Jive Talkin

Desertrat January 30, 2012 at 9:12 am #

Welcome to the club, Jim. You’re right in line with what many of us have been saying from mid-2008 into mid-2009. From then on, it’s merely repetition…

mika. January 30, 2012 at 9:12 am #

The shale gas industry is another Ponzi bubble that is about to founder on a scarcity of investment capital. Just watch.
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Jimmy Drinkwater January 30, 2012 at 9:13 am #

Thanks for the Monday fix JHK, gets my mind right to face the absurdity I know I’ll encounter during the coming week.
One point though, when you write:

Meanwhile, we’ll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life

some of us ARE preparing.
http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com

Loveandlight January 30, 2012 at 9:14 am #

If Obama gets us involved in another imperialist war in the Middle East (this time against Iran), I know I won’t be voting for him, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the younger liberal base of the Democratic Party just ran away from him in droves in such an event.
And “First”. Maybe.

kulturcritic* January 30, 2012 at 9:14 am #

James – “America remains the one indispensable nation in world affairs, and as long as I’m president, I intend to keep it that way.” This statement from Obama’s SOTU address only serves to further validate our fears about the continued direction of this hegemony and its corporate goons.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/monsanto-or-the-death-of-a-maiden/

Norman Conquest January 30, 2012 at 9:14 am #

Great writing James! Your anger is very real and extremely justified. I, too, felt the same disgust and rage at Obama’s performance. But, as you noted, the MSM swallowed the whole thing, hook, line, and sinker without even a belch of indigestion. Today’s essay is one of your very best and, I hope, will be much appreciated without the usual nitpicking and complaining. Thanks for really telling it like it is.

judetennessee January 30, 2012 at 9:19 am #

Here it is January in Memphis TN and I am sleeping with windows open! Happily when we deplete all the oil, coal, shale and natural gas we will stop man made warming however by that time its gonna be too late. And I don’t want to vote for “O” either, but neither do I want to allow the “cornpone” Nazis to formally occupy the White House. What’s a girl to do?

newworld January 30, 2012 at 9:23 am #

There is no organizing principle for America save abundance or “more.” Post 1945 but pre-1965 America was becoming a unitary state with a unified culture, but the progressives blew it with the 1965 immigration law.
Theodore White himself wrote that that law was the worst piece of legislation by LBJ. It loosed upon America anarchy, and now we have a Mommy state trying to pacify the unpacifiable. You honestly think Mexican immigrants come to the USA to get “less?”
America is one 3000 mile wide Yugoslavia (hat tip Thomas Chittum author of “CWII”)waiting to happen. Thanks folks, was hating whitey worth it?

piltdownman January 30, 2012 at 9:23 am #

Jim –
While The Paper of Record did give Obama and Holder a pass, it was interesting to note that many of the commenters on their SOTU article did not. I often find more insight in those comments than I do in the actual articles….

CaptSpaulding January 30, 2012 at 9:29 am #

Hey Jude. I’m with you in regards to voting for Obama. But where is the alternative? People voted for Nader and look where that got us. There’s no viable third party here.

Dirty CT January 30, 2012 at 9:31 am #

JHK wrote: “America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care.” LOL Kunsler at his best!

K January 30, 2012 at 9:31 am #

The comment I posted on the White House Facebook website prior to Barack Obama’s Las Vegas “energy” address:
The transition from an economy based upon a platform of petroleum to an as yet undefined combination of alternatives might likely stack up to be the most revolutionary undertaking in our nation’s history. As it is, a significant percentage of the population could precipitate from the formal taxed economy into far less formal untaxed local barter economies. Without strong leadership, possibly manifested in a “Manhattan Project” for energy, I’m afraid the percentage will be far higher. And, as it is and has been throughout our history, the wealth disparity, presently associated with the removal of the economy’s petroleum platform, will foster a Constitutional Crisis of epic proportions. I seriously doubt that the republic will survive if a certain somebody doesn’t step up to the Bully Pulpit and use it like he means it.
http://www.Thesisa.org/

lbendet January 30, 2012 at 9:33 am #

Good post today, JHK
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies….
When Carter told the truth, the lesson learned was that he committed political suicide. For any politician it was a “teachable moment”.
Mr. Obama’s stock and trade is hope, so here we go again…Hey it worked like a charm the last go-round how can you miss?
Well now you’ve got a record, sir.
Nobody believes it anymore.
At this point we know that a few select ultra wealthy use our political system as an auction and that there are $2 trillion being kept out of our economy by these criminals so that they can have lowered taxes and less regulations.
It is clear to all that the income disparity has become untenable and we can no longer boast to the world how great the opportunities are.
This country is closing down, but the words sung by those sweet sirens are meant to obfuscate reality as much as possible. Yes your politicians are nothing more than cheerleaders to make you all feel good.–Just can’t wait to got to the voting booths to help your team win.–Only in reality we’re all losing!
So we are looking at a group of candidates who are the poorest possible choices imaginable at this point.
Neocon Newt is bought by his friend Adelson and wife. Casinos and the Iran war is the expectation.
Willard offshores his assets in the Caymans and Switzerland while saying he has no hand in the low, low 13.9% tax rate, which he wants to reduce to even lower rates.
Bain Capital was one of many firms to hire lobbyists to reduce those rates. After being caught having invested in Freddie and Fanny he said it was in a blind trust, but further investigations show that there were other investments outside of the blind trust.
Do you trust this guy?
Yes, the country is going full tilt. Today Charles Hugh Smith used the metaphor of a dam whose floodgates are not being erected to save the land. Sooner or later this thing is going down and we won’t be able to kick the can down the road anymore. Our system is a lie.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 9:40 am #

Maybe I missed O’s exhortation to conserve, recycle, share, walk, bike, sacrifice… oh, yeah, he’s running for reelection.
I too was wondering where the hell his attack poodles were the last 3 years. Did he just find out about this shit? Busy guy and all. Wait- they were shutting down medical pot clinics that were legal only on the state level. Silly states.
OOOhhh… something shiny over thar in Iran. Nothing is off the table my friends- except civil liberty, social justice and peace in our time.
Election? We will get to choose among a gold plated bucket of shit, a plastic bag of shit, and a rewarmed but folksy pile of shit.
Screw the elections. Let each candidate select a football team and they can duke it out between ads for shitty beer.

wardoc January 30, 2012 at 9:46 am #

Speaking of fantasies about infinite energy, did anyone see the moron congress type from Luuusiana 🙂
this morning on CNBC with the talking heads. It (the fool from luuusiana) was all googled eyed and excited, claiming that the US is the #1 energy resource rich country in the world and Russia is #2. (My gods’ penis is bigger then your god’s penis!!!) He cited examples of “all the oil” in the gulf, the eastern and west coasts, ANWAR, etc etc Ad nauseum. He claimed that the only problem we have is the left; they just won’t let us drill everywhere to get all this energy; he also completely lost any credibility he may have had with any but the nascar set when he said that fracking is totally safe.
We have a national of dumb downed morons from a public school system that is completely failed.
Where is jesus when we need him?????
lock and load.
Wardoc

GAZ January 30, 2012 at 9:47 am #

…….meanwhile, a third carrier group is headed to the Straits of Hormuz. When all else fails, divert the attention of the sheeple with a war. If I was still in the stock market, I would be buying Raytheon big time!

3rd Generation January 30, 2012 at 9:49 am #

Not sure who I ‘trust’ least:
1. The current dictator/regime
2. Stupid, ignorant, fat dumb and lazy drugged-out “American” consumer, -oops, I mean ‘Citizen’.
America. Nation of Nothing and Serial Nobodies.

Reefer Madness January 30, 2012 at 9:51 am #

Newt should really capitalize on the situation- Crazy Times call for a Crazy President

lbendet January 30, 2012 at 9:52 am #

One more thought concerning the media. The fourth estate is dead, except for a few outliers that nobody sees. I for one am glad they’re there, but as for the rest of them. They are corporate entities who gain when you lose.
Don’t expect critical thinking from them–their intersts are vested in your not knowing which end is up. That’s their job.

bubbleheadMarc January 30, 2012 at 9:54 am #

Thanks for writing about this. Where did our national health insurance go when there was a two year democratic majority in which they controlled everything including of course the executive branch? Wouldn’t relieving American companies of providing private health benefits to all full time employees have been a powerful spur to increased hiring? And didn’t we leave Iraq because the Shiite Iraqi government asked us to leave? And moreover, why are we still in Afghanistan patrolling on the ground so that the troops can get blown up by unprecedentedly massive IEDs? And how come hundreds of Wall Street types aren’t already in federal prison being bad men’s improvised girlfriends? And why haven’t we yet carpet bombed the pirate lairs of Somalia? Can’t he find something fun for the navy to do other than the occasional rescue or termination with extreme prejudice of various Taliban or Al Quaida targets.
It doesn’t occur to people that if the petroleum industry has to go to the lengths it must to obtain more oil and if this expenditure for arctic and offshore drilling is in fact justified then that must indicate that the supply is dwindling. But if you can’t see global warming then you’re not going to get that one either, but unfortunately such simpletons are still permitted to vote. I think we need to start voting for alternate candidates to try to start some sort of snowball effect with a payoff at some point in the future. Although I’ve voted Libertarian in the past I might try Green. Just because Ralph Nader got Dubya elected doesn’t totally invalidate that party indefinitely.

steve January 30, 2012 at 9:56 am #

Well, legitimate leadership comes from the constitution and the peoples’ adherence to it. So I guess you could say that our leadership is legitimate, if you believe that it was duly elected by an informed citizenry. Now whether it’s working for the good of the whole or only selected interests is another question. It may not be a conspiracy, but there is a power structure that is in control and its name is not democrat or republican. We, as a people, are ok with it as long as it delivers its promised “bread and circuses” without too much trouble or expense. The MSM is complicit in it as much as their “bread” comes from cooperating from, and, being part of it.
I continue to be amazed that Ron Paul is still not considered a viable alternative. I think the MSM has done a very good job in marginalizing him and his ideas. C’est triste!

mika. January 30, 2012 at 9:59 am #

If I was still in the stock market, I would be buying Raytheon big time!
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Yey! More money for war, genocide, and stealing other peoples natural resources. You sanctimonious blood vultures are so disgusting, it’s beyond belief.

Dirk January 30, 2012 at 10:01 am #

I work right next door to a Chesapeake Energy office in New York State that specializes in fracking, or as I call them, ‘Mother frackers’. The Chesapeake parking lot is full of full size V8 pick ups and not one of them has been converted to run on all this cheap natural gas that is supposed to be under our feet. Well…..10,000 feet down that is. So what is up with that? Yep….it is all based on a fossil fuel platform. It has been strangely quiet in the Southern Tier of New York since Chesapeake has announced cutting back on drilling due to ‘low prices’ of gas. Hmmm….last year at this time the local and State Governments were a-flutter with the promise of the drilling. The lure of easy money has a very strong appeal when the State, like the Federal Government, is insolvent.

ffkling January 30, 2012 at 10:05 am #

Carter was the last president to tell the American public the truth and he was defeated by a guy whose first official act as president was to tear down the solar panels on top of the White House roof. The Reagan administration proclaimed conservation to be a moral virtue with no place in government. Carter not only talked the talk, but successfully reduced America’s dependence on foreign oil by 1/3. God was Carter taken to the wood shed for speaking the truth and the lesson was ingrained in the political establishment from then on.

Neon Vincent January 30, 2012 at 10:06 am #

I had much more positive things to say about the State of the Union address than you did, but I have to admit they all fall under the heading of “Happy Motoring–for now!” The long run is something else altogether, and even Newt Gingrich’s lunar colony, I an idea I like in the abstract but not in the concrete, won’t be what will save us from our predicament.
http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

mila59 January 30, 2012 at 10:10 am #

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.

Dirk January 30, 2012 at 10:10 am #

Ask the poor folks in Tioga and Bradford Counties in PA that can light a match to thier drinking water at the kitchen faucet since the Mother frackers came to town how safe fracking is.
Not so much!

Poet January 30, 2012 at 10:14 am #

JHK sez:
” Notice how lame the major newspapers and cable news networks were in responding to Mr. Obama’s impudent japery. None of them, including The New York Times, bothered to ask Attorney General Eric Holder what he’s been up to along these lines for the past three years. It is really hard to account for the stupendous incompetence of the news media in recent years.”
JFK once observed:
“No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support an Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.
I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers — I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: “An error doesn’t not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.” We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.
Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment — the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution — not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply “give the public what it wants” — but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate, and sometimes even anger public opinion.”
04-27-61, Address to the American Society of Newspaper Publishers, Waldorf Astpria Hotel, NY, NY
As George Santyana once observed, “Those who will not learn from their history are condemned to relive it”

Neon Vincent January 30, 2012 at 10:16 am #

“Crazy Times call for a Crazy President”
Based on your handle, you gave the wrong response to your own call. Ron Paul fits both much better.
Not that I’m voting for Paul, but he would be the best person to satisfy Freewheeling Ferdinand from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers: “Dope makes it easier to get through times of no money than money makes it to get through times of no dope.” Of course, voting for Paul because of his anti-imperialism and pro-legalization would be like voting for Newt Gingrich because of his advocacy on behalf of a Moon base, while ignoring everything else.

Dirk January 30, 2012 at 10:17 am #

“Election? We will get to choose among a gold plated bucket of shit, a plastic bag of shit, and a rewarmed but folksy pile of shit. ”
Shecky, I am keeping that one! Awesome, sad, and pointedly true. Well said!

ozone January 30, 2012 at 10:18 am #

Senor James,
Great piece t’day; it’s an uncomfortable reality you’re addressing, but sombody’s gotta do it (glad it happens to be you, it’s at least entertaining that’a’way)!
This part got me stirred up:
“…The shale gas industry is another Ponzi bubble that is about to founder on a scarcity of investment capital. Just watch.
The “energy independence” trope is a lie, too. At least in the sense that Mr. Obama means – that we can run the suburban clusterfuck and all its accessories by other means than fossil fuels. He just says it because it makes voters feel better. By the time they find out it was just a story, he won’t need their votes anymore. Meanwhile, we’ll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life, and so, necessarily, the result will be an obscene scramble for power and resources that will leave a lot of people dead.” -JHK
I absolutely concur. “The folks” are comfortable (fat ‘n’ happy) and do not want to be apprised that their ease is unsustainable. So, just as you say, they won’t be. (There are a few carcasses yet to be picked clean.)
The “scramble” will be extremely ugly, and I would urge people to prepare for that eventuality. If it doesn’t go down that way, we’ll just consider that we got lucky and call it good. The unprepared doin’ the “scramble”? Not so good [for them OR the prepared].

GAZ January 30, 2012 at 10:19 am #

…uh, yes I was, but sarcastic humor does not go over well around here. Mika needs to look up the meaning of “sanctimonious”. Using big words improperly smells like recent public schooling.

mika. January 30, 2012 at 10:23 am #

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.
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Yeah, sure. And that sarcasm is reflected in the popularity of $AAPL or $RTN or $MON stock, etc.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 10:25 am #

Don’t expect critical thinking from [the corporate media]–their interests are vested in your not knowing which end is up. That’s their job. -LB
Correct. And, as JHK explicitly pointed out, ‘mercans don’t want the truth, can’t handle the truth, and desperately want to be bullshitted because it makes ’em FEEL better! (Besides, thinking is HARD.)

bobby j January 30, 2012 at 10:26 am #

Seems that we should have psychiatrists helping to analyze our state of the union. But then again they would probably just prescribe some prozac or other feel good concoctions.Maybe we still have enough resources and with the proper application of our science and technology ,we could do it right.From this viewpoint our crisis is one of consciousness a consciousness of low quality and high entropy. Our political economic religious institutions have evolved in the antagonism of the opposites and nuture beliefs and ideologies that are leading us further down the road of greater imbalance to eventual non-existence.We need something new ,when we realize that balance is the way of reality then something new will evolve , something sustainable and in alignment with reality. In the meantime remain cynical and afraid.

Solar Guy January 30, 2012 at 10:28 am #

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 10:29 am #

Really good posting, K.
Just don’t expect any “steppin’ up” from those who happen to be the paid toadies of Wall Street and MegaCorpInc. That just leads to frustration and bitter disappointment.

orbit7er January 30, 2012 at 10:32 am #

Rocky Anderson is running as a Third party thoughtful alternative to Obama…
https://www.voterocky.org/node/253
Rocky Anderson is accepting no contributions above
$100, he was very popular in conservative Utah and
an fierce opponent of the Wars and advocate of Salt Lake City’s Light Rail system…

Onthego January 30, 2012 at 10:33 am #

There will be an election in Nov. 2012, if for no other reason than candidate spending will keep the economy energized for a few more months. Mr. O-BOMB-a (if you pay attention to his warmongering) is banking (quite literally in the Banksters’ pockets) that appearing to be the only sane man in the asylum will make him palatable. Sorry, but that Brand Obama Kool-Aid isn’t going to be on the menu for many of us this time. I’m spending my write-in vote on Elizabeth Warren for POTUS.

lsjogren January 30, 2012 at 10:41 am #

Another case of cognitive dissonance is the progressives who find Kunstler’s predictions credible and yet cling to political policies that are utterly absurd if Kunstler’s view of the future proves to be accurate.
I mean you can’t have it both ways. There will be no large centralized government in our future if Kunstler’s predictions prove correct.
You want to pile on new roles for the federal government such as universal health care? There won’t be any frigging government.
You are just as delusional as those who are oblivious to Peak Oil.

lbendet January 30, 2012 at 10:41 am #

Ozone
Not all of us like to be lied to. We shouldn’t all be lumped together–that’s how they justify their fraudulent system.
Oh, don’t you know that’s what the people want?

loveday January 30, 2012 at 10:43 am #

Jim and all the gang
Great article Jim, I see you must have had a bad weekend, because you are just dripping venom this morning. Yup nice and cranky just like I like you to write. Well is anyone surprised at O bummer’s performance, really seriously? The guy has been revealed little by little like a hoochi dancer taking off one miniscule piece of lingerie after another. We now have a pretty good idea that the goods he advertised just aren’t there. It’s like the huge disappointment at the local Kitty Cat club when Miz Kitty turns out to be Old Cranky Tabby who likes her chocolate and cake. You know who she is, she is your old English teacher forced to find a new “career” because Gov Christie stole her retirement funds, so give her a tip anyway.
As for Eric of the Dept of Injustice, well he has been too busy running Fast and Furious guns to deal with mere financial chicanery. So get real folks cause they are doing exactly what they were hired to do, finish any semblence of Constitutional America.
Strait of Hormuz calamity dead ahead. Those solar flares are really messing with the old neuro electrical system of homo sapiens. What else can explain the barking madness on display like a freak show gone bad.
loveday

Weiv January 30, 2012 at 10:44 am #

I voted for Obama and will not be voting for him in 2012 and I will not vote for the prospective Republican candidates. A fool sitting a Lyndon LaRouche for President table outside my local post office asked me if I was ready to vote Obama out of office to which I replied I would not be voting for the position President of the United States in 2012. His response was surprise and perhaps bewilderment. Why vote for a President in 2012? The choices are None of the Above and the bottom line is if you don’t vote for the position you won’t been berating yourself for the incompetent you helped elect or reject.

Max January 30, 2012 at 10:46 am #

Also lacking in the President’s SOTU message – which should have been delivered via e-mail with a PDF – was any mention of campaign finance reform or any remedies to the Supreme Court’s heinous “corporations are people” Citizens United decision, which has resulted in a free-flow of cash by the special interests to the whore-mongers in Congress who claim to represent the “public interest.” I can only conclude he like the rest, are content with the status.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 10:54 am #

Truly, but those of us who’d rather deal with the outcomes of uncomfortable predicaments than have them papered over are in a distinct minority. That’s my observation from peeking around me. …A lot of cognitive dissonance sizzling through a passel of social interactions as well!
“There’s something happening here, but you don’t know what it is; do you, Mr. Jones?” -R. Zimmerman

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 10:56 am #

I agree, the Obama administration has been disappointing. But the “Corn Pone Nazis” are out there huffing and puffing. I’m voting for many things, including:
The ability to insure my kid until he’s 26.
The requirement that all employers fund contraception(we must fight for this to remain in the healthcare law.)
A party that will not spend the whole time trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.
A party that doesn’t devote every waking moment to trying to tell people who they can marry and what they can do in the bedroom.
A party that will at address the student loan debacle.
The party that extended unemployment benefits.
A party that doesn’t base its whole creed on getting even with some imagined welfare mother.
It is unfortunate that our system is so corrupt, but if you are going to vote, you have to vote for the group that isn’t absolutely intent on making things worse.
And then I intend to keep supporting Occupy, because the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us–through peaceful protests.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 10:58 am #

Yeah, peaceful protests. That’s some scary shit.

lsjogren January 30, 2012 at 10:59 am #

Max:
The flood of money in campaigns going on right now I do find disturbing.
However, the first major effect of the campaign finance system we have now is that Romney was able to derail Newt Gingrich in Iowa through the use of a blizzard of big-money negative campaign ads, and it appears that will happen once again in Florida and that will probably derail Gingrich for good.
It would be a hard case to make to claim that Romney has any more of a clue than Obama. However, I think even progressives would agree that a President Gingrich would be worse than either of those two.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 11:00 am #

…And the POTUS’ continuing bullshittery is not helping any kind of understanding of our various predicaments!! This is not just “benign calming”, it’s dangerous. The train is heading full speed for the end of the line, the fireman keeps shoveling on the coal, and no one is at the throttle.
Place yer bets!

lsjogren January 30, 2012 at 11:01 am #

So anyway, Citizens United may very well have very negative effects in the long run. But the first effect has been to derail Newt Gingrich, whom I consider an ignorant buffoon.

tpverde January 30, 2012 at 11:03 am #

hard not to notice that other commentators are citing the recent comments by Nicole Foss who has recently stressed that things are going to be devolving from “Core” powers into more local and regional arrangements , much as outlined in the Long Emergency.
Ever more grateful to have pulled up stakes and settled in an agricultural region ‘far from the maddening crowd,” here on the edge of the jungle.
Tom at puebloverde.org
Keep up the good work Jim, maybe someone will start listening, and best of luck to all your devotees in making their own arrangements for the interesting times ahead.

jeff z January 30, 2012 at 11:10 am #

I like the 900 pound man analogy. I can smell the diesel fuel from the approaching backhoe already.
If any readers care to wean themselves off the fossil fuel teat, or at least give it a start, see my instructions for building a solar oven from junk you probably have in your basement.
See it at http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com

mow January 30, 2012 at 11:11 am #

First , I believe that this nation should commit itself …
LOL

ozone January 30, 2012 at 11:13 am #

Well, good luck with that. Sincerely. That takes guts and dedication.
Howsomever:
I’ll be observing closely to see just how that works out for you. (…Whilst making other arrangements.)

ozone January 30, 2012 at 11:14 am #

(thnx, tpverde)

noel bodie January 30, 2012 at 11:17 am #

Oh boy all of CFN is in high form today, especially liked the reference to ” shitty beer”. JHK is my dj of choice! The last time Ralph Nader claimed there was no difference in the parties ended with W, Iraq, Katrina, 9/11 and a full horror house of neo-con bullshit, I will hold my nose and vote for the ” O” man.

bearfoot January 30, 2012 at 11:19 am #

O.T.G. might as well waste your vote, it does’nt mean anything anyway!

mila59 January 30, 2012 at 11:23 am #

…and a party whose lawmakers have not sworn to oppose out of hand every single piece of legislation proposed or put forth by the sitting president.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 11:33 am #

Judging from the arrests that have been happening,including pepper spraying peaceful protesters–yes, they are scary shit. My point exactly. What it takes is numbers.

Steve M. January 30, 2012 at 11:35 am #

The election is supposed to be about what kind of country we want to live in. I know what kind of country I want to live in, but this ain’t it. Everything I want to see happen here – restoring intercity rail, public medical insurance, et al. – hasn’t happened in America and it never will.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 11:35 am #

Which is where occupy comes in. The more support the better.

Rhino January 30, 2012 at 11:44 am #

…because the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us–through peaceful protests. – DC
DC, I’m all for peaceful protest and it could work if the overlord bastards, as you call them, were reasonable people. Which they’re not. If they were reasonable we wouldn’t be in the multiple interlocking messes we’re in now.
If the overlord bastards were reasonable people they might have exerted themselves mightily to provide enlightened leadership (which they haven’t). They would have counselled moderation to the sharpies on Wall Street and bullshitters in the C Suites and then used the levers of political power and enforcement to compel (none of which happened). They would use common sense with such dangerous places as Pakistan (none as yet in evidence).
The overlord bastards are not going to listen to sweet reason. They mock the OWS protestors and dismiss the rest of us.
Hate to say it Dream but peaceful protest won’t cut it. Dispruptive protest maybe but I think that the pressure will get to the point where you get violent unrest. Unless the overlord bastards are directly threatened either financially or physically they won’t fear anybody.

SNAFU January 30, 2012 at 11:52 am #

James Kunstler, Did you notice the rapid blink rate and the look on the face of Eric Holder when he arose to acknowledge O’s commitment to investigating the activities on Wall Street that resulted in 2007-08 economic crunch?
As I recall from psychology 101 rapid blinking of the eyes is indicative of one who is experiencing unpleasant feelings such as stress, anxiety, and pain; in other words, extremely nervous.
SNAFU

The Mook January 30, 2012 at 11:57 am #

As my nephew would say, “here we go, picking on the fat kid again”. I see just as many fat people eating in fine restaurants as you seem to envision sitting in trailers. I see more wife-beaters, druggies, and assorted other non-fat humans occupying these nests. The tattoo level however, does seem to be a “bit” out of whack.

