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T he tremors rattling markets are not exactly what they seem to be. A meme prevails that these movements represent a kind of financial peristalsis — regular wavelike workings of eternal progress toward an epic more of everything, especially profits! You can forget the supposedly “normal” cycles of the techno-industrial arrangement, which means, in particular, the business cycle of the standard economics textbooks. Those cycle are dying.

They’re dying because there really are Limits to Growth and we are now solidly in grips of those limits. Only we can’t recognize the way it is expressing itself, especially in political terms. What’s afoot is a not “recession” but a permanent contraction of what has been normal for a little over two hundred years. There is not going to be more of everything, especially profits, and the stock buyback orgy that has animated the corporate executive suites will be recognized shortly for what it is: an assest-stripping operation.

What’s happening now is a permanent contraction. Well, of course, nothing lasts forever, and the contraction is one phase of a greater transition. The cornucopians and techno-narcissists would like to think that we are transitioning into an even more lavish era of techno-wonderama — life in a padded recliner tapping on a tablet for everything! I don’t think so. Rather, we’re going medieval, and we’re doing it the hard way because there’s just not enough to go around and the swollen populations of the world are going to be fighting over what’s left.

Actually, we’ll be lucky if we can go medieval, because there’s no guarantee that the contraction has to stop there, especially if we behave really badly about it — and based on the way we’re acting now, it’s hard to be optimistic about our behavior improving. Going medieval would imply living within the solar energy income of the planet, and by that I don’t mean photo-voltaic panels, but rather what the planet might provide in the way of plant and animal “income” for a substantially smaller population of humans. That plus a long-term resource salvage operation.

All the grand movements of stock indexes and central banks are just a diverting sort of stagecraft within the larger pageant of this contraction. The governors of the Federal Reserve play the role of viziers in this comic melodrama. That is, they are exalted figures robed in magical Brooks Brothers summer poplin pretending to have supernatural power to control events. You can tell from their recent assembly out west — “A-holes at the J-hole” — that they are very much in doubt that their “powers” will continue to be taken seriously. This endless hand-wringing over a measily quarter-point interest rate hike is like some quarrel among alchemists as to whether a quarter-degree rise in temperature might render a lump of clay into a gold nugget.

What they do doesn’t matter anymore. What matters is that a great deal of the notional “wealth” they conjured up over the past decade or so is about to vanish —poof! Perhaps that will look like a black magic act. That wealth seemed so real! The bulging portfolios with their exquisite allocations! The clever options! The cunning shorts. Especially the canny bets in dark derivative pools! All up in a vapor. The sad truth being it was never there in the first place. It was just an hallucination induced by the manipulation of markets and the criminal misrepresentation of statistics, especially the employment numbers.

There are rumors that the Grand Vizeress of all, Ms. Yellen, is flirting with possible indictment over the “leakage” of valuable information out of her inner circle to potential profiteers. Whoops. It may lead nowhere but to me it is an index of her more general loss of credibility. All year she has spouted supernaturally fallacious nonsense about how “the data” guides Fed decision-making. Only her data is contrary to what is actually happening in the pathetic Rube Goldberg contraption that the so-called US economy has become (Walmart + entitlements). Her “guidance” amounts to a lot of futile drum-beating on a turret of the Fed castle, hoping to make it rain prosperity. Her enigmatic utterances have kept financial markets in a narrow sideways channel most of the year until recently.

I’d say she’d lost her mojo, and the lesser viziers on the Fed board are looking more and more like the larval, sunken-chested dweebs that they really are. So where is the nation to turn? Why, to the great blustering Trump, with his “can-do” bombast about “making America great again.” What does he mean, exactly? Like, making America the way it was in 1958?” Behold: the return of the great steel rolling mills along the banks of the Monongahela (and so on)! Fuggeddabowdit. Ain’t gonna happen.

I have to say it again: prepare to get smaller and more local. Things on the grand level are not going to work out. Get your shit together locally, and do it in place that has some prospect for keeping on: a small town somewhere food can be grown and especially places near the inland waterways where some kind of commercial exchange might continue in the absence of the trucking industry. Sound outlandish? Okay then. Keep buying Tesla stock and party on, dudes. Hail the viziers in their star-and-planet bedizened Brooks Brother raiment. Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

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435 Responses to “Say Goodbye to Normal”

  1. Htruth August 31, 2015 at 9:24 am #

    No one notices the slow collapse: https://youtu.be/y2ufKoaUOPY

    • EvelynV August 31, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

      If you are within the 1% or benefit from its penumbra the problem is simple. Reduce the world population by 80 or 90% and you are in fat city.

      Well, unless you ruin your own habitat in the process. If something cruel like the law of unintended consequences happens.

      The radiation oozing from all of our nuclear reactor sites might just be a wrinkle not properly taken into account by those indifferent to mass death.

      • terrasapien September 1, 2015 at 8:59 am #

        Going midevil and sustaining it will include pumping thousands of gallons of cooling water over about 54 spent fuel pools in the US, each containing more than enough contamination to wipe out all human life on the planet, for the next 100 years or so until they cool enough to be filled in and left, still very hazardous for thousands of years, just no longer demanding tons of cooling water everyday. Just when energy resources are scarce, who ever expects to make it through to the year 2200 will need to maintain the pipes, pumps, pools and cooling water everyday, at all 54 locations with no lapse in cooling water flow, in all winter storms with no snowplows, through all conflicts, crop failures, earthquakes, and other disruptions we use fossil fuels to smooth out today. It ain’t gonna happen when there’s no tanker trucks full of diesel for the pumps and well lit heated shops full of tools and fed secure workers to keep it all spinning. Even when the land was pristine, local homesteading took all resources and was a tough go. Imagine if they had to go pedal a generator six hours a day on top just to keep the planet livable. It’s game over folks by nuclear shortsightedness unless the new generations are willing and able to contain the waste from the energy that was pissed away in the good times and sacrifice even more than they already will be.

        • Delcar September 1, 2015 at 12:21 pm #

          Information posted at Wikipedia indicates spent fuel rods spend 1-10 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_cask_storage) or 10-20 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spent_fuel_pool) in spent fuel pools. If this is true, the period during which the materials require cooling is much shorter than Terrasapien’s post implies. The materials most certainly seem to remain hazardous for much longer periods of time due to their radioactivity, and in my opinion should never have been produced, but the particular hazards posed by overheating seem to pass comparatively quickly. Implying otherwise contrary to fact weakens your argument. Your position is correct – no need for counterfactual hyperbole.

    • consultant13 August 31, 2015 at 5:06 pm #

      Kunstler said it best many years ago: We’ll keep doing what we’re doing until we can’t.

    • Neon Vincent September 1, 2015 at 12:45 am #

      Hi, Hammering Truth! Greetings from the other side of the Great Lakes State! I didn’t have anything to say about the stock market collapse, which you mentioned, but I did have a couple of items about Donald Trump, about whom you talked at length. The first is that one can tell a lot about Trump from his supporters, who display their poor writing skills. His fans on Facebook had the most writing mistakes out of all the candidates, which says something about their intelligence and the thoughtfulness of Trump’s ideas, if not Trump himself. The rubes may eat up what he’s saying, but autotune his speech in Birch Run and set it to a dance beat and he’s a hoot–that is, if one can still find him funny. Trump’s being more sinister than gauche these days.

  2. djc August 31, 2015 at 9:33 am #

    Cancer is basically uncontrolled growth that kills its host. Anyone who thinks that we can return to exponential growth to solve our economic problems, as JHK reminds us, is deluded.

    Living a simpler life leads to greater satisfaction and is easier on the environment. The faster the average North American learns this the better. The elite who rule over us will never accept it.


    • Buck Stud August 31, 2015 at 9:52 am #

      If living a “simpler life” means no more joint replacement surgeries that drastically improve the quality of life for most arthritis sufferers (to cite one modern medicine example) then I’m afraid most “average North Americans” will never board the “Simpler Is Better” train. After all, they won’t be able to physically negotiate the on-board steps.

      You can argue that ‘we may have no choice in the matter’ but I don’t buy that is just “The Elites”.who will not accept a simpler direction. Indeed, for many in the lower echelons the benefits of modern medicine is what enables them to keep on keeping on, currently or when the inevitability of future health issues arise,

      The reason the ‘can keeps on getting kicked down the road’ is because both elite and pedestrian alike have a vested interest in doing so.

      • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:51 am #

        Reality intrudes; for those who cannot board the train of medieval survival, they will simply be left behind. It is evolutionary, understand. The weak, the ill, the defective in any population, plant or animal, will not survive. If their defect is genetic, their genes are thus removed from the pool, and life will go on.

        Eventually, if our technique for success proves irrevocably fatal, our species will likewise perish.

        An interesting species, Homo Sapiens, sapiens. I wonder if they will be missed.


        • russ August 31, 2015 at 3:52 pm #

          In a tiny way, we will be missed. By three types of lice that prefer to live on the human body. From a Univ. of Missouri extension link –

          “…There are three recognized kinds of human lice, whose common names indicate their preferred feeding site: head lice (Pediculus humanus capitis); body lice (Pediculus humanus humanus); and crab or pubic lice (Phthirus pubis). To survive, these lice require the temperature and humidity conditions of the human body. They will dry out and die if away from the host for more than a day…”

          These creatures will miss us. And if we are very lucky, dogs will miss us – for a little while anyway.

          Our disappearance will mean nothing to any other creature.

          • chipshot August 31, 2015 at 7:26 pm #

            Mosquitos, roaches and rats, while certain to do fine
            w/out us, might actually miss us.

            But your point is valid.

          • Subvert August 31, 2015 at 11:23 pm #

            I used to think the same way, but after thinking about it. I realized that humans belong on this planet as much as any other species that evolved here and are here for a reason. Nature doesn’t make unnecessary things,every being has a crucial function. Though I’m an Atheist/Animist, like my paleolithic ancestors who wrote it, the story of the Garden of Eden strikes a chord – our most productive role on Earth is to be caretakers of this beautiful Garden Planet. If you look at the story of The Fall from it’s proper historical perspective, as elucidated in “Ishmael” by Daniel Quinn, you come to see that The Fall is a story about our current method of agriculture (Stupidculture) overtaking the formerly free pastoralist, hunter-gatherer society that already existed.

            I the analogy, Cain, the agriculturist killed Abel the pastoralist and we’ve all suffered under the yoke of “Civilization” ever since, making our living by the sweat of our brows instead of relying on nature to provide as all other members of the Community of Life on Earth do. Even Jesus touched on this idea…”the birds don’t sow and gather into barns and yet they are provided for..” Unfortunately, he tied this providence to an angry sky god, Yahweh, who was the Hebrew God of War when they were still pantheists. Only a desperate people would turn their war god into their only god, methinks.

            If we are to have any future on Earth, we will need to accept our proper role of Earth Stewards, rather than aiming for Masters of The Universe – an arrogant and foolhardy goal.

            It sounds harsh but the fact is that modern medicine has warped the Grim Reaper’s role and given us longer, but lower quality lives. People are going to die in this transition. Get used to it and accept it as a positive event. The mass of humanity is only here through artificial means, namely Totalitarian Agriculture and recently, Petroleum. Without those two things, population would have remained stable and quality of life would have prevailed over quantity of life.

            If you’re hip to this, then check out the work that Darren Doherty and others are doing in regards to the Regrarian or Regenerative Agriculture movement which addresses all areas of human concern. Here’s a 20 min video of Darren explaining the Regrarian Platform. This kind of thinking/action is the only game in town if humans want to survive and thrive into the future.


      • Ishabaka August 31, 2015 at 10:51 am #

        Maybe so, but here’s a fact, that’s not politically correct, but is true: more than half of patients getting hip and knee replacements are obese, and their joints have suffered from their obesity.

        • SteveO August 31, 2015 at 12:20 pm #

          When the existing food delivery system collapses obesity will go back to being a status symbol of the very wealthy. All the rest of us will be scrambling to get enough calories to stay alive.

          • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 1:03 pm #

            Poor fat people…now there’s an oxymoron. Fat poor people. Better.

      • Helen Highwater August 31, 2015 at 11:27 am #

        Financial realities will make joint replacement surgeries and other modern medical miracles out of reach for everyone but the elites at some point.

        • SteveO August 31, 2015 at 12:26 pm #

          Once the existing financial system collapses, the factories that make these medical miracles will close along with the factories that make the drugs and ancillary products (tubing, dressings, anesthesia drugs and equipment).

          All of the companies that make these products are dependent on the existing supply chain and financial system. It only takes the loss of one link in the chain for the whole thing to collapse.

          • ozone August 31, 2015 at 12:59 pm #

            Let us hope that the chemical companies that have brought us these myriad sicknesses and “complications” will also disappear along with those in the miracle business who treat the ubiquitous symptoms. (No, these “problems” were not under-reported in the past; check your stats from the mid-’70s to date. Massive increases due to chemical poisoning; the blowback, if you will.)

          • consultant13 August 31, 2015 at 5:17 pm #


            I always laugh when I read about people who think any part of their set up would survive or not be greatly impacted by a partial or full collapse of the modern world.

            One of my pet sayings is that today, we couldn’t win a WW II type of challenge. We’re just not there.

            Climate change is such an challenge. Before WW II, we had a number of people who wanted nothing to do the real events of the world. Today, the same thing with climate change. Easier to say it doesn’t exist or it isn’t a threat.

            We use to have a healthy supply of cooler heads who were connected to reality. Today we have clown cars & the rest of leadership in every field fully bought and paid for.

            Someone looking to get paid will look the other way while a few nukes are loaded up and moved here or there.

            Stick a fork in it. We’re done.

      • joomlabliss August 31, 2015 at 3:49 pm #

        Google “low stomach acid and arthritis” and you won’t worry about hip replacement surgeries. Digestive enzymes too. Google them next to “arthritis”.

    • studejack August 31, 2015 at 2:38 pm #

      I was talking in the same terms as JHK one day, and my boss says to me, “What do you want to do, go back to HORSE AND BUGGY DAYS?” as though this were the most hideous prospect imaginable, akin to living in a cave before the discovery of fire. My grandmother, who grew up before cars were everywhere, never said anything bad about life in 1905 except that her white summer dress got dusty when horses went by. You could take a train virtually everywhere, including my hometown (Lincoln stopped there in 1863 on the way to Gettysburg; I can’t even take a bus there in 2015. What a joke!) We have cures for diptheria (which killed her sister in 1890) and a number of other once-fatal diseases, plus sewage systems. What else we have gained since then, really? I love cars, and I liked car culture until about 1970; since then it has become a form of madness. The Killing Fields of animals maimed and butchered for no reason than somebody having to move his fat American ass from home to gun shop and back.

      • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 4:22 pm #

        I miss trains.

        • saharasergei August 31, 2015 at 4:58 pm #

          I disagree with Jim that it’s too late to have bullet trains in America; our government could tax rich bastards like the Koch brothers (who don’t want bullet trains, of course) to the nth degree to pay for them if it had the political will. Instead, our leaders call American passions for bullet trains “Euro envy.” Well, if I can’t have high-speed rail, I’ll just indulge my EurophiIia in other ways, that’s why I own a German car. Not an expensive one – a Volkswagen, a Golf, the smallest and most fuel-efficient VW you can but in North America. Right now I’m enjoying the fact that gas is cheap and I’m saving even more money on gas than SUV owners do because my Gold uses so little gas. Imagine how much money I could save with a smaller VW, like the Polo and the up!, which are sold in Europe. Message to the Kochs: KISS MY A**, Chuck and Dave!

  3. AKlein August 31, 2015 at 9:47 am #

    “Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.” Observation courtesy of Benjamin Franklin.

    • ozone August 31, 2015 at 1:04 pm #

      Thanks, AK. That seems to be the essence of this Monday’s pointed warning from JHK. He seems to have lost some patience with the techno-topians and warned them that this over-indulgence in hopium might just get them very dead. Good.

      • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 1:02 pm #

        ” It was just an hallucination”

        And here I thought I whuz banned, fer shur (the troll merrily dances)…

        Toxins? Clearcuts? Total Extinction of all living species? Yeah, rIIIght.

        The Techno-Narcisists got that all under control – rIIIght?!? It’s all right there, in your water. NE-1 got secrets – share them NOW…

        We’re going down the drain, very fast/././. Totally *unfortunate*, to say the “least.”

  4. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 10:05 am #

    “If living a “simpler life” means no more joint replacement surgeries that drastically improve the quality of life for most arthritis sufferers” — Buck Stud

    Yes, a “simpler life” would mean much shorter and much more uncomfortable life. How could the modern crisis of international economic management system be translated into a crisis of reasonably well techno-developed civilization? What the two have to do with each other?

    • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:52 am #

      Both depend on fossil fuels for their viability?

      • FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 12:10 pm #

        PetroDollar is not equal to fossil fuel.

        Essentially, it is crazy at this stage of development to burn fossils for energy generation, we must gradually move to modern nuclear technologies.

        I am sure that when World Economic War is over, we will “miraculously” develop commercial Thorium and U238 fission, may be even a fusion reactor.

        • toktomi August 31, 2015 at 5:55 pm #

          Is this your attempt at a little humor to lighten the dour mood hereabouts? lol

          Perhaps, we could convert the entire planet into human biomass – just a big ol’ wiggly ball of Homo sap’s.


  5. zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    Last evening, on an evening news channel, maybe CNN? A discussion about birth rates, and things that various countries are doing to give people an incentive to increase them! INSANE.

    Noted, with wise nods all around, the US population will rise despite declining birth rates. by the miracle of migration, thus assuring economic expansion and that all will be well in this, the best of all possible worlds.


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    • DrTomSchmidt August 31, 2015 at 11:28 am #

      Thank you, Candide. That’s a great summation of the elite views of in-migration.

  6. edr August 31, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    I don’t believe the die off will leave many people to fight over what is left for more than a very short while.

  7. Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 10:08 am #

    What? You mean to tell me that Amazon’s Prime Air project won’t come to fruition? Jesus, thanks for ruining my day, week, month, year, decade, century and millennium.


  8. George August 31, 2015 at 10:08 am #

    “Prepare to get smaller and more local!”

    I’ve had to make this choice because it had gotten too difficult to continue practicing architecture. A couple years ago I was taken in by a Native American community that needed help establishing a micro-farm. This has been surprisingly fulfilling in ways I’d never imagined.


  9. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 10:11 am #

    “Prepare to get smaller and more local!”

    … and, unfortunately, much less (by orders of magnitude) efficient…

    • DrTomSchmidt August 31, 2015 at 11:35 am #

      Efficiency and robustness are at odds. The book Antifragile, by Nassim Taleb, will show you the upside of inefficiency. We can run an “efficient” just -in-time manufacturing system only by pushing chaos elsewhere, into the atmosphere, in the form of fossil fuels burned to power that system.

      The goal is to have true efficiencies survive. We have learned how to build soil, how to harness sunlight for efficient and fast communication via low-power radio, and perhaps, with electric bicycles, how to travel at about 25mph so that our physical space is not limited to the tow we live in. These are all truly efficient, and should be preserved. Most other efficiency is simply taking from one source to give to another, unsustainably.

      • chipshot August 31, 2015 at 2:28 pm #

        Nice to hear someone else recognize the potential of e-bikes.

        Been suggesting for a while they might be the best answer to our transportation problems, only to get glazed, thousand yard stares or furrowed brows in return. Even JHK dismissed the idea in an email exchange a few years back.

        Too bad, cause the window of opportunity is going to close and then e-bikes won’t even be an option.

    • Helen Highwater August 31, 2015 at 11:37 am #

      That depends on your definition of “efficient”. Is it more efficient to go buy chemical fertilizer in a bag to put on your garden, or is it more efficient to make compost to put on your garden? The former takes a lot less time but in the long run it may not be the most “efficient” way to grow food.

      • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

        Efficiency is almost a religion in America. Efficient systems are not robust. That’s all you need to say.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

      Listen, folks, first try to run agro-business in a thirld world country, like I do, with no infrastructure paid by public money – that include electricity and water, with gasoline price twice as expensive as in States, then please lecture the fuck out of me.

      • Subvert September 1, 2015 at 12:17 am #

        If growing things requires petroleum, and all the trappings of ChemAg, you’re doing it wrong brother. Nature creates abundant, functional and resilient ecosystems with no plows, tractors, harvesters, pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, irrigation or human labor. What the F*&% are we humans doing wrong? We’re fighting instead of partnering with nature. Do yourself a huge favor and check this out –




        Start by taking a Permaculture Design course. If you cant find one locally, take Geoff Lawton’s one online. My new career is providing Permaculture and soil health consultancy to “conventional” farmers and turning their farms profitable again, less inputs and more yield now and in the future and a regenerative system that builds topsoil, uses free inputs from nature and hydrates the land. Good Luck to ya!

  10. K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 10:15 am #

    Other places are already deep in contraction. Nine million Syrians have fled their homes since civil war made their contraction official in 2011. Everywhere economies will now contract and anywhere bullets are not flying population will inflate. It is now the time.

    “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.”

    The more things contract the less contraction will be understood. The gyre will widen and the passion of financial alchemists shall intensify vain and empty attempts at magic. Screams of falconers crying for normal will not be heard as groaning winds of anarchy drown out pleas of guidance. The falcon will not hear so chaos will rule the day.

    With lion’s body and the head of a man and a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun. Trump slouches toward Washington to be born.

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    • Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 10:22 am #

      The Syrian Civil War has nothing to do with contraction. It was the purposeful destabilization of Syria by the WWON (World Wide Oligarch Network). All that blood is on BHO’s & his cronies’ hands, not Assad’s alone.

      I’m not saying Syria and The Middle East as currently configured is tenable in the long run, but a contracting global economy had nothing to do with its civil war. It was slated for destabilization and failed state status.

      • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 10:34 am #

        Years of drought is just another word for nothing left to lose. And nothing is all contraction left refugees.

        — Sing to the tune of ‘Me And Bobby Mcgee’

        “The Syrian Civil War has nothing to do with contraction”

        This statement brings ignorance to a new level. Climate change is contraction and the failure of Syrian wheat harvest it has caused has resulted in death and destruction. The causes of the Syrian civil war may not be simple but contraction very much has had something to do with it.

        • Greg Knepp August 31, 2015 at 10:54 am #

          I agree; the Syrian mess has everything to do with contraction. Historically, most wars have been about resource scarcity. Contraction is a relative concept. If the resource base and technological framework remain constant, but demand increases – say, through population growth – then the effect is contraction per person. Add a diminishing resource base to the equation and you have violent contraction…you have Syria.

          • capt spaulding August 31, 2015 at 12:27 pm #

            I would think that the immigrant crisis has everything to do with overpopulation of those countries, Syria, etc., due to cheap oil. Some day it will hit the North American continent as well.

        • sprawlcapital September 1, 2015 at 12:52 am #


          I like your improvisation on a theme from Yeats,

          This Bobby McGee stuff, not so much.

          By the way, typos are everywhere here in abundance today–a sign of healthy exhuberence, I should say.

          • sprawlcapital September 1, 2015 at 12:55 am #

            a theme from Yeats[,] [.]

    • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:35 am #

      Visions of a near future,
      tides of displaced humanity;
      seeking shelter in a ruin
      made from their own hypocrisy.

      • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 10:37 am #

        Walking aimlessly until they can walk no more.

        • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:54 am #

          Not bad… thanks.

  11. Peecan August 31, 2015 at 10:19 am #

    JHK’s latest musings about the economy, politics and societal collapse are always entertaining. On a slightly different note I started watching the series Narcos on Netflix over the weekend and my big takeaway is that Pablo Escobar was one helluva ruthless businessman. He had a whopping net worth of $ 30 billion back in early 90’s! What will happen to the global drug trade if we go medieval?

    • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 10:22 am #

      Can you say ‘warlord’?

      • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 10:36 am #


      • Peecan August 31, 2015 at 10:43 am #

        …and murderous thug too.

    • Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 10:24 am #

      We need a new show entitled Pablo Returns To Farming.

    • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 11:10 am #

      “What will happen to the global drug trade if we go medieval?”

      It will go local, of course. SInce cocaine does not grow in the US, and transportation will become less available in the future, look for US druggies to depend on locally grown marijuana in the mid term and beyond. Near term, once the Mexican border becomes “blurred,” things will likely get worse (in the sense of quantity of drugs), at least in the border states. Gradually, lack of fast transportation and the end of drug laws may cool things down close to the source.

      Long term, with wind powered transportation, a suppose some drugs will still be smuggled across the world. But for the use of the local kings/bosses/mayors, not for the average Joe/Josephine.

      Remember, all of the “spices” on the old spice trail were not for cooking.

    • Helen Highwater August 31, 2015 at 11:40 am #

      People will just have to grow their own, they way they did before we had a global drug trade.

