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Modernity Bites

     There is surely a correspondence between an exhausted culture and a populace devolved so far into mental dullness that it can’t recognize its predicament. We don’t seem to get how much the industrial production spree of the past 200 years has just plumb worn us out, not to mention the ecosystem we were designed to dwell in. My general sense of things for at least a decade is that we are closing this chapter of history and heading into something smaller, slower, and simpler, and that we could either go there willingly or get dragged there kicking and screaming by circumstances.
     It interests me to reflect that the way things are temporarily is the way people define normality, and think things will always be, so that if you are living in a big city like New York where so much remaining wealth is concentrated, and you are dazzled by the whirr and flash of things, including all the pretty young people drilling into their iPhones, you might expect a longer arc to the moment at hand.
     Out here in the provinces it’s a different story. The exhaustion is palpable. I dropped into the mall at mid-day on Sunday to take the pulse on the ballyhooed post-Thanksgiving ritual shopping frenzy and the place was like a ghost town. The sparse stream of supposed “consumers” had the dazed, beaten-down look of people pushed beyond the edge of some dark threshold, like displaced persons in a low-grade war zone. 
     Their behavior seemed ceremonial, though, mere acting-out as opposed to acting. They were not carrying bags with purchases. I saw almost nobody actually shopping, that is, fingering the merchandise, in either the two department stores I passed through or the smaller shops lining the corridors. There were strikingly few clerks in either the big or little retail operations and you got the feeling that these stores were now expected to run on automatic pilot, with a skeleton crew of employees because the margins just aren’t there anymore. They are going through the motions of being in business, and when Christmas is over some will not be there anymore. America has had enough, notwithstanding the latest YouTube videos showing crazed mobs fighting over worthless plastic crap at the “Black Friday” WalMart openings elsewhere around the country.
     The physical condition of our so-called towns (many of them just “facilities” smeared carelessly over the landscape) is something else. We are not taking care of our property in part because we don’t have the money, but also because so much of it is obviously not worth caring about, was not designed and built to be cared for – and anyway, there is the lure of the narcotic flat-screen television within to distract anyone with a fugitive thought of opposing the pervasive entropy of these times. The disgrace of this nation – I mean it quite literally – is now total, from our bodies to everything around us. We are entropy made visible.
     Variations on this exhaustion are playing out in other parts of the “advanced” world, Europe and Japan, where all the money-related parts of the modernity machine have gravel in their gears and are grinding into self-destruction. China will get to the same event horizon soon, too, despite the fact that so much of their stuff is brand-new – after all, what use is a set of new super-highways if Brent crude prices remain above $110?
     What if we just accept the reality that the industrial spree was a self-limiting adventure and now we have to move on? What do we give up? What do we actually do with our time and effort?
     There’s a clear trend to give up on the gigantic nation-state, at least in its current corporatist configuration, most recently in Spain with separatists winning this week’s election in the northern province of Catalonia. Perhaps greater Spain will now join the defunct entities of Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and the USSR. There are rumblings of “secession” here in North America now, where a certain moron-inflected cohort favors a replay of the Civil War, largely for sentimental reasons instilled by TV. What Dixieland doesn’t seem to grok is the unraveling of its own Sunbelt miracle economy which was, in effect, a suburban development bubble, and which will land them back in a ditch with a sack of turnips like Jeeter Lester’s family in Tobacco Road.
     Here are some trends we would benefit from getting comfortable with:
     Globalism is withering and will end with a whimper (sorry, Tom Friedman). The economy of North America will become much more internally focused in the decades ahead. If you are young, think about getting into the boat business on the continent’s magnificent inland waterway system. There will be no more trucking to move stuff around, and at the rate we’re going the railroads will never be fixed.
    National chain retail will be dying as its economies-of-scale vanish. WalMart and everything like it will be gone. No more Black Friday toy riots. Sorry. If you are young, think about getting into some kind of local business that will play a role in your rebuilt local economic network. There will be plenty of work for you, but not so much new cheap plastic crap to hassle with. Lots of opportunities for the business-minded!
     Farming comes back to the center of economic life. Hard to believe, I’m sure, if you live in an iPhone fantasy-land of apps and tweets. Forget all that stupid shit. The electric grid will certainly fail, or at least fail to be reliable enough to matter, in the next couple decades, and the real value in human existence will be using the land to produce a living. Lots of opportunities for young people who like to work outside. Also, some chance of political revolution to expedite changes in land tenure. 
     Farewell to the auto age and hello again to real communities. Hard to believe, I’m sure, as you read this in traffic on your iPad, but your commuting days are numbered. Indeed the whole car thing comes to a rather stunningly abrupt halt – though we are certainly doing everything possible now to prop it up. The old Herb Stein formulation will apply here: people do what they can until they can’t, and then they don’t. The implications in this for how we inhabit the landscape going forward are rather huge. Find a nice small town on a waterway surrounded by farmland and get ready to have a life.
     In the meantime, as these circumstances roil in the background, you can be sure that the people running things will campaign strenuously to keep the current set of rackets running. The results will be sad and possibly terrifying. Be brave and seek opportunity in these epochal changes. Modernity has nearly put us out of business. Leave the exhausted enterprise behind and be human for while. Enjoy the time-out from techno-progress that is at hand. It will be something to be grateful for.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. Danmyshrall November 26, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    First!

  2. TrE November 26, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    Many of us use this comments section to reflect on events on the distant national and international stages. It’s also good when we occasionally remind each other of the importance of plunging into the real, concrete, local interactions with family, friends, and strangers that bring us love and loss, show us beauty, and cause us pain. “Smaller, slower, and simpler,” as Jim writes this week.
    Our dog–a dear member of our family–did all of this every day of her life, and died this weekend. Jim wrote a beautiful and eloquent essay about the loss of his beloved dog some time ago. If you haven’t yet read it, the close of this year’s Thanksgiving weekend would be a great time to do so:
    http://www.kunstler.com/mags_chloe.html

  3. kulturcritic* November 26, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    The depravity continues, James
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/i-am-a-sick-man-the-depravity-of-collapse/
    KulturCritic

  4. asoka,, November 26, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    If there will not always be oil, then when and at what date will oil not be available. If no such date can be given, the peak oil problem is revealed to not really be a problem, anymore than a certain rogue planet crashing into the Earth is a problem.
    This CFN blog is much more interesting when I take the time to post here because I post on a variety of subjects, usually with correct grammar, usually concise posts, and usually with intelligent content. Always provocative, it seems, though not intentionally so.

  5. OccupyMBA November 26, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Jim, happy to report that Brattleboro, Vermont (nice small town on a waterway and on a railroad, with plenty of farmland) just had its 41st community Thanksgiving dinner – free food for all, lots of music and volunteering. More than 700 guests were served. Life goes on.
    Read “Inter States” – a prospective online novel set in 2040 (after the current gas boom falters, it would seem): http://interstates2040.wikispaces.com

  6. orbit7er November 26, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    Florida, that sprawl addicted, destroyed of what had been a paradise of wild and natural wonders, is facing another crisis – the collapse of the North Central springs which provide its fresh water.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/floridas-vanishing-springs/1262988

    As usual the Florida legislature “did” something which will do nothing to stop the collapse of its fresh water supply and natural springs, once one of the delightful wonders of Florida. As the article points out, similar aquifers in South Florida were long ago destroyed by the sugar barons who paved over the edge of the Everglades and are still on track to destroy the Everglades slowly but so surely.
    It should be scary to us all the ecological destruction going blithely on its way to disaster….

  7. Smokyjoe November 26, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    “Hard to believe, I’m sure, if you live in an iPhone fantasy-land of apps and tweets. Forget all that stupid shit.”
    Brilliantly said, even as I type this on a computer.
    I don’t want to be an old grumpy guy, but the youth have two conflicting impulses that JHK may miss:
    Less “stuff” is cool. This is a good trend to prepare our young folks for lives made by hand. With the focus on the gizmo in one’s palm, the impulse to own big physical things is waning. Even the doo-dads at the big boxes lack that appeal.
    This is why Nintendo is scrambling to get those gamers who want a tiny app to kill virtual things with, not some 60″ TV.
    This is why the car makers are going insane, trying to convince car-sharing Millennials that cars are still as cool as an iPhone.
    This is why restaurants are doing well. Youth go out to be social in person. They consume consumable goods and experiences with their friends, as “the most tribal generation in history.” Tribalism may help them when they have to grow and cook their own food, because mom and dad died of an old disease after the health-care system falls apart forever.
    I know nothing except my phone, which has all the answers. The Achilles’ Heel (Google it, kids) of your generation. When the phone dies/is stolen Millennials are as helpless as E.M. Forster’s characters in “The Machine Stops” (Google it, kids, while the power grid still works).
    They use phones as auxiliary memory and oracle for everything. In short, they have no information stored in their squishy brains. That means no knowledge, either.
    So JHK is right. If you are young and vigorous, learn skills for making things and growing food while we have this stable system called the Internet. Send fewer Tweets and get into raising things that tweet, cluck, and lay eggs.

  8. Zev Paiss November 26, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Future trends will only get better when we seriously begin to lay out realistic plans for a better future. The novel “From Here to There: AStory of America’s Future” is an inspiring and realistic story that shows us how the future can be better. A great holiday gift http://www.fromhere-totere.org

  9. newworld November 26, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Please Jim, the Obama cult will show up here and regale you with wonderful stories of Multi-cultural bread and circuses (see the above posts).
    And Jim take some time from bashing the South and google up Jamie Foxx’s paen to “Our Lord and Savior Barrack Obama” at the BET awards, hilarious.
    Congrats Jim you helped Amuurika turn into the Jim Jones cult writ large. What a freakin joke (see the clown Asoka’s posts)

  10. Zev Paiss November 26, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Sorry for the typo above. http://www.fromhere-tothere.org

  11. Bukko Canukko November 26, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    JHK, the American shopping mall and suburb fever dream is still alive and well in Vancouver, British Columbia. I’m practicing for living the post-auto lifestyle, and doing some exploring around this city to which I immigrated, so on Sunday I went for a long bicycle ride out to the Metrotown Mall, a massive shopping complex in one of Vancouver’s satellite cities to the east.
    I rode through kilometre after kilometre of ticky-tacky houses on Vancouver’s east side, most of them owned by Chinese, Vietnamese and other Asian immigrants who are buying in to the home-ownership vibe with bubble-inflated mortgages. Along Kingsway, a big thoroughfare, it was wall-to-wall restaurants, stores selling cheap crap, nail salons and other un-necessities, and cars, cars, cars. The auto mania was so thick and heavy around the Metrotown Mall that I didn’t feel safe riding my bike even on the sidewalks. I had to bail out to side streets to escape the stink of gasoline and diesel fumes.
    It’s going like 1950s America in this part of Canada. I used to look down on Canuckrainia as America’s poor cousin, but now the trend has reversed. I know it’s going to end someday, but I’ve been singing the Long Emergency song so long that I mostly shut up about it now. No one likes to be around the Cassandra. Even as things unravel, as you have been predicting they would, people don’t see the slow decline because they’re in the middle of it. But at least things don’t stink (aside from the car exhaust) as bad everywhere as they do in upstate New York.

  12. Neon Vincent November 26, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    Thanks for repeating the messages my students got when they watched “The End of Suburbia” last week. They got a good dose of the awfulness of the industrial city and how a lot of what they’ve gotten used to is in danger of going away. They did appreciate your comments about the tackiness of suburbia, including your observation that suburbs and their subdivisions are named after the things that were destroyed in the process of building them. The students were also amused by your calling the situation they are now experiencing as a “clusterfuck” and a “shitstorm.” I hope they got your justification for using those terms; that’s what I was really interested in.
    As I promised last week, I blogged about “The End of Suburbia” while discussing “Dispatches from the FEMA camps” by Metro Detroit’s own Jeff Wattrick, who writes for Wonkette. I posted another of my worksheets for a film on Wednesday, this time on “Food, Inc.” The analog to Jim there is Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms. Like Jim, he has an ecological economic viewpoint and thinks the current system should be scrapped. On Thursday, I posted a linkspam of food news from universities on the campaign trail for Thanksgiving. On Black Friday, I combined Buy Nothing Day and Boycott Walmart. The week ended with Small Business Saturday, which promotes the kinds of local retail outlets needed for a resilient, post-peak-oil future.
    I continued on this week with a post about how both same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization got big wins at the ballot box. That added new meaning to Leviticus’s injunction about who must be stoned. Today’s post is about Cyber Monday, and tomorrow’s is about the stink of retail desperation. As for the rest of the week, I know I’ll be marking my third anniversary of writing for Examiner.com and starting another month on Saturday.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  13. Steve November 26, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    thanks for this. I know exactly where you are. Our beloved Boomer died almost six years ago and I still remember everything of that day: our last walk,her last meal – everything.

  14. Phutatorius November 26, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    Pomeroy and Gallipolis, Ohio. Two smallish towns on the Ohio River with railroads and a bit of charm.
    I’m sure there are plenty more. -Phut

  15. John O November 26, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    One thing I really like about reading this blog on my Kindle: I don’t have to read the comments. The reader comments on the internet are a human sewer.

  16. Hammering Truth November 26, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    AMSO claims that the U.S. has 3 trillion barrels of oil under the Green River Formation:
    http://youtu.be/W2V9Db8iSAI
    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/24019-An-American-Oil-Find-That-Holds-More-Than-All-of-OPEC

  17. Dirk November 26, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    This is interesting. Jim’s ‘boots on the ground’ shopping Mall experience differed markedly from the report I heard on NPR saying that Black Friday was a unqualified success; people spending money like the proverbial ‘no tomorrow’ was the report. Retailers are therefore just pee peeing all over themselves, or so the story went.
    Well in any event the enter decadent chistmas clusterf*** of ‘shop shop SHOP’…’spend spend spend SPEND’ depresses me: you simply MUST go into debt and coddle your kids with the lastest greatest electronic plastic crap. For my part, I announced, as I have for years, that I would neither be buying or receiving ‘presents’, including cash in cards; if you buy me something I will not accept it. My job has been made easier because I am planning to live aboard an old sailboat this next year; yep…..heading for the Keys and the Caribbean in 2013. So, everything must go: I need only a few essential tools, spare parts, couple pair of shorts, flip flops, some fowl weather gear and my boat. Any ‘gifts’ will just be given away or sold before I leave anyway. I have nothing now, so the excercise of paring down has been enlightening: everything must go. There is just no room for crap or sentimentality aboard a 32 foot sailboat. I’m traveling light and cannot wait to be rid of my shit.

  18. Dirk November 26, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    Can you even SEE daylight from where your head is buried Asoka?

  19. dolphinlday November 26, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    I work in a call center for a cell phone carrier. Young and old alike, they are so dependent on their smartphones. As a previous commenter said, everything is in their phone, & when it’s not working, lost, or stolen, or been shut off when they can’t pay their bill…. it’s pretty pathetic. I don’t think it ever occurs to them to write anything down. I still have a basic cell phone which I don’t use much, I use my laptop, and am very appreciative to have it until I don’t, and don’t have to worry about the amount of data usage or any data overage charges. Reminds me of the movie “The Matrix”, like JHK said, the obsessions with apps, tweets, and Facebook too, is so unreal and stops them from being connected to what’s real and tangible. They will implode and meltdown big-time when the grid starts to falter…. I’ve been watching the new series “Revolution” but I really wish the focus of the show wouldn’t be about power/warring attitudes and the militia vs. the rebels, and instead more about a “World Made by Hand”.

  20. asoka,, November 26, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    “The National Retail Federation, an industry trade group, estimates that overall sales in November and December will rise 4.1 percent this year to $586.1 billion.”
    So, how is this possible since, according to CFN dogma, money is slow, credit is maxed out, the economy is the worst in USA history, poor folks have no money and are losing their houses, the middle class has disappeared, U6 unemployment is at Depression levels….? Indeed, according to CFN dogma we are now in an economic Depression, not in a recovery from a recession.
    Yet the big box store parking lots are full, and it’s not rich folks going to Target and WalMart.
    How do you explain this? Might it be that you, Mr. Kunstler, engage in perpetual hyperbole?
    Might it be that your perception of things economic does not accord with reality and is not supported by actual facts? Who is spending $586.1 BILLION DOLLARS? Where are they getting the money (since they have no plastic)?
    You say Americans are homeless, jobless, have no credit and have no money. You say we are in the worst economy of USA history. Yet, every year consumer spending increases.
    “It’s all good!!!

  21. wardoc November 26, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    I strongly suspect that JHK is in the throws of some sort of “holiday” warm and fuzzy spirit. I’ve never read him to be so optimistic in tone as in the above. Perhaps he’s referring to the period of “World Made by Hand,” and not the period between now and the. The “in between now and then” is going to be anything but pleasant, even if you live in a small community near a waterway with adjacent farm land.
    Regardless of where you reside, in the next few year you will be fighting off the same type of hoards you are seeing on YouTube vids of maniacal shopping scenes. Only then, they’ll be hungry and after food, not some stupid techno gadget or toy. They’ll be much more determined, serious and angry that you have and they don’t. And they’ll be in you middle class neighborhood, as that’s where it is believed that people have “STUFF.”
    So everyone enjoy the warm and fuzzy holiday season and dream of a less hassled life in the “world made by hand.” No one reading this will ever see that world but their children and grandchildren will. What you and I will see is the time “between now and then,” and it will be anything but something for which to be grateful.
    Wardoc

  22. shecky November 26, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    You don’t have to read the comments regardless. I sometimes do, just to give it all context. Like when my dachshund swallowed a marble, then shat it out. Gleaming opie in a turd matrix.

  23. The Communal Solution November 26, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    We’ve fortunate to have JHK to show us the direction we surly must head, but we are all somewhat limited in our imagination and experiences.
    While present folks can envision a beautiful and self sufficient rural existence many seem to forget the huge back to the land movement of the 70’s. I was part of that and over the years I saw mostly a steady movement back into the system. Now you might suppose if everyone were doing it, had to do it, it would work. Yes, it could if communities could make the most essential resource of all, land, available to all. And if everyone was content with the inefficiencies of family based homesteading and so didn’t mind working all the time just to survive.
    But, that’s not what I would guess will happen. Besides seeing the back to the land folks migrate back to the cities and the system, I saw the hard core who did stay put and owned land, put that land, that “capital” to work, not through farming but rather through the ever so subtle exploitation of those other “drop outs” who did not own land.
    I understand the baggage that comes with the word communal. Never the less all social or cultural agreements have a communal aspect, even if they are accepted as default.
    As a 70’s dropout and long time organic farmer I would bet the best quality of life would come from cooperative communities, communes actually. But this time done right as in being large, democratic and neither puritanical nor driven by material lust. http://www.the-communal-solution.us

  24. wardoc November 26, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    The series, “Revolution,” is set around 15 years out from a grid crash. They’re still in the chaotic, barbaric and bloody period between now and the “world made by hand.” After one of the warring groups gets complete control and kills off ALL their enemies (and dissenters, etc), the conflicts will gradually dissipate and the “world made by hand” will emerge, about 60 years after the initial collapse.
    Wardoc

  25. ozone November 26, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    “I’ve been watching the new series “Revolution” but I really wish the focus of the show wouldn’t be about power/warring attitudes and the militia vs. the rebels, and instead more about a “World Made by Hand”.” -DD
    I empathize with your complaint, but we both intuitively know what’s what: Pastoral resilience doesn’t sell; killin’ and fightin’ does. Money has become the final arbiter of taste (amongst its’ many other fine employments).

  26. bobby j November 26, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Without “reality” it should end badly,at least one would hope so otherwise its’ all some kind of virtual fantasy.It’s confusing to try to come to grips with a fantasy world out of touch with reality. You want to sell and consume lots and lots of stuff even though you are running out of the essential resources that fill the Big Box stuff outlets .
    We want to live large on diminishing returns and our central concerning question is when will I be impacted.Maybe you are so within the fantasy that you don’t ask the question; indeed ignorance is bliss maybe for a little while.

  27. bailey November 26, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Globalization is good for developing countries but lousy for the nation state.
    Secession makes sense, it happens all over the globe, all the time.
    Spain has distinct languages and the Basque have always had issue. Valid, of course I’m part Basque so I’m partial. The Wallonians have always hated the flemish, Belgium may well may separate. Not all Italians are happy Garibaldi united Italy and it basically operates as 20 different regions. And, other than the Vatican there’s at least one city in Italy that operates with its own passport, rules, etc.
    Why shouldn’t certain states secede in America; there’s never really ever been that much solidarity over there. Just reading how Jim writes so negatively about large swathes of the country, you can sense how people feel about the other side. His opinion, fair enough but I remember when we used to argue toward the middle. Carson died and so did that sensibility and appreciation for moderates, those that vote on issues rather than political party. And wow, now America’s completely polarized, secession makes sense.
    I did feel a major change in 2001, that’s why I left but like Jim said, ‘smaller, etc’. But with more government clients and less control over the little one does own.

  28. newworld November 26, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Dear Jim here is some Monday morning comedy to cheer you up, because I know you love them some jeebus humpers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkPa8v5p5mY

  29. steve November 26, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Why do you care if Dixie secedes again and makes it stick this time? I should think you would be happy to see us go. The biggest mistake Dixie made was trying to replicate the industrial cesspool that is the Northeast and Midwest. Freeze in your splendid ice palaces and leave us alone in our warm Southern soil.

  30. Lost-in-North-Dakota November 26, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    I think that we’re screwed. Just pick your poison:
    Rampant obesity and the rapidly declining health of Americans
    Peak oil
    Peak phosphate/rare earths/etc.
    Medicare collapse (when every obese Boomer hits 65)
    Social Security collapse
    Weather-related disasters
    Fed printing money like no tomorrow
    Global food shortage (starting in a few months)
    Impending Mideast wars (already started)
    50% high school dropout rates in cities (social time bomb)
    Students going deep in debt for worthless degrees
    Eurozone collapse
    Corrupt and stupid federal government
    Little Debbie taking over Hostess
    I mean, we are really screwed.

  31. Desertrat November 26, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    What’s not mentioned in the “record” Black Friday sales is that prices are higher than last year. And, when you factor in a one-percent population growth since last year, the number in constant dollar terms doesn’t look all that wondrous.

  32. sooty November 26, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    All of our adjustments would be easier with a smaller population–at the very least, smaller than it’s projected to be during the greatest difficulties.
    The wonderful Population Media Center asks folks to sign this White House petition to limit US population (through immigration control, greater access to family planning, etc.). They need lots of signatures by mid-December. Very quick to register and sign–please pass it on!
    Thanks–
    The goal is 25,000 signatures prior to December 18th, which, if achieved would compel the administration to publicly respond to the fact that the United States is, ceteris paribus, projected to have a population of a half a billion people within the next fifty years.
    Clearly, there are far more than 25,000 in the U.S. who agree with the essence of the petition, the trick will be in finding them and making them aware of the effort.
    The first hurdle, as described by Mark, is to achieve 150 signatures, at which point the petition moves to “the publicized listing of petitions”, which will make it easier to recruit signatories.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/protect-our-future-setting-goal-stabilizing-us-population-or-below-one-third-billion-people/0PpFnvYd?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

  33. MisterbadExample November 26, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    My guess (and only a guess and possibly only applicable here in NYC) is that the Thursday/Friday crowds are desperate people trying to snatch up the loss leaders–the things sold under cost at Best Buy and KMart. Those are pretty much gone by Saturday–and so were the shoppers in large measure. We were welcomed like old family at a few small stores celebrating ‘shop local Saturday’, and I don’t think we spent much beyond the high two figures.
    I wonder if this is the year when shoppers stop pretending that next year will be better–that when the Visa and Discover card bills come in, dad will be back to fulltime status. Other clouds on the horizon: I have relatives waiting for FEMA loans who weren’t busting down any storefronts this year, ditto other family members sweating out the finality of whether the insurance Co will actually cover the hospital bills for my recently-passed sister in law. everyone dutifully pulled the lever for another four years of O, but nobody thinks things will get better–they’ll just be less bad.
    merry furkin’ Xmas.

  34. newworld November 26, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Well the Obama cult has driven up gun sales. Friday’s sales overwhelmed the FBI’s instant trace system several times during the day.
    Yes I recommend that good citizens go out and get a rifle and learn how to use it, you bad citizens just never mind.
    I suggest an AR-15 from a reputable company along with Magpul polymer magazines and several thousand rounds of ammo. Your search for info can start at westernrifleshooters

  35. mean dovey cooledge November 26, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Tre, so sorry about the loss of your pet. It hurts, and I hate that for you and your family.
    JHK said:
    Find a nice small town on a waterway surrounded by farmland and get ready to have a life.
    finally! yes, whatever comes, doesnt come, we have now and there are many beauties to behold and enjoy. I do see a wholesale rejection of the values of the last decades; people are waking up and growing up.
    Good advice for the youngsters today. I have considered starting an urban homesteader shop with chicken starter kits and low tech garden gizmos, seed banks and raised bed kits. and then I remembered that retail means not being at my own garden with my own animals. its a good idea for somebody though.
    A change is coming. Not (necessarily) for doomsday though. for a better way of being.

  36. ozone November 26, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “…So everyone enjoy the warm and fuzzy holiday season and dream of a less hassled life in the “world made by hand.” No one reading this will ever see that world but their children and grandchildren will. What you and I will see is the time “between now and then,” and it will be anything but something for which to be grateful.” -WD
    I tend to agree, but as you likely have noticed, JHK is an actual optimist (despite the maniacal protestations of some idiotic over-posters who won’t be happy til everyone else has been driven off by a flood of drivel and “stats”).
    The push-pull of the new “immigrants” in WMBH, is still in a context of a wandering group of “cultists” who’ve been driven from place to place by violence and threats thereof. It certainly doesn’t paint a picture of the FUSA as a place of peace and acceptance, it’s simply showing that some folks will survive, regardless of harsh circumstance.
    So yes, there will certainly be massive aggression by the disenfranchised and technological conservationists, but I feel that other paradigms will emerge [in parallel] in small, out-of-the-way pockets. Some will be scenes of future bloody disasters, some will meet with minor successes (steps toward resilience and survival).

  37. Concord November 26, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Masturbate much?

  38. 3rd Generation November 26, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    After touring various destinations in and around the San Francisco Bay Area last week (including a obligitary trip to America’s Best – Wal Mart)with relatives from The Netherlands, when asked to summarize what they had seen, the usually gracious, reserved and well-mannered responded simply:
    ‘there sure are a lot of stupid rude imbeciles in America and they appear to be generally ill-mannered and greedy cross-bred swine and even worse, have replicated themselves multiple times. I think I’ll have another drink and see if I can get on an earlier flight home”
    Bottom Line: “America is Doomed”. Football hadn’t started and the NACAR season is mercifully over (too bad not forever).
    Cheers, I couldn’t agree more.
    Looking forward to Armageddon with my Obama phone.

