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Smack Down Time

     What a humdinger last week was in a money world that is chugging toward maximum velocity and turbulence. Readers know (and may be sick of hearing) that I’m allergic to conspiracy theories, but my allergy is not absolute or total and there are excellent reasons to believe that the smack down of gold and silver was an orchestrated event. By whom? So far, in the opaque realm of paper gold sales, we don’t know, except that it was a 500-ton dump that set off the larger skid, and it is even quite possible, as one anonymous wag put it on James Sinclair’s website, that the buyer and seller were virtually the same entity — meaning that the probable naked short transaction only amounted to a mere bookkeeping jot when all was said and done. 
     Anyway, the 500-ton all-at-once dump could only be calculated to drive the price down. Any rational strategic sale of so much gold would be parceled out in smaller amounts over time so as not to drastically impair the sales revenue, as this sale did. And, by the way, who even has the roughly $25 billion holdings in paper gold besides a major government, a major central bank, or one of the Fed’s Too Big To Fail handmaidens (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley)? Or who could afford to eat the $billion-plus loss on the smacked-down sales value? In other words, the usual suspects. 
        I hate the term The Powers That Be, with its odors of recycled paranoia and lumpen extremism, but signs of collusion abounded last week. First, on Wednesday, Goldman Sachs issued an advisory to short gold as the price flirted with $1600/oz. Then on Thursday, The New York Times planted a front-page story headlined: “Gold, Long a Secure Investment, Loses Its Luster.” The story featured a quote by supreme market manipulator and world-class schmikler George Soros: “Gold was destroyed as a safe haven, proved to be unsafe,” Mr. Soros said in an interview last week with The South China Morning Post of Hong Kong. “Because of the disappointment, most people are reducing their holdings of gold.” 
     Well, there you have it. Soros sez: Gold = shit. If you get some on your shoe, scrape it off. All that set the stage for the Friday smack down. Notice how falling gold and silver prices make the US dollar look good — it takes fewer dollars to buy more precious metal. The dollar must therefore be sound! And this is in the interest of whom? Say, perhaps, a Federal Reserve busy systematically melting away the value of dollars through so-called quantitative easing (money “printing” or  promiscuous credit creation) plus financial repression (interest rate chicanery), and also a US government so deep underwater on its debt obligations that Treasury Secretary Jack Lew shares office space with the giant squid of the Aleutian Trench.
    To complicate matters, the day of the gold smash, rumors flew of a plan by the Cyprus government to sell off its relatively small gold holdings to pay off its EU debt — didn’t happen — but the rumor had the effect of further queering the gold price some more by implying that the EU would soon come calling on all the PIIGS nations to settle up their vigs with yellow metal.
    Thursday, interesting things happened in another ring of the circus. The novelty investment called Bitcoin, having developed a hockey-stick chart profile, shooting up from about $60 a month ago to $260, got smacked smartly back down to $60. It had been attracting a lot of attention as a shelter from international monetary shenanigans — and hypothetically as an eventual rival to funny-money central bank currencies. Bitcoin is a web-based species of virtual “money” invented by a shady character (or cohort of characters) called Satoshi Nakamoto whose true persona remains mysterious. Bitcoin’s supposed virtue is that it can’t be confiscated by governments — though experienced programmers know any website can be hacked — or otherwise meddled with, making it a more reliable store of value than the traditional “safe harbor” investments such as sovereign bonds and precious metals. Well, okay, but it raises a couple of questions: 1) Does the world need an even more abstract form of “money” than fiat currencies, CDOs, Fannie Mae promissory notes, and JC Penny stock? I don’t think so. If anything, the world needs more tangible instruments to represent a store of value, a medium of exchange, and an index of price. Bitcoin is little more than a bundle of algorithms. Granted, math helps with the management of money, but is math “money?” 2) what happens if you can’t get online to access your Bitcoin “wallet?” Is Bitcoin, after all, just another example of the techno-narcissism infecting contemporary culture?
     That idea is just off the radar screens of Bitcoin pimps such as Jon Matonis of Forbes Magazine who said last week that “civilization won’t regress to the state of having no electricity.” Really? You think so? Just watch. Electric grids all over the world are aging and decrepit — the USA’s in particular — and the capital is not there to renovate them. And perhaps you haven’t noticed the gathering scarcity problem with fossil fuels. You bet society could regress to, first, spotty electrical service and then possibly no electricity at all in many places. But that is an extreme case because in the meantime all it would take is a “denial of service” incident to render Bitcoin useless — and the mysterious Mr or Ms Nakamoto him/her/itself induced a half-day time-out in Bitcoin last week, taking its Mt.Gox trading platform off-line.
     The week ahead in world money matters looks bloody and gruesome. Japan is committing financial hara-kiri by central bank desperation. In artificially suppressing the gold price, the American Powers That Be (yccchhh….) give China, Russia and other rivals the opportunity to buy gold cheaply, and to do so by dumping some of their US Treasury holdings, weakening the dollar’s international exchange value — which the gold smack down was supposed to enhance! China and Russia have both been steadily accumulating their gold holdings in plain sight, with the possible motive of backing currencies with more appeal in international trade settlements than the dodgy US dollar.
     The weeks ahead could be a bloodbath for the four horsemen of monetary apocalypse: the dollar, the Japanese yen, the Euro, and Great Britain’s pound — that is, the core of the so-called advanced economies of the world. What a prankster history is! 
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765 Responses to “Smack Down Time”

  1. jim e April 15, 2013 at 8:09 am #


  2. PRD April 15, 2013 at 8:11 am #


  3. budizwiser April 15, 2013 at 8:15 am #

    I would guess it is NOT coincidence that money is also known as currency.
    And the world is indeed need of a replacement….

  4. mdl17576 April 15, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    I checked the metals prices this morning after not checking them for about a week. Then I wiped the coffee off my monitor and checked CFN. In addition to Russia and China buying PMs, I think I will use this opportunity to stack some extra physical silver. During the past weekend I moved to a new location that will give me about 200 square feet to practice gardening. Fingers crossed that I don’t need that practice right away…

  5. Termoil April 15, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    Nothing on the DPRK?

  6. anonymouser April 15, 2013 at 8:35 am #

    Big inaccuracy there, sorry. The Bitcoin network was never down and in fact was never under attack. A currency trading site (MtGox) was swamped by orders. There’s a big difference, in that you could still spend or receive BTC at will.
    Also, at least in theory, you can keep your BTC hoard on a piece of paper, as it is just a long number. Not a very long one, either. Just long-ish.

  7. anonymouser April 15, 2013 at 8:36 am #

    Oh and Satoshi has nothing to do with MtGox.

  8. Neon Vincent April 15, 2013 at 8:37 am #

    At the same time that Bitcoin collapsed and the world finally noticed that gold had been sinking and wasn’t going back up again, the Dow Jones Industrials and S&P 500 set another nominal record. Looks like the money is sloshing around from investment to investment, blowing up new bubbles as the old ones deflate. I’m still looking for the stock market to top out, which means there may not be any more bubbles for a while.
    While I had multiple tabs open to stories about gold, Bitcoin, and the stock market, I never got around to writing about the topic. Instead, I followed National Blog Posting Month’s prompts about gardening and green thumbs. One of my favorites from last week was a review of HOUR Detroit’s stories on creating a leaner, greener Detroit, from green infrastructure to urban gardening and keeping green spaces such as Palmer Park and Tiger Stadium maintained. And to think that HOUR is a lifestyle magazine geared to people making over $100,000 a year. Welcome to Detroit, where even the well-to-do are keeping it real.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!

  9. Chris C April 15, 2013 at 8:39 am #

    They did it with houses and college degrees. Why not pump and dump gold? Maybe bullets in various sizes and denominations would hold value.

  10. GAZ April 15, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    SHIT = Johnson & Johnson up 12% this week

  11. dryadsdad April 15, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    WTF is a schmikler?

  12. Brent Eamer April 15, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    What an excellent time to load up on silver. Im in it for the long haul

  13. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    JHK, you say you’re allergic to conspiracy theories, but what about the LIBOR-riggers’ scam? Here’s one of the bigger interest rate calculationss in the world, used to jigger all sorts of financial figgers, and it was being tweaked right out in the open. (As open as the meeting rooms and telephone calls amongst London bankmaggots can be, that it.) It had a cast of scores of characters who were in on the game, and it went on for years. That’s not a conspiracy “theory;” enough insiders have come out talking, and enough “look tough but don’t put anyone in prison” official investigations have proven it. Why SHOULDN’T there be a deliberate deflation of the few things that can show the nakedness of the Fiatemperor’s inflating clothes.
    Aa much as I detest the bilious nihilism of the people behind ZeroHedge and the vicious neo-Nazi gun-nuttery of its comment section, I have found it a good source of info for the scammery that’s at the heart of the financial system. You have to separate the wheat from the naf (as the Brits use that latter term) but it has alerted me to much of the con behind the piracy on Wall Street and London.

  14. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    “Schmikler” is not to be found on the Oogle machine, but having watched a lot of comedians from the Catskills, and having been married to a woman from a Miami Jewish family, I know a Yiddish insult word when I read it. It probably derives from “schmeckle” which is Yiddish for “small penis.” A schmeckler, or schmickler as JHK puts it, is someone who dicks around with their small penis. The great thing about Yiddish slang is that it has so many words that just SOUND nasty, even if the spellings vary and there are no exact translations that can be found in dictionaries. So shpritz that up your putz and tookus it, you schlemiels!

  15. newworld April 15, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    The PM press exists to make CNBC look sane. Awful advice used as its sales pitch. This phony dump is going to kill the un-hedged coin bucket shops, sucks for them, but the hedged are gonna do ok since their Puts versus spread on the phys is pretty wide my WAG.
    So today if you call your coin dealer and get no response its just your un-hedged dealer hoping for a rebound before they open the phones to orders.
    PMs are insurance not an investment strategy, unless you “play” a bit with instruments like GLD or SLV which I do for a little cash flow.
    FTR the author of this blog wrote sometime ago that he was in T-bills, a seemingly sound strategy.

  16. GAZ April 15, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    Wait for the silver play. It will go down more than Gold ( percentage ) because it is more affordable than Gold. Long term silver looks good but you will be able to buy PM’s cheaper if you wait. Don’t buy paper, buy physical, if you can.
    I’m not a PM guy. I’m have been massively stocking up on non-perishable, items for barter and trade. Good luck to all of us….it’s getting close.

  17. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    I don’t think it’s the conspiracy theory as you relate it when it comes to gold. I believe it’s more than likely a conspiracy of some sort, but your last paragraph pretty much nullifies your first. They’re not that stoopid. They would have known China and Russia would buy on the cheap since China and Russia have been on a gold buying binge for the reasons you state.
    Following the creative financial shenanigans in the search for evidence of collapse will ultimately prove futile. Even in a full-on collapse these shenanigans will continue unabated, and wealth will continue to concentrate exponentially til the very end, whenever that will be. Remember, they make the rules, and so long as they do they will make them in their favor….ALWAYS.
    One thing can be gleaned from this gold conspiracy. They’ve made it loud and clear that at any time, they can destroy the value of gold in the blink of an eye. They can destroy the value of anything in the bat of an eyelash…including the human race with the push of a few buttons. They’re playing for keeps and no amount of guns will pry the power from their hands, even if those hands are cold and dead.

  18. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    One other trivia Bitcoin: do you know where the “Mt. Gox” Bitcoin swapperoo site got its name? From a video game. It originated as “Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange.” Mt. GoX, get it? I picked up this info from one of the many stories I’ve read about Bitcoin recently. I’m not much into video games, but “Magic: The Gathering” was apparently one where you could buy items to use in the play, similar to the illusory image-crap you can pay “real” money (as real as “money” can be considered to be) in online games like Farmville. Yeah, that’s what this hyped new currency is, a gimmick that’s flipped like any other derivative, on an attack-prone site that started as a way to buy and sell Internet game toys. Not something that I’d be investing in…

  19. newworld April 15, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Here is some advice for the gentle progressive utopian dreamers, the day you listen to CONservative talk radio and the callers start sounding like the Democratic party’s “Gibs me dat” demographic is the day your late to preppin for ‘Muurika Yugoslavia-Lebanon-Rwanda-Cambodia style excitement.
    For now Suzy Conservative out there in Niceville thinks this shit show can be saved.

  20. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Maybe smikler was a hat tip to Janos.
    I think it’s yiddish for swindler. Am I right, JHK? Feel free to answer as someone else.

  21. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 9:33 am #

    For anyone wishing to have a look at the hard numbers of the gold smackdown, here is a data-based post showing the 5-minute by 5-minute changes in price, and volume of “gold” traded last Friday. Complete with easy-to understand charts! It’s from a guy whose blog is called Jesse’s Cafe Americain. He’s a dispassionate observer, an American expat living in Paris who’s not a libertarian looney like most econobloggers. He writes about the morality of finance, and I’ve found him to be a good source of education about the evil ways that Wall Street and The City of London really work.

  22. malthus April 15, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    To put it another way, gold and all shit considered money is just another manipulated commodity and as far as currency there already is the newer form. 0’s and 1’s, so the question is who gets to manipulate cyber economic credit and debt in the long run? Does anyone trust governments or private greed head corporations while knowing the only true money are calories. Which by the way is easily turned into shit. All the rest is just mental crap.

  23. Hammering Truth April 15, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    Hammering Truth predicted the collapse of gold and silver on Friday morning when silver was at 27.20 an ounce and gold at 1540 an ounce. Amazing prediction based on perceived manipulation: http://youtu.be/-V8iXtxvfoo

  24. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    And with that, I have exceeded the “I’m not commenting if I can’t be within the first 20” rule I have for JHK’s blog. The repetitive raving boors will be laying their word-turds here any moment now, so I bid adieu to you first sane few who have chimed in.

  25. 3rd Generation April 15, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    Seriously, Kunstler
    With all the obvious shennanigans abounding, IF you don’t BELIEVE that the markets are rigged, you are, at best, a FOOL and a TOOL.
    Please let us know.
    IF you are STILL allergic to so-called by you ‘conspiracy theories’ (I, and many other thinking people call prima facie irrefutable evidence), I have No Business ever placing any worth in anything written or said by you again.
    SMARTEN the F Up.

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  27. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    What the hell does this have to do with the price of gold in China?
    Answer: Everything, thank you very much!!

  28. harrykrebs April 15, 2013 at 10:06 am #

    James, I trust your recovery continues well and good, and thank you for another fine TGIM article. Congratulations on taking another step toward the light. This might be one of those times in history when speaking truth is a revolutionary act. Perhaps on another day you will add “pile driving” building colapse and surealistic aircraft manuvers? At any rate, Spring has arrived….

  29. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    It doesn’t get any better than this, does it?
    Man Shoots Self In Infield at NRA 500

    Firearms were prohibited by Texas law from being brought in to the track by fans. The NRA’s sponsorship of the race came under scrutiny when it was announced earlier this year after Michael Waltrip ran a Sandy Hook benefit car at the Daytona 500 encouraging fans to text to give to Newtown, Conn. It was the NRA’s first Sprint Cup Series sponsorship; it sponsored the Nationwide Series race at Atlanta Motor Speeedway in September.
    As is custom for all race sponsors, the NRA was offered the chance to buy the premium ad package from Fox Sports that would include commercial time, sponsor mentions and graphics with the race name. The NRA declined, and thus the race was presented without a sponsor on in-race graphics and the Fox broadcast mentioned the title sponsor once an hour. Earlier in the week, Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy (D) wrote a letter to Fox to ask the network not to broadcast the race.
    The NRA’s sponsorship met and passed all NASCAR guidelines for sponsorship approval, but the sanctioning body said on Friday that it would take a closer look at other factors when going through its standard sponsorship approval process moving forward.

    What’s the problem with the NRA sponsoring racing events? It’s a match made in heaven…or is it hell? Same thing, really. John Cougar Mellonhead’s “Ain’t that America” lyric comes to mind. Yes, this is “America” in all its satirically ironic glory.

  30. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    Allergic to conspiracy theories, eh, JHK?
    But I see, as the conspiracies become more shameless, open and obvious, it is even slightly cracking your stout wall of denial.
    Get used to gagging on your words, JHK, as things speed up and the Event Horizon gets closer, the grifts become more obvious, more direct and shameless, except to 99.9% of the American Subject Populace. who are even more allergic to “conspiracy theories” than you.
    So much so, that even your conspiratorially tepid, carefully worded Insults to Conventional Wisdom, so to speak, are viewed by them EXACTLY as you view “Conspiracy Theorists” now.
    God has a sense of humor, no? I begin to perceive that SHe has a malevolent one, indeed.
    Though in all likelihood The Event Horizon is still years away, as you have no idea how powerful the collective delusion of “being allergic to conspiracy theories” allows rampant
    naked shameless forthright criminal conspiracy to prosper and perpetuate itself; this will carry the charade so much further than anyone dreams, long past what common sense dictates, as it always has been.
    The most powerful force at work in human sociology is collective delusion and denial.
    Human beings are conspiratorial creatures. Lesser Noble, Plebe and Prole Conspiracy is successfully prosecuted in courts every day. Apparently except for the top 0.01% Gods on Earth where even the IDEA of such behavior is ABSURD.
    So absurd as not not warrant a moment’s passing thought or consideration, not by anyone with two brains cells to rub together. Hmmph and harrrummmph, I say!
    Like your wacky conspiracy theory about gold price manipulation. Shall we outfit you for a tinfoil hat, JHK? I think we shall, you conspiracy nutball.
    If you have a moment, JHK McCrazy, perhaps you should research the origins of the modern term “conspiracy theory”. Funny how it meant something wholly different not 60 years ago.
    Funny how the new, improved and rebranded term appeared on the scene at just the right moment in history to shut down any inconvenient questions.
    Ah, if only the ancient Romans had had marketing and mass psychology, Tiberius would have had a much easier time in the aftermath of Germanicus’ the Younger’s murder.
    PR and marketing, baby. Everything is PR amd marketing, these days.
    Last but not least, what are PR and marketing, from their very inception by Evil Ed Bernays, but a naked, shameless not-quite-forthright attempt to get various Target Audiences (Subject Populaces, Sheep, Serfs, Peasants, whatever we want to call ourselves, a shitpile by any other name would smell just as rank) to believe lies and disbelieve our own eyes.
    It works, over and over and over and over again. It always has worked, even before it had a name and a scientific discipline behind it.
    But, you should probably dismiss what I say out of hand.
    After all, I’m a Conspiracy Theorist.
    Enjoy your painfully slow awakening that is still immeasureably fast, compared to the vast herd of lemmings gleefully marching over the cliff (Event Horizon?) clutching their gadgets, gizmos and gimcracks.

  31. Al Klein April 15, 2013 at 10:19 am #

    Bitcoin, the price of gold, the price of silver… All this is smoke, but no fire! Apparently our economy is so bereft that speculation is the entire end-game. So I will ask the obvious: where’s the discussion of productivity, and by that I mean real output, not some sort of cooked-up quant metric. You can’t eat gold or silver. And you can’t eat Bitcoin. From my perspective, we are in some kind of death throe. We’ve outclevered ourselves. It would be quite hilarious, actually, if it weren’t for the correction which ultimately must occur when reality, ask JHK puts it, returns with a vengeance. However that happens, it will not a rude awakening.

  32. ront April 15, 2013 at 10:19 am #

    The following are two quotes that I feel shed light on root problems that require facing personally and collectively:
    from Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins p xii
    “Some would blame our current problems on an organized conspiracy. I wish it were so simple. Members of a conspiracy can be rooted out and brought to justice. This system, however, is fueled by something far more dangerous than conspiracy. It is driven not by a small band of men but by a concept that has become accepted as gospel: the idea that all economic growth benefits humankind and that the greater the growth, the more widespread the benefits. This belief also has a corollary: that those people who excel at stoking the fires of economic growth should be exalted and rewarded, while those born at the fringes are available for exploitation.
    “The concept is of course, erroneous. We know that in many countries economic growth benefits only a small potion of the population and may in fact result in increasingly desperate circumstances for the majority. This effect is reinforced by the corollary belief that the captains of industry who drive this system should enjoy a special status, a belief that is the root of many of our current problems and is perhaps also the reason why conspiracy theories abound. When men and women are rewarded for greed, greed becomes a corrupting motivator. When we equate the gluttonous consumption of the earth’s resources with a status approaching sainthood, when we teach our children to emulate people who live unbalanced lives, and when we define huge sections of the population as subservient to an elite minority, we ask for trouble. And we get it.”
    from Meher Baba
    Although the unconscious slavery of modern man to the
    industrial age is a serious matter, the emancipation of
    mankind from physical and economic slavery is a
    comparatively easy affair.
    The real slavery, because it is the most cruel and
    destructive of all, is the intellectual bigotry which claims
    to possess an exclusive monopoly on all truth. It is people
    obsessed by such a belief who, when they happen to be in a
    position of material power, hasten the downfall of a
    laboriously built civilization or the disintegration of a
    living religion.
    Man can be redeemed from all types of bondage — physical,
    mental, spiritual, social, political, moral — sooner or
    later. But the redemption of man from the self-imposed
    shackles of intellectual self-sufficiency, uncritically
    accepted ideals and a dry religious heritage is a task which
    is well-nigh superhuman.
    Here is the real task of the aspirant: to pierce through his
    own layers of self-imposed self-sufficiency and
    insensitivity so that he may expose a layer of vital
    awareness to the world about him, which would teach him if
    it could.
    LISTEN, HUMANITY, pp. 175-176, ed. Don E. Stevens
    Copyright 1982 AMBPPCT

  33. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    Did you delete my previous post, JHK?
    Will you delete it again?
    At least I know you read the thing, LOL.
    If you did, let me say that it’s astonishing the absolutely vile things to be said and even viler games to be played on your discussion thread, and not a one gets deleted, while THAT post is deleted so fast it made my head spin.
    We are all slaves to our internal psychologies.
    No exceptions to the rule.

  34. steve April 15, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    Keep in mind that markets will ALWAYS overwhelm central planning. It may take awhile, but, in the end, there will be nothing that central governments and their central banks can do to stop the nature of markets to take control.

  35. comob April 15, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    I greatly enjoy the vim and vigor of your prose even as the subject matter leaves me in tears for my children’s future.
    Be that as it may I am moved to make two comments on your post:
    1. Cram down in AU pricing – as allergic as you are to conspiracy theories – you don’t think that this could possibly be related to the posturing and requests by the Central Bank Den of Thieves (among whom there is no HONOR) as they begin requesting the repatriation of their gold reserves held abroad? Gold that has quite literally been hypothicated and rehypoticated ad infinitum as collateral for derivatives and CDO swaps? Gold that they were told will take some 7 years to be fully repatriated? Qui bono from lower prices – someone who has to deliver that of which he has nought?
    2. Just the facts ma’am! Being a reader of your blog and others I am fond of language and therefore found bitcoins “manifesto” enchanting even if the factual circumstances are not enticing. Nonetheless it may intigue you to know that Mt Gox started its life as (I sh*t you not) Magic the Gathering Online Exchange as a place for collectors to trade their beanie babies – opps, my bad, I meant Magic the Gathering playing cards. Bubblicious, anyone?

  36. endofworld April 15, 2013 at 10:46 am #

    thanks for the gift Mr./Ms. Market–just bought 10000 more ounces of silver–another 100 grand on mining stocks..watching for 1300 gold to buy more..

  37. Smokyjoe April 15, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    Electric grids all over the world are aging and decrepit — the USA’s in particular — and the capital is not there to renovate them.
    It’s a thin line between what we have and barbarism. I got some Millennials to talk about this recently, in terms of their addiction to and utter reliance upon smart phones.
    “We can’t do anything!” One lamented. “We just look up how on the phone. But no one can MAKE anything!”
    “Go learn,” I said, “pick something useful and learn how. And do it fast.”
    Collecting Bitcoins wouldn’t classify as “useful.” But we get to see Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss outsmarted again. There’s some consolation!

  38. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    Smoky, on the psych ward where I work, we confiscate and lock up the cell phones of all our patients (because some in the past have used them to take pics of other patients, and put them on FaceSchnook pages, which is a repulsive violation of those other patients’ rights to not have the whole world informed they have mental problems.) When we do that, the cell phone-owning patients are utterly at a loss to get in touch with anyone, because they can’t remember a single phone number. (Our ward has a phone we let patients use for free, unless they’re calling 9-1-1 repeatedly to claim they’re being held captive against their will. You would not believe how much 9-1-1 operators’ time is wasted on crackpot calls.) We nurses will generally let patients grab their phones, write the vital numbers down on paper — what a concept, eh? — and use our ward phone to call. But the lack of non-technology-dependent information retrieval is just one of the many ways that the techno generation’s life will collapse when the infosystems go down. They are completely at the mercy of their gadgets, and they don’t even know it.

  39. shorty April 15, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    Yo Jimmy,
    PTB, PTB, PTB, PTB, PTB, PTB, PTB………….

  40. Nastarana April 15, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    Start the gardening now. It takes most of us an average of 5 years to learn how to garden in any specific combination of climate and terroir. Do you get water along with your plot? If not, start now learning how to capture water. A good place to start for that is any good book on permaculture. Never mind the “food forests”, the permies have very good notions about contouring your land so that precipitation STAYS where it falls.
    You were thinking of just hiring the guys who hang out in parking lots? I hate to break the news, but most of them don’t know any more than you do and what they do know they learned on large, commercial farms, which means, lots of expensive inputs, starting with electricity for their power equipment. By the time you pay wages, replace tools which unaccountably go missing, the water bill, power bill and for ferts and pesticides, you might as buy food at the farmer’s market and rent out the land to someone who keeps horses.

  41. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    But the lack of non-technology-dependent information retrieval is just one of the many ways that the techno generation’s life will collapse when the infosystems go down.
    Shit, it can’t come fast enough. At this rate, I’ll never finish my novel until CFN goes dark.

  42. Piper Michael April 15, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    Good Morning James,
    I trust you are getting better? You are getting your cantankerous bent back in the saddle…
    I was, like you, allergic to conspiracy ‘theories’, back when, before I knew this rich guy who was a client… and a Rosicrucian/mason/something like that… very strange man… and… evil. Pure evil, with a tongue of sugar.
    They think the world is THEIR’s James, lock stock and barrel, for THEY are a Superior Race. The World is theirs to do with what they will… and what they will? Death, The Purge, only the strong shall survive.
    Money is their stock in trade, their control mechanism, their God is The Universe. But I do not think they are ONE, I think they are many factions, fighting for control and ultimate vision. Either way, their visions are all about CONTROL, and full control of the Oyster named Earth. (How can their children live in luxury and power if all you useless eaters eat out THEIR substance and resources? Sorry, you got to go.)
    Look up BRICS Development Bank, and see the Eastern replacement for the western SWIFT system of trade settlement, jokingly called the “Dollar Kill switch”. It is Gold certificates used to settle trade, outside the banking system. Soon to be deployed? China has been gathering allies and building this thing for some time…
    Will the Eastern faction do the Western factions bidding? Is gold taken down and given to them so that they can divide the spoils? Are western bankers stupid or smart?
    Either way, we may soon have an answer to the Ultimate question of the Ages…
    Do bankers taste like chicken?

  43. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Piper, I bet bankers taste like maggots… Not that I’ve ever tasted any of either, nor would I want to.

  44. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Start the gardening now.
    Nah, I’ll just wait until the time comes, and then you, or those around like you, will teach us. If you don’t, we will kill you and take whatever little you have. There is no place for smugness in collapse. We do it together, or we die.

  45. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    Hey, you didn’t delete it again.
    Or perhaps the first deletion was an accident, though it clearly showed as posted to this site, and was gone when I refreshed not half an hour later.
    Perhaps an accident of technology.
    Who knows? Who cares?
    I just appreciate that the second posting of the same post is (for now) being left up.

  46. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    Sorry, it was me. I moved it to come after my NRA 500 post. The power of christ compels me.

  47. Zev Paiss April 15, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    As beautiful and shiny a new gold or silver coin might be, I still wonder how helpful it would be in “A World Made by Hand?” If I am hungry I want food, if I am hurt Ineed medical treatment. Beautiful pieces of metal may not be as enticing as an armfull of fresh picked carrots and potatoes or a watertight container of sterile bandages.
    Just my 2¢ worth.
    If you are looking for a fast-paced, very realistic and inspirational futuristic novel please take a look at: “From here to There – A Story of America’s Future.”
    Zev in Colorado

  48. Imagainstit April 15, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Of interest to CFNers (and JHK), Chris Hedges writes about public transportation today, especially privatization of bus industry, at Truthdig.

  49. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 11:35 am #

    Spiced and fried maggots are out-of-this-world! They sure as hell beat pork rinds and they cost little to nothing to raise. With collapse just around the corner, spicy fried maggots will become a delicacy. They’ll be better than gold. Corner the market now before that time arrives. We can call it Bitmaggot and create a trading exchange for it. It may not be the next bubble, but it may be five or six bubbles from now.

  50. RyeBeachBum April 15, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    Jim how many bit coins for a signed copy of Too Much Magic?

  51. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Ssssh — don’t mention the maggots! (Apologies to Fawlty Towers.) Chinese restaurants will want to sitr-fry them in everything and charge us extra. I swear saw some in the leftover fried rice I ate last Friday. It might have had something to do with the fact that I had bought it on Tuesday and forgot it was sitting on the back seat of the car…

  52. adequatio April 15, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    The practical misconception here — and it’s a big one — is the notion that we live in an era of wildly irresponsible money printing, with runaway inflation just around the corner. It’s true that the Federal Reserve and other central banks have greatly expanded their balance sheets — but they’ve done that explicitly as a temporary measure in response to economic crisis. I know, government officials are not to be trusted and all that, but the truth is that Ben Bernanke’s promises that his actions wouldn’t be inflationary have been vindicated year after year, while goldbugs’ dire warnings of inflation keep not coming true.
    The philosophical misconception, however, seems to me to be even bigger. Goldbugs and bitbugs alike seem to long for a pristine monetary standard, untouched by human frailty. But that’s an impossible dream. Money is, as Paul Samuelson once declared, a “social contrivance,” not something that stands outside society. Even when people relied on gold and silver coins, what made those coins useful wasn’t the precious metals they contained, it was the expectation that other people would accept them as payment.
    Actually, you’d expect the Winklevosses, of all people, to get this, because in a way money is like a social network, which is useful only to the extent that other people use it. But I guess some people are just bothered by the notion that money is a human thing, and want the benefits of the monetary network without the social part. Sorry, it can’t be done.
    So do we need a new form of money? I guess you could make that case if the money we actually have were misbehaving. But it isn’t. We have huge economic problems, but green pieces of paper are doing fine — and we should let them alone. –Paul Krugman
    I hope Asoka is reading this. He said the same things years ago. Asoka is vindicated.

  53. gp April 15, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    is there a “cheese grater” tool for gold, just in case you may want to shave off a little from a big bullion?

  54. ctemple April 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    If the federal government had let these sonsabitches go bankrupt back in ’08’ then we would have been rid of them. No, they had to bail out the biggest swindlers in the history of the United States. Now they’re doing what crooks always do. There would have been a lot of pain if ‘too big to fail’ had been sent down the drain where they belonged, but that’s how the system works, when it is allowed to work. That’s how it worked in the 19th century, we had depressions or panics regularly, there was no attempt to save anything, and it was clear who was broke and who wasn’t. And the country rebuilt, not always within 24 months, but we always came back until the depression of the 1930’s. The should have let these fuckers go broke, bare minimum.

  55. Cavepainter April 15, 2013 at 12:17 pm #

    C’mon J. H. Kunstler, so far you’ve backed away from taking on the so called “immigration reform” issue. Why???
    If you believe immigration policies are arbitrary then consider the problems worldwide with refugees billowing out of nations in crises, impounded in squalid camps along the borders of neighboring states. Immigration law is necessary to a nation’s projection of budgetary requirements for meeting the infrastructure needs — physical and social — of its own citizenry.
    And not less important; maintaining a level of continuity in social cohesiveness by maintaining rate of immigration equal to rate of assimilation. Failing that the impact of foreign nationals disregarding sovereign borders and immigration laws constitutes invasion disruptive not unlike military invasion.
    But more immediate to how life is lived with available choices don’t dismiss how growing population compresses choices due to limited resources. Choices such as wilderness experience, species diversity, broader choices in diet and diet affordability.
    The Congressional debate now taking place is not really about “reform” but instead terms of surrender. Essentially, that is, a defaulting our immigration laws to however many foreign nationals choose to ignore them.
    Implicitly, illegal immigration reaps advantage over prospect in nation of origin (an accepted “granted” since no party in the debate argues otherwise). Yet, rather than a “thank you” to the US citizenry along with willing self deportation the illegal aliens (and their advocates) are demanding legitimacy as a political force in this country.
    Worse, the political parties are betraying the citizenry by whoring for favor of the future voting block the illegal aliens represent following “reform”.
    As for children of
    illegal aliens, whether brought here or born here, the so called Amnesty really amounts to absolving the parents of parental responsibility. For whatever amount of life time their children have spent in the US they have gained advantage over those of families that didn’t violate our borders and immigration laws. Instead, a (so called) reform and amnesty forces the US citizenry to accept role as foster parent/nanny to these children.
    Instead the parents should retain obligation to see to the proper assimilation of their children back into the culture and society of the nation of origin.
    Regarding the 14th Amendment; clearly the framers had no intention of extending a perpetual impunity to foreign nationals who violate our immigration laws and border. What we’ve gotten from our dreamy headed President O-bush-ma is an official sanctioning of the “anchor baby” tactic.
    If the Congress and President really honored their oath to represent the citizenry they would have directed legal action against the government of Mexico for not enforcing their side of the border and (worse) for encouraging and facilitating illegal immigration across our border. Lacking appropriate response from the Mexican government a state of war should be declared against Mexico.

  56. Bukko Canukko April 15, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    OK, the battling blatherers have arrived. Tim to stop reading until next week. Have fun talking amongst yourselves, tendentious ones…

  57. ComradeDystopia April 15, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    OK then, what’s the word on gold: Buy, sell or hold?
    Speaking of Soros, just last week I was talking to a guy who did some work on his house in Washington, CT. Seems he has 4 houses in this state, the one in Washington and three more on the Gold Coast. But apparently he’s not around much; maybe too busy flitting around the world causing mischief and f–king things up.