SNAFU January 30, 2012 at 11:57 am #

Howdy Mila, Got to agree with you and Dream. I would much rather take my chances with the party that is somewhat willing to toss we peons a crumb or two rather than the party that wants the cake and all the crumbs for themselves.
SNAFU

Metzengerstein January 30, 2012 at 11:59 am #

America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care.
Hilaritragic and apt image, Jim, but I suspect there is actually neither a front-end loader that is going to show up to rescue the man nor any intensive care unit that could do him any good.
As for the press — I know you don’t believe in conspiracies, but the fact is that the broadcast networks, most of their affiliates, the cable systems, most of the channels they carry and the few remaining daily newspapers are owned by 5 or 6 big corporations. The commentators and “journalists” working for them know which side of the bread the butter is on and don’t have to have explicit instructions about what to say (although some of them do get them). So while it may not be a conspiracy in the sense of a bunch of guys sitting around a big table in a smoke-filled room, it works just as well as one. Maybe better.

ront January 30, 2012 at 11:59 am #

“And I don’t want to vote for “O” either, but neither do I want to allow the “cornpone” Nazis to formally occupy the White House. What’s a girl to do?”
I intend to make my vote and any ability I have to promote be a statement, a stand on truth, not on JIVE. Obama has proven to be Not-see lite. There are at least two truly progressive candidates ready and willing to receive our votes and support, Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson.
The political game is rigged by those who run it. These folks are ruthless, ignorant, and arrogant, and will get what they in the cleverest of ways. Let us leave them to wake up to their heartlessness and start a new game by doing whatever it is we can do to contribute toward a better world for all. Winning elections is not the end of anything. Giving without thought of return, serving without thought of reward will win hearts, one at a time. This will fulfill our inherent duty toward one another. It is what matters after all.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

You kinda got a point. But, the pepper sprayed protesters I saw were not all that peaceful. They encircled the cops and prevented their egress, which scared the cops, who reacted with the gas.
Thus, not so peaceful protests evoke a not so peaceful response, giving us an image which may be manipulated to advantage in the struggle. The escalation of this cycle may yet engender a revolution, but it will not be peaceful. Our anger, and their fear, are justified.
The thieves of us will not yield gently the spoils of their perfidy. Their minions, our brothers and sisters, will pay the price by proxy before the tumbrils roll.

jgalt6 January 30, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

You express the thought that none of us may be voting in 2012, which can happen as declarations of martial law throughout the land are used to stop the elections. The governor (D) of N.C. “suggested” last year that the national elections of 2012 be suspended so that the legislators could do the necessary work for our nation without the stress of running for office. Had to be a stalking horse straight out of the WH, as she could hardly come up with that ridiculous suggestion on her own. Order the unions and Occupy into the streets, bolstered by the genuine disaffected, and Hussein has his martial law and reason for a tempory suspension of national elections, which the Demoncrats would support overwhelmingly, not to mention the compliant MSM. Then, we can all proceed to finishing the job of creating a dictatorship to rule over our once-great country and finish the destruction so desired by the left. Going to need a lot of holding cells for a lot of citizens.

mm January 30, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

seems funny to me that dubya stealing florida (remember the supreme court stopped the recount, and so on)so often still gets balamed on Nader. I’m pretty sure that’s an idea that serves the DNC more than the electorate.

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

Just accept the fact that America has no legitimate leadership.
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I’m not sure what this means. Leadership? Or government? Or both?
So many are talking about voting or not voting on CFN. Who you vote for, or whether you stay home and don’t vote, does not matter as long as you pay taxes to continue to fund it.
If you really believe the leadership/government is illegitimate, will you continue to fund it on April 15?
I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes.
A simple low-income lifestyle is zero-risk legally, and has the added advantage of lowering your carbon footprint.

Rhino January 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

It is unfortunate that our system is so corrupt, but if you are going to vote, you have to vote for the group that isn’t absolutely intent on making things worse. – DC
“…isn’t absoluely intent on maling things worse…” Hmmm. So that how far things have decayed?
And which group would that be? Sometimes the road to hell…
John Reed (ex CEO of Citi) was on a show with Bill Moyers and they were talking about the goings on in the Clinton administration during which the banking industry was allowed to have its way. A really good show. It was enlightening. The point is that a Democratic aadministration was in Wall Street’s pockets and their actions helped set the stage for the calamities in the decade following.
Even if Al Bore won the 2000 election (and he should have won bigtime as the bubble economy was still percolating and bubbling but he fucking messed it up) what would have happened? 9/11 would still have happened and Al baby would have come under enormous pressure to kick ass, someone’s ass, anybody’s ass as long as they had beards.
Not to say that the invasion of Iraq would have happened. Maybe, maybe not. IMO the Dems haven’t exactly cornered the market in wisdom and common sense.
Who’s to say Al wouldn’t have made as big a mess than Dubya? Maybe the pressure from various factions and parties to depose Maddas Hussein would have still been unbearable and, who knows, Al might still have given the green light. Who can say what his administration would have done or not done.
Do you have faith in Obama? Is he the least worst alternative? Is Mitt worse? Maybe. I dunno….

Rhino January 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

my 12:11 post was in reply to Dreamcycle.

mila59 January 30, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

Yes, it does seem to be a choice of the proverbial lesser of two evils, isn’t it? And Dream Cycle, I agree with you about Occupy. I think we need to give peaceful protest a chance before throwing in the towel. If it were wide-enough spread, peaceful protest would move mountains. For instance, taking money out of banks, and dis-investing yourself (divesting?) from the “marketplace.” These things would be noticed. There are lots of things that the Occupy movement began and continues. Let’s see what transpires in the Spring before we give up on anything.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

On Saturday, I testified at a People’s Tribunal on Monsanto. I posted my testimony here –
http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/
because if I’m going to go to the trouble of writing a speech, I’m putting it on my blog.
There will be 2 more Tribunals, and then, supposedly, a DVD released. They were taping it.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

I’m generally with you, but the only problem with disruptive action is that it just gives them an excuse to use their ever ready violent tactics. Not that they need an excuse, considering they will pepper spray people who are actually sitting peacefully (Oakland.) However, Occupy is just a beginning, and they can also use their growing numbers to influence Wall street in various ways.
Again, it’s numbers. I have worked in municipal government for years, and while that is usually not the corporate govt that we are speaking about, I have always been amazed at how quickly mayors and aldermen actually do react to VERY small numbers of complaints. Often the “complainers” are met with and listened to, and often they get at least some of whatever they want.
Obviously, it’s not going to be that easy on a large scale. But we have to take a stand,lots of us, since corporations can now own politicians. Beyond that, what do you suggest, besides disruptive (violent?) action?
Meanwhile, we have made many gains, both small and large, that the right would love to stomp, and I’d rather not just step aside and let them stomp away.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

I had to go to work and missed the second half of the Tribunal, but we had two seed cleaners testify.
I don’t know if you realize it, but Monsanto hassles seed cleaners (who help farmers save their seeds for replanting) and the farmers who use them.
They literally send goons in window-tinted SUVs to drive onto farmer’s land and threaten them. Monsanto hired Blackwater for their services.
The seed savers say that the farmers blamed them, but of course they didn’t turn in their customers! How stupid can you get? But farmers are turning against farmers, including people who have been neighbors for generations.
They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars, and that’s how they found which farmers to harass.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

Sad but true…

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

To all who posted about fracking and natural gas, don’t you worry.
Obama is looking out for you!
He announced that he will advocate that companies must reveal the toxic chemicals they use.
That means that when your child is dying of leukemia, in between trips to the city for chemotherapy, you can research what chemicals may have given your child cancer.
And then you can find a lawyer willing to sue the corporations with their suites full of corporate lawyers.
Unless, of course, tort reform laws have limited your ability to sue. Certainly, you can no longer get together with other bereaved parents and file a class action lawsuit.
Such a populist President!

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

I agree MILA,
Otherwise I couldn’t get up in the morning….

djcrow22 January 30, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

I think I’ll just eat my gun when the time comes…

shecky January 30, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

They count on our love of the little things to keep us in line on the big things. We love cheap gas so we accept the war in Iraq and BP’s evil shenanigans, fracking, &ca. Straits of Hormuz? Jesus gave us that in the by god holy bible.
We love cheap food so we turn away from water pollution, animal cruelty, and genetic engineering. Et fucking cetera.
You get bread, a circus, and the king gets to fuck your daughter on her wedding night.
What gains have we made? Equality of worth, regardless of race, gender or economic status, is our right, as specified in the Constitution, the only document holy to me. Any “gain” on this front is only a grudging acknowledgment of what was ours to begin with. What do I have to give back to keep my right to dissent, to assemble, to speak in public? For my vote to count as much as some murdering millionaire’s?
Non negotiable.

Islander800 January 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

The best part of today’s post was the observation that all of our computer-distributed information doesn’t equal more information and knowledge tending towards judgement. A non-stop tsunami of gossip and opinion, which is what our media has been reduced to in the past couple of decades, most definitely does not inpart any useable knowledge.
Add to this the fact that newspaper readership is plummeting and younger generations seem only interested in tweeting the latest piece of personal irrelevance, and the way is wide open for some charismatic manipulator, or worse, to dupe the ignorant masses into power. Then the real fun will begin.

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us–through peaceful protests.

You can protest without even leaving your house by not paying federal income taxes.
The number of Zero-Tax Filers, as a percentage of Tax-Filers, has been steadily increasing:
1980 … 21.3%
1985 … 18.5%
1990 … 21.0%
1995 … 24.5%
2000 … 25.2%
2004 … 32.6%
2008 … 36% (most recent IRS data)
SOURCE: Record Numbers of People Paying No Income Tax; Over 50 Million “Nonpayers” Include Families Making over $50,000
You don’t like perpetual war with Middle Eastern countries? You don’t think the government is legitimate?
Then don’t pay for it.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

Hi, lbendet. I must take issue with your statement that Carter was ill-received by the American people. That’s the lie we’re told, but actually, the polls showed that Americans approved of the wear-a-sweater speech.
It was the 1% that didn’t like Carter. So they put Reagan in, and now we’re told that we all loved him.
I picked up a book from 1989 at the used book store, and thought of you. It’s pretty amazing to read a time capsule from that era. It’s called “The Money Culture” by Michael Lewis, kind of a less-entertaining Matt Tahibbi of the 80s. I wonder what happened to him. Anyway, it’s a collection of his columns about the Wall Street crimes of the 80s.
From one column (July, 1989) “Last month Salomon Brothers found itself censured by the Securities and Exchange Commission for making illegal short sales during the crash of October 1987. What was interesting about the case wasn’t that Salomon in the heat of the moment broke the law, but that management after sober reflection tried to hide the evidence. That small act of defiance was truly haunting”
Wow! Like I said last week about something else, how far have we fallen?
Now, Wall Street is openly defiant and openly commits illegal acts. And the SEC doesn’t even pretend to investigate.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

And listen to this-
“Second, House leaders Jim Wright and Tony coelho have lost their jobs partly because their hands were found deep in the pockets of money men. In a newly chastened Washington, money is less likely to have its way.”
Wow!

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

Low Income/Simple Living as War Tax Resistance
http://nwtrcc.org/practical5.php

By taking a stand that requires personal change and perhaps personal sacrifice, you demonstrate the depth of your commitment to a more just world. Anyone can complain about the government and ask it to change, but it means much more to change your own life and put your money where your mouth is. Some resisters find that resisting the whole package of consumerism, overconsumption and taxation appeals to them more than other tax resistance strategies. Some discover that by living simply they live more satisfying and meaningful lives, and would choose to live this way even if it didn’t help them to resist taxes. Some prefer this method of tax resistance because it can be accomplished within the law, demonstrating their desire to be law-abiding citizens without at the same time having to violate their consciences.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

And finally, in a part about Wall Street trying to give a report to Congress about the wonderful benefits of leverage buy-outs (back when America had productive companies that could be bought, stripped, ripped apart and sold for profit)-
“For a survey, however, it was remarkably one-sided in favor of LBOs. It omitted most of the literature, including a seminal paper by Benjamin Bernanke, a Princeton economics professor who makes a strong case that the leveraging of corporate America could end in tears. The SIA paper was a survey of little except the half-truths and veiled threats Congress is likely to hear from investment bankers if it tries to interrupt Wall Street’s newest money game.”
Wow!!

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

Where was Eric Holder for the last 3 years, when he should have been prosecuting Wall Street bankers with the existing laws, with existing personnel?
Well, the FBI has turned from investigating white collar crime to entrapping “terrorists”, taking disgruntled young men, firing them up, providing them with materials, and then “breaking up terrorist cells”.
Meanwhile, Eric Holder is busily attacking legal marijuana operations in California and Colorado.
What do you expect from a man who was in a law firm that represented the MERS corporation, which made the explosion of gambling on mortgages possible?

shecky January 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

I don’t know what “americans” thought of Carter. I voted for him, twice. In my opinion the last decent man we had in the office. I met his daughter many times at a book store in ATL, nice young lady.
I really could not believe the election results of 1980. What the hell happened? Somehow it became wrong to conserve energy, wear a god damn sweater when it is cold, and think about tomorrow?
He was received poorly by the american people of my acquaintance. The douchebags blamed him for OPEC, the blowback from the CIA overthrow of Mossadegh in 1956, and the military defeat in Viet Nam.
I lost any real hope for America in 1979. Only Newton’s First Law keeps me going. The Outside Force is too weak to overcome my inertia.
God damn Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Mack184 January 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

Ahhh..Sir James: “Twas just a few thin years ago that you were telling us that Lord Obama was nothing short of the second coming. How times do change indeed.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

Unfortunately, though, the right doesn’t agree with us about ours rights…

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

Jill Stein is also running as an alternative to the corporate control of the US.
http://www.jillstein.org/

sevenmmm January 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

I laughed at that speech. But what else would one expect? O’mama b-a-a-a rama is desiring the votes of/is President of, the loony middle class.

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

Well said, shecky.
While I do not share Carter’s Christian beliefs, at least he wasn’t putting on an act to get votes. Out of office he continued to pick up a framing hammer and build houses for Habitat for Humanity, getting his hands dirty and rubbing shoulders with poor folks.
Carter didn’t need to do that as an ex-president. Right decent human being. Just wasn’t macho enough for the war mongers motivated by fear and/or greed.

DreamCycle January 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

I agree about Carter. Also, 1979 was when it seemed like political awareness and environmental conservation got replaced, not only with hyper-consumption, but with I’m OK/You’re OK psycho-babble. It was like a whiplash change…

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

The latest post has her position on fossil fuels and on fracking.
http://www.jillstein.org/

Bustin J January 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

Nudeworld said “the progressives blew it with the 1965 immigration law.”
Well, put in context, the imported labor thing was standard practice, going back 100s of years.
Pinning the tail on that donkey at 1965 is a little dubious. Were the stakes that high back then?
Mexicans were immigrated for the industrial agriculture sector, by and large. It was a succession of mistakes plotted either direction from 1965, plus or minus. Of course, the closer you get to the present day, the greater the magnitude of the problem.
So either way, there was more corporate consolidation, more immigrants, more intensive retrograde agricultural practices every decade following. In 1965, the mexican field worker was a picturesque part of the scenery. As they were dusted with pesticides from airplanes.
The metaphor of the can being kicked down the road is only correct if the can doubles in size every few revolutions. Every time it needs a new kick it requires more effort because it is bigger and bigger.
Eventually pain ensues. “The failure to understand the exponential function” – A. Bartlett
“‘. The Chesapeake parking lot is full of full size V8 pick ups and not one of them has been converted to run on all this cheap natural gas that is supposed to be under our feet.”
A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon.
Every gas engine built by the majors is like a yawning stomach, an iron metabolism waiting to convert ancient sunlight to carbon dioxide. And they will. When people invest in technology they will use it- otherwise it is a loss, and people psychologically count losses as severe. No, it is only by habitual use and exploitation of the power and visceral thrills of acceleration and speed, does a human being find closure with his decision to purchase or own one of these things. As the psychological morphology of technological use resembles prosthetic enhancement, no one notices the organic decay of the body. They are too entertained by the car’s human pleasure inducing systems, which are like precision munitions separating self from body. The act of controlling the power of a vehicle, moving at speed, the thrill of acceleration and the pleasure of heated leather seats are all dopamine-mediated reactions every bit as addictive as heroin or cocaine. There is no more carefully designed system to stimulate human beings. Driving is a peak experience for most people. From the outside looking in, a traffic jam is a drudgery, a picture of organic stasis, a body at rest. It is like gazing upon the patrons in an opium den. The car is cocoon. Later, the Automobile’s grim reaper will ferry the living to their place of rest, planted in the ground. The stretch hearse always has a V-8 with a sensibly muffled exhaust system. We are powerfully stimulated to remember vestigial memories of the womb when we are in cars sealed away from the elements. We relapse into a somnolent state. The audio system of a car recreates the vascular regularity of a heartbeat.
Ain’t nobody gonna be driving natural gas except private and municipal fleets which can invest in massive storage and delivery systems, and sign for large fueling contracts.
Now, you can make a synthetic fuel using methane as a feedstock, but the process itself uses energy.
In WWII there was gas rationing. You turned your engine off at the top of a hill and then used its momentum to restart it near the bottom. The old Fords got 25-30 miles per gallon, illustrating that the returns on technology stagnated a long, long time ago.
Obama is credited with saving jobs by saving the Automotive sector and its “ecology of jobs”: all the parts suppliers. That ecology is what had been undermining America for 100 years. That ecology is why the reciprocating piston engine, or cars that average a ton of gross weight are the norm, because anything else would be too radical. As a car loses weight, a human can detect the loss of mass. Psychologically he feels the loss of mass as the loss of physical stature. If a car were made with a smaller engine (better matched to typical loads) the human feels the psychological loss of excess capacity, and feels vulnerable, like we wandered out of the cave with the short club. If the car were made with three wheels, he’s feel inferior to the car with 4 wheels, if the car didn’t have leather seats, he wouldn’t feel like a smooth-skinned supermodel was spooning him, if the car didn’t have 8 speakers, he doesn’t experience the multi-frequency stimulation allowing the effortless loss of consciousness to hypnotic professional audio.
If it doesn’t have a pearlescent paint job, a person psychologically suffers as someone with a publicly-visible skin disorder. And when the car is broken, incapacitated, he feels like a limb has been broken- disabled- because the car is prosthetic. And when he pays out of pocket for repairs and upkeep he is reaffirming his investment in the entire system, from gas pump to predator drone, to stock market, all the way up to congress and president.
The physical reality is that burning hydrocarbons to push large pieces of metal is not efficient. It remains a fact that, at their apex, Most of the energy homo sapiens liberated in the 20th century to the present day was wasted- it turned to heat or friction with absolutely no work being done.
We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

You’re well-named, Dreamcycle, because you have to be asleep to believe the shit they hand you!
Re: your second point. Do you not realize that Obama causally signed away abortion coverage as part of the deal to get the Health Insurance Company Bailout passed?

troutbum2 January 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

Jim,
Thanks for another great post. As for Eric Holder,
see this article from Reuters on Holders previous employment : http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-usa-holder-mortgage-idUSTRE80J0PH20120120
Quoting:
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, were partners for years at a Washington law firm that represented a Who’s Who of big banks and other companies at the center of alleged foreclosure fraud, a Reuters inquiry shows……
Reuters reported in December that under Holder and Breuer, the Justice Department hasn’t brought any criminal cases against big banks or other companies involved in mortgage servicing, even though copious evidence has surfaced of apparent criminal violations in foreclosure cases……
While Holder and Breuer were partners at Covington, the firm’s clients included the four largest U.S. banks – Bank of America, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo & Co – as well as at least one other bank that is among the 10 largest mortgage servicers. End Quote.
Every day the myth of the United States of America as a just and fair country gets buried deeper and deeper in its nationwide swamp of corruption and greed.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

That’s not a crumb the Democrats are tossing you, SNAFU.
It’s pepper spray and clubs.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

There is no way in hell that they will EVER cancel the elections.
Why would they? They keep people distracted from the important issues, they provide the illusion of democracy, they enrich the media corporations which then funnel the propaganda straight from the press releases.
Look on this very blog and you’ll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that’s better.
The party they’ve had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.
That’s better. In their minds.
So the ruling class has absolutely nothing to fear than to hold their farcical elections.
And they control the voting machines anyway.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

Al Bore DID win the election. It was stolen by the Supreme Court.
9-11 probably would still have happened, and the US would have invaded Iraq, because Saddam Hussein was selling oil in euros.
Just like the US attacked Libya under Obama, because Ghaddafi was going to sell oil in dinars.
It doesn’t matter which puppet is in the White House.

SeaYoung January 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

The non-reporting of financial fraud and widespread misconduct by MSM is questioned by Jim. Jim may be allergic to conspiracy theories, but SOPA on the back of NDAA are certainly giving legitimacy to conspiracy rationals. MSM concern for the return of corporate advertising dollars are a better explanation for non-news than diminishing returns of technology. As a young soldier freshly back from Iraq once told me, “They (MSM) only tell you what they want you to hear.” That is why we turn to you, Mr. Kunstler, to give us the straight scoop. Thank you.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

Without taking any steps against those that made it possible?

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

Yes he seemed to be genuine. But he was percieved to be weak with the Iran hostage situation. That I could forgive, but his connection with the ever sinsister Zgbniew Brezinski is another matter. And one begins to realize that it’s all one piece: the Environmental Movement is controlled at the highest level by the Globalists – who if they get their way, want to end private property and the ability to grow our own food. After all, food is power and they want it all. Most environmentally conscious people don’t know about how their idealism and goodness is going to be used by Evil. But it is.
Unfortunately, most “Green” type people are kind of mushy liberal/leftists who have never worked thru their ideas about private property vs collectivism. They honor scum like Che for example. They don’t know and they don’t want to know. That makes them sheep ripe for the plucking.
Freedom means weapons and property and the right to say No to people who want what you have. But how to combine these fundamental American values with the new paradigm? As you know, most people don’t care to struggle and just want easy answers – simple truths like idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. Anything, anything but the pain of uncertainty and the necessity of thinking.

lbendet January 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

The Money Culture” by Michael Lewis,
Hey Wage, check out wikipedia on Michael Lewis, still writing and on TV. If you like that book there’s plenty more to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lewis

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

He was taken down, that’s for sure.
First we had the incredible hype over the hostages. That has never been repeated, with the ensuing hostages over the years.
Nightly, the newscaster would intone “This is day ___ of the Iranian hostage crisis”.
Then, the Reagan team made a deal with the ayotollah to keep the hostages until after the election, in return for them selling arms to Iran. (Through Israel, as you’ll recall. The two who are now posturing against Iran).
The hostages were then released, with great fanfare, on Reagan’s inauguration day.
Even then, Carter almost won.
Here is a link about the 11% increase in polls following the speech. Ironically, you have to click through a Homeland Security ad to get to it!
http://hnn.us/articles/95308.html

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

What’s a girl to do? Eat the corn and then use the corn cob.
Leftists worry about a Christian takeover even as we are in the middle of a slow mo Communist Coup -how amazing. I admit that it could have happened the way you fantasize. But it didn’t. Why don’t you take a look? Evangelicals are strong, but they don’t even control the Republican Party much less the United States. That’s why Obama will probably get in again – the Right is hopelessly divided.

shoeless pete January 30, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

Re: “Among other untruths we’ve embraced collectively is the idea that computer-distributed information amounts to knowledge and understanding, tending toward judgment.” Thanks, Jim, that is an important bubble to pierce.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

Yes, the human capacity for organization of data is strictly limited. Thus the more data, the less knowledge. And the more knowledge, the less wisdom – each being a refinement of the previous; raw material, pollen that has to be turned into honey.
Of course a Culture could have a tremendous store of knowledge gathered over time but it takes time to process it all. Too much data or knowledge all at once will lead to poor choices if it needs to be used right away.

DeeJones January 30, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

“We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc.”
One of, if not the best post here. Thanks.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

And THAT, my peeps, is not conspiracy THEORY, it’s conspiracy FACT.
Holder (and friends) were installed for a reason; I’ll leave it to all and sundry to figure what that reason might be….

DeeJones January 30, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

“9-11 probably would still have happened…”
Actually not, because Al Gore would have withdrawn the US military from Saudi Arabia, home to Mecca,
which was the main thing that got under Osama Bin Ladin’s skin. Notice how his so-called death last year isn’t even mentioned by anyone anymore?
So it is quite unlikely that Saudis would have been involved. But someone else could have done it…
And then of course there is the whole area of ‘conspiracy theory’ which claims that either the US was in on it, or just let it happen….
We will probably never learn the full truth…

ozone January 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

Quoth Wage:
“Look on this very blog and you’ll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that’s better.”
Cognitive dissonance anyone? Hello, anybody in there?
(You’re also absolutely correct that Diebold is the “final decider” in any case. It’s all an “audience participation” feel-good sham. Show that we might actually have a choice, then maybe I’ll think about some legitimacy issues.)

DeeJones January 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

Gee, is this the same Vlad as the Vlad that posted the other night about playing with Tiggers from Gedi Prime?
You might want to go and see your MD, I think your meds might be a bit out of balance.
😉

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

Rocky Anderson – what a name! Sounds like a fag trying to sound tough. Now don’t get me wrong, he may be a fine man but he should change his name. I don’t know anything about him except his name and I already hate him. I speak for the millions of common men who vote their first impressions. I don’t but I’m still in touch with that part of myself. I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry because I have that kind of mind. I hate getting up to alarm clocks and having to put on a suit and a tie though.
I look great in a suit but I don’t want to have to “look good” like that everyday at 9 in the morning. Or take shit from Corporate Psychopaths. Advertising is a black art – one of the many poisoned fruits of Jewish genius a la Bernays, Freud’s nephew.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

That was the cat who wrote that. I’m very angry with him for doing that. I don’t try to mess him up like that when I’m in his body on his world.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

“Seemed” to be genuine? Well. We will never know for sure, but at least he called for genuine energy independence. We WERE weak vis a vis the hostages- we suborned and overthrew their democratically elected government, and supported the evil cocksucker who took its place. No offense to actual cocksuckers.
Zbig? Dunno. Carter had to compromise to some extent with the existing power structure. You may be right. The Zbigger was prewar Polish, pro-Vatican. Fuck them Nazis, hope you are ok with that.
Bottom line, Jimmeh at least had an open mind. He grew peanuts, which are not nuts, but legumes. Prolly confusing to some.
The environmentalists I know- more than a few, including me and a bunch of Earth First! badasses- want us all to return to self sufficiency, efficiency, and interdependence on local, known producers of necessity. Jimmy C would at least buy them lunch. I got the tip.
A guy who can conflate Joe Pa with Che is at the least interesting. AFAIK Che never turned his back on a molested child. But jayzus- Reagan und Che in the same verfreakinden sentence? Pick a side, Jack.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

Yes we should see the Diebolds as the Daleks of our Time. They must be opened up for inspection or the game is moot. As your hero Stalin said, it’s not the voting that counts but the counting.

k-dog January 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

Terrific piece this week as usual.

I’ve had enough of Obama, though I voted for him in 2008. I won’t vote for him again.