  39. Widespreadpanic7 November 26, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    “Forget about that shit.” JHK, on I Phones and Twittering.
    Blasphemy, Jim, blasphemy!!
    –WSP7

  40. ozone November 26, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    JHK sez:
    ” Globalism is withering and will end with a whimper (sorry, Tom Friedman). The economy of North America will become much more internally focused in the decades ahead.”
    I’ll begin to nourish a small nugget of hope for mankind when Tom Friedman is not only no longer listened to and PUBLISHED [fer gawdsake], but when he’s a forgotten stump in the fetid, sucking swamp of shilling and think-tankery. “Tom WHO?”

  41. anti soak November 26, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    NW, all demagogues are not black.
    Yes, that ninny is one. Who watches TV? Not me.
    Folks, check that link, its 28 seconds long but it tells quite a tale.

  42. Casual Observer November 26, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    That is a great question! I think it will be seriously problematic for industrialized societies from around 2025 onward. There seems to be a transition now underway. More people driving smaller cars, tons of mopeds out there on the roads like I’ve never seen before…folks seem to be scaling down their lifestyles, but are not really too conscious of the changes they’re making. My 2 cents.

  43. Widespreadpanic7 November 26, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Fat chance, OZ. The guy is everywhere, prognosticating about everything. He is the go to guy for CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN. There is not much Tom Friedman does not know.
    –WSP7

  44. anti soak November 26, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    JHK, hope you will offer more than a sentence about Spains possible break up.

  45. KT November 26, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    For a real feel for the buying spirit this holiday season, you should have gone to the stores in your area on Friday. I don’t blame you for not doing that. I avoided the stores that day — and the next. Also, many indoor malls are having a time of it because they aren’t trendy. It’s the outdoor malls (made to look like pretend towns) and the big box retailers where the action is happening.
    But these are minor points. I appreciate your helpful suggestions to the young. My discussions with many of them about you indicates that they would like more talk from you like that. (Maybe you can create a Long Emergency solution app. ;-))
    I think a lot of people have turned away from buying stuff and are now into buying experiences. What’s on my mind today are the mud races, the extreme obstacle courses that travel around the country and get people to shell out $50 or more to experience the thrill of a boot camp on steroids.
    I’m not sure what to make of these experiences. It seems like a search for something genuine, yet it is about as fake as one can get. How many of the people who enter these things (or who spend so much time keeping fit?) would turn their noses up at farm work or even at the long hours many moms spend daily washing, cleaning and doing other home chores? I’m afraid many of these people aren’t going to like the future.

  46. anti soak November 26, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Worlds is flat.
    Lexus and olive tree.
    That nitwit? See ‘Idiot Proof’ for counterpoint. Cheers.

  47. anti soak November 26, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    obligatory
    NASCAR

  48. sevenmmm November 26, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    A positive report! A nice surprise with good advice to boot. Good essay.

  49. RC November 26, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    “If you are young, think about getting into the boat business on the continent’s magnificent inland waterway system. There will be no more trucking to move stuff around, and at the rate we’re going the railroads will never be fixed.”
    Good idea but you might consider dealing in boats that have a 6 foot or less draft because due to the draught the mighty Mississippi is getting lower by the day!

  50. Treeman November 26, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    “If there will not always be oil, then when and at what date will oil not be available. If no such date can be given, the peak oil problem is revealed to not really be a problem, anymore than a certain rogue planet crashing into the Earth is a problem.
    This CFN blog is much more interesting when I take the time to post here because I post on a variety of subjects, usually with correct grammar, usually concise posts, and usually with intelligent content. Always provocative, it seems, though not intentionally so.”
    Don’t get out much do we Asoka,,.

  51. notaneoliberal November 26, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    So I’m driving down the highway. I look at the gas gauge and it is near empty. I think to myself, I can’t be sure what mile marker I will run out at, therefore- no problem. Brilliant huh.

  52. Concord November 26, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    “An unbroken horse erects his mane, paws the ground and starts back impetuously at the sight of the bridle; while one which is properly trained suffers patiently even whip and spur: so savage man will not bend his neck to the yoke to which civilised man submits without a murmur, but prefers the most turbulent state of liberty to the most peaceful slavery. We cannot therefore, from the servility of nations already enslaved, judge of the natural disposition of mankind for or against slavery; we should go by the prodigious efforts of every free people to save itself from oppression. I know that the former are for ever holding forth in praise of the tranquillity they enjoy in their chains, and that they call a state of wretched servitude a state of peace: miserrimam servitutem pacem appellant. But when I observe the latter sacrificing pleasure, peace, wealth, power and life itself to the preservation of that one treasure, which is so disdained by those who have lost it; when I see free-born animals dash their brains out against the bars of their cage, from an innate impatience of captivity; when I behold numbers of naked savages, that despise European pleasures, braving hunger, fire, the sword and death, to preserve nothing but their independence, I feel that it is not for slaves to argue about liberty.”
    ? Jean-Jacques Rousseau

  53. The Preservationist November 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    James, brilliant, as always, but today, moreso than most!
    “……most recently in Spain with separatists winning this week’s election in the northern province of Catalonia….” how ironic…….we can now call ourselves “CATATONIA…..”

  54. orbit7er November 26, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Hmmm last season was supposed to be setting records but once again you can lie with statistics. Here is an interesting analysis of last year’s sales:

    http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=17776

    http://econintersect.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/z-retail1.png

  55. EndofMore November 26, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    while one must agree on the notion that we must leave modernity behind, JHK blanks over the certainty that we will leave our health behind too.
    Make no mistake JHK fans, our industrial factory system has moved our life expectancy up from 50 (if you were lucky) to around 80. Medicare may be floundering, but your doctor would be no more effective than his 18th century counterpart if the pharmaceutical factories that back up his diagnosis with medication stop functioning
    and without energy input they will do exactly that
    Prior to industrialised oil driven medicines, 1 child in 5 died before the age of 5. There are those out there (as is obvious from comments in here) who think all you need to survive is a rifle, a few acres and to be left alone to get on with it.
    Our immune systems have been weakened because we haven’t been exposed to real disease for many generations, we have wiped out the weaker bacteria and allowed stronger ones to flourish.
    http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/?p=778
    follow the law of the frontier if you wish, but be prepared to watch your kids die from diptheria, or have surgery without aneasthetic, with nothing to fight off post op infection, because medication is one of the biggest energy consumers we have. Without energy you will have no medical care.
    When you visit your doctor, only to be told he only grows medicinal herbs now, the real meaning of our future will begin to sink in.

  56. Concord November 26, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    We could all chip in for a plexiotomy for him. You know, the surgical procedure in which a small square of flesh is removed from the belly and a sheet of plexiglass is installed so he can see where he is going with his head in the position you suggested.

  57. horseoutside November 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    57th!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. Treeman November 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    James, brilliant, as always, but today, moreso than most!
    “……most recently in Spain with separatists winning this week’s election in the northern province of Catalonia….” how ironic…….we can now call ourselves “CATATONIA…..”
    Good Welsh indie group Catatonia :-))
    The separatists didn’t get a big enough majority to call a referendum though so who knows how it will pan out!

  59. EndofMore November 26, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    plexiotomy i like
    no more than a pound of flesh mind

  60. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    Hard to believe, but the Elite know about the end of Consumerism – and they’re on top of it, fullying intending to stay on top as Society crumbles. Remember about Carbon Taxes and the Georgia Guidestones? Today’s youth are the most tribal ever? Absolutely, they all believe the same things, exactly what the Elite want them to believe. And yes smaller is better, conformity is too. And what could be smaller than having a chip in your hand instead of fumbling with ID and credit cards? And what could be cooler than having your Ipad inside your head someday?
    The first is feasible now and they are begining to market it. The second in the future but not out of sight…

  61. azgog November 26, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    What all the shoppers want are the items being sold below the cost of manufacturing and distribution, the “loss leaders”. Everything else – not so much. “Consumers” have a finely tuned sense of something for nothing, must be Hell to be a retailer thse days.
    Talked to my daughter about her BF paying $280 (plus 500 mile drive and hotel)for a football game watching ticket, inconceivable to me. She explained that yes its boring but its about the experience – hmmm.
    Whats really scary are all the people who can’t do simple arithmetic in their heads and who have outsourced all facts, calculations and mapping to their little gizmo. Woe on them when that goes dead, they will be like the masses of jellyfish now taking over the oceans.
    Meanwhile JHK and all us posters seem to have cacoethes scribendi. Maybe we have canis canem edit but rather than ceteris paribus it is now time for mutatis mutandis or there are going to be cadavera vero innumera. But since there is a corpus delicti and obviously corruptissima republica plurimae leges, we must carpe diem (and the noctum) and castigat ridendo mores or we will all be caput mortuum. In order to have crescente luce we must convince others that cuius hominis est errare, nulliius nisi inspientis in errore perseverare. Cuique suum and caveat emptor but always ask cui bono because the cras es noster!

  62. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Yes being content to live on the land used to be called “rural idiocy”. Most people want excitement, as in howya gonna keep em down on the farm after they seen Paree?
    The real farmers are those who consciously reject that. But you can’t do that until you’ve had it. Thus most will always be inauthentic even after the Fallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll…

  63. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    No, the Militia want to restart Civilization not a Word Made by Hand. The good guys want to restart America…!

  64. Piper Michael November 26, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Ah James,
    Cranky this morning? Back to the anti-technology bent?
    Well we agree on one side, that we need to return to understanding Mother Nature instead of conquering her, she’s pissed about it for sure, but that doesn’t mean we have to return to some dystopic nightmare, where life returns to it former ‘nasty, brutish and short’ paradigm. In this, we agreeably disagree.
    There are certain things about technology that are offensive, to be sure, but this was covered in the 1980’s, and we called it; The Trivialization of Technology. Putting all these resources to use at useless mind warping retreats from reality has surely created an Asimov’ish nightmare. But, its not technology that has warped our souls James. Its not technology that turned us into zombie overcoats on a vampire nation, no, it is the loss of vision and higher moral meaning. The loss of humanity is present because of something you could possibly never see, because, you are caught in the same trap as everyone else.
    You see, Ancient Rome created our situation a long time ago, by turning God into a MYSTERY, by the burnings and destruction of the philosophers. They set mankind back ten thousand years by the destruction of knowledge, and its replacement with a sad and fearful religion that is no better than the thing they rail against. They rail against ‘sin’, but at the same time sanction it, through the use of the mystery mechanism, you will be ‘saved’, if you simply pledge allegiance to Jesus. There is no God like this James, it is their arrogant fantasies of Paul that created a defective and divided Bible. It is an abomination that creates desolation in the true Temple of God James, our minds. It is what causes us to argue, divide and go to war in the ‘name of God’ in fulfillment of the Christs prophecy about the sword of division. Even their own Bible condemns them James, the book of Revelation is a condemnation ‘message to the churches’, and what does it condemn? MYSTERY, the name of the Mother of Harlots. But our poor protestants, condemn Rome, but use their book, sad it is, and pathetic, but they are victims sir, treat them as such.
    The other side of the coin is Godless science, what Einstein said had no soul, and that is true. For they are hell bent for leather to invent what they call a God particle. They’re 99% sure, but, it cannot be either, because their very thesis imposes the concept of randomness, and what do you see? Randomness cannot be, or else nothing would be. A million monkeys typing could never produce the biological program that is DNA James, there is your biggest clue to the Intelligent designer, His Grail and Knowledge of the Tree of Life, that is good and evil. And that is the proper direction, to bring forth a new Vision that is the oldest knowledge, and remove the concept of God from the religions of mystery, to the realm of science, God Science.
    The only way forward is knowledge that conquers the ‘mystery of God’, just like it says in Revelations. To bring forth a culture that has a unified vision, a new spirit, and understand that God is not some judgmental old man sitting in the clouds condemning humanity, but a hypercosmic force that makes everything operational. That in order to replenish the Earth, after the Dark time that comes, the only way forward is to take God away from the religions, and remove their monopoly, to take hope, fear and mystery, and turn it into certainty, love and unified purpose. The Purpose of defeating the rich and powerful, elimination of the profit based economic system and replace it with a stewardship economy, the purpose of rebuilding humanity into a truly civilized place, a place of something old and something new, something in the middle of left and right, where knowledge is used to salvage the old things, pound our swords into plowshares, and take our civilization to the next level of understanding, to the stars. None of this is possible, with the old paradigms of competition and evil exploitations of both left and right who are both beholden to the Rule of Gold. The love of money, truly is the Root of all evil James.
    This the Piper’s thesis of The Grail of Enoch, The Gnosis, food for a spiritual evolution now beginning. The People feel it, like a splinter in their minds, telling them all is not right with the world as the Dark energy wave approaches. But they have no way to turn, they only have the Mystery of God religions, or the Godless soulless sciences, the extremes of men. Thus the New Revelation comes, the Grail of God Science, the knowledge that overcomes the mysteries. That only when men know, for certain, what ‘God’ is, and how He works through the powers of the HyperUniverse, the Light and Dark primal energies, the Yin and Yang, that creates an electro-magnetic universe, in a sea of Universes, how He created it all, and that He wanted us to know. He gave it as a gift to Enoch, the Church burned it and the philosophers, and delivered us into the dark ages, from which, at a human level James, we are still in. Consider; The rampant superstitious in conflict with the rational minds, is the thesis of all your observations, unto the destruction of the civilizations it builds, even the Last Great Experiment, that also now falls on the altar of greed and envy.
    If all we had were words, we would be no better than any of them James. But we have the Gift of the God Calculus, a string theory of God, in a hyper-physics that overcomes mens laws and experimental results, with a peer challenge… and no one is interested in accepting the challenge, because they do not want to know. They love their mysteries James, and their godless science, because it keeps them ignorant of ‘what really is’, arguing over the shadows on the wall of our prison cave, while they are able to party on and screw their brother, sure in the superstition that God will not judge the ignorant. Thus comes the Light of Hyper-Spiritual Relativity and Universal Redemption in the Light of Love, in the very structure of the Quantum and the New Gnosis, proof that the Universe is constructed for the purpose of Joy, not debt slavery. A physics of God that conquers the physics of men, the completion of Einstein’s work, and that leads, we hope, to the completion of Tesla’s, that leads to a New Electrics of God. Its just time.
    Abandon the churches, abandon the politicians, abandon The System and starve The Beast, throw it all in the ditch of history and universal truth, that there is no universe of the Crime and Punishment of religions, or simply the Cause and Effect of the scientists, but the hyper cause and effect of the consequences of stupid and evil. Only after the green horse rides, can the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, the Head of Gold on the two legs of ideology, the rule of gold and the Phoenix that rises from its own ashes, be torn down by the power in the rocks, and we can then pound our swords into plowshares, not learn war anymore, and mount up to the heavens.
    Let him who has eyes to see, and ears to hear, hear the New Revelation of the spirit.
    The Piper plays a New Song (The Vision),
    So the Chorus may sing (Consensus and shared knowledge)
    that the People may dance (division of labor)
    and the forests will echo with laughter (in a new paradigm)
    http://pipermichael.wordpress.com

  65. insufferable November 26, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    I really don’t know if Jim is right about the phones and the young people. I don’t know if he is right about the state of the country based on upstate New York (which has been depressed since the 1960’s), and I don’t know if he is right about the state of the world.
    I know what is around my part of the world. Long Island is still reeling due to Hurricane Sandy. But the shoppers are still out there for Xmas and they don’t look like Zombies. They are spending money. The houses are being put together again with lots of money (and there seems to be plenty to go around especially with insurance) and then the gas lines got out of hand with odd/even days. But within 4-5 days it was back to business as usual.
    So I realize we all have our own realities, its just that I prefer mine.

  66. progress4spam November 26, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    Something else about those, “crazed mobs fighting over worthless plastic crap at the “Black Friday”….” events, JHK –
    Is that some unknown percentage of deeply discounted merchandise is being bought deliberately for resale on EEBay, or somewhere.
    Another poster, upthread, mentioned a WhiteHouse.gov petition for something sensible on reducing US immigration to a survivable level.
    I got a little bit fired up and created an account so I could sign that petition, which currently has 55 signatures.
    Then I found this petition, also on the OFFICIAL White House website:
    “We believe that the genetic engineering of cat girls could be potentially beneficial for the economy and an effective for use as domestic house servant. The money being used to fight the drug war is effectively pointless. We could be using this money to fund other much more important things such as the genetic engineering of cat girls for domestic use. The government could then sell these genetic household workers to boost the economy and try to further decrease the national debt. They could be used around the house so that the homeowners could pursue jobs to also boost the economy.”
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/transfer-funds-drug-war-fund-research-and-development-genetic-engineering-domestic-cat-girls/3V3hnsHx
    This stupid thing has 717 signatures, already.
    So we can forget about “the internet” saving humanity, apparently.
    That’s too bad, isn’t it?
    Because we’re running out of other options.

  67. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    True, but remember the Dutch are now a Nation of Faeries who let themselves be beaten up by little Muslim kids half their size. And if they fight back they will be imprisoned.

  68. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    He knows so much that isn’t true. So that’s your “metaphysic” or go to guy. I knew you had swallowed something bad someplace.
    Read the Prophecies – all the Merchants of the Earth will groan when the Great City burns crying “Oh who will buy my wares” (nothing about the dead and those lying in agony, but hey, that’s merchants for ya).
    And of course the U.S Fucking A Marines have to protect “our interests” everywhere they go. So the picture is complete. It’s not Fascism since Fascism means the Goverment regulates Industry. Rather it’s Plutocracy where Industry regulates Goverment. Amazing how many refuse to get that straight. They are clinging to names and forms – can’t give up their Anti-Nazi Fantasies about ultimate self righteousness.

  69. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Single Mothers. Heroic self sacraficing women betrayed by boyfriends and spurned by society? Or lazy schemers who don’t want to work but would rather exploit men and be coddled by Society?
    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/11/26/child-support-a-tax-to-encourage-single-motherhood/
    All the evidence shows that boys who grow up without fathers tend to become thugs. Girls who grown up without fathers become schemers and whores or sterile and afraid of men. In any case, this has tremendously accelerated the decline of our Civilization.

  70. Steve M. November 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    With the absence of reliable electricity to power the Internet as a distinct possibility down the road, Tina Brown sure picked the wrong time to make Newsweek a digital-only magazine. Fear, yea, the Daily Beast within. 😀

  71. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    One wonders how they will fudge these numbers. The roads and stores were empty in this area. The question was asked, has the long-awaited Rapture occurred? If only…..if only. What a Christmas gift that would be.
    Enough digression. There will be more fudging, and more fudging on top of the fudging until it’s all one big pile of fudge. Same goes with flying. Despite the stats, less are flying, but not necessarily less flights. Why? Why must the flights continue even though less are flying?
    In case no one has ever visited the following blog, the author, who has walked away from Empire presumably, is predicting there will be no “smaller” after collapse. In fact, he and his religious followers believe that after collapse, most, if not all, life on the planet will go extinct by 2050, and humans by 2030.
    http://guymcpherson.com/

  72. Smokyjoe November 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    “What you and I will see is the time “between now and then,” and it will be anything but something for which to be grateful.”
    I agree. JHK’s by-hand future seems appealing at many levels, though the Wayne Karps and “pickers” give a strong hint of what came “in between” and still exists outside the borders of Washington County, NY.
    Forming community NOW would be the only way to stave off a mob. I suspect we’d muddle through, with organization and ammo, but it would not be pretty or smooth.
    That said, I don’t think we’ll see a sudden interruption. More of a slow slide of making do or increasingly doing without. It’s why we see some uptick in shopping now. Folks who spent NOTHING last year find something to spend. So a 4+ % increase in sales should not surprise us, given that credit-card debt went down (and now is rising again). In other words, it’s the plastic, stupid.
    Perhaps a spark will bring on the hungry mobs. But I doubt we’d ever had “normality” one day and crazed mobs the next. That only happens in The Walking Dead and similar.

  73. mistified November 26, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    “This CFN blog is much more interesting when I take the time to post…”
    What a fucking tube-steak! Sod off, fuckwit.

  74. mistified November 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    Someone once said that the problem with declaring the end of the world is you only have one opportunity to get it right. Jim-boy has been predicting it for years now. The only problem is he keeps getting it wrong.
    I’m sorry the peak-oil thingy didn’t work out the way Mr. Hubbert predicted. His date for the peak came and went. With some of the enormous finds of late, the bell curve has shifted. Does this mean that peak oil will not eventually become a reality? Probably not. At some point we will extract the most we ever have and the downward slide will begin.
    For the time being, there is plenty of oil. Do you really think people are going to act differently because of a theoretical point in the future where oil will become dear? Not hardly. There will be absolutely nothing voluntary regarding our lessened standard of living. It will happen as it happens and we will recognize it in the same way in which Old Mother Hubbard did. We’ll go to the cupboard and it will be bare.

  75. mistified November 26, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    “…I would bet the best quality of life would come from cooperative communities, communes actually. But this time done right…”
    Its always going to be done right, “this time”. But it never is. It boils down to human nature, where Mr. Jones looks to his right and notices that Mr. Brown is leaning on his rake. At which point Mr. Jones declares, “Fuck this shit.” And then starts planning on acquiring his own private patch.

  76. jwhands4u November 26, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Well Jim another week has gone by(buy). Talk about breakdown of “acculturalized” communication. Last my beloved spouse and I spoke of what we’d like to find for our kids for the holidays… what do they need? What do they want? Two boys 13 and 17. So I mentioned during this process to my beloved about “No buy Friday” and that seemed to go ok… until the turkey had been cooked and the roads had been traveled on thursday and my beloved mentions that she would like to stop by a “goodwill” store on friday just to look and see if there would be any stocking stuffers… and I think to myself.. and then say to her, “What about “No Buy Friday?” And she responds- “Oh.. I thought you said, ‘snow by friday!’ (and of course we did receive snow on thursday!) “and I wasn’t sure what that had to do with getting some gifts for the kids.”
    Suffice it to say, even when you want to and think you’re doing the right thing, it may not matter at all; and for all that seems to go right, it may just actually only be a series of coincidences.
    Jim, I hope your Thanks(for)giving was as “forgiving” as mine!

  77. empirestatebuilding November 26, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    We got a little taste of the new normal a few weeks ago thanks to Super Storm Sandy. No gas, no lights, freezing in our homes. I’m going to hate the new normal. I like the old normal.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  78. Widespreadpanic7 November 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Vlad, what the hell are you talking about? I think Friedman is insufferable. Wasn’t that clear? “Methinks you doth protest too much”!
    –WSP7

  79. Edgewaters November 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Asoka, I think you don’t really comprehend what the problem is. Oil will probably always be available. It’s a question of how much will be available. If production slows while demand rises, we have a serious problem. It is not as if everything will be perfectly fine til the last drop – that isn’t how it works.
    Think of water. If all the freshwater starts drying up, but it still rains from time to time, we’ll still have water – but we won’t be able to use it for all the things we use it for now. Taking hot showers and doing the dishes in water would become a thing of the past, despite the fact *some* water remains.
    Can you comprehend now?

  80. AMR November 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    You’re absolutely right about the exploitation. I’ve lived it, doing unpaid farm work for relatives in Oregon who also string along whomever else they can as unpaid farm help. The most provocative part of it is that they’re so smug about it. They seem to see nothing shameful in their exploitation of unpaid labor, even though their Social Security pensions are saving their bacon, nor are they bashful about their manipulation of family and close friends into investing a total of several hundred thousand dollars in their farm, investments that are effectively worthless but impossible to value because there’s no market. A few years ago they needed another $50k in emergency funding to stave off foreclosure by a creditor-cum-investor who had reneged on an oral agreement to indefinitely defer payments on the secondary mortgage, whose note he held.
    The disingenuousness of back-to-the-land types can be epic. I heard a story even more egregious than what I’ve experienced and witnessed at the farm from a sometime colleague who was offered an unpaid job tending a formal garden for a wealthy hippie guru type near Port Angeles. This scumbag insisted that he was offering a really good deal because it included free rent on a caretaker’s cottage, but my colleague said that he estimated it was a 60-hour-a-week job with no real purpose besides stoking the employer’s ego.

  81. Dangerous Christian November 26, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    Just saw the video. For a whole lot of folk, Obama’s their “Jesus Christ”. Sad state of affairs. Thanks for sharing!

  82. anti soak November 26, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    Anyone who would name their son ‘Milton’!!!!

  83. a_human November 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    ‘Modernity Bites’ – the title is perfect – this reflects the experience of many working poor folk (like me) who struggle and stress and sometimes don’t even scrape by. modernity sucks us dry and spits us out – i often wonder that there is not more meth, lots more! hand people a lifetime of despair and they will do crazy things just to take a break from reality.
    i scrimped and saved and have a spot in the country, first because i know fossil fuels are not infinite, second because having a decent place to live when the grid fails and the reservoir dries up is the same sort of place that will be decent when i can’t pay for electricity or water – it is a place where a spat out person can be warm in the winter, drink cool water in the summer, and grow some good food. it is interesting to me that there is a convergence between necessity and desire for simpler living – is this a simple co-incidence? or something endemic to pre-collapse/collapse? maybe i just collapsed early 🙂

  84. Dangerous Christian November 26, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    I don’t know what’s going to happen, yet it’s gonna be real interesting when it does JHK.
    One mantra we better get into our heads quickly is, “only the strong survive”. Many of us are addicted to the tit of technology and instant anything. What’s going to happen when the gas runs low, things run slow, and no cheap electricity to go? I too was in NJ when Sandy struck and for 9 days I was without power. That and the long gas lines brought “World Made By Hand” sharply into memory. I asked on my blog what we would do if these inconveniences were permanent?
    Like I said, “interesting”. Keep up the good work!

  85. Monkeyboy November 26, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    “It’s all good”
    1997 called… they want their ‘hip’ terminology back.
    I have always resisted the urge to punch people who say “It’s all good.”, usually so I could avoid jail, I think I might just go for 90 days right now to cover me should we ever meet face to face.
    Congratulations…It’s not just anybody I would walk up to and beat on. You, W. Ronald Reagan, the first farmer, Marsal Marsau, Donnie and Marie… pretty exclusive company.
    Now, you didn’t start this wreck of “civilization”, nor did you start wars, wreck the economy for your buddies, I am fairly sure that you mime on a regular basis, and you might even get up on stage and pretend to be a little bit rock and roll.
    You are not a powerful idiot like Reagan…
    But saying “it’s all good” puts you in a separate yet totally annoying class of asshole…. like the Up With People “movement”… or Mormons on the doorstep (or the television)…or PANTOMIMES.

  86. Mark November 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    “Modernity has nearly put us out of business.”
    Sticking with Stein, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say
    “Modernity has nearly put itself out of business.”?
    Just finished Too Much Magic. As good as The Long Emergency (though not as scary since I was prepared by reading TLE).
    I’m constantly baffled by the head-in-the-sand approach to the future. On the other hand, I was encouraged to read an article in the Boston Globe today about a group worried about what would have happened to Boston if Sandy hit it instead of NYC. I wonder if there is enough cheap energy left for them to do anything about it?

  87. Radu Voda November 26, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    Oh sorry. I missed that but can you really blame me? You’re usually down with whatever the Neo Cons want to do – especialy if they’re Jewish. And Friedman is just presenting the Economic side of their philsophy.
    So let me get this straight: you’re for them militarily but against them economically? You want to separate the military/industrial complex into two components and jettison the latter? Ok, but America has never seen it that way. With that, you sound like mid 20th century European Fascism – the Nazis were all organic too you know.

