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T he authorities keep emphasizing that the nurse who caught ebola from Thomas Eric Duncan was sealed in her haz-mat suit the whole time she cared for the poor fellow and blah blah nobody knows how she could possibly catch the darn thing…. But the newspapers and cable news networks are not asking: What about all the people, ordinary civilians, that this nurse was consorting with off-work, after she took off her haz-mat suit and, let’s say, at some point stopped by the Kroger Store’s fabulous steam table display of take-out goodies behind the helpful and reassuring sneeze-guard on her way back home? It sounds like a new Netflix drama – The Fatal Mac and Cheese.

If one more person in that chain of circumstance falls ill, Rick Perry will have to ring-fence Dallas faster than you can say Guadalupe Hidalgo and then we’ll be off to the quarantine races in America. It will be interesting to see who’s shorting the airline stocks a few hours from now. I’ve got to pass through Dulles airport tomorrow myself, and then two more foreign hubs after that, and return to freakin’ Newark International at the end of the week when a fullblown ebola panic may be underway.

For the moment, I’m in Washington for a conference on population and immigration. Believe it or not there are some people who want to have an honest national conversation about these issues amid all the disingenuous chatter about “dreamers” emanating from the Oval Office in this miserable era of politics-as-spin-art. And along comes the galvanizing event of a really serious disease to finally force the issue. Nothing concentrates a nation’s attention like the specter of the people next door bleeding out through their ears and noses.

Welcome to the diminishing returns of the global economy. They’ve been there all along, but none previously were sufficiently vivid or horrifying as ebola. The Chinese FoxConn workers throwing themselves out the factory windows in despair just seemed like some kind of fraternity prank in comparison. Now something has got loose from the Heart of Darkness like the hissing beastie that burst out of John Hurt’s ribcage in Alien and water-skied out of the sick bay into the bowels of the cargo ship Nostromo. Sometimes a metaphor is just a figure of speech and sometimes it’s liable to set your hair on fire.

The ebola melodrama has all the mojo to set the global economy’s hair on fire. And it comes along at a very strange time: just as central bank hoodoo approaches the brink of its own epic fail – as in, accounting fraud, check-kiting, and public relations can only work as a place-holder for authentic economic relations for so long before the ominous shadow of reality sweeps in on black swan wings. The markets were already well into the puking stage of their own hemorrhagic contagion last week. Maybe the S & P starts bleeding from its eyes and ears this week.

There’s certainly blood all over the overburdened back roads of the Bakken play all of a sudden, where $88-a-barrel shale oil doesn’t even allow you to pretend that you’ve got a profitable venture going. The shale oil fairy tale has been at the center of a matrix of lies America has been telling itself about its economic meth buzz. Saudi America and all that malarkey, all in the service of America’s master wish of all wishes: please Lord, let us keep driving to Wal Mart forever.

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444 Responses to “Real Life is Not Spin Art”

  1. sanduleak October 13, 2014 at 7:02 am #

    The exponential increase of trade and population in the 12-14th centuries and subsequent mini ice age that weakened immune systems due to the return of famine after centuries gone led to the black plague.

    Go figure.

    The plague plague has strange similarities to Ebola… from its 60-80% kill rate to similar circumstances leading to it.

    Of course History rhymes but considering “high tech” devices existed in the so called middle ages, especially in advanced music instruments. People traveled and were as mobile as today and trade was flourishing with China, how ironic.

    • CancelMyCard October 13, 2014 at 9:18 am #

      The unalterable fact is that this country is utterly unprepared to deal with any serious threat of a highly communicable disease.

      There are a grand total of four hospital isolation units within the US hospital system, and those units contain a total of 23 beds.

      Twenty-three beds for a country with a population of 300+ million people.

      Read “Do The Math” and judge for yourself how prepared we are:


      • Neon Vincent October 13, 2014 at 9:55 am #

        “Twenty-three beds for a country with a population of 300+ million people.”

        That’s not entirely true. As Michigan prepares for Ebola, at least two hospitals are able to set up rooms to care for the sufferers of The Red Death. Spectrum Health has already used theirs, as I reported last week. Fortunately, it was a false alarm, the patient had Dengue, not Ebola. The hospital by the Detroit airport claims it can handle up to 50 patients. The U.S. is better prepared than you portray, although not as prepared as any of us might like.

        In the meantime, get a flu shot. So far, only one person in the U.S. has died of Ebola. Tens of thousands die every year from the flu.

        • CancelMyCard October 13, 2014 at 12:05 pm #

          Read the link I posted. I’ll quote from it:

          So, for the entire country, all 316,100,000+ of us, we’re fully prepared to treat 23 Ebola patients at the same time. (For reference, that’s how many Ebola patients Liberia had last April. It hasn’t gone well.)

          But the 316M-person question is, what happens when we have 24?

          More happygas, anyone?

          “But any major medical center could really take care of an Ebola patient,” said William Schaffner, an expert on infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University’s School of Medicine.

          Most ICUs have isolation rooms that are used for patients suspected to have tuberculosis, SARS, Middle East respiratory syndrome or another infectious disease. Schaffner said that not much would be different for an Ebola patient, though more stringent precautions might be taken to ensure that health care workers are following all protocols.

          Why yes, gosh darn it, of course they can!
          Just look at how well that worked at Texas Health Presbyterian, a top-tier 968-bed acute primary hospital in Dallas, and a regional healthcare keystone in that city.
          They misdiagnosed their first patient.
          Their computerized EMR doesn’t dump the nurse’s triage notes onto the doctor’s page, so critical screening information was missed.
          They exposed their hospital lab to specimens that weren’t safe to handle, because they didn’t know Thomas Duncan needed a BL4 response and specimen handling.
          They exposed doctors, nurses, staff members, patients, and visitors to Ebola unknowningly.
          They sent him back into the community to expose family, friends, EMS workers, and random strangers as well.
          Which led to inappropriate hazmat cleaning at his home;
          the potential exposure of four public schools to the disease, which has necessitated closing them for cleaning while parents keep their children home, some withdrawing them completely;
          and on and on, with 18/100/50 (depending on which number is currently operant) people under self-imposed quarantine and monitoring.

          And that was a good look at how it’s going to go everywhere else, the first time “shit’s getting real”. It’s called the Normalcy Bias. “We’ve never had an Ebola patient walk in the door, so we never will, and we won’t assume otherwise.” Because ABCNNBCBS haven’t been hawking any news to the contrary for months, right?

          There are other problems: as noted yesterday, once you start traipsing highly infectious patients, frequently vomiting and squirting Ebola-laced body fluids everywhere, the hospital is unavailable for any other use.

          That’s not even news, it’s CDC standard policy!

          • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 1:48 pm #

            re | “And that was a good look at how it’s going to go everywhere else, the first time “shit’s getting real”. It’s called the Normalcy Bias. “We’ve never had an Ebola patient walk in the door, so we never will, and we won’t assume otherwise.” Because ABCNNBCBS haven’t been hawking any news to the contrary for months, right?”-cancel.

            This is the stuff that Black Swans are made of…

          • Bob October 13, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

            I’m an ICU nurse at Duke.

            I can tell you that we are *not* prepared. Nothing has been communicated to us and I know the proper equipment will not be available until it is too late.

            Nice of the CDC to neglect *HATS* in their PPE recommendations…

    • seawolf77 October 13, 2014 at 10:10 am #

      Your analogy is creepy. I think the notion of climate change symbiotically strengthening the scourge is particalarly picant. if we have made this world unpalatable to certain speices, we have made it inviting to others. If those others are viruses hostile to homo sapiens…well giddy up.

    • Cassandra October 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm #

      And remember that there were fewer than **500 million** humans on the planet in the late middle ages. We’re going to have than many people in the USA pretty soon if we continue our foaming mad immigration policy.

      Many economic historians refer to the plague as a “beneficial fever” for those who survived it. It decimated the population, leaving more land, resources and employment opportunities for survivors. Some even credit it for the florescence of the Italian Renaissance. Petrarch lost Laura to the plague, you know.

      Check out NumbersUSA, which has a lot of good Census Bureau population data on how absolutely historically unprecedented the recent population tidal wave has been. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/overpopulation/biggest-population-boom-ever.html

      • sharonsj October 14, 2014 at 6:01 pm #

        Yes, I read that too. With at least a third of the adult population dead, the nobility had a real shortage in the labor pool to choose from. The survivors practically unionized, and asked for and got better wages and working conditions.

        And to sanduleak below, we already have moral decrepitude (cops and tanks) as well as several cults of death.

  2. sanduleak October 13, 2014 at 7:11 am #

    And may I add that it took the plague 25-30 years to make it from the steppes of Mongolia to the black sea, and a mere 6 months to spread through Europe like a wildfire after it arrived in the “planes” of the day i.e fast moving cargo ships transporting spices and silks etc..

    Of course the black plague came about amid massive upheaval of EVERYTHING, including the moral decrepitude all around of “knights” (killing/looting/raping vs. the idealized depiction we know) and the “cult of death”.

    People truly believed the end was nigh. Population collapsed 60-80% in a century (France went from 28 million to 8 million during the 1300s).

    A good book to read is “The Calamitous Century” by Barbara Tuchman.

    That led to the Renaissance though…

    A lesson in History for our times too.

    • islander800 October 13, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

      I’m re-reading Tuchman’s “A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century” now. She is masterful at bringing the time alive.

      What stands out is how the plague of the mid-14th century changed almost everything about society.

  3. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 7:52 am #

    I’ve never trusted the CDC. Notice it doesn’t say CDE (Center for Disease Eradication). No, it’s control of disease, not eradication that is the goal. And control means you can turn it up and down — it’s degree of intensity is controlled by the controllers — until it isn’t. Playing with fire and unleashing the unpredictable forces of chaos is such fun, isn’t it? It’s exhilarating for some and terrifying for most everyone else. Disease as a form of terror. Yet another tactic in The Game.

    I’ve been watching the messaging coming out of the spokespeople for the CDC and it has been on-script. It is as follows, and it hasn’t wavered.

    It’s clear that, like it or not, we live in a global village these days. And, because of market practices, because of air traffic, it’s very possible for a disease to move from one corner of the Earth to another within a day. And so diseases that emerge, for instance, in the urban slum of Kenya that might seem so remote and not relevant to someone living in North America, are actually quite relevant and quite important.



    Safe travels. Hopefully the airlines don’t seat you next to a sweaty, pasty African, because if they do, what will all of us have to look forward to every Monday morning?

    It’s an inverted form of Communism where it’s misery and suffering that are redistributed, not wealth, and the CDC is here to make sure of it. “Like it or not.”

    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 9:57 am #

      Pedantry with the name aside, what is truly troubling is that it’s a bureaucratic government agency. Are people sincerely putting their health and safety in the hands of a federal agency currently working under the auspices of the Obama regime?

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 1:50 pm #

      re | “I’ve never trusted the CDC. Notice it doesn’t say CDE (Center for Disease Eradication). No, it’s control of disease, not eradication that is the goal.”-cold.

      That’s something that’s always tickled me. There’s so much ‘latitude’ in the word “control”…

    • Apneaman October 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm #

      Well we/they did manage to eradicate smallpox. That always make me think about the leading scientist of that amazing feat, the late Australian microbiologist Frank Fenner, and what he had to say about humanity’s future.


  4. the Heretick October 13, 2014 at 7:57 am #

    Americans, and other people around the world (to be fair), have been very good at playing pretend. During the era of slavery we told ourselves we were helping out the poor black Africans, the Indians were savages, the Spanish blew up the Maine, a rising tide lifts all boats, and the fact we spend more on defense then the next 17 countries combined has nothing to do with the fact we consume 1/4 of the worlds energy.
    And there were WMDs in Iraq.

    Still, the latest smart phone is out, and the sales will be reported as GNP, as if redundancy is a product. Somethings gotta give, and I doubt it’s going to be pretty.

    • seawolf77 October 13, 2014 at 10:17 am #

      America is the False Prophet. We have made a lying a religion. When I think back on my “education,” I get sick to my stomach. How could I have believed in such crock pots of mendacity? It all goes back to Santa. Believe, and you get presents. There is a reason Santa is an anagram of Satan. The truth about Manifest Destiny: We stole the Indian’s land and killed all of them because they were in our way. What we were taught: It was America’s destiny to strecth from sea to shining sea. Such wholesale disregard for karma only lasts so long.

      • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 11:36 am #

        Who is this “we”? You were there? You perpetrated it? It’s nobody’s land. Nobody controls anything forever.
        More powerful European tribes simply gained a short lease on it. The Dinosaurs lost out to asteroids and volcanos. There is no static only flux.

        • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 2:32 pm #

          I’m always curious as to whether the people of the “we” camps take responsibility for past peoples successes as well e.g., “when we invented the steam engine, when we learned to smelt iron-ore, when we landed on the moon, when we crawled from the sea” Oh no, that won’t do… that would mean we are all one and the same.

          You’re not standing on the shoulders of giants, you’re cowering in their shadows.

          • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 2:03 pm #

            “We landed on the moon”….?

            I actually believed that until I read this hilarious expose’ by David McGowan, “Wagging the Moondoggie”:


            If you are going to read this, prepare to fall down the rabbit hole, have a few quiet hours set aside and something tall and cool to imbibe.


      • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:23 pm #

        Exactly. You owe everything, Everything to these conquerors whom you trash. You are an ingrate. Go back to Europe – you are unworthy of your mighty ancestors. In fact, you are unworthy of Europe either. Go live in some 3rd World junk pile.

        • seawolf77 October 16, 2014 at 8:06 am #

          I owe jack, and your opinion means precisely dick.

    • barbisbest October 13, 2014 at 10:32 am #

      Heretick “Americans, and other peoples have been very good at playing pretend, during slavery we were helping the poor blacks, the indians were savages, etc….” that’s priceless. Native Americans may have been savage at times, but in fact they were very intelligent and caring.

      “Welcome to the diminishing returns of the global economy” – Priceless. Oh, yes, the global economy, how grand.

      The world of reality eventually trumps, as in, and not all inclusive, we can keep on driving anywhere in perpetuity.

    • Q. Shtik October 13, 2014 at 7:52 pm #

      spend more on defense [then} the next 17 countries – Heretick


  5. davidreese2 October 13, 2014 at 8:18 am #

    As a physician, I always suspected that bringing back American Ebola victims to the American mainland was a really stupid thing to do. If we had any obligation to care for those Americans unfortunate enough to have contracted Ebola in Africa — and we do have that obligation — we should have sent hospital units to Africa to care for them there, or have outfitted our hospital ships with isolation units to care for them off the African coast.

    Ebola is a new threat that has not been extensively studied by anyone, including the CDC. Any pronouncements by the CDC must be taken in that light.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:36 pm #

      re | “Ebola is a new threat that has not been extensively studied by anyone, including the CDC. Any pronouncements by the CDC must be taken in that light.”-david.

      The ‘Unknown Unknowns’ (as my erstwhile boss would have it) are critical here.

      I *hope* that an animal disease-vector is needed to spread infection… But we know what hope is worth.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:01 pm #

      Ebola haemorrhagic fever
      Heinz Feldmann, Thomas W Geisbert

      The Lancet 5 March 2011 (Volume 377 Issue 9768 Pages 849-862 DOI: 10.1016/S0140-6736(10)60667-8)


      like i said last week, set your ebola eradication clocks back to 42 days.

      the people who got infected were part of “american hospital units” sent to Africa to care for people with ebola. thats why they got sick, they were caring for sick people. if you care for a sick person, which i doubt you personally do on a daily basis, you are taking a risk of exposing yourself to a deadly virus. despite all precautions, viruses are very contagious because they are very small…microscopic…you can not see them…just their effects. they can live on surfaces and travel via liquid splatter. surfaces including hands must be cleansed with bleach solutions or something similar.

      everyone who had contact with an infected person or their surroundings should have their blood analyzed for signs of an infection. do not wait until you have a fever. you can carry a virus and not get sick immediately. once you are symptomatic, the virus has incubated and errupts, you must isolate yourself. do not go to a hospital. have experienced hazmat people come to your dwelling.
      you are less at risk of contracting a secondary infection like mrsa.

      • davidreese2 October 14, 2014 at 12:45 am #

        I might be wrong, but I assumed that Americans in West Africa caring for Ebola patients were caring for those patients in local medical facilities. Such facilities are probably not up to western standards.

        By “hospital units” I meant entire state-of-the-art medical facilities, including isolation units, with laboratory and complete support facilities for intensive care, that could have been airlifted in. Our military has long had that capability.

        • Karah October 14, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

          Thanks for the clarification.

          Considering we have units here that are failing to contain the virus (for whatever reason can be debated all day and night), I do not believe physical restraints, including the kind the military practice in so far as they can actually shoot someone who tries to break protocol, is going to make the difference in the long run.

          People need to be educated and well informed, including medical personnel who are overconfident in their abilities to arrest an epidemic on their own. We need teams, like you said, who are regimented and orderly (that is a term for hospital aids, orderlies, because they didn’t have to think so much as follow a specific order or routine concerning the direct handling of patients).

          There have been African units successful in managing the disease. Orderlies there have become infected but survived and continue to work with the sick. They are doing what anyone over here would with whatever they have, situations that are simple and not over complicated. I believe our situation here is revealing how overconfident we are in our technologies and fail to overlook the simpler solutions…dealing compassionately with people is a big part of it.

    • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 2:23 pm #

      Absolutely correct doctor.

      I am a Registered Nurse here in L.A. and in today’s (10/14) NYT there is an article covering the C.D.C.’s latest pronouncements on exactly how the U.S. will be dealing with the Ebola crisis:

      “Every option is on the table at this moment,” said Abbigail Tumpey, a C.D.C. spokeswoman.

      Yes, “every option” EXCEPT the obvious one of stopping ALL incoming flights from the “hot zones” to EVERY destination on the planet. Obviously flights must be allowed INTO the hot zones with medical personnel, supplies and structural support systems.

      But all flights OUT can be monitored with a blood test that IS available and only takes two hours to complete at a cost of about $200/person.

      Taking someone’s temperature and having them fill out a form is a joke as someone who may know they have been exposed and want to seek out expert care in the U.S. could mask their “fever” with Tylenol and lie on the form. Not to mention that the latest information says that in 10% of some Ebola cases the person may be afebrile and STILL be contagious without outward symptoms. So there goes that plan down the drain.

      If you took an average group of sixth graders and presented the “Germ Theory” to them even THEY would know that “containment” is the key to winning the war against Ebola!

      But the head of the C.D.C., “Dr.” Friedan, says that stopping all the flights out of the “hot zones” is a “bad idea”.

      “Bad” for whom? Bad for the profits of the airlines? Bad for the U.S. economy? Bad for what exactly?

      The fact that these simpletons are scurrying around their ivory towers in Atlanta with the elephant following them bellowing “Containment morons!” and they will not see or hear it should make all human beings cringe.

      These are the people “in charge”?? Physicians? Scientists?

      But the flights continue. And the virus WILL spread. Ebola is far more of a threat to the American public than “ISIS” will ever be.

      Let the lunatic fringe murdering rapists have their “caliphate”. It will only be a matter of time before their “subjects” will revolt and kill them all. (I understand that the I.S. fighters pee their pants when they are confronted by women carrying guns…maybe an all female force will help them “convert”?)

      In the case of Ebola, only about 30% would stand a chance of surviving without anyone ever firing a shot.

  6. Petro October 13, 2014 at 8:50 am #

    QUARANTINE. It is harsh, and will be resisted by fuzzy-thinking, care bear types, but it has proven through the ages to be effective (sometimes) if enforced rigorously enough.

    Trying to draw parallels between the Middle Ages and now is an interesting parlor game, but not very useful. Sanduleak’s rambling and over simplified remarks above make little sense. Pandemics, now and in the past, are complex, unpredictable phenomena.

    A big thing that bugs me: How political leaders keep claiming how things like the ebola outbreak (or 9/11 or ISIS, etc.) are “unexpected” or “could not have been foreseen.” Bullshit. You just haven’t been listening to the scientists or analysts who are out there, calling it like it is, and making valid predictions and warnings—sometimes years in advance.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

      Hello Petro,

      Have you seen this yet?


      Dmitri comes up with a scale-able, cost-effective plan for the worst-case scenario.

      I like the way he thinks.


    • CHenry October 13, 2014 at 9:10 pm #

      What is so disturbing is the CDC’s unwillingness to adhere to first principles in epidemic control: isolation and quarantine. The CDC is bending over backward to provide implausible reasons why air travel from the epidemic affected areas should not be restricted (or at least not restricted from here). Since when does the administration’s Africa policy trump the President’s duty (under oath!) to protect and defend the nation?

      • Rattler October 14, 2014 at 11:56 am #

        “At the very far end of the spectrum are found roving bands of feral politicians children, speaking a language that no adult is able to understand. It is at this point that we are able to conclude that cultural collapse has run its course.”

        I can’t imagine any scenario that precludes nukes leaving their silos before this point is reached.

        • MisterDarling October 14, 2014 at 1:27 pm #


          Dmitri does have a way with words, does he not? And there are those that call the man ‘alarmist’ and JHK “dystopian”…

          They’re actually pretty upbeat considering what real worst-case scenarios look like. . . JHK especially, he’s really takin’ ‘er easy on the public.

          His ‘Union Grove’ scenario is a game of nerf-ball with toddlers compared to what the numbers suggest.

  7. AKlein October 13, 2014 at 8:54 am #

    Yes, it seems the advent of Ebola will cause the resolution of fact from fantasy. Bringing Ebola victims to the US in the name of “equality” is a far cry from having everybody, including granny, groped at the airport because in a democracy we must all be treated identically even if that makes no sense. See, we make our own rules to suit our fancy. Too bad the Ebola virus has its own plans. That’s what happens in a land of make-believe; sooner or later reality overtakes posturing. Oh my. But frankly, this couldn’t happen to a more deserving people. It pains me to say that since I live here too.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:32 pm #

      Hello AK,

      re | “That’s what happens in a land of make-believe; sooner or later reality overtakes posturing. Oh my.”-ak.

      Interesting things happen when a culture has its belief system(s) brought into “rough collision” with Reality.

      Get some popcorn…things could get ‘buttery’.


  8. progress4what October 13, 2014 at 9:16 am #

    We in the United States have had an idea since at least the 1980’s that we can solve any problem, mitigate any disaster, if we can merely show a properly positive attitude about it. Logically, we are overdue for a situation that fails to respond to our public optimism. One wonders what lies behind our optimistic facade. It may not be pretty in the least.

    I’ve got a technical question. We keep hearing in the “news” that ebola has a 21 day incubation period – and that it is only contagious after symptoms develop. Yet – the nurse in Dallas, who cared for Duncan, is already showing symptoms. And the earliest contact she could have had with Duncan was Sept. 25. I have seen no mention of this logical impossibility. Is something wrong with mathematics at the CDC, or is something wrong with the “news?”

    On a humorous note, in a situation that shows a paucity of humor, little seems to be known about the background of patient zero. Yet, there’s zero doubt that Thomas Eric Duncan is a genuine African-African, may he rest in peace. But what’s with his name? If he were an African-American, wouldn’t he have a handle like LeThomus D’Ericus Duncan, instead?

    Be careful with all that flying, JHK. And try to raise some Hell at that conference. If immigration isn’t reduced into the US, we’re all going down – even faster!

    • K-Dog October 13, 2014 at 10:26 am #

      Progressives for Immigration Reform – 5th Annual Immigration Conference

      October 13, 2014, from 8:30 am to 12:00 pm

      11:10 to 11:35 – James Howard Kunstler, Lecturer, blogger, and author of the Geography of Nowhere – “The Wishful Thinking Economy and the Fate of the Nation”

      And try to raise some hell at the conference. Is that all you. have to say. Your pet issue and your are not even waxing poetic about it.

      What gives?

      • progress4what October 13, 2014 at 11:42 am #

        That’s a reasonable question, K9. Generally, I don’t comment too often to JHK’s missive on the first day or so – I enjoy watching the dialog develop based on the week’s essay without trying to lead it myself.

        But, since you asked, and since JHK may be looking for the name of an organization to drop at the conference, then this organization:

        https://www.numbersusa.com/ seems to be the most “progressive” of the immigration lobbying groups. NumbersUSA is listed as a top charity by the BBB, and even the SPLC doesn’t call them really harsh names. I donate to NumbersUSA on a regular basis, and use their excellent and user-friendly fax system to contact my Senators and Congresscritter on a regular basis.
        There’s even a mechanism to donate a portion of Amazon purchases to your favorite charity or non-profit. Guess what organization made my list! Go ahead, guess!

      • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 2:24 pm #

        Reform? The funny thing is, the immigration laws are not broken. What is broken is the government’s lack of response against corporate abusers. If the US simply enforced the laws in place, instead of turning a blind eye to the companies feeding off of the cheap labor- be it agriculture, construction, food service, and tech (the H1-B visa) we would not have the problems we have. The federal government allows companies to pay and employ and banks to take (back in the early 2000s it was impossible to open a bank account without a tax ID/SSN or legitimate US ID, but the banks wanted their cut of the money that was going to Western Union so laws changed to allow anyone to open an account regardless of status. But we all need McMansions in sprawling cup-de-sacs that start below $500K, cheap unhealthy fast food, and corpor-agra produced salads from the San Joaquin valley…

        • Cassandra October 13, 2014 at 3:56 pm #

          False. Our current immigration laws allows for too much legal immigration, birthright citizenship, chain migration, too many temporary work visas, too many asylum seekers, etc.

          Just to focus on one, consider our crazy policy of “birthright citizenship,” which has spawned the great industry of “birth tourism.” People come to the USA to have babies who can then claim citizenship. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that eight percent of all U. S. births (approximately 350,000 a year) come from at least one illegal-alien parent.

          Obviously we need to crack down on existing immigration laws, but we also need to REFORM our immigration laws to decrease the amount of legal immigration.

          • hineshammer October 13, 2014 at 6:54 pm #

            “The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that eight percent of all U. S. births (approximately 350,000 a year) come from at least one illegal-alien parent. ”

            Wow! That is one busy woman.

          • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 7:51 pm #

            Very true, but blame birth tourism on jus soli from the misinterpreted IV amendment and the endless issuance of visas on our off the rails state department. Don’t begin to look at the DV visa, or “green card” lottery… another head scratcher.

          • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 8:04 pm #

            Should read XIV amendment…

          • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm #

            Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs:


      • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

        Why don’t you wax poetic about what the poster above said: the distribution of misery? It’s obviously dear to you little heart….

        If you were a 3rd Worlder, would you trust people who don’t love their own people? Look at how Liberals have betrayed Black Americans whom they were so gaga gaga about for decades.

    • swmnguy October 13, 2014 at 10:39 am #

      “progress4what”: The incubation period for Ebola that I’ve seen is said to be anywhere from 2 – 21 days. If you’re exposed and go longer than 21 days without showing symptoms, you’re unlikely to actually contract the disease. At least, that’s the official line.

      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:13 pm #

        i think it will be like hiv and you can carry it forever if given the right cocktail of drugs. what kills hiv-ers is not the virus, it is the secondary infections because of an obliterated immune system.

        isolation works both ways, it protects those outside and those inside from those outside.

  9. pequiste October 13, 2014 at 9:18 am #

    There was a British TV program in the 70s called “Survivors.” The show’s opening sequence- an east Asian fellow in a lab gear gingerly takes hold of an Erlenmeyer flask filled with bubbling liquid and then drops it. This same fellow is then shown going on flights to various and sundry major cities across the world. End of the intro provides the viewer with the destination of London, via an immigration stamp, and then the visual goes red via drippings and splatterings. Check it out for yourselves.
    I have had this visual in my head as an occasional recurring nightmare for the last 38 years. It was in-fact prophetic.
    The Red Plague has now become reality. Knowing full well how the idiots-in-charge can royally fuck up everything they touch, this pestilence scares the living daylights outta me.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:16 pm #

      uh…it should not be scary because you are not directly working with sick people or people who work with sick people.

      • pequiste October 14, 2014 at 1:29 pm #

        Shame about your lack of comprehension of the real world friend. You do, however, seem to validate JHK’s theme this week.
        I was attempting to send the CFN an admitted TV fiction that truly could reflect actuality.
        According to Science magazine ( not any infotainment media outlet) the potential exists for perhaps 1.2 million deaths from the Red Death by the end of February.
        My travel plans will take me through some very busy airports , both in the U.S. and abroad, coupled with long flights on planes. It only takes one well placed sneeze or cough in a confined space to start the cycle of infection. I am quite certain that (we will come to find out) that “aerosol” features prominently in the matrix of transmission vectors.
        Karah, go and believe whatever you like – – this scourge is terrible, and will most likely get much worse.


