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     History will notice — even if we are too chickenshit to face it now — that the extraordinary turpitudes of US politics today represent an unprecedented failure of American manhood. It’s everywhere and pervasive along the spectrum of party politics, as untruth is everywhere and pervasive in American life.
     The Republican case is too painfully obvious – Congressman Todd Akin being only the latest buffoon from the vast red state flyover cultural wilderness of franchise food and franchise thought to expose himself as lacking the basic male decency to defend womanhood against the consequences of plain-and-simple rape. In Dixieland Republicanism – now a misty region-of-mind that extends way beyond the old Confederate borders – you have the perfect confluence of sheer stupidity with the put-on, fake religiosity of men too weak to take responsibility for their own actions. They can just pawn everything off on Jesus: the good, the bad, the mystifying, the shameful. All the Republican men have to do is show up at the Nascar oval in time for barbeque. As for the courage of convictions, watch VP-designate Paul Ryan haul his mom out before a crowd of Florida retirees to prove his allegiance to Medicare and Social Security – two programs he would like to dismantle – on top of the fact that his mom is exactly the sort of multi-millionaire who a sane society would means-test out of receiving old-age support from the less fortunate taxpayers.
     The Democratic party case is more interesting to me, being a life-long registered Democrat, perhaps partly accounted for by my Manhattan Jewish upbringing. I was coming-of-age and paying attention when Lyndon B. Johnson chose manfully to sacrifice the future votes of all Dixieland – his home territory – by signing legislation aimed at resolving the unfinished business of the Civil War. Even the fiasco of Vietnam that followed the Civil Rights years was acknowledged by many Democrats then in power as a tragic error. They had the courage of men conscious in crisis.
      A perverse residue of those Civil Rights years lingers on today in the campaign for gay marriage, which affects to be identical in substance, and which is now, ironically, the only vector of action in Democratic politics inviting male valor – while it is also a huge distraction from many far more pressing tribulations we face, from resource scarcity to the well-being of the only planetary ecosystem we call home. I say, ironically, because gay marriage represents an existential endeavor that seeks to escape or nullify the fundamental tensions of the two-sexed human race. Like all things fashion-oriented, its essence is novelty, and the essence of novelty is that its charms wear off.  Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it. I bring it up because the Democrats have (foolishly) made it the public’s business to the exclusion of other things. So, for Democrats, the last remaining imaginable act of male valor in the arena of politics is to come out of the closet. Where else is valor found in Democratic politics? What amount of valor has been attached to the act of fighting to reestablish the rule of law in American finance, upon which the fate of the nation truly hangs? 
     None. Zero. Last week Mr. Obama’s Department of Justice dropped its case against Goldman Sachs’s CDO swindling operations – a case that was served up on a silver platter by the report from Senator Carl Levin’s Senate subcommittee hearings. Not one lawyer in the entire DOJ took a public stand against that act of gross negligence. It’s only the latest in a long string of failures-of-nerve in the desperately needed rescue of legitimacy in American affairs. Every agency head, every person in authority in Mr. Obama’s government has evaded the single-most pressing issue of our time. From the center of power to the margins of power and everywhere in between, real masculine courage is absent.
      Where was valor in the face of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, when some Democrat in the two other branches of government could have proposed a legislative remedy, even a constitutional amendment, to clarify the distinction between the standing of citizens and corporations in wielding money as political speech? Who in Obamaland has asked Jamie Dimon to account for JP Morgan’s missing $6 billion? And, of course, Jon Corzine is still at large.
     In fact, all the male energies in American political economy have been directed lately in the service of a one multifarious enterprise: the support of fraud, which includes the promotion of untruth, the protection of the wicked, and the evasion of reality. That can only end badly as this vast cargo of lies passes through the event horizon of circumstance and sucks us into the unknown territory that lies beyond the fall of empire. You can be certain of this: genuine male energy will re-emerge from the shadows and that energy will re-engage the still unresolved tensions abroad in this land.  When they do, anything can happen. For now, the election of 2012 remains a mere pussy riot.
      The storm churning through the Gulf of Mexico may remind us just how large and uncontrollable the forces of nature are as the curtain rises on the political season of a grievously misled nation.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. fiedag August 27, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    Good evening from Australia, where it is Monday night. Every week I look forward to the next instalment. Keep it up Jim, and thank you.

  2. philski August 27, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Pussy Riot, eh..?

  3. Hammering Truth August 27, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    Are you speaking of Hurricane Christy? The big phony is about to hit the Florida Coast. http://youtu.be/lwj9AEn2iPg

  4. orbit7er August 27, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    well one former Democrat with the courage of his convictions has left the Corporatist parties to inveigh against the illegal Libyan war, the failure to prosecute War Crimes and torture, and yes, last night when I heard him speak to directly acknowledge Peak Oil – namely Rocky Anderson of the newly formed Justice Party – http;//voterocky.org .

    As for the Republicans and another tropical storm – I would suggest they simply do as they do for all other problems – just deny its existence and go on with BAU! lol

    Let’s see how that works out for them!

    At least Propertarian Ron Paul is speaking against the $1 Trillion per year wasted on War, even as alleged “Austerians” Ryan-Romney want to waste even more on endless Wars and air conditioned strip malls for US soldiers only in Afghanistan etc.

    As gasoline prices once again “unexpectedly” rise, it looks like Obama will be forced to dip into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve once again to calm oil prices before the election.

  5. fiedag August 27, 2012 at 9:01 am #

    YEs it could be that keyword that has the googleads sidebar showing four Asian beauties online and ready to chat. Male Energies indeed…

  6. Headless August 27, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    I am truly sick of US.

  7. lulabelle August 27, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    I am, as always, shocked and awed by your vulgar words and “to the point” truthful comments. It hurts to hear them, but they must be heard. Thank you for being “man” enough to say them.

  8. Smokyjoe August 27, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    I’m scratching my head at this:
    “Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it. ”
    It’s easy to jump on JHK as a homophobic grump, so let’s just say that I don’t agree with him. The movement toward equality for gays and lesbians is an actuarial matter. The old hate it…the young favor it. Give it time.
    So let’s turn to the real issue for me: white Southern males. We…I’m one of them…are the problem. We have made a lot of damned Yankees start to act like us, and it has poisoned the well and turned us insane.
    That’s where JHK *is* spot-on correct. We have a male culture of pot-bellied dumbass good ol’ boys from coast to coast now, except in the urban enclaves.
    Maybe that too will be an actuarial matter, just like racism and homophobia. Millennials are not buying into it, from what I see.
    But this good ol’ boy is keeping a stock of ammo ready, just in case the Corn-Pone Nazis, their cross draped in a flag, do start overturning our Constitution. Seems we already have cruel and unusual punishment in the outdoor “detention centers” in Arizona, where the undocumented aliens are made to wear stripes and work in chains. Temperatures have reached 130 degrees but hey, they are Mexicans and can take it! Just like some of my ancestors said about their imported “property” from Africa.
    Well, “arbeit macht frei,” as some wag one scribed over a camp gate. Even in “the Land of the Free.”

  9. Belisarius August 27, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    Very good post. Your commentary evoked images of “sucessfull” American politicians as “unmade men”; or neutered houseboys of the corrupt elite.

  10. BeingThere August 27, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    P.S., JHK
    There was much talk last week of Corzine starting a new hedge fund.
    Do you feel lucky? Make my day.

  11. Warren Peace August 27, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    Turning to manhood as a topic seems interesting. Perhaps James has red this article, which seems to be getting some attention:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/313504/boss?pg=1
    Which a lot of people assume to be from the Onion, but it’s not – it’s the National Review. In America, manhood has become defined by nothing more than $$$$$.

  12. Nala August 27, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    ummmmmm…’scuse me. Just can’t NOT comment. I realize the club is largely composed of the “good ‘ol boys” in action. And can’t say I am a bra-burning activist or anything, but there are plenty of WOMEN who have let this thing all fall apart as well. There are women on the supreme court, there is Angela Merkel over in Germany, there is fluffy Michelle in the WH, there are plenty of lady lawyers with sharp little lawyer teeth. There has been a huge hole in the “feminine” courage camp, as well. I am speaking from a feminine standpoint — born into, not adopted, and would like to see my sisters get in there and give ’em hell just as much as the guys should be doing. Perhaps “Human Energies” would be a better title?

  13. empirestatebuilding August 27, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    For now the Emperor is still wearing clothes. No one is going to tell him he is naked until it is so obvious that it can’t remain unsaid. And then everyone will say “I knew it all along but I didn’t want to be the first to admit it”
    I almost want Romney to win. At least he’d be at the helm when the ship hit the iceberg. Full steam ahead!
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  14. rpd August 27, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    pussy riot decribes not only the election but the electorate and the f—ing house and senate. what a hopeless situation.

  15. tstreet August 27, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    Perhaps we need some more female energy in the halls of power. Not sure I understand this post since I am not sure that simple courage and fundamental decency is a male or female characteristic. What we have here is a general abscence of integrity where political calculations overcome all attempts to do the courageous and moral thing. Is this a new phenomenon? Not sure.
    As for the comments about gays, I do not see the relevance nor do I share the apparent idea that this a passing phase.

  16. PRD August 27, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Hoo boy. Criticize a guy’s diet (Cheeze Doodles and Mountain Dew), his favorite sport (NASCAR), his religion (right wing christianity)—but challenge his manhood???? Now, them’s fightin’ words! Tell a guy he’s not a real man/has no balls and you’re going to see the burning red eyes of a caveman staring back at you.

  17. ozone August 27, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    James,
    What continues to surprise me is how mundane these concerns have been made to appear in all our “information” outlets! I suppose that when the purveyors of commodification-of-all-for-the-profit-of-the-few have bought up the vast majority of these outlets (and their personnel, er, *ahem*, human resources), this is the outcome we should expect.
    All perception is now made to serve the bottom line, and realistic manhood [or even a good strong “woman”hood] needed to face the predicaments of a dire and foreboding future be damned.
    It’s time to reaffirm, or CREATE, if so needed, rites of manhood/womanhood. Responsibility towards one’s immediate community needs to be reasserted. The casting away of childhood selfishness seems desperately needed (baby shorts and all). The Hispanics have the Quinceanera for their 15-yr-old girls. Anything for the boys? Or are they simply expected to remain infantile, with their hands groping for their pecker to make sure it’s still there, constantly wondering what its’ use might be?
    (I would please caution us not to get nuts with the “purging of the others” bullshit distractions. If you are even SLIGHTLY correct about future travails, we’re going to need all hands on deck, not just the pure, inbred and sickly morons.)

  18. John T Anderson August 27, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Jim raises the question, “Why are so many Southern men so irresponsible?” I think that it goes back to the pre-Civil Rights Era Southern establishment’s commemorations of the Confederate dead, which extolled the dear departed of the late rebellion for their responsibility and bravery in time of danger to their homes and families. I think that many white Southern boys grew up hearing this, but they listened to the subtext: standing up and taking responsibility can get you killed.

  19. lsjogren August 27, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    Great, another crackpot political party headed by a crackpot, Rocky Anderson.
    As big of buffoons as our elected leaders in Washington DC may be, it is the mayorships of America’s large cities that attract the truly unhinged. Bloomberg, Villaraigosa as a couple of examples. And Rocky Anderson is right in there.
    No doubt Anderson, like a stopped clock, and his crackpot party, is right now and then, but the guy is still a crackpot.

  20. bobby j August 27, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    The political economic system is coming undone.An analysis of the belief system on which it is based shows clearly the conflict with reality.The drama unfolds within the context of doing everything to hold onto the status quo power structure. Expect more of the same with greater intensity.Can you take a reality stand within a system based on beliefs that were never based in reality.

  21. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    “The Democratic party case is more interesting to me, being a life-long registered Democrat, perhaps partly accounted for by my Manhattan Jewish upbringing.”
    Of course it is more interesting to you, James. It is ‘your side’. It is nuanced, complex, mystifying, and ultimately quite depressing when exploring how your ideological allies lost their way.
    The Republican ‘others’? Eh, fat NASCAR dumbfucks.
    There, that was easy.

  22. Dirk August 27, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    Jim great, albeit sad, points here. It is interesting to me to hear supporters of both parties railing against the other. Republicans, of course, say that once Obama is out and Romney is in there will be a miraculous return to the former days of growth, prosperity and the fattening of those comfy retirement accounts the baby boomers are always on about. Unfortunately we here on this blog know that will not happen because events along the exponential trail of collapse are hastening on and no one can ‘fix it.’
    What we need and will not get of course is some one as President who realizes our plight and manages contraction instead of, as Obama AND Romney propose, allowing contraction manage us.

  23. ozone August 27, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    “Can you take a reality stand within a system based on beliefs that were never based in reality?” -bobby
    Sure you can, but smacking yourself repeatedly in the forehead with a rock will prove just as productive.
    “Within the system” is the buzz-phrase there. The only way out is through, and it’s my supposition that dis-engagement from the current insane and brittle system is the only way to begin the journey. To continue in the present paradigm is suicidal, along with “re-trying” some past horrors that some so fervently wish to return to. (A few tweaks here and there and it’ll work great this time!)
    Best of luck; we’re surely going to need it.

  24. Rosongs August 27, 2012 at 10:04 am #

    Just an FYI — Mr. Akin is running (away, we can only hope) in Missouri, which is a BLUE state. We are, however, surrounded by lots of red. Thank you very much.
    Rosalie

  25. Joshua_M August 27, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    I think you need to take the next step and note the gender reversal that has overtaken the country. Criticism of macho, or anything that “macho” could be generalized to, has produced a nation of men who are afraid to open their mouths. Also a fear of “not sounding too technical” or of “being too logical” or “being too analytic.”
    I am generally progressive, but, in a nation where young professionals to be “celebrate their sluttiness” while cautioning men not to look at them like sex objects, where young law students insist that they have a right to have as much sex as they want while insisting on the right to have their contraception and abortions financed, the men’s motivation to protect them from much of anything except sheer legislative stupidity will naturally wane. Akin is not the only one in denial of simple biology.

  26. mow August 27, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    and the war between the states continues ….

  27. Nastarana August 27, 2012 at 10:18 am #

    A good place for us women to start is remembering that that is us who are still mostly in charge of family budgets, and there is a lot we could be doing.
    Buy basic commodities and cook from scratch. Turn off the heating/cooling system unless weather is extreme. Grow some veges, and stand up to your neighbors and landlord about your right and need to do so. Mend damaged clothing.
    Not just buy local, but if at all possible buy local from them that hires local.

  28. dale August 27, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    That’s what we need! A write-in campaign to elect “Pussy Riot”. Campaign slogan – “we’ve got more balls than the entire democratic party leadership”

  29. studejack August 27, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    In spite of your self-evident homophobia, I am afraid I agree pretty much wholeheartedly with your opinions on the issue of gay marriage. (I also must admit that I am a gay man who is indifferent to the issue of marriage.) It is indeed, as you say, a huge distraction from more serious issues. But to support it is to acquire a phony veil of open-mindedness and even coolness, as in, I’m not an old fogey with out-of-date prejudices, I’m really with-it folks! Also, gay people are no different from anyone else in their (our) capacity to adopt opinions that don’t comport with the facts or with good policy but instead reflect political attitudes. (I made a lot of enemies among my peeps with my view back in the ’80’s that blaming Ronald Reagan for AIDS was idiotic. I pointed out that unless it was Mr. Reagan who shtupped you, you didn’t get HIV from him but from another gay man! Plus, the Surgeon General Koop did more to protect and help gay men than most gay people did (which I have heard quietly from several people on the front lines of the AIDS epidemic in those days). This was a most unpopular opinion to hold in the gay ghettos of New York and San Francisco, you can be sure.) It is too bad we have lost the ability, apparently, to consider the welfare of the nation as a whole instead of the welfare of our own special interest group, even when the facts demonstrate we are wrong.

  30. ozone August 27, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    …Please note that it might be more accurate to term it a war between states of mind, rather than geographical States.
    (“Going along with the crowd”, if the crowd should be comprised of unashamed fuckwits might prove harmful to future health, and a surreptitious “back-sliding” and stealing away from the torchlight could be in order.)

  31. Smokyjoe August 27, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    “challenge his manhood???? Now, them’s fightin’ words!”
    Hoo whee ain’t that true! Left or right, unless you are still one o’ them-there 1970s wimpy “sensitive males,” or that “cain’t just punch him one time” Woody Allen, don’t y’all go accusifying me o’ no ding-dang-dong lack o’ virility.
    Why look what fellers done gone and did since we started walkin’ upright:
    –Genocide
    –Extinctions
    –Nuclear weapons
    –Climate Change
    –Slavery
    –Mullets
    –Wayne Newton recordings
    You tell me if’n them-there gals would of done a durn bit better’n us!

  32. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    “To continue in the present paradigm is suicidal…”
    =================
    Agreed. Now choose outside the red/blue paradigm.
    Vote for Dr. Jill Stein for President and, for the first time, get Green Party feminine energy into the Commander in Chief position. Write her name in if you have to. Practice it at home: S T E I N
    http://www.jillstein.org/
    Jill Stein for President”

  33. steve August 27, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Kuntsler’s right – it’s a passing phase and when ‘male energies’ hit the fan, it won’t be pretty. Biology will not be denied.

  34. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Yes, if everyone reading this blog in the US votes for Jill Stein, she will only need 40 or 50 million more votes to win!

  35. ozone August 27, 2012 at 10:45 am #

    Okay, just this once, so you can revel in “being acknowledged for my wonderful commentary!” (clap your hands in glee now), three things:
    1. Don’t tell me what to fucking do.
    2. The current rigged “electoral system” is part and parcel of the present paradigm (just in case you hadn’t noticed).
    3. End of communique.

  36. kapuscinski August 27, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    “… because gay marriage represents an existential endeavor that seeks to escape or nullify the fundamental tensions of the two-sexed human race. Like all things fashion-oriented, its essence is novelty, and the essence of novelty is that its charms wear off. Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it….”
    thank you for having the moral courage and general thickness-of-skin to say something obvious that obviously has long needed saying but can’t at present be said … and expect the predictable shitstorm of rghteous offended anger in response.

  37. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    1. Don’t tell me what to fucking do.
    =======================
    I am making an exception for your case, just so you can feel special. I am telling you not to vote. Do not participate in the electoral process. That is what I am telling you (and only you). End of communique.

  38. Al Klein August 27, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    To all you out there in CFN-land: have there been ANY indictments of Wall Streeters by the DOJ? If so, have there been ANY convictions? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. And, if there have been any, they sure have been pretty quiet about it.

  39. Widespreadpanic7 August 27, 2012 at 11:03 am #

    Not only is John Corzine ‘still at large’, as Ibendet points out, he might be starting up another Hedge Fund. Anybody here interested in investing in it? I understand the rates of return will be good. (while it lasts)
    Jim be careful what you say about ‘Gay Marriage’. It seems that’s all the Democratic Party is about these days. They might kick you out as an apostate.
    –WSP7

  40. Widespreadpanic7 August 27, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Men marrying Men; now there is an issue to build a political movement around. Its a surefire winner.

  41. Fissile August 27, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    You aren’t kidding about Gov Crisco, he’s a HUGE fraud. Crisco balanced the NJ State budget on the backs of the working poor, and he’s cut funding to just about every program that helps the poor, children and elderly. He overestimated tax revenue projections BUT HE’S STILL TRYING TO FORCE THROUGH A TAX CUT THAT WILL DISPROPORTIONALLY BENEFIT PEOPLE MAKING MORE THAN $250K PER YEAR. Since he’s been in office, property taxes, already the highest in the nation, have continued to increase. The state unemployment rate is now officially 10%, one of the highest rates in the nation. Despite all this, he continues to push “supply side” snake oil as the solution to all our problems. To top it all off, one of his closest political allies, state assemblyman Robert Schroeder(R Bergen County) has been accused of running a ponzi scheme. http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2012/08/oritani_bank_sues_assemblyman_robert_schroeder_over_35_million_in_loans.html
    This is the best the Republicans can come up with for keynote speaker?

  42. drsammyjohnson August 27, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Have to agree with you on most everything you’ve written here, JHK. The GOP lunacy is nearing, oh, Salem circa 1691 levels. Must take exception on one thing though: can’t go along with means testing, as that is the perfect path to painting a social benefit as ‘a giveaway to poor people’, and from there flushing it down the toilet is but a short step.

  43. Al Klein August 27, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Widespread, must you be so patriarchal? “Men marrying men?” How about Women marrying women? Or Women marrying Animals. Or Men marrying Animals. Heck, how about Men marrying Inanimate Objects? Or Men marrying Themselves (yeah, I know, hard to define the legal benefits with that one.) Whom the gods would destry they first drive mad.

  44. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    JHK said: “US politics today represent an unprecedented failure of American manhood.”
    ===============
    Only men insecure in their masculinity feel threatened by homosexuals.
    We now live at a time of heightened American manhood, when there is more acceptance of gays/lesbians than ever before.
    The most masculine of our “American manhood” are the military forces, and gays/lesbians are accepted in the armed forces now. They even have their own magazine: Outserve to honor gays in the military.
    American manhood is alive and well, at least in the USA military, where there is no homophobia.

  45. welles August 27, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it….”
    here in south america, we are damn sick and tired of the gayification of society, i.e. “look at me i’m gay!” and the constant bombardment on tv by effeminate faggots shrieking ‘what a lovely dress’.
    i’ve got nothing against anyone’s preference, but please just shut the fuck up and get out of everyone’s face, we DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ASS and don’t FORCE US TO.
    it’s just oh so trendy, but totally vacuous, vapid and stupefying. You’re gay? Good for you, keep it to yourself, most everyone don’t give a flying fuck now go do something really useful, telling us you like other cock doesn’t mean jack shyte.
    peace peaceniks

  46. Loveandlight August 27, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    I say, ironically, because gay marriage represents an existential endeavor that seeks to escape or nullify the fundamental tensions of the two-sexed human race. Like all things fashion-oriented, its essence is novelty, and the essence of novelty is that its charms wear off. Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it.
    Wow. Pig-ignorance writ large. Thanks for reminding us how much work is yet to be done.

  47. VyseLegend August 27, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    I’m a big fan of the poetic prose used in this piece, in the service of brutal reality. It’s an irony lost on the befuddangled masses.

  48. Mack184 August 27, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    James…Your continual mocking of the Lord Jesus Christ weakens your message. There will be a time, and it most likely is not all that far off that “Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”. Some will do it with great joy and others will do it with great shame and despair. That’s a prediction that you can count on.
    Please seek him and have your work blessed by a caring and loving God. Pray for peace and mercy.

  49. a_human August 27, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    there are always people who do not fit the stereotypes – they tend to be people we know, or have met, or even us. the southern Mennonite man of manners, generosity and genuine kindness. the college student who just happens to be lesbian – no big deal. the quiet middle age woman who surprises herself by rushing to defend a woman being publicly throttled by her ‘boyfriend’. people of integrity are everywhere, silently embedded in every little group of people, failing to fulfill the stereotype, scattered like a handful of sand across the face of our world. it is important to remember, i think, to decry harmful actions, but not to decry people. it is not only more fair to the many exceptions, it leaves open the door to all of us to part ways with harmful actions, as those actions are not us.

  50. St. Roy August 27, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Jim:
    I hope your recovery from the hip prosthesis replacement surgery is going well and that the symptoms of cobalt poisoning from the old recalled device are subsiding.
    Thanks for sharing the photos of you garden. Quite a project, but it’s looking good. Why not let a deer or two and some rabbits into the plot at times to add some protein to your diet?

  51. ozone August 27, 2012 at 11:50 am #

    “Jim, be careful what you say about ‘Gay Marriage’. It seems that’s all the Democratic Party is about these days. They might kick you out as an apostate.
    –WSP7”
    Ha! If only he could be so lucky!
    They’re so desperately searching for warm bodies to come to the polls after the blatant kowtowing to the monied few’s whip-hand for the past uncounted years that they’ll forgive anything in exchange for the pretense of numbers. “Y’all come/Ponerse a la cola.” ;o)

  52. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    Why isn’t Obama going after FOXNews for its treasonous behavior? Fox News revealed the true identity of an American Navy SEAL who participated in the Bin Laden raid, and Business Insider published photos. Now it appears al-Qaida affiliates and/or sympathizers are looking for revenge.
    Users on several militant Islamic websites affiliated with al-Qaida have posted the name and photo of a former Navy SEAL identified as the author of an upcoming book on the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The posts called for his “destruction” in revenge for the al-Qaida founder’s killing.
    FOXNews invited this, and their treason has made it easier for Al-Qaida to act against the USA.

  53. harrykrebs August 27, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    Yes, well, I’m going to change…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0D4ekTODuA

  54. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    As corporate lobbyists wine and dine the Republican and Democratic national committees in Tampa and Charlotte, Green Party candidates Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala are beating at their doors.
    Right now, Cheri is in the streets of Tampa with the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign and the tent city at Romneyville. Next week, Jill will arrive in Charlotte. And soon, we’ll all be beating the drums of social progress together (except for Ozone, who is prohibited from participating in any kind of electoral activity).

  55. Jimmy Drinkwater August 27, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Excellent commentary today JHK. What gets me coming back here every Monday morning is you find the language that coalesces much of what I know and feel is wrong but is hard to order correctly from the jumble of misinfo and misdirections bombarding us daily. A genuine thanks for that.
    America, land of the free and home of the wimp.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

  56. Mack184 August 27, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    James..a small but important historical aside as you laud the manliness & courage of Lyndon Baines Johnson which I will not argue about. His civil rights legislation would have done nothing but become a heap of ashes if it had not been for strong support from those nasty, mean Republicans whom you hate so much. Also, it was NOT Republicans who made black men disappear in the middle of the night, or turned the angry german shepards and water hoses on the likes of Dr. Martin Luther King, it was “life-long registered democrats”! Just sayin’ Jimmy.

  57. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    The Republican Party has come full circle from the days of Abraham Lincoln and so disproportionately represents the interests of white people that it ought to be renamed the White People’s Party.
    The most recent chairman of the Republican National Committee, Haley Barbour, associates himself with the most despicable kinds of white racists — those who have money and power. Haley Barbour recently appeared side-by-side with the Council of Concerned Citizens (aka the CCC, the Coo Clucks Clan, and the Uptown KKK), a white racist hate group which is almost exclusively male and which is off-limits to blacks, jews, and other minorities.
    Haley Barbour’s friends in the all-white CCC wave confederate flags, espouse deporting blacks to Africa, claim the Holocaust was a hoax, oppose immigration of Asians, Latinos, and other minorities, have ties to the French neo-fascist Le Pen, and oppose the mixing of races which they call miscegenation.
    Haley Barbour’s CCC friends support the neo-fascist, nazi-revivalist, prison inmate Eric Zundel, the son of a German Nazi, in his fight against the Zionist “New World Order.”

  58. Steve M. August 27, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    AND the U.S. men’s soccer team sucks!
    What scares me about the manly “corn-pone” fascism associated with Southern rednecks and Great Plains Bible thumpers is that it can take root anywhere, even in blue states like New Jersey. My hometown in Essex County, NJ (which includes Newark) sits in a county full of angry black rappers and white bourgeois liberals, and the Democrats run the county with an iron-fist, yet my town remains solidly Republican and solidly detached from reality. Alas, so does our Democratic county executive.

  59. mistified August 27, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    “You aren’t kidding about Gov Crisco, he’s a HUGE fraud.”
    For fucks sake your state is bankrupt. Camden, fucking Camden is so out of money they are dismantling their police department due to lack of funds. Stick a fork in it.
    The over-promising and under performing of our local, state and national governments is staggering. Christy is merely early to the party in taking the necessary actions to attempt to reverse the damage. I say attempt because it may in fact be too late. When 47% pay no income tax and tens of millions rely on government payments you are close to a one to one ratio. How much longer do you surmise that that is a workable formula if a country is to survive?

  60. mistified August 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    “Right now, Cheri is in the streets of Tampa…”
    And right now, you and Cheri are the only two in America who give a fuck.