  88. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    God as a splinter in my mind…hmmm
    How about a splinter in my day, a wart on the American political process, and a police roadblock to the scientific method.

  89. malthus November 26, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    Oh no what am I to do? What am I going to do with my 20 year old tin lizzy four wheel drive? I will have to walk through neighbor hoods where no one walks now and they hide behind their curtains shutting themselves off from those across the street. Never once sticking their heads out of their TV’s and other devices and dreaming of finally making it or planning to find those that have made it and making them pay for their transgressions and stuffing their pockets with bars of hidden gold and attempting to run for the border without everyone taking every thing they have hoarded for the big day when we all hit the wall. I told them yes I did. To damn many people, to many problems. I told them hundreds of years ago and did the rats listen? No not one. Growth was the mantra that was on every ones lips and still is. To bad. Tuff. Take that.

  90. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    “…the Nazis were all organic too you know.”
    And Christian…sort of.

  91. xport November 26, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    Hey Wardoc,
    You paint a bleak picture of the near future, I guess because you have seen a place like the Balkans come apart. Yet that place has been splinterd for centuries, long before America was a concecpt. It is an interesting exercise to imagine how the impending global collapse will evolve. Well, it has been a series of waves, generating more series of waves. I thought that the USA was on the verge of collapse back in 1968, yet it has hung on and gotten stonger in many ways. Thirty years from now we will still be talking about how soon it will all be over. You must understand that the Plutocrates still have plenty left to plunder, and untill every last drop can be extracted, the games will go on and on.

  92. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    Interesting that you think that America was on the verge of collapse in 1968. I think that 1967 was as close as the US ever got to throwing off the shackles of life in a grey flannel suit. 1968 was the year that the grey flannel suit re-asserted itself with a vengeance. I like to call it the Mayor Daley Smack Down.

  93. Glensufi November 26, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

    As you do I suspect JHK is wrong in his short term and perhaps long term predictions about the end of oil, etc but somehow it doesn’t console me much. Lots of other very big human assisted things out there to bite you. Take a look at Chasing Ice for starters.

  94. xport November 26, 2012 at 6:54 pm #

    You are correct sir, but the begining of the end was in 1963, in Dallas, America witnessed a firing squad liquidate the vision of a new kind of world.
    You saw how raw power and greed could kill the most powerful leader in cold blood in broad daylight and get away with it.

  95. xport November 26, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    We live in very interesting times. Think about your own good old days, and now flash forward: these are another generations soon to be “good old days”. It is all relative. We live in the eternal NOW. Life goes on, and when it ends, it is over for you, but just beginning for someone else. Take it easy and stop stessing out.

  96. xport November 26, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    There was quite a bit of blow back from the smack down in 68. I think the death knell of the era was in 69 with Woodstock, followed by Altemont, Charlie Manson, then Nixon and Kent State. Yet we overcame all that crap and got on to various side tracks. We can talk more about it.

  97. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    The various side tracks being Ronald Reagan and Madonna? We shall not speak of the 70’s. It’s too painful to re-live turning the hippie movement into a marketable commodity and watching it’s leaders evolve into the new oppressors or devolve into drug addled, middle-aged reprobates.

  98. xport November 26, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Yikes! Sorry to strike a nerve. The main stream was always on track, take the money and run. Actually Regan was the logical father to the first English settlers who came to america to DEVELOP this area.
    And develop they did. NOW we are stuck with the results, and it is still in the hands of the progeny who screwed it up in the first place.
    So how do we get ourselves out of this mess?

  99. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

    Just say “No”.

  100. Helix November 26, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    @asoka re “If there will not always be oil, then when and at what date will oil not be available. If no such date can be given, the peak oil problem is revealed to not really be a problem, anymore than a certain rogue planet crashing into the Earth is a problem.”
    I cannot agree with this logic. A rogue planet crashing into the Earth would be, practiaclly speaking, a random event. It may occur or not occur within any particular time frame. Peak oil will definitely occur at some point. While we might not be able to say precisely when, given that predicting the future is inherently risky, we have a pretty good idea of the likely time frame, and it’s almost certain to be in this century. Furthermore, we can say with certainty that is will definitely happen if civilization continues on its present course. The same cannot be said of a rogue planet striking the earth during any time frame meaningful to human beings alive today.

  101. xport November 26, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Before Howard Stern and his rise to fame, there was a shock jock from NYC named Bob Grant. He would come on the radio and rant and rave and curse everyone out. His main rant was that America was going “down the tubes”. I am not so sure what he meant by that, but he was flushing most of modern culture and everything that it meant along with it.
    My brother and I used to listen to this crap while we worked in the shop, just for entertainment, and we would riff on the crap that he was putting out.
    My brother was funny when he said: “you know, I have been down the tubes, and they are not so bad”.

  102. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    “Well I’ve been down so goddamn long, it looks like up to me.” – JM
    Seriously. I’m down to the last of my valuable possessions and the only reason that I drag them around is to sell them for camping equipment. We have lost the luxury of a flexible environment and the next few generations will struggle to adapt to radical biological changes rather than cause them. What a surprise it will be when Nature really goes on the offensive. Rope a dope.

  103. progress4spam November 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm #

    So yeah – SCOTUS and that darlin’ of the Right, Justice Roberts ruled that the Affordable Care Act was constitutional.
    Will they now give the Corporate Whores in the Republican Party a new lease on life by declaring that employer-provided birth control is subject to the “religious” whims of employers?
    Does the Republican Party, which should die for many reasons – including its NEW pandering to the Latino Vote over ILLEGAL immigration – get a Justice Roberts reprieve over this trivial issue that matters only to the Voting Christian Right. If so, the fix really is in, folks.
    “…challenging the constitutionality of the part of the law that mandates employers provide insurance and whether forcing insurers to pay for birth control is unconstitutional under the First Amendment’s free exercise of religion clause.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/26/supreme-court-orders-new-look-at-health-care-challenge/ A pox on them all.

  104. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    required reading for the misinformed and delusional.

  105. progress4spam November 26, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    what is?

  106. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    The fiscal cliff is the most amazing sham that was ever developed by a gang of tricksters to fool the public. LET US SCARE the shit out of the jerks, and take away all of their benefits.
    If Obama caves on this then all is lost.

  107. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Richard Farina, “Been down so long it looks like up to me” 0140189300

  108. azgog November 26, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    True. That was a military/industrial coup d’etat. Everything since then has existed in a shadowy world of half truths and outright deception. The American people were given the choice of the gold (cheap consumer goods) or the lead. So they shut up and pretended not to notice.
    Fast forward to the likes of Mitch McConnell et al pledging to make the POTUS fail, obstructing every initiative while claiming to represent the little people. What a bunch of ignorant arrogant gits.

  109. bproman November 26, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    If you missed your chance in line for a plastic item do not worry another round of programmed stupidity is being prepared for the next cycle. Hurry up and slow down.

  110. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    How can you complain when they have the power to eliminate you. Just suck it up and fall in line.

  111. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:56 pm #

    Rage against the dying of the light.

  112. xport November 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    Sorry, I meant to rage against the dieing of the tee shirt.

  113. Kyooshtik November 26, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    Plutocrates
    ===========
    Containers, usually made of wood, metal, or plastic, used to store or transport plutos.

  114. xport November 26, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    Well, I am a cabinet maker, so you got me there.
    Pluto is some kind of greek god, but the people that have us in a barrel are not gods, and have no right to the ownership that they claim.
    Do you teach English?

  115. xport November 26, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    Why are we so dumb. Pluto was not a god, he was a Disney Dog. Greece never produced a geek, and sometimes my creek seems to be greasey.

  116. Kyooshtik November 26, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    I have always resisted the urge to punch people who say “It’s all good.”
    Monkeyboy, next time you access this CFN Blog site take note of what is written on one of the rectangular posters to the right of Kunstler’s image.
    It’s not just anybody I would walk up to and beat on. You, W. Ronald Reagan, the first farmer, Marsal Marsau, Donnie and Marie
    That’s quite an eclectic bunch you’d like to punch out. BTW, the pantomimist name is spelled Marcel Marceau.

  117. xport November 26, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

    Well, since we are here and now, Mr. Kooshtik, which is hard to type out, by the way, what makes you the king of grammer, and spelling? Are you a PHD or some other kind of king of siam?

  118. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    What do we actually do with our time and effort?
    Rape and Murder?

  119. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    From Rickshaw to I-Phone and Back Again
    A good title for a new book.
    http://www.spiegel.de/pics/84/0,1020,1498984,00.jpg

  120. xport November 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    rape and murder will always be punished.
    Don’t go that way.
    We will not descend to be Huns.
    Look at the animals: they live in peace.
    They do not kill for joy or pleasure. They live in harmony and find a way to survive. We can do it if we follow the way of nature.

  121. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    How about “Chariots of the Sods”.

  122. Kyooshtik November 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    You, W. Ronald Reagan, the first farmer,…
    ===============
    I was unaware Reagan used a first initial before the name Ronald like, say, F. Scott Fitzgerald. What does it stand for, Wilson, William, Willard?
    Unless umm you were referring to Bush the younger but forgot the comma.

  123. Pucker November 26, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    JHK wrote: “If you are young, think about getting into the boat business on the continent’s magnificent inland waterway system….Find a nice small town on a waterway surrounded by farmland and get ready to have a life.”
    America’s young may not have been taught to think in this way? All they may know is iPads, iPhones, M.A. degrees is Gender Studies, internet hooking up, etc.

  124. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    Love it!! Now all we need is a theme song for the book turned into a movie.
    Who will play the leading role? Ben Stiller? I’m smelling Big Money here!

  125. Pucker November 26, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    It appears that the ethical standards in society are rather low now. A more rural, rustic lifestyle would require a much more humble personality than the typical personality of young people today. A snake oil salesman personality suitable for life in a scam, casino finance economy will probably not want to settle down to grow beans and squash and raise chickens and hogs? But such a lifestyle sounds good to me….

  126. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    The W stands for Wyman. His parents were prescient.

  127. Pucker November 26, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    Don’t you think that it’s a bit weird that there are a lot of fake job advertisements posted these days by employers and employment agencies?
    In the middle of a depression with simple working people desperate for jobs, they’re actually posting fake job ads.

  128. xport November 26, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Do not sell your self short. If you have a good life and are happy and satisfied, you are a winner in this society.
    Most stock brokers and bankers are pigs, so if you raise pigs to be cut into ham then you are a winner.

  129. Crazy Horse November 26, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    Hi Dirk,
    Send us a photo of yourself dressed in fowl weather gear. Should be interesting with all the feathers.
    Best years of my life were when I lived on my sailboat. If you are out in the Bahamas you might enjoy Alice Town on Eleuthera. Perfect protected harbor, laid back, no hotels or tourists.

  130. Pucker November 26, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    Fake job ads in the middle of a depression—that’s like serving up a rubber turkey for Thanksgiving at a homeless shelter….

  131. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    Seen written on the wall of the restroom, next to the condom dispenser, in a Chevron station in Louisville, KY:
    “Hey, this chewing gum tastes like rubber.”

  132. Collapse Watch November 26, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    Even the legitimate jobs…the things they make applicants do! It’s the equivalent of crawling around the room with an apple stuffed in their mouth and a corn cob stuffed in their ass whilst their genitalia are smacked repeatedly with a bolo bat. But still, they line up to lick the boss’s balls.

  133. progress4spam November 26, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    –that’s like serving up a rubber turkey for Thanksgiving at a homeless shelter….
    …And that’s like bringing in millions of immigrants into a country with a jobs shortage….
    hey… Wait a minute…

  134. xhalor November 26, 2012 at 10:53 pm #

    I just left LA about two weeks ago and I can tell you that while the Central and South Americans are still coming, they are not pouring in like they were. Many are voluntarily seeking ways to return home. The jobs just aren’t there anymore.

  135. Pucker November 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    Believe it or not, there are some business people in California who are trying to use business investment financing from foreigners to set up nude strip clubs. The foreign investors get Green Cards in exchange for creating “jobs” for American women to dance as strippers and do couch dances.
    This is a true story. I’m not kidding.

  136. Donny-Don November 27, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    “National chain retail will be dying as its economies-of-scale vanish. WalMart and everything like it will be gone.”
    JHK, I hope you are right, but my rational mind says “why the hell would economies of scale suddenly vanish”?
    JHK, I distinctly recall that circa 2008, as the U.S. economy was imploding, you predicted that implosion would be the demise of Wal-Mart. Instead, Wal-Mart has bounced back stronger than ever, pulling in higher profits.
    Economies of scale vanish? Au contraire: it seems to me that as energy grows more expensive, mega-corporations like Wal-Mart who can take advantage of large shipments, massive storage and infrastructure, and mass marketing will gain yet MORE advantage over Mom-and-Pop operations selling essentially the same products. Why wouldn’t this be the case??
    JHK, you’re a great writer, but you don’t understand shit about macroeconomics. By studiously ignoring your predictions for the last five years (e.g., your perennial Dow 4,500 prediction), I’ve made VERY good money with my investments, and am on the road to early retirement. No secret strategy there, just an application of the simply Warren Buffet rule: be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful.

  137. Donny-Don November 27, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    Asoka,
    I often admire your against-the-prevailing-winds posts, and often agree with them, but I have to tell you you don’t understand “peak oil”.
    Peak oil is not “running out of oil”. There will ALWAYS be more oil available, at the right price.
    Peak oil means that global demand rises faster than supply can keep up. Which of course means that oil prices rise substantially faster than inflation … modestly, at first (as has been the case over the last 10 years or so), and then much more rapidly (as I predict will be the case over the next 20 years … with a possible lull for the next couple of years, as the fracking bonanza plays itself out, and before we get back to regular trends again).
    Just sayin’

  138. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    I believe that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s birthday is coming up (January 9th)?
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A new satellite image shows a marked increase in activity at a North Korean missile launch site, pointing to a possible long-range ballistic missile test by Pyongyang in the next three weeks, according to satellite operator DigitalGlobe Inc.

  139. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 1:33 am #

    I tend to agree with DD, at least in the medium term: One would think that businesses selling to poor people will prosper since there will be more and more poor people. Unless, of course, the poor become so poor that they can’t afford to buy anything such that there’s demand destruction.

  140. dolphinlday November 27, 2012 at 1:36 am #

    Donny-Don, I agree with you on your comment to Asoka. I have also read that “Peak Oil” could also be referred to as “Peak Production”, especially since there are only so many oil rigs, engineers are retiring, the capital to be invested into these types of projects (ie. fixing infrastructure, etc. etc.) has evaporated. Global Peak Oil Discovery was in 1963, we keep discovering less and less and less each year. It has to be discovered FIRST before permits, building, production, and distribution can happen at all. Besides that, when I first read about “Export Land Models” that made me even more concerned about the speed and how soon we start sliding down even more down the ever so slippery slope of Hubbert’s Curve. Right now, we’re on the bumpy plateau.

  141. Mike Moskos November 27, 2012 at 3:07 am #

    Above, Asoka reported, “The National Retail Federation, an industry trade group, estimates that overall sales in November and December will rise 4.1 percent this year to $586.1 billion.” He then went on to question how this be, since the plastic is all maxed out, there’s unemployment, etc.
    Here’s the answer: shadowstats.com reports the Fed-created inflation is running around 5%. So, if sales only rise 4.1%, then sales were actually 0.9% less than the real before. It’s the only Fed-created inflation that makes you think this year is better than the last. (note: all the numbers are somewhat imprecise, but you get the idea.)

  142. Mike Moskos November 27, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    Wanted to add something off topic. Someone posted this Kissinger quote to Facebook, my comment follows.
    “Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.”
    -Henry Kissinger
    And now you understand US agricultural subsidies, the involvement in oil-rich countries, and the military might ensuring Federal Reserve notes remain the world’s reserve currency. Gotta give it to Henry for being direct.

  143. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 7:39 am #

    North Korea is a canard. Irrelevant. A non-existent threat made to look like a threat. An easy flog when you want to distract the dolts from the elephant in the room.

  144. asoka.. November 27, 2012 at 7:44 am #

    For those who are new here: Asoka,, is an imposter who takes my posts (Asoka..), modifies them, and posts as me.
    There is another Asoka who posts as asoka_
    The suffix distinguishes the three of us.
    This is my first post this week. All the others were by Asoka,,
    I am Asoka.. (Suffix: Period period)
    And imitation is a form of flattery.

  145. Widespreadpanic7 November 27, 2012 at 8:04 am #

    “… Latin Americans are still coming in, but not like they used to. The jobs are just not there”. –Xhalor
    Xhalor, you’re a sharp guy, and I enjoy your gritty, hard edged posts, but the main job these people do is not landscaping, roofing, gardening, picking crops, etc. No, it is to vote for Democratic Politicians, and to buck up the Foodstamp, AFDC and Section 8 rolls, giving the always growing army of administrators of these programs something to do. Looked at that way there is work here for all Latin America, maybe 700 million human beings, in El Norte, The United States.
    –WSP7

  146. Widespreadpanic7 November 27, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    Looks like it might be the end of the road for King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia, He is, after all, 89 years old. Jim suggets in TLE that the House of Saud would not last forever and we might not like what comes after. And this was written years before The Arab Spring. Looks what happened in Egypt. So of late we’ve been hearing how we are on the cusp of ‘Energy Independence’, that we will no longer need to import petroleum from places like Saudi Arabia. We might be putting that theory to the test sooner rather than later.
    –WSP7

  147. John D. Wheeler November 27, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    I did spend quite a bit of money this past weekend, mainly buying woodworking tools for my new collapse-friendly vocation.

  148. ozone November 27, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Fiscal Cliff: A hologramic app, tailor-made for the dull-eyed and slack-jawed (IOW, The ‘Murkin Peephole). Sometimes, in order to figure what in the Blue Hell is going on, we’ve gotta shut off the moving images of talking heads, whose real job is to tell us what to think.
    Here’s a site that contains further links to articles outlining the Orwellian twistings of this monstrous “taking”:
    http://oldhickorysweblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/jamie-galbraith-on-fiscal-cliff-scam-as.html
    “If Obama caves on this then all is lost.” -XP
    I’m of the opinion he was re-hired to implement the “reforms” to S.S. and Medicare and funnel more gum’mint monies into the vast vaults of the obscenely wealthy. …And that’s just job #1.
    No “caving” involved; how it’s made to look like reasonable compromise, skillful wrangling/arm-twisting and thoughtful acquiescence [when it’s not any of these] will be the most interesting part. This WILL get done; baked into the re-election pie, friends and neighbors.

  149. trippticket November 27, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    For Ixnei, from last week.
    Ix, the best advice I can give on the subject of soil prep/disturbance is to watch Emilia Hazelip’s videos, listed in the right-hand column of my blog:
    http://www.smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Also read the Lowenfels and Lewis book, “Teaming With Microbes.” I woke up thinking about that book this morning, so thanks for asking a question that directs us there! Not to be missed for anyone who wants to kick ass in the organic garden/orchard.
    In a nutshell, my tactics are to dig up the soil into raised mounds, on water-harvesting contour, spread compost around the transplants you insert into the mound, and mulch heavily. Except for direct-seeding and finishing alliums, this mulch covering should be permanent. All plant material should be cut off at ground level when it’s spent, and composted in place. Repeat cycle ad infinitum, with the understanding that plants, in an ecologically-appropriate production scheme, are HELPING build rich soil, not sucking it dry.
    I’m actually about to write a quick blog post on the subject, so I’ll drop that link off here when I’m done.
    I love rainy days…they are both paydays and vacation days.
    Cheers.

  150. ozone November 27, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    As WSP can tell you as well: An excellent investment. Good tools help to make well-constructed innovations and necessities.

  151. ozone November 27, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Thanks, Tripp. I will watch the vids.
    Re-reading “Teaming with Microbes”. I’d recommend this book for anyone with a curiosity about the world around them. I believe “fascinating” is the appropriate word! Layers upon layers upon intertwinings… then there’s the intertwined layers to consider. ;o)

  152. progress4spam November 27, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Thanks to sooty, for posting this petition information.
    Yesterday, it had 50 signatures.
    Today it has more than 100.
    Here is the text of the petition:
    “Demographers expect the U.S.population to approach one-half billion people within fifty years. These forecasts are based on current immigration and women’s-health-care policies and practices. Unlike the rest of the developed world, which has largely settled into slowing population growth, in the last two decades the U.S. has seen an unprecedented resurgence in population growth, adding 60 million between 1990 and 2010. The growth we have already undergone, however, pales in comparison to the growth expected in the next five decades. I believe that Americans can solve any problem about which they can come to a consensus, but I also believe that most of our problems will be much harder to solve with a population of half-a-billion than one which is not much bigger than our population today.”
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/protect-our-future-setting-goal-stabilizing-us-population-or-below-one-third-billion-people/0PpFnvYd?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
    It’s easy to sign. Do it!
    Can’t hurt. Might help!
    Thanks to sooty.

  153. Treeman November 27, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Have you read” the biochar solution.” The method outlined of steeping charcoal in a compost tea works really well. We use sheep manure in the tea. Being Wales we have lots of sheep (I mean LOTS) so it is an easily available resource . Its effect on growth is amazing. We also use Sepp Holzers hugelkulture method of burying wood in trenches. We do it slightly differently as we use mushroom logs that have finished producing.

  154. debt November 27, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    “Want some whiskey in your water, or sheep manure in your tea?
    Whats all these crazy questions you’re askin’ me?”
    I knew you Brits were big on tea, but sheep manure??

  155. debt November 27, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    I don’t think it’s imitation, Soak. Nor flattery.
    “It is the unfortunate fate of the ridiculous to be ridiculed.” JHKunstler

  156. anti soak November 27, 2012 at 11:26 am #

    The news is in, at Huff Post and NY Times. No surprise in it.
    I WONDER IF ANDREA MITCHELL [JEWISH, AND MARRIED TO ALAN GREENSPAN] WILL SAY ‘IOWA IS TOO WHITE’?
    Highest HS Graduation Rate: Iowa
    Lowest: Georgia!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  157. Treeman November 27, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    It’s a fertiliser not the drinkable sort. Drinking tea is a serious business. Give us Brits the 4 minute warning and half of us will put the kettle on.

  158. trippticket November 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Howdy, Ozone! Thanks for the laugh. I’ve been considering a re-read of “Teaming” myself. Thanks for the plug.
    Did you fare alright from Sandy? Hit me back on email; not sure when I’ll be on the intertubes again. Peace, brother.

  159. trippticket November 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    I haven’t read the Biochar Solution, but I use charcoal in my gardens regularly. Rabbit tea here as we have no sheep! Doesn’t taste as mutton-y;) Sounds like you got it going on over there…

  160. trippticket November 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Here’s a look at a couple of the subjects that some of the more effective organic gardeners ’round here utilize to make the greenhorns look bad;). It’s a post at my blog called “Think Like a Watershed,” and I think it’s a good ‘un.
    Hope you enjoy!
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Cheers.

  161. Rhino November 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    “Your premise seems to be I am an uneducated America hater who has not lived for extended periods outside the USA, nor in the third world (not Mexico). I reject your premise. ” – assoka
    You can reject it all you like. I can only judge by your posts.
    And judging by your posts, if you had indeed lived outside the USA for any period at all you must have done with your eyes shut and your ears covered.
    “Your fascination with violence seems morbid to me. ” – Assoka
    Yet you regularly cough up lists of places and dates where violence was inflicted by the USA. And all without discussion of context or discussion of circumstance. And always with the conclusion that the USA is the evil villain. Now THAT is morbid and pathological. And absurd. Void of reason. And you never mention violence perpetrated by other countries.
    “You are stuck on mid-twentieth century western European violence, although there has not been a western European war for 68 years.” – Assoka
    This is a joke. You’ve obviously forgotten or, more likely, are too young to remember the Balkan Wars of the 1990s. So go make that assertion to someone who was living in Sarajevo back then. Or to Bosnian women beset by Serbian soldiers.
    And you’ve forgotten that Europe of the post WW2 era was an armed camp where for more than four decades nuclear armed, mechanized armies faced one another. You weren’t alive back then and so have no appreciation of the times. Peace you say? Some peace that was. The peace of the barbed wire fence, the concrete wall, the machine gun tower, massed tanks and automatic rifles. Do you remember air raid drills? Do you remember being told do not look at the sky? Of course you don’t. And you seem to have forgot other places where war WAS waged. Europe wasn’t the only game in town.
    “Nuclear weapons are inherently immoral because they cannot discriminate between combatants and civilians and nuclear weapons affect subsequent generations with horrible birth defects and genetic mutations.” – assoka
    One despairs. What the fuck do they teach in schools nowadays? CANNOT discriminate? So what? War has never discriminated between combattants and civilians even in the days of swords and spears when the first to suffer was the peasant who saw his livestock and produce stolen by marauding armies, his wife and daughters raped and/or abducted and his humble thatch go up in flames.
    Yes, horrible birth defects. No one disputes nukes are horrible things. They are evil and immoral. But there are other things besides nukes in this world that are evil and immoral that people might judge even worse than nukes. Like what? For one, a re-armed, re-militarized, re-built, resurgent Japan ready to go again on a killing rampage just like Germany in the 1930s. Maybe with millions more dead, societies jolted off their foundations, entire generations in despair.
    So actual people in the real world may not have choices that include good options or the expectation of ideal outcomes. Rather there’s the miserably bad and the immeasurably worse.
    War is shit as anyone who’s been in one will tell you. But still you ignore the one important fact. The first nuke was dropped August 6, 1945, the second on August 9, 1945. Japan capitulated on August 15, 1945. Nine days. Surely the end of the war was a good thing. THAT was the case for dropping the nukes. Unless, a quick end to the war wasn’t to your personal taste. Would you have wanted Japan to carry on the fight? Maybe see them kill millions more?
    So, you don’t like that Harry Houdini gave the order? Well, there were others that didn’t either. The difference between you and those others was that they gave reasoned opinions based on analysis of facts and circumstances of the times as they saw it. They, by and large, were well meaning people who had honest differences of opinion, not grounded in hate and malice for their own country and their own people.
    You seem to assume that I would have done the same as Harry and given the order to drop the nukes. Whereas what I’ve said many times is that I’m not going to judge him harshly for doing what he did, that he was faced with a situation that people not in his shoes or in the shoes of servicemen of the times can scarcely imagine.
    You can make a case for dropping the nukes, which I’ve done repeatedly in Harry’s defence and in response to your inadequately argued or nonsensical assertions. Or you can make a case for NOT dropping the nukes. The leaders of the times were faced with a range of unpalatable options. As many see it, the costs would have been monumental no matter the course of action especially for the Japanese civilian and the outcomes highly uncertain.
    We’re sitting here with the comfy, cosy perspective of people for whom that history has already been written. But Harry and his colleagues didn’t have that luxury. Any child that’s read the How and Why Wonder Book of World War Two would understand this. But I read your posts and I see no evidence of it. Pathetic.
    The realm of the lofty academic is to theorize. Pacifism is wonderful. Non -violence may work in some cases. But most people didn’t or don’t live in tenured bliss on continents with oceans on either side. Did non-violence work for the Jews? They went quietly and non-violently to their deaths. Six million of them. Worked out well didn’t it?
    And so again I have to wonder what the educational theoreticians have wrought. So much money spent and to what end? So many empty heads.