        • Karah October 14, 2014 at 6:37 pm #

          Science is not a belief system, it is fact that can be replicated over and over again regardless of location.

          If you are right, Pe, than we will hear or see an outbreak in the airport systems soon.

          Like I said, 42 days of no new Ebola cases is the time table for eradication of Ebola.

          As far as the airline flight Duncan traveled, if he was contagious at the time of travel, we will be hearing of an outbreak soon.

          Whoever has the responsibility of frisking Duncan, handling his passport, tickets, cups, trash, etc. and cleaning the places where he walked, sat and defecated should be freaking out right about now.

          • pequiste October 16, 2014 at 1:34 am #

            I agree with what I think you are saying: that, when executed correctly, scientific method has rigor enough to provide objective analysis. Repeatable outcomes is the rub I think.

            For yours, and all the CFN , edification, here is a link to a, peer reviewed, not-so-pretty, analysis of the current Ebola epidemic:

            Regarding a clear-eyed risk assessment and analysis of flying, airports and the threat posed by air travel; you need to see this lovely recent news morsel:

            You are also so very right about innocent travelers, workers, and bystanders being freaked out (and everybody else that came in contact or near an active Ebola infection) about now. In fact at the current rate of FUBAR (see above news story again) everyone except those of extreme sang-froid, death cults, or Christian Science predilections, will be hysterical just in time for Santa.

            I almost forgot. While on the treadmill today I watched CSPAN 2 coverage of a confab at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. The topic: Ebola. One of the distinguished panel; an infectious disease specialist in the public health domain, reported that some of the statistical models being utilized indicate up to four million deaths (the vast majority in West Africa) by the time this outbreak is over.

            Sorry Karah, this is just not the time to debate whether Science is a belief system or not. I will, however just suggest two things:

            1. The “Placebo Effect.”

            2. Epistemologically: to believe is to accept as true.

  10. newworld October 13, 2014 at 9:20 am #

    Listen up “progressives” lighten up on the Theocracy of Political Correctness. That is my advice, will you take it, of course not since “progress” has chained itself to the fortunes of the Democratic party, the party of caring looters versus the Objectivist looters of the Stupid Party.

    • Neon Vincent October 13, 2014 at 10:08 am #

      Over at The Archdruid Report, a reader who calls himself Purple Tortoise asked why no major party candidate was campaigning on a populist platform that included an anti-immigration plank, something he thought would be a sure winner. He wondered what he was missing. I responded that American political parties are held captive by their interest groups and ideologies, and none of the four largest parties, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and Greens, would support the particular combination of views he suggested. At least one of the positions would conflict with either a deeply held view or at least one of the party’s interest groups, and would result in rejection of the candidate. One would have to go down the the fifth largest party, the Constitution Party, for a home for that platform. Too bad they’re a bunch of amateurs.

      Finally, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving to you! Columbus Day? No, I’m not calling it that any more.

  11. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 9:23 am #

    Where is all the bio-hazard disposable waste generated from Ebola victims and the care of them going? Maybe it’s time to get to know your local landfill. Also, maybe it’s time to get the hell out of the cities if you reside there now and as far out in the country as you can get before they put all the cities in lock-down and shoot anyone trying to flee. You want quarantine — alright, we’ll give you quarantine. Pandemic Disease Ghettos. Woo Hoo!

    La.: Don’t bring waste from Ebola victim’s personal items

    Within hours after a Dallas health care worker was tested positive for Ebola, officials knocked on doors, made automated phone calls (The Matrix – what next, a message that pops up on their cell phones, ipads, laptops and ultimately their mirrors when they’re putting on their Game face for the day)) and passed out fliers to notify people within a four-block radius of the health care worker’s apartment complex.

    • hineshammer October 13, 2014 at 6:57 pm #

      They burn it.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

      first person to write out what military solutions are to outbreaks…and why they were sent to africa. they are going to shoot runners and spreaders.

  12. gasman October 13, 2014 at 9:32 am #

    From friends that work at Presby Dallas, rumor is that she took off her gloves before the body suit. Not sure, however something like that is probable

    • Beryl of Oyl October 13, 2014 at 12:48 pm #

      I heard something like that, too. It still doesn’t explain how this worker got sick so fast, though, when the people crammed into a small apartment with a sick man are still healthy.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

        Maybe some Black Africans have partial immunity since it has been in Africa for so long. Maybe Asians and Whites will get it much more easily. We know Nothing about it. Which is why the actions of CDC and our Politicians are simply criminal.

        The hubris of putting Internationalists in charge of protecting the good of the nation – something they have utter distaste for.

      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:24 pm #

        we do not know how healthy they are. the clock is ticking for them and we do not know what they were given by the authorities who moved them.

        if they are blood kin then providing a vaccine may be easier?

      • Subvert October 13, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

        Hey Beryl, I think that could explain it pretty well. If she took off her gloves, then touched her haz mat suit with bare hands while taking it off, there would be plenty of transmission potential for germs on the suit to transfer to her bare hands. Even if she washed her hands after the disrobing, she could have wiped her nose, eyes or mouth or scratched her ear and got the germs onto mucosal membranes and voila! Or Ebola! if you prefer. Sorry that was tasteless, but y’know.

        It’s well known that hospital workers are usually in a state of stressed immune function and ill health due to consantly being exposed to germs their system has to fight off and from over taking antibiotics. Combine this with high stress, mediocre pay, (hence having to work a lot to pay the slave masters) little time off to rejuvenate, long shifts with little sleep between, a completely toxic work environment and it’s not such a mystery that a nurse would fall ill so quickly.

        It’s just Occam’s Razor in effect – All things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

        Then again, it could be a bunch of spin and disinformation from The Fairy Tale Hour (often called The News)

    • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 3:09 pm #

      Too bad these tiny viruses are not colored Day Glow Orange.

      In that case she would never have made a mistake like that.

      I am a nurse and when I look at the hoods and googles etc. that healthcare workers don to go into isolation I am even now wondering how a person can “de-contaminate” without a partner helping out.

      Supposedly the ties to the “mask” and “gown” are considered “clean” so the person comes out of isolation and removes the gloves first which are highly contaminated. Then the clean ties are touched with clean hands and the gown is turned inside out and discarded. Then the boots are removed touching clean to clean. Supposedly the hood is removed from the underside (clean?) and lastly the mask is untied with clean hands to clean ties. I am assuming that the person removes the goggles from the back. Then the person walks out and washes his/her hands.

      I think the days of a person removing contaminated garb on his/her own are over. The whole process of how we move from contaminated to clean needs to be revisited.

      I wonder if some type of infrared lighting could highlight contaminated areas? There has to be a better way to contain this virus than what we are now witnessing.

  13. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 9:39 am #

    I was watching No Country For Old Men last night for about the 10th time, and it never really gets old or boring for me. It’s a great movie — a great story, and great metaphor.

    Like this scene where the malevolence known as Anton Chigurh in quires of the trailer park manager about Llewelyn Moss’s place of employ. She has no clue about Anton Chigurh as she authoritatively refuses to abide by his request and brandishes a nail file at him as he passes her over — for now. She stares death in the face and never realizes how close she comes to it. She’s America and its healthcare system, and Anton Chigurh is the scourge that is Ebola. Lord, although he/she/it won’t, help us because all we have are our half and dim wits and a nail file, and I’m afraid as frightening as those weapons are, they won’t get the job done.

    No country for Old Men – Where Does He Work?

    • edward4432 October 13, 2014 at 9:57 am #

      Ay ya ya!

      Quoting the Coen brothers slasher film as a metaphor for America.
      I guess Jimbo is right about Americans.

      • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 10:01 am #

        It is a Cormac McCarthy novel first and foremost… ay yay yay:

        “…But the second one it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin through the mountains of a night. Goin through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin. Never said nothin. He just rode on past and he had this blanket wrapped around him and he had his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. About the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin on ahead and that he was fixin to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up.”

        • edward4432 October 13, 2014 at 11:07 am #

          pooky or crap? Same difference.

          • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 11:20 am #

            You are an ignoramus of the first order.

    • seawolf77 October 13, 2014 at 10:02 am #

      Yeah but who ran their car into him at the end? I say it was the mother.

  14. Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 9:39 am #

    The current administration takes its marching orders on immigration from the Silicon Valley Plantation Masters in search of indentured H1-Bs from India, and the construction/housing-start sector that feeds off of cheap illegal sub-contracting. There is no shortage of STEM workers and no shortage of labor. There is only a shortage of exploitable labor in these two camps. Letting Latin America bleed-out its dregs will never force them to have a reckoning with the irresponsible over-populating that they practice. The current administration is intent on remaking America into a Brazil where oases and pockets of wealth are surrounded by concentric rings of poverty, ghettos and favelas.
    Strip away all the chatter and Ebola has spread one way; air travel. From Liberia to Lagos, from Monrovia to Dallas… to Madrid. Containing Ebola, a disease that, in the past, was contained by flame-out, is not as important as maintaining airline travel. Business trumps common sense again.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm #

      re | “There is no shortage of STEM workers and no shortage of labor.”-frankiti.

      Too true.

    • Subvert October 14, 2014 at 12:12 am #

      The fat cats who control the guv don’t want immigration reform, they want to play both sides of the deal – getting cheap labor from exploitable, expendable immigrants and getting a great Divide-and-Conquer hot button issue for their stable of pet politicians to play the populace off against each other with. Most other “developed” countries have a workable immigration policy, except the US, so it’s not like it’s rocket surgery to figure it out. All we would need is to copy a system that already proved it works. But that will never happen because what we’re doing now is SO profitable to those in the driver’s seat.

      The same dynamic happens with drug policy – they make money importing the stuff first and then by locking up the “criminals” who sell it, in privatized prisons. It’s the same thing they do with war – financing and supplying both sides and using the “issue” to divide the populace with. The same thing happens in the so called education system – they dumb down the kids who are then easier to fool and control and use it as a campaign talking point to again, divide and conquer the public. Are we seeing a trend here?

      These plays are millennia old if you care to study the realities of history instead of the revisionist tripe you get fed by schools and “authorities”. Macciavelli’s The Prince and Sun Tzu’s The Art of War are standard issue books in the education of the elites. They don’t want us “uppity slaves” reading that stuff or we might get ideas…

      As far as “Latin America bleeding out it’s dregs.” Wow, such humanity in your words! Most of the people who come to America do so out of neccessity because our elites have been raping, robbing, pillaging, replacing democratically elected leaders with corporate friendly shills and fomenting wars in their countries for centuries. Do you really think they want to leave their close knit families to face unprecedented dangers coming here just to be exploited by rich gringos? Hardly.

      I was born and raised 60 miles from the Mexican border and have lived in the good company of Mexicans and Latin Americans all my life. They generally value family above all else and treking to the US is not some journey to bliss for these poor people, it is simply one of their only choices. Sure, a few criminal types come in with the honest folks but they are the minority. Don’t listen to the media hate mongers whose forebears came here as immigrants too. Unless you’re a Native American, you’re an illegal immigrant on the land they tended successfully for millennia and your forefathers committed genocide to claim this land as theirs. …Again, this has been going on for 10,000 years since the birth of Totalitarian Agriculture in the fertile crescent. There is plenty of documentation to back this up but it’s been hidden from the common man by the real enemy of all life on Earth: the elite. If you want to demonize and deport somebody, start with the top of the pyramid. You know, the uber respectable, ivy league educated rapists in Armani suits. Short sightedness is truly the biggest failure of humans.

      • CancelMyCard October 14, 2014 at 11:09 am #

        “If you want to demonize and deport somebody, start with the top of the pyramid.”

        Very well said.

        The scum always floats to the top. It needs to be scraped off and disposed of.

        • Frankiti October 14, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

          Yes because the world needs more people that can hang a shingle, dig a ditch, and man a fry vat and pop out 7 poorly bred kids… I’ll take the Ivy Leaguers in Armani.

          I’m tired of the old tropes and cliches; “they value family and are hard working”
          Most people place family first (and often the illegals here love family so much that they maintain one in each country) and anybody can be motivated to work hard in the employment underground when you can be replaced in an instant).

          • Subvert October 19, 2014 at 8:33 pm #

            Well Frankiti, you can have them….after the public is done crucifying them publicly….for profit! It’d make one helluva pay per view event and we could use the proceeds and their seized assets to benefit all the retirees whose retirement accounts they gambled away in the Casino D’Wall Street. …Hey, when you got gambling debts, Rocco and Vinny come along and help ya find yer wallet. Why should these criminals be treated any differently?

            “Most people place family first” Really? Is that why we have old folks homes and destitute seniors and veterans and the mentally ill comprising a huge proportion of our homeless folks. Where are their families, I wonder? I’ve worked with mentally ill folks for 25 years and I can tell you first hand, ain’t no love coming from these people’s families. Is it why children are dropped in brainwashing camps run by the government to be turned into corporate drones who can only “hang a shingle, dig a ditch and man a fry vat..”

            So your take seems to be: Reward the rich scumbags and heap derision upon the poor. Nice Ethics. Sounds like you’re cut from the same cloth as those Armani wearing fucks.

            Hubris and entitlement are poor substitutes for intellectual honesty and far-sighted intelligence my friend.

    • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

      “3 of 100 who built the Obamacare website in D.C. were Americans”:


      When I heard this I had to wonder why the government could not manage to find an American company with American workers to build the website that would be used for American health care?

  15. capt spaulding October 13, 2014 at 9:40 am #

    Lots of concern regarding preventing Ebola (Captain Trips) from getting established in America, but how about preventing the spread in Africa? I doubt that most African countries have effective preventetive measures in place. Since it’s already a 3rd world continent, what better place for establishing the plague, before it inevitably crosses to Europe, America, and the rest of the world? People don’t just travel from West Africa to America, they travel all over. Just sayin’.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:28 pm #

      yep. it is in spain. got there because of a couple of catholic priests.

  16. Ishabaka October 13, 2014 at 9:42 am #

    As posted last week, Mr. Duncan died, only one healthcare worker has caught Ebola – despite what would be comical bungling, if it weren’t so serious in a major Houston hospital, and widespread panic looms.

    Anyone who has ever worked in a hospital knows isolation measures are never 100% effective. It’s a risk that comes with the job. N95 masks are designed to prevent the spread of small bacteria, such as Mycobacterium Tuberculosis, against viri, they are as effective as a chain link fence against confetti.

    Instead of panicking, look up Marburg virus in Wikipedia for what is likely to happen here – an Africa Filovirus that causes hemorrhagic fever, very similar to Ebola, that was imported to Germany and Yugoslavia by infected African lab monkeys, caused thirty one infections and seven deaths – and then burnt out, because it’s hosts – some African fruit bats and birds – don’t reside in Europe.
    There is currently a small Marburg virus outbreak in Uganda.

    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 9:50 am #

      “Instead of panicking, look up Marburg…” Non-sequitur much?

    • the blame/e October 13, 2014 at 10:37 am #

      You are incorrect. The logic of this thesis is all wrong.

      The fleas that carried the Bubonic plague, the cats that carried plague, the fruit bats that carried Ebola — they all survived. Only infected human beings died, usually by unimaginable magnitudes. If you go back, only 6 to 8-months, and read the early interviews on Ebola, most were positively eerie, mainly in how wrong they were.

      “Ebola will never come to the US. Or “Ebola will never survive in the US.” Or “. . . our First World health care system will nip it in the bud.”

      So far, all I’ve seen are these authorities, like those in Texas, waving a tattered copy of Murphy’s Law before hemorrhagic fever and say: “I dare you. I double dare you.”

      Thus far, Ebola and death have obliged.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

      Hello Ishabaka,

      Are you the same person that wrote this article?


    • russ October 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm #

      Readers might be interested in browsing the link noted, which gives information of past outbreaks, including best estimates of numbers of people exposed and numbers of deaths which occurred.


      It would appear that once an outbreak occurs, the presence of a native “host” becomes irrelevant.

      “…Ebola is transmitted through bodily fluids and/or direct contact with infected individuals. It is believed to spread to human populations through contact with infected primates, as opposed to directly from natural reservoirs. The suspected natural sources of the virus are certain species of fruit bats. They have been found to carry the virus, but they themselves are asymptomatic, making them good candidates for natural reservoirs.

      Outbreaks of Ebola virus are often traced to an individual that has handled a gorilla or chimpanzee carcass. It is common for the virus to then spread to family members or hospital workers because of their close proximity to the victim. The virus spreads to people that come into contact with these patients’ blood or contaminated medical equipment. Because Ebola kills its victims so quickly and the outbreaks usually occur in isolated areas, the disease does not typically spread very far. Also, Ebola has an incubation period of up to 21 days, but is normally closer to 10 days, so infected persons do not have time to carry the disease very far. It is highly unlikely that Ebola could turn into a large epidemic.

      Oftentimes Ebola outbreaks are mistakenly classified initially as outbreaks of malaria, dysentery, influenza, typhoid fever or other bacterial infections because the early symptoms are similar and these infections are common in the same areas of Africa. This misinterpretation of symptoms can lead to the spread of Ebola within medical centers because necessary precautions are not taken.

      Transmission of Ebola virus among non-human animals is a little different. It is proposed that fruit bats drop partially eaten fruits that carry viruses in the bat saliva. Gorillas or other monkeys then eat the fruit, and therefore the virus as well. Gorilla carcasses have been found to contain multiple strains of Ebola virus. Decomposing bodies only remain infectious for three to four days after death, and gorillas do not typically interact among different groups, which means the victims were probably infected by several animal host reservoirs…”

      Looking at the highlighted excerpt, we can spot a few points:

      “… gorillas do not typically interact among different groups…”

      Yes, but people are not as wise as gorillas.

      “…Oftentimes Ebola outbreaks are mistakenly classified initially as outbreaks of malaria, dysentery, influenza, typhoid fever or other bacterial infections because the early symptoms are similar…”

      And so Mr. Duncan was initially sent home.

      “…It is common for the virus to then spread to family members or hospital workers because of their close proximity to the victim. The virus spreads to people that come into contact with these patients’ blood or contaminated medical equipment…”

      So, the virus no longer needs the fruit bats to be spread further.

      “…Because Ebola kills its victims so quickly and the outbreaks usually occur in isolated areas, the disease does not typically spread very far. Also, Ebola has an incubation period of up to 21 days, but is normally closer to 10 days, so infected persons do not have time to carry the disease very far…”

      Unless of course you jump on a plane.

      • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:07 pm #

        Hello Russ,

        Nicely put, Russ. Now please avoid spooking the hoople-heads.

        Thank You!


    • PeteAtomic October 13, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

      If the US is relying on infection control practices (and I mean practice, not theory) of hospital systems similar to the one I work at, then the US is gonna have WAY more cases of ebola then the Marburg virus.

      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

        time will tell…

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:43 pm #

      Do you understand the concept of erring on the side of caution? The old boy scout motto, “When in doubt, doubt”?

      We stop now or maybe never. It’s not Marburg and you don’t know for a fact that it will burn out. In Africa, it wiped out whole villages. This was the first time it erupted in a city and thus the current disaster.

      But feel comforted: gamblers like you are in charge. I’d prefer the opposite: guys who demand perfection on important issues of life and death. When we went to the moon, there were little or no margins for error. So they got the bugs out first. That’s what we’re dealing with now: little or no margin for error. Yet you want to play the odds like it was an election or a Las Vegas junket.

  17. the blame/e October 13, 2014 at 10:11 am #

    “Nothing concentrates a nation’s attention like the specter of the people next door bleeding out through their ears and noses.”

    JHK, I believe that you are being overly optimistic. Nothing will happen until our criminal shyster politicians and banksters, our moneyed elites, and our corporate oligarchs are bleeding out their ears and noses. And even then they will try to hide the facts for as long as they can.

    If the Crash of 2008 the resulting TARP, ZIRP, and serial QEs proved the authorities had all concluded that they were in full control of their authoritarianism. Their fully rigged, controlled and manipulated financial system can, and will, continue to hide the fact that the Crash of 08 was stopped in mid-fall, the rest has all been the Myth of Sisyphus, only instead of pushing the rock forever up the hill, we are watching as some fool idiot is already at the top of the hill holding the rock back from the tipping point at the top, down the other side of the fabled mountain debt.

    JHK, don’t worry about trying to get home. You have 21-days (that is if the CDC or any Texas health care professionals can be trusted), before trouble doubles again.

    Have a nice trip. Don’t sit next to any Duncans.

  18. seawolf77 October 13, 2014 at 10:21 am #

    Ebola is indeed terrifying.

    • Cassandra October 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm #

      Ebola is nature’s way of telling us that there are too many people.

      New population estimates predict that Africa’s population will QUADRUPLE by the end of the century.


      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

        no no no

        its natures way of getting rid of too many IGNORANT STUPID PEOPLE.

      • Subvert October 14, 2014 at 12:33 am #

        I second that. Mother Earth is shaking of an infestation of humans like a dog shakes off fleas. The Ignorant Stupid People as Karah so lovingly terms them are thus because of “the smartest guys in the room” who control the masses with ignorance.

        So who are the real Ignorant Stupid People? Those who believe what they’ve been indoctrinated with since birth or the short sighted greed-pigs who indoctrinated them to the end result of wiping out all life on Earth? It’s not the populace’s faulth that they’re here, it’s the fault of Totalitarian Agriculture, as controlled and adinistered by the short sighted, greed-blind Ruling Classes who know that People are made of FOOD. Reduce the amount of food you produce and the population follows. Always. Yet what do we do year after year (for 10,000 years)? We increase the food supply and thus the population. Then we bitch about population overshoot. Now That’s Stupid!

        • abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

          Speaking of “the smartest guys in the room” has anyone else noticed that “deer in the headlights” look that Dr. Friedan, the head of the C.D.C., has lately when he’s giving another statement?

          He’s probably also wearing a Depends.

          • Subvert October 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm #

            All I hear when I watch “the nooze” is Charlie Brown’s teacher talking….wah wha wha wha wha wah…. I tossed my TV out in 1995 and haven’t looked back. The weather is the only thing on the nooze with any integrity at all. And given their accuracy, that’s pretty sad.

            Like Dylan said “you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows…”

        • Karah October 16, 2014 at 6:02 pm #

          Yes, the war on ISPs is more important than the wars on IS, ISIS or ISIL!

  19. Greg Knepp October 13, 2014 at 10:22 am #

    Back in the mid-Pliocene the climate of central Africa began to dry, causing the rain forest to recede to the east. Certain arboreal primates that were evicted from their lush canopy home by this event were nonetheless able to avoid extinction by adapting to life on the expanding savannah – a setting quite foreign to the pesky little devils. The adverse effects of the primate intrusion on the eco-balance of the grassland environment were, at first, glacially slow, but ultimately proved catastrophic.

    Now, as the last remnants of the rain forest in that same part of the world are being cut down for timber and farm land, a new jungle intruder appears on the plain – a bat species forced from its leafy home only to wreak bloody havoc on the smart ape and his manufactured world.

    There is a balance to all this…and a patience. As Jeshua ben Jusef put it, “it must be that offences shall come; but woe be it to the offender.”

    • Greg Knepp October 13, 2014 at 10:39 am #

      Correction: the rain forest receded to the west – not the east.

  20. Malthus October 13, 2014 at 10:29 am #

    “For the moment, I’m in Washington for a conference on population and immigration.” About time someone to be taking the population bomb seriously.

    • Cassandra October 13, 2014 at 4:01 pm #

      As the inimitable Ed Abbey put it, “Too many people fucking, too many fucking people.”

      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:45 pm #

        too many stupid people. jhk should be staying home procreating some smart people.

      • Subvert October 14, 2014 at 12:48 am #

        No, it’s too many people FARMING that is the problem.

        People fucking is just the natural way of life on Earth and frankly, we need much more of it. A society that doesn’t fuck enough wants to fight instead. Women who engage in lots of physical activity can go many months between menstrual cycles, so fucking doesn’t equal birthing in all cases, just in sedentary societies. People are made of food; reduce the food, reduce the poulation. This is a constant. Science has proved this to be true repeatedly and yet the governments of the world call for higher food production every year. Then they’re so surprised when the population grows. If you doubt this, then I suggest reading Daniel Quinn’s “Ishmael” and it’s two sequels and watching “Life at the End of Empire: What a Way to Go” on Youtube. We’ve been lied to for 10K years, it’s time we took hold of the truth and lived accordingly.

      • sprezzatura October 15, 2014 at 11:26 am #

        I think we really need to question whether certain parts of our Judeo-Christian doctrine are still applicable:

        “And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.” (Genesis 9:7)

        That was great advice ten thousand years ago.

        • Karah October 15, 2014 at 7:55 pm #

          He told PERFECT people to do that….who ended up doing something really stupid…and they made a lot of stupid people who made more stupid people…but there were some smart people still in the mix!

          Therefore, we have hope.

  21. stelmosfire October 13, 2014 at 10:30 am #

    Hunker down my friends, Hunker down, You won’t catch me in an aluminum tube with 300 sniffling strangers from foreign lands at 37,000 feet. Call me paranoid, just don’t call me late for dinner. Stock -up on canned goods , (preferably your own),isolation suits, n-95 masks, nitrile gloves, and calcium hypochlorite ( alcohol doesn’t kill this shit) I’ve got a bunch, ( bleach and ethanol :o) )they really take up very little room and weigh next to nothing. If you swing on by the homestead to purchase a few I’ll hand them through the mail slot and boil your envelope of junk silver and microwave my suit for 180 seconds. That’s if I still have fuel to run the darn thing. Don’t even think of coming in my locked fenced yard without calling first. My wife is even more freaked about this than myself. Her Grand pappy passed in 1918 during the Spanish Flu Epidemic. A healthy young stone mason fresh back from The Great War, What the vermin invested trenches or the Kaiser’s shells could not due, a microbe did. Just like H.G. Wells ” War of the Worlds”.

  22. MrColdWaterOfRealityMan October 13, 2014 at 10:54 am #

    What nobody seems to be considering here is that Ebola is now a permanent part of the social landscape – an issue that we will most likely have to consider for the rest of our lives.

    The cat is out of the bag, and on a plane to wherever said cat considers it to be safer. Cats will soon be showing up not just in Dallas, but in Guatemala, India, Zanzibar, Russa and Myanmar.

    And if the USA can’t contain an outbreak, how do you think the first third world country outside of Africa will fare?

    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 11:29 am #

      Good question, let’s see… it’s high time the CIA started donating Ebola-blankets to ISIS. What’s the worst that can happen, a particularly nutty part of the world free from nuts?

      • Karah October 13, 2014 at 10:48 pm #

        syria tried to do it and got in trouble for breaking the geneva convention.

      • stelmosfire October 14, 2014 at 8:17 am #


        So where were the parents? I can’t wait to see the settlement after the blood sucking lawyers get involved. Sheet sue everybody! Manufactures, property owners, landlords, anybody but the parents responsible for this tragic event. I feel bad for the kids. When I was a kid my parents actually paid attention to what I was doing.

    • stelmosfire October 14, 2014 at 8:21 am #

      cat out of the bag? put him the microwave for 90 seconds, that ought to teach those nasty ebola viruses to not mess with the cat again! Sorry for the bad joke cat lovers, I happen to like cats, best mousers God ever created!

  23. barbisbest October 13, 2014 at 10:55 am #

    Don’t be too hard on yourself Seawolf77. Peace within. There is no more karma. We all swallowed the “truths” we were told.

    • seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 9:06 am #

      All I want is for people to acknowledge it. Grow up as they say. Do I understand they couldn’t tell us the nasty truth in grade school. Maybe. America destroyed one people and enslaved another. We live in the “Overlook Hotel,” as Kubrick would say.

  24. Buck Stud October 13, 2014 at 11:07 am #

    Does possibly mean that a person shouldn’t go to their local 24 hour fitness center to share sweat and air? Or to the local professional sporting event where “Fat Ass” might spill his beer all over you from one row back? Or what about schools– would parents risk sending their kids?

    Ditto for the local mail; who the hell licked that envelope anyway? And is that really my drink I left sitting at the bar… did I flush the toilet handle that somebody else used?

    Should I wear a pair of gloves when buying a new pair of gloves?

    It’s really not hard to envision a scenario in which a relatively small number of Ebola victims could translate into mass hysteria and a corresponding jolt to economic activity

    • Smoky Joe October 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm #

      One more case or even a hint that the virus has mutated and gone airborne, Buck, and we are there.

      I know it’s unlikely, say the specialists. But the folks spamming stories with hysteria at CNN are not likely to listen to anyone who does not confirm what they already believe.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:11 pm #

      “Small disasters cause panic, Panic causes large disasters”.