  61. welles August 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    There will be a time, and it most likely is not all that far off that “Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”.
    Kunstler’s not mocking Jesus, he’s mocking the fake religiosity of the mostly southerners who hop up and down yelling ‘in the name of Jeeeesus!’, i.e. ignorant folks with limited to no edgycashun.
    Just to rant on a bit about your timeline of ‘is not probably that far off’. That formulation means you don’t know at all when this supposed knee-bending event will occur. Just get over it. Folks have been calling for the end of the world for 1,000s of years. It is simply not going to happen. Jesus is not coming back, the world is not going to end.
    Hal Lindsey, Harold Camping, untold other bible know-it-alls….they’re supposedly more knowledgeable than anyone on scripture exegesis and timelines for cataclysmic ‘stuff’ to happen….and they were/are DEAD WRONG.
    So where do YOU get YOUR special updated version of biblical ‘knowledge’ of when the end times will hit? You wouldn’t even invoke the bible if you hadn’t been born and/or raised in a society that touts it. Do you ever think about this? Why there are Muslims….in Muslim countries. And Christians…in Christian countries. It’s like English, you speak it…..because everyone else around you does. That’s why you ‘speak’ Christianity. And you honestly believe this entitles you to think you have ‘the’ truth?
    It’s culture, friend, it’s not some supposed divine truth. We are all programmed to more or less degree.
    I can say all the above and still have a love for Yahweh inside of me. But it doesn’t depend on any books someone cobbled together, deleting and clipping passages, mistranslating between umpteen languages. There is an understanding beyond words, I think.
    peace peaceniks

  62. helen highwater August 27, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    With 7 billion people already here and using up the planet’s resources, I think the marriage of couples who can’t reproduce (other than with the help of a turkey baster) is a pretty damn good idea. Maybe it’s Mother Nature’s way of saying “enough, already”.

  63. howard in nyc August 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    this article from the spring i stumbled across last week. i am surprised it did not get more attention. a different flavor of republican male energy, above the mason/dixon line:
    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328
    i’d think twice when considering adding some rites of manhood to the cultural mix. i see plenty i would prefer to eliminate first.

  64. driften August 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Don’t know about the all powerful JC coming back… that book you seem to think holds all the answers also holds all the contradictions. The “PLAN” wasn’t very well thought out if he is indeed a “loving” god. He loves me so much that (if he exists) he’s gonna burn me in a lake of fire for eternity. Yeah, sounds like a chap worthy of my mindless adulation.

  65. RJGrones August 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    re: Gay marriage novelty – Indeed.. The real problem with it in my view (beyond the sad distraction aspect you point out).. is that it pretends to be about one thing (morality, “equality”, fairness, gender, civil rights etc.) when it’s really about another (procuring the qualifications necessary to join in on the scam to “marry” into benefits).. etc.. I don’t believe people should be able to “marry” into benefits (or citizenship for that matter) so I don’t support gay marriage.. I believe we should fix the broken system, instead of “marrying” more people into it.. Instead we fight a proxy war of morals, and avoid talking about what it’s really about: healthcare and end-of-life power of attorney issues etc.. Americans are very self-righteous by birth-right (apparently) and as such are not very good at discussing things honestly.. or even being able to agree on what it is they’re actually putting so much energy into arguing about.. in my opinion..

  66. Draupnir August 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    My dear Mr. Kunstler – It is my opinion that for our elected and appointed, it is probably more than their lives are worth to make any credible stand against the great fortunes that are having their way with us, even if they wanted to. Those who can’t be bought can be eliminated. I’m sure it is more comfortable to go along to get along, and my goodness, don’t they get along. Unable to actually do anything that needs doing, they are left with only frivolous fringe issues to try to distract us from those serious issues you mentioned. So there they stand, exposed for the cravens and cowards that they are. I refuse to participate in this charade.

  67. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    Well Ok, but do women really want that? Would they vote for someone who would put things right -and all the unpleasantness and stepped on toes that implies? Clearly not. And women are the majority – and add to that the myriads of feminized and/or whipped men who seek to please them and you realize what a monstrousity “democracy” is. No wonder the Founding FATHERS hated it and wanted nothing to do with it per se. Voting by qualified men plays a part in Republican Goverment of course.
    What Akin was blundering towards with his phrase “legitimate rape” is the Fact that women sometimes lie about being raped. I mean women lie alot, right? We all know that – so why should they automatically be believed when they accuse men of rape or child abuse or whatever – especially when alot is on the line as in custody
    cases for example. But there are many cases where women have lied for almost no reason – late getting home so she says she was raped by the cabbie.
    Finally, one in four women are not raped. A vicious lie by the Feminists based on a ridiculous interpretation of a flawed study. Most of the women she claimed were raped didn’t consider themselves so. Of course that was decades ago – now after being taught they might consider themselves to be. Women get raped everyday – by men’s eyes, by Patriarchial Society, etc. And of course, all intercourse is rape. (Brownmiller, Dworkin, et al)

  68. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    So Mother Nature is taking sides on whether gay people can legally marry in the United States?
    As with most religious people you apparently assume your Deity is in agreement with you. Comforting, isn’t it?

  69. Consultant August 27, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    Joe,
    White people don’t have any more elections where they can throw their votes away. Both parties are bad. But the Republicans are way down the road toward fascism.
    Long story short: Republican govt. is not just about fucking black people. It’s about fucking everyone. And because whites have more to lose, whites will get more fucked up.
    The days of voting Green Party or whatever and thinking, whether I vote or not, “I’ll be okay (because I’m white)”, ARE OVER.
    It’s all of “US” against the 1%.
    The sooner “WE” understand that, the sooner will can get past all of this big govt./small govt. bullshit and start facing the real problems we have.

  70. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    Good Joe. Your conditioning is working fine. Keep worrying about a Cornpone takeover even as we are in the midst of a slow mo Communist takeover. Just don’t drink or smoke weed to much – your mind might start working again.

  71. Rhino August 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    The few gays that I’m acquainted also don’t seem to be in a big hurry to get to the altar.
    Interesting thing: once my wife had a heterosexual co-worker who was vocally in favor of gay rights, gay marriage etc. This co-worker was married with a toddler. So in one of their discussions on the issue of gay rights my wife asked this co-worker what if something happened and the toddler was left an orphan and a gay couple wanted to adopt him. Would this be OK? The immediate reaction from this liberal-minded co-worker was “NO!”. So, where the rubber meets the road the answer was “no”.
    “But to support it (gay marriage) is to acquire a phony veil of open-mindedness and even coolness, as in, I’m not an old fogey with out-of-date prejudices, I’m really with-it folks!” – Stude
    Looks to me also like a there’s a lot of self conscious posturing going on.

  72. Rhino August 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Typo: Looks to me also like there’s a lot of self conscious posturing going on.

  73. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    As Camille Paglia said, if it was up to women alone we’d still be living in grass huts. Male aggression is just against other men or women but against the world. Pick up a stick to hit another man, sure. Also it can be thrown to bring down game – or a lever to move a rock. And from there to the moon is just progression. Look around your room. Look outside. Show us something created by women. Ok Einstein? Got it?
    Don’t listen to him Joe. You a good boy. You’re better than those other White Boys – you know you’re shit – they don’t.

  74. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Crisco? Instead of KY? When did that start? Olive oil might be better.

  75. SmugJoe August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    We suffer not from a lack of manhood, but from a lack of humanity. Sad, but they’ve broken us. Amorphous, spineless, bowls of jello. A “government of the people, by the people, for the people” seems naive to wish for because that’s not how the world really works.

  76. helen highwater August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    Kurt, that is not what I was saying at all. I was saying that perhaps the fact that a large number of people are being attracted enough to members of the same sex to want to marry them might be Nature’s way of reducing the numbers of births on an overpopulated planet. But trying to say anything on this comment board is a waste of time because someone is bound to misinterpret what is being said and come back with a nasty remark.

  77. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    Don’t forget the college boys who talk truth to power: a few of them got together and sued Mary Daly for excluding men from her classes. They won.
    We know all about your genocidal fantasies about getting rid of men. We’re watching you and exposing you. It’s all uphill now for you “folks” now.

  78. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    And the Democrats are now the Party of Coloreds and rich Liberal Whites – for poor or middle class Whites they offer nothing.

  79. driften August 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Gawd I wish there were an ignore button here. Just removing the posts of a couple assclowns would shorten the comment section of this blog by half…

  80. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    And what is the reality? Democrats and angry Blacks? And you are worried about conservative White Guys? Dude, you are not on speaking terms with Reality. Haven’t you heard anything about the Black Mob Violence all over America – that exploded after Obama’s election? And you’re worried about White Christians with Guns? Dude, you’re lucky to have such neighbors. Sheesh.

  81. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    For Liberals, not having to hear or read things that they don’t agree should be put on the Bill of Rights. You are my fucking hero.

  82. k-dog August 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Is the election of 2012 a pussy riot because the candidates are pussies or is it because the voters are pussies. An American public that can’t even understand what hole to put it in isn’t exactly manly.
    We have leaders leading us to destruction and nobody seems to care. We rain death from the skies on innocent tribesmen without shame. An America built on the myth of freedom and equality now embraces injustice and ‘all for me’.
    There is nothing manly about this election. Real men take care of their families, something the American Public has no intention of doing. If they did there would be riots in the streets demanding change.
    I’m glad I’m a dog and have the doggies nuts. It’s natural for me to think about the pack when going gets tough. Yeast people seem to think of none but themselves in these circumstances.
    He who dies with the most toys wins is a modern saw but I say he who dies with the most toys was never anything more than a child.
    But redemption is at hand:
    Vote ✔ K-Dog
    Rediscover your manhood men of America vote for the dog. Redemption you don’t even have to ask Jesus for.

  83. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    I suppose it is possible that Nature could increase the percentages of homosexuality in a population in order to reduce its size. I think the Black Death would be more efficient but Nature often takes a circuitous route. I don’t see where that has anything to do with marriage, though.

  84. driften August 27, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    I always laughed at that saw. He who dies with the most toys is just dead. Not to mention he probably worked too much to enjoy them himself while he was here.

  85. Rhino August 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Don’t under-estimate the idiocies and malice seeping from bastions of alleged enlightenment in the north.
    Like you I think that the overt religiosity of southerners is mostly a pose. IMO just tribal rituals mostly to set them apart from supposedly edgycated people in the north who like Kunstler are in the opposing tribe and who revile the descendants of the folk that tried to secede.
    Seems to me it’s the same thing with the blaring southern/rural accent. Also a tribal thing. They don’t need to sound like Jed Clampett, I’ve heard the drawl come and go depending on the social setting – words like “yes” and “well” can extend or contract from between one and four syllables. Just listen to American politicians crank it up and try to sound like Maw and Paw down on the farm.
    I know some of the southern dumbasses. They ain’t all that dumb. And I also know some northerners that presume themselves to be intimidatingly smart and sophisticated. And they’re not all that smart.

  86. driften August 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    And what, dear Radu, made you assume I was speaking of you???

  87. Buck Stud August 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

    ironically, the only vector of action in Democratic politics inviting male valor – while it is also a huge distraction from many far more pressing tribulations we face,

    It’s bad composition in the arena of politics to focus on ‘too many tribulations’. Or as Charles Hawthorne taught, ” it is so much better to make a big thing out of a little subject than to make a little thing out of a big one”. And with an election of one sort or another every two years, winning elections, and composing strategy to achieve that end, trumps the need for conscientious governing.
    And so issues such as abortion/gay rights, are put under the spotlight, year after diversionary year.

  88. SeaYoung August 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Look away, look away, look away Dixieland…
    Mr. Jim,
    You want to find a Southerner? Stay away from the NASCAR races. Most things Yankee-fied (ruined) are quickly discarded and ruled irrelevant by Dixie’s sons and daughters.
    Never forget, Republican Yankee transplants are the real source of your scorn. Not much thinking or introspection from these dim witted folk. I applaud you all for showing them the door. We are working toward that goal.
    These Rude, Screwed, and Tattooed Rough Riding Coffee Shop Cruisers are quite the joke around here, as are their Sarah Palin/Paul Ryan politics. I suppose their grimaces and leather vests are earned as they toil away in their cubicles, taking crap from the the Boss and all.
    That “misty region-of-mind” (good prose!) will continue to inspire as keepers of the light pass Dixie along to the following generations. I wish everyone could be from the South, but apparently God chose to bless a select few.

  89. Rhino August 27, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    We know all about your genocidal fantasies about getting rid of men. – Radu
    I read A’s post. Sounded reasonable to me.
    So where did you get this stuff about A’s genocidal fantasies?

  90. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    You might have something there, Hel. Rats live in small groups in nature. But if forced into large groups, they form gangs, harems, some go gay, some become hermits and only go out when the gangs are asleep etc. Overpopulation creates all these problems.
    Perhaps all of large scale human society is a mistake as Tripp always said.

  91. k-dog August 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    Nature’s way of reducing the numbers of births on an overpopulated planet.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    The idea makes sense but the evidence for it is what exactly?
    Maybe it just means that there is a lot of mental illness frosting the cake of terminal decadence. Just because an idea sounds good does not make it true.
    Resist the temptation to believe something just because you want it to be true. Themis holds her scales to see which way the scales of justice tip but she does it wearing a blindfold.
    The blindfold is there so that reality not human preference is what determines truth.
    And I just figured that out. Maybe I should be president.

  92. ccm989 August 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Republicans believe the only way they can be REAL men is by putting down women, putting them down by stomping them flat. There has been an endless river of misogyny flowing from the right, everything from Rush Limbaugh’s 3-day tirade on Sandra Fluke to Todd Akins explanation of how rape victims magically reject unwanted fetuses. Paul Ryan, Tea Party VP contender, has now told us that rape is just another type of conception. That’s all – just another type, no big deal that your body has been violated. And if you dare try to abort the rapist’s baby, why then, you’re a murderer. Some sheriff candidate in New Hampshire declared he would use deadly force against doctors performing abortions, not seeming to remember that a sheriff’s job is to enforce the law, not make new ones up and then be the judge, jury and executioner. And for those creepy, old white Tea Baggers, defunding Planned Parenthood ups their virility. Also there’s that personhood bill that gives, wait for it, frozen embryos and fertilized eggs more rights than actual women. Keep stomping down them uppity bitches. Teach ‘em whose boss!
    Well, fellas, I got some news for you. We women vote. And we will be out in droves, with our voter IDS and we will take action against any candidate who so much looks at us wrong. We have daughters that we’d like to see grow up to have as many (or more) rights than we did. Anyone who has a daughter he loves will agree. Your daughter is vastly more important than any fetus anywhere.
    Of course, Mitt Romney’s troubles don’t just end with his flip flopping on birth control/abortion/health care, he has further troubles that he just can’t stomp down no matter how many Republican idiots announce that women are nothing but breeders. He has that little tax return problem. So maybe the party bosses can tell the Baggers to lay off the anti-women cracks but Romney is still there, empty handed with the Press asking “what’s in those returns?” Must be career-ending. Its so bad he’s got to hide the truth.

  93. Consultant August 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Radu Voda,
    I’m not familiar with your name (made up?). But your ideas are retrograde.
    But…not here to argue.
    How are you preparing or Peak Oil?

  94. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    Just the way she said “boyfriend” set me off. I admit I might have been projecting the radicalism of the Lesbian Feminists onto her. But – about that I am correct. You people don’t have a clue about what they really believe and how much they hate.
    But you have no problem with men being destroyed by alimony, getting kicked out of their own homes, never seeing their kids again, going to jail when they can’t make the payments etc. Do you? Or do you admit that hell hath no fury like a woman who wants “to move on” or is “unhappy”. And this explosion of divorce (over 70% brought by women) all started with no fault divorce – which enabled them to get their hands on men’s assets without having to deal with the men themsevles. It was tempation and they fell. You can’t tempt women like that – their goodness is mostly mediated by shame not guilt. It’s for show and not innate. If society gives them the green light to take, they will.
    And you also believe in the meme of the Heroic Single Mother I bet. Guy get real: they get pregnant to get benefits and not have to get a job.
    Men commit most of the violent crimes. This is obvious. But women commit evil by more quiet means. This you don’t see. For example, when women want to kill they usually hire a man or get their lover to do it. They’re not opposed to the deed but fear the results or doubt their ability to do it.

  95. NABNYC August 27, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    I agree that the issue of “gay rights” has been quite distorted. Recently, gay groups were outraged when black ministers opposed gay marriage. But when did any national gay organization get out in the streets to demonstrate at the side of black Americans, to demand equality in education, housing, opportunity, hiring, promotion, or pay? I don’t think that ever happened.
    The entire gay rights movement seems to have been hijacked by a small group of wealthy white men who raise millions for their non-profit pro-gay organizations, pay themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and fund very generous pensions for themselves and the other insiders. Assuming they are working on behalf of gays, would are likely the biggest most pressing issues of homosexuals in this country? Discrimination in hiring, promotion and pay. Money, in other words. Yet the gay groups, which want to continue to fund raise for their own benefit, take on what issues? Gays in the military (which affects a handful of people). And gay marriage. Exactly why is it they promote gay marriage in such a frontal assault manner, when Thurgood Marshall laid the path for civil rights decades ago: you chip away in test cases, using the civil union statutes, and eventually get a ruling that members of civil unions are entitled to the same rights. That way you avoid most of the religious right insanity.
    Instead, the gay organizations demand gay marriage, which is a state by state issue, will not be resolved in our lifetime (at least in the south). It appears they are acting more to enrich the insiders who run the nonprofits than to help gay people who legitimately may be the victims of discrimination.
    I don’t know what percentage of the country is gay, but I would guess 5-10% maximum. What about women, 50% of the country, why no demands for them, why no political party commitment to women, from either party? We’ve been forgotten. We are not important.
    So yes, as one woman, I’m really sick of hearing privileged white gay men demanding more rights for themselves and completely ignoring every other group in society which has more legitimate claims of discrimination. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that Karl Rove is funding most of this gay rights activity because it helps to get out the right-wing fanatics. And of course there are quite a few gay men who, for whatever twisted reason, love Republicans, love those conservatives. So I’m not very interested in their demands and I too see them as a distraction from much bigger problems facing our country.

  96. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

    John Stewart chastised Rachael Mad Cow for using the word teabagger. It’s just ignorant.

  97. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    I am listening to an interview of JHK on NPR 93.9FM as we “speak.” I’m located in Central NJ.

  98. newworld August 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    RIP Neil Armstrong. Maybe if that small leftist cult called feminism would dry up and die already then enough burden would be taken off the white man’s (Kos calls them the “common enemy”)back that an American turnaround could be effected. I doubt it though.
    A quibble with JHK and the leftists here, what elite culture and who posesses this elite culture that you think is so superior to fly over country males?
    The elite are pigs, “The Hunger Games” is brutally correct in its portrayal.

  99. driften August 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Your observations about the non profit groups seem to be on point. I’ve observed the same about MADD… the gravy train starts up and suddenly all the riders have no destination, they just want to ride the loop forever.

  100. Inquiring Mind August 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Religion: no validity. a joke. just another control-mechanism. no truth. false prophets leading the people down the garden path.
    Homosexuality/lesbianism: perverted, inverted, in direct opposition to the laws of nature, and totally unnatural and a threat to the family unit (which is the sole building block of a sane and health society). the growing acceptance is just an indicator of the accelerating degradation of our society.
    Central planning, Keynesianism, state controlled economies: terrible and unworkable ideologies that will destroy societies.
    Men have become women; women have become men; honesty has become immorality; responsibility has become apathy; duty and public service has become self-service; character and pride have become turpitude; the spiritual has become mechanical; knowledge has become falsehood; wealth as become poverty; poverty has become wealth; fiction is now fact; fact is now fiction; etc. etc.
    The demise of civilization.
    Only the truth will set us free. It’s not around any longer. It’s buried or hidden somewhere. We’d better find and apply it to all aspects of survival or we’re gonna be gone.

  101. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    RU Sirius? The Far Right knew about the Currency Scam and the Global Conspiracy generations ago. The Liberals can’t accept that they are late to the party. Conservatives also started health food and the national parks. Communists hated Nature after all.
    I admit that Liberals picked up the baton and have advanced these fields while the Conservatives now mostly care about conserving their portfolios. They have deviated more and more from the Far Right which is their life blood. Likewise, Liberalism has deviated from the free thinking of Mill and Jefferson and is moving towards Communism.
    Retrograde? As C.S Lewis said, if you have gone wrong on a trail, you have to go back to where you went wrong – if you can! The way forward is literally backwards.

  102. shastatodd August 27, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    http://www.venganza.org/
    About
    The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years, only recently came into the mainstream when this letter was published in May 2005.
    With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.
    Some claim that the church is purely a thought experiment, satire, illustrating that Intelligent Design is not science, but rather a pseudoscience manufactured by Christians to push Creationism into public schools. These people are mistaken. The Church of FSM is real, totally legit, and backed by hard science. Anything that comes across as humor or satire is purely coincidental.
    Further
    Pastafarianism is a real religion.
    Most of us do not believe a religion – Christianity, Islam, Pastafarianiasm – requires literal belief in order to provide spiritual enlightenment. That is, we can be part of a community without becoming indoctrinated. There are many levels of belief.
    By design, the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma. That is, there are no strict rules and regulations, there are no rote rituals and prayers and other nonsense. Every member has a say in what this church is and what it becomes.
    To outsiders it makes us hard to define, but here are some general things that can be said about our beliefs:
    We believe pirates, the original Pastafarians, were peaceful explorers and it was due to Christian misinformation that they have an image of outcast criminals today
    We are fond of beer
    Every Friday is a Religious Holiday
    We do not take ourselves too seriously
    We embrace contradictions (though in that we are hardly unique)
    You are welcome to Contact Me
    Questions and Answers
    Q: Is this a joke?
    A: It’s not a joke. Elements of our religion are often described as satire and there are many members who do not literally believe our scripture, but this isn’t unusual in religion – it’s only more obvious in the case of our particular religion. A lot of Christians, for example, don’t believe the Bible is literally true – but that doesn’t mean they aren’t True Christians.
    If you say Pastafarians must believe in a literal Flying Spaghetti Monster to be True Believers, then you can make a similar argument for Christians. There is a lot of outlandish stuff in the Bible that rational Christians choose to ignore. We do the same with our scripture. This is intentional.
    Q: A lot of Pastafarians seem to be anti-religion and/or atheists (why is this?)
    A: We’re not anti-religion. This is NOT an atheists club. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join our church including current members of other religions. In addition to the Atheists, Agnostics, and Freethinkers who have joined us, we have a number of Christian (and Muslim, and Hindu and Buddhist …) members and I would love to have more. Note to the religious: You are welcome here.
    Let me make this clear: we are not anti-religion, we are anti- crazy nonsense done in the name of religion. There is a big difference. Our ideal is to scrutinize ideas and actions but ignore general labels.
    Q: I don’t believe you or any of your so-called followers actually believe any of this.
    A: Some Pastafarians honestly believe in the FSM, and some see it as satire. I would just make the point that satire is an honest, legitimate basis for religion. Satire relies on truth to be effective. If it’s a joke, it’s a joke where to understand the punchline you must be conscious of underlying truth.
    Compare our religion to those that are built on lies. I am not talking necessarily about mainstream religions (which themselves are often full of mysticism and ad-hoc reasoning), but think of cults, or churches where the leaders are scamming their followers out of money. These are groups where the followers fully believe. Are these churches legitimate since they have many True Believers?
    Or can we agree that religion is as much about community as any shared faith. By any rational metric, Pastafarians are as legimate a religious group as any. Arguably more so, since we’re honest and rational.
    Q: We want to use FSM designs for t-shirt, jerseys, posters…
    A: It’s ok to use FSM materials for your own use and to spread the word – I’m happy to see it. There have been a number of sports team and club shirts — I can provide high quality images/vector designs for screen printing, just let me know.
    That said, it’s not ok to *SELL* FSM products.
    A couple reasons for this. I’m wary of the FSM being used in designs with slogans that are purposely antagonistic or otherwise harmful to the Cause. I’m thinking of a case years ago where someone was selling overtly caustic anti-religion shirts with various FSM designs and it became a problem.
    I’m all for pointed criticism and humor at the expense of too-powerful religious institutions, but that is a very different thing than declaring someone is stupid for being religious. I’m strongly against simple intentional offense just for the sake of offending – I believe it makes the larger problem worse, causes everyone to entrench in their views, and gives ammunition to opponents. I have no say in the broader non-religious movements, but I don’t want FSM seen as cynical and negative. This is very important to me.
    Second, unlike mainstream religions, there is no soliciting for donations or tithing here. This server was expensive to build and is expensive to run, and it’s funded by sales of shirts/books/emblems. Because of that, I am aware of the hundreds of FSM products offered that don’t support this site, and the few who I feel hurt the cause. I believe most people have good intentions, but also I don’t want to see this organization disappear.
    If there’s something specific you want offered on the FSM store, let me know and I’ll see what I can do.
    If ever possible, I would love to do away with all merchandising – I think it hurts the purity of the Cause. It would be nice if there was a rich benefactor keeping things afloat. (Accepting applications).
    Q: What Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster think of Same Sex Marriage?
    A: The CotFSM has no judgement on same sex marriage, for/against; that is to say, all are welcome into the loving embrace of His Noodly Appendage. (And there are many gay/bi members).
    Q: In 1000 years will FSM be a mainstream religion?
    A: This is something I think about constantly and it keeps me up at night. I sometimes wonder what the Church of Scientology — or lets say the Mormon Church looked like 5 years after Joseph Smith transcribed the scriptures out of the hat with the seer stones. What worries me is that right now I can be pretty sure there aren’t a lot of dogmatic nutty FSM people around, but what about in 20 years? What about in 50 years? What about when someone figures out a way to make money out of this and turns it into some new age spiritual enlightenment thing. There are billions of Christians who are crazy serious about their religion who don’t necessarily believe the things in the Bible actually happened. So .. yes, I do worry where FSM will go. My hope is it continues to be a positive force in the world. We will need to keep an eye on it for sure.
    Q: How do Pastafarians believe our world was created?
    A: We believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these “scientific theories” supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage. We don’t know why He does this but we believe He does, that is our Faith.
    Q: To what extent do Pastafarians need evidence to support their beliefs? What is considered valid evidence, and why are some religious ideas lacking evidence believed more widely than others? Why is Christianity more widely accepted than Pastafarianism?
    A: For many religions, acceptance is due to the time it has been around and due to the number of people who already follow it. For potential followers it’s often less a consideration of evidence, and more a judgment that the collective group of followers is better informed. That millions or billions of people already follow this religion is strong social proof that there is something to it. The larger the group and the longer it has been around, the more pronounced the effect.
    But nonbelievers are overreaching when they dismiss the phenomenon of religion as wrong and useless because it so often lacks a basis in evidence. The fact that millions of people get something positive out of a religion – even if it is based in superstition – *does* mean something. But that’s not to say it’s True, only that it has Value. For many people, religion is about being part of a community and being part of something bigger and more important than themselves.
    Nonbelievers would be better off criticizing only on the negative, damaging parts of religion, and being less judgmental about the idea of religion in general. Nonbelievers get hung up asking for evidence when really we should be looking at why does religion thrive despite evidence? We should be pushing the idea that faith is not equivalent to evidence-based-reasoning without insisting that it’s inferior, only that they are different ways of seeing the world. And that the problems happen when these world views clash.
    Pastafarianism is different than most religions in that we explicitly make the point that our scripture need not be believed literally. In other religions this is known but not often said out loud (Many Christians don’t take the Bible literally but won’t volunteer this). Pastafarian scripture has some outlandish and sometimes contradictory components – and unlike the scripture of mainstream religion, these pieces were intentional and obvious, and our congregation is aware of this.
    But what I find interesting is that when people object to the idea of Pastafarianism, it’s never with our scripture or ideas they suspect to be tongue-in-cheek. They object to the most intentional, honest, real components of our religion. It’s the times when we break from satire that we’re criticized, the times when I say something tolerant or hopeful about Christians that I’m called names. I am convinced there is a large number of people who need to believe that ours is not a legitimate religion because it can’t exist in their world view.
    Well, I can only say this to those people: it’s only because of the insistence that we were *not* legitimate, that there was motivation to *be* a legitimate religion. You see, our religion, like Christianity and other mainstream religions, is based *not* on a foundation of evidence, but of community. The Pastafarian church was built and its legitimacy formed by people tired of being disenfranchised for thinking rationally. We have every right to exist and form a religious community. That many of us don’t literally believe our own superstitions or in the existence of our own God is evidence that we’re thinking.