Yup, me too. Been there done that and even have the t-shirt.
Don’t forget to do the dog.
I have my reaction to the state of the union on my Videos page. Look for the ‘Entabulator’.
🙂

mika. January 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

Pick a side, Jack.
==
There is no side. It’s all a show. A contrived dialectic. From Hitler to Stalin to Roosevelt to Mao to Nixon to Carter and everyone else. You’re living through a script written decades prior, and you even realize it.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

Pick a side, any side? No, evil is on both sides Jack. Reagan was a decent man in way over his head: all his cabinet were CFR but he wasn’t. Sad.
And Earth First and Ed Abbey? Heroes. But what about tree spiking? Monkeywrenching to the point of murder? At least admit it’s a moral issue to ponder. And what do you think of PETA? I love animals but see them as dangerous loons who obviously getting some very big funding from somewhere. Likewise Falan Gong: good work against the ChiComs but they came out of nowhere with lots of clout. CIA?
Shecky baby that’s the problem: people pick a side, “the right side” and then they let their guard down. The battle against evil will never end in this world and we can never let our guard down. And as far as the left/right thing – there good ideas on both sides, good men on both sides, bad ideas on both sides, and evil men on both sides.

mika. January 30, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

Avoiding funding the system, avoiding being trapped into having to use their monopolies, avoiding working for and serving their organizations, avoiding participating and propping their system, is the way to go.

mika. January 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

You’re living through a script written decades prior, and you ^don’t even realize it.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

Ed Abbey was the only Environmentalist of his generation to buck the group think and speak the Truth: if the Mexicans aren’t stopped, nothing else we do matters. Far more typical was the Sierra Club wich took a massive bride from David Geldbaum (means money tree in Yiddhish, I shit you not) to shut up about the environmental carnage being caused by the Mexicans. With a few exceptions, they did.
Geldbaum is “an environmental hedge fund manager” – thar’s gold in this shit now. The biggest Green Conman of all is Maurice Strong, the Globalist Mastermind behind the Green movement – which ultimately plans to move all humans into cities and cut the population of the Earth to 500 million. The forests will only be for the Nobles – as they were back in Medevial Times.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

Ed Abbey was right. Tree spiking is right. PETA can come to my memorial BBQ. With sauce. A slice of me, con amor.
Kill a million to save a thousand. My children are dead. My nieces and nephews are worth saving. Fuck the rest of y’all, in the nicest way possible. I love you, truly. Come over. Darkness is our blanket.
I am an evil man. I have done that which is verboten. I have learned the truth, the hard way. It sucks, but try to deny its beauty. Black is bright. Sun is night. Believe it.
Death is life’s greatest friend.
Shalom, companeros. Te amo. Venceremos.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

I had no idea! Thanks for the link.
He explained things very clearly.
However, it’s very possible that leveraged buyouts are easier to explain than collateralized debt obligations.

Smokyjoe January 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

“America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care.”
Little Debbie Snack Cakes come in two flavors. 900-pound-man food of choice.
And Abbey was right…consult his out-of-print Good News for what Peak Oil West might look like after the 900-pounders have all starved.

Kurt Cagle January 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

Bustin,
Oh, very well said. I’d never thought of the notion of automobile as prosthetic, but it makes a great deal of sense.
Re: Obama’s All of the Above Strategy. I disagree with Jim here. I thought it was politically a very shrewd move, especially in conjunction with ending oil subsidies. One consequence of that of course is that oil costs will go up, but there may be a bit of virtuous cycle there in that oil prices in the very near term are likely to fall 25-30% if the current oil contango is any indication. This means that the end of subsidies will come just as oil prices themselves are falling, meaning that overall we’ll end up continuing with Texas crude oil in the $75-$95 range (Brent, which most of the rest of the world uses as their standard oil price, runs about $25-30 more).
Additionally, Obama’s LNG comments also meant that the government is seeing LNG as being something worth providing additional oversight on, which was likely not good news to the LNG industry even though environmentalists were the first to be wary.
Similarly, it provided cover for the Keystone pipeline decision, which even from a business standpoint benefited the Koch brothers and a few other billionaire investors while providing little real tangible benefit to the US, and gave him leverage to negotiate a better route or more beneficial deal. Finally, it gave him cover for expanding alt-energy, defused Solyndra as an issue, and boxed in his rivals.
Folks, Obama is not going to pull a Jimmy Carter here. He knows full well that if he comes forward with THE TRUTH he won’t get elected, won’t complete his political agenda and may as well hand the country to his opponents right now. The honeymoon that he’s had with the banks has ended – politically, he has no cover to defend them any longer, and Goldman Sachs and others are already placing their bets on Romney because Obama has no choice BUT to go populist at this stage. (Remember that FDR was even more 1% by a long stretch than Obama, but he was forced into working against the banks eventually because there was no path forward otherwise and Main Street rage was rising).

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

Perhaps you missed Obama’s gloating over his announced hit on Osama during his State of the Union address.
Amazing that we have sunk so low that the President can posture and preen like a Mafia capo about his hits, while his partners in crime cheer him on.
Of course I don’t believe that Osama Binladen orchestrated 9-11 from his cave in Afghanistan. Of course I don’t believe that 110 story buildings can explode and collapse at the speed of gravity.
That was planned before 9-11, for the expressed purpose of being used to get the American people to support endless war and Homeland Repression.
If it was just an accident of the Bush administration, why was the Patriot Act ready to roll? Why was the military ready to invade?
Why was it played as an administration triumph? Instead of a massive failure? Why wasn’t it played as a reason to get off of Saudi oil? Instead of a reason to give tax credits for Hummers?
Why did the military in charge that day get medals and promotions? Instead of court martials and firings? Ditto the National “Security” establishment?
Of course I don’t believe that Osama Binladen lived in Pakistan suburbia for 10 years, or that the Navy Seals did the hit and then threw him into the ocean with cement shoes.
Of course I believe that 9-11 would have happened under Gore, and he would have been whisked off to a cave in Nebraska and told how to play it or else.
And I believe that the media would have played Gore as our Father-in-Chief, and we would have been told that “we all were terrified” by 9-11, and that we were all so scared that we welcomed the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security.
Just like we are told that we all hated Carter’s speech and that we all loved Reagan.
They create the reality and we are told to believe it.

shecky January 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

I once helped to extricate a 700 pound man from his doublewide. He was having an MI, septo-lateral STEMI. We had to cut down the wall of his “home” to get him out and take him to the closest cath lab. Hx CHF, ejection fraction 28%.
He sued, of course. Still in litigation. Awaiting the subpoena. He is dead. His estate salivates.

mika. January 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

They create the reality and we are told to believe it.
==
And they hire and create the public scapegoats for the media to focus on while they hide nameless and unmentioned in the shadows.

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

And Israel is nothing but a Vatican Front.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

Yep, that’s why the corporate media went crazy about the Occupy movement, which refused to get involved in the political theater and pointed its finger straight at the financial sector and the 1%.
No,no! Don’t focus on Wall Street!
Look! Over there! Look at the politicians! They’re the ones that are out to get you!

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

You must drink wine out of a skull! Leftists tried to crash the Dueling Society’s big ball in Vienna.
Black is bright? Well they took a guy out in a UFO for a ride around the solar sytsem. He said he couldn’t see the sun cuz it was “too dark out there”.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

Obama causally signed away abortion coverage – Wage
Although causally is a word, I’m guessing you meant casually…….but what the hay, close enough for clusterfucknation.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

“The party they’ve had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.
That’s better. In their minds.” – Wage
You convinced me. I wasn’t gonna vote at all but now I’m going to vote for the only straight talker in the bunch, Ron Paul.

ozone January 30, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some major liar/hoodwinker is trying to get you to respond affirmatively to the talking points of his relentless clandestine agenda of eugenically-driven Fascism. (Upper-case “F”, as in “now you’re FUCKED”.)
Although fed and clothed by his paymasters/true Masters, he does show a bit of individualistic creativity in order to accomplish his required distractions. I wonder if there’s a little something extra in his pay envelope for that, or if it simply keeps him out of combat zones?

ozone January 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

Another excellent adventure?
Yeah, baby.

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

“If Obama gets us involved in another imperialist war in the Middle East (THIS TIME AGAINST IRAN), I know I won’t be voting for him…”
Really? He hasn’t already fucked up enough other shit? He’ll have to do this for you to not vote for him? Holly-fucking-shit…are you retarded?

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

“Hey Jude. I’m with you in regards to voting for Obama. But where is the alternative? ”
Hey MORON how about a glass of orange juice as an alternative? Or a bottle of curdled milk? I could give you millions of alternatives, you fucking simpleton. Wake the fuck up.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

he was percieved – Vlad
i before e except after c. – Missus
makes them sheep ripe for the plucking. – Vlad
and the chickens ripe for the shearing – Missus
idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. – Vlad
Wow, now Joe Pa = Mao et al! – Missus
What the hay, it’s all good at clusterfucknation.

TrE January 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

“They create the reality and we are told to believe it.”
——
Just finished Reinventing Collapse by Dmitry Orlov. If you haven’t read this yet, GET it tonight. If you have it already, START re-reading it tonight. It’s funny, it’s instructive, it’s intelligent, and it’s poignant, and you’ll never look at what’s going on these days quite the same way again.
Among many other things, Orlov quotes Solzhenistyn’s motto for surviving the gulag:
“Don’t believe them; don’t fear them; don’t ask anything of them.”
As soon as you internalize this mantra, nothing that anyone in government, business, politics, or the media says will ever matter to you again.
Instead, you’ll find yourself free to live free of their “news”, their gamed “stock market results”, their mis-remembrances of Carter and Reagan, and everything else.
Peace & love to you all.

greyghost05 January 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

Wage,
Monsanto probably just got the info on GMO Corn or Soy bean purchases from the local co-op where the farmers buy their seed. If they bought it one year and none the next year they are suspect. There were cases here in Michigan where farmers were busted and charges with using unlicensed GMO’s. I haven’t heard of it lately though. It says on the bag that saving and reusing is prohibited under penalty of law.
Also I checked out your blog. You’ve pretty much summed up how big agra works. Around here Conagra is the buyer and they set the price about .40 cents below the CBoT spot price.
I didn’t let anyone farm my land last year. I have 2 offers for this year but I’m leaning more toward not. I think I’ll just get back into gardening on a larger scale then what I used to do.
It’s time to relearn how to be self sufficient again.
Phil

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry – Vlad
but I’d have made a lousy lexicographer. – Missus
What the hay, this is just CFN.

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

“A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon.”
Wrong. To convert to NG costs about 1200.00. Octane is 130 vs 93. Engines run much cleaner hence lower maintenance. There is over 6 million miles of NG lines in US. If one runs in front of your house, you could have a fill fitting installed in your garage. Existing gas stations could tap into lines running underneath their stations.
Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all.

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

“Carter didn’t need to do that as an ex-president. ”
Yes he did. It was his penance for being such a shitty President.

Boris January 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

“America is not interested in reality. America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care.”
lol

Prelapsarian Press January 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm #

Agreed. His best metaphor yet.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

Rocky Anderson – what a name! Sounds like a fag – Vlad
He was a Scot who fought as a lightweight back in the 40s.

Vlad Kramps January 30, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

Gotta agree with you on that one, Asoka. I think that’s where we’re headed. Once the majority of us have incomes so tiny that our $$ will have zero impact on these massive wars we’ve set up to steal oil, the POTUS will have no more cash to murder Muslims….the horror of it all! 😉

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all. – Mrs B
Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don’t know the difference between then and than. That is all. – Missus

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

“Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don’t know the difference between then and than. ”
I do know the difference, I made a mistake. YOU are a MORON. That is all.

TrE January 30, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

For those of you who’ve already read Reinventing Collapse, we already have a rich panel of experts to start developing and advising our new Collapse Party: James Howard Kunstler as ombudsman; Dmitry Orlov as historian; Nicole Foss on internal affairs; Richard Heinberg on energy & agriculture; John Wesley, Rawles, security; Duncan Crary, communications.

greyghost05 January 30, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

You hit it on the head. There was a good book out about the WTC and it’s falling down. It was written by Dennise Smith NYFD(ret) In the book he compared how when a plane crashes and kills a couple of hunderd people the government will spend a million dollars to piece the plane back together so as to figure out what failed. We had 2 major buildings collapse and the rubble was hauled off as quickly as possible with a minimal of inspection. Hmmmmmmm
You’re right about where it might all be going.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes. – Asoka
Agreed, and if we all get on-board with your idea it would have the added benefit of crushing the economy, Wall Street, Social Security, Medicare and all the many good works of Big Government that you have listed for us in many previous posts. A thousand a month plus a mud hut for everyone sounds about right. – Missus

Mrs Beasley January 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

“I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes.”
How moronic. Currently 47% pay no income tax. How is that? By design. If there ain’t enough money to fund their dreams they’ll simply change the formula.

greyghost05 January 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

It’s kind’a like looking at the news after watching Wag The Dog.
The masters of creating illusion can be found at http://www.rendongroup.com

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

Yes. Except that there were three major buildings that collapsed.
http://wtc7.net/
No one ever talks about the third one, because it was even more obviously a controlled demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
On the tenth anniversary, TPTB shot 2 light beams into the air, in case any of the conditioning was wearing off.
But the 9-11 Truth movement pointed out that there should be three beams of light.
About the seed cleaners. Maybe. But I got the impression that their clients had been saving seeds for many years.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars – Wage
Giving a verbal update to my boss on a particular investigation I was conducting, I began a sentence: “I suspect…..” and he came down on my head like an anvil. He said I don’t give a FUCK!! what you “suspect.” Report back when you actually KNOW something.

wagelaborer January 30, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

Medicare and Social Security are funded separately from federal income taxes, and everyone pays those taxes, even the bottom 47%.
Oh, wait, not everyone. Any income over $106,000 doesn’t get that flat 13% tax.
Only the poor are taxed fully for Social Security and Medicare.

lbendet January 30, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

Fannie and Freddie Shorts the housing market.
Yep guys if you don’t watch Dylan Ratigan, you aren’t hearing the news.
After getting bailed out by the American tax payer, our government agencies are actually making money betting against the very housing market they are supposed to support—
See the segment Bad Economy BOUGHT by greed. You will learn to love this show as much as I.
This is one sociopathic system.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37560195/#46194739

progress2conserve January 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

Nice week’s work, JHK. Thanks, as always.
“Meanwhile, we’ll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life, and so, necessarily, the result will be an obscene scramble for power and resources that will leave a lot of people dead.”
-jhk-
JHK manages to hit a few notes on this theme almost every single week. He is to be congratulated for his persistence and courage on this subject.
Because, statements about population collapse make JHK, or anyone else, run afoul of the more-immigrants-must-come-into-the-United-States-forever lobby, and their obnoxious and racist spokesperson(s) on CFN. Without fossil fuels, the US is overfilled to bursting already and death is only waiting for us to stumble a bit, or run out of tractor diesel.
And the fossil fuels WILL run out. Even in the unlikely event that we DO have l00 years of natural gas due to those f*cking fracking technologies – then what? At that point, 100 years in the future, present trends extrapolate to WELL over half a BILLION desperate humans on the US landmass.
This insane population growth trend could be stopped, by the simple expedient of stopping LEGAL immigration. From many accounts, illegal immigration has already slowed, with the collapse of the economy and real estate development. But, LEGAL immigration zooms merrily onward, unchecked – and subsidized heavily by the US government.
So – what can we say about the residents in the US in 100 years, regardless of their country of origin?
They are going to look back and hate us all.
For good reason.
Join this group or find a better one.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Widespreadpanic7 January 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

Jim, do you really expect the national media, ‘specially the print media, to question Halder and Obama? Newspapers are bankrupt, morally and financially bankrupt. Not only will these ass kissing syncophants refrain from any criticism of this administration, but they will level charges of racism against anyone that does.
I see that Charlotte, home of this summers Democrat national convention, has passed a bunch of ordinances against camping inside city limits, also regulating the size of public gatherings in the streets and in the parks. What do you guess that these particular laws will be enforced with brutal efficiency?
–WSP7

bubbleheadMarc January 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

If not for Nader the election wouldn’t have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen. Of course I’m not begrudging Nader’s right to run for president. Also, Nader didn’t force the Bushes to steal the election.

progress2conserve January 30, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

Somebody mentioned the Sierra Club selling out protection of the US environment to big money and political correctness. It happened.
I cancelled my Sierra Club membership years ago.
Everyone should. Money whores – this explains it.
http://www.susps.org/

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm #

Obama’s stock and trade is hope – L
The expression is “stock in trade.”

Widespreadpanic7 January 30, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

P2C, Mark Steyn had an interesting observation in a column in IBD last week about ‘job creation’. He said 1.25 million immigrants arrived here legally last year, and perhaps twice that number illegally. Any ‘job creation’ that might have occurred was sopped up by people coming in here from the third world. I think we’re being played.
–WSP7

Vlad Krandz January 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male?

Widespreadpanic7 January 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

One more thing … all the excitement in the financial world about Facebooks’ impending $100 billion IPO, what’s it all about? Is that company really worth $100 billon? It hard to fathom.
–WSP7

progress2conserve January 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

“If not for Nader the election wouldn’t have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen.” -the resident submariner-
Thanks, Marc, I was about to say something to that effect myself. Supporting a third party candidate is all well and good – in elections that are going to be a blow-out. But in close elections – – – not so much, IMO.
—————————
Looks like the Georgia Republican primary will be close between Newton and Willard. And, as I posted last week, my inclination is to vote for Ron Paul.
But, what if my vote for Paul puts Mittens or The Amphibian over the top in GA, and then he wins the RP nomination and then beats Obama. It would all be my fault for “wasting my vote,” right?
Or, at least one could argue that I could have prevented it, if I had NOT “wasted my vote.”
I don’t know. I’m just asking.
And, yeah, the framers of the Constitution would be DISGUSTED that so much power has been usurped by the Executive Branch to the point that the POTUS election has so much “importance.”. And ALL of us should be disgusted at the emotional (and financial) capital being invested in the POTUS primary – when there are so many other political races and social dilemmas facing us locally and nationally.
The media loves “news,” though.
So that’s what we have.

progress2conserve January 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

“Any ‘job creation’ that might have occurred was sopped up by people coming in here from the third world. I think we’re being played.” -wsp-
Ding, Ding, DIng, DINg, DING!
Somebody ring the bell of truth for WSP!

Headless January 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

I wish someone would kill someone so we can get the God damned inevitable show on the road; it is coming; it is going to be violent; it is going to leave those who survive with the kind of hope that they might have had when they were duped into voting for Obama, but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done

fairguy January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

“It is really hard to account for the stupendous incompetence of the news media in recent years.”
What baffles me even more is the continued gullibility of the general public in accepting these lies, central among them the energy independence story.
I can only surmise that the post-WW2 suburban generation (aka boomers) has been robbed of its critical capabilities by successive generations of teachers, preachers and corporate “leaders”.
Obama will likely be re-elected and given a second chance to tell the truth. If he doesn’t, the truth will beat down his door.

army January 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

The Country is going down in flames……it’s over guys and girls. Nobody really cares. Most people are worried about the fucking Super Bowl. The leadership knows this and will continue to bullshit us to the nth degree. No matter who gets elected President……their welcome to the White House will be a command performance of the movie of John Kennedy getting his brains blown out in Dallas. We no longer have a President. We have a puppet that is either an idiot or one who has a command of the language but has no authority. The behind the doors crime family pulls the strings. All of this crap you hear on the daily news is total bullshit. All the numbers provided by the Government are what they want you to hear.
Sooner or later the people of this Country will be slaves of the very rich. Take a look at our soldiers. We no longer believe in education,and freedom.
We have a youger generation that constantly checks their cell phone while they look for a free meal.
We have grown into a greedy, stupid bunch of people.
Let the riots begin on FACEBOOK OR TWITTER!
Keep writing to Jim…..honestly, nobody cares.

Dharma Sanctuary January 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

That allergy helping you circumvent possible conspiracies in our midst must be getting itchy these days.
I love your writing and your subject matter, but don’t quite get the resistance to the idea of some behind-the-scenes agendas getting created by a cadre of people. I suppose we can go overbaord if we see this happening everywhere, but to my view, there are indeed certain individuals and groups steering aspects of society. Maybe conspiracy isn’t the right word?

third_martini_banter January 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm #

Kunstler’s opening paragraph this week surely belongs in the pantheon with Taibbi’s immortal lines: “The world’s most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”
When I read “America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care” I laughed so hard I nearly choked — the dogs looked up with notes of alarm in their eyes.

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

a third carrier group is headed to the Straits of Hormuz – Gaz
Have you ever wondered why you sometimes read “Strait” and other times “Straits” when there is only one narrow passage way? There’s the Strait (or Straits) of Hormuz, Gibraltar, Magellan, etc. and either way is considered acceptable. Apparently Straits is not the plural of Strait.
Also, the name of the Strait (or Straits), such as Hormuz, generally follows, rather than precedes, Strait(s), but not always. For example the Bering Strait(s). Why not the Hormuz Strait(s)? Why not the Strait(s) of Bering?
All of this aside the worst thing is to see these Straits written as Straights as though they were heterosexual.
Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?

ExtraO January 30, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

When that front-loader (we always called them “skip-loaders”) finally does bash its way through the trailer bedroom wall, it’ll be driven by a Chinese, and he WON”T be delivering anything to an emergency room. It’ll be straight to the ash pile of history.

azgog January 30, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

Brilliant BJ.
The “yawning mouths” of IC engines almost outnumber us and will be fed for a while yet. Its really our highest priority.
Everyone pretends that its normal, but being propelled at 60mph wherever you want to go, up mountains and across rivers, in any weather, with built-in stereo, video and satellite web connection is a psychoactive ego power trip. All drivers are like kings and queens to the humble earth.
Look at the subcultures devoted to brand identity, horsepower, paint color and options. They get washed and polished, fluids replaced, fetishized and displayed (note heavy sex association). American men might have smaller cocks from all the plastic estrogens in the water and beer but at least they can still go fast, look desperately childish and make a lot of noise.
Bicycles get better mileage but don’t have the perks. They also don’t puke asbestos dust, carbon dioxide and and a variety of other carcinogens into the atmosphere.
This is why Americans will go APESHIT when they are immobilized by much higher priced/unavailable gas. It affects more than utility, it impacts the ego that is now so invested in their customized womb-like magic flying carpets.
So OK go ahead, attack Iran, whatever, just keep that fabulous juice flowing cause I’m not sure what else could take its place. Growing vegetables, chopping wood and carrying water don’t seem as exciting.

azgog January 30, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language and would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit.

ctemple January 30, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, ‘hating whitey’, that is.
For them it’s really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks.
For my money though, I have lost whatever hope I once had that some of the batshit crazy irresponsible things that have been done will ever be re thought among the jerks that did them. And this isn’t just the left either. Most of the idiots who wanted the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are still there cherleading for another one with Iran. The dickheads who wanted ‘free trade’ are still in place lying about it. The global climate change is just a commie plot asshholes are still going around spouting their nonsense.
Have the Birthers given up, don’t let facts and common sense stand in the way of a half assed theory.
That should be the motto of the 21th century.

DeeJones January 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

“Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, ‘hating whitey’, that is.”
OR:
Looking at some of the RIGHTWING cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, ‘hating whitey’, that is.
“For them it’s really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks.”
hMMM… No change really needed here….
“Its ALL good”
HAVANICEDAYNOWYAHEAR
😉

MissusQuiche January 30, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit. – Azgog
oooh stop (teehee) you big flirt; and would it be you or me that’s in the saucy outfit? – Mis
Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language – Az
In addition to what other concerns? ……or did you mean “Yes, I, also, am concerned..etc.?” And BTW, it’s subtleties. – Mis

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

Well, Q is back nitpicking grammar and usage.
OEO is back calling people morons.
Procon is still saying LEGAL immigration is the sources of our all woes.
That means I am out of here … for at least five minutes, maybe longer.

Shakazulu January 30, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

“but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done”
If you’re waiting for folks to go to killing each other, you won’t have long to wait. As to your statement that “justice will finally be done” I completely agree, with heavy emphasis on FINALLY, as in like on Judgment Day.

Shakazulu January 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

“it’ll be driven by a Chinese, and he WON”T be delivering anything to an emergency room. It’ll be straight to the ash pile of history.”
Sends cold chills through you just thinking about it. Although I wouldn’t want any Mexicans or Russians driving the thing either….can’t really think of any kindly overlords out there, can you?

Shakazulu January 30, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

“My gods’ penis is bigger then your god’s penis!!!”
Can’t speak for your god, but mine wouldn’t need a penis and if he did he could make it as big as he wanted to.

Shakazulu January 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

“What else can explain the barking madness on display like a freak show gone bad.”
The demise of the Twinkie, maybe?

BenjaminTheDonkey January 30, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

Noblesse oblige, in days of yore,
Meant the rich could not wholly ignore
When the poor would implore;
It was that way before,
But apparently, not anymore.

resistance January 30, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

Obummer is a not only the best republican president ever.licking the boots of the banksters and wall street to a spit shine that would make John McPain stand at attention and salute. This man is a Traitor and should be hung in public view. he sold out the national health care system and hand delivered 40 million new retain customers to the Insurance companies while bankrupting all of us who pay thru the nose for a rip off health policy. He was the great critic of the Bush wars and then he starts invading the entire world without congresses approval. He passes the NDDA act and now is trying to shut off free speech in the internet with the SOPA act. All you hear from the so called Republicans is lower taxes on the rich and do not cut the Military aggression budget. When will the Congress get some balls and charge this man with treason? If they don’t they should all be removed from office as co conspirators to TREASON

asoka. January 30, 2012 at 10:53 pm #

RELIGION IS LIKE A PENIS
Is good to have one…
It’s fine to be proud of it…
But please don’t whip it out in public and start waving it around…
And PLEASE don’t shove it down the children’s throats…

Godozo January 30, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

We’ll have an election in 2012.
After all, the Republicans need to have their majorities to institute everything they’ve been pushing for since 2008 (and – let’s not forget – the ability to rework those rules Obama has passed to their benefit).
Remember, in 2014 your health insurance card becomes your ID. When the GOP has its way, God help you if you don’t have health insurance…because it will become a criminal act for your fellow man to do so.

Godozo January 30, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

Gore threw the 2000 elections.
He didn’t want to owe black people for getting him elected. Indeed, he knew about what was going on in Florida and let it happen.
Ever notice that he tried to get the votes counted in the HISPANIC MAJORITY counties? Never mind the hyperloose parameters on defining who was a “felon” in Florida that took away the rights of lots of blacks…or the fact that the Florida A&M Union was closed on Election day (surprise, surprise).
Gore didn’t want to owe the black people anything. So he gave the election to Bush.

dgmoocher January 30, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

2012 will be the year when awareness raises above the thorzine levels typical of post WWII runup to nowhere. Anything is possible. One thing is certain. We MUST keep Obama out of office.

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 12:02 am #

Vlad knew all about it, even the name of the fellow funding its pro immigrant stance.
And:
Muslim inbreeding is causing a massive surge in birth defects:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513388/Minister-Muslim-inbreeding-Britain-causing-massive-surge-birth-defects.html
Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.” The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

Bustin J January 31, 2012 at 12:13 am #

MizzQuiche said “Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?”
There is! We’ll set you two up on a date, post-haste.
Headless (nice nick) said “I wish someone would kill someone so we can get the God damned inevitable show on the road; it is coming; it is going to be violent; it is going to leave those who survive with the kind of hope that they might have had when they were duped into voting for Obama, but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done”
I don’t think so, bro. First, Americans aren’t capable of walking. Instead of ‘dine out’ mos twill probably ‘eat in’, devouring the relatives.
After the pets of course.

John L January 31, 2012 at 12:42 am #

The solution to the energy crisis is thorium based reactors.. can’t melt down.. byproducts safe in 10 years.. enough thorium in the u.s. for 1,000 years of energy @ current levels.. haven’t heard of it?? It’s being suppressed by the media and their corporate overlords.. google it, you’ll see what I mean, and get on the bandwagon!