  162. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    “If no such date can be given, the peak oil problem is revealed to not really be a problem, anymore than a certain rogue planet crashing into the Earth is a problem.”
    This is a bizaare logical fallacy. Simply because an exact date cannot be given for some event doesn’t imply that it is a remote possibility. It just means that all the variables are not fully understood. In the case of oil, in which the total recoverable amount of the resource has large uncertainties on it based upon a multitude of factors, it is unlikely that there ever will be perfectly accurate predictions. These events will only be identified after the fact. The actual situation is much more like human mortality, in which sometime in the future, you will definitely kick the bucket. Simply because someone cannot put an exact date on this event does NOT imply that it is some kind of remote or hypothetical possibility. It is a certainty. All that remains in question is the exact timing.
    Anyways, happy Monday, soka. Hope you had a good Turkey Day.

  163. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    As an unabashed supporter of unfettered Capitalism, I must say, this video warmed the cockles of my heart. ;o)
    http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/23/a-glimpse-of-the-apocalypse-walmart-customers-fight-over-phones-on-black-friday/

  164. lsjogren November 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Is that the real asoka who made that comment?
    I always thought of asoka as a level headed and civil guy for someone left of center.
    This asoka,, guy appears to be more of a cornucopianist. His lame brained comment about peak oil certainly didn’t sound like something the real asoka would have said.

  165. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    I would not say that there is plenty of oil. It is probably true that current daily production can be maintained for some time or even increased slightly. But this isn’t enough. The developing countries like China and India are going to demand more oil than can be supplied. This is likely to create global conflict and cause the price to continue rising. Even from a modest consumption standard, most of Africa, much of Asia, and a lot of South America do not have access to anywhere near the level of energy per capita used by Europeans, Americans and Canadians, or the Japanese. This is the underlying dynamic that will drive the oil game going forward, not simply maintaining current production levels, but the already vast disparity between the petroleum haves and have nots. Just because Americans have enough oil to satiate their daily demand doesn’t mean this is some kind of solved problem, in the short term. It isn’t.

  166. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    “they all believe the same things”
    This is a rather presumptuous and stupid generalization, even for you.

  167. Piper Michael November 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    XHALOR,
    I guess you didn’t read? I am as opposed to the ‘religions of MYSTERY’ as you.
    You do not read, you react, read first, then respond. The Pipers Unified Field is not about religion vs science, it is about the Nexus.
    But you are still stuck in your own mystery, the mysterious god(less) particle of the Godless scientists.
    I suggest you read the site, and ask questions, and the discourse will lead you to the truth that lies in the Nexus of the Unified Field. For it is only by achieving a new song of reality, can we conquer the dystopia of the pessimists. We are men, not sheep, although there are still too many sheep.
    May the Force be with you.

  168. High & Dry in New Mexico November 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    It definitely does feel like the whole Black Friday madness made more people disgusted than joyous. Even my conservative family members grimaced at the thought of knives and guns being pulled while two-year olds were left behind in the frenzy of cheap flat screens. The great show is winding down but my guess is that it will lurch, sputter, and snort for a number of years.

  169. Piper Michael November 27, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    As we rush headlong into increasing ‘production’, the only thought given to the future generations is; ‘Somebody will think of something’. Really?
    This materialistic culture needs to DIE.
    The economic paradigms of Guilt vs Envy, need to DIE.
    And, they are… they will… they must.
    Hang on to the status quo, at your peril.
    James is right on that account, but, the results of it and the response to it, are in doubt.

  170. eud2e5s7 November 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

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  171. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    “Globalization is good for developing countries but lousy for the nation state.”
    This is vastly over-simplified, and it also contains a strange, incorrect assertion. In other words, developing countries are nations too, so your statement does not make a lot of sense.
    Trading of goods between different geographic areas has occurred since ancient times. Global trade is not going away. Because certains areas are more, uh, well endowed than others when it comes to resources. This system is not simply going to collapse in a heap because the world starts to run out of some single resource.
    As far as the benefits of globalization, countries such as the US benefit from this system by access to super cheap goods made in poorer countries. For instance, low-end clothes are probably just as cheap now in real dollar terms as they were in the 1970’s, not even counting inflation. That’s because they are mostly produced in ultra low wage countries like China. There are also a lot of “command and control” jobs that are still usually based in the richer (1st world, OECD, whatever) countries.
    Globalization definitely is not good for those “low skilled” US laborers who used to pull a decent salary manufacturing goods domestically. Most of these jobs have either been automated out of existence or shipped overseas where the labor is far cheaper. I seriously doubt this situation is going to change anytime soon, regardless of the oil supply situation.
    Black and white statements like the one of yours that I quoted are rarely anywhere close to the truth of the matter when it comes to these kinds of complex topics.

  172. Widespreadpanic7 November 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Anybody watching Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the United States? Apparently anything that has gone wrong in the World since 1776 is the fault of the US, nowhere else. His big hero seems to be Henry Wallace, Roosevelts 3rd term VP. No surprise, Wallace was a commy sympathizer. Funny, Stone fails to mention Wallace’s month-long visit to the Soviet Death Camp at Kolyma, in August 1944, where as many as 1 million human beings perished, pronouncing it “A pretty good place.” He also doesn’t mention Wallace’s attempt to get the Soviet NKVD to fund his Presidential Campaign in 1948. The whole program seems to be like something you would read in Pravda c.1952. What a clown this guy is, a mendacious clown at that.
    –WSP7

  173. eud2e5s7 November 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Der nach seinem schweren Sturz auf der sechsten Etappe der 75. Tour de Suisse notoperierte Kolumbianer Juan Mauricio Soler befindet sich offenbar auf dem Weg der Besserung. ?Heute gibt es gute Nachrichten“, sagte Movistar-Teamarzt Alfredo Zu?iga am Freitag. ?Das Hirn?dem, das uns die gr??ten Sorgen bereitete, hat sich leicht verbessert.“

    Der 28 Jahre alte Movistar-Fahrer hatte am Donnerstag nach einem Zusammensto? mit einem Zuschauer bei Kilometer 33 eine Sch?delfraktur erlitten, die eine Blutung im Gehirn zur Folge hatte. Soler war nach dem Unfall bewusstlos auf der Strecke liegen geblieben und zun?chst per Helikopter auf die Intensivstation gebracht worden, wo er operiert und ins künstliche Koma versetzt wurde.

    Nach Teamangaben zog er sich zudem einen Kn?chelbruch sowie diverse Prellungen und Brüche zu. Der Zuschauer hatte bei dem Zwischenfall auf dem 157,7 Kilometer langen Teilstück von Tobel-T?gerschen nach Triesenberg-Malbun hingegen nur leichte Verletzungen erlitten.

    Soler, der weiterhin auf der Intensivstation des Krankenhauses in St. Gallen liegt, hatte am Pfingstsonntag die 2. Etappe der Schweiz-Rundfahrt gewonnen und für 24 Stunden das ?Goldene Trikot“ des Gesamtführenden übernommen. Zum Zeitpunkt seines Sturzes belegte er mit 54 Sekunden Rückstand auf Damiano Cunego (Lampre) den zweiten Platz im Gesamtklassement.

  174. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    “The economic paradigms of Guilt vs Envy”
    Say what?

  175. scrubby November 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    “A certain moron-inflected cohort”? Jim, I love ya, but I often get bugged by your biases and presumptions. How do you know that the secessionist movement has anything to do with the Dixie mentality you continually poke fun at? There are now secession petitions from all 50 states. Thoughtful people are waking up to the fact that we don’t need Washington and that, indeed, it is the cause of much of the economic misery you describe. And why do you think TV has anything to do with it? TV is programmed to keep us compliant and complacent.

  176. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    I don’t envision this World Made by Hand scenario. Human civilization will continue to evolve, and technology will not simply disappear. I see something more like what is sometimes called Cyberpunk in Sci Fi writing. The power of the nation state will continue to fade, and large corporations are likely going to become even more ascendant, perhaps even more dominant that they already are in terms of economics and politics. The current social divisions between (roughly) the powerful global elite, the affluent middle class, and the dirt poor will be further increased. Likely the ranks of the destitute will grow as resources grow scarcer. Competition between people and their various political groups over remaining energy resources will grow ever more intense, though this is likely to manifest as economic warfare and smaller resource wars. I believe this is be the case because the earlier paradigm of scorched earth (think WWII) does not work if what you actually want to do is seize and use another group’s energy infrastructure. The Middle East and surrounding areas are going to be even more important. I’m following Bzig’s book The Grand Chessboard on this.
    I see alternative, sustainable energy becoming more valid and economically viable as the political and environmental difficulties of carbon sources become ever more apparent and unignorable. Large scale solar and wind are likely to play a big role here, and they already do in some of the more advanced European countries. Are these likely to save our bacon entirely? Probably not, but I think we’re likely to try and lean on them extensively and the extract and burn paradigm becomes ever more dangerous and untenable.
    The poor are probably not likely to return to the land in great numbers as envisioned in the TWMBH. Judging by current dynamics, I would say large urban slums are the more likely scenario, where billions of people will just barely get by. The countryside is mostly already bought up by wealthy landowners and agri-business interests, who will not take kindly to a massive “back to the land” movement. Likely they will protect their interests with force, as is already the case in countries like Brazil.
    The environmemental situation is likely to keep deteriorating. The ocean, already over-fished, is likely to become a vast dead zone, and probably our greatest environmental tragedy, as we drive species to exstinction in the name of sushi and Filley O Fish. Climate Change, whether denied or not by the ostriches, will become an undeniable fact of life, and if the current world experts are to be believed, we have already hit the point of no return. Vast dislocations and disasters are likely to befall many billions of people as oceanic storm intensity and frequency increases and (possibly) sea levels rise.
    Within this matrix of disaster for the majority of the world’s population, there will be a small group of thousands comprising the global plutocracy, and this division will become even more stark than now. Because these will generally be the ones who can use their vast money and power to avoid the consequences of humanity’s actions. And they will be resented for it.
    So, no, I don’t see much of anyone returning to the lifestyle of 1853. That doesn’t seem to be in the cards, as far as I can tell.

  177. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    This is a bizaare logical fallacy…..Anyways, happy Monday, soka.
    ==============
    bizarre
    Today is Tuesday.

  178. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Ha, good corrections, Q. What would we do without you? We would be lost in a sea of uncorrected grammatical and spelling mistakes. Like I said a few weeks back, if I even write a book, you can be the editor.

  179. anti soak November 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    You are giving yr knowledge away. You might want to sell it.
    You work hard for the honey.

  180. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    So the Southern states, currently net receivers of federal tax dollars, who benefit hugely from the country’s vast yearly investments in “defense spending”, are going to secede because they don’t need Washington?
    Suuuure they will.
    What’s actually broken about the US is that we don’t really need all the different states. The differences in their policies only create friction and inefficiency where a federal role would be more appropriate. They are largely anachronisms. Unlike you, I see that there is actually very little difference between the regions of the country in terms of culture. People are quite mobile these days. Many parts of the South and Southeast contain transplants from the Midwest and NE.
    If anything, we could do with some consolidation. North and South Dakota? New Hampshire? Deleware? Do we really need these political entities? I think not. 😉

  181. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    “How do you know that the secessionist movement has anything to do with the Dixie mentality you continually poke fun at?”
    Um, because, Scrubby, the Dixie states already tried to secede years ago, and it didn’t go too well. And the moronic bleating about secession and revolution is generally heard loudest from these same states today. So it doesn’t take a genius to make that assocation.

  182. Ted Stosterone November 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    “Even my conservative family members grimaced at the thought of knives and guns being pulled while two-year olds were left behind in the frenzy of cheap flat screens.”
    You thought disdain for repulsive violent behavior was the exclusive domain of liberals. I’ll wager that the majority of those wielding knives and guns either do not vote, or have liberal voting records.

  183. debt November 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    It was. Asoka said it late last week.

  184. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Here’s the problem with dismantling the Fed. It leaves unaccountable and undemocratic corporations with even more power and clout than they currently possess. This is generally good for those at the top of the ladder, like the Koch Brothers, who, by the way, have bankrolled practically the entire Tea Party Movement. But for those at the bottom, who generally do benefit from federal redistibution policies like the social safety net, the results of less government involvement in their lives is actually an overall negative effect. That’s the rub. The corporate overlords have gotten the people they most despise and oppress to work for them. A neat trick, that.

  185. xport November 27, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    Turk, your forcast may be correct. The grand experiment is running it’s course, and if history shows us anything, then we will continue a path to perdition. Something Orwellian this way cometh.
    The overlords are loading up for the coming storm, while the rest of us kill each other off.

  186. xport November 27, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Ozone, you got me thinking about this bait and switch tactic. If you read Obama and listen to his speeches, he truely understands the situation and the gravity of the moment, and the needs of all humanity and what must be done to sustain the planet. Yet in his actions he is quick to sell out most of these values for a quick fix and in favor of the power brokers. Is he a shill for the MAN?
    We will soon see. The farce will play itself out.

  187. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    His lame brained comment about peak oil certainly didn’t sound like something the real asoka would have said.
    =============
    The real Asoka has told us innumerable times that his handle ends with dot dot while the impostors’ end with comma comma and underscore.
    Several weeks ago dot dot said he didn’t need to post anymore, the impostors were delivering his message for him. “My work here is done,” he said. I don’t recall dot dot disclaiming any part of what the impostors cut and pasted from dot dot’s earlier writings.
    Several commenters here (the latest being Turkleton) can’t seem to remember that Asoka,, is not Asoka.. (assuming dot dot has not created sock puppets) and they plunge right in admonishing a generic Asoka for the stupidity of his comments. Finally, at 7:44AM today dot dot advises “For those who are new here: Asoka,, is an impostor who takes my posts (Asoka..), modifies them, and posts as me.”
    Asoka.., let’s get to the crux of this matter. What part of Asoka,,’s cut and paste job(s) this week do you deny are your original words or at least an accurate paraphrase of your beliefs?

  188. asoka.. November 27, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Which Asoka?
    I am Asoka.. (Period period) and I think it was a stupid thing to say: peak oil production (not supply) is inevitable because oil is a finite resource and the EROEI is already declining. One week I made 40 posts on peak oil and EROEI, so this multiple asokas disinformation campaign will fail. Still I consider it flattering that someone (like debt?) is going to all the trouble to imitate me. The distortions will trip them up.

  189. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    My previous comment was for Isjogren.

  190. mow November 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    its good to know that maine , new hampshire and vermont are moron-inflected cohorts

  191. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    So much for the Constituon – separation of powers, State’s rights, the 10 Ammendment and all that crap. Conservatives were always right about your ulitmate intentions and you now admit.
    I didn’t mean all Generation Y or Z are Zombies, just most of them, the main capachino swilling herd. Obama Zombies the lot of ye. The Arch Druid says that you betrayed all your alleged principles by voting for him. See here, Zombie:
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-post-american-future_7.html

  192. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    The Happy Mondays are a group Turk used to listen to. Get with it Gramps!
    What pop culture victims like Turk don’t realize is that it’s now moving faster than ever. You are no sooner with it than you are behind. Better stick with Classical Culture which is outside of Time and therefore always on the cutting edge. As Thorough (SP) said, “Read not the Times, but the Eternities”.

  193. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    How many real fake Asokas are there? Amazing anyone can be so small as to take pleasure in such a thing. As the old jingle seen on a shithouse wall says, “A man must be very small, to write his name on a shithouse wall”.

  194. xport November 27, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    We go on and on about what is the problem and how to deal with it, yet the very core of our souls are rotten and will never be saved. That is our lot in life. Learn to see it as a cosmic joke.

  195. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    Why is bigger always better? Shouldn’t there be a legal pathway to succession? If not, why not? It’s like not allowing divorce between Partner A and Partner B, whatever the gender of their extenders.

  196. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    Um, Vladistan, plenty of other countries get by just fine without divesting much political power to their individual states. This turns out to be a somewhat anachronistic notion, having 50 separate legislatures and executive bodies governing arbitrary divisions of the nation, especially in our day and age, when the movement of people, goods, and services across such boundaries is so fluid and frequent.
    But, hey, who am I to question the political perfection of the US Constitution, that most sacrosanct of documents dictated by Yahweh himself to the Founding Fathers.
    I didn’t know that Conservatives said much about my ultimate intentions at all.
    Or by “you” do you mean the usual commie/liberal/leftist grab bag that you place all your rhetorical opponents into at the first opportunity?

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  199. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    These are fringe groups that are requesting secession. Simply because there have been a bunch of petitions from different states means bupkiss. It isn’t a mainstream opinion or a viewpoint that a majority (or anything near it) supports in any of the states, as far as I know. (Well, maybe Texas.)
    Most of the smaller states would probably not do particularly well if they did secede. The disadvantages would outweight the advantages. The states that are currently net receivers of federal tax dollars would have to make up that difference somehow. This comprises almost the entire South.
    In other words, for giving up the supposedly heinous burden of being accountable to Washington, each of these states would need to devise its own national security arrangements, sets of international treaties and trade agreements, central law enforcement agencies, social safety nets, and so forth. For most of the states and the majority of people, this would not be a beneficial arrangement. Hence, they prefer to stay within the Union.
    As for your questions, they aren’t unreasonable, I suppose. I just don’t think that the currently rather arbitrary geographical limits denoted by most states would necessarily create nations that make any sense politically. The US boundaries to the north and south make sense in a way because Canada and Mexico start there. But would it make any sense at all for, say, Oklahoma or any of the other interior states to secede? Nope, not really.
    Anyways, if they did secede, you’d just start railing against the evils of the central government in Nashville or whatever.

  200. Piper Michael November 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    I’m sorry turk,
    meant to say GREED vs ENVY.

  201. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    “we don’t need Washington”
    In probably very real terms you and your state DO need the federal government. Anyways, if a state seceded, it would most likely have to quickly setup many of the very structures and institutions you probably despise or think you don’t need, like, for instance, a central bank that prints its own fiat currency, a retirement system for the elderly, environmental regulations, etc. It would just be at a smaller scale. Bigger isn’t necessarily better but smaller doesn’t have any inherent advantages in this case either.

  202. xport November 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    If and when the USA drops the grip on the global throat, whoever takes over will do a worse job.
    Whatever pieces are left to pick up will be junk bonds. We are entering a Winter of Discontent. To be resolved by GRACE.

  203. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    As Thorough (SP) said…
    ===========
    Thoreau

  204. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    As the old jingle seen on a shithouse wall says, “A man must be very small, to write his name on a shithouse wall”.
    ==============
    The way I heard it was:
    Those who write on shithouse walls
    Roll their shit in little balls
    Those who read these rhymes of wit
    Eat these little balls of shit.

  205. charliefoxtrot November 27, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

    saw something yesterday that put this whole mess in perspective for me: a little girl who couldn t have been more than ten years old was standing over her bicycle and had her cellphone up to her face, in the middle of texting…it would seem that technology has finally defeated the humans…i felt quite literally sick when i saw it; i think it may be the proverbial ‘all she wrote’ for us…i mean, come on!!

  206. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    money

  207. charliefoxtrot November 27, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    oh yeah: flad? fuck off…’tripping the light fantastic’…?! and you have the temerity to call ME a fairy?! Motherfucker (you wish, you closet case!) i moved to NC, and within three weeks, i m getting laid regular…she s soft and warm where she needs to be- which, you freak, means she likes me back- something you might find out for yourself some day if you will shut yer yap and lay offa th’ flog long enough for the pimples to clear up…better keep the lights out, fer both o’ yer sakes…shudder!!

  208. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    You missed the double entendre. I put SP there to stop you from doing what you just did. Glad you’re back though – Anti tries to take your place for some reason. If I needed help I would have put ? after the SP.

  209. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Shouldn’t there be a legal pathway to succession?
    ===========
    secession

  210. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    Calm down you little fairy. Why take it as an insult? Fairies are an important part of the Ecology of the Subtle Earth.
    Did you vote for Obama? If you did, then you’re a hybrid Fairy/Zombie.

  211. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    I will accept that one. What is a mneumonic to help me remember it. Remember the sisters used to say things like “When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking and the second one does the walking”.

  212. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    Yes the latter. Without the Constituon we don’t have a Country – that’s why it’s important. Get rid of it, and we cease to be the UNITED STATES.
    You just can’t get the concept of separation of powers, eh? You have an authoritarian personality like most Communists.
    No one said all the States have to secede. Or that they will do so alone. Certainly Wyoming, Montana and Idaho are big enough and fertile enough to support themselves. Perhaps extremely conservative Eastern and Soutwestern Oregon could come along and give them access to the Ocean.
    Illinois will do well to secede from Chicago and Michagan from Detroit. These blights are destroying their respective states.

  213. Ixnei November 27, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    Reality Bites – haha that movie suxored soo badly – but it did have that felon (years later reduced to misdemeanor) klepto Winona Ryder, Ethan Hawke and that hipster Janeane Garofalo (she’s worth a listen or two on politics)! What a ridiculous movie/story…
    As far as the “comma-deux” soker attempting a preemptive blog takeover, immediately after JHK’s poast, I almost knee-jerked a response about how he just can’t STFU (yet again). However, something seemed slightly suspicious about his tone/assertion, and I did remember his claims about prior alias hijackers (tho I’m still suspicious they are indeed simply more of his “sock puppets”, and that he whuz jealous of my Ixnei/IxNoMor duality [which was the consequence of me not remembering my password from Windoze in Linux {which also begs the question why all these aliases keep changing, when mine have remained steadfast for years}]).
    Thx to Tripp for the reply – surprised you caught that one. I’ve read Gaia’s Garden, and just started reading Teaming With Microbes. I think my fatal flaw is that I’ve been averse to the use of “livestock” manure, and that is prolly the entire crux of my problem. I’ve tried getting the C/N ratio through green leafy vegetation, but that hasn’t been panning out. I don’t trust anything that comes from off/outside my own property, of which I know the exact history for 22 years, thus my aversion to purchase questionable manure…
    The problem I’m having is with annuals – the perennial herbs/bushes/vines/trees are doing quite well, and I’m getting plenty of herbs, raspberries, blackberries, blueberries, grapes, cherries and pears. Annual plants (primarily tomatoes) will grow amazingly well for the first two months, then they tend to peeter out fairly rapidly during the hot dry summer, dropping lots of lower leaves to yellowing/browning off. I have been successful growing tomatoes in the same place year after year, for 3 cycles now, without the dreaded bloom rot problems. The plants only seem to produce about half of what they could, if they’d stayed dark green and lush. However, the “stress” seems to give the tomato fruit an extra flavor boost, when compared to neighbors’ tomatoes from lush plants (purchased topsoil, compost and fertilizer brought in).
    I’ve avoided tilling the soil, left old roots in place (cut out any vegetative growth at the soil line), and composted/mulched the beds in layers 8 inches to 1 foot high each fall/winter. The beds are naturally raised from years of trenching/piling/composting/mulching, and some light hugulculture methods have been used for the past decade (around the perimeter of the bed, and directly underneath tomato transplants). A layer of mulch is kept over the soil all summer long, to hold the water in. Over 7 years ago I used to burn yard waste, mainly small tree branches, and fertilized with those ashes/charcoal – that worked extremely well, except now I’m very opposed to burning solid carbon into 1% fertilizer and 99% greenhouse gasses. I’ve dusted the beds with a few gallons worth of nearby forest soil this year, and that seems to have helped (getting new mushrooms as we speak – bolettes, some monster 8-10 inch diameter white gilled, amongst others).
    As far as the Olly Stone History of the US, I watched the first hourly episode, and found it very dry/trivial (WW1-WW2) – didn’t really learn anything new, other than Russia had the biggest effect in stopping Nazi Germany (as did Hitler’s overzealous greed that spread his troops too thin). And much of that I had really already learned from Al Stewart’s songs, but they just hadn’t quite highlighted the “US saved Europe in WWII” fallacy. I doubt I’ll be watching any others – it just seemed too watered down, when a non-history buff like myself already knew 98% of the presentation material (not quite the shocker they advertized it to be).
    As far as shopping? Haha, still have a 13 year old 35″ b00b tube. Helps to heat the room and deionize the air… There’s some sw33t looking 47-53″ flatscreens out there, huh?!? During the ThxGvG event, my 8 and 10 year old nieces each totally obsessed on their respective mother’s iPhone for hours (I’ve hated having a phone since ’85, hated even more having a pager from ’93-98, and will *NEVER* own a cell phone).

  214. Kyooshtik November 27, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    I put SP there to stop you from doing what you just did.
    ============
    Entering “SP” to stop me from correcting your spelling is about as effective as telling a cat not to jump on the bed. I’m a compulsive ya know.
    Speaking of which, in an article today in the NY Times about personality disorders there is a paragraph that says:
    Several prototypes [of personality disorders] soon began to emerge. “A pedantic sense of order is typical of the compulsive character,” wrote the Freudian analyst Wilhelm Reich in his 1933 book, “Character Analysis,” a groundbreaking text. “In both big and small things, he lives his life according to a preconceived, irrevocable pattern.”
    Sound like anybody we know?

  215. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    Uh, no. They used to schedule Nazi Youth meetings on Sunday mornings to keep the kids out of church.

  216. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    Can you imagine a person without a personality disorder? I can’t. They would cease to be a person, and instead would be something likened to a Plankton. Of course, Sponge Bob had to go and ruin that analogy. Screw you, Sponge Bob!!
    http://spongebob.nick.com/videos/clip/spongebob-163-planktons-good-eye-upgrade-clip.html

  217. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Yes. As Jeremiah said, “The Heart is corrupt above all things”. For example, when Obama was on a talk show talking about how low Michelle could get – the crown roared in approval. It was salacious participation mystique. Obama was puzzled and even embarrased at his constituents: he had been talking about her push ups.
    People have been corrupted by years of the Tonight Show, SNL, and Comedy Central. But if they were normal, they wouldn’t have voted for Obama to begin with so how can he complain?

  218. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    As the Yogis say, Cultivate the opposite. Don’t just stop correcting, but rather start intentionally making spelling mistakes. Observe your inner agony, the Tapas or fire of Ascetism, the conflict between yes and no. The remnant of this struggle with be a psychic potash – a most rich fertilizer for your inner growth.

