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No Mo’ PoMo?

     Whenever the Federal Reserve wants to tweak the dials of the economy — or pretend that it can — it turns first to its sock puppet at The Wall Street Journal, John Hilsenrath, and “leaks” a rumor of policy change (here). They like to do this late on Fridays when financial markets are about to close, so that market players will have a whole weekend to ponder the Fed’s actions like medieval viziers reading goat entrails.
     Last Friday’s puddle of steaming guts was a supposed preview of the Fed’s “exit strategy” from its reckless policy of “quantitative easing” or “money” creation (or “liquidity,” if you like). In other words, they supposedly intend to stop juicing the financial markets with fake wealth, i.e. capital not accumulated from real productive activity, but just fictively created on computer hard drives. For the past year they have been doing this to the tune of $85 billion a month, “buying” US Treasury bonds and bills and an assortment of miscellaneous securities (mostly trash that can’t be pawned off on anyone else) through their so-called “primary dealer” bank cohorts, the too-big-to-fail usual suspects, who “earn” hefty transaction fees in the process of conveying all these pixels from Point A to Point B. These interventions are called Permanent Open Market Operations, or PoMo.
The theory all along has been that this $85 billion a month would seep down to Main Street to provoke spending (increasing the “velocity of money) and therefore “jump start” the economy. The theory has proven itself to be complete horseshit, of course. All it has done is suppress interest rates on bonds, depriving old people of income off their savings by so doing. It also artificially jacked up reckless lending on loans for houses, cars, and college degrees, juiced the share price of stocks, and boosted food prices. Meanwhile, an increasingly former middle class languishes in a purgatory of foreclosure, penury, and desperation. The Fed can’t really do anything to help them. It can only burden them with more easy-credit debt, especially their college-age children. But ours is a financialized economy and finance is too abstruse for most ordinary people to understand, so they just muddle along in a fog of dashed hopes and repossession.
Lately, though, the financial markets at the heart of the financialized economy — that is, an economy based on buying and selling increasingly dubious “paper” assets rather than on capital formation through producing things of value — are sending distress signals. The aforesaid efforts at economic dial-tweaking have only produced distortions and perversions in the basic functioning of the markets they’re designed to tweak. They pervert the “price discovery” mechanism by dumping “free money” into equity markets. They distort “risk premiums” by steering money out of savings, where it earns less than nothing, into riskier investments subject to the vagaries of everything from weather (commodity markets) to control fraud (bank stocks) to geopolitics (Toyota stock). They debauch market expectations in general by implying permanent artificial life-support. They promote market gaming such as front-running equity prices via high frequency trading on computers, naked shorting (pretending to borrow shares that, in fact, do not exist) and the abuse of futures markets — lately illustrated in the ongoing smash of paper gold and silver contracts, with the side effect of driving yet more money into stock markets. Finally, they undermine the meaning and value of money itself, which is the most dangerous game of all because when people lose confidence in their national currency, nations dissolve in political chaos.
Despite the aura of control, Fed officials (and casual observers) may sense things spinning out of control. Of course, hyper-fragility is exactly the effect that all the Fed’s own actions would predictably lead to. When you divorce truth from reality, strange things are bound to happen. The Fed ventriloquists who speak through Hilsenrath at The Wall Street Journal suggest they would accomplish their exit from the current $85billion-a-month QE policy in a set of “halting steps” by irregularly dialing down QE issuance month-by-month to fine-tune the results on-the-fly, as markets may require. This is also complete horseshit because they could only accomplish controlled tweakings by somehow signaling their intentions beforehand through some lackey like Hilsenrath. Otherwise, they could not pretend to control the results of their actions. They might as well just throw spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks. Unfortunately, the “halting steps” idea would only provide even more opportunities for selective, complex front-running, shorting, and gaming — which is to say setting up more dangerous behavior with more uncertain and possibly destructive outcomes.
Anyway, there’s no evidence at this moment that anyone believes what was leaked to Hilsenrath. It could easily be more smoke and mirrors aimed at concealing the fact that the Federal Reserve has no idea what it has been doing and fears the consequences. There is one thing that we know for sure in this strange period when bankers have tried to manage reality in the absence of truth: that advanced industrial-technological economies designed to run on $20-a-barrel oil can’t run on $100-a-barrel oil, and that is why the US economy was subject to financialization in the first place — to offset declining productive activity by an attempt to get something for nothing. Notice that this macro-trend coincided exactly with the rise of legalized gambling all over America. That is how the idea that you could get something for nothing got to be normal. The world is about to find out that you really can’t get something for nothing. It will be a harsh lesson.

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564 Responses to “No Mo’ PoMo?”

  1. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    The theory all along has been that this $85 a month would seep down to Main Street to provoke spending (increasing the “velocity of money) and therefore “jump start” the economy.

    I’d call it the cover story proffered as a legitimate theory. Those who are perpetrating this, at the highest levels at least, know its purpose is something else entirely, i.e. to make the Plutocrats whole in this casino game where the house never loses.

  2. LifeSupport May 13, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    “But ours is a financialized economy and finance is too abstruse for most ordinary people to understand, so they just muddle along in a fog of dashed hopes and repossession.”
    And, as if that weren’t bad enough, it’s apparently too abstruse even for the wizards of finance who prided themselves on risk management and ended up risk-managing us into the worst financial crisis since… well, you know.
    I saw a pretty funny video some time back featuring various financial experts trying to explain “derivatives”. They kept going, “Uh, wait… let me back up a little…”

  3. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 8:55 am #

    The Fed can’t really do anything to help them.

    It could, but it chooses not to because that’s not part of the plan. The Fed, if it chose to as part of a benevolent plan, could wipe the debt slate clean, but of course, that would necessarily mean the lowly classes would be made whole, and we can’t have that at the expense of the betters, can we? As we have witnessed subsequent to the free-market proclamation that “all ships will rise with the rising tide,” in fact, the majority of ships sink and the survivors of those sunken ships now treading water must hold the remaining ships buoyant until those ships morph into a magic carpet to fly away in leaving the fatigued former survivors to sink and drown.

  4. Al Klein May 13, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    You betcha, Carol, a cover story it is. Actually, most of the rationales we hear lately about why this or that was done are simply cover stories. We live in a “feed ’em fish heads” society now. Over time the observant will notice that the cover stories just don’t “fit” together, i.e. they will be progressively less congruent. Then, at some point, even the most oblivious will catch on. I’m interested in how long you think that will take.

  5. KaraokeVox May 13, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    Ah, another fine breakfast with Kunstler and his critique of another disinformation arm. I never did think I was missing much choosing NOT to read every newspaper, journal and mag on the shelf.
    Having flavored Greek Yogurt with this financial themed edition.
    Really enjoyed the latest Podcast with a Houstonite dishing how all the “money” is made in my part of the country, Texas.
    The stock market isn’t gambling. It’s investing in companies that can get people like you and me to pay them lots of money for something on a regular basis into infinity. Enticing people to spend what they haven’t got is no longer working so they have to aim higher on the financial totem pole.
    “For example, officials want to avoid creating expectations that their retreat will be a steady, uniform process like their approach from 2003 to 2006, when they raised short-term interest rates in a series of quarter-percentage-point increments over 17 straight policy meetings.”

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  6. TexasHomesteader May 13, 2013 at 9:00 am #

    Your last sentance says it all
    “The world is about to find out that you really can’t get something for nothing. It will be a harsh lesson”
    Buy some dirt and get planting

  7. GAZ May 13, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    Nobody will ever fathom what weird, fucked up world you live in, but in the real world this “house” is going to lose big time and take the neighborhood with it. Maybe you can write a book about it?

  8. Lp May 13, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    Unfortunately the fed can’t stop it’s bond purchases. They are simply making up the difference between revenue & expenses, and taxes can’t be increased enough to make up the difference. The hope was that the “stimulus” would goose the economy enough that tax revenue would increase without increased rates. Even if politicians wanted to make cuts in spending, they can’t cut enough to balance the budget. Our current tax revenue doesn’t even cover mandatory spending & debt servicing. So they will continue to create money from nothing until the crash. It will not be pretty, however the Euro & the Japanese Yen may get there before we do.

  9. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    I’m interested in how long you think that will take.
    That’s a great question, and one with many possible answers. One such possible answer is that it will never happen, meaning the majority of people, regardless of their shared misery, will never fully grasp the extent to which they’ve been gamed. An explanation for this is that this majority has had the capacity for critical thought and evaluation exorcised from them through the traditional education system. You combine that with 24/7 propaganda and electronic distraction coupled with contaminated drinking water and food supply, and there is never any possibility for people to realize they are captives of their own device. They’ll continue to stew until there’s nothing left after evaporation.

  10. RyeBeachBum May 13, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    To extend it our a little bit Jim, we, at least those of us who saved and did not borrow to over spend are getting nothing for something, as our savings are about to be eviscerated by the hyperinflation that inevitably will follow from creating “Money” with out wealth. As for example our 401Ks are either taken over by the government in some manner or another or become worthless.
    The manipulation of Silver and Gold is but a attempt to keep the saving class from putting their wealth there while they still have it, and instead into stocks and bonds so that the Banksters can once again take it. Which is why some schmendrick wrote last week about how the dow would hit w 116,000.

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  11. Neon Vincent May 13, 2013 at 9:10 am #

    I’m surprised that you didn’t point out that higher interest rates wouldn’t be possible in a world with little or no growth. In that case, what Bernanke is doing is futile, and wouldn’t be denying retirees their interest income anyway. The naturally low interest rates would do that by themselves, Fed easy money or not.
    I got the stock market out of my system last Monday and haven’t even bothered to save the links from the two record Dow closes later in the week to write another post. I don’t even bother with bonds except as something to set mortgage rates, and not much even then. Instead, I’ll track the local real estate market. Here in Detroit, it’s showing signs of life, especially in Midtown, where suburbanites and people from outside Michigan are moving in and gentrifying the area. Why, a Whole Foods will open up there next month. Imagine, Whole Foods in Detroit!
    Of course, that’s one Detroit. The other Detroit is still fighting blight and decay. It will be interesting to watch which wins.
    Speaking of real estate, I found three NASA time lapses of Las Vegas growing from 1972 to 2012. Imagine, 40 years of the most rapidly sprawling city in the U.S. from space. During that last decade, Lake Mead shrunk. The growth only ceased with the last real estate bust.
    Problems with sustainability of the built environment also pop up in Rock the Boat, a movie about kayaking down the Los Angeles River. That publicity stunt ensured that the L.A. River was classified as navigable and thus eligible for protection under the Clean Water Act.
    All the above and more are at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!

  12. Bukko Canukko May 13, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    The leakage pattern JHK describes, and the awe in which the courtier press holds these statements from teh Fed, reminds me of the slavering adoration that was heaped on Alan Greedscam during the 1990s. “The Oracle” and all that other BS, as people tried to make sense of his cryptic statements about the e-con-o-mee. But everything looked good from in the middle of the bubble, so people were happy. Now, when I look back at quotes excerpted from the time, with knowledge of the deliberately inflated financial souffle Ayn Rand’s most powerful Manchurian candidate was cooking, the real meaning of his words is clear.
    I wonder how people 20 years in the future will think of the statements and lies coming from the people in power today. That is, if there is any Internetwork still functioning, or eletricity to turn on the computers.

  13. Bukko Canukko May 13, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    “they undermine the meaning and value of money itself, which is the most dangerous game of all because when people lose confidence in their national currency, nations dissolve in political chaos.”
    Charles Hugh Smith, who pens the “Of Two Minds” blog — another excellent read if you like the portentious style of JHK — has a word for this loss of confidence — “delegitimation.” Increasingly, Americans see NOTHING as legitimate. Which is a legitimate way to think, in a land where almost everything is a scam. But you need a level of trust to operate a complex society. “Will I get paid? Is that really milk in the carton at the store, or melamine? Does Mom actually love me, or is she just saying that to be polite?” If everyone gets as cynical and distrustful as me, that’s no way to run a railroad.

  14. 3rd Generation May 13, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    “It could easily be more smoke and mirrors aimed at concealing the fact that the Federal Reserve has no idea what it has been doing and fears the consequences.”
    Nice summation.
    Hope you are feeling well JHK.

  15. Piper Michael May 13, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    Good morning James.
    Yes, the Fed cannot stop printing without a train wreck. WE are in the Kabuki theater of the damned, the train is bearing down on the damsel tied to the tracks, and the hero dancers fight on, ignoring her plight.
    You sound a bit like Robert Heinlein this morning…
    Forget the moon, is the Earth becoming a Harsh mistress?
    Methinks we are all about to find out soon enough.
    Don’t cry havoc, cry FREEDOM… and let slip the dogs of war…
    Remember kiddies, the Suits, the Suits, the damn lying suits… all of them, stand them up against the wall… and a world made by hand is the meaning of the verses;
    “… a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny, and spare ye not the oil and the wine…”
    (Global economic collapse. The middle class is gone, only serfs and nobles are left.)
    Which leads to;
    “… and they shall pound their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, and neither shall they learn war, anymore.”
    (Without private banks or bankers, there can be NO WARS.)
    Are you a prophet James?

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  16. hillwalker May 13, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Showed up this AM to see if you had anything to say about the may 9th report that NOAA announced we have tipped the 400ppm atmospheric CO2 mark.
    But no, more ranting about banks and other such stuff that no one has any control over.
    Which is fine, as we don’t have any control over emissions either.
    In the face of assured catastrophic disasters down every path, all societies are doubling down on their bets with each wholly predictable loss.
    The craziness hasn’t even really begun.
    I did like the note about legalized gambling. I recall at the time when the trend was clear asking folks who coolly approved (job creation) just how, exactly, does gambling ‘create’ wealth?
    It doesn’t, of course. Like everything else we ‘consume’ in the form of ‘news’, it was a rhetorical question.

  17. newworld May 13, 2013 at 10:03 am #

    “Trickle Down Economics”, how ironic for all those years those great leaders of the left shrieked those words like a preacher shouts at the devil.

  18. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    The Fed will do what it likes until it decides to not do it anymore. This should be obvious to anyone paying attention. We have outstanding debt because that is what the Fed wants. It suits the suits, in other words.

  19. ront May 13, 2013 at 10:19 am #

    A financialized, cut throat capitalist economy with fake money is doubly delusional (horse shit). Still our culture demands that we take seriously: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLNkN6O4ifY

  20. Glensufi May 13, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    Perhaps a bit off topic but not much. Add to all of the phony financial shenanigans what’s coming down the road very soon in terms of environmental devastation from a rapidly warming planet and you have a shitstorm of unprecedented dimensions. There is no salvation from this unfortunate combination, way too much already baked into this poisoned pie.

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  21. ozone May 13, 2013 at 10:28 am #

    Despite proclamations and protestations from those who never talk to their neighbors, a very serious loss of confidence is spreading like a fast-moving airborne plague.
    I hear about it every………single………day.
    And as hillwalker says, the craziness hasn’t even begun yet. Those who say, “It can’t happen here”, are perhaps the craziest, at the present time. When they awake, blinking, in the center of the maelstrom, they will simply lose the rest of their minds and become nothing more than dead weight. (Is this what they mean by the stupid idea of Zombie Apocalypse?)

  22. tpverde May 13, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    While I normally get to thank my lucky stars for living in Costa Rica, so far from the maddening mess up there, about a week ago we were graced with a visit by Barack Obama himself. the political and business elites all lined up for the promises of abundant gas from the “new energy revolution” in the US and to worship at the altar of achieving “developed country” status.
    Fortunately, in this rural area, my neighbors have a long standing distrust of political pronouncements. With the arrival of the rains, they’re preparing their fields to plant non-GMO corn, and go about their business..as they have done for a few thousand years.

  23. Brent Eamer May 13, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    Sometimes I wonder if I should take all my money slowly out of my RRSP (Canada), and take the tax hit and invest in fixing the house, expanding even more garden, invest in seeds and a big freezer. We are so close that any one event could start it all. The party is approaching 4am and someone has to clean up the mess when sunrise hits

  24. RyeBeachBum May 13, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    Not to mention that on May 9, CO2 was 400.03 ppm, the first time since the Pleistocene Era CO2 PPM has been at or over 400PPM.
    According to National Geographic News.
    “The last time the concentration of Earth’s main greenhouse gas reached this mark, horses and camels lived in the high Arctic. Seas were at least 30 feet higher.”

  25. lsjogren May 13, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    The most preposterous thing is when the Fed claims that if inflation gets too high it can back off the QE policy.
    The only reason our economy doesn’t crash is the artificially low interest rates produced by the Fed’s QE policy.
    There is NOTHING they can do if and when inflation starts getting serious. If they stop QE then the federal government gets into a fiscal crisis as it finds it has to pay out much more in interest on the national debt. The housing market crashes as mortgage rates become unaffordable.
    Our economy is like the bus on Speed. Stopping QE slows the bus down, and the bomb that’s triggered to go off if the bus slows down below 50 mph explodes. On the other hand, you can’t keep driving the bus over 50, it will either run out of gas or get into a collision.
    No matter what we do we are screwed.
    But political and economic leaders are always going to take whatever course delays the apocalypse as long as possible.

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  26. lsjogren May 13, 2013 at 11:05 am #

    “The Fed, if it chose to as part of a benevolent plan, could wipe the debt slate clean, but of course, that would necessarily mean the lowly classes would be made whole, and we can’t have that at the expense of the betters, can we?”
    But that is precisely what they are doing, albeit on a slow-motion basis. Since doing it on a slow-motion basis simply makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, I fail to see how doing it all in one fell swoop would have the opposite effect.

  27. ozone May 13, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    ” There is one thing that we know for sure in this strange period when bankers have tried to manage reality in the absence of truth: that advanced industrial-technological economies designed to run on $20-a-barrel oil can’t run on $100-a-barrel oil, and that is why the US economy was subject to financialization in the first place — to offset declining productive activity by an attempt to get something for nothing.” -JHK
    IMHO, this is where the actual, agreed-upon, conclaved conspiracy resides. Aside from yourself and a couple other bloggers, this is NEVER to be spoken or hinted at. This is the terrible secret that the gen’l public must not tumble to!
    I notice that the “energy independence” theme/meme is getting louder and more strident in order to head the burning secret off at the pass.

  28. And So it Goes May 13, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    Thank you Mr. Kunstler for telling it like its is.
    An erudite capsulation of America’s economic predicament.
    A financialized economy is no real economy at all, just smoke and mirrors.

  29. shorty May 13, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    If all you whiners are so upset about CO2 levels, why don’t you do something about it? Get off your fat worthless asses and plant a few trees which inhale CO2 and give off O2………

  30. lucky 13 May 13, 2013 at 11:21 am #

    Newsflash [no surprise here] SCOTUS /Kagan
    side with Monsanto.

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  31. noel bodie May 13, 2013 at 11:23 am #

    Along these same lines it was recently announced locally that MONSANTO will enlarge a factory and provide some new jobs and as a result will not pay property taxes for some 5 years saving them less than a million dollars…..this IMHO, not because this multi-billion global needs the money but simply because they can get away with it. Only little people pay taxes. Also the local fortune 50 announced layoffs of hundreds of hourly workers and then the next week ponied up 2 mil for naming rights to the ball park! TAX THE RICH!

