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T he Beauty Shop had barely stopped smoldering in Ferguson, Missouri, when the Eric Garner grand jury decision came down on Staten Island — no probable cause to indict one particular cop for something — manslaughter? — in his choke-hold take-down of the 300-pound cigarette-seller. For my money, they should have indicted the whole gang of cops who were there that day, including the black female NYPD sergeant on the scene ostensibly “supervising” the action, at least for something like negligent homicide, since the infamous video shows them acting cruelly, stupidly, and indifferently as the poor guy just lay dying on the sidewalk.

Worse, the decision only muddied the public’s view of several events in recent years involving black people, police, and standards of behavior so that now a general opinion prevails that all black people are always treated badly for no reason. That was the same week, by the way, that a white Bosnian immigrant named Zemir Begic was bludgeoned to death by three black teenagers wielding hammers who were out beating on stopped cars on a St Louis street — a crime that was barely covered in the news media, and went unprotested outside the immigrant neighborhood where it occurred. It’s hard to blame the public for being confused about what may or may not be happening across the nation, but history will surely judge this as a tragic time for America.

If we can’t or won’t unpack the separate issues in these matters, the country is going to get into a lot more trouble. One issue is whether police forces in the USA are becoming goon squads. The decision by the federal government to offload tactical military equipment, including armored war wagons, on police departments far and wide was disgracefully stupid since it only gives the impression, when hauled out, that the police are at war with the citizenry. There ought to be public discussion of just flat-out taking all that stuff away from them.

Non-black America is constantly being importuned to “talk honestly” about race and then punished when they actually do. I’ll venture here to summarize what I think has actually happened, and I’m sure a lot of people won’t like it, including plenty of white people. I take a historical view. It is at least an interesting coincidence that the climax of the civil rights campaign produced a black separatist movement that has endured for half a century. It emerged at exactly the moment that the two signal civil rights acts passed congress in 1964-65 (the public accommodations act and the voting rights act).

I think the reason for the sudden rise of black separatism was anxiety among black Americans about the prospect of being formally invited to participate in what was then American common culture. By the late 1960s even colleges were chartering new, separate student unions (at the demand of black students). The sad irony of this has been lost to history. But in effect, by that time a large segment of the black population had opted out either actively or mentally from trying to join the then-dominate culture. The gulf between the two cultures has only grown wider since then, egged on by a foolish white-sponsored “diversity” campaign which had imposed the ridiculous idea that a common culture in one nation is unnecessary.

The result is a permanently oppositional black culture with an elaborate ideology of endless grievance and a guilt-tripped white political culture held hostage by it and pandering endlessly to it — and sandwiched in between those two dispositions is a whole lot of really bad behavior. The least you can say about the four incidents involving Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and Tamir Rice is that they involved some degree of ambiguity about what was actually going on, and in probably all those cases, at least, death was not caused by sheer malice. The same is not true about the case of Zemir Begic, or of the many people victimized during last year’s “knockout” game fad, or indeed the astounding number of people being gunned down regularly on the streets of Chicago.

I don’t think we’re capable of making these distinctions anymore, and surely not of doing anything constructive about them. Instead, we just appear to be careening toward a new and different kind of civil war.

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  1. lsjogren December 8, 2014 at 9:54 am #

    I would say one would need to hesitate to indict the whole bunch of cops on this. Some of them like the black female supervisor may have been unhappy about what was happening, but the “code of silence” may have dictated that they go along lest they suffer retribution that might lead all the way to their careers being destroyed.

    Those in a position of power who abuse that power ought to be severely punished, but to expect someone to be a hero and give up their career to stand up against an abuse of power I think is beyond what is reasonable to expect of someone.

    The main reason I think the “code of silence” is liable to have a lot to do with this is that I find it a lot more believable that the situation is a few bad cops that are intimidating the rest into excusing their misconduct rather than that all of them are bad cops.

    Those police forces that have this twisted culture within their organizations need some heavy handed oversight. Whether officials like Eric Holder or the NYC governor, whose own committment to justice is suspect, are up to the job, I don’t know, but I guess those are the ones in line to do something about it.

    • Neon Vincent December 8, 2014 at 10:02 am #

      “One issue is whether police forces in the USA are becoming goon squads.”

      Militarized police is one of a litany of issues and the one from these scandals that should be of concern for everyone. The country is going to become more repressive in order to control the people in order to stave off collapse. That’s not a good thing. As a friend of mine says, we have been 80% Huxley and 20% Orwell for decades, but the proportion of Orwell has been increasing lately. Speaking of which, the only person indicted in the Garner case was the person who recorded the arrest. Let that sink in.

      • orbit7er December 9, 2014 at 4:01 pm #

        Look a very key statistic which I provided as a comment to last week’s blog was that 1,100 people were killed by police as counted by tracking news reports across the country in the last year. fivethirtyeight.com verified all of these police killings or deaths at the hands of police. This is versus a total of about 14,000 murders per year for the whole US. That is a helluva ratio! It means you are only 15 times more likely to be killed by the usual suspect in 90% of murders, namely people you know, for reasons of revenge, jilted lovers, inheritance or just out of anger than by the police!

        That is really unconscionable!
        And of course your odds in a gentrified middle class neighborhood or suburb go way down versus poor neighborhood of whatever race or ethnicity. Of course blacks are disproportionately living in poor neighborhoods but as with many other rightwing myths in fact whites get more than their share of benefits:
        “The Economix blog at the New York Times reported the following in February of last year:
        Another finding of the study is that the distribution of benefits no longer aligns with the demography of poverty. African-Americans, who make up 22 percent of the poor, receive 14 percent of government benefits, close to their 12 percent population share.
        White non-Hispanics, who make up 42 percent of the poor, receive 69 percent of government benefits – again, much closer to their 64 percent population share.
        Read that again. It says blacks comprise 22 percent of the poor, but blacks only take in 14 percent of government benefits. Conversely, whites make up 42 percent of the poor , but take in a disproportionate 69 percent of government benefits. ”

        http://www.yourblackworld.net/white-people-make-up-42-of-the-poor-but-take-in-whopping-69-of-government-benefits/

        I would imagine that poor whites are also victims of police violence but just at a lower rate than blacks.

        It is really the people versus the plutocrats and their paid protectors…

    • shastatodd December 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm #

      “Those in a position of power who abuse that power ought to be severely punished, but to expect someone to be a hero and give up their career to stand up against an abuse of power I think is beyond what is reasonable to expect of someone.”

      ethics and integrity can be expensive…

    • Ishabaka December 10, 2014 at 6:41 am #

      First – my credentials. I have studied martial arts for the last twelve years. I have also been a ringside physician for boxing for two years, and currently a ringside physician for mixed martial arts for two years. I’m currently studying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu – which involves various choke holds, such as the one applied to Mr. Garner. I have been choked nearly unconscious in practice twice – once by a trachea choke, the other by a carotid artery choke.

      That being said, I believe Mr. Garner was murdered for the crime of selling loose cigarettes, and like Mr. Kuntsler, I believe all the police involved should be arrested.

      A choke hold is always potentially lethal if applied long enough. A potentially lethal technique should never be used against someone suspected of a petty, non-violent crime, who is not resisting arrest with deadly force, or extreme violence. If, say; the police had a strong suspicion Mr. Garner was a serial killer with a high likelihood of killing again if not arrested, and he had been choked and died, no-one would be upset – especially if it was determined he WAS a serial killer.

      There are many non-lethal techniques police could have used with Mr. Garner, including swarming him, using pepper spray, or a Taser.
      A choke hold was not warranted to begin with, and it’s prolonged application after Mr. Garner was helpless on the ground, complaining of inability to breath to me rises to the level of murder.

    • Subvert December 14, 2014 at 6:38 pm #

      “Those in a position of power who abuse that power ought to be severely punished, but to expect someone to be a hero and give up their career to stand up against an abuse of power I think is beyond what is reasonable to expect of someone.”

      I agree, but If the system wasn’t completely corrupt from the ground up, standing up for what is right wouldn’t cause them to lose their careers. It would simply be the ethics driven policy of their department. It’s only because of the cronyism and “protect the hierarchy at all costs” mentality that this deplorable situation exists. Remember, violence can only flow from the top of the pyramid down, never the other direction. We must protect the vile scum that floats to the top! I think you’re right that many of the cops are good folks trapped in a corrupt system. It’s unfortunate that those willing to use violence against others always rise to the top, but this is the nature of any hierarchy and as such, to be expected.

      I had an epiphany about the phrase “Power corrupts….” I’s not that power itself corrupts people, although it does provide the temptation to abuse the power. The real situation is that only people who are already corrupt in their mindset seek power and once they get it, they simply act in accord with their established paradigm.

      As for Holder or anyone in the higher ranks providing oversight, forget it. They have more twisted minds than the Muscle they command, as evidenced by the fact that they have achieved a higher level of control and are thus more motivated to seek power, and hence, are more disturbed than those with less power. To add to this, politicians are just sock puppets for the uber rich, dynastical crime families, they are not really in control of the big structural decisions.

  2. K-Dog December 8, 2014 at 10:27 am #

    Yet there are places, certain cities which don’t have a race problem. Places which seem to belong to another America where decent human behaviour is the norm. One of these places now even chants a phrase common to the lips of all who live there. Regardless of their color. And the phrase is:

    Go Hawks!

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

      Are you referring to Seattle? No.5 on the list of whitest big American cities? And getting whiter, as many whites are trying to get the hell away from diversity and relocate to cities where, as you say, “decent human behavior is the norm”?

      http://blogs.seattletimes.com/fyi-guy/2014/10/27/seattle-is-getting-whiter-census-finds/

      • abbybwood December 8, 2014 at 5:15 pm #

        Memo to Mr. Kunstler:

        Not to nitpick here, but Cassandra mentioning “the list of whitest big American cities…..getting whiter…..as many whites etc.” reminds me that in your blogpost today you mention the group of American citizens as “blacks” and according to this op-ed in the NY Times “blacks” should be capitalized “Blacks”:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/opinion/the-case-for-black-with-a-capital-b.html?_r=0

        I think you are a stickler for punctuation etc., so thought I should bring this to your attention……

        I wonder if this means “whites” should be “Whites”?

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm #

          I was wondering that myself.

          The confusion about whether “black” and “white” should be capitalized tracks with the broader cultural confusion about race. We’re told, mostly by journalists and a certain flavor of sociologist, that race is a construct, that “black” and “white” are just colors and have no biological basis. If “black” is a cultural construct, then it can’t be a noun or adjective that is proper to a specific population and thus deserving capitalization.

          But, as the (Black) author of the NYTimes piece points out, Blacks–people of African ancestry–are indeed a race or tribe. And of course the overwhelming evidence from genomics is that Blacks and Whites do correspond with populations with distinct genealogies. That’s why you can send a vial of your saliva and $99 to 23andMe and get an ancestry report that gives your racial composition based on your genetic material. Indeed, evolution and variation within the human species has been so recent, copious, and regional, that they can even tell you which *nations* your ancestors hailed from. The science behind it is fascinating, and certainly shows that journalists who tell you that race is just a construct that straight white men have been shoving on minorities is BS.

          • K-Dog December 8, 2014 at 11:47 pm #

            What you say is true in a technical but not a practical sense. Seattle is landlocked and homes are pricey. Seattle is now undergoing a mass gentrification. But that tells only half the story. Seattle is a city which grows by half its population as people come in for work every day. Half a million at least and I’m one of them. I’m miles out from where Seattle meets the shore on Lake Washington. I can go around or use one of our floating bridges to get in. I’d like to live in the city but the same house is going to run 100K or more and the properties are smaller, outbuildings are uncommon.

            Seattle is now a center of a very large settled area. As it gentrifies it becomes whiter, this is true. That is where the money is, white people. But living outside Seattle proper can be grand. Outside Seattle properties are larger and more private. Someone who likes a large ‘shop’ for projects would probably prefer living outside the city.

            You have to understand that the other half of the story plays like this. Seattle used to be a city. But now Seattle is a neighbourhood., and a very large and grand neighbourhood it is.

            At any given hawks (‘hocks’) game I’d guess more fans are coming in across our bridges than coming in from residential sections of the city. People who leave Seattle are not going far.

          • K-Dog December 9, 2014 at 12:01 am #

            The above was written before I read your article link.

            “Seattle’s “whitening” doesn’t buck just the national trend. It also runs counter to what’s happening in King County as a whole. Outside of Seattle, the county’s white population decreased by 13,500, and now stands at 61.1 percent of the total — a drop of nearly two percentage points in one year.”

            There you go your article makes my point. King County is larger than Rhode Island by almost two. Seattle is in King County. In King county I get around.

    • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 12:04 am #

      Are you speaking of Seattle?

      • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 12:13 am #

        I should have read the comments that followed yours before asking if you were referring to Seattle. You also threw me off by saying “go Hawks.” Why not “go Seahawks?” or Seahocks?

  3. Petro December 8, 2014 at 10:32 am #

    I agree that a militarized police gives the impression that they are “at war with the citizenry.” And look at how easily the citizenry acquiesced in the Boston area a couple years ago. Tanks rolled down the streets and officers dressed like they were in battle in Afghanistan yelled at people to get off their porches and into their houses, as this “army” searched for two young suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing. This was over a huge area—whole towns. WTF??? Was this just the police getting hard-ons with all these new toys? Or something darker… like a test of how far the government can go with the Security State?

    I’ll say that another thing that only serves to create divides between the races is the tendency by a large portion of the black population to give their children made-up “Afro-Centric” names (most of which actually sound sort of French… so, maybe “Colonial-Afro-Centric?), and wear their pants hanging off their asses. My kids think I sound racist when I say these things, but I think it makes it really hard for the rest of the culture that they want to be accepted by to take them seriously. Liberals don’t say anything, but you know inside a lot of them are rolling their eyes and shaking their heads.

    Even upper- and upper-middle class blacks don’t name their kids “Shaniqua” or “Donzel.” Check out the Key & Peele routine on the College Bowl. It’s hilarious.

    • Neon Vincent December 8, 2014 at 6:09 pm #

      “And look at how easily the citizenry acquiesced in the Boston area a couple years ago. Tanks rolled down the streets and officers dressed like they were in battle in Afghanistan yelled at people to get off their porches and into their houses, as this “army” searched for two young suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing. This was over a huge area—whole towns.”

      I have a lot of friends who live in the northern suburbs of Boston. It was very interesting to watch their reactions on Facebook during and after the pursuit and capture of the Chechen brothers. They were cheering the police on and seemed not the least bit fazed by either the militarization of the police forces or the lockdown of the area. Of course, most of my friends are working-class ethnic Irish and Italians, and they have lots of friends and relatives in the police. The high degree of affinity probably helped them accept the situation. It didn’t hurt that they got to say they were “Boston Strong” and got the rest of the country to go along with it.

      As for the aftermath, I quoted a study by the University of Massachusetts at Lowell that “nearly two-thirds of Americans are more concerned about a terrorist attack in the United States since the Boston Marathon bombings in April and believe the threat of terrorism has increased in the last decade” and “half of those surveyed say the bombings made them think the United States is too involved in the affairs of other countries.” Even the doctors at Boston University got in the act, describing their response to the bombing as part of an article and series of videos about treating trauma victims posted six months later. The incident echoed throughout the year.

      • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm #

        You’re more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a terrorist attack.

    • alphie December 12, 2014 at 7:37 am #

      listen to your kids petro

  4. Karah December 8, 2014 at 10:32 am #

    A Brave New World

    I think a lot of the African American’s anxiety stems from the fact that darker complected people had to face their own racism when directly confronting other racism. Now that you have formal integration you must have had some kind of informal integration as well. How did the majority of black people react to the Reconstruction period after the Civil War? How many of our public education history books address this and provide a way to discuss it with young minds? Picking cotton and peanuts was not good enough for most people and they wanted to experience a “better” way of life. That would have to be up North or on Stage…the next out of town.

    How do you explain to kids in predominantly ‘black’ schools in the places where we see the preponderance of warlike mentalities that America is racially integrated? Do you take them on field trips to the places where black and white people work together: military, corporations, city, county and federal institutions? Where else, besides the media, are we experiencing the “new world”? New York, Chicago, Philidelphia? The New World is full of little worlds of closed minded congregations of people. Once you address one problem you’re faced with a whole lot of other social problems waiting in line to be addressed like so many people at a welfare office or ticket booth.

    Let me simplify it for everyone right now. Social problems have no color. Every group has them in various degrees and flavors. Some groups, like the individuals involved in managing ERIC’S CRIME, are reacting in various ways to their issues of the day. Two wrongs do not make a right. Every choice has consequences and you can never avoid those consequences because they will follow you. If you choose law enforcement as a career, then you will be confronted with serious situations that involve the life and death of individuals or groups of people. If you choose to ignore the laws of the land because you think they’re unfair or they exist to be exploited by certain unscrupulous parties then you will eventually come under scrutiny by some form of law enforcement. That may or may not result in the end of life as you have known it.

    You can not choose your color but you can choose your path and controversy can and will be avoided by a lot of people. The war or revolution or whatever is not televised and is voluntary.

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:18 pm #

      Every group does indeed have its own misbehavior. The problem is that blacks everywhere (not just in the USA) misbehave at much greater rates than whites, Asians and … some would argue Amerindians, although countries with Amerindian majorities have similar homicide rates as African countries.

      • outsider December 8, 2014 at 5:34 pm #

        What do you mean by the term “Amerindians” and can you give examples of those with that ethnic majority which have high homicide rates?

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:58 pm #

          Amerindians are the descendants of the peoples that settled North and America ten thousand years ago or so. Many anthropologists prefer “Amerindian” to “Hispanic” or “Latino” because the latter do not capture the difference between the peoples living in South America who are of European ancestry. Amerindians are short, round and brown, so they’re easy to tell apart from the Latinos of European ancestry. All the immigrants coming from South and Central America to a place near you! are Amerindians.

          Yes, incredibly, Latin America has higher homicide rates than Africa. The Wikipedia article has a nice table where you can sort for highest to lowest by selecting the “down arrow” under “rate.”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

          So, Honduras, Venezuela, the US Virgin Islands, Belize, El Salvador, Guatemala, Jamaica, all have higher homicide rates than any African country.

          Honduras has a murder rate of over 90 per 100,000! That’s INCREDIBLE. Detroit, the most homicidal city in the USA, has only 54 murders/100,000. My hometown, Chicago, has only 18–and it still feels like a war zone!

      • alphie December 12, 2014 at 7:45 am #

        yes, poverty and prejudice tend to make people misbehave

  5. Malthus December 8, 2014 at 10:38 am #

    “we just appear to be careening toward a new and different kind of civil war.” Yep we are differently a crap eating country and will swallow anything thrown at us in our fantasy of exceptionalism.

  6. Htruth December 8, 2014 at 10:38 am #

    The grand jury system is flawed: http://youtu.be/uFoIJGZbrt4

  7. pkrugman December 8, 2014 at 10:39 am #

    “…but I think it makes it really hard for the rest of the culture that they want to be accepted by to take them seriously.” — Petro

    You sound like W: it’s really hard work to take others seriously… To respect their culture and personal decisions.

    Seriously?

    • Petro December 8, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

      I agree, it IS hard work. That was part of the point I was making. To acknowledge this (or at least discuss it rather than dismiss it out-of-hand) is to engage in an “honest dialogue.”

      To be fearful, suspicious, dismissive and/or hostile to people who look different, talk differently, name their kids differently is an evolutionary adaption that helped small prehistoric groups survive (along with, yes, cooperation at times). It remains with us, although I think it mostly causes more trouble than benefit now. I firmly believe everyone is a little bit racist. Some of us are interested in defusing the worst characteristics of it within ourselves and try to defuse them. It takes effort and some diligence, but gets easier with time and with lots of contact with the other group. The more outlandish the differences, however, the harder it is.

      A lot of people don’t want to bother out of laziness, and still others embrace their racism and look everywhere for signs to affirm these “instinctual” feelings.

  8. AKlein December 8, 2014 at 10:40 am #

    The thing that occurs to me about this apparent spate of police killings of errant blacks is the appalling asymmetry of police response. The Eric Garner case is perfect example. So here’s a guy peddling cigarettes by the each to make some cash. His crime: entirely statutory. Essentially, he was cheating NYC and NY State out of tax money. For that “horrible” crime he was manhandled to the point of death. But really, should we be surprised? Here in the US we have carefully nurtured a permanent war mentality. The police have to kill the populace to protect it. Just like having to destroy the village to save it. So Eric Garner is dead, but law and order triumphed. Some would think that his death was a small price to pay.

    • Karah December 8, 2014 at 10:53 am #

      You have a statute or law on paper that has to be enforced in real life, there are going to be different interpretations of what constitutes enforcing the laws. Do the police really have the right and power to physically stop someone from breaking a statute?

      You could easily argue that ERIC’S CRIME was dealing death. Taxation is a way to stem the bad practice of smoking and help pay for the costs to society of smokers in the way of long and short term healthcare costs.

      The realm of public opinion is not the place to deal with social problems and the interpretation of laws. It’s not for us or ERIC’S FAMILY or friends or the cops to judge this case or any case involving anyone. That is why grand juries are held and objective evidence has an opportunity to be presented while it is fresh. It often times takes too long for trials to take place in a timely manner without interference from politics and philanderers and the media.

      • mikecarrick December 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm #

        Oh bullshit.
        What law is worth enforcing at the cost of death? Cigarrette fraud?

        It sure the fuck IS for us AND eric’s family to judge now.

        • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm #

          Exactly. Back in the day when America made sense, the punishment was not worse than the crime. NOT EVER. Today you can go to jail for years for smoking a plant called cannabis. They put you in cage with iron bars. For smoking a plant. FOR SMOKING A FUCKING PLANT!!!!!!

          • Karah December 9, 2014 at 3:21 am #

            you guys miss the point of law and order(s).

            it is not just about picking on certain behaviors we do not feel comfortable with in general.

            people go to jail to protect society from serious consequences of drug use and abuse. getting off the point of todays blog…

            the consequences of smoking a f-ing plant like cannibus is disorder – it intoduces other illegal drugs/markets that producers are pushing, it makes people desperate, it makes people lose conrol of themselves so they are no longer productive members of society.

            nocotine addicts and the people who supply the drug are also desparate people. they are people who easily give into their own desires without rehard for their own health and life or that of others around them.

            you have to prove intent with a murder conviction. i think it is intent on smokers of any stripe to end their lives prematurely

          • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 9:26 am #

            You miss the point of minding your own business. If I want to do something and it doesn’t hurt anyone else, I could care less if society is harmed. Society needs to be harmed. What did Gandhi say when asked about Western civilization, “Yes I think it would be a good idea.” Cannabis is a gift from God and only a mental midget would not admit to that. It is the only effective medicine for scores of diseases. No one would even think about taking an anti depressant if they could smoke a joint. There is anecdotal evidence that it even cures cancer. You need to get your facts straight, quit pushing your totalitarian agenda, and slide back under your rock.

      • alphie December 11, 2014 at 8:59 pm #

        ERIC’S “CRIME” was being a poor black man in a racist society

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm #

      Garner died because he was obese and asthmatic.

      http://www.ibtimes.com/eric-garner-would-be-alive-if-he-was-not-obese-says-rep-peter-king-thanks-grand-jury-1733578

      • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:42 pm #

        I am not an MD but if someone says ‘I cant breathe’ does that mean they can breathe? It takes air to talk or not?

        • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 9:38 am #

          Choke yourself and find out.

      • alphie December 11, 2014 at 9:06 pm #

        so I can go around choking obese asthmatics and not be held accountable. It is after all their own fault.

    • CHenry December 8, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

      Was he even cheating the state of tax money? The cigarettes had to be bought somewhere. (If he went to one of those dubious “reservations” that amount to a liquor store and a smoke shop and bought untaxed cigarettes, or was peddling stolen merchandise, maybe.) He was selling by the piece what in NYC has to be bought in quantity for over $10 a pack. Hardly an offense worth a choke-hold.

    • alphie December 11, 2014 at 10:04 pm #

      “Some would think that his death was a small price to pay.” I am not one of them

  9. edward4432 December 8, 2014 at 10:57 am #

    “The result is a permanently oppositional black culture with an elaborate ideology of endless grievance and a guilt-tripped white political culture held hostage by it and pandering endlessly to it ”

    wow…that is so deeply racist it takes the breath away. Sure you weren’t born in Alabama Jim?

    • James Howard Kunstler December 8, 2014 at 11:06 am #

      Isn’t that exactly the way to try to shut down a public conversation: label somebody a “racist?” Shame on you.

      • K-Dog December 8, 2014 at 11:20 am #

        I once rescued a very nice pruning clipper from the middle of a busy intersection which had no doubt been dropped from the pickup-truck of some Mexican gardeners as they bounced through. It’s a Craftsman, well built and sturdy. Just thinking about it makes me want to go out and prune a bush.

        Is that racist?

        • Karah December 8, 2014 at 11:33 am #

          It would depend on whose bush you want to prune? Will you target the WASP bush because you think that will get you more business and acceptance into their circles? Or will you target the predominantly black community’s foundation to supply free homes and landscaping because you think it will make you less racist?

          Kunstler is not mixing his word “culture” with “race” as so many people tend to do. You can and do have a white, mexican or asian as part of the black warrior culture. Even the GLAAD people have adopted their attitudes about underprivilage and abuse…although we know that’s far from the case in their regard as well as for those participants not sharing the “color”.

        • alphie December 12, 2014 at 7:56 am #

          no, just stupid

      • edward4432 December 8, 2014 at 11:50 am #

        I’m old enough to have gone to school on public transportation with a sign informing colored patrons they must sit at the back of the bus. And that was one of the less insulting restrictions. So there was a reaction in the sixties and out of it came the desire of a culture that celebrated its worth and wanted a separate identity, unlike earlier generations that tried seriously to blend into the dominant culture i.e. white. One of the stigmas of earlier generations was the adoption of predominantly Angelo-Saxon surnames. Well that train has long ago left the station and there is nothing for it. So the integration of non-European races into what will soon be a minority group (white, roughly speaking) is what diversity is about and is expanded to include non religion sanctioned gender identities. That the integration will not be easy is a given and the residual deep seated resentments of those who see their currently preeminent position at risk will persist. But this is what a diverse nation is about. Good will aplenty will be needed as the narrow minded will do their worst to defeat diversity in all its forms.

      • mikecarrick December 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm #

        Oh bullshit.
        What law is worth enforcing at the cost of death? Cigarrette fraud?

        It sure the fuck IS for us AND eric’s family to judge now.

      • mikecarrick December 8, 2014 at 4:44 pm #

        No. This blog is hardly a conversation.
        Conversations happen on Archdruid’s blog.

        This is indeed a CLUSTERFUCK where racists – and Jim, you are embracing it – reign supreme.

        So shame on YOU for letting it trend that way.
        I agree with edward4432.

        Clean up your cesspool.

        • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

          You are correct, there are a lot of racists here, worse there are a lot of racists here who are absolutely certain they are not racists i.e. the worst fucking kind of racist.

          • vengeur December 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm #

            And you ARE absolutely certain you are not a racist, aren’t you. LOL.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 7:29 pm #

            A lady on NPR today said that we’re all racists, even blacks, because racism is structural and unconscious. Implicit bias and such.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:08 pm #

          You’ll notice that the shrillest sputtering and refusal to engage in civil dialogue comes precisely from those people on a racist hunt.

        • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

          Was Janos the guy who says he was censored or banned at ArchDruid?

          Me I like this site and a few others, Drudge among them.

          ‘Clean up your cesspool.’ Does that sentence really add anything to this discussion?

      • shotho December 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

        Exactly! The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

    • Karah December 8, 2014 at 11:07 am #

      So….is giving the Hopi nation their land back racist? Should we just give the black culture their own nation in the form of South Central Chicago Reservation and the Missouri Black Land Grant? They can run their own local government under the supervision of the Feds.

      • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:21 pm #

        We’ve tried that for four decades in Detroit. It’s a very expensive and depressing situation.

        That said, I’m convinced that multiracial societies absolutely do not work, and that some sort of geographical separation would be better for everyone.

        • outsider December 8, 2014 at 6:13 pm #

          I prefer the term ‘multicultural.’ Most better educated blacks and whites get along just fine. The problem really arises when a poorly educated subgroup refuses to assimilate with the dominant culture. Separation of the races in the US will never be the answer. Our forefathers brought in millions of blacks to this country against their will and made them slaves – we better learn to live together or we’re finished. But I see our predicament as different than, say, an historically all white European country that wants to retain its culture.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

            Lincoln et al offered blacks the chance to go back to Africa, and most of them turned it down.

            Yeah, I know a lot of smart blacks and they’re great. The problem is that they make up about a tenth of the overall black population. What do you do with the 90% of blacks who depend on public assistance or, worse, are public hazards?

          • outsider December 8, 2014 at 6:39 pm #

            I’d add that when you’re in a hole quit digging. That’s why I take a hard stance against additional third world immigration to the US. This open borders crowd, besides neglecting the problems that arise from multiculturalism, never seems to consider the twin realities of overpopulation and resource depletion.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 7:28 pm #

            I could not agree more about the foolishness of third world immigration (or really any immigration at this point–the country is fully settled).

