JHK’s Three-Act Play
O f all the awful tensions roiling and coiling in American society, it’s only a little bit surprising that the racial module is blowing off now rather than, say, the stock market. Perhaps it’s a seasonal thing: race riots in the summer; stock market crashes in the fall, revolutions in the spring.
Michael Brown, the 18-year-old shooting victim of a cop-stop in Ferguson, Missouri, was not the best candidate for martyrdom. But it was only after the violent protests to his killing got underway that his convenience store robbery videotape went public — despite attempts by the US Department of Justice to suppress it — and by then it was too late to stop the juggernaut of grievance. Meanwhile, the white condescension machine (The New York Times, The Huffington Post, et. al.) revved into top gear to validate the fears and resentments of the rioters.
The casual observer from Mars might have trouble finding the reality in this welter of bad feeling. A toxicology report should have accompanied the second autopsy report, and shed a little light, but apparently no one has asked for it yet — notably the leading news media. 18-year-old young men are not known for having great judgment or impulse control even when not high.
White America is tortured by black America’s failure to thrive, and all that guilt and anxiety has only gotten worse as a substantial quota of white America loses its own footing in the middle class and plunges into the rough country of joblessness, hopelessness, and government dependency. The usual remedies of even more dependency aren’t working so well for anybody. It’s politically easier for the moment, though. And both the government and the news media are frantically busy manufacturing excuses for everybody’s bad conduct.
This poor nation is faced with the tasks of completely retooling its economy in a way that it can’t bear to imagine, and of also reforming its grotesque social behavior. One might follow the other in a better world, but our prospects for the moment are not so bright. My own camp is inclined to expect an anguished collapse rather than any deliberate reformation. We’ve set ourselves up for it.
The future we don’t want to think about is an economy focused on food production at the local scale, along with the activities that support it and add value to its products, and the labor required to do all that. There’s a fair chance that we will fail altogether to ever get it running. In any case, the officially-sanctioned future that so many people are expecting — the digital wonderland economy — will not survive the energy and capital scarcities ahead.
The basic questions of race relations in America remain too painful to ask and too hard to answer. For instance, are we hard-wired to self-segregate? There certainly was a great wish that this were not so. Has it been disproven or overcome in the 60 years since Brown v. Board of Education? Do we have different standards of behavior for different races? Does that work?
The case of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, can’t inspire a whole lot of confidence about working anything out. We’re finding out that a culture of opposition produces confrontation, often just for its own sake, because there seems to be nothing better to do. Is it the opening round of broader discontent and conflict? Black America surely faces an existential crisis, but not the one imagined in the condescending news media — of somehow getting non-black America to be more just and generous. The truth is, we’ve already been through that and there is nothing left to do. We’re out of “affirmative actions” of all kinds. “Diversity” chatter didn’t make anything better. Have we completely discarded the idea of a common culture along with uniform standards of behavior? If not, we’re in for more violence and anarchy.
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What is happening in Ferguson Missouri portends the coming unrest in America. It’s not about race but about the economic destruction of America by the ruling class. Is this the beginning of a revolution?
http://youtu.be/6maFT1X_Rks
US riots & social & racial hatred are a function of bitter alienation, rather than poverty or economic loss per se – US culture continues to heavily market the absurd shite idea that you are dirt if not upper middle class, which as JHK says is quickly becoming unrealistic for most. Rioters are often ‘wealthy’ compared to much of the world, but advertising & media discourse leave them feeling relatively ‘shafted’ by an upper white class existing more on television than in real life.
USA was never really a ‘melting pot’, it was a creation of one tribal group of Europeans, but over time become a multi-bloc uneasy Lebanon. All US Presidents except 2 have been Germanic tribe Protestants – US dominant ethnicity – their war with immigrant Catholics (see Martin Scorsese’s 2002 film ‘Gangs of New York’) now somewhat forgotten, while US Catholics and Jews still remain distinct, tho winning prosperity while the pie was growing. Much worse off were genocided native ‘Indians’; & black ex-slaves oppressed in new ways after 1865, who only became equal as the US economy peaked circa 1970 and the pie shrank after that, with Latinos somewhat in the middle, encouraged to arrive en masse by US oligarchs to help marginalise the whites who might oppose oligarch policies.
US model for the future is Brazil, as Latinos become USA’s largest group, and brown & poor & lots of crime become more ‘normal’. US economic strata are already similar to Brazil if you subtract top 3% or so. With dwindling energy resources & US gov fascism fuelling the fire, it will likely be a horrible USA for a decade or two, & maybe the end of ‘big USA’ altogether, as the processes JHK has long described take hold.
“Is this the beginning of a revolution?”
Name me one “revolution” not paid for by the third party, including so-called “Great French Revolution” initially paid for by Brits. Of course they lost control later on as it seems to be pattern with all “revolutions” started by Brits.
Revolutions are expensive.
It’s all about race insofar as race–and social justice discourses generally–are red herrings distracting otherwise intelligent white people from taking action against the coming ecological crisis.
Educated whites have lapped up the humanity mongering that now passes for ethics in college. Having put all their ethical eggs in the human basket, they can’t process the ethical problems posed by the fact that the very fruitfulness and multiplication of humans is ruining the planet.
No American resident, much less Mr. Brown, is innocent. We’re all guilty of wasting resources, trashing the planet, and subjecting tens of millions of our fellow species, yearly, to unnecessary suffering and extinction.
Hello Htruth!
Ferguson is just a test run. Really a training outing. Staged for the cops to test new toys. Why do I say that? Because any decent society would have treated the young man body with respect. Maybe, even his life would have been treated with respect. The question was he living his life with respect for his community? A few days latter another distressed person with “ISSUES” was shot over food & being mentally unfit to bow to power. These tests are just taking the temperature of the wage slaves. I have no hope for a revolution. Just let the poor kill the poor. More left for the rich. Grew up in this part of St.Louis Co. Ex Mayor Fletcher was a childhood playmate and friend. Not seen him in 40+ years. Sorry to see my old friend in this mess.
“store robbery videotape went public — despite attempts by the US Department of Justice to suppress it”
What is your basis for this statement ?
That’s a good call Sandcrab. I think his basis for that statement was a finger trying to pull ah, sumthin ottoa his ass.
Here is my take on it all.
http://chasingthesquirrel.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-blunt-truth.html
Not so fast:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show
Ferguson Cops Busted? New Video Seems To Show Brown Paying For Cigarillos (Video)
In addition, the convenience store manager says that they never called police about any incident involving Brown.
Wow. The DoJ’s attempt to suppress the video is all over the news, including the paper of record.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/17/us/ferguson-missouri-protests.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
You are right. I’ll sit and heel.
from your link
“The Justice Department asked the Ferguson Police Department not to release the video because of concerns that “it would roil the community further,” a United States law enforcement official said on Saturday. The Ferguson department released the video on Friday and the Justice official said it “occurred over the objection of federal authorities.” The official said a copy of the video had been in possession of federal investigators, as well, “and there were never any plans by the federal investigators to release that copy.
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Not out of his ass on this one. The Justice Department Vs. the public’s right to know. It seemed too outlandish to believe; hence my apology.
K-Dog says “That’s a good call Sandcrab. I think his basis for that statement ( that the DOJ wanted to suppress the strong arm robbery video) was a finger trying to pull ah, sumthin ottoa his ass.” You guys need to get out a little more. As in out of MSNBC and Daily Kos.
Jim,
You seem to be saying that the crime of murder, if committed by a white policeman is OK (no – not murder, simply extrajudicial execution), or at least not as serious as, a property crime.
Is this the bright future you see as our society collapses?
Artshul– You must have appointed yourself judge and jury (and prosecuting attorney and God) to be so sure of this. — JHK
NEW YORK (AP) — An unarmed black teenager killed by a white officer in Missouri was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy has found.
The New York Times reported that the autopsy by Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City chief medical examiner, found that one of the bullets entered the top of Michael Brown’s skull, suggesting that his head was bent forward when he suffered a fatal injury.
Oh, you mean he wasn’t running away with his hands up.?
The unknown and un-armed suspect of a robbery at the time of his execution by police, was running forward, towards the police officer, when he slipped, fell forward, hit his head on the end of the barrel of the police officer’s pistol, just as it went off, again. We do not know in what order the six shots were fired [sarcasm], nor whether the suspect was doped or hopped up when his execution occurred. Execution being the conclusion commonly reached when the death of an unarmed man occurs without the benefit of legal representation (not that we even have a legal system anymore), a judge and a jury. Just a bunch of un-smoked stolen cigars that were never recovered from the scene [heavy sarcasm].
You’ve been watching too much CSI. Unless you are a forensic pathologist, you are just adding to the chaos with comments like this. “Bent forward” could mean he was falling, or charging, or whatever. We don’t know. You don’t know.
I am not claiming the shooting was justified, just it seems you are way overstepping the available evidence in making a claim that Mr. Brown was shot while in a submission position…
The point is, two vagely related crimes seem to have occurred in this situation:
1) a petty unarmed robbery that the police office in question had no knowledge of, and
2) an unarmed teenager shot (6 times) and killed by a possibly criminal policeman
And JHK and many others want to immediately “white-wash” the killer and assume that the kid “had to be killed.”
It doesn’t fly with me, and I’m an old white guy.
I don’t want the cops (who are paid by us citizens) to operate as death squads. More and more police killings with never a criminal charge will lead us in that direction. Loud cheering in support of the killers will help, too.
The only thing you have contributed to this conversation that is factual is “Im an old white guy”…now cross your keyboard fingers and go away….or better yet,go live with those that are in Ferguson living like animals…tired of the whining all the time by folks like you…
Very mature comment!!!
Stay classy. And ignorant, like a real American.
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“The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.” ~ Max Stirner
“…when the police enforce the law, they do so unevenly, in ways that give disproportionate attention to the activities of poor people, people of color, and others near the bottom of the social pyramid. And when the police violate the law, these same people are their most frequent victims…” ~ Kristian Williams, ‘Our Enemies In Blue’
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BTW, I’ve never actually seen an actual black or white person. I’ve seen some who were close, but no cigar.
As someone who carries a firearm daily ( not law, or mil. ) Firearm shootings are very hard to understand without training. Physics and biology do strange things when they mix. Think of all the JFK confusion. Until the experts run all the info nothing is really known except a real tragedy has happened. Problem is many of my kin do not understand science and ” experts.” So they live in a world much closer to the 16th century than the 21st. Do I trust the experts ? Not really. I want the raw data. Hate filters of any type. Cool heads will work this out. But who really wants that ?
“The future we don’t want to think about is an economy focused on food production at the local scale, along with the activities that support it and add value to its products, and the labor required to do all that. There’s a fair chance that we will fail altogether to ever get it running. In any case, the officially-sanctioned future that so many people are expecting — the digital wonderland economy — will not survive the energy and capital scarcities ahead.”
That’s one of the points you made in “The End of Suburbia.” I showed that to my Geology class last week, just like I show it to my Environmental Science classes every semester. Some of the questions on the worksheet for the movie are common to both classes and bear directly on your point: “How do fossil fuels contribute to modern agriculture?” “What effect does Kunstler think Peak Oil will have on transportation and commerce?” “What effect will Peak Oil have on people’s abilities to make a living?” and “How do the interviewees see the future—global, national, or local?” The clearest answer I get from my students is to the last one–local. I also ask them “What was your least favorite part of the movie. One student answered “It freaked me out.” That was the right answer. She should be.
“Some of the questions on the worksheet for the movie are common to both classes and bear directly on your point: ‘How do fossil fuels contribute to modern agriculture?’ ”
Speaking of classes, agriculture and worksheets…
“The process of enclosure has sometimes been accompanied by force, resistance, and bloodshed, and remains among the most controversial areas of agricultural and economic history in England. Marxist and neo-Marxist historians argue that rich landowners used their control of state processes to appropriate public land for their private benefit. This created a landless working class that provided the labour required in the new industries developing in the north of England…” ~ Wikipedia
Here you go, sandcrab:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/feds-urged-police-not-release-michael-brown-robbery-video-n182346
Thanks for the week’s work, JHK. I have a suspicion that this Ferguson thing is being deliberately manipulated. I tend to share your aversion to most conspiracy theories but there’s a lot going on that is not being reported in the MSM as regards Ferguson.
This hit last night – http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/17/does-this-video-vindicate-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/
Impossible to find this video on CBS, NBC, or even FOX just now, but just because something is on the Blaze does not mean it really didn’t happen. But it does mean it doesn’t fit the “narrative.”
“…are we hard-wired to self-segregate?”
Yes, and I’ll tell you why.
The human creature depends on the sense of vision more than any other sense. This is what we brought down with us from the canopy back in the mid-Pliocene. All arboreals are sight-oriented. Even as savannah dwellers we retained our keen eyesight through the millennia (despite the comparative semi-blindness of most other ground dwellers). There are two reasons for the retention of our superior arboreal vision: (1) it’s harder to de-evolve characteristics than to evolve them, and (2) sharp eyesight proved as much of an asset on the ground as in the trees, compensating for our species’ pathetically lame sense of smell.
Racism is simply the cultural manifestation of the natural human tendency to react with caution – or even hostility – to that which looks different. In more sophisticated environs, the effects of racism can be mitigated – can be unlearned. But when societies begin to fail, people clump with their own kind. Visual signals are the strongest indicators of what constitutes one’s ‘own kind’.
Ultimately the ‘Bullworth Program’ – forced miscegenation – may be the only solution to the race problem.
Yes, Greg.
You could boil down racism to a “natural human tendency”. But I beg to differ that this tendency can be mitigated. Mitigation has been the meme of the government for over a century plus now. It has yet to work. You would have thought that after all this effort that racism would have been “unlearned” by now.
The reality is that racism is hard wired in humanity. It is far more than a tendency. Any time the powers throughout history have concocted a war against their neighbor, foreign or domestic; the first card played is race. Lets remember the Huns, Slope heads, Chinks, Japs, Rag heads Wetbacks, Untermenschen, etc. They do it because it works. It allows the combatants to feel superior to their foe either by race, religion or philosophy. What happens to this animosity after the conflict is over? Do you think it gets put back on the shelf until further use? Suddenly we are expected to love the Huns and Japs again because our government says so?
All this and we are not even getting into what I believe has been the most insidious and negative influence on the black community and family: rap music, with all it’s violent, misogynistic, gun toting exhortations. A genre that glorifies vile, low and violent behavior.
Good luck with your “mitigation”.
Hold it. I think GK ends his comment with a good suggestion on how to end racism.
Bullworth:
All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep fuckin’ everybody ’til they’re all the same color.
In general I’m in agreement with you. However, I’ve lived long enough to have seen enlightened mitigation work reasonably well where racism is concerned.
One example would be the Truman-mandated integration of the American military from the late ’40s on. It worked quite well – particularly on military installations overseas. The other example would be the relative racial calm and cooperation that characterized those several years of rosy optimism just after the passage of the civil rights legislation of the mid-sixties.
Of course, these examples occured in select times and places that, for various reasons, were uniquely conducive to a peaceful co-existence of the races. What works in the lab, though, often fails on the grand scale where all manner of unforeseen variables take a toll.
My main point has to do with the biological influences involved in racism. We may argue about the ‘chicken or the egg’. But there’s no argument that instinct precedes culture, and that, sooner or later, culture manifests biological imperatives. That our acute visual capabilities could work against us as a species is only one of many ironic outcomes of the vagaries of Natural Selection.
I am a big fan of the evolutionary biology basis of behavior and get your points. If you haven’t read Robert Wright’s ” The Moral Animal”, you wold enjoy it.
or,we could just try this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQDvYOt_iA
Yep. Enjoyed it
Peaceful? Well sure, you see ending forced Segregation was fair and a far different thing than forced integration. But fights are usually won not by pausing but by a flurry of blows. Once you had your initial victory you pushed your advantage – and thus revealed your real intent all along, proving the Klan and the far Right were correct all along.
Even if you assume (for no good reason since the brain is also physical and subject to evolution) that the Races are the same psychologically and in terms of IQ, isn’t biological diversity valuable, both physically and aesthetically? Whatever happened to the great God “Diversity”? You are transparent to the trained Mind – even if a mystery to yourselves.
Btw, medicine will never let go of Race. It’s too valuable a working concept. Some drugs work well on one race and not another. Organ transplants are much better within race, etc.
hmmm. If we give up on attempts at mitigation, what’s the plan? really. give me an idea.
you offered a partial idea when you condemned rap music. I happen to agree with you re rap: a money machine that sells bullshit dreams to kids. much like shooter video games. toxic.
I have come to the sad conclusion that the basic flaw in human nature is the pathetic need to feel special.
not sure how to proceed, I admit.
And what are you going to do to Whites who refuse to blend? And admit it, this discussion is about Whites and only Whites. You’re fine with Blacks staying Black, Asians staying Asians, etc.
Human (and other animal) societies have of course always self-segregated until the 1960s. All organisms tend to affiliate and mate with like kinds, and “kind” doesn’t match our modern biological conception of species, which is based on inter-fertility. Our obsession with the human is just an extension of our obsession with sex and genitals. If you share enough genetic material to mate and reproduce, you’re in the same species. Except maybe if you’re a Neanderthal or an ass.
My hope is that, in the wake of an economic collapse, the West won’t have the luxury of worrying about racism anymore, and will permit people to self-segregate again in peace. Forcing people into multi-culti societies is cruel and unnatural.
Asses (donkeys) can reproduce with horses (produce mules)
and zebras (zonkeys) proving that they are pretty smart genetically (disclaimer: I own two of them).And I think we homo sapiens also have some Neanderthal DNA running around in our genes.
It has been documented that groups of male chimps will patrol their territory, and attack, kill, & eat chimps not of their group. Prior to this finding, chimps were lauded as examples of primates that do not make war. I would guess that they did this to preserve their own territory, and thus their continued existence. I’m guessing that our ancestors followed the same path in their own way. “Look, a stranger, let’s kill him.”,for the same reason of self preservation. Just speculation on my part.
Gang warfare at its best. It does give one a greater respect for the traders of the ancient world.
Apparently we have ever greater militarized police forces who will fire automatic weapons at the slightest provocation coupled with a class of people who generally have little respect for the law. What a recipe for chaos! Seems to me that both these “groups” – the police and the class with no respect for the law – each have valid reasons for their positions, hence behavior. The police see the reality of crime every day. Their experience with crime is raw. They must witness the horror and torment of it on a regular basis. So it’s understandable that they develop a very judgmental, hard shell. The lawless class, largely black, have reasons for their behavior too. They know how corrupt the justice system is. They live that every day too. The middle class should be developing some empathy for that – to wit, why is Jon Corzine still at large? So everybody’s got their reasons for dysfunction.
Yes basically we are choosing escalation, upping the stakes in all aspects of life, rather than a voluntary slowing down.
The result will of course a collapse that “nobody saw coming”
then you have the political element. people who benefit from the weakness by offering a political (superficial) solution such as…elect me because i am black and can keep the brothas in line.
what has happened in missourian history is the same thing that has happened in detroit and other formerly affluent areas. white flight.
the previous posts really summed it up for everyone when it comes to social patterns in the us. blacks have been marginalized and have much to be pissed off about because they never chose to be here, out of africa. yet, the people fomenting this rebellious attitude are not white, they are black leaders.
eventually the leadership irregardless of color/ethnicity will be seen for who and what they really are, green, and their lower class followers will turn on them.
I keep wondering how it would be if African-Americans, exercising their Constitutional rights in a peaceful way, or with some civil disobedience that did not turn violent, simply wore shirts and adult clothing when protesting.
Then went home at 9pm each night.
The look of the protestors, whatever their justified outrage, simply fuels every white fear of home invasion, rape, and murder.
It’s to the demonstrators’ credit that some guarded stores to prevent looting, but that is the side of all this that the media, even the white-guilt laden sorts of media, won’t cover. It fails to catch eyeballs.
If things do “go down” nationally (I’m not as certain of collapse as JHK and other CF Nation readers) two things *are* certain: 1) black folks and other minorities will suffer disproportionately, as they always have and 2) The burbs are going to go up in flames, too.
I’m not a big fan of fashion of any kind, especially clothes that do not fit, but is that choice not a Constitutional right ? Freedom of expression? The clothing is not a cause of societal dysfunction; it’s a symptom. There are more white kids sporting the gangster/hiphop look than racial minorities. The good wizard Greer has pointed out that the Roman elite bitched about their youth adopting the Visigoth look when the empire was unraveling. Why would people conform to the dress code and so called values of a society that has no place at the table for them? Ferguson, like Detroit, Camden and many more places are on the ever expanding American periphery. Many whites who are now on the periphery were lower income (but above the poverty level) or in the middle class 7-10 years ago. Expect this number to grow. Expect more violence (physical & structural) from TPTB.
Yes when you see Blacks wearing baggy pants and shirts and t shirts that go down to their knees, you realize that they are slowly evolving back to robes – a la Islamic Black Africa perhaps. And the hapless young Whites humbly imitate their Visigoth conquerors.