  12. Rodster August 31, 2015 at 10:26 am #

    “Actually, we’ll be lucky if we can go medieval, because there’s no guarantee that the contraction has to stop there, especially if we behave really badly about it — and based on the way we’re acting now, it’s hard to be optimistic about our behavior improving.”

    I don’t think we’ll go medieval either. I’m reminded by the words of the brilliant George Carlin who said, “Pack your shit folks, your going away and you won’t leave much of a trace behind. Maybe some plastic bags, MAYBE”.

    When you see how for the first time in world history that all the economies are tied together and are doing the exact same stupid shit. Which is robbing from the poor and middle class and giving it to the rich because their governments are all being run by their central banks, China included.

    You see all the violents flare ups around the world, you can add Malaysia to the list as well as Turkey, Greece, Venezuela, Brazil, Yemen, Syria, on and on and on. It’s a trend of a system collapse.

    So i’ll tend to side with the view of George Carlin on this one. It won’t be pretty.

    • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 10:40 am #

      Just the opposite of what we were expecting to happen after Jan. 08, when the world was made new, and we all of us were embarking on a journey of peace, harmony and prosperity.

      • Helen Highwater August 31, 2015 at 12:04 pm #

        Some of us thought we were embarking on that journey in 1967 after the “Summer of Love”. ha ha

  13. BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 10:28 am #

    “Get your shit together locally” — Jim

    Jim, this might be hard to do in light of HUDs new ‘Furthering Affirmative action” (or some such nonsense) housing plan, which requires suburbs thru out the US to build public housing projects inside their towns, at their own expense, or else.

    The word ‘local’ takes on a whole new meaning.


    • malthuss August 31, 2015 at 10:47 am #

      Madison, Wisconsin, Back in the 1990s, there was a crybaby editorial in the local “alternative” newsweekly (in fact run and staffed by members of the local SJW/DWL access class/establishment). It bashed on about how horrible Wisconsinites were for being concerned about the flood of welfare parasites gushing in from Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis to take advantage of Wisconsin’s generous welfare programs.

      There was a reviled and hated political movement, for instance, to require people on welfare to find paying employment.

      If you go to this link, theres help for new refugees. The image is of two lazy Blacks banging drums while wearing tribal outfits. Priceless.


      • malthuss August 31, 2015 at 10:48 am #

        When I look at the photo, I get a ‘WTF’ moment.

        Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA) and Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)

      • Zoltar August 31, 2015 at 11:39 am #

        I just looked at the photo.

        How can you tell that they’re lazy?

      • Helen Highwater August 31, 2015 at 11:43 am #

        How exactly do you know that those two Black people playing drums are lazy? Sounds a bit like a racist comment to me. It would also be interesting to know who chose that photo to put on the website detailing those social programs.

        • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 11:48 am #

          Yes it does seem out of place. No caption or explanation. It does not fit.

      • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 11:46 am #

        How do you know the two black men are lazy? Are you racist? What are their names and what did they have for dinner last night?

        What you don’t know? But you knew they were lazy. Did your magical powers fail you?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:08 pm #

          He’s generalizing. A completely valid form of thinking also known as inductive logic. He’s gathered from his and others experience that Blacks are lazy. Now the deductive part: these two are Black, so therefore they are lazy too.

          Of course they might be the exception to the general rule. But their playing drums doesn’t exactly rule in their favor now does it?

          If your reject this process of mixed induction and deduction, you are rejecting the basis of science. If we don’t generalize and categorize, we can’t test, and if we can’t test, we can’t know anything. Prejudice or Pre-Judgment is a result of such thinking. Are there bad or incorrect Pre-Judgments? Of course. But that says nothing about the process itself. Don’t be a bigot or bad Pre-Judger.

          • K-Dog August 31, 2015 at 4:06 pm #

            When you generalize based on nothing but skin color that is called racism and there is nothing inductive about it. From a scientific point of view maltthuss would have to be able to test his assertion which is impossible since we don’t even know who the two brothers are. There is no science here only stupidity to which you have made another contribution.

          • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 2:47 am #

            Nothing but skin color? The Dravidians of Southern India are just as dark as Blacks, but have the features and skulls (and therefore brains) of Caucasians. They are Caucasians. There is far more to race than skin color. And oh yes, they had/have a Civilization with cities, writing, etc. Blacks don’t have squat.

            Kdog fail.

  14. ralphm August 31, 2015 at 10:43 am #

    Keep it up, Jim – hope Bernie’s listening – and to you and your readers, please note my newest contribution to the genre astride which you stand as a spec fic Colossus: “Fossil Nation” (http://www.foundershousepublishing.com/2015/07/new-release-inter-states-fossil-nation.html)

  15. Smoky Joe August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am #

    Medieval? I think our homeless are pretty much there already.

    But I don’t think the collapse would go that far. There are a lot of folks who have basic industrial-era skills to keep a steam-based economy going.

    A few decades after a collapse our landscape would look more like anno domini 1915 or perhaps 1855, not 1055.

    That said, getting there would be horrible. Too many people I know have NO skills, even if they are physically fit. They cannot change a light switch when it blows, let alone grow anything from seed and learn how to save those seeds….

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    • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

      A steam based economy will falter as the supply of wood diminishes. Perhaps we will look like Easter Island?

      Of course, for a while, they will dig up coal. And that will be for the elites only. For most, animal power… and, slavery??? Dare we say the word? Already, there are test messages being transmitted.

      The challenge is long term, after the memory of the computer and automobile becomes part of lore, the last relics having been gleaned for useful metals years earlier.

      The hope is that sufficient knowledge will be preserved, and some vestige of communication and transportation survive. Who knows, maybe a low-tech yet medieval society may provide a comfortable life for our descendants.

      Ah, yes… hope springs eternal in the human breast.


  16. Smoky Joe August 31, 2015 at 10:46 am #

    Should add that the biggest illusion of all is money. I get looked at as if I’m insane when I call it an illusion and suggest that one should invest at least partly in tangibles: precious metals, real estate. I doubt I’ll live long enough to see a full-on collapse, but putting all one’s investments in stocks and bonds is a chump’s strategy.

  17. CMP August 31, 2015 at 10:47 am #

    JHK, I feel I am one of very few Millennials (especially women) who will hear and understand your reasoning. Most are too busy worrying about their precious iClones and thigh gaps to pay attention to anything beyond their own reflection.

    Exponential growth, as someone said above, is the definition of cancer. How can anyone with a functioning brain think this system can go on and on for all time?

    My boyfriend and I plan to get the hell out of Phoenix (I think its end is not far off) and move to the more sustainable climate of Portland, OR, or possible even the coastal areas of Oregon. Live local and small and hopefully contribute something useful to that community.

    In the meantime, I try to help my fellow Millennials see reason…seems to be a futile battle.

    • CancelMyCard August 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm #

      Before you hop on up to Portland or the Oregon coast, you might want to take a look at the following article which addresses the increasing possibility of a major PNW earthquake, and tsunami:


    • jloughrey September 1, 2015 at 1:08 am #

      I lived in Phoenix for 3 years (for school) and have lived in Portland for the past 35 years. We have been “discovered” and are now being overrun by development and transportation issues. The cost of living has skyrocketed while decent-paying jobs are not that plentiful. You might try moving to Eugene or the coast, but as someone else suggested, we are forecast to have the big one (earthquake). If I were younger and had the means, I’d move to France or Italy, though they have their own problems. A Portland friend recently bought a really nice home in the Loire Valley for 60K; since the French economy is cratering, Parisians are unloading their weekend homes for a song. It would be a great place to reconstruct an agrarian society, though.

  18. malthuss August 31, 2015 at 10:50 am #

    I saw a news piece, ‘Huge gas reserves found.’?
    I didnt bother to read it.

    Egyptian coast, eni?

  19. kaisersosa August 31, 2015 at 11:17 am #

    No. .If i read one more person that writes that Fed “made mistakes” im going to puke!!! No. They did NOT make mistakes. The intentional and deliberate implosion of the financial crises in my opinion was planned and orchestrated. Think about “terror”, ..Battles that were designed to never be won. Because the cure is so lucrative to the deep state. .. I even believe that QE was known and conceptualized before the crisis. Just like the patriot act before the inside job. . The Financial crisis and subsequent QE worked exactly as planned. Destroy the middle class, import cheap brown people who breed like rabbits labor, and transfer wealth from 99% to the 1%.. .Mission accomplished !!

  20. sharonsj August 31, 2015 at 11:21 am #

    As I have explained to preppers in the past, just because I know how to spin wool and weave clothes doesn’t mean this is how I want to get dressed every day. First find a sheep and shear it (or just buy some fleece). You card it, spin it, and then you end up with yarn, which can be died using plant substances (if you’re lucky enough to have them growing on your land or you could raid the kitchen for things like onion skins). After a few weeks of knitting in my spare time, I may have a sweater. Or I could weave an entire vest just on one loom, again, in my not very copious spare time.

    Bottom line, though: It’s a lot of work and a pain in the ass. People have no idea how time-consuming homesteading was–that’s why pioneers had lots of kids. I don’t see Americans coping well with the downsizing that the new economy demands. However, I completely agree with buying local produce and learning food preservation (which I’ve already done).

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    • dclacy August 31, 2015 at 1:27 pm #

      I agree. Most folks think that their clothes come off the racks at the department stores and that meat comes from little Styrofoam packages. Before the industrial revolution, weaving was a profession mainly done by men. People had very few clothes. It takes me two weeks just to knit a pair of socks using commercial yarn (in the evening, after work).

      At least you and I will have some viable skills if we live long enough to see the shit totally hit the fan!

    • islander800 September 1, 2015 at 12:46 pm #

      You’re absolutely right.

      People would be enlightened if they read just one multi-page passage in Robert Caro’s biography of LBJ, where he describes in vivid detail what it was like, especially for a farm wife, to live and survive day by day in the Hill Country of Texas, LBJ’s birthplace and home, around the turn of the 20th century before electrification. It is stunning and definitely eye-opening for anyone that thinks it’s “romantic” to go back to the land. Not the stuff of Sturbridge Village or other Disney-like depictions of “the good ol’ days”. It was brutal and life spans, unsurprisingly, were much shorter.

      People romanticizing the return to those conditions should be careful what they wish for. Just the loss of electricity would bring our civilization to its knees.

      • Smoky Joe September 1, 2015 at 10:23 pm #

        “Just the loss of electricity would bring our civilization to its knees.”

        I hear that. We were renovating a house and, without money for HVAC, we sold the crappy and antiquated window-units, then sweated out a Southeastern July and August with electric fans. After Hurricane Isabel in 2003, we did the same for 12 days, but no fans that time. No ’nuffin but a solar-powered radio.

        For several days each time, it was hell. Gradually, however, it became bearable at night. After Isabel, the stars came out again over our city. I don’t think anyone there had seen the Milky Way in decades.

        But we had fans for one of those AC outages, and we are fit. Imagine round-boy and round-girl without their AC, cable TV, Internet, and ice. It would get ugly very fast.

  21. elysianfield August 31, 2015 at 11:40 am #

    “Actually, we’ll be lucky if we can go medieval, because there’s no guarantee that the contraction has to stop there, especially if we behave really badly about it ”

    …behave really badly about it… There is a large subset of the population that will immediately behave badly…and will need little encouragement. I would expect that the safest place to be during an “insurrection” would be the larger cities, where law enforcement and military assets would concentrate and maintain order at the point of a bayonet….think Watts during the riots in the ’60’s. Smaller towns and rural areas will be “on their own”….a simple matter of resource allocation. I live in a very rural area, and would expect nothing in the way of help in the event of a general collapse.

  22. Beryl of Oyl August 31, 2015 at 12:06 pm #

    I see a desire of young people today to get back to more ‘sustainable’ lifestyles, and I see that desire thwarted by the local governments and school districts who demand ever-increasing amounts of revenue in return for less and less in the way of services, to the point where your taxes become tribute.
    Then you get the spiral where businesses leave due to the excessive taxation, so you have a walkable city with nowhere to walk to, and your kids get on a school bus and travel through streets never designed for that much heavy traffic.
    Families that wish to have one parent at home, usually mom, with the small children, and live frugally end up constantly worried about where they are going to come up with the cash needed to hang on to their house. No matter how much you scrimp and save, it doesn’t help you when you have to come up with that much actually money or else.
    This is why many people move to the suburbs. For the same number of dollars per month, you are paying for a house that will be worth something in the future, instead of non-existent services and an overpriced school system. You can’t walk anywhere, but there is nowhere to walk to in our cities any more anyway.

    • zaphod42 August 31, 2015 at 12:27 pm #

      “Then you get the spiral where businesses leave due to the excessive taxation,…”

      Where do you suppose they will go? Our financial overlords have transformed the world to the point that it is so integrated that there is no where left to go.

      And, the taxation that is killing us today is coming, not from the Federal or State/Local government, but rather from the Banksters, who still charge middle class citizens 23%-25% interest on their charge cards, even while they (banksters) are being given the money they loan, by the people to whom they loan it, at 0 to .25% interest.

      And, whatever the middle class does not borrow, they lend to the government of the people at between 2.18% (latest 10 year Treasury rate) and about 3% (CNN does not even mention the 30 year rate on their Money/markets site)

      Not a bad profit. for adding nothing to the world, I’d say. Borrow at 0.25% and then lend to the same people at 2.18%, so they can lend it back to you? Rinse and repeat.

      I wonder why we even bother in the charade any more. We have to be the stupidest generation of all time!!!! How can this keep going???


    • kaisersosa August 31, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

      You have to be kidding me..Young people want a more sustainable lifestyle?? Maybe you should try living in my hood. A very large urban neighborhood . Midwest.. Hint hint. Nobody is driving, you walk. High rises etc.. Mostly millennials… The only thing important to them is their I-shit. They are the most pathetic excuse for a generation the world has seen. You would think you were in the second coming of “night of the living dead”..They have desire? They dont even know where the sun comes up because they are like crack addicts with their tin toyz.. Sorry what they need is a wake up call of epic proportions . and even that wont help I-addict generation ..

      • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 12:58 pm #

        I have to agree whole heartedly. What kind of world have we made where everyone is staring into a 4 X 5 inch little screen. Everywhere. Bars, Restaurants. Office. School. Grocery. We’re like a bunch of zombies.

        • stelmosfire August 31, 2015 at 1:48 pm #

          “We’re like a bunch of zombies.” Who exactly is WE? I don’t even own a cell phone. My wife wants me to carry one and I refuse. It seems I got along just fine without one for my whole life. Why would I need one now?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:14 pm #

            Well said. Evidence shows heavy use can lead to brain cancer. The waves are frying brains.

            Most females demand the cyber leash nowadays. Good for you for standing up for yourself. Many men are basically reduced to boys asking their mother permission to stay out later.

      • jloughrey September 1, 2015 at 2:06 am #

        I could not agree more. Not just the younger generation, but a lot of older people have subscribed to the “plugged-in” world of cell phones, iPads, texting, Twitter, etc. They could not be more disconnected with their heads bent over their gadgets all day long while the world passes them by. I have a pay-as-you-go cell phone for emergencies and travel, and I’m hard-pressed to figure out most of the functions-which is just fine. My idea of a perfect day is one spent outside in my garden with my plants and various wild critters who come to visit. The I-shit generation will be sorely unprepared when the real shit hits the fan.

        • basil September 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm #

          i don’t remember writing this comment attributed to jloughrey, but i surely must have. jl even uses my emoticon-free grammar and spelling.

  23. capt spaulding August 31, 2015 at 12:19 pm #

    Once we’ve gone through the surfeit of oil, things will start to revert to the way things were before we had unlimited access to oil. I imagine that some things won’t go so badly, because we have made some progress in alternative energy. Everything from overpopulation to global warming, to the lifestyle that we live, comes as a direct result of cheap plentiful oil. Once that stops, look out. We may not go all the way back to medieval times, but we damn sure won’t be living like we do today. All I know is that we will slip backwards in time, living a lifestyle closer to the late 1800’s or so, and most of us aren’t ready for something like that.

    • sauerkraut August 31, 2015 at 4:17 pm #

      Well, Captain, I might agree with you if the oceans were still teeming with life, there were no nuclear reactors that needed a constant supply of electricity from the grid, crude oil still bubbled to the surface in places, and CO2 was below 350 ppm. But as it stands, I think that medieval is a decidedly optimistic view.

      • capt spaulding August 31, 2015 at 8:51 pm #

        I can’t disagree with you at all, Sauerkraut. I guess I’m just trying to put an optimistic face on the whole thing. Keep your powder dry.

  24. beantownbill. August 31, 2015 at 12:25 pm #

    I see a bipartate world – one in which the wealthy, powerful and very knowledgable lead a 21st century existence, while the masses grub around for scraps, living a world made by hand existence. Having modern technology, which will continue to advance, available to only a few percent allows for scientific progress while addressing the high-level resource problem. I fully expect the military to remain powerful as it aligns with TPTB.

    The masses’ reaction to all this is irrelevant because no matter what happens, many will die and the population will be significantly reduced. The issue has never been where and what the seat of power is, but rather the world’s overpopulation.

    Of course, one can either be a pessimist and believe the world ends when someone or some group does something drastic or stupid, or one can be an optimist and believe in at least some continuation of progress. There is a third possibility: things evolve in a manner we cannot see, and turn out differently than we imagine.

    • russ August 31, 2015 at 3:46 pm #

      Yup. Good assessment. The future is going to be some sort of hybrid of “Blade Runner” meets “Elysian Fields” meets “Mad Max”. Coming to a town near you. And you won’t have to buy a movie ticket to see the show.

    • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

      Hey Bill, what’s happening in Boston?

      5 people shot in one night.

      did the war start or something?


  25. PeteAtomic August 31, 2015 at 12:29 pm #

    I think the sooner we can get back to a semblance of a small business focused economy on the local level, the better. Small business is really the oil of a local community. It generally only creates benefits for individuals and society. It creates pride in ownership, self esteem, ties between people in community, profits which largely stay inside that community, employment, local charitable giving, etc. etc. many other benefits.

    People who “make” things on the local scale for local consumption. Small artisans who make ceramics and other household goods and tools.

    Even in post WWII America, there was a balance, albeit fragile, between functioning downtowns throughout America, and large retailers. The Tragedy of the Downtown, is that the balance was destroyed by the Big Box monopoly, and this was aided and abetted by the corrupted political system.
    Now to reverse this, if it isn’t too late already, is to use current anti-trust law to break up it up. But the real problem may be that the population is too drug addled and too comfortable on government subsidy to take up an entrepreneurial mantle.
    So, the US may need a generation or two of withdrawal, literally and figuratively, for people who will arise and accomplish this type of fundamental shifting in the economy. And they may have to do it for the simple reason for their own survival. I think that is more likely the case. I don’t see people volunteering to get off the Drug Train.

    The most dangerous section of time in the future will probably be the era between the Big Withdrawal, and when we are all ‘back on the farm.’ I can only envision the 30% or more that constitute the underclass in the US going ape shit with the fact that they can’t get snort their oxycontin anymore, and trying to turn the US into something like Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road.”

    But perhaps that period of instability is needed and natural as well. Cuz if you’re gonna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs. And the eggs that are wait in their dingy urban apartments, are all bad, anyway.

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  26. basil August 31, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    i was offered 10 acres out in the country by my father-in-law. he offered to pay most of the cost of building a house on the property. he is a longtime doomer, and thinks that the best way to survive is to grow your own food out in the country. i turned down the offer, partly because his daughter and myself have already built a life for ourselves inside the city limits. i personally think that if civilization fails to the point that people are desperate for food, the first place they will go is out in the country where people are growing lots of food just to survive. in the city, there are immediate neighbors who can help each other in such crises, and there is at least some defense against desperate, hungry people. the countryside will most likely be alive with gunfire as even non-violent people hunt down the last of the local wildlife.

    • ozone August 31, 2015 at 1:25 pm #

      Keep telling yourself that help will always arrive or is essentially manifest in the urban environment. I happen to be fine with that. Can you guess why?

      • sauerkraut August 31, 2015 at 4:21 pm #

        Well said, O3.

    • Lawfish September 1, 2015 at 10:55 am #

      Agreed, Basil. I bought 30 acres out in the country (got a steal on a foreclosure) with the thought of building a doomstead out there. Then I realized we would be sitting ducks.

      So I now have beefed up my in-town homestead with chickens and a pig and ever-expanding growing plots. I’m going intensive with what I have and food production is increasing every year. The beauty is we live in a neighborhood that is (privately) fenced around the entire perimeter and has only two entry points, and a huge central park where a ton of food could be grown. The residents are well-off and we could easily form a watch group to guard access in and out of the neighborhood (armed) in shifts. Protein might be a problem for some, but I have 9 laying hens, so I’ve got a decent source. Keep a rooster and the flock will be sustainable.

    • elysianfield September 1, 2015 at 7:09 pm #

      “I was offered 10 acres out in the country by my father-in-law”

      Jesus…does your wife have a sister..

  27. 99 cent nation August 31, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

    Yep we gotta save the planet which really means we have to save our species. Ha, not going to happen. Some one once Albert Einstein why he cared if the human species survived. He had no answer. This is something we have done to ourselves. As Mr. Kunstler points out nothing lasts forever. So quit the hand ringing and don’t act surprised when everything disappears. Except the planet which will heal itself without any help from us idiots that forgot we are as part of nature as anything else and there are consequences.

    • sprawlcapital September 1, 2015 at 1:25 am #

      $0.99–So quit the hand [ringing] wringing . . .

  28. seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 12:55 pm #

    There are no profits to be made. When a businessman thinks he can make 20% on an investment he is willing to pay 5 or even 10 points for that money. But when he feels he can only make maybe 5%, he won’t even pay 0. He’ll buy back stock and improve earnings per share. That will boost stock price, which is tied to his pay. The feedback loops are murderous. The stock market is a bubble in search of a pin. Last week the pin was China. Two weeks ago it was the Fed raising interest rates. Everyone has their finger on the chicken switch for a very good reason. It is all illusory, and deep down people know this. Even with oil at these price levels, growth is nil. We already have too much shit made by robots who didn’t have to be paid. I mean is this a mystery? We are being replaced by technology. Only jobs with inherent difficulties in mastery will endure. The rest stay home and eat Cheetohs and drink Mountain Dew while sucking on that crystal meth pipe.

    • chipshot August 31, 2015 at 2:37 pm #

      “Even with oil at these price levels, growth is nil.”

      Up until a couple years ago, oil was a source of great
      profits and wealth, no matter what its market price.

      Now it’s mostly a break-even proposition, if not a drain on wealth
      (cost exceeding price).

      Unfortunately our lifestyle–hell, our survival–is so reliant on oil
      we’ll continue extracting it until we go broke.

  29. wpa--ccc August 31, 2015 at 1:01 pm #

    “the countryside will most likely be alive with gunfire” –basil

    For a very short time, until the ammo runs out.

    Remember, we are talking about life after saying goodbye to normal. The truck distribution network has collapsed. No more gasoline distribution. No more vehicles on the road. How much ammo can you carry? When it runs out, then what? The store shelves will be empty.

    Those who have ammo in their houses will make sure you don’t get their ammo. So how is the countryside going to be “alive with gunfire” once ammo runs out. It will be quiet as people with empty cartridges walk about, most likely foraging for food.

    It won’t be like Hollywood, where cars with gasoline engines miraculously continue to operate after the collapse of the truck distribution network and ammo seems to miraculously never run out.

    Money will be useless. Gold will be useless. Guns will be useless. The things of value will be community and artesanal skills, animal husbandry, and horticultural skills. Invest in those…

    • capt spaulding August 31, 2015 at 1:22 pm #

      The biggest problem will be that it takes time to develop an infrastructure to respond to the changes, and that depends on how fast or slow the changes occur. If change happens quickly, life will be short and brutal for a lot of people.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:18 pm #

      Those who have guns and ammo will take from those who don’t. The threat alone will suffice. Lead is the new gold. It may even become currency.

    • basil September 1, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

      of course you are correct. pardon my drama.

  30. barbisbest August 31, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    You know that old saying from the 60’s, Sock it to Me. He really socked it to ’em today!

    I know quotes are such quotes. This one may pertain to us…
    “The world is far too dangerous now for anything less than utopia.” Buckminster Fuller. Some of us understand, most don’t.

    Do you know the way to medievalville.

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    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm #

      Whatever else he was, he was also, obviously, a fool. People are far too flawed for any such utopia – which appropriately means nowhere.

      You understand nothing.