        • Karah December 10, 2014 at 8:50 am #

          Detroit

          18 Billion USD DEBT DISAPPEARS!

          Largest municipal bankruptcy in history!

    • cornpone2014 December 8, 2014 at 11:11 am #

      Jim 1 – Eddie 0

  10. BackRowHeckler December 8, 2014 at 11:06 am #

    … not too mention the role of Demagogue Race Pimps like Rev. Sharpton and Eric Holder, and news gathering orgs., specifically CNN and MSNBC.

    In Paris and other French cities there are areas where the police simply will not go into, basically ceding French territory to Muslims from NAfrica and the ME. I’d say withdraw police forces from these American ‘Communities of Color’, or disband them altogether. Let the natives have at it, or police themselves. We’ll see how it works out.

    brh

    • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

      You might enjoy a blog [or site] called Ambrose Kane.

      http://www.ambrosekane.com/2014/12/08/death-by-diversity-white-female-student-gunned-down-by-black-man/

      At Drudge theres a link to news about the [fake] ‘Rolling Stone’ article on rape at the U.

      But the feminists dont care when a black rapist kills a Coed.

      here, from SBPDL,
      Recently at UVA there was a real rape and murder case… it involved an upper middle class white girl and a BLACK MAN!!! The campus LGBTs and Feminists did not have a huge rally to publicize this actual event.
      Contrast that to a phony story… the forces of liberalism were spastic in their outrage…

      So, if they can march against the oppressive white male… pretty ludicrous now because young white males have been minority and pussy whipped to be meeker than Jesus’people who are going to inherit the earth .. [Taki Mag]
      Two universities in Virginia also have disclosed that Matthew was accused of rape when he was enrolled in 2002 and 2003, but that the accusers declined to press charges.
      “When you look at all the rape charges there have been, it’s staggering,” said Gil Harrington, Morgan Harrington’s mother.
      Now, as search teams comb the woods and farms of central Virginia for a sign of Graham, at least four law-enforcement agencies in Virginia are reviewing unsolved murders and disappearances for Matthew’s potential involvement.
      “We’re putting fresh eyes on it,” said Lewis Thurston, a police spokesman in Newport News, Va., where two women went missing in 2003 while Matthew was a student at Christopher Newport University in the city and have not been found.
      USA TODAY reconstructed the events leading to Graham’s encounter with Matthew using surveillance videos, court records and interviews, and got the news media’s first look inside the apartment Matthew occupied until his arres
      e’re relieved that he’s not going to hurt anybody right now. We are devastated that his capture and arrest came at the cost of the abduction of Hannah Graham,” said Morgan’s mother, Gil Harrington, of Roanoke, Va.
      Harrington calls Matthew “the back-to-school rapist” because of the timing of certain events:
      • Her daughter went missing on Oct. 17, 2009. Exactly seven years earlier, on Oct. 17, 2002, Matthew was accused of rape by a student at Liberty University, where Matthew matriculated in 2000. The accuser declined to press charges, and Matthew withdrew from the Christian university the same day.
      • At Christopher Newport University, a public school in Newport News, Va., where Matthew enrolled in January 2003, a student accused him of rape on Sept. 7, 2003. The accuser also declined to press charges. Matthew withdrew five weeks later.
      • Three women, whose murders or disappearances are now being reviewed, also went missing in the same time of years. Cassandra Morton was last seen near Liberty University on Oct. 10, 2009. Sophie Rivera was last seen in Newport News on Sept. 7, 2003. Samantha Clarke was last seen in Orange, Va., about 30 miles from Charlottesville, on Sept. 10, 2010.
      Orange Police Chief James Fenwick said, “We have not developed any information that leads to any connections.”
      The time span between charges against Matthew can be typical of serial rapists or murderers, said Tod Burke, a criminal justice professor at Radford University in Virginia and a former Maryland police officer. [sbpdl]

      Happy reading.
      .

    • Vlad the Impaler December 8, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

      Actually you may be on to something, although I thinks you are being sarcastic. Maybe areas like Ferguson and and parts of Chicago etc that are predominantly Black should only be patrolled by Black Cops.
      If the cop that shot Michael Brown had been Black, the story would have barely made the local news.

      • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 8:38 pm #

        I also think that’s an excellent idea. The problem is that blacks don’t want to be police officers. They see it as selling out. Departments are desperate for qualified black applicants, but they just aren’t there.

        • Karah December 9, 2014 at 3:43 am #

          i have been told by white law enforcement that they require their people to shoot runners without hesitation or reservation.

          that mentality/culture/code leads me to believe they do not trust black officers to shoot other blacks like whites shoot other whites.
          blacks are just too tribal and soft in their eyes when it comes to law enforcement.

          recruits also have to pass a written exam of basic reading, writing and comprehension. there are lots of written reports and reading that officers have to do accurately and quickly. law enforcement is not like protecting your quarterback on a football field with sheer force and coordination. i believe you need an IQ of at least 130 to be a police officer.

          we all know the educational stats of inner city black youf!

          • progress4what December 10, 2014 at 7:08 am #

            i have been told by white law enforcement that they require their people to shoot runners without hesitation or reservation.
            = karah –

            You have been told wrong.

            That’s really a bizarre lie to be spreading, karah.

        • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

          God you really eat every flake of fish food they throw in the tank.

  11. pkrugman December 8, 2014 at 11:11 am #

    “That was the same week, by the way, that a white Bosnian immigrant named Zemir Begic was bludgeoned to death by three black teenagers…”

    False equivalency.

    These youth were not public employees pledged to serve and protect, from whom we could expect a higher standard of behavior. This teenage behavior is criminal and should be prosecuted.

    Police criminal behavior is rarely prosecuted. Code of silence.

    If a grand jury was impaneled to investigate the crimes of these youth, the prosecutor would not work for weeks to misuse the grand jury to prevent an indictment and trial.

    These youth do not have the support of institutionalized racism. They do not have the capability to misuse the system to get off free of charges. They are powerless and do not receive pay checks as public employees. They do not have values to protect and serve.

    • cornpone2014 December 8, 2014 at 11:22 am #

      “These youth do not have the support of institutionalized racism.”

      Sure they do. Eric Holder and the Department of Justice — kinda like institutionalized racism the way Eric has run it — is ready and waiting to intervene on their behalf.

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:28 pm #

      Darren Wilson didn’t bludgeon Brown to death with a hammer without cause.

      He shot him because Brown had assaulted him in his car, and then charged him.

      The NPD does seem more culpable in Eric Garner’s case. But it’s not clear that race had anything to do with his death, except to the extent that men of African ancestry having higher rates of hypertension, obesity and asthma, but it would be hard to blame whites for that.

      • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm #

        Wilson had undisputed facial injuries, although they don’t seem to be as severe are originally leaked. And the proof that Brown assaulted him in his car, as many witnesses testified, was the gunshot in Wilson’s car.

        Many witnesses also corroborated Wilson’s account, that Brown was charging him and ignoring his commands to get down, when Wilson shot him at close range.

        • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm #

          Undisputed. What does that mean? I just disputed them. Where are the pictures? Post the link. And he didn’t shoot him. He unloaded his pistol on him. Eyewitness accounts are notorious for being wrong. What we do know is he went into hiding afterwards. And when he came out he left the force.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 6:25 pm #

            Lol, what’s your evidence? Have you looked at it?

            Here’s a link to the medical records for Darren Wilson after he was admitted

            http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/11/24/ferguson-evidence/assets/reports/darren-wilson-medical-records.pdf to the emergency room at Christian Hospital in St Louis for “assault by suspect.”

            He had numerous injuries to his face, scalp, jaw and neck.

            While you’re on that site, read the numerous witness testimonies that corroborate that forensic evidence that Wilson acted in self-defense.

            At some point, you have to ask yourself whether you’re exercising a judicious skepticism, or if you’re trying to dismiss evidence that doesn’t confirm your particular worldview.

          • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm #

            I said pictures. Where are the pictures of his injury. Maybe that is why he went into hiding, so that he could produce a doctored doctor report. What I see is a black man lying dead on the street with 6 bullet holes in him, a policeman who goes into hiding, comes out looking fine, and has a note from his doctor saying he was sick. Not very convincing to a critical thinker. Now had I seen his wounds the next day, along with a credible story, perhaps then I might see his side of the story. Anybody can fake a report. You don’t actually believe the Warren Commission Report or the 9/11 Report do you?

          • outsider December 8, 2014 at 7:04 pm #

            I take no position on the Brown case. But I don’t know what you’re trying to say with your last two sentences, seawolf. Wouldn’t it have been foolish for Wilson to have NOT gone into hiding? And how could he have possibly stayed on the force?

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 7:24 pm #

            But they could fake a picture, too, so why believe a picture showing Wilson’s injuries?

            You can doubt everything that doesn’t fit the particular axe you want to grind. I think it’s more interesting to seek out evidence that challenges your worldview, and change your mind accordingly.

      • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

        “If someone dies there should be at least a manslaughter charge brought. End of story. No exceptions.”

        This would demoralize and probably lead to the decrease of the police force. Officers are rightfully authorized to use deadly force when they fear injury.

        • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

          Wrong. It would be a deterrent for killing civilians. It would make a police officer become extremely skilled at the art of subduing without killing.

    • WW December 8, 2014 at 4:34 pm #

      Dillion Taylor and Gilbert Collar were both unarmed both clearly, unlike MB, posed no threat to police. Both were shot dead. Downs syndrome sufferer Robert Saylor was choked to death, not for selling cigarettes illegally, but for not wanting to leave a movie theatre. Now all three were white males, yet no riots, no die ins, no sharpton, no obama, no holder.

      • dmeehan December 10, 2014 at 6:16 pm #

        I guess white people are pretty bad at sticking up for their own.

  12. BackRowHeckler December 8, 2014 at 11:14 am #

    No, they receive checks as public welfare recipients.

  13. bentley12 December 8, 2014 at 11:24 am #

    All of you here who agree with Jim need to go over to Truthdig.com and read Chris Hedges’ latest commentary. Get your heads out of the sand and educate yourselves as to what is really going on!

    • Karah December 8, 2014 at 11:40 am #

      You do not think there is ANY truth in what JHK is explaining?

      There are no whites pandering to blacks?

      There are no blacks suffering an endless grievance because of the martyred Martin Luther King, Jr.?

      These cases presented in the media are specifically designed to create a new martyrdom. However, none of the people who have died come anywhere near the status and moral rectitude of Dr. King in their communities.

    • shotho December 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm #

      Agree with Jim and don’t need no stinking
      Chris Hedges. Isn’t “conversation” wonderful?

      • Karah December 9, 2014 at 3:56 am #

        JHK has conversations with lots of people on his website.

        comparing written blogs and testimonies is not conversation.

        there are topics we can NOT talk about and if you guys want to label that conspiracy or code or whatever in order to challenge people into talking out of order and question EVERYTHING…

        lets see how far that gets you in this lifetime.

  14. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 11:45 am #

    For the record, Eric Garner was not peddling loose cigarettes that particular day, although he had on other occasions. The police were constantly harassing him day in and day out, and the day of his death was no different except they took it to another level. They had no reason to harass him and they had no reason to arrest him, unless saying anything that’s not becoming to a police officer is an offense that will get you arrested, and apparently it is. They needlessly harassed him and escalated the situation, and Jim is right, the Black female supervisor watched it and allowed it to happen, so she’s just as guilty. The Eric Garner case does not fit the race-bating agenda in any way, yet I’ll be damned if they’re not forcing that square into the racial circle.

    • Karah December 8, 2014 at 11:56 am #

      You’re suggesting the police surrounded ERIC like a pack of wolves waiting for him to react so they could pounce and the black woman was there for looks?

      • Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 3:59 pm #

        No, I’m not suggesting that.

      • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm #

        Maybe Cold is not, but I am. Police today are absolutely predatory. Police today harass all the time, it is unofficial policy. They set a trap. When you finally pop they can say they had good reason to subdue you. They leave out the part where they drove you to that very brink.

    • outsider December 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

      This is the first time I’ve read that Garner was not selling loosies that day. If true, why have I never heard it from another media source? Even left-wing Amy Goodman on “Democracy Now” said he was selling loosies. Are you saying Garner was just set upon by a pack of rogue cops for no other reason than that he was black?

      • outsider December 9, 2014 at 12:14 am #

        An article I just read on LewRockwell.com said that no cigarettes were ever placed into evidence.

        • alphie December 11, 2014 at 9:54 pm #

          I’ll second that seawolf. And I still want to know what threat Eric Garner posed to the public that justified the use of force.

  15. Greg Knepp December 8, 2014 at 11:49 am #

    My work, personal background and living arrangement has put me in frequent contact with blacks for many decades now. These contacts have been generally positive, both on business and personal levels.

    This being the case, I can say without reservation, that the separation of the black and white communities in America is all but complete. The successes of the civil rights movement actually worked to facilitate this development. And it is a good thing – as long as it is dealt with realistically.

    First things first: as we lose whatever common consensus we had as a culture, it will be necessary to make certain adjustments to our legal framework. The jury system will need to be replaced by a trial-by-judge process – misdeamours settled by a single judges, felonies by tribunal. Police in black neighborhoods will need to be black.

    These steps are the most obvious, but they would make a fine beginning.

    • James Howard Kunstler December 8, 2014 at 3:45 pm #

      I don’t think it is a good thing at all to have two separate cultures with different standards of behavior and different values in one nation. How are institutions based on standards and values supposed to work under those conditions? Obviously it only produces antagonism and strife. — JHK

      • KarlDehrmann December 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

        Having two separate cultures under one government has never worked. Which is why I suspect Jim’s ideas about USA fragmentation over the intermediate to long term is spot on, especially considering our thermodynamic future and its consequences for wealth. The problem with a lot of the progressive diversity narrative is that it aspires to change human nature. You don’t have to like human nature, but you ignore it at your own peril. The human species is tribal, period. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution made us that way, and we will never change. We had a temporary respite from tribalism in the wealthy west because fossil fuels temporarily eliminated scarcity of vital resources. That was a one off event that will never be repeated. Very soon we will all be falling back in with “our” people for survival. Progressives of all colors better learn just which team they are on before that happens, or suffer the consequences. Hey, Life is tragic.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:26 pm #

          I think you’re right, but I disagree that such a separation would be tragic.

          Our modern notion of humanity is just another form of tribalism. Or “speciesism,” as Peter Singer puts it. We privilege OUR species about those species more distantly related to us. This might make sense if our welfare and quality of life depended on furthering the progress of the species as a whole. But it doesn’t at all. We need other animals and plants and the ecosystems that support us all. Humanitarianism is the most destructive ideology of all.

          It always amazes me that, according to mainstream ethics as dictates by the NYTimes editorial board, I should value the life of any human–Africans with Ebola, littering latinos, environmentally catastrophic Asians, barbaric Saracens, etc.–more than the nonhuman animals in this country. I’d like to live in a nation that valued the life of all legal residents, regardless of species.

          • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm #

            See a site called ‘Crimes of the Times’ then get back to us.

          • alphie December 12, 2014 at 8:18 am #

            “Humanitarianism is the most destructive ideology of all”. yeah, until you’re the one in need. ignorance abounds

      • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:37 pm #

        I don’t think it is a good thing at all to have two separate cultures with different standards…but that is the point of AA and always was.

      • Greg Knepp December 9, 2014 at 7:21 pm #

        “Obviously it only produces antagonism and strife.”

        Not necessarily; if we can assume that nationalism (a dubious organizational paradigm at best) is on the wane, then we must find ways of adapting peaceful methods of co-existing as various semi-autonomous, sub-cultural communities within a geographical territory once defined as a nation-state. This is possible.

        In a way, Jim, this is what your first two novels of the “World Made by Hand” series touch on – the possibility of differently centered communities living in geographical proximity while working out various means of engaging in mutually beneficial interactions. And doing so without demanding cultural concessions from each other

        I’ve actually had some experience in this area – mostly business relations with individuals and groups from cultural (or sub-cultural) backgrounds not my own. I’m amazed at the results, and I’m beginning to connect some dots…Important dots in my view!

        But I’ll hold my fire right now for fear of committing a blatant act of cultural anthropology. I mean, I’m a T-shirt printer fer chisake so what do I know?

        I’ll tell you two things I DO know, though: (1) The Blacks aren’t coming back – not ever, and (2) neither are the Millennials. Those two groups have seen the light. It is we who are in the dark – we know but we refuse to accept!

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:42 pm #

      Always with due respect to JHK, I think it would be a good thing to separate geographically and politically. This is already happening naturally, to some extent.

      One very good thing that would come out of such a separation would be the death of the suburbs and a return to traditional urbanism. Would the USA have spawned suburbia if the cities had remained majority white? Perhaps to the small extent that Europe did.

      I was recently in Berlin for the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. Beautiful city. But what was so crazy–coming from Chicago–was seeing young Berliners, who looked fit and happy and doing well, working jobs that in Chicago only immigrants do. And there was no scary black underclass making certain neighborhoods war zones. And it’s not like Berlin doesn’t have many serious injurious Legacies that it has had to overcome! So it was wonderful and depressing, because it made one think that most big American cities (saving those in the Pacific NW) lack the demographic homogeneity to have a common culture and great urbanism.

      • outsider December 8, 2014 at 7:44 pm #

        Actually, isn’t Germany’s main racial/cultural problem, as well as that of many other white European countries, the large immigration of Moslems that they have foolishly allowed to move there.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 8:35 pm #

          Yes, Europe in general is suffering enormously from third-world immigration. But Germany is doing the best, in part because it’s Muslim population is from the Balkan-like Turks (less troublesome than Middle Eastern and African Muslims), but mostly because it enacted a very smart immigration policy in 2005, which limited immigration to people with specific skill sets needed in Germany.

          Germany’s Turkish population makes up less than 4% of Germany’s total population. I didn’t see many Turks while in Berlin, and I asked a Berliner where they all were. He said that there are some Turkish enclaves in Berlin, but that most Turks live in the North Rhine (Westphalia) region.

          France has the largest Muslim immigrant community, which is estimated to be between 5-10% of its population. The majority are from Algiers, and from other African countries.

          It’s Europe’s disadvantage to be so geographically close to the Middle East and especially to Africa. But its advantage is that it hasn’t bought the “nation of immigrants” ideology that is causing demographic catastrophe in the USA. Europeans tend to be more nationalistic. Italy just wouldn’t be Italy if all the Italians were replaced by Eritreans and Ethiopians–although that very well could happen.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 8:36 pm #

            Sorry for all the typos. Goodness.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:11 pm #

      Yes, a fine beginning that moves towards final separation as envisioned by Jefferson, Lincoln, et al. Let’s give Blacks their own country – a generous swath of land in the deep South from Atlanta to just east of New Orleans.

    • outsider December 8, 2014 at 7:37 pm #

      Actually, Greg, I think those are fine ideas. From what I’ve seen of the jury system, I don’t have much faith in it. I’ve been on 12 person juries before. When you’ve voting in the minority, much pressure can be placed on you by jurors who are more interested in getting the hell out of there than seeing justice served.

      • Karah December 9, 2014 at 4:13 am #

        movies keep popping up in my mind:

        twelve angry men

        imitation of life

        gone with the wind

        our latest cinematic tangles with race and cultural issues in this country have been pushed by denzel washington and quentin tarantino.

        i have heard those in the entertainment community say how silly racism is and its mostly ignored.

    • alphie December 11, 2014 at 9:47 pm #

      How did the struggle of a particular group of people to be recognized as full fledged citizens “facilitate” the “separation of the black and white communities in America”? It sounds more like wishful thinking on your part. The idea that we can purge our neighborhoods of color(call it the bleaching of America) can not be considered “realistically”.

      • Greg Knepp December 12, 2014 at 12:46 pm #

        alphie, it’s a long story but I’ll try to be brief. I’ll start with the 1967 motion picture fairytale ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ in which Sidney Poitier wins the hand of Snow White by being even whiter, by several shades, than the object of his desire. In the real world, however, it was Rodney King, rather than Martin Luther King, who showed up for eats that fateful night, asking, “hey, can we all just get along?”

        The answer to that question turns out to be, “perhaps, but…”

        You see, it is the Rodney Kings and Michael Browns of America who best represent the 400 year plight of Africans and their descendants in this land – individuals who are flawed, surly, even scarred, but defiant to the end. The Ferguson protesters seem unmoved by the fact that such individuals consistently fail to show respect for the niceties of the white ethos: ‘don’t get arrested, don’t resist the police who are there, after all, to help you, don’t steal cigars, pull your pants up, don’t walk down the middle of our street, don’t, don’t don’t, etc…’

        It was the very success of the Civil Rights Movement that allowed Blacks to assert their autonomy as a people. It gave them a taste of real power. Yes, many of them gained employment in the government sector including the military, some ventured into enterprise and many moved to the suburbs – dabbled in the shallow pool of integration, one might say – but by in large they have maintained, even enhanced, their sense of cultural uniqueness over the decades. They treat the larger society as if it were a foreign nation – one that needs to be respected and one that can even be gamed to some advantage…but a foreign nation nonetheless!

        In this respect, Blacks share with Millennials the visceral realization that America, as powerful as it may seem, is a dying entity, and they refuse to be the docile canaries in the coal mine of collapse. The Civil Rights Movement ushered in the true ‘birth of a nation’.

        But the musings of Janos – ideas that a separate nation may somehow be carved out of the U.S. Southeast – are for nought. The logistics would be a nightmare. And should such a scenario be realized, the arrangement would provide an ideal stage for territorial warfare. Consider the various treaty fiascoes with the American Indians.

        No, we need to learn to cope with what will be (and already IS in many respects) a nation within a nation. And it is a nation that has the potential to gain strength as the larger host slowly gives up the ghost. In time, there may be many such mini-nations in America, and the ambassadors between them will be people like me – small-time merchants willing to cross borders to earn an honest profit in an honest and mutually beneficial transaction. This is the way it has always been, and shall be again. Merchants know that the grinding of cultural axes is silly, and just plain bad for business.

  16. ozone December 8, 2014 at 11:52 am #

    It’s my belief that a major part of this clusterfuck is being strangely overlooked: wealth extraction leading to desperation and a (perfectly rational) attitude of non-compliance and mistrust. It’s also a CLASS thing, dictated by an extractionary “culture”.

    http://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/gov-ferguson-missouri-court-fines-budget.html

    What do you imagine happens when there’s nothing left to lose and the golden goose of “public” revenue gets killed and cut open to pay off the enforcers (the police)? As Orlov has so neatly pointed out, it all depends on what you get in return for your fleecing from the organized syndicate. (That determines which of the predators gets to be in charge; a certain level of predictability and trust.) In the case of the police, the “benefits” are extremely stingy to its’ victims. Keep that in mind when you become a part this economic class.

    Trouble? You betch’um you, Red Rider….

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:13 pm #

      The White Man is the Goose that lays the Golden Egg. Would you allow him to be slain just for Christmas Dinner? You silly goose.

      • ozone December 8, 2014 at 7:40 pm #

        Once again, you show a depth of understanding/comprehension that is… well… nonexistent.

        “Race” (and all the baggage attendant) needs some thoughtful hashing out, but making it the utter and final focus of your life could trend toward the “unwise”.

        (But don’t let me interrupt your turgid fantasies; you’re doing just fine and are very happy and well-adjusted, I’m sure. Carry on.)

        • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 12:50 am #

          We invented all this and we maintain it. The Blacks cannot. If you don’t understand that, there is no hope for you.

          • ozone December 9, 2014 at 9:39 am #

            Interesting that you use the distinct tactics of a professional troll (both noun and verb). Thanks for the peek under your bridge. (Although your script is dangerously smudged and dog-eared, and the place could use a spot of housekeeping, it does have a unique pong about it.)

            As to your foolish rejoinder, I find your concern touching, but I’ll keep my own council (rather than yours), thanks very much, and we’ll see who has the better chance at a ‘decent’ life.

            BTW, how did that segregation and extermination thing work out for your heroes, the German Nazis? I’d say it was a rousing success… up to a point. — As was Pol Pot’s little exercise in ridding his country of “liberals” and abstract thinkers. Yes, we see where these “ideas” lead, but you and your fellow travelers are perfectly willing to give it another try under an more “compassionate” banner, aren’t you? (There was this guy, a George sumpthin’ who yelled all over the whole creation that he was compassionate about sumpthin’ or other, but that turned out to be another sad and tragically costly lie. You’ll excuse my lack of faith.)

            Happy Trails, Hitler-Humper!

  17. Hands4u December 8, 2014 at 12:06 pm #

    Jim, site must be busy! Several attempts to log in. Thank you for trying to address this. More facets than a diamond and may be as difficult to crack but no beauty found any way you cut it. I feel this comes down to personal power and the responsibility that supposedly comes with it. Unfortunately with responsibility also comes liability and accountability. These latter two are rarely addressed in our society since they seem to hinder the “progress” and “just in time manufacturing” mentality that business and opportunistic/vulture capitalism has transferred and idolized into.
    **I don’t think we’re capable of making these distinctions anymore, and surely not of doing anything constructive about them. Instead, we just appear to be careening toward a new and different kind of civil war.**
    We have to try, and have been trying since I believe our humanity continues to get in the way. Some may contend (myself included) that the war(s) have never truly ended.

    • Karah December 8, 2014 at 12:17 pm #

      You’re referring to the big IRONY of humanity,

      the people who truly deserve the honor, respect, riches, long life and glory are never the ones who receive it.

      They do receive a measure of it but not proportionate to what the opposite personalities receive.

      It’s not evil to be rich, it’s evil to make your money off the disadvantages of the rest of society via a racket. In fact, anyone in charge are participating in a racket are also enemies of the state. In most cases in this country “enemy of the state” is narrowly defined as only being a terrorist.

      • Buck Stud December 8, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

        Well, apparently a lower class black man ripping off the city for some occasional sales tax deserves more scrutiny than really impressive thieves such as the upper echelon Kings of Wall Street.

        Somewhere in this insane madness and injustice there must reside a cosmic joke; maybe I’ll discover the punch line holding hand over heart.

        Oh Say Can You See indeed.

        • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:35 pm #

          Were the police answering complaints from Black [or non White] shopkeepers in the area about this fellow?

          And those who ran lawful businesses considered him a nuisance [arrested 31x or more] and a threat to their livelihood?

          • hineshammer December 8, 2014 at 6:57 pm #

            …and for that he should die.

  18. progress4what December 8, 2014 at 3:33 pm #

    Excellent analysis, JHK.

    I will quibble with you about this, though:
    “For my money, they should have indicted the whole gang of cops who were there that day, including the black female NYPD sergeant on the scene ostensibly “supervising” the action, at least for something like negligent homicide, since the infamous video shows them acting cruelly, stupidly, and indifferently as the poor guy just lay dying on the sidewalk…”

    That video is hard to watch. And anyone who does not feel sympathy for the doomed Mr. Garner as he lies helpless in handcuffs, has something really wrong with their humanity. But, the police followed training, and GJ’s can not and will not indict individual police (or even gangs of police) who are following training and standard response protocols – no matter how awful the outcomes.

    And there’s no point in CFN posters attacking me for pointing this fact out, either, although some will. So stop trying to pillory individual cops, people. If you want something to change, work on changing police training and the police response and use-of-force protocols. And do consider that policing has to involve force, occasionally, by its very nature. And, in this particular case, consider that it is very difficult to arrest a grown man who does not want to be arrested, especially if that man weighs over 300 pounds. It is very likely, in this case, that the unfortunate Mr. Garner would still be alive if he had simply allowed himself to be handcuffed while standing – and then walked calmly into whatever sort of vehicle was available to accommodate his large frame for transport while in a seated position, to be later booked in and fingerprinted.

    Speaking of Grand Juries, the one in Staten Island saw 3 additional videos of the Garner arrest, in addition to the original 13 minute video that garnered most of the attention. AND that original 13 minute video is no longer available for public viewing. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3233825/posts?page=17 Only heavily edited versions of that video appear to be available. The GJ also heard from some 50 witnesses, at least half of whom were civilian. This is according to CNN, no less. http://youtu.be/hlcnuVtxneg

    And, thank goodness, many of the witnesses, some of the police, and at least one police supervisor was African-American. That fact definitely negates the whole “racist society” narrative that many in the media and several CFN posters (edward, rugman, others?) are desperately trying to construct.

    Regulation and control of civilian law enforcement is a problem that should be of concern to all US citizens regardless of creed or color. Trying to force the issue into the old racial pigeonholes is counterproductive. It is also going to lead this country to a very bad place.

    Unfortunately, that’s where this issue is going, and some of the divisive racial pandering about racial attitudes and law enforcement is being led from the very top. I’m thinking my vote for America’s first “post-racial President,” back in 2008, isn’t working out as I had hoped, now 6 years on.

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK!