Janos, perhaps you with your expertise can parse that I saw today at the store: three white guys, all young, all somewhat overweight, when they bent down to the lower shelves to get stuff, their butt cracks showed. And the ‘ladies’ with them were displaying much cleavage (also ponderously weightful!) Not a pretty sight at all. when I want porn I will gladly go to the internet where it is more tasteful.
PS I’m 78 years old and don’t need that kind of ‘exposure’ when I shop.
With you on this one.
Where are you from, the Eastern Bloc? You talk about worthless, shiftless, lazy people? That’s your peeps.
Lol. The thing about economic and ecological collapse that REALLY worries liberals is the idea that it will disproportionately affect minorities.
As the World Ends, Many Fear Blacks and Hispanics Will Be Disproportionately Affected
Again, a highly perceptive essay from Mr. K. As a professor in a Southern state, let me assure you that self-segregation is alive and well. My black students sit in the back of the room and the whites in the front. Some professors try to get around this by assigning seats by name, but I figure they are adult enough to make this decision for themselves.
Also, as a sociologist, let me support Mr. K’s analysis that a modern society cannot endure with different values and norms for one large segment of the population and others for different large groups. But I’m afraid that that is just what we are trying to do. Results will be predictable.
Sorry JHK but as an apparent member of the ‘white condescension machine,’ I don’t buy it. Was Michael Brown an angel? Probably not. But the reason the DOJ objected to the release of the convenience store video was because it had NOTHING to do with the incident. The Ferguson police chief admitted as such when he said the officer had no knowledge of the alleged theft at the time of the confrontation. How does an incident that starts with the offense of walking down the middle of the road end with a young black man being shot six times, the last two when he is on his knees with his hands in the air telling the officer not to shoot? It’s not like the Ferguson police department is unfamiliar with excessive force. Google the story about the 2009 incident where they arrested the wrong man, beat him in the jail cell, then charged him with ‘property damage’ for having the temerity to bleed on their uniforms. The case had to be dismissed because the officers relentlessly perjured themselves. Lets just say this isn’t a track record that inspires me to reflexively give them the benefit of the doubt. As for the toxicology report, I’m sure there is one pending out there (and rest assured the Ferguson Chief of Police will leak it if it is the slightest bit incriminating).
“The case had to be dismissed because the officers relentlessly perjured themselves.”
I haven’t researched it, but I’m willing to bet that the officers weren’t punished for perjury, proving to them that perjury is an acceptable part of a police officer’s job.
So long as the courts and the DAs give police a pass on this kind of behavior these situations are going to get worse and worse.
Count on the police to lie, especially when expounding on the limits/sweep of actual law when dealing with the public. (It’s a bit harder to get away with in a courtroom; usually there’s a few people present who know the law.)
Police over reach doesn’t mean all Black Criminals are innocent and should be let out of jail. Shame on you for your shameless conflation on this issue.
Ah, now I am understanding, uncle vladdie — you JOKE with me while waiting for Fed Ex to deliver big order for Zyklon B! Haha!
Is now I am making joke with you for big laughing:
“First they came for the niggers, but I wasn’t a nigger, so…”
What? You hear this one before? Please change subject again to save reputation for good joking. Tell one for Jews now; very funny always!
Actually it would have a bearing on Brown’s behaviour upon being stopped by the police. His state of mind and reactions would have considerably different to someone who’d just gone for a walk.
The autopsy, paid for by Browns family, shows that all the shots hit thefront of his body with four hitting the right arm and two into his head.
It certainly casts doubt on the statement by Browns accomplice who said that he had his hands up and was running away. It would be more consistent with someone rushing the officer in a shoulder charge with the final shot hitting him in the top of the head as he went down.
Apparently there are other witnesses contradicting Browns friend as well.
The first version of the event is beginning to look bery dubious.
A media event. Everyone knows what it takes to make the news. I think the shooting reconstruction will give everyone something to think about.
Rush addressed this this morning. Even if the officer didn’t know that Brown was guilty, Brown knew – and acted accordingly. Of course a smart thief wouldn’t be walking in the middle of the road. But the College bound Brown was a stone cold stoned dummy. Now he’s even colder and dumbed. To disobey, and then charge an armed police officer is Darwin Awards type stuff.
Rush Limbaugh? OMG, you lost all credibility, you pathetic moron.
So now shoplifting is a crime punishable with the death penalty? Not one witness—not ONE—said he was threatening the policeman. Where is your sense of justice?
You obviously did not listen to that video I posted, because starting at about 6:30 is just what you’re saying does not exist, sw.
And kansashamonwry tells us “the last two when he is on his knees with his hands in the air telling the officer not to shoot?”
Do you have ANY evidence for that KHOW, other than “eyewitness” statements. One of those eyewitnesses said, “the police shot him in the back!”
Autopsy shows all the shots entered from the front.
So much for trustworthy eyewitnesses. Now what?
I did read the dialogue and have to wonder why did the policeman get out of his car and start chasing him? (If, in fact, this account is true.) Are a package of cigars that valuable? I live in Austin and a similar incident happened at the end of my street where a policeman, off-duty as a bank security guard, decided a black man was “about to commit a fraud”, chased him down and shot him. I saw on the local news last night the city of Austin has settled with the family for a wrongful death claim–uncontested. Yet the initial story was slanted to sound like this man was involved in a robbery when all he was doing was trying the bank doors after it was closed. Here’s the link the initial story.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/police-officer-fatally-shot-man-during-confrontati/nY5Zw/
You might want to read Matt Taibbi’s latest book also, The Divide. It deals with the two-tier justice system in the US. Remember what happened in NYC just a few weeks ago when a man died after “resisting arrest” for selling cigarettes on the street. How poor do you think you’d be if your income relied on selling individual cigarettes?
Lots of Whites have been killed by crazed police but they don’t fit the narrative so you people don’t care about them. Two tiers indeed.
You don’t know that he was selling individual cigarettes do you? Native Americans are bused for this too sometimes. And Whites for smuggling, etc.
Inaccurate eyewitness accounts have very little to do with outright lying (although lying happens).
Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts
Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
Yes in the great Holocaust Trial in Toronto, Jews were caught “remembering” things that obviously didn’t happen. Even though Ernst Zundel lost officially, Dershowitz and other Jews admitted it was a crushing defeat for the narrative and vowed to now let such a thing happen again.
Back to your job at Auschwitz punk.
I found it interesting that African American NYTimes columnist Charles Blow left us with this toward that end of today’s column;
“If we want to truly address the root of the unrest in Ferguson, we have to ask ourselves how we can break this cycle.”
Basically, after ticking off all the problems in Missouri, he came up with nothing even close to a solution. Not even a scrap of hope. In many ways, I appreciate his candor, for he didn’t say, “If we would just do THIS, all the problems would evaporate…”
And despite all the head shaking about how many blacks are on the Ferguson PD, I still have not seen one media outlet ask the 64K question; how many blacks have applied over the years? To wit, is the lack of black cops a racist “thing,” or is it just a function of numbers?
You are so right titling your book “The Long Emergency”, as what we are witnessing is a slow motion train wreck. The ability to outsource jobs overseas rests upon a supply of cheap energy, and the process over the last 40 years has left the US economy a hollowed out shell. Depending on where one sits on the political spectrum one may have differing solutions or analyses, but one thing is for sure, our country isn’t working anymore.
The scenario in Ferguson being pushed by the mainstream media appears to be one exactly at variance with what the scant facts portray.
This was a good shoot, if there is such a creature, but the hustlers are out there doing their best to get a piece of the dwindling American pie. Bye, bye.
Figuratively speaking, we’ve cleaved off our right hand countless times as a nation in gestures of penance for all our past sins (slavery, crimes abroad) in deference to the Left’s mea culpa cult, but yet the sway seems to prevail that nothing short of national/cultural suicide will satisfy the Left’s cherished beliefs. Consequence to policy making is that there’s no official recognition that the greater “existential crisis” has existed in the Black community now for decades (nurtured by the race issue hucksters) — not, that is, within that of White America. Further penance is now being demanded; cleaving off the left hand as well — admitting unlimited influx of dark skinned people who speak foreign tongues, are illiterate, and have something like 9th century grasp of reality.
How strong is a culture (the most powerful ever) that can be destroyed by non English speaking illiterates with medieval minds? Same was said about the Irish and the Italians. It’s a cop out as old as civilization itself. Your national/cultural suicide is a ongoing collective effort. You guys were the richest, most powerful nation on earth and you had great cultural influence on many around the globe. You had it all. And you fucking blew it cause you just could not get enough. Now you want to blame others for your failures and decline? The left, the right, immigrants, the internet, clothing choice, too much religion, not enough religion, anything and anyone but you, the helpless victim. For certain the 1% have the greater share of the blame, but the rest went along cause more is better and the American way of life is non-negotiable.
You’re conflating culture and country. One is the mind, the other is the body. If you destroy the culture or mind of a country by bringing aliens, then the country or body will die as well. Your idea of a universal country open to everyone from everywhere is absurd. Or do you expect to assimilate them? That was hard enough when we were strong and they were all from Europe. Now you think we can do it when we are weak, wont make them do it (because of you people and your multiculturalism and charges of racism), and they are from cultures alien and even hostile to us? Crazy. Crazy and bad.
Where did I say anything about a universal country open to everyone from everywhere? Do not put words in my mouth and/or work on your reading comprehension skills. And stop it with this “we” shit. You don’t get to share credit for other peoples accomplishments, simply by having the same skin tone. Also, stop blaming folks worldview for illegal immigration. If the owners of the US did not want them there they would not be there. The United States had the industrial capacity to defeat the Japanese and help defeat the Nazis, put men on the moon, map the human genome, etc, etc, but they could not manage to secure one border? Build one long wall with some gates? Just completely beyond the countries capabilities? That or some very powerful people wanted a long term source of cheap illegal labor.
The margins are narrowing on places where existing populations still might (just might) retain prospect of surviving the widening shock wave of the overpopulation bomb explosion. Still,….time is being dawdled away in utopian prattle as though history can be re engineered backward, correcting all perceived wrongs resulting in 8 billions humans inhabiting the earth in peace and harmony (retaining species diversity and environment as well). Shall we now discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Apneaman, I somewhat agree with you, but you are wasting your time.
There are still alot of people out there who think “if only America was all white, it would be a paradise where we would all live forever in bliss, we could bomb anybody we want and colonize Mars, etc.”
They cannot accept the reality of American decline, and they cannot accept the consequences that flow from that. And they cannot accept that they, the white middle class, continually supported individuals who had nothing but contempt for them, and used them as compliant workers and consumers, and ultimately to be replaced by immigrants and Chinese.
So to avoid this reality, all sorts of theories will start coming out and “racial decline” is going to be a big one. Watch out for a ton of angry, gun toting white Americans with no prospects, it’s coming.
Because the Irish and Italians have lived in agriculture-based civilizations for millennia (unlike Africans and Amerindians) their peoples had evolved the psychological traits necessary to make it in a modern state economy.
That said, as the great-granddaughter of Italian immigrants, I have no problem with the fact that the country would be MUCH better off if my ancestors, and indeed all Europeans, and indeed all humans, had never migrated here.
Ultimately all humans are the beneficiaries of past migration (except for Africans). Humans migrated out of Africa 50,000 years ago and spread throughout the earth hunting megafauna to extinction and generally ravaging the environment. Migration has allowed humans to spread and multiply and exploit new habitats and animals for millennia.
The disgusting huddled-masses beautification of immigrants today is astonishing for its lack of historical and ecological perspective.
Cassandra, I recall that ‘some’ Native Americans, along with aboriginal people in South America had extensive agriculture.
Look up biochar for example. And Potatoes!
Thanks jimofolym you beat me to it !
‘…the officially-sanctioned future that so many people are expecting — the digital wonderland economy — will not survive the energy and capital scarcities ahead.’
Just this morning on the criminal corruption channel (AKA CNBC), the moron stock hypesters had on another moronic nerd guest claiming that within months, we’ll have this or that 3d imagery that we can receive on our ‘devices’ and with which we can interact in real time.
I suppose some of these morons actually believe we can even get food and energy from such a 3d computer generated process; I recall Jim noting that we have a generation that thinks it can live it in iphone. Not that far out now.
Regarding anarchy, what do we expect with 85 IQ cops straight back from Iraq and Astan, running amok with the delusion that they’re super heroes (recall the jolly greens from nam) fighting evil. Psychotic retards in blue. Lovely !!!!!
Amerika is gone; no chance for a come back or survival. We’re rapidly descending into the police state that we deserve. Anyone with an IQ over 100 should be making plans to emigrate.
Wardoc
“85 IQ cops straight back from Iraq and Astan ” Wow….. what a hack job on two professions. So wardoc is that really your first hand view of our military & peace officers ?
The reality is what it is. You must be a cop whose feelings I hurt with this bit of reality. While in the DOD, I evaluated well over 1000 cops in the military and in civilian roles (yes, the DOD is involved in both in various ways). I said street cops in my statement, and I know of what I write. Re: many coming with psychopathology back from the sandbox, well if you’re awake you know that the suicide rate is the highest in military history among those still in service and within 6 months of coming out. Higher than the kill rate from training and action. It is clear that something is very wrong. And many of the survivors are getting hired by police depts.
Also, I think you’re on the wrong website. There are several rah rah amerika sites you should spend your time on.
No more time wasted on you. Vete!
Wardoc (US Army, Maj. Ret.)
Of all the awful tensions roiling and coiling in American society, it’s only a little bit surprising that the racial module is blowing off now rather than, say, the stock market. Perhaps it’s a seasonal thing: race riots in the summer; stock market crashes in the fall, revolutions in the spring.
So true. The media love to play these stories up. I wonder why? I try not to pay attention too much and get caught up the faux debate because I don’t want to feed the frenzy any further, but it’s difficult to avoid criticizing the frenzied spectacle for what it is.
Weapons Of Mass Disruption
I can’t help but juxtapose the Ferguson, MIssouri story with the Yazidi pursued by ISIS and taking temporary refuge on the mountain in proximity to Sinjar. Perhaps the rioters/looters in Ferguson could do the same (as me), and maybe just maybe, if they did, all this could simmer down and we can let Justice try to take its course because this is ridiculously embarrassing in comparison to the problems facing a good portion of the rest of the world right now.
Get real people. There are real problems out there, and this is almost nothing in comparison. It’s time to get some perspective.
One thing I find sickening is that the shock jock community such as the New York Times claim to be on the side of black people, when they are cheerleaders for subjecting black Americans to economic genocide through so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reforms.
That’s another bizarre contradiction in a media narrative that is composed of little else, isjogren.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/17/1194752/–I-could-hire-half-of-the-working-class-to-kill-the-other#
If Mr. Gould were alive in today’s super-prosperous United States he would find it far more expeditious to IMPORT a new underclass to kill the existing underclass.
I have fought against this excessive legal AND illegal immigration for years now. And I’ve donated a not inconsiderable amount of money to this outfit https://www.numbersusa.com/ , simply because I believe it is the right thing to do – not least for the native born African-American population.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think the NYTimes covers the black victim beat with such vigor because they feel guilty over backstabbing blacks over immigration.
Ron Unz has proposed the theory (look him up at the Unz Review) that urban elites want massive hispanic and asian immigration in order to dilute urban black misbehavior. In major urban areas all over the US, hispanics and asians are displacing blacks, who are moving to suburbs like Ferguson and beyond.
Unfortunately, hispanics are not turning out to be as gang-averse as was hoped for, while Asians’ kids are taking all the white kids’ spots in elite schools.
You, Mr. Kunstler, write better than anybody else in the media. Period.
Yep, anyone to substantiate whatever you already believe. Jim’s turned out to be a good racist writer. He needs to get off the end of the world bullshit and start getting his market expanded to the far right. Lots of money there. He could get out of god forsaken upstate and move to Idaho where, I am sure, they just love people of Jewish heritage.
JHK I feel is to the right of my views. To call him racist I is a disservice. What is wrong with holding people to a social contract ?
If one wants a world without ANY social contract all I can say is count me out. Good luck with it. Want to burn down Wall Street ? Have at it. Strong arming a dude feeding his family with a small biz is not revolution or pushing back on the powerful. Poor stealing from the less poor is not really a social statement Pickers in training.
To speculate just a bit beyond some of the very narrowly focused comments, to the dread and horror of comfortably cocooned politicos who operate under the all-encompassing delusion that they can control/steer events, these could be the opening salvos of the class war. Contrary to popular beliefs that race consciousness rules all and the coldly purposeful tactic of having one portion of the underclass kill and oppress another, this is where the real divide is going to be stumbled upon to most of the Folks’ grand surprise. (Just ONE small clue is wha’happen to the unions and the subtextual nagging thought that they can no longer be “afforded” by “job creators”.)
“…we’re in for more violence and anarchy.” And no one will understand why.
(FWIW [not even my 2 cents], I can’t be “educated/persuaded/bullshitted” out of this opinion; I have seen what I have seen and was taught very early on to think, not to believe manipulative, predigested narratives.)
Racist is what the black population wants the rest of us to be, because nobody is born that way.
We are raised to be racist, or polarized by the experience of prolonged helpless to what wants to control our lives.
My polarizing event took place one day at work, while I was catching a smoke in the designated smoking area. “Smokers Only” / “Blacks Only.”
A black man I knew, a co-worker who did not smoke, came over to me on purpose just so he could tell me how he “would never accomplish anything, be anything as long as I was in his way.”
This black man was my manager and boss at the company, the man I worked for and reported to. Just my being white was enough for him to make me his eternal, immortal enemy.
My crime was the color of my skin. The company I use to work for sided with him, against me. My society pretty much does the same. By country sure as hell does it all the time.
My company told us to kiss and make up. I was invited over to his house for dinner, which he used as an excuse to throw me out after dessert was served. Maybe I was dessert, the icing on the cake.
As I was being forcibly escorted out his front door I said, over my shoulder: “This must be a shining achievement for you: finally being able to throw a white man out of your house.”
It doesn’t matter what you say, where you were, what you did, or how you lived your whole life when evil decides to come for you. You can do everything you can, and have it not count for nothing. You can spend your whole life treating people as you would wish to be treated and have it only counted against you.
I have no faith that what needs to happen in Ferguson will happen. All the hate, anger, frustration, futility, the rage, the hopelessness, the truth, will not be served. Again. Ferguson will burn itself out, just like all the other Ferguson’s, and life will only get a little bit worse for everybody.
People are born loving their own – so in that sense you’re wrong. That doesn’t mean you have to or inevitably do hate other groups. Both meanings have been conflated by the Establishment in order to smear Whites. It’s considered fine for other groups to love their own first and foremost, just not Whites. The others aren’t considered racist for loving their own in other words, but only for hating others – and sometimes not even then.
Often people in all White areas believe everything the Media tells them about Minorities. In contrast, Whites typically become “racist” or angry at other groups after close contact with them and their racism. It might not be nice, but it is natural given the nature of men as I have stated above. Now the far Left wants to get rid of Whites via miscegenation. See the thread above. They might theoretically want to get rid of all races, but we are their main, present, and heart felt target.
And I suppose, Janos, that the right wing Republicans have done everything in their power to control immigration these past 40 years?
NO WAY !!! How in Thor’s name do you think the Unions got beaten down?? Cheap labour from down south. The GOP and sadly the DNC are no friends of labour. Both like cheap labour.
I grew up in Ferguson, close to the St. Louis Community College campus. Graduated from McCluer North High School. Back then, in the late 70s, Ferguson was more demographically balanced, racially, than other municipalities in St. Louis County, which were either predominantly white or black. It was a pleasant, nondescript suburb. As with all of the northern part of the county, things changed rapidly, beginning in the mid-80s. My folks could see the writing on the wall, figuratively (and literally, when, one morning, they found “FUCK U WHITE MOTHERFUCKER” spraypainted on their garage door — a pointed response to my father’s race-neutral request for certain neighbors to stop parking in front of his driveway and blocking it. They sold the house and moved to St. Charles County.
White flight happens for a reason.
The Michael Brown case really hit home, with me. When I was 17, my girlfriend and I were walking to her house. A Ferguson Police car pulled up next to us. The cop told us to walk on the sidewalk, not in the street. It seemed like a petty thing, but we did what he told us to do. He drove off, we grumbled about what a jerk he was, and life went on.
Now imagine living a world where you are told to walk on the side walk and not in the street, but there are no side walks.
This is one of the complaints the people of Ferguson are making.
The people of Ferguson are being told there is a curfew but when they try to go home there are roadblocks everywhere. They are stopped every time, and each time they are directed away from where they need to go in order to comply with the curfew, which means they have no choice but to be caught outdoors after curfew, the time of which is changed, the curfew is put into effect 3-hours before it was supposed to.
The journalists in Ferguson were saying the same thing. When they tried to get to where reports of shootings and protests were going on they were directed away from where they needed to go in order to do their jobs.