  31. Walter B August 31, 2015 at 1:40 pm #

    ‘”Get your shit together locally, and do it in place that has some prospect for keeping on: a small town somewhere food can be grown and especially places near the inland waterways where some kind of commercial exchange might continue in the absence of the trucking industry. Sound outlandish? Okay then. Keep buying Tesla stock and party on, dudes”

    You’ve got to stop telling those types to do this because when it all pans out exactly how you and I know it will, these party dudes are precisely the kind that will have absolutely NO value in the next phase of localization. I suppose we are obligated to continue to ring the warning bell granted, but those who live in denial are best left there afterward when those who can adapt to change prove Darwin to have been correct.

    I read in a book somewhere (hint, hint) that….

    “a corporation, essentially, is a pile of money to which a number of persons have sold their moral allegiance….It can experience no personal hope or remorse. No change of heart. It cannot humble itself. It goes about its business as if it were immortal, with the single purpose of becoming a bigger pile of money.”

    Those Baby-Boomers, Millennials, Zero Whatevers and Lostwhatamacallits that have sold out to such concepts seriously need to be rewarded in the new paradigm with the reward that they have so richly earned – extinction. Just like their precious fiat currencies, they too will assume their true value of nothing. Those who do and those who can shall inherit what remains, if there is still anything remaining that is. Good luck!

  32. seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 1:42 pm #

    Someone needs to tell Miley Cyrus she doesn’t look good naked.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

      Yeah she’s got nothing except those crazy eyes from all the drugs and Illuminati rituals she’s been through. Totally inflated individual. Her mother and manager must be unspeakably evil to have pushed her into this. The father, the voice of moral restraint in any society, is weak and absent. How can women stay good if left to their own disordered desires?

    • Walter B August 31, 2015 at 7:45 pm #

      Well it certainly won’t be her father!

      • capt spaulding August 31, 2015 at 8:56 pm #

        She needs somewhere to store that tongue hanging out of her mouth. I suggest a dog’s ass.

      • Lawfish September 1, 2015 at 11:46 am #

        Her loser, has-been father, Billy Ray Cyrus is the guy who pushed her as his one-hit wonder, Achy-Breaky Heart was fading into the sunset.

  33. volodya August 31, 2015 at 1:44 pm #

    Normal” started going away in the 1970s. The economic un-dead started staggering around in the 1980s. Don’t know how many of you guys were lucky enough to be around but we had raging inflation, 20% interest rates, industries that were falling like 10 pins, industrial towns that were being decimated by factory closures. It was the start of the rust belt and the beginning of the end for the US middle-class.

    At the time keeping Japan on board was the big priority. It was the Cold War, remember? So the US opened its borders to Japanese products. As a result, Japanese workers that routinely did one-third more work for one-third less pay (and did it much better) started eating our lunch.

    I had the displeasure at the time of test driving both Japanese cars and American cars. I don’t need to tell you which were better. The difference was like night and day. No wonder GM and Ford started losing market share hand over fist.

    People didn’t fail to notice that inflation was eating their income. Pay-raises were not keeping pace. To stay even families went into debt. It was the done thing all of a sudden. Borrowing was a sign that you were with the times and, unlike your parents who sat around in thread-bare sweaters squeezing every nickel until the buffalo shit, you could have it NOW.

    Wall Street started touting capital gains over dividend yields in the 1960s. But it really got going in the 1980s. If you weren’t investing you were a pussy, the Dow was roaring ahead, and it was a celebration of blind greed. And I mean BLIND. “Greed is good” said Gordon Gecko and THAT was all we needed as justification.

    People did their damndest to not notice the economic rot underneath all the Hollywood glamor of the markets. Remember what the shills were saying? It’s a new paradigm. Stocks are the new currency. I have NO idea w-t-f that actually means. But it sure sounds clever doesn’t it?

    Well, here we are. A generation of Greenspan and Bernanke and Yellen and their funny-money-ism and multiple bubbles and busts and all that happens when the Fed cranks up the printing press is to make Chinese factories hum.

    Yep, nowadays it’s gospel that debt is a valid replacement for earned income, bubbled stock and real estate prices a replacement for saving. Brilliant thinking.

  34. ccm989 August 31, 2015 at 1:44 pm #

    Most of the world’s problems are caused by Men. Sorry but there it is. War obviously. And also overpopulation. Every time some man decides that women can’t have abortions and shouldn’t use birth control, more children are born. Look at all the refugees everywhere trying to escape War, trying to escape poverty. What do they bring with them — no skills and lots of kids. Most don’t speak the language of wherever they think safety is.

    Where there is abortion and birth control there is prosperity — look at the USA, Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc. All first world countries, all with lots of medical care for women. The only way the USA will drop down to third world status is if birth control/abortion are taken away. Then we’re all doomed.

    Currently there are some idiots who think that immunizations cause autism so they withhold vaccines from their own children. Imagine if the world economy collapses, who goes first — old people and babies/tots. Old people because they won’t get defibrillators installed at the cost of $250,000 (paid by Medicare) and babies/tots because disease will run rampant and there won’t be vaccines available. The upside is if the population goes down, the value of labor goes up. Suddenly if there are not enough people to do the job, then the people who survive are worth a premium. Imagine the top $$$ paid for people to pick produce. If there’s few hands to do, those hands will reap the $$$$.

    Personally I’d rather see people act responsibly, use birth control and voluntarily keep the population small enough so creatures like lions and rhinos, etc. have some where to live without human sprawl encroaching the last wild places. But some Men (particularly politicians) want to micromanage women’s reproductive lives because they think they know better. Their egos endanger us all.

    • Walter B August 31, 2015 at 2:24 pm #

      I cannot see abortion as ever having a significant effect on population control, and I am not against it. There are many that use it as well they should and many more that should but don’t, but in the end I fear that far too many that utilize it are probably ones who might actually bring assets into the world rather than detriments. However in any case and as you said, most problems are caused by man. Nature has always dealt best with overpopulation through disease and war, and She shall do it once again, and soon by the looks of it.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

      Yes, the Great Mother worshiping Civilizations always practice human and particularly infant sacrifice. It’s up to men to keep women on the straight and narrow. As the woman in the Mr Kunstler’s novel said, “Women aren’t moral creatures.”

      Or as Camille Paglia said, Without men, women would still be living in grass huts. Your Gilmanesque Herland is the purest of fantasies. We are one species not two.

    • sauerkraut August 31, 2015 at 9:11 pm #

      Most of the world’s problems are caused by scum. Male and female. Or, CCM, do you chose to ignore the enablers, the women who support religions? Because without the support of the irrational (people), the scum are powerless.

      For example, when people are interviewed about immunizations, who are they? Usually women, concerned about their children. Irrationality writ large. By your own analysis, “idiots”. Not men. Idiots.

      When you say, “Personally, I’d rather see people act responsibly …” I agree with you absolutely. “But some men …” yes, but lots of women too. To say otherwise is ignorant or dishonest.

      When you blame men for everything, you fall into the oldest trap in the scum’s playbook: divide and conquer. Many men are against irrationality too – they are your allies – don’t insult them, cooperate with them.

      A last point, and more general: would you not expect a being who could have 100 progeny per year to have a different reproductive strategy from a being who could have only one? And would this difference in reproductive strategies not spill over into other behaviours? Like hunting, building, organizing?

      You might want to think again, and be grateful that men are different, because otherwise, you would not be here in a technological world, nor probably at all.

  35. someonetakethewheel August 31, 2015 at 1:48 pm #

    Have you tried to ask someone for directions lately? Most people don’t even seem to know where they are right now, never mind their nearby surroundings. Many are also so verbally challenged they are unable to come up with a coherent sentence to communicate what they don’t know.

    They are totally dependent on and hypnotized by their magic tablets and if those stopped working they will be in a world of hurt. The main use of these devices seems to be to locate more food, alcohol and drugs.

    I have a work i-phone and earlier this summer was using it’s map/verbal directions feature to navigate an 80 mile drive on the back roads, feeling very 21st Century. It directed me straight into a road closed sign where a landslide had covered the road. This must have happened 5-10 years ago as it was completely overgrown with brush and trees.

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    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:29 pm #

      Where I live, they push welfare mothers to go to college. Many of these can hardly even talk.

  36. I AM SULLY August 31, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

    Thanks Mr. Kunstler. Your weekly blog, with its reasoned perspective and humor, is one of the few highlights of my week. Kudos! This one made me smile, despite the calamity that is before us.

  37. malthuss August 31, 2015 at 2:22 pm #

    ‘What’s happening now is a permanent contraction.’

    Certainly not of human population.

    • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 4:29 pm #

      I think he meant the world economy.

  38. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm #

    “Colonel Friedrich von Kraus Tsillergut (Tsillergut is the name of the village in Salzburg that Colonel’s Ancestors swapped for booze in the eighteenth century) was a rare loggerhead. Talking about the most ordinary things, he always asked if all of it is well understood, although it was a matter of primitive concepts, for example: “This, gentlemen, is a window. Do you know what a window is?” Or:” The road on both sides of which stretches a ditch, is called a highway. Yes, gentlemen. Do you know what a ditch is? Ditch is a recess in earth dug up by a significant number of workers. Yes, sir. They dig ditches using pickaxes. Do you know what a pickaxe is?”

    Jaroslav Hašek. The Brave Soldier Švejk

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:37 pm #

      Jaroslav Hasek – the next incarnation. You have your uses but you have to be used with care. Your fine when it comes to Ming vases or growing figs. Just not geopolitics in terms of values or where we SHOULD be going. Again, fine in terms of what is happening, though provoking if not always accurate.

  39. Kevvia Knack August 31, 2015 at 3:26 pm #

    Abortion is a good way to stop overpopulation. I mean, when a woman gets rid of her baby it’s called abortion. When a chicken does it it’s called an omelet.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 3:34 pm #

      Quite right. Planned Parenthood is already shipping baby heads all over the place. Soon people will be eating the unborn – as they already do in China. And who doesn’t like Chinese food, right?

      And of course, Women always know best. If a woman does something, it’s automatically moral since she’s a WOMAN, a Goddess or at least Godless.

      It’s regression to the mean from which we crawled out of millennia ago. It’s so hard to go up, but so easy (and fun!) going down. In Polynesia, human flesh is called Long Pig. And no, we’re not all the same. East Asians taste a lot better than Whites do according to New Guinea cannibals. We’re too salty. Or is that just due to our diet?

      • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 3:57 pm #

        The progressives don’t seem to have a problem with chopping up unborn infants and selling the body parts for a good profit. This is one instance where they like profit.


      • Florida Power August 31, 2015 at 6:08 pm #

        Reminds me of a story I heard many years ago – quite by accident – G Gordon Liddy relate on his radio talk show. Being with the Company he was privy to such. Somewhere in the belly of Africa five Italian doctors were abducted by cannibals and the authorities pursued them. They caught up with the perpetrators a week or two later, alas, too late for the doctors. When questioned the cannibals said “we’re sorry we did it.” Surprised at this response, delivered in a not remorseful tone, the interrogators pressed further. The cannibals said they were sorry because the meat was terrible. They couldn’t even give it away. It turned out the Italian doctors were chain smokers.

        Yeah, I read Ann Barnhardt’s comments on Chinese dietary habits. Good lord, it really has come to this.

        • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 7:55 pm #

          Nelson Rockefeller’s young son got ate, too, in the South Pacific. Book came out about it a few years ago. He was a naive romantic, in these tropical islands to collect relics for a museum back in NY.

          Cannibalism still practiced in central Africa, and in certain neighborhoods in Queens.


    • seawolf77 August 31, 2015 at 4:29 pm #

      I think I heard 25% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort i.e. miscarriage.

  40. BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm #

    One more thing, the sphere where there will not be contraction (at least for awhile) is in human population, article appeared last week, predicting 398 million people in USA in 2050, and 12 billion worldwide. Does that in itself not point to at least some economic growth? The only conceivable reason Europeans are permitting this summers massive Muslim immigration into their countries, and our own acceptance of wave of migrants arriving from Latin America, is the hope of fostering economic growth. What else could it be?


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  41. Pucker August 31, 2015 at 3:57 pm #

    I’m now in Boston.

    Many negro blokes in Boston look like Flanagan. Maybe this due to the ethnic Irish influence in Boston?

    “Here’s another little tidbit from the New York Post:

    At Flanagan’s house in Roanoke, cops found evidence that he was a self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn in his spartan living space.

    They found unwashed sex toys, cat feces and several pictures of himself on his refrigerator, according to the Daily Mirror.”

    • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 4:05 pm #

      Sounds like quite a guy.

      Yeah, its getting serious now, almost like a low level civil war is brewing. The murder of that police officer in Texas was particularly heinous, shot 14 times. And today a ‘Black Lives Matter’ mob attempted to shut down the Minnesota State Fair, chanting for the murder of police officers.

      During the ‘Days of Rage’ (so called) in Chicago in 1968, nobody resorted to firearms, nobody was killed, and only a few people sustained injuries where they had to spend more than a few days in the hospital. Compare that to what’s happening now.


      • malthuss September 1, 2015 at 1:00 am #

        Pigs in blankets
        Fry the bacon

        –black lies matter.

  42. Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm #

    I see a bad moon rising.
    I see trouble on the way.
    I see earthquakes and lightnin’.
    I see bad times today.

    Don’t go around tonight,
    Well it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    I hear hurricanes a blowing.
    I know the end is coming soon.
    I fear rivers over flowing.
    I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

    Well don’t go around tonight,
    Well it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    Hope you got your things together.
    Hope you are quite prepared to die.
    Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
    One eye is taken for an eye.

    Well don’t go around tonight,
    Well it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    Don’t come around tonight,
    Well it’s bound to take your life,
    There’s a bad moon on the rise.

    Songwriters: JOHN C. FOGERTY

    Bad Moon Rising lyrics © CONCORD

    One eye is taken for an eye. Back to Old Testament ethics. Oh Lordy, “we” got a lot of payback comin’ to us. Are we going to cash in on this or not? Whose with me? Meet at Zone’s on Bald or is it Bear Mountain? The best D is a good O, just as the best O is a good BJ.

    Mt McKinley just renamed by executive decree. The Communists are assassinating him all over again. He was assassinated by a Polish immigrant who was inspired by Emma Goldman.

    • saharasergei August 31, 2015 at 4:46 pm #

      Written about Nixon winning the White House in 1968.

      • seawolf77 September 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm #


  43. saharasergei August 31, 2015 at 4:44 pm #

    But Jim, how can you be so pessimistic when Kanye West is making plans to run for President in 2020? 😀

  44. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 5:11 pm #

    “I see trouble on the way” — Janos

    Blast Seen in Chemical Industry Zone in Shandong, Daily Reports

    An explosion was seen and heard in a chemical-industry zone in eastern China’s Shandong province at 11:25 p.m. local time on Monday, People’s Daily reported via Twitter.


    Should we expect explosion in another US Military base in Japan, or just dumping of another couple of hundred billions worth of US Treasuries out of Chinese holdings?

  45. Frankiti August 31, 2015 at 5:32 pm #

    Here we go again. More wishful thinking (because there are plenty of people that dream for a return to the colonial agrarian society). This smaller and localized utopia just isn’t going to play out like part-time artists, backyard farmers, and dilettante intellectuals want it to. We have failed economies and failed states all around us from Mexico to Venezuela to Syria and Nigeria. There is a unifying feature: control through violence by criminal organizations ostensibly known as cartels, the regime, ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, pro-Russian rebels, revolutionary armies, etc. If you believe that a country that cannot subsist intact on a national level will remain intact (peacefully… I mean, for crissakes, those people not in temperate climates near localized waterways ain’t going to till Arizonan sand until they drop dead, they are going to MIGRATE) and be secure on a local level… I suggest the opposite, remove your heads from in between your cheeks and recognize that the future you are courting is going to make quick work of the romantics.

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    • BackRowHeckler August 31, 2015 at 5:45 pm #

      Hey Frankiti how is it the Mormons in the great salt desert, and Jewish refugees on the eastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea, built relatively prosperous and successful societies on barren landscapes void of any natural resources? It can be done; its the human capital that matters most.


      • Frankiti August 31, 2015 at 7:04 pm #

        I do not discount the ability for humanity to subsist. I discount the ability to do so peacefully, particularly when resources and civilized security are scarce. The relatively small group of Mormons and their filmflam founders were sent packing from both NY and the midwest. They migrated and battled natives and encroaching pioneer wagon-trains to protect their piece of hard-packed hardscrabble. That is until the bigger gang in town, the USofA decided there would be no Mormon state of “Deseret”. Their power in Utah has steadily diminished since. I presume that you are referring to the Jewish refugees who forged modern-day Israel from its remnants in Palestine. It would be more than an understatement to point out that they did so, and do so, with the support and backing of the de facto hegemons.
        The very real aftermath of a cataclysmic financial meltdown in this county, the one that causes trade to cease, will mean that many people will face very real threats very quickly. They are not going to hang around to see if Phoenix can become a modern day Tel Aviv (where’s the ocean). They are going to do what humanity is built to do; migrate… right into that nice green patch you call home. The uncomfortable fact with any type of future predicted here, on this board, is the immediate revelation and repercussion of superfluous humanity. Nobody is giving up Haagen Dazs and MTV music awards from their air conditioned sofa altar without a pitched fight.

      • malthuss September 1, 2015 at 12:57 am #

        We built Israel. WO the Christians money, taken by force [IRS] Israel would not have happened, yes?

        Miracle in the desert, bhaa. Blood on the Arabian sands.
        Plus our sweat [$] and tears.

        • BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 9:57 am #

          It was part of the Cold War struggle, Malth.

          In 1948 Israel had the choice to turn east or west, the USA or the Soviet Union. Obviously the correct choice was made.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 11:27 pm #

            They betrayed their benefactors in the Soviet Union. Think they wont betray us? They already have.

    • ozone August 31, 2015 at 6:00 pm #

      Ah, you discount militant romantics. A dangerous oversight.

  46. Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 5:41 pm #


    American Citizen tells Ramos to Get Out Of My Country.

  47. rapier August 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm #

    Human nature is to blame, if blame is the right word. Blame can’t really be considered until what the collapseologists say is going to happen really happens. I count myself in that group but the when part escapes me. The bell will ring with a great financial dislocation but it’s impossible to say how long make believe accounting and money printing can delay that.

    At any rate humans seek power and nothing can stop that. Petroleum provided the power for single individuals to do the work of hundreds even thousands. Who could resist? The Amish and then………….? It’s best to sometimes step back from calling everyone stupid, greedy, venal etc. etc. and instead have a little compassion for people doing what is in their nature to do.

  48. ozone August 31, 2015 at 5:57 pm #

    Okay, the usual bull-shitted-ness is here to obscure the issue; so we’re done. ….Aside from learning just who we should give a very wide berth or a privileged place in the reticule.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 7:04 pm #

      I apologize for being right about everything. Now give us directions to Bear Bald Mountain. Have Rimsky Korsakof’s piece blaring when we show up. We will too. Armed for bear like good Mormons.

  49. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 6:03 pm #

    Alexander Brodsky. The art of cooking the porridge from the pickaxe

    In the middle of June, because of Ukraine, there was a terrible crisis in relations between US and Russia, which almost ended in a nuclear war, after which the NATO commander, General Breedlove with trembling lips gave an interview to NPR in which he said that Russia threatened NATO with nuclear weapons and suggested to begin to restore Russia-NATO relations for at least prevention of catastrophic consequences of unauthorized launches.

    When I think of what would explain these trembling lips, then I come to the conclusion that all the statements of Russian representatives, that I know of, including preventive war and Russian missiles aimed at Denmark, are incapable of achieving that.

    Those lips could be explained only by Putin call to Obama, in which he said that Russia has not forgotten what happened on June 22 1941 and that the NATO forces in such amounts on the borders of Russia are no longer considered military drills but the preparation for the attack, and then gave Obama 24 hours to withdraw these troops on a sufficient distance, after which, if they still remained, they would cease to exist at all, not even having chance to start their engines.
    Once again, I don’t know anything concrete, but in my view it is only plausible explanation of the state of General Breedlove, when he gave that interview to NPR.

    That crisis thank God we survived, and recently the United States and Russia agreed on something: NATO troops began to withdraw from the Russian border and “calm” came over Ukraine when Russia and the United States have taken a timeout, trying not to frighten away the agreements reached and just recovering from the horror.

    And a few days ago, Hollande and Merkel pressured Poroshenko, forcing him to start to carry out this plan, and Putin after personal insults from Poroshenko in his address simply refused to deal with him, providing European partners the opportunity to eat the porridge which they had cooked two years ago.

    And now we see in Kiev Ukro-Nazi reaction to the implementation of this plan.

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen. Do you know now what a pickaxe is?


  50. Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 7:00 pm #

    Trump’s three principles:

    1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

    2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

    3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

    Basic commonsense Fascism. The first sentences are the general principle. The second sentences are the application to this issue. From his position paper on immigration posted on his site. Well worth a read.

    Link to position paper.

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    • seawolf77 September 1, 2015 at 11:44 am #

      Return to the Constitution. That will get rid of the Fed, the income tax, the unnecessary wars, the IRS, the CIA. Gold and silver will be money again. No more debt. No more central banks period.

  51. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 7:27 pm #

    “There must be a wall across the southern border.” — Janos

    What’s with that “building walls” obsession? Just look at the map, at that great space between Africa and Europe, filled with salted water. What’s it called? Ah, yeah, the Adriatic Sea. Great natural barrier, free of charge. And how well does it work against few thousand bucks, courtesy of undisclosed American do-gooders?

    I bet Trump already knows whom he wants to commission the wall building.

    • Walter B August 31, 2015 at 7:56 pm #

      I have always been an isolationist since I was a young man in school. It must have had something to do with what I read about George Washington saying something to the tune of avoiding “foreign entanglements” and Teddy Roosevelt and his policies as well. I have never interpreted the Whore in the Harbor, I’m sorry, the Statue of Liberty as actually calling for the world to send us all of it’s garbage, but as a hand out to those who wished to leave oppressive situations and become part of a team of those signing on to make things better. Perhaps I was mistaken. How this dump of a government ever turned an immigration “policy” into a “Hey losers, come on in” is beyond my ability to imagine, but it is upon us nonetheless. I would rather embrace a rabid pit bull than such a death sentence for a nation. Surely this is the vein in which the Trump hypodermic has found a home….

      • FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 9:14 pm #

        There is nothing wrong with healthy portion of isolationism. It is obvious to everyone in the right mind that to restore American industry without turning America into a slave-wage country, there have to be a protection tariff on most goods imported, at least initially.

        There is have to be law and order, including on the border. People must come in lawfully, or not come at all.

        But Tramp is consciously inverting the issue, making the whole and single point on illegal immigrants, who were let in with at least a good knowledge of authorities through the well-organized institution of so-called coyotes.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 31, 2015 at 9:56 pm #

      Wall, fences, and oceans are all useful – but only if there are men behind them on guard. Europeans have all turned into wimps. The Kalergi Plan reveals the inner agenda in play.

  52. Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 7:27 pm #

    If Trump gets elected, a mountain should be renamed after him; Mount Donald. Maybe Stone Mountain in Atlanta, Georgia? That’d be appropriate, don’t you think? They could carve his likeness, combover and all, into the side of the mountain right below the Civil War memorial carving.

    America will be great again — just you wait and see.

    • wpa--ccc August 31, 2015 at 9:25 pm #

      Where is Jeb now? Fourth place? Fifth place? He is sliding to oblivion. Get your hat ready. Even if it’s chocolate you are going to be forced to eat it all and vomit it up later.

      Go Jeb! Right to the bottom of the polls. The only thing Jeb was good on was his choice of wife and his saying about immigrants that fleeing oppression and illegally crossing the border is an act of love.

      Jeb was right about immigrants loving this country, loving hard work, loving their families… so much that they risk their lives to get here. We should welcome them, give them amnesty and immediate full citizenship. None of this guest worker temporary resident shit. Full citizenship immediately. Nobody should be required to give up their political beliefs, their religion, or their language to be here, either.

      Why should anyone already here have to jump any hoops? Those escaping oppression in the 1600s did not have to jump through hoops.

  53. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 9:00 pm #

    For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

    For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

    We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

    They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

    Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.

    Speech at Madison Square Garden (October 31, 1936)
    Franklin D. Roosevelt


    You see, when FDR was talking to the public, he was elevating the audience to his level.

    When Trump talks to the public, he descends to the level of “average” American clueless voter.

    • peakfuture August 31, 2015 at 9:30 pm #

      As always, interesting comments here from the CFN crowd.

      Those failed states with weapons; are those weapons coming from indigenous stocks, or are they imported? Because if they are imported from non-basket case places, if *all* places went, that might make resupply a bit difficult.

      My main question (and something I’ve asked at my own rant-o-matic), is will America/American’s ever get a “Ceausescu moment”, where EVERYONE knows things are shot, and nobody, but nobody believes the MSM, the government, the American Dream, etc.? The latest CNN poll (http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/04/news/economy/american-dream/index.html) said 6 out of 10 believe it is out of reach. When this hits 9/10, or 95/10, do we have our “Ceausescu moment”? Or do we need a president to be heckled for it to be official?