      Panic: Mayhem’s merry lil’ helper!

  25. Cincinnatus October 13, 2014 at 11:11 am #

    I’m not so worried about Ebola as it’s by no means certain that it can go airborne. Also, I don’t live in Europe, where the borders with Africa are uncloseable. Human tragedy it is, but not in the States.

    Another thing, though, Jim. You’ve long used the meme of motoring to Walmart as the great aspiration of Americans. That’s been true for a long time, but is starting to change, and for the worst of reasons. The continuing decline of the middle and lower classes in this country is actually now undermining Walmart itself. Low wages and stagnant incomes are supporting the rise of even cheaper stores.
    The largest growing of the low-end retailers is now Dollar Store. Walmart’s non-living wage is coming home to roost as its employees can’t make ends meet shopping at their own employer.
    If you’ve never been to the Dollar Store, it’s a purveyor of disposable, worthless crap to clutter your abode and poison your body with processed “food”. The quality reminds me strongly of the markets I witnessed in Kazakhstan during a visit in 2001,when that country was still recovering from a near-famine period following the collapse of the USSR.
    Meanwhile, I’m in the upper middle class, roughly, and would feel secure about that if I saw any prospect of saving for my kids’ college and my retirement, which I hope will be feasible if I make it my mid-70s. But education costs continually outpace income gains, housing is over-priced, etc. etc.
    I got a bit of land, so hopefully we can at least start to cut our food costs, and thankfully I can make my hour-plus commute to work by light rail that remains currently affordable.
    Sometimes I think collapse would reduce the burden of stress, but there are guns out the wazoo among the people in this area, so I do know better. And there’s not really such a thing as “community” in the suburbs of large cities, so even our friends are too spread out to form a safety net when it all goes down.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm #

      re | “The largest growing of the low-end retailers is now Dollar Store. Walmart’s non-living wage is coming home to roost as its employees can’t make ends meet shopping at their own employer.”-cincin.

      Yes, wasn’t it ironic when the worlds largest retailer and private employer (whose employees form the largest civilian group of workers-needing-SNAP assistance) started complaining about their customer-base not being able to afford their wares?

      MY, my… *my*. The snake may eat it’s tail, but not forever.

    • Apneaman October 13, 2014 at 2:40 pm #

      You are the umpteenth person, I have come across on peak oil/collapse comment sections who believes collapse will happen or is likely, yet believes that it will only inconvenience their “upper middle class” life. Tell yourself.

      • Cincinnatus October 14, 2014 at 12:08 pm #

        No, my point was that I wish things might improve. I’m under no illusions about what collapse would actually be like, and it ain’t pretty. To quote Jim, I’ll know we’re energy independent when I’m walking to my new job harvesting potatoes on the town green.

    • Subvert October 14, 2014 at 1:13 am #

      @ Cincinatus, Do your kids a favor and don’t send them to college to be brainwashed by the elites program of disinformation. Their degrees will be worthless in the non-economy anyway. Give them an education with Survival Value and send them to a Permaculture Design Certificate (PDC) course either locally or online with PRI the Permaculture Research Institute in Australia. The online course is amazing! Having taken it and taken a hands on PDC here in the states, I can say that I missed out on a lot of info in the hands on course, but then again, the hands on part was also beneficial, so if you can do both, please do.

      It’ll cost about a grand and give them the skills and resources to become self-sufficient and resilient. I guarantee that no MBA’s or PHD’s from Harvard will know how to survive in the coming world and thank goodness for that! LOL.

      After they graduate the course, they can network to find other “Permies” locally and create a Tribe that will give them (and you) the best chance possible of surviving and thriving. Permaculture goes way beyond “sustainability” it is not just “carbon neutral” it’s Carbon Positive. You can find out about PRI and PDC courses at permaculturenews.org or at permaculture.org.au permies.com is another great site based in Montana, and a great place to both begin your education and link up with resources and like minded people.


  26. Civility118 October 13, 2014 at 11:16 am #

    If a voluntarily quarantined white American doctor allegedly can’t resist sneaking out to get a sandwich, what hope is there for a drug addict?

    Denial is one of our largest barriers. Case in point that the media is barely talking about is CNN’s Chief Medical Officer, Nancy Snyderman, and her crew who went to Liberia in early October to report on Ebola. Her cameraman caught it and is now in a Nebraska hospital. Dr. Snyderman did the right thing initially when she voluntarily placed herself and staff under quarantine.

    Half-way through the 21 day quarantine, several people reported seeing her waiting in a car while another picked up carryout food at a restaurant – that also does catering. A day or two later, the NJ Health Dept ordered a mandatory quarantine for her and her crew.

    While I admire her work and courage to cover that story, her allegedly breaking quarantine illustrates the universality of human nature and denial.

    Dr. Syderman isn’t an illiterate black Liberian who lived her whole life in a small rural village with no plumbing, you know, the kind of people whom too many commenters are extremely critical of because of their race and poverty. These haters are still ranting about Africans when the problem is all of us.

    Dr. Snyderman and her crew are well-educated white Americans and she’s a doctor – who knows a great deal about the disease and knows better – but she and her crew are human first. As such they too are vulnerable to denial, or, the “not me! I’m fine!” way of thinking where the heart tricks the mind in a moment of need. Because of her high social status and race the story is already barely reported in the media. The problem with this is that people who have certain social protections are as high a risk for transmitting Ebola if it comes here. The chance is excellent that we’ll never read about most of them because they’ll have an army of attorneys hiding them behind patient confidentiality laws.

    Excellent hospital care will not be enough to stop this disease, whether it’s the general public here or with our military and health providers over there. They need to add into the Ebola budget the comfort foods and things that keep individuals rely on to feel good, whether it’s cigarettes, beer, carryout, or crack, and even an armed guard at the door for the addicts and mentally ill – although again, the rich will fly under the radar. Building this into the budget will be only pennies compared to treating one additional Ebola patient they might infect.



    • And So It Goes October 13, 2014 at 12:39 pm #


      Love your name, love your exposé. The cat is out of the bag.

      • Civility118 October 13, 2014 at 3:06 pm #

        Thanks. I try to live by it. It’s not always easy but the name is a reminder of the importance of civility and tolerance toward one another, and that:

        1. Everyone including me is limited to some degree by their life experience and how much history of other groups that they don’t know about or understand, and how much positive or negative interaction they’ve had with others outside of their social circle;

        2. That most people are good or at least good enough, and,

        3. That to understand one another better is generally accomplished by diplomacy and empathy, “walk a mile in his/her shoes” which is critical, because who hasn’t made mistakes?

        Btw, if you’re thinking that I wrote the stories on those links, no, that was probably a Princeton college kid or grad. I’m Kunstler’s approximate age, and read an awful lot in my spare time. I’ve been following him since he published ‘The Long Emergency’, which opened my eyes to that set of problems.

        This Ebola thing has me very concerned, but so does Fukushima radiation leaks; now there’s a problem that hasn’t gone anywhere, along with global warming and endless war planning that could lead to strike three we’re out: the Last World War.

        It’s like humanity is at an extremely dangerous set of crossroads, where there’s only one way out: to collectively make the choice that we all put aside our differences and self-interests and work toward improving lives and the safety of each other and the planet.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

      re | “If a voluntarily quarantined white American doctor allegedly can’t resist sneaking out to get a sandwich, what hope is there for a drug addict?”-civility.

      And what hope is there when (not if) the malady reaches India, a place that never got a grip on public sanitation?

      Where food is fertilized with human fecal matter, and the farmers habitually defecate in their fields, then ship tons of ‘fresh produce’ to market – still spattered with farmer-‘fecality’?

      Hmmm, densely populated, hemmed in by an ocean and two nuclear-armed neighbors… Could be an interesting outcome.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:50 pm #

      She’s a media star and this was to be her biggest moment. Like all media personalities, she’s distorted as a human being. The ad for her Ebola special showed her with a look of concern on her face. They love posturing. If for no other reason, the CDC wanted in on these “concern” type roles. And instead of having to go there, why not bring it here? It makes it so much easier.

      And remember, the CDC has a patent on one strain of Ebola. Contemplate the many possible implications of that.

  27. barbisbest October 13, 2014 at 11:24 am #

    Response to Seawolf77. By the By, not all Native Americans were killed, directly, some were put on the worst land available. Some tribes were most likely more savage than others, the Cherokee were pretty docile. Native Americans were very spiritual. I myself won’t celebrate Thanksgiving again, a favorite. But, if I’m lucky, a harvest dinner.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

      The Indians get the best benefits of all now. A few years ago the Black descendants of the Black slaves of the Cherokees tried to get into the tribe to get those benefits. But a great Chief arose and told the Tribe, Those freemen will suck you dry. The Tribe listened and kicked the Blacks to the curb.

      On Thanksgiving, I will be thanking God for his Bounty and for the victory over the Indians that made America possible. May He grant us victory over the many enemies who now threaten our Land, enemies both from within our race and without.

  28. contrahend October 13, 2014 at 11:28 am #

    an ebola vaccine will appear within two months.

    you can bank on it.


  29. lsjogren October 13, 2014 at 11:48 am #

    Jim, how cruel to pour cold water on the “don’t worry be happy” progressive brigade.

  30. ozone October 13, 2014 at 11:53 am #

    Aside from JHK (and a sparse few here) I’m not seeing much in the way of holistic and outside-the-box thinking on this very dangerous set of equations. I find that more worry-inducing than anything… and I’m certainly not a “panicker”. Read this for more on cascading effects and a sensible quarantine regimen.


    “If one more person in that chain of circumstance falls ill, Rick Perry will have to ring-fence Dallas faster than you can say Guadalupe Hidalgo and then we’ll be off to the quarantine races in America.” –JHK

    I can’t envision a better place for the Red Death to manifest itself in the land of the exceptional. Remember President Kennedy’s excursion to the place one does not “mess with”? Look into his reception to beautiful Dallas/Fort Worth (aside from the fateful open-car jaunt that wended through Deely Plaza). …Take it on faith (all you faith-takers) that da Deb’bil doesn’t have to work very hard in that region — which would be exactly his favorite M.O.

    “How long do we pretend that all the refugees are welcome to come here, bleeding from their eyes and noses, as their dreams of laying sod for $6-an-hour or slaughtering chickens for the greater glory of Colonel Sanders collide with the diminishing returns of yet another Elon Musk sales pitch for the blessed denizens of Palo Alto aspiring to Godhood?” — JHK

    I, for one, am unsure of the continuation of the dreamstate of Kali-fornia. Drought and whaaaat?


    The pooch may already be irredeemably screwt; ain’t got water and you ain’t got squat.

    Who’s finishing up with the false hope and preparing accordingly… and who’s not? …And why?

    Aside to JHK:
    Thoroughly enjoying “A History of the Future”. You’ve mixed your exposition so well into the melange of your story that it moves along seamlessly. (Also, just enough “recap” to recall the characters without being intrusive.) I’m transported to my preferred mode of reading where I no longer notice words on paper and simply see unfolding visions of persons and places. Most excellent! Thanks very much. (And I must thank my sister for buying me a copy as well! 😉 )

    “The Mexican Flu”, eh?

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:22 pm #

      “Read this for more on cascading effects and a sensible quarantine regimen.”-oz.



  31. Smoky Joe October 13, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

    Before reading JHK’s latest, I made the dumbass mistake of checking CNN. I just had to look…and ended up grabbing the sides of my head while screaming.

    One thing would be worse than an ebola outbreak in the USA: the crazy panic that would follow. If you don’t believe me, have a peek at the comments over there.

    As for the disease itself? I’m with another commenter here: vaccine in a few months, now that ebola could affect the First World.

    At one time, not so many generations back, we had the ability politically to cope with global crises. I’m reading Nichols’ book Eisenhower 1956 and am stunned by how skillfully Ike avoided a Third World War by standing up to the USSR, the U.K., France, and Israel. We lost Hungary, but such was Realpolitik.

    Ike noted, just before the ’56 election, that he didn’t give a damn if his decisions cost him the election. He put world peace ahead of reelection. Imagine Obama or the G.O.P. trying that today to prevent a global pandemic. Nah. Might lose some seats in the Senate or House…

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:07 pm #

      re | “Ike noted, just before the ’56 election, that he didn’t give a damn if his decisions cost him the election. He put world peace ahead of reelection. Imagine Obama or the G.O.P. trying that today to prevent a global pandemic. Nah. Might lose some seats in the Senate or House…”-SJ.

      Yes, it is hard to imagine actual Leadership in high office these days, isn’t it?

      Well, that’s something that’s been strongly suppressed for the past 40 years or so.

      And here we are!

    • And So It Goes October 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

      Still waiting for a the HIV vaccine.

    • Beryl of Oyl October 13, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

      That fits with the conspiracy theories. We had to have Ebola in a First World Country where the population could pay for a vaccine.

    • Apneaman October 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

      “At one time, not so many generations back, we had the ability politically to cope with global crises.”

      Spot on Smoky Joe. Even 25 years ago the wealthy countries would have been all over it. Today, we get the head of the CDC worrying about the airline industry and the economy. No matter what department, it seems that every government bureaucrats first priority is now the economy.

  32. MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 12:02 pm #

    Good & ‘Marvelous Monday’ morning to you all,

    re | “and public relations can only work as a place-holder for authentic economic relations for so long before the ominous shadow of reality sweeps in on black swan wings.”-J H K.

    The author of the book ‘The Black Swan’ uses a little story in the first chapter to illustrate how a ‘Black Swan’ works:

    There’s a young turkey living in a turkey farm – with thousands of other squawking, gobbling turkeys – and a farmer comes and feeds him every day. For 999 days the farmer feeds the turkey in full and on time. For this, the young turkey loves and trusts the farmer, looking forward to each and every visit.

    Then, on the 1000th day, the farmer doesn’t feed the turkey…


    That’s how ‘unforeseen’ Black Swan Events are, and how inductive-reasoning fallacies work.

    The average person must like getting blind-sided, I guess.

  33. ozone October 13, 2014 at 12:03 pm #

    One last thing. Knowing what I do about air-handling systems aboard the sky-buses, I’m not all that certain about “containment”. All the Best to anyone who is obliged to use them; now is perhaps better than a bit later though.

  34. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 12:30 pm #

    The spread of Ebola in a new locale is exponential, so in the beginning it’s a bit like cooking bacon in a cast-iron skillet on medium heat. It starts slow and remains slow for some time. You get impatient and turn to do something else whilst (haha) you’re waiting, and before you know it the bacon is blackened and the stove’s on fire and you’re choking from all the smoke.

    Beds Are Burning – Midnight Oil

    The time has come
    To say fair’s fair
    To pay the rent
    To pay our share
    The time has come
    A fact’s a fact
    It belongs to them
    Let’s give it back

    How can we dance when our earth is turning
    How do we sleep while our beds are burning

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 6:45 pm #

      You should audition for Lilith Faire. Lilith was Adam’s wife before Eve. She turned out to be a whore so He got rid of her.

  35. And So It Goes October 13, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

    Well Said…

  36. Beryl of Oyl October 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    Reasonable concern based on what we’re seeing, that this isn’t being handled as well as it could be, isn’t the same thing as ‘panic’.
    Just who is in charge, for one thing? Why isn’t there one person out there, telling us “don’t worry, I’ve got this”?
    I’ve always thought that Dr. Nancy Snyderman was a nitwit.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

      In the ad for the Ebola special, the narrator asked in an upbeat voice, “Is America ready for Ebola”? As if it was a good thing or at least no more than the flu or an issue of winter tires.

      Just a day ago, one police type guy was calling the infected nurse “a hero”. That’s really frightening because America always loves such heroes and will do anything to get more of them.

      What I’m trying to say: America seems to be accepting Ebola when it doesn’t have to. And that’s infuriating. And this demented message is coming from the top – from the people who are supposed to protect us.

      • AKlein October 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm #

        Janos, perhaps we have to accept Ebola for the same reasons we have to accept that granny must be groped by the TSA at the airport even though reason and experience would dictate she is no threat. But think of the bright side; we can all bask in being totally PC as we bleed out our bodily orifices. Now we can really “feel their pain.” This is the result of our “leadership” working its agenda.

  37. meargen October 13, 2014 at 1:19 pm #

    I’m disappointed no one in authority takes measures like quarantines. I think in Spain, where a dog was possibly carrying Ebola, there was an outcry not to kill it. Western civilization has become almost too comfortable to defend itself, like the Eloi vs the Morlocks in The Time Machine.

    I think about movies: Contagion, Panic in the Streets.
    I also read Charle Brockden Brown’s Ormond, an American novel written in the 1790’s, where he describes yellow fever wiping out a third of Philadelphia, and how a daughter and her father survive on eating hasty pudding for weeks. I wrote a screenplay of it, showing how helpless society becomes at sickness that can’t be cured.

    Also, unchecked migration is bringing TB and other diseases back to America, but the rich figure they can isolate themselves; amazing how there is no public or civic unity anymore. Thank you, globalism.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

      re | “but the rich figure they can isolate themselves; amazing how there is no public or civic unity anymore. Thank you, globalism.”-meargen.

      It’s interesting how forcing Globalism on the ‘masses’ enhanced Provinciality in the economic elite.

      They’ve become positively… *comment dites-vous?*… Baronial!…


  38. stelmosfire October 13, 2014 at 1:21 pm #


    So where were the parents? I can’t wait to see the settlement after the blood sucking lawyers get involved. Sheet sue everybody! Manufactures, property owners, landlords, anybody but the parents responsible for this tragic event. I feel bad for the kids. When I was a kid my parents actually paid attention to what I was doing.

  39. the blame/e October 13, 2014 at 2:10 pm #

    In case you haven’t heard, due to the failures in just about every attempt to control Ebola in Texas, U.S. authorities today now want to keep the infected out of all U.S. ERs and establish Ebola camps, where anyone suspected of being infected or of carrying the disease will be sent. The rationale being that Ebola has been effectively shutting down ERs because no working protocols currently exist to deal with Ebola, unless you like killing off expendable nurses, as the CDC has said. The CDC just apologized for blaming the nurses for infecting themselves with Ebola. Did you know that the Centers for Disease Control is spelled FEMA.

    • MisterDarling October 13, 2014 at 2:33 pm #

      re | “ERs and establish Ebola camps, where anyone suspected of being infected or of carrying the disease will be sent.”-blame.

      Well, wouldn’t that be convenient?

    • russ October 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm #

      Well, that sounds humane doesn’t it? It’s one thing to run a system of internment camps for Japanese Americans – the basic assumption being that “Japanese” isn’t catching, so you’re safe in herding them up.

      But who is going to ship all these persons suspected of being infected or carrying the Ebola virus to the Ebola camp(s)? And by whose word do we take it someone has been exposed or has the disease, if we lop trained medical personnel out of the picture?

      And who drives the bus, the train, flies the plane, etc., to get these people the Ebola camp? This all sounds like Andersonville meets Auschwitz meets Cambodia under the Khymer Rouge.

      Maybe this is how we will justify drone strikes in the country. Cheerful thought, huh?


      But I am glad to hear CDC apologized to the nurses for not following “protocol”. Those “Level A” outfits define the term uncomfortable, and I can see how easy it would be to slip up in being a little too eager to try to take the thing off. I wonder if someone is supposed to stand by and scrub the person – in the medical outfit working with the patient – down with some sort of bleach solution before it really gets taken off. Maybe that was the “protocol breach” – but we’re not being told that.

  40. oldnurse October 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm #

    Quarantine is an intelligent and time-honored approach to preventing the spread of communicable diseases. It works. It’s not a government plot,it’s not a conspiracy, it’s not a curtailment of our civil liberties and a slide to fascism. It’s good medical care. People need to get a grip.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 3:05 pm #

      Yes, but are you asking us to trust the people who intentionally let the disease into America? We can’t. They have abused our trust too often now.

      You say that it wasn’t intentional just sheer incompetence? Are you then asking us to trust incompetents? Fear and distrust are normal feelings that can help keep us alive. If you find yourself next to an obvious wacko on the road, do you trust him or her? Or do you not get the hell away from them?

      Unearned Trust is for sheep being lead to the slaughter house. Real Sheep with long legs and curved horns don’t trust people. They had to be bred down to “trust” like that. Americans have been dumbed down and yes, bred down too.

    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

      Precisely. That is why certain West African countries should be quarantined from commercial air travel.

  41. barbisbest October 13, 2014 at 2:58 pm #

    Frankiti. Truth is difficult. You are hard on Seawolf77. Read Howard Zinn’s the People’s History of the United States. The truth is the truth. Does that mean it’s okay to kill a people off, any peoples or anything that the we has done?

    Does that make it okay? Can it be justified? The truth can be difficult.
    Just because you protest; it does not change the truth. Too bad we aren’t taught it in parochial school.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

      Thank you for mentioning the Bible of the Left – too sacred to be casually discussed. Zinn has nothing good to say about America – in other words, he’s a traitor. Why has his scandalous, vicious book been taught in every University in the Land? That’s a disgrace and evidence of a mass conspiracy against the American people.

      America exists because of the conquest of the Indians. Any who don’t agree with it should leave. That’s what’s called existential authenticity. But instead such people stay and try to undermine the nation. They are the enemy within and yes, there are tens of millions of them – or perhaps more! And as Cicero said, the most deadly enemy is the enemy within. America has been undermined, eaten out from within by the termites of the Left – who are in league with the Corporations who funded the long march through the institutions. You have no moral high ground here – None.

      • seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 9:51 am #

        “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

        – Hermann Goering

      • Subvert October 19, 2014 at 10:04 pm #

        Janos, Patriotism is just racism with a flag. An unquestioning loyalty to a place you had no choice in being born into. If you were born in any other country, you would be loyal to that little artificially fenced off area of the whole planet. This is why patriotism makes no sense. We all live on the same planet and what is done in one place affects every other place. This small minded “my country vs yours” bullshit is like little kids fighting in the sand box because they can’t learn to share thier toys. Pathetic.

        Be loyal to the planet that sustains your life, not some artifice of the elites who decided to murder the original inhabitants, enslave people from other places and force them to “develop” it into what the elites arrogantly decided was “the only right way for everyone to live.”

        The fact that Zinn points out the facts of what really happened in this country based on genocide, theft and slavery does not make what he says traitorous. It just makes it hard to deal with for people with blind, unexamined faith in the absolute rightness of Merkuh and the corruption for which she stands, one nation, divided and conquered, with liberty and justice for none.

        By way of metaphor, let’s say a kid in an abusive family speaks out about the abuses he’s suffering and the long history of abuse in his family line. Is he a “familial traitor”? Or is he simply speaking his truth and pointing out things that aren’t good with the hopes of having those things change and the family become a positive place for future children to grow up in?

        His silence and complicity with his dysfunctional family would just be manifestations of Stockholm Syndrome and/or codependency, not “familial patriotism”. It would also be chickenshit and would guarantee that his future family members would grow up in the same mess.

        Zinn is doing nothing different that that child in speaking out against the dysfuntion of this cuntry. He wants it to get better for future generations.

    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

      Truth is not difficult. Howard Zinn is an apologist revisionist. The truth is that in this world you are guaranteed only one birth-right; death. No more, no less. There is no okay, there is only thus. Accept thus.

    • seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 10:54 am #

      The truth is we are taught how to murder and commit genocide in grade school. Create another reason for the dastardly deed. Here most of us believe Hitelr had a pathological hatred of Jews. Truth is he had a pathological love for the wealth they possessed, and like the bloody red savages of America, the vermin like Jews were extermianted and their wealth confiscated. That wealth financed the German war effort to the tune of 30%.

      • Frankiti October 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm #

        Thanks, dummy, for proving Godwin’s Law. The dimwits that haunt message boards seldom have anything interesting or original to say despite the probability when you’re talking about thousands upon thousands of posts… Nazis? Check! Jews? Check? Faked lunar landing? Check! No wonder why the author does his best to avoid the lunatic fringe commenting away.

        • seawolf77 October 15, 2014 at 10:51 am #

          And all this time I thought farts came out of assholes.

          • Frankiti October 15, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

            That’s an improvement. At least… you didn’t bring up Nazis or Jews or some chicken-little conspiracy peddled around these parts. Gold star for you.

  42. Mr. Duck October 13, 2014 at 3:06 pm #

    Wow. I happen to know and work with the nurse that JHK refers to in this week’s post. She’s a totally dedicated and selfless individual who has and does go out of her way to help her patients. That she got infected is a tragedy.

    When did Jim Kunstler become so bitter and mean motherfucker? Language like “ordinary civilians that this nurse was consorting with off-work, after she took off her haz-mat suit..” and the comments about the steam table are breathtakingly condescending. I expect they were contrived in the name of being clever and “knowing the truth,” a trademark of JHK’s non-fiction writing.

    Nurses are on the front lines of every health crisis, whether personal or global. Good god, JHK, when you got admitted to the hospital for your various boomer maladies, nurses were the ones who made sure you got the proper care, were safe and comfortable, and made it out of the hospital alive. You might be a little more respectful of them.

    There is a lot of crap going on in the world. Involved in all of it are real people, not really all that different from you. Those of you who are rooting for the end of the world might think about that.

    Especially since the world is not going to collapse very soon (sorry) and many of you (or people you care about) will be relying on the medical establishment to deal with your health crisis. That establishment will not be wealthy corporate oligarchs or faceless corporations. It will be real people who happen to be doctors, nurses, and orderlies who clean up your (or your loved one’s) puke and poop.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 3:15 pm #

      How did you feel about the CDC saying she violated the protocols? She may have but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Protocols were inadequate. Yes, she’s a Hero, but Americans always want more heroes – in other words, they’re being seduced into accepting the presence of Ebola when it could be stopped from coming here.

      • Mr. Duck October 13, 2014 at 3:31 pm #

        I think the CDC’s “violating the protocols” is their pat answer. She didn’t violate any protocols. Hospital staff got maybe 15 minutes of training. Maybe the haz-mat suit had a tear. Maybe the janitorial staff, after cleaning the room after the patient died, missed a spot. There could be a thousand reasons.

        My point is that when crap happens, there are real people behind it. It’s very easy for internet know-it-alls (and I count both JHK and you in that group) to criticize from the sidelines.

        From my readings of your many posts, you seem to know the truth. Maybe you should for run for office or become the benevolent despot who solves all our problems. We could use a hero like you.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

          No if you read closer you’d see that I know that I don’t know the whole truth. And I also know that the CDC doesn’t either – and that they are lying to us. And my inescapable conclusion is that very powerful people want this disease here for some reason. Beyond that I can only speculate – as is my right.

          You obviously have a rotten attitude if you object to free thinking. And btw, she wasn’t wearing a hazmat suit. You’re misinformed or being duplicitous.

          • Mr. Duck October 13, 2014 at 10:11 pm #

            Yes, you have a constitutional (and god-given) right to be an idiot. A right you exercise regularly.

          • Karah October 13, 2014 at 11:09 pm #

            …and you are a quack?

          • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 12:15 am #

            And long may the Duck Dynasty reign. Righteous Christian guys with beards – American needs more of them. You don’t love God and can’t grow a beard.

  43. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 3:12 pm #

    Just a day ago, one police type guy was calling the infected nurse “a hero”. That’s really frightening because America always loves such heroes and will do anything to get more of them.

    Ebola loves 1st Responders. What works for 9/11 won’t work for Ebola — it wants heroes to run into its burning buildings — it’s how it propagates.

  44. Cold N. Holefield October 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

    Watch, Apple will have an Ebola app out in no time to complement their watch. It will show you how the disease is progressing within your body before and during symptom manifestation. There’s an app for everything, even your demise. It’s what makes America great. Apps R Us.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 11:13 pm #

      appy people are obedient people?

      “my app to,d me to quarantine because the built in gps tracker had me within a ten mile radius of nuse x on a windy day at seven pm…”

    • barbisbest October 14, 2014 at 6:32 am #

      Yep, and there’s the oceans are warming. Wait, there’s an app for that.

  45. BackRowHeckler October 13, 2014 at 3:26 pm #

    And Jim, what about this other mysterious disease loose here, EV-68, whose symptoms closely resemble meningitis, influenza and polio, which has paralyzed several dozen very young children and has killed 8 more, making it 8 times more deadly than Ebola in the USA (so far)?

    Its raging thru unprepared school systems where 75000 Central American unscreened and uninnoculated illegals were dropped quite suddenly. These young American school kids never knew what hit them. I know, I know, these dead kids aren’t ‘Dreamers’ who can’t be used for pandering and future votes, who gives a sh-t about them?


