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All Hillary had to do last week was show up and stand at a podium for ninety minutes without swooning while Donald Trump barked and grunted his way through the half-assed press conference we like to call a “debate.” It was all I could do to keep watching the nauseating spectacle. It made you want to reach out and whap your TV upside its head, or maybe just shoot the fucker, like Elvis used to do.

The torment of who or what to vote for has become unbearable. I’d considered casting mine for Johnson / Weld, until Gary Johnson demonstrated that the front end of his brain is missing. Aleppo? Wasn’t he one of the Marx Brothers? I sense that Jill Stein of the Green Party is more Social Justice Warrior than EcoWarrior, and the last thing I want is for the rest of America to become one big college campus rife with trigger warnings and micro-aggression persecutions. Vote for Trump? Not if you chained me to the back bumper of a Toyota Landcruiser and dragged me over six miles of broken light bulbs. Hillary? Make that nine miles, and throw down some carpet tacks.

But wait a minute…! Here’s something to consider: a proposition put out by David McAlvany on his podcast last week: To Understand Election 2016 You Have to See 2020. (The new podcast is posted on Wednesdays, so to listen after Oct 5 you’ll have to click back a week.) The idea is that the winner of the presidential election is sure to be the biggest loser because the global economy is in the process of tanking, Long Emergency style, and the global finance system is going down with it. Whoever presides over this fiasco from the White House is going to be a bigger bag-holder than old Herbert Hoover in 1929.

The salutary part of the story is that such an epochal crack-up will sweep the establishment out of power. In the present case, this means discrediting the crony-capitalist, revolving-door grifters of the Wall Street / Washington axis, plus the neo-con military empire-builders bent on starting World War Three for profit, plus the economic central planners of the Federal Reserve whose desperate meddlings have nearly destroyed the necessary operations and meaning of money. And the cherries on top to get thrown out with the rest of this giant shit sundae would be the campus cultural Maoists. In short, vote for Hillary and let history flush them all out of the system.

A vote for Trump would let the aforesaid villains and bunglers off the hook because supposedly Trump represents free market business interests, and if he got elected they would be blamed for the economic and financial cataclysm which has been in motion for going on for two decades — and has accelerated mightily under the genial Obama. Whatever else you might say about free markets, had they been allowed to operate naturally, a lot of dead wood might have been cleared out of the financial forest by allowing failing institutions and companies to crash and burn. Instead, they were artificially propped up and hosed down with bailouts and other accounting frauds at all costs. The cost turns out to be the coherent workings of markets.

There can be little question that Hillary represents so much that has gone wrong in American public life under the Baby Boomer regime. The fact that she will be the oldest president ever at inauguration itself says a lot about the limitless cupidity of the Boomer political gen. They just don’t know when to stop. It’s history’s job to stop them now, nature’s way, by seating them at the banquet of consequences for all their poisonous cookery and quackery.

Watching these lamebrain debates, you get the impression that the folks running things, including media stars like the debate moderators, lack the slightest clue about the gathering economic storm. They are too busy reading the false weather reports posted by the Fed and the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. Both Hillary and Trump seem to believe that we can winkle our way back to a 1962-style economy if we click our ruby slippers three times. That is not going to happen.

There are too many people on-board the planet and too few resources to keep them all going. It’s hard to say whether we might have managed the necessary contraction, say, starting back in the 1970s when the writing was on the wall and a truly honest president (one Jimmy Carter) spelled it out in plain English. We blew it, electing Ronald Reagan to enable the final feeding frenzy of the techno-industrial age.

Now it’s up to natural forces — and their galloping horsemen — to get the job done. So let us by all means throw our votes behind Hillary and let her rip so we can move on from there sooner rather than later and find new ways to remain civilized in the coming disposition of things.

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724 Responses to “Sizing Up the Endgame”

  1. Sunflower October 3, 2016 at 9:23 am #

    Wow, and I get to live through all this. Why couldn’t I have been born earlier in the 20th century?

    • Cold N. Holefield October 3, 2016 at 10:06 am #

      Great weekly missive as always, Jim. Without an effectively educated & informed Polity, nothing can change for the better in America. Too few these days are capable of thinking critically, objectively, independently and impartially. In otherwords, too few people can really think for themselves. Most people just don’t how to think at all.

      As well one can correctly assert that this System is performing as designed, so therefore, reform is a ludicrous notion. You can’t & don’t reform that which is doing what it’s intended to do.

      This morning I was flipping channels while drinking my coffee and both CNN and Fox News were running as their headline the story about Kim Kardashian West being robbed in Paris of nearly $10 million worth of jewelry. Kanye West had to interrupt his concert in New York because of this family emergency. Yes, this was headline news from two News Networks who’s charge should be to objectively, impartially and critically inform the Polity. Instead, they’re tantamount to Tabloid Trash.

      Here’s my latest blog post. It speaks to what I mentioned above — the System, as it’s currently constructed & operating, is by design and therefore cannot be reformed, but instead must be replaced. Fat chance of that happening without a tremendous gnashing of teeth from toothless mouths.

      To The Highest Bidder

      • cornpone2014 October 3, 2016 at 10:37 am #

        “Eliminate the White race thru mixing with savages.”

        That’s so close to the truth I can’t believe you said it.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

          But only he gets to say it. If anyone else says it, he starts in with the “racist scumbag” talk just like any other Liberal or Court Conservative.

          He wants to be a Prophet, but he’s late to the game. People have been warning about this for generations.

      • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

        Little by little, and crumb by crumb, you are all nibbling around the, “Kill The Billionaires or Billions Will Be Killed,” sandwich I invented some time ago. It’s a sandwich to be cut up into hors d’oeuvres and cut with a VERY SHARP KNIFE!

        It is impossible to overhaul The System without cutting off, masticating, and extracting nutrition from the Billionaires who live by, and defend, The System.

        • mastman23 October 3, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

          Good grief man are you supporting the Hildabeast version of political and national suicide proposed by Jim letting her hold the bag? I think I would rather face the coming doom and gloom with the Trumpateer at the Helm.

          I do think we would all be in a better position to defend ourselves without the gun grabbing UN lackey in control

          • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

            NO!!!! Mastman, you misunderstand.

            ZOG Amerika is suffering from a plague that transcends the starring puppets of this bogus POTUS race! Apparently, you don’t know the grand metaphor that I developed to describe our national situation.

            The ZOG-NATO super elites can be analogized as the keystone of a classic archway. From the keystone hangs a chain of sovereign billionaires and elite executors down to the chandelier i.e. the NWO matrix that we all live in.

            The blocks of the arch and side pillars are the global power centers that answer hierarchically to the Top 100 billionaires in the keystone and exist apart from the NWO chandelier. Destroy the KEYSTONE and it ALL comes crashing down!

            Hillary is near the top of the chandelier but, she’s not one of the chain links that ties the chandelier to the keystone. Trump is not as high up but, has more connections with the working parts of the chandelier.

            The global Billionaire Class is a malignant cancer that must be gotten rid of; by any means and at any cost. They are the financial and political equivalent of Black Holes. Their gravity wells of power are intense and growing, thus drawing the world’s energies and resources into their rapacious maws.

            Kill all the billionaires and their enablers and the madness will be broken. The Light of Sanity can come out of hiding and the world order can be restored to the last known good configuration i.e early 19th century borders and concomitant racial / population distribution.

            As you can see, this goes FAR beyond Trump vs The Harpy. We stand a better chance with Trump and a recalcitrant Democrat Congress than The Harpy under ANY circumstances!

          • boydconklin October 4, 2016 at 10:10 am #

            Jim, sure remove all perks of success, how ridiculous. As ridiculous as the premise of the “Sizing up the endgame” logics. Vote Trump, he has attacked the fed, globalists, war mongers, open borders, special snowflakes, cop killers, wall street and hedge funds, stop the financial collapse in it’s tracks. So you have given up on anything being able to be done about the current state of the union, put your tail between your legs and go whimper in the corner.

          • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm #

            Mr. boyd,

            Your response is typical neocon apologizing for unearned wealth. In your mind, you have a successful upper-middle class businessman who made many good decisions and investments. The mythical American success story.

            I am talking about a class that you have NO knowledge of by reason of your trite comment. The billionaires are light years beyond the average successful businessman that you might know of. The billionaires are financial cancers and political black holes in the world. They are PARASITES and what they have is NOT from the petty perks of success that you might be familiar with.

            Go back and wrap your lips around Rockefeller’s unit and tell him how wonderful he and his ilk are.

          • outsider October 6, 2016 at 8:54 am #

            I’m late reading Mr. Kunstler’s post this week. So maybe no one is still viewing comments anyway. Nonetheless, out of vanity, here’s my two cents. Mr K ends by saying that voting for Hillary is a good idea because it will bring down our crumbling system faster. Perhaps, if you are fine with World War 3. That would certainly shrink the excess population.

            But Frau Clinton, if she lives long enough (a big IF), can’t wait to start flinging bombs at Vlad Putin. Doesn’t she understand that Vlad will fling them back? Even if her desired war with big bad Russia, doesn’t go nuclear (another big IF), it will be the end of the White Race, which was irreparably damaged by two insane world wars.

            So, if you want the White Race to survive, vote Trump. Flawed and compromised as he is, he might be the last hope for Western Civilization before the know nothing SJW’s finally burn it to the ground.

      • Doreen October 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm #

        A conscious vote for Hillary will also mark a person responsible for all that ensues under her. An esoteric undertaking which we can not even begin to see the ramifications of. This doesn’t sound wise or insightful. And, it reminds one of the so called devil coaxing ever so reasonably and intelligently for more debauchery and malice in a person. So perhaps this is not the answer either.

        I also humbly differ on your accounting as to why we shouldn’t throw in with Jill Stein, based from your notion of her smacking like college campus days of protests and so on. All good things start from grass roots that grow into greater tangible power. So why dismiss it with such a stuffy academicians arrogant manner? Yes, this all must come down and it will in it’s appropriate time. A vote for Jill will at least count for something real and deep within the heart of all things, building an inner force which will follow the fall. As they say all things not only come from grass root beginnings, but always first out from “consciousness.”

        And if consciousness comes first, let’s start to change it now by how we live, think and feel! What do we want to change it to? More of the same greed, selfishness, capitalism, etc., for me and mine? This brings down time and again civilizations. Nature, evolution, wants something grander from us: equality, brotherhood among all peoples, simplicity, love, peace, compassion for those that don’t understand this, and help for them to understand.

        Out of all the candidates who is actually doing all of this as we write? That’s correct, Jill Stein.

        • Danny jr2 October 5, 2016 at 9:57 pm #

          I’m with you,bud. Jill is my girl. The only sane person running.

          • outsider October 6, 2016 at 8:59 am #

            One has to be insane to run for president, Danny. Stein, with free stuff for all, is no different.

      • messianicdruid October 3, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

        “It is no longer industrializing and it’s been settled from sea to shining sea.”

        Ready to become a land of small farms, ranches, villages ( where the villains live ), blacksmiths, silversmiths, coopers, cartwrights, stable operators, butchers, grocers, lumberjacks, vagabonds, code writers, hay makers, mediators, pigsplitters, and chicken chasers. Steady state stuff.

      • S M Tenneshaw October 3, 2016 at 10:30 pm #

        Damn, Kim’s azz is fine! But if you prefer blondes, be sure to tune in to one of the teebee’s many JonBenet Ramsey regurges.

        • Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 9:28 am #

          Not funny, Freak. Your comment is repugnant. She was tortured & raped before she was murdered, and yes, The Media has turned her horrible death into a spectacle to be exploited for ratings & revenue, but your comment only adds further insult to that injury, not to mention it’s a Dog Whistle for Child Rapists. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are in the employ of The National Security State. If you are, your comment is perfectly fitting of the mentality of the people in its employ. What most people fail to realize is, those who have no compunction about dropping bombs on innocent men, women and especially children also have no compunction about raping children. They’re “hard-hearted empaths” that do what they must do. Just ask The Colonel, he’ll tell you. If he orders his Special Ops Goons to rape & murder a child or a village of them, that’s what they’ll do. It’s the Colonel Kurtz Doctrine. Such non-humans have no business existing in this realm or any realm. They are a mistake that should be rectified.

          • S M Tenneshaw October 4, 2016 at 4:27 pm #

            Ease up on the caffeine, guy. We’re in agreement about the media. I wasn’t expressing any tolerance whatsoever for whoever committed that loathsome crime, but my absolute disgust for the media which made a 24×7 circus out of a horrific tragedy. I stopped watching TV partly on account of that sorry spectacle.

            As for my spy agecny connections, I’m juist a semi-retired COBOL programmer.

          • Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 7:57 am #

            Okay, sorry for jumping the gun. Thanks for elaborating & clarifying. I don’t think it’s the caffeine, though. More likely it’s the millions of cell phone tower communications traveling through my neural network all day every day. We’re shrouded in, and I’d say drowning in, a tsunami of ubiquitous electronic communications. It’s bound to have an effect on our nervous systems and neural networks.

          • Elrond Hubbard October 5, 2016 at 12:10 pm #

            S M Tenneshaw: “I’m juist a semi-retired COBOL programmer.”

            No, you can’t retire. Our entire financial system rests on a foundation of COBOL written in the 1960s that only people in their sixties and up understand any longer. It’s never going to be maintained properly by today’s crop of twentysomethings who only learned enough Ruby on Rails so they could become billionaires writing games for their smartphones. Without COBOL programmers, we’re doomed. DOOMED!

          • S M Tenneshaw October 5, 2016 at 8:12 pm #

            No problem, Cold. I can now see how my comment could be misinterpreted.

            As for cell phone use, I gave that up as well. So maybe New Luddism is an idea whose time has come.

          • S M Tenneshaw October 5, 2016 at 8:18 pm #

            Welll, Elrond, I’ll keep on keepin’ on as long as my tired old hips hold out.

            Not to worry, though. Our Hindu replacements will hold down the fort – as soon as they learn how to talk. Every phone convo with tech support nowadays is a real-life American Horror Story episode: Tales of the Unintelligible.

    • Horzabky October 3, 2016 at 12:46 pm #

      Because you would have had to go Vietnam in 1965, or Normandy in June 1944… and you would have missed the Pill in the 1970s, which sharply reduced the number of unwanted pregnancies, when Aids was still unknown.

      We Baby-Boomers had everything. Now we’ll have to face rough times. But I prefer to be 60 years old in 2016, rather than 20 years old in 1941, if you see what I mean…

      • islander800 October 3, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

        I think the luckiest of all were us Canadian Boomers.

        We avoided SIX years of WW II conflict that our fathers endured (Canada entered the fight in September 1939 along with Great Britain), escaped the horrors of Viet Nam during my late teens/early twenties (likely would have been drafted if I lived in the States), yet we got to benefit from the entire “Golden Years” era of the Fifties and Sixties like America, since the Canadian and American economies and cultures were so similar.

        I believe that we were the Luckiest Generation. Our fathers’ really was the Greatest Generation. But boy, did we screw up and now payment’s come due..

        • outsider October 6, 2016 at 9:21 am #

          islander – I’m a boomer also, and am disgusted by what evil we did. But our fathers’ were not the Greatest Generation. If they were so great, they could have found a way to avoid World War 2 rather that participate in the murder of 60 million.

    • babbat October 3, 2016 at 6:56 pm #

      Why not eat McDonalds so that you feel sick and throw up? Hillary Clinton represents McDonalds . Why eat shit? Donald Trump represents some unknown brand that could feasibly be Burger king or Wendy’s but when it comes to health the slightly better alternative is better. Hillary follows the globalist agenda to a goosestep , the globalists have hijacked liberalism and are using left wing values to sell off what remains of our countries to whoever or whatever benefits their pockets. If that means GMO wasteland so be it . one of Hillary’s biggest sponsors is Monsanto . Lets face it shes paving the way for Fascist corporate state. The early stages of 1984 by Orwell. In my mind anything that hinders this progress at all should be supported

      • InquiringMind October 3, 2016 at 10:18 pm #

        Yes babbat,

        I have heard all you’ve been describing here comes in these two “flavors”

        Neoconservative and NeoLiberalism…

      • sharonsj October 9, 2016 at 12:02 pm #

        Trump and his nutcase cronies want to do away with the FDA, the EPA and all regulations governing businesses. Are you sure you want to eat anything he’s had a hand in?

  2. JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 9:27 am #

    There may still be hope.

    Trump can easily be corralled since he doesn’t have a vast political crime syndicate like Hillary Rodan. If We Teh Sheep elect a solid Democrat Congress to keep Trump in check, then the Matrix will be clogged up like sink trap full of orange hair.

    Yes, America will resemble a plugged up kitchen sink full of disgusting stuff and we keep adding dirty dishes to it. Soap and fresh water is RACIST so, forget about cleaning anything!

    But, at least that Trump / Democrat Congress plug in the trap will be the only thing keeping us from going down the drain!

    • noel bodie October 3, 2016 at 11:46 am #

      Jill Stein? It would take her years to find the levers of power let alone learning how to make them work.

      • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

        It’s not enough for Jill Stein to say the right things. She has to represent a powerful enough political syndicate in order to make the Matrix respond to her. She can easily be paralyzed and kept under control by TPTB.

        Hillary is full of criminal energy and even TPTB fear the syndicate behind her.

        That leaves Trump with his large organic mass following, which gives him some credibility. But, because he doesn’t have the vast crime syndicate like unto The Harpy, The Donald can be contained somewhat but not paralyzed.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

        She was talking about giving a foul mouthed rapper named Immortal Technique a place in her cabinet. A school girl crush it seems.

        • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 6:10 pm #

          OMG, now I KNOW beyond all doubt that Jill Stein is nothing more than a bored upper middle-class Jewish Amerikan Princess. She and Gary Johnson are just useless chatterboxes and have nothing beyond sound bites and dog whistles.

          She scarcely hides a secret fetish to go out mudsharking by suggesting such a stupid appointment. That alone automatically disqualifies her for any office above that of a Wal-Mart assistant manager.

          • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 10:59 am #

            Immortal Technique’s lyrics are 100% correct and contains the fire that Whites are forbidden to use.

            It won’t take long before the White Goy adopt his lyrics because their struggle for survival will be the same as those niggas IT raps about.

            I actually listen to Louis Farrakhan’s speeches! If only Whites would have the courage to speak like him! We used to but, JEWS and their lackeys made it illegal for Whites to speak so plainly.

            For that matter, if TRUMP would stop with the equivocation, allusions, pandering, and indirect referencing. If only the White Goy would employ the same fiery rhetoric and aim it at the same enemy that plagues both Black and White America.

  3. Rodster October 3, 2016 at 9:32 am #

    The debates including the entire political process in electing the President has turned into one giant “Game Show”,. Reality TV at it’s finest.

    • Neon Vincent October 3, 2016 at 9:47 am #

      If you want to make the debates more entertaining, play a drinking game while watching. I have one for the Vice Presidential Debate and themed drinks to go with it.

      As for our host, I see he “considered casting [his vote] for Johnson / Weld, until Gary Johnson demonstrated that the front end of his brain is missing. Aleppo? Wasn’t he one of the Marx Brothers?” He wasn’t alone in his consternation, as Johnson earned endorsements from the Chicago Tribune and Detroit News while simultaneously having Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, Bill Maher, and Sarah Silverman laugh at him. Johnson has enough visibility and name recognition that he’s worth making fun of. That’s what success for a minor party candidate looks like.?

      • SteveO October 3, 2016 at 10:24 am #

        Then when he had a chance to redeem himself, Johnson couldn’t name a single leader of another country that he admired. He didn’t even have a list of names that he could go down and say I don’t like (name a leader) because (reason).

        Too many drugs out there. Trump was high on coke for the debate, Johnson seems to be high on pot all the time.

        We are totally screwed.

        • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 1:22 pm #

          Gary Johnson is a smug-faced twit who is full of neocon talk show buzzwords. He also comes across as a crackpot who reads Hal Lindsay’s books in secret.

          Johnson’s libertarian libertinism is Jewdeo-Xtian Republican Jesus after toking 20 grams of weed.

        • chuckyzfr1 October 5, 2016 at 11:41 pm #

          Like many others who’ve been contemplating a vote for the Libertarian ticket, I definitely winced at Johnson’s gaffes regarding Aleppo and world leaders….but I’m tempering my disappointment about these things with the notion that Libertarians in general seek to avoid jumping in the middle of every foreign quagmire that comes along, and as such they’re less interested in the goings on in places like Syria than they are in places like Buffalo, NY and Roanoke, VA. And despite his shortcomings, let’s face it; Gary Johnson is light years better (or at least less repugnant) than either of the big ticket freak shows.

        • outsider October 6, 2016 at 9:30 am #

          SteveO – But non-libertarian Weld didn’t hesitate. He named Merkel, the destroyer of Europe. That alone makes that fake libertarian ticket repugnant and unworthy of a vote.

  4. peakfuture October 3, 2016 at 9:33 am #

    My description of the debate: “intellectual NASCAR”…


    Agreed, the next person who is elected president might be the one left holding the bag, but we’ve all thought that before!

    For sure, the longer the drinking/carousing/excess/obliviousness in the financial markets continue, the harder the crash.

  5. hmuller October 3, 2016 at 9:36 am #

    Just keep reminding yourself: these are the two best qualified people in America to become President. Do you suppose the space aliens are laughing at all this?.

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    • venuspluto67 October 3, 2016 at 10:18 am #

      There are those such as David Icke who would have us believe that the space aliens are directly controlling all our major-party candidates!

      • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 10:23 am #

        I am more concerned about the illegal aliens.

        • SteveO October 3, 2016 at 11:26 am #

          What about illegal space aliens?

      • seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 10:48 am #

        If you read ancient Sumerian tablets it says when the Gods left, they interacted only with royalty. Kings and Queens. So it’s not as far fetched as it sounds. And the one thing that we know for sure, is that the aliens absolutely love us killing each other in droves. War is the prime directive of the state. The only question is why? And answering that is chilling.

        • HollywoodGuy October 3, 2016 at 12:42 pm #

          Which tablets do you mean?

          • seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 11:06 pm #

            The Earth Chronicles

        • HollywoodGuy October 4, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

          Sitchin? You can’t be serious.

          • seawolf77 October 5, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

            What were you expecting the Bible? That’s hilarious.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm #

            I heard on Coast to Coast that Stichin had an office at Rockefeller Plaza – which is very suspicious.

    • jellyroll October 3, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      Dear Scotty,

      You must be so tired of hearing this. It’s been written a gazillion times, is on half as many t-shirts. It must make you crazy when we ask again and again after being confronted with endless moments of cultural insanity.

      But this time, I’m desperate and I REALLY mean it.

      Please help me, Scotty, PLEASE.

      Beam me up.

      • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

        Captain, the transporter is out.

        All the stuff that could be repaired on the old Enterprise was replaced by non-repairable junk from China. The latest Windows 10 upgrade has crashed. The password has expired and won’t let us reboot. Hardly anybody remembers how to fly the old Shuttlecraft.

        [dramatic and gloomy music] Scotty, you’re fired.

        [Scotty] Sorry Captain. You can’t fire me. Starfleet was privatized and I work for Halliburton now. They pay me and I’ll just take the Shuttlecraft myself and go home!

  6. m111ark October 3, 2016 at 9:38 am #

    Would that it were so…

    but these oligarchs are not stupid, they’ve seen this thing coming for at least 30 years; doncha think they’ve made provisions!!!

    The hildabeast is their man, she’ll get in by hook or by crook(more likely). Trump WILL BE their man if he manages to somehow get there because dez guys play rough.

    So we’re fuked. But then we probably deserve because we’ve been such fuking assholes for so long…

    So do as Maximus Decimus did, take a step back.

  7. Begbie October 3, 2016 at 9:41 am #

    I assumed that the “winner” in 2008, 2012 would have been left holding the bad when the house of cards collapsed. Oh well, still waiting

    • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 11:31 am #

      8 years ago was ‘the crisis’—Obama still has some months in office. Lets see.

    • DrGonzo October 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm #

      No, the “winner” in 2004 was left holding that stinking bag. Surely your me,pry isn’t THAT short?!

    • Poolside_at_the_Decline October 4, 2016 at 1:27 am #

      “still waiting”

      Things which can’t continue, continue until they can’t continue anymore.

  8. miasmo October 3, 2016 at 9:42 am #

    Nicole Foss has been making the point for a while that whoever wins will be the new Hoover and their party and ideas will be discredited for a generation. Sounds like a recipe for fascism to fill the void. I think I’d rather see conservatism take the blame in the public mind. But then again, a Trump administration could go ahead with full-blown fascism to deal with the coming disorder. Either way, I think we’re fucked. Hard to predict the least shitty possible outcome, electorally speaking.

    Also, I completely agree about the 1980 election being a critical decision point for whether to deal with the issue of finite resources with sanity or denial. Sadly we took the wrong path.

    • peakfuture October 3, 2016 at 9:51 am #

      Yeah, 1980 was the turning point. It is interesting to speculate (the Man In The High Castle, and all that) what the ‘nail’ was. Perhaps the helicopters crashing in the Iranian desert. If Carter’s administration had rescued the hostages, things might have been very different.

      Oh well. Time to play the cards we’ve got.

      • seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 10:53 am #

        That mission was likely sabotaged, like his re-election was with the October Surprise.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 4, 2016 at 3:05 pm #

          For the uninitiated, that would be the theory that Ronald Reagan’s campaign made a back-door deal with the Iranian revolutionary government not to release the embassy hostages while Carter was in office.

          I actually wrote a school paper about Gary Sick’s book back in the day. I thought the case he made was warmer than lukewarm, but not hot enough to be really convincing — even though Reagan’s administration clearly had back-door dealings with the mullahs that eventually came to light as the Iran-Contra scandal. When LBJ’s White House tapes came out, he was heard on tape complaining to a senator that Nixon was doing the same thing in Vietnam. I’m surprised that didn’t revive interest in the October Surprise connection, since it recasts it as more of the same tactics by Republicans (with the credibility of a sitting President who clearly believed what he was saying about Nixon) rather than just a one-off conspiracy theory.

    • laceration October 3, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

      You are obviously in a little progressive ghetto. There are probably even more Conservatives who have caught on to the lies and corruption as leftists. And Conservatives at least aren’t as stupid to think the US gov can solve our problems if we just elect the right person. Left and Right are trivial concepts these days. The overplayed meme of fascism is absurd since we are already there. Fascism is Corporate takeover of Gov’t. You probably really mean demagoguery, which would probably be more honest at least than the velvet gloved brave new world type of the neo liberals.

      • Poolside_at_the_Decline October 4, 2016 at 1:37 am #

        “Left and Right are trivial concepts these days.”
        —————- 2 wings of the same corrupt bird. When the boot of government is on your neck you don’t care if its the left boot or the right, you just want it off.

        But can you get it off be voting? No-why? Because the charade of limited menu voting has reduced political representation to a binary choice between candidates chosen by two private political parties conspiring to exclude all competition.

        If by casting votes citizens could actually change the fundamentals of the regime they live under it would be illegal. You don’t fix a broken car by changing the driver.

      • Elrond Hubbard October 4, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

        laceration, I think your description of fascism as corporate takeover of government is correct as far as it goes, but there’s more to it. The U.S. has been on the road to fascism for quite a while, and it’s close today, but still not quite there.

        Fascism happens when democratic pushback against the corporate takeover of government starts to look like it might succeed, and corporate forces react by (a) dropping the pretence of democratic governance and (b) making common cause with the extreme reactionary right wing to act as their enforcers. Trump’s candidacy makes it clear that (b) is underway but (a) has a ways to go yet — the idea of democracy, if not the reality, is really deeply embedded as an American ideal.

        When fascism is complete, that usually means the reactionary right-wingers are in the driver’s seat and you see the corporatists taking orders from nasty men in scary uniforms. I don’t see that in evidence right now.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

      Wait, would you rather have the police, directed by Trump, in control? Or Black Liver Matter backed by the Police under Hillary’s control?

      Huge difference. As is borders vs no borders. Anyone voting for Hillary is simply out of their mind – assuming they ever had one.

      • miasmo October 5, 2016 at 10:44 pm #

        “Black Liver Matter backed by the Police under Hillary’s control?”

        You are delusional.