  32. sevenmmm May 13, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    Points made this week are most excellent.

  33. ctemple May 13, 2013 at 11:46 am #

    What happened to the rest of the article?

  34. adequatio. May 13, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    Sorry, doomers. I know you would be happier if the bottom was falling out of the economy and you could imagine a Black Swan event was happening. But the markets are not cooperating. Things are getting better and better. More jobs being created. Housing values returning. Leading Economic Index up. Damn. And we were all hoping for a giant collapse and a civil war, complete with pitch forks and hangings!
    Here is the reality, once again, doomers:
    There are very strong indicators that the world is actually getting better for the majority of humanity–fewer wars, lower crime rates, incredible advances in communication, a dramatic democratization of information that promises to catalyze social transformation on a global scale… and the list goes on. Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet, bringing us ever-closer to a cultural “tipping point”, in much the same way we saw with rational modernism during the European Renaissance, and postmodern pluralism in the 1960’s. This “tipping point” will allow us to find and enact integral solutions for our 21st century problems, with the measure of complexity, compassion, and consciousness that they demand.
    Needless to say, this is very good news.

  35. Rick May 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm #

    Jim, you’re right on, when you say:
    “There is one thing that we know for sure in this strange period when bankers have tried to manage reality in the absence of truth: that advanced industrial-technological economies designed to run on $20-a-barrel oil can’t run on $100-a-barrel oil, and that is why the US economy was subject to financialization in the first place — to offset declining productive activity by an attempt to get something for nothing. Notice that this macro-trend coincided exactly with the rise of legalized gambling all over America.”
    Peak Oil is real. Unfortunately, most don’t Americans understand what is happening. Even the so called smart ones.
    Of course those who pull the strings like it that way.

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  36. ComradeDystopia May 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    So what’s the upshot of all of it? Things will keep stumbling along like they always have. There will be winners and losers — try not to be the latter.

  37. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm #

    But that is precisely what they are doing, albeit on a slow-motion basis.
    Not from my vantage. Yes, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Even if that’s not the acknowledged plan, it’s the end result and has been for quite some time now. Personal and public debt is at seemingly unsustainable levels. I suppose one could claim that it’s all personal debt because any government debt is on the shoulders of the taxpayers, and thus will ultimately come from their personal/private income. Wiping the slate clean would require, quite literally, canceling all debt and starting over. To reiterate, all debt, which really means the debt of the lowly classes. The Plutocrats don’t pay debt, they issue it. They’re not going to cancel the debt because that would mean they take it in the pants and lose their power, status and influence because their wealth would no longer be concentrated and concentrating. How long can they keep this ponzi-like system of kiting going? I don’t know. Maybe for as long as it takes, which means until it’s lights out. As dot dot dot says, they’ll keep doing what they do until they can’t do it no more, and that could be longer than many Doomers care to admit.

  38. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Dude, if you’re posting to this comments section, you’ve already lost. It’s time for you to come clean with yourself and fess up. That pie in the sky turned out to be miles to high. Quit lying to yourself and everyone else. Fish Night awaits.

  39. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    In memory of Kyooshtik, it’s too, not to.

  40. troutbum2 May 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    The definitive book on decline is by William Ophuls titled “Immoderate Greatness : Why Civilizations Fail”. It’s available at Amazon for Ebook readers at $4.99. It’s only 70 pages and was recently recommended by no less than Jeremy Grantham of GMO hedge fund fame. It’s a unique synthesis, quite compelling for a brief read. His six factors are: Ecological Exhaustion, Exponential Growth, Expedited Entropy, Excessive Complexity, Moral Decay and Practical Failure. America is batting 6 for 6. Another perspective is Morris Berman, author of a trilogy on America, the last titled, ” Why America Failed”. He spends considerable time on the nation’s collective retreat into self-delusion, another compelling read, an unpleasant , depressing and sobering account of our current reality. They’re both fellow travelers in the CF Nation.

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  41. High & Dry in New Mexico May 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    Personally I am not too worried about the financial mess not because I have faith in it but because it is not based in reality. Sooner or later it will come apart and be shown for what it is and be replaced by something that can be touched. Unfortunately, everything I currently read about climate change is frightful (the new math). Hopefully as species we will pull our finger out and get to work soon. All the best to Jim & CFers alike.

  42. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    Thank you, Troutbum2, for those references. Fellow travelers in the CF Nation may be interested in Morris Berman’s blog, DARK AGES AMERICA
    Berman is another of our CF Nation (like Dee and Welles) who voluntarily left the USA and went south.

  43. endofworld May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    it has all to do with debt levels–serviceable debt levels-doesn’t matter if country,county,city,business or individual; if you can’t meet your debt your going to be toast-going to Jim Sinclairs confab this weekend in L.A.-he is an “insider” so we will learn the real story-he is saying get out of the system-its over.should be interesting…..

  44. PRD May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    Yes, lots of new jobs are being created… at car washes and burger doodle—$8/hour.
    This: “Not to mention the steady rise of integral consciousness all across the planet…” WTF is integral consciousness? And it’s happening ALL across the PLANET? Is this phenomenon measurable? Meaningless gobbledigoop.

  45. GAZ May 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    Empty vessels make the loudest sound, so they with least wit are the greatest babblers. ~ Plato

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  46. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    5 part article started in the local daily this week on rampant heroin use and availability in Wmass.
    Sign o’ the times methinks, hopelessness becomes a contagion.
    Local narc detective quotes “easier to get a bag of heroin than a dime bag of pot”. At least the war in Afghanistan can’t be said to be a complete failure.

  47. Belisarius May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    An excellent essay on the nature of the financial control vampires. It seems they will soon require more blood and wealth than what exists. Perhaps some sunshine (truth) will vaporize them before they drain most of us. Perhaps not.
    $85 billion a month buys a lot of control, and that is just what ONE of their central banks admits to for show. The actual global amount could be 10-100x that. Consider that they own or control almost every power and info center worldwide… Corporations, media, political parties, academia, foundations, nonprofits, governments, etc etc. They even generate and control their supposed opposition to a large extent. This, of course, includes the intel agencies that scan and file your email, browsing history, purchases, travel and phone calls; among other things on a growing list.
    It is quite likely that the coming crisis is planned, and they will be calling on their surviving assets to carve an order out of the chaos that increases their control and reduces irritants (us).
    In attempting to figure what comes next, it might be interesting to explore how the bankers are controlled.

  48. adequatio. May 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!

  49. lindy193 May 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    Be careful about the “Big Freezer”. Provide backup electricity else when TSHTF and the grid goes down, you lose all your stuff.

  50. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Berman is another of our CF Nation (like Dee and Welles) who voluntarily left the USA and went south.

    As if becoming just another developing world neo-colonialist with a self-serving favorable exchange rate in your back pocket is something to aspire to.
    Expats in the dirt track world bring it with them when they come, their main effect on locals who have no choice is price inflation.

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  51. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    A monstrous situation is developing. Monsanto is going to flood the Western World with their poison and Obama refuses to allow labeling so people know what they’re eating – despite his ealier promise to do so. And the Jews are up to their necks in this as usual. The Monsanto Family were slave owning Southern Jews.
    In this video, the Obama Administration refuses to accept a petition for food labeling.

  52. ozone May 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

    “…Our national mythology makes it impossible for most Americans to conceive of a future of accelerating contraction and impoverishment, and so any excuse to believe that happy days are here again will attract an instant and uncritical audience. Consider the extraordinary fog of misinformation surrounding the current fracking bubble—the increasingly loud and frantic claims that the modest temporary gains in oil production driven by the fracking phenomenon guarantee a future of abundant energy and prosperity for all. It’s the same twaddle about a new era with limitless upside potential, but it’s even more popular than usual, because the alternative is facing the future that’s taking shape around us.” -John Michael Greer
    Damnit, JMG, don’t say such things! We no longer “do” that reality stuff like “facing the future”; I thought you had gotten the memo…
    What? You hear pipings of twaddle nearby as well?

  53. ozone May 13, 2013 at 1:31 pm #

    See there? Ab-so-fucking-lutely nothing to worry about. Mission Accomplished!
    (Whaddaya mean, you won’t share your works? Geeze.)

  54. norecovery May 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm #

    I recently heard a discussion between local Mayoral candidates, in which they talked about the importance of “financial education” so our youngsters will grow up to be responsible citizens. It’s a good thing I didn’t have anything in my mouth, as it would have exploded all over the place.
    Young people are finding out the hard way how the game is rigged, including the police state that has been instigated to keep them from dissenting. In the poor communities, they have known this for a long time.
    The tissue of lies that hides the massive fraud and criminality inevitably will be torn away, not just because of Peak Oil but a plethora of confluent declines and disasters. All the plutocrats will do is try to cushion their fall from their penthouses with the bodies of all the little people they have killed and injured.

  55. lucky 13 May 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    You had some eye popping info on ‘Poverty Programs’.
    Whats the name of that program? Is it Private or State or Federal?
    And what town or county?

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  56. mistified May 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    Hey, simplefuck, this isn’t the story of the week. The story of the week is that the IRS, which is supposed to oversee Obamacare and in so doing has hired 16,000 additional employees, is corrupt to its very core.
    This agency ran interference on groups and individuals who held differing views on how government should operate and in so doing interfered with their rights of free speech and political association.
    This is a much bigger story than the fed priming the pump. Why? Because it boils down to this. “Oh, so you need a medical procedure, fellow comrade? Well, just who did you vote for in the last election?”
    One of the reasons that President Nixon was impeached was that it was shown that he used the agency of the IRS to target political enemies. Here is the language from the articles of impeachment:
    “Conspiracy to Suppress Free Speech. Caused harassment, by means of tax audits and other acts by the Internal Revenue Service, of named persons designated as political “enemies” of President Nixon for the purpose of inhibiting or preventing their exercise of First amendment rights, in violation of section 241 of the Criminal Code.”
    Should the actions of the IRS in any way be traced back to our current administration legal precedent for removal from office has been established.
    To date Obama’s lack of leadership and his never ending “campaign mode” has distanced him from responsibility. “This is under review and we’ll get to the bottom of it” has been his rope-a-dope strategy on any and all issues. We shall see if this tactic continues to work. I somehow doubt that it will.

  57. Last Redoubt May 13, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    Hud is spending $50 a cubic yard to remove debris from foreclosed FHA homes. I worked in the industry for three years. The foreclosures have not let up one bit and the debris is mostly made up of people’s stuff. The energy destruction after ruining peoples lives is heartbreaking. I was fired after i told my boss that this is unsustainable. The gov put a moratorium on foreclosures. Schadenfreude.

  58. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Hey, simplefuck, this isn’t the story of the week.
    Clean up your language, potty mouth.
    Are you Herman Cain by any chance? He’s saying the same thing. If you’re not, isn’t weird that you and Herman think exactly alike?

  59. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Yes, ALL over the world.
    Paul Hawken: Blessed Unrest, Bioneers 2006
    It is the largest movement in the world, greater and deeper than we can know, nonviolent, grassroots … a male vertebrate is not in charge. It is not Meaningless gobbledigoop. View the 5 minute video link above for proof.

  60. djc May 13, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    The fact that I can no longer buy or find junk silver or Silver Eagles tells me we’re in very, very troubled waters.

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  61. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

    Jews (whom you worship) dominated the slave trade.

  62. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    Any supposed separation between the Federal Reserve and the major “too big to fail” banks is a mere fiction. The Fed’s operating board is comprised of these same banks, and it is a pseudo-government entity, not a department of the US federal government. The low interest rates, open money spigot, and various bailouts all make perfect sense when it is considered a cartel of the largest banks, because all those policies are most beneficial to the financial sector, of which the Fed is really the tip of the pyramid. The Treasury is really just an appendage of this shambling behemoth, in the fashion of the tail wagging the dog.

  63. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Yes anyone who agrees with reality has to be “the same person” Hitler said the sky was blue so therefore anyone who says the sky is blue is Hitler.

  64. Glensufi May 13, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    A, you are correct about many things but unfortunately the inescapable really bad stuff will I fear ultimately overwhelm us. Maybe you and Kurzweil et al are correct, I certainly hope so but……

  65. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Yep, the preznit sur’nuff is a pinko commie marxist, Dow at 15K and corporate profits up, easy to see how he’s hell bent on redistributin’ the wealth………..to the top 1%.

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  66. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Yes, Conservatives said that a hundred years ago when the beast was spawned, but you people wouldn’t listen. Now you know. Welcome to the Party that’s already over.

  67. shorty May 13, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Look….up in the sky….it’s a bird, no it’s a plane……no it’s SuperNigger. Able to leap a tall deficit in a single bound…….faster than a speeding drone missile…..more powerful than a 30 ship battle carrier fleet. Look up in the sky…..it’s SUPERNIGGER!!!

  68. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    “Clean up your language, potty mouth.”
    Hey douche-drip, go fuck yourself. Herman fucking cain indeed. Who the fuck cares what herman cain believes or does not believe?
    The I-fucking-R-fucking-S was used as a subservient tool to run interference on the free speech practices of citizens. This is the same agency that is to monitor the financing of your healthcare you witless fucking moron. That means when you want to go get your next enema bag, you worthless sack of shit, you are going to have to pass the IRS’s politically correct questionnaire. As full of shit as you are that is an enormous problem.
    Now be quiet. And be very careful about declaring your supply of Depends as a medical expense.

  69. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    Have you considered a penis pump? If not, you should because if they happen to work as they claim you can change your name to average. But for now, you’ll have to continue to play in the little league.

  70. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Silver Eagles are available in many places:

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  71. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    I thought I was an empty vessel? Now I’m full of shit. It’s true, I am legion. I am many and all things.
    I wish you would quit beeting around the bush and come right out and say what you think and feel. Make yourself a bit more clear next time, will you?

  72. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    And of course this relates to the IRS story. I think JIMMY DRINK-DILAUDID would be more appropriate.

  73. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    He is not a Muslim either. 30 year fixed mortgages are at about 3.5%
    If Obama was Muslim, we would have interest-free home loans, like these:

  74. shorty May 13, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Carol, baby, you were such a sweet bottom last Fish Night….how can you now be so resentful and bitchy?

  75. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    Beeting? My, how literate. Perhaps you skipped English class and played with Penis Pumps instead? No surprise there.

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  76. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Why do you rape women?

  77. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Shut up or we’ll clue Daniel as to how you spend your valuable time.

  78. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    I love it when you say Shucky Ducky. Like this.
    Say it again, Herman, please. We love it.

  79. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Oh, the IRS applied extra scrutiny to anti-tax political groups requesting tax exempt status? How surprising! What a shocker!

  80. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    Yeah, and yet you’ll hear nothing from this bible thumper about the special forces raping and murdering as glorified corporate mercenaries around the globe. It’s alright if tax is collected for that. I truly believe conservatards want people to suffer. It’s all they support.

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  81. shorty May 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    The child support checks cashing OK, baby?

  82. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    “I love it when you say Shucky Ducky. ”
    Gee, that’s something to brag about and not a bit odd either. Is that how Danny boy gets you hot?

  83. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    During the Vietnam War they applied extra scrutiny to anti-war activists. What goes around, come around. Except Nixon never apologized and never admitted wrongdoing. Obama today called what the IRS did “outrageous” and “contrary to our traditions.” Obama today said that he would not tolerate it and added that people should be held accountable. Mistified is a hypocrite.
    What’s really unfortunate about all this is that it will probably put an end to any scrutiny of 501(c)4 groups, and that’s a shame. The IRS should be scrutinizing them, and it should be doing it on an ongoing basis. More than likely, though, Congress will step in to neuter them completely on this score, and the current Wild West character of 501(c)4 fundraising will continue unabated.

  84. shorty May 13, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    Carol, baby, you said you loved me on Fish Night…..and now you never call, or txmsg, or email. is it over????

  85. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    “What a shocker!”
    No. Nothing at all odd. Which is why Lois Lerner, who heads the division that oversees tax-exempt groups, apologized for the bureaus behavior.

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  86. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    “Lerner acknowledged it was wrong for the agency to target groups based on political affiliation.
    “That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That’s not how we go about selecting cases for further review,” Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.
    “The IRS would like to apologize for that,” she added.
    Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias.”
    This was on May 10th. Now it has been learned that it wasn’t just low-level workers. My how odd. What a shocker, indeed.

  87. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    bureaus behavior.
    Hey jackass, it’s a service, not a bureau, but even so, you left out the possessive apostrophe. Who the hell was your English teacher, you racist rapist?

  88. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    “Carol, baby, you said you loved me on Fish Night…..and now you never call, or txmsg, or email. is it over????”
    Shorty, shut up. This sack is over 65 years old and smells like fish. Dead fish. Be quiet. You are embarrassing yourself.

  89. mistified May 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    “Hey jackass, it’s a service, not a bureau…”
    My, my we have learned the rope-a-dope quite well. Forget the main story which is the corruption of the IRS. Ramble on about “service vs bureau.” How lovely, comrade carol. (What a fucking shill. What a fucking moron.)

  90. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

    That’s a very cruel thing to say. I thought because of your concern about the IRS that you might be against tyranny in all its forms, but I guess you just want to be top tyrant and you can’t be because you’re inadequate. Poor boy. Only the best tasting tunas get to be Starkist. You’ll just have to accept that the IRS is a better tyrant than you could ever aspire to be. Now go back to your hole in the ground where you belong, loser.

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  91. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    “Obama today said that he would not tolerate it and added that people should be held accountable.”
    Of course they will. The “right” people will be held accountable. Just like Hillary is about to find out what the underside of a bus looks like regarding the Benghazi debacle.
    And by the by I was the one that pointed out that one of the reasons outlined in Nixon’s articles of impeachment was his misuse of the office of the IRS.

  92. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    News for you. The whole fucking government is being misused by Global Corporate. In fact, it’s now officially one of its divisions, so why are you so surprised by this, and why do you think it should be front page news when it’s par for the course and merely the tip of a pernicious iceberg?

  93. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

    “You’ll just have to accept that the IRS is a better tyrant than you could ever aspire to be.”
    I don’t think an organization can be a tyrant, mein comrade. I think an individual is required. You don’t seem to have any difficulty with the tyrannical actions of individuals who work within the confines of the IRS, so I am electing you “Comrade Tyrant.” You be the boss. Boss Bitch. It fits you.

  94. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    So, you are supporting Obama in his attempt to stop this abuse by the IRS?
    And you criticized Nixon at the time, during his presidency, for going after anti-war activists?
    If you cannot answer yes to both those questions, then you are, and continue to be, a hypocrite.

  95. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    misti is one of these faux libertarians who astroturfs based on whatever topic has been deemed acceptable by Hannity this week. The Fox selective outrage machine only sees wrongdoing when Democrats are involved. Next I’m expecting a long rant about the Benghazi “cover-up.”
    I remember when we used to have actual scandals involving illegal torture and wire-tapping, outing of CIA agents, and invasion of other countries based on cooked intelligence, not this “changed the talking points” and “extra scrutiny” small potatoes crap.