      It seems that the CFN crowd sees something on the horizon, or perhaps even their own backyards. My sense is that most folks who post here “get it”, of course. When does the CFN/JMG/etc. worldview become widespread?

      • peakfuture August 31, 2015 at 9:43 pm #

        That is, Americans, without the apostrophe.

        • Walter B September 1, 2015 at 9:24 am #

          A vast bulk of Americans have been programmed to only accept the big picture that is painted for them by their Masters, be that a president, Al Sharpton, or Soupy Sales. Until Master beckons they enter their data, make their sales calls and entertain themselves without thought of any potential disruption. I cannot see all of the Masters out there getting together and announcing a collapse simultaneously unless chaos is the desired effect. They would prefer to let the masses realize the fact one by one as they wander helplessly around their Cul De Sacs.

  54. wpa--ccc August 31, 2015 at 9:29 pm #

    “You see, when FDR was talking to the public, he was elevating the audience to his level.” –Finca

    People loved FDR. Wasn’t he the only president to be elected four times? Bernie Sanders reminds me of FDR. Huge crowds. Huge. And an FDR-like program to save the middle class and make America great again. Go Bernie!

  55. Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 10:10 pm #

    Where is Jeb now? Fourth place? Fifth place? He is sliding to oblivion. Get your hat ready. Even if it’s chocolate you are going to be forced to eat it all and vomit it up later.

    It’s still approximately a year until the Republican Convention. You’re acting like nominating conventions and the election are tomorrow. So much is going to change in the next year. Trump will be assassinated by the end of 2015 and Jeb will miraculously rise in the polls, even though polls don’t really matter. Keep following the money, wpa. Jeb’s way out in front. Ain’t nobody got time for early polls. When the time comes, the votes can always be switched electronically if need be, but the need won’t even be there.

    Go Jeb!

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  56. Cold N. Holefield August 31, 2015 at 10:14 pm #

    Bernie Sanders reminds me of FDR

    Bernie Sander reminds me of a haberdasher I used to know in the garment district. I knew FDR, and let me tell you, Bernie is no FDR. He’s not even George McGovern.

  57. FincaInTheMountains August 31, 2015 at 10:34 pm #

    “Trump will be assassinated by the end of 2015” — Cold N. Holefield

    Funny you’ve mentioned it. I came across this:

    Obama Orders Hillary Clinton Arrest If Trump Assassinated

    An interesting report contained within the daily communiqué between the Federation Embassy in Washington D.C. and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) states that President Obama has issued a “stark threat” to the Clinton “political machine” that should New York billionaire Donald Trump be assassinated, or harmed in any way, Hillary Clinton will face immediate arrest.

    According to this report, President Obama issued this threat personally to former President Bill Clinton this past Friday, 14 August, after he summoned the former US leader to meet him at the Farm Neck Golf Club in Oak Bluffs, Massachusetts.

    This report notes that US propaganda media representations of this sudden meeting between Presidents Obama and Clinton called it a “surprise meeting”, but which Federation intelligence analysts contributing to this report label as “absurd” as the Secret Service, which protects both of them, know these leaders exact location every second of every day making such a surprise meeting impossible.


    Well, say Goodbye to Normal!

  58. Semi-Employed White Guy August 31, 2015 at 10:49 pm #

    This post has me wondering if JHK is actually the mysterious R.C. Christian, builder of the Georgia Guidestones, and writer of its first commandment:


    I agree we need to decrease the population, but under 500 million seems a little greedy. Can we just get Africans to wear condoms? That would be a nice start, and it would save Bono and Billy Gates a few bucks since they wouldn’t have to feed so many savages.

    • malthuss September 1, 2015 at 12:59 am #

      Bono and Billy Gates need a salve for their conscience.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 3:08 pm #

      Yeah but which people? Whites are slated for termination by these people. Why else are they pushing mass 3rd World Immigration?

  59. Therian August 31, 2015 at 11:14 pm #

    Those “bulging portfolios with their exquisite allocations”, indeed!! I’ve always made fun of the “stock market as ATM” model of economics that have been drilled into the heads of the hoi poloi since the 1980s. People putting 50% of their total wealth into the stock market has morphed from seeming like horrifying risk to being a CONSERVATIVE allocation!! Incredible. I’m retired and have ZERO percent in the stock market. If you’ve got enough why would you put it at risk but such is the mindset that’s been created since 1981.

    It seems that few are coming to the rational conclusion that China is crashing because European and American demand are TAPPED OUT. Don’t worry … this will be folksy knowledge soon.

  60. wpa--ccc September 1, 2015 at 12:14 am #

    “It seems that few are coming to the rational conclusion that China is crashing…” –Therian

    This is a complete misrepresentation of reality. Slowing down does not equal “crashing.” China’s economy is slowing down, as it shifts from export-led growth to consumption. But it’s still growing at 7%, nearly three times as fast as Britain and the US, which are supposed to be the west’s current star performers.

    Even if China’s figure is overstated, its growth is still at least double the Anglo-American rate: the kind of economic problem the rest of the world would be happy to have. That follows three decades when Chinese growth averaged 10% a year, delivering the fastest economic development and reduction in poverty in world history.

    PS. China is ruled by the Communist Party. By selectively appropriating capitalist infrastructure in support of communist goals, the Chinese hybrid form of communism works, and outperforms purely capitalist countries in eliminating poverty.

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    • MisterDarling September 1, 2015 at 3:00 am #


      “This is a complete misrepresentation of reality. Slowing down does not equal “crashing.” China’s economy is slowing down, as it shifts from export-led growth to consumption. But it’s still growing at 7%, nearly three times as fast as Britain and the US, which are supposed to be the west’s current star performers.”-sock.

      You keep repeating the ‘everything is fine so go back to sleep’ lie, like it’s all you’ve got. I’ve been over this already [*], but you seem to be hard of thinking, or you’re sawing away with the ‘biggest lie’ tactic, hoping that something will stick – whichever. Your nonsense is a waste of time

      For the worthier elements of CFN, the truth is so clear that even the business press is carrying it:


      Take-away Quote: “But after 25 years of watching China hit the mythical 7% mark without fail, analysts understand the charade.”

      In the mid-term future China’s looking at hard times and an “agonizing reappraisal”, and us along with them.
      — — —

      [*] I’ve already been over the global crash in industrial raw materials including fuel, and I’ve already pointed out the flat-lining of the shipping stats (BDI & SCFI).

      • ozone September 1, 2015 at 8:58 am #

        It’s the Big Lie tactic designed to thwart thinking and it’s an effective sleep aid (though less and less, the more it’s employed) ….and it’s all they’ve got to calm an increasingly nervous populace at this point in the slide. We should keep in mind (like the socks and their handlers obviously do) that JHK’s readership is swelling and this is the best that TPTB psy-ops experts can counter with. Think on *that*; pretty laughable.

        • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 1:10 pm #

          “like the socks and their handlers obviously do”

          I know you’ll never give me any credz – but that sh! whuz *FUNNY*!!!

  61. MisterDarling September 1, 2015 at 3:10 am #

    At CFN et al:

    “Even if China’s figure is overstated, its growth is still at least double the Anglo-American rate: the kind of economic problem the rest of the world would be happy to have.”-wpacc/sock.

    Really? That’s not what Bloomberg said reported back from their trip:


    Yep, things are going so incredibly *swell* in The Middle Kingdom that Bloomberg’s team was “Terrified”.

    The short-to-mid-term outlook for global finance has nothing but bankers bluster-n-balderdash underwriting it.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 1, 2015 at 6:07 am #

      Well, you wouldn’t exactly expect Bloomberg, the unofficial mouthpiece of Federal Reserve, to sing praises to its main competitor.

      Undoubtedly, China has its share of problems, but overall in a good position in its Financial War against the United States.

      September – October should be interesting.

    • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 10:01 pm #

      Did U say banksters? Heh@!

  62. Pucker September 1, 2015 at 5:47 am #

    I’m really behind on my reading. I haven’t even started my book about the Southern antebellum practice of breeding negro slaves.

  63. FincaInTheMountains September 1, 2015 at 5:53 am #

    New sheriff in town

    Russian jets in Syrian skies

    Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.

    Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state.

    According to Western diplomats, a Russian expeditionary force has already arrived in Syria and set up camp in an Assad-controlled airbase. The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base.

    In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisers, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft


  64. barbisbest September 1, 2015 at 8:38 am #

    danny boy, et als. “A human being is part of the whole, called by us Universe. a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.

    Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” Albert Einstein. quote taken from Peter Russell’s book The Global Brain Awakens. When asked why the human species should be saved, Albert Einstein gave no response as quoted previously here. No one ever said the guy was stupid, except when he was in parochial school he was thought to be an idiot. That’s probably what man’s biggest downfall is, the ego. Consider beloved pets and animals in general.. I don’t believe they have ego. Although, according to Russell, they now know animals when shown themselves in a mirror, recognize that it is themself, not another dog, or dolphin or whatever. Always wondered about that.

    Good idea to get out of Phoenix. Like JHK says, there’s a reason it wasn’t inhabited pre-air conditioning. Anyway, group in Oregon, don’t know which one, determined the dying of us begins about 2030, as if it isn’t already, with our slaughtering in the streets. Yep, so much for the perfectability of human species. Even Michael Newton’s book The Journey of Souls, the spirit world says the U.S. will be largely depopulated in the not to distant future, although no reason is given. Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky and a couple other things.

    Best wishes and good luck to our species. what have we done.

    • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 5:16 pm #

      There are a few taboos humanity does not have the strength to broach:

      -The sanctity of human life, particularly above everything else.

      -Hominid evolution. Barring disaster, it won’t end with sapiens.

      -The idea that the world (I believe Vox, rightly, muted a solicited opinion piece taking the opposing view) can support increasing humanity. They never seem to factor the cost to the planet (see the first taboo).

      -The planet would be exponentially better without humanity’s presence. Sure, plenty of parasitic lawn grasses would miss their host species (old suburban men), but for the most part the Earth and its other inhabitants would fair better.

  65. FincaInTheMountains September 1, 2015 at 9:06 am #

    The collapse of the US markets should not have been taken place before the conclusion of the agreement on free Atlantic trade zone (TTIP)! Otherwise, it might not happen at all. But it seems that the resources to hold the situation are practically exhausted. And China perfectly understands the situation and hastens the fall of the markets. The strategy here is more important than tactics.

    But after such a collapse the situation becomes very difficult because all “normal” plans are crumbling. What should be done? Here begins the work of crisis management, which still needs to build new set of control levers. And how the world will look like afterwards – the big question. And so – this fall should be very exciting!

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  66. Cold N. Holefield September 1, 2015 at 9:12 am #

    Best wishes and good luck to our species. what have we done.

    We’ve done what we’ve always done and will always do until we are no more.

    Your comment is a farewell, so does that mean it’s your last post? Hopefully? If so, thank god. It gets a little old telling people year over year they and their children are going to die horrifically for their sins. If I wanted that, I’d be religious and attend church services. Sometimes, maybe always, this comment section resembles a fire & brimstone church service. This week is no exception. All we need are snakes and someone to start speaking in tongues.

  67. BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 10:26 am #

    It looks like a few Eastern European countries still have a pair and are endeavoring to keep the horde of ‘migrants’ out, hastily throwing up fences, laying down road blocks, deploying the army, Hungary, Czech Republic and notably Poland among them. Poland has agreed to take in a few hundred Christians — and only if these Christians can produce a valid Baptismal Certificate. As for Western Europe, who knows if it will survive, or even deserves to. Sweden, especially, might go under, with its small white population, a lack of national or racial pride, and an unbelievably generous welfare system for all comers. Western Europe’s plan, as best as I can tell, is to fight global poverty, squalor and violence by opening up its borders to the whole stinking 3rd world, and signing up this grasping mob into their social welfare system. A reading of Jean Raispail’s ‘The Camp of the Saints’, perhaps the most prescient piece of fiction ever produced, reveals that the ending might not be a good one.

    (As if the EU elites care, enconsed safely in their estates in the Swiss and French Alps, far above it all, literally.)


    • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 5:20 pm #

      I think Quartz (qz.com) is the only media organization to call-out the wealthy Arab states for not taking more refugees. Wile NPR lambasts the EU nations, SA and its satellites are busy building vacant cities for WEALTHY foreigners. SA’s retort; “we give money”.

      • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 5:20 pm #

        Did I say more? Oh dear, I meant “any”

  68. wpa_ccc September 1, 2015 at 10:28 am #

    Sometimes, maybe always, this comment section resembles a fire & brimstone church service. –cold


    Amen! This place is full of true believers. Facts are lies. Government is bad. Evil exists. CFN is victim. Immigrants are takers. Normal is gone and ain’t coming back. The 6th extinction is just around the corner. Peak oil is real (ignore falling gas prices, new oil field discoveries, record reserves). Trump is a real candidate. White supremacists have a point. The dogma continues in the face of evidence to the contrary.

    • Cold N. Holefield September 1, 2015 at 11:39 am #

      Right on cue, wpa shows up speaking in tongues — forked tongues.

  69. PeteAtomic September 1, 2015 at 12:10 pm #

    Dear Mr. K,

    Wow. Lucky these bizarre people that post on your blog here have the 1st. amendment. Jesus lord. I normally don’t read some of their insanity, but I just made the mistake of doing it. Holy God.

    Sadly, you need to sift through it. I was gonna put “ha ha ha” as my last line, but, now that would just be intentional evil.

    Good Luck,


  70. BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 12:17 pm #

    In Texas, Jefferson Davis and Woodrow Wilson monuments have been removed from the UT campus.

    Davis was a two-fer, a Mexican War hero as well as president of the CSA. Wilson, a Georgia democrat and academic, but also a one time president of Princeton U, had white supremacist leanings and appointed former Confederates to his cabinet

    Comparisons with ISIS in Palmyra need not be stated.

    “Don’t mess with Texas”? What a hollow and empty statement that has proved to be.


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  71. FincaInTheMountains September 1, 2015 at 12:21 pm #

    Clashes At Protest In Ukraine Amid Vote On Giving East More Power
    Parliament is backing giving eastern Ukraine more autonomy

    Svoboda blamed the government, saying that it “provoked Ukrainians to protest” by presenting a bill which is tantamount to “capitulation to the Kremlin.”


    Somebody forgot to tell feeble-minded Ukro Nazis that nobody gives a shit what they think. The new Sheriff is in Town and getting a firm hold over the territory

  72. wpa_ccc September 1, 2015 at 12:47 pm #

    “Right on cue, wpa shows up…” –Cold

    That is why I don’t worry about collapse. People in my community know they can depend upon me to show up. I always do my best to do my duty and to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

  73. capt spaulding September 1, 2015 at 1:52 pm #

    Sounds a lot like the Boy Scout’s pledge.

  74. barbisbest September 1, 2015 at 2:46 pm #

    Janos- systems check, see if I still have my kidneys. Organs leave our body by osmosis sometimes. You’re right Janos. In addition to a retraction of a previous post. I know nothing!!!!!!!!!!!! But one thing. There is at least one thing that lasts forever. The earth isn’t going to make it. Neither is the sky probably with Iran and humans’ history. But, if I were Iran looking at my neighbor, would I want nuclear capability. Learn and return……

    Here we go again
    Alright, alright, alright

    Give a little bit
    Give a little bit of your love to me
    I’ll give a little bit
    I’ll give a little bit of my love to you
    There’s so much that we need to share
    So send a smile and show that you care

    I’ll give a little bit
    I’ll give a little bit of my life for you
    So give a little bit
    Give a little bit of your time to me
    See the girl with the lonely eyes
    Oh, take her hand, you’ll be so surprised, yeah
    Mmm, take it now
    Ooh come along
    Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
    Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

    Give a little bit
    Oh, give a little bit of your love to me
    Oh, give it, give it, give it now
    Give a little bit
    I’ll give a little bit of my life for you
    Now’s the time that we need to share
    So find yourself, we’re on our way back home

    Oh, we’re goin’ back home
    Don’t you need, don’t you need to get back home?
    Oh, yeah, we’re goin’ back home
    We gotta get a feelin’
    Mmm, gotta get a feelin’
    Mmm, get a feelin’ right now
    Oh, right now
    Mmm, Come-a come-a come-a come along

    Yeah yeah yeah yeah
    Yeah yeah yeah
    We come along
    We come along
    We come along
    Come along
    Come along alright


    We’ve come a long way
    Oh what a long ride
    We’ve come a long way
    Well, can we sing it tonight

    • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

      I don’t know the melody of this song so it just seems really gay to me.

      Our organs are animals in a sense. When you get a headache, it’s your brain trying to get out of your skull.

      If you only really believed you knew nothing, you could become wise. But your teacup is full of New Age silliness. The New Age is a religion – a false one.

      • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 5:25 pm #

        California tumbles into the sea
        That’ll be the day I go back to Annandale

        • BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm #

          Drinking some cold ones (Millers) out on the deck underneath these towering elms, swaying in the breeze, reading about Kit Carson, trying to keeping cool in this 90d F heat.

          Goddamit, I’m going to do it, dig out some of the old Steely Dan CDs, give ’em a play after all these years.


          • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 6:46 pm #

            Blood & Thunder? I didn’t put that down until I finished.

          • Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 6:47 pm #

            Wheneverr Janos speaks I think of a “steely dan”…

  75. wpa_ccc September 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm #

    “The earth isn’t going to make it.” –barbisbest

    You are right, barbisbest. The earth definitely is NOT going to make it. Neither is the sun. And without the sun, nothing will grow on earth.

    In fact, the Universe is not going to make it. All nucleons in the observable universe WILL decay and tunnel back into a Black Hole and disappear into nothingness, ready for another big bang.

    This process was described by ancient Hindus thousands of years ago. The Hindus know a thing or two… or not-two… about taking the long view.

    Romantic notions about how, without us humans, the earth will do just fine, is taking a mighty short view. Nobody and nothing escapes. And that includes matter and all the subatomic particles matter rode in on.

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  76. BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 3:39 pm #

    Can murder be described as ordinary? In the past day 2 more murders in Hartford, on a city street, in broad daylight, in the middle of the day. These killings only warranted a brief mention on the local news, the last we will hear of them. The only detail that sets these killings apart is that in both instances the victims were “shot in the chest”, and not the head. The chest offers a broader target. Gun control is in the news again; you think these ghetto dwellers care about your stupid, limp dick, ineffectual, white men’s gun laws? They piss on your stupid laws. These guns are stolen anyway. What surprises me is they haven’t yet jumped into their 94 Caddies, drove out here, and started shooting at us. But who knows what the future holds, it could begin any day. Like I said before even you Libs, ‘specially the ones with daughters, have to be getting a little nervous right about now. Things with the Messiah haven’t exactly worked out the way you envisioned back in ’08, those halcyon days! what now? Everything is just getting worse. As for me, here in town, when I see all these young mothers in the park with their youngsters on these sunny days, I feel afraid for them.


  77. wpa_ccc September 1, 2015 at 3:40 pm #

    “The New Age is a religion – a false one.” — Janos

    At last, one thing we agree on: New Age silliness. Michael York heuristically divides the New Age movement into three broad trends. The first, the “social camp”, represents groups which primarily seek to bring about social change, while the second, “occult camp”, instead focus on contact with spirit entities and channeling. York’s third group, the “spiritual camp”, represents a middle ground between these two camps, and which focuses largely on individual development.

    York, Michael (2001). “New Age Commodification and Appropriation of Spirituality”. Journal of Contemporary Religion 16 (3): 361–372

  78. wpa_ccc September 1, 2015 at 3:48 pm #

    “you think these ghetto dwellers care about your stupid, limp dick, ineffectual, white men’s gun laws? They piss on your stupid laws.” –brh

    When people want illegal drugs, they ignore the drug laws. So, brh, you think we should get rid of the drug laws, too, because people piss on them? Why register cars, brh? When people commit crimes they just steal a car. Let’s get rid of car registration, too. This is fun, right brh? We could just abolish all government and let our inner anarchy freak flag fly… wooo hoooo! What fun!

    Meanwhile, in the world of adults. If gun control legislation saves some lives, or prevents someone from engaging in illegal acts because of failire to pass a background check, gun control laws are valuable.

    • BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 4:37 pm #

      Wait a minute “Freak Flag Fly” that’s my line.

      That’s ok you can use it I myself lifted it from Tom Wolfe’s “The Electric Koolade Acid test.


      • wpa--ccc September 1, 2015 at 4:56 pm #

        I lifted it from David Crosby, who refers to long hair as a freak flag in his song, Almost Cut My Hair. “I feel like letting my freak flag fly.” He probably got it from Wolfe. I like you, brh. You still reads books and that makes you A-OK, even if we are of different ages and from different social classes and geographic regions. We share CFN.

        • BackRowHeckler September 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm #

          I’m originally from the swamp Yankee New England mill town white trash class, like the Martins in Kerouac’s “The Town and the City”.

          We belonged here, we owned this place, our ancestors built it and fought for it … that’s how we felt.

          Hey WPA did you ever see that portrait of David Crosby in Rolling Stone by John Christiansen? Probably back in the late 80s. Crosby was really a complicated dude, and self destructive. I’m surprised he’s still alive.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm #

            As Napoleon said, everyone of his troops had a Marshall’s baton in his haversack. Hitler said the same. You may not have become a Hegemon or Margrave, but there’s going to be nothing to stop your son from so doing. Just be sure that he inherits your tools – your gun collection.

    • elysianfield September 1, 2015 at 7:39 pm #

      ” gun control laws are valuable”

      No, gun control laws are not valuable…they just provide a feel-good moment for the foolish and uninformed…in effect, pissing into the hurricane that is crime in America. Any gun control advocate, in his black little heart, knows and understands that the latest “reasonable gun control law” is just another step towards the holy grail… absolute confiscation. Nothing else will make the effete in our society feel safe. You are foolish if you feel that the police can protect you…they cannot. They CAN, however, arrive at a post-mortem and generate great records for the statistician. Been there, done that.

  79. Frankiti September 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm #

    In the suburbs I
    I learned to drive
    And you told me we’d never survive
    Grab your mother’s keys we’re leavin’

    You always seemed so sure
    That one day we’d be fighting
    In a suburban war
    Your part of town against mine
    I saw you standing on the opposite shore

    But by the time the first bombs fell
    We were already bored
    We were already, already bored

    And all of the walls that they built in the seventies finally fall
    And all of the houses they built in the seventies finally fall
    Meant nothin’ at all
    Meant nothin’ at all
    It meant nothin

    Sometimes I can’t believe it
    I’m movin’ past the feeling
    Sometimes I can’t believe it
    I’m movin’ past the feeling and into the night

    So can you understand?
    Why I want a daughter while I’m still young
    I wanna hold her hand
    And show her some beauty
    Before all this damage is done

    They heard me singing and they told me to stop
    Quit these pretentious things and just punch the clock
    Sometimes I wonder if the world’s so small
    Can we ever get away from the sprawl?
    Living in the sprawl
    Dead shopping malls rise like mountains beyond mountains
    And there’s no end in sight
    I need the darkness, someone please cut the lights

    Let’s go downtown and talk to the modern kids
    They will eat right out of your hand
    Using great big words that they don’t understand
    They’re singing:
    Rococo, rococo, rococo, rococo

    They build it up just to burn it back down
    They build it up just to burn it back down
    The wind is blowing all the ashes around
    Oh my dear God what is that horrible song they’re singin’

    Rococo, rococo, rococo, rococo

    Well sir, it’s the first time I’ve felt like something is mine
    Like I have something to give
    The last defender of the sprawl
    Said, well where do you kids live?
    Well sir, if you only knew
    What the answer is worth
    Been searching every corner
    Of the earth

    Let’s go for a drive
    And see the town tonight
    There’s nothing to do but I don’t mind when I’m with you

    This time’s so strange
    They built it to change
    And while we’re sleeping all the streets, they rearrange.

    And my old friends, we were so different then
    Before your war against the suburbs began
    Before it began

    And now the music divides
    Us into tribes
    You grew your hair so I grew mine
    You said the past won’t rest
    Until we jump the fence
    And leave it behind

  80. meargen September 1, 2015 at 6:00 pm #

    A good podcast, although with the usual in six months there will be doom. I do remember the seventies, and they were rough. It seemed to be a time when a lot of problems with America came home to roost…the spending from Vietnam, energy (although I think a lot of it was manipulated…really, Saudi Arabia doesn’t control us, we control Saudi Arabia), the beginning industrial decline, and no one knew what to do. As JHK said, we had this problem, and the sprawl culture was a reaction to it, to keep the illusion of growth going instead of retooling industry and re-thinking markets.
    Also, by the end of the decade, the first effects of illegal immigration was becoming apparent.