Captured journalists were escorted to a centralized “media command center” (a holding area for journalists) with promises that representatives for the police (who never showed up) would come and answer questions. Journalists were escorted to these waiting areas by groups of police that out-numbered the journalists 10 to one “for their safety”.
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
Many of our streets in the older parts of Olympia, WA do not have sidewalks. and people live mostly peaceably with each other/ Of course this is in the PNW and we are mostly white with some indonesian Muslims mixed in. Some blacks too. I know a black guy who is married to a Russian immigrant! We are a mixture here and we love it. Please don’t move here, we are fine as we are! Oh yes, we have probably 6 or 7 book stores and about 5 bike shops. along with a wonderful food co-op. But please don’t come here, except as a tourist to see what another world looks like.
PS We are also the state capital, but the leggies meet only 2 or 3 months and then they leave us mostly alone.
Also have a nice old time music venue, but please don’t even think of moving here!
Watched that campus being built. My– did our childhood world change. Remember the fireworks at Northland Shopping Center ? 270 was just starting up. 2 lane 🙂 I feel like someone out of one of Jim’s books talking about the lost past.
“We’re finding out that a culture of opposition produces confrontation, often just for its own sake, because there seems to be nothing better to do.” JHK
This was the general attitude- amongst my friends, neighbors, parents and all authority figures- towards the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King and the protests against the Vietnam War that were happening on college campuses at the time I grew up, in an all-white, largely Republican suburb near Chicago. It was all white not only because of white flight from the city (i.e. fear), but also because redlining was a common practice in the suburbs (i.e. systemic racism.) It had a “common culture” with “uniform standards of behavior” alright: it was racist to the core and questioning authority, whether it be the police, the government or the pastor of our all-white church was regarded as the greatest sin. The massacre at Kent State was “justified”, according to my neighbors, for the grievous crime of “protesting”. The war in Vietnam was largely viewed as a holy war against communism, never to be questioned. The church I attended worshipped a God of vengeance, one that believed Jesus would soon return with a sword demanding allegiance (including the conversion of the Jews) or face eternal torture in the fires of Hell. At school we pledged allegiance to the flag, as it flew over napalmed villages in Vietnam.
I believe that if I remained in this “common culture” I would not be alive today. I escaped this living hell and now live in a diverse city and am close friends with people of many different races and cultures and my life has been richly rewarded as a direct result. Together we practice compassion and are struggling for a more just and humane world, celebrating our victories and mourning our losses, all the while having fun. The dark and cynical world Mr. Kunstler describes is not my world, but the one I escaped, and I feel grateful and blessed for it. So don’t be fooled by the lies, another world is possible.
You sound like a sensitive man of the new Millenia.
I’m singing Kum-ba-ya right now.
Try singing “Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights…” (Peter Tosh) It might sensitize you. On second thought, no, it probably won’t, a__holes generally don’t change…
You didn’t really expect that your gushing self-righteousness would make it past the bar here, did you?
As usual, it’s the holier-than-thous who start flinging asshole epithets around when someone punctures their fragile puffed-up-ed-ness.
You sound like a sensitive man of the new Millenia.
I’m singing Kum-ba-ya right now!
Dear goldmund, happy for you. Keep it going!! Once the media dies a million flowers of thought will bloom. We will need all of them. My hope is that the survivors will become so sickened by the loss of life and violence we turn from that path. Best wishes.
When I went for my walk this morning, I was met by three young men: a black man; a white man; and a brown man.
They were walking as friends, unaware of their difference in color.
It was beautiful to see: young men accepting each other as they are.
It is certain that mankind will move beyond distinctions in race…
I see it every day, especially among young people.
The Test: what would the three do or even see if a Black was attacking a White. I’ve seen White Liberals make excuses for Blacks who have just savaged Whites. Thus to be friends with Blacks, most White Liberals betray their own people. It’s expected and why we have become so despicable. The Brown man would never do that nor would the Black.
What’s with the star next to “The Heretick’s” name? Are our comments being graded?
No, I am not grading the comments and I have no idea where that star icon came from — JHK.
Sorry. My mistake. I am new here. The star was an avatar.
lol…
Incidentally, while I’m at it, how does one get a nice and sparkly icon on here? Anyone?
Anyway…
~ James H. K.
(Some temporary) (extra) violence seems to be what we get when a system of fundamentally-violent/-undemocratic controls we call the state, implodes. Like a peaceful-looking pressure-cooker. Just because you can’t see the cooking/simmering or as much steam, (the ’embedded’ violence) doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this is even desirable, ‘common culture and uniform standards of behavior’, coercively-/violently-imposed, make little sense with regard to freedom and pure democracy and, ultimately, with regard to the ecosystem, itself. We might as well be speaking about a prison.
So it seems to go without saying that a shakeout of this kind of embedded-violence system that doesn’t want to let go willingly is going to be violent, and maybe lead to a new (and better form of) anarchy that takes its place, assuming there’s anything left…
Here’s an essay, entitled ‘Do We Ever Really Get Out of Anarchy?’.
A quote from the intro:
“I did read the dialogue and have to wonder why did the policeman get out of his car and start chasing him?”
Cops follow training protocols, SW. Plus, this particular LEO had already been assaulted inside the car – according to some reports.
And there’s no real point in you and me attempting to bring this thing to trial here on CFN. I’m willing to wait for the evidence to be presented at trial. Unfortunately – the Grievance Industry is ginning up the hate in Ferguson, to demand “No Justice = No Peace.”
This loosely translates to :”Justice will be this cop arrested, tried, convicted of murder, and sentenced to a long prison term – Otherwise NO PEACE.”
By repeating and amplifying the meme of a blameless victim with a handful of cigars, SW – you are adding to the problems of the black community in Ferguson. And that is all you appear to be doing.
You have anything else to add?
Above comment was for SW, concerning exculpatory video evidence for the Ferguson LEO’s CFN trial. Haha! Humor is important, even in desperate times.
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/mr-bad-example/#comment-176322
How am I adding to the problems of the black community in Ferguson by pointing out this confrontation was over a package of cigars? That makes no sense. I’m not saying this kid was blameless — no, no one should shoplift — just that this is excessive force and “following a protocol” doesn’t excuse anyone from using their position of authority to murder an unarmed man. Remember, progress4what, the Nazis were “just following orders.” We don’t need anymore of that.
The facts are not clear, we can agree on that, and no one needs to jump to conclusions. Hopefully, the people gathering evidence and trying this case will be impartial.
Right. And Trayvon just wanted to get some skittles. Distraction is an old tactic of the Left. If the Officer fired to protect himself against the “Gentle Giant”, will you be ok with that? And if he is found innocent? No, right? Admit it: you’ve tried and convicted him already. You’d love to see him lynched by those Blacks too.
Dear Janos whoever you are:
I have neither tried nor convicted anyone here. I just wonder if killing a big kid who walking down a street with a friend (even if he had stolen a pack of cigars earlier) is an appropriate response. and what was the relationship between the police and the ‘civilians’ in that suburb before that ‘incident’? I’m glad I live in the PNW and not out there in the hinterlands, but I still wonder about the racial divide, which is not so apparent here.
PS to all: our local police don’t seem to have as much armament given them by the military as some places do, and that is strange since Ft. Lewis is right next door, but perhaps I’m not aware of what is going on. Maybe they are sending all their old tired Strykers to local polizei in Olympia, Lacey, Tumwater, Dupont and points north, but I have not seen any.
Did you not hear about this one? It was national news. “Shorty” Belton, a WW2 veteran was beaten to death by two Black youfs – apparently for fun. He took a bullet in Okinawa and suffered with what sounds like PTSD for many years afterwards. But he worked his way out of it. He was killed waiting for his friend in VFW parking lot.
There was another famous case of a Black beating women to death along a local trail. Statistics are clear: they rape, rob, and murder at seven to ten times the White rate. Not seven to ten percent more – seven to ten TIMES as much. Clear? They are not the material of which civilizations are comprised.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wwii-veteran-survived-bullet-okinawa-dies-attack-washington-parking-lot-article-1.1434708
“They are not the material of which civilizations are comprised”.~ Janos Skorenzy,
Civilizations based on so-called ‘black’ slavery and wage-slavery and neo-feudalism in general? Agreed.
Slavery/Feudalism never went away. Like ‘financial instruments’ perhaps, it just got re-smoked-and-mirrored.
Here’s another one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477771/Lawrence-E-Shine-Thornton-Beloved-veteran-known-local-community-hot-tamales-killed-teens-violent-mugging.html
I’ve got to go with Janos on this one, and here’s how this whole situation hurts blacks, and your analogy in particular.
I remember MLK, Selma, all of it, MLK is one of the greatest Americans to ever live, he actually avoided a race war by the tactics he used. To think for even one moment that this Baptist preacher would approve for an instant of strongarm robbery, sagging pants, and gangsta rap, is stretching credulity beyond belief.
The more the Black community (the use of which term, by and of itself, is specious) defends the thugs within their midst, the more people such as myself who sympathize with their struggle are alienated.
Your ignoring the rapidly unfolding facts, and twisting the narrative to fit a false conclusion which you favor, does nothing to help the people in the ghetto cope with the very real problems they face.
I personally have had friends die in very similar circumstances, I understand why they thought they should do what they did, but 40 years later they are still gone, and I have never forgotten them. Black kids dying committing crimes or fighting with the cops is nothing new; railroading Officer Wilson won’t bring Big Mike back.
Have you noticed that when something really awful is happening in the world or the country that Wall Street celebrates?
“Ferguson burns. Wall Street Soars!”
When the news is just too gosh darn awful here in this country the media turns its focus outward, globally. And when the world is really sucking it big time, it news becomes all about U.S.
The powers that be want it to be all one world, but only when the world has its shit together.
No mention of overly militarized police tactics, police threats against journalists?
The police are supposed to protect the people. The military is supposed to protect the government. The government hasn’t found a war it could win since World War II, so it militarizes the police forces here in the United States of America so it can bring war home to all the people of Ferguson. To the government, good or bad, the enemy is all the same.
Right on Bill ! That really makes a joke out of ” They hate us for our Freedom.”
It’s only natural that the US face the same types of challenges and changes that the old Soviet Empire when it underwent system failure; racial/ethnic turmoil and breakups, economic collapse, institutional failures, moral decay & corruption, etc. etc
The case that somehow the US political system will have an effective response to our contemporary problems, is sadly terribly naive and completely denies the state of the government today. The bloated, corrupt and insulated political class of the 2 party system encourages status quo above all else– even when the path leads it over a cliff.
The US is not made up of some population of ‘uber-men’; exceptionally different to the rest of the world’s humanity, or somehow made genetic superiors to some individual in China or Argentina, simply on the merits of 1776. We operate under the exact same needs & desires every all other human beings on Earth. Whether its the Austro-Hungarians, the Yugoslavs, the Soviets, the Roman Imperials– the history of multi or omni-ethnic empires or countries only last as long as common interests of the majority of those involved are served. As JHK points out in the article, government regulated generational poverty isn’t a sustainable way to run a society of the future.
If you don’t mind me saying so, well said. The only bit I don’t get was “… the merits of 1776.” What were they? I suppose there must have been some, but surely some disadvantages too. War – and civil war in particular, which I’m convinced the Revolution in many ways was – is never pleasant and it’s hard to see too much advantage emerging from it. For too long now the American creation myth has got away with the assertion – usually, but not always, implicit – that the rebels were the victims of British imperial policy instead of doing the dirty work at the sharp end of its implementation.
Tell us more Vlad! why were the rebels victims. Why did they not do the dirty work etc.?
I’ve just re-read my post to see if my wording was clumsy. Perhaps it is, but I still don’t see how it can be read as implying that the rebels were victims or were not the implementers of British imperialism. Hence I don’t get your question.
PeteAtomic, this is a good insight.
America was born in revolution, and it had a civil war. That is enough historical evidence to suggest it could happen again, in ways people don’t expect.
Diversity training for the Spokane Police Department (Washington State) included a lesbian speaker who carefully explained that men, too, can be lesbians – essentially transgender “gays” in male bodies that like women. Apparently, one can’t even be straight, without some latent gay gene or some other malarkey lurking around.
There, you now know more about the kind of drivel the liberal left pushes at aw enforcement to help ensure police are fair and of an open-minded disposition!
Quite the place, Spokane. Church groups and the State Dept. are bringing 15000 Congolese tribesman per year into Spokane. It must be rich, too, because none of them have any money and will be living off the State.
The Spokane cops are going to need all the Diversity Training they can get.
–brh
Spokane, rich? Not!
I recall reading a statistic some years back that indicated that Spokane has, per capita, the highest number of residents living in poverty than ANY OTHER CITY OF MEASURABLE SIZE IN THE UNITED STATES!!
And it shows here. Spokane is a criminal haven with a good set of well-off wealthy people who want to be “near nature, near perfect” (a joke in itself) but preyed upon by the criminals supported by pawn shops that claim to, but do not follow any legitimate rule of law. Spokane’s police force is paid one of the highest wages in the nation, excepting the ludicrous examples of California where the councils were voting themselves pay increases every meet – and there’s a lot of them – to combat the criminals that lurk in every nook and corner of this said, diseased, benighted city.
As for the congolese influx, I’m not sure where that’s coming from – Spokane is a predominantly white WASP territory with the erstwhile Aryan Nation’s compound not far off. We’re also not too far from where Randy Weaver’s son was killed by the FBI at Ruby Ridge.
The future we want to think about is an economy based on show business, celebrity and entertainment.
Can’t help noticing the parallels between the Brown shooting and its riotous aftermath, and the Israeli-Palestinian/Gaza situation…with all the various actors playing their part:
In both cases we have the so-called ‘Victim’ unable to perceive the connection between their thuggery and the calamitous consequences of their actions. We have the outraged, though uninformed masses whipped into a frenzy by duplicitous race-baiters and the glutinous media. And we have the ‘Scapegoat’, thrown under the bus by the dysfunctional, enabling ‘Powers That Be’ in response to the public cry for ‘Justice’.
A grotesque circus, seemingly without end…
Yes, indeed.
After reading your comment, I think we may disagree on who the ‘players’ are. In my comparison, the so-called ‘Victim’ is Mr. Brown and his cohorts, as well as Hamas…neither able to perceive the connection between their thuggery and the calamitous consequences of their actions. The ‘Scapegoat’ is the policeman, who was likely defending himself from Mr. Brown’s aggression, as Israel has done with Hamas…and Eric Holder represents the enabling ‘Powers That Be’, as does the United Nations and other governments critical of Israel for their justifiable defense.
Still agree?
Yes, I still agree. My other comment was kind of free-ranging on the topic so it probably wasn’t that clear.
Beryl, thanks for clarifying…
I ride public transportation all over Minneapolis-St. Paul and have for years. I suggest if you suddenly, magically, replaced all white cops in the country with black cops, in 2-3 years you’d have a whole bunch of black cops who despise, loathe and harbor a deep desire to hurt and kill (mostly young male) black people too. It’s not a white-black thing as I see it; the “thuggo-sluggo” reality of lowly human existence, is a wretched degrading dehumanized and dehumanizing sub-culture of baby-talking hominid primates with the collective IQ of a 12-year-old, for which society is perpetually bent on continuing funding.. (big mistake). In closing I would like to just add: thanks founding farthers! Great job! Thanks for bein’ too damn lazy.. to pick yer own damn cotton.. etc..
Don’t be so sure: during Katrina, Black Cops walked off the job en masse. But some were filmed helping their Co-Ethnics break into stores first. The City was held by a few White Cops. Then the National Guard came and started taking people’s guns. A perfect storm. You’re doin’ a hellava job Brownie….
Bravo on your race realism. Blood will tell. Nature bats last and She batted first too.
..founding “fathers”.. should read..
Interesting. I’ve been thinking about the the “predominately white Ferguson PD.” It strikes me that since so many in the black community reflexively distrust cops, that it would be a career path many of them would be unlikely to pursue, hence a commensurate smaller pool of qualified applicants. Not to say that the force may not be a total cockup, but it seems to me that this simplistic “it’s all whitey’s fault” is a bit too pat.
St. Louis County PD: Molotov cocktails being thrown at police. Tactical units on scene. Please leave the area!
https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/501189523091361792
Just wonder, are they using the same recipes as in Kiev this March?
I sometimes wonder if the condescension machine does what it does deliberately to distract from the real problems. I do know for fact that the farther one lives from the places like Ferguson, the more likely it becomes that one holds similar views.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote an interesting piece for the time magazine website, in which he states that the coming race wars won’t be solely about race. I think if he and Mr. Kunstler were to sit down and talk, they would have some very productive discussions, don’t you?
I think that people who weren’t “car-ready” when the jobs started leaving the inner cities suffered more than those who already had a leg up the socio-economic ladder. A lot of young white men I know have had a disproportionate number of run-ins with the police, related to motor vehicle infractions, not including drunken driving. They just aren’t making enough money to keep a vehicle paid for, insured, in safe running order, and registered all at the same time.
We have made criminals out of people for economic reasons. I know that people will say that if you can’t afford the cost of driving then you shouldn’t be driving, but those people were never in the same position.
To sum up, there’s a very high cost today to lifting yourself out of dependency, and many people just can’t make the hurdle. If you live in Colonie and are white, you aren’t going to blame white racism. If you live in Ferguson and aren’t white, that’s what it will look like to you, especially if you have white people in the media telling you so.
Ferguson, MO is described as about 1/3 white.
after the events of the past week, I wonder how many white people are will still be around?
Astonishing as it sounds, Camden, NJ, Detroit, New Haven, CT and Wilmington DE were once decent, orderly, prosperous cities, good places to live and raise a family. i know its hard to believe, seeing the condition of those places now. Every single week there are black people murdered in the cities of this state, by other blacks Its such a common occurrence its hardly even noticed.
–BRH
Any professional papers on why those cities deteriorated? I’d like to know. Just the socionolist is me asking. I live elsewhere where people get along with each other and don’t move away. so far.
In 1900, kids learned double entry accounting, math for small business, a trade, and could see and feel the economic fabric of their communities. The patterns of social relations were apparent. Places produced nearly everything they had locally, or could import domestic commodities. Production of goods locally was everywhere.
In 2014, you have no idea what economic or social relationship you have to the people around you. There aren’t any good jobs (eg, one that will trade, for your time, some constructive experience or skill set.) “20 years of schooling and they put you on the day shift”… you’re supposed to genuflect to the Dems and Reps for making it possible to operate a cash register for 40 mind-numbing hours a week being forced to listen to the emotional torpor of ubiquitous popular music.
What happened to the idea that schooling is for human development? Now it is for grading and sorting feedstock for corporations, hoping for the next Mark Zuckerberg to produce windfalls for Western capital formation in an “idea economy”. We can afford tens of millions of losers for 1 redeeming exceptional STEM graduate with a miracle cure for our economic distress.
Whats a young person to do? You can build nothing, improve on nothing, schooling teaches you nothing immediately useful, and its either get off my lawn (private property) or get out of the street (public property). The civic infrastructure is a landscape of de-naturing, depressing, soulless and dispiriting crap resembling a WWF-sponsored demolition derby/gladiatorial arena. Rumor has it some adults could be role models but they’re nowhere in sight- ensconced in glass window high rises doing arcane things staring at computer screens all day.
You’re stuck in a room with 30 hyperactive, drugged, and stressed out sugar-fed corporate larvae being “instructed” by a vacuous millennial without any life experience or wisdom. You weren’t worthless in 1900. If you could swing a hammer you could get a job. Its as if they don’t realize that average intelligence is what most people have to work with. The range of viable options are very narrow; in 1900 there was work of all kinds for all levels, and all skills. Now, the categories are few and have extremely high barriers to entry.
Try competing for skilled labor jobs against Jose, and his brothers Jose, and Jose, for the wages that Jose willingly lives on in an apartment 4 to a room, and at the end of the year, not have a country to go back to with wads of cash in your pockets, but a load of bills and no new skills developed for all that work.
Once when young, I was reading the help wanted. One said, wanted fruit stacker with experience. I realized that there were far too many people chasing far too few jobs if they could be that inanely picky.
Yes, once Hispanics rise to management, the field is “captured”. They will not hire anyone else. Why would they? Is anyone going to make them?
Bullshit, Janos!
Our local food co-op has black, hispanic (of several ilk) peand white people all working together, and even people buying food together without any one ‘capturing the management’ of the place. and for two little stores we do over $5 million in stuff and people generally love us and want to shop there since many of the cashiers remember their names.
Whites are in Management though, right? Hispanics tend to only hire their own. Blacks tend not to get far enough to hire anyone but when they do, they act the same.
The Great:
Best comment.
Read the Gentle Giants lyrics. No more need be said. He was a complete waste of resources and space.
http://clashdaily.com/2014/08/gentle-giant-mike-browns-explicit-rap-songs-praising-drugs-drinking-hos-murder/
You are pretty much spot on but you don’t have to go all the way back to 1900.