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 1:08 am #

John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.
BTW, you have just committed a sin on this forum.
CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies.
Repeat the CFN catechism: “We are so fucked!”
No hint of solutions are admitted. Continue in that vein and they will hit you with “the laws of physics” (classical Newtonian, not quantum) or quotes from Malthus or Hobbes.
CFN uniformly believes the “laws of physics” guarantee our doom.

James Hansen January 31, 2012 at 1:11 am #

Any body hear about this?
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/25-3
Bad things are happening faster and faster, hey Asoka, do you need a roommate?

MissusQuiche January 31, 2012 at 1:26 am #

We MUST keep Obama out of office. – DGMoocher
This^ seems to be the near-universal sentiment here at CFN. Personally, I care little either way since no matter who gets in it will be a continuation of Big Government which I detest. But just so you can scratch the election’s outcome off your list of daily concerns let me assure you Obama will be returned to office for four more years.
How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary to win the Democratic nod and then the election itself nine months later. I even emailed my brother in FL at the time and informed him with great certainty of my epiphany.
I had seen a memorable picture in the NY Times. Obama had just delivered an ordinary political speech somewhere on the campaign trail and then stepped into the crowd to press some flesh. Those captured in the photo with Obama were mostly women and their faces – “to a man” – were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.
Two days ago I saw a similar (current) photo taken in virtually identical circumstances as the 2008 shot. Visible were three young women and Obama. The faces of the women reminded me of a photo I once saw of the three girls at Fatima in Portugal who were looking heavenward and allegedly seeing the Virgin Mary. I have never seen looks of rapture quite like it but the young women with Obama came close. Remember, roughly half the voters will be women. Sorry to have to break it to ya’ll, especially Vlad, but Obama is a shoo-in.
Now, Asoka has been running one of his diversionary I-am-large-I-contain-multitudes dodges recently, supporting Green candidate Jill Stein who (whom?) both he and I know will draw fewer votes than K-Dog. Take it from me, Asoka will be ecstatic when Obama wins despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 1:32 am #

Nation of origins act, is that the right term…
that was removed in 1965 and the floodgates opened.
Yes Bj that changed things fundamentally.

Mike Moskos January 31, 2012 at 1:34 am #

Our politicians are either the “hollow dummies” George Orwell or reasonably bright “folks” (hate that word) who, like any good salesman, tell us what they think we want to hear. And as long as someone is buying our debt–investors with nowhere else to go, the Federal Reserve, etc.–the illusion can continue ad infinitum.
Here’s my take on things like NDAA, SOPA, etc.: the politicians are preparing for an easier transition to a full-on fascist state. “We need these great powers to fight TERRORISTS”, but NO, we’d never use them against our own people. By introducing them gradually, there’s no enough opposition to halt them.
The greatest crimes are always committed by men of the best intentions. Bill Bronner calls them the “world improvers”. Now is the time to ensure you have a passport; dual citizenship is an even better idea.
As for climate change, take a look at Allan Savory / The Savory Institute. By putting FAR more herbivores on the land, we can sink 2x as much carbon per year as we need to as well as reverse desertification–the primary component of societal collapse. No scheme gives so many benefits for so little cost. (Most farmers will jump at the chance to do it since it turns nearly bankrupt farms into profitable ones–the farmers just have to learn about it.)

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 1:39 am #

Did Monsanto buy Blackwater?

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 1:40 am #

Yes but

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 1:52 am #

DEE…………before you call me a tale bearer
‘Um, unless he was pure Mayan, lived in a hidden valley and never came out, this is impossible.
EVERYONE here learns Spanish. There is no way a non Spanish speaker would even be able to get to the US without knowing some Spanish.
So this is just an ‘urban legend”
LAPD: Cop Who Killed Manuel Jamines Acted Within the Law …
colorlines.com/…/lapd_cop_who_killed_immigrant_acted_within_th…
A memorial is set up following the fatal shooting of Manuel Jamines. … a 37-year-old Guatemalan father of three, … Spanish or English commands to drop the weapon, because he spoke neither. …
Me thinks yr a bit arrogant dear Dee!

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 1:54 am #

Are you Q?
‘were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.’
In a word, pitiful.

tucsonspur January 31, 2012 at 4:01 am #

Right on, Jim. The opening lyrics:
“It’s just your jive talkin
You’re telling me lies, yeah
Jive talkin
You wear a disguise
Jive talkin
So misunderstood, yeah
Jive talkin
You really no good”
Son of a Bitch!
For those unaware, it stands for “Stop Obama Now Or Face Awful, Big, Intense, Tragic, Consequences Hereafter!”
As I mentioned in a previous post, Obama roped the dopes and doped the hopers. That sweet blast of a false hope magnificently disguised.
I don’t know if I’ll finish it. Video myself kickin’ up the knees, throwin’ out the arms, jive’n to a rap beat in jug ears and blackface, with tombstone teeth, to the following:
“He be dat hip-hop hipster
He be dat Harvard slickster
He be dat Hillary tripster…..”
Probably kill myself, but it might be worth it.
I can see it now; “Funky amateur rap tune helps defeat Obama.”

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IxNoMor January 31, 2012 at 4:55 am #

No discourse about the clearcutting/bulldosing required to get at those tar sands – But Canada *guarantees* those fields will be replanted!!!
Obama, the pushover, bend-over-backwards pawn. So fscking sad, really. Him and his 3 years in office *SAY A LOT*. Now he’s going to help out those in foreclosure – really?!… THANX A LOT!!! About 3.5 years too late, but WTF – GG, O-***BOMB***-A. How about gitmo, or afghanistan, or pakistan, or yemen, or …
Sorry, I’m too tired for this SH!T.

IxNoMor January 31, 2012 at 5:10 am #

I will merely bleet the following fart – that Archdruid showed exactly the prosthetic condition of automobiles, and *TV*, over a week ago (same old, same old!!!). Something about one being freedom, and the other being community – LOL!!!

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 6:50 am #

Obama, the pushover, bend-over-backwards pawn.
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If Obama was such a pawn, he would have signed the XL pipeline deal like the industry wanted. He just said no.
There are lots of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama, but when he refuses to sign on with the oil industry I give him credit for refusing to sign on with the oil industry. Pawn he was not. Pushover he was not. He did not bend over backward. You lose credibility Ixnomor when you confuse yes with no.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 7:06 am #

despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.
=====================
So I’m only 50% Black?
Believe me, in this country that makes you Black.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 7:13 am #

How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary
=======================
And you probably know a liberal pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-socialized medicine vulture capitalist Mormon will become the Republican candidate, right? Right.

bubbleheadMarc January 31, 2012 at 7:38 am #

Since your vote isn’t a wager you should vote for the best candidate, even if they have no chance of getting elected that time. On the other hand, when you’re betting on sports, you of course should go with the most likely winner, that is if you wish to win the bet.
My take on whether or not we are “doomed”, brought up by Asoka, is that if we are in fact doomed it is because of our asinine political system, and not because there is no more energy. So if JHK really does believe that it is completely impossible to adapt to declining fossil fuel supplies, then he is missing the point. The fact is, with today’s construction methods, when we heat our houses we are also heating the great outdoors, and that of course is unsustainable. It is also unrealistic to insist that present arrangements cannot be improved upon, or that reactors will never run on alternate fuels such as thorium. It is also myopic to insist that there could be no eventual recovery from any impending collapse of civilization, much as if any dark age must be permanent.
Neverheless, we are so fucked up politically that doom is a real possibility. For one thing, we don’t really have majority rule since we don’t have a prime minister chosen from the majority party who must also get elected each time by his own home constituency. Of course other countries with such a system are frequently FUBAR, so nothing is perfect. We however seem to be in a state of permanent stalemate.

IxNoMor January 31, 2012 at 7:46 am #

Mr selective – what is capitalism? Destroying every last thing in sight, and *MAKING SURE* nothing comes back in its place. What is socialism/communism? Bwahhaaahahaaah! T’was fun, Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)…

lbendet January 31, 2012 at 7:54 am #

Speaking of the XL Pipeline, I’d like to repost something I found last week. It’s really important that we understand that making money to the nth degree means mass murder.
That is the Milton Friedman way which took the place of Keynesianism thanks to Reagan.
It’s not like I’m saying corruption has not been a part of human nature, I’m saying it’s codified in economic theory and lack of legal enforcement globally.
When you start to read this, click on the “show me more” finish reading and then on the right side of the screen is a video of Palast in interview on the subject. You will find out that BP knew damn well what was going to happen, because they had the same accident before using quick setting cement. They pay off the heads of state to keep quiet about their accidents.
http://www.gregpalast.com/

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 7:57 am #

What is capitalism? Privatized health “care”
What is socialism/communism? Medicare/VA
Medicare and VA are socialistic and actually work. The inclusive pool has power and is more efficient (3% overhead costs).
The capitalistic privatized model goes out of its way to deny claims, and continually raises prices, for the sake of private profit. (17% overhead)

Newfie January 31, 2012 at 8:01 am #

There’ll be plenty of snakes to eat in Florida after the collapse (if you can catch them)
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/277633/snakes-blamed-for-evere-declines-in-florida-wildlife
Why isn’t this news in the MSM ? Probably because:
“People cannot stand too much reality” – Carl Jung.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 8:02 am #

“Big government” health care: 3% overhead
Privatized health “care” : 17% overhead
Big government is more efficient.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 8:12 am #

Ron Paul has enjoyed the benefits of government health care all the years he has been a Republican congressman.
Not once has he refused his big government health care benefits. Ron Paul has a Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance plan paid for through his employer (the federal government) … wait, I mean Ron Paul has a health care plan paid for by the taxpayers.
Of course, there are members of congress with integrity who talk the talk and walk the walk:

Rep-elect Joe Walsh (R-IL) told the New York Times that he will stick to his Tea Party roots and decline the government health care provided to members of congress.

Ron Paul is not one with such integrity. Ron Paul is an evangelical Christian Republican life-long politician who does not act on his on principles.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 8:19 am #

Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)…
==============
Wrong. I’m not “under the radar”
I’m open, public, and loud about one’s options to live more simply and thereby LEGALLY owe no federal income taxes. (I pay lots of other kinds of taxes.)
http://nwtrcc.org/practical5.php
Note to Q.:
I love my mud hut!

lbendet January 31, 2012 at 8:20 am #

Whoever wrote that Gore threw the 2000 elections because he didn’t want to be beholden to blacks, think again. Good and hard.
We all see things from our own peculiar point of view, but truly, as soon as I saw W. on the ticket for the Republican primaries and that there was big money behind him, I thought, we’re going back to finish the job in Iraq and get rid of Saddam.
What might throw a bit of light on this is that defense contractor, Mitchell Wade told his employees they must vote for Bush because they were going to get a lot of work if he gets in. That, BTW is the same contractor who Duke Cunningham got entangled with, and is still serving jail time for corruption.
I know Gore was a wreck after that, he gained weight, grew a beard and disappeared until he brought up the global warming issue.
I’m sure he was told what the game plan was going to be and he was not the guy they wanted in the White House.
I’ve said this many times, the President serves at the pleasure of the elite.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 9:22 am #

as soon as I saw W. on the ticket for the Republican primaries and that there was big money behind him, I thought, we’re going back to finish the job in Iraq and get rid of Saddam.

And you were right!
So, what’s on tap for Obama’s second term? Any predictions about what the elite want him to do?
Obama has used more drone attacks and killed more terrorists in three years than Bush did in eight.
Obama has deported more immigrants in three years than Bush did in eight.
Obama has already been the best Republican president we’ve had since Eisenhower.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 11:15 am #

Are you kidding me? You won’t vote for Ron Paul because maybe that would make Rommey win, and then maybe Rommey would win in November, and then, ????
What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?
You truly amaze me, Prog.
Vote for Ron Paul, for pete’s sake. Quit living in fear.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 11:21 am #

Seriously? You seriously think that there are progressives here who hate white people SO much that they are willing to watch their entire country be destroyed, just in the hope that white people will go down at some point?
Have you not noticed that the black people went down first?
Have you not noticed that a whole lot of brown people have been killed since 1965?
Are you really that clueless?
Again, you and newworld set up imaginary straw men so that you can feel persecuted and self-righteous that your imaginary enemies are picking on you.
It’s really pathetic.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 11:27 am #

Whoa! That is really, really bad.
I just got a chance to look at your link.
While the puppeteers had us looking at Judy, writing letters and posting on the internet,
we got Punched out.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/25-3
Note that Monsanto is involved.

bor January 31, 2012 at 11:30 am #

I think that these goons from both parties perfectly understand that good times for the US are over. These people cannot even suggest anything reasonable on issues. They just would like to get to the feeding trove. They know perfectly well that times of unlimited resources is over. The also know that the problems this country has been facing are of objective nature. There is no subject of any kind, which if removed will ease our predicament. Obama, no Obama. Bush, no Bush. We may as well do without any president. It will change nothing.
Looking in our history one can easily see that every glorious moment of our past had been routed in practically unlimited resources – WWII, Berlin Airlift, Manhattan project, Apollo project, Interstate Highway system, to name just a few.
Today resources are practically gone. We wash the remnants of oil from dirty rocks and sand. We try to squeeze the last gas from rocks. It is even funny.
Of course, we still want to believe, that ‘…yes we can..’. But in reality we cannot. The emperor has no cloth. But do not expect that some little boy will bring you the message. In this country of ours, country of us, obese imbeciles, nobody even cares. The very few who do care may as well understand that cookies are distributed already. Nothing is left in a jar.
I love James Kunstler. His intelligence and his way with words are amazing. But if his mission to create an awareness (of what?), than he is merely an entertainer. Not more and not less.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 11:31 am #

Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did, you got that right.
But were they all terrorists? You know damn well they weren’t.
Were any of them terrorists? Even that is in question.
But since Obama reserves the right to kill anyone with charge or trial, we’ll never know.
The US no longer even pretends to care about its victims. “We don’t do body counts”.

newworld January 31, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

A couple years ago a black woman wrote a book which was basic anti-White vitriol, and so the NYTs was even off put by it and actually came to the defense of whites, saying, “They are a people becoming.”
What does that have to do with us and this Monday’s blog entry? The issues are too complex, the machine is stymied, and what has been noticed before is that the too complex breakdown into smaller manageable units.
Back to whites, the White Guilt Syndrome is the last coping mechanism for the urban white and jewish liberals, it works for them, but for the bulk of whites it is basically comitting a hate crime against them. So the old order breaks down, it always does and always will when it becomes too complex.

greyghost05 January 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

WTC- there’s been a lot of theroies about how these buildings came to fail. I didn’t read the book, I just saw the book review on BookTV that airs on C-Span. He brought up a lot of interesting things about the WTC. Like one being that it was exempt from NYC’s strict building codes thus saving bucu $$$. It was built under the Port Authority’s realm and thus neither NYFD or the NYC Building Inspecters could not inspect the Structural framework or the fire proofing which had 2 contractors. Curious point is that the final contractor “committed suicide” when it looked like he may be questioned about the fireproof coating failing to do it’s job. JP 5 only burns so hot. Then there is the claim of THERMITE traces being found everywhere in the dust. As bad as it was you would think that the buildings would not have collapsed like they did. I would’ve thought they would’ve been strong enough. A true but unrelated factoid is that many years after the fact is has been found by analizing the rivits from the Titanic that they were not to the spec’s of the print. I know it’s hard to believe but that a supplier would cut his cost by sahving some from the spec to boost his bottom line. Quite possible something similar happened at the WTC. They sure didn’t waste anytime getting rid of the building materials.
On the seed thing. Saving seeds is a common practice for farmers. However with the introduction of GMO seed it’s now against the law. You can look at stuff like that by going to your states Farm Bureau web site. There you can find the push of the Agra lobby. FB and Beverage Control are 2 of the most powerful lobbies up in Lansing and probably the same down in Springfield. They and the Insurance lobby are the ones that have declared war on the deer populations nationwide. Our deer herd here in MI is way down compared to 15 or 20 years ago. And this with less hunters !

MissusQuiche January 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

So I’m only 50% Black? – Asoka
I had no sooner clicked on Submit than I realized the possibility the drops of blood sentence could be misconstrued as referring to you ….. but, no, I was of course referring to Obama.

Rhino January 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

One thing I don’t get. Why didn’t Al Bore demand a recount of the whole state of Florida? My recollection is that he wanted a recount of only certain districts. Why only certain districts?
Anyway, I hold Bore responsible for the loss. He should’ve won hands down. He had the advantage of being VP, the economy was good and Dubya was a drunk and a goof.
There’s another school of thought out there and that is that in reality the election was a tie in terms of the popular vote. With more than 100 million votes being cast you could recount all the votes in the entire country ten times and with the errors inherent in any voting system (assuming the vote was clean) and with such a huge country you would get ten different results with Dubya winning some of the recounts and Bore winning others.
But maybe it wouldn’t have made any difference in the end.

DreamCycle January 31, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

Manners please, Wage, not necessary to be condescending. Read more carefully. Do you really believe that any health care bill would have passed if it included abortion? If we could garner the activism that the forced-pregnancy crowd attracts, then we could have sailed through with abortion on demand and paid for. We have the numbers, as no matter what they try to do it’s STILL legal. I also support Single Payer and am working for that as well. It’s two pronged, Wage, try to hang on to what we have and take it to the next step. And the next step must involve real activism, not hoping for any politician to fight the corporate world.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

As you said, in any other “accident” there is no expense spared to find out the cause. It should raise every American’s suspicions that there was no investigation about 9-11.
The attack on farmers was part of my talk on Monsanto. Did you read the link that I reposted? The power of the corporations on our “elected” officials is amazing.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

It is a fact that Gore won the popular vote throughout the US, but because of our electoral system, it came down to Florida’s electoral votes.
Jeb Bush and his Sec. of State, Katerine Harris, threw 80,000 black men off the voting rolls before the election.
But the recount showed that Gore STILL won in Florida. Unfortunately, the recount wasn’t finished until Sept. 2001.
Gore fought harder than Kerry did, in 2004. Kerry conceded before the votes were even counted in Ohio!
Still, it makes no difference to us peons which faction gets to sit in office and rake in the money.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

I wasn’t being condescending. That was a reference to George Carlin’s American Dream gig. It was a joke.
I don’t think that Obamacare is a step forward, U think it’s a step backwards. And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy, even if a Democrat does it.
So we disagree.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

That is, I think, not you think. Whoops.

ctemple January 31, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

I’m never really sure whether you pinheads are serious or just want to start another donkey dicking argument that never ends.
Any idea at all as to the odds of white people being killed by black criminals as opposed to the other way around? Or just don’t care? As long as they’re crackers

Rhino January 31, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

So who was it that flew those planes into the towers and the pentagon?

Bustin J January 31, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

Asoka said “John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.
CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies.”
Straw, man. The clusterfuck thesis is not that there are not solutions, but despite the fact, none will be implemented in time. Solutions and alternatives exist! Solar! Wind! Thorium! Conservation, rational action, urban planning… All wonderful, even Pom-wonderful.
When will the solutions be implemented?
When will the alternatives be optioned?
I don’t fantasize about doom. Its much too real and I’m going to be the old man everyone looks to for some responsible commentary. I’m going to tell them that 20th century people were full of shit, up to their eyeballs. Then I’m going to order one of my underlings to carve the heart out of a blue-painted slave, hack his head off and send it tumbling down the pyramid steps.

DreamCycle January 31, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

We don’t really disagree–we might just have different tactics. Even the small potatoes pols that I labor under sell out to the highest small town, clodhopper bidders. Evey time. That’s why I have hopes for the growing numbers of Occupy.
Cheers.

DreamCycle January 31, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

EVERY…

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

She said last week: Blacks are taught to love hateful Whites and forgive them no matter how mean they are. Just the way she put it, “mean Whites” showed how immersed in childish Marxist doggerel she is.
Wage: Blacks kill and rape at 7 to 8 times the rate of Whites. Not 7 or 8 percent higher – 7 or 8 TIMES the White Rate. Why do you think no supermarkets want to open up in Black areas? Besides the violence, the level of theft is thru the roof.
The old Southern viewpoint about Blacks was more or less correct. The modern Liberal and Conservative views are cant and dogma. This doesn’t justify slavery of course but it sure does invalide forced integration of schools, housing, affirmative action etc.

mika. January 31, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy
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Lawrence “Liberal Larry” Chomstein sum it up best:
It’s Official: Republicans Hate Sex
Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice! Bush is out, Obama is in, and a rightfully Democratic Congress is poised to pass a comprehensive stimulus package that will pull us out of the Great Depression II and put the Bush years behind us once and for all! It’s as if the entire world has wheezed a sigh of relief. For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country.
But when I woke up this morning, the Repugs had already ruined it for me. It appears that the few remaining neocons in Congress have scuttled a key provision of the stimulus package that would’ve provided free contraception for ordinary Americans.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF GODDESS IS THEIR PROBLEM? WE WON THE ELECTION, DAMMIT, NOT THEM! AMERICANS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR CHANGE LAST NOVEMBER, SO REPUBLICANS NEED TO EITHER STOP OBSTRUCTING OBAMA AND OBEY HIM, OR JUST SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LET DEMOCRATS FIX THE MESS BUSH MADE!
And if there’s one thing that can jump start an ailing economy, it’s FREE RUBBERS!
Think about it. You lost your job. They’ve foreclosed on your home. You have nothing left in your pockets but a couple bucks and a handful of condoms. So you go downtown and pick up a 2-dollar whore to help you forget your troubles. The hooker gives your money to her pimp, who uses it to buy some bling at the pawn shop. The pawnbroker spends his money on some more expensive hookers, who are freelancing to pay their tuition at Berkeley. Their Gender Studies professym makes a downpayment on a new hybrid car. The car dealership buys more hyrids from the manufacturer to meet the rising demand. Autoworkers get a little extra in their paychecks. Once you subtract taxes and union dues, they have just enough left to go downtown a pick up a 2-dollar whore. The cycle begins anew.
Trickle-down Reaganomics are a failed philosophy, as the current state of our economy has shown. Trickle-UP economics will be the way of our Brave New World, but it won’t work if Republicans don’t get over their hang-ups about sex.
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http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush
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third_martini_banter January 31, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

Did you make that up yoursef?
Purt damn funny, and true to boot!

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

Nice Marc. For most people, voting is just sports betting. They can’t stand to be on the losing side, so they don’t vote their as their conscience dictates. So change become impossible since the status quo is always the better bet. Needless to say, such people don’t deserve to vote.

Rhino January 31, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

I’ve read varying accounts from various sources that said that depending on the method used you get different outcomes. I don’t know how much to trust what I’ve read.
My question is how corrupt was the vote was in other states? Maybe Gore should have won by a much wider margin. Or maybe not. The facts are or may be out there. Or maybe the facts have been suppressed/destroyed.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

Yes Liberal Whites enjoy beating themselves up a bit, but it’s also a bonding mechanism, a tribal ritual among Liberal Whites. They don’t want to get beat up by Blacks or be replaced in favor of Blacks. Those delights they save for “other Whites”. You see the Old Jews had a ritual were they would put all their sins on a goat and then kill it or drive it out. Thus the scapegoat. And the joy Liberal Whites get from humiliating and destroying other Whites (outside the Tribe) is breath taking. These are their scape goats, their vicarious sacrafice to the gods. And if the Blacks attack, rape, or kill some of these lower Whites, well that’s just dandy too. They’re more than welcome since they are sacred and ordinary Whites are just animals to be sacraficed.
Political Correctness is a religion of Human Sacrafice.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

Why not just spell it Str8 as per your new identity? Str8 but not narrow? You and Rocky better have a girl fight about it.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

The old Southern viewpoint about Blacks was more or less correct.
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Blacks kill and rape at 7 to 8 times the rate of Whites.
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In the old South Whites killed Blacks at 70 to 80 times the rate of Whites. Blacks could be killed for looking at a White woman, or for being thought to use the wrong tone of voice. The judiciary was present among the executioners; it can’t be excused by calling it a lynch mob: it was official. Killing a slave meant being liable for the value of the slave, not the slave’s life.
Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

The historian Roger Lane, as reported in Scientific American, Oct. 2000, concludes that the extraordinarily high murder rate in the United States is a joint result of the cult of “honor” of the antebellum South and its use of lethal force to control slaves, and the frontier gun culture that has left a legacy of gun ownership. Indeed the current passion for gun ownership probably descends from a fear of slave revolt. Other societies with only one of these factors do not seem to have high murder rates.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

Unemployment in Albama is way down – the new anti illegal immigrant legislation is working wonders. That’s how to solve the unemployment problem – just make this legislation uniform through out the United States and the Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

So Blacks have the right to murder and rape Whites then? Because of Karma? No such thing as individual rights with Asoka – everything is class and race paybacks. Can everyone see how utterly alien this person is? How he doesn’t belong here and never did? And now realize that most Blacks think exactly as Asoka does and you have the problem in a nutshell.
What is to be done? Separate as Jefferson said, separate before the gene pool is ruined. Beyond the ocean was the best but we already screwed that up. Evidently the Secret Brotherhoods and Commercial interests were already too strong to continue the work of repatriation that Lincoln began.

Rhino January 31, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism. – Asoka
You say; “you” reap what “you” sow. Who exactly are you pointing the finger at when you say “you reap” and “you sow”.
Tell us upon whose head does retribution fall and on what basis?
Are you saying that it is simple justice ie a violent act committed against a white person today in payment for a violent act committed by another white person in the past?
You are indicating that when evil is done to an individual ie rape or murder – it is “karma” in action.
Correct?

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

So none of the lynched Blacks were guilty of the crimes of rape and murder attributed to them? I find that hard to believe considering the way Blacks behave now.
In the space of a hundred years, about 3000 Blacks were lynched – fewer than the number of Whites Blacks kill every year in America now.
Whites were lynched too, but that’s not talked about since that Truth would lessen the impact the “Educators” are trying to effect.
The very high levels of rape and murder are also in Black Africa where there are no Whites. It’s just what Blacks do. If there are Whites around, they will be targeted more though.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

Once again you set up a strawman. I never said that I thought that murder was OK as long as it was crackers being murdered. That is absurd.
I am consistently against murder. You have never seen me post in favor of murder.
And black vs white crime rates were not what you posted on. You posted on the immigration bill of 1965.
Blacks were already here. Would it be politically incorrect for me to point out how they got here?
Oooh, I don’t even have to ask. That is forbidden speech, and anyone who speaks it gets attacked by you and your kind.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

How the hell would I know? I’m a nurse in Illinois. How would I know what happened in New York and Washington, DC?
That’s why we’re supposed to have investigations. We have people who do investigations. That’s their job.
They weren’t allowed to do their job. I find that very suspicious, along with all the other suspicious things I’ve mentioned before.

ozone January 31, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

Ah, it must be Tuesday.
Didn’t take long for the patent bullshittery to mire the blog in the bog of irrelevancy, now did it?
Strange and sad, but it speaks the liturgy of the clusterfuck at the altar of narcissist america-the-befuddled-and-benighted.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

Only about half as many Whites were lynched as Blacks back then. Evidently Blacks weren’t as violent as they are now. Strong laws make people behave.
Btw, I’m not advocating this kind of vigilante justice: there must have been many innocent men, both Black and White, put to death by mistake. It started when Whites couldn’t get justice in the South under the Union occupation. And Blacks were being allowed to run rampant. So yes, the Whites took matters into their own hands -as was their right. Was it an optimum solution or situation? No, but it was better than what had been going on. It should have ended when the Occupation ended though. But it had gained momentum and a foot hold in rural Southern Culture. Yes people get corrupted by things like that – enjoy watching blood sports and executions.
I don’t presently but if my wife or daughter had been raped or murdered I’d want to be there and see it happen.

ozone January 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

Thanks for trying, Wage! ;o)
I really do respect that. No joke.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig.

