s that? Every last one you’d describe as il jerkoffo di tutti jerkoffi? Dear me, that’s pretty rough language. Yet you still buy their goods. Oh yeah right, you buy ethical coffee. Sure you do.
    Maybe you think you own the market on personal virtue? Guess what, nobody gives a damn. When TSHTF do you think that there will be scales of justice weighing out who was “good” and who wasn’t? Wakey wakey eggs ‘n bakey. Look at the long train of lamentable events in human history. Doesn’t matter whether you’re good or bad, young or old. During the Rape of Nanking, the Seige of Stalingrad, the London Blitz, the firebombing of Dresden, whoever got in the way got toasted.
    Let me suggest “Carol” that you have been complicit in this grand scheme of of economic and institutional plunder, you have been a collaborator in the military/industrial complex. The complex took from you and you took from the complex. Just like all of us. And you did it knowingly. Admit it. The internet is the place for deception. But don’t engage in self deception “Carol”. You are guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Guilty as anybody. Do the right thing, confess your guilt.
    And, even if you aren’t guilty, the cruel penis of fate is indifferent. When it all comes crashing down you will be just as fucked as the rest of us.

  375. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    I hope you agree that in the interest of equality, women should have to register for the draft. Surely they should have to share the duties not just the privledges of equality?
    Equally, we must realize that nobility is virtually non-existent in the fairer sex. They will avoid any and all duties and unpleasantness if they can get away with it. Women join the military for the career benefits. The drive for women in combat is for the career advancement. They don’t care if the can’t do, just lower the standards. So what if the American Military becomes inferior as long as they can advance. And of course, many women “find” themselves pregnant before deployment. This will only increase and drastically as the risk increases.

  376. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    Lie in it? To the point of allowing ourselves to be genocided? I appreciate you candour – you’ve never admitted this much before. And surely, I’ve posted countless time on White stupidity in this regard. But even the patriotards have noticed this time, in regards to the gun grab. They love their guns even more than they love the Jews. No other issue can bring them together with White Nationalists or “Nahtsies” to these morons.

  377. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    To Carol Newpriss:
    Malth is apparently meant to serve in lieu of Malthus, but this lazy-ass Janos can’t be bothered to type two more letters.
    Hey, it’s just a chat board, Carol. (Sorry about contracting “it is,” m’am.) You don’t like Americans? We are your descendents. Where’s the parental love? Even tribal loyalty?
    Goodness gracious.
    Hey, we Americans are creative at least. You can find something to like about your racial family? (Improper grammar to give you something to do.)
    Anyhoo, lady, I think your complaint against Janos has to be called a pritchy pirot into pointless pettiprigging, not to mention massive pifflewhittling, plus an obnubilation of the fact that he is a stellar poster.
    I wrote this post in lieu of being nice to you, since you were not nice to him. Tribal loyalty.

  378. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    Great post. Amazing how Liberal/Leftists become “omniscient” narrators or “invisible” witnesses when they get into this kind of fantasy. They forget they will be fully fleshed characters in the Novel when that bloody chapter opens.

  379. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

    Which is why you are so gleeful at the prospect OF that violence and genocide.
    ==========
    Not true. Whereas the character Steve worships the Corporation and his corpulence is symbolic of that, I worship irony. It’s a good thing to worship, too, because it’s ubiquitous, and it’s free. When I am reading the tea leaves, I am gleeful of the irony they contain, and that irony is that the same military that forced my mother and father to pay tribute to it via their hard-earned income so knobs like CD could float around the Caribbean raping Island girls at will and sliding from one drunken rampage to the next like privileged frat boys, will now descend upon those of you who continue to defend its current existence and pretend it’s something other than a mercenary force for the Plutocratic Oligarchy. That which you manifested, is now before you. You were gleeful whilst it served your purposes, and now that it’s not, well, too late. You danced with the devil, and now that demon is going to get its due.

  380. ComradeDystopia February 15, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

    Think of women soldiers living in the filthy, sepsis drenched trenches of the Western Front of 1917, or at Iwo Jima, or at Normandy in 1944. Do they think warfare is going to be any less bloodless, more sanitary, more ‘fair’ in the 21st century? It most likely will be worse. Putting the ladies out there beggars all sense.
    ==CD

  381. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    “Please, international lurkers, have mercy on us. Not all of us are like him. Janos, Janos, Janos, how many times do you have to be told, it’s you’re, not your. Shame on you, you lazy racist bigot.”
    After “told” a color or a period would have been more grammatically correct. Not to mention thoughtful and intelligent. This, further, would have informed you that “it’s” needed to start with a capital.
    Long live the peoples!
    Love your people!
    One must be a racist to express the above beautiful sentiments. (Yes, they are above beautiful, Ms. Newpriss.)
    Goes to show that when you adopt the lexicon of genocidalist J/ws (Trotskey et al) — your mind does rot. A possibility mentioned by the spectacular poster Janos in some other connection.

  382. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    Sounds kind of sexy to me. Sex is very closely related to death. Besides, what a great distraction it would have been in the trenches aside from booze. If enough women were in the trenches, perhaps enough of the men would have said, “you know what, screw you Sarg, I’d rather stay here and make love. You go ahead, I’m not fighting anymore.” Think how many lives would have been spared. Think of how pissed the Elite would have been. They wanted their sacrifice. That sacrifice was the blood of others. They would have been deprived of it. And yet, CD won’t support such deprivation. CD wants to ensure that the blood gets delivered. CD is a dolt. CD is not our friend. CD is in league with our captors.

  383. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

    “color”> “colon” (Just keeping Carol happy folks. My k.eyboard is miss-ing some keys, y’unerstan)

  384. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    Comment:
    But the men fight just the same, and on breaks, they rape the women. Needed to be pointed out.
    “make love” is an Americanism, a hippie euphemism for fornication, which is a more European term.
    “Booze” is likely an Americanism.
    Funny how sniffy Europeans are so quick to Americanize theyselves. (Not to mention Africanize themselves, see below.)
    And why the hell are you using an abbreviation “CD”? Isn’t that “lazy-ass” of you? (A third Americanism from her.)
    Just saying, Ms. Newquibble.

  385. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    For some reason, hanging at this place makes me want to watch 12 Angry Men again. I think every one of those men, aside from Henry Fonda’s character, is represented here. Kyooshtik comes the closest to that character, but it’s not a one for one match. In fact, Kyooshtik is too good for some of you maggots. I’m not sure why he posts here, or hangs here. Perhaps for the same reasons I do. Something to do with diamonds and rough. Or, needles in haystacks. And boredom. This place is interesting when you view it as satire. It cannot be taken seriously, or if you do, the only purpose it can serve is something to use besides Lunesta to get to sleep.