    • rudyspeaks December 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm #

      “But, the police followed training…” No, you’re wrong. The NYPD banned choke-holds 20 years ago. The fact that they’ve had over 200 complaints since then about the use of choke-holds is indicative of a culture that doesn’t consider the law to apply to them. Meet the problem. Also, “black crime” isn’t the problem, it’s “Irish crime”! Wait, that was back in the 1880’s when the Irish were denied full participation in American life and turned to crime as an alternative. Almost all NYC crime, all of its criminal gangs, were Irish. It’s quite common with lower classes. But, if you want to bisect a population to reveal the criminal “hot spots”, do it by sex! Homicide is a Male problem (9-1 ratio men to women killers). Are we having THAT discussion?

      • outsider December 8, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

        Did you forget about the Italians?

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

      “And anyone who does not feel sympathy for the doomed Mr. Garner as he lies helpless in handcuffs, has something really wrong with their humanity.”

      When I watched the video, I thought of all the beautiful and innocent animals that had been slaughtered, after living miserable lives in confined concentrated industrial farms, to make it possible for Mr. Garner to be so ridiculously fat and asthmatic that he could perish in a chokehold takedown.

      • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 8:49 pm #

        When I saw him I thought of all those asteroids and meteors that had to burn up uselessly in the atmosphere and wondered why there was such cruel and heartless atmosphere that couldn’t just let the poor meteor pass, you know without air resistance, so it could have crashed beautifully into the earth and shattered into a million little equally beautiful mini me pieces.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 9:42 pm #

          The difference between animals and other organic life (plants etc) and inorganic matter (asteroids etc) is that animals have consciousness. They can suffer. Asteroids and meteors can’t suffer.

          Tens of billions of animals are slaughtered, yearly, just in the United States in order to feed our human population. It’s like the Holocaust every day in the USA, except the Nazis didn’t force the Jews to breed to make more Jews, and they didn’t eat Jews either. (That’s Derrida’s analogy–so don’t attack it unless you’re willing to attack the sacred cow of French postmodernism.)

          There’s no morally defensible position for preferring one species over another. There are religious reasons. God gave Adam dominion, and we, as Adam’s descendants, can claim dominion over other animals.

          But God didn’t give man license to concentrate animals in confined feed lots, to pump them full of antibiotics and growth hormone, to feed them food they did not evolve to eat so that they’re constantly sick. They have sores and diseases and misery their entire lives. And why? These animals, many like hogs have the personality and intelligence of dogs, suffer their entire lives in order that humans can have so much cheap protein and fat that they themselves are dying from it.

          And you want me to feel bad about Eric Garner and racism?? In my eyes, we’re all guilty of far more heinous crimes against our fellow creatures, who are truly innocent.

          • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

            I agree with everything you say. It is despicable what we do to animals in this country, while putting on commercials asking for money to save poor helpless dogs. I’m sure many people call in and give while eating a hamburger and condemning Michael Vick. But I have news for you. There is no God. Jesus ain’t coming back. And America is evil to the core.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 11:07 pm #

            I wasn’t suggesting that I believe in God at all. I was giving an example of a religious argument for human dominion. I am an atheist.

          • outsider December 9, 2014 at 12:30 am #

            I’m no vegetarian, but I agree with you on cruelty to animals, especially the ones that we like to eat. It should be illegal for animals to be treated so barbarically. But turning them loose, and becoming a world of vegetarians, would not be the answer either. They would soon overpopulate and wind up starving without humans to feed them. They’re actually on earth to be eaten.

          • Karah December 9, 2014 at 4:32 am #

            oy vey! does every conversation have to refer back to the haulocast and fascism because jhk is of jewish descent?!

            speaking of hyperbole…

            the nazis have been accused of every sort of heinous inhumane crime in the book, why exclude cannibalism from the list? can we be so sure that did not happen at some point between separating mothers from children, starving them and gasing them?

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

      Ok the cop took him down with a choke hold. The guy’s on his stomach with several pairs of knees on him and his hands cuffed. Why does the cop go on choking him? Is this procedure? I bet it isn’t. It seems like a vendetta by a cop who knew and disliked him. Or maybe this kind of thing is unofficial or off the books policy against people who defy the police.

  19. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 3:54 pm #

    But, the police followed training, and GJ’s can not and will not indict individual police (or even gangs of police) who are following training and standard response protocols – no matter how awful the outcomes.

    If they had a reason to arrest him. If not, then all the training in the world doesn’t justify them using said training when it’s not warranted. He posed no threat to them, which was clear from the video, and he’s not resisting if the arrest is unlawful. The cops made a mistake and they should be held to account. The supervisor and the ones who tried to arrest him and in the process choked him to death.

    p4w, where’s your line for police state? When cops can arrest anyone with impunity under the rationalization of reasonable suspicion, then we’re all at their mercy whenever they get an itch or they’re feeling ornery that day. Respect for law enforcement does not equal total submission to its will. If the police want respect, they need to work for it. What we saw in the Eric Garner case was not working for respect, but working in direct opposition to respect.

    • progress4what December 8, 2014 at 4:20 pm #

      I’m no expert on this case, cold, and I don’t intend to become one.
      But let’s at least argue facts, please.

      “If they had a reason to arrest him. If not, then all the training in the world doesn’t justify them using said training when it’s not warranted”
      – cold –
      Mr. Garner had been observed selling loose cigarettes. He had roughly 1.5 packs of cigarettes in his possession. There were complaints from merchants about Mr. Garner, prior to this arrest.

      “He posed no threat to them, which was clear from the video, and he’s not resisting if the arrest is unlawful.”
      -cold-
      Sorry, dude, that’s just not true. Once a sworn law enforcement begins the process of arrest, then that process is going to go to completion. That’s just the way the law works. If you don’t like the law, by all means work to change it, but until you get it changed, the “suspect” (or whatever we’re gonna’ call him) is not entitled to be his own one-man judge and jury, declare his arrest unlawful, and fight with the police to prevent his own arrest.

      And – any full-grown man resisting arrest poses a danger. That’s why police try to summon overwhelming force and get the person on the ground and handcuffed as quickly and painlessly (to all concerned, in theory) as possible.

      “When cops can arrest anyone with impunity under the rationalization of reasonable suspicion, then we’re all at their mercy…”
      -cold-
      Man, we ARE at their mercy. That’s why dragging this into the old racial swamps is so counterproductive, divisive, dangerous, and ultimately damaging – most especially to minority communities.

      • outsider December 8, 2014 at 8:13 pm #

        I just thought of something. How did Garner first acquire his cigarettes? If he did buy them legally, then he already paid the tax on them. In that case, how would attempting to sell them individually at a profit be much different than the mark-up from the wholesaler to the retailer? Or much different than a ticket scalper buying a ticket in hopes of selling it for a higher price? Sounds like capitalism at its finest.

        • Karah December 9, 2014 at 4:42 am #

          the only other place in america where cigarettes are traded individually is in prison!

          eric would have done better in prison because he wouldnt have had any overhead costs.

          i understand he had a family he was trying to support and he probably felt his business should have been legitimised with the rest and that he was providing a public service to those that felt they could only afford one cig…maybe they were trying to quit gradually…

          maybe the cop thought he would only temorarily knock the guy out?

          where are the conversations with those cops and the supervisor?

          • progress4what December 10, 2014 at 7:10 am #

            “the only other place in america where cigarettes are traded individually is in prison!” – karah –

            Wrong again. Loose cigarettes are sold in store in poor areas throughout the country, unless such sale is prohibited by local law.

  20. MisterDarling December 8, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

    Well, I think it’s great that Mr. Kunstler is choosing to explore these issue(s). He does have a point: the gestalt of Race – et al. – in the US *is* muddled. It is also – from a strategic standpoint – very _ancillary_ to other issues.

    A n d…

    That’s my sum-total comment on the past two week’s accumulation @ CFN.

    Chip-Cheerio!

    • progress4what December 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm #

      Sorry to hear you won’t be commenting, MD. I think you’d have something useful to add.

      And race isn’t ancillary. It’s the great blocker of honest debate on every issue in these (still) United States.

      Wanna’ talk crime? race is an issue
      School improvement? race
      Prisons? ditto
      Drug policy? yep
      Immigration? you got it
      Population growth? yep, again
      CO2 policy? probably
      Cities vs suburbs? There’s race, and there’s your CO2 tie-in.

      Somebody name an important national/global issue where race isn’t used to contort and confuse the debate. Can it be done?

    • ozone December 8, 2014 at 6:31 pm #

      Yep, I do hear ye, M.D.
      I left a little something counter to the general frothing and knee-jerking, but “traditions” must be adhered to and picking which opportunistic predator to bow to is not something that folks [of any stripe] would really take pleasure in contemplating/considering.

      That’s okay, it will shake out regardless of various wishes, hopes, prayers or burnt offerings. If a commitment to a shared standard of values cannot be obtained, then dealing with those who value force above all else will be what “living” consists of. (I apologize for History bearing this out, but it’s kind of a ‘tough shit’ scenario that’s become a repeating loop.)

      Good Luck, Cop Boosters; hope you enjoy the paradigm/cultural construct you’ve staked your family’s life/future upon.

  21. piltdownman December 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Jim –

    Thanks for such a simple, even-handed treatise on this issue.

    I’ll add this. In the tiny burgh I live in just outside of Pittsburgh, we now have a large, black SUV with POLICE in huge letters on it. Looks like a 4-ton battering ram. In addition, I noted this morning that the cop who was chatting up some of the legion of “moms” at the bus stop was dressed in what you might call “tactical” gear. This is a town of about 3000. Oh, and last week they used a grant to buy two new automatic weapons just in case we have an “active shooter” scenario.

    It’s like giving Barney Fife an AK-47 and not just one bullet, but a whole bandolero!

  22. seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Diversity is unnatural. America in a way is a diversity experiment. It was sold to us by our corporations so that we would believe it was good for us when in reality it is good for the corporations, enabling them to hire people at lower salaries and pitting them against native Americans. It has been going on since America started with the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Spanish, the Jew, the Arabs, the Indians and on and on. A generation passes and their children are native Americans and the game begins anew.
    The police are another matter altogether, and the blue line is color blind. If you kill someone on duty you are a lousy cop. Find another line of work. Period. If you beat someone senseless, you are a lousy cop. Find another line of work. Period. I see Darren Wilson’s all the time. Typical conservative cop. Believes in corporal and capital punishment, probably Catholic; his whole childhood spent looking up at a crucified man and opening presents under the Christmas tree the same day.

    • shotho December 8, 2014 at 4:36 pm #

      Why, yes! We know that every thing else wrong with the world is the fault of Christianity; why not illegal chokeholds?

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm #

      “If you kill someone on duty you are a lousy cop.”

      Are you serious? Do you live in a suburb or a majority white city? Do you realize that officers are threatened by firearms and physical assault often?

      • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm #

        Baloney. Being a cop isn’t even in the top 10 of dangerous jobs and most die in traffic accidents. What you see on TV is a bunch of actors developing a dramatic story. The justice game you see played where judges are looking out for the rules and insist on fair play is part of the story. But it’s all a story.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:12 pm #

          I don’t watch the idiot box so I wouldn’t know how TV represents crime. But I live in Chicago and read the papers and local crime blogs. Right in my (relatively nice, north side) neighborhood last summer a cop was hospitalized after being attacked by a crowd of Mexicans on the beach. Officers are frequently shot in Chiraq.

          • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

            People die in shipwrecks and plane crashes too. There not on duty but there just as dead. What makes a cop death so special?

          • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

            Rename the place ‘Chicano, Illinois’.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

            I don’t think any death is particularly special. “All that lives must die, passing through nature to eternity.”

          • outsider December 8, 2014 at 8:41 pm #

            Is seawolf pulling our collective legs?

          • Karah December 9, 2014 at 4:54 am #

            “what makes a cop death so special”

            what makes 3000 active duty military deaths special?

            they are defending our nation and upholding the constitution?

            police defend and uphold the laws.

            militarization of the police force is something that has been requested, it has not just been dished out. when you have organized crime aquiring bigger and bigger guns…

            terrorists with bombs…etc.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 5:17 pm #

          In another recent Chicago news item, two officers were shot–one with serious head injuries–after a 6-hour long standoff with a homicidal black guy.

          http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-captain-wounded-in-englewood-standoff-released-from-hospital-20141009-story.html

          • seawolf77 December 8, 2014 at 5:31 pm #

            Every story you cite is written by the perps. Why do you believe it so easily? How do you know he was homicidal? Maybe he was suicidal? Maybe he was periodontal? You think you’ll ever read about the cop who just shot the bad guy for fun? You don’t think it has already happened?

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 6:09 pm #

            Um, actually, most of the crime reporting I read is from local independent bloggers who analyze the scanners and do their own investigations precisely because the Tribune and Sun Times are extremely loathe to report on police blotter issues. Rahm wants to give the impression that crime is down down down in Chicago. Homicides are down–but that’s arguably because of the City’s creative construal of what counts as a homicide, and because our trauma centers are pretty damn good at this point.

            Local crime blogs: http://heyjackass.com, http://www.cwbchicago.com

            Seriously, where do you live? You clearly don’t have experience of living in a city with a large and violent black underclass.

            I grew up in a 100% white suburban midwestern town in the 80s and 90s, and had views very similar to yours. Then, as a young woman, I moved to Chicago. That’s all it took to change my mind.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 6:13 pm #

            Also, I would question the credibility of a crime story if there was reason to think the journalists

            For instance, I read stories about supposed White on Black crime very suspiciously, because I know that journalists are dying for a great White defendant–Zimmerman, Wilson, the Duke Lacrosse Team, etc.–to teach us a lesson about white privilege.

            I’m not aware of any reason for journalists at the Tribune or Suntimes to misrepresent police standoffs. If anything, the journalists tend to side with the residents over the police.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 9:13 pm #

          Perhaps he is a troll. I think it’s more likely that he lives in Portland or some other extremely white community that doesn’t need much heavy-duty policing. In my experience, the more an individual decries racism and the police state, the whiter the community he lives in.

          • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 9:58 pm #

            P’land is not so White anymore. Its White- die verse.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 11:05 pm #

            Portland is over 76% white. That’s whiter than the nation.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:23 pm #

      The solution is saturated. It can absorb no more cultures – especially not such alien ones.

  23. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Yes, let’s argue the facts, p4w. You claim the officers were following training, but choke holds are banned by the NYPD as the following link reveals. That’s just one thing wrong out of many. The irony is, Garner had just finished breaking up a fight when the officers decided to target him as an unnecessary projection of their authority.

    We’ve only regressed since the NYPD banned chokeholds in 1993

    • progress4what December 8, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

      “You claim the officers were following training, but choke holds are banned by the NYPD as the following link reveals.”
      -cold-

      Cold, I didn’t claim they were following training. All I said was that you can’t effect change by blaming individual cops or groups of cops if, THAT’S IF, they are following training.

      Panglossio, whatever his name, the cop who wasn’t indicted, claimed that wasn’t a choke-hold, or else claimed he only went into a chokehold to keep Garner from backing the two of them through a plate glass window. (And there’s some confusion around the idea that a hold banned by NYPD is automatically an ILLEGAL hold, which it is not.) The grand jury didn’t vote to indict. If you were on the grand jury you should have objected. If you were not on the GJ you didn’t see all the evidence and you don’t have all the facts.

      And somebody is bound to ask – why didn’t the cops use pepper spray or a taser to calm Garner down so they could handcuff him?
      The short answer is because these things weren’t in their use of force protocol and weren’t justified. Plus, the taser could have killed him much more quickly. Happens all the time, to suspects of all colors, but especially to overweight ones with COPD issues.

  24. shotho December 8, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Race is just one of the divisions tearing at the fabric of American society, albeit a foundational one.
    “history will surely judge this as a tragic time for America” – not tragic, just pathetic.

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

      It’s tragic in the sense that it’s very very ironic. In the pursuit of creating an equitable and racially harmonious society, we paradoxically have made society less equal and racially antagonistic.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:32 pm #

        You are another Savitri Devi – or has she come again? You love animals more than humans, unless those humans are of the highest type, which poor Eric Garner was not. You see him as Pythagoras would – as a graveyard of murdered animals! I don’t disagree with your “extremist” viewpoints – you have a beautiful mind. I merely ask you to open your heart to this poor man, misshapen though he was.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 7:16 pm #

          Lol. My husband and I are expecting our first baby, and I am trying hard for “Pythagoras” as a middle name.

          Thanks for the link and comparison to Savitri Devi. I hadn’t heard of her before. She was evidently an interesting and “extremist” woman. Obviously I share her passion for animals and ecology, and do not consider them inconsistent with a passion for western civilization.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 8:17 pm #

            This would be a good book to start with since it approaches her philosophy from the ecological point of view.

            http://www.amazon.com/Impeachment-Man-Savitri-Devi/dp/0939482339/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418087387&sr=8-1&keywords=impeachment+of+man

            She turned to India because its culture was the last remnant of European Paganism. There’s a bit of a disconnect here since Hitler didn’t admire India even though many Hindus admired him and still do. The current Indian government has been influenced by National Socialism.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

            Thanks. As for India and its religions, I agree with the great environmentalist Edward Abbey, who wrote that “One of these days the Orientalizers will have to face the question of why the homelands of Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and Zen—namely, India, China, Japan—are also the most abused, ravaged, insulted, overpopulated and desperate lands on planet earth.”

          • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 10:02 pm #

            Japan is not over populated and ravished, except for the Nuke meltdown area. Actually it is abortion that is doing in the Japanese people.

            You can see pictures of Japanese folks after tsunami waiting in orderly lines for hand outs.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

            Japan could not support its current population without massive imports.

            The overpopulation test is very simple. If the number of people (or any other species) in a given territory is greater than can be supported by local agriculture for the long term, then you have overpopulation.

            Before the Industrial Revolution, overpopulation was physically impossible, because famine limited population growth beyond what natural resources would support.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 11:26 pm #

            Also, whenever your think that abortion and a “culture of death” is doing in X population, go and find out what the population of that group was before 1800, and then you’ll have a sense of what the population of that group should be.

            The goal should be to get to a historical population level, and then maintain it. The West accomplished this in the middle ages and early modern period by delaying marriage and by limiting marriage to those with the resources to feed and raise their children. This was called the “prudential check” on overpopulation.

            Our current population growth (mostly through immigration) is extraordinarily imprudent.

          • Karah December 9, 2014 at 5:05 am #

            is it just me or is there two brown babies for every white baby in the usa?

  25. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm #

    Sorry, dude, that’s just not true. Once a sworn law enforcement begins the process of arrest, then that process is going to go to completion.

    Once again, you’re giving them free license. They’re accountable (although I’m beginning to wonder), therefore they must ensure to arrest only when it is warranted. It was not warranted in this case. I understand the rest of what you’ve said if they are arresting for a proper reason. If they’re not, and they’re just arresting him because they think he has a poor attitude, then they must be held to account for escalating the issue unnecessarily. They have the upper hand, and as a result they should be held to a higher standard of conduct than us mere mortals.

    My opinion on this Garner case is very different than my opinion in the Michael Brown case. They are distinct in so many ways, and yes, the race-baiters want to fly both incidents under the banner of racism and unfortunately more constructive talking points and lessons learned get obscured and thwarted.

  26. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm #

    If you were not on the GJ you didn’t see all the evidence and you don’t have all the facts.

    I saw the video. In fact, I’ve watched it about ten times now. I know what I’m seeing. It was a choke hold. He wasn’t resisting arrest and he wasn’t acting threatening. The cops were acting irritated and angry, and they were clearly harassing him.

    This all raises another excellent point, and that is it’s obvious cameras on cops aren’t going to change a damn thing. The GJ had three different videos of this and apparently they saw something the majority of us didn’t see. Expensive cameras on cops are not the panacea they’re being made out to be. Anything can be argued — even reality — especially reality, but those cameras will be another boondoggle gravy train for those who supply our military and police with high tech toys. Build it, and they will come.

    • progress4what December 8, 2014 at 5:08 pm #

      There are four videos. I’ve only seen one. That one has been quite heavily edited. For example – many versions have edited out any visual confirmation that the female African-American officer was on scene, thereby also completely hiding the fact that she had sergeant’s strips and thus was in charge of the whole melee.

      I’ve you’ve seen an unedited video, cold, please give us a link.
      It’s supposed to be about 13 minutes long.

      • Q. Shtik December 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm #

        she had sergeant’s strips – Prog

        ===============

        ha ha hah, “strips”

        Oh, I almost forgot, I am exhorted to be substantive. OK, the ban on selling loose cigs is all about the tax stamp. I hate the idea of government funding government by way of taxes on a product like this. The fact is cig taxes ARE a BIG deal (although becoming less so as people give up the foul weed) so they must keep control of the revenue stream. Garner is an unfortunate but inevitable victim in this whole process.

  27. newworld December 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

    IMO this is yet another ‘Murkan fraud, its ok to burn Ferguson, the wrong kind of untermensch whites live there, but don’t touch NYC literally the crown jewel of ‘Murka the clown show, give me a break.

    The Left is destroying the legitimacy of the state that governs this clown country. And never mind the worthless Rightwing, they simply will not leave the year 1945 under any conditions, so they cannot save the legitimacy of ‘Murka’s institutions.

    And the irony of it all, now its the Left promising “race war” like that evil slug Gutenberg and his other DUmmies. Years ago I could have brought in dozens of white nationalist dopes stuck in 1960 Commander Rockwell’s bund to talk “race war”, now its the government dependent Fergonista types promising war.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm #

      You are unfit to touch Rockwell’s boot.

  28. vengeur December 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm #

    “Non-black America is constantly being importuned to “talk honestly” about race and then punished when they actually do.” Thank you Mr. Kunstler. You say in one succinct sentence what our entire race fixated media lacks both the courage and intellect to say.

  29. contrahend December 8, 2014 at 5:12 pm #

    [fill in color here] people are significantly responsible for their own failure thru their abhorrent behavior that is unacceptable in a civilized society.

  30. malthuss December 8, 2014 at 5:30 pm #

    Jim does not want Youtube clips here but I think this one is important enough to be a rule breaker. This guy is talking about an Alex Jones
    news piece about Hedge Funds wanting protection from taxpayers on losses.

    Jim if its not important please remove

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqkcTJLhE0g&list=UUx40BzxnECFN6TpwR84zyfg

  31. Frankiti December 8, 2014 at 5:57 pm #

    Don’t worry. Al Sharpton is on it.

  32. BeerBarrel December 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm #

    One really can’t blame the cops for being confused as to what to do in any given situation. One policeman I know told me about one day in their required diversity training – headlined by a lesbian who said that, believe it or not, men can be lesbians, too – a man can be a woman and like women as well!

    As opposed to what, I have no idea … but I know one thing is for sure that there’s no gay / lesbian opinion I’ll ever take seriously. There is a legitimate basis for homophobia here, folks.

    How about the the one where LBGT people use the phenomenon of a (confused) male rabbit furiously humping another (much confused) male rabbit and use this imagery to prove that their homosexual condition is a “naturally occurring” one. I kid you not, but LGBT people are always trying to justify their place in society, and they use sad anal-ogies as this one!! (LOL)

    • outsider December 8, 2014 at 8:57 pm #

      They’ve now added the letter Q to the end of it, but that sounds redundant to me.

  33. Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 6:57 pm #

    Fat people should be up in arms about this case – as if fat people can be choked to death and then be blamed for dying.

    Sorry Cass – plenty of skinnies have died from this kind of cop feeding frenzy too. The classic is one they keep barking orders instead of just subduing the person like they used to. Now many street people are mentally ill either as a cause or an effect of being out there. And many mentally ill are oppositional or contrary and naturally do not obey. Others might not understand the instructions in the stress of the moment. So when compliance is not forthcoming, the officers begin to torture with tasers and batons. And the more one is tasered, the less one CAN control one’s body to follow the orders. So this incites more blows and shocks. Soon the person is on the ground being crushed, shocked, and struck. More cops show up and join in. It’s not to be wondered that people don’t survive such Sado-Masochistic rituals. The solution? Subdue the person with the amount of force required if they do not or cannot obey. No more, no less.

    In this case, no tasering was done. The guy just wouldn’t let go even after Garner was on the ground and subdued.

    • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 7:10 pm #

      Can you provide an example of a healthy adult who perished in such a chokehold takedown move? I’m not saying it’s not possible, but I feel like it’s unlikely and would like to know if I’m wrong.

      Oh, I have tons of experience with surly mentally ill homeless people. My sense is that they’re usually ignored by the police. If the laws against, for example, “drinking public ways,” or camping out in parks, were actually enforced, Uptown might be a nice neighborhood again.

      • BeerBarrel December 8, 2014 at 8:01 pm #

        Here’s one:

        http://www.krem.com/story/news/local/2014/10/03/15129450/

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 8:17 pm #

          Okay, point taken. Although Will Berger was tasered several times, and then continued fighting, and was finally subdued by a neck restraint. He was clearly resisting arrest and was assaulting the deputy. He also appears to have been mentally ill.

      • Buck Stud December 8, 2014 at 9:23 pm #

        “Can you provide an example of a healthy adult who perished in such a chokehold takedown move? ”

        Google this:

        “A 24-year-old man is dead after his 14-year-old cousin had him in a ‘rear choke hold’ and allegedly refused to relinquish his hold.”

        The short answer is yes. Moreover you imply that “healthy” is a clear line of demarcation, when in actuality, there is no such line. Cardiovascular disease is often undetected or in various states of progression( in fact, nearly all Americans have some degree of atherosclerosis, even young and apparently healthy adults) so one second too long in a choke hold may unleash that “widow maker” that was previously undetected.

        Simply put, the health argument–laying the blame of death on the health of a suspect–is a stupid one. Citizens, in general, are not trained MMA combatants after all. And police officers should not approach all suspects such as Gardner–who was not dangerously menacing or violent- as if they’re trained athletes in the prime of life and therefore able to tolerate over the top and abusive subduing techniques.

  34. nsa December 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm #

    We here in Ft. Meade kill overseas anyone, anytime, anywhere for any reason….including so-called american citizens. Why should we not assert this right domestically? Who among you dare defy us? We have achieved full spectrum dominance and total information awareness over all that we survey. We are now as gods……..

  35. Poet December 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm #

    06-11-63
    Excerpt of JFK Civil Rights Address to the Nation

    “”…are we to say to the world, and much more importantly, to each other that this is the land of the free except for the Negroes; that we have no second-class citizens except Negroes; that we have no class or caste system, no ghettoes, no master race except with respect to Negroes?

    Now the time has come for this Nation to fulfill its promise. The events in Birmingham and elsewhere have so increased the cries for equality that no city or State or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them. The fires of frustration and discord are burning in every city, North and South, where legal remedies are not at hand. Redress is sought in the streets, in demonstrations, parades, and protests which create tensions and threaten violence and threaten lives.

    We face, therefore, a moral crisis as a country and a people. It cannot be met by repressive police action. It cannot be left to increased demonstrations in the streets. It cannot be quieted by token moves or talk. It is a time to act in the Congress, in your State and local legislative body and, above all, in all of our daily lives.

    It is not enough to pin the blame on others, to say this a problem of one section of the country or another, or deplore the facts that we face. A great change is at hand, and our task, our obligation, is to make that revolution, that change, peaceful and constructive for all. Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality…”
    ***************************
    Still true 51+ years later–To the everlasting shame of this country and all of its citizens no matter what their skin color.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 8:23 pm #

      Yes Blacks should never have been brought here. And once freed, they should have been sent back as Jefferson and Lincoln said. By no sane policy do they have any business staying here. We don’t owe them our very existence even though that’s exactly what they and their demented Liberals enablers believe and now demand.

      • outsider December 8, 2014 at 9:10 pm #

        Anyone born in the US is a citizen, period, even if they were born to slaves. Lincoln had no right to send them back. He had no legal right to fight his War of Northern Aggression either. Whether or not they should have been brought here in the first place is irrelevant.

        • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 9:50 pm #

          The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment wasn’t adopted until 1868. Many consider this amendment to be foolish and there are movements to repeal it. Very few other countries give birthright citizenship, for good reason. It encourages “birth tourism,” as well as fecundity in illegal immigrants.

          • malthuss December 8, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

            Only one other country offers that? I forget.

          • Cassandra December 8, 2014 at 11:13 pm #

            Canada is the only other developed nation to allow birthright citizenship. But they have a much saner immigration policy, so they don’t have tons of illegals moving to Canada and having babies, like we do.

            In 2010, 4.5 million babies were born to illegal parents in the USA. That’s greater than the entire population of the United States at its founding.

            There is a big debate about whether the 14th amendment really should be construed as legalizing birthright citizenship.

            From NumbersUSA:

            “Veteran legal scholar John Eastman believes that Members of Congress who passed the 14th Amendment never intended that it include Birthright Citizenship in its current form. Eastman points to the wording of the 1866 Civil Rights Act as providing the key to the meaning of the 14th Amendment and the intent of the Framers.