  58. Buck's A Stud April 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    At the apex of my dream I looked down upon a valley of cars going everywhere and nowhere; a game of Hamster Wheel whose overwhelming momentum and gravity magnetized the mistaken into believing this was freedom and choice. Disgusted, I crumpled up my ticket-to ride and turned from this promontory of the ethereal and crawled back down into the realm of foliage and mud. My soul smiled at the beautiful burnt sienna orange of the river bed in sunlight and how the glistening caps of water reflected the blue contrast of the sky with sparkling salutations. Mesmerized, I marveled at the color of the gray grass growing down the vertical side of the river bank and pondered what colors to mix in order to match this most subtle tone of purple: Burnt umber and blue, along with a touch of nullifying yellow? I had to know, so I reached for my easel, an easel that always somehow stayed just out of reach. For I was reattached to a psychic anchor; an infant laminated to the quicksand of immobility and crying in the dreams of metal and mayhem cutting down those trying to escape the bloody, ancient beaches of murder and tragedy:

  59. ComradeDystopia April 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    Hey Cavepainter, Declare war on Mexico?
    Who do think is President, Teddy Roosevelt?

  60. FreewayAT April 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    I try to stay away from conspiracy theories these days myself but some things arce just too coincidental. Like the following this spring:
    ~The odd crash in gold/silver price
    ~The parabolic bubble in Bitcoin prices followed by a price crash at the same time as the gold crash.
    ~My local credit union gets hacked and people lose hundreds of dollars from their checkings accounts.
    So financial alternatives are looking pretty dangerous now, aren’t they. Well, I am keeping my physical gold and silver coins and suggest everyone do the same with anything purchased before the price run up that started in late 2010. Meanwhile this seems to be a good time to take advantage of the lower oil prices and stronger dollar that are linked to lower gold prices. Travel, learning skills and possibly buying productive land are all looking like priceless alternatives right now, alternatives that are hard to drain value from.

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  62. Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    Oh so stopping illegal immigration is off the table of polite discourse? You want to stay within the carefully crafted offical paradigm – the one that is about to hit the iceberg?

  63. Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    Not believing in Conspiracy “Theories” is kind of crazy. The World is made up Conspiracy: find three people and you’ll have two whispering against the one.
    Apparently Mr Kunstler intends to milk the Anti-Conpiracy meme to the last drops of its respectability and credibility. Sad, since the dogma of No Conspiracies allows the Conspirators a few reign. Maybe that’s where this silly meme came from – since they own the Media? It certainly didn’t come from OUR Tradition as the Founding Fathers believed in Conspiracies and were Conspirators themselves.

  64. Janos Skorenzy April 15, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    Hear her people – they’re out there. But Carol, you’re not using your imagaination. Why learn from her or kill her when you can get her to garden for you? That’s what’s going to happen to the Pacifist Amish after all. You could become a Baroness…

  65. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    The “Founding Fathers” were schmiklers, just like that Vlad Smikler over at the Race Department.

  66. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    I’d settle for a barter arrangement. My loofah for her fruits and vegetables, or her teaching me how to cultivate them. They’re going to be many such arrangements.

  67. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    thanks for the gift Mr./Ms. Market–just bought 10000 more ounces of silver–another 100 grand on mining stocks
    yep, i picked up 13,000 ounces of silver too, can’t thank the market busters enuf, and i’ll be buying all the way down to gold $1250/1300 as well, it’ll be a beautiful free 75k or whatever it works out to in profit once it buoys up to 1500+ again.
    beats working, i’ll tell you that much.
    peace peaceniks

  68. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    There are

  69. ASPO Article 1037 April 15, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    Let’s see how long it is until the Feds call in the Gold & Silver coins & Bullion.
    JHK and China & Russia and many savvy “hard money” US Citizens are betting against the USA. China is massing troops at their border with North Korea. Sounds like the Korean police action is about to pick up from where time was called in 1953. Islam is preparing to jump right on top of the pile-on. Methinks they are jumping the wrong outfit…
    In 1953 America had a multiplicity of local railway branch connectors, making it possible to have a mobile & robust commercial economy without importing motor fuel. Locating and understanding where all these rail lines went to & from is still possible, see “US Rail Map Atlas” guides from spv.co.uk for map of your respective locale…
    Railways linked to local service warehousing points in smaller communities are less efficient timewise than “Just-In-Time” trucking to point of sale stores & malls. But railway, known to Strategic Planners as the “Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform”, are so much more fuel efficient it is essential to rethink these things in light of current events and climate issues as well.
    There is a methodology of using rail mode in a “Systems” approach to solving issues of climate, energy, transport & water supply called “Retail Railways”. Retail Railways provide connectivity to a degree making need for overseas oil import and concomitant military overhead orders of magnitude less critical at the existential level. Branch line railways employee local citizens, maintain a shop & repairmen able to help keep local utilities working when parts must be made locally. Kunstler’s “World Made By Hand” is a lot more doable with the train guys nearby and the railway (renewable) power generation facilities in the local grid.
    The fact that Israel is on top of oil & gas reserves making Eretz Israel a potential oil exporting nation will only infuriate Arabs, having sold their inheritance for a mess a pottage- -again… So expect disruption to World oil markets for a prolonged period, beginning soon. This equates to Federal Executive Emergency Orders for motor fuel rationing. Got a dormant rail corridor nearby?
    See “Suntrain Transportation Corporation” for renewable/railway methodologies.

  70. Hapa April 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    JHK – Glad to see your are overcoming your aversion to so-called conspiracy theories. Your loyal readers will benefit from your conversion and come to better understand the beast.

  71. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Let’s see how long it is until the Feds call in the Gold & Silver coins & Bullion.
    lol, like drugs are illegal too, and see how well that’s worked out confiscating them…
    lol2, like people with thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in these metals are just going to give them up without a fight. people are more resistive than in 1933.
    lol3, why confiscate when you can manipulate? they can slam down the price to get people to ‘voluntarily’ sell their holdings.
    Sounds like the Korean police action is about to pick up from where time was called in 1953.
    lol4, north korea is a shit-on-a-stick country that knows perfectly well it’ll be wiped off the face of the map if it tries anything more than a few conventional shellings/kidnappings. like, the can’t even feed themselves. which is why they pull this fake chest thumping every year – the gooks in control there [and they really are gooks], like all gangsters, have it too good to let things disrupt their orgies.
    this end-of-the-world attitude is very highschoolish. remember the mayan prediction, the jesus-coming-back prediction, et al?
    world doesn’t work in sudden lurches of poof!
    peace peaceniks

  72. Gus44 April 15, 2013 at 3:12 pm #

    I suspect from your screen name that you expect things to get very bad, like JHK’s World Mad by Hand bad. What possible utility will gold have if it gets that bad? It has some industrial uses, certainly, and it makes pretty jewelry fairly simply due to its malleability, but it seems to me that its monetary value is like that of the dollar, i.e. it has a value because we agree that it does. Can you explain?

  73. stelmosfire April 15, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    Let’s take a run! Perhaps we will be blown to bits. What ” A Wonderful Life” we are living. A beautiful April day. I just came back from the PO to pay my federal taxes. I waited in line for 30 min. Money well spent on missiles, drones, and bombs. Not to mention the PTSD which some of my younger veteran friends on the FD suffer from. Why can I not decide how my money is spent. Everybody I ever voted for has been defeated. So much for the USA. Spineless bastards in DC. Watch list again. FU!!!

  74. stelmosfire April 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    The best thing that can be hoped for is that the victims are at MGH ( one of the best hospitals on planet Earth.) Take a run and get blown to bits. I may be jumping the gun but I assume it is terroism ,maybe foreign or domestic. Sick F@@cks.

  75. stelmosfire April 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    This is “NOT A GUN FREE ZONE”

  76. stelmosfire April 15, 2013 at 4:45 pm #

    Piss on me and piss on you! Please don’t tell me what to do! I’m a man and bombs don’t scare me. Hide your dick you fu**ing fairy. Bite me, eat me,dirty dog! Crank my crank u Fuck*in’Hog. Dirty words are free and clear. Don’t forget to send a beer. Ale or lager , it don’t matter, suffice to say I’ll take the latter.

  77. Al Klein April 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    Gold and silver have no real value in the modern world except for their industrial use. What does have value is industrial and agricultural capacity. And possibly skill and technique. The Assyrians mastery of iron weapons (although they were not the first to do so) had more effect than the gold their neighbors may have had. Iron trumps gold in that case, and that was a few thousand years ago. Today it’s mastery of silicon and maybe nanotechnology. And nuclear processes, hence the trepidation about Iran.

  78. Ozymandius April 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Did you really think that Mrs Merkel was going to wait 7 years to get back some of her gold? Come on! If she’s quick she’ll have it all back by this time next week; at bargain-basement prices. Think what it will be worth to Germany in 7 years 🙂 Just sayin’

  79. adequatio April 15, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    Did you take a gun with you to pay your taxes at the Post Office? If a bomb went off while you were waiting in line and the concussion knocked you down and shards of glass amputated your limbs, do you think it would matter whether you had a gun or not, would it matter if it is a “gun-free zone” or “not a gun-free zone?”
    Guns are useless against a terrorist attack that takes you by surprise and takes limbs off your body. All the armed soldiers in Iraq who lost limbs to IEDs can confirm what I am saying.
    It would not have made a difference if all the marathon runners were armed. The result would have been the same death toll, same injury toll, same outcome.
    Guns give you a false sense of security.

  80. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

    That’s right, Carol! Thanks for covering this for me, and needless to say, my thoughts eggZACTLY! So thanks a lot! Yeah, I’m thinking this bombing was the work of a short-dicked white guy (do they come any other way?) ala Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, upset over the discussion of gun registration. I mean, give me a break, please!!! These white guys are still upset over Obama winning over Mittens! LOL!!!

  81. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    I’m already on it! Chapter 3 coming you’re way, BITCHES!!!! Experience the POWER OF NEWQUIST!!!

  82. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

    I’ll tell Soak for you! He and I go wayyy back! Fiat currency rules. Gold and silver? For losers, babe!

  83. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    No, we should have strung the little bastards up by their balls and used their heads as piñatas. You see, that way their children won’t try to pull this sh-t the ways their daddies did.

  84. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 6:21 pm #

    Gold and silver? For losers, babe!
    not for those of us in at under $400/oz.
    sweet doesn’t begin to describe it. make sure to pay ur taxes on ur paper gains (which are only nominal and dont reflect inflation) while gold can be sold for cash outside the purview of…..
    peace peaceniks

  85. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    I’m watching just now Obama’s response to the bombings. The good news: “We’ll find the guys who did this and bring them to justice.” The bad news: “Attorney General Eric Holder is on the case!”

  86. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    I know, right! Ironically, guns can’t protect you against a bombing. Maybe we can figure out a way to outlaw white men?

  87. adequatio April 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    You are in contact with Asoka? Email? What?
    Gold, guns & ammo … are for scared people, people who live in fear of others.

  88. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    Smoke signals.

  89. carolnewquist... April 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    Careful, Rube! There’s plenty a folk awaitin to ring your pretty little neck far that der silber! I don’t have to remind you of the brutality of folks rapin and a-pillaging round yer parts!

  90. ozone April 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm #

    What a very strange confluence of events specific to this date:
    Boston Marathon [bombing]
    Tax filing day
    Opening of bush the lesser’s library
    (I’m sure there’s quite a few others, but that’s off the top of my noggin.)

  91. Lindy1933 April 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    Carol: Who are they?

  92. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

    Maybe we can figure out a way to outlaw white men?
    i agree! we should look to south america and africa and china and north korea for real freedom and leadership! that’s where human rights flourish.
    some people never learn, some can’t learn, and some don’t want to. non-white cultures largely suck more than white cultures.
    just sayin’.
    peace peaceniks

  93. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    Careful, Rube! There’s plenty a folk awaitin to ring your pretty little neck far that der silber! I don’t have to remind you of the brutality of folks rapin and a-pillaging round yer parts!
    thats why you live in one country, do business in another, never ‘own’ anything etc.
    seems to work well. they took my laptop but can’t take my silver and gold, no worries there.
    let the rabble eat each other. me and my family will choose peace. not that we won’t do you in if you need doin’ in. but without the associated hate.
    peace peaceniks

  94. ozone April 15, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    (Forgot “Patriot’s Day”)
    Let’s keep our eyes on the horizon and ears to the ground and see who catches the blame for (or takes credit for) this bombing. Although this IS the time of year that “anti-gum’mint patriots” carry out their mayhem.
    Were there any bills signed into law today? (Another avenue of speculation.)

  95. rube-i-con April 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    Boston Marathon [bombing]
    Tax filing day
    Opening of bush the lesser’s library

    doesn’t compute. why target the jfk library if you’re oh-so-trendy and h8 bush? or is this not the gist of yer post?
    sorry if i’m off base.
    peace peaceniks

  96. Cavepainter April 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    Our colonial puppet O-bush-ma adminiistration will blame whichever group it wants most to marginalize in the public view, not (emphatically) whichever or whoever was really responsible.
    What, you still trust the O-bush-ma administration? If so, you probably continue to believe the US government is “of the people, by the people, for the people”. Get you head out of your ass.
    Ok, ok, it really doesn’t matter if my contention (say, conspiracy theory) is correct, whatever the reality of our colonial puppet government’s motives we, the people, won’t get to know — let alone be consulted.

  97. ozone April 15, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

    “Our colonial puppet O-bush-ma adminiistration will blame whichever group it wants most to marginalize in the public view, not (emphatically) whichever or whoever was really responsible.” -CP
    Correct. That’s why it will be most instructive to see what [of the many] roads they will run this down. (Whichever, it will result in the curtailment of more of our liberty that’s too dangerous for us to employ. That old Franklin guy had something to say about that, but it’s soooo long ago, it probably doesn’t matter any more.)

  98. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    I didn’t know Bush the Stupid’s library opened today.
    I don’t have any comment yet as to what might REALLY be going on here. The Kremlinology needs to firm up. As you say, we need to know who’s the patsy here. Hell, sh1t does happen in the world without the connivance of global aristocratic intel hench-types, and it is very possible this event is one of them.
    The general initial feeling, it seems to me, is of the OKC bombing which would suggest a RW domestic attack.
    I glanced at the Corpzi Media and they are now saying the JFK library explosion may not be a bomb but fire-related.
    But who really knows? That might change or could be a coverup. Our Corpzi Rulers, seen and unseen, are perfectly capable of murdering Americans, even kids, and this sure blows a bunch of stories off the page, not the least of which is the fact that an awful lot of people are starting to smell dead fish on the whole gold manipulation.
    Gold goes down after the money supply is quadrupled by QE to Infinity (or worse, when one adds POMO and other stealth QE programs)? It doesn’t make any sense, but now who’s going to be thinking, talking or writing about THAT?
    But really, there’s no way of knowing once trust in authority has collasped, as mine has and that of so many others who fear saying it aloud, let alone writing about it publicly.
    Whoever did this, and in the absence of trustworthy law enforcement as well as higher authorities we can never be sure, what the fock is with everyone murdering innocents?!?
    Trickle-down from the top, if nothing else, has turned our nation into one in which the harm and murder of hapless, gullible innocents is exalted in every way from Wall Street to Hollywood to the murderous DC War Machine, with it’s nine murdered innocents for each combatant and ninety-nine indirectly murdered innocents (through destruction of infrastructure, hospitals, etc) for every combatant killed.
    It boils down to that old Biblical expression, “You Reap What You Sow,” which matters as little to the many innocents dead and injured in Boston as it does innocents murdered by the hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the rest by us and our Vassal Nations and various sundry FUSA-backed Death Squads.
    It’s all tragic and pointless and the worst part is that it’s only just begun.
    That these are, almost without a doubt, the last years of any semblence of “The Good Old Days”.
    Things fall apart
    The center cannot hold…
    …what rough beast, it’s hour come ’round at last
    slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

  99. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Ok, ok, it really doesn’t matter if my contention (say, conspiracy theory) is correct, whatever the reality of our colonial puppet government’s motives we, the people, won’t get to know — let alone be consulted.

    Agreed, sir. That is about the only thing we can be sure of here.
    That, and perhaps Ozone’s contention that, whoever did this, it will be used as an excuse to further curtail liberty for the bottom 90% who can’t afford to pay for “VIP Liberty”. Which isn’t really much but a better constructed illusion, one that will also quickly evaporate if the Corpzis decide you are in their way.

  100. adequatio April 15, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    It’s all tragic and pointless and the worst part is that it’s only just begun.
    How many have been killed by drone bomber terrorism?
    “We’ve killed 4,700,” Graham was quoted as saying by the Easley Patch, a local website covering the small town of Easley. “Sometimes you hit innocent people, and I hate that, but we’re at war, and we’ve taken out some very senior members of al-Qaeda,” he told the local Rotary Club.
    Could be someone wants to have the USA suffer a similar kind of terrorism on USA soil.

  101. WSHancock1864 April 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    Another possible Kremlinological explanation, if it was a LIHOP, HIHOP or even MIHOP Intel Op
    (LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
    HIHOP = Help It Happen On Purpose
    MIHOP = Make It Happen On Purpose)
    is that is blows the whole N. Korea thing off the front pages, allowing the Corpzis to diffuse the situation outside the even-pathetic Corpzi Media glare, without losing face or screwing up the initial purpose of THAT Propaganda Op, while avoiding a premature start to WWIII.
    (I suppose that would be the first in a long series of propaganda ops getting American Sheep ready for 9/11 #2 and WWIII, which I suspect will involve several ops over a period of years to ramp up the proper programming)
    That, too, is wholly speculation.
    Let’s see who is selected as patsy, or even if we believe there is a patsy.

  102. Cavepainter April 15, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    Hell, I’m waiting for us (Oops, I mean the Pentagon, US military, CIA, etc.) to invade Poland ala 1939. Oops again, Poland has no oil.

  103. insufferable April 15, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    Do people ever wonder……..why do people want to blow us up? If this is someone from the middle east and are angry we are killing their loved ones then one can understand that retribution will be very likely. So as we watch TV continuously really run the blast…..just think the people watching their handiwork are most probably having a party. True evil. Everywhere.

  104. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    Carol: Who are they?
    It’s a fill-in-the-blank. What would you put?

  105. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

    Do people ever wonder……..why do people want to blow us up?
    I don’t ever wonder that, and I’m not sure who the “us” is in that statement.
    It’s just a little bomb, fellas. Think of how many people die of cancer every year. These one-offs pale in comparison. They’re not worth mentioning or fretting over. All the non-stop coverage of it will do is help sell more Abilify and Cialis.

  106. progress4conserving April 15, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    I especially enjoyed your analysis of BitCoin, since it agrees with my own. I understand the desire for secrecy of transactions that BitCoin offers, which is quite wonderful right now – but easily compromised by various moles, trolls, and undercover operators.
    And I understand the desire for a monetary system that is free of government issued scrip money. But BitCoin, at root, only substitutes private issued scrip money.
    And exactly how BitCoin is supposed to stay UP, when the rest of the digital Master Card and Visa world goes DOWN – takes flights of illogic that even the CFN trolls should not aspire to.
    Events in gold look like someone’s can kicking writ very large. A swing of 9%, like today’s, is disturbing – but not at all unexpected, in a world as wired up and connected as today’s world.
    Hope all is well among the CFNers from Boston, and other areas involved in today’s terrible events.
    It’s a grim world out there. All of us should work on treasuring the things that are truly important in this life – if only we could agree on what those things are. (small grin)

  107. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    It’s a grim world out there.
    How so? What does that even mean? Couldn’t that have been said at any time? What makes it any different now than say during World War II in Soviet Russia?

  108. progress4conserving April 15, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    “…the battling blatherers have arrived. Tim to stop reading…” -bc-
    Why don’t you tell us what you think about the subject, bc – instead of running from it?
    One more question:
    Who the heck is “Tim?”

  109. Carol Newquist April 15, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    Why don’t you tell us what you think about the subject, bc – instead of running from it?
    Maybe because bc is smart enough not to argue with cartoonish fundamentalists like yourself. What would be the point? You clowns have done made up yer minds. You’re pure propagandists, you especially. You’re likened to Pasha Antipov (Strelnikov) in David Lean’s Dr. Zhivago. Like him, you are resoundingly implacable. There’s no reasoning with you, so inexorable are your misguided beliefs. The only thing left is to treat you as the joke you are.

  110. progress4conserving April 15, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

    “What makes it any different now than say during World War II in Soviet Russia?”
    – the entity, taking umbrage at our grim world –
    Nothing makes it different, dimbulb, nothing at all.
    It’s a grim world out there, sometimes one might even say that it’s an insufferable world.
    And the entity, “carol,” certainly is trying to dominate this comment thread just like asokaquatio sometimes does.
    I still think there’s a connection.
    Out ’till tomorrow – or later.

  111. Shakazulu April 16, 2013 at 12:03 am #

    The financial “markets” are the greatest, largest, swankiest, sneakiest, most lucrative gambling and swindling operations ever manipulated for the few against the many ever known to man!
    The first legislator to allow shorting and in effect all forms of futures options should be shot! Even if he’s already dead! Any financial instrument outside of a share of stock that represents ownership in a real company is pure fraud and unlicensed speculation.
    Which knowledge did not prevent me from gambling a few thousand in the gold and silver racket. If Newton was correct, then what went down must go back up. Right?

  112. Shakazulu April 16, 2013 at 12:05 am #

    I will qualify my last statement to add that shares which represent ownership of an actual commodity maintain the semblance of an honest investment.

  113. Godozo April 16, 2013 at 12:18 am #

    Is it me, or does it seem that the United States Government no longer works for the United States – the people politicians, or even the elite (who, by the way, now think of themselves as above nations or as the nations themselves)?
    I can’t help but wonder whether this drop in everything was made SPECIFICALLY so that Russia, China, India, Brazil and South Africa can buy up our gold at bargain prices – and so that the US Treasury can sell their stocks more easily. And worse, done so by pressure (or planning) from the Chinese themselves (or, maybe, by sheer kowtowing by the American Leadership, having found themselves being totally unable to do anything to defend itself).
    Reminds me of the Ottoman Empire in its last days – having spent itself into dissolution and lost its empire, it participated in its (planned) final dismemberment by Greece and the Allied Powers. Only a rebellion led by a Mr. Ataturk led to its reconstitution as a singular country (Turkey)

  114. shorty April 16, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    Most of you are ahistorical, having attended government schools. The greatest mass murder of all time was a clown named Curtis Lemay…..he easily murdered more asians than Hitler did jews He bragged he had killed 20% of the Korean population and was proud of it, claiming there was no such thing as an innocent civilian. Lemay stories abound….when told there were no more targets for his B-29s as the 28 largest cities in northern Korea had been leveled, he told his lackies to “level them again”. As SAC commander,he openly wanted to nuke China until the old bloodletter Ike took his nukes away and ended the Korean slaughter . He later pushed for the nuking of Vietnam. Oh, and he ran as George Wallace’s VP on the white trash party ticket. Greatest murderer of all time, hands down. Anyone care to disagree?

  115. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 12:53 am #

    We know from the last amnesty (Reagan’s) that millions of “illegals” got university degrees, go jobs, created jobs, and became useful and productive taxpayers. Why are we putting obstacles in the way of the 11 million who need amnesty now?

    WASHINGTON, April 16 (Reuters) – A bipartisan group of U.S. senators on Tuesday unveiled long-awaited landmark legislation to remove the threat of deportation for millions of illegal immigrants, giving them an opportunity to apply for permanent legal status within 10 years and eventually for U.S. citizenship.


  116. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 12:56 am #

    ^We know from the last amnesty (Reagan’s) that millions of “illegals” got university degrees, got jobs, became job creators, and became useful, law-abiding and productive taxpayers.^

  117. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 1:14 am #

    Oh, I get it; anyone who enters illegally we are to presume will enter some plus(+) column for the nation, hence there are no valid reasons for regulated immigration at all since it always adjust to the positive.
    Damn! Why have I always stumbled on issues of over population and finite resources.
    Uh,….I know its a clumsy question, but doesn’t what you contend abrogate sovereignty and representational democracy by which the citizenry have exclusive right to direct the destiny of the nation?
    BTW, do you have duel citizenship?

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  120. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 1:50 am #

    BTW, do you have duel citizenship?
    Why, do you want to fight to the death?

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  122. lucky 13 April 16, 2013 at 2:00 am #

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  123. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 3:00 am #

    Why have I always stumbled on issues of over population and finite resources.
    I don’t know… why have you stumbled?
    There is absolutely no change in world population when a border moves over a people or people move over a border. The amount of finite resources does not decrease or increase with the physical movement from point A to point B.
    Try it for yourself. Walk across your living room from one wall to the other. Did the world’s finite resources decrease? Did world population increase?
    Now pretend the middle of your living room contains a national boundary. Does crossing that line change anything at all?
    Why in the world do you stumble so?
    Do the empirical experiment and report back to us.
    Or is it that you are one of CFN’s anti-immigrant racists like P4C, who promote and join anti-immigrant organizations?

  124. jim e April 16, 2013 at 5:05 am #

    “You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere”
    Clouds so swift…
    Get your mind of wintertime….
    Buy me a flute &
    Strap yourself
    To the tree with roots
    Morning came and morning went
    Pick up your money
    And pack up your tent
    Genghis Khan
    He could not keep
    All his men
    Supplied with sleep
    We’ll climb that mountain no matter how steep
    When we get to it

  125. jim e April 16, 2013 at 5:15 am #

    “They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king.”
    ? Bob Dylan

  126. jim e April 16, 2013 at 5:32 am #

    Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

  127. jim e April 16, 2013 at 5:36 am #

    A son of the South says:

  128. Treeman April 16, 2013 at 6:40 am #

    Chairman Mao and Joe Stalin both vie for the top position. Estimates the lowest of which start at 20 million plus for each. Unfortunately the communists are somewhat lax on their record keeping unlike the National Socialists under Hitler, who were quite the little record keepers. All three saw mass murder and genocide as a way of furthering their ambitions. It is small wonder that Arab despots feel so inadequate. Still it does seem to give them some inspiration.
    However if you regard the numbers as percentage of the world population of the time many historical figures would give them stiff competition.

  129. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 7:32 am #

    It’s also always been a beautiful, wondrous world. It all depends on one’s perspective at the moment. Take a hot air balloon ride sometime and let’s hear you tell everyone in the basket as you’re floating on air above this spectacular creation that “it’s a grim world.” You’re a party pooper, Strelnikov. Go poop in your own living room, rather than constantly shitting on others’ carpets.

  130. charliefoxtrot April 16, 2013 at 7:33 am #

    You disingenuous turd-chucker! We’ve covered this over and over; none of us CAN cross the living room floor, as it is completely taken over by mexicans (I am aware, but to someone who has had wages driven down in every trade, Guatemalans and Hondurans and all the rest are mexicans, fuck off) Hey cocksoaker: look up the term ‘labor arbitrage’, you lying chimp, and there is the result of your “empirical experiment”! Try buying anything, much less a new truck or a house, or a goddamned steak once a month, on 14 bucks instead of 30 an hour!!!

  131. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 7:44 am #

    This is what fascism looks like, up close and personal. Ninety-nine percent of what you are fed through the MSM is absolute, unadulterated hogwash. The real action is behind the curtain but pay no attention to THAT!

  132. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 8:55 am #

    Labor Arbitrage? So you’re blaming the slide in wages on immigration? Have you no shame? Of course, it doesn’t have anything to do with the sixty-plus-year campaign by conservatives to roll-back everything Sacco & Vanzetti and the Wobblies fought for and achieved, even if their earnest efforts did fall short. Instead, the scummy and cowardly right wingers blame what they’ve done on the defenseless immigrants. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

  133. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Labor unions fought for a middle class and conservatives like Ronald Reagan fought to destroy the unions. Since George W. Bush came into office in 2000 (yes, it is W’s fault), 66,000 factories (17 a day) have been off-shored.
    Little brown people from Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico were not the architects of labor and business policy in the USA. But they are damn hard workers for $14 an hour and manage to send money home to their families.
    Blaming the working class victims (of all colors) for conservative union busting and CEOs who off-shore factories is stupid. Poor workers should unite in labor unions and demand living wages for all instead of fighting among themselves.
    All people (of all colors) should be making $30 an hour. Not a single CEO should earn 380 times more in pay than the average worker, as is currently the case.
    If you want change, don’t focus on “securing the borders” or “deporting the immigrants.” Don’t join racist organizations that divide us. Put the blame where it belongs. Support labor unions for all workers. Change the system that allows CEOs to make as much in one year as it would take a minimum wage worker 3,489 years to earn.

  134. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    ^A person making the national average salary would have to work 244 years to make the median CEO salary.^
    Are managers worth 244 times more than the workers who make the company profitable?

  135. ozone April 16, 2013 at 10:29 am #

    Looks like the poo-flinger forgot what alias they were using and posted under the “wrong” alter-ego/name.
    Just to put your mind at rest, gum’mint-issue distractors will always be provided food, clothing and shelter. They have no need to worry over the price of such piddling concerns when blue-collar taxes ensure the comfort of those who serve the empire. (IOW, they’re not paid to understand the march to feudalism through wage suppression.)

  136. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    No they’re not, and that’s why there should be no managers. Without the separation between “workers” and “management” there are no need for unions, just as there are no longer any need for health insurance intermediaries in the dispensing of healthcare. Organizations should be egalitarian and employee-owned and managed. If we do this, we take the non-productive, and now irrelevant, union bureaucracy out of the equation and the non-productive management/ownership class out of the equation.

  137. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    LOL! You think DoD workers make millions? They make a comfortable living: $70,000 – $80,000 annual salary plus a comprehensive benefits package. You don’t get rich enough to retire early.

  138. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 10:46 am #

    That sounds more efficient and more just than the current system. We need economic democracy.
    While we’re at it, we should fire all the DoD “intelligence analysts” earning $70,000 to $80,000 on the taxpayer dime and we should fire all of the chain of command above them. We could save Trillions of dollars wasted in non-productive military management.

  139. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    Yeah, I’m familiar with the cant; sovereignty, enforced borders and immigration law is equated as racism and anti-immigrant. Subscript; making distinction between citizens (or immigrants here legally) and illegal immigrants is morally verboten. By extension this moral dictum condemns sovereign self-determination.
    Such simple minded thinking amounts only to “feel good” platitudes, skirting the difficult task of weighing the relative value of real distinctions existing among cultures and societies. For that it is trite, glib dismissal of Western Enlightenment principles of representative democracy.

  140. UtilityT April 16, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    Jim: Being a LONG TIME utility worker (almost 4 decades) I would never describe the U.S. grid as decrepit. Far from it. The average taxpayer has so little knowledge of the grid (how it’s designed and how it’s operated), that it defies belief! It is incredibly robust. Of course, people take it for granted because all they know is how to flip the light switch on and off. Can it fail – of course, any human activity can fail. Do you expect it to fail everytime you flip your TV on? Of course not. See my point?
    If you wanted to point a finger as to why it could fail going forward, there can be obviously be several reasons: nuclear war or a one-in-a-thousand year solar storm. But those scenarios would bring with them far bigger issues to worry about. People talk about the 2003 NorthEast Blackout and the San Diego blackout of 2011 as examples. Examples of what? Did the North American grid fail? No, as big as these events were they still were a small fraction of the overall electrical consumption. One could argue (and I do) that events like those, while irritating for those involved, in the larger picture IMPROVE the grid. Indeed, nothing forces adaptation and improvement like an occasional reminder of failure.
    You want to see a decrepit grid – go to any third world country. But don’t talk about the North American grid like a sqeeky bike ready for the junk pile. Just ain’t so.

  141. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 11:54 am #

    For sake of argument let’s hypothesize a future wherein amnesty has been granted to all the current illegal aliens who then have subsequently attained citizenship. Then, duly having the right to vote, they’ve elected representatives having given solemn oath to craft and enact policies reflecting the will, aspirations and concerns of these citizens (including immigration policies setting standards of ceiling on numbers and qualification).
    Suppose that then a new tsunami of illegal immigrants flood into the country that are of different race, and/or ethnicity, and/or religion, and/or cultural heritage. What do you think will be the reaction of these new citizens (erstwhile illegal aliens) if they witness their elected representative not representing them but instead subordinating their will (as expressed through democratic elections) to that of the new flood of illegal aliens. If these “new citizens” protest will they be branded racist or xenophobes?

  142. Buck's A Stud April 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm #

    About a year ago I decided to try the ‘primal diet’. It served its purpose at the time but I have now decided to move on and become a vegan. But that’s not my main point. I started reading about potatoes and discovered that they provide a mighty bang for the buck, nutrition wise. In fact, populations can and have subsisted on them. And they grow in cool climates.
    How many of you growers/preparationistas cultivate potatos?

  143. Buck's A Stud April 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm #

    “Blaming the working class victims (of all colors) for conservative union busting and CEOs who off-shore factories is stupid. Poor workers should unite in labor unions and demand living wages for all instead of fighting among themselves. ”
    Good post.

  144. rube-i-con April 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    Jim: Being a LONG TIME utility worker (almost 4 decades) I would never describe the U.S. grid as decrepit. Far from it. The average taxpayer has so little knowledge of the grid (how it’s designed and how it’s operated), that it defies belief! It is incredibly robust.
    i love it, a real voice of authority debunks kunstler. you mean the grid isn’t fritzing out right now, heralding the beginning of the end of the US?
    thank you for finally bringing some reality to this dystopian board.
    since you’re not toeing the doomsday line, expect to be prohibited from posting soon. then sign up with another name like we’ve all done.
    peace peaceniks

  145. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    Off shoring of jobs and tearing down of national borders for dissolving national sovereignties are both part of the same scheme toward singular rule by global finance.
    So much for “…and to the republic for which it stands”. I know, I know, patriotism is now a bad word, but read the duty oath (allegience to the Constitution) to realize that without partriots to defend it sovereignty is vanquished.
    The argument now is that because the American public has been betrayed with having had its government hijacked it no longer is entitled to sovereignty.

  146. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    While we’re at it, we should fire all the DoD “intelligence analysts” earning $70,000 to $80,000 on the taxpayer dime and we should fire all of the chain of command above them. We could save Trillions of dollars wasted in non-productive military management.
    I agree. Yes, that means you and I would be out of a job, but what ozone doesn’t realize is, we’re willing to make that sacrifice so the “little people” of the world will no longer be considered “little.” We’ll all just be people. The way it should be.
    Also, ozone is apparently unaware that we consider him a person of suspicion in that Beantown Bombing yesterday. He is usually extremely punctual in posting after JHK has released his latest post, and yet ozone didn’t post until late yesterday evening. You and I have our alibis; we were here posting when the cowardly act took place, but ozone was nowhere to be found, and considering his profile, he now becomes a suspect. Hey ozone, we have our eyes on you, so choose your moves wisely.