Some would say the golden age was post WW2, others might even date it well into the 80s and 90s.
But yes, this new millenium has been one unmitigated disaster after another.
Thank you. Great post. All wealth is flowing to the top. My wife had a summer class on education ( needed to taken a non math course ) every teacher stated the goal of education is job training and to make people fit into pre packaged roles. She was the lone voice against that. Got an A. She is still unemployed with a MA in math years later. So much for education in today’s world.
he is right, i have the 1900 books to prove it.
St. Louis County PD: Many people reporting men with guns, not police, in the area of W. Florissant. We have received several calls stating the same.
https://twitter.com/stlcountypd/status/500873989049171968
May be they just want to join European Union? Welfare pay is better over there
That’s it? You’re not going to tell us what race they are? You should get hired by the mainstream media.
How the hell do I know? I have same access to facts as you are, except I am reading Russian net. Looks like coup against Obama. Who’s doing that? Your guess is as good as mine.
Don’t think it’s Russians, that would be too much.
But so far looks like Kiev’s March scenario.
Areas like Ferguson have a sort of unwritten code that people live by, and unfortunately die by. If you’re OK with it you stay. If you’re not you leave, or either end up in jail, beat up, or simply vanish. There is no negotiation. What that kid did in that store wasn’t the first time. Word gets around. His days were numbered. This sort of unwritten law, people keeping each other in line, is like the code red in the marines… a sort of self policing. If the kid does not hear or heed the warning, he’s going down. That is life in rural America. That is what no one wants to talk about. Everybody knows. A big black kid like that. Well let’s just say the cops were salivating like Pavlov’s dogs.
That’s the only way Whites will be able to survive. But is Ferguson really a rural area? Isn’t it a minority majority suburb of minority ridden St Louis?
Yeah, us crackers are on the verge of extinction. Please, please, please, tell me you live in some shithole in the Eastern Bloc and not here?
no, not rural at all. just the inter ring of the rotting suburbs of rotting st.lou. why I left it decades ago.
There is a geography of nowhere backdrop to this story, but Jim seems to have missed it: Pruitt-Igoe
Pruitt- Igoe. What memories. THE PRUITT-IGOE MYTH is a great film on those times. My family worked on building it & I saw it come down. Hope JHK and everyone else checks the film out. What a shame we do not have time to pull all the crap down.
Why did I have to go to London papers to learn Brown had 4 felony convictions as a juvenile and is a 300 lb serial strong arm robber?
Eric holder is going to Ferguson, link arms with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, commiserate on scene with the New Black Panthers and Young Communists of America. What a crew!
Hartford is stirring but so far no riots. Remarkably, there are still burned out buildings from when they torched the place back in ’68! If you drive thru there now you’d think burning the place to the ground might be an improvement. At one time there were meadows and woodland down there … perhaps someday that can be restored!
–brh
Censorship ( self maybe ) and a Corp. owned media.
In a World Made By Hand, Blacks have a big advantage: they can take the Sun far better and thus work in the fields with less sun burn and skin cancer. Yet we will outwork them nonetheless. You all know it. Let the Truth shine. If you hide it, it will turn to poison within you. I’ve seen people with green skin from holding the Truth in. It’s a kind of lying but sometimes worse than a personal lie because the Truth is so precious.
JHK has a point. The problem is the culture. The guy didn’t deserve to get shot if he was running away, he didn’t commit a violent crime so I think there needs to be a further investigation. But if it is true, what makes you think its ok to grab some cigars from a store with out paying for it? I think it’s the glorification of the thug life that is taken for normal behavior in the black community, that’s why you have so much fear thats generated from that persona. A lot of whites view young black men with a certain type of dress as threatening and it is justified by the actions of some of those black young men. But when all you see is gansta rap and you are emersed in that culture constantly, you don’t have a job, you can’t take care of your kids, because you don’t make any money, or you have a job, but the pay is so lousy, that you are never going to get ahead, never going to have anything, never going to move out of your momma’s house and be a man, never going anywhere doing that straight life, then the thug life looks real attractive, because that all they see. They don’t see anybody working and their lives are getting any better, even if they are working. Most of the educated blacks moved away because the jobs aren’t there. There’s no man in the house, they don’t have a job either. He at least was going to college, so he had some stability in his life. We have a lot of young men in America just like this guy black ,white, brown. We GOT to find them something to do or this is going to become everyday America. Nothing to do but play violent video games, got two or three kids, looking at dysfuntional people on videos living the high life hustling. The TV’s on all day. Study for what, nobody’s hiring, (or nobody’s hiring him), or if they did something dumb, when they were younger, now they have a record for some minor bullshit, so no one’s going to hire him. Most of those mistakes could have been avoided if the culture was different. But the cultures profitable. Look at all those Cadillac’s, phones and Jordan’s you can sell or finance subprime. You go for your taste of the closest you’re ever going to get to the good life because thats what Jay z is driving
What you are seeing in Missouri is just the tip of the iceberg. Imagine scenes like that occurring daily on a nationwide basis with much more intensity and violence when the collapse runs its course soon.
I had been posting for quite some time now about the racial powder keg that will explode when the money is gone and the austerity programs/safety nets get eliminated. You will have millions of people with absolutely nothing left to lose. Look at how people in the US are reacting initially to the collapse? I could post a link to youtuce videos where the CA cops are slashing down tent cities, but for some reason they are prohibited here. Another homeless tent city was thriving in MI near Ann Arbor, the homeless had cleared out a wooded area and started gardening and growing their own food. One of the local snots, who still has his job and a nice house and all that other good shit, starting complaining to the local officials that he was concerned that the proximity of the homeless camp would lower the property value of his house, so they chased them out. I wonder how many froze to death from this last winter from hell….Then they start shutting off water to the poor in Detroit, while the drought is ravaging the west, Nestle is bottling up like 75% of the water that is there for sale. If you can’t pay, you go without. Doesn’t work so well when it comes to air, water, food, and shelter. The initial US response which is basically “fuck em” is rather telling.
I also posted that minorities are taking notice of the police brutality and are starting to get very pissed off about it. I work with them and here their remarks when they see, for instance, that homeless woman getting pummeled from some Neanderthal CA police officer for walking along a freeway embankment. Then this big guy in NY gets strangled and smothered for supposedly illegally selling cigarettes (the government wants its goddamned taxes) and some slick haired spokes asshole tries to justify the action by blabbing about how “resisting arrest” is a serious charge (which the man clearly did not do) and that went viral, and now the next one in Missouri. One version has the kid running from police, another states he started running then doubled back at police. Whatever the case may be, this was bound to happen and will only escalate as what’s left of the economy deteriorates
So this is the wave of the future in the US. Mass rioting with militarized cops on steroids beating and shooting the populace into submission as the DHS imposes martial law in a post collapse US. Curbside justice from the “forces of law and order” with torrents of blood flooding the streets of the US
There are no accidents when it comes to wholesale changes in behavior, dress, speech, and culture. As a resident of CA, I can tell you that in the U. of California system there are now more Asian students than white students in a color blind admission system. By Asian I mean both Indian and East Asian.
Why has this happened? Simple. Whites are coddling their kids … even ones that are in their 20s and 30s. They have ZERO work ethic compared to the tenacity of Asian kids. I’ve seen this for the last 20 years. Also, Whites no longer have civic consciousness so they do not band and neighbor together. Asians take over entire communities, business subsectors, companies (especially tech), slots in colleges, and even retirement communities. They band together. Whites don’t.
Indeed, Blacks and Hispanics band together. Whites are the most fragmented ethnicity in the USA right now but nowhere more than California. I went on one of those white supremacist blogs to see what was doing. They showed all these “hot” white women and bragged about how much prettier whites are than other ethnicities. However, half the women had GIANT tattoos. As an anonymous, I pointed out that tattoos largely emanated from black ghetto culture which these folks allegedly detested.
Even the supremacist groups don’t get it. You can’t claim the cultural hegemony you once had if your own race is getting trashier via paradigms that came out of the prison or ghetto. You can’t claim cultural hegemony if you have zero cohesion, little work ethic, and starkly falling levels of intellectual development.
It’s a global catastrophe because European whites invented and built everything that all the other ethnicities want access to or want to buy (the Internet, computers, you name it). The Asian cultures are fantastic mimickers but not very good creators. So, has Peak Creativity already come and gone. I think so.
We’re outnumbered, not even 10% of the world population.
In SAfrica nearly a million Boers and Afrikaners live in squalid refugee and squatters camps. About 50 of them are murdered per day by black gangs that rampage thru these camps with whips and guns. It is against whites to own firearms in SAfrica..All this should make some of the posters here happy.
–BRH.
Yes, we’re VASTLY outnumbered because of low birth rates while Asians are reproducing like mink. It’s a double-whammy because those Asians are not only out-reproducing us, they’re out performing us in universities and getting better jobs.
If we were as smart as Russia, we’d give incentives for our European-ancestored Americans to reproduce. Russia is doing just that. However, if our white kids follow the social and cultural route of the ghetto or prison yard, frankly we have no hope whatever.
Even at the high school level in California, all the senior class valedictorians at local Bay Area high schools are Korean or Indian or Chinese … rarely White. At this point, seeing the enormous number of white kids with backwards baseball caps, crotch-scraper pants, and ghetto language, I don’t see a way out. We’re “self-ghettoizing”.
That’s why every elderly White person has to get in the act and start condemning the language, dress, academic underperformance, and musical tastes of kids in their crucial post-pubescent years.
Courage.
“And piss on all of your background
And piss on all your surroundings”
~ Tragically Hip
” So this is the wave of the future in the US. Mass rioting with militarized cops on steroids beating and shooting the populace into submission as the DHS imposes martial law in a post collapse US. Curbside justice from the “forces of law and order” with torrents of blood flooding the streets of the US ”
One of the reasons guns must be taken from the general population. I fear you are right. When you see the GOP reaching for private guns the fun begins. And they will. Brady was a man ahead of his party.
Wait a minute. Is looting contagious? Today a gang of ‘Youths’, in Monrovia, Liberia, attacked a hospital full of ebola victims (rubble strewn yard, crumbling walls, no doors), drove the sick and dying patients out into the street, beat some up, stole everything not nailed down, then burned the place to the ground.
Sound familiar?
This was on PBS.
–BRH
Thanks James, For another weekly post.
You covered the decline in the Empire pretty well in The Long Emergancy, Which I read after I lost my Last job. I could see the walls disolving around me as we slid over the peak of Oil Production and started down the long road of less for everyone.
When I moved back in with my parents to the House that I picked out to live in ages ago, they picked it cause it had space for the Kitchen stove, I liked it for the yard, It is still the same house, though the carport is now mostly a work area and spare storage room. And we built up the back yard with several storage sheds, and one big work shed. And now even have a free range Chicken back there.
When I moved back I had to do some fine tuning of my parent’s atitudes about the people living here abouts, as they had started getting whiffy about other races, and that was not like them. The tensions of the world was hindering them to much. I grew up to not see skin color or country of orgin as much of a difference, it is there, but you don’t let it impact how you treat people. They are Humans just like you and As a Christ Follower, they are to be treated just like I’d like to be treated.
But there are bad people that live on the street, or rather a few bad apples, and they have strong opinions and some even have crime as their first friend. It doesn’t matter what color you are, crime is bad for everyone, we don’t like it on my street. We are a racially mixed group of people, most of us know each other. My dad has been in almost everyone’s house helping them with something or other as he was a Maintaince Engineer for a locally owned Department store chain back in the 80’s and 90’s working for that family and it’s buyers for 27 years, But he was always handy with his hands and tools. Most of the storage is of tools and the hardware items those tools work with.
Me I am a gardener, I like to grow things. I try to grow relationships with the people in my area, I’d rather have peace and calm than anything else around here, after all I will be living here for the rest of my days, been here for part of the 37 years we’ve had the house and it was going to be mine after my parents were gone something I’d be willing to work for, so having peace here is for a good thing.
When the police think that they are a military fighting crime with their guns, then you have problems, they are Peace officers first, not military men, that are trained to kill first ask questions later. I was watching some old Starsky and Hutch episodes the other day, and they didn’t kill the bad guys for the most part, they let the courts handle them, even if they didn’t agree all the time. We let the world get killer on us, we let the Peace officer become the killer military man, rather than the old friendly guy that offered the friendly advice first the knock on the head second. We didn’t complain when it was being moved off the peaceful first position and we are reaping our crop for what we sowed. This is as much the publics fault as it the gov’ts faults, after all Aren’t we By the People For the People?
Empire collapse is no fun, but we can still be peaceful if we keep our own selves at peace more often than not.
Charles.
Good luck Charles. Plant a few nut tress to with your veg garden. Miss JHK’s garden photos I hope 2015 is a great year for his and everyone else garden.
Have you watched Brooklyn’s Finest with Richard Gere? He plays a city beat cop who’s loathe to use a firearm for any reason choosing instead to settle conflicts without displaying it. His new rookie partner gets killed when he, as trained, yanks out his gun to move a crowd back from him …
It’s a great show, I think should be watched by every cop as a shining example of how it ought to be.
Man, I think you’re living the new American dream. I’m trying to get out of suburbia as fast as I can. My dream home is a trailer and about 3 acres of land in a two stoplight town. Small enough that you don’t have to share the water supply, the police force, and the food store with a million other people. Everyone knows each other, and all that class bullshit is kept to a minimum. small enough where robbing something is “just practicing”, theres nothing left to steal. My fear is the concentration of poverty and the gangsta culture. That culture doesn’t foster self reliance or resourcefulness. There’s shame in getting dirty and sweaty for a living. Your father sounds like a good man, those type of guys have know how. they know how to keep things going and running, and this country are losing guys like that at an alarming rate. When collapse comes, it wont be the guys in the suits who save what is left of this county or the politicians, it will be people who will keep the water systems running, the refrigeration going for the food, the communications of some kind going, people who know how to build and maintain things, people who know how to grow food. We lost most of that knowhow when we shipped all those manufacturing jobs out of the country, and industrialized our agriculture, now we’re all “cube rats” who don’t know how to do anything but an excel spreadsheet. I’m starting to think that good paying job, where you spend ALL your time, is a trap, it keeps you from acquiring other skills like canning, gardening, home construction. Those types of skills take years to acquire. I’m trying to garden. Since I’ve moved to suburbia, all I grown is weeds, but I’ve been acquiring more know how year after year. I’m not going to give up, the way I see it, my life may depend on my garden one day. I have yet to find that community though, I envy you with community you have, everyone here is so status conscious, what they live in, what they are driving, I have to watch what I say, don’t want to offend the Fox news watchers.
I’m from working class, moved to an middle-upper middle class area, but I hate it. Never have time for anything but to pay bills, because that what a good consumer does. Make sure your lawn looks good, got to keep up that curb appeal on a house that you will never get your money out of if you sell it. I’m like a lot of people, got caught in the bill trap trying to “look successful”. I regret it now and I’m trying to work toward what you have.
SW, you finished up pretty well. Look:
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“The facts are not clear, we can agree on that, and no one needs to jump to conclusions. Hopefully, the people gathering evidence and trying this case will be impartial” – sw –
But your other words make one hope you will not be gathering evidence or (I sure hope not!) trying the case. IOW, you come across as heavily biased. Look:
“… pointing out this confrontation was over a package of cigars? That makes no sense. I’m not saying this kid was blameless — no, no one should shoplift — just that this is excessive force and “following a protocol” doesn’t excuse anyone from using their position of authority to murder an unarmed man. Remember, progress4what, the Nazis were “just following orders.” We don’t need anymore of that.” – sw –
Jeeze, sw. Bias much? Do you think they would strike you from jury duty if you invoke Nazis following orders on the question on the questionnaire about “attitudes toward police officers?” The prosecution wouldn’t strike you – maybe the defence would see a problem.
And I gave you the opening to examine the response protocols and make suggestions for change. And your response was to say “Damn Nazis followed protocols, and orders, and shit,” to paraphrase. Are you familiar with Godwin’s law? You might want to look it up.
And also consider that this may have not been “excessive force” at all. It just might have been perfectly justified force against a wildly charging suspect – and that if the cop had hesitated a split second he would be dead instead of Brown.
Anyway – here’s my suggestion for a changed protocol.
How about every on-duty LEO wear a video recorder while working?
I don’t know if you’ll read this or not but I did want to explain why I think “just following protocols” is a dangerous line to take. I’m a nurse and we also have protocols to follow but what I’m being paid for and required to do is use my judgement about following them. Every situation, whether in a hospital or a street, requires us to think before we act. I have to think before I mindlessly give a patient a medication b/c of the potential for harm. A policeman has the same responsibility–he carries a gun that can destroy a life in an instant. That’s why following protocol or just following orders can be so destructive.
SW – I believe you are confusing civilian law enforcement training protocols in the United States with war crimes and other known evils.
Look, if you’re a nurse you know something about stress, and you ARE FOLLOWING a training protocol every single time you check the medication prior to giving it to a patient. If you are very will trained you will follow this protocol regardless of yelling doctors, blood on the floor, or a …. (hold that thought)*
Good cops are trained to follow training protocols – this is as it should be. Not to follow protocols is to expose the LEO, the public, and the suspect to needless risk. And training protocols are subject to local, state, federal, and public review.
There are several possible problems with police protocols in Ferguson:
1. They may have good protocols which are NOT being followed.
2. They may have bad protocols which ARE being followed.
And if either 1 or 2 is a problem, there will be an investigation (40 FBI agents ought to do it, don’t you think?) and there will be charges, arrests, trials, penalties, civil trials, etc, etc.
Or it my be that # 1 will be found to be the case – in which case no consequences will ensue, and no changes will be made.
Remember protocols can be changed. One think I keep hearing is “why didn’t they shoot the suspect in the leg?” Well, because shooting to wound is not part of the protocol. That’s why they call use of a weapon by a LEO “lethal force,” instead of “wounding force.” But there are sound reasons for the existing protocols. If you’ve got good ideas for changing them, though – I’d like to hear from you.
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(hold that thought)* SW, if you are very well trained, you would follow your training protocol and check that medication to protect your patient – – – even if a 300 pound adult were charging full speed toward you. I believe officer Wilson may have done the same thing. We’ll find out. That is what investigations and grand jury presentments are for.
The Governor of MO disagrees, saying today he wants Wilson “prosecuted” regardless of evidence. I’m an anonymous poster on CFN – he’s the governor of a state.
Interesting times, hey?
This may be part of what collapse looks like.
OH MY GOODNESS!! IS IT POSSIBLE??
Is our president growing into his job as president of all the people?
Look:
‘“I have to be very careful about not pre-judging these events before investigations are completed,” Obama said, noting that both local and federal law enforcement are involved. “When they’re conducting an investigation, I’ve got to make sure that I don’t look like I’m putting my thumb on the scales one way or the other.”
Obama called for transparency and accountability, so that “people can trust the process hoping that as a consequence of a fair and just process, you end up with a fair and just outcome.” – pres. obama –
No saying, “The cops acted stupidly!”
No saying, “If I had a son, he’d look like Travon.”
So maybe there’s hope. Or – here’s a thought – maybe the pres. has seen the results of the investigations and has realized that this case is a justified use of force and the the cop is gonna be exonerated. Interesting idea, you gotta admit.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0818/Obama-to-people-of-Ferguson-Let-s-seek-to-heal-each-other
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/08/18/dont-know-happened-michael-brown-stop-pretending/
Pretty good analysis. This guy tilts rightward, but not that far at all in this case. Good argument/counterargument.
Actually Howard, you are correct in the seasonality factors. It is tied to the seasonality of geomagnetism. Spring, summer, fall and winter all have alternating peaks and valleys. Risk peaked in the spring of this year. Fall awaits.
i am booooored.
Network-centric warfare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-centric_warfare
Successful application of Network-centric warfare we saw recently in Slavyansk, SE Ukraine when a relatively small number of professional fighters under the command of FSB Colonel Strelkov fend off much greater forces of Ukrainian army during several months.
But Russians did not invented the concept – it was developed in Pentagon, US.
If any of this technologies are applied in Ferguson, Missouri US counterinsurgency forces will have tough time containing the problem.
Head line…Bitter Old Fart writes another article. JHK you need a new theme…same old path to destruction and a crap society…all due to energy and parlor tricks by the elite. How about something fresh next week?
It will be a better society. The crap society is our carbon based present. DOW 17,000!!! Millions of Americans with food insecurity all is well. Entertainment Tonight NEXT!!!!
So I turn on the news this morning … at least 5 people shot to death in the state in the past 2 days. 4 blacks, 1 puerto rican. One poor guy in New Haven was shot thru the head sitting at his computer on his birthday. The bullet came thru a window. Last night in Bristol a black dude stabbed his 1 year old niece to death who he was babysitting, right in the stomach. Also last night 3 three black ‘youths’ went on a rampage in West Hartford, ages 16-21, including 2 home invasions, several beatings, robberies and muggings. This is just in the past 48 hours or so, and I left a lot of stuff out.