  386. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

    After “told” a color or a period would have been more grammatically correct. Not to mention thoughtful and intelligent. This, further, would have informed you that “it’s” needed to start with a capital.
    ==========
    Another unsubstantiated claim. I don’t think you’re right. It can be either a comma or a period. Go back and play in your sandbox like a good little angry boy. Don’t try to walk before you crawl. The crawling is a necessary step that should not be skipped. Or else, we get what you’ve done here.

  387. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    And why the hell are you using an abbreviation “CD”? Isn’t that “lazy-ass” of you? (A third Americanism from her.)
    =========
    When writing, you should consider your audience. Yes, it’s regretful that I have to dumb myself down for the likes of you, but it’s part of what makes me a considerate person. I know that’s difficult for you to grasp. It’s not your fault. You’ve been indoctrinated into a culture that lacks all basic consideration and encourages people to put their own selfish wants before all else. You can rise above that, but your first step in doing so, is to see that about yourself. You’re not there yet, and from the looks of it, you most likely never will be. That’s a pity.

  388. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

    You most definitely need a comma between “first” and “startling.” It should read as follows:
    The casualness with which every taboo is dealt is at first, startling.”

    This is patently incorrect, Me’me. If wanted to muck up his prose with needless commas (“is at first startling” is both direct and grammatically without flaw) — one would need to include a second comma after “dealt”:
    “…is dealt is, at first, startling.”
    Otherwise your grammar is no better than a mediocre 13-year-old schoolgirl, Ms. Newquibble.
    You are really no good at pettiprigging. Your main talent seems to be expressing mordant hate and vile wishes for your white descendents. (Kunstlerwurd in honor of James, whose prose I adore and who is a very nice fellow, too.)

  389. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    “When writing, you should consider your audience.”
    Oh, but you don’t suppose Janos does the same thing.

  390. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    R is for Rocket.

  391. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:29 pm #

    “Or else, we get what you’ve done here.”
    The comma after “else” is utterly superfluous, not to mention an inanity. Your many grammatical errors make you sound like an African American. Or an African-in-Europe as the case may be.

  392. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    Carol Newquist, preaching hypocritical rubbish to defend her nitpicking of grammar:
    “You’ve been indoctrinated into a culture that lacks all basic consideration and encourages people to put their own selfish wants before all else.”
    Basic consideration like this?
    Carol Newquist, expressing lusty pleasure at the thought of the racial genocide of her own people:
    “What is going to be of particular pleasure…I will laugh in your faces. You will deserve nothing less. You are going to get what’s coming to you, quite literally, in spades. Massive platoons of minorities with unprecedented firepower will descend on Red State “America” in a final, bloody purge of regressionists like yourself,…
    Note the “spades.” This creature poses as a white woman but it lusts for black men to kill white men. (In states where the Scottish, English, or Irish would have relatives.)
    …and maybe then, our species will finally be able to socially evolve.
    Evolve to be genocidal massacre artists, and perhaps one brown race lacking distinct peoples with distinct features and qualities! Carolian evolution!

  393. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    A comma, amongst other things, is used to denote a pause, so no, it is not superfluous. Perhaps it’s your inability as an unsophisticated reader to use it as a cue for the aforementioned, but, of course, you’d never admit to that. Instead, you’ll continue to drag your knuckles and slap lipstick on your pig. Really, go cool yourself off in the shower. Lord only knows how many millions, or is it billions, of possible babies you’ve spilled in the sewer system. You ignored their barely perceptible screams as they swirled down the shower drain on their way to the ocean. Thank you for your service.

  394. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    Everytime women urinate they are destroying our capacity to survive. Their birth controled hormones bleed into the water table and lower male sperm counts.
    So many couples have to adopt. And why not be fashionable and get a non-White pet? Then all the other moms will ooh and aah and feel envious. What’s not to love?
    I read a great article I’ll try to look for. Men on the Front have to take a shit right in front of other men. There might not be much in the way of toilet paper either. After three weeks on the front in Iraq, they finally came back to base. First order of business: strip them down and hose their disgusting bodies down. No bath for three weeks either. Ladies, you wouldn’t have a problem with any of this would you? Carol? Dee? Be?

  395. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

    So do this, self deport your ass. Oh wait, let me guess, you’re going to claim Amerindian descent. Yes, yes, you have a taste for bear meat. Yes, yes your Chickasaw grannie showed you how to cook it. Sure she did. On the reservation no less.
    ===========
    Your sarcasm is getting better by the day, Rhino.

  396. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    “A comma, amongst other things, is used to denote a pause, so no, it is not superfluous.
    “Otherwise” is the same kind of structure as “or else.” Do you always place a comma after every use of “otherwise”? To do so is adolescent and nothing more but a bad personal writing habit you picked somewhere, Ms. Newquibble.

  397. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

    Their birth controled
    ========
    It’s controlled, not “controled.” Where’s Julian? Oh, that’s right, he’s up your ass, or you’re up his. Sockpuppets are that way.
    Also, there should be a comma between “this” and “would.” “Americans” don’t like commas. They’re too lazy to use them, and they justify that laziness by calling commas superfluous and inane. Yet another example of how they like to put as much lipstick on their pig as it can possibly support. It doesn’t hide the smell, though. The stink reaches every corner of the globe despite the lipstick.

  398. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    Perhaps it’s your inability as an unsophisticated reader to use it as a cue for the aforementioned, but, of course, you’d never admit to that.
    This is a run-on sentence with too many commas. A decent writer would have broken it in two with a period after “aforementioned.” He would not have used a comma after “but,” or a comma after “of course.” Both are superfluous. An educated person (if he wanted to include your hyperbolistic verbiage), would have written this:
    Perhaps it’s your inability, as an unsophisticated reader, to use it as a cue for the aforementioned. But of course you’d never admit to that.
    See how much nicer that reads, Ms. Newpriss? Not to mention less pretentious and not giving the appearance of a black overdoing things to sound intelligent? Note that you had commas in places where they were unneeded; but omitted them where they were, Mr. Sophistication.
    “Really, go cool yourself off in the shower. Lord only knows how many millions, or is it billions, of possible babies you’ve spilled in the sewer system. You ignored their barely perceptible screams as they swirled down the shower drain on their way to the ocean. Thank you for your service.
    A very American-speak paragraph there, and very off-topic.
    So I take it you have had an abortion and have feelings about it. Or perhaps you are one of those male bird dogs and this paragraph is intended to soften your thoughts of how many of your own progeny you have had offed?