            The act provides that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” This formulation makes clear, Eastman writes, that any child born on U.S. soil to parents who were temporary visitors to this country and remained a citizen or subject of the parents’ home country “was not entitled to claim the birthright citizenship provided by the 1866 Act.””

            https://www.numbersusa.com/solutions/reform-birthright-citizenship

          • outsider December 9, 2014 at 12:46 am #

            Yes, I agree with that, Cassandra. Some scholars even maintain that this Amendment has been misinterpreted and that it was only meant to apply to babies who were born here with a least one parent who was a citizen. But the liberals, who often seem like they have a death wish, won’t allow any other interpretation to see the light of day. Now that we have millions from the third world here, it will never be repealed.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 10:45 pm #

          Yes. The War was a tragic mistake. The South would have let them go soon anyway – they had an abolition movement of their own. As as Lee and others said, slavery was very hard on Whites, both poor and the slaveowners for different reasons.

          Together the North and South could have cooperated in sending them back. It’s too late now so they should be given their own Nation in the deep South.

          • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 9:34 am #

            I hate when people say things like that. The Civil War was not a tragic mistake. It was a conflict engineered upon us by the Jesuits. Everyone knew it. Lincoln said it himself and they assassinated him for it. We severed all ties with the Vatican for over 100 years. It wasn’t until that grade B actor got into office that we kissed and made up with that ruinous pit of vipers.

      • Poet December 9, 2014 at 6:40 am #

        Unless you are part of the Native American population what you say about “them” applies equally to “you”.
        To tell the descendants of those from whom you extorted slave labor for centuries and built the vast fortunes and treasured cities of the richest land on planet earth to “go on back to where you came” is absurd.
        The Israelites, whose servitude in Egypt lasted for centuries were permitted by the Almighty to “spoil the Egyptians” for the unpaid wages of both themselves and their ancestors before they left. That is what Black America is doing to the rest of the country as the price for staying around under the status quo.
        The proposition is simple. They are saying that if they cannot live here with dignity and respect then neither can anybody else. Business as usual will not be possible once martial law is declared and the militarized police, national guard, or Northcom storm troopers, go rolling into some city or small berg. That, as even the aging and crumudgeonly JHK notes, is where this thing is headed.

      • Poet December 9, 2014 at 6:44 am #

        (duplicate comment misplaced below)

        Unless you are part of the Native American population what you say about “them” applies equally to “you”.
        To tell the descendants of those from whom you extorted slave labor for centuries and built the vast fortunes and treasured cities of the richest land on planet earth to “go on back to where you came” is absurd.
        The Israelites, whose servitude in Egypt lasted for centuries were permitted by the Almighty to “spoil the Egyptians” for the unpaid wages of both themselves and their ancestors before they left. That is what Black America is doing to the rest of the country as the price for staying around under the status quo.
        The proposition is simple. They are saying that if they cannot live here with dignity and respect then neither can anybody else. Business as usual will not be possible once martial law is declared and the militarized police, national guard, or Northcom storm troopers, go rolling into some city or small berg. That, as even the aging and crumudgeonly JHK notes, is where this thing is headed.

      • Poet December 9, 2014 at 6:47 am #

        Unless you are part of the Native American population what you say about “them” applies equally to “you”.
        To tell the descendants of those from whom you extorted slave labor for centuries and built the vast fortunes and treasured cities of the richest land on planet earth to “go on back to where you came” is absurd.
        The Israelites, whose servitude in Egypt lasted for centuries were permitted by the Almighty to “spoil the Egyptians” for the unpaid wages of both themselves and their ancestors before they left. That is what Black America is doing to the rest of the country as the price for staying around under the status quo.
        The proposition is simple. They are saying that if they cannot live here with dignity and respect then neither can anybody else. Business as usual will not be possible once martial law is declared and the militarized police, national guard, or Northcom storm troopers, go rolling into some city or small berg. That, as even the aging and crumudgeonly JHK notes, is where this thing is headed.

  36. Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2014 at 8:35 pm #

    The Doom that came to Sarnath.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/microsoft-ceo-vows-to-hire-more-people-who-are-not-white-or-male/

  37. Chikot December 8, 2014 at 8:37 pm #

    By the way, in Czarist Russia and so in the former Soviet Union police or as it was called militia were not carrying guns.
    Despite what people in the west think I did not feel like I lived in police state but in the Northern America police attention is all over the place.

    • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 5:13 pm #

      I did not feel like I lived in police state but in [the] Northern America police attention is all over the place. – Chikot

      ===========

      Just like [the] Ukraine and [the] Crimea we now have [the] Northern America.

  38. Don December 8, 2014 at 9:11 pm #

    It’s not just the cops in the US. Look around at the firemen, the guys in construction, the park rangers, the military people. They all look like goon thugs. Too much gym, not enough reading books. When a nation glorifies violence and is at war endlessly, it comes home to roost.

  39. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 9:35 pm #

    This is the first time I’ve read that Garner was not selling loosies that day. If true, why have I never heard it from another media source? Even left-wing Amy Goodman on “Democracy Now” said he was selling loosies. Are you saying Garner was just set upon by a pack of rogue cops for no other reason than that he was black?

    Whatever. There are a lot of lazy people out there who can’t do their own research and instead spout off foolishly as though they know it all.

    “It was Criminal”: Retired NYPD Detective Slams Eric Garner Grand Jury Decision

    AMY GOODMAN: He wasn’t even selling loose cigarettes on that day.

    • Karah December 9, 2014 at 5:25 am #

      lots of people have been arrested for crimes they were not committing at the time of arrest.

      i am really sick of people white washing blacks. its okay to be honest about yourself and your way of life eventhough that may lead others to ostricize you or treat you harshly. at least you have honesty!

  40. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 9:42 pm #

    Oh, I almost forgot, I am exhorted to be substantive.

    I importuned you more than I exhorted you. You have been much more substantive since. Thank you for that. You have a heart of gold and it’s nice when you let it shine every now and then.

  41. Cold N. Holefield December 8, 2014 at 9:46 pm #

    Did anyone else notice all the tattoos on the two initial cops who approached Garner? I thought of JHK when I saw them. These are not your grandfather’s cops. What kind of name is Pantalones anyway? Is that Spanish or something?

    • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 1:28 am #

      What kind of name is [Pantalones] anyway? Is that Spanish or something? – Cold

      ==============

      It’s like Jerry Seinfeld’s puffy shirt (“but I don’t want to be a pirate”) only it’s worn from the waist down.

  42. ghostlimb December 8, 2014 at 11:04 pm #

    Both the Brown and Garner situations were tailor-made for tasering – its the kind of situation tasers were given to police forces to handle – large, too hard to handle, physically hostile or meth-cranked up out of their minds, especially when resisting or refusing arrest.
    With the Brown cop, he said he wasn’t carrying a taser that day because it was “too bulky” to carry. In the Garner pack take-down, we don’t know why there wasn’t one taser among five officers, including the murdering cop with the #99 t-shirt. Tasering would have prevented both incidents from escalating, and its the tool cops were trained to use in exactly these situations. Tragic outcomes from stupid, shoddy police work.

    • progress4what December 8, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

      http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/2009/05/taser-related-deaths-in-united-states.html

      634 taser deaths since 2009, ghost, according to this website.

      I’ve been choked out a couple of times while participating in Judo. It’s nearly painless – in fact a “blood choke” IS painless, except for the pressure on the neck. I haven’t been tased, but I’ve been shocked by enough electric fences and other devices to know it’s not pleasant in the least. Tasering, with the barbed probes and the high voltages, has to be worse.

      Bottom line – if I were resisting arrest I’d prefer a nice carotid artery blocking “choke hold” to being tased. Either might kill me at my age, but at least the choke wouldn’t hurt.

      Of course if I had to be arrested for something, I’d honestly prefer to put my hands behind my back and trust the justice system to sort out my innocence later on. Mr. Garner had been through this process about 30 times – so he knew the drill. If he had followed it without snatching his hands repeatedly away from the police, he’d very likely be alive right now.

      BTW, the term choke hold is a misnomer, as it’s being generically used by the “news” media and even some police depts.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold

  43. liquid lennny December 8, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

    First they came…

    A poem by Martin Niemoller

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    These next few years will require each of us to develop a more effective voice for justice and basic human decency.

    It is difficult to watch the almost daily occurances of the erosion of basic civility and the shredding of our Nation’s moral fiber at every level from the Urban Street Punks to the Pretorian Para-Military Cops.

    When I read some various comment sections on the main stream news websites regarding Eric Garner or the CIA torture report the vitriolic comments were depressingly alarming. Our societie’s psychosis is clearly evident.

    So Jim is probably right, we just may be on the path to another and more perverse Civil War. In fact, it’ll be a miracle if we avoid it, but I’m not quite ready to tag and bag our republic experiment, at least not yet…

    I hope you’re not either.

    • malthuss December 9, 2014 at 2:53 pm #

      Who is this mysterious ‘They’ in the ‘poem’ [cough]?

      It couldn’t be the commies. The commies only killed 100-200 million.

      • liquid lennny December 11, 2014 at 1:32 am #

        Sorry Malthuss for the delayed response.

        No, it wasn’t the “commies”, although under Stalin it was eventually. To be specific, the original “They” were the Nazis as they persecuted various groups in the early thirties to gain political control. So by extension you could say that in today’s world the “They” is any beligerent group which sets upon a more vulnerable one with the intent to stultify said lesser group.

        At certain times in history it appears that many groups get their turn to play the role of the protagonist “They”. I wonder, who is in the on-deck circle in this country?

        I think the other question to ask is; who is the “I”. For Pastor Niemoller it was the current day “intellectuals”. However, in today’s world the “I” group could have multiple labels. Nixon called one group the “Silent Majority”, but that would be letting too many off way too easy.
        In my opinion the “I” are the “go along to get along” crowd, you know the type; “it’s not a problem until it’s my problem” kind of people.

        But some are just flat out cowards with no moral compass whatsoever.

        Like those L.E. who watched a man be assaulted by one of their own without interceding, they are the most culpable since they should not have been caught up in the emotion of the moment.

        So if tomorrow, you find yourself herded towards that train or bus for the one-way trip to that FEMA camp for terminal processing will you go quietly or will you resist? Because to many if you resist you must be quilty of something and obviously deserve whatever comes your way.

        If any good is to come out of some of these current events we need to start asking ourselves some serious questions about our Western “Culture”, such as it is.
        The bread and circuses are wearing pretty thin, I’m thinking the next few summers will find the natives getting pretty restless…and the fragility of the “system” increasingly apparent.

  44. progress4what December 9, 2014 at 12:01 am #

    “But, if you want to bisect a population to reveal the criminal “hot spots”, do it by sex! Homicide is a Male problem (9-1 ratio men to women killers). Are we having THAT discussion?”
    – rudyspeaks –

    AG Holder just released new Federal law enforcement guidelines, rudy. Profiling by gender is now STRICTLY forbidden to all Federal LEO’s and any civilian agencies working in concert with them.

    So you don’t have to worry about male criminality any more.

    But I do wonder how the guidelines will be implemented.
    – Will traffic stops and arrests be monitored for gender neutrality?
    – Will we release male felons from prison?
    – Or will we incarcerate more females just to make the math work?

    And does enforcement and sentencing need to vary by location, as this survey of sex ratios should logically suggest?
    http://www.zipatlas.com/us/city-comparison/female-to-male-ratio.htm

  45. Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 1:21 am #

    [There] not on duty but [there] just as dead. – Seawolf

    ============

    Whew, twice in the same sentence.

    • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 1:23 am #

      So I’ll give him an A for consistency.

  46. pequiste December 9, 2014 at 1:38 am #

    As bad as paramiltarized police forces can be – and they can be brutal as evidenced by daily abuses of power and dead and injured innocents, we need the rough-and-ready with guns to keep a lid on things. And as pathological as the Hip Hop Nation is – they are not as vile a specimen as is produced on planet Earth like those nice folks at ISIS. Observing all this I am left with a gnawing in the back of my head, like the Alien on the Nostromo.
    The violence we deplore, wring our hands over, and condemn is really the natural state of the human and that civilization hangs on a slender thread.
    That we can live one right on top of another; millions packed into megacities around the globe, and have relatively peaceful if not outright prosperous lives, is to me a miracle.
    Yet take away a the commonality of language, race, religion or creed and the potential for violence makes a quantum leap. Remove a means to subsist and the fuse gets lit. Isn’t Pandemonium just three missed meals away.
    I would hazard a prediction that the next manifestation in the American social experiment of Crime and Punishment is the
    secret police, new and improved. Doesn’t make for good TV but mighty effective in keeping the folks chilled.

  47. FincaInTheMountains December 9, 2014 at 3:51 am #

    CIA’s Chechen Terrorists AKA “ISIS” Attack in Grozny as Putin Gives Key Address in Kremlin

    Did ISIS just attack Russia? Just after 1a.m. local time, the Chechnyan capital of Grozny exploded into a warzone.

    “I hear constant mortar, gun shots—this is the first such huge scale insurgency attack on Grozny since August 6, 1996,” said resident Milana Mazayeva.

    The attacks started when three vehicles loaded with armed terrorists attacked a police checkpoint outside of Grozny. The terrorists then proceeded into the city and occupied a school building in apparent attempt to repeat infamous Beslan siege of 2004 when 186 school kids were killed.

    The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, personally directed successful anti-terrorist operation. 9 Police officers were killed during the operation.

    Ramzan Kadyrov, formerly an Islamic Jihadist himself, now is firmly on the Russian side.

    For one simple reason – they are well aware that without Russia and the Russian people there will not be Chechnya and the Chechen people. As recently themselves deceived and used by the West as terrorists, Ramzan and his brothers realized what it may lead to the destruction and self-destruction. If Chechnya 10 years ago would go on the way of Islamic radicalism, trust the West and stand on the West side in its war against Russia, the land was doomed to terrible suffering, and the people – to the fate of the mountain terrorists slaughtered without a past, present and future.

    Instead of a garden city, which is now built in Grozny, it would be solid catacombs and ditches. Instead of generally calm and spiritually developed life – death and permanent hatred, acts of terrorism. And in the end, all this would lead to degeneration of Chechen people. They would become the Mujahideen and that would be their end as a nation, they would merge into a single stream of cultivated by CIA extremists like in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq. As well as Ukraine, that is now being used against Russia. That is precisely why Kadyrov reaction to the war in the Donbas is so strong: because Junta in Kiev is ready to use their people as cannon fodder in Washington’s war against Russia.

    West can once again wipe their ass with yet another setback and prepare new attacks on Russia. But again and again one would be struck by how much they’re in a hurry, trying to prevent the onset of something they are terribly afraid of.

    http://russkiy-malchik.livejournal.com/557832.html

  48. Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 4:19 am #

    The hard choices. The hard choice: sink or rise. Fight or submit. Be blended out or choose Existence and the struggle it demands.

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/11/27/guilty-as-charged

  49. FincaInTheMountains December 9, 2014 at 4:47 am #

    Why Hollande made unscheduled visit to Putin? Why not discuss the question that he was on the phone?

    It is obvious: because the phones of all important European politicians are listened to by US intelligence agencies. Hollande specifically complained about this, for example, in late 2013.

    Hardly had they discussed sale of “Mistral” helicopter-carrier to Russia. The question of “Mistral” is not particularly important to Russia: they’d be completely satisfied with refund and a penalty. If for no other reason than Russians compete in the arms market with the French, and if France will prove unreliable supplier, then part of the French contracts we’ll taken over by Russia. Specifically, India, for example, may well abandon the French “Rafale” and instead purchase Russian “MiG-35.”

    The second point of contact is gas. The head of Gazprom Alexei Miller said recently that Russia is changing strategy in Europe. Stopping the “South Stream” will mean that Russia will now sell gas to Europe on the border of the European Union, and how the European Union will distribute the gas inside – it’s his problem.
    Ukraine gas pipeline then becomes a dead end. Of course, Russia will not abandon Russians in Ukraine and will continue to supply gas to heat the population, but Kiev could now forget about 7 billion dollars in revenue from gas transit. The money will now go to Turkey.

    Is France satisfied with this situation?

    Obviously, not. The capacity of “Nord Stream” pipeline alone is not enough to cover the needs of all EU countries. Gas famine in southern Europe could lead to the disintegration of the European Union, the prospect that does not appeal to France.

    We are not talking about the additional financial costs; we are talking about the gas famine. It is impossible for Americans to rapidly replace Russian gas.

    Europe could escape the gas famine exactly one way: to bring order to Ukraine and to have Ukrainian pipelines smoothly flow gas from East to West. That is, to expel the Americans from Kiev and reform Ukraine in a way that it finally became normal and relatively healthy state.

    At this point, the interests of Russia and the EU coincide completely. That is why most likely Francois Hollande discussed gas at a meeting with Putin and the ways to force Kiev to piece.

    It looks like a tough game played by Gazprom is finally forcing Europe to unstick from US and attempt to act independently. Look at the map. To the right of Ukraine is Russia. To the left of Ukraine is the European Union. Ukraine extends from the bottom of the Black Sea, the entrance to which is controlled by Turkey, now playing the Russian team.

    http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/742209.html

    • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 8:09 am #

      Hey Fincain, in case you haven’t noticed, Russia’s on the back burner right about now. We have bigger things to worry about over here, like choke holds and civil rights investigations. We’re worried about Rev. Al Sharpton, not Vladimir Putin. Putin, Russia, Ukraine, Crimea, nobody gives a sh#t about that anymore … its old news from last spring and summer, not what’s happening now.

      That’s the way it is here, one goddam crisis after another, and the crisis from last week is quickly overshadowed and forgot about.

      brh

      • FincaInTheMountains December 9, 2014 at 9:40 am #

        Didn’t I notice! Americans generally have attention span from one day to one week, and, while cursing MSM, always follow the latest news on the box.

        However, American-Russian conflict is what really determines a lot of what is going on today, and it will rush back to the front pages whenever you don’t expect it.

        I have a feeling that things going a lot faster these days with events enough to fill decades of politics are now fitting in months or even weeks.

        You can’t really understand what is going on inside USA and what to expect without having a broader world view.

        • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 9:45 am #

          Ya, we tend to spend a lot of time gazing at our own bellybuttons over here

          while the world rages on all around us

          that’s partially what the election of Obama, as improbable as it seems, was all about

      • FincaInTheMountains December 9, 2014 at 9:56 am #

        Anyway, I will continue to post what I find relevant to what I consider the main stream of current events, if not for the benefit of other readers of this blog, than for my own benefit – after all I am trying to understand myself.

  50. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 6:47 am #

    Of course if I had to be arrested for something, I’d honestly prefer to put my hands behind my back and trust the justice system to sort out my innocence later on.

    Yeah, that’s great and all p4w, but that’s just talk on the internets. What you would do IRL if you were confronted with consistent police surveillance and harassment because of your previous history with police is another matter entirely. I know, I know, you’ll say that would never be you because you’re not like Eric Garner, and you know what, you’re right, you’re not like Eric Garner so you will never share his experience with the police. But if what JHK says is true, and the Long Emergency is indeed in its early stages, then not too long from now, there are going to be many more Eric Garners in every shade of color you can imagine including White. People are going to be scrapping to carve out an existence and laws will be designed to prevent them from scrapping successfully. Your children, or your grandchildren, may be scrappers just like Eric Garner, and if and when that time comes, they will know and experience what you refuse to acknowledge.

    That being said, I’d be willing to bet that if you were continually harassed by the police day in and day out you might not be so ideally cooperative with them some of that time, and your fate could very well be the fate of Eric Garner one of those times. What about when they come for your guns, p4w, if you’re still alive when they ultimately pass that law? Do you concede them obediently, or do you resist and get the metaphorical choke hold? If it’s the law, a ban on personal firearms, then you must forfeit your prized weapons and cooperate with the well-trained police who are just doing their job, afterall.

  51. hillwalker December 9, 2014 at 6:50 am #

    Wow,

    here I thought I was reading Kunstler’s blog, and for the world it seems I’m reading a forum on stormfront.

  52. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 6:59 am #

    Both the Brown and Garner situations were tailor-made for tasering – its the kind of situation tasers were given to police forces to handle – large, too hard to handle, physically hostile or meth-cranked up out of their minds, especially when resisting or refusing arrest.

    I have a patent on a Net Gun, and no “Net” does not refer to the Internet. It’s a gun that shoots a net that enshrouds and entangles a suspect. Remember the scene from Planet of the Apes where Taylor is being chased by the gorillas in Ape City and they catch him in the net? He says, “take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!” It’s one of my favorite cinematic scenes and lines. Nobody could have delivered that line better than Heston. Imagine Bogart or Cagney delivering that line in that scene. It’d be comical.

    Damn Dirty Ape

    • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 11:33 am #

      I need to get me one of those Net Guns, throw it over my 20 something nieces, keep them home once in awhile and out of the clubs, having us worried all the time.

  53. BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 7:53 am #

    These street protests will fade out pretty soon, after the first blizzard or whenever the temp drops down into the teens. After that it won’t be so much fun to be out on the streets taunting police officers, smashing windows, and lighting cars on fire.

    Say what you want, but these riots, disturbances, street protests, whatever you want to call it, remarkably, have been pretty mild, with very few casualties compared to riots of previous days. For example, the draft riots in NYC in 1863 claimed 1000 dead. so called race riots in New Orleans in the 1870s, St Louis in the 1920s, LA in 1966 and 1992 killed hundreds. Both side are showing remarkable restraint.

    Having said that, it seems like things are falling apart, entropy writ large.

    Is peak oil still in play? I heard a guest on C2C last night state the US is now producing 14 million bpd, which seems a little inflated. He also stated there is a surplus right now in the world of 2 million bpd. And I heard expert Daniel Yergin make a little fun of the peak oil movement the other nite in an interview, claiming it was a phenonema of the early 2000s, no longer relevant considering developments in recent years in the industry.

    brh

    • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 4:37 pm #

      it was a [phenonema] – brh

      ==============

      chuckle…

      make that [phenomena]

      • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 4:40 pm #

        actually, make that [phenomenon] (singular)

  54. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 8:14 am #

    Is peak oil still in play?

    Good question, brh. It seems like the movement died with the assassination of Matt Simmons. My guess is, guys like this did him in and made it look like a heart attack. What for is complex and not what it would appear to be on the surface.

    Corporate Killing

    Great movie, by the way.

    • Karah December 9, 2014 at 9:29 am #

      maybe hottubs are simply dangerous for the elderly.

      maybe his death is a blessing because his big offshore wind farm development program looks like a fiasco to me. what is his team working on that/his dream doing now? there was a website devoted to his development…do not know if its still up.

      orvel reddenbacher died the same way…
      is popcorn that influencial?

  55. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 8:18 am #

    That’s the way it is here

    I’ll still take it over Russia’s alternative which is “America this and America that” 28 hours a day, 9 days a week and 15 months a year. It’s not ideal, but at least it keeps the blood flowing.

  56. contrahend December 9, 2014 at 8:29 am #

    As is typically the case, these forebodings of the end of the epoch of petroleum are just the harbinger of a technological leap that will make us shrug our shoulders at what turned out to be much ado about nothing.

    Nanotechnology will see efficiency increases into the 1000s of times – meaning a corresponding decrease in resource consumption.

    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1417633678.php

    kontahend

    • Buck Stud December 9, 2014 at 9:33 am #

      You posted this link the other day but never responded to my question as to why the potential technology will ‘abolish doom once and for all’ per your assertion. From your posted link:

      “Collapse long specialized supply chains to a few steps of local production

      replacing an enormous automobile factory and all of its multi-million dollar equipment with a garage-sized facility that can assemble cars from inexpensive, microscopic parts, with production times measured in minutes. ”

      So entire supply chains and enormous factories will be replaced by this technology. I read that as jobs lost and not just a few. Certainly more than will be replaced by humans in an expanding world of automation/robotics.

      As the poster “Spider” used to shout here on CFN, a radical shift in human attitudes will have to occur in order to harmoniously accommodate this new technology. There will be fewer and fewer productive persons of “merit” because the math as a result of technological capacity will simply not allow it.

      So humans will arrive at the intersection of “excess capacity” as Spider used to term it, and old beliefs systems based on ‘you get what you deserve, earn etc, etc etc.

      And by the way, the people who would charge you money for the air you breathe if only they could, they’ll still be around; they’re not going anywhere. In fact, they will be the ‘financial managers’ of this new technology do not doubt this for one minute.

      Lost jobs and income combined with excess capacity and tossed about with a meritocratic ethos that certainly will not dissolve with the arrival of this technology; and of course , a “Rep Rap” 3D printing machine in the garage of every America that will unleash a coming entrepreneurial tsunami — but sell to whom? all those displaced workers from now obsolete supply lines and factories?

      And you think there’s no future for doom? I think you haven’t thought about this very deeply.

      • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 10:09 am #

        Hey Buck charging money for the air you breath is what the International Global Warming Scam is all about, isn’t it?

        brh

      • edward4432 December 9, 2014 at 10:26 am #

        So, we’ll build everything we need with our 3D printer.

        And furthermore…what have we learned from this scintillating discus ion:

        We are all racists
        There are no racists
        herd all the blacks into a chunk of the old south as their territory
        People to claim others are racists are hypocrites
        ergo, people that espouse beliefs that with rational appraisal
        should be considered racist are in fact truth tellers
        The North fought a war of aggression against the South
        We all belong to a tribe and hence a diverse country is impossible
        With finders keepers the Angelo-Saxon tribe has first dibs.
        The original inhabitants were not Christian therefore they don’t count

        • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

          With finders keepers the [Angelo]-Saxon tribe has first dibs. – edward4432

          ====================

          It’s Anglo, Ed.

          Angelo is a guy I used to shoot pool with who did roofing.

  57. homesteader December 9, 2014 at 10:59 am #

    Well, isn’t this depressing. A man who I’ve read and respected for years turns out to be a common bigot, no different, really, than the tattooed and earinged white toughs smoking cigarettes at the entrance to the local biker bar. No, worse, in fact, because he dresses his bigotry up in intellectual drag. And as a result, the comments section becomes a racist cesspool. I don’t think I’ll be spending much time here anymore.

    • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 11:22 am #

      See ya later, pal.

      Sorry we don’t all think alike. PC bullsh#t needs to be checked at the border when you enter CFNation!

      As for me I enjoy the diverse opinions on this board, most of them well thought out and well written.

      brh

    • progress4what December 9, 2014 at 11:26 am #

      “…. p4w, if you’re still alive when they ultimately pass that law? Do you concede them obediently, or do you resist and get the metaphorical choke hold? If it’s the law, a ban on personal firearms, then you must forfeit your prized weapons….” – cold –

      Cold, it’s quite a stretch to go from selling loose cigarettes to abrogating the 2nd amendment and digging up all the guns I’ve buried in my neighbor’s back yard – but let me try to go with it for you.

      Are you asking if there are things I’m willing to die for?
      Then sure, there are, but my family is about the only thing on that short list.

      Are you asking if there are things I’m willing to protest?
      Then, sure there are, including police abuse of force.

      Are you saying the police murdered Eric Garner for selling loosies?
      Then I’ve got to disagree.

      And DAMN, do I wish a man who’d been arrested 30 times had learned how to do it without getting manhandled by the cops, because that’s what led to his accidental homicide.

      ===============================

      I’m lifting this off the comment section to a Salon article:

      “Years from now when they look back at the failure of this current movement to address police brutality they’ll pin a major point of failure on the fact that white men were excluded from the discussion, and told they didn’t know the terror of police abuse. And white men, who often have been abused by the police as well, did nothing to help the cause, and often sided against it, merely because they were told they were the enemy.

      If change is what People of Color want, they have to bring the white majority to their cause. Not alienate whites and push them away. The framing of this issue as a problem only African Americans face (or only PoC) is what’s going to stop any actual meaningful change in laws around police culpability. Sorry, but that’s the truth.”

      It’s a sexist, racist, and very condescending article (and don’t read it janos, ’cause your head will explode) but some of the comments are quite interesting.
      http://www.salon.com/2014/12/09/to_my_white_male_facebook_friends/#comments

      • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:23 pm #

        Why did the cop keep choking him after he was on the ground, with knees on his back, and his hands behind his back? That cop should be indicted. And the observing officer fired.

        I couldn’t open the article but I’ll try again later.

        • progress4what December 9, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

          Why did the cop keep choking him after he was on the ground?

          I’m not sure he did. You can have a hold on someone’s neck without “choking him,” which has to involve cutting off O2 or bloodflow.

          Why don’t you post a video so we’re both looking at the exact same thing? Hopefully one that hasn’t been edited too heavily.

    • progress4what December 9, 2014 at 11:30 am #

      Let me translate for homesteader:

      “this is depressing” insult
      “man I’ve admired” compliment
      “bigot” insult
      “tattooed” insult (pro’ly the worst, you know JHK HATES tatts!
      “white toughs” insult
      “biker bar” insult
      “intellectual drag” insult
      “racist cesspool” insult
      “I’m leaving” threat

      Wow, homesteader, way to contribute to the dialog!!
      sarc on/off

      • edward4432 December 9, 2014 at 12:16 pm #

        How many times have you heard Kunstler demean the despised (in his eyes) tattooed, NASCAR loving, overweight, slugs; the orange school buses. the big boxes, the suburbs…and on and on. This guy is a bundle of hatred for all he sees wrong (to him) in America today and the he keenly anticipates schadenfreude to come.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:26 pm #

          So you should love him since you hate all those same things. Despite his many hatreds, Mr Kunstler has a core of rationality. His future, and the future of everyone he knows, is with Whites not Blacks or Hispanics.

