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He breached out of the horse latitudes in the Great Sea of Politics last spring and destroyed all the lesser whales with his mighty flukes, but now the Democratic Pequod, with its diverse and inclusive crew has vowed to chase him to the ends of the earth until he spouts black blood and rolls dead out. It’s Moby Trump! Skin your eyes for him men (and women, and intersectional non-binary zhes, theys, and hirs)! Do ye see a Bitcoin nailed to yonder mast? It goes to ye who raises me that whale of white privilege!

Who is Ahab in this story? Why The New York Times, of course. Such is the vastness of its pious obsession with the cosmic malignity of Moby Trump, who chomped off Ahab’s limb — fondly known as Hillary — the last time the Pequod set sail. With Jim Comey as Starbuck, the ever-upright Quaker mate, cool, aloof, marinated in rectitude, yet deadly with his lance.

And so the great American tragedy plays out on C-Span.

Remember, though, that in the original tale penned by the loser (never made a buck) Herman Melville, the white whale sank the Pequod in a final, desperate, whorl of vengeance, while Ahab drowned entwined in his own harpoon lines, pinned upon the very hump of his inscrutable quarry. And I alone am left to tell thee….

So much for literary conceits — and hat tip to Bob Dylan for reminding us, in his just released Nobel valedictory, how much the white whale should mean to us. In this bleak and tawdry age of content-less Kardashian trash, there really are latent cosmic storylines, and this saga of Moby Trump is a tragedy that the Republic perhaps can’t bear to hear: exactly how we destroyed ourselves.

The question is, what will remain of the American polity once the mighty Trump is harpooned, flensed, and boiled down to his essential oils? A great evil vacuum, I predict, rather like Melville’s fabled Norway maelstrom. And within it, everything and everyone in the Deep State will be revealed as hollow and ghostlike, mere revenants of our beloved institutions, including the rule of law.

Impeachment is something that hovers just a bit above and beside the law, founded, as it is, on the vague notion of high crimes and misdemeanors — which can mean anything, really, to parties so determined to wield it. The blundering Trump expressed a hope that a dodgy FBI investigation against General Flynn for conversing with the Russian ambassador (really, he talked with an envoy from a foreign land?) might be laid aside. Well, that could just do the trick, according to Jeffrey Toobin of CNN, legal mouthpiece for “the Resistence.”

I confess that I never considered Mr. Trump — or as I’m fond of calling him, the Golden Golem of Greatness — a horse that was going to finish. I predicted after the election that he would be removed from office by hook or by crook inside of a few months. While I do not align with his antagonists, I consider him unfit for the job he won in an ignominious election against a repulsive opponent. He appears simply to not know what he is doing, and that’s pretty scary at this moment in history when, apparently unbeknownst to purveyors of “news,” and the countless factotums of government — from the larval agency clerks to the preening poobahs of congress to the scheming technocrat overlords of the intel matrix — the nation is poised at the rim of a financial clusterfuck that will make the fall of the Roman Empire look like a small business bankruptcy.

In the meantime, watch as a toxic political tide sweeps away the foundations of a two-hundred-odd year experiment in civil order. Six months from now, nobody will trust anyone or anything, and we may easily see a great deal of kinetic lashing out against each other in the ringing, raging confusion of the political vortex we’ve gleefully ventured into.

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302 Responses to “Moby Trump”

  1. bukowskisghost June 9, 2017 at 8:39 am #

    Gregory Peck would have made a marvelous Comey, the quintessential last honest man in Dodge City in a movie like we now have, but in reality is is a self righteous putz. Also of note, he committee looked like a gaggle of failed used car salesmen trying to play grown up cuz it’s showtime…… Trump is the new Sasquatch. They don’t like him because he is anoher species, the new car sales manager that threatens them every Monday before they go out on the sales floor to nurse their hangovers and hustle the rubes.

    • seawolf77 June 9, 2017 at 9:37 am #

      Him or Jimmy Stewart.

      • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 10:58 am #

        And Jesse Ventura was considered for the part of Moby Trump, but was rejected as too erudite….

    • GhostOfHam June 9, 2017 at 3:04 pm #

      “the quintessential last honest man”

      Maybe not.

      What old trades was Kitty into? Oh, that’s right: Alcohol (drugs); gambling; back-room dealing; prostitution and the eye-twinkling lobbying of the of Law, Marshal Mat Dillion. Old Mat sure knew how to look the other way.

      November 16, 2006

      This is the script excerpt from one of my favorite parts of the three-hour BBC documentary The Power Of Nightmares, where the godfather of the Neocons, Leo Strauss, is discussed, along with his favorite TV programs:

      VO: Strauss believed that the liberal idea of individual freedom led people to question everything—all values, all moral truths. Instead, people were led by their own selfish desires. And this threatened to tear apart the shared values which held society together. But there was a way to stop this, Strauss believed. It was for politicians to assert powerful and inspiring myths that everyone could believe in. They might not be true, but they were necessary illusions. One of these was religion; the other was the myth of the nation. And in America, that was the idea that the country had a unique destiny to battle the forces of evil throughout the world. This myth was epitomized, Strauss told his students, in his favorite television program: Gunsmoke.

      Professor STANLEY ROSEN, Pupil of Leo Strauss 1949: Strauss was a great fan of American television. Gunsmoke was his great favorite, and he would hurry home from the seminar, which would end at, you know, 5:30 or so, and have a quick dinner so he could be at his seat before the television set when Gunsmoke came on. And he felt that this was good, this show. This had a salutary effect on the American public, because it showed the conflict between good and evil in a way that would be immediately intelligible to everyone.

      BAD MAN on Gunsmoke: Let’s see what happens!

      JAMES ARNESS: No! [ SHOOTS bad man; bad man DROPS to the ground ]

      ROSEN: The hero has a white hat; he’s faster on the draw than the bad man; the good guy wins. And it’s not just that the good guy wins, but that values are clear. That’s America! We’re gonna triumph over the evils of… of… that are trying to destroy us and the virtues of the Western frontier. Good and evil.

      VO: Leo Strauss’ other favorite program was Perry Mason. And this, he told his students, epitomized the role that they, the élite, had to play. In public, they should promote the myths necessary to rescue America from decay. But in private, they didn’t have to believe in them.

      ROSEN: Perry Mason was different from Gunsmoke. The extremely cunning man who, as far as we can see, is very virtuous and uses his great intelligence and quickness of mind to rescue his clients from dangers, but who could be fooling us—because he’s cleverer than we are. Is he really telling the truth? Maybe his client is guilty!

      This is a fantastic documentary, that, of course, has never been shown on American television. You have no excuse not to watch it, though, as it’s available for free download/watching at archive.org and Google video.


      German-American political philosopher and Plato scholar Leo Strauss was a fervent fan of Gunsmoke. Strauss “had one vice, or rather obsession. He would never miss a Saturday night TV program called Gunsmoke, a western about marshall Matt Dillon in Dodge City, Kansas, and his many exploits. Strauss once said that the situation in the Old West was an excellent representation, unintentional or not, of what Hobbes meant by the state of nature.”[44]


      All this info with the caveat that I have not read Strauss’ books. I have read the 1980’s book by his student Allan Bloom “The Closing of the American Mind” though, and it seems to be on the same footpath as all the secondhand sources for Strauss’ ideas (at least, in public). Paul Wolfowitz was also a student of Bloom’s, so one can trace a little progeny of ideas in high places.

    • hmuller June 9, 2017 at 6:22 pm #

      I see Kathy Bates (recreating her “Misery” character) as the delusional, dangerous, and mercurial Hillary Clinton. “Those deplorable rednecks and Russian agents robbed me of my rightful office.”

  2. Petro June 9, 2017 at 8:48 am #

    I remain puzzled by our host’s continued dismissive posture toward the pre-election business and political links between Trump (and his circle) and Russia—and how they might relate to the election itself and then the subsequent make-up and operation of the administration. We get one- or two-sentence statements (“Really? He talked with an envoy from a foreign land?”) which oversimplify the mess. This seems unusual for JHK. Is it laziness? Does he really think there’s simply nothing there for anyone to be concerned with? For someone who seems to have such a dystopian view of our political/economic/social culture, why this “it’s no big deal” shrug of the shoulders?

    • 100th Avatar June 9, 2017 at 9:39 am #

      Ahab, Menelaus, and Petro: all victims of the MacGuffin.

    • James Howard Kunstler June 9, 2017 at 9:42 am #

      Well, okay, and then what are the exact charges a year into the investigation of “Trump colluded with Russia to hack election?” Nothing really, not even the leak from NSA clerk Reality Winner — every advanced nation on earth plays at penetrating other nations’ computer systems. My “dismissive posture” derives from a suspicion that there has been nothing there all along except a strategem to lure Trump into an obstruction of justice trap. Also, as a still-registered Democrat, I deeply resent the party’s unwillingness to examine its recent past misbehavior and its unwillingness to pay attention the the issues that really matter, especially the perversions of the financial system. — JHK

      • thwack June 9, 2017 at 10:31 am #

        People are so enraged and angered by the election result that they won’t be patient, wait, and let Trump hang himself.

        Instead they are busy trying to frame a guilty man; and making a dogs meal of it.

        Its the O.J Simpson trial all over again.

        • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 11:00 am #

          Mack Daddy

          “If the Meme don’t fit, you must acquit….”

          • thwack June 9, 2017 at 11:53 am #


            If you don’t KNOW if you are a white person?

            you need to STFU regarding all things race.

        • shotho June 9, 2017 at 5:00 pm #

          And, what “people” might that be?

      • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 10:56 am #

        from the larval agency clerks to the preening poobahs of congress to the scheming technocrat overlords of the intel matrix — the nation is poised at the rim of a financial clusterfuck that will make the fall of the Roman Empire look like a small business bankruptcy.

        “To enjoy bodily warmth, some small part of you must be cold, for there is no quality in this world that is not what it is merely by contrast. Nothing exists in itself. If you flatter yourself that you are all over comfortable, and have been so a long time, then you cannot be said to be comfortable any more. For this reason a sleeping apartment should never be furnished with a fire, which is one of the luxurious discomforts of the rich. For the height of this sort of deliciousness is to have nothing but the blanket between you and your snugness and the cold of the outer air. Then there you lie like the one warm spark in the heart of an arctic crystal.”
        ? Herman Melville, Moby-Dick or, The Whale

        There is an upside in this. All that glitters is not gold. This Golden Golem of Greatness may bring on a purge. Perhaps we can enter a future time where not everything goes and perhaps a few things may actually matter.

        Congressional hearings investigating thin air. People want a halftime show in this brouhaha to chase away the boredom and lack of substance. In time the the Democratic Pequods, that diverse and inclusive crew screaming murder without a body might actually expose themselves for the out of touch fools they are. Sadly they must bore us much longer for that to happen.

        The education of idiots is not an easy thing. Not yet will there be an epiphany. Our white whale must pull the congressional whaleboat on a long and merry chase through seas of foaming froth before the Congressional Pequod Crew is seen for the unskilled pikers they are. For that to happen the rope that pulls them must be seen as being made of twisted fibers of hate and northing more. Right now Trumps collusion with Russia, whatever that is or means, is still taken as an article of faith. An article that needs a deep harpooning. That will take time.

        The new media plays clips of John McCain talking. A desperate search for substance where there is none to be found. The word for that is pathetic. They would do better with a halftime show.

        • sprawlcapital June 9, 2017 at 11:34 am #

          I was a chemistry major, not English, so someone needs to help me. Is all this metaphor, or does it rise to the level of allegory? Anyway, good work, JHK, dog, and several other commenters

          Also, I think it’s time for John McCain to resign from the Senate. Yesterday he was confusing Trump with Comey and otherwise not conducting a coherent line of questioning.

          • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 12:21 pm #

            Remember, though, that in the original tale penned by the loser (never made a buck) Herman Melville,

            Interesting because I have seen Trump in an interview very clearly advocate that the measure of a man is his ability to make money and nothing else matters. Holding that attitude shows two things about a man. Firstly that the man is not very smart, and secondly that such a man is dangerous. The attitude is an intelligence test. Perhaps the primordial slime in the brainpan of 60% of men finds no higher a water mark. The remaining 40% regarding holding such an attitude akin to being a knuckle dragger with an ever decreasing percentile of men refining the idea that there is more to being a man than just being able to get the green.

            So a basic intelligence test is revealed. A secret handshake of the intelligent. I wish it could be more than that but numbers do matter and those willing to make a buck at any cost outnumber those who see a higher dimension to life. Further those converted by useful idiots who would have you believe that money does not matter at all are had for lunch by our omnipresent money seeking culture. Maelstroms of useful idiots lie between the bottom 40% and a refined and comfortable percentile. A comfortable percentile who ironically is able to get a bit more than an average pile of green. Ponder that irony, it is an equation with a solution.

            sprawlcapital – metaphor allegory, I don’t know I’m an engineer. I just do it. But Melville is apropos. The Pequod represents America in the story. I believe that is a metaphor. Meleville explored the identity of America in his novels and lanced at its absurdity.

            I personally like his “Metaphysic of Indian-Hating” in his last novel before he gave it all up and worked for a living. “The Confidence Man” is the book.

          • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 12:54 pm #

            Consider ‘John Moredock’ a character in the confidence man. A man who did not have the luck of a Trump.

            “At one time the colonel was a member of the territorial council of Illinois, ends at the formation of the state government, was pressed to become candidate for governor, but begged to be excused. And, though he declined to give his reasons for declining, yet by those who best knew him the cause was not wholly unsurmised. In his official capacity he might be called upon to enter into friendly treaties with Indian tribes, a thing not to be thought of. And even did no such contingency arise, yet he felt there would be an impropriety in the Governor of Illinois stealing out now and then, during a recess of the legislative bodies, for a few days’ shooting at human beings, within the limits of his paternal chief-magistracy. If the governorship offered large honors, from Moredock it demanded larger sacrifices. These were incompatibles. In short, he was not unaware that to be a consistent Indian-hater involves the renunciation of ambition, with its objects — the pomps and glories of the world; and since religion, pronouncing such things vanities, accounts it merit to renounce them, therefore, so far as this goes, Indian-hating, whatever may be thought of it in other respects, may be regarded as not wholly without the efficacy of a devout sentiment.'”

            I’ll dedicate that passage to Janos our hater of all things which not white troll.

            The John Moredock character was motivated by the same evils that motivated Captain Ahab, raw and convenient hate. The same evil Trump considers to be the greatness of America. This makes Trump an evil and dangerous man.

            Moredock’s ambition is blocked by his hate and Ahab is doomed by his. Being a serial killer, even a socially acceptable one at the time does put a cramp one’s career as it did Moredock’s in the story. Ahab in his blind passion will destroy a ship and crew to kill Moby Dick. Driven by small hands. The monomaniacal drive to exterminate consumed them both as it must in time, destroy America.

          • GreenAlba June 10, 2017 at 5:53 am #

            ‘Interesting because I have seen Trump in an interview very clearly advocate that the measure of a man is his ability to make money and nothing else matters.’

            I agree. I am also frustrated by the lack of distinction between ‘earning’ money and ‘making’ it. I realise there are crossovers both in the verbal distinction and the reality, but basically I respect people who *earn* money, whether they’re a carpenter or a neurosurgeon, and not those who just *make* it, especially in the obvious and widespread case where it is the money that *makes* more money rather than its owner that earns it.
            Even the routine idea of money *earning* interest is dubious – generally someone somewhere is working to *earn* that interest for the owner of the capital, who is just having more money *made* for him/her.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 9:50 am #


            rentier noun [ C ] UK ? /?r?n.ti.e?/ US ? /r???n?tje?/ formal mainly disapproving
            a person whose money comes from investments and who therefore does not have to work: the rentier class

            Wikipedia: Rentier capitalism is a Marxist term currently used to describe the belief in economic practices of monopolization of access to any (physical, financial, intellectual, etc.) kind of property, and gaining significant amounts of profit without contribution to society.

      • Petro June 9, 2017 at 11:11 am #

        Aargh… I feared my observation would be interpreted in such a way as to mark me as some sort of Russia-obsessed, Hillary/Dem partisan. Nothing could be further from the truth. I just didn’t want to load up my comment with a bunch of qualifiers.

        I suspect that in a real conversation with most people here (except Janos, haha), including our host, we’d be in 90% agreement. I did not support either major party candidate in November. Both parties disgust me, and both serve their billionaire/corporate donors. My country appalls me, and I consider myself a sort of internal exile. With its continual bullying, political meddling, arms trading, and outright war & mayhem perpetuated against the rest of the world, the US is a kind of outlaw nation, and at home in serious social decline. I believe every president since Jimmy Carter was a candidate for impeachment or indictment for violating the Constitution and or/war crimes. Much of the Russia “thing” could very well be exaggerated and the NSA, FBI, and CIA, et al. are not to be trusted. Maybe if you were to watch a few episodes of Jimmy Dore, you might get a sense of where I sit.

        While evidence of Russian election “interference” (whatever that means exactly) is almost non-existent to the general public, and may not exist at all, my main point was that there is plenty to work with in terms of the business ties and debt obligations between many of Trump’s people and businessmen, bankers, and political figures in Russia. Things that go way beyond if Russians may have leaked some documents embarrassing to Democrats before the election. I thought this might serve as a rich vein for JHK to tap in developing a picture of international corruption and perfidy, and how it may all play into falling off the precipice which he refers to in today’s piece. These things are all frequent topics for him.