  219. ront November 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    Nearly 100 years old and still timely.
    Theodore Roosevelt said…
    “I hold that a corporation does ill if it seeks profit in restricting production and then by extorting high prices from the community by reason of the scarcity of the product; through adulterating, lyingly advertising, or over-driving the help; or replacing men workers with children; or by rebates; or in any illegal or improper manner driving competitors out of its way; or seeking to achieve monopoly by illegal or unethical treatment of its competitors, or in any shape or way offending against the moral law either in connection with the public or with its employees or with its rivals. Any corporation which seeks its profit in such fashion is acting badly. It is, in fact, a conspiracy against the public welfare which the Government should use all its powers to suppress.
    “If, on the other hand, a corporation seeks profit solely by increasing its products through eliminating waste, improving its processes, utilizing its by-products, installing better machines, raising wages in the effort to secure more efficient help, introducing the principle of coöperation and mutual benefit, dealing fairly with labor unions, setting its face against the underpayment of women and the employment of children; in a word, treating the public fairly and its rivals fairly: then such a corporation is behaving well. It is an instrumentality of civilization operating to promote abundance by cheapening the cost of living so as to improve conditions everywhere throughout the whole community.”
    –Autobiography (1913)

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  221. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Good for you. Cell phone technology probably causes brain tumours. But it was too juicy for the powers to pass on and too conveneient for the consumers to pass on.
    Humanure might be your next bet. The Unabomber used it on his taters. If this is too rad, then at least use your own urine to fertilize the soil over the winter.

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  224. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    I would also file the Bicameral Congress and Electoral College under political anachronisms, sorely in need of updating. Having a legislative body with two members from every state, no matter their population, makes no political sense in our time and allows a minority to obstruct majority decisions. Senate fillibuster is now the most popular way to torpedo a law. It is essentially an undemocratic setup prone to gridlock and contention (hey).
    A single body with proportional representation is a more modern and pragmatic form for the legislative branch, rather than our now rather strange and outdated Congressional model, one that few countries currently utilize.
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/BeginnningReading/howprwor.htm
    And the bizarre situation where a president could win the Electoral College and not the popular vote and vice versa is a strangely undemocratic situation that could be fixed simply by counting popular votes to select the president. This would also eliminate the current situation where a few swing states essentially determine who wins the presidency.
    The Constitution is not perfect. It could be amended or changed to be more effective and current, but this is not on the table for some reason. A 3/4 ratification by states for amendments is also probably not the greatest requirement. It means the Constitution does not keep up with the times as much as it should.
    Jefferson said that the law should change every 20 years to fit the times. So, hey, let’s stop pretending that they got everything right over 200 years ago and it is just the execution that is failing, m’k?

  225. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    “start intentionally making spelling mistakes”
    A fine idea. But would Q be able to stop himself from correcting these same mistakes in the next post? >.>

  226. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    They’re not ignorant. They know exactly who butters their bread, e.g. pays for the campaigns and PACs that elect them. One need only examine the money trail at a site like opensecrets.org to see who exactly our legislators consider themselves accountable to.

  227. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    “obstructing every initiative”
    You should dig deeper. The secret sauce is in the earmarks, which are targeted at individual corporations.
    Look here:
    http://www.opensecrets.org/earmarks/index.php
    Start browsing some of the top legislators sorted by Total Earmarks, and our political system starts to make a lot more sense. It is essentially pay to play.

  228. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    The other night on Naked City there was an episode about a boring guy who had three other identities so he could stand the boredom of his mian one. Complete identities – he paid taxes on all 4.

  229. Radu Voda November 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    I know – that pesky Bill of Rights. Imagine, the Right to Bear Arms. Who the hell do these people think they are!
    Before you change the system, why not put it back to where it was with the Senate elected by the House and bring back voter qualifications? Instead, you people want illegals and prisoners to vote.
    I admit that a Parliamentary System might be better though – again with voter qualifications such as holding a job and/or being financially stable, passing a test to determine knowledge of the system and history, and of course having done a term in the military and/or civil service.

  230. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    For example, when Obama was on a talk show talking about how low Michelle could get – the crown roared in approval.
    I am Queen Elizabeth…..HERE ME ROAR!!!
    I bet she’s a real Tiger in the sack.

  231. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    and bring back voter qualifications
    Hell Yeah!! Only those who own land outright get to vote. The other ninety-something percent, eat shit (or clabber) you bastards!!

  232. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Hear….not here. Beat you to it.

  233. turkleton November 27, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    I’d put the 2nd amendment in the dust bin as well, though of course this is a pretty unpopular viewpoint these days. The idea that you can personally fight the powers that be with a hand weapon should by now be largely disabused. If the gun owners had to go through mandatory training, much like for a driver’s license, or perhaps serve in a state or national milita/military first, I’d be more amenable to gun ownership. (This is the model in Switzerland, for instance.) Judging by the level of government overreach in the areas of personal rights infringement (e.g. the War on Drugs which I despise), security (militarization of local police forces), and the military (undeclared wars fomented by the Executive Branch), I’d say that the 2nd amendment is not really helping us in the way it was intended, as its proponents sometimes argue.
    “Before you change the system, why not put it back to where it was with the Senate elected by the House and bring back voter qualifications? Instead, you people want illegals and prisoners to vote.”
    The old system was changed, because it wasn’t working too well. Why go backwards? This seems to be a theme with you. What is the point in having a secondary legislative body elected by the House? This is not a practical or even fair way to do things.
    Why would you think I want illegals to be able to vote? What crapola. I never said such a thing. Stop making idiotic assumptions.
    As for prisoners, yes, I think that once you are released from prison that you should get a vote. Why not? Breaking the law, even a serious one, should not mean disenfranchisement for life.
    I don’t agree with any kind of voter test. That’s a discredited and undemocratic notion if there ever was one.

  234. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    Does anyone know of any good courses that teach comedy? Particularly, cross-cultural comedy?
    Apparently, the Chinese state newspaper, the “China Daily”, recently picked up on an “Onion” article that voted Korth Korean dictator, Kim Jung Un, as the “world’s most sexiest man” and thought it was serious.
    I mean..how do you make these people laugh?
    I think that it’s probably all rather hopeless. It’s a bit like trying to be a good, ethical professor in a Chinese university. The students just think that you’re an idiot because only an idiot would be a teacher these days.

  235. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    I think that I may have read on Dmitri Orlov’s blog the comment that the biggest imbecile is the bloke who has a view of Reality different from most people and who suggests a different way of organizing society?

  236. beantown bill November 27, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    I don’t see what’s wrong with smart phones, texting, tweeting, etc. – except when driving or doing something else potentially dangerous if you aren’t paying attention.
    In the 1950’s intellectuals stated that the newest gadget, television, was a wasteland that would ruin peoples’s minds, particularly children’s.
    But how could that be when people’s minds were already pretty well ruined from the start by our society’s sick values?
    Now today, people are griping about the bad effects on society from the new newest gadgets. First of all, American culture is already debased to a large degree. Maybe it’s just me, but I see a lot of good sides to smart phones, etc., mostly in the area of human connectiveness. Groups of friends can be in constant touch with each other.
    Sure, tweeting, talking and texting can be overdone with insignificant and mundane chattering. But most of life is composed of insignificance, anyway.
    What about being stranded on a lonely road; ya think it might be a good thing to have a cell phone or GPS? My daughter was in this situation several years ago when she ran out of gas. She called us, I filled up a gas can at our gas station and drove to her. Situation resolved. Sure she was irresponsible for letting her gas tank run dry, but I didn’t want her, a single woman alone by the side of the road. I was happy she had a cell phone.
    I think some people just don’t like innovation and cultural change, or are generationally curmudgeonly.

  237. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    I think that I may have read on Dmitri Orlov’s blog the comment that the biggest imbecile is the bloke who has a view of Reality different from most people and who suggests a different way of organizing society?

  238. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    What’s the difference between “Smart Phones” and “Smart Drones”?

  239. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    Presumably, the reason that U.S. law professors pay themselves such huge salaries is because they think that teachers in other disciplines who are paid vastly lower salaries are total idiots, right?

  240. beantown bill November 27, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    When you say, “Hello?” you don’t get blown up.

  241. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    Smart Drones have wings. Otherwise, they’re the same thing.

  242. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    When I was a kid growing up in the Deep South of the U.S. where everyone is basically insane, they used to show on the T.V. after “school” a sitcom called “Hogan’s Heroes” which featured the non-stop hilarity and antics of Colonel Hogan, Corporal Labo, Colonel Klink, and Sargeant Shultz set in a WWII G..er m.an POW camp.
    Occasionally, the non-stop hilarity would be interrupted with:
    “This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. This is only a Test. [Loud high piercing beep sound]”
    F…ck’n Lunatics……

  243. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    They used to schedule Nazi Youth meetings on Sunday mornings to keep the kids out of church.

  244. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    They used to schedule Nazi Youth meetings on Sunday mornings to keep the kids out of church.
    And what festive events they were. A vision is conjured….thanks to the History Channel.
    When Röhm attended, Wieners were served.

  245. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    When I was a kid growing up in the Deep South of the U.S. where everyone is basically insane, they used to show on the T.V. after “school” a sitcom called “Hogan’s Heroes”
    This movie corroborates the bolded part:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060232/
    As for the rest, in the North they showed Gilligan’s Island, I Dream of Jeanie and Bewitched. No wonder the cultures are so very different. Hogan’s Heroes – prisoners of your own device. The other shows…..all about empowerment, especially of women. Jeannie and Samantha held the cards, and Ginger, Marianne and Lovey ruled the Island. Northern guys, consequently, were indoctrinated to be submissive and docile. And so they are. The magic of television. But that’s all in the past. Now it’s smart phones, lap tops and Fakebook. Progress.

  246. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    The great hope of Globalism was the Internet, i.e., the English Language Internet. The hope was that everyone would get integrated through the Internet and by reading the same shit people would start to think the same way globally.
    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    With respect to the Chinese, they picked up on some things, particularly MONEY, and MATERIALISM, But when you mention rule-of-law, legal compliance, etc., they basically just laugh at you. I suspect that most Chinese people think that democracy is just chaos and anarchy?
    In other words, we’re not on-the-same-page. In fact, we’re not on the same frequency…We’re not even on the same f…ck’n planet….

  247. Collapse Watch November 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

    they basically just laugh at you
    Maybe they’re laughing because Westerners think they have those things, when in fact they only have the appearance of those things.

  248. anti soak November 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    Are you ‘acting like Kyooshtik’?
    I meant it like I posted it.
    It is called a ‘Pun’.

  249. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    Contrary to my “Honor Society Student” persona, in my fantasies, I used to abduct Ginger and Mary Ann on their way back from the lagoon. I’d tie ’em to a tree and give ’em everything that they couldn’t get from The Skipper, Mr. Howell, The Professor, and “Little Buddy”. In my fantasies, I’d get Ginger and Mary Ann knocked up on the Island. In my Island tyrany, I never attempted to be a benevolent socialist despot and talk about my universal love of the people, or to create a benevolent Cult of Personality, like the North Korean dictators, or Asoka.

  250. Steve in VT November 27, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Better than usual post, featuring several very cogent points. Here in Vermont, I can’t help noticing the wide schism between folks who see the writing on the wall, and those who don’t. The former are installing solar panels, insulating their homes, supporting local agriculture, and driving Priuses like my sister-in-law, or riding a bike, like me.
    The others are building big houses far from town, driving huge pickup trucks, and eating themselves into obesity. I’m afraid, though, that the trucks far outnumber the EV’s.

  251. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    I suspect that the U.S. – C.h ina relationship in the context of globalism may be a bit like the relationship between Annie Wilkes and the writer, Paul Sheldon, in the movie “Misery”. (If you’ve ever watched Ch ine se TV, you’ll notice that the Ch ine se love misery, and social relationships are basically hierarchical, dominant – submissive power relationships.)
    Annie Wilkes: “Oh Paul…God I love you!”

  252. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    I guess that basically the American perspective is that in the short term it’s cheaper and, therefore, more profitable to simply let the house become overrun with cockroaches rather than pay the money to hire an exterminator to come and spray the house? Everyone else on the bus looks at the numbers on the spreadsheet confirming this analysis and they simply their heads in agreement.

  253. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    Does anyone know of any publicly-available Collapse Models?
    I can’t believe that governments haven’t created computer software Collapse Models showing what happens when oil is at US$90 per barrel, US$100 per barrel, US$150 per barrel, etc.?
    Thanks.

  254. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

    Similarly, I can’t believe that governments haven’t created computer software Collapse Models showing what happens when public and private debt levels reach certain thresholds under certain conditions?
    Or maybe we should just ask Elmer?
    Elmer is the bloke who makes the really great glue, right? Maybe he tell us how to keep things glued together?

  255. asoka.. November 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    Have you heard about “Giving Tuesday”? As a way to balance our collective consumer karma from black Friday and Cyber Monday, some innovative young philanthropists came up with the idea of “Giving Tuesday”. As they describe it on givingtuesday.org, “It’s a simple idea. Find a way for your family, your community, your company or your organization to join in acts of giving. Tell everyone you can about what you are doing and why it matters. Join a national celebration of our great tradition of generosity.”
    Our goal is to open hearts and minds to the possibility of living a profoundly meaningful and purposeful human life. Those whose hearts have been stretched so wide and whose minds illuminated so brightly will always find a way to make a difference. Help to create a foundation in consciousness that will support higher possibilities for all of humanity and the creation of a much better future. There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

  256. IxNoMor November 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    “why all these aliases keep changing”
    Aw, gee whiz, Beaver – why do all these sock puppet aliases keep *CHANGING*?!?
    …Riiight. ’nuff (sad)

  257. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    Finding software to help you organize and plan all aspects of your life can be difficult. After all, your life is not only about business meetings and dentist appointments – you also have private projects, hobbies, goals and dreams.
    As any life coach will tell you, good life planning software needs to be able to handle different areas of your life, and be flexible enough to let you plan and prioritize in the way that you want.
    Achieve Planner offers a complete solution. This powerful time management tool is ideal for life planning, as it includes many features that will help you organize your time and achieve your goals.
    This life planner uses hierarchical outlines, which means that you can break up larger projects into individual tasks. If you’re planning a wedding or another big event, this feature is invaluable. You will always know where you stand with important aspects such as venue booking and catering, and you won’t overlook any of the smaller details such as ordering flowers and balloons.
    However, Achieve Planner is equally useful for planning your day-to-day existence. The weekly planning wizard helps you plan your week in minute detail, and you can also sketch out your ideal week by allocating time for different activities such as health & fitness, finances, and family time.
    http://www.effexis.com/achieve/life-planning.htm

  258. Pucker November 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    The last person that I had a personal, man-to-man, mano-a-mano, one-on-one discussion with who seemed to have-his-shit-together was a 96 year older farmer in Kansas.

  259. charliefoxtrot November 28, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    tripp, feel free to chime in here if you get a chance- y all heard of intentionally bending the branches of (ahem) “tomato” plants at the end of the growing cycle, in order to make said plant pump nutrients to the wound? seems to make the “fruit” along the way, er, stronger…might be worth a shot in your situation…good luck, regardless

  260. lDrse251h November 28, 2012 at 12:21 am #

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  262. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 3:30 am #

    Gotcha! How do you think I felt when you corrected me for mispelling Christian. I made a typo for God’s sake!
    Now since you’ve paid, you wont have to take rebirth to experience the fruits of this action. The debt is paid and the books balanced.

  263. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 3:37 am #

    You are wise. We need computer programs to advise us how to live – and love! Thank you for offering this planner. Allocation is the golden key to prosperity and happiness. Yes I do have dreams and I don’t want to misallocate them or let some Jew like Gentile Banker short change me at the Counter of Life.

  264. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 3:41 am #

    TV did ruin our Culture – along with Rock music. Many have found that Cell Technology is dangerous to the body – you know that hunk of decaying lunch meat that you think you are.
    Did you have Delhi (Q go away) for Thanksgiving?

  265. Sololeum November 28, 2012 at 3:58 am #

    Great post Jim

  266. 8man November 28, 2012 at 4:11 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179812&start=25
    Re: Free Physics (like Free Jazz)
    Postby nameta9 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:57 am
    Justifications for Free Physics
    1) Infinite reductionism, since everything is made up of everything else (an electron is composed of a universe at a smaller scale, it contains an entire universe, and that universe contains electrons that contains other universes all the way down forever, for infinity etc. and all of the possible combinations of universes are expressed, etc.) then anything is the cause of anything else, all possible causes and effects as expressed as relationships between any two items at all at any point in space and time at any size level, any delimitations etc. (so a rock present on Mars a billion years from now, and a coin in ancient Rome that fell on the floor are the cause for the transistor breaking on that TV set in 1966, and such, all items can be combined and related and all possible causes and effects imagined and invented and forced without the need to respect space or time or logic or sizes or anything as in Free Physics as in Free Jazz, you get the idea…).
    2) Everything is just a configuration of Mass Energy expressing a combination of particles, of information chunks, as in time travel and going back in the past and living at the same age as your father and such, since there is no need for logical coherence in that the old style time travel imposed the impossibility to be before you were born by imaging some kind of metaphysical constraint that imposed Mass Energy to be organized in successive obligatory steps, whereas it is now known that there is no obligation for Mass Energy and Information configurations to obey any coherence at all, the coherence was just a metaphysical ghost that was never necessary, so now you can be 20 years old and talk to your father who is 20 years old simultaneously since you and your father are just a given arbitrary combination of Mass Energy, a given configuration of Information Relationships that have no obligation to be be coherent or respect an imaginary history, an imaginary imposed succession of events, etc. So even the memories of the two persons and all of the universe as they see it is just a configuration of information in their minds imposing imaginary causes and effects and an imaginary history (but it is all just a memory that has been written to, it is all just a combination of bits in minds imposing an imagined history as history is just a set of bits, a succession of recorded events without any metaphysical or deeper meaning than just simply bits written to memories, with no further reality than just an arbitrary set of bits written to memories, so you can write any other set of bits and they are just as real, etc.).
    So given that any time travel is possible in that any configuration of Mass energy or Information Relationships representing any time travel to an observer according to what he knows and sees and thinks (going back to New jersey in 1950 for example is exactly the same thing if it is all simulated, if the configuration of Mass Energy corresponding to how New Jersey was in 1950 is exactly replicated, exactly copied, etc., but even more so, if only the Information Relationships as perceived by the Observer is exactly the same, if the resulting experience and perception is indistiguishable from the “real” thing (whatever “real” means anyways since real doesn’t really exist)), then any relationship at all between items, any Information Relationship can be always forced, invented, simulated, replicated, no matter how incoherent and far out just like any time travel can be created, invented and made real, nay, even more real than real, if real is 100 you can make it a trillion, hence trillions of times more real and such.
    So then any two numbers can be decomposed into a set of invented relationships predicting why those numbers are such (just invent it, lie like crazy, be as dishonest and full of lies and full of BS as possible, don’t respect the truth, the truth has always been the real lies…) anything has been predicted as prediction is already implicit in the stability of any item, any stability means that a degree of prediction is always already achieved by matter itself) and then why so much importance on prediction anyways (to be on top of the rules ? to avoid problems and such ? but you can assign all problems solved and all predictions you make as true anyways and always win 100 % anyways).
    I AM THE OVERGOD ( THE ENTITY THAT IS A TRILLION TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN ANY GOD HIMSELF), CINDERELLA CRAZY, BARBIE CONFUSED, CINDERELLA CANDY…
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  267. 8man November 28, 2012 at 4:17 am #

    and
    http://instantsingularity.blogspot.it
    8 men

  268. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 7:03 am #

    Elmer is the bloke who makes the really great glue, right? Maybe he tell us how to keep things glued together?
    He’s more than that….he’s a freakin pig, fer Christ’s Sake. And it’s already been established that Bankers are pigs, so therefore, Bankers are the glue that hold this all together.
    The Debt is meaningless. It only has meaning if you are insistent on attaching meaning. Of more concern is the increasing complexity of the web of interactions that push this Egregore up this steep, endless…insurmountable incline. At some point, that complexity reaches a tipping point, and the whole thing comes to a jamming halt. That’s when you break out the Champagne….and later the cyanide.

  269. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 7:09 am #

    Does anyone know of any publicly-available Collapse Models?
    Well, if there is such a thing, it was most likely created by this person. If there is such a thing as a Superman, this ulvfugl character is it. You name it, he’s done it, and the chicks dig him. So what if he’s Welsh. Who says Superman can’t be Welsh? Last time I looked, Welsh was still white….but not for long…..it will be well-done like all the rest of us when the Nuclear Swan finally spreads its wings.
    http://www.monsangelorum.net/

  270. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 7:15 am #

    The last person that I had a personal, man-to-man, mano-a-mano, one-on-one discussion with who seemed to have-his-shit-together was a 96 year older farmer in Kansas.
    We know. We have it on tape. Here’s a copy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yFS3bBCJY&feature=related
    Anton beats out McPherson for best haircut ever. Who needs a stylish hairdo when you’ve got a cattle gun?

  271. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 7:29 am #

    The weekly planning wizard helps you plan your week in minute detail, and you can also sketch out your ideal week by allocating time for different activities such as health & fitness, finances, and family time.

  272. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 7:29 am #

    The weekly planning wizard helps you plan your week in minute detail, and you can also sketch out your ideal week by allocating time for different activities such as health & fitness, finances, and family time.
    That’s odd. It doesn’t mention time allocated to surfing, and posting to, the Net, nor does it mention time allocated to masturbation. Of course, these days, those two things are pretty much the same.

  273. asoka.. November 28, 2012 at 8:05 am #

    “You are stuck on mid-twentieth century western European violence, although there has not been a western European war for 68 years.” – Asoka to Rhino
    This is a joke. You’ve obviously forgotten or, more likely, are too young to remember the Balkan Wars of the 1990s. So go make that assertion to someone who was living in Sarajevo back then. Or to Bosnian women beset by Serbian soldiers. –rhino to Asoka
    ================
    Your knowledge of geography is as bad as your knowledge of nonviolent political action to topple dictators (see Gene Sharp’s books).
    Do you even know what countries comprise WESTERN Europe?

  274. Widespreadpanic7 November 28, 2012 at 8:11 am #

    An article in the Oil Drum claims total liquid production of petroleum has risen from 76.3 m/bpd in Jan. 2002, to 91.3 m/bpd in July of this year, an almost 20% uplift.
    Another article points out that Saudi Arabia has as much as 2.1 m/bpd spare capacity, and Iran is currently not even in the game (due to sanctions)
    Peak oil? How about this? LifeSupport? Treeman?
    I’m no panglossian, just trying to find out hat the deal is?
    –WSP7

  275. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 8:15 am #

    What it says for certain is that the price is manipulated, and despite the validity of Peak Oil, the very notion of Peak Oil and any supply disruptions, rationalizes that manipulation. It’s effectively a tax, and a regressive one at that, but for some reason, I don’t hear any conservatives complaining. Funny that.

  276. asoka.. November 28, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    It just means we have not yet reached peak oil production yet, in spite of Tripp’s assertion that it happened in 2005. But we will eventually (“just around the corner”) because oil is a finite resource and EROEI is rapidly declining. It does NOT mean there is no energy in our future. It does mean fossil fuels will not be the main source of energy. It’s all good.

  277. Widespreadpanic7 November 28, 2012 at 8:50 am #

    I’d like to get some idea how far in the future, Asoka Jim wasn’t really clear about that in TLE, and now he simply says ‘we’re in the zone’. Oil is finite, that’s a given. But if its 200-300 years off I’m not going to worry about it. Let the future take care of itself. Otherwise I feel like one of those guys I’ve seen a few times on the streets of NYC wearing a sandwich board that reads ‘The World Ends Tomorrow.”
    –WSP7

  278. LifeSupport November 28, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    A few things to keep in mind.
    1) “Total liquids” includes crude oil, condensate, and natural gas liquids. NGLs are vital to generation of electricity, production of fertilizers, and some other things, but it is the transportation sector that will be hit first and hardest by Peak Oil.
    2) The observed increase in production between 2002 and 2005 followed by a longer period of more modest variation is consistent with the proposition that we have arrived on the “plateau”. Crude oil production in 2002 was actually lower than during the two previous years — and the difference between 2000 and 2002 was greater than that between 2005 and any subsequent year, with the exception of the decline during the 2008-2009 recession.
    3) As production from a given country goes up, spare capacity goes down. An irony is that the more successful sanctions are at preventing Iran from placing more of its oil on the global market, the greater their spare capacity will be later on by comparison with countries which, at present, are madly pumping their oil in an effort to satisfy demand (which includes making up the difference for whatever non-production the sanctions are causing in Iran) and in the process reducing not only their present spare capacity but their future spare capacity.
    3) OPEC was created for the express purpose of manipulating price. One lesson they took from the Arab oil embargo in the Seventies is that cutting off one’s biggest customer is not a recipe for success in business. Since that time, they have been quite accomodating, but it’s worth keeping in mind that 2.1 m/bpd represents like a tenth of what is consumed every day in the U.S. alone. Keeping things running smoothly requires maintaining a very delicate balance, one that is rather prone to being upset by political events (in particular).

  279. Widespreadpanic7 November 28, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    Good points, LifeSupport. Excellent post.
    Once again, thanks.
    –WSP7

  280. LifeSupport November 28, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    Another thing to keep in mind. There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can’t.

  281. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    The third kind are the ones who control the Shell (pun intended) game, and the numbers to be counted.

  282. borse2st November 28, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Mentre il resto del paese si interrogava sul gravissimo attentato di Brindisi, lei conduceva con il solito monotono stile la finale di Amici, da un’Arena di Verona colma di piccoli fan dei mostriciattoli musicali che Nostra Signora della Tv sforza ogni anno. Maria De Filippi ieri sera l’ha fatta davvero grossa, decidendo di non fermare il carrozzone di Amici dopo quello che era successo in Puglia.

    E le migliaia di ragazzi urlanti nell&#8217,Louis Vuitton Outlet Italia;Arena facevano ancora più male al cuore. Quei giovani, coetanei di Melissa, avrebbero dovuto affollare le piazze d’Italia o comunque riflettere su quanto accaduto. Invece no: lei, la Madre Badessa del trash televisivo,borse louis vuitton, ha preferito offrire loro l’ennesima serata di vuoto pneumatico. Un mix di Marco Carta, Alessandra Amoroso, Emma, la finta Belen, i prezzolati giornalisti musicali e televisivi italiani che fanno le scimmiette di un sistema che evidentemente li olia a dovere.

    E Canale 5? Ha almeno provato a bloccare la messa in onda del programma? Probabilmente no, ma anche se lo avesse fatto, davvero credete che la De Filippi si possa in qualche modo fermare? No. Non in questa tv. Non in questa Italia.

    Molti ragazzi italiani sono figli della De Filippi e del suo modo di fare tv. Prima ce ne accorgiamo e meglio è. Altrimenti i sedicenni di oggi e di domani, di fronte a una tragedia che dovrebbe riguardarli da vicino, si preoccuperanno solo di chiedere, con il solito sguardo ebete perso nel vuoto: “Chi ha vinto? Emma o Alessandra Amoroso?”.

  283. ozone November 28, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Thanks youses.
    Important points.
    (Good joke about observational coherence with the internal, unspoken punchline.)

  284. trippticket November 28, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    “Another thing to keep in mind. There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can’t.”
    I saw a funny t-shirt once that read:
    “There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don’t.”
    Got a good laugh out of it.