  147. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    The following comment was censored from another blog I visit. The author of the post, amongst other things, said about the bombing:
    our nation reeled
    Really? It reeled? The only reeling that was going on was the film from the non-stop coverage to further “our nation” in its addiction to victimized catastrophe. We don’t enable it in our home. No news coverage, period. The news turns potential to fudge. It turns brilliant minds to dust. It’s a destroyer. It shapes everyone who watches it into homogenous lumps of nondescript gelatin.
    We weren’t reeling, in any of the usages of that word. In fact, the event wasn’t even mentioned. We had many more immediate and important conflicts that required our attention. For example, my son and I watched Saving Private Ryan and we discussed how he must never, ever go to war because war is not about protecting your family, it’s about securing profits for the legalized thieves amongst us. Together, we dissected Spielberg’s propaganda piece and the director’s motives became rather transparent. Tonight, we’ll watch some Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the United States to gain a more accurate picture of how things really work.

  148. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    if they witness their elected representative not representing them but instead subordinating their will (as expressed through democratic elections) to that of the new flood of illegal aliens.
    “Illegal aliens” are the face of the USA. Our acceptance of them is what makes us unique. In a representative democracy somebody’s will (the minority) is always subordinated. That is the way the game is set up. You are now the new minority. Play by the rules.
    You were happy with the game as long as Christian white males were in the majority. Now that people of color are in power and now that the future belongs to people of color, suddenly you say it is “subordinating” your will. Sour grapes.
    Christian white males had their day. Now a new day has come. IT IS YOU WHO IS NOT PATRIOTIC because you are not accepting the will of the people who have elected a person of color to the White House … twice. You are now a spectator, or at most a loyal opposition. Mostly you are no longer relevant. Our country, tolerant and diverse in its multicultural glory, will be better off in the future. Sorry you don’t see that.

  149. lucky 13 April 16, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    One of the highest yield crops [that was the curse of the Irish].
    Or the highest yield crop.
    Easy to grow.
    Beware of GMO varieties.

  150. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    The U.S. is only a democratically representative republic on paper, not in effect. In effect, it’s a Plutocratic Oligarchy. It always has been, and it always will be. When it ceases to be that, it will no longer be the United States.
    Considering that, Cavepainters’ scenario is a non sequitur.

  151. stelmosfire April 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Hey Buck, Taters are a specialtty of mine I grow them in tire stacks.Check here:

  152. rube-i-con April 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Christian white males had their day. Now a new day has come. IT IS YOU WHO IS NOT PATRIOTIC because you are not accepting the will of the people who have elected a person of color to the White House … twice.
    yes, just remember that this person of color speaks non-black-accented english, comports himself rather ‘white’, is a reasonable enough fellow who seeks to unite the country – a decidedly non-black trait when you recall the black ‘leaders’ who only foment hate and a gimme attitude. i like obama, and i vote for him. not based on his color, which is apparently your sole justification for liking him, in which case that is the most stupid of reasons, and the very definition of racism, loving/hating someone based on skin color.
    how much shallower can you get?
    i reserve the right to be wrong, in which case i will disavow having said any of the above
    peace peaceniks

  153. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    not based on his color, which is apparently your sole justification for liking him
    I voted for Obama (the first time) because of his work as a Senator on the loose nukes legislation, because of his promise (not kept) to close Gitmo, because he promised to end the USA involvement in Iraq (a promise he kept) and because he was the most liberal Senator in the Senate, to the left of Teddy Kennedy. And, yes, he is reasonable and intelligent.

  154. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    The meme rings on,……all wrongs in the world are simply a problem of insufficient pigmentation. Might I draw your attention to some of the ritualized practices among the mezo-American empires – hmmm, no Whites there.
    You speak a cant that is as obtuse to reality as any religious dogma. But then, that’s what such beliefs (whether prophetic religion or secular idealism) is all about, platitudes dismissing the discomforting testimony of anthropology, zoology, history and other bodies of knowledge produced through rigorous critical analysis.
    The greatest amount of diversity within the human population was when its number was much less across the globe and with little competition for resources. Your stance is one of denial not different from the global warming deniers.
    Rather than indulging grandiloquent hyperbole you’d do better to consult mathematic probabilities.

  155. progress4conserving April 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm #


  156. progress4conserving April 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm #


  157. progress4conserving April 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    whatever, asoka.

  158. Rhino April 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    Yo Charlie, don’t know if you saw it but Ozone a week or two ago raised a good question: how did this site get so ruined and what were the motivations behind it? And so a number of us had a conversation on the issue.
    To reiterate some of my own take on it:
    Did you notice how KDog outed Asoka, how Asoka quickly disappeared, how Carol Newquist and Adequatio suddenly appeared as commenters.
    And you also wonder, why did KDog suddenly vanish?
    Look at what we talk about, look at what this site is dedicated to: the idea that our current way of life is unsupportable. A growing shortage of energy, a degraded environment, irretrievably corrupt financial systems run for the sole benefit of a few families at the pinnacle of the economic and social pyramid. And so what do we do about it?
    Subversive wouldn’t you say? At least from the point of view of those at the top of the food chain – the 1% – in whose interest it is to maintain the status quo, to maintain their own exalted positions at everyone else’s expense. The 1% would see this site as subversive, that is, if they had the wit. Which most of them don’t. Their intellectual reach doesn’t extend far enough. They aren’t like the Chinese nomenklatura who know enough to ruthlessly suppress dissent on the web. The gangsters running China know enough to fear the people they rule.
    So MOST of the 1% have no fear because they haven’t got the neurological heft. But some DO have it. They can see what’s coming, they have an understanding of history, of human nature, an appreciation for bodies of knowledge that their peers dismiss as a waste of time. And they can see their own peril because they’ve seen what’s happened to the upper classes of other countries at other times in history.
    So maybe some of the 1% see it as worthwhile to dedicate some of their vast resources to disrupting sites like this one. And so you have commenters posting reams of irrelevancies, often semi-pornographic irrelevancies, torrents of pointless insults, reams of rhetoric in explicit support of policy that benefits the interests of the 1%.
    Like what? Like opening borders to unrestricted immigration. To what end? Suppressing wages, thereby further enriching the 1%, by creating a desperate, easily exploited, marginalized political and economic underclass.
    What else? Support of offshoring of business to slave wage regimes that pitilessly suppress local wages and standards of living. To what end? Enrichment of the 1%.
    What else? Vocal support of present day monetary policy. To what end? To support the schemes and scams and swindles on Wall Street that’s benefit the small financial elite that ruined the country.
    What else? Multi-culturalism. To what end? Dividing a citizenry that no longer see one another as fellow citizens, the better to emasculate them, to dilute their collective power and more easily manipulate and rule over them.
    What else? Heaping scorn on White, working class Americans, portraying them as a group as decadent, slothful, unworthy of a decent standard of living. To what end? To better justify less for them and more for the truly deserving, that is, the 1%.
    Is the poster disinenguous? Maybe. Or maybe the poster truly detests Americans in general and and people like us in particular for reasons known best to him. Disingenuous or no, the poster has the effect of eliciting a response from you, very often from myself. And others. And maybe THAT was the real point of it. Never mind that the poster was/is near universally ridiculed and reviled. His posts derailed and disrupted and impeded the flow of conversation.
    Want my opinion? As racist, contemptuous, irrelevant, ridiculous, absurd and insulting as these posters can be, ignore them. Do not engage with them. No point to the disruption if it doesn’t disrupt. No point trying to elicit anger by insulting and provoking if nobody takes the bait. So don’t take it.

  159. Rhino April 16, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    “and also a US government so deep underwater on its debt obligations that Treasury Secretary Jack Lew shares office space with the giant squid of the Aleutian Trench.- JHK
    Central bankers know just one thing and that’s to print money. And, if that doesn’t work worth a damn, the solution is pedal-to-the-metal money printing.
    And, if in fact the “promiscuous” (JHK’s word) printing of money has proven to be disastrous (see the sequence of asset bubbles and busts in the last 20 years), well they don’t let THAT stand in their way.
    What of the experience of Germany in the 1920’s? Never mind that too. Marrying up economic theory with real world events is SUCH a drag.
    And so central bankers never let historical experience dissuade them. And they sightlessly ignore other countries where money printing never worked. Like, for instance, Japan whose asset bubbles detonated more than 20 years ago and whose governments and financial regulators ludicrously propped up walking-dead banks and suppressed interest rates. What’s the central bank of Japan committed to? Money printing galore. Sound familiar?
    What’s that you say? Engorging the financial system with counterfeit dough for decades was a disaster? It didn’t work? Why would it work now?
    Well yeah, we know it didn’t work. We know it was a disaster. You can see the mess all over America and Europe and Japan. Financial carcasses of families and businesses and entire towns and cities and states litter the lanscape. So what. Since when did that matter?
    I mean, don’t be daft. Central bankers never let inconvenient facts get in the way of academic consensus. Especially they don’t let grubby facts get in the way of what their masters in the securities industry scream for. And what the maggots on Wall Street want are cheap interest rates and oodles of liquidity. All in aid of running their scams for a bit longer. And so the policy of Japan’s central bank is to do more of what is a proven disaster. And the same with the Fed and other central banks.
    So what’s the game with gold? Just this: cut ’em off at the pass. What’s the refuge for people that want to preserve the value of their savings when central bankers seemingly lose their minds? Gold. The Fed wants you to move out of cash and up the risk curve. But NOT into gold. Increases in the price of gold and an elevated gold price give all the wrong signals. They signal trouble. But the Fed wants you to not worry, to be happy, to shut off your brain. So the game of central banks is to suppress the price of gold. Sell as much of the stuff as they can. And so create panic selling of gold. Make gold-owners rush for the exits. You’ve heard the mantra: don’t fight the Fed. Some real smartypants those Fed guys are, no?
    But there’s a little glitch. Because for every sale that happens there is both a seller AND a buyer. That’s what makes markets. So what happens when the Fed and other central banks find their vaults have no more gold? Now THAT will be interesting. Because then their utter intellectual bankruptcy will become apparent if it isn’t already. And so will their pure, rank whoredom in the service of Wall Street interests.
    The real world will intervene as it always does. Like Little Toto drawing back the curtain to show Ben the flustered wizard frantically pulling levers, creating smoke, shouting into microphones. And all he’s done is to create buying opportunities for gold for people that don’t trust central banks. And there are a lot of people that don’t trust central banks. And the more money they print the more people distrust central banks. And the more buyers of gold they create.
    Oh, and who can forget Cyprus. Lovely, sunny Cyprus where it was conclusively shown that an economy of taxi drivers and tax evaders will not work. Did you hear? The media were saying that the Cypriot Prime Minister’s warned his close associates about the impeding bank debacle so they could hustle their deposits out. Nice to be an insider. The fix is in suckers.
    Have to leave. Bobo’s goin’ schmuckin’.

  160. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    Bringing vast number of non-Whites was for the same purpose: securing their power by weakening the Nation via diversity. You say the non-Whites should assimilate? Why? Who’s gonna make them? They have the Elite on their side against the Whites and any and all Patriots of any color.
    And why they assimilate of their own accord to a Culture that is obviously dying and can’t even protect its own borders – against them for instance. Did the German invaders assimilate to the Culture of the losing Celts in England? Or did they not in fact assimilate and/or exterminate and/or drive the Celts out of England and into Wales, Scotland, and Brittany?
    Centuries later, large numbers of Breton and Welsh soldiers joined with the Normans to crush the Saxons. A bit of revenge served cold.

  161. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    Rather than indulging grandiloquent hyperbole you’d do better to consult mathematic probabilities.
    Whatever. Math is abstract. Pure abstraction. Numbers only exist in the mind. Have you ever seen the square root of a negative number? We have been using mathematics to “solve real world problems” … how’s that working out for you?
    People have been wrong big time by relying on mathematics. Take Malthus, for example. He was wrong when he said (in 1798): “population, when unchecked, goes on doubling every 24 years or increases in the geometric ratio.” Do the math.
    Malthus was wrong because we don’t live in a purely mathematical universe. Things are more complicated.
    Math is seductive because, in abstraction, you can control all the variables. Life isn’t like that.

  162. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

    What was its purpose? Not idle curiousity – I’m considering doing the same. Have you stayed away from grains and bread – the primal sin according to the Paleo Diet People?

  163. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Theoretical Math goes beyond the physical realm into its own realm. But even that has found use in the physics of relativity. But regular arithmetic describes and predicts ordinary physical reality rather well. Disingenuous as ever. Malthus was wrong because of technological developments. But his disaster is only late not stopped. We cannot expect further developments to save us. It’s possible, but we can’t therefore Expect it. Rhino and Bill will have trouble with the difference here.

  164. stelmosfire April 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Adequatio Says:
    “In short, “chained CPI” is just a fancy way to say “cut benefits for seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans.”
    “Two-thirds of seniors rely on Social Security for most of their income; one-third rely on it for at least 90% of their income. These people aren’t stashing their Social Security checks in the Cayman Islands and buying vacation homes in Aruba – they are hanging on by their fingernails to their place in the middle class.”
    Here is a quote from the two faced liar From MA:
    “Today my brother lives on his Social Security. That’s about $1,100 a month. $13,200 a year.”
    Elizabeth Warren’s net worth is $14.5 million, her brother lives on $13,000 from Social Security, and she’s up bellyaching about the chained CPI because of the limits in the increase in benefits her brother and other Social Security recipients are gonna get. Her brother lives on $13,000 a year. She has millions of dollars. Now, are families not supposed to help each other anymore?
    SZhe feels this is totally the government’s job, and what that means is that Mrs. Warren says that you need to pay for her brother? Because where does the government get its money? It gets it from us. So you ought to pay for her brother! She’s not gonna help her brother. Obama doesn’t help his brother, who lives in a hut in Kenya. So you have a Senator from Massachusetts actually complaining about the chained CPI and the way it will limit increases because her brother lives on 13 grand, while she and her husband have multiple millions of dollars.
    I’m sorry. In a pure compassion realm, this thought process doesn’t compute with me. I thought these liberals owned compassion and understanding and charity and sharing and so forth! But I keep forgetting: Not with their money! It’s always everybody else’s they spend. She’s not gonna spend a dime of her money on her brother.Please give as much as possible.
    I just sent a check to the Feds for 2.5 large on top of the money they already deducted. I read that the military sent two B-2’s to scare the boogie-man in the DPRK at the cost of $80,000 per hour apiece for a 30 hour flight. They dropped flour bombs! OOh I’m scared. That $80,000 does not even cover the cost of development or construction. Try more like $1,000,000.00 an hour. Yippee!! Can a I send another check?

  165. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Rhino and Bill will have trouble with the difference here.
    Just as you apparently have trouble distinguishing a Black Swan event from a White Swan event.

  166. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 3:29 pm #

    Phewiee! Circuitous thinking (a thought chasing its own tail) isn’t abstraction? Humans process sensory imput into concepts (abstractions via the neo cortex)for apprehension (or construing, if you will)notions of reality. Math is a tool (yes, abstraction)for gauging reliability of notions of reality. Please, get your head out the clouds or out of your a__.

  167. Beantownbill April 16, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

    Why can’t we expect further development to save us? Please elaborate.

  168. Beantownbill April 16, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    RT, not taking any sides, but maybe Warren is implying that SS is her brother’s only source of stated income. Any money he might get from his sister to boost his standard of living is not considered income, but a gift. In other words, her statement doesn’t imply, in itself, that she doesn’t help him. You’d have to ask her herself to find that out. Just sayin’.

  169. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    Would I need to understand the key theorems of Euclid’s Elements of Geometry to take your advice?
    And then will someone come along with a non-Euclidian geometry, just when I thought Euclidian geometry was the only valid way to deal with points, lines, surfaces, and solids?
    Which of the different mathematical systems do you recommend? There are so many that it is confusing my ability to “gauge” the “reliability” of “notions” of “reality.” Phewiee!

  170. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    Warren should have left her brother out of it. Personal anecdotal stories always fall flat, or backfire. It detracts from the fact that there are many who rely on Social Security to live and they don’t have relatives who are worth $14 million.

  171. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    The point she is making is: why should anyone who works for 30 or 40 years end up with so little Social Security income and have to rely upon the good will of others (family or not) to survive. The minimum wage should be higher and the social security age should be lowered to 60 years to create work for the millions of unemployed looking for work: Both documented and undocumented, because everyone needs to eat.

  172. AMR April 16, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    The widespread inability to do anything without high-tech gadgets and programs extends beyond individuals. It affects entire organizations, some of them critical. In the early days, the operational controls for railroads, electrical and gas infrastructure and the like were entirely mechanical and often hand-powered. Today, however, many of the manual backups that were left in place for a time after automation have been removed entirely. Unlit mechanical railroad signals, for example, are practically nonexistent in the US, and the electric signals that replaced them are often powered by the local electrical grid with no backup. I had an experience with this a few months ago on an Amtrak train that was forced, per FRA regulations, to slow to 15 mph on a section of track between Saratoga Springs and Schenectady that normally has a speed limit of 60 or 70 mph. Similarly, few extant gas stations have hand-powered backup pumps, so that if the grid fails they’re shit out of luck without a gas or diesel generator onsite. Meanwhile, the grid itself has lost a lot of resilience because it has been interconnected and automated to a point that it is practically impossible to isolate troubled sections from properly functioning ones and repair them. That’s why the great Northeast blackout of 2003 lasted so long and affected such a large area.
    Worse, and much scarier, the computers controlling these systems are susceptible to cyber attacks. It’s now possible for a computer whiz to wreak havoc on a scale that would have required hundreds or thousands of internal saboteurs acting in concert in the past. Most American utilities no longer have enough total manpower, let alone adequately trained manpower, to shut off hijacked computerized controls and revert to manual control in the event of an emergency. This is one of the most serious, underappreciated, and frankly preventable examples of the atrophy of the workforce and technical skill base in the US.
    The inability of individuals to function without their smart phones is arguably by design. So many mundane tasks that can be performed more thoroughly and competently by hand have been relegated completely to the ether. It’s getting harder and harder to find phone books, and many businesses have moved their employment applications entirely online with no paper option, the better to have their applicant pool’s efforts shitcanned by algorithms with no recourse. I’ve recently had applications for menial positions at Starbucks and In-N-Out Burger dropped into the Memory Hole in this fashion. No manager with a lick of sense or decency would impose such a system, but that’s asking too much of grandiose petty tyrants in HR who administer personality tests to their prospective fry cooks.
    We still have some residual technical and managerial sense in our workforce, but it’s under siege. A few seconds around the average bullshitting mediocrity in HR or PR is enough to convince me that we’re utterly fucked as a society.

  173. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

    I understand her point, and I stand by what I said. She didn’t need to use her brother as an example. She could have just said what you said, and at least then, she wouldn’t have her detractors attacking a weak anecdote.

  174. Buck's A Stud April 16, 2013 at 4:34 pm #

    Very impressive Stelmo; both the blog and the growing of potatoes! Thanks for sharing 🙂

  175. Buck's A Stud April 16, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    I don’t know other than some of the comments on one of the primal blogs I frequent started to feel a bit too dogmatic .Specifically, a number of people began to lament that their cholesterol numbers were skyrocketing and not a few primal zealots were very dismissive, and even contemptuous in some case. So that raised my eyebrow a bit. And, the whole don’t worry about fat mantra –dairy,eggs, meat – well, it just no longer felt right.
    But I will say this: that diet is a very powerful weight loss method, and, I suspect, very effective in terms of diabetes considerations.
    As far as vegan goes, so many of the adherents look incredibly vibrant and healthy to my eyes at least.
    Why are you considering a vegan diet?

  176. rube-i-con April 16, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    So what happens when the Fed and other central banks find their vaults have no more gold?
    This is not going to happen. They can simultaneously sell tons of gold and buy it back with money they create on a keyboard and that flows electronically to whatever seller they pick to buy from.
    Everyone accepts dollars. The FED can create them at will.
    They own the game.
    peace peaceniks

  177. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    Back to the point, back to the point, rather than simply attempting to flip the context. Tautology makes you no points on argument no matter how self aggrandizing to your ego.

  178. Buck's A Stud April 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    “I’ve recently had applications for menial positions at Starbucks and In-N-Out Burger dropped into the Memory Hole in this fashion.”
    Socrates stated that in a just society people fill the occupational role they’re most suited for. Well, a person that writes as well as you do has no business working at Starbucks serving coffee or Burger King flipping burgers. It’s not unlike forcing a Michael Jordan to be an offensive tackle: stupid and ultimately destructive.

  179. ComradeDystopia April 16, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn … now there’s two white people Carol Newquist can get behind.
    Anybody know where they were Monday? Visiting dear friends in the White House, or back to their old tricks?

  180. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm #

    Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn … now there’s two white people Carol Newquist can get behind.
    Not true. I detest them. How do you explain that, CD? You appear confident you have me pegged, so how do you explain that I detest them every bit as much as I detest Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh. I guess you will tell me I’m lying and make me whatever you want me to be.

  181. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    Do you have dual citizenship?

  182. Carol Newquist April 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

    Where were you when it was all going down? This is more in your wheelhouse.

  183. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    I know, girl, I’m recording it. I’d watch it “live”, but there’s a “Roseanne” marathon, a “Must Watch t.v.” on at the same time. Sometimes we have to make some tough choices…

  184. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    White males SUCK! Especially CHRISTIAN ones! As Angela Davis said, “Down with da Man!”

  185. rube-i-con April 16, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    White males SUCK! Especially CHRISTIAN ones!
    yeah but you’ll seek out a nice honky surgeon when you need to have an operation, won’t you?
    anyway, it’s fun watching the fake baiting, so keep it up, i have no assignments at the moment and it gives me something to read at least….
    peace peacenigs

  186. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Yeah, like, where WERE you??? Inquiring NEWQUISTS juan 2 no…

  187. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

    We HATE them a lot!

  188. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 5:52 pm #

    Think of how I feel being semi retired and working in interior design…

  189. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    I’m considering the Paleo diet for a cleansing. I think I have metabolic syndrome of some kind in that my blood sugar goes too high and then goes too low, a bit overweight – also maybe Candida since when I gave up sugar before I collapsed with incredibly strange symptoms which I think was the the Herxemier (sp?) reaction, the so called die off.
    But yeah, the Paleos sounded a bit nutty and some of them were running into their own problems. But there does seem to be alot of evidence that sugar kills in more ways than just diabetes. But on the other hand, their no limit meat may not be such a good idea either. The Inuit were healthy, but they lived in a very extreme climate. Most of the world’s people ate less meat than we do and that seems to be the natural diet of man.

  190. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

    Now you’re catching on, grasshopper! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

  191. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 6:02 pm #

    There isn’t enough Paleo diet in the world to clean all the sh_t out of you. Sad but true…

  192. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    I got into this with Rhino but he didn’t respond. There are patterns such as the one he harps on, but they aren’t set in stone like causality or 1+1=2. Just because White Barbarians took to Civilization doesn’t mean all Barbarians can or will. But the way he talks, it’s as sure as a+b=b+a. Likewise your idea of techno-salvation. Maybe, maybe not. And if so, probably just another delay. And who is thinking most seriously about these things? The Globalists whose solution is Totalitarianism with them on top. And to get there they are happy to lie and kill on a massive scale.
    If you find this interesting, check out David Hume. All scientific knowledge is probable knowledge. The Sun may rise tomorrow, it probably will, but you can’t PROVE it.

  193. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    Plus he’s a hot black man and rumored to have a huge, thick Johnson. More than enough reason for me to vote for him. Michelle is a lucky girl, like your wife, Ms. Soak is!

  194. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    Nope, and now I have no citizenship because it has been annulled by sale of sovereignty to global finance and transnational corporations, but also surrendered by allowing immigration laws to default to however many foreign nationals choose to ignore them. So,it seems, those of your persuasion are winning.

  195. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 6:51 pm #

    The stupidity of the American People on display. No decent person wants zombies like these (the majority) voting.

  196. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

    now I have no citizenship
    No, you have voluntarily renounced your status as citizen by refusing to accept change, choosing victim-hood, choosing to blame others, whining about “foreign nationals” and “sovereignty” (which means you think the country should be run like Burger King: you want it your way.
    People who cross a border without papers, then work hard for years or decades, pay taxes, never get into trouble, attend church and love their families are not “illegal.” This country belongs to those Americans (documented or undocumented) who are here building it and loving it instead of bellyaching. Take your “sovereignty” and shove it.
    Yes, they are winning because they embrace citizenship. You deny your citizenship. They accept change and feel grateful to be here. You whine about others and play the victim card. But you are losing. You have rejected America.

  197. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    ^You have rejected America. You never understood America if you think it has to do with lines on a map, if you think being born inside those lines gives you special privileges. The whole concept of America has eluded you.^

  198. UtilityT April 16, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    Rube-I-Con: It would be truly sad if I were banned from this board. I DO enjoy Jim’s astute observations and cutting comments because he more-often-than-not gets it right. Often, just not all the time. But that’s ok. In my 57 years I haven’t met anyone who’s gotten it 100% right, each and every time (me included). But I’ll settle for MOSTLY right. What I don’t get about this forum is how posters can get into the name calling and shitting on each other so fast. Sad. Emotions over intellegence. Kids, problems don’t get fixed with actions like that. And if the state of the nation is any indication, there are one big boatload of problems that need fixing.
    In the end, it’s Jim’s board. He can ban me if he so desires. But I don’t expect it to happen.
    Keep those coal burning units fired, those nuke units percolating, those wind farms spinning and those hydro units watered. I like my frequency at 60 Hz.

  199. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    Yeah, I accept the charge. I’m guilty of accepting that by legal definition “citizen” is exclusionary, and too, sovereignty as legal entity does mean borders of jurisdiction.
    To your credit current events demonstrate that the sophistry of rapturous religious faith in secular idealism is displacing the Western principles of governance that our republic was based upon. I guess the “rapture pitch” of harmonious humanity bears more of the feel good punch like other entertainment distraction , as opposed to dour intellectual rigor. Quoting Kurt Vonnegut in his novel “Slaughter House Five”, “So it goes”.

  200. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    I like mine at 212. Water is hot at 211 degrees. At 212 degrees, it boils, and that’s enough to power a steam locomotive, baby. 212 Baby!
    Newquist fever….I’m Carol Newquist now…Newquist fever…I think it’s goin around! (and around and around and around!!!)

  201. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 8:27 pm #

    200th!!!!!!! Newquist fever…I think it’s goin around…
    Three dots…no more…no less…
    God, I look fabulous
    in this new, Sunday go to meetin’ dress,
    I wish ya’ll could see
    the beauty that is MEEEEE!
    It’s Carol Newquist, baby!!!

  202. adequatio April 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    I’m guilty of accepting that by legal definition “citizen” is exclusionary, and too, sovereignty as legal entity does mean borders of jurisdiction.

    All that is in the past. It is a new world now. For example, money used to be pieces of metal or pieces of paper that people exchanged, but all that has changed. Money is “currency” i.e. a current of electrons that appear on a screen.
    Money is limitless. Bernanke has won the argument against the goldbugs who have been claiming for decades that endless printing of money would lead to hyperinflation. Hyperinflation has not happened. We don’t even have normal inflation with inflationary levels often at less than 2%.
    Krugman and Bernanke were right. The goldbug conspiracy theorists preaching hyperinflation were wrong.
    -0.4% … 2009
    1.6% … 2010
    3.2% … 2011
    2.1% … 2012
    1.6% … 1/2013

  203. Jam47 April 16, 2013 at 8:50 pm #

    The paleo diet is for rich people. If you’re on the paleo diet you have to eat a lot of meat. Any meat that’s not relatively free of growth hormones, of antibiotics, and of pesticides (the result of the animals in question being fed pesticide-tainted food) is going to increase your body’s toxic burden. Unless you eat organic meats, the paleo diet is the very opposite of cleansing. I used the word “relatively” earlier because even organically certified meat and chicken is tainted. But if you do decide on a paleo diet, it would be wise to go organic. But organic flesh-foods are very expensive.
    The Herxheimer die-off that you believe you may have experienced probably wasn’t. Herxheimer is the result of Candida death, as you know. But if sugar (I’m assuming you’re talking about sucrose) isn’t available, the Candida fungus will happily live on bread, potatoes, pasta, fresh and dried fruit. Candida is a hardy bastard. It’s usually only when you begin to take candida-killing agents that Herxheimer kicks in.
    Eliminating sugar from your diet can actually worsen–temporarily–a hypoglycemic problem. The symptoms you experienced after eliminating sugar may have been a sign of hypoglycemia. The dietary part of hypoglycemia treatment commits you to eating only low-glycemic foods. Fortuitously, this is the same diet that is recommended to Candida sufferers. This means you can tackle both simultaneously. But if your condition improves, you won’t know whether hypoglycemia or Candida was the culprit.
    In my view, the most important thing you can do to stave off degenerative disease is to detoxify you blood and organs. In principle, this is easy–stop ingesting poisonous food and water, and clear out the toxin build-up that’s already there. In practice, the non-ingestion part is also easy, providing you have the money for organic food and filtered water. The hard part is getting the toxins out. This is a big subject, and a peak-oil blog is not the place to cover even the basics. But I’m going to recommend a book: “Sauna Therapy” by Lawrence Wilson. It’s available through Amazon.
    If your liver is unable to adequately remove the toxins from your blood (the liver’s seven or eight conjugation systems have to be working properly, and sometimes they don’t) you have to rely on your sweat glands to take up the slack.

  204. carolnewquist... April 16, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    A lost art that I still practice is that of sewing. I have been able to sew a suit of clothes with high quality material for less than $75.00. I’m talking linen, here, not cotton. The buttons I used were whale bone. I double stitched the hems and sleeves. I once considered a career in high fashion but was unable to design the clothes, only manufacture them. And who wants to work as a seamstress?
    So I settled for a career in interior design. When you work for someone else you pretty much have to follow whatever the fashion is for its day. For example, when I first started out in the industry, furniture had to match and upholstery had to be a staid mix of plaid and solid or floral and solid. There was no room for innovation. Which was kind of a shame because I was always on the cusp of wanting to mix things up, like putting something modern in the middle of rococo. I also believed, very early in my career, that placing any Asian influence into an interior room not only knocked it off a traditional balance but enhanced its visual appeal.
    And now you look at the industry and even an outfit like “Rooms to Go” has these touches added on. I guess I was just too far ahead of my time in that regard. We in the industry call “Rooms to Go” “Rooms that Blow”…sorry to offend any of you that buy crap there…but that’s what it is, crap.
    Can you believe that Cindy Crawford actually pitches that crap? I mean, I never in my life so somebody sell out for so little. I always felt she had some class but no more. The stuff falls apart 6 months after you buy it!
    Perhaps I sound like a bitter woman, but really I’m not. I think the world was not ready for me. Now as I embark on my new career, Carol Newquist…novelist, I think the world is ready to hear the nuggets of my wisdom. I am old enough to know the truth but young enough to identify emerging trends. I guess that’s what brought me to Jim’s site. He kind of gets the fact that the people who contribute here are like him, artistic, talented, and in need of a voice. Hats off to you, Jim Kunstler, for providing me with a platform.
    And now, soon, I will be giving back to Jim, and all of you, by preparing to release chapter 3 of my latest novel…

  205. stelmosfire April 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    As a matter of fact I did Asoka. I tend to pack wherever I go. No biggee. My piece fits in my front pocket. Eric Holder can suck my tiny white dick. Maybe he should go after the real ciminals in the USA.Can you say Wall Street? Looters of the middle class. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot, he is on the Wall Street payroll along with your love-in mate Obama! Bite me you socialist piece of crap. E.C. is on the case in the Boston Bombing. I am sure he will git-ur-dun! Asshole!!!

  206. Dalls7941 April 16, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

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They don’t have to learn English. Everything youbuy has a page written in Spanish; they have their own supermarketsections, Lowe’s has their own aisle in Spanish, etc. There is noneed for them to learn our language.Fix sewers firstTo the person who wrote in about the embarrassment of theirstreet. Try living in a home where you cannot use the utilitiesbecause of Ballwin’s sewer system being messed up. I think itshould be fixed long before the streets are repaired.Shoot down the reptilesI tuned into a movie on the Science Fiction channel the otherday after it started. It was about prehistoric reptiles flyingaround during World II, fighting American soldiers, some of whomwere women flying airplanes. I have never seen anything sounbelievable. They wanted us to believe that women were flyingbombers and fighter planes during World War II. How gullible dothey think we are? 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  207. shorty April 16, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

    The twit reporting the above govt numbers conflates “inflation” with “CPI”. CPI as computed by your rulers includes the novel concept of “hedonics”. An example: a Big Mac gut bomb cost $3 in say 2012. In 2013 the Big Mac still costs $3 but was “improved” into a gut nuke with extra fat/cheese/salt/bacon so it tastes twice as good. That is -50% inflation using the concept of hedonics….factor it into the CPI. Another example: your old flat screen porn box had 720 pixels/sq.in. Your new flat screen porn box has 1440 pixels/sq.in at the same price. That is -50% inflation….factor it into the CPI. Crunch the hedonic adjusted numbers and you arrive at a CPI suitable for the masses of asses and their gurus. It’s called “hedonics”…….

  208. Jam47 April 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    Of the three big guns of early English empiricism–Locke, Berkeley, Hume–Hume is supposed to have fired the heaviest slugs. Could be. But Berkeley’s argument about sense data is the most astounding–to me. “Absurd but irrefutable,” Russell pronounced it. And it definitely helps to fortify the pro-God position.
    If everything we know we know through our senses, then what lies beyond our senses we don’t know. If our arguments against the existence of God are built on a foundation of what we know through sense experience–and what else could they be built on?–our arguments against God’s existence presume that God is amenable to such experience. If God–the essence, not the effects–cannot be caught by sensation, then all arguments that endeavor to prove that God does not exist are unsound.
    This argument occurred to me while I was reading your post abut Hume. Tomorrow I might realize it’s nonsense.

  209. stelmosfire April 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm #

    Sorry should have been E.H. is on the case. Worthless piece of money bought piece of trash.Kill the middle class and give the country away to the 1 % ers and the illegal immigrants. Nice plan.

  210. Cavepainter April 16, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Damn, you got me again with your unending aphorisms herolding reality replaced by a future pictured as something like the embellished studio sets of televangelist programs, or, like those Sunday school booklets picturing a smiling Christ clustered around by happy, plump, fresh washed children and lions peacably laying next to lambs. Almost irresistable in all its spendor. Where do all these special effect musing come from? Certainly not from population/resource ratio tracts. But, then again, I get stuck on objective facts. My weakness.