  9. Walter B October 3, 2016 at 9:53 am #

    An interesting idea, elect the worst of the scum so that they can get it over with quicker. There are many here in New Jersey that bucked that idea years ago when we threw the dirtball criminal Jon Corzine out on his ear (he is still on the lam BTW) and whether you like him or not, Chris Christie did in fact stop the bleeding though he solved none of the problems that plague us all. The hungry Demogogue-crats are now chafing at the bit and have already begun hammering us all hard as they prepare once again to tie us over the stump when Christie’s term is over, so perhaps re-electing Dirty Jon might have made our suffering shorter and brought on the end sooner, I can’t say for sure.

    There is one huge problem however in casting a vote for the evil murdering, festering bag of scum, Her Highness H. Rodan Clinton, at least if you are a person who believes in karma, fate, or the existence of a Divine Entity of any kind. By giving the decaying old beast your vote you are officially approving the wanton murder of men, women and children around the globe to the purpose of lining her fat pockets and the pockets of her evil masters and dealers of death. The last time such large scale mass murder was perpetrated on such a scale, Herr Hitler and his cronies all found out the hard way that what goes around comes around. Do you doubt me? Well just wait for you will see. I have never and will never hitch my wagon to a beast of Hell, nor will I during this current sham. She and her demonic brethren may come for our assets, they may come for our cash, they may even come for our lives, but only we can surrender our Spirits to them, and that I will NOT do.

    • sooty October 3, 2016 at 10:50 am #

      Chris Christie gutted environmental protections and increased building in storm-vulnerable areas. Whatever “bleeding” he might have stopped (not), he exacerbated the flooding.

      • Walter B October 3, 2016 at 11:11 am #

        I was only speaking on a financial basis. If you are not aware of what all of the Trenton sellouts have in store for us just look into the NJDEP’s recent changes to the septic specification http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/16/05/01/more-septic-systems-for-the-highlands-courtesy-of-new-dep-proposal/, the undermining of the Highland Commission and their plans for small high density development throughout the rural landscape. That my friend is a gift from both sides of the political cesspool in Trenton.

        • chuckyzfr1 October 5, 2016 at 11:19 pm #

          Honestly I can’t believe anyone still lives in the Democratic People’s Republic of New Jersey. When I made my escape approximately 25 years ago I thought it couldn’t get any worse, but my hapless relatives who remain subjects in that bizarre fiefdom continue to report that conditions worsen all the time.

  10. venuspluto67 October 3, 2016 at 10:02 am #

    And the cherries on top to get thrown out with the rest of this giant shit sundae would be the campus cultural Maoists.

    You’re triggering my genderqueer peengina! 😀

    Being completely serious, though, you make an intriguing case here. But with the likelihood of Hillary setting off World War Three with Russia, I just can’t bring myself to vote for her. Doing so would feel almost as though I were pushing the big red button myself!

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  11. K-Dog October 3, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    Galloping horsemen getting their job done! If that’s the way it is don’t vote at all!

    You have not given any compelling reason to vote for Hillary because sorting it all out after civilization begins to fall is sophomoric. To find new ways to remain civilized when civilization is shaking itself apart along with a twitchy Hillary non-stop epileptic fits is wishful thinking on your part and the kind of thinking you normally despise. It is as brain dead of a thought as any Gary Johnston can have.

    I think watching the ‘debates’ did something to your brain. I hope it is a temporary condition from which you can recover. Unlike civilization which will be unable to find new arrangements once things start ripping apart.

    A vote for Hillary is a vote for procrastination and with the problems the nation has a vote for procrastination is not a good thing.

    When things fly apart the center will not hold.

    • K-Dog October 3, 2016 at 10:13 am #

      shaking itself apart along with a twitchy Hillary in non-stop epileptic fits.

      After a while her swooning will be hardly noticed when every institution which has been helping civilization limp across the road like a crippled chicken goes lame.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:00 pm #

      We just lost the internet to shadowy internationalists. Any comments?

      • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

        Well, we lost our industrial base to China over the past 20-30 years. The internet will become just as unreliable as a Chinese-made washing machine or air conditioner. It will even tattle on you, just as the latest “smart” appliances do.

        All who have mics and cameras on your computer or laptop will be spied upon. All to “help you” be better consumers, get more “value” out of your Internet service, and interact with the new A.I. websites!

        There will be two-tiered pricing for Internet service. Affordable Internet will REQUIRE you to have open mics AND working cameras! Private Internet will be prohibitively expensive because advertisers won’t be able to reach you and content providers can’t bill Homeland Security for random monitoring of you.

        Plus, you’ll be relegated to the Legacy Internet which will be neglected as time goes on and you’ll be less functional without all this A.I. “help” that’s sure to come. THAT’S what China has in store for We Teh Slaves.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm #

          Ever watch Max Headroom back in the day? Set in a networked cyberpunk dystopia where TVs are given free to the needy, but it’s illegal to turn them off. It’s as if they knew…

          • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 8:18 pm #

            Long time ago. I barely remember it.

            Between here and there, we will very likely denied internet service unless we are CONFIGURED to receive all the features that TPTB want us to have.

            The State won’t make turning it off illegal but, we can be imprisoned in service contracts that bind us to having open mics and cameras. The tyranny of the Private Sector will do what the Government cannot legally do.

            We are separated from our rights by living in a commercial Matrix that forces us to contract with it and waive our rights in order to function.

  12. ozone October 3, 2016 at 10:10 am #

    Excellent outline of the coming “banquet” for whoever is foolish enough to pursue the highest orifice in the land.

    You write (with the nod to David McAlvany) about the coming cataclysm with Queen Clinton as bag-holder:

    “…The salutary part of the story is that such an epochal crack-up will sweep the establishment out of power. In the present case, this means discrediting the crony-capitalist, revolving-door grifters of the Wall Street / Washington axis, plus the neo-con military empire-builders bent on starting World War Three for profit, plus the economic central planners of the Federal Reserve whose desperate meddlings have nearly destroyed the necessary operations and meaning of money. And the cherries on top to get thrown out with the rest of this giant shit sundae would be the campus cultural Maoists. In short, vote for Hillary and let history flush them all out of the system.”

    Yep, this is why I’m also in favor of Financial Collapse First, as it exposes our actual common interests instead of those manufactured to keep us “little people” at each others’ throats. “Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished” (or however that goes).

    As knock-on effect, I envision a bit of a nasty one before the Horsemen move in to deliver a coup de gras that will allow us youmans to move sideways into the future, however.

    Those in charge are going to double down on clamping down to continue the con game. Enter militaristic fascism in the plain light of day. The final extraction and some real horror inflation. A hard slap and bucket of ice-water to wake the sleepers. No overreaching government can long survive a withdrawal of consent of its populace.
    That’s just my pessimism yelling of course, but I’m afraid that history will bear out this drift in the hallowed name of “security”.

    **Off topic, but tangential to grifting and corruption for power players, the bellowing of the Grand Wurlitzer is all about Trump’s tax returns showing his loss of almost a billion in ’95 (?). Then I read this shame-inducing article about the machinations behind Bill Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich. Holy Shit, Batman! The extent of these power-people’s collusion and deal-trading is truly disgusting! (It also shows that there is no difference in party labels when it comes to payoffs and power grubbing. There appears to be a difference between rich criminals and poor criminals; who woulda thunk it?)


    • K-Dog October 3, 2016 at 10:19 am #

      I can’t be ‘in favor of Financial Collapse‘ because when that happens shouts of chaos will drown out whispers of reason.

      • ozone October 3, 2016 at 10:31 am #

        I certainly understand and sympathize, but that’s how things usually metastasize; things (and people) are *not* “different this time”. More than anything, we’ll likely need the factor of luck.
        So, I say sincerely: Good Luck to you and yours.

        BUT, as an interesting aside, when the Irish banks settled beneath the waves, the pubs took over as lenders and distributors of currency without much fuss. There are other ways to get things done that don’t require martial law (although Americans probably don’t know that).

  13. patrickd October 3, 2016 at 10:16 am #

    The end of empire – yay! It’s about freakin time, huh?

    You go, Hillary! Show the world who’s boss! hahahahahaha

    • K-Dog October 3, 2016 at 10:25 am #

      Seems a lot of people are not wanting to say our emperor is naked today. The affliction contracted from watching Hillary and Donald is infectious. Many here are now deluded in thinking that good times will be had by all once things begin to shake apart.

      About freakin time for pain and suffering and chaos? I say no thanks!

  14. malthuss October 3, 2016 at 10:20 am #

    Buzz online says ATMs in Canada and Germany NOT working today.

    True? False? Bank holiday here?

  15. malthuss October 3, 2016 at 10:22 am #

    I am more concerned about the illegal aliens.

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    • K-Dog October 3, 2016 at 10:26 am #

      The grays or the lizards?

      • seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 10:32 am #

        “I am the lizard king. I can do anything.” Jim Morrison

  16. Lonely Traveler October 3, 2016 at 10:31 am #

    If I try to read between the lines on this week’s post, and admittedly I’m not real good at reading between the lines, I read that no matter who gets elected, this whole freakin’ mess we call America is going down. If Hillary gets elected, the veil gets pulled off the scam and it all collapses fast. With Trump, it all goes a little slower.

    The only other blog I read regularly, Dark Ages America by Morris Berman, suggests just the opposite. If Hillary gets elected, it will be the slow drip, drip of decline we’ve experienced the past few decades. If Trump gets elected, it will be a relatively quick collapse.

    One thing that both Jim Kunstler and Morris Berman agree on: James Earl Carter was the last president who tried to talk some sense into the American public, but we weren’t buying it. No way, no how as long as there were goods to be consumed and money to be made. Morning in America! Remember that honky bullshit?

    I’m going to stock up on popcorn so I can sit in the stands and watch the whole freaky show. I’m staying out of the shopping malls, however. Too damn dangerous nowadays.

    • Walter B October 3, 2016 at 10:46 am #

      I’ll tell you what LT, I have dealt with more than enough lawyers in my lifetime (and still do every week) to understand all too well that any side of any argument can easily be made by the right individual with the right words and the right angle. There is NO law, there are NO facts, there is only spin. The argument for a quicker correction (or collapse) could very well be had with Trump if those who rule are threated enough to stop the game now least they lose control of the outcome. I doubt seriously that Mr. Trump is a NWO, One World Government supporter. Rodan on the other hand is an arrogant whore who would sell everyone and even herself out for the largest profit. Mr. Trump as I see him is far more likely to want to BE the one world ruler and certainly NOT the type to hand such power over to anyone else for pay. Here lies the greatest difference between the two bad choices as I see it.

      • elysianfield October 3, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

        So, we are better off with the devil we don’t know than the devil we do…I agree with your assessment. I wish I could find faith in the notion that those now controlling the country will do so to their detriment in four years…sadly, I believe that the people in question are intelligent, powerful, and can keep the metaphorical balls in the air as long as they choose…with a bit of help from the police/military.

        Trump has essentially said nothing in his speeches…catch phrases, never developed. We really don’t know what he believes or what he will do. Our only saving grace is that he is not part of the PTB, and may be a wild card…disruptive, perhaps even destructive. Our Host describes a possible Gotterdammerung with the election of the Lizard Queen and the probable financial collapse…Trump provides that with the added bonus of being ham handed in his response.

        Unintended consequences? Nixon’s brilliant opening of China to screw the Russians? Who’d have thought, in the early 70’s, that it would end up being an instrument of our destruction?

        Carter and his message? Who would have thought that this most underrated and unappreciated President could have been our salvation, were he more persuasive?

        Reagan’s shining city on a hill? I loved the man, but he truly was the root of our economic failures today.

        Hillary or Trump? Flip a coin. Win or lose…(if I lose, I will keep flipping the coin until it comes up Trump).

        To paraphrase the old Goldwater attack ad…”In your guts, you know he’s nuts”.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

          Open China? What did that even mean to him? Are you saying he didn’t know what an economic disaster it would be? How could he not? Unless he was an early version of the Neo-Cons, who supposedly believe in nationalism while being internationalists economically.

          I think the Judeo-Masonic Neo-Cons know exactly what they’re about: destroying nations even as you use them up. But goofs like Nixon and Reagan think it’s a viable model. It’s like saying to someone as you strike their body, “I have nothing against you as a person, I just don’t like your body.” The Economy is the body of the Nation.

          • elysianfield October 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm #

            Having read the Nixon Tapes transcript, I can tell you that he and Kissinger did not give a whit about economic advantage…never mentioned…it was all a power play on Russia. Any analysis by the press was spin….

        • swmnguy October 3, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

          I remember until fairly recently, the tagline in favor of “opening China” was that there would be a billion new consumers for US products. Funny how that turned out.

          But it did make some sense to people who understood that a system that uses debt at interest as money has to have infinite inputs of money, materials, energy and markets. Money we could make infinite by making it completely abstract, and Nixon helped out with that, too. Materials and energy are trickier because once the easy supplies are exhausted, it all gets a lot harder. And China was really the last great untapped market.

          The true problem is that our system of finance and economy has always had a fatal and inevitable flaw. Now the limitations are coming clear, we steadfastly refuse to face it head-on and come up with a new system, because that might inconvenience the Elite who have assiduously cemented their advantage.

          So we’re going to dither with things that don’t work until events force outcomes on us. At least then we can say we didn’t choose a course of action so it isn’t our fault.

      • messianicdruid October 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm #

        Walter and Lonely Traveler make good points. Mericans want fantasy, matters not which mindset doesn’t qualify as a boomer.

        Carter didn’t know who his enemies were, and neither do most voters. I’m not convinced Trump really wants to win at all.

        Six websites I go to regularly did not respond this morning, and one comment has already went to heaven this morning for this one. I contemplated not being able to use this thing, and if I would be assembling my little greenhouse this week, but I’m sidetracked into contemplation over production for a few more moments, before everything gets suddenly very real.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

        Well said. Both Hitler and Putin faced the same Banksters and get the better of them. It can be done. As Merkel says, “We can do this.” As Obama said, “Yes, we can.”

      • michael October 5, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

        Sorry to disappoint you but the end is not near.
        You (US) are now where the Roman republic was at the time of Julius Caesar.
        It’s a long way down from there – a very long way.

        Nor will a shortage of oil be manifesting soon.
        It seems that JHK has’nt noticed that the US increased its oil output
        from 8 to 13 million barrels per day through fracking in the last couple of years.

        Today news arrived that a field of 6 billion barrels (2.5 billion recoverable at current prices, more if prices go up) has been found
        in Alaska.

        The arctic will soon be ice free and when push comes to shove we can drill there too.

        I bought into the peak-oil hype around the year 2000 and still remember the threatening production graphs where in the year 2020 conventional oil production was down 20% from peak.
        Doesn’t look like this will be the case 4 years from now.

        Be this as it may do you really care if the oil is conventional or not as long as it keeps the wheels spining? They are pumping profitably and that is that counts.

        It looks like you will have to put up with the system longer than expected.

    • Poolside_at_the_Decline October 4, 2016 at 1:46 am #

      “I’m going to stock up on popcorn so I can sit in the stands and watch the whole freaky show. ”

      “I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused”

  17. seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 10:40 am #

    The choice is stark. The strident strong man who will extend the empire ad nauseam with brute force, military actions, and gangster government. The other is a compromise candidate, negotiate and extend. A my way or the highway candidate, or a kumbaya candidate. Everyone, well present company excluded, wants the party to go on for as long as it can go on. That pregnant pause the empire is experiencing, like cotton candy at the fair, ghastly pink, with each moment sticking to the impossible next. But there it is. How much sugar is left on Sugar Mountain? Bottom line is no one really knows. I think the trigger will be a shortage of some important commodity. Over the next 3 years, it is unlikely it will be oil. American production recently peaked just short of the 1970 peak. The key will be the trajectory and slope of that curve on the downside.

  18. wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 10:42 am #

    Let’ see. The choice is between trigger warnings or pulling the nuclear trigger? Microaggression persecutions or full blown macro fascism affecting millions?

    Thanks for helping me vote for Jill Stein and the Green Party. Jill is an eco-warrior with an actual green plan to rebuild infrastructure, get us off oil, and address climate change and militarism head on.

  19. pequiste October 3, 2016 at 10:46 am #

    Seems to me the tactical endgame for the Evil Bastards is to get Hillary installed to grease the skids for the EPIC FAILURE that is bound to come in the next four or five years.

    Globalization at any cost; massive migrations into the First World of maybe hundreds of millions: the fruits of populations overshoot; banning cash – institution of the “chip” 666 system for economic control; and the complete breakdown of the Nation State, in the West and South . Russia and China maintain nation state status as they are no under the control of either Hollywood/Wall Street/D.C. or the International Banking Cabal.

    The strategic end game is the culmination of achieving the tactical objectives and implementation of the New World Order – the human farming project – all with the help of quantum computing/A.I., robots, and biological alterations (GMO food, designer viruses, geo-engineering and the like.)

    Hell on earth for the remaining peons and one big playground for the Evil Fuckers In Charge and their house staff.

    I only found out that the revote in Austrian was postponed due to legal issues regarding envelope sealing. They don’t want to take a chance on the Right winning as it impedes progress to the subduing all of Western Europe.

    When Hillary wins, and with the way Trump steps on his dick on a daily basis, she is a shoe-in, she will ensure the big plan here in the USSA is accomplished with alacrity.

  20. Greg Knepp October 3, 2016 at 10:51 am #

    I agree with K-dog. I can’t bring myself to vote for Hillary. Her foreign policy alone (perhaps the most ill-conceived and badly executed in U.S. history) would seem to disqualify her from high office. And I refuse to participate in the collective tantrum of voting for Donald Trump…though I’m tempted.

    I’ll vote for local issues this November, but I’m leaving the top of the ticket blank.

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    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 12:58 am #

      Does your vote count?
      Not on the top of the ticket. Maybe on local ones, if yr vote is a tie breaker.

      Think about it.

  21. seawolf77 October 3, 2016 at 10:52 am #

    Every time Donald Trump opens his mouth he makes it clear he is unfit for office. Matt Taibi of Rolling Stone compared him to a PEZ Dispenser of himself. I don’t think that is far off. he is more and more cartoonish every passing day. There is also no good news on the financial front, his main claim to fame. His companies operated at a loss every single year for 20 years. That is why he has paid no taxes. This guy is a snake oil salesman. Trump University proves it.

    • SteveO October 3, 2016 at 11:39 am #

      That’s the real reason why he won’t release his taxes. He’s only worth a small fraction of the billions he claims to be worth because (like so many other boomers out there) everything he “owns” is mortgaged to the hilt.

      He has borrowed his way to prosperity.

      The emperor has no clothes.

  22. Elrond Hubbard October 3, 2016 at 10:56 am #

    A couple of weeks back, I had some comments in mind pretty close to what David McAlvany said (haven’t listened to the podcast yet), but I couldn’t get my thoughts together so I chucked it. I recall Nicole “Stoneleigh” Foss saying something similar about Obama’s prospects back around the time he was first elected, so the idea has been in the air for a while.

    The bailouts got Obama through okay, so someone else will be history’s bag holder. Exactly who it will end up being depends on accidents of timing — no one can predict exactly when the crackup will come, only that it will happen once either the finances or the politics simply won’t allow the pretense to go on any longer. I’m sure we all have our private hopes for which candidate, and which party, will take the bullet, but will the consequences really land where they need to land? The power of denial and scapegoating is great, and only growing — just think of Giuliani claiming that no attacks on America happened on George W. Bush’s watch.

  23. beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 11:11 am #

    Whatever happened to principles? Voting for the lesser of two evils is not how mankind advances. A society takes its inspiration from it’s leaders. Do you really want the masses to follow in the footsteps of Clinton or Trump?

  24. Piper Michael October 3, 2016 at 11:24 am #

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    Sick, James, just sick. It appears my article was right, I hate it when that happens, as ‘Something wicked this way comes.’ has now strengthened your dark side.

    That is the most left handed endorsement I’ve ever heard.
    May thee reap what you’ve sewn.

    and puhlease, quit blaming baby boomers, when were YOU born?
    Do you feel like you’re a cause of the problem, or a victim of the Evil that runs the world?
    Yes, we’re a nation of brain washed fools, but that is as it always is in every generation.

    Why don’t you discuss the necessity of decentralization of authority, down to the family, tribe, clan level. The elimination of governments and central bankers, and let us all choose to ‘… not learn war any more.”
    What you are really wanting is civil war, you may just reap what you’ve sewn there James. But that’ll make you happy, because there will be massive depopulation when Hitler II gets done, what, civil war, or civil war leading to WWIII after Russia sees that we are ripe for the picking? Or, will the Black Caesar just start WWIII before he skulks off into the darkness.
    At least Trump loves America, and everybody is against him. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the Arabs say.

    Ideology, the killer of minds.

    • SteveO October 3, 2016 at 11:46 am #

      “At least Trump loves America, and everybody is against him.”

      That is his schtick. It’s an act. Wrap yourself in the flag and play victim. He says it all the time “they were not fair to me”, “that was really unfair”.

      Is someone who flies around in his own personal 757 and is married to a supermodel really a victim? Think about it.

      • Piper Michael October 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm #

        I have followed him for a long time… yes, I have thought about it.
        This is a good smart man, who lives within an evil system, and has learned how to manipulate it for his own gain… which requires him to shake hands with the devil…
        The Devil is that one who’s part of The System, and has been, for many many years…
        What is sad, is that the anal retentiveness surround the ‘schtick’ of you liberals, and other conservative assholes, who want a perfect person for president, instead of what’s needed…
        Someone to go in there with an attitude, and start the process of firing people, he’s good at that.
        All of you worship death, and that’s the bottom line. You don’t think things can get better, because you all hate some part of America.
        I think, in the civil war, chaos, anarchy that comes, I will derive great pleasure in watching all of you get what you asked for…

        • SteveO October 5, 2016 at 12:23 pm #

          “This is a good smart man, who lives within an evil system, and has learned how to manipulate it for his own gain… which requires him to shake hands with the devil…”

          A good man? Well I guess that depends on your definition of good, doesn’t it?

          I don’t personally consider anyone who lies as comfortably as Trump does to be good. I’ll not even getting into his disdain for the people he claims to want to care for. You can say he’s a wise business man, but wise business men like Jammie Diamond have brought the world economy to the brink of collapse.

          But, misquoting Ebenezer Scrooge, he is a good man of business. I think you know what Marley’s response was to that.

  25. Petro October 3, 2016 at 11:27 am #

    Neither of the despicable major party candidates has “coat tails” helping others who might support them get elected down-ticket. A majority of state houses will remain in Republican hands, as will the U.S. House, and probably U.S. Senate. If Congress was obstructionist with Obama, we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet if Hillary gets into office. Trump has almost no credibility with his own declared party, the military don’t trust him, and the rest of the world will treat him like the mentally unstable child he sounds like.

    In short, neither of these people, I think, will be able to get much of anything done; they’ll be virtual prisoners of their office.

    Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part, though.

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    • swmnguy October 3, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

      I think you’re correct. The GOP won’t allow Hillary to get anything done, and Hillary would veto GOP proposals. Neither party will allow Trump to get anything done in Congress. We would hear of nothing but “Gridlock!” from the corporate-owned MSM.
      I know some people in my personal life who like to talk about their problems. When I suggest solutions that I’ve used in similar situations, they have a litany of reasons why none of them will work. OK, fine, so I guess it is hopeless. What happens is that while they do nothing, events don’t sit still. Eventually outcomes are imposed on them, or at least all the alternatives drop out of the range of possibility, so in the end there’s only one thing they can do. But then if things go wrong, it’s not their fault; they didn’t have any choice.
      Of course, if they’d taken the initiative, they might have been able to direct things to a conclusion that met their needs. But then they’d have been responsible for possible failure. To avoid that, they would rather have the worst outcome, so they could at least say it wasn’t their fault.
      That’s the situation the US has steered itself into over the past few decades. Our financial system has fallen apart as has been well-predicted. We are running out of cheap-to-get energy, and have done virtually nothing about it in the decades we’ve seen this developing. We spend so much on the global war machine we can’t fix our own plumbing. We define our realities in terms of the purely arbitrary and abstract financial system that changes by fiat and is collapsing, because otherwise we’d have to take responsibility for fixing a broken system.
      Events are going to impose the solutions on us. We’re not going to take the needed actions. Prepare accordingly.

  26. erik October 3, 2016 at 11:50 am #

    I read this and thought:”Eureka; I have a reason to vote, for Hillary”.
    Then I realized that Jim has been predicting imminent collapse within a matter of months for the last decade or so. Trump could get in and do another Gipper Hail Mary and then where will we be?
    The shit sandwich keeps getting passed along, but we do have a chance for more war with Hillary.
    But Jim and I are both around 70, so maybe we’ll both be dead by 2020.
    I’m voting for Kotos.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

      Old Star Trek Kotos?

  27. mow October 3, 2016 at 11:55 am #

    The road to political and economic reform will be through megatonnage along with the purity and essence of our natural fluids.

    • pequiste October 3, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

      You mean BGen Jack Ripper was right all along?

      • JimInFlorida October 3, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

        By now, General Jack D Ripper has realized that the enemies of ‘Merica are NOT in Moscow, Damascus, or Tehran but, in Manhattan, Washington DC, and Bohemian Grove.

  28. johngalt October 3, 2016 at 12:00 pm #


    In the New Republic, members enjoy resuming the restoration of the Constitutional republic from JFK’s point of interruption, can see for miles and miles, and enjoy Liberty in building out properties and the local means of production, with the capability to sow, nurture, grow, harvest, store, cook, engineer, design, program, automate, construct, process, raise, teach, hunt, defend, provide, debate, organize, compose, dance, celebrate, and sustain.

    I’m Charles Fuller.

    And I approve this message.

  29. jj October 3, 2016 at 12:39 pm #

    I respect the heck out of you, Jim. I really do. But I don’t always agree with you. This is one of these instances. Hillary would find a way to prop this system up for “a thousand years”. Even if she has to take us all down, even if the only thing left of the system is her harnessed up excretory system. I will never be with her.

  30. kansas ham on wry October 3, 2016 at 12:47 pm #

    A vote for Hillary is the equivalent of whistling past the graveyard at midnight in a Walking Dead world, kicking a can in front of you and hoping the horde of zombies that line the road don’t notice the clatter-boom-bam of tin on cobblestones. Whereas voting for Trump is like flinging yourself off a precipice, counting on the coincidental wreck of a Sealy Posturepedic truck a half mile below you to have spilled enough mattresses on the road that you can land safely.

    Either way, we’re screwed. I suppose it’s a matter if you want the scenic route to rock bottom or the express elevator. And events may not even wait for the November coronation. Deutsch Bank is supposedly tottering (and if they go, what will happen to the $46 TRILLION in derivatives they supposedly possess?) I’ve got to give the oligarchs credit – they managed to juggle the flaming chainsaws far longer than I thought they would. But all bad things must come to an end. We have reached the point where there are no more notional rabbits to pull out of the proverbial hat. All the quantitative easing in the world isn’t going to be able to resuscitate the bloated corpse of world finance. Hillary, being the trusty water-carrier of the pampered and privileged, will certainly try (which is why I can appreciate the cynicism of JHKs wish that she be at ground zero when the anvils start raining from the sky). But as for me, I’ll find a third party candidate to vote for. Out here in Kansas (a.k.a. Brownbackistan), the outcome is pre-ordained, so there isn’t any moral turmoil about needing to vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s much easier to do the right thing when you’ve lost all hope……

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    • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

      DB may get a bail out. BUT how many more bail outs can the system sustain?
      Me, I am waiting for the US dollar to die or for a big war.

    • peakfuture October 3, 2016 at 1:33 pm #

      The notional amount can be misleading:


      But 5% or even 1% of those sorts of numbers is still huge. The scary thing about derivatives is that they aren’t linear, and non-linear systems can blow up really quickly.

      “When anvils start raining from the sky…” oh, what an image. Nicely put, kansas ham on wry!

      Like the rest of us here in CFN, the ADR, or Club Orlov – we just wonder *when*.

    • wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

      “I’ve got to give the oligarchs credit – they managed to juggle the flaming chainsaws far longer than I thought they would.” –Kansas

      “Juggling” can go on forever. TPTB will not allow collapse as they would not be immune to the consequences. I predict 16 years of Clintons in the White House. Eight Hillary and eight Chelsea. Then it will be time for another Bush term.