        But he gets to write about what he wants.

        • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 11:34 am #


          Again, what is the point of speculating about possible business links without evidence? There is much more evidence about Clinton, I hear, so why aren’t they after her? This is an obsession with Trump without any evidence (ie *nothing at all*), as far as I can see from a distance. Like all these things if there really were any evidence we’d never, ever hear the end of it.

          • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 11:39 am #

            The point is, it’s this person’s job to keep the Russians narrative alive.
            It’s not just this blog, they are all over the Internet.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

          In other words, you believe in “Man” and think America is a Universal Nation. But by definition, a Nation is not universal (check the etymology). What you want is something far more bland – a “country” (check the etymology). And such things don’t last since there’s no glue to hold them together. Most African nations are countries. And that’s what you want for America – to make it an empire without an empire, conquered by its economically conquered. Thus you are the Enemy of the Free and of Free Men everywhere.

          • GreenAlba June 10, 2017 at 6:30 am #

            ‘And such things don’t last since there’s no glue to hold them together. Most African nations are countries. And that’s what you want for America – to make it an empire without an empire, conquered by its economically conquered. Thus you are the Enemy of the Free and of Free Men everywhere.’

            When I read your posts I am always reminded of the vile founding myths recreated and promoted by a certain Austrian-born murderous menace in the 1930s.

            All empires over-extend themselves and collapse. Every last one.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 9:59 am #

            That’s not how you deal with Janos; he’ll take your comparing him with Hitler as a compliment. Yes, he’s that depraved. There’s little profit to be had from taking him on — you’ll just get his fluids on you. But if you wish to, it’s best to do so by sticking up positively for facts and principles.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 2:03 pm #

            Japan has lasted for thousands of years and may last thousands more. Why? Because they are a Nation, not a country. Ethnic homogeneity is strength; ethnic diversity is weakness. In contrast, Western Europe is finished and America doesn’t have another century. Why? Because we are countries now, not nations.

            That Britain gave up its Empire won’t save her since she brought diversity home. Ditto America and her economic empire. Did Hitler say this? Does that make it untrue? Did he also believe 2+2=4? Does that make it untrue? Stop being so silly.

      • Helix June 9, 2017 at 1:21 pm #

        There should be an “upvote” button in here somewhere…

        • GreenAlba June 10, 2017 at 6:30 am #

          ‘There should be an “upvote” button in here somewhere…’

          I’m upvoting your comment…

    • Piper Michael June 9, 2017 at 10:08 am #

      I would submit, that you have been induced into a democratic version of the madness of crowds syndrome. Every president elect, and their envoys, plays host to MANY ENVOYS from many countries during the “TRANSITION” to the next administration. They have ALL done it, it is normal, and in our case, necessary, since, if you haven’t forgotten the Black Caesar was pushing this country into a war with Russia, and The Establishment still is. It is only the Last Trump who had the common sense to want to TALK to Russia.
      As far as Russia hacking the election, the smoke has been emanating from the media, “THERE BE THE RUSSIANS”.
      James, is finally showing his good sense to try to calm this thing down, if such a thing is possible.
      Take it from an old Vietnam vet, once you loose the dogs, you have no control which way they run…

      • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:27 am #

        I suspect Petro is well aware of this.

      • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 11:38 am #

        Exactly, the madness of crowds. Everyone knew about this as far back as 1895 (Le Bon’s Psychology of Crowds) and beyond but it always applies to other people and other times, never to themselves. There is a simple test always: where is the evidence?

        • Petro June 9, 2017 at 11:56 am #

          Okay, Guys… whatever. You’re willfully ignoring what it is I’m trying to say here. Like with religious zealots, there’s just no arguing or discussing with Trump apologists or Clinton apologists. You get nowhere.

          And Sean Coleman, re. speculation? Are you kidding? At least half of what is written here every week is speculation. If you don’t think so, you’re kidding yourself.

          • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 12:25 pm #


            I enjoy the speculation but why do you share the obsession with trying to find something to stick on Trump? At least that is what it seems.

          • shotho June 9, 2017 at 5:06 pm #

            Speculation, yep! That’s why it’s so much fun.
            Religious Zealot

          • VCS June 9, 2017 at 5:13 pm #

            Again, Petro, you articulate my own thoughts and feelings. And yes, people here are willfully ignoring what you say.

            Massive circumstantial evidence does not constitute proof, but it does indicate need for active investigation.

            For many Trumpists, their (fully justified) hatred of HRC/Obama/Dems blinds them and manifests in grotesque and frightening ways.

            And many here seem caught up in intellectual preening and oneupsmanship. Despite all their literary and historical references, their arguments tend to be snarky and shallow.

            But you said it best — “there’s just no arguing or discussing with Trump apologists or Clinton apologists. You get nowhere.”

        • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 1:26 pm #

          Thousands of ruined lives and anuses in the case of Pedophiles in the Church. But you don’t accept the evidence, preferring your little theories about extraverts. Perhaps I will pen a book entitled, “The Madness of Introverts”.

          • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm #

            How many Pedos were or are in the church?

            You didnt believe ‘TimeNewsweek’–did you?

          • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm #

            Countless. It’s a job made in heaven/hell for them.

          • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 5:37 pm #


            “But you don’t accept the evidence, preferring your little theories”

            Let’s try once again. You have it the wrong way round. The evidence does not support the witch-hunts.

            Media reports are not evidence in such cases, indeed as JHK says, they are not evidence in most things by now.

            Uncorroborated allegations are not evidence, especially when large amounts of compensation are involved. (I understand that in the initial Boston case against Fr Paul Shanley, who ministered to the gays too enthusiastically, that pay-outs (on decades-old allegations based on recovered memories) were half a million dollars, although greed is not the primary motivation, which is rather simply irrational. By the way, I bet you never read any of the links I provided in this case, otherwise you wouldn’t be making this argument.)

            ‘There’s no smoke without fire’ or ‘everybody knows they are guilty’ are not evidence.

            Try to resist the urge to make sweeping statements like this without first making even a basic attempt to reach the facts. The real ones are usually buried under a light dusting of topsoil, or (more commonly) the fake ones can easily be spotted.

            And (and this is a general point to the blog) that advice applies to all conspiracy theories and witch-hunts, including the present one against President Trump.

            I have had quite a few online arguments with people who get very indignant. When I insist in asking for facts they respond with generalized assertion and opinion, or they change the subject, or they try to go on the attack. In the end they shut up, but I never get any evidence. Funny that.

            There is obviously a psychological dynamic here where people are incapable of countenancing anything that challenges their deepest beliefs, even if these beliefs are clearly a fantasy and often comical. Now when millions do it, what term best describes it?

          • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 6:25 pm #

            “The Madness of Introverts” – one of the interesting things here is that extraverts fuel the social media hysteria but the most incisive and devastating critics of conventional wisdom are almost invariably also extraverts (which raises (but not begs) the question as to what introverts are ‘for’). I believe our host is an extravert as is yourself, and indeed as are most people on this blog and all blogs.

            Conventional wisdom has it that Carl Jung, who either invented extraversion and introversion as labels (or the German equivalents) or is widely credited as having done so, was an introvert. I believe he was an extravert, yet his insights were stunning. There used to be a YouTube video of an interview he gave when he was getting very old and where he spoke about his childhood (the video was later taken down). One of the things he said was that he was not fully conscious of himself as being a separate person or separate mind (as I remember) until he was perhaps 12 years old. I was intensely aware of who I was at least as early as seven years old because I resolved to remember that this was me and that years later I would never be allowed to escape from the fact that this seven-year-old was me.

            The exceptionally good-looking Canadian-German psychologist and criminologist Julie Shaw, whose Memory Illusion includes a fascinating experiment in which she successfully implanted wholly false memories of having committed criminal acts in student volunteers (the rest of the book however I found dull), is also an introvert although in a German-language interview the studio audience described her as an extravert. This all makes fairly good sense to me and my little theories.

            In the introduction to her book she writes, “Like many others, I first noticed my ability to introspect when I was a child. I remember lying awake for hours as a little girl unable to fall asleep, because I was so engrossed in thought. Lying on the top bunk of my bed I would press the soles of my feet againt the white ceiling of my room and reflect on the meaning of life. Who am I? What am I? What is real?”

            John, Paul, George and Ringo travelled to an ashram in India in an attempt to learn who they were. An introvert doesn’t have to get out of bed to do this.

            Look her up and I bet you will find her attractive. I, however, can appreciate her beauty but I could never fancy her. This is Dorothy Rowe’s insight: opposites invariably attract.

            Here’s an interesting thing. What do Hillary, Teresa May and Margaret Thatcher (but not Angela) have in common, apart from the obvious thing? And what do Trump, Obama, Cameron, Blair and practically every prominent male politician in living memory have in common? What did Hillary lack against Trump? Nobody could put their finger on it, although they had a woolly idea of course. How big a role did Angela’s extraversion play in her extraordinary decision of September 2015 following a brief but intense outburst of hysteria on the social media?

            Anyhow, this is not that relevant to mass delusions. These can be demonstrated by evidence. It is interesting that while I was reading up on witch-hunts (on the late Richard Webster’s Sceptical Essays website) it had never occurred to me that the Savile case was another one. It was only by chance that I looked at it. Webster himself had got deeply interested in Norman Cohn’s research into mediaeval millenarianism when his literary agent suggested that he do a brief investigation about the North Wales children’s home scare. But why, he replied, would I look at a case of real abuse (for so had it been reported in the respectable press) instead of false one, a witch hunt? You see, they are very hard to spot when you are in the middle of one, even if you know what to look for.

            Finally, my reference to the ‘respectable press’. Witch-hunts are driven from the top down. It is the very people who, because of their education and responsibility, should be suspicious of the latest scare stories but who actually drive them and who do all the damage, not ordinary people as is commonly believed. With this in mind it is easier to diagnose contemporary insanity in the media, politics and academia (the very people who gave us political correctness, the meta-fantasy of our day).

          • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 2:16 pm #

            Your binary of introvert/extrovert has come to double for you as good/evil and true/false – as if introverts can’t get things wrong or be bad. Or get things wrongs because they prefer their own illusions to the reality that other people have experienced. Lack of compassion is a danger on your path, one that you have obviously fallen into.

            Some of us don’t find the binary that useful. In other words, were introverted in some situations and extraverted in others. Most people on all blogs are extraverts? I thought extraverts didn’t care about ideas? Shouldn’t they be playing ball, making money, or running for office? Can we translate that into “Most people on all blogs don’t believe in my theories and are thus extraverts and subject to hysteria – and thus my enemies.” Isn’t that a bit more like it, Sean?

            I am or was an INTP – the rarest of human types. But yes, very extraverted in some situations. Thus the modality doesn’t hold me – I’m greater than any system. As are many people. My friend who is obsessed with Myers Briggs said I traded my P for a J about 15 years ago as I became a White Nationalist. A natural transformation: I am no longer content just to observe but now I judge what I observe and wish to use my knowledge for good.

          • Sean Coleman June 10, 2017 at 7:01 pm #

            I didn’t discover it, Janos. You can credit Jung with describing it in detail. Rowe’s insight is that every couple has an extravert and an introvert. I have never come across an exception. There is no in between position. The lady (an American) who came up with the Briggs Myers test was clever. She read biographies to determine people’s position. With the internet it is much, much easier as you can see and hear them. I doubt anybody else has done this.

            Rowe says of introverts (she is one) that they all have a theory of how the world works. Often these theories are wrong and stupid.

            Your finding that I lack compassion is interesting. Introverts come across that way to extraverts. Do you think I am not compassionate because I object to innocent people being persecuted in witch-hunts? How does that work?

            Everyone can be imprisoned by fantasies. It is not easy to break out of them (so I understand – I don’t claim to be free of them). As I keep saying one clear symptom is an aversion to evidence.

            In his precocious 1969 book The Neophiliacs journalist (and Jungian scholar, and extravert) Christopher Booker examines the mysterious rise of the Swinging Sixties in England in terms of a five-scale fantasy cycle. I think it is the best explanation I have seen so far. He equates fantasy with evil. I don’t know if I’d go that far but I think I know what he means.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 1:27 pm #

        No, he’s not. He doesn’t like Trump so he wants him to be guilty of something so he can be gotten rid of – the Will of the People be damned.

      • Helix June 9, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

        The Democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot over the “Russia hacked the election” story. The fact that no mention of exactly how they supposedly influenced the election has been put forth, not to mention no evidence being presented, has not escaped the more discerning members of the electorate. Or even the normally intelligent ones who are paying attention. With all the real problems that need to be addressed, the fact that the party is pushing what is self-evidently a tale told by idiots is inflicting severe damage on the party’s credibility among a very important constituency.

        Five million fewer voters voted for Hillary than voted for Obama in 2008. I’m guessing that most of those 5 million simply stayed home, not being able to vote in good conscience for either major party candidate. If the Democrats keep it up, I predict another 5 million sitting out the 2020 election as well.

        • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 2:12 pm #

          The Democratic party developed an elite who does not give their base the credit of discernment. This elite holds all in disdain so repeating a lie often enough to make it so is not an issue for them. They believe their own stories even though they make them up. It works better that way, so why should not you believe too the thinking goes.

          • Helix June 9, 2017 at 5:45 pm #

            Uhhh… because they have presented no evidence whatsoever to back up their claim. Nor have they stated exactly what kind of meddling occurred. So when I add to the story not even making sense really…

            The problem with the “big lie” thesis is that it only works so many times before people just don’t believe it any more. I guess I’ve gotten to that point. And have no respect for anyone who tries to keep this story front and center. It’s long past time to either put up or shut up, but these people seem determined to do neither.

        • ffkling June 10, 2017 at 12:34 am #

          Oh yeah, Helix and fellow Republican apologist, K-Dog. The Trump true believers saw him as the ultimate mastermind. They perceived the man’s every move, every word uttered, every breath taken as a masterful move to crush his opponents and implement a plan well beyond the comprehension of mere mortals. The master 4-D chess player, hell 12-D chess player.
          Nowadays, the bright bulbs of this collection of idiots have just shut up, hoping nobody else remembers their Trump boot licking. However, some idiots are still too stupid to see they were duped by a hustler, or they will do the idiot thing of doing anything to save face. These folks will be the loyal indentured servants of those with two brain cells to rub together.
          You remind me of the person who got left in a crappy divorce who cannot stop obsessing over their ex. EVERYTHING in their life is defined by what their ex did, what their ex is doing, etc…
          Trump is now in the WH. Replying to any criticism of Trump’s stupidity with this tired shit about Hillary, Obama, and crew is how children debate and argue.

          • GreenAlba June 10, 2017 at 7:06 am #

            As a non-American I tend to agree.
            Regarding Russia, I don’t have a problem with rapprochement between two powerful nations, as long as it isn’t just about the collusion of powerful men and their business interests. Putin has allegedly acquired or appropriated around $40 billion. Being friendly to ‘Russia’ is one thing – that Trump, as someone who himself aspires to muzzling the democratic (albeit not blameless) press, is cosying up to a man who has members of the Russian press simply eliminated if they get too close to his operations, is more than worrying.

            Trump is a horror show, but I think it would be better to avoid tenuous reasons to try to impeach him. It would be seriously counter-productive to give his already-angry followers a martyr. It would be more instructive to leave him long enough to show them that he cannot perform economic miracles and bring back dead industries.

            From the perspective of someone in the UK, my main worry is that a man-child and general ignoramus, who lacks any kind of insight, has the nuclear codes.

          • cbeard June 10, 2017 at 7:07 am #

            I’m not a Trump true believer. I did vote for him in the primary and general election. He is a narcissistic idiot. He was elected because the Democrats nominated one of, if not the most hated woman in America. The Trump win was a giant thumb in the eye of traditional politicians. The Trump stance on immigration is the main reason he won. His take on the economy, advocating growth is a fools errand. Growth, I’m sick of hearing the goddamned word. The world is growing itself to death and if the world population is not somehow stabilized it is not going to be pretty. Again, Trump won by his stance on immigration. I am a total pessimist concerning anything of any rational nature being done to control population growth. It will take world war, famine, natural or man made disaster to make any difference. I wasn’t duped by anyone. I voted for Trump in order to throw an wrench in the spokes. Sometimes you have to tear it all down and start over.

        • sophia June 11, 2017 at 3:03 pm #

          They don’t mention it because the leaked emails showed Hillary and her campaign for the criminal they are. Whoever it was, it was a whistleblower who did the American public a favor. Everything is getting turned on its head. The demographic that would support Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are now suddenly against having dirty secrets revealed?

      • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 2:05 pm #

        Milk chocolate Caesar.

    • zizzybalooba June 9, 2017 at 12:43 pm #

      Please, JHK is on target as is Alan Dershowitz…

      “I write this short op-ed as Comey finishes his testimony. I think it is important to put to rest the notion that there was anything criminal about the president exercising his constitutional power to fire Comey and to request – “hope” – that he let go the investigation of General Flynn. Just as the president would have had the constitutional power to pardon Flynn and thus end the criminal investigation of him, he certainly had the authority to request the director of the FBI to end his investigation of Flynn….”


  3. Pucker June 9, 2017 at 8:52 am #

    Whatever happened to The Anthony Weiner Laptop?

    • seawolf77 June 9, 2017 at 9:38 am #

      He’s wanking on it now.

    • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm #

      Are you stating this is theater to protect the Clintons?

  4. robert magill June 9, 2017 at 8:59 am #

    A little off topic…or is it?