  211. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    Thank you very much. I think it was Herxheimer since I had slowly given up all high glycemic foods and drinks. It hit like a hammer and was quite different than hypoglycemia which I was familiar with.
    Don’t worry about the blog. It is strong and has weathered other storms worse than this. Or from another angle: there has to be someplace where one can talk about anything and everything. We’re at a Cyber Bar and the tale of my woe will provide amusement and satisfaction for the other patrons.
    I ordered some Nystatin but it is very expensive and I don’t know the quality since I have no prescription and the order came from Thailand.
    What do you think of enemas, which some advise for this? The Sauna sounds like a good idea and I will look into it. I was very frightened at the time of the attack since I had no idea what it was. And my Wholistic Practicioner didn’t catch it either. I had to diagnose myself.
    To be viable, these people have to keep up with trends or what is “hot”. I’m sure that when Candida was in vogue she would have thought of it. But that was a while ago. She just thought I was run down due to the American Lifestyle and that my attack was from weakened adrenals. I still take the supplement she reccomended since I’m sure there was some truth in that. She used a device that tested the charge on my various points and was an accredited accupuncturist. Whether that is an improvement over the Traditional I have no idea. But a Traditional Chinese wouldn’t know about Candida probably. She should have.

  212. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

    Sounds a bit Kantian. But I agree. The highest level thought tends towards Agnosticism. Martin Gardner chewed on these things all his life. In the end, he believed but for reasons of the heart. Apparently he had a mystical type experience. He called his approach “fidelism” and quoted Pascal’s, the heart has reasons that the intellect knows not of.
    Russell called himself an Atheist I believe, even though he knew it could not be proved. But his Summary of Western Thought is fine and he is fair to Berkley whom he thought was quite good. He thought St Augustine was a genius at Philsophy and lamented that he written so little of it, focusing on Revelation and Theology instead.

  213. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    You sound like a Racist. Don’t you want your daughter to bring home a Black Man for dinner? And to have little nappy haired grandkids sitting in your lap? Wouldn’t you rather she bring home a White Racist and have grandkids who might look like you?

  214. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    These poor fools don’t know what they’re so glibly giving up. I saw an interview from San Francico about the illegals. A couple of twinks were saying what’s the big deal? They’re just immigrants like we were. We were illegal too from the pov of the Indians or should I say “Native Americans”?
    Let the patrons ponder this gem from Giuseppe Mazzini: “Without country you have neither name, token, voice, nor rights nor admission as brothers into the fellowship of the Peoples. You are the bastards of Humanity. Soldiers without a banner, Israelites among the nations, you will find neither faith nor protection; none will be sureties for you. Do not beguile yourselves with the hope of emancipation from unjust social conditions if you do not first conquer a Country for yourselves.

  215. Beantownbill April 16, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    Think about the physical aspect of seeing, one of our 5 senses. Physiologically, we see in a certain range of the electromagnetic spectrum, that which we call visible light. We can’t see in wavelengths beyond either end of this range, such as in the infrared. So how do we know these other wavelengths exist?
    By our experiencing them with the use of tools, such as a spectrometer or night vision glasses. Thus your assertion that what we can’t sense through our 5 senses we can’t know about is incorrect. If there is a God, we would have already physically proven his existence, or at least, have hints how to proceed to prove it. That we cannot is a strong indication that there’s nothing to prove.

  216. Janos Skorenzy April 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    That’s like Stalin asking the Cosmonauts if they had seen God “up there”. You can prove God’s existence but you have to make yourself the both the subject and the object of investigation.
    Do you accept the evidence for life after death? Not the physical evidence since how can there be physical evidence of a non physical reality? But the psychic evidence based on human experience. You’re Jew and must have doctors in your family. Ask them about the people who leave their bodies during operations and can describe what happened from their vantage point of floating around the ceiling. You don’t accept this do you? You reject it out of hand (for no good reason). So how can you be expected to fairly consider the far more subtle experiences of the Mystics – or try to be one yourself?

  217. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 12:25 am #

    What do you think of enemas, which some advise for this?
    There are good bacteria in yr colon.
    Some have died from enemas / colonics.
    This can be verified online.
    Forget ‘food combining, intestinal cleansing, enzyme rich foods, etc’.

  218. kenuck April 17, 2013 at 12:27 am #

    I’ve taken up heavy drinking and daily masturbation..never know how this will play out.

  219. Beantownbill April 17, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    I only accept evidence that can be proven true without a reasonable doubt. As you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For example, people who believe that UFOs are of alien origin have never shown us undeniable proof that this is so. We’ve never publicly been shown ANY physical evidence, despite claims that such evidence exists.
    If you told me you flipped a coin and it came up tails 15 times in a row, it would be unlikely,but entirely possible. It would be reasonable for me to believe you. If I desired, I could subject a coin to an experiment using a rapid-use coin-tossing machine, and after “x” million tosses, somewhere in the record of such tosses might well be a sequence where tails came up 15 times in a row. Thus your claim is provable, even though I wasn’t there when you did the coin tosses. In other words, your claim could be reproduced.
    An out of body experience is a spectacular claim; therefore, for me to believe it, I would need spectacular evidence that a consciousness existed outside its body. It would be more reasonable to explain the phenomenon by stating it was an hallucination. The subject giving accurate information about what was going on in the room while the subject was unconscious doesn’t mean a supernatural event occurred.
    Using this method of reasoning leads me to believe it is highly unlikely any part of us survives after death. Believing otherwise, while wistfully nice, just isn’t more than wishful thinking to assuage one’s fear of death. Not believing in an afterlife isn’t so bad, it just makes me appreciate life all that much more.

  220. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:06 am #

    Thanks for the input. I have experienced good results from food combining though. Bread with protein is a no no for me. God never made a sandwich.
    Some people go nuts with colonics. You can die if you drink too much water too.

  221. Julian C. Lee April 17, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    “A couple of twinks were saying what’s the big deal? They’re just immigrants like we were. We were illegal too from the pov of the Indians…”
    Maybe too much success corrupts. Maybe part of our problem is that our fathers gave us too much, worked to hard for us, and fought to hard for us. So we don’t understand reality any more. Fathers (plus the mothers) fight for space and prosperity for their progeny. What these ‘twinks’ are basically doing is devaluing, even spitting on, on their forefathers’ gift.
    It’s also an aspect of over-sophistication, the kind of over-sophistication that Lao Tzu said ruined the simple people. Never mind the loud Jewish voice percolating through colleges and installing their particular brand of insanity: Simply send them to college and pretty soon they are out of touch with simple realities and giving away the store to the alien. It may take hard loss and being strangers in their own country — and seriously threatened in their own country like the White South Africans — before Real Life flashes in their besotted minds.

  222. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:24 am #

    No, remember we’re (supposedly) approaching this question objectively and free from previous bias. If someone can see what’s going on when they’re under anaesthetic, it is supernatural or beyond the realm of the five material senses. For you to call it hallucination is irrational – if the person has given accurate information. My hypothesis is rational. It only seems irrational to you because you are conflating/confusing rational with sensual – which is the very thing we are supposedly debating.
    Just like what you say to Prog: we can talk about anthing – anything that’s not anti-Semitic, thus closing off any real conversation about this sensitive subject since you get to define what that means.
    Assuming the very thing that is being argued is a logical fallacy, one that you specialize in.
    Another possibility is that the subjects are telepathic and can read the mind of the doctors and nurses. Btw, this is far more spectacular and unusual than life beyond the body.

  223. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 2:03 am #

    Yes, it seems to be part of the Tragedy of Life. A man naturally wants to pass his wealth and success to his children, but at what cost? The good times thus contain the seed of their own destruction. In the Lord of the Rings, the happy reign of Aragorn was brief and the young of Minas Tirith turned to “Orc Games”. Krishna’s Sons in his City of Dwarka became arrogant thugs and mocked a great Sage until he cursed them unto their doom.
    200 Years is the average lifespan of a Regime or Dynasty. We have surpassed that and we seem to be falling. Thus if it wasn’t the Jews, it might have been someone else or just our own Elite oppressing their own. The real Nightmare is that it’s not just one Nation but our whole Western Civilization that’s falling this time. And it might never rise again since there is no pure unaffected Nation or Tribe to replenish it this time.

  224. Eleuthero5 April 17, 2013 at 3:57 am #

    I find the phrase “anti-Semitic” to be among the most farcical of common social expressions since the vast majority of Jews in the world do NOT come from ANY Semitic tribe. Thus, the very term “anti-Semitic” is Orwellian. Maybe back in Moses’ time the Jews might have looked Semitic but not now!!!
    Obviously, the new (and highly linguistically inaccurate) social meaning of “anti-Semitic” is strictly “anti-Jew”. Has anyone here ever heard of it being used to refer to a Syrian or Saudi? Of course not.

  225. Eleuthero5 April 17, 2013 at 4:00 am #

    I guess linguistically we’ve already reached Orwellian phases with “anti-Semitic” not really meaning “against Semitic peoples” and “gay” not really meaning “happy”. Clinically, compared to the general population, by many indices of mental health (psychiatrist visits, length of civil unions, drug use), “gay” people are among the most MOROSE people in society.
    We’re already living it, my brothers and sisters. BRAVE NEW WORLD is here. Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength … it’s not a hypothesis any longer.

  226. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 5:01 am #

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  228. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:49 am #

    There is no limit to the number of people one can love. I love my gay brothers and sisters. The gay people I’ve known find joy and laughter even in the pain and tragedy they see the so-called “straights” causing. Freud said that we are all inherently bi-sexual, with the majority of people choosing the opposite sex most of the time, a minority choosing the same sex, and a third class, bisexuals, who enjoy relations with both sexes.
    You, ‘E’, see the world as a miserable place because you are miserable inside it. You do not see the light nor the love because the world no longer fits your narrow, silly, preconceived idea of how it should operate. Like the other old white men on this thread, you reject Adequatio’s teachings, as you do Carol’s because you cannot accept being shown the way and the light by a black man or a woman.
    If you would lift up your heart to the lord, it may be that you can find inner peace. But as long as you continue to gaze down at the lint trapped in your navel, you will never understand what it means to find joy. And until you do, you will be worth nothing more than the contents of Jano’s toilet bowl after his next enema.
    Sad? You bet. Will you change? It’s highly unlikely, but not impossible. I wish you a grand voyage, my friend, for you have so very much to learn. Go now, in peace, my friend, secure in the knowledge that the god loves you and wants all of her children to find happiness and spiritual growth.

  229. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:53 am #

    The Way – Adequetio
    The Truth – Carol Newquist
    The Light – Carol Newquistdotdotdot
    Not unlike the blessed Trinity…think about it.

  230. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:55 am #

    I think that I shall never see
    A poem as lovely as a tree,
    Maybe it’s the gay in me,
    That fills my heart with jubilee!

  231. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:59 am #

    Be not afraid. Clasp the sleeve of my robe as we walk toward the light of knowledge and truth. God loves you. Peace, my friend, and lay your head down to sleep and dream of a better life. A life where children will not be judged by the color of their skin but the content of their character. Dare to dream this my friend!

  232. charliefoxtrot April 17, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    Yeah, I know…it seems to be rare for humans to understand and comprehend the nuances of something they’ve no direct experience of- and not always then, ffs…and I have been trying not to engage the trollery; just couldn’t resist this time! I mean fuck, it aint like we’re in the midst of a chronic labor shortage, so when I see that kind of pollyanna whistling…have a goodun’ z3, and don’t let yer tail fly up!

  233. charliefoxtrot April 17, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    Yeah, it seems to me the dawg might have just gotten disgusted enough to quit us…maybe just reads the weekly rant and checks back out like I’ve done more than once…I dunno what connection there might be to dud; he did bring it up hisself…

  234. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    “There is room for everyone at my table.” Jesus

  235. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Blessed art those who come in the name of the lord. Hose Anna in the highest.

  236. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    Blessed art the piece makers:
    for they shall inherent the Earth.

  237. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    No one cometh to me except through the father (Adequatio) C.Newquist

  238. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 10:23 am #

    The harvest is plenty, the laborers are few…
    And that my friends is why we must allow open immigration. Brown, strong hands and minds to due the work that lilly white ones won’t or can’t.
    All men are my brothers. JC

  239. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 10:46 am #

    The harvest is plenty, the laborers are few…
    labor shortages ”There is concern that labor shortages will emerge, given the fact that many construction-related workers left the industry as the downturn intensified,” notes Robert Murray, vice president of economic affairs at McGraw-Hill Construction, via email. “This may not be so much of an issue in 2013, but it could be more so in 2014 and 2015 as the construction industry moves closer to what may be regarded as a more normal pace of activity.”
    labor shortages “It is very difficult for employers to attract and retain enough workers to meet their demand in virtually all sectors and industries in North Dakota,” Bronars said. The store manager, Phil Graef, told the AP the store is the busiest he’s seen in the five years since he started there. Last year, the city survived record flooding, but the population has grown because of North Dakota’s oil boom. “Everybody has a ‘now-hiring’ sign in their window,” Graef said.
    labor shortages Home builders in Tampa, Fla., are reporting a shortage of construction workers … with new home construction on the rise, contractors are in need of able bodies, and a delay in construction could, at the worst, delay the region’s economic recovery, the Tampa Tribune reported.
    labor shortages Washington state apple and asparagus farmers both reported a shortage of workers this year, reflecting a nationwide lack of farmhands. Back in the summer, when the asparagus harvest was completed, Bryan Lynch, co-owner of LF Farms in Washington, said his yield was lower than usual because of fewer workers to harvest the crop, the Tri-City Herald reported.
    labor shortages In New Orleans, a city official said a lack of workers delayed removal of debris, such as tree limbs and leaves, after Hurricane Isaac. The city and its contractor said they have had to recruit laborers from out of state. “Each day we have more equipment and more labor because our contractors are having to recruit from out of state,” Michelle Thomas, New Orleans’ deputy mayor of operations, said.

  240. charliefoxtrot April 17, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    …and to put that old saw to rest: it isn’t that we don’t want to do that kind of work- it’s that we don’t want to do that kind of work for shit wages, you jackass! Pay me!

  241. stelmosfire April 17, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    Hose Anna in the Highest? Do you mean Kornikova? Count me in!

  242. stelmosfire April 17, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    Hey CN, if you’re going to quote poems at least try to get the words right, Jackass.
    I think that I shall never see
    A poem lovely as a tree.
    A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
    Against the earth’s sweet flowing breast;
    A tree that looks at God all day,
    And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
    A tree that may in Summer wear
    A nest of robins in her hair;
    Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
    Who intimately lives with rain.
    Poems are made by fools like me,
    But only God can make a tree.
    Joyce Kilmer

  243. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Chapter and verse on that?

  244. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    My God, that’s beautiful! You, Ms. Kilmer, are a great poet, and didn’t know it! Just lovely!

  245. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    Americans must learn that they must start at the bottom and work their way up. You can’t expect to be Vice President of General Motors right out of high school or college. And isn’t $7.50/ an hour better than say, NO dollars per hour?
    You see, it works like this. At first you get a job as a fruit or cotton picker. You then get promoted to dumping the bails of fruit or cotton into the bins or bags. Then you get promoted to loading the bins or bags unto the backs of the trucks. Then you get to drive the truck. Pretty soon, you get the desk job where you do billing and collections.
    Me thinks Americans have lost their way. Tsk. Tsk. We used to have such a good work ethnic.
    “Jump down, turn around, pick a bail of cotton.
    Jump down, turn around, pick a bail today!”

  246. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    The work is available if you are not lazy. Job may include using hand tools such as knives, hoes, shovels, etc. Duties may include tilling the soil, transplanting, weeding, thinning, picking, cutting, sorting & packing of harvested produce. May set up & operate irrigation equip. Work is performed outside in all weather conditions (Summertime 90+ degree weather) & is physically demanding requiring workers to bend, stoop, lift & carry up to 50 lbs on a regular basis.
    Here is the job application: http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TOJNEW_12_JAL.html

  247. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    I forgot to add that citizens and legal residents who want to do the work of undocumented farm workers will be given on-the-job training:
    Farm workers are ready to welcome citizens and legal residents who wish to replace them in the field. We will use our knowledge and staff to help connect the unemployed with farm employers.
    Just fill out the job application I linked to. Or shut the fuck up about undocumented workers taking work from you. They are there to help you and work is available.

  248. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Was Boston a False Flag? Some of the signs are there, especially the classic drill or precautions for what then actually happens.

  249. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

    Now think hard: Will the Mexican Foreman or HR person hire a White or another Mexican or Hispanic? We both know the answer to that.

  250. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

    McDonalds does not require a College degree in hirees:
    The reports seemed to reinforce a theme of some pundits of late that the value of college degrees has been oversold.” If anything, this shows that the value of a college degree is *undersold* – if you need one for even a menial job, then the importance of having one is even higher.
    Although McDonalds is unlikely to require this very broadly, since they are in practice an employer of last resort, many other employers do require college degrees for jobs that did not traditionally require them. There was a NY Times article about this with the headline ”
    It Takes a B.A. to Find a Job as a File Clerk” on Feb 19, 2013

  251. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    How much is ‘too much water’?
    I knew a hindu who believed you should clean
    yr intestines w a ‘reverse colonic’…
    drink 5 gallons of wawa in a day! 1x, not daily.
    Yr problem might be Gluten.
    Maybe stop the wheat / rye/oats for a month.

  252. progress4conserving April 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    The Triune Troll
    one ocd poster.
    zero doubt.

  253. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    For those who doubt who the [im] poster is,
    read what I am replying to.

  254. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    Are they from Virginia?
    Can someone sleuth them out?

  255. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    I can’t even dring the reccomended 64 oz a day, though I’m getting better. To drink when you’re not thirsty is weird but then you end up dehydrated if you don’t. Something isn’t working right, but is 8 big glasses of water a day really necessary for everyone every day?
    Ever try your own urine? One Hare Krishna guy said nonsense, cow urine is what you need.
    Are there any symptoms to gluten intolerance?

  256. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Pure evil and nonsense. This guy hopes that a White Male did it since they don’t get stigmatized because of White Male Privledge. The guy is stigmatizing White Males even as he speaks. And quotes Tim Wise who has made a career out of “White Privledge”.
    Apparently a dark skinned man has been arrested. Too bad Lib Scum.

  257. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    but is 8 big glasses of water a day really necessary for everyone every day?
    No, we are all different. Water consumption is over-promoted.
    In an invited review published online by the American Journal of Physiology August 8, Dr. Heinz Valtin, the Vail and Hampers professor emeritus of physiology at Dartmouth Medical School, reports no supporting evidence to back this popular counsel, commonly known as “8 x 8” (for eight, eight-ounce glasses). The review will also appear in a later issue of the journal.
    Valtin, a kidney specialist and author of two widely used textbooks on the kidney and water balance, sought to find the origin of this dictum and to examine the scientific evidence, if any, that might support it. He observes that we see the exhortation everywhere: from health writers, nutritionists, even physicians. Valtin doubts its validity. Indeed, he finds it, “difficult to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit that needs to be compensated by forcing a high fluid intake.”

  258. Bustin Jay April 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    Ad said “I forgot to add that citizens and legal residents who want to do the work of undocumented farm workers will be given on-the-job training…”
    This is a cute exercise, but misses the larger point: US Agriculture is not sustainable. Its means are not sustainable, and its ends are not sustainable.
    We all pay to subsidize corporations. The government helps fix the markets. The global players market their processed food to the world. And somewhere along the line the world’s poor are carpet bombed with low-grade subsistence foods.
    This model is our largest natural industry. We make more industrial farming equipment than anywhere else. We use our cheap commodity food to break into foreign markets. We promulgate this stance toward food and the environment by forcing everyone to compete on our level.
    And thus it is that the already massive amount of land-base is being plowed under and planted with monocrops. There is nothing that stands in the way.
    Not scarce low-wage labor or surface water availability in North America. We’re sucking it dry faster than every before. We put an area the size of Maine under the plow last year.
    In south america they stretch heavy chain between two gigantic bulldozers and just rip down acres and acres of rainforest. You can see the results from space. The large terrestrial carnivores were here, the landscape says.
    China loves a high-value meal made of living flesh. Thus, it is sending its trawlers into the Artic circle to suck up what it can as it benefits from global warming. It is going to work terra-forming Eastern Africa, building roads and sending in work parties to live as permanent resident overseers.
    Everywhere you look humanity is just ripping the world apart to get at the last juicy bits. America really isn’t any different. The last vestiges of sanity left with the scale-up of Ag. prior to the 1930s and was utterly insane by the 1950s.
    We are not doing anything different today than we did then; all the companies are there doing the same stuff, just incrementally worse.
    I don’t think we can back off this behavior gradually. Its far too dominant. The Sierra Club isn’t doing the job. You can’t negotiate with the Leviathan. The only course correction that will work is an abrupt and total capitulation. The beast must be starved to death before it kills us all.
    Now, I’m of the mind that the reason less people are interested in Agriculture is not because it is hard work, but because it is morally repugnant. Immigrants work those jobs because they can handle degradation and are so desperate their immediate survival imperatives overwhelm their ethical and moral compunctions. Also, they are less educated and intelligent.
    Sustainable agriculture would attract smart people, ethical individuals, and not screw up the environment so much. Such a culture has a future. Ours does not. Our future is expanding deserts, and annual grasping desperation throwing more and more scientific largesse at the problem of producing food in a hostile environment.
    The industrial food system wants us to keep going with business as usual. All the playas who bought farmland as a safer place to sink capital these last 4 years want us to continue BAU. Obama’s hometown Chicago mercantile exchange want to keep profitting on commodity trading. Cargill, Monsanto, Kellogg’s, General Mills, and the rest want to keep its prices low and especially, our public ignorant and denatured.
    When you stop to consider how much wastage is going on, its easy to understand where humanity’s problem is. We ship Beef to Korea, and Korea ships Beef to us. We drop Wheat on Africa and Africa sends oil to us. This massive global trading in commodities is what is unravelling the planet.
    Somebody explain to me how all this is in my best interest. WHY should we subsidize the strawberry growers? The strawberry buyers? WHY should we grant citizenship to the strawberry pickers? Because we like strawberry industry lobbyists? We like pesticide companies? We enjoy paying for the hospital treatments of farm-workers? We enjoy subsidizing the 8,000 mile breakfast treats of our neighbors? We subsidize the price of strawberries for major food producers… that make foods I don’t eat. I have to pay all the way down the line. I pay for the Mexicans driving rents up, the Mexicans using the emergency room, the Mexicans filling the schools. I have to pay for the crop subsidy, the pesticide subsidy, the groudwater analysis and cleanup, the cancer from chemicals, the obesity of the downstream consumer dying from his corn-syrup and fat laden processed foods…
    I have to deal with this barren landscape of the monocrop, the lack of species, the aesthetic blight.
    Make sense of this paradox for me: I have nothing to gain from the profit-motives of industrial agriculture, and from my perspective, much to lose.
    This isn’t the 20th century anymore, why are we dragging forward so much baggage?

  259. Buck's A Stud April 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Before embarking on a Paleo diet you might want to check out this clip – it’s extremely informative and hilarious all at the same time. (And I was also surprised to learn that vegans generally have higher testosterone levels that either meat eaters or vegetarians who still eat dairy):

  260. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    This is a cute exercise… Sustainable agriculture would attract smart people, ethical individuals, and not screw up the environment so much.
    Sustainable agriculture, too, is cute. What evidence do you have about who it attracts?
    I have some evidence to support what you say, but not much. Our local organic farm is a CSA (community-supported agriculture) farm. Some have purchased shares and some young people do internships there. But do you see large numbers of intelligent, ethical people being drawn to these kinds of endeavors on a national scale?

  261. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    Thank you Entity. One Accupuncturist just said trying to do that would just make me sick since my kidneys wouldn’t be able to handle it. I’m trying to substitute water for juice and coffee so as to get more water with less work.

  262. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    May all living beings (including Janos) be well and happy.

  263. Treeman April 17, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    “Now, I’m of the mind that the reason less people are interested in Agriculture is not because it is hard work, but because it is morally repugnant. Immigrants work those jobs because they can handle degradation and are so desperate their immediate survival imperatives overwhelm their ethical and moral compunctions. Also, they are less educated and intelligent.
    Sustainable agriculture would attract smart people, ethical individuals, and not screw up the environment so much. Such a culture has a future. Ours does not. Our future is expanding deserts, and annual grasping desperation throwing more and more scientific largesse at the problem of producing food in a hostile environment.”
    The biggest hurdle is that few people have the patience or ability to plan long term. They want results now.
    Take my family, part of our business is farming trees for the want of a better expression. We plant thousands of seeds per year ( actually 67,000 last year). Which we grow for supply to others. Apart from willow the earliest we will seen a return on that is two years. We grow to harvest our selves ,Christmas trees , 5 years. Hazel , 7 years, ash 10 -20 years, oak 70 years. On the live stock side we breed welsh mountain and beulah black face sheep, jersey cattle, four breeds of pigs. Not to mention a variety of poultry. All this requires long term planning and budgeting. Most people simply do not have the drive or patience.

  264. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III April 17, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    A high quality loose leaf green tea is great for nourishing the body’s fluids, or as the acupuncturists say for tonifying the yin. Green tea in a bag is mostly powder and broken leaf which infuses too much caffiene into the tea which acts as a diuretic.
    Siberian ginseng (eleuthero) is also good for tonifying yin.
    Did Asoka start taking meth recently? Or maybe he has a new boyfriend who calls him Carol. This blog now feels like wading through thigh-deep molasses.

  265. Cavepainter April 17, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    Dang adequatio, are you trying to deliver a knock-out punch? Appears to me those of your persuasion need consulting labor history in this country, otherwise you wouldn’t be arguing that our nation has inadequate citizen labor pool (of all colors, by-the-way). You’d be instead outlining how that pool has been economically displaced a number of times since the late 19th Century through manipulation by the oligarch ruling class.
    The first knock-out punch, by-the-way: Do you know anything of the “Farmers revolt” that originated the granges (now dying out) across rural America? The “revolt” was attempt to preserve small family farms that were being crushed by unfair pricing by railroads in transporting farm product to markets, along with banking loan practices rigged against the farmers on behalf of land grabs for conversion to industrial farming.
    That was the end of Jefferson’s idea for a “nation of yeomen farmers”, derived from his understanding that once a population has lost (or been deprived) of control of its own food source its it is more easily controlled by despotic government. (Yeah, I’m sure you’ll now launch into a spiel on how Jefferson doesn’t pass your up-to-date PC standard, so should be dismissed altogether).
    The tandem objective to that deliberate depopulating of rural America was in providing constant influx of desperate work-force into cities where industrialization was amping up until the 1970s, thereby constantly undercutting efforts at unionization.
    Ironically, the Farmers Revolt, though vanquished, became the platform for unionization efforts across the spectrum of labor fields, whether forest industry workers (WOBLIES) or other rural worker like coal miners, or those arriving in the cities after being pushed out of the country side as small family farm owners, or agricultural workers, share croppers and truck farmers.
    Further, FYI, the majority of migrant agricultural workers in the US even up into the 1970s were poor whites and blacks from the southern states except along the southern most part of states bordering Mexico. Have you seen or read “Fruit Fields in My Blood”, by Toby F Sonneman, Rick Steigmeyer (Photographer).
    In the early 1970s job growth in the US — for the first time — fell behind population growth. Is it coincidence or due to deliberate purpose of keeping the unionization efforts of domestic labor force off balance that from the 1970s to today there has been permitted more immigration than all totaled prior? More, by-the-way, than all industrialized nations combined, yet you and your minions have the gall to accuse the US citizenry of being anti-immigrant.
    So, we’ve seen our domestic labor force confined to cities which have now been de-industrialized by off-shoring, leaving only real-estate market as economic crux. Top that with “Housing starts” and agri-biz employment being filled by continuous influx of lower pay immigrant work force.
    Anybody see a pattern here showing how our domestic work force is repeatedly having the equity pay/benefit floor jerked out from under it? Heap that with dismissive stereotyping labels like racist, fascist, xenophobe (code for white males – as though citizen workforce didn’t include hands of color).
    History of the Black Death plague of the 14th Century provides a classic case illustrating of how labor’s “force” for advantaging the actual working population is weakened with each increment of labor over-supply.
    Your head-in-the clouds utopianism is not Flat Earth Society denial, it is that of belief that the US can absorb unlimited immigration yet maintain a First World quality of life. Such belief will certainly take this continent to the “knock-out punch”.

  266. Cavepainter April 17, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    Thanks for your cogent, lucidly presented remarks.

  267. bigpete007 April 17, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    I’ve often asked myself, SELF, what am I doing here? Without waxing TOO ontological, because I’m not really qualified, I know at least from personal experience that my purpose here, at this point in time, on this lump of rock in this rather non-descript ho-hum arm of THIS spiral galaxy…is to wake up. To wake up from the dream (or the nightmare). And now that I have, I am no longer afraid to die (anyone see V For Vendetta?).
    Humanity is possessed by a sickness and has itself become the disease, an invasive species in this biosphere called Earth which will not forever be tolerated. No doubt we should work to break the chains which bind us. But it is not THEM who hold me captive. It is the I.
    Too existential for a JHK blog? Oh well. Have a nice day anyway.

  268. adequatio April 17, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    Dang adequatio, are you trying to deliver a knock-out punch?
    No, not yet. I appreciate your cogent, lucidly presented arguments.

  269. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    It’s nice to hear a member of CFN espousing the racist (words) of a “founding father” Thomas Jefferson:
    “As far as Mr. Jefferson is concerned, aside from being a genius scientist, surveyor, philosopher, horitculturist, educator, musician, inventor, statesman, and president, he is generally given credit for causing the Bill of Rights to be enacted, in case you’ve forgotten, and without which no Selma march would ever have occurred, among other things. Even if he did have a child with Hemmings, so what–something wrong with that (even though the best evidence is Jefferson’s brother likely did the deed, if the DNA evidence is accurate)?
    Just so you’ll know:
    “The truth has now been disclosed by a panel called the Scholars’ Commission on the Jefferson-Hemings Issue, which has released a 500-page study of the question and concluded that the youngest son of Sally Hemings, Eston Hemings, probably was not fathered by Thomas Jefferson, as the 1998 study of the DNA of the male Jefferson line was interpreted to suggest, but by Thomas’ brother, Randolph.”
    SOURCE: http://www.vdare.com/francis/jefferson.htm
    Another GEM from Jefferson (same source):
    “The circumstance of superior beauty, is thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals; why not in that of man? Besides those of colour, figure, and hair, there are other physical distinctions proving a difference of race. They have less hair on the face and body. They secrete less by the kidnies, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour. This greater degree of transpiration renders them more tolerant of heat, and less so of cold, than the whites. Perhaps too a difference of structure in the pulmonary apparatus, which a late ingenious experimentalist has discovered to be the principal regulator of animal heat, may have disabled them from extricating, in the act of inspiration, so much of that fluid from the outer air, or obliged them in expiration, to part with more of it. They seem to require less sleep. A black, after hard labour through the day, will be induced by the slightest amusements to sit up till midnight, or later, though knowing he must be out with the first dawn of the morning. They are at least as brave, and more adventuresome. But this may perhaps proceed from a want of forethought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present. When present, they do not go through it with more coolness or steadiness than the whites. They are more ardent after their female: but love seems with them to be more an eager desire, than a tender delicate mixture of sentiment and sensation. Their griefs are transient. Those numberless afflictions, which render it doubtful whether heaven has given life to us in mercy or in wrath, are less felt, and sooner forgotten with them. In general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection. To this must be ascribed their disposition to sleep when abstracted from their diversions, and unemployed in labour. An animal whose body is at rest, and who does not reflect, must be disposed to sleep of course. Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.
    The improvement of the blacks in body and mind, in the first instance of their mixture with the whites, has been observed by every one, and proves that their inferiority is not the effect merely of their condition of life. . .
    I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications.”
    (Excerpted from “Notes on the State of Virginia” Thomas Jefferson)
    And this, my friends, is the model that the rest of us are to follow in terms of humanity, agriculture, architecture, law, order, meritocracy, and farming?
    I think not. Crawl back into the racist cave, Cavepainter.

  270. lucky 13 April 17, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    Are there any symptoms to gluten intolerance?
    Google is our friend.
    Best to stop all gluten for 30 days and notice
    if you feel better.
    Do you eat much of it now?

  271. AMR April 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    “Now, I’m of the mind that the reason less people are interested in Agriculture is not because it is hard work, but because it is morally repugnant. Immigrants work those jobs because they can handle degradation and are so desperate their immediate survival imperatives overwhelm their ethical and moral compunctions. Also, they are less educated and intelligent.”
    I’m with you on the last part, but not on the part about why native-born Americans shun agriculture. I’d say it’s a combination of aversion to hard work and bigotry, i.e., the belief that stoop labor is a Mexican’s job. Most jobs in the United States today are much easier physically than manual field labor. The exceptions that come to my mind are jobs in construction, logging, road maintenance, electrical grid maintenance, and the like. Not even all the jobs in these fields are particularly strenuous, and many industrial jobs today are not nearly as physically taxing as picking strawberries, or even picking grapes. I’ve worked with both, and I definitely prefer grapes. Thankfully, I’ve had little to do with strawberries.
    Sadly, I’ve also seen some grossly unethical behavior on the part of small farmers. Labor exploitation, albeit mostly of unpaid or underpaid Anglo labor of middling to high educational attainment, is apparently rampant on small farms in the Pacific Northwest. I’ve certainly endured more than my fair share of it. There are a lot of people out here who are merely predators on a smaller scale than Monsanto, and they’re generally more mendacious, not less, than the henchmen for big corporate concerns. They proclaim such lofty egalitarian ideals, but then they show less regard for the welfare of their employees than they do for that of their cats. There are some very sick and disingenuous dynamics in this subculture.
    And I haven’t even addressed the banal idiocy of some of these people. It ain’t too pretty.

  272. AMR April 17, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    How about you shut up with the red herrings? Jefferson had some odious racial views, but they weren’t under discussion, and you know it.

  273. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 6:05 pm #

    My voice cannot be silenced while you, Bustin, ‘E’, Procorns, etc. are allowed to crush our physical and spiritual beings. Maybe you should crawl back into the racist cave?

  274. AMR April 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

    Very well said. I’ve long considered the grange movement one of the most underappreciated sociopolitical movements in US history. It’s probably by design that it gets only a paragraph or two in high school history books. It’s tragic to see the politics in farming districts that once had thriving granges get tangled up in horseshit wedge issues instead of returning to the relatively sober and pragmatic populism that animated the citizenry of the same communities four or five generations ago.
    That’s far from the only situation where citizens owe it to themselves to tell their demagogues, “Fuck you for waving the bloody shirt.” My sense is that American farmers are one of the last real hopes we have for a return to a genuine populism motivated more by magnanimity and goodwill than by malice and resentment. What’s happening to the lower end of the working class in California, for example, is just scary. More and more, the men among them are turning into unskilled thugs who seek redemption and meaning from UFC fights. The entrenched black underclass, of course, is even worse.
    The kind of conservatism we need in this country is the kind that celebrates responsible, civilized working people at all levels, from trash collectors to surgeons, and forthrightly rebukes those who celebrate and abet violence as a mark of manhood. That is, of course, overwhelmingly not the kind of conservatism that we have in the United States. Much of what passes for conservatism in this country is better described as authoritarian barbarism and thievery.
    And the liberal response to the social pathologies of the lower classes? Shit. The words needed to describe the fecklessness and naivete fail me.