    I’d like to go back to the sixties. I just saw the movie/documentary The Best of Enemies, recalling the 1968 elections, and the sparring between William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal. I actually watched the debates, and they were a lot of fun. As the movies notes, both subjects despised each other, and ABC used them to sag up low ratings. Back then, CBS and NBC were top. It was said the Vietnam war could have been ended if it went to ABC, because it would be cancelled in thirteen weeks.
    There was little talk about the actual convention. Instead, Buckley and Vidal represented two different views, and it was much more enjoyable and thoughtful then doing the usual talking head stuff, like, say, will the next president be Nelson Rockefeller? And what about the last-minute draft for Charles Percy?
    The peak came when Vidal, at Chicago and while there were riots in the streets, called Buckley a crypto-Nazi. Buckley exploded. “Don’t you call me a crypto-Nazi, you faggot, or I’ll plaster you and you’ll stay plastered,” Buckley shot back. Vidal was unmoved. After that, they commented behind a curtain, away from each other. It was said VIdal won the debate, and Buckley was always bothered by his losing his temper. As Vidal said to him once the camera was shut off ‘well, we gave them quite a show.’
    It was a ratings bonanza. It’s also said to be the start of the point/counterpoint school of TV debates…or arguing.

    What is interesting is the world of 1968. There was Vietnam (an endless war), race riots (blacks looting and burning cities), and police violence, and people calling for ‘Law and order.’
    Sound familiar?

    Vidal said America was becoming an empire by making war overseas, and that it would destroy us, because empires, once created, are destructive, and you can’t get rid of them. It would seem a lot of what Vidal said was prescient, especially where he said there was no republic, but a state controlled by corporate power.
    Buckley, on the other hand, was seen as the great hope of conservatism, who got it going again, eventually building the coalition that brought Reagan to power. Buckley said people had to stand and say ‘no’ to history.
    Yet, today, the conservative movement seems lost. All the Reagan activism ended and the GOP leadership made sure it got put down. Anyway, it was said Reagan was partly senile in his second term, and Bush pretty much ran things. The new movement of conservatism and a return to private freedom seems dead, and has been coopted by corporate America, who uses the left and right for its own ends. Vidal said there is only one party in America, the property party, and it has two wings…the Democrats and Republicans.
    Also, the open sexuality Vidal advocated seems to have won as well. Then, we felt we had a choice between Nixon and Humphrey. I don’t know if anyone really feels Bush and Hilary are any kind of choice. Also, Vidal and Buckley were both erudite, intellectual, and, as the movie said, if not part of the WASP establishment certainly aped them. There isn’t much of an intellectual discourse these days, as JHK has often noted, and Vidal said what died in the 60’s was the liberal idea…replaced by conservatism and radicalism, although after a failed political try, the radicals got absorbed into the media and academia, and began their climb to power through there.
    I’ve always liked Vidal, and the movie talked a lot about his book Myra Breckinridge, hot at the time. Buckley had the National Review, although in the last few years, it was purged of the older ‘paleo conservatives’, and taken over by Neocons. So it’s poignant seeing that world of 1968.
    It’s a thoughtful movie.

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    • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 7:02 pm #

      Yes, Buckley became a caricature, crawling to the Jews in order to get invitations to dinner parties and political luncheons. Gore Vidal told the Podheritz Pod people to go to hell.

      One them asked him what he was working on once. He told him it was a Civil War novel. Pod’s head went back as if struck and he said, What are you interested in that for? Vidal realized that they had no interest in the event that had torn America apart and that was still shaping it to this day. America began for them when their tribe decamped at Ellis Island. In an amazingly short time, one of them named Emma Lazaras defaced the Statue of Liberty with her give us your scum poem.

    • nsa September 1, 2015 at 7:03 pm #

      Both creeps were correct: buckley was a gucci goosestepper and vidal a dedicated weewee licker……neither deserve capital letters.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 11:20 pm #

        Bravo. You hatred of homosexuality comes not from Theology, but from Natural Law. You heart may be a rotten apple, yet it’s still apple enough to know right from wrong.

  81. wpa--ccc September 1, 2015 at 8:36 pm #

    Obama is channeling Sara Palin in Alaska by promoting “domestic oil production” … Why is Obama permitting drilling up there?… Why is Obama not blocking XL Pipeline … What have they done to the real Obama? Where is he? Who is this corporatist in the White House?

  82. ZrCrypDiK September 1, 2015 at 9:26 pm #

    ” Going medieval would imply living within the solar energy income of the planet, and by that I don’t mean photo-voltaic panels, but rather what the planet might provide in the way of plant and animal “income” for a substantially smaller population of humans. That plus a long-term resource salvage operation.”

    Yeah, *that*!!! The exponential clearcutting of all living forests on the planet (total species extinction) makes that seem hardly possible, BTW…

    Salvage/recycle seems the most prudent course forward. Unfortunately, the Banksters-That-Be can still leverage every “client account” 10/30/100::1, with *NAKED* shorts (and high frequency/millisecond trades). The money system (0.125% annual savings rate?) is still in their QE-infinity hands…

    Looks pretty grim. Harvest season *ALMOST* over, here in the northern hemisphere. And, *thx* for listening .

  83. Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm #

    Let us look back over the development, or at least that part of it known to us, through which our people have passed since those dim historic ages down to the present time. We shall then recognize how puny is all the fuss that these weakling fools make who immediately begin to talk about the collapse of the economic structure—and hence of human existence—the first moment a piece of printed paper loses its face value somewhere in the world. Germany and the German people have mastered many a grave catastrophe. Of course, we must admit that the right men were always needed to formulate the necessary measures and enforce them without paying any attention to those negative persons who always think that they know more than others. A bevy of parliamentarian weaklings are certainly not the kind of men to lead a nation out of the slough of distress and despair. I firmly believed and was solemnly convinced that the economic catastrophe would be mastered in Germany as soon as the people could be got to believe in their own immortality as a people and as soon as they realized that the aim and purpose of all economic effort is to save and maintain the life of the nation.

    (2) I was not an economist, which means that I have never been a theorist during my whole life.

    But unfortunately I have observed that the worst theorists are always busy in those quarters where theory has no place at all and where practical life counts for everything. It goes without saying that in the economic sphere and with the passing of time experience has given rise to the employment of certain definite principles and also definite methods of work which have been proved to be productive of good results. But all methods and principles are subject to the time element. To make hard-and-fast dogmas out of practical methods would deprive the human faculties and working power of that elasticity which alone enables them to face changing demands by changing the means of meeting them accordingly and thus mastering them. There were many persons among us who busied themselves, with that perseverance which is characteristic of the Germans, in an effort to formulate dogmas from economic methods and then raise that dogmatic system to a branch of our university curriculum, under the title of national economy. According to the pronouncements issued by these national economists, Germany was irrevocably lost. It is a characteristic of all dogmatists that they vigorously reject any new dogma. In other words, they criticize any new piece of knowledge that may be put forward and reject it as mere theory. For the last eigtheen [sic] years we have been witnessing a rare spectacle. Our economic dogmatists have been proved wrong in almost every branch of practical life and yet they repudiate those who have actually overcome the economic crisis, as propagators of false theories and damn them accordingly.

    You all know the story of the doctor who told a patient that he could live only for another six months. Ten years afterwards the patient met the physician; but the only surprise which the latter expressed at the recovery of the patient was to state that the treatment which the second doctor gave the patient was entirely wrong.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm #

      ^ “Trump”^

      • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 1:51 am #

        Sun, you stopped taking your meds again. I’m glad. It’s better to burn out than fade away.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 1:54 am #

        First one is about herbal essence shampoo I guess. Second one? Something about cattle mutilation.

        • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 10:30 pm #

          I still dont understand why (WHY?!?) JHK doesn’t ban your racist @$$.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 10:36 pm #

            Maybe because he believes in the First Amendment? You are unworthy to be an American. I want you out of my Country in 30 days.

  84. BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 7:33 am #

    Turns out one of the murder victims in Hartford yesterday was a fireman in a town outside the city. He was shot in front of house in one of the more stable parts of the city. Media here is confounded; after all, just last weekend the police dept sponsored a ‘gun buyback program’, no questions asked.

    Last night in Bristol, a city of about 40,000, in transition from being majority white and industrial, to minority-majority and welfare dependent, an elderly man was nearly beaten to death while out walking his dog by a group (gang?) of (misunderstood?) ‘youth’. The rot doesn’t stay confined to he larger cities for too long, ‘specially now that the State encourages their charges to take the section 8 vouchers into surrounding areas, outside the urban areas. Some of these towns don’t know what hit them.

    The problem today is the scheduled ‘anti-violence rally’, another one, in downtown Hartford, which always results in a few more beatdowns, stabbings and gunfire. This is what happened a few weeks ago with news cameras rolling. One dead, one wounded, rally over real quick.


  85. BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 8:01 am #

    Also, Janos, what of Germany today?

    Who is Angela Merkel?

    Not only has she committed Germany to accept as many migrants as shows up, perhaps millions, but insists the rest of western Europe do so as well.

    Question. Will these migrants — black Africans, Syrian and Afghan Muslims — be expected to become German, learn the German language, become Roman Catholic or Lutheran? Or will they retain he Muslim religion and continue to speak their own Arabic and African languages, in effect establishing foreign colonies inside Germany, separate from the German people except when it comes time to collect welfare payments? On that day everybody is German of course one big happy human family!

    This is Germans doing this to themselves. You can’t blame WW2 for this, or the allies, or the United States. The war ended 70 years ago, Germany seems not to have recovered yet, and now it may be too late.


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    • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

      You have a lot of nerve and/or ignorance. Germany is conquered territory. Merkel is your evil bitch. Hundreds if not thousands of Europeans are in prison for making Anti-Muslim or Anti-Semitic comments.

      Of course WW2 and the Allies are to blame. The Jews have made sure the war hysteria never ended, only taking newer and more malicious forms all the time.

      Do you really think the Fascists would have turned Europe over to Islam and Black Africa? You need a brain wash.

      • BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 2:36 pm #


        The SS had a Bosnian Muslim Division in WW2. The Grand Mufti in Egypt was a frequent guest in Berlin of Hitler. In WW1 Turkey was Germany’s loyal ally, and it was German officers in the Turkish army who drove the British from Gallipoli. After WW2 Germany invited in Turkish laborers — by the tens of thousands, to do jobs the Germans should have been doing themselves. After Germany lost in 1945, hundreds of Nazis and SS officers found sanctuary in Muslim countries like Syria and Egypt.

        It looks to me Germany and Islam have been joined at the hip for a long time, Now they’e about to get their full measure of Islam. F-kk ’em. It couldn’t happen to better people.


        • BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 2:44 pm #

          Also Janos, still blaming everything on ‘the jews’, I see.

          The thing is, I like a winner, and Israel is a winner, victorious in its defensive wars over 6 decades, unlike say, Germany, losing every war it started, and against lesser odds the Israelis ever faced.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 5:51 pm #

            Oh and don’t forget the aid we gave them. And their terrorism against British soldiers and diplomats. But yes, many conservatives are like minded with you. You’ve given up on America and become Israel groupies. I don’t blame you for hating weakness – Men love strength. But why not be the real thing instead of just a fan? Why not have a nation of our own again?

            Btw, are we actually having a conversation? You actually responded to my response. If so, what do you think of the Kalergi Plan to miscegenate Europeans out of existence?

        • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 6:00 pm #

          True or false, we have troops stationed in Germany? Did Germany ever really regain its freedom? And yes, Muslims are pouring into every European Country, not just Germany – and to America as well. Seems like a vast Evil on the part of the dominant culture and country – that’s us Einstein. Or to be more accurate, the Ideological Cult and Tribe that rule us. Two different things, btw. It really does seem that Israel got thrown under the bus on the Iran deal. They’re going to release Pollard to mollify them a bit.

          And who is against the Muslim invasion of Europe? Nationalists? Check. And of course many of those are National Socialists, Fascists, or “Nazis” to you Jewified Rat Patrol fans. Face it, your ideas don’t make a lick of sense when really examined.

          Thank Gott that some National Socialists got away. And yes! a few even helped Nasser develop the Egyptian military. And no, that doesn’t mean the “Nazis” would have allowed Islam to take over Europe like your heroes have done. Get a clue, clown.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 11:18 pm #

        Germans kicked out of their homes to make room for refugees. You think National Socialists support this? You can go to hell.


        • BackRowHeckler September 3, 2015 at 7:05 am #

          What’s with the name calling, Jan.? You present yourself as a ‘Christian Gentleman’, but would a Gentleman, in debate, call his opponent a clown, or tell them to go to hell? It looks like I hit a nerve.

          Why not move to Germany? Germany is taking all comers, I’m sure they’d take you.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm #

            So that was your purpose? To rattle my cage? To hit a nerve? So we weren’t actually having a discussion? And this makes you a gentleman?

            There are limits to everything. A gentleman is not just one who is gentle, but also one who rides and shoots. Claiming that National Socialists support Merkel’s destruction of Germany is a Stupidity born of Ignorance and an Ignorance born of Evil. It is not something to be tolerated.

  86. FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 9:40 am #

    “The war ended 70 years ago” == brh

    Which one?

    • BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 10:33 am #

      The one Putin is in China commemorating today.


      • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

        What that war has to do with today’s immigration wave to Europe? I thought it is a chain of destabilization operations carried out by US and its NATO accomplices that is so fondly refereed to by MSM as “Arab Spring”.

        Of course some American funds are adding gas to the fire by funding North African coyotes.

      • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 10:40 pm #

        Everybod goes 1111 2 222222 333333333 HEHEHE!!!

        • ZrCrypDiK September 2, 2015 at 10:42 pm #

          So simple
          What up?!?

      • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 11:45 pm #

        Ever think about taking a fresh look at things? We can’t go back, but only forward.


  87. nsa September 2, 2015 at 10:55 am #

    It is often necessary to hurt the criminal few….. to save the gullible many. On Monday, 200 relatives and friends of the dead (drug ODs) conducted a march to increase awareness of this poison (heroin and meth) circulating through this small white trash community….almost all of it brought in by mex cartels centered in Yakima (fondly called crackima locally) and renegade asians (ecstacy). Note the cartels kill any of their own members using the stuff……but it’s ok to sell it to your kids…..with deportation of the filthy degenerate beaner importers being the main punishment. This is all wrong and the solution is simple: deport all the illegal mex scum including their horrible anchor babies and then install a three day rule for drug peddlers….day 1: arrest….day 2: trial (no appeals)…..day 3: public execution by hanging with the body left in place for the crows and gulls as an object lesson. Every time you kill a drug peddler, you save the lives of scores of american citizens…….

    • meargen September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm #

      Gore Vidal in the Playboy interview on Buckley:
      ‘…Poor Bill was not at his best. I’ve never seen anyone sweat as much as he did on camera. Finally, on election night, he even refused to meet with me-or even meet me-and so we worked with a velvet curtain between us, answering Howard K. Smith’s questions. I can’t think where Bill got such a reputation as a debater. I found him a bit of a bird-brain, unable to pursue any train of thought logically, no doubt because he doesn’t want to let on to what extent he really is fascist minded…Remember his response to my suggestion that he was a ‘crypto-Nazi?’ He said he was no Nazi, he shrieked, because he had been in the infantry-non sequitor-and he would punch me in the nose: hubris! It was a fascinating display of girlish temper, with eyes rolling, tongue licking, lips moist and, as always, the spontaneous dissimulation…contrary to his usual billing, Buckley is not an intellectual: He is an entertainer and self-publicist, and since the far right have practically no one they dare display in public, he has been able to make a nice niche for himself as a sort of epicene Joe McCarthy.’

      Fun to read. I admit I always liked Vidal’s style. Buckley always used a lot of techniques I found off-putting…’In my perjorative sense, to gainsay the matter…’ it always seemed snooty to me. Vidal was much more direct, like JHK. JHK’s books and podcasts are always readable and concise.

      Now, on Germany. I think Merkel’s a mystery. She is very popular, though, but I miss leaders like Brandt, Schmidt, and Kohl. She also said there were too many ‘immigrants’ in Germany, then a few days later, she changes her mind.
      I’m recalled when I met some Germans after reunification. An East German couple I met were pleasant and hopeful, glad to have the communists and hoped for a better life. When I talked to a West German couple, they were reluctant, hoping that things wouldn’t become ‘conservative.’ When I said I hoped someday Germany could get back Pomerania and Silesia (lands taken from them after WWII and given to Poland), they stared and almost ran away from me. I understand there are spies ready to denounce Germans if they become too ‘nationalistic’…but there are spies in Britain, too.
      I know fifteen years ago, I spoke to a very liberal German techer, and she said there were just too many foreigners in Germany. They didn’t have room for them, and said America should take them.
      I heard that every Gernan chancellor is told if they deviate from western policy, they will be disposed of. I don’t know how true this is. I also know in he UN charter, it gave Russia the right to intervene in Germany if the Germans became too militaristic. I’d like to hear what Janos thinks about this.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 2:18 pm #

        I never heard that. I imagine that it was something to soothe Soviet officials at the time. Germany is clearly in the Western sphere now – politically. As to the military sphere, well that’s another story. Could NATO stave off a Russian tank army? Obviously not – except with nukes. That proviso would be a great pretence after the fact though. Diplomacy is often an extension of war by other means.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 6:05 pm #

          A good casus belli is a joy forever. Much like the plausible deniability of the bureaucrat. Insects go for sweets, bureaucrats deniability.

          Now could Russia claim that NATO IS the German military? And use a NATO arms build up a viable causus belli?

    • Buck Stud September 2, 2015 at 12:55 pm #


      There is an even simpler, and dare I suggest, more conservative solution with no need for public executions and billions of dollars down the drain fighting an unwinnable drug war.

      And that solution would be for “American Citizens” to simply abstain from ingesting narcotics in such large numbers and in such copious amounts.

      Presto–pops goes the Mexican Cartel problem.

      This will never work, however; as you indicated, the American Citizens you want to save are–in your words–nothing but “White Trash” at the end of the day.

      If it wasn’t drugs from Mexico it would be sniffing glue and paint from the local hardware store.

  88. Pucker September 2, 2015 at 12:55 pm #

    Why is it that since the ancient Greeks people don’t write tragedies anymore? The ancient Greeks considered Life to be tragic because of Man’s inherently flawed character. Is this because of the Cult of Positive Thinking?

    “Think Positive, Dude! Don’t be such a Downer!”

  89. Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 2:20 pm #

    The Mountain has moved. Putin isn’t going to let Asad go down against Zionist and ISIS forces. This is a game changer.


    • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 2:35 pm #

      Yeap, Russian MIG-31s have already established a no-fly zone over Syria and parts of Iraq – and it is not in American, Israeli or Turkish favor.

      New sheriff is in town.

  90. FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 5:18 pm #

    Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil

    Facing an imploding stock market and the potential for even more widespread economic chaos, the dictatorship ruling mainland China — the top foreign holder of U.S. Treasury bonds — is selling U.S. debt to prop up the Chinese yuan (renminbi), according to news reports. The move, which has long been anticipated by analysts, could have major implications for the American economy and especially the U.S. dollar — particularly if the pace of liquidation were to accelerate. As of now, confusion about the developments is running rampant.


    President of Russia submitted to the Duma a bill, that essentially stops the use of dollar for foreign trade transactions between the member countries of the Customs Union.


    Such actions, if not imply economic warfare, the aim of which is to undermine the dollar system until its complete destruction, certainly are demonstration of such capability.

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    • BackRowHeckler September 2, 2015 at 5:30 pm #

      Your English is pretty good. Where’d you learn it?


      • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 5:54 pm #

        I went to school in Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg) where English was taught from the first grade. Several subjects – English Literature, Physics and Geography was taught in English as well.

        Unfortunately, I did not get to use it up until later in my life when I moved to Chicago and – surprise , surprise – nobody could understand me and I couldn’t understand anybody.

        Problem was my English turned out to be of British variety, and it took me another year in States to get adjusted, 2 years to get completely comfortable (including on he phone).

  91. FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 5:41 pm #

    An average house uses about 250 gallons of water per day.

    For a small electric pump, 2 h.p, 50 gpm (gallons per minute) it’ll take about 5 minutes and 3 cents worth of electricity (I am taking 20 cents per KWH) to pump that up.

    If you do it by hand using two 5-gallon buckets, you’ll have to make 25 round trips to the well (say at 50 yards, or 100 yards per trip) to accomplish the same result.

    You’ll spend entire day and completely exhausted to make those 3 cents.

  92. wpa--ccc September 2, 2015 at 6:02 pm #

    Finca, solar pumps will pump water up to 600 foot total head, and can pump up to 85 gallons per minute.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 6:10 pm #

      Down comes the pounding rain
      And dark are the skies up above me
      But you’ll be mine when the sun shines
      Racing to catch late trains
      And waiting while crowds push and shove me
      But you’ll be mine when the sun shines

  93. FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 6:18 pm #

    My farm is located up in the mountains, near the village where they got electric power only about 5 years ago, before that now power whatsoever.

    Somehow I don’t observe mad rush to obtain a solar panels for the houses. Water is collected from the rainfall, now, when there is no rain for 3 months in a row, they carry water in 25-gallon drums, pair of which are mounted on a mule.

    Why is that?

    • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 6:32 pm #

      I guess only San Francisco’s Merry guys could afford those. Village is not Gay enough to have the Solar Panels luxury.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 6:43 pm #

      Using the animals for carrying water has its advantages as well – you could screw it afterwards, but you are going to need a pair of wide riding boots: you place hind legs of animal into bootlegs and then have your way.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 2, 2015 at 7:43 pm #

      I guess a simple solution is to abstain from using your bidet in your bathroom too often, that is if you have a bidet or you have a bathroom.

  94. Therian September 2, 2015 at 9:33 pm #

    The theme of the USA moving forward is that any REAL recovery has, in its bosom, the seeds of a collapse in the form of higher interest rates. Our debt is NOT serviceable unless money is FREE. It’s that simple. The Fed may play “make pretend” and furrow their brows before raising rates to a whole 0.25% but let’s get real. It won’t be anything like 1% maybe ever again!! In other words, the recovery short circuits … itself!!!

    God forbid, if money ever stops being quasi-free, we’re instant toast.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 2, 2015 at 10:34 pm #

      Read “Trump’s” speech above. Real nations can laugh at such paper problems. But in America, people went hungry while crops rotted in the fields. Such is the perversity of letting the Capitalists run your country.

  95. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 1:27 am #

    An important distinction that earlier philosophers and Christians and Muslims understood was that money is a means of exchange.

    Money is not meant in it of itself to be a source of income. You can invest money by buying goods and products and selling them as a businessman. But when you loan money and make money off the money, you have perverted the purpose of money which is a means of exchange. And you have made it an end.

    “To take usury for money lent is unjust in itself, because this is to sell what does not exist, and this evidently leads to inequality which is contrary to justice” -Thomas Aquinas

    “You cannot make money just with money.” -Martin Luther

    “The most hated sort, and with the greatest reason, is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself and not from the natural object of it. For money was intended to be used in exchange but not to increase at interest. And this term interest (tokos), which means the birth of money from money is applied to the breeding of money because the offspring resembles the parent. Wherefore of all modes of getting wealth, this is the most unnatural.” -Aristotle

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  96. FincaInTheMountains September 3, 2015 at 6:38 am #

    Bubble – crisis – bubble – crisis – bubble – crisis…

    In the beginning there was a Bubble

    How capitalist economy is developing?

    Initially a bubble is created. For example, railways bubble. The railways become fashionable, a lot of money was invested in railroad companies, locomotives and rails were being massively built, like a spider web, entangled all the places where the railroad was at least theoretically necessary.

    After some time in a natural way the bubble bursts. Investors lose money, companies go bankrupt, but still in the country remain railroad tracks which is very necessary to develop the industries.

    It turns out a kind of technological leap, following which the Nation enters a new stage of development.

    Now fast forward a century ahead, to the dotcom crisis. At the turn of the millennium the dollar world inflated a colossal bubble. All companies somehow connected to the Internet, were wildly overvalued. Enough was to come up with “revolutionary” idea, put together a lousy web site, and sell shares in amount of dozens if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

    After the collapse of the dotcom bubble, investors, as usual, were left without money, but the planet has inherited fast and cheap communication channels, which could no longer be paid off quickly, but enabled Internet technology to grow full swing over the past 15 years. Remember how the Internet appeared in the nineties?

    Modems, phone lines are busy, turtle speed at a significant cost … We have to say thank you to the dotcom bubble for megabits coming to every house, which now seem something quite natural.

    Just look at any stock chart and see that we are now in a transition point between the bubble and the crisis. The bubble is already ripe and ready to burst.