          You should try to find your core of rationality – if you have one. Whites conquered this country for Whites and Western Civilization. You wouldn’t be here if they hadn’t. So you are literally spitting on your own image in a mirror.

          • alphie December 12, 2014 at 8:30 am #

            please Janos give your white separatist/supremacy rant a rest. it’s sooo stale

      • homesteader December 9, 2014 at 9:03 pm #

        Dialog? All I see is a bunch of white folks chattering to each other (some of whom are blatantly racist). Only when the black viewpoint is represented here will you have a true dialog.

        As far as insults go—this blog has a fine tradition, as noted by edward4432.

        • Karah December 10, 2014 at 9:06 am #

          Since all commenting are using pseudonyms (hiding under rocks), the only one we know for SURE is white – JHK

        • alphie December 12, 2014 at 8:42 am #

          you’re right homesteader’. come here and experience a slice of good ‘ol American racist pie. surprisingly it seems to be the women who exhibit more prejudice and lack of understanding towards blacks than the men.

  58. pkrugman December 9, 2014 at 11:04 am #

    Edward4432, that is a nice summary.

    The CFN mantra is: human nature cannot change, we are so fucked.

    When you believe that, you become passive and apathetic about humanity’s plight… pleasing the TPTB.

    The new LAPD is proof that police reform is possible. Our problems, no matter how insurmountable they may seem, are solvable. We are not fucked.

    • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

      Hey PK I don’t see too many posters here say ‘We are so F#kked”.

      JHK certainly doesn’t state that.

      Honestly, the people here don’t appear to be much worried about anything. If you want to see a lot of hand wringing and anguish, go over and see what the ladies have to say at Code Pink, Salon, and The Nation.

      brh

  59. barbisbest December 9, 2014 at 11:18 am #

    Reply to Janos. “blacks should be sent back” Wow Janos, so that means, really that anyone who is not of native American descent, in other words, anyone here after Columbus invaded the U.S. should be sent back!!!

    BTB- JHK is absolutely correct when he says that I don’t think it is a good thing at all to have two separate cultures with different standards of behavior and different values in one nation. 11:11.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

      No, Whites are the Native Americans. We founded this country. The Indians were just living here. We conquered this Land and took it from them. Fair and Square – just like every other country. Just like the Sioux took the Dakotas from other Indian tribes.

      Get your head straight. Every thing you have and everything you enjoy is the result of the conquest. You should get on your knees every night and thank God for the Men who bequeathed all this to you – undeserving though you are.

      • alphie December 12, 2014 at 8:54 am #

        this nation is founded on greed and broken treaties. none of us had anything to do with when and where we were born. we happen to be here right now. that doesn’t mean we have to thank the cavalry for butchering women and children on our behalf. the ends don’t justify the means. the sins of the fathers have not gone unnoticed

  60. volodya December 9, 2014 at 11:28 am #

    Seems to me that Garner’s was a small-time racket. Small-time as in tiny. As small as can be. As small as they come. Miniscule. Microscopic. Minute.

    You can measure the damage someone is doing by the amount of money they make. How much money was Garner making? I seriously doubt he was living in luxury. So how much damage could a man like Garner have done? Maybe that was the point. He wasn’t doing enough damage.

    Imagine this, if Garner was wearing five thousand dollar suits, if he was a billionaire, if he was thinking up whacking huge frauds, if he was screwing millions out of their savings, if he was sinking banks, well then, that’s a different thing. He would be Establishment.

    The trouble was that Garner wasn’t too big to jail. No, those would be Wall Street bankers. You see, you have to let Wall Streeters keep committing crimes that annihilate economies. You have to. There’s no other choice. Because otherwise the economy will be annihilated if you don’t let them annihilate it. Or something. I’m not sure about the logic.

    Maybe we should ask Eric Holder about it. I’m sure Holder could tell us why someone like Garner dies but Wall Street walks free.

    To be fair, a man as physically big as Garner can be a problem if he gets ornery. And the cops standing around him looked like ten year olds in comparison. I’ll bet Garner was three times as strong as the strongest of them. Not many ways to get the cuffs on without getting their necks snapped.

    • progress4what December 9, 2014 at 11:46 am #

      Excellent analysis, volodya, as usual.

      Only thing I’d add is that Garner was certainly targeted for running his racket and selling his loosies for a specific reason. And that specific reason was complaints by the “local” business owners – most likely the guy whose storefront sidewalk Garner was occupying.

      I”ll guarantee the store owner was selling legal loosies for a buck or so. Garner was undercutting the storeowner by a little bit. The storeowner asked for protection from the local, legal protection racket, and the rest of the story is well known history.

      Thinking about this did make me smile a little, I’m hoping it would be the kind of story Garner would have liked, so here goes –

      “Imagine this, if Garner was wearing five thousand dollar suits, if he was a billionaire, if he was thinking up whacking huge frauds, if he was screwing millions out of their savings, if he was sinking banks, and THEN he started selling goddam’ loosies on the sidewalk, so the cops finally did something about him!”

      RIP, Eric Garner. We hardly knew ye’.

    • malthuss December 9, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

      ‘You can measure the damage someone is doing by the amount of money they make.’. Oh, really?

      He had been arrested 30+ times.
      Measure the cost to taxpayers of those arrests.

      Where did he get the food that made him weigh twice or thrice what someone else weighs?

      He was a parasite.

      • liquid lennny December 11, 2014 at 1:42 am #

        Where the arrests legitimate? I don’t know.
        If he was such a danger to society why was he free? Don’t know the answer to that one either.

        If being overweight is a capital offense we’ll need to build larger, much larger and more numerous prisons.

        As for parasites, plenty of those on Wall Street and Washington DC.
        Just listen for the sound of wealth extraction…..$$$$$$$$$$$ and it’s gone…

        Oh, I had a chance to reply to your earlier comment ’bout “theys” and “commies”. See above.

      • alphie December 12, 2014 at 9:29 am #

        rich folks move mad loot overseas to avoid paying their taxes. eric garner doesn’t pay taxes on what…? let’s tally up the amount he owes in taxes vs. the amount your average wealthy man with a swiss bank account owes. and where did he get the food…? you don’t know that in America the cheapest food available is high in fat, sugar and salt? the only one who can judge eric garner is the one who made him. who are you?

  61. barbisbest December 9, 2014 at 11:38 am #

    Response to Edward4432 ..and more wow, so the native americans weren’t Christians. Funny, they believed in a Trinity. Maybe they weren’t “Christians” in the literal sense. Also, the Mormons believe Christ did come to the Americas before he ascended. The Chicamagua say He made disciples of three of them. They may not have been “Christian’ in that sense but they were very spiritual and caring. They didn’t euthanize the earth and their descendents and they didn’t disguise themselves as the type of Christian missionary that used to go in to see what resources could be exploited. Truth hurts.

    • edward4432 December 9, 2014 at 12:19 pm #

      Also they didn’t have a clear title.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:33 pm #

        And the Mexicans may not honor our land titles when they take the Southwest. We are the Indians now: disorganized and confused as the Invaders move in.

      • Cheesewhiz December 9, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

        Missionaries are just entrepreneurs who want to build their own little empires. Self-aggrandizers who think they’re too special and gifted to work a typical corporate job. They work hand-in-glove with our government in Latin America, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, etc. They often spread the Word of “free markets” and “capitalism” along with their easy, Sinner’s Prayer salvation model. They’d rather convert Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholics to Pentecostalism (usually by appealing to disaffected youth who want to shock their parents) than try to do something really hard, like convince head-hunting cannibals to adopt peace-n-love.

  62. barbisbest December 9, 2014 at 11:56 am #

    ” Instead, we just appear to be careening toward a new and different kind of civil war”. Hope that’s wrong JHK, but according to Extinction Dialogs G.McPherson and C.Baker’s recent book, agencies are planning on civil discord due to energy and climate disruption and so forth . This all may be just a warm up exercise.

    The book goes on.. civilization is an expression of patriarchy. The current version of industrial civilization is set up to benefit a few Caucasian men at the expense of every other living thing. (this does not exonerate all races from our ecocide) No ,America doesn’t want to change. We’d rather careen. I recommend the book highly. It may be too late to do anything at all about the climate. Thank you for the welcome to post at your site.I aye was here.

  63. pkrugman December 9, 2014 at 12:19 pm #

    At his book event, Cheney faced a crowd of 200 people chanting and holding signs that said, “Cheney War Criminal” and “Torturer,” according to the Canadian television network CBC. As for Bush’s trip to the regional summit in Canada, it attracted a similar-sized crowd according to the CBC.

    Meanwhile, both Bush and Cheney have canceled speaking engagements in Toronto, though their camps did not cite concerns about outstanding war criminal arrest warrants as the reason. Cheney cited “personal safety” concerns, while Bush chalked it up to a “scheduling change.”

    • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 10:50 am #

      Will Canadians do the same for Obama and Michelle?

  64. BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 2:40 pm #

    In Berkeley (where else?) protesters are pulling their ‘Die In’ bullsh#t on on railroad tracks, lying down on the rails, trying to stop trains.

    This ain’t too smart, in fact its something only a self centered adolescent dipshit with a suicide wish would do.

    Lucky old railroad man and Bay Area merry prankster Neal Cassady ain’t still around, diving that train high on cocaine. He’d roll right over their ass.

    To quote Neal, “All Aboard!”

    brh

    • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:43 pm #

      They check their email while they are supposed to be dead. Dead people who move are Zombies.

    • Buck Stud December 9, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

      BRH,

      You might enjoy this interview with Jerry Garcia who recounts some Neal Cassady experiences…starts at the 12.00 minute mark (and the entire interview was interesting[Garcia was a very articulate being]):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkkbJ_KI2Y

      • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

        Thanks for that Buck.

        Garcia was a sharp guy. I was surprised when I heard he died from a heroine overdose. In his case I suppose there wasn’t much difference from what you saw on stage and his own personal, private life.

        But then again, reading Mark Christiansen’s Ken Kesey Bio, we learn that in late middle age Kesey began using speed and ruined his liver, which didn’t stop him from pounding down a dozen vodka martinis every day. Its hard to believe that someone with Kesey’s talent, insight and intelligence would end up drinking himself to death.

        Well, no so hard to believe. Poe, Malcolm Lowry, Scott Fitzgerald and Jack Kerouac did the same thing.

        brh

        • Buck Stud December 9, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

          I believe Garcia died in a rehab clinic from a heart attack, but it’s no secret he was a user as you mention. As I recall he was 53 when he died and one of the oldest looking 53 year old males that I’ve ever seen.

          From what I’ve read Garcia was over the Dead and would have rather played his own stuff and bluegrass but their were too many people within the Dead organization who had come to depend on the touring income for their livelihood. Another pitfall of fame I suppose, the guilt that one might feel from walking away and leaving all the help basically unemployed.

          I used to ride the ferry boat from Sausalito to San Francisco and watch the Jerry Garcia Band play the Warfield Theater which is beautiful Victorian venue. The ushers would open the balcony floors and ocean breezes would clear out the pot smoke. I was never a huge fan but it gave me something to do on occasion.

  65. Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:41 pm #

    The Social Justice Warriors (communists) are the Gift that just keeps on giving. And countless Whites have been awakened by the Black and Leftist reaction to Ferguson. It is the Harvest Time, friends. We are well pleased. Keep it coming Eddie and Barbie!

    http://www.dailystormer.com/jew-mourns-the-fact-that-sjws-are-creating-a-generation-of-fascists/

  66. Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 2:54 pm #

    Why didn’t Kdog tell us about this? Get your message published on a cyber billboard in Seattle.

    http://www.deehubs.com/

  67. pkrugman December 9, 2014 at 4:02 pm #

    “JHK certainly doesn’t state that.” — BRH

    Hey, BRH, have you been in any civil wars lately? That is what JHK says we are heading toward, if peak oil doesn’t get us first.

    Did you read JHK’s last paragraph this week? It is right there:

    “I don’t think we’re capable of making these distinctions anymore, and surely not of doing anything constructive about them. Instead, we just appear to be careening toward a new and different kind of civil war.”

    If you say we are not capable of doing anything about our situation, well, that is just a way of saying we are fucked. And I have lived through a civil war. It is not pretty.

    • BackRowHeckler December 9, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

      Which civil war? Nicaragua?

      • Buck Stud December 9, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

        With a name like “Pat Kelly” we can be sure that Asoka’s face looks like a”map of Ireland “!

  68. barbisbest December 9, 2014 at 4:09 pm #

    Indeed we are the Indians now Janos.We may find out what decimated their culture and the turnaround may be, progress isn;t lineal. And no
    Edward4432, apparently the Native Indians didn’t have clear title.

    Beautiful indian madein America.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 9, 2014 at 4:30 pm #

      Here it is – the gloating at the downfall of his own Nation. It’s a uniquely White corruption but the Alien Establishment has done its best to foster it. See Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States” to see this meme in all its grisly glory.

  69. Cheesewhiz December 9, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

    Before it’s over, I bet that the Wall Street Journal and CNN will blame racial strife in America on “Russian propaganda” and conspiracy theorists.

    Because America is a place with low unemployment, where anyone who wants to work hard can get ahead, and the God-given mission to export its Consumerist way of life. Anyone who says we have problems or use our military/economic might in cynical ways must be a Russian propagandist. And once you’re a Russian propagandist, they can seize your bank accounts and make you disappear.

  70. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 4:44 pm #

    Angelo is a guy I used to shoot pool with who did roofing.

    He’s also an insomniac butcher I used to know — and a major prick. For the time I did know him, I gave him no peace. He wouldn’t shut up about how holy and well-behaved his alter boy grandson was compared to me, so I’d take every opportunity to prove him right by sticking it to him every chance I got. We had some great battles. Hopefully, I made it that much more difficult for him to sleep — the little sleep that he did get. His wife was a saint though. She made the most incredible Italian beef sandwiches, the kind soaked in the gravy, I’ve ever had. God I miss those sandwiches.

  71. Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 4:51 pm #

    White. People are going to be [scrapping] to carve out an existence and laws will be designed to prevent them from [scrapping] successfully. Your children, or your grandchildren, may be [scrappers] just like Eric Garner, – Cold

    ============

    just one p in each case

    • Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

      No, it’s two p’s (in a pod?).

      Scrapping

      The act of taking any item not nailed down, preferably items that can be sold at the scrap yard i.e. steel, aluminum, copper to make a living.

      A good day of scrapping loosies can get you a twenty dollar rock and a pack of cigarettes.

      It’s a liberal use of the street term, but it works as an expanded definition.

      • Q. Shtik December 9, 2014 at 9:58 pm #

        I thought you meant it as in “just scraping by.”

  72. pkrugman December 9, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    Stealing cigars. Playing with a toy gun. Walking with a hoodie and bag of candy. Selling cigarettes. Why don’t we simply say crimes may have occurred but there are no criminals and there will be no consequences.

    That is what we did after learning about illegal secret torture prisons set up by some Americans. Crimes happened but no one will be held accountable.

    Of course, the unarmed Blacks did not waste our national treasure, trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, in the commission of their crimes.

    The unarmed whites (Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, etc.) will get away with mass murder and torture. They will not be prosecuted. No one will put a choke hold on them, or slam them into walls, or deprive them of sleep, or threaten to use a broomstick on their rectums, or strip them naked and hang them by chains, or have dogs snapping at their exposed genitals, or be repeatedly water boarded until they confess their crimes.

    The Torture Report reveals the crimes committed by Bush and Company. Rush Limbaugh was lying when he said prisoners were undergoing fraternity pranks, not torture.

    • seawolf77 December 9, 2014 at 6:26 pm #

      Look at Bill Cosby, America’s Dad. It is always the same smarly, smiling suck ups that cut your heart out.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:48 am #

        Yeah it’s probably just a matter of time until Morgan Freeman, alias “God”, falls in the same way. Blacks have a stronger lower nature. What can you do? Expect them to act like Whites? That’s raciss.

        • alphie December 12, 2014 at 10:02 am #

          world history is awash in blood spilled by Anglo Saxons. the need for conquest and power originates from a primitive i.e. “lower nature”. I would say the Anglo’s got the corner on that market

    • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 10:54 am #

      The unarmed whites (Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, etc.) will get away with mass murder and torture.
      The wars roll on. Bush let office 6?7? years ago.
      Barry is in charge now. He is the unarmed half White.

    • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

      ‘Walking with a hoodie and bag of candy.’

      Bullshit. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and you know that.

  73. Theedrich December 9, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Much of what nowadays goes by the name of “liberalism” is in fact psychopathology.  How so?  We know scientifically vastly more today about the genetic and evolutionary bases of the behavior of the different races.  And without any doubt the Negroids are the least evolved of all human subspecies.

    In biology, there is a metric called the “r—K” scale.  It measures a group of traits that reflect the life history of a life form:  survival, growth, speed of maturation, and reproduction among them.  On the “r” end, a species has many offspring and invests the least energy in caring for them.  The “K” end is the opposite:  fewer offspring, more energy in caring for them.  (For documentation on this, see Professor J. Philippe Rushton’s Race, Evolution and Behavior.)

    Location on the r—K scale is the result of evolutionary pressures and applies to the whole of animal life, as Harvard University biologist E.O. Wilson showed.  Of all species, humans are the most “K”-oriented.  But the metric applies within the human spectrum as well.

    In Africa, where humans first evolved, life has always been extremely uncertain and short;  it is a continent where less intelligence and less impulse control are needed than elsewhere for hominid survival.  Asia (especially its northeast) has allowed life only to peoples with higher intelligence and greater impulse inhibition;  Europe lies in the middle of this scale.

    What this means sociobiologically is that Negroids are unsuited to the civilizations of the north.  Countervailing this, however, is the factor of White guilt, which is an aspect of impulse control, the obverse of the intelligence coin.  When pushed to excess, guilt becomes a form of neurosis.  It so happens that the tendency toward neurosis is also most pronounced among east Asiatics, and least so among African types.  In the West, as a result of two millennia of Christian (and some Jewish) preaching, Europeans (including atheists) now assume that all Whites are infected with “original sin” by genetic inheritance from their first ancestors in the mythical “garden of Eden.”  (In that foundation myth, by the way, the two “trees” are actually a single one — the projection, by the subconscious, of the human central nervous system —;  the “fruit” of the knowledge-tree is conscious knowledge — not an “apple”;  the talking snake a metaphor for curiosity ; and donning clothes is a metaphor of consciousness of the self as apart from nature and society.)  Christianity (and hence European-American culture) exaggerates the guilt-neurosis proclivity and has used it to justify many a burning at the stake.  It fired the American Civil War, in which the North took great self-righteous glee in massive slaughter for the sake of expiating its own guilt, projected onto the South.

    This same neurosis underlies the current efforts, today, by the mainstream media to incite race riots and blame them on White “injustice” toward infantile Negroids (who never ate the fruit of knowledge and consciousness from the knowledge-tree, and thus never became responsible for their actions).

    The unconscious, which consists largely of our phylogenetic and early childhood memories, does not want itself revealed.  Thus, in an effort to mask its neurosis, the Left uses every logic error in the book:  the argumentum ad hominem (“You’re a Nazi, a racist!”);  ad populum (“You re against the tide of history!”);  ad baculum (“We’re going to publish your address so crazies can find and kill you!”):  petitio principii or “begging the question” (initially assuming what one sets out to “prove”);  and many more.  But it is all driven by psychopathology.

    Because guilt is such a wonderful tool for political control (cf. the Stockholm syndrome which today dominates what is left of Germany), it is not going to be abolished any time soon.  However, the entire Ponzi edifice of Western civilization is teetering on the precipice because of its inner genosuicidism and its exhaustion both of resources and of biospheric support systems.  It will soon be too expensive for White Leftists to transport themselves to their demonstrations against “White racism.”  Their tantrums will have to be supported by our government and the guilt-driven ultra-rich.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:54 am #

      Welcome aboard. Great stuff. It’s is the Autumn of our Civilization, the Harvest. The crop is heavy but the Laborers are few. We have to save as much and as many of our Civilization as we can. Store it up in barns, guard it, and wait for Spring – the Next Civilization.

    • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 11:06 am #

      “Europe lies in the middle of this scale.” Really? But do Nordics have the highest IQs? There is research pointing to Minnesota being ‘the smartest state’ [well not iif you look at how they vote there, haha].

      In the humor department at DWLU [dishonest white liberal university] we have exhibit ‘A’. It is comical in its not wanting to size up race and ethnicity in the “search for why these white -oops did I post that?- children are SOOOOO smart.

      Exhibit A,http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120425355065601997

    • alphie December 12, 2014 at 11:27 am #

      you make a pretense of scientific objectivity when in fact you’re just another run-of-the-mill racist. I doubt E.O. Wilson would appreciate you citing his work for your own bigoted ends. whether one is Left, Right or Upside down if you judge an entire group of people based on the color of their skin you are a racist. your 10,000 word thesis can’t hide that fact

  74. Cold N. Holefield December 9, 2014 at 6:53 pm #

    We’re so distracted with this hyped nonsense here in America we have no idea what’s going on in the rest of the world. I’m surprised no one has mentioned this lately. The American mainstream media is jumping from one fabricated and sensationalized domestic crisis to the next and in the meantime the Commies are taking over the world. Even I’ve dropped the ball on Russia. I have no idea what’s going on with Russia right now. Maybe I’ll have to check in and see if Putin murdered any more journalists or poisoned any former comrades. Things might be a bit dicey here in America, but let’s all thank God it’s not Russia — yet.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 5:01 am #

      Cold, it is hard to tell who is more “commies” these days, Russians or Americans.

  75. pkrugman December 9, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

    “We’re so distracted…” –Cold

    Yes, we failed to notice harmonious cooperation recently in Congress to pass a budgetary measure. Republicans and Democrats agreed Tuesday on a $1.1 trillion spending bill to avoid a government shutdown and delay a politically-charged struggle over President Barack Obama’s new immigration policy until the new year.

  76. nsa December 9, 2014 at 11:23 pm #

    Krugie, baby…..for christakes give it a rest…….

  77. johngalt333 December 10, 2014 at 3:07 am #

    Boys at Ft Meade losing control?

  78. FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 4:48 am #

    Slovakia Prime Minister Robert Fico warns of coming “big conflict” in Europe

    “I’m talking about a direct military conflict. I’m not talking about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, but about the great conflict,” – said the Prime Minister of Slovakia Robert Fico, adding that the information came from a German source, who asked not to be named.

    Because of this potential conflict, nervousness is apparently being felt in most of EU. Therefore, we must find forces in Europe that are willing to play the role of peacekeepers. “If war breaks out there, if there is something going to happen, Slovakia will suffer”, – stated the Prime Minister, adding that the events in Ukraine – is, in fact, a large Russian-American conflict. The European Union, which is not united, he said, does not play a decisive role here.

    In other words – the war between the United States (which in such cases in Europe referred to as NATO) and the Russian Federation, according to the Slovak Prime Minister, is inevitable.

    Readers’ of “Protivohod” in the case of such development will be less surprised by that turn of events than the others. Most of the population of the Czech Republic fell victims to militaristic propaganda in media mainstream, which for the last time pretends that “All is quiet on the Eastern front”, and don’t have the slightest idea.

    The tension is rising.

    The turning point was, without doubt, G-20 conference in Australia. Vladimir Putin arrived with proposals for a compromise, which, however, were rejected by Barack Obama and Angela Merkel (i.e. Brussels) after six-hour talks. German Chancellor then unusually sharply criticized the head of the Kremlin and warned of a “large fire”, which can cause conflict in Ukraine. Everything that happened has been strengthened by Republican victory in the elections to the US Congress, after which it became clear that United States began to prepare openly to European war.

    However, the other side, that will be the target of the attack, has started to prepare as well. The relative advantage of this side is that the Russian people – unlike the US – firmly stand behind their president. According to the magazine Tyden (incidentally, the only one of all Czech corporate media), “the popularity of Russian President Vladimir Putin is at historical highs since the March annexation of Crimea and continues to break records. Almost 88 % of Russian surveyed were pleased with the head of Kremlin.

    The only question is when and why?

    We can say with almost absolute certainty that the Americans are trying to provoke a war with Russia. The only question is when and under what pretext. Not accidentally, NATO has just announced that the “rapid reaction force” – the troops of the first echelon – will be deployed in early January. For the reason that the abrupt change in Angela Merkel position and the election of the Polish hawk Donald Tusk to “EU President” – a signal that the EU elite is already fully involved in the sphere of US interests and fully renounced the vital interests of Europeans.

    That is why a total media blackout has descended around the topic of Ukraine. Conflict should break out unexpectedly, like a bolt from the blue sky so that the public did not have time to focus on anti-war defensive response.

    Strictly speaking, everything is “exactly the opposite”: Washington is not dragging the European military train behind; it is pushing the Europe in front like a shield. Washington hopes that the Europeans will bleed while they are save behind the Big Pond and only counting the profits. Only war could save the Dying Dollar. This doctrine, however, comes from the hope that the conflict does not grow into a nuclear one and that the threat of total destruction of both sides will play the role of a safety fuse.

  79. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 6:21 am #

    Cold, it is hard to tell who is more “commies” these days, Russians or Americans.

    That’s the damn truth. Russia reverts to a perverted form of a perverted form of capitalism, and America has reverted to a perverted form of a perverted form of communism. Either way, we Little People lose. No where to run to, no where to hide — not even inside our “own” head — they’re developing ways to control that wild and free frontier as well. Full Spectrum Dominance. Crazy is no longer an escape.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 7:49 am #

      “Either way, we Little People lose.”

      Not sure. Russian real wages went up 3 times since Putin took over in 2000. Russian women starting to have children again. (Number of births exceed deaths). It is the trend that matters, not absolute numbers.

      • Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 8:20 am #

        Context, dear Finca, context. Was there improvement? Sure there was, but the following is also improvement yet the punishment continues.

        “My husband used to beat me five times a day — now he only beats me twice a day.”

  80. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 6:32 am #

    Speaking of Jerry Garcia, I have always found Ben & Jerry’s ice cream to be over-rated and ridiculously expensive. I am not dead, yet al least, and I’m not grateful.

    Ben & Jerry

  81. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 6:38 am #

    We can say with almost absolute certainty that the Americans are trying to provoke a war with Russia.

    No way. That makes no sense. I’ve covered the how and why at my blog in multiple blog posts. There may be proxy scuffles here and there in states targeted for failure, but there will never be any form of direct confrontation. Oligarchs of any stripe are not suicidal. They live to finagle and there’s no such thing as Peak Finagling.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 7:44 am #

      If Russians came to Canada or Mexico and pay billions of dollars to overthrow elected, US-friendly government and install pro-Russian, anti-American regime, wouldn’t you call it at least a little provocative?

      • Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 8:31 am #

        I’d call it improbable to the point of statistically impossible. Cuba serves as an example to any Latin American or South American country. They know Cuba will be their fate if they don’t subscribe. So they subscribe and pledge their allegiance to be Banana Republics in perpetuity. Canada is a little different. It’s a Bananas Foster Republic — a bit more fancy, complex and appetizing than just plain old bananas. Russia lacks the sophistication to pull off such an endeavor. America’s not too worried about a regional player like Russia. Despite Putin’s diminutive roars, the once formidable Soviet Union is no more and Putin’s Russia is a poor imitation. Russia is no longer The Bear, but rather it’s a pesky, irritating Chihuahua that won’t stop insecurely barking at its own shadow.

  82. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 7:16 am #

    “Dialog? All I see is a bunch of white folks chattering to each other. Only when the black viewpoint is represented here will you have a true dialog” – homesteader –

    I take it you are black, homesteader? Cool. Jump into this fray anytime. I’m sure many would like to hear your perspectives.

    On the other hand, if you’re not black, what you said was very racist.
    Not to mention pretty stupid, as well.

  83. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 7:45 am #

    Janos, sometimes you appear to be parroting Limbaugh, or someone, more or less verbatim. And cold and several others, this web article picks at those of you who excuse the deliberate (justified?) killing of Michael Brown with too righteous enthusiasm – will condemning the (certainly) accidental death of Eric Garner with fierce moral indignation.

    http://theden.tv/2014/12/06/eric-garner-and-the-respectable-right/

    This particular website has some rough corners that they should shave off. But this particular article is short and thought-provoking, at least.

    • progress4what December 10, 2014 at 7:47 am #

      oops
      while condemning

      and delete one “particular,” while you’re at it

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:54 pm #

      Well as I said, this is the Harvest Time. Countless people are coming to realize that the Left has nothing to say except “Whites Bad, Blacks Good.” So we enter into the fray to help awaken people by involving ourselves in this question. That’s not to say my moral outrage isn’t real: they killed a man for nothing. It has nothing to do with him being Black – he could have just as well be White. Again the Left blows it by trying to make it about race. His family even disagrees with this. We’ll see if they change their tune when it comes time for the Lawsuit as Rodney King did.