Rhino January 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

Well, you seem to have pretty good idea as to what 9/11 is and what it isn’t so I thought I’d ask.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

Yeah, I liked it too. I copied it and put it on Facebook.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

Thanks, ozone.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

But you did say Whites were “mean” and that Blacks are taught to love them anyway – which is of course, just not true.
Hey since we brought Black here and we’re so mean and shit, can we just send them back? I mean they want to get away from us, right? Cuz we’re so mean.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

Sorry if I sounded rude.
I do have a pretty good idea what 9-11 isn’t. It isn’t what they’re telling us.
And I have an idea what it is. It’s a great excuse to invade and kill anybody they want to. Just like Obama blandly excusing the drone attacks by saying “we’re killing alQuada and hardly any innocent people get blown up”. Most people criticize him (and I agree with them) for saying that by pointing out that the families of the hundreds of innocent victims probably don’t brush their deaths off so easily.
But I also know that alQuada was not responsible for the massive production that was 9-11. Nor are they responsible for the management of perception that has gone on since then.
And now we have the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Homegrown Terrorism Act and the latest National Defense Act with the legalization of indefinite detention for US citizens forever.
ALL of it justified by the 9-11 tragedy.
The incredible farce of it all was so illustrated by the attack on Libya. This was the only outrage that hasn’t used alQuada since 9-11.
Why? Because they admittedly worked WITH alQuada members to destroy Libya!!!!
So how can how the destruction of civil liberties and the mass murders and the illegal invasions be justified when they turn around and openly ally with our supposed enemies in Libya?
Only in the United States of Fantasy can they get away with such outrages.

newworld January 31, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

The White Guilt Syndrome allows for power sharing, and all the cults of the Left practice anti-White rhetoric, like a bonding ritual.
But I don’t think it has much of a shelf life, we at BUGs have about neutralized “racist” and the whole anti-White movement.
Where America goes next after we whites figure out we no longer need fund the empire of equality is a darn good question and it is the only reason I read CF.

DeeJones January 31, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

“Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig.” Vlad
Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.
See, that works too. Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Geeez, you are the biggest asshole here. Oh, wait,you got your new little asskisser newworld.
Every week, you turn the discussion to your racist bullshit.
Well, Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.
Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
;[

lbendet January 31, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

Yeah Wage,
It’s a little like a gravitational pull. You may not have a picture of what happened, but when you “follow the money”, you get the idea.

greyghost05 January 31, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

Unless you’re a priest ?

mika. January 31, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

Michael Hudson: “In America and Europe, Crime has been Decriminalized” |
http://youtu.be/oJUr64yPztI
Bankster Capitalism leads to [Vatican controlled] debt peonage and [Vatican inspired] Dark Age Fascist Feudalism.

Rabblechat January 31, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

@capt. I cannot tell you who to vote for, but I will say you should vote your conscience.
Holding your nose and choosing the lesser of two evils is what perpetuates the broken two party system.
Vote Green party, Libertarian, write in Nader or Mickey mouse… But don’t lend your support to those who you know will do nothing more than support the status Quo.
As for third parties; In 2008 we only had a turn out of about 56% of the voting age population. I doubt it will be that high this time around as even die hard party hacks are having a hard time getting pumped up over another 4 years of O. and the republican field is anything but inspiring.
But even at 56% it would only take 19% or about 44 million votes to have a majority.

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

In the summer, I don’t use air conditioning and in the winter, we don’t use the heating much. So when we got a $200 bill, we called the gas company to see if we had a leak.
Some nice good ol’ boy just came out to check my gas line. Turns out that there was no leak. Someone had “estimated” how much I used and it was over by 500.
Anyway, we started talking and he told me about how he was raised on a farm with hogs, chickens and cows and how his family sold the butterfat to St Louis once a week, and that’s how they made their money to buy non-food items.
I said, well, it looks like we’ll be going back to that, and it was like I unstopped a faucet.
He started talking about Wall Street greed and fake money and pretty much what we talk about here.
A lot of people see what’s going on.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

“Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism.” -asoka.-
Wow. Just wow. Asoka. excuses all violence against whites, now and forevermore, since they deserve it due to karma.
Ozone, Vlad comes up with some negative and hate filled stuff – but never does he excuse pure random racial violence because of “karma.”
Hate on this blog is represented by asoka., everyone else is a minor player compared to him.
He speaks eloquently for “persons of color” who will NEVER be satisfied. And one reason that they will never be satisfied is that persons such as asoka., who should have the intelligence to know better – instead make excuses and fan the flames of hate.
Writ large across America – this is the tragedy of the black underclass, and this is why things are getting worse – or certainly not better.
(that, and lost employment opportunities for the black underclass due to immigration, of course)
Naturally, there’s a Fred for this:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/LondonRiots.shtml
“I am not being cruel. I am describing a condition, the normal, usual, unexceptional condition of Amreican blacks of the urban slums.
Of history, the kid knows only that blacks were enslaved by whites. He cannot approximate the dates of the Civil War (as neither, astoundingly, can many white “college graduates”) and cannot name a single country in Africa, but he knows that blacks were stolen from their homes and very badly treated.
He has in all likelihood never been out of Detroit, or perhaps his neighborhood. He has no contact with the larger society except through the police and television, where he sees whites leading glamorous lives in a wide world beyond his grasp. He would be very uncomfortable in a small town in white America, having less familiarity with the culture that would an American in a small town in Italy. Further, he speaks something so far from standard English that he would have difficulty talking to most whites.” -fred reed on everything-

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

“we at BUGs have about neutralized “racist” and the whole anti-White movement.”
-newworld-
What is “BUGs?”

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

Vlad – Unemployment is down in Georgia, also – since we passed a bill similar to Arizona and Alabama. And some ridiculously overcrowded trailer parks and apartment complexes around here and now back to normal occupancy levels.
I feel sorry for the illegals – most of them never would have taken the risk to enter the country if they had known the downside of it. I hope most of the illegals in Georgia have gone back home to Mexico and points south. I would have. Knowing human nature, though, many of them have likely gone to States and cities that have a reputation more as “sanctuaries,” even though “sanctuary” is an unsustainable concept, going forward forever in time.
So – not a bad post, Vlad, except for the concluding sentence that takes you into pointless hate and bigotry:
“Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from.” -vlad-
“Beaner.” “Criminals.” “Scurry.”
That’s visible hate and fear talking, Vlad.
Why do you do this?
It doesn’t help your case.

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

It’s not bullshit because the races aren’t equal. You can say it and believe it – fine. But trying to enforce it by Law? Penalizing Whites and putting coloreds ahead of them – that’s equal? And why don’t YOU have a problem with Asoka and his little ideas about “karma” and giving Blacks a permanent pass on everything? What the Hell is wrong with you – besides being a hate filled Liberal Dunce that is?

Widespreadpanic7 January 31, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

Asoka, a few nights ago I was talking with this Jamaican guy I work with in the pressroom. I told him about the good times I had there back in the 70’s during port calls. He told me its all changed. He said he’ll never go back; the violence is atrocious. He also said all the business I remembered — Reynolds Aluminum, the Sugar Plantations, boat building — are gone, scared off by Socialist Governments, murder, arson and sabotage. That’s why so many of them have emigrated here (and to England).
Also, the murder rate in South Africa is off the charts. Anybody who says the US leads the world in violent crime is full of sh-t.
–WSP7

Vlad Krandz January 31, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

They have wreaked utter carnage here. Have you no heart for the countless Whites kept of off work, the countless vitims of their drunk driving, all the raped little girls etc? Yes along with hard workers a gigantic brigade of criminals and gang bangers have come in too.
What’s the point? Human attention and compassion are limited resources. Why do you think the Jews covet the term “Holocaust” even though there have been far larger massacres? They want all the sympathy we have you see. So who gets the bulk of it? Why your own People, Prog, your own People. If you have any that is. Once we’re taken care of, you can drop a dollar in the box at church for the foreign missions.
Your favorite saying lately: Vlad comes up with some pretty hateful stuff. What do you mean “comes up with”? Like I imagined it? Sure Prog, just like all Founding Fathers who also imagined that Whites were special. Sheesh.
They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we’re unnecessary but I do get carried away. Ozone is a very bad character – PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood.
Many of these Black kids had no Father and have never been to a wedding and don’t know anyone who is married. But they’re perfect and we should copy their model. It’s happening. The Asoka’s wont stop until Blacks don’t have to work at all but all get a stipend just for being alive. And of course it will be very small by necessity so it wont satisfy them but only insult them.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

“What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?
You truly amaze me, Prog.
Vote for Ron Paul, for pete’s sake. Quit living in fear.” -wage, laboring-
Steady there, Wage. I was just presenting hypotheticals to get at the importance of something we Americans are told from birth is sacred – that being our ONE vote.
I’ll vote for Ron Paul, because Georgia is not a winner-take-all primary state. Hopefully Paul will pick up a delegate or two in Georgia – and he can do some good negotiating with these delegates.
And BHMarc makes a nice analogy – that voting is not a sporting event. You may be right, Marc, that some percentage of people look at voting that way – and want to back a “winner.” But I think (hope) there’s more to it than that for most folks.
Committed Republicans are getting to the point in this election cycle that they just want somebody who they think can BEAT OBAMA. That is ( coupled with ad spending) why Paul is falling behind and Newt/Mittens are having such a horse race right now.
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Because of the Electoral College, one vote for POTUS is rarely if ever important. Certainly not in Georgia, for certain – Mitt/Newt/Paul, or a dead guy with a R on his casket – any of these will get the winner-take-all Electoral College results in Georgia in the general election.
It’s a little deflating.
Plus, we almost never get to see any of those cool ads in the general election for POTUS.
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And if Nader had not been on the ballot in Florida, Gore would have been POTUS. We’ll never know if 9/11 would have happened – I’ve seen a case made that it would not have.
We would not have gone into Iraq (cause Gore’s daddy wasn’t threatened by Saddam) and we would not be quite as FUBARED by a Gore presidency as we were by two BushII terms.
The emphasis on Presidential politics, the two-party system, and the Electoral College system are going to make it impossible for a third party candidate to ever be anything more than a “spoiler.”
We may not like. But these are the facts.

Widespreadpanic7 January 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

“Ozone is a very bad character – PC incarnate” – Vlad.
You’re wrong Vlad. Ozone is a very good character, talented, funny and friendly. He’s also pretty competent in that he set a up pretty sweet life for himself and his wife in one the the best places on earth — Western Mass. As far as being PC, I don’t see it. Asoka is PC. I know O’s travelled quite a bit and is nobodies fool. Ozone is more of an anarchist, but an anarchist who would do no harm to anybody.
I’m out for awhile. Taking a trip to the Florida Keys. First leg of the journey: Amtrak from Old Saybrook, CT to Kissimmee, Fla.
–WSP7

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

Well, prog, I read your link. I found it pretty ridiculous.
Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don’t know any of them?
And I loved the part where he snootily opined that those dumb black kids couldn’t explain the exchange rate. Hey, Prog! Why don’t you go ahead and explain it.
And then he announces that blacks are violent, but whites aren’t and the very next statement is about militias in Idaho? Ready to kill?
You’re putting yourself in some pretty illiterate company, with newworld and juletta and all. Sure, you try to limit yourself to Vlad, but he hangs with the stupid people.
Small time looters are nothing compared to the big boys. Here’s a short clip of Max Keiser’s take on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BBw251Ymw
I hope that you watch it, prog, because you’re turning to the dark side. And first thing you know, you’re hunting with Cheney.

lbendet January 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

Wage,
And speaking of Keiser, go to Michael Hudson’s page today. There’s an interview with K: Hudson, Keiser on 2012 Imperialism January 29, 2012
and the top Padding Banksters pockets. Both well worth listening to
http://michael-hudson.com/

Hammering Truth January 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

Hi Jim, I’ve had enough too. I encourage everyone to Occupy Wall Street from a mailbox near you: http://youtu.be/qSo8TOzbIuY

Widespreadpanic7 January 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

I did notice you have a conservative streak in you, P2C. Its becoming more and more pronounced.
–WSP7

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

Um, you can speculate all you want, but after 3 years of a Democratic president, I would think that you would have learned something.
You are making unfounded assertions here. We don’t know if Bush would have been able to steal the election if Ralph Nader wasn’t on the ballot.
You can’t just assert that as fact.
We don’t know if 9-11 would have happened. I think it would have, because I think that the shadow government doesn’t give a hoot who’s in office.
We don’t know if Gore would have gone into Iraq. You can’t possibly think that the US invaded Iraq because George HW was supposedly threatened by Saddam! (And that is disputed, by the way)
But we do know that Clinton bombed Iraq and starved their children. We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia. We do know that Gore sabotaged the Kyoto negotiations. We do know that Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did. We do know that Obama has attacked people in multiple countries and killed them. We do know that Obama waged an illegal war against Libya.
So you have no logical basis for declaring that a Republican president would be so much worse.
So your fear mongering “spoiler” argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders.

Buck Stud January 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

Prog,
I read Asoka’s comments and I just don’t see him as an ‘apologist’ or as one condoning violence in the name of generalized retribution. I see his comment as more a statement of fact ,i.e., when a group of people are victimized their retributive response will also be of a general and not specific nature. In fact, that’s pretty much the strategy of all wars, generally demonize a large group of individuals so that killing them is more palatable and justified. I mean, you don’t really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny’s head just because he was Reginald Denny?
And surely you don’t believe rampaging U.S servicemen were grinding a personal ax against individual Mexicans back in the 1940s:
“Marching through the streets of downtown Los Angeles, a mob of several thousand soldiers, sailors, and civilians, proceeded to beat up every zoot suiter they could find. Pushing its way into the important motion picture theaters, the mob ordered the management to turn on the house lights and then ran up and down the aisles dragging Mexicans out of their seats. Streetcars were halted while Mexicans, and some Filipinos and Negroes, were jerked from their seats, pushed into the streets and beaten with a sadistic frenzy.”
It’s human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm #

“They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we’re unnecessary but I do get carried away.” -vlad-
OK, Vlad, good. That was my main point, besides complementing you on a good post otherwise.
“Ozone is a very bad character – PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood.”
-vlad-
Ozone admits to being a unique character – uber prepared for collapse tomorrow, and therefore completely unconcerned about immigration or racial issues. I can understand where he’s coming from, even though I think we’ve got a 20+/- year timeline to collapse, which means that immigration and racial issues will eventually matter a great deal.
Ozone hates you because this blog does go over to hateful racial tit-for-tat almost every single week – and he blames you for this.
I agree with you and JHK that racial issues will be an important part of TLE, whether it occurs in two months or in two decades.
I just wish you would lose the hate, fear, and bigotry – because you are undercutting your own case.
And hateful, fearful bigots – much like you often appear to be, Vlad – are similarly undercutting the case for immigration reduction out in the real world, apart from CFN, where non-hateful, non-fearful and non-bigoted people need to make this reduction happen.

Widespreadpanic7 January 31, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

P2C;
Welcome Aboard!
–SP7

jerry January 31, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

MAN, Jive Talk has been happenin’ for decades. Why are you so darn surprised now? Reagan began the Jive Talkin’ bull shit and it has continued.
Why are you so surprised? LilboyBush perfected it along with his Gollum- style side kick, Dick the Prick Cheney. Then there was Condo Rice-cake–“Mushroom Cloud”; Next came Colon Oww Powell with his nuclear tubes and yellow cake recipe for cupcakes. The list goes on and on.
We are stuck with self-serving plutocrats enjoying the free ride in Washington. All they have to do is just show up and they get a great benefit package and the secret handshakes.
So, do you actually believe that Mushbrain McCain and his Barbie Doll gone sour side kick would have been much better? Then again, what about Ging-grinch or Millard the Willard Romney? They have totally shown America just how full of bull shit they are with shopping carts filled with lies, and grandiose psychopathetic ideas.
What are you expecting?
The senior Floridian idiots in the GOP are lapping up their Kool-Aid powder packages after casting their Ging-grinch and Romeney votes.
http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

Thanks, lbendet. Sometimes I plagarize their clever phrases on my radio show.
Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

“Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don’t know any of them?”
-wage-
Wage, that “white guy in Mexico” was a news reporter in big cities in the States back when being a reporter meant something.
And if you don’t think the inner city black underclass is in bad shape – and getting slowly worse, then this conversation is pointless.
=================================
I may be going over to the dark side. I’ve seen some good Max Keiser stuff, but that link of yours just now could be summarized as, “It’s wrong to prosecute rioters, robbers, and looters who beat people on the streets of London, because – – – – well, because Bankers STEAL things.
It’s a non sequiteur.

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

1 in 3 or 4 Haitians are already here.
A friend in Miami says they have ruined Miami.
Africa is NUTS! So much violence. So much racism.
Vlad…can you post links to African atrocities?

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

Dee, you have degenerated into a flamer fanning the flame war here.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

“So your fear mongering “spoiler” argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders.” -wage-
Wage, I’m making a pure statement of fact.
Because of the two-party system and the Electoral College – a third party presidential candidate can never be anything more than a spoiler.
Your argument seems to boil down to an idea that if Jill Stein throws the election to Mitt Romney instead of Obama – that that’s OK because Romney and Obama are interchangable.
Disagree. One will be much worse.

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

‘From many accounts, illegal immigration has already slowed, with the collapse of the economy and real estate development’
MAYBE BUT
Do you have honest figs, not Govt or Corp media on:
how many anchors a year?
how many illegals? [40 million?]
how many kids immigrants have a year, etc?

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY WHATS THE ONE HOLIDAY NOT CELEBRATED?

wagelaborer January 31, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

No, the link pointed out that the really big looters go unpunished. Actually, they go rewarded. The petty thieves are harshly treated and imprisoned.
You can’t see this? You’re so wrapped up in your anti-immigrant and now, anti-ghetto teenager, that you can’t see that the raping of the public by the bankers, and the open lawlessness of the 1% leads to widespread disregard for the law?
Then maybe this conversation is pointless.
Marlin welcomed you to the dark side.
Bye, bye.

anti soak January 31, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

‘We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia.’
The largest post WW2 permanent base was set up there.
At least as of 10 years ago.

ctemple January 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

What do you call some of that stuff Dee Jones says on here, working for the Peace Corps?
Do you have to be a white separatist to be hateful?
The left sits on here and says they mean well and love everybody, it didn’t look that way to me.
They say they did nothing to the white working classes, it just all paranoia, how about forced integration at the end of a gun? How about affirmative action? How about quotas? How about block busting? Jimbo likes to talk about the destruction of big city life, well, this is one of the things that ruined it. How about turning the country of their youth into a banana republic through uncontrolled immigration.
How about gun control, it’s always the leftist big city douche bags that want it.
They act like these things never existed, and every working guy is nuts because they don’t worship at the teat of the liberal establishment.
Now, I don’t think the Republicans are any better, but for the left to say they did nothing to white working people makes about as much sense as the Republicans saying the rich shouldn’t have to pay taxes, they create jobs and stuff.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 7:59 pm #

“I mean, you don’t really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny’s head just because he was Reginald Denny?” -buckstud-
Reginald Denney was a completely innocent person at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase.
What iff Rodney King had just stopped his goddam’ car like he should have, and not run – then what?
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“It’s human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology.”
-buckstud-
So, buck, you are saying it never ends. Underclass blacks have a festering hatred of “American society,” which translates for too many of them as hatred of “white society.”
I’ve spent since 1964 working on helping white/black relations in the United States to improve. I went to desegregated schools. I sent my kids to desegregated schools. I’ve done everything I could for FORTY SEVEN YEARS –
And asoka spends every week telling me that it was not enough – that it will NEVER be enough.
I’m f*cking sick of it. And I’m sick of him.
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ozone January 31, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

“Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!” -Wage
Then we burn their giant, false-front, Potemkin villages to the fucking ground; never to rise again in the money-for-nothing Land of Make-Believe.
Goodbye, Mickey, you’ve served your commercial purpose; now be a good chap, and kindly die in the ditch.
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2V5YT#a=1

ozone January 31, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

Did someone attempt to provoke me?
Jump, froggie, jump.
Cooler (and thus, more rational) heads prevail for very good reasons.

ozone January 31, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

Thanks, WSP,
You give me far more credit and good character reference than I deserve. (Sometimes we make our own luck, other times, luck is luck alone.)
Hey, that sounds like a great ride! I’ll have to look into rail for further southern sojourns. (Always loved the train.)

ozone January 31, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

(Also meant to add that, mostly, I simply read the writing plastered on the wall in very large letters! ;o)

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

“Then maybe this conversation is pointless.
Marlin welcomed you to the dark side.”
-wage-
Wage, there is no “light side,” anymore in America.
You and Max Keiser excuse violent rioting and looting on the streets of London because – “bankers steal stuff, too.”
Wrong is wrong, sure. Evil is evil, sure.
But I’d rather be a victim of a white-collar crime –
Than be a victim of a violent crime.
Any thinking person should feel this way.
Though, I’d just as soon not be a victim of any crime.

DeeJones January 31, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

“I hope that you watch it, prog, because you’re turning to the dark side. And first thing you know, you’re hunting with Cheney.”
Say, if you do go hunting with ol’ Dicky, just remind him that safe hunting practices requires that he keep his gun aimed away from your face. He seems to forget this sometimes.
Oh, and don’t let him drink too much Wild Turkey either.
Just a little reminder for those Safe Hunters out there! have fun shooting defenseless little varmints.
😉
Oh, and antisoak, really, coming from YOU?!

metuselah January 31, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

Violence is counter-productive. What needs to done is to starve you thieves and murderers and stop allowing you access to our resources. But of-course, you thieves and murderers will invent any lie and excuse, create any false hologram and contrived theater, to allow you to continue to thieve and murder.
The rest of world is learning that you will never change. You will always be that which you have always been. Thieves and murderers and the worst kind of psychopaths. Eventually you will be completely shunned like the plague that you are. My advice to you is to find someone that will allow you to wash away your degenerate genes. Maybe if you start now, you will be saved when the inevitable arrives. I say this to you as a person of white completion, blond hair, and grey/green eyes. I say this to you because after leaning about the white race, that’s exactly what I intend to do.

metuselah January 31, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

What needs to ^be done..

Buck Stud January 31, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

“Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase.”
No, I was suggesting the opposite – that Denny was a victim simply because he was white. I believe that to be plain enough, based on the context of my entire post.And you completely remove my human nature comment out out of context in shining the spotlight back upon ‘underclass blacks with a festering hatred’ when retribution and vengeance is a universal human charateristic.
But thank you once again for reminding me why engaging in CFN dialougue is often a complete waste of time and energy when folks such as yourself would rather errect strawmen to flog instead of seeking to interpret the spirit of any given post.

MissusQuiche January 31, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male? – Vlad
Vlad, it’s somewhat comical that you are upset with me for adopting a female persona.
The last time I posted under my original handle was on 12/1/11. I had become disgusted with the immense content of bullshit on CFN that attempts to pass as profound thought.. and with my own colossal waste of time in contributing to the vast foul pile. If you feel this characterization is unfair I ask that you consider the writings and personality of Mika for whom the insult “Asshole” seems to have been invented.
Right in the middle of a week and without announcement, unlike Prog who feels he must advise us whenever he’s leaving his keyboard to take a dump (as if we care), I stopped posting. I wondered if I could quit completely and more importantly I wondered if I could stop reading the comments (though I never had any intention of giving up Jim’s essays themselves.. they are just too good). Well, it is much easier to not post than to not read, with the exception of Old69, of course, who I had much earlier blithely begun to scroll past, totally without regret or any feeling that I was being rude. But as the days and weeks rolled by it became very difficult to refrain when someone would say something so asinine that steam would come out of my ears. It didn’t even have to be something of substance. It could simply be a mixed metaphor like the beauty you (Vlad) wrote yesterday.. something about the sheep being ripe for the plucking. Whew!
I would read these things and the effort to restrain myself was almost unbearable. I started to think that rather than biting clear through my lower lip I would concoct another persona to carry out the replies rather than to further sully my former self. I would try to adopt an entirely different personality and even the whole look and manner of presentation. Thus MissusQuiche. And why not Missus if Tootsie can be Mrs Beasley? (Note that I couldn’t abandon my true self entirely and so the Q in quiche).
I could hardly believe I was actually pulling off this subterfuge until I went a bit too far, falling off the wagon into my customary OCD pedantic shtick, and was finally spotted by Asoka. As late as sometime yesterday though Azgog was still buying my Missus gender change with a flirtatious “saucy outfit” remark.
The false facade has been too much to bear so I will resume my picayune fault-finding under my original handle effective tomorrow.

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

“when retribution and vengeance is a universal human characteristic.”
-buckstud-
On that we can agree, buck.
I just don’t know why you, along with a couple of others on CFN consistently give asoka an excuse for his hate, or a pass on his hate.
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Methuselah seems to think he can reproduce with someone who is “non-white” enough that he can eliminate hate and vengeance-seeking from his gene pool, if I’m reading him right. Good luck with that one, Met – Buck Stud seems to think violence is in every human gene pool. I suspect he is correct.
Now, who we gonna’ call?

progress2conserve January 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

Well, I’ll be damned.
Believe it or not, Q, I’m glad you’re not dead.
And I never would have thought you would have adopted a female persona, either. That’s interesting.
Welcome back to the obsession. (Obsession?)

Dalriada January 31, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

Oh come on people and Jim! No voting options at all? Clearly Ron Paul is as close as we’re going to get to a self reliance option. He consistently preaches fiscal reponsibility and non-reliance upon the system to fulfill your needs. If that isn’t a form of self reliance, I don’t know what it is.
The choice comes down to this:
1) A vapid, socialist with an IQ problem and a proven record of either idiocy or complete incompetance.
2) A neoconservative oligarch Bush-clone warmonger whose face has been redone twice as many times as Michael Jackson.
3) A far right religious crackpot with temperature sensitivity issues, God’s wrath in his heart, and willfully ignorant denial of all things intellectual.
4) A brilliant, egotistical, theosophist autocrat (soon to be dictator) with more bruises than a peach in a garbage disposal.
or
5) A mild mannered constitutional libertarian with a penchant for paying real cash for purchases up front; who if nothing else at least won’t encumber you with a generational tax burden while simultaneously shackling your hands behind your back in a police state as you brace for the end of the world as we know it.
Sure he’s not the most screen worthy selection, but at least he is honest and you won’t have to worry about him shagging Palin our behind the woodshed while the house burns down. He’s spent 30 years bucking this corrupt system, largely to his own detriment. The choice seems clear…

Bustin J January 31, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

Ron Paul needs to win the Republican nomination. That is his goal. Falling short means either he goes independent, quits, or endorses Romney.