      But collapse will be avoided at all costs through QE-infinity… or, once again, the threat of collapse will be used for another round of bank bailouts and stimulus packages benefiting the private sector.

  31. thwack October 3, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

    I think its interesting that so many racists white people support Donald Trump?

    Trump acts just like a reggin; loud, obnoxious, impulsive, flashy, rude, insecure, greedy… yet these same white people claim to hate sreggin?

    Donald Trump reminds me of a black pimp; is this why all the racists love him?

    I might vote for him because he is so friggin niggrish.

    • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

      Yrs is the dumbest post today, so far.

      • thwack October 3, 2016 at 1:54 pm #

        What color are you?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

      Yes, Whites have rights, specifically the right not to be savaged by Black Gangs like BLM. Trump is the Law and Order candidate and will deal with this element – which has been treated with kid gloves for generations.

      Hillary marches with them just as she marched with the Black Panthers. Only far Left Liberals and White fools will vote for her.

      Look, we’re not all going to get along. In Mr Kunstler’s novels, people fled Black violence in the mid-Atlantic states. It will be like that in real life too if America falls. People have been fleeing Black violence for generations now. And with a complete lack of irony, Blacks describe how terrible it is when they are forced out of their neighborhoods in L.A by Mexicans. And the more Mexicans who come in, the more this will happen.

    • Piper Michael October 3, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

      Calling us ‘raciss’ and ‘deplorable’ is the pot calling the kettle black.
      It begins to appear that the civil war the democrats want, will be more of a biblical event… aka ‘ethnic nation against ethnic nation’.

      Animals can only destroy, they cannot build.
      Be careful what you ask for my friend, you are only 13% of the population…

      • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 8:02 pm #

        13% is a very old number.

        With all the mudsharking over the past 20-30 years, the percentage of black / mongrel is probably at 35% now.

        The standard to be black or mixed has a very low bar. The standard to be White is very high.

    • casamurphy October 6, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

      Thank you for the best laugh I’ve had in weeks. Like stirrin’ up the hornet do you?

  32. volodya October 3, 2016 at 1:31 pm #

    I’ve been reading a book called a Short History of the Normans. This was a time when the western half of the Roman Empire was gone, Rome’s temporal authority via the papacy and Church was still there but constrained by local warlords.

    The Normans came down from Scandinavia as part of the Viking diaspora. Seems to me what the Normans were good at was exploiting places where political and military authority was sparse and the land was relatively unpopulated. Northern France along the coast fit the bill.

    So did southern Italy and Sicily. Plus it was divided linguistically and religiously and culturally among Greek and Latin and Arab and Christian and Muslim and Byzantine. In that age travel was difficult, not like the days when Rome could deploy legions by its network of highways to quell invasion and rebellion.

    Like the Frankish kings in France, the Lombard kings didn’t have the reach, nor did the Byzantines. Militarily and economically and demographically the area was a shadow of its time in the Roman Empire and Magna Graecia before that.

    Why do I bring this up? The past instructs as to the future. Imagine this much talked about American Empire as an empire within the continental United States with Alaska and Hawaii and Puerto Rico as offshore possessions.

    The American Empire between NYC and LA is a huge land area encompassing a many-headed throng, a large number of which haven’t reconciled themselves to being part of it, less still to their defeat 150 years ago. To them the past isn’t dead, it ain’t even past.

    We get a foreshadowing of the future if we look at the epic crack-up of Rome 1,500 years ago. Something took the place of Rome’s authority. All those places that Rome formerly ruled reconfigured themselves. Look at the map of Europe today. It looks a lot like the old pre-Roman tribal map with Rome’s language and politics and culture overlaying it. IMO that’s what’s in store for post-empire America.

    Whoever is at the podium January 2017 may be the Last American Emperor. Or alternatively one of a line of dwindling potentates fighting to stem the tide of dissolution.

    What will be left? Imagine a crumbling and sinking capitol city. Imagine the Senate as a ceremonial body going pointlessly through the motions. Imagine future Presidents as figure-heads with no reach and no power. The question is who will be the Franks and Lombards and Normans? Somebody will be.

    • wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

      “Imagine the Senate as a ceremonial body going pointlessly through the motions.”

      No imagination needed. Look at the last five years. They are currently taking a 45-day weekend break after going pointlessly through the motions for a few days “at work”

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

      But German barbarians were genetically rich even if materially poor. Proof of this? They admired the Roman Empire and wanted to become part of it. Too many poured in though and they did end up gradually overthrowing it. But they did create a new civilization out of the ruins of the old.

      The new barbarians do not have this potential and will create nothing worthwhile.

  33. lost-in-north-dakota October 3, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

    Aleppo was my favorite Marx Brother. lol

    • messianicdruid October 3, 2016 at 8:46 pm #

      And John read a book on Groucho. Angel food cake, blueberries, strawberries and Cool Whip.

  34. outOfTheMoney October 3, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

    One minor nitpick: JHK says:

    There can be little question that Hillary represents so much that has gone wrong in American public life under the Baby Boomer regime. The fact that she will be the oldest president ever at inauguration itself says a lot about the limitless cupidity of the Boomer political gen.

    This is incorrect, though not by much. If Hillary Clinton is indeed elected, she will be 69.24 years old on Inauguration Day (January 20, 2017). When Ronald Reagan was inaugurated on January 20, 1981, he was 69.96 years old.

  35. laceration October 3, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

    You make a great point Mr. Kunstler, but people generally won’t vote for the negative. At least a vote for Trump would you give you the feelgood moment of overthrowing the establishment. That is what his candidacy is essentially about, getting caught up in all the idiosyncrasies is disingenuous. Like when Obama was elected, it felt great for about 1 minute, him being a black man elected, then it went rapidly and disastrously downhill. If it ends up the same w/ Trump, I won’t be surprised. You don’t expect we get a reasonable + decent POTUSA anyways. At least with Trump you get the possibility of no WWIII and maybe muck up the works of stupidfuck trade deals…NATO…Neocons…the Fed..as this thing unravels. I don’t know if I can bring myself to actually participate in charade, but I might vote for him. His enemies are are my–our–enemies also.

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    • wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

      “overthrowing the establishment”

      Mr. Trump is a billionaire real estate tycoon, and part of “the establishment” only more so… he is conning people into believing he is an outsider, yet successful.

      The truth is Trump is a failed businessman (as his tax returns reveal) who was SO NOT A GENIUS he managed to lose ONE BILLION DOLLARS in one year in the casino business. What kind of a genius runs a casino into bankruptcy. The house always wins when a genius is the owner. A genius does not lose a billion dollars.

    • mastman23 October 3, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      Well said why vote for the Globalist Hilary who will keep feeding the special interests and neocon war mongers.

      Trump is a builder and Nationalist. He could care less if the EU crumbles or who the Hell is in charge in Syria. He wants to take care of business here first. I don’t know about you but I have seen the country on the wrong course since the day Kennedy was shot.

  36. DurangoKid October 3, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

    In Naomi Klein’s ‘The Shock Doctrine’ she tells of the events leading up to the coup in Chile. Part of the background for the Chilean coup was formulated in the ideas floating around the Chicago school of economics. Milton Freedman was one of their gurus at the time. It was Freedman who said that policies are usually formulated out of the ideas at hand. The trick was to keep a particular set of ideas always on the front burner, so to speak. That is one part of a successful propaganda plan. We all know what Freedman’s Chicago style free marketers accomplished in Chile and other countries were they had their way.

    The problem with collapse is that if there are no new ideas around it’s very likely that the new boss will be the same as the old boss. Our current constitutional system was formulated before the industrial revolution. When the industrial revolution kicked into high gear in the 19th century the constitution was no match for the new concentrations of wealth and power. It simply couldn’t cope with the likes of Rockefeller and Carnegie.

    What we need now is some ferment and debate on how we can cope with such concentrations of wealth. A new constitution will have to address in detail what Chris Martinson calls the three E’s, energy, economy, and environment. In the 18th century commerce could externalize the effects on the environment because the capacity to destroy the environment was relatively modest. Not any more. I would suggest that a new constitution stipulate the entire manufacturing cycle from resources to recycling of all commodities be priced accordingly. I would also add that all commodities contain a certain minimum component of, say, 25% human labor. If you can’t make an enterprise pay under those conditions, maybe what you have in mind isn’t a good and necessary proposition.

    On the limits to wealth, I would also propose the constitution limit compensation. The MAXIMUM yearly compensation should be indexed to the MINIMUM yearly compensation by a factor of eight. There should also be stiff inheritance taxes to prevent dynastic wealth. We all know what happens when wealth becomes concentrated, so why permit it? If a low paid worker earns $40,000/yr, shouldn’t $320,000/yr be enough?

    On banking, I would propose constitutional article stipulating an end to fractional reserve lending. No exceptions. I would also propose severe limits on certain types of trading such as futures contracts. If you buy a futures contract you must hold that contract until maturity and then dispose of the corresponding commodity at current market conditions. No more front running or automated trading. I could go on about this, but not now.

    I can almost hear the shrieking as I type. What you’re proposing will kill economic growth! It will be and end to prosperity! Really? On the subject of growth, haven’t we seen how bad economic growth is? What it does to the environment and people all around the world? How it concentrates wealth in the hands of a few and spreads misery among billions of others? When is enough enough?

    How much prosperity is enough? Wouldn’t it be a better world if we kept our demands on the environment to a minimum? Once people get regular meals, shelter, sanitation, and a few other odds and ends, more luxuries to not increase happiness. One can live well and modestly. It’s really just a question of what sort of society you want.

    • wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      “shouldn’t $320,000/yr be enough”

      Yes, there is not a city in the United States so expensive one could not live there on $320,000. You can get a nice apartment in Manhattan (midtown or upper west side) for $9,000 a month rent, and still have more than $200,000 a year left over for incidentals.

      I support the idea of a MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM WAGE RATIO OF 8.

      • DurangoKid October 3, 2016 at 6:07 pm #

        If the MAX:MIN were in a ratio of 8:1 I would guess the prices of real estate would be roughly in the same ratio of high:low. The high end would of necessity be more modest that what the market offers today. Remember that housing prices follow income.

      • messianicdruid October 3, 2016 at 8:51 pm #

        So is your “minimum wage” 40,000 bucks?

    • mastman23 October 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

      When are you Stalinist going to learn that your system only works until you run out of other peoples money. HUMM? Now that said I have a suggestion you may want to ponder. I have noted your 25% human statement and assume its to keep a active value of labor in the markets yes? Well the direct threat the world faces as far as human job creation is machines doing the work we all once did.

      I propose that the WORLD COURT finally do something for mankind. Machines that displace labor should be taxed over the full lifespan of that machine a portion of the productive gain it supplied over human labor.

      The money would not go to any political managed agenda. The money would go to the people in the form of CASH monthly forever to pay for the displacement of Human work.

      Anyone have a opinion on this idea? I say it must be Global even though i hate the word. Chine is about to have hundreds of millions of people displaced by machines. What will they do besides revolt and start WW3

      • DurangoKid October 3, 2016 at 6:03 pm #

        In Das Kapital Karl Marx noted how the skills of the craftsmen were converted to machines. In modern terms we would call this the expropriation of the craftsman’s intellectual property which would be encoded into automated production. Marx also noted that the expropriation of the craftsman’s skills created a class of deskilled workers who could command only paltry wages for operating machines. Thus, we see that gains in productivity are in reality a theft of knowledge that benefits the capital owning class. It would seem that a universal stipend to workers would serve as a class action settlement for generations of lost income.

        The machine taxing scheme wold run into some problems. Mainly the owners of the machines would see this as an attack on their property rights. In a way they are correct. Mechanization has advance to the point where human labor is not even considered for some types of tasks, e.g., integrated circuit manufacture, The tax would also act as a disincentive to invest in certain kinds automated manufacture.

        One thing we cannot leave out of the equation is the effect of mass production on energy and material resources. Even if workers were compensated for lost opportunities to sell their labor, it still doesn’t address the stripping of the planet and destabilization of the atmosphere. Remember, in the long run gains in productivity are usually bad. Part of our current banquet of consequences is a result of producing mountains of crap that rapidly finds its way to a landfill and its byproducts finding their way into the air, water, and soil.

        And I’m not a Stalinist.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 5, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

          The more a system depends on overt expropriation and redistribution, the more resistance it’s likely to encounter. People like their money, and once they’ve gained it they always feel as if they earned every penny, no matter how much or how little actual value they created (or in the case of many financial shenanigans, destroyed) in the process.

          But redistribution is frequently necessary, because not only do markets produce all kinds of bad outcomes (no matter what the fatuous Chicago School wankers may insist). but left to themselves free markets will inevitably concentrate wealth at the top. The more that rent-seekers divert economic gains, the more their ability to do so increases until the maximum concentration of wealth is achieved and the result is serfdom for all but a few.

          What makes this possible is the basic issue that Marx identified: most working people get paid only a fraction of what their work is actually worth. I’m no Stalinist either, but on this point Marx was clearly on to something. If I get paid $5 an hour for widgets that end up being sold for $10, half the value of my work goes into someone else’s pocket. Why should I accept that? The problem of redistribution would largely go away if I was never relieved of the full value of my work to begin with, but the modern corporation makes that impossible. The alternative is worker ownership: if companies were owned by the people who worked there, then they would have a hand in determining their own fate instead of being a football in someone else’s game. Owning your own workplace, or at least a share in it, should be as basic and widespread as owning your own home.

      • elysianfield October 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm #

        Interesting concept in taxing the means of production(capital equipment). Why not a graduated business tax that reduces in direct proportion to the number of those Americans employed by the taxed entity?what we really want is full employment…not a new revenue stream for the Feds. The Government would not lose money due to new taxpayers on the roles…the business could end up paying no taxes at all. The Government could manipulate the gross profits/employment percentage to make it viable…the savings to the companies would be over and above the direct write-off of employment wages/taxes. Yes?

      • bibliomaniac October 3, 2016 at 9:10 pm #

        China already has over 30 million men without wives because of their brilliant 1-child policy. I understand these guys are becoming
        somewhat frustrated and violent. Never mind the Yuan; the problem might be too much testosterone.

  37. amb October 3, 2016 at 2:19 pm #

    Really doesn’t matter who is elected president.

    Our government, financial and cultural systems are equal to a runaway train.

    Thinking that some individual or party can change or turn anything around is ludicrous.

    The system is unstoppable until it crashes.

    No one knows what track we will veer onto, whether we’ll derail (or when) and where and when we’ll crash.

    Just get out of the bread/circuses trap they have you in; do your best to flourish and prosper; take care of your family and friends; build cushions and reserves of wealth, skills and community; and make yourself strong and resilient in order to deal with whatever comes upon us.

    • mastman23 October 3, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

      History repeats itself. The west will collapse into depression then war will be the tool to cover up the political mess that has evolved since WW2. Populations need culling, money has to be rediscovered and of course banks have to stay on top of the smaller heap that will be left afterwards as the slave masters of the NWO

    • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

      Your’s is the best comment so far today. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

  38. peakfuture October 3, 2016 at 2:45 pm #

    DurangoKid – It is the implementation that is the tricky part. How people with billions could or would give up their wealth is not clear. The reset might only come with a clean slate, and that clean slate part is the scary thing. What will it take? It may be that this happens organically; maybe you can’t have wealth and power accumulate to the stratospheric levels we have seen without fossil fuels, so this happens naturally. In the past, though, there were kings and other leaders who had a lot of power, but not like the power that exists today.

    JMG’s “Star’s Reach”, and his recent fiction on Retrotopia bring up some of these issues, as does JMG himself in the WMBH series. You will probably always have the Stephen Bullocks of the world; legislating against that seems impossible.

    Amb – Amen to that.

    • messianicdruid October 3, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

      “In the past, though, there were kings and other leaders who had a lot of power, but not like the power that exists today.”

      Today’s power is fraud. Ignore the fraud and you can ignore the power.

    • DurangoKid October 3, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

      In the Long Emergency elites may learn the hard truth that you can’t eat money. A monetary collapse could wipe them out of cash and equities and society may not be stable enough for them to maintain their claims on real property and chattels. We can hope.

      One thing I think we’ve learned over the past 200-odd years is that a constitutional government can function well. The rule of law is always better than the rule of people. The rub has been how the constitutional process hasn’t kept up with changes in technology that have given rise to another round of dynastic wealth. Progressive taxation based on one’s ability to pay is not spelled out in the constitution. Neither are any restrictions on the externalities resulting from mass production. Another glaring deficit is the courts ruling on corporate personhood. As we now see, this should have been prohibited under the constitution in an article that sets for the rights and duties of natural persons as opposed to fictional profit seeking entities. We could have avoided a lot of problems that way.

      Another would have been a prohibition on the issuance of money by private concerns like the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve lending by banks in general. As long as the banking sector controls credit and the issue of money, it doesn’t really mater who makes the laws.

      Again, we need to start floating ideas for a new constitution because when the need arises the ideas of the day will likely be the source of the laws of tomorrow.

      • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 6:48 pm #

        In the Long Emergency elites may learn the hard truth that you can’t eat money.
        I do not like the term ‘Elite’ [and its opposite, consumer].

        The very rich, well, Forbes bought a Greek Isle. Ellison bought 98% of Lanai, Hawaii. Mark ‘build bridges, commoners’ Zuck has his walled estate and his place in Hawaii. Steve Case bought 2000? acres in hawaii.
        Get the picture?

        you can’t eat money—no one ever told me I could.

  39. Ishabaka October 3, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

    All Trump had to do was show up, and appear calm and polite for 90 minutes – he was unable to do it.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

      He is the attacker – that is his position in this. Hillary’s job is to remain calm and poised. That being said, Trump spent the last week going after a Columbian Prostitute – making himself look ridiculous. He took the poisonous bait proffered by the Hillary camp.

      • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

        Did you learn of the farmer in Africa who let a large group of Refugees stay at the WHITE farmers farm?

        Guess what happened?
        No the farmers werent killed.

  40. mastman23 October 3, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

    Jim has predicted the sky is falling for so long he should look up . You can see the sky anymore for the Chem-trails!. To wish the Clinton Crime Syndicate on this country for any reason is just plain bad judgement.

    Jim maybe sees that Hilary will finally bring his Long predicted emergency to reality. Some people it seems are just tired of living and stuck in failed predictions of our future

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    • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 6:49 pm #

      Cant see.
      Yes, I get reports from various places, worldwide. Chemtrails.

      You tube— Dane Wiggington.

  41. Fiesta Cranberry October 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

    “The idea is that the winner of the presidential election is sure to be the biggest loser because the global economy is in the process of tanking, Long Emergency style, and the global finance system is going down with it.”

    Pfft. Why stop with the economy? Bring the whole thing down…vote for Cthulu in 2016! Because NO lives matter.

  42. Cold N. Holefield October 3, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

    wpa said: I predict 16 years of Clintons in the White House. Eight Hillary and eight Chelsea. Then it will be time for another Bush term. But collapse will be avoided at all costs through QE-infinity… or, once again, the threat of collapse will be used for another round of bank bailouts and stimulus packages benefiting the private sector.

    Every now & then you let the REAL YOU slip through. This is one of those times with this excellent & witty comment. Don ‘t let this compliment go to your head, by the way.

    FYI, private sector and public sector are pretty much one and the same these days. There isn’t much of a distinction since Government is now a division of Big Business.

    Where’s dannyboy? Was he a prototype and now they’re building the real thing that will be rolled out shortly? If so, I’m honored to have been one of the people selected who got to test the latest and greatest artificial intelligence. The future is going to be such fun. Soon enough, they’ll have applications that allow you to put on some VR Goggles and have a session with your favorite Psychotherapist for a fraction of what it costs now. Hell, I have no idea what a Psychotherapist costs now, but I would imagine it’s several hundred dollars a session for a “good” one. I bet Woody Allen pays at least that much, maybe more.

    • dannyboy October 4, 2016 at 1:45 pm #

      “Where’s dannyboy?”

      enjoying himself

      • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

        Welcome back.

        Now stop slacking and start snarking. You’re already a week behind.

        • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 12:13 pm #

          i got plenty of requests, CFN ain’t the only game in town.

          gotta leave ’em wanting more.

  43. wpa_ccc October 3, 2016 at 3:17 pm #

    The Donald J. Trump Foundation is being ordered to cease its activities in New York state by Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

    The charity was not properly registered under state law to conduct its activities and solicit donations, according to Schneiderman’s office.

    “The Trump Foundation must immediately cease soliciting contributions or engaging in any other fund-raising activities in New York,” wrote James Sheehan, head of the NYS Attorney General’s Office Charities Bureau, in a letter sent Friday and released Monday.

    So, why does Trump get a letter and 15 days to remedy the violation of law, instead of an indictment for fraudulent theft, waste, and abuse of donors?

  44. Myrmecia October 3, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

    • A vote for Trump will be a disaster for America
    [As none of his major promises can be kept and the people who elected him to implement his promises will turn on him nastily by 2019].

    • A vote for Clinton will be a catastrophe for the world
    [As Clinton is in lock-step with the military-industrial complex and they are itching for war. She’ll deliver for them.]

    Trump, for all his faults, will negotiate a deal with Mr Putin that will ensure peace in our time – with just a little give-and-take on the edge of Eastern Europe and the Ukraine.
    Vote wisely, America
    Keith Thomas

  45. InquiringMind October 3, 2016 at 5:20 pm #

    Well,…..As much as it DOES seem like karma to let the Bush/Clinton “thingy” be left responsible for what could be coming to the economy and living style of the USA I just CAN”T let my vote be one that could contribute to a war …especially a mix up with Russia. I have no beef with them.

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  46. trypillian October 3, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

    Fortunately, Madame President will purge the chicanery with an array of accidental enemas. Unfortunately, chemtrails and global heating will cause extinction of the naked ape anyways.

  47. Armata October 3, 2016 at 6:22 pm #

    As much as I dislike and distrust the Queen of Corruption and Sleaze, at this point, Jim’s answer probably makes the most sense. Lets get Crooked Hillary into the White House and let her and her fellow neocons, limousine liberals and Wall Street shills take the blame when the bottom falls out. That’ really saying something, because personally, I can’t stand her and think she would be a disaster as President. What a choice! Most presidential elections end up being a choice between the lesser of two evils, but this really, really sucks.

    I was hoping Trump could show himself to be a serious candidate after winning the primaries, but he hasn’t and instead just makes himself look like an every bigger idiot every time he opens his mouth or logs on to Twitter. I mean, doubling down on an ill-advised comment he made about a beauty queen many years ago and got called on by Crooked Hillary during the so-called “debate” by getting into a fracking Twitter war? Really? Seriously?

    I had also seriously considered voting for Johnson or Green, but just can’t do it for the reasons stated in the post. So yah, Crooked Hillary for president and get ready for some serious fireworks even before she takes office.

    • Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

      That assumes that they will let it implode on her watch. The new order maintains their order first and foremost. Any orchestrated systemic failure will be instigated for the purge of their opposition. In other words, a vote for the order is a vote to keep the marionettes and parlor tricks in motion, and not to see if they can contain their purge of Trump… or watch their enrichment system crumble


    • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm #

      Your attitude is unfortunate. Our moral and ethical state has not kept up with our advancing technology. We must evolve socially to keep pace with our scientific progress in order to survive. By voting for anyone who has not evolved in any manner of goodness, you are helping impede our social evolution – and time is running out.

      • Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 8:31 pm #

        I heard stories of heaven from various religious types. They all include perfect worlds free of pain, free of fear and free of choice. Imagining day without night.
        Your heaven is social evolution.
        And it is hell.

        • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 9:06 pm #

          Really? I have no religious beliefs whatsoever, so for me there is no hell. Likewise, there is no heaven, either, so telling me what I consider heaven is meaningless.

          I know people and I know what life is like, but I also know that change is a constant in the universe. Therefore, humanity and life can change (evolve), so my outlook is generally positive. From reading your past posts, my religious beliefs seem to be pretty much the same as your’s, but your outlook appears to be much more bleak than mine. I don’t think in terms of perfection and happiness, but in peace of mind. Kind of like Siddhartha. I admit I’m still not at that point, but I’m getting there.

          • Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

            Evolve is to change.
            Change the nature
            This is desire
            And is not the way

          • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 7:42 pm #

            bean, if you are referencing Siddartha, then you are following the scent of a much higher religion than what the Abrahamic religions have to offer.

            You DO have religious beliefs. You just haven’t discovered what your vibrations harmonize with, yet. But, you have picked up the scent by mentioning Siddartha in a favorable way.

            I would suggest reading the Bhagavad Gita. It offers a PhD level of spiritual and religious education. In comparison, the Abrahamic religions are Cliffs Notes; mixed with questionable material.

  48. Henry October 3, 2016 at 6:24 pm #

    As someone who is in his early 20’s I sometimes ponder: how good is life when there is hope for a future? It’s quite a foreign feeling to people my age.

    I’m barely able to keep my sanity day to day. Constantly fluctuating between rage/disgust at the compliant segments of the baby-boomer generation and despair/heart-break for the world.

    But it’s comforting to know that there are some concerned older folks out there thinking, advising, fighting for and guiding us younger people.

    Heart felt thanks to Mr.Kunstler

    • malthuss October 3, 2016 at 6:53 pm #

      There is a cliche, every generation has a [$$$] depression.
      I dont see a way out of this one.
      The salient thing is the growth of population.

      Overpopulation — a problem in industrialized nations.
      And it is increasing in population through immigration.
      They aren’t even maintaining population at a steady rate of replacement.

      The “overpopulation” argument should be —
      that it is the responsibility nations to control their population but not allowing immigration and to practice self-sufficiency by not trading with nations whose standards for pollution are not equal to their own.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 7:10 pm #

        Yes, those nations that over-populate must be left to their fate: death by starvation and disease. To allow Black Africa to conquer the world by their laziness, stupidity, and lust is just madness.

        • Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 9:19 pm #

          Wrong. They come here and win Emmys after complaining that they get typecast as cabbies and 7-Eleven attendants. Their spouses get work permits after complaining that they shouldn’t be forced to stay at home on a nonimmigrant visa. One overcrowded subcontinent is not enough. They are a minority here, but not out here, and not for long.

          • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 1:03 am #

            ‘Not out here’– whats that mean?

        • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 1:08 am #

          Because liberals refuse to drop their belief in magic brain theory.
          Hence ‘equality’ and ‘they’ are breeding like rats, as the saying goes.

      • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 7:46 pm #

        The unbalance between population and available resources of various types is what will ultimately bring us down, if in fact we do go down.

    • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 7:31 pm #

      When I was your age I, too, raged against the willful blindness and sheer stupidity of the older (ruling) generation. Now that I’m part of that stupid, distracted, drugged and hypnotized generation, I still rage against their willful blindness. Sorry to have to tell you that’s how it’s probably going to be for you, too.

      Any bright person can see that the system has failed – mainly because of the above traits.

  49. Janos Skorenzy October 3, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

    White gets stripped, a broken jaw, and a concussion from BLM – but still thinks they’re great. This is what we’re up against, some kind of weird genetic flaw or mutation that makes us so gullible. And then we defend our gullibility with self righteous fanaticism.


    If Whites thought this way about American Indians who tortured White prisoners to death, we would have never conquered this continent.

  50. Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm #

    Censored… again. Racism, bigotry, misogyny… all pales to the effrontery of questioning the logic presented here that would have one cast their vote for Hillary and the Order that produces her and the system, so lamented here, that she propagates. The siphon is not content aiming for your wallet, but for your brain matter as well.

    The Trump vote is precisely for the pulling of the pin, the sledgehammer through Big Brother. Those content with Hillary would persist to endure subjugation rather than confront the dread and suffering of rebirth.

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    • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm #

      I haven’t voted in a presidential election in 48 years, so I no doubt won’t vote for the current batch of losers.

    • elysianfield October 4, 2016 at 11:05 am #

      “The Trump vote is precisely for the pulling of the pin, the sledgehammer through Big Brother”

      EXACTLY! A vote for Trump is a bit of sanctioned anarchy. The Media, Wall Street, Bankers, and much of the Republican Party hates, fears and loathes him…what more do you need? What more could we ask?

      “In your guts, you know he’s nuts”.