      Limbaugh has actually walked off the Republican Plantation. He seems to be really sincere about his horror of their support for the Amnesty. He’s finally come to realize (at least in rudimentary form) what’s been known for centuries: free trade destroys nations. That’s why Marx supported it. He actually talks now about the Corporations and Chamber of Commerce putting cheap labor above America. I don’t expect him to become a White Nationalist of course.

      http://www.dailystormer.com/a-critical-look-at-rush-limbaugh-conservatism-in-crisis/

      You still haven’t answered why that bastard kept choking him after he was subdued. Hate to think that you are a badge sucker….

  84. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 8:05 am #

    Ishabaka –

    Excellent post! I would have totally missed it had I not been running a search for “10,”, this morning. I’d suggest you please repost it at the bottom of the thread, so that all will see it.

    And I’d disagree with some of it. For example, tasers cause plenty of deaths. And it bothers me a lot, as a civilian, to see a suspect chatting amiably with police, before the taser is used to force compliance. The compliance is due to severe pain, right? Why not just use a cattle prod? It would be a lot safer for all concerned, wouldn’t it?

    In hindsight, maybe – if the police had announced to Garner, “we’re about to handcuff you. If you resist AT ALL, you will be tased,” and then proceeded with the arrest – – maybe OK.

    Although, it appears that it wasn’t the choke that killed Garner, it was chest compression from being prone on the pavement for those 7 minutes, or however long it was. So, if it was his day to die – wouldn’t we be having this same conversation, except substituting “taser” for “chokehold?”

  85. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 9:05 am #

    Finca, I’m on to you. I’m not going to let go until you’re down and out. I have no mercy for those who play dirty. You know what I mean and I know what you’re up to. Everyone, beware of Disqus. It’s the key to the shenanigans.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 12:46 pm #

      Planning an all-out maritime blockade or just ignore a regional player like me?

      • Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 1:04 pm #

        None of the above — I’ll merely keep dropping the price of oil, your bread & butter, like I’ve been doing and watch you flop around like a fish out of water.

        The drop in the price of oil has been revealing in so many ways, as I knew it would be. One such revealing way is the reaction of the conservative pundits — they’re aghast at the aberration rather than cheering it like any champion of Liberty should. Cheap oil has always driven the economy and now that it’s cheap again and getting cheaper they’re clamoring for it to be more expensive. Wazzup wit dat?

  86. Karah December 10, 2014 at 9:16 am #

    I say we shoot for 600 comments this week!

  87. BackRowHeckler December 10, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    To Buck Stud,

    That’s a nice little scene you painted there in just a sentence or two, taking a ferry from Suasalito to San Francisco across the straights, to see the Grateful Dead perform in an elegant converted Victorian Mansion.

    Its probably less than 3 decades ago, but it seems like a picture from a distant, more civilized age, out of reach now, never again to be recreated.

    brh

    • Buck Stud December 10, 2014 at 10:29 am #

      Yep BRH, it was in the early 90s’. Lonely days for me as I was from out of town and living up in the top floor of a workshop–rent was very expensive in Sausalito, even back then. The workshops were located in an old WW2 shipyard– Liberty Shipway to be exact. They were older buildings and on my more morose nights I would be thankful they were built out of wood just in case the “Big One” happened to hit.

      I haven’t been back to the Bay Area in a while so I’m not sure how much it’s changed since I was there. The traffic was hideous back then and I’m sure that hasn’t improved much. And true to obsession, I frequently wondered what it might be like to be on a bridge if a 9.0 happened to hit at rush hour ( this was a couple of years after the Loma Prieta earthquake and they were still reminders about in the aftermath).

      What a beautiful city though. Perhaps my most memorable moment in my time there was walking in to the Mission Dolores during Christmas season and hearing “Hark The Herald” being played on the organ. It was so incredibly beautiful and unexpected that tears welled up in my eyes and at that moment there was nothing more that I desired or thought about–truly an aesthetic experience. In the yard out back their were graves and headstones of parishioners who traveled half way around the world –from Ireland mainly–and who died a long way from home and with probably very little gold in their pockets.

      But I have to correct you BRH: it was the Jerry Garcia Band and not the Grateful Dead. I learned that the hard way just before a show one time. I had bought advance tickets for both bands and showed up the night of the Jerry Garcia showed op mistakenly with a Grateful Dead ticket and was refused admission!

      Dejected, I hopped back on the ferry boat to Sausalito with “Ship Of Fools” playing in my head. But not so foolish as to ignore the last scarlet red light illuminating the upper echelons of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown.

      • BackRowHeckler December 10, 2014 at 11:38 am #

        Hey homesteader, if you’re still looking in, and I think you are, check out Buck Studs post up above.

        That kind of writing should be enough to keep you here, if nothing else.

        brh

        • Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

          That kind of writing should be enough to keep you here, if nothing else.

          It’s what keeps Q. Shtik here. I’ll do his job this time around since he’s trying to be more substantive.

          Buck said: I had bought advance tickets for both bands and showed up the night of the Jerry Garcia showed op mistakenly with a Grateful Dead ticket and was refused admission!

          It should read as follows, or something akin to as follows:

          I purchased advance tickets for both bands and unwittingly presented the Grateful Dead ticket the night The Jerry Garcia Band was playing. Much to my dismay, I was refused admission.

          • BackRowHeckler December 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm #

            These so called ‘Die Ins’, where participants lie on the floor or the ground in public places, are spreading around here on campuses and even in High Schools like a contagious disease. Also I’ve read that students who refuse to participate are harangued and called racist, etc. Teachers and professors are joining in on the fun, too. Today its Smith College, Trinity, St Joseph in WHartford, Yale Medical, they’re all in, just to name a few. ‘Black Lives Matter’, appears to be most frequent chant. Black Lives Matter? Why then are there 450,000 black babies aborted every year in the US if black lives matter so much? I don’t think a question like that would go over too good up at Smith in North Hampton, Mass., where tuition is $50,000 per year and the parking lots are full of Beamers, Range Rovers and Mercedes Benzes.

            –brh

          • Buck Stud December 10, 2014 at 3:47 pm #

            Much better Cold I do agree. Your correction reads like a smooth ride down a water slide; mine, like a rough roll over a field for sharp, frozen boulders.

            I don’t know why I can’t see so many faults until they’re actually posted and it’s too late. On the other hand, it there were edit/delete features I wouldn’t leave any posts standing; they’re actually painful to read in the aftermath lol.

            I suppose one aspect of high quality writing is time to refine and condense. But I also enjoy a sketchy, gestural quality at times too. You write very well IMO, both here and on your own blog.

          • Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

            Thanks, Buck. You also write very well. I wudz jus funnin wit ya. I know you were running and gunning and not refining. I do it too on occasion, but Q. Shtik makes me so self-conscious, I feel I have no choice but to check it over at least once before posting — sometimes twice even. We all have our special purpose in life. We know Q. Shtik’s. I haven’t found mine yet and time’s running out. Michael Brown found his, and yet doesn’t even know it.

  88. barbisbest December 10, 2014 at 10:54 am #

    Reply to Janos. I know darn well who founded this country and who owned this land before it was taken over. I am also aware that i benefit from it. Many of my ancestors were white Europeans who fought in the war of Independence and also were Native Indians.. Indians owned this land. I do not need to get my head straight. They came for the indians, I wasn’t one, and said nothing….. Please respectfully leave the Native Americans out of your future dialog. Enough was done to them! It’s probably not going to solve the future.

    Do you know how the Redskins got their name. From all the bloody indian bodies.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm #

      You’re trying to duck the existential responsibility which you have taken on yourself – by passing it onto the rest of us. No. You are guilty. You have to go back to Europe – or make yourself into a slave of the Indians, perhaps work in one of their many Casinos for free or donate all your earning to the Tribe. That is the solution for the countless millions who believe in Howard Zinn and his vicious lies.

      Think of how righteous you will feel sleeping in an old van in the Casino parking lot. Each day you will get up work off your karmic debt – which can never be paid off since it is too heavy. But at least you’ll be right with yourself. No more hypocrisy of trying to blame OTHER Whites and trying to destroy them. You, you, you, you, you.

      Or you can go back to Europe and become a slave of the Muslims. People like you are slaves period. Those inner mind forged manacles Blake talked about.

    • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 4:49 pm #

      ‘Do you know how the Redskins got their name. From all the bloody indian bodies.’
      And where are the scalps the Natives took from the invaders?
      Yr statement makes it sound like the violence was all on one side.

      The Indians were violent and in some cases cannibals.

  89. barbisbest December 10, 2014 at 11:08 am #

    Janos, Intelligently leave out further dialog too about sending blacks back or coralling them into certain areas of the U.S. That’s idiocy for it’s own sake.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

      What could be more compassionate than giving Blacks their own country? You want to keep them slaves on the Democrat Plantation. Your Johnson said, “I’ll have those niggers voting Democrat for next 200 years.” What a monster.

      My vision is in line with that of Jefferson, Lincoln, and other great Americans. You are in line with the Monsters of the current American politics – people like Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Boehner, Bush 1, 2, and Jeb.

      • AKlein December 10, 2014 at 2:40 pm #

        Years ago I worked with a black woman who was unimpressed by the political “outreach” to blacks (mainly Democratic). Her mantra: “Where’s my 40 acres and a mule?” She wasn’t asking for reparations. She was simply highlighting the political perfidy in which blacks have been consistently played for fools.

  90. barbisbest December 10, 2014 at 11:54 am #

    Janos. if you live in the south, good luck with that air conditioning thing. I live in the south and refuse to use it. People lived without it for thousands of years. Interesting to note that indigineous peoples are becoming more involved as witnessed by the cowboy and indian alliance on horseback in the district not too long ago to oppose KXL. Idol No More.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:39 pm #

      Yes many Indians stand with the Minutemen against the Mexican invasion. After all, their treaties and lands were granted by this government, and not Mexico. The Mexicans have a long history of savagery towards the tribes of the Southwest.

  91. volodya December 10, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

    He was a parasite – malthus

    Ok, arrested 30 times? Not an innocent little lamb then.

    The point of my post is that the big-time parasites, the economy wrecking parasites, the ones that drain the life out of a country, that is, those on Wall Street, are A-OK. Nobody piling on them. Why is that?

    Here’s my take. The US government and its law enforcement institutions are hopelessly compromised at the highest levels.

    Mary Jo White to head up the SEC? Mary Jo who worked for a big-time law firm looking after banks she’s now supposedly entrusted to regulate? This is a joke. Who advised Obama on this appointment? Berlusconi? I’d bet on Wall Street having a nice un-troubled life. Wouldn’t you?

    What do you make of Holder’s view of institutions being too big to jail? No prosecution after economy shredding frauds? What do you say to shit like that?

    • AKlein December 10, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

      Here’s what I say about “institutions too big to jail.”
      My Latin is no longer sufficiently fluid to render it in that tongue, but here it is in English: ” They make a fascism and call it democracy”.

      • AKlein December 10, 2014 at 2:30 pm #

        “Fascismum faciunt atque democratiam appellant.”

        • Theedrich December 11, 2014 at 6:47 am #

          Sed pauci nostrum hodie Latine loquuntur.

  92. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 12:26 pm #

    I live in the south and refuse to use it.

    Hopefully none of us get stuck sitting next to you on a long-distance flight.

    Some people feel the same way about toilet paper — meaning they refuse to use it. The uppity ones who fall in this category use bidets and the not-so-uppity ones use nothing but the air dry method. A World Made By Hand is also a World Without Toilet Paper and I don’t find that kind of world appealing in any way. FYI, leaves are not a good substitute for toilet paper.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

      Leaves? You would use nature like that? Not he! He uses his trusty left hand.

  93. FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 1:00 pm #

    “What do you make of Holder’s view of institutions being too big to jail?”

    How you could jail the owners of the country?

  94. Ted Stosterone December 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm #

    This blog and (many) of the comments that follow each post really are as stimulating as anything on the web. I wonder what the average IQ of posters is here. Regardless of the positions taken, the arguments are always provocative.

    • Q. Shtik December 10, 2014 at 2:38 pm #

      I wonder what the average IQ of posters is here. – Ted

      =============

      98.6

      um, no, wait, that’s their temperature.

      • malthuss December 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

        What would the point of knowing that number be?
        And if I agree with an IQ 90 guy or gals post am I a fool?

        If I agree w a frequent poster IQ 150 does that make me smarter?

        Id like to know JHK IQ and Janos IQ.

        • Ted Stosterone December 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm #

          See, now I’ve got you curious too.

          • Ted Stosterone December 10, 2014 at 5:12 pm #

            I say we ask posters to volunteer their IQ score, or at least their best honest guess. If there’s anywhere I’m sure the honor system would work it would be here at this forum, discussing ones own relative intelligence.

          • malthuss December 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm #

            Mine,125 but tested when I was in grade school.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm #

          Mine? A bit above average but nothing extraordinary. I’m good with words, but not numbers so that brings it down. And logic – which interestingly enough seem different than mathematical ability. What do I have? I’m like an out of shape, overweight guy who boxed when he was young. It doesn’t exactly help my fighting ability that I’m overweight – but I can still throw a punch and put everything I have behind it. There are many smarter people who don’t now how to use what they have so I can defeat them just as the old boxer could maul many a strong young punk.

          Obviously prejudice or pre-judgement is an emotional issue and does not indicate stupidity per se. But PC prejudice leads so many smart people into saying and doing stupid things. In the ancient philosophical schools, the student wouldn’t say anything for years. He listened. If he couldn’t absorb, then he didn’t deserve to be there. We must learn to sit down before the facts like a little child. This is or at least was the ideal of Science when it was healthy too.

          Confucius said it in a similar way: I have met many people more educated then myself, but none more eager to learn. To always be a student, always capable of absorbing more – is this not an ideal to emulate?

          Also our culture encourage specialization. A Liberal Arts education was supposed to counter this, but it’s become nothing but indoctrination. So many brilliant people are completely focused on their specialty. Fine if that’s all they want. But since they are people, they naturally want to talk and vote. They will typically stumble when they venture into unfamiliar territory – and issues that aren’t merely technical but human. And of course others never seek the Truth or the Good but only their narrow self interest. They are the Liars. Some know they are and some do not.

    • Zoltar December 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

      You must be kidding Ted. This is the Love Canal of forums – a Petri dish of dysfunction. If you want to read an intelligent and thoughtful discussion, check out the response to the Archdruid’s post each week.

      • Ted Stosterone December 10, 2014 at 5:48 pm #

        Says the guy wiping the toxic waste off his own shoes.. 😉

        • Zoltar December 11, 2014 at 10:28 am #

          Those disposable hospital booties work for me.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

        Zoltar? Or is your real name Zontar of Venus?

        • Zoltar December 11, 2014 at 10:29 am #

          Naw – that’s my cousin. They screwed up the spelling of his name at Ellis Island.

  95. FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 5:33 pm #

    “None of the above — I’ll merely keep dropping the price of oil, your bread & butter, like I’ve been doing and watch you flop around like a fish out of water.” Cold N. Holefield

    Actually, I really appreciate you’re doing that, Cold. My business expenses due to cheaper gas went down quite a bit. Keep it up (If you can)

    ===================================
    “And who are you?”
    “I am part of that eternal force which always wills the evil and always works the good”

    M.Bulgakov “Master and Margarita”

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm #

      Sorry, that was actually a quote from Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, used in one of the chapters of Bulgakov’s novel.

  96. pkrugman December 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm #

    “Actually, I really appreciate you’re doing that, Cold. My business expenses due to cheaper gas went down quite a bit.” — Finca

    The ruble’s value has decreased 35% because of cheaper oil. The ruble plunged due to falling oil prices and Western sanctions over Ukraine. The ruble has lost 65% against the dollar this year thanks to Putin’s actions in Crimea. The more Putin insists on his military adventures, the more pain will be inflicted upon him.

    By the way, it is now winter in Europe and no one is freezing to death because Putin cut off their energy supply. Another failed CFN prediction of doom and gloom, one which ignored the fact that Russia is as Obama said: a third rate regional power in a heap of economic woe. And it will only get worse for Russia if Putin wants to continue his macho act. Putin has no chance against Obama. Putin is getting his ass whupped good. The ruble has been forced to collapse.

  97. Q. Shtik December 10, 2014 at 6:15 pm #

    I want to clear up a loose end from the thread which began Nov 24th. We were discussing the evolution in the terms used to refer to black people in polite company. We whites have been made to jump through hoops by the PC police lest we offend someone’s sensibilities. I asked if anyone could explain why it is that “colored people” is deemed highly offensive yet “people of color” is not only NOT offensive but downright respectful. I am not being a smartass when I ask this question. I truly want to know. If there is some grammatical nuance here, I am not seeing it.

    JohnGalt replied “Yes, I can” meaning he could explain why one term is offensive and the other is not. I said, “OK, I await your explanation. He responded as follows:

    “Please read it yourself, complete with citations from the OED.”

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/03/30/295931070/the-journey-from-colored-to-minorities-to-people-of-color

    I read the link and found nothing more than some history of when the term “people of color” was used as far back as a few centuries ago. I didn’t see one word of explanation why. If someone sees something I have missed in this link, please point it out.

  98. FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

    “The ruble’s value has decreased 35% because of cheaper oil.”

    Oh yes, anglo-saxes con men are famous for their ability to manipulate prices using fake paper futures or naked short selling.

    According to “Big Mak” index – based on the statistical basket of goods, ruble is 14 to 1, but on the paper market it is selling 55 to 1.

    What does that remind me of? Oh yes, the gold price!.

    Since Russians get their salary in rubles and spend rubles in supermarket, I doubt that they give much sh*t about that. Russia is food self-sufficient: If Soviet Union used to import 20 mln tons of grain, Russia exports 30 mln tons.

    All it is going to lead to is the dollar will loose yet another country. Good riddance.

  99. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 6:26 pm #

    OK, this is getting weird.

    ” If you want to read an intelligent and thoughtful discussion, check out the response to the Archdruid’s post each week” – zoltar –

    “No. This blog is hardly a conversation.
    Conversations happen on Archdruid’s blog.” – mikecarrick –

    Guys, you need to get out the ol’ Funk & Wagnalls and look up the definitions of “discussion,” and of “conversation.” Those two things are what is occurring here at CFN. Your problems are that you do not agree with some of what is being said, and this is leading you to redefine the meanings of words that most of us have understood since elementary school.

    Over @ the Archdruid you will find a weekly lecture, followed by questions and responses which are strictly vetted by the Druid, generally to support his own positions. There’s some interesting stuff over there, don’t get me wrong. But a genuine conversation, it most definitely is not.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm #

      Conversation? How about a good fight! We need a referee to keep up the score.

    • Q. Shtik December 10, 2014 at 8:12 pm #

      Guys, you need to get out the ol’ Funk & Wagnalls and look up the definitions of “discussion,” – Prog

      ===============

      My ol’ Fuckin’ WaggonWheels says discussion: that which happens when I speak and everyone else nods in agreement.

    • Ted Stosterone December 11, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

      Good point.

  100. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 6:34 pm #

    “You still haven’t answered why that bastard kept choking him after he was subdued. Hate to think that you are a badge sucker….”

    Janos, I gave you an answer @ 4:22 on 12/9.
    Here’s a link: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/now-eric-garner/#comment-222447

    This comment format has some quirks that make it hard to follow a conversation and keep it going, doesn’t it. Ozone kept pointing that out to us, didn’t he? Wish someone would have listened. hahohe!

    And what happened to that ring-side doctor that posted early this morning? He apparently didn’t see my response to him, either.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 11, 2014 at 3:16 am #

      Ok. Sean Hannity (I don’t love these guys just the reaction their names in elicit in Liberal test subjects. I will henceforth just call him Sean. This familiarity adds to the effect!) is in the martial arts apparently. He said the choke was not on the airway but the carotid artery. But other people have said such holds are risky in and of themselves – especially for someone as big and fragile as Mr Garner who had already undergone the stress of being taken down and with hundreds of pounds of pressure on him as he lay there.

      You have a strange will towards taking the cop’s side. Remember, it’s Un-American to bow down to authority too much.

  101. FincaInTheMountains December 10, 2014 at 6:55 pm #

    Anyway, who needs dollars when you have oil, gas, the whole god damned Mendeleev’s Table, best nuclear reactors, best jet-fighters and best military helicopters? One third of ALL world’s natural resources are in Russia.

    What does America exports except for trouble all over the world?

    Russia could buy cheap plastic toys directly from China in exchange for Nat Gas, and screw the Wall Mart, beef from Argentina in exchange for Nuclear reactors and military equipment, bananas from Nicaragua in exchange for heavy machinery to help them build that Canal that will rival the Panama Canal.

    • ZrCrypDiK December 10, 2014 at 9:03 pm #

      “What does America export(s) except for trouble all over the world?”

      I believe the US exports all its plastic recyclables to China, along with all the toxic computer/b00b tube scrap/waste. So, more than just war and killing.

      And I just KNEW Q would jump all over that “scrapping”*3 post (I just can’t see “scraping” for the 3rd instance, “Dad”). PCR’s latest guest article (and commentary) was a decent read. And Vlad seems to agree with me, that this militarized police state isn’t a racial issue – it is a poverty (proletariat) one.

      In fact, I heard a story recently that happened here in McMinnville, where a man got gunned down, after the 3 cops told him to put his hands in the air, which he did (drop the knife) – then he gets shot 15 times (6:54):

      youtube.com/watch?v=n2t_JMjtYUQ

      Suspected murderer, simply camping beside the RedBox (heh). I love how they keep telling the CORPSE to put his hands up afterward – oh guess what, 15 bullets left some blood, too…

  102. Cold N. Holefield December 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm #

    Over @ the Archdruid you will find a weekly lecture, followed by questions and responses which are strictly vetted by the Druid, generally to support his own positions. There’s some interesting stuff over there, don’t get me wrong. But a genuine conversation, it most definitely is not.

    I agree. That space is amazingly pretentious and it is in no way an open and free discussion or conversation. I like The Good, The Bad and The Ugly — and everything in between. I want the whole Megillah or nothing at all. CFN’s the whole Megillah Gorilla and that’s what keeps us coming back for more.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 10, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

      The Druid is the kind of guy who has never been punched in the face. Perhaps it would be good for him? Check out this guy: the look on his face is priceless. He’s an old hippie dude with a “Stop Killing Black Men” t shirt. He tried to stop a Black kid from looting so the Black hit him in the head with a hammer. His whole philosophy of Life has been shown to be a delusion. Pretty good wages for one little bash.

      http://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/protesters-in-california-clash-with-police-and-vandalize-stores/

  103. 76ncurious December 10, 2014 at 7:22 pm #

    All seem to be blaming the cops. How about blaming the legislative group in NYC who are taxing cigarettes at $6.00 a pack? And why? It certainly has something to do with the corrupt unions who run that corrupt city. The taxes will pay for union activities including retirement!

    Did a little checking. The NYC cops are actually used to look into businesses and check to be sure the cigarette stamp is on all packs. I sort of thought the cops would have something better to do–like arrest a real criminal??!!

    I have no idea what the penalty is for selling cigarettes on the street, but I would imagine it’s pretty stiff. Is there jail time? Why arrest anyone doing this “crime”? Give the poor sucker a ticket to show up at a court hearing and possibly pay a fine. Sure would’ve beat killing him!

  104. Albatross December 10, 2014 at 8:17 pm #

    Very Many…are going to perish.

  105. pkrugman December 10, 2014 at 8:29 pm #

    “There should, in my mind, be no debate about prosecutions for war crimes. Seriously, can you imagine the US opposing such prosecutions if they were in a foreign country? Besides, the US’ clear international and domestic legal obligations admit of no exception for the prosecution of those credibly accused of torture – let alone of those, like Cheney, who have openly bragged about it. It specifically bars any exception in the case of national emergency. Not to prosecute because of such an emergency is therefore to end the Geneva Conventions – which is what Obama has effectively done. He must not be let off the hook for that fateful step – and what it does to the core meaning of the United States.

    From now on, the US is a human rights violator of the first order under international law, a rogue state that has explicitly tortured innocent people and never held anyone legally responsible. I know that sounds terribly harsh. But how is it untrue? And to refuse to prosecute war crimes is to condone war crimes. Not burglary or robbery – but the gravest crimes against humanity that we can imagine. The perpetrators walk among us, many still in the CIA, and some holding presidential Medals of Freedom. Whatever absurd self-congratulations about this report, we should be in no doubt that this makes us no better in this respect than some South American junta before the transition to democracy.” — Andrew Sullivan

    How Obama Backed Impunity for War Crimes
    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/12/10/why-arent-the-torturers-in-jail/

    • Theedrich December 11, 2014 at 7:07 am #

      Yesterday the big surprise was that outgoing Democratic Senator Udall of Colorado laid it on the line that not only CIA director Brennan and his predecessors were heading, and covering up for, a coterie of thugs rewarded for their brutality, but Barry himself is deeply implicated in their criminality.  It is sickening to listen to this POTUS say “tsk, tsk” about the crimes he oversees, as though he had nothing to do with them.

  106. pkrugman December 10, 2014 at 8:38 pm #

    About three weeks ago Cold and Q made comments to the effect that Ferguson protests would quickly fizzle out. Cold said they had already fizzled out because people were watching football and eating turkey.

    I said “no justice, no peace” and it looks like I was right. Peaceful protests have expanded to include dozens of cities. Another case of Q being wrong to call the protests a “fart in the wind” … The protests continue.

    Medical students from more than 70 schools on Wednesday protested racial profiling and police brutality through the social media initiative #WhiteCoats4BlackLives.

    Hundreds of medical students wore white coats at “die-ins” and other protests on campuses to spotlight racial bias as a public health issue.

    • Q. Shtik December 10, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

      I’ll confess, the protests have gone on longer than I expected but they WILL peter out and with little of substance to show for their efforts. Hey, somebody’s got to be a pessimist around here, Dr. Pangloss.

      • malthuss December 11, 2014 at 3:01 pm #

        Everyday a Black person is killed by a LEO in this country.
        And remember Saint Trayvon was killed by his attacker who the media labeled as White.

        ‘They’ [the malcontents] will find another symbol in the morgue once this series of looting’s ends.

    • cornpone2014 December 11, 2014 at 11:50 am #

      “racial profiling”,

      to ignore the obvious does us all a disservice

  107. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

    “I asked if anyone could explain why it is that “colored people” is deemed highly offensive yet “people of color” is not only NOT offensive but downright respectful.” – q –

    Yeah. I read the rugsoaker’s link, also. IMO, it’s just academic exhaust gas, the effluent issuing from myriad minority studies departments scattered around the country. They all self-validate one another’s academic papers and research because – I dunno? Because nature abhors a vacuum?

    One positive outcome, though? Well – I was reading through a young family member’s list for school supplies to begin the new school year and found the following requested items:

    1 bottle white glue
    1 pair scissors
    1 pack pencils of color
    1 pack ball point pens

    So there is that, I suppose. 😉

    • ZrCrypDiK December 10, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

      OMG, haha – those poor pencils, and their ball point pen nemeses! Reminds me of the Rush tune, The Trees (maples and oaks)…

      • ZrCrypDiK December 10, 2014 at 11:10 pm #

        Ack! My bad – forgot the “link”:

        youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw

        Oh, yeah, how ’bout Robert Plant – saw his concert here a couple years ago at the blues festival in PDX. Dance On My Own another classic from his solo (non-led-zep) album, Now And Zen.

        • ZrCrypDiK December 11, 2014 at 1:31 am #

          “Now And Zen”

          Ayup, got that album, along with a few other led zep classics.

          Grr, 3 in a row (where’s that DAMN “edit post” key)…

          And YES, “you” complained about thread replies and page-rollovers (I am Ozone, ‘membaz? – not you). At least it’s all on one page now (makes historical searches much faster).

          I suppose we could all just load every page (hint/hint) into some database, like MS Access, and “keep records” (notice your alias “no longer” shows up on Google). Sounds like such a dismal existence to me (and I’m gunna watch this TRAIN WRECK until the very end). It’s so tempting to parse this page based upon author using Perl/Python, but I’m simply too bored for such antics (Cass post beyond 36?)…

          Known knowns, and known unknowns – rocket scientists got us here! I do realize what REALLY got us here – I think it’s called a fiber optic or coaxial cable (or perhaps satellite)!

          As for leaving the corpse on the street for 4 hours uncovered, did they even file a police report? Most instances like this, the CSI guys take pictures, the corpse is covered within 20 minutes, and a tent is set up if more exploratory work is warranted. Haha, guess this ain’t “most instances.”

    • alphie December 11, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

      words are like people, some carry more baggage than others

  108. pkrugman December 10, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

    Elizabeth Warren tripped up Boehner as he was on an errand to give more wealth to Wall Street banks. Somebody ought to make that woman president. She stands up against those “to big to jail” boys.

    • cornpone2014 December 11, 2014 at 11:47 am #

      Elizabeth “Hiawatha” Warren?

      She’s been on the dole too long to be of any use to us regular folks.