  275. Cavepainter April 17, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

    I have it from the highest authority (self appointed) posting on this site that I’m a racist. OK, ok, having been so dismissed on basis of moral (PC) turpitude must I also assume credit as proxy father to Sally Hemming’s children? Oh well, were I living in the late 18th – early 19th Century being in any way associated with one of the formost “liberals” (Enlghtenment adherants)of the day can’t be all bad.

  276. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    Jefferson certainly knew his Blacks – and wanted them freed and sent far beyond the fear of mixture.

  277. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

    Are Jefferson’s views still odious if they are true? Or are you then the odious one for hating reality?

  278. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

    More proof that the white boys are the true murderers and rapists.
    Source: The Feminist, December 2012
    “Standing in line at the California Science Center the day of the mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary school, my students wondered aloud about the race of the shooter. “More than likely he was white,” they agreed. As the only people of color waiting to be admitted to the exhibit, their open question about race elicited visible unease from a group of elderly white women across the line from us.
    According to a Mother Jones timeline of mass shootings from the 1980s to the present, the majority of American mass murderers have been white males. The most infamous young killers—the Columbine High shooters, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and now Adam Lanza—share a common cultural theme and national narrative. “Deranged” loners who came from lower to upper middle class nuclear families, their murder sprees forever shattered white suburbia’s veneer of normalcy. Over the past decade, the post-mass murder mantra has been grindingly familiar—“this couldn’t/shouldn’t/wouldn’t happen HERE, in our idyllic (white) suburban community.” Catastrophic violence is implicitly marked as the province of the other, the inner city, the cesspit jungle where poor children (of color), according to GOP sage Newt Gingrich, have no work ethic and thus no “habit of I do this and you give me cash, unless it is illegal.”
    And yet, methodically plotted acts of epic violence committed by young white males with mini arsenals aping video game assassins are increasingly the hallmark of “HERE”. So no doubt the elderly white women’s unease came from a sense of deep existential displacement. When you’ve been suckled on Ozzie and Harriet, its “hard”…”
    Houston, we’ve got a problem. More than past time to deport these white European bastard males back to where they came from. That includes ‘E’, Bustin, Progocorns, Janos, and his girlfriend Lucky.

  279. carolnewquist... April 17, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

    Notice that the above mentioned mass murders are only from the past twenty years or so. Mentioned in the article, but I was too tasteful to include it here, are the horrendous mass murders of white boys from the past 50 years. Not in the article? The dirty little past of the white boys from the preceding 150 years (klan killings, lychings, nuclear war, mustard gas, etc.)
    If there were ever an argument for extermination, white boys would be it. Nuff said’

  280. progress4conserving April 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

    the vile racist behind asokadequatio is doing a pretty good job including remembering to include the “carol…,” but it is forgetting “Carol.”
    post from that third of the “Troll Trilogy,” will soon follow.
    excellent posts by Bustin and Cavepainter.
    Your thinking is first rate – even though it is prompted by the Troll Trilogy.
    Is “Troll Trilogy” (TT) better or worse than the “Troll Triune?” (TT)
    And with all due respect to AMR?, for the writing style analysis last week – ANY half-baked author should be able to write in multiple voices.
    And the voice of the Troll Trilogy is all VERY similar in beliefs, when analyzed.
    Plus all three have the Frantic Overposting Thread Defiling OCD-ness of the original asoka..who is responsible for all three, IMHO.

  281. progress4conserving April 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    “…are the horrendous mass murders of white boys from the past 50 years….”
    – the Troll Trilogy –
    UM, AMR – doesn’t this sound an awful lot like “asoka..?”

  282. Buck's A Stud April 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    Actually Prog, I’m beginning to think that Asoka sounds a lot like Carol. If you’ll recall, Asoka demonstrated some pretty impressive knowledge of literature on occasion, and I think Carol is the cover Asoka uses to avoid a direct hit of criticism, oddly enough.
    At any rate, it sounds as if Chapter Three is coming down the pike and I’m going to give it a sympathetic reading since my previous moments of pain biased my previous criticism in a very unsympathetic manner.(I finally succumbed to Rotator Cuff surgery [the infraspinatus and supraspinatus tendons were full thickness tears and detached from the bone; thus vastly increasing the potential of long-term impairment/pain] and I have to say, if death is like anesthesia, its lights out forever…time no longer exists…the eternal sleep…BAM thats it folks!)

  283. progress4conserving April 17, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    St. Elmo and several others – you need to know about this sort of stuff, if you don’t already.
    My kids are in their late 20’s, one’s in public safety, and somebody is ALWAYS pranking somebody else.
    And, for one reason or another, (let’s agree to call it love and deep, deep, respect shall we) I occasionally catch some edges of it.
    And the other day, I get this phone call.
    It was a little unnerving, at first, even though I knew it was probably a prank of some sort.
    But these things are DAMN good, some of them.
    They are based on a good understanding of human psychology and thought processes – and when one of them catches you cold, well, the reptile brain can take over pretty easily, right?
    Here’s one – picture getting this late at night when you’re already stressed about something.
    And here’s BOTH sides of the conversation, the prank AND the unsuspecting native born African-American who received the prank call. She did a good job. I’m proud of her. I’m sorry the Troll Trilogy wants to destroy her chances at a good life because of excessive immigration. But, that’s another issue. Here’s the call:
    In summary, and the overarching CFN purpose of this post – is to point out that “The Troll Trilogy,” is playing a vast “prank” on the CFN comment thread.
    Makes sense – once you understand.

  284. Jam47 April 17, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    Enemas for Candida? Never heard or read of that. The idea, I imagine, is to clear out the colon so to prepare it for an an anti-Candida program. But I don’t think an enema would clear the colon sufficiently.
    Some books DO recommend colon cleansing in a Candida-removal program. It’s the very first step. But a colonic probably won’t do the necessary work, which is to scrape out the detritus that’s built up after years of inadequate elimination. And I do mean “scrape.” The best scraper I know of is a mixture of psyllium seed flakes, bentonite clay, and water. When you mix these three together, you get a sludge, like porridge. You swallow a cupful of this mixture three times a day. You do this for three or four days. If your colon is in bad shape, you’ll see thin, leatherlike casings coming out. The idea, as I understand it, is to expose to attack the Candida Albicans organism, which, with its fingerlike projections, clings to the intestinal wall. As I said, a proper colon cleansing is recommended by some Candida specialists as an important first step.
    A full description of the bentonite-psyllium cleanse can be found in Jacqueline Krohn’s “The Whole Way to Natural Detoxification.”
    A naturopath has told you that you have weak adrenals? How did she know? What exactly did she tell you? Did she say you had adrenal fatigue or adrenal exhaustion? If she used either of these terms (they mean the same thing) without having done lab work to test for adrenal function, I wouldn’t put much stock in her diagnosis.
    The hormones to test for are cortisol and DHEA. In the stage incipient to adrenal exhaustion, cortisol is high and DHEA low. Low DHEA levels can, by themselves, cause you to feel quite worn out. When sub-normal DHEA levels are coupled with sub-normal cortisol levels, you have adrenal fatigue proper. If you’re severely affected, you become a basket case.
    The best test for cortisol is a urine collection test. Whether the urine is collected for six hours or twelve or twenty-four, I don’t remember. But cortisol really has to be tested via the urine. A blood test–because cortisol levels fluctuate throughout the day–is useless.
    AS for DHEA, it’s best tested in the saliva rather than in a sample of blood.
    When the test results come back, you and/or your naturopath can balance them against your list of symptoms.
    You mentioned Nystatin. A naturopath I used to see told me it’s not effective. Another one–more clever, more experienced, more knowledgeable– says it is. This probably means that Nystatin works well on some people but less well on others.
    At any rate, there are about twenty natural agents that are able to destroy Candida. The cheapest–and according to research done in Russia, the best–is garlic.
    Because the Candida organism bores holes in the intestinal wall, and because these holes allow unnaturally large particles of food to pass into the bloodstream, the immune system thinks the body is under a bacterial or viral invasion, and responds as if such an invasion were actually taking place. The result is food allergy. The immune system is most likely to become confused in this fashion if you have had an immunization shot, whether the month before or ten years past.
    The above point is a contentious one, unscientific, its opponents say. That may be, but many naturopaths have noticed that people who suffer from systemic Candida are often allergic to a variety of foods as well.
    One more book recommendation: “Optimal Wellness” by Ralph Golan. It was published in 1995 but isn’t out of date. In the mid-nineties, Golan was far ahead of the crowd. He’s an MD who’s very knowledgeable about alternative and preventive medicine. I first started reading Golan in 1998, and dug through a sizeable bunch of medical books in the seven or eight years following. To my mind, Golan’s book is still the best general introduction to those disorders which most MDs either are ignorant of or believe don’t exist OR which naturopaths can’t put into proper perspective because they don’t have medical school training. “Optimal Wellness” is available at Amazon.
    My hunch about naturopaths–at least those up here in good old Canada–is that a lot of them didn’t have the smarts to get into medical school. Nonetheless, some are capable.

  285. Jam47 April 17, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    Can’t say that I agree with your objection. Even if an observer uses scientific instruments to help him in his observations, any information provided by these instruments still has to pass THROUGH the senses.

  286. Janos Skorenzy April 17, 2013 at 11:33 pm #

    Wow, great advice. Thank you so much. Colonics are so undignified anyway. It’s making public what should be private. This World is no place for a gentleman.
    It was the Accupuncturist who said my adrenals were exhausted. She reccomended vitamins based on organic matter as opposed to mere minerals. The Company is called Standard Process. She thought that regular vitamins were at best useless and possibly harmful since the body can’t assimilate them. What do you think about that?
    You sound like you’re ready to be a backwoods physician after the Fall. Just get some accupunture needles and razor blades for surgery. And of course a copy of the Barefoot Physician. Apparently these guys worked miracles during the Cultural Revolution. In any case, I appreciate it. I’m used to people fantasizing here about how I’m going to die and also projecting their fantasies of Black Nurses onto me as I die.

  287. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 12:03 am #

    Being as objective as I can be – for me – sure, if I were willing to concede that the supernatural is a reality, then of course it would be logical to assume many apparently unexplainable events were supernatural.
    To be fair and more accurate, I could state, as in my example, that awareness of events while I’m anesthetized has a probably of 98% of being rationally explainable and 2% supernaturally explainable. Or alternately I could use descriptive terms rather than numbers, such as “highly unlikely” or “most likely” to describe the source of a phenomenon.
    But for me, I find it faster and easier to say something like, “this is the way it is”. Not because I’m arrogant, but because I just don’t want to have to go into a longer explanation. So I say that that this event is not supernatural. Maybe I should say, the supernatural is highly unlikely.
    You will say this is not being perfectly objective, that the highly unlikely can occur. But almost any belief is by definition exclusionary. In reality, I think it’s not intellectually elegant to include the extremely unlikely along with the highly likely. That’s why we have science that’s evidentiary-based, the “I’m from Missouri, show me” rule, or what we call Occam’s Razor.
    BTW, regarding your health issues, take it for what it’s worth, but I only would seek out an alternative medicine practioner as a last resort after conventional medicine could not make me better. It’s true that regular doctors often have no clue, but even so, medical science is very potent. If all a doctor tells you is take a pill, you don’t have to follow that advice. I’ve mentioned this before, but if your physical condition is really bothering you, go online and Google quackwatch. It has many interesting articles on alternative medicine, from a negative viewpoint. And also note that regarding healing and wellness, there’s plenty of misinformation on the web; take it with a grain of salt. Just my .02.

  288. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 12:11 am #

    But that’s exactly what I’m saying. Our knowledge comes from what we experience through our senses. In this case our senses are expanded through the use of tools. And our senses can deceive us, too. Ascertaining reality is no trivial thing.

  289. lucky 13 April 18, 2013 at 12:56 am #

    Accupuncturist who said my adrenals were exhausted. She reccomended ……….
    Perhaps you do have CCandida.

  290. daofirry2 April 18, 2013 at 1:10 am #

    I would just like to say, this week is the first time in awhile that it has really FELT like… like… well, like what people seem to refer to as WTSHTF, or TEOTWAWKI. The Boston Marathon, the ricin mailing, and now this suspicious-looking Waco incident. Especially the Boston bombings. I live in the area. The first bomb knocked out my old LensCrafters. I used to work for our local marathon hero, Bill Rodgers. I have had family members who worked right at the finish line, in the main Boston Public Library location. An ATM that I regularly use was damaged by one of the blasts, I think. So, this is hitting home for me more than many other miserable events of the last few years…. as of the time I am typing this, no one really knows if all these events are connected, but it just feels like anyone with a grudge against the world is starting to say “now or never,” crying havoc, and unleashing as much chaos, and/or as many dogs of war, as possible.
    Yikes. Kirk out.

  291. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    Today war was declared in the fight to pass gun control legislation. Tomorrow the effort begins to unseat every US Senator who voted with the NRA, with the gun manufacturers, and against 90% public opinion.

  292. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 1:59 am #

    You are ignoring the crux: the accurate information gained by the patients while under anaesthetic. Doctors and nurses don’t talk about it since our society doesn’t value such things. Have a few drinks with one and you might hear some tales.
    Our Medicine is superb at crisis intervention. But surgeons will ignore Candida: they don’t know what it is so it isn’t there. Thus since they don’t say anything, none of the other doctors do either. There are some allopathic excpetions. The drug Nystatin is prescribed for this condition.
    You’ve read alot of Science Fiction. In some, the barrier of light speed is exceeded and there are Federations etc. In other Science Fiction, the barrier is never breached and you have intergenerational space flight or suspended animation, and isolated cultures developing on isolated worlds. I’m sure there will be more advancements but some things may never be attained – such as energy as cheap and safe as oil. The near future will see biological engineering and interfaces with computers. Very dangerous for human freedom. Very.

  293. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 2:03 am #

    It was a glorious victory for Freedom and for White Men. And a crushing defeat for the forces of slavery such as Obama, Liberalism, and Minorities in general.
    Discretion is the better part of valour. The Senators might have realized that if the Bill passed, it meant Civil War.

  294. np38io83erg4 April 18, 2013 at 2:39 am #

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  295. Rodney7777 April 18, 2013 at 7:28 am #

    AS to the electric grid. Jim is right the grid is shot. Here in the Minneapolis/St Paul area, when the power goes out (which happens a lot) it was my buddy, Rex, who was sent out to the substations etc to troubleshoot and call in work crews, and he says the grid here needs to be replaced, and he retired 10 years ago.

  296. jim e April 18, 2013 at 7:41 am #

    Mornin’… Is it true that you in the Minneapolis/St Paul area, have the best network of cycling commuters? I heard it from a higher up in Portland (the left one).

  297. Rodney7777 April 18, 2013 at 8:11 am #

    Not mentioned in this article, but something similar to the electric grid is oil refineries. For years we heard in the news that the oil companies are not building any new refineries. Well it is a good thing they didn’t as we can now all see that they are not needed. We are now past peak in oil and refineries will soon be shutting down, one by one. Not like refineries though, the electric grid will have to be rebuild, but it will probably look a lot different. Ray Kurzweil has been and is pointing out that solar energy, which now produces about 1% of the worlds energy, is growing exponentially, and will double every two years, making solar our total source of the worlds electricity in only 18 years. This means more locally produced electricity and possibly a new grid to bring electricity into cloudy areas etc. So this means that soon the coal and nuclear power plants will be shutting down one by one as well. No refineries? No power plants? Nothing to say that an artist can’t sit back and enjoy the picture that he just painted.

  298. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 8:43 am #

    I guess the ricin in the envelope trick the boys here pulled, worked. This comments section is a real pressure cooker of ideas. Congratulations, Fruit Loops. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Guns just make it easy and convenient. It’s much harder to kill by hand one person at a time. In “a world made by hand,” I surely hope killing by hand is part of it. If so, there will be much less killing.

  299. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    What is reality, when you consider we are limited by our senses? We assume that our senses are adequatio in gathering all the necessary inputs in which to form an opinion/perception of reality. Is that a correct assumption? Maybe. Maybe not. If I were a gambler, considering how biologically imperfect we are in so many other ways, I would say our senses don’t even touch on the tip of the iceberg, let alone the iceberg of reality that may exist beyond the scope of our limited conscious perception. It’s extremely humbling.

  300. carolnewquist... April 18, 2013 at 8:54 am #

    300th, Bitches!

  301. rube-i-con April 18, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    AS to the electric grid. Jim is right the grid is shot.
    not according to a guy on this board who’s worked in it for decades. he calls it incredibly resilient. do a search beeach
    also, does your power go out often for hours, or just a minute or three?
    i wouldn’t jump the gun on the grid’s demise
    details pleese
    peace peaceniks

  302. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    not according to a guy on this board who’s worked in it for decades.
    Well, I’ve worked in it for decades, and I say it’s archaic and crumbling. I will go a step further and say they’re not going to replace the lion’s share of it. They fully expect that the population of the world in one hundred years will be about thirty million people, tops. No need to replace what will never be used.

  303. jim e April 18, 2013 at 9:23 am #

    Why ask me? I have no degrees, masonic or otherwise. I am a self described, southern, Dumb-Ass and cycling fool?
    My lineage is:
    Son of a Jack-Ass (of Dunnavant Valley)
    Grandson of a jesus soaker
    Great grandson of a drunk…
    He, Joseph, the drunk, was in the 1st or 2nd Tennessee Infantry and was wounded in T. Roose,s Campaign when we whooped the Spanish. My great grandfather was shot in the ass in that lucrative Spanish-American war, both cheeks.
    The capstain of the Main lies in the Battery Park in the city that my late mother is from.
    My great, great, greats, I believe all to be non-illegal aliens, first nation, indigenous. They would be the ones that helped the Great Andy (the Bank Killer) defeat my favored Creek at The Battle of Horse Shoe Bend.
    If the Good Lord is willin’ and the Creeks Don’t rise I will post again.

  304. rube-i-con April 18, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    that was a very sudden onset of your decades of experience.
    things are always so if you just wish hard enough.
    but where are the massive, or not so massive, blackouts since the grid’s “crumbling”?
    crumbling would indicate all sorts of troubles. i ain’t never seen it, and neither have you.
    just more wishful negative thinking on the part of cfn’ers. the ones who were sure the mayans were correct, since they’re you know, ethnic, so they must be truly advanced in science.
    not like them backwards white fellas.
    peace peaceniks

  305. Cavepainter April 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm #

    As growing population crowds out experience of wilderness the character of the inhabitants of this North American continent will suffer terribly, in ways that can’t be compensated by any of the infusions of “diversity” that so many on this site herald as a national salvation. By wilderness I don’t mean national parks that have become so crowded as to feel more like urban parks or thoughtfully landscaped zoos. Diversity of any species is sustainable only in circumstance of population balance. As resource/population balance moves farther off kilter life narrows into uniform desperation.
    As old as I am I can remember when practically any major city you can name was so small in footprint that you could view the downtown skylines from farmland and wilderness outskirts. Society wasn’t perfect then but there were places to go to find solace, tranquility and the wonder of witnessing wildlife. Good luck to you younger generations.

  306. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    Good luck to you younger generations.
    Thanks, and good luck to you. Tell the earthworms and soil microbes we said hello, and thank you in advance for becoming fertilizer.

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  308. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    Generally the less you eat, the better, for you not for others. All is prana; learn to imbibe more prana via religion.
    But not for an mechanistic Commie cause/effect reasons related to things like “population” or “scarcity” because that’s delusional. When you are pure, the external projections like “over-population” and “scarcity” ameliorate themselves. Now you see through a glass darkly. (You don’t know what the thing you are “seeing” is.)
    Fasting helps develop this. Prana is pure and intelligent.
    Long live the White Europeans and their magnificent bhakti-yoga, Christianity.
    Aum, Amen.

  309. rube-i-con April 18, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..yet another ‘poet’.
    after e.e. cummings, who needs ’em?
    peace peaceniks

  310. rube-i-con April 18, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

    Long live the White Europeans and their magnificent bhakti-yoga, Christianity.
    after seeing the ‘dark’ side of (un)civilization i quite agree with you.
    civilization – the one worth living in and for – is founded upon law, science, respect, religion (i used to hate the pope(s), now i like the guys, at least they try to do some good), hard work, simple caring for your family and neighbor, and things as ‘trivial’ as picking up trash or a potato(e) that falls from the pile onto the floor at the local supermarket.
    peace peaceniks

  311. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    As resource/population balance moves farther off kilter life narrows into uniform desperation.
    Population Density (per km2)
    17,676 … Monaco
    7,546 … Singapore
    1,321 … Malta
    1,065 … Maldives
    1,631 … Bahrain
    34 … United States of America
    34 people per km2! And you can’t find solace?
    The USA has a long way to go before it is cramped.
    Our capacity for wonder or tranquility is not at risk. It is easy to find solitude, even in the most population dense parts of the world.
    Take the advice of Jesus Christ: “But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private.” (Matthew 6:6)
    Or take the advice from the East and go into yourself through meditation.

    Knowing that great and all-pervading Self by which one sees (the objects) both in the sleep and the waking states, the intelligent man grieves no more. Man cannot be satisfied with wealth. The unintelligent go after outward pleasures; they fall into the meshes of wide-spread death. –Katha Upanishad

    There is no need for “uniform desperation” unless you have no spiritual life. And who do you blame if you don’t?

  312. Cavepainter April 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    Ewwwooh, such an acerbic note! Do I detect malice? So uncharacteristic of one who postures as having attained higher states of consciouness.

  313. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III April 18, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    I would take the other view and go the alternative medicine route first, and use so-called “traditional” medicine as a last resort. Just make sure your alternative practitioner has a good rep.
    My experience with the tradtional types is that, rather than uphold the Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm”, they will indeed risk doing harm, and charge you up the keister to help them pay for their mortgages, cars, and other toys.

  314. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    Long live the White Europeans and their magnificent bhakti-yoga, Christianity.
    Long live White Europeans… yes!
    But they are not the origin of Christianity. A Hebrew dark-skinned, nappy haired Jewish guy is the origin. In fact, Jesus was Black, according to the Bible.
    Revelation 1:14-15 “His head and his hairs were white like wool (the wooly textured hair of the Negroes – Black people), as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace.” Jesus Christ skin color is so dark that the Bible compares it to brass that had been BURNED in furnace! SO JESUS CHRIST IS A VERY DARK SKINNED BLACK MAN.

  315. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Christians keep telling me Jesus is not dead… Easter and all that. So I need to correct my previous reply to Julian:
    In fact, Jesus is Black, according to the Bible.

  316. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Funny stuff! Who knew?

  317. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    (I love how Jews always pretend they revere The Black Man in front of Gentiles. I slap my knee daily watching them do their daily stunt.)

  318. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    I love how the white Europeans (long may they live!) are smart enough to follow a dark skinned Black man! Hari Bol!

  319. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    The men who painted the caves were much finer men than we are, both in mind and body. Unfortunately, they were not numerous enough to stave off the Cro-Magnon onslaught. Luckily, they bred with (raped) Neanderthal women so the “human” race has some brains at least.

  320. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    Those brainy Christian Europeans are still mostly stuck at the lower levels of mythic Christianity and have not yet advanced to its psychic and subtle-level realizations.
    The European Christians have yet to advance to a pure nondual understanding (though a few like Teresa and Eckhart have come close). But the Europeans are so stupid they persecuted and burned those who strayed from the incarnation myth.
    European Christians are so stupid they think God created this world and that our final destiny can be found nowhere in this world (the classical Ascending ideal of mythic dissociation).
    In other words European Christians (Julian’s so-called “bhakta” Christians of Europe) are light years behind the understanding of dark-skinned Vedic practitioners.

  321. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    Some of those Southern Indians really tried to fit it. The Cherokee kept Black slaves, set up planations, learned to read in their own language with a new alphabet and perhaps even fought in the Civil War on the right side. And how did the vicious Northern Victors treat them? The trail of tears.

  322. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    While Jews pretend that they revere blacks so as to confuse and weaken the people who are the target of their immemorial scripture-based hate, Whites will continue to enjoy their yogic satguru Jesus, who didn’t like them much, and who was apparently a fiery red-headed Celt. (The phantasmagorical texts called “Revelation” is interpreted and spin in multifarious ways, as the Jew well knows.)
    Aum. Honesty is key.

  323. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    “…and have not yet advanced to its psychic and subtle-level realizations.”
    You mean they’re not spinning chickens?

  324. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    The fair skinned Aryans added much to India. Rush just blurted out the Truth: Republicans have a last chance to flourish by coming out against Amnesty. Amazing, he is standing up against the beloved Rubio. But not for the Country but for the Party. Screwed up values.
    Sorry for the interuption. I admit Whites don’t have the spiritual genius of the dark skinned Caucasians in general. Everyone has something. The Orthodox Christians persecuted the Copts so much that the latter welcomed the Muslim conquest (at first!). Millenia later, some of the Orthodox recognized that the Copts were orthodox in their Christianity – it was just a matter of different language. The Copts focused on the Oneness of God and not the Trinity. The farther East you go, the more the Oneness is emphasized. And the Arabs and other Causcasians of Northern Africa tend to be far more Eastern than Whites in this regard.

  325. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    Christain fundamental belief is in a Creator and a Creation. That is dualism. Poor White Europeans have only had a couple thousand years to evolve, so perhaps I am being unfair to expect white European heathens to understand so quickly what other dark-skinned peoples have already realized.

  326. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    But Julian is right: Whites have a fine tradition of Bhakti Yoga even if they fail at more subtle realizations. And most Causcasians are no better. Just as more Whites aren’t good at science or math. It’s only at the pinnacle that the subtle genius of each becomes evident.

  327. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    ^perhaps I am being unfair to expect white European heathens to understand so quickly what other dark-skinned peoples realized A THOUSAND YEARS BCE.

  328. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    And most Muslims are even more dogmatic and disrespectful of others. Many Hindus are fundamentalist as well but have a tradition of leaving others alone.

  329. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    “Christain fundamental belief is in a Creator and a Creation.”
    A basic Jewish arrogance is to sit there and tell Christians what Christianity. They also want to tell Whites what their race is, what their history, and what their parents were like. Rumpelstiltskin is the king of mordant effrontery.

  330. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    “Christain fundamental belief is in a Creator and a Creation.”
    A basic Jewish arrogance is to sit there and tell Christians what Christianity is. They also want to tell Whites what their race is, what their history, and what their parents were like. Rumpelstiltskin is ever the king of mordant effrontery.

  331. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    Dualism is, of course, the best religion. The religion of humans.
    Is this Jew pretending that Judaism and the Talmud is “non-dualistic” now?

  332. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Hindus also believe in a Creator and creation. Is this really that different than the Upanishads where the Supreme emmanates the Univese out of Himself like a Spider does his web? Each has strengths and weaknesses. The modern Wiccan idea that the Univese is God is a poor substitute for either. Pantheism per se does not inspire. As Santayana said, the Universe gains nothing by calling it God. What a poor God that would be.
    The Idea taught in the Bhagavad Gita is Panentheism – that God is in the Universe as the Universe, but without being limited to the Univese. Numerical symbolism is used: one quarter of God is manifest in the Universe(s), three quarters in unmanifest.

  333. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Exactly. Bhakti Yoga relies upon devotion to an incarnate avatar and is a lower form of spirituality (which Julian stupidly celebrates).
    In fact, it is an obstacle on the path to get hung up on a guru or an avatar. The ultimate realization (tat tvam asi) is: Brahman = Atman.
    Very few Christians have become realized (have become Christ) because they are hung up on their dualistic deity worship. Jesus is an obstacle. Bhakti yoga is a distraction, a temporary diversion, on the path. Not that it is “bad” … just a waste of time.
    If Julian wants to waste his life chanting to a divinity figure instead of realizing his true nature, Julian has that right.

  334. Rhino April 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    One of the m.o.’s for directing the sheeple. Don’t look over here, look over there. Re-define words.Grossly exaggerate. Mischaracterize. Make something that’s this big look like something that’s THAT big. Turn simple distaste or disapproval or apprehension into a full blown PHOBIA. If you’re not incontinently accepting then you’re PHOBIC. Like, for example, Islamo-PHOBIA. Or homo-PHOBIA.
    Did someone actually say that the promiscuous gay lifestyle can have deleterious health consequences? Did they say it out loud ? Did they say it so people could hear? The homo-PHOBIC POS. They must be a BobJonesHillbillyHarvard graduate,the narrow minded, Bible thumping, pea-brained, hick.
    Don’t fuck around and merely lie. Tell truly GIGANTIC lies. Like, if you’re going to steal, steal a million. Like, go big or go home.
    So characterize Jews as something – like Semites. Then characterize Palestinians as something else – like downtrodden, helpless victims. Well, aren’t they? Look at them in those shithole refugee camps. Of COURSE they are. So, what’s to be done for our suffering, fellow Muslims? Yes, well, Allah works in mysterious ways, we mustn’t question his will, HE has a greater purpose which in due course HE will reveal. Or maybe not.
    Translation? KEEP them that way. Who says to keep them that way? The local ruling oligarchs and despots. Who else. After all, cui bono?
    As if Arabs weren’t themselves Semites, as if Jews weren’t a closely related northern Arabian tribe. So turn a simple tribal squabble over a few square miles of dirt whose ownership is of exactly ZERO consequence for the wider world into a global uproar. And keep the conflict festering. To what end? To provide generations of kleptocratic regimes with a ready alibi for repression, corruption, immiserization, misgovernment.
    Why can’t economic reform happen? Because it has to await resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Why so? Because every good Muslim knows (and doesn’t question) that the Israeli oppression of Muslims is of the GREATEST importance. Must not get sidetracked, can’t take one’s eye off the ball, much attention, much effort needs to be devoted. First things first.
    No electricity? No medical clinic? Living on three dollars a day? Can’t afford bribes for the fruit stand licence? Can’t fix everything, stop arguing, shut up, be a man, provide for your family. First things first. But Palestine is a thousand miles away? Look asshole, you’re really looking for trouble. Open your mouth again and we’ll extract your teeth with a tire iron you Jew loving turd. How DARE you presume to question, how DARE you put YOUR miserable little interests ahead of the good of Islam and the greater good of Muslims?
    A few generations of this and the alibis and excuses get threadbare. Leopoldo Galtieri used the Falklands to divert Argentinian discontent over thuggery and misrule. Worked for a while. Bought some time. And, similarly, Muslim despots did a masterful job of misdirection to keep themselves in power. Played the locals like a fiddle. Took all sorts of exciteable young men and gave them a channel for their energies and anger. A simple thing really. Things are shitty? Blame the Zionist. There’s martyrdom, there’s Islam, there’s the eternal reward. Kill the Jews. Die. Make your parents proud.
    The Arab Spring? Yes, a worthy endeavor. Now there’s NEW despots.

  335. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    Oh Christ, here it goes. There’s no getting it back now. It will be four straight days of a pseudo-spiritual bullshit fest until JHK posts again and clears the slate for a few days, at most.

  336. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    You are a riot, Julian. With my first posts you analyzed my comma usage and confirmed I was Black. Now I am a Jew who is misinterpreting the Talmud?
    What next? That I am an accomplished fiction writer named Carol? That I am a plagiarist? That I am a presidential candidate named K-Dog? That I am an Hispanic farm worker? That I am a DoD agent? This blog is always fun!

  337. Rhino April 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Charlie, there’s a lot of ninny-simple shit-for-brains out there that fall for the various arguments for opening the immigration floodgates. And assquatio is one of the prime propagators of these arguments on this forum. There’s the compassion argument, the collective American self-interest argument, the righting the historical wrong argument. Many arguments. None of which survive critical scrutiny but all of which are designed to deceive and misdirect and channel people’s thinking to ultimately serve the interests of the few at the top of the economic pyramid.
    Mark Twain used to say that a lie gets half way around the world before the truth got its pants on. So I justified my arguing with the troll in terms of sewage control. That his malicious, destructive, facile lies and propagandizing needed to be countered because they appeal to the worst in people, their idiocy, their laziness, their greed. All of which, but especially idiocy, go hand in hand with evil.
    What I’m saying I don’t blame you for engaging with the troll. It’s hard to stay quiet. Because it IS infuriating knowing that he knows that he’s doing harm spreading crap but that he’s doing it anyway.

  338. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    For that you will be judged, Demon. The Guru is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

  339. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Oh Christ, here it goes.
    LOL! Carol, Christ is the problem. Christ narrowed people’s focus onto him and hindered their spiritual development.
    Anybody so egoistic as Christ, who says stuff like “I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NOBODY BUT NOBODY, I MEAN NOOOOOBODY COMES TO THE THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME” is an egomaniac cult leader who should be avoided. Of course, dumb white Europeans easily fell for it and haven’t been able to get beyond it for 2,000 years.

  340. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    This blog is always fun!
    There is no need to rent the movie. You can get all the Reefer Madness you would ever want or need right here at CFN Central.

  341. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    I agree. That’s why I said Christ. By the way, I only use that word in vain…..just for that reason. You’re the only one who understands.

  342. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    For that you will be judged, Demon. The Guru is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
    Guru is a Sankrit word for “teacher” and gurus are a dime a dozen.
    Today I got both Janos and Rhino on my case, so I must be doing something right!
    Thank you, gentleman.

  343. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Tat Tvam Asi
    Fear not judgement.

  344. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    Thank you, Carol. You are always so supportive … so much so that some think you and I are the same poster! Crazy conspiracy theory!

  345. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    Anybody so egoistic as Christ, who says stuff like “I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NOBODY BUT NOBODY, I MEAN NOOOOOBODY COMES TO THE THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME” is an egomaniac cult leader who should be avoided. Of course, dumb white Europeans easily fell for it and haven’t been able to get beyond it for 2,000 years.
    Not that I believe the whole Christ fiction anyway, but even if we assume it’s true for the moment, these European white trash idiots didn’t/don’t even listen to him. He said, “I am The Word.” So, what do they do? They ignore The Word, and the fact he said he was The Word, and instead set him up as an icon and worship him like an idol or rock star. They made what was already a fabrication into their own personal fabrication, ignoring much of the original fabrication. One thing is for certain, Christ is fungible and Christians, especially the European white trash variety, are the height of hypocrisy.

  346. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    It’s hard to stay quiet.
    I have faith in you, Rhino. Try harder.
    Or as my mama used to say: “If you ain’t got nuthin’ good to say, don’t say nuthin’ at all.”

  347. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    You’re welcome. And thank you for your reciprocating support. In a truly spiritual sense, we are one person, adequatio, just not for the same reasons the nutters here believe. But of course, you know this already.