  46. BackRowHeckler October 13, 2014 at 3:33 pm #

    Oh yes Happy Indigenous Peoples Day!!!

    That’s what we call it now in the people’s republic.

    We’re headed toward a time of new holidays to recognize the changed demographics in the USA. Martin Luther King Day will the only one to survive from the old order. Expect at least a revised Cinco de Mayo to become a national holiday, as well as a national holiday to celebrate ‘gay marriage’.

    Christmas might be the first to go.


    • Frankiti October 13, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

      No Xmas will be called what it truly is, Saturnalia… and this will be good because ALL middle eastern religions are insane.

  47. San Jose October 13, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

    This Ebola thing is making my ancestral “be prepared” DNA to be activated. ( I was born in Salt Lake and have pioneer genes!)

    I want to be prepared in there is a quarantine in San Jose, and not have to go out for supplies. (Nancy Snyderman is a bitch, BTW.) In the past week I’ve bought 15 giant, sealed aluminum cans of rice, beans, oatmeal, sugar, dried apples and onions to add to my supplies. (Though I’m not a practicing Mormon, I’ve got lots of Mormon friends, and one of them supplied me with the link to purchase emergency supplies from the church.) I’ve also purchased several extra gallons of bleach and I have four big, full tanks of propane.

    I’m sure the CDC would say I’m over-reacting.

    Jen in San Jose

    • Q. Shtik October 13, 2014 at 9:06 pm #

      Hello again Jose Mom.

      • San Jose October 14, 2014 at 1:25 pm #

        Hope all is well with you Q!

  48. Buck Stud October 13, 2014 at 3:53 pm #

    A couple a weeks ago I drove a neighbor to the emergency room because they were having some stomach issues. I suggested an ambulance but they must have not been too confident about what their insurance would cover or not so we just drove. When we arrived their–a Kaiser facility–they took this person into ‘triage’ and then had them wait in the waiting room. I saw this process repeat for about ten more patients and the waiting room was standing room only.

    Two and half hours later we were still waiting–along with everybody else–and finally I went up and asked how long was it going to be? They shrugged and muttered something about ‘open beds’.

    An hour later and my friend was feeling better so we basically said fuck it, let’s go, and try and wait it out till the specialist appointment in a few weeks.

    It seems if a person wants emergency room treatment then ambulance is the way to go.

    Prepared for Ebola—LMAO.

  49. Buck Stud October 13, 2014 at 3:56 pm #

    And BTW, if getting out front of this potential crisis represents a drag on economic activity, just wait till Ebola takes the lead.

    “Who prepares the meals in this restaurant?”

  50. nclaughlin October 13, 2014 at 4:46 pm #

    Although it might not make much of a difference, Senate Republicans, bowing to NRA extremists, have refused to allow a vote on Obama’s nominee for Surgeon General, Vivek Murthy. This is more evidence that our political institutions are deadlocked and can’t get anything done.

    • BackRowHeckler October 13, 2014 at 5:25 pm #

      Meanwhile, President Ebola is the featured attraction at the Hollywood Star Studded DNC/LBGT fundraising golf tournament at Palm Beach. CA. Gwen Paltrow and Babs will be there, on their knees.


  51. MikeMoskos October 13, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

    I don’t know if it will specifically help against Ebola, but most in the alternative health care will tell you the best way to build your immune system is through fermented foods. Not the grocery store debaucheries of them, but home made or made by a local artisan. Kefir (dairy or sugar water) is arguably the best and certainly, the easiest to make at home. Lots of people sell/give away the cultures on ebay, craigslist, etc, but the oldest source is gemcultures.com.

    You don’t need to eat a lot: variety and regular consumption are more important. A tablespoon of kimchi with dinner, a few ounces kefir with lunch, a couple of shot glasses of kombucha tea in the afternoon, etc. will do the trick. As your immune system builds, you can slack off.

    Ferment/eat what you like. By the way, local unpasteurized beer or wine will have the same effect.

    You can look up more on westonaprice.org, the group that’s responsible for bringing back fermented foods. Your local library may have one of Sandor Katz’s books on fermentation too.

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 11:21 pm #

      uh..that is great if you still have a functioning immune system. pandemics are about immune sustems not being enough…ebola kills your immune system. kimchee will not immunize you from plagues.

      good hygiene and isolation will.

  52. ZrCrypDiK October 13, 2014 at 7:04 pm #

    Max Keiser’s sidekick Herbert had a lot of nice things to say about you, on their show last Thursday – FWIW.

  53. carstars October 13, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

    “So far, the new system is only in the discussion stage, and one issue is that there are currently only four U.S. hospitals with top-level bio-containment units.”

    Like the new slogan of CDC, “Think Ebola”. Wonder if you can get that on coffee mugs and T-Shirts?

    • Karah October 13, 2014 at 11:24 pm #

      “Ebola does not see, hear or feel – you do.

      stop the spread!”

  54. pkrugman October 13, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

    “…even the SPLC doesn’t call them really harsh names.” –P4W

    The racists are using Ebola to promote their hate agenda. Many have joined NumbersUSA, an organization that is part of racist, antisemite, Holocaust denier John H. Tanton’s network. In fact, the organized anti-immigration “movement” is almost entirely the handiwork of John H. Tanton. He is involved in 13 groups, some of which are designated as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    NumbersUSA began life as a Tanton foundation program. Its executive director, Roy Beck, was designated by Tanton as his “heir apparent” at U.S. Inc. Beck edited The Immigration Invasion, a book by Tanton and a colleague that was so fierce in its immigrant-bashing that Canadian border authorities banned it as hate literature.

    “John Tanton is the racist architect of the modern anti-immigrant movement.”


    Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. P4W is one of CFN’s racists, and he welcomes being called a racist… something about a contest he is running. He does not care. Neither does NumbersUSA. It is so easy to have a single thing to blame, something claimed to aggravate everything: immigration. Immigrants are never praised by P4W. Their positive contributions are ignored or denied.

    In P4W’s view, immigrants (legal and illegal) are supposedly making things worse, not better. He simply ignores and disqualifies any data showing otherwise by creating bogus disqualification criteria: growth, ethnic food, moral platitudes. Anything positive said about immigration he classifies into one of those three and then conveniently ignores the pro-immigration data.

    Poor dark-skinned immigrants are P4W’s scapegoat… and distraction.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 9:15 pm #

      Poor dark skinned immigrants bring disease, violence, and death. We have enough of those and those already.

      • Bob October 13, 2014 at 10:43 pm #

        Hey Janos!

        Medical science now has the power to put a window in your abdomen!

        Now you’ll get to see where you’re going (since you have your head up your ass).

        You’re an insult to your species.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 11:35 pm #

          The Truth is bitter but it is medicine. Until you are willing to take the bitterness, you will not get well but only sicker and crazier by the day. Ditto for America.

    • progress4what October 13, 2014 at 11:35 pm #

      “The chief difficulties that America faces because of current immigration are not triggered by who the immigrants are but by how many they are.

      The task before the nation in setting a fair level of immigration is not about race or some vision of a homogeneous white America; it is about protecting and enhancing the United States’ unique experiment in democracy for all Americans, including recent immigrants, regardless of their particular ethnicity.”

      • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 11:44 pm #

        “Some vision of a homogenous white (no caps) America” – a vision of relative paradise in other words. And you reject it for what? – a mess of multicultural pottage.

        It Doesn’t matter who the immigrants are? So it doesn’t matter how uneducated, poor, or violent they are? Muslims are fine since they often meet all these criterion. Sounds like numbers has sold out to meet the Zionist scribbling that defaces our Statue of Liberty. You know the give us your wretches and refuse jingle by Emma Lazarus.

  55. vengeur October 13, 2014 at 8:47 pm #

    President “Let Them Play Golf!” Obama is really on top of this one. It will never reach our shores, um, it will never reach our exclusive country clubs…The man has officially checked out of being president. I don’t blame him for being depressed.

  56. Buck Stud October 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

    Speaking of real life and spin art, the spin about the nurse/ Ebola infection is she wasn’t following protocol. In other words, she fucked up.

    But that’s what we humans do best — fuck up. So the notion that all will be under control if only protocol and procedure is followed strikes me as being, well, unreal.

    I have no idea how this all plays out –apparently someone in Kansas is being tested for Ebola after coming back from Africa–but in many ways it seems inevitable that this spreads. After all ‘it’s a global economy’.

    Yes there are racists who are using the Ebola scare to try and close the border and there are others who simply want to halt illegal immigration for many reasons completely unrelated to ethnicity/racism. On the other side of the issue there are illegal immigration advocacy groups who are claiming that Ebola as it relates to immigration is not “scientific’ thinking, that the science doesn’t support the idea that a border closing would halt its spread.

    Meanwhile, in the real world people keep on sneezing and shaking hands, buying round trip tickets to here and there and fooling themselves that mistakes are the exception.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 13, 2014 at 11:32 pm #

      So should we stop flights from the infected countries or not? In other words, how sane are you?

      • Buck Stud October 14, 2014 at 11:26 am #

        Unless all countries ban flights to African countries fighting the Ebola crisis, the banning of flights by singular countries is basically all for naught: the global inter-connectivity is too entwined for one severed thread to have an impact on the whole.

        IOW if the U.S. ban flights to select countries while other countries continue what is accomplished? We still have non-restricted travel to countries that have not banned flights and thus Ebola is free to travel where it will.

        One begins to get a glimpse of the potentially catastrophic economic consequences of Ebola. But for the time being it’s not just the ‘elite’ who are pooh-poohing the more dire scenarios but mainstream business institutions/employees whose very economic livelihoods would be destroyed if the U.S. quarantined itself from the world.

        There is a real Catch 22 dynamic unfolding and maybe the only real solution is a vaccine.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 2:56 pm #

          Those countries have very small economies. I think the world could survive a quarantine of them. Nigeria is another story perhaps, but they have secured their border. How sad that Nigeria has more sense than the West has. We’ve lost all instinct for survival and all spiritual virility. We think we have to go along with suicide in order to be “fair”.

          If we survive this, I hope people begin to contemplate the severe downside of globalism. Trade is fine, but why become dependent on it if you don’t have to? Some nations have no choice, but America could be self sufficient and only trade for luxuries.

  57. FincaInTheMountains October 13, 2014 at 10:53 pm #

    The Conspiracy Files. Part 1.

    This is a hunt. This is a hunt for all-powerful planetary monster by the name of Financial International (FinIntern). Yes, this is a hunt against mighty Rothschilds, Baruchs, Oppenheimers, Warburgs, Kohns and many others.

    But there is no hunt without hunters. And they do exist. It is international team consisting of remains of American Republic under Obama leadership, China and of course Russia. Ukraine… Yes, Ukraine is playing the role of a sitting duck.

    But there is no certainty among the players. They do not trust each other, compete among themselves, trying to get to advantageous position. One mistake and the hunter could turn into a game or game could start hunting the hunters. Russia got the most risky part, she doesn’t have the room for mistake or retreat. She has thrown everything on the table, including herself. But the potential of award is magnificent – the right to determine the future of Humanity.

    Let’s turn back to summer of 2012. Then, during the preparation for London Olympic Games, there were many reports and rumors about impending terrorist act using nuclear device. Just before that, the Russian Special Forces conducted surprising exercises on American soil. About that time rumors started to circulate regarding the destruction of American underground bunkers, including the whole Elite underground city near Denver.

    A lot remains for speculation, but there are reasons to believe that the joint American-Russian operation was conducted to prevent the start of the World Thermonuclear war that was planned for 22 of December, 2012.

    By destroying the underground facility, the players denied the ability of the World underground Elite to survive the aftermath of Nuclear Holocaust, thus preventing it from happening. Most likely the operation was done by American Special Forces and Russians were there for control check.

    There are several Global Players in the world today, but only FinIntern is not linked to any specific territory and its power is at the same time virtual and universal. They had plans to destroy the World. Everybody else suddenly found each other sitting in the same boat. They did not like the scenario. So the consultations have begun to contain the threat.

    Having failed at starting the World Thermonuclear War, FinIntern reverted to plan B – monopolization of the World with financial instruments. They continued to buy up the world’s gold, transferring it out of US jurisdiction into Hong Kong. The plan was to create alternative to USD “new” monetary system based on Gold and Chinese Yuan. Of course, subservient to their interests. The “red button” of American Default would be pushed at the right time known only to them.

    I wouldn’t go into the details, but the plan to subjugate the Chinese leadership has failed as well.

    But there is still the impending threat and time uncertainty of the impending American Default, controlled by FinIntern.
    Nobody among the remaining players wanted to find themselves in the middle of Chaos at the uncertain time. They decided that if they could not stop the Default, at least they wanted control the timing of it, not let FinIntern to do it.

    The trap was set. Ukraine was going to play the role of a trigger. The trap was of such quality and magnitude, that nobody could ignore it. All calculated outcomes promised everybody, except Russia, to benefit or at least to survive.


    • russ October 13, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

      “…One mistake and the hunter could turn into a game or game could start hunting the hunters…”

      Sounds like going bird hunting with Cheney.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 3:01 pm #

      All the names you mentioned were Jewish. Care to rephrase that Laddy? Or are admitting that the Jews control World Finance and want to use it to rule the world? Didn’t a little German guy say the same thing?

      Now to be serious, whether you admit it or not, at some point you will be attacked by these people. They have serious survival instincts which the West have lost.

  58. Karah October 13, 2014 at 11:56 pm #

    Jhk will find that washington is a state and the place for the actual discussion is a city – two very different things.

    our nations capital is a political splatter painting of genes from other places. that is part of what makes our nation uniquely in a leadership position for guiding discusses about global matters.

    immigration is not between states…it is between cities. if there is not a city with all the services they provide then you will not have people wanting to go over the border to get there. unless…they want their own land and all the rights that come with owning the land in another state or country.

    i think immigration is great for cities and bad for countries. most cities demand the numbers for economic reasons…the more people the more money spent and traded. countries exist to provide for the current citizenship, the stewards of the land, and not those who just want to trample it. those fly over zones are what immigration policies should protect. a country can only provide for so many people over a lifetime, generation, but a city, a port can provide for an indefinite number for short periods of time. people are always going somewhere else and using primarily cities to do that and not wide open country where people are going to die.

  59. nsa October 14, 2014 at 12:26 am #

    Turd world undocumented democrats are bad for EVERYONE and you know it. They should all be rounded up and sent home…..all 20 or 30 million of them. They bring with them diseases, parasites, worms, foul commie freeloader ideas, criminal intent, and sick pedophile religions. In general, they are even more worthless than the indolent tatooed drug addled indigenous population. And all so-called legal immigration should be terminated and even the precious four eyed “brainiacs” rounded up and returned to their countries of origin…….that includes even canadians from our northern colony…….

    • Karah October 14, 2014 at 12:41 am #

      We need canadians and brainiacs to entertain us and. Program our. Ipads!

    • BackRowHeckler October 14, 2014 at 8:48 am #

      you said it, brother!

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

      Well said. After the victory of the Chinese Communists, they threw every White man out of the nation. They had to prove to themselves that it was still their nation and nobody else’s. Don’t blame them a bit for this. We have to do the same.

  60. Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 2:33 am #

    Beware of Gays bearing Gifts – some of the same as the immigrants one would imagine.


    Is that not a real faggy statement or is that just me?

    • BackRowHeckler October 14, 2014 at 8:47 am #

      Well, if they’re not going to support any standards of human decency or morality, why even call yourself a church? Why exist at all? Time to close up shop, take down the cross and put up a ‘For Sale’ sign out front.

      Studio 54 was a former Methodist Church, don’t forget that.


    • seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 9:17 am #

      I thought it was beware of grays bearing gifts. “Don’t you get into no strange flying saucers, especially if they offer you something.”

      • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 3:20 pm #

        Who are we to deny the Grays anything? Is that fair? If they want the Earth, shouldn’t we give it to them or at least share? Haven’t you read “Everything I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten”? I know it will be a hard read for you, but you could at least try.

        If the Grays want to perform experiments on your body (including sexual), who are you to say no? That would be self assertion, and hasn’t self assertion by White Males caused all the suffering in the world?

        • seawolf77 October 15, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

          I didn’t say no. We had an extraterrestrial orgy. It was out of this world. Get it?

  61. InquiringMind October 14, 2014 at 3:30 am #

    Perhaps if someone with the CDC had thought to build “voluntary quarantine” facilities near Liberian airports a few months ago, people could have stayed there safely for 21 days and afterward submitted to a blood test for Ebola before leaving for other parts of the world. And, that could have also been made a requirement for entrance into the US. The fallout from Thomas Eric Duncan’s flight could have been avoided. I think the American people deserved that much consideration. This disease probably spreads like smallpox, and I fear it will only spread and increase exponentially anywhere in the human population (in the US too!). However, I don’t have all the information I need( I guess ),to pass judgement on the authorities in charge .

    • Karah October 14, 2014 at 5:24 am #

      21 days is a long time to volunteer to do…basically…nothing.

      how many people even plan that far ahead for anything much less global travel?

      i think if someone really investigated our airline industry they could find all kinds of weird patterns. of course there are “business travellers” who are always predictable and pay enough to keep southwest in business forever…
      then there are the “holiday” travellers who are very, very predictable and keep airlines booked even during the times where most businesses are shutdown…
      then there is the mail carriers…
      then there is all the other illegal activity that is so hard to find unless you hire twelve people with body scanners to snuff them out!
      and now you want them to cull people with invisible diseases?!
      are you mad?

    • stelmosfire October 14, 2014 at 8:43 am #

      Do you really think that any sane human would voluntarily go to a quarantine center filled with sick , dying individuals, not even sure as to how-to protect themselves? I would run the other way at light speed. Quarantines do not work, never have, and even then only at the point of a spear or a gun, and that is even questionable. Common sense, proper hygiene, good’ ol’ Clorox and staying away from public places ( sports games, hospitals, airports, subways, schools etc). till the pestilence and vermin pass. That works. Also have clean water and good food on hand. My family thinks I’M WACKED.ALSO THE FEDS ARE PROBABLY EYEBALLING ME. But hey I like to play mental game plan.

      • InquiringMind October 14, 2014 at 3:23 pm #

        For those who answered my comment…, for their edification…, here is some info from 1998 about dipping one’s paws in bleach after caring for Ebola patients.


        Clearly, it must have been well known THEN how meticulous one needed to be when near this kind of infectious disease. Also, it is interesting, that in this HANDBOOK there is a comment about the air-conditioning factor to be taken into account. If I had been in charge ,ALL ,and I mean ALL commercial flights out of that infected part of the world would have been stopped before the epidemic became exponential. And no, I don’t think voluntary quarantines work either. In a real, legal, quarantine you don’t put asymptomatic people in with sick people, as they must be separated.But a 3 week incubation period is tricky. But quarantine is the best we have after stopping flights.

        • Karah October 14, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

          A quarantine can be having people stay in their homes for a designated period.

          You do not need “hospital units” to treat people. It just makes it more convenient for the trained caregivers and delivery systems.

  62. barbisbest October 14, 2014 at 6:27 am #

    Reply to Bob. Thanks Bob, you are tribute to your species. Janos does have his head up his ass. He contradicts himself… Truth is medicine. And the truth is I do have moral high ground… the indians were slaughtered and driven off their land. Indian chiefs are the real founding fathers. Their reality will be driven home to us soon.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 2:45 pm #

      The Indian Chiefs were the Founding Fathers? That’s make all kinds of non-sense. You are Exhibit One, a perfect victim of our Educational System.

      The Indians had no sense of themselves being a united people. They were divided into hundreds of tribes, speaking different languages and often at war.

      People like Bob and Sea have no instinct for personal or national survival. They are simple ethnomasochists pure and simple. Whites took this land and made it our own. So they want to give it back to the Indians. But is anyone going to give us back the lands they have been take from us by the Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Blacks, etc? We once lived deep into Central and Southwestern Asia as well as North Africa.

  63. Cold N. Holefield October 14, 2014 at 6:44 am #

    The Dallas nurse is not to blame — she’s been scapegoated and thrown under the bus. The CDC protective gear protocols are ridiculously inadequate, especially when compared to the protocol used by Doctors Without Borders whose volunteers are consistently exposed to disease in African without one contamination — ever.

    Here’s Sanjay Gupta demonstrating the CDC protocol for protective gear. Notice the look of concern and frustration on Gupta’s face. He can’t say it the way he wants to say it (because CNN is in cahoots with the CDC), and that is that the CDC is grossly negligent in dealing with this issue and yet everyone keeps turning to the CDC for guidance and answers. Although, Gupta provided cover for Snyderman’s gross negligence by claiming there was no way she could have contaminated anyone even if she has Ebola because she’s asymptomatic.

    What doctors wear to treat Ebola patients

    The CDC is a creepy organization. For anyone’s who studied it closely and know people who work there, it’s tantamount to an international Communist organization who’s purpose is to take inadequate Pandemic planning live to see how far they can let the fire burn before putting it out. It’s the only thing that explains the insanity unfolding before our eyes. Yes, the world, or Civilization, has always been insane, but this is beyond the pale considering this day and age and the high expectations associated with it.

    I’ll never think of chocolate sauce the same way after viewing this video and I’ll never shave again.

    Don’t cut yourself, or you’re screwed.

    James, you may want to grow your beard out until you get home — all it takes is one little micro-abrasion and then you have The Short Emergency.

  64. BackRowHeckler October 14, 2014 at 8:36 am #

    Petroleum might go as low as $70 per barrel before the year is out (according to BBC last nite).

    “The world is awash in oil” is a common refrain heard on the nightly business report.

    There’s alot going on, but shortage of energy resources does not seem to be one of them.

    Across from my property are these beautiful fields thru which the old Farmington Canal (1826-1846) runs, the place where you can still see the last remnants of it. I thought it was town or state property. But last week this massive signboard went up announcing a new McMansion subdivision (coming soon!)

    Choking automobile traffic from hell all hours of the day and nite, horrific daily road accidents, new suburban subdivisions, expansion of existing strip malls, new section 8 apartments ugly from day 1, endless and disruptive road repair and construction (all foreign labor, incidentally), a proposed suburban industrial park across from Satan’s Kingdom when other nearby suburban industrial parks built 1964-1980 are half empty … it all has its own logic and language and has taken on a life of its own irrespective of what’s going on in the world at large.


    • Cold N. Holefield October 14, 2014 at 8:54 am #

      Same observation here. The emperor is dancing naked, but the emperor is a nudist so it doesn’t give a flip if you see it naked. In fact, it prefers you see it naked.

      Sometimes I wonder, momentarily and fleetingly, if all these faces, these bodies, these people, these Masses are being imported from another planet, and this is all a Big Joke … on me … and on you. As I said, I don’t dwell on it long because it’s a nightmarish thought. There’s something to Lebensraum if you remove the Nazi stigma.

      <a href="http://lowres.cartoonstock.com/politics-usa-crisis-illusion-debt_crisis-debts-atan1517_low.jpg"The Emperor's A Nudist

    • seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 9:01 am #

      The reason they call it a peak is because right up until the last minute, it looks like it will go on forever. In fact the peak is by deifintion the time when there’s the most of it ever. That’s the rub.

  65. seawolf77 October 14, 2014 at 8:48 am #

    Almost 100 years exactly since the last great pandemic and the first in the jet age. You know I’ve always thought that the elite would conceal the fact that oil has peaked from us in highly sophisticated ways. If Ebola becomes a full fledged pandemic, airline travel will drop to zero. And just when fuel prices were sliding. I tell you those airlines can’t catch a break. How fitting that Dallas is the town where Ebola lands, the city that killed America. Karma is a bitch, no question.

    • BackRowHeckler October 14, 2014 at 10:56 am #

      SW are you talking about the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918?

      Not much remembered now, overshadowed by WW1 catastrophe.

      It bears some looking into, see what lessons can be learned.


  66. contrahend October 14, 2014 at 9:44 am #

    canadian ebola vaccine is 100% effective in primates and now being tested on humans.

    blood from ebola survivors is also promising: “Some early research suggests using blood from survivors could work. In 1995, during an outbreak in Kikwit in the Democratic Republic of Congo, seven of eight infected people given the therapy survived during an outbreak with an 80 per cent fatality rate.”

    and other encouraging news: “About 40 per cent of people infected in the current outbreak have beaten the disease, according to the WHO. ”

    we’ll lick this thing yet, hold on to your hats.


  67. Cold N. Holefield October 14, 2014 at 9:47 am #

    This is all so bizarre — almost as though it’s bullshit or these people aren’t real or they’re programmed in some way — more so and more intensively than the rest of us. Here’s some more info. on our friend, Ashoka Mukpo, an NBC cameraman and writer. Funny name, isn’t it? His father’s name is Dr. Mitchell Levy. Doc Levy is so cool, calm and collected, don’t you think? As though he’s not really that concerned. How do you get Ashoka Mukpo out of Mitchell Levy? It reminds me of the bizarre behavior amidst the Sandy Hook shootings. These people are not of this planet, or I’m not of this planet — one or the other.

    Ebola-infected NBC News cameraman tweets about his recovery: ‘Endless gratitude for the good vibes’

    I wonder if this Ashoka lives in a mudhut or has lived in a mudhut just for the fun of it. It sure looks like something this young man would do. I wonder if he’s ever posted to CFN? If so, and even if not so, get well soon Ashoka.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 2:47 pm #

      Thank you for confirming Q’s hypothesis.

  68. contrahend October 14, 2014 at 11:21 am #

    SW are you talking about the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918?
    Not much remembered now, overshadowed by WW1 catastrophe.

    But the 3 Norwegians buried in the permafrost who died of it provided a way to develop a vaccine against it, since they were so well preserved their blood could be used. They were dug up, samples were taken, and they were respectfully reinterred.

    Darn it but ain’t technology grand…..


  69. FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2014 at 11:31 am #

    The Conspiracy Files. Part 2.

    Why it is important to destroy FinIntern.

    About 40 years have passed since the moment when the last world currency – US Dollar – has totally disconnected from economic reality and world entered the realm of virtual monetary system. World has changed dramatically since that time. Today the majority of us could hardly imagine the monetary system that reflects real material values, however that how it existed for 5000 years.

    Money has turned into a “virtual commodity” under the control of few financial structures. During last 40 years those structures using unlimited emission of dollar assumed almost total control of the World’s economy. The worst part is by monopolizing the World’s economy, the FinIntern has lead the world into a dead-end. They do not need people anymore, or extended production, or even “consumers”. They consider it as waste of valuable resources. Also they face potential of civil unrest that could jeopardize their power. So for them the end game could be expressed in 2 simple goals:

    1. Reduction of word population to 500 million
    2. Destruction of technology-based civilization and drastic reduction in intellectual and educational capacity of remaining people

    That is what turned FinIntern into enemy of remaining Players who could still have sufficient resources to destroy them.

    Why it is impossible to keep Dollar as World’s reserved currency

    Two main reasons:
    1. FinIntern is the real owner of the US Dollar system
    2. Amount of accumulated unpayable debt does not let the economy to “reset” and move into new technological long wave of development

    Why Obama is playing against the dollar, but could not choose the moment of “reset”

    Fact that Obama and “Patriotic forces of US” are playing against their own currency is paradoxical only at a first glance. They are smart enough to see the coming crash of existing system. They are also smart enough to realize that a sudden death of dollar-system would be catastrophic for US and will cause a collapse of such proportions that would totally destroy the society. The cannot cancel the collapse, things gone too far. So the only choice is to have collapse on their own terms and at the time of their own choosing. But initiate collapse they cannot since it would be total political suicide and loss of any control over political system and lead to the same chaos.

    Why Chinese are playing against the dollar, but could not choose the moment of “reset”

    Chinese could not afford to initiate the collapse of US for simple fact that majority of their industry have US as a major customer and will lead to widespread economical problems and civil unrest throughout China with potential of toppling the system. They’d very much prefer that collapse was caused by “outside” reason.

    Why Russia is playing against the dollar, and could choose the moment of “reset”

    Russia has an old score to settle with British Empire and FinIntern they provide a roof for. Two revolutions, two great wars that killed tens of millions of Russians. But the difference between Russia and US or China is that Russia could call up fire against herself and start the process of collapse.

    1. Russia has been preparing for the collapse for too long and practically protected herself in case of dollar collapse.
    2. Russia has all opportunity to have nation united under the Putin’s flag
    3. Russia has been conducted defacto nationalization of its strategic industries for a long time
    4. Russia as it stands today is the lone military superpower that could resist any external military threat.

    The only thing is missing for Russia to commence the world monetary reset is to negotiate with US and China the dates so not to lose control in any possible military confrontation.