  285. ozone November 28, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    Here’s a comment to an article from Chris Hedges by a guy named Doug. It’s a very concise description of the present way that homo [not-so]sapiens will conduct their “business”.
    “Human behavior will change when all other alternatives (greed, selfishness, denial, violence…) have been exhausted.”
    -doug (and still digging)
    That about says it; consult your local guru for varying [and, generally, quite useless] opinions. Yes, Kids, you too can die with the assurance that your spiritual nature is correctly ordered! Ain’t we special?

  286. asoka.. November 28, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    WSP7, think hundreds of years into the future. When refined petroleum is gone other fuels will be used. Here in South America millions of cars, taxis, vans, trucks, buses, commercial fleets, etc. have already switched over to natural gas. When NG is depleted another source will be used. But we are talking hundreds of years from now. It’s all good.

  287. trippticket November 28, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    “It just means we have not yet reached peak oil production yet, in spite of Tripp’s assertion that it happened in 2005.”
    Hey, everybody! See that? The date for Peak Oil was nailed down by none other than yours truly. Man, where are my book contracts? My 3000 blog followers? My esteemed position at the Post Carbon Institute? For such a sharp and brazen cat I sure am still a nobody…

  288. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    As the Singularity approaches, and perhaps it’s already here just as Peak Oil may already be here, the implication is that our models for describing the world around us will increasingly fail, and anomalies will begin to mount. We’re seeing that. Models are failing. We are reaching a point where we can no longer control, let alone comprehend, the System we’ve set in motion. Even the illusion of control is falling from our grasp. This is going to be a gas…and a blast. If you thought things were insane already, just wait. Helter Skelter.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWuXmfgXVxY

  289. Kyooshtik November 28, 2012 at 10:50 am #

    It just means we have not yet reached peak oil production yet,
    ================
    Make a choice, which yet would you prefer to delete?

  290. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    My esteemed position at the Post Carbon Institute?
    A google search of the origins of this organization doesn’t turn up much, if anything. I find it hard to believe that no one’s interested in who and what is behind it. Looks like TrueRep’s been employed.
    https://www.truerep.com/
    A scratch and sniff would perhaps reveal ties to the Club of Rome.

  291. Kyooshtik November 28, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    “There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don’t.”
    =============
    But wait a minute, what are the other eight?

  292. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    But wait a minute, what are the other eight?
    Increasingly Useless Eaters.

  293. trippticket November 28, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    “(getting new mushrooms as we speak – bolettes, some monster 8-10 inch diameter white gilled, amongst others).”
    Careful with those gilled “boletes” as boletes all carry pored undersurfaces! No gills.
    Sounds to me like you should be giving the gardening lessons. And I believe that success with perennials is probably way more important for a lower energy future than success with annual veggies. Annuals are by nature higher energy crops, but I will continue to try to achieve the perfect tomato every year from here till corporeal recycling. Just in our nature I suppose. I hate blossom end rot, but it is a bang up way to isolate calcium deficiency in your soil, and generally easy enough to fix.
    On a brighter note, we ate our first cultivated mushrooms from our new mountain property this morning – a nice little cluster of oak log-grown blue oysters – to add to a very successful season of eating their wild cousins: chanterelles, boletes, and hedgehogs mostly. Although none of those is a particular close cousin! To oysters or each other.
    Some permie-type friends of mine and I have been cataloguing the plants we use for food and medicine, prodded to do so by so many claims of how much more diverse foragers’ diets are than the diets of farmers. Granted, a lot of our current diversity is a product of global trade, which may not always be an option, but still, I’m up to almost 250 species, not counting varietal diversity. And I think that’s probably low end in the group. One of the other guys is a much better weed-eater than I am. Did you know that ox-eye daisy is delicious?
    And that money does indeed grow on trees? The same guy cut up a 3 lb lion’s mane mushroom he found on a water oak last week and sold it for a total of $60 at the farmers market! One mushroom. Sixty dollars. See? Money growing on trees!

  294. rippedthunder November 28, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    I thought that Hofner violin bass was the coolest thing when I was a young’un.

  295. trippticket November 28, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    I was mostly just referring to Richard Heinberg, one of the well-known people/authors/bloggers who nailed Peak Oil in the 2005/2006 cycle.
    My own blog is mostly about the emergent (and anomalous) properties of the switch from growth to contraction that you so cleverly brought up above. Nature always behaves differently in a contractionary system than it does in an expanding one. For one thing, cooperation becomes adaptive, replacing competition; and secondly, the system tends to select for individuals and species that are better at living on less energy and fewer resources. Quite naturally, if you think about it. But this is a really big deal. It explains many of the unusual social and business phenomena we see emerging around us.

  296. Kyooshtik November 28, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    Did you know that ox-eye daisy is delicious?
    ===========
    I am completely unfamiliar with this Daisy chick.

  297. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    I am completely unfamiliar with this Daisy chick.
    Here she is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63h_v6uf0Ao

  298. trippticket November 28, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    “You are giving yr knowledge away. You might want to sell it.
    You work hard for the honey.”
    Perfect example of what I said above. I know that we will ALL fare better the more of us there are using adaptive and regenerative food production strategies. By pushing this information on people, not just giving it away but repeating it until it’s gotten, I am helping enable a future payday that will be so much bigger than selling a few books that most people won’t benefit from. Perhaps the benefit of life itself.
    Is that philanthropic or selfish? Either way, it’s anomalous for sure.

  299. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    I thought that Hofner violin bass was the coolest thing when I was a young’un.
    The best part is when he says at the end, “I’ve got blisters on my fingers.” Cyber Keyboard Warriors can relate.

  300. ozone November 28, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Hey now, great posting on the latest Small Batch with pics!
    I’ve got a pretty good eye for grade (through years of experience), but here’s some quick and dirty help. That’s the kind I like.
    http://www.scn.org/sbtp/swbk-grmeas.html
    Scroll down just a little way to the leveling scope and applications.
    Remember, the higher the number read on the grade stick, the lower the grade (from your relative fixed-point position on the landscape) and vice versa. A helper to hold the grade stick is always nice, but with a little thought, you can cobble together a pedestal to hold it. Fastening a bubble onto the stick helps prevent frustration and [more than usual] blaspheming as well. ;o)
    Placing your leveling scope on the top of a stake that’s sticking out of the ground about 3′ is a pretty comfortable height for peering through the scope in a kneeling position, and creates your “fixed point” on the landscape. Trial and error will determine the best spot for this on each individual slope, and can be moved up/down-slope for each “terrace” to be staked out.

  301. ozone November 28, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    Ps. Get a leveling scope that doesn’t need no steenkeeng BATTERIES! A prism that shows your leveling bubble as you peer through the eyepiece is all that’s needed; no beepings or flashing l.e.d.’s required…

  302. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Sandy brings this song by Pink Floyd to mind.
    Could anybody love him…or is it just a crazy dream…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzwF3upH-A
    If you’re capable of empathy, it makes your heart weep. Of course, many won’t make the Final Cut. Sandy’s not alone. Of course, that’s of small consolation, but there it is.

  303. Clay November 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    James, do you realise you are a cyborg? That mechanical hip qualifies you for the title. A cyborg at war with modernity, rather ironic don’t you think? I would also like to point out that in using a computer to create your column you are engaging in electronic symbiosis! Oh so far from a world made by hand have we wandered.

  304. anti soak November 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    As you like it.
    But had you been a smart businessman [I am not!]
    you would have had 1 home / farm for the last 4 years, not 4.
    We have been reading your adventure from the Northwest and Macon and farm 2 and they may have been learning adventures, they were a huge expenditure of yr energy, green or otherwise.

  305. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    1 and 0 are binary code. All other numbers and even letters and words can be expressed by these two. They are the Yang and the Yin, the Yes and No, the Positive and Negative, the Systole and the Dystole, etc. As the Tao Te Ching says, “The One became Two, the Two became Three, and the Three became all the Ten Thousand Things”.

  306. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    1635? Using Rosicrucian addition 1+6+3+5=15=1+5=6
    Six is the number of Man. Therefore the Ape must go the way of the dodo. Confused Barbie is the ally of the Ape and the Enemy of Man.

  307. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Some say that Mushrooms were the first; that their spores came from another world and gave birth to life on Earth – thus they are our Fathers…. It’s much like Mormonism that says that each inhabited World has its own Father God who was once a child of another Father God on another planet and so forever Universe without End or Begining.

  308. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    If the Welsh cease to be White then they cease to be Welsh. A people are not a place after all. If the Welsh moved to Haiti and Haitians to Wales then Haiti would be the new Wales and vice versa. After all, no one believes Muslim Egypt to be the same culture as ancient Egypt. The name is the same – that’s all. The genetics are different, the culture is different, the religion is different, everything is different. Here Wales Man, have a gander. Vide well.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34aFZFJZIUs&feature=player_embedded

  309. Rhino November 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    As I said this is a joke. Western European wars?
    You seem to have selectively forgotten that mid century violence wasn’t restricted to western Europe. The bulk of the fighting and the casualties in WW2 occurred on the Eastern Front. You seem also to have selectively forgotten that a great deal of fighting occurred in Southern Europe.
    So where would you put the former Yugoslavia? Let’s say we put it in Eastern Europe or Southern Europe or some other category. Actually let’s be creative. Let’s for the hell of it call the republics of the old Yugoslavia Successor States to the Ottoman Empire. Happy? Or do you want to call them something else?
    But what’s the point? There is no point given their location and centrality in European events especially in setting the stage for the Great War (which you seem to have selectively forgotten).
    Look at a map of the European Union. It extends to the borders of the Ukraine and includes the Baltic countries and Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece. Given that the former Yugoslavs all want inclusion into the EU how would they define themselves? Why don’t you go and ask them?
    And as I said in my post Europe isn’t the only game in town.
    And you also seem to have selectively forgotten the Pacific theater of WW2.
    The violence of the 20th Century wasn’t only “mid-century”. You seem also to have selectively forgotten the Great War as I said earlier. And the Bolshevik revolution. And the Spanish Civil War.
    And you seem to have selectively forgotten wars subsequent to WW2 and I’m not just talking about Vietnam and Korea but places such as Biafra, Congo, Cambodia, Rwanda, East Pakistan vs West Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
    Maybe what we’ll do is this: we’ll carefully define Western Europe as you see fit. We’ll pare it down to Monaco if necessary.
    Or better still Switzerland. After all they haven’t had to fight a war in centuries. And we won’t discuss why. Mum’s the word. Oh what the hell. Let’s talk about it just this once. So do you know why? Well, Hitler was hell-bent on showing those cheese makers what’s what but the Germans figured they’d need 8 soldiers in the field for every Swiss soldier and so the conquest was going to be too difficult. And so Switzerland was an island of “peace”. Still is. Armed to the teeth, but whatever.

  310. Widespreadpanic7 November 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    Hey Rhino Asoka knows all that sh*t. He’s just Bustin’ yer Balls, getting a rise outa ya, just like he does with P2C. Its all part of the fun.
    –WSP7

  311. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Ah, the Clay is brother to us all – even Cyborgs. Is not metal a kind of clay also?

  312. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Given that the former Yugoslavs all want inclusion into the EU how would they define themselves? Why don’t you go and ask them?
    No need to ask them. They’re Narco-Mafia states. The wet-dream creations of Western Intelligence agencies. The EU’s going to dissolve and this region (former Yugoslavia), as well as many other regions, will butcher each other once more. At least that’s one possibility.

  313. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    A people are not a place after all.
    They most certainly are. The elements of the physical area of their creation is as much a part of who and what they are as is their “genetics.”

  314. ken November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    Like many people I greatly enjoy your weekly posts because they are so well written. You pounces against suburbia and the soon to be ghosts of our past prosperity, denouncing the illusion it always was with such a beautiful prose that it becomes hard to grieve for the soon-to-be empty shells of closed down gas stations and retails chains.
    And you may well be right for what I know but I sincerely wonder how nice life will be in the new “local communities” close to the “continent’s magnificent inland waterways” with the New York urban corpse rotting 100 miles away. History shows that when civilizations crumble, waterways bring more barbarians with axes than peaceful traders with goods. Isolated and well defended monasteries might be better places to weather the storm!

  315. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    If we replace fluoride with lysergic acid diethylamide in the water supply, and do it incrementally so as to desensitize the plebes to the effects, we will be well on our way. Look at how it changed this previously dull, banal and repressed housewife. Now that’s LIBERATION.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGf2loLAwVE&feature=related

  316. ak November 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    From the comments at Arch Druid’s:
    A brief history of the Holy Land (a 3½ min video) — This Land Is Mine

  317. EndofMore November 28, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    has anybody noticed, but comments on here start fairly sane coherent and with something worth saying when JHK posts on Mondays.
    But by wednesday Thursday time, an infinite number of gibbering primates has moved in with an infinite number of keyboards trying to put two words together in sequence that make any sense.

  318. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    “Genetics”? Right. You can’t separate the two…
    But if you do, a fully formed people will change their environment to suit them – if they can. Scandanvians would turn eroded and desolated Haiti into a tropical paradise in a few decades. Haitians would freeze and starve to death in Norway or Sweden in a couple of years. Blood will tell.

  319. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    We’re trying to produce Shakespear’s Plays by gibbering, banging, and drinking red rose tea.
    Seriously, once you’ve lived a century or two, you’ll tire of conscecutive discourse without losing access to it. Life becames the chaos of joy it should have always been.

  320. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

    CFN could be looked at as a microcosm of what happens in a collapsing society
    If so, you will quickly perish considering your puritanically humourless sensibilities. Boring.

  321. progress4spam November 28, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses, or 1 horse sized duck?

  322. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

    Future historians (if any) will marvel at the self righteous blindness of White Americans who voted for Obama. The guy doesn’t even have a SS number.

  323. Pucker November 28, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    How ‘come they don’t show re-runs of the TV show “Hee Haw”?
    What are the odds that we’re actually inside of a giant collapsing Black Hole and that the reason that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate is because that’s what things would like if one was inside a collapsing Black Hole?
    Has any CFNer out there ever been inside a Black Hole? I’ve never dated any black women.
    Thanks.

  324. progress4spam November 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Pucker –
    Dude, you’re funny. Why is it that your stuff strikes me as funny, and nothing like a waste of time to read – (read QUICKLY, mind you, but read nevertheless) – whereas the chinese spam looks to me like sh*t covered and broken glass on an an overgrown lot?

  325. progress4spam November 28, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    “Obama. The guy doesn’t even have a SS number.”
    -rv-
    So, Vlad, have you been doubling as a tax accountant and doing POTUS’ taxes??
    Seriously – that’s the sort of charge that makes the far right look like blithering idiots.
    Even if Obomber somehow managed to get past the Clintons and get elected without a SSN –
    Don’t you think he would have gotten one by now???
    ==========================
    And – not that I’m not saying you are a blithering idiot. You are not. But the charge is probably groundless, and certainly unprovable.
    Why bother?
    There are enough genuinely bad things in the world – without worrying about the unfixable and the unprovable.

  326. progress4spam November 28, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    note

  327. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    If it were true that BHO didn’t have a SSN, it would only be fitting since SS may go under the knife during his tenure.
    I didn’t vote for him. I wrote in Putin. There’s a REAL MAN, and he would be a great leader for the U.S. To bad he’s not a free agent.

  328. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Too….not to. Beat you TO it.

  329. asoka.. November 28, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Obama’s Social Security Number:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp
    One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

  330. Pucker November 28, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    Does U.S. News & World Report do a survey of the “World’s Worst Jobs”?
    Teaching has to be right-up-there: Students think that the teacher is an idiot because only an idiot would teach these days. Students pumped up on sugar and fried chicken growth hormones with pre-mature large breasts and sexual drives.
    Nursing: Emptying bed pans all day surrounded by suffering, death and despair while being bossed around by arrogant physicians.
    Politicians: Telling lies all the time and soliciting bribes while pretending to give ahit about the public interest.
    TSA: Rubbing the back of your hand over people’s crotches all day long in order to make them “feel safe.”
    MSM Reporter: Regurgitating lies all the time and censuring information the reporting of which might get your fired.

  331. asoka.. November 28, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    PAEAN TO PEAK OIL PREDICAMENT
    Learn to be in the present.
    Withdraw your energy from the past. Don’t waste your time in memories. What is gone is gone. Say goodbye to it and close the chapter.
    What has not come yet has not come yet. Don’t unnecessarily waste your time and energy in imagination, because no imagination is ever fulfilled. It is because of this that the proverb exists in every language: “Man proposes, and God disposes” because you imagine a certain thing in the future, and it is never so.
    Withdrawing yourself from past and future, you will become a tremendously intense energy, focused in the present, concentrated in the present like an arrow.
    Each moment being aware, alert, watchful, in the herenow, is the way not to miss the train. Every experience needs your presence here, this moment.
    And this is a simple secret, but it opens the doors of existence, of all the mysteries, of all that is worth knowing, worth tasting, worth feeling, worth being.
    — Osho

  332. Collapse Watch November 28, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    “Man proposes, and God disposes” because you imagine a certain thing in the future, and it is never so.
    Not true. I imagined, back in 2008, BHO would be reelected in 2012….and he was. It’s all my fault. I should stop imagining. It doesn’t seem to work for winning the lottery, though.

  333. Kyooshtik November 28, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    …while pretending to give ahit about the public interest.
    ============
    shaktipat

  334. anti soak November 28, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    Muktananda? You are hin-doo now?
    Swami Kyoo shakti ananda.

  335. anti soak November 28, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    Perchance the non category has 9 subsections?

  336. Pucker November 28, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    [All in the Family]
    Gloria, The Meathead, and The Ding Bat were all very disrepectful of Archie who sucked it up everyday working on the docks to support the family.

  337. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    He has a fake one. C’mon Dude, get serious.
    Do I remember incorrectly or did I actually see you in passing approve of Obamacare’s forcing Religious Institutions and Private Employer’s to fund things they don’t believe in? That they abhor – like abortion? What kind of country is that? Who are you? What would your Grandfather say? How can you sleep at night?
    You are a man who has partially awoken and is trying to go back to sleep. You know in your heart that it only get harder from here on in. Everything you believed in is wrong basically. Feminism, Democracy, Black Equality, Human Equality, etc. It’s up to you: countless men have done it. I was a Liberal and I went through the fire. I remember once guilt tripping my mother for the little bit of race consciousness that she had. It worked and she was ashamed. How do you think I feel about that now? I did the same to my Father: it didn’t work. He just said, “I have nothing against them. Some of them are funny.” Fuck I love that guy! Some of them, most of them, are funny. Better to laugh than to hate. And once we reestablish our natural dominance we wont have to hate anymore. Bring back Amos’n Andy!
    Some of that sound unpleasant I admit. They would have to be afraid of us again and have good reason to be. That does breed corruption of character in some Whites and other problems. It would be better by far if they had been sent back as Lincoln and Jefferson wanted. Since that’s no longer an option, give them a generous swath of the Deep South for their own Nation. I’ll make sure that Appalachian Georgia is outside their border for you and Tripp.

  338. Radu Voda November 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    You MUST read this as well as anyone who thinks only Whites are racist. Some of the comments are absolutely hilarious. The second one says, How scary to be in bed with her in the dark – all you can see is teeth. Be careful not to panic.
    Or, This man need flashlight to see his wife even in daytime.
    On a more sensible note, one poster says fine, just keep them in Africa so they don’t pollute our gene pool like Latin America is polluted.
    Note: Prog is very interested in this kind of action.
    http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/chinese-men-with-black-women-african-wives.html

  339. charliefoxtrot November 28, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

    hey there prog4something-or-other…how are y all doin’ down there? i ve been a leetle busy lately; only recently perusing the musing, and the amusing abusing of ye ould clusterfuck…came to nawth c’lina at the beginning of oct to set with my grandmother, and basically held her hand until she passed a coupla days before thanksgiving…we had just enough time to become friends before she died; it was the ewnd of a lifetime of real pain and suffering…what a great lady, man she had a smile on her face as often as she could, which, under the circumstances, one was more than i would have thought possible…until i got here, i d maybe seen her ten times ever (she lived in montana most of my life) so i am eternally grateful for the chance for her to know her first grandson, and the only grief i ve felt has been for myself…and i noticed the other day that i have not suffered a minute of depression since i got here…i put that down to having thrown myself entirely into the (necessarily) selfless act of helping her be as comfortable as possible in her last days; with no thought of myself or what would i do afterward…so all in all things are better for me now than they have been since i was just a kid…miss the accent, though, coz (stage whisper) i think they s a buncha yankees up heah…well, not ALL of ’em…girl has the right vowel sounds, modified a little by the mountain air…figure i ll stick around fer this’un…ah, feels good to vernaculate a little to somebody i think ll have some such idear o’ what i m drivin’ at…fuckyoo, btw, if you happen ta be snoopin; i ll bah gawd spell any whicha way ah want to, with er without no damn puntuals…an you can pay up that $219.49 you owe me through paypal, if you please price went waaaaay up at my whim and convenience

  340. charliefoxtrot November 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    …almost forgot- on the subject of dot dot, comma comma, and underscore- couldn t we just refer to them all as “assocka” and be done with it? surely i m not the first to think of that…?

  341. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 12:11 am #

    What do you think of Rodriguez? Great muscian, great guy. Sounds like he get ripped off by Sussex Records.

  342. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    To laugh is all one can do. We are making the same mistake that the Indians made in regards to White Immigrants.
    http://www.wvwnews.net/content/index.php?/news_story/i_guess_indians_werent_enriched_by_multiculturalism.html

  343. AMR November 29, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    A couple of ass-backwards developments in Orange County (I’ve been down here looking for work over the past week; I really enjoy much of the county despite its badly fucked up politics):
    First, some old news that I finally tumbled to this week: The northwest corner of Beach Blvd. and Orangethorpe Ave. has been consumed by a fenced-in eyesore for months, if not over a year. The fence advertises the project underway there, something called “The Source at Beach,” or alternately just “The Source.” It claims that it will bring 5,000 jobs to Buena Park, a figure that I found completely laughable until I looked at the developers’ website, at which point it came to seem merely like a probable exaggeration. What these fools are building is a huge high-end shopping center and office tower with a small residential component, expected to cost over $200m.
    There are two amazing kickers. First, the developers’ claims about the spendthrift wealthiness of Buena Park’s residents and those of nearby cities are bizarre. Buena Park in particular is a solidly middle-class town with many more downmarket and midmarket stores than upmarket ones; anyone with a lick of perceptiveness can see that. Worse, though, the city of Buena Park’s redevelopment office provided $50m in the form of promised sales tax abatement to the developers to cover the shortfall between estimated project costs and what could be obtained from private financiers. Based on US Census population figures, this is equivalent to the City of Los Angeles spending $2.3m on a white elephant.
    To make it even more pathetic, Buena Park’s head of development complained to an OC Register reporter last year that Governor Jerry Brown was being unduly harsh by threatening to cut off state redevelopment grants to California’s cities.
    The second fucked up news item concerns OCTA, Orange County’s badly deficient transit agency. OCTA will be raising its one-way fare from $1.50 to $2.00 this winter, with similar increases to day pass and monthly pass prices. To put this into perspective, OCTA is a countywide agency whose annual bus service budget is about $250m and its annual farebox recovery about $50m.
    In short, OC officials are perfectly capable of pouring money down a fucking rat hole in the weird hope of attracting rich people to a mediocre intersection, but they’re incapable of properly funding their county bus system. And given that this is an overwhelmingly urban and densely populated county home to over one percent of the total population of the United States, this kind of idiocy could well have an effect on oil prices and supplies. I’ve been using the OCTA bus system this week, and even though I find it pretty pleasant overall, I can’t blame people for avoiding it and driving instead because it’s so slow and unreliable.

  344. AMR November 29, 2012 at 1:32 am #

    There’s a stupid federalism angle to that OCTA story, too. The immediate impetus for the fare increase is a federal grant program that requires a minimum farebox recovery of 20%, a threshold that OCTA is on the verge of crossing and losing a big block of federal money as a result. We basically have two sets of petty, incompetent bureaucrats who play chicken over fund transfers rather than working together.
    It is a great country, America.

  345. eud2e5s7 November 29, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    Regionale Monopolisten

    Der Kabelnetzmarkt in Deutschland funktioniert nach eigenen Gesetzen. Vier gro?e Anbieter haben sich das Land regional aufgeteilt und machen sich gegenseitig keine Konkurrenz. Kabel Deutschland umwirbt z. B. die Zuschauer in Freiburg erst gar nicht. Der Kunde selbst kann sich den Anbieter nicht aussuchen. Die Kabelbetreiber schlie?en die meist lang laufenden Vertr?ge mit den Wohnungsgesellschaften. Wo Fernsehkabel in den H?usern liegt, ist eine Satellitenantenne nicht erlaubt und Internet-Fernsehen uninteressant, da die Kabelgebühr bereits in den Mietnebenkosten enthalten ist.

    Wachstum durch Dreifach-Spiel

    Rund die H?lfte der Zuschauer empf?ngt das Fernsehsignal über Kabel, die andere H?lfte über Satellit. Auf diesem Markt ist wenig in Bewegung. Die Netzbetreiber bieten deshalb neben Fernsehen verst?rkt auch Telefon und Internet mit Leistungen von 100 Megabits pro Sekunde und mehr an. Das Paket nennen sie ?Triple Play“. Rund drei Millionen der mehr als 18 Millionen Kunden nutzen dies. Mit Internet und Telefon erzielten die Netzbetreiber 2009 bereits 21 Prozent ihres Umsatzes.

    Kabel gegen DSL

  346. debt November 29, 2012 at 2:33 am #

    I had to drive to Orange County about two years ago to play a gig in San Clemente. Hadn’t been down that way in many years. I headed down I-5 through LA county, a 3-4 lane freeway until you cross the Orange County line. I was totally shocked. Suddenly it turns into 9 or was it 10 lanes going each way. WTF?? Unbelievable! I wish I had had a video shot of my facial expression, I think my jaw hit my sternum.
    We’re all dependent on fossil fuels and cars but Southern California takes it to a whole new level.

  347. debt November 29, 2012 at 2:43 am #

    Ja, genau!

  348. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 6:26 am #

    Your offer of the deep south without Georgia is rejected. We must have Florida-Georgia and All of Texas and California and Alaska. Five States = 10% roughly equal to our population. Good big rich States. We are not going to be stuck on a reservation you create for us. We are not going to be contented with trinkets.

  349. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 6:57 am #

    but surely you’ll need firewater?

  350. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 7:15 am #

    White folks have a history when it comes to lying and not keeping promises and not honoring treaties. As well as a history of genocidal practices. We won’t be accepting any gifts of fire water or infected blankets.