  399. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    This is a run-on sentence with too many commas. A decent writer would have broken it in two with a period after “aforementioned.” He would not have used a comma after “but,” or a comma after “of course.” Both are superfluous. An educated person (if he wanted to include your hyperbolistic verbiage), would have written this:
    ==========
    It’s a matter of taste and style, not a matter of right and wrong. You appear to be using the flexibility of grammar as a straight jacket. I appreciate both styles, but I prefer my style when I’m writing. Call it whatever you like. If it’s “uneducated” and “adolescent” to you, so be it. That’s your impression. Thankfully, you’re not representative of 99.9% of the population. Otherwise, publishers would have nothing to publish and no one would ever write. Go back to your hole in the ground you racist scum.
    The last sentence has no commas just for you. Baby has to have all his veggies creamed for him. He doesn’t like to chew.

  400. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    Carol Newquist:
    “It’s controlled, not “controled.”
    It’s a trait of blacks on web boards to fuss over grammatical errors and even typos as a strategy to mark racially aware whites as “unintelligent.” Yet Janos is obviously intelligent and you can’t use correct grammar.
    Where’s Julian?
    Right here.
    Oh, that’s right, he’s up your ass, or you’re up his.
    Males are more likely to refer to the hind regions, I’d note. Not ladies propping up European sensibilities. The phrase has a black feel as well.
    “Sockpuppets are that way.”
    Funny. I’m actually posting in my real name; you’re likely an African-American male posting as “Carol Newquist.” Which is a rather funny prospect.
    Also, there should be a comma between “this” and “would.” “Americans” don’t like commas…blah…blah…
    Americans like commas fine. You use commas in the wrong places, omit them where they are needed, and use too many. Too many commas are the mark of an amateurish or juvenile writer. Or they betray an attempt to appear erudite. Consult the writing of Kunstler to learn about the correct use of commas and the avoidance of superfluous commas. He is a canny writer.
    I would further note that this one’s “lipstick on a pig” metaphor is very American, and is typically used by males, and especially by blacks. The average White European woman, for example, has no particular animosity toward either lipstick or cute little pigs and would not be inclined to disparage either one.

  401. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    “It’s a matter of taste and style, not a matter of right and wrong.”
    How “European” is that? Please.
    Before you were one Miss White European English Pedagog from Literature 103, correcting errors. (Wrong things.) Most of which were not errors in the first place, I have to add.
    Now you talk like one of those New Math “progressive” teachers in the American inner city who try to make the black and other failing students feel more comfortable in school with a new educational “no right or wrong” ethos. It’s all style. How black is that?

  402. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    “Carol Newquist,” who poses as a European and ostensibly white female, has the following writing characteristics:
    — It doesn’t write like a woman, but a man.
    — It doesn’t express anything like a European attitude.
    — It uses a plenitude of American figures of speech, including a great many black American ones.
    — It attacks one of the few Whites on this board who believes that Whites have ethnic interests like everybody else.
    — It tries to establish authority by pointing to spelling errors, grammatical errors both imagined and real, and innocent typos.
    — It has no grammar skills itself.
    I rest my case.

  403. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    Most of which were not errors in the first place, I have to add.
    ==========
    Speaking of superfluous, you could have ended the sentence by placing a period after “place.” “I have to add” is not necessary, and is “the mark of an amateurish or juvenile writer.” That’s your entire life though, isn’t it Julian? You’ve never held the mirror to yourself. You know you would crack it.
    Who am I Julian? I’m that mirror, and the whole lot of you are cracking up.

  404. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

    “Carol Newquist,” who poses as a European and ostensibly white female, has the following writing characteristics:
    ===========
    An unsubstantiated claim based off of unsubstantiated claims made by others. Where do you get this? I’ve never said one thing about who or what I am. Everything that’s been said about me is not only pure projection, but also absurdly irrelevant. I see you post at theoccidentalobserver and Kennysideshow. Egads!! I feel dirty even talking to you. You’re a creep. God forbid a woman ever find herself alone in your presence.

  405. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    “Carol Newquist” can’t keep its persona straight. Here it’s writing to Progress4Conserving:
    “Which is why you are so gleeful at the prospect OF that violence and genocide.”
    Now “Carol Newquist” to somebody else:
    “What is going to be of particular pleasure…I will laugh in your faces…Massive platoons of minorities with unprecedented firepower will descend on Red State “America” in a final, bloody purge…
    This one’s more interesting: “Carol Newquist” responding to an account of violent urban rioting, destruction, and burning by people in loincloths:
    “Sounds kind of sexy to me.
    Women tend to value security and don’t take any pleasure in chaos, riots, or destruction. (‘Tram Lady’ Emma West of England had recently had her neighborhood of Croydon, where she was trying to raise an English boy, burned and rioted — and we heard her express herself about that shortly afterward. She didn’t find it “sexy.”)Does a “White European female” find riots and violence “sexy”? I don’t even think the most errant female antifa of Seattle actually likes the violence she may witness or finds it “sexy.”
    Then it said this:
    “Sex is very closely related to death.”
    (Comment: Yes, it damages the male just like death.)
    This as a preface for positive visualizations about having sex with female soldiers right on the battlefield. Now, who would be likely to have positive visualizations about women having sex with men in the military? A woman? Or a black male? (Hint: If not sure, look at who-rapes-who in the military, and how often, and how the average white woman in Europe views that it.)

  406. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    The following is to correct an error I made in a post (“does” instead of “doesn’t”), which makes it consistent, obviously, with all my other posts here. A troll type, apparently obsessed with me, hoisted the typo and put it in his signature.
    =========
    Let’s play Guess Who Wrote It. Any guesses? Let’s apply Julian’s (very feminine name) unique grammar rules to the sentence above, and see what we get.

  407. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    I must say, there have appeared today on the blog the niftiest bunch of insults I have seen in 4.6 years. Thanks to all involved. You know who you are.

  408. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

    Is the following a male, or a female?
    What Am I?
    Pat? Welcome to androgyny? Yuck!!

  409. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    Femme Bot said:
    An unsubstantiated claim based off of unsubstantiated claims made by others. Where do you get this?
    ***************************************************************
    You are not only illogical but you are also a hypocrite. How many unsubstantiated claims have you made about me ALONE? You’ve painted me as a fat guy who drives a Denali and beats his wife. You’re not only oh-for-three but comically so.
    It’s hilarious to see you get righteous indignation over someone else using the same rhetorical tactic as yourself.
    E.

