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     The past two months I’ve taken in all but the final few episodes of Breaking Bad, America’s loathe letter to itself. What a metaphor for a nation’s transition from an ethos of earnest effort to a mood of criminal buffoonery. For you who haven’t tuned in to this cultural artifact, Breaking Bad is a cable TV series about a bland high school chemistry teacher, Walter White, who, facing an expensive battle with lung cancer, decides to get into the lucrative business of cooking methamphetamine, the most atrocious recreational drug there is. The series follows his misadventures in the trade.

     The really remarkable thing about the series is that the most interesting theme in the long-running story remains completely undeveloped — at least so far to within a few installments of the end. That is, Walter’s existential predicament as a hostage to America’s medical racketeering matrix. For many families like Walter White’s, a cancer diagnosis is tantamount to a parallel judgment of financial ruin.

      Like everybody else in America these days, poor Walter just submits to his fleecing. In fact, the blandest moments in the long-running melodrama are the scenes when Walter forks over his massive payments to a grandmotherly-type lady at the hospital billing desk. She’s as sweet as pie, though she also seems rather sweetly surprised that he is actually able to pay his bill. He pays for his treatments, of course, with the income derived from his meth cooking venture. His doctors are portrayed as demigods. There is zero discussion by them of A) the cost of his cancer treatments, and B) the legitimacy of the costs. That’s not their department. He just has to come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

            Which he does, simply by discarding his persona as an earnest schoolteacher and entering the ranks of illicit drugdom. Of course, the series is mostly concerned with the twists, turns, and torments of that transition, and the metaphors in that are also rich as to what America has lately become. For instance, Walter’s success as a criminal stems from his technological skills. He is the meth cooker supremo because his formula is the best, his lab practices are the most exacting, his standards are the highest! Walter White is the Steve Jobs of meth. He puts out the best product and won’t settle for less than perfection.

     This jibes nicely with America’s current mood of techno-rhapsodic psychosis, in particular our tendency to ignore all the diminishing returns and blowback from our techno-grandiose endeavors — which range from the magic of shale-oil fracking to the romance of “green” skyscrapers, to high-frequency front-running in the stock markets, to the recruitment of every teenager in America into an obsessive-compulsive cell-phone culture. It’s all good. Walter White’s “ace-in-the-hole” is his science training.

     Another winning metaphor is the supernatural amount of cash-money on display in almost every episode once Walter gets rolling in the meth trade, duffle-bags full of exquisite, freshly packed-and-stacked banknotes, so much that tossing a quarter-million here, a quarter million there loses its meaning. The stuff is tossed around like junk mail. This is not inadvertent, of course. It depicts nicely the disintegration of America’s value system: money is everything and nothing. Walter quickly joins the “one percent” earnings-wise. It hardly makes him a better person. His money-making operations are as disgusting as the “innovation” of new swindles among the Too-Big-To-Jail bankers. By mid-way through the series, Walter even has enough petty cash on hand to pay for his brother-in-law’s hospital and rehab bills, after the BOL is shot up by Mexican drug gangsters. The fantastic cost of all that is also ignored.

     An additional metaphor is found in Walter’s “employer,” the super-polite neatnik Gustavo Fring, who rules the Albuquerque-based drug empire via a false-front fast-food chain of chicken eateries. Fring is the fantasy of every businessman’s ideal self-image: meticulous, careful, fair,  — until Walter White’s buffoonery shoves him over the edge and Gus, too, breaks bad, so to speak, in his own fussy way. And business itself is depicted as the highest-and-best expression of human culture, just as it has been since the reign of Ronald Reagan.

     Finally, there is the matter of what the fruits of Walter White’s techno-savy work does to the “consumer” public who buy his product. It turns them into zombies. It’s also almost too obvious to state that the popularity of zombies in American culture has exactly paralleled the financialization of the American economy. That half the action of Breaking Bad takes place in and around automobiles — in the parking-lot wasteland of Albuquerque — is just the cherry on the metaphorical cake. This is who we are.

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445 Responses to “Like Your Hair’s On Fire”

  1. sooty January 27, 2014 at 9:47 am #

    I’ve often thought that the popularity of zombie/apocalyptic entertainment among the young reflects their vague understanding that we’re screwed. They might not know exactly how or why, but when your parents are underemployed and your own future is as a cube rat in a meaningless, if not toxic, enterprise, eating brains looks like a job.

    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 10:54 am #

      If we had a national health care system like civilized modern countries do Walter would never had broken bad. If we had jobs of value in a society not founded on screw your neighbour it’s every man for himself. Then eating brains or cooking meth would not look like real jobs.

      • CancelMyCard January 27, 2014 at 12:17 pm #

        The US cannot have a national health care system AND support a military budget that is greater than that of the next 13 largest nations combined (and that includes Russia and China).

        The US military-industrial complex is the largest singular nexus of wealth and power that dwarfs any other entity on the planet. Not only will it not cede any diminishing of that power, it will continue to absorb an increasing percentage of the planet’s resources on into the future.

        The American oligarchy has no need for a comprehensive national health care system for our citizens, especially if it has the potential to affect in any way the ongoing engorgement of the MIC.

        • chipshot January 28, 2014 at 8:19 am #

          Believe your comments are on the money…

          Why is there not more outrage about our military spending??!

      • Looongerbeard January 27, 2014 at 9:27 pm #

        It’s Fiction! Makes no sense to equate it to the real world!

        • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 8:27 am #

          Perhaps the way to avoid the guv-mint vamps and zombies is to avoid the end of the weekly comments march as much as possible attempting to carry on the exchanges here at the beginning. But to do that responses must be appropriate to the thread started or more trolldom will be result as they drag their inappropriate asses up here too.

          So It’s Fiction! Makes no sense to equate it to the real world!

          This is a ridiculous statement. People ignore reality and the only way to get through to them is to fictionalize reality. People relate to stories and fiction is societies way to dream. And dreaming through fiction is necessary for the health of the public body. Through fiction we explore the fundamental relationships of the social connections which bind us all and without fiction we can’t see the forest through the trees.

          Without a fiction and a bit of exaggeration we can’t get at root causes because a root requires a bit of chewing to be digested. Breaking Bad reflects or world. Walt as Heisenberg exemplifies the collapse of society. The meth cooking business is all about money and corrupt. There is a lesson there. Walt joins the 1% club and looses himself. Walt becomes Heisenberg and looses his mind as he embraces the plutocratic nightmare. The ugly truth about our collapsing world is that we need fiction to exaggerate our dilemma and make it known. Without fiction and parody the ugly truth of life can thump us on the head but we can’t see it for what it is.


          Here we are, still having this problem in the early days of 2014, after years of clues about the problems happening clubbing us over the head. As all the dysfunction of greed and mismanagement stacks up, all that anybody really needs to do is spend some time looking around beyond their immediate day to day circumstances, or for many people, simply look around at their own day to day circumstances, and observe the United States increasingly turning into a plutocratic banana republic, with more and more of the wealth of the nation plundered and hoarded, while more and more falls apart and malfunctions.

          Walt’s world was a dysfunction of greed and mismanagement like ours is. Perhaps to see Walt as Heisenberg is to see ourselves.

          • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 8:30 am #

            Breaking Bad reflects our world.

          • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 8:45 am #

            To be or not to be!

            or more trolldom will be result as they drag their inappropriate asses up here.

            This is a case of it would have been better not to be.

            or more trolldom will result as they drag their inappropriate asses up here.

          • Farmer McGregor January 28, 2014 at 11:51 pm #


            Got a few more for your list of self-corrections:

            “…fiction is societies way to dream…” should use “society’s”.

            “…all about money and corrupt.” Perhaps “corruption”?

            “…Heisenberg and looses his mind…” should use “loses”.

            Sorry, not trying to go all Q on you. Slow down a little and re-read your post BEFORE you submit it. I do want to say that I really appreciate your comments and point of view. You are one of the most sensible voices in this sometimes pathetic melee of blog lurkers. Please Keep Barking!

            To Mr. Kunstler: another, as usual, spot-on observation of our increasingly sick-minded culture. I had Breaking Bad recommended to me, but could not stand more than the first few episodes — not just its dark nature, but that it really makes obvious the psychological malaise of modern industrial society.

            Thanks for all the effort you put into this weekly treat (and treatise!).

          • K-Dog January 30, 2014 at 1:14 am #

            Farmer McGregor, Points taken, with the exception of corruption in place of corrupt for reason of temporal ambiguity. I do try. Sometimes that submit button has a mind of its own. And thank you for the complement.

  2. Petro January 27, 2014 at 9:48 am #

    I found this series almost addictive (no pun intended). Maybe it’s because I haven’t owned a TV since 1982 (I see it on Netflix). But I thought it was really good storytelling, with lots of irony, twists, and absurdity. One thing, though, which Jim mentions at the end of his essay, is that the series rarely showed the human ramifications of the consumers of Walter’s product. It shows his own descent into madness quite well, and what it does to those closest to him, but not much of the meth heads who build his fortune.

    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 10:40 am #

      But isn’t that true of most people? Not all certainly, but most everyone dances for pay checks without regard of any havoc their actions unleash upon the world. We live in a mad world where being normal is to be mad. Walter in that regard was being quite normal.

      • GetAbike January 27, 2014 at 1:31 pm #

        “…most everyone dances for pay checks without regard of any havoc their actions unleash upon the world.”

        Your point is well taken.
        And there is a limit to how far we can -or should- go to rationalize our behavior, career, carbon footprint, etc.
        In the recent movie Elysium (highly recommended) the hero was one of only a few who had a job in his community. One of the only jobs left in this future world is building robots for law enforcement.
        We been working towards our own demise for a long time now- some of us directly.
        I work for a company that sends some of its equipment to the “tar sands”.
        Some of us have worked in the defense industry, energy, mining, wood products, agri-biz, etc, and, “…without regard of any havoc our actions unleash upon the world.”

        • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 9:14 am #

          Elysium was Breaking Bad taken to the sky.

          Loved the centrifugal space station. For me that made the movie even if it was not really big enough to maintain an atmosphere.

          The special effects were great but I found they were used to patch the flaws in the plot overmuch. Deus ex machina at its worst. Mostly it was an action movie with glimmers of what could have been much more. One saving grace is the depiction of the polarization of the world into extremely aristocratic multilingual 1% assholes and everyone else without pots to piss in. Our globe is going in that direction. That more than anything else will be our fall. Elysium makes that future clear. There is no equality or middle class in the Elysium future. Only a nightmare for mankind.

          The movie would have done well to cultivate the reason that there were no magical life restoring medical pods on earth is because earth has no population control. They missed a golden opportunity by not developing the nun flashback theme into an underground movement headed by the Catholic Church where nuns were radical activist birth control advocates committed to restoring prosperity to all of mankind.

          To do that they would have had to tune down the gratuitous violence and action but would have wound up with a perfect movie.

  3. Karah January 27, 2014 at 9:51 am #

    …and his son has cerebral palsy…
    and his sister-in-law suffers from kleptomania…
    and his wife is a financial expert who has to choose between pink, white or blue collar crime…
    and the show shines a harsh light on what it means to be a leader, man and FATHER<<<the most touching out of it ALL…
    biggest pun for the whole show is the CHEMISTRY between the actors.

    • Karah January 27, 2014 at 9:54 am #

      This topic ties in nicely to last weeks because Walter White turns into a warrior.

    • SteveO January 27, 2014 at 10:38 am #

      His brother in law is a DEA agent who got him into it (making meth) by letting him take a “ride along”.

      I never made it past the first season, but the ironies were delicious.

    • Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 11:42 am #

      “and his sister-in-law suffers from kleptomania…” – Karah

      I love the way every human fault and failing has been turned into a disease for which the individual cannot be held responsible.

      Like my grandfather who in his day was a “drunk” but today would suffer from “substance abuse” because labels can hurt.

      • GeorgeJarkko January 27, 2014 at 1:34 pm #

        I’d still say he SUFFERED from substance abuse, since you’re still talking about it, to strangers, no less.

        • draupnir January 27, 2014 at 2:02 pm #

          Yes, such things used to be kept secret so only the immediate family knew the pain and the shame. The drunk and all his works, his abuses and perversions, was protected by the shell of normalcy presented to the world. His victims suffered in helpless silence..

        • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 9:40 am #

          That’s good, we know nothing about him but that he SUFFERED is beyond doubt.

  4. Smoky Joe January 27, 2014 at 9:52 am #

    “Walter White is the Steve Jobs of meth.”

    Classic JHK and a sadly true line, as we are now a nation of scam-artists and swindlers. Jobs was not an inventor, after all (though I love the sleek Apple hardware). Woz made the hardware early on and got the boot later. Jobs was a marketer, which is to say, a very sleek con-man.

    Now that our politics are governed by what I’ve heard called “legalized corruption” after The Citizens United ruling, why not go into crime? It sure as hell pays in the crumbling US of A.

    • Karah January 27, 2014 at 10:17 am #

      That’s another point…

      our justice system is supposed to draw the line between what is criminal and what is civil. Our public school systems act as petri dishes when it comes to how we deal with SOCIAL PROBLEMS that may lead to criminal behavior. The students exhibit their tendencies to hurt themselves or others over 12 years of heavy social interaction. Many people abuse drugs and alcohol. Should we criminalize a social problem that needs to be treated by doctors and psychologists?
      Should we criminalize getting obscenely rich?
      Should we criminalize homosexuality?
      Should we criminalize abortion?
      Should we criminalize mental disorders?

      Nobody is forcing people to participate in the political corruption and it’s not a requirement to live and prosper in this country.

      • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 9:42 am #

        Should we criminalize getting obscenely rich?

        Yes, we should. They should be required to pay taxes.

        • Karah January 29, 2014 at 9:49 pm #

          They pay sales taxes.

    • orbit7er January 27, 2014 at 10:49 am #

      Does crime pay in the USA? Perhaps we should ask Jamie Dimon who was granted a 74% pay raise after JPMorgan Chase had to pay
      a record $20 Billion in fines for various scams of all sorts.
      Well, actually, incredibly enough, we taxpayers as usual are paying
      part of the fines as they are considered “tax deductible”!
      Make sure to add up all those parking tickets last year to deduct off your own income taxes! lol!
      If you rob big enough then you are immune from the law.
      Or if you are a big enough Billionaire such as Stephen Cohen who somehow has so far escaped any indictments or charges for insider trading even as the top traders in his Hedge Fund are under investigation…

      • Panic January 27, 2014 at 4:40 pm #

        Steve Cohen is worth [10?] billion….easy to buy influence at that level of wealth.

  5. Neon Vincent January 27, 2014 at 9:55 am #

    You aren’t the only one to point out the unsustainable nature of modern American health care. The Archdruid did as well in his essay about “Seven Sustainable Technologies.” Here’s what he had to say about it.

    “Health care as it’s practiced in the world’s industrial nations is hopelessly unsustainable, dependent as it is on concentrated energy and resource inputs and planetwide supply chains. As industrial society disintegrates, current methods of health care will have to be replaced by methods that require much less energy and other resources, and can be put to use by family members and local practitioners. Plenty of work will have to go into identifying practices that belong in this suite, since the entire field is a minefield of conflicting claims issuing from the mainstream medical industry as well as alternative health care; the sooner the winnowing gets under way, the better.”

    Note that he didn’t even get into the financial racket part of the enterprise in his essay, although he noted in comments that anyone trying to institute a sustainable alternative now would get into legal hot water very quickly; the AMA guards its monopoly jealously.

    I told him that “Health care isn’t on the agenda this week, but I know the topic will come up repeatedly during the semester, as the sustainability issues are becoming very apparent.” However, I spent most of my time with him talking about slide rules. Yes, really.


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    • Neon Vincent January 27, 2014 at 10:10 am #

      As for your point that criminality is part of “who we are,” it’s not just in television. It shows up in our movies, too. When I looked over the list of nominees for the Golden Globes, I saw that a lot of them had to do with crime and its consequences. Most of those same movies ended up nominated for the Academy Awards. Not only is it “who we are,” the entertainment industry insiders think its good art, too.


    • lsjogren January 27, 2014 at 10:19 am #

      I agree that modern health care is not a sustainable technology. Its successor, however, will not be some sort of low-carbon but still efficacious health care system, it will be a devolution to ineffective and superstition-based medicine. One occupation that may have a good future: Leech breeder.

  6. db1951 January 27, 2014 at 9:57 am #

    I really need to take a closer look at our local high school Chemistry teacher. I think I saw him driving a new Land Rover this weekend.

    Obviously his teaching methods need some honing, as we have at least two meth house explosions a week here in our town of 5K. Of course, you have to realize it’s hard to concentrate on cooking a batch with two or three children running around the house.

    After the last KA-BOOM…the Baby Daddy…(aka live in sperm donor) received probation and his partner ended up in a rehab facility with brain damage from the explosion, tab picked up by taxpayers.

    And the munchkins are now in custody of their Grandparents. The same environment that produced their daughter. That should end well.

  7. sevenmmm January 27, 2014 at 10:13 am #

    Well, that is probably a fitting metaphor. I would add the drug trade has always been financialized as well. When the fed pops, there will be real weeping and knashing of teeth in withdrawal. Maybe the druggies more so… But hey, us straight (straight fits better than normal) people will be able to recognize and avoid them by looking for their tatoos!

    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 11:06 am #

      Where ‘breaking bad’ becomes socially acceptable. Drug trade financialization!

      Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke

      Though this was not stated explicitly, the government’s rationale in not pursuing criminal prosecutions against the bank was apparently rooted in concerns that putting executives from a “systemically important institution” in jail for drug laundering would threaten the stability of the financial system.

      The New York Times put it this way:

      Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.

      • ozone January 27, 2014 at 11:22 am #

        Now that’s a prime example of just what I’m saying, below.
        Also it’s “interesting” that withdrawals are being limited to small amounts per day for the “little people”. Wonder if the same applies when the cartels come looking for their money? Hmmm.


        • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 4:17 pm #

          It could be the little people are treated differently I won’t argue with that but it could also be that the morality of depositing money from HSBC differs from the morality of withdrawing money.

          HSBC Apologizes After Cash Withdrawal Issue in Britain

          But we do not argue about this, only banter. The truth is that pretending to have ethics and messing with a few semi-well off depositors generated copious news stories which could make one think HSBC has undergone a religious conversion and has been touched by god.

          Great PR, as intended.

    • Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 11:59 am #

      and knashing………..by looking for their tatoos!



  8. Greg Knepp January 27, 2014 at 10:17 am #

    Zombieism has a long and colorful history..and perhaps pre-history. Osiris, Horus, Tamuz (son of Ishtar) Heracles, Samuel, Lazarus, Jesus, Vlad Dracole, Snow White, Elvis, etc… All of these and more were reported to have been resurrected. Many exhibited marked physical transformations in their re-animated incarnations.

    Pre-knowledge of death may play a part in zombie cults. Also, a fascination with the life-death seasonal changes characteristic of non-equatorial climes may be at work.

    A culture-wide fascination with zombieism may be more prevalent in societies that are, themselves, spiraling toward death.

  9. Karah January 27, 2014 at 10:29 am #

    Zombieism is a spiritual deficiency and not a physical illness. Hollywood has to portray spiritual problems in a way the masses will understand by physically depicting the invisible, inner workers of systems, people and things.
    Zombies originate from black magic, Voodooism, when a dead body is animated to perform tasks and has no will of its own.

    • Greg Knepp January 28, 2014 at 12:03 pm #

      It’s true that what Americans came to know as zombies originally resulted from influences of voodoo practices in the Caribbean. The 50s’ B movie ‘I Walked with a Zombie’ was an early example of Zombie motif in popular culture. But a fascination with death and the possibility of afterlife seems the real root of Zombieism and much else of what is called spiritual practice as well.

      One reason Christianity has been so successful is that it promises eternal life to its adherents. Competing faiths, at the time of Jesus, tended to be rather fuzzy about the afterlife. The Jews had a concept of resurrection, but it was relatively new to that religion, and many Jewish clerics found the concept dubious. Greco-Roman Hellenism was seen as archaic in many circles and its afterlife concept murky and exclusive.

      But Christianity offered an actual living breathing zombie – Jesus himself [I intend no disrespect but don’t know how else to frame the issue]. This proved to be a devise guaranteed to win the masses.

  10. K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 10:34 am #

    Walters original dilemma is to stay alive draining the family piggy bank or die and leaving them only slightly less better off. Walter’s conundrum drives him to meth cooking where things quickly get way out of hand and Walter is soon lost, drawn into a murky underworld of drug czars money and murder. The side story of Jesse Pinkman a former not so stellar student of Walter is particularly interesting. Neither bright nor dull, Jesse is an average young man looking to find his way in the world. Through the series Jessie swings between idolization and finally ultimate loathing of Walter as Jesse’s twists, turns, and torments consume him as he grapples with what life is all about. Ignoring for a moment the cesspool of meth cooking and drug dealing both Walter and Jesse are trying to bumble through life as best they can both loosing their way as their egos blow between the good and the dark sides.

    Gus Frings right hand man Mike Ehrmantraut more than Gus represents the ideal of meticulous, careful and fair. He can be a cold blooded killer but Mike never kills for sport or to satisfy inner emotional demons of the kind which consume and define Walter. With Mike it is business nothing more. He is a gangster, but Mike is in it to make a living; to feed families. Mike desires to keep the show of life going in a you got to do what you got to do sort of way. That Walter ultimately does Mike in exemplifies the triumph of corruption over good in our times. Too-Big-To-Jail bankers and our casino of an economy which produces nothing and consumes all corrupts the land and leads us to destroy and forget all that is good. We can all wind up breaking bad if we are not careful. The theme of breaking bad in all its madness is about remembering what is good and not having the corruption of life do you in and drag you down.

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  11. ozone January 27, 2014 at 10:40 am #

    As we pass through this Janus-ian period of shaky and rapidly tumbling versions of “truth, justice, and the american way”, perhaps I’ll take a peek at this masterpiece of the american nightmare to see exactly who I am not. (I’m certain there will be aspects that strike a chord with my particular paranoia and the never-ending specter of vengeance served January-cold.)

    My question would be why didn’t the writers tap this rich, blue vein of the vampiric “healthcare” industry? Has it become a 3rd-rail topic, due to its’ ubiquity? Maybe it was just too big a softball to swing at for the writers… “not edgy or scary enough” perhaps. If they had sat in a hospital room and seen the pre- and post-op level of “care” in an understaffed facility, they might have found it plenty scary, with the edginess coming from the real edge of life and death that hovers close. (Then, there is of course the “check” [waiter!] that a person could actually, though tangentially, die from.)

    At any rate, I’ll take a peek, but no promises on how far I’ll make it, I do have a revulsion threshold (Janus-style) that is still my CHOICE to cross or not… (For how long, we have no way of telling; we might be up to our elbows in blood and guts sooner than we’d like to think.) It seems most of our narratives stem from grubbings for money and power, through the amplification of Madison Ave., and for that, I shall ever hold them in needle-sharp contempt, never to be forgiven.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 2:54 pm #

      Stop being a pussy. Yes, Janus is the God of the Threshold but he is also the Guardian thereof. He will protect you – even from your own prissiness and aversion to so much of life.

    • ozone January 27, 2014 at 5:30 pm #

      If you’d spell your hero’s name correctly (that you’re using for a thinly-veiled attractor to fellow neo-nazis), we might understand your “viewpoints” a bit better.

      Here, I’ll help:


      You may now return to pissing on everyone’s parade. Thank you for your forbearance in this regard.

  12. George January 27, 2014 at 10:42 am #

    I was especially enamored with that last scene of Walter alive in “Breaking Bad” where he caressed his meth lab equipment lovingly as Badfinger’s “Baby Blue” played in accompaniment.

    I rather enjoyed “Breaking Bad” but now find Showtime’s “Shameless”, featuring the misadventures of Chicago’s dysfunctional Gallagher clan, more appealing.


  13. 99 cent nation January 27, 2014 at 11:00 am #

    A great example of Americas exceptionalism. We are told we are exceptional. And yet we are living in the dark ages of medicine and everything else that matters. And it is getting darker. We pretend our concept of civilization is the ultimate in culture and wisdom where all it is really are zombies making stuff for other zombies to buy and measuring our success of how many wars and places in the world we can control and how many 0’s and 1’s we can collect with our sick concept of democratic capitalism. We are all bozo’s on this bus.

  14. shotho January 27, 2014 at 11:00 am #

    How can doctors and psychologists treat a “social problem”? They are more likely the problem than the solution.

    • Hands4u January 27, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

      Doctors and Psychologists don’t “Treat Social Problems”, they hopefully provide treatment to individuals who have “pathology” and more often than not have social problems defined by their response to a “pathological society”. The question becomes how do
      physician(s) heal themselves when they live in a pathological society?

      • Hands4u January 27, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

        As $ becomes the “cure” it becomes the addiction.

    • Karah January 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

      Doctors and psychologists treat groups of people and not just the individual. They see patterns and problems developing in society. They treat people based on group studies. They address social issues having to do with a variety of topics that encompass the whole person. They advise us on what to eat and how to spend the majority of our free time.

      Individuals don’t usually see a doctor or psychologist until their personal problem interferes with their social engagements. In Breaking Bad we see a generalized portrayal of a couple seeing specialists that excel in their field of study. The couple is being advised, not just Walter. His primary care physician discovers the cancer but allows him to make the final decision on how to deal with the news of his impending death ALONE. Like a lawyer, doctors and psychologists are bound by an oath of secrecy. This is supposed to allow them to perform their duties better because their clients can open up to them without fear or retribution.

      Society can be the problem. An example of this is the constant barrage of sexual stimulants being sold to men and women every 5 minutes on national t.v. Ask anyone who has studied biology/anatomy and physiology and they will tell you it’s perfectly healthy and normal NOT TO HAVE SEX. Sexual intercourse is not a requirement to live a healthy and happy life. Anyone who studies the sex act can see all the complications and dangers it can pose to both parties (even to homosexuals). Eventually our bodies dry up and weaken and the sexual act is no longer desired, needed or welcomed. Celibacy does not make you less of a person or disabled.

      Walter feels a responsibility toward his family and that’s the impetus for the entire story and what drives every character in the show except the lawyer. Does it matter what anyone is doing in order to fulfill their responsibility? Jesse took care of his aunt who died from cancer and that’s probably why he got into meth production and why he follows Walter the whole way. The point of the piece is to allow people to escape what they KNOW and live a fantasy. We all have been touched by drugs and cancer. We all know the ending to the story and we’re all asking for a little more time and one more hit of adrenaline.

  15. SteveO January 27, 2014 at 11:01 am #

    “He is the meth cooker supremo because his formula is the best, his lab practices are the most exacting, his standards are the highest!”

    Of course, the character is a trained chemist. Most people who “cook meth” are about as bright as a 3 watt night light. The fact that they can make the stuff at all without blowing themselves up or poisoning their customers is a testimony to how simple the process is. Anyone who has passed two semesters of undergrad organic chemistry could could make the kind of “ice” that Walter does.

    That being said, I could easily emphasize with Walter’s desperation. In the series pilot, you meet a man who has done everything that we were told would make us “successful” and “happy” and finds himself working evenings at a car wash, getting abused by his students, and getting lip from his DEA agent brother-in-law about how much of a wimp he is.

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    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

      I’m waiting eagerly for the final half season to become available on Netflix. I’ve heard that Walt gets even with the Jewish couple who screwed him out of his Legitimate millions.

      Remember, the slave is only noble when he rebels. Nietzsche.

  16. budizwiser January 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

    I think one salient reason “Breaking Bad” gained a viewer following is in the meticulous, almost plodding development of its characters.

    Anyone who has watched the show can wax on and on about how plausible the plot and settings are. People “get it.”

    Big deal.

    The most important aspects of our brave new world are all relative to the cost of your phone and tablet – the car you drive and whether or not your stock portfolio requires seven digits to display a balance. Nothing else much matters.

    As long as there are five or ten million of these zombies, kept comfortably numb – expect no changes….. at least not in the US.

    There’s been plenty of talk about “1 percent.” Not so much about the other five or six million wanna-be followers making sure of the status quo for the rest of us…….

  17. BackRowHeckler January 27, 2014 at 12:21 pm #

    Meth will be legal in Colorado and in some other states pretty soon anyway.

    You tell me, what other way is the state going to raise the money it needs to fund this massive welfare system and pay its public union sector?

    After that they’ll start pimping out your daughters. For the
    political Whores in DC and your state capital, anything that can raise a buck is fair game. Nothing is off limits.


    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 4:09 pm #

      Meth will be legal in Colorado and in some other states pretty soon anyway.