    But … what we are going to get from the current bubble that was inflated in stocks, bonds and various derivatives? Railways? High-speed Internet channels?

    No. We are not going to get anything. Everything has been stolen before: the current bubble was inflated on pure air, in complete isolation from the real economy. And this means that the hangover this time will be especially severe.


  97. Cold N. Holefield September 3, 2015 at 7:20 am #

    The Enemy Within

    Mommy & Daddy are scumbag corporate whores
    They give to the rich the stolen wealth of the poor
    They like to pretend
    That they’re your friend
    But they won’t be content ’til the living planet’s no more

    Mr. Robot

  98. BackRowHeckler September 3, 2015 at 7:27 am #

    That military parade in China was pretty impressive, rivaling anything the Soviets ever staged on Red Square back in the day. What hardware, and disciplined troops … by the tens of thousands, just a small sliver of their 6 million man army (as opposed to our 400,000)

    Just from observation it didn’t seem like a force willing to squander precious capital shepherding a few women thru special forces training, strictly for PC purposes, or taking extraordinary measures to accommodate tranvestites and homosexuals in the ranks. Maybe I’m wrong on that.

    Oh, for good measure, at the same time the Chinese were busy staging this military spectacle, they were deploying warships off our west coast. Has the Pharaoh taken note? Well, he was busy appearing on a reality TV show, burnishing his show biz bona fides. And soon he’ll be on Colbair.


    • Buck Stud September 3, 2015 at 10:25 am #

      And what would have “The Pharaoh” do BRH? Start a new initiative to bring back the draft so that the U.S. has a bit more manpower in relation to China? Or raise the world’s highest defense budget even higher?

      Or maybe you can let go of the John Wayne WW2 movies that have made such a deep,propagandist impact on your psyche and realize that the U.S. cannot defeat the likes of a Russia or China in a military confrontation in the year 2016.

      Those days are gone forever BRH; in fact, they never really existed witness the dismal post WW2 military record of the U.S. starting in Korea just five years after the end of WW2.

      But that doesn’t mean you still can’t indulge yourself in the occasional display of pure jingoistic fantasy. I mean it’s well known here on CFN and on the front porches of your hometown that you like to dress up as George C. Scott’s “Patton and do you best opening scene karaoke speech each and every Halloween.

      So just a friendly reminder to keep reality and fantasy compartmentalized. Thanks in advance, BRH.

      • elysianfield September 3, 2015 at 11:17 am #

        “John Wayne WW2 movies”

        John Wayne was considered a shirker during the war…avoided military service, and was detested by many who worked with him….

        • Buck Stud September 3, 2015 at 2:16 pm #


          I guess you make my case concerning reality–“John Wayne was considered a shirker during the war”–versus fantasy–John Wayne as Marine Sergeant John Stryker in one of the all-time box office hits, “Sands of Iwo Jima”.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm #

        Yes, he would eagerly embrace another War overseas, China, Iran, ISIS – take your pick. Does it even matter to him? But when it comes to saving America, he would balk when it comes to doing what that would take – even though no brutality is excessive when it comes to the official “enemies” of the Unites States. He essentially wants the 1950’s again – a deeply compromised and corrupt era that lead right to where we are now. So why does he want it? Because he was young then and back then everyone believed the myth, so in his mind everything was good. So essentially he’s voting for himself. It’s all about the Flag, the Military Funerals, the Symbolism as opposed the reality – in other words, it’s all about the “feels”….

      • BackRowHeckler September 3, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

        Pretty funny image, Buck. I got a good laugh out of that line about Patton.

        Janos hammers from the right, Buck Stud (in a more humorous fashion) hammers me from the left.

        That leaves me somewhere in the middle.

        Jim Webb for President!

        Now, Janos, you implore me to engage in a discussion, as far as it is possible on a forum like this, and when I oblige:

        1) You state I need a ‘brain wash’.

        2) Call me a clown

        3) Tell me to go to hell

        We didn’t get off to a very good start with our conversation. In fact I would hardly call it a conversation.


        • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 1:41 pm #

          If you think that “Nazis” support the unspeakable tragedy facing Germany, then you are filth.

          And if you think that this tragedy is funny – and you do seem to be throwing it in my face in a cavalier fashion – you are Evil.

          Yes, I wonder if we’ve ever had a conversation. Or if you are even capable of it or worth conversing with.

          • Buck Stud September 3, 2015 at 2:26 pm #

            “He essentially wants the 1950’s again” –Janos on BRH

            If the above quote/assertion from Janos is true–is it BRH?–then it is just more evidence of right-wing conservative incoherence. For example, the top tier tax rates in the 50s’ was over 90% which is an anathema to modern day conservatives(even though they love to romantically cite the positive aspects of the 50s minus the economic underpinnings).

            If the head of the dragon moves so will the tail; and vice versa. Nothing exists in isolation–the glorification of the 50s minus historical circumstances including economic policy, for example

          • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 3:10 pm #

            That much, eh? The price of having a viable Nation is high, eh? The alternative is modern India where the few live in high tech luxury while people use the gutter as toilets.

            Nice dragon image. People want something for nothing as Mr Kunstler often says. If we end illegal immigration, the Americans will have to sweat in the sun again. And yeah, they might not be as good at it for awhile. And yeah, they’ll have to be paid more. Nothing comes from nothing.

            If that price is to high, then we continue on with cultural and political balkanization – until the Mexes are replaced with robots along with everyone else. Think about the Price of that one.

  99. nsa September 3, 2015 at 11:33 am #

    Germanistan importing one million low skill indigent muslims per year. How the fuck is it possible to goosestep in sandals? Next expect to see Merkel in a burka…….size XXL…….welcoming the new arrivals. Bratwurst falafel, anyone?

    • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 1:36 pm #

      Yes that’s far more likely than the Muslims learning to eat sausage and drink beer.

      It’s all a Nazi plot according to Alex Jones and BRH. The Jews are the center of everything you see. Anything that’s good for them is “American”. Everything bad for them is “Nazi”. And of course they do want Germany destroyed by Muslims. But since Alex and BRH can’t admit this, they pretend that the Jews don’t want this (because that would make them evil).

      • BackRowHeckler September 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm #

        Dude, probably do you good to get yourself a job, any job, and mix it up with ordinary people on a daily basis in real life, get away from this fantasy internet life which you seem to take way too seriously. Also, for Chrissake, develop a sense of humor.


        • malthuss September 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm #

          ‘develop a sense of humor’…..why? Facts are facts.
          What does a laugh have to do with facts?

          Yr ‘reports from the war zone’ are excellent, BUT FAR FROM FUNNY.

          • BackRowHeckler September 3, 2015 at 5:21 pm #

            Malt, there’s such a thing as ‘dark comedy’. Check out Celine’s ‘Death on the Installment Plan’, or ‘Journey to the End of the Night’. You’ll see what mean.

            Also, Janos, you seem to be ‘tone deaf’, and easily offended, not good traits for a back and forth forum like CFNation.


          • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 12:14 am #

            Camp of the Saints is also Black Comedy – which maintains the sense of tragedy throughout, growing more and more until the final crescendo. Without this dynamic, it is not Black Comedy. All this is very far from your “harm joy” (schadenfreude) at the fate of Germany.

            Your beliefs are at once utterly delusional and profoundly ugly and malicious. I am not ashamed that I retain the capacity for indignation.

            You believe things because you want to believe them. And you enjoy the idea of Germany being destroyed for its sins – including the sin of losing which stems from your worship of power in and of itself. Will you cease to love America once it is broken and defeated? How about Israel? Is such utterly conditional love really love? I sincerely hope you find out these things about yourself, especially in regards to the latter.

            Many took Kipling to task about his love of Britain as Empire. You don’t love your Homeland because it is the best, but because (like your mother) it is yours.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

          Oh so now it’s all just funny? Life as a comic strip and as a cartoon character. And you think people like this will prosper? Or deserve to?

          • malthuss September 4, 2015 at 12:42 am #

            Your beliefs are at once utterly delusional and profoundly ugly and malicious.

            What beliefs? His love of Isra hell?

  100. volodya September 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm #


    Stock markets are underpinned by so many lies you don’t know where to start. You could write a book. In fact, I’m sure that investment houses have got exactly that, books of lies to tell the suckers, er, I mean their clients.

    There’s a few that really make me laugh. Like the commonly heard expression “shareholders’ money”. As if. Cracks me up. Totally meaningless but it sounds so terribly astute. Like when those fast-talking bullshit artists on business talk shows say it.

    John Bogle, the founder of Vanguard, said that there were 250 billion in stock IPO’s last year which is fine because stock markets are there to help businesses raise money. Then he said there were 32 TRILLION dollars in stock trades.

    His point being isn’t this a bit disproportionate? And he would be right.

    But who cui bonoed from such ludicrous out-of-whack-ness? You guessed it, insider stock market middle-men.

    The stock market is a front-running, HFT, insider-rigged, Fed manipulated, shark tank. And ordinary people are minnows.

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  101. volodya September 3, 2015 at 12:19 pm #


    Zero interest rates are symptomatic of economies in extremis. There’s no way to fix this. They say that what ails us is lack of demand. A GLOBAL lack of demand. And I would agree, aside that is, from scarce energy and an energy industry that’s convulsing.

    But there’s no way to fix this lack of demand because there’s no way in hell the oligarch-class will pay high enough wages. They irretrievably wrecked the production-consumption cycle by offshoring and they are hell-bent on riding this sucker right down to zero.

    See, they try to soothe us. And maybe soothe themselves for that matter. They tell us that the key to rebuilding the economy is education and infrastructure and lowering taxes. Which is, of course, entirely bogus. It’s a lie.

    Because factories were offshored to places where people had minimal education, where infrastructure was primitive, that had governmental shakedowns instead of tax regimes. But it didn’t stop the offshoring did it?

    And besides, there is not a CEO in existence that understands or gives a fuck about the tax code or tax rates. Aside from those that apply to him personally.

    What CEOs give a fuck about are buck an hour wage rates. When your company expenses in the US are 70% wage costs, this is serious money.

    I’m betting that those “tax inversions” you hear about are smoke and mirrors routines by a CEO class that’s running out of magic acts.

    Tax inversions, wow, they sound so terribly clever don’t they? But does anyone seriously think that a multinational company based in the US doesn’t pay income tax in foreign jurisdictions where they operate and earn income? What a joke. Hasn’t anyone heard of tax treaties?

    They sure as hell DO pay tax, just like a foreign company pays US income tax on income earned in its operations on American soil.

    Yet the full of shit business press and politician class is having a scream-fest. The rules are getting a revamp to stop these dastardly relocations.

    If companies relocating to foreign climes were SO terribly important, why didn’t the political class act to stop the relocation of factories overseas? Where a company is domiciled is small potatoes in economic and fiscal terms compared to those tens of thousands of factories and millions of jobs.

    But it doesn’t matter. It’s over and done. What’s left isn’t an economy anymore, it’s a state of utter bullshit run by liars and thieves.

    • elysianfield September 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm #

      You well understand the current dynamic, and speak the unalloyed truth…I have no argument with anything you just wrote. The wealth of a nation is a population of consumers willing and able to spend…the US population is always willing, but not currently able….

  102. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 1:03 pm #

    The United States does not seem to be on the verge of a collapse or even close to saying goodbye to normal. Unemployment went down again and the private sector is still adding jobs. No need to look to BLS or government statistics. It seems the private sector has computers (in ADP) that actually track how many new paychecks are cut. Amazing!

    Obama’s has brought the unemployment rate to half Bush’s rate. Doesn’t matter if you think the real unemployment rate is 10 times higher. Obama has brought it down by half, using the same criteria used by Bush to measure unemployment. Economists expect that the government’s latest employment report due out Friday will show the addition of 207,500 jobs in August and a lower unemployment rate of 5.2 percent from 5.3 percent, according to FactSet.

    Hiring at that pace suggests the U.S. economy has been insulated from uncertainty about China’s financial health, a Canadian economy that just slid into recession, a struggling Europe and the stock market sell-off of the past month.

    A private sector jobs survey released Wednesday indicated that employers have weathered the global turmoil and kept hiring in August.

    Payroll processor ADP said that businesses added 190,000 jobs last month. This marks an increase from 177,000 in July.

    Say hello to the new normal: 65 consecutive months of private sector job growth, with 12.8 million new jobs added.

    You can see it here:


    That graph puts the lie to all the CFN hysteria about saying goodbye to normal. Normal is good. Normal is here to stay… at least as long as we have Obama’s enlightened economic leadership.

    • elysianfield September 3, 2015 at 2:57 pm #

      “Payroll processor ADP said that businesses added 190,000 jobs last month. This marks an increase from 177,000 in July.”

      I believe I’ve referenced this before, but will say it again…it requires 200,000 jobs created every month to absorb new people entering the job market. I’d sooner embrace the “truths” that the Mercedes is paid for, and the check is in the mail, rather than the current unemployment stats…as far as “I won’t c** in your mouth…I will NEVER trust that one…again.

      • wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm #

        Elysianfield, I believe you are mistaken. The number of jobs needed each month to absorb population-growth-driven expansion of the labor force is now around 90,000. It used to be about 130,000, but has dropped due to aging of baby boomers.

  103. FincaInTheMountains September 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm #

    Since the days of Hannibal Europe did not experience such invasion from Libyan shores as in recent weeks and months.

    No one can say how many asylum seekers from the former Yugoslavia and a divided Syria are now in the Serbian forests on the border with Macedonia. Now 6-7 thousand people daily cross this border heading towards Germany.

    Border guards are extremely happy: take 5 euros from every illegal immigrant and pass’em on. The way is clear …

    Whole countries are being turned into stateless territory, with destroyed traditional social ties, broken fragile peace between Muslims and Christians.

    Within the Muslim Ummah tacit truce between traditionalists and supporters of modernization has also collapsed.

    In countries mangled like anthills by American intervention, nationalists and extremists of all stripes have access to weapons. Operating in a political vacuum, formed during the wars, “Arab Spring”, and similar disasters, they in many places seized power, or what remained of it.

    The cold dispassion with which overseas Atlantic ally views Europe’s troubles, speaks volumes. While the numbers of refugees and migrants are in the hundreds of thousands, it means an increase in social tensions in Europe and the collapse of European politicians, who agreed with the American intervention in countries where the immigrants are coming from.

    When the expense of disadvantaged people storming Europe, will go to millions, it would mark the collapse of European civilization.

    This has already happened in history. Great Migration, which began in II-III centuries, destroyed Rome and its ancient culture. Then came the era of the centuries-old stagnation of the West.

    Are we witnessing new edition of Europe’s “Dark Ages”?


  104. barbisbest September 3, 2015 at 3:01 pm #

    The seeds of today’s mega-crises are rooted in the soil of our very minds. We must look not to the stars or any cruel external arbiter of destiny, we must look deeply into ourselves. For we, and we alone, are the cause of our looming misfortunes. Yes, we made our choices, we’ll lay in our beds soon.

    Reality is very complex, our minds are memetically limited, and we process information serially, as well as rather slowly. Add to that, the human species is physiologically programmed to think short term.

    Stop thinking logically and analytically for a while and try to think holistically. (good luck with this)

    • Janos Skorenzy September 3, 2015 at 3:16 pm #

      Holistic thinking: the ability to integrate all the serial chains of logic and use them instantaneously, applying them to one point, problem, or issue. Are you not confusing this with woman’s intuition (so called)?

  105. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm #

    “it requires 200,000 jobs created every month to absorb new people entering the job market.” –Elysianfield

    Elysianfield, I believe you are mistaken. The number of jobs needed each month to absorb population-growth-driven expansion of the labor force is now around 90,000. It used to be about 130,000, but has dropped due to aging of baby boomers.

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    • elysianfield September 3, 2015 at 6:19 pm #

      Yes, I may be. I have heard, relatively often, the 200K figure used by various talking heads on Bloomberg, and other financial channels. A quick Google shows numbers all over the map, from the 90K you quote to 150K, M/L. These figures represent the number of 16 year olds, non-institutionalized, entering the job market each month. I don’t know if it covers immegrants, illegal or otherwise. I do know that the government, and the financial sector, has a vested interests in the Jobs numbers being warm and fuzzy, and this makes them a bit suspect….

      • elysianfield September 6, 2015 at 11:05 am #

        As a final note, the US census Bureau lists the number of 16 year olds projected in 2015 as just under 4 million…providing an average of 330 thousand 16 year olds “arriving” each month of the year…200K does sound plausible for those entering the jobs market each month.

  106. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 9:51 pm #

    Elysianfield, you say: “These figures represent the number of 16 year olds, non-institutionalized…” and therein lies the problem.

    Why should the unemployment rate include 16-year-olds who are unable to work because they are full-time high school students?

    Unemployment should include those who are able (not disabled, not institutionalized, not military in Afghanistan, not full-time students, not retired, not infants, etc.) … It should only include those of working age who have tried to find work and have been unable to find work. Otherwise, Bloomberg, Therian, et al. are just distorting the numbers for political ends.

    • elysianfield September 4, 2015 at 10:08 am #


      The using of non-institutionalized 16 year olds coming to thieir “majority” is the metric used to generate that monthly figure by the government. I’m sure there are other methods…but this is the one employed. Using statistics for political ends? SHOCKING!

  107. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 10:18 pm #

    “President Obama will go down in history as an extraordinary president, probably a great one. He will have done this in an era that doesn’t aggrandize leaders and presidents, but shrinks them. All presidents have had profound opposition, vicious enemies and colossal failures. A few were beloved and others deeply respected in their day, but none in the modern era and certainly not Obama.

    Why? Marcus Aurelius said, “Man is puny in the face of destiny.” If the stoic king were writing about modern, democratic sovereigns, he might say, “Kings are puny in a world blind to destiny, a world seen through the sacred screens of televisions and computers that can view only the puny.”

    Many presidents fared better in history than in office. But it would be a morale booster and a sign of civic maturity if more Americans appreciated what an exceptional president they have right now. It could be a long wait for the next one.

    One can hate Democrats, disagree with Obama on big issues, dislike his style or be disappointed the excitement of his election didn’t last. But his accomplishments, ambitious goals, dignity and honesty under tough circumstances demand admiration and appreciation.

    This is, of course, perverse liberal-media propaganda to conservative Obama-haters. It’s wobbly centrism to a left-flank frustrated Obama hasn’t done more for them. And it’s naïve hot air to Washington’s political clans that think Obama doesn’t play the game well.

    Changing minds with a keypad is a fool’s errand; I’m surely a fool, but not on that count. I simply offer some points for the open-minded to ponder.

    1. The Iran deal: Time will reveal if the deal worked, not today’s talking/tweeting heads. What cannot be in dispute is this was a momentous initiative, a gutsy political risk, a diplomatic success and, potentially, a giant step in defusing a long-ticking time bomb.

    2. Obamacare: In the midst of the worst economy since the Great Depression, Obama delivered one of the most important domestic programs since the New Deal. Only LBJ’s Great Society laws compare. Obamacare has survived two challenges in the Supreme Court and constant, kabuki-style congressional votes to repeal. It’s now off life support. Key goals are being met. It will evolve and improve. One day it will be taken for granted and people will say, “Keep the government out of my Obamacare.”

    3. The financial meltdown: Obama inherited it, then managed the recovery to the degree possible in the global economy. The recovery has been steady, though slow. The worst-case predictions didn’t happen. He began to reverse the deregulation of the financial industry. He delivered a significant Asian trade deal. Yet few give Obama much credit.

    4. The First: Becoming the first black president is itself an epic triumph. Obama doesn’t get much good will for that any more. We properly canonize Rosa Parks, Jackie Robinson and Martin Luther King. Of Obama, we ask, “What have you done for me lately?” That’s fair, he’s president. He doesn’t ask for credit for being the first black one. He and his family are at risk every day and we take their courage for granted.

    5. Dignity and honesty: Obama’s administration has been as free of corruption and, well, peccadillo as any in memory. It’s the first two-term presidency not to be derailed by scandal since Eisenhower. A few will stay in paranoid lather about Benghazi or Fast and Furious, but those pseudo-scandals don’t compare to Watergate, Iran-Contra, Bill Clinton’s carnal antics or the phony evidence used to justify attacking Iraq.

    Obama has weathered a recession, invisible racism, a reckless Republican Congress, a lily-livered Democratic Party, attacks from the richest pressure groups ever (Super PACs) and a 24/7, ADHD press corps under existential pressure to deliver page views and Nielsen ratings. He has done it with the “No Drama Obama” style that befits the office.

    Obama isn’t a performer like Reagan or a preacher like Clinton. He’s head over heart, cool over warm. Yet he did his pastoral duties after Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon and Charleston. He wasn’t a catalyst for same-sex marriage, but nourished the culture that made it possible.

    It is harder than ever to see the big canvas and thus find fresh perspectives. We view current events as puny rivers of Tweets, not grand chapters in the ultimate story — history.

    In that longer view, we should feel well served. So, Mr. President, on behalf of an ungrateful nation, thank you.” –Dick Meyer

  108. wpa--ccc September 3, 2015 at 10:25 pm #

    If a tree falls in the forest, and FoxNews isn’t there to cover it, is it still Obama’s fault?

  109. wpa--ccc September 4, 2015 at 12:30 am #

    Saying goodbye to normal means saying goodbye to normal political process.

    “it’s not hard to imagine a world where Trump loses the primary, but “the voters” still want him to run. What stops Trump from citing imagined “disrespect” and starting a third-party campaign? Nothing. The Republican Party can’t stop him, and it can’t sanction him. The party thinks it has power over him, but it doesn’t.

    If anything, the loyalty pledge enhances his platform. He can run his campaign—touting Social Security and condemning illegal immigration—and when he loses the nomination, he’ll have the audience and support he needs to make an independent run. Whether Priebus knows it or not, he’s been played, and it’s going to hurt.” –Jamelle Bouie

  110. FincaInTheMountains September 4, 2015 at 4:28 am #

    The house divided

    Some experts say that at the end of the celebration of the 70th anniversary of victory in World War II in Moscow and Beijing humanity – if not de jure, but de facto – has divided into two camps.

    In the first are the United States and its allies – the so-called “collective West”, as well as their dependent territories: colonies, semi-colonies and dominions.

    The second – the rest of the world, which today is united around the Sino-Russian strategic alliance, that formally started on May 9 in Moscow’s Red Square, and finally fixed on September 3 in Tiananmen Square (Gate of Heavenly Peace) in Beijing.

    It would seem that no one in the West accuses China of aggression against its neighbors and there is not a regime of sanctions, as has been done in relation to Russia. Why, then, none of the leaders of the Western world, except for willful Czech President Milos Zeman, came to Beijing? What kind of strange “taboo”?

    And why arrived there almost all the leaders of the non-Western world? The answer is simple and clear: these are the consequences of geo-strategic choice, which each State and international organization had to make. That is to say, to cross the Rubicon or remain on the other side.

    Indeed, we can say that Moscow and Beijing have very clearly defined their roles in the confrontation with the World parasites that use the United States as the main base of its influence in the world.

    Moscow carries out military and political project to ensure China’s economic, China – is ready, if necessary, extend its financial and economic arm to Russia. Therefore, Russia is at war with the United States in the military-political sphere and China – in financial and economic.


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  111. FincaInTheMountains September 4, 2015 at 5:05 am #

    The Europe should’ve listened to Moammar Gadhafi

    Why before the flow of refugees was not so noticeable in Europe? The New York Times admits, before Africans in search of work went into Libya. Today this, as it turns out, prosperous country as a gateway to Europe, was smashed to smithereens. Gateway disappeared.

    In Libya of Moammar Gadhafi so many migrant workers have worked – immigrants from African and Arab countries, so when in Tripoli fighting broke out the city closed all the hotels – the staff simply fled.

    Closed shops and stores, stopped garbage collection and cleaning of the roads, stopped giant construction sites. So there are still empty, unfinished towns in the vicinity of Benghazi and Tripoli. Rusting rails of abandoned high-speed train line.

    On the future challenges the Colonel warned summit participants “Africa – EU” in December 2010. He said that Libya was no longer going to act as a ‘European coastguard’ for free. And required the EU to pay his country five billion Euros to create a migration service, refugee camps, and additional jobs, purchase of fast patrol boats and radar. Otherwise, as stated by Gaddafi, “under the pressure of millions of Muslim migrants Europe will turn into Africa.”

    The EU called the request excessive and agreed to allocate a total of 50 million Euros. Someday in the future. Many now regret that five years ago they did not take the warning of the Colonel seriously.

  112. BackRowHeckler September 4, 2015 at 7:07 am #

    Hey Malth, to pick up an earlier thread, I don’t have a ‘love for Israel’.