This is the reality of it, what cops deal with every day. Not the lying political bullsh-t on MSNBC and PBS.
–BRH
As Pat and Lil Deb have said, what else can they do? This society is racist! They have to shoot each other and us too.
By most yet posting on this site is missed the salient point forced by an objective examination of the human predicament. The classic analogy “rearranging the chairs on the Titanic” is irresistible. Anxiety reduction I guess, believing in a secularized version of “last judgment” that corrects all historical injustice, fulfilling the Left’s utopian dream of justice and provision for all — all 8 billion regardless race, religion or creed. AMEN!
The objective truth is that Mom Nature has already put the cake in the oven. The recipe now reads that once done possibly all of humanity will be done also. The only possible exception being spotty places on the globe where today remain sustainable ratio of human population to local resource — that population having 21st objective grasp of reality enough to maintain that ratio against the rising pressure of overpopulation elsewhere. Who did what to who in the past is completely moot now, time to press “re start”.
CP,
Quite possibly. I think Paul Ehrlich would agree with us.
Funny thing though; I would opine that these same troubles have a [nearly equal!] chance to affect Rigid Rightwing Authoritarians. Strange, huh? I had always thought that political ideologies, or gluttonous consumption and waste were a shield against anything that Mom Nature could throw at us! Oh well, another delusion evaporated….
Got icebergs? Not to worry; she’s unsinkable.
(Remember “folks”, the human race [aggregate], poured full of manufactured chemical goodness, can also be considered an unsustainable monoculture if peered at through the lens of bio-diversity.)
I fear you are right. Hope you are a few degrees off.
George Soros loads up on bearish market bet
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101923426
During the course of the second quarter, which ended June 30, Soros Fund Management’s position in puts in a popular exchange-traded fund tracking the S&P 500 rose to 11.29 million shares, which appears to be a multiyear high for the investment manager. (During the first quarter, the size of that position was just 1.6 million puts, meaning that the second quarter marked a 606 percent increase.)
Here is one fox with connections to military intelligence who may benefit from US internal troubles. May be Soros is shorting Obama administration as well.
“White America is tortured by black America’s failure to thrive”
Only because most of white America remons ignorant and complacent to their country’s history of systematic racism and segregation continuing from the end of the civil war and on until present times.
The question this blog post begs; Is JHK?
So why don’t you come back and show us how it’s done. Move to Ferguson and become a shining example of White humility and reparation. Wear a Jesus/Superman outfit with a target on it. Be the Clown that the Media has demanded Whites be.
Power these days is, in part, a function of large-scale oil, centralized governpimps and their taxations of their prostitute populations for the Fukushimas, the pimped-out popo and the culturally-clueless hot-headed militaryindustrialcomplex post-pubescents.
If we can’t get our acts together (probably too late) Nature is going to ‘show us how it’s done’ by not batting a ball, to use Guy’s (McPherson) metaphor, but us.
…Like De Niro in The Untouchables.
I think not. Maybe he just feels social justice will happen on the individual level. Government will not be able to shape things. JHK, does not seem the type to write about that which is not his personal experience. If you know of someone that writes along the lines of JHK that happens to be of non euro center please let me know. Would love to read it! Looking for all post oil info.
Karah says she’s booored, well, ok, maybe she has a point, so I’ll do my best to avoid being boring.
Re grotesque social behavior. How many of you saw the mudbath at Woodstock during those 3 days in August 1969? I only saw it on TV. I know, grotesqueness is in the eye of the beholder but I couldn’t help thinking that this is grotesque, that if these degenerates are a sample of the people inheriting the levers of power then we’re in a lot of trouble. And, I guess, we’re in a lot of trouble.
The Roman world came apart for a lot of reasons, extremely bad behavior of all kinds by all kinds of people being one reason, invasion from without being another. In those far off days of 1969 it seemed to me that not only did we have a lot of badly behaving people like in the Roman world but that the invasion by barbarians was a fait accompli. No marauding bands at the borders, the barbarians were already in our midst.
Yeah, I know, what an insufferably square Mitt Romney-esque caricature of that period in history. Don’t you just bloody hate these preachy, finger pointing moralisers? And besides, we had so many good things happening way back then didn’t we? Well, didn’t we?
We had the women’s liberation movement, the civil rights movement, the abortion rights movement, the anti-war movement, this movement, that movement. All these movements, all consciousness raising, all emancipatory, all sticking it to The Man, all to the good. Right?
The 1960’s ended in 1973 when the US bugged out of Vietnam. Disco and the Me Decade came next. The birth of that slimy, tentacled ME monster in retrospect looks logical doesn’t it? For if a lot of the “rights” movements of the 1960s had this odor of freeing the individual from personal obligation and behavioral strictures, then what would we expect? What came next was ALL about the Self, Self indulgence, Self-actualization, Self-esteem, Self, Self, Self, the all devouring ME.
And the all devouring ME was and is what the resurgent conservative movement was and is all about, Ronnie said it’s morning in America, the land of Liberty, Freedom, Free Enterprise. All about Selfishness, all about ME and MY interests. GREED is GOOD said Gordon Gecko in the movie. Well, isn’t it?
If the message of the Free Love ’60’s was anything fucking goes, you get to fuck who you want and forget the stifling, old-fogey Lawrence Welk era hypocrisies, the message of the conservative movement was pretty much the same, anything fucking goes, you get to fuck who you want not only in the literal sense but to further your own interests. In either case, it was all about I, ME, MINE.
We took notions of freedom and liberty and individuality to ridiculous lengths. What came of it all? Look around.
Yes, the Founders assumed a lot – a well functioning society with intact families, morality, and “spare the rod – spoil the child”. But our Libertarian Anarchist Hedonists just want the goodies without the work. The take away is that anything that isn’t nailed down is going to be distorted. The next America must have a Bill of Duties to match the Bill of Rights.
“The next America must have a Bill of Duties to match the Bill of Rights.” ~ Janos Skorenzy
“…all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations. The relative structural fluidity in a small-scale democracy succumbs to ‘social viscosity’ in a large-scale organization. [Accordingly] …democracy and large-scale organization are incompatible.”…
Similarly, Jason Godesky writes,
“Why do complex societies become vulnerable to the very kinds of stress which, at an earlier time in its history, the society in question would simply shrug off? Tainter’s answer lies with complexity, itself, and the law of diminishing returns. As a society becomes more complex, greater complexity becomes more costly. The escalation of complexity becomes increasingly difficult to maintain, until it finally becomes impossible.” ~ Jason Godesky
“Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government.”
~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
“I think as the years roll on, more and more people will understand that we actually need to change the DNA of this country to have any chance. I think that as the ball starts rolling faster, more and more people will clearly see how the structure of law operates and the necessity of changing it.” Thomas Linzey, Esq.
Addendum: the attribution missing from one of the quotes above is from Wikipedia, ‘Iron Law of Oligarchy’ entry.
Well I admit all Nations and Organizations have a life span – usually only about 200 years or so for any given regime or dynasty. Sometimes something new arises but as Orlov says, that’s very doubtful in our case. Both the Roman Republic and Empire got pretty good mileage – far more than the usual 200.
America was never a Democracy, nor was it intended to be one, nor would it be a good thing it was or if it was intended to be one. The Majority is nearly always wrong. Democracy per se is just two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for dinner.
The New America skipped the Democracy stage since minorities persecute the White majority. Sheep with fangs driven by jack booted Shepherds.
The intent behind my Iron Law of Oligarchy quote was not about democracy per se but rather about your ‘Bill of Duties’ comment apparently advocating for more complexity and to suggest that it’s unworkable in all likelihood.
There are different forms of democracy of course, but if they are not systems one can freely opt out of, if they are by force, then they are fundamentally unethical.
The paradox of our species may be our capacity for complexity the inevitably does us in…
If we can’t wrap our collective heads around this, ostensibly fundamental, problem, and solve it, then, ironically, we may be headed back, if we survive, to where things were less coercive at least on a large-scale systemic level, namely the band or tribe.
With all that increasing radiation and toxins wafting around and climate shifts that many think will be part of our legacy, we may turn into (a) different species through rapid mutation and so forth, and become a bit of a phoenix from the ashes.
Imagine that. I wouldn’t doubt it. And not just our species.
But the universe seems like a paradox in and of itself, so, if so, that would make sense.
Addendum:
“There are different forms of democracy of course, but if they are not systems one can freely opt out of, if they are by force, then they are fundamentally unethical (and undemocratic).”
IOW, a ‘coercive democracy’ seems like an oxymoron.
“Democracy per se is just two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for dinner.”-Janos.
Funny.
I remember reading an article by a moderate Republican writer regarding that party’s relationship to minorities. In the article the author made the point that when something happens to the black community or a black person, white American’s dismiss it. As the writer said, “their belief is that they are not “real” Americans”. Sounds like what JHK is saying. Blacks are sort of an “embarrassment” to whites. Funny as we brought them here. And it’s OK to put 6 slugs into an unarmed black guy because, you know, he’s black and he has a record. I’m done reading this blog. Maybe that violent police action will filter down to racist, Jewish bloggers some day. One can only hope.
Yes bringing them here was clearly a mistake. Now we should send them back. They don’t fit in and they obviously aren’t going to fit in. And the ones that could (a minority) don’t want to and stand with those who can’t, at least for the most part.
BTW I hope the shooter cop gets what he gave. But that pussy is probably hiding in his cellar. Toodles, the end of civilization is not near Jim and your pathetic little garden in your backyard won’t save you. But if does come, you’ve helped it get there.
The police officer’s left eye was knocked out in the assault.
Is that enough for you? Or do you want a whole pound of flesh.
–BRH
“The police have always been thugs, but they have traditionally been thugs in the service of elites. The crises of the 1960s produced an outbreak of police hooliganism directed against the citizenry… The police, in short, became self-conscious political actors seeking to defend their own interests, advance their own agenda, act under their own authority, and increase their already substantial power.” ~ Kristian Williams, ‘Our Enemies In Blue’
Police (illegitimate authority) help enforce undemocracy, and undemocracy is what likely leads to inevitable collapse of civilization and of the ecosystem.
Marlin, you ought to read what Karl Denninger over at
market-ticker.org has to say about what’s going on in Ferguson. Particularly, read about what he had to say late yesterday about the shooting. And by the way, he’s not even close to being a liberal.
I’ll check that out, Bill.
and good to hear from you again.
–brh
@volodya:
As one who lived through much of the ’60’s as an adult, I was jealous of the hippies. They didn’t worry much, got high a lot, refused to put up with establishment bullshit, and generally had a lot of free-wheeling, guilt-free sex. I have to admit I partook of a lot of it myself.
Of course, a society where everyone was a hippie couldn’t work. I always knew that, but it was fun while it lasted. Look, life has been nasty, hard and miserable for most of the humans that have ever lived on this planet, so wanting to live free and easy is understandable.
I suspect that many CFNers, if they suddenly got a major windfall, enough to live like a king for the rest of their lives, would. Freud knew what he was talking about when he came up with the pleasure
principle. Hippieism was a brief moment when a group of people got a glimpse of how fun life could become if only humans could’ve learned to cooperate with each other.
The Gentle Giant narrative continues to crumble, like an old pier from Hurricane driven breakers – the Waves of Reality. Alas poor mc (a fellow rapper?). Ozone. Kdog. Buck. Pat. Lucan. Turk. Dale. Dee. Krugs. And all other Liberal impediments of all creeds and colors.
http://www.amren.com/news/2014/08/officer-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-mike-brown-attack/
You refer to me but obviously you did not read my take on the incident at my blog. Not that it matters.
Green is a bad color for links here.
I only stopped by to see if I had been besmirched. I see that you have done so.
Have a nice day big daddy.
“A more likely scenario is that there was some eighteen-year old non-compliance from someone who may have had something to hide which got tragically out of control. As we have both been eighteen ourselves I think we both know how stupid eighteen can be.” – K-Dog
It is in an answer to a comment I received.
“I don’t know if you’ll read this or not but I did want to explain why I think “just following protocols” is a dangerous line to take. I’m a nurse and we also have protocols to follow but what I’m being paid for and required to do is use my judgement about following them. Every situation, whether in a hospital or a street, requires us to think before we act. I have to think before I mindlessly give a patient a medication b/c of the potential for harm. A policeman has the same responsibility–he carries a gun that can destroy a life in an instant. That’s why following protocol or just following orders can be so destructive.”
– sw –
SW – I believe you are confusing civilian law enforcement training protocols in the United States with war crimes and other known evils.
Look, if you’re a nurse you know something about stress, and you ARE FOLLOWING a training protocol every single time you check the medication prior to giving it to a patient. If you are very well trained you will follow this protocol regardless of yelling doctors, blood on the floor, or a …. (hold that thought)*
Good cops are trained to follow training protocols – this is as it should be. Not to follow protocols is to expose the LEO, the public, and the suspect to needless risk. And training protocols are subject to local, state, federal, and public review.
There are possible problems with police protocols in Ferguson:
1. They may have good protocols which are NOT being followed.
2. They may have bad protocols which ARE being followed.
And if either 1 or 2 is a problem, there will be an investigation (40 FBI agents ought to do it, don’t you think?) and there will be charges, arrests, trials, penalties, civil trials, etc, etc.
Or it my be that # 1 will be found to be the case – in which case no consequences will ensue, and no changes will be made.
Remember protocols can be changed. One think I keep hearing is “why didn’t they shoot the suspect in the leg?” Well, because shooting to wound is not part of the protocol. That’s why they call use of a weapon by a LEO “lethal force,” instead of “wounding force.” But there are sound reasons for the existing pyramid of force protocols. If you’ve got good ideas for changing them, though – I’d like to hear from you.
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(hold that thought)* SW, if you are very well trained, you would follow your training protocol and check that medication to protect your patient – – – even if a 300 pound adult were charging full speed toward you. I believe officer Wilson may have done the same thing – except to protect himself from assault. We’ll find out. That is what investigations and grand jury presentments are for.
The Governor of MO disagrees, saying today he wants Wilson “prosecuted” regardless of evidence. I’m an anonymous poster on CFN – he’s the governor of a state.
Interesting times, hey?
This may be part of what collapse looks like.
Oops, screwed that one up.
“Or it my be that # 1 will be found to be the case – in which case no consequences will ensue, and no changes will be made.”
should have been –
“Or it may be that they will found to have good law enforcement protocols which are being followed properly – in which case no charges should be made, and no changes to police protocols will ensue.
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And since I’ve opened up JHK’s channel again – let me say that Ferguson PD definitely does need to improve their protocols for dealing with the aftermath of an officer-involved shooting.
Pretty good article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/opinion/haberfeld-why-six-bullets-fired/index.html
“Policing as a profession, in addition to being about the use of force, is also about the individual discretion of officers, and this is difficult to explain to a non-police audience. It is rooted in a sense of suspicion, the idea that anything can happen on the streets, and it is related to officers’ personal experience but also the experiences of his or her colleagues, the so-called war stories that mobilize and organize much of officers’ behavior on the streets.
It is a horrible tragedy when a police officer takes somebody’s life, especially when the person was not armed. However, the public makes a dangerous presumption when it assumes that police officers, police departments or any other law enforcement bodies are out there to execute members of the public. Policing is a dangerous profession, as George Orwell once wrote: “Men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard … them.”
Yes, police must be enabled to use coercive force, but they must be trained thoroughly in how to use it.
They are trained as soldiers and expected to perform as social workers at least 90% of the time. And then in a split of a second, they have to be soldiers again. It’s quite a trick.” – excerpt –
Nah, that is nowhere near the reality of our local peacekeeping forces. Municipalities do not have the time nor moneys to invest in training cops to be combative. that is completely counterproductive to city life…thus, we have problems like ferguson. cops are trained to protect life and serve the community by taking a defensive posture. cops are not really required to pursue anyone fleeing the scene unless they have secured the scene from further misbehaviors. usually, cops are outnumbered and their show of force is always justifiable because its primarily a show. they work on the assumption no one wants to be arrested and thrown in jail, cops do not show up unless asked to be there because of a complaint by a citizen. they do not go walking around in gangs looking for trouble like a scene out of clockwork orange.
cops are not bullies, they simply enforce codes of conduct. its too bad nobody knows how to conduct themselves in ferguson at the moment.
during the protest decade of the 60s, cops were put in the position of representing the establishment because they primarily served them and because they resemble military personnel, they were targeted by those who wanted to cast a bad light on usa foreign policies regarding the military. so groups of rebellious youth would congregate in the public domain in order to pester people. they would create scenes involving drugs and loud music but which started out as innocent “folk festivals”. this would attract more youth so that their show of force was in their numbers. the police only get involved to protect crowds from killing themselves. crowding is very dangerous activity if not organized well. people get trampled and suffocated and preyed upon.
yet, all the protection they provide can become oppressive at times and seem to infringe on our civil liberties. but its not forever and all encompassing. there is always a place to go to do whatever you want to do IN PRIVATE.
I think we’re talking about two different things, karah.
And modern training procedures are amazing. Most of it came out of military training protocols and then came to dominate PD training after 9/11.
And look – I am NOT saying that all the training protocols are perfect for civilian law enforcement. What I’m saying is that you can’t fault individual LEO’s for following them when under stress.
And if Ferguson has approved protocols (I don’t know, do you?) and Wilson followed his training properly – then he should be completely exonerated and go right back to work.
And, if he’s innocent, the fact that he won’t be exonerated, and can likely never work as a patrol officer again – says nothing Wilson or Ferguson, and says nothing good about the state of race relations in the media-crazed US.
“under stress” means what? outnumbered? confronted by another race? heckled? missed their coffee and donuts?
military are conditioned to take strict orders from a superior and endure campaigns to defend territories.
the laws and ordances of a town, city or county is the territory of the cop. in ferguson, you have mobs of people taking over a territory that is under the jurisdiction of several arms of the law.
the local cops are being stressed. they have had to call in other “troops” for back up. because ferguson has a black minority, they have needed to ship in more blacks. that was a political tactic thought up by whom?
Speaking of culture. Very few, even highly trained para-military types, can subdue the adrenal, flight or fight impulse which arises in stressful and dangerous situations. And when those situations arise spontaneously and unexpectedly, the natural, innate response is nearly automatic and thus amplified — we’re not talking about Taoist martial art or Zen masters, after all.
And what were the current crop of law enforcement and criminal types alike bottle fed in their formative years? Yep, the same type of video games that captured the mind, body and spirit of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. IOW, when the going gets tough, violent, and spontaneous, previous training — countless hours of pulling simulated triggers– will rule the day. Call it a race issue if you like but I call it the damaged nervous system of collective America reacting as predictably as the reptilian brain.
When a large beast like Michael Brown is charging, the natural reaction is to bring him down with multiple shots to the center mass. If he was running away or stationary, then they should shoot to wound or better yet, bring him down with tasers or batons.
Instead police now often engage in feeding frenzies were they try to get the subject to submit. Street people and of course criminals, often have contrarian or oppositional mentalities and will not. So instead of just subduing and arresting them like in the old days, they begin to taze and bark orders. People who have been tazed can’t follow orders, so they taze them again. Or sit on them. Or strike them as they thrash around. Bizarre to the max. They’ll keep on with this as more cops show up and do the same. Soon the person is dead. So unnecessary.
The nation is screwed because:
1. The collective health of the nation is declining rapidly, because of obesity.
2. The average person has little saved for retirement.
2b. Those who have saved for retirement are being robbed of the benefits of their thrift, by the zero-interest-rate policy of the Fed.
3. The percentage of babies born out-of-wedlock (in all racial groups) continues to climb, which contributes to the persistence of poverty.
You hit the nail on the head LIND. I don’t save money any more, although my wife does, I buy SH## which I can hold in my hands and work with. I brainwashed my kids to not have kids as I think the world is going to hell in a hand basket and don’t see much of a bright future in the next 50 years. No fatties here.
That’s too bad, RT, because your children’s children would probably make good neighbors, coworkers, fathers and friends – especially if tshtf and societies have to start over.
This fellow’s children – probably not so much.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/desmond-hatchett-30-kids_n_1528850.html
And if someone were to reply directly to me, saying for example,”Yeah, RT really would have some cool grandkids,”
Then where would that post?
And this comment software scrambles dates and times until the sequence of replies and comments is smeared into a meaningless jumble.
I’m not quite the dimmest bulb in the chandelier, but I’ll admit I don’t have the mental energy to untangle some of these CFN comment threads.
It’s frustrating. And I think it might be easy for JHK’s tech guy to fix. Although I’ll eventually get used to it – and probably spend less time visiting here in response.
That’s all I’m trying to say.
Just note the timestamps on this sequence of comments from me. Am I the only one who finds this confusing? Am I the only one who cares?
I’m testing out this software. If I leave a reply here – it pushes my original reply to St. Elmo down.
And if more people reply directly to St. Elmo – then my reply @ 10:12 keeps getting pushed further and further down.
And eventually it gets pushed down so far that it doesn’t even make sense to a casual reader who’s scanning through the discussion thread.