  348. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    The eternal statement of the satguru in all age and places.
    But you have to be something more than a an African American male posing as an English women who writes creepy male-perspective porn — to grasp subtle metaphysical ideas.
    The all-caps was really cool though.
    Atheism > Boring.

  349. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Or as my mama used to say: “If you ain’t got nuthin’ good to say, don’t say nuthin’ at all.”
    Your mama was a wise woman. My Great Grandad used to say, “speak softly, but carry a big stick.” He was a real Teddy Bear. I met him only once, when I was in my mother’s womb. Yes, I have memories of when I was in my mother’s uterus. It can and does happen, despite what science says.

  350. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    “You are a riot, Julian. With my first posts you analyzed my comma usage and confirmed I was Black.
    Interesting. I opined that any “Adequatio” was black. Only two posters named “Carol Newquist” and “Buck’s a Stud.”
    So have you been posting under more than one name? It probably gets confusing. Oopsie.

  351. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    I [never] opined that any “Adequatio” was black. Only two posters named “Carol Newquist” and “Buck’s a Stud.”

  352. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

    “gurus are a dime a dozen.”
    Gurus come in many grades, from the lowest (Osho, Da Free John) to the highest (Jesus Christ). The satguru is rare.
    But Jews telling Christians how they should view Christianity are a dime a dozen.

  353. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    I prefer to be all that I can be, and here at CFN, that’s possible thanks to the racist muttonheads.

  354. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    LOL! Yes, all your posts are belong to me! This blog is a monolog and all the posters are Asoka! Not.

  355. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    “Bhakti Yoga relies upon devotion to an incarnate avatar…”
    One need only conceptualize the avatar.
    …and is a lower form of spirituality (which Julian stupidly celebrates).
    You pose as an expert in Hinduism. The entire Bhagavad-Gita repeats the idea that bhakti is the highest form of yoga/spirituality.
    The great Hindu saint Ramakrishna stated that bhakti is the highest form of yoga.
    His disciple Vivekananda also stated that bhakti-yoga is the highest form of spirituality.
    Christianity is the Highest Form of Yoga. The Christians who have simple devotion plus a little brahmacharya have long been the highest type of yogi.
    I know that as a Jew it makes steam come out of your ears to hear this.
    Aum, Amen.

  356. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    “Yes, all your posts are belong to me! This blog is a monolog and all the posters are Asoka!”
    I don’t know who Asoka is. But I know that I never opined that any “Adequatio” was a negro. So if you found me addressing you and saying you were a negro, it must have been because you were posting under another name.

  357. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    You pose as an expert in Hinduism.
    No, Hinduism is just another religion hung up on deities, just like Christianity. Break free of all the religious traditions. Why exchange one prison for another?

  358. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Adequatio: “Fear not judgement.”
    Fear not Adequatio’s flawed judgement.
    But fear sin.
    Fear offending the Creator of All.
    Don’t fear the judgement of the Jews.
    Don’t fear their charge of “anti-semite.”
    Don’t fear their charge of “racist.”

  359. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    So if you found me addressing you and saying you were a negro, it must have been because you were posting under another name.
    So, you are accusing me of posting under the name Bucks A Stud? That I consider an honor as I respect Taoism… but I cannot come close to Bucks A Stud’s aesthetic and philosophical knowledge.
    No, it was me, Adequatio, you labeled a Negro. I let it slide because it doesn’t really matter to me if I am Black, White, Red, or Yellow.
    Long live peoples of all colors, intermingled in love, in marriage, and in child-rearing! Love live miscegenation!

  360. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    “hung up on deities,
    The problem is the mind. The mind needs something to hang upon. Hang it on the deity. This is the advice of Buddha, who you pretend to appreciate. (Notice Tibetan Buddhism is loaded with deities.)
    “…just like Christianity.
    Christianity, indeed, also provides the solution to the mind-problem and offers powerfully attractive deities to hang the mind upon.
    Break free of all the religious traditions.
    Break free of ignorance and limitation using religious knowledge; ignore Inadequatio’s repackaging of Communistic materialism.
    “Why exchange one prison for another?”
    Communism and Judenreich are prison. Bhakti-yoga, bliss, samadhi i.e. religion — are the only true Freedom.
    Aum, Amen.
    (P.S. You are a lame-ass type of Jewtroll.)

  361. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Fear offending the Creator of All.
    There is no Creator. Hence, no fear. The universe and its constituents have always existed. It is not possible to create matter out of nothing and hence the sum total of matter in the universe remains the same (the law of conservation of mass). Each living being is unique and uncreated and has existed since beginningless time.
    Aum, Amen.
    Or as Jesus said it, in his language: Amin.

  362. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Adequatio: “Love live miscegenation!”
    Miscegenation destroys the eons-wrought unique peoples. (Usually the children hate the parents for it.)
    Long live unique the races and faces.
    Reject the NWO/Jewish deracination agenda.

  363. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    Notice Tibetan Buddhism is loaded with deities.
    LOL! I noticed. That’s why I stay away from Tibetan Buddhism.
    P.S. You are a lame-ass type of Jewtroll.
    So now I’m Jewish? Oy vey!

  364. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    Deities are not peculiar to Tibetan Buddhism. Buddha himself meditated on dieties, and dieties appeared to him.
    When Oy Vey here says he doesn’t want us to have any deities, he’s really just meaning he doesn’t want us to have any mental tools; i.e. he doesn’t want us to have any religion. They won’t be happy until they have transformed all Christendom into a New Orleans Streetfuck. And they’ll even pose as appreciators (or experts) of Buddhism and Hinduism to head us off at the pass from consciously understanding the value of dualistic (human) religion, or to prevent us to get clarifying ideas from those, or simply to debauch those religious alternatives.

  365. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    I have come across people who think that without long fasting there is no possibility of meditation. Now, fasting has nothing to do with meditation. Fasting will only make you obsessed with food. And there are people who think celibacy will help them into meditation. Meditation brings a kind of celibacy, but not vice versa. A celibacy without meditation is nothing but sexual repression. And your mind will become more and more sexual, so whenever you sit to meditate your mind will become full of fantasies, sexual fantasies. These two things have been the greatest problems for the so-called meditators: fasting and celibacy. They think these two things are going to help — they are the greatest disturbances!
    Eat in right proportions. Buddha calls it “the middle way”: neither too much nor too little. He is against fasting, and he knows it through hard experience. For six years he fasted and could not attain to anything. So when he says, “Be in the middle,” he means it. About celibacy also: don’t enforce it upon yourself. It is a by-product of meditation, hence it cannot be enforced before meditation. Be in the middle there too, neither too much indulgence nor too much renunciation. Just keep a balance. A balanced person will be more healthy, at ease, at home. And when you are at home, meditation is easier. What then is meditation? Just sitting silently doing nothing, witnessing whatsoever is happening all around; just watching it with no prejudice, no conclusion, no idea what is wrong and what is right. –Osho

  366. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    They won’t be happy until they have transformed all Christendom into a New Orleans Streetfuck.
    Beware of Julian, the false Christian and Bhakta pretender. If you were really white, if you were really European, if you were really Christian, you would know and follow what Christ said: “Judge not, lest you be judged.” Enjoy hell, Julian.

  367. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    Two sentences deep for a posing research-lite disinfo specialist:
    “I have come across people who think that without long fasting there is no possibility of meditation. Now, fasting has nothing to do with meditation.
    Of course fasting a few times assists meditation. It does this in two ways:
    1) Cutting body-attachment generally. (One great difficulty in meditation is the demands of the body. A faster learns to be not even bothered by an itch, etc. nevermind hunger or food cravings.)
    2) Fasting increases the ability to pull in prana (felt as cool heat in the body, and which serves as the perfect “food”). It is only by absorbing a great deal of prana regularly, which itself is a facet of the mastery of pranayama, that the heart can stop beating at which time pratyahara occurs. Pratyahara, or reversal of life force up the spine, is the real goal of meditation both in Yoga and in the esoteric aspects of Hinduism that pokes up repeatedly in the pages of the Bhagavad-Gita.
    The Upanishads (the Bhagavad-Gita is one of the Upanishads) affirm fasting as a great austerity in more than one place. And of course, austerities are the first “activity of yoga” in the Yoga-Sutra. (Verse 2:1)
    Because your 2nd sentence was asinine I did not read further. Do better next time. On the other hand, you are an insincere poster so don’t bother. I didn’t respond for you.
    Long live the White Europeans and the elegant Bhakti-Yoga of Christianity.
    Aum, Amen.

  368. Bustin Jay April 18, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    A-quatio said “People have been wrong big time by relying on mathematics. Take Malthus, for example. He was wrong when he said (in 1798)…”
    Must you drag out this old piece of horse-meat? Dismissal of Malthus is the sine qua non of debaters who have no substantive argument.
    “Malthus was wrong because we don’t live in a purely mathematical universe. Things are more complicated.”
    The complication was economics, which uses mathematical models.
    Mathematics was discovered, not invented, and therefore remains in the realm of the natural. The things you refer to as “abstractions” are in fact grounded in reality.
    The mathematical model that describes the acceleration of gravity describes the spin of electrons, the frequency of electromagentic radiation, and the existence of the Higgs Boson before humans built a massive particle accelerator to create them.
    Nothing that works so reliably can be called an “abstraction”, a word more suited to work of Kandinsky or Picasso.
    You can’t fudge math, you can only get it wrong somehow. For a given problem there are n-sets of correct answers and a set of incorrect answers of the sum (infinity-n).
    “Sustainable agriculture, too, is cute. What evidence do you have about who it attracts?”
    You demand evidence? Its not hard to find if you know where to look at the Farmer’s markets. Hint: they aren’t going to be wearing a Brooks Brothers suit, which you will see if you go to an industrial agriculture trade show.
    The idea that slicks are going to go back to the farm is not realistic. We can’t save the kids that have grown up in the postindustrial milieu. They are calibrated to expect technologism, consumption, immediate rewards, and don’t have much taste for history, natural or otherwise. (take Carl for example, using a single extract of Jefferson’s prose to exercise his political argument.)
    In terms of distinction, its going to be hard to separate the average “normal” person from the 1-2% pure psychopaths, when the overall environment is completely denatured with an intense focus on such themes as transcendental religion, consumerism, and apolitical thought. But lets suppose that, without the social prestige, physical comfort, or profit motive, what you are left with is all sorts that are seeking “something other-than” the modern.
    “I have some evidence to support what you say, but not much. Our local organic farm is a CSA (community-supported agriculture) farm. Some have purchased shares and some young people do internships there. But do you see large numbers of intelligent, ethical people being drawn to these kinds of endeavors on a national scale?”
    I would say the ratio of proportion of people running certified organic farms versus the proportion of people running conventional agricultural operations would be a good measure of the interest in ethical agriculture since the former, at least, is regulated by implicitly ethical rules based on concepts of sustainability.
    Concerning who qualifies, I would ask, what superlatives could you use to describe a person who willingly undertakes a profession with low social prestige, high capital outlay, low profit margins, high risk of injury, and steep learning curve: Principled? Ethical? Crazy? Stupid? I guess it depends on one’s perspective, but clearly, greed isn’t going to rank high on the list.
    The adoption of rules (Organic certification) that limit and reverse soil or water pollution, that enhance habitats and ecosystems, was a watershed moment in modern American history. I believe it will be noted as such in the future should we make it that far. The period between 1945-1995 was an aberration- the rise of an industry and the destruction of a way of life… or to put it more succinctly, the destruction of life.
    The health of the Earth and the activities of agriculture should not be subject to mere profit motive. But that is what is going on today.
    A while ago I went to the local Safeway during Easter. Right in the middle of the store there is a 4 foot high display placed at the eye-level of children. The items on display are wrapped in aluminized plastic and featured cartoon characters. There wasn’t any doubt for whom this display was offered. Children surrounded the display and whined loudly at their parents who dutifully stuffed their carts.
    What products are being served up here? Looks like… type 1 and 2 diabetes. Cancer. Environmental damage. Lets see, what else. Fossil fuels. Immigrant labor. Exploitation. Marketing. Advertising.
    If it keeps on going like this, where this system of irresponsible and unprincipled consumption continues, we’ll be guaranteed no one will be there to take on the project of Organic farming. If we denigrate the concept of health and sustainability when kids are young, if we damage their minds and bodies before they can develop, then the present “Business as Usual” can continue to function.
    50 years ago, the “Grocers” didn’t look anything like a modern supermarket. What was displayed and sold was, to a greater degree, whole foods, what people might consider “raw material”. In the 1960s and 70s when Safeway came to town there were protests much like what you see when Walmart comes to small towns today. In the end, big business and money talked. The local grocers were squeezed out, their pre-organic produce replaced by value-added and plastic wrapped products from the big subsidized industrial producers.
    Small farmers couldn’t compete with the prices that the big subsidized players used to dominate the market. This period of evolution coincided with the practice of putting tetra ethyl-leaded gasoline in cars. Statisticians will do the work of proving correlations, but I have no need of these. It is enough to put all suspects together in one place.
    If you put all the vectors together, what you end up with is what we’ve got now: a food system dominated on the production side by large subsidized producers who don’t practice environmental sustainability and use this advantage to destroy sustainable price points for consumers who will not purchase the more sustainable option if it is not cheaper.
    When I suggest that a sustainable agriculture would be attractive to intelligent people, I’m not talking about exceptional people, but ordinary people- people who respond to rational imperatives. If the market is lopsided and the imperatives are unrealistic, you can’t expect people to participate- they will be forced to survive economically in some other fashion. And that’s what our system does. It takes people who would be great social organizers and forces them to serve coffee. It takes visionary artists and forces them to make websites. It takes sensitive people and bludgeons them into being bureaucrats. It takes stupid people otherwise unsuited to anything but manual labor and puts them in charge of schoolchildren.
    Modern life is a vortex into which everyone’s hopes and dreams are being pulled. Our systems are systems of coersion. Cavepainter’s allusions to a wilderness are references to untamed and uncapitalised forms of life living on their own terms. Places with high population densities like the ones you describe don’t have a wilderness ethic or imagination. The fact that America is so completely denatured at such a low population-point density is only troubling evidence that if that is in fact the correct metric, then the threshold where lack of wilderness affects humanity could be far lower than one might think.
    I think you put the cart before the horse when you claim that solitude is easy to find in the metropolises of SE Asia. Transcendental religion, in my view, was created as a substitute for the experience of the natural world. They are building solitude by the high rise in Malaysia. Here in America, our horizons are more horizontal but just as restrictive. There are roads all over the united states, for instance, neatly delineating the public and private spaces. Where do you find yourself? If in the public realm (the road) you find yourself dominated by a single-use imperative, namely, the 2-ton vehicles and their occupants on a mission toward the fulfillment of the paradigms which support that activity. Step off the public road, and you find yourself, typically, on private land, where you find yourself in a situation of trespass at best. In Singapore, your world is the road, the apartment in the high-rise. If the government had the means, they would get inside your head and make further delineations. Step outside the bounds in Singapore and prepare to be flogged.
    Should humanity be defined by the conditions of living into which it can be forced? For instance should we say that a healthy BMI for children is the BMI that approximates the average BMI of children in this junk-food age, or the average BMI prior to WWII? Should we constantly redefine what is natural by the standards of what is normal? Can we call this “progress”? If it is, then it is too easy to be the right path forward.

  369. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    Cutting body-attachment is exceedingly helpful, and even necessary, to successful concentration of mind. So fasting has a direct impact on the ability concentrated the mind, or perform dharana (concentration), which is the first aspect of meditation.
    “So now I’m Jewish? Oy vey!”
    Notice how he didn’t actually answer it or make any denial. Instead he asked a question. Both things are typical: To refuse to make an explicit denial and to argue by asking a question with a question. For most of them, it hurts to say “No, I’m not…”

  370. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    “Long live peoples of all colors, intermingled in love, in marriage, and in child-rearing! Love live miscegenation!”
    Pffft. Race-mixing doesn’t somehow magically convert lust into love, or somehow magically end duality and make pink angels fly about.
    On the contrary, one must be sexually jaded and perversely lusty to not repelled by the thought of miscegenation, which is psychologically unnatural. Thus it’s even more likely to result in some kind of rarefied “love.” It just results in brown kids of no particular heritage. These couples are much more likely to break up, and marriage is already in collapse as it is. Marriage requires every kind of natural psychological bonding element possible, not new and bizarre challenges. And all for what? The loss of the distinct peoples and genotypes? It’s perversity, simply the Jewish destructive impulse.

  371. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    “Thus it’s even more [un]likely to result in some kind of rarefied “love.”

  372. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    The mathematical model that describes the acceleration of gravity describes the spin of electrons, the frequency of electromagentic radiation… Nothing that works so reliably can be called an “abstraction”
    So, Bustin Jay, you are saying that because of the applicability to empirical science that mathematics is real (or, as you say, discovered, not invented)?
    That line of argument is known as the Quine-Putnam indispensability argument for mathematical realism.
    It goes like this:
    (P1) We ought to have ontological commitment to all and only the entities that are indispensable to our best scientific theories.
    (P2) Mathematical entities are indispensable to our best scientific theories.
    (C) We ought to have ontological commitment to mathematical entities.
    You are a believer, Bustin Jay! Halelujah!
    Of course, there are a few problems with what you believe, but this post is getting a little long now and I try to follow the K-Dog rule and keeping post size to one screen.

  373. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    the ability concentrated the mind, or perform dharana (concentration), which is the first aspect of meditation.
    Julian, there are hundreds of meditation techniques, but they all basically boil down to two schools: those that concentrate consciousness and those that expand consciousness. What you are describing is not “the first aspect of meditation” just one aspect of one kind of meditation, a kind that reduces/restricts your consciousness to a candle flame, a mantra, etc. Eventually you have to go beyond concentration to the expansion of consciousness that is 24/7, to the nondual realization of TAT TVAM ASI

  374. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    No deities required. No God, no Creator required. Just pure empirical observation, Julian. Vipassana.
    And I have never seen the square root of a negative number, Bustin Jay, have you?

  375. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    Jeez, will you shut the fuck up already? I’m really getting tired of your eastern religion mumbo-jumbo, anti-Jewish, anti-black posts. I saw your picture on-line and it creeped me out. I believe you are, or were, a drug-addled sad sack who suffered brain damage as a result of too much ingestion of mind-altering substances. And I’m not going off on a rant here. I just dislike you intensely, and feel you are an extremely unpleasant individual. I picture you as dirtily unwashed.

  376. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    “No deities required. No God, no Creator required. Just pure empirical observation, Julian. Vipassana.
    Oh, a Buddhist fundamentalist now.
    You required a deity (Buddha), an outer mind-projection, to trust giving vipassana a try.
    Why should you try to teach the vipassana taught by the deity Buddha? And why should you be such a fundamentalist evangelist for one technique?
    Instead of posing as a Buddhist shouldn’t you become a True Believer and give up your throwback “family” to Janet Napolitano and Crew for proper raising? So they won’t shoot guns and stuff? Let’s get some consistency and sincerity here.
    By the way, did the Aryan Buddha have a fetish for race-mixing and race destruction like you? (No.) Or would he have considered it degenerate. (Check.) I believe quotations are available from the Vipassana guru that adduce to this.

  377. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm #

    Oops, A, I just embarrassed myself. My last post wasn’t intended for you, it was meant for Julian C.Lee. Please forgive me.

  378. Cavepainter April 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm #

    Oh my, such mystical gobbledygook (ok, ok, let’s say epistemological bantering). Oh, or maybe its solipsism? Whatever,…but to me (and maybe its just me as one who is pigment challenged) there seems a contradiction arising in all this fuss (I’m sure to be challenged with a barrage of more gobbledygook,….er,…esoterica).
    Anyway, isn’t it contradictory, on the one hand, to argue for transcended states of internal bliss that (it seems argued) make irrelevant physical circumstance, while, on the other hand, argue for unrestricted flood of immigration into the US by people whose aim is to escape such physical circumstance of overpopulation, resource scarcity and/or they just long for open range, species diversity and wilderness???
    Why not instead argue that all those billions wanting to flee their physical circumstance just migrate directly into that transcended spiritual sphere?
    Maybe I need to find some spiritual medium so I can channel John Muir to learn if his thinking on this has changed since his “crossing over”. Oh, right; I forgot, he’s white so he can’t have anything of worth to say.

  379. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    “Eventually you have to go beyond concentration to…
    Why does one who lacks natural human sensibilities want to preach at me?
    Dharana > Dyana > Samadhi.
    But don’t talk to be about “beyonds.” You have not even passed through the gulley of fasting how much more the fields of brahmacharya.
    Notice it’s preaching vipassana because it’s deity Buddha advocated it, but it disparages deities elsewhere. Now above, it disparages concentration even though concentration is the central technique of vipassana.
    Either its mind is squirming a toad, or it wants to present all religion in some kind of dead, confused, or hamstrung state. I’d wager it’s both. Masters of confusion.

  380. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    The things you refer to as “abstractions” are in fact grounded in reality.
    NUMERAL: A symbol used to denote a number. Sounds abstract to me.
    POINT: A geometrical construct which has position but no size. Say what? No width, no length, no depth? Sounds abstract to me.
    LINE: A length without breadth. I kid you not! This stuff is all abstract, not real.
    (Definitions from the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Mathematics.)
    Think carefully before you make the claim: “Yes, but these mathematical concepts are useful to describe reality.” Have you examined your beliefs?

  381. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    No problem. I am not antisemitic, nor anti-Black, so I figured it was not directed at me.

  382. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    Whites do indeed have something to say, but John Muir would not be the best choice when it comes to wilderness. He lost the battle with Gifford Pinchot, but neither the conservationists, nor the preservationists believed in leaving wilderness untouched. Muir believed in protection through federal control and management (Muir valued nature for its spiritual and transcendental qualities) for human benefit. Muir did not advocate leaving wilderness untouched for nature’s own benefit.

  383. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    “Jeez, will you shut the — up already?”
    Clean up your mouth.
    “I’m really getting tired of your eastern religion mumbo-jumbo, anti-Jewish, anti-black posts.
    I am responding to subjects that have been raised. The subject was the the health; diet. I game by two cents, beantown.
    I have not made many “anti black” posts.”
    And Jews are political players. Any group of political players can be discussed. Talking about Jews is political discussion. Or did you buy their constructed taboo against talking about one and only one political player? Get over it.
    “I saw your picture on-line and it creeped me out.”
    That’s a rather queer emotional reaction. (See me at this very moment, below.)
    “I believe you are, or were, a drug-addled sad sack who suffered brain damage as a result of too much ingestion of mind-altering substances.
    I never used drugs, or drank, Bill. Bet you do both even now.
    My mother told me to never use drugs, so I followed that. I never even puffed grass, and I have not used a aspirin in decades. I presently have bronchitis but will take no drug for it. I never drank, either.
    I don’t believe in any sort of drug, except that I do drink coffee. All parents should teach their children to not use drugs. They simply have to inform them of the truth about them, and let them know that drug users are idiots. When people tell you “It won’t do any good” — they lie.
    Bliss from religion is the best “drug” and it only heals, never hurts.
    And I’m not going off on a rant here.
    I just dislike you intensely, and feel you are an extremely unpleasant individual.
    Why the intense emotional reaction. I don’t say things like “Will you shut the —- up” etc. But it’s ok.
    I picture you as dirtily unwashed.
    Does your mind characteristically team with thoughts of the private state of male bodies? And your charge strikes me as oddly feminine for a “beantown bill” in any case. Are you a woman?
    To answer you though, here is a photo of me at this present moment at my computer:
    I would note that my shirt is brand new as of this week; the pants I’m wearing (black jeans) are so new this is their first day worn. My green jacket was picked up from the dry cleaners yesterday at around 1 pm. ($20 bill.) My boots are a nice pair of L.L. Bean “duck hunter” laceups. Sorry to disappoint you in your thoughts about the state of my body. Try to stay on topic.
    I am clean enough for an old man and what suits me. But true cleanliness is brahmacharya, in any case, plus a clean mouth. Usually heterosexual males don’t care that much about the cleanliness of other males, in any case. Maybe you’re the weirdo, Beantown Bill.

  384. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    deity Buddha advocated it…
    Julian, there may be some Buddhists (especially of the Tibetan variety) who paint Buddha as a deity, but Buddha himself never affirmed that. I understand that, from your Hindu point of view, you need to think that, but you are wrong.
    Buddhism explicitly rejected the Hindu belief in a vast pantheon of gods, the need to make religious images, and the use of magical formulas, drugs, etc.
    Buddha absolutely insisted that HE WAS NOT A GOD.
    Beware of Julian and Hindus who try to say Buddha is some kind of deity.

  385. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    “But true cleanliness is brahmacharya…”
    What is this nonsense about “cleanliness” and “purity” and opposition to two people falling in love, marrying, and having children if one is white and the other is Black?
    And you don’t do drugs but you drink coffee? Hmmm…
    Let me play the role of satguru: It is absolutely necessary for you to give up caffeine consumption in order to achieve lasting success in Brahmacharya. You are currently in a “New Orleans Streetfuck” state of Atmic bliss which has made you develop an external need of coffee to keep yourself happy and entertained.
    In other words, you are a brahmacharya hypocrite.

  386. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 5:57 pm #

    You put brown coffee into your pristine white body?
    /sarcasm off

  387. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    Usually heterosexual males don’t care that much about the cleanliness of other males, in any case. Maybe you’re the weirdo, Beantown Bill.
    Now you are implying that homosexuality is “weird”?
    You sure do have a lot of rules and preconceptions about what is “natural” when it comes to sex. But being Brahmacharya is unnatural, Julian. Since you have children I know you agree with me… you slipped at being Brahmacharya a couple of times. Or was there tantra involved? LOL!
    The so-called brahmacharins, the so-called celibate people — think continuously of sex and nothing else. That is bound to happen, that is natural, because celibacy has not arisen out of meditation. It is imposed, it is cultivated; it is not even skin-deep. Hence they are always afraid of women. The Jaina monk, the Buddhist monk, the Hindu sannyasin, they are all afraid of the woman. A great trembling arises in them just from seeing a woman. Hence the Buddhist rule: Don’t look beyond four feet. — Osho

  388. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    Julian, who is your satguru? I want to lodge a complaint about your disrespect for truth. You lie when you say: “I have not made many “anti black” posts.” Perhaps your racism is so ingrained, and so acceptable to you, that you are not even aware how offensive your language is. Or does your satguru share your views on miscegenation and the low-IQ of “inferior” Blacks? Does your satguru go around saying things like “Long live white Europeans”?

  389. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    “And your charge strikes me as oddly feminine…”
    OMG! Now there is something wrong with being a woman? I know the dharmic role of women in Hinduism and it is not pretty. But somehow your comment does not surprise me, given your association with Hinduism.
    From Manu up to today the woman has been condemned for the simple reason that all these so-called saints and mahatmas were living with repressed sexuality, and when you live with repressed sexuality the woman becomes immensely important. Then your whole mind is full of fantasies about women, and naturally one starts feeling that the woman is the cause of all these fantasies. You cannot get them out of your mind because those fantasies are very alluring, fascinating, but the reason is not the woman at all. Repress your desire for food and your mind will be full of food. Repress any desire and the repressed desire will take revenge; it is bound to happen so. It will assert itself in a thousand and one ways. If you prevent it at the front door it will start coming in through the back door. — Osho

  390. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 6:45 pm #

    “OMG! Now there is something wrong with being a woman?”
    He goes by the name of “Beantown Bill.” Are you telling us that you’re a woman, too?

  391. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    “You lie when you say: “I have not made many “anti black” posts.”
    I don’t enjoy talking about blacks. My posting history here will bear that out. I think I posted a few links to news stories about them. Did it distress you?

  392. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 6:49 pm #

    “Now you are implying that homosexuality is “weird”?
    They themselves proudly call themselves “queer.” You did not know this?
    Why are your posts suddenly like those of a teenage girl.

  393. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    “And you don’t do drugs but you drink coffee? Hmmm…
    Yes. I stated that I have never used drugs with the exception of coffee. Does this make you hyperventilate?

  394. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    “it disparages concentration even though concentration is the central technique of vipassana.”
    First, Julian, you have switched to referring to me with a pronoun, a kind of third person dehumanization. That is in contradiction to the teachings of the Vedas.
    Second, I did not “disparage” concentration. I acknowledged two approaches to meditation: concentration and awareness.
    Third, the central technique of vipassana is not concentration. Concentration involves blocking out sensory input, mental input, emotional input, etc. to focus on the object of concentration.
    Vipassana is awareness of your actions, your body, your mind, your heart, your breath. Walking, you should walk with awareness. Moving your hand, you should move with awareness, knowing perfectly that you are moving the hand. Breathing you should breathe with awareness. All this can be done anywhere: in the marketplace or in your closet (like Jesus suggested) and it can be done 24/7. No need to set aside a time or place for “meditation practice.” With vipassana everyday life activities can become meditation.
    P.S. No fucking deity taught me vipassana. It’s not rocket science. It just works. Kind of like mathematics: Deities are not necessary.

  395. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

    They themselves proudly call themselves “queer.” You did not know this?
    There are 7 billion queer people on this planet, Julian. You included. You did not know this?

  396. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    We are all unique, Julian. No carbon copies.
    adjective. 1. strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different

    From any given viewpoint somebody else appears queer. From the viewpoint of some other both you and I appear queer. We are all queer.

  397. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    “Buddha absolutely insisted that HE WAS NOT A GOD.”
    Buddha is certainly a deity of Buddhism.
    “you have switched to referring to me with a pronoun. That is in contradiction to the teachings of the Vedas.”
    Where in the Vedas does it say you can’t refer to an anonymous poster named Adequatio on Kunstler’s Clusterfuck Chronicle with a pronoun?
    Repress your desire for food and your mind will be full of food. Repress any desire and the repressed desire will take revenge; it is bound to happen so. It will assert itself in a thousand and one ways. If you prevent it at the front door it will start coming in through the back door. — Osho
    “He didn’t know much about yoga, did he. No wonder his followers became dreck and trash with no realization. The scriptures and yogis say the opposite to the Pimp of Antelope. They say that if you feed a desire the desire only grows, and only renunciation and tapas open the gates to the spiritual life.
    But what would somebody like Osho know about it? Osho was a pimp addicted to nitrous oxide who wore funny spaceman suits and got kicked out of America by Ronald Reagan.
    Osho’s crap was contrary to all dharma and the statements of both scriptures and sages. Renunciation brings the overcoming addictions.
    “They conduct themselves in the everyday life in accordance with the time-hallowed rules of conduct…”
    “He should be known as the killer of the Brahman,
    who is a renegade beyond the pale of all recognized schools of thought.”

    — The Jivan-Mukti-Viveka of Sri Vidyaranya
    “No Saint comes to the world with a new teaching or philosophy; he brings the same ancient wisdom.”
    — Maharaj Charan Singh, From “Divine Light”
    Repression is good. It’s the beginning of renunciation. You should try to repress your stupidity maybe.

  398. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

    I know that some Eastern philosophies state that sexual abstinence is healthy and beneficial. However, I don’t agree with that. A procreative force created the universe. One could say that the universe was ejaculated into existence.
    Since humans are subject to universal laws, it follows that sexual release, the ultimate positive sensual experience, is desirable. If it isn’t desirable, it probably would be a very physically painful enterprise, nature’s way of forcing avoidance. Instead, it is the opposite.

  399. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    We are all queer.
    Homosexuals use the term to signify their sexual situation, which is a minority situation. We are not all gay. In fact they are only 2-4 percent of population.
    And your statement conflicts with the definition of the word you yourself provided.
    And “odd from a conventional viewpoint” (queer newspeak, apparently) simply means unconventional. How can we “all be queer” if being queer means unconventional? Where is the “convention” to contrast then against the unconvention? And of course “convention” refers to a broadly acknowledged understanding or rule.
    They (and you) can’t have it both ways; declaring themselves both “queer” and “not queer.”
    (This is such tedious crap.)

  400. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    “…I don’t agree with that. A procreative force created the universe. One could say that the universe was ejaculated into existence. Since humans are subject to universal laws, it follows that sexual release…”
    Since you’re pointing to so much and cosmic purpose naturalness here, Beantown, how many children are you fathering so far? You must have plenty. Sex does have a purpose, after all…
    It can be used either for creating children and a family, or powering your meditation and penetrating the curtains of the mind. You took only the Big Family route? Ah, but there’s so much more! But congratulations on all your winsome children from so freely sexing.

  401. Buck's A Stud April 18, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    Bustin J writes:
    “Mathematics was discovered, not invented, and therefore remains in the realm of the natural. The things you refer to as “abstractions” are in fact grounded in reality.”
    Interesting post. You seem to be implying that mathematics is A-Priori in nature, that 2 plus three always equaled five even before humans discovered the ‘fact’?
    Any thoughts on Kurt Godel:

  402. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    “He [Osho] should be known as the killer of the Brahman, who is a renegade beyond the pale of all recognized schools of thought.” — The Jivan-Mukti-Viveka of Sri Vidyaranya
    LOL! Citing venerable saints, are we? Appeal to authority? Julian, you did not tell me who your satguru is, but OK, I’ll play along.
    “Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness.” — The Dalai Lama, exiled leader of Tibet
    “He [Osho] was the most original thinker that India has produced: the most erudite, the most clear-headed and the most innovative. And in addition he had an inborn gift of words, spoken and written. The like of him we will not see for decades to come…” It is a religion for the irreligious, for the agnostic, for the unbeliever, for the rationalist.” — Khushwant Singh, former editor of The Times of India; author and historian
    “Enlightened people like Osho are ahead of their times. It is good that more and more young people are now reading his works.” — K. R. Narayanan, former president of India
    “Osho is the greatest incarnation after Buddha in India. He is a living Buddha.” — Lama Karmapa, late head of the Kargyupta, (or Red Hat) Sect of Tibetan Buddhism
    “I believe that Osho was well ahead of his time in terms of his teachings, his thinking and as a practical man. This is very clear that the message of Osho is universal in nature. This also means that the right to His message is equally universal and should be available to any individual. In fact each one of the 6 Billion of us that inherit the earth today have a right to the words of Osho.” — Padamshree Dr Raghunath Mashelkar – Renowned scientist, Director General CSIR and Chairman of the committee of World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
    Osho is one of only two authors whose entire works have been placed in the Library of India’s National Parliament in New Delhi (the other is Mahatma Gandhi).

  403. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    Osho-ites are very aggressive activists and pushers. That’s a terrible embarrassment to India. Certainly there is no respected guru in India who made his name by running a whorehouse, taking drugs, or cursing religious traditions.
    My satguru is Jesus Christ, later Yogananda Paramahansa. Both of them, unlike the pimp Oshso, stressesd celibacy and respected religious traditions as contrasted to the deported Pimp of Antelope.
    But why does a Jewish activist need to ask?