  410. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    “…based off of…”
    This is American phrasing, and typical of an average high school age male.
    “…unsubstantiated claims made by others. Where do you get this?”
    I have not seen what anybody else said about you. I rarely come here, and just noticed you this morning. My view of you is based on your writing alone. (Not based “off.”)
    …but also absurdly irrelevant.
    Again, adolescent hyperbole, and very American.
    I see you post at theoccidentalobserver and Kennysideshow. Egads!!
    Never heard of Kennysideshow. But TheOccidentalObserver is a wonderful site, if a bit scholarly. I recommend it.
    I feel dirty even talking to you. You’re a creep.
    Says the one who lusts to see the massacre of white people in whole states of the U.S. And says the male who poses as a female, accepting and toying with the stir and interest by males here.
    I notice you have never contradicted or denied my charge or even attempted to contradict it.
    “God forbid a woman ever find herself alone in your presence.
    It is good to see your persona breaking down; you speaking of women as different than yourself. Also good to see you resort to tangential distractions.
    Don’t think that next time you post here under another name your Black American writing “style” won’t be easily noticed again.

  411. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

    Femme Bot said:
    I will take no pleasure in the suffering, but I will take pleasure in knowing that you and your ilk can no longer dole out any pain, suffering, death and destruction that you have been for hundreds of years.
    ****************************************************************
    Then you should live in a grass hut in the Veldt in Africa with no indoor plumbing, no stove, no refrigerator … nothing. Everything in your house was invented not only by a white male which must really chap your hide. Everything.
    As for doling out “suffering, death, and destruction” you show ignorance of the fact that genocide, even TODAY, is a way of life in several parts of the Dark Continent of Africa.
    You know, I’m beginning to think you just might be ASOKA. This “noble savage worship” and hatred of the white man sure sounds like his [i]modus operandi[/i].
    E.

  412. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    I agree with you Carol. For example, the use of a comma can be likened to a speed bump -I can’t recall where I read that wonderful observation. So if a writer wants to slow his readers down in order to emphasize a point, bring out the speed bumps. But, perhaps, a comma is not such a good thing, in this instance, to slow down the pace, before placing before a colon.
    A colon likes it quick and fast: Deep to feel the emphasis!

  413. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 4:55 pm #

    5′ 9″, 175 lbs.
    ==============
    What a waif!! Put some meat on them bones. It would explain your character and attitude. You’re overcompensating for your lack of stature. Short Man Syndrome. Napoleon Complex. I bet Napoleon played chess. In fact, I know he did, and when he played he used living pieces that bled. Too bad you can’t do the same.

  414. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    Newquist said:
    Whereas the character Steve worships the Corporation and his corpulence is symbolic of that,
    **************************************************************
    Given that fat people seem to have as much variety of taste and allegiance as thin people, I find your use of obesity as a LITERARY DEVICE to be jejune.
    Corpulence is “symbolic” of eating more calories than one burns off. I think it’s safe to say that your novel has about as much chance of being the next “Babbitt” as the sun has of going supernova tomorrow.
    E.

  415. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 5:02 pm #

    Black men are always telling White women that they are too thin; that theey should be fatter, and they want them to have giant, egg-like protruding butts like black women have.
    Just saying.

  416. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

    Q. said:
    The short-form beatdown (which I am surprised has not already appeared) made famous by Mistified would comprise a brief sentence or two ending with “you are a FUCKTARD and a MORON.”
    ***************************************************************
    Yes, there’s that, too!! 🙂
    E.

  417. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    CN said:
    What a waif!! Put some meat on them bones. It would explain your character and attitude. You’re overcompensating for your lack of stature. Short Man Syndrome. Napoleon Complex. I bet Napoleon played chess. In fact, I know he did, and when he played he used living pieces that bled. Too bad you can’t do the same.
    **************************************************************
    Are you really this stupid and sophomoric? Sorry. It’s a rhetorical question.
    E.

  418. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    I agree. Too many commas will make it choppy and impede the flow. Like everything else, strategically placed moderation is the key. I must admit that I shy away from the colon and the semi-colon. I’m not sure why this is. In fact, I believe I unconsciously write to avoid its use, and only ever realize it after the fact. It’s something I need to look into with greater introspective depth.
    By the way, for anyone who is interested, I watched two excellent movies last night that still have a lingering impression on me. They are as follows:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119893/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100470/

  419. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:13 pm #

    CN said:
    It cannot be taken seriously, or if you do, the only purpose it can serve is something to use besides Lunesta to get to sleep.
    ***************************************************************
    Freud labelled this “projection”. Nobody takes YOU seriously except Q. and if you see above he now has you as a “fucktard and a moron” with which I heartily agree. Perhaps instead of making the mistake of trying to reason with a fact-free debater, I should use Fabian’s old methods and just call you scatological names. It seems not only appropriate but fair since that’s about all you do to us.
    Don’t you get it, dummy? You think you’re maiming our egos with your absurd screeds but we’re having even more fun parodying you. I find you to be one of the easiest targets I’ve ever seen on CFN. At least fish in a barrel can swim.
    E.

  420. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    Corpulence is “symbolic” of eating more calories than one burns off.
    ===========
    This is not a surprising comment coming from you. It’s reflective of an person who is impaired with Asperger’s Syndrome. Unfortunately, because of the rise of computers, and therefore programming, we have this deficiency breeding in large numbers. I don’t think it’s the way we should evolve, but it may just turn out that way. A world built by computers, rather than by hand.
    Riddle me this. Someone comes to the comments section of a blog where the blog’s author has repeatedly said the world of tomorrow, whenever that may be, will be a world built by hand, and yet this visitor has the temerity to brag that he has taught “ten thousand well” when all he has taught them is how to program a computer. How does teaching students programming fit into a world made by hand? It doesn’t, and therefore, you have not taught them well.

  421. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    CN said:
    Is the following a male, or a female?
    ***************************************************
    Who cares?
    E.

  422. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    Who cares?
    ============
    Not me. Not anymore.