    How All This Mess Got Started

    It seems reasonable to assume any major species that has survived intact for, say, a million years has followed and obeyed whatever life pathways it was designed for. This must include suitable environment, food sources, predation defense and reproduction matters. If no other factors were present would we not presume the human species was subject to the same forces and limits throughout our early development?

    So what happened? How did a species spend millennia behaving as all others must do and then become in a few thousand years the scourge of an entire planet?

    • thwack June 9, 2017 at 10:17 am #

      It turned white?


      I’ll get my coat.

      • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 11:05 am #

        Mack Daddy,

        Clever, you hit that soft-ball out of the park.

      • sophia June 11, 2017 at 3:10 pm #

        I hope you are not serious. If we blame whiteness, rather than human piggheadedness, to use a very kind word, we will only be in for a repeat. Whites are not the first empire, not the first enslavers, not the first to destroy environments, etc. It just happened to be our turn recently. And now we’re going down.

        • thwack June 11, 2017 at 10:01 pm #

          Relax Sophia, you know I had to take that easy lay up

    • RocketDoc June 9, 2017 at 10:55 am #

      Making things better for me had the unfortunate effect of making things worse for you….

    • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 11:43 am #

      I don’t go along with this ‘species’ malarkey: environment, reproduction and (my favourite) ‘food sources’. It sounds like a script from Star Trek.

    • Helix June 9, 2017 at 1:31 pm #

      It’s called “agriculture”.

    • Ken Hall June 9, 2017 at 4:10 pm #

      ” How did a species spend millennia behaving as all others must do and then become in a few thousand years the scourge of an entire planet?”

      Via evolutionary processes resulting in highly intelligent Homo sapiens which enable exponential population growth of now said humans and consequent exponential consumption of spaceship Earth’s resources.

      As Professor Brian Cox (University of Manchester) speculated in Fall 2016 “One solution to the Fermi paradox is that it is not possible to run a world that has the power to destroy itself and that needs global collaborative solutions to prevent that.” additionally “It may be that the growth of science and engineering inevitably outstrips the development of political expertise, leading to disaster.”

      • Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 6:36 pm #

        Had he been born a generation earlier Cox would have ended up in the Monkees. He is another sucker for AGW. In your quote he says that the problems require global collaborative solutions. In my opinion one should start from his emotional need for global collaborative solutions (as it is an important part of the pc fantasy) and he finds the appropriate problems to satisfy it.

        • Ken Hall June 10, 2017 at 3:34 pm #

          Is the “Monkees” reference an attempted put down of a young man who played the keyboards for the Northern Irish pop group D:Ream while pursuing his BS, Ph.M and Ph.D in Physics and High Energy Physics, completing his doctoral thesis in 1997 the year subsequent to to the dissolution of D:Ream? Less than 10 years later he was one of the LHC physicists working on the ATLAS particle detector experiment one of the four detectors on the LHC main high energy counter rotating beams.

          Are you seriously proposing that a man with the intellectual capacity and curiosity to become a main player within the LHC community is going to be a sucker for AGW? I would propose that all of the scientific nay sayers who blather on about the inanity of AWG are the “suckers”

          • Sean Coleman June 10, 2017 at 7:12 pm #

            You can be very clever and still fall for AGW. It is a mass delusion. I was reading the introduction tp the late Richard Webster’s amazing investigation into the North Wales children’s homes witch-hunt (The Secret of Bryn Estyn) and he makes the point that witch-hunts (or in this case mass delusions) are not (as is generally thought) started by the common masses but (throughout history including the original witch-hunts in the Protestant countries of the 16th C)by the educated and those in positions of power and influence. They genuinely believe them.

            I will have to look up Cox’s deeds and statements in relation to AGW to see how he has conducted himself. On what I have seen of him so far he came across as just another sucker.

            I didn’t realize he had been in a pop group. That doesn’t raise my opinion of him though I never heard his group. Perhaps they were good.

          • Sean Coleman June 11, 2017 at 9:24 am #

            Here is Cox on an Australian discussion programme:


            Senator Malcolm Roberts is persuasive in rebutting Cox’s arguments. Notice how the audience all try to laugh Roberts out of it.

          • Sean Coleman June 11, 2017 at 9:37 am #

            Cox’s argument rested on a waving a couple of graphs, which Roberts disputed, and citing data, which Roberts also rightly disputed.

            On the data, a cursory web search throws up this:


            There is doubtless much more out there.

            There is little reason to put any more faith in the evidence produced by the AGW industry than in that supplied that President Trump colluded with Russia in perverting the election.

            If you look into these things in any depth (as I have done) you will discover a pattern where evidence is systematically manipulated.

          • sophia June 11, 2017 at 4:00 pm #

            Here are my questions about CO2:

            1. How to explain how life thrived during the huge variation of CO2 levels in the past 600 million years? (Google it, CO2 levels were 5-7,000 ppm for much of it.)

            2. Why the coincidence that with CO2 levels varying by a factor of 25X the only acceptable level happens to be the very one that existed at the first moment humans could measure it?
            3. Seeing that CO2 is a gas necessary to life, what level of CO2 becomes too low?
            4. Since I have read that that level is about 150 ppm, was it frightening that it got as low as 180 at the end of the last glaciation?
            5. Seeing that plants only grow most optimally at around 1200 ppm, and that CO2 levels have been that high and much higher throughout most of the last 600 million years, could we assume that higher CO2 levels are the norm and even desirable?
            6. Seeing that we are in panic about going from 0.03 pmm to 0.04 ppm, and that even the climate scientists do not attribute all of it to humans, and seeing that we are carbon based life forms and that carbon is one of the 5 most common elements in the solar system if not the galaxy, and taking point #1 into account, should we assume that the life system of Gaia has such a tight lab value for CO2 rather than a larger range? And that all feedbacks from water vapor will be positive rather than balancing?

      • wet dog June 9, 2017 at 7:49 pm #

        “It may be that the growth of science and engineering inevitably outstrips the development of political expertise, leading to disaster.”

        That was one of the central themes of Battlestar Galactica. Adama and his son discussing just that while on the savannah.

        The native peoples somehow maintained balance with the world. They had a better idea of how to be stewards, and not exploiters. Not to look at other animals, and plants, as resources to exploit, but to have real relationships with them. To have a responsibility for their well-being.

        Derrick Jensen discussed this in-depth in his Endgame series.

      • aibohphobia June 10, 2017 at 4:13 pm #

        We set out to invent artificial intelligence, but got ‘artificial stupidity’ instead….

  5. Elrond Hubbard June 9, 2017 at 9:02 am #

    The fight over the Trump presidency is just another example of the American political system functioning the way it was designed to function: ambition countering ambition. The ambiguity of “high crimes and misdemeanors” is intentional in that respect. The system has always relied on compromise and horse-trading in order to function, but it has now evolved itself into a corner where that just doesn’t work anymore. The Democrats have colonized the territory that used to belong to Republicans (pro-business, deficit hawkery, etc.) while the Republicans have disappeared down a hole of ideological extremism and declared their sole purpose to be scorched-earth rejectionism so long as they were not in power. By neutralizing any possible alternatives to their left who might have actually earned them renewed popular support, the Dems shot themselves in the foot and left the door open for the opportunistic turkey who is now gobbling away in the Oval Office.

    Frankly, the American system lacks the flexibility of parliamentary systems where a leader who runs afoul of events will actually resign (think David Cameron), or be replaced by their party, If their position becomes untenable. In the U.S., an untenable president stays president until his opponents take the most extreme measures to drive him out. That tends to stress the system to its limits, or possibly beyond — as we are seeing now.

    As for James Comey, he strikes me as an honest enough public servant. Yes, he was head of the FBI, so surely he knows where quite a few bodies are buried. But I get the impression he understands what civic virtue actually is. It was his fortune to have the job during a season of political turbulence, and he found himself between the kraken and the whale. He could have done a lot of damage to Hillary Clinton during the election over her privatized e-mail server (and she would have deserved it), but not without doing serious damage to the polity which he wasn’t willing to do. In the end, the voters disposed of her.

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  6. SteveO June 9, 2017 at 9:07 am #

    Love him or hate him, “the Golden Golem of Greatness” or the “Twit-In-Chief” isn’t going anywhere unless he decides that the job of president was too hard (who knew?).

    The war chief of tribe House Republican will never allow articles of impeachment to be considered. Even if by some distortion of reality it happened, the ancient tortoise that presides over the Senate along with his equally tribal minions, will not remove said Golden one from office.

    The newest and most watched reality show of the 21st century- “the Presidential Apprentice” – will continue. Who will get the rose this week? Who will be voted off the island? Tune in tonight, same bat-time, same bat-channel.

  7. FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 9:14 am #

    The fabulous track record of American intellectuals predicting the fate of the great nations

    Russia Is Finished

    The unstoppable descent of a once great power into social catastrophe and strategic irrelevance


  8. venuspluto67 June 9, 2017 at 9:25 am #

    As of 2016, we really have entered into what I now call an Age of Special Crapulence.

  9. Walter B June 9, 2017 at 9:33 am #

    A well spun tale Jim Boy, argh. However methinks that Jim Comey is better suited to play the witless deck boy that catches the crumbling mast, if my memory serves me correctly. Starbuck, the lone survivor, would be best played by Hillary, who once she gets back to shore is able to take HER TURN at last. Throw in Ray Mabus as a running mate, add in a gasping, gurgling early demise of Her Highness after she is sworn in and even Nostradamus cheers wildly as the final act unfolds. No matter what you feel about how all of this bullshit is playing out or will actually play out, it is certainly more entertaining than Survivor or Dancing With the Stars. Perhaps that is their intent, no?

    • James Howard Kunstler June 9, 2017 at 9:46 am #

      Walter B–
      Starbuck was not a survivor. Only Ishmael.

      • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 10:23 am #

        Like 100 says, “Call me Ismael”, duh. I plead distracted rather than stupid, but perhaps it is too late for that. In any case, please do not let my error take away from the thought that Her Highness may yet be the lone survivor. I run into far too many people that still discount every accusation against her and will be chomping at the bit to vote for in 3-1/2 years. Heck, SHE may even BE the Great White Whale.

        • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:30 am #

          Judging by her recent public appearances, I really don’t think she’ll last that long.
          That is not a well woman.

          • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 10:59 am #

            A valid point, but true Evil never dies. Look at Dirty Dick Cheney.

        • Helix June 9, 2017 at 12:53 pm #

          Hillary has NO CHANCE of being elected. On election day 2020, Hillary will be 73 years old. Furthermore, she couldn’t even beat Donald Trump this time, and next time, assuming he’s still president, he’ll be the incumbent.

          The fact that she might even consider a bid next time ’round speaks to the dismal state of leadership in the Democratic party. Which is truly pathetic, because the Republican Party has left the middle wide open. That the Democrats haven’t stepped into this gaping void shows just how bankrupt the party’s thinking is.

          And finally, the usual rhetoric is ringing hollow, and everyone except the politicians and their media mouthpieces knows it. When someone who talks straight steps up, he/she will win by a landslide. That ain’t Hillary. And that ain’t Trump either.

          • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 3:43 pm #

            All of your point are valid, however consider this:

            On election day 2020 Donald Trump will be 74.

            There are many on all sides that are working hard right now to remove him from office before his first year is even halfway over.

            If Mr. Trump is eliminated the other choices on the Donkey side are all crap.

            The pachyderms lack the testicles to stand up against the Clintons for fear of their very lives. If she still lives and wants to run no one will stop her.

            There is no one that is straight, honest decent or anything but another sellout to step up anyway. The are all sellout scum.

            The very possibility that She rears her ugly head up again is vile to me and frightening at the same time, for the Sheeple are mindless and capable of any form of stupidity possible. Yes Donald Trump did in fact defeat her and I was not only shocked but unbelievably happy to see her sent packing, but until she is incarcerated or otherwise disposed of I shall consider Her not only a threat, but public enemy #1.

    • 100th Avatar June 9, 2017 at 9:53 am #

      Jeezischrise man! it’s the first sentence of the story

      Call me nonplussed

    • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 11:08 am #

      “that Jim Comey is better suited to play the witless deck boy ”

      Little Roy, the Cabin Boy,
      That filthy little nipper….

  10. Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 9, 2017 at 9:35 am #

    OKAY, sooo I was inspired by Comey to write a high class parody song yesterday. It is based on a Gilbert and Sullivan song. I hope you like it!

    I Am The Very Model of A Modern Sneaky Bureaucrat
    A G and S Parody Song by Squeeky Fromm

    I am the very model of a modern sneaky bureaucrat,
    I use confusing rhetoric to hide I’m just an empty hat,
    And in the “Swamp” of Washington I find my perfect habitat,
    There never is a limit to what I will find hors de combat*;
    I’m very well acquainted with the latest gossipy chitchat,
    And when I need assistance how to call on buddies from my frat,
    And if my rambling testimony’s not enough to hide the pith,
    My Harvard-educated lawyer taught me how to plead the fifth.

    I learned so very early how to make denials plausible,
    And how to couch deceptions into language so applausible.
    And though unto the hoi polloi my scent resembles a polecat,
    I am the very model of a modern sneaky bureaucrat!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    *hors de combat, is French for “dude fell off his horse”. It means someone or something that is out of the fight,now. I have used it to mean “off limits.” Sooo, please don’t nobody tell the French, or I could maybe be fined in the EU or something. But if you pronounce “hors de combat” in an English sort of way, it just gives the song a certain je ne sais quoi which, I don’t know what that means.

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    • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:33 am #

      Nice poem.

    • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 11:09 am #

      Yes, nice effort….

      • Squeeky Fromm Girl Reporter June 9, 2017 at 5:33 pm #

        Thank you both Beryl and Elysian!!! I am glad you liked it! And since this article has a nautical theme. . . . .

        Well, I surf the Internet. . .
        And my laptop, it’s a dandy!
        And when e’er the Muse doth strike,
        I am glad I have it handy!

        For one never knows
        When a story “thar blows!”
        Or, the Main Stream Press will fudge!

        When a pundit has a fit
        Or is full of sh*t. . .
        So I keeps me eye on Drudge. . .

        Oh Boy! Oh Boy!
        It keeps me on my toes!
        Oh Boy! Oh Boy!
        The lying never slows…
        I never budge, never budge, never budge…

        Ooops. Sorry. I got carried away.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • windward June 10, 2017 at 3:48 am #

          Poetry Slam! I represent fighter Kane.

          Let us not forget that the Flying Rodan Monster is a lawyer, as are most politicians. That is, members of the judiciary branch of government who simultaneously hold office in another branch. Yes, a gross violation of the separation of powers. Call the police! But who are they? The lawyers, and the former lawyers we call judges. Talk about self-regulation. That is the root of our problems.

          Raising Kane

          In an address before the Missouri Bar Association given in 1947, Dr. R. Emmet Kane remarked: “It is difficult to be kind or even charitable in judging law and lawyers since they are the authors of all the troubles that plague the human race, and have been since time began.” He ended his address with the following doggerel entitled “The Bench and the Bar”:

          If you’ve got a son or daughter
          Who ain’t livin’ like they orter,
          If they’d suck an egg and peddle you the shell;
          If the neighbors and the preacher,
          The policeman and the teacher,
          Are convinced that they are headed straight for hell;
          If their instincts are possessive
          And their ego is excessive,
          If they’re short on brains but very long on jaw,
          Don’t sit up nights and worry,
          Make your mind up in a hurry,
          Chuck ‘em off to school and make ‘em study law.
          Have ’em learn the art of stalling,
          How to howl like Virtue bawling,
          And to make their betters think that they are tops;
          How to wheedle fortunes stealthy
          From a clientele that’s wealthy,
          And to be elected judge in case they’re flops.
          To become a politician
          Must, of course, be their ambition,
          Help ‘em buy all the ghosts they can afford.
          It’s a lawyer’s bounden duty
          Be he moron, shyster, cootie,
          When the gravy train is moving, be aboard.
          He, of course, must hold his licker,
          Be a Latin-spouting slicker,
          Fill the human race with wholesome fear and awe,
          For the life of Riley waits him
          Till the Devil up and dates him
          When He’s finished with the practice of the law.

    • SvrzoH June 10, 2017 at 3:35 am #

      ‘DC is a Hollywood for ugly people’, as I recall someone said.

      Those F grade actors are doing just fine on our dime, and we let them.

  11. seawolf77 June 9, 2017 at 9:37 am #

    Nice job Kunstler. Got your old verve back. Larval agency clerks. I had to write that one down. I predicted he’d be gone by the end of the year. All this is a reality show that includes an unapologetic and unremorseful resignation later in the year. Pence takes over. How America was fooled by the Orange Russian I don’t. It’s the new drink in Manhattan. Substitute Cointreau for Kahlua. Orange bitters. Delicious.

  12. mdl17576 June 9, 2017 at 9:57 am #

    The headlines from the last year and change are treated as big news, but really it’s all just a morbid form of entertainment. Even the biggest stories are all just individual data points in a trendline tracing the decline of industrial civilization. The only practical guidance I get from any of it is to assume the worst and do what I can to prepare and build resiliency in my own life and with those around me who are awake. Spending too much time worrying about details just takes time away from more constructive projects.

  13. DA June 9, 2017 at 10:23 am #

    Thanks for the Dylan link Jim. He’s still amazing after all these years.