      Even so, how about a Warren-Sharpton ticket in 2016?

  109. Pucker December 10, 2014 at 9:35 pm #

    I refer to Dmitry Orlov’s brilliant recent blog posting entitled “Defeat is Victory”.

    What did US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld say at the start of the Iraq War: “There are Known Knowns, and Known Unknowns.”

    Shooby Shooby Shooby Do!!!!!

    In his blog posting, Orlov alleges that Thanksgiving is Fake. I have a Sneaking-Suspicion that, like Thanksgiving, Christmas is also “Fake”.

    What a Bummer!

  110. pkrugman December 10, 2014 at 9:39 pm #

    Stop Apache Land Grab

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-apache-land-grab/rnMfH0WL

    We are not done stealing land from the Indians.

    But to do it in order to provide Iran with uranium? I don’t think so!

  111. progress4what December 10, 2014 at 9:53 pm #

    “this militarized police state isn’t a racial issue – it is a poverty (proletariat) one.” – zrcryp –

    Ring the bell of truth for zrcryp!!

    Now, can anybody explain why the national reporting and organizing on this is oriented so totally toward shouting at police that “Black Lives Matter” instead of “All Lives Matter?”

    It’s almost as though those Powers That Be are trying to deliberately split the country along racial lines, or something.

    Pkrugs, you’re one of the chief architects of this racially counterproductive meme at this particular CF Nation. Would you care to explain why it wouldn’t be better to address ALL questionable police killings – instead of the subset of questionable police killings that involve black males?

    This ought to be interesting.

  112. eastbaywatcher December 10, 2014 at 10:44 pm #

    I live in a mostly non-white working-class city, Richmond,CA where we have instituted an authentic community-policing program. Violent crime continues to decrease; this last year down by 70% over about 6 years. How does it work?
    Basically the police are on duty 24/7 and know who the 100 or so big trouble-makers are. These trouble-makers know they’re being watched (as do the non-criminal citizens) so the bad guys and gals watch their behavior. The non-criminals feel secure that the cops are there to help- unlike Oakland where the cops have the usual, paranoid system of coming into neighborhoods after something bad is happening; and avoiding those neighborhoods for the most part so the bad guys do their dirty work with more impunity.
    It’s not perfect but it’s far from the parasitic and sick relationship many city police forces engage in with the populace. Now we have the Israeli police/military establishment teaching cops in the U.S. how to better intimidate the public. Think leaving Brown’s body on the street 4 hours was an anomaly? No- typical Mafia-type intimidation/terrorism tactic.
    We had a city sponsored demonstration here in which youth, general public and the police participated, as a memorial for Brown and Garner. No unrest in our town, unlike the neighboring ones.

  113. Q. Shtik December 10, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

    She stands up against those “[to] big to jail” boys. – Krug

    ===============

    I try to keep an open mind about everything except grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

    Q.

  114. jdmoses December 10, 2014 at 11:46 pm #

    my wife tells me i spend too much time on the internet. she says i have ocd and i need treatment. today i read every comment on this blog and when i was done i proudly told my wife: no need to worry about my over indulgence in the internet honey, I’M CURED!!

    arrividerci amici.

  115. pkrugman December 11, 2014 at 12:45 am #

    “Would you care to explain why it wouldn’t be better to address ALL questionable police killings – instead of the subset of questionable police killings that involve black males?”

    Not just black males. Police kill unarmed black females, too. If you want to have this discussion, please provide me with dozens of examples of unarmed white men and white women killed by police in the 21st century.

    To start here are the names and photos of 76 black men and women who were killed in police custody since the 1999 death of Amadou Diallo in New York.

    http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

    Let’s not talk in the abstract, using words like ALL to mask ugly realities. Let’s honor the dead by naming them. I am providing names of 76 homicides, unarmed black victims of police violence in the last 15 years, just to get the conversation started.

    Since you seem to believe police kill unarmed members of ALL races, here is your chance to provide names of 76 unarmed whites killed by police in the last 15 years. (As you say, “this should be good”)

    Then we can talk about stop and frisk statistics, and how quickly police harassment of Blacks escalates to death by police bullets (it only takes two seconds for an unarmed Black child to be killed by police after they arrive)

    Then you can tell me if you have ever heard of a white cadaver in this 21st century being left lying in the street for over four hours after being killed by police. Tell me about a white person harrassed by being arrested 30 times for a nonviolent infraction who is then is jumped by a gang of police and murdered as cameras film the whole thing.

    I honestly want to know the names of these white victims, see 76 of their white faces… And if you can produce them, then we will talk further. We might both learn something.

  116. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 6:17 am #

    Pkrugs, you’re one of the chief architects of this racially counterproductive meme at this particular CF Nation. Would you care to explain why it wouldn’t be better to address ALL questionable police killings – instead of the subset of questionable police killings that involve black males?

    This ought to be interesting.

    Let’s not ask pkr a rhetorical question to which we already know the answer. It’s called Marketing 101 — How To Make a Bernays Sauce.

    Like I said a week or two ago, this has fizzled out as far as I’m concerned. I’ve decided enough is enough and I’m ready for another crisis. The sooner everyone else decides the same, the better. Remember, as we tussle and fuss over these fabrications…

    somebody’s knocking at the door and we shouldn’t let ’em in .

  117. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 6:45 am #

    Ayup, got that album, along with a few other led zep classics.

    They had so many fooled. At the time, I had no idea they were supposed to be a rendition of The Blues. Looking back at it now, it’s definitely not The Blues although that was their intent considering all the plagiarizing they did. Still, I like their sound but can’t take them seriously any longer, if I ever did. Anyone of note is an entertainer. All is never what it seems. Underneath the cape is a rotting corpse — a society that passed long ago and the decaying remnants of it concealed by the mortician’s magic.

    Ded Zep

    Zeppelin was my youth. But I thought it was their own material. As the years rolled on, I was very disappointed with the lousy music coming from the later Robert Plant and Jimmy Page efforts. “Fate Of Nations” was the last great Robert Plant CD. “Coverdale/Page” sucked and it was all down hill from there. I don’t think that out right stealing your entire catalog and not giving people credit for what they wrote is very cool. It was obviously ripping off the original artists of their work and Zeppelin put their names on all the copyrights as I recently learned by hearing the tunes on the internet. I no longer like Zeppelin. They were a joke. Many bands have covered songs but the difference is that they gave credit to the songwriters that did the original songs. Stop making excuses because it cuts Zeppelin down big time. Even Black Sabbath wrote all their material. As for Page being a pedophile, he used and dumped fourteen year old, Lori Maddox like she was an old rag. He no longer gets any respect from me. Hendrix, The Doors, Eric Clapton, The Beatles, The Stones and countless others were way better than the over rated Zeppelin. I just got older and wiser once I learned how shitty Zeppelin really is. The music is dead to be now. The new “Celebration Day” is another sell out with no new music on it. Just three old farts and a dead drummer’s untalented kid. They suck. I don’t care if I ever hear Zeppelin again. I’ve been duped for years and now I’m angry about it. It was all hype.

    • ZrCrypDiK December 15, 2014 at 7:52 am #

      “considering all the plagiarizing they did”

      Sorry, don’t have those albums – care to enlighten me?!? (4 days en retard) I forgot – who mentioned Ship Of Fools?

  118. FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 6:51 am #

    Cartel Banks blackmail US Government to loot FDIC for their derivatives speculation

    WASHINGTON — Wall Street lobbyists are trying to secure taxpayer backing for many derivatives trades as part of budget talks to avert a government shutdown.

    According to multiple Democratic sources, banks are pushing hard to include the controversial provision in funding legislation that would keep the government operating after Dec. 11. Top negotiators in the House are taking the derivatives provision seriously, and may include it in the final bill, the sources said.

    The bank perks are not a traditional budget item. They would allow financial institutions to trade certain financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. — potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses caused by the risky contracts. Big Wall Street banks had typically traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/04/wall-street-government-shutdown_n_6272776.html

  119. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 6:53 am #

    Confucius said it in a similar way: I have met many people more educated then myself, but none more eager to learn. To always be a student, always capable of absorbing more – is this not an ideal to emulate?

    Indeed it is. This is the problem with Greer and his entourage — they’ve reached Peak Learning. They know everything, or at least think they do and so there is no room or capacity for growth. If you don’t exercise that muscle, it atrophies and dies. They transform from inquisitive searchers to repetitive dullards. But hey, it sells books and garners speaking engagements. No thanks. Not for me. No fame, you gain. Seek fame, for shame.

  120. FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 7:03 am #

    Derivatives allow the FED Owners to expand overall dollar mass

    Since dollar zone has nowhere to expand (may be to the Moon?) and most of the real assets have been already enumerated in dollar terms and corresponding amounts of green paper have been printed, the FED Owners decided to try synthetic assets – the one that purely exist only on paper – in a desperate attempt to justify even more dollar printing.

    Unfortunately for the rest of us living in the real world, derivatives add multiple times the “lever of instability” to economy we all depend on.

    Derivatives contracts will undoubtedly trigger next, and final for Dollar, financial crises.

    • Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 7:11 am #

      There are many legitimate criticisms of derivatives, but “dollar printing” is not one of them. The amount of money in circulation is not increasing and that is what is traditionally meant by “dollar printing.” It’s important to understand this because the gold bugs want their marks to think hyper-inflation is right around the corner because the Fed is cranking up the printing press and therefore the need to get into gold as a hedge.

      • FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 9:20 am #

        Cold, neither you or me fully understand the whole “black magic” behind the modern corrupt to the core financial system, but on purely intuitive level we both understand that money printing business is the most lucrative in the world, by far.

        When the Forbes calls Bill Gates or Warren Buffet the richest men in the world, I want to puke. Their are just a bag holders compared to the Shareholders (Owners) of the Federal Reserve – the ONLY real monetary emission center in the whole world.

        There are multiple ways of keeping the freshly printed green paper from hitting the consumer market and blowing up the inflation sky-high: Housing Market was one of those, up until it blew in 2007/8, now it is the Stock Market, pushing the inflation to vassal states – like Japan, and many more I do not even pretend to know about.

        But EVERYTHING has an end, and I am sure it is near. Again, it has nothing to do with COLLAPSE – it will be difficult, but we shall overcome.

  121. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 7:07 am #

    You have a strange will towards taking the cop’s side. Remember, it’s Un-American to bow down to authority too much.

    The choke hold is really a canard in all this. It doesn’t matter whether Garner died from a choke hold or a heart attack from being tased or any other manner of take-down, what matters is it was unnecessary and unwarranted. The police did not assess the scene and situation properly, whereas Darren Wilson did, and therefore escalated the situation unnecessarily and this created an environment that enabled Garner’s imminent death.

    Your statement above is spot on. Any True Rebel, any True Patriot, any True American perpetually questions authority and doesn’t submit to it automatically. It’s an unofficial system of checks and balances and if the citizenry neglects this very basic vigilant part of it, then the system is out of balance and in favor of those who seek to tyrannically oppress. Even Billy Idol knows it, and he’s British for Christ’s sake:

    Rebel Yell

  122. Theedrich December 11, 2014 at 7:25 am #

    There’s no need for all of this hyperventilation about some cop-resisting, overweight character with a heart condition dying because of a chance encounter with the PO-lice.  We should save it for when we start sliding down Hubbert’s peak in another few years.  Then the country will get a chance to discover what is really important.  The MSM, of course, will blame that too on Whitey.

  123. pkrugman December 11, 2014 at 8:22 am #

    Cold, P4W is not being rhetorical. He actually believes the killings of unarmed citizens should be protested regardless of race. So I provided 76 names and photos of real and continuing to be dead Black human beings.

    P4W is trying to evade the truth by saying this is not a race issue. He speaks of ALL victims, as if unarmed white children are being shot dead by police two seconds after arriving anywhere in the USA. As if police anywhere in the USA have left a white citizen lying in the street for over four hours.

    So I invited him to honor these conjured up white unarmed victims of lethal police violence by naming 76 of them who have been killed in the last 15 years. Those I named for P4W are not rhetorical. I provided photos and details for each dead Black person, to honor them.

    You and Q have been proven wrong. No fizzling out, no fart in the wind, no ignoring of the issue by JHK in his recent posts.

    • Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 8:52 am #

      What protests? I don’t see any. You know why? Because I don’t watch or follow the MSM and I don’t see any of the nonsense of which you speak in my community, which is quite “mixed” the way. As far as I’m concerned, it fizzled before it even started because there is nothing there to start. But I’ll be damned if that doesn’t stop the agenda-driven from beating dead horses. It’s still animal abuse even though that horse is long dead. You know, it’s bad enough poor Indians are imprisoned and exploited on “Reservations” by their version of the Judenrat, but you and yours also want to do the same thing to Blacks. That’s sickeningly cynical. You should be ashamed, but instead you’re smugly arrogant driving down Mainstreet in your self-righteous Volvo.

  124. FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 9:08 am #

    Sullivan: ‘From Now On, The U.S. Is A Human Rights Violator Of The First Order Under International Law, A Rogue State That Has Explicitly Tortured Innocent People And Never Held Anyone Legally Responsible’…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

    American people should demand a new International Nuremberg Tribunal.

  125. progress4what December 11, 2014 at 9:16 am #

    Good answers to pkrugs, cold. I asked him why it wouldn’t be better (more powerful, more effective, less divisive, etc) to focus on ALL questionable killings of unarmed suspects, regardless of race. He goes on multiple long Rants of Obfuscation, (RoO, I’d like to trademark that phrase) without ever answering the question – not even trying to answer the question, in fact. You’re right, it was a rhetorical question, to which the only possible answer is yes, without qualifications. Too bad krugs and his ilk can’t see that. Someday they will, if the US really does turn into a police state. By then it will be far to late to do any of us any good – even us Persons of No Color. What a sadly wasted opportunity this has been.

    And he didn’t even call me a racist. 🙁

  126. progress4what December 11, 2014 at 9:36 am #

    http://www.dondivamag.com/unarmed-white-male-killed-police-dallas/

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/267088/speedreads-why-isnt-the-media-covering-the-killing-of-an-unarmed-white-youth-by-a-black-police-officer

    Here are two to get you started, krugs. It is well documented that many more whites, armed and unarmed, are killed by police every year in raw numbers.

    All lives matter!

    • FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 9:45 am #

      “All lives matter!”

      Except for over 60,000 Ukrainians and Russians killed in Ukraine so far – since NY Times don’t write about them, they don’t exist.

      • Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 10:20 am #

        Don’t forget the Congolese — in their case, we’re talking millions and it’s all driven by the gold trade.

        The High Price of Gold

        • Ted Stosterone December 11, 2014 at 12:39 pm #

          This is why so many of us have a hard time getting motivated to take to the streets when a man, who just robbed a convenience store, is killed by a cop.

        • malthuss December 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

          How many people have been killed in Africa in the last 100 or 200 years?
          I can not find the information yet the media keeps telling us that
          ‘Black lives matter’.

      • malthuss December 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm #

        Uh no. Black lives do not matter [to politicians] but Black votes matter to them.

  127. BackRowHeckler December 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm #

    Next week I’d like to see JHK tackle what’s happening in the Oil Markets; i heard an ‘expert’ on CNBC state Petroleum might be headed down to $40 per barrel this coming spring.

    There are a lot of benefits in this cheaper energy but seems to be causing some problems too, like bringing down the Dow, also cancelled drilling contracts in Bakken and Eagle Ford. Another thing is there are countries whose whole economy is dependent on selling petroleum, and they might now become destabilized. Venezuela and Nigeria come to mind. We should worry that Russia, also facing sanctions, doesn’t get too unstable; with its nuclear arsenal modern weaponry that country could do alot of damage. I don’t believe the bullsh#t I read that Russia is weak, could never match up against NATO or the United States. I know at least 3 other times in the past 2 centuries when Russia was underestimated, to the everlasting regret of the French and the Germans.

    brh

    • FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

      You forgot the Swedes: Swedish under Charles XII had the most formidable army in Europe in 17 – 18 Century. Russians kicked their asses in Battle of Poltava in 1709.

      Most Russian analysts I read are convinced that felling oil prices and speculative naked short selling attacks on Ruble is the softening stage of coming hot war.

  128. BackRowHeckler December 11, 2014 at 12:48 pm #

    Well, we’ll being finding out soon who poured lighter fluid into the nose, mouth and throat of pretty 19 year old blond Jessica Chambers in N Miss, and set her on fire.

    I know, I know, Southern White Trash, who cares?

    I’m surmising ‘students’ won’t be doing any ‘die ins’ at Smith, Berkeley or Yale for the likes of Jessica Chambers.

    Its going to be interesting to see who killed her in such a brutal way, and what the motive was.

    brh

    • Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 1:43 pm #

      Many times in cases such as this the motive is near impossible to discern. The perp is usually a pathological liar that won’t admit to the crime let alone provide a motive. What was this guy’s motive, a Yale graduate, ironically? I never have trusted State Department employees. They’re worse than the CIA and NSA combined — a bunch of pathological, murderous communists.

      Is QuentinTarantino this freak’s bastard son?

    • malthuss December 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

      WHITE LIVES MATTER.

      but not to the news media.

  129. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

    I know at least 3 other times in the past 2 centuries when Russia was underestimated, to the everlasting regret of the French and the Germans.

    Is Russia a static proposition? Has nothing changed in 200 years? All this time has passed, and yet Russia is as Russia always was, but yet you and others at this space, and maybe at other spaces as well, lament the America of yore is no more. How come America can change and has changed, to the detriment in your opinion, yet Russia’s been frozen in time and remains the same unconquerable Russia it always was and will be?

    There are plenty of good, hard-working people in Ukraine brh, a majority I’d say, who hate Putin with a passion and want Russia out of their affairs. Are you implying they’re full of shit and should just suck it up and take it because it would be foolhardy to piss off the megalomaniac? If you seriously think Putin would use nuclear weapons, then there really is only one choice — he has to be incapacitated as soon as possible. Me, on the other hand, I don’t think Putin will use nuclear weapons nor his successors, so I don’t have to make or support that one choice. There are many paths to Rome, not just the irradiated one.

    • BackRowHeckler December 11, 2014 at 4:49 pm #

      I’m not really implying anything, Cole, except that a destabilized Russia, under Putin, could do a lot of damage if it set out to. They have an arsenal full of modern weaponry, including nuclear weapons, and if Russian leadership finds itself backed into a corner because of a collapsing Ruble, or diminishing oil revenues, or being crowded by NATO, they might lash out, maybe against Kiev, or Moldova, or us.

      I don’t really understand the Ukraine – Russia conflict; from my perspective they seem one and the same.

      brh

    • FincaInTheMountains December 11, 2014 at 5:19 pm #

      Are you implying they’re full of shit ?

      Yeap, that is exactly what they are full of.

      How come America can change and has changed, to the detriment in your opinion, yet Russia’s been frozen in time and remains the same unconquerable Russia it always was and will be?

      Nope, Russia is far from frozen in time, they’ve changed a lot, for instance, in the last 30 years I’ve been out of the country. But as they say, the more thing change, the more they stay the same and it is deep down in Russian character to kick ass of any would be occupiers, and now the majority of Russians view Americans as impudent would be occupiers who are trying to order everybody around.

      Under these circumstances, Americans could bring the price of oil and ruble to negative territory, Russians would just more strongly unite around Putin surviving on bread and water (and a little Smirnoff) just for the chance to kick American ass.

  130. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 3:28 pm #

    Here’s a taste of community policing South African style. I have no idea what this guy did, but no one deserves this fate. Michael Brown died instantly, in a second. No pain. This man was horrendously tortured and executed by “community policing.” Warning, the following is graphic. Watch it at your own risk, but it is telling. This is what you get without that Thin Blue Line. In South Africa, Michael Brown may not have been so lucky. He would have been beaten to a bloody pulp for twenty minutes or more and then burned alive.

    Black Lives Matter — Or Do They?

  131. Cold N. Holefield December 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    Under these circumstances, Americans could bring the price of oil and ruble to negative territory, Russians would just more strongly unite around Putin surviving on bread and water (and a little Smirnoff) just for the chance to kick American ass.

    Yeah right, as if. The Russians of the World War II mold defeated the Germans because Stalin was willing to sacrifice every last warm body, but not all Russians lined up to be cannon fodder. Many were forced into combat with a second line behind them with guns aimed at the their backs. Die or die, was the motto. I’d say fight or die, but so many died fighting with other Russians ready to shoot them dead if they didn’t that fight equaled die.

    Russia is a Potemkin village with nukes behind the facade and not much else. Get outside the urban areas of Moscow and St. Leningrad and it’s abysmal. Putin’s screwing over his provinces, but alright, I’ll take your challenge — let the crazy, drug-addled and drunk Russians of whom you speak try to kick some American ass and we’ll see what happens. In fact, send some over and we’ll arrange a sleep-over in South Chicago or Newark and see if they can kick some American ass. I’m thinking the Boyz In Da Hood will make mince meat out of your pasty, doughy Russians, but bring it on, we’ll put it on Pay-Per-View and make a bundle.

  132. progress4what December 11, 2014 at 7:52 pm #

    “Cold, P4W is not being rhetorical. He actually believes the killings of unarmed citizens should be protested regardless of race. So I provided 76 names and photos of real and continuing to be dead Black human beings…..” – pkrugs –

    PK, this is the most racist statement that has ever been made here on CFN, ever. That may sound like quite a charge, but I challenge anyone to provide a more nasty sentiment than the one you have expressed in these three short sentences. I do not believe anyone will. I do not believe anyone can.

    Strange thing is, far too many people will give you (and so many countless others) a pass on sh*t like this. Race relations in this country are at a place where they can get a whole lot worse. The sort of thinking demonstrated in these three lines of your post is the reason why.

    ==========================

    And here’s another death of yet another unarmed man. And, per your request rugs, this man happens to be white. Despite this flaw (sarc on/off) of whiteness, this man is really dead, and is really being grieved by friends and family.

    Except instead of telling protesters to “burn this bitch down,” this man’s father is actually trying to do something to stop policemen from killing unarmed young men. I wonder why the media, Al Sharpton, Pres. Obama, and the rest of their ilk – will not pick up this man’s son’s story and try to spread the message that all lives matter?

    Here’s an explanation of the legislation that this farther, Michael Bell, helped to get passed – so that other families (all races, even white there’s that sarc again) might be spared the pain that the death of his son at the hands of police caused:

    “Thorough investigation of every police killing by an outside and independent body, which would then be required to issue an official report on the findings of its investigation. A landmark piece of legislation doing exactly this was signed into law in the spring of this year by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican, suggesting that such legislation would have bipartisan support. The origin of the legislation, which was modeled on the approach that the military takes to investigations of plane crashes, was a relentless campaign by retired Air Force Lt. Col. Michael Bell, whose son, as he put it, was a “blond-haired, blue-eyed boy who was shot in the head while his hands were behind his back in handcuffs, being held down by another officer,” according to five eyewitnesses. Mr. Bell reports that he was unable to find a single case of a police shooting deemed “unjustified” in the 129 years since police departments in Wisconsin were founded in 1885.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerome-karabel/the-other-capital-punishment_b_6301928.html

    Really vile racism and hate you’ve shown this time, pkrugman.
    You have outdone yourself. I didn’t think that was possible.
    Thanks for showing us what it looks like, I suppose.

  133. progress4what December 11, 2014 at 8:08 pm #

    oops
    father

  134. Pucker December 11, 2014 at 8:16 pm #

    Who was the Western philosopher who was always bitch’n about “Inauthenticity”, i.e., that most people and things are fake, i.e., “Inauthentic”? Was he Sartre?

  135. progress4what December 11, 2014 at 8:27 pm #

    Pkrugman is perfect representation of something awful. But he’s certainly not an outlier. Look at these students @ Smith:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/11/smith-college-president-kathleen-mccartney-apologizes-saying-all-lives-matter

    “A college president was forced to apologize after students called her out for writing in a mass email that “all lives matter.”
    Students at Smith College in Massachusetts took offense to Kathleen McCartney not using the phrase “black lives matter” when she sent the email as a show of support for protests against the grand jury decisions in Ferguson and New York City.

    Many students then chastised McCartney on social media. One student told the The Daily Hampshire Gazette that “it felt like she was invalidating the experience of black lives,” while another said McCartney had “minimized the anti-blackness of this current situation.”

    Wow. The unthinking and illogical hate is almost palpable.

    • nsa December 11, 2014 at 9:06 pm #

      Hey Prog,
      Krugie and Beanie are oddly endearing…….cartoonish two dimensional versions of the early 1900s lefties…..except the wobblies actually had jobs and worked for a living.

  136. Pucker December 11, 2014 at 8:27 pm #

    Why-the-F..ck am I celebrating Christmas? It’s Fake and a method of mass mind control. It’s not Real.

  137. Buck Stud December 11, 2014 at 11:02 pm #

    Along a similar vein I was shouted down on FB the other day for suggesting that “gentrification” harms “all types of people” and not only those of “minority” status. I asserted that the art types who first enter less desirable locales and set up shop are often the first one’s run out when landlords and speculators raise the rents once the predictable yuppie invasion begins to multiply in numbers.

    I also mentioned that all of the new and frigid ‘hi-tech’ architecture that is replacing most of the older homes in many neighborhoods is not a racially motivated slap in the face of Latino culture (or at least not intentionally; and BTW, many “whites” [that is what I was disparagingly referred to as by other commentators] also find this soulless architecture repugnant) but has actually been in the planning/design pipeline for quite a number of decades; in fact, before many of the Latino families arrived in this particular neighborhood now rapidly being transformed by escalating real estate prices and the corresponding influx of young and predominantly white professionals. I pointed to a You Tube Jetson’s/technology clip along with some actual current architectural examples that eerily manifest the old cartoon’s vision as a bit of chuckling evidence. In other words, or so I tried to emphasize, gentrification is not simply a racial dynamic.

    But others weren’t having my point of view and nothing I wrote seemed to penetrate a certain type of vitriolic hostility not open to a slightly different narrative.

    I mention this because it all seems related in terms of current race dynamics. Minds are clenching into fists and being projected like full force punches that look neither left nor right but only straight ahead; and like the tip of a spear or the point of a bullet, smaller and smaller in focus and condensed on arrival in order to destroy the other point of view with the most inflexible and rigid impact.

    Put another way, that old herd mentality seems eager to cast aside the higher mind altogether and let fists and worse do the talking– that’s how palpable the anger feels to me in too many instances.

  138. Q. Shtik December 11, 2014 at 11:04 pm #

    once this series of [looting’s] ends. – Malthuss

    ===============

    lootings

    Eliminate the apostrophe. It’s plural, not possessive.

  139. pkrugman December 11, 2014 at 11:45 pm #

    Really vile racism and hate you’ve shown this time, pkrugman.
    You have outdone yourself. I didn’t think that was possible.” — P4W

    Thank you, P4W. You have provided a paucity of evidence of unarmed whites being killed compared to the avalanche of evidence I have provided. I still think your use of ALL is a way of minimizing and masking the imbalance which is due to racist police abusing their power.

    But, thanks to your criticism, I have changed my sentiments. I went overboard and I was wrong to not express my sadness at the loss sustained by the few white families you mentioned. I now also protest the abuse of police power that led to loss of loved ones in those white families. Black lives matter. White lives matter just as much.

    Thank you for engaging me and helping me to see the error of my own racism.

    • Q. Shtik December 12, 2014 at 12:40 am #

      I now also protest the abuse of police power that led to loss of loved ones in those white families. Black lives matter. White lives matter just as much.

      Thank you for engaging me and helping me to see the error of my own racism. – Krug

      =============

      Ya ever get the feeling that no matter how pretty the words Krug is pulling our leg?

  140. FincaInTheMountains December 12, 2014 at 4:19 am #

    War-mongering Senate upping the steaks in US-Russian confrontation by designating Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova as major US non-NATO allies

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2828

  141. FincaInTheMountains December 12, 2014 at 4:33 am #

    “Yeah right, as if. The Russians of the World War II mold defeated the Germans because Stalin was willing to sacrifice every last warm body, but not all Russians lined up to be cannon fodder. Many were forced into combat with a second line behind them with guns aimed at the their backs. Die or die, was the motto. I’d say fight or die, but so many died fighting with other Russians ready to shoot them dead if they didn’t that fight equaled die.” Cold

    Cold, that such an obvious BS by Western habitual anti-Russian propaganda.

    Just think logically for a minute. Could you really win a major war with powerful enemy by having your army split into two groups of armed men shooting at each other?

    It took a lot of dedication on behalf of Russian people to win anti-Nazi war in Europe with US, GB as allies, so, please, don’t insult us.

  142. FincaInTheMountains December 12, 2014 at 5:00 am #

    Academic Glaziev: US do not have a chance to win competition with China – they need a major war in Europe

    We are experiencing a serious structural crisis in the global economy. It is associated with the change of technological structures, which is implemented through the arms race, militarization, and war. In 70s-80s of the last century, this war was cold in nature. US by starting arms race in space, created the core information and communication technological order. It grew up with a steady rate of 25% per year – until recently – generated the growth of the economy and provided Americans with technological superiority. Prior to this, a similar structural transformation occurred in the 1930s – through the militarization of the leading European countries – and turned into a nightmare of WWII. Now we find ourselves again in about the same situation.