  423. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    “To open our borders is an act of hatred against the American People. And if not motivated by hatred, it could only be motivated by extreme self interest and indifference to our well being.”
    If extreme self interest is hate against “the whole” then I would agree with you. But self-interest is more or less the economic philosophical foundations of the country.
    I’m sure you recall that most of The Republicis devoted to refuting Thrasymachus’ contention that extreme self interest is the way to go; the unjust argument,in other words. So a little self interest here, and a little there, interspersed with some high power types wielding the metaphorical equivalent of the Ring of Gyges, and the next thing you know “The Whole’ is punctured.
    And lets face it, the “Thrasymachus Model” is basically our model filtered through the likes of Payne et al. In other words, how could ‘The Whole ever hope to survive the inevitable punctures that were built into the equation from the get-go?
    So, I don’t know about your use of “hate”. You seem to be using after the fact, as if it is racially motivated and I’m not buying that line of reasoning.

  424. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    “Is the following a male, or a female?
    First your Black Male was showing too much.
    Now your gay Black male is showing a bit much.

  425. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    sounds like his [i]modus operandi[/i].
    ===========
    E, to italicize you need to use (greater than) symbols as your brackets. Ditto for bolding, block quoting, etc.

  426. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    Dummy, I taught math, too, but I guess you figure that’s a peripheral art. I prepared people for a huge variety of possible futures.
    No, I don’t have Asperger’s Syndrome but it shows that you’re just reaching for any available insult that free associates into your unimaginative cranium. You’re a venal femme who’s disappointed because she hasn’t achieved or gotten recognition. That’s why you come here acting like a princess. It’s a SHTICK. You’re a PAUPER with lousy writing but the temerity to think you’re a would-be author.
    Sorry, we know you got your tiara at a pawn shop.
    E.

  427. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    Q., my use of [i] was an old habit from another blog where they replaced HTML angle brackets with []. Just a habit.
    E.

  428. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    The black male “Carol Newquist” and the black male “Buck’s a Stud” (note the cocky name; think “the big dick meme” etc.) — are an African-American tag team now trying desperately to create impressions of intelligence for one another.
    What a downgrade to this board. Even all of “Carol’s” attempts at grammar policing, alone. Enough please.

  429. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    E, to italicize you need to use (greater than) symbols as your brackets. Ditto for bolding, block quoting, etc.
    =========
    Correction:
    Amazing how the system will not allow the use of those symbols that point to the left and the right. I’m speaking of the symbols on the same keys with the comma and period. Use THEM as brackets.

  430. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    BTW, the following is the Ring of Gyges argument from “The Republic”:
    Glaucon posits:
    Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.
    Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust.
    For all men believe in their hearts that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong or touching what was another’s, he would be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another’s faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice.
    — Plato’s Republic, 360b-d (Jowett trans.)

  431. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Even all of “Carol’s” attempts at grammar policing, alone.
    ===========
    Using your unique rules of grammar, you should not have that comma.

  432. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

    Oh no. Here comes an MLK plagiarism fest for damage control.
    I come here mainly to read Jim’s article and the wonderful and brave posts of Janos. Didn’t mean to get these two African Americans working overtime posting Smart Sounding Copy-Pastes.

  433. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    It was unnecessary indeed, but not an error. I left it out initially, but wanted it for emphasizing the fact that your grammar policing, alone, is a downgrade of these threads not-to-mention your absurd pose as a White female, your agenda to attack good posters, and your colleague’s copy-paste foisting of high fallootin’ writings by philosophers.

  434. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    It sounds as if you haven’t read the entire thread of comments. If you had, you would have realized that Janos makes reference to Plato quite frequently. So my response was specifically pointed to him…and the Plato copy/paste was only to add some context to my response and dialogue with Janos.
    But now you express remorse for the state of the dialogue after interjecting your snotty, rude commentary?
    Actually, it would be quite interesting to read your take on a relevant topic, beyond the drive-by gutter-snipping that suggests you are more “Ghetto” and “Gangsta’ like in spirit than those you accuse of being “African-American”.
    And I imagine Janos is cringing about now, after reading your derisive comment about “high fallootin” philosophers. Just a little advice Jules for whatever its worth: Janos doesn’t need a boot-licking sycophant cheering from the monkey cage .

  435. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    I must admit that I shy away from the colon
    ============
    Yeah, me too, ever since our former Governor, Jim McGreevey fessed up to being a fudge packer.
    ;o) I couldn’t resist.

  436. Eleuthero5 February 15, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    A full summary of “Carol Newquist”. Whoever (or whatever) “she” is, these people are a dime a dozen in San Francisco, Berkeley, Santa Cruz, Boulder, and Santa Fe. They group up into their little CLAQUES and congratulate each other for not “buying into the system”.
    Actually, the emotion of ENVY haunts them because they are invariably nonentities, even in the artistic worlds they inhabit. They could never make it in anybody’s “system” and so they group together to try to heal their macerated egos by affirming the “greatness” of one another.
    E.

  437. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    You know E, that sounds like the makings for an interesting and hilarious novel. I have a request: gives us an opening paragraph, if, for nothing else, to show us how its done. After all, criticism without correction/demonstration is pretty empty and mean.
    And since you self describe as an “aesthete” I am sure you can deliver the goods. Besides, it’s so post-modern cliche to be a slicing critic when one can’t deliver the goods they so expertly critique. And we all now how you feel about post-modern culture.
    What do you say E?

  438. Carol Newquist February 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    Ha!! That’s the risk you run when you live in proximity to Hershey. It’s just up the highway from New Joyzee.

  439. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    “than those you accuse of being “African-American”.
    So is “African American” an insult already? What’s the next term gonna be? As an insider, maybe you know.
    And I imagine Janos is cringing about now, after reading your derisive comment about “high fallootin” philosophers.
    Janos speaks offhand and with ease when referencing philosophy. A different thing than copy-pastes and long word-dumps that reach for every arcane term possibly rather than seeming a part of any conversational flow. I’m talking about you.
    Janos doesn’t need a boot-licking sycophant cheering from the monkey cage.
    Useless trick. He gets attacked a lot here; some posts the other way are in order. Good White Men are happy to defend one another, and to praise.
    Why are you reaching for the word “monkey” all of the sudden. I suppose you thought you needed to touch upon it preemptively. No need. I am not rude to negroes. I think it’s not very nice.
    Now, your friend lusting over a bloody genocide of Whites while pretending to be a White
    European female, or visualizing the battlefield as a place where he could copulate with White women — that’s not nice at all.

  440. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

    “It’s just up the highway from New Joyzee.
    Says the “white English lady from the U.K.”