  51. BackRowHeckler October 3, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

    Jim, so what you are saying … might as well have this enfeebled old hag — a member of the vaunted ‘Baby Boomer’ generation — in office when this whole goddam thing goes down?

    Sounds ok to me.


  52. InquiringMind October 3, 2016 at 8:48 pm #

    Wait a minute folks! There is a vice-presidential debate tomorrow…and I am interested for this reason…

    Pence vs. Kaine

    The reason this is interesting is…I have heard Hillery’s pick for her running mate is ALL about approval of the T P P !!!

    Yes Kaine would probably ram it right on through if Hillery were to later take a turn for the worse ,… later…. when she is in the White House.

    If she really is seriously ill he will have to step up and if he passes the TPP jt could mean more job trouble for young Americans,

    I have read that nation states would not be able to see what was in the paperwork of this trade deal for several years after it passed even if they signed on to it. !!!!! What about their sovereignty. ????

    The European union has caused Greece misery after they got on board with them (the E U )…and the brave British had to “chew off their own paw” to escape from what they perceived was a trap set to destroy their national boundaries and culture!!!

    ARE global vested interests out to rope in our nation the same way?

    First they take away people’s means to defend themselves …
    Then they send in hoards of refugees …and …they aren’t well vetted.
    And they say good luck after they spend money to support these people …

    Money, that they then say they don’t have enough of to ..help the populations of that country already there….


    Hillery and Kaine serve the Global vested interests.

    This is the real reason I cant support them.

  53. DrGonzo October 3, 2016 at 9:11 pm #

    I used to like this web page, but JHK and most posters seem to have evolved into an incessant whining noise, rather reminiscent of a revved-out Kawasaki 120 with a broken muffler.

    No one seems to have any useful solutions to propose, and no one seems to be able to see ANY glass as being even half-full: not the violent crime rate (which has plunged over the last 20 years), not the teen pregnancy rate (which has also fallen substantially), not the closure of private federal prisons nor the successes of the CFPB nor an economy that, while disappointing, has finally climbed out of the ditch that Bush drove us into.

    Instead, a disturbing number of posters here seem to be pining for the good oil’ days when darkies knew their place, and (white) politicians were mythically altruistic.


    Geez, can you guys even hear yourselves? (And clearly you are mostly guys)

    Your site is starting to creep me out, JHK. I’m no Pollyanna — I agree we’ve got a helluva lot of work to do in this country to transition into an economically and ecologically sustainable society. But the constant whine if racist pessimism that has taken over this page is probably not a productive way to help us get there. Like it or not, we’re in this together.

    (Sure, go ahead and censor my post, JHK. I know it doesn’t align with your doomer worldview.)

    • beantownbill. October 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm #

      If you’ve read any of my posts, you’d see I’ve always complained here about the lack of proposed solutions to our issues; I’m not a doom and gloomer. There are some others like me, but not too many in CFN. Instead, the dialogue has mainly been hijacked by anti-black, anti-Semitic haters and the commenters who foolishly respond to their posts. Life can be very tough, and I believe many individuals were never taught how to think positively, so I’m not surprised at the negative attitudes.

      • BackRowHeckler October 3, 2016 at 11:17 pm #

        Bill, I think the whole point is, there aren’t any solutions, except to view the situation honestly, without self deception, and live within our means. That’s what I try to do anyway, but I’ll admit, when you eliminate the lies, hyperbole and BS, life can seem pretty dull.


    • Frankiti October 3, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

      They only like to dream of the salvation offered from a world made by hand; the fantasy. You see, you stumbled into a realm of internet cosplay. People prepping for a financial collapse. Rooting for it. Writing about it. Peddling it.

      Feeding off the Dungeon Master’s pronouncements.

      They sure as f*** don’t want to live it.

      That would reality.
      They crave fantasy.

      • DrGonzo October 3, 2016 at 11:35 pm #

        Nice post. Maybe there is hope here after all for something more positive to spring from these dark ashes.

        • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 11:07 am #

          I for one do what I can to push back against the bigotry, racism and anti-Semitism in this forum, and generally to contribute positively. But gosh darn it, sometimes the temptation to feed the trolls just gets the better of me. As Morgan Freeman said in Se7en, it’s impressive to see a man feed on his emotions.

    • routersurfer October 4, 2016 at 6:27 pm #

      I agree we have solutions . But not for 6 billion + hairless monkeys. It is not really doom and gloom. It is fact. We did the eco friendly farm pre carbon. Remember how that turned out?? famine walked the lands. Humans over populate then died off. Age old problem. No new lands to steal. So this will be the Big Old. That are a World War which my delay it. Or be a mercy killing for us all.

  54. bukowskisghost October 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm #

    Pray the housing and stock bubble continue for a while and deflate slowly…. pray for a soft collapse… I’m sure all the think tanks have been working on this for many a year. Soft collapse is good for all of us. I have children and grandchildren I love and a step down collapse is what I pray for….. like a long bad marriage, you lose money, friends and some psychological stability for a while, then you slowly build up your self respect, confidence and discover who your real friends are. Let the thieves hide on their real estate or inside their bunkers and let the country move forward by baby steps.

    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 1:07 am #

      Deflate into what?

      Bama has doubled the national debt.

      Collapse may be slow or swift but its not pretty or orderly.

  55. Pucker October 4, 2016 at 12:45 am #

    Chelsea Clinton is paid an annual salary of US $600,000 per year as an executive of the Clinton Foundation. Chelsea and her hedge fund hubby recently stayed at an exclusive resort on Providentiales Island in the Turks and Caicos in a bedroom villa that costs US$34,000 per night.

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    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 12:52 am #

      And you are surprised????

      Her hubby lost a lot of peoples money, yes?

      (((hedge fund guy))).

  56. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 12:51 am #

    Bean town, my responses countering racist anti Semitic comments have been deleted today, so your wish that the site be monitored has come true… in favor of racism and anti semitism.

    • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

      What??? Is this true, Mr. JHK?

      wpa_ccc is the VOICE of the Racist anti-White New Left and the Frankfurt School which spawned that intellectual cancer. By censoring her true voice, we cannot know the full extent of her madness. Let her rant on that CFN readers may confirm her insanity.

      She represents the faculty mindset of her Women’s Studies Department at Mount Holyoke. At first, I thought she taught at Bryn Mawr but, somebody proffered a more likely place. We have to know the full racist and sexist mindset of such a misandric bigot as wpa_ccc. Let her spew forth!

      In addition to her faculty responsibilities, she trolls for the Ministry of Truth and represents INGSOC on this forum. She has won awards for her tireless agitation and effective baiting of thoughtcriminals. Thus making the thoughtpolice’s job easier.

  57. Pucker October 4, 2016 at 12:54 am #

    Do recall the scene in the movie “Jaws” in which an insane, obsessed Captain Quint (Hillary) burns out the boat engine trying to lead the Great White Shark into shallow water in order to drown the shark?

    JHK interjects: “Maybe we should just let Quint burn out the engine so that the giant monster shark can eat everybody?”

    • FincaInTheMountains October 4, 2016 at 7:02 am #

      Mr. Pucker, I am totally with you in this regard. I can’t find proper words to express my deepest disappointment.

  58. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 1:00 am #


    In 2004, a year before Trump’s illegal campaign donations, Trump had signed a secret deal with developers to license his name to the Trump Tower Tampa, a luxury high-rise. Three years after the deal, in 2007, the developers abandoned the plans and declared bankruptcy — but not before Trump and his partners had collected millions of dollars in down payments from people who thought they were buying a dream home in Florida. The tower was never built.

    The wall will never be built but you and I will pay for it, not Mexico. The money will go directly to Trump.Think of how much he can steal from us from the White House! JHK has a point: vote for Hillary.

  59. FincaInTheMountains October 4, 2016 at 6:54 am #

    Russian plutonium ultimatum

    President Putin signed a decree suspending the US-Russian agreement on plutonium disposition. Renewal of the agreement is possible with the lifting of sanctions and the implementation of several more unlikely implementable conditions. Experts call it a new round of undeclared Cold War.

    due to the fundamental change in the circumstances of a threat to strategic stability as a result of the United States hostile actions against the Russian Federation and the United States failure to comply with the obligations assumed by the disposition of surplus weapons-grade plutonium, in accordance with international treaties, as well as based on the need for urgent action for the protection of the security of the Russian Federation

    Terms of return to the agreement referred to in the explanatory note to the bill. Total of five conditions and four of them are practically unfeasible at the present stage of Russian-American relations.

    Russia demands the reduction of the American contingent in the NATO countries to the level of 2000, the US refusal of “hostile policy” toward Russia, the abolition of the ” Magnitsky law”, lifting of US sanctions and compensation of damages to Russia from illegal sanctions, as well as providing a clear plan for plutonium disposition by American side.


    In Russia, for the purposes of plutonium utilization, in Zheleznogorsk (Krasnoyarsk region) was built a plant for processing plutonium and reactor BN-800 of Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Plant was put into commission using re-processed weapons-grade plutonium.

    The United States considered this method as too expensive and suspended construction of a similar complex in South Carolina. Head of Rosatom Sergey Kiriyenko in an interview with NTV estimated the cost of construction of the Russian plant at $240 million. He estimated that Americans spent $7 billion on the failed plant in South Carolina.

    • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 1:17 pm #

      Russia doesn’t have endless layers of parasites along the entire supply, financing, and regulatory chain to feed before the first nail is driven in a nuclear fuel processing plant. That is how Russia can build something for $240 million and the U.S. gives up after squandering $7 billion.

      It’s no mystery how much the Pentagon wastes but, how much of that money actually supports our ability to project power??? What is ZOG Amerika’s actual end-strength i.e. of all the people in the military, how much can actually be deployed in the service of the Empire? Not as much as you’d think.

      It would appear that Russia gets more military mileage out of every ruble and ZOG Amerika feeds more wealthy parasites out of every defense dollar. Russia is prepared for real war and Washington is already waging war on what’s left of its hetero-normative personnel.

    • routersurfer October 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

      I think we would find Russia has done even worse than the USA with protecting the ecosystem we have to share with Nukes.

  60. lsjogren October 4, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    You never know how long a pyramid scheme is going to last. The economy is propped up by cheap oil, low interest rates set by central banks, and unsustainable deficit spending.

    Sooner or later some poor sucker in the White House is going to find him or herself holding the bag when the thing finally crashes.

    But it’s not necessarily going to happen in the next 4 years.

    And the economic policies of HIllary and Trump are both totally geared toward doing whatever they can to see that the bubble keeps blowing and that the crash comes down the road after they are out of office.

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    • wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 10:41 am #

      Exactly. The same as every president after Hillary. Nobody wants to become Hoover 2.

  61. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 10:58 am #

    Journalist Timothy L. O’Brien, author of TrumpNation, said sources within Trump’s company a dozen years ago told him Trump was worth between $150 million and $250 million ? at a time Trump was claiming a net worth of $6 billion. (Trump sued O’Brien over the book for defamation and lost.)

    Whatever the precise number, the source of Trump’s wealth, the uncertainty of his current net worth, the recent revelation that he declared $916 million in tax losses in 1995, and his refusal to release his tax returns could eat away at the image he has peddled of himself as a successful multi-billionaire.

    Of course, if Americans are looking for an actual self-made multi-billionaire, there is one. Warren Buffett was worth about $40 million in 1974. He’s worth about $70 billion today ? at least 14 times Trump’s net worth.

    • michael October 5, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

      And exactly what has Buffet built?

  62. elysianfield October 4, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

    Ladies and Germs…

    Well, today is the big day…Julius Assange promises the October Surprise that will possibly impact the election. Hillary’s Emails will be released…at least the juicy ones, and maybe other surprises! I’m giddy with anticipation….

    Of course, I should mention, with a nod to Beantown, Bukowski, Gonzo and others of the glass half-full crowd, that it may be nothing more than videos of kittens and goofy puppies…you never know.

    • elysianfield October 4, 2016 at 12:22 pm #

      Assange, in his press conference, stated that, over the next several weeks, parcels of information will be dispensed weekly…leading up to the US election. Considering the attention span of the voter and needs of the news cycle, probably wise.

  63. Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 12:48 pm #

    Of all the US corporate and personal tax returns (federal, state and local) ever filed since the beginning of time, how many do you imagine deliberately paid even one penny MORE than was necessary based on the filer’s and his accountant’s understanding of applicable tax code?

    Correct. The answer is Zero.

    I find the flap over Trump’s $916M business operating loss infuriating. It permitted him, we are told, to offset future income and to, thus, pay zero taxes for 18 years. Why has no one in the media asked the most
    obvious question? Was Trump’s tax return audited by the IRS? (I cannot imagine that it was not.) and, if so, what was the result? Apparently it was deemed legit. End of story.

    Questioning Trump’s competency as a businessman (for losing $916M in one year) is an entirely different issue.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 1:11 pm #

      Agreed. The discussion should be about the ridiculous loopholes in the tax code for the Wealthy Elite and their cadres of Tax Attorneys. What do Hillary & Trump plan to do about that? Carly Fiorina promised to reduce the tax code to three pages and eliminate all the loopholes. She was laughed off the stage by Trump & his Stooge Followers.

      • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 4:09 pm #

        This is not a ‘loophole,” nor is it ridiculous, nor is it tax code only “for the Wealthy Elite and their cadres of Tax Attorneys” given our income-based tax system.

        An article in the NYT says the tax code that Trump’s return invoked (and the returns of more than 500,000 other individuals in year 1995) has existed since 1918. Further, the article says:

        It was enacted to prevent businesses from being penalized by the administrative convenience of calendar-year taxation: If a company loses $100,000 one year, and makes $100,000 the following year, the law allows the company to pay nothing in taxes, as it has only broken even.

        There is nothing unusual about business losses appearing on a personal tax return. Most American businesses are organized as “pass-throughs,” rather than corporations, meaning their profits are passed through to their owners, and taxed as personal income. Losses are passed through, too.

        “It’s good policy,” said Alan Cole, an economist at the conservative Tax Foundation. “This is just the astounding edge case that has everyone’s bulging as they look at that number.

        Personally, I favor scrapping the entire income based tax system and going to a single rate system applied to all consumption.

        (Please do not start telling me “buh but BUT, that would be REGRESSIVE.” I know all about that argument.)

        • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

          eyes bulging

    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

      Once a CPA, always a CPA?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 2:58 pm #

      You’re missing the point or an important point at least: Trump is campaigning on simplifying the Tax Code and closing loop holes so guys like him can’t do this kind of thing. In other words, by his alleged standard, the IRS shouldn’t be deeming things like this “legit”.

      As he himself put it, Who knows better than I what’s wrong with the system? I’m hoping that he’s sincere, but of course, I can’t prove it. What about you? Are you now mad enough to give him a protest vote?

  64. Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

    How’s THIS for ILL-ogic:

    wpAsoka says: “The wall will never be built but you and I will pay for it, not Mexico.”

    Got that? NO wall, but we’ll pay for it.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

      Ummmm….yes, I got it, but you didn’t. If you read wpa’s example, he’s saying Trump has a habit of taking people’s money and then pocketing it and not delivering on his promises. So, Trump will pay his contractor friends to build a wall with taxpayer dollars, but the wall will never really be built. It will be deferred until he’s no longer POTUS but the money would be collected and disbursed. It would be pure profit to him and his cronies. I’m sure his buddies will find a way to stash away his cut in some foreign bank account for collection at a later date.

    • wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

      Q., you evidently did not read the post about Trump Towers Tampa. They were never built but Trump kept their money. No towers that they paid for. Trump has a history of theft.

      No wall will be built, but Trump will get the money from us anyway, jus like he did in Tampa.

      • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

        No, you’re wrong. I read your entire comment about Trump Towers Tampa. There were scant details but from what you DID say I gather that Trump made a deal with some developers to license his name for their project. They paid him for this license and then subsequently went bankrupt.

        Do you have details about the terms of that name licensing agreement? Do you think it says “In the event developer X goes bankrupt at some future date, Donald J. Trump agrees to refund the name licensing fee.”

        Get a grip Asoka.

        • wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 4:45 pm #

          My understanding is people made advance down payments for property purchase, not a licensing fee. When the project flopped, Trump stole the money. Like thousands he has stolen from, your only recourse is to spend more money on lawyers… if you can afford them.

          • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

            It’s like abortion. I support a women’s right to one, but if she abuses that right and uses it as birth control, as some women do, it’s abominable… – Cold


            There’s a recent episode of “Shameless” (Starring William H Macy and others; I really don’t like this show since every character in it is fucked up in one way or another) where a black woman says to a white female friend, “I’ve had so many abortions I get the next one free.”

            I have to admit, I laughed my ass off.

          • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

            This may well be true – I have no idea – but it is completely different than what you wrote before.

  65. Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

    I’m extremely confident that the Pentagon’s Information Operations Task Force is active in this comments section. They are Cowards. They are Traitors. They are engaging in Treason, and if I was POTUS, guess what I would do about this Task Force and the people who comprise it, who ordered and condoned its formation & malevolent activities, past & present? Needless to say, in the least they would be stripped of all military honors and their American Citizenship would be revoked. They would then be transported to Somalia & deposited with nothing but a mini skirt and high heels to their dishonored name. Then and only then, will they understand the repercussions of their malevolence all these years when they acted with impunity as though they were beyond reproach. These Inhuman Sadists are not fighting the Good Fight. Any decent person with principles and a conscience should proclaim that this Task Force and other Entities just like it are undemocratic and not in our name and not on our behalf. We must renounce such abominations. We must disown it. We must insist it be dissolved and those who created it and are operating it and have operated it be held to account for War Crimes just as the Nazis were after WWII. Instead, what I’m witnessing as part of my research is, Scumbags who have been part of this illegal & undemocratic activity are highly rewarded after they leave the military. Many become Communications Directors & PR Pricks. Which candidate for POTUS do you think will address this pressing issue? If you chose “C.) None of the Above”, you chose correctly.

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    • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 2:53 pm #

      Cold sez: “I’m extremely confident that the Pentagon’s Information Operations Task Force is active in this comments section.”


      Well, I’m extremely confident that you’re paranoid as all hell and that the Pentagon’s Information Operations Task Force has bigger fish to fry than worrying about what a bunch of loons are saying on some obscure blog.

      What prompted your comment, Cold? Did they break into your car and fiddle with your windshield wipers AGAIN? Hahahahaha. Cold, you are such a card!

      • wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 3:00 pm #

        Agree, completely. No one here is dangerous. Blowing hot air is not enough to draw the attention of PIOTF.

        • michael October 5, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

          Are you really that naive?

          It costs nothing today to syphon off all comments anywhere and store them in a database. Storage is very cheap.
          Then the information is processed in steps by software, repeatedly reclassified, and kicked up to a higher level of scrutiny when it has passed the current filter.

          Everybody on this board is in several such databases.
          Your life is archived in more detail than you yourself remember.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm #

        What happened with you guys? You used to be “close”. What did you say that made him turn against you?

        Cars should become more like robots that can defend themselves if monkeyed with. Alarums are fine, but there should be an offensive aspect as well – perhaps electrical shocks and taking pictures of the perp, then forwarded to the authorities.

  66. AHtheHumanity October 4, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

    What coronation marching music should be played from our cell phones during the inauguration of Hillary r. Clinton?

  67. volodya October 4, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

    Re Trump’s tax losses

    The same media and the same liberal intelligentsia that play up their own sophistication and knowledge make me laugh. Their discussion on this latest Trump issue is ASTOUNDINGLY ignorant. It shows ASTOUNDING and child-like financial innumeracy. Not just a wee bit of ignorance because after all not everyone is a tax expert (not even tax experts, given the inordinate complexity of tax law). No, the discussion around this matter is out and out STOOPID.

    There’s nothing complicated about incurring losses in a business year and using those losses to offset income in other years. You shake your head. Is really possible that these high and mighty pundits are THAT fucked in the head?

    “Tax loophole” one of them said.

    You weep. No, this isn’t a “loop-hole” ie an unintended consequence in the law or an oversight in how the law was written. Or maybe a “loop-hole” in the sense of an obscure provision that only high-powered tax attorneys would know about. No, sorry, this was legislated in the full, glaring light of day, it was fully intended to set up the law this way, in fact, it’s been in place since Christ was in shorts.

    Or are they just playing stupid? Some of these clowns, while knowing nothing about the guts of Trump’s tax affairs, suggest by their tone and manner that this thing is sneaky and oily and underhanded.

    As Q sez the the IRS likely audited Trump up the ying-yang. If the loss was on the level, then what Trump did was to comply with tax laws as they are written. And that has to be Trump’s answer to all the bug-eyed outrage (both fake and genuine).

    I mean, was Hillary not a United States Senator, so as such, was she not in a position (in such an august role) to campaign to re-write such objectionable tax laws? The same goes for Obama. He’s been there 8 years. Not a peep from him about tax loss carry-overs. Have you heard anything? I haven’t. If such stuff is so reprehensible then fucking change the laws.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

      So can one do this forever – putting the losses off into the future? Sounds like more credit – always mortgaging the present to the future.

      Mort Gage means date with death. The price will be paid, sooner or later. Why pass it off to others and the next generation? Why not make the perpetrators of the debt pay up before they die?

      I agree the hypocrisy is complete. Why pick on Trump? The Clintons include used underwear in their tax write offs.

  68. volodya October 4, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

    OMG, hahahahaha,

    I’m reading that Bill Clinton came out against Obamacare. Not with mildly worded “concerns”, nope, this is squatting down and crapping on it.

    You can’t make this up. Somebody in the DNC – or Hillary herself if she’s still talking to him – should tell him to shut his hole. And they talk about Trump being a loose cannon. Jesus.

    • wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

      Once again, you miss the main point: Bill is not running for president. He can say whatever he wants. It doesn’t matter. Hillary is the anointed one.

      • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:30 pm #

        Once again, you miss the main point: Bill is not running for president. – wpa


        What about ‘Malaria’ Trump and her plagiarized speech. You must have brought that up a dozen times.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

      Yes, as a half way normal man (though a sex criminal who enjoys biting thru women’s lips) he naturally hates Hill, his lesser half and would be ball and chain.

      Few men have been more successful in circumventing their ball chain gorgon. For that, kudos Bill.

      You sound like you’re still a Hillary supporter. Hope I’m wrong. Get on board the Trump Train and don’t look back.

      We owe much to all the women who have drained Bill of his life, either voluntarily or involuntarily, often at great cost to themselves. The latest is the Energizer Bunny. They are all heroes, every one of them, including Monica. Without them, this mighty Sith Lord might well still be going strong. He is the Secret Son of one of the world economic elite. With a superb physique and the best medical care, there is not telling how long he might have lived if celibate.

    • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 4:45 pm #

      Not with mildly worded “concerns”, nope, this is squatting down and crapping on it. – Volodya


      I laughed uncontrollably at ^this^ line.

      It reminded me of the worst hot water I was ever in at work. My boss asked me to do a somewhat unusual audit to see if our company Subcontract Administrators were adhering to various procurement regulations that would pass muster with the government (DCAA and DCAS).

      I made the rounds, looked a certain paperwork, interviewed/ questioned the SC Administrators and went back to my desk and wrote up my findings. My boss wasn’t available to review my report so I went ahead and published it to management. When Mot Sregdor saw it he went ballistic. He called me in his office…..his key remark was “Do you know what you have done??!?! You have just pissed on our entire system.”

      I always was honest to a fault in my work.

  69. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

    “how many do you imagine deliberately paid even one penny MORE than was necessary based on the filer’s and his accountant’s understanding of applicable tax code? Zero.” — Q.

    You are wrong, Q. Many, many people believe in this country and voluntarily make contributions, gifts to be exact, to the US Treasury above and beyond their tax liability.


    Q., et al., why do y’all believe it is stupid to pay more than required in taxes, but you honor those who give their lives for the US government by joining the armed forces. Is money more important than life?

    • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

      You are wrong, Q. Many, many people believe in this country and voluntarily make contributions, gifts to be exact, to the US Treasury above and beyond their tax liability. – wpa


      Yeah, I didn’t want to split hairs. I knew, of course, that there are always a few foolish assholes who think they’re wonderful for over-paying.

      I would never over pay since I know half of it would go to support the war machine. 😉

  70. Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 3:21 pm #


    The kid has brain damage for standing up for the Police of Facebook. But the police didn’t stand up for him. Time to put down Blue Lives Matter and pick up White Lives Matter. Good cops of all colors are included in this.

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  71. Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 3:24 pm #

    If Q. Shtik is back, I’m gone. Bye Bye.

    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

      Whye Whye?

  72. BackRowHeckler October 4, 2016 at 3:38 pm #

    Go Mets!!!


  73. Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

    Okay, I’m back after my short hiatus of twenty minutes. I had to shut off the windshield wipers in my car. They were on again. Maybe it’s a Poltergeist.

    I’ll try to ignore the slug that is Q. Shtik. In some ways, I welcome the Collapse. Q. Shtik is one of those ways. I want to see the Motherfucker get down on his hands and knees and eat dirt. I hate him that much. That’s no joke. I mean it. He is a Scumbag.

    As for the discussion about Trump’s Taxes, are you serious? You’re actually defending the ridiculous Tax Code and quibbling over whether an exception to paying your stated rate is a loophole versus a provision?

    Loophole, provision, it’s the same difference for purposes of this discussion. Once you allow an exception, it in turns creates two more exceptions that in turn create four more exceptions and on and on it goes. Guess who benefits most from all these exceptions? That’s right, the Wealthy Elite because they OWN Congress and they demand their Congressional Whores legislate these “provisions” into the Tax Code.

    Loss Carryforwards are one such provision and Too-Big-To-Fail Companies have made an art out of using this provision to their advantage — so much so, some of them, Conglomerates, will create companies under their umbrella that are designed to operate at a loss so the Conglomerate as a whole can reduce its tax burden substantially. GE is an example. It hasn’t paid taxes in years because of schemes such as exploiting the Loss Carryforward “provision.”

    As for Trump, I would hardly say it’s fair & honest that he writes off the losses concomitantly to having his debt restructured via bankruptcy laws. In otherwords, he gets the benefit of offsetting the losses against tax he pays in the future, yet he also gets the benefit, via bankruptcy laws designed to benefit the rich versus the poor, that preclude him from having to pay back his creditors in full. Once again, Trump takes the money and reneges on his promises by not paying back his creditors because of bankruptcy laws and he’s rewarded by the IRS by not having to pay taxes for the next 18 years.

    Yeah, you’re right — once a CPA always a CPA.

    Bankruptcy Laws should be changed. One Bankruptcy per person — that’s all you get as a Business Owner. The intent should be to avoid peoples’ lives from being totally ruined if they fail, not to give them a second and third and fourth and fifth chance to fail again and declare bankruptcy. It’s like abortion. I support a women’s right to one, but if she abuses that right and uses it as birth control, as some women do, it’s abominable and entirely against the sentiment of the law.

    • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:16 pm #

      It’s like abortion. I support a women’s right to one, but if she abuses that right and uses it as birth control, as some women do, it’s abominable… – Cold


      There’s a recent episode of “Shameless” (Starring William H Macy and others; I really don’t like this show since every character in it is fucked up in one way or another) where a black woman says to a white female friend, “I’ve had so many abortions I get the next one free.”

      I have to admit, I laughed my ass off.

  74. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 4:03 pm #

    For patriots who want to financially support the USA above and beyond legally required taxes:

    “Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called “Gifts to the United States.” This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

    Gifts to the United States
    U.S. Department of the Treasury
    Credit Accounting Branch
    3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
    Hyattsville, MD 20782

  75. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    Q., remember when you said people were pissing in the wind, that nobody would even remember Bridge-gate by the 4th of July 2014? It is now two years later and Bridgegate is still in the news.

    NEWARK, N.J. — Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie personally discussed how to handle the fallout from the George Washington Bridge lane closures, even agreeing to release a report covering up the incident, according to the admitted mastermind of the political revenge scheme.

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    • Q. Shtik October 4, 2016 at 5:21 pm #

      Yeah, so what? He’s still not behind bars.

  76. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 5:10 pm #


    In what may be the most cogent part of the opinion, Judge Posner repeats Pence’s assertion in legal filings: that what Pence is doing in denying payments to Exodus is not discriminatory, but

    “is based solely on the threat he thinks they pose to the safety of residents of Indiana. But that’s the equivalent of his saying (not that he does say) that he wants to forbid black people to settle in Indiana not because they’re black but because he’s afraid of them, and since race is therefore not his motive he isn’t discriminating. But that of course would be racial discrimination, just as his targeting Syrian refugees is discrimination on the basis of nationality.”