    As for Comey, Trump, Hillary, The Russians, and all the rest of it: I’m taking a much needed sabbatical. I think the whole damn thing was driving me crazy, not that I had all that far to go…

    • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:57 am #

      Yes, I had missed that, so I went and read it just now.
      I’m glad I did.
      Nowadays Bob would be accused of cultural appropriation or something.

    • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 11:50 am #

      Yes you ARE crazy as crazy is defined as being far different from the herd of followers. That is why I always liked you, that and the fact that I am totally insane! At least that is what “they” tell me, and everyone knows that “they” are THE experts, aren’t they?

    • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 4:07 pm #

      Your homework over the Summer Vacation is to read the Koran. Be prepared to discuss.

      • pequiste June 9, 2017 at 7:19 pm #

        It is the field trip that worries me :p

  14. JimInFlorida June 9, 2017 at 10:28 am #

    WOW! This is one article to be saved, just for the magnificent use of epic metaphors. I LOVE metaphors.

    JHK, I know I’m not one of your favorite commentators but, allow me to suggest, “Paradise Lost,” by John Milton IF The Golden Golem is cast from Heaven.

    Paradise Lost is a very dense epic poem and is best read at the speed it was penned. But, inside are ample veins of literary gold that could easily apply to Washington if Trump falls and literally takes a third of the Beltway Bandits with him.

    Who will be Trump’s Beelzebub (Lord of the Neocons)?
    Who will be Trump’s Moloch (chief warmonger)?
    Who will be Trump’s Belial (LGBTQ advocate)?
    Who will be Trump’s Mammon (bankster)?

    • JimInFlorida June 9, 2017 at 10:38 am #

      Perhaps Trump has NO input from the LGBTQ crowd.
      After a quick review of Belial’s character and adjusting for the Trump factor, the better question could be,’

      Who will be Trump’s Belial (hypocrite)?

      • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 11:51 am #

        I hear Nergal is available…

  15. Elrond Hubbard June 9, 2017 at 10:39 am #

    Meanwhile, in Hong Kong:

    Boxed in: life inside the ‘coffin cubicles’ of Hong Kong – in pictures


    Photographer Benny Lam has documented the suffocating living conditions in Hong Kong’s subdivided flats, recording the lives of these hidden communities

    The city, in mind?

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    • JimInFlorida June 9, 2017 at 11:42 am #

      Now THERE is where the idea of a government-provided Commons should be provided. It would have to be provided in the same way that on-base housing is provided for single men in the military.

      A Commons area where each dweller in the cube complex would have their own separate storage area, a large common kitchen and dining area. With a mix of social workers to manage the commons and unemployed cube dwellers washing dishes and keeping the area in good repair. It would be similar to a military BEQ, in a sense.

      It may be a government-supplied commons but, each user will be required to maintain and clean up after themselves. Even their cubes should be inspected bi-weekly to prevent clutter. If they live in cubes apart from the commons, they must submit to inspections before being granted user privileges. Freedom to live as you want simply won’t work in such dense living conditions.

      BUT… Hong Kong is one of those Libertarian wet dreams where there are NO regulations or government meddlers to set minimum standards in order to establish a decent civic order. Yes, HK is cramped and cubicles may be all that’s feasible for the poor. But, it is more important to set a floor of acceptable conditions than to worry about the false freedom to live like a caged animal.

      • Helix June 9, 2017 at 1:36 pm #

        Unfettered capitalism implies a race to the bottom. Without some social institution capable of putting down a floor, the only remaining question is how low can you go?

      • MrTibbs June 10, 2017 at 6:23 am #

        jiminflorida, your naivete is far greater than your capacity for cognitive processing.

        The ultimate revolution is in execution, per Huxley’s design.

        Caged animals enjoying servitude through brainwashing and pharmacological methods.

        Alllows the peaceful rule of oligarchy.

        They call me Mr. Tibbs.


        • JimInFlorida June 10, 2017 at 8:42 am #

          You must be new here and are not familiar with my past commentaries.

          I am not naive but, I was appealing to the better, but more difficult goal, that civilization is invited to reach for. That being the power of government CAN be harnessed to do good instead of being used as a tool of plunder.

          I know full well of Huxley’s designs and that it’s easier to shuffle towards Babylon than strive for a Just Social Order. I agree regarding the power of brainwashing, drugs, bread, circuses, and peddling the Seven Deadly Sins to pacify We Teh Sheep.

          In futility do I protest such designs. I’d rather do that than acquiesce.

    • Walter B June 9, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

      I have seen a few of these pictorials before including one that had these people in actual wire cages. It is interesting that they appear to live in a lot neater and far more sanitary conditions that most of the people that I deliver meal on wheels to here in NJ. The subject of what a society is to do with the members of it’s population that do not work, cannot work, refuse to work and otherwise have seemingly little value to contribute to the rest of the society is a fruitless argument with NO solution. As population continue to grow, this problem will continue to expand as well. What the solution may be is well beyond my ability to conceive and I am unaware that anybody else has even given it much thought.

      • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 5:42 pm #

        Mandatory work for food and shelter assistance…similar to the CCC. Very draconian law enforcement for those who protest the situation…(the velvet glove does not seem to work). No one starves, or dies of exposure if they provide to their ability…the examples made of the recalcitrant a lesson for all to see. Children provided with mandatory education to at least 6th grade level, beyond if they qualify educationally. Again, draconian enforcement of civil behavior.

        By “draconian” I mean swift corporal punishment.

        Sounds a lot like the 30’s military, yes? Yes, I am aware that “corporal punishment” did not then exist in the military…(snort).


        • S M Tenneshaw June 9, 2017 at 9:51 pm #

          Wouldn’t work. There’d be a wave of 2nd Amendment responses.

          • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 11:58 pm #

            Yes, until the situation was resolved in favor of the civil authority. There will be blood in any proposed solution, there will be no easy way out…we are way to far down the rabbit hole for warm and fuzzy solutions.

            When Ronald Reagan was Governor of California, and was told that the rioting students in Berkley were looking to violently precipitate a revolution, Reagan was reported to have said…”Ok, if it takes a bloodbath then let’s get it over with….”

          • S M Tenneshaw June 11, 2017 at 8:45 pm #


            Please do actual Americans a favor and emigrate to Turkey where this kind of thinking prevails. There’s a yuge segment of citizens for whom adult corporal punishment is an absolute deal breaker.

            Boom goes the dynamite.

      • sophia June 11, 2017 at 4:13 pm #

        Indeed I have given it thought, as the problem puzzles me. Why is it so common?

  16. Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:41 am #

    Speaking of financial crime, while the MSM was busy covering the gossip story of “tensions” between Jeff Sessions and the president, the real Jeff Sessions story got scant coverage.
    He’s just ended the practice of allowing major corporations to “settle” instead of facing prosecution for their criminal financial misdeeds, with the yuge settlements going not to the victims, not to the treasury (the American people), but to various Leftist organization hand-picked by one man.
    Sounds like something that could have been covered under RICO statutes.

    • thwack June 9, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

      BTW, is it




      Or should I just use them both and wait for a white person to passive aggressively correct me?

      • elysianfield June 9, 2017 at 12:54 pm #

        Mack Daddy,

        If not they, whom?
        If not now, when?

      • JimInFlorida June 9, 2017 at 11:08 pm #

        thwack, I’ve thought long and hard about this. Your Delta Tau Chi name is… Flounder.

  17. Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 10:45 am #

    Rich Lowry used the same term, blundering, to describe the president’s recent behavior.
    I wonder just what man would, in the same situation, be more sure of exactly what he was doing?

  18. JohnAZ June 9, 2017 at 11:27 am #

    Somewhere out there in globalist La La land is a group of really dangerous folks who are shaking a giant financial stick manipulating the doings of the world. Trump may be the antithesis of this group and they and their minions are the source of the money and effort trying to tear down Moby Trump. This is bigger than just the USA, these well financed minions may be the true Ahab.

  19. wm5135 June 9, 2017 at 11:46 am #

    Thank you Mr. Kunstler for addressing Petro’s concerns.
    for me the disaster which is Ukraine and the NATO expansion into eastern Europe gives me reason to see whole thing as a positive.

    Nine of your best paragraphs today!

  20. Dumbedup June 9, 2017 at 11:51 am #

    “In the meantime, watch as a toxic political tide sweeps away the foundations of a two-hundred-odd year experiment in civil order. Six months from now, nobody will trust anyone or anything, and we may easily see a great deal of kinetic lashing out against each other in the ringing, raging confusion of the political vortex we’ve gleefully ventured into.”


    I think you underestimate both the Deep State and the Democratic inertia that exists in our Republic. Neither can be swept away quite so easily. We’ve been living with the poignant stench of distrust for quite some time. How much more can we take before the Republic is ripped from it’s moorings and what will be the result? Most likely we will fall further into authoritarianism and kleptocracy. We’ve already abandoned the rule of law.

    The distrust exists in several dimensions. There is the obvious distrust between career government and military officials (Deep State) and the transitory political figures ostensibly in charge of government. Then there is the distrust among financial institutions which brought about the Great Recession. And finally there is the distrust in the fabric of society – class envy, religious bigotry and racial hate. They all have their roots in greed which leads to lies and fraud.

    This is all best exemplified by Comey’s testimony and Trump’s response yesterday. We’ve become unable, due to some sort of mental and spiritual paralysis to discern truth. We call each other liars take extreme and irreconcilable positions. We are like cats who ventured out too far on tree limbs and we are frozen there unable to return to the stable center of the tree.

    Will this destroy us? Divisiveness has threatened to many times in the past but yet we have survived. The question is whether this moment in history is uniquely unstable. Is the confluence of crises both here and around the world so acute as to destroy us?

    There is also an eschatological feel to all of this. I am a Christian, but deep inside I have always felt that some Christians believed that they could hasten the end – as if they could force Jesus’ hand. But if they bring about the end with whom will Jesus be pleased?

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    • Helix June 9, 2017 at 1:51 pm #

      Re: “Will this destroy us? Divisiveness has threatened to many times in the past but yet we have survived.”

      I had the questionable fortune of being in Iran in 1979, so I had a front row seat for the chaos there. My one-line synopsis of the early phases of the Iranian Revolution was that Khomeini handed out firearms to teenagers and told them to go out and settle scores. The chaos was near total. A car I was riding in was fired on in order to stop it. During the interrogation that followed, I looked around at those manning the barricades. I saw one kid who could not have been more than ten years old with a .45 revolver in his belt. I couldn’t believe he had the strength to even aim a pistol of that size, Who knows? Maybe aiming wasn’t important.

      So given the state of American society and the widespread prevalence of firearms that are a lot more lethal than a .45 revolver, I would say that a similar breakdown of law and order here would be a lot more disastrous for American society than was experienced in Iran. It is also pretty clear to me that the right wing is much better armed than those Left and Center, and that Fox News will have no problem pointing the finger at Liberals and perhaps even Moderates as “the enemy”.

      So, yeah, I think the present divisiveness has the potential to destroy us. One has only to look at the Balkans to see how things end up once the shooting starts. In the end, enmities are created that persist down through the generations, and the only solutions are either authoritarian rule or separation into different states.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 2:38 pm #

        ISIS gives kids that age and younger firearms and has them execute criminals on camera. You can find it on youtube.

        • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:43 pm #


        • pequiste June 9, 2017 at 7:22 pm #

          There’s that scheduled summer-study field trip I was worried about :p

      • Dumbedup June 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm #

        I have a vague recollection of those events in the late 1970s. As I remember the Shah left the country because he could no longer govern and Khomeini returned from exile and took power. There is no leader in exile for the US.

        But back to historical threats to democracy. In the 1850s most people were armed and guns were permitted in church and on the streets. Senators fought on the Senate floor and graft and corruption were rampant. The country was falling apart because of slavery. Ultimately it did fall apart, but the difference, I think, is that it fell apart almost evenly along regional and economic lines which were almost concurrent.

        I think what makes this different is that there are too many fracture points and too many splinters. There is very little that is coherent about what divides us. Neighbors are more likely to shoot each other over a disagreement than someone 500 miles away.

        I fear anarchy more than rebellion, civil war or revolution.

        • Helix June 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm #


          And today’s weapons leave those in the 1850s for dead. Even in the civil war, most soldiers used muzzle loaders, especially in the south. 3 shots per minute was considered a competent rate.

          Today, any self-respecting 2nd-Amendment acolyte has one or more repeating assault rifles with conversion kits to make them fully automatic in short order. I’ve known people who quote their ammo stock by weight rather than by rounds because, well, whose counting after a certain point? As in, “Yeah, I’ve got about 700 pounds of .223 Remington, mebbe 300 pounds of .270 Winchester, and right now I’m loading up some 7mm Mags. I was down to about 50 lbs, if you can believe that…”

          Sandy Hook is the template for what we can expect. Police found 80 spent cartridges in one classroom and 49 in another. It was all over in a matter of minutes. And that was a kid who wasn’t even all that proficient.

          My recommendation: get yours now.

          • Dumbedup June 11, 2017 at 8:55 pm #

            It won’t matter. It’s now about the number of rounds of ammo you have. Rather, it is about the number of friends you have and can ally yourself with. Best thing to do is to start talking to your neighbors about how to mutually defend yourselves, share resources, find water and grow crops.

          • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:51 pm #

            ^ what he said ^

  21. Sean Coleman June 9, 2017 at 11:52 am #

    What does collusion mean? Colluding to do what?


  22. capt spaulding June 9, 2017 at 12:16 pm #

    Moby Trump is very apt. He was elected by a fluke as well.

    • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 12:55 pm #

      I’m a fluke?

      • capt spaulding June 9, 2017 at 1:51 pm #

        Only you can answer that.

      • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:43 pm #

        Is your real name Sandra?

    • aibohphobia June 10, 2017 at 4:17 pm #

      Thar he blows! It’s Moby Trump, the Straight White Male….

  23. volodya June 9, 2017 at 12:26 pm #

    Government employed trolls infesting comment boards will insist all is well in the face of central banks buying up record amounts of financial assets in the first four months of 2017, this according to zerohedge. Notwithstanding the protestations of paid flacks, sadly, all is not well. Quite the opposite. Hence, the election of Trump.

    But the greatly enlightened on either coast will insist with their dying breath that the ascendancy of Trump amounts to a demonstration of the heinous stupidity and racism of the fly-over fatsos. I beg to differ. This view does not accord with reality. Whereas Hillary said to these people, I deplore you, Trump addressed exactly what ailed them.

    Trump is there because of the economic despoilment of the interior, places which formerly made things like shoes and bicycles. The result of this is that US and much of the world is at the rim of a calamity that will make the demise of ancient Rome look like a routine business restructuring as JHK sez.

    You see some of the societal ills that come out of economic wreck on local news, drug addiction being one. But I suspect that even uglier currents are roiling beneath the surface. See, JHK sez “kinetic”. First you ruin people. Then you insult them. “Kinetic”, (the air singing with high velocity projectiles) is exactly the outcome you’d expect of this.

  24. sauerkraut June 9, 2017 at 12:38 pm #

    Can no-one understand that almost everything we read or see is a distraction? That the flames are getting higher and hotter and nearer?

    Since JHK has invoked Dylan, consider “Only a Pawn in Their Game”. Hear it and weep – nothing has changed in the last 50 years except the proportion of the emotionally distracted incompetentariate.

    The only things that count are what is signed into law. Read that.

    • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:47 pm #

      Do you expect human nature to change?

      • sauerkraut June 9, 2017 at 3:10 pm #

        No, not really. But it is disturbing that, instead of more of us detecting the trap, more of us are falling into it.

        • sophia June 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm #

          Yes, that is what is distressing me lately. The conservative, Christian right are waking up, and the left, with their higher IQs and more education, are falling like stones for propaganda. And they are so sure that they are invulnerable, that you cannot reach them at all. And yes, climate change is probably the most entrenched.

        • Walter B June 12, 2017 at 8:29 am #

          Unfortunately for the human population they are hunted by beings that are far more intelligent, vastly more talented, and totally committed and dedicated to the destruction of our species. There never was any hope that the whole herd or even a large part of it was going to make it home successfully. There is a great weeding out that is part of our existence and many will be called but few chosen. It is just as in any competition for something of great value, those who prepare, who strive for success and act out what has to be done with the greatest amount of dedication and work will be the ones who achieve success. The everybody gets a trophy ploy was specifically designed to thwart the masses against this concept.

          Humans are simple by nature, are inclined towards sloth, and are easily distracted by shiny objects. Take NYC as a great example. A stinking dung pile in daylight but turn on the pretty colored lights at night, open the bars and the clubs and bingo, it turns into a giant Venus flytrap, or better yet the Big Apple. An apple you say? Why, an apple as in the bait used so successfully at the dawn of time? Today’s technologies and personal Dingle Boxes may have seemed to enlighten or empower the masses, but in actuality they have not only been dumbed down, they are now haplessly lost to reality and do not even care. Of course more will fall, and more will fall still every single day until there are no more left to perish. It is a Quickening my friend, avoid it, I know that you can. Good luck.

  25. FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 12:43 pm #

    Comey’s hearings – the first conclusions

    As I predicted, everything depends on the willingness of the senate commission to investigate in essence not only the Comey’s dismissal for his excessive “diligence” in the notorious RussiaGate, but also the related matter about the resignation of General Flynn from the post of National Security Adviser. And the speech of Democratic senator Feinstein showed that the Senate is ready to deal with this matter in an open public mode, and the powerful American Bar Association, stands on the Trump side in this matter.

    Hillary’s cooked!!!