    Nobody wants the thermonuclear war.

    • goat1001 October 14, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

      I’ve recently spoken to two medical professionals and they say the Ebola plague is out of control and there is no end in sight and the prognosis for humanity is looking very scary. There is the likelihood many or most medical professionals will “leave their post” and run for cover when TSHTF by Christmas. Only a vaccine will be effective to stop this outbreak and there is none at this time and time is running out.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

        Quite frankly, I am not so sure about Ebola. The fact that the Texan nurse got it despite of safety protocol and wearing the protection suite is very suspicious: she could have gotten it outside the hospital with a little help.

        So far, it looks like a strong “informational push” against Obama.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

        We could still stop it here, but that would mean loving ourselves as a Nation and acting accordingly. People have been indoctrinated by our Communist school system to think in terms of “fairness”. Thus it is seen as unfair to live while others die. We should die too. I wonder if the Africans fleeing here have any idea how crazy we are.

        Communism, also called Political Correctness or Liberalism, is also a virus, a disease of the mind and spirit.

      • MisterDarling October 14, 2014 at 6:05 pm #


        re | “There is the likelihood many or most medical professionals will “leave their post” and run for cover when TSHTF by Christmas.”-g.

        I’m glad someone is being realistic about 2nd-responses of ‘first responders’.

        Think New Orleans, ’05 for reference.

        “Only a vaccine will be effective to stop this outbreak and there is none at this time and time is running out.-g.

        I have to suppress the urge to shake my head at the too-little-too-late brigade who waste bandwidth chatting about vaccines that that will magically be produced at a scale able to stop a pandemic in its tracks – in the event that one does…

        And this is coming from people who claim to have jobs involving some level of complex planning.



      • goat1001 October 15, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

        It’s getting nasty fast….

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

      Five hundred million is still a lot of people – and probably a lie. The more likely figure is fifty million or so. Are you getting the 500 hundred million from the Georgia Guidestones? Are you assuming they wouldn’t lie in Stone?

  70. contrahend October 14, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

    1. Reduction of word population to 500 million
    2. Destruction of technology-based civilization and drastic reduction in intellectual and educational capacity of remaining people

    This was penciled in on the Mayan Calendar beside December 21, 2012.



  71. contrahend October 14, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

    Only a vaccine will be effective to stop this outbreak and there is none at this time and time is running out.

    There are several that are undergoing trials.

    Canadian-made Ebola vaccine begins human trials in US
    Experimental vaccine has shown to be ‘100% effective’ in preventing spread of Ebola when tested on animals

    Fast-tracked Ebola vaccine is now being tested in West Africa

    U.S. Launches Ebola Vaccine Trial

    It’s a deadly virus, but a vaccine is forthcoming.


    • FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

      The Russian Ebola vaccine is also in clinical trials. The Russians have two more in a pipeline. ETA – 5 – 6 months.

      • BackRowHeckler October 14, 2014 at 4:11 pm #

        Hey Fincain Secretary Kerry met with the Russian Foreign Minister in Paris today, looks like some cooperation is in the offing over this ISIS business. What do you think?

        I don’t know if I heard this right, but the Turk air force bombed Kurdish positions, not ISIS positions, with American made F-16s today. Could this be true? I’m confused.


        • FincaInTheMountains October 14, 2014 at 4:44 pm #

          I don’t think Russians want anything to do with the mess US has created there – Syria is still their major concern.

          As for Turkey, may be Bill Still is right:

          • BackRowHeckler October 15, 2014 at 11:23 am #


            Sounds logical, if not a little disturbing.

            Thanks for posting that FC.

            Meanwhile on European news sites there are reports of masses of severed heads stuck on the end of pikes, held aloft, like Ghengis Kahn had just ridden thru Kobani.


        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 6:01 pm #

          Alex Jones thinks it’s a giant scam and we haven’t really been attacking their positions. They post pictures of themselves blowing up old trucks but nary a one of an Abrams Tank. Makes sense to me since we need these folks to take out Assad for us. But I admit I could be wrong on this. Their goals are fixed but their plans are both complex and fluid. And they are capable of enormous patience.

  72. MisterDarling October 14, 2014 at 5:50 pm #

    Hello Cold-N and Co.,

    re | “The CDC protective gear protocols are ridiculously inadequate, especially when compared to the protocol used by Doctors Without Borders whose volunteers are consistently exposed to disease in African without one contamination — ever.”-ColdN.

    Docs w/out Borders loses 9 to ebola:


    SO… I’d say it’s safe to say that nobody’s got a handle on this issue yet.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 6:04 pm #

      Yes, it may be small enough to get thru face masks. Think of it: a microscopic being, barely alive, but heavily armored and capable of insinuating itself into living organisms – on the very wings of the wind.

      • MisterDarling October 14, 2014 at 6:13 pm #

        re | “Think of it: a microscopic being, barely alive, but heavily armored and capable of insinuating itself into living organisms – on the very wings of the wind.”-j.

        Just the thing to really get *down to brass-tacks* on all that ‘excess humanity’.

        Seems almost… *Cylon* somehow.


        Sounds like you might be developing an infatuation, Janos….



        • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 6:28 pm #

          What did the Robot Man in the movie Alien say once his head was chopped off? I admire its purity or something like that. But all of Nature is like that: look at the Ants and their organization, the selfless industry of the Bee who work themselves to death – perfect Communists!, and the sexual organs of the humble flee, a masterpiece of hooks and pincers. I have said the same thing of Ozone and his hatred. I hate him but I couldn’t hate him as much as he hates me. He is greater than me in this. I admire him for it.

          Only an atheist or a fool would think it all happened by accident. Man is the Crown of Nature, or Nature becoming conscious of itself.

  73. contrahend October 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm #

    Think of it: a microscopic being, barely alive, but heavily armored and capable of insinuating itself into living organisms – on the very wings of the wind.

    Like other microorganisms we’ve defeated.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

      Not if we don’t use commonsense and self control we wont. See below for more uninspiring leadership by the Jewish Elite. I assume you agree that those infected African countries should be shut down tight? Instead we are sending thousands of troops there. No doubt hundreds of them will get sick and then be sent to hospitals all over America to help spread the disease.

      Have they even be deployed yet? There’s so much bad news now that we can’t keep up. We’re like a weaker tennis player being run ragged all over the court. By design.

  74. Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm #

    Nancy Snyderman, the great medical journalist and wanna be Florence Nightingale, violated her quarantine in order to get some soup. Quarantines are for other people, not japs. She’s a Lois Lerner type evidently. Glad to see the elite are leading by example…


  75. Cold N. Holefield October 14, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

    SO… I’d say it’s safe to say that nobody’s got a handle on this issue yet.

    I don’t think it’s safe to assume anything at this point, even what you’re asserting.

    FYI, Gupta, I believe, was referring to the Doctors Without Borders protective gear protocol, so I don’t think he was referring to the organization as a whole, just those who followed the protocol in administering healthcare to Ebola patients.

    I don’t think he would make a blunder like that without checking his facts, but if he did, Gupta’s the one who said it, not me. I assumed and expected he had his facts straight. Maybe he did if he meant the staff of Doctors Without Borders who followed the protective gear protocol.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 14, 2014 at 8:49 pm #

      Gupta clarified it tonight and said Doctors Without Borders hasn’t had an Ebola contamination breach using their protective gear protocol prior to this year. The CDC’s 1st case in the U.S., and there’s a contamination from breach of the protective gear. His point still stands, but your point does as well. Still, one has to ask, why wouldn’t the CDC implement Doctors Without Borders best practices considering DWB’s been doing this successfully for so long?

      Maybe this new strain and outbreak is so pernicious and diabolical, it can circumvent the molecular structure of the protective suit like Freddy Krueger can walk through walls — and just in time for Halloween!

      • Janos Skorenzy October 14, 2014 at 9:17 pm #

        I like Jason better. He never hurries but he’s always where he needs to be. I think he can “bend” space like the spice addicted Guildsmen in Dune.

  76. pkrugman October 14, 2014 at 9:29 pm #

    I realize CFN is apocalypse central for MSM brainwashed scaredy-cats, where hysteria and doom-filled visions reign, but for those with a respect for science who are keeping score, here are the numbers from WHO:


    17,500,000 from cardiovascular diseases (17.5 MILLION)

    8,200,000 from cancer (8.2 MILLION)

    4,000,000 from respiratory diseases (4 MILLION)

    1,500,000 from diabetes (1.5 MILLION)

    4,447 from ebola (4.447 THOUSAND)

    Get a grip, people… Get over your fear… Stop spinning apocalypse.

    Real life is not spin art.

    • MisterDarling October 15, 2014 at 12:55 am #

      re | “I realize CFN is apocalypse central for MSM brainwashed scaredy-cats, where hysteria and doom-filled visions reign, but for those with a respect for science who are keeping score, here are the numbers from WHO:”-rugman.

      Hmm, Okay Mr. Rugman. How does it sound when it comes from the UN?


      None of the other maladies that you listed have Ebola’s doubling time. Your examples are irrelevant to the discussion.

      BTW, discussing a topic is not the same as panicking about it. Professionals in many walks of life talk about terrifying issues all the time and it’s not panic – its just *work*.

      Of course it’s understood these aren’t fluffy, inconsequential conversation set-pieces. That’s why many of us prefer to discuss/vent about these things here – instead of aloud to our family/friends and random passers-by.

      Whether Ebola will fizzle out on its own without killing too many thousands more, or be miraculously eradicated by the sudden advent and nearly instantaneous distribution of an effective vaccine remains to be seen.

      Whatever happens, it’s already made itself a big deal.

      But if you’d rather not think about it, feel free to tune the whole thing out and. . . *R e l a x*.

      Just forget all about it.


      • BackRowHeckler October 15, 2014 at 2:09 am #

        That’s right MD.

        If I bring up any of these topics to family and friends i’m told basically to shut the F up in no uncertain terms.

        I’m still getting my balls busted for talking about peak oil back in 07 & 08. People still bring it up. i must have been a real bore on the subject.


        • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 2:30 pm #

          The second nurse stricken with Ebola has also been called a “hero”. Is hero the same as victim? I thought hero was a matter of volition – but that’s thinking and that’s not allowed. Stalin had an interesting perspective, “It takes a very brave man not to be a hero in my army.” Indeed, anyone who goes to work may soon become this kind of “hero”. I’d advise medical workers to drop their tools and flee at the first appearance of this plague. Save your families. Let the dead bury the dead.

  77. nsa October 14, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

    We here with the agency in Ft. Meade, using a proprietary sticky gps tracker in conjunction with satellite surveillance, have spotted Krugie and Beanie on there honeymoon at a KOA campground just outside Needles. They have been towing an airstream with a purple 1995 F250, with “just married” on the windows, and even a new foo-foo dog on the dash. Good luck to Krugie and Beanie as they embark on life’s adventure together…..

  78. abbybwood October 14, 2014 at 11:19 pm #

    Nurses at Dallas hospital are speaking up:


  79. Q. Shtik October 14, 2014 at 11:29 pm #

    Hey Prog,

    I’m in a fleabag hotel in Port Wentworth, GA (one of the ironically named “Quality Inns”) just off 95 near Savannah on my way home from So. FL. The air in the lobby smelled like an Asian Indian armpit (or how I imagine an Asian Indian armpit smells like). Or perhaps Greek…I recall that same odor in New Jersey Greek Diners.

    Drove 500 miles today in a loaded Budget truck rental (16′) towing a trailer with my brother’s car on it. At Jacksonville, FL drove thru the heaviest rain, lightening and thunder I’ve ever experienced. This system has been making news the past few days.

    Had the best pecan pie a la mode ever at the restaurant next door.

    Where are you in relation to Savannah?

  80. K-Dog October 15, 2014 at 1:39 am #

    Dreams of laying sod for $6-an-hour or slaughtering chickens will be replaced by dreams of ripping up sod, planting corn and growing chickens. After ebola burns through the burbs a diluted ‘ Earth Abides ‘ will grow across across debris filled and overgrown streets. A new promised land awaits when the south gets hot and hurricanes scour the gulf. Forty vacant McMansion lots and a mule. One becomes the home, another big one gutted or perhaps two, barns. The others are gone except for converted fish ponds. Español hablado aquí. El restante Inglés aquires acento Liberiano.

    I can’t post this without giving credit to the one who turned me on to this most excellent adventure of a read ‘ Earth Abides ‘. Janos suggested I read it about a year or a year and a half ago. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 2:26 am #

      Yes PA or Post-Apocalypse has become a huge genre. The People feel itz coming. Now read the opposite from the Earth Abides, “Lucifer’s Hammer” where nuclear power saves the day.

      You’ll hate it, but it makes a lot of good points and has good survival information as well.

  81. K-Dog October 15, 2014 at 1:50 am #

    Real life is not spin art. How ironic when all real life now-days provides us is endless spin. Spin without rest. Buy this, believe that. The incessant hijack of your mind never ends. Don’t worry be happy and Chicken Little is $1.69/lb at Safeway.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 17, 2014 at 8:56 am #

      So, did any of you even bother wondering about the plight of our affairs?

      The fact that silver is trading at $17, gold at $1200, oil at $80, 10-yr interest rates at 2.0%, etc, ad NAUSEUM?!?

      Counter-balance, INDEED. Hoax, rather… Ixnei?

      Your “clan” been rather quiet on real-time issues for over 2 weeks. Perhaps you re-align?!?

      FWIW, Max’s sidekick Herbert quoting Illargi (wtf?)…

  82. Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 5:16 am #

    Are Vaccines really for our benefit? Or is something else going on or being planned? India has suffered greatly from the Globalist experiments in both agriculture and now big pharma. At last one of them may be brought to justice – none other than Bill Gates.


    Meanwhile Indian Farmers duped into the Green Revolution continue to commit suicide by drinking pesticides.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 17, 2014 at 9:38 am #

      “Meanwhile Indian Farmers duped into the Green Revolution continue to commit suicide by drinking pesticides.”

      You mean, duped into the GMO revolution? Xrist, get your facts straight for a CHANGE. GMO – no longer able to produce their own seed == bankruptsy.

  83. Cold N. Holefield October 15, 2014 at 6:53 am #


  84. Cold N. Holefield October 15, 2014 at 7:02 am #

    I journeyed five hundred miles today in a loaded truck rental towing a trailer with my bro’s car on it. In Jacksonville, Florida I drove thru the heaviest thunderstorms I’ve ever experienced. This system has been in the news the past few days.

    If your story is veritable, you’ll be back in Jersey tomorrow and you’ll have your old IP address back as well. Your CFN posting window has most likely closed. It’s been like the movie Awakenings.

    That’s alright though, it will give you ample time to enjoy your new-found wealth for the next ten years or so before you kick the bucket.

    Live like there’s no tomorrow, because increasingly it looks like there won’t be … a tomorrow.

    Your brother’s obituary doesn’t come up in an obituary search which is odd. Was he from another father and hence a different last name?

    ~ I on U

    • Q. Shtik October 15, 2014 at 9:10 am #

      You’ve got it all wrong except maybe me having 10 years left. No time to explain right now. More later.

  85. forkboy01 October 15, 2014 at 10:28 am #

    i think you’re still 80000 x more likely to die in a mundane traffic accident than contracting ebola. *yawn*

  86. volodya October 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm #

    Real life isn’t spin art. No shit.

    How much do you trust what your betters say? Training? Readiness? How much training and readiness is there?

    How much of the truth is being told and how much is being concealed and how much of what we’re being told is outright lies?

    At the end of the day the over-riding consideration is, um, well, just what IS the over-riding consideration? Is it public health and safety?

    Maybe the over-riding consideration is appearances, you know, the appearance that the medical establishment has a clue. Or the appearance that hospitals have the resources to deal with ebola. Or the appearance that medical science really knows about ebola and its life cycle and how it’s transmitted. Because appearances are important. Because, lord knows, you can’t have “panic”.

    Or maybe it’s corporate bottom lines. Because we all know that pandemics are damned inconvenient and shitty for business. Are telephone lines to the White House and Congress busy with CEOs urging “calm”? Do they really mean “calm”? Or do they mean keeping a lid on bad news?

    So when do Republicans start to stymie efforts to deal with this? I’m waiting for it. Or has it already started? Did I miss it? Because we all know that in the toxic Washington environment where everything is a political calculation, especially body-counts, this black, non-American, probable Muslim President cannot be seen to be effectively dealing with this outbreak.

    So, if hospitals are ready, how did TWO hospital workers who supposedly took all the precautions come down with this disease? Is it because the hospital really DIDN’T have all the necessary measures in place? Or is it because the workers were inadequately trained? Or is it because the workers made mistakes? After all to be human is to fuck up. Or is it because the party line on how ebola is transmitted is a load of crap?

    We’re told that putting bans on travel to and from African countries is “futile”. Is it really futile? Really, truly? Or is the real issue the avoidance of looking like a low-down racist? Because I’ve read people saying that this ebola outbreak is being used as cover by low-down racists and bigots. So, you know, can’t be seen to be “racist”.

    Remember the SARS outbreak? I remember reading about front-line ER workers screaming for haz-mat suits early in the outbreak and their being told by their higher ups that there was no scientific evidence requiring such measures.

    You know, I’m all for science. I’m also all for common sense. So, if you don’t know what you’re dealing with or, if the science might be a bit iffy, maybe it’s a good idea to go over-board in taking precautions. I mean, SARS wasn’t the common cold. That was obvious from Day One. And ebola isn’t just a case of the shits.

    So far we’ve had a lot of soothing talk. Don’t worry, there’s world-class this, high-tech that in this place, not like in Africa.

    Ok. let’s see if our betters have a handle on this. We’ll know soon enough.

    • MisterDarling October 15, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

      re | “Or maybe it’s corporate bottom lines. Because we all know that pandemics are damned inconvenient and shitty for business. Are telephone lines to the White House and Congress busy with CEOs urging “calm”? Do they really mean “calm”? Or do they mean keeping a lid on bad news?”-volodya.

      Meanwhile, there are other reasons for panic in the C-Suites of the world: *The Market* has stepped off the curb…

      Check the ‘hot-sheets’. Get ready for a big, booming, belly-laugh.


      • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 2:33 pm #

        Hah! What was the name of that mordant movie? Death Becomes You.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm #

      How confused are people? See Buck’s response to me above. Buck, a mainstream Democrat Socialist, actually invokes the Market to explain why flights from West Africa can’t stop. I’m sure he would call it racist too. But he was trying to talk in terms us lesser mortals would understand.

  87. contrahend October 15, 2014 at 1:02 pm #

    Disease pandemic ‘inevitable’ in Britian warns House of Lords
    Britain faces an “inevitable” disease pandemic which will kill up to 75,000 people in Britain and 50 million worldwide, says a powerful Lords Committee.

    “Socio-economic disruption will be massive.”

  88. contrahend October 15, 2014 at 1:03 pm #

    the above is from an article about bird flu.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 1:59 pm #

      So there is no need to worry? That doesn’t follow. There is a “first” time for everything – as if Western Civilization hasn’t suffered from plagues before. And perhaps the Black Swan you mentioned didn’t pan out. Maybe this one will.

  89. Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 2:02 pm #

    What did Calvin Coolidge say? No one has the right to put the public at risk for any reason at any time. He fired all of the striking policemen. This is the absolute basic of the social contract. We give them some of the fruits of our labor and they protect us. Now they want the fruits but they don’t want to protect us anymore for some reason. Maybe because they don’t need us anymore? Because we are just a waste of resources from here on in?

  90. Buck Stud October 15, 2014 at 2:17 pm #

    I just read this from Karah upstream and found it both informative and unsettling:

    “everyone who had contact with an infected person or their surroundings should have their blood analyzed for signs of an infection. do not wait until you have a fever. you can carry a virus and not get sick immediately. once you are symptomatic, the virus has incubated and errupts, you must isolate yourself. do not go to a hospital. have experienced hazmat people come to your dwelling.
    you are less at risk of contracting a secondary infection like mrsa.”

    The unsettling aspect, for me, is what happens when Cory The Tattooed or Monica The Obese experiences the onset of symptoms? Will they fail to have a hit from the community bong or isolate themselves from the public?

    Or to be even more pointed, what happens when Ebola starts to infiltrate the Jerry Springer clown crowd? will they choose wisely and isolate themselves from others and orchestrate a ‘hazmat’ response?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 2:43 pm #

      Why expect them to do what their “betters” like Nancy Snyderman didn’t do? Or to do what the medical establishment didn’t insist on, namely isolating by force everyone on the plane with Mr Duncan. Sure they’ll use force when it has become massive – and they can impose Emergency on the whole Nation. We’ll never emerge from such an emergency – not as the same free nation.

      As you know (or should) from your study of Chinese Political Philosophy, the common people will do what the great do. It’s idle to expect them to make sacrifices unless they see the great doing the same. Emulation is their first principle – and I think they are correct. Now judge Al Gore’s purchase of a beach side mansion by that metric.

      • Buck Stud October 15, 2014 at 3:52 pm #

        My comment was not really a moral condemnation as much as it was an illustration of how utterly unlikely that necessary protocols/procedures will be followed.

        And speaking of emulation, thankfully the country didn’t have the Chicken Hawk Republicans around to emulate when it really mattered. I mean come on, avoiding the draft because of a ‘anal cyst’?

        They’re not exactly in possession of the “Rough Rider” gene, these loudmouth and bellicose right-wing Chicken Hawk conservatives?

        And yet people still listen to these ‘brave mouths’ and some even term them ‘wise’.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 15, 2014 at 4:39 pm #

          What does attacking the White Underclass, already brutalized by America far beyond what they were before, have to do with enforcing the protocols?

          And now you jump to another non-sequitir, that of attacking the Republican Elite – who deserve it in general of course, but it has nothing to do with the issue. Anything and everything but the kitchen sink to avoid the admitting the utter failure of Obama and his appointees to deal with Ebola. The borders must be closed to insure our safety and to stop the spread of the disease. You plug up the hole in the row boat and then you bail it out. Or you do both simultaneously. But you can’t just bail and not plug. I said this on yahoo and a guy told me how much he utterly loathed people like me. And how we have no right to take care of ourselves first – as if one drowning man can save another.

          You’re really failing and flailing lately. Get a grip. As Cheng Man Ching said, You must invest in loss. Of your own ego and opinions in this case if you would be in the Flow, the River of Reality, the holy Tao.

          • Buck Stud October 15, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

            Uh, speaking of flailing, I was responding to your Al Gore beach side mansion comment–as if that was on topic!

            And why do you equate Jerry Springer with the ‘White Underclass’ only? I have seen clowns and morons of all racial stripes on that show.

            So many chips on so many shoulders that I don’t know if racial harmony will ever be possible, For example, I went to a high school football game to watch the son of a neighbor play. This kid’s school was predominantly white; the other, black. When we arrived at the sports facility I went walking around for a bit but when I returned my friend told me about an interesting but not all that surprising encounter she had with a black parent from the other team. She was leaning up against the fence and watching the the teams warm up from field level when this man comes and stands next to her. She had placed her purse on the ground so when he stood next to her she reached down and moved it. The black dude then said, ” don’t worry I wasn’t going to steal your purse”. My friend, a bit taken back, then said she only moved it because she didn’t want it accidentally stepped on since she had an I-Phone etc in her purse. Apparently he found this believable because they then engaged in some small talk but it illustrates that underlying racial tension that permeates Main Street USA in too many instances.

            And it doesn’t help when all people are not on the same racial harmony page. After the game many of the black players refused to shake hands and one in particular was uttering ‘Fuck You’ obscenities as he walked by each opposing player. Very disappointing to say the least, if not unsurprising given the racial powder keg that let’s a person know there is still a fuse dangling about in the year 2014.

            It’s tragic, the perpetuating of racial animosity by all ethnic parties. And as Kant asserted about lying, completely and utterly irrational. Because if people adapt lying as the standard then lying losing it’s very effectiveness because the truth is no longer is assumed.

            The same can be said for harmonious race relations: all people need to be on board and committed and if not to an idealistic ivory tower harmony, at least to common human respect. Otherwise the racist virus spreads airborne like a boomerang, amplified on each ugly pass.

    • Karah October 15, 2014 at 8:11 pm #

      That’s an interesting point, and Janos brought up another one considering how a nation will emerge after a massive police state exerts its authority.

      Obviously, the characters Buck Stud target do not trust authorities.
      We see that playing out in Ferguson off and on and off and on. As long as whoever is behind the agitators can keep on supporting them and bailing them out. Those would be mainly the tattooed people.

      The obese druggies are already isolated because they do not get out much. I think drugs with needles have gone out of style and pills, powders and smokes are in, that will prevent the spread of blood.

      Facebook is overtaking Jerry Springer in ratings. He will not survive in the mainstream much longer. In fact, he is one of those individuals who will be doing all he can to protect himself from being infected…spit on…and all that.

  91. volodya October 15, 2014 at 3:06 pm #

    Mister Darling, how much is the Dow down so far today? 370 points?

    So, what’s the Fed going to do? It’s running out of cards. Cut interest rates? Oops, played that one already. Expand the Fed balance sheet? Oops, played that one too.

    What Yellen ought to do is what the Fed ought to have done a generation ago but didn’t. That is, to NOT use monetary hoses to try to douse fires in the REAL economy that had REAL sources, by which I mean the steady destruction of American demand caused by offshoring and the consequent collapse of the American middle class.

    More generally to stay out of Wall Street’s pockets, to NOT confuse what happens on the NYSE and the NASDAQ with what happens on the Main Streets of the REAL world.

    What the Fed has been doing is to prevent a re-structuring of the US economy to sustainability by artificially propping up demand through money printing. Anyone with a stitch of sense would know better. But not the Harvard and Princeton economists.

    The can the Fed has been kicking down the road gets bigger with each successive kick. It’s the size of a dumpster now, full of the rotting financial garbage from a generation of failed policies.

    So what have we got? Walking-dead banks still run by the same old crooks. Walking dead households trying to scratch by with part-time, short-term, minimum wage, no benefit jobs out of which the PhD economists insist will come middle class spending and consumption.

    What did one state governor say? Something like, we prefer to talk about the maximum wage and not the minimum wage. Great, that’s innovative, the minimum wage as the maximum wage.

    So, the result: two leaky, sputtering financial nukes, those being a trillion in student loans and lord knows how much in sub-prime auto loans. Collection agencies and the repo man will be awfully busy and no doubt the next big thing will be their IPOs. That’s the next Wall Street scam. A big pile of money to be made out of this mess. At least for people with strong stomachs.

    Scavenging through garbage will be the way for a lot of people. Not only literal garbage dumps and the discarded metal/plastic riches they offer but financial garbage.

    So, young man, in my opinion, if you don’t want to stink like garbage at the end of a long, lousy day and if you have to get a gun to make a living, become a repo man. Well, yes, you will still stink but in a different way. You can make a living out of it for a while at least.

    • Buck Stud October 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm #

      When you mention student loans are you taking about those via the Govt or private loans? Because I have been reading that federal student loans are bringing in big bucks for the govt. Of course, the GOP wants to re-insert the big banks as a middleman again, just to further maximize Wall Street and further torture Main Street.

  92. contrahend October 15, 2014 at 3:30 pm #

    So, what’s the Fed going to do? It’s running out of cards. Cut interest rates? Oops, played that one already. Expand the Fed balance sheet? Oops, played that one too.

    what the DOW is down 1.7% and you’ve already heralded the end of everything?

    you people need to get real.

    the fed can spend as much money as it wants to do achieve whatever it wants to. ain’t sayin’ that’s good, just saying it’s possible.


    • MisterDarling October 15, 2014 at 4:15 pm #


      re | “the fed can spend as much money as it wants to do achieve whatever it wants to. ain’t sayin’ that’s good, just saying it’s possible.”-c.

      You fail to *compre*hend that it’s not just the DOW. There’s been a steady crumble since The Fed’ announced that it was going to stop propping up ‘The Market’. Why? Because they’ve acknowledged that QE is not “possible” forever.

      Eventually, reality intrudes.

      At this time we have a number of meltdown indicators popping simultaneously. This would not be possible if 7 years of central bank intervention was at all effective. [*]

      The BIS realizes this, has warned that it is not working and that is why Janet Yellen is stuck with the job of unwinding America.

      This stuff is a lot more complex than slingin’ code, contra.

      — — —

      [*] the actual financial collapse happened August 10th/11th 2007, when LIBOR froze and would not ‘unstick’ without “extraordinary” (read: illegal under any other conditions) means.

  93. Cold N. Holefield October 15, 2014 at 4:57 pm #

    This is getting serious. Now it’s the Dutch and this time it’s not a healthcare worker, but a reporter.