    There is one final point to the 7th Circuit opinion. States do not have to participate in the federal refugee assistance program, but the federal government is authorized to establish an alternative program, called Wilson/Fish, that distributes federal aid to refugees in a state without the involvement of the state government.

    In light of this opinion, sounds like Pence has become Trump 2.0 rather than being Trump’s savior, at least when it comes to immigration involving Syrian refugees. Tim Kaine, are you listening?

    • JimInFlorida October 4, 2016 at 7:03 pm #

      Governor Pence’s FIRST OBLIGATION is to the citizens of Indiana! NOT to Muslims that neither he, nor the people of Indiana, asked for.

      The only criticism I have of Pence is that he is too cowardly to unleash fire and brimstone against the Criminal Ruling Corporation a.k.a. “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.” that demands he take in Muslim invaders; over the objections of the beleaguered citizens of his State.

      “Racism” is the correct response against the imposition of unwanted 3rd worlders by a hostile foreign power (Washington DC). Racism in that context IS MORALLY RIGHT.

      What can Washington do to his State if he refuses? Cut off various Federal dollars to DOT projects, revenue sharing, or other Federal programs? If Pence had any balls, he’d tell the Feds to keep their filthy lucre and the people of Indiana will stop paying Federal taxes. If he spells it out to the people of Indiana, they’ll rally to the cause!

      If civil war against the Washington Crime Syndicate is inevitable, then there must be a casus belli worthy of a mass uprising and that gives clear vision of who is the enemy.

  77. Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 5:50 pm #


    Good retrospective about the mysterious man, Obama, and his presidency. It almost a complete certainty that he was born outside America, his birth certificate being utter nonsense. No one at Columbia even remembers him – did he even go there? He went to Harvard, but none of his writing are to be found. Did he write anything? One thing is clear: the way has been made clear for him at every stage. Someone reported that as a little boy he said, “I’m going to become President.” It was no idle boast.

    • malthuss October 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

      President Shithead.

  78. Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 7:28 pm #

    Q. Shtik said: I would never over pay since I know half of it would go to support the war machine. ?

    HaHa. Same here. But it raises an excellent point in another respect about Trump. By virtue of the fact, or at least the fact per the NYT, Trump didn’t pay taxes the last 18 years, it means, quite literally versus empty & ever-changing rhetoric, that he didn’t support the illegal Iraq Invasion & Occupation. Hillary did with her vote. She, and everyone else who supported it with their vote in Congress, are War Criminals since the Iraq Invasion & Occupation was Preemptive, Unprovoked, Aggressive War per the Nuremberg Standard.

  79. Cold N. Holefield October 4, 2016 at 7:38 pm #

    Q. Shtik said: There’s a recent episode of “Shameless” (Starring William H Macy and others; I really don’t like this show since every character in it is fucked up in one way or another) where a black woman says to a white female friend, “I’ve had so many abortions I get the next one free.” I have to admit, I laughed my ass off.

    I like Macy, especially in The Cooler, but that show Shameless doesn’t appeal to me. Currently, we’re watching Mad Men. For the longest time I rejected this series, but I finally gave in. We like it. It’s partly satire, or at least that’s how I take it. One scene Don & Family are at a local park for a picnic and he throws the beer can into the creek and they leave their huge pile of trash there as they pack up and head to the car. Obviously, this behavior was perfectly customary and normal in the day until the commercial the following commercial that changed perceptions about litter forever. This show, Mad Men, has also helped me to understand you better. Like Don, you have walled a huge part of you off that no one can touch psychically, not even you. That part atrophies and dies ultimately and you are precluded from being all you could have been.

    The Crying Indian

    • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 10:48 am #

      The crying I-talian…

  80. Florida Power October 4, 2016 at 9:48 pm #

    Maybe I’m missing something, but to me there is only one fact about HRC that matters finally: clinton.com versus whateveritshouldhavebeen.gov. Prima Facie evidence of intent to conceal email content. Never mind why. She went to a lot of trouble to do it. The compliant media have managed to divert attention away from this basic fact and focus on deleted or non-secure classified emails. Preposterous. To say nothing of her record of neo-con disasters at State.

    Rewarding this level of corruption and insanity is beyond my comprehension. At least write in Caligula. The much-ballyhooed imminent collapse is theoretical at best, and a media that can manipulate public perception this well will surely perform even greater miracles should she find herself mired in a Lehman moment.

    I don’t buy the McIlvany Hoover analogy. His was another world, back when men wore hats, coats, and ties, and said “yes, ma’am,” to recall a turn of phrase from our host. No internet, no cable TV: the simple pleasures compared to today’s bread and circus options. Debs was gone by 1932 but the threat from the organized Left was still palpable, and the moment was right for a patrician to save capitalism from itself. Yes, they heaped bitter opprobrium upon the poor fellow at the helm, but managed a renewed political and social consensus because they still said yes ma’am and yes sir.

    These days we wear clown clothes and refer to each other as “mutha fucka”. Anesthetized by entertainment and pharmaceuticals about a third of us enjoy the modern forms of the New Deal legacy that disguise the true depth of economic malaise. If one can even refer to it as malaise. The question is begged: what is money? The notion of specie versus scrip is meaningless. Traditional economic gauges bear no relation to the real, ongoing world of commerce. The sovereigns “borrow” since receipts do not fund the dependent third plus the Deep State. We watch, breathless, as The Debt increases by about $100K per few seconds. We tremble at the $200 trillion in “unfunded liabilities” and ask: does it have any meaning? So long as the EBT cards convert to soda and chips they stay happy in the trailer parks and ghettos, as well as the manufactories of soda and chips, and the other two thirds of us go on about our business, reveling in the multiplier effect. But dey ain’t no consensus, no ma’am, no sir. We jus be chillin, waitin to be told what to do and what to think, if indeed thought describes popular culture these days.

    One can only hope for a nuclear exchange. Assigning blame then would be a moot point.

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  81. Janos Skorenzy October 4, 2016 at 10:05 pm #

    The test of a traditional evangelical preacher is the ability to bring a crowd to tears merely by pronouncing, “Me-So-Po-Ta-Mia” with stress on each of the syllables.

    This is exactly the kind of thing Buddha did not do. And what of Christ? Indeed, what of Christ? If you’re going to do things like this, you put them to good use. Did Billy Graham? No. His son, who will never walk with presidents, is a sounder man because he can’t do the tricks but does condemn that which deserves to be condemned – such as Islam and its enablers.

  82. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 10:53 pm #

    While running through Donald Trump’s many controversial remarks, Tim Kaine again brought up how the New York businessman called Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “criminals” last year.

    Mike Pence, Trump’s running mate, protested with a bit of a clumsy line.

    “Senator, you’ve whipped out that Mexican thing again,” he said.

    The governor attempted to correct Kaine by noting the senator failed to mention that Trump called “many” Mexicans “good people.”

    In fact, Trump’s modifier was “some,” not “many.”

    “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,” Trump said of Mexican immigrants last year.

    • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

      Trump dared to tell the Truth about the low quality of immigration that is typical of what Mexico has to offer. That is a punishable offense and he will receive a visit by the thought police. He should double down in their faces!

      Trump should ramp up the immigration rhetoric by pointing out how how GHW Bush’s Immigration Act of 1990 explicitly requires importation of 3rd World and non-White immigration by way of the DIVERSITY VISA PROGRAM.

      NOT ONE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD has suffered from White immigration i.e. Anglos, Russians, Polish, Germans, Swedes, etc. Trump would very likely be shot for publicly drawing that distinction. But, we are living in times that is setting the stage for the glorious return of Red Martyrdom.

      • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

        “NOT ONE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD has suffered from White immigration i.e. Anglos, Russians, Polish, Germans, Swedes, etc.”

        Vintage historical amnesia. Considering the Americas in their entirety as one “neighbourhood”, the residents as of 500 years ago suffered mightily from the immigration of your ancestors and mine. But even pale skin doesn’t necessarily make someone ‘White’ with a capital ‘W’ as defined by white supremacists — just ask any Irish immigrant up to a century ago or less.

        White supremacists think they are standing up for values, but it’s nothing more than ego-worship swollen into a parody of an actual value system.

  83. bibliomaniac October 4, 2016 at 11:04 pm #

    I don’t care it it’s a 3-headed green gremlin that wins the election as long as they can do something about global warming. We have now reached 400 parts per million and there’s no turning back. The drought and ecological disasters to follow will reduce the food supply to the point of mass starvation and we won’t have a system to bitch about, much less this pity party.

    Any suggestions for either candidate that might actually address a serious issue besides who slept with whom and did what and with which and to whom? I would vote for the fat squad (Trump Inc.) if they could pull us through, but I understand he thinks it’s all a Chinese hoax.

    • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 11:05 am #

      “I don’t care it it’s a 3-headed green gremlin that wins the election as long as they can do something about global warming”

      If you understood the scope of the problem, you would not be as strident looking for a “solution”. A solution that would be timely and effective doesn’t exist, and will not. Want a feel-good solution? Paper or Plastic…. Do you feel all warm and cuddly now? Climate is only partially understood and solutions, if available would take decades ( and more) to show any effect. The climate is in a “death spiral”…a re-enforcing feedback that is beyond the scope of human intervention.

      We have paid for the ticket, now we will take the ride….

  84. wpa_ccc October 4, 2016 at 11:06 pm #

    Here’s the real reason you should care about what happened Tuesday night: One of these men could very well become president. Fourteen of the 44 presidents of the United States served as veep. Eight of them got the top job because the president died in office.

    “You’re not going to take it, are you?” Grace Coolidge asked her husband, Calvin, when he was picked for the vice presidency in 1920. “I suppose I’ll have to,” he replied. Three years later, he was president.

    NOTE: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

    • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

      Expulsion of Islam from the U.S. is a glorious goal and worthy of renown in future history books.

      Desperate and dark times cry out for Light. A new Charles Martel. A new Enoch Powell. A new Pope Pius X. A new Crusade to cleanse us of Muslims, Arabism, and Kabbalism.

      Instead of a Glorious Light and Excalibur to fight The Harpy and her Flying Monkeys, we get The Donald. A Wal-Mart flashlight and whiffle-ball bat. In the darkness, however, such weaponry is better than nothing.

      • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

        Islam-the-religion is not a threat to the U.S. The physical threat that Islamic terrorism represents pales to utter insignificance against the true, existential, world-ending threat that the U.S. endured, and survived, in the decades-long Cold War against an entirely secular foe.

        Islamic terrorists are desperately trying to provoke a religious war with the U.S. Religious wars are the longest and cruelest wars, because they are fought for infinite stakes on both sides. On any level-headed basis, it’s completely unnecessary. They can be beaten on finite terms, in part by ceasing our endless meddling in the Middle East. The true danger of Islamic terrorism is that we might give in to their provocations and fight the war on their preferred terms instead of ours. You are certainly doing your part to make it happen, JimInFlorida. Please stop.

  85. pequiste October 5, 2016 at 12:11 am #

    AhtheHumanity asks:

    “What coronation marching music should be played from our cell phones during the inauguration of Hillary r. Clinton?”

    That is an easy one –


    Great tune. Thanks Cyndi!

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    • pequiste October 5, 2016 at 12:44 am #

      And The Donald, should he “get in” by the fluke known as the American electoral system, shall have as his inauguration tune:


      Henry Mancini’s fabulous style, sophistication, class and creative musical genius, like magic, covers many a mortal sin.

  86. Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 12:41 am #

    Tempus fugit:

    Today (actually yesterday, now) marks 59 years since Sputnik was launched into space. Congrats Finca.

  87. malthuss October 5, 2016 at 12:44 am #

    Jim Kunstler, are you aware that 41.2 BILLION dollars worth of ‘paper gold’ was dumped on the Comex today?

    • wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 1:12 am #

      Does that mean the paper gold was not backed up by real gold? Did you buy fiat paper gold to prepare for the collapse that is always “just around the corner”? Do you feel you’ve been had? Just wait… if Trump is elected even gold and silver coin won’t save you from economic chaos.

  88. Pucker October 5, 2016 at 1:32 am #

    Catherine Austin Fitts says that the Pentagon reports $9.3 trillion missing in 2015. The looting is in full gear. The giant monster shark is chasing the boat and the boat’s engine is overheating.


    • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      “the Pentagon reports $9.3 trillion missing in 2015”

      You do know that that figure is approx. 15X the entire defense budget for 2015? What sorcery is this?

      • Pucker October 5, 2016 at 11:06 pm #

        I think that Catherine Austin Fitts is talking about “Off Budget” accounting of the “Black Budget” of the Secret Government. Catherine Austin Fitts is a former Assistant Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban development and a former investment banker.

  89. Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 4:03 am #


    There is no question. Look. You can’t see if you wont look. Don’t be like the Inquisitors who wouldn’t look through Galileo’s telescope.

    • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 11:19 am #

      ” Don’t be like the Inquisitors who wouldn’t look through Galileo’s telescope.”

      Frankly, Janos, if my reward was a hot poker up the ass, I wouldn’t look either….

  90. Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 4:08 am #

    [And Heraclitus blames Homer for saying, “Would that strife would vanish from among gods and men.” For then everything would vanish.] For there could be no harmony without high and deep tones, no animals without male and female; and these are opposites.

    Fragment 43

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  91. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 7:22 am #

    Q. Shtik said: Today (actually yesterday, now) marks 59 years since Sputnik was launched into space. Congrats Finca.

    Ahh, yes, Sputnik started it all, and here we are today, entombing the planet in a sarcophagus of orbital debris. The following article reminds me of that Mad Men scene where Don & Betty left their debris at the park. It’s the same mentality. The irony is, we can now look back on those times and laugh at how stupid we were, but we can’t look at these times and laugh at how stupid we are because in these times, Satire is Reality. Maybe Reality has always been Satire and, with the exception of a very few, it’s only possible to perceive it in retrospect. For the few of us, we perceive it in retrospect and in real time. Such perception is more a curse than a blessing. If Life is Satire, we’re the butt of the joke. What’s nightmarish about this scenario is, you can never leave the Comedy Club because it’s effectively The Hotel California. The only way out is death, or so they say. Maybe even death isn’t what it’s proclaimed to be and there is no way out.

    Space Junk Orbiting Our Planet Has Become a Big Mess

    NASA estimates that more than 100 million man-made objects the size of a grain of salt are orbiting the planet. About 500,000 objects that are roughly the size of a marble are also believed to be out there, as well as 23,000 objects the size of a softball or larger.

    The amount of such fragments has expanded exponentially since the dawn of space exploration in the early 1960s. It has primarily resulted from discarded rocket parts and satellites, as well as from smash-ups between chunks space junk over the years — much of the debris is made up of bits of other debris. This phenomenon is known as the Kessler Syndrome, named for NASA scientist Donald Kessler, who described the effect in 1978.

    “It becomes self-generating,” the now-retired Kessler told VICE News. “Every time something hits something, the larger fragments of that collision are usually on the order of a 100 of them that are large enough to cascade and hit another satellite.”

    • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm #

      See also the movie Gravity, as well as Neal Stephenson’s Seveneves where the same scenario happens on a much, much larger scale after the moon blows up for no particular reason. (Not a spoiler, that happens on the first page.)

      Unlike Stephenson’s blown-up moon, man-made space debris is no threat to us here on the earth’s surface. Anything that re-enters the atmosphere will burn up or at worst, hurt some random unfortunate on the ground. But it would be a great shame if we lost the ability to launch satellites for weather forecasting and many other good and valuable uses because of tiny random bullets flying in all directions.

      (Final observation: George Clooney’s death scene in Gravity depends on an eye-rollingly dumb misunderstanding of basic physics. Seriously detracts from a move I otherwise liked quite a bit.)

  92. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 7:40 am #

    Many people have asked me who won the VP Debate last night. Even though I didn’t watch past the opening question that neither “candidate” answered, I can say unequivocally that the winner of last night’s debate and the rest of the debates this 2016 Presidential Election Cycle, is Vlad Putin. America is now a fully-fledged Juggling Clown, except it’s Nukes being juggled and not Balls. It’s just a matter of time until one of those balls, and hence all of them, falls.

    Neither here nor there, but what’s up with Pence’s white hair? Is he emulating Bill Clinton? Why does politics select for this? Haven’t these fellas ever heard of Grecian Formula? Why is it white hair is selected for with male politicians yet you hardly ever see any sportscasters with white hair?

    Don’t Gamble With Gray Hair

    • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 11:16 am #

      [Many people] have asked me who won the VP Debate last night. – Cold


      It is very Trump-like of you to say ^this^ except Donald would have said ‘Many many people.’ The rule: Always double down on your adjectives and adverbs for emphasis even when these people are imaginary.

      Now, when you say that in the 9+ hours since the debate ended (while most people are in bed) until you posted at 7:40am that “many people” asked you who won the debate, how did this transpire? Did they call your cell? text you? tweet you? Were you up early and out for a Starbucks and ‘many people’ collared you for your opinion while you stood in line (or as some people say, ‘on’ line)?

      No, I suspect these ‘many people’ are a rhetorical device for voicing an opinion and the real number of people was either zero or maybe just your wife who had been in the other room watching Poldark reruns.

  93. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 11:17 am #

    Russian Plutonium Ultimatum and US Presidential Politics

    It would be very strange if during the next televised debates moderator would not ask the candidates a question about 34 tones of weapons-grade plutonium, which is enough for 17 thousand warheads, especially since the Russian president linked the question of returning to this agreement with Western policy in Ukraine, the candidates views on which came to head-on collision that best demonstrated their differences.

    Now, if during these TV debates Trump and Clinton have a question about the damage caused to US security by Hillary Clinton being Secretary of State that Trump has raised in previous televised debates, 34 tons of weapons-grade plutonium will give this issue a special radioactive sharpness. A significant part of these 17 thousand plutonium warheads Russia can quickly and cheaply deliver on its newest missiles, capable of carrying 10 warheads each, and are already installed on the newest ultra-quiet submarines that have taken into operation in the two years that Ukraine is being ravaged by Nazis, especially if President Hillary Clinton, as she promised, will start officially delivering the latest weapons to Ukrainian Nazis.

  94. volodya October 5, 2016 at 11:35 am #

    Cold, I’m not defending the tax code. What I’m saying is that the way this discussion played out in the media is downright idiotic.

    So much noise and outrage and fury which leaves REAL substantive issues undiscussed which is maybe the intent of the noise-makers all along.

    The REAL issue is whether the tax code ought to be written the way it’s written. Is it “progressive” or is it “regressive”? Is it written to enrich the already rich? What incentives-disincentives does the law provide? There’s a multitude of problems, tax loss carryovers being just one.

    As far as what Trump did, there’s either make-believe incomprehension or, worse still, ACTUAL incomprehension among the commentariat over an issue that ought to be – in its essentials – straight-forward.

    After all these guys put on airs all the time about how um, “educated” they are. If they’re so “educated” then understanding tax loss carry-overs shouldn’t be a problem. Nor should it be a problem explaining the concept. This isn’t rocket science.

    Neither of these alternative explanations of what’s been happening is good.

    IMO the commentariat has been play-acting to mis-represent this issue. They pretend that this is waaaaay beyond the pale in its complexity such that THEY can’t comprehend what Trump did and that mere mortals could never be expected to wrap their heads around it either. Which is of course total nonsense. And, more seriously, they’re pretending that it’s waaaaay beyond the pale for Trump to have used this provision.

    There’s another possibility that’s just too gruesome to contemplate but consider it we must. And it’s that the commentariat really ARE that financially ignorant and intellectually incapable.

    Now, Trump is a black-guard, make no mistake. Am I surprised that he did what he did? Not in the slightest. What he did doesn’t make Trump a “genius” as Rudy Giuliani recently claimed. Nor does it make him a criminal. But from a business perspective, if he hadn’t availed himself of the provision in question, then he really would be an idiot.

    There’s degrees of sliminess. A taxpayer can take an aggressive stance and go out on a limb to take advantage of language in the law in ways that lawmakers never intended. In which case you take your chances with the IRS. If you want to fight with those guys be my guest. But you better have your ducks in a row and some good counsel at your disposal and the loot to pay them.

    Or you can stay well within the lines of the law as it was intended by law-makers and policy-makers. So, which is it with Trump?

    I’ll say again, if Senator Hillary and all the high and mighty didn’t like the tax code w.r.t. tax losses, then they all should have acted. Those provisions have been there for a long time. Did you hear a peep?

    • Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 12:18 pm #

      Thanks for clarifying. I agree with you, The Media is hypocritical in their coverage of it. I expect nothing more of The Media at this point.

  95. elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 12:05 pm #

    Friday upcoming is slated for the release of the movie “Birth of a Nation”. I would encourage Wpac and others on this site that celebrate “diversity” to attend the opening at your local (or if available, inner-city) theater.

    The movie is said to be a powerful indictment of race in this country, and is also said to be very “emotive”. Prayer vigils will, of course, erupt spontaneously, as will singing of “Kumbaya”, and group hugs. This may be something you can tell your grandchildren about….

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  96. elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 12:08 pm #

    I was, of course, being sardonic…please don’t attend….

  97. volodya October 5, 2016 at 12:12 pm #

    Q, if anyone wants to argue against a Trump presidency, Melania’s ludicrous fuck up at the convention is fair game. If Trump can’t run a campaign any better than that, and he’s supposed to be oh so good at spectacle and showmanship, what farces are we in for when he’s president? You cringe to think.

    The depressing thing is, what will we get with Hillary? Trump is absurd but with a President H R Clinton, the cloaca maxima of Washington corruption will overflow. If she’s capable of stupendous idiocies like with her email server as Sec of State, just imagine the possibilities when she’s in the Oval Office.

    It’s unthinkable to have either as president.

  98. dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

    KUNSTLER I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    EVERYTHING is a Self-Fulfilling prophecy (which I already knew), but NOW I CAN PROVE IT!

    for example, you know how i do my Commenting by first using the “Find” function to search on “dannyboy” and then reply to those Comments?


    for the last couple of weeks, I’ve been doing that and, not “finding” any Comments by dannyboy, i didn’t Reply. Makes sense right?

    well, this week my search of the Comments for “dannyboy” gets me to Cold N. Holefield’s Oct 3 Comment. So I Reply, as is my practice.


    The whole fucking Universe is just responding to us (which I already knew), but have now proven.

    All we gotta’ do is act better. The rest will be taken care of.

    Whatd’ya think?

    • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2016 at 12:55 pm #

      Go Mets!!!


      • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

        it’s unanimously accepted!

        maybe, i’ll share my Unified Field solution, but JimInHell has stopped me before.

    • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm #


      You’re Back! Got a quick heads-up for you. Birth of a Nation will be screened up on Fredric Douglas Blvd. in the Magic Johnson 9 Cineplex. Gonna be a real event, Mr. Harlem “first nighter”…. Celebrate cultural diversity as only a New Yorker can! Bring your friends…I recommend the 7:00 PM showing.

      • BackRowHeckler October 5, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

        Yeah, EF, this film is just going to inflame tensions and make things worse. I don’t know maybe that’s the whole idea of it.

        And it won’t be fading out too fast either because it will probably win all the academy awards. (for obvious reasons)

        I realize you’re being sarcastic with Dannyboy in your post, but truthfully, it probably would be a good idea to stay away from the theaters where this film is being screened, at least for the first week or so.


        • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:15 pm #


          the thing that returned me over to CFN is that my NEIGHBORHOOD blog started a thread on the local Public Schools (the most segregated in the country, I think). The racism apparent in the Comments made me duck in here for some peace and quiet.

          • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

            danny, you MUST get wpa_ccc to go troll your neighborhood forum on the local Public Schools!!!

            More fun that teasing a bunch of Rottweilers through the fence! LOL! Let wpa get her fingers bitten off when she reaches in too far!

          • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 9:39 am #


            The most interesting thing about the neighborhood folks debating racial issues is that THE DEBATE MEANS SOMETHING.

            These people are effective. They take action.

            So, if a Segregationist is talking, he/she means business.

            There’s the sharp contrast to this rattling.

          • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 11:01 am #

            “The most interesting thing about the neighborhood folks debating racial issues is that THE DEBATE MEANS SOMETHING.

            These people are effective. They take action.



            You want action? Gather the whole tribe of neighborhood folks, charter a coach and get your collective asses up to Harlem to watch the movie…they take reserve seating, so your large and adoring group can march right past the lumpen standing in line…wear your finest clothing and best jewelry…the debate will begin before the credits roll, and you will get all the action you feel you can handle.

            Please leave the women and children at home…this can be a “night out” for your “effective” people and other Masters of the Universe.

            “These people are effective.

            They take action.”…


          • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 11:54 am #

            lemme’ see

            are you in control of your circumstances?

            Just to explain: your Recommendation to me has resulted in my NOT going to the beautiful premier.

            see you do have an effect

          • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

            “Just to explain: your Recommendation to me has resulted in my NOT going to the beautiful premier. ”

            You can thank me later….

        • malthuss October 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

          How many africans will see the film?

          • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:17 pm #

            i’m certain that you will see more than there actually are

          • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 7:05 pm #

            Read an article on the Distributor’s efforts preceding the release…thousands of mailers to black church officials and schood districts…may be required attendance, or at least extra credit!

          • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 9:44 am #


            the only reason that i may skip the premier is that you recommended it.

  99. BackRowHeckler October 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

    Mets are wearing that Dodger Blue and Giants Orange.

    An unbeatable combination!


  100. volodya October 5, 2016 at 1:37 pm #

    Oh, I should have mentioned but forgot, they’re saying that Hillary did the same as Trump on her taxes, that is, used tax loss carry-overs….

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    • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

      Those are probably the kind I have……….short and long term capital losses on sales of stocks, not business operating losses. If memory serves, you can only use up $3K per year of tax loss carry forwards. (Cold?)

      I have enough losses that I won’t be able to use up the loss carry forwards in this life or even in the next.

      • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:54 pm #


        • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 5:00 pm #


          If this is a serious piece of advice, please explain.

          • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 6:35 pm #

            If you incorporated, your losses could be shared by the new entity resulting from the Merger. It would reduce the merger partner’s income and resultant tax liability..

      • Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 5:22 pm #

        $3k capital loss per year on personal income tax return is the upper limit, that is correct.

  101. JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 1:49 pm #

    Flori-DUH sucks. Especially now.

    I am in the bulls eye for this stupid hurricane. I’ve been through them and I don’t enjoy the experience.

    My yard is in order, my trees pruned, and, by great fortune, never got around to pruning all the high bushes around my house. They will be superb windbreaks in their overgrown state.

    All I have to worry about is losing electric power. May not be so bad. I have plenty of books that I haven’t picked up in years. It may be quite the experience to pass the time by reading instead of farting around on the computer!

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

      “I have plenty of books that I haven’t picked up in years.”

      don’t forget flashlight batteries and candles

      (Am I like a prepper now?)

      • Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 2:28 pm #

        If you add Camouflage & a thirty year supply of Ramen you are.

        • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

          One more Prepper question:

          are Sabbath candles all right?

          i mean they’re meant for a different purpose

          but under a pinch?

          • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

            but under a pinch? – dan


            Where I come from the expression is “in a pinch.”

          • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

            you’re not in a Jewish neighborhood, i expect.

          • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 7:06 pm #

            Seek a rabbinical dispensation….

          • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 9:46 am #


            not required

            i never do anything wrong


  102. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

    Q. Shtik said: Well, I’m extremely confident that you’re paranoid as all hell and that the Pentagon’s Information Operations Task Force has bigger fish to fry than worrying about what a bunch of loons are saying on some obscure blog.

    Talking out of your ass again as is your wont. Despite the MOUNDS of evidence available now proving that the Gubmint is spying on its own citizens to the extent it engages in on-line dialogue & sock-puppetry for purposes of PYSOPS, Q. Shtik still doesn’t believe. If it’s so busy with bigger fish to fry, Q. Shtik, what is it doing viewing my blog?