      That’s an outrageous statement based on nothing and makes no more sense than saying. If YOUR STATE FREES THE WEED YOUR TEAM WILL GO TO THE SUPER BOWL.

  18. Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 12:23 pm #

    “This jibes nicely with America’s current mood…” – JHK

    I will have something to say later today about the cost of medical care in our country but first, Jim, I want to thank you for typing “jibes” when so few here ever get that word right.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

      You are a Jibe Turkey.

  19. Rosamund January 27, 2014 at 12:23 pm #

    Walter White never would have broken bad had drugs been decriminalized and regulated. The gobs of cash he was able to accrue quickly were a direct result of the illegality. Making drugs and drug use illegal provides a Velcro strip for all manner of scum.

    I’ve been amazed at the audience reaction to Walt. Sure, there are varying opinions about Walt, but a dominant theme and reaction to him has been one of indictment and condemnation. The majority, at least from my observation, wanted him to be punished…..they felt as Jr. did….that he should just die already….especially females. Not all females, but quite a few, I’d definitely say more than 50%, wanted Walt to pay for his alleged “sins.” And just what were those sins beyond the illegality of Meth which is not immoral IMO….meaning cooking and selling Meth, albeit illegal, is not necessarily an immoral act. I had this to say on another forum because I was getting fed up with the Puritanical Parade.

    I have to say, this country is showing its puritanical roots in its reaction to Walt. With few exceptions, everyone wants him punished. He’s become a Whipping Boy for all of society’s ills…..a repository for the massive projection of society’s collective guilt. He’s a Sacrificial Lamb…to be stabbed with the steely knives of the viewing audience as they seek to kill the Beast that is them. But as the Eagles sagely advised…you just can’t kill the Beast…especially a surrogate Beast.

    So, back to the topic of morality and the skewering of Walt for his alleged immorality by the puritanical parade. What has done greater harm, is doing greater harm, and will do greater harm than any mythologized Meth Epidemic? That’s right, cigarettes. And what has Skyler been smoking increasingly the last couple of seasons? That’s right, cigarettes…which are perfectly, or not so perfectly, legal. With the baby in the next room, no less. At least Walt took a stand against using kids and selling to kids, if you recollect…or maybe you don’t recollect that because you’re busy denigrating him for his lack of “morality.” But it’s perfectly moral to manufacture, sell and smoke cigarettes, right? Where’s the War On Cigarettes? Shit, if we had a War On Cigarettes, Walt could have done that rather than cooking the pernicious, evil Meth. Plus, we would have gotten to see Walt kill off the management and shareholders of all the Tobacco Giants like Philip Morris. How awesome would that have been? So awesome, AMC wouldn’t have picked up the show, that’s how awesome. Here’s some perspective. Get some perspective before you liberally dole out the “evil” and “monster” labels.

    This post is not accusatory of anyone specifically. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it. It doesn’t fit me…in fact, I didn’t even bother to try it on because it’s not my style.


    FYI, I’m not moralizing about cigarette smoking. I’m asking those who feel compelled to jump on the bandwagon of Walt condemnation, to reconsider their biased moralizing and put the guillotine away, unless of course, they’re willing to put their head beneath the blade first.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 12:45 am #

      Women are the backbone of any tyranny. That’s not their “goddess” self image, but it is a fact.

  20. Phutatorius January 27, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    I, too, have begun watching this series. I finished season 1 and have barely started season 2. To add to what you said, I was disturbed by the Walter Mitty-ish quality of much of the first season. White’s chemical expertise is his version of “super-powers.” I haven’t decided whether to continue watching. I have considered skipping right to the final episode of the series and then calling it quits with “Breaking Bad.” In a similar vein, however, I cannot praise “The Wire” highly enough. If “The Wire” had done a season centered around health care in “Baltimore” I doubt that it would have ignored the questions you put forward.

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  21. Rosamund January 27, 2014 at 12:34 pm #

    “I will have something to say later today about the cost of medical care in our country but first, Jim, I want to thank you for typing “jibes” when so few here ever get that word right…” – Q. Shtik


    He’s one of the few who uses it properly but considering the context, at least partially, is about the state of healthcare, “meshes” may be more appropriate. I say this because I’ve seen an obnoxious number of commercials from law firms lately soliciting potential claimants concerning faulty transvaginal pelvic sling meshes. Here’s an example.

    Vaginal Mesh Complications? Pelvic Mesh Attorney Explains Lawsuits.

  22. Dave January 27, 2014 at 12:51 pm #

    K-Dog said: ” That Walter ultimately does Mike in exemplifies the triumph of corruption over good in our times.”

    What planet are you on? Mike was a former dirty cop who was kicked off the Philadelphia police force for being so crooked which is saying something since practically the whole Philadelphia police force is on the take. Mike was crooked incarnate and a sycophantic soldier who never questioned his illegal orders despite how heinous the act may have been. Mike had no problem with Gus using children to sell and Gus selling to children. Mike got his comeuppance. I stood up and applauded when Walt finely put a slug in him. It was another milestone for Walt in his journey of purification. We watched as Walt’s balls grew by leaps and bounds every week. Eventually his balls grew so large he needed a wheel barrel to lug them around.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 3:01 pm #

      Yes, the show is a masterpiece of delayed masculine development. It’s Fight Club for Yuppies but only appreciated by the younger generation for the most part.

      Mike is a common type. He’s a decent man but his decency is only for his personal life. In is work, he does what needs to be done. His kind make society run – and that’s good and bad. His admiration of Gus is also typical. He identifies with him and wishes he had his business genius.

      From a racial point of view, the show portrays Whites as ultimately the toughest guys of all, combing brains and brawn. A much needed message.

    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 3:53 pm #

      All of Mike’s people were 100% loyal. When Fring’s empire went down and Fring’s soldiers were picked up and put in jail none of them talked and all knew their families were taken care of. In time they would have all been set free. Mike could count on them to be silent because he was both liked and feared. Most importantly liked. They all knew that Mike, the company man would take care of them. Mike also took an interest in Jesse and mentored him, not wanting Jesse to be influenced by Walter who he considered mad and driven by the wrong reasons. Mike did have a line and he did not condone the murder of innocents. His final opposition to Walter was because Walter sunk to the level of being OK with murder for any expediency.

      Mike did follow Fring’s orders to the letter even when he disagreed on specific decisions. To him Fring was a competent leader who though extreme in his actions sometimes Fring was someone who’s top priority was to keep the organization running smoothly and quietly. Mike respected Fring and was loyal and demanded loyalty in return. He had a problem with Walter who became interested in cooking meth ‘just because he could’ and who got stuck on himself big that season.

      Mike was living in a corrupt world and had he not there would have been nothing to watch. Mike exemplified the triumph over corruption in a corrupt world. I’m not holding him up as a paragon of virtue but in the world he lived in he was in a relative sense virtuous.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 12:48 am #

        Remind me: When did Mike object to the murder of innocents? I’m surprised you can like a type like him.

        • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 11:41 am #

          Mike Ehrmantraut

          Mike had scrouples.

          Interesting that Saul Goodman has not been mentioned. he was another complex and colorful character.

  23. seatrades January 27, 2014 at 12:52 pm #

    The ploy trajectory of Breaking Bad is actually very traditional. Think Macbeth — a good man driven by ambition ( his and his wife’s) becomes a monster. Breaking Bad’s Walter has an even softer and more sympathetic launch. His meager teaching salary cannot begin to pay for the treatment he requires for lung cancer. ( and medical debt is responsible for more than 50% of US bankruptcies). When he turns to crime to pay for his treatment, we are sympathetic. But the meat of the story is long after Walter has enough money to pay his medical bills, he continues his crimes, graduating to murder. In short, a mild mannered high school chemistry teacher becomes a ruthless monster.
    If Breaking Bad represents any sort of American simile, it would be in posing the question: How much is enough? And What are we will to do to get ‘enough’?


    • sauerkraut January 27, 2014 at 2:47 pm #

      There is much in what you say, seatrades.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 3:05 pm #

      Remember, Walt was betrayed by his “lover” and driven out of the business he helped create. His whole transformation is a result of that and fueled by a desire for vengeance. The Cancer is only a catalyst.

      Surely he wasn’t going to get justice from the system after all.

  24. dolph9 January 27, 2014 at 12:53 pm #

    I consider Hollywood movies and cable TV shows to be about as useful and sustainable as our sprawled out suburbs, and I just don’t bother anymore.

  25. Carl Grimes January 27, 2014 at 12:55 pm #

    I’ve never watched Breaking Bad, but I have seen every episode of another AMC show, The Walking Dead. Personally I think it has a lot in common with Jim’s World Made by Hand scenario. Society has literally fallen apart, there’s little electricity, little gas, food is scarce, medicine non existent. Zombies wait behind every corner, they attack every living person, and are particularly dangerous when they mob up into a herd. They’re never called zombies on the show usually walkers or biters. The survivors have a hard time even finding a place to stay for any length of time.

    Think a good majority of people realize that things are wrong and are unsustainable, but won’t accept it and keep rationalizing that things can go on the way they are. I believe this is fueling interest in zombies and end of the world concepts.

    I see the zombies on The Walking Dead as some kind of metaphor for the greedheads and morons that have put us in our present predicament and are keeping us there through their craziness and stupidity, and unwillingness to accept reality.

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  26. Poet January 27, 2014 at 1:34 pm #

    An apt metaphor nicely drawn. Since I stopped watching TV years ago (and being the better for it) I appreciate your occasional guided tours through the cesspool of popular culture.

    • K-Dog January 27, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

      And don’t you know it! Days go by when I don’t watch a thing and I know I’m better for it too. And when I do, all that wasted time; gone forever.

      Fitting you should mention a guided tour through a cesspool of popular culture for your comment demarcates a division in this week’s comments. Above you and including you are comments made for the most part by normal readers who this week comment on the popular culture of Breaking Bad. Independent readers there lie.

      But below your comment begin those made by an organization which has less virtue than the organization operated by Gus Fring or Walter. An organization criminal in its disregard for the basic protections written into our constitution and the rule of law. A cesspool of culture lies below.

      This demarcation is not absolute but fuzzy and my apologies to any normal people which post below this line. I lack GPS and may not have the location exactly quite right. Unlike Walter I don’t have a Lottery Ticket with GPS coordinates on it telling me exactly where the money lies buried.

      • CancelMyCard January 29, 2014 at 8:35 pm #

        So, K-Dog, why does that demarcation exist?

        Is it lunar? Some phase of the moon that switches the neural chemistry over on Tuesday evenings?

        Maybe it has to do with eating too much GMO food on Sunday night, and then one’s liver has to process the toxins out for 48 hours, and thus, finally, the endorphins release?

        Or maybe on Monday early AM, JHK’s commentary causes a very brief tear in the space-time fabric, and an extremely small wormhole appears, which inhales the trolls and psychos, keeping them in suspension for a 36-hour period, and then releases them into the ether?

        I’m open to all suggestions here.

        • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm #

          It has to do with the similarity between trolls and cockroaches. Shortly after Jim posts the light is too bright for them. Their irrelevancy can’t stand the light of day.

  27. Shivani January 27, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

    Jim overlooked one more thing, which appears to be as invisible to him as it is to most Americans, which is that the treatments the show’s character is paying megabucks for are not health care. Radiation and chemotherapy do not address the cause of cancer. And does it make a bit of sense to treat cancer with a carcinogen?
    Most mainstream medical treatments merely focus on symptoms, while causing further deterioration of health. For instance, many dental materials create further dental problems and root canals are so toxic they are time bombs. Yet how many dentists explain to their patients that dental health depends on nutrition? Weston A. Price’s priceless book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, should be required reading of all who eat. (Title sounds boring. Book is fascinating.)
    The degenerative conditions now so common in modern society are caused by crummy nutrition, as well as by exposure to physical and electromagnetic toxins.
    I recently shared info. about this with a woman with lung cancer whose doctors had “given her” 6 months or so to live. She acted on the information shared and when she went back to the oncologist he was astonished and mystified because he had expected the cancer to be twice as large, but it was halved.
    Big, big money in our disease-care system.

  28. Don January 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm #

    I think I will stick to watching Downton Abbey. And reruns of Gilligan’s Island, peppered with a few episodes of My Favorite Martian.

    The TV shows of contemporary USA like Duck Dynasty and Breaking Bad paint a very ugly picture of this country.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm #

      The Ducks are decent folks. Your equation of them with Breaking Bad show you to be a Biter, a Liberal Zombie.

      • Don January 27, 2014 at 5:06 pm #

        “a Biter, a Liberal Zombie”

        Wow, that is a lot to digest. But thanks for capitalizing those terms so they really have a bite to them.

        • hineshammer January 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

          Vlad thinks he can pigeonhole someone by interpreting one trivial sentence. You, Don, are a liberal zombie (as opposed to a conservative zombie) because Vlad says so. Live with it.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 7:51 pm #

          De nada.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 7:53 pm #

          That’s what I’m here for lil buddy.

  29. volodya January 27, 2014 at 1:59 pm #

    Last week there was the usual action in the comments section about the issue of race and IQ. I wanted to throw in my two cents but I never got a chance.

    I know it’s not on topic with JHK’s commentary for this week and so I apologize to our esteemed host and hope he doesn’t get annoyed. And I don’t want to re-ignite the race wars. But I thought some perspective brought by scientists might be helpful.

    So here it is. There’s been DNA extracted and analyzed from bones of West European hunters from the post glacial period and guess what? According to the DNA analysis they had brown skin. Likely similar to people now living on the Indian sub-continent. What does this mean? It likely means that the first European sapiens hunters weren’t what we now think of as “white”. “White-ness” came later.

    There’s more. Modern day people most genetically similar to these West European hunters are people now living on the shores of the Baltic, that is to say, the people that Nazi racists tell us are the Master Race. Imagine that, the shining examples of white superiority most closely resemble our European non-white ancestors. Ironic, no?

    Where did the genes that confer white-ness evolve? From what I read the best evidence-based guess is around the Caspian Sea in the Caucasus region between 12 and 25 thousand years ago. Those same genes moved via migration routes into Europe with normal human wandering and with the movement of the first farmers into Europe.

    If you look at maps showing the present-day prevalence of those “white” genes you see a wide swathe of territory around and just south of the Caspian Sea and extending west into Europe. The greatest concentration in Europe is found in a narrow band extending from the Black Sea west across Central Europe and France. The prevalence of these genes decreases as one moves geographically into northern Europe and into southern Europe.

    Why did the skin pigmentation of Europeans change? Different theories. One is because of dietary reasons. People need UV exposure for vitamin D production. Especially people that get their nourishment from cereal grains and that live in more northern locales.

    And so a mutation that confers paler skin would give a selective advantage. Especially to farmers. And so the first Eurasian farmers in locales like the Caucasus and Anatolia preserved and passed on genes that gave them paler skin. These farmers moved into Europe bringing the genes for pale skin and, along with other founding peoples, gave rise to modern Europeans.

    There’s one other thing. There was talk some time ago on this site that “whites” have a prior claim on the Americas because their ancestors were the first to get there or among the first. Because there might have been ice-age European migrants across the southern bounds of the North Atlantic ice pack which extended far south almost to Spain.

    So, if the foregoing is all true, that early sapiens hunters in Europe weren’t white but brown, then the problem is that the people that likely left the artifacts found on the east coast that are touted as evidence of “white” migration during the glacial era were produced by people that probably weren’t “white”.

    The point here is don’t be too sure of things. Science bites people on the ass. And that’s it from me on the issue of race.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 3:28 pm #

      No surprises here. The small, dark people were there before the Indo-Europeans. They are still there in Ireland, Scotland, Wales. The Basques. The Sardinians. We came in and conquered them and assimilated with them. They are good people. The Aryan Celts didn’t build Stonehenge, they did. We merely took it over and gave it to our Priests, the Druids. But Druidism was a Solar Cult. The Cult of the Dead was their contribution to our Heritage.

      Read another interesting thing a couple of weeks ago. Many of the Indians have White DNA from very ancient times. Many groups came over from Siberia – some of them originating west of Lake Baikal and being an intermediary group between White and Mongolian. This is different from the Solutrean Hypothesis of Cro-Magnons coming over from Europe – also possible. In any case, the earliest skeletons found in America are not Indian. And to give them to the Indians to claim as their own and bury is just despicable. A compete capitulation to political correctness over science.

      You are right to doubt and fear. The races do differ in intelligence with Whites on the high end (not the highest, sorry no supremacy here) and the darker races on the low end. The dark people of early Europe? Nobody considerers them anything but White.

      Note: the small dark people were invaders too. The stocky fair skinned Paleolithic people descended from Cro-Magnon and/or Neanderthal were the very first. We may have gotten fair skin and red hair from the Neanderthals. The Blondes come from the East as you say. Vitamin D is a miracle “drug”. We can make it by the gallon. It’s a big advantage in Europe – and a curse in most of America. There are Muslims and Congolese up in Northern Canada now. What utter perversion, eh?

    • Panic January 27, 2014 at 4:35 pm #

      All lands have been conquered. All peoples have migrated.
      JFK had his ‘a Nation of Immigrants’ book……over time what land does not have them?
      What land has not been overtaken by them?

      The Italians are the Greeks and Iranians.
      The French are the Italians that fled the invaders.
      The Brits are polyglot [?].
      The Vikings [Norwegians] have Irish DNA from ‘stealing the women.
      This has been proved. On the coastal side the DNA is 10% Irish.

  30. Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 2:44 pm #

    “That being said, I could easily emphasize with Walter’s desperation.” – SteveO

    OMG, it’s empathize.

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  31. ajmuste January 27, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    “The point here is don’t be too sure of things. Science bites people on the ass.” — Volodya

    Science bites itself on the ass; that is its nature.

    All scientific knowledge is tentative, subject to change when new evidence is discovered. By its nature science provides us with uncertainty, not certainty. So, don’t be too sure of things.

    Science is better than blind faith, superstition, or dogmatic fundamentalism: precisely because science is willing to change.

  32. BackRowHeckler January 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm #

    Speaking of Show Biz … how ’bout that Grammy Awards Show last night? For you CFNers with a conservative bent — and there are many — how do you like having your nose rubbed in it? There’s your Hollywood betters, the true 1% … as for you, out in flyover country, morons, racists, dirtbags, flagwavers, homophobes, your job is to eat the sh-t Hollywood dishes out, smile, and say it tastes good, that’s all. Beyond that, shut the F-ck up!


  33. BackRowHeckler January 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm #

    Speaking of Show Biz … how ’bout that Grammy Awards Show last night? For you CFNers with a conservative bent — and there are many — how do you like having your nose rubbed in it? There’s your Hollywood betters, the true 1% … as for you, out in flyover country, morons, racists, dirtbags, flagwavers, homophobes, your job is to eat the sh-t Hollywood dishes out, smile, and say it tastes good, that’s all. Beyond that, shut the F-ck up!!


  34. BackRowHeckler January 27, 2014 at 3:10 pm #

    sorry for the double post

  35. Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

    “The ploy trajectory of Breaking Bad……………And What are we will to do to get ‘enough’?” – Seatrades



    I am always surprised (why, I don’t know) how many posters here click Submit without first reading what they’ve written.

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  36. Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

    “Your equation of them with Breaking Bad show you to be a Biter…” – Janos

    Your equating them with Breaking Bad shows you to be a Biter…

    • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 3:33 pm #

      Thanks. No, die die make you suffer. (Star Trek, Vampire episode)

  37. consultant13 January 27, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

    What will happen to an empire in decline that ALSO has 20,000 nuclear warheads to look after?

    The recent revelations at some of nuclear military bases should be a warning: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/01/hagel-concerned-about-problems-nuclear-sites

    No declining empire in history has had to deal with something like this.

  38. ajmuste January 27, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

    Excellent post, consultant13.

    Not many people on CFN consider nuclear weapons to be a threat. Instead they seem to be mollified by the idea of mutually assured destruction and think that nuclear threats are external.

    Obama has been, since he was a senator in Illinois, working on controlling external loose nukes. Obama has fulfilled his 2009 promise to improve security of Americans and planet earth by rounding up loose nukes and the material that non-domestic terrorists could acquire to make dirty bombs.

    The same attention should be placed on stopping accidents or white domestic terrorists from using our own nukes. There is danger from a nuclear accident, or miscalculation, or home-grown nuclear terrorism of the white militia or Oklahoma City bombing type.

    I would vote for eliminating nuclear weapons altogether.

  39. ajmuste January 27, 2014 at 3:49 pm #

    BRH, to be fair (instead of cynical), our greatest problem is not meth.

    I give President Obama credit where credit is due. I criticize him when that is necessary. On loose nukes Obama has been on target in calling on the world to act with a sense of purpose and without delay to secure vulnerable nuclear material.

    The United States and the global community responded to Obama’s call with an unprecedented effort that has secured thousands of kilograms of HEU and plutonium, enough for dozens of nuclear weapons.

    Obama shows that government can work.

  40. Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 4:02 pm #

    “those who feel compelled to jump on the bandwagon of Walt condemnation,” – Rosamund

    I don’t perceive the audience’s reaction to Walter’s “immorality” at all like you do. I found that the shows creators had the audience rooting for Walt’s success much like we did for Tony Soprano.

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    • Rosamund January 27, 2014 at 4:16 pm #

      I thought the same at one time until I started snooping around at various blogs. Many rooted for him early on but in the last season, when he truly embraced the dark side, many turned against him. At least according to many of the reviews and comments I read at the time.

      I know Jim hasn’t watched the ending episodes yet, but wow it was a great finale, you must admit. There are so many thought-threads that come to mind, but first let me say, it would have been nice if they played this whilst he stroked his “Precious” at the end after taking care of business. I stayed with you to the very end Walt when most everyone else abandoned you. But I didn’t cry (like so many did when Gibson’s Christ suffered and died in “The Passion of the Christ”). Your death was the necessary result of one hell of a life condensed into the span of less than two years. You finally woke up and lived….and you did it your way. An example for all men to follow but few, if any, will.

      My Way

      • Janos Skorenzy January 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm #

        Frank’s last words, “I’m losing”. We’re all going to lose. We don’t own our bodies after all. We’re just renting. Nay more: we don’t even own our very selves. Our beings are derivative. God is the only One who can really say I AM.

        • hineshammer January 27, 2014 at 7:29 pm #


  41. Celia January 27, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    Walter a monster? I don’t think so. Some of us, or many of us, need to look in the mirror to find the real monster(s),

    We all take part in destroying lives every day, even our own lives. We contribute to the Cold Evil of the technological cocoon in everything we do, up to and including discussing it here and all it entails for us to be able to do that. This Cold Evil is distinct from Hot Evil where harm and trauma are inflicted in person, hand to hand, or mano y mano, in a very personal and up-close way.

    Walt journeyed from the inoculated and insular Cold Evil existence where he sleepwalked through life as a long-distance killer like all the rest of us, to the tumultuous, up-close and personal Hot Evil existence of adrenaline-pumping, primal brutality. Each existence is immoral, but I would argue the former is vastly more dangerous, and exacts much more pain and suffering than Walt’s Hot Evil existence, as dramatic and theatrical as it was.


    “We are confronted with an ethical enigma; far from the simple idea of evil we harbored in the past, we now have an evil that apparently does not require evil people to purvey it.”

    • LarasDad January 27, 2014 at 8:52 pm #

      Thank you for that amazing link. And to think this is 13 years old !

      I strongly recommend this, especially to readers of Greer’s ADR.

      Those “heretics” who would expose the cold evil inherent in this default religion of Progress risk ridicule as well as academic and social excommunication.

  42. Panic January 27, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

    How many here are willing to ignore ‘Karah’ and ‘Ajmuste’?

    • Karah January 27, 2014 at 10:23 pm #


  43. Pucker January 27, 2014 at 6:09 pm #

    [Scene from the movie “The Butler”, Part II A very small minority of black people have finally made it into the slave owning class. Everyone else is unemployed and living in poverty. Oprah plays “Lady Sphinter.]

    The Butler: “Excuse me Lady Sphincter…Would you like another chocolate-covered finger? They’re still warm, you know.”

  44. Crue January 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

    “….America’s loathe letter to itself.”

    I’m gonna steal that.

  45. Crue January 27, 2014 at 7:10 pm #

    Few people know that underground chemist, Steve Preisler, writing under the nom de plume, “Uncle Fester”, was a “technical adviser” for the show.

    Preisler was a gifted chem student, and body building enthusiast, who cooked small batches of meth for himself and his fellow iron pumpers. In 1984 Preisler was arrested for possession of a few grams of meth. Steve was convinced that he’d be given a fine and probation for such a small amount, but was shocked to be handed a lengthy prison sentence. It seems that the judge wanted to set an example, since Preisler was white and well educated, and not the usual ‘hood rat.

    Preisler was so incensed by what he felt was inequitable treatment, he borrowed a typewriter from a fellow prisoner and wrote the now classic, Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture.

    Prior to Preisler’s book, meth had been the domain of biker gangs. After the book was published, meth spread to every rust belt trailer park right America.

    As an encore, Preisler went on to write “cookbooks” for high explosives and poison gasses. The book dealing with poison gasses was used by the Japanese death cult, Aum Shinrikyo, to produce the nerve gas they unleashed on the Tokyo subway system.

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  46. Looongerbeard January 27, 2014 at 7:51 pm #

    You’re a great writer, JHK. But, truly, I could give a rat’s ass about some tv show.

    And then for their to be lengthy debates about how this piece of fiction informs us, well, Zzzzzzz, zzzzzzz, (I can’t Hang Blood!)

  47. rollie January 27, 2014 at 8:25 pm #

    How about the fact that Walter, a onetime contributor to research that won a Nobel Prize, and co-founder of Gray Matter Technologies, is reduced to teaching high school, either because the society has stopped growing and can’t seem to put him to work at his level, or because of his own under-achieving tendencies. Clearly some metaphoric material there either way. (No offense intended toward people who are truly cut out to be high school teachers.)

    How about the tale of Jesse, the soft kid from a good home — not quite driven enough academically to be a Walter, not ruthless enough to be a “Heisenberg,” and ultimately not cut out for the drug trade. Jesse crosses the line between a world ostensibly ruled by law, into one that isn’t, and must come to grips with the ruthlessness required, even though it’s not “in him” i.e. he’s not really used to it. We will make the same crossing when the rule of law abandons us, and then we’ll all be in Jesse’s shoes, forced to adopt ruthlessness or get punked by those who have already beaten us to that same conclusion.

    Even so, I think the show is best enjoyed without a lot of the infantile moralizing I see in brain-farts typed on the internet by people raised in a cocoon of comfortable moral certainty (e.g. church, post-Reagan America). Life isn’t about having all the goddamned answers.

    I also like the fact that the series was, at least part of the time, pretty subtle, not hitting you over the head with things. (The plane crash above Walter’s house being one heavy-handed exception.) The fact that Walter can only afford his cancer treatment by becoming a DRUG KINGPIN (for chrissakes) says PLENTY about the healthcare racket in my opinion. But then again, I watched the series after reading this blog, so I was well-acquainted with the idea of healthcare as a racket.

    • Buck Stud January 27, 2014 at 8:45 pm #

      Walter White my ass: He’ll always be “Heisenberg” to me.

      • Q. Shtik January 27, 2014 at 9:27 pm #

        As my father used to say “Well I’ll be go to hell.”

        Welcome back Buck.

  48. aka_ces January 27, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

    o Walter White’s MS chemist collaborator, Gale Boetticher, seems even more representative of America’s actual valuation of science: despite his education, he gives the impression that there is not market for his skills other than in Fring’s meth lab. There’s a lot multiplely-degreed scientists and engineers in the US who cannot find employment for their STEMxpertise.

    o I’m not sure that WW medical experiences are so damming of US medical practice — his treatment is presented as so advanced and costly that it’s unlikely that it would available to anyone anywhere other than in the US. A more damning, and typical, narrative would have WW bankrupted by being unable to pay for a more run-of-the-mill treatment.

    o The signal moment of the program was Walter White pummeling his fist into the metal of a bathroom towel dispenser after learning that his cancer was in remission — he really did not want to live, and all that followed was the action of a man who considered himself, wished himself, already dead.

    • Karah January 27, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

      Gale was asked point blank why he got involved in meth production and he said it was strictly because of his reverence for pure chemistry. He didn’t say “for the money” or “to get high” or “to win the nobel prize”. He wanted to work with one of the best chemists around. How many guys get that opportunity especially Walter after he got his work practically STOLEN from him by his EX girlfriend and partners?!