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  96. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    I don’t think an organization can be a tyrant, mein comrade.
    You silly, ridiculous boy, of course an organization can be a tyrant. Haven’t you heard, corporations are considered people with all the attendant rights that come with that designation, including the right to be labeled a tyrant. Since the IRS is a division of Global Corporate, and we have established corporations are people and thus tyrants, logically the IRS can also be a tyrant, and in fact is one. But now I have you arguing for the IRS which was my goal, so Mission Accomplished!!

  97. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    “The whole fucking government is being misused by Global Corporate. ”
    Very weak Carol. This boils down to “Everybody’s doing it.” I don’t give a fuck. Jails are available for these scum. Fill them.
    Are you FOR Obamacare? These scum have been set up to administer the financing of the program. And they are targeting citizens that they don’t agree with. Are you so blinded by ideology that you don’t see the danger in this? Wake the fuck up.

  98. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    “Haven’t you heard, corporations are considered people with all the attendant rights …”
    Which you don’t obviously agree with which destroys your moronic defense. Shut up Carol. You’re making Shorty sound like Albert -fucking-Einstein.

  99. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    ” But now I have you arguing for the IRS which was my goal, so Mission Accomplished!!”
    Ooooops! How could I have fallen into your trap. You are so intelligent. (Good lord, you are an idiot.)

  100. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    Are you FOR Obamacare?
    No, I’m not, but I’m also for a military budget reduced immediately by 90%. Are you?
    I don’t support the recent healthcare legislation because I don’t believe it will make us any healthier, but it will make the insurance companies wealthier since they wrote the legislation and this was originally a Republican Plan. At one time, I would have supported Single-Payer, but not any longer because, as I’ve said, this government is a division of the corporations, and the corporations are the errand boys of the Plutocracy, and considering what’s coming down the pike, government healthcare at this point could very well be used to cull the herd.

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  101. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

    “misti is one of these faux libertarians who astroturfs based on whatever topic has been deemed acceptable by Hannity this week.”
    Interesting as I haven’t viewed Hannity in about a year nor Fox in several weeks. But you must have. So tell us, what did Sean have to say about anything I’ve mentioned? Maybe you can check with caroll and see if it matches up with herman cain’s brilliant comments?

  102. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    “…small potatoes crap.”
    So, the usage of the IRS to target political opponents is “small potatoes”? Holy shit. You are dumber than fucking water.

  103. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    Just as I imagined. Misty is a paper tiger. I’m done with you. I figured as much, and now you’ve been exposed with the simple lighting of a match.
    Misty won’t say anything negative about corporations when in fact corporations were, and are, the communism he and his ilk have always inexplicably feared. It was under their noses the entire time. It came like a thief in the night, but it didn’t sneak away. It remains and continues to redistribute the nation’s wealth, nay the world’s wealth to the top one tenth of one percent.

  104. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    True enough but the agit/prop of divisiveness obviously keeps the masses busy with the delusion they are “informed” and that there really is more than one political party.

  105. sotolvision May 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    Reading your weekly columns & readers’ comments — which I do nearly every week w/o fail — elicits from me the adjective “tantalizing”: No sooner am I in the thrall of a reader’s terse & insightful comments then the next reader’s comments digresses into name-calling re: the last reader’s comment. So, here’s my proposal: Won’t you please hire a graduate student who scans incoming readers’ comments before they are posted on your blog? Or, better, is there not available a cheap software application which quickly culls/screens distasteful reader’s feedback and places it temporarily into “suspense” until a human actor, maybe the aforementioned graduate student, can analyze the rot which passes for sapient comment? It’s unlikely any CF reader gives a hoot re: how often your readers employ expletives in their comments, but must all your readers endure the miscreant reader comments whose only mission — it’s obvious on its face, yes? — is to be-little and cast personal aspersions? C’mon, CF is for grown-ups, yes? I get revv-ed up, entertained, soothed, and/or sometimes educated by the many perspectives which are articulated by you and by your readers … until a couple of yo-yo readers go at it in the reader’s comments section. So, yes, I said “tantalizing” because no sooner do I find kindred spirits (or not) amongst your readers than I hear the screech of chalk sideways on a blackboard, and I think I’ve wandered into the wrong chat room. Do something about it for gawd’s sake! Yours is a public chat-room, I understand, but is there not a rule about pissing in the drinking water?
    Thanks for your consideration!

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  106. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

    “Misty won’t say anything negative about corporations…”
    Fuck you, spent douche fluid. Why am I required, out of nowhere, to say something negative about corporations ? Why aren’t you upset because I didn’t say anything about gay cowboys or bitter, unfucked, 65 pus year-old washed up enema bags? I was talking about corruption within the IRS.
    Now I will address “corporations” at my choosing. If there is a U.S corporation whose members are operating outside the confines of our laws, those individuals should be tried in a court of law and if found guilty sentenced to a term in jail.
    Happy now, moron?
    (By the way, carroll-douche won’t say anything about clown cars. How dare her.)

  107. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

    The basic problem is that the blogging platform he uses sucks, so moderation and other advanced features are a pain or unavailable.
    Oh and BTW I’d email him directly if you want any kind of response. I get the impression he doesn’t really read the comments here too closely.

  108. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    “Or, better, is there not available a cheap software application which quickly culls/screens distasteful reader’s feedback and places it temporarily into “suspense” until a human actor, maybe the aforementioned graduate student, can analyze the rot which passes for sapient comment?”
    Problem is I don’t like what you just posted, moron. See the difficulty? Now you could, perhaps, ignore things that aren’t any of your fucking business. Or not.

  109. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    So you get your marching orders second hand. Do all of you “conservatives” coordinate on what topics you’ll feign anger and outrage about each week? Because you all talk about the same crap using similar language, like you’re cribbing from a Roger Ailes memo.

  110. Newfie May 13, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    The economy is going to collapse ? There must be some misunderstanding. We will be commuting to the office in flying cars by 2021.
    Ha ha ha !

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  111. driften May 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    “Wiping the slate clean would require, quite literally, canceling all debt and starting over. To reiterate, all debt, which really means the debt of the lowly classes.”
    Just a thought in repsonse to your words above, Carol… it isn’t only the oligarchs holding debt. Pension is also a name for debt.

  112. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    “…like you’re cribbing from a Roger Ailes memo.”
    Once again, you must be reading Roger Ailes’ memos as you seem so well versed. I, however, am not and never have. Are his memos to your liking?

  113. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    “Do all of you “conservatives” coordinate on what topics you’ll feign anger and outrage about each week?”
    Well the floor is yours, big-boy. What has you upset this week?

  114. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    “House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Monday that the IRS should be condemned for targeting conservative groups for special scrutiny in the run-up to last year’s elections, but she also blamed the Supreme Court for opening the door to broader political activity.”
    It’s the Supreme Court’s fault.

  115. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    “The targeting of conservatives by the IRS started earlier and was more extensive than the IRS acknowledged last week, according to a draft IRS inspector general report obtained by ABC News.”

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  116. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    “At various points over the past two years, Internal Revenue Service officials targeted nonprofit groups that criticized the government and sought to educate Americans about the U.S. Constitution…”
    Now we would NOT want anyone to be educated about our constitution.

  117. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    Well, it is now, but it should have never been. One would think by now that employees would have learned to never take the bait of deferred compensation and then turn it over to the vultures to roll the dice on investments that would never come to fruition and pay off in the long run. I hate to say it, but pensioners are going to take it in the shorts one way or another. As more and more people get tossed overboard, so too will they as the ship goes down. Any day now, I know. Damn this thing’s taking a long time to even list.

  118. mistified May 13, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    “Over two years, IRS field office agents repeatedly changed their criteria while sifting through thousands of applications from groups seeking tax-exempt status to select ones for possible closer examination, the findings showed.
    At one point, the agents chose to screen applications from groups focused on making “America a better place to live.”
    Now who in their right, fucking mind would want America to be “A better place to live?” Outrageous!!!

  119. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    Somewhere a tea party is missing another cracked pot.

  120. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    Define better.

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  121. mistified May 13, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    “Define better.”
    Jump up and down.
    Paint yourself purple.
    Wet your pants.

  122. snakeoil101 May 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

    JHK- It is a treat to read your blog each week. I have been an avid reader for several years, and have enjoyed several of your books. I attended a book signing in Denver a few years ago, and enjoyed it immensely. It is rare to talk to anyone these days who enjoys dealing with reality. My father was a successful, and honest broker for Merrill for years. He retired early, and gave up a 4-500k a year working part time. I asked him why he quit when he seemed to have the perfect 12 hour workweek job. He said that the markets were so full of unquantified derivatives, and sketchy accounting schemes, that he felt it was no longer safe to participate with a sound mind in the markets. This was in 1996, before the first blowout in 2000. He lived long enough to witness the big unravel in 2008. What is amazing is how well the $ masters have kept the game going, and how ignorant and eager the public is to get back what we lost. It is not just the $25 barrel of oil that keeps things going smooth, it is the willingness of a seemingly unlimited slave labor force to build and rebuild this house of cards.

  123. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 4:21 pm #

    That’s assuming these organizations are what they claim. Perhaps “making American a better place to live” is a cynical code for something else, just like Fox’s hilarious “fair and balanced” slogan.
    Funny thing, too, most of the countries considered the best places to live by international polls and studies have high taxes, extensive social services like universal healthcare, and strong central governments. These include Australia, Sweden, etc. It turns out that low taxes and minimal government aren’t the keys to utopia.

  124. Liquid Lennny May 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    Good to see your blog getting posted on Zero Hedge on the same day. I think the commentators there have a better sense of humor…
    But you’re right, with 85 billion you would think we would have bought a better recovery, if one were really possible.
    Keep in mind that for the past 5 years we have had an equivalent of around a trillion dollars worth of stimulus every year, such as in our annual budget deficits.
    So to those who are still deluding themselves about where this is heading I suggest reading ‘When Money Dies, the nightmare of deficit spending, devaluation and hyperinflation in Weimar Germany’ by Adam Fergusson.
    And of course we all know how that turned out…I already hear the clamors for a “strong man”, you know the kind, the one with the “solution”, final or not.
    But, but this time really is different you say, we’re so much smarter aren’t we. And besides we’ll have an app for that soon…
    As they say “the future rarely repeats but it does rhyme quite often”.
    Oh well, another wasted lunch hour, I’ll take your answers off the air.

  125. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    There is more than one political party. The USA has several major political parties and over a dozen minor political parties.
    Democratic Party
    Republican Party
    Libertarian Party
    Green Party
    Constitution Party
    And that doesn’t include independents.

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  126. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

    Even Liberals admit that it’s a cover up. Only Obama Zombies deny that. And not only a cover up, but one worse than Watergate. Face it, Obama and Hillary etc don’t care about America or American Lives but only their Agenda and personal careers.

  127. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm #

    It turns out that low taxes and minimal government aren’t the keys to utopia.
    Doesn’t Somalia have low taxes and minimal government? Maybe mistified could move there, you know, to see conservatism in action. Somalia is a “free market haven … the police, roads, and navy are maintained by rational self-interest … and libertarian magic dust!
    What’s that? You say you have cholera. Sorry, no government health care, no Obamacare. Use the Republican health plan: Die quickly.

  128. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm #

    A cover-up of what? I still haven’t figured that one out. Nor has anyone deemed to tell me.

  129. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

    I bet you heard that on Hannity/Cain/Limbaugh/Beck/Savage et al, didn’t you? Can’t you think for yourself?

  130. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    No government. No roads. No police. No public healthcare. No public utilities. Low taxes. Heck, they won’t even try to collect tax from you. You can even setup your own little fiefdom if you have enough weapons so forget gun control.
    Yeah, Somalia is a real libertarian’s paradise.

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  131. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    Obama and Hillary etc don’t care about America or American Lives but only their Agenda and personal careers.
    “only their agenda and personal careers”?
    You mean they don’t care about Agenda 21? I’m shocked.

  132. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

    “And not only a cover up, but one worse than Watergate.”
    If that’s true, then what laws were broken? How is Obama connected to it? What orders did he give? Who lied about what? When will the impeachment proceedings begin?
    Do tell…

  133. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

    no Obamacare. Use the Republican health plan: Die quickly.
    Obamacare is the Republican Plan with modifications (Trojan Vibrations is covered as part of the women’s health initiative). The plan is designed to perpetuate the failing insurance business model another decade or two ensuring the profits the shareholders of these companies have come to expect. Yes, it’s better than Somalia, but Somalia’s where we’re headed either way. Misty just wants us to take the short track.

  134. Jimmy Drinkwater May 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    Gee, thanks for the high school civics lesson, I’ll file that under “firm grasp of the obvious”.
    The point beyond common meme levels is that other than the impotent and marginalized political factions in the US, the political machinery that controls the halls of power and feeds the national media and has created a one party state, the Money Party, and even the SCOTUS agrees this is the way it should be.

  135. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm #

    Whilst Rome ignites, let’s spend several years reviewing the tapes and convening a congressional lynching, including special prosecutors and judges. Janos likes to pretend that there aren’t about fifty of these so-called scandals every year. It’s so commonplace it’s absurd to even call them scandals. It’s how it’s done. Business as usual.

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  136. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    You’re welcome. It seemed you were having a problem differentiating between “one” and many. The USA does not have “one” party.

  137. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    Maybe it doesn’t have “one” party, but the U.S. is for certain one big party if you have money.

  138. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    Obamacare is a Trojan horse. Just like Canada started out with a crippled health care system and then modified and reformed until it eventually became single payer, Obamacare will morph into single payer over a decade or so. Patience. Yes, what we have similar to the Republican plan, but already has improvements: no denial of care for pre-existing conditions, extension of care for children until age 25, no denial of enrollment, coverage of preventative care, etc.
    Millions have already benefited. Over time the system will evolve into a national health care not based on Republican principles. The Republican health plan is: 1) don’t get sick, and 2) if you get sick, die quickly.
    Obamacare will evolve from private carriers to public single payer. Republicans know this and that is why they oppose any advance, however small, in making America a better place.

  139. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    They allowed Americans to die rather than ruin Obama’s image of a Triumph in Libya. That should be grounds for impeachment. When Hil said she took full responsibility with a proud smirk on her face, she should have been taken away in cuffs.
    You’re a limp dildo who has no idea of how a Nation should be.

  140. helen highwater May 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    Yeah, that war on weed was a real success, wasn’t it. Now it’s so hard to find this relatively benign consciousness-alterer that people who want to get high do heroin instead. The stupidity of the powers that be just boggles my mind.

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  141. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    Love it! Fiesta! Forever! All night long!
    Do party does not require money. We are happy by nature. Happiness is our birthright. And we are social animals. Partying has been a feature of human existence for millenia, long before the industrial revolution and long before the oil age. Peak oil is irrelevant to fiesta.

  142. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

    ^To party does not require money.

  143. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    What laws do you think they actually broke requiring their impeachment and prosecution?

  144. helen highwater May 13, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    It’s easy to avoid GMO food. Don’t eat crap, that’s where the GMOs are. Avoid products containing soy, canola and corn. Grow a garden. Cook real meals with real ingredients. Get to know a farmer.

  145. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 5:55 pm #

    They allowed Americans to die
    They did no such thing.
    It was an organized Al Qaeda attack sustained for hours. Nobody was “allowing Americans to die” (well, maybe the Republicans who refused Hilary’s request for more embassy security) …
    Whose side are you on? USA? or Al Qaeda? Place the responsibility where it belongs: Al Qaeda, not Hillary.

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  146. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    Aaah, you’re so charming when you’re feigning anger on the internet.

  147. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 6:02 pm #

    So why did the Administration lie for weeks saying that it was a video? Hillary said to the relatives of the dead, “We’ll get the guy who made that video”. That in itself is unforgiveable if not criminal. The lying is criminal as was the refusal to provide more security.

  148. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    So no labeling needed? Just let Obama get away with his lies while Michelle poses as a poster girl for healthy living? Well I don’t think so. And the question of Monsanto and Agenda 21 goes far beyond these crops that you mention.

  149. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    You think Agenda 21 is a joke but you’re wrong. You’re the joke with a cavity where your brain should be and a hole where your balls should be.
    Check this out. Tranny agitates for equal Mother’s Day for Trannies. Serious stuff, right?

  150. Carol Newquist May 13, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

    Which do you want, Monsanto neutered, or Benghazi vindicated? No, you can’t have both.
    Helen, getting to know a farmer won’t necessarily help you avoid GMO. Small, independent farmers are going the way of the dodo bird. I agree that the other things will help. For now. But the pinch is on, and when food becomes scarce with the effects of climate change, it may well be mandated that we must eat GMO just as they had to eat Soylent Green, and Monsanto will be well-positioned to take advantage when that zeitgeist presents.

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  151. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.
    Let’s review the pertinent words: NON-BINDING, VOLUNTARY, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
    How in the hell do you get “globalist conspiracy” out of Agenda 21?
    You are the joker here.

  152. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    “So why did the Administration lie for weeks saying that it was a video?”
    It wasn’t a lie, doofus. This was an obvious conclusion. The Libya embassy attack was just the most serious incident amongst world-wide protests connected to the release of the Arabic version of the video.
    These protests, others of which turned violent also, mostly occurred on 9/11/2012 along with the embassy attack.
    But I’m sure you knew that already…

  153. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    The UN is a trigger phrase for paranoid conspiracy oriented nutjobs. They can’t help it.

  154. jamesh May 13, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

    THANK YOU!!!!!
    A lone SANE voice in a sea of paranoid freaks.
    Adequatio gets it.
    The rest of you need to relax. You are truly delusional. This is the most frightening stew of negative, paranoid, off the wall bullshit I have ever read. You are all out of touch with reality. Read this post by Aqequatic-he is right and all of you are headed for a straight jackets.
    Kunstler has played you for profit. Buy his books, paintings but mostly his FEAR of PHANTOMS. He is NEVER right-but he stokes your desire for distopia. How sad and pathetic.

  155. shorty May 13, 2013 at 7:14 pm #

    Misty, honey…..fell in love when you licked my nutsack on Fish Night…..but now you are so cold and distant…….there must be someone else…..

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  156. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    The People in the Embassy called and told them they were being attacked by Terrorists. The Talking Points left that out by 12th edition or so. There may have been a demonstration too. Liars use the Truth to Lie more effectively. Surely you know that?

  157. turkleton May 13, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    Well, that would be the “glass is half full” point of view. Have you been to Liberia or Afghanistan lately? Or Russia? Or any number of other countries not doing so hot?
    I guess its easy to see everything as just peachy when the windows in your stretch limo are rose-colored.