    And apparently Comey understood this and was so frightened when he was forced to take the oath, and in fact refused his preliminary statement, which he published on the eve of the hearing. And after the presentation of Feinstein, he floated so much that I suspect before his mind’s eye was not the prison cage, but the notorious chair.

    And this means that Hillary has dragged him into the crimes much more serious than the groundless release her from responsibility for her Email server on the eve of the elections.

    And right after the end of the Comey hearings, on the basis of his own words on behalf of the White House, the lawyer of President Trump officially accused him of leaking the classified materials to the press.

    Another huge news of these hearings was the consolidated position of the Republicans, who finally came to the conclusion that the RussiaGate is an illegal attempt by the Democrats to abolish the results of the elections, in which Republican Trump had won.

    Meanwhile, not only Trump won the White House, but the Republican Party won both the Senate and the Congress.

    In particular, the old “friend” of Russia Senator McCain was entrusted to drive the first nail into the coffin of not only Comey as director of the FBI, but also of the RussiaGate, and only Senator Rubio tried all the same with his questions to roll out Comey a couple of balls into the penalty area to strike at Trump’s goal.

    So, Republican Senator and former Governor of Idaho Jim Rishot made Comey to admit that in any US court the president’s words – “I hope that Flynn’s case will go away” – could not be interpreted as an attempt to obstruct justice.

    And then he was interrogated by the Democratic Senator from California and the former chairman of this commission, Dianne Feinstein, who forced Comey to admit that at the moment when this happened, he was frightened and could not tell Trump that his “hopes of stopping the investigation of General Flynn” are not ethical and he as the director of the FBI, he will not be guided in this matter by this hopes.

    And after Feinstein, another Senator, a Republican, who apparently received instructions from the White House in the course of the matter, where Trump stopped for a time playing a Twitter fool, assembled the headquarters of lawyers fighting with Hillary Clinton, drew attention to the irony of the situation when Comey, repeatedly in his own words lying to the President is investigating Flynn for lying to Vice President about negotiations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

    And you should see the face of Feinstein, when she was looking at Comey, who confessed to lying to the President!!!

    And then how she looked at him when Senator Burr, who replaced her as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Commission, said with irony:

    “Now we see for ourselves how wrong the President was, accusing you of insanity! “

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    • Beryl of Oyl June 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm #

      The NYT is reevaluating one of its blockbuster stories, I’ve heard, in light of Comey’s most recent utterings.

  26. Georges1202 June 9, 2017 at 12:59 pm #

    Is there anything more comical than the sight of Comey lumbering down the hall leading a jabbering pack of Munckins (or Mnuchkins) like a giant Tin Man?

    If all in for anything that removes the loathsome Trump. I imagine him tossed out and back down at Mar-A-Lago slapping at mosquitos some October eve when all of a sudden the bottom of chaise lounge gets wet.

    Ah! They were right about that climate jazz….

    • pequiste June 9, 2017 at 7:24 pm #

      Great visual indeed plus I spat out a fully loaded rigatoni at “Mnuchkins.”

  27. fodase June 9, 2017 at 1:58 pm #

    JHK continues with his zero batting average, with this week’s lame:

    “Six months from now, nobody will trust anyone or anything…”

    Yep, it’s all going to implode. Sheesh, the shtick is up jimmy. You were knocked out of the ring years ago at DOW 4,000 and Peak Oil.


    Let President Trump try to get something done for the people instead of berating him with inane criticism.

    I don’t want to hear your empty, bell clanging tirades against him, the man’s going the full 4 years.

    If you wanted a perfect candidate, you should’ve voted for Jesus.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 2:29 pm #

      If you wanted a perfect candidate, you should’ve voted for Jesus

      The Americans did this time. (I am not saying that He was on the ballot, but nevertheless..)

    • malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:42 pm #


      • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 9:04 pm #

        I like Ambrose and he likes my posts over on Amren.

  28. Dumbedup June 9, 2017 at 2:18 pm #

    Trump is more like Captain Quigg than Captain Ahab and this is more likely to play out like the Caine Mutiny than Moby Dick. Both were paranoid and delusional, but Trump’s paranoia and delusion will result in removal by Pence and a majority of the Cabinet under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Unless they are all asleep at the wheel there is a plan to do, and it is likely that there is a line drawn that should he step over it will result in his removal. But it will come to a showdown because Trump will not go quietly. It would not surprise me at all if shots are fired within the White House. That is the nightmare scenario leading to collapse or at least widespread civil disorder. Then you risk a military coup.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 2:32 pm #

      Trump’s paranoia and delusion will result in removal by Pence and a majority of the Cabinet under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment

      Turn your cable TV off for a month or two – you will greatly improve your digestion.

      • Dumbedup June 9, 2017 at 2:45 pm #

        Is that what you’ve done? (I suspect not)

        One thing I noticed about Comey’s testimony is that he seems to feel that everyone is attempting to force him to act against his conscience and his duty. Now we find out that he believes AG Lynch intervened in the Clinton investigation and made him feel “queasy”.

        This is a unique time in our history. It bears watching from all angles.

        • FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm #

          Is that what you’ve done? (I suspect not)

          I am immune – got a good inoculation of 25 years of Soviet propaganda, however, I must say, they’ve never gone that low.

    • MrTibbs June 9, 2017 at 11:48 pm #

      Your dumbedup predictions make JHK look like Nostradamus.


      They call me Mr. Tibbs.


  29. miner_tom June 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm #

    While I do agree with the thought that there is nothing much to tell concerning the belief of some that Russia was involved in fixing the election for Trump, I think that there is more to the thought that Trump may be “in hock” to Russian “figures of interest” WRT to his business dealings.

    No, I don’t care much if members of the administration talk with Russian officials…probably a good thing to do. But I DO care if my president has been money laundering via real estate and golf course deals, for Russian organized crime.

    Call it a conspiracy theory if you will be I think that the lack of transparency of Trump, his tax returns, combined with the statements of those who have spoken to Trump and his son, create the climate for suspicion.

    Compare the air of suspicion around Trump with the 8 congressional investigations concerning the Benghazi affair and the 5 years of investigating Bill Clinton over a well documented land deal and the furor of the right wing over a completely made up conspiracy called pizza-gate and I think that there is more than enough reason to see if our President is compromised.

  30. FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 2:41 pm #

    Whatever happened to The Anthony Weiner Laptop? == Pucker

    The wrong question, Puck!

    Better to ask what happened to the FBI agents who were on this case and forced Comey to announce renewal of the Hillary investigation a week before the election day under the threat of publishing the materials on WikiLeaks.

    They went silent in just couple of days.

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  31. malthuss June 9, 2017 at 2:45 pm #

    I am not so concerned about the President.
    I am relieved that the Clintons did not get back into the WH.

    I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY. [or whats left of it].

    • Dumbedup June 9, 2017 at 2:47 pm #

      One thing I think we can see clearly now is that, regardless of what they promise to do, one person cannot steer the ship of state.

      • PeteAtomic June 9, 2017 at 3:49 pm #

        yes sadly & very possible. Is it too late regardless of who POTUS is, or who is in gov’t? Maybe.

    • PeteAtomic June 9, 2017 at 3:48 pm #

      yes me too, absolutely. I agree with all 3 of your statements there.

      You know, Americans need to grow up and realize that the Prez of the US ought not be a pissing contest for ‘most liked’. The POTUS is the executive, and he needs to lead. I hope Trump can get back to doing that. The country has too many dire problems for the types of 3 ring circuses that we all saw this week.

      Put up or shut up, and move on with the agenda.

      Trump came to DC to chew bubble gum & kick ass. And he’s all out of bubble gum.

  32. wholy1 June 9, 2017 at 2:54 pm #

    Which bringS One to . . . what?
    Been my mantra since the BEGINNING of the GreatER Depression, 2007-09 because . . . like [most] everything else “IN this world but NOT OF it”, it’s a P-R-O-C-E-S-S. Why are soooo many retail venues shuttering? The so-called “middle class” is being EVISERATED, financially taped-out, thx to multi-nat’l CORPs off-shore mfg, [NOT]Federal[NO]Reserve “financial intervention”, parasitic gov AGENT spending run-a-muck.

    You be “NOTICED”: “get thy from the ‘urbs’ “! Get “hunkered-down”, “S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D” on an inland, RURAL, UNaddressed/UNencumbered portion of ARABLE county dirt? Get
    GROUPED, GUNNED, GARDENED, PROVISIONED. You do really want to become a desperate, TRAPPED, “The Road”, “citYzen” either the object OR progenitor of heinous acts just to “survive”? If so, don’t “come a knock’n” at OUR digs with “unwelcomed intent”
    cuz it may very likely be yout last. This ” way-too INTERdependent social/political/financial ‘clusterfuck’ ” WILL “normalize” in ways most individuals will neither welcome nor be prepared. How much longer before inescapable E-N-T-R-O-P-Y can no longer be mitigated/postponed by perhaps the biggest-ever ponzi: the PRIVATELY HELD [NOT]Federal[NO]Reserve R-E-A-L asset/wealth consolidation/transfer to the int’l financial [D]elites/PTB’s (Psychopaths That Bugger)? When said PTBs “exit, stage left” to their remote digs under cover/DISTRACTION of a PTB-precipitated big-ass war, what be your “circumstance”?

  33. Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 3:06 pm #


    Extended interview to air on four nights. Might be worth catching.

    • K-Dog June 9, 2017 at 8:39 pm #

      You are right. It will be worth watching!

  34. PeteAtomic June 9, 2017 at 3:43 pm #

    I think Trump was correct at the presser with the Romanian prez that the ‘Russian story’ is an attempt at revenge by people angry about losing the election. I think that’s true.

    There isn’t any evidence of wrong doing. I know its a big let down to all the social justice warriors out there, but in the US, you need to actually do something illegal before you can be prosecuted for it.

    So, I really hope he goes to driving his agenda hard, in particular in regards to infrastructure spending, which is very needed.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 4:09 pm #

      Now he’s hanging around with Romanians? Is he a vampire? Or just married to one?

  35. Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 4:20 pm #


    The good goys won – straight up, yo.

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  36. janet June 9, 2017 at 4:30 pm #

    Every president elect, and their envoys, plays host to MANY ENVOYS from many countries during the “TRANSITION” to the next administration. They have ALL done it, it is normal…

    The collusion with Russia monhths before the election, months before the transition. Putin demanded the Republican Party platform be changed re: Ukraine. Trump changed the platform. A CEO of a bank launders Russian money. Trump puts him in his cabinet. Trump asks Putin to hack HRC and DNC… in public, on TV, speaking directly to Putin. Trump’s son-in-law has contacts with Russians before the election, before the transition, and is then given power in Trump’s administration. That just scratches the surface.

    Trump collusion with Russia is willful, public, and undeniable.

  37. malthuss June 9, 2017 at 4:36 pm #

    Moby Seth


  38. Elrond Hubbard June 9, 2017 at 5:14 pm #

    The Hidden Ways that Architecture Affects How You Feel

    As more of us flock to urban living, city designers are re-thinking buildings’ influence on our moods in an era of “neuro-architecture”.


    “We shape our buildings and afterwards our buildings shape us,” mused Winston Churchill in 1943 while considering the repair of the bomb-ravaged House of Commons.

    More than 70 years on, he would doubtless be pleased to learn that neuroscientists and psychologists have found plenty of evidence to back him up.

    We now know, for example, that buildings and cities can affect our mood and well-being, and that specialised cells in the hippocampal region of our brains are attuned to the geometry and arrangement of the spaces we inhabit.

    Yet urban architects have often paid scant attention to the potential cognitive effects of their creations on a city’s inhabitants. The imperative to design something unique and individual tends to override considerations of how it might shape the behaviours of those who will live with it. That could be about to change.

  39. janet June 9, 2017 at 5:37 pm #

    ” in the US, you need to actually do something illegal before you can be prosecuted for it.” –peteatomic

    You are indeed fortunate to live in a world where you are not arrested based on nothing more than skin color, only to be murdered in police custody even if you are unarmed and not belligerent.

  40. FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 5:41 pm #

    Smash – and in half!!!

    Washington in 2017 begins to really remind Moscow of 1935, brilliantly described by the great Russian writer Mikhail Bulgakov in his best novel.

    Especially Senator McCain – literally speaking a freelance member of the US Senate Commission for Intelligence.

    He stammered and turned pale, driving nails into the coffin of his beloved RussiaGate, that, willy-nilly, it seemed as if, like Varenukha, before the meeting of the commission, fellow republicans caught him in the toilet and, having hit a couple of times with their legs in his balls, warned that if he will play to Bastinda tune during the hearing, then his Vietnamese pit would seem like a Hilton to him.

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  41. Goodwalkspoiled June 9, 2017 at 5:58 pm #

    Behold the hollow rampage of Deep State. Not much there but a bunch of hot air. Even Alan Dershowitz of all people has insisted there is no crime. All fake news as the POTUS says. The stock market just keeps on rolling on to new record highs. The Deep State is impotent, and the major international corporations know it. Why not take full advantage of the D.C. follies – it’s there for the taking. Big business is ramping up. Frankenstein is setting the table for a second term as the impotent Dems have nothing to offer. Nothing but media chatter. It was a tale told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

  42. FincaInTheMountains June 9, 2017 at 6:22 pm #

    Is he a vampire?

    Silicon Valley Pederasts turned vampires

    Peter Thiel Is Very, Very Interested in Young People’s Blood

    More than anything, Peter Thiel, the billionaire technology investor and Donald Trump supporter, wants to find a way to escape death. He’s channeled millions of dollars into startups working on anti-aging medicine, spends considerable time and money researching therapies for his personal use, and believes society ought to open its mind to life-extension methods that sound weird or unsavory.

    Speaking of weird and unsavory, if there’s one thing that really excites Thiel, it’s the prospect of having younger people’s blood transfused into his own veins.


    Sociopathic community, deifying technology, freedom and money, which in principle lacks ethical brakes, it is impossible to explain that between a voluntary blood donation to save someone’s life and buying up blood in order to make the more prosperous and successful entrepreneurs enjoy eternal youth, lies the moral abyss.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 7:07 pm #

      Well if they get paid to donate, then what’s the problem? Such things are for the very wealthy only in any case. The issue of organ pirating of political dissidents in China and perhaps Israel is a whole different matter of course.

      There may be an issue though: many countries have banned the donation of blood plasma for some reason. It’s a big business in the U.S of A of course. Hidden risks?

      • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 6:41 am #

        Here we see the difference in Western and Eastern moral imperatives.

        As the American television channel ABC has found out, 80% of the commercial blood-collection centers are in poor areas of the country and specialize in poor teenagers and young people.

        A special irony of this situation is the fact that for such young people idols are often the most successful and famous investors and startupers of the Silicon Valley.

        In the United States, which has long been living in the post-Christian era, the dissatisfied religious instinct has acquired a rather bizarre form, which consists in deifying the brightest representatives of the high-tech business and their products.

      • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 6:44 am #

        In the conditions of the globalized world and the technological revolution taking place right before our eyes, it’s terrible to imagine how a society will look that combines total digitalization and the level of moral development corresponding to the level of the cannibal who eats the hearts of defeated opponents in the hope of adopting their strength and youth.

  43. Pucker June 9, 2017 at 6:45 pm #

    The Deep State is a bit like a Chucky doll. When you look at it, you think that it’s a Constitutional Republic “Good Guy” doll. But it’s really The Deep State “Chucky”.


  44. bibliomaniac June 9, 2017 at 7:35 pm #

    Have any of you read Malcolm Nance’s book “The Plot to Hack America: How Putin’s Cyberspies and WikiLeaks Tried to Steal the 2016 Election”? Nance contends that the Putin-Trump “bromance” which started long before the 2016 election when Trump was doing deals in Russia lead Russian intelligence to think he would be a great errand-boy to serve their purposes on the global stage. I’d be interested in any comments (or blow-back) you might have.

    • Pucker June 9, 2017 at 11:06 pm #

      So the theory is that because of all of the underground Russian mafia money that has pored into the New York City real estate market that Trump, as a New York property developer, is, therefore, a Russian stooge? Sounds like an Oswald-type smear?

      • Pucker June 9, 2017 at 11:08 pm #

        The Russians were really clever the way that they positioned Trump to be the star of the TV show “The Apprentice”.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 6:52 am #

      Actually, it goes back all the way to the 1980s:

      How Trump was going to end the Cold War in the 1980s


  45. pequiste June 9, 2017 at 8:00 pm #

    “Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate. The malignant thing that has plagued and frightened man since time began. The thing that mauls and mutilates our race…..” Ahab to Starbuck.


    Donald Trump is but a dumb (but ballsy, coarse and wealthy) brute acting out of blind instinct.

    Who or what then is really behind the pasteboard mask?

    Hillary Clinton?

    The Council On Foreign Relations?

    Lloyd Blankfein and the rest of the scummy crew at Goldman Sachs?

    Vladimir Putin?

    George Soros?




    Hellish mOnsters (so many available to choose from) all from out of the murky deep.

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    • Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 9:02 pm #

      You are Queequeg – a Polynesian Cannibal Possible Queer who sleeps with Ishmael. You carry an Idol around named yoly or something. I forgot. Check the article.


  46. pequiste June 9, 2017 at 8:19 pm #

    We are rounding Cape Horn and being dragged along on a very wet and wild Nantucket (political, military, juridical, media, cultural) sleigh ride.