    I remember watching a movie about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII — one of the hundreds of them — starring Steve Buscemi that showed fellow Jews leading other fellow Jews into the Gas Chambers and then still other Jews loading dead Jews into the ovens and then cleaning the ovens out after their fellow Jews were cremated. The Jews who engaged in this activity to survive are the Q. Shtiks of the world. Humanity can never evolve with the likes of Q. Shtiks anchoring us in the primordial mud. There should be a DNA test that can be administered to women who have conceived. We can call it the Q. Shtik Test. If it turns out the woman is carrying a Q. Shtik, she should by force of law be required to abort. That should do the trick and it should satisfy those, like Hillary Clinton & Friends, who love a good abortion or two or three or more. Hell, we can even let them eat the afterbirth if they like, and I bet they do.


    I did a search on this organization and the following is the first page that pops up. It’s their Cyber War Branch. Why would the Navy’s Cyber War Branch be interested in an obscure blog like Catcher In The Lie? Tell us, Q. Shtik? Its search was very specific, so it’s not a fluke or a mistake.

    These are the people sworn to protect us Americans. For some reason, I don ‘t think they have our best interests at heart. Not when they engage in online, and offline, PSYOPS that results in the harassment of the citizens they’re sworn to protect. My motto stands and is underscored — It’s All Lies.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

      What about the Estate of Mr Salinger? Couldn’t the name of your blog be seen as copyright infringement of a kind?

    • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

      PSYOPS that results in the harassment of the citizens they’re sworn to protect. – Cold


      Like making their windshield wipers turn on and off? Haha ha.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

        I guess that was a coincidence too. So many coincidences. It never happened before those two times and it hasn’t happened since. Now, instead, someone is leaving full bottles of water in front of my house. Yesterday I found one right beneath the mailbox and today I found two a few yards from the mailbox. The two I found today were not there yesterday. They’re full as though the person didn’t bother to drink from them and instead just threw them in front of my home. Gee, I wonder what weirdness I’ll discover next week. I’ll make sure to inform you.

        • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

          When I was a kid “mischief night” was officially Oct 30th, the night before Halloween (or as some people say, Holloween). But we couldn’t wait and so the entire month of Oct was game for mischief. Maybe that’s what’s happening in your neighborhood.

        • elysianfield October 5, 2016 at 7:11 pm #

          Maybe your neighborhood “pusher man”, the one you confronted, threw them there…be wary….

    • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

      If it’s so busy with bigger fish to fry, Q. Shtik, what is it doing viewing my blog? – Cold


      Probably just coincidental. The guy is probably just another Maura Murray Mystery fruitloop whiling away the hours, who’s not into solitaire.

    • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

      I’ve never seen it, but the movie you’re referring to sounds like The Grey Zone, written and directed by Tim Blake Nelson. Rated 7.1 on IMDb, for what it’s worth.


      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 2:27 pm #

        Yes, that’s the movie. It’s a good movie. Unfortunately, the Truth is probably somewhat different. The movie excuses the actions of these people by making up the tale that they were doing it so they could live long enough to sabotage the Death Camp. No doubt the story is mythologized propaganda.There were no doubt a number of Jews who aided the Nazis in exterminating other Jews so they could live a while longer. Q. Shtik is one of those people — they’re cut from the same cloth. Q. Shtik survived in the Concentration Camp that is Corporate America by escorting his colleagues into the Gas Chambers and shoveling them into the Ovens after they were suffocated.

        • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

          This is not quite true Cold.

          What I did was to serve lunch to the folks who escorted our colleagues into the Gas Chambers and those who later shoveled them into the Ovens.

  103. volodya October 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm #

    Another thing, I read in NYTimes magazine that in a spectacular display of disconnectedness from Planet Earth or at least, the people living on the landmass of the USA, George Will, the eminence grise of conservative commentary, wonders what exactly do they want, “they” meaning Trump supporters.

    Well, the answer would fill many pages with a lot of elaboration. But seeing as this is Kunstler’s blog and time and space are limited, what these demented Trump supporters want is what they used to have but lost in waves of offshoring of American industry. That, in the main, is what they want.

    So apparently guys like David Brooks and George Will who sup with the bi-coastal glitterati and who would rather eat poison than “inter-mingle” as Brooks put it, have no idea. Or, maybe, they pretend to have no idea. Too painful to fully contemplate what was done for the sake of the profits of the few. AND, make no mistake, for their own fortune and well-being as propagandists and apologists.

    Disturbs the sleep to face the fact that what was done was to give a nasty autocratic regime the economic wherewithal to build a fully modern 21st century war machine, much to the detriment of its neighbors and maybe the world. AND, to repeat the point, to the detriment of a great multitude of American workers.

    Can anyone say “hegemon”? Maybe the ignorance is pretend ignorance because of the enormity of the folly which the conservative commentariat (and the democratic commentariat too for that matter) were fully on-board with. Globalization, they shouted. It was inevitable. So they say.

    Better to play dumb than own up.

  104. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

    Here’s a link to an excellent discussion about corporate taxes. A commentator at the end suggests taxing revenue versus income, but ultimately, at least with Too-Big-To-Fail corporations like GE, the tax burden if they’re forced to fire their Army of Tax Accountants & Attorneys and pay their stated rate would be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices.

    I agree with Q. Shtik, we should move to a tax on consumption. Maybe it would incentivize us to consume less, and considering we are the most wasteful nation on the planet, consuming less and conserving more is a noble & righteous endeavor, is it not?

    Granted, the article below is from 2011, but it’s as relevant and applicable today as it was five years ago, maybe more so.


  105. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

    Volodya, great point about Trump supporters. Here’s the thing. What Nation/Empire in the history of Civilization was great, then not so great, and then great again? I can’t think of one. It’s not going to happen because it can’t happen. It’s a Law of Civilization (not Nature). You can never go back. Lost Glory can never be reclaimed. It’s gone for good.

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    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 2:28 pm #

      The Bronx

      • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 3:25 pm #

        One swallow does not make a summer. A drop of water in a torrent.

  106. wm5135 October 5, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

    Permission to come aboard?

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

      Permission Granted

      bring Scotch

    • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

      Your papers, please. Party membership?

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

      Ignore Janos

      just mean

      • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

        Janos is the Chlorine in the CFN swimming pool.

        As long as people like wpa_ccc continue to expel their intellectual wastes into the pool, then the forum needs more Janos to disinfect the comment space.

        • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 9:48 am #

          yous deserve each other

          see, there is someone for everyone

        • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

          Janos is the chlorine wafting across the fields of Ypres. The 1st Canadian Division wouldn’t let it stop them, so how can I do less?

  107. Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

    “An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.

    The disorders following the military takeover in 861, and the loss of the empire, had played havoc with the economy. At such a moment, it might have been expected that everyone would redouble their efforts to save the country from bankruptcy, but nothing of the kind occurred. Instead, at this moment of declining trade and financial stringency, the people of Baghdad introduced a five-day week. When I first read these contemporary descriptions of tenth-century Baghdad, I could scarcely believe my eyes. I told myself that this must be a joke! The descriptions might have been taken out of The Times today. The resemblance of all the details was especially breathtaking—the break-up of the empire, the abandonment of sexual morality, the ‘pop’ singers with their guitars, the entry of women into the professions, the five-day week. I would not venture to attempt an explanation! There are so many mysteries about human life which are far beyond our comprehension.”

    The extraordinary Sir John Glubb or “Glubb Pasha”

    • michael October 5, 2016 at 6:40 pm #

      Where is this description to be found?

      • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 9:06 pm #


        Glubb Pasha found that history is largely a broken record. God or Nature give regimes about ten generations or about 200-250 years. Then people simply go crazy, as the corruption that had been slowly building comes to fruition. Obviously we’ve proven no more than typical. And yes, for Governments to hate their own people and favor aliens is also not uncommon, insane as it is.

        Alexander the Great couldn’t stand the Greeks since they wouldn’t worship him as a God. He favored the Persians and was raising up a new army of young Persian men when he died young.

        In the Great Civilizations, one regime falls and another rises, usually a few hundred miles away. But the Civilization remains. Obviously when America falls, it falls for good. Far too much diversity and not nearly enough common culture or any culture at all at this point. Thanks Liberals. Thanks Frankfurt School – Jewish to a man.

  108. wm5135 October 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

    Name age and location may deduced from the user name.

    Jeffersonian populist – at heart – claim no party

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:35 pm #

      no unsupervised 5 year olds.

      too much colorful language

      making the dearth of ideas

      you’ll get more out of watching TV

    • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 8:42 pm #

      Yes, the Founders were against parties or “factions”. Jefferson wanted Blacks sent out of new Nation. He met the survivors of massacres – including perhaps several of the few Whites who escape from the pogrom in Haiti. He feared for the future if this was not done. In these days before the release of the new movie about the Nat Turner revolt, his words are proving prophetic.

  109. dolph9 October 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm #


    That’s it, really. I just felt like saying it. It’s cathartic. If it’s not an offensive word, we should not be afraid to say it.

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:36 pm #

      Beautiful word

    • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 8:43 pm #

      [ rimshot ]

    • Janos Skorenzy October 5, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

      Dolphins seem to be smiling but they are far more serious creatures than the kiddie shows let on. The have a deep hatred of sharks and will go out of their way to kill them if they can. Indeed, they have saved humans under attack. On a darker note, they will kill their smaller, freshwater cousins, the porpoise, just for fun.

      So I see your smile, Dolph.

  110. wm5135 October 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

    Mr. volodya just summarized part of the situation very succintly.
    Our host noted the hottest fashion trend of the season and made the most brutally honest statement in a public place in recent days.
    Whether I look to the Right or the Left I see a populace bedecked in Ruby Slippers with their eyes shut, clicking their heels and mumbling to themselves.
    “This is not going to happen” there is no varnish on that statement.

    Thank you for your patience!

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  111. Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

    As a name for a hurricane I don’t think “Matthew” cuts it. Too wishy washy for a hurricane.

    Next storm should be Shaniqua and after that, Sanjay, D’Brickashaw or Mohamed.

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 3:48 pm #


      • FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 4:37 pm #

        Next storm will be Ivan the Terrible

        • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

          stop replying to my good and clean American links with those Russian virus infected links.

          you know i won’t click

          • FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

            you did, too, didn’t you?

          • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 6:37 pm #


            You flatter yourself.

            But keep up the delusion

            if it keeps you going.

            Your friend in cold war,

          • FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

            Not a friend, but definitely a partner

          • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 7:18 pm #

            i don’t know what i’d do without yous

  112. Cold N. Holefield October 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

    Hurricane Ken would have been much more fearsome & intimidating. “Come now, my friends, enjoy a nice hot shower after that arduous journey and then a nice hot meal.”

  113. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 4:20 pm #

    Dicitencello vuje

    Russians Sings In Italian


  114. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

    Russians Sing In Russian

    Midnight in Moscow


    Stillness in the grove
    Not a rustling sound
    Softly shines the moon clear and bright
    Dear, if you could know
    How I treasure so
    This most beautiful Moscow Night
    Lazily the brook like a silvery stream
    Ripples in the light of the moon
    And a song afar fades as in a dream
    In this night that will end too soon
    Yes a song afar fades as in a dream
    In this night that will end too soon
    Dearest, why so sad, why the downcast eyes
    And your lovely head bent so low
    Oh, I mustn’t speak, though I’d love to say
    That you’ve stolen my heart away
    Promise me…

  115. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 4:56 pm #

    34 tons of weapons-grade plutonium

    Who and how many will be enough no one knows if the conflict will erupt. We are talking about the possibility to scare the shit out of a potential enemy, hopefully not leading to experimental verification. And I read a lot of articles that explains in detail why the potential Russian adversary was afraid of those 34 tones rather than the other tones. And this was the reason why they insisted on its utilization.


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    • wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 9:13 pm #

      Pence painted the USA as 16 times stronger than the minor regional player run by dictator Putin.

  116. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    If you see me comin’, better step aside
    A lotta men didn’t, a lotta men died
    One fist of iron, the other of steel
    If the right one don’t a-get you, then the left one will


  117. Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 5:21 pm #

    Your life is archived in more detail than you yourself remember. – Michael


    I am actually glad to hear this…..it affords a certain degree of immortality.

    • dannyboy October 5, 2016 at 6:39 pm #


      the Whole Thing keeps going…

      what, you thought it all goes poof?

  118. FincaInTheMountains October 5, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

    Kunstler.com was finally banned from Google official rankings!


    No data! Would be interesting to see the web master stats on the site.

    • JimInFlorida October 5, 2016 at 8:59 pm #

      Fine. It keeps the riff-raff out of CFN. Those who are here, are meant to be here.

      “And they, continuing daily with one accord in CFN, were breaking balls from comment to comment, and did project their opinions with gladness and singleness of heart. Praising JHK and having favour with all the people, the Lord added to the CFN Forum daily such as should be saved.”

    • FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:20 am #

      Appears that it was a temporary glitch, may be to “recover” the Kunstler rating to the astronomical jump to 59.1K up from 79K, that was unduly suppressed for too long.

  119. wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 8:49 pm #

    Trump had not avoided paying his fair share of taxes over the years, Pence said; he had simply taken all the deductions available to him. (He made it sound as though claiming your father-in-law as a dependent might earn you a nine-hundred-million-dollar write-off.) Not even CPAs, not even Q., could do that.

  120. wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 9:01 pm #

    Accumulated cruelty of Trump’s business career also invited a rebuke, that for his entire adult life he had been out only for himself.

    “True story… my Dad’s company was stiffed by Trump on a six figure telecom job in the 1980’s. Trump told them it would cost more to sue him,” Brian Walsh, the Republican consultant and former spokesman for the Republican National Senatorial Committee, tweeted.

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    • wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 9:04 pm #

      If you think Trump cares about you, your family, your race, or about America, you have been successfully conned by Trump. Repeat the big lie often enough and some people begin to believe it. But not enough people. Hillary has once again increased her lead, after the VP debate.

    • wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 9:05 pm #

      If you think Trump cares about you, your family, your race, or about America, you have been successfully conned by Trump. Repeat the big lie often enough and some people begin to believe it. But not enough people. Hillary has once again increased her lead, after the VP debate. …

      • Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

        Is there an echo in this room?

        • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 9:51 am #

          say that again?

  121. wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 10:07 pm #

    Switzerland Works, Multiculturalism Works

    En un poema Borges habla de Suiza, hoy una democracia pacífica pero antaño un país de guerreros y mercenarios, pudo salir de sus aventuras bélicas: Y hablaba de una conspiración de personas de “diversas estirpes, que profesan diversas religiones y que hablan en diversos idiomas” y que tenían el “hábito de la guerra” pero tomaron “la extraña resolución de ser razonables” y resolvieron “olvidar sus diferencias y acentuar sus afinidades”.

    ¡Sí se puede!

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 9:28 am #

      The flu, common cold, shingles, etc. are the personal experience of “diversity” when it visits the human body. Just because one hasn’t died from the invasion of unwanted viruses and bacteria doesn’t mean that diversity is a success.

      Switzerland is a collection of WHITE European nationalities and represented a special political situation. Don’t try to lump them in with the E.U. cowards who’ve allowed Africa and the Levant to flush its human waste onto the Continent..

      The natural immune system of White society (Racism, Bigotry, and the occasionally necessary Extrajudicial Action) is definitely being suppressed to prevent it from cleansing the body-politic.

      Prolonged suppression of White Racism results in AIDS (Aggressive Immigration Disorder Syndrome) and various forms of collective insanity (mudsharking, coal burning, and Jewish NGO’s releasing their toxic spores into the political process).

      • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 10:32 am #

        Hunker down and stay safe….

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 11:18 am #

        The Government of Sweden now lists ‘Swedish’ as just one of
        many ethnicities in Sweden.
        Check duck duck go for ‘Rape and hand grenades in Malmo.’

      • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 2:36 pm #

        Aggressive Immigration Disorder Syndrome – very nice. Permission to use? I will spread this meme far and wide – a Virus of Wisdom.

      • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm #

        I stopped reading after the first sentence where JimInFlorida compared human beings to viruses and bacteria.

        JiF, this is disgusting, eliminationist invective and you should be ashamed of yourself.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 10:51 pm #

          A functioning Society or Nation is an organism. No analogy could be better. The borders are the skin. Illegal aliens are pathogens. White Nationalists who warn their brothers? White blood cells that combat the pathogens.

          Stop being a sentimental and self righteous fool. In reality, you are a great hater than any of us. In terms of the analogy – a cancer cell.

          • Elrond Hubbard October 7, 2016 at 10:13 am #

            I welcome your hate, Janos. It’s a small but appreciated vindication. My opinion stands, and now it goes double.

  122. Q. Shtik October 5, 2016 at 10:08 pm #

    This article


    quoting the tax attorney in charge of preparing Trump’s 1995 tax returns has the ring of truth throughout. It confirms what I have believed from the beginning…….Trump knows NOTHING about the details of the tax code (or pretty much the details about ANYTHING) and depends on the experts doing the preparation to arrive at the most favorable bottom line…not that there’s anything wrong with that, but for him to claim that he knows more about the tax code than anyone who has ever run for president is ludicrous.

    My brother-in-law is like this. He knows less than nothing about his tax returns. I constantly try to offer him advice and reminders but it’s in one ear and out the other. He simply CAN. NOT. BE. BOTHERED.

    My most recent advice concerned something called the NJ Homestead Benefit Application. It is simple and can be filed on the telephone and in his case would save him about $1,000 off a future (2017) quarterly property tax payment. He says “my accountant takes care of all that” and I tell him “yeah, but you have to retrieve the form from your mail and give it to your accountant.” I am laying even money he will never do this.

    Then, last Friday, I texted Peter and reminded him that the 6 month filing extension period would expire Oct 17th and I asked if he filed. He said “my accountant takes care of all of that.” I asked if he looked at the final form and signed it. I got nothing but silence.

    BTW, my b-i-l loves Trump and claims he even donated to his campaign. He hates Hillary to such a degree that he nearly exploded in my kitchen the other day ranting about her (nothing the least bit specific that he could articulate, just undefined hatred) and my wife, his sister, had to scream at him “to shut the hell up or leave.” He quieted down and cracked another Stella Artois.

  123. wpa_ccc October 5, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

    Taxes paid by undocumented immigrants: $11.8 Billion

    Taxes paid by Donald Trump: $0

  124. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 2:35 am #

    Mr. Trump has already slipped perceptibly in public polls, trailing widely this week in Pennsylvania and by smaller margins in Florida and North Carolina — three states he cannot afford to lose. But private polling by both parties shows an even more precipitous drop, especially among independent voters, moderate Republicans and women, according to a dozen strategists from both parties who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the data was confidential. –NYT

    Trump was only 3 points down two weeks ago, then 4 points down last week, and now 5 points behind Hillary … in hundreds of polls. This downward trajectory will continue. Trump will lose by margins exceeding McCain and Romney. Trump is a bankrupt, lying, rapist and all around loser. Trump is toast.

  125. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 2:49 am #

    “My brother in law hates Hillary to such a degree that he nearly exploded in my kitchen the other day ranting about her (nothing the least bit specific that he could articulate.” –Q.

    Hillary has no criminal record, no bankruptcies, no $936 million business losses due to business incompetence, no string of marriages to imported husbands, no federal court cases alleging she raped a 13 year old, no support from KKK nor white supremacist supporters, etc.

    No criminal charges have ever been filed against Hillary nor has she had 3,500 lawsuits filed against her for fraud and theft, as Trump has.

    Hillary has been a lawyer, a First Lady, a senator, a Secretary of State, and a candidate for president. Republicans have persecuted her for decades with dozens of “investigations” costing taxpayers $100 million dollars, all of which have confirmed Hillary’s innocence.

    That must be what bothers your brother in law. That and knowing Trump cannot stop her from becoming president.

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    • Florida Power October 6, 2016 at 10:23 am #

      Why did she go to such trouble to set up her own email apart from .gov while Secretary of State?

      • Elrond Hubbard October 6, 2016 at 5:31 pm #

        For her own convenience. She didn’t want to have to deal with the red tape involved with using official government communications channels. Despite the serious security risks, this form of corruption is pretty widespread at echelons high enough to get away with it — e.g., Colin Powell had done it previously and no doubt many others.

        In Hillary’s case there’s obviously suspicion that she was also using it for her and her husband’s ongoing influence-peddling operations, which they launder via the Clinton Foundation.

        • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 7:24 am #

          This is utter bullshit. Convenience? What could be more convenient than being given your address and having the department tech set the switches for you? I know of no one who, upon employment, sought a private line separate and apart from their employer’s. Do you? No, you don’t. If you go to work for Chase you send and receive on chase.com. If you go to work for the government — especially if your correspondence is part of the national archive — you correspond on xxxx.gov. Period end of story.

          If you want to correspond privately about Yoga or weddings you access the web portal of your personal email provider (Yahoo, gmail, etc) — maybe even at work if it’s allowed — and type away.

          Colin Powell has qualified and re-qualified everything having to do with his private channel. Read up on it if you’re interested. It doesn’t appear he was trying to shield his emails from others. And if he was, he is at much at fault as HRC.

  126. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 3:12 am #

    Have you ever heard of Kadra Mohamed? Well you should have. She’s Minnesota’s first hijab wearing police woman and the first Somali female officer. Kadra Mohamed is only 21 years old and already making history.

    St. Paul is also one of the few American police departments that allows women to wear the hijab while working. This way, they hope to enable Muslim women to consider a career in law enforcement.

    When Hillary is president there will be many Muslim women on police forces in America … with or without the hijab … as the arc of history bends to achieve a more perfect union. I salute Kadra Mohamed and her contribution to maintaining the peace. Islam is a religion of peace, so Muslim women and police forces are a perfect fit. America is a great nation already.

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 8:56 am #

      This Kadra woman is nothing to brag about. She is the mere beneficiary of tyrannical Affirmative Action and the Diversity VISA program under the 1990 Immigration Act. Furthermore, EEOC diktats will let her work ON HER TERMS and as long as she wants.

      Kadra is also a damning indictment of the ingrained political cowardice of the people of Minnesota. Iowa is even worse for harboring cowardly Whites. They would rather sacrifice themselves than offend the brutal demigods of Political Correctness.

      It takes a special psychosis that seduces an entire body-politic to the point of suicide.

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 11:19 am #

        Jim, Iowa, how so?

  127. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 3:24 am #

    Advice for brh, who is concerned about clowns.

    Brh, if you find yourself being attacked by a crowd of clowns, go for the juggler.

    • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 10:36 am #

      “Brh, if you find yourself being attacked by a crowd of clowns, go for the juggler.”

      That’s ridiculous…if attacked by a juggler, go for his…wait for it…balls.

  128. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 3:47 am #

    Hillary is destroying Pence and Trump.


    Hillary has a rapid reaction force and swat team to hunt down Trump’s lies and publicize them. Hillary has a ground game.

    Trump has plans to start Trump TV after he loses the election … and Trump is doing all he can to help Hillary win.

  129. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:07 am #

    Premonition of a civil war continues to loom over the election campaign in the United States, which is why the most important question during the TV debates was whether the candidates are ready to concede defeat and support the winning candidate.

    Well, no one was interested in Clinton’s vows of allegiance to democracy, since Trump has no way to falsify the election results, and he can only win honestly. But Trump’s response immediately caused a lot of controversy, and over time the cloud of mystery around his answer has not just thickened, but started to throw lightning and thunder.

    I must say that the debates were initially very strange: the bully and a hooligan Donald Trump, which US media accused of “brazenness” more often than Russian liberals blame Vladimir Putin, suddenly decided to show himself a gentleman, and spoke of many failures of Hillary Clinton as if she really was the former US First Lady, not a criminal who has illegally seized power and whose name mentioning causes the republican Convention chanting: “To slammer her!”

    Trump was very careful in his choice of expressions, particularly explaining that it was Hillary Clinton’s experience that disqualifies her as a candidate for the US presidency, as the experience of her being in senior government positions had terrible consequences for the United States.

    But to do this he used so complicated arguments that they could have been understood only by professionals.

    For example, Hillary Clinton is very successfully fighting off accusations of creating ISIS, derailed the conversation onto President Bush, the war in Iraq and the treaty with the transitional government in Iraq to determine the exact date of US withdrawal, or onto President Obama who implemented this withdrawal in 2011.

    As a result of this power vacuum that was created in Iraq, an unimportant Syrian group called “Islamic State” one and a half years ago arrived from Syria in Mosul and captured 2300 US armored vehicles and Humvees, as if specially prepared for them in that key strategic Iraqi city.

    Well, who, but professionals who for years have closely tracked the ups and downs of US foreign policy, could understand the hints of Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State who led the negotiations on the extension of the stay of US troops in Iraq, deliberately sabotaged them against the wishes of President Obama and Iraqi government? Meanwhile, it is the failure of those negotiations that created the very force that not only Donald Trump, but also many of his opponents believe to be the existential threat to the United States.

    Meanwhile the Mosul incident in a sense, became the fulfillment of prophecies of Saudi intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan, who came to Moscow in January 2014, when in Kiev already fire was blazing in full, ignited by the Fourth Reich of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    And if we recall that he threatened then disruption of the Olympic Games in Sochi in the event that Russia will not cease to support the legitimate government of Bashar al-Assad, reaching already partially come true predictions of the terrorist war that will shame the nuclear weapons, the relationship of Hillary Clinton policy with very large donations from Saudi Arabia and Germany becomes almost obvious.

    But the way Donald Trump during the TV debates formulated his response to the accusations of Hillary Clinton in the cavalry (verbal) attacks on Iran, in particular mentioning the cavalry attack by Hillary Clinton on Russia in conjunction with the statement of the inability and unwillingness of NATO to respond to terrorist threats, very few had understood as an allusion to the fact that the main existential threat to the United States and to Russia alike, are the people preventing the two great powers to agree on joint action against ISIS.

    Why Trump chose the tactics of hints in the first televised debate, without even mentioning that – unlike Iran – Russia can destroy the United States by pushing the button and cavalry charges on it are much more dangerous than an attack on Iran, it remains a mystery, but for those who are in the know, it is clear that during the debate he indicated his willingness to further elevate charges against Hillary Clinton from her weakness as Secretary of State to accusations of deliberate provocation by her of a conflict between Russia and the United States in the interests of Saudi Arabia, the European Union and ISIS.

    The latter assumption has acquired special significance after the threat of terrorist attacks on Russia, voiced last week by US Navy Rear Admiral John Kirby, now the official representative of the [still] Clinton’s State Department. And what Donald Trump has speculated in this form 4 days before the Rear Admiral made his “brilliant” contribution to the art of diplomacy, to some extent got its explanation in response of Hillary Clinton, who at the end of a televised debate just degraded to a pig squeal, accusing Trump of ungentlemanly treatment of women.

    It seems that this time the result of the elections in the US will really be determined not only at the polling stations, but in highest places, where a week ago, they watched TV debates, preliminary demanding of the candidates to behave within certain limits. And Donald Trump, by predicting cavalry assaults on Russia by the State Department, stepped on Hillary’s sore spot, forcing her to leave this framework, and without having to leave it himself. That’s why he scraped in front of her during the televised debate, and only after she fell into trap, told how he imagined the rough, rather harsh response to Hillary Clinton, but just could not do it.

    It is difficult to interpret the statement differently than an explanation of his gentlemanly behavior during the first televised debate, addressed to his supporters and a threat addressed to highest places not to give it up on him, if Hillary Clinton will not return to the designated limits of behavior.

    That what explains the last question regarding the readiness of the candidates to concede defeat, and why these elections are of apocalyptic proportions which require the intervention of those whom Trump was talking to during the last televised debate.

    And the story he told in an answer to this question was about thousands of illegal immigrants illegally obtaining US citizenship, of course, was a thinly veiled statement that he’ll concede only if the elections will be fair.

    In particular, the freshly cooked US citizens who received citizenship illegally solely so that they could vote for Hillary Clinton, will not be allowed to vote in the upcoming elections.

  130. Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 6:39 am #

    Many people have asked me if Trump is fit to be POTUS. My answer to them is that he’s too fat to be POTUS. No POTUS, male or female or undecided, should exceed 210 pounds. If Trump wants to be POTUS, he needs to shed at least twenty pounds, maybe more. Yes, I know this will require sacrifice & self-dsicipline on his part. It means no more late night Burritos or mid-morning Baby Back Ribs, but it’s the least we should expect from someone who aspires to be POTUS.