OK – it is impossible to reply directly underneath St. Elmo’s post.
Is that it?
And if someone else came along and clicks the “reply” button to St. Elmo (which I just did) intending to reply to him DIRECTLY and say:
“Progress4what needs to shut up, St. Elmo. Having children is a personal decision*.”
Where on earth will that post???
*and it is a personal decision, RT. I’m not messing with you on purpose, I swear. You’re a great guy, and we’ve been talking to each other on CFN for what? 3 hears almost?
Oops, “hears,” in the above – should be “years.”
Strange days indeed
The self described ‘Knight of Islam’, dressed in black, who executed James Foley, spoke with a distinct British Accent, like maybe he grew up in England.
And this after I see some smarmy son of a bitch on CNN lecture us with a British Accent on racism in the USA
–brh
Americanos are naturally subservient to any pommie fraud affecting a brit accent……..
Yeah, over the years I’ve noticed that it takes a Brit accent to sell mops and dubious cleaning products on the TV. Somehow this seems quite fitting.
Normally I prefer a non-violent stance. But this recent gratuitous beheading of an American journalist has got my blood boiling. We should send a sufficiently large group of commandos to Iraq (or Syria), get these Isis characters responsible, and mete out some justice that their buddies will remember for a long time. They are animals and will only understand violence. So they should receive an ample measure of that.
I couldn’t of said it any better, AK.
Exactly the intended effect. That’s why they (Hillary, Obama, the New World Order) funded and armed these fanatics: to get us back to Iraq, back in control of the oil fields in an Iraq divided into three, and in position to use the fanatics to bring down or put pressure on Iran.
Janos, I hope you are wrong, but, frankly, I wouldn’t put it past the kind of psychopaths we allow to call the shots. So, assuming your suggestion is correct, I would include such psychopaths as additional objects of our ministrations of justice.
I can’t see any alternative. The Establishment wanted to provide air support for these murderers in Syria – instead of just arming them as we continue to do. But Assad proved too tough and even the two parties showed some rare spine and said no to air support. So the Merry Murderers took their show to Iraq, also Shiite, – a Shiite State that had just told us to leave. We obviously intended to stay. The American Embassy is like a city in itself. The Elite didn’t like that at all.
And all those nice Black Uniforms. Where did they come from? The old fighters were dressed like peasants.
“i am booooored.” – karah –
Yeah. Except at the time you made that post there were about 14 comments scattered out in the thread – some quite worthy of engagement, and now there are over 80.
It is really hard to follow the flow of ideas about your weekly posts, because of the way this software operates, JHK.
“I don’t know if you’ll read this or not…” – SW –
Yeah, I found it and read it, but it took an effort. And I’d really like to discuss it some more, but now I don’t know if you’ll find it or read it.
You seem like an intelligent person, SW, and what I’d like to know is how your mind got so completely and so QUICKLY set on the innocence of Brown and the GUILT of Wilson.
You don’t strike me as a troll like “mc53pa,” who insults our host and tells us both Wilson and JHK should be shot and killed because of their “racist” beliefs, as follows:
“And it’s OK to put 6 slugs into an unarmed black guy because, you know, he’s black and he has a record. I’m done reading this blog. Maybe that violent police action will filter down to racist, Jewish bloggers some day…..” – mc53pa –
Scary sh*t, isn’t it? I suppose I admire JHK for keeping this discussion thread operating. That takes a certain amount of real guts. Or maybe he just mostly ignores the damn thing – that might work, too. 😉
The problem with protocols whether in a hospital or police manual is, while these are the written rules, there are unspoken rules and protocols that are the ones that are followed. Call it culture or pressure to follow the group, it’s very compelling. I’ll give you an example–I can show you the written policy for reporting a doctor or nurses’ error in the manual but very few medical errors are reported. It’s one of the reasons (not the only one) that trust in the medical profession is low. And it’s true b/c the culture of the hospital is “to help each other out” b/c next time it could be you needing cover. I’m not saying this is right–it’s not–I’m just saying it’s reality and the public knows this, too. I suspect the real protocols in police depts are different from the ones in the manual and what is tolerated and considered acceptable behavior is different from what’s in black and white. A lot of people read “To protect and serve” written on the side of police cars with cynicism for this reason.
Whatever the facts are in this case my guess is at this point it’s going to be really difficult to sort them out. There are so many competing narratives, mounting hysterical rhetoric and no matter what the autopsy shows one group with scream “cover up!” and the other, “I told you so!”
Yes, this might be what collapse looks like. ”
May you live in interesting times”—old Chinese curse
Well I’ll be danged, SW, we found each other.
And modern training is so effective – I think that’s the point where we’re talking past each other. For example – Wilson had been trained so well that he was to engage a suspect – that he could NOT NOT engage Brown – even though his eye socket *may* have been crushed in by Brown and the “logical?” thing to do would have been to wait for backup.
Similarly – Wilson’s training was to shoot at center mass if he perceived that a suspect was threatening his life. If this shooting went down the way that some evidence indicates, then Wilson could NOT not do that – For example by “shooting to wound,” “firing a warning shot,” or “hiding behind his patrol car until help arrived from somewhere.” – none of these were strategies that Wilson could reasnably implement, because none of them fit his training protocol.
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If anybody wants to change the subject toward less contentious police escalation of force protocols, and the changing thereof – then consider LEO responses that are resulting in family pets being shot in owner’s backyards.
It’s pretty obvious that some training protocols are “any dog is a threat – eliminate the threat.” This should be changed. And it can be changed without endangering the LIFE of police officers. Because a mixed breed dog chewing on your leg in the owner’s backyard is NOT a threat to the officers life.
And I am not, repeat NOT, comparing the deceased Mr. Brown to a dog, or saying a dog has more right to live.
All I’m saying is that a medium sized family pet is a backyard may be a threat officer safety, but NOT to the officer’s life.
So here’s a good training protocol to examine for change.
And before someone asks, I’ll answer.
Q: Why should an “unarmed” suspect be considered a threat to an officer’s life whereas an “unarmed” dog should not?
A: Because the human suspect has intelligence and similar or greater body mass and strength to the officer. He can use the side of the police car or the pavement to inflict fatal injury upon the officer. He can gain control of the officer’s weapon and cause fatal injury to the officer. A medium sized dog can do none of these things.
Gotta go to work.
Hey Prog, I was chomped by dogs a few times at work. Dogs have a tendency to do that if their master is hurt or threatened. I was first on scene at a house fire and the owners G Shepard was freaked out and latched onto my leg. I smacked him with a ten pound nozzle and he quickly decided to change course. My whole thigh was black and blue, if not for the bunker gear I believe he would of got his pound of flesh. I don’t blame the dog. he was just being a dog.
People unfamiliar with shooting may think it’s easy to hit a moving target. Or overestimate how long it takes for a person to close the gap of a few yards. Experts say that close up a knife is often better than a gun because it’s quicker.
These protocols make sense. Others do not – such as the idea that the officer’s life trumps all other concerns. If that’s how someone feels, they should get a job in an office. The shooting of Labs and Golden Retrievers is sadism and foolishness beyond all imagining. Things like that will put their lives at risk in the years to come.
http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
JHK,
You ask some important questions: “For instance, are we hard-wired to self-segregate? There certainly was a great wish that this were not so. Has it been disproven or overcome in the 60 years since Brown v. Board of Education? Do we have different standards of behavior for different races? Does that work?”
I think humans are essentially small-group social creatures with a strong “tribal” instinct. So yes, there probably is an urge to self-segregate. Having said that, the young people I see have far less racial hang-ups than my generation, which is hopeful. There is also a difference between self-segregation and and imposed segregation (whether direct or indirect) by the elites in order to maintain a lock on power and resources.
Yes, there are different standards of behavior for different races (and classes). If a minority complies with the demands of the dominant culture, they may be accepted, if not, they are fair game.
No one has enough information to understand exactly what happened in Ferguson with the Brown shooting. There are two sides to every story, and then there’s the truth.
However, given the history of systemic racism, the propensity of the cops to profile (not based only on race, but also class, and the militirization of the police force (Officer Friendly is now G.I. Joe), it is no wonder things blew up.
We can chant Ghandi, Dalai Lama, Martin Luther King really, really, really fast to keep the evil thoughts at bay. We can set up pretty little sanitized “free-speech zones”. But some people will say, non-violence has accomplished, exactly nothing on this issue. These incidents keep happening, and when they do, angry young men fight back. Even though I think the violence is counter-productive (you lose the vast middle of the populace as allies) it is not unexpected. If you back a dog into a corner, it will bite.
“Premise Three: Our way of living—industrial civilization—is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.
Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.
Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.” -Derrick Jensen (Endgame)
Regards,
dweebus
People, whites especially, have strong reactions to certain physical features (besides their own humongous lard/hormone asses) such as dark skin, big lips, kinky hair and voluptuous breasts and butts.
there are particular traits certain groups want to breed. this is the same mentality that pays certain caucasians millions of dollars just to strut down a fashion catwalk or wear a bikini.
so this leads to racial jealousy. races have to find something worthy in their genes to justify equal acclaim and pay rates. blacks found performance art and sports. asians found sex, classical music and academics. hispanics found cuisine, and everything else the other races do not dominate. so what?
There are certain features that we find attractive for biological reasons. Arched eyebrows, high cheekbones, wide hips (the hourglass) are indicators of high estrogen levels. Conversely, broad shoulders, a strong jaw, a nice beard, are indicators of high testosterone leves. Most everything else is cultural. In renaissance painting, the attractive women are full-figured (fat by today’s standards). At that time it connoted financial security, now it connotes laziness.
As to strutting on the runways, you are right about certain groups being behind this. I would submit however, that the motivation is not breeding, but rather selling us shit. One example, an ad in the early 20th century promoted women’s razors for removing “unsightly” underarm hair. Before the ad, hair was not “unsightly”, it just was. A similar dynamic can be seen in the link between the porn industry and waxing, shaving, laser removal, etc.
“(besides their own humongous lard/hormone asses)”
I like big butts and I cannot lie… 😉
Can you trust the mainstream media? OK let’s assume that, for at least this nugget, you can. I heard on some news show that there’s people coming from all over the country to Ferguson to participate in the protests and assorted festivities.
This reminds me of the Bundy situation where you had a thousand guys from all over the country show up armed and itching for a fight with the Federales.
Buck Stud is probably right, that this was a case of blind fight or flight. Probably as simple as that. And, funny that nobody makes too much of it but 26 guys got shot in Chicago over the weekend. Where’s the outrage? None to be found. But that’s Chicago and nothing to do with Ferguson. The Chicago thing is just another irrelevant fact in a morass of facts, rumors, bullshit and nonsense that get thrown into the mix and just end up distracting from the issue at hand. Sorry I brought it up.
But, at this point, the facts of the matter in this Ferguson shooting are irrelevant anyway.
Let’s say that charges are laid against the cop. I pity the presiding judge at his trial. Because this is going to be a circus. I hope for his sake that the judge is a man of substantial means as he’s going to need the best Hollywood agent and show biz lawyer he can get.
As for the cop, they’ll want his head no matter what.
At least the judge gets properly compensated for it and understands that something like this could come with the job.
To some extent, the same can be said for young officer Wilson. Even if he did something wrong and is found guilty for it, even if he did nothing wrong and is found guilty anyway – he understood going in that events like this could be part of his job. Hopefully, he’ll get a book deal and retire in young comfort. It’s a cinch he won’t work as a beat cop again.
I feel sorry for Wilson’s family, especially if he’s got a wife and/or children. They didn’t sign up for this.
And I feel sorry for the jurors. They aren’t gonna’ get paid nearly enough. Although – one or two of the sketchier ones are probably also already looking into a book deal.
Is it just my interpretation – or does everybody in MO that’s involved in this debacle and has spoken out about it look unusually dumb?
From the governor to that local prosecutor – regardless of political affiliation – they just don’t act very smart.
He speaks for the silent.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/08/confessions-of-a-transphobic/
Thanks for the link, Janos. It’s nice to see a well-reasoned article that puts paid to all these damned postmodern interpretations of sexuality. His prime thrust is that since you can’t change anyone’s chromosomes, trangenders do not truly change sex, is irrefutable.
Like most people, I’ve met many trannies in my life and if I recoil in horror it really isn’t because I “fear” them. It’s because it’s almost never a convincing enough medical job to disguise their true sexuality. So you feel sorry for them yet you’re kind of viscerally creeped out at the same time.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light…
http://conservative-daily.com/2014/08/16/obama-administration-allows-unvaccinated-illegals-into-schools/
Vlad, we’ve had a few cases here where a black or Hispanic mother from an urban area enrolled their children in surrounding suburban schools, and were arrested and jailed for it. When it comes to illegals, there is no law, its that simple.
In Ferguson, why does it take the Attorney General of the United States and 40 FBI agents to build a case against 1 local police officer? I mean if its such a cut and dry case? Will this guy get due process, or will he railroaded by some kangaroo court for political expediency, and to calm down the ‘community’?
–brh
Indeed. A lot of this seems like theatre and testing, but there’s nothing funny about this. If this officer is railroaded into prison, it bodes very ill for America and Americans – especially White ones. Trying to railroad an imaginary White guy named Zimmerman is one thing. That also seemed like a test of their power – one that failed. But this time it’s not only a genuine White, but an officer.
Holder is amazed at the militarization of the Police. So is the Army Chief of Staff. No doubt Obama is too. If these guys are telling the truth, they are incompetent and should be fired. If they are lying, they should be fired as well of course.
To me this is just Zimmerman vs. Trayvon Martin: The Sequel. The officer had the orbit bone around his eye busted with his eye dangling out of his skull. The pussyfooting being constantly done with the black community defending their thugs has arrived at nauseating.
Even Louis Farrakhan speaks out against inner city hooliganism among black young men more than white liberals and the Obama Administration. To hell with mollifying the black community with regard to their young thugs. We’ve been doing it for fifty years and they’re still not studying in school, staying out of prison, or dressing like non-criminals.
The major media outlets from NPR to the supposed papers of record (NYT, WaPo) are tripping over themselves in not only condoning the behavior of the looters, but in the omission of pertinent facts to this case (Mr. Brown’s: toxicology reports, strong-armed robbery, and the sever injury he inflicted on an officer). This is just another example of “the soft bigotry of low expectations” writ large for anyone with the slightest ability to parse the data.
Would the community’s behavior be expected/tolerated from an Indian neighborhood in New Jersey? A Polish neighborhood in Chicago? Perhaps a Jewish community in Brooklyn (provided they all haven’t been replaced by Hipsters)? Of course not. However, we have been conditioned to accept this behavior from the black community because “they don’t have a voice” and they “are still marginalized” by society “even after the civil rights movement of the sixties”. Bull snot. That is why we accept reading about the staggering numbers of black-on-black murders in Chicago, Baltimore, DC, Detroit, New Orleans. Yet some portions of society feel compelled to blatantly ignore the facts, and acquiesce to “it is what it is” when it comes “to the blacks”.
Imagine if a black officer killed a white man (teenager of 18 years) in a poor suburban community in West Virginia. Would the media not work to (not exonerate the officer per se) offer a complete picture until the investigation concludes by exposing pertinent facts for pondering? Say the fact that the victim/assailant was 6 feet plus and over 300 pounds, stoned, and had just robbed a convenience store after scuffling with the shopkeep?
What is most appalling about this situation is the complete disregard for unbiased factual reports and the condoning of illicit behavior by the community’s denizens and interlopers.
Now a case can be argued for the extremely poor reaction by Misery’s law enforcement entities and the militarization of our domestic peace keepers (tanks, military garb, canines), but that is for a different time. Before any absurd “conversation” can commence about race in America, everyone must own up to the fact that today’s predominant black culture in America is an abject failure on almost any level of “uniform standard of behavior” (teen pregnancy, truancy, absentee fathers, crime, gangs, drug use, material fetishes, and so on). Yes, I said it.
Until we are all expected to act a certain way, to not lower ourselves to the occasion despite the circumstances, then why bother crafting excuses for the deviators… for that is what the “conversation” always amounts to.
Yeah, we learn tonite that this police officer was beaten almost into a coma, and the ‘gentle giant’ was coming back to administer another beating.
Odd this wasn’t mentioned on PBS newshour, or CBS news.
–brh
Yo Marlin, what’s a little broken skull bone got to do wid it? Sheet the PO had it comin’, Racial sum’ bitch. Whitey needs a smack down! Who needs two eyes anyway? I wanna seegar, don’t git in my way or I beet yur ass !!!
You know RT, most of the cops I’ve know are pretty good guys.
But when they’re on duty they’re not to be f-cked with, that’s all there is to it!
I come in contact with the cops some time because of my hobby searching for meteorite rocks and colonial relics. They want to know what the f-ck Im doing out here in this field with that thing your holding (a metal detector) I politely explain what I’m up to and thats the end of it.
You must’ve had a lot of dealings with the police in your career with the FD. What’s your opinion?
–brh
If you’ve had multiple fractures in the orbit bone around your eye socket you weren’t too far away from being DEAD. When do you start assuming that a criminal is dangerous enough to be shot? This is just Trayvon Martin all over again. I guess Zimmerman wasn’t entitled to shoot ’til he had his head bashed against the sidewalk some arbitrary amount of times.
Eventually, these young, megalomaniacal black punks are going to learn that even Obama and the NAACP aren’t going to sanctify their atavistic behavior. And it’s not like the guy was a starving dude trying to steal food to survive. He was a 300 pound piece of blubber stealing cigars. Un-freaking-believable.
“And I suppose, Janos, that the right wing Republicans have done everything in their power to control immigration these past 40 years?”
– dolph –
Both parties have done everything to keep themselves in power.
That both have allowed excessive immigration is part of this.
Both parties continue to pander, in slightly different ways.
A pox* on both houses.
*Note to all monitoring alphabet agencies. Pox*, as used here is a rhetorical device. It is not a threat of bioterror, especially involving those old vials found in storage @ the CDC. haha!
Remember humor?
I missed this. Who is this Dolph? Dolph, did I endorse the Republicans anyplace? Most here have transcended the two party illusion and understand the One Regime.
Prog, observing the minstrel show, do you begin to understand what I said, that Blacks only see justice as winning?
Yeah, lot’s of posters are missing lots of stuff because of the way this software works. I’ve developed my own work-arounds to make sure I don’t miss too much; but I can tell most posters give up after the first day or so.
As far as your saying, “do you begin to understand what I said, that Blacks only see justice as winning?”
Umm – do you understand, Janos, that referring to “Blacks” as though they are all always identical in their thinking only makes readers on CFN ignore you?
There is no escape — we pay for the violence of our ancestors.
Let the dead bury the dead. There is an escape: to do battle now in the present. Don’t sacrifice the living to the dead.
Good article on Terror as a tactic in the Jihad. We must fight them too – or live as their slaves.
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/08/20/bracken-the-islamic-jihad-conquest-formula/#comment-100105
Maybe you were late to the AIPAC meeting and didn’t get the memo…….ISIS is a wholly owned subsidiary of ZOG……..joohad, er jihad is a marketing ploy. You gotta keep up there JS……
So, by your logic, since you are NSA, and NSA is part of the zog, then you are knowingly working for the Jews and getting paid by them. Not very admirable. Of course, you could just be a fat, pimply slob living in your mother’s basement, and troll here to get even with the world for your own inadequacies.
Said the novice to the master of art. Of course ZOG is funding them. That’s not exactly the same as creating the Jihad. It’s like how people say the Elite create racism. No, they use racism just like they use electricity or any other natural force. Once this principle is understood, one realizes what a dangerous game our Elite play. Their clients (not employees) are some of the most ruthless men in the world – now armed with state of the art artillery and tanks. They can still be dealt with by the U.S army and NATO – but not by the locals. So there will be incredible pressure for us to go back – exactly their plan of course. Their goals: a divided Iraq, continued access to the Oil fields, and to be in place to put extreme pressure on Iran – perhaps even using the Merry Men of ISIS – who must therefore remain intact to some degree.
“Of course ZOG is funding them”. Sigh, of course! I mean it’s not as though those poverty stricken middle east countries have any money. Those well known secular states such as Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Kuwait etc etc would never fund jihadis. Why on earth would they want to fund another sect of Islam, it’s not as though they’ve had a centuries old grievance with them is it! Nor would Iran try the same. I mean everyone knows that all the world’s ills are made by ZOG controlled by the joooos. After all who wouldn’t create an organisation that is virulently anti semetic to occupy the border where you currently have reasonably good relations with the Assad family. I’m glad such a clever tactician as yourself Janos has pointed out this logical plan…………..
Failure to realise the harsh reality of Islam and the fact that it is self funding is just your delusional thinking Janos. They have billions at their disposal for conquest and since the Russian bear has lost its teeth and the Muslims have realised that the US isn’t really capable of running any long term project anymore they know they have the playground to themselves.
The IS bunch are just a runaway project that may well succeed in doing the opposite of its sponsors intentions. The saudis are reinforcing their border just in case.