  158. ozone May 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    Fine then.
    It is May 13th, 2013 at approximately 7:00 PM.
    Please make note of as many “indicators” as you think might be germane to the state of this society and the world at large (as of today, of course).
    Check back in with us on May 13th, 2014 at approximately the same time and kindly inform us of what you think has changed for the better and what might be worse.
    We [and you] shall see what influence perspective and degree (over time) has on context and attitude.
    It should prove an interesting personal journey. You likely predict a clear-eyed, heroic quest into/toward the land of milk and honey; I (as per usual) predict more in the way of “degradation” in most things at varying degrees. (I would generally agree with the poster named “norecovery”; and there will, in fact, be no recovery.)
    Ps. Why do you “hopeful” folks think this is all about FEAR on the part of us pessimistic folk? It is my distinct impression that it is YOU who has an overarching fear of losing your carefully guarded status quo. I’m seeing a sort of desperation in denial and a horror of having to confront a future that will turn out to be different than the one you’ve constructed in your own dreamscape image. There’s no “desire for dystopia” here. Acting on, or being FORCED to act on our most bestial instincts is not a fun way to exist. These “problematic changes” are brought up ON THIS BLOG to see if we might find a way through that can preserve some civil behavior on the downslope. That’s called practical, long-term thinking. I don’t think that pretending collapse can’t happen will prove helpful. “Forewarned is forearmed” is more than just a comfy little nostrum; it’s a trenchant warning couched in sober, stoic thought. (Not fear.) …But I must admit, that’s my own personal interpretation.
    So, in closing, I ask (quite seriously): Would you prefer that this blog not exist and the people who see the same problems JHK sees not think about them or discuss them? These are the things we have to ask each other to see if our paths in any way converge (find some commonality), or if we must agree to part company and take our own roads forward. (Personally? I wouldn’t come to someone’s blog and read their essays, just to tell them and their fellow-travelers that they’re full of shit. It’s pretty purposeless.)

  159. adequatio May 13, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

    Liberia’s economy continued its post-war expansion in 2011, exporting its first iron ore since the conflict, and growth is expected to continue in 2012 and 2013, buoyed by increasing iron-ore, rubber, timber, and palm-oil exports, and continuing foreign direct investment.
    The government is improving public-sector efficiency and transparency by implementing a public financial-management-reform strategy and installing information-management systems.
    During the past decade, poverty and unemployment declined steadily and the middle class continued to expand.
    Since 2001, Afghanistan’s economy has grown very rapidly. Numerous roads have been constructed and rehabilitated across the country, 7.8 million children attend school – 38 percent of them are girls, healthcare is now less than an hour’s walk for most Afghans, and about 85 percent of Afghans are using cell phones regularly. Last year, Afghanistan was ranked as the No. 1 country in the world for progress on the United Nations Human Development Index.
    Maybe you should get out more, Turk, instead making assumptions about the Third World. No pink-colored glasses are needed to be optimistic.

  160. ozone May 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    “…This [blog] is the most frightening stew of negative, paranoid, off the wall bullshit I have ever read.”
    It’s abundantly clear that you’ve not read naturebatslast.
    Hie thee hence now, but take your cross and vial of liquid hopium with you. Prepare to be well and truly frightened, if you find THIS place scary!

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  161. Janos Skorenzy May 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

    Naturebatslast is Ok but he really gets into some kind of Byronic Self Romanticism which you seem a real sucker for. Perhaps a deficit of Brainium on his part?
    If you had a real Spiritual Life you wouldn’t fall for this kind of thing.

  162. lancemfoster May 13, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    On the one hand, I had a good day helping auger post holes on my friend’s farm.
    On the other hand, there’s this:
    The Money

  163. lucky 13 May 13, 2013 at 8:33 pm #

    So now we find out that the entire Tsarnaev family (Dad, Mom, 2 sons & 2 daughters) started receiving government assistance as soon as they set foot in our country. As political refugees they were entitled to settlement assistance from day one. (Section 8 Housing, public healthcare, food stamps etc.) Then their stellar older son impregnates and marries the daughter of a doctor, and this new little Muslim family receives 18 months of government assistance. They only came off welfare after the naive young “wife” starts working 70 hours a week while husband Tamerlan stays home and builds bombs and plans to kill and injure the very Americans who have paid for his pathetic existence for the past 12 plus years.
    A Breakdown of your and my investment into the Tsarnaev Family:
    Section 8 housing
    Free public healthcare
    Food stamps and other EFT transfer payments
    Federal Pell Grants for both sons and most likely their daughters as well. (That is $5200.00 per year for each son or daughter who attended a college.)
    City of Cambridge also awarded a $2500 per year scholarship to the younger son.
    Younger son also reportedly was receiving state college scholarship.
    What did we receive for our investment:
    – Older son was arrested for domestic battery on a former girlfriend.
    – The mother was arrested last year for shoplifting $1600 in merchandise from a Lord & Taylor store. Mother is facing immediate arrest for failure to appear regarding this matter.
    – Then of course we know that the two sons combined to kill four people (3 Americans & a Chinese exchange student), severely injure 100 plus other people, carjacked another victim and only let him live when they found out that he was not an American citizen.
    – Now we have the two pathetic parents who have returned to Russia and are claiming that their poor sons are innocent and are being framed by the same American government that allowed for their pathetic existence the past 12 plus years.
    When are we going to put a stop to this madness??
    Please pass this on so we can work to change laws.

  164. lucky 13 May 13, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    Death panels!
    The earth just cant handle so many..
    I have lived a good life.

  165. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    What you fail to point out you pathetic little reactive pinhead is that that family would have never come here had not the U.S. Military Industrial Complex been involved in Muslim wars completely destroyed their home country throwing into absolute, non-stop chaos.

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  166. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

    The Military Industrial Complex reaps what it sows. If American citizens don’t want wars waged which kill and maim humans a half a world away, guess what it would be a good idea to do? Lobby Congress, organize protest marches, write your senators. But please, please don’t wring your hands over immigrants who come here on our dime when we’ve looted and burned their home countries.
    It happened in Korea. It happened in Vietnam. It happened in Iraq. Now we have Afghanistan. And we wonder why “they” hate us? Yeah, it must be that they hate us cause of our “freedoms”.
    Yeah. They wake up every morning saying to themselves, “Jeeze, those freedom loving Americans! Gosh I hate ’em! Wonder how I can fuck them up?”

  167. djc May 13, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    I was thinking of buying physical silver in person and not online. I want it in hand but thank you for the link.

  168. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    More on the “payback” the U.S. gets when it gets involved in Ethnic and religious wars overseas.
    Remember Bosnia, BITCHES???
    The CIA had their tentacles deep inside of Russia’s little ethnic wars when Daddy Raygun was your president.
    Bitches, this little shop of horrors has only just begun! Ya’all shoulda listened to yo mammys when they said to mind ya’lls own business!!!
    The American Angels have dirty little hands, my friends. And seems like everybody knows it, cept, you guessed it bitches, Mericans!!!
    Background on da Boston Bomber Boys…..
    Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev
    From Wiki
    Shortly after the Federal Bureau of Investigation declared them suspects in the bombings and released images of them, the Tsarnaev brothers allegedly killed an MIT police officer, carjacked an SUV, and engaged in a shootout with the police in the Boston suburb of Watertown, during which an MBTA police officer was critically injured and Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed. Dzhokhar was injured but escaped, and an unprecedented manhunt ensued, with thousands of police searching a 20-block area of Watertown. On the evening of April 19, Dzhokhar was found unarmed hiding in a boat on a trailer in Watertown just outside the police perimeter, arrested, and taken to a hospital.
    While still confined to a hospital bed, Dzhokhar was charged on April 22 with using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction resulting in death and with malicious destruction of property resulting in death.[5][6][7] He could face the death penalty if convicted.[8][9] Dzhohkar later admitted during questioning that they next intended to detonate explosives in Times Square in New York City and that they were jihadists who perpetrated the bombings on their own to defend Islam from attack. Dzhokhar reportedly also admitted to authorities that he and his brother were radicalized, at least in part, by watching Anwar al-Awlaki lectures.[10] ABC reported on April 23, 2013, that authorities believe Tamerlan may have been responsible for an unsolved triple homicide in nearby Waltham around the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
    Born seven years apart in different republics of the former Soviet Union, the brothers are half Chechen and half Avar.[11] They immigrated to the United States as refugees in 2002. Tamerlan was an aspiring boxer who later became a follower of radical Islam, while Dzhokhar was a student at University of Massachusetts Dartmouth who became a naturalized U.S. citizen on September 11, 2012, seven months before the bombings.
    [hide] 1 Shared background
    2 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev 2.1 Early life
    2.2 Education
    2.3 2013 Boston Marathon bombings
    2.4 After the bombings
    2.5 MIT killing, carjacking, firefight, and manhunt
    2.6 Arrest and detention
    2.7 Questioning, charges and confessions
    3 Tamerlan Tsarnaev 3.1 Early life and education
    3.2 2008
    3.3 2009
    3.4 2010
    3.5 2011
    3.6 Allegations of involvement in 2011 Waltham murders
    3.7 2012 visit to Russia
    3.8 July 2012 return to U.S., through April 2013
    3.9 2013 Boston Marathon bombings, MIT killing, and carjacking
    3.10 Death
    4 Related individuals 4.1 Zubeidat Tsarnaeva
    4.2 Katherine Russell Tsarnaeva
    5 See also
    6 Notes
    7 References
    8 External links
    Shared background [edit]
    Tamerlan was born in the Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic[12] in 1986, and Dzhokhar was born in Kyrgyzstan in 1993. Their father, Anzor Tsarnaev, is a Chechen, and their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, is an Avar.[13][14][15] The Tsarnaevs also have two daughters.[16][17][18] The brothers were born into a Muslim family.[19][20][21] Their father was a traditional Muslim who reportedly shunned religious extremism.[22]
    As children, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar lived in Tokmok in Kyrgyzstan. In 2001, the family moved to Makhachkala, Dagestan, in the Russian Federation.[23][24][25]
    In April 2002, the Tsarnaev parents and Dzhokhar went to the United States[26][27][28] on a 90-day tourist visa. Anzor Tsarnaev applied for asylum, citing fears of deadly persecution due to his ties to Chechnya.[29] Tamerlan arrived in the U.S. around two years later.[30] In the U.S. the parents received asylum and then filed for their four children, who received “derivative asylum status”.[31] They settled on Norfolk Street in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Tamerlan lived in Cambridge on Norfolk Street until his death.[32] Anzor and Zubeidat Tsarnaev both received welfare benefits.[33] The father worked as a backyard mechanic and the mother worked as a cosmetologist[34] until she lost her job for refusing to work in a business that served men. In March 2007, the family was granted legal permanent residence.[30]

  169. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    Thanks, Carol, for taking the heat while I was out of the “office”. I’m back now, BITCHES!!!

  170. bproman May 13, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    How much do you want to pay for a bag of trash.
    No digital doggy doo doo thank you.

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  171. carolnewquist... May 13, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

    I know, RIGHT!!! I feel like Henny Penny, you know, “The sky is falling, the sky is falling!”
    So I’m like, “Okay, when, bitch? When is the sky falling?”
    And they’re like, “Ummm, we’re totally not sure, but we know for sure it’s gonna fall…wait….wait…wait..for..it! Whoops, dint happen! Well, maybe we used the wrong Mayan calendar?”
    I’ve never known such a vast amount of truly stupid people who swallow every doom/gloom prophecy. They delight in running around like chicken shits, scared of the shadow of their own tail feathers!!! It really does make you laugh though, once you straighten their asses out!
    Of particular stupidity are: Janos, Lucky 13, Elethethru, Pro go corn whole yourself, Being There, ComraddiswherethefuckamIandwhothefuckamI, as well as Ozone.
    Try not to feed them. They’re trolls.

  172. cooldog May 13, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    JHK obsessives over “money” — computer blips, even as he professes to understand “true wealth”. Bullshit – he’s obsessively counting his blips like Silas Mariner — because he knows in the real world his wealth is as nothing.

  173. Shakazulu May 13, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    “which is to say setting up more dangerous behavior with more uncertain and possibly destructive outcomes.”
    The Elites will do whatever they need to do to keep stealing more money from the rest of us! This is the only desired outcome of all their actions.

  174. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 12:19 am #

    Coins or ?
    What about Platinum or Palladium?

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  175. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 12:20 am #

    The Elites will do whatever they need to do to keep stealing more money from the rest of us!
    Shaka, there are laws on the books for stealing someone else’s money. Are you sure someone is stealing your money? Do you have proof? Why don’t you put them in jail for stealing from you? Or were you just being poetic?

  176. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    Of particular stupidity are: Janos, Lucky 13, Elethethru, Pro go corn whole yourself, Being There, ComraddiswherethefuckamIandwhothefuckamI, as well as Ozone.
    Try not to feed them. They’re trolls.

  177. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 12:27 am #

    Give us more info.
    Rush L said Shillary and Obama did a commercial for alqueda blaming ‘that cheap movie’.
    And Susie lied at 5 different press conferences.

  178. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 1:23 am #

    UN Report : eating insects will help reduce world hunger.

  179. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 1:24 am #

    Gosnell guilty.

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  180. Janos Skorenzy May 14, 2013 at 1:50 am #

    I don’t know what to say. People like Turk thing it’s alright for a President to lie to the people and sacrafice American lives so he can look good. Some commentator got it right: if they started executing people on the White House Lawn, it would be fine as long as it was Whites being executed. Obama could show up at a Press Conference covered in human gore after having operated the guillotine and the Obama Zombies like Turk or Chris Matthews would still be tingling for him.

  181. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 1:55 am #

    How much did barry, shillary, susie etc engage in a coverup?
    Check the gals at WSHH.

  182. shorty May 14, 2013 at 2:51 am #

    How dare you leave that hateful racist homophobic misogynist creep Shorty off your troll list…..

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  184. ozone May 14, 2013 at 6:38 am #

    Congratulations, Crapslingers!
    You’ve crappified (tm Rhino) the blog to the point of nearly complete crappification!
    I salute your persistent pestilence.
    [snap,snap] Garcon, crap sandwiches all around!
    (Your handlers must be so proud. Got a medal for that, like the murder-at-remove, drone-drivin’ heroes, or just extra leave this month?)

  185. ozone May 14, 2013 at 6:57 am #

    …And we must ask why the “Chinese Spammer” would include a Stormfront sumpthin-or-other along with the ridiculous non-verbiage and pitches for knock-off handbags?
    Oh yes, my friends; it’s become the essence of, “baffle ’em with bullshit”. “Blind ’em with brilliance”, must be getting “too hard work” as the next gen of GW Bushies cycles through the empire’s cloaca.

  186. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 7:20 am #

    I figured the spammer was Georgia Strelnikov, and this proves it. He would be the one to link to Stormfront since it’s he and his Stormfront pals who have occupied this comments section for the past several years, spreading their message of hate. They’re rabid racists and they’ve made a concerted message to undermine JHK in the comments section. They pretend to be on board with JHK’s sentiment and then not-so-subtly twist the message to one of exclusion and hate. They are the ones who wrote the hate mail to JHK, and no doubt continue to do so.

  187. ComradeDystopia May 14, 2013 at 7:58 am #

    Carol Newquist, Asoka and Adequecio is the same dude, that the rope-a-dope.

  188. ozone May 14, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    Still, ‘Soaccio’s dedication to deception should be rewarded, don’t you think? Why, it’s almost as entertaining as Let’s Make A [Bad] Deal.
    What’ve we got for ’em behind the curtain, Johnny?

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  189. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 8:45 am #

    You have to laugh at the naturebatslast title. The guy’s (haha) a professor, or should I say former professor, and yet he doesn’t even know that humans are part of nature. Yes, I know, it’s hard to believe, but humans are natural. We’re as natural as that rock or leaf over there. We’re part of it, not separate from it. Yes, the Western world has attempted to convince all of humanity that we are distinct from nature, above it all, and that we have dominion over it, but we don’t. We are part of it, so it’s ironic for the alleged erudite over at nbl to continue the myth of human exceptionalism ’til the very end. Also, the sports analogies/metaphors are unimaginative and boring. Surely a former professor can do better than that, right?

  190. mistified May 14, 2013 at 8:47 am #

    Well, well, well. In addition to conservative groups being targeted by our esteemed IRS it has now been admitted that Jewish organizations with ties to Israel were also targeted.
    Additionally, it has now been revealed that the Department of Justice tapped the phones and executed a log sweep of all phone calls of over 20 journalists associated with the Associated Press.
    Where the fuck will this tyranny end? We shall see. It will be a long, sloggingly slow process but the corruption of this current administration will become apparent to all but the most dull among us.

  191. mistified May 14, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    Oh. My. God. I’m listening to snippets of the President’s press conference held yesterday. Our President is still claiming that the Benghazi attacks were due to the ridiculous, anti-Muslim internet movie. The movie that no one saw.
    You can’t make this shit up.

  192. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 9:14 am #

    Nobody gives a damn about corruption. It’s been overwrought by the likes of Hannity/Savage/Limbaugh/Beck and O’Reilly. They’ve managed to desensitize the masses to corruption and have made themselves quite wealthy at their idiot audience’s expense.

  193. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    No one cares about any of that, so quit beeting a dead horse already. You conservatards are so out of touch.

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  194. mistified May 14, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    “Nobody gives a damn about corruption. ”
    Wrong, fucklips. I do. And I am not alone. In fact so many care about corruption that the rest of this administration’s waking
    days will be spent in front of investigative committees. The lucky ones will escape a barred cell.
    Now this from today’s Washington Post on the the President’s declaration that he called what happened at Benghazi an act of terrorism from the very start:
    “So, given three opportunities to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question.
    In fact, as far as we can tell from combing through databases, Monday was the first time the president himself referred to Benghazi as an “act of terrorism.”
    Liar, liar….Presidential pants on fire!

  195. mistified May 14, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    “…so quit beeting…”
    By the way, moron, just how does one “beet”?

  196. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    I do. And I am not alone. In fact so many care about corruption that the rest of this administration’s waking
    days will be spent in front of investigative committees.
    Exactly. That equals nobody. Only the corrupt care about corruption, especially when they were left out of it. The rest of us, we don’t give a shit, and we are the resounding majority. We have bigger and better fish to fry. It’s Fish Night every night. Party. Fiesta. Quit shitting in the middle of the living room, misticle. Let us dance the night away. Learn to love. Abandon your hate. Be free to be funny.

  197. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    By the way, moron, just how does one “beet”?
    Ask ozone, he’s got all the answers when it comes to gardening. This is also a gardening blog, by the way, and a gun club, and an anti-immigration site. See, it’s whatever you want it to be at the moment to support your current argument. Now excuse me, but I have to go plant some vegetables.

  198. djc May 14, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    1964 coins or Silver Eagles. Platinum or Palladium are too expensive for my taste.
    The premiums are just too high when purchasing silver or gold now–again leaving aside internet dealers as I want instant ownership.

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  199. mistified May 14, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    The press has been so into Obama’s pocket that it is laughable. Now 20 AP reporters are finding out that their phones were tapped by the department of (in)justice.
    For now, I’m guessing the acolytes are in a state of denial. I can hear their rationale. “Why if we were tapped there must have been some sort of justification.” A true believer, is ready to believe almost anything. But I’m betting once the blinkers fall away you may have a few journalists that actually get a little pissed off as to how THEIR rights were abused.
    There is an old saying that you don’t want to piss off an organization that purchases ink by the barrel. We shall see. We shall see.

  200. mistified May 14, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    “The rest of us, we don’t give a shit, and we are the resounding majority.”
    How untrue. You are a majority (or more appropriately, a “moronity”) of one. People care quite a bit especially when the corruption is brought out into the light of day.
    The headlines that are currently popping are not going to go away. They are too big, too in our faces and too fucking blatant to ignore.
    Thank the lord that the press too has been violated. Maybe (and I stress maybe) now that those who supposedly report the news have been victimized the scales will fall away from their eyes and they will begin to report the rampant corruption that is occurring.