  441. ront February 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

    The new American pastimes: Skeet shooting and drone executions.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGXecV6OlJs

  442. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    “…share the duties not just the privledges of equality…” -janos, on drafting females-
    JS, is that a riff on Jesus?
    He knows how to spell privilege, I suspect.
    Anyway, I agree with you, more or less, concerning women in combat and drafting women. The US couldn’t even hold the draft together for Vietnam, once the reality of that war hit the middle/upper class consciousness. Too many deferrals, too much politics, too easy to escape into the National Guard.
    (Has anyone other than me wondered if BushII shat upon the National Guard so badly – in some sort of subconscious desire to boost his OWN manhood and his own “military” “service?”)
    So, no JS, this business of “women in combat” is a simpleminded extrapolation from the dual drivers of an “all-volunteer military,” and the (relatively) low-risk nature of present day US military operations.
    =====================
    On another issue, JC, you do have a skewed view of women – and it stems from a profound negativity in your heart, or somewhere.
    “Equally, we must realize that nobility is virtually non-existent in the fairer sex. They will avoid any and all duties and unpleasantness if they can get away with it.”
    JS, you’re never going to get a date with an attitude like this, man. ;0)

  443. Kyooshtik February 15, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

    I think I have stirred up a hornet’s nest. The niggling pedant was MY shtick and MY shtick alone for 4+ years and now all hell has broke(n?) loose.
    Let me add two more of my cents regarding punctuation. It is as much art as it is science. I’ve tried to limit my published quibbles to instances where, say, a comma was definitely needed (like those last two I just used). As some of you have already noted, it’s all about creating pauses. Sometimes I feel a pause needs to be longer than a comma suggests and I will use 2 or 3 dots for this… ya know what I mean? I usually use a colon if I am going to follow it with an enumeration of two or more things. I don’t understand the semi-colon at all and almost never use one.
    I notice that in my own writing I tend to over-use commas and other punctuation to avoid potential criticism from commenters here who would like nothing better than an opportunity to get back at me for being such a pain-in-the-ass all these years. Simultaneously, I notice that people who write really well avoid excessive punctuation. They also avoid the unnecessary use of the word “that” (the bolded one above could be eliminated without harm to meaning) and “of.” (I can’t think of an example right now but will point one out when I encounter it.)

  444. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    “…that irony is that the same military that forced my mother and father to pay tribute to it via their hard-earned income so knobs like CD could float….” -Cluster Nation, aka “carol”-
    “Carol,” you just dropped another big clue.
    You’ve never paid taxes.
    Is that because you are so young?
    Or because you are so useless?
    =================
    And – someone must say – it goes without saying that if the cold war had ever gone “hot,” that ComradeD would have likely gotten his ass incinerated in a big hurry, out there in the Atlantic.
    Probably incinerated AT LEAST 30 minutes ahead of the rest of us civilians (which I was, at that time) on the mainland US. hahohe!

  445. progress4conserving February 15, 2013 at 7:07 pm #

    And – someone must say – it goes without saying (that*) if the cold war had ever gone “hot,” (that*) ComradeD would have likely gotten his ass incinerated in a big hurry, out there in the Atlantic.
    *Very interesting, K/Q.
    I’ll have to work on doing less of *.

  446. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    Janos: “Equally, we must realize that nobility is virtually non-existent in the fairer sex.”
    p4c: “you do have a skewed view of women – and it stems from a profound negativity in your heart, or somewhere.”
    It was the view of Buddha. And a few others. Have you ever married?
    In the past she, in her role as receptacle, was carrying a lot of male-seeded virtue of the ages. Kind of like a passive solar heating element hangs onto heat after a warm day, to hold it some through a cold night.
    But when he is unvirtuous, she becomes triply unvirtuous. When he becomes virtuous, she becomes virtuous. My view is that She is receptacle-like and follows the male. Notice how young women now MUST schlepp about uselessly with 4-foot long skateboards and let their pants sag. etc.
    After they both finally become virtuous, Woman tends to lean away from virtue a bit. She must, ever, be shown virtue by him.
    Every snut creates at least 10-20 sluts. Etc. Man must lead. But that in itself speaks to the fact that she is eminently corruptible.
    He’s basically right.

  447. Jam47 February 15, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    The thrashing you’re administering to Newquist is one she brought on herself. But in the name of fairness (and to exercise my tendency to grammatical pedantry) I’m going to correct one of your corrections.
    “Perhaps it’s your inability as an unsophisticated reader to use it as a cue for the aforementioned, but, of course, you’d never admit to that.”
    You call this a run-on sentence. It isn’t. It’s a compound sentence in which each of the independent clauses is joined by the co-ordinating conjunction “but.” Moreover, to make each clause a separate sentence would weaken the intended close connection between the first clause and the second.
    The comma after “aforementioned” can go; three commas in quick succession make the sentence fussy. The commas that mark off “of course” are there to mark a pause. It’s best that they remain.
    The run-on sentence makes me cringe as much as it would any other grammar maniac. But to say that a sentence runs-on when it doesn’t is to commit grammatical libel. Those who hate the idea that a language is generally improved by the use of its rules already have enough people on their side. Overall, though, Newquist does use too many commas.

  448. San Jose Mom 51 February 15, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    Eleuthero wins this week’s best comeback award. You are a cool one, my friend.

  449. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    Yes. Most of what you said I agree with. (It certainly can be called a run-on sentence.)
    Anyway, every prig poser attracts a genuine prig. Or maybe two in this case.
    Too many commas — partly in the attempt to be clear or from a lack of confidence about clarity — is both an amateur trait and the trait of one attempting to appear, shall we say, punctilious. (Educated.)
    But I’d rather talk about more interesting issues, and I have always known when a typo or misspelling by Vlad/Voda/Janos was nothing but those. To pounce on them as asinine and a cheap trick by unworthy opponents.

  450. Buck's A Stud February 15, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

    Julian Curtis Lee writes:
    ” A different thing than copy-pastes and long word-dumps that reach for every arcane term possibly rather than seeming a part of any conversational flow.”
    “Possibly rather than seeming”…don’t go out on any limbs there Jules; you might see your own shadow,fall down and go boom-boom.What a limp wristed bit of writing that was sweetheart…
    But on to the real point.
    You obviously haven’t read much philosophy if you think I use “…long word-dumps that reach for every arcane term…” I don’t and go read Kant if you need further evidence to contradict your false observation.

  451. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 9:52 pm #

    “Why are you so mean-spirited? You sure are a thorny rose. (Flirt line)
    It’s you and your friends here who are no “good” at verbal games. With few exceptions, you are a platoon of dullards, repeating the same tropes over and over again, ad nauseum…
    …You need to get out and about more, and intermingle. Open yourself to the diverse universe that surrounds us all. Let the light in,
    but also, don’t be afraid to embrace the darkness. Yes, every rose has its thorns, but don’t let your plentiful thorns obscure the potential beauty you have to offer.”