  103. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    have there been ANY indictments of Wall Streeters by the DOJ? If so, have there been ANY convictions? I don’t think so,
    ===========
    Well, how about Raj Rajaratnam and Fabrice “The Fabulous Fab” Tourre for starters. I am busy today so I’ll allow you to complete the research and report back to us the long list of others.

  104. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Huh? Women are doing great – more college graduates, small business openings etc. And of course affirmative action doesn’t hurt either.
    The glass ceilings? Well you see, alot of women want to have a child or two. Or take some time off for something else. It all works out that men work quite a bit more than women do – and so get promoted more in the fair marketplace.
    I mean this is good: our birthrate is already below replacement. If women insist on competing with men we (Whites) will go extinct. I know that Liberals want Mexicans to do the breeding for us but that’s not going to be Western Civilization, Ok?

  105. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    K-DOG,
    The way Helen worded her comment made it clear, to me at least, that she was speculating. Try reading it again with that idea in mind.

  106. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    All of you will be dunked in huge vats of spaghetti – until you recant or are cooked.

  107. newworld August 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Speaking of men, our beloved mesiah President Obama can go on late night talk shows, converse with brain dead hosts about Snooki Fun Bags, yeah man up bros.

  108. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    in the USA military, where there is no homophobia.
    ===============
    Asoka, you get top award as the quintessential progressive but you are confusing official decree with reality. There is exactly as much homophobia in the military as in the general population, give or take a couple of hundredths of a percentage point.

  109. Hugh Culliton August 27, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    As long as everyone’s nice to their neighbors I don’t give a fiddler’s fart about nor is it any of my concern who marries whom But I guess that’s your point. Chris Hedges delt with this in “Empire of Illusion” that we’re fed modern bread and circuses which keep us quiet, distracted and channeled. But still, why do I think in 5 years things are going to look like that TV show Jericoe?

  110. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Let’s all go see the movie 2016: Obama’s America and talk about it next week. Rush said that Obama’s half brother, who lives in a hut, begged D’nesh Dsouza for some money since he knows Obama wouldn’t give him any. The guy is probably not related to Obama at all anyway. Obama’s Father was probably Frank Marshall Davis. Nothing about the guy is real.
    Show of hands: how many of you voted for him?

  111. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Al,
    Many of the immoral things that the banks did were perfectly legal, because the laws had been changed over the last 30 years, even during the Clinton administration.
    The DOJ can only prosecute actions that are against the law.

  112. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    So when Gay Officers abuse their position just like Straight ones do (with women), what recourse will the enlisted men have? After all, “There is no Homophobia is the Military”. Gay is good, Gay is in fact GREAT. The situation is shaping up for extreme abuse – thanks to Headline Writers and Believers like Asoka.

  113. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    If homosexuality is “totally unnatural,” as you say, then why is same-sex behavior a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
    Nature is full of homosexuality, ipso facto, homosexuality is natural, normal behavior.

  114. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    here in south america, we are damn sick and tired of the gayification of society
    ==============
    I am truly surprised to hear this from you Welles. I hope you won’t mind if I get a second opinion from another resident (we are lead to believe) of South America. Asoka, what say you? Is South America, sick and tired of the gayification of society?

  115. Buck Stud August 27, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Conservatives also started health food and the national parks. Communists hated Nature after all.

    A similar sentiment was expressed one hundred and fifty eight years ago by the landscape painter Birge Harrison. In fact, by page two he is crediting the rugged trials of nature for instilling the distinct love of landscape painting that developed in the northern European countries and by extension his “Aryan ancestors”.(Click the “read online” tab in the below link.)
    An interesting take and quite similar to John Ruskin in sentiment.
    http://archive.org/details/landscapepaintin00harruoft

  116. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    No.
    Most analysts haven’t noticed, but a major social revolution is taking place in Latin America. The region is becoming gayer. It’s not that there are more gays and lesbians living in Latin America (we would never know). Rather, the region is becoming more gay-friendly. A generation ago, Latin America was the land of the closet and the home of the macho. Today, movements fighting for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights are taking advantage of the region’s more globalized, open regimes. They are promoting their cause through smart, mainstream political and economic alliances. So, though closets and machos are still ubiquitous, Latin America is now the site of some of the most pro-gay legislation in the developing world.
    SOURCE: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/02/17/gays_in_latin_america_is_the_closet_half_empty

  117. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

    it is important to remember, i think, to decry harmful actions, but not to decry people.
    ===========
    Did you pick up this idea from Asoka? You two are definitely in sync. He believes Obama should be tried for crimes against humanity, yet he “likes him as a person.” When Jill Klein becomes an “also ran” on election day Asoka will be perfectly happy with Obama for four more years.

  118. mistified August 27, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    “But the Republicans are way down the road toward fascism.”
    What a MORON.
    Our sitting President, declared congress to be in recess when it was not in order to make an appointment. He has appointed 32 separate czars, to unelected, unaccountable positions to further his agenda. HIs justice apartment has failed to uphold the laws of our nation when he declared via fiat proclamation that illegal aliens would no longer be pursued through our justice system.
    Rather than let our legal system sort out the bankruptcy proceedings of both Chrysler and GM, he, quite Caesar like, screwed the bond and stock holders (aka investors) and literally stole both companies to the credit of union members and the discredit of taxpayers.
    These and more are fascistic acts on the part of President Obama. And there is not a single finger print of the Republican party on a single one of them.
    Now, STFU and put the crack pipe down and go out and get a fucking job, moron.

  119. Buck Stud August 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    Correction: Harrison was born in 1854 and wrote the book in 1909/10.

  120. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    When Jill Klein becomes an “also ran” on election day
    ==============
    This is why I suggested practicing at home spelling out the name: S T E I N

  121. mistified August 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    “…why is same-sex behavior a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom?”
    Uh, let me guess. So you can violate various male species and they won’t be upset? (Just guessing.)

  122. danogenes August 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Yay Jim
    Call the cowards out. It really is a question of the Democrats having no balls (or ovaries depending on the case.) Gay rights is an afterthought. Global warming, starvation, resource depletion, financial fraud all get a pass. Do these clowns have any idea of how history and their children will judge them.

  123. Inquiring Mind August 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    Typical argument Asoka. Totally ridiculous. You are talking about animals. Human beings don’t live in trees or in holes in the ground. We have minds and create civilizations.

  124. driften August 27, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    “HIs justice apartment has failed to uphold the laws of our nation when he declared via fiat proclamation that illegal aliens would no longer be pursued through our justice system.”
    Funny that you keyed in on the illegal alien thing while Corzine, et al take a walk and you say nothing. Did you watch the congressional hearings on the important question of steroid use in pro sports? Your concerns reveal you…

  125. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    Kunstler’s not mocking Jesus,
    ============
    This is your best post to date Welles. Good job.

  126. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    Well, I was waiting for it, and here it is in this comment. The reason men are so berefit of strength and integrity is women, according to this guy who says he’s progressive.
    If only women were more modest in their dress and less interested in having sex when they want to, the world would be much better off.
    Can I make you a sandwich Joshua?

  127. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

    Look outside. Show us something created by women.
    =============
    I googled and came up with this top 10 list of inventions by women:
    1. Kevlar
    2. Nystatin (fungus fighting drug)
    3. Windshield wiper
    4. Dishwasher
    5. The square bottomed paper bag
    6. Colored flare system
    7. The Compiler and COBOL computer language
    8. Liquid paper
    9. Chocolate chip cookies
    10. Circular saw

  128. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    “Well, I was waiting for it, and here it is in this comment.”
    Found what you were looking for, eh? Amazing how often that happens, isn’t it?
    I don’t think Joshua was suggesting any of the things you credit him with. Have all the sex you want…Joshua just doesn’t want to have to pay to free you from the biological consequences. Celebrate sluttiness with pride…just don’t get angry when you’re called a slut.
    But TO YOU that means ankle-length dresses and chastity. You’re like the guy with the orange mohawk running around screaming “DON’T STARE AT ME”.

  129. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    Go bother someone else, you’re on the wrong site.

  130. Newfie August 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Jon Corzine ? I thought he fled to Paraguay. (haha)

  131. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Sadly, there are plenty of females out there who vote republican, oppose equal rights for themselves and their daughters, and want to ban abortions. It’s not just men who support these outdated and backward opinions.
    But, to say all women lie, and lie about being raped, is a gross error. Many of us who are raped tell absolutely nobody out of fear of the consequences of being honest. If the police in the USA are as sexist as the ones in Canada, few sane women would volunteer to go through that process to find justice. We just suffer in silence. Your post is sadly out of line.

  132. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Oh my, we have a new caveman on board.
    If women have been lacking in scientific skills it’s only because men have denied us our right to an education for hundreds of years, along with the right to vote and the right to make decisions about our own bodies.
    While we are allowed to go to school now, we are also cautioned not to act too smart because that might threaten the boys. Apparently in order for them to be strong we must appear to be weak. It’s going to take a long time to overcome those kinds of attitudes that make it so hard for women to reach their full potential.

  133. k-dog August 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    Untruth is everywhere and pervasive in American life.

  134. driften August 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    No, GOG, no new caveman, just the same ole’ same ole’ with a new wrapper. Or user name.

  135. Buck Stud August 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Hmmmm…I thought Vlad told us number ten was a Ginsu knife?

  136. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm #

    “While we are allowed to go to school now, we are also cautioned not to act too smart because that might threaten the boys.”
    Really? Where? I’m not saying that certain backwards attitudes don’t still exist but neither of my daughters (early 20s) ever considered themselves academically throttled during their schooling (other than their classes being held back by perpetual discipline problems). My wife has taught for 15 years and can’t ever remember suggesting that one of her female students hold back to avoid embarassing the boys.
    Progress IS being made. You sure you’re not living too much in the past?

  137. Kurt August 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    Yeah, but more important than tallying the number of inventions by gender (or race or nationality) is that those of us sniping back and forth on JHK’s comment board (or all things) have invented a big fat NOTHING>

  138. Dan_White August 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    The philosophical underpinnings of all this deliberate cultural confusion are nicely laid out by Valdas Anelauskas in this video.
    It’s funny how it takes a foreigner to do such a succinct analysis of American society.
    The thought police want to shut this guy down right now, so here are a couple of alternate URLs.
    youtube.com/watch?v=FeckJp-78uA
    forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=135314
    pacificaforum.org/archives.html

  139. keiths August 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Honestleee!
    I’m beginning to understand why Jim has been married and divorced so many times.

  140. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    I am happy for your wife and daughters. Clearly they were given a stronger message at home about their worth as fully functioning humans.
    Not everyone is so lucky, and consider the effect of mass media, especially advertising. Laundry detergent makers still want us to take the blame for our man’s dirty shirt collars, and it’s still women pictured in all those ads for cleaning products. The media does a very good job of keeping us in our place and that message is bombarded at women and men alike all our lives.
    I hope I am not living in the past, I don’t think that I am. Too little has changed and I know that is true because we are still debating whether women should have the right to control their own bodies. If we were truly equal that wouldn’t be an issue anymore, it would be taken as a given.

  141. Neon Vincent August 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    Normally, Jim is a little more positive about male energies. It’s a sign of how badly they’ve been mismanaged that he’s so down on them.
    I’d also be more voluble about my blog, but I’ve just had three encounters with the medical establishment that have drained my energy. May my experience turn out better than Jim’s with his defective hip replacement. Instead, I’ll just wish you all happy motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  142. JonathanSS August 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Who’s making the same inflammatory comments, as in the past, in order to get a rise out of the CFN Faithful.
    Every time I read a post of his that has a “Rush said …” comment in it, I think I’ll counter with, Rachel Mad Cow said…”.

  143. welles August 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    (we are lead to believe)
    is this an incorrect past tense?
    peace peaceniks

  144. Grouchy Old Girl August 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Well I’ve made it to the end of the comments, and it’s time to say how much I enjoyed Jim’s post this week.
    Some thirty years ago I briefly saw a psychologist and one of his statements that stayed with me is his opinion that there is something wrong with the men today, that they have abandoned their roles as men in favour of remaining like little children expecting women to look after their needs just like mom did.
    It’s sad to say but I’ve come to believe he is right, although clearly its a generalization that can’t be fairly applied to every single man around. But I’ve encountered enough of them in my work to see that it is a real problem.
    All of us are struggling to figure out who we are and who we should be. It’s been a time of great social change since I was a kid in the 50s. It’s just as tough for men as for women, trying to overcome old ideas that keep us tied down and prevent us from reaching full potential. There is progress but it’s painfully slow and not everyone has joined in. Some like the old roles for men and women, they were cast in stone and easy to understand. It’s those of us who want to have full lives unburdened by old rules who make progress, and I say good for us.
    Eventually the old cavemen and their “little women” will die off. Can’t come soon enough, they’re slowing us down.

  145. bproman August 27, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    Hey that karmic soup is starting to yield an odor.

  146. george August 27, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    If only the lies and fraud were confined to the American nation, humanity might have a hope of survival. Unfortunately, the web of deceit and failure to acknowledge reality is so widespread that I’m beginning to think humanity has reached the end of its’ existence on this planet. America is merely a microcosm of a much larger problem that is infecting the entire world, with the notable exception of Japan, the only nation actively planning for the Long Emergency.

  147. XXX5 August 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    George,
    Japan may be “actively planning for the Long Emergency” but as time rolls on, the number of cancers, stillborn infants, and bizarre medical conditions resulting from Fukushima will put a damper on any long term viability there. Fukushima, the history books will say, is much, much worse than Chernobyl because Fukushima is still actively radiating into the sea, the aquifers, and the food chain.
    Japan is also a nation which is far worse than the USA for self sustainability. We import 70% of our nation’s oil. Japan is a 100% importer of a vast number of its energy and strategic metals inventories. I don’t see Japan as being better off in any sense in the LE.
    E.

  148. XXX5 August 27, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    Jim,
    There is a reason for the ignorance of the American male: A no-longer-viable news media. People don’t data mine the Internet like many of the members of CFN. They’re pissed off that they aren’t as well off as they were 4 years ago and resigned to being the first generation to do more poorly than their parents.
    We have silently moved to being little more than a country like Venezuela in terms of being a plutocratic kleptocracy. Yet, if one observes with clarity, the gigantic lower middle class that now makes up most of America still spends nearly its entire damned paycheck to buy adult toys. That the rich in this country have abandoned all civility is beyond doubt. However, rest of us have abandoned all fiscal prudence and have houses full of junk.
    This is the greatness sadness for me … WE BE DOOPID. We are accurately represented by the doofuses in office. We are THEY.
    E.

  149. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    Now go back and see where I said all woman who claim rape lie about being raped. I didn’t, did I? Now apologize like a big girl. What I did say, is that women tend to lie alot, and that some will lie about rape as well.
    As for as Schools: Nearly all the teachers are women and openly favor the girls. Increasingly education is becoming a girl thing with boys made to feel unwelcome.

  150. welles August 27, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    While we are allowed to go to school now, we are also cautioned not to act too smart because that might threaten the boys.
    This is nonsense.
    in other news –
    I love how in america millions of women dress like prostitutes, i.e. showing off as much curvaceousness and derma and cleavage, all of which revvs up any normal man’s healthy lust, yet the femmes get all indignant when someone takes them up on it with their eyes….
    typical american truth coverup, you can’t call anything by its right name.
    yet another way for the political-monetary masters to fracture the public’s common sense and keep folks in doubt as to what they see with their own eyes. Right from the Orwell playbook. Up is down.
    Me, i’ll just keep looking, it’s one of life’s great pleasures. I’ve told more than one femme ‘if you advertise someone’s gonna answer your ad’.
    simply admit it, you femmes love the attention, almost as much as you love the power to condemn.
    peace peaceniks

  151. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    Her name is Rachael Maddow not Mad Cow. What the hell is wrong with you?
    It’s disrespectful to “her” to call her Mr Mad Cow!

  152. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Most local news now has teams of men and women anchors. The women are always mocking the men. That’s the new paradigm. Totally normal – just like the “ladies” of the View celebrating the women who cut off a man’s penis and threw it in the garbarge disposal. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot…
    And now they are wondering about the marriage strike by men. Why don’t men want to marry us wonderful women?! Man up! Take your losing your life after divorce like a MAN (beast of burden).

  153. XXX5 August 27, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    GoG said:
    Some thirty years ago I briefly saw a psychologist and one of his statements that stayed with me is his opinion that there is something wrong with the men today, that they have abandoned their roles as men in favour of remaining like little children expecting women to look after their needs just like mom did.
    *****************************************************************
    Grouchy,
    The divorce rate in California is now an eye-popping 75%. In the USA as a whole we’ve surrendered to 60-70% divorce rates in most states. Who gets custody? The women. There is no male role model in two-thirds of America’s households. How can young American males know what a male should be when Mom is about the only stable figure in the house?
    Moreover, it also strikes me that Mom generally appeases kids because she’s not as confrontative as Dad. I’ve witnessed this up close and personal because I’ve been on dating sites for about 8 months and their willingness to deny their kids is paltry. If a strong male figure was in the house, I guarantee you that this new-born national trend of the kids staying in the house ’til age 30 would not exist.
    So we have a self-perpetuating spiral because the new, young Gen-Y and Gen-Z males will go into relationships acting like effete, narcissistic fops. Relationships are too dispensable now. And Dad has been shitcanned. He may be a deadbeat but Mom is not saying the “NO” word to junior.
    E.

  154. whiteyoz August 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    “Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it.” WTF? That’s the single dumbest thing you’ve ever written, it detracts from your correct observation that gay marriage is a distraction, and it puts you in the same basket as the “vast red state flyover” you affect to scorn.

  155. XXX5 August 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    Vlad said:
    Most local news now has teams of men and women anchors. The women are always mocking the men. That’s the new paradigm. Totally normal – just like the “ladies” of the View celebrating the women who cut off a man’s penis and threw it in the garbarge disposal. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot…
    And now they are wondering about the marriage strike by men. Why don’t men want to marry us wonderful women?! Man up! Take your losing your life after divorce like a MAN (beast of burden).
    ***************************************************************
    See my post immediately above about the absence of a male figure in the household due to two-thirds of all marriages ending in divorce. We wonder why our kids are effete fops but that’s what a lack of maleness in the household does.
    The “New Mocking” you point out pervades TV. So many commercials feature a Dad being a doofus while Mom informs the dope about some great product that would obviate the need for doing the grunt work he’s doing in the house.
    Like black reverse racism on whites, women jump all over misogynists. Men are supposed to react with equanimity when he’s booted out of the house and his wages will be garnished for life while he gets only token visitations with his kids. I haven’t mined this data … but I will … about the percentage of time in a divorce where Mom gets the house versus Dad getting the house.
    Like so much of the political correct poop that passes for thought in this dying country, only one side’s voice has been heard in the New Millenium re “The Battle of the Sexes”.
    E.

  156. XXX5 August 27, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    A personal addendum, Vlad. I’ve been a lifelong bachelor and it’s not due to lack of opportunity. I had three long relationships, none of which led to marriage … by my choice. I’m not here to crow about the fact that I shrank from the precipice of marriage. Ideally, I’d have wanted to marry if I didn’t observe, long ago, that it’s a shit deal for men.
    Among college-educated couples, NINETY PERCENT OF DIVORCE FILINGS ARE INITIATED BY WOMEN. Ninety!!! Yet the media image is that the men are the flibberty-gibbets who leave when the going gets tough. Of course, the radical femmes in America would imply that most of those men are horrid whilst they are innocent Bambis.
    Even in the age of no-fault divorces, men still give up the house upon divorce just because they want swift closure of the books on their lives with these women. I’m not surprised at the new male evasion of relationship. What in hell is in it for them?
    E.

  157. welles August 27, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    men still give up the house upon divorce just because they want swift closure of the books on their lives with these women
    …since the majority of women are irrational and domineering to the point of driving a man crazy.
    The majority, not all. And there is a remnant of men equally crazy. But the ratios are very lopsided.
    Ask any woman.
    peace peaceniks

  158. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    is this an incorrect past tense?
    ==============
    Yes, it is. And thank you for pointing it out. It should be led. All these years…I had no idea. I feel so ashamed.

  159. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

    The above is for Welles.

  160. Wolfbay August 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    The president can now arrest and hold citizens without due process Even better he can murder citizens without due process. Even if you think Obama is a saint and will not abuse his power what about presidents in the future? Absolute power corrupts.We are all wimps both male and female for letting this happen to be “safe”.
    And this president was a constitutional scholar?

  161. OccupyMBA August 27, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

    Um, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders? The SADA? It’s at http://www.sanders.senate.gov/savingdemocracy/
    Free Vermont!
    (For a fictional preview of how the USA will be Untied, see: http://interstates2040.wikispaces.com/)

  162. welles August 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    The above is for Welles.
    knowing your grammatical sensibilities, i posed it purely as a question, although at first blush it appeared to merit an interrobang. [(?)]
    peace peaceniks

  163. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    E,
    When you list statistics, such as “NINETY PERCENT OF DIVORCE FILINGS ARE INITIATED BY WOMEN. ”
    PLEASE include a reference that has some validity.
    Without a legitimate reference, statistics carry no weight.
    A while back either on this site or another, someone made a reference to an anti-immigration site. The site listed all kinds of “statistics”, but not a single reference as to who compiled the data.

  164. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    The figure of 90% sounds like something pulled off Wikipedia, which is not a reliable source.
    “The Divorce Experience: A Study of Divorce at Midlife and Beyond” surveyed 1,147 men and women, ages 40 to 79, who experienced a divorce in their 40s, 50s or 60s and found that 66% of the divorces were initiated by women.
    http://www.aarp.org/relationships/love-sex/info-2004/divorce.html

  165. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    In 2000, two law professors, Margaret Brinig from Notre Dame University and Douglas Allen from Iowa, conducted a surprising study. The two professors studied 46,000 divorce cases filed in four states—Connecticut, Virginia, Montana and Oregon—to find out why women file for divorce. The results of that study, published in “These Boots Are Made for Walking: Why Most Divorce Filers Are Women,” proved to be surprising. Women are 66 percent more likely to file for a divorce than a man, Brinig and Allen say.
    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/146100-why-do-women-initiate-divorce/#ixzz24nFT847P
    This study had a more respectable sample size of 46,000, but only sampled four states.

  166. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    asoka,
    That it what I’m talking about!
    In that study, there were also some interesting revelations.
    “Top Marriage Killers
    For women:
    physical or emotional abuse
    infidelity
    drug or alcohol abuse
    For men:
    fell out of love
    had different values or lifestyles”
    If these statements are correct, it looks like the men were the main problem. Maybe they didn’t file for divorce in most of the cases, but they seemed to have caused the divorce.
    It is not the woman’s fault if there was abuse, infidelity or substance abuse by the man.

  167. jaiseli August 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    yo, Nala
    it is a pleasure to “notice” your comment.
    not “just” another woman but, i suspect,
    a very unique, very special, “just” womb-Man,
    feet firmly “berthed” on the county land.
    bet u can also load your Man’s weapon, whatever is the purpose and intent! (wink)
    may AYEC (almigthy yahweh elohim Creator) continue to bless your discernment
    as usual, y’all be noticed to receive the blessings available NOW to the obedient and serving:
    1) get GROUNDED! – rural(50+ miles out), unencumbered, arable land
    2) get GROUPED! – ya can’t operate/survive-to-thrive ALONE! Such is the blessing of learning to live TOGETHER again!
    3) get GUNNED! – when the roving Fast-&-Furious-funded gangs come up against a well-armed and organized opponent they will move on to an unprepared prey who foolishly “expects” the “fraud” gov’t to save their sorry ass.
    simplify your lives, get local, break the corporate chains.
    these are exciting times to for the prepared and righteous!

  168. myrtlemay August 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    I’m guessing 2/3rds of women initiate divorce is accurate, for whatever reason – could be mid- life crisis where the man goes on the hunt for c_nt, alcoholism rears its ugly head, he gets too fat and she gets too fat to be attracted to each other…the list could go on. Whatever the reason, the “I’m outta here” mentality of both sexes when things go awry has been all too prevalent since the l970’s.
    As far as gay marriage is concerned; yes, it’s a red-herring. The fact that the PTB are all in favor of off shoring jobs and allowing unmitigated immigration into this country is totally ignored when discussing the direction we are headed. Personally, I don’t care if two guys or two girls want to get married. Have at it! Why this is the State’s business is beyond me. JHK reveals himself to be a homophobe and misogynist when he states that the downfall of western civilization is that men don’t hold the reins of power anymore. Women have always held the reins of power. It’s called the POP…Power of p_ssy, if you will.
    Most importantly, as a few of the commenters today have suggested, is that our dear President and his cronies have allowed our fellow citizens to be spied on, groped, and detained INDEFINITELY, without probable cause or due process. Now, if you want to bitch about gay marriage, be my guest. You should all be shitting your pants that what you say and do is being actively monitored by “our” government, and if they happen to dislike it, your ass is grass. Google “Raub detention” and see if you can get my drift.

  169. welles August 27, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    for the prepared and righteous!
    good to go local, free yourself from corporations to a point, and get prepared, but pull the plug on the righteousness stuff, everyone thinks they’re righteous, from the righteous guy who blows up 125 civilians and himself to the righteous-feeling people who got blowed up by him.
    better to stay humble, knowing everyone’s subject to failings and being wrong, even when they’re sure they’re righteous and select, and try to do no harm.
    stop wishing for the apocalypse, which is what you think you’d love to happen. realize how sick that is.
    do a google search and see how many thousands of years people have thought the same way as you, that the world has tipped over and the end is near. doesn’t happen that way, but i agree it’s wonderfully exciting, the fantasy.
    one day you’ll wake up. world’s here to stay.
    peace peaceniks

  170. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Yeah, we can fight battles like black/white, men/women, gay/straight, immigrants/citizens, etc. among ourselves. Or we can focus on the national budget priorities.
    President Barack Obama sent Congress a proposed defense budget of $613.9 billion for fiscal 2013.
    President Mitt Romney has pledged to increase that to almost ONE TRILLION DOLLARS, if elected.
    While we fight among ourselves over superficial divisions, our pockets are being picked by THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-CORPORATE COMPLEX.

  171. jaiseli August 27, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    yo, XX5
    a pleasure to “notice” your comment.
    very insightful info.
    ya think this is all possibly by design, i.e Edward Bernay’s type stuff?
    subtle distruction of not only the male’s parental role, but also of the integral Family as a whole?
    the “D-elites” program of Dumbing, Diseasing, Debting, Distracting while coaxing the “Herd” in to the chute to the kill-floor?
    is the ultimate goal one of world domination and eugenics?

  172. Paraquat August 27, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    I interpret JHK’s comment about gay marriage to mean that, in the scheme of things, it’s just not important.
    And I agree with that assessment. I personally don’t care one way or another if we have legalized gay marriage. There are bigger fish to fry. You know, things like collapse of the banking system, the polar ice caps melting down, that sort of stuff.
    I personally think the banksters are delighted by the whole gay marriage issue. It’s the gift that keeps on giving. It gets the proletariat all fired up. It’s political red meat. While the liberals and conservatives have a food fight over gay marriage, the banksters quietly steal everything that is not chained down…until they steal the chain.