Bustin J January 31, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

MissBeastley saith, “To convert to NG costs about 1200.00. ”
Sure…
“Octane is 130 vs 93.”
In terms of real BTUs per unit energy you are stepping waay down. An equivalent amount of Methane will have around 23% of the gross energy of Gasoline. The “octane” is higher (that is, ‘effective’ octane- we’re not talking about a polymer alkane but a single molecule.) What this means is that more methane can theoretically be packed into the fixed volume of a combustion chamber.
So if you want 100% of the power in methane fuels in a regular engine, you can take advantage- if you’d like to increase the compression. How to do, how to do. Shave the block? The head? Custom pistons? Hardened valves/rings/springs? More compression means higher temps. Higher temps mean more wear or replacement parts.
Oh dear, your engine is being overhauled.
“Engines run much cleaner hence lower maintenance.”
The difference in cleanliness is true in that, there is no liquid fuel to drip/blow past rings, dissolve oil, corrode gaskets. However, methane is still corrosive in other ways. Consider all parts of fuel system, delivery system, and engine. Number of different compounds, metal, and finishes- which are affected? Which are not?
“There is over 6 million miles of NG lines in US. If one runs in front of your house, you could have a fill fitting installed in your garage. Existing gas stations could tap into lines running underneath their stations.”
Could, true. Factor cost of foolproof metering and dispensing. Installation.
Reality: Jimmy Joe Bob fiddles with his central heating equipment and blows his house up.
“Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all.”
NG is not typically a motor fuel. When using it in a car, you must first declare it when registering. Then, you must pay a fuel tax (depending on state). So factor that. If and when it is used as a road fuel, you can bet your ass that States will tax the shit out of it.
Even at parity with gasoline, methane remains marginal as a motor fuel. It requires a 3000 psi tank to contain. It detonates easily without spark in presence of oxygen. It is odorless, tasteless, and corrodes various things. It has less than a quarter of the amount of energy in unleaded gas. No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.
I’ll take a bow now, having a gaseous fuel vehicle myself, conversant in vapor fuel systems, auto engineering and chemistry, and leave it to you to discover why we’ll never run Natural gas as a consumer motor fuel in this country, and why no one will ever get a natural gas conversion.

Bustin J January 31, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

To be honest, what the world needs to do is leave methane in the ground where it belongs or in the very least, limit its points of access.
If you think methane is a safe, wonderful, cleen fuel of the future…
Do you know how much methane leaks into the atmosphere on a daily basis from home heating systems.
I will just leave this here:
http://tinyurl.com/6nvytf3

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.
BustinJ, you don’t know what you are talking about making a statement like that.
http://www.ngvglobal.com/hyundai-colombia-introduces-taxis-with-factory-installed-cng-kits-0501
There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of natural gas vehicles in operation in South America.
I regularly ride in them on my trips there.

Buck Stud January 31, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

“I just don’t know why you, along with a couple of others on CFN consistently give asoka an excuse for his hate, or a pass on his hate. ”
I’m not giving him a pass; I am simply interpreting Asoka’s claims regarding “Karma” as more like inevitable outcome…an eye for an eye dynamic.
Having said that, I have noticed a certain linear quality in Asoka’s karma comments. As if old racial scores settled somehow terminate at a point he might term justified retribution. Of course, it doesn’t work that way because not every innocent victim is willing to sell himself out as a politically correct clown willing to forgive two animalistic pieces of trash who just put a brick through your skull. I would never forgive that…ever.

asoka. January 31, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

I would never forgive that…ever.
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Nor would I. Never, ever, would I forgive that.
Violence is barbarian. Violence is inexcusable. There is no justification for the use of violence. Violence is abhorrent. Under no circumstances do I justify violence. I condemn violence in no uncertain terms. I have said this 500 times on CFN and I will continue to state that nonviolence is the way.
Having said that, I understand why violence happens. As Buck Stud says, there are many who still believe in an eye for an eye. The CIA calls it blowback. I call it karma.
The victims are usually innocent, completely unrelated to the original offense, which may have taken place years or decades earlier.
But the innocent end up paying for it anyway, because some people are not able to break the vicious cycle:
violence – anger – desire for revenge – violence
more anger – more desire for revenge, more violence etc.
At some point someone has to say STOP, NO MORE VIOLENCE. I am that person. I am a pacifist.
The rest of you will continue to justify violence, will continue to find excuses to continue to exercise violence … “self-defense” being a favorite.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 12:04 am #

asoka said “No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.
BustinJ, you don’t know what you are talking about making a statement like that.”
Really? Since you are asking, I’ll describe the circumference of the problem: over 99% of the vehicles in the world don’t run, can’t run and will never run methane as a motor fuel.
“yundai-colombia-introduces-taxis-with-factory-installed-cng-kits-0501”
-This news piece is typical of the drivel one sees in the MSM. It “bubbles up” around the concept “alternative fuel” and all sorts of enthusiasts get enthused hearing about what fleet contract was signed, what irrelevant market(ing) prototype was trotted out (looking good on the dealers lot)
Hey- anyone want a ride? I go half as far for just as much, if not more…. But heyyyy- “alternative fuels, man”…
“There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of natural gas vehicles in operation in South America.”
True. There are definitely not “millions”.
“I regularly ride in them on my trips there.”
Yes, the vast majority of conversions are fleets of public, government and military transport.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 12:09 am #

True. There are definitely not “millions”.
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Colombia alone has 300,000 natural gas vehicles in service right now. And Colombia is not as big as Brazil.
How many countries in South America? You do the math. I’m pretty sure it comes to millions (plural).

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 12:24 am #

There are definitely not “millions”.
More proof you don’t know what you are talking about, BustinJ.

Natural gas vehicles are increasingly used in the Asia-Pacific region … with 5.7 million NGVs, followed by Latin America with almost 4 million vehicles.

Just as I suspected… MILLIONS.
You just don’t get it. CNG is not an “alternative fuel” in Asia and South America. It IS the fuel for millions of vehicles.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 12:27 am #

asoka, “Violence is barbarian. Violence is inexcusable. There is no justification for the use of violence. Violence is abhorrent. Under no circumstances do I justify violence. I condemn violence in no uncertain terms. I have said this 500 times on CFN and I will continue to state that nonviolence is the way.”
The way to what? Your wife raped, beaten, killed? Your sons or daughters? How about people you don’t know. What about those that squish daises that cannot have empathy for daises? Should they not themselves be squarshed?
You’ve squirreled yourself away in a protective cocoon, your mud hut building is a pantomime of the paper wasp hive mind: you are an invasive species in an alien land.
You can’t help but hurt those people with your latent Americanism. You’ll tell them everything is fine- just convert vehicles to natural gas.
You’ll tell them there’s no fuel problem, no food problem, no environment problem.
Come back, back to the mistake that made you, back to the bosom of America where shit is hard and people are dangerous.
Here we will forge a new confusion, we will make you king of the Wild Things…
But seriously, doesn’t everyone know what a troll you are?

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 12:31 am #

I present facts. Hard numbers. You cannot refute them.
So what do you do? Put words in my mouth, present false statements, and then resort to ad hominem, calling me a troll. I’m through with you, BustinJ.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:19 am #

Oh when did you first come back? I guess I was just oblivious to you until your all out attack on me in your usual pedantic way. In any case, I’m happy that my post was the woolen feather that tipped the scale.
But yes somehow the extreme pedantry combined with your abrupt and overwhelming manifestation combined with your new name and produced a most annoyed reaction in me.
I’ve eaten quiche before: it was alright but I don’t like the texture or the appearance. So your Missus Quiche is translated in my mind to Miss Piggy. Also Asoka had written some beatiful meditations about his own death and how he would be with you soon. All of that is now ruined.
I’ll deal with it I guess since I’m sure you wont change this disgusting handle just to please me. I’ll just try and think of you as Q – the strange, pedantic but powerful alien from Star Trek 2.

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 1:57 am #

‘But seriously, doesn’t everyone know what a troll you are?’
Who is ‘everyone’?
Sorry I’m almost doubled over laughing at yr riposte to Lord Asokanath.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:00 am #

We’re being genocided and you chide for feeling fear and hatred. Reginald Denny forgave his subhuman assailants as did the Court. One of them went on to murder.
There’s nothing wrong with me – it’s you softies that are the problem and always have been. Because you typically have alot of hate – but instead of having xenophobia you have xenophillia and end up hating your own people. Xenophobia is natural but xenophillia is crazy when taken as an offical social policy which punishes those who disagree and encourage people to hate them.

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 2:01 am #

Perhaps W sees something of the French Revolution in the Muslims [Blacks?] looting in Eurabia,
looting any store except book stores.
Question: WHATS THE ONE THING GIVEN FREELY BLACKS DONT TAKE OR LIKE?
Answer: EDUCATION.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:19 am #

Look how he gets on with Wage: Anarchists seem to usually march with Communists so I can be forgiven for seeing him as PC. The real question is why they do it. What possible connection can anarchism have with State Dominance and Collectivism? They get purged in the end – an that means right after the Revolution.

xfinpnnhn February 1, 2012 at 4:47 am #

If I could dream of coming up with a sea
want to use my thoughts of you build a boat
then my tears into an oar
slowly as the waves roll to your port
my love for you is always impossible to use the language of confession
my heart was weak quietly buried
I hope I can put into your warm embrace
never separate the

Tark February 1, 2012 at 4:51 am #

Every time I read this site the comments section always has the same group of weirdos, pseudo-intellectuals, and fringe kooks.
It’s too bad because there is a lot of truth in what you write. Except that at times you get a little out there and attract the types that you do because of that. You rail at ‘ordinary’ people but most of them would be turned off by the people who comment here.

bshirt February 1, 2012 at 6:20 am #

That most certainly is a damn good question. It’s also a question that will start being answered soon.
At some point, my guess is that Atlas indeed will shrug.
The current free welfare checks for every mail box scenario will certainly vanish very soon one way or the other. When that happens, the ball will start rolling downhill. The liberals can whine, sob, cry and moan until the Missouri river overflows but nothing will stop it.
I think it’s gonna be a wild ride.

Tark February 1, 2012 at 6:43 am #

One of the very few sane on target comments with which I can agree.
Maybe it will last….

tegmark February 1, 2012 at 6:49 am #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939&start=25
Is Reality Physics – Mathematics ?
The unreasonable precision with which mathematics describes reality has always puzzled physicists. The reason is most likely because the reality described is not really a reality and is much more so a Technology: an invention, mostly a machine, as most of those equations and interactions and experiments and laws have been furnished by how machines and devices interact with some kind of detached reality, a reality that is in essence pretty far away from nature, if with nature you mean the pure random blind forces operating under nature like inside stars (plasmas), the forces modeling the earth (earthquakes, mountain formation), the weather and most of the random natural events that occur like ocean waves and their exact form and design (can you predict them with mathematical precision ?). Of course we know and can apply mathematics to all of such, we know the general forces and such, but the precision is no longer “unreasonable”.
So what scientists do is confuse technology with nature, confuse a mathematical model and description and design of technological machines with nature, as if the technology is nature: but it is not so, technology is a very specifically configured slab of matter that closely follows and abides to mental, linguistic and especially mathematical models: what came first the technological machine and interaction or the mental mathematical model ? Mostly the other way around, the mental mathematical models influenced what kinds of contraptions we would design according to clear cut needs and functions according to how we interact with reality.
SO in essence, there is no “unreasonable precision” of mathematics to reality, but only a mostly reasonable precision of mathematics to machines that interact with reality and confuses us into thinking that they are reality. Like a particle accelerator: are they simply studying an engineered device or really studying the laws of physics ?
Matter is set up so as to express mathematical relationships, so as to emphasize mathematical relationships. Our mathematical models are more than anything mostly machines, mental models of machines that are providing us a function and as such easily lend themselves to models and especially mathematical models. Since the functions and operations the machines must provide have been defined and created within a mental model of reality through language, they already, from the outset have properties that imply models and eventually mathematical, precision models, models where you can apply equations and predictions and perfect them accordingly, but because the function is clearly defined and clearly delimited by language and the model and then mathematical models further delimit and perfect them: and then machines are designed and constructed and experimented within a very controlled and predictable environment, no free wills opposing their forces to what the machines must do, no random forces and quirk details messing up models like what happens in most of real natural systems and not modelized and forced systems carving their function out of reality, by force.

tegmark February 1, 2012 at 8:05 am #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939&start=25
At what point does a technology become a science ? at what point do we confuse a technology with science ? When did computer become “Computer Science” so to say, and is it a Natural Science ? If so then why isn’t the game of Chess also simply a Natural Science ? and then why not Soccer or American Football a science ? a real science ? In this respect, we are not the “View from Nowhere” that science supposes it has, we are always the view from somewhere, from someplace, from some cultural or experience reference system, from some language construct, thought construct and memory organization of knowledge implied by a culture, civilization, tribe.
The discrepancies: the three body problem has no analytical solution (no precise solution in mathematical terms), the differential equations describing mathematical physics have very rarely precise, closed form analytical solutions, initial conditions must be imposed but are always iffy, random, not sure and not precise, non linearities abound, chaotic systems discovered, the butterfly effect ? and mostly look around you, can you give me the equation and precise solution that determined a given design of a given mountain ? can you precisely predict the exact shape of the next waveform of an ocean wave ? can you tell me exactly where the next raindrop will fall ? (but then again nature operates by simply yes and no and some intermediate state, it doesn’t need precision, it doesn’t care about precision, nature is very approximate, likes to make rough approximations like it will rain today or it will not, it doesn’t even know or have within itself the precise capability to know, care or even imagine where the exact next raindrop will fall, it knows it only after the fact, nay, not even after the fact, not even history is true, nay, it doesn’t and will never know, nothing will ever know, not even knowing itself knows…). These are all the walls of the reference system science is boxed up in, its perfect mathematical viewpoint breaks down as soon as you exit its reference system: in that case only the interaction and measurement and observation gives you some information, but information that rarely can be built upon to create a prediction as in : Thought is the Sickness, Measurements and Observations are the Cure.
When I saw the first pictures of the neural circuits in brains, I was amazed by how random, chaotic and non sensical it seemed, since I was used to digital electronics and Microprocessor Schematics. Now, I know that reality has no sense or logic, only that which we impose upon it by our thought, logic and our own schematics.
So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don’t notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imaged up to now…
TOBOR THE 8 MAN

tegmark February 1, 2012 at 8:07 am #

So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don’t notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imagined up to now…

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 9:01 am #

“We’re being genocided and you chide for feeling fear and hatred.” -vlad-
No, Vlad, I chide you for showing that fear in your posts. And I admonish you for making making racial disrespect a leading idea in too many of your posts on CFN. It is counterproductive.

insufferable February 1, 2012 at 9:18 am #

Jim,
Very good, very true, very enlightening….now what? The very fact that you write a blog each week, with various thoughts about the state of world and national affairs, gives me some hope. The Europeans, with their jaded outlook on politics, leaves them unable to look critically at themselves and make some changes. They accept their lot and just complain. I feel as though Americans, are still willing to believe. Believe in something greater than themselves. Your advice, and criticisms galvanize your readership to at least answer you and give their view. That is hopeful. Only when you accept the status quo are you doomed.
We all have to keep critizing and creating a new reality. It take lots of work such as brainstorming and intelligence with a great amount of bravery to MAKE IT HAPPEN. If that means tearing down a corrupt system to rebuild a sense of what America was,,,,,then so be it.

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 9:27 am #

“What do you call some of that stuff Dee Jones says on here, working for the Peace Corps?
Do you have to be a white separatist to be hateful?” -calebT-
Dee floats around like a butterfly, occasionally leaving little pollen grains of hate in her wake.
Vlad, on the other hand, is an artillery shell of hate. His verbal explosions make other posters stop thinking altogether – as they dive into their customary defensive positions.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 9:50 am #

Methuselah seems to think he can reproduce with someone who is “non-white” enough that he can eliminate hate and vengeance-seeking from his gene pool
==
No, I have no problem with hate and vengeance. Quite the contrary, I believe this to be a natural condition and healthy reaction to you lying thieving murderous scum. Of-course, one can always count on you lying thieving murderous scum to deliberately misinterpret, deliberately lie and make false assertions, because that’s how you are wired to operate. You can’t help it.
What I said, is what I said many times before. I will have nothing to do with you white blue-eyed devil dogs, you lying thieving murderers. I don’t want to have any resemblance to you, even if it’s just a superficial physical resemblance. My reaction to you will not be unique. I’m just a little bit ahead of the curve. You disgusting scum will be vomited out existence by the rest of the world.

San Jose Mom 51 February 1, 2012 at 9:56 am #

I’m glad you’re back “Q”uiche! You are among the seven posters that I value.

8man February 1, 2012 at 10:00 am #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178053
“Aztecs were bad-ass.
When they were born, the first thing they heard was “you were brought into this world to suffer.”
The luckiest of the lucky got to be taken prisoner in a battle and brutally sacrificed in front of a whole city. Seriously, this was considered the greatest possible honor.”
More than death cults, pain cults ? or emotional sensation cults ? a primitive way to investigate new emotions or sensations (just like our Drugs LSD or whatever, when what we want is to change our neural system), or the fascination with extreme situations pains/emotions ?
Asymmetry of Information ? some more know than others, some have the power to decide, the fascination with death and pain and the independence of the decisions ? but if we are all equal no fun, the game is inequality of information or decisions ? groups that are equal but only up to a certain point ? but then each individual must thrive to distinguish himself, to know something unknown (secret knowledge (no one else knows, as in against others)) ? not all equal…

8man February 1, 2012 at 10:01 am #

Asymmetry of Information ? some know more than others, some have the power to decide, the fascination with death and pain and the independence of the decisions ? but if we are all equal no fun, the game is inequality of information or decisions ? groups that are equal but only up to a certain point ? but then each individual must thrive to distinguish himself, to know something unknown (secret knowledge (no one else knows, as in against others)) ? not all equal…

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 10:05 am #

“I will have nothing to do with you white blue-eyed devil dogs, you lying thieving murderers. I don’t want to have any resemblance to you, even if it’s just a superficial physical resemblance.” -met-
Didn’t you say last night that you had blond hair, white skin, and grey/green eyes, Met? So, what are you talking about, if you’re not just talking about reproducing with someone who will make your children look different?
Are you considering cosmetic surgery, hair transplants, and skin darkening treatments for yourself?
You know that won’t change your underlying genetics, right?
Please explain.

Qshtik February 1, 2012 at 10:19 am #

This link relates to last night’s dust-up re the use of Nat Gas in cars and trucks. It is written from a stock market perspective.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/328482-a-paired-trade-for-the-natural-gas-vehicle-boom?source=email_the_daily_dispatch&ifp=0

greyghost05 February 1, 2012 at 10:21 am #

No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.
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This is totaly false. Honda makes a version of their Civic that runs on natural gas. The NAVCOM feature shows NatGas filling stations nationwide. And if you have natgas at home you can fill it by purchasing a kit to put at home for this porpouse. Also Toledo Ohio has been running some of it’s bus fleet on nat gas for decades. It’s really not that hard to convert over to either natgas or propane. I have a buddy of mine who converted his F-150 pick up to propane. The mileage isn’t all that great but it polutes a whole lot less. With the cost fluctuations in the price of both gasoline and propane out in the Toledo market it’s not always the most cost effective option. Especially when you’re buying 250 gallons at a fillup. A lot of fork trucks used in factories also run on propane or huge ass batteries.

greyghost05 February 1, 2012 at 10:29 am #

Ok Alex, that would be ….. What is Fathers Day ?
; )

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 10:35 am #

Didn’t you say last night that you had blond hair, white skin, and grey/green eyes, Met?
==
I did. I also said that this superficial resemblance will not persist in my progeny. But you already know all this. You just continue to deliberately “misunderstand”, lie and misrepresent, because that’s what you do. You can’t help it. It’s wired in your genetic code.

greyghost05 February 1, 2012 at 10:46 am #

Forgot to mention that Holden (GM of Australia) also maked cgn engines available on many of their auto’s.

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 11:28 am #

But I also know that alQuada was not responsible for the massive production that was 9-11. – WL
I heard Arabs say something to the effect that Arabs couldn’t have pulled this off because Arabs are late for everything. Would’ve missed the flights. I’m sure they were joking.
Do you think that Arabs or Muslims don’t have the intellect or the will?
See the main thing is this one issue: what would motivate young men to sacrifice their own lives? What was their cause? This is nothing new. Young men have sacrificed their own lives for causes all through history. But they don’t generally just do it for the hell of it. So there must have been a compelling reason. Once you’ve figured that out then you have the keys to the rest of it ie how it happened and why.
You seem to think that the US was behind it all, that what happened on 9/11 would serve as a justification for more war making etc. So the question is this: was it really young Arab men that hijacked those planes? Or was it Americans that hijacked those planes? If it was Americans then what was their cause? What of their own families and friends and associates? Would they have stayed quiet all this time?

Vlad Kramps February 1, 2012 at 11:39 am #

So if Q still is alive, who was that sad old sack I killed in New Brunswick, New Jersey? Jesus, next thing you know Myrtle will pop up, indicating that I’ve twice killed the wrong bitch!

Vlad Kramps February 1, 2012 at 11:43 am #

So long as the Little Debbie snack cakes keep getting delivered to the Circle K convenience store in my hood, all will be well in my world. I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts when I was ten. For eating a Brownie.

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 11:52 am #

Well done.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 11:58 am #

Al-Qaeda is just another CIA front group. They are funded by the CIA, they are controlled by the CIA, they work for the CIA. They do the CIA’s bidding while the CIA can claim deniability.
The 9/11 perpetrators were trained in florida, on US military air bases. They were given clearance for such at the highest levels. Investigative journalist Russ Baker investigated this, and I believe he is telling the truth.

wagelaborer February 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

“I’ve spent since 1964 working on helping white/black relations in the United States to improve. I went to desegregated schools. I sent my kids to desegregated schools. I’ve done everything I could for FORTY SEVEN YEARS –
And asoka spends every week telling me that it was not enough – that it will NEVER be enough.
I’m f*cking sick of it. And I’m sick of him.”
That there is priceless! You’ve done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that’s a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much.
That reminds me of a patient I had once, who was complaining that her boyfriend wouldn’t have sex with her. As she plaintively said “I changed my diaper and everything”. That caused great hilarity in the ER, since most of us have different foreplay practices. But she thought that it was significant.
As I’ve pointed out before, the US struts around bragging that we fought a war to end slavery, and the rest of the world shrugs and says, “We just passed a law making it illegal”.
And your half of the US, of course, fought FOR slavery, not against it. A fact that’s never mentioned because it’s politically incorrect on the right.
If the cops chased Rodney King on a high speed chase, then they were breaking the law. It is illegal to have high speed chases in California because innocent bystanders are frequently killed.
Looting is not a violent crime, whether done by bankers or ordinary citizens. It is a property crime. So your preference is irrelevant.

wagelaborer February 1, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

Oooh, Rhino, playing the racism card!
So it’s racist to suggest that Arabs were not responsible for the 9-11 attacks?
Pitiful.

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

So young Arab men sacrificed their lives because … I’m confused … because the CIA told them to?

wagelaborer February 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

The part you’re hung up upon is that you believe that young Arab men sacrificed their lives, for whatever reason.
When the airlines released their manifests, there were no Arab names on them.
There is no footage from the airports that the flights originated from of Arabs getting on the planes.
You don’t have to figure out why they did it. They didn’t do it.

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

You didn’t answer my question: Do you think that Arabs don’t have the intellect or the will to pull off a 9/11? Is it only Americans that have it in them?
You didn’t answer my question as to motivation: what would motivate young men to sacrifice their own lives?

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

A group sacrificed their lives on 9/11.
Why? To help American defence contractors make money?
Gotta do better Wage.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

So young Arab men sacrificed their lives because … I’m confused … because the CIA told them to?
==
In a way, yes. They are CIA assets. They are selected, trained, and empowered to act, because they have the psychological profile to carry out their mission for the CIA. This is exactly what they did with Hitler and Stalin and the rest of them. They empowered these people because their psychological profile made them amenable and predictable for the purpose for which they were empowered to act. Back then it was not officially called the CIA, but the same Vatican Controllers that control the CIA also controlled the OSS and the other secret men and organizations prior.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

Also, let me be clear. What Russ Baker has found out is that people having the exact names as those that the US government claims were responsible for 9/11, were trained by the US military on US military bases, and that these people were not amateur pilots but professional pilots. In fact, they had multiple pilot licenses from multiple countries and worked as professional pilots.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

Metuselah, thank you for explaining it in plain English for Rhino.
You see, Rhino is always looking for “hidden agendas” (that’s what his father taught him to do) and, now that you have exposed the USA imperialist hidden agenda, Rhino says he is “confused” and appears incredulous. His father would be disappointed.