  404. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

    I just wanted to comment on them. The egoistic Jesus Christ I have already commented on. Now for the egoistic Yogananda:
    “Paramahansa Yogananda is the first yogi in the whole history of yoga who has written an autobiography. This is foolish because the yogi, by the very nature of his being, has no autobiography. Autobiographies exist around the ego. A yogi, by the very nature of his being, is nobody; that is his whole autobiography. Sannyasins have always insisted that they don’t have any past. They efface their past. They have only the present; the now is all that they have — hence the freedom, the absolute freedom, of the sannyasin. Because he has no past he is not imprisoned anywhere. He has no autobiography. When somebody has attained to nirvichara samadhi, then he is a yogi, and then, the sheer vastness… Now he has become all. If you really want to write the autobiography, it will be the autobiography of the whole from the beginning — and there is no beginning — to the end — and there is no end.” — Osho

  405. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    Ah, yes. The nitrous-oxide huffing pimp attacked everything and everybody but himself. (Except for his fatuous Buddha-mongering.) He attacked the whole of dharma. That’s why they sent his ass packing from Poona in the first place. Indians don’t take too kindly to pimps.
    “Osho is one of only two authors whose entire works have been placed in the Library of India’s National Parliament…”
    Because he “made it” in America. Money talks. Notice that Ghandi stressed strict celibacy but Osho ran large brothel. Somebody had to really engineer that crap. But proof it’s, indeed, the Dark Age. (Kali Yuga)

  406. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

    Where is the Indian tradition that is pro-abortion? (The Vedas condemn it.)
    Where is the Hinduism that approves of sex outside of marriage?
    Where is the Hindu tradition that approves of running whorehouses?
    Where is the Indian tradition that says getting a ‘blissful’ face from administrations of nitrous oxide makes you a great yogi?
    Where are the Rajneesh/Osho disciples who attained anything?
    Anybody that respects the Bhagwan of Antelope is a bear of little brain.

  407. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    I have one child.
    If you ever watched animals copulate, you would notice they don’t seem to take any particular joy in it. Humans, on the other hand (except possibly some primates, but I don’t really know), are the only animals that actually take joy in the act.
    Americans still carry around their Puritan culture with regards to sex. Nothing is greater than good sex – except excellent sex. It is the most natural thing any of Earth’s creatures can do. To stifle such a beautiful activity seems unnatural.
    As far as penetrating the curtains of my mind, believe me, I penetrated those curtains about as much as humanly possible. I’ve spent great energy over the years learning about myself, the nature of the universe and my place in it. I don’t need to abstain from sex to get spiritual knowledge.

  408. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

    St Therese of Lisieux, the little Flower, wrote her “Story of a Soul” in the 1800’s. And the other St Theresa wrote an autobiography too. So Osho was wrong about that and many other things as well.

  409. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

    Sorry to butt in, but I couldn’t resist. I believe in our universe, in a decimal numbering system, 3+2 always equaled five.
    Godel had a towering intellect, but was very strange. Actually, I’ve known several brilliant mathematicians over the years, and they’re all pretty far out there. In my experience mathematicians are the brightest of the bright, surpassing physicists and other scientists. Even though the ones I got to know we’re harmless, they frightened me, as if they were aliens living in their own continuum, their thoughts unknowable.

  410. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

    Great article against Feminism. A Feminist Lawyer realizes the carnage she has caused when her son gets caught up in it.

  411. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    I see the Resident Impediment has been busy today.

  412. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    The Vedas condemn it…can you quote?

  413. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    anti everything?

  414. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    If you ever watched animals copulate, you would notice they don’t seem to take any particular joy in it.
    The male takes great joy in it, which is why dogs and horses and other mammals are so intensely driven to do it. You don’t know why a dog will get hold of your leg and eagerly start humping?? He wants the orgasm like you. Decrease your losses and your perception will improve.
    “Humans, on the other hand (except possibly some primates, but I don’t really know), are the only animals that actually take joy in the act.”
    Absurd. And humans also take joy in sniffing cocaine, trash TV, and time-wasting video games. It doesn’t mean it’s good for them. And the male has great loss in the orgasm, because it is his ‘period.’ That’s why he has a sudden change of state after, feels empty, depressed, no longer attracted to women or to most else. It is a dualistic experience, with pain and weakness quite equal to the temporary thrill as you empty yourself of your best, for no point.
    Americans still carry around their Puritan culture…
    Not you! And you have plenty of company. Yet purity is good. You probably uphold purity ideals with regard to milk, sugar, vegetables, and drugs. Why should not moral, mental, and spiritual purity matter even more?
    Nothing is greater than good sex – except excellent sex.
    The typical delusion of all creatures for a while.
    Another point is that the possibility of sex enjoyment declines, even with drugs, and takes a toll on a man. Have you seen photos of Hugh Hefner? It also causes your mind to become perverted gradually.
    It is the most natural thing any of Earth’s creatures can do.
    So are violence and stupid actions natural to creatures. A man’s impulse to transcend conventional animal drives and the vitiation and disturbance brought by sex — is also also natural thing. It’s part of human nature to transcend and re-direct sex energy intelligently. And children don’t do it.
    To stifle such a beautiful activity seems unnatural.
    Non-procreative sex is not beautiful or natural. It is ugly, especially a man and woman enjoying the act but blocking procreation. Metaphysically ugly. You have to do a lot of unnatural to be a sex bunny but have only one child. Morality is not the stifling of sex but the intelligent re-directing of it. Sex energy can’t be stifled.
    As far as penetrating the curtains of my mind, believe me, I penetrated those curtains about as much as humanly possible.
    If that were true you would not say there is “nothing better” than sex and you would have perceived the faults in it. Do you think of sex continuously during the deep dreamless sleep state? (No.) Do you think of sex all through your dreaming state. (No.) Must of the best dreams, the highest dreams, of the sleeping state are not sexual. (Except possibly in your case, but in my experience the highest and most emotionally satisfying ones were not sexual.)
    I’ve spent great energy over the years learning about myself,
    And you came up with “I enjoy orgasm.” How original. Reduce your losses and you will automatically become more original, as That is all original.
    …the nature of the universe and my place in it.
    Non-proceative sexing gives you no significant place in the universe. It is like stepping OUT of the universal economy, but going into a closet.
    I don’t need to abstain from sex to get spiritual knowledge.
    Actually, you do. It’s impossible to stabilize the mind adequately in meditation or to penetrate beyond the mind without the empowerment of mind given my continence. Your male period discharges the very stuff of the mind. A man can either have may penetrating pelvic thrusts (like you), or have a penetrating mind and penetrate all things. This is why continence is listed as a preliminary to yoga (meditation) in the Yoga-Sutra and Upanishads.
    The sages of yoga say the same, and so did the Buddha, who required celibacy of his monks. The Christian saints said the same. Your views are the typical degenerate and amoral views of a new-cum moderne.

  415. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:21 pm #

    maybe ignore the entity once known as asoka

  416. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    Did you know old Gloria Steinhem was employed by the CIA?
    JG, tribe, yawn.

  417. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    “The Vedas condemn it…can you quote?”
    Sure. A few of those quotes are given, scolling during the middle of the video:

  418. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

    and an abortion clinic..see the book by the UK gal.
    [Inside the rajneesh movement?]

  419. anti soak April 18, 2013 at 10:25 pm #

    and an abortion clinic..see the book by the UK gal.
    [Inside the rajneesh movement?]

  420. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    Many people have their picture taken with the Dalai Lama. Give him some money and he will say nice things about you. Remember this guy, Shoka Ashara? Sarin Gas Guru?
    Maybe the Dalai Lama should be a bit more discrete, but of course he can’t be blamed for what happened. But Ashara did apparently take much of mythology from the Shambala Myth and was initiated by the Dalai Lama into the Kalachakra, the estoteric practice associated with Shambala.
    Maybe people shouldn’t get this initiation without being vetted somehow?

  421. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    The “bhagwan” was always juvenile and like slapstick. He appealed to coarse, shallow people. I’ll parse out a few bits from the spacesuit wearing clown:
    Rajneesh: “Paramahansa Yogananda is the first yogi in the whole history of yoga who has written an autobiography.
    To be a yogi simply means to practice yoga. A 16-year-old in high school doing a bit of meditation is a yogi. A great many people who practice genuine yoga have written autobiographies, and he did it for our benefit. I guess he was jealous of the success of Yogananda’s book.
    This is foolish because the yogi, by the very nature of his being, has no autobiography. Autobiographies exist around the ego.
    Even a saint like Ramakrishna has to have ego to be here or to speak. He made this very point many times. Even a Krsna or a Christ must have an ego to be embodied and speak a word.
    Was the Rolls Royce spacesuit-wearing pimp who wore big stocking caps to cover his baldness and who continually attacked other teachers both venerable and modern — trying to tell us he was without ego?
    A yogi, by the very nature of his being, is nobody; that is his whole autobiography.
    Not so. He is mixing up the concept of the yogi with the concept of the jivanmukti or avadhuta in nivikalpa samadhi. They are not the same things. (As I mentioned, his rants were juvenile, random, and uneducated.)
    Sannyasins have always insisted that they don’t have any past. They efface their past. They have only the present; the now is all that they have — hence the freedom, the absolute freedom, of the sannyasin. Because he has no past he is not imprisoned anywhere. He has no autobiography.
    Yogananda was not a sannyasin, and did not claim to be a sannyasin. A sannyasin renounces all and wanders possessionless. He is also celibate. The Rolls-Royce Pimp of Antelope who had to escape in a hurry on his big jet has nothing to teach us about the state of the sanyassin. And by telling his gullible libertine fuck-bunny followers to wear orange and call themselves sanyassins, he defiled Hinduism. He must have been laughing about it constantly.
    When somebody has attained to nirvichara samadhi, then he is a yogi, and then, the sheer vastness… Now he has become all.
    Nirvichara (seedless) samadhi is a subject of the Yoga-Sutra, which teaches that celibacy is necessary for yoga that austerities, svadhyaya, and devotion-to-the-Lord — are the activities of yoga. (Verse 2:1). What does Osho have to do with concepts like samadhi? Nothing. He throws around “nirvichara samadhi” to impress his gullible followers.
    Rajneesh/Osho had neither nirvikalpa samadhi or the entry level samadhi of savikalpa, in which the heartbeat and pulse stops for long periods. The only samadhi this dickwad had was Nitrous Oxide samadhi.
    If you really want to write the autobiography, it will be the autobiography of the whole from the beginning — and there is no beginning — to the end — and there is no end.”
    All that just to slur somebody he viewed as a competitor, while he was creating moral breakdown and corruption among White Europeans and Americans, causing many women to end up old, childless, and sorrowful. Though I dislike Krishnamurti, he was right when he said about Rajneesh/Osho:
    “He is a criminal.”

  422. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    [Osho] attacked everything and everybody but himself.
    I sense you have no first-hand experience of Osho and base your opinions on conversations with followers or press reports.
    You are wrong that Osho never criticized himself. At times he claimed he did not even exist. At other times he denied any kind of deity status. Here he relates his correspondence with Mother Teresa.
    “Nothing can be more poisonous to humanity than what Mother Teresa is doing. In her letter she asked me, “Are you infallible? I believe in the infallible Jesus Christ.”
    I am not such a fool as to be infallible. I am an ordinary man just like you. I am very much fallible.
    Jesus is claiming that he is infallible – and he cannot see that Judas is going to betray him. He cannot see that going to Jerusalem during that religious festival is going to death. Only on the cross does he wake up; and he shouts at God, “Have you forsaken me?” But the skies remain silent.
    Silence is so beautiful. It is good that the sky does not answer your prayers; otherwise there would be so much noise around the world. And it would be difficult – what answer is given to whom? The sky remained silent.” –Osho

  423. Janos Skorenzy April 18, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    I had heard that. She’s also high in Ammerican Communism. I asked Wage about it but she wouldn’t answer – which says I was probably right. Imagine having a name like Grossman?

  424. Carol Newquist April 18, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    Does anyone else feel like Admiral Stockdale right now with all this mystical catechism?
    Is there any chance of tying this back to the topic, Smack Down Time?

  425. progress4conserving April 18, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

    “I see the Resident Impediment has been busy today.”
    Indeed. And when you couple The Trilogy of Trolls to the activities of the RI – there’s not much left of the CFN comment thread that’s worth reading.
    I just scanned through 24 hours of posts.
    I saved time by skipping anything by the Troll Trilogy (asokadequatio, “carol…,” and “carol.”
    And I skipped most/all of the responses that were directed TO the Troll Trilogy.
    What would have been 30 minutes of reading took about 2 minutes.
    The asoka..dequatio Trollfest is a great CFN timesaver, in a dialog destroying sort of way.
    oh well.

  426. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    by telling his gullible libertine fuck-bunny followers to wear orange and call themselves sanyassins, he defiled Hinduism. He must have been laughing about it constantly.
    Indeed, he enjoyed all aspects of the drama tremendously and laughed about the idiots in the religious traditions. Judging by the extent of your reaction, Osho was completely successful. He not only defiled Hinduism, Osho defiled all religious fundamentalisms and their beliefs in their various non-existent deities. It was his joy. His sannyasins laughed about it with him. His whole message could be summarized in three verbs: Live! Love! Laugh! If you had a sense of humor it was great fun!

  427. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    “I sense you have no first-hand experience of Osho and base your opinions on conversations with followers or press reports.”
    I’ve attempted to read his rants but found them too base and asinine. I have known about 5 people who lived with the Stocking Cap “Bhagwan” in Antelope, and read a couple of accounts by those who lived in his ranch-whorehouse (run my tractors for free sex). Every former Rajneesh I have met was like the roadkill of life. Their main characteristics were being childless, lacking any glow, liking to cuss a lot (because Osho cussed a lot), and they were always looking for “a partner.” And, oh yeah. They were always looking for sex. Somehow by feeding that desire under their guru they never “transcended” it after all!
    It’s all been done before. A thousand Oshos have come and gone.

  428. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    The asoka..dequatio Trollfest is a great CFN timesaver
    LOL! Scrolling saved you a lot of time! I recommend that strategy to everyone who doesn’t want to participate in the dialog.

  429. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    “Is there any chance of tying this back to the topic, Smack Down Time?
    It’s smackdown time for Rajneesh-Osho and his disciple Adequatio. (Whose wife would aborted his children had he lived with his avatar.)

  430. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    “Live! Love! Laugh! If you had a sense of humor it was great fun!”
    The ones who do that the best are children. They live, love, laugh, and have great fun. That is why their parents love them so much. Osho was anti-children, directing that quite a few of them be vivisected and murdered while inside their mothers. There is nothing more evil than that or more adharmic. The mothers were, of course, human wreckage after that.

  431. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

    I know your stance concerning women. I don’t agree with the sweeping generalities you’ve made in prior posts.
    That being said, however, I’ve always been skeptical of a lot of rape claims. My problem is that some claims are legitimate and some are phoney, How do you know the difference?
    Rape is a great offense against women, but unfortunately some unscrupulous women take advantage of it. Many rapes are real, but the liars make it difficult for the unfortunate ones.
    I admit that’s a conundrum for me.
    Again, it’s unfortunate that often the best way to determine if a rape occurred is if there’s been a pattern of such claims against a single individual. That even is not enough because because past records are excluded at trials.

  432. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    Osho loves publicity, positive or negative. You are working overtime here to spread negative publicity. Osho thanks you.
    It’s all been done before. A thousand Oshos have come and gone.
    Gee, name one other person who taught for forty years and has 650 books on every conceivable meditation method in all of the religious traditions.
    Name one other person who had no “tradition” who spoke on a range of mystics like Osho did and has books on most of them.
    Some of the mystics Osho speaks on:
    Adi Shankaracharya
    Baul Mystics
    Buddha (Gautama, the Buddha)
    Chuang Tzu
    George Gurdjieff
    Hakim Sanai
    J. Krishnamurti
    Jalaluddin Rumi
    Kahlil Gibran
    Lao Tzu
    Lieh Tzu
    Ma Tzu
    Mulla Nasruddin
    Omar Khayyam
    Rabindranath Tagore
    Raman Maharishi
    Ram Krishan Paramhansa
    Ta Hui
    I have only read about 100 of the 650, but found them easy to understand. Thanks for all the publicity you are generating for Osho!

  433. adequatio April 18, 2013 at 11:19 pm #

    Carol, I have touched a nerve and Julian is spreading publicity about Osho. As Julian says, it is smack down time and the cool Brahmacharya is working hard at it. Julian is arousing curiosity about Osho with his each of his responses.

  434. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

    I posted before I was finished with my comment.
    During a lovemaking session, if a woman says no, then you stop. It’s a simple rule, albeit pretty frustrating. But that too can be a problem. Too often, “NO! DON’T! STOP! can turn into, “no, don’t stop”. Unfortunately, one should really stop by assuming the woman really means what she says.

  435. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    “Carol, I have touched a nerve and Julian is spreading publicity about Osho.
    I see you think like a Jew.
    Osho-ites have been spreading publicity about Osho for a long time. But no negative publicity. Glad you’re pleased about my contribution. I am.
    Julian is arousing curiosity about Osho with his each of his responses.
    Lots of gullible people are being influenced by Osho propaganda and most have heard of him, but few hear criticism to make them draw back from the spacesuit nitrous oxide yogi, or the standup comedy ‘brilliance’ that appeals to mere rebellion and iconoclasm for its own sake. Your crowing rings hollow.

  436. Julian C. Lee April 18, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    “Some of the mystics Osho speaks on:”
    Wow, and all that “knowledge” led him to the great teaching of to “Fuck all you like, give me money for another Rolls Royce.”
    Yes, he named dropped a lot but with zero insight, just his word-dropping schtick in front of Americans too shallow to know better. He was a college professor before he discovered how gullible rich Americans are. The average professor of philosophy can patter about as many philosophers etc. You really must be a young individual.

  437. Beantownbill April 18, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    I think you should practice your mumbo-jumbo more religiously (pun intended). Like most haters, you speak in tongues of generalities. So how do Jews think? As if there’s a common “how”. I have to admit, despite my dislike, you do amuse me with your ho-hum, casual throw-away Jew-baiting. I just picture your inner rage coming up and providing you with what you consider wise comments, when in fact they show your ignorance and powerlessness. LOL.
    I think ii’ve had enough of this anti-Jew claptrap for this evening. I’m going to sleep. If I have some spare time tomorrow, I hope to see the real business of CFN – sustainability – being conducted.

  438. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 12:12 am #

    JHK said: Electric grids all over the world are aging and decrepit — the USA’s in particular — and the capital is not there to renovate them.
    UtilityT said: I would never describe the U.S. grid as decrepit. Far from it.
    Carol said: Is there any chance of tying this back to the topic, Smack Down Time?
    Thanks, Carol, for getting us back on topic. I would have to side with UtilityT on this one. The average cost of electricity is roughly the same today as it was in the late 1960s, when adjusted for inflation, yet the industry has reduced its overall emissions while increasing fossil generation by more than 160% since 1970. That indicates efficiency efforts are working.
    JHK says the USA’s grid is “aging and decripit.” The facts related to reliability do not support this claim.
    On average, USA electricity consumers can expect to lose power for more than 100 minutes annually due to outages from major storms. The majority of outages result from damage to the millions of miles of distribution lines.
    According to a 2008 Edison Electric Institute Reliability Report, 67% of electrical outage minutes were weather-related, typically due to wind, ice, or snow either directly affecting distribution assets or bringing vegetation into contact with utility lines, poles, and transformers. That is a damn good system, but efforts are underway to make it better.
    The Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) and electricity sector stakeholders are developing innovative technologies to address these challenges and make the distribution system more resilient to storms and terrorist attacks. It’s a multi-pronged approach: prevention, recovery, and survivability.
    Prevention: Hydrophobic Coatings. New advances in material science have resulted in the development of a family of nanostructured polymer coatings that can be engineered to provide surfaces with specific desirable properties. Coatings with ice-repelling qualities may reduce the risk for flashovers in winter storms. Ice-repelling coatings also may have applications in conductors in areas where there is a risk for mechanical overload due to ice accretion in winter months.
    Recovery: Airborne Damage Assessment. EPRI recently completed preliminary tests showing that both small piloted aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) or drones equipped with high-resolution cameras, global positioning systems (GPS), and sensors can be valuable tools for damage assessment. UAVs equipped with EPRI’s Airborne Damage Assessment Module (ADAM) can be small and light enough to be handled by a technician and can quickly survey devastated areas that are difficult to reach by roads blocked by downed trees or other obstacles.
    Survivability: Using PEVs as a Power Source. Plug-in electric vehicles (PEVs), both all-electric and hybrid, could be used to supply energy to a home during an outage. Hybrid electric vehicles also could operate as a gasoline-fueled generator to provide additional standby power. Automakers are interested in the concept, but the technologies require further development. Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. recently unveiled a system that enables the Nissan Leaf to connect with a residential distribution panel to supply residences with electricity from its lithium-ion batteries. The batteries can provide up to 24 kWh of electricity, sufficient to power a household’s critical needs for up to two days. EPRI is investigating potential uses for both gas-powered and electric automobiles as a power resource during extended outages.
    There is much more being done on electrical grid reliability, but this post is way too long already.

  439. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    He was a college professor before he discovered how gullible rich Americans are.
    Thanks, Julian, for another publicity opportunity. Osho was not just a “college professor.” Get your facts straight.
    In 1956 Osho received his M.A. from the University of Sagar with First Class Honors in Philosophy. That year he is the All-India Debating Champion and Gold Medal winner in his graduating class. Then he went on to teach to overflowing classes as a professor at the Sanskrit College in Raipur and at the University of Jabalpur, where he taught until 1966. As a powerful and passionate debater, he also traveled widely in India, speaking to large audiences and challenging orthodox religious leaders in public debates.
    Yes, he named dropped a lot but with zero insight
    That is your opinion, based on what? Comparative religion departments use his books on various religions, Zen monasteries use his books on Zen, etc. They must think he had some insight.
    Osho has spoken on hundreds of mystics and traditions including Buddhism, Christianity, Communism, Hassidism., Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Sikhism, Sufism, Tantra, Taoism, Yoga, Zen and many more. Julian, can you name one other spiritual teacher who has done that?

  440. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Apparently among his other errands Adequatio is here as an evangelist and marketer for the Rajneeshees and their glitzy Health Club and Pleasure Spa in India.
    What next?!

  441. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    For anyone interested, since Julian is giving Osho so much publicity, you can read Osho’s books for free by downloading them here:

  442. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 12:46 am #

    This is your work for Osho, Julian. Negative publicity is publicity. Osho loves negative publicity.
    But in my las post I provided the links to the free download of PDF books so people can judge for themselves.

  443. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    If I have some spare time tomorrow, I hope to see the real business of CFN – sustainability – being conducted.
    Beantown, I made a long post on electrical grid sustainability which you can see at this link.

  444. ront April 19, 2013 at 12:57 am #

    Meher Baba
    _As long as there is ego, there is an implicit background of duality,
    the mental operations of comparison and contrast cannot be effectively
    stilled forever. Therefore even when a person seems to feel a sense of
    equality with another, this feeling is not securely established. It
    marks a point of transition between the two attitudes of the ego
    rather than permanent freedom from the distinction between the “I” and
    the “you.”
    This pseudo-sense of equality, where it exists, may be stated in the
    formula, “I am not in any way inferior or superior to the other.” This
    will at once be seen to be _a negative assertion of the ego._ The
    balance between the “I” and the “you” is constantly disturbed by the
    predominance of a superiority or inferiority complex. The idea of
    equality arises to restore this lost balance.
    _The negative assertion of the ego in the form of equality is,
    however, utterly different from the sense of unity_ which is
    characteristic of the life of spiritual freedom. Although the sense of
    equality is made the basis of many social and political ideals, _the
    real conditions of rich co-operative life are fulfilled only when the
    bare idea of equality is replaced by the realisation of the unity of
    all life._
    The feelings of superiority and inferiority are reactions to each
    other, and the artificially induced feeling of equality might be
    regarded as a reaction to both. In all these three modes the ego
    succeeds in asserting its separateness. _The superiority complex and
    the inferiority complex for the most part remain disconnected from
    each other. They both seek separate and alternate expression through
    suitable objects,_ as when a person dominates those whom he regards as
    his inferiors and submits to those whom he looks upon as his
    superiors. But such alternative expression through contrasting
    behaviour only accentuates these opposite complexes instead of leading
    to their dissolution.
    The superiority complex is stirred when a person meets one who is in
    some way remarkably inferior to him in mundane possessions. _In spite
    of its many possessions the ego is constantly confronted with the
    spectacle of its intrinsic emptiness. Therefore it clings to the
    comforting delusion of its worthwhileness by demonstrating the
    greatness of its possessions._ This contrast is not confined to
    theoretical comparison, but often exhibits itself in an actual clash
    with others. Thus aggressiveness is a natural outcome of the need to
    compensate for the poverty of the ego-life.
    DISCOURSES – 6th Edition; pp 75-77 Meher Baba

  445. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    Man, he sure could talk, when he was well enough to walk and after he was high on nitrous oxide. He was a wonderful comedian for some.
    Be sure to check out these, too. Much more interesting than his crude attacks on everything good. Here’s some more of the publicity you crave for your dead pimp icon:
    Bhagavan: The God That Failed
    The Rajneesh Chronicles: The True Story of the Cult That Sought to Kill Two Thirds of the Human Race
    Collection of in-depth investigative articles.
    “By their fruits ye shall know them.”

  446. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:02 am #

    And a few more to entertain all and please Inadequatio:
    My Life In Orange”
    (A kid who had his life blighted by having parents into Rajneesh.)
    The First Bio-Terrorism Attack in America
    Courtesy of Osho’s community.

  447. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:03 am #

    Is a Smart Grid Too Much Magic?
    63% of the responding utilities are sending text messages to customers and 38% are connecting via downloadable apps. For both transmission & distribution (T&D) and consumer purposes, cyber security concerns and support costs were listed among the top barriers.
    Balance dispatchable generation with forecastable demand-side resources. The supply side of today’s power system consists of baseload generation plus load-following generation, plus or minus bulk energy storage. All those sources must be continuously balanced to meet customer demand minus interruptible load demand response. The vision is of a fully integrated electricity system, where supply and demand are not exclusively on opposite ends of the grid. Source: EPRI
    Equipment life extension. Cycling the typical combined cycle plant accelerates damage mechanisms such as creep fatigue, thermal fatigue, and corrosion, thereby increasing the rate of component life consumption. This wear and tear increases the overall costs of generation, including direct costs such as fuel, water treatment, and maintenance. EPRI is studying component and operational changes that will reduce the impact of cycling. Source: EPRI
    Robotic assistants. The concrete crawler can climb structures and perform nondestructive tests, avoiding the need for a human to be present in a hazardous location or the necessity of erecting costly support structures. The submersible robotic vehicle is being developed to inspect reactor vessels and spent fuel ponds.
    High wire act. The inspection robot is capable of crawling over conductor shield wires and carrying a payload to allow autonomous inspection of transmission corridor segments up to 80 miles long at least twice annually.
    Data explosion. The amount of data collected by utilities will continue to increase as more advanced technologies are deployed. Fully taking advantage of this new data by turning it into actionable information with industry standard methods and tools is a significant challenge for utility companies. Source: EPRI
    Rolling electricity Storage. EPRI is investigating how plug-in electric vehicles may be used to supply electricity during a system outage or emergency.

  448. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:05 am #

    And more…
    Great pictures of his disciples lined up to worship him in his Rolls Royces:
    Revisiting the Rajneeshees
    Rajneeshees in Oregon: The Untold Story

  449. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:08 am #

    Quite a few interesting links:
    A positive opinion by a very gullible person, but interesting:
    Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth

  450. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:10 am #

    Great work for Osho, Julian. Keep it up!

  451. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:19 am #

    A positive opinion by a very gullible person, but interesting
    Julian, you say they were “very gullible”?
    According to the demographic statistics of Osho movement 97 per cent of Osho sannyasins were white, 25 per cent were Jewish and 85 per cent belonged to the middle and upper-middle classes. Almost two-thirds had university degrees and viewed themselves as “successful in worldly terms”. Three quarters had previously been involved in some therapy and more than half had previously experimented with another spiritual group. In 1984 the average age of members of the Rajneesh movement was 34; 64 per cent of the followers had a four-year college degree.
    34 years old, educated, successful. Hardly gullible teenagers looking for a substitute family. Thanks for another opportunity to provide Osho with publicity, Julian.

  452. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:22 am #

    25 years after Rajneeshee commune collapsed, truth spills out
    Very interesting reportage.
    Old Bhagwan, New Bottles
    From a review of “The God That Failed”:

    “The Kama Sutra says, about the `public woman’: After acceptance she should please him; when he is infatuated with her she should suck him dry of his wealth and at last abandon him. This is the duty of a public woman”.
    This, in essence, was the strategy Rajneesh, a balding potbellied holy man, used with the people who flocked to his flat in Bombay, his sprawling `ashram’ in Poone and later to the commune in Oregon. Seduction, followed by indoctrination and total mind control. This book is an instructive story that should be a required reading for naïve devotees flocking to India to sit at feet of more than imperfect `holy men’ who have no compunction about mind control and (sex)ploitation. Here is how Milne describes his first meeting with Rajneesh:
    “One hand still holds mine as the questions continue, as if he is practicing the gentlest ever form of mind detection. There is no invasion of privacy, no alarm, but it is as if his soul is slowly slipping inside mine, and in a split second transferring vital information. Letting go of my hand, he moves his left arm behind me. I sense a presence hovering over the crown of my head. He rests his hand there and stares off into the middle distance, sensing, checking, listening, all his being attuning itself to mine. Then the soft hand moves to my forehead, waits, listens, wafts to my throat and presses so gently on the cartilage there. Every chakra is discretely touched. The chakras recognize the arrival of a friend.”
    Dangerous man. After his grandfather died at the age of seven, Rajneesh resolved to never become attached to another human being. As a youngster, he was an admirer of Gurdjieff, experimented with the occult, breath control, magic and hypnosis, making himself an outcast in his own family.
    Milne, attracted at first by `tantra’ practices (a Rajneeshi synonym for “free sex for all”), eventually became a personal bodyguard and, as a member of the inner circle, a close witness to the rise and fall of one of the greatest spiritual scam artists of the XXth century.
    When Rajneesh proclaimed that `sex was divine and natural’ he became attractive to Europeans and Americans who were fleeing the straight-jackets of puritan morality. These people paid their price: they were made to renounce their wealth and work, sleep-deprived, 12-14 hour days/7 days a week.
    The earnest work by the Occidentals must have gotten a chuckle or two from the Indians, for whom any physical effort is a degradation to be avoided at all cost. The (mostly Western) devotees were controlled by a tight-knit group of Indians led by a truly scary `Ma Anand’ Sheela character. Milne describes the woman as aggressive, greedy, amoral without any empathy or remorse. Sheela was responsible for creating a concentration camp in Oregon and committed what may be the first bioterrorist attack in the US.
    Milne, who today is a well known teacher of alternative medicine in California, does not appear in a good light in his own book. He had aided and supported Rajneeesh through his worst excesses, watched coolly as the guru played at social engineering – putting together and dissolving relationships, forcing thousands of women (including 14 year old girls) into sterilizations or even prostitution… so long as he was able to be close to the guru and have a piece of the action.
    In the end, both Rajneesh and Sheela managed to escape long prison sentences. However, in what appears now to be a sort of `karmic’ retribution, the more he took advantage of people, the more Rajneesh began to suffer from mysterious diseases, allergies, headaches and nosebleeds. At the end, the man was expelled from the US and died in India embittered, an empty shell of a person with few disciples and no joy in life. Ma Sheela, on the other hand, these days runs two retirement homes in Switzerland…
    …Rajneesh failed as a luminous being – failed big time. His unearned talents were squandered in the egoic quest for self-importance, good time and control. In other words, R’s supposed “wisdom” is simply ink, squirted in our direction by an octopus of an Ego retreating into the depths of the fundamental refusal to face, and accept, the illusion of itself. We can only be thankful we do not encounter the same temptations that the venerable “bhagwan” succumbed to.
    What we get in this book, then, is a cautionary tale urging us to see through and avoid spiritual charlatans who are trying to create an aura of specialness and mystery around themselves. There are lots of these people all over the place. What they say may be right yet what they represent is the exact opposite of what they preach. So watch for the squirts of the Wisdom Ink: they represent a measure of delusion – not love, not freedom and not truth.

    This is Osho.
    Jesus Christ: “By their fruits yes shall know them.”

  453. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:26 am #

    Rajneesh had to change his name to lose his bad reputation. Then he was recycled as Osho. This is an article about that process:

    Oct. 20, 1999 | Ever wonder what ever happened to the guy whose religious followers were linked to the only episode of domestic mass bioterrorism in America? Well, in the case of the late, notorious Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, old renegade sex gurus never die. He just “left his body” somewhere in India in 1990 and later emerged as a thriving, modern-day publishing machine known as Osho.
    Rajneesh’s flock caught much of his meditative bon mots on tape, and now incessantly recycle these ponderings as spiritual wisdom under the author name of Osho. This Osho has now generated an impressively diversified empire of books, video tapes, television shows, corporate seminars (via Osho “trainees”) and even a 34-acre luxury spa in Pune, India. With more than a dozen titles published and still going strong, his worldwide book and audio book sales now surpass $1 million annually. Due out in mid-November from the ever-prolific (albeit, technically dead) Osho: Three new titles from St. Martin’s Griffin — “Creativity,” “Courage” and “Maturity,” all priced at $11.95 — to mark the 10th anniversary of his death in January. And in May 2000, a new “autobiography” with the working title “Osho: The Autobiography of the Spiritually Incorrect Mystic.”
    To date, the published works of Osho have left readers with little clues as to his former identity. So consumers may not know that they’re actually plunking down their cash for rehashed ramblings from the late Rajneesh, the controversy-plagued spiritual leader kicked out of the United States after his legal woes heated up in the mid-1980s. Rajneesh made headlines with a lifestyle that included a convoy of more than 90 Rolls-Royces, flashy jewelry and enough hedonistic pursuits to earn him the title “world’s most famous sex guru.”


  454. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:31 am #

    Great pictures of his disciples lined up to worship him in his Rolls Royces
    It was a drive-by darshan. Any other spiritual teacher in history ever do that? Yet there have been “thousands of Oshos” according to you. By the way, darshan is not “worship.” Sannyasins were friends did not “worship” Osho, who was an ordinary man. It was a heart-to-heart silent communion. But they did take advantage of every opportunity to SEE… which is what darshan is.

    Darshana (Sanskrit), which means “vision” (more precisely, vision of ultimate reality), an event in consciousness—-an interaction in presence between devotee and guru.