    Above:
    The “European lady” (English?), who is really a Black American male, flirts with a female on the board who he assumes is White.
    Now read his lines again. Do you really think all this effort and cajoling would come from a “European woman” to another woman?

  452. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    Yes, it is possible just to follow one’s self interest and trample people calmly. But few are capable of it. The old saying that we always hate those whom we have wronged is the usual case.
    Kindness to another often causes a flare up up in their ego. They can’t abide being in someone’s debt. Of course this is different than the parasite who feels no debt whatsoever.

  453. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Wonderful, young buck. You found one of my typos. (I usually have one in every post, just to give you something to do.) What a clever fellow!
    Now we have two blacks posting on this board whose chief occupation is spotting typos to give themselves some kind of boost.

  454. anti soak February 15, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Enough…this is too hilarious!
    In such troubled times, wars all over the world.
    I dunno if you have read all the posts of the last 12 days, if so you read CN [new RI] posting
    …get this….how attractive Roseanne Barr is.

  455. anti soak February 15, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    I doubt Buck is Black. I dont know too many Black males that do TaiChi.
    What difference does it make?

  456. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

    There is nothing really big (‘wars all over the world’). It’s all projected from your little body.
    And nothing small. The war taking place here on these kunstlerthreads is the war that interests me.
    And I would like to see, on behalf of myself and others, typo maids, bad ‘White Women’ actors, and digression masters-with-a-chip scatter to the outer darkness every few hour or so, perhaps for some Watermelon lean. Thus we might hear the storytellers around this little fire and actual posting could proceed.

  457. IxNoMor February 15, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    So is everyone still confused as to why Adolf Kramps whuz grading messages as “F”, “D” or ? No? *GOOD*.
    Otherwise, those pages of distractionary discussion would be no more than ?!…

  458. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 10:32 pm #

    “I doubt Buck is Black. I dont know too many Black males that do TaiChi.
    1) There are plenty of blacks, especially in the “hip” urban areas, who mess with such. 2) He of course would have said such a thing (and other things) to set up his disinfo persona to throw you off.
    What difference does it make?
    Question of the typical obedient moderne.
    Well, to use a little black talk, it let’s you know where they’re coming from. Esp. when racial subjects are at hand. Further, if a poster is being deliberately deceptive, it sheds further light on their moral authority as posters.
    So you think it is contentless if a poster sets himself up as a “white woman” then makes lots of searing anti-white and anti-American statements? Do you think that would be strategy-less on his part, in terms of the impression it creates?
    Or let me ask you something else: If a poster here had grown up in Tibet and was posting from Shanghai, would that fact have no meaning or even interest or meaning for you?
    Notwithstanding what your teachers have apparently taught you, All Things are not, in fact, meaningless.

  459. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    Well said and yes, thank you for your support. Whites should back each other up – all other things being equal of course. As Rabbi Hillel said, If I’m not for me, who will be? More and more Whites will come to realize this once they’ve realized we’ve lost our Civilization. And it goes far beyond just the United States. We’re going to be in the Wilderness for decades if not Centuries so we better start banding together. Start in the cyber world and then take it “state side”.
    Yes, men are born to lead and women follow. If men become incapable of leading, then women wont. So this may be our fault in some ways. In any case, we could of said no to the Temptations offered us but we did not.
    Buddha did yield to Annanda’s plea on behalf of women that they be allowed to join the Sangha. And He admitted that of course they did have Buddha Nature – just like all other beings. And that yes, they could attain it just as Men did though it would be rare indeed. But he said because of admitting them, the Sangha would not lost as long.
    All of this is anathema to West Coast Buddhists. There is a funny passage where Ken Wilber waxes bitter on the Dalai Lama’s rejection of anal sex. Funny and sad. The things these people get upset about! – and the things they don’t get upset about, little things like the death of the White Race.

  460. Janos Skorenzy February 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    I agree with Julian’s general extrapolation of my words. But I’ll expand a bit and offer a caveat. Have you not noticed the incredible amount of energy women put into looking good to others? Imagine if that all went into acually being good! Our whole culture is like this now. Janet Reno didn’t go into the office during the Waco Crisis: she didn’t want people to think there was a crisis. Management of perception is often an effective strategy. Sun Tzu says deception is war. And of course it exists in Nature. But conscious beings should know when they’re doing it and why. Otherwise it’s is Hobbe’s war of all against all. Imagine dating a hot chick, marrying her, and then she has no interest in sex anymore. She has you now and it was all an act. The sweats come on as do the lbs…
    As I have often said, Nature compensates women by giving them reserves of endurance and heroism in the function of Motherhood. This deserves our deepest respect which I gladly give when the duty is fufilled. And good women extend this nurturance to other children – as the teachers at Newtowne showed. To die defending the children of others is noble – so I was wrong there. Thus their virtue exceeds Nature and is their’s alone. The problem comes later when the children begin to devlop their individualities and don’t need nurturing in the same way. It’s time to let go and women teachers (90%+) begin to resent the boys for being more difficult and for not being young ladies. It’s then time for the boys to be taught by men.
    We have to go back to when women were controlled by shame. They have little guilt after all. That’s how to stop single motherhood. Change the divorce laws to stop enticing women to destroy men. Tempt not the weaker vessels.