Let’s face it: None of us here was in Ferguson at the time of the shooting and witnessed it. Each side (Blacks, police and media) has its own agenda, so there are conflicting stories as to what really happened, and we cannot rely on what representatives of any side says.
The only possible determinant that has a chance to get at the truth is in the forensics. Experts can discover from the evidence, such as bullet trajectories, powder residue, true physical condition of each party in the aftermath (remember how the media doctored photos of the back of Zimmerman’s head?), etc., what most likely occurred.
It’s possible, even then, that forensic scientists may have their own agendas and interpretations, such as pressure from local and national governments, threats and other reasons. But there has to be a limit to one’s cynicism or we would never get anything accomplished. With at least one separate independent analysis being made, and with a distaste for conspiracy theories in general, I will rely on analysis from the physical evidence before I make my own decision as to what happened. Until then, everything anybody here says is just an opinion.
Hey BTB, I don’t need to repeat the saying , “Hard times bring out the worst in people” Stelmosfire 2014
The Ferguson incident is bigger than being about the police. It’s similar to the Trayvon Martin case where the event should have been judged on the merits of what any reasonable person, under similar circumstances, would use deadly force. It is basically about who is the primary aggressor, not race (color blind). IMHO every person has the absolute right of self defense against an aggressor. However race baiters say if that thug happens to be black it is racial bias?
The unfortunate reality is many African Americans (not all) commit most of the violent crimes; they get the most of the welfare benefits; and blame whitey.
This nation is becoming insolvent and you will see 3 things to pander to African American’s who are addicted to the entitlement system (for votes of course): 1) other essential services will be cut to keep up with the welfare state; 2) taxes will increase; 3) the dollar will continued to be devalued creating inflation to reduce debt load. This ponzi scheme will have to end at some point and what will happen then? Unfortunately what I see is more of blaming whitey and riots. With some African Americans advocating a race war, there is potential for another Zimbabwe like situation. Public media appeasement will no longer work when the welfare check runs out. I know the listed comments may sound harsh and believe me I rather be wrong on this.
Most regular people want peace, and I wish that African Americans could also leave their resentments behind them. Unfortunately I don’t see to many signs of peace. I wish I did, but I don’t. When you hear the public racial hustlers talking about stopping black on black crime, are they really saying that crime on every one else is okay?
Thank You.
No black in the USA has been a slave ( well maybe a few, as have been whites) for decades. This anger and reparation BS has been going on for too long. Get a job, have kids in wedlock, work for cryin’ out loud, pull up your damn pants, don’t do drugs, and please stop shooting each other in turf/drug wars. Maybe then police will stop having to watch your backs in your community. Whitey doesn’t hate you , but please have some self respect!
***** That’s 5 stars, btw!
Calls of “Justice for Michael” and “Justice for Trayvon” before him are not about Justice.
Justice Is Blind
Apparently, the Koreans own the black beauty supply business in the US. It seems that all of those Soul Train Afro Sheen hair product commercials were financed by the Koreans.
http://usslave.blogspot.com/2013/03/koreans-own-black-beauty-supply-market.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/nonwhite_cop_kills_unarmed_white_youth_national_media_ag_and_potus_ignore.html
Non-White cop guns down young unarmed White Hispanic guy. No outcry from anyone anywhere. Aren’t all victims created equal? This reminds one of the tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians killed by Communism, but unmourned by the “Justice Community”. Certainly not equal to the “six million”.
Repost this article far and wide to help get the national conversation started.
Are the United States backing off from Ukraine’s confrontation with Russia?
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault
According to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe. In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin’s decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.
But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine — beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 — were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president — which he rightly labeled a “coup” — was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.
Pretty strong signal coming from CFR main publication.
Who is to blame for Ferguson violence and looting? Police and protesters point to outside agitators
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/19/who-is-to-blame-for-ferguson-violence-and-looting-police-and-protesters-point-to-outside-agitators/
Civil rights leaders and police – at odds over much of what has occurred in this small, mostly black St. Louis suburb – agree on at least hypothesis: Many of the perpetrators are not local residents.
“I’ve said that many a criminal element that have been coming through Ferguson are not from this area. Tonight, some of those arrested came from as far away as New York and California,” State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson told a news conference early on Tuesday.
Yeah – if forces ever want to take the United States down, drumming up racial strife will be the best way to get it started.
Of course – forces have been using racial strife to win elections for many years already.
At least our “leadership” has some practice with using strife, FM.
Turns out, over in Bristol, a city of less than 40,000, the middle aged black dude who drove a knife thru his 1 year old niece’s body, killing her dead, had just got friendly with a fat PCP laced bleezey. Over in New Britain, about 10 miles east, 20 year old Corey Washington’s body was found lying on Richard’s Street, bullet thru the head. No arrests yet. Also, whoever shot Jose Rodriquez off his bicycle from a moving automobile in Waterbury remains a mystery as well. The police are busy. And the weekend isn’t even here yet. That’s when the ghetto murder machine kicks into high gear.
Just a few decades ago these towns were decent places to live. The speed of the transformation has been astonishing.
brh
“….I was first on scene at a house fire and the owners G Shepard was freaked out and latched onto my leg. I smacked him with a ten pound nozzle and he quickly decided to change course. My whole thigh was black and blue, if not for the bunker gear I believe he would of got his pound of flesh. I don’t blame the dog. he was just being a dog.”
– st elmos fire fighter –
That’s a good story, StEF. Don’t be shy with those, as Mister D said last week. And I’m generally pretty well pro-cop, counting many LEO’s among my relatives and friends.
That said, I don’t understand why it is that firefighters, delivery guys, meter readers, mailmen etc, etc; can deal with aggressive dogs on a daily basis, unarmed. (The workers and the dogs both!) And these people get bitten occasionally – but they almost never pull out guns and shoot the many dogs they encounter.
Amazing – so folks on the “left,” or folks of an anarchist bent (you know who you are) – if you REALLY want an issue involving police overreach and violence that can be used to drive productive change in PD procedure, take a look at this one.
If you want some ammo, go to youtube and type “cops killing dogs” as your search phrase. But don’t watch some of the videos unless you either hate dogs or have a strong stomach.
And, before some bozo attacks me for “equating” the value of human life and canine life – read my earlier posts on this topic this week.
And thanks for the link about police training for dealing with knives, StEF. I pulled one of the comments because it confirms an earlier point I was trying to make:
“A month after one of our training sessions, one of our officers was faced with a knife weilding suspects. He did exactly as trained and the suspect made a choice to surrender. We have seen over the years that when faced with an officer who knows what to do, most suspects won’t take a chance. When an officer hesitates or acts like they are not sure what to do, then is when the suspects will try them. Using the information from the original “rule” and the follow up information from Force Science studies, gives officers better understanding of what they can and should be doing when faced with a potential deadly threat.” – comment –
So yeah – good, repeat GOOD, training drives good policing, which produces better results and better lives.
http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
I train at the Minnesota Kali Group, which involves stick
fighting & knives, and unarmed defense against knives. There are a lot of cops who study here, mostly because cops will probably face a knife sooner than a civilian. And yes, the 21 foot rule is true. If you’re not holding a gun already within that 21 feet, you’ll never be able to get it out in time to prevent being attacked. This has been demonstrated time & time again in class.
“Normally I prefer a non-violent stance. But this recent gratuitous beheading of an American journalist has got my blood boiling. We should send a sufficiently large group of commandos to Iraq (or Syria), get these Isis….” – aklein –
Interesting, AK. The video was awful. The act is worse than despicable. I am roused to violent anger, myself – but that’s a more common emotion for me. (right, btb? hah!)
And think of all the acts of hideous violence that have been directed against Americans since 9/11/2001. What makes you key in on this one violent act in the badlands of Iraq – when there have been so many violent acts against Americans in so many other places.
So – AK, you do need to give some thought that your emotions are being deliberately manipulated – and not necessarily just by the jihadis.
What could be more delightful than christians, moslems, jews all murdering each other? Chances are the joohadis have no idea who their actual masters are…….we here in Ft. Meade have it all under control. And our ebola experiment in central africa is proceeding magnificently…..
This week’s installment in CFN’s Collapse Chronicles is topical. I found this sentence in the top para’ amusing:
“Perhaps it’s a seasonal thing: race riots in the summer; stock market crashes in the fall, revolutions in the spring.”-J H K.
The next three paragraphs are one man’s analysis of the events as they may/not have occurred in one of America’s many less-blessed townships. I have no dog in this rumpus, so I don’t have much to say about them one way or the other.
As I’ve mentioned before, I focus on the strategic. The only way that I’d get interested in this dreck is if it indicated something unexpected. It is not. So…
Be that as it may, Mr. Kunstler’s concluding analysis aligns:
“This poor nation is faced with the tasks of completely retooling its economy in a way that it can’t bear to imagine, and of also reforming its grotesque social behavior. One might follow the other in a better world, but our prospects for the moment are not so bright. My own camp is inclined to expect an anguished collapse rather than any deliberate reformation. We’ve set ourselves up for it.”-J H K.
The primary take-away point here is that the transition we need to make is precisely the one that we’re not navigating – as a society.
What will come of that? Clearly we will not come through it as a society (singular)…
So it might be prudent to plan accordingly.
Russia to Build Nuclear Space Reactor by the end of this year.
A Russian Megawatt-class nuclear propulsion reactor for long-range manned spacecraft will be ready by the end of this year. The entire nuclear propulsion system should be ready for test flights by 2018.
NASA started a program to develop a nuclear propulsion system in 2003, and spent several hundred million dollars on the project before cutting funding.
Spacecrafts with nuclear propulsion system could radically change economics of space exploration and settlement.
Humanity should be looking at expansion to space rather than redistributing limited resources of mother-Earth.
Could that development offer humanity a way out of current economic dead-end?
http://en.ria.ru/science/20120328/172442924.html
http://expert.ru/2013/01/31/vyijti-iz-tupika/
Everyone has noticed the contradiction of those who recently characterized the Islamic Emirate as “freedom fighters” in Syria and who are indignant today faced with its abuses in Iraq. But if that speech is incoherent in itself, it makes perfect sense in the strategic plan: the same individuals were to be presented as allies yesterday and must be as enemies today, even if they are still on orders from Washington. Thierry Meyssan reveals US policy through the particular case of Senator John McCain, conductor of the “Arab Spring” and longtime partner of Caliph Ibrahim.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html
Actually there is no contradiction because when it all kicked off there were more than 5 factions opposing Assad. It’s only simpletons who of see the middle east as a two sided conflict. IS are merely the most aggressive of a bunch of homicidal maniacs. The fact that you think it is a two horse race is just a symptom of American ignorance of world affairs.
Jim, perhaps this will answer your questions, “For example, are we hard-wired to self-segregate?”, or “Have we completely discarded the idea of a common culture along with uniform standards of behavior?”
Jane Elliott’s Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAmdZvKf6M
“In any case, the officially-sanctioned future that so many people are expecting — the digital wonderland economy — will not survive the energy and capital scarcities ahead.”
Actually, an agrarian future in which most people toil in the fields is not necessarily incompatible with the digital wonderland.
One reason the digital wonderland has come about is that the laws of physics are compatible with the acquisition, transmission, processing, and display of mass quantities of information, with a low consumption of energy and materials in doing so, at least in terms of the resource requirements per bit of information.
Thus, in a time of energy and materials scarcity, the information economy may still survive in some form.
Unfortunately, the elements of modern civilization that are too resource-dependent to survive a resource-scarce dark age are those most important to material well-being of the populace: Affordable food, housing, health care, and transportation.
Nice post, isjogren.
And Fincain in Mountains – are you telling us that the government that was responsible for Chernobyl, and a few other nuclear “incidents,” is thinking about launching large nuclear reactors through Earth’s atmosphere and then orbiting them around Earth somewhere.
This just does not seem like a really good idea to me.
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Also – there’s zero doubt that IS/Isil are some mean and deranged sons of bitches. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-journalist-partly-ids-james-foley-killer-article-1.1912022
Helps one understand why Obama was so eager to get that sargent out of Iraq. So eager that his administration traded 5 terrorists for that sargent’s (allegedly) deserting ass. Very few people on the left or the right would have been glad to see Bergdahl in uniform, having his head lopped off.
Interesting times.
And yeah – if you’re in Syria or Iraq – there’s no doubt that this is part of what collapse looks like.
Hey C. that Soldier was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Not that Afghanistan is any safer. In fact, when we pull out of there in a few months look for another bloodbath.
Obama might go down in history as the first president to lose not 1 war but 2 wars. I guess the world is not what he thought it was. Remember the speeches in Berlin & Cairo? He must be mighty disappointed, bowing and scraping and debasing himself and the US before the whole world the way he did. What good did it do? What did it get him? Are we any better off now?
–BRH
So what? US had lost couple of H-bombs off the cost of Spain back in 70s, I believe. As recently as in 2004 they flew a rogue B-52 bomber all over US loaded with armed nuclear cruise missiles. You are not suggesting US should give up nuclear arsenal, are you?
*** BREAKING NEWS****
Kiev “intelligence” community just confirmed: the Russian trucks that comprise humanitarian convoy to SE Ukraine after going through Ukraine border will transform into giant fighting robots that will form the first shock wave of Russian invasion.
Also, in the truck tires they are smuggling the “Russian Air Of Freedom” – a poisonous gas capable to selectively affect the Kiev’s Nazis.
FC, why do you call the Ukraine govt. in Kiev Nazis?
I hear some people are comparing Putin to Hitler, and his Army to the SS.
Are both sides Nazis, Nazis against Nazis?
–brh
Well, let me see now
1. Their support base includes the former Nazi division “Galichina” responsible for extermination of Ukrainian Jews during the WWII
2. Their symbolic incorporate Swastika-sometimes slightly altered, sometimes in its natural form.
3. They executed every fifth soldier in battalion of Ukrainian army that refused to fire on its own citizens.
4. They carpet-bomb with heavy artillery the civil districts of Donetsk and Luhansk.
5. They burned alive 200 protesters in Odessa.
6. They are planning to put all population of SE Ukraine into “detention camps for selective sorting”
Shall I go on?
No, you’ve said enough, tho I doubt that’s the whole story.
I have this book around here ‘Pure Soldiers or Sinister Legion, the Ukrainian 14th Waffen-SS Division’ by Sol Littman. These guys were crushed in 1945..
Is that who you are referring to?
–brh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFgRtTH33sw
Ukrainian nazi parade in memory of SS-Galicina
You still don’t get it: Sol is probably singing the praises of the Ukrainian forces now. Remember, the first Neo-Cons were Jewish ex-Trotskyites. How or why did they make such a change you ask? That assumes that they believed in Communism to begin with. They hold their beliefs “lightly” to say the least – as tools or vehicles. They don’t believe in anything except as it serves the Jews. They might become Monarchists tomorrow.
Exactly. The word (which the National Socialists didn’t use) has become ridiculous and useless become over used – by people like you and people on the Left as well.
And don’t forget about their allies in Ukraine – the Jews. And the people who put this bizarre coalition in power – America.
When they come for you, you’ll know who is nazi and who isn’t.
It’s getting worse. Last time, Spike Lee tried to publish the address of George Zimmerman – and got it wrong, driving an innocent elderly couple out of their home. This time the media itself has published Darren Wilson’s address – correctly I assume. And they got a real White guy this time too, an officer no less.
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/08/lets-talk-about-missouri/#more-49124
re | Iran’s ‘come to jesus’ moment;
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/744481
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/18/did-iran-just-knife-putin-in-the-back/
On a much lighter Kunstlerian note;
How not to take a property photo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727725/Who-d-live-house-like-Worst-estate-agent-pictures-homes-Swastikas-wall-smashed-windows-animal-trophy-heads.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
… this is, if you *want* the house to sell.
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Dirty Bombs Do Not Play
ISIS Is On Its Way
Beheadings Galore
Crucifixions And More
The West Will Have Its Flambé
Sergei Glaziev, Putin’s assistant: Russia is subsidizing US economy in the amount of a hundred billion dollars a year
http://argumenti.ru/economics/n451/359932
The Budget Rule of the Russian government still requires investing the profits coming from energy trades into US Treasuries. Interestingly enough, the rule still remains on the books despite economic war declared by US on Russia. The situation is reminiscent of June 1941 when USSR kept sending grain trains to Germany despite German troops advancing on Moscow.
The war time circumstances should force Russian government to revisit the rules of the game. The rule was implanted into Russian government in the 90s along with other liberal ideas of “Washington Consensus”.
Not hard to estimate that western speculators that were invited in early 90s made about 1000% ROI by the 1998 when they crushed the Russian stock market and caused the default of the Russian government. Then they come back, doubled up by 2008 and crushed the Russian market again.
Overall participation of American “investors” cost Russia anywhere between 1 and 2 trillion dollars.
A hundred bullion here, a hundred billion there and now you’re talking US budget.
CFN is the place to go to find out the details on how whatever has gone wrong in the universe, since the Big Bang 13 billion years ago, is the fault of the United States (and Israel).
–brh
C’mon, Marlin, everyone knows the Jews were responsible for the Big Bang. It was all part of the plot to rule the universe.
Yes, Bill. Judaism teaches that Jews are from God and Non-Jews from the demonic spheres – and are just animals in human form. That doesn’t mean that G-D can’t use Gentiles: Rabbi Schneerson, considered the Messiah by some and widely honored by both the Democrats and Republicans, said that Hitler was sent by God to punish secular Jews like you.
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2014/04/non-jewish-soul-comes-from-three.html
Yeah, well, God was a little late – I was born 2 weeks after Hitler bought it.
BTW, I don’t believe in any of the Hasidic-type medieval bullshit or Kabbalistic crap either. If God did exist, I think He would be forward-looking, not backward. It hasn’t done too much for the Islamists, has it?
But many Israelis do. And since they have the big families, Israel is getting more fundamentalist every minute. Think that doesn’t have an effect on their policies and politics? Thus you should study this stuff to understand where Israel is going – and to decide if you want to go with them in terms of your tacit assent.
Many Jews have stood up and said, “Not in my name.”
“Yeah, well, God was a little late – I was born 2 weeks after Hitler bought it.”-Bill.
LOL!
n i c e l y…
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Cheers!
Hello BackRow,
For the record: I’m primarily interested in risk, impact and exposure.
There’s not much point in looking at ‘blame’ because what can you do with that, from a practical standpoint? Document the ‘lessons-learned’ so that we can do things better *next time*?
I agree with you though. There are a few persecution-fetishists in the CFN.
Cheers!
re | the ‘die-back’ chronicles
The numbers explode:
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_08_22_ebola/en/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28905382
C’mon, you didn’t think that this issue went away, did you?
Actually, it’s working its way up the risk-matrix and that trend will very likely __continue__.
So tell me, what’s more destructive? What’s more poisonous?
Is it the in-your-face racism like what you see in the shaved headed, swastika types?
Or is it the other version, the one couched in compassion, concern, love for one’s fellow man?
I’ve seen some of the first variety up close. I’ll bet a lot of others on the site have too, you know, from guys with minimally schooling, working for shit pay, in debt, constantly running out of money. Generally beat-down, screwed-over, chewed up, spat out or, as Jimmy the K might put it, they live in that place of on-and-off dependency, on-and-off employment, hope and self respect draining out their shoes. I know, I know, excuses, excuses…
So what’s the deal with the other racists, you know, genteel, groomed, sophisticated, polished, well dressed, well spoken, literate, educated? Part of the “condescension machine” as Jimmy says. A lot of these grew up in the wealthy, professional, managerial class. I would include in that “condescension machine” people in academia, the civil service, the judiciary, a whole career-making, money-sucking apparatus supposedly set up to do “good”. In any case, what’s their excuse?
In my humble opinion, they have NO possible excuse. None. They have no conceivable explanation for their own racism, for their own behavior, for their complicity with people of their own class that wrecked the US economy and the well being of tens of millions, that created the steadily increasing, steadily more impoverished underclass. They know damn well (or ought to know) who pulled the levers.
Blacks, at the bottom of the societal pile got screwed first. Just as their prospects were set to improve, their jobs started going overseas. Working class whites were next. Hispanics, seemingly, never got off the launch pad, their own condition of marginalization a deliberate policy of multiple administrations of both parties.
The condescension machine, from a parasitical group of overlords that skim from the productive work of people they see as “inferiors”, DEPENDS on the maintenance of the racial and economic underclass. As the condition of the underclass worsens, as their collective behavior gets more dysfunctional, more toxic, the condescension machine becomes more necessary.
“In my humble opinion, they have NO possible excuse.”-volodya.
They are not interested in these issues to fix them, only to make themselves feel better. That’s not an excuse, that’s an irrational ‘need’.
They come up with ways to rationalize why they’re so fortunate (better ‘attitude’, other intangibles, etc.), while doing something ineffectual to assuage any guilty feelings that they might have – while never actually changing things.