  455. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:33 am #

    “According to the demographic statistics of Osho movement 97 per cent of Osho sannyasins were white, 25 per cent were Jewish and 85 per cent belonged to the middle and upper-middle classes.
    Osho never had any sanyassins. The word means something.
    Obviously he’d draw Jews.
    Yes, they were gullible. India had a reputation. White people hunger for spirituality. It was a real tragedy, shame, and crime. Osho destroyed much of the flower of the white nations at that time.
    No ananda, no samadhi, no brahmacharya, no siddhi, and no knowledge for the men. Just some more sex. And for the women, a future of childlessness and singlehood — a woman’s true hell.

  456. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:35 am #

    Jesus Christ: “By their fruits yes shall know them.”
    So how does the violent and criminal behavior of Christians reflect on Jesus?
    All your comments are ad hominem, but that’s cool. Publicity is publicity. You are doing good work for Osho, Julian.

  457. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:35 am #

    “Yet there have been “thousands of Oshos” according to you.
    There have been thousands of pimps. And thousands of people dressing up sex, desire, and passion as “religion.” In fact, many modern day Christian televangelists are in the same category as Osho. He just threw around words like “samprajnata samadhi” to make it seem different.

  458. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 1:40 am #

    “So how does the violent and criminal behavior of Christians reflect on Jesus?
    None of Jesus’ disciples were known to plot the murders of anybody, to walk around Jesus with machine guns, or do mass poisonings of communities. Also, none of them ran whorehouses for Jesus.
    All your comments are ad hominem,
    “Ad hominem” is what you say when you don’t know what to say. I posted quite a few links to sites and books dealing with witness accounts.
    …but that’s cool. Publicity is publicity. You are doing good work for Osho, Julian.
    I know you love it, indeed. You have said so several times. I am just trying to help you out, indeed.

  459. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    no brahmacharya, no siddhi
    Julian, now you are getting it! Nothing “extraordinary” that appeals to the ego. No special powers, no miracles, no superhuman feats of renunciation, no spiritual tricks. Tricks are for kids. Osho’s neo-sannyasins are ordinary travelers on the path.

    Once a man went to Ramakrishna. Ramakrishna was sitting on the bank of the Ganges. The man was a very famous yogi of those days. He had gone there to brag about himself — and that’s what these so-called yogis go on doing. He said, “Ramakrishna, what are you doing sitting here? Let us go for a walk on the Ganges.” Ramakrishna asked him, “How many years did it take for you to walk on water?” He said, “Eighteen years practising in the Himalayas, hard work, fasting, yoga postures. It has been difficult, very difficult. It was almost impossible, and many times I wanted to drop the whole project, but somehow I persisted. Now I have the SIDDHI, the power — I can walk on the water. Can’t you walk on the water?” Ramakrishna said, “I am not so foolish. When I want to go to the other bank I give the ferryman only two paise, and that’s enough! Your eighteen years are worth just two paise. Get lost! I am not interested in it.” Only fools are interested in miracles. –Osho

  460. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:51 am #

    None of Jesus’ disciples were known to plot the murders of anybody
    Really? How was it Jesus was betrayed (which led to his death)? Wasn’t it by a disciple?

  461. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 1:53 am #

    How many have the honor of having their entire work in the Indian National Parliament Library?

  462. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 2:02 am #

    “Ad hominem” is what you say when you don’t know what to say.
    LOL! Yes, I just plumb run out of things to say!
    But I’ve pointed people to Osho’s own words, not to “eye witness” accounts of disillusioned disciples.
    There are many more books written by active and content sannyasins than by disgruntled sannyasins. You have not linked to any of those, but thanks for reminding me to do so. You are a good worker for Osho.
    Osho, India and Me
    Jack Allanach (Swami Krishna Prem)
    Lulu, UK, 2010 –
    ISBN 978-1-4457-3346-3
    Hellbent for Enlightenment
    Rosemary Hamilton (Ma Anand Nirgun)
    White Cloud Press, USA, 1998 –
    ISBN 1-883991-15-3
    Anurag Shantam (Swami Anurag Shantam)
    Rebel Satori Press, USA, 2009 –
    ISBN 978-1608640065
    Beyond Darkness
    V. Tamaso (Ma Veet Tamaso)
    Xlibris Corporation, Australia, 2012 – ISBN 978-1469156156
    Beloved Osho
    Ageh Bharti (Swami Ageh Bharti)
    Diamond, India, 2007 –
    ISBN 978 8128837692
    Blessed Days with Osho
    Ageh Bharti (Swami Ageh Bharti)
    Diamond Books, India, 2007 –
    ISBN 978-8128817007
    Forever is Not Long Enough
    Prem Patipada (Ma Prem Patipada)
    Mosquito Design, USA, 1997
    From Fear to Enlightenment
    Mahadevi (Ma Mahadevi)
    Mahadevima Foundation, India, 2006 – ISBN 92-990039-0-4
    If It Could Happen To Buddha, Why Not You?
    Vasant Joshi (Swami Satya Vedant)
    Wisdom Tree, India, 2009 –
    ISBN 978-8183281560
    I Leave you my Dream: Osho Memoirs
    Satya Niranjan (P. C. Bagmar – Swami Satya Niranjan)
    Sakshi Publications, India, 2012
    In the Dark and Still Moving
    Anne Geraghty (Ma Prem Vismaya)
    The Tenth Bull, UK, 2007 –
    ISBN 978-0955495403
    Kali Yuga Odyssey: A Spiritual Journey xxx
    J.T. Ross Jackson (Swami ?)
    Robert Reed Publishers, USA, 2010 – ISBN 978-1885003447
    Life of Osho
    Sam (Swami Paritosh)
    Sannyas, UK, 1997 –
    ISBN 0-9531534-0-1
    Allah to Zen
    Diamond Books, India –
    ISBN 978-8171823741
    Chetan Unmani, Chaitanya Keerti
    A Real, Authentic Man of Laughter
    Sangham Press, India, 1994
    A Surprise Life
    Susan M. Clare (Ma Prem Sambodhi)
    2009 – ISBN 1-4392-5281-5
    Love at Dancing Leaves: A Tantra Memoir
    M.K. MacCrae (Ma Prem Madhuri)
    Create Space, USA, 2010 –
    ISBN 978-1451561425
    Love Song for Osho
    Ma Anand Devika (Ma Anand Devika)
    Diamond Books, India, –
    ISBN 81-288-1743-4
    Naked: Tragedies, Comedies and Discoveries. The Journey Continues…
    Anneke Wills (Ma Prem Anita)
    Hirst Books Ltd., UK, 2009 –
    ISBN 978-0955714917
    New Vision For The New Millennium
    Dr. Vasant Joshi (Swami Satya Vedant)
    Diamond Books, India, 2000 –
    ISBN 978-8171824441
    One Quest Many Meetings
    Devika Elisabeth Berthout (Ma Anand Devika)
    Navdin Prakashan Kendra, India, 2001 ISBN 81-7214-672-8
    Osho Fragrance
    Swami Chaitanya Keerti
    Wisdom Tree, India, 2007 –
    ISBN 978-8183280037
    Osho: The Luminous Rebel
    Vasant Joshi, PhD (Swami Satya Vedant)
    Wisdom Tree, India, 2010 –
    ISBN 978-81-8328-154-6
    Our Beloved Osho
    Swami Arvind Chaitanya
    Diamond Books, India, –
    ISBN 978-8128837692
    Past the Point of No Return
    Ma Anand Bhagawati
    Osho World Foundation, India, 2010 – ISBN 978-93-80397-00-9
    Please Don’t Tell My Guru
    Rico Provasoli (Swami ?)
    Humble Press, USA, 2009
    Revise Priorities Ahead! Life on a Spiritual Path
    Devananda Day (Swami Devananda)
    Smashwords, USA, 2012
    William Ashoka Ross (Swami Ashoka)
    Playful Wisdom Press, USA, 1990
    Tantra A Way of Living and Loving
    Radha C. Luglio (Ma Prem Radha)
    Wisdom Tree, India, 2005 –
    ISBN 978-8183280112
    The Alchemy of Zen
    Swami Chaitanya Keerti
    Wisdom Tree, India, 2008 –
    ISBN 978-81-8328-120-1
    The Bush is Burning
    Mira van Pletzen (Ma Deva Alka)
    Alkadeva, S.A., 2008 –
    ISBN 978-0-620-40788-5
    The Experience of the Soul
    Kaveen (Swami Kaveen)
    Zee Publishing, USA, 2010 –
    ISBN 978-1616581312
    The Inward Journey: In Osho’s Guidance
    Anand Urmila (Ma Anand Urmila)
    Diamond Books, India, 2005 –
    ISBN 978-8128809897
    The Mystic Rose and the Magic of the Empty Chair
    Devakrishna Marco Giollo (Swami Devakrishna)
    Giollo Art, Switzerland, 2012 –
    ISBN 978-3033033139
    The Odysee of Enlightenment
    Berthold Madhukar Thompson (Swami Madhukar)
    Wisdom Editions, USA, 2002 –
    ISBN 978-1931254090
    The Osho Way – In Romance With Life
    Swami Chaitanya Keerti
    Diamond Books, India, 2003 –
    ISBN 978-8128804649
    The Point of Vanishing
    Rashid Maxwell (Swami Deva Rashid)
    Niyogi Books, India, 2012 –
    ISBN 978-93-81523-32-2
    The Rebellious Enlightened Master Osho
    Swami Gyan Bhed
    Fusion Books, India, 2006 –
    ISBN 81-8419-047-6
    The True Rebellion
    Nukunu Jørgen Larsen (Swami ?)
    Nukunu Publishing, Denmark, 2000
    Women in New Religions: In Search of Community, Sexuality, and Spiritual Power
    Elisabeth Puttick (Ma Bhadra)
    Palgrave MacMillan, UK, 1997 –
    ISBN 978-0312172602

  463. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 2:05 am #

    I am just trying to help you out, indeed.
    You are not helping me. You are helping Osho, more than anyone in the history of CFN.

  464. Janos Skorenzy April 19, 2013 at 2:35 am #

    The fake ones make it hard for the real ones, you say. And what about the man falsely accused, his life destroyed? Funny how you didn’t even think that was worth consideration. You fall for the Feminists hook, line, and sinker.
    What would be a just punishment for them? Not that you care, but they get NOTHING as of now. A just punishment would be to get the sentence the man would have gotten if convicted – many years in other words.
    Sure a man should stop, but what if he’s too far along to – in other words, not a perfect being? Should his life be destroyed? Or if he doesn’t call back for a second date and muffy decides it was rape after all? Or, as in this case, a girl decides she was raped years later?
    You are what is known as a White Knight. Men look out for Women. And Women look out for Women. Thus, once women get the right to vote, they, together with hypnotized men like you, wreak havoc and gradually destoy society. You see Bill, women don’t like men who don’t make more than them. So as Women gain power, they have fewer and fewer possible mates. And smart men learn to stay away from them even if they pass inspection.

  465. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 2:35 am #

    Quite a few interesting links:
    Yes, Rick Ross is a Christian and does a smear job on anything he thinks is a “cult” like Yogananda and the Self Realization Fellowship.
    Julian, isn’t Yogananda your satguru?

  466. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 2:44 am #

    Lucky 13 also links to the kidnapper Rick Ross frequently. In 1993 Ross faced charges over a 1991 forcible deprogramming where he held of United Pentecostal Church International member Jason Scott against his will for five days. Ross settled a civil suit with Scott in 1995, causing Ross to file for personal bankruptcy because of the $2,500,000 in punitive damages awarded against him. In September 1995, a nine-member jury unanimously held Ross and other defendants in the case liable for negligence and conspiracy to deprive Scott of his civil rights and religious liberties.

  467. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 2:46 am #

    “It was a drive-by darshan.”
    Yeah, we know. That’s what’s so asinine. And isn’t that dualistic worship?
    “Julian, now you are getting it! Nothing “extraordinary” that appeals to the ego.
    Funny. So you’re saying Rajneesh was nothing extraordinary. I will agree with that.
    And you’re saying he offered nothing that had true appeal for human beings. I will agree with that.
    No special powers, no miracles, no superhuman feats of renunciation, no spiritual tricks.
    The human being wants bliss, power, and the miraculous. Religion is indeed bliss, siddhi (power and the ability to manifest thought and prayer), and world-upgrade. Both Christ and the Yoga-Sutra confirm this. This is what human beings both want and need. Indeed, Osho/Rajneeshed offered nothing of these. He was empty and had nothing that humans need or want. Thank you for making my best case regarding the Pimp of Antelope. One great thing about the satguru of the Gentiles is that He, also, thought religion should be these things.
    Tricks are for kids.
    Osho himself wanted to manifest his thoughts and obviously craved power. He was very into usig hypnotism. Your “siddhis are for kids” is just posing and sour grapse.
    Osho’s neo-sannyasins are ordinary travelers on the path.
    I’ve known many of them. There is nothing extraordinary about being addicted to sex, being childless and alone, and pining away for a “partner.” There was nothing extraordinary about the many Rajnenesh commune women who were working as prostitutes (“tantric healers”) a few years afterward.
    I notice you wanted to use Ramakrishna for your ends. Ramakrishna, who continually stressed celibacy, would have loathed Rajneesh. One funny thing is that after Rajneesh fled in a panic in a big empty jet with his barren girlfriend “Vivek” (not) — they had to roam the world looking for some country that would accept them and most coutries refused.
    “He moved about, going to Crete where he was arrested. He tried Geneva, Stockholm, Heathrow, Canada, and Ireland but was refused entry. Ireland let him land to refuel but he could only stay two weeks on agreement not to publicly speak. When he landed in Madrid the Guardia Civil circled the plane. He was tossed out of Dakar and Uruguay told him to leave when he spoke publicly. Jamaica gave the group 12 hours to leave.”
    Funny stuff. Yes, the celibate dualistic bhakta Ramakrishna said some great things. I became fond of the “Gospel of Ramakrishna” 30 years ago. One of the things Ramakrishna said was that ‘God never humiliates a sage.’ Looks like your Bhagwan didn’t make the grade.
    “You are not helping me. You are helping Osho, more than anyone in the history of CFN.”
    I’m quite happy to do it. Don’t mention it. Here’s some more, just for you:
    “Escape from Rajneeshpuram”
    Great stuff there.

  468. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 2:48 am #

    “Yes, Rick Ross is a Christian and does a smear job on anything he thinks is a “cult” like Yogananda and the Self Realization Fellowship.”
    Now you’re down to mere Jewish arguing maneuvers. The page is a good compilation of reference links.

  469. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 2:55 am #

    And isn’t that dualistic worship?
    Osho was in silence in Oregon. Darshans were silent heart to heart communion which is not dualistic and not worship.
    Osho’s neo-sannyasins are ordinary travelers on the path.
    Julian says: I’ve known many of them. There is nothing extraordinary about…
    That is my point Julian. Osho is not extraordinary. His sannyasins are not extraordinary. They are not looking for extraordinary powers or siddhis or practicing renunciation or any of the other nonsense you are doing.

  470. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 2:55 am #

    From the above link:

    “In the early l980’s while I was litigating against the now defunct Center for Feeling Therapy the flavor of the decade thought reform and destructive cults was Orange.
    “The middle class found retreat in an Oregon commune where sex was urged similar to the freedom of the Manson family at the Spahn Ranch in the l960’s creating a media controversy as well as did the Indian founder Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh’s passion for purchasing Rolls Royces with his followers assets and an L.Ron Hubbard and Howard Hughes obsession over germs.

  471. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:02 am #

    Now you’re down to mere Jewish arguing maneuvers.
    What is a “mere Jewish arguing maneuver.” Isn’t that an antisemitic remark? Or is that what you say when you have nothing to say?
    Rick Ross did a smear job on Yogananda and the Self Realization Fellowship. You say Yogananda is your satguru.
    Ross sees cults everywhere.

  472. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:05 am #

    This is very funny, to find out Adequatio is a freaking Rajneeshee.
    Osho was in silence in Oregon.
    The insider whow wrote “The God That Failed” wrote all about that. He didn’t like his followers, had contempt for them, and was too sickly to be seen most of the time. He had to use drugs to get himself into a happy-faced mood to present himself. And he wasn’t “being in silence.” He was constantly reading magazines and periodicals and books. Hardly the mark of a sage. And he was nattering with his concubine. You don’t have a wife around if you want to “be in silence.”
    Darshans were silent heart to heart communion which is not dualistic and not worship.
    Having any external god, icon, or focus is the dualism you disparaged earlier.
    Osho’s neo-sannyasins are ordinary travelers on the path.
    They are certainly neo- but they are no kind of sanyassins and they are actually more messed up people than are the wiser sort of seeker who respects ancient verities and spiritual fundamentals.
    That is my point Julian. Osho is not extraordinary.
    Isn’t he the one who wore freaky spacesuit like costumes and who had 90 Rolls Royces and did “darshans”?
    You, not just Osho, promote him as extraordiary. And he wore costumes and pumped up his image to beat the band. His supposed “being in silence” was one of the ways he pumped himself up.
    In any case, every human being wants an extraordinary man for a guru. I am glad you at least admit he was nothing much. It’s true.
    They are not looking for extraordinary powers or siddhis…
    Not true. And there is nothing extraordinary about the power of thought, prayer, or concentration. They are part of the Christian heritage and every Rajneeshee I knew was interested in that. They even give seminars on it.
    …or practicing renunciation…
    But practicing renunciation is what a sanyassin does. Are you saying they are clowns?

    “Like Charles Manson, Chuck Dederich, Jim Jones, Richard Corriere and Werner Erhard, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh gained popularity by using the language of Abraham Maslow’s Human Potential Movement, luring to his commune—Rajnesshpuram– those seeking self realization, the popular meditation craze of the 70’s, benefits and dressing in orange robes.

  473. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:08 am #

    By the way, one of the fruits of genuine yoga is the destruction of health problems. I destroyed a number of chronic health problems through continence and yoga. Notice that Rajneesh, who preached there was no value in yoga’s ancient continence ideal, was famously sickly, always using all kinds of medicines to try to get relief. This is not the sign of even a middling yogi much less a sage. But what can you expect from a sexer. To much semen loss destroys the male’s health. That’s Osho.

  474. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:09 am #

    Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh’s passion for purchasing Rolls Royces
    Osho never “purchased” a Rolls Royce. He never owned a Rolls Royce. A legal foundation received and owned those Rolls Royces, as gifts from disciples. Osho enjoys driving Rolls Royces and says he is the “guru for the rich,” so the Rolls Royces make sense, completely consistent with being a guru for the rich. Osho does not favor poverty, like Jesus “blessed are the poor” Christ did.

  475. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:16 am #

    But practicing renunciation is what a sanyassin does.
    Julian, learn to spell it right: sannyasin.
    Thank you for the question. Osho’s sannyas is not traditional sannyas. Osho says: “The sannyas movement is not mine. It is not yours. It was here when I was not here. It will be here when I will not be here. The sannyas movement simply means the movement of the seekers of truth. They have always been here.”
    If you are such a seeker, you can now go ahead and complete the process of confirming for yourself that you are indeed a sannyasin – without anyone else’s assistance.

  476. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:18 am #

    “Osho never “purchased” a Rolls Royce. He never owned a Rolls Royce.”
    Of course he was clever that way. He only was driven around in them, did “darshans” in them, and collected them.
    The insider said that Rajneesh/Osho preferred to go to town to restaurants rather than hang around with his stupid disciples. Thus the drive down the long driveway did double-duty as getaway and building his “saint” nimbus as the gullible gathered for it.

  477. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:22 am #

    “Julian, learn to spell it right: sannyasin.”
    The word has been spelled in several ways. So you’re down to typo-kvetching typos now? Then converse with Mr. Carol Newquist from now rather than me. You bore me too much to continue as of now. Also is no such thing as a “neo-sannyasin” in the first case so don’t fuss to me about “conventions” and “rules” please. It’s a bit asinine for a Rajneeshee to be crying about traditions or rules being breached.

  478. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:26 am #

    Just relaxing…

    ” One follower, Learjet Heiress Pat Lear, was so infatuated with his charisma and philosophical poetry she made an agreement to publish a small book containing quotations from the guru. After she was finished, when they came to disagreement, the Bhagwan withdrew his consent and filed suit against Ms. Lear to prevent publication. Ms. Lear concluded he was villain and not saint and sued back for her loss of expected profits and other claims. I was the attorney she chose.
    The Bhagwan’s attorney was former top Los Angeles defense lawyer, Philip J. Toelkes, now going by an Indian name, Swami Prem Niren , who was always, without success, trying to convince me that Rajneeshpuram was not like Synanon, Jonestown, Spahn Ranch, Center for Feeling Therapy or other bad movements I had litigated against; that the Bhagwan was a true religious humanitarian.
    When I noticed the Bhagwan’s deposition in Oregon, Niren informed me that I must take several special showers, wear a robe, bow and question from a kneeling position. I told him I would not shower for several weeks and show up in sweat clothes having just come from the gym and a two-mile run. And I expected Bhagwan to shake my hand.
    “He may be God to you,” I said, “but he is not to me.”
    The Bhagwan actually made a motion to try enforce his rules and it was hard not to laugh in court. The motion was denied.
    But later there was no humor when I warned authorities in Oregon that based on upon personal telephone conversations with, television observations and press releases of, Ma Anand Sheela, the power behind the throne, the Rajneesh were completely paranoid and the group’s “we vs. they” mentality now supported the use of violence which was inevitable. To this date, I don’t know if I was believed. They asked what proof I had and all I could say the only evidence I had was “experience.” I knew cults. I also felt I knew evil.
    Two weeks later the plot to murder members of the population of surrounding Oregon citizens became public ending the Bhagwan’s reign, as well as the murder plots against several attorneys. Like the People’s Temple, the Synanon snake in my mailbox and later a Japanese cult, poison was the weapon of choice.
    Many historians, although mistaken (see very end), call it the first act of mass bio terrorism in the history of the United States, 16 years before letters delivered death following 9/11.

  479. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:31 am #

    Notice how the Rajneesh/Osho abomination was created by women and his inner circle was all female:

    ” He called himself Acharya Rajneesh from the 1960s onwards and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh during the 1970s and 1980s. In the 60’s Bhagwan warned, as did Jim Jones, eventually, that “the third and last war is now on the way” and frequently spoke of the need to create a “new humanity” as did most cult leaders of those times.
    His rise to fame and power came at the use of two wealthy women. His secretary and his first disciple took the name Ma Yoga Laxmi and used her wealth to build his empire.
    In 1970, Bhagwan lectured and received visitors, including Westerners, and became teacher to sannyasins. In 1971, he changed his name again, this time to “Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh”. Bhagwan means “blessed one.” His criticism of socialism, Mahatma Gandhi and institutionalized religion such as Hindu, along with a penchant for material things, made him controversial as well as did his press designation as the “sex guru.” He said socialism socialized poverty and Gandhi worshiped poverty.
    In 1974 the second wealthy woman, Catherine Venizelos (Ma Yoga Mukta), a Greek shipping heiress, aided the purchase of property in Koregaon Park, Pune. The ashram, which had an arts/crafts center producing for sale clothes, jewelry, ceramics and organic cosmetics, attracted the West during its New Era religion craze. In 1975, Human Potential Movement therapists added meditations and therapy encounter groups to the ashram which Westerners paid for despite criticism of physical aggression as well as sexual encounters as had already existed in the 70’s in Chuck Dederich’s Synanon, Jime Jone’s People’s Temple and Richard Corriere’s Center For Feeling Therapy and in the 60’s in Charlie Manson’s Family.

  480. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:31 am #

    Julian, I am noticing you are a bit obsessed with sex and refer to Osho’s sannyasins as “sexers.” The truth is people went through a cathartic stage with lots of sex up to 1982. When the commune moved to the USA they were mostly too tired from working on the ranch for any sex. Then in March 1984 Osho is the first person to recommend AIDS precautions: celibacy, monogamy, or use condoms. He advises testing, and treatment for people HIV positive, and warns about the spread of AIDS worldwide. There was not a lot of sex after 1982, though there is nothing wrong with sex. Sexual energy is our basic energy. Osho writes about it in the book From Sex to Superconsciousness. The Osho approach to sex begins with an understanding of how important love is in our lives, while at the same time acknowledges that the journey into love cannot exclude our innate biological energies. With this perspective, it becomes clear that the tendency for religions, and for society in general, to associate sex with sin and morality has been a great misfortune.
    Still, for a Brahmacharya, you are focused a lot on sex! Just like Osho says happens with celibates.

  481. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:35 am #

    “Julian, I am noticing you are a bit obsessed with sex and refer to Osho’s sannyasins as “sexers.”
    All Osho-Rajneeshees were obsessed with sex. Sex was the main attraction for the men who came to Rajneeshpuram. They worked for free because the place was like a free whorehouse. I also noticed that old Rajneeshees many years later had the same orientation.
    “Still, for a Brahmachary[i], you are focused a lot on sex!
    Typical Jewish arguing trick. “Tricks are for kids.” Sex and the moral rules around it are central to life. There is nothing more important for a people than morality. Rajnenesh (and you) were focused on getting wealthy through the people’s moral corruption. I am focused a lot on the people’s moral protection. There are not too many of us exactly running amok on the landscape, while fans of the Pimp of Antelope as well as young men addicted to porn without a word of guidance — are legion. None of the guidance they need will come from your pimp-guru.

  482. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:36 am #

    Yes, Osho is a feminist and favors the liberation of women from men’s oppression.

    My own vision is that the coming age will be the age of the woman. Man has tried for five thousand years and has failed. Now a chance has to be given to the woman. Now she should be given the reins of all the powers. She should be given an opportunity to bring her feminine energies to function, to work. Man has utterly failed. In three thousand years, five thousand wars; this is man’s record.

  483. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:38 am #

    Osho Ashram Yoga

    ” Richard Price, co-founder of the Esalen institute, which existed to exalt the new age touchy-feely groups, alleged to have exited the Pune ashram with a broken arm following a period of eight hours locked in a room with participants armed with wooden weapons.
    Like Werner Erhard before him, Bhagwan could adjust to criticism. In 1979, he admitted the violence and announced it had ended having “fulfilled its function” in evolving a spiritual commune. But there were other concerns, stories that Western sannyasins raised money through prostitution and drug-running with Bhagwan approval.
    By 1981 it has been claimed Bhagwan hosted 30,000 visitors per year, aided by an attraction, some said, to his use of ethnic or dirty jokes ala some washed up Las Vegas comedian.

  484. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:39 am #

    Typical Jewish arguing trick.
    Julian, logic is logic. Argument is argument. What do you mean by “Jewish arguing”? Is that yet another antisemitic comment?

  485. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:42 am #

    “Yes, Osho is a feminist and favors the liberation of women from men’s oppression.”
    Which proves he was an ignorant degenerate appealing to ignorant degenerates.
    Women used to be assisted and supported by their men. Osho only favored their dispossession from the things a woman really wants: The love of one man, and children. Traditional religion gives this to Woman; Osho robbed women of it. They were cheapened by giving away sex and got nothing for it. It was an Osho-lie and an Osho ripoff. They even lost their children. And life only gives a woman a few chances at children.
    It’s perfect symmetry to see such a dishonest and corrupt person with an entirely female administration. Women are not empowered by prostitution, but in her ignorance she often believes she will be. Osho catered to that ignorance.

  486. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:44 am #

    You sure are focused on the past. Do you know anything about the Osho Ashram Yoga of today? Have you ever stepped foot inside the Osho Ashram? I suppose I could post reams of material about the Inquisition and torture and burning people alive to condemn the Christian Church, but would it be relevant to today’s Christianity? Institutions change and evolve. You seem wedded to the past, Mr. Brahmacharyi.

  487. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:48 am #

    The Osho Women’s Liberation groups are still happening today. OSHO created this group in which he gives women the possibility to live their strength and power without giving up the beauty, ability to love and the grace of being a woman.
    In the past the woman’s strength and power used to be tied to a man: her father, husband or son. Becoming free of this old domination doesn’t happen by becoming like men, it happens by finding the hidden male energy inside and bringing it together with the female qualities.
    In the last 100 years women have made incredible progress: from not being allowed to own property, to have an education or to say what she wanted to now being able to be in the highest positions in business, science and politics. However, to most of us it sometimes feels as if again and again we are being put before a painful choice: to either be strong, respected, powerful and able to take our own decisions or to relax, enjoy relationships, enjoy being open, receptive and feminine. One side makes us feel strong and independent, but often we pay the price of becoming cold, hard, lonely and losing the touch with feeling ourselves and others. The other side gives us the ability to feel deeply, to relate and melt and to receive love, but if it is there alone, it can make us feel heavy, over-emotional, needy, dependent and not able to move, do something or take decisions.
    In Women’s Liberation you discover that you can have the best of both sides together. In this group you will get a deep experience and understanding of your male side, liberating its qualities and strengths. You will get deeply in touch with your female side. Together all of us women are creating a strong loving and caring atmosphere to heal the wounds of the female and awaken her true ability to love, to nurture and to be nurtured. This brings a deep balance and harmony to you, uniting the male and female qualities within. You feel complete and able to live and express the strength and beauty of your own nature.

  488. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:50 am #

    “Julian, logic is logic. Argument is argument.
    No, it was a devious arguing trick. To say that a preacher of morality in a porn age, or a teacher of meditation pointing to the importance and difficulty of brahmacharya — is “focused on sex” is devious trick. It’s in the devious adolescent category like the artist who deliberately creates a subtle phallic symbol or sexually suggestive image, then when somebody complains about it or points it out saying “Oh, you have a dirty mind.” It’s Jewey bullshit. Enough with you.

  489. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:55 am #

    There is nothing more important for a people than morality.
    Unless awareness arises in you, all your morality is bogus, all your culture is simply a thin layer which can be destroyed by anybody. But once your morality has come out of your awareness, not out of a certain discipline, then it is a totally different matter. Then you will respond in every situation out of your awareness. And whatever you do will be good.
    Awareness cannot do anything that is bad. That is the ultimate beauty of awareness, that anything that comes out of it is simply beautiful, is simply right, and without any effort and without any practice. So rather than cutting the leaves and the branches, cut the root. And to cut the root there is no other method than a single method: the method of being alert, of being aware, of being conscious. — Osho

  490. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 3:56 am #

    ” Bhagwan lived in a trailer next to a covered swimming pool with other trimmings of the good life. Daily he drove past his followers lined up on the road in one of his many Rolls-Royces. As did Synanon, he had a fleet of vehicles, eventually 93.
    But as Bahgwan never sought outside medical attention the Immigration and Naturalization Service ultimately would conclude that he had lied with a preconceived intent to remain there.
    In November 1981 the former atheist applied for residence as a religious worker, which was refused on the grounds that he could not lead a religion while unwell and in silence, a ridiculous position that was later overturned and left to stay status as a religious leader was granted three years later, in 1984.
    Significantly, Bhagwan gave Ma Anand Sheela power of attorney in 1982. In 1983 Sheela announced that Bhagwan would henceforth speak only with her. From this unholy alliance were the roots of eventual terrorism. She then ran the ashram backed by loyal women called moms.
    Bhagwan continued his prediction that the world might destroy itself by nuclear war or other disasters sometime in the 1990s which he said required the quick building of the Oregon commune. In March 1984 Sheela announced that Bhagwan had predicted the death of two-thirds of humanity from AIDS. Sannyasins were required to wear rubber gloves and condoms if they had sex…

    Banal, sleazy. Nothing divine about Rajneesh-Osho.

  491. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 3:57 am #

    No, it was a devious arguing trick.
    So “Jewish argument” is devious argument. Jews are devious? Confirmation of your antisemitism. And Jesus is a Jew! And one of your satgurus is a Jew. Bad karma.

  492. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 4:01 am #

    Banal, sleazy. Nothing divine about Rajneesh-Osho.
    Once again, he never claimed divinity or deity status. He said he was an ordinary human being. You even seem to agree with Osho on that point. Same goes for Gautama the Buddha. He was not a god.

  493. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 4:02 am #

    “In October of 1985 Bhagwan and some sannyasins were arrested while aboard a rented jet on a North Carolina airstrip waiting for takeoff to Bermuda to escape Rajneeshpuram and prosecution. They had aboard $58,000 cash, 35 watches and over a million in jewelry.

  494. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 4:10 am #

    Osho was arrested without warrants, by federal and local officials in Charlotte, North Carolina.
    They had no legal way to destroy the commune in America; they did everything illegal, everything criminal, everything against their own constitution, and destroyed a beautiful commune — an oasis in the desert which could have proved a model for the future humanity. –Osho

  495. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 4:10 am #

    ” Sometimes Ma Anand Sheela, who called herself the Queen and met everyday with Bhagwan, spoke directly with me during litigation by telephone…
    …Now in 1984 Sheela brought in 2,000 transients, all voter eligible, to Rajneeshpuram proclaiming it was to aid the homeless. After a judge ordered registration hearings the majority of the transients left ending Sheela’s plan.
    …Eventually NBC asked Sheela about Bhagwan racial slurs and she responded defining the holocaust as “five hundred jews in the ashtray.”

  496. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 4:15 am #

    These crimes by Sheela were exposed by Osho himself and it was Osho who invited the FBI to investigate them in his own commune.
    The Oregonian video you linked to is good on showing how Osho cooperated with law enforcement.

  497. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 4:16 am #

    Osho-Rajneesh cries:
    “they did everything illegal, everything criminal, everything against their own constitution, and destroyed a beautiful commune…”
    “Oh, woah, boo hoo. Poor me! Woe is me!” Hardly the mark of a sage.
    Notice how uncomplaining was the satguru of the White European peoples, Jesus Christ, how little he complained about his fate. He even stood before Pilate, who He could could asked for help and who invited Him to ask — and was silent. Of course, it’s asinine to mention the Pimp of Antelope in the same paragraph as the fiery Celtic siddha-guru of the White Europeans.
    “…which could have proved a model for the future humanity. –Osho
    A future for humanity? Where all the moral rules that give humanity order and prosperity are destroyed? Where the very progeny of those people are destroyed in the womb with abortion? Please.

  498. Julian C. Lee April 19, 2013 at 4:18 am #

    “These crimes by Sheela were exposed by Osho himself and it was Osho who invited the FBI to investigate them in his own commune.”
    He made those pronouncements about her only after she fled for Europe to cover his ass and shift all blame to her. She followed his orders. Investigators who listened to the wiretaps said that Osho was guilty of far more than what he was ever charged with, and that he approved of poisoning.

  499. adequatio April 19, 2013 at 4:18 am #

    Hardly the mark of a sage.
    Once again, Osho said he is an ordinary human being. You even seem to agree with Osho that he is not extraordinary. Unless it is convenient for you to paint him as a “sage” or “guru” or some such nonsense.