  201. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 14, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Hey, OzMan!
    I hope you see this. Shit is extra thick this week on CFN. I really appreciate your words when it comes to defining a sane disposition for considering all these issues. And thanks for the constant linkages to things useful.
    On that note, I’m trying to understand Mcpherson’s thoughts more clearly. I’ve been listening to and reading more material from him lately, but I’m interested in a better, more thorough explanation on the 10-12 runaway climate change feedback loops he mentions. His claims seem too anecdotal more than anything. Also, he talks about the end of it all (dead planet and such) by 2030. He even talks about the wipe-out of the northern hemisphere within 5 years. Could strongly supported scientific claims like these be so easily dismissed, even in the corrupt corporate media, if they were accurate?
    What’s your take?
    Thanks, bud.

  202. Treeman May 14, 2013 at 10:54 am #

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  204. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 12:13 pm #

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  208. progress4conserving May 14, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    A Brief History of (CFN) Time –
    In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was Peak Oil. And JHK studied and wrote with discernment so the Nation could understand Peak Oil. And JHK saw that understanding was good.
    Then JHK created a great blog dedicated to Peak Oil. And that blog was called Cluterfuck Nation. And a great light spread upon the land. And JHK saw that it was good.
    Then JHK opened the blog to comments. And the first of these comments was by JHK. And other great thinkers began to fill the space. And discussion and understanding and many great works filled the blog. And JHK saw (hopefully?) that it was very good.
    Then JHK wrote upon population growth due to immigration (both legal AND illegal) inside of the United States. And, verily, JHK said that such immigration should almost cease. And great was the wisdom of JHK. And the internet saw that it was very, very good. http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/07/my-tea-party.html
    But strife spread upon the blog, and one person whose name shall be forever known as “asoka..” sought to contend again JHK forevermore. And asoka..spoke in manner most vile – of “racism” where none existed. And asoka..always had the last word. And asoka..was always right, in asoka..’s small bigoted mind. And JHK cared not, for blog traffic was high and income was good.
    Then asoka..created , “ADEQUATIO,” “Carol,” and “carol….” And the Troll Trilogy began to contend against all the Nation of Coitus. And one by one, the great and wise posters left the Nation. And the Troll Trilogy cackled in glee, because a great source of discussion and understanding was silenced. And the Nation was saddened.
    And, verily I say unto you, that until JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER obtains software that shall marginalize the Troll Trilogy – the the Nation of Clusterfuckage shall be in silence and in despair. And posters of wisdom and discernment shall post less and less.
    And all will see that this is bad.
    Meanwhile, posters of wisdom and discernment can fight against population increase, by sending faxes to Senators and Congresscritters. It’s fun, fast, and FREE.
    And it is the correct thing to do.
    A member of the Troll Trilogy will now attack.
    Could there be any better proof of correctness?

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  209. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

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  210. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    Yes, and Carol’s efforts will be rewarded.

    Our Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Never does one plant a tree, but that he earns the reward of charity because what is eaten from it; and likewise what is stolen from it, what the wild beasts eat out of it, what the birds eat out of it, and what people take from it is charity for him.” [Sahîh Muslim (1552)]

    Muslims support planting trees and vegetables.
    Islam is a religion of peace.
    “We are all Muslims.” — Mayor Bloomberg

  211. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    And that blog was called Cluterfuck Nation.
    That’s weird, cuz I always thought it was Clusterfuck Nation. What is a Cluter anyway?

  212. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    And verily upon the land there fell an immoral sentiment and a great gnashing of teeth against the immigrants. The racist descendents of slaveholders tried mightily to stop others from accepting and loving the immigrants as God’s children. But, lo, the representatives of the people (called Senators) voted today, just a few minutes ago, against the Mark of the Beast. The Senators wisely have weakened current immigration law that requires Mark of the Beast biometric checks of all visitors to the USA. The wise ones thereby save the people’s money from such an expensive Mark of the Beast monitoring system and increase the chance that illegal immigrants can righteously become citizens of God’s great land.

  213. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    Meanwhile, posters of wisdom and discernment can fight against population increase, by sending faxes to Senators and Congresscritters. It’s fun, fast, and FREE.
    And it is the correct thing to do.
    And if you care to donate, please make your checks payable to Xi Jinping c/o CPC (Communist Party of China). Good night and good luck.

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  214. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 12:51 pm #


  215. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    WASHINGTON — Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) raised the stakes of her quest to find out why a single Wall Street bank has not been prosecuted in the aftermath of the financial crisis Tuesday, sending a letter to the heads of three federal agencies.
    Warren, a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs asked Attorney General Eric Holder, current Securities and Exchange Commission Chairwoman Mary Jo White and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke whether they had done any cost-benefit research into prosecuting a bank versus settling with one, which is equivalent to a slap on the wrist for a profitable financial institution.
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    “We do not have to bring people to trial,” said Thomas Curry, the head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the independent bank regulator within the Treasury Department.
    Warren then put the question to Elisse Walter, the former SEC chairwoman. Her response: “I will have to get back to you with specific information.”
    “There are district attorneys and United States attorneys out there every day squeezing ordinary citizens on sometimes very thin grounds and taking them to trial in order to make an example, as they put it,” said Warren.

  216. Janos Skorenzy May 14, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    Two points. First, foreign lobbies should be investigated and forced to register as such. And no, they shouldn’t be getting any of our money. Both real Liberals and real Conservatives agree for instance that AIPAC has FAR too much power.
    Second many Patriot groups are Pro-Israel as well, sometimes even run by Jewish dual citizens. Yes, a crazy situation. Some people want to remedy it by becoming dhimmis. That we could be something in and of ourselves and not torn between warring Semites seems to be lost in the wind.

  217. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

    Did I ever tell you how much I love you? Well, I do. You tickle me pink, and you remind of so many vibrant characters. Today, you remind me of Harold Hecuba from this 1966 Gilligan’s Island episode played by Phil Silvers. Yes, he’s a Jew. The Horror! The Horror!

  218. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    Yes, Elizabeth Warren for president in 2016, but who will her running mate be?

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  219. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

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    Amnesty Internation USA fights for immigrants’ right to education.
    Requiring proof of legal residency for anyone seeking state services – including services for victims of crime, services for the physically disabled, and enrollment in a public university is the institutionalization of discrimination against undocumented immigrants on a wide range of human rights issues.
    Oppose racism! Support human rights!
    Support Amnesty International USA!
    Defend and advance immigrants’ human rights!
    The ACLU was born in the 1920’s during the “Red Scare,” a time when then U.S. Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer was ordering immigrants summarily detained and deported because of their political views. That was the beginning of the ACLU’s long work challenging unconstitutional laws and practices to make the Constitution a living document for everyone in the country. The ACLU has defended the Constitution’s guarantees on behalf of the foreign-born and immigrants ever since.
    Upholding the rights of immigrants is important to us all. When the government has the power to deny legal rights and due process to one vulnerable group, everyone’s rights are at risk. Non-citizens are often the first and most vulnerable targets of government abuse.
    Support the ACLU!

  220. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    Buycott is available for download on iPhone or Android, making its debut in iTunes. You can scan the barcode on any product and the free app will trace its ownership all the way to its top corporate parent company, including conglomerates like Koch Industries.
    Once you’ve scanned an item, Buycott will show you its corporate family tree on your phone screen. Scan a box of Splenda sweetener, for instance, and you’ll see its parent, McNeil Nutritionals, is a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson.
    Even more impressively, you can join user-created campaigns to boycott business practices that violate your principles rather than single companies. One of these campaigns, Demand GMO Labeling, will scan your box of cereal and tell you if it was made by one of the 36 corporations that donated more than $150,000 to oppose the mandatory labeling of genetically modified food.

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  222. ComradeDystopia May 14, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Carol Newquist and Adequatio support Elizabeth Warren for President, just like Asoka. What a coincidence! And all 3 three lived together at OSHOs cult bio-terror cell compound in Oregon, at the same time. Another coincidence.

  223. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

    JHK speaks of PoMo (Permanent Open Market Operations) as if they are the only game in town. JHK regularly says we are an economy of, to quote JHK again from this week: “fake wealth, i.e. capital not accumulated from real productive activity.” This claim is demonstrably false.
    Infrastructure represents real, not fake, wealth. President Obama has pushed for greater infrastructure investments since he first took office. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 committed $105.3 billion to infrastructure investments; his American Jobs Act of 2011 would have invested $50 billion on infrastructure projects and created a National Infrastructure Bank capitalized with $10 billion; and most recently the president pushed for more infrastructure investments in his State of the Union speech and in a speech at the Port of Miami, where he praised a new tunnel project (a real tunnel, not a “fake” tunnel) and again called for creating an infrastructure bank, investing in a “fix-it-first” policy, attracting private investment through a “Rebuild America Partnership,” an “America Fast Forward” bonds program, and other proposals.
    Obama’s efforts have yielded fruits in making America stronger and making our economy stronger. What I am saying is verified by the American Society of Civil Engineers. In ASCE’s latest report card, which comes out every four years — the United States received a D+ grade, which is up from a D in 2009 and represents the first grade improvement in the 15 years the engineering organization has conducted the study.
    And none of the ASCE’s categories saw a grade decline from 2009. Bridges (real, not “fake”), drinking water, roads (real, not “fake”), solid waste, and wastewater all jumped up half a grade point, while rail (real, not “fake”) saw the biggest gains by moving up from C- to C+ … CFN loves rail, right? Where’s the love for Obama?
    The movement toward REAL WEALTH CREATION, not “fake,” is in the right direction under Obama’s leadership, and Obama is succeeding in spite of almost zero support from his opposition. That is good news, folks.

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  224. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 14, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    The Twin Sides of the Fossil Fuel Coin – Guy McPherson
    You’ve probably already seen this, but it’s new to me and is the sort of rundown of the nonlinear effects I was… lookin’ for?

  225. sotolvision May 14, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    Thanks, agree entirely with your interpretation re: the gradual decline in the quality of reader-comments! Public off-gassing appears to be clustered heavily among several CFN reader-commenters: Willful, snarling, infantile, graffiti-esque … its only aim is to disrupt and chase commenters away from this column. Possibly it’s one & same person with multiple e-mail handles. Regardless, unless the off-gassers are being paid to disrupt the CFN blog, they, too, shall pass!

  226. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

    The link JHK provides this week to the Fed strategy to exit quantitative easing (which CFN and JHK should be applauding!) makes this statement:
    “…to preserve flexibility and manage highly unpredictable market expectations. Officials say they plan to reduce the amount of bonds they buy in careful and potentially halting steps, varying their purchases as their confidence about the job market and inflation evolves.”
    In other words, they are planning to be chaotic to prevent anyone from scamming the market. I applaud this embrace of anarchy.
    All these years CFN has been bitching about how it is BAD to print money endlessly out of thin air. All these years CFN has been bitching about how quantitative easing is BAD. All these years CFN has been bitching about how economic stimulus is BAD (criticizing the BAD Mr. Krugman all along the way). All these years CFN has bitched about inflation and bitched about how their money is being “stolen” by the Fed.
    Now the Fed comes up with a plan to abandon PoMo and stop goosing the economy with “fake” money, and what does CFN/JHK do? Bitch about it.
    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The condition of paranoia and bitching is so ingrained on CFN that it doesn’t matter what is happening objectively in the world. CFN will still believe the worst. Recognize CFN for what it is: an insane and unhealthy cult.
    The CFN Cult has beliefs and practices that are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the CFN Cult you:
    “…sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don’t enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived.”
    It’s a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among the members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you’re a separate individual who must compete to “succeed” and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, buy guns, ammo, and gold to preserve your separate individual self, or otherwise you’re a “failure”.)
    Some of the CFN Cult’s beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you’re the one who’s risking madness. After all, you’d be departing from the CFN Cult’s “consensus reality” (which is what defines insanity).
    One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you’re working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you’re also being lulled back into being oblivious to the CFN Cult and its bondage.
    You’re being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed “the Consensus Trance”. He described it as “a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level… [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving…”
    Is there any escape from the CFN Cult? Sure, but here’s the paradox: to leave the Cult you’ll have to risk being seen as … joining a cult! The official CFN Cult won’t provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cult….now that’s when your family might start to ask “Hey, have you joined a cult”?
    Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop “groupthink” dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously “cultic”.
    You have been warned. I will only add that freedom from the CFN Cult is possible. You can deprogram yourself.

    My work with my sannyasins is of deprograming. There are, in America, psychologists who call themselves deprogrammers. They are not — they are reprogrammers. If some parents find their children moving into some religion other than their own, even parents are known to kidnap their children. Something unknown in the whole history of man is happening today — parents are kidnaping their own children from the Moonies, from the Hare Krishna people, and taking them to psychologists who are pretending to be deprogrammers. And what they actually do is not deprograming, it is reprograming. They erase the effect and the program of the Moonies; up to that point it’s true they are deprograming. But then they reprogram the person to Christianity if he belongs to Christian parents, or to Judaism if he belongs to Jewish parents. This is reprograming These psychologists are in the service of vested interests. They are criminals. The child was trying to escape somehow from one prison; of course he was getting into another, but at least this one was new, something to explore. At least it was not as rotten as the old. The old was just a dilapidated building ready to fall any time. At least he was moving into a new house. This was going to be a prison also but more modern, with all the latest developments: television, radio, electricity, telephone. He was not losing anything: he was neither losing the prison nor was he losing anything else. He was really gaining some new improvements in the prison system. You reprogram him, you force him back into the old house which is going to fall any moment, and you call yourself deprogrammers. Then you charge the parents. You are criminals charging for your crime. My work is exactly deprograming. I simply deprogram you. Whether you are Hindu or Mohammedan or Christian or Jesus freaks or Witnesses of Jehovah or Hare Krishna people or Moonies — whatever your kind and whatever your trademark, it doesn’t matter — I simply deprogram you. And I am not giving you any program in its place. I am leaving you alone, to yourself I don’t give you any doctrine that replaces hell, that replaces heaven, that replaces God — no. I take away everything that you are programmed with and leave you to yourself to seek and search. Who am I to reprogram you? So the first thing is: regain the rebellious spirit you were born with — which is not a program, which is your very being. The second thing: become an individual. The society tries to make you a person, never an individual. A person is one who has a personality, and a personality is a mask. Society teaches you how to sit, how to stand, how to behave, how to act in certain situations. In every possible way the society is preparing you so that you can fit with the status quo. –Osho

  227. jamesh May 14, 2013 at 4:18 pm #

    S and P 500 NEW HIGH
    Dow NEW HIGH
    U.S. households reduced debt during the first quarter by 1 percent to the lowest level since 2006, resuming a deleveraging trend in the wake of the financial crisis, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
    Deficit shrinking so fast we can barely keep up.
    Freeze those seeds! DOOMSDAY is near!
    This board is the worst.
    Most of you are quite ill.
    The crisis was 6 years ago dummies.
    The recovery is ON!

  228. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Regardless, unless the off-gassers are being paid to disrupt the CFN blog, they, too, shall pass!
    sotolvision, that is the optimistic attitude I love!
    Keep hope alive!

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  229. lucky 13 May 14, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

    ‘unless the off-gassers are being paid to disrupt the CF’

  230. ComradeDystopia May 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm #

    Hey Asoka Carol Newquist Adeqacio who deprogrammed you after Osho got dragged away in chains by the FBI, then got deported? It must have been a painful process. Or are you still a true believer?

  231. Treeman May 14, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Yes Muslims love planting things, usually with a timer or remote detonator attached.
    Their farming skills are so noted, mainly for being able to turn green lush areas into desert wastelands.
    You should go back to being Asoka you were slightly more entertaining then!
    Carol, grow some parsnips. They know good jokes and will increase your sense of humor endlessly.

  232. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    Hey, CD, sannyas is an initiation into freedom. That means freedom from doctrines, freedom from gurus, freedom from ideologies, etc.
    Or as the joke goes:
    “What is the difference between a sannyasin and a virgin?”
    Answer: “A sannyasin stays a sannyasin.”

  233. GAZ May 14, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    …..the worm grows eyes and turns into a snake… the snake grows legs and turns into a lizard… the lizard grows wings and turns into a dragon…the dragon flies into infinity.

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  234. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    LOL! Asoka is dead and I don’t think he was Christian, so there will be no resurrection!

  235. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    Isn’t it time for you to take your nap, you old fart? I bet you have someone pat you to sleep with your favorite blanket and your thumb in your mouth.

  236. GAZ May 14, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    Most people find confidence attractive and convincing in presenting ideas. Yet, it should be noted that confidence often implies ignorance or duplicity…..Nietzche
    Suck on that “Carol”

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  239. Carol Newquist May 14, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    I wonder what Nietzche would have said about corporate recruiters. I’m betting you don’t. So much for your selective Nietzche.
    But since we’re on the topic, I could swear Osho said the very same thing, but of course in a less arrogant, more loving way. I’m guessing Nietzche wasn’t very loving.
    I also wonder what Nietzche would have said about someone like you quoting him. Perhaps he would have said, “see, this is what I mean. Why do I bother?”

  240. GAZ May 14, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    Forget past mistakes. Forget failures. Forget everything except what you’re going to do now and do it. ~ William Durant

  241. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    The manipulation of Silver and Gold is but a attempt to keep the saving class from putting their wealth there while they still have it, and instead into stocks and bonds so that the Banksters can once again take it.
    I have to laugh at this. Where have you been since gold was $300/oz.? And $400, and $500, and $600, and $700, and $800, and $900, then $1,000, then $1100, then $1200, then $1300, then $1400? Like, why didn’t the saving class put their damn money into something that was clearly in a roaring bull for 10 years?
    So now it’s down a bit, all of a sudden it’s manipulation? When was there ever no manipulation?
    Manipulation is the modus operandi of all markets.
    Gold can be smashed down at will by the powerz. But shit, you coulda made a bundle since 2003. I told my parents to sell one of their two houses in put it in gold in 2004. They didn’t. And they lost over a million dollars profit.
    Fuck’s sake, you had ten bloody years.
    peace peaceniks

  242. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    i’ll throw in my lot with the anti-doomers here, things just continue to get better and better but the doomsday crew here don’t want to recognize it.
    medical technology can do miracles for you.
    communications…does anything need be said?
    food….the worlds at ur fingertips.
    internet gives you anything your interested in, plus lets you make money online at home if youre clever.
    kunstler literally thinks we should learn to plow behind a mule! go back and check his writings, he actually said that.
    he’s a semi-talented word nerd is all, but just here on this blog. his ‘books’ are junk through and through. just ghastly ‘reading’ and the storylines straight out of the Sampler’s box of cliches.
    peace peaceniks

  243. GAZ May 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    A multitude of words is probably the most formidable means of blurring and obscuring thought ~ Hoffer

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  244. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    Comrade, I want to thank you for turning the discussion back to Osho again this week. Seems you are a bit obsessed by Osho! LOL!
    Here is one thing Osho said about Nietzsche:
    “All the religions believe that God created the world and also mankind. But if you are created by someone, you are only a puppet; you don’t have your own soul. And if you are created by somebody, he can uncreate you any moment. He neither asked you whether you wanted to be created, nor is he going to ask you, “Do you want to be uncreated?”
    God is the greatest dictator, if you accept the fiction that he created the world and also created mankind. If God is a reality, then man is a slave, a puppet. All the strings are in his hands, even your life. Then there is no question of any enlightenment. Then there is no question of there being any Gautam the Buddha, because there is no freedom at all. He pulls the strings, you dance; he pulls the strings, you cry; he pulls the strings, you start murders, suicide, war. You are just a puppet and he is the puppeteer.
    Then there is no question of sin or virtue, no question of sinners and saints. Nothing is good and nothing is bad, because you are only a puppet. A puppet cannot be responsible for its actions.
    Responsibility belongs to someone who has the freedom to act. Either God can exist or freedom, both cannot exist together. That is the basic implication of Friedrich Nietzsche’s statement: God is dead, therefore man is free.
    No theologian, no founder of religions thought about this, that if you accept God as the creator, you are destroying the whole dignity of consciousness, of freedom, of love. You are taking all responsibility from man, and you are taking all his freedom away. You are reducing the whole of existence to just the whim of a strange fellow called God.” –Osho

  245. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

    Yes, lots of new jobs are being created… at car washes and burger doodle—$8/hour
    yes, because dumbasses won’t study electrical engineering or chemistry so they start out at 80K or more and are making 350k after many years of already great salary.
    yes, those subjects are demanding and tough. but if you really apply yourself you eventually reach a tipping point where you ‘get it’ and it becomes fairly self-understandable to you.
    americans are pussies though, they study SHIT and expect GÔLD wages. Study GOLD and you’ll get GOLD wages.
    like, this shit-job to shit-major isn’t difficult to understand AT ALL.
    now go back and get a masters in education and then come complaining to me about no opportunities.
    how dumbass can an entire population be?
    peace peaceniks

  246. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 7:52 pm #

    Wow, Welles, you are in fine form today!