    Dutch Reporter Goes Ebola During Interview

    What a bunch of sickos in the comments at that link. It never ceases to amaze me how low people can and will go.

    • Karah October 15, 2014 at 11:47 pm #

      oh ya..euroland is way ahead of u.s. in the ebola outbreaks….five so far…germany spain and italy.

      italy has a huge african refugee/imigree situation. i bet they are the next nation to have an erruption of cases in their ghettos. they may never get reported because of italians having lotsa secret keepers.
      they will probly never allow the blacks in their hospitals to begin with. so far all the cases have been high profile people like priests, nurses and doctors.

      i wonder if there is a way to measure which countries are better at keeping secrets than others?

      • MisterDarling October 16, 2014 at 1:13 am #

        Italy quarantined an entire boatload of illegal immigrants (40+ persons) two months ago in northern Italy. I posted the link to that information (available from an open source).

        Did you notice how they threw in the towel on rescuing boat-borne illegals two weeks ago, claiming that they weren’t being supported by other (impacted) EU nations?

        L’Italia just does not have the time and resources for a self-destructive, undefined and indefinite mission… And only fools kid themselves into believing that they do.

      • Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 7:03 am #

        I don’t know — but proper etiquette during an Ebola pandemic is to avoid white clothing of any sort, especially tight white pants. This reporter should have known better. Shame on her and shame on the CDC for not issuing attire protocols to reporters covering this budding plague.

  94. contrahend October 15, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    You fail to *compre*hend that it’s not just the DOW. There’s been a steady crumble since The Fed’ announced that it was going to stop propping up ‘The Market’. Why? Because they’ve acknowledged that QE is not “possible” forever. Eventually, reality intrudes. At this time we have a number of meltdown indicators popping simultaneously. This would not be possible if 7 years of central bank intervention was at all effective. [*]

    This could have been said 20 years ago when the US had a $2 trillion national debt. The PPT’s been in place since, what, 1989 (I may be off on this).

    It’s all been unsustainable relatively forever now…

    …and keeps going on.

    SSN is bankrupt, the checks keep coming. Same for medicaid and other programs ad nauseum.

    yeah i get that there’s inflation eroding the dollar’s value….been that way for decades.

    meltdown indicators….chernobyl, fukushima, swine flu, avian bird flu, ebola, 1 quadrillion in derivatives, the japanese stock market crashing violently for 25 years now, nasdaq down by multiples, population up….

    central banks have been intervening forever and a day. it’s not just the last 7 years.

    i’m not convinced the end is nigh. i used to be, but jesus ain’t coming back (tho’ i do love the guy, i really do), the mayans were wrong. the world isn’t going anywhere, and we’re never going back to a world made by hand.


  95. progress4what October 15, 2014 at 6:46 pm #

    “Where are you in relation to Savannah?” – q –

    I wish I’d known you were coming through. I would have told you to drop by and visit some of my relatives. They’re mostly staying here these days. http://www.savannahga.gov/?nid=864

    Savannah is an amazing old town, with way more history than would seem possible. Almost every time there’s construction downtown that involves disturbing soil that hasn’t been disturbed in a while – they will have to stop excavations temporarily because contractors have run into an old burial site. Savannah knew a bit about plagues and death from very early on. Could be part of the reason native born Georgians are a little more dialed in to worries about overpopulation, excessive immigration, and human tragedy.

    And good luck with your trip. That storm came through here day before yesterday. (I’m about 200 miles north of Savannah these days.) We had 6 inches of rain spread over two days. It over topped the dam on the little pond I built 2 years ago – first time that’s ever happened. I’ll have to find some big rocks to fix some eroded spots as soon as things dry out a little.


    And Cold, I’ve gotta’ ask. You looked up obits under the name “Shtik,” and didn’t find anything? That’s amazing. Such a common last name, too.

    • Cold N. Holefield October 15, 2014 at 7:07 pm #

      I would have told you to drop by and visit some of my relatives.

      What a nice gesture. Q. could have shown them his cock rings.

      Such a common last name, too.

      It’s more common than you think. You’re next.

      • progress4what October 15, 2014 at 7:59 pm #

        Never happen without govt. help.

        • Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 6:59 am #

          What? Immigration reform? That’s why it’ll never happen. Don’t hold your breath. “You’re next” meant it was your turn to respond — and you did.

          • progress4what October 16, 2014 at 10:50 am #

            Yeah … umm … sure. Whatever you say, Cold.
            You’ve tried before to hack my identity.
            What you did with Orionoir was pretty vile, btw.

  96. progress4what October 15, 2014 at 7:58 pm #

    “If I bring up any of these topics to family and friends i’m told basically to shut the F up in no uncertain terms.” – backrow –

    Wow! You’re saying that all of your friends and family are like Contrahend and PK Rugman.

    That’s some scary sh*t, brh.
    And it’s not even Halloween, yet.

    • BackRowHeckler October 15, 2014 at 11:51 pm #

      Ya, everybody is doing pretty well and are satisfied with their lives.

      Nobody around here wants to hear my bullsh-t, ‘specially my wife.

      “And why are you reading all those goddam books”, is another thing I hear a lot.


  97. contrahend October 15, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

    Wow! You’re saying that all of your friends and family are like Contrahend and PK Rugman.

    i think kontrahend and pkrugman are diametrically opposed. read the posts, bits.

    i never say shut the eff up, i -cite- reasons why dümsday scenarios won’t pan out.


    • progress4what October 16, 2014 at 10:47 am #

      “i never say shut the eff up, i -cite- reasons why dümsday scenarios won’t pan out…” – contra –

      I very much doubt that backrow’s friends and family tell him to “shut the fuck up,” in a literal sense. Although that does make for an amusing mental image.

      My larger point about you and the rugman stands.

  98. Q. Shtik October 15, 2014 at 11:25 pm #


    Yesterday we drove 494 miles (I rounded up to 500) and today 522 miles. We’re in Fredericksburg, VA. To be back in Jersey I’d have to have done another 300-400 miles or so and most of it in the dark of night. Besides which we have to stop in Maryland and unload a bunch of furniture, stay overnight then proceed back to NJ.

    You seem to have a real hard on about this inheritance…wuts up wit dat?

    You don’t need to concern yourself about me living it up. One of the first things I said to my wife was “I hope you don’t think this is going to change my natural sensible frugality.” She agreed that was not likely.

    My brother and I have the same last name. There is no obit because my brother accomplished his end; he made himself virtually invisible to society and all family except me and even with me contact was extremely sparse.

  99. Buck Stud October 15, 2014 at 11:42 pm #

    Meanwhile, a very hopeful message from Robert REICH:

    “Will we ever have a politics that raises income taxes on the wealthy to finance world-class schools for our kids, raises the minimum wage to a living wage, provides a minimum guaranteed income, ensures reproductive and equal-marriage rights, protects our environment, and restores equal opportunity in America? Yes. How can I be sure? Because women are gaining economic and therefore political power, Latinos are gaining strength in numbers, African-Americans are becoming ever more politically active, and young people are the future. Meanwhile, white, mostly rural, mostly male, conservative voters are gradually disappearing. The most popular show on Fox News is Bill O’Reilly’s, but the median O’Reilly viewer is now over 72 years old. In actuarial terms, O’Reilly’s viewers will mostly be gone in a decade. The average Fox News viewer overall is 68.8 years.

    The future belongs to progressives. The real question is what we do with it.”

    • BackRowHeckler October 15, 2014 at 11:55 pm #

      Maybe Whitey can be eliminated altogether, Buck.

      Then you’ll have the utopia you’ve been longing for, like Haiti, or the Congo.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 1:02 am #

      Yeah, earlier you wanted racial harmony. Now you are thrilled about a guy who is thrilled about genocide.

      From what I’ve seen, it’s always only been Whites giving and minorities taking, blaming, and demanding more. Columbus Day is beginning to be abolished. Our monuments are being pulled down and our heroes ignored or demonized. Is this the way to harmony or an early step towards genocide? Obviously the latter.

      • Buck Stud October 16, 2014 at 1:43 am #

        You miss the point which is not surprising given your myopic view on race; it’s about the progressive agenda cited by Reich in the opening sentence

        But let’s face it, this generation of older white males are far less men than their predecessors. Many of their fathers and grandfathers were part of the Labor Movement in this country. And how did this current crop of elderly white males honor their progenitors? They sold out to a union busting president once they had achieved a middle class comfort only made possible by the Labor Movement’s battle against economic barbarism. A battle paid for with the blood, sweat, life and tears of their fathers.

        You might say there are a generation of ingrates, generally speaking given their overall politics. And yes, the country will be far better off without them, IMO.

        • BackRowHeckler October 16, 2014 at 2:53 am #

          The only unions still around that amount to anything are the Public Sector Unions.

          Does a larger group of parasites exist in the whole wide world?


      • Buck Stud October 16, 2014 at 1:48 am #

        Oh and if want to stretch and distort with ‘genocide’ comments then take it up with ‘Father Time’ because progressives are in no way advocating genocide along the lines of say, the Holocaust. A tragic history that you have called into question.

        • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 5:34 am #

          Even if six million died (and no researcher believe that anymore), why is there so little heard about the millions more Russians and Ukrainians who died? And the millions of German Civilians? Why are you playing favorites? Could it because your compassion is compassed by the parameters of what is politically correct? Flail safe.

  100. Pucker October 16, 2014 at 12:02 am #

    Are you Shit’n Me?!

  101. pkrugman October 16, 2014 at 1:09 am #

    Scientists at Nanyang Technology University (NTU) have developed ultra-fast charging batteries that can be recharged up to 70 per cent in only two minutes. The new generation batteries also have a long lifespan of over 20 years, more than 10 times compared to existing lithium-ion batteries.

    This breakthrough has a wide-ranging impact on all industries, especially for electric vehicles, where consumers are put off by the long recharge times and its limited battery life. With this new technology by NTU, drivers of electric vehicles could save tens of thousands on battery replacement costs and can recharge their cars in just a matter of minutes. Rechargeable lithium-ion batteries are commonly used in mobile phones, tablets, and in electric vehicles.

    In the new NTU-developed battery, the traditional graphite used for the anode (negative pole) in lithium-ion batteries is replaced with a new gel material made from titanium dioxide. Titanium dioxide is an abundant, cheap and safe material found in soil.



    Apocalyptic spin art speaks of black swans… the nattering naysayers of negativism say there are no white swans… and there aren’t … until there are.

    Real life is not spin art. In real life technological progress advances… abundantly … safely … and cheaply. Contrahend is right about technology.

    • BackRowHeckler October 16, 2014 at 1:21 am #

      Who needs electric cars? Gas is $2 per gallon.

  102. pkrugman October 16, 2014 at 1:53 am #

    “…it’s always only been Whites giving…” — Janos

    Last week you were speaking positively of the achievements of Black African civilization, of the achievements of Black Egyptians** with their pyramids. Now you are saying only whites give?

    Whites are particularly dangerous to themselves with their white-on-white violence (Italian fascists, German Nazis, Russian Bolsheviks, Brits, French, etc. … millions upon millions of whites slaughtered by whites in World War 1 and World War 2 in white-on-white violence that reflects a lack of culture. Whites have used their intelligence to develop the technology of death and destruction but have not develop apace morally.

    Whites have also made positive contributions throughout history. Objectively speaking, all races have contributed to humanity’s advance. No race should be considered superior or inferior to another.


    **Egypt is in Africa. http://www.nationsonline.org/map_small/egypt_africa.jpg


    “Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization?”

    To which Gandhi replied, “I think it would be a good idea.”

    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 6:17 am #

      Blacks didn’t build the Pyramids. The Ancient Egyptians were Caucasian and the Elite were even of Northern European blood at times. Blacks were later they were foolishly let into Egypt as slaves and soldiers. Briefly Black mercenaries overthrew a weak Dynasty and reigned for a hundred years until they were thrown down.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 6:25 am #

      I hope and assume you don’t believe this drivel. But know that every idle word will be held against your account in the Hall of Justice when your heart is weighed on the feather balance of Maat.

      The idea that Blacks are our equals is not only baseless but ludicrous, and not only ludicrous but offensive.

  103. pkrugman October 16, 2014 at 1:59 am #

    “Who needs electric cars? Gas is $2 per gallon.” –BRH

    It wouldn’t matter if gasoline is 2 cents a gallon because we have to leave most of the petroleum in the ground. If we extract and burn it all, we will destroy the planet. That is why electric vehicles (buses, trucks, trollies, etc.) are needed.

    In a world that has never produced so much oil and gas, the United Nations is seeking to persuade producers they need to leave three-quarters of their reserves in the ground and explore cleaner energy to combat climate change. “The fossil fuels we do use must be utilized sparingly and responsibly,” Christiana Figueres, UN climate chief, said in the copy of a prepared speech to the industry. “Three-quarters of the fossil fuel reserves need to stay in the ground.”


  104. Pucker October 16, 2014 at 4:25 am #

    I know a British bloke who makes his living literally giving out awards to British investment bankers.

    The British are a strange lot—Even to this day they’re utterly convinced that British imperialism was a mission of civilization and human betterment.

    Notwithstanding the protests in Hong Kong, at least the bloody British are gone from Hong Kong.

  105. Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 6:54 am #

    You seem to have a real hard on about this inheritance…wuts up wit dat?

    I’m jealous.

    I assumed you’d do the rest of the trip in one day. I assumed wrong, but I understand. You’re no Spring Chicken — long trips take a toll on geriatrics.

    Was the pecan a la mode at Cracker Barrel? I loves me some Cracker Barrel — truly.

    I was being facetious about you living it up. You have never struck me as the type to change his stripes. You’re like the boy in the striped pajamas all growed up in the same pajamas. Zebras and all that jazz.

    Today will be the telling day. My guess is the IP L-DOPA will lose its efficacy.

    I still don’t understand no obit. It doesn’t compute. Did you not have a memorial service? Are you and your family not going to get together and have a little service for him in thanks for his generosity?

    Your story is a perverted version of Irwin Shaw’s Rich Man Poor Man. Maybe we could make an Indie film of it. If you agree, I’ll start writing the screen play. The part about prostitutes and cock rings should be a snap.

  106. FincaInTheMountains October 16, 2014 at 7:36 am #

    Bye bye Baghdad, Hello Saigon circa 1974

  107. seawolf77 October 16, 2014 at 8:15 am #

    Ebola might be the new Spanish Flu, and though most people people don’t know, there was a mini depression in 1920. President Harding made all the right moves and we were out of it in 6 months. Less than 10 years later the Great Depression hit. Hoover and FDR made all the wrong moves and it lasted 10 years and caused another world war. Which outcome do you think awaits us now? The response and conduct of the CDC and the city of Dallas does not give me hope. It is hard to imagine anything more deleterious to world trade than a pandemic.

  108. progress4what October 16, 2014 at 10:28 am #

    “Will we ever have a politics that raises income taxes on the wealthy to finance world-class schools for our kids, raises the minimum wage to a living wage, provides a minimum guaranteed income, ensures reproductive and equal-marriage rights, protects our environment, and restores equal opportunity in America? Yes” – r. REICH, from bs –


    Sorry buck, but you and RR really believe this? Haha, I say.

    What gutted the US labor force as members of a viable middle class was NOT voting patterns of your despised “older whiter” demographic. If fact, it was the flooding of labor markets with millions and millions of new labor force immigrants while real jobs were off-shored. And this immigration and off-shoring still proceeds, despite the fact that it is against the interest of your all-powerful white and elderly demographic – who vote against it at every (rare and carefully obscured) opportunity.

    Absent environmental (is disease part of the environment?) catastrophe or some other unforeseen catastrophe – the future of the US is going to look more and more like a lower class third world country, but without ANY of the benefits of third world countries.

    IOW, we won’t have walkable communities of kindred souls living near their families and food sources. What we will have will be islands of prosperity surrounded by vast miasmic seas of poverty, where people munch GMO food and watch media drivel.

    And you and Robert REICH (what’s up with the all caps, btw?) think that voting will change this future. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    • Buck Stud October 16, 2014 at 11:40 am #


      I’m very rusty with the typing and I have been doing a lot of outdoor on site painting–“Plein Air” as they say– which is hard on the eyes so a lot of mistakes slip through unnoticed by myself.

      I don’t dispute that unchecked immigration has marginalized and hurt American workers. But why don’t you acknowledge that this was orchestrated by ‘old white guys’ or to be even more precise, old white GOP businessmen in general?

      In fact, and I mentioned this last week , it was the GOP who objected to worker ID laws which have the potential of thwarting the main reason for illegal immigration: the allure of unrestricted employment. Of course this doesn’t set well with the chicken and garment factories, the construction.housing industry etc,etc,etc.

      But life is a circle and needs to complete itself and thus the paradox: the very same workers who initially benefited GOP greed and union busting strategy are now the voters who will undercut their political prowess.

      Not acknowledging this dynamic is akin to lauding the sun while denying the inevitable sunset. And make no mistake, the sun is setting on the GOP even if they happen to temporarily rent the Senate majority for the next two years.

      As the world turns so do consequences. And now the GOP, along their supporters, are living with the consequences of their delusion and greed which is another perverse paradox trickling and dripping down on ‘the party of personal responsibility”.

      Of course I have some sympathy for the BRH’s of the world. Decent hard working citizens who were hoodwinked by the Daniel Boone ‘thy own bootstraps’ line of bull and who acted as front line foot soldiers for the purveyors of greed. They never were important to their masters, just sacrificial lambs in the game of economic stratification.

      And so now they blame the innocent workers from afar who simply wanted to earn a living for their family while focusing the vitriol of their betrayal upon the black guy — “O’Bummer” as they like to call him.

      But it’s late in the game and time to look reality in the eye: you were sold down the river by those you considered “your own kind”.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 2:32 pm #

        Your hand betrayed Strangelove. You love your little Napoleon RR.

        You continue to wildly inconsistent, combining deep insights with laughable errors. Yes the BRH’s have been betrayed but innocent workers from afar? In this contracting economy? Tens of millions of them? It’s an invasion. Some degree of xenophobia is normal even in the best of times. But you advocate xenophillia in a crisis. Now you tell me what the evolutionary value of that is. And why expect struggling people to endorse it. Competition is a big part of life – in other contexts you understand that.

        Just got a red line under xenophillia. Why is that not a word but xenophobia is? The whole structure of our thought has been streamlined into slavery.

      • capt spaulding October 17, 2014 at 8:28 am #

        The answer to middle class job loss is the fact that the 3rd world finally learned to manufacture, and once that happened, the jobs left. Going largely to China, it sucked the guts out of middle class blue collar workers and left us working service jobs for ten bucks an hour. If you’re lucky.

  109. pkrugman October 16, 2014 at 10:53 am #

    “The Ancient Egyptians were Caucasian…” — Janos

    DNA analysis of the family of Pharaoh Tutankhamen shows that the closest living relatives of the mummies are sub-Saharan Africans, especially those from Southern Africa and the African Great Lakes region. DNA analysis of Ramesses III found that among present-day populations, Ramesses’ autosomal STR profile is most frequently found in the African Great Lakes region, where it is over 300 times as frequent as in the world as a whole.

    “According to a genetic study in December 2012, Ramesses III belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1a with an East Africa Origin, a YDNA haplogroup that predominates in most Sub-Saharan Africans.”

    Likewise, the evidence from Greek and Roman historians, physical anthropology, linguistics, osteological evidence (bone analysis), melanin dosage tests, etc. all show that Ancient Egyptians were Black, as in Nubian Black, as in Negroid. That the Black race is responsible for ancient Egyptian civilization is confirmed by multiple sources of reliable evidence.

    • MisterDarling October 16, 2014 at 3:21 pm #

      Well Janos and likeminded others,

      I have to concur with Mr. Rugman on this. This is what the scientific evidence supports… If you’d like to introduce us to a fascinating White Supremacist theory about w-t-h happened after that, be my guest.

      I’m always up for a little levity.


      • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 9:11 pm #

        Why you desperate passion and explosive laughter? Is a Black Egypt your last best hope to prove that Blacks are our equals? Did we “steal” their knowledge as the Ghetto Rap philosophers claim? Is knowledge something than can be stolen like this? As if it was a flat screen TV? Shouldn’t Blacks still have the knowledge that Whites took? Or do you lean towards the flat screen TV theory of knowledge?


    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 5:46 pm #

      Tut had the genotype common to Northern Europeans of today. But he had the enormously elongated skull of the ancient aristocrats – a type almost vanished from todays world. So where they a different race? Or are we of the White Race their diminished descendants, or even genetically engineered workers? With a brain of 2000 cc, one can only imagine how intelligent them must have been.

      James Carville has a modest development of this kind of skull without the IQ evidently.

  110. progress4what October 16, 2014 at 11:08 am #

    “About 40 years have passed since the moment when the last world currency – US Dollar – has totally disconnected from economic reality and world entered the realm of virtual monetary system. World has changed dramatically since that time. Today the majority of us could hardly imagine the monetary system that reflects real material values, however that (is) how it existed for 5000 years.” – fincain in mountains –

    That’s some interesting stuff, fincain. Do you have a link?
    I was searching for your sources on the open internet. Didn’t find a link that furnished direct blocks of your prose – so you don’t appear to be plagiarizing, to your credit.

    I did find this article. Absolutely fascinating that someone, or several someones, would work so hard to make up a conspiracy out of whole cloth. This thing ties everything together – from the Cold War, to the War on Terror, and back around to JFK and the US space program. Fascinating.


    • FincaInTheMountains October 16, 2014 at 11:36 am #

      Sorry, it was an unintended plagiarism – I just forgot to put a link to “The Conspiracy Files. Part 2”. (However, I did put a link to “The Conspiracy Files. Part 1” and that particular blog doesn’t allow fixes to your post.

      I just came across that article in Russian :


      and decided it would be worthwhile making an English translation for the benefit of CFNers.

      There is a part 3 – just didn’t get to translating.

    • FincaInTheMountains October 16, 2014 at 11:47 am #

      Being mathematician by training, I have a need to find a comprehensive logical framework that, just like the Euclid Geometry based on few (5) axioms would build up a beautiful encompassing theory deriving each particular physical case.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 8:56 pm #

        For economics? Or everything. I’ve heard someone did that for economics using a Newtonian model. Einstein tried to do it for physics but failed.

  111. progress4what October 16, 2014 at 11:46 am #

    “And it doesn’t help when all people are not on the same racial harmony page. After the game many of the black players refused to shake hands and one in particular was uttering ‘Fuck You’ obscenities as he walked by each opposing player. Very disappointing to say the least, if not unsurprising given the racial powder keg that let’s a person know there is still a fuse dangling about in the year 2014.” – buck –

    Interesting post, buck. And it’s disheartening how fast things are sliding backwards on the racial harmony front. Maybe this is a consequence of “peak everything,” and declining shares of a shrinking pie for all citizens. Or maybe it’s due to deliberate racial pandering by those who should not be doing it.

    Remember I spent a career in public service where absolute racial neutrality was absolutely mandatory. And if anyone, especially anyone in leadership, failed to express racial neutrality they were subject to immediate discipline, up to and including termination.

    Therefore watching Pres. Obama and Eric Holder and many others in left-leaning leadership express the absolute opposite of racial neutrality concerning Trayvon and Ferguson, in particular – has been most disturbing to observe.

    And the words of Obama and Holder have certainly served to shorten the metaphorical fuse, that you mentioned in your post.

    • Buck Stud October 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm #


      It happened; I witnessed it. And I am not one of these people who claim that racism is just a disease of white people. I read racist comments from blacks and Latinos as well whites.

      On one FB page for example, the racist banter flung about by certain Latinos toward Whites is eye opening. There is a lot of deep bitter resentment towards ‘yuppie whites’ who have moved into formerly Chicano neighborhoods as a result of gentrification.

      And typical of most humans this dynamic is viewed through a racial lens as opposed to an economic lens.

      And to highlight another irony. The walk around town centers and municipal designs that JHK rightfully lauds has been co-opted by ‘square footage bankers” and hack architects. And it is always sold with “Green’ wrapping paper. So the young white yuppies move in, raise real estate prices and property taxes, and the former Chicano residents are sent packing out to the new barrios, the suburbs.

      And the architecture is nothing but shitty square Jetson boxes that replace torn down Victorian buildings.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 8:52 pm #

      If everyone is racist, then why not just accept that it’s natural? And then act accordingly, namely stop mixing the races into the same political entities.

  112. progress4what October 16, 2014 at 11:57 am #

    “I don’t dispute that unchecked immigration has marginalized and hurt American workers. But why don’t you acknowledge that this was orchestrated by ‘old white guys’ or to be even more precise, old white GOP businessmen in general?” – buck –

    Buck – for an educated artist of at least age 45, I’d guess. You still see the political landscape in incredibly stark shades GOP/Dem.

    And you seem unaware that most of our national “leadership,” of both parties – will do almost anything and sell out almost any group, as long as their perks and campaign contributions do not stop.

    • Buck Stud October 17, 2014 at 3:16 pm #


      To my eyes, there are indeed some stark differences on important issues. For instance, all the GOP appointed Supreme Court Justices said yea on Citizen United; all the Dem appointees, nay. Same thing in the Senate: GOP yes; DEM, no.

      The GOP wants to raise student loan interest rates and funnel even more profit to the big banks. Dems, in general, oppose raising student loan interest rates.

      The GOP loathes health insurance reform (even though “Obamacare’ was conceived in a GOP think tank, the Heritage Foundation or something similar as I recall) and has no problem with insurance company CEO’s pocketing billions in bonuses while they have historically refused to budge on pre-existing condition clauses for Main Street and never once sought to remedy the injustice via legislation.

      Dems in general are far more open minded and supportive of mass transit; the GOP opposes such projects in general (see the Koch Bros link from last week).

      Of course there are similarities between the political parties, but as mentioned before, that is because the country itself –the Constitution, culture, economic system, etc–is the overarching light key which colors both the GOP and Dems with a unifying harmony. But that does not mean there are not differences or variety within the greater unity/harmony.

      To use an analogy from painting and to elaborate on ‘light key’. In the late evening the low setting sun illuminates all of the upright planes with a yellow/orange light. I’m sure that down in Georgia you see some beautiful yellow orange light near the top of trees at sunset. Alternatively, the horizontal planes such as the ground planes will not be as warm as the upright planes because the low angle of the sunlight “slides” over these planes which are then primarily lit by the cooler light of the sky. Hence that beautiful red clay on the ground starts to take on a purplish/burnt sienna tone in late evening because the cool blue(ish) light of the sky imbues the ground planes with a cooler visual appearance.

      To further elaborate, the vertical aspect of a red building facing the sun in late evening will appear more orange than red as the late light warms the red while the shade side of the red building may appear more purplish because the blue of the sky reflects in the red of the building–red and blue equal purple to over simplify.

      It seems to me that too many confuse the overarching harmonic ‘light key’ of the country with an indefinable generic sameness: “Not a dime’s worth of difference between Dems and Repubs!”. But as explained above, there are definite differences within a given light key and these differences are important to see and understand: Variety within harmony if you will. And if you’re not seeing differences you’re not really looking, don’t have the perceptual ability, are being disingenuous so as to diabolically discourage voters of the opposing party, or just have succumbed to a lazy, indifferent apathy.

      Having written all that it’s also important,IMO, not to look with ‘expectation’ (such as the examples above) and learn to see unfettered because these preconceived biases are then projected upon the visual process resulting in mannerisms and cliched formula: replacing ‘one beam in the eye for another’ to invoke Van Gogh.

      So please feel free to ‘straighten me out’ if you believe me to be wrong as I’m all ears 🙂

  113. FincaInTheMountains October 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

    Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Lockheed Martin Corp said on Wednesday it had made a technological breakthrough in developing a power source based on nuclear fusion, and the first reactors, small enough to fit on the back of a truck, could be ready for use in a decade.

    I am pretty sure that this is relatively old stuff – a lot was in the air. Something is changing, though, allowing research projects in fusion to come forward.

  114. FincaInTheMountains October 16, 2014 at 12:30 pm #

    Despite what many Americans think of Military Industrial Complex, I am pretty sure that MIC is America’s only chance to get back on track technologically.

    That small announcement by Yahoo really made my day (probably my year) – humanity still got a chance.

  115. Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 1:39 pm #

    You seem to have a real hard on about this inheritance…wuts up wit dat?

    Also, I don’t want to see you go the way of so many dodo lottery winners. Perhaps it would have been better had it played out like it did for Michael Sangree per the linked article below and you never were bequeathed this small fortune. It’s easy to say it won’t corrupt you — that’s what they all say, but so many succumb to the curse of unexpected fortune. Maybe you’ll be one of the few exceptions. Maybe not.