  47. Janos Skorenzy June 9, 2017 at 8:56 pm #

    Dispatches from the Munky House.


    The future is “Evergreen” college. Green stands for Communism and Minority hatred and stupidity.

  48. nsa June 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm #

    Take a look at a long term WTIC oil chart……sitting at 45.83 going into the weekend. A test of the long term support – resistance range (35 to 40) in the near future looks like a high percentage bet. Hell, this stuff was 146 in 2008, 33 in 2009, 106 in 2014, sitting around 46 today……with under 40 written all over the chart…….and possibly douching down to 30 late 2017. Short USO or sell the oil contract CL on any strength.
    If you want to make money betting commodities, the first step is to take your TV box down to Goodwill and the second step is to stop reading the financial press. Think about….these are essentially coin flip bets yet 99% of private commodity traders lose money. How is that possible?

  49. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 12:36 am #

    Three steps/techniques of Soft Repression: (1) Stigmatize and Label; (2) Ridicule; (3) Silence.

  50. ffkling June 10, 2017 at 12:37 am #

    Oh yeah. The Trump true believers saw him as the ultimate mastermind. They perceived the man’s every move, every word uttered, every breath taken as a masterful move to crush his opponents and implement a plan well beyond the comprehension of mere mortals. The master 4-D chess player, hell 12-D chess player.
    Nowadays, the bright bulbs of this collection of idiots should learn to just shut up, hoping nobody else remembers their Trump boot licking. However, some idiots are still too stupid to see they were duped by a hustler, or they will do the idiot thing of doing anything to save face. These folks will be the loyal indentured servants of those with two brain cells to rub together.
    You remind me of the person who got left in a crappy divorce who cannot stop obsessing over their ex. EVERYTHING in their life is defined by what their ex did, what their ex is doing, etc…
    Trump is now in the WH. Replying to any criticism of Trump’s stupidity with this tired shit about Hillary, Obama, and crew is how children debate and argue.

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  51. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 1:00 am #

    Evergreen State College is looking for a new “Director of Student Conduct and Conflict Resolution” in case you know of any Bubbas who might want to apply?


  52. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 1:37 am #


    I think that I may have once screwed a girl who went to Evergreen State College, but I can’t remember her name?


  53. janet June 10, 2017 at 1:42 am #

    “Do you expect human nature to change?” –malthuss

    There is no fixed human nature. Our nature is provisionally programmed as children (by parents, religion, state), then around teenagerhood we are able to break our conditioning and escape the matrix. I speak from my own experience when I say human nature is not fixed.

      • janet June 10, 2017 at 2:22 am #

        Thanks, Pucker. Human nature is not fixed, as the link you provided shows. We are not violent by nature. Nations do not need armies, as nations without armies show.

        “Modern humans evolved a unique combination of physical and behavioral characteristics, many of which other early human species also possessed, though not to the same degree. The complex brains of modern humans enabled them to interact with each other and with their surroundings in new ways. They made specialized tools, and use tools to make other tools; they built broad social networks, sometimes including people they have never even met; they exchanged resources over wide areas; and they created art, music, personal adornment, rituals, and a complex symbolic world. Modern humans have spread to every continent and vastly expanded their numbers. They have altered the world in ways that benefit them greatly.”

        • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 10:31 am #

          Yes, there is such a thing as human nature. No matter how I try, I can’t grow extra legs and claws and survive underwater, like a crab. The crab, for its part, will never learn to speak English (and apes have never really learned to communicate grammatically, despite myths to the contrary). It’s completely reasonable to recognize both the capacities and the limitations of human beings, and to call the combination of them human nature.

          What’s more, claiming that humans aren’t violent by nature is just brainless. What would that even mean? It certainly can’t mean that human beings aren’t capable of violence, since everyday news headlines will tell you we are. If your answer is that we’re capable of more than violence, well then, no shit. That adds up to: humans are both violent and non-violent by nature. To me, that sounds like mush.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 8:22 pm #

            Thus we need an ordering of our desires into worthy and unworthy, and our ideas as true and untrue. And an ordering of people willing and able to so order themselves – thus giving birth to Hierarchies of merit.

            Your way of mindless entitlement and egalitarianism leads to Evergreen College and Lord of the Flies – Black Trannies and 300 pound Black Lesbians hunting for the only White professor to defy them. After the Police were told to stand down, they called the professor and told him to stay home since they couldn’t protect him.

            Are these Blacks studying “nature”? They are nature, in its unnatural and decayed aspect. Left to its own devices, Nature would eliminate these unfortunates swiftly. That’s the Lesson being taught at Evergreen college. Satan is the Headmastah…..

  54. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 2:27 am #

    “I can’t remember.” George H. W. Bush

    “Most important, First International itself did a lot of business with Saudi Arabia. George H. W. Bush has said he cannot remember what he did for the bank, but Bill White claims Poppy was a Mercantile Division consultant paid to bring in Arab deposits. According to White, the bank played an important role in handling massive transfers of Saudi funds. It even provided a revolving line of credit for Salem bin Laden. The president and CEO of FIB’s London merchant bank, on whose board Poppy Bush sat, was a former FBI agent and employee of Magnolia Oil, the company that provided employment to several figures who associated with Lee Harvey Oswald. It is believed that much of the Saudi business flowed through the London affiliate.”

    “Family of Secrets”, Russ Baker

  55. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 2:41 am #

    We’ll probably never know what The Clinton Foundation was all about.

    “Banking institutions of all sizes have played crucial roles, wittingly and unwittingly, in the repatriation and investment of petrodollars in the West, and in the movement of monies to finance intelligence operations and undeclared wars. But all of this was nothing compared to the role played by an enterprise called BCCI. The involvement of the Bushes and their friends in this international international scheme is not easy to tease out of the welter of sub rosa actions and relationships, but it is there nonetheless.”

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  56. janet June 10, 2017 at 2:47 am #

    St. Paul, Minnesota (CNN) Jeronimo Yanez, a former Minnesota police officer on trial for fatally shooting Philando Castile during a traffic stop in July 2016, testified Friday he fired his weapon because Castile had his hand on a gun, not his wallet and identification papers.

    “I had no other choice. I didn’t want to shoot Mr. Castile. That wasn’t my intention,” Yanez said while wiping tears from his eyes, CNN affiliate WCCO reported. “I thought I was going to die.”


    Wife and daughter in the car, nonviolent, not belligerent, complying with officer’s instructions to provide ID… then sot dead in cold blood by the officer who feared he had a gun. Happens far too often to law-abiding unarmed gentle people with Black skin.


    Police said Groubert, 31, stopped Jones in the parking lot of a Circle K station in daylight, for what police say was an alleged seat belt violation, around 5 p.m.
    Video that authorities say was recorded from Groubert’s police car shows the trooper driving up to a vehicle just as its driver — who authorities say is Jones — steps out of the vehicle.
    When Groubert asks for Jones’ license, Jones pivots toward the vehicle he just exited — the driver’s door is still open — and leans inside as if to retrieve something, the video shows.
    About two seconds later, the trooper that police identify as Groubert comes into view with a gun drawn and yells “Get out of the car! Get out of the car!” The gun is fired — at least four shots are heard — and Jones steps away from the vehicle, raising his hands in the air and eventually moving off camera.
    “I just got my license! You said get my license!” says someone off camera, apparently Jones.
    After being told to put his hands behind his back, Jones asks: “What did I do, sir?”
    “Are you hit?” asks another off-camera voice, apparently Groubert’s.
    “I think so,” comes the response. “I can’t feel my leg. I don’t know what happened.”
    The conversation continues:
    “Why did you shoot me?”

    • thwack June 10, 2017 at 7:27 am #

      Yeah Janet, that one was clearly a panic move on the part of the cop. I hope the victim was paid and the cop fired; never to work again in law enforcement.

      In the Yanez case, I think the department is hiding the fact Yanez was treating it like a felony stop?

      There is a correct and incorrect way to do those.

      Yanez behaved as if he had no partner?

      He clearly panicked and started shooting even though he was in the more superior position to retreat, cover and re-assess the situation; unless it was a felony stop and the risk of flight was unacceptable?

      Castile sounds like a dumb ass, but its not against the law to be stupid, especially for black people.

      Why the fuck did he have a carry permit but no holster? Its very unsafe to carry a gun in your pocket, or stuffed in your waistband… thats usually how criminals carry guns.

      And that ratchet ghetto mom who live streamed the aftermath?

      If that was my girlfriend I would have shot myself.

      Here is what I suggest people, and especially black males do, when the police conduct a traffic stop:

      1. Turn the car off and place your wallet on the dash BEFORE the police approach the vehicle, and keep your hands on the steering wheel.

      2. WAIT for the officer to instruct you to do something BEFORE you do it. You can even repeat the officers instructions back to him/her in the form of a question before you act.

      3. Don’t be an asshole; do not turn on the radio, smoke or engage in any behavior that might serve as a distraction to the officer.

      *and this is important*


      You can always repeat their statement back to them in the form of a question, and then ask them if thats what they are asking you?

      Always force people to ask a question; make them go on the record regarding what information they are seeking, and then provide them with an answer.

      If a law enforcement official, or lawyer is on a “fishing expedition”, don’t help them “fish” by answering their statements with statements of your own.

      If they have a question, make them ask it.

      To sum up; don’t give the police a reason/excuse to shoot you; either intentionally or accidentally, because guess what?

      They can and will.

      They are trained, paid and equipped to do that.

      BTW, did they ever find out if Castile is the person wanted for that armed robbery?

      Given his behavior during the traffic stop, and lack of a holster for his gun (and that stupid fucking ghetto girlfriend) ; he just might be stupid enough to do something like that?

      • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 10:51 am #

        There used to be a publication called The Negro Motorist Green Book. Nowadays we would call it a crowdsourced listing of businesses around the United States that were actually willing to do business in good faith with African Americans, and treat them fairly. Will wonders never cease.

        The Green Book is no longer published, but clearly every person of colour in the U.S. (and in my home and native land, I have no doubt) still has their own, internalized green book that comes into play especially when they have encounters with the police. This kind of thing happens too often to be just a problem with those gosh-darn people who won’t darn well behave themselves. It’s a problem with the police as well.

        We trust police officers with the authority to use violence and coercion, including killing people. When I screw up at work, I expect to be disciplined or maybe even lose my job. When a cop screws up at work, he maybe kills someone, and not by accident, either. People are way too quick to blame the victim and exonerate the cop when this happens. If more cops started going to jail because they, you know, killed someone, this might start to get better.

        • janet June 10, 2017 at 11:20 am #

          The silence of the “good” cops makes them equally complicit and keeps the bad cops out of jail. Until the silent cops are willing to testify against murder by police, to testify about illegal police behavior they witness, things are not likely to change. That makes all cops guiilty. Silent cops are bad cops.

          • JimInFlorida June 11, 2017 at 9:15 am #

            Let’s apply janet’s statement to her barbaric friends, the Muslims!

            “The silence of the “good” Muslims makes them equally complicit and keeps the bad Muslims out of jail. Until the silent Muslims are willing to testify against murder by Muslim, to testify about illegal Muslim behavior they witness, things are not likely to change. That makes all Muslims guiilty [sic]. Silent Muslims are bad Muslims.

        • Cavepainter June 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

          Who is the victim as you frame the case, is it the public in general (without deference to color — white, black, rainbow) or is it justice itself? Going even more broadly even the study of history has been contorted to fit within the meme of the many factions angling for top rung on the “victimhood” ladder.

          It’s kind’a funny, finding political times in America sort’a like being back in the 16th Century; you’re going to be damned by both sides if you don’t take stand with one or the other faced off in our current low intensity civil war that has been raging through the national polity since the last election.

          Difference from “back then” — Protestant Reformers vs Church of Rome — today its the dogma of the (sic) Left as opposed to, uh,…….Trumpetors? Intellect be damned, if you don’t tithe to the gospel of either, Hilary/Bernie/Obama or that of the “Trumpetors”, you’re to be figuratively burned at the stake by whichever side lays hands on you first.

          • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 7:41 pm #

            I would think it’s pretty clear what I mean by the victim: the person who gets killed by a cop who either panicked, took a shortcut, or didn’t exercise due care with someone’s life. I mean a particular individual, not an abstraction like the public or the concept of justice (although it’s a different particular individual in different situations.)

            Being a cop is a high-stakes job. High stakes for the cop, because they deal with violent criminals; but high stakes for the public, too, because a cop’s job description ranges up to and includes premeditated homicide. ‘With great power comes great responsibility.’ There are few things more valuable to the public than a brave, honest, dedicated cop, and few things more damaging than one who is cowardly, dishonest or just lazy. But too often the police get away with circling the wagons around the bad ones. That needs to change.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 2:32 pm #

          One is reminded of Ayatollah Khomeni’s Green Book. One of the questions asked, Can you eat the meat of an animal you have ejaculated in? Answer: No, it is unclean.

          It’s not very nice either – to kill and eat your lover even if only a sheep or cow.

          When are you converting? Or does the above nix it for you?

          • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:50 pm #

            One is reminded of Ayatollah Khomeni’s Green Book


            Don’t you mean Khadaffi’s “Green Book?”

        • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm #

          Those businesses were probably driven out of business by Negro shoplifting and intimidation. Thus the Green Book ended when the businesses that published it ended.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 2:29 pm #

        Good advice. It’s difficult for Negroes to follow directions even at the best of times, but being subordinate to a White Officer just bring out the worst in them. And know that, and how dangerous they are, the White Cop is ready to use his firearm.

        Likewise, Whites can’t ask Blacks for anything, like turn the music down or don’t leave your shopping cart in front of my car. The Black just hears any request as an order to pick cotton. Of course the Black may simply want an excuse to attack Whites. And Blacks can’t ask much of other Blacks either. In any case, since we can’t make reasonable request of Blacks, they really aren’t our fellow citizens.

        • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:28 am #

          “The Black just hears any request as an order to pick cotton”


          there is an element of truth to this observation Janos makes. But this behavior does NOT occur, and did not self assemble in a vacuum?

          Long term exposure to an abusive system such as racism will often distort and retard a persons ability to make rational decisions in their own self interest.

          Take myself for example; when it comes to taking a position on some topic, I can usually check to see where Janos is, and then take the other side, go in the opposite direction…

          I have much more in common with Janos than I do with an atheistic sodomite communist…

          but because Janos is a racist, at the end of the day, when its all said and done…

          thats where I’ll be.


          Because there is no alternative.

        • sophia June 11, 2017 at 6:48 pm #

          Not everyone behaves that way. But what bothers me about the current climate in academia, is that they are encouraging and fanning the flames of resentment about a racism that hardly exists anymore. Although many will disagree with me, I’m sure.

      • elysianfield June 10, 2017 at 4:15 pm #

        Remarkably good advice.

  57. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 5:31 am #

    Congress is asking the White House if tapes of Trump and Comey’s conversations exist

    A congressional committee wants to know if the White House did indeed keep tapes of President Donald Trump’s private conversations with James Comey, the former FBI director who testified in the Senate this week.


    Trump famous tweet, warning Comey about the possible existence of records of his conversations with him, before he begins to leak information to the press, was worm on the hook thrown in front of the mouth of the Clintonoids, with an invitation to demand these records ala Nixon case.

    And it seems that this collective Hillary, having lost her brain, believed that Trump does not know about the Nixon affair and blurted it out by stupidity, swallowed it line, hook and sinker.

    It just does not occur to them that when they jump through all hoops and involve everyone in the case, Trump will simply say that he meant the illegal wiretapping of his office, which Comey refused to investigate and which he most likely organized himself.

    And I believe that those tapes were confiscated from the Comey’s office after his unexpected dismissal while he was away by the Trump’s people in Justice Department.

  58. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 7:48 am #

    Didn’t President Carter’s brother Billy have buck teeth and sell a cheap canned beer called “Billy Beer”?

    “As if the scandal over Lance’s banking dealings wasn’t enough of an embarrassment for Jimmy Carter—seriously tarnishing his image of rectitude—intermediaries connected with American and Israeli intelligence managed to woo Carter’s brother Billy into a lucrative arms deal with the reviled Libyan dictator Mu’ammar al-Gadhafi. For obvious reasons, this looked very bad. The president was further embarrassed when it was revealed that Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s national security adviser, was providing Billy with classified information. 16”

  59. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 8:47 am #

    Back to the USSR

    By the will of heaven, the inevitable anti-Nazi revolution in Ukraine will be, if not socialist, then anti-capitalist for sure.

    I am curious, will the relations between Russia and Ukraine become better after this revolution?

    Poroshenko promised Ukrainians return to the USSR only in the songs of The Beatles


  60. volodya June 10, 2017 at 11:41 am #

    I don’t know if everything and everyone within the Deep State will be revealed as hollow and ghost-like as JHK sez. I think that the Deep Staters whose toes Trump stepped on, firstly by getting elected, are real enough.

    No matter that Trump isn’t up to the task of being president, the fact is that he got elected by out-smarting his rivals, Republican and Democrat alike. Facts are stubborn things and that Electoral College count is the most stubborn of them.

    But there are other facts, for example, the very real effort to un-seat Trump. That’s obvious on the face of it. The favored alternative is to create enough of a hue and cry that Trump abandons his post, that one fine day Trump packs up and gives the Nixon wave and boards the chopper.

    Impeachment? Over what? The FBI has been turning over rocks and digging holes for a year now looking for Russian spooks and oligarchs and money. But maybe the hope is that the constant aggravation of having to address the supposed “smoke” of collusion even if there’s no “fire”, that Trump does something so absurd that it can be gussied up as a high crime.