After all, how can they challenge a status quo in any truly tangible way, when they’re having such a comfortable ride on its coat-tails?
They’ve travelled an interesting road in post-WW2 America. It has had many twists, and many turns, and it has deposited them *here*: the End of the Road.
Whites, Jews, and Asians often inherit money left to them by their parents. Blacks seldom do. Is this what you mean? And you think this should be changed? That Blacks should get our money and not our kids? No? Then what do you mean, exactly. Start with my example.
Did it ever occur to ‘Janos’ that I might be saying *nothing* of the sort?
I prefer to focus on the pragmatic – ie., a clear-eyed, non-self-serving appraisal of where we are *now*, and what can actually be *done* – as opposed to the laundry list of irrelevant BS that you seem to be fixated upon.
If you’re wondering why posters don’t reply to your first retort, this is the root of it. For most people, the expenditure of time and energy it takes to map your worldview to theirs does not seem worth it.
As a starting point why don’t we back up a bit? For instance, __NOTHING__ was said about “giving” the “Blacks” “our” money.
If you want to have a conversation, start at the same spot and proceed from there.
It is possible for people with different views to have civil conversations.
In other words, I was right. You (and the Left in general) do want to change inheritance laws to that effect. After all, it’s one of the planks of Communist Manifesto.
Notice how he puts quotation marks around “our”. Does that mean we don’t exist a race? Or just that it’s not our money? Perhaps both.
He also does the same with “Blacks”. Evidently, since we are all ONE, the word Blacks is obsolete. Giving is also so marked. Perhaps “gift” is to protest that it’s not theirs already. Thus the old 60’s rationale for Black looting: it belongs to you so take it.
Amazing how difficult he has made communication. Too bad he didn’t just tell us what he meant and save us from this onerous task of interpretation.
Look at James Foley
All Fit and Trim
Certainly Well-Fed
And Not Too Grim
The Sky Is Bright
It’s Crystal Clear
Out Comes A Knife
But Foley’s Unfazed
The Slicing Commences
Bucolic Scenery Fades
What Comes Next
Can Only Be Described
As An Act of Horror
Seemingly Staged
Leaders Watch in Darkened Rooms
Scotch, Lotion and Tissues Close at Hand
After Hours of Viewing Pleasure
They Issue Their Commands
Bomb All The Brownskins
Until Their Home’s a Wasteland
How about a stanza about the President going back to playing golf immediately after viewing said video, fist bumping and high fiving with Alonzo Morning? Remember what a big deal it was when President Bush went on reading to those elementary school kids after he learned about the events on 9/11? Now not so much.
–brh
Also Cole, one of the justifications ISIS is offering for mass rape in N Iraq is that too many Christians and Kurds have blue eyes and blond hair and it needs to be breeded out. So it there is race consciousness here its not coming from our side.
–brh
I’ve been mildly interested in this item myself:
Yazidis; apparently there *is* a “blond bloodline”…
http://imgur.com/gallery/QjKmZI3
Meanwhile, In Eire:
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/the-light-skin-of-the-irish-can-be-traced-to-india-and-the-middle-east-239166271-239671671.html#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=53f51f162e3d8233&at_ab=per-16&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
One learns something new, all the time – if one looks.
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Cheers!
Back in the realm of Big Picture Stuff:
It’s enough to make you ask: W T F were the neocons thinking and/or smoking?
http://orientalreview.org/2014/08/22/washingtons-nightmare-comes-true-the-russian-chinese-strategic-partnership-goes-global-ii/
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http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/08/21/dont_look_now_but_libya_is_falling_apart
Sufficiently General Theory of Control (Governance)
Big new thing in Russia. Conceptual power (above traditional american three branches)
http://m3ra.ru/2005/09/09/about_cob_in_brief/
According to the Sufficiently General Theory of Control, all means of control can be divided into general groups which are arranged hierarchically from the most effective to the least. Such instruments of influence on society, whose reasonable use allows control over its life and death, are:
1. Information of worldview nature, or methodology, which, once adopted, allows one to build – individually and socially – their «standard automations» of identification of particular processes within the completeness and integrity of the World, and to define in their individual perception the hierarchical order of these processes in their mutual interconnection. This information is the foundation for the culture of thinking and for the completeness of control activities, including intra-social absolute power both on regional and global levels.
2. Information of annalistic, chronological nature, in all domains of Culture2 and all domains of Knowledge. It allows one to see the direction in which processes are developing, and to correlate particular domains of Culture as a whole and of branches of Knowledge. To those whose worldview is based on the sense of proportion (measure, Russian: mera) and is conformable to the World, this information allows identifying particular processes while filtering the «chaotic» flow of facts and phenomena through the worldview «sieve» – subjective human measure of identification.
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” George Orwell, 1984
3. Information of fact-descriptive nature: description of particular processes and their interconnections constitutes the substance of information of the third priority, which includes the faith-teachings of religious cults, secular ideologies, technologies and facts of all domains of science.
4. Economic processes, as an instrument of influence subordinated to purely informational instruments of influence through finances (money), which embody a totally generalized type of information of economic nature.
5. Genocide practices, affecting not only current generations, but also future generations to come, eliminating the genetically-based potential for acquisition and development by them of the cultural heredity of their ancestors. These practices include: nuclear blackmail – threat of use; alcohol, tobacco and other kinds of narcotics, food additives, all ecological pollutants, some medicines and vaccines – real use; «gene engineering» and «biotechnologies» – potential danger.
6. Other instruments of influence, mainly by force – weapons in the traditional sense of this word: those killing and crippling human beings, destructing and exterminating material and technical objects of civilization, cultural monuments and bearers of their spirit.
In the past 15 years overuse by United States of the 6th Priority (brute military force) indicates the general breakdown of western conceptual power.
The higher the power priority, the more long-lasting effect it has, but it takes longer time to affect the changes, decades or even centuries.
The lowest priority – brute force – institutes immediate changes, but the one that does not last very long. Iraq would be good example.
“The lowest priority – brute force – institutes immediate changes, but the one that does not last very long. Iraq would be good example.”-FincaIn.
The Tofflers (the authors of Future Shock, etc.) came up with a catchy way to characterize different types/levels/valences of Power: Punishment Power (use of force), Reward Power (Wealth) and Knowledge Power (self-explanatory, and it maps to 1-3 w/n your ‘Theory’).
They used the parable of the Shinto Goddess Amaterasu and her divine attributes: The Sword (representing force in all its manifestations), The Jewel (representing wealth of all kinds) and The Mirror (knowledge of Self and Other).
As you say, the first and in this case lowest form of power is Force. It is limited (it can only punish), and of shortest duration. Wealth can punish and reward and Knowledge can punish, reward or transform the nature of the game entirely…
The principle (whether stated from the standpoint of the ‘Sufficiently General Theory’ or from the Toffler’s Triad, will scale downwards into the various forms of power themselves.
For instance, why is it that Strategic problems can’t be fixed with tactical solutions? Because tactical solutions are the application of force within the Force Domain at the lowest level ie., just taking care of immediate issues of smallest scope (like “kicking ass” in an ambush or assassinating an irrelevant figurehead).
Whereas moves which are strategic yank the rug out from under the adversary from the bottom to the top echelon, obsolescing their skillsets and positioning. This would be an example of applying force at the highest level (Knowledge) with the Force Domain of Power.
In a Collapsing political and enterprise environment, instability maximizes and small inputs of power generate outcomes completely out of normal proportion. The Tofflers actually used the example of Herr Hitler to illustrate this point. So…
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…We don’t really know who or what we’ll be dealing with, as things get more ‘slippy’. [*]
Cheers!
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[*] We can forecast accurately at the strategic level and somewhat below that, but we can barely do that in the play-by-play tactical end of things.
For example: we can figure out how many folks will die in any given situation or ‘eventuality’ [**] but we don’t know the actual names of the dearly soon-to-be departed.
Why? The closer we approach these events the more distortion is introduced into our observations, some of it originating with ourselves. This is an interesting outside-the-lab variation on the Schrodinger’s Cat phenom’, which I’ve always felt rather ‘randy’ about – in a purely intellectual way, mind you… ;]
[**] That term has always ‘amused’ me in a way, because ‘eventualities’ have a way of eventually happening, and then the official story is always that it was ‘unforeseen’
Seigniorage – the difference between the value of money and the cost to produce and distribute it. Forth priority of the Governance.
According to the Sufficiently General Theory of Control, the desired results of the Governance are always hidden from general public. Instead, at least two lies are being offered and public is placed between two competing lies.
Example: the current private monetary system of Federal Reserve. Public is generally placed between two lies as a solution:
1. The “Gold Standard”
2. The “Competing Currencies” (something like Bitcoins).
Another example is a choice between “Central Planning” and “Free Market”. In fact, “Central Planning” is a structural form of control while “Free Market” is unstructured one. Depending of subject of control, either one could be used, sometimes even the combination of two.
Interest Rate – the foundation of the Forth Priority
When V.Putin came to power in Russia in 1999, the bank interest rate was at around 28%. One of the reasons Putin is hated so much by the West is that he consistently over the years lowered the Interest Rate. Now the Russian C.B. refinance rate I believe is around 8% – still way too high since it impedes development of say, agriculture with profitability sometimes as low as 5-6 percent.
The Latin Nation I live in has bank interest rate at about 24 – 26% (with all paper work and enough equity). Street rates are normal at 36 – 40 percent. Never thought why the “first world” nations have C.B. interest rates below 1 %?
Is one of the reasons why Muslim world is targeted by the West is that Koran explicitly prohibits usury?
“Is one of the reasons why Muslim world is targeted by the West is that Koran explicitly prohibits usury?”-FincaIn.
Thanks for bringing this out into the open Finca in the Mountains.
This is a theory put out there by parties not affiliated with BIS-dominated nations.
You have to ask yourself things like: was there ever a time in history when an insurgent army decided – in the heat of battle – that it’s No.1 priority was to set up a “Central Bank” for the nation it had yet to liberate?
It happened once. In Libya. During the last fiasco-fiesta.
From the standpoint of your post, it might be rewarding to examine the circumstances of Gaddafi’s demise, the timing of it, by whom, etc.
After the Boris Eltsin coup in Moscow in 1993 (tanks on the streets of Moscow, shelling of the Parliament building, snipers on the roof of American embassy killing police and demonstrators alike, you know, usual stuff…) Eltsin rapidly adopted new Russian Constitution and – as you already guessed establishment of “independent” Private Central Bank of Russia was one of the centerpiece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
Yeltsin in ’93 is a good example.
Same strategy, similar situation: a political puppet ramming a raft of pro-Finance Sector looting laws through. In that case there were some people smart enough to read the fine print and try to fight back. . .
Unlike what happened in Kyiv this year, where the idiots accepted a ‘heads you win, tails I lose proposition’ so that they could maintain their supposed ‘grip’ on ‘power’ [chuckle, chuckle].
re | Iran’s Repositioning:
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/744481
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/18/did-iran-just-knife-putin-in-the-back/
Apparently, the Iranians want to work with the EU/US-axis after all.
They’ve given the nod to providing the European Union with natural gas via the US Neo-Con sanctioned ‘Nabucco’ Pipeline Project… If this is absolutely true it means 3 things:
1. That Iran just shanked Russia in the back (the kidney shot!),
2. That IS/ISIS/’Moderate’ Islamic ‘Syrian Freedom Fighters’ are now irrelevant to the ‘greater good’, and;
3. That a bunch of neo-conservative hacks inside the beltway will be celebrating for the rest of the month.
And who the hell is going to sell them SAMS capable of shooting down American jets? Russia just revived the project of supplying Iran with variety of C-300 surface-to-air.
Iranians may hate Russians, but the hate Americans better.
Suddenly, Assad is back in the fold, again;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/west-poised-to-join-forces-with-president-assad-in-face-of-islamic-state-9686666.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-gives-intelligence-assad-targetting-isis-commanders-1462375
ISIS has been repositioned by western media. When they were committing atrocities in Syria (ostensibly against Assad) their involvement was downplayed (they were the ‘Islamic Moderates’)… And now of course that has changed. They didn’t however. Same folks doing the same stuff, just in a different ‘venue’.
It also doesn’t help that Iran is reaching out to ‘the West’ about reviving the Nabucco Pipeline Project – which is a major neocon milestone.
If that is true, then IS/ISIS is completely expendable. Which explains why the media ‘suddenly’ noticed that they are monsters.
So, if Iran is working with the West (meaning NATO/US etc.) in order to get sanctions lifted, even while they work out whatever arms deals are already in motion with Russia, that repositions the Gulf States as well, no?
BUT, that also means that *other* relationships in the M-E may come under review, does it not?
As I’ve mentioned. I’m wary about making statements about Middle Eastern activity. The players are lying – when they aren’t changing their minds or being inspired by [INSERT SOURCE OF DIVINE INSPIRATION HERE] – or they’re simply getting paid off by parties unknown. It’s the politics of desperation on steroids.
Too many roads.Only one destination.
“Amazing how difficult he has made communication. Too bad he didn’t just tell us what he meant and save us from this onerous task of interpretation.”-‘Janos’.
The problem here is in your head, Janos. You asserted that I said something that I didn’t – this typical of you – and then you followed up with a series of ever-more bizarre extrapolations about word that I placed in quotes because I was quoting YOU.
Not only do you not seem to be aware of what you said, you seem to be conversing with person(s) that only you perceive.
There are some very precise terms for this sort of behavior, in a book referred to as the “DSM”.
Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzJx7v3THSI
Parade of Ukrainian prisoners of war was held in Donetsk, Novorossia. It was a carbon-copy of parade held in 1944 in Moscow of German Nazi prisoners of war. Even street-cleaning tucks followed the column of prisoners
Sergei Glazyev, Vladimir Putin’s chief ‘integration’ adviser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cikvqdMRTTA
“The world today is going through a year of overlapping cyclical crises. This is a period when the global economy is changing as the structure that has driven economic growth for 30 years has exhausted itself. The world needs to transition to a new system and transition has always come about through war…
The last elections to the European Parliament showed that all European citizens are not fooled by the fals pro-American, anti-Russian propaganda… and by the constant stream of lies.
In order to avoid the constant threat of foreign asset confiscation, we need to build our own sovereign monetray macro-economic policy.”
brh — just for you.
Martha’s Vineyard
What a Place To Be
Enjoy Some Golf
By The Rolling Sea
Across The Waves
Beyond The Distant Shores
Chaos & Crisis Looms
As Alonzo Yells Fore
What Does It Matter Anyway
If The President’s In D.C.?
Today It’s All a Virtual Office
Whether It’s The 1st or 19th Tee
So Give It a Rest About BHO’s Whereabouts
Cuz It’s Plainly Obvious To Some
Regardless of Who Heads The Executive
What’s Done Doesn’t Interfere With Their Fun
“Hey C. that Soldier was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Not that Afghanistan is any safer. In fact, when we pull out of there in a few months look for another bloodbath.
Obama might go down in history as the first president to lose not 1 war but 2 wars. I guess the world is not what he thought it was. Remember the speeches in Berlin & Cairo?” – backrowheckler –
Thanks for the correction concerning Bergdahl, backrow. It’s funny how I mentally transferred Bergdahl to the region of greater instability and anarchy, Iraq. I should have referred to anywhere in the region as Wherethehellistan, as is my usual custom.
And you’re right concerning Obama’s legacy of losing wars and screwing stuff up. I keep wondering how different a Romney or McCain presidency would have been. Historical what-if’s, right?
Here’s some criticism of Pres. O that could be coming from Hannity or Limbaugh. It’s not, thought. I’ll let everybody guess the source.
“It’s probably good for your soul but you still have to be informed about how decadent things are out here. But, no: MSNBC, state press, it’s all Obama propaganda, and Sharpton is the worst. Sharpton said explicitly, I will never say a critical word about the president under any condition. That’s why he can’t stand what I’m saying. He can’t stand what I do because, for him, it’s an act of racial traitorship to be critical of the president.”
– neither Rush nor Hannity –
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/cornel_west_he_posed_as_a_progressive_and_turned_out_to_be_counterfeit_we_ended_up_with_a_wall_street_presidency_a_drone_presidency/
“I train at the Minnesota Kali Group, which involves stick
fighting & knives, and unarmed defense against knives. There are a lot of cops who study here, mostly because cops will probably face a knife sooner than a civilian. And yes, the 21 foot rule is true. If you’re not holding a gun already within that 21 feet, you’ll never be able to get it out in time…” – captain spaulding –
All true, captain.
There’s a generational thing going on with cops. Most-all of the younger ones are armed to the teeth, and are riding on a hair trigger concerning having their authority challenged and/or their perception of threat to their own “officer safety.” This is less of an issue for older cops – for reasons that might be interesting to analyze.
Of course, despite all analyses, the younger generation is rapidly taking over in law enforcement. That they are doing so as large chunks of the middle class in the US descend into the lower class –
Serves to make the situation even more “interesting.”
Some reports out of Ferguson paint Officer Wilson as an all-around nice guy. Specifically, somebody (can’t remember who, local PD chief?) said that Wilson “never got angry.”
It is very, very likely that Brown knew Wilson – at least from seeing him ride past in his patrol car and hearing the word on the street about him. Whether Wilson knew Brown is a complete unknown at this point.
Brown has three younger siblings. I wonder where his dad is.
I wonder what these three siblings are like, with respect to ages and/or criminal predelections.
And – pure conjecture – I wonder if Brown was subconsciously heading himself into prison for a while, to establish some street cred. I wonder if he thought assaulting a policeman would add to his reputation – and if he might have picked out the “nicest?” officer that he knew of for that assault. Just wondering, you know?
Anybody else wondering?
““under stress” means what? outnumbered? confronted by another race? heckled? missed their coffee and donuts?
(snip)
the local cops are being stressed. they have had to call in other “troops” for back up. because ferguson has a black minority, they have needed to ship in more blacks. that was a political tactic thought up by whom?” – karah –
Karah, I admire your humorous suggestions. And once “stress,” starts working on a LEO then training HAS TO BE FOLLOWED. So, the first thing I’m saying is if you’re not liking the results (too many “unarmed” civilians being shot) that you need to examine the training, and NOT pillory individual officers who follow that training.
As far as who came up with the political tactic to “ship in more blacks,” for law enforcement in Furguson. Well, I’d say that Missouri governor bears responsibility – as well as any other racial syncophants who return to the 1930’s whenever a black is shot by a white under less than clear-cut circumstances.
This, very sadly, includes our Divider in Chief – who could have done a great deal to REDUCE the racial animus in the Trayvon case and in the Ferguson case; but did the opposite.
IS claims it has ‘sleepers’ already in position in the UK and US, ready to strike at any time.
Dirty Bombs, They Do Not Play
A Nuclear Payload Is On The Way
Atlanta, Chicago, New York or L.A.
So Many Cities From Which To Choose
Boston, Seattle or San Francisco
Either Way We All Lose
The Catastrophe’s Been Telegraphed
Just Like 9/11
Public Officials Are Dropping Hints
Amidst The Spate Of Graphic Beheadings
So Be Prepared But Not Alarmed
The Masses Will Be Shattered & Scattered
Maybe Even Football Season Will Be Postponed
A Dirty Bomb Ensures It Won’t Matter
IS Can Do So Many Things
A Jack Of All Hot Evil Trades
The Apathy Exhibited For So Many Years
Is Returning To Haunt In Spades
So Open The Barn Door & Let The Horses Free
Even Though They’ve Long Left The House
Appreciate The Small Things In Life
Because Now Is Not The Time To Grouse
“Dirty Bombs, They Do Not Play
A Nuclear Payload Is On The Way”-ColdN.
Interesting how the fear factor of radiological contamination gets dialed up or down, depending on who the culprit is.
TEPCO contaminates a vast swath of Japan and the Pacific Ocean, and the Japanese Parliament passes a law forbidding public discussion about it (it comes with a 10-year sentence). In North America, nary a peep about the stuff wafting or washing up on its shores…
On the other hand (when it’s convenient) a goofball teenager comes back from an adventure romp in the Middle East at exactly the wrong time, is summarily imprisoned in a Naval brig having his mind turned to mush for five years, only to be convicted for ‘intending’ to something 1/1000th as damaging – on the basis of no evidence.
The Politics of Fear are interesting.
In the fable of The Boy Who Cried “Wolf”, the wolf did come eventually.
Also, you’re grousing.
“Also, you’re grousing.”-ColdN.
Actually I am not. I’m making an observation about Risk Management. Big difference.
It’s okay. One of the other readers will get it.
Cheers!
Big summit meeting coming up — Al Sharpton and Valerie Jarret.
We’ve come down a bit since the days when Henry Adams, Clarence King, John Hay and Navy Secretary Theodore Roosevelt would meet afternoons at Adams house in DC and discuss the affairs of the day.
Did you ever think you’d see the day when a character like Al sharpton would be meeting with the chief aide of the President of the United States?
Valerie Jarret, is she affiliated with Sunni or Shia? The answer to that question would explain a lot.
–brh