    Michael Sangree misses out on Powerball prize. — No big payout coming for Ashford resident

  116. Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 4:30 pm #

    Oh no, brh, it’s heading your way. Time to duck and cover — and look, it was an Ivy League do-gooder versus the Hispanics. I sure wish the Ivy League set wasn’t so good and didn’t do so much good. It’s the kind of help we can do without, thank you very much. Still, I saw somewhere there’s an army of do-good volunteers clamoring to get over to Liberia and help out. God help us — except he/she/it won’t.

    Yale Student Being Treated for ‘Ebola-Like Symptoms’

    • BackRowHeckler October 16, 2014 at 5:15 pm #

      The question is CNH, who will save us from the do-gooders (and the activists of all stripes)? New Haven is full of them, and not just at Yale. Not too many days go by when there is not a demonstration or march at the New Haven Green, usually accompanied by some left wing street theatre; Save the Whale, Save Planet Earth, are you keen on Buddha?, Gaza needs $$$, stamp out GMH food, diapers for the 3rd world, clean water for Nepal, billionaires for Bush … and that’s just for starters, you get the gist.

      You can always tell the do gooder by the smug, other wordly, sh-t eating grin on the do gooders face, which comes from a sense of moral superiority and a disdain for ordinary people looking out for their own self interests, non do gooders.

      Message to all Ivy League do gooders gone to Africa to save Africans: Please stay in Africa. Don’t come back and spread these filthy infectious diseases, derived from squalor and eating half cooked monkey (Bushmeat) around here, looking for free medical care. Go ahead, assuage your personal guilt and in some cases exercise your personal mental illness; become full bore do gooders and sacrifice yourself on the alter do goodism liked you learned back in Sociology class.


      • Cold N. Holefield October 16, 2014 at 6:42 pm #

        I like that rant there, brh.

        A butt-load of “Death on the Installment Plan” by Celine in that ejaculated prose. You made me lol several times reading it. The beauty of satire.

        If Ebola catches on at Yale and becomes a fad or trend, they’ll have to change the name of the infamous Skull & Bones to Blood & Tissue and replace Geronimo’s skull with Duncan’s ashes.

        The whole name thing in this Pandemic Theater amuses me. Somebody screwed up the script — the late Liberian with the name Thomas Eric Duncan (why all three names like lone-nut presidential assassins Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth?) should be named Ashoka Mukpo and the do-gooder lib NBC cameraman with the name Ashoka Mukpo should be named Thomas Eric Duncan. At least that’s what Sesame Street taught me.

        Some days, like today and many days lately, I think they’re (whoever “they’re” is) laughing at us. That’s fine — I’m laughing too cuz it sure beats crying.

        Don’t Let the Sun Catch You Crying

  117. Karah October 16, 2014 at 6:32 pm #


    By Miguel Marquez, CNN
    Published: October 10, 2014, 7:04 am Updated: October 10, 2014, 9:10 am

    Immunity for 10 years…virus in the semen for up to 3 months…

    showing symptoms as soon as 2 days after exposure.


    If the science we read is accurate then we should be seeing this in real life. We have in Dallas as of Oct. 14,15. Because the nurses became incubator/carriers of a live virus they have been shipped out of state. This activity is purely for appearances sake, that the virus has been contained. It hasn’t. As long as people are coming down with the serious illness it is OUT THERE.

    This is in line with what TX is doing with the Duncan family members who have not been reported to be contagious at this time by putting them in a gated community.

    The nurses are scared and telling on their “superiors”. This behavior will not help win confidence in the medical community as a whole.

    Yale university reports a POSSIBLE Ebola victim who is part of an Ebola study group recently returned from Liberia. They did not hang out in the areas with sick people but it is possible they picked it up from just being in the same country with ISPs.

    We have until Thanksgiving (USA calendar) to know for sure that Ebola has been eradicated from the Earth. That means NO NEW CASES UNTIL THANKSGIVING.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 16, 2014 at 8:49 pm #

      Glorious Leader Frieden: Only a hundred people come from the infected area of Africa every day. Only a hundred – far, far more than enough to start a pandemic. This guy is a disaster area and needs to be forced to resign.

  118. contrahend October 16, 2014 at 6:40 pm #

    …like you learned back in Sociology class.

    that’s the prollem with education – real life tough experiences should come first. THEN you go to school to learn the theory.

    ‘ceptin in that case, the theory would be laffed outta the rööm, along with the ‘teacher’.

    “it a madhouse! a madhouse!”


    truer wörds were never säid

    in bright news, nurse Pham with ebola seems to be doing well:

    Fauci said that he has been told that Pham is “stable” and “doing reasonably well,” but added that he hasn’t seen her himself yet. The facility has only two beds, he said.

    get better Nina!!!! and Amber too!!!!


  119. MisterDarling October 16, 2014 at 7:50 pm #

    Hello Contrahend,

    re | “i’m not convinced the end is nigh. i used to be, but jesus ain’t coming back (tho’ i do love the guy, i really do), the mayans were wrong. the world isn’t going anywhere, and we’re never going back to a world made by hand.”-kontra.

    I’m not sure why you brought Jesus and the Mayans into our discussion. I’ve never referred to either. The rest of that paragraph is nonsense, and you show every sign of knowing that it is, so I surmise that you got just a little emotional there. [*]

    In all your communications to CFN you struck me as a smart person whose critical-thinking faculties are impaired by a belief system. A common occurrence these days.

    The problem with Smart People is that we tend to resist understanding that human society *really is* just as pathetically motivated and stupidly executed as it appears to be. There is NO mystery about this. Just a bunch of ‘Smart-folk’ with too much mental horsepower idling, going around _over-thinking_ things and refusing the evidence of their own eyes and ears.

    I have taken note of your tendency (pronounced, by the way) to refer to ‘Technology’ the way the Hobbits of Middle-Earth talked about ‘Providence’.

    I am loathe to criticize a person for their ineffable systems of sentiment and belief, so I’ll try to meet you half-way and speak in terms of your chosen faith… Consider this a kindly-meant ‘intervention’.

    Why would I do this? Because on the off-chance that things really do head south, I wouldn’t mind if there were a few reasonable and rational people around to help figure things out – while providing interesting conversation. I’ve spent inordinate amounts of time amongst the quick-reflexed dolts of the world, and that can be more boring than I care to put up with.

    Let us begin by unpacking some of what you wrote in reply:

    re | “meltdown indicators…. chernobyl, fukushima, … the japanese stock market crashing violently for 25 years now”-kontra.

    Chernobyl: Not fixed. The old Soviet Union really screwed the pooch at Chernobyl. However, unlike present-day Japanese political management, their leadership *did* something effective about it: they buried the entire site under concrete.

    Unfortunately, that is not a permanent solution. That concrete burns when exposed to temperatures in excess of 5000-degrees F.

    Right now the Russian government are gearing up to pour more concrete on top of it – and they and their successors will continue to have to do that for All Time – or until a solution can be worked out (forty-years and we’re still waiting). If they do not, a vast swathe of their land and the land of neighboring nations will effectively be dirty-bombed.

    Please note: Nothing is ‘Okay’ about the area around Chernobyl. It is still deadly to humans, and radioactive wild boar keep migrating from it across Europe and into the verdant woods of Germany. This problem was only ‘fixed’ by Spin.

    Fukushima: Not fixed and probably ten times deadlier than Chernobyl.

    At the moment they are attempting to move over a thousand fuel rods, from the poorly-designed staging area thoughtfully positioned over a pile of nuclear fuel that has burned through the floor of its ‘containment’ building, and is entering the water table.

    Reminder: this is only one of several reactors that have gone ‘china syndrome’ onsite.

    Meanwhile, they slowly let it out that they don’t have a working plan to fix this, while stealthily bleeding radioactive water from a plethora of ‘accidental’ leaks into the spawning ground of (what used to be) delicious, premium-grade Bluefin tuna – fish that migrate across the Pacific to our sunny shores. [**]

    The Japanese government – deeply under the sway of TEPCO and affiliated corporations and criminal organizations – has responded by enacting a law ensuring a ten-year sentence to anyone making too much noise about it.

    This is yet another deal-killing problem ‘fixed’ by Spin.

    The Japanese Stock Market Meltdown: Never fixed. They did what the US Fed’ tried to do: stuff money into zombie banks and fake it until they made it.

    What they accomplished was 25 years of stagnation and a lost generation of human potential. Now, as the rest of the central-banked world flames-out, they’ve decided that burning the candle at both ends and wrapping det’-cord around the middle might do some good (or kill it that much faster?)… With predictable results.

    Each of these examples of catastrophes that supposedly didn’t happen did, and do. the others: ebola, the derivatives fiasco et al. are ongoing, and not looking promising in outcome.

    Regarding your ‘Providence’, Technology:

    I’ve always been a fan of the idea that a single person with a great idea could change the world by applying that idea. Beautiful stuff.

    So, if Technology is your ‘Supreme (means and state of) Being’, then analogously The Market is your ‘Hosts of Heaven’ since it distributes and implements Technology, and High Finance (as The Markets Arch-Facilitators) are its ‘Archangels’…

    Well, what are these Archangels up to these days?

    Let us take a look, shall we?



    If any other type of organization had that ratio of legal/ill-gotten gain, a program director from a relevant agency would implement a vast panoply of RICO-enabled law-enforcement operations against it, so as to effect its utter eradication.

    The Archangels of Technology have been seduced by Melkor and turned into Balrogs most foul, it would seem.

    I acknowledge that our present problems can or could be solve with proper application of human ingenuity. On the other hand, would these problems even be problems if we – collectively – were bright enough to make that happen?


    This is the crux of the issue.

    — — —

    [*] the world doesn’t have to go anywhere, just become a place where you don’t belong. The world of 4, 3, 2, 1 billion, 500 million or arguably 50 million years ago would have been inhospitable to you. . . And that was without any human help, whatsoever.

    [**] TEPCO refuses to write the place off. The concrete slab idea might work – but only if they cordoned and poured the whole site – and even then the weight of the slab might smoosh the entire site into the ocean.

    That left the ‘ice-wall’ idea, which was a fire-ball show to wow the hoople-heads from the start.

    None of this would have happened had TEPCO not skimped on the sea-wall and built it a little higher, by the way. It really was that simple…

  120. contrahend October 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm #

    Why would I do this? Because on the off-chance that things really do head south, I wouldn’t mind if there were a few reasonable and rational people around to help figure things out – while providing interesting conversation.

    I’d love nothing more than to spend time conversing with you in good spirits in the post-societal-crash bunkers, debating who’s right and who’s not – tho’ in that predicament it’d obviously only be a chuckle’s worth o’ debate (you’d have been right about the Apokalypsos).

    As I say at times, and in all sincerity…I reserve the right to be wrong.

    Even drunk, which I presently am, and aspire to be on a regular basis in future as well, I always leave open the possibility that my views are entirely wrong. And I’m amenable in the utmost to changing my opinions on a dime’s turn in the face of facts on the ground.

    In summation, my overarching view of things is that, in spite of the horrors inflicted by the Morlocks over the past centuries, we are making the world a better place thru Science & Technology and social advancement.

    If the world made by hand comes to pass, I’ll be in the forefront of teaching plowing and canning & yarn-spinning skills, and be the most ardent advocate when it comes to teaching the younguns not to be blinded by technological advancements, and will talk of how no one listened to james howard kunstler.

    <a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_fellow_well_metHail fellow well met

    kontrahend for now

  121. Q. Shtik October 16, 2014 at 11:30 pm #

    (I’m about 200 miles north of Savannah these days.) – Prog

    That would put you in So. Carolina somewhere. Savannah is near the SC border.

  122. beantownbill. October 17, 2014 at 1:12 am #

    So what am I to do about Ebola? Build me a fallout shelter and bug in for a year? I don’t think so; I don’t fancy emerging from my hidey-hole and playing Omega Man. Or maybe I’ll just shoot anyone who looks like a West African, or speaks with a West African accent and comes within six feet of me.

    Nah, I’ll go with the Alfred E. Neumann option: What, me worry? And if I survive I can apply this option to concerns about financial and governmental collapse, global warming, WWIII, asteroid collisions, the approach of Nibiru, attacks from Mad Max tattooed NASCAR-loving zombies, and the possible ending of “Survivor”, “Biggest Loser” and DWTS.

    • BackRowHeckler October 17, 2014 at 2:08 am #

      Foodstuffs are getting short in West Africa and the specter of famine looms large. Farms and fields have been abandoned.

      What happens when the plague reaches Baso Fasino is an open question, one to terrible to contemplate.


      • Q. Shtik October 17, 2014 at 11:18 am #

        one [to] terrible to contemplate. – BRH


  123. Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2014 at 6:51 am #

    Farms and fields have been abandoned.

    The West has been trying to overcome this human labor and know-how limitation. Does Ebola have you down? No problem, you can program your coordinates with a Smart Phone app and let remote automated technology do the farming for you while you recover — or die at Emory or the NIH in Bethesda.

    It’s a race against time. Full artificially intelligent automation hasn’t been perfected yet and perhaps Ebola knows it. Ebola could be Nature As We Knew It’s last stand before the rise of intelligent machines. If the Elite are planning a human harvest, they must be sure the machines can do for them what their meat sack slaves once did. I don’t think it’s quite there yet, and perhaps Ebola has arrived in the nick of time as the last vanguard of biology against the electro-mechanical onslaught.

    Farms of the Future Will Run on Robots and Drones

  124. Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2014 at 7:05 am #

    As James says, it’s all good. In fact, it’s not only all good, but It just keeps getting better and better. Cruise ships are floating petri dishes of death and disease. Norovirus anyone?

    Hospital Worker Who Handled Ebola Samples Is on Cruise Ship

  125. progress4what October 17, 2014 at 9:56 am #

    “That would put you in So. Carolina somewhere. Savannah is near the SC border.” – q, trying to deduce my location –

    Q, you’re thinking in straight lines, like an accountant or a truck driver.
    Try to think in circles, grasshopper.
    I’m in the N. Georgia mountains, above Atlanta.

  126. progress4what October 17, 2014 at 10:22 am #

    “Nah, I’ll go with the Alfred E. Neumann option: What, me worry? And if I survive I can apply this option….” – btb, on ebola and relaxation –

    What do you mean, “if,” boy? Maybe it’s a sign of mental instability, but I always project my survival into the far future as an absolute certainty. When I first read accounts of the end of the USS Indianapolis, I was about 10 or 11 years old. And I immediately thought to myself how I knew for a fact that I would have been one of the 317 survivors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)

    Then, when I read accounts of the Battle of Midway (I read a lot of WWII history as a kid) I always identified with the sole surviving Ensign of VT-8. He was the only one of 30 men in his squadron to survive the mission, and a Georgia natie. I didn’t want to identify with his last name, however.

    So, I’ll never worry about myself in this thing, but I will worry about others. One of my kids is an EMT in a metropolitan jurisdiction of Atlanta, which could put him way too damn close to the virus in question. We have actually discussed this a couple of times already, the last time just yesterday. He has a relatively bullet-proof immune system, and I told him that he might be lucky enough to be one of the 30-50% who gets over Ebola. BUT, I told him with emphasis – many of his family did not have his immuno-consitution, or necessarily his luck. He’s already keeping his work boots at work and changing into “civilian?” shoes for the ride home. I’m pushing him to always make time to shower at work, and change into clean street clothes for the ride home. Honestly, it’s hard for me to believe that most public health and hospital agencies don’t already have a “shower before leaving work” policy already in place.

    OK, what was the question, again, bill? haha!

  127. ZrCrypDiK October 17, 2014 at 10:46 am #

    This ebola snafu doesn’t “smell” like the classic (rotten) bush meat infestation. It has a nice, neat, engineered laboratory feel to it (20-60 day incubation period on “room-temp” surfaces) – much like the anthrax scare prior to 911 (membaz that?)…

    I feel for the incompetent, young nurses without training. I’d figure you USE your most experienced – but we’re talking TEJAS (25% poverty/starvation – why didn’t they just SUCCEED/SECEDE, welfare state leeches)… Oh yeah, rewrite history books, de-unionize, and fire the old 10-15 yr veterans, to pay new recruits 30%+++ less. Business Model/Plan!

  128. FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    Ebola – made in USA?


    Some news are circulating in Russian Internet regarding Ukrainian peacekeepers who witnessed a US Biological laboratory on a “Monkey Island” in Liberia 3 years ago before it was abandoned and “cleaned up” (whatever that mean) by US Military.

    Locals were afraid to go there for no amount of money. Interestingly enough, instead of sending medical stuff to Liberia, US is sending a military contingent.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 17, 2014 at 1:33 pm #

      “Tell me again why we want to remove Assad.”

      Too bad we did/didn’t support the insurgents (McCain?!? – help me?!)… Same ISIS guys?!…

      Tell me about Iran/Iraq/Contras (Sadam/Kurds mustard gas). Tell me about Afghanistan/Russia (Osama/Obama?!?). Such *FRIENDS*!!! Generational flip?

  129. beantownbill. October 17, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

    And now we have an Ebola Czar. Seems like a very weird term. What does he do? Sit down with his viruses around a conference room and hand out edicts to them? I feel so much better knowing that a politician with no medical experience and ties to geniuses like Joe Biden and Al Gore will be heading our Ebola war effort.

    Speaking of war efforts, I’m also happy that ISIS has finally given up the ghost and disappeared. At least, I assume they have because they’re hardly mentioned in the news. Tell me again why we want to remove Assad. I mean it can’t be because of the oil pipeline – after all, with fracking we have enough oil for the next zillion years to supply all of Europe and our own population of one billion residents (estimated future population as a result of open borders).

    • FincaInTheMountains October 17, 2014 at 12:41 pm #

      US does not want to sell oil or gas, all it wants to do is to sell futures denominated in USD, so US/UK Cartel Banks could make easy commissions without getting their white AngloSaxon hands dirty.

  130. Cold N. Holefield October 17, 2014 at 1:43 pm #

    Speaking of spin art and real life, this new Ebola Czar, a Democrat political insider with no background in infectious disease, is going to be a veritable Picasso or Rembrandt. This guy’s going to be spinning and pirouetting like Angelina Ballerina.

    Friedan couldn’t spin for the life of him and ended up revealing Obama’s got corn in his stools. He was more like Pollock slapping and slashing paint all over and around a canvas and calling the psychotic chaos that stuck, art.

  131. InquiringMind October 17, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

    What was it that the cartoon character Foghorn Leghorn used to say? “That kid is about as sharp as a pound of wet leather” …….hummm…..Yea , they shut the barn door,…AFTER they done let the dern horse get out.

  132. pkrugman October 17, 2014 at 3:42 pm #


    The World Health Organization said it “commends the country on its diligence to end the transmission of the virus,” citing Senegal’s quick and thorough response.

    This Ebola crisis disproves CFN’s “war of all against all” prejudice about how bad things are going to be when the Ebola shit hits the fan. As Senegal has proven, with intelligent collaboration it is possible to eliminate transmission of the virus.

    CFN just says “we are fucked” … everyone is out for themselves.

    Reality is proving otherwise. There are people volunteering to be trained in quarantine centers in the protocols to care for Ebola patients. Regular people in real life, not CFNers spinning apocalypse and hiding in their bunkers.

    Senegal (full of Africans… oh, my!) managed to end transmission of the Ebola virus. So can we. After all, we have two cases now, and they have not transmitted the virus.

    We have the infrastructure and the knowledge and the protocols to contain the virus. With every day that passes, the number of infected does not increase, and CFN apocalyptic spin is revealed to be just that… spin.

    Real life is not spin art.

    • InquiringMind October 17, 2014 at 10:48 pm #

      hey pkrugman ! Thanks for the latest. Was this from (Ebola) International SOS? That’s a good site to visit I think. I really hope you’re not farting rainbows.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:17 pm #

      Yes Black African Nations have closed their borders to the infected Zombie Nations. They don’t feel guilty of treating other Blacks this way. Maybe they are really are more intelligent than Whites – certainly the members of the PC Suicide Cult.

  133. michigan_native October 17, 2014 at 7:10 pm #

    Ah hell. Too stoned to be serious tonight. Here is some comic relief, and not a youtube video. Enjoy https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152161035891895&set=vb.1275854

  134. Pucker October 18, 2014 at 3:43 am #

    K Dog might be interested in this?

    Attorneys interested in animal law will learn about valuation and damages applicable in civil cases, including state comparisons and new trends for companion animals. The class will also address the replevin options for retrieving a wrongfully taken animal (how do I get my dog back?), veterinary malpractice (what happens when my animal is hurt by the vet?), along with vicious dog (what can happen if my dog bites someone?) and police dog shootings (what can I do if the police shoot my dog?), among others. The course will also include a period for question and answer.

  135. FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2014 at 5:40 am #

    View from the East: Four Gods of the West

    West is ruled by four Gods of Chaos: Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch

    Khorne is the Chaos god of anger, violence, and hate. Khorne is the mightiest and the second to emerge of the four Gods of Chaos, fully coming into existence during Terra’s Middle Ages. Every act of violence gives Khorne power, whether committed by his followers or by their enemies.
    Followers of Khorne such as Joseph Schumpeter, the author of “creative destruction” in economics. Followers of Khorne start wars around the globe, in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya. They create extremists groups such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, Ukrainian neo-fascists. They participate in punitive operations against people of SE Ukraine, carpet-shelling the residential districts.

    Nurgle is one of the four major Ruinous Powers. He is the oldest of the four, most probably because he is the God of Death and Decay and those two have been part of the galaxy since the beginning. His titles include the Plague Father, Fly Lord, Great Corruptor, Plague Lord, Master of Pestilence, Lord of Decay (the translation of his Dark Tongue name, Nurgh-leth) and represents morbidity, disease and physical corruption.
    Followers of Nurgle consume fast food, alcohol and drugs. They don’t exercise, lead chaotic sexual life. The Economics of Nurgle is “theory of fast aging”, creation of poor quality, fast breaking products that need constant replacement, consuming pharmaceutical products instead of decease prevention, treating symptoms rather than causes, consume GMO foods.
    Nurgle requires periodic sacrifices such as Oil Rig disasters, Nuclear plants meltdowns, use of Depleted Uranium weapons, Agent Orange, White Phosphorous bombs, Ebola Pandemic.

    Slaanesh is the Chaos God of lust, greed, excess, pain, pleasure, perfection and hedonism. Slaanesh was the last of the major Chaos Gods to be born—coming into existence with the collapse of the Eldar civilisation.
    Homosexuals, Pedophiles, Transvestites, Transsexuals and Metrosexuals are the followers of Slaanesh.
    The economic foundation of Slaanesh is mercantilism, utilitarianism, nihilism.

    Tzeentch is a God of Chaos who represents the vitality and volatility of change. Tzeentch is closely associated with sorcery and magic, as well as dynamic mutation, and grand, convoluted scheming. The domains of history, destiny, intrigue and plots are his chief interests, and in pursuit of these aspects he listens to the dreams and hopes of all and watches their plans take form. He is not content to merely observe, however, and chooses to interfere in the skeins of fate in order to fulfill his own, unknowably complex schemes. Tzeentch is known by an endless multitude of names, but the chief titles he bears are the Changer of the Ways, the Master of Fortune, the Great Conspirator and the Architect of Fate.
    Followers of Tzeentch are various secret societies, totalitarian sects, various closed clubs, elites of City of London and Wall Street, various Rothschilds, Baruchs, Oppenheimers, Warburgs, Kohns and other old European elites.
    The Economic Theory of Tzeentch is “The Invisible Hand of the Market”. Its tactics is to deceit, create mad theories to pass them as absolute science, lie about everything, and put people in debt slavery while telling them that they are free.

    • BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 10:39 am #

      Where’d that come from?

      I’ve never heard of any of it.


      • progress4what October 18, 2014 at 11:55 am #

        Yeah – I’d like a link, fincain. Regardless, we in the West seem to be almost totally under the control of Tzeentch.

        How do we shake him/her/it off?

      • FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

        I told you, I find Russian Internet muuuuch more interesting than English one.

        Here is original link I go it from (in Russian)

        Here are some English reference:

    • Buck Stud October 18, 2014 at 12:39 pm #

      I wonder who influences Putin?

      A good friend/artistic mentor of mine was from the old Soviet Union. He was a member of the Artists Union and had marble sculptures in the Ministry of Culture He trained in the top art institute in Moscow and he told of how Stalin’s daughter, a student herself. was dropped off in a limo to attend classes. Eventually he emigrated to the U.S on an ‘artist of special ability/stature’ visa or some such classification. He also told of how the Russian avant garde would secretly gather to watch American films and one in particular about the American sacrifice of life in WW2 Europe which was received very poignantly by the audience And how the audience spontaneously erupted into dance to the films soundtrack of 50’s American boogie.

      But to my main point. We would sit together for hours at his kitchen table discussing all sorts of subjects. And he frequently would show me non-mainstream newspaper articles which chronicled some the abuse/atrocities of Putin’s Russia. One in particular was especially reprehensible. Apparently some Russian citizens were not willing to voluntarily leave their life ling apartments to make way for some the Russian developers and they were simply burned out of their building, and for those not as lucky, simply incinerated.

      He termed the leadership over there as corrupt ‘hooligans and gangsters’.

      I suppose that little black ball in the white half of the larger circle still rolls around in lands devoid of the evil “American Gods” after all.

      • Buck Stud October 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

        or to be more precise. ‘Gods of the West’.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2014 at 1:30 pm #

        Russia undoubtedly has its dark side. Once I was involved in business transaction regarding property near Moscow and one of the participant apparently had a change of heart after he got paid what was agreed on.
        The other side, “bratva” from the Urals, was not particularly happy about it. The “unhappy fellow” rapidly disappeared from sight, his body to be found later in the river after the ice broke.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 18, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

        Apparently, things got quite bad in Russia during the 90s, the period of famous Russian Oligarchs such as Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, and others.
        Criminality was prospering everywhere, especially in Moscow and St.Petersburg. (Where Putin was a mayor at the time).

        I got out of USSR in late 80s, so I kind of missed the entire fun. But a friend of mine who wounded up on the same Caribbean Island I found myself on, told me a lot of stories of Russia’s 90s.

        He was a good fellow, made millions on pirating the VHS American movies, got f*cked up on heroin, lost almost everything.

        He spend his last years living on scraps his mother on a small pension was sending him here, periodically getting drunk on cheap Burgal Rom and died smashing his head on a bathroom floor.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

      Sounds like the murderous Gods of ancient Meso-America. Perhaps Slavs were the builders of the Mexican Pyramids, the ruling class behind those civilizations.

      Glad you are against Gays. As Gurdjieff said, Russia would fall from crazy thinking (Communism) and the West would fall thru bad food and sexual corruption.

  136. BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 9:10 am #

    Hey Jim Kunstler Happy Birthday!

    Now, as far as climate change goes, we are having our 1st frost this week, and the date has remained relatively unchanged for nearly 400 years. The date of the last frost of the season is pretty much the same every year too, about May 11.

    If the world is indeed warming up, why hasn’t the growing season been extended, by at least a little bit? That would seem to me to be beneficial. Also, I’ve been doing a lot of beach combing of late in RI and CT and the ocean appears to be where its always been.

    I’m asking these questions as someone who barely passed Earth Science, a required course, as a freshman in college.


    • progress4what October 18, 2014 at 11:52 am #

      Hey backrow –
      Yeah, the global warming theory is not responding to real data on the ground very well at all – especially in the US and n. America. As to why …. Well, it may be that there are terrestrial climate feedback systems that have not yet been accounted for. Or maybe N. America will be spared some of the worst of warming because of global wind and water current patterns. Or maybe the Sun is reducing energy output – in a fortunate coincidence with atmospheric CO2 increase. Or maybe the link between CO2 and global warming is total bull sh*t, designed to weaken the US economy while enriching various others.
      I don’t know, myself – I’m just making this up on the fly, based on my interpretations of various studies, various data, and the “news.”

      As far as sea level, though …. We keep having this same conversation, man. Sea level has increased over the past 100 years, is increasing now, and is likely to continue to increase. The changes are so slow and subtle that you’ll never notice them by a walk on the beach – but that doesn’t mean the Big O is not getting bigger. hah!

      “Current sea level rise is about 3 mm/year worldwide. According to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), “this is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years”, and the rate may be increasing. Sea level rises can considerably influence human populations in coastal and island regions and natural environments like marine ecosystems.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

      • BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 1:39 pm #

        But P2C, historically, has sea level been constant, or has it receded and advanced over the many thousands of centuries?