    In any case what IS the FBI looking for? Collusion? Nope, IMO, they’re looking for any dirt they can find. ANYTHING that can be used to tarnish Trump and in the end, get him gone. This is the mother of all fishing expeditions.

    But so far, the leaking, scheming politicians and bureaucrats (including Boy Scout Comey) and fulminating late-night comedians have come up goose-eggs. You can make fun of Trump and his tweets and you can say “collusion” until the Second Coming. But saying it doesn’t make it so.

    And even if they get rid of Trump, then what? It’s not like Hillary can waltz into the Oval Office. That ship sailed. If they didn’t like Trump, will the bi-coastal glitterati be happier with Mike Pence and his Missus?

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  61. volodya June 10, 2017 at 12:00 pm #

    It seems that the Deep state can’t live without an adversary. North Korea could be one and, on the surface of it at least, would put up a monumental fight. But the North Koreans for some reason don’t quite cut the mustard. No, the Pentagon and the various Intel agencies would rather have a go with the Russians. Don’t know why, given that they aren’t known as pushovers. Others have mis-underestimated Ivan’s patriotism with dire consequences.

    Now, a musical interlude and stage show. This is the Red Army Choir with marching Russian soldiers in various historical garb and, near the end, a drill team. All in all, pretty good. And Putin was in the audience. Enjoy:


  62. wm5135 June 10, 2017 at 12:16 pm #

    OneHungLo take a cruise on over to The Automatic Earth and look at today’s first linked article – Central Banks Have Bought A Record $1.5 Trillion In Assets In 2017 (ZH)
    Yassir the Trump rally!
    Let not your heart be obfuscated

  63. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 1:21 pm #

    Our girls in Israel


    • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 3:41 pm #

      I only see on Black face. Israel’s not going to survive unless it becomes multi-cultural – and that means multi-racial. It’s going to be a hard transformation for Israel to make – and Whites are going to be resented for the leading role we take in demanding it.

    • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:44 am #

      Y’all got some girls, but those ain’t really them.

      Just sayin

      • thwack June 11, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

        Im sortakindamaybe thinking about posting the link

  64. janet June 10, 2017 at 1:39 pm #

    “the fact is that he got elected by out-smarting his rivals” –volodya

    He got elected by telling lies to people so deplorable that they believed him. Now billionaire Trump is screwing the deplorable Trump voters the same way he screwed workers building the Trump Tower, the same way he screwed students in the fraudulent Trump University. Trump is a con artist who makes his livelihood screwing people.

    But when he grabbed one too many pussies the women who came forward were threatened with lawsuits. Of course Trump never followed through because he does not want to be deposed.

    The stupidest thing Trump has said is: PUT ME UNDER OATH. If the Republicans take him up on it, Trump will be deposed. Lies are one thing… but once deposed lies become perjury, obstruction of justice, impeachment. Trump out-smarted himself!

    • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

      Long live the deplorables!

    • sophia June 11, 2017 at 7:16 pm #

      Oh, Janet. I always think you’re a troll.

      Like I said, these days, it’s the nondeplorables who are lapping up the propaganda pablum. They are so compliant!

  65. wm5135 June 10, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

    On a day you make some high quality points about human beings you then turn the corner and make this statement -“people so deplorable that they believed him”. I seem to remember that some fellow whose philosophy is included in the foundation of western culture opined “The poor will always be with us”. There is more to poverty than lack of currency.

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    • volodya June 10, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

      There sure is more to poverty than lack of currency. Like lack of work, lack of medical care, lack of prospects, lack of hope. There’s a lot of other stuff that comes from these like family breakup, messed up kids, you know the ills.

      And to top it off, the ones that took away the economic mainstay of thousands of communities and caused all this ruin and despair, now judge the victims to be idiots and racists.

      When the military services skew Red and elite colleges skew Blue you have a PROBLEM.

    • onehunglo June 10, 2017 at 3:16 pm #

      ah, wm5135, you highly informed indeed.

      however, as you one einstein opine, “information is not knowledge.”

      inequality of life direct result inequality of intellect.

      you one government policy encourage too many poor and low intellect reproduce furthering tragic cycle of dependency and de-evolution.

      you one mike judge make movie :”idiocracy” accurate depiction of future civilization as result of poor policy creating more poor.

      that ok.

      let not you heart be troubled.

      may God be with you.


      • pequiste June 10, 2017 at 4:35 pm #

        Onehunglo prove he OK: knows Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy” not only hilarious and sublime satire but also accurate prophesy.

  66. John Howard June 10, 2017 at 3:28 pm #

    The New York Times hates Russia because Russia is anti-gay marriage. The NYTimes hates marriage

    And they don’t go for xir and xe gender non binary stuff, either.

    Do you guys see how same sex marriage is just as insane as saying Caitlyn Jenner is a woman?

    • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 3:56 pm #

      The New York Times hates Russia because it is a rupor for anti-Christian Sect that hates Orthodox Christianity since the time of the Fourth Crusade.

      • John Howard June 10, 2017 at 4:39 pm #

        I don’t know about that history stuff. Ok forget the New York Times.

        Russia is very pro family, pro heterosexuality, pro manliness. The globalists and Hillary prioritized gay marriage and smashing the patriarchy over everything else. They want to end marriage as meaning the right to have children with the couple’s own genes and bodies, which Trump and Putin will preserve as the only way there is a right to have children. (Of course unmarried people will keep having children, but it won’t be as supported as marriage because there isn’t a right).

        The voters prefer Putin over Hillary. Local Sex over Global Transhumanism

        • FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 5:11 pm #

          What you call “Globalists” is the same Sect that 70 years ago manifested as National Socialism – Nazism, now it merged with it seeming opposite, but still keeps its fundamental anti-Christian core.

          • John Howard June 10, 2017 at 6:34 pm #

            Yup the nazis and American eugenicists of a hundred years ago regrouped after World War Two as libertarian transhmananists.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 8:38 pm #

            So all people are equal? There is no such equality. People vary in quality just like horses and dogs.

          • John Howard June 10, 2017 at 10:19 pm #

            Sure, of course. But reproductive rights are equal, even if some people are less fit than others.

            All people have an equal right to procreate, but only as the sex they have most potential.

            Every man has equal right to impregnate, every woman has an equal right to be pregnant.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 11, 2017 at 1:51 am #

            No, we want the gifted to have more children than the less gifted – and the defective to have none….

          • thwack June 11, 2017 at 8:28 am #

            In order to do what?

          • John Howard June 11, 2017 at 12:40 pm #

            Which am I, defective or gifted? Should I feel guilty I didn’t have kids, or virtuous? My genes are exceptional, Generations of phd’s and anobby artists on both sides.

        • malthuss June 11, 2017 at 11:46 am #

          Russia is very pro family, –In USSR a woman averaged
          how many abortions? 7?
          I read [long ago] that between the Muslims and the abortions, the USSR was doomed.
          How right ‘The Enquirer’ [or whatever magazine] was.

          • John Howard June 11, 2017 at 2:40 pm #

            This whole fight is over marriage. Russia and Trump are on marriage’s side, Globalists on Transhumanism Eugenics side.

      • sophia June 11, 2017 at 7:28 pm #

        True of Europe as well. Alexander Nevsky had to choose between fighting the Muslim hordes and the Roman Catholic ones. He thought Russia’s religion could survive the Muslims, but not the RCs. So he fought on the European front. We may therefore thank him for this most sublime music:


  67. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 3:52 pm #

    The constitutional monarchy, which lacks the Constitution, is absolute

    For the second time, the senseless voting is an instrument in the hands of the Queen. First, Cameron was against Brexit, but on someone’s insistence started a referendum on this topic, which he successfully lost.

    And now Theresa May, who was also against Brexit, but after the referendum, was appointed by somebody to the post of Prime Minister to conduct Brexit in the roughest mode.

    And now she, or rather her party, having a majority in the parliament, for some reason started extraordinary elections, which they lost with a crash in the sense that her party lost the majority in parliament and now in order to conduct Brexit it will have to please the Unionists from Northern Ireland who are firmly opposed by Catholics and Irish nationalists.

  68. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 5:16 pm #

    Looks like RussiaGate crushed and burned! Janet’s giving up on Trump’s impeachment.

  69. wm5135 June 10, 2017 at 5:55 pm #

    I do not believe Mr. Trump or his circle or the Bush Bunch or the Clinton cabal will destroy America. There has always been tension between those who were populist in their goals and those who sought to establish an aristocracy. Just look at the campaigns between Adams and Jefferson.
    The point is, the Buddha had a keen eye and a direct experience of the nature of life on this planet, life is suffering. To my knowledge there has never been a time when a small minority controlled more than 80% of the wealth that they did not fail. At each point in history the deplorable remained, picked up the pieces and went on with family and creating community.
    Mr. Madison was a fully modern man and the Constitution of the United States is a road map to the future. The current bullshit of originalist thought is a truck load of low quality organic fertilizer. The history of Europe was fresh on the minds of the men who sought to form our union. The goals of freedom, responsibility and self government will not be destroyed by Mr. Trump. To be free one must have courage and endurance.
    I might have a different opinion on social matters than many who comment here, but there is a thread of commitment to the ideals of our Constitution among us that creates a fabric that is durable and not easily torn apart.

  70. wm5135 June 10, 2017 at 6:16 pm #

    “you one government policy encourage too many poor and low intellect reproduce furthering tragic cycle of dependency and de-evolution.”
    you one arrogant prick
    your heart should be troubled

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  71. FincaInTheMountains June 10, 2017 at 6:53 pm #

    Dirty-mouth comedian Bill Maher: I’ll kiss your black ass, I’ll suck your black dick, I’ll lick your black pussy, just puleeeze, do not take away my multi-million HBO contract!

    • elysianfield June 10, 2017 at 7:41 pm #

      I saw that segment…Maher, very contrite, issued an apology, practically prostrated himself and groveled…then the three black guests in the segment ragged on him for a total of 15 minutes+, never did let the issue go. It was the white guest, a former Florida Congressman, who suggested they accept the apology, as he did, and move on. Shameful and ugly episode. One should never grovel in front of these whining victims of their own imagination…Dyson called again for reparations, large black woman, part of the press contingent on Bernie Sanders Campaign, described herself as a “token”, and Ice Cube…yeah, Ice Cube be having a “knife in his heart” when he heard the word “nigga”…give a fucking break…please.

      • pequiste June 10, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

        Just to give some “equal” time to the oppressed, misunderstood and downtrodden, perhaps Bill Maher should provide a shining example of a superior racial “culture” and practice in these, our extremely bizarre times.

        Nikki Minaj would be the perfect guest to have on his show after his groveling apology and contrition. This is THE “song” she should “sing” (plus show the video) for everyone to see and enjoy:


        And Ice CUbe’s head could possibly explode; it is that good.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 8:18 pm #

        I’m not an HBO subscriber, but I listened to the audio podcast of the most recent episode this morning — and no, I won’t give you a break. I say, Finc‘s opinion is ugly as shit, and yours isn’t much better. The racial fissure in American society may one day heal, or it may get worse, but there’s nothing imaginary about it or what African Americans put up with.

        I read some of the shitty comments posted here and I shake my head at the vileness. Then I note that even some of the commenters who aren’t outright racist dungholes still complain about “whining victims”, and I almost think they’re worse. Yes, this means you, elysianfield. Despite everything, the racist dungholes are still fringe. The problem is that eye-rolling dismissal like yours is still mainstream.

        Despite everything, there could yet be reconciliation in American society. That reconciliation, if it happens, will require the establishment of trust. The black community has made it clear that for that trust to happen, they need whites to understand why the N-word is out of bounds for them, and to respect that fact. Even if you don’t understand it, even if you don’t like it, try respecting it anyway. Act like you want to be neighbours with your neighbours, not enemies. You’ll be doing your country a favour.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 10, 2017 at 8:32 pm #

          No, you’re decades behind the times. White by and large, did the work. Blacks didn’t. They just scapegoated Whites for their endless failures. Suppose you cheated on your wife and got caught. You ask for forgiveness but she treats with contempt forever after. Would you stay? Why? She doesn’t forgive you even if she says she does. Likewise, Blacks will never forgive Whites, both for what they did and for be being better than them at most things.

        • elysianfield June 11, 2017 at 10:16 am #

          “Despite everything, there could yet be reconciliation in American society. That reconciliation, if it happens, will require the establishment of trust. The black community has made it clear that for that trust to happen, they need whites to understand why the N-word is out of bounds for them, and to respect that fact. Even if you don’t understand it, even if you don’t like it, try respecting it anyway. Act like you want to be neighbours with your neighbours, not enemies. You’ll be doing your country a favour.”

          I reject your statement in it’s entirety.

          Cracker! Motherfucking White Bread! Casper! Ofay! Redneck!
          Whitey! I have received these invectives spat in hatred, with obvious hate in the eyes of those spitting. I am not scarred for life, nor feel diminished in any way…I have been also called these terms of endearment in jest, and accepted them as presented. The fact that those on the show did not accept Maher’s groveling, shows a complete lack of civility, humanity, and dignity…a sense of victimhood that is held so closely as to never be relinquished. There will be NO solution to race in this country so long as this crutch is being leaned upon by the blacks in our country.

          YOU, Elrond, with all respect, suffer from a lack of experience…your feel-good Marxist views on racial animus and it’s solutions are…precious!

          On a final note…what words, actions, and crimes are out of bounds for the black race? What must whites do to make sure the blacks understand and respect this?

          • thwack June 11, 2017 at 12:08 pm #

            On a final note…what words, actions, and crimes are out of bounds for the black race?


            I don’t think there are any?

            And that fact is proof (not evidence) that black people are at the very bottom of the dominance hierarchy.

            Even the word “nigger” is proof we occupy the bottom; because there is no legal definition of the word. If you go to court over some race related stuff, the judge is not going to ask:

            1. What is a nigger?

            2. Are you a nigger?

            Its not even clear it specifically means a black person anymore?

            The only thing everyone seems to understand is that it describes a person at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy; WHATEVER THAT IS?

            evidently, in this culture, thats the worst thing a person can be?

            Maybe this is why black people can’t let go of it?

            Wasn’t Lebron James whining about “the “N” word” last week?


            He’s filthy rich

            Dominates an entire sport

            probably has a foot long penis…

            Lebron James is a long, long way from the bottom of the dominance hierarchy.

            Just sayin

          • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:46 pm #

            “Cracker! Motherfucking White Bread! Casper! Ofay! Redneck!
            Whitey! I have received these invectives spat in hatred, with obvious hate in the eyes of those spitting.”


            What about “Honkey?” and “Pink Face?”

      • thwack June 10, 2017 at 9:54 pm #

        Years ago in response to the 2 major parties keeping him off the ballet, Ralph Nader was heard saying “they treated me like a nigger.”

        So all the usual niggers started demanding an apology from Nader; Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rev. bla la bla Neckbone the 3rd…

        I can’t remember if Nader apologized? Because his observation was accurate. The democrats and republicans did treat him like a nigger. They both conspired to keep him off the ballot.

        Im not sure what all the head blacks in charge were mad about?

        Nader knew black people were mistreated and subject to injustice?

        Was that some kind of secret?

        he could have said, “they treated me like a leper”

        • elysianfield June 11, 2017 at 10:23 am #

          “he could have said, “they treated me like a leper”

          Mack Daddy,
          Who, then, will stand up for the injured sensibilities of the lepers?

          Nader’s comment was certainly a sign of the times 50+ years ago…three generations have past, and things are a bit different now…time to call in the dogs, piss on the fire, and get on with life…the ball is in your court…show some grace.

        • sophia June 11, 2017 at 7:46 pm #

          The loud mouths doing all the complaining are not logical and reasonable like you are, Thwack.

          And, I think you misunderstood the above question. What elysian field is saying is that blacks are not always the victims, are sometimes very aggressive, and whites are afraid of them, afraid to make a stand when certain behaviors might be out of bounds like the N word.

        • sophia June 12, 2017 at 9:32 am #

          No, the expressions are slightly different in meaning and he used the right one.

  72. Elrond Hubbard June 10, 2017 at 7:56 pm #

    Janet: “The deplorables who voted for Trump deserve what Trump will take from them and ensuing poverty.”

    Nihilism. That’s all that liberals are good for any more: a scorched-earth battle for the poison chalice of power, at the tail end of industrial capitalism. The election of Trump can’t possibly mean that the Democrats have failed the people; it must mean that the people have failed the Democrats.

    I devoutly hope that either Bernie Sanders or a successor of his succeeds in taking back the Democratic Party, as Jeremy Corbyn has apparently succeeded in taking back Labour. There’s really no other way a constructive alternative to the joint nihilism of today’s parties will present itself. And time is desperately short.

  73. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 8:33 pm #

    Bush Family: Nexus of Investment Banking (Prescott Bush) + Oil. It’s not clear who in the Oligarchy now represents the interests of Silicon Valley in government? It’ll get “Really Weird” when rather than Bankers and Oilmen, we’ve got Computer Geeks in government running the show?

  74. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 8:36 pm #

    An Investment Banker manifests his Power Needs by propogating Debt dependency. An Oilman projects his Power Needs by grabbing the Oil. How does a Computer Geek project his Power Needs?