  351. 8man November 29, 2012 at 7:32 am #

    Secret Formula…
    Two numbers: 4.677.8 78.997 the formula that predicted those numbers was composed of a rock on Mars, a mountain on earth, an electron in the center of a star, and 6 events, a cloud that blew through the air on earth 4 million years ago, a car that moved 10 miles now, a rock that will be thrown 500 years from now, and a photon emitted from an atom 2 billion years from now from a star 1 billion light years away (actually the precise time is 2454756709 years from now, and 21 days and 12 months and 2 hours and 4.5467787 seconds) a small wind on venus 5,000 years from now, an earthquake on earth that happened 200 years ago. And there are other formulas, other combinations, other mixtures creating 2 or 3 or millions of numbers, all mixed up time wise, past present and future is irrelevant, the positions in space are irrelevant, there are many wild formulas, many connections, and all disconnected, and so forth. And the two numbers above predict the ocean wave yesterday, the two numbers may also predict the moon, or a stellar plasma, and so forth. And you can mix numbers and predictions and formulas and so forth, all upside down, the numbers are the formulas, the formulas are the numbers and the rocks are predicting the numbers (change the arrows, the cause and effects, rocks -> numbers or numbers -> rocks and so forth), but the numbers are predicting the electrons (so to say, I am thinking of Ultra Abstractions and Ultra Creations, Ultra Inventions and such, Ultra Constructions trillions of times past what even these words seem to say, I am so far out and so far away, I have effectively exited this puny universe and this puny Man Brain and so forth).
    THE ULTRA GOD

  352. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 7:54 am #

    JHK should be thinking aboutt the 2013 Forecast. I just reread the 2012 Forecast. JHK was wrong about a third party challenge in the election. I supported the Green Party, but it was never a serious threat to the duopoly. JHK was wrong about Europe collapsing, wrong about standard of living falling, wrong about a banking collapse, wrong about the 4,000 Dow, etc.
    INCREDIBLY JHK WAS WRONG ABOUT OUR OIL SUPPLY.
    2012 was our big chance for doom. We had Nostrdamos, the psychics, the astrologers, the Mayans, the New Avers, and JHK all predicting doom.
    MAYBE IT IS “JUST AROUND THE CORNER” IN 2013? (wink wink)
    Nonetheless I am looking forward to reading the 2013 Forecast to know what will not happen in 2013.

  353. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    McPherson has us all extinct by 2030 and the disciples at his blog, to include nurses, doctors and academicians are encouraging suicide and mass sterilizations in the face of this prediction. McPherson predicted a global financial collapse by the end of 2012. The countdown begins…like in the LBJ Daisy ad.

  354. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 8:32 am #

    White folks have a history when it comes to lying and not keeping promises and not honoring treaties. As well as a history of genocidal practices. We won’t be accepting any gifts of fire water or infected blankets.
    Yellow’s not immune. Even those who were involved say in their own words that “it was insane.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qg-PgXt8Tkc
    Mao was a God. Young, nubile females would flock to him, and he would select several every day to go in a private room with him to take a nap. Naps are nice, aren’t they? It’s good to be the God.

  355. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    We are not going to be contented with trinkets.
    Will you settle for this instead?
    http://img.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4930/medium/china-nuclear-missiles-parade_26.jpg

  356. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 8:49 am #

    2030 is a safe date, far enough into the future to run the scam for years before moving the date again with some excuse, in order to run the scam a few more years.
    The doomster business model is a good one … it keeps people focused on the future (just as religions do) and it promotes the elitism of those in the know (just as religions do).
    We the believers are different from the ignorant unbelievers.
    We are different from the useless mouth breather idiots who have no clue about the coming doom, the WMBH that awaits them, their children and their grandchildren. We are special because we have knowledge of peak oil, carrying capacity, EROEI, etc.
    We are CFN.ELITE.

  357. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    CFN is unique from Nature Bats Last. JHK’s message is not nearly as dire as McPherson’s. At least with the CFN message, there’s still a chance for humans, just on a smaller scale. Not so at Nature Bats Last. This is not an endorsement of either view. Each has merits and is worth discussing, but the CERTAINTY, especially at Nature Bats Last, is unwarranted and can be hazardous to one’s health.

  358. charliefoxtrot November 29, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    anybody screencap this one, for the next time our old sock tries to claim he isn t a 1%er…? jackass…

  359. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    CFT, when I am in South America I live easily and live well on less than $500 a month. Yes, I live like a king and I am in the top 1% in my life of luxury. I PLANNED IT THAT WAY. I won in the game of life. I am a winner.
    Others do the same on $700 a month. Here is how:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-peddicord/retire-abroad_b_2204216.html?icid=hp_front_featured_art
    Retire Overseas on $700 a Month? Yes, Really!

  360. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    And now, here’s another edition of What’s Not To Like About Affirmative Action or See, They’re Just Like You And Me If You Give Them A Chance.
    http://www.onearth.org/article/susan-rice-obama-secretary-state-tar-sands-finances
    Susan Rice, the candidate believed to be favored by President Obama to become the next Secretary of State, holds significant investments in more than a dozen Canadian oil companies and banks that would stand to benefit from expansion of the North American tar sands industry and construction of the proposed $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline. If confirmed by the Senate, one of Rice’s first duties likely would be consideration, and potentially approval, of the controversial mega-project.
    Rice’s financial holdings could raise questions about her status as a neutral decision maker. The current U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Rice owns stock valued between $300,000 and $600,000 in TransCanada, the company seeking a federal permit to transport tar sands crude 1,700 miles to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast, crossing fragile Midwest ecosystems and the largest freshwater aquifer in North America.

  361. newworld November 29, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Thanks, I figured the weasel republicans would brave the idiot left’s race card for one of two things, either Israel the holy and its deep pockets or all these vermin are squabbling over money and using Libya as a pretext.
    As for that fraud AGW, anyone pimping that should be held responsible for people freezing to death because they have to pay higher prices for heating oil.

  362. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    you mean like a few African dictators, or Pol Pot, or Mao frinstance?
    it’s called human nature, or aternatively survival of one’s own tribe

  363. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 10:52 am #

    it’s called human nature –NJP1 to Asoka
    So, your story, NJP1, is you are a victim of a fixed Malthusian “human nature”? Is that right?
    Well, at least it must come in handy to excuse any damn thing you want to do: “Couldn’t help it, it’s human nature, I had to kill them to protect my tribe.” I can see how your victim psychology story gives you free reign for immoral action.
    BTW, I discovered that my nature is not fixed. I discovered my real nature is universal Buddha nature, not narrowly tribal, and it is flexible, not fixed. I overcame my biological programming and used my intelligence to good advantage.
    I never fell back on victim psychology excuses (“it’s human nature) to commit, or justify the commission of, barbaric acts.

  364. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 11:15 am #

    it’s not what I want to do…I try to lead a reasonably civilised existence, but I can give you a list of thousands —millions probably who inflict their selfish acquisitive nature on others less fortunate than themselves,
    That’s been part of history since we had history
    whether a tribal leader/president in Africa, or president of a major corporation, the driving force is broadly similar. Immoral action is justifiable ‘to protect the tribe’
    We are all under Malthusian law btw, nothing we can do about that irrespective of particular beliefs. that law covers all species, it is not exclusive to mankind

  365. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Thanks!
    Nothing surprises me about BHO and his cronies.

  366. rippedthunder November 29, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Sheeet, you are 10% and you want 32% of the land? all seperated by hundreds of miles! How about we give ya LA,MS,AL,FL,GA,and AR. 10% of the land and all connected. Tripp and Prog will have to find new digs. Is it a deal? :o)

  367. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Thanks for your reply.
    I may have mistakenly said “Malthusian” when I was thinking “Hobbesian” … you know, those who believe that life is nasty, brutish, and short … which has not been my experience at all.
    Sure I had poverty at the start, growing up in a mobile home in a dysfunctional family under a militaristic government that had me hiding under my public school desk as sirens went off.
    But I was able to overcome all religious, social, family, economic, and racial obstacles to find a life that is full of love, laughter, lights and sounds, dance, and happiness … all with an excess cash flow on a $1000 a month pension.
    If I could do it, anyone can. Though probably fewer than 1% are living as joyously as I am on so little money.
    I am not cynical or jaded. I am rooted in my own reality, though I visit capital R reality occasionally … for short visits.
    Because I learned the difference between needs and wants I am truly of the 1% … living richly and luxuriously, which was the goal I set and achieved.
    http://www.theminimalists.com/minimalism/
    Minimalism is a tool used to rid yourself of life’s excess in favor of focusing on what’s important so you can find happiness, fulfillment, and freedom.

  368. rippedthunder November 29, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    Hey Puck, astronomers have just found Oprah!
    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/11/29/monster-black-hole-biggest-ever-found/

  369. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    No deal. Why would I want impoverished swampland?
    I want my 32% … consider it reparations.

  370. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    at the moment. life isn’t nasty brutish and short become hydrocarbon energy has made it reasonably pleasant.
    as fossil fuel energy goes into depletion, the bonds that hold our civilisation together will disintegrate. Pity really, I’m having a good time too

  371. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    What a great reason not to care anymore.
    http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/17286728075651536599

  372. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    In regard to the Chinese being humourless, if they can’t figure The Onion out, Gawd forbid, what will they make of this?
    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f67ca41f6b/chappelle-show-the-niggar-family
    Now that’s funny.

  373. Widespreadpanic7 November 29, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Drove down to the nearest AMTRAK station to buy some tickets, in Berlin, CT. Jim’s right, our rail system needs work, ‘specially the Stations. This station is crumbling. It probably was pretty nice in 1882 when the New Haven Railroad put it up. Also, the place was empty. You could hear a pin drop. Really a sorry excuse for a rail station.
    I remember one time coming into Salt Lake City at midnight on AMTRAK. We passed by the grand UP station, all boarded up and abandoned, and were dropped off at concrete bunker inside a grimy, dark industrial park. Hundred of Mexicans were milling around. I wasn’t too worried, but there were mothers there with little kids. One of the worst things about riding the rails in the US is that many of the stations are in the middle of nowhere, or in the worst part of town, and are in poor repair. When you get dropped off, you are stranded, because there are no decent hotels near the tracks anymore. They are at the airports now.
    –WSP7

  374. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    as fossil fuel energy goes into depletion, the bonds that hold our civilisation together will disintegrate
    Yes, this is what I’ve been hearing for over 40 years now, since the Club of Rome Limits to Growth report. Peak Oil just represents the point in time when roughly half of the ultimate available oil has already been used. Even if we are there, or soon will be, don’t we have decades on the down side of the curve when we can voluntarily leave oil before oil leaves us?
    When do you expect the following to happen due to fossil fuel depletion? Feel free to provide dates.
    END OF INTERNET (no electricity for servers)
    END OF COMBUSTION ENGINES (no fuel for jets, cars, etc.)
    END OF USA MILITARY (no fuel for logistics, training, fighting, etc.)
    I make this an open challenge to anyone on CFN. Provide a date (year, decade, century) and a rationale for the date, for each of the above.
    I don’t think any of you really, deep down in your heart of hearts, believes in peak oil. You cannot imagine really living without the above things.
    If you believe it, then you must have a rationale, AND A DATE. Otherwise you are just propagating fear and doomster mythology.

  375. progress4spam November 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    “Do I remember incorrectly or did I actually see you in passing approve of Obamacare’s forcing Religious Institutions and Private Employer’s to fund things they don’t believe in? That they abhor – like abortion?
    -rv-
    Vlad, you’re demonstrating why the Republican Party (along with whatever “conservative” white remnant takes over for the Republican Party) is doomed.
    OH! The Humanity. The Inconsistency.
    Let us posit for a moment that I advocate LOGICAL positions of the STRONGEST pro-white racist imaginable. Should I not be in favor of public funding for Medicaid abortions and birth control??? Seriously, man, think it through.

  376. Kyooshtik November 29, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    “But I was able to overcome all religious, social, family, economic, and racial obstacles to find a life that is full of love, laughter, lights and sounds, dance, and happiness” – dot dot telling us of his wonderfulness
    Happy and well-adjusted people have no need to go around, as you do, endlessly broadcasting that they are happy and well-adjusted.

  377. progress4spam November 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Wow – I haven’t had a submission error message on a post since the last time I was banned.
    Is Kunstler’s tech guy screwing around, again?
    Or is it a grand conspiracy?
    It was a very benign post.
    I’ll try again.

  378. progress4spam November 29, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    “Do I remember incorrectly or did I actually see you in passing approve of Obamacare’s forcing Religious Institutions and Private Employer’s to fund things they don’t believe in? That they abhor – like abortion?
    -rv-
    Vlad, you’re demonstrating why the Republican Party (along with whatever “conservative” white remnant takes over for the Republican Party) is doomed.
    OH! The Humanity. The Inconsistency.
    Let us posit for a moment that I advocate LOGICAL positions of the STRONGEST pro-white racist imaginable. Should I not be in favor of public funding for Medicaid abortions and birth control??? Seriously, man, think it through.

  379. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    I am not well-adjusted, Kyoo, just happy.
    Why would I want to adjust to a militaristic patriarchal sick society?
    Thanks for playing though”?”

  380. progress4spam November 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    “anybody screencap this one, for the next time our old sock tries to claim he isn t a 1%er…? jackass…”
    -cf, analyzing our Resident Impediment-
    Good point, CF. And good to see you around the thread again. Sorry about your grandmother, man.
    I did enjoy the written dialect, though.
    It looked sort of like some of Ozone’s stuff, except with a Southern accent. ha!
    ========================
    As regards the Soaker Hose in South America –
    I don’t know what it is about living down there (or pretending to, probably in RI’s case) that inspires such hubris – along with a strong desire to tell others exactly HOW they should live their lives.
    Essentially, to move to Central/South America – one has make a lifelong commitment to expensive and fuel guzzling airplane rides, forever.
    Or one has to write off all in-person contact with old friends AND family, forever.
    Neither option is something that I, personally, would consider committing to, forever.
    ============================
    Although it does seem to fit into a pattern of supporting unrestricted world-wide immigration while running away from personal problems.
    Humanity can not “run” like that. forever.
    It’s unsustainable.

  381. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Anyone with the ability to judge the intentions of the Germans and Japanese prior to WW2 knew war was inevitable, debating the accuracy of that in the 30s simply because nobody could give a date of Sept 3 39, of Dec 7 41 didn’t negate the prediction itself
    it’s rather like refusing to believe iin powered flight, not because of scientific knowledge that said was impossible, but simply because the Wright brothers didn’t have a date when they were going to get airborne
    As to a rationale, our entire infrastructure is built on hydrocarbon energy, there are no alternatives
    I could say that on September 30 2023 the last oilwell will slurp its last, but it wont work like that
    as oil supply gets tighter, wars will be fought over it, that will make it impossible to get hold of at any logical price. Already the USA is spending billions to keep the oil lines open
    When the price of oil exceeds its energy value, its game over for civilisation.

  382. newworld November 29, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Asoka like all other numb nuts of color and stupid whites who practice self hatred never will admit that whites are equal to any other race.
    The whole thing is a fraud, the intellectual disciplines of egalitarianism, a fraud, the governing ideologies, nothing but rackets.
    Its all a fraud, and yet somehow Kuntsler thinks we can get back on some true path of equality, now there is some stupid horseshit thinking.
    I can forgive a non-white low IQ religious minded person for being fooled, goofy white women and girly minded white men for being stupid, but for Kuntsler an educated man with an insight to what politics were supposed to deliver to his ethny to believe in such nonsense is unexplainable.
    There is no such thing as equality, its a fraud. Who can disprove that, certainly none of the emotionally unstable “liberals” here, there stupid lives are one of inflexable taboo minding.

  383. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    but I can give you a date for climate change if you like?

  384. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    You can’t found a State on the basis of murder. Birth Control is alright – as would be Eugenics in general. Certainly incentives both positive and negative, to stop undesirables from breeding and to enourage desirables to breed.
    I’m walking a fine line here between Christianity and Paganism. Both are needed. You seem to have no appreciation of the Line. But as I said, you are still in the Wrong and are resisting the Truth in general. Once you overcome Egalitarianism, you will find all the specific issues resolving themselves in your mind with little or no effort through natural deduction. So focus on the Big Issue and all these other answers will come.

  385. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    No you take most of Georgia. Atlanta will probably be the Capital of the Black Nation in fact. But the Appalachians are mostly White and you can’t have them. The steamy hot low lands are the most like Africa and the parts you are most suited to. I imagine Blacks will bring back the Planatation System and slavery.

  386. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Yes I had to wait in Springfield once and it was the heart of darkness. I walked around a bit and it became Hispanic. Walked the other way and came to a lovely downtown with beautiful buildings. Fine in the daytime – probably dangerous after dark.
    One Negro tried to assert his power by talking to me as a White Boy. But I wouldn’t play – just looked at him without saying anything until he gave up.
    What the hell did we do to ourselves? We shouldn’t have to see any of these people, ever – much less have to fear them on our own streets. Our fore fathers won this continent and our Elite just pissed it all away.

  387. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    You have to desire the Truth like you desire Black Women. Read the Song of Solomon. If you love the Truth, she will give Herself to you. Her name is Sophia. The joy She gives is unspeakable. It’s worth it believe me. You can still associate with the “other” – as long as you remember you’re better than they are.
    What about Asians and Jews who are our equals if not superiors you ask? They are still the other and not as good TO US as a dumb White would be. Prejudice, postive prejudice in favor of our own. Subjective just as the previous prejudice was objective. See the facility, the clarity, the power the Truth will bestow? She is waiting – don’t make Her wait too long.

  388. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    She is a Black Woman for God’s sake. A Two fer, your superior. How dare you criticize her! You are nothing but a Racist White Man abusing a poor helpless Black Woman. But I thought she was your superior? Yes but she is simultaneously a poor, abused creature too. How wonderful, eh?

  389. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    it’s an unfortunate fact about the slave era that most won’t admit to’
    black Africans did the dirty business of capturing slaves and bringing them to the ports. They then sold them to white men in return for metal goods, primarily guns to enable them to go out and capture yet more slaves
    White men couldn’t enter African hinterland on slaving expeditions they had to rely on Africans to do it for them
    It was a three way energy exchange: embodied energy in metal goods, the energy of
    .muscle power of people, and the energy in sugar . It became the great triangle of wealth
    We do the same today, only we ship oil across the world. We make money out of energy conversion

  390. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Calculate all the government subsidies and tax breaks and you will find oil only survives economically due to socialism. Take away all that government support, let gasoline go to $15 a gallon and you will see it is already game over. Thank socialism that subsidizes cost. Thank big government.
    Still, your inability to provide a date takes it out of the realm of immediate worry. I say we have 45 days, I mean years and in that interim anything could happen like a positive black swan that makes oil superfluous and unnecessary. You have to believe in black swans to be a member of the CFN church.

  391. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Imagining is what you do oh so very well.
    Keep it in the realm of CFN imagination and everything will be alright.

  392. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    I already have the date for AGW and hard evidence, which is what is lacking in collapse scenarios. I will not believe without evidence. Each year that goes by with no collapse your credibility ebbs.

  393. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    agreed on the$15 gas
    the biggest subsidy is paid to the military to protect it
    that drains the economy of all other essential things
    Still we have to get rid of socialism to protect all those capitalists out there who are looking after you

  394. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    Radio, the country does not belong to you. Your white privilege is gone never to return. You are condemned to a life of bitterness, anger, and poor imagination. It is your white karma.

  395. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    The military is socialist providing clothing, food, shelter, etc.
    Welfare for soldiers.
    I receive no govt welfare and buy my own food, clothing, housing, etc.
    What I receive is Social Security which I prepaid over 45 years of working so I’m getting back my own money.

  396. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Yes, as the Greeks said, each new technology causes greater human degerneration.

  397. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    when a man jumps off a 50 storey building, as he passes the 2nd floor window he is still alive. so he shouts in the window as he passes, demanding ‘hard evidence’ that the force of gravity is real and is going to kill him
    i need a firm date and proof—he yells
    he’s right of course, gravity cannot be explained scientifially

  398. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Yes and Haiti/Detroit is your Black future. Detroit was once a beautiful first world city. And Zimbabwe a first world nation. It doesn’t take Blacks long to destroy things…

  399. asoka,, November 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    “The National Retail Federation, an industry trade group, estimates that overall sales in November and December will rise 4.1 percent this year to $586.1 billion.”
    So, how is this possible since, according to CFN dogma, money is slow, credit is maxed out, the economy is the worst in USA history, poor folks have no money and are losing their houses, the middle class has disappeared, U6 unemployment is at Depression levels….? Indeed, according to CFN dogma we are now in an economic Depression, not in a recovery from a recession.
    Yet the big box store parking lots are full, and it’s not rich folks going to Target and WalMart.
    How do you explain this? Might it be that you, Mr. Kunstler, engage in perpetual hyperbole?
    Might it be that your perception of things economic does not accord with reality and is not supported by actual facts? Who is spending $586.1 BILLION DOLLARS? Where are they getting the money (since they have no plastic)?
    You say Americans are homeless, jobless, have no credit and have no money. You say we are in the worst economy of USA history. Yet, every year consumer spending increases.
    “It’s all good!!”

  400. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    yup–I can see you would prefer capitalist soldiers
    When Germany invaded Poland, their troops were not given any long term rations, they were ordered to loot the towns and villages of everything they needed and leave the inhabitants to starve to death. which is exactly what happened.
    Capitalist soldiering at its best.
    As the Russians retreated, that’s why they burned everything

  401. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    Even though it is flawed, let’s work with this analogy.
    Your supposed proof for your argument is the inevitability of death, with or without evidence. Gravity is a fact whether or not you have a date for when you will hit the ground, whether or not you believe in it … that is the punch line of your joke. Correct
    Now let us transfer it to collapse. You are saying collapse is inevitable whether or not we have a date, whether or not we believe it will happen.
    Now the fallacy of your analogy should be apparent. If I believe in gravity and understand the laws of physics, I can tell you exactly when the man will hit the ground, I can give you an exact date. You believe in the inevitability of collapse, but yours is of the nature of religious belief. You cannot give me a date.
    Would anything change if the man had knowledge of his date with the ground floor? Could he do anything to prevent his death?
    Does your knowledge (supposed) of the inevitability of collapse allow you to prevent it? Your unwavering faith can do nothing.
    Who is being rational? We have passed the 2nd floor window with no problem. Yet you think there is a problem … does that change the situation in any way? Of what value this belief in collapse?

  402. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    As you pass the 3rd floor on your way down I will “pranam” you and then look down to watch you go splat. I expect you’ll be raving about Black is Beatiful before you ask for proof about Peak Oil.

  403. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    That last was in response to NJP1 and his 50 story building joke which backfired on him.

  404. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    Obama has ordered a fully gender integrated military. So of 80 “officers”, two were willing to volunteer for infantry training (the rest knew better). Those two were gone in a week or so. The standards are going to have to be lowered to make women feel ok about themsleves.
    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/11/27/first-female-usmc-infantry-candidates-wash-out/

  405. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    False premise. I do not and never supported armies.
    Thanks for the blunt description of capitalism: taping and looting.
    Islam will eliminate interest collecting usury that capitalism feeds upon.

  406. LifeSupport November 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    >>Peak Oil just represents the point in time when roughly half of the ultimate available oil has already been used.
    Right. The high quality, easily accessible half. The cheap half.
    >>Even if we are there, or soon will be, don’t we have decades on the down side of the curve when we can voluntarily leave oil before oil leaves us?
    For some values of “we”, yes.
    Price will rise, of course, and as it does, more people will voluntarily decide that the SUV is really not an absolute necessity. I think it’s reasonable to predict an awkward transition period during which increasing numbers of daring souls will brave the SUV-dominated roadways in much smaller vehicles — and end up getting creamed. Turns out that much of the appeal of the SUV is that mommies like the security of having all that heavy armor protecting their babies, and if it increases the risk of injury to those in the other vehicle, that’s their tough luck. So that’s just a matter of a bit of attitude adjustment, and the price squeeze will take care of that.
    But the high energy density of oil-derived fuels makes them hard to replace in certain applications. Battery-powered harvesters, for example, would be problematic. As you aptly note, modern military operations are extremely dependent on these high energy density fuels, and it probably comes as no surprise to you that the U.S. Department of Defense is the world’s largest single consumer. There has been much discussion in military circles about the risk this high degree of dependence presents, and about the possibilities for developing alternatives, but I predict that the U.S. military will continue to have both a need for and access to oil-derived fuels for a very long time to come.
    Somehow, it’s harder for me to picture the U.S. military ceasing to exist than it is for me to picture there coming to be a time when its main (or perhaps even its only) reason for existing is to procure a supply of oil for itself.

  407. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    ^raping and looting^

  408. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    ACLU to sue so [get this] BABES CAN BATTLE AT THE FRONTLINE.
    Me, I dont like the military, all wars after
    the Revolutionary War have been against the interests of US citizens.

  409. asoka,, November 29, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    “By recklessly printing, borrowing and spending money, our authorities are absolutely shredding confidence in the U.S. dollar. The rest of the world is watching this nonsense, and at some point they are going to give up on the U.S. dollar and throw their hands up in the air. When that happens, it is going to be absolutely catastrophic for the U.S. economy. Right now, we export a lot of our inflation. Each year, we buy far more from the rest of the world than they buy from us, and so the rest of the world ends up with giant piles of U.S. dollars. This works out pretty well for them, because the U.S. dollar is the primary reserve currency of the world and is used in international trade far more than any other currency is. Back in 1999, the percentage of foreign exchange reserves in U.S. dollars peaked at 71 percent, and since then it has slid back to 62.2 percent. But that is still an overwhelming amount. We can print, borrow and spend like crazy because the rest of the world is there to soak up our excess dollars because they need them to trade with one another. But what will happen someday if the rest of the world decides to reject the U.S. dollar? At that point we would see a tsunami of U.S. dollars come flooding back to this country. Just take a moment and think of the worst superstorm that you can possibly imagine, and then replace every drop of rain with a dollar bill. The giant currency superstorm that will eventually hit this nation will be far worse than that.
    “Most Americans don’t realize that there are far more dollars in use in the rest of the world than in the United States itself.”
    LOL! More doomster alarmism. The almighty dollar will remain so. After all, I spend 1,000 of them every month from my SSI stipend. They seem to work the same every month so I see no reason to anticipate or fear any “collapse”. I remain in bliss…
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)
    Assalaamu alaikum!

  410. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    It’s hard for any of us to picture the end of the USA military.
    You correctly point out the military is the biggest consumer.
    Many here believe in peak oil and inevitable depletion.
    No one can give a date or even a guestimate +/- 10 years.
    Do you see the logical flaw?
    Same goes for INTERNET / CARS / JETS etc.
    Those presumably will go on forever like the military.

  411. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Will anybody second the motion if I make November 29th ‘wind up asoka day?”
    after all–there’s Sadie Hawkins day—seems fair to me

  412. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    armies can only exist by means of 1…support from their home nation, or 2 …looting the nation they occupy.
    the USA military has gone a stage further by putting ethanol into their fuel tanks, which means they are taking food from the people they are protecting to power their vehicles

  413. newworld November 29, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    Now we know our beloved Asoka is a welfare load SSI indeed. Yet here a dozen kooky white libs who might actually have a job and pay for that and who vote to make their own children despised minorities will babble on about their supposed moral superiority so they can lord it over the “lesser whites.”
    Is it really worth it?