    System of institutions, which has formed in China and before that, was formed in Japan and Korea, in their effectiveness and ways of organizing human activity is much more efficient than the American system of oligarchic capitalism, which is now destroying huge volumes of capital through financial pyramids. The transition from one age-old cycle of wealth accumulation to another is always historically accompanied by war. Counties on the rise in current cycle are trying not to participate in any war. It gives them the opportunity to break through. As a rule, the war takes place between the old hegemon and the leader of some part of the world periphery. In the first centuries of the cycle of wealth accumulation, in the XVII-XVIII centuries, Spain was at war with England, and as a result Holland became a leader. In the second (XIX century) – the era of the Napoleonic wars, a blow to Russia and the rise of England. The third cycle – the twentieth century: two world wars, major losses on Germany and Russia side, the United States have risen to the top.

    We now are witnessing same geopolitical scenario. Americans need a war to keep their hegemony in the world. Chance of winning the competition with China they do not have. US ruling elite are increasing escalation of political tensions, traditionally relying on the war in Europe, which allowed America to become a superpower. The two world wars led to flow of capital, technology, brain drain from Europe to the US and became the driving force lifting of American capitalism. Walking along the traditional path, Americans are sponsoring Ukrainian Nazis and anti-Russian terrorist regime in Ukraine.

  143. Cold N. Holefield December 12, 2014 at 6:50 am #

    It took a lot of dedication on behalf of Russian people to win anti-Nazi war in Europe with US, GB as allies, so, please, don’t insult us.

    Nazi Germany failed against Russia because it fought on multiple fronts. If its focus was Russia and Russia only, it would have won. Hitler took it too lightly, at least initially, and his staff, from the start, was never keen on the idea of invading Russia so they were never fully mentally and emotionally on board and committed until it was too late. With that being said, Nazi Germany nearly succeeded if not for Stalin’s commitment to sacrificing every last Russian man, woman and child as sandbags to hold back the Nazi Tsunami. Stalin had nearly thrown in the towel. He quite literally had his bags packed and was ready to fly the coop — but Odin said “no, not now — the time is not yet right” and threw Hitler under the bus for the imposter he was.

    Speaking of Tsunami, the Japanese are often cited for their suicidal fight to the last man mentality, but the Japanese were willing to do this by and large because of their cultural devotion to the emperor who for them was a living breathing God. There was no such devotion to Stalin and Russia, there was only fear on the part of the Russian people. Sure, there were more than a few who fought out of hatred for the Nazis but there were also more than a few who fought, and died, out of fear of Stalin.

    FDR said “there is nothing to fear but fear itself” and Stalin said “there is nothing to fear but Stalin himself.” Big difference. The former is empowering while the latter is devastating. We see, once again, the defeated Russian people choose and cling to a Strong Man to fear. They live to be bridled and abused by tyrants. If Russia cannot be defeated it’s only because they’re already defeated, so yeah, I guess you’re right, the more things change in Russia the more they stay the same.

    The war between Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Russia was always going to be hard-fought – but could anyone have predicted the scale of the destruction caused by this ill-considered attack?

    Stalin and Hitler were together responsible for the leitmotiv of ruthless brutality that prevailed throughout the hostilities between Russia and Germany. During the Battle of Moscow, in which 8,000 Soviet citizens were executed for perceived cowardice, the Russian armies were forced to stand their ground, despite perishingly cold conditions of 43 degrees below freezing.

    To prevent his soldiers deserting the front line around the capital, Stalin ordered special ‘blocking detachments’ to shoot all deserters. The Soviet leadership also instructed Soviet partisans operating in the countryside to kill anyone whom they believed was disloyal. This resulted in an effective carte blanche for partisans to abuse their power and extract whatever they wanted from helpless villagers.

    A report from one partisan division shows that rape, killings and beatings were commonplace. To make villagers’ lives still more hellish, in some areas, particularly the occupied Ukraine, nationalist partisans (as opposed to Soviet partisans), who were bent on freedom from the Soviet regime, also started up their own brutal operations in the countryside. Villagers were now faced with violence from three different fighting forces.

    • FincaInTheMountains December 12, 2014 at 7:49 am #

      Thanks a lot, Cold. So, my grand-dad and dad fought the Nazis out of shear fear of Stalin. How come I never realized that?!

      • Cold N. Holefield December 12, 2014 at 8:51 am #

        Perhaps THEY didn’t, but many did. Either way, your grandfather and father had the dreaded and unenviable fate of having to pick their poison. Picking the poison that was Stalin is not something worthy of accolades, applause or commemoration.

  144. BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 8:23 am #

    What I can’t figure out is how was oil propped up near $100 per barrel for so long to begin with?

    and how did change come so radically in just 5 or 6 months? What’s different now from last spring and summer?

    brh

    • FincaInTheMountains December 12, 2014 at 8:41 am #

      Brh, take a look at the oil price charts of 2008:

      http://www.forecast-chart.com/chart-crude-oil.html

      And take note how the price went down around August/September.

      What happened in August 2008? American-induced Georgian provocation and response by the Russian army.

      All commodities prices, gold, oil are being manipulated by derivatives, in the hand of Anglo American elite.

      • BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 12:36 pm #

        Analyst being interviewed by Jim Cramer on CNBC about an hour ago was making almost the same point.

  145. Cold N. Holefield December 12, 2014 at 10:04 am #

    Ya ever get the feeling that no matter how pretty the words Krug is pulling our leg?

    Without a doubt, although I’d say it’s More Than A Feeling.

    When I’m tired and thinking Cold
    I hide in my music, forget the day
    and dream of a great Russian leader I used to know
    I closed my eyes and he slipped away
    He slipped away

  146. progress4what December 12, 2014 at 10:42 am #

    “In other words, or so I tried to emphasize, gentrification is not simply a racial dynamic.
    But others weren’t having my point of view and nothing I wrote seemed to penetrate a certain type of vitriolic hostility not open to a slightly different narrative.” – buck –

    That’s interesting, buck. I’m seeing it, also. My interpretation is that the ice is cracking right now, forcing some social realignments of things that have been in place since the 1960’s, and some on the traditional racial “left” are not reacting pleasantly.

    Will the ice continue to crack and melt into a new smoother landscape that benefits all in the US? That’s what the woman in this video is arguing for, in her own spirited manner.
    http://youtu.be/ng6uMw6Xgwk

    Or will the ice refreeze into some more jagged and dangerous arrangement. That seems to be what some highly placed figures in the US govt., and some very well funded vested interests. are pushing us toward.

    • Q. Shtik December 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm #

      OK Prog, enough with the ice metaphor already.

  147. Buck Stud December 12, 2014 at 10:58 am #

    I wonder if all the mid term GOP voters now realize their vote was essentially a vote for more Wall Street regulation now that Wall Street has been rewarded with further deregulation –derivatives etc–that will make a 2008 tax payer funded repeat even more probable. Of course, it was just the GOP who voted for it in the spending bill but they did insert/attach it to the budget.

    And as far as I’m concerned, a good day for Jamie Dimon et al is probably a bad day for Mainstreet America. But Dimon was the one smiling yesterday; he and his GOP cohorts who lead the way for more Wall Street deregulation. But then again, all of the GOP foot soldiers who celebrated the mid terms should be smiling too, because hey, if Dimon is smiling it must be a good day for them too.

    Too bad Elizabeth Warren has such a hysterical, spastic physical presentation because her message is truly relevant and important. Oh well:

    http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=680

    • Buck Stud December 12, 2014 at 10:58 am #

      *DEREGULATION*

      • BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 11:57 am #

        Buck Jamie Diamond was a big supporter of President Obama back in ’08, indeed, was a personal friend.

        Most of Wall Street, along with the wealthiest counties in the US, back Obama and the Democrats, as they’ll back Clonton in ’16.

        brh

        • Buck Stud December 12, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

          BRH,

          I’m not going to defend President Obama from charges of Wall Street nepotism etc; he has been silent and in fact will sign this bill. But the GOP, the party that virulently opposes tax and spend policies inserted a stipulation that cements taxpayer bailout of Wall Street deal gone bad..to me that hypocrisy is every bit as bad as Obama’s silence. From the Warren link:

          “House Republican leaders are moving quickly to try to jam this bill through today before their own members have had a chance to digest this Wall Street bailout provision. The “Fact Sheet” that Republican appropriators sent around to their members explaining the provision doesn’t even describe it accurately. According to the Fact Sheet, the provision in question would “protect farmers and other commodity producers from having to put down excessive collateral to get a loan, expand their businesses, and hedge their production.” Whatever you think about the bill, that description is wrong. In fact, it applies to yet another Wall Street reform rollback that Republicans are pushing right now, which is attached to a completely different bill.

          I don’t know if Republican leaders in the House are deliberately trying to confuse their members into voting for a government bailout program, or whether they just can’t keep straight all of their efforts to gut financial reform. Republican leaders are about to bring this bill up for a vote. So here’s the bottom line: a vote for this bill is a vote for future taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street. When the next bailout comes, a lot of people will look back at this vote to see who is responsible for putting the government back on the hook to bail out Wall Street.

          To Republican leaders in the House, I would ask this. You say you’re against bailouts to Wall Street. I’ve heard you say that again and again for five years. So why in the world are you spending your time and energy fighting for a provision, written by Citigroup lobbyists, that would increase the chance of future bailouts? Why, in the last minute as you head out the door and a spending bill must be passed, are you making it a priority to do Wall Street’s bidding? Who do you work for-Wall Street or the American people?”

          • BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

            You’re probably correct on all points, Buck.

            There’s so much other stuff going on, here and overseas, I haven’t even thought about the budge machinizations in Washington DC. Not that what I think about it matters anyway.

            brh

        • malthuss December 12, 2014 at 3:46 pm #

          When I mentioned to an MIT trained ultra leftist that ‘Barry got 3 or 4 times as much gravy from Wall Street than Mc Cain did’,
          all the leftist loon did was say ‘No he didnt’.

    • stelmosfire December 12, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

      My US Senator, Lizzie Warren, should take her sourpuss mug on a nice junket to the Caribbean with Pelosi, Feinstein, and Reid! My dime. If I see her mug on TV one more time I will stab myself in the eye with a sharp stick. Warren claims to be a supporter of the little man when in fact she is a multi-millionaire corporate lawyer. Of course most of the a-holes in DC are .

      • stelmosfire December 12, 2014 at 12:37 pm #

        Oh , I forgot she claims to be a Native American. That would make me a Venusian!!!!! Just like your pal Obama, what is he maybe 10% African?

  148. pkrugman December 12, 2014 at 11:54 am #

    Buck, Citi wrote the legislation and the Republicans slipped it into the bill before any opposition could develop. Once again this does seem to indicate there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans and you get what the majority of voters vote for.

    Like Alan Grayson said, capitalism seems to have a death wish… and the GOP is the enabler. I expect a repeat of 2008, but of course cannot say when.

    If this is not JHK’s topic Monday, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

    • stelmosfire December 12, 2014 at 12:33 pm #

      Krugs, I am from MA and this state let the horses out of the barn years ago. I’m sick of paying for it. The libs gave it away. Say what you want about Romney care but it seems to work better than Barack’s ACA. I pay 6 bill’s a month and have big deductibles. Still I am not saddled with unaffordable costs.

      • BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 12:39 pm #

        Thats pretty expensive insurance, Rip.

        You didn’t get coverage in your retirement package?

        brh

  149. Cold N. Holefield December 12, 2014 at 12:51 pm #

    If this is not JHK’s topic Monday, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.

    What a racist thing to say. Didn’t you get the memo from your colleagues at the DNC headquarters? Going forward, there must never be any mention of sub-human Simiformes when discussing politics. It’s politically incorrect and obvious you are referring to Black politicians — especially our esteemed Black president with the White marshmallow center. Try another species next time but not reptiles because of the David Icke stigma.

  150. alphie December 12, 2014 at 1:06 pm #

    After the first paragraph I’m saying ‘right on Jim’, but then you remind us that black people can be bad too. Of course we know that. In every group of people there are the good and the bad, the smart and the stupid, the cold hearted and the compassionate. You ask me none are innocent. We’re all implicated. Whether we participate directly in the harming of others or just espouse certain views that allow us to remain silent or worse cheer on the downward vitriolic spiral, we need look no further than our own heart for reasons why things are the way they are

    • Janos Skorenzy December 12, 2014 at 10:58 pm #

      Yes as the Bible said, the heart is corrupt above all things. And it doesn’t help to mix different kinds of people together. That only bring out the worst in people.

      The Black Race does produce an incredible percentage of low lifes though. They really aren’t the building blocks of any civilization taken as a whole. Certainly not ours.

  151. progress4what December 12, 2014 at 1:34 pm #

    “But, thanks to your criticism, I have changed my sentiments. I went overboard and I was wrong to not express my sadness at the loss sustained by the few white families you mentioned. I now also protest the abuse of police power that led to loss of loved ones in those white families. Black lives matter. White lives matter just as much.”
    – pkrugman –

    Well, thanks for the honesty, krugs. Now you and I could approach all those students at Smith and help them understand, as well, and we’d be moving this country to a better place.

    Those still defiantly on the “only Black lives matter” side of this question need to keep a couple of things in mind that may lead them to such racist extremism.

    For example, the ease with you found the “list of 76 unarmed black men killed by police,” is testament to the meticulous record keeping of the SCLC et al. There are no such lists for “unarmed white men killed by police,” Such lists simply do not exist, even though, in total numbers, more whites than blacks are killed by police – year after year, decade after decade.

    So I’ll encourage you to deepen your understanding a little further to recognize the unconscious bias expressed when you say, “the few white families.” “Few,” you say?

    FEW??? It’s not a few, it’s a large number, likely to be a number larger than “76,” given the same time span and racial qualifiers and stipulations. But the raw number should not matter, krugs, and the race(s) of those killed should not matter. One (1) preventable death is too many.

    And I know that statistics such as these should also be examined in terms of population numbers, socioeconomics, etc. Manipulation of statistics is one of the ways that racial extremists keep the country perennially churned up along racial lines. It’s past time for the churning to stop.

    Bottom line? All lives matter.
    If we can’t get some of those protesters and true believers, somewhere, to change their chants and their minds to reflect this, then nothing’s ever gonna’ change, except to get worse.

    • stelmosfire December 12, 2014 at 2:13 pm #

      Hey Marlin, contrary to what people believe the civil servant does not have great benefits. No dental, no SS, sure I get ins. but I pay. Of course in CA. They have a golden plan. If I need Open heart I would be covered after the deductible. Mass health folks get 3 dollar scrips. my wifes are like 50 I don’t get why people think the public servants get such a good deal, except of course the congress but we all know they are so special and a privileged group of educated a##holes. I pay plenty. and hardly ever use it except for the one time with heart on the job. And that was because of the heart-lung-cancer bill.

    • stelmosfire December 12, 2014 at 2:26 pm #

      Howdy P4W , when you say Smith do you refer to Smith in NOHO, MA? I am a stones throw from there. Of course a black life matters. Every life matters. In Vermont or any inner city OD’s are out of control. Does that raise an eyebrow? Hardly newsworthy. You should see the libs and rainbow coalition in play up there. Parades and the whole cartoon show. Believe me I have nothing against other peoples beliefs. To each his own. Live and let live, that’s my motto. Just don’t get in my face and preach beliefs on me, which is what MA or basically NE is all about. We started this thing called America with basic freedoms. Lets try to keep it this way.

      • BackRowHeckler December 12, 2014 at 3:08 pm #

        Another week or two all this happy bullsh-t, Hands up don’t shoot, black lives matter, I can’t breath, will be over and forgotten. Bad weather in SF has already ended it out there. Like I said before, Garner, with 35 prior arrests, and Brown, a common street thug, made pretty piss poor martyrs to begin with. How many people in America actually give a sh#t about all this anyway? People with jobs, with no axe to grind, not collecting welfare, with families to take care of could care less. One thing it has done — and i see it around here even with my Lib New England neighbors — is lower the opinion whites have for urban blacks.

        Check out the video in Chicago news today of a gang of black ‘youths’ beating up an elderly white man on a commuter train. And the man police brought in for setting the young blond girl on fire in Mississippi, dousing her with charcoal lighter fluid, including down her throat and up her nose, burning her whole body ‘except the soles of her feet’, well, he’s black too. You have to ask, how much can whitey take?

        • alphie December 12, 2014 at 3:57 pm #

          how much can whitey take? quite a bit. Jeffrey Dahmer took 17 lives. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols took 168 lives. Jim Jones is responsible for the deaths of 909 people at Jonestown. Countless child abductions by white males. Oh and don’t want to leave out George W., he invaded Iraq and killed thousands of civilians and never found so much as a firecracker(pardon the pun). I’ve just scratched the surface. So see it turns out whitey can take quite a bit if you let him.

          • stelmosfire December 13, 2014 at 4:01 pm #

            Maybe Idi Amin should be on your list , how about Papa Doc, does Pol Pot ring a bell? Really your generalizations are boring. Jeffrey Dahmer, was certainly a psycho but not in the same league with these madmen. Yea we had Stalin, Hitler,and a whole bunch of other madmen. Don’t leave out Lord Jeffrey Amherst , such a nice fellow they named a city after him. “I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard’s Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermin.” Spoken like a fine English gentleman.

    • malthuss December 12, 2014 at 3:52 pm #

      ‘SCLC’. You meant SPLC.

      The rich ‘poverty center’.

  152. johngalt333 December 12, 2014 at 2:08 pm #

    “Those still defiantly on the “only Black lives matter” side of this question…” –P4W

    The protests are of deaths of Blacks by police and that is why the signs say “Black lives matter” … I have not seen single sign saying ONLY Black lives matter. In the mind of a racist I suppose that is the interpretation a racist would give.

    Perhaps someday whites will receive equal attention when whites decide to protest police killings of unarmed white children (if that happens). It would be equally wrong for Black racists to then assume ONLY white lives matter.

    • Ted Stosterone December 12, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

      Doesn’t specifically saying “black lives” suggest it’s about “only black lives”? Certainly you know perfectly well that if white people took the street to protest high number of black on white crimes they’d be mocked, labeled racists, and or be ignored by the MSM.

      And you seem to be implying cops are slaughtering “unarmed black children.” Who are referring to? Whether or not the cops acted appropriately, the three incidents in the news involved a kid who appeared armed, an 18-year-old thug who’d just robbed a convenience store, and a decidedly un-childlike cigarette salesman.

    • malthuss December 12, 2014 at 3:50 pm #

      Liars like you disgust me.

      http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/10/a-college-president-had-to-apologize-for

  153. Therian December 12, 2014 at 5:17 pm #

    I like Jim’s astute observation that there can be disputes where neither party is virtuous. Clearly, the black community in America is just incredibly out of hand but equally clearly is the increasing militarization of the police force.

    I have yet another slant on things from living in the SF Bay Area. I’ve observed phenomena there which suggest that there’s a form of exceptionalism for plutocrats. Let’s say that a bunch of college kids have a rowdy party in a tony neighborhood. You know that the cops are going to put the kibosh on that toot de suite.

    On the other hand, when Marissa Mayer of Yahoo has HER rowdy parties in a very quiet Palo Alto neighborhood she holds the entire neighborhood hostage for four days each and every time. Larry Ellison of Oracle wanted the City of San Jose to exempt him from noise ordinances when he wanted to land his Gulfstream Jets at 4:30 a.m..

    It has become very obvious in Silicon Valley that very small “crimes” are harshly punished if you’re an ordinary Joe or, God forbid, have run into hard times. There’s an entirely different set of rules for the well-connected. The REAL “Civil War” that might develop as the USA becomes like Mexico (then thousand rich families and the rest considered the rabble) i.e., rich versus poor perhaps even MORE than white versus black.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 12, 2014 at 10:55 pm #

      Quite true. The racial question is real, but it has been hijacked by the Elite for their own purposes, the foremost being hiding the vast inequalities of class.

  154. MisterDarling December 12, 2014 at 5:26 pm #

    And…

    a story for people with longer-term priorities:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-12/financialized-oil-dominoes-are-toppling

    Take-away para:

    “Oil is not just something that is refined into fuel–it is capital, collateral, debt and risk. In other words, it is intrinsically financial. As I noted in The Oil-Drenched Black Swan, Part 2: The Financialization of Oil, oil has been financialized to the point that few outside the industry understand the dominoes that are currently toppling.”

    So J H K’s model holds. Peak oil (starting in 2005) led to a collapse in finance, which – left untreated – led to a collapse in demand, which led to a collapse in fuel prices… And now we are well on our way down the deflationary ‘cork-screw’. Have fun with that, sugar-dumplings.

    Regarding the wide-angle energy-market prospectus:

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Ten-Reasons-Why-A-Sustained-Drop-In-Oil-Prices-Could-Be-Catastrophic.html

    Check out the ‘Tvyberg Estimate’ near the end of the article. As the masks get pulled off, we start to see estimates that look like reality.

    Happy Friday, ‘Klooster-Fjuksters’!

  155. MisterDarling December 12, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

    Happy Friday Volodya,

    re | “The trouble was that Garner wasn’t too big to jail. No, those would be Wall Street bankers. You see, you have to let Wall Streeters keep committing crimes that annihilate economies. You have to. There’s no other choice. Because otherwise the economy will be annihilated if you don’t let them annihilate it. Or something. I’m not sure about the logic.”-v.

    Actually, I think that you have a perfect grasp of the ‘logic’ involved there.

    Cheers!

    • volodya December 13, 2014 at 9:41 am #

      whew, I was worried I was missing something.

  156. Q. Shtik December 12, 2014 at 10:18 pm #

    despite perishingly cold conditions of 43 degrees below freezing. – Cold

    ==============

    Assuming we’re talking Fahrenheit that would be -11 degrees. Hell, I saw it stay below zero for weeks on end in Duluth, MN and one day it was minus 38.

    • stelmosfire December 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm #

      -38 F, sheet Q I would be in my underwear!!!

      http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/zmw:00000.1.24959

    • stelmosfire December 13, 2014 at 1:21 pm #

      Q, I forgot to mention. I scaled Denali bareassed in January with nothing but sneakers and a can of Campbell’s soup! !!!! Man I am an ass. I was lucky to live! Of course The Survivor man was with me and had his Swiss army knife to open the soup! The world is a mess ! You gotta laugh or you will cry!

  157. Q. Shtik December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm #

    War-mongering Senate upping the [steaks] in US-Russian confrontation – Finca

    =================

    If you eat several T-bones, drink a lot of booze, and tickle your throat with a feather you will be “upping the steaks.”

  158. Janos Skorenzy December 12, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

    Some are still fighting the good fight. Obama isn’t really the president after all. Not lawfully. And none of his laws should be considered binding.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/12/sheriff-joe-arpaio-draws-first-blood-obamas-executive-amnesty/

    • Buck Stud December 13, 2014 at 12:12 am #

      As the song goes, why am I laughing; this ain’t funny. And yet I found myself chuckling at this from your posted link:

      “Law enforcement officers have also been told to begin “immediately” identifying illegal aliens who could benefit from Obama’s unlawful amnesty policies.”

      So now law enforcement is recruiting potential new American citizens?

      Come on Janos, have a belly laugh; this is straight out of the Twilight Zone.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 13, 2014 at 6:32 am #

        Yes I can see the macabre humor of it intellectually. But the tragedy of it all wont let me laugh. I do admit to considerable schadenfreude when Liberals get their comeuppance from their minority pets. It doesn’t make the tragedy go away – just a deep satisfaction that justice is coming for the traitors and I will live to see some of it.

        • Buck Stud December 13, 2014 at 10:24 am #

          ” I do admit to considerable schadenfreude when Liberals get their comeuppance from their minority pets.”

          You mean like that buffoon who was knocked out with a hammer in the demonstration march? Egalitarian Pretense meet Common Sense 101. Even I must admit there is no nobility in about marching with those who despise you and who will, in fact, do serious bodily harm on the slightest provocation.

          IOW, nothing like a potentially devastating brain injury to rattle illusions and belief systems.

          But traitors? To whom? The Great White Power Structure who just rewarded Wall Street more taxpayer funded bailout insurance with even more to come once the GOP takes over in the next session? These people–your precious White Overlords– are deserving of the type of loyalty that labels dissenters as “traitors”?

          The truth of the matter is one cannot be a traitor to those who never deserved respect and loyalty in the first place. And yet you keep on voting for your GOP and citing that fat blowhard Rush. You hate blacks so much that you look the other way when pulling the lever for The Great White Power Structure that lubes you up at election time only to fuck you in the ass come bailout time.

          But hey, a real White Man has to take his “deep satisfaction” any way he can get it, tears of a clown in the aftermath.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 14, 2014 at 4:06 am #

            Traitors to what? To the American Nation, People, Western Culture, and the White Race. Is that enough for you? Or is all that just corruption in your little red book? If so, you’re a Traitor to by default. As the Bible says, the people perish for lack of vision. You mind was twisted by evil scriptures like “A People’s History of the United States” and you can’t help but hope for us to be tormented and destroyed.

            It’s certainly not all your fault – no more than an abused dog can be blamed for being vicious. But a human being is called to take responsibility, thus you cannot be let off the hook so easily.

  159. FincaInTheMountains December 13, 2014 at 4:39 am #

    Seedlings of American democracy

    A special group in the US Senate has been working on a report on torture in the CIA for a few years, following the instructions of President Barack Obama. The notion was purely American – romantically motivated and ill-conceived. His romanticism was in the fact that the President called on to make a story about torture “transparent” with no understanding of the consequences of the emergence of this report. As a result, the “transparency” was not achieved. The authorities have decided to publish only 500 of the 6,000 pages of the report, so as not to shock the American citizens. However, these 500 pages forced human rights defenders to cry out: “Lord, what is this? Where the CIA got Gestapo torture chambers? ”

    It turns out that the suspects were drowned in barrels of water, so that their bones in tied hands and feet were broken out of fear-induced stress in muscles. They were beaten, frozen in cold rooms, threatened with sexual violence, kept awake for several days, subjected to mock executions and much more, what is better not to talk about.

    More, the journalists have sniffed out two gruesome details. First, a list of Torture techniques that was announced is not complete. For example, accession to the genitals of electrical contacts and immurement in the wall were not listed. And even that’s not all.

    According to rumors, there are even more interesting methods of intimidation, describing of which is totally unacceptable. Second, torture was no exception to the rule; they are included in the institutionalized operational list of procedures called “Enhanced interrogation techniques.” They have revealed the result of fertilization of the US Constitution with a syndrome of violence, organically inherent in American society since the days of slavery in America.

    Do not be surprised if in the classified section of the report will find suspected terrorists scalped by CIA – following the example of how they once scalped Redskins for refusing to undergo democratization process.

    However, America would not be America if the CIA torture masters were just breaking the law. It turns out that they did not, as the prohibition on torture applies only to the United States. And if you strip off the skin of a person outside of the most democratic country in the world – then please, go ahead, this is not prohibited.

    The CIA has a specially equipped aircraft flying in neutral airspace, the ships in international waters and secret prisons on the Allies territory, in Poland and Lithuania for example. In Poland the torture-chambers were hidden at a military airfield, and in Lithuania the same facility was disguised as a horse-riding school. Those are besides the still running Guantanamo Bay, which President Obama still cannot shut down.

    And in general, the report states that 54 countries have participated in the American program of torture, democratic countries that borrowed seedlings of American Democracy.

    http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2014/12/10/cvety-amerikanskoj-demokratii-30846.html

  160. FincaInTheMountains December 13, 2014 at 6:31 am #

    Flash Crash of 2010 – Unintended Result of Anglo-American attack on the euro

    The stage for the crisis was set in May 2010 when the Anglo-American attack on the euro, designed to provoke a panic crash of that currency, broke down — partly due to German self-defense, partly because of Chinese intervention, and partly because a high-frequency attack on the euro boomeranged against the Dow in the infamous “flash crash” of May 6. Since then, the euro has been steadily gaining ground, while the US dollar has lost about 13% of its value since mid-June. The forces of depression, represented by $1.5 quadrillion of kited, toxic, and bankrupt derivatives centered on New York, have been re-asserting themselves against the battered US greenback.

    If smashing the euro was one prong of the Anglo-American game plan, then driving the Chinese renminbi up into the stratosphere was the other prong of an ongoing attempt by London and New York to export a world depression by beggaring their leading rivals in Frankfurt and Beijing. The attack on China had been spearheaded by the feckless Tiny Tim Geithner, so it is not surprising that the Chinese have largely ignored US demands, limiting the rise of the renminbi to just a couple of percentage points since the last bilateral confrontation in June.

    http://tarpley.net/2010/10/13/at-the-imf-japan-korea-brazil-thailand-rebel-against-globalized-hot-money/

    Is yesterday crash of DOW an unintended result of Anglo-American attack on the Oil price? Boys are loosing control of their toys.

  161. Cold N. Holefield December 13, 2014 at 10:53 am #