  75. Pucker June 10, 2017 at 9:01 pm #

    Maybe the Computer Geeks will dispense with traditional concepts of Government and Force (money + weapons), and try to get the cost of an iPhone down to 5 bucks and then go for World Domination via Mind Control and digital money? AI runs everything?

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  76. Pucker June 11, 2017 at 1:25 am #

    It may all break down because the technology will become so complex that no one will understand it and, consequently, the technology will not be a viable platform for people to project their Power Needs, except for an elite few, like Elon Musk, who themselves merge with the technology? Most people will only be able to gratify their Power Needs in a Virtual Reality vegetative mental state, or by claiming special status as part of an “oppressed” group?

    • thwack June 11, 2017 at 8:27 am #

      I think Joseph Tainter with his book “The Collapse of Complex Societies” has the most best analysis of the intrinsic liabilities and structural flaws of the techno narcissist wet dream.

      But my personal opinion is the simpler explanation that the basic corrupt nature of man will always, in the end, eat up any technical solutions, no matter how brilliant.

      “Spam” and computer viruses are an example.

      Speed bumps

      Tamper proof packaging…

      You gotta strip to take an airline fight

      Just sayin

  77. FincaInTheMountains June 11, 2017 at 5:42 am #

    Looks like Bill Maher offer of sexual favors didn’t work for him: they still want his head on a platter:

    Bill Maher Is A Dangerous White Man


    By they I do not mean the blacks, I mean the Sect.

    • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:51 am #

      His response was genuinely funny.

      It was clever, witty, with great timing.

      It was not mean or abusive.

      Im a nigger and I approve this joke.

      • elysianfield June 11, 2017 at 10:26 am #

        Mack Daddy,

        I approve of your approval….

      • sophia June 11, 2017 at 7:52 pm #

        I’m not at all allergic to conspiracy theories. I think there’s an all out effort on the part of the string holders to put forth into the public discourse domain only the lowest and vilest utterances, so that we may all think the worst of one another and begin to distrust one another. I do not find that most black people are that bitter but only the lousiest are given voice.

        A day of reconciliation and forgiveness is in order.

  78. FincaInTheMountains June 11, 2017 at 6:40 am #

    As one can see Hillary was in charge of this too

    That what was waiting for us if she became president

    Waco – A New Revelation

    This 1999 film opened Pandora’s box with an excellent examination of the events.Once again the crime goes all the way to the top,with the true criminals never seeing the light of day.The policies employed by our government are not legal and continue to mock the Constitution, which is the Law of the Land. It is our Law, the peoples law to keep the government in check. Instead we have lost control of our country, which looks more like a criminal empire than a Republic. For a country founded on Dissent and Revolution, we have evolved into slaves to a corporate Empire. History is not teaching us anything if we don’t remind ourselves of it once in a while.


  79. FincaInTheMountains June 11, 2017 at 8:01 am #

    About everything

    The main news about Trump’s big victory over Bastinda is the lack of news.

    Imagine what would have happened if the interrogation of the Comey by Senate Commission had found at least some reason for impeachment.

    No, of course, if the Witch is alive, after a week or two she will come up with some kind of a nasty shit, but during these two weeks Trump, who knows her well, will inflict a couple of blows on the Deep State.

    By the way, the Clintonoids were mostly shocked by the speech at the hearings of “old friend” of Russia and Trump Senator McCain, up to the assumptions about sudden senile marasmus. This is what the Bulgakov novel leads to in combination with a kick in the balls and a reference to Hanoi Hilton. Immediately a rush of memories, and all …

    As for this post – http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/moby-trump/#comment-306405
    , Britain by law is really an absolute monarchy and there is no Constitution, and it is administered by the Privy Council of Her Majesty that stands above party squabbles.

    And Trump, apparently, has no problems with the Privy Council, but there is a complete mutual understanding.

    By the way, according to Western mythology, the sacred right of kings is that no witches have power over them (unlike over demos), and half of the Brothers Grimm tales are about it.

    As for the statement that the world is not ruled by a Secret Lodge, but by an obvious crap and in today’s Russia it was articulated by Mr. Pelevin in an interview with Expert magazine and had a huge influence on Russian politics, perhaps more than the tanks shooting at the Moscow’s White House in 1991.

    And in the West, this concept is called the “Hanlon razor” with a clear reference to “Occam’s razor”. And this reference is so well worked out that it refutes itself, because the authors of the concept clearly knew what the real thing is, I would even say the historical meaning of Occam’s razor.

    And this is an essential point, so the other name for Hanlon’s razor is the expression Full deniability and the first known application of the concept of “Big Crappy Lie” in practice was the official version of the Fourth Crusade, according to which the Crusaders took Constantinople by mistake or because they did not have enough money to buy tickets to Palestine.

    And the last application of this concept known to me is the “stupidity of Gorbachev,” who did not know what he was doing when he was ruining the USSR. And so the Deep State of the USA already makes claims to Russia for the election of Trump, and Russia does not make any claims to anyone for the election of Gorbachev as Secretary General of the Communist Party of USSR, and denies in a soft form that the Russian Federation is the legal successor to the USSR.

    And the circle closes by the fact that on the British Isles officially there are two states – Great Britain and the Deep State of Great Britain – The City of London, where the English king, despite the absolute power by law, can not even enter without the written permission of the Lord Mayor of London, who is fundamentally different from the mayor of London – the Pakistani, whom Trump accuses of Islamism.

    And the British parliamentary system and the so-called non-traditional society created by the son of a man who was so shocked by the genocide of Orthodox Christians during the Fourth Crusade that he returned to France and organized genocide in the south of France.

    And then the Albigensian crusade, which was part of the Fourth Crusade, spread to England, and the Fourth Crusade was stopped only by the invasion of Genghis Khan, finally only 80 years after the Sicilian Vespers, which was a joint operation of the British and Byzantine intelligence services.

    Welcome to the Brave New World!!!

  80. wm5135 June 11, 2017 at 10:29 am #

    It’s Sunday how about some religious zeal. Timeline:

    16th Century Europe and the symbolic language of Algebra is in place and the refinements of calculus are underway. I will be discreet and not mention the origins and foundations of European algebra and subsequent advancements.
    At approximately 11% of the global human population the caucasian members of the species have created the modern global culture.
    Poised and steady at the top of the high platform the modern global culture is poised to perform a triple gainer with full twist into an empty concrete pool. Projected score – 10/10 – 10 for difficulty and 10 for execution, a perfect score.
    Yes I can see that this modern culture is superior in EVERY way.
    At this moment:
    Zealous defenders of the faith of superiority are tapping the microphone and clearing their throats as they prepare to issue full doctrinal statements which of course are infallible due to previous doctrinal statements.
    All this accomplished in just 5.2 centuries, a tip of the hat is surely due.
    That ought to do it. Feeling zealous?

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    • sauerkraut June 11, 2017 at 2:07 pm #

      1. Why not mention India? It was the Indus civilization which gave it to the Arabs.
      2. 11% ? Hell no. 0.011% – 50 centuries of thinkers. You know, the ones who are despised throughout the USA.
      3. Yep. The thinkers have been warning about this for 2 centuries now. But who has listened? Just other thinkers.
      4. Nope. As you noted in point 1, algebra was already there. So was geometry. And writing. And even the precursors of the scientific method. It’s not been 5 centuries, it’s been 50. And not by whites, by humans with enough food to fund a thinking class.

      Race is another distraction. And, as you correctly note, distractions in these days can kill.

  81. janet June 11, 2017 at 12:05 pm #

    I will be discreet and not mention the origins and foundations of European algebra and subsequent advancements. –wm5135


    Islam is native to Europe.

    European algebra comes from Islam. The word algebra came from the title of a book written about 825 A.D. by the Arab mathematician Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khowarizmi.

    After a nasty caucasian interlude in which millions died in white-on-white violence, Islam will once again rightfully reign in Europe.

    • thwack June 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm #

      Not without a fight.

      They couldn’t even take over Ethiopia and its right next door?

      • janet June 11, 2017 at 1:01 pm #

        “Not without a fight.” –thwack

        Fighting is old school. Ballots not bullets and voila! Muslim mayor of London. No fighting needed.

        • pequiste June 11, 2017 at 4:48 pm #

          Tell that to your friends at ISIS, Boko HAram, Al Shabab, Taliban, ISIS Philippines, ISIS Libya, Al Nusra, Yzlamik Brotherhood, CAIR, Yzlamik terrorists in Europe, Yzlamik terrorists in North America, Yzlamik terrorists in Africa, Yzlamik terrorists in Asia, Yzlamik terrorists the world over.

          With true allegiance and support for Yzlamik murdering terrorists everywhere and gleefully awaiting the return of the Caliphate to Europe (and beyond) with requisite Sharia, female genital mutilation, destruction of kuffar religious institutions, Jizya tax, chopping off of hands and heads etc., sounds to me like “Janet” is an enemy of of all kuffars – eh “Janet?”

  82. tucsonspur June 11, 2017 at 4:43 pm #

    The obloquy against the obnoxious Orcinus Orca crashes over him like rough, rolling seas, but his blow hole incessantly spouts salty tweets in defiant return.

    Damn, isn’t it annoying. And, the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming. They just can’t beach this whale, can they?

    No way, it couldn’t be the Wicked Witch from Wellesley. We’d be drowning in seas of “progressivism” and political correctness, eventually waking one morning to hear the muezzin calling Muslims to prayer from the local minaret.

    Jonah survived the belly of the whale and so can the Deplorables and the nation. This whale blasted the barnacles from a corroding political hull, and eviscerated and exposed the slimy eels.

    May Neptune’s trident deflect the Left’s harpoons, and guide this calamitous cetacean to calmer waters.

    • pequiste June 11, 2017 at 4:49 pm #

      Man was that rant salty!

      • tucsonspur June 11, 2017 at 5:11 pm #

        Oceans of gratitude from the not so Northern latitudes.

  83. FincaInTheMountains June 11, 2017 at 5:24 pm #

    They just can’t beach this whale, can they? == tucsonspur

    Comey was so scared, having received one of the questions that at least 3 times he made a mistake, or if you want lied, dumping Hillary in the open hearings, thus giving Republican Senators at least 3 reasons to accuse him of perjury under oath and consequently to pull everythingout of him during the closed doors meetings of the commission.

    And judging by the expression on the face of one of the senators, they already did so, and this changes the situation fundamentally to the exact opposite.

    Part of the democratic (Democratic!!!) party in this war went over to the Trump’s side and now Bastinda is finished!

  84. janet June 11, 2017 at 5:52 pm #

    “and now Bastinda is finished!” –finca

    Any chance that means you’ll stop talking about her?

    • FincaInTheMountains June 11, 2017 at 6:32 pm #

      Yes, of course, Janet, after the wooden stake ceremony on the White House lawn televised world-wide on CNN.

      • janet June 11, 2017 at 8:34 pm #

        So, NOT finished. Good.

  85. janet June 11, 2017 at 8:33 pm #

    “Janet” is an enemy of of all kuffars – eh “Janet?” –pequiste

    pequiste, the word Kafir does not mean non-Muslim. The original meaning of the word was “concealer”, one who conceals the truth of Islam.

    By dedicating so much attention to Islam you are giving more exposure to Islam, the opposite of Kafir. You are helping everyone to become more curious about Islam, the religion of peace.

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    • pequiste June 11, 2017 at 9:22 pm #

      Whatever you want to call the Adventist, Animist , Atheist, Ba’hai, Buddhist, Catholic, Christian, Confucian, Druid, Hindu, Jain, Jew, Mormon, Satanist, Shintoist, Sikh, Taoist, Voodoo, or Wicca practitioner and whatever other confession exists on God’s little green Earth; your good friends at Yzlamik Jihad and Terror Worldwide call them the Infidel Enemy and want to subjugate, enslave or murder them.

      And you — collaborator, Quisling. You who look forward with hope and prayers for the worldwide Yzlamik Caliphate. Unless, of course “janet,” you are yourself a Mohammedan. That would explain much.

      • janet June 11, 2017 at 10:53 pm #

        “Adventist, Animist , Atheist, Ba’hai, Buddhist, Catholic, Christian, Confucian, Druid, Hindu, Jain, Jew, Mormon, Satanist, Shintoist, Sikh, Taoist, Voodoo, or Wicca practitioner…”

        You left out rationalists, scientists, engineers and intellectuals who worship Reason and have collectively developed weapons with the capability to destroy the earth many times over, not to mention the harmful effects of science and technology on our environment and chances for survival or health science that leads to iatrogenic disease and death. The negatives of science and technology, of scientism, should be added to the list you cite of practitioners of other religions in addition to science.

        Science is a religion that is harmful because science believes humans are special, it casts out heretics, persecutes all other religions, reveres its own saints, makes up stories to explain our origins, has its own code of ethics, has its own priesthood, is based on established dogmas, bends to accommodate modern trends, etc. Most of science is unfounded. Science requires faith. Often blind faith. Believers in science.

        • pequiste June 12, 2017 at 8:42 am #

          Skirting the accusation of Yzlamik collaborator of by deflecting the discussion to engineering, rationalism, Capitalism, scientism or any other praxis, ideology or theology leaves one with a distinct impression that Janet does not or cannot safely explain away the prior statement ” Islam will once again rightfully reign in Europe.”

          The discussion of Power and MOney is absolutely central to understanding our collective Human predicament but not as a device to avoid stating the obvious about the “religion of peace” and its objective of global Caliphate.

    • thwack June 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm #

      and Janet drives hard into the paint for the easy lay up

  86. BackRowHeckler June 12, 2017 at 4:00 am #

    So far this spring its been pretty peaceful around here, just your run of the mill gundowns but that’s about it. No mass civil insurrections in the cities like we have been promised. I realize summer hasn’t even begun yet, but still! The weather has been hot the past day or two. Down in Bridgeport they found a guy inside a burnt out car shot in the head; last night in Hartford an unfortunate guy got shot and is dead. In short, nothing out of the ordinary.

    One thing we’ve had plenty of is massive deadly car wrecks on our roads and interstates, another feature of modern American entropy that nobody pays much attention to.


  87. FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 4:48 am #

    Leader of US White Project Senator Feinstein: Congress should probe whether Lynch provided cover for Clinton


    A clear enough signal to the “White” Democrats to start jumping the sinking ship of the Black Project.

  88. AHtheHumanity June 12, 2017 at 5:06 am #

    Does anyone really understand how the elites operate way up there in the skies over us…buzzing back and forth…to and fro…up and down…wheeling and dealing…while we down here…the little people…with no influence whatsoever on anything…we just take whatever is dished out to us on CNN and whatever is dished out to us in the fast food retail franchises. The global retail sales for 2015 was 25 Trillion Dollars. Global arms deals are more than 100 Billion Dollars (Amnesty International). Killing people is not lucrative. Keeping people alive is way better for business. If one is willing to lose your life to produce some oil that will last a few minutes, then go for it. Why should we stop him? They lived life the way they want. It gives the guys something to do that gives them dignity. Legends are produced on both sides: Allah/God.

  89. FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 5:48 am #

    Conflict with Qatar: the Saudis stepped into Saddam Hussein’s trap

    Trump set up King Salman worse than Bush Sr. set up Saddam Hussein

    Let me remind you that the idea of the New Middle East was first publicly announced in 2006. At the geopolitical level, it was voiced by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in June 2006, describing the war between Israel and Lebanon with the following phrase: “What we are seeing today is essentially the beginning of labor contractions resulting in the birth of the New Middle East. And whatever we do, we should be aware that we are working for this New Middle East.”

    By the way, after this Rice’s phrase, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi told his Syrian counterpart Bashar Assad: “Now they will come for us”. Assad only laughed in response.


    The digestion of Syria failed due to purposeful actions of Russia; therefore it was decided to proceed without delay to the next one – digesting the monarchies of the Arabian Peninsula, the beginning of which, perhaps, we are now observing. There is somehow certainty that as a small Kuwaiti David defeated the great Iraqi Goliath, just as little Qatari David will defeat the great Saudi.

    There are too many analogies in the way that the oil-rich Iraq wanted to increase its territory with Kuwait’s oil, and now the Saudi Arabian oil wants to increase its territories with Qatar gas.

    The main “joke” of the situation is that, unlike Bush Sr., Trump arranged so that the Saudis also paid $380 billion for their own disappearance from the political map of the world. Perhaps part of the deal was the amount that the Saudis paid for Trump’s non-interference in the upcoming attempt of absorption of Qatar.

    And if there is any hint that the actions of Russia and the United States on Syria are coordinated at least in part (through the interaction of the military of the two countries), then the assumption that with the strengthening of Trump position within US, we can agree on a much more extensive range of mutually beneficial interactions throughout the New Middle East, cease to be just assumptions.

    In any case, the current intensification of the conflict in the Middle East between the countries – the main sponsors of both world terrorism and the global party of war – will be beneficial to all national-oriented forces. “Sow the wind – reap a storm” – a very piquant ending for those political forces that relied on terror as a factor in the growth of their influence and the elimination of the interests of the big global players.

    It seems that the Kremlin and the new administration of the White House are jointly returning this genie of terror back to the bottle from which it once crept out.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 12, 2017 at 8:18 am #

      Now, after the go ahead to the Saudis by Trump, and with the full support of the London-Qatar intelligence services, this important bridgehead will be cleared from the remnants of Hillary’s and her team influence.

      But most importantly, the emir of Qatar and his family, which controls huge financial resources, will now use them with even greater caution, agreeing each step with global financial control.

  90. katehuddson August 21, 2017 at 7:53 am #


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