  49. progress4what January 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm #

    Yeah, well – JHK,

    You must be a hell of a writer. Because you’ve made me take a second look at a cable TV series that I had written off as stupid beyond redemption.

    My brother-in-law was so INTO Breaking Bad that I sat with him, in his man-cave during the holidays, to watch a couple of episodes.

    My first thought was, “this dumb sob (the chemistry teacher, not my b-i-l) is a teacher. That means he’s a government employee. Fuckin’ A! Why-the-hell doesn’t he have health insurance???

    After one night in the man-cave I wrote the series off as a cable TV excuse for gratuitous violence based on an implausible premise.

    I’ll stand by that in perpetuity.

    Although, JHK has pointed out that Breaking Bad is an excellent proxy for the decline of the United States. So I’ll consider that.

    Meanwhile, I’ll consider that this thread has lapped over to the second page of comments. That means that all the effort expended on the first page of comments is lost forever.


    • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 2:16 am #

      Another good writer: Elizabeth Wright was that rarest of breeds, a Black White Nationalist. In this article, she castigates White Conservatives to get off their knees and fight for America like men – White Men that is. The only ones who can provide the leadership we so desperately need.


  50. progress4what January 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm #

    “If Breaking Bad had aired the ’80s, it would have read as a giant “Just Say No” campaign. But in 2013, with health-care costs rising and Obamacare on the brink of becoming a reality, the show’s main takeaway isn’t “meth is bad,” “money is evil,” or “people can’t change their nature.” Breaking Bad almost seems to be saying good health care is worth killing for.”


    In this regard, BB does capture the essence of a bizarre age.

    I’ve had multiple friends, ages 50 to 64.9, tell me that, “I’m just working for the health insurance.”

    So – will they now realize that Obamacare means that everyone gets the same health insurance whether they work or not.

    Expect a mass exodus from the labor force fairly soon – if so.

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  51. progress4what January 27, 2014 at 10:10 pm #

    Good Fred, Q. Here’s a quote:

    “Open borders. Another train wreck started, stage-managed, and supported by Washington. The merest glance at the outside world would show that mixing immiscible peoples regularly results in strife, division, decline and, often, civil war. Coming to a theater near you. Merry Christmas.” – fred –

    And yeah, Fred doesn’t even BEGIN to consider the problems that will come with decline due to “peak everything,” which is one of the overriding themes of this Cluster Fuckin’ Blog.


    And speaking of things that the Federal government screws up –

    And consider that BB would be impossible without the DEA and the machinery of Federal drug law enforcement.

    How many of you know that methamphetamine is COMPLETELY LEGAL, with a simple prescription.


    Fascinating. Meth has been legal since the 1940’s. With very few problems until recently.

    “Not even once!” – Govt. sponsored anti-meth advert –

    My ass.


    And speaking of which, Q – do you think ajsoker is a “particular friend” of JHK, and therefore entitled to special CFN privilege?

    • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 2:21 am #

      Did you ever figure how out you felt about Jews running whole key industries and dominating key institutions? Check this out: Jews are 46% of the Caucasian student body at Harvard. That makes them 31 times more likely to be admitted to Harvard than Whites. Now are they 31 times as smart or 31 times as hard working? Or is something else going on?


      • Looongerbeard January 28, 2014 at 5:41 am #

        Begone! Racist Fool!
        Shoo! Shoo!

        • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 6:25 am #

          In other words, don’t talk about sensitive issues? Or worse, is it stop making sense? In either case, your attitude sucks – it’s the antithesis of what Liberalism is supposed to mean. You are unworthy of your beard. You are just a bearded tattooed lady. You should be in a cage at the circus.

          • rollie January 29, 2014 at 7:07 pm #

            Not because you “talk about sensitive issues,” because you’re stuck on ONE issue:

  52. Pucker January 27, 2014 at 10:26 pm #

    Idea for a new US “Reality TV” show: US college and law school graduate with US$200,000 in non-dischargable student loan debt flees overseas via the Underground Railroad to escape cruel Cracker creditors chasing him at night in white hoods white robes and dogs. The student protagonist’s name is “Kunta Kinte”.

    • Neon Vincent January 27, 2014 at 11:28 pm #

      Be careful what you wish for, Pucker, you might get it. That’s not too far off from the ultimate reality TV show so far imagined, The Hunger Games. As Discovery News wrote about the movies:

      “The Hunger Games series explores a society where reality television has pushed the limits on the human condition. How far is this from our own society? Laci explores the effects of “reality” on television.”

      I used to be a moderator of a web forum about Survivor and other reality TV shows. That past haunted me when I watched the first movie. As the Discovery News video I have embedded at my blog shows, I was right to feel disturbed and guilty about my tastes in entertainment.


  53. Pucker January 27, 2014 at 11:40 pm #

    Speaking of juvenile American males who never grow up, Is Dick Clark of “American Bandstand” still around?

  54. BeerBarrel January 28, 2014 at 1:48 am #

    I went to the big RV show this weekend. The one where every dealer within 50 miles brings their RVs under the roof (and some outside) so the RVing crowd doesn’t have to run all over the place to browse the various brands of pretty much identical floor plans.

    It was crowded. There were markdowns galore – savings of $75K for the largest was common, and for the first-timer, $5K! We own one of those neat A-Frame popup campers that can be towed behind a crossover with very little consequence – bought it used, immaculate and cheap – and we use it when we head to a lake within AAA’s RV+ plan’s 100 mlle towing distance – beats a tent and the bears can’t break in.

    Some of these guys, though, are putting down fifty grand on a trailer that can sleep eight, and provide a Super-Bowl watching experience! There’s toy-haulers that have an entire back wall fold down and move-out-of-the-way beds so the lucky camper can bring his dirt motorcycles to boot! There’s slide outs that expand the vehicle into practically a full-sized house on wheels.

    Of course it’s all cheap, lightweight stuff that’s bound to leak right after the warranty expires. Guess what the payments are for a $70K Class-C drivable RV; try $250 per month for 240 months! That’s indentured servitude – twenty years of it! Some of these guys buying RVs won’t even live long enough to pay the thing off. What’s even funnier is, the RVs themselves won’t last as long as 20 years and everyone knows it.

    The RV industry a god damned racket. When we bought our RV, I tried in vain to price them out. They advertise these fantastic mark-downs at the dealerships – make you feel stupid for not buying into the dream if you manage to escape the store. What’s worse, they don’t care if you walk – there’s always another sucker. We made sure we bought an RV that had some kind of re-sale value – check for yourself, the Chalet/A-liner A-frames hold their value very well very much because one’s free from the two-vehicle enhancement problem. That’s another part of this racket – the dealers will lead you to believe your half-ton pickup or suburban (150/1500 series) will be enough to haul a 4500lb RV – but even after the sway-bars are added (another expense) the pickup will itself sway in a very frightening way.

    No, what the lucky camper finds out is that they have to upgrade their tow-vehicle – and they better – because that RV they just bought is NOT REFUNDABLE and now worth almost HALF of what they paid. As soon as the toilet’s used, it’s like dirty goods.

    Not far from the show was an empty K-Mart (still in business) parking-lot full of repossessed RVs for very “attractive” prices.

    There’s the followup warranty process, too – where they try and extract yet another few thousand dollars so you won’t have to worry about replacing the propane-powered refrigerator when it breaks down.

    Footing all of this are the banks – they’re fully cognizant that these RVs will (1) never be paid for, (2) won’t last the 15 to 20 years it takes to pay them off; they’re betting that the RVers will continue to trade-up and up and up and up until the carcasses of the older ones no longer appear in the books.

    I’m a veteran of TheOilDrum.com and read this site regularly – I believe much of what Kunstler says is correct and true – I believe in Jeffrey Brown’s points made with his theoretical Export Land Model. It was at the RV show I could see with my naked eyes the blasphemy that has befallen many of us here in the US where Business as Usual is preached as it can continue unabated for years and years to come.

    I know better than that!

    • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 2:25 am #

      What do you call the ones that aren’t towed but are driven? Are those any better?

      • BeerBarrel January 28, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

        Not really. You see, it’s all the protuberances that have to be sealed with caulking over and over again. Those who keep their RVs (and boats) inside a pole building will see their RV last many years but most just have them parked outside and at RV storage lots where the sun, rain, snow, and ice all take their toll.

        A home’s basic asphalt shingle roof may last 25 years without maintenance – no way an RV’s will. If you look at an older RV’s roof, you’ll see piles and gobs of caulking that’s been applied over the years in an often futile attempt to ward off the moisture ingress.

        The more one pays for their RV, of course, the better the materials are in the first place – but the real nice ones go for $$$500K and even those won’t last 25 years in general!

        • CancelMyCard January 29, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

          OK, your points are valid.

          How about Airstreams?

          I’ve seen people with Airstreams that are 50 years old and still functional. They are, supposedly, very well built. And yes, they are expensive. Well, you know the saying — you get what you pay for.

          What’s your opinion on those RVs?

    • BackRowHeckler January 28, 2014 at 6:59 am #

      Good post, BB, Very detailed.

      I’ve got to send it over to my brother, a big RV guy. The one he has is bigger than a greyhound bus, and gets 6 mpg diesel.

      A few years ago he said to me, “If you mention peak oil one more time I’m gonna kick your ass”.

      A lot of retired military vets ride around the country in those things, which is in fact what he is.

      I’ve made a few trips with him. I don’t know what you’d call it. Certainly not camping.


    • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 11:15 am #

      Someone needs to make one mounted on tank treads to cruise over car choked free-ways. The ultimate bug out vehicle. Enough fuel to go 1000 miles and chocked full of survival food. Armour plated with gun ports and short wave radio for the ‘entertainment system’. On board water purification and video surveillance on all sides visible from a bulletproof glass shielded drivers seat. Top speed does not have to be fast. Fifty mph will do fine.

      And the sooner we have a hard collapse the fewer payments on it will have to be made.

  55. Pucker January 28, 2014 at 4:34 am #

    Do you blokes prefer Country or Western?

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  56. Lord Blaby of Lawson January 28, 2014 at 9:24 am #

    Panic, the following link is in support of what you are trying to convey. What Eisner and the Jews did to Disney is a common tactic; usurp a former company/organization/institution that excluded them, and turn it to their own ends using the former reputation of the captured entity as stealth coverage for their cloak & dagger denigration and disintegration of cultural & tradition. Giladi and Blavatnik did the same thing with Mel Gibson’s Icon UK. Gibson’s greed was exploited. They know Gentiles all too often give into greed and so profit and personal gain comes before the maintenance of cultural tradition. The Gentile doesn’t think like the Jew; the Jew knows how to maintain his/her culture and get the Gentiles to produce their profits. The Gentile can be easily fooled into jettisoning culture for profit, and so it has been and so it goes.

    Subverting the Disney Legacy – How Michael Eisner Has Transformed the Magic Kingdom

    Because Eisner and the others who run the motion picture and television industries are able to shape the public’s barely conscious basic assumptions about life and society, thereby profoundly influencing the thinking and actions of millions, they wield greater power than even our elected lawmakers.

    A lust for profits does not adequately explain the social-cultural agenda of Eisner and the others who control the American media. Rather, they seem driven by priorities that are fundamentally hostile to this nation’s most vital traditions and basic values.

    Precisely because the Eisners of Hollywood and New York beguilingly pose as friends, they are more insidious, and ultimately more dangerous, than even a military threat from a foreign power.

    Eisner’s transformation of Disney parallels, and contributes to, the cultural, social and political transformation of the United States as a whole. Like America’s political leaders, Eisner and his Disney colleagues reassuringly display familiar symbols and trademarks from an earlier era, exploiting reputations and good-will painstakingly built up over decades. Those who patronize Disney are reassured that such beloved symbols as Mickey Mouse and Snow White are still in place, just as millions of credulous Americans are reassured about the future of the United States because such icons as the American flag and the US Constitution are still in place. But in each case, the spirit that gave life to these venerable symbols has been driven out by a very different one — a spirit that has not yet dared to show its real face, or speak its real name.

    • James Howard Kunstler January 28, 2014 at 1:08 pm #

      Dave writes: “For Libertarianism to survive and thrive, Jewish contrived and foisted homosexuality must not be tolerated and so Boetticher, who represented this Jewish poison pill….”

      That was a scurrilous remark, Dave. You’re banned.

    • James Howard Kunstler January 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm #

      Lord Blaby writes “The Gentile doesn’t think like the Jew; the Jew knows how to maintain his/her culture and get the Gentiles to produce their profits. The Gentile can be easily fooled into jettisoning culture for profit, and so it has been and so it goes.”

      Another scurrilous remark….
      Lord Blaby of Lawson is writing under the same IP as “Dave” so this person is also banned for commenting under more than one identity.

      • CancelMyCard January 29, 2014 at 8:06 pm #

        Bully for you James.

        This racist has polluted this commentary long enough.

        Banning this person’s drivel is a boon to all of us here.

  57. Florida Power January 28, 2014 at 10:00 am #

    AJMUSTE slobbers all over himself praising The President’s bold call to secure loose nuclear material. I confess I missed it somehow. Must have been so transparent as to have been invisible. Curiosity piqued I did a “loose nukes” quick search and discovered some gems on the HuffPo

    Indeed, there was a Loose Nukes Beer Summit and everybody felt good. Update from USA Today reportage in 2012 states that security has been improved and so forth but much more needs to be done. Nevertheless chances are now some local yokels (code for racist white militia) will be less likely to get their paws on the isotope du jour wending its way northward through the porous Mexican border. So we can all sleep about 39% easier tonight. Hail Caesar!

    Adjusting the search terms slightly the following also from the HuffPo made the top of the list:


    The author is with the Union of Concerned Scientists. The article deals mainly with the NSSA – National Nuclear Security Administration – which is part of the Department of Energy. Apparently they have plans to upgrade the arsenal and spend a lot of money in the process.

    This must have been developing entirely outside the view of The President, who I’m sure would be shocked to learn that gambling was going on in here.

    Get Ready for Hilary.

  58. Florida Power January 28, 2014 at 10:04 am #

    The proofreader has been flogged.

  59. beantownbill. January 28, 2014 at 10:31 am #

    Lord Blabymouth, I laugh at your powerless and ineptitude. Go ahead, spew hate, but please refrain from castigating Jews because you can’t get it up. They’re not responsible for your tiny, useless pecker.

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    • Q. Shtik January 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm #

      “I laugh at your powerless and ineptitude” – Bean


    • Janos Skorenzy January 28, 2014 at 4:07 pm #

      Yeah Ok, gloat. But the article he posted was a good one. Did you read it? A number of prominent Jews have admitted the huge Jewish role in the subversion of America and their Leadership in the Grievance Coalition. Michael Medved, Henry Makow, and Laurence Auster are a few names that spring to mind. Here’s a superb summary of some of Laurence Auster’s statements and views over the years.


      In other words, you don’t have to feel like you are betraying your people if you publicly criticize what many of them are doing. You might be saving them. Ever think of it that way?

      Btw, I too had reservations about Blabby even as he tried to be my ally. I got the feeling, based on his general mockery, that he may not have been sincere but only trying to cause chaos. Perhaps that’s why he’s gone and I’m still here?

      The article reaffirms my point about the Judafication of Harvard. He does give a lower number than the other article – a still outrageous factor of 15. Even when Jews might have been discriminated against in Harvard admissions, they still were allowed in at more than their percentage of the population. The WASP order never discriminated like the new Jewish one does. And again, I know many Non-Jews are involved: the price of admission is betrayal of their own people – OBVIOUSLY.

      • beantownbill. January 28, 2014 at 6:32 pm #

        I’m not gloating, Janos. I got sick and tired of hearing, as Jim said, scurrilous remarks from him, so I got testy. I, myself, believe it or not, really don’t want to “push” my Jewishness. I think it’s wise to keep a low profiler. But – I won’t back away from an anti-Jewish fight if I am pushed into It. Maybe for that reason I don’t generally like people who always seem to push Jewish culture when in a mixed (religion-wise) crowd. Personally, I’ve never liked Dershowitz because he’s too liberal for my taste. BTW, I was at a party in Cambridge with him about 35 years ago. I think I annoyed him greatly because he was after a very pretty woman who I was attracted to as well, and as I was in my womanizing phase at that time, I kept interfering with his attempts to pick up this woman.

        I may regret saying this, but I do appreciate your restraint in your last post. Being moderate isn’t so bad, eh?

        • BackRowHeckler January 28, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

          Bill, you are a man of honor.


  60. ajmuste January 28, 2014 at 12:58 pm #

    “A lust for profits does not adequately explain the social-cultural agenda of Eisner and the others who control the American media. Rather, they seem driven by priorities that are fundamentally hostile to this nation’s most vital traditions and basic values.” — Blaby

    Blaby, in the entire essay you posted I did not see any evidence of hostile priorities or anything undermining our “vital traditions and basic values.” It is not even clear what the point is from what you posted.

    It couldn’t be “a lust for profits.” That is the topic JHK has chosen this week. That is the prevailing economic system at work in many parts of the world, including the USA. That is capitalism. The meth trade is no more than consenting adults engaging in capitalism. The drug trade is the epitome of capitalism, an easy way to make big profits fast and accumulate wealth. Lust for profits is the American way.

  61. James Howard Kunstler January 28, 2014 at 1:04 pm #

    Dave writes: “For Libertarianism to survive and thrive, Jewish contrived and foisted homosexuality must not be tolerated and so Boetticher, who represented this Jewish poison pill….”

    That was a scurrilous remark, Dave. You’re banned.

  62. Q. Shtik January 28, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

    “Mike had scrouples.” – Dog


    • K-Dog January 28, 2014 at 9:15 pm #

      ‘o’ well

  63. Florida Power January 28, 2014 at 5:50 pm #

    Earlier today I responded to ajmuste on Obama and loose nukes. In the interest of balance I proposed to tell the rest of the story. I think there’s a chance I was shunted into limbo as others were banned at roughly the same time. My post, which I thought not particularly aggressive, was “awaiting moderation”. A typo-correcting comment WAS posted, but lacks context. Anyway, I have corrected the typo and made a few other edits for brevity:

    @ajmuste betraying partisan admiration calls attention to The President’s bold call to secure loose nuclear material. I confess I missed it somehow. Must have been so transparent as to have been invisible. Curiosity piqued I did a “loose nukes” quick search and discovered some gems on the HuffPo:
    (Durst Threat Level rankings are worth the ctrl-click.)

    Indeed, there was a Loose Nukes Beer Summit and everybody felt good. Update from USA Today reportage in 2012 states that security has been improved and so forth but much more needs to be done. Nevertheless chances are now some local yokels (code for racist white militia) will be less likely to get their paws on the isotope du jour wending its way northward through the porous Mexican border. So we can all sleep about 39% easier tonight. Hail Caesar!

    Adjusting the search terms slightly the following also from the HuffPo made the top of the list:


    The author is with the Union of Concerned Scientists. The article deals mainly with the NNSA: National Nuclear Security Administration, which is part of the Department of Energy. Apparently they have plans to upgrade the arsenal and spend a lot of money in the process.

    This must have been developing entirely outside the view of The President, who I’m sure would be shocked, shocked to learn that gambling was going on in there.

    Get Ready for Hilary.

  64. Pucker January 28, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

    Horemheb wants to know when Obama will deliver his State of the Union?


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  65. beantownbill. January 28, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

    @ Janos:

    I don’t know why you persist in going by percentages of population to determine fairness. At 2% of the population, most anything Jews do get involved in will be greater than their population percentage. Isn’t a college education supposed to be primarily based on achievement and intellect? Well, you yourself have stated that Jews have a relatively high IQ, so I would expect them to have a high percentage of attendance at one of the most prestigious universities. I don’t know off the top of my head the American population percentage of Chinese, but I bet their attendance at MIT is disproportionate, yet I don’t hear you commenting on that.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 12:53 am #

      As I said before, are Jews 31% smarter than other Whites? Or 31% harder working? Obviously ethnic nepotism is at work. The fix is in. Clearly foreign students are being favored over Native Whites at MIT as well. That may be for both politically correct reasons and also to gain contracts and contracts in China.

  66. jim e January 28, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    Breaking Bad… The love affair has been temporarily suspended

  67. BackRowHeckler January 28, 2014 at 8:56 pm #

    Pete Seeger is toes up, to the chagrin of lefties everywhere. I suppose you can forgive him for being a communist and lying about it, but what about shilling for Stalin long after Stalin’s enormous crimes became well known everywhere? Seeger was also a big fan of Castro, Mao and Uncle Ho. There were not too many mass murdering communist thugs. Pete Seeger didn’t take a cotton to.

    One place where Seeger really blazed a trail is after communism went down he immediately switched over to environmentalism, one of the first, if not the first, reds turning green. Many others followed. Another noted communist who went in big later on for ‘saving planet earth’ is Nelson Mandela’. ‘Saving planet earth’ has always been a good and surefire grift for shaking down gullible and well meaning do gooders for a little swag. It never misses.


  68. ajmuste January 28, 2014 at 11:10 pm #

    “The WASP order never discriminated like the new Jewish one does.” — Janos

    I guess I missed where Jew used dogs and fire hoses and bombings and lynchings and drive-by shootings and midnight cross burnings.

    What Jew ever stood in the door of a university to block admission like WASP George Wallace?


    And you say “the WASP order never discriminated”? Is memory failing?

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 12:55 am #

      No you had the statement right the first time you said it. Your memory seemed to fail by the time you got to the end of your post.

    • hineshammer January 29, 2014 at 5:42 am #

      Vlad’s memory fails him when it’s convenient.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 6:42 am #

        As Rabbi Hillel said, if I am not for me who will be? But if I am only for me, what am I?

        Or as Treebeard said, I am not on anybody’s side, because no one is on mine.

        To be for one’s own People is the beginning (not the end) of Social Sanity. Thus Whites are insane. Jews are gloriously sane but obviously lacking on the 2nd proposition.

        This is my extrapolation – and a sincere one. I have no idea if Rabbi Hillel would have agreed with it. From what I know of Ancient Rabbis, he would not have, seeing morality as something that was only owed to other Jews. The modern Reform Jews have begun to go beyond this of course.

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 11:46 am #

        It not only fails him, he will also fabricate memories out of thin air when it’s convenient.

  69. ajmuste January 29, 2014 at 1:19 am #

    BRH, where do you come up with Pete Seeger “lying” about being a communist. He admitted he had once been a member, then left the party and denounced it. He didn’t lie about it or deny it. It is not something to be ashamed of to have ideals or belong to a political party. But McCarthy was on a witch hunt with the HUAC hearings.


    “I decline to discuss, under compulsion, where I have sung, and who has sung my songs, and who else has sung with me, and the people I have known. I love my country very dearly, and I greatly resent this implication that some of the places that I have sung and some of the people that I have known, and some of my opinions, whether they are religious or philosophical, or I might be a vegetarian, make me any less of an American. I will tell you about my songs, but I am not interested in telling you who wrote them, and I will tell you about my songs, and I am not interested in who listened to them.”

    Seeger was later indicted by a federal jury on 10 counts of contempt of Congress. He was convicted on all counts and sentenced to 10 concurrent one-year prison terms, which he never served. In 1962, the convictions were overturned.

    One of the more memorable exchanges in an extraordinary and historic piece of testimony went this way:

    MR. SEEGER: I feel that in my whole life I have never done anything of any conspiratorial nature and I resent very much and very deeply the implication of being called before this Committee that in some way because my opinions may be different from yours, or yours, Mr. Willis, or yours, Mr. Scherer, that I am any less of an American than anybody else. I love my country very deeply, sir.

    CHAIRMAN WALTER: Why don’t you make a little contribution toward preserving its institutions?

    MR. SEEGER: I feel that my whole life is a contribution. That is why I would like to tell you about it.

    CHAIRMAN WALTER: I don’t want to hear about it.

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    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 4:52 am #

      Of course. Communists don’t have to hide anymore: even at that time they were well on their way towards becoming the Establishment via the Democratic Party. That it’s out in the open doesn’t make it any less horrible. The cheery music of the Marxist Minstrels was a perfect cover when they needed it however. They were gifted musicians and really believed in all that crap.

      It’s impossible to debate these people anymore since they refuse to admit what they really believe and the plans they really support. They lost faith in ordinary people long ago and we have lost all respect for them. They must be defeated and they will be – or else millions of us are headed for the Gulags as Bill Ayers predicted.

    • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 11:52 am #

      Pete Seeger – “Forever Young”

      • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

        How bout this land is your land, this land is my land. Now what does that mean? Do you think these idiots ever even asked themselves? No, it sounds good and that’s enough.

        For most people that sound like private property. But for Stalinists like Pete, it might mean something very different. What does it mean to you? Who knows? Why would you tell the truth? Why would we bother to believe you?

        Remember that movie the Killing Fields? The Comrade says, “ONCA (or whatever the name was) no longer trusts the people. So I no longer trust them – and they no longer trust me.” He ends up getting a bullet in the head. Faith and Trust are delicate things, dog. Communists take a sledge hammer to them and then wonder why everything they touch turns to shit.

  70. Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 6:17 am #

    The President’s own economic advisor says there are three job seekers for every job. So what’s the answer? Obama and the Elite of both Parties say the answer is Amnesty, more work visas, and TRIPLING the legal immigration to Three Million a year.

    Are they Mad or just Evil? It’s the Cloward Piven strategy of overloading the system until it collapses. And the Republicans are on board for the most part. What a sad time. Americans have lost their Nation. And yes, it’s their own fault. They didn’t believe the people who warned them – mocking the Conspiracy Theorists as wearing “Tin Hats” or calling the John Birch Society a bunch of kooks or “Nazis”. And now the oh so clever fools call the Tea Party, “Tea Baggers”. Same old foolish, ignorant Pride. Hubris in a word.

    Here’s a glimmer of sanity from one law maker. But it’s very, very late in the Day. Amnesty means disaster: starvation and violence in the streets – perhaps leading to Civil War.


    • BackRowHeckler January 29, 2014 at 8:42 am #

      Its already too late. Come to New England and see what our cities look like. You can walk many blocks without hearing a word of english. Its like visiting a foreign, 3rd world country.

      To the elite — those at Davos, in Washington, at the State Capitol,in the universities — it doesn’t seem to matter what the actual realities are on the ground, in our cities and towns. I get the feeling they don’t really care about the US as it has existed but view the country as some vast social and economic experiment, This attitude permits the political and business elite in DC and New York to jerk us around with impunity.

      This is why I like JHKs books so much; what he espouses is a sort of Jeffersonian patriotism, grounded in stark reality.


  71. Pucker January 29, 2014 at 8:16 am #

    “It is every man’s solemn duty to pray and to fight.”

    – General Stonewall Jackson

  72. ajmuste January 29, 2014 at 11:01 am #

    “This is why I like JHKs books so much; what he espouses is a sort of Jeffersonian patriotism, grounded in stark reality.” — JHK

    Stark reality, BRH? Waiting for Godot, are you?

    Jeffersonian patriotism, BRH?

    Jefferson was a Unitarian. You do not share Unitarianism.

    Jefferson was a Liberal. You abhor liberals.

    Jefferson loved all things French. You eat Freedom Fries.

    Jefferson owned and read the Qu’ran. You think Islam is a threat.

    Jefferson published his own version of the Holy Bible.

    Jefferson was open-minded, a rational humanist.

    Jefferson supported the three-fifths clause and owned slaves.

    You, sir, are no Jeffersonian patriot.

    • BackRowHeckler January 29, 2014 at 12:08 pm #

      I’m a Teddy Roosevelt patriot.

      As far as Samuel Becket goes, I could never figure out what the guy was driving at. Could you?


    • Pucker January 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

      Ajmuste wrote: “Jefferson published his own version of the Holy Bible.”

      What do you mean?

      Are you suggesting that the Great Thomas Jefferson was a blasphemer?!

  73. I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 11:19 am #

    A poster on last week implied that since approximately 97% of the scientific establishment (this statistic is doubtful) concurs with the IPCC’s claims about AGW, it therefore must be true that catastrophic climate change, or climate change in general, is caused predominantly by global warming from humans producing too much CO2. It’s called Consensus Science and it’s a transparent appeal to authority…to the genius of the crowd (or Elite who rule the crowd in this case). It sets a very dangerous precedent for those who use such tactics. It may be an effective strategy that’s currently in your favor, but when other forces change the momentum and your side is no longer in power, that very same precedent can and will be used to annihilate you. Enjoy your fleeting moment of hegemony while it lasts. The blowback from it will be fierce and unprecedented.