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

Um… the official “agenda” and storyline looks more coherent than the stuff I’ve seen this morning with one theorist that apparently has no idea who sacrificed their own lives on 9/11 and why they did it. Another theory has it that the Vatican is behind it.
So do you have experience in comedy?
Your turn to make me laugh.
Go ahead.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

Get in now? You chided Met the other week for having more hate than me. Where did you ever get the idea that the rest of the world has trouble with hatred – especially the Jews? Met is right: the Creator gave us these emotions for a reason. Real men feel fear and hatred but aren’t paralyzed or stuck in them. Your response to Met and Me speaks volumes about where You’re stuck: someplace between the old brittle macho masculinity where men don’t have any fear and a Southern revisionist gentility where negative emotions are “unseemly” and frowned upon by the good people. But more in the latter.
Well fuck all that. That’s over with and good riddance. That kind of bullshit culture whether Southern or its Northern Yankee version has brought up to the brink of catastrophe. The good people are supposed to feel compassion for the “other” and so no fear or anger could be expressed at them coming in vast numbers across our borders. And they weren’t hurting the good people – only the White Trash who deserve to be hurt, right? I mean the Good People never understood and overcame their negative emotions – they just transfered them onto a different hate object – their own People in a the other Party or in a different Class. And that my friend was and is Despicable.
Dee as a butterfly leaving tiny pieces of shit? More like a seagull with raucous cries and dumping huge loads of shit everywhere. More Southern gentility: the cult of the gentleman who worships the Women. Oh and your response to me when I brought up the torture of men by Feminism was EXACTLY the same as the Middle Class’s response to immigration for decades: don’t know and don’t want to know. Good people don’t get tortured or laid off. If they do, they must have deserved it.
How about some new Ideals to replace all this crap? How about Vigilance? How about listening to the poor man of your own Race? How about taking your brother’s pain as your own? How about not projecting all the good onto coloreds and all the bad onto Whites? Or all the good onto Women and the bad onto Men?
We’ll know we’re back when men can fight again and not get locked up. And dueling should be allowed back to: it would help keep assholes in check if they knew that there is a limit they can’t safely cross. I’m not saying it should be taken lightly: it would have to be a mutual agreement not just someone gunning down someone else. But a big mouth who wasn’t willing to put up would be humiliated in a way they just aren’t nowadays. I don’t want a return to the violent wild west but rather a civil society in the real sense: an armed society is a polite one. And good policemen would welcome all this.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

John C Calhoun was right: you people wont be satisfied until Whites are slaves and Black their Masters. We don’t owe these people anything. That debt is paid. But since they will never see it that way and can’t compete with us on a level playing field, we must needs separate as Lincoln and Jefferson advised.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

While I admire socially-committed Black comedians like Dick Gregory (he can explain 9/11 to you), I am not a comedian.
What we are discussing on CFN is deadly serious.
If I were to make you laugh, you would then have to hunt for the hidden agenda: what is Asoka up to, trying to make me laugh?
I’m not playing your games.
Millions of lives are on the line. Europe could crash next week and our economy would soon follow.
Iran could be attacked next week. And we could be engulfed in WWIII.
NASA just issued a report that conclusively establishes climate change is not sun-related, climate change is human-caused.
The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth.
And you are asking if I have experience in comedy?
Get real… our days are numbered. We are so fucked!

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

And the Arab insurgents were closely monitored by Mossad who chose not to tell us about the coming attack. Some of these “middle eastern gentlemen of Jewish extraction” were found drinking champagne and celebrating on a near by roof top.
It’s quite possible that parts of our Goverment did know as well.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

When will these White Motherfuckers realize that Blacks invented everything – including them? Sun Ra and Calypso Louie are proud of you. As Louie said, these Jews wont let me talk to Barack anymore.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

CORRECTION
The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth, according to ProCon (he’s the comedian)

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

When will these White Motherfuckers realize that Blacks invented everything – including them?

Preach, brother Vlad!
Whites, like every other race, did originate in Mother Africa.
The origin of all races is Mother Africa, and we all migrated from there and changed into the distinct racial groups.
However, the modern world and interracial marriage/breeding is gonna take care of that. Africa is our history. Africa is our future.
Miscegenation rules! (and changes genetics)

Rhino February 1, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

You’re right, keep your day job, you’re no comedian.
What did you say you were doing? Building mud huts or something?
But you haven’t yet explained to us about how the interests of Hispanic speakers from south of the Rio Grande supercedes the interests of Amerindians whose ancestors have been in the southwest US for more than 10,000 years. You know …La Reconquista.
Or as Metuselah helpfully put it, the Spanish imperialist fucks were no better…
Also we need to explore one further issue: that if La Reconquista is justified on the basis of “simple justice” as you put it is the reclaiming of Israel by Jews similarly justifed on the basis of this “simple justice”.
Metuselah is sitting there bug eyed waiting for your response. So am I.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

But you haven’t yet explained to us about how the interests of Hispanic speakers from south of the Rio Grande supercedes the interests of Amerindians whose ancestors have been in the southwest US for more than 10,000 years. You know …La Reconquista.

I did explain it. And, as I recall, your response was ROTFL. The so-called “Mexicans” ARE the indigenous peoples of the region on both sides of the river, before the river was turned into a false boundary line by the Whites. You are making an artificial distinction between Amerindians and “hispanic speakers”
Maybe you should read up on this subject:
Codex Tamuanchan: On Becoming Human (1998) by R. Rodríguez
The X in La Raza II (1996) by R. Rodríguez
Let Their Spirits Dance (2003) by S. Pope Duarte
Rethinking Columbus: The Next 500 Years (1998) by B. Bigelow and B. Peterson
The Latino Condition: A Critical Reader (1998) by R. Delgado and J. Stefancic
Occupied America: A History of Chicanos (2004) by R. Acuña
VIVA LA RECONQUISTA!

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

I have no doubt but that I am one of the Seven Samurai too.

ctemple February 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

Have you ever noticed how tolerant the ‘progressives’ aren’t when someone questions their dogma? They usually resort to personal attacks and fourth rate psychoanalysis.
I would say the left has had this undertone of borderline fascism since at least the days of Abbie Hoffman.
That’s what ‘political correctness’ is, basically left wing speech codes put in place by borderline fascists. They couldn’t care less about free speech, and tolerance is you be tolerant of them, or one of their designated sacred cows, they don’t have to be tolerant of anything they don’t like. And, they can say anything that comes into their Goddamn heads about somebody else.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

Right. Just keep talkin’ sucka. That’s all it takes. Whites are a mistake. There ya go folks. Step right up folks – see the purple colored Black jive turkey. You are one of the 5 I will see in heaven. SJ’s 7 are going to kidnap her and hold her in a purgatory of sorts.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

VIVA LA RECONQUISTA!
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No, that term applies to the French/Spanish Vatican forces who took over from the Vatican Muslims, after the Vatican Muslims eliminated the Visigoth tribes in the Iberian (Hebrew) peninsula that fought and rejected Rome/Vatican.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

I once picked up a slender volume of Lenin. In a brief paragraph he gave away the whole story. In my own word: Villify your opponent completely and constantly. Do not grant them the slightest saving virtue or even an iota of humanity. They are to be portrayed as complete and utter scum.
It was worth the two or three dollars I paid for it. That is the attitude the American Left adopted. And as the Liberals moved leftward they picked it up as well. They ruined the political climate in this country. And after decades of this kind of slander, now we respond in kind – and they are amazed, stunned, outraged. In other words, they are without any self knowledge at all. They accused the right almost as Gabby Giffords head hit the pavement. It’s frightening -as was the ADL’s Missouri Report to Homeland Security – T Party, NRA, Fiscal Conservatives – all terrorists basically.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

Vatican Muslims. There ya go folks. Step right up and we’ll put the blonde Jew in with the purple Black and see what happens.
Fact (just in case anyone cares): The Muslims and the Jews conquered the Iberian (Hebrew!?) Peninsula together. The Muslims would take a town and then leave a Jewish Garrison to hold and administer it. Thus the Crusaders believed correctly that they were fighting the Muslims and the Jews in the Reconquista. Unwisely but true to Church policy, they allowed the Jews to stay after the Conquest. And of course they lived to regret that as the Jews plotted constantly against them.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

More proof you don’t know what you are talking about, BustinJ.
Natural gas vehicles are increasingly used in the Asia-Pacific region … with 5.7 million NGVs, followed by Latin America with almost 4 million vehicles.
Just as I suspected… MILLIONS.
“You just don’t get it. CNG is not an “alternative fuel” in Asia and South America. It IS the fuel for millions of vehicles.”
Sure, as a marginal alternative. What is controversial about that?
Here is the situation with CNG: there are a few marginal players, manufacturers, and suppliers who are building out the very last, very short thread of the industrial project, trying to capture for themselves a slice of the fossil fuels pie.
Because, after all, fossil fuels are money in chemical form. A well-head, methane capture regime, and any number of other point sources must be tapped and burned- to create a profit. Otherwise, they must be flared off.
Situation: Govt goes to pig farm, says, “Pig Farmer, you have methane problem, our in-bed associates in industry will install the collection system and a pipe.”
In the first world, this is local utilities. The Methane is fed into the grid.
In the third world, such a scheme is something a swarthy, sweaty man with 4 nubile daughters and 5 sons and mouths to feeds sees as his Pot O’ Gold at the end of the rainbow.
He will work for $2 and hour to establish the network of marginal parts and contracts, mostly with local fleets- buses, taxis, other commercial rigs. He hangs his shingle out as Natural Gas Producer of Mumbai, and he buys equipment to pump natural gas, he hires the $2 and hour Indian engineer to look it over.
Local politicans get involved because it makes them look like they’re part of the 1st world. There are ribbon cutting, taxes levied, palms greased, and reporters all a-twitter.
Most of the time- the vast majority of the time- scavenged methane (or mined) methane goes to power cooking gas ranges.
Stick it in a bottle, and you can mark that shit up through the roof.
But as a motor fuel? We’re talking economies of scale, volumes of gas. Motor fuel is almost pure wastage- we’ve covered that.
What is going to make Pot’O’Gold more money, bottling 2 liters and selling at a markup, to end-consumers who have barely more than two wooden nickels to rub together, or the local municipal fleet, with its mustachioed primary-school graduates, willing to overload an ancient Frieghtliner with as many kids, moms, dads, and sheep?
The answer is a little of both.
But I have digressed from doing doughtnuts all over your CNG field of dreams. The mathematical reason it is an Alt-Fuel is that it is marginal. Lets say 10 million (high ceiling) is the amount of CNG vehicles worldwide- no- double that: 20 million, because I’m full of chuckles today.
Whats the total vehicle fleet population divided by 20 million? How marginal is marginal? Sub 1%? 2% You do the math, Greenspan.
Look at this bucket of chuckles: http://www.ngvamerica.org/about_ngv/
Heres what we have- an industry funded little side project keeping a small team of techno-crats (they are hard at work at their laptops in Starbucks) making a bit of website, a bit of industrial poo-poo, making it look “profesh”…
The website is nothing but lure for the vast sea of investor money… or perhaps just to bolster the sector, giver people like Mr. Pot’O’Gold in mumbai a shot in the Arm of confidence. Like all other alternative fuel organizations, the New Golden Dawn is just around the corner: just look at the numbers! The claims! With Bullet Points!
Linked is more government research. “Hard” market research. Latest Oct. 2011 shows CNG prices rising, all other alternative diving. Relevance to discussion: zero. Who cares- doesn’t matter.
The ‘savings’ of using methane as an auto fuel are also marginal. Even if prices stay lower than gasoline (as equivalent units) there is not enough conversions to make a consumer market.
As for the realities of owning a vapor fueled, fossil-fuel burning hunk of metal- you’ll appreciate the marginality and lack of practicality when you run out of gas. Enjoy getting towed home- or to the dispensary. Or perhaps you’ve shelled out a few thou and signed off on all the paperwork to own your own pump. Or purchased a bulk-fill contract. You can enjoy refilling your vehicle somewhere in the industrial part of town (does your town even have an industrial area anymore?)
When you have a little break-down, have fun looking for the vapor-fuel specialist to fix your rig, if they’ll even touch it.
And if you ever get in an accident, enjoy telling the emergency responders there is a pressurized tank of gas in the wreckage.
For the third worlders, especially in Asia-Pacific, they’ll have fun-fun-fun collecting from the massive animal manure pits their societies are rapidly expanding (so they can eat meat- in order to grow tall like the Western barbarian hordes). When people burn natural gas to cook pigs that created it, on feed-stocks from industrial agriculture, they do so at high efficiencies. That is, the gas is turned into heat that is used.
As a waste gas for collection, there is nothing super wrong with using Natural gas. But step back, and look at the context: the context is an extremely large amount of consumption by a huge number of people, driving the agriculture, the meat-eating, and so the burning itself is a greenhouse-gas generator on top of the intensity of all the other activity. But it is better than simply releasing methane- which humanity is doing quite a lot of.
No system is perfect, and the proliferation of natural gas distribution systems is the same. These things leak, all of them, some or all of the time. This is the #2 punch to our planet’s future (after #1, carbon dioxide) which will ultimately end our civilization, and pretty much all life as we know it.
We’re getting there. We’re finding solutions- in more problems. Your average American is about as resourceful as a rural operator with 9 children in India: they are on a mission to survive, to compete, to exploit any free energies or capital they can get their hands on. Governments, societies, the whole thing, is focused on “liberating capital” to keep living tomorrow like they were living today.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

D as a butterfly: Repent or be damned to ye! Little pollen grains of hate indeed.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

Jews lived in what is today Spain already prior to Jesus. It’s called the Iberian peninsula because that where many Hebrews lived. In fact, when Jesus made his sea voyage to recruit more rebels against Rome, he traveled to the land of the Gadarenes (tribe of Gad) which is southern Spain and the islands near by (Majorca, etc). It was not a voyage in the lake of Galilee as the Vatican would you believe.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

Its funny- where do you see bottled CNG as a fuel: when there are no alternatives.
– You live in an urban area that doesn’t have services like piped gas
– You live in an area where the price of dried dung-cakes is competitive
– You live in an area where every other scrabbling hand have denuded the landscape of burnable firewood
CNG is an alternative, but in context, not really.
Methane is generated by a meat-heavy consumption lifestyle. A real alternative would be reducing that. Methane is a GHG, not a non-GHG. Non-GHGs go in the ‘real alternative’ pile.
Methane as a motor fuel only perpetuates and accelerates clusterfuckation of the world’s life-support systems. Its use is the canary in the coal mine, screaming that we are backsliding. we are too fucking stupid to see the forest for the trees, with our slick alt-fuel websites and bootstrap-propaganda.

When methane (CH4) enters the atmosphere, it reacts with molecules of oxygen (O) and hydrogen (H), called OH radicals. The OH radicals combine with methane and break it up, creating carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O), both of which are greenhouse gases. Scientists previously assumed that all of the released methane would be converted to CO2 and water after about a decade. If that happened, the rise in CO2 would have been the biggest player in warming the planet. But when scientists tried to find evidence of increased CO2 levels to explain the rapid warming during the LPTM, none could be found.
The models used in the new study show that when you greatly increase methane amounts, the OH quickly gets used up, and the extra methane lingers for hundreds of years, producing enough global warming to explain the LTPM climate.
“Ten years of methane is a blip, but hundreds of years of atmospheric methane is enough to warm up the atmosphere, melt the ice in the oceans, and change the whole climate system,” Schmidt said. “So we may have solved a conundrum.”

The chemistry is telling. Methane is a planetary killer. If Methane is released and uses up the atmosheric free radicals, we are going to cook in a very, very disturbing fashion. For starters, the lack of free radicals will mean all of our other frantic and wasteful enterprises- generating all that auto exhaust, not to mention just the incidental off-gassing of all sorts of pollution- will be inhibited from degrading.
We take it for granted because we are stupid and prideful, and without imagination or ideas. We are following our Alpha male leaders and their doctrines of self-interest into a pit where we die choking on our own waste. That is, the future and last generation, mostly.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

Vatican Muslims. There ya go folks.
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That’s right. Same as CIA/Al-QAEDA, or Alex Jones refers to them, CIA’EDA. Same arrangement. Same technique. By the same people.

Qshtik February 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

Also, let me be clear. – Met
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No, let me be clear. You are the biggest Asshole on this site and “Asshole” is the foulest insult ever conceived. You are despicable and a disgrace to the Jewish people.
You several fools (especially Prog) following you around like puppies, engaging with you when anyone with common sense can see it’s fruitless. It’s embarrassing and they are becoming “Jerkoffs,” the second most insulting label one could be tagged with. My advice to them and to all posters here: don’t be a Jerkoff, don’t talk to Assholes.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

I keep making the implicit mistake of saying “If” as if “IF” methane is released.
It will be released- enthusiastically. The enthused will be those making money, those looking to extend this regime of unsustainable economic and ecological practices, and those trolls and cheerleaders on the sidelines, may Jesus forgive them, they know not what they do.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

You are dense, BustinJ.
“you’ll appreciate the marginality and lack of practicality when you run out of gas.”
Ever heard of dual fuel vehicles?
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Natural gas as a motor vehicle fuel is not “marginal” it’s not “alternative” it’s mainstream for millions of vehicles. People earn a living driving those vehicles and natural gas works as a substitute or as a complement.
Don’t take the USA experience (non-experience) with natural gas vehicles and think it’s the same world wide. It is not.

metuselah February 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

LOL!
DA JOOZ!! I’m not “DA JOOZ”. If you want “DA JOOZ”, talk to Vladik.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

My advice to them and to all posters here: don’t be a Jerkoff, don’t talk to Assholes.
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Careful, Q, that kind of shutting down dialog could get you labelled “RI” … by Procon … If you care.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

ABC FILM CREW ARRESTED IN CONGRESS

Josh Fox, director of the Academy Award-nominated documentary “Gasland” was taken into custody by Capitol Hill police this morning, along with his crew, after Republicans objected to their presence, according to Democratic sources present at the hearing. The meeting of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment had been taking place in room 2318 of the Rayburn building. Approximately 16 officers entered the hearing room and handcuffed Fox amid audible discussions of “disorderly conduct” charges, according to Democratic sources present at the arrest. “Gasland” received strong critical acclaim and takes a critical eye toward the practice of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” a process in which several tons of highly pressurized water and chemicals are injected into the ground, allowing valuable natural gas to escape. The practice is decried by ecological experts for destroying ecosystems and polluting groundwater. The energy industry keeps the actual content of fracking chemicals secret.

So much for transparency in public congressional hearings, the first amendment, and freedom of the press.

Qshtik February 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

The origin of all races is Mother Africa, and we all migrated from there and changed into the distinct racial groups. – Asoka
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Sorry but: New information is casting doubt on this^ commonly held belief. The Science section of yesterday’s NY Times contained an article titled DNA Turning Human Story Into a Tell-All. Here are the first two paragraphs:
The tip of a girl’s 40,000-year-old pinky finger found in a cold Siberian cave, paired with faster and cheaper genetic sequencing technology, is helping scientists draw a surprisingly complex new picture of human origins.
The new view is fast supplanting the traditional idea that modern humans triumphantly marched out of Africa about 50,000 years ago, replacing all other types that had gone before.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 4:57 pm #

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Qshtik February 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

So do you have experience in comedy?
Your turn to make me laugh. – Rhino to Asoka
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I thought this line from Asoka was pretty funny:
“The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun…”

flying picket February 1, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

“Of course, I’m allergic to conspiracy theories and the only explanation that adds up for me is the diminishing returns of technology. ”
That is unworthy of your intelligence, James. I can only imagine you are trying to protect your position on 9/11. Not that I would blame you for not wanting to mix it with the black ops department of the FBI.
Unfortunately, it comes naturally to powerful men to conspire against the common good to their own short-term, personal advantage. If the long-term is on offer, too, all to the good/(bad).
Your whole column is about the vast political conspiracy of the US’s ultra right-wing, two-party system and the anomy, chaos and economic ruin it has engendered. You must be aware that the MSM is an arm of your corporate government, as ours is in the UK.
And surely, western geopolitics never ceases its louche machinations to destabilise other states, if only in pursuit of their favourite ‘game’ of disaster capitalism.
It could be argued, of course that our governments are a vast unanimously right-wing coalition, but that doesn’t preclude subordinate conspiracies one iota.

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

“YouR several fools (especially Prog) following you around like puppies, engaging with you when anyone with common sense can see it’s fruitless. It’s embarrassing and they are….”
-a side order of Quiche, to Mika-
You are a narrow minded and judgmental Asshole, Q.
I suspect you take perverse pride in these characteristics. But I wonder if you know how much your posts to CFN incrementally reveal your basic personality to be that of a typical Jerkoff?
I actually find Mika/Met to be an interesting character. I will attempt to engage him for as long as I choose, in an effort to find out just how interesting he might be. I still consider it within the realm of possibility that he is a “sock puppet” of one of the other CFN regulars. Time will tell.
In the meanwhile, don’t let your quiche burn.

BeantownBill February 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

Q, it is so nice to have you back. I never spotted you until you finally couldn’t overcome your grammatical urges; then I knew.
I, too, get very tired of the CFN bullshit responses, but I suspect that is a trait common to all blogs. You may have noticed my replies are somewhat sporatic. I may post a lot over a few days, then I have to stay away from posting for awhile. I gave serious consideration to quit as well.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

Q, this news shakes me to the core, but I suspect that was your intent.
In other news it seems they have discovered the remains of multiple 100,000-year-old adobe mud huts and multiple piles of stone tools near the Red Sea, suggesting that the dry desert of the Arabian Peninsula was once a home base for Homo sapiens’ earliest migrations.
That discovery also challenges the traditional belief that homo sapiens originated from Africa 65,000 years ago. It presents evidence on abundant freshwater that flowed through the Peninsula about 140,000 years ago during the transition from a glacial to an interglacial period.
Alhamdulillah!
I guess you can have humanity originate wherever it makes you feel most comfortable. Multitudes of origin stories. I kind of like that idea.

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

Yes NYT yesterday, page D1.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

We just jive talking, right?
We all know it was Mother Africa, right?

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

spo·rad·ic/sp??radik/
Adjective:
Occurring at irregular intervals or only in a few places; scattered or isolated.
sorry, could not resist!

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

You are a narrow minded and judgmental Asshole, Q.
Whoa, dude!
Roughing the poster.
5-yard penalty.
As an RI, you will be charged for delay of game.

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

yeah really!
‘Right in the middle of a week and without announcement, unlike Prog who feels he must advise us whenever he’s leaving his keyboard to take a dump (as if we care), I stopped posting. I wondered if I could quit completely and more importantly I wondered if I could stop reading…………..’
How dare he!

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

“That there is priceless! You’ve done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that’s a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much.” -Wage-
Wage, I said I had done everything I could. Going to, and sending my kids to, desegregated schools was just an example. And it certainly was NOT strongest example I could have chosen. And, anyway, everything means EVERYTHING.
And yet, 47 years of earnest US effort, with Affirmative Action, the War on Poverty, amazing social programs and all the rest of it – was not enough to make asoka, as a proxy for forever dissatisfied African-Americans, satisfied. And you, Wage, are now backing him up and poking fun at me because I should have – somehow – done more.
It truly is hopeless. I can never do enough. The USA can never do enough. Just ask asoka..
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“If the cops chased Rodney King on a high speed chase, then they were breaking the law. It is illegal to have high speed chases in California because innocent bystanders are frequently killed.” -wage-
This is a NICE example of the way history is twisted in an effort to make historical actors in the PAST, extra responsible for their actions – as though those actions were occurring in this present day – with all of the knowledge and modern biases – of this present day.
High speed chases were completely legal for police in LA County in 1992. The Rodney King chase reached 117 MPH. King was DUI, by at least double the legal limit.
There’s a lot about the King case that was spun and twisted, and that never really came to light. You know you can trust Salon.
http://www1.salon.com/news/1998/03/13news.html
“Here they chased this guy for eight miles, they had stopped him…….then directed four officers to jump on King. King threw them off his back. He was sweating on a cold night, it was obvious he was drunk. He pointed at the sky, he called around, he made strange noises, he waggled his buttocks at the woman officer, all of these things. They suspected he was on PCP, and they knew he was strong.”
54 people were killed in the rioting that followed the not guilty verdict of the officers who originally arrested King. If he had just stopped his goddam’ car when ordered – or never driven under the influence in the first place – none of the rest would have happened.

ctemple February 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

A butterfly? A butterfly? A foul mouthed harpy strikes me a lot better

shecky February 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

Insisting on CNG as a viable alternative/replacement for petroleum is laughable. It is at best a stopgap, for after we run out of oil and before we kill enough of each other off that riding horses will again be feasible. 7 billion people feel entitled to a personal motorcar, and each is as correct as the next. Some folks need several!
Natgas is toxic, corrosive, and explosive. To extract it from the know reserves, especially the shale deposits, would destroy the associated aquifers upon which human society depends. Like burning down your house to stay warm in the winter.
Natgas is also the primary source material for the fertilizers and pharmaceuticals that have contributed to the explosion of human population in the last 50 years. Start burning that shit to go to Walmart and kiss Grannie’s meds and marigolds goodbye.
It makes me think of a friend who converted his Beetle to bio-diesel, and now tells everyone who will listen that this is the answer. See, if everyone lived on french fries the waste would power the world. And, he gets it free!
The greasy truth is that we need to do what we will never do willingly: we need to give up the motorheaded madness that defines us historically as shortsighted, foul, belligerent hive-people, as termites who will gladly consume the dying tree that houses us without a thought about where we go next.
Obama knows that if he tells us this he will go the way of Jimmeh’s cardigan. So he blows natgas up our asses, it tickles, and some of us love him for it.
Politicians get elected by telling us what we want to hear. Rarely do we want to hear the truth.

dale February 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

For those of you with an interest in something which transcends the usual possibilities discussed on CFN, I would consider the documentary “DMT – The Spirit Molecule”.
It’s available from Netflix, on streaming at least, there is also a website which gives other sources. Facinating to say the least, and highly recommended.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

Quite true. Man as Homo Erectus probably became Man as Homo Sapiens outside of Africa. In any case, it’s always amusing to see Blacks claiming that long legged apes like Lucy the Australopithecus were Negroes.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

Q was reporting on a white body with a pinky sticking out of the ice in Siberia.
If Met’s people are God’s chosen people, then your people, Vlad, are God’s frozen people. Think about it.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

You see? It’s a religion – the Black as Christ. You have to sacrafice unto death for them or you are just a piker. Now how does such feeling tie into being a citizen? Or Blacks as citizens? Certainly it indicates that they should have incredible privledge – and Whites have to give it to them, or should I say other Whites, not the good people of course. Wage and her ilk are deluded and dangerous people who enable Blacks and egg them on to worse and worse behavior.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

Oh yes, Black Professor Jefries and his theory of the Sun (good) People and Ice (Bad) People. I find it interesting that Blacks are White on their hands and feet. Perhaps you were once White and turned Black as an adaptation or as a punishment for your sins?

youmouyixia February 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

   The 2012 London Olympic Games less than 200 days, and LOCOG are nervous doing the final preparations. However, British Sky Broadcasting has issued a survey report, the final actual cost of the London Olympics may more than 12 billion pounds, this figure will exceed five times the British original Olympic budget. solar heater panel
   Xinhua News Agency, Xinhua, reported that seven years ago, London’s successful Olympic bid, will host the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games budgeted cost of 23.7 billion pounds. In 2007, due to the construction site and a number of safety measures and security management needs, the budget was increased to 9.3 billion pounds. With the Olympics approaching, that there will be £ 2.4 billion to pay for anti-doping personnel costs, the local government’s Torch Relay Plan, Metro staff during the Olympic Games of high compensation and the Olympic legacy projects.
   Reported that for the above figure does not include terrorism, national security and intelligence, the London public infrastructure and other related costs. If you count all the expenses, the London Olympics, the final actual total cost may be higher. solar light

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

Glad you’re here Bill. Now please chastise Met for his racism against Whites and also counsel him for his feelings of self hatred for being of part Northern European ancestry.

lbendet February 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

Hypocrisy #5 trillon and counting
Here’s a little taste of first amendment attack on the press and it’s by those constitution loving Repug-na-can’ts!—It’s a public hearing my friends….
‘Gasland’ Journalists Arrested At Hearing By Order Of House Republicans
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/house-republicans-order-j_n_1246971.html?ref=green&ir=Green

Buck Stud February 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

” We’ll know we’re back when men can fight again and not get locked up. And dueling should be allowed back to: it would help keep assholes in check if they knew that there is a limit they can’t safely cross.”
On one hand – the romantic one wielding a glove against an adversaries face – a challenge to a duel sounds rather satisfying in a chilling sort of a way. But only if one is fairly sure of the outcome and the duel were to occur in a particular arena of martial competence. And let’s face it, most all of us have thanked the law for preventing and inhibiting our deep-seated desires to murder unsavory opposition. Which raises another issue: are the majority of “moral men” simply cowards who are unwilling to face the legal consequences of their deep-seated aggressive impulses? However one answers that question, there can be no doubt that the most dangerous man is the one willing to die in order to murder. There is simply very little defense against that type of commitment.
On the other hand, your longing for the by-gone days of duels inevitably leads to might makes right dynamic. And that dynamic is pregnant with endless opportunity for the bad guys.