    I just think its a decent western country, a Democracy (using ‘western’ in a way I’d describe Australia and New Zealand as well) and a good ally of the United States. Also, I can’t see Israel being blamed for everything that has gone wrong with the world, as sometimes happens on this site.

    The ladies at ‘Code Pink’ are the worst, hammering Israel on every tweet, post and demonstration. Is Code Pink the kind of organization you want to be aligned with?

    Also, why the rancor?


    • malthuss September 4, 2015 at 10:49 am #

      You can have any opinion you want.
      I was asking Janos for clarification.
      there was no intended attack on you.

      I see Israel as an example of whats wrong.
      From AIPAC to the 300? whore houses in Tel Aviv, trafficking in Christian sex slaves.
      I see Israel as the biggest problem country on the planet.
      Israel will fight to the last christian soldier.

      • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 2:50 pm #

        See his posts on Sep 2, at 2:36 and 2:44. Here and also in other places, he is trying to develop a continuity between Hitler’s Germany and Merkel’s – as if Hitler would have turned Germany and Europe over to Islam. His logic is utterly paltry, that Germany was friendly with Islam and even employed a division or two of Muslim soldiers. I found this offensive to the max. I mean if you want to criticize and/or hate us, fine. But do it for what we are, not for what we aren’t. Merkel hates National Socialists, and we hate her. Obviously none of the Fascists would turn Europe over to Islam or Black Africa. It’s the very antithesis of all we hold sacred. So he is impugning my character with his vile stupidity.

        And yes, of course he is a huge fan of Israel and the Jews. Like many Conservatives, he loves that they ARE FOR THEMSELVES – like we used to be. America is failed state after all. So I merely ask him why not be for Ourselves again – but you see, that is Fascism and we can’t have that. So he goes around in this ridiculous circle – one that Pat Buchanan has broken out of. That’s what started all this – the discussion of his book “The Unnecessary War”. The Likud Party is straight up Fascism. And the rest of them tend to be in the neighborhood. So if they can be for themselves, why can’t we? But to realize this simple fact, he’d have to let go of the central Myth of his life: America is the absolute Good Guy (now replaced by Israel) with the epitome of that the battle against Evil (as represented by Hitler’s Germany) in WW2.

        Unlike Hitler, who wanted Fascism for all of Europe and hoped for alliances with such states, the Jews only want their Nation to be for itself. They hate Fascism for others. Ideally and Ultimately, they wish to be the ONLY real Nation.

        And of course then, when confronted with this, he gets really strange in the classic American way of denying there is a problem, denying what he just said (in this case about Israel), saying I need to get a sense of humor, it’s all a joke, etc. In fact, part of him at least obviously loves that Germany is going down. And he threw this in my face as mockery. And then he wonders why I got upset. Of course as a regular American “guy”, he has zero capacity for introspection and can’t see this. And in the rare chance that he can, he wont ever admit it. It’s all because I don’t have a sense of humor you see. Well I make no apologies, I see the destruction of Germany and the rest of Europe as a tragedy, one that stems from the defeat of Fascism in Europe. They would have never done this in a million years.

        Fanatical? What great thing is ever done without fanaticism? Where the founders of Israel fanatical? Are the Jews fanatical about the survival of their race? If we are going to survive now, we must become no less so. Were the Nazis fanatical? How could they not be? They had Stalin right next door and had seen what they were doing. They knew about the plans to miscegenate the White Race out of existence.

      • BackRowHeckler September 4, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

        We’ll have to respectfully disagree on that last point, Malthus.

        I can’t understand why you would feel that way.


        • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 10:31 am #

          From AIPAC to the 300? whore houses in Tel Aviv, trafficking in Christian sex slaves.
          Dual citizenship.The Sampson Option.

          Do you deny these things?

  113. FincaInTheMountains September 4, 2015 at 8:07 am #

    The Gloom and the Doom by Chipstone

    In fact, Europe is not left to chance for salvation. The choices are very bad and cruel. There are only three options:

    The first – fully go down under the United States and then the United States may contribute to the elimination of the problem of refugees. By force. But this means the actual colonial status and the military occupation, has no chance of revival.

    The second – to die in the chaos of civil conflicts, massacres on the streets. The current Euro Townee could not be worse for self-defense. The probability of complete Islamization of Europe, turning it into a gangster Caliphate is more than real.

    The third – setting across Europe harsh dictatorship of a fascist type. But this is possible only under the leadership of Germany. In essence a creation of the Fourth Reich. This can save Europe, although it will turn to big problems in the not so distant future.

    What will the Europe choose, it is not yet clear. And can it make informed choices at all? Until that happens looks like a panicked “floating down the current”. This automatically leads to the selection number two.

    Will the fall of Europe save the United States? No. Save US is no longer possible. But to win a little time for the evacuation of the powerful is quite possible. About a year, two at the max.

  114. Cold N. Holefield September 4, 2015 at 9:51 am #

    If a tree falls in the forest, and FoxNews isn’t there to cover it, is it still Obama’s fault?

    According to CNN, it’s White people’s fault. Always. Especially poor White people. White people like Jon Stewart get a pass because they’re funny and Jewish and multi-millionaires.

    Maybe you can start a new movement to rival the #BlackLivesMatter movement. You can call it #TreesLIvesMatter, but I’m thinking your friends who want to turn pigs into bacon and fry the police won’t like you stealing their revolutionary thunder. The Elite want their race war, and by golly they just may get it at this rate if high fructose corn syrup keeps experiencing its significant decline in popularity.

  115. wpa--ccc September 4, 2015 at 11:27 am #

    brh was right when he said it looked like this would be a hot summer. Between the start of Memorial Day Weekend and August 28, an estimated 3,702 people were killed by guns in America. Another 8,153 were wounded. There were killings in parks, movie theatres, churches, homes…

    Absolute confiscation of all privately owned guns, and elimination of the second amendment, is sounding sweeter by the minute. This summer 3,702 people were killed by guns in America. Another 8,153 were wounded.

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    • elysianfield September 4, 2015 at 4:30 pm #

      “Absolute confiscation of all privately owned guns, and elimination of the second amendment, is sounding sweeter by the minute”

      As Janos has said…”Ah Devil…you have shown yourself!”

      The weak and confused will be quick to give up all freedoms for a promise of security… To assume that the confiscation of all guns would result in increased civility/safety in this country is akin to the statement…”If we all ran around naked there would be no wars, because there would be no place to pin the medals….”
      Wpac, I would opine that you have not suffered physical cruelty at the hands of strangers….

    • BackRowHeckler September 4, 2015 at 5:20 pm #

      How many are killed in automobile wrecks, WPA?

      I thinks the number is about 115 per day, every day of the year, tho it varies.

      Guns were severely restricted in CT, the shootings in cities continues, but there also has been an uptick in stabbings and arson murder.

      People will always find a way to kill each other if that’s what they want to do.

      The question is, why so much killing in the ghetto?


      • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 10:32 am #

        Id guess 50,000 deaths [many caused by immigrants].

        And many serious injuries.

        What about motorcycles?

    • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 8:38 pm #

      It is a law of nature, common to all mankind, which time shall neither annul nor destroy, that those who have greater strength and power shall bear rule over those who have less.
      — Dionysius

  116. nsa September 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm #

    Compare the magnificent spirit of the Roman citizenry under their republican form of governance to the shallow and degenerate modern western culture. The anniversary of the Battle of Cannae (Aug.216 BC) passed with no mention anywhere, yet it is still an object lesson for all free people. Hannibal thoroughly destroyed the Roman legions at Cannae and expected the Romans to sue for peace on his terms. However, he did not factor in the Roman spirit…they would yield but they would never surrender….ever. So the Second Punic War continued for many years. Hannibal and his mercenary army roamed the Roman countryside for ten years….burning, pillaging, raping, murdering, plundering but always willing to settle on generous terms. The Romans refused to confront the invading army, simply following it around at a safe distance…..and refused to settle on any terms. Hannibal even marched his army up to the gates of Rome itself….still the beleaguered Romans refused to fight or to settle. Disease and skirmishing took their toll on the Carthaginian army, and finally Hannibal just gave up and returned home to North Africa. Immediately, the Romans set to plotting their revenge….the Third and final Punic War…in which the Romans sacked the city of Carthage, murdered all its citizens, raised it to the ground, and salted the earth so nothing would grow there ever again. To this day, there is NO trace of the great civilization that was Carthage…..such was the spirit of the Roman people under republican governance…prior to the Caesars and empire.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 2:56 pm #

      Well said. One of my professors contrasted the Roman reaction to that of the Greeks. After a Roman general suffered a huge loss, the Council listened and conferred and then told him, “Try again”. The Greeks would have taken his head.

      Hannibal expected the City States to rise for him against the hated Rome. But instead they turned against him as one. Their response was far superior to the squabbling Greeks when faced with the Persians or the Macedonians.

      • elysianfield September 4, 2015 at 4:40 pm #

        “…One of my professors”…. Hmm, thought you said you were largely “self taught”. Jesuits?

        • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 6:25 pm #

          College mostly gets in the way of intellectual development. Obviously there are a few exceptions here and there.

        • sprawlcapital September 4, 2015 at 11:23 pm #


          “…One of my professors”…. Hmm, thought you said you were largely “self taught”. Jesuits?

          I have heard that a Jesuit never loses an argument.

          • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 10:34 am #

            A bit of salacious gossip.

            I knew some fellows who went to a [now defunct] Jesuit, all male, Prep school.

            The boys were forced to swim in the nude.

          • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 10:41 am #

            I have heard the Jesuits described as “God’ shock troops”. They are a teaching order…highly educated and trained in polemics. I have only spent a short time under their instruction, but I respect the order….

          • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 6:22 pm #


            When I was a freshman in High School, we had a coach that made us SHOWER in the nude…. I still remember him snarling…”Keep that Dial under your arms!” Horrible experience, and I am scarred to this day….

      • Frankiti September 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm #

        Certain are you? Hannibal wheeled around the peninsula for 15 years… terrorizing and burning like a Barcid Sherman. He did not retreat on account of Rome’s collective military skills, but on account of Carthage’s reluctance to shift commitments from Iberia where a Barca brother’s death caused Hamilcar’s life-mission to perish.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 6:28 pm #

          Hannibal was Freud’s hero. As a fellow Semite, he hated the fact that the Semites did not win control over Europe. He vowed to take up the battle again. That’s what psychoanalysis was really all about: to make Europe lose faith and confidence in itself. Psychological warfare – much like the IDF taking over a Palestinian station and broadcasting pornography.

          • Frankiti September 4, 2015 at 7:04 pm #

            Yes, the price of the tea in China has gone up…

          • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 9:56 pm #

            You just haven’t found the right Church yet. Try this one:


  117. Cold N. Holefield September 4, 2015 at 12:36 pm #

    This summer 3,702 people were killed by guns in America. Another 8,153 were wounded.

    Is that all? At this rate the world will never depopulate to less than 500 million. Way to ruin Ted Turner’s day.

    Can you give a further breakdown of those figures demographically? How many of the guns involved were possessed illegally? What was the race and gender of the victims and the perps. Let’s drill into those numbers, wpa.

    Also, if you’re serious about confiscating guns, do you understand what that would entail to pry said guns from the hands of criminals? There would be search and seizure operations all day every day for several years or more in the inner cities. How would #BlackLivesMatter feel about that? More than likely, they would protest it because only criminals should be allowed to possess guns using their illogic.

    • Frankiti September 4, 2015 at 7:10 pm #

      Ted Turner, more money than sense… marries and divorces Jane Fonda and donates a billion clams to… the UN. His day was ruined ages ago.

      • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 10:36 am #

        Gawd. Thats even more than was wasted by Zuckerberg on Newarks Black schools.

  118. FincaInTheMountains September 4, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

    In recent years, political science symposiums, forums often repeated phrase “controlled chaos.”

    This theory, which was supposedly developed by the University of California, Berkeley and is associated with the new ideas of chaos in the world and the possibility to manage that exploded, devoid of structure world. Now, on example of modern Europe, we understand what a controlled chaos is.

    At first, the Americans blew up few demographic bombs in North Africa. They destroyed existing rigid governing structures in Libya, Iraq, and Syria. And these countries are deprived of their shells, their internal supports, turned to mush-n-jelly, filled with burns, hatred, struggle and pain.

    Distraught and turbulent world of chaos prevailing throughout North Africa, through skilled subtle effect was sent across the Mediterranean.

    Entire corporations operating on the Western money, the CIA money are engaged in ferrying people to European shores. Piers are constructed; ships and guides are hired who lead the crowd across the sea to Europe.

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen. Do you know now what controlled chaos is?

  119. wpa--ccc September 4, 2015 at 1:08 pm #

    “do you understand what that would entail to pry said guns from the hands of criminals?” — Cold

    There you go… depopulation problem solved.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 7:55 pm #

      A million deaths are not enough for Yueh.

  120. FincaInTheMountains September 4, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

    It all started with the pressure on Greece and provocations through it a pan-European debt crisis.

    To understand who was behind it, is very simple, even without referring to the recent history of the debt problems of Greece, with the active assistance by Goldman Sachs.

    Just look where former finance minister of Greece found refuge: a teaching position in the United States.

    But by some miracle and a huge pressure from Germany, the crisis was if not stopped, but at least delayed by eliminating its current urgency.

    Germany found the strength not to bend and not to agree to a partial write-off of debts that threatened the collapse of the entire European debt market. Moreover, Germany was able to insist on its own and if partially, but to convert the debt into a relatively decent property – a number of Greek uninhabited islands.

    Muting the Greek crisis has already led to the fact that the first country to default on its debt happened in the area of responsibility of the United States: Puerto Rico, under the direct protectorate of the US.

    And then they took up on Europe with a vengeance. The refugee problem has been preparing for a long time and thoroughly.

    It would not be an exaggeration to say that the whole of the Arab Spring, the war in Libya and Syria, one of the main objectives had been refugee invasion of yet prosperous Europe.

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    • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 10:46 am #

      Yanos V was a professor of “International Economics” at the University of Texas (Austin) before he took the job as Finance Minister of Greece”…used to watch him being interviewed on RT….

  121. Janos Skorenzy September 4, 2015 at 3:25 pm #


    Bravo Kim Davis. Attn Barb. This is the woman to model yourself after – not the two fat old ladies who want to get “married”.

    • malthuss September 4, 2015 at 5:09 pm #

      In an effort to get the first worlders to feel yet more Guilt [capital ‘G’]
      news across the world is of the drown child. As if anyone other than the childs keepers are at fault.

    • Frankiti September 4, 2015 at 5:10 pm #

      Kim Davis, the whiskey-tango thrice married religious nut. All middle eastern religions are crazy… and christianity is one nutty middle eastern religion.

      • malthuss September 4, 2015 at 8:30 pm #

        I knew a Gay man [I assume he is ‘for’ gay marriage] who boasted of his exploits at a bath house. Many partners in a nite.

        Read ‘The Dark Side of Man’ and get back to us. He goes into promiscuity among Gays.

      • barbisbest September 5, 2015 at 10:20 am #

        I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
        There was something so pleasant about that place.
        Even your emotions had an echo
        In so much space

        And when you’re out there
        Without care,
        Yeah, I was out of touch
        But it wasn’t because I didn’t know enough

        Does that make me crazy?
        Does that make me crazy?
        Does that make me crazy?

        And I hope that you are having the time of your life
        But think twice, that’s my only advice

        Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are,
        Ha ha ha bless your soul
        You really think you’re in control

        Well, I think you’re crazy
        I think you’re crazy
        I think you’re crazy
        Just like me

        My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
        And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
        Ever since I was little, ever since I was little it looked like fun
        And it’s no coincidence I’ve come
        And I can die when I’m done

        Maybe I’m crazy
        Maybe you’re crazy
        Maybe we’re crazy

        Uh, uh

  122. lou September 4, 2015 at 4:43 pm #

    “Get your shit together locally, and do it in place that has some prospect for keeping on: a small town somewhere food can be grown and especially places near the inland waterways where some kind of commercial exchange might continue in the absence of the trucking industry.”

    So. How to make the Mississippian cypress dugout canoe (cayuco)
    culture weld with the French linear ag field system while keeping a wary eye upon the mound building, campesino enslaving chiefs at Cahokia. You know just your native watchful eye on the development of hierarchy, the plantation, domestication and alienation from the earth. I mean they is seriously cutting into my hunting and fishing time with all the basket carrying and corn festivals — human sacrifices included — with enticements of deer flesh and hides and “give away, two for the price of one” St. Francois igneous stone axes and Mill Creek Chert hoes (to create more corn for the chief’s bins). Hell you might even get to build a wall. No. No! Noah wish for a flood. Big flood! Good upstream fishing and hunting to be had. Hickory nut gathering too. Hearth mates glow gold red and then, reincarnation to prairie swallow. Noah’s ark. Without the construction and development. Get it? You with the eyes on the clusterfuck. Eyes to the fall. Keep your back straight, tight with weave,
    strong to the strain, the big strain on earth. Call it out for the cluster fuck it is. Its on our list.

    Damn you Kunstler for making me think up shit like this. Just thought I’d try to flesh out the thought a bit. Antler tune up on Burlington chert. Wild assed men home to wild. You just can’t help but get the heart of a boy just thinking about it. Rewilding and rejuvenating.

    How do we rewild half of the earth in a clusterfucked climate of — sacrificing the whole earth for the growth of man? In a climate of — fucking Malthus was full of shit. In a climate of — I mean see how far we came since Erhlich lit his fuse on a dud population bomb? Fuck, it’ll all be all right. You just wait and see.

    Oh shit.

    But seriously, good thought puzzle for you — how could we rewild half the earth without being shot down in killing fields for having such a cherry red, redistributionist notion. Freaking Cambodian Sandinistas. Oh shit.
    They got guns but we got rocks! Oh shit. Noah pray for flood.

    But seriously, how could mankind rewild half the earth? In an overpopulated and underemployed (heavily by the young) planet what other enterprise could possibly employ as many people as could native plant nurseries and native ecosystem restoration? Wetland reconstructions being a top priority. So, right there. Big conflict. Tiles and ditches drain the corn lands. Big conflict with beef and ethanol feeding bellies and carburetors in Kunstler’s suburbia. Give us XL and we’ll give up a hundred acre patch for your freaking cherry red, earth worshipping, hair hanging down to your hippy ass, wetland. Long road to 50%. Oh shit!

    Anyway, pass it on. Carve it in stone.

    • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 10:55 am #

      “fucking Malthus was full of shit. In a climate of — I mean see how far we came since Erhlich lit his fuse on a dud population bomb? Fuck, it’ll all be all right. You just wait and see.”

      The problem isn’t growing enough food for the Malthusian event, it’s providing the wherewithal for the teeming billions to AFFORD to purchase said food…no jobs, no money no food.

      • lou September 5, 2015 at 11:28 am #

        Considering the rate we are losing topsoil — exceedingly fast — and the fact that most industrial ag production is entirely dependent on oil production, then the problem is exactly growing enough food. We cannot sustain our current production for 7 billion let alone feed another couple billion. Throw in all the climate disruptions including drought and torrential rains (we had 18 inches of rain here in central IL in June!) and you got yourself a real case of clusterfuck in sustaining the ag industrial base. By the way, you haven’t heard much news about the immense quantities of capital and resources that flowed down Midwest rivers to the Gulf of Mexico this summer have you?

        Just in case you may have misinterpreted my writing, I believe firmly that Malthus was absolutely right as was Paul Ehrlich. We ain’t gonna be whistling past Malthus’ grave too much longer no matter how much the Monsanto, ADM and Farm Bureau cornucopians hype our ability to grow 300 bushel/acre of corn forever.

        • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 6:27 pm #

          We are in agreement.

  123. hmuller September 4, 2015 at 7:56 pm #

    Sometimes JHK sounds like the Georgia Guidestones. Sure, it’s a good thing to kill off 7 billion people so the 500 million survivors can live like medieval serfs serving the master tribe.

  124. sprawlcapital September 4, 2015 at 10:59 pm #


    “Prepare to get smaller and more local!”

    … and, unfortunately, much less (by orders of magnitude) efficient…
    Here’s an example of the results of efficiency in Iowa’s corporate-controlled industrial food production system (which does not deserve to be called agriculture):

    Concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) are very efficient at providing large amounts of money to large corporations. They also produce large amounts of manure, which is collected in lagoons or in underground pits. The animals are confined in large buildings, many of which have a manure pit beneath them.

    It was reported several weeks ago that, at a hog CAFO in Iowa, a father and son died in a manure pit. The son climbed down into the pit to retrieve an item that had been dropped there. He was overcome by the gases generated by the decomposing manure. The young man’s father then climbed down the ladder into the pit and started to carry his son out, but was himself overcome by the fumes.

    It was not immediately reported whether the two deaths were the result of inhalation of manure gases, or from drowning in hog manure.

    Decades ago, manure pits at hog farms did not exist. Then, hog farms were truly family operations, with typically 50 to 100 hogs. Now CAFOs are corporate-controlled and often house 1000 or more hogs.

    All this is the result of what some call efficiency.

    • beantownbill. September 4, 2015 at 11:39 pm #

      Hmmm. Doesn’t this sound like another organization well-known in the 20th century for its obsessive efficiency, albeit with managing the flow of human beings rather than animals? A reasonable amount of efficiency is generally positive, but only within limits.

    • FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 4:07 am #

      I do not have enough experience to tell you what should be the concentration of initial capital – land, infrastructure, working capital – be enough to make agricultural business efficient enough to reasonably well compensate the owner for his efforts. But don’t expect it to be in tens of thousands of dollars. Expect it to be in the range of few million dollars at current prices.

    • elysianfield September 5, 2015 at 10:59 am #

      A bit of rural wisdom…”He fell into the shitter and the hogs got him…some hogs are mean, and they will “gitcha”.

      • sprawlcapital September 6, 2015 at 7:26 pm #


        The father and son were not trampled by hogs or chewed to pieces by them–they were killed by falling into a manure pit, which pit only exists because greedy corporations have manipulated the economics of hog growing in such a way that large-scale hog confinements are necessary, You are coherent most of the time, by the way.

  125. beantownbill. September 4, 2015 at 11:52 pm #

    Tonight I’m in the mood to take no shit from the Jew haters. All such guys who post here are astoundingly, stupefyingly stupid. If brains were dynamite, you wouldn’t have enough to harm a flea.

    Now I gotta call the executive offices of the International Jewish Conspiracy to find out why I’m the only Jew that isn’t rich and powerful.

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    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 3:43 am #

      Google rules that Jews don’t control Hollywood. Feel safe now? No one is fooled by such statistical jiggery.


      What do you think of Trump? Do you think that Mr Kunstler’s light hearted call for assassination is slightly inappropriate? Didn’t he once call a lesser incident “playing with fire”?

      • beantownbill. September 5, 2015 at 9:26 am #

        The emotional part of me loves the idea that a candidate will kick ass throughout America and the world, but the reasoning part of me knows better.

      • Therian September 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm #

        What the US intelligentsia cannot stand is the idea that Trump is giving voice to a long-repressed Anglo majority which sees the damage to the country from unbridled immigration. Even liberal Democrats in my area (Palo Alto, CA and San Francisco, CA) are sick of the cultural nepotism of Chinese people who skirt the boundaries of legality to take over retirement facilities, get all manner of freebies, and take over companies via culturally biased hiring. They take advantage of the implicit only-honkie-can-be-racist guilt to bump whites out of jobs, neighborhoods, and towns.

        Liberal whites don’t seem to realize that people of just about ANY other color are looking out for their own quite assiduously. They’re committing cultural suicide and want guys like Trump to feel guilty about their platforms.

        • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm #

          Look into the number of Jewish students at Harvard: many times the number of Whites per capita. Yet the White students have better grades. Explanation? Whites have to be really, really good to get in at this point. And Jews practice ethnic nepotism with a vengeance when it comes to admissions. They love the idea of taking over the premier White Christian University and excluding Whites. Whites are the least represented group per capita. The Administration hides this of course by lumping Jews and Whites in together.

          Of course I admit that Whites from the old families might still get an easy “in” of course. An exception to the general rule.

  126. beantownbill. September 5, 2015 at 12:22 am #

    The idiot poster above who states TPTB are trying to cut down the population to 500,000,000 must have gotten really ripped off when some thief replaced his brain with a marble. He must go crazy every time he moves his head and hears that rolling sound.

    Look, short of lining up all the people in the world and shooting all but half a billion, there’s no way any group can control a population reduction down to a specific figure.. And why would TPTB want to? Growth is their paradigm -ever more money and more people to lord over. What’s the point of having Scrooge McDuck’s money bin if all the people who are left are serfs – who don’t count – and other elites who have their own similarly sized money bins? No, those in power need more and more people, not less.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 3:40 am #

      The fewer the Rulers, the more they each control and own. Why do you think Judaism seldom tried to convert people?