    Based on this policy, the president made plain the actions he expects people to take: “letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it’s inconvenient.”2 In context, “listening to what they tell us” means more than paying attention or seeking to understand–it means obeying what is said. It is much clearer now that what Mr. Obama meant when he said he would “restore science to its rightful place” in his inaugural speech was really unchallengeable dominance of an amoral scientific elite over the public and any dissenting scientific views.

    This is in keeping with what many elite scientists deeply believe, as reflected in the Scientific American article “Scientists Know Better Than You–Even When They’re Wrong.”14 In it, science sociologist Harry Collins illustrated the “hubris” of ordinary people questioning scientists: “Parents believe that even though doctors assure them that vaccines are safe, those doctors may be wrong. Therefore, the parents think they are entitled to throw their own judgment into the mix.” Will parents remain entitled to their own judgment once science is fully restored to its “rightful” place?

    This tyranny of the experts is not just a future possibility. In January, the Texas State Board of Education debated whether the teaching of evolution’s weaknesses should be retained in Texas public schools’ science curriculum. Board members who sided against teaching weaknesses “cited the need to respect the work of the experts, according to the [Dallas] Morning News, with Mary Helen Berlanga commenting, ‘We need to stay with our experts and respect what they have requested us to do’….Similarly, Rick Agosto was quoted in the San Antonio Express-News (January 23, 2009) as saying, ‘I have to consider the experts.’ “15 Even public officials who lack the proper credentials must submit to the judgment of elite scientists and show proper deference to their greater knowledge.

    • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 11:58 am #

      I may be the poster to whom you are referring. Yes, the 97% figure may be doubtful – but only in the sense that for it to be definitively proven accurate, a poll must be taken of every single scientist in the so-called “scientific establishment” and the results tabulated. Obviously that’s not going to happen. If you want to split hairs, let me state that of scientists who expressed their belief in global warming, the overwhelming majority are in the affirmative.

      Your negative statements about science consensus shows me you don’t really understand what science is, or if you do, have been burnt by it. Without consensus, science couldn’t advance. It doesn’t mean consensus is always right. When science opens up a new direction, which it always does, future actions are based on what most scientists believe at the time. If the consensus is wrong, at some point in the future that area of science will break down, the error will be exposed and corrected. Yes, some scientists have suffered over the ages because the mainstream scientists refused to listen. But in almost all cases, truth ultimately won out somewhere in the future, and the correct, but disgraced scientist’s reputation restored.

      Regarding evolution, it

      • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 12:03 pm #

        Oops. Regarding evolution, it is just about the most assured principle in all of science. The only thing left to argue is minor details, so yes, the layman should defer to the expert.

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 12:12 pm #

        So you are ajmuste as well?

        • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 1:41 pm #

          Moi? Of course not. I am one – BTB.

          That’s how science works, like constructing a building, one brick on top of another.

    • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

      “Some of the worst warriors in Warrior Land are global warming deniers.”

      Strange days, snow in the south and I quote ajmuste.

      But I prefer the “tyranny of the experts” to the tyranny of trolls. So I quote one to counter the babble of another.

      What next? Will pigs fly?

      • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm #

        Funny you mention it. Just yesterday, I was walking down the street, when the person in front of me got plastered with a giant turd right on the head. Looking up, I saw a pig flying away grunting hilariously.

        • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 12:16 pm #

          He caught the ‘swine flew‘ he did!

          • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

            Clever! Lol,

    • sauerkraut January 29, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

      Just in case anyone might read this post and take it seriously, I thought I should respond.

      I-heart does have one thing right: “appeal to authority” is the name of a logical error. What he has wrong, is that “appeal to authority” means something else, to wit, appeal to an authority bereft of expertise.

      Therefore, not only is the consensus of the scientific community NOT “a transparent appeal to authority”, it is the exact opposite.

      What makes I-heart’s pathology interesting is that he goes on to make the same logical error as the one he thinks he has exposed. He does this when he argues that ignorance (authority bereft of expertise) is the proper basis for an informed decision, and should have more weight than a scientific consensus (authority based on expertise, peer review and hypothesis rejection).

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

        No, you’re wrong. Expertise is euphemism for authority. Low-level enforcers such as yourself in Nazi Germany made the same argument as you. Their scientists were experts and there was an overwhelming consensus of their contrived theories. If you had doubts or were skeptical, you had to keep it to yourself which was difficult because the Nazis had a way of peering deep into your soul by reading your body language.

        • sauerkraut January 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm #

          I rest my case.

        • sauerkraut January 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm #

          Perhaps I should give you a reference, in case you wish to learn from your mistakes. That reference is,

          “Straight and Crooked Thinking” by Robert H. Thouless (1932)

          The logical error, “The appeal to mere authority” is considered on pages 100-106, and again on page 233 (“Dishonest Trick #19”).

  74. I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 11:43 am #

    Atlanta’s in gridlock for the second day in a row from an inch of snow. The entire highway system can’t move. It’s out of control. We’re out of control. If you need emergency care, you’re shit out of luck. I love it. It’s like watching a good flood.


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    • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 12:06 pm #

      Are you mentally ill? You enjoy witnessing the prospect of people suffering because the system isn’t effective?

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

        It’s not mental illness. It’s L’appel du vide. The french aren’t afraid to admit it. Americans make it a mental illness like everything else. Go figure. Not surprising.

        • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 1:44 pm #

          Please quote that in English. I never had a continental education, but I did study German.

          • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 1:50 pm #

            Quote it yourself you doofus putz. I’m a Holocaust survivor and I don’t appreciate you disparaging my suffering with your cold and indifferent comments about Consensus Science. The Nazis had plenty of Consensus Science and it nearly genocided all my people. Spew your filth and hate somewhere else. You have no respect and you’re not to be taken seriously. Just because you have bipolar doesn’t mean the rest of us should have to suffer you.

  75. devon44 January 29, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    There are lots of signs of the Crumble picking up speed – the UPS and Fedex fiasco at Christmas, the complete shutdown of the south by more snow than they have seen in a generation, and lots of ads by oil companies that basically admit that even to keep up with energy demand is going to be a challenge. And of course, the lies told by the corporations and the government (together: The Machine) are getting even larger and sillier.

    JHK – I assume you have read some Derrick Jensen – what do you think about his ideas? I’m writing a novel set about 10 years before WMBH and Witch of Hebron, and I have a young character that asks: ‘what happened?’

    I found it difficult to reconcile my Kunstlerian and Jensonian worldviews… you both agree on the fact that a collapse is mathematically unavoidable, but you disagree with what you think the world will look like afterwards.

    • ozone January 29, 2014 at 5:01 pm #

      I would encourage you to check out this missive from Mr. Greer, in which he invites his readers to send in their post-Crumbling short stories. (The particulars/parameters are explained near the end of the post.) He had put together a published anthology last year on the same topic. What the hey, it may not garner you any monies, but if your story is accepted, it will be published and it may help solidify some of the main themes for your novel.


      Happy scribbling! :o)

      • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 12:09 pm #

        Thanks ozone I just might do that!

  76. devon44 January 29, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    Good lord, what is it with all the discussions about Jews? The one thing I am sure of is that the ‘elites’ are slaves to the machine they have built as much as the rest of the world is. The machine needs to feed and grow, and they will do everything they can to keep feeding it until that is no longer possible. I think we can ascribe all actions of the elites in the past couple hundred years to pure greed, short sightedness, and hubris.

    But there is a minority of posters on here who seem to think ‘the jews’ have some sort of master plan.

    Come on, really? I’m allergic to conspiracies. And unless these elites invent cold fusion in the next five years. I don’t see how their actions could possibly affect them in a positive way, any more than it will affect us.

    If this is all part of some ‘master plan,’ then why are they destroying their own ecosystems and resource bases? Wouldnt they have engineered a collapse long before now, when there was still a chance that the eccological damage could still be repaired?

    • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm #

      Finally a rational comment. I agree with everything you said.

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 2:02 pm #

        I agree devon44, some focus entirely too much on us Jews. I’m a Holocaust survivor so believe me when I say I’m particularly sensitive to the issue. But, all Jews are not created equal or equally. Despite claims that we are a unified culture it’s hardly that. We’re as diversified as gentiles. There are good Jews and there are bad Jews. The bad Jews are really bad and they give the rest of us a bad name. The bad Jews paved the way for our possible annihilation at the hands of the Nazi butchers. Bad Jews are doing the same thing today; they’re paving the way for a pogrom of massive proportions that will make the Holocaust look like a picnic. I try to explain this to the younger generations of Jews but they’ve been brainwashed by the bad Jews and their propaganda. Like everyone else, we Jews make choices and our choices have consequences. For example, I make it a point in my life not to favor Jews over any other persuasion in every decision I make, but many Jews don’t do the same. There are not a few Jews, although not necessarily bad, who select Jews over all others. They do this at their peril. We haven’t learned the proper lessons from the Holocaust and are repeating many of the same mistakes. This deeply saddens me because my time left on this mortal plane is short and I had hoped to see lessons learned before I passed but I now see it won’t happen.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

        So no Jewish super majority at Harvard then. So much for the facts. You can’t be trusted.

        • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

          Who cares about Harvard? Do you somehow believe that a Harvard degree will have any value 10, 20 years from now? Unless Harvard starts teaching blacksmithing, permaculture, and coppicing, I don’t see how the fact that there are a lot of jews attending that school will help them in future generations.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

      Not to believe in Conspiracies is more than pathetic at this point – it’s just desperate stupidity.

      The Founding Fathers believed in Conspiracies and in fact were Conspirators themselves. How on Earth did you miss this?

      So how are greed, short sightedness, and hubris not compatible with Conspiracy? Your mind is untrained.

      “the Jews” – like they don’t exist? They are the most organized people on Earth – and the richest.

      Again, if you knew the first thing about it you would know that the Elite are obsessed with Ecology and desire to drop the World’s population to under a billion – and lock ordinary people up in the cities. Agenda 21? Hello?

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 5:31 pm #

        Convert to Judaism


        Let go of jealousy with the help of self hypnosis and hypnotherapy!

        Shit or get off the pot. I don’t know where your grudge comes from but your resentment and covetousness is making the rest of us ill. Take your resentment and spite somewhere else. Enough of your endless backbiting. Become a rabbi or find some happiness already. There are women who actually prefer those less well endowed you know. Find one.

        And take your pig friend with you. He is no more real than you are.

      • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

        haha yes, I’m saying that jews ‘don’t exist’. How ridiculous.

        Yes yes, my friend, I am familiar with Agenda 21, as I am with Infowars, Alex Jones, and the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I could go on.

        I was like you once. I went WAY down the rabbit hole.

        My ‘untrained’ mind must have been rattled, because the only conclusion I could come to was that yes, the military industrial complex does, in fact, exist. And no, the jews are not all lizard people beneath their skin like David Icke says – a madman if there ever was one.

        Let’s try to use logic here. If the UN and ‘the jews’ are obsessed with ecology etc., then why don’t they shut it down now? What are they waiting for? It would be easy enough to use a false flag cyber attack – and poof! The grid goes down for a couple of years, at least.

        Are they waiting until the oceans are dead, the sky is black with ash, and all of the species are gone?

        It just doesn’t make sense. The system is so vulnerable right now that it would be easy for the ;elites’ to bring it down now. So why don’t they? What are they waiting for?

    • ozone January 29, 2014 at 5:05 pm #

      …A minority of posters creating the majority of the Sturm und Drang…

    • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 12:07 pm #

      haha, I’m suck a JHK butt kisser. “Allergic to conspiracies?” “Reorient our way of life?”

      I’m starting to sound just like him…

      JHK – full disclosure – I stole the line “and the music will include the sound of our own voices’ from one of your columns around Christmas for my book.

      I will send you a check.

  77. I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 12:47 pm #

    Here’s some more on the craziness in Atlanta.


    Notice how misleading the video report is. This isn’t about the weather. It’s about what Jim harps on about week after week, or at least one of his harps; an out-of-control car culture. This is about too many people packed into too small of a place with too many cars all out on the roads at once. Nothing will be learned and nothing will be gained. It will just become even more ubiquitous and commonplace and people will desensitize and acclimate to the new “normal.”

    • devon44 January 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm #

      I noticed one interview with a woman who was stuck in traffic. She said that she had to be in the car for 16 hours to get the four miles to her home.

      The average person, even one who is obese, can walk four miles without too much trouble.

      I wonder: did she ever even think of walking?

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 1:21 pm #

        For many people, their automobiles are an extension of themselves so for some it would be like abandoning a vital organ to walk home. It’s this American dysfunctional relationship with the automobile that’s to blame. Autos are like children now. Some people treat their autos better than they treat their children or their spouse if they have either of the ladder.

        Baby – Nationwide Insurance

        • devon44 January 29, 2014 at 1:44 pm #

          That baby commercial is FREAKING CREEPY!!!

        • BackRowHeckler January 29, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

          I’ve known perfectly healthy people who drive theirs cars to pick up mail at the end their driveway, a distance of about 100 ft.


          • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

            Some people walk their dogs by driving and holding the leash out the window.

        • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

          Yes the car is their exo-skeleton. How can you leave it and just be a soft and squishy real person? It’s also their baby. How can you leave your exo-skeleton-blaby on the road?

          • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 3:35 pm #

            Yes, these people are a curious case. But what’s the final solution? Ban all automobiles? Make a rule that people can have only one exo-skeleton and you can’t use anyone elses? Is it kosher for us to make scurrilous remarks about people and their automobiles? There are more questions than answers and yet the painstakingly steady march to the ever-illusive abyss (void) continues. Anticipation.

  78. volodya January 29, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

    What was said by a commenter is that Amerindians have “white” DNA from very ancient times. When skin color is involved the tribal drums start beating.

    Skeletal remains were found in south-central Siberia near Lake Baikal (Ma’lta), from approx 24,000 yrs ago. Some DNA was extracted and analyzed. As far as “white-ness” goes, my understanding is that genes for white skin weren’t found.

    But the DNA sheds some light on the origins on Amerindian peoples.This Siberian DNA has significant affinity with modern Amerindian DNA.

    It also had significant affinity with ancient Eurasian DNA from people living much further west in Europe or western Asia.

    The Siberian DNA however doesn’t have much affinity with modern East Asians.

    So this recently discovered Siberian DNA throws more into the Amerindian genetic melting pot. And so modern Amerindians are likely descended from a mix of peoples. This notion is nothing new, nor should it be surprising. There’s more in Amerindian genes than commonality with East Asians.

    In any case, ancient skeletal remains found in the Americas and also examination of living Amerindian populations tells us as much. The fact that crania of some ancient Americans do not resemble East Asian crania may come from populations related to the Lake Baikal folk. According to one study, 14% to 38% of Amerindian DNA may originate from this Siberian population.

    De-pigmentation was likely a relatively recent innovation that spread from a west Asian origin. But this is just a guess. Europeans eventually became white but, even in post glacial Europe (ie 5,000 BC), white skin was apparently not yet pervasive in Europe. People in Europe, like people in India, were brown skinned.

    But the commenter is correct, if you look at people in modern day Siberia, or the Asian ‘stans, they are a mix of East Asian/Caucasian because of migration and intermarriage.

    So people migrate, they inter-marry. It seems that the “racial” composition (as defined primarily by skin coloration) of Eurasia, and the world for that matter, changed over the millennia. Nothing particularly astonishing there. Mutations happen, the world’s environment changes and so you’d expect some adaptive responses. Go back about 40,000 years and you probably won’t see any “white” people anywhere.

    My understanding is if you want to find folk that most resemble stone age Siberians, look to Australia’s Aborigines. For those that most resemble later stone age Siberians look to Amazonian Indians. Modern Sardinians most resemble central European neolithic farmers.

    But all these assertions await new evidence, new archeological finds. Trying to find human root stocks from modern day genetics and human remains may be a fun pass-time, but IMO given the scarcity of human remains with read-able DNA you can only come up with some glimmers of what happened way back when. You get at best a highly incomplete picture. Enough on race.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

      Kennewick Man is neither Indian or East Asian, but a long headed White or Proto-White. Or as you put it, a “white”.

      The PC suck ups gave the skeleton to the local tribe that claimed him and buried the evidence. Despicable.

      Race is far more than skin color. The Aborigines have tiny brains and IQ’s in the 60’s. The Neanderthals were White skinned so you’re wrong on that as well.

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 3:29 pm #

        And your brain is full of shit.

        • Looongerbeard January 29, 2014 at 10:16 pm #

          Well spoken!

  79. ajmuste January 29, 2014 at 2:07 pm #

    One of the strongest forms of scientific evidence is meta-analysis.

    Meta-analysis of dozens of studies on raising minimum wage concludes that no significant job loss results from increasing the minimum wage.


    There are dozens of examples to prove raising the minimum wage does not result in job loss. On the contrary, it reduces employee absenteeism and reduces employee turnover. Raising the minimum wage therefore increases productivity and organizational efficiency.

    We have comparative data to support raising the minimum wage. For example, when New Jersey raised minimum wages but Pennsylvania did not, the effects of the wage increase on employment levels were negligible or even positive.

    Not to mention that when more people have more money businesses will benefit. If people don’t have money, they won’t buy more and can’t invest in the economic marketplace.

    Raising the minimum wage is good morally, and good economically.

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    • devon44 January 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm #

      It doesn’t really matter, does it? We could lower the minimum wage to 1 penny or raise it to a million dollars, but it can’t create energy or heal the damage we have done for the environment. It can’t erase the moray decay of our country or heal the broken communities all over the world.

      The Crumble is fully underway now – and such small issues are meant to divide us further. We should all be trying to figure out how to reorient our lives, rebuild our local economies, and try to ensure that the world we leave for our children isn’t nothing but ASHES.

      We should NOT be wasting our time talking about such a stupid and pointless issue as the minimum wage! Your studies and statistics make me sick. They are meaningless in the context of what we are facing now.

      Talk about throwing deck chairs off the Titanic.. sheesh, what a waste of time to even discuss it.

      • ozone January 29, 2014 at 5:13 pm #

        To debate the inane is to waste ones’ time and energy best used elsewhere.

        • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 5:36 pm #

          But to involve us with the inane is part of the plan. Millions out of work, souls rudderless in the sea of life. At a minimum everyone who wants one should have a wage. As you say, keep the powder dry.

  80. Gherry January 29, 2014 at 2:16 pm #

    Possibly worth noting that the first over the counter anti depressant in USA was an identical molecular structure to what’s known today as the street drug crystal meth

    Like all drugs it’s a public health issue but sometimes we fail to see how much of a personal solution it is.

    I think in general over time we’ll see how ‘meth’ and all other addictions have their vast majority of pointers toward childhood trauma-obviously time secrecy shame and social taboo will keep this hidden in large as nice people often avoid such issues(although more nice people nowadays are aware of external shafting in politics and finance but never the childhood taboo)

    I know Jim mentioned few short years back in his blog about the oddness of WW1 -it would perhaps be clear though that the subservient nature of the German folks of that time and more crystallising toward WW2 Nazi regime also has it’s roots in the collectives fear of the symbolic ‘father’ figure

    One interesting study over at the Kaiser Institute in San Diego who serve health patients is their ‘trauma informed’ questionnaire about seemingly biomedical issues-they observed that the question alone form being pinpointed and often the first time victims of mild-extreme childhood abuse survivors(many even still highly functioning) alone resulted in a decrease of around 35% in doctors office visits the following year.

    • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

      It goes much deeper than just a fear of the ‘father’ figure. Here’s an excellent link to a psychological history that led to the rise of the Nazis, WWII and the Holocaust. Being a Holocaust survivor, this comes as close to the crux of it as anything I’ve ever experienced or read.


      Because early traumas are imprinted indelibly in the early fear system — the amygdalan “psychotic core” of the brain — every detail of traumatic German and Austrian childrearing was restaged during the Holocaust. As Jews were locked into the concentration camps, they were told: “This is a death camp….You’ll be eaten by lice; you’ll rot in your own shit, you filthy shitface.” 86 As Germans and Austrians enduring their own filthy swaddling bands as infants, Jews were also made to live in their own filth, forced to lie in barracks “awash with urine and feces,” forced to eat their own feces, and finally died in showers “covered all over with their excrement.” 87 German toilet training was even restaged in precise detail, such as by having the ghetto latrine supervised by a “guard with a big clock, whom the Germans dressed as a rabbi and called the ‘shit-master.’” 88 Jews on the way to concentration camps were tightly crammed into cattle cars, in the dark, having to defecate and urinate on themselves just like they were as infants. The cattle car trips and the endless “death marches” of Jews restaged the endless movement from family to family of turn-of-century German and Austrian children. Even the beating of Jews would often restage the hallowed German practice of insisting that the child not cry out — so the parent wouldn’t feel guilty — with Jews in camps being rewarded with some food if they didn’t cry out while being beaten by their guards.89 Every abusive practice of childrearing at the turn of the century that was imprinted in their early fear network, their “psychotic core,” was released like a time bomb. The Judenfrage was transparently a Kinderfrage restaged.

  81. nsa January 29, 2014 at 3:01 pm #

    Pop quiz time, all you pc boys and girls: which is the most defaming epithet? a) cannibal
    b) pedophile
    c) racist
    d) anti-semite
    e) homophobe
    f) nazi
    g) misogynist
    h) republican

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm #

      They are all the same. To be one of them is to be all of them. Google the Tavistock Institute. They specialize in such mind fuckery. Another good one is making the Conservative States into the “Red States” – as if Red isn’t the color of Communism, and Communism’s pimping little sister, Liberalism.

    • Karah January 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm #


      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 9:25 pm #

        Corn pone or regular?

  82. I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 3:48 pm #

    I’ve found that as a Jew, in order to counter the destructive effect of bad Jews, I must be honest with myself, about myself, and about the history of my people. Jews throughout history have done many great, admirable and noble things, but we’ve also done some awful and sordid things, and it serves no constructive purpose to hide this negative history. The Jewish archives should be open to all and Jews, whether they be good, bad or indifferent, should welcome the spotlight into the entirety of historical Jewry. An excellent book that underscores a not so pleasant episode of Jewish history is
    The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews.
    I’m a Jew and a Holocaust survivor and I had no idea about any of this before I read this book. It hasn’t set well with most of my people and they get upset with me when I tell them I’ve read it and would like to discuss it. In fact, as the following comment from Amazon reveals, a distinguished Black professor was taken to task and maybe even fired for referencing it in one of his lectures. Also, it’s been noted in the Amazon comments that the Jewish archives have since been closed to Black academicians as a result of this book. I find this very disconcerting.

    I read the “Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews” about eight years ago when a friend, who is a member of the Nation of Islam, loaned me his copy. I was so impressed with the high level of documentation used in researching this book that I bought my own copy.

    One of the effects of this book has had on the Jewish community is that it is now very difficult for a person of color to obtain entry to Jewish controlled historical archives. It was no doubt embarrassing to have Jewish archives quoted as the sources for the documentation of who owned the majority of slave ships, slave trading companies, and slave auction houses. I can understand why they would condemn this book.

    Dr. Tony Martin, who taught African-American History at Wellesley College in 1993, made the mistake of thinking that he would be protected by the Right of Academic Freedom when he referenced this book while teaching just one of his class lectures. A smear campaign was instigated against him. The Jewish student organization, Hillel, in conjunction with the B’nai B’rith and the ADL, attempted to have Dr. Martin, a Black man of high standards and very respectable academic credentials, fired from his faculty position. I am not sure of the ultimate outcome of the controversy. If interested, you may wish to also read the book, “The Jewish Onslaught”, by Tony Martin.

    • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

      You aren’t a real Jew or a Holocaust survivor. Survivors don’t casually mention they’re survivors. You did in 3 different posts today. Your behavior is very suspect, and I’m going to consider you a CFN troll. You don’t feel like a Jew to me; something’s not right with you.

      I assume you don’t care what I think, but I wanted to out you to the CFN community.

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm #

        Your comment is defaming, slandering and libelous. Please retract it or apologize.

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 5:48 pm #

        I will also add that you’re no different in your behavior than those Nazi butchers. I remember them well uttering the the very same thing as you in their entitled, smug and arrogant way. They were experts (or so they thought in their consensus) on what Jews were and to them us Jews were all the same just as you smugly and arrogantly proclaim all Holocaust survivors are the same. You’re stereotyping just as the Nazis did. If there’s one thing I learned from the Holocaust, it’s not to stereotype. You prove you’ve learned nothing and thus support my earlier points.

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm #

        Yes he blabs on!

        • beantownbill. January 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm #

          K-Dog said:

          Yes he blabs on!

          Hmmm. Ya think? I didn’t consider that. Good point.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm #

      You posting good information but you ruin it by the lies about your identity. Are you trying to smear everyone simultaneously?

      • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 11:32 pm #

        Are you Black? White people and us Jews say you’re, not you. Can you prove I don’t love pork? You can’t, therefore it’s scurrilous of you to claim I’m lying and you’re also being stereotypical by assuming a Jew, nay a Holocaust survivor, doesn’t eat pork let alone love it. My parents died in the concentration camps and my sister and I were adopted by an American Jewish couple. They were atheist academicians and had no reservations about eating pork. We had pork all the time and they were gourmet cooks so I grew to love the other white meat. I had never had pork before coming to America. I still eat it all the time; bacon every morning even though I’m close to ninety. I’ve never bought into the crapola about high cholesterol and heart disease. I’ve had high cholesterol for thirty years now and I’ve always refused the drugs the docs try to prescribe and I still eat bacon and eggs almost every morning.

        I don’t know how many times I have to say this. Holocaust survivors, like Jews, are not created equal or equally. We’re a diverse group of people who shared a common, horrific experience. We all don’t hang out around the diamond district in Manhattan and shout Zell at every elderly, bald, bespectacled, German-looking fellow who walks by.

        I have no proof you’re not a Black vampire, so I would never dare to insult you and claim you’re lying about who you are. I’ve extended respect and courtesy to you initially, but if your scurrilous behavior continues I will be forced to conclude you are of deficient character and I will refrain from extending you any further courtesy and respect. Please be polite. I’m not your friend (although I will be friendly), I’m just some guy on the internet.

        • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 12:53 am #

          I call bullshit on everything you say. Almost 90 my ass! You don’t talk like any 90 year old that I ever met, and I’ve met lots of them. You talk like a much younger person, and don’t tell me you’re so hip that you naturally talk like that. No 90 year old uses the term “new digs”, “crapola” or “weed”. You were adopted after the war? The war ended 69 years ago this May. No survivor was immediately adopted; they had to get back to health, then the adoption process had to proceed. it would have had to be at least 1946 before the adoption took place, 67 years ago. Older children didn’t get adopted, so you would have been no more than 7 or 8 years old then. That would put You are very poor at deception.

          When you make these assertions, ordinarily I would let it go, but when you lie about being a Jew or being in the Holocaust, I’ll call you on it every time I see it.

          Why don’t you drop this handle and start all over again with a new identity – and stop fabricating false stories about a very, very tragic event? You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 12:56 am #

            Correction: that would put you now at 74 or 75, not 90. I’ll add this to my above post: I think you have a serious emotional disorder – you are a congenital, pathological liar.

          • I-Heart Pork January 30, 2014 at 10:22 am #


            You have no right or basis to call bullshit on anyone’s identity until you can prove your own. Yes, I fudged my age a bit…a lot of us older folks do this. You would think we’d want to present ourselves as younger but as you age, the opposite happens…you present yourself as even older than you are. I’m 84. I was born September 24, 1928 in Zolochiv in West Ukraine. My father was a locally admired and respected blacksmith and my mother was a respected quilt-maker. We survived the initial Einsatzgruppen because my parents were skilled artisans and thus useful. Eventually we were transported to the Yaniv concentration camp in Lviv. My sister, five years younger than me, and I were adopted a week before Christmas, 1945. We arrived in America to celebrate Christmas with our new parents. They called it Christmas and celebrated the holiday just as any gentile does. We had a tree and presents…and we had pork tacos for Christmas dinner…no lie. It was a bitter-sweet affair. We were happy to be amongst people who obviously loved and cared about us and were willing to accommodate us in every way, but we felt sorrowful and forlorn for the loss of our loved ones and we also felt an overwhelming sense of guilt…that we somehow didn’t deserve to be treated so well. It took us many years to overcome these feelings of guilt but we eventually did and when we did we were free to explore our new world and to explore the world from which we had come.

            The Jewish academicians who adopted my sister and I fast-tracked the adoption process because they secretly worked for the state department as spies in academia. They were responsible for rooting out radical elements to include potential communist and fascist collaborators. They didn’t want new-born children or even very young children. They were ill-equipped to deal with the challenges of young children or babies. It’s why they didn’t have any of their own. They wanted fully formed, somewhat turnkey adolescents with at least partially formed intellects, so because of their special status within the state department, they received a special dispensation to adopt us when they became aware of our presence and existence.