        Is 3mm enough to worry about, and bring Leo De Capprio to NYC on his Gulf Stream for a lively street demonstration?

        Maybe some of those Bolshevik Billionaires down in Greenwich will have to put their mansions up on stilts, hah! Too bad for them.


        • progress4what October 18, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

          Nah. Sea level fluctuates over geologic time scales, no argument. All of the “barrier islands” located up and down the US East and Gulf coasts are leftover remnants of dune fields from when sea levels were much lower during the most recent ice age.

          My only point was that you can’t tell sea level has changed by looking at the ocean.

  137. doggersize October 18, 2014 at 10:52 am #

    There are about 500 million or so people in western africa. a few thousand
    of them have ebola. thousands of west africans die of dozens of other
    tropical diseases every day.

    The veracity of reports of airborne transmission in pigs and primates is
    questionable. Pigs wallow in their own waste and get quite a bit of their
    own food from rooting through the ground. Primates spend a lot of time
    throwing their feces at each other, grooming each other and eating insects
    off each other, and engaging in non-fatal squables in which biting is

    The present panic of ebola is far worse than ebola. Even if it kills one or
    five or ten percent of the population, the panic and asenine responses to
    this are far more damaging than the disease.

    The fundamental problem of our capitalist society is what to do with surplus
    productivity. The current method of financing it is a hedge between the
    gold standard and fiat system. All industrial society requires some level
    of fiat currency. In modern times this is heavily construed to be a
    “debt-backed” currency. In ancient times the Union accidently passed the
    Legal Tender Act: essentially creating a production or asset backed
    currency. This was in line with ideas formulated by Henry Charles Carey.

    Gold is just yellow lead, and diamonds are pretty much the same as broken
    glass. A current vogue among the more simple minded tea party or libertarian
    movement is a call for a return to a “Gold Standard”. Every previous time
    the U.S. did this resulted in enormous collapse, perhaps only mitigated by
    the fact that a much larger portion of the population lived on farms or ran
    simpler independent stores and machine shops. All industry and trade
    greater than village bartering requires a fiat currency. the gold supply
    grows much more slowly than production and productivity: there is no system
    of accounting that accomodates constant deflation of the numerical value of
    assets, because deflation or write-offs are “expensed”.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:30 pm #

      Why does there automatically have to be more gold or silver? If production is up, the gold and silver just become more valuable. It’s not like we have to actually use gold and silver – paper is fine as long as it is backed by something and they can’t just keep printing money ad infinitum. Or it could just be “backed” by faith in the soundness and moral integrity of the currency, government, and nation itself as in social credit systems. Obviously we have no such faith anymore though…

      • beantownbill. October 18, 2014 at 5:54 pm #

        But the dollar is still the last resort for those outside America who need to put their money somewhere.

  138. volodya October 18, 2014 at 11:46 am #

    In the immortal words of Harry Houdini the buck stops here. So, where is “here” exactly when it comes to the multitude of fuckups on this ebola thing?

    The PTB insist there’s a minimal problem because, you see, the USA is a first world country with first world technology.

    Well, I saw segment of PBS Newshour where they were talking about the SARS outbreak and the huge difference in results between Toronto and Vietnam. In Toronto they were insisting there was no problem because they had first world health systems and technology.

    And, in Toronto, the disease kept on breaking out over and over whereas in Vietnam they got it under control very quickly.

    Why? Because in Toronto they were cocky. Technology is nothing but a contraction of the term technical knowledge.You can have all the technical knowledge in the world but if you don’t put it into effect with diligence and energy it does you not a stitch of good. Vietnam, for all its poverty and need, jumped on the problem. Toronto did not.

    Doctors tend to be taller than average, imposing in demeanor when they want to be, re-assuring in speech when they want to be and very convincing. So you watch them stand tall, speak calmly in the way that doctors do with their best bedside manner and insist that ebola poses a minimal threat in an American and first world context.

    But disease agents don’t give a shit about any of this. They don’t care how many degrees you have, where you went to school, how good your machines are, how august your hospitals and universities are. Or how tall and good-looking you are.

    If you make mistakes in execution, if your health care professionals are unprepared, diseases like Ebola are merciless. If you do absurd things like letting a sick nurse take an airplane, letting a lab worker who had possible exposure go on a cruise, ebola will take full advantage.

    Now, it seems that a nurse from that unfortunately unprepared Texas hospital got herself in front of the cameras and spilled about the level of unprepared-ness in that place. Good for her. But I’ll bet that hospital bureaucrats are sharpening their knives and just waiting for a chance to stick her. Just wait for them to make her life unbearable.

    But reality ignores bureaucrats. The reality is that people in the hospital were either unprepared or the modes of ebola transmission are not understood.

    So, where does the buck stop? Well, the buck stops with Obama. He’s the Pres. But he can’t be fired except in extraordinary circumstances. I’m not a lawyer but I doubt this qualifies.

    There needs to be a lot of sacking. The public propaganda on this has been pretty consistent. Anyone opening their hole on this needs to get shown the door. The PTB at the CDC and that Texas hospital need to be cleaned out. New management – without their heads up their asses – urgently required.

    It’s not a matter of whether the American public trusts or distrusts government institutions. Or whether public trust is leaking away because of the disparity between public utterances about preparedness (and risk) and actual results.

    Ebola doesn’t give a shit about that. This is about results. It’s a matter where there were many months to get prepared for this rapidly widening and spreading problem and the first instance of it touching US shores there was one botch up after another. NOBODY was on top of this thing. When there was a requirement that officials jump on it with both feet, they did nothing of the sort. They believed their own baloney. Just like in Toronto.

    Let’s just say this much, that for all the assertions of knowledge and skill, for all the protestations of preparedness, as evidenced by performance so far, the US health system is nowhere near ready. Not REMOTELY.

    Ebola is a killer. It looks like it’s easily transmissible. What’s needed? Humility, vigilance, training, diligence, courage. No more calm re-assurance. No more propaganda.

    So, the next question, when will they throw in the towel on insisting travel bans are counter-productive? Even an ignoramus like me knows better.

    • InquiringMind October 19, 2014 at 4:18 am #

      Hello Volodya. I concur. Very well spoken. You certainly don’t sound like an ignoramus to this American about Ebola…. ! . I wish I knew where to sign a petition to our leaders to beg for those travel bans! You have pointed out all the obvious mistakes we have made., and “pride cometh before a fall” I never heard about Ebola on TV during the summer …I first saw it on the internet…I… felt…, it was bad news then. I think in some ways our entire system is far more vulnerable to Ebola than west Africa. Let’s see…. Public restrooms…fast food chains…movie theaters … grocery stores…Rental Car businesses …Yes the list goes on…. This little opportunistic virus can live for a while on just about any doorknob. Our minds are already TICKING in America. How many times have I noticed some little kid has not flushed the toilet at a Mall restroom! So many kids don’t wash their hands anymore. Daycares are certainly not hygenic. … We are losing confidence … quickly…,in SPITE of being urged to CALM down. WE are past that now. We are like a herd of Buffalo about to STAMPEDE. How? Possibly by going nowhere and slamming our purses shut. We don’t trust the CDC anymore to protect us from disease.We know the HAZMAT suits ain’t ready for us. We know beds won’t be ready for us .There was a writer once who described the American sprit … at it’s core…”Isolate …stoic…and a killer” We will probably do away with our” two party” arrangement soon and raise up new candidates for a new political party. Americans are fed up with being toyed with by political hacking .We’re looking for a new lover,so to speak…who can be the STRONGEST mofos out there that will PUT US FIRST and … not the rest of … the pretty little world.

  139. progress4what October 18, 2014 at 12:18 pm #

    “Marin, no, the police are only one small part of the overseer class. You’re right that they smart under the sort of accusations you’ve mentioned; the fact that a significant minority of US police have taken to shooting young African-American men for no good reason…”

    The ArchDruid is at it again. To me, stating that some percentage of US police are deliberately killing black men, on purpose and without legal justification – is a hideously prejudicial, fact-free, and counterproductive thing to say. And the fact that those of JMG’s readership from the far left will nod sagely in agreement makes it worse, much worse. It is the far left that should be dealing with over use of force by police against ALL people.

    IOW – we in the US can’t deal with police overuse of violence in a race-neutral manner, as something that potentially affects ALL people, especially all males, and especially all young males. Oh no, no, no – it’s strictly a problem of race; to be solved in the conventional manner, for whatever that means.

    It’s like the civil rights act never happened.
    Certainly, rhetoric like JMG’s brings a new dark age closer.

    I’d try to contact JMG to tell him – but he won’t take my calls.
    Maybe somebody who reads this can get through.

    • progress4what October 18, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

      “Marin, no, the police are only one small part of the overseer class. You’re right that they smart under the sort of accusations you’ve mentioned; the fact that a significant minority of US police have taken to shooting young African-American men for no good reason…”

      – quote above is from John Michael Greer to one of his commenters –

      I didn’t make that clear at all. Sorry about that. And here’s a link:


    • BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 1:47 pm #

      Hey P2C, the Grand Jury in Ferguson will most likely wait to announce their finding that the police officer was assaulted, in fear for his life, and the shooting was justified, until winter comes and it gets a little colder outside. By that time the potential rioters, looters and race hustlers will be buttoned up for winter inside their Section 8 apts., enjoying free heat and free cell phones, not inclined to take to the streets to cause trouble.


    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:33 pm #

      You tried calling him on the phone?

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm #

      The Liberals are always re-living the 60’s. Blacks will always be oppressed victims and Whites oppressors – except for the morally superior White like him. Since they have not only kept but augmented the grievance system, their voice will easily drown out White voices complaining of the same thing. Blacks will be become even more of a sacred cow than they already are – thus opening up open season on Whites and White cops, the good ones along with the bad.

    • Buck Stud October 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm #


      You raise some excellent points. As far as race being taken out the equation I doubt that will happen. In fact, I was reading that Rand Paul asserted that GOP could garner a significantly larger percentage of African American vote if the party would start making an issue of the high percentage of blacks in the criminal justice system–or something along that line.

      But once again, when even the appearance of police abusing minorities takes hold, it’s a boomerang that inevitably results in the morally compromised black or Latino police officer with a retributive chips on their shoulder patrolling the streets looking to even the score for both imagined and real past abuses: the very worst of human nature in other words.. And what a horrifying thought, that one’s innocent white grandchild was racially profiled by a police officer of color in order to settle past racial scores.

      So if one can imagine the horrific narrative above then they should also acknowledge that that same racial profiling/brutality has been used against African Americans time and time again. And not just the imagining of a scenario, but intelligent observation that has confirmed this tragic reality empirically. As they say, intelligence is what allows one to walk a mile in the shoes of the other person.

      At the end of the day rational beings seek to rise above their base, racist nature because it’s also in their own long term self-interest and I’m sure you have lived this reality been from the South.

  140. pkrugman October 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm #

    “But reality ignores bureaucrats. The reality is that people in the hospital were either unprepared or the modes of ebola transmission are not understood.” — Volodya

    But bureaucrats do not ignore reality and they do understand. The proof is in the results.

    Number of cases contracted in U.S. : 2 (Amber and Nina)

    Number of new infections this week in the U.S. : 0 … ZERO

    Number of deaths from Ebola this week in the U.S. : 0 … ZERO

    Fear in CFN : Rampant


    • progress4what October 18, 2014 at 2:24 pm #

      Bureaucrats are letting ebola cases into the US. They’re in charge of the protocols that failed, leading to the infection of two nurses. Bureaucrats approved an ebola-infected nurse travelling on a commercial airline with 150 others. Bureaucrats think this thing is so bad that they ordered that plane pulled out of service (bureaucratically, 5 days late!) to be cleaned.

      In summary, it’s not bureaucracy that may save us.

      If we’re saved, it’s because of the fact that Ebola is not as highly contagious as one contingent of battling bureaucrats thought after reflection upon reality.

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

      Exactly Krugs. It’s still early enough to stop it. Humility not Hubris, eh Krugs? Shrugs.

  141. contrahend October 18, 2014 at 2:15 pm #

    significant minority of US police have taken to shooting young African-American men for no good reason

    well, a big fuck you to meathead greer that said that. blacks account for only 8% of the US’ population yet are ghastly when it comes to committing the bulk of all crimes…so….fuck you again. and for calling them ‘African-American’. can we just say black or white? what, they gotta have their own special name too?

    Well, I saw segment of PBS Newshour where they were talking about the SARS outbreak and the huge difference in results between Toronto and Vietnam. In Toronto they were insisting there was no problem because they had first world health systems and technology.
    And, in Toronto, the disease kept on breaking out over and over whereas in Vietnam they got it under control very quickly.

    haha, thanks for the laff. yeah, vietnam, that paragon of healthcare. oh wait, was that PBS that lauded them? woohooo, hahaha, tx again mate! hey, didn’t cuba do much better too, seeing how no one has toilet paper or money there but their healthcare system is oh so great?

    the US health system is nowhere near ready. Not REMOTELY.

    yeah, and you’re an expert on this, right? you work in the field & speak of firsthand experience, right? …thought so.

    udder dan dat…love the terms embiggen and fart rainbows!!

    as janos would say, jew guys rokk


    (semi-drunk in south america about to put in jacuzzi & bar-b-quing some juicy picanha & alcatra (no idea what it is in english, but it~s dam good)

    • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:45 pm #

      The usual number is 13%, but that’s an old number that may not include the million (my god!) Black Africans who have come here over the last decade or so.

      • Janos Skorenzy October 18, 2014 at 2:47 pm #

        On second thought you may be more right than wrong since the 13% doesn’t include the 20 million and more Central Americans who have snuck in here and aren’t going anywhere.

    • beantownbill. October 18, 2014 at 6:05 pm #

      Last time I heard, I thought you were living in Greece, but now you’re back in S.A. What happened?

  142. pkrugman October 18, 2014 at 2:49 pm #

    “Bureaucrats are letting ebola cases into the US. They’re in charge of the protocols that failed…” — P4W, anti-government cynic

    The cases are all under control. The new protocols are not failing.

    If what you say is true, then why haven’t we had more cases of Ebola in the U.S. this week? Government bureaucracy functioned flawlessly this week. The government is doing a great job under Obama’s leadership. Zero is zero.

    Let me know when you hear of any “ebola cases” being let into the U.S. or when you hear of any of the new protocols failing in the future.

    Ain’t gonna happen. Stop spinning, P4W. Look at the facts and not at your fears about “porous” borders.

    Let go of some of your cynicism and give some credit to the Black president we have. He is not out campaigning. He is on the job… though your anti-government cynicism won’t acknowledge that.

    • BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

      On the job?

      What’s the job raising $$$ at DNC/LBGT fundraisers?

  143. MisterDarling October 18, 2014 at 2:58 pm #

    Ebola in Perspective:


    Look at the graph. You see HIV/AIDS standing tall on one side and Ebola looking thin on the other.

    Pause to think. HIV/AIDS was in Ebola’s place on the graph at one point. Now it towers over Malaria.

    Consider this: Ebola moves just as fast (air travel), is more contagious than AIDS (it doesn’t rely on sexual contact) and has a higher growth rate. . . Oh, and it kills 48% of those it infects (according to the most recent stats).

    These are reasons to keep an eye on and discuss it – in a normal, fact-based way.

    I’m not sure why there are these blowhards citing false data and shouting at CFN in all caps, trying to suppress any mention of Ebola.

    What is their angle? Are they getting paid to do this [*]? Are they just demanding attention? Or are they just scared old folks pathologically averse to any information contradicting their Panglossian viewpoint?

    If any of the above is the case, why are they here?

    For feel-good ‘news’ I suggest they go hang out on Reddit’s *many* fluffy-all-the-time newsfeeds like r/Awww and r/upliftingnews.

    — — —

    [*] If they are getting paid to disrupt online conversations they really suck at it. It’s time to review their contract, or reassign them… No Fix For Stupid in that line of business.

  144. pkrugman October 18, 2014 at 4:07 pm #

    “I’m not sure why there are these blowhards citing false data and shouting at CFN in all caps, trying to suppress any mention of Ebola. What is their angle? Are they getting paid to do this [*]? Are they just demanding attention? Or are they just scared old folks pathologically averse to any information contradicting their Panglossian viewpoint? If any of the above is the case, why are they here?” –Mr.Darling

    No one is trying to suppress anything. But facts are being ignored.

    1952 … First jetliner service to Africa

    1959 … First reported case of HIV

    1976 … First reported case of Ebola

    Why is ebola suddenly news, since it has been around for decades and air travel to and from Africa has been around for decades?

    Why are these blowhards citing false data and shouting about the possibility of an Ebola “pandemic” 38 years later? What is their angle?

    Are they getting paid to do this [*]? Are they just demanding attention?

    Or are they just scared old folks pathologically averse to any information contradicting their apocalyptic scaredy-cat viewpoint … even though the new protocols are working and governments have ebola under control (including Senegal and Nigeria)?

    Zero new U.S. ebola infections this week.

    Zero U.S. ebola deaths this week.

    Strange ebola “threat” that did not infect or kill anyone in the U.S. this week!

    Ebola is being used by CFN’s racists to propagate anti-immigrant, anti-African, and anti-Black racism.

    CFN’s anti-government cynics insist on spinning tales about the bureaucracy … and the protocols … and the border … and the immigrants … and the black people using airplanes who are supposedly bringing disease to the good white folks…

    That is why using all caps is necessary to say reality is not spin art: ZERO IS ZERO.

  145. contrahend October 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

    Ebola ‘could be scourge like HIV’, John Kerry warns the world

    wow, tx John!

    hey guys, it’s serious! John Kerry says so! whoaaaaaaa


  146. pkrugman October 18, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

    “hey guys, it’s serious! John Kerry says so! whoaaaaaaa” –Contrahend

    Good point, Contrahend.

    Typically CFN discredits government statistics, distrusts government statements, disdains government bureaucrats, etc.

    I remember someone (K-Dog?) saying not to believe anything until the government denies it. So, if Kerry says it is serious, CFN should be saying ebola is not serious.

    And let’s ignore the last seven years of subversion, opposing Obama from day one, refusing to pass legislation, refusing to fund medical research, staffing, training, etc. because what is important is to starve government, cut taxes, deregulate, refuse to confirm Obama’s appointments, etc. … then blame Obama when a protocol fails and use fear to win the upcoming elections.

    Government (CDC, NIH, etc.) has stopped the spread of ebola. Government funding of research and hospitals will come to the rescue in the event of an unlikely future ebola infection, not your next door neighbor.

    We need to tax the rich, raise the minimum wage, strengthen government, strengthen unions, and stop spreading fear.

    Giving Obama a little love wouldn’t hurt either. Obama has brought unemployment down below 6%. Housing value has gone up 20%.

    The economy is stronger now compared to Bush’s last year in office, when we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month. Now the private sector is not laying off massively; net job increases have been positive for 54 consecutive months. Thank you, President Obama.

  147. contrahend October 18, 2014 at 6:43 pm #

    We need to tax the rich, raise the minimum wage, strengthen government, strengthen unions, and stop spreading fear.

    i used to be against all this – now that i see the destruction that hath been wrought by not doing it, i am wholly for it.

    IF the money is spent on strengthening society, families. like the nordic countries and germany do. sure you pay tons in taxes, but you have little worry about getting sick.

    everyone wins when everyone is earning well and can live in reasonable security and safety & have access to good healthcare.

    i’m gonna go out on a limb once again and say ebola is way overblown.


  148. beantownbill. October 18, 2014 at 6:58 pm #

    The government is going to do what ever it’s going to do wrt Ebola, so why not wait a bit and see what happens. 2 or 3 cases is not an epidemic, and it’s not logical thinking to compare what’s happening now in Africa with what MIGHT happen here in the near future,with Americans as a group being much more healthy with much better medical care than those in West Africa. Should an epidemic occur here, the death rate would most likely be significantly lower.

    We live in the jet age; the world has shrunk. There’s not a human virus in existence, harmful or not, that hasn’t eventually landed on our shores. The Black Death was caused by a bacterium, not a virus. One of the worst viral epidemics in history was the Influenza plague in 1918, where 20 million people died world-wide. I’ve heard much higher figures by people writing on the Internet, but most experts say 20 million is the most likely number.

    Back then the world was advanced enough that travel was widespread, although not at today’s level, and the population was no where as great. Also, there were no sulphur drugs or any other effective antibiotics, once you contracted the flu your body had to successfully fight it or you died. The total number of deaths world- wide in today’s world could be higher. Even if the number hits 10X the Panish flu (and I don’t think it will) we’re talking about 3% of the human population. Yeah, the virus could mutate in a way that makes it more deadly, but we have no evidence that it already has or will. And 3%,although horrific, is hardly an extinction-level event. Why worry? We’ve lived with nuclear weapons for 70 years and we’re still around and most of us don’t spend every day worrying about them.

    In short, let’s start using our logical minds and stop using our reptile brain. When and if it’s time to take action, let’s do it then. If we’re fated to have a major Ebola epidemic, it could be brought here in a myriad number of ways besides letting in Africans.

    I fully expected Ebola to reach the U.S. after

    • Karah October 19, 2014 at 4:12 am #

      The lack of modern healthcare facilities is not the reason Ebola has overtaken regions of Africa. The ISP of those regions touch the dead bodies of loved ones before they are buried. Now imagine what that means in regards the projections for future cases of Ebola…

      A = 1 dead Ebola person touched by 20 people. Ebola to the 20th power.
      B = 50% survival rate.
      A * B = 10.5
      C = days to incubate.
      D = equals where the infected travel.

      Plug 2000 in for A and you get 40,000 infections in one week with 20,000 survivors who carry the antibody. Within a week 40,000 people have traveled to work or school or holiday or immigrated. If over half of infected people stayed in region that week of outbreak, the virus will die out. If A went to another country we will still have same rate of survival and death. So far we have had one A divided by half…because only 2.5 people have contracted the virus through touch and have gotten deathly ill. We know A died because of delayed care and not just because he had Ebola. We also know people have survived when given immediate care. So, if we assume that A = 2 infections for every 1 Ebola infection that are not discovered within C amount of time then we can expect D playing a major roll in the spread to cause A to become 20 again. We may see a splattering of Ebola patients throughout the usa within the week.

  149. pkrugman October 18, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

    “I fully expected Ebola to reach the U.S. after…” — BTB leaving us in suspense!

    After hell freezes over?

    After the 2014 elections?

    After Janos wins or loses his upcoming race war?

    After P4W manages to stop all immigration?

    After ISIL is defeated?


  150. BackRowHeckler October 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm #

    The main job of this new ‘Ebola Czar’, Ron Klain, a political bag man, is to hand out billion of $$$ to politically friendly entities.

    The swag looted on this scam is going to make the free for all after 911 look like a girl scout bake sale. Wait and see.


  151. FincaInTheMountains October 19, 2014 at 8:41 am #

    HOUSTON, Texas — As Ebola grips Texas, Governor Rick Perry is nowhere to be found. This week the governor is on a previously-scheduled trip to Europe. His absence during this trying time not only questions how seriously he takes the threat of the deadly virus.


    Dallas Hospital Allegedly Botched The Care Of The First Ebola Patient


    State regulates hospitals, not CDC, Rick Perry should bear personal responsibility

    • Buck Stud October 19, 2014 at 11:41 am #


      Since you’re not an American I can only presume you never received the memo which states it’s always the colored guy’s fault when things go wrong. Never mind that were talking about ‘by-thy-own boot straps’ independent Texas here; the Texas of right-wing lunatics entertaining fantasies of cessation. When Ebola started ‘messing with Texas’ it was the fault of you know know who.

      Texas is another one of those states that refused Medicaid expansion which means a poor person is far less likely to seek medical care than otherwise would be the case.

      It’s strange, the dismal state of health in the conservative southern states–obesity, diabetes, heart disease, etc–as compared to their more progressive northern counterparts, and yet it is the southern conservative states, by and large, who have refused Medicaid expansion.

      In other words, more right wing American incoherence… the lunatic Tea Part member railing against “Obamacare” on one hand while grasping for the monthly Social Security check and socialized Medicare subsidy on the other.

      • FincaInTheMountains October 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

        “Texas of right-wing lunatics entertaining fantasies of cessation”

        Not being born in US (however I have US citizenship), nevertheless I am of strong opinion that confederacy and cessationism represent a lot of danger to the people and should be stopped in their tracks in US and in Russia – there also been some talks of Ural or Siberian cessation. The smaller and weaker the state, the more its prone to looting by banksters and their pet monopolies. Besides, what Texans would be using for money? Mexican pesos? But they probably didn’t get to think about it.

        As for Obamacare, Medicare-for-all for affordable fee (say $100 a month from paycheck) would be a much better choice, but still better than nothing – step in the right direction.

        America actually lacks 1,000 500-bed modern hospitals to meet Hill-Burton standards of 1946, requiring at least 5 modern beds per 1000 population, US only got, I believe, 3.

        Would be a much better spent money if the FED was taken back under US Treasury control and issued required low-interest credit instead of shelling money to banks for speculation – and screw the Tea Party austerity lunatics. (It would bypass the House approval).

      • BackRowHeckler October 19, 2014 at 3:34 pm #

        Hey Buck I remember when AIDS in Africa, the hurricane in New Orleans, and a tidal wave in the Southeast Pacific was President Bush’s fault. What, did you forget already? We haven’t.


  152. FincaInTheMountains October 19, 2014 at 8:49 am #

    Has Kobane become vortex of death for ISIS? As U.S. jets obliterate fanatics from the air and Kurds suck them into street ‘meat grinder’, experts believe jihadists have finally made strategic miscalculation


    Is the US “strange war” on Isis is over and they’re taking decisive actions?

  153. pkrugman October 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

    “We may see a splattering of Ebola patients throughout the usa within the week.” — Karah

    Karah, your formula tells you we will see more infections from ebola in the U.S. this coming week. But your formula is based on a false premise: touching a dead body is not the best way to become infected.

    It is theoretically possible to be infected with Ebola after touching something an infected person has sneezed or sweated on (and then touching your eyes, mouth or nose), but dead people do not sweat and dead people do not sneeze.

    Your mistake, Karah, is thinking ebola is very contagious. It is not. Ebola is not like flu, it’s not like measles, it’s not like the common cold. Ebola is not as spreadable; it’s not as infectious as other communicable diseases.

    Remember, Karah, you have to touch liquids produced by the infected person, and dead bodies do not produce either vomit or diarrhea.

    I don’t think we will see any new infections next week or the week after that or the week after that. Nina Pham is getting better. The cruise ship passengers all tested negative. It’s over. Your ebola apocalypse failed. Get over it.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 19, 2014 at 4:58 pm #

      “dead people do not sweat and dead people do not sneeze”
      “dead bodies produce neither vomit nor diarrhea”

      Yeah, dead corpses DON’T ooze slime from every orifice and pore – rIIIght, Mr. Embalmer (what decomposition?). Involuntary excretions are just a hoax as well (“beat” that dead Ebola horse)…

      Back to your regularly scheduled pro-ppetry!

      Slightly off-topic (har-dee-har), I just saw an add from the local Albertsons – SPAM!!! Ayup, SPAM – 2x12oz for $6 (haha, $4/lb). Poor man’s food NO MOAR. CPI at work – why buy sirloin/rib eye/chuck/shank/ground round, when you can get the “pink slime” variety – heh!

  154. FincaInTheMountains October 19, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    What would be a good alternative to debt-based monetary system?

    It is relatively well known that current US monetary system is debt-based and every dollar in circulation was borrowed by someone or some business with interest.

    Aside from mathematical certainty that such system will always lead to boom/bust cycles since banks only issue the principal of the loan, but the money to pay interest, it invariably lead to lack of new development and new projects since banks almost always lend money for EXISTING collateral, not for something in the future.

    Only Venture funds who seek 1000-plus percentage points return on investment invest money in new projects.

    But what would be an alternative to debt-based monetary system?

    In my opinion, the only alternative is CREDIT-based monetary system when money in circulation would be issued for significant projects of National importance – objects of physical infrastructure – transportation, water, power, objects of humanitarian infrastructure – hospitals, universities, and scientific/bio-medical research and development.

    Of course such system requires a strict level of regulations and law-enforcement to prevent abuses.

    Only part of that money would go into circulation as cash-money – the part that was paid in salaries – around 25-30% of project’s budget.

    The newly printed money could have art-work commemorating the objects they have helped to build – picture of new roads, bridges, dams, power stations, etc.

    • ZrCrypDiK October 20, 2014 at 2:59 am #

      “a good alternative to debt-based monetary system?”

      Lift it up!!!

      (feelin’ that fraudulent *ITCH*)


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