  247. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

    But if you are created by someone, you are only a puppet
    bud stop worrying about it so much, enjoy life
    at a certain point it’s extr. healthy to say fuck it and just relax
    peace peaceniks

  248. GAZ May 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    “Carol”…. I’m okay with everything you just said about Neitzsche and I’m flattered that I gave you the idea, but you are still a cunt.
    See you next week…unlike you, I have a life.

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  249. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    What do you understand “cunt” to mean. I need your understanding to know if you are complimenting Carol or trying unsuccessfully to insult her.

  250. ozone May 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    Whew! Almost missed you amongst all the noise.
    But, yes, in that particular exposition, it’s almost like introducing the dreaded exponential factor by osmosis!
    Certainly possibilities to consider; and certainly not improbable with the feedback loops gearing up.
    (All in all, no reason not to continue doing what we’re doing until the roof blows off… by then we’ll be expecting it anyway. ;o)
    Thanks for posting that. I had a link for you as well (a discussion/interview), but lost it somewhere or another. Perhaps I’ll locate it by tomorrow, we’ll see.

  251. ozone May 14, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    Enjoyed your reading of that chapter of the Clusterfuck Chronicles.
    Throw another log on the fire and let’s hear a song about the good ol’ days. :o)

  252. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    hi asoka, nice to see you my man, we are two south american refugeeniks from the matrix, tho’ we love certain aspects of it, which i freely admit
    things are always getting better, this is my mantra (‘that’s my story and i’m sticking to it’)
    peace brother
    peace peaceniks

  253. ozone May 14, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    Oh, as to this:
    ” Could strongly supported scientific claims like these be so easily dismissed, even in the corrupt corporate media, if they were accurate?”
    Well, I would suppose that wouldn’t be too much of a problem if the various media were owned/controlled by those of the profit-above-all paradigm, would it? (We only know what we’re allowed to know?) The entire Earth is to be processed into “money”. That’s basically their creed and nothing will change our course on the road to dissolution unless power is wrested from them. (Although that’s the end result anyway, perhaps it could be stretched out to a geologic time frame instead of a couple/three human generations. Extinction happens, why hasten it?)
    Case in point:
    Take this very blog for example. Why is there such a concerted effort to refute Kunstler’s claims of fraud, chicanery, and loose confederations of collusion and riggings?? Why so many taking dumps on Jim’s living room carpet, and not leaving after having “made their point/mess”? I don’t see that on other blogs that are “unmoderated”. What’s the deal? WTF goes on here? (Makes me a tad more than mildly suspicious, even beyond my mistrusting nature mean.) What’s the big deal about what JHK does or doesn’t say? Is he nearing too many hot-button truths or opening too many eyes/minds with his entertaining approach to some distasteful subjects?

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  254. ozone May 14, 2013 at 8:55 pm #

    …I’d think that ranking on us who live within a 35 mile radius of each other for sharing a few local gardening tips and anecdotes might just be taking “divide and conquer” a bit too far. The colonel had better rein in his heroic keyboard warriors for tipping their hands. Turns to ridiculous japery are now (and have always been) subtle warnings of future cruelties.

  255. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

    We’ll always be “brothers” where that’s concerned. You left this country because the concept of “freedom” no longer exists. I “dwell” in this country because the concept of “freedom” remains in my heart and not in my physically being in the U.S.
    PEACE, my brother. and peace to all peaceniks.

  256. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

    Why so many taking dumps on Jim’s living room carpet, and not leaving after having “made their point/mess”?
    because bloodly kunstler is consistently wrong with his predictions. he’s a mayan calendar.
    he’s had his chance, how much more apocalyptic can it get than 2008 finance-wise? yet all we hear is corny tripe each week about the unravelling of the financial system, blah blah. it’s still chugging along because it’s a construct of governments that work with each other to keep it funct [the opposite of defunct].
    all we hear is the oil price is crushing the economy. economy has bounced back somewhat despite it all.
    yep we all know Uncle FED runs the show along with the banker gang, so what? live it, learn it, love it.
    play along with them. they tip their hand, bone up on their actions and ante up and make some money.
    just fucking stop with the nonsense end of the world jizz, it ain’t happening. it’s not World Made by Hand, it’s The World Moves Forward.
    if jhk were a baseball player his batting average would be .067, you know, the guy that gets one hit every 128 at bats and no one knows why he’s on the team.
    peace peaceniks

  257. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    a grand thank you and tip of the hat to you, Sir. is there anything more full of grace than fellowship between all men?
    i think i will now retire to youtube and listen to ancient christmas carols. they are so go(o)dly.
    try ‘in dulci jubilo’ and be serene…
    peace peaceniks

  258. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

    Osho RULES!!!!

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  259. ozone May 14, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    “[Economic dial-tweakings by the Fed] promote market gaming such as front-running equity prices via high frequency trading on computers, naked shorting (pretending to borrow shares that, in fact, do not exist) and the abuse of futures markets — lately illustrated in the ongoing smash of paper gold and silver contracts, with the side effect of driving yet more money into stock markets.” -JHK
    That can’t possibly be true can it?
    Here’s somebody else whose opinion should be given no credence:
    “Some readers have said “don’t bet against the Federal Reserve; the manipulation can go on forever.” But can it? As the ETFs such as GLD are drained of gold, their ability to cover any of their obligations to investors diminishes. In my opinion, these ETFs are like a fractional reserve banking system. The claims on gold exceed the amount of gold in the trusts. When the ETFs are looted of their gold by the banksters, the gold price will explode, as the claims on gold will greatly exceed the supply.
    Kranzler reports that the current June futures contracts are 12.5 times the amount of deliverable gold. If more than 8 percent of these trades were to demand delivery, COMEX would default. That such a situation is possible indicates the total failure of federal financial regulation.” -Paul Craig Roberts
    In the essay he ‘splains how the whole scam went down, but pay no attention, he’s only got the concurrence of gold investors and hedge fund managers. (They have no effect on anything, so can be easily disregarded.)
    But, who cares? The only ones who really got a super bonanza on this were the Asians and Chinese who traded oceans of worthless ‘Murkin paper for actual physical bullion. (Equally worthless of course. These are just harmless little games; think if it as “Monopoly” between nation-states.) “It’s All Good!”

  260. Shakazulu May 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    “Or were you just being poetic?”
    “And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.”
    Yes when someone takes something that is not theirs, it’s stealing. I have no power to avenge such actions, but when the time comes for justice, they will have to answer to a higher power and justice is coming by fire, smoke, and brimstone:
    “So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths.”

  261. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

    Well said, my good fellow, well said!!! And a glad tip o’ the hat back at you, sir!!!

  262. ozone May 14, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    Some twaddler sure as hell NEEDS to believe “It’s All Good” in non-sarcastic terms as he wends his way back from S. American Paradise [Confounded] into the belly of the beast. Bring a hefty stash of hopium with you and pray that Customs doesn’t confiscate it at the airport.

  263. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

    Roberts is trying to steal even more cash from American rubes like you. He’s doing it with a smirk on his face, my friend. While under your favorite “grampa Reagan” president, he followed thru on every fascist policy there ever was. And you ate it up you little bitch.
    Now Roberts is trying to shovel up some more of his bullshit only this time he’s sayin, “Um no, that stuff is wrong. We’re destroying this nation by allowing foreign governments (Israel, et. al) to buy our congress.”
    And you rubes fall for it….unbelievable!!! You guys are truly an IDIOT’S DELIGHT!! LOL!!!

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  264. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm #

    You’re deluded, as always. It would be acceptable to me if it WERE because of drugs, because usually the effect of drugs is only temporary. In your case, either you really are a brain-damaged stoner, but you’re probably mentally ill as well.
    Dude, you probably should not do drugs or alcohol. Seriously…you can’t AFFORD to lose any more brain cells….LOL!!! ROFL!!!!!

  265. carolnewquist... May 14, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    A “cunt” as you so eloquently put it, is among the most desired entities in the world. Wars are fought, fortunes are made and lost, simply because of its existence. Your making reference to me is but a mere complement. Thanks!!

  266. rube-i-con May 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    i live wherever i like because i can. i love south america, and i hate south america. same for uncle sam.
    i dont need to believe anything, i see the cold facts of things getting better.
    we’ve covered that list pretty exhaustively here before.
    they are connecting bionic arms to remaining nerves in amputees and the latter can feel again. they are implanting electrodes into blind folks scalps and they are seeing to an extent. it isnt long before the blind will see almost as well as the rest of us. do you call that needing to believe, or ‘things as things is’?
    lifespans have exploded. the internet is a fantastic tool. you can travel unimpededly to the farthest reaches of the earth, and soon, very soon, to space. is that needing to believe, or seeing things as they are?
    you ever had a shortge of food in your life? for 99% of human history it was the norm. same for deadly diseases. all eradicated for billions of people. is that needing to believe, or real palpable progress?
    go and behold the beauty of the brooklyn bridge, and the marvelous cities, and the clockwork functioning of enormous populations, and the miracle of medicine, while flying at 700 mph in a quiet jet cabin sipping on a drink and watching a movie, and tell me things are getting worse.
    i could think of lots of other plusses if i put my head to it.
    being positive has vast rewards.
    peace peaceniks

  267. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject May 14, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

    Thanks, OZ.
    The more I read and watch of McPherson the more I like. I haven’t spotted any of the dead giveaways that he’s either bat shit crazy or, even worse, working some sort of fucked up angle to profit from Doomer porn. I’ve lost interest in cats like Chris Martenson and other popular “Peak Everything” personalities because they shill too much for the gold brokers & free market ideologues.
    Back to McPherson. This northern hemisphere thing has my curiosity piqued. I’ll keep diggin’ as long as my tiny brain can stand it ;>)
    Oh, I see now you’re absolutely right about the obfuscatory Entities here on CFN. If this blog wasn’t a threat to TPTB, then particular sock puppets who claim that this blog’s purpose is a lost cause and the commentators herein are stooopid would have moved on with their own lives long ago, no?
    Oh, well. Ain’t stoppin’ me from searchin’ through poop for the diamond that the dog swallowed.

  268. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 10:26 pm #

    Oh, well. Ain’t stoppin’ me from searchin’ through poop for the diamond that the dog swallowed.
    Well said! One person’s poop is another person’s diamond… and the search is well worth the effort. There are no sock puppets here… just different perspectives being shared in love. There is not limit to the number of people we can love.

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  269. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    ^There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

  270. Beantownbill May 14, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    CFNers are now divided into two camps: the believers and the atheists – wrt peak everything. Me, I’m an agnostic in this matter because I’m not smart enough to see the future. However, the believers have one important point: why should the atheists even be here on this blog if they don’t even believe the blog’s basic premise? Why waste their time here arguing with people who won’t ever agree with them? This makes me think the believers are correct in the matter that the atheists are sockpuppets. The believers SHOULD be here because this is their place..
    Sorry to describe my input here using religious terminology, but the metaphor allows me to make my point more concisely.

  271. ozone May 14, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    Wow, was all that refutation and protestation really necessary?
    Who is this good citizen (who formerly had evinced overarching self-satisfied smugness for himself and nothing but ridicule and scorn for those of us damn fools who remained in the FUSA) trying to convince; himself or others? This crappification is getting more surreal by the day…
    You ‘people’ are accomplishing the exact opposite of division here. (I guess they didn’t tell you that might happen in the manual; these things have to be experienced first-hand. Check the index under V for “Vietnam”.) Believe what you’d like… for the time being. Good times don’t hurt me, but bad times will most definitely hurt you more than those who anticipate them. So I really don’t get what the crap-slinging is designed to accomplish other than driving the curious (and perhaps fellow-travelers) away. What? No explanation for the efforts other than, “Things are GOOD; they’re not BAD”? Pretty fuggin’ weak.

  272. ozone May 14, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    Well and easily understood, BTB. Thanks for putting it much more succinctly than I could.

  273. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 10:39 pm #

    why should the atheists even be here on this blog if they don’t even believe the blog’s basic premise?
    The blog does NOT have a premise. It has a title: Clusterfuck Nation: Comment on Current Events by the Author of “The Long Emergency”
    There are no premises specified. No rules about who can and cannot post here, how often, or about what. People like ozone, with ZERO PROVENANCE, try unsuccessfully to be gatekeepers by disrespectfully imposing their assumptions on others.
    Why waste their time here arguing with people who won’t ever agree with them?
    Is this an argument for determinism and against free will? Do you really believe human beings cannot take in new information and willingly change as a result? (That would bring into question why you are posting here! What’s the point from your perspective?)

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  274. ozone May 14, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    “I’ve lost interest in cats like Chris Martenson and other popular “Peak Everything” personalities because they shill too much for the gold brokers & free market ideologues.” -UFIA
    Me too. I have no skin in the gold game or markets, but I do think they serve as parables/examples of how the cons are worked on a gullible and under-informed populace. (Lessons to be learned, if nothing else.) I suppose he does make for a good sounding board for guests outside his area of expertise though; and a lot of the comments and commentors are thoughtful.
    McPherson really doesn’t seem to have much to gain (other than lecturing about his findings to a fearless few) from his frankly horrifying conclusions, does he? …And he’s asking more questions about how to put them in his pipe and smoke them than he has answers. Seekers identify with this dilemma.

  275. Janos Skorenzy May 14, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

    A great Man said that. Where is your attribution? What do you think it means? Don’t assume I know either. A Prophet has no honor in his own Country.

  276. Beantownbill May 14, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    Using the religion metaphor again, do you really think anyone arguing against a group of believers’ belief system, using logic, can ever change that group’s mind, except for possibly one or two individuals? I don’t think so.
    The reason I’m here is because, as an agnostic in this matter, I’m looking for convincing arguments from one side or the other to stop being an agnostic.

  277. Janos Skorenzy May 14, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

    Read Brook Adams’ “The Law of Civilization and Decay” for the economic reason why it can’t last. If it wasn’t so-connected there might be a chance. Maybe if China separates from us in time. Lord Monckton said that it was in the process of doing so. Basically, the Economic Elite drive Civilizations into the ground for personal and class gain. Then they move on or somtimes get squashed by their own karma.
    Of course the advanced tech makes this uncharted waters to some extent. But the Tech and Production in Roman Areas fell as Rome fell – very steeply in fact.

  278. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    Agnosticism seems a very comfortable position to occupy. Why would you want to be swayed by true believers of any persuasion? As an agnostic one can enjoy CFN for its entertainment value. I sure do.

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  279. Beantownbill May 14, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    I believe this blog does have a premise: that our current way of life is unsustainable. The current events commentary by JHK is to prove that point.

  280. adequatio May 14, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    To all CFNers who screamed about the “deficit” during the 2012 election campaign, here is some more good news:
    The Congressional Budget Office study predicts a 2013 budget deficit of $642 billion, more than $200 billion below its February estimate. CBO says higher tax revenues and better-than-expected bailout repayments by mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the key reasons for the improved outlook. The deficit picture is expected to continue to improve next year and beyond.

  281. Beantownbill May 15, 2013 at 12:05 am #

    Nah, the subject matter is too serious for me to consider it entertainment; that would be frivolous, IMO. Actually, I find agnosticism very uncomfortable, but I am that way because my experience has shown me I need to have a high standard of proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and being able to predict the future of our civilization is pretty extraordinary. When I finally collect all the evidence I need to make a decision, I will.

  282. Beantownbill May 15, 2013 at 12:11 am #

    This is a good example of why I need extraordinary evidence. Predictions are not extraordinary evidence. Especially when they come from an organization (the federal government) which has been shown to manipulate statistics, and has been demonstrably incorrect a fair number of times in the past.

  283. adequatio May 15, 2013 at 12:17 am #

    So the NTE site did not convince you that near term extinction is on the schedule for later this year? LOL!
    Of course, there can be no high standard of proof that catastrophic events are going to happen in the future. About the future we can say nothing. (Black swans… or White swans… could intervene… who knows?)

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  284. Beantownbill May 15, 2013 at 12:34 am #

    Convince is a strong word. Let’s say I have to consider it. It is very difficult for me to have to devote considerable mental energy on such a horrific subject.