            My adopted father was an professor of Anthropology at NYU and he traveled quite a bit as part of his job. He made frequent trips to Mexico and sometimes would take us with him. That’s the reason for the pork tacos on Christmas. My adopted parents loved Mexican cuisine so we were one of the few families in New York enjoying authentic Mexican food in the late 1940s and 1950s. We were ahead of our time. The pork tacos were sublime. I had never tasted anything like it. I have the recipe and still make them to this day. In fact, my family makes them for Christmas every other year and like gentiles, we have a tree and presents and on more than one occasion, I’ve even gone to Christmas mass at St. Patrick’s just for the sheer beauty of it.

          • I-Heart Pork January 30, 2014 at 10:33 am #

            Sorry, I meant 85. This is also why I say nearing 90. I don’t like to keep track of my age. Like Einstein, I consider a matter such as age trivial. I prefer to keep my mind on more important matters like possible pogroms.

            I was 17 when I was adopted. My adopted parents helped me fast-track through all the schooling I missed, so I was behind the eight ball, but with a lot of hard work and their help, I caught up and graduated college when I was 28. They were wonderful people. A gift from the God they didn’t believe in.

  83. I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

    Here’s a link to an excellent documentary made by my good friend, Yoav Shamir. He’s a good Jew and his grandmother, bless her sweet heart, is a great Jew. Pay particular attention to what his grandmother has to say about Jews. I think and feel the same as his grandmother. I love her. She’s a real Jew and so too am I. Of course, she’s talking about the bad Jews, of which there are many, when she says “Jews know monkey business.” She also says Jews are crooks, but she’s referring to the bad Jews. Cut her some slack. She’s been through a lot as have I. Certainly not all Jews are crooks. I’m not, I assure you. If I was, I wouldn’t be posting this to you.

    Diffamation !

  84. Gherry January 29, 2014 at 5:33 pm #

    Hi Heart

    really honoured to read your input

    iam typiung a little slower as my initial post was 15 mins before i bled a radiator which at age 36 made an arse of and gushed 4ft of soaking water(and a swollen burnt hand now also)

    yes-i think your peoples history has fascinations of equal polar scale.

    however,it’s also worth noting that it’s worldwide and all religions have in essence (and i think this is the key)protected the parents

    my leaning albeit given up at age 11 was roman catholic-i stay in Glasgow in a country above England known as Scotland(think KKK and early founding fathers aim sure)i still stay there
    we have the highest drug death rate in europe and lowest life expectancy at 56

    when i pointed to my sadly time honoured upbringing that includes ‘love thy parents’ there’s all variations of that theme in perhaps all the so called wisdom traditions.

    I would also say though that Catholic version is pretty acute.

    This is way more nuanced in many ways of course but nowadays it’s more silent as everything is so bloody covert IE wars etc that this thematic material is very often lost in time-(and guilt and fear and shame)

    Also the rise of the state(loaded wording i know)at the institutional methods in the past also plug into that psychological helplessness that i believe is symbolic of (next doors)abused and or neglected child and that childs later life expressions or lack of(cue the zombieism mode of choice)

    I know the spelling of and perhaps just a little more on the theme of Epi-Genetics and these wider acknowledged theme’s like the Nazi’s and even just the micro scale of the local priest or abused woman doing the role of unconscious abuser toward her child leaves a stain in the Gene’s.

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    • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

      Thanks for the reply Gherry. There is value in the “Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother” charge, but it has caveats in my opinion. We taught our children to offer initial respect of, and courtesy to, any individual be it another child, an adult, family member or otherwise. However, that default initial courtesy and respect were to be like a trial offer until you’ve had sufficient time to gauge the person’s character. If after sufficient time the person doesn’t mutually reciprocate with courtesy and respect or proves themselves of deficient character in any other way, then the default courtesy and respect afforded them should be withdrawn and all social contact with that individual should proceed with caution. All this is to say, blind obedience to authority sets the stage for abuse. It assumes, like Adam Smith’s invisible hand, that the individual to whom you are blindly obedient will treat you lovingly and benevolently and we know from history that assumption is not necessarily true in all cases.

  85. K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 6:05 pm #

    Concerning Walt’s ‘Blue Ice’

    I once knew as a very young man a woman who claimed to be a white witch. Her hair was white as snow and she had a spell on me that’s for sure. No hag was she. One day she saw me suffering from a bad cold. She told me to go to a herb store in Chinatown and get some ‘ephedra’. Boil it into a tea and I would find it stimulating and it would take away my symptoms.

    I hopped on a bus, got bought the ephedra, made the tea. It worked great. And I had enough ephedra to make a gallon more. A few days later I decided to brew the gallon and boil it down to see what would happen if it was made stronger. The gallon started out a light green transparent yellow but when I had boiled it down it was as dark as four hour old coffee. I poured it into a 12 Oz glass Coke bottle. This was a long time ago.

    I drank it down, vile and bitter and only my tender youth got me through. My heart soared to two hundred beats a minute. Red blue and green patches of light covered and surrounded the frosted white room light in the ceiling. To embarrased to pick up the phone and call for help I sat as still as I could. Fearing that if I moved my heart would explode. It was a horrible experience. Mid morning the next day my heart slowed down and the light was white once again. I had survived the ordeal.

    Later I learned that ephedra containes a natural form of ‘speed’ and I’ve had a health respect for amphetamines of all kinds ever since. I avoid them.

    • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

      healthy respect !

    • Janos Skorenzy January 29, 2014 at 9:16 pm #

      What a crazy thing to do. Real Darwin Awards stuff. People like you give drugs a bad name.

      • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

        Hardly, nobody can deny I was creative.

        • K-Dog January 30, 2014 at 12:10 am #

          And I survived and learned from the experience.

          • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 4:18 am #

            Why not try drinking gasoline or oil? Think of all you could learn about fossil fuels.

          • K-Dog January 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

            You first.

  86. Pucker January 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm #

    I may be going to California in the next few months.

    Can any of you blokes tell me how those “Medical Marijuana Clinics” work in California?

    Does a bloke just walk in an tell some Hippie that his back hurts?


    • I-Heart Pork January 29, 2014 at 7:07 pm #

      Skip the clinic and head on out to Ruppert’s new digs. I’m sure you can find some good weed there….and some shrooms. Looks like a blast. My experiences have taught me not to harshly judge others. Ruppert’s come a long way in his transformation from police officer.

      Apocalypse, Man

    • K-Dog January 29, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

      I think you would have better luck claiming a mood disorder. The truth is always more easily defended than a fiction.

  87. Gherry January 29, 2014 at 6:42 pm #

    …And a healthy respect for K-Dog’s cemented survival instincts of yesteryear!and this year cometh

    Heart,yes each letter has a quality to my mid range IQ in what you say-although for my benefit and to slightly repeat-the still developing child mind that awaits the hopeful call to discern right or wrong for them most often still gives an eternal pass to his or her parents via the childs initial and deep seated need for survival.

    And,another local figure of sorts Adam Smith having the broad brush stroke of an invisible hand to skew and give pass for many dysfunctions of the day(and today too of course)

    Think after this latest post aim well past my 10 recommendations required for TV viewing-all i need is the box set and perhaps a gentle virus and 1 week of bed bound existence and iam good

    Burroghs Wellcome+Co being the juicy patent/inventors sellers of pre street ‘blue ice’ c1940 with a slogan saying ‘wonderful’ no mention aim sure in the series but a poorly thought play on words might include ‘homie burrows gets an unexpected welcome from the crew’

    Our own likeable perhaps liberal leaning UK chap Louis Theroux missed it out if i remember in his documentary on the BBC in 2009 also.

    Who knows what today’s official psychotrpoic cocktails will lose patent sunset protection or so and go underground in the future?

  88. Pucker January 29, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

    How do the doctors in California prescribe marijuana? By the “Hit”? By the Bong Hit””? Do the doctors in California also sell bongs and chillems,
    or will I have to buy my own? If the latter, will Obamacare pay for it?

    • Karah January 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm #

      Medical cannabis is usually smoked because it is an herb with a chemical makeup that is not fully understood…

      The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved smoked cannabis for any condition or disease as it deems evidence is lacking concerning safety and efficacy of cannabis for medical use.[7] The FDA issued an 2006 advisory against smoked medical cannabis stating; “marijuana has a high potential for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and has a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision.”[7] The National Institute on Drug Abuse NIDA states that “Marijuana itself is an unlikely medication candidate for several reasons: (1) it is an unpurified plant containing numerous chemicals with unknown health effects; (2) it is typically consumed by smoking further contributing to potential adverse effects; and (3) its cognitive impairing effects may limit its utility”.[8] – Wikipedia.org

      The states that have legalized “pot” are conducting an experiment with their citizens. Businesses who want to trade in the herb are utilizing different methods of delivery in order to satisfy a diverse public and maximize profit. We will see in the next 6 to 12 months how the public tolerates the commercialization of cannabis (expect the hospitals and coroners to have a lot more information to share about the popular drug) and we will see if it satisfies people enough to not want to purchase from underground sources.

      • K-Dog January 30, 2014 at 12:54 am #

        The subject being meth cooking and dealing this week I’ll be leaving the green ice alone but I can’t resist a ‘pot’ shot here. Can the FDAs opinion really be respected when the federal government has made the study of medical cannabis impossible and cannabis continues to be listed in the Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act for shallow political reasons? No. Obama could remove it from that schedule with the stroke of a pen. He is after all fond of presidential orders, yet chooses not to. The NIDA can hardly be expected to provide a balanced opinion. The war on drugs is not going to allow any opinion which takes their cash cow away. Truth be dammed.

        Breaking Bad has an appeal because we live in an unjust nation dominated by richly funded power hungry narrow minded assholes and their shallow minions who dance for paychecks. Some of who dance here.

        Yes Walter is bad. He broke bad. Smart enough to defy the system but not smart enough to be truly superior and rise above the madness of the world. Most everyone can relate to that; most of us are that way ourselves. Walt is a modern day fictional Dillinger we vicariously root for because he rebels against a world that should be rebelled against. A world most of us lack the courage to rebel against ourselves. We root for him despite his faults, and that his faults are so outrageous only increases his appeal.

        And this:

        Businesses who want to trade in the herb are utilizing different methods of delivery in order to satisfy a diverse public and maximize profit.

        Considering that sales only started in Colorado a week ago and Washington state still does not sell cannabis that crack-‘pot’ lie is too premature to resonate with its intended deception.

        And this:

        The states that have legalized “pot” are conducting an experiment with their citizens. An experiment which has been going on for a few thousand years now without the experimental subjects experiencing noticeable harm.

        Lies and deception, our world is filled with them and so we root for Walter White who got mad as hell and wouldn’t take it anymore. Bad but in a bad mad world.

        He would be tragic and bent if he were real but he is not so:

        Go Walter!

        • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 4:14 am #

          Mexican Culture is Completely dominated by the ideal of the rebel – the more violent the better. All of White America is now not just the Gringo, but also the hated light skinned land owning upper class of old Mexico. Amnesty means deeper shit than any of you imagine.

          • K-Dog January 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

            This is the kind of comment a meth-head would make.

  89. ajmuste January 30, 2014 at 12:37 am #

    The Crumble is fully underway now – and such small issues are meant to divide us further. We should all be trying to figure out how to reorient our lives, rebuild our local economies, and try to ensure that the world we leave for our children isn’t nothing but ASHES.

    The Crumble has been fully underway for ten years and will continue for another hundred years without collapse. You are using it as an excuse for social apathy.

    You should do whatever you want, but do not deign to instruct others on what they “should all be trying to figure out.” Some of us do not need to figure anything out.

    If you are really worried about “the world we leave for our children,” then you should not have had children. But you did and ASHES are not their future. Give them some credit. Nobody inherits a perfect world. Deal with it.

    We should NOT be wasting our time talking about such a stupid and pointless issue as the minimum wage! Your studies and statistics make me sick. They are meaningless in the context of what we are facing now.

    An extra $400 a month from an increase in the minimum wage is significant for many people who are living on the edge. $400 a month is far from “stupid and pointless” and far more real than an imagined “Crumble.”

    My studies and statistics make you sick because you are not compassionate and you have no civic consciousness. You are not living in a reality-based, fact-based world and you don’t give a flying fuck about others. You are just looking out for yourself while living in fear of “The Crumble” and what it could do to you, hiding behind your children.

    Your fear of “The Crumble” makes you think you need to dedicate your life to preparing to survive it. Your activities are meaningless to those who do not live in fear and your egoistic priorities and apolitical attitude do nothing to help those who, right now, are making minimum wage or lower.

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    • I-Heart Pork January 30, 2014 at 9:31 am #

      “You should do whatever you want, but do not deign to instruct others on what they “should all be trying to figure out.” Some of us do not need to figure anything out.”

      No, of course not. You rely on so-called experts to do all your thinking for you and then you market it to the masses as pablum. There’s nothing satisfying in watching manipulators such as you hoist yourselves on your own petards if you don’t recognize you’re even doing it…to the very end if there is an end. The climate models are failing miserably and the AGW scam is slowly but surely being revealed as such, but you continue your unabated march to the land of ludicrous. How’s the weather in Connecticut by the way?

      And your comment to “beantownbill” about me was defamatory, slanderous and libelous. You have some “splainin” to do. If we all used your approach about who is who and what is what, we could claim Obama is not a Black man despite his shoe-polished exoskeleton. Are you prepared to accept that characterization of your idol and preach it as you do AGW? If not, then do unto others as you would have them do unto your butler. By the way, my software tells me you and beantownbill are posting from the same location even though you have separate IP addresses. Care to “splain” that to the rest of us?

      • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 1:07 pm #

        Sure, easy: you are an outright liar. You are stupidly trying to establish your cover story by deflecting the argument to me and away from you. Look, I’ve been commenting on this blog for around 4 years, and most every CFN regular knows what I stand for. By making a false claim, you’ve ruined whatever credibility you may have had.

        The one person who knows my true identity on CFN is Jim Kunstler. Why don’t you go ask him if I post from the same location as AJMuste? BTW, how long did it take you to concoct your cockamamie adoption story as you scrambled to maintain your own credibility? Considering what type person you are, probably not long. By mentioning IP addresses, I’m now thinking you might be a government troll, although I’m not sure. I sure hope not because THAT would make me very angry.

        There is so much of vital importance to discuss on CFN, that I don’t want to waste more time on you.

    • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 12:48 pm #

      When did I say I had kids? I don’t. Not yet anyway. When I say ‘our kids,’ I mean ALL of our kids. My nieces and nephews, cousins, etc. I’m talking about the people who will inherit this mess from us, who will be asked to pay the impossible price of keeping the machine in motion.

      I am very compassionate. I think about the 200 species that go extinct every single day and it fills me with sadness. I think about Fukushima and Deepwater Horizon and how they are killing the oceans, and I am filled with bitterness.

      I don’t fear the Crumble. I am ‘leaning into’ it. My life is dedicated to the following things:

      1) teaching my community and learning myself how we are going to live in the future

      2) trying to wake people up

      3) healing my land and keeping my bees alive, and helping the trees in my forest

      So sorry if I don’t care about another silly trick played by the government, spending more of other people’s money. I do have compassion for the people who are affected by the minimum wage and I’m sure that an extra $400 would help them out, but at what cost? All it does is prolong the agony. Would you rather have another 200 species go extinct tomorrow, so these people can buy another TV or phone, or poisoned processed food?

      Do I think that the corporations will make less money if they are forced to pay people more? No, they will just jack up their prices, and as always WE are the ones who end up paying for it, the few people that are still actually earning a living and paying taxes, etc.

      Where does this ‘human centric’ philosophy take us? When everything around us is dying and the world is burning, your biggest concern is extracting more resources from the machine to buy a few people a little more time? That kind of thinking is what got us here in the first place.

      When the land is dead and we can’t grow food anymore, and the skies are filled with ash, and we can’t get any more oil out of the ground, will you be happy to know that for a couple more years, we managed to pay a few people a few extra bucks?

      How silly.

    • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 1:24 pm #

      PS – I love it when you say ‘The Crumble’.

      Put your little quotes around it if you want, but the more people say it, the more it will sink into their consciousness.

      And the comment about ‘nobody inherits a perfect world’ has got to be the understatement of the year. I can’t believe you actually said that.

      Perfect world? How about a world where there is a living ocean, clean water, and land without chemical and heavy metal contamination?

      I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t know, but just in case – you are aware that there is a mound of trash the size of Texas in the Pacific Ocean, right? You have read about Fukushima and the fact that almost all of the life in the Pacific is testing positive for elevated radiation? You do know that there is an area in China bigger than Rhode island where no food can be grown anymore?

      You do know that there are places in the world where flowers can no longer grow because the pollinators are all dead? You do know that ocean life has collapsed by more than 90 percent?

      That is VERY far from perfect. We are approaching a time when the world won’t be fit for humans to live on.

      Saying ‘deal with it’ to future generations is not good enough! We need to focus our efforts and not be distracted by silly topics.

      Speaking of which, I need to get back to my book about…..

      The Crumble!!!!

  90. ajmuste January 30, 2014 at 12:52 am #

    “You aren’t a real Jew or a Holocaust survivor.” — BTB to I-heart-pork

    Beantown, I agree that his posting as a Jew doesn’t ring true. He claims to be Jewish, then directs CFN to anti-semitic literature aimed at fomenting discord between Blacks and Jews.

    Thanks for outing I-Heart-Pork.

  91. Arn Varnold January 30, 2014 at 4:31 am #

    Pete Seeger is toes up, to the chagrin of lefties everywhere. I suppose you can forgive him for being a communist and lying about it, but what about shilling for Stalin long after Stalin’s enormous crimes became well known everywhere? Seeger was also a big fan of Castro, Mao and Uncle Ho. There were not too many mass murdering communist thugs. Pete Seeger didn’t take a cotton to.

    One place where Seeger really blazed a trail is after communism went down he immediately switched over to environmentalism, one of the first, if not the first, reds turning green. Many others followed. Another noted communist who went in big later on for ‘saving planet earth’ is Nelson Mandela’. ‘Saving planet earth’ has always been a good and surefire grift for shaking down gullible and well meaning do gooders for a little swag. It never misses.


    You are so full of mis-information regarding Seeger I don’t know where to start.
    He himself said he never should have joined the communist party and waited far too long to denounce it. And, he was one of the few who stood up to McCarthy’s facism.
    Ho Chi Minh and Castro are great men. Ho was not a communist until we forced him in that direction due to our asinine policies towards S.E. Asia.
    Bottom line is; you don’t know Jack about history.
    Best do your homework before making an ass out of yourself.
    Oh, wait! I’m sorry, I forgot, this is cluster fuck nation.
    Sorry, sorry, my mistake; carry on…

    • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 6:16 am #

      One of the Few? Trashing Joe McCarthy has been the Liberal National pastime for generations. Yet it turned out that he was right. HIs biggest and fatal mistake was underestimating the Communist influence in America.

      The only question now? When will Liberals apologize and admit they were wrong about this great patriot.

      Great men? Great in power or great in goodness? Or do you recognize the difference? Castro was touted as an “agrarian reformer” just as Mao was.

      I agree we had no business being in Vietnam or even Cuba really. But why did we support Mao over Chiang? That was pure evil, a deep plan by the Proto-Globalists.

  92. Arn Varnold January 30, 2014 at 6:06 am #

    @ BRH;
    Now I hate to cause you any agitation in your understanding, or lack thereof, of history, but, to disturb you a little and maybe ruffle a few feathers; here’s a transcript of Seeger’s testimony before The House Un-American Activities Committee in 1955.


    Yep! A major commy, standing up for the rights of every American citizen during a time of fear and cowardice in America.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 6:19 am #

      Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, good Liberals, went to support the Hollywood 10 at a hearing. They were stunned at the utter contempt these Communist Jews (all but one were Jewish) had for America, its people and culture. They came away shaken and admitted they were in way over their heads. You should too.

      • Arn Varnold January 30, 2014 at 6:39 am #

        You are just so predictable. You play your part very well; I’ll give you that.
        I’d be impressed, except, your script isn’t original or unique.
        In fact it’s time worn and boring. I can barely bring myself to comment, it’s so mundane.
        Jejune actually.
        I’m sure you’d be most comfortable back in the day of the Third Reich; that rather fits your style.
        But, don’t let me stop you; do carry on as you are wont to do…

        • BackRowHeckler January 30, 2014 at 10:54 am #

          While Congress hauled in a few Hollywood showbiz commies to explain their treasonous activities to the nation, on the other side of the world, behind the iron curtain, the system of government these traitors owed their allegiance to were liquidating human beings by the tens of millions. Did you consider that Stalin might have refrained a little from mas murder if perhaps these hollywood luminaries weren’t covering up and running flak for this mass murdrerer. Seeger, robeson, the hollywood 10, every one of those sonabitches had blood on their hands and should have been thrown in prison. I hope they’re all rotting in hell right now.


        • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm #

          Not original or unique: you mean like the Law of Gravity?

          Time worn, boring – even predictable: kind of like 2+2=4?

          Freedom means being able to predict things and express simple truisms. It’s not just about being able to be new and shocking – like being able to publish Henry Miller’s semi-porn. That’s all old hat now. Boring. But the Laws of Gravity and Arithmetic are just as fresh and new as they ever were. And they will continue to the end of time.

          Arn you never got passed the 60’s. You’re a fossil stuck in time.
          Careful or your fingers will fall off as you type.

  93. BackRowHeckler January 30, 2014 at 11:02 am #

    Arn, read Alan Weinstein’s ‘The Haunted Wood’. It detail’s the depth of Communist penetration into Hollywood in the 40s and 50s. And Weinstein is no right winger; he writes for the New Yorker.


  94. ajmuste January 30, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

    devon44, thank you for your followup posts. I apologize to you for pre-judging you. I support everything you are doing and wish you well in all your endeavors.

    I would only ask that you do not have any children. I know you are bright and above average, but the earth does not need one more child, regardless of quality of genes. Having good genes does not justify adding more children to the earth. All tribes need to shrink in size.

    Each child added to the world’s population will consume natural resources, pollute the air and water, and increase the environmental degradation you deplore. Especially children of the first world.

    Best of luck in converting already existing children to your level of environmental consciousness.

    And I hope your bees are doing well.

    ~ ajmuste

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    • devon44 January 30, 2014 at 3:53 pm #

      Thanks buddy, I got your back.

  95. ajmuste January 30, 2014 at 2:45 pm #

    BRH, I agree with you about the horrors of communist regimes. Millions dead. I condemn such inhuman communist brutality.

    But to say Pete Seeger has blood on his hands because early in his life he was a communist would also mean you have blood on your hands because you are a capitalist.

    In the 20th century about 70 million deaths can be attributed to capitalism. For those deaths you are just as guilty as Pete Seeger, using your own criteria.

    But the truth is Pete Seeger was a war tax resister. He refused to pay his taxes as a protest. Pete Seeger refused to finance the killing. So Pete Seeger has less blood on his hands than you, because you have paid your taxes to finance a capitalist war machine.

    Germany and Japan were also capitalist countries. If you include both combatant and noncombatant dead, there are an estimated 58 million dead from the First and Second World Wars.

    Add to that the death tolls from various colonial wars of capitalist countries, genocides, anticommunist wars and repressions, etc. there are millions more deaths attributable to capitalism.

    It is not communist countries but capitalist USA that has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the world’s prisoners. The USA has 714 prisoners per 100,000 citizens. That is the highest in the world, higher than Cuba or any other communist country.

    Yet I only read you condemning communists for their horrors. Join me in condemning communists and capitalists for their horrors.

    You don’t seem to be an objective observer of human events.

    • BackRowHeckler January 30, 2014 at 4:19 pm #

      In 1998 The French Academy published their ‘Black Book of Communism’. In it they document, in great detail, year by year, country by country, the liquidation of 100 million people by various communist regimes.

      So far nobody has published the black book of capitalism.

      Capitalism isn’t a system. It just means free markets. Economic freedom seems to be an anathema to many who post here.

      In the thirties when Hitler was building up the Nazi war machine Seeger and other American communists encouraged President Roosevelt to fight Germany. After the Hitler Stalin pact in 1939 Seeger, on orders from Moscow, began calling Roosevelt a war monger and a dangerous imperialist. When Germany invaded Russia in 1941 Seeger pivoted once again and began agitating the US to go to war on behalf of Russia. All this guy gave a sh-t about was Stalin’s Russia and later on Mao’s China. In 1972 he was a guest of honor in N Vietnam, which says a lot.


  96. I-Heart Pork January 30, 2014 at 5:55 pm #

    Karah writes: “Medical cannabis is usually smoked because it is an herb with a chemical makeup that is not fully understood…”

    Cannabis is traditionally smoked, whether it’s medically disbursed or not, because it’s the best method to deliver the buzz quickly. If it’s ingested, it can take anywhere from a half hour to two hours to achieve the effects of a “high.”

    After I graduated Harvard at the age of 28 in 1957 with a degree in Chemistry, I decided to accept a lucrative job for the time with a jeweler in the diamond district inspecting diamonds. I took this job which wasn’t in my field of study really because I was burned out on school. I had to work exhaustively for eleven years to attain my undergraduate degree and I needed a diversionary reprieve so I took this job through a connection to my parents. My parents knew everyone, especially in the Jewish community of New York City but they people all over the world and certainly all over America. They helped get me into Harvard with their myriad connections. Of course, my status as a Holocaust survivor helped and James Bryant Conant easing the geographic distribution requirements in the late 1930salos helped, but my parents influential connections clinched it. I know that’s not fair, but I was young and didn’t know any better so I took the path that was presented to me.

    My time in the diamond district was interesting and enlightening. During those times…the late 1950s…there were not a few Holocaust survivors haunting the streets of Manhattan. Some of them were rather disturbed, understandably. I remember going to the movie theater to see the movie The Marathon Man when it came out in 1976 and I recollect how impressed I was with their characterization of the two Holocaust survivors Zell encountered when inquiring about the value of diamonds. It was exactly as I remember some of my fellow Holocaust survivors. Of course, these were much older survivors, but still, the likeness to the movie’s characterization was uncanny. There was a man who worked the counter at the Orthodox Jewish jeweler where I was employed, and once a week he would swear one of the customers who was shopping or browsing or who even bought a diamond was a Nazi camp something or other. Everyone learned to ignore this tortured man, but what if he was right a mere fraction of the time? The movie The Marathon Man made me feel guilty for also ignoring the tortured soul of this poor man Saul. But what could I do? I didn’t want to encourage him and enable his torture any further. When he asked for my ear about it, I would deftly change the subject and get him worked up about something more benign and less tortuous…usually something about the Yankees because he loved baseball and the Yankees. Everyone knew I had this ability so they would pawn Saul off on me when he went on one of these tirades of accusing a customer of being a Nazi camp commandant or guard.

    Anyhow, after a couple of years of inspecting diamonds and learning what a crooked trade the diamond trade is, I was fed up and decided to return to school. I applied to MIT and was accepted with a couple of letters of recommendation from some influential people my parents knew who were also MIT graduates. I earned my Masters degree and PhD in Biochemistry from MIT and began my career after receiving my PhD designation in 1965. I stayed on with MIT for a while and was involved in various projects for the government to include studying the effects of LSD. As part of this process, I actually took LSD several times, and administered it many times to test subjects. It was an interesting time and we learned so much, yet we learned nothing at all.

    In the early 1970s a colleague and I decided to strike it out on our own and form our own lab and work as consultants. We focused our work on cannabis, so when you say its chemical makeup is not fully understood, well, yes, that’s true, but much is known about it and has been known about it for some time. The information’s out there…I should know, but it’s not readily distributed or easy to find…and that’s for a reason. Cannabis has been demonized for nearly a century as an evil weed. The government doesn’t want you to know about the wonderful and healing properties of cannabis.

    I can’t tell you how many Jewish friends I have who have overcome their aversion to pork because of cannabis. No lie. There are many Jewish people who have been raised to despise pork just as many Americans have a revulsion to eating dog or a cockroach. Considering my line of work and research, I often had access to the best specimens and strains of cannabis at the time, and so would avail my friends, Jewish or otherwise, of it. On more than a few occasions we would have them over and serve pork tacos after we got stoned. They loved them. It was miraculous. Those of them who are still alive thank me to this day for helping them overcome their aversion to swine and making them pork lovers.