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

All molecules are empty and psychedelic Buddhism is verboten. See the precepts.

Pucker February 1, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

I just returned from a short trip to Cambodia, and, unfortunately, I have some rather disturbing news to report. While in Phnom Penh, I re-visited the Khmer Rouge torture center called Tuol Sleng (also called S-21) http://www.tuolsleng.com/history.php
I’ve visited Tuol Sleng three times over the past 15 years. In any case, it appears that approximately 80% of the original items on display at the museum have been stolen, probably sold to rich people.
Think about it: The purpose of the museum is serve as a warning about society’s capacity to slip into madness and the darkness of the human heart. But rather than yeilding to that cautionary tale, some rich fuckers have been buying up the original torture devices used by the Khmer Rouge to put on display in their personal museums, or because they think that the monetary value of such torture devices will appreciate. Sick obtuse bastards!
It doesn’t bode well for the future when the rich and powerful start coveting torture devices….

Vlad Krandz February 1, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

Not at all. If a bully tries to pick a fight or a duel, the police could be called. I object to the police throwing the book at guys who get into tussles. And if a bully tried to pick a duel, same thing. But if an asshole wont relent, I’d appreciate the option – for the Creep to put up or shut up. I’d say it would lessen the sum total of evil. An armed society is a polite society.
Also if you are familiar, the duel itself is hedged with all kinds of provisions for last minute forgiveness and for mercy after hostilities have commenced, etc. A great movie was made about it called “The Duel” – altho it doesn’t advance my thesis too much. In the move, the asshole keeps pursuing a gentleman who is above him in class – in both senses of the word. The gentleman felt compelled to consent, which might be the downside if that mentality developed again. But at least it keeps men hard. We have become such weaklings, no wonder we are well on the way towards slavery.

bubbleheadMarc February 1, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

“Massive volumes of clathrates lie buried in the seabed around the world-perhaps twice as much in energy terms as all other fossil fuels combined. Optimum conditions for clathrate formation exist where ocean water is more than 1,300 feet deep, and bottom temperatures are below 34-35 degrees F. The material is kept solid only by the pressure of the overlying water and the cold. While most clathrates lie miles below the sea’s surface, very large volumes can be found in the Arctic Ocean, for there tempertures are sufficiently low, even near the surface, to keep them stable.”
Page 199: The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery

bubbleheadMarc February 1, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

The above refers to methane clathrates, or frozen methane deposits locked into an ice structure which can catch fire if ignited.

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

“A butterfly? A butterfly? A foul mouthed harpy strikes me a lot better” -calebT-
Yeah, OK Caleb, I’ve taken a lot of grief for that today. I still think it’s a funny metaphor – butterflies vs artillery shells, and all that.
Honestly, Dee has never hit my CFN RADAR until recently. She lives in Costa Rica as a US expat and she’s very defensive about it. She hates Vlad, but she has to stand in line for that around here.
I’ll start paying more attention to Dee and see if I’ve been missing something.
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“D as a butterfly: Repent or be damned to ye! Little pollen grains of hate indeed.” -vlad-
Sorry, Vlad, try as I might, I can’t find anything for which to repent
– Lookout, Incoming!!
WHHHHRRRRRR, BBOOOMMMM!

SNAFU February 1, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

Howdy Wage, You have been a busy commenter.
“That’s not a crumb the Democrats are tossing you, SNAFU. It’s pepper spray and clubs.”
I understand your sentiments concerning the approach to “LAW and ORDER” in the US of A; however, a glance into our history illustrates that it is nothing if not the same old same old.
Back in the olden days, a hundred thousand years ago, give or take several thousand, those of our relatives who were holed up in caves in what we now call Europe and those who were trotting about on the great savannas of Africa had become pack animals thus enabling them to survive. Unfortunately, one of the characteristics of pack animals is strong leaders and submissive followers, to the leader not outsiders. Carry forward about a hundred thousand years and we have Cro-Mangan man with a few Neanderthal genes thrown in, calling himself modern man, still saddled with pack animal leadership now called Kings, Queens, Presidents, Premiers ….. Now toss in the current mix of super greedy cocksucker psychopathic 1%ers, probably less than, who own and control everyone else including those who think they are in charge and you get what we’ve gotten, the shaft.
Yup it would be great to have a different system; but, me thinks without the survival crumbs gingerly sprinkled by the semi liberal Dems, nota chance in Hell. If you do not like what “O” is doing exactly what do you expect the “LAWS of the LAND” will look like after 4 years of another repulsifican POTUS. As for your advice to vote for Ron Paul, perhaps you might want to take a glance at this Wiki link – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul – . I do not see him in favor of many of the things that your writings indicate you favor. In fact it appears that he is against most everything you are for. I reckon not all even I could get behind doing away with the FED and having the US gommerment step up and take over the printing of interest free money. Under the system put in place by the psychopathic 1%ers, surviving on the Dems crumbs long enough to wrest control may be the last chance for the 99%ers. The sand may be nearly gone. Anyone out there remember a Winter warmer than this one? 45 F here today, 44.498954,-75.343173, on the first day of February!
“Wage to Rhino, Still, it makes no difference to us peons which faction gets to sit in office and rake in the money.”
It would appear to me that subsequent to the Reagan inauguration the transfer of wealth to the obscenely wealthy from the rest of us picked up a hell of a lot larger head of steam than prior. I know that Clinton was in the mix; however, his inability to keep his trouser snake under control, before and after he got to the White House, possibly had something to do with Congress being handed over to the repulsificans after he had been in office for two of his eight years. This likely had much to do with his caving on repulsifican bills to aid the transfer of wealth in an “up gusher” vice the “trickle down” promised by Reagan.
“Wage to Rhino, I do have a pretty good idea what 9-11 isn’t. It isn’t what they’re telling us. It’s a great excuse to invade and kill anybody they want to.”
You and I have tussled with why the building hit by the aircraft on 9/11 came down so I’ll pass on that. I am not adverse to conspiracies; such as, the Kennedy magic bullet which, according to Arlen Specter, passed through two men and was found on the gurney Kennedy was on looking as if it had just been fished out of a rifling catch tank or the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor when the US, courtesy of Great Brittan, had been in possession of the capability to decode the Japanese messages since perhaps 1939. I have had more than a nodding acquaintance with things that go bang and projectiles for nigh onto 60 years the magic bullet was justly named in my book. My hunch is the Japanese were lured into attacking Pearl to get us into the war, boots and all; the mistake was in underestimating the Japanese capabilities. I must agree with Rhino, there is no rational logic thinking clandestine US operatives were used to attack the towers. I can believe that the “W” administration was under direction from the psychopaths to come up with a rational to get us into Iraq. Was the attack on the towers akin to Pearl? We likely knew something was up, the towers had been attacked previously; but, we knew not when nor where. Another underestimate of capability? Perhaps; but, they sure as hell were not going to let any excuse slither away.
“Wage to Progressor, You’ve done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that’s a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much.”
Outstanding repartee Wage.
SNAFU

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

“The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth, according to ProCon (he’s the comedian)” -asoka.-
If you guys think I’m funny, then BustinJ is freakin’-bustin’-a-gut HILARIOUS!!! He does planetary death due to overconsumption a hellofawholelot FUNNIER than I do!
“Methane as a motor fuel only perpetuates and accelerates clusterfuckation of the world’s life-support systems. Its use is the canary in the coal mine, screaming that we are backsliding. we are too fucking stupid to see the forest for the trees, with our slick alt-fuel websites and bootstrap-propaganda.”
-bustinJ, on an optimistic day-
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Also, it’s very interesting that asoka. spent several posts shilling for the CNF industry as the next great thing to propel Happy Motoring in South America, and then in the World.
This during the same afternoon that asoka. is posting about the news crew arrested at the capitol today because the Republicans/Corporate Democrats didn’t like them reporting on how fracking was being used inside the US.
Purpose of fracking, you ask?
It is to free enough methane (NG), that can then be compressed into CNG, to then power the Happy Motoring lifestyle in the US for a few more years of unsustainable population growth.
Whee.

progress2conserve February 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

“…shilling for the CNF industry as the next great thing to propel Happy Motoring…” -p2c-
OK, who catches the mistaken acronym up there?
While the Compressed Natural F*ck industry does have great potential as a theoretical concept –
It was supposed to be “CNG.”
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and while I’m burning bandwidth on a clear channel:
“Outstanding repartee Wage.”
-SNAFU-
I concur about that, SNAFU.
Even though I’m right and she’s wrong, of course.
haha hoho hehe

shecky February 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

So, what are you saying? You believe that this will be an exploitable energy source? Or another grail to be pursued in vain, while the little time we may have left to change our ways is frittered away on more of the same that has brought us to the brink of collapse?
The warming of the oceans, and the loss of the polar caps, will probably release this ice-bound bonanza into the atmosphere and accelerate the carbon-driven warming of said atmosphere.
Extracting such a volatile resource in the violent arctic climate will be an interesting challenge. The more ice we remove/process, the faster the rate of atmospheric release. I do not see it as anything but a cruel tease. Burning ice, barbecued bears…
Extraction of those deposits in the deep sea does not look so promising either. EROEI and all that.
That genie is in a jar for a reason. Open it at your peril, and mine. It is kinda interesting, but I personally have little stake in the future.
Hope I’m wrong. I often am. I think about these things as I walk to work, and my neighbors in their SUV’s pass me one by one, talking on their cell phones to children they hardly know, on their way to jobs they hate, to finance lives they don’t even live.

Qshtik February 1, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

Q, this news shakes me to the core,
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Yeah, I’m sure… and I didn’t even tell you the really juicy stuff, the stuff that Vlad will be creaming his jeans over…
..turns out these scientists were lead to another cave in the heart of present-day Germany and the DNA in the ancient human remains indicate the people were very white with reddish-blond hair and (male) penises that reached on average to two inches above the knee.
They had developed a system of mathematics including an understanding of pi, the golden ratio, and a method for determining the square roots of negative numbers. Wall paintings portrayed large breasted females washing the feet of males. Almost without exception these females were shoeless and pregnant.
Sudden adverse weather changes caused these people to flee southward. They split into two tribes based primarily on dietary considerations. The first group (those with a penchant for fried poultry) passed through Spain to Gibraltar where they crossed the narrow passage into the warmth of Africa. As millennia passed, and being close to the Earth’s equator, their bodies evolved toward the production of more and more melanin and their skin darkened. As their skin became darker the volume of their cranial cavities lessened causing their hair to curl and they simultaneously began to lose the amazing scientific and other knowledge that they had somehow acquired in Europe and became dumber and dumber.
The second tribe (who, apparently for religious reasons, made a point of eating fish on the 6th day of every 7 day period) passed through Italy, across Sicily and the Mediterranean into North Africa, ultimately settling in present day Egypt where much later their descendants would build the pyramids. As they approached the equator someone fortuitously invented a white umbrella-like device which they employed continuously to shade themselves from the sun since, unlike the other tribe, they had quickly recognized the direct correlation of dark skin with low IQ. (Note: their term for IQ was GS or “genetic smarts.”)
The study published in the Journal Science by the David Duke School of Anthropology (Poedunk, Arkansas Campus) explains how all this was determined starting from the DNA in the 40,000-year-old pinky in Siberia.
😉

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

I think about these things as I walk to work, and my neighbors in their SUV’s pass me one by one, talking on their cell phones to children they hardly know, on their way to jobs they hate, to finance lives they don’t even live.
Beautiful, and trenchant, shecky. Thanks for that.

Bustin J February 1, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

asoka mentions “Ever heard of dual fuel vehicles?”
Sure. Its a compromise. Dual fuel vehicles are, in some ways, the worst of both worlds, since you have each system lugging the other around. One has to get out of the way of the other. CNG conversions are layered on top of the liquid fuel system. That means a whole pile of parts and pieces that must do a funky about-face whenever you switch tanks. This is achieved relatively smoothly with the highly engineered parts. But things break…
So the engine is designed for one, not the other. Say you switch from gasoline to methane. You have to change spark timing, mixture, switch a fuel pump off, open the methane valve, and etc…
But these vehicles with their dual-fuel are nearly unknown. The reason is that it makes no sense to run both. Think about it. What do you want with an extra CNG tank and system? A marginal savings (claimed) on fuel against a very large upfront cost?
You want more fuel on board, for what? More range? Why not add another gasoline tank? That is much cheaper in the short run, and in most long runs. Of course, there is the drawback of having to carry around an extra fuel tank and fuel which hits your mileage.
I’m not saying its not done. Taxis that drive 30,000 miles a year and want in the HOV lane, or a state-specific tax break. It CAN burn cleaner than regular IF the whole system is designed for it. So major-milers that would otherwise pollute.
I’d rather ride my bike next to a CNG powered bus than any diesel or gasoline combo.

Tark February 1, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

Your smug, smirking tone reveals a little bit of self-hatred, Asoka. You’re a half-breed if I read correctly and you may be so hostile to whites because you can never quite measure up in a lot of ways. Then again, you can’t really be accepted by either.
Even in the U.S. culture that’s coming in the future you will be still be low, lower still, on the totem pole. Because Hispanics will be the majority and their cultures always shove half-blacks/blacks to the bottom. Cream still rises to the top.
At least I may get to see people like you and certain truly despicable ‘whites’ like Metuselah devalued, and maybe finally treated as the traitors they are. That will be the one thing worth it. So keep gloating, it won’t be easier for you in the new demographic.

asoka. February 1, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

So keep gloating, it won’t be easier for you in the new demographic.
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Where you been, Tark? You haven’t noticed any change in the demographic recently? It’s already easier for me. I can afford to be a little uppity, what with having one of my kind as president and all. Whites will soon be the minority and their run is over. Things are better for me every year. I am fluent in Spanish and get along fine with my Hispanic neighbors, good people … even got soul.

anti soak February 1, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

‘Way back in the 1960s’ Tim Leary asked Swami Satchidananda and Meher Baba to endorse
‘GOD IN A PILL’..They declined.
MB dictated an essay ‘God in a Pill?’, very good
read.
The natives speak of Gods Flesh [peyote or shrooms]
not the Sages.

messianicdruid February 2, 2012 at 12:25 am #

The tribe of Gad were Israelites, not jews, as you well know.

Qshtik February 2, 2012 at 12:35 am #

or because they think that the monetary value of such torture devices will appreciate. Sick obtuse bastards!
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Yeah, I saw this the first time you posted it a week or so ago but I was on hiatus from replying. What I was dying to say, however, was “Talk about SICK, who the hell makes their third trip to Cambodia to re-visit a torture center. You maybe should make three trips to a shrink. Just sayin.

anti soak February 2, 2012 at 1:13 am #

SNOW?
Snow has been missing in action for much of the U.S. the last couple months. But it’s not just snow. It’s practically the season that’s gone AWOL.
“What winter?” asked Mike Halpert, deputy director of the National Weather Service’s Climate Prediction Center. For the Lower 48, January was the third-least snowy on record, according to the Global Snow Lab at Rutgers University. Records for the amount of ground covered by snow go back to 1967.
Last year, more than half the nation was covered in snow as a Groundhog Day blizzard barreled across the country, killing 36 people and causing $1.8 billion in damage. This year, less than a fifth of the country outside of Alaska has snow on the ground.
Bismarck, N.D., has had one-fifth its normal snow, Boston a third. Buffalo is three feet below normal for snowfall this year. Midland, Texas, has had more snow this season than Minneapolis or Chicago.
Forget snow. For much of the country there’s not even a nip in the air. On Tuesday, the last day in January, all but a handful of states had temperatures in the 50s or higher. In the nation’s capital, where temperatures flirted with the 70s, some cherry trees are alread

Buck Stud February 2, 2012 at 1:21 am #

Where I live we’re looking at 12 inches by Friday. Or should

asoka. February 2, 2012 at 1:58 am #

Where I live it’s 58 daytime, but 28 nighttime.
That’s the desert temperature swing that makes adobe bricks function so well, absorbing solar energy in the day and releasing heat in the night.

asoka. February 2, 2012 at 2:08 am #

OK, dale, watched it. Thanks for the recommendation.
I find myself agreeing with Patricio the shaman who emphasized the importance of “set and setting”
Personally, I don’t think people should be taking ayahuasca outside of the Amazon jungle setting where an experienced and trusted shaman can lead someone through the experience. Too many Whites (usually of the “New Age” variety) have taken ayahuasca out of its setting and are commercializing it.
I’ll stick with simple vipassana.

Pucker February 2, 2012 at 2:25 am #

No…the first time that I visited Tuol Sleng I visited the museum alone.
The second and third times that I visited Tuol Sleng I accompanied friends who wanted to see it for themselves.
I think that it is fascinating that people experience reality differently depending upon their respective personalities. Some people visit Tuol Sleng and don’t really see anything. I mean to say that they, of course, see the walls, the buildings, the prison cells, the torture devices, but they have no reaction to it. Others, such as myself, experience intense nightmares shortly thereafter their first visit. In contrast, some powerful and rich people, it seems, find a certain allure in the sadistic, macabre of Tuol Sleng and seek to covet its instruments of torture and place them in their personal collections.

asoka. February 2, 2012 at 2:56 am #

Interview with HALTO Founder
HALTO is Hispanics Against Liberal Takeover who favors “self-deportation” and also sought to outlaw the Macarena and Linda Ronstadt’s music.
Romney has taken up HALTO’s cause and promotes “self-deportation”
In the interview the HALTO founder, Daniel D. Portado, called for the deportation of Linda Rondstadt, whose bad ranchera cover music was attracting too many Mexican illegals to America.
Daniel D. Portado also demanded that Mexican food be declared a “biological weapon.”
NT: Why is self-deportation important?
DDP: We have to get rid of all these illegals crowding our country to make room for Americans. Look at how fat they are getting! We need much free space around the girthy Americans, go to any Walmart and see for yourself. I can barely get through the snack aisle, it’s like Jungle Safari — the part with the hippos.
Self-deportation celebrates the American spirit of stick-to-it-ness, and get-out-of-here-ness. Americans are frankly too lazy to get up off the couch to chase the illegals out, so why can’t they just do it for us?
NT: Have you spoken to the Romney camp about self-deportation?
DDP: Yes, I went to Camp Mormonhead for a hunting trip, I mentioned self-deportation to him, and the rest is history.
NT: How does your definition of self deportation differ from that of Romney’s?
DDP: Mitt Romney hopes immigrants will eventually self-deport back to their respective countries. I, on the other hand, demand that illegal immigrants self-deport immediately! And as to where they should go, I would send the Chinese to Mexico, I really don’t care.
NT: Will you endorse him for president?
DDP: Of course, as soon as the check clears.
NT: Take us through a day in the life of a typical self-deportationist.
DDP: Well, I wake up in the morning, pack my bags and then self-deport. Unfortunately, I love America sooo much, I usually sneak back in to the U.S. by lunchtime, and get to work backing whichever Republican candidate I am working for. I also lobby for anti-immigrant laws all over the South and in the Alabama of the West — Arizona.
NT: Do you hate yourself?
DDP: I hate illegals. And yes, I do not have my papers.
NT: Do you have any other issues besides this one? What about English only?
DDP: Yes, I think all illegals should speak English only while they are in Mexico, just to make their lives even harder once they leave the U.S.

asoka. February 2, 2012 at 3:16 am #

REPUBLICAN BIG GOVERNMENT PROBING BODIES
Virginia state Senator Janet Howell responded to another one of these stupid bills requiring women seeking an abortion to first undergo a medically pointless ultrasound with a very smart amendment: every man seeking treatment for erectile dysfunction would also by law have to undergo a rectal exam and heart test to get a Viagra prescription. This way, everyone can enjoy the experience of having their nether parts unnecessarily prodded by the cold, uncomfortable indifference of lawmakers’ whims equally. Fair’s fair!

Eleuthero February 2, 2012 at 3:22 am #

That was one of the lamest attempts at parody I’ve ever seen on a public blog. And, like most lameness, has elements of total falsehood embedded in it … like the implication that whites are fat while Hispanics are not. Anybody who lives, as I do, in an area with a large Hispanic population, can see that adult Hispanics are every last bit as fat as Caucasians.
The “bite” of good parody comes from its piercing TRUTH and your ridiculous fake “interview” with Mister “Deportado” (wonder who caught that ridiculously loud, groaning pun?) lacks that, it isn’t funny, and it’s generally artless. I mean, if there WAS a “HALTO” organization, it might have something of a premise. So you proceed from a made-up premise to lousy humor that isn’t funny like the Linda Ronstadt bit.
Wow. I’m glad we don’t really have an ongoing dialog here after witnessing this grade D bit of “humor” you attempted. Keep your day job, Asoka.
E.

Eleuthero February 2, 2012 at 3:57 am #

Anti Soak said:
Forget snow. For much of the country there’s not even a nip in the air. On Tuesday, the last day in January, all but a handful of states had temperatures in the 50s or higher. In the nation’s capital, where temperatures flirted with the 70s, some cherry trees are already
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It’s been a surreal winter both for temperature and precipitation. Philadelphia was 67 degrees today and was 71 degrees sometime last week. In California, we have the prospect of EXTREME drought since the entire state from San Francisco to the Mexican border has had 1-2 inches (under 1 inch in So. Cal.) at most since December 1 and about 80% of our rain falls from Dec. 1 to March 31.
The Western two-thirds of the US has had a severe dearth of rain and/or snow so far this Winter and there’s no end in sight. Any way you slice it, this is one of the most anomalous winters in the last century. It’s rare that both temperature AND precipitation are jointly anomalous. That’s the case this year.
E.

metuselah February 2, 2012 at 4:04 am #

The tribe of Gad were Israelites, not jews, as you well know.
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The tribes Israel, including the tribe of Gad, were Jews in their religion. As Judaism “evolved”, many Israelites (Samarians, the Karaties, etc) rejected the new customs and codes (as do I, btw). But they thought of themselves as kin to the Jewish people and the Jewish people thought of them as kin to them. In Israel today, the Samarians consider themselves (and are recognized) as Jews. Same for the other tribes who have returned to Israel (See: Quest For The Lost Tribes by Simcha Jacobovici). We are one people.

asoka. February 2, 2012 at 4:20 am #

Kansas business groups are calling for undocumented immigrants to be able to remain in Kansas if they work in jobs in agriculture and other industries that are struggling through labor shortages.
The Kansas agriculture secretary has acknowledged having several conversations with federal homeland security officials about potential labor shortages.
The coalition pushing the new program includes agriculture groups with memberships that traditionally lean toward the GOP, as well as the Kansas Chamber of Commerce, another stalwart supporter of conservative Republicans.
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And Procon and Antisoak keep saying illegals are “taking jobs from Americans”
If Americans need jobs, why is there a labor shortage. Why is Kansas fighting to keep undocumented workers?

k-dog February 2, 2012 at 5:34 am #

From the Speech

Nowhere is the promise of innovation greater than in American-made energy. Over the last three years, we’ve opened millions of new acres for oil and gas exploration, and tonight, I’m directing my Administration to open more than 75 percent of our potential offshore oil and gas resources. Right now, American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years. That’s right — eight years. Not only that — last year, we relied less on foreign oil than in any of the past sixteen years.
Yeah Baby Drill Drill Drill till you can’t drill anymore.

Eleuthero February 2, 2012 at 5:42 am #

Well, at least you skipped the lame humor on the Kansas post. The answer to your question is simple: Horrible multinational agribusiness companies like CPC International and ADM don’t want to pay a living wage.
Remember, worldwide, whether we are talking about migrant laborers, auto workers, or wafer fab workers, these multinational corporations pit people against each other in a “race to the bottom” i.e., to see who is willing to live in a 5-per-room hovel, who is willing to work without fringe benefits, etc..
This issue has nothing to do with ethnicity at all. It’s entirely about MONEY. If Albania was next to the USA, then we’d be talking about Albanians instead of Mexicans.
Americans, and rightly so, don’t want to work for five dollars an hour or live in conditions which would represent the undoing of an advancement in their way of life since the agrarian 1920s. We’re no more “spoiled” than the Europeans or the Japanese in this sense.
Most farm laborers work on farms for large agribusiness and the CEOs here and abroad in their foreign headquarters don’t give a fig who they’re exploiting. If a multi-national CEO (a.k.a. a “globalist”) is of ethnicity X, you can bet your bottom dollar they’d take advantage of their own ethnic group if it meant an extra 3 cents a share on the bottom line every quarter.
We’re talking about greed on a scale that makes Ebenezer Scrooge look like Santa Claus.
E.

Pucker February 2, 2012 at 6:19 am #

I didn’t realize that my comment posted from Angkor Wat (Siem Reap) re: Tuol Sleng was actually posted last week. I thought that it had been blocked. Sorry about the re-post this week.
In any event, I think that LBendet’s comment last week is on point: The rich and powerful are a DEATH CULT. They’re going to kill us all!

mika. February 2, 2012 at 6:24 am #

Warren Edward Pollock interviews James Howard Kunstler (Feb 1, 2012)
– http://youtu.be/dcNUHqOm-8g

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 7:00 am #

Electronic voting booth anomalies (as of 2005, something I investigated):
Chuck Hagel was CEO of ES&S electronic voting booth corporation from 1990-1995, and chairman of the board in 1996. In 1996, 80% of the Nebraska vote was cast using ES&S voting booths. Miraculously, that same state and year, Chuck was elected as the first republican in 24 years (re-elected in 2002).
Republican Saxby Chambliss upset win in 2002, as a result of the Diebold rob_georgia.zip last-minute FLASH update of all voting booths, over dial-up internet access…
Have they improved any of the security issues that have been detailed over the past decade? Are they still using crappy code that allows negative vote tallys? Has a paper-trail (or some other means) been added for recounts? Is any sort of encryption WHATSOEVER being used YET?!?
What a fucking joke. For less than $100 million dollars, 7 years ago, they could have had a totally bulletproof, untamperable system using public key encryption access over the internet, for every voter – which allowed voters to verify their own votes later, and tallyers to recount without being able to see who voted for whom. It’s obvious they want it to be as kludge as possible – allows them easy access to vote fraud/rigging.

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 7:26 am #