  285. bvksheg3fd May 15, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    ‘s civil aviation, flight attendants upper age limit shall not exceed the age of 50 – which also means, has been flying for 32 years, she will want to say goodbye to the blue sky from this. Li Xiuqin Shenzhen Special Economic Zone to the age of the departure of the flight attendants, but also the Shenzhen Special Economic Zone is the oldest of the flight attendants. From earliest Miles 2, IL-14, IL-18, Ann 24 Figure 154 Su-series aircraft to Boeing 707,hogan outlet,757,777 U.S. Department of aircraft to the Airbus 319,louboutin pas cher,320,321, 330 other European aircraft 32 years, Li Xiuqin almost to the mainstream of China’s civil aviation airliner flying over and over. The thrilling flight stewardess career of 32 years, leaving Li Xiuqin most thrilling flight, she participated in the successful disposal with hijackings. One day in 1979, Li Xiuqin where the Civil Aviation Authority Antonov -24 Chengdu carried Chongqing – Guiyang – Guilin – Guangzhou route,longchamp. Duty five-member flight crew, cabin service, flight attendants,ray ban, only two: a flying crew chief of the two years, just half a year with his debut Li Xiuqin. The aircraft took off from Guilin, a man from Guiyang boarding,hollister, suddenly handed Crew long a letterhead, above densely filled with words. Purser smiled and took the letterhead,toms outlet, but only read two lines smile turned into a akishimo. Crew chief Li Xiuqin secretly aside, serious and told her, “passenger with a bomb!” Inexperienced Li Xiuqin kinda wonder bomb Why he had security does not pay out The purser Yadisangzi Road “He asked us to fly overseas, such as do not reply within five minutes, it is necessary to blow up planes.” The purser the matter quickly communicated to the unit, the unit side emergency notification ground,ray ban, side decided to keep the original route not changed. The action soon make the division of labor — captain man-made airplane turbulence interference hijackers,abercrombie pas cher; crew chief is responsible for monitoring the hijackers, and try to ease their tension; Li Xiuqin is responsible for observing the passengers and there are no accomplices, and ready to collusion purser,ray ban pas cher. The purser and Li Xiuqin face dripping with cold sweat, stop looking for an excuse to hijackers delivery of water to drink, and took the opportunity to strike up a conversation. The hijackers silent, his hands have been on the black briefcase on the front, five minutes later, the bomb did not explode. Tens of minutes later, the plane landed safely at the Guangzhou Baiyun Airport, straight slide into the head of the runway does not open until the next customer. In the hijackers attempted to machine instantly mixed in with ordinary passengers under ground guards with the crew, in one fell swoop threw himself captured. “Monthly income” is 6.5 yuan now whenever people talk about the flight attendants, often with high-income groups linked, you may not believe in the eighties of the last century, the income of the flight attendants have not a high average worker. Li Xiuqin said, she was just on the plane, a month can only get an allowance of 6.5 dollars per month in addition to a little bonus, 5,6,7 dollars ranging from three grades, but also decided by democratic appraisal So together, up to a month, but 13.5 dollars. At the time, which is less than half the wages of ordinary workers. In the 1980s, Li Xiuqin by the military establishment to a place where the Civil Aviation Chengdu Authority crew team, treatment also divert a place in line. Li Xiuqin income subsidized by the Force into formal wage increased to 38 dollars per month, another month there are a few dollars bonus,oakley outlet. Really hope we can continue to fly down the Li Xiuqin is transferred to the Shenzhen Branch of China Southern Airlines in June 1992 from Southwest Airlines, a group of flight attendants of the Shenzhen Special Economic Zone. To Shenzhen,hollister, Li Xiuqin age had a 40-something, which at the time is quite rare, and physical conditions are not prominent Li Xiuqin how continuation of her miraculous career life mileage it Li Xiuqin will be attributed develop good habits early years in the army atmosphere, Li Xiuqin said that the past 32 years, she was up early every day running,ray ban, plus their own practice as a recruit Aircrewman and other related projects, and develop good timing routines of life habits. All of these create the the Jiankang physique Li Xiuqin long-term to maintain flight status,louboutin. Until the first half of this year, nearly 50 years old, she still, and the group of younger than 20-year-old young man the same training jump slide. “If not the age, I really wish I could fly down.” Said Li Xiuqin smile. Yangcheng Evening News reporter Feng Lin Song Wang Qun Zhou Min the correspondent Xu Xu Geng Xianyan (from the bottom of Shenzhen)

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  286. adequatio May 15, 2013 at 1:13 am #

    I am convinced of the inevitability of our death. Humanity has now crossed numerous irreversible climatic thresholds. Near term extinction (NTE) of most of life within the next several decades in unavoidable. NTE is a certainty, and our existence on this planet as a human species is about to end. Life will go on. The planet will go on, but without us. This is not a problem, is it? There have been several previous NTE events.
    You will probably not be affected given an arrival date of NTE in “decades,” considering your age. Plus your socio-economic status will protect you.
    There are those who think we will suffer by witnessing the suffering of others. Really? Let’s test that statement: did you suffer when flooding covered a large percentage of Bangladesh and killed over 5,000 people and destroyed 7 million homes? Do you remember the worst year in Bangladesh flooding? OK, so maybe we won’t suffer by witnessing NTE events. They are already happening. And most people are oblivious, not suffering.
    Worry about NTE cannot change anything. Contemplating the horror of NTE cannot change anything. Accepting or denying NTE cannot change anything. But an unhealthy preoccupation with doom and disaster can contribute to losing your ability to enjoy the present moment, effectively losing your life before your physical death.
    Waiting for a high standard of proof that the future holds NTE is folly, IMHO. We already have that. There is already a scientific consensus. Precursor NTE events are already happening.

  287. stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:17 am #

    Mom, I’m home. you told me to wake you when I got in. I just got back from NOHO and the Project Object show at the Iron Horse. I do have to tell you you the show was incredible. Now go back to sleep. Goodnight.

  288. stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:22 am #

    Oh Mom, I didn’t mention that at one point there were four guitarists on stage trading licks, and the stage is maybe only 15 ft. wide, I am surprised nobody lost an eye. OK, sorry go back to bed now, I am home safe and sound.

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  289. adequatio May 15, 2013 at 1:31 am #

    BTB, take note.

  290. stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    Here is a link to a similar performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF3odrUDOjA
    We had beers and dinner just about from this table tonight,differant night though. . Northhampton is the kind of town JHK talks about. This is a small 200 seat cafe with food and drinks in a smallish town. Loaded with culture and walkable. Art,music,dining, theatre, etc.etc.

  291. stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:52 am #

    Sorry, my bad. Not this table but the same proximity and angle.

  292. vgt7h82h7 May 15, 2013 at 2:33 am #

    ‘s Hospital orthopedic bed. Their families, Huang Zhiqiang until noon on August 31, out of danger from the ICU to the general ward. Reporter saw Huang Zhiqiang pale, thick bandage wrapped around his left arm and left leg, two catheter under his body, one used to catheterization, and a export bloody liquid. The family said Huang Zhiqiang back there a stab wound. Huang Zhiqiang awareness has been sober, but can not remember the evening of August 29,ray ban uk, he cut into “blood” scene,ray ban. Huang Zhiqiang is the root cause of the town Hang Village,ray ban, her mother working in the field, heard his son was chopped back to Gaozhou care of her son. She said, according to the boss of her classmates asked his son, and the night his son to drink ice food stalls,hollister, roughly understand what happened. “On the evening of August 29, also put the summer home of Chi to junior high school students may be home to play later they phoned classmates Wu Huixiong yuanba village committee, similar to the root cause of a market by drinking ice three students in a night the night stalls drink ice, the next table sat about eight young men drinking supper may too noisy gang of young men, three students someone look them a result caused their discontent,abercrombie, ready to leave, this gang of young men suddenly pulled out a gun and a knife, a knife to cut into the Chi strong ‘blood’, Wu Huixiong hurt the back of the head, Xiao He recognition of this gang, survived,ray ban. ” Huang Zhiqiang mother said, Huang Zhiqiang and Wu Huixiong be sent to the root cause of the hospitals in the town, due to serious injuries, ambulance to the high-City People’s Hospital. Wu Huixiong hindbrain suspect was shot, and later confirmed each other with beer bottles wounded, so he was discharged home on August 31 rest. Huang Zhiqiang mother says son’s good grades,toms outlet, often is the first in the class conscious Huang Zhiqiang told her never know this group of people. “I was with pistols to withstand head” Reporters rushed to the root cause of the town of Lampang village committee to find how small. The Xiao He says, the evening of August 29, he and Huang Zhiqiang after playing basketball about Wu Huixiong out drinking ice. Was probably around 21:00 in the process of drinking ice next to the table late night gang of young men said the small how 3 people can not see them,oakley, but when they are ready to “asking for trouble”, where there is one person they know Xiao He asked These are not small Ho’s friend, Xiao He said, “Yes” after they left. Xiao He said: “It was their attitude is not bad nor quarrel,ray ban pas cher, can not think why suddenly these things happened.” Subsequently, the reporter to find another client at the root cause of the town yuanba village committee Wu Huixiong. Wuhui Xiong said, afterwards,ray ban, the other was also said that three of them drinking, but they refused to not drink. Later, this group of young men before checkout,mulberry outlet, but few went supper file “acquaintance” table drinking. Wu Huixiong ready during checkout, few people do not know why it around with him,ray ban. “I was with homemade pistols against the head can not move, while others knifed Huang Zhiqiang hands, feet and back, the whole process less than 1 minute, and they ran away.” Wu Huixiong said, hindbrain endured a beer bottles, to the hospital several sewing needle. The police said the case has not yet qualitative small any supper stalls the boss Huang Zhiqiang, Wu Huixiong taken to hospital after some alarm, that night, he went to the police station recorded confessions. Only the day before yesterday, the reporter interviewed, Huang Zhiqiang, Wu Huixiong no one looking for them to take a statement. The parents of Huang Zhiqiang, Huang Zhiqiang hurt to live in the ICU ward, but no forensic come to do the identification. Huang Zhiqiang parents of young men of this gang of murderers had been recognized,louboutin, but the root cause of the police station has not been able to capture of the murderer to justice, even in the case occurred a few days later, and the understanding of the merits of the families said the case has not yet qualitative. The day before yesterday afternoon, the reporter to the root cause of the police station to understand the situation, a police told reporters that the director has to go out to a meeting, this case does not yet caught the suspect, but not grab, went to the suspect’s home,mulberry, but they are not at home .

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  294. kso9g79861 May 15, 2013 at 3:15 am #

    ‘clock noon yesterday, the people passing by Mr. Yi Jian Guo Men Nei Avenue front of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, stopped. “A little boy with a plastic rope tied to the side of the road. Looking five-year-old, next to a few pieces of paper with the words ‘children suffering from encephalitis, hope good people to shelter,'” Mr. Yi said. A number of eyewitnesses, the boy was tied to the iron fence, cry no trouble, just giggle. Passer-by handed over a bottle of water, the boy pick-up “Gudonggudong” drink a bottle. Some alarm, 110 civilian police take their children away. The boy’s mother allegedly had with their begging Jianguomen police station introduced,mulberry outlet, the boy can not speak,???????, no more clues belongings, his family said the boy was born in 2002, suffering from encephalitis money for treatment in a message on paper only. In the police station,louboutin pas cher, two members of the public about 3 days ago,louboutin pas cher, had seen the boy with his mother near Campbell Street begging, “his mother more than 30 years old, the darker skin head is not high,hollister, already pregnant, sitting on the ground begging. “Yesterday afternoon, the police station two police and a security turns according looked at the boy,mulberry, the rest of the police patrol to try to find his family. “Do not know the child’s name, country of origin and other information, plus parents intend to give up the children, looking for a greater degree of difficulty,mulberry,” a police said. The police station, a responsible person,hollister, If you can not find the boy’s parents, he will be sent to the minors temporary relief protection center, to be linked to the family and then return. ? argument boy family suspected of the crime of abandonment Jianguomen police station said, knowing that children younger illness, can not live independently, family still insisted abandoned, have been suspected of violating the provisions in the Penal Code the crime of abandonment. No money to treat the child can seek rescue the child thrown into the side of the road, which is irresponsible for children, subject to liability. “The police said, will first search for the child and family, whether held accountable for their criminal liability by procuratorial organs to be identified. ? Close-up boy saw someone get up immediately after the post-boy upper body wearing a wool waistcoat, seems to be extremely mast adult clothes piecemeal, pants jeans,air jordan pas cher, trousers rolled several Road. Despite eight years old,hollister, but only 1.2 meters tall, very thin, big eyes, whenever grinned,mulberry outlet, exposing a row of small excluded teeth. “He used in conjunction with a spoon to scoop food to eat will not.” Female police said, shaking his head, a police station, the police side to rice, the boy Fanpen in his arms, but I could not eat. The police had to feed him with a spoon full to eat a large pan. After dinner, the boy began running around not stop a moment, occasionally “Iraq Yeah Yeah Yeah” screaming. Take advantage of people do not pay attention, he secretly drink half a bottle of Coke all the rest of the public to act. Holding a Coke bottle, he will bite a twist, happy smile. Back, do not go out “,mulberry,” to sit down “… despite not speak, but similar brief spoken boy can understand. Whenever someone speak or touch his head towards him, he grinned. Once up, he closely followed, do not want to let people go.

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  295. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 7:33 am #

    I believe this blog does have a premise: that our current way of life is unsustainable. The current events commentary by JHK is to prove that point.
    Are you making the mistake the Usual Suspects here repeatedly make, and that is conflating the commentary with JHK’s themes and sentiments? The two are mutually exclusive, and any overlap with a Venn Diagram analysis is purely coincidental. The comments don’t necessarily support JHK’s views, and for certain, the actions advocated by the many racists in the comments section in no way are reflective of JHK’s message or character. Honest people are able to readily see that and make that assessment without any effort. Dishonest people, or people lacking the capacity for critical thought and evaluation, can not, or will not, see that and proceed accordingly.

  296. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 7:37 am #

    Beautifully said. I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, it’s as though you’ve plucked it directly from my mind. Sometimes you frighten me in a Robert Anton Wilson kind of way, meaning a good way. Fright, so long as you don’t allow it to paralyze you, is not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t shrink from the fright, but rather walk straight into it to explore its cause and dimensions. It’s an incredibly liberating experience, and it never fails. NEVER. And, it sure beets the alternative, don’t you think?

  297. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 7:45 am #

    A “cunt” as you so eloquently put it, is among the most desired entities in the world.
    I know I’ve always had an incredible attraction to a properly taken care of one. Of course, to call it a “cunt” is libelous. Pussy is a much better expression and much more animated than the Latin word for it, Vagine.

  298. fqix6y42 May 15, 2013 at 8:01 am #

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The train was crowded, he can only sleep in the aisles, inadvertently the nook edge of the others stool below, found a magazine published entrepreneurial story of Asia’s richest man Li Ka-shing. See Li Ka-shing streets start at the beginning and sold message, have been in the small teahouse waiter, and finally to overcome the difficulties and hardships, as Asia’s richest man, Gao Galaxy emotions: as long as the hard work, the poor boy can be turned wealthy businessman! To Beijing, Mr. Gao Galaxy working in a diner. After more than a year, due to the demolition, a small restaurant also will disappear. So Gao Galaxy relying on what he learned the craft of seafood, and find other restaurants. Once and cook in the oven stage, Gao Galaxy accidentally,mulberry outlet, boiling oil burns, that the boss is afraid to assume responsibility, gave him thousands of dollars, he sent. Astute Gao Galaxy thought: rather than to work for others to earn hard-earned money, not as good as their own boss. 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The boss is not at home, you can easily when the driver “Several young people casually. “May easily noon they eat noodles.” Gao Galaxy answer. In the eyes of these young people, the Mercedes car parked outside in all likelihood is the big boss, Gao Galaxy looked so young, another person in eating noodles, there is no doubt the driver. The same time, in order to accumulate contacts, he was the president of Zhejiang University courses, honest face, eloquence and even Gao Galaxy became the squad leader. Many students became his future “borrow” money goal, the victim Chen Yan is one. To the time of the incident, Gao Galaxy has not been closed down. At the same time, he established in Tonglu Tonglu, Anhui Chamber of Commerce and served as president. 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Hand the money, they immediately used to repay the debt of the Humou, Sheng et al. 10 days later, Gao Galaxy failed to timely repayment, Chen Yan repeatedly bombarded with his, Gao Galaxy are a variety of reasons perfunctory, to delay repayment. The Chen Yan anxious, rushed to Hangzhou asking him for money, forced Gao Milky Way, Dongnuexijie also Chen Yan 330 million. At this point, Chen Yan He began to doubt, Gao Galaxy personal assets will investigate and found his property and cars on October 9, 2009 by the the Tonglu County Court seized his name when the borrower has not a text, and borrowed money is not used to make the coal business. Chen Yan realized that Gao Galaxy are driving a BMW, Mercedes and other luxury cars to to Jinyun find her, opened in the late ordinary cars. She knew she was cheated, so he reported to the police. Media will I worth Scoop 5 billion on May 7 this year, Gao Galaxy has been under criminal detention, was arrested on June 11. 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  301. Smokyjoe May 15, 2013 at 8:23 am #

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    Yeah. When you think of QE, however, it’s time to shudder.
    I’m selling a little bungalow in town now, and it should go fast. The realtor, a reality-based dude who manages rentals, buys and sells small urban homes, and avoids the MacMansion market, says “sell now. Another Bubble is going to burst.”
    He’s a family member, too. And he called the last Crash perfectly.
    His notion is that while mortgages are harder to get and rightly so, those who can get them are buying WAY more house than they should, because rates are low. Some of these are ARMs, and the Fed cannot keep rates low forever. In a few years, today’s 4000+ sq. foot OSB-and-vinyl palaces are going to get a lot more folks in trouble as soon as someone loses a job.
    Which they will. The other realtors think he’s insane. They did in 2008, too.

  302. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 8:25 am #

    I see you’re still at it Pro Go Corn Hole with your Chinese spamming strategy developed under the auspices of NumbersUSA no doubt. Make sure you sign up today folks, and have NumbersUSA send out some Chinese spam on your behalf. What a class act you all are, and I mean that in more ways than one.

  303. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 8:30 am #

    the Fed cannot keep rates low forever
    Why not? Is there some irrefutable law of physics that says the Fed cannot keep rates low forever? If so, please link to it. Otherwise, it seems rather obvious to me that the Fed can do whatever it wants whenever it wants regardless of you or anyone else issuing baseless rules of what’s possible and not possible.

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  304. ComradeDystopia May 15, 2013 at 8:47 am #

    Check out top of front page article about USA oil production in todays IBD. IEA issued report Monday calling Current and Future US oil production a ‘game changer’, that would topple OPEC and make USA number 1 world producer, all thru fracking. Also claims world demand at 110m/bpd by 2035, which will be easily met, with about a 9m/bpd cushion.
    This is the most optimistic report yet. These are people who supposedly know what they’re talking about. According to them the price will soon begin to fall and supplies will be plentiful for the next 50 years. And they had the graphs and charts to prove it.

  305. ozone May 15, 2013 at 8:54 am #

    That’s some very canny thinkin’ there.
    It has been [very strangely] written:
    “Divest thyself of thine bungalow whilst thou canst still gain some small increase thereby.”
    Verily. We removed ourselves from Comrade-in-Chief’s area in 2006. The shimmering always-goin-up bubblicious housing market did, in fact, go up a bit further, but we were quite happy with what allowed us to get good and gone and build a new place to our own specs. We were lucky, BUT we had also done our research and took a hard look at our once and future costs and maintenance. That’s what did the dastardly deed.
    Keep it movin’!

  306. adequatio May 15, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    Also claims world demand at 110m/bpd by 2035, which will be easily met, with about a 9m/bpd cushion.
    If true this means we are not at peak oil yet.

  307. ozone May 15, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    If you glean this, here’s a piece of what we were hinting at regarding comments:
    The “fact” of the matter is not in dispute. What is intriguing is the thoughts of different folks regarding the reasons and motivations behind it. Personally, I don’t understand why motive is not of more concern to most people. It’s the nub of the political sphere, and has very real consequence.
    (Just an example, as neither of us probably has anything to gain or lose by the subject at hand, nor would have even the slightest influence on it.)