    Nowadays, I use cannabis for more acute issues like high blood pressure coupled with low heart rate to include heart block. I have talked many friends and friends of friends out of pacemakers and instead convinced them to properly dose with cannabis for this condition. Cannabis lowers their blood pressure and increases their heart rate…and it helps keep their glaucoma in check and alleviate some of the pressure plus it’s a natural anti-inflammatory. It truly has been miraculous for so many of my friends and to think, had my adopted parents not rescued my sister and I from the Ukraine and the Iron Curtain closing around it, none of it ever would have happened. Just thinking about this too deeply brings back an ever so slight feeling of guilt. But I know my birth parents would have been proud. My adopted parents certainly were and my children and grandchildren adore me. The grandchildren and great grandchildren love their hipcat grandad and great grandad. I’ve lived many lives and I hope to live a couple more before I take my last breath.

    • Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 10:10 pm #

      Pork is avoided by spiritual people because it lowers consciousness – even more than most meat. The Low will hit, and hit hard, twenty minutes to an hour after ingestion.

      • devon44 January 31, 2014 at 11:59 am #

        Not my pork! My pigs eat grass, natural feed, and vegetarian kitchen scraps. They have grass under their feet and the sun on their backs, and they have plenty of space to root and roam.

        Not all pork is equal. I wouldn’t wish industrially raised pork on my worst enemy.

        When people call cops ‘pigs’, it is an insult to the pigs, not the cops.

        • Karah February 3, 2014 at 12:06 am #

          Not all pot is created equal. The goal of marijuana study, as the goal of Walter’s study of meth, is how to attain the best chemical high.

          Medical marijuana is not about getting high and escaping reality. Medicine is about finding a natural or synthetic chemical that alleviates suffering so people can go on with their lives working and caring for people.

          Walter does not take meth nor advocate drug use by minors.

          If the FDA approves marijuana, they would have to treat it like every other drug. A company like MERK would have to develop it, find a species of plant they could mass produce and process (hard to do when it’s ILLEGAL almost everywhere but it has been done by a guy in CANADA) and apply for a patent. You would receive the dosages in pill form because it would be hypocritical to SMOKE it since it’s already been proven that smoking is harmful and carcinogenic. The labels would have warnings to not operate equipment.

          Of course, regulations take the sex, mystery and rebellion out of drug use.

          Recreational drug use is an oxymoron. There’s nothing fun about getting high unless your idea of fun is making an idiot out of yourself and lying flat on your back for hours.

  97. BackRowHeckler January 30, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Just watched a BBC report about the disaster shaping up in Afghanistan, on top of the disaster already unfolding in Iraq.

    Obama might be the first president in US history to lose not one war but two. Remember a few years ago when everything this guy did was ‘historic’. Well, this really is historic, and perhaps more important than the minimum wage or rape on college campus. (which I already thought was illegal).

    What a legacy. What a legacy!


  98. Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 7:36 pm #

    Complex systems are fragile. But so fragile that two inches of snow shuts down a whole city? With children trapped at school overnight?

    Add Minority rule to the mix and it all becomes clear.


  99. ajmuste January 30, 2014 at 7:47 pm #

    “Capitalism isn’t a system. It just means free markets. Economic freedom seems to be an anathema to many who post here.” — BRH

    It’s just that we don’t believe in fairy tales like “free markets” …

    Capitalism is a political system where big business depends on close relationships with government officials. What is all the bitching about the Fed and QE if not political.

    You know what I’m talking about, BRH. Your so-called “free market” relies upon favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of state interventionism. Those political perks are rampant throughout our economy, which is anything but a “free market”

    Wal-Mart, GM, Honeywell, etc. … name any mega corporation and you will find they are not involved in “free markets”? They have lobbyists. Lobbyists are not to guarantee “free markets” … just the opposite. They get political favors that are an anathema to “free markets”

    You are talking about something which does not even exist. Just like the communists who talk about the “classless society”… In fact, you could be mistaken for Lenin when he talks about “a stateless society predicated on free association of equals” … That sounds like you. No coercion, just free markets. Not a political system, just “free markets” …

    If anyone believes that BRH and Lenin are only talking about an “economic system,” I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

    BRH, you know capitalism is now political and anything but “free” … and your libertarian theories about “free markets” are just as valuable as the communist theories about “a stateless society predicated on free association of equals” … they are both fairy tales that have no relation to reality.

    JHK spends a lot of bandwidth telling us about the machinations of our capitalist “free market” system. But no one counts up the deaths that result from massive unemployment, medical bankruptcy, suicides, extreme income inequality, etc. that result from the failure of capitalism, not to mention the violence of the capitalist nation state’s colonialism and imperialism that goes after raw materials “to create wealth” on the graves of millions of people.

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  100. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 8:58 pm #

    “Each child added to the world’s population will consume natural resources, pollute the air and water, and increase the environmental degradation you deplore. Especially children of the first world.”
    ….aj sees the truth….

    So, aj – you are opposed to incoming US immigration, as it constantly adds numbers of “children of the first world?”

  101. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 9:02 pm #

    Is a new page of comments about to start?

    Who’s in charge, here?

    • K-Dog January 31, 2014 at 1:26 am #

      They see all, the Guv-Mint is in charge.

  102. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 9:09 pm #

    Concerning the latest Atlanta “Snowjam.”

    Some are calling it “Clusterflake 2014!”

    You could take any large metropolitan area, let everyone go to work normally – then start screaming at 2:00 pm, “EVERYBODY GO HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!”

    And you’d have some problems in a hurry.

    Snow, turning to ice on unplowable roads – was just the “icing” on this cake – hehe!

    Atlanta’s problem is simple – too many people.

    Go back home, please.

    • Karah January 30, 2014 at 10:27 pm #

      ONLY 5 MILLION people running around the metro area any given time…

    • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 11:21 pm #

      Procon, I love that name – clusterflake 2014. LOL.

      I agree with you about the overpopulation issue, you should know that.

      However, it’s more than just too many people, it’s also about irresponsible auto transportation. The most used highway in Boston, and probably the entire New England area is the 8 mile roadway known as the Southeast Expressway. It was formerly known as the country’s largest parking lot, which tells you how bad the traffic can be.

      Several years ago, the authorities converted one lane to an express lane and sealed it off with movable concrete barriers that are moved twice a day from North to South to provide an extra lane for rush hour traffic. The express lane requires at least 2 passengers per car. Unless there’s a breakdown in the lane, traffic flows very fast. When my wife and I are returning from Boston in rush hour, we are amazed at how we zip past the other lanes, which are stop and go. Every car in the non- speed lanes has one passenger per car, the numbers of which greatly surpass the number of multi-passenger cars in the express lane. We always ask ourselves why people don’t car pool and lessen traffic.

      I suspect Atlanta is the same, so part of the issue is that given Atlanta’s population, the number of cars on the commuter highways is maximized rather than minimized.

      • stelmosfire February 1, 2014 at 8:21 am #

        Bill you gotta admit the “BIG DIG” solved all of Beantown’s traffic problems. A thanks to us peons in the forgotten western part of this forlorn state would be appreciated. I pay for it and never use the darn thing. Actually the whole country is paying for it. 22,000,000,000.00 dollars???

      • Sandy February 2, 2014 at 2:12 pm #

        Keep in mind, you are “carpooling” with your wife, which makes the two passenger per car a tad simpler then having to step out of the comfort zone, find someone who comes and goes to the same/similar location at about the same time, who you can depend on without reservation.

    • Neon Vincent January 31, 2014 at 12:18 pm #

      Meanwhile, Detroit is having it’s snowiest January on record.


      In fact, it’s now the city’s snowiest month on record.


      We’re not having anything like Atlanta’s problems, although the counties have already spent 70% of their snow removal budget for the year and there are two months left of winter. Making that stretch will be interesting, in the Chinese curse sense.

  103. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 9:21 pm #

    Interestingly, the majority of voters and politicians in Georgia get it.

    New laws discourage Medicaid enrollments – so people depart.

    New voter ID laws “disenfranchise!?” the unorganized – people depart

    Immigration law encourages the undocumented to depart.

    Georgia residents, politicians, and voters know it – this place is overpopulated. And it only takes 2 inches of snow to prove it.

    Now – if the Federal government would enforce immigration law, as already written, things would be OK.

  104. Janos Skorenzy January 30, 2014 at 10:05 pm #

    The Republicans are a fake party. Their only purpose is to appear to be Conservative and “run out the clock” on White America. The scum are still talking about “the Latino Vote”. What about our votes you worthless sacks of shit?

    The Elite have obviously decided to elect a new people.

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    • progress4what January 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

      Both parties are useless sell-outs, Vlad.

      There is no “Elite,” as you use the term.

      Growth is the enemy – and to the extent an “Elite” advocate growth, there is the enemy.


      “Since 1996, leaders of the Sierra Club have refused to admit that immigration driven, rapid U.S. population growth causes massive environmental problems. And they have refused to acknowledge the need to reduce U.S. immigration levels in order to stabilize the U.S. population and protect our natural resources. Their refusal to do what common sense says is best for the environment ….”
      – article –

      • Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 2:33 am #

        The ultra-rich are above the Parties and use them skillfully to manipulate and divide the people. George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton have become best friends. He calls Bill, Bubba.

        It’s like Pro-Wrestling: the conflict is for the crowds. They’re friends back in the locker room. But, and it’s a big But – the Democratic Agenda reflect more of where the Elite want to take us now. And that has nothing to do with them being egalitarian – they aren’t. They want US to be. They do want to end growth – with them on top, forever. So to do that, you persecute the middle class unto destruction.

    • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

      The US Latino residents (legal + illegal) are now a significant percentage of the population. It makes sense to me that political parties would go after their votes. Gaining that voting bloc almost insures election, regardless of your feelings about the situation. Politics has no morals.

      • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm #

        There is an “elite”, I just don’t think they are very good at manipulating anything. Basically they fumble around in the dark trying to get more money and power, but there’s no conspiracy.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 2:42 am #

        Conservative Whites are the Republican Base. They must know that, yet they ignore them. They can’t be that stupid so it must be a Plan at the highest level. They play their part in the charade and they have a place of honor in the New World Order, the Novus Ordo Seclorum.

        Years before the Turkish Invasion of Europe, merchants were lining up to do business with Suleiman the Magnificent. He was the Odds on Favorite. They wanted to have a leg up in the New Order. But the Turks were crushed in the great sea battle of Lepanto.

        Now compare this with what the Jews did after the battle of Waterloo. The Rosthschilds created a system of communications faster than the official one. So after Napoleon was defeated, they sent word that he had won. The Market crashed and the Jews bought up England. I assume they would have reported that he lost if he had won too. This extreme bit of nastiness is left out of Text Books but Jews gloat about it in books written by them for them.

  105. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 11:08 pm #

    bill –

    You haven’t been sounding like yourself this week.

    You have said you were opposed to further US immigration, at least until the employment picture improves.

    Does that still hold for you?

    • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

      Absolutely, and it’s more than just the employment picture; it’s also about too many people severely straining our resources. I’d be for ending immigration until that issue is resolved as well. It pains me to say that, but it is illogical to keep adding more people when there’s not enough to go around already. America has always had a diverse population, which has benefitted us, but we can’t afford that now. When we do resolve the resource issue, we might be able to introduce measured immigration again. So my attitude hasn’t changed, I was just stating reality to Janos about practical politics.

  106. progress4what January 30, 2014 at 11:11 pm #

    and where did the new “.” come from, bill?

    and why does a political party go after the votes of illegal Latinos?

    do illegal residents vote up there?

    • beantownbill. January 30, 2014 at 11:38 pm #

      I’m not sure what you mean. If you’re talking about the dot at the end of my handle, I had to add it several months back to get back on here after a computer glitch.

      I’m pretty sure that some illegal aliens probably vote somehow, like dead people did in Chicago. Political parties don’t care, only the final vote tally is what matters. Politics is exceedingly harsh.

  107. ajmuste January 31, 2014 at 1:17 am #

    We fought a war in this country over the principle of no taxation without representation.

    Undocumented immigrants who live here, and work here, and pay taxes here, should be allowed to vote. It is only fair they have a voice in choosing the representatives in the districts where they live, just like all the other taxpayers who are “citizens.”

    The Supreme Court of the United States agrees with me and struck down an Arizona law requiring voters to present citizenship proof to register in state and federal elections.

    Remember, we fought a war over this principle. No special voter ID was required at that time either. Thank God for the Supreme Court ruling.

    And thank God former slaves and women and undocumented immigrants can now vote.

    • These rights, which you falsely apply to God, are with us today because white athiest landowners were willing to hang by the neck and defy the British Empire.

      So too, did millions of young men die in the mud and gore of the Civil War to win the emancipation of slaves.

      I had a conversation with a young lady who, because of her nearly complete lack of understanding of history and post-feminist education, complained about only white land owning males were allowed to vote. Nevertheless I like her and she proved educable.

      Do you think for one minute these men would have exposed their families to the threat of dispossession and death by making them accomplices in treason, by naming them and granting them charter in the Revolution?

      As time goes on, it seems more and more ridiculous lies are ascribed to the participants in the Revolution

      As to the voting rights of undocumented immigrants, I have only this to say: what is in it for me, as a citizen? Tell me why its in my best interest to have Jose vote alongside me. Whereas Jose can quit America and go back to a homeland, this is my homeland.

      I’ll tell you what the real consequences are: an oppressive political dynasty in Mexico for decades precisely because the political base which would have opposed it and produced meaningful reforms was here, in America, not in Mexico, voting and agitating. The thin margins of victory for the ruling parties throughout national and state elections in Mexico bears out this sad reality.

      And so goes the last 50 years. The only benefit from all this is for industrial agriculture. Enjoy your frozen peas, hope it was worth it.

      And as for the Supreme court ruling on proof in elections, I can only point out that the ruling does not amount to a de facto endorsement of foreign nationals participating in domestic elections, and a reading of the ruling, as such, is clearly evidence only of the particular bias of a particular observer.

  108. Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 3:26 am #

    ”For the Race, Everything. For those outside the Race, Nothing. The Motto of La Raza


    Wake up White Americans. Fight or be Dispossessed.

    • Looongerbeard January 31, 2014 at 5:11 am #

      Your racism is stinking up this site!
      Again, shoo, fool!!

      You think you’re really going to ignite some kind of neo-nazi, white supremacist revolution?

      Laughable! Idiotic, and not even worthy of debate.

      • Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 6:01 am #

        So only Whites can be “racists”? Boy, are you stupid. Why don’t you read the article and learn something. Or are you too proud of your ignorance?

        La Raza means The Race.

        • Arn Varnold January 31, 2014 at 7:19 am #

          You’re such a maroon; the world is racist jackass.
          But not all people are racist, jackass.
          There are some of us who choose to see past our own ethnocentric bullshit to explore a world wondrous.
          A world of differences to be understood.
          But, it’s the jackasses of the world (like you) who would deny us the intra/inter-cultural experiences that so enrich existence in this wondrous world.
          You are a sad little man, posing as one with intellect, but failing with your pseudo-intellectual screed, so time worn, and boring to those of any actual critical thinking abilities.
          You also present yourself as a scared little man so threatened by the world (you perceive) around you.
          All the differences to be celebrated you see as a threat to your very existence. Why not just kill yourself when presented with the overwhelming onslaught of other?
          You’re just a sad, little, very scared, insecure white guy in a world you do not understand.
          A Darwin moment? Hmm?

          • Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 2:38 pm #

            “There are some of us” – and who are they Arn? White Liberals who Unite Against their own people to help other ethnic groups dispossess their own. And you then talk about Darwin? You and your kind are an evolutionary mistake. And why? All so you and your kind can feel spiritually superior while you revel in hatred. How utterly small and despicable, equal parts smarmy and self righteous. When you say Nicaragua you try and roll the r don’t you?

          • Looongerbeard January 31, 2014 at 10:56 pm #

            Well said Arn!

          • Looongerbeard January 31, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

            Well said, Arn!

  109. I-Heart Pork January 31, 2014 at 6:55 am #

    I agree that illegal immigration is a serious issue in America that needs to be dealt with. As ajmuste indicates, laws are on the books already that need to be enforced. Why aren’t they enforced? I believe it’s for the reasons beantownbill states, because the elite that is above and beyond the two parties doesn’t want the immigration laws, which are just for show, enforced because it doesn’t serve its purposes. There are a lot of bad Jews who help make up this Elite and American Nationalism and sovereignty is not their goal.

    However, all that being said, what happened in Atlanta cannot be entirely blamed on illegal immigration. In fact, it has little to do with illegal immigration. Atlanta, like many cities in America, is over-populated. The growth has not been smart. There are too many people for too little infrastructure to include roads, highways and various forms of public transportation. The various governing jurisdictions around Atlanta woo businesses to relocate without giving proper consideration to infrastructure to support the growth these businesses bring. The majority of residents in Atlanta are transplants of legal citizens from other parts of the country who flock to the Southern city for all manner of reasons, but mostly because of lower taxes and job opportunities. Those are the people who were out in the cars en mass Tuesday. Were some of them illegal immigrants? Sure. A significant number? Hardly, and really not even worth mentioning.

    It has been my experience that ideologues tend to attach their agenda, myopically, to every significant and noteworthy event that occurs using said event as proof of their cause. Ajmustard above believes the massive gridlock from some snow flurries is due to illegal immigration. I’ve seen elsewhere where it’s blamed on AGW. How that’s the case is anyone’s guess? In this upside down world frigid cold equals warming somehow. There are others who point to Atlanta and say it’s a sign that the Great Collapse is near. The event in Atlanta is none of that just as it’s not a sign God is punishing America for homosexuality and gay marriage. Pat Robertson does the same thing. Everything that happens is for his pet reasons and it usually involves his fire & brimstone God punishing us again and again.

    As the following article points out, a big part of the problem in Atlanta is competing governing bodies. What Atlanta needs, or what regions now need, is a dictatorship of sorts. Say what you want about dictatorships…but what you can’t deny is that they things done.

    What Everybody From The North Needs To Understand About The Traffic Disaster in Atlanta

    Regionalism here is really hard. The population of this state has doubled in the past 40-45 years, and many of the older voters who control it still think of it as the way it was when they were growing up. The urban core of Atlanta is a minority participant in a state government controlled by rural and northern Atlanta exurban interests. The state government gives MARTA, Atlanta’s heavy rail transportation system, no money. There’s a lot of tough regional and racial history here which is shameful, but part of the inheritance we all have by being a part of this region. Demographics are evolving very quickly, but government moves more slowly. The city in which I live, Brookhaven, was incorporated in 2012. This is its first-ever snowstorm (again, 2 inches). It’s a fairly affluent, mostly white, urban small city. They were unprepared too.

    The issue is that you have three layers of government — city, county, state — and none of them really trust the other. And why should they? Cobb County just “stole the Braves” from the city of Atlanta. Why would Atlanta cede transportation authority to a regional body when its history in dealing with the region/state has been to carve up Atlanta with highways and never embrace its transit system? Why would the region/state want to give more authority to Atlanta when many of the people in the region want nothing to do with the city of Atlanta unless it involves getting to work or a Braves game?

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    • My wondering is this: why aren’t these modern cars seen as defective? The cover of the New York times showed a bunch of abandoned vehicles, at least half of which had traction control and/or AWD systems.

      • K-Dog January 31, 2014 at 2:07 pm #

        Its not the cars it’s people who have no skills driving in snow. If you want to know what’s defective look in the mirror!

        • sauerkraut January 31, 2014 at 7:04 pm #

          That’s a factor, no doubt. So is the “smaller government” brigade, which is now whining about having no public (snow removal) services.

          But much as I hate to be fair, 2 inches of wet snow, packed down to 1/8 inch by highway traffic, is the worst possible driving surface. It is worse than glare ice, and far, far worse than cold snow. Only the highest class of expert driver, like a pro racer, is safe on what they have in Atlanta.

  110. K-Dog January 31, 2014 at 1:45 pm #

    For all sock puppet lunatics who claim Jim Kunstler can’t predict anything right eat it. He predicted QE spot on.

    “Ben Bernanke, the soon-to-be ex-chairman of the US Federal Reserve. During his tenure he has overseen a massive bond-buying programme, the likes which the world has never seen. Now, as he steps down to hand over the reins of power, he is tapering off the amount of – let’s be honest – money printing</b?."

    In ‘World Made by Hand’ (2008) Jim describes a world where the dollar has lost so much value that a creel of trout is worth $1000.00. A situation caused by the U.S. government printing massive amounts of money to do the red queen shuffle in its last final fading days before the 12:21 of L.A. and D.C..

    “Well, in our country,” said Alice, still panting a little, “you’d generally get to somewhere else — if you run very fast for a long time, as we’ve been doing.”

    “A slow sort of country!” said the Queen. “Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!”

    The world has warmed so now the big north pole nail that keeps the winds spinning around the globe in an orderly fashion has come loose and snow makes the southern U.S. biosphere shiver.

    And all idiots can do is talk about traffic problems in Atlanta.


    • BackRowHeckler January 31, 2014 at 4:09 pm #

      Yet, K dog, on CNBC and other business venues, all the talk is about deflation, not inflation. Where the deflationary pressure is coming from I don’t know.


      • K-Dog January 31, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

        Very bad news then. The total money supply increases but most citizens have less resulting in deflation. What percentage is getting the cash? Could it be the 1%? Hmmmmmmmmm. But then what do the talking heads know but what they read on their script.

  111. Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

    Amnesty will be ruinous to America – which is why Arn and Loony Loonger desire it. They don’t even have to think about it – it just that obvious to them. Their hatred is instinctive at this point – just like a bacteria moves towards sugar they support what is destructive. Trust their instincts. They know their business.


    • Looongerbeard January 31, 2014 at 11:03 pm #


      Begone, racist fool!

  112. ajmuste January 31, 2014 at 5:26 pm #

    There is a lot of govt. sock puppet stalker disinformation on CFN when it comes to immigration. Here are some facts:

    ** Economists generally agree that immigration reform will boost the overall economy. Oppose immigration if you want to wreck the economy. I think CFN trolls want to wreck the economy by opposing immigration reform of any kind, especially those Mexicans.

    ** Migration from Mexico, the largest sending country of undocumented immigrants, now stands at net zero or less. Now that immigration from Mexico has stopped and borders are secure, we should grant full amnesty to all those who are here without documents and get on with our business with the help of 11 million new citizens.

    ** And Latinos know about business. The Hispanic community is highly entrepreneurial. Latinos opened twice as many businesses as the national average in the 2000s, according to U.S. Census data cited by Businessweek.

    ** That is why each generation of Latinos tends to do better economically than the generation that preceeded it, according a 2011 study by the Migration Policy Institute. They are not lazy, and are not just here for benefits. They work and pay taxes.

    ** On the contrary, Hispanics use less than their fair share of government benefits, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Latinos make up 16 percent of the population, but receive 12 percent of benefits. Non-Hispanics whites, by contrast, account for 64 percent of the population, but receive 69 percent of entitlement benefits.

    ** The Latino vote is not a monolith. George W. Bush, for example, won a strong 44 percent of the Latino vote in 2004. Of course, if the GOP’s base continues to respond to the prodding of pundits like Ann Coulter, it’s hard to imagine why Hispanics would feel welcome in the GOP.

    • BackRowHeckler January 31, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

      Why is Mexico such a sh-thole then? Why are so many Mexicans so desperate to get out?


      • Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 6:56 pm #

        Mexico is full of Mexicans. That’s why they want out. Can you blame them? To be less snarky: Mexico is ruled by Whites who value themselves. Rather than fight with those Whites, they come here to take from the White weaklings. It’s all been arranged at a very high level between our Elite and the Mexican. The actual process will be very messy but there’s no doubt about what the political zeitgeist is or the manufactured consent.

        Of course the States lost their national guards and now they are just locally stationed Federal Troops. So throwing a monkey wrench in the works isn’t going to be easy.

        • BackRowHeckler January 31, 2014 at 7:30 pm #

          I think I read Mexico has 14 or 15 Billionaires. Why don’t they spread the wealth around a little bit, to their fellow Mexicans?

          Why isn’t the Mexican Govt. required to pick up some of the tab for the cost of educating and providing medical care for Mexican Nationals in the US. Also, for keeping them in our prisons? Why do we have to pay for it? What do we owe these people, who come her illegally?


    • K-Dog January 31, 2014 at 8:48 pm #

      There is a lot of govt. sock puppet stalker disinformation on CFN

      If someone is a double double agent, does that make them a triple or quadruple agent? Are pentagonal or hexagonal agents destined to be part of the zig-zag mix?

      Will there be no end to the nonsense before TEOTWAWKI?

  113. Janos Skorenzy January 31, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    Pat talks about the Great Betrayal – he’s right as usual just as Loonger and Arn are always wrong. There’s probably nothing wrong with the minds or IQ’s. It’s that their Hearts are rotten apples. That utterly distorts their minds and personalities.


    • BackRowHeckler January 31, 2014 at 7:21 pm #

      Ya Vlad, strange how things have worked out here (in the US).

      Strangest thing for me: Being in a public place and hearing every language spoken except English. That’s what happened at Sears a few weeks ago. I was there to get some handtools; one of the salesmen in the tool dept was evidently from Africa and was wearing traditional African garb, leopardskins. (I see the US Army and Marine Corps have to let Sihk and Muslim soldiers wear beards)

      I’ve always been a big fan of Pat Buchanan. I can see the day pretty soon where columns such as the one above will be banned, or at least heavily censored.


    • SubatomicUniverse February 2, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

      “Hearts of rotten apples”.

      I know a rotten APPLE or two.

      But I wonder about your IQ.

  114. progress4what January 31, 2014 at 7:49 pm #

    “…columns such as the one above will be banned, or at least heavily censored.” – brh, on pb –

    That day is here, backrow. Try finding any mention of Buchanan on any of the non-Fox mainstream media.

    What you find plenty of mention of is non-Buffet billionaires.

    For example, Zuckerberg – arguing for a USA of 0.5 billion+ ASAP.

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    • K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 1:23 am #

      0.5 billion all drinking high fructose corn syrup and eating cheese puffs. Would there enough to go around and keep everyone at 400 pounds? If so half a billion tipping the scale at 400 hundred pounds could all jump up and down at once and wake up China. And with all that virgin skin real estate the tattoo industry could save the economy.

      Jobs, we don’t need no stinkin jobs. We can tattoo each other.

  115. progress4what January 31, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

    ajsoak and zuckerberg use the same tactics and racist language


    “CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA — and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with — were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton,” -article-

  116. K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 1:12 am #

    Another winning metaphor is the supernatural amount of cash-money on display in almost every episode once Walter gets rolling in the meth trade, duffle-bags full of exquisite, freshly packed-and-stacked banknotes, so much that tossing a quarter-million here, a quarter million there loses its meaning. The stuff is tossed around like junk mail. This is not inadvertent, of course. It depicts nicely the disintegration of America’s value system: money is everything and nothing.

    And the high point of the series theatre is the pallet of Benjamins stashed in an ordinary rented self storage garage.

    I seriously think having all that cash on display gives a feel good illusion that everything is all right with America. That half the action takes place in isolated remote locations only reached by long drives by automobile gives an impression of cheap gas and energy-a-plenty. It is a fantasy but a fantasy which lets us escape the harsh reality of the looming third world class depression that stalks the land. A depression that in our heart of hearts we all know is coming.

    How Junk Economists Help The Rich Impoverish The Working Class — Paul Craig Roberts

    Smell anything burning? That would be your hair. You will be feeling it soon.

  117. progress4what February 1, 2014 at 9:19 am #

    That’s an interesting point, k9.

    And it probably points out more illogic in Bromine Boron. Most/all of the money in the meth trade comes from users. So that money comes in, in the form of dirty wadded up 10’s and 20’s.

    What magical process would transform it into a pallet of clean cash in a warehouse. Never mind – in the real world, that process happens with the collusion of one or more employees of a major bank. Maybe Walt visited Goldman Sachs for this “service,” in an episode that I missed. (Disclaimer – I missed all but 4 episodes.)

    So, here we have yet another reason that drugs will never be decriminalized in favor of treatment for addicts – major banks would lose the “skim” from money laundering.

    You know – back in the ’70’s, before cheap effective drug testing – maybe it was logical of major employers* to force criminalization of the drug trade.

    But now, if a person wants to work, they have to be, pretty much drug-free, to satisfy employer drug test protocols.

    Making current drug policy even more counterproductive and stupid.

    *major employers – yeah – and the biggest employer of all was the draft-dependent US Army, and the rest of the armed forces.

    One conclusion TPTB drew from BushII’s cocaine-fueled AWOL binge was, “We better make this sh*t SERIOUSLY illegal.”

    So they did.