  461. Julian Curtis Lee February 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    “Well said and yes, thank you for your support. Whites should back each other up – all other things being equal of course.”
    I have enjoyed your posts here for a long time. It’s the work of a Life. Speaking to the above, I have noticed you talking about an aspect of the culture of the White working class in which they mock each other and tear each other down. (Whereas the higher classes may be different.) Don’t know if it was something you read or your own observation, but it really rang true for me. Sheesh, how awful my male peers were with each other (and me) growing up.
    By contrast, sometimes in Portland on Saturdays there will be a little gaggle of Jews in one of the booths of a favorite coffee shops. It is after synagogue, apparently, and they have come to talk Jewish religion, talk Torah. There will be one who seems a leader. But I have had to observe, to my chagrin, a particular quality: Nobody mocks anybody. Nobody rudely contradicts anybody. Nobody talks down to anybody, or tears anybody down. Respect.
    I have tried to think whether I’ve seen a similar scene in all my days with White men discussing the Bible. I have to say I haven’t. All such discussions have involved one guy (the “right one,” the evangelist) talking down to others, browbeating them maybe, with “the truth” etc. Not a respectful discussion.
    (Another Bad Sign was seeing the frank courtship talk that goes on between Muslim men and Muslim women in these Portland coffee shops. They talk Turkey about marriage. Everything out on the table with family dreams front and center — and this from the men. You never hear White men and women go through this kind of vital courtship ritual.)
    Among all the serious troubles we have, there is that one: White — White men — need to develop the same attitude of respect and non-confrontational talk that these young Jewish men show to each other.
    I respect your posting. It’s also entertaining.
    By the way, James K. is one of my favorite writers. One of the most magical moments of my life was reading his “Home from Nowhere” on a seldom-taken airline flight from California to Iowa. I learn a new word every time I read Kunstler. Sometimes I wonder if he really Cares about the mitigation of carhell or whether it’s just a way to make fun of Gentiles, you know. But everything he says about the United States of Carsinomica is right, and what I was thinking by age 16.
    Jim has his Career Ruler (10th House Ruler) in the 12th house. Thus it is that his true desire and calling is as an artist (note his involvement with music), and in creating beauty. The 12th house is the house of fine art, and of rarefied, untouched, and beautiful places. So I could say that his passion is to help rarefied, beautiful places be part of the human experience. His real passion is beauty. That’s my take as an astrologer. Then because he is Scorpio Rising he is very blunt. Because the ruler (Pluto) sits at the top of the chart, fame has always been heavy on his mind — his own or that of others. Scorpio-Rising-ruled-from-10th also gives a lot of ambition to remake the world.
    I am a big fan of Jim’s, even though I would be described, I guess, as generally ‘anti-semitic’ by now.

  462. Eleuthero5 February 16, 2013 at 1:05 am #

    Buck,
    Nice try but you failed to taunt me into a response. I’ve written a huge volume of posts here on CFN over the years such that any REASONABLE person ought to be able to ascertain that I’m literate, I have a large fact base, and I’m going to use that fact base to support my arguments even if they reach conclusions that people don’t like.
    I’m not your circus chimp so I don’t owe you a “paragraph” of ANYTHING. You’re lucky I even dignified your taunt with a response. Nice ruse … trying to appear supportive of my war of words with Carol. There is no love lost between you and I.
    E.

  463. Eleuthero5 February 16, 2013 at 1:26 am #

    Well, Julian, the truth is that dogs don’t like cats, cats don’t like rodents, and lions don’t like gazelles. Tribal mistrust and disdain is as old as cavemen. It’s quite rational that you enjoy JIm’s writing yet you may well distrust his TRIBE at the same time. And his tribe doesn’t trust the goyim. That’s what’s missing from ALL dialog on racism/ethnocentrism i.e., that the “oppressed” tribes are just as racist as everyone else.
    However, social life is where a rational person gets to display his respect for the idiosyncrasies of the sovereign individual, whatever his tribe. Only liberals like Carol and Buck seem unable to wrap their heads around the idea that one can actually have fast friendships with people from ethnicities that they have trouble with AS A WHOLE.
    A refined individual, especially a true, old guard conservative, respects the sovereign above all else. It’s one of the things which made America utterly unique in the Colonial Era. In a sense, every person is an “exception to a rule” and these facets of a person make them distinct and interesting.
    When Janos, myself, Vlad, or anybody else writes about our problems with the TRIBAL (not INDIVIDUAL) behavior of any group, we are not talking about the smallest unit of that group: The individual. I, personally, have become disconsolate about the low-brow, “ghetto-ey” behavior of young whites with their prison chic garb and “muhfuggah” speaking style. Disconsolate because they are my people and I hate to see my people taking a path proven to lead to no good end.
    However, the knee-jerk nature of modern, Orwellian liberalism tends to close off speech and to try to remove all nuance from the positions others take on difficult subjects. Thus, to people like Carol, we’re either good guys or Nazis, lambs or beasts, oppressors or victims. There are no half measures. Yet REAL people are almost NEVER that cut and dried.
    I enjoy your writing and that of Janos. It’s nice to see good, and brave, rhetoric.
    E.

  464. Janos Skorenzy February 16, 2013 at 2:00 am #

    Good show. I like some of Buck’s stuff, but making these little requests is one of his insufferable qualities. He’s always demanding proof of of my racial views. I send him some and that’s the end of it. He never gives the least sign that’s he has read any of it. A few months ago I sent him an abbreviated pdf version of Phillipe Rushton’s classic on Race and Evolution -a small book in other words. Nuthin but crickets.

  465. Janos Skorenzy February 16, 2013 at 2:20 am #

    Yes, I mourn the dying of the Western Civilization. It’s bitter indeed to know that we wont see the end of this or a Renaissance in our life time. And in truth, I never saw America at its best. It was aleady decaying fast during my youth. How wonderful it must be to live in real Culture!
    I watched the Orthodox Jews coming out of Temple on the Sabbath. The men walked slowly like Lions. They had no place to go – no place they would rather be. They were Home – at the Center of their own Live and Univese. How different from Christians coming out of church hurrying to the parking lot. They have a million different things to do and places to go. We are defined not just by what we do but by we don’t do. The limitations Orthodoxy puts on its adherents creates power.
    What do you think of Kali Yuga? Sri Yukteshwar said the Vedic Astrologers made a mistake in the Middle Ages and made the Yugas far too long. The Orthodox point of view says things are going to get worse for another 420,000 years. Yukteshwar seemed to think we were coming out of it. I don’t know – 420,000 years seems too long. On the other hand, things are not getting better. The New Age Movement is cracked. I like the Neo- traditionalists like Guenon. Most of them ended up becoming Sufis. The feel the End of this Age is near – and the end of “this humanity”. Sure there will be a Renewal – but that’s after most of the living are no longer. Mohammad said two signs of the Hour would be very tall buildings and the two sexes becoming confused, wearing each others clothes. The descriptions of Kali Yuga also fit – I just don’t think the degeneration can last for such a long time.

  466. Janos Skorenzy February 16, 2013 at 5:07 am #

    Are you saying that she is a fucktard and a moron?

  467. ComradeDystopia February 16, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    I’ve been going thru this thread on a snowy Saturday morning E5, and it looks like this ‘Carol Newquist’, aka ‘Asoka, as well as a few other appellations, is getting under your skin. My advice is don’t waste your time on what amounts to nothing more than a trifling distraction.
    This dude is the consummate Ballbuster and provocateur. His role here is distinctly to get under your skin and piss you off. Ask Rhino and P2C about that.
    ==CD