    Look at Putin who Trump & Pence have described as The Great Leader as though they’re North Koreans praising Kim Jong-un. Putin is in excellent shape. If Trump wants Putin’s respect, he needs to strip his shirt off and hop on a horse flexing his pectorals for the cameras. It means Trump needs to embrace a diet that consists solely of the Russian Superfood, Tvorog. It means Trump needs to get rid of his Double D Cup bra that’s holding up his man boobies. It means Trump needs to head to the gym rather than Tweeting at 3am while scarfing Deep-Fried Corn Dogs with a chaser of Pork Rinds & half a dozen Energy Drinks.

    The Suckling

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    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 9:41 am #

      Physical condition is a very weak conditionality for POTUS. The U.S. has had many healthy Presidents and some were utter disasters. So, a candidate’s physical fitness is very minor concern; practically irrelevant.

      What’s far more important are the minions who would ride in on the winner’s coattails. This includes the shady characters hiding under his/her vest. The shady characters are the CFR, Trilateralist, and Jewish lobby-approved operatives.

      If Trump REALLY wants to show his fitness for office, let him GUARANTEE that he WILL NOT bring in any of the above shady characters and NEVER appoint anybody with such credentials.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 10:40 am #

        What’s irrelevant is the position of POTUS, so to your point, it doesn’t even matter if the position is filled by a human. You could make a Kangaroo POTUS or an Acorn Squash or a Rhododendron or an Amoeba and the result would be the same. So yes, you are correct, if it’s a person, their health matters not. In fact, they could be dead and it would still be All Good. Considering the aforementioned, why don’t we just exhume JFK, spiff him up a little considering the miracles of modern science and prop him up behind the desk in the Oval Office and have another showdown with the Russkies. If the Commies prefer, they can do the same with Khrushchev and Humanity can finally do what it was intended to do in October 1962 — annihilate itself. We’ve been The Walking Dead ever since, like soldiers who have somehow miraculously survived the Bloody War. But did they actually survive? Not really. The soldiers, and Humanity in this case, know they/it should be dead so they/it act accordingly with reckless abandon and wanton self-destruction.

        • wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 11:23 am #

          “You could make a Kangaroo POTUS or an Acorn Squash or a Rhododendron or an Amoeba and the result would be the same.”

          So why such a fuss that Obama has a phone and a pen and uses them both? Because the result is not the same when an intelligent Harvard educated Black man is in the White House.

          • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 11:27 am #

            I think BHO proves my point perfectly. Thank you for providing that support.

        • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 12:32 pm #

          The modern POTUS is the face and individual manifestation of the crime syndicate behind him. So, exhuming JFK and propping him up would not quite work.

          It’s like the branding and graphics on a box of cereal, aimed at kids. The POTUS is the imagery and presentation for the collection of toxic GMO ingredients inside.

          A dead JFK would be like a plain paperboard box. It may contain the cereal but, it doesn’t shape your feelings towards what the cereal represents to you. It won’t sell. The box itself has to speak to you as though it’s alive.

          Nope, in the current political paradigm, we have to have a living cereal box hero as our Puppet In Chief.. The toy surprise is the most salient campaign promise. Always over-hyped and rather disappointing after you eat all the crap to get to it!

  131. Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 10:44 am #

    That must be what bothers your brother in law. That and knowing Trump cannot stop her from becoming president. – wpAsoka


    No, it’s not that at all. We all know that Hillary is as guilty as sin on many levels going as far back as her trading in cattle futures (in 1978, I believe), any lack of convictions to the contrary not withstanding.

    Peter is uneducated* and has a similar inability as Trump in “stringing two coherent sentences together” (tm JHK). He is dyslexic, probably ADD, and cannot plan ahead. Plans for social (or business) engagements are a mere general outline often forgotten or at minimum changed several times right up to the last moment. The only comprehensible beef about Hillary that I have been able to glean from my many conversations with Peter is that she has “piano legs” and wears pantsuits.

    Peter still holds out hope that Trump will surprise the world on Nov 8th.

    * He dropped out of college in the midst of his first semester as a freshman at West Virginia. He is as unfit for the rigors of higher education as Trump is for the rigors of the US presidency.

    • wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 11:15 am #

      Peter will be properly cared for under a Hillary Clinton administration. Peter will be so greatful for the care he receives that he will end up a Hillary supporter. Peter is exactly the kind of person who will benefit most from Hillary becoming president.

    • wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 11:38 am #

      “We all know that Hillary is as guilty as sin on many levels…”

      Not true. Those brainwashed by FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, etc. think they know that. Fortunately more objective criteria say Hillary is innocent, blameless, and pure as the climate change driven snow.

      • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 1:06 pm #

        wpa, if you’re going to troll, at least display some savvy with your misinformation and agitation.

        Even YOU don’t believe Hillary is free of any guilt due to her past actions, especially actions that could impact her ability to be elected or even avoid impeachment.

        Why don’t you tie Trump’s false success as a businessman to the windfall of Reaganomics and all the legally stolen wealth that it made possible.

        Why do *I* have to school you on these things?

  132. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 11:03 am #


    Dozens of Afghan troops visiting the United States for military training have gone missing, shedding their US taxpayer funded uniforms in favor of donning clown costumes for guaranteed anonynmity.

  133. Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 11:26 am #

    The Islamic State has called on all American Jihadists to disguise themselves as Clowns and carry a concealed knife to slice their victims throats. Hillary is obliging that decree & heeding the admonition of her Superiors.

    The Next Clown In Chief

  134. volodya October 6, 2016 at 11:51 am #

    This is first for Q Shtik and anyone else that wants to weigh in;

    Bro-in-law Peter is said to be “uneducated” because he dropped out of university. Yet, if he was accepted into university in the first place, it would mean that he had at least 13 years (K-12) in school plus a high school diploma.

    So forgive my old and tired brain but please explain in a way that an old and tired brain can understand, how can it possibly be that, after such a long time spent in classrooms (13 years) and after earning that high school diploma, a person can POSSIBLY be “uneducated”?

    I keep hearing this same claim, over and over, that a certain widely reviled segment of society, is “uneducated” for the same reason as Peter the Bro-in-law. Peter isn’t a one-off, there’s a multitude of people like him.

    Now, like I said, I’m old and tired and so maybe the synapses are misfiring, but THIRTEEN years is a really big chunk of one’s life and, in an American context, represents an exorbitant expenditure of money because last I checked, maybe not including of rural Blacks in the south, American kids aren’t educated in shacks with outhouses in the back. And, notwithstanding objections that American teachers are grossly underpaid for what they do, American teachers don’t work for nothing.

    Ok, let’s assume nonetheless that Peter, after all that time spent in the classroom and all that money spent in furtherance of his acquiring literacy and numeracy, really IS “uneducated”. What does this mean?

    It simply means that the bureaucratic encrustation commonly called the edu-crat establishment, that runs the educational system and that eats up so much in public funds, is an abysmal failure.

    It may also mean that, for all the claims from the edu-crats that they know what they’re doing, they really DON’T. It means that the “system” ie the people running it and employed in it, are either grossly incompetent or negligent or corrupt. Maybe all three. After all they’re the insiders, they run the system, there’s nobody else to blame.

    Now, I hate to do this, I really, really do, but the edu-crats including teachers are ardent Democrat and Hillary supporters and. as such, make claims to moral and intellectual superiority over their political opponents. I regularly hear the guffaws and put-downs of people they deem their inferiors, for example, the inadequately educated. But on what basis do they claim superiority given their disastrous failures?

    All those people like Peter the Bro-in-law are written off as “uneducated” even after thirteen years of schooling. The unavoidable conclusion is they’ve all been horribly screwed by people running the educational system.

    Seems to me that Democrats, who purport to be all for the so-called “little guy”, if the so-called little guy can be said to be people without the exalted college degree, are nothing of the sort. Democrats are frauds, they’re in it for themselves.

    So far the Democrat political calculation is that they can safely write-off these so-called “uneducated” people, mainly consisting of fly-over Whites, because they’ve been able to bamboozle Blacks and Hispanics into voting Democrat, all the while throwing Blacks and Hispanics over-board. One of history’s great con-jobs and Blacks and Hispanics fell for it.

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 12:54 pm #

      volodya, I will have to copy/paste from the Master who could explain the sorry state of American education better than anybody…. George Carlin,

      “There’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

      Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the REAL owners, now. The REAL owners, the BIG WEALTHY business interests that control things and make all the important decisions — forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON’T. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU. They own EVERYTHING. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations; they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State houses, the City Halls; they’ve got the judges in their back pockets, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They gotcha by the BALLS. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying — lobbying to get what they want.

      Well, we know what they want — they want MORE for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They DON’T want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that, that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right.

      They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting FUCKED by system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want?

      They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passably accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.

      And now they’re comin’ for your SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. They want your fuckin’ retirement money. They want it BACK. So they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it ALL from you sooner or later — ‘cuz they OWN this fuckin’ place. It’s a big CLUB. And YOU AIN’T IN IT. You and I are NOT IN the big club.

      By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long, beating you over the in their media telling you what to believe — what to think — and what to buy.

      The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-workin people — white collar, blue collar — doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-workin people CONTINUE — these are people of modest means — continue to elect these RICH COCKSUCKERS who don’t GIVE a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you, they don’t GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. T HEY DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU — AT ALL. AT ALL. AT ALL. You know?

      And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care … that’s what the owners count on, the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day. Because the owners of this country know the truth — it’s called the American Dream … ‘cuz you have to be asleep to believe it.”

      —-George Carlin’s Final Words To The World…

      • volodya October 6, 2016 at 1:07 pm #

        George is right. Too bad he’s dead.

        What George sez goes double for university education. All that tuition money and what the hell for. All those suckers with all that debt. What a con job.

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

        The future is robotics. That quote is so yesterday.

      • Frankiti October 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm #

        Precisely why I am voting for the nightmare candidate… it’s better than the woman of their dreams.

    • michael October 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

      I hate to do this too but I have to refer again to Quigley “The evolution of civilizations” (or rather devolution after some point).

      Institutions become purposes unto themselves and abandon their former mission.

      E.g.: universities:
      Presidents paid like CEOs, villas, yachts to facilitate fundraising.
      The football team and its coach, the stadium.
      Professors limit “contact hours” (intellectual and bio-hazard).
      Undergraduate classes “taught” by ad hoc instructors without prior
      teaching experience.
      The schoolbook scam: every year a new edition for no good reason other than circumvent the used book market.
      Bloated textbooks with no sense of measure and proportion
      (700 page calculus for nurses etc.).

      Its plain and simple: if an institution no longer serves its purpose it needs to be replaced and eliminated. If a society cannot do this it will have to create new instruments while carrying along the useless old ones at increasingly stifling cost. It will then slowly suffocate.

      Looks like this is the way we are going.

      • Frankiti October 6, 2016 at 4:56 pm #

        I read that on average, civilizations fail after 200 years. As did ours… we have only done a better job at preserving the corpse, but rot comes nevertheless.

        • capt spaulding October 7, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

          Actually Frankiti, there is no average time for civilizations to fail. The Egyptian empire lasted about 6,000 years by most reckonings, then Rome for about 2,000 years, and as time went by, the period of influence or rule for each empire was shortened. The current example of the United States empire is reduced to about 50 years (since the end of WWII, give or take) and we are now in the process of coming undone. If this keeps up, the next empire (Chinese) will last even less time. The length of empire seems to be tied to the advances of technology. As technology speeds things up, the cycle time of each empire becomes smaller.

          • Frankiti October 7, 2016 at 6:12 pm #

            I think you may be conflating existence and civilization apex. Pax Romana, the height of Rome’s power (approx. 200 years), did not last long, and it was, more or less, a steady decline to Rome’s end. Egypt had a brief dalliance with empire (roughly 500 years), but was reduced before long to a mere state and then a client kingdom with the Ptolemies and the Romans.

            The US is a civilization in decline. Future historians may argue that it ended with the need to shift production and capital to the far east, the need to import human labor capital from its impoverished neighbors, its submissiveness to Brussels and the world government (UN). The US is still here, but it’s dead all the same.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      Well said, Volly. The purpose of education is to break the spirit and get the child ready for a lifetime of drudgery. At the higher levels, the brokenness is assumed and the broken one is filled with the words of the Masters – indoctrination in other words. That’s what Peter “failed” at – indoctrination. Peter can’t articulate what he knows: what’s wrong and why – but he knows who is responsible and he knows that we need a change. And he’s willing to take a chance on the Man of the Hour.

  135. PeteAtomic October 6, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

    Would either one of these ruthless clowns running for office be so keen for it if they knew it would be similar to being the captain onboard the Titanic?

    Well, maybe they would. Both of these narcissists have an unlimited hunger for power.

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    • capt spaulding October 6, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

      Well Pete, I think there are a whole passel of elites, and they naturally tend to congregate where the power is: Wash DC. I think what we are headed for is just a repeat of what human society has seen throughout history, the rule of the many by the few. There’s nothing new about the situation we have. There was a short time where the people had at least a little voice in what was going on (Roosevelt era), but after that, the elites saw what was happening and realized they had to buy their way back in to power. Mission accomplished. What comes next I don’t know. If history gives any clue, we will have a dictator like Hitler, who was elected by the people,who run the country with a small core of the faithful supporting him. I’ll let you decide who that is.

  136. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

    “after earning that high school diploma, a person can POSSIBLY be “uneducated”?” — Volodya

    Education is necessary to become functional cannon fodder. Schools teach critical thinking, which is not necessary in basic training, and that is why Republicans oppose the common core curriculum.

    But if you believe, as many libertarians do, that there is no relation between going to school and becoming educated, then vote libertarian because they want to end government involvement in education.

    I think our armed forces would suffer and I rely on those rough men sleeping in their beds, receiving endless benefits, to keep me safe so I can post here /sarcasm off.

    I won’t be voting libertarian.

    I want to abolish the military and force those rough men asleep in their beds to do something productive with their miserable goldbricking freeloading parasitic lives, lives whose very existence is dependent on my taxes, on wasting half the federal budget to keep their defense welfare scam going.

    Elect Trump and watch the country collapse from internal militaristic contradictions. Then you won’t have the luxury of reflecting on nuances of schooling and education. Of course, from your perch in Canada why do you even care?

    • michael October 6, 2016 at 2:50 pm #

      “Schools teach critical thinking”.
      Where did you get that idea?
      Do you see a lot of critical thinker about?

      • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

        “Critical thinking” is a bullshit term. One is said to be a critical thinker if their views agree with yours.

        • Frankiti October 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

          The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -GB Shaw

    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

      wpa, George Carlin was speaking directly to YOU in regards to why the American education system is such a clusterfuck.

      Do CTRL-F “George Carlin” on this page to find the entire copy-paste of his rant.

      From beyond the grave, he is looking at YOU, wpa, when you read it.

  137. volodya October 6, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    Cold, I agree, there’s no second act. It’s over and it was all avoidable if not for the all devouring greed and stupidity of the American Oligarch class.

    What the Oligarch class did was to hand over American industrial might to the Chinese. Now, maybe all would be fine and dandy for the Oligarch if China was a friendly democracy that runs by the rule of law. But it isn’t and doesn’t.

    Chances are you’ll get a fair shake in the UK or France. But move your business to China and you will get fucked. If you want to stay out of a nasty Chinese prison, you will do what the Chinese say, you will pay them what they tell you, you will hand over your technology when they tell you. Or, more likely, they’ll just steal it. And if you want compensation you’ll find out you’re out of luck. Their courts are a joke and they’re out to screw you Mr Big Deal American Biz-nesman.

    The American Biznesman may bend politicians to his will in America. He may call the shots in America. Not so in China. Mr American Biznesman may think he has power. He thinks that in his glass walled office tower he’s the real deal.

    But the Chinese men in Beijing that control legions of police and military will explain the facts of LIFE to Mr American Biznesman.

    A multitude of American CEOs and other lower level execs are finding out what a lot of people have been saying for a long time now. The facts of LIFE over yonder are different. Read what Barry Lynn said not long ago in the Atlantic.

    The long and the short is that those industries are not coming back. The Chinese have them and for the sake of the survival of the Chinese regime, China is where those industries will stay.

    • wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm #

      Let’s all thank Richard Nixon for “opening” China to stupid US businessmen… Trump’s line of clothing is made in China using slave labor.

      • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

        It was Henry Kissinger who went in, under cover of darkness, and made all the arrangements. There were Jews in Beijing at the time and Kissinger worked with THEM before Chairman Mao and Nixon formally met.

        Communism and Jews go together.

        • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

          i do like Chinese food.

          i wonder if that’s the start of communism for me?

        • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 8:51 pm #

          Mao was born, when? Communism started there at what point?

          Did USA leave a lot of weapons there at end of WW2 that Mao got?

          • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 4:18 pm #

            I’d say Maoist China gained more benefit from Stalin than from any leftover U.S. weapons. When Beijing and Moscow split apart, China had enough examples of Russian and U.S. weapons to make their own copies.

            An amazing example of China’s aversion to innovation is how long they keep weapons systems and upgrade them as needed. The Chinese loved the MiG-19 and produced it until 1986. Then developed and manufactured their own upgraded version, the J-6 until they were retired in 2010. The Chinese are STILL using their variation of the 1950’s vintage Tu-16 bomber but, the H-6 is greatly improved.

            Regardless, the Chinese aren’t into fixing things that work for them.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm #

      Exactly, volodya. There’s one thing I like about the Chinese System — they execute CEOs and Top Executives in China. Wouldn’t it be great if we did that here in America. We could create a deck of playing cards. Who would be the top five on your list?

      • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

        Yes, exactly. Fascism has replace the abnormal system of Communism – without human rights, alas. But don’t blame that on Fascism: the Far East never had them. They never developed that way at all. Fascist Theory states each Nation will develop its own Fascism in line with its own traditions and values. So this is very Chinese.

        Maybe Japan will retain some of what it has absorbed from the West in the long term. And of course, that’s both good and bad.

        I admire the East: they never believed the illusion that the public and private spheres could be kept separate. One must dominate – and obviously it should be the one that is mandated to serve and govern the Nation. Capitalism is much smaller than that and is so by definition and nature. Anyone who does anything besides try and increase profits can be sued by shareholders. It’s not a Company’s job to serve the People – it’s the Government’s. And it is the latter’s job to keep Companies in line.

      • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

        Here, I’ll start the list:

        1. Lloyd “Client Shmiant” Blankfine

        • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 4:06 pm #

          better check your spelling before printing the decks

          could kill the wrong man


          • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 4:54 pm #

            OK, fein, I’ll check the spelling!

            God, how I hate spelling trolls.

          • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm #


            We’re talking about an innocent person’s life and you justify your incompetence with ‘God, how I hate spelling trolls.’!

  138. wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 1:29 pm #


    “In nominating Donald Trump, the Republican Party has asked the people of the United States to entrust their future to a man who insults women, mocks the handicapped, urges that dissent be met with violence, seeks to impose religious tests for entry into the United States, and applies a de facto ethnicity test to judges,” the letter reads. “He offends our allies and praises dictators. His public statements are peppered with lies. He belittles our heroes and insults the parents of men who have died serving our country. Every day brings a fresh revelation that highlights the unacceptable danger in electing him to lead our nation.”

    Among the letter’s signatories are former Reps. Bob Bauman (R-Md.), Steve Bartlett (R-Texas), Tom Coleman (R-Mo.), Bill Clinger (R-Pa.), Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.), Tom Petri (R-Wis.), Mickey Edwards (R-Okla.), Bob Inglis (R-S.C.), Vin Weber (R-Minn.), and Dick Zimmer (R-N.J.), and former Sen. Gordon Humphrey (R-N.H.).

    • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 2:01 pm #

      He belittles our heroes and insults the parents of men who have died serving our country. – wpa quoting some former “lawmakers”


      Just like you Asoka.

      • wpa_ccc October 6, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

        FORT HOOD, Texas ? The United States Army, citing threats from North Korea, Iran, Russia and the Islamic State, has put its most powerful combat units on a war footing, ready to slug it out, if necessary, in high-intensity battle.

        Even as GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump claims the military is “in a really bad state” and “totally unprepared,” the Army’s data show it is more ready for major combat than it has been at any time since 2003.

        All they do is slack and train, wasting time and petroleum, wasting our most precious resources.

        I am wpa–ccc.

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 9:04 pm #

        And misspells ‘anonynmity.’

        2 ‘N’s not three.

    • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 9:41 am #

      According to your usual biases the condemnation of the GOP should be a ringing endorsement.

      In fact it just underscores the truth of what George Carlin said, quoted above.

  139. Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

    You have to admire the tenacity & efficiency of the Chinese in meting out Justice and harvesting Organs. The Chinese aren’t squeamish about such things — they don’t vacillate & equivocate. They get right to it without worrying about the moral implications. Trump respects such unwavering commitment when you consider his comment about PTSD. No PTSD for the tough Chinese who have a job to do and do it, no questions asked. “Get out there you Bastards and mete out Justice quickly & efficiently and bring me Organs!! I want Organs!!! More Organs!! More Executions!! More Justice!!”

    This is coming to a Theater Near Us very soon. Wanna bet?

    China’s Mobile Death Vans

    • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

      Yes, they are very dangerous. As one 19th Century Clergyman said, Do not awaken the Dragon. They awoke the Dragon.

      When Dogs were a problem in one province, they sent out animal control to beat tens of thousands of dogs to death. They did it right on the street and then just threw the dead and dying dogs in the truck.

      And of course they eat dogs – after skinning them alive, which improves the flavor. The Dog is our sacred animal and we cannot forgive this. We must not. In the White Republic, all Chinese will be courteously ordered to leave. Let us respect the Sons of Heaven – and have as little to do with them as possible.

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 8:55 pm #

        What brought down the ‘Iron Curtain’ was the Inventions of Whites.
        From cell phones to BMWs.
        Not just ‘Radio Free Europe.’

        China awakes or awakens is the name of a small book you can check. IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME.

        • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 10:28 pm #

          Before personal computers and before affordable VHS players for the home, we had shadowy Jews to sow the spores of social and political unrest behind the Iron Curtain. Kissinger secretly met with high-level Jews, operating in the shadows, in Beijing that set the stage for Nixon and Chairman Mao. Ultimately, to the destruction of both countries.

          China has lost its revolutionary identity, the U.S. lost its industrial muscle, and both lost the integrity of their respective social fabrics.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 3:44 pm #

      Why don’t you, Cold, before blaming Chinese for organ transplant business – which is ABSOLUTELY REPULSIVE – find out if your politicians – Clintons – benefit from booming organ harvesting business in Kosovo and Ukraine.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

        I’m not blaming the Chinese, I’m admiring them. They’re like a Super-Organism that acts as one. It’s awesome.

        I admire Putin too for his ability to permanently silence dissenters. The Nemtsov Execution was spectacular. No PTSD for Putin, nosireebob. He makes his message loud and clear. PTSD is for weaklings. Putin is not a weakling. That’s what a steady diet of ???????? ?????? will do for you. Yum.

        • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm #

          The Chinese are socially strong PRECISELY because they DO NOT PRACTICE “DIVERSITY.” Same thing for the Japanese and Koreans.

          East Asians aren’t into self-inflicted wounds, or social-scaled scat parties (a.k.a 3rd World immigration), like the West.

          • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

            Lots of diversity in China.
            North – South.
            Islam, Tao and Confucian heritage.
            etc etc.

            However their Xenophobia keeps the land together.

          • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 10:19 pm #

            malthuss, perhaps I can rephrase my comment.

            China’s “diversity” is kept within normal bounds that do not insult the legacy population. They don’t deliberately pollute themselves with African immigration or other groups that are regarded as undesirable.

            I don’t know if “Xenophobia” is the correct description of China’s thinking. They are China-centric and see no benefit to the self-destructive, “diversity,” so popular with Jewish NGO’s and academics.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 7, 2016 at 2:53 pm #

            There’s something like seventy minority groups in China – and they are still somewhat isolated even though most are pretty close to the Han Chinese ethnically. I don’t know if it’s the Han or them – probably both. East Asians are just very ethnocentric. There is ethnic strife in some areas where some of these groups predominate, but all in all they are only five percent of the population. What a blessed situation, one that we once approximated and then threw away.

            The most numerous and alien are the Turkish Uighers (sp?), who are a mixed people, many of whom don’t look East Asian. And of course they are Muslims. They really hate the Chinese and the Chinese really hate them.

      • malthuss October 6, 2016 at 8:57 pm #

        Did they? New one on me.

    • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

      “They get right to it without worrying about the moral implications.”

      An odd thing for you to say…I would suspect that their moral code, developed through centuries of culture, might not mirror ours. If they have no compunction in their culture about killing their enemies, why would PTSD then exist. This might beg another example of our moral weakness, and PTSD might just be another sign of decline of empire….

      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 9:55 pm #

        I was projecting Western Morality. I have no idea what their Moral Code is, if they have one at all. If Mao is an example, it’s nothing to aspire to, I can tell you that.

        • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 9:56 pm #

          Either way, my comment was satire, so of course it’s “odd” if you’re reading it literally.

  140. Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

    Peter is The Rock upon which Janos & Co. are building their Fascist Church. Imagine a conversation between Peter & Janos in person. I would love to see something like that on tape — Janos schooling Peter about Oden & Siddhartha and asking Peter to snatch the Grasshopper from his hand and Peter smashing Janos’ hand and taking the dead Grasshopper and gleefully & childishly saying, “look Master, I did it – I snatched the Grasshopper” while Janos writhes in pain and is unable to respond.

    Although, I imagine if I ever did see Janos in person, I would be repulsed as would a great many genuine people who post here, which, admittedly, is very few.

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    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 3:34 pm #

      Janos is the Chlorine in the CFN swimming pool.

      As long as the usual Jewish apologists continue to expel their intellectual wastes into the pool, then the forum needs more Janos to disinfect the comment space.

      I can envision Janos somewhat resembling Lech Walesa. Perfectly respectable. I’ll bet Janos is a tough chess player!

      Janos wouldn’t stoop to silly tricks like snatching grasshoppers. He would expound on the Self and explain the difference between recognizing the Self and merely seeing the Self.

      • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm #

        “He would expound on the Self”

        …and you would listen

        an audience of 1


        • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 11:07 pm #

          Ten men crossed a river. To make sure they all made it, one of them counted and only counted nine. Alarmed, another one counted and again found only nine. In turn, each of the ten tried and each only found nine.

          What were they doing wrong, grasshopper?

          • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 8:02 am #

            j, for you the answer is that the man counting did not count himself.

            for me, he needs to see One. We are all One, only different.

    • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

      “Although, I imagine if I ever did see Janos in person, I would be repulsed”

      doesn’t require a personal meeting for that

      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

        Good point. Me, on the other hand, you can’t get much more handsome. I have to wear a disguise in public so women won’t strip my pants off and blow me right there on the spot. Still, that’s not even fully effective — they’re also attracted to my irresistible musk. It drives them nuts and makes them so moist they have to wear extra protection for it not to show.

        • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 5:54 pm #

          when you got it, you got it

      • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 11:11 pm #

        Or should I say locust? (Danny jumps up and down in Times Square yelling, “I have wings. I have wings”, even as his chicken wings jump out of the bad and onto the pavement. The moral quandary: should he pick them up and eat them? He wants to! And it only been a few seconds….)

        What would you do if you were Danny?

        • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 8:04 am #


          dannyboy’s vegetarian.

          and that’s Mr Danny to you. We share no familiarity because you are not welcome as you are.

          • elysianfield October 7, 2016 at 10:17 am #

            What kind of meal, vegetarian, did you get for your $84?

          • dannyboy October 8, 2016 at 6:03 pm #

            e something light
            in Manhattan light costs more

            but is more haelthy

            never understood people’s desire for Big servings

        • elysianfield October 7, 2016 at 10:36 am #

          “What would you do if you were Danny?”

          Offer the soiled ones to one of the ubiquitous street people, making note of time/place for tax purposes…part of d’s charitable work….

          • dannyboy October 8, 2016 at 6:05 pm #

            the whole thing is j’s delusions

            “Danny jumps up and down in Times Square”

            can you ever imagine dannyboy in Times Square???

            There is Nothing There. No There There.

            attracts people who don’t know what Something looks like.