    • BackRowHeckler February 1, 2014 at 11:58 am #

      P2C, I was more than a little surprised by the coverage of the clogged interstates around Atlanta. I always thought of Georgia as largely rural with plenty of open space. You’re right, what a clusterf-ck! You say too many people, but it looks to me like too many automobiles. Just like around here. In the days, not long ago, if you were on the farm, or could walk to shop or factory in the village by the river, a little snow was no problem, maybe even a magical experience. Now that everybody is a mad commuter with their jobs miles from home, reachable only by automobile, snow is a major disaster, a catastrophe! I look at that massive traffic jam in Atlanta, involving tens of thousands of cars, and think, how long can this go on?


      • K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 2:29 pm #

        How long can this go on? Until the snow melts.

        Now if you are noticing that there is a bigger picture problem with a society that can’t function without automobiles; that automobiles use a substance that does not replenish and is only found underground in foreign lands, that would be enlightenment.

        But snow, northern states know how to work with the seasons and in time the southern states could learn. But the time is not there. Now that the winds wobble; snowploughs in Atlanta would not return their investment before gas gets far to expensive to clog any freeways.

        The smart thing to do is to stay home in cities which have no experience with snow. That way an idiot who can’t drive in it won’t run into you and cost you far more than a day’s pay.

        • Farmer McGregor February 1, 2014 at 2:55 pm #


          You’ve nailed the ultimate predicament that’s going to cripple car culture: resources. Atlanta has no snow plows on the front of big dump trucks that are sprinkling sand and salt on the roads to keep them navigable. Here in Colorado, the monies spent state-wide on keeping roads open pushes into the nine digits. And this is bound to grow as the cost of fuel and all the other materials and infrastructure required by the state DOT as well as counties and municipalities inexorably rises. You should see the RIDICULOUS traffic that crawls up and down I-70 west of Denver every weekend to access the ski slopes.

          When those funds can no longer be appropriated, a lot more folks will just have to stay home. Already, some of the rural county roads no longer get plowed because the local jurisdictions just can’t afford it.

          And you are correct about other drivers; around here, we don’t sweat about taking our own vehicle on the slick roads, we worry about the other idiots out there…


      • Farmer McGregor February 1, 2014 at 2:37 pm #


        I’m in northern Colorado where we just got eight (more) inches of snow, and life goes on, schools are open, neighbors are driving to town anyway… Heck, in Fargo, eight inches is just a large flurry.

        We have a son (Colorado native) in Atlanta who was telling us funny stories about all those “snow sissies” that let a barely-two-inch snowfall rock their world (he enjoyed coaching folks to get their cars un-stuck, sometimes just from their parking space!). Of course, it resulted in “black ice” on the roads which, when you don’t have plow trucks out spreading a salt/sand mixture (and pre-treating the roads with liquid mag-chloride), can be treacherous to any vehicle no matter how heavy or well-treaded — short of studded snow tires or chains. Add to this the total lack of experience driving in such conditions, and you’re pretty much screwed.

        I say this to underscore, not negate your points. Automobile dependency is an extremely unnatural and vulnerable state of existence. If I had to drive thirty miles to and from my cubicle every day I would quit. Oh yeah! I did just that! Of course, now I live a paupers existence trying to farm a small acreage, but I’ll be darned if I don’t eat well! ($7/dozen eggs and $20/lb grass-fed beef for breakfast, all home grown and harvested) And when it snows, we stay indoors except for the minimum required critter chores.

        Be well, –Greg

    • K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 2:06 pm #

      You have an interesting point.

      Yes a magical process transformed all the crumpled fives tens and twenties into crisp clean Benjamins. The only way that could happen is with government which does not watch the banks, totally unregulated banking. More disconnection from reality to transport a viewer into a comfortable cocoon of never never land fantasy.

      Drug testing, it kills employee morale and makes them feel powerless. A euphemism for employee rape. I’ve no respect for it. If an employee is a problem they can be canned, simple as that. There never was a need for drug testing. It is the embodiment of guilty until proven innocent. And all for no good reason. A piss in a cup is a piss on the social contract.

      But the most offensive thing to me in the whole sordid business is how willing the American people were to have an unlubed finger of the corporate hand slide up their bunghole. Social contract? What’s that?

      Would any of the founding fathers have peed in a cup. No.

      Founding fathers understood privacy freedom and rights. In their time white smocked smiling technicians holding plastic cups would have swung from trees. As they should now. But in a world of addle minded sheep who have lost the ability to think for themselves that is my private dream. Americans don’t need drugs to be out of touch with reality. They do quite well on their own. And when one looses the ability to think for oneself authority becomes worshipped. Evil becomes good because good becomes too hard to think about.

      The ease with which everyone accepted drug testing tells me that when the crows come home to roost it will all be quite deserved.

      • BackRowHeckler February 1, 2014 at 2:41 pm #

        Its the Brave New World, right down to the effeminate, pasty faced technicians in white coats …

  118. I-Heart Pork February 1, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

    As I mentioned earlier, my adopted parents were spies for the state department aside from being respectable academicians, so on occasion they would avail me of the generalities of what was going on, and sometimes even the specifics especially in the latter years when they had distanced themselves from their former craft––but like the Hotel California, even though they checked out of the spy business, they could never leave. Consequently, they could never rid themselves of it; it constantly showed up at their (our) doorstep…unwelcome near the end. I believe they assassinated my mother. The police never found the cabbie who ran my mother down, and over, as she stepped off the curb onto Madison Ave. after exiting Lobel’s Prime Meats on the upper east side at 82nd St. with a Kurobuta Boston Butt roast in hand. She was quite literally run over by a speeding cab that never stopped let alone slowed down according to witnesses. We never did find the responsible cabbie and the police were less than helpful. I think they were ordered from on high not to investigate this hit & run too vigorously, so they didn’t, and my mother’s murderer was never found and brought to justice. It was 1985, and my father declined emotionally and physically after my dear mother was cut down that fateful Spring day at the age of 78.

    As spies in academia, my adopted parents’ mission was to root out and report on suspected communist and fascist collaborators, but their mission wasn’t just collaborators in academia, although that was the majority of it. They were also solicited to report on Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and other Jewsih communists with whom they were good friends. My parents spent considerable time with Ethel and Julius and were friends with them even before my sister and I were adopted in 1945. Mom and dad would have the Rosenbergs over a couple of times a year at least, and yes, often they would serve pork and the Rosenbergs loved it. Although, on occasion, Ethel would insist on cooking her famous liver & onions…which was marvelous by the way. They were both highly intelligent, very sweet and caring people if not a bit naïve. They never suspected my parents were spies until the very end right before their execution when my parents were allowed to visit them and ask for their forgiveness. My parents never thought their reporting would ever have been used to execute Ethel & Julius, and in fact, the execution of the Rosenbergs is what turned my parents off to the spy business. My mother cried for days when their death was announced and my father was depressed for months. They realized they had been duped by the fascist faction of the state department that was winning the internecine war within the shadows of government at the time.

    In the intervening years between the execution of the Rosenbergs and the execution of my mother, my parents did still engage in some spy activity but nothing resembling their prior extent. They would apprise me of the battles being waged by the various factions in government; the fascists, the communists and the global capitalists. At various times, one or another of these factions would get the upper hand and sometimes they would tag-team with each other against another faction but there was an ebb and a flow of power and no particular faction maintained the upper hand until the late 1970s when the communists developed a new, stealth strategy and pretended to be something they weren’t. As my parents indicated, it was a long-term strategic approach that would take decades to bear positive results and the ultimate consolidation of power. During these discussions they would occasionally name names, and in the early eighties I distinctly remember them warning about two people in particular; Bill de Blasio and Barack Obama. Of course, they referred to de Blasio as Warren Wilhelm in the early 1980s before he changed his name, and they did not give a name for Barack Obama, but what they did say about him was chilling and prophetic; they informed me that after the turn of the century a Black man would be “elected” president per the plan and it would serve as a coronation of the communist consolidation of power. My parents relayed that the man was currently being groomed for the job…that he was the progeny of a purposeful union to give birth to this future leader and that this individual would one day pass himself off as a uniter when his real purpose will be to turn the U.S. into a vassal of communism. Mom and dad mentioned that his name would be changed…that the changing of names was code, a call out, to fellow members and collaborators and a sure sign of a person’s affiliation and loyalty. It’s a sign of their strength and symbolic that they have seized power since they can now hide in plain sight and not be held to account for treason because with the transformation such acts will no longer be considered treasonous but instead magnanimous and praiseworthy.

    As mentioned, dad’s emotional, mental and physical health rapidly declined after the murder of my mother. Within a couple of years he began showing signs of dementia, and his physical appearance was increasingly derelict. Heretofore, he was a meticulous man in all things and he was particularly fastidious about his appearance and personal hygiene. BY 1988, however, he would shave only once a week, if that, and the same for bathing. His hair got greasier and unruly, his eyes more distant, his cheeks sallow and gaunt beneath his considerable stubble. He lost a lot of weight, although he was never a heavy man and as a result was always chilled even at the height of summer. He would wear flannel shirts with the top button fastened that he wouldn’t allow to be laundered but once a month.

    As the dementia took hold and worsened, we subleased his upper east side apartment and had him move in with us in our cottage in Litchfield County Connecticut. We hired a nurse to look after him and set him up in the guest house that connected to the main house via a trellised walkway covered in beautiful bougainvillea during the growing season. In his transition to severe dementia, he could be quite lucid and coherent on occasion, but this welcome behavior was often interspersed with bizarre ramblings and predilections. He fixated on the movie the Godfather and would watch it every day for months on end. He began to think of himself as Vito Corleone and in order to maintain a semblance of peace, we would often humor him with these escapades. He wanted a tomato garden like Vito’s, so we planted a tomato garden out back with him and let him tend to it like Vito did in his last year(s). He requested that his five year old great grandson, my grandson, chase him around the tomato garden with one of those old fashion plant sprayers from the movie. Do you know how hard it was to find one of those? I did though, because I loved my father and so my grandson, Mark, would chase great granddad around the garden. Thankfully, dad didn’t fall over and die from a massive heart attack like Vito, although that seems to be what my father wanted but that’s the one thing we couldn’t accommodate. We even supplied the orange so he could make the scary orange peel in the mouth face Vito made in that famous, touching scene.

    In the spirit of the movie the Godfather, my father would like to have talks with me out near the tomato garden just like Vito did with Michael. It was bizarre and surreal but we felt compelled to humor him rather than resist his harmless intentions and cause unnecessary strife and conflict. He began to resemble Vito in every way. He would put cotton balls in his mouth and like I said earlier, his chin was stubbly, his cheeks gaunt, his eyes tired and fading, and his flannel shirt buttoned all the way to the top. I was stoned during some of these chats out back (yes, like so many others, I took my work home with me and my work was cannabis exploration), and sometimes it really freaked me out…like I couldn’t tell fantasy from fiction. Like Vito would warn Michael about the Barzini business, my father, sounding very much like Vito, would say “about this de Blasio business, the man’s a traitor…he’s not to be trusted.” I would say “I know pop, you mentioned that already” and he would respond “oh yeah, that’s right. I’m sorry.” He would then say “I’ve done things in my life I’m not proud of, but I did those things to protect my family and my country, and for that I will not apologize. But Michael (he insisted all calling me Michael), I never wanted any of this for you….” He would go on and on reciting, approximately, the lines of that garden scene from the Godfather and made me recite Michael’s lines to include saying pezzonovante like Michael says to his father when Vito says that’s what he wanted for Michael…for Michael to be a bigshot.

    My point with all this is that my parents knew what was happening to America and forewarned what has come to pass. My father, through his mentally crippling dementia, was so adamant in his conviction that he continued to warn about the evil Bill de Blasio to his very end. And here we are. Barry and Warren are in power just as my parents warned. The coup, the consolidation of power, is complete. It’s too late and I’m afraid for my children and grandchildren about what comes next. As I type this, de Blasio is rolling back an effective law & order tool in New York City; stop & frisk. Within a year or two, crime rates are going to soar. The criminals who carry guns illegally will now feel emboldened and a violent crime wave will be unleashed. The very people the communists claim are afflicted by stop & frisk are the very people who will be mostly afflicted by its cessation. This is what communists do; they get the masses to murder each other under the guise of equality.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 1:58 am #

      I met Barry once on University Avenue in Seattle in the 80s and we had a short talk. He said he was going to be president some day which struck me as odd. How could he, a young man in his twenties, already know that? He said he was out looking for people to help him run the country.

      Initially he thought I’d be one of his people as he recognized my intelligence and thoughtfulness. Our political ideas at first seemed congruent but then he realized I was not an elitist and he soured on me. When his attitude shifted I became aware that he was a stubborn and inflexible man. Until that point I had been thinking well of him too.

      Seems he thought people without money would not deserve ‘to make it through’ the coming oil troubles which I mentioned, and which as it turned out, he already knew about. He said the pentagon has know about the oil shortage problem for years. He said that there was going to be a very rough ride at the end and Americans were just going to have to just sit back and enjoy the show.

      And by the way:

      Bougainvillea will not take a Connecticut winter.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:25 am #

      Hotel California

  119. ajmuste February 1, 2014 at 2:48 pm #

    Carole, your fiction writing does not convince me you are Jewish.

    Your verbosity exceeds one screen of text, which is the rule of thumb I try to follow in order to bring concision and brevity to my posts.

    Nor do you convince me to fear Bill de Blasio or “Barry” or “Warren” or what you call “bad Jews.”

    There are no bad Jews on CFN, only anti-Semites.

    Post as much as you like, until JHK decides to ban you, but I cannot promise to read posts that go beyond one screen of text.

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  120. ajmuste February 1, 2014 at 2:54 pm #

    “But snow, northern states know how to work with the seasons and in time the southern states could learn.” — K-Dog

    Southerners are intelligent. It is not a question of learning, but of political ideology. You see, government is bad. Less government is better. That’s what many Southerners believe. So they don’t invest in public infrastructure.

    I’m not talking massive or high-tech investments. I’m talking dump trucks filled with sand to provide traction on the roads. But that would mean spending taxes to provide government services to benefit the common good. And Government is bad. Taxes are bad: So the snow will paralyze them every time.

    • Farmer McGregor February 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm #


      I have trouble with the ‘govt is bad’ argument for the lack of snow plows. Lack of motive to invest hundreds of millions in equipment and infrastructure, acquiring and storing stockpiles of salt/sand during the summer to prepare for winter — just in case a once every few years event like this one might occur — would be fiscally imprudent far more than politically anathema.

      When we get too much snow, the city shuts down; schools, churches, govt offices and businesses close up, and everybody stays home. That’s the lesson that southern states could learn, not “spending taxes to provide government services to benefit the common good” for what are actually very rare weather situations.

      Cheers, –Greg

      • K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm #

        A once every few years event?

        Just because that is the way it has been is no guarantee that that is the way it will remain. A cold north pole was a nail in the middle of of climatic pinwheel that kept the jet streams in a nice predictable pattern. With that nail loose the winds circling the globe are now becoming chaotic and wild extremes in weather will become commonplace.

        This will mean crop failure, biosphere change, and high food prices for some, starvation for others. When political events make oil too expensive farming will suffer and America will suddenly be aware it became overpopulated beyond any point of sustainability or social stability and has been for years. When oil becomes expensive death shall become cheap.

        Millions in equipment and infrastructure we shall need. To support farming in suburban front lawns and the total reorganization of current living arrangements. Not for snow removal.

        Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. Bean fields paved over for parking lots will be stripped of asphalt coatings and will once again become bean fields.. Ticky tacky homes miles from towns will be stripped of anything useful and their foundations razed to return the land on which they were built to the farmland that was there before homes. The scrap wood which can’t be recycled will be turned to biochar to feed the depleted land. Surviving residents will fight for scant housing in towns and cities to which they will be forced to move hoping to find enough work with which to feed themselves.

        • K-Dog February 1, 2014 at 5:19 pm #

          Sorry about the typos there Farmer McGregor. That one was a stream of consciousness in a short window of time between actually accomplishing some constructive things in my life. I was just checking in to see if I had been recently insulted.

          Which happens.

          • Farmer McGregor February 2, 2014 at 1:11 am #

            Sorry about the typos there Farmer McGregor. –K-Dog

            No sweat. I really have no intention of playing Q on CFN, even though I get a kick out of him (her?) playing school marm with his big red pen. I spot many of the same errors that he later calls out. The only reason I picked on your earlier post was because you started it by offering your own self-corrections, but not thoroughly enough.

            As to your “stream of consciousness” screed: a worthy, enjoyable, well-worded and largely inarguable bark-fest it was.

            A couple of discussion points provoked therein beg my reply. Concerning the polar vortex events: they are nothing new. The property I’m on had forty acres of apple and cherry orchards until just such an event (an Alaska Blaster one meteorologist calls it) which extended from Montana to Texas came through around 1951 and killed most of the once abundant orchards along the eastern front range. I still have about a dozen hundred year old cider apple trees that survived the deep freeze (we’re grafting scions from them onto hardy crab apple roots to preserve the variety). The low temperature record for that event has not yet been broken.

            The weather people around here usually refer to the deep-freeze events as “arctic air masses”. Really nothing new, maybe more frequent though (usually just twice or thrice per winter, not every three weeks), and more frequently severe or happening earlier or later in the season. We’ve seen a lot of freaky weather in recent years, not to mention massive forest fires (the High Park fire — +/-90K acres two years ago — rained embers on us that would burn your skin and made us breath smoke like we were sitting in a campfire for several weeks) and the resulting charcoal floods every time the hills get much moisture too quickly. My irrigation ditches got filled to the top with fine charcoal from the river we draw out of — charcoal that we are warned to treat as hazardous waste since the fire retardant compound they dump all over the burn is toxic.

            Speaking of charcoal… “The scrap wood which can’t be recycled will be turned to biochar“. I’m not so optimistic. My expectation is that most of the dismantled home lumber will be burned to keep folks from freezing. The population is far too large (as you point out) for the amount of firewood that will be needed once the nat-gas quits flowing; we’ll quickly de-forest all land within walking distance, then burn anything else we can get our hands on.

            Poor folks in the slums of countries south of ours burn plastic trash from the landfills to cook their food (Ach! Toxic!). Historically, this deforestation problem has taken down many societies, including some Native American nations. That we’ll be smart enough to implement biochar on any significant scale is a stretch, a very long stretch. Most will be doing good to just learn some basic gardening skills at all.

            p.s. I love that little hyperlink trick you explained recently. Thanks!

  121. progress4what February 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

    Yeah, backrow, you could say that Georgia is mostly rural. Of course, upstate New York is rural until you get fairly close to NYC.

    The problem with Georgia (population 9 million) is that 6 of those 9 million live in metropolitan Atlanta. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Georgia_population_map.png

    And, yeah, there are too many cars there – but those cars are simply there in support of too many people. What JHK refers to as “sunk cost” means that metro Atlanta won’t work without cars and trucks. Work commuting is just the half of it. The average high school is 2000 kids, usually with 3 elementary schools of about 1000 students each feeding into it. Region wide traffic is NOTICEABLY lighter on days when schools are out of session.

    I’ve owned (past tense – I’m slowly divesting) real estate all over metro Atlanta. When getting work done, I always used to try to favor contractors in physical proximity to a particular piece of property. But that doesn’t seem to impact price any more – contractors just plan to drive a lot.

    Atlanta is truly *unsustainable* without private transportation!

    That could be why I’m so aware of (and fearful of) population growth. I watched Atlanta go from less than 1 million when I was a kid – to six million today.

    That which can not be sustained – won’t be.


    On a lighter note, this cold weather has almost doubled my firewood burn rate. Normally, I burn slightly more than a cord of wood per winter, heating almost exclusively with wood.

    I went out and scrounged up about a quarter cord today – and I’ve got my eye of some dead standing timber here and there that I save for emergencies.

    Plus, I’ve got next years cord of wood cut up in firewood lengths already, seasoning. In case of a real emergency – defined by me as long-term electricity outage during cold temps – I can always dig into next years wood with a maul and sledgehammer.

  122. progress4what February 1, 2014 at 3:33 pm #

    A guy named Alan Bates ranked a bunch of “future thinkers” on a graph. X-axis goes from peaceful future to violent future. Y-axis goes from ecotopia to collapse.


    He redid the graph a couple of times – and our JHK remains firmly in the center (0,0) of every graph. Take a look, it’s a pretty cool idea.


    Plus, it will give you some names you may not have heard of – that was the case for me, anyway.


    And Georgia/Atlanta has plenty of salt/sand trucks and PLENTY of government employees. Many jurisdictions are also successfully using private contractors to spread salt and plow roads. But you can’t plow a road that’s covered with cars.

    And when you have two inches of snow fall on cold pavement, and send all the schoolchildren and most private employees home all at once, and in the middle of the day – then the snow is going to be QUICKLY packed into a quarter inch of black ice. And you can’t move a snowplow when the roads are covered with cars. duh.

    Maybe the big difference is – when an unexpected snow hits in the middle of the day up North – – people just look out the window for a second and say, “hmm, it’s snowing again.” And then they all go home on a normal schedule, like always. So the plows have time and space to get the job done.

    Another thing about metro Atlanta is topographic relief – which varies by 100’s of feet throughout the region. And since many of the roads follow creek valleys and old Indian trails – many of the major intersections are also locations of major elevation change, making it hard to stop, and then get going again.

    I was out taking care of some animals just after the height of the snowfall, up here on a State road in the mountains. And I came to a spot where there was salt and sand HEAVILY spread on the road. It took me a second to realize that a snowplow had gotten stuck – and had to back and fill, and make use of liberal amounts of salt and gravel – to free himself.

    • Neon Vincent February 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm #

      P4W, those links are the most useful things I’ve ever seen you post here. Thank you.

  123. progress4what February 1, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

    “There are no bad Jews on CFN, only anti-Semites. ”

    – aj must be something –

    AJ – that statement is evidence of racism, on at least two levels.

  124. ajmuste February 1, 2014 at 3:48 pm #

    I have trouble with the ‘govt is bad’ argument for the lack of snow plows. Lack of motive to invest hundreds of millions in equipment and infrastructure, acquiring and storing stockpiles of salt/sand during the summer — Farmer

    I did not say snow plows. They are more expensive and have a sole purpose. I was talking about sand spread using trucks. Trucks are multi-purpose and can be used all year round. I have seen stockpiles of sand in many parts of the country. The sand just sits there. It does not spoil. It doesn’t matter if it is only needed once every few years.

    Preparing for winter during the summer is called planning. Governments do that sort of thing in anticipation of need. If you calculate how much is lost financially from a paralyzed city, compared to how much could be saved by a little government planning and infrastructure purchasing, I’m not sure if it is any more expensive to plan ahead, prepare for winter, and spend tax dollars to do it.

    In the winter of 2010 Atlanta shut down for a week due to snow. They called it Snow Jam. Snow Jam ended up costing Atlanta about $300 million when all was said and done. You can buy a lot of sand and spread it with trucks, for a whole lot less than $300 million. Planning ahead with government spending may be the most fiscally responsible thing to do.

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  125. BackRowHeckler February 1, 2014 at 4:23 pm #

    Hey P2C I was wondering what kind of lumber you’re sawing up and splitting for firewood in central Georgia? Is it oak and maple like here? We also have a little apple and cherry, apple being my favorite since it seems to split better.

    Nice to hear from Farmer MacGregor in Colorado, a new voice? in CFNation.

    What happened to Ozone?


    • Farmer McGregor February 2, 2014 at 12:03 am #

      Nice to hear from Farmer MacGregor in Colorado, a new voice? in CFNation. –BRH

      Been reading CFN for several years, but don’t really have much to offer as comments, don’t have time to fool with it, and am generally averse to engaging in mindless quibbles with contentious jackasses (no offense intended toward you — if I considered you to be a member of that category, I certainly wouldn’t bother with a reply).

      With incessant snow falling here, I stayed at the computer long enough to venture into this (sometimes cess-) pool to test the waters. I apparently made enough ripples to get AJ’s attention…


    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 1:15 am #

      Maybe he got turned off by JHK’s harsh reply to one of his comments a few weeks ago. Sometimes it gets frustrating to keep posting on the same topic and nothing changes on the blog.

      Q comes and goes. He’ll be back.

  126. ajmuste February 1, 2014 at 6:11 pm #

    “What happened to Ozone?” — BRH

    And what happened to Qshtik?

    I wonder if he still thinks the Christie scandal is a “fart in a windstorm”?

    I wonder if he still thinks Christie is loving being at the center of all the publicity that has gone on for weeks? Longest fart in history.

    ‘We Hate Traffic!’…

    REPORT: Gov. Forbids Radio Hosts From Asking About Scandal…

    CLAIM: Christie Knew About Closings…

    Christie Changes His Story…

    Christie Goes After Wildstein, NY Times In Email…

    U.S. Attorney Issues New Subpoena…

    More Questions On Handling Of Sandy Relief Money…

    Biggest NJ Paper: Christie Should Resign If He Knew…

    • BackRowHeckler February 1, 2014 at 7:59 pm #

      Christie is f-cked. No two ways about it.


  127. beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 12:50 am #

    @ ajM:

    We are on the same page – that IHPork is or was formerly Carol Nordquist. I’ve thought that since Pork began writing these long stories with an attempt at a meticulous, but not really well-written biographical style. I, too, will not read too far into its (since I don’t know Pork’s gender) future screeds. I just don’t like the thinly disguised anti-semitism beneath the guise of being a Jew.

    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 12:52 am #

      And if Pork/Nordquist follows its former path, I see its postings degenerate into ever more outrageous comments.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:40 am #

      Carol was government.

  128. beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 1:09 am #

    @ Procon:

    Interesting graph. I placed myself right where Bates placed himself.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:21 am #

      That graph has drawn interesting reactions in the we need to change our ways blog community. Some have expressed their delight at not being included and some have taken issue with it. Were I on it I’d want to be placed smack in the middle. That way all options are open and possible, and the chance of getting arrested is minimized.

  129. K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:00 am #

    Bougainvillea will not take a Connecticut winter.

    True Story

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  130. Looongerbeard February 2, 2014 at 7:17 am #

    K, Farmer, Progress, Bean, et al,

    Nice to see intelligent discourse on this blog!
    I hope it continues!

    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:51 am #

      Thank you. Comment appreciated.

  131. I-Heart Pork February 2, 2014 at 8:09 am #

    There are some sick people posting here who would call an avowed Holocaust survivor a liar and accuse them of being the same poster from a previous era. I’ve read this blog for years before posting and have come to the conclusion that a cadre of avatars belong to the same person. That person is prolific on the internet, not just CFN. The following handles belong to a person known as Michael Sangree…also known as orionoir:

    ajmuste(formerly janet, adquatio and asoka before that)
    Janos Skorenzy
    Q. Shtik

    The pattern of these posters, and there have been others used by Sangree that he’s retired or doesn’t use all too often and there will be more, is to conduct a conversation only amongst his own avatars and exclude any other avatar that’s not his own thus controlling the tone and tenor of the conversation. Kunstler’s either naive and doesn’t see it, or he’s in on it which is kind of sick since you, Michael Sangree, stalk young teenage girls with intent to abduct. That is verifiable and on record, and when it was brought up on this board by Lord Blaby, all the avatars I just listed ignored it like the plague proving those avatars belong to the stalker of young teen females.

    As we speak. Sangree is pleading with Kunstler via email to let one of his favorite avatar characters, Q. Shtik, back on…that somehow there must be some mistake…it wasn’t him…he swears. It worked once before for Sangree with his Q. Shtik character, so Sangree thinks it will work again. He’s wrong. It won’t work this time.

    Sangree is mentally disturbed. He’s bipolar and I would say at this point, extremely dangerous. Someone who would go to these lengths is a menace to himself and society. I would think that authorities have him under surveillance and maybe it’s best he’s being a freak on the internet rather than out there burying young female teens out in the woods after playing little games with them, but still, I believe there haven’t been many fresh, unique faces in this comment section for some time besides Carol and a few others because of this Sangree blog hog. He doesn’t like competition. He’s very self-centered and must suck the oxygen out of any room he enters or any victim that happens to be his target du jour.

    beantownbill. says Q will be back because beantownbill. is Q who is Sangree. If Kunstler and Sangree are friends, and are gaming this thing together, that’s fine. I have friends too and there are ways to bring this whole thing down.

    • Looongerbeard February 2, 2014 at 11:03 am #

      Dude, this is just a blog, get a life!!