  308. ozone May 15, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    I might not be “investing”, but all I can say is, “burn, baby, burn”. ;o)
    Does this mean Happy Motoring for the entire world and JetsonMobiles to come?!? Oh frabjous day; callou-callay!

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  309. Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    We removed ourselves from Comrade-in-Chief’s area in 2006.
    It’s true folks, we caught ozone’s move on tape. This is what made America great. People like ozone didn’t have to shelter-in-place. Not yet, at least, but maybe in the future the Fed will announce its new plan, PSIPO (Permanent Shelter-In-Place Operations), to take the place of POMO.

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    Some critics have said the military’s use of drones, furthered by Tuesday’s tests, create concerns over the development of systems that could become weaponized and have less and less human control over launching attacks.
    Human Rights Watch has called for a pre-emptive prohibition of the development and use of any unmanned systems that carry weapons and are fully autonomous.
    While current models, like the X-47B, retain some level of supervision over decisions whether to use lethal force, the group predicts that fully autonomous weapons could be developed within decades that select and engage targets with no human intervention.
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    -Sammy Adams, denizen of the New England Region for Mutual Assistance and Support, and purveyor of passably good beers and ales, since awhile.
    (Coming soon! “Mary-Hoochie Hooch” Fall [into torpor] Pale Ale. Label artwork will feature Salome puffing on a hookah, in all her jeweled and veiled splendor.)

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  • ozone May 15, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    Speaking mass mercantile…
    Why does Costco think this would be a profitable product line?
    Costco, The Merchants of Dooooooooooooooom!

  • ComradeDystopia May 15, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Yes, that’s exactly what it would mean, Adequetacio: peak oil is not here yet and may be decades if not centuries off into the future. That’s what the overwhelming consensus seems to be in everything that I read, every day, which JHK pointed out a few weeks ago.
    If that is indeed the case its not even worth worrying about. Let the future take care of itself, that’s what I say. I’ve got enough to worry about working these double shifts at night, trying to drive home in the morning without falling asleep at the wheel and crashing into a telephone pole.

  • ComradeDystopia May 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    One pretty comical thing, tho … the paper I work for, a big Lib Stronghold whose main cause seems to be encouraging men to marry men and women to marry women all across the country, plus obfuscating the truth about street crime in our cities and who is committing these crimes, is for sale, and get this, might be bought by the Koch Brothers. I was upstairs in the offices 2 nights ago busting their balls over it. “Party is over, Suckers”, was my line.

  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    So print newspapers are a good investment? And the Koch brothers recognize a gold mine?

  • ozone May 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    HoHO! I’d heard this, but pressroom scuttlebutt is a pretty solid clincher, isn’t it?
    Here’s further bloviation about the matter:
    WTF, Matt?? The UNIONS can and should stop this? What comfortable cocoon have you ensconced yourself in that some selective realities no longer intrude?
    The Big Scary [busted] Unions, indeed. It is to guffaw.
    CD, what’s your ‘local’ done for you lately?

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  • ozone May 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    You DO scoot down Boulevard to Capitol (jug-handle at the highway entrance), do you not? Not sure it’s quicker (probably not) but it might be safer due to lower speeds. Stay safe and as alert as you can!

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    It was someone like CD who hit this poor slob dribbling his soccer ball to Brazil. Oh well, one less person helps reduce the over-population issue, so it’s not all bad.
    Dribbling a soccer ball can be hazardous to your health
    If all goes well, the Koch brothers when they buy CD’s newspaper will can his ass and hire two illegals in his place so they won’t have to pull double shifts. The illegals will work hard for a quarter of CD’s inflated salary and they won’t spend it on niceties like lamb chops. This will give CD more time to devote to CNF which is his real passion anyway.

  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    The Koch Brothers are not good people. They promulgate a cheap revisionist verson of Americana, complete with mass immigration and wars for Israel. Under their Neo-Con tutelage, we spread this fake Corporate American Culture abroad even as they seek to destroy any vestiges of the real America at home. You are very easy to fool. Because of people like you, we are a virtual colony of Israel.

  • stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Carol Newquist you are really an asswipe, a guy gets killed by accident and you use it as an excuse to diss someone. It was a tragic ACCIDENT, not a hit and run. The driver stopped. Oh, I forgot to mention, besides an asswipe you are a total DICKWAD!

  • stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Carol, I forgot to mention. About dribbling soccer balls. The only good part of your pathetic life dribbled down the crack of yo’ mamas smelly ass onto a roach infested shitbag hotel room mattress. How ’bout you back there and try to retrieve the other 99% of your brain. It is probably still there, although a little crusty.

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  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    You truly are a vulgarian, Mr. Good With His Fists. If only you were as good with words.

  • stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    “Ah, Glasshopper, Remember the words of the great Chin Zou, Carol Newquest is a pussy, and not a cat.”

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    I bet it was a real dilemma for you choosing between your current screen name and The Breakfast Club. I guess since you really are a man in motion, St. Elmo’s was always the logical choice, if you can call it logic.

  • stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

    Carol 1% brain, Stelmosfire refers to a strong electric field in the atmosphere caused by nature. I have seen it and it is impressive.

  • stelmosfire May 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    Pissin’ match over I win 0/Love.

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  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    Bullshit, you moron, it was your favorite movie you sissy. At least man up and admit it. It sucked, too, but it defined a generation just as it’s defined your superficial, sorry ass.

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    I’m guessing this is what you do when you have to face a black opponent in the ring because you know pound for pound a black man will kick your ass ten times out of ten. Max Baer and Joe Louis anyone? Louis proved that braggart white thugs like you can’t fight worth a crap.

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    Chomsky endorses Albany, NY ‘Stop $30 Billion Military Aid to Israel’ billboard

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    I support it too, but I think it would be better placed on Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    I’m at one of those rare moments in my waking life when a television is on nearby and there was this commercial just on that asked the viewing audience:
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    *Better performance?
    *More repeat performances?
    UM…if I took that my wife would run for her life!
    NO!! Want all that? Stop watching fucking television and get outside!
    Sorry. Proceed at flank speed.

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  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    Yeah, the commercials these days are surreal and ironic. Take this Cheese Nips commercial, for example. I find it hilarious, but these characterizations are so true to life it’s really not satirical, or satirical is now the new normal. The guy who sits on the Cheese Nips bag reminds me of Rhino. I envision him to have been just like this in his vaunted corporate environment.

  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    Grow wings like this:
    The Beautiful Ones are not yet born.

  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm #

    Interesting handle, tripticket.
    Once was a poster, trippticket here, but he used a double “p” in his handle.

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    Good catch. I thought I was responding to the double p, but what is also weird is that there was an adequatio with a dot at the end who posted the other day and when someone called that poster on something he/she posted, you responded on the adequatio dot’s behalf. Why did you do that? I understood you to not be the dot, and yet you said nothing about that the other day, and instead responded for the dot. These are strange days indeed.

  • Rhino May 15, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    No less a luminary than your favorite economics Nobel Prize winner, Paul Krugman, Mr Debt-Denier himself, is out there trumpeting twaddle. Like in a NY Times article where he wrote – and I’m not shitting you – “debt does not directly impoverish us, because it’s money we owe to ourselves.”
    Krugman again: “…did America really put itself $30 trillion in hock to someone else? No, some Americans lent to other Americans, which is a very different issue.”
    Oh, well, excuse me, my mistake.
    Krugman says: “Now, just to be clear, I’m not saying that complex shadow banking is harmless. (no, of course not – my comment) Far from it: like LBOs, it shifts risk around, and as it turns out the concentration of risk made our economy much more fragile than it used to be. That’s a big deal.”
    More fragile? You don’t say.
    And then Krugman says: “But it’s not at all the kind of big deal the debt scolds would make it out to be.”
    Is that so? I’m glad the Perfesser is here to tell us these things. So the financial conflagration in ’08 was no biggie? If this intra-American indebtedness and resulting economic fragility was no big deal then how did ’08 happen? And 30 trillion? No big deal?
    Folks, the re-writers of history are upon us. And man are they spinning. When you’re downplaying numbers like 30 trillion you’re spinning on a cosmic scale (go big or go home, right?). Do they give out prizes for this sort of thing?
    But let’s follow this line of thinking. If “it’s money we owe to ourselves” then maybe a default on US government debt would be no big deal either. I mean, right pocket, left pocket. Right? Would you repay you if you owed you money? Of course not. And besides the US federal debt is only what, 16 trillion? Relax, don’t be a debt scold. I mean, if 30 trillion is no big deal…
    So, can you picture the US government announcing that there will be no more payments on outstanding US debt? Because, it’s money we owe to ourselves. Mr Krugman, the Nobel Prize winner, says so.
    Can you picture it? No? I can’t either. Why? Because big-time moneymen are owed a lot of that money. Main Street gets hosed, not Wall Street.
    For the sake of argument, let’s look at this “we owe it to ourselves” stuff. And let’s say the government hoses Main Street. Suddenly the check – to retirees, employees, contractors – ain’t in the mail. They don’t get the money they’re owed because, well, we owe it to ourselves. Understand? No? Neither do I.
    Somehow I doubt that this stuff about “we owe it to ourselves” will cut much ice at the local Safeway when the government employee or retiree shows up moneyless: You want groceries? You pay. No money? No groceries. What do you think the finance company will say about car payments? You want to drive? You pay. No money? You walk.
    Oh, right, they can always get Ben to print money. No worries about the US government not paying.
    Yes, they can always get the ever willing Ben to print more. Which brings up a question. If printing this 85 billion per month is OK, then why isn’t 150 billion a month better? Or 300 billion? Or a trillion.
    I mean, what the hell, dispense with all taxes altogether. Why not just get the Fed to print money to pay for everything. Go nuts. Have a real party. Live high. Why not? If Paul Krugman thinks it doesn’t matter, then it doesn’t matter. You can go through the ritual of issuing T Bills and have the Fed buy them if you like. But we all know it’s just a ritual. Because it’s never going to be repaid. But it’s no big deal. Because it DOESN’T MATTER. Because, supposedly, it’s money you owe yourselves.
    Mr Krugman is talking shit. Only he would know why.
    Maybe Mr Kunstler is right. Maybe the Fed really has no idea what it’s doing. All those expensive educations and for what? They print money because that’s all they know how to do. And they haven’t got the foggiest fucking clue how this all ends.

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  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    Good catch. I should have made the point that adequatio dot is not me, but I have done that so much. It is tiring to point out the imposters every week. Also, I would have had to point out that adequatio dot was not posting his own stuff, he was plagiarizing stuff from the dead Asoka. It just seemed like too much typing, so I responded to the content… but you are right that I am not adequatio dot. It was laziness on my part.

  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    If printing this 85 billion per month is OK, then why isn’t 150 billion a month better? Or 300 billion? Or a trillion.
    Nice straw man you have erected, Rhino.
    The whole point of JHK this week is that the Fed does not think it is “OK” to print $85 Billion per month and has a strategy to stop the practice.
    My question is why does this upset JHK and you? The Fed wants to stop QE and you guys are complaining?
    Does not compute.

  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    Fred Reed has some good ideas on how to limit the vote to those truly worthy. A refreshing affirmation of Elitism worthy of Jefferson – or Hitler. Like Hitler, Reed says that we now worship the halt, the lame, and the flawed.
    Probably the quickest way to get the right people voting would be to deny the vote to anyone who voted for George Bush or Barack Obama. Mr Limbaugh, Mr Limbaugh, you can’t mean that. Oh but I do Mr New Male Castrati. We are all Rush Limbaugh now. Just as Obama is Robert Mugabe on a diet, I am Rush sans the pounds and NeoConish elements.

  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Then why did we send hundreds of billions to European Banks if we “owe to ourselves”? When questioned, Bernanke said he didn’t know why or to whom. He was nervous but not overly so. He knew that it was just an unpleasant ritual and nothing was going to happen to him. He was well beyond the Law – one of the Owners of America Inc or at least their representative.
    America is a for profit Corporation. And the Fed is a private for profit bank that lends it money. Most of the trustees of the Bank live in Europe and are of a certain Ethnic Group. Maybe that’s why we sent the mysterious hundreds of billions over there?

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm #


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  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Sorry, that “LMAO” was intended for Carol Newquist.

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

    “The Beautiful Ones are not yet born.”
    Perhaps not. But rarely do we jump from bad to good without an intermediate.

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    “… but you are right that I am not adequatio dot. It was laziness on my part.”
    Two ‘p’ trippticket, or one ‘p’ tripticket, it is the same. I’m not trying to confuse anyone. The discrepancy is technology-based, not ethically-based…I can’t post as two ‘p’ trippticket anymore, for whatever reason…a pattern we will probably see repeated regularly in the future before us.

  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    The Trippticket who used to post here was a permaculturalist who lived in Spokane and then moved to Georgia. He was one of the best posters we have ever had here. Then he got his own blog. Here is the link: http://www.smallbatchgarden.com/

  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    Yes that is what I have spilled reams of ink saying. Whites have been the intermediary, the first Race to attain a universal ethic in large numbers. And it has almost destroyed us. Now we can embrace your archeo-futurism without becoming cannibals or terrified of spirits as so many primitive people were. We can live close to the Earth AND send ships into outer space. What we can’t do is either of these and take care of Blacks, Browns, and other primitive people of whatever color.

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  • Janos Skorenzy May 15, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

    Is this a new identity you’re trying out? If so, hopefully the real Tripp will show up and denounce you.

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    I don’t get around here very much these days – I can’t believe it’s mid-May already – but I just wanted to say hi. Life is busy, very busy, with more irons in the fire than I can probably care for effectively. Business is on the upswing: we did 30k in sales last year, north of the 25k goal – out of our tent – and will likely double that this season. Herbal medicine rocks, and will only get more important from here on out. I have not only my own 2.5-acre permaculture project going, but my neighbor’s adjoining acre or two that she’s entrusted to me, and other 3-acre, 2.5 acre, 2-acre, and 1 acre parcels on the radar, but my childrens’ Montessori school total permaculture/natural building transition I proposed and am managing, too. We’re doing a full-on passive solar cob classroom addition, rainwater capture, graywater recycling, orchards, veggie garden, composting, mushrooming, closed ecosystem retrofit…and all in exchange for my two childrens’ tuition. Who says we need dollars;)
    Couldn’t talk ’em into the composting toilets just yet. Sad commentary on our place in history, but it wasn’t that long ago I was hesitant.
    Tripp out.

  • tripticket May 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    Cheers, mates!

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  • adequatio May 15, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    Thanks for stopping by Tripp.

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  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    How ironic, or not. The two states giving Tesla a hard time are two of the biggest Tea Party states. SO much for the free-market, low regulation small government credo they like to espouse. It’s like I said, they’re the real communists, they just don’t know it. Well, some do, meaning the members of their Politburo, i.e. the Koch Brothers.

    A proposed bill in North Carolina that would make it illegal for electric car maker Tesla Motors to use its direct-sales method to sell cars in the state.
    The bill, which passed the state Senate in a unanimous vote Monday night, would prohibit car manufacturers or dealers from selling their cars to consumers without using a licensed dealer.
    Manufacturers would be barred from “using a computer or other communications facilities, hardware, or equipment” to sell or lease a car to anyone in the state, according to the legislation.
    If approved, the bill would render a car manufacturer like Tesla unable to legally sell cars in the state. Since the company bypasses traditional dealerships by selling directly to consumers and allows buyers to place their orders online, it would not meet the state’s definition of a “dealer.”
    “We are happy to play by the rules in North Carolina right now, but what [lawmakers] are doing is changing the goal posts,” he said. “And in doing so, they are eliminating a fundamental right of North Carolina residents to transact a vehicle online in the privacy of their home.”
    O’Connell said that it was a “mismatch” for Tesla to sell through a dealer, whom he said was primarily focused on selling gasoline vehicles.
    “We’re not in the business of tearing down the dealer model,” said O’Connell. “We simply believe that to successfully introduce this technology to the market, it needs to be done in a focused fashion, by us.”
    North Carolina is not the only state that bans car manufacturers from selling to consumers directly. Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk is also wrapped up in a battle with Texas lawmakers regarding selling its cars directly to the public.

    Conservatards are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. This is in direct defiance of their stated beliefs. It just goes to show, actions speak louder than words, meaning shut off the TALKING heads like Limbaugh et al because what’s done has nothing to do with what’s said.

  • beantownbill May 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    I didn’t read Krugman’s article because I never read any of his stuff as he is a dink. But assuming your description of the article is correct, then WTF?
    How can all our debt be between Americans? What about all the dollars being held by China, Japan, et al. Surely a good deal of it is in the form of government IOUs, i.e. Treasury notes and other obligations. What does he think these other countries will do when Uncle Sam casually says, “Oh, by the way, you know that trillion dollars I owe you…?
    And as far as American-to-American debt, said debt is like energy flows in physics: heat flows from hot areas to cold, from high pressure into low. Debt flows from Main Street to Wall Street, not the other way around. So as more and more debt is created, more and more of individuals’ assets flow to big business, thus enriching them and impoverishing the little guys. You think maybe this could have negative consequences?

  • progress4conserving May 15, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    Speaking of “nature bats last.”
    “Maybe population decline in the rich countries is the best thing that could happen to our troubled planet right now. For long enough we’ve let the counsel of neoclassical economists urge us on to ever more economic (and demographic) growth, regardless of the consequences. We should have listened instead to writers closer to the real world in which we must live. Naturalists, ecologists, biologists and others, including most classical economists, have been much closer to the truth about humans, but modern economists have managed to be more seductive, playing the consumption card and promising eternal progress.” http://guymcpherson.com/2011/03/population-decline-in-rich-nations-will-it-be-good-for-our-planet/
    I wonder if any of the asoka/dequatio/carol…/carol Trilogy have anything LOGICAL to add.
    Nah! Just more racist name-calling.
    I’ll guarantee it.
    Welcome back Tripp. Hot all of a sudden, isn’t it? Hope this isn’t a look at how summer is going to go for us.

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

    I see you’re taking a break from your Chinese spamming. Hard work, that. Osho likes Guy McPherson because he’s a person who is not afraid to contradict himself at every turn. Here’s a Guy McPherson that trumps your Guy McPherson.
    We’re Done

    As I pointed out in this space a few years ago, I concluded in 2002 that we had set into motion climate-change processes likely to cause our own extinction by 2030. I mourned for months, to the bewilderment of the three people who noticed. And then, shortly thereafter, I was elated to learn about a hail-Mary pass that just might allow our persistence for a few more generations: Peak oil and its economic consequences might bring the industrial economy to an overdue close, just in time. Like Pandora with her vessel, I retained hope.
    No more. Stick a fork in us. We’re done, broiled beyond hope wishful thinking. It seems we’ve experienced a lethal combination of too much cheap oil and too little wisdom. Yet again, I’ve begun mourning. It’s no easier the second time.

    That post was from June of 2012. He still believes We’re Done, so any effort at immigration control is absurd in the face of what he’s asserted. Good try, though, you spamming dolt.

  • Carol Newquist May 15, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Osho on contradiction.
    I have a replica of his hat collection. They’re coming back in style, by the way. CD would look awesome in one trucking down the road with a belly full of lamb chops in search of some sap dribbling his soccer ball on the way to Brazil.

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