      • beantownbill. September 5, 2015 at 9:37 am #

        Maybe because one of the operating principles of the religion is that one should love, honor and obey God before all else, and not to force anybody to do so? Come on, Janos, I was talking about world population reduction, not lowering Jewish population.

  127. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 3:49 am #

    The very fact that the conflict between US and China has openly gone into the open phase, speaks volumes about the catastrophic situation of the world economic and financial system.

    Throughout the past decades, China was the main sponsor of the world economy, the main supplier of “real” (secured by physical assets), money and the main driver of economic growth and a guarantor of its stability.

    The confrontation began with a dramatic attempt to inflate the Chinese stock bubble for subsequent blackmail of Chinese authorities with the threat of it collapse. But China seized the initiative, accelerated the speed of collapse of its own markets, and took control of the processes occurring within it, using low prices to expel external speculators and increased the state’s share in major companies.

    But China did not limit itself only to the stock market. It launched an attack on the currency front. For many years, China has unsuccessfully sought the status of the Yuan in the currency basket of the IMF. The last attempt was a failure this summer. The main reason stated by IMF is the fact that the Yuan is too tightly pegged to the dollar, and in fact is the same, and to increase the share of the dollar in the currency basket is impractical. China understood the hint and announced a devaluation of its currency as a first step in the full separation of the Yuan from the dollar.

    Panic that immediately broke out in Europe and in the United States showed that the blow was painful and a hint was understood correctly. And whatever variety of financial analysts saying that the collapse of stock markets was triggered by the Chinese collapse, it was not.

    Markets in Europe and the United States for more than a month completely passively watched the collapse of the Chinese counterparts, continuing sluggish growth or fluctuations in levels. The collapse of these markets was followed as a reaction to de-pegging of Yuan from the dollar. This could completely transform the entire financial system; force a full re-evaluation of the market values.

    United States has attempted to use three types of leverage over China. Financial pressure (proved inefficient), destabilization of the internal situation in the country (as in “umbrella’s revolution” in Hong Kong, was ineffective as well) and military pressure. The raid of US ships in the area of the disputed islands in the South China Sea looked ridiculous.

    And the United States decided to undertake direct attacks. A series of explosions, especially in Tianjin, had become a serious allusion to the possible negative consequences of disobedience. However China this time was not scared, but showed that it too could use counter-measures. And the answer was indicatively symmetric and strictly limited.

    Chairman Xi Jinping took the opportunity to strengthen the country’s own power and sweep away the remnants of the opposition. In fact,

    China is fully consolidated before the decisive events. Recent military parade put behind all doubts in the Chinese military preparedness. Excellent training, demonstrated by the parade participants, as well as a huge number of military equipment including the modern ballistic missile leaves no doubt in the ability of China to meet any challenges.

  128. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 4:13 am #

    Despite strong denials from Moscow, Russian airborne troops are preparing to land in Syria to fight Islamic State forces.

    The surprise attack on Monday, Aug. 31, by ISIS forces on the Qadam district of southern Damascus, in which they took over parts of the district – and brought ISIS forces the closest that any Syrian anti-Assad group has ever been to the center of the Syrian capital – is expected to accelerate the Russian military intervention.

    1. On Aug. 18, six of Russia’s advanced MIG-31 Foxhound interceptor aircraft landed at the Syrian Air Force’s Mezze Airbase. The advanced jets are intended to serve as air support for the Russian units that arrive in Syria.

    2. Before the Russian planes landed in Damascus, Moscow reached an agreement with Washington for the removal of NATO’s Patriot missile batteries from Turkey.

    3. During the last week of August, a large number of Russian troops, mostly logistical teams whose job is to lay the groundwork for the arrival of the combat units, arrived in Syria.

    4. Moscow has started to supply Damascus with satellite imagery of the ground situation on the different fronts.


  129. barbisbest September 5, 2015 at 9:51 am #

    The Global Brain Awakens by Peter Russell (poor guy, my friend tells me he went through the bombing of London as a small child) and James Howard Kunstler’s The Long Emergency are, most likely, the two most important books of this century.

    that you are at an exceptional hour in a
    unique epoch,
    that you have this great happiness,
    this invaluable privilege,
    of being present at the birth of a new world.

    The Mother, Sri Aurobindo Ashram

    • barbisbest September 5, 2015 at 9:58 am #

      Or with Fincaln’s post just above mine, maybe not. Maybe just Adios Muchachos.

      And this, for any of those who think it may be for them…

      Many people believe they are thinking, when in fact they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

  130. barbisbest September 5, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    Way to speak up Bean Town Bill. I love it! ATTN : Janos – I will never model myself after Kim Davis or anyone else!!!! Ever. People are free in this country. Free to love who they want, marry who they want. period. That’s what my people fought for!

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    • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 10:41 am #

      Free is just a word. Like ‘equality’. Equality is a social construct.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm #

      You are just like millions of silly new age White women. Why not be a maverick like Kim Davis? A real Social Justice Warrior.

  131. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 11:23 am #

    There is polio outbreak in Ukraine caused by the collapse of the country’s system of epidemiological security, which for the sake of political interests was brought to the state of Africa.

    Last cases of polio were registered in USSR in the 1950s.

  132. wpa--ccc September 5, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    “Way to speak up Bean Town Bill. I love it!” –barbisbest


    Ditto. I like Jews and all things Jewish. The world is unmeasurably better because of Jewish scientific/cultural contributions.

    To learn more about Jews I am listening to a new podcast called UNORTHODOX: JEWS (& FRIENDS) TALK NEWS, ARTS, & OTHER STUFF.


    “Unorthodox, Tablet’s newest podcast, is part of Slate’s Panoplynetwork. Unorthodox is a smart, fresh, fun take on Jewish news and culture.”

    My love of Jews does not conflict with my love of Palestinians. My love of Jews does not mean I believe in their Old Testament God… who is meaner than my uncle. My love of Jews does not mean I agree with all policies of Israel or support Zionism.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 3:01 pm #

      So in other words, you hardly like all Jews or all things Jewish.

  133. Cold N. Holefield September 5, 2015 at 1:53 pm #

    wpa, your love is like a funeral pyre. Go ahead and light Bill’s fire. I didn’t know Bill was Jewish. He never mentions it.

    Yall need to cheer up. It’s #NationalBeardDay and this weekend is the opening of the college football season. Put your feet and beard up and take a break from Collapse long enough to smell the Rose Bowl.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 3:03 pm #

      Michelle is Barack’s Beard.

    • Therian September 5, 2015 at 3:56 pm #

      Why romanticize football? It’s a game doomed to extinction because a huge number of players get Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy even if they’ve never officially had a concussion. It’s a stupid game based on who is more willing to brain or BE brained in the service of victory.

      • Buck Stud September 5, 2015 at 6:44 pm #

        How true, Therian. I was reading an article on Otis Taylor, the former great KC Chief wide receiver back when they won Super Bowl IV. In the NFL Films coverage of that game Taylor, from a sideline scene, points to his head and seems to be saying something about ‘bell being rung’. These days Taylor is basically an invalid and unable to feed himself. (But back in the day what a glorious athlete he was).

        I also agree that football will soon be a dying sport. No parent in their right mind would willingly subject their own flesh and blood to potential brain injury catastrophe in the name of a silly game would they? On the other hand, the state of Texas,Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, Alabama etc, etc,etc, just flashed into my mind so perhaps football will be around a while longer.

        But in reading some of the studies, even HS players (and younger) have evidence of damage upon brain scans.

        • sprawlcapital September 6, 2015 at 10:39 am #

          No parent in their right mind would willingly subject their own flesh and blood to potential brain injury catastrophe in the name of a silly game would they?
          High school football is child abuse. All parents, coaches, and school administrators involved in high school football should be incarcerated.

          • Therian September 6, 2015 at 11:41 am #

            Now that the data is in on this subject, I quite agree with you. PBS had a Frontline special a couple of years ago about Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. The bottom line is that there’s no longer any doubt that football is Russian Roulette. I shrink at the idea that it’s okay because the players are willing to take the risk. Most of them are kids who have no idea of the damage or who are idealistically willing to undergo it.

            Football is truly Roman and I fear that it’ll take a couple of decades for society to react to the damage these gladiators undergo.

  134. Cold N. Holefield September 5, 2015 at 1:56 pm #

    People are free in this country. Free to love who they want, marry who they want. period.

    And free to defile the planet so thoroughly that it may one day be uninhabitable. Ain’t freedom grand?

    • Therian September 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm #

      It’s hilarious to me that we’re so hung up on who we can marry or screw while our economy increasingly becomes dependent on technology companies that produce fluff garbage unnecessary for human survival and financial services companies whose soothsayers are worse than a passive index fund.

      I call the US economy the “Make Work Economy” because it’s all about self aggrandizing boosterism which has a limited shelf life before a certain just cynicism takes over. Economies not based strictly on necessity are ultimately doomed to failure.

  135. Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm #


    The Clock of Doom moves another minute towards Zero Dark Zero.

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  136. beantownbill. September 5, 2015 at 3:10 pm #

    Take heart, everybody. The world is changing, not ending.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

      Exactly Bill. And Whites will regain their freedom – and their own Nations and/or new ones. The bill comes due Bill, the bill comes due.

      • beantownbill. September 5, 2015 at 5:12 pm #

        I said change, Janos, not the SOS.

  137. Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 4:18 pm #


    Even as I said. The Evil has now reached cosmic proportions. Time for a Liberator. When he appears, follow Him as you would follow the Lord God Himself. Maybe He is – or at least his representative on Earth.

    Trump is not this One. There is far too much ambiguity and limitation in his history. But he may be one of his forerunners. Time will tell. We lose nothing by voting for him since we’ve already lost our country in essence. We can only get the gainers in other words.

    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 4:26 pm #

      Sorry – be the gainers not get.

  138. Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 4:39 pm #

    A concept is a generalization. To be against generalizations is also a generalization – one about generalizations.

    All cats are mammals is a true generalization. All cats are dogs is a false one. Get it?

    Typically Liberals love to catch over-generalizations in order to destroy all generalizations – to stop people from thinking. Then they can impose their own concepts or generalizations.

    So if someone says All Cats are Black, the Liberal points out the falsehood and triumphantly condemns generalization. Then he or she begins to implement all Cats are Dogs type policy. Anyone who objects is a “generalizer” (racist).

    The forgoing is an example of what Piaget called formal operational thinking or thinking about thinking. The lower stage is concrete operational thinking or thinking about things. If you couldn’t follow me, than you are at this stage. You will never succeed at algebra either because you’ll never really understand the concept of the variable.

  139. BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 4:54 pm #

    Here’a a question.

    In those hundreds of thousands of Muslims making the trek into the heart of Europe … are there any ISIS fighters?

    You have to hand it to the western media, the way they manipulate popular opinion. Photos of the two little Syrian boys drowned in Greece made prominent around the world, under the text its Europe’s fault; the elderly couple who got their throats slit in Italy in a home invasion by an Eritrean illegal, the same day, hardly mentioned.

    Germany and Austria have a lot of work ahead of them, what with converting thousands of Catholic and Lutheran Churches into Mosques. (France is in the process of converting 5000 Churches into Mosques already)

    Safe to say, against popular opinion, religion will be making a comeback in western and central Europe. I hope these washed out Euros enjoy the call to prayer!

    That’s how its done, folks.

    How do you like it now, Gentlemen?


    • malthuss September 5, 2015 at 7:46 pm #

      ‘ the western media’.
      And who owns the Media? Duh?

      • BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 8:02 pm #

        Who owns BBC, Malth?

        • malthuss September 6, 2015 at 8:45 pm #

          Those who demand ‘Holocaust denial’ law.

          “To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this … We all know who it is that we are not permitted to criticize”.

  140. barbisbest September 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm #

    I am anything but silly. And whether we like it or not this is a new age.
    Maybe one of the last, but it is a new one. and like I said, many people believe they are thinking, when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

    Strumming my pain with his fingers
    Singing my life with his words
    Killing me softly with his song
    Killing me softly with his song
    Telling my whole life with his words
    Killing me softly with his song

    I heard he sang a good song
    I heard he had a style
    And so I came to see him
    And listen for a while
    And there he was this young boy
    A stranger to my eyes

    Strumming my pain with his fingers
    Singing my life with his words
    Killing me softly with his song
    Killing me softly with his song
    Telling my whole life with his words
    Killing me softly with his song

    I felt all flushed with fever
    Embarrassed by the crowd
    I felt he found my letters
    And read each one out loud
    I prayed that he would finish
    But he just kept right on

    Strumming our pain with his fingers
    Singing our lives with his words
    Killing us softly with his song
    Killing us softly with his song
    Telling our whole lives with his words
    Killing us softly with his song

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    • BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 5:20 pm #

      Wait a minute, Barb.

      I thought the ‘New Age’ was back in the halcyon days of ’67?

      The Age of Aquarius, if you will (allow me)

      No? I must have been misinformed then.


    • Janos Skorenzy September 5, 2015 at 8:45 pm #

      Stop with the lyrics, silly. Just because we do it now and then is no reason for you to do it constantly. We know your mind is nothing but a collection of pop songs and slogans.

  141. BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 5:34 pm #

    At what point will this growing 3rd world mob cross the Med, occupy the little city-state of Monaco, claim it as their own? What’s going to stop them? Does Monaco have any kind of armed force, or were they counting on France or Germany to protect them. Ahem, cough, cough. Lot of wealth in Monaco, lot of treasure, just there for the taking. Nobody really attends church service in Monaco on Sundays much anymore, religion is for peasants and idiots, but the Churches are still there, ornate and beautiful; what lovely Mosques they will make, after the vestment are ripped out and the gold is looted, shipped to the ISIS ratlands on the Kings own jet; wont’ take too long to saw down those offensive crosses on the steeples and weld on some crude crescent moon, until better ones can be had.


  142. wpa--ccc September 5, 2015 at 6:24 pm #

    Q, are you watching it? Temple is giving Penn a clinic on how to play football.

  143. BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 6:26 pm #

    I’m taking a look at this vaunted EU leadership, women who look like men, and the men, superwealthy elegant queers, each of whom hold a special hatred for the ordinary people in the countries they come from, and a hatred of the Christian Church, hypercritical of Israel, jetting around the world asskissing one dictator after another, from Mugabe to Castro to the Saudi King, sneering at the United States, sucking up to Palestine, living large at public expense, this Euroscum at the top selling out their own heritage and turning over their countries to Islam.

  144. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 6:50 pm #

    Today, the standard atomic bomb can be produced by about forty countries. This prospect is definitely frightens US policy makers: the prospect of a rogue country secretly producing nuclear warhead with primitive clockwork mechanism and delivering it to the shores of United States.

    In this situation, American elites are increasingly inclined to get monopoly over some revolutionary new technologies available to control fusion reactions, as well as the production of compact high-energy accelerators and means of early warning of nuclear warheads.

    Russia is the only country that possesses such technologies today. And they are not just in blueprints but in the form of R & D carried out in part (it is, in particular, the development of fourth-generation nuclear reactor “Brest” and other projects).

    The ability of the country with “torn to shreds economy” (as claimed by Obama) to produce an intellectual product that cannot be reproduced by such a superpower like the United States, certainly, unnerves American strategists.

    It enrages and frightens at the same time, because such technology is potentially able to remotely monitor and detonate reactors of US aircraft carriers, nuclear power plants and the worst – American ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.

    In the USSR in 1986 developed the so-called BWLAP – Backward Wave Linear Accelerator for Protons. It is compact and efficient. The works were carried out by the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences as part of a beam weapon: Russian asymmetric and cheap answer to the American program of “Star Wars.” These machines could fit in the cargo compartment of a heavy aircraft “Ruslan”.

    On one hand, BWLAP could revolutionize the area of nuclear energy generation by allowing production of plentiful and safe energy from 238 Uranium and Thorium.

    In another embodiment, the BWLAP could from a distance detect a nuclear warhead (nuclear power plant) – and instantly bring down its core.


  145. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm #

    Here is the distribution of all energy reserves available today on Earth for existing technologies:

    Coal – 8.7%
    Gas – 3.4%
    Oil – 0.8%
    Uranium 235 (all current nuclear stations) – 0.4%
    Thorium + Uranium 238 – 86.7%

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  146. wpa--ccc September 5, 2015 at 7:47 pm #

    “…selling out their own heritage and turning over their countries to Islam.” — brh

    Are you afraid, brh?

    Can you name a Christian country that has “turned over” and has officially adopted Islam? What historic precedent is there? Or is it just your fear talking?

    Islam is the future. Do not be afraid. It will be a gradual, peaceful takeover as more people are convert to Islam, which is growing faster than any other religion. Do not be afraid. There should be an immediate decrease in deaths from alcoholism, saving thousands of lives. Islam has a moral code. Do not be afraid. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet and will respect Christians. With Islam things will get better. Do not be afraid.


    • BackRowHeckler September 5, 2015 at 11:26 pm #

      Why, what’d you hear?

      Is that swarm of locusts coming to New England? How they gonna cross the Atlantic Ocean? Unless the Pharaoh has plans to fly them in on Air Force 1, first class all the way.

      That wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Commandeer some of our Congregational Churches and you can have your call to prayer right there on the Town Green, everybody facing Mecca. Don’t like it? You’d better get with the program if you know what’s good for you, Friend.


  147. FincaInTheMountains September 5, 2015 at 8:03 pm #

    Crow and Bunny are flying in an airplane. Crow behaves with impudent vengeance: croaks obscenely, throws the half-eaten sandwiches in the middle of the cabin, and blames pilots that they cannot fly the plane. Bunny is sitting nearby, watching. Finally, too, he decided to make a fuss – grabs the passing stewardess by the ass.

    Here ends the patience of the crew, Bunny with a Crow is thrown out through the luggage hatch of the plane. They fall down; Crow wings are folded so it flies close to the Bunny in a freefall.

    – Say, Bunny, do you know how to fly?
    – No, Crow, I don’t.
    – So why did you behave like an ass?

    But Russia warned the European Union about the crisis with migrants. “Arab Spring”, the bombing of Libya, open support for the Syrian “opposition” – all this lead to the natural result of a submerged into ruin and war regions. First, Europe at the request of the United States dutifully set fire to their neighbors, and now itself suffers from the influx of victims of the fire.

  148. wpa--ccc September 5, 2015 at 8:15 pm #

    Homosexuality is found in 1,500 species. Homophobia is found in one species.

    Which is “natural”?


  149. wpa--ccc September 5, 2015 at 10:43 pm #

    “Cheering German crowds greet refugees after long trek from Budapest to Munich”


    “The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it.” –Tony Benn

  150. nsa September 5, 2015 at 11:05 pm #

    This stuff is hilarious. The neocon zios implement their plan to destroy 7 nations in 5 years and secure the primacy of their favorite rogue state and nuclear outlaw, precious little Israel……and the dumbfuck euroweanies are expected to clean up the carnage and take in the displaced hoards of muslims, who will never assimilate. This is cultural suicide. The zios must be laughing their butts off…just rename the place eurostan and be done with it…..

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  151. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 12:01 am #

    1932: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

    2015: Be afraid of gays, minorities, immigrants, transsexuals, Muslims, unions, feminists, Obamacare, gun control, and the government itself.

  152. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 12:09 am #

    Here are 36 things that were made possible by unions.

    Weekends without work

    All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks

    Paid vacation

    Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)

    Sick leave

    Social Security

    Minimum wage

    Civil Rights Act/Title VII – prohibits employer discrimination

    8-hour work day

    Overtime pay

    Child labor laws

    Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)

    40-hour work week

    Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)

    Unemployment insurance


    Workplace safety standards and regulations

    Employer health care insurance

    Collective bargaining rights for employees

    Wrongful termination laws

    Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)

    Whistleblower protection laws

    Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) – prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee

    Veteran’s Employment and Training Services (VETS)

    Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)

    Sexual harassment laws

    Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)

    Holiday pay

    Employer dental, life, and vision insurance

    Privacy rights

    Pregnancy and parental leave

    Military leave

    The right to strike

    Public education for children

    Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 – requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work

    Laws ending sweatshops in the United States

    Have a GREAT Labor Day weekend!

  153. Cold N. Holefield September 6, 2015 at 12:44 am #

    Q, are you watching it? Temple is giving Penn a clinic on how to play football.

    Penn State, not Penn. Penn State will never be the same after the child molesting scandal.

    Speaking of child molesters and child rapists, Notre Dame crushed Texas and its affirmative action coach. The University of Texas is an abomination. It’s an entity more fitting for New England, not Texas.

  154. FincaInTheMountains September 6, 2015 at 8:46 am #

    Coca Cola to Europeans: Bend over and try to relax

    In Europe, Coca-Cola Company introduced a new advertising slogan “We choose happiness, not tradition.” Posters of gay couples with children were on the bus stations and in the press.


  155. FincaInTheMountains September 6, 2015 at 10:01 am #


    These girls are singing in a style that allows them to be identified with the different areas of New York. From left to right: Queens, Bronx, Manhattan.

    This clip produces absolutely dizzy impression where these girls do not just sing along, but with great artistry perform the role of women, who are really walking the streets of New York City, ride the metro, and regularly, and with great pleasure, causing the bar brawls.

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  156. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 11:38 am #

    Legalizing gay marriage and marijuana at the same time was all part of God’s plan.

    Leviticus 20:13 says: “if a man lays with another man, as with a woman, he should be stoned.”

    We’ve just been interpreting it wrong all along.

  157. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 11:42 am #

    Bernie is ahead of Hillary by 11 points in New Hampshire. Hillary is no longer “inevitable”. A movement has developed around Bernie similar to 2008 and Bernie could go all the way to the White House.

    Sanders/Warren 2015

  158. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 11:45 am #

    ^Sanders/Warren 2015 and 2016 and 2017^

  159. FincaInTheMountains September 6, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

    Tough job of European reporters:

    1. Find a body of a drowned child


    2. Move it to more “impressive” location and take pictures


  160. MisterDarling September 6, 2015 at 4:30 pm #

    @ FitM:

    “The EU called the request excessive and agreed to allocate a total of 50 million Euros. Someday in the future. Many now regret that five years ago they did not take the warning of the Colonel seriously.”-f.

    I remember thinking that as it was transpiring. But you realize of course that the cartel still thought that it could make the miracle of “self-canceling debt” work by coordinating QE globally, and The ‘Colonel’ (semi-quotes b/c appointed himself that rank) was amassing gold (“85 tons” or more) and threatening to create an Pan-African financial institution… And that was all it took to sanction action against him. He wrote his own death warrant.

    Typically, the cartel made that decision with strategy based on wishful thinking & lack of realistic contingency plans, let alone operatives (Cameron, Obama, etc.) who could execute fully… SO, here we are.

    Certain people really have a very narrow idea of what Schumpeter meant by “creative destruction” don’t they?


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  161. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 4:34 pm #

    “Oh what a pile of wattle and daub. I speak of the Chris Christie traffic scandal, of course. Does anyone think for a minute this is going to actually harm this guy?! Of course not. This is an opportunity sent from heaven on many levels….firstly the humanizing heartfelt apology. I mean it’s not like he was caught blowing somebody in the park. By the time the thermometer next touches 90F this incident will be totally forgotten.” –Q. Shtik, January 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    This first week of Sept. 2015 Bridgegate is still in the news headlines:


    20 months after Qshtik spoke people are still talking about Bridgegate. Christie is polling at 2%. Rachel Maddow broke the story and made sure Christie would not become a presidential nominee.

    I would say, given the evidence of the last 20 months, Bridgegate definitely harmed Christie.

  162. Janos Skorenzy September 6, 2015 at 6:33 pm #


    Study the lore of the Enemy so you can be ready.

  163. wpa--ccc September 6, 2015 at 8:34 pm #

    Janos, genocide is defined as “the deliberate killing of a large group of people.”

    Multiculturalism is not genocide. Diversity is not genocide. Your continued misuse of the word only detracts from your white supremacy message and makes you sound irrational.

    There is no deliberate effort to exterminate whites. You support the kind of genocide Jews, Blacks and Native Americans have suffered. Now it sounds like you have genocide envy. You want so badly to be seen as a victim and ignore or deny your white privilege.

  164. nsa September 6, 2015 at 9:01 pm #

    The zios implement their neocon plan to destroy 7 countries in 5 years, creating millions of deaths and many more millions of displaced persons on the move. So who is stupid and suicidal enough to take them in? USA…..no. Israel….no. Saudi……no. Gulf states…..no. Egypt….no i.e. none of the outfits that caused the carnage Just the euro-weanie idiots…who deserve what they get….hard, deep, and often with no lube. The papal whore of the seven hills, leader of the largest existing pedophile cult, is encouraging this monstrous evil……so right away you know it’s a very very bad idea……


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