  173. Jam47 August 27, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

    Feminism’s next great war is the war against Islam. Will feminists expect their male compatriots to help them fight this war? They certainly will. But they shouldn’t expect any real fighting spirit from their menfolk. Many of these men, after all, have been de-bollocked, de-bollocked by feminism.

  174. sevenmmm August 27, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    That is a blog of a baseball bat snapping the back of someone’s neck. I don’t get the gay thing either, other than what happened way back in time at Sodom and Gomorrah. Hmmm, similar ending methinks.

  175. welles August 27, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    Yeah, we can fight battles like black/white, men/women, gay/straight, immigrants/citizens, etc. among ourselves. Or we can focus on the national budget priorities.
    right on brother! long ago it stopped being about the people. fuck sake, we could pay each person $2,000 without that insane military ‘budget’.
    long ago it stopped being about helping people. it’s all about the money, the power.
    government, with its ability to print up and distribute any amount of money, should guarantee every citizen access to any level of healthcare, university level education, and employment, there’s plenty of things that need doing, even if it is make work. make-work can be very beneficial.
    the gov’t CAN pay for it all, regardless of the price. it can invent any money. money is infinite.
    some things, like education, should depend on meeting tough standards to qualify for it. and guaranteed monthly salaries should depend on actually doing work.
    the country’s down the toilet because people have little drive to better themselves, or make incredibly dumb decisions like studying poetry.
    it’s very triste to see a once great U S and A people so outbred, wan and enfeebled both physically and in its life of the mind.
    peace peaceniks

  176. asoka.. August 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    It’s not just the banksters. The MIC budget which continues to increase is being used to invade and occupy countries around the world, wasting precious national resources.
    We are left to fight over funding things like police, fire, EMS, health, education, etc. and people have the gall to say: “we can’t afford those things” or “how can we pay for those things?”
    Simple. Reorder national budget priorities.
    Stop building every wasteful weapon system the Pentagon requests, including funding for even those useless weapon systems the Pentagon does not want.
    Stop corporate welfare. Tax the rich.

  177. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    i posed it purely as a question, although at first blush it appeared to merit an interrobang. [(?)]
    =============
    Thanks, that makes two new things I learned today. Spell check does not recognize interrobang.

  178. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    Here is an article with numbers that show how high marginal tax rates cripple economic growth.
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/08/16/the-prosperity-gospel-of-trickle-down-economics/

  179. welles August 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Re the interrobang, there is a fascinating and extremely informative recounting of the glyph’s genesis out at wiki, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
    When you think of it, outside of the exclamation point (and obviously the question mark) we have no punctuation marks that provide even a basic indication of the writer’s intent, e.g. irony, tongue in cheek, sarcasm, whatnot.
    “Well i’d better be….shovelling off” (insert word play punctuation mark here).
    By the way, 5 points to anyone who can place that line.
    peace peaceniks

  180. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    Women are 66 percent more likely to file for a divorce than a man, Brinig and Allen say.
    =============
    It is odd to me that the researchers would state their findings in this way. It would mean that 62.4% of divorces are filed by women.
    Now, Asoka, let’s see if you can explain why this seemingly odd conclusion is so.

  181. acoolerclimate August 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    I’ve been reading this blog for many years now, and I always thought the majority of posters here were a cut above the crowd, smarter, more attuned to what’s happening in the world, and better able to see things beyond the obvious. But after having to read through JHK’s comments on Gays and Gay marriage, and then the comments to the article, I’m sorely disappointed in everyone. Not only disappointed but sad and angry.
    Listen, if you are gay, you are gay. It’s not a phase, it’s not a mistake, and it’s not changeable. Can you just imagine what it would be like to be told you could NEVER marry the person you loved? And that there was no one you could marry. Just think about that for a minute. We are brought up to think of marriage as THE pinnacle of adult hood, and yet a gay person can never fulfill that major milestone. Can’t any of you imagine what that would be like? Why don’t all of you just try for a minute to walk in someone else’s shoes. Jesus Christ, I’m just sick of this country and how cruel everyone is, even the supposed “smart” people.
    It’s not the Democrats causing this mess. If you need the protections of marriage, you have to fight for it. If the Republicans would just stop fighting gay marriage, it would be done and over and the country could move on. Think, about 3% of people might have a same sex marriage. Big whoop. Once it’s done and over, everyone can shut up about it and work on other things. But as long as people keep fighting to prevent it, the battle wages on and nothing else is talked about. It’s inevitable, but stubborn people just won’t give up keeping it illegal. How could 3% of the population (or 2% or 5% or whatever it is) cause the rest of you such anguish? So what if they want to get married? Once they can, the rest of you can just freakin move on, and a small subset of the country can live a decent life.
    Ugh, ugh, ugh. It’s not a choice to be gay and there are many gay men who ARE men, not trying to be women. They just want to marry another man. SO WHAT! How does it effect the rest of you? Just live and let live and move on to other things. For craps sake.

  182. wpick August 27, 2012 at 9:32 pm #

    Your tireless depiction of the dimwitted Southern Protestant fundamentalist is as threadbare and unAmerican as your support of the mainstream 911 paradigm. You know the truth and find it to your liking to look the other way, Soon they will catch on to your treachery and the roar from the South will put any NASCAR race to sham. You fool fewer Christians every day. You are a one note bigot no different than the image you betray of Southerners.

  183. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    A tip o’the hat to Q for being able to apply algebra to a real world problem. That definitely puts you well into the top 10% of Murricans.
    Now as to the question as to why the number was presented that way. Saying that women are 66% more likely to file seems larger, since 66% is about 2/3rds.

  184. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    Bravo, I believe you. That 90% figure is fascinating if true – can you reference? I post on men’s sites and would love to present it. Or you can – go to the spearpoint.com. They’d love to see this.
    Good news: Greece has been touched by the Light, the Light that will save the West. Good introductury video to the Golden Dawn, the movement of Greek Patriots (Fascists) against Bankers, Liberals, Communists, Capitalists, the IMF, European Union, Conservative appeasers, Liberal Leftists (they seem to have most of the same categories as we do) and of course the Non Greeks who infest their land. Greece has been one of the gateways of Africans and Muslims into Europe. Many stay as criminals and parasites.
    Now after watching this, you tell me if you think these folks are controlled by the Corporations. And once you see just what they are, revaluate all you believe about WW2 – because this is the same Light that tried to save Europe before. Even Orwell admitted that they weren’t as bad as they were presented, that they would have created a new civilization – different, maybe less in some ways but more in others, etc. He’s one of the very few Leftists I have the slightest respect for. Note the fury of commentator to his collegues: the oh so superior ones brought on what they fear the most by their utter arrogance.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/08/golden-dawn-rising/#more-30177

  185. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    I’ll give you that point: not all Gay men are fags. And they didn’t ask for it. But I begin to have problems with what they do with it: their envy, desire to be as “good as you” (better), support for the Left, intention to change America completely, criminalize Christianity which cannot change on this question, etc.

  186. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    Vlad,
    I looked into the 90% figure. The only place I can find it is in this wikipedia article.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce
    If it is in wikipedia, then it MUST BE TRUE!
    Here is the sentence from the article:
    “Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.”
    Unfortunately there is no reference that I can find for this statement.
    This article also misrepresents the article mentioned in earlier comments. The wikipedia article says:
    “According to a study published in the American Law and Economics Review, women currently file slightly more than two-thirds of divorce cases in the United States.”
    Even though it was only 62.4% and it was not in the whole US, but just 4 states.
    I also looked into the journal in which the original article was published, the American Law and Economics Review.
    This journal is from the American Law and Economics Association, which was funded by … The John M. Olin Foundation. When you hear Olin, think, VERY conservative, rich guy!
    While I am sure that makes you thrilled, it is not going to convince many reasonable people.

  187. jaiseli August 27, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    1) i don’t recall writing anything about “apocalypse”
    therefore, I reject your suppositon!
    2) you’re not anybody’s Master, therefore i won’t “drop” anything you “demand”
    3) especially from a “PERSON” existing in a RELATIVE world where “righteousness” longer has an ABSOLUTE value

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  189. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    The two professors studied 46,000 divorce cases filed in four states—Connecticut, Virginia, Montana and Oregon—to find out why women file for divorce.
    =============
    The divorce researchers reached a number of conclusions as to WHY women filed for so many divorces. In a nutshell the women perceived that “the dicks were larger on the other side of the fence.” ;o)

  190. JonathanSS August 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Good one! Especially since I was using your nickname for her, as you posted at 1:59pm today.

  191. Kyooshtik August 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    at first blush it appeared to merit an interrobang.
    =============
    Welles,
    What set of key strokes creates the interrobang symbol? I printed out a set of “Accent Marks and Diacriticals” a couple of years ago but the interrobang is not shown. Most of the ones I use are made with the Alt key + four digits. For example the division symbol is Alt+0247.

  192. muddmike August 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    jaiseli,
    Give welles a break. Unfortunately, the meaning of many words have been distorted over the years.
    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
    A word such a righteousness is one of these words that is distorted by many. Unfortunately many define righteousness as believing exactly what that person believes. This often include various religious beliefs that are held by a relatively small group of people.
    Thus, when you say righteousness, it could mean damn near anything. For conservative Christians it means one thing, for liberal Christians it means another. For Muslims it means still something else. Without a context welles has no basis for understanding what you mean by this word.

  193. Radu Voda August 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    They have supported Islam in Europe so far. Amazing but true. When presented with the Muslim Rape stats in Norway, one Feminst Professor cackled that Norway was a multicultural country now and that Norwegian women would have to adapt. How to explain it? Remember, Feminism is a Marxism. And women don’t come first to the hardcore – the Revolution does. And Muslims are allies in the struggle to overthrow the hated White Man.
    In America look at their support for Bill Clinton – a notorious womanizer and harrasser of women. Or the swimmer Ted Kennedy. So much for poor Mary Joe.

  194. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    Well I find it believable although this is the first time I’ve heard it. Just to reiterate a basic point: it doesn’t say that 90% of college women get a divorce but only that among college women who do, 90% were brought by the woman.
    So obviously the next question is what percentage of college women get divorced and then “collate” the two numbers. In general, college expands woman’s sense of self and sense of entitlement (same thing with most). How can any man be good enough for them? Note: among the 1% divorce is probably less. I mean she’s made it and is unlikely to do better elsewhere… Of course she might try to take him to the cleaners, but unlike alot of middle class guys, the 1% guys will be ready and able to fight back – and have the resources to do so. Just a few thoughts – I’m sure they do have their share of divorces but I’d be willing to bet it’s lower than the middle class.

  195. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    How could 3% of the population (or 2% or 5% or whatever it is) cause the rest of you such anguish? So what if they want to get married?
    The anguish comes because gays hide their sexuality, instead of openly displaying it in public like heterosexuals do.
    Then when a gay couple does show their affection (as innocent as hand holding) in public, the heterosexuals freak out and say they are “flaunting” their homosexuality. Heterosexuals can hold hands in public and nobody freaks out, because that kind of public display of affection/connection is so common that everybody is use to it.
    The solution is for all gays to come out of the closet and begin to express their affection openly like heterosexuals do.
    Gays need to flaunt their sexuality in public more, and the more they do and the more commonplace it becomes, the less of a big deal about it will be expressed by heterosexuals.
    Everyone should feel free to express their affection in public. I’m talking men and men, women and women, men and women expressing affection toward their dogs, group hugs of multiple groupings, etc. Hold hands, smile, kiss, etc. whatever heterosexuals are legally allowed to do in public, but for God’s sakes don’t keep your homosexuality hidden in a closet.

  196. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    Vlad,
    You are back at your old practice of changing the subject!. In my post I simply copied and pasted the quote from the wikipedia article.
    Here is a copy and paste from my posting:
    ‘Here is the sentence from the article:
    “Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.”‘
    Now where did I say that 90% of college women get a divorce?
    Is this how you “win” debates, by changing the subject and what others said?

  197. Shakazulu August 28, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    “Cowards die many times before their deaths;
    The valiant never taste of death but once.
    Of all the wonders that I yet have heard.
    It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
    Seeing that death, a necessary end,
    Will come when it will come.”
    “Behold I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.”
    “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him…From now on those who die believing in the Lord are blessed. ‘Yes,’ says the Spirit. ‘Let them rest from their hard work.'”
    We will all have our chance to die like men. Me I need my rest. Living with all these people is wearing me out.

  198. turkleton August 28, 2012 at 1:30 am #

    Liquid paper?
    “COBOL computer language”
    And we shall never speak of it ever again!

  199. turkleton August 28, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    “in direct opposition to the laws of nature”
    Monkeys and other mammals express some homo-erotic behavior. *shrugs*
    What are these laws of which you speaketh?

  200. San Jose Mom 51 August 28, 2012 at 1:34 am #

    From your viewpoint, you consider it an economic advantage to not have ever married. Hopefully you have some friends that will be by your side if you get sick, and when you die.

  201. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 1:38 am #

    From now on those who die believing in the Lord are blessed.
    ===============
    I am blessed. I love Lord Krishna.
    Krishna is the original Lord, before all those other copycat “Lords.” A Sanskrit word in its origin language, K???a is primarily an adjective meaning “black” … Black is beautiful.

  202. turkleton August 28, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Having someone around when you die is a crap reason for getting married. What if your spouse croaks before you? Perhaps this is more valid for having children. Even then, is it worth the cost, just so that you don’t die alone? Not really. Who cares? You’re dead either way. There are better reasons.
    As for as having people by your side, sure I suppose that’s great, but firstly you better have some decent medical insurance, or you’re screwed anyways.

  203. turkleton August 28, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    “Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.”
    This sounds like a crap statistic, but, hey, suppose I better read the paper or something. I seriously doubt its true though.

  204. jackieblue2u August 28, 2012 at 1:47 am #

    YOU GOT IT !
    Maybe they weren’t the ones to File, but they Caused the Divorce.
    I love you ! you are guy and you Get it. a fucking miracle !
    Yes see this way they can play innocent or rather ‘victim’ because She Filed. (they just treated her like shit,) provoking etc. but Never leaving, so it ‘looks’ like it’s Her !
    And to outsiders it looks that way, but some of us Know better. our eyes have been opened.
    it’s time for bed now.
    but yeah you got it perfect.
    PERFECT.
    THANK YOU !

  205. turkleton August 28, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    “Or we can focus on the national budget priorities.”
    And, what, pray tell ‘soka, are you going to do about the budget via your posts on CFN? Something tells me the OMB is not reading your insights. 🙂

  206. Ungaro August 28, 2012 at 2:13 am #

    Jesus H. Kunstler! I am avid reader of your weekly missives and thoroughly enjoy your superbly creafted prose. I have not posted a comment until now because I have managed to hold my emotions in check. No more!
    I take no issue with your points other than it is based on dichotomy and conflict. Dem vs. Rep, male vs. female, gay vs. straight, southern vs. yankee, moron vs. intellectual, rich vs. poor, ad nauseum.
    Please, I beseech you, rise above these illusory differences and write something inspitational and unitive. We must band together to overcome the huge challanges of the future and not bicker about with whom our neighbor sleeps, or to which corrupt political party (s)he pledges allegiance. We have much bigger problems in untangling the financial-political-military-industrial hegemony, ending the cutlure of corruption, and setting in place the cornerstone of a sustainable, spiritually evolved society.
    Please help us become smarter so we can succeed in ignoring the divisive side-shows and focus on the important things.
    For those who wish to pigeonhole me, I am a straight male, married, 2 children, USAF veteran, disillusioned Republican, retired software engineer living overseas, traveling the world and writing software for the pure joy of it.

  207. Ungaro August 28, 2012 at 2:17 am #

    Jesus H. Kunstler! I am an avid reader of your weekly missives and thoroughly enjoy your superbly creafted prose. I have not posted a comment until now because I have managed to hold my emotions in check. No more!
    I take no issue with your points other than they are based on dichotomy and conflict. Dem vs. Rep, male vs. female, gay vs. straight, southern vs. yankee, moron vs. intellectual, rich vs. poor, ad nauseum.
    Please, I beseech you, rise above these illusory differences and write something inspitational and unitive. We must band together to overcome the huge challanges of the future and not bicker about with whom our neighbor sleeps, or to which corrupt political party (s)he pledges allegiance. We have much bigger problems in untangling the financial-political-military-industrial hegemony, ending the culture of corruption, and setting in place the cornerstone of a sustainable, spiritually evolved society.
    Please help us become smarter so we can succeed in ignoring the divisive side-shows and focus on the important things.
    For those who wish to pigeonhole me, I am a straight male, married, 2 children, USAF veteran, disillusioned Republican, retired software engineer living overseas, traveling the world and writing software for the pure joy of it.

  208. lookgetfv August 28, 2012 at 2:25 am #

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  209. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 2:47 am #

    And, what, pray tell ‘soka, are you going to do about the budget via your posts on CFN?
    First, I have established there is no difference between the major party candidates re: MIC budget over $600 Billion dollars.
    Second, I offer a legitimate alternative in the Green Party, which does have a party platform substantially different than the major parties. I believe the Green Party is the ONLY political party on the presidential ballot that has NONVIOLENCE as one of its ten core values.
    Third, I mobilize for electoral action, even if the action is so small as entering a voting booth (though even that is becoming more difficult with voter suppression efforts underway this year). Voting must be important because they don’t want us to do it.
    That is how to get the budget priorities changed through posts to CFN.
    Of course, none of this applies to ozone because he doesn’t want to be told what the fuck to do. I don’t believe ozone has a more practical plan, though.

  210. Julian Curtis Lee August 28, 2012 at 3:43 am #

    I am always moved by Jim’s articles. But this one especially much. I always feel that a Gentile heart battles, in Kunstler, with a Jewish mind. He takes a lot of risk in this article and in this whole web board.
    I note that it took a man to properly deconstruct the urban environment created by those who worship the car-god. (Our whole war-stunned paternity.)
    What other than the penetrating male mind could deconstruct such a monstrosity that it’s parting-out in vanquished sections is clear for all eyes?
    Yeah, our maladies are all about the men. He needs to be regenerated. Else all is lost.

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  212. kulturcritic* August 28, 2012 at 4:53 am #

    IT IS ALL ABOUT THE FLESH, JAMES!!!!
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  213. kulturcritic* August 28, 2012 at 4:53 am #

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  214. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:17 am #

    Asoka said:
    Only men insecure in their masculinity feel threatened by homosexuals.
    We now live at a time of heightened American manhood, when there is more acceptance of gays/lesbians than ever before.
    *****************************************************************
    No, men who are quite secure in their masculinity are just sick and tired of such a marginal social issue as “rights” for gays gets the huge amount of mindshare that it gets. After CA residents voted NOT to have gay marriage, the Prop 8 touters kept at it on street corners for two freaking years. And it’s a fraudulent issue because, since gay men don’t appear to suffer real discrimination (their incomes are above the national average) any more than a straight guy walking into a dyke bar.
    Because our stupid faux “culture” spends so much time on so many marginal issues, our real struggles go unattended to.
    E.

  215. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:21 am #

    Mike,
    I typed “percent of divorce filings by women”. I presume that unless you’re a Neanderthal, you can do this, too.
    E.

  216. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:28 am #

    I typed “percentage of divorce filed by women” in my Google window. You can, too. And, yes, it, and more is from Wiki but why should YOU be biased against your own favorite data source. He’s the item on “Gender and Divorce”:
    ***************************************************************
    “According to a study published in the American Law and Economics Review, women currently file slightly more than two-thirds of divorce cases in the United States.[69] There is some variation among states, and the numbers have also varied over time, with about 60% of filings by women in most of the 19th century, and over 70% by women in some states just after no-fault divorce was introduced, according to the paper. Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.”
    ****************************************************************
    Men are driven by sex, women by OPPORTUNISM. Naturally, there are exceptions in both genders to this generalization. Like it or not, women are the ones wanting “out” and they want it on quite luxurious terms as all the data in the world would suggest.
    E.

  217. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:31 am #

    Acoolerclimate said:
    Listen, if you are gay, you are gay. It’s not a phase, it’s not a mistake, and it’s not changeable.
    ****************************************************************
    I think most rational people accept gays but are sick and tired of the air time and mindshare their faux grievances get because they’re overrepresented, demographically, in the media. Nuff said. They’re queer, they’re here, and we’re sick of hearing about it.
    E.

  218. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:34 am #

    Mike … Wiki merely quotes data from a highly reputable source. End of story.
    E.

  219. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:37 am #

    SJM said:
    From your viewpoint, you consider it an economic advantage to not have ever married. Hopefully you have some friends that will be by your side if you get sick, and when you die.
    *****************************************************************
    Oddly, though I’m a misanthrope, I have many friends. But this begs the reality, SJM, that we are ALL ALONE when we die. Personally, I’ve always looked at the “comfort” of others looking on as we suffer as a dubious benefit because, really, THEY are looking to fear less uncomfortable about our demise while WE just want the suffering to stop. When you go into that “tunnel” … ain’t no one going there with you on that journey.
    E.

  220. XXX5 August 28, 2012 at 5:42 am #

    SJM,
    Besides the illusory comfort of dying with loved ones around the bed, you almost imply that being financially better off as a bachelor is a CONJECTURE. You’re a sensible woman and you know that it’s no conjecture … marriage in the 21st century is a financial no-win for guys.
    I’m also glad that I did not procreate because I wouldn’t want my progeny to live 75% of their lives first in penury then in a post apocalyptic hell. People who are 20 now have never lived in a sane world and will die as it goes from highly neurotic to utterly murderous and psycho.
    E.

  221. Widespreadpanic7 August 28, 2012 at 7:26 am #

    There will be a huge official Muslim presence at the Democratic Convention next week. Apparently Muslims are the current favored minority and victim group, as well as a lucrative place to mine votes and garner donations for the Party. Watch those petrodollars flow in from Saudi Arabia and the Brotherhood running Egypt now, for example, not only to build Mosques all over the place, influence Congress, and fund public relations endeavors, but also to help reelect a perceived coreligionist.
    I’m curious how the Democrats will reconcile the demands of obnoxious, loud mouth media homos like Rachel Maddow and Andeson Cooper, and showbiz shills like Madonna, Cher and Lady GaGa, with Islams stated desire to live under Shariah Law in their own communities within the United States, and perhaps impose it on the rest of us. The two seem at odds with each other, but I think the Democrats are adept enough to pull it off. What do you think?
    –WSP7

  222. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    Ryan-Romney have worked the last few years to cut FEMA funds. They have cut 43% of FEMA ($1.8 Billion).
    Today Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida need BIG GOVERNMENT emergency funds for generators, first responders, etc. that are not available because of Ryan-Romney efforts. Jindal requested emergency funds yesterday and got some funding today. Big government was there, acting efficiently, but not with all the resources it should have had available, because Ryan-Romney have cut funds.
    If the small government folks had their way, Jindal would still be hoping someone in the private sector would step forward to pay for generators, first responders, etc. and he would still be waiting.
    People say they don’t like big government, until they need help. Then in a time of need, like Jindal discovered, big government is there for them (with half of what should be available since Ryan-Romney cut FEMA funds).

  223. insufferable August 28, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    Thank you for saying it like it really is. The gay agenda in this world will tear apart anything that is honest and good concerning families and the structure of society. It has gotten so out of hand that only an act of God can stop it now. Its not so much the homosexual that is wrong because like any handicapped person they have always existed. It’s only wrong when laws change to favor the lie that the gay lifestyle is normal. It is not normal it is not natural and they know it. The condoning of the Lie is what is wrong. Say the truth that everyone knows in their heart. Gays are a group of handicapped people who need be identified as such. They have more money and power in this world that enables them to use their power to lie and destroy the very fabric of goodness. God helps us all.

  224. ozone August 28, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    “I interpret JHK’s comment about gay marriage to mean that, in the scheme of things, it’s just not important.
    And I agree with that assessment. I personally don’t care one way or another if we have legalized gay marriage. There are bigger fish to fry. You know, things like collapse of the banking system, the polar ice caps melting down, that sort of stuff.” -Paraquat
    P[D]Q,
    That’s what I understood as well. It’s context as the “issue to man-up behind” for the Democratic Party was the main point.
    (Guess we’re in a distinct minority here.)
    I find it quite revealing that responses to this [non]issue are so intensely rabid. The distraction and indoctrination have become more effective than the most fevered dreams of that shitbag Bernays.

  225. ozone August 28, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    E.,
    I know mosquitoes are an irritant, and there are times we just want to swat them. To my nagging shame, I did so earlier, and now will have to endure miles and miles of scrolling by way of restitution and penance. (No agreement or consensus implied.)
    Please resist. ;o)
    On a more cogent note; here’s a good guest post on Orlov where an exasperated guy demands putting some gold on the barrel-head. The parameters are insightful and no belief in a sky-god is required, or even intimated.
    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-collapse-wager.html
    Upon which metaphorical ship are we sailing? The Titanic, or The Good Ship Lollipop?
    No fuckin’ around now; man up and place your bets (in bullion only, no paper “representations” thank you very much). After all, what’s a decade between confidants, eh?
    I’d have to agree that those betting “against” would be a poor risk; you’d never see a payout… ever. As we’ve seen, letting the good times roll means never having to store anything for the inevitable deluge. Inscribed on many a marker will be S.O.L., rather than the traditional, R.I.P.

  226. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    E,
    I looked at the PDF of the article and did several searches of different terms, that apply and did not find any evidence of the wikipedia quote:
    “Evidence is given that among college-educated couples, the percentages of divorces initiated by women is approximately 90%.”
    I printer out the 44 page paper and will look at it manually tonight.
    That sentence is the one that I questioned.

  227. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Here is the link to the PDF of the article, “These Boots are Made for Walking’: Why Most Divorce Filers are Women”
    http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/content/2/1/126.full.pdf+html

  228. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Jai,
    I am curious about this quote from your earlier post.

    get GUNNED! – when the roving Fast-&-Furious-funded gangs come up against a well-armed and organized opponent they will move on to an unprepared prey who foolishly “expects” the “fraud” gov’t to save their sorry ass.”
    What does the phrase, “Fast & Furious-funded gangs” mean?
    You think that fast and furious will fund gangs to attack you? Do you mean the movie franchise, or the government program?

  229. Buck Stud August 28, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Your embrace of everything apocalyptic reminds me of those rock band groupies slinking around the backstage pretending to like the music when in actuality they were nothing but coke whores only to eager to spread their legs for the next hit of adrenalin.
    Or in your case, the next sensationalized call for a fall by an Orlov, Stoneleigh or Ilargi.
    Keep the slow drip of collapse hooked up, the vicarious junkies depend on it.

  230. Buck Stud August 28, 2012 at 10:41 am #

    *too* for Q…

  231. ozone August 28, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    “Lollipop” it is then.
    Place your bets…

  232. rippedthunder August 28, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Hey Vlad, I didn’t here that story “just like the “ladies” of “The View” celebrating the women who cut off a man’s penis and threw it in the garbarge disposal.” Shit if that was me my wife of 30 years would be whining that the damn thing was plugged up and and if I wanted supper I better fix it pronto!

  233. ozone August 28, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    …Of course, it behooves me to recognize that your bread and butter depend on wealthy patrons. No wealthy patrons; no commissions.
    Perspective is all.
    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” -Upton Sinclair

  234. ozone August 28, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    LOL
    Sure, you’d fix it, but not before grouse-ily reminding her that you don’t throw a baseball bat into an appliance that’s designed for a string bean…
    ;o)

  235. Buck Stud August 28, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    You have obviously suffered some emotional trauma as a result of a relationship or two. My guess is that you’re a romantic, and ironically, a very devoted type of person in a relationship. I say ironic because if you were as true to classic male mythology as you profess to be, you would have had had the equivalent of a mistress or two to divide your emotional investment among competing women.
    At any rate, by pain instead of prior, innate understanding of the male/female dynamic, you seem to have arrived at that place where you do not absolutely “need” a woman.
    And that’s a good place to be

  236. MrFreeze August 28, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    My oh my, James certainly got everyone up in a tizzy with this post!
    My one cent:
    I’m not sure I entirely agree with James regarding the corrosive effects of gay anything. Certainly, there are gay issues on the national stage these days; however, last time I looked we remain an extremely violent, testosterone-laden, male dominated culture. I think James confuses the “marketing of gayness” with the actual acceptance of it. Hollywood and the Media merely package and sell homosexuality in a form that most Americans can begrudgingly digest; however, most of my homosexual friends and acquaintances bear little to no resemblance (nor do they want to) to the “product” shown on TV or in the Media. They’re actually quite unremarkable (like most of us).
    No, the “problem” we have in today’s America is the inability to tell the truth about most everything. The reason the truth is so hard to find or fathom is that we “believe” our materialism, militarism and religious absolutism makes us “exceptional” and that there are no consequences for our incredible cultural and economic myopia.

  237. dale August 28, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    I found that bit in the RNC platform about pornography leading to long term sexual disfunction in 20-30 something men, because they spent so much time in their youth jerking off to women with fabulous bodies (?!) interesting. I wonder if it’s true, I wouldn’t rule it out.
    Vlad I believe you’re an expert on this area of human behavior, what do you think?

  238. welles August 28, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    the interrobang
    i tried it on my keyboard and it’s Alt + 8253
    let’s try it out live now…(typing alt + 8253 here) result: =, nope doesn’t work in this comment space, but works in google chrome in the address bar area.
    works in .rtf file, since Microsoft supports it. apparently it depends, like wiki states, on who you serve up the keystrokes to. they either ‘know’ what it is or don’t.
    good ol’ cut and paste should work everywhere, i’d think.
    here’s a good doc on it:
    http://gamedev.alaskajohn.net/index.php/2009/02/26/interrobang?blog=5
    peace peaceniks

  239. welles August 28, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    pornography leading to long term sexual disfunction in 20-30 something men, because they spent so much time in their youth jerking off to women with fabulous bodies (?!) interesting
    this is the perfect sentence for an interrobang, in a figurative and punctuative sense.
    ?
    peace peaceniks

  240. Kyooshtik August 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    women expressing affection toward their dogs, group hugs of multiple groupings, etc.
    ============
    Oh man, this is too much! Now Asoka wants women openly doing it with dogs… and he favors group sex with multiple gropings. Fuckin Asoka is sick! ;o)

  241. Kyooshtik August 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    the interrobang
    ===========
    Holding down the Alt key and entering 8253 produced the equal sign (=) for me.

  242. rippedthunder August 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Howdy Q, I am not so sure that A is promoting beatiality, I love my dogs and they love me.I am the leader of the pack, so to speak. Actually I like them more then most people I know.Intensely loyal and they will never lie to me. Now excuse me while I head to the Donkey Show in Juárez! Just gotta grab my AK. hahahaha. Whatcha’ gonna’ see here is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  243. rippedthunder August 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Sorry , dropped the S.

  244. Kyooshtik August 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    and not bicker about with whom our neighbor sleeps
    =============
    It’s not the sleeping part that concerns us, it’s when the two guys next door are awake and doin’ the ‘ol cornholio in the bungholio that makes us go ewww! :o)
    P.S. From your pigeonhole info you sound too normal to be posting here.

  245. welles August 28, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    interrobang keystroke sequence
    if you try it in a .doc/.rtf and in google chrome, i.e. Alt + 8253, it works
    it’s hit-and-miss punctuation, some products recognize it, some don’t
    peace peaceniks

  246. dale August 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    In the world of chess annotation, (!?) denotes a move which is “speculative” while (?!) denotes a move which is “questionable”.

  247. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    I wasn’t trying to defeat you this time. I admit to being combative. And with your head in the mud liberalism, nothing else is possible with you in general. But I was in rare discussion mode in this post. Earlier Kyoo had compared the two different numbers in regards to women as a whole (percentage of women who get divorced vs the percentage of those who brought the divorce) and it might be worth doing that in regards to college women.

  248. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    Pretty close – impressive intuition. I don’t have game though. A beta in game terminology. Women love power far more than tenderness or loyalty. Late have I learned but learned I have. I wont be signing my name on any lines next to any woman’s anymore.
    The State is the third party in marriage now. Not God. And our honor and rights have been stripped in both law and popular culture – leaving us open to feminine mockery and predation. White Men most of all in terms of media mockery. If the Churches had any sense they would admit the cultural battle has been lost and regroup: be willing to marry people sans a state marriage license. But they vaulue their official position too much – far more than serving the people.
    Some women repent later in life – realize that their arrogance has lead to spinsterhood and/or divorce. Maria Von Trapp of the Trapp Family Singers, admitted in her biography that she had treated her husband like a fool and a bad servant and all he wanted to do was make her happy. She survived him by many years. Only his early death enabled them to have a real relationship of appreciation again.

  249. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Yes I’m sure losing one’s dick realy stokes the appetite.
    I woke up one morning with a desire to own a donkey. Genetic memory from the old country?

  250. Rhino August 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    I read your post. You’re confusing me with someone else.
    You say things like: But you have no problem with men being destroyed by alimony … – R
    And then: And you also believe in the meme of the Heroic Single Mother I bet… – R
    This isn’t my thinking at all.

  251. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Hereeee’s Mr Compassion! Dale you piece of crap, how the hell are ya?
    You don’t think Porn Addiction is real? Apparently it is for many men. If your compassion was real you’d feel some now. But it isn’t, and you don’t. If it became a big Democrat/Liberal issue, well that would be different. Then you would “feel”. And express. Oh my God would you ever. Isn’t that right Dale? That your experience of yourself and others is politically and socially mediated? Outer directed and not inner? Fake and not real? Superfical and not deep?

  252. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    I’m volatile. I fly off the handle. But I made some great points that started a good conversation – which you are free to join even if I was wrong about attributing these ideas to you. I might well have been. Be more specific and add to the conversation.
    Or do you want a groveling apology? A women would.

  253. Jam47 August 28, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    The peace of death? Maybe not. Hamlet:
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of.

  254. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Vlad,
    I went back and saw that I had been mistaken.

  255. charliefoxtrot August 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    first, jaysus henry kunstler (boy do i like that one!), jaefladu, just take a hint and shutthefuckUP already! near topic, any way, it occurred to me that the moron might have confused the information that pregnant rabbits can reabsorb unborn young if conditions are not right for birth- no home, no food, or what have you…and it was his generation that used rabbits to determine pregnancy in humans…i mean, having seen the question as to motivation, vis a vis making rmoney & his slime-ball ryan look less reactionary somehow- seems akin might just be dumb…as an aside on the subject of abortion, elaine supkis puts it like this: the elitist scum conservatives (my own words) are trying to control all of the vaginas in order to control labor…since the more people there are, the cheaper labor becomes…

  256. Rhino August 28, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    What is the problem between men and women? The issue boils down to this: what do women want?
    For men it’s easy. What do men want? They want to eat, sleep, shit and get laid. A gal with a pretty face and nice legs etc that can cook. Simple.
    I’ve been married uncounted years and I’m old enough that people offer me their seat on public transit. But do I know what women want? Hah! On and off these many years I thought I did and then changed my mind. I went from thinking that women want men to be strong and sure of themselves and then nope, women want men to be communicative and sensitive and then nope, women want men that are handsome and rich. And on and on.
    But judging by the female reaction to that new book 50 Shades of Grey it appears that all of the above were pretty much wrong. So what do women want? It seems that they want to be tied up.
    So now maybe I know. I wish I had known earlier.
    Ok I’m being facetious. But this question is for the ladies reading this site: what do women want?

  257. dale August 28, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    You don’t think Porn Addiction is real?
    —————
    As usual Vlad, you not only see what you think, but read what you think. I was suggesting the consequences in question were possible.

  258. dale August 28, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    …..but then I figured someone with your opinion of women would have tons of first hand knowledge.

  259. dale August 28, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    For men it’s easy. What do men want? They want to eat, sleep, shit and get laid.
    —————————-
    Perhaps, you overestimate the degree to which you resemble other men, and underestimate how much you resemble an animal. Not really trying to insult you here, after all, you identified your own priorities. Which are exactly the same as your average dog.

  260. Clouseau2 August 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

    “Sooner or later, the charm of being not quite a man and not quite a woman will seem less than compelling to those not directly preoccupied by it.”
    What does this even mean? Maybe Mr. Kunstler should stick to subjects he actually knows something about. Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of mankind, it’s not a “passing fad.” The 300 pound gay body-builders at my gym are “quite men,” and so are the gay soldiers getting blown to pieces in Afghanistan.
    Gays are an oppressed minority in this country, and only in recent decades has it even become remotely safe to state your sexuality publicly if you happen to be a homosexual. The amount of area in this country where two men can hold hands in an affectionate manner and not face the threat of extreme bodily harm can be counted in the hundreds of acres.
    So they are fighting for equal rights. And yes, they are in your face. Name ONE group of oppressed people in the history of this country who got equal rights by silently hoping for them.

  261. driften August 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    THE REPUBLICAN JESUS
    1. When Jesus returned to Capernaum after some days, it was reported that he was at his home. 2. So many gathered around that there was no longer room for them, not even in front of the door; and he was speaking the word to them. 3. Then some people came, bringing to him a paralyzed man, carried by four of them. 4. And when they could not bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, they removed the roof above him; and after having dug through it, they let down the mat on which the paralytic lay. 5. When Jesus saw this he grew angry, “Why did you wreck my roof? Do you have any idea how much that cost to install? Do you know how many tables and chairs I had to make in my carpentry shop to pay for that roof? The reeds alone cost five talents. I had them carted in from Bethany.” 6. The disciples had never seen Jesus so angry about his possessions. He continued, “This house is my life. And the roof is the best part.” The disciples fell silent. 7. “It’s bad enough that you trash my private property, now you want me to heal you?” said Jesus, “And did you not see the stone walls around this house?” “Yes,” said the man’s friends. “Are these not the stone walls common to the towns and villages of Galilee?” 8. “No,” Jesus answered. “This is a gated community. How did you get in?” The man’s friends grew silent. 9. Then Jesus turned and said to the paralytic, “Besides, can’t you take care of your own health problems? I’m sure that your family can care for you, or maybe the synagogue can help out.” 10. “No, Lord,” answered the man’s friends. “There is no one. His injuries are too severe. To whom else can we go?” 11. “Well, not me,” said Jesus. “What would happen if I provided access to free health care for everyone? That would mean that people would not only get lazy and entitled, but they would take advantage of the system. 12. Besides, look at me: I’m healthy. And you know why? Because I worked hard for my money, and took care of myself.” The paralyzed man then grew sad and he addressed Jesus. “But I did work, Lord,” said the paralytic. “Until an accident rendered me paralyzed.” “Yes,” said the man’s friends. “He worked very hard.” 13. “Well,” said Jesus, “That’s just part of life, isn’t it?” “Then what am I to do, Lord?” said the paralytic. “I don’t know. Why don’t you sell your mat?” 14. All in the crowd then grew sad. “Actually, you know what you can do?” said Jesus. “You can reimburse me for my roof. Or I’ll sue you.” And all were amazed. 15. “We have never seen anything like this,” said the crowd.
    The Very Poorly Prepared Crowd
    1. The day was drawing to a close, and the twelve apostles came to Jesus and said, “Send the crowd away, so that they may go into the surrounding villages and countryside, to lodge and get provisions; for we are here in a deserted place.” 2 But Jesus said to them, “Why not give them something to eat?” They said, “We have no more than five loaves and two fish—unless we are to go and buy food for all these people.” 3 For there were about five thousand men. And Jesus said to his disciples, “You know what? You’re right. Don’t waste your time and shekels. It would be positively immoral for you to spend any of your hard-earned money for these people. They knew full well that they were coming to a deserted place, and should have relied on themselves and brought more food. As far as I’m concerned, it’s every five thousand men for themselves.” 4. The disciples were astonished by this teaching. “But Lord,” said Thomas. “The crowd will surely go hungry.” Jesus was amazed at his hard-headedness. “That’s not my problem, Thomas. Better that their stomachs are empty than they become overly dependent on someone in authority to provide loaves and fishes for them on a regular basis. Where will it end? Will I have to feed them everyday?” “No, Lord,” said Thomas, “Just today. When they are without food. After they have eaten their fill, they will be healthy, and so better able to listen to your word and learn from you.” Jesus was grieved at Thomas’s answer. Jesus answered, “It is written: There’s no such thing as a free lunch.” So taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven, and took one loaf and one fish for himself, and gave the rest to the twelve, based on their previously agreed-upon contractual per diem. But he distributed none to the crowd, because they needed to be taught a lesson. So Jesus ate and he was satisfied. The disciples somewhat less so. “Delicious,” said Jesus. What was left over was gathered up and saved for Jesus, should he grow hungry in a few hours. The very poorly prepared crowd soon dispersed.
    The Rich and Therefore Blessed Young Man
    1. As Jesus was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to him and knelt before him, and asked, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 2. And Jesus said to him, “What have you done so far?” 3. And he said to Him, “Well I was born into a wealthy family, got into a good school in Galilee because my parents donated a few thousand talents for a building with a nice reed roof, and now I have a high-paying job in the Roman treasury managing risk.” 4. Looking at him, Jesus felt an admiration for him, and said to him, “Blessed are you! For you are not far from being independently wealthy.” And the man was happy. Then Jesus said, “But there is one thing you lack: A bigger house in a gated community in Tiberias. Buy that and you will have a treasure indeed. And make sure you get a stone countertop for the kitchen. Those are really nice.” The disciples were amazed. 5. Peter asked him, “Lord, shouldn’t he sell all his possessions and give it to the poor?” Jesus grew angry. “Get behind me, Satan! He has earned it!” Peter protested: “Lord,” he said, “Did this man not have an unjust advantage? What about those who are not born into wealthy families, or who do not have the benefit of a good education, or who, despite all their toil, live in the poorer areas of Galilee, like Nazareth, your own home town?” 6. “Well,” said Jesus, “first of all, that’s why I left Nazareth. There were too many poor people always asking me for charity. They were as numerous as the stars in the sky, and they annoyed me. Second, once people start spending again, like this rich young man, the Galilean economy will inevitably rebound, and eventually some of it will trickle down to the poor. Blessed are the patient! But giving the money away, especially if he can’t write it off, is a big fat waste.” The disciples’ amazement knew no bounds. “But Lord,” they said, “what about the passages in both the Law and the Prophets that tell us to care for widows and orphans, for the poor, for the sick, for the refugee? What about the many passages in the Scriptures about justice?” 7. “Those are just metaphors,” said Jesus. “Don’t take everything so literally.”

  262. xhalor August 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    Damn, dude. That was fuckin’ brilliant. Even better than Jonathon Livingston Seagull. I’m gonna have to steal a Gideon’s Bible (is that a sin?) from the Motel Six and look it up.
    And now, The Classics…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYCk83w_54

  263. k-dog August 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Not really trying to insult you here, after all, you identified your own priorities. Which are exactly the same as your average dog.

    The remark was not intended for me so I’ll merely growl quietly.
    I like Ross Reynolds host of ‘The Conversation’ and have talked to him on his show which frequently has a call in format. He has always seemed sensitive and intelligent and has a great show. That said like all type A men his age he could not help but come off as a bit of a buffoon when the talked to James Howard Kunstler on his show today.
    I won’t hold it against him. He is type A, hard working and optimistic like other functional young men his age. He probably has upgrading his suburban abode on his mind and may dream of a BMW in the driveway (or whatever else suits his fancy). Men like him can’t help but being thrown for a loop when Jim comes along and says ‘That American Dream you have been hawking, it’s over.’
    When JHK goes on to say that if we don’t make other living arrangements civilization will probably end young type A radio announcers know for sure Jim is an off the wall eccentric author, renowned even. That proves he is crazy.
    The tragedy and horror of it all could have easily been avoided if basic physics and science had been pushed as hard as football in school. Then most people would know that James is not crazy and that:
    Technology Cannot Replace Energy !!!!
    They are not substitutable and in fact without energy technology stops working. No smartphone APP in the world can move two tons of metal and plastic down the freeway at seventy miles an hour. Trust me, that’s way beyond the capacity of the USB cable.
    Some of the Type A radio announcers might even understand this. It does require one pause and take a breath though and those Type A dogs are panting all the time.
    Jim gave a great interview and put the message out there but the message is so far from the mainstream Zeitgeist of the contemporary doofois that I fear the message merely goes in one ear and out the other of most humans. It’s a wonder they (humans) have it together enough to feed us. As a dog I’m concerned humans continue to keep it together enough to feed us in times ahead. I like to eat and this long emergency thing could get personal.
    I wish humans would stop the entertainment and pay attention to reality and the real state of things from time to time. Is ten minutes a day too much to ask for?
    Wall Mart and Disney won’t run on solar. We need to begin making other arrangements now.
    Right Now !!
    K-Dog

  264. k-dog August 28, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Yes:

    To die to sleep,
    To sleep, perchance to Dream; Ay, there’s the rub,
    For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

  265. Buck Stud August 28, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    Perspective is all.

    Exactly right and that’s where you lack, IMO. At the same time, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but even a beast can sense the imminent earthquake. In short, I question your method of analysis and I don’t believe you know how to “see”.
    To use a metaphor, you continually gaze into the shadows of doom without ever flicking your eyes back into the light. As a result, you have no viable reference point and you miss the gradation of tone, such as the bright blue of the sky’s zenith juxtaposed against the warm green of the horizon, or the purplish cast if directly opposite the sun. In other words, the sky is not only generic “blue” but a multitude of gradated tones. Likewise, the way to asses color is to continually flick the eyes back and forth between various colors, otherwise, for example, a really high-chroma red will “gray down” the longer you stare into the color.
    You don’t flick your eyes back and forth; you obsessively stare into the dark tones of the Automatic Earth and Dmitri Orlov, etc. Case in point: when have you ever linked to the sober objectivity of Calculated Risk? Or do you avoid that site because “Stoneleigh” declared him too optimistic?
    Start looking around and I’ll start respecting your vision.

  266. xhalor August 28, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    “the sky is not only generic “blue” but a multitude of gradated tones.”
    Would that be like the gradated tones of mold that I look for on the food in the dumpsters? Most of the blues are OK but ya definitely want to avoid the greens.

  267. xhalor August 28, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Shit. I almost forgot.
    Perspective is all.

  268. rippedthunder August 28, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Yo Radu, I am really am quite fond of my dick.He brings me pleasure most days.You should enjoy yours more. The ol’ lady seems to like it too!

  269. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    So, “perspective is all” seems to be CFN’s new postmodernist meme. Could it be CFN is making the transition from modernism to postmodernism?
    Modernism says there is absolute truth. Postmodernism says we construct our own truth. Modernism says that what is important are observable facts and logic. Postmodernism says that what is important are feelings and experience. Modernism limits itself to scientific exploration while postmodernism encourages spiritual exploration. Modernism says there are absolute values while postmodernism says that it’s all relative.
    Traditional consciousness allows for us to “Love your neighbor, hate your enemy, especially if your enemy is attacking you, or even just different from you.”
    Modernism tells us to “Love your neighbor, tolerate your enemy.”
    Postmodernism goes further to “Love your neighbor and love your enemy.” In Jesus’ terms, this is progress, because there is no limit to how many people we can love.

  270. xhalor August 28, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    “So, “perspective is all” seems to be CFN’s new postmodernist meme.”
    Possibly. Are you going to make up some T-shirts or what? You might want to notify your various avatars about this.

  271. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Don’t worry about the avatars. Automatic synching is built into the matrix for simultaneously uploading of data.

  272. Meat Tornado August 28, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Fuck you, JHK, from the flyover (and fuck all of you misogynistic pigs in the comments as well)

  273. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    Male energies,
    Peak oil,
    Euro collapse,
    Ice cap melt,
    Islamic Caliphate,
    Second Amendement,
    Fiat hyperinflation,
    NASCAR, tatoos,
    Racist FEMA camps,
    Homosexual agenda,
    Second Coming of Christ,
    Transvaginal ultrasound,
    Immigration sin fin,
    Global war on terror,
    Iran, Israel, Irate,
    World War III,
    Orlov wet dream,
    Viva La Reconquista,
    In the CFN idyllic 50s:

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix…

    Male energies …
    saecula saeculorum

  274. k-dog August 28, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix…
    That makes me want to HOWL.

  275. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    Female Energies,
    Earth Mother, Goddess,
    Fruitful, fertile,
    Homeostasis, Gaia,
    Balance, equilibrium,
    Caring, compassionate,
    Helpful, helping,
    Imaginative, sensitive,
    Passionate, diligent,
    Generous, amazing,
    Good, kind, friend,
    Fun, gifted, sweet,
    Empathy, leadership,
    Fabulous female energies.
    Where we keep claiming the light, we will find ourselves becoming more and more radiant. –Henri Nouwen

  276. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Well if it ever gets cut off perhaps your donkey would like it as a desert?

  277. xhalor August 28, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    Don’t drive angry. Should be no wonder why so many want to flyover. Although, I must admit, I would be tempted to stop BRIEFLY in Topeka to pick up a Meat Tornado T-shirt for myself and a Miss Demeanor T-shirt for the next X wife.

  278. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    You are a pussy and that was a laugh riot. Note: women wont like you for thinking this way. They want the things they say they hate.

  279. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Note: Women, of all colors, do like me.

  280. Jam47 August 28, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    Psychiatry and war, a hundred years ago, in Europe.
    Many Austrian soldiers who fled the battlefields of the First World War ended up in the psychiatric department of the Vienna General Hospital. Once there, they were diagnosed as suffering from “war neuroses” and treated with electric shock.
    The head of the psychiatric department at Vienna General was one Julius Wagner-Jauregg, Austria-Hungary’s most renowned neuropsychiatrist. Wagner -Jaureg may or may not have believed that “war neuroses” was an actual mental condition rather than a made-up diagnosis–the evidence isn’t clear. But he knew very well that electroshock therapy was a bogus treatment. Why then did he administer it?
    He administered it because he was bidden by the generals of the Austrian-Hungarian army.
    Any soldier who fled the frontline’s horrors and who ended up in the clutches of Wagner-Jauregg was given a stark choice: Go back and fight or remain our prisoner here in this hospital; if you remain you’ll be forced to submit to treatment by voltage.
    As electroshock therapy was a kind of torture, some soldiers chose to return to the battlefield, an outcome which, from the point of view of Warner-Jauregg, was the desired one. Military discipline disguised as psychiatric therapy.
    In 1920, Warner-Jauregg was brought before an investigating commission. He was cleared. One of the witnesses whose testimony weighed heavily in Wagner-Jauregg’s favour was Sigmund Freud.
    These misdeeds are described in Thomas Szasz’s The Myth of Psychotherapy (1978). I finished reading it, coincidentally, a couple of weeks before the Brandon Raub story became news.
    Psychiatry and the military have had a client-patient relationship for as long as psychiatry has been around. And one has to wonder which way recent history would have run if the military machines of Europe and America had waged their various Twentieth-Century wars without relying on psychiatry as heavily as they have done. And which institution propositioned which?
    At any rate, it’s unlikely that psychiatrists would have achieved their huge influence over modern life, here in the West, and here in America especially, if the military, decade upon decade, had not increased their numbers and heightened their mystique by employing them in quantity.

  281. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    There is sorrow enough in the natural way
    From men and women to fill our day;
    And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
    Why do we always arrange for more?
    Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    –The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling

  282. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Well we do know and it’s pretty simple: they want to marry/relate up. To better themselves via their mate. Now it’s true that we’re not saints: we look for sex objects but any woman who is too easy can only be a sex object and is crossed off the list of potential mates. But we don’t seek complete fufillment via our mates. That’s kind of an impossible task and unfair to the other. But women think this way quite naturally. Women always overestimate themselves and always wonder if they could have done better.
    In a traditional context, feminine hypergamy is kept within bounds by strong social pressure. All that is gone now so we are moving toward th 80/20 situation where 80% of the women seek 20% of the men. Thus marriage will weaken and strong men will form veritable harems. A strong State will forstall this a bit but when it falters, the primitive “Strong Man” thing will come back with a vengeance. In Africa, it never went away in some areas. But note: this kind of society is not nearly as strong and prosperous as a Christian or Muslim one where most of the men are married. The strong man culture wastes alot of male potential.
    Look at poor Monica Lewinsky: a couple of times with big Bill queered her for life for being with any ordinary Joe. They are slaves of their nature – it’s up to us to guide them into harmony and prosperity for all. Leaving them to their own judgement is cruel – and they are far too cruel to lead.

  283. jaiseli August 28, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    yo, muddmike
    I accept for value your observations/remarks of mr/ms welles’ demands/statements and, last but not in the least bit, ASSUMPTIONS. May i assume then that your defense of mr/ms welles’ remarks reflect your “understanding” also?
    Okay, i’m willing to consider the possibility that “assumptions”, like opinions, could be construed to be something similiar to an asshole in that we all are “blessed” with one and hoping it continues to function normally, even on to the return “Home”.
    Especially in the “relative world”, absent absolutes, generalizations and specious assumptions often become dangerous activities, i.e. Puppet Bush’s assumption of Sadam having “WMDs”. Ooooo, afaid enough still? Now if you still refuse to accept such, i encourage to study defacto statutory/administrative court proceedings, past and, more importantly, present. Have you ever had the displeasure of conducting oral argument as a Defendant in one of such “courts” to which the “State” is the “Plaintiff / Injured Party”?
    Do you subscribe to that portion of the DOI to wit: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and
    the pursuit of Happiness.”? If so, have you already, or are you prepared, under oath, to defend those Rights, even unto death if necessary? Are you ready/willing to delegate any portion of that defense, the safety/welfare of you or your loved-ones to mr/ms welles (or his/her “agents”) and his/her “world” of generalizations and ad hominem or spurious assumptions? Before you “assume” those Rights to remain active, indefinitely, WITHOUT your diligent attention/preparedness-to-defend, I encourage to review the many comments by the so-called “Founding Fathers” and in particular, Thomas Jefferson.
    Do you subscribe to the old “gestalt” BS, “i’m okay, you’re okay, everything’s okay “or “just continue shopping” as the former Puppet Bush recommended after the invasion of Iraq? Cuz if you do, be assured that good ol’ Benny-boy will keep on “creating” more “debt/QE-to-infinity” via the private “Fraud Preserve” on which YOU have consented to be their “game” by transacting commerce with THEIR FRN’s. Are those FRN’s in your pocket debt instruments? If so, do ya think there just might be a lien attached, and by adhesion, places a lien on every documentable purchase made with them? And guess who’s the LIENHOLDER? Hint, it is NOT YOU! Brave enough to venture any scenarios when TSHF, the “Lienholder” is forced – no longer able to manipulate/control real global market forces – to “file for possession”, i.e. confiscate by fraud and/or force? What about “MF Global”? Ya think ex-Goldman-Hacks boy, Jon-the-don Corsine will ever do a perp-walk? Ever consider the magnitude of the not only current but burgeoning FUTURE claims on that “debt” in terms of real live People/”Financial Dependents” – a good portion of whom are armed to the teeth – become really desperate and pissed-off? Worse yet, do ya understand that it’s all predicated on an off-shored, now phantom “Prosperity”? Since you and mr/ms welles seemed so eager to pontificate about the relativity of the “righteous” element, perhaps he/she would be equally as eager to elaborate about his/her definition of “apocalypse”, especially in light of the fact that he/she authored the issue. Would he/she possibly consider a global economic and financial collapse with all the possible accompanying effects, including but not limited to: famine, plagues, gang/gov’t thug raids, (“world”) wars, martial law, huge FEMA camps etc – especially for the “unprepared” – to be “apocalyptic”?
    According to some of your content, you appear to be big on “labeling”: “conservative Christians . . . liberal Christians . . . Muslims” etc. Ever learn anything about “target acquisition” – acquire, verify, aim, lock-in, fire? Well, the ASABER (Aberrant, Semi-Animate, Bio-Engineered, Recombinant) virus-like, parasitical, in-bred, syphilitic, int’l gangster banker D-elites who, probably from Babylonian times, totally own/manipulate not only the whole
    “Lame-Dream-Media” with its pressitute bimbos parading their wares via the te-lie-vision; but also much of the global financial system; the
    RESident Puppet currently occupying the “white” house, Barry Soetoro/Frank Marshall Davis, Jr., AKA Busted OBummer and “Its” “legal” cover, one, Eric (the place) Holder, super-Barfly; the “just-US’s” of the superfluous court; and last but not least, the majority of the Legis-TRAITORS currently in the CONgress, happen to
    be experts at “labeling”. Ever read any of Edward Bernay’s or Jeff Gates stuff? How would you like one, Karl Rove, to “lock-on” to you?
    Fire! Toast! Next “labeled” target, pls.
    Me? I simply strive to be “a just Man” as opposed to “just a man/rotten-Roman-cult-RESident/corporate 14th-amendment-citi-zen-slave”, dummy-crat, republiCON, liberal, conservative, on-and-on ad-infintum. I try to diligently avoid “taking possession” of any unconditional/undefined, stated or assumed “mine/yours/ours” entities. In addition to “CHI” (Charity, Humility, Integrity) the GRACE, best characterized by a portion of a purported utterance to have been made during an excruciatingly painful circumstance to wit: ” . . . forgive them for they know not . . .”, suffice as possessions enough to acquire. I am NOT an animal. I am a unique,
    sentient Man – now redeemed, created in the image of AYEC (almighty, yahweh, elohim Creator) – not “god/dog” – recall what the Egyptians worshiped?, “in this world” but not “of this world” for two purposes: OBEY and SERVE as Executor/Guardian/Trustee the Estate, in Time, granted to me thru the aforementioned Grace by AYEC. I am obligated to defend/serve the Estate according to the WORD that is the LAW (those “ABSOLUTEs”) and the terms of the DOI. It
    is incumbent upon me to “serve notice” of the TRUTH to others, regardless of their affiliations (“labels”) whenever AYEC provides the opportunity.
    Therefore, “muddmike”, you have been duly noticed – with LOVE, of course. How you interpret such “notice” and choose to proceed is entirely at and ultimately to your “pleasure/displeasure”. And until to you inform/notice or demonstrate to me otherwise, i will “assume” you to also be “a just”, very special, very unique sentient Man/womb-Man, (insert whatever “labels” your foolish enough to publish here) attempting to also fulfill, “honorably and “righteously” the duties of your granted Estate, the same as Me.
    If you would you like me to record this notice to the County Recorder of your birth and/or domicile, pls return notice and I will notice you of my fee schedule.
    nuf said for the preface – rebuttal to ms/mr welles as follows:
    1) “pull the plug on the righteousness stuff, everyone thinks they’re righteous”
    a) by what authority does he/she demand that I, “pull the plug on the righteousness stuff”?
    b) by what special ability does he/she have to know that “everyone thinks they’re righteous”.
    2) “better to stay humble, knowing everyone’s subject to failings and being wrong, even when they’re sure they’re righteous and select, and try to do no harm.”
    a) “better to stay humble” “Stay”?.
    b) i “strive” for “CHI” – Charity, Humility, Integrity.
    c) does his/her statement imply that he/she, I or both of us are already “humble”?
    d) or, should “assume” that I am NOT included because he/she later infers me to be “sick”.
    e) any hypocrisy here?
    f) ” . . . and select,” – i have no idea where he/she is going with that. perhaps i’m too “sick” to comprehend.
    h) ” . . . do no harm” – since he/she was so eager to jump all over the “righteous” thing, perhaps he/she would be equally as eager to give the “harm” thing the same “relative” appreciation. in all “fairness”, of course.
    3 “stop wishing for the apocalypse, which is what you think you’d love to happen. realize how sick that is”.
    a) how does this “person” know what in the HELLo i’m “wishing, “think”, “love”, or “realize”?
    b) who and by what association did the issue of “apocalypse” enter the discourse?
    c) some of the content leads me suspect that he/she is a D-elite’s foundation-funded academic, but even that causes me to shutter at the thought that the whole formal academic community is that dumbed-down and/or totally
    owned/corrupted.
    d) perhaps a gov’t-funded troll? intelligence-level fits the profile.
    e) perhaps self-drugged or, “god” forbid, Big-Pharma SSRI prescription medicated? If so, ya might not want to be in any proximity when and if he/she ever decides to go “cold turkey”, i.e. “go postal/theater/temple”.
    4) “do a google search”
    a) perhaps he/she should follow their own suggestion, do his/her own “Google” search about not only the genesis of said but also the intent of said “operation”.
    b) i can only surmise that he/she has, “nothing to hide” and no inkling/concern about the affiliations and activities of said.
    c) odds on that he/she just loves Suckerberg’s Map/Track/Database-Book also.
    5 “one day you’ll wake up”.
    a) who’s asleep? Distracted?
    b) wake up to what, 1984?
    6) “world’s here to stay”
    a) is he/she referring to a temporal relative “world”?
    b) if so, must his/her conception of “world” and its “here to stay” apply to me?
    c) i can only assume that he/she is not alluding to a physical “world” because even the most elementary understanding of astrophysics contradicts such a proposition. In his/her relative “world” of “fantasy”, has he/she
    chosen to disregard even the basic ABSOLUTE of GRAVITY? So far the only two things I find in this “world here to stay” are death and taxes.
    d) this not only discloses this “person’s” level of ignorance/delusion but also his/her eagerness to publish it!
    in closing, a little levity, but also relevant: i cannot fail to both notice – very approvingly – and recommend reading the contribution of “myrtlemay” to this blog. if he/she happens to be of the latter persuasion then, uh – conditionally of course, (she) is welcome to “hold my reins” cuz (her) discernment rocks. Hoo-rah!
    without prejudice by: “jaiseli”
    an irascible, incorrigible and formerly reprehensible but now redeemed reprobate.
    a sentient Man, unanimous majority of ONE,
    wholly owned subsidiary of and humble servant to AYEC (almighty yahweh Elohim Creator).
    firmly “berthed” on the county soil, Pinal, in Arizona, a constituted republic, one of the united States of America.
    freely choosing to covenant with and “under stand” the supreme jurisdiction of AYEC through the appellate jurisdiction of the Redeemer.
    expressly reserving all inherent Rights and Liberties accorded per the Declaration of Independence and the Word as interpreted through the holy Spirit.

  284. rippedthunder August 28, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

    Well if it ever gets cut off perhaps your donkey would like it as a desert? Well Radu,my dicky doo isn’t that dry so I think it would be more appropriate as a dessert!

  285. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    Buy a pup and your money will buy
    Love unflinching that cannot lie–
    Perfect passion and worship fed
    By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.
    Nevertheless it is hardly fair
    To risk your heart to a dog to tear.
    –The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling

  286. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    OMG!
    Ann Romney speaking on love at the Republican Convention just said there is no limit to the number of people we can love!

  287. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    jaiseli,
    You put out a large amount of stuff there. It will take me a while to respond.
    Here are a few things that I can respond to now.
    I agree that there is a absolute righteousness, but I am still in the process of learning what it is. As a scientist, I am highly suspicious of anything I find to be “true”. Thus it is going to take me the rest of my life to learn this.
    Also, I work to stay humble, and when I lose my humility the world reminds me of my fallibility.
    As a teacher I have learned that what I mean to say is not always what I say, and what is heard almost NEVER is what I meant to communicate. Such is the human condition.
    I am a person whose education is mainly based in the physical world, thus much of what you have written is exceedingly difficult for me to understand. With the vast range of writings and subjects available, there is no longer much in the way of shared experience.
    To mention a trivial case of this, we can look back at the “old days” when there were only three TV networks. In those days the most popular shows were viewed by as many as half of the people, which gave a shared experience. Even with entertainment, there is little shared experience.
    The same would be true if I was talking about the chemical instrumentation, and laws of thermodynamics that fill my working hours. I would not expect many here or in most places to understand, or be interested in what I had to say.
    We need to work to find shared basic knowledge and ideas, and to work to bridge the gaps that now exist among people. Only by doing this will we get any real communication.
    As for wishing for the apocalypse, it is not something I look forward to seeing. The eventual result will be great, but even for those who survive, it will not be

  288. k-dog August 28, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    A monk once asked master Chao-chou, “Does a dog have Buddha-nature or no?”
    Chao-chou said, “Mu, no it does not”
    The monk says, “All living beings totally have the Buddha-nature. Why is the dog without?”
    Chao chou says, “Because it has Karmic consciousness.”
    A monk asks Chao chou, “Does the Buddha –nature exist even in a dog or not?”
    Chao chou says, “It exists.”
    The monk says, “It exists already—then why does it forcibly enter this concrete bag of skin?”
    Chao chou says “Because it knowingly commits a deliberate violation”
    ☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯☯‽
    If you meet the Buddha on the road Bite Him.

  289. k-dog August 28, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Well, roll in the king sized bed for her then!!

  290. muddmike August 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    asoka,
    I have one question about no limit of how many people one can love.
    What is the relationship between quality and quantity? Can one love 7 billion people as well as one person?
    A human life is typically less than 3 billion seconds. (96 years) Thus you would have less than 0.5 seconds to love each person.

  291. welles August 28, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    Would he/she possibly consider a global economic and financial collapse with all the possible accompanying effects, including but not limited to: famine, plagues, gang/gov’t thug raids, (“world”) wars, martial law, huge FEMA camps etc – especially for the “unprepared” – to be “apocalyptic”?
    Yes, he/she considers these to be apocalyptic, and they’re your religiously tinged delirious ideas of what’s going to happen, and you mentally revel in it. Except it’s highly likely it’s not going to happen.
    Why not? Because the elite who run things have too much fun and pleasure and power keeping things running “smoothly”, i.e. everyone fat and dumb and paying taxes and under control while thinking they’re free.
    Your script-following rant on FRNs and yahweh indicates you clearly subscribe to endtime delusions, together with grandiose notions of chest-pounding idealized american freedom.
    clearly the fed and us gov’t are shitbag organizations led by shitbag shitheads, for the most part. you can stop your rabid blustering tho’ – what, are you really worried there’s a lien attached to using dollar bills? No one’s ever come calling. yes, the dollar loses its value via this forgery of a debt-issuer known as the fed. At least you can buy gold and silver with them. How’s that for a curative?
    I used to subscribe to all this hollywoodesque eschatology, but nothing ever happened except things got better, science improved everyone’s lives, people can travel, eat, learn, be entertained ad infinitum. yep there are two sides to every coin, but on the whole things are developing positively.
    i’m not a govt troll, i hate facebook, etc., so you can put away the assertions. and i’m not making any demands, when i say ‘put away the righteousness stuff’ that simply means drop it, it’s a word laden with religious overtones, and it’s just like christianity – there’s one god and one jesus, and then there’s 20,000 different denominations for that one god and one jesus, all with their version of righteousness. the devil’s having a good laugh, since they’re all righteous.
    be calm and unaffected by emotion, if you can. hardest thing on the planet.
    peace peaceniks

  292. James Crow August 28, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    No one here seems to realize that we do not have elections in this country. The whole sordid race between pretend political parties is a charade. The direction this country is being guided towards will continue whether either of the ridiculous puppets “win”. Jim’s weekly dose of sophistry sometimes scratches the itch. But never gets close to the rash irritating the skin of this world.

  293. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 11:20 pm #

    Mike, you have made a fundamental misreading of what I wrote. I never said there is no limit to how many people one can love. Please re-read one I actually said:
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love!?

  294. asoka.. August 28, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    CORRECTION
    Please re-read ^what^ I actually said:
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love!?
    We are 7 billion!
    Thus you would have less than 0.5 seconds to love each person.
    We, collectively, 7 billion of us, have a life span of 60 to 100 years (depending where on the globe you live) in which to love many, many people. Your calculations are off by a factor of 7 billion, conservatively speaking. Most people in their lifetime are able to love more than just one person.
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love!?

  295. jarrollin August 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    JHK, isn’t there some idiomatic and/or ideological inconsistency in being concerned with peak oil and still referring to most the country as “fly over states?” I’m not sure you know which way you’re swinging, quite frankly.

  296. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    They say they do but their actions say otherwise. Very important principle: pay no attention to what they say, watch what they do.

  297. Radu Voda August 28, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    Yes women are like politicians. Remember how George Bush Sr said, “Read my lips, no new taxes.” Of course he raised the taxes. Thank God that we have a man like Grover Norquist to keep track of these liars.

  298. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    Why ignore words? Pay attention to both words and actions … and compare for consistency. You know how important consistency is in one type of logic (western).

  299. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    Jarrollin my man,
    His use of ‘fly over’ was to suggest the
    “cultural wilderness of franchise food and franchise thought” goes on unbroken from horizon to horizon in the Red States.
    I’d say he’s accurate in his assessment. Do you disagree?
    Use of ‘fly over’ also suggests that there is nothing on the ground worth seeing. If franchise food and thought is your ‘thing’ then he is wrong because if that’s your P.O.V. it is not a cultural wasteland at all.
    But I say it’s important to know which fire hydrant one has pissed on before and when they are all the same you can’t keep them straight and life just plain sucks. Tickey-tackey ain’t this dog’s thing.

  300. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 12:34 am #

    A “cultural wilderness” is an impossibility.
    Culture is defined as the shared patterns of behaviors and interactions, cognitive constructs, and affective understanding that are learned through a process of socialization. These shared patterns identify the members of a culture group while also distinguishing those of another group.
    People are socialized into their culture everywhere, including “fly over” country.

  301. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 12:40 am #

    JC,
    ‘No one here’ is taking things too far.
    This week JHK himself mentioned the Citizens United Supreme Court decision. He considers the fact that no human had balls enough and no dog barked loud enough to oppose it a tragic failure of manhood and I’d guess doghood too.
    I think most people on this blog know elections are a joke. Everywhere else, now that is another story.
    ? K-Dog
    The write in candidate.

  302. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    I think most people on this blog know elections are a joke.
    ===============
    I don’t think they are a joke. I think they are an elaborately staged play, a play in which I enjoy playing my part as “voter” … wouldn’t miss it for anything!
    It doesn’t make any difference whether or not the election play has any “meaning” … what does have “meaning”?
    It’s all lila … no need for meaning. Just enjoy the play! Dogs usually do enjoy play, for no reason at all.

  303. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    Does this sound sustainable to you?

  304. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Your fellow traveler and dog, Ellen BARKIN said she hoped Hurricane Issac kills all the Republican Delegates. Good comrade, good.
    http://nation.foxnews.com/ellen-barkin/2012/08/28/ellen-barkin-hopes-hurricane-kills-every-pro-life-xenophobic-gay-bashing-sob-rnc
    Is this the civility Obama was talking about?

  305. xhalor August 29, 2012 at 3:32 am #

    “I don’t think they are a joke….”
    Wow. Every time I start to feel bad about some of the nonsensical shit that I write here, you come up with a post like this one.

  306. XXX5 August 29, 2012 at 5:39 am #

    Meathead said:
    Fuck you, JHK, from the flyover (and fuck all of you misogynistic pigs in the comments as well)
    ***************************************************************
    Oh, no. We have another deep rhetorician on CFN. Dude … I really dig the points you made. Oh, wait a second, you didn’t make any. Tantrums that don’t attempt to lay out a line of reasoning are just sandbox turd throwings. Go to another site. There are plenty of turds being thrown already.
    E.

  307. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 5:57 am #

    Thank you, xhalor, for recognizing my line of reasoning.

  308. The Mook August 29, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    I’m down here in Tampa and I can’t find these riots the doomers were talking about. I guess America is still better than going abroad.

  309. The Mook August 29, 2012 at 8:40 am #

    Oh wait, on second thought maybe we’re just the biggest bunch of pussies ever in the history of the Earth.

  310. Southern AZ August 29, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    I remember a line read years ago, apologies for not recalling the source. It read “a boy becomes a man when a man is required.” Our society no longer requires boys to become men, Democrat or Republican. Those hard daily decisions have been sterilized out of our lives. No more looking the chicken in the eye, pulling on our big boy pants, ringing its neck, having for dinner AND reconciling that we don’t treat people like we treat a chicken. No more requirement for hard work to learn what it really takes to survive as a family or as a Nation exists in most of our daily lives.
    Not very Zen, but these are the types of building blocks in the process that gave us great men. Generally we have no need in our society to learn and build on the logic and values to make life-and-death decisions for ourselves or others. Our maturing process is more now similar to pampered domestic dogs versus wolves and coyotes who must fend for themselves.
    A hundred years ago, the baseline for the majority of American men required the ability to make those hard decisions or you or your family died. Death was a constant reminder of the survival of the fittest and the randomness of disease or drought. Today it is the exception. Food magically arrives in abundance. Even the poorest can have food, a roof and more if they go through the process to ask for it. Less than 1% of our society serves in the military — which (along with churches) were the primary source of teaching people about working as a team for a higher goal or purpose. The lack of civility in Congress has coincidentally, or at least concurrently, paralleled the decline in the number who are military veterans.
    Everything is related. As a society, the ‘main stream’ has disdained and avoided sources (institutions and individuals) of those values for several decades. The MSM has treated them with derision and viewed anyone associated with them as being too ‘downscale’ to matter. Some may be beer-drinkin NASCAR fatties with dunlap’s disease, but most are hardworking people trying to better themselves and get an education in return for their service to this country. So, here we are. If the values and behaviors of classic manhood are disdained long enough, Manhood disappears or goes underground.
    As for Akin, don’t paint all Reps with that brush. He’s just an illiterate dumbass. I can’t believe he was ever elected, but there must be a corollary to the first part of my harangue — if there’s no need to develop your brain to make a reasoned decision, any dumbass will do. No, we women don’t have some special mind-body connection that naturally blocks fertility if we don’t like the guy who just raped us. Ten minutes of reading about the human reproductive system should clear that up for most people. MR AKIN: Don’t make definitive statements on camera about stuff you know nothing about or your stupidity and ignorance will become apparent.

  311. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    A conservative, a liberal, and an independent walked into a bar.
    The bartender said: “Hi, Mitt!”

  312. welles August 29, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    Well I accidentally caught 30 seconds of the republican convention, what a sight for sore eyes and vacuous minds.
    A haberdashered wax figure stood with scripted smile beside an equally empty career ‘millionaire’s wife’ whose clothes and hair for that event probably cost more than the dolts slobbering over them make in 2 or 3 months.
    A typical american fatso, i assume one gov. christie(?), was vociferously pumping the crowd with take-back-america style urgings, and did not fail to mention ‘our children and grandchildren’. He waddled off stage attempting to maneuver his legs around his enormous butt, no doubt more interested in ordering a triple-decker domino’s pizza than in playing crowd fluffer.
    The camera then panned the assembled hoipaloi, which had on plastic hats and dime-a-dozen suits and suitpants – no doubt all made in china and macau and thailand by companies owned in part by “Mitt!”, and providing no employment to americans other than the ubiquitous $8/hour slave wage – and held up signs emblazoned with “Mitt!”.
    They roared with glee in the idea that ‘their’ candidate would change america back into…something.
    The ethereal elite who control the donkey nation likely do not even laugh at this spectre any more, they simply nod their heads and mumble ‘working as planned’. It long ago ceased to be funny to them, and simply remains a highly effective method of splitting and weakening the electorate while they steal every asset their connections and wealth give them unfair access to.
    As if these morons in the crowd expect a single man of doubtful integrity (and doubtful blood pressure) to change their lives for the better?
    The same can be said of the democratic convention, whenever that circus takes place. (btw where is kunstler’s envisaged violence at the convention?)
    What plastic, empty people the united states have become.
    peace peaceniks

  313. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    A typical american fatso, i assume one gov. christie…”
    Christie gave an angry speech boasting his accomplishments, but failing to mention New Jersey is 47th in economic development and Christie has raised property taxes by 20% or that submitting a balanced budget is required of all state governors.
    The “respect” Christie spoke of is not given, it is earned. He will get respect once he starts respecting gays, women, teachers, police, fire, etc.

  314. BeingThere August 29, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    Yeah Asoka,
    Anne Romney loves us as much as she loves the horse who broke two legs….

  315. rippedthunder August 29, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Welles, please don’t imply that Americans are plastic, empty, fat, lazy, stupid people. Interject any adjective you feel makes your point . Sure there are plenty of louts among us. But I know hundreds of people making an honest living doing a full days work. I am sure there are plenty of layabouts where you reside. It is the nature of the human spirit. Those of us that can, do, and those that can’t or are unwilling / WELL YOU KNOW.

  316. philski August 29, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    Christi was the very essence of Male Energies at the Repub Convention. Watching the Romneys during the Rant was enlightening. Scared and backed up against the wall.Having unleashed The Furies they must be having second thoughts…

  317. welles August 29, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Welles, please don’t imply that Americans are plastic, empty, fat, lazy, stupid people.
    This is precisely what the bulk of the nation has become. Precisely why america went into decline.
    Naturally there are still solid people mixed in amongst them.
    peace peaceniks

  318. Rhino August 29, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Not that my words are carved in stone but try reading what I actually wrote as opposed to what you wish I wrote.
    Here’s the part of my post you ignored:
    “Ok I’m being facetious.”

  319. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Poor Ann suffered a lot, eating tuna and noodles in a basement apartment with Mitt, before their parents gave them their first house.

  320. bgoedecke August 29, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    Mr. Kunstler – Why pick on the poor gays man? If you understand the life of Harvey Milk you can see the courage of a man – who stood up to the prevailing prejudice and he was shot and killed for it I think. Other than that, I agree with you my friend – I always enjoy your rants. B

  321. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    Christie also failed to mention that New Jersey’s unemployment rate is 9.8% compared to the national rate of 8.3%
    And while the national rate has stayed relatively flat for the past five months, the Garden State’s has risen from 9 percent in March to 9.8%
    Things are going the wrong way under Christie. Obama has brought down the unemployment from double digits from the crashed economy Obama inherited from Bush, while Christie has increased unemployment.

  322. anti soak August 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    I want to share this and while E. is one country,
    what if every country follows in its ‘foot print’?
    Geldolf rallied in 1985 to contribute millions? Billions? in aid money the African nation of Ethiopia, whose population was 25 million. 27 years ago!
    Ethiopia has a population today of over ninety million.
    Despite the ravages of time, AIDS, famine and White Privilege!!!!
    W/O the 6? or 7? Billion in aid, those peeps would starve.

  323. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    “I don’t think they are a joke….”
    Wow. Every time I start to feel bad about some of the nonsensical shit that I write here, you come up with a post like this one.
    ===============
    I don’t know how to interpret this Xhal. Are you saying that if some of your posts are nonsensical they can’t top Asoka’s for nonsensicalness? Or, are you saying you found Asoka’s post quite sensible?
    Asoka doesn’t think the elections are a joke and the entire play of which the elections are a part should just be enjoyed. By “the play” I assume he means the theatre of the conventions. I differ with this view STRONGLY.
    I go out of my way to consume as little of this theatre as I can (while still staying somewhat informed) because the sight of it literally makes me ill.
    Frank Bruni described what I so detest in his NYT op-ed yesterday… “As often as not, a convention is a communal lie, during which speakers and members of the audience project an excitement 10 times greater than what they really feel and a confidence about the candidate that they only wish they could muster. Its balloons and ginned-up fervor and manufactured swagger and more balloons.”

  324. JonathanSS August 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Very amusing read about the Rebubliclown convention. Make sure to give an equal opportunity rant regarding the Dumbocrat one.
    Wake me when it’s all over!

  325. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    Things are going the wrong way under Christie. Obama has brought down the unemployment from double digits…
    ============
    …despite having committed crimes against humanity, and besides “I like him as a person.” – Asoka.

  326. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Those of us that can, do, and those that can’t or are unwilling / WELL YOU KNOW.
    ============
    Ripped, the line above that you have used in a somewhat different context was used to denigrate academics. It went something like this:
    Those of us that can, do, and those that can’t, teach.”

  327. XXX5 August 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Q. said:
    Those of us that can, do, and those that can’t, teach.
    **************************************************************
    But you forgot the most important addendum to the axiom above which has become especially true in the new Soviet America: “Those who can’t teach become administrators.” It’s the upper management bloat in government and its agencies that are killing the system far worse than the rank-and-file workers.
    E.

  328. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Correction:
    It’s balloons…

  329. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    Further, those who can neither do, teach, or administer, become politicians.

  330. gemtap August 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Look forward to your post every Monday! Thank you for putting into words so beautifully what we are all thinking…..would you consider changing the title of your web page? I want my Mom to read your posts, but she would never with that title! :)!

  331. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    And those tha can’t teach, teach Jim.

  332. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    She raised boys who became men. What finer gift can any woman give?
    Still chasing policemen?

  333. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Not balloons but barsooms. Still a racist or when did you start putting your cat in dryer?

  334. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    In Brazil, can a single man become president – or any high office for that matter? Not in America. Every man has to be chained to a “better half” or else he’s weird and not to be trusted. Except if he’s gay that is – then it’s more than OK!

  335. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Republicans having a Party while Blacks are drowning in New Orleans? What’s that? No Blacks drowned in the Hurricans? I want my money back.
    Katrina was an inside job. Next time I want to use whoever cooked up Katrina. Get on it Soak.
    Conversation overheard in a Penthouse Office on the 80th floor in Gotham City.

  336. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Exactly. That’s why aid to Africa is a sucker’s gambit. Those Blacks will then be brought to Europe to destroy it. And then perhaps to the conquered Middle East? Blacks are a weapon.
    The plan to ship in 50 million to Europe is still in place apparently. That doesn’t include the illegals who get there on their own.

  337. philski August 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    Can’t help but wonder if last night’s Keynote speech wasn’t the coming out party for Jim’s long predicted corn pone Nazi. He’s more like a New Jersey Nazi though. The rage, the barely contained self righteous rage…The adoring masses, strobes…

  338. welles August 29, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    In Brazil, can a single man become president?
    lol we got our cues crossed. i meant a single man as in ‘one person’.
    in other news, one of brazil’s former presidents shot himself in the head a few years back, so there’s at least some sense of real self or lack thereof present, i.o.w. they appear to have a conscience, not the Stepford wife politicians who rule the U S and A people.
    btw the former president was a sheet metal worker who became union head and kept progressing, immensely likable, you can actually walk up to him and shake his hand, which is the great thing about this country, you can have a beer in a bar with high-ranking politicos such as him.
    the current president is a divorced woman of bulgarian ancestry (didn’t kunstler denigrate bulgaria???), rather likeable and with outstanding butch overtones, her industrial strength panty lines show when she turns around. but we all like her and brazil just gets better and better slowly.
    peace peaceniks

  339. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    She raised boys who became men. What finer gift can any woman give?
    Interesting that all five men, like their father, managed to avoid military service. Perhaps a finer gift would be men willing to give some kind of service to their country instead of just taking.
    I was drafted and gave two years of my life in a hospital caring for those who were maimed by war.
    I hate war.

  340. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Christie says: “It doesn’t matter how we got here…”
    In other words, from day one we have blocked everything Obama has tried to do to fix the mess Bush left him, so let’s not look back. Let’s not remember the record number of filibusters, even blocking legislation Republicans themselves wrote or sponsored… if Obama favored it.
    GOP-led filibuster blocks cyber-security bill.
    916 War on Women Bills Introduced Since the Republicans Took Over
    Republicans Block Small Business Jobs & Credit Act (a bill that connected growing small businesses to credit through community banks and offered significant tax credits to small firms that create American jobs.)
    etc.

  341. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    You don’t like Chris Christy? I would have thought you would. Is it his weight? He’s trying for Chris’s sake. But those bowls of pasta wont shut up with their cries of “eat me”.

  342. XXX5 August 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Q said:
    Further, those who can neither do, teach, or administer, become politicians.
    ***************************************************************
    Touche!! Indeed, I doubt there’s another country in the entire world that has “career politicians” who have never had a REAL job their entire lives. That would include Messrs. Obama and Bush the Lesser. Of course, the defenders of Bush the Lesser would claim he ran Harkin Energy but it would’ve died on about ten occasions without angel investors stepping in. Your axiom is an excellent addendum … to my addendum. 🙂
    E.

  343. beantown bill August 29, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    So what else is new? It’s been this way as far back as I can remember.

  344. progress4spam August 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    OK, JHK – Another week’s post.
    Thanks for your work and this forum, as always.
    And you attracted a new crowd of haters, to hate on you – because you suggest that “gay marriage” is a fringe issue that will someday disappear as an issue.
    From your usual (continuous?) perspective of “peak everything,” JHK – you are certainly 100% correct about this issue.
    We are probably seeing “peak concern about gay marriage” at the same time we are seeing “peak flamboyant in-your-face-gayness” coincident with “peak oil,” or “peak environment,” or whatever we will eventually call it through the precise lens of hindsight and history.
    None of this is to offend my many gay friends and acquaintances – online or off.
    It simply is – what it is.
    ======================
    I do think the comparisons of homosexual humans to homosexual barnyard animals and homosexual monkeys and/or whatever are not overblown.
    But these comparisons do go off in the wrong direction, IMO. Homosexual behavior can be easily observed throughout the animal kingdom.
    Why?
    Because it is of paramount importance that members of a species be attracted to their OWN species.
    Thus young bull calves (for example) are “attracted” to other young bull calves. They chase each other around the pasture and practice “gay coupling” like crazy – on cool summer mornings.
    This “gay” behavior is an evolutionarily tolerable and harmless collateral consequence of the fact that young male cows are attracted to COWS instead of rocks, trees, dogs, or humans – for ALL purposes, including the sexual purpose.
    It is noteworthy that a full grown 2000 pound bull, that has mated with a REAL female cow in heat – will NEVER revert to being “gay.”
    Bisexual maybe – but not gay.
    It takes an overwhelmingly powerful human culture to do that to a male or female animal of species homo sapiens – in my opinion.
    out of time
    more later.
    but nothing else about gay cows. hopefully.

  345. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    The unprecedented failure of American manhood has become infectious. Obama has made being a murdering pussy Ok.
    Cowards Kill Bedouin
    ☐Obama (I eat you don’t, war, tyranny, and injustice.)
    ☐Romney (I eat you don’t, war, tyranny, and injustice.)
    K-Dog (All dogs eat, give peace a chance.)
    Suits who use drones are pussies.

  346. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    None of this is to offend my many gay friends and acquaintances – online or off. It simply is – what it is.
    Yeah, we’ve probably hit peak anti-immigrants as well, and peak Southern red neck stupidity.
    None of this is to offend my anti-immigrant and red neck friends.

  347. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    I had a nap and dreamed I was in the parking lot by the Tampa Bay Times Forum on top of the old grey rambler again. It wasn’t so bad though because I was able to see this:
    Romney’s Jobs Plan
    Having the flags change was a nice touch.
    ? K-Dog [ All dogs eat !! ]

  348. k-dog August 29, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    Reclaim your manhood !! Be the change you want to see in this world.
    Enjoy the five.
    Time to Rise

    Genuine male energy will re-emerge from the shadows and that energy will re-engage the still unresolved tensions abroad in this land.

    ? K-Dog
    ❀ Reclaiming your doghood or womanhood is ok too.

  349. progress4spam August 29, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    whatever, a…
    Actually, quite the opposite, in a resource-descending future; in both cases you named just now.
    That’s why JHK’s predictions frighten you to the point that you argue and inveigh against them, week after pointless week.
    Isn’t it?

  350. San Jose Mom 51 August 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    I thought the original phrase read: “Those who can’t teach, teach P.E.”

  351. Radu Voda August 29, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    Have to agree with you. You are a Black Whitman. Perhaps you comforted the soldiers with an occasional comradely bearded kiss?
    Glad you see the value of war in terms of showing who is worthy and who isn’t.

  352. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    “Those who can’t teach become administrators.”
    Educational administrators are responsible for guaranteeing institutional effectiveness to meet accreditation requirements, without which faculty would not have a job.
    Faculty, on the other hand, want to do things their way. In the case of some faculty that means doing things the way they have always done them, all of which means the students are not receiving a quality learning environment.
    Educational administrators try to bring change to the institution, often mandated by legislators who are demanding accountability for tax dollars spent. Many faculty refuse to be held accountable, dig in their heels, and cry “Academic Freedom! You can’t make me change!”
    Again, the students are the ones affected negatively.
    Whining about educational administrators does not take into account all the factors and all the stakeholders involved in the devaluation of the American educational experience. As I say, firing administrators is not an answer if it leads to institutional loss of accreditation and loss of legislative support.
    Thank an educational administrator today for helping keep the doors open.

  353. Buck Stud August 29, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    The “respect” Christie spoke of is not given, it is earned. He will get respect once he starts respecting gays, women, teachers, police, fire, etc.

    I have to disagree. Christie will only get serious political respect on the national level when he loses weight, and I do mean a lot of weight.
    He needs a heaping plate of Gary Taubes or Mark’s Daily Apple.

  354. welles August 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    education
    Of course, education could be carried out at home to a huge degree, say 70% or more, via the internet.
    Less traffic, pollution, harrying, time lost to and fro, clothes, fights, shitfilled unhealthy food, shootings, accidents, stabbings, textbooks, administrators.
    It works well for all the savings in time, money and harrassment.
    The whole factory farming and indoctrination works well for dumbing down the bulk of kids. The internet lets you learn geometrically faster/more, and it’s free.
    The educational straightjacket system, with ever increasing salaries, ever more construction of unnecessary buildings for ever dumber kids, is an anachronysm. It’s typewriter age technology in the era of instantaneous access.
    The internet allows one to get back to individualized instruction with small groups of students. School wouldn’t be divorced from the rest of the day, it would be a year-round activity with small breaks.
    I’ve heard the US school calendar is tuned to the agricultural cycle, i.e. it was set up to allow kids to help with the all important harvest.
    No one fucking harvests any more, so why the resistance to change?
    I would almost never pay for education, I can learn 24×7 on the internet, and hook up with world renown experts – which I’ve done via email. They respond.
    Just another facet of modernization that schools get an F in utilizing.
    peace peaceniks

  355. Issho-kemmei August 29, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    “Well i’d better be….shovelling off” (insert word play punctuation mark here).
    By the way, 5 points to anyone who can place that line.
    If I’m not mistaken, it was the farewell line of Digger O’Dell, the Friendly Undertaker…

  356. welles August 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    “Well i’d better be….shovelling off.”
    One of the best radio lines ever…courtesy of Digger O’Dell, courtesy of the late great John Brown, who actually played two characters on The Life of Riley (insert immense respect & tip of the hat punctuation mark here).
    No, they don’t make ’em like they used to, do they?
    The Life of Riley=Required Listening:
    http://www.dumb.com/oldtimeradio/listen/5442/Comedy_Life_Of_Riley/Life_Of_Riley/430725_Riley_Wants_To_Build.html
    +5 points to the man with the Issho-kemmei….
    peace peaceniks

  357. muddmike August 29, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    welles,
    “I’ve heard the US school calendar is tuned to the agricultural cycle, i.e. it was set up to allow kids to help with the all important harvest.”
    “School wouldn’t be divorced from the rest of the day, it would be a year-round activity with small breaks.”
    The way things are going now, school would work better this way, but if you have been reading JHK for very long, you should realize that we may need the kids, and more adults, for farming in the foreseeable future.

  358. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm #

    Sometimes I get the feeling the denizens of CFN would be very comfortable if an American Mao came along and decided to force the pointy-headed intellectuals out of the academy and into the fields. Such is the disdain for scholarship and higher education. Forgive the omission of quote marks around education. If you go to the etymology of the word (to bring out one’s potential), it is perfectly appropriate to omit the quote marks.

  359. muddmike August 29, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    asoka,
    I am one of those pointy headed people, though I deny being an intellectual. The current condition of academia is not great. Students cram and regurgitate on tests, then promptly forget what they “learned”. Studies have shown that most students learn next to nothing in four years. There are exceptions though. Some schools actually do help their students to learn and grow. Google the first part of my screen name, + college. That is a school where students actually learn, even though Lawrence O’Donnell has never heard of it.
    Another problem of our current educational system is that it tends to generate very narrowly educated specialists. Few know anything outside of their very tiny specialty. There is a story about an award winning chemist who didn’t know about plate tectonics, and didn’t care that he was ignorant of the biggest advance in geology.

  360. muddmike August 29, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    For a view into academia, you can read C. P. Snow’s article, “Two Cultures”.
    http://classes.dma.ucla.edu/Fall07/9-1/pdfs/week1/TwoCultures.pdf
    Of the two cultures, the SMET(science, math, engineering and technology) group is the minority, so the other culture is the more powerful of the two.

  361. welles August 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    if you have been reading JHK for very long, you should realize that we may need the kids, and more adults, for farming in the foreseeable future.
    just another kunstleresque fairy tale. kunstler paints these very corny scenes of people tilling the soil behind mules in a post-oil world.
    tons of food can be grown hydroponically, in small gardens, rooftop gardens, chickens can provide meat and eggs. just look to the soviet union of yore, plus eastern europe today. if anything, the disappearance of intensive petroleum dependent agribusiness farming will be a boon to health, as folks slim down and eat organically due to necessity – just look at americans in the 1940s in films, they’re almost all naturally svelte.
    Kunstler’s cornball prognostications are almost as bad as Steven King’s stuff, although they’re more along the lines of the atrociously bad M. Night Shyamalan.
    peace peaceniks

  362. muddmike August 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    Hydroponics is NOT MAGIC. It takes a large amount of capital equipment,including growing tanks and pumps. It needs the same amount of area as traditional agriculture, unless you build up vertically. If you build vertically, you need that much more capital. Hydroponics does not make the sunlight any brighter, and sunlight is the driving force of plants. You need the fertilizer chemicals, including all of the trace nutrients normally found in soil.

  363. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    The primary inputs for growing algae are water, CO2, and sunlight. This activity would be best accomplished closer to the desert, where seasonal sunlight levels and temperatures don’t vary as much as they do further away from the equator.
    Without sacrificing any productive agricultural land algae can be grown cheaply in saltwater ponds in the desert or even more efficiently in proprietary photobioreactors (which solve a lot of the problems encountered in open ponds for a few more dollars on the initial investment).
    P.S. I read C. P. Snow’s “Two Cultures” in 1968, though it was not an article. It was a book titled, “The Two Cultures and the Scientific Revolution.”

  364. muddmike August 29, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    asoka,
    The article is a shortened updated version.
    When you grow even algae, you remove trace elements when you remove the algae. Also, a diet of algae gets old fast!
    You need closed reactors in the desert and they cost more than “a few dollars”, and need to be cleaned frequently. Also, the algae then would have to be shipped to where the people are living.
    I imagine in JHK’s new book he mentions topics such as this.
    The assumption that technology will save us so we can keep living the same way, is a deception that many people fall for.
    The Earth is finite, and we are depleting it with too many people many of whom are consuming too many resources.
    Here is the short form of the laws of thermodynamics:
    1. You can’t get ahead. (No perpetual motion)
    2. You can only break even at absolute zero. (Any change in the form of energy wastes some as low grade heat.)
    3. You can’t even break even, because you can’t reach absolute zero.
    If everyone knew these laws, a large number of scam artists would have to get honest work.

  365. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    Buck Stud, aren’t both of the diets you mention meat-based? We may not have the luxury of meat in the future due to water shortages. Adopting a vegetarian diet is one option to increase the amount of water available to grow more food.
    Animal protein-rich food consumes five to 10 times more water than a vegetarian diet. One third of the world’s arable land is used to grow crops to feed animals.

  366. San Jose Mom 51 August 29, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    Yikes,
    Yoko Ono is starting a coalition against fracking in New York State. I was under the impression her voice could shatter underground rock?
    Jen

  367. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    The assumption that technology will save us so we can keep living the same way, is a deception that many people fall for.
    This sentiment keeps surfacing on CFN. Who is it who is saying we can keep living the same way? I think most people know we are in an era of energy contraction.
    No way in hell can we continue to “keep living the same way” … we have to downsize, simply our lives, live in smaller houses, eat less meat (if any), drive less, walk more, fly less (if any), grow more of our own food (permaculture), give up dependence on fossil-fuel dependent 1,500 mile salads, embrace a more sustainable lifestyle, etc.
    Although listening to the speakers at the Republican Convention tonight, they seem to be convinced that electing Romney means we can continue the American way of life, in spite of global resource limitations. Good luck with that.
    Lordy, lordy, we sure is blessed to live in interesting times.
    We are all one, so the use of “is” above was intentional.

  368. asoka.. August 29, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    Meow.

  369. XXX5 August 29, 2012 at 10:30 pm #

    You’ve just got to read the article linked below.
    It’s David Brooks, an arch conservative, parodying
    Mitt Romney and it’s both funny and scathing. The
    essence of it is what a gigantic phony Mittens is as
    a “conservative”. Enjoy!!!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/opinion/brooks-the-real-romney.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1346169641-vX0y9cPZkyN5gxq4ctPGXg
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  371. Buck Stud August 29, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    Buck Stud, aren’t both of the diets you mention meat-based? We may not have the luxury of meat in the future due to water shortages. Adopting a vegetarian diet is one option to increase the amount of water available to grow more food.
    Animal protein-rich food consumes five to 10 times more water than a vegetarian diet. One third of the world’s arable land is used to grow crops to feed animals.

    Interesting stuff Asoka. I’m not a zealot about any particular diet, but I’m very convinced that a “primal” diet is extremely effective for losing weight. But so are other diets. In fact, I just saw Bill Clinton on the tube as was bit taken back at how thinned he looked.(I believe he is doing a very austere version of the Dean Ornish diet.)My deceased grandparents, who lived through the Great Depression were very fond of stating that an overly thin person looked “drawn” and that’s how Clinton looks to me now.
    Regarding the diet primal, on Mark’s Daily Apple they have a section where people who have lost over a hundred pounds posts pics.
    As far as Christie, if he lost a hundred pounds he would be an American superstar; even Oprah Winfrey would vote for him.

  372. Kyooshtik August 29, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    Lordy, lordy, we sure is blessed to live in interesting times.
    We are all one, so the use of “is” above was intentional.
    =========
    A richer Ebonics needs the word preceding “is” to be “sho’.

  373. Shakazulu August 29, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    “I am blessed. I love Lord Krishna.”
    What did Krishna say about the resurrection and immortality of the flesh? Was his coming prophesied of in the holy book 2000 years before his arrival?
    And we Apostles would all be lying about God–for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead.

  374. Shakazulu August 29, 2012 at 11:56 pm #

    “But that the dread of something after death,”
    Hamlet never read what Paul said:
    “Christ means everything to me in this life, and when I die I’ll have even more.”

  375. Buck Stud August 30, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    What a splendid and pristine recording by the Grateful Dead posted below. It is by far the highest quality live concert I have ever seen or heard on YouTube. At the 1:41:30 mark, waterfalls cascade from the strings of Jerry Garcia’s guitar until he recedes into a beautiful dark/light pattern before ultimately yielding to the acute fire energy of “The Rhythm Devils”. Although neither drummer, Kruetzman and Hart, quite add up to the brilliance of Rush’s Neil Pert, it’s a fine session of syncopation nonetheless.
    And at the 1:08:15 mark the Dead hit their stride in China Cat Sunflower, revving up the Vista Cruiser for one of their fabled driving-down-the- highway improvisational cruise jams.
    And this is how every man should spurn a love gone bad at the 27:00 minute mark: Sing about it joyously while moving on:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OekWK7LorMw&feature=related

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  378. ozone August 30, 2012 at 9:39 am #

    Sneaky, chickenshit, and expressly un-manly shenanigans from Turdblossom and his various Turd-toadies. Still here and still stinkin’ up the joint; right now at the GOP circus! Ain’cha proud, Ma?
    http://truth-out.org/news/item/11158-rnc-opens-with-politician-who-should-be-in-jail
    (Suuuuure, you can cast your ballot… it might not be counted, but you can still feel you’ve done your doody as a citizen. Don’t worry, just place yourselves in our caring hands and we’ll “handle” everything.)

  379. ozone August 30, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    A fun critique of the Goopers’ opening night from Charles Pierce.
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/rnc-tampa-night-one-12158408
    A slice:
    “[But] the Republican Party did something remarkable at its convention on Tuesday. It set out on an experiment to see exactly how much unmitigated hogwash the American political system can contain on a single evening. The Republican Party has set out at its 2012 convention in search of the Event Horizon of utter bullshit. It has sought to see precisely how many lies, evasions, elisions, and undigestible chunks of utter gobbledegook the political media can swallow before it finally gags twice and falls over dead, leaving the rest of America suckers all the same.”
    (Great shot of fat bastard, Christie!)

  380. welles August 30, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Although neither drummer, Kruetzman and Hart, quite add up to the brilliance of Rush’s Neil Pert, it’s a fine session of syncopation nonetheless
    For great syncopation, check out the rather extended improvisation on ELP’s ‘Take a Pebble’, after the sounds of pebbles being thrown into still water recedes. Listen closely to Carl Palmer. Priceless.
    peace peaceniks

  381. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    First Christie said he “balanced the budget” in New Jersey and last night Susana Martinez told conventioneers she inherited “the largest structural deficit in state history,” government jargon to be sure.
    Democrats in the state Legislature have pointed out that, because New Mexico law requires balanced budgets, she inherited no deficit at all, only paper, pencil and legislators with whom to build a budget.
    Indeed, state Sens. Howie Morales and Mary Jane Garcia, both Democrats from southern New Mexico, have said enormous budget cutting occurred before Martinez was ever a gubernatorial candidate. New Mexico legislators and Martinez’s predecessor, Democrat Bill Richardson, chopped spending when the economy plummeted in 2008.
    How many more Republican governors are going to claim with pride that the “balanced the budget”? … just like every other state governor does, as required by law!

  382. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Oh, and Ryan told a lot of lies last night, like when he proved Obama was an economic failure … with an anecdote about a factory that closed before Obama took office!

  383. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    asoka,
    You know that Obama went back in time and closed the plant. That is also how he produced his fake birth certificate.

  384. ozone August 30, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    From the ancient scrolls of Alexandria, filed under, “You just can’t make this shit up”, comes Mr. Pierce’s catapult salvos of flaming balls of pitch into the assembled war galleys rowed by the benched ranks of willing slaves.
    The first on the page involves ambitious psychopaths carefully attempting to put on the mask of empathy. (Charlie is neither impressed nor fooled, surprisingly.)
    http://www.esquire.com/archives/blogs/politics/by_tag/long%20reads/15;1
    Many entries for your amusement; click away…

  385. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    What did Krishna say about the resurrection and immortality of the flesh? Was his coming prophesied of in the holy book 2000 years before his arrival?
    Completely immortal, dude! No beginning, no end.
    Yes, Krishna’s coming was prophesied 2,000 years before his arrival, and Krishna himself prophesied the coming of a new age at the end of a 5,000 Kali Yuga, which coincidentally is happening this year, on Dec. 21, 2012.
    Enjoy the new age that is beginning!
    Krishna’s da’ bomb!

  386. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Obama can time travel? Holy shit! No wonder he has been able to be so effective as a liberal activist Democratic president, which is what really bugs the Republicans: not that Obama has failed, but that he has succeeded. As someone on CFN said, don’t just listen to their words, look at their actions. Obama has acted with success.
    For example, Obama promised to extend aspects of the Bush tax cuts such as child credit expansions and changes to marriage bonuses and penalties. And he did!
    Obama promised to create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes. And he did!
    Obama promised to create an international tax haven watch list of countries that do not share information returns with the United States. And he did! (signed the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act in 2010)
    Obama promised to increase minority access to capital by strengthening Small Business Administration programs that provide capital to minority-owned businesses. And he did!
    Obama promised to require economic justification for tax changes. And he did! by adopting the economic substance doctrine, a policy that states that tax changes must have significant economic justification, as a federal law.
    Obama promised to implement a “Women Owned Business” contracting program. And he did!
    Obama promised to change standards for determining broadband access. And he did!
    Obama promised to create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system. And he did!
    Obama promised to establish a credit card bill of rights. Consumer advocates say he exceeded his promise by getting the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009 passed.
    Obama promised to expand loan programs for small businesses. And he did!
    Obama promised to extend the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000 (single). And he did!
    Obama promised to extend and index the temporary fix to the Alternative Minimum Tax that was passed in 2007. And he did!
    Obama promised to close the “doughnut hole” in Medicare prescription drug plan. And he did! And millions seniors are now paying less as a result.
    Obama promised to expand the Senior Corps volunteer program. And he did!
    Obama promised to require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. And now they do!
    Obama promised to give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums. He got the law passed and it takes effect in 2014.
    Obama promised that large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of a national plan. (Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.) Obama got the health care law passed that has a complicated mechanism for ensuring that large employers contribute.
    Obama promised that children would have health insurance coverage. One more of Obama’s changes you can believe in: changes that went into effect in 2010 to allow young adults to continue on their parents policies. The law allows dependents up to age 26 to remain on plans, one year longer than Obama promised during the campaign.
    Obama promised to expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function. And he did!
    Obama promised to require health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care. And he did!
    Obama promised to establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness to provide accurate and objective information. And he did!
    Obama promised to implement and fund evidence-based interventions, such as patient navigator programs. And he did! (A patient navigator is someone specifically designated to guide patients and their families through the complexities of the health care system.)
    In non-competitive markets, Obama promised to force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care. And he did!
    Obama promised to eliminate the excessive subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans and pay them the same amount it would cost to treat the same patients under regular Medicare. And he did!
    Obama promised to expand funding—including loan repayment, adequate reimbursement, grants for training curricula, and infrastructure support to improve working conditions— to ensure a strong workforce that will champion prevention and public health activities. And he did!
    Obama promised to increase funding to expand community based preventive interventions to help Americans make better choices to improve their health. And he did!
    Obama promised to reinstate the executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years. And he did!
    Obama promised to set goals and timetables for implementing Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act. And he did!
    Obama promised to create a best practices list for private businesses in accommodating workers with disabilities. And he did!
    Obama promised to increase the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health professionals. And he did!
    Obama promised to expand Veteran Centers in rural areas so that veterans and their families can get the care they need where they live. And he did!
    Obama promised to fully fund the VA so it has all the resources it needs to serve the veterans who need it, when they need it. And he did!
    Obama promised to assure that the Veterans Administration budget is prepared as ‘must-pass’ legislation. And he did!
    Obama promised to expand the number of “centers of excellence for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), PTSD, vision impairment, prosthetics, spinal cord injury, aging, women’s health and other specialized rehabilitative care. And he did!
    Obama promised to expand proven homeless veteran housing vouchers to assist those already on the streets. And he did!
    Obama promised to appoint a special adviser to the president on violence against women to ensure that his agenda is coordinated across federal agencies and fully addresses prevention, programs, and the legal aspects of gender based violence. And he did!
    Obama promised to fully fund the Violence Against Women Act. And he did!
    Obama promised to direct military leaders to end war in Iraq. And he did! And the war in Iraq ended.

  387. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    In my previous post I listed about one tenth of the promises Obama made during his campaign which he has followed through on: change you can believe in!
    Obama has been more effective as a liberal president than FDR and Republicans are scared he will win re-election and continue making rational changes in government. Republicans do not want an activist president who proves BIG GOVERNMENT actually helps all the people.

  388. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    “And the war in Iraq ended.”
    Did it? There’s more than one way to fight a war.

  389. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    “Great shot of fat bastard, Christie!”
    Har! Fat Bastard. Get in me belly. Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

  390. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Obama removed nearly 100,000 U.S. troops from Iraq. We have closed or transferred hundreds of bases to the Iraqis. And we have moved millions of pieces of equipment out of Iraq. Obama kept his promise.
    Now, if the Iraqis want to continue fighting a war among themselves, that is their business.
    Obama gave good speech during his campaign. Turns out he acted upon his words. If you listened to Obama’s words, then you know his actions were consistent with his promise of change.
    But Obama didn’t stop there. Obama also funded a post-9/11 GI Bill that helps veterans and their families pursue the dream of a college education.
    Obama just never stops showing how BIG GOVERNMENT is in the best interest of the citizenry.

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  392. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    What about Jill? Is she gonna get thown under the bus/boat/car the way Mary Jo was?

  393. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Can you give me chapter and verse of that prophecy? Most authorities have Kali Yuga lasting far longer….
    And remember your tantrik vows to see all beings as the Deity, all sounds as the mantra, and all places as the pure land. In short, to see all things in the Mandala.
    I suggest you see Christie as Hotei the Chinese Santa Claus.

  394. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Male energies. Hunting. Fishing.
    Obama promised to expand access to places to hunt and fish. And he did!
    During the presidential campaign, Obama promised to “support the Open Fields Incentives legislation that provides incentives to farmers and ranchers who voluntarily open their land to hunting, fishing and other wildlife-related activities.”
    Open Fields is a provision inserted into the 2008 Farm Bill that passed Congress and was signed by President George W. Bush. It offers financial assistance to states that run voluntary programs to encourage private landowners to allow public access to their land. It also requires participating landowners to use best practices for fish and wildlife management.
    Obama’s fiscal year 2010 budget would fully fund the program at $50 million over three years.

  395. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    Jill will be Obama on steroids. Vote for Jill Stein!
    She’ll have more money to work with than Obama because she won’t be engaging in all the foolish militarism Obama loves.
    Male energy. Obama promised to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps. And he did!
    For the Army, the number on active duty was 565,463 as of Oct. 19, 2011, said Lt. Col. Timothy M. Beninato, an Army spokesman. That’s actually higher the goal Obama had cited.
    As for the Marines, the current number on active duty is is 202,000, said Capt. Gregory A. Wolf, a spokesman for the Marines.
    So both branches have met or exceeded the personnel goals Obama set out.

  396. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    The names Christ and Krishna come from the same Indo European root. The Hindus don’t need resurection since they believe in reincarnation. Their moral teaching are the same – as is the path to salvation.

  397. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Chapter and Verse, Vlad, just for you:
    Whenever in the passage of time, (yadaa yadaa) Faith (or dharma) is weakened or is under attack, (glaanirbhavati) – and whenever adharma spreads without control (abhyutthaanam.h) – it is then (tadaatmaanM) that I re-incarnate myself (sRRijaamyaham.h) with all my powers to restore Faith.
    Bhagavad Gita, Chapter IV, Verse 7
    Jesus Christ was an incarnation of Lord Krishna. You can follow Jesus if you want, but for my money it’s best to go to the Source: Lord Krishna.

  398. Kyooshtik August 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Obama just never stops showing how BIG GOVERNMENT is in the best interest of the citizenry.
    ===========
    Yeah BABY! From the womb to the tomb!

  399. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Ann Romeny was asked what her favorite TV show was. She said Modern Family – a show with a Gay Couple prominent. Mormonism is becoming more liberal, accepting all the things you love. Some day they will accept Gay Marriage. Why not? They caved on polygamy and the White Priesthood. A handy revelation will be coming down the pike – not to soon since the faithful have to be prepared for it. You may find yourself converting back.
    Likewise, a couple of years after Bush’s presidency, his wife revealed she was in favor of Gay Marriage. She was supposed to be a big Christian.
    We don’t know where the packaging begins or ends with any of these people.