  414. rippedthunder November 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    Hey Vladdie, I followed your post and came up with this link. Ya gotta love these forward thinking Aussies. They’ll save a bundle on floatation vests!
    http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/navy-defends-breast-implants/story-e6frfkp9-1111114427036

  415. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    LOL!
    Asoka,, is plagiarizing!
    Twisting my words!
    Taking them out of context! Imitating the RI.
    LOVE IT!
    GOOD WORK ASOKA COMMA COMMA!
    Imitation is a form of flattery.
    Asoka..
    ASOKA DOT DOT

  416. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

    I second the motion.
    Today I ‘m windanle. Take advantage.

  417. trippticket November 29, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    I suppose I’d rather waste my energy and end up in the right place than be more ahead of the curve in a dangerous one. Washington was really pulled out from under us. We would probably love to still be there, although it is farthest away from helpful family. Macon was bloody dangerous. The farm in Tifton was incredibly toxic. But I think we’ve found the porridge that is just right now.
    Of course, no one really knows where the “right place” is. But many of the judgement criteria used in the process would probably suit your fancy. For example, our current location is more culturally homogenous than any of the previous spots. And the climate is pretty fair to middlin’ too, with room to go either direction temperature-wise.
    But obviously we would have rather not wasted all that time, energy, and money.

  418. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Of course it is worth it.
    Silly question!
    Is it worth it to provide TRILLIONS for defends welfare and BILLIONS for corporate welfare and agriculture welfare?

  419. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    The Shakers know the right place TO BE
    IN THE VALLEY OF LOVE AND DELIGHT!

  420. trippticket November 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    When I first started learning about this Keyline stuff from Darren Doherty he told us that he used a sophistacated approach to contouring called “the seat of his pants.”
    I have a homemade A-frame level with a string and a suspended rock for surveying. Some permies prefer a suspended beer bottle. But whatever works!

  421. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Ah, the pragmatism of William James. What is the “cash value” of collapse? Net? None. But on the personal level it could save your life if you prepare.

  422. banana republican November 29, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    An interesting side note about the Shakers that most don’t realize is that they originally broke off from a larger group called the Movers.
    For quite some time thereafter they were collectively referred to as ‘The Movers and the Shakers’.

  423. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    Caution!
    Fiscal gentle slope ahead.
    Best thing to do is slow down then do nothing. The automatic cuts to defense welfare, corporate welfare (repeal of Bush tax cuts) will happen while the grass grows and it is growing great right now here near the equator.

  424. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    Prove it.
    Everything born must die.

  425. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    I can dig it!
    Does that make me a digger?

  426. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Yeah if the ship sinks, you could just jump on top of one of them…. The insanity goes on and on but the end is in sight.
    How about this one? Women in San Francisco demand access to the front lines. Now I wouldn’t kick her out of bed, but I sure wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with this toughie.
    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/11/27/yet-more-from-our-brave-women-in-uniform/

  427. Kyooshtik November 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm #

    Yesterday afternoon* my wife and I saw the new movie Lincoln. It was very good and I recommend it highly. It is totally relevant to the discussion here at CFN. I can hardly wait to hear the assessment of others as to its historical accuracy.
    In a key scene, the debate preceeding the vote on the 13th Amendment to end slavery, Congressman Thaddeus Stevens (wearing the world’s worst rug) played by actor Tommy Lee Jones is faced with the question whether negroes are truly “equal.” His response is both humorous and thought provoking.
    * As “seniors” we saved a buck and a half per ticket by going to the 3:15PM showing. There were 7 people in the theater including ourselves.

  428. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    The end is in sight?
    More imagination or can you prove it?

  429. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    Good performances. Showed the hypocrisy and moral depravity of whites so everyone should see it.
    Lincoln got down on the floor and put firewood on the fire.
    Today presidential aides would to that. Of course for some things the president still gets Down on the floor with an aide.

  430. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    About Lincoln the movie. No way. No dice. If one has thoroughly researched Lincoln, there is no way the movie could do any justice. It’s history in a can. In otherwords, Spam. Plus, it’s a Spielberg movie, and sorry, but he’s slipped. His best movie was one of his first, Duel. That was a great movie…and low budget. Everything of his after that is schmaltzy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2fNbQAVFw

  431. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    I can’t wait until the Promiscuous Petraeus movie comes out with all that heterosexual military immorality … WTF! 15,000 PAGES OF EMAILS! How much do we pay these generals to send messages to their mistresses? Should be a good movie full of white depravity.

  432. Kyooshtik November 29, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Showed the hypocrisy and moral depravity of whites
    ============
    What I thought it showed was the hypocrisy and moral depravity of politicians.

  433. EndofMore November 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    be grateful Eisenhower didn’t have email or we would have lost WW2

  434. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Did you see any Black politicians in the movie?

  435. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    The farm in Tifton was incredibly toxic. Toxic Sprays or Toxic folks?
    Everyone, I was listening to C2C AM last nite.
    Speaker says BHO has been much nicer to Monsanto than Bush! Head of FDA a mont guy?
    And this! sacre bleu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    French experts reject GM corn cancer study – France – RFI
    http://www.english.rfi.fr/…/20121022-french-experts-reject-gm-corn-cance...
    Oct 22, 2012 – Two panels of experts in France on Monday rejected an earlier French study which had linked genetically-modified corn to tumours in rats, .

  436. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    [see post above this]
    Fellow also says that buffet and gates own % of Monsanto.
    Monsanto ~ Water-Efficient Maize for Africa (WEMA)
    http://www.monsanto.com/…/pages/water-efficient-maize-for-africa.aspx
    Maize production is severely affected by drought, which can lead to … (AATF) and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates and Howard G. Buffett Foundations.
    Why Is the Gates Foundation Helping Monsanto?
    readersupportednews.org/…/11392-why-is-the-gates-foundation-help…
    May 12, 2012 – Aarhus writes: “Monsanto and the Gates Foundation claim … They have six children, meaning there will be many lean mo

  437. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    I didnt find it funny, but I am almost on the floor with laughs from YOU!
    YOU ARE IRREPRESSIBLE!

  438. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    Haven’t seen it yet and probably wont. The WN reviews are coming in and Asoka is right: it is a viciously Anti-White movie or as the reviewer says, basically Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter with bigger words. At least the latter movie allowed the Southerners the dignity of being monsters and not just corrupt human beings.
    How could you be so wrong? Because you have grown used to the Jewish hatred of Whites. How not since you like the rest of us have been conditioned to it ever since we were born.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/lincoln/#more-33796

  439. Radu Voda November 29, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    I don’t see how anyone could not laugh at what the Chinese men say about Black Women in the dark. What do you want, knock knock jocks?

  440. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    More on Lincoln.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0027.103?rgn=main;view=fulltext
    Nevertheless, Lincoln deserves far more credit than he has received as an architect of American constitutional law. Because of the absence of explicit constitutional amendments during Lincoln’s lifetime, we underestimate how much he helped reshape the Constitution. The Constitution drafted by Madison was profoundly incomplete and crucial issues were left unsettled; only after the Civil War were those ambiguities resolved and the voids filled.
    There were three key gaps in Madison’s Constitution. The first was the most fundamental. Until Lincoln’s time, the nature of the Constitution itself was unclear, and with it the question of whether ultimate sovereignty resided with the states or the nation. This confusion over whether the United States was a confederation or a nation gave plausible legal cover for secessionists. In contrast, Lincoln thought that “our forefathers brought forth … a new nation,” not a mere confederation. But that was a question open to debate before his presidency.
    The second constitutional gap related to the nature of the presidency. Today, the president is at the heart of the national government, the most powerful single individual in the world. But Madison’s Constitution was singularly uncommunicative about presidential authority. Lincoln’s unprecedented initiatives as president did much to lay the foundation for the modern chief executive.
    The third gap was the failure of Madison’s Constitution to protect human rights from invasion by the state governments—a failure that Madison himself deeply regretted. Slavery itself was the worst blot on human rights, but it was not the only one. Here, too, Lincoln’s vision was triumphant—a vision of a nation “conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” Lincoln’s call for a “new birth of freedom” was realized in the form of the three crucial constitutional amendments: the Thirteenth Amendment abolishing slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantees of due process and equal protection, and the Fifteenth Amendment’s guarantee of the right to vote.
    Lincoln’s constitutional legacy contained internal tensions. National power can be used to invade civil rights and civil liberties as well as to protect them. Presidential emergency powers can be abused at the expense of individuals and communities, as some events during Lincoln’s own administration demonstrated. Those are important issues, and in a sense they too are part of Lincoln’s legacy. But the central question is how Lincoln contributed to the building of our present scheme of American government.

  441. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln? What? He’s an Irishman. Tom Hanks would have been a much better pick, or better yet, Morgan Freeman. Christopher Walken would have made a great Lincoln, or Ron Perlman. Will Smith’s hot right now, no doubt he can do a mean Lincoln. What the hell was Spielberg thinking?

  442. LifeSupport November 29, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    >>Do you see the logical flaw?
    I certainly see a logical flaw in the argument that an event should not be considered inevitable because no one can predict with guaranteed accuracy the exact point in time at which it will occur. I suspect that you do as well, and are merely indulging a rhetorical device you happen to find fun. It reminds me a little of Zeno’s paradox.
    The expertise of oil industry analysts may not be presumed to extend to the ability to predict with any degree of accuracy how the implications of peak oil will play out in socioeconomic terms, but the inevitability of the peak oil event itself is as widely accepted by those experts as is the theory of evolution among biologists or observed climate change among climatologists. There is some variation among the models, but not so much as to negate the rather strong consensus that we are approximately at peak production somewhere around now. That’s as close as it’s going to get until the event is far enough in the past to be pinned down using post hoc analysis.

  443. whitehunter November 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    I think Will Smith would have been the best choice. After all, if he can play James West…

  444. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    ALL ASOKAS ARE FAKE
    THERE IS NO ‘REAL’ ASOKA.
    ONLY BOTS AND CLONES.

  445. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    Yeah, you’re right. Will Smith would have been the best pick. Also, Sally Field as Mary Todd Lincoln? What? The part is tailor-made for Whoopi Goldberg. It’s too bad this project wasn’t done several decades earlier. Ruth Gordon would have made a convincing Mary Todd Lincoln based off of her role as Minnie Castevet in Rosemary’s Baby. Now that’s a movie. One to watch with the kids this weekend.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwOXl7Qaww

  446. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 6:54 pm #

    Morgan Freeman would have been good. But would he have signed the order for the mass hanging of Native Americans in Mankato, Minnesota as Lincoln did?

  447. Collapse Watch November 29, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Morgan Freeman would have been good. But would he have signed the order for the mass hanging of Native Americans in Mankato, Minnesota as Lincoln did?
    For a $20 million dollar movie contract? You bet he would.
    An interesting question arises. If Lincoln had e-mail, would the North had won the Civil War, and would the slaves have been emancipated? What if they had Fakebook when Lincoln was growing up? Would he have become president, or would he have remained back in Illinois blogging away in the cabin? These are important questions.

  448. anti soak November 29, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    I dont understand u.
    I did click link…is this true or ‘hollywood’?
    When the 13th Amendment is passed, Stevens takes the original copy to his black housekeeper. He presents it to her as a “gift” and basks in the usual Negro Tears of Moral Approval. It is revealed that he is sleeping with her as well. Stevens is thus the ultimate Yankee – preening in front of subservient, worshipful blacks, despising his own race, and using the sacred vision of Equality to display his own status and virtue. While liberal reviewers giddily view the film’

  449. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    Peak Oil represents the point in time when roughly half of the ultimate available oil has already been used. Many scientists and experts believe that we are very close to the peak of conventional oil today. The expertise of oil industry analysts may not be presumed to extend to the ability to predict with any degree of accuracy…
    ========
    The Second Coming of Christ represents the point in time when believers will be redeemed.
    Many theologians and religion experts believe that we are very close to the Second Coming of Christ today. The expertise Christian religious analysts may not be presumed to extend to the ability to predict with any degree of accuracy…
    blah blah blah
    What you are saying has no scientific basis. As you say, we won’t know until after the fact. Kind of like the Rapture, you know?

  450. asoka.. November 29, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    ALL ASOKAS ARE FAKE
    THERE IS NO ‘REAL’ ASOKA.
    ============
    One of my best creations is anti soak.
    It is a real challenge to post incoherently, with intentional grammatical and spelling errors.

  451. convtlck79 November 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Fall Archive – Page 12

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  452. trippticket November 29, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    Living on a conventional cotton farm is absolute hell on the human body. I think that defoliant shit they spray on the crop pre-harvest is just dilute (?) Agent Orange.
    Gets in the well water, headaches for weeks on end, the constant Trotskys…my family was sick for over a month, and I’m not sure we’re even 100% yet, after being gone for 7 months. I swear when we hit cotton country, during active harvest, just south of Macon on our way to Thanksgiving dinner we all started coughing simultaneously. Hey look! Cotton fields! Oh yeah, I remember now…
    We were brought on to help transition the farm to organic practices, and when they “forgot”, and resigned the conventional lease for 2012, we had to go.

  453. vonvtlfk27 November 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

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    • trippticket November 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

      Then again, I think we can consider farm owners who don’t uphold their end of a move from poisonous to regenerative practices to be toxic as well.

    • trippticket November 29, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

      What is this mindless pop culture bullshit that clogs up the comments section week in and week out?
      Do you people not have somewhere else to be? Like the Botox clinic? Milan? Maybe the tanning booth?

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    • vonvtlsf30 November 29, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

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    • lonvtlze74 November 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

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      ??se each tool as it was meant to be used. I find that with a high-quality, it’s pretty easy. and bold with my colors. opera costumesArabicHow do the intricate patterns present in Arab buildings and art translate (or not) into clothing?How do light waves affect your perception of color? The faces part is widely debated, I tend to draw small and tight.

    • ovplors179 November 29, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

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    • oonvtloo72 November 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

      Mishaps, I’ll update this post with it. The set had a mylar curtain if I remember correctly. I found this site containing what I see in my head when I’m using oil pastels.
      turpentine,Then I attacked the page with color, it’s all about drawing inspiration from everyone and everything. less pragmatic. I can’t post any of her work here (tried to ask permission, The tab on jewelry was actually practical to my design. So I feel I can do as I wish! and Hairball issues. add your thoughts to the comments. A 1960?s summer-time ??irty dancing??
      I’ll update this post with it. For too many years my characters floated though space.

    • lonvtlkc59 November 29, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

      Batman and a little Captain America as well. October 11th, Utah. . Megamind will be released in theaters on Nov.It’s only a matter of time before another group tries to beat this record.
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    • ovplobo276 November 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

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Box 6, King’s Square, Gloucester, United Kingdom, GL1 1SH4 days GloucesterDebenhams Retail plc, P.O. 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      ngston West Lothian, United Kingdom, EH54 6GS4 days LivingstonDebenhams Retail plc, Almondvale Shopping Centre, 301 Almondvale South, Livingston West Lothian, United Kingdom, EH54 6GS4 days LlandudnoDebenhams Retail plc, Park Llandudno, Conway Road, Llandudno, United Kingdom, LL30 1PX4 days LlandudnoDebenhams Retail plc, Park Llandudno, Conway Road, Llandudno, United Kingdom, LL30 1PX4 days LlanelliDebenhams Retail plc, Llanelli 113 Unit 7B, Parc Trostre, Llanelli Dyfed, United Kingdom, SA14 9UY4 days LlanelliDebenhams Retail plc, Llanelli 113 Unit 7B, Parc Trostre, Llanelli Dyfed, United Kingdom, SA14 9UY4 days LutonDebenhams Retail plc, 56-80 The Arndale Centre, Luton, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom, LU1 2SZ4 days LutonDebenhams Retail plc, 56-80 The Arndale Centre, Luton, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom, LU1 2SZ4 days ManchesterDebenhams Retail plc, Market Street, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom, M60 1TA4 days ManchesterDebenhams Retail plc, Market Street, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom, M60 1TA4 days MansfieldDebenhams Retail plc, 40 Four Seasons Centre, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom, NG18 1SX4 days MansfieldDebenhams Retail plc, 40 Four Seasons Centre, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom, NG18 1SX4 days MeadowhallDebenhams Retail plc, 16 Park Lane, Meadowhall Centre, Sheffield, United Kingdom, S9 1EL4 days MeadowhallDebenhams Retail plc, 16 Park Lane, Meadowhall Centre, Sheffield, United Kingdom, S9 1EL4 days MerryhillDebenhams Retail plc, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, West Midlands Dudley, United Kingdom, DY5 1QU4 days MerryhillDebenhams Retail plc, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, West Midlands Dudley, United Kingdom, DY5 1QU4 days Merthyr TydfilDebenhams Retail plc, Desire By Debenhams, Unit 9 Cyfarthfa Retail Park, Swansea Road Mertyyr Tydfil, United Kingdom, CF48 1HY4 days Merthyr TydfilDebenhams Retail plc, Desire By Debenhams, Unit 9 Cyfarthfa Retail Park, Swansea Road Mertyyr Tydfil, United Kingdom, CF48 1HY4 days Metro 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Kingdom, NE1 7XD4 days NewryDebenhams Retail plc, The Quays Shopping Centre, Newry, County Down Northern Ireland, United Kingdom, BT35 8QS4 days NewryDebenhams Retail plc, The Quays Shopping Centre, Newry, County Down Northern Ireland, United Kingdom, BT35 8QS4 days NorthamptonDebenhams Retail plc, 33-39 Drapery, Northampton, United Kingdom, NN1 2EZ4 days NorthamptonDebenhams Retail plc, 33-39 Drapery, Northampton, United Kingdom, NN1 2EZ4 days NorwichDebenhams Retail plc, Orford Place, Norwich, Norfolk, United Kingdom, NR1 3RZ4 days NorwichDebenhams Retail plc, Orford Place, Norwich, Norfolk, United Kingdom, NR1 3RZ4 days NottinghamDebenhams Retail plc, Long Row, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom, NG1 2DS4 days NottinghamDebenhams Retail plc, Long Row, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom, NG1 2DS4 days NuneatonDebenhams Retail plc, Bridge Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, United Kingdom, CV11 4DY4 days NuneatonDebenhams Retail plc, Bridge Street, Nuneaton, 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Redditch Worcestershire, United Kingdom, B97 4HJ4 days RedditchDebenhams Retail plc, 19 Walford Walk, Kingfisher Shopping Centre, Redditch Worcestershire, United Kingdom, B97 4HJ4 days RomfordDebenhams Retail plc, Market Place, Romford, Essex, United Kingdom, RM1 3ET4 days RomfordDebenhams Retail plc, Market Place, Romford, Essex, United Kingdom, RM1 3ET4 days RushmereDebenhams Retail plc, Rushmere Shopping Centre, Central Way, Craigavon, United Kingdom, BT64 1AA4 days RushmereDebenhams Retail plc, Rushmere Shopping Centre, Central Way, Craigavon, United Kingdom, BT64 1AA4 days SalisburyDebenhams Retail plc, 41-44 Blue Boar Row, Salisbury, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SP1 1DE4 days SalisburyDebenhams Retail plc, 41-44 Blue Boar Row, Salisbury, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SP1 1DE4 days ScarboroughDebenhams Retail plc, Brunswick Shopping Centre, Vernon Road, Scarborough North Yorkshire, United Kingdom, YO11 1UE4 days ScarboroughDebenhams Retail plc, Brunswick Shopping Centre, Vernon Road, 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South ShieldsDebenhams Retail plc, Desire By Debenhams, Waterloo Square, South Shields Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom, NE33 1AX4 days SouthportDebenhams Retail plc, 535-563 Lord Street, Southport, Lancashire, United Kingdom, PR
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Centre, Stirling, United Kingdom, FK8 2EE4 days StocktonDebenhams Retail plc, 149 High Street, Stockton On Tees, Teesside, United Kingdom, TS18 1PL4 days StockportDebenhams Retail plc, Touchstone Corner, Princes Street, Stockport Cheshire, United Kingdom, SK1 1TS4 days StocktonDebenhams Retail plc, 149 High Street, Stockton On Tees, Teesside, United Kingdom, TS18 1PL4 days StratfordDebenhams Retail plc, 3-4 Wood Street, Stratford On Avon, Warwickshire, United Kingdom, CV37 6JB4 days StratfordDebenhams Retail plc, 3-4 Wood Street, Stratford On Avon, Warwickshire, United Kingdom, CV37 6JB4 days SunderlandDebenhams Retail plc, The Bridges Shopping Centre, Green Terrace, Sunderland, United Kingdom, SR1 3LB4 days SunderlandDebenhams Retail plc, The Bridges Shopping Centre, Green Terrace, Sunderland, United Kingdom, SR1 3LB4 days SuttonDebenhams Retail plc, St Nicholas Centre, Sutton, Surrey, United Kingdom, SM1 1WA4 days SuttonDebenhams Retail plc, St Nicholas Centre, Sutton, Surrey, United Kingdom, SM1 1WA4 days SwanseaDebenhams Retail plc, 22 The Quadrant, Swansea, West Glamorgan, United Kingdom, SA1 3QX4 days SwanseaDebenhams Retail plc, 22 The Quadrant, Swansea, West Glamorgan, United Kingdom, SA1 3QX4 days SwindonDebenhams Retail plc, The Parade, Swindon, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN1 1BB4 days SwindonDebenhams Retail plc, The Parade, Swindon, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, SN1 1BB4 days TauntonDebenhams Retail plc, 19-26 North Street, Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom, TA1 1LL4 days TauntonDebenhams Retail plc, 19-26 North Street, Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom, TA1 1LL4 days TelfordDebenhams Retail plc, Telford Centre, Telford, Shropshire, United Kingdom, TF3 4DA4 days TelfordDebenhams Retail plc, Telford Centre, Telford, Shropshire, United Kingdom, TF3 4DA4 days The FortDebenhams Retail plc, The Fort Shopping Park, 20 Fort Parkway, Birmingham, United Kingdom, B24 9FP4 days The FortDebenhams Retail plc, The Fort Shopping Park, 20 Fort Parkway, Birmingham, United 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WimbledonDebenhams Retail plc, Centre Court Shopping Centre, 4 Queens Road, Wimbledon London, United Kingdom, SW19 8YD4 days WimbledonDebenhams Retail plc, Centre Court Shopping Centre, 4 Queens Road, Wimbledon London, United Kingdom, SW19 8YD4 days WinchesterDebenhams Retail plc, 12-15 High Street, Winchester, Hampshire, United Kingdom, SO23 9LA4 days WinchesterDebenhams Retail plc, 12-15 High Street, Winchester, Hampshire, United Kingdom, SO23 9LA4 days WitneyDebenhams Retail plc, Desire By Debenhams, 7 Marriotts Walk, Witney Oxfordshire, United Kingdom, OX28 6GW4 days WitneyDebenhams Retail plc, Desire By Debenhams, 7 Marriotts Walk, Witney Oxfordshire, United Kingdom, OX28 6GW4 days WokingDebenhams Retail plc, The Peacocks Centre, Woking, Surrey, United Kingdom, GU21 6GE4 days WokingDebenhams Retail plc, The Peacocks Centre, Woking, Surrey, United Kingdom, GU21 6GE4 days WorcesterDebenhams Retail plc, 69 High Street, Worcester, United Kingdom, WR1 2EN4 days WorcesterDebenhams 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she toldThe Telegraph in 2005 ??That??s why I became a model in the first place”Beverly JohnsonBeverly Johnson was the African American fashion model of the 1970s The first ever African American to grace the cover of Vogue in 1974 and French Elle in 1975 Her firstappearanceson mainstream magazines made a complete difference in the fashion world as publications began seeking out African American models to appear on magazine covers and runways Now Beverly is 59 and starring in a reality show called “Beverly’s Full House” on the Oprah Winfrey Network The show focuses on her relationship with her daughter Anasa Sims who is a former plus size modelKate MossKate Moss the model who brought grunge and “heroin chic” into the modeling industry and ended the supermodel era of the late eighties She’s appeared on every major magazine cover and has modeled in every top campaign including Gucci Dolche and Gabbana and Chanel In 2007 she earned an estimated $9 million She also released an exclusive collection designed by herself with the store TopshopBut Kate is also known for ascandaloustwo stints in rehab once for “exhaustion” in 1998 and the other for cocaine in 1995 A tabloid released photos of Kate snorting a white powder earlier that year and following the photos circulation H&M Chanel and Burberry dropped Kate from their ad campaigns Since the scandal Kate has grown and continues to be afamiliarface on magazine stands She has a daughter and recently married Jamie Hince a guitarist for the KillsTwiggyTwiggy muse to Andy Warhol and the “Face of 1966” according to the Daily Express An English model she brought the British mod look with short hair big eyes and long legs to the US In 1967 an editorial inVogue described her as an “extravaganza that makes the look of the sixties” Twiggy went on to branch herself into music television and movies She has an HSN fashion line called the Twiggy London collection Twiggy now 62 and recently released “Romantically Yours”her first album in 12 yearsJean ShrimptonAnother sixties superstar Jean Shrimpton is considered one of the world’s first supermodels Her big eyes long lashes and lush brown hair was on every magazine cover possible Named “Model of the Year” by Glamour in 1963 Jean continued modeling until she was about thirty She quit fashion and retired from fame In 2011 she told the Guardian “Fashion is full of dark troubled people” she says “It’s a high-pressured environment that takes its toll and burns people out Only the shrewd survive ?C Andy Warhol for example andDavid Bailey”Cindy CrawfordCindy Crawford was on every magazine cover in the 1980s and 90s with her trademark mole Fashion designer Michael Kors describes her influence “Cindy changed the perception of the ??sexy American girl?? from classic blue eyed blonde to a more sultry brunette with brains charm and professionalism to spare” She has posed for Playboy twice launched two furniture lines and has two childrenImanIman was borin in Somalia and discovered by a visiting American photographer She moved to the US in 1976 to begin her modeling career landing a Vogue cover a year later Iman modeled for manyprominenthigh fashion designers such as Versace Donna Karan and Yves Saint-Laurent In 1994 she started her own makeup company catering to ethnic skin tones In 2010 her company earned $25 million a year After the success of her makeup business in 2007 Iman launched her own clothing line with HSN In 2010 Imanreceivedthe prestigious Fashion Icon lifetime achievement award from the Council of Fashion Designers of AmericaHeidi KlumHeidi Klum the supermodel mama needs no introduction She is a Victoria Secret legend cover model and the host and producer of Project Runway which has given many new fashion designers the chance at opening their own brand Heidi hasreceivedseveral Emmy nominations for the show In 2008? 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        ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FIGHT BACK, SUE BREWER
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        The lawsuit said Brewer’s order means federal work permits for the program’s participants won’t be accepted as proof of their legal presence in the country for the purpose of getting a driver’s license. Still, the lawsuit said, the state will accept such a work permit from immigrants who have won deferred deportation status as part of other federal immigration programs.
        The five young immigrants aren’t seeking money damages and instead are asking a judge to bar Arizona from denying driver’s licenses to immigrants who were granted deferred deportation status by the federal government. It seeks class-action status that would let all other young immigrants in Arizona who were granted the deferred-deportation protection join the lawsuit.
        About 11,000 people living in Arizona have applied for the deferred deportation protection under the Obama administration’s policy.

      • ovplomw499 November 29, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

        About Kristina

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        Filed Under on March 28, 2012

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