  141. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

    I admire Putin too for his ability to permanently silence dissenters == Cold

    Most of all I am struck and disgusted by the audacity and the ubiquity in Russia of hidden Clinton propaganda in the Russian “patriotic” TV.

    It reminds me of how the paleface brothers caught the red-skinned patriot, gave him a couple of days to sleep under a blanket of smallpox patient and let him out to seek other red-skinned patriots and tell them about the paleface brothers.

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm #

      A truly amazing revelation you just presented Finca,

      WHY would Russian TV feature ANYTHING that comes from ZOG Amerika (Hollyweird) as a way to entertain the Russian people?

      It would be one thing to feature foreign movies that extol bravery, character, noble suffering, or beauty. But WHY does Putin allow his own “patriotic” media to flush American shit onto his people??? Especially anything to do with the Clintonistas??? WTF?

      I’ve always liked Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov. He represents a nationalist and rational pseudo-Communism that is actually Russian and not Jewish. He would put a stop to letting American shit pollute his people through the TV.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm #

        Maybe because he and The Clintons are in bed together. Why do The Clintons allow Russian Oligarchs to own Southern Florida? Same reason. If I were POTUS, I would extract all Americans from Russia and all Russians would be escorted out of America, especially the scummy, crooked Russian Oligarchs with their gaudy Southern Florida Palaces. Money can’t and doesn’t buy refinement. Russian Oligarchs are Russian Redneck Scumbags with money. In otherwords, Lowlifes. And I want them out of MY country. NOW.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

        The entire body of Russian government, as I have already stated, was mostly formed in the 90s by the “American consultants” sent by the Clinton administration.

        First and foremost it concerns the mass media. What do you think explains the unbelievable audacity of Clintonites in the current Administration towards Russia as not their sincere belief that they still own the Russian elites?

        They are still betting on regime change and it is a very dangerous bet.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 5:11 pm #

      Does such a thing exist? If so, can you provide a malware-infested link to support your assertion? I’d like to give you my personal information to include my Social Security Number and my Credit Card Numbers & Bank Account Numbers. I know times are tough in Russia with the return of Breadlines & Beatings, so I’m willing to lend a hand. Why else would Russian Hackers be stealing such things unless they were starving and going without?

      • FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

        Cold, you need to get a control of yourself – you are going bunkers.

        • Q. Shtik October 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm #

          haha – bunkers – haha ha ha

          • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 11:29 pm #

            Yeah, that was a bunker buster. Do you think it was intentional? Or does Ivan simply not know mid twentieth century lingo as well as he thinks?

  142. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:11 pm #

    The anti-Normanism of Ilovaisky was introduced into Russian society through the old members of the English club of Count Palenov, the manager of whose estate was the father of Ilovaisky, with the aim of destructing of the Russian society.

    Astonishing is the accuracy with which the crack was chosen in order to drive the peg into the society and split the entire body. And the plan twice in the 20th century almost succeeded – once in 1917 and then in 1986, and only the intervention of higher powers saved Russia from disintegration into complete nothingness.

  143. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

    I’ve always liked Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov – JIF

    The leader of Russian Communist Party Zyuganov is probably in the first ranks of overthrowing Putin on pseudo-patriotic grounds.

    The only thing that keeps Putin afloat – and its a lot! – an overwhelming support of the Russian people, not the elitists.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

      Believe me, the Russian politics is no less fucked up than American, that’s what makes the entire situation so dangerous.

      • dannyboy October 6, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

        you say tomato
        i say tomatoe…

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 6:08 pm #

      Find, who represents the best interests of the Russian people at large? Vladimir Putin or Gennady Andreyevich?

      Would Putin’s popularity change if GAZ had greater public media exposure and presented his case? Or, is there something behind the scenes that would give me a better view of things in Russia?

      • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

        Before the power goes down in your location…my buddy in Oak Hill has resisted the evacuation order and maintains he will ride it out…lives on Gary Street on the canal. What do you know of storm surge?

        • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 9:58 pm #

          elysian, your buddy in Oak Hill can stay but, he can expect NO HELP if he gets in trouble. Being that he’s right on Mosquito Lagoon, he might get flooded out. The lagoon is enclosed and there’s no place for the water to go. I hope the developer built up the land to give him some elevation.

          The storm surge from this hurricane is estimated to be 10′-11′ high!!! That will DEFINITELY wash over A1A and flood the lagoon!

          If things get desperate, I hope he has a strong boat that can be buttoned up and a heavy anchor to stabilize it. He will get dragged around and beat up but, he will live.

          • elysianfield October 6, 2016 at 11:14 pm #

            Thanks. If/when the smoke clears, he will report on the experience…and I will post anything interesting.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 6, 2016 at 11:19 pm #

            I envy you. Great Storms are a manifestation of the Power aspect of God, Shiva the Destroyer as the Hindus personalize it. You have an unrivaled opportunity to feel this and worship it – or become it. Align your prayers with the Storm and send them out to destroy our Enemies. And if the Centre comes over your abode, enjoy an external manifestation of the inner state.

          • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 8:06 am #


            sorry to hear of your “inner state”

            try changing

          • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 9:48 am #

            Finally got my power back. Unlike a bit earlier, I think the power will stay on for longer than a few minutes.

            The eye was just offshore and it was roaring! When the power went out, I just went to bed. I was satisfied that my preparations were sufficient. A bit of yard cleanup and I’ll be back in business.

            Shiva did a fine job pruning my huge Royal Poinciana and Ironwood tree! My overgrown shrubbery sacrificed hundreds of leaves and twigs defending my home. It will all come back.

            The hurricane is northeast of me now so, the worst is past. There’s still an angry roiling gray sky overhead and the clouds are moving at an incredible speed. Very humid, too.

          • Janos Skorenzy October 7, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

            Danny: If thine Eye is single, your body will be full of Light.

          • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 7:19 pm #

            j –


  144. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 5:59 pm #

    Russia – the Evil Restrainer


  145. FincaInTheMountains October 6, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

    I already once experienced it. The end of the ‘70s, the US taunts USSR by installing medium-range missiles with a flight time of 5 minutes in Europe and Afghanistan, plus a program of the Strategic Defense Initiative.

    And then it turned out that it all was a distraction of the relevant services from the collapse of the ideological foundations of the society, and slowly but surely advancing to higher positions in the state of the Spotted Judas – Gorbachev.


    And the tip of the bureaucracy at that time thought that ideological work is such a sinecure for their children and wives, because nothing depends on the ideological work – it’s all just propaganda.

    And now the strategists of the Black Project are calculating by making Russia nasty things such as the bombing of the Hmeymim base or violation of the Montreux Convention, to bring the matter to Perestroika 2.0.

    And Russian media creates information noise, which is not amenable to any logical analysis, and for this reason does not allow Russian citizens to understand what is happening and create a coherent picture of the world, go about their business: re-establishment of the educational system, reform of the Academy of sciences, literature and the fine arts, cinema and finally the circus!

    And most importantly, the wording of the national ideology, without which all these peoples inhabiting Russia, has no reason to live in one state. And believe me, there are plenty willing to help them in their struggle for freedom, and at the same time to bring to power Gorbachev-2.0

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  146. malthuss October 6, 2016 at 9:00 pm #

    The Big Picture, Globalism for the common man,


    DECLARATION – Introduction – 3.) We resolve between now and 2030 to end poverty and hunger everywhere; to combat inequalities within and among countries; to build peaceful, just and inclusive societies; to protect human rights and promote gender equality and the empowerment of women and girls; and to ensure the lasting protection of the planet and its natural resources. We resolve also to create conditions for sustainable, inclusive and sustained economic growth, shared prosperity and decent work for all, taking into account different levels of national development and capacities.

    Hillary Clintons 1996 book,- It takes a village -:

    “I believe the primary role of the state is to teach, train and raise children. Parents have a secondary role”

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 9:33 pm #

      Typical dystopian New Left rubbish. Lots of buzzwords but nothing concrete.

      There is NOTHING sustainable in that declaration. Their idea of combating inequality is to enable the 3rd World invasion White countries and coerce the beleaguered Whites into accepting them on their terms.

      Empowerment of women and girls is nothing more than ramping up police state harassment against men, increasing the agitation against men on colleges campuses, and continued EEOC harassment.

      The only people who will be forced to live “sustainably” are the Bottom 80% of White countries. The only way to create REAL sustainability is to repatriate productive work and tie domestic production with domestic consumption to the greatest extent possible. That requires repatriating heavy industry back to the White countries. Restoration of the old progressive tax rate that goes all the way up to 95% is the only way to drain the swamp. It’s also the only way to ensure that Labor is paid first and paid in a way that doesn’t require EBT or other government benefits.

      The best form of sustainability is to break up Corporate mega-farms and return them to early 20th century tenant farms. But, with the option and incentive to eventually buy and own the property. That will absorb a HUGE number of an under-utilized workforce.

      There must be an Ownership Program that enables experienced tenant farmers to buy their land and the right to sell their production. That will also include strong protections for productive farmers and guaranteed parity pricing. The days of cheap throwaway food will be over. The corporatized food supply is precisely what has destroyed our domestic food production, employment, public health and, macro-economic health. The U.S. imports more food than it makes and we have practically no food reserves.

      Sustainability should include legislation to outlaw Just In Time inventory and go back to the old bulk storage system that always had about a week or more of stock in hand. Just In Time is inherently brittle and demands tyrannical controls at all levels of distribution. JIT is NOT sustainable at all.

  147. Cold N. Holefield October 6, 2016 at 9:46 pm #

    It’s a Hurricane, not an Alien Invasion. The Media will hype anything and everything. Hundreds of thousands of people evacuated for a Hurricane that’s not even forecast to make landfall and instead skirt the coast on its way back out to sea. Erin Burnett had the audacity and the naiveté to compare the death toll of Andrew to Katrina. Andrew killed 12 people and Katrina killed 2,000. It’s Apples to Oranges. Katrina was the result of The Levies failing. No such vulnerability exists in Southern Florida. For those of you who aren’t American and don’t know much about this, it’s a ridiculous overreaction. When a real catastrophe comes to America, one that kills millions and maims ten of millions, whether it be manmade or natural, these reactionary fruitloops won’t know what hit them. They make mountains out of molehills as steamrollers are at the ready to flatten them like pancakes — steamrollers they can’t see for the life of them. America is this idiotic and this out of touch with reality. A bunch of Invalids. Vlad Putin is saying to himself, “this is too easy.” He’s right. America is like Lennie Small in Steinbeck’s Of Mice And Men — a big stumbling lummox that doesn’t know its own power and has no capacity to see itself for what it really is. It’s that today, right now. Tomorrow I’ll come up with another equally fitting metaphor.

    • JimInFlorida October 6, 2016 at 10:06 pm #

      South Florida isn’t the problem. It in MY County of Brevard! The elevation is very low and the barrier islands will be washed over in most locations. That means the water will roll across the Indian River and attempt to go inland.

      Fortunately, I live in a decent neighborhood built back in the 1960’s, which means they are all good concrete block homes with decent elevation and drainage. Woe unto those who bought overpriced and underbuilt homes over the past 30 years!

      • malthuss October 7, 2016 at 1:10 am #

        Are you latent Homosexual?

        Who are you [my apologies to ‘The Who’].

        • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 8:44 am #

          I wasn’t criticizing you at all, malthuss!!! You, me, and Janos are fellow thoughtcriminals on this forum.

          I was taking that example of Globalization and expounding on the absurdities contained in it.

          There is PC “sustainability” and then there is practical sustainability. I was explaining the difference.

          • malthuss October 7, 2016 at 10:14 am #

            My question was a joke. Some weeks ago someone posted that you might be queer.
            Hows the weather?

          • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 3:58 pm #

            The weather is better. Lots and lots of tree litter on the streets!

            The eye came very close to the shore which is good in my case. The situation of my house is well buffered against winds from northerly directions, including east and west. Had the storm come up the middle of the State, I would have suffered winds from the south and that’s NOT GOOD in my case!

            Everybody who knows me also knows that I am perfectly hetero-normal and respectable. That makes me a thoughtcriminal in some circles but, that’s life.

  148. Q. Shtik October 7, 2016 at 1:26 am #

    Bro-in-law Peter is said to be “uneducated” because he dropped out of university. – Volodya


    My use of the word “uneducated” was unfair or, more accurately, inaccurate. Peter had 14 years of school – he was ‘left back’ once, or as some people say ‘held back’. And yes, he graduated high school but as we all know there are H.S. diplomas and then there are H.S. diplomas. They are not fungible as a bucket full of freshly minted pennies.

    Peter will turn 70 on Sat Oct 8th. He has achieved his biblical 3 score and 10. I often wonder how……he is such a scatter-brain. I hate to ride in a car with him at the wheel…my heart is always in my mouth. His wife died 2 years ago and it has since become apparent to me that she was the organizer and administrator of their lives. Without her he is a mess.

    Enough about Peter for now. I don’t want to sand-bag the conversation. (A college English professor once asked me, “Qshtik, are you trying to sand-bag this class?”)

  149. Cold N. Holefield October 7, 2016 at 6:14 am #

    No word from JimInFlorida since 10pm last night. I guess he either drowned, is still passed out drunk or he’s out looting. I enjoyed his comment about how his friend who decided to not evacuate should not expect any help. I have to laugh at this attitude of “help me, help me.” The Federal Government and the State Governments will be more than happy to help you. Watch, Rick Scott’s Mosquito Spraying planes will be out in full force after this storm to protect all you fine, self-sustaining, eighty-year-old, rugged Florida Pioneers from the Zika Virus as they spray neurotoxic chemicals all over you. When you ask for help, it’s rarely the help you hoped for — help comes with a litany of conditions, the first of which is the forfeiture of your soul & spirit.

    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 9:12 am #

      Finally got my power back! Still lost power twice again trying to reply here!

      I am here and SOBER. My huge Royal Poinciana tree received a nice pruning, my treasured Ironwood tree REALLY got pruned, my banana trees are wrecked. No bananas this year for me.

      I am White, which means I am not going to be looting. I prepared for this storm (having lived through others) so, I don’t need the Feds to help me.

      You better believe I want those mosquito helicopters going! It’s easy to talk about mosquitoes but, wait until you experience Florida without spraying! Power is browning out again. I’m out.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 7, 2016 at 10:50 am #

        The Seminole and Miccosukee managed the mosquitos just fine for tens of thousands of years before the dainty Pale Faces arrived with their Neurotoxic Chemicals. If you need the chemicals, you don’t need to be there. The last laugh will be on you & your kind as your fresh water disappears and your coastlines turn to permanent algae blooms. I expect nothing less from Clueless Clusterfucks who elect a Gray Alien as their Governor. FYI, I, once upon a time, lived in Southern Florida and I witnessed the destruction of that once pristine habitat first hand.

        My State Governor Looks Like An Alien.

        • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

          I didn’t vote for Governor Cue-Ball. The Democrats deliberately put up mediocre candidates to run against him and take a fall in 2010 and 2014. I voted Third Party in both cases, just out of spite.

  150. Cold N. Holefield October 7, 2016 at 6:27 am #

    Q. Shtik said: I don’t want to sand-bag the conversation.

    What conversation?

    What would be really interesting is if this Hurricane Donald stirred up the Hydrogen Bomb entombed in the mud on the Georgia Coast and detonated it. I’d like to see the gaggle of intrepid reporters from all the Major Spectacle Networks report from Ground Zero when that takes place in their fancy rain coats like little children playing in the rain and smiling & giggling at the raindrops hitting them in the face all the while telling you how serious it all is — so serious they’re right there in the midst of it like they’re children again. I have NEWS for them. There is no “again.” They never grew up. Those who can’t think and don’t care to think have not grown up. That means, necessarily, America is a nation of children — children with a nuclear arsenal that can destroy most life on the planet. A sobering thought at 6:30am in the morning.


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  151. FincaInTheMountains October 7, 2016 at 7:06 am #

    Something in this clip is absolutely charming


    • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 8:09 am #

      tricky enticement

      clever, but we’re just too smart for yous

  152. FincaInTheMountains October 7, 2016 at 8:08 am #

    By the 16th anniversary at the helm of Russia Vladimir Putin, have to withstand a great stress – the world oligarchy provokes a direct confrontation in Syria between NATO and Russian Air Force and irreparable can happen at any time. Tensions reached perhaps the peak in the recent history, and the main thing here – do not give in and do not waver.

    At a meeting with the prince of Monaco, it was obvious that Putin’s thoughts were in Syria – not to allow Americans to provoke military conflict and thus to continue the liberation of Aleppo.


  153. FincaInTheMountains October 7, 2016 at 11:54 am #

    On the Manhattan Bridge someone hung a banner with Putin


    I am a long time, probably about ten years already, is surprising with the degree of popularity of Vladimir Putin in the United States.

    It began after 911, when the Americans held their anger on their establishment, because they have not dealt with the Saudis, who one way or another were involved in this terrorist attack. And Vladimir Vladimirovich, by drenching Russian Islamists in the toilet became seen by them as a knight in shining armor, spearing an Islamist Dragon.

    Then this image has certainly tarnished under the influence of propaganda, but still the efficiency that this propaganda had during the Cold War, it has never been able to achieve again. And then to the anti-Islamist sentiment added irritation of the export of jobs and de-industrialization of America, and Putin began to seem almost a role model, a kind of ideal statesman, a leader who really cares about his people.

    In this he is not only a potential partner of President Trump, but his rival. Hillary did not know what she was doing when she called Putin a founding Father of the Trump Movement which is a form of rebellion against the establishment all over the world

    • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

      must’ve been someone from the Brooklyn side

      Democracy isn’t perfect in the U.S.


  154. Q. Shtik October 7, 2016 at 11:54 am #

    It’s a Hurricane, not an Alien Invasion. The Media will hype anything and everything. – Cold


    Every 5 or 10 years the meteorologists get to strut and fret their hour upon the stage while we bean counters toil our entire lives in the cubicles of obscurity. No 15 minutes of fame for us.

    • dannyboy October 7, 2016 at 12:14 pm #

      a good bunco will get you noticed

    • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 12:33 pm #

      Shep Smith’s histrionics as reported on Drudge now seem ridiculous: “You’re all going to Die! Die!” but in his and others defense (somewhat) IF the track had been further inland Shep might have got his wish. He’s from N.O. and has vivid memories of Katrina. Of course everyone knows that N.O. was an accident waiting to happen and they were simply in denial and unprepared. Manhattan, Tampa-St. Petersburg, and Miami are also accidents waiting to happen but in Florida at least there is some semblance of preparation and awareness. After Andrew building codes were strengthened and have been stiffened further since the storms of 04-05. I have two colleagues who live in the sprawl (Palm Beach/Jupiter) and they took preparations expecting the worst. As luck would have it they did not even lose power. It IS possible to build for wind loads (forget storm surge). Tornados not so much… I had more damage and power outage from Hermine up here in the Red Hills, which did not rate the same level of media hysteria. FSU was out of power for six days.

      Of course we have the Climate Change evangelicals piling on, and I expect that soon we will be deluged with missives from the DNC that a vote for Trump is a vote “against the climate” whatever that means.
      I would urge them to research the history of Pensacola FL as well as Providence RI.

  155. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 12:12 pm #

    “I am White, which means I am not going to be looting.” –JiminFlorida

    You lie. If you are white, looting is in your nature. Vikings. Conquistadores. Slave traders. Colonial rapists. Right up to 2016: “We should have TAKEN (looted) the oil” (Donald Trump) Theft. Invasion. Looting. Colonization. Brutalization. It’s who you are… it’s your history on a grand scale if you are white

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    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      Not to justify it but, looting is going on and has gone on. It all depends on which looting yields up the greatest benefit for the most. Wherever Whites have gone, human progress has followed. When Whites leave, decay and ruin are inevitable. In both cases, JEWS are always there to skim the profits on the upside and scam the victims on the downside.

      In today’s times, Jews have looted the most by using their moneychanging and political skills. Women steal from men in the Wedding-Divorce Industrial Complex. The freaks of humanity (LGBTQ) steal the right of Domestic Tranquility from established hetero-normative people. A right promised in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

      BTW, slave trading was a collaborative effort between MUSLIMS and JEWS.

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  156. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 12:31 pm #

    “I don’t need the Feds to help me. You better believe I want those mosquito helicopters going! It’s easy to talk about mosquitoes but, wait until you experience Florida without spraying!”

    You lie. You need federal funding for spraying. Your governor Scott went to Washington to lobby the Feds for money. Your Sen. Rubio delivered federal money to Florida.

    A federal funding Zika package earmarks $15 million for states with local transmissions, with Florida being the only such state so far to take the federal money.

    “I’m glad these critical resources are now moving forward so we can help the thousands of Americans suffering from this virus, step up our mosquito eradication efforts, and develop a vaccine to eradicate Zika for good,” Sen. Marco Rubio said in a released statement.

    • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 12:46 pm #

      But WPA, you like Big Brother to dole out goodies, correct? I think JIF was referring more to the imbeciles who do nothing to harden themselves against the forces of nature and then expect the Federal Cavalry to arrive. Old timers will tell you that it was not air-conditioning that made Florida habitable, it was mosquito control.

      Speaking of which there is a story today coming out of the Keys where the locals are resisting the release of genetically-modified mosquitos specifically targeted at the ZIKA-bearing variety. Check it out. There might be something there to blame on Trump.

      • wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

        “You like big brother to dole out goodies” –Florida Power

        Yes, and because Florida is a taker state, NOT a donor state, it takes more federal money than it sends to the Feds. (Which some might call looting)

        Florida sends $135 billion and D.C. returns $150 billion.

        It’s my hard-earned tax dollars spraying your Florida mosquitoes.

        And you are right that I don’t mind. That’s how socialism works. The makers dole out to the takers for the common welfare of all, or as Marx said, from each according to ability to each according to need. Y’all in Florida need those $150 Billion of FEDERAL MONEY.

        • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 5:18 pm #

          Getting a little testy are we? Maybe because you cannot answer the simple question why HRC went to the extraordinary trouble to set up her private server? At least you are more honest than Elrond. But all this time I thought you were for Bernie, or at least for his ideology, as opposed to the corporatist status quo a’la HRC. Oh — that’s right: Bernie influenced the platform. Which has been read to date by maybe 12 people. Some time ago you posted that the debt was a mere abstraction, meaning it had no reality. Shades of Dick Cheney. I have come around to your point of view. So this business of “donors and takers” is a bit ridiculous in a system where the Federal Reserve can create as much money as it wishes. Why do we go through this charade? Why do we bother paying taxes? Isn’t it time for a debt jubilee? Let’s bail out everybody!

    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

      wpa, you’re getting careless with your trolling. Your ignorance is going far beyond your delusory opinions. Mosquito control is LOCALLY and/or STATE FUNDED; depending on the jurisdiction. I am intimately aware of mosquito control in my area.

      This Zika virus is just another Washington-inspired scare tactic. It follows the same agit-prop of such past hoaxes as the bird flu and swine flu. The days when flu vaccines were actually created to stimulate the body’s own immune system for the purpose of promoting public health are long long gone. It’s pure profiteering and scare marketing. You’re better off not getting any flu vaccines at all.

      Regardless, don’t lump legitimate mosquito control with Governor Cue-Ball-Head’s scavenging for Federal dollars to fight a fake epidemic.

      • wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 3:53 pm #

        And federal dollars support the state. Nice try at separating to fit your anti-fed ideology. You are a looter to the tune of $15 Billion dollars. Florida is a taker state, not a donor state.

        Brevard County Mosquito Control is indebted to NASA all the way back to the 1960s. NASA is federal.

        • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 8:29 pm #

          I believe we’re getting far off the point of this argument. Partly my fault because I’m arguing with a professional troll. How you have time to troll AND teach Women’s Studies at your college is a marvel. Don’t you have some papers to grade or curriculum plans for next year instead of trolling?

          It all started when I said that I needed no Federal help in restoring my property after the hurricane. In addition, I expressed my expectation of getting the mosquito control that I pay for via my taxes. I know full well that public funding is much more complex than that but, such services are part of what any modern state should provide for the public good. I don’t harbor an anti-Fed ideology. I am against the use of Federal resources in a way that is hostile to legitimate citizens.

          In good troll fashion, you detoured the argument away from my personal efforts to clean up the hurricane mess and segued into a screed against a Governor that I never liked anyway. As a taxpaying and legitimate citizen, I DO have the right to expect services that I’m paying for.

          I’ve also never had favorable opinions of modern Flori-Duh. Regardless, it is RICH that you are castigating Flori-Duh for being a net taker while completely indulging the ULTIMATE TAKERS! Your precious 3rd Worlders, illegal immigrants, and Muslims! YOU are the PREMIER APOLOGIST for the ULTIMATE LOOTERS who make up a disproportional percentage of those who peddle the Seven Deadly Sins for a living!

          BTW, Florida used to be a net producer state (agriculture and mining) before Disney World and the resulting, “Geography of Nowhere,” came into being. But, that’s for another rant….

  157. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

    (and another rubber tree plant)

    Nearly 100 evangelical leaders have signed onto a letter urging their fellow Christians to vote against Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who, they write, “has fueled white American nationalism with xenophobic appeals and religious intolerance at the expense of gospel values, democratic principles, and important international relationships.”

    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 2:31 pm #

      That vile chimera, Jewdeo-Xtianity, has ZERO credibility to be speaking on ANYTHING.

      The only “gospel” they preach is the gospel according to John The Leftist. Democracy never works for long. John Adams and Rene Guenon had no respect for it and History has validated their contempt.

      A true Christian government is a King who is vetted, sanctified, and coronated by a legitimate Pope. Since we have not had a legitimate Pope since Pope Pius X, the establishment of such a monarchy presents a problem…

      The best international relationships are between sovereign states that are largely self-sufficient, put their legacy populations first, and interact only to trade for what cannot be made in house.

  158. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 2:39 pm #

    You should talk to Mika to learn about the Vatican’s sins as part of ZOG.

  159. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 2:55 pm #

    A review of 313 polls conducted by 41 pollsters of all political positions shows Hillary is pulling ahead of Trump. Hillary now leads by 6 points, which is beyond the margin of error. With so little time left, Hillary will be our next president.

    In states where early voting is happening Hillary is winning. In actual legal votes already cast (not polls of “likely” voters). Those are the votes that count, the votes that put Hillary ahead by double-digits and determine the electoral vote count.

    • Florida Power October 7, 2016 at 5:40 pm #

      _Bernie 2016? Jill???
      There’s a lot of time between now and election day, and three debates. If the narcotized criminal robot with lipstick can remain standing she could conceivably continue with the scam for another few years. If Assange was merely probing the internet (some odd internet outages reported by Comcast at 4:15AM the day of his non-event) and has “the goods” on the robot he’d do well to wait until just before election time to capture the gnat-like attention span of the semi-duped. The 100% dupes ye shall always have with ye. Recall, Kennedy won the first debate. Nixon is reputed to have come back strong and won the last and had the Big Mo headed into the election. Thanks to voter fraud in Texas and Illinois JFK got SEE-lec-ted. Nixon, when asked whether he wanted to challenge replied he would not put the nation through that.

      Oh, Jake, we could have had such a damned good time together…. Well…isn’t it pretty to think so?

      Have a Great Weekend!

  160. wpa_ccc October 7, 2016 at 3:34 pm #


    Father John Micheal O’neal was rushed to the hospital on January 29 after a major heart attack, but was declared clinically dead soon after his arrival.

    With the aid of a high-tech machine called LUCAS 2, that kept the blood flowing to his brain, doctors at Massachusetts General Hospital managed to unblock vital arteries and return his heart to a normal rhythm.

    The doctors were afraid he would have suffered some brain damage from the incident, but he woke up less than 48 minutes later and perfectly recovered.

    The elderly man claims that he has clear and vivid memories of what happened to him while he was dead. He describes a strange out-of-body experience, experiencing an intense feeling of unconditional love and acceptance, as well as being surrounded by an overwhelming light.

    He claims that at that point in his experience, he went to heaven and encountered God. “Her presence was both overwhelming and comforting” states the Catholic priest. “She had a soft and soothing voice and her presence was as reassuring as a mother’s embrace. The fact that God is a Holy Mother instead of a Holy Father doesn’t disturb me, she is everything I hoped she would be and even more!

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    • JimInFlorida October 7, 2016 at 6:13 pm #