  400. Rhino August 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    It’s not disdain for scholarship and higher education. It’s disdain for people that go through the process of acquiring academic credentials and maybe who occupy posts in centers of higher learning and who adopt a pose of great wisdom but who have nothing of the sort.
    I know people with little or no education but who have active, muscular, inquiring minds, who because of historical circumstance were unable to get the time to sit in a classroom or get time to educate themselves through the simple act of reading. They were utterly consumed by the requirements of simple survival. Those of us of a certain age may have been raised by such people. Others, who were apparently raised pampered and catered to won’t have the slightest fucking clue.
    Intelligence has many facets and is comprised of many skill sets so in many ways people with little or no education, formal or otherwise, by dint of necessity have acquired skills unimagined by the supposedly educated. And this is something that educated people fail to understand and which frustrates me no end. To me a person that hasn’t been through at least grade school is one that sits in a room illuminated by a dim light and so learns to live within that limited circle of illumination. If you intimately know such people then you’ll know what I mean. And it doesn’t mean that these folk are unintelligent. But what education is supposed to do IMO is widen that circle of light, to open one’s eyes and one’s mind such that things that were completely invisible at least acquire a dim outline.
    I’ve been through that educational process and have seen in the ensuing decades others that went through it. But it seems to me that more and more, far from being a process that opens the mind and sheds light, higher education looks to me more like a process of social indoctrination, of shutting the mind, of contracting that circle of light. When you consider the ludicrous cost of obtaining a four year degree in American universities what the process becomes is one of social stratification.
    What Asoka does in his posts is ooze disdain for people he considers his social and intellectual inferiors. He considers the American working class “brutes”. What “educated” people like him fail to comprehend is that their lives are worth shit if not for the efforts of “uneducated” brutes like the ones that grow, process and transport food many of whom have only a basic education, who may never have heard of Dostoevsky but whose labors are essential to everyone’s survival. People like Asoka may have education but this “education” seems to have utterly failed to impart wisdom.

  401. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    No Soak, I clearly asked for a reference to Kali Yuga ending in 2012. Can’t you even be honest about shastra and dharma?
    The symbol of Kali Yuga is a Black Man beating a cow. Krishna was dark blue not Black. I admit he wasn’t White like Kalkin will be or Green as Rama was.

  402. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Yeah BABY! From the womb to the tomb!
    The Constitution would not have it any other way.
    Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
    Notice it does not specify at age 27 or age 37 or age 47, etc., that BIG GOVERNMENT will stop being concerned about your welfare. It is constitutionally mandated from cradle to grave. It is what makes life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness possible.

  403. youlian8997 August 30, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

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    The 36-year-old former Spice Girls singer – who is married to soccer star David Beckham – admits she has previously experimented with giving herself a bronzed glow but has now realised it is not a good look for her.

    She said: “I don’t wear fake tan anymore. Sometimes I’ve been turned orange but that’s definitely a look from my past.

    “Being overly tanned is very ageing and, dare I say it, a bit footballer’s wife. I’m a little tanned from being in Los Angeles but I don’t use self-tan. Embrace your natural colour!”

    Though she hates fake tan, Victoria has a lot of beauty products she uses regularly and she admits one of the reasons she joined twitter was to share her tips with her fans.

    She said: “I love sharing my favourite beauty finds, I’m not one to keep beauty secrets.

    “I love Chanel, Stila and Armani. I’m obsessed with the new Burberry Lip Gloss Nos. 9 and 10. I tweeted about it – everyone has to get one.”

  404. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Fat people are often very loving – like Sir John Falstaf. You are lean and mean like Cassius. When we come to power, you skinny Yankee Bastards are gonna be rounded up and sent to camp to get fattened up. You will be force fed cream – ice cream if you are good. Also there will continual playing of Republican Speeches. Classes on Milton Friedman (not Tom) and Selma Hayek will be also be available.

  405. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    Rhino,
    Some of the best educated people I have known never went past high school. Also, I know some PhDs who are almost uneducated.
    “I’ve been through that educational process and have seen in the ensuing decades others that went through it. But it seems to me that more and more, far from being a process that opens the mind and sheds light, higher education looks to me more like a process of social indoctrination, of shutting the mind, of contracting that circle of light.”
    Higher ed. is not so much social indoctrination as credentialing. That is why so many bodies in classrooms (Many do not fit the definition of student.) approach school as a series of hoops to jump through, not as an opportunity to learn.
    I was lucky in that my parents never told me to work hard to get good grades so you can get a good job. I never even considered cramming for tests. I let students know not to use the vulgar phrase of “study for a test” in my presence.
    The social indoctrination is done by the Greek system at schools. I howard in nyc posted a link to an article about Greek hazing at Dartmouth. Unfortunately, if two people apply for the same job, the one who got drunk and puked in a building with the same Greek letters on it as the person who is hiring is the one who will get the job.

  406. San Jose Mom 51 August 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    Ask Yoko Ono. I don’t care.

  407. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    A good book about the state of schooling in the US is “The Game of School: Observations of a Long-Haul Teacher”, by Robert L. Tripp

  408. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    San Jose Mom,
    I think Vlad misread the word “fracking”. 😮

  409. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    Vlad, no need to get all up in my face.
    CHAPTER: Brahma-vaivarta Purana,
    VERSE: Texts 49 to 60.
    (spoken by Lord Krishna to Mother Ganga just before the beginning of Kali yuga (the age of quarrel and strife).
    Vlad, keep in mind that if an average lunar year equals 354.36 days, then this would be about 5270 lunar years from the time when the Kali Yuga started until 21 Dec 2012. This is the same year that the Mayans predict rebirth of our planet. It is also about 5113 solar years of 365.24 days per year, and is day number 1,867,817 into the Kali Yuga. By either solar or lunar years, we are over 5,000 years into the Kali Yuga and it is time for Lord Krishna’s prophecy to happen according to the Brahma-vaivarta Purana, Texts 49 to 60.
    Hare Krishna!

  410. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Krishna was dark blue not Black.
    Just goes to show that one man’s Black is another man’s DARK BLUE.

  411. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    Some of the best educated people I have known never went past high school. Also, I know some PhDs who are almost uneducated.
    I think this is common knowledge and almost goes without saying.
    More people than you imagine know the difference between education and intelligence. We are born intelligent. With luck it survives our education.

  412. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    Can we stop the Yoko Ono bashing?
    Some of us like Yoko Ono … and her voice.

  413. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    the difference is between schooling and education. Someone who is schooled has attended classes. Someone who is educated has learned things.
    One can be schooled without being educated, educated without being schooled, or schooled AND educated. The last case is fairly rare.

  414. Kyooshtik August 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Obama promised to immerse government deeper into your life than FDR… deeper even than Karl Marx could conceive… and he did.
    ==============
    Asoka approves the idea that we should be homogenized by government and spin through life like so many cogs in a wheel. And he encourages you to vote for Jill Stein because “she will be Obama on steroids.” What a prospect THAT is!

  415. JonathanSS August 30, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    Fat people are often very loving

    There is someone for everyone. Your new favorite show must be “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo”. You must be checking out June Thompson who has a whole lot of loving to give. A plus; she should be coming into money, what with the popularity of their show.

  416. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Caveat emptor.
    Or as they say in Spanish:
    Soldado avisado no muere en guerra.
    Male energies.

  417. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Mike,
    Nice.
    Yes, this is what I was getting at.
    I met a guy here in South America who worked at a school. I asked him if he was a teacher. He said, “No, I am an educator; for those who can understand the difference.”

  418. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Turns out THIS is who’s eating your tax dollars
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlwYnYQNv5U&feature=youtu.be
    I’m gonna change the acronym to MIPC, military industrial prison complex.

  419. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    FOX News said of Paul Ryan’s speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday:
    “an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.” — FOX News

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  421. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

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    Maybe some of you do not agree with some my stated selections. Good. You shouldn’t. You must build your own archive and do it soon. Further, you must make arrangements to pass it on. If you are storing these things on a computer, remember, this is magnetic storage. It doesn’t last forever. This is the Pearl Harbor Principle. Don’t concentrate your assets in one location.
    So what prompted this opinion? I remember when I was in grade school and was taught the Stephen Foster song “Oh, Susanna”. The lyrics had been “sanitized” for white kids in the Midwest. But, they certainly weren’t what Stephen wrote. Worse, we were never taught that for his time, Stephen was actively involved in stopping “minstrelry”.
    So things get changed over time. Just recently, the pop performer Cee-Lo Green changed the lyrics to John Lennon’s “Imagine” during a New Year’s performance in Times Square so that it was more palatable for the Christian audience. Ed Sullivan’s stage producer strongly recommended that Jim Morrison not use the word “higher” in their song “Light My Fire” (he used it anyway).
    Scenes get cut from movies and plays, speeches are routinely misquoted or analysed in a sympathetic way, people misconstrue or flat-out lie. Sometimes the speaker just doesn’t know what in the hell they’re talking about. How do I know this?
    Because Ich bin ein Berliner.
    THE CATCH OF THE DAY
    I’ve had my eye on this one for a while. The other eye was pecked out by a crow while feeding my Komodo Dragons. I must say that the BBC is being very gracious for allowing it to stay up for as long as it has. It has some tape “wow”. Probably from being transferred over from one inch video tape. This is Jackson Browne in 1978. Personally, I think that you can put him in the same category as Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger, and Bruce Springsteen. An American poet laureate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zxQD3pdI5Y
    For all of you slide guitar enthusiasts, I would like to point out that the drummer in this video, Jim Gordon, wrote the piano coda in the Derek and the Dominoes song “Layla”, where Duane Allman’s improvisational skills truly shine. That brings us to the next “Catch of the Day”
    ***EDITOR’S NOTE***
    Since I started this post, my next selection has been taken down. The Big Fuckin’ Eye. Someone actually posted the ENTIRE Allman Brothers 1971 Fillmore East concert in HD. Sounded pretty good for a Flash video. Oh well, this will have to suffice:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezPZxfS1jys
    Throughout all of this, maybe you were hoping for something more. I stick with what I know. I’ve got my unpecked eye on a Harry Belfonte record (vinyl!) at the Thrift Store. Gotta go.

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  423. ozone August 30, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    Hey now, let’s bag all these commode-clogging postings and get to the fun stuff…
    Here ya go! A screed (and helpful speech) that smacks of a cross between Kunstler and H.S. Thompson; that’s a GOOD thing. ;o)
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/romney-convention-speech-12203573
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  424. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    “…the father of the girl,000…”
    I simply must meet girl 000.

  425. San Jose Mom 51 August 30, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

    Let’s agree to disagree, Asoka.
    But one last item…What did John Lennon say when Yoko pushed him for sex? “Oh NO.”

  426. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    Isn’t Romney kind of riffing off Asoka here:
    I am all of those things. I am that I am, and I contain multitudes. And you all goddamn well know it, because… I’m Mitt Romney, bitches, and I’m all you got left.
    Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/romney-convention-speech-12203573#ixzz254S2DnTs

  427. Buck Stud August 30, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    This is Jackson Browne in 1978. Personally, I think that you can put him in the same category as Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger, and Bruce Springsteen. An American poet laureate.

    What about Neil Young? 🙂
    Nice post, XHalor

  428. Buck Stud August 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

    OK…Neil Young is a Canadian?

  429. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    Very well, SJMom. You are entitled to your opinion.
    I think Yoko Ono is artistically misunderstood.
    I don’t think she should be vilified as the catalyst for the breakup of the Beatles.
    Yoko Ono is actually an uncompromising artistic visionary who was already an avant-garde superstar before she met John Lennon.
    Today, Yoko is finally recognized as an influential artist who pushes the boundaries of art, film, music and theatre media.
    There is a renewed resurgence of interest and celebration of her work. She has recently received high media profile due to the simultaneous reissue of her music catalog (including a boxed set) on the Rykodisc specialty label as well as for the premiere of her off-Broadway theatre piece Hiroshima about Japanese families destroyed by morally-challenged whites.
    In addition to these achievements most people don’t even know about her body of 16 films made between 1964 and 1972.
    I’m giving her a break. No, actually I join in others who celebrate her creativity.

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  431. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

    From Neil’s song “Alabama”
    What are you doing Alabama?
    You got the rest of the union
    to help you along
    What’s going wrong?
    If there’s one thing that I hate, it’s explaining ourselves to a fuckin’ Cannuck.
    What do I do here?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD3bGEFxGC0

  432. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    Well, at least that atonal polar bear wrote the song of our times. Yeah, yeah, yeah…the Canadians got everything except the Stanley Cup.
    Signing off from Los Angeles, the keeper of Lord Stanley’s flame.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nO9Yfmk5Wo

  433. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

    Craig Romney, Mitt’s son, speaking in Spanish (pretty good Spanish, too), praising immigrants. Finally, a Republican who makes sense. Viva la reconquista!

  434. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    Let me translate what Craig said:
    “We don’t like you people. You cannot vote. Please leave. Self-deport already. Adios. Buena Suerte.”

  435. San Jose Mom 51 August 30, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    Oh Asoka…..the Wikipedia Wanker.

  436. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    Where’s the link or at least the quote? You are making this up. Enjoy going to Patala Loka (the waveless) after death.

  437. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    Here is a link to an interview of JHK from April 30th, before the release of his latest book.
    For someone with no formal scientific education, he shows a better understanding of science and technology than many scientists.
    http://www.disinfo.com/2012/04/too-much-magic-with-james-howard-kunstler-the-disinfocast-with-matt-staggs-episode-07/
    He even talks about running cars on algae emissions.

  438. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    The local paper says that Paul Ryan laid out what Romney sand he would accomplish. Very short on details, the only specific he mentioned was keeping spending below 20% of GDP.
    He also forgot to mention apple pie, but he did mention his mom.
    I love his ending, “Whatever your political party, let’s come together for the sake of our country. Join Mitt Romney and me. Let’s give this effort everything we have. Let’s see this through all the way. Let’s get this done. ”
    Now with job creating at 100,000+ per month we need to pull together, while when we were losing 750,000 per month he was in a meeting with 15 other Republicans pledging to not cooperate with Obama at all. That was on inauguration day.
    What a clown!

  439. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    This is just too fuckin’ weird. Not two minutes after accusing Neil Young of being an “atonal polar bear” a microburst breaks out on my block in Southern California and saturates the inside of my car. I call my friends on either adjacent blocks.
    Bone dry.
    WTF?
    Now, I would like to regard myself as a man of science. But this incident simply cannot be ignored.
    So, I will build that monument to Gordie Howe and bring it a daily offering of Labatt’s.

  440. Jam47 August 30, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    In Canada, Neil Young is revered. The band he had behind him in the seventies–Crazy Horse–did have a powerful sound. “Southern Man” was a big hit up here. The lyrics probably didn’t please everyone, but the guitar work was bracing stuff.
    What I don’t get about Neil Young is how he was able to link up with Crosby, Stills, and Nash. After all CSN was a heavyweight American band and Neil Young was a Canadian nobody.
    Someone once told me that “Southern Man” was a riposte to “Sweet Home Alabama.” Or vice versa.

  441. asoka.. August 30, 2012 at 9:11 pm #

    You have hurt my feelings. I did not use Wikipedia in my reply to you.

  442. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    “What I don’t get about Neil Young is how he was able to link up with Crosby, Stills, and Nash.”
    Buffalo Springfield.
    What I can’t figure out is how they got Graham Nash to leave the Hollies.
    Who will understand my monument to The Hollies?

  443. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    And speaking of the Hollies, if you’re just picking up a geetar for the first time. Long Cool Woman is a good place to start. It still works. Graham was gone when this was done.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Fq2SCxNP4

  444. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    No one is typing? Fine. I will press my case. I miss real pop music. The Hollies were great. Here’s another.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1KtScrqtbc
    Lyrics here
    http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_hollies/he_aint_heavy_hes_my_brother.html

  445. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    Yes, Buffalo Springfield with their one hit song about the first dog park.
    For What It’s Worth
    It goes like this:
    “There’s a man with a dog over there
    Telling me I’ve got to beware
    Got to stop and look at the ground
    Piles of doggie do are all around”
    Of course that was before the greatest American invention, the pooper scooper.
    Joe Walsh revisited this topic with “Average Ordinary Guy” after the pooper scooper
    “And every Saturday we work in the yard
    Pick up the dog do
    Hope that it’s hard”
    Here’s to you K-DOG!!

  446. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    OK. That was funny.

  447. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    See how ticky-tacky we’ve become? If you really like pop, then Burt is your God.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1F16_7lO0

  448. muddmike August 30, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    Here is Buffalo Springfield on the Smothers Brothers show.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuGcwa03SQw
    Boy their hair and clothes were so radical back then.

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  451. xhalor August 30, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Mom always liked you best!!
    Yeah, the Brothers always had great musical guests. I missed this one. It’s on the server now.
    Here’s another TV show that had great musical guests. Dig Fred.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_f16t1JGHo

  452. Shakazulu August 30, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    “Krishna’s da’ bomb!”
    To each his own, I suppose. Jesus got to me first, so I have to follow Him. He says he’s perfect, and I take Him at His word, although I wouldn’t do things His way if I were in charge. But I don’t know the names of all the stars, so I can’t talk.

  453. Shakazulu August 30, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    “The Hindus don’t need resurection since they believe in reincarnation.”
    They really should eat those cows. If my gramma was a cow, she would want me to enjoy a good hamburger. She took me to McDonald’s quite a few times when she was here.
    I don’t believe she is a cow, though. I think she is still my gramma.

  454. Dr_Snooz August 30, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    I can’t wait to vote in this election. Whom will I choose, the vulture capitalist or the war criminal? Decisions, decisions…

  455. Radu Voda August 30, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Yoko destroyed the Beetles. She’s a true freak wanna be. John Lennon’s hatred of himself and the West lead him to get involved with her.
    Her art is nihilism and her voice a scheech of chalk. Liking her is just one more indication that you bound for the lower realms after death.

  456. xhalor August 31, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    John destroyed the Beatles. IF there was an outsider that had anything to do with it, blame Harry Nilsson.

  457. Buck Stud August 31, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    Now that the goofy piece of fiction otherwise known as the RNC is over, here’s some facts that spell the end of the GOP. Hint: It’s the demographics, stupid.
    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/base-turnout-strategy-may-be-too-narrow-for-romney/

  458. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    Whom will I choose, the vulture capitalist or the war criminal? Decisions, decisions…
    Those are not the only two choices.
    You don’t have to vote for male energies.
    We have a ticket with two women (Green Party).
    Vote for Dr. Jill Stein & Cheri Honkala
    View their first video ad, “Enough!” here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaObRxkX8K4&feature=player_embedded

  459. Buck Stud August 31, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    Yikes…a fingernail on Q’s chalkboard – *are*

  460. Buck Stud August 31, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    Asoka,
    New Mexico is safe for Obama so by all means vote for Jill Stein. But why would anyone vote for Stein in a battleground state and possibly give the election to the GOP?
    I’m sorry but strategy is SACRIFICE even if Wage Laborious will not recognize that reality.

  461. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    Buck Stud, 538 is a statistically reliable source I have followed for years. Nate Silver always makes reliable prediction backed up by hard data. Looks like Obama is going to win, which means whites will freak out and go to Plan B Firearms (hint: it involves the second amendment)

  462. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    One needs to consider, as you say, whether the state where you live is a “swing state” and vote accordingly. It looks like New Mexico is strongly pro-Obama. Strategy-wise I agree with you, in the case of swing states, even though it means voting for the lesser of two evils.

  463. yizhu0191 August 31, 2012 at 12:54 am #

    Goalkeeper Neuer to abandon Schalke for Bayern (Agencies)
    Updated: 2011-06-02 09:45

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    Neuer, the Schalke captain, had repeatedly season aboard his contract barely was granted to abandon immediately. Both clubs confirmed the deal.

    Rafinha, a sometime Schalke actor arrives from Genoa. The twice transfer was a migrate to reinforce a defense that was Bayern’s powerless point this season.

    Bayern mentioned Neuer would sign a five-year contract afterward week behind returning from national crew liability plus passing a medicinal.

    “I am seeing forward with joy to the great and exciting dare by Bayern,” Neuer said in a statement. “Many national crew players aspiration instantly be my teammates among Bayern so it won’t be such a newness as me plus I’ll eligible in quickly”

    No details of the handle were given,barely German medium have warmhearted reported that Bayern’s command was worth euro18 million ($26 million), plus an estimated euro7 million ($10 million) within bonuses linked to hereafter Bayern successes.

    “We are very pleased to have signed the No an goalkeeper within Germany but also an of the altitude ‘keepers in the earth to a long-term contract,” Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge mentioned.

    Neuer, 25,helped Schalke win the German Cup plus approach the semifinals of the Champions League this season. If he had penetrated his contract amongst Schalke would get no transfer fare then season,meantime he would have chanced a free agency.

    “This decision was quite difficult for our club because we are losing an outstanding player Schalke common manager Horst Heldt mentioned.

    “Under the circumstances, this was the best decision for Schalke.”

  464. xiaosi9716 August 31, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    We can’t alarm Barcelona within final, says Ferguson (China Daily)
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    Manchester United’s Oliveira Anderson (right) scores the 1st goal during the Champions League semifinal second-leg match against Schalke 04 by Old Trafford in Manchester aboard Wednesday. [Photo/Agencies]

    Anderson scores a double as second-string Man U outclasses Schalke 04 4-1

    MANCHESTER, England – Sir Alex Ferguson said Manchester United could never afford to agitate Barcelona subsequently setting up a Champions League final showdown with the Spanish giant aboard Wednesday.

    United romped into the May 28 showpiece along Wembley subsequently overwhelming Bundesliga kit Schalke 04 4-1 by Old Trafford with a virtual reserve troop completing a crushing 6-1 aggregate victory.

    Two goals from Anderson plus an apiece from Antonio Valencia and Darron Gibson fired United into its third Champions League final among four annuals plus a rematch with the team which hammered it 2-0 among the 2009 final amid Rome.

    Barcelona’s scintillating form among recent seasons has hinted some commentators to hail Pep Guardiola’s troop as the greatest club side ever.

    But meanwhile a zealous admirer of the Catalan club, Ferguson insists his troop ambition never be overawed meantime they encounter among the final.

    “I don’t think we ought be going to Wembley defect in confidence,” Ferguson said. “I think Barcelona’s form has been quite good this season. We’re playing a fantastic troop But we can’t be scared out of our skins for of that.

    “Their form namely there for everyone to see- our job is to find a solution.”

    Nevertheless Ferguson acknowledged he had been anxious as United to avoid Barcelona throughout this season’s Champions League and revealed he would have been cheerful to be playing again club surrounded the final.

    “I wish it was Brechin City alternatively somebody like that to be honest with you,” he joked. “No disrespect to Brechin City – I love that wee club.

    “But I think by the start of the season you say ‘Stay explicit of Barcelona’. Because their form namely there for everyone to discern.

    “We’ve done our job well quickly that our away form has been terrific. We’ve found a good-looking access of playing away from home Wembley’s never an away game, it’s a independent floor But I think we’ll be quite well arranged”

    Ferguson likewise declined invitations to characterize the final as an opportunity for his players to avenge their defeat among Rome two years ago when they were comprehensively outplayed forward Guardiola’s pass masters.

    “Revenge doesn’t come into it,” Ferguson said. “What does come into it namely that this is repeatedly opportunity as Manchester United to win a European trophy.

    “I’ve always said that other clubs have done better than us,plus we ought have done better surrounded Europe.

    “You must admire the access Barcelona play they activity with great manner they’ve got fantastic players. But we’ve got a job to do and we’ll find a solution.”

    Ferguson also said he would seek advice from Real Madrid consultant Jose Mourinho as he offers to contrive Barca’s downfall.

    “I speak to him quite a lot and I spoke to him last week. Real Madrid are a alter team from us. I think we’ll rely on our own knowledge of Barcelona – it’s not as whether we’ve never seen them forward Ferguson said.

    “But the experience that Real Madrid have and from Jose’s angle – you always take information from that as he’s very lucrative that access”

    Ferguson steered explicit of empathizing with Mourinho’s suggestions that Barcelona was beneficiary of a sinister conspiracy to nail European competitions within its favor.

    “At this moment in season I don’t think that’s an issue with us. I think a final along Wembley should characterize the qualities and histories plus traditions of both clubs he said.

    “It’s a vary set of conditions among Real Madrid and Barcelona for of the tribalism of either clubs among Spain. They’ve always been the two biggest unions within Spain and accordingly the emulation namely intense.

    “Many things happened amid both games of the semifinal that you mention to yourself ‘Well I hope that doesn’t happen along Wembley’. But we think it should be a good final.”

    Associated Press

     

  465. Buck Stud August 31, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    Asoka,
    What I also find interesting is the age breakdown. Elderly whites are a majority of GOP backers, while younger whites not so much. As the old die out,it looks to me as if the GOP does too.
    The elephant soon to be mastodon is going to be gone, gone, gone.

  466. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    Shakazulu, Krishna is a dark blue skinned, flute playing, dancing God, with 16,108 wives (he had lots of male energy), and innumerable consorts (Lakshmis, His queens, and the milkmaids of Vraja called the gopis). Krishna was also a master of disguises and I have no doubt you are also Krishna. How Krishna loves his lila manifestations! Lord Krishna is the Supreme Lord, who is the Indweller of our hearts, who is Existence Absolute, Knowledge Absolute, Bliss Absolute, who is the Soul of this universe, who bestows Immortality on His devotees, who is the source for everything and who took a human form for the benefit of the gods and His devotees.
    If all this seems weird and foreign and unbelievable to you, then I recommend you stick with Jesus.
    Jesus had dark skin, did not have 16,108 wives (couldn’t even manage one), did not dance, did not play the flute, and wasn’t into lila (divine game playing) or disguising himself.
    Jesus wept. (John 11:35) Jesus doesn’t even know the names of all the stars and his biggest trick was managing a victory over death through a physical resurrection (in an ugly way, nailed to a cross). All that suffering just for a physical resurrection, that’s it? Big deal. Kind of boring in my opinion.
    But as you say, to each his own.

  467. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 1:29 am #

    Yes, the demographic that Republicans appeal to is very narrow. At their convention they went out of their way to present minorities, to speak in Spanish (even though they say they want English to be the “official” language), and try to convince women to vote for them with the images of families they presented.
    But when the cameras panned the delegations on the floor, they were overwhelmingly white. And the white demographic is shrinking and will soon be a minority. Buh bye, GOP.

  468. asoka.. August 31, 2012 at 1:33 am #

    CORRECTION
    All that suffering just for a physical resurrection? That’s it? Big fucking deal. Very boring in my opinion. Jesus is a one-trick pony compared to Krishna.

  469. Shakazulu August 31, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    “Jesus doesn’t even know the names of all the stars”
    He calls every star by name.
    He knows the number of hairs on our head.
    He knows when every sparrow falls to the ground.
    He sees every thought of every man.
    He feels every pain we feel.
    He sends rain on some and not on another.
    And there is no one else as powerful as Him.
    If there were any other God then He lied. And God cannot lie.
    I don’t know anything about Krishna, but I think he must be a pretender.

  470. xhalor August 31, 2012 at 2:02 am #

    Abortion and Civil Unions. It’s bad enough that they want me to believe in Voo-Doo Economics.
    Now, they want me to believe in their cartoon, misogynist god.

  471. xhalor August 31, 2012 at 3:19 am #

    All right, Asoka. Before you start doggin’ me out about my white boy sensibilities, here’s some popular music from the “Other” category.
    Not really.
    A major recording act. A great song. Beautiful singing, expert arranging, and what a band.
    We were on our way to space.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC9yD8YqXYI
    I can’t decide who is my favorite American popular musical performer. For me, it comes down to Jackie Wilson or Ray Charles. Sometimes Jimmy Durante has quite an effect on me.
    And then there’s Charo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9tEb3Dl2c

  472. Radu Voda August 31, 2012 at 4:03 am #

    Quite true Buck. By allowing massive immigration, they sold themselves out (and all Whites) for short term economic gain. They are pointless now and their effort to court Hispanics, desperate and pathetic.
    Good report on the massive corruption at the Convention. They didn’t even want to say Ron Paul’s name or how many delegates he had. Complete disrespect. Oh the love of appearances – it can only go so far. And in going to the extreme, they create more and more of the very fractures they’re trying to hide.
    http://vault-co.blogspot.com/

  473. Radu Voda August 31, 2012 at 4:06 am #

    He is the Christ of India as Christ is the Krishna of Israel.
    Of course, Christ really existed and Krishna is mostly legendary. Think of Him as a prefigurement of the reality to come – like Osiris, Mithras, Balder, Attis, etc.

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