      • Ira February 2, 2014 at 11:24 am #

        I think the guy is awesome. He has a life. He’s had many lives. I think it’s you who needs to get a life. The people you adulated above are as boring as boring can be. I-Heart Pork is intriguing and inspiring and I agree with him about what’s been going on in this comment section. In fact, I think you’re one of the avatars to be added to the list he’s compiled.

  132. beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:48 am #

    Lol. If my wife finds out who I really am, I am so fucked! Wait a minute!
    What if my wife is one of my split personalities who isn’t real? What if I am really locked in a room in my parents’ basement?

    Thanks for an amusing post on an otherwise routine end-of-weekly-theme Sunday.

    Hey, Marlin, now you know why we think alike.

    Seriously, though, Pork/Nordquist is way out of line for outing Orionair. Charges against him were probably available somewhere on-line, as the other me, K-Dog, found out for himself. And he is a big-time liar, as he showed when he said my and ajMuste’s addresses were from the same location.

    This guy is dangerous, from an Internet perspective.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm #


      I can’t speak to if you are really locked in a room in your parents basement or not but I can assure you that you are not me. There is one and only one avitar for the dog.

      I am the dude

      Like look man. I don’t pretend to be someone else. Why would I? It makes no damn sense.

  133. Being There February 2, 2014 at 11:21 am #

    A Must Read. Michel Chossudovsky, Berlin, January 11, 2014 lecture in Germany.

    He does a masterful job at discussing the military/financial hegemony and the ongoing long war. If you want to understand the game of chess, I highly recommend this.


  134. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 11:29 am #

    “…A minority of posters creating the majority of the Sturm und Drang…” – ozone –

    Ozone only posted a couple of times this week, and the line above may sum up his sentiments. I see him over at the ArchDruid. I also saw WageLaborer over there. Personally, I like _some _of the battling over here, and I’d like to see both of those posters back in the fray.

    If someone is willing to post from an honest perspective, then I’ll always listen and think about what he or she has to say.

    JHK dislikes the “quarreling,” and asks that it be minimized.

    And I’m trying, boss. Truly.

    I guess what I dislike most is the deliberate lying by posters.

    More in a minute….

    And, BRH, I burn oak and hickory exclusively. I’ve been a little bit spoiled – clearing my land has given me a large supply of those two tree types. Some day I’ll look back with regret at all the maple and pine I’ve turned into “biochar,” but that day’s not here yet.

    And firewood won’t keep forever if not under cover.

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    • Ira February 2, 2014 at 11:40 am #

      Funny, I don’t see you over there. Why is that? Or are you over there as ozone and Wagelaborer but not prog? For those who aren’t part of this avatar clusterfuck prog is part of, try tracking down a real-life name for Wagelaborer. K-Dog and prog have claimed “she” was running for office yet there is no name for this candidate. It’s always been Wagelaborer. Of course, Wagelaborer’s still here. Anyone with half a brain knows that and anyone with half a brain now knows wagelaborer’s name in real life. They also know prog’s a molesting pervert who stalks young teenage girls.

      • progress4what February 2, 2014 at 11:48 am #

        I’m over there as “progessforconserving,” or something pretty close. I’m one single person, all of my handles always begin with “progress.”

        You, “carol,” “Iheartswine,” pointed out that that’s not very creative.

        So sue me, I suppose.

        And, BTW, BTB – It was carol “Newquist.” I believe you misspelled it.

        • Ira February 2, 2014 at 11:57 am #

          I have never seen you post over there. Try bringing your immigration schtick to the Archdruid Report and see how long you get to post before he censors and bans you. Michael, you are creative, I will give you that, it’s just that your characters are boring and unimaginative and the conversation you have with yourself is dull and uninspired. When someone tries to interject some life into the mix that isn’t you, you can’t handle it. I know it’s your condition, but you would think that now that you’re in your early fifties, you’d be better able to handle it. Sorry about your Q. There will more of that to come, I’m afraid, until you come clean if you can.

      • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 12:53 pm #

        The reason we don’t idiot is because we don’t have her permission to do so.

        • Ira February 2, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

          Why would you need permission? If the person runs for office, then their name must be public. They can’t run as an avatar. Or maybe they can to someone as mentally ill as you appear to be.

          • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm #

            Decency requires I do so.

  135. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 11:42 am #

    “I believe there haven’t been many fresh, unique faces in this comment section for some time besides Carol and a few others…”

    – I Heart Pork outs himself as “carol” –

    I will also suggest that “ira,” as a brand new poster suddenly speaking on your behalf – is also due to the same underlying person.

    As to whether both are posting from the same IP address, only our host knows for sure.

    Although, my understanding is that it’s fairly easy to generate a fake IP.


    “where’s the admonishment for someone arrested for attempted abduction of a 14 year old teenage girl? You, and all of your avatars, were silent. You are silent. Your silence juxtaposed with your false accusations of me imply tacit approval of child molestation and rape.” – carol –

    You are making several errors of logic:

    1. You assume that arrest always means guilt.

    2. You believe that condemnation by strangers is punishment.

    3. You think silence (by anonymous strangers on the open internet, no less) means approval.

    • Ira February 2, 2014 at 11:51 am #

      Although, my understanding is that it’s fairly easy to generate a fake IP.

      You would know. You’re the smartest dumbass Georgia redneck I’ve ever encountered. Was your dad a doctor? A gastroenterologist perhaps? Georgia rednecks don’t write like you. Who are you really, prog? Come on, give us your real name so we can validate your credentials to ensure you’re straight forward and up and not involved in any monkey business, otherwise you’re whatever we say you are. Why are you afraid to give your real-life name? You’re not paranoid, are you? What do you have to hide?

  136. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 11:59 am #

    “You’re the smartest dumbass Georgia redneck….”
    – carol/ira/dave/pork –

    Out of all that, you only got “Georgia” correct.

    And maybe “smartest,” but I hate to brag.

    And I share my name with an infamous politician.

    Even if I gave it to you, you wouldn’t be able to find “me.”

    Tough titty.

    • Ira February 2, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

      Sure thing. Whatever you say. The information you’ve provided as background for this avatar doesn’t square with the writing no matter how much you’ve tried to dumb yourself down for it. You need to work on it. It’s actually gotten worse over time, meaning watching the progression of the prog avatar, you’ve slipped and are making him sound too intelligent for his station in life. But that’s the problem when you’re juggling so many avatars at once. There’s no way to maintain consistent nuance for those watching ever so closely like we are.

  137. Being There February 2, 2014 at 12:08 pm #

    It’s Baaaack…….Hey guys, stop giving Carol what she wants. It’s clear by all the invectives being thrown who this is.

    Stop fighting. Read the Chossudovsky lecture I posted. Really worth your while. Try to make this site about sharing perceptions and information.

    • progress4what February 2, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

      I’ve got it in an open tab, BT. I’m gonna’ read it, I swear!

      Good to see you, btw!

      • Being There February 2, 2014 at 1:14 pm #

        Thanks. I don’t have a lot of time, so arguing with irrational people is just too time consuming. I never mind a cogent argument, but just can’t get into the mosh pit that this site often is.

  138. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm #

    Here’s part of a post of mine at ADR. He insists that all posts address the topic of that particular week. That week’s topic was “sustainable technologies.”

    “Progress and Conserve said… http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2014/01/seven-sustainable-technologies.html?showComment=1389987522389#c5178799795411072152

    “OK, I’ve got one that must be considered – Sustainable Law Enforcement.

    In the more homogenous communities of my youth, the law was generally enforced by one or a few men, equipped with guns and badges, to be sure – but mostly equipped with iron willpower, and the tacit support of the society at large.

    But today, law enforcement has come to rely much more on technology, massive manpower, and SWAT operations employed freely. An energy-descending future is going to reverse all of this.

    What started me thinking about this was Bill Pulliam’s: “Marin — ah, yes, that good old ideological apartheid. When you say “like minded” I am guessing you also mean “like-colored” and “of like socio-economic status” (yes, I have been there). No need to be molested by people who view the world differently than you do, no need to be concerned with folks who don’t have sizable bank accounts. That is not the future, it is an escapist fantasy”

    Bill, I disagree. Throughout history, people have lived in tribes or villages where most everyone was “like-colored” and of a similar (usually very low) socioeconomic status. I think the misty future will see most humans return to this, as prosperity ebbs.

    Unless, that is, someone can devise a system of sustainable and very low-tech law enforcement – to hold down the property crimes AND to keep your various groups away from each other’s throats.

    And JMG, you’ll want to ask what I’m doing now to help law enforcement transition to a lower energy future. I’ll tell you, but in a later post. I think I’m about at the “blogger limit” for this one.”

    And here’s just ONE response, by “Enrique:”

    “Progress and Conserve is quite right. The sort of multiculturalism that we accept as the norm today and view as a human right is another offshoot of the fossil fuels boom and derivative effects like globalization. Historically, people lived in communities of people who were like them, and this has always been the normal way of things. This is especially true since different cultures and ethnic groups often have radically different beliefs and cultural values, and it’s not always possible to split the difference or dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator”

    • progress4what February 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

      Just two more points for carol/dave/swine/etc:

      1. “Enrique” (and the 6 ADR posters who commented back to me) are obviously ALSO bill of boston, orionoir, backrowheckler,and me!

      Where will this madness end?

      2. “carol/pork” is now checking my blogger ID at ADR. No information to be found there. I’m sorry. NOT!

      My blogger ID had 39 page views. Bet it will soon have 40.

      Too much fun!

      • Ira February 2, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

        True, we did just check your blogger profile and you knew that? How? The only way you could have without guessing was to have access to my browser or to have administrative rights to this blog’s software and see a link being followed. If it’s the latter, who would have access to Kunstler’s blog software besides Kunstler? It gets more interesting. What’s you real name, prog? Tell us. Surely you have nothing to hide.

        • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:56 pm #

          True, we did just check

          I think that is called a Freudian slip.

        • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

          True we did just check.

          That’s what I wanted. But why the bullshit? If you right click on your own blogger profile you can see how many people have checked you out. I’m sure you know that.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 2, 2014 at 4:05 pm #

      The Druid is a Traitor. He looks forward to an Asian/Hispanic Culture. He’s not worthy of his White skin.

  139. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

    Let me remind all and sundry that our host is opposed to high rates of immigration:

    “My tea party would reduce legal immigration to a tiny trickle and get serious about enforcing sanctions against people who are here without permission. A New York Times editorial last week expressed the Democratic-progressive view in typically tortured style, saying of the recent Arizona law:

    ..it makes a crime out of being a foreigner in the state without papers — in most cases a civil violation of federal law. This is an invitation to racial profiling, an impediment to effective policing and a usurpation of federal authority….

    The fine distinction they want to apply in this matter between civil and criminal law is the same as NPR’s house style of referring to illegal immigrants as “undocumented” – leaving the impression that the only problem for these people is a some bureaucratic glitch rather than a transgression of law.” – jhk –

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    • Being There February 2, 2014 at 1:41 pm #


      I was very active on this blog for over 3 years, so I have some affection for it. I do check in on it when I can.

      I ran across the Chossudovsky lecture in Europe and was hoping to share it, because I so strongly hope many of you get the idea about the financial and military hegemony the US projects that is extracting our wealth for the interests of a few.

      I stuck my neck out, seeing that this blog was back to the food-fighting that destroys all effectiveness of it’s Raison d’être.

      Since there’s so much in-fighting here, it doesn’t really matter when I get on, there’s always silly accusations.

  140. K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 1:25 pm #

    Damn I merely point out that ‘Carol was government’ and ‘Carol’ also known as ‘Lord Blaby’ also known as ‘Ira’ goes apeshit. Or maybe it was my remembrance of things past. Or maybe it was something altogether different having nothing to do with me.

    Regardless an explosion of wild accusations is in progress. Stay tuned some Avitars may soon be banned. I will not be among them. I am real. There is only one K-Dog.

    • Ira February 2, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

      The one who smells the fart first, is the one who dealt it. You called gov. agents before anyone ever did, therefore according to that golden rule, you’re the gov, agent. What’s interesting is, Kunstler says he’s allergic to conspiracies, and that’s all you ever engage in: one big conspiracy and yet Kunstler has never banned you? And, you’re quarrelsome…and you’re one of many avatars used by one person…and you engage in scurrilous accusations about other posters…all in direct opposition to Kunstler’s illusive and ever-changing rules…but you’ve never been banned. Curious.

      • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

        Your comment is on topic. Meth causes delusions and paranoia. Logical thought flys out the window.

        I’m not saying you are actually using meth. I don’t know one way or another, but you do play the part of one who does well. Now if you really want to play the part of a tweaker spot on go ahead and disassemble your computer. Look at the parts carefully, hold them up to your face and ratate them slowly in your fingers after you pull them off the circuit boards.

        A href=”http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/breaking-bad-america-has-used-walter-white-logic-since-9-11/281029/”>Breaking Bad: America Has Used Walter White Logic Since 9/11

        And let me get this right. Are you saying one of us is a government agent !?

  141. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

    “…in progress. Stay tuned some Avitars may soon be banned. I will not be among them. I am real. There is only one K-Dog.”

    Well, put in a good word for me if you email the boss.

    It jarred me a little bit when I saw, “in progress,” in your post.

    I’m real too – although I may engage in too much verbal brawling for JHK’s taste.

    Just be glad I’m on your discussion thread and not in your living room. You’d probably have broken windows by now, at minimum.

    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

      I don’t have a window. All I have is a single arched doorway without any door to open or close. My paws stick out through the doorway as I type on my doggie laptop. It is a small single rectangle of a house with a peaked roof and no heat. I don’t need heat and sit on my blanket, that’s enough, all I need.

      Relax, you seem to be getting a lot of grief today, not giving it.

  142. ajmuste February 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

    Richard Sherman is my spirit animal. He has the fire, the energy, the passion, to go all the way. Richard Sherman for President, 2016.

    Go Seahawks!

    Sorry to interrupt the avatar quarrel.

    Carry on, gentlemen.

  143. beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

    It is Sunday, after all, so maybe, just for today, it is somewhat ok to engage loony tunes posters. As long as we don’t do it all week.

    I wonder why this blog seems to attract more weirdo troll posters than other sites. I don’t read comments on other blogs, so maybe my question is erroneous. Still, this doesn’t speak well of our culture. Are that many people rude, crude, deceitful, obnoxious and immature?

    I think I might be responsible for this latest bout of trollism because I was the first to out Pork as not being Jewish, or at the least, not who it says it is. The rest followed.

    I hope JHK is active in the comment section tomorrow so he can see what is happening. I feel bad for the guy, even though I know he can take care of himself, because all he wants to do is share his viewpoint with the public and invite open discussion. But no, little minds have to intrude and make a mockery of this site.

  144. Janos Skorenzy February 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    It’s Time to decide if we live or if we die. Practical Existentialism 101.


    Choose and then get busy living or get busy dying. There is no other issue until the Immigration one is decided. Everything else DEPENDS on that – Energy not excluded. So if you’re NOT a one issue voter right now, you’re off with the faeries.

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    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm #

      Figures you’d show up and put the cherry on the cupcake.

  145. beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm #

    @ Being There:

    I read the Chossudovsky article you recommended. I guess it sure illustrates your own viewpoint about the world.

    But I don’t know, BT. To me, it seemed pretty light on verifiable evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The one site I linked to in his article said the address was for sale. I don’t doubt the US is engaging in atrocious behavior throughout the world, and anyone with a reasonably decent mind knows we really engage in conflict to get the oil, but the gist, the feel of the article seemed more about being rabidly anti-American than anything else.

    If the MIC is really plotting US global domination, I don’t think it’s doing a very good job. Can the elites’ lust for power and wealth really be that crazy – putting the human race at risk in the short term? I don’t buy the claim that the elites have their fortified, underground bunkers, so if the world ends they don’t care because they and their minions will rule. Who would want to live in a “the Road” world?

    I can see the MIC blundering into a world war, but I don’t see it happening as a result of a careful plan.

    BT, I know you are busy, and I know how much bandwidth is wasted on stupid sniping here, but there are several – probably more – really concerned and for real commenters on CFN, and we miss your lucid posts. Please reconsider about posting a little more often.

    P.S. I’m sorry I don’t entirely agree with your link today, but it was worthwhile to read.


    • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm #

      If it looks life a duck and walks like a duck do you really need proof its a duck or are you one who needs ‘more evidence’. The article tried to say too much at once, I criticise the style and find the article overwhelming but it all came true.

    • Being There February 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm #


      You don’t have to apologize for not agreeing with Michel C. It’s all good. It’s also all conjecture with a knowledge base and historical context.

      There are prob. war game plans for all this, but who knows whether it will go in all those directions. That said. MC is not alone in his thinking. Gerald Celente says when the economy goes down they’ll take you to war.

      Dylan Ratigan said on his show that instead of pardoning the debt before WWII they went to war and millions died. He said the debt was excused after the war, so why he asked didn’t they do that to begin with?

      Many think the road to war with Iran is through Demascus. Let’s just say that the American people can say no to this and maybe it will count. It seems to have these past few months re: Syria and Iran.

      We shall see. Keep your eyes and ears open. (& maybe your hearts)

  146. K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:16 pm #

    America, your hair is on fire once again!

    Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman Dead at 46″

    Not meth but heroin. One of America’s loathe letters to itself. got delivered.

    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

      Shit! The guy was a great actor. Sorry to see him go at such a young age. Even though we should legalize all drugs, it sucks when they destroy a person.

      • K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

        Cannabis should be legal. It does not kill and there is no clear evidence it does any harm at all. Smoking any kind of plant leaf is never a good thing, but there are other ways to consume it.

        But I don’t agree all drugs should be legal. If the weed were freed all the resources currently wasted on the persecution of it could be turned against truly dangerous drugs. Like heroin and meth.

        “No. 1 on the failure list is our government’s war on marijuana users. This war has not only failed to curb marijuana use and availability, but it has done real harm to our nation while chewing up billions of dollars every year.

        How many billions? Last year, Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron estimated that the federal government spends about $2.4 billion annually on enforcing anti-marijuana laws, which is on top of about $5.3 billion that local and state governments spend annually. Under prohibition, we also forgo the roughly $6.2 billion in tax revenues that Prof. Miron says would be generated if marijuana were regulated and taxed like alcohol and tobacco.

        But that’s only part of the cost of marijuana prohibition. The federal government has spent over $1 billion since 1998 on TV, radio and print anti-drug ads that have focused overwhelmingly on marijuana, often neglecting far more dangerous drugs like methamphetamine. And the government spends millions of additional dollars conducting and publicizing research that’s designed to justify marijuana prohibition — and an unknown amount campaigning against state and local efforts to reform marijuana laws.”Marijuana Policy Project

  147. K-Dog February 2, 2014 at 5:20 pm #

    I posted the link to this article earlier which I quote below. A bit ago it hit me why I like Breaking Bad so much besides having several mannerisms in common with the first season Walter myself.

    Jim said it.

    America’s loathe letter to itself. What a metaphor for a nation’s transition from an ethos of earnest effort to a mood of criminal buffoonery.

    Walter is America. He suffers from a bad childhood and his half baked logic justifies anything he wants to do. Repressed anger drives him into offending the universe a dozen times a day. Walter parodies all of us and that is what is so amusing about him. He perceives himself to be a walking victim. His frustration of being forced to be a nothing causes him to rage against life. Just like us.

    The promised quote:

    “Americans are, like Walter White, a self-justifying sort.

    We see ourselves as exceptional. Often times we behave as if the rules that apply to the rest of the world, rules we want constraining them, don’t and needn’t really apply to us. We’re not a regular nation, not like the Chinese or the Brazilians or even the French. Take it from The New York Times, our paper of record. Other nations forcing water into a prisoner’s lungs is torture. When we do it? Enhanced interrogation.
    For so many of our actions, there is no excuse. And so we should reject the moral code that has enabled us to behave inexcusably. We should abide by older laws and norms whose value are now more apparent. To tweak and repurpose a great line from Skyler White, this country needs someone to protect us from the people who are protecting this country. We need it fast. And we’re the only someones around to do it.

  148. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

    “I wonder why this blog seems to attract more weirdo troll posters than other sites.” – btb –

    Yeah. Probably because it’s almost unmoderated, bill. And because it doesn’t have a mechanism to vote posts up or down. And because it runs for an entire week at the time.

    And because there are people who see JHK’s predictions as so existentially threatening – that some have made a “career?” of spreading dissent on the CFN thread.

    For me – those are the ones who destroy the dialog. And that’s why I sometimes (yeah, OK, often) speak out against them – to point out their illogic and trollish natures, at least.


    BTW, thanks for posting the Atlantic article on Breaking Bad as a metaphor for the US’s decline into criminality, K9.

    It’s quite interesting. Of course, there are many who will say that the US has always been somewhat criminal – in our relations with the world and with ourselves. Eisenhower’s warning about the MIC fits on that continuum, somewhere.

  149. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 6:04 pm #

    Dang it! New page of comments about to start up.

    Janos is correct when he says that immigration is THE issue that trumps all others. He’s wrong, and generally counterproductive, to play up the racial angle – over and over.

    But, you can take any issue – from BT’s posting about the US as Global Hegemon – to the Atlanta Clusterflake and unsustainability of car culture – to the possible destruction of Earth’s ability to support human life – –

    And you can draw a straight line from there to US population growth due to immigration policy.

    Which is why most of the thinking posters on a “peak everything” blog like this one want to see immigration reduced.

    And part of why this place attracts a few who want to disrupt.

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    • Janos Skorenzy February 2, 2014 at 8:30 pm #

      So what Tribe are you going to “choose”? If you can’t be for yourself, who will be? I’m for Whites because I’m White and normal. The question becomes, what’s wrong with you Prog?

      Oh you’re American? But what does that mean. Remember, America’s breaking up – that the whole point. Let’s use the last of America’s strength to better our chances after it falls. If we succeed, then a New America might become possible. Only Whites can do that. Did you read the Elizabeth Wright article?

  150. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 6:12 pm #

    “But I don’t agree all drugs should be legal. If the weed were freed all the resources currently wasted on the persecution of it could be turned against truly dangerous drugs. Like heroin and meth.” – k9 –

    I’m with bill on this one, k9.

    Legalize them all – and spend the (huge) savings on treatment!

    I’ll point out, again, that meth is completely legal with a doctor’s rx.

    All of the money, violence, and mayhem in the meth trade is due to the government-mandated illegality of this (legal!) substance.

    Amazing, when you think about it.

    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:45 pm #

      No matter if it’s legal or not, meth is a bad, nasty drug. Still, the State has no right to tell any adult what they can put into their body.

  151. nsa February 2, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

    Want a pothead cretin working on your brakes or a pothead nurse adjusting your IV drip rate or your plane’s pilot all banked out or your bypass surgeon hitting the bong or…….what the hell…..sure you do.
    Move to WA or CO. Contact Binder & Binder and line up the disability for the “lower back” and get your bud free….it’s medicinal, you know……

  152. nsa February 2, 2014 at 9:37 pm #

    correction: that’s baked, not banked.

  153. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 9:49 pm #

    Ugly game.

    If trends continue, its going to set a record for the largest score spread.


    And did you know Denver’s been in 5 Stupor Bowls, and won only one – against Atlanta, in ’99?

    • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

      Procon, check your records. John Elway won 2 superbowls.

      • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:40 pm #

        I think. Now I’m not so sure.

        • beantownbill. February 2, 2014 at 10:53 pm #

          I checked. The Broncos won in ’98 and ’99. Although they may have lost more superbowls, the Buffalo Bills had it the worst: they set a record by losing FOUR superbowls in a row. Phew!

    • Neon Vincent February 2, 2014 at 11:21 pm #

      At least there wasn’t a blackout like last year. That made for a great metaphor for our predicament.


  154. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 9:58 pm #

    “Want a pothead cretin working on your brakes or a pothead nurse adjusting your IV drip rate or your plane’s pilot all banked out or your bypass surgeon hitting….” – nsa –

    So many irrational and illogical posters – so little time.

    NSA, you’re committing the following errors:

    1. You assume illegality deters use.

    2. You assume all drug users are “pothead cretins.”

    3. You assume the “War on Drugs” will never end.

    In this last assumption, sadly, you are probably correct.


    I hate to agree with Pres. Obama on anything – but his conciliatory noises on Federal non-enforcement of State level marijuana law could have good outcomes.

    Also, with a nod to BT, Obama has kept us out of Syria, to the strong chagrin of the US Israeli lobby and the Saudi’s.

    If Mittens were Pres., we’d be up to our necks in Syria – while his buddy Bibi (sp?) held our coats and cheered.

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  155. ajmuste February 2, 2014 at 10:00 pm #

    nsa, alcohol and pot impair your judgment in different ways.

    Generally alcohol makes you more confident and more willing to take risks, which can lead to bad decisions.

    Generally weed clouds your judgement by making you lazier. Laziness contributes to less risky decision making.

    Smoking pot in moderation basically just makes things more enjoyable.

    So, yes, I would rather have someone smoking pot (as a nurse, mechanic, pilot, surgeon, etc.) rather than an alcoholic.

    The behavioral consequences of alcohol are more severe.

    88,000 deaths from alcohol overdose in 2012
    0 deaths from cannabis overdose in 2012

  156. ajmuste February 2, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

    “I hate to agree with Pres. Obama on anything…” — Prog

    If Obama can move Syria from a hot war to a cold war, and move Iran from a cold war to a warm-up with the rest of the world, I will salute him.

    Both seem possible.

    Add in a wind-down of two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) and perhaps a permanent security agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, and you have the makings of a top tier foreign-policy presidency.

  157. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 10:15 pm #

    “So what Tribe are you going to “choose”? If you can’t be for yourself, who will be? I’m for Whites because I’m White and normal. The question becomes, what’s wrong with you Prog?” – janos –

    Nothing’s wrong with me, Vlad. I’m just playing the cards I’ve been dealt as best I can.

    US Immigration policy is going to destroy open space, the environment, the middle class, native-born African-American workers, and maybe human life on Earth – if present trends continue indefinitely.

    And a lot of people will become advocates of immigration restrictions – given access to these facts and time for logic.

    But – when these same people hear that immigration restrictions are favored by “White Racists,” and “John Tanton,” or something-like-that, then use of facts and logic are abandoned.

    Because they fear being called “racist,” or something emotional.

    It’s not logical, but that’s where most “undecided” voters, and maybe even many political decision makers are, right now.

  158. ajmuste February 2, 2014 at 10:24 pm #

    “It’s not logical, but that’s where most “undecided” voters, and maybe even many political decision makers are, right now.” — Prog

    I think you got that right, Prog. You, and your stop immigration organizations, are in a minority.

    Lined up in favor of immigration reform are business interests, evangelicals, moderate Republicans, most Democrats, liberals and independents who are not Tea Party, many people of color, and most “illegal” immigrants and their families (about 11+ million of them) and ajmuste, too.

    It’s a broad coalition, which is why reform will happen this year.


  159. progress4what February 2, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

    Logic be damned, hey?

    Then it’s a US of 500,000,000, with continued military hegemony, followed by slow planetary death due to ecosystem collapse.

    And you helped, aj-soaker. Future generations will curse you.

    Heck, present generations will curse you.

    Now, remember not to “quarrel,” as you get your inevitable last word on this issue – and all others.

    I’m done for the week.

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  160. ajmuste February 2, 2014 at 10:53 pm #

    “Logic be damned, hey?” — Prog

    Correct again, Prog.

    It is political reality that reform is on its way. Hispanic votes control the fate of the USA. That’s just the way it is.

    I would advocate immediate amnesty, without any conditions, without any “path” or obstacles… just full, immediate citizenship to legalize all who are here without papers so they can vote. It is the right thing to do because we fought a war over “taxation without representation.”

  161. Farmer McGregor February 2, 2014 at 11:54 pm #

    Ha! The Denver Donkeys got their asses handed to them! So humiliating!

  162. nsa February 3, 2014 at 1:12 am #

    The argument for legalizing dope is essentially alcohol is worse. What kind of argument is that? So what is the argument for legalizing those 15 million undocumented democrats? Throwing them out would result in overgrown lawns and rotting lettuce?

  163. ajmuste February 3, 2014 at 3:32 am #

    Upholding the rights of immigrants is important to us all. When the government has the power to deny legal rights and due process to one vulnerable group, everyone’s rights are at risk.

    The fundamental constitutional protections of due process and equal protection embodied in our Constitution and Bill of Rights apply to every “person” and are not limited to citizens.

    We fought a war over the principle of “no taxation without representation.” Immigrants who live here, work here, and pay taxes here have the constitutional right to vote for representatives.

    • nsa February 3, 2014 at 9:04 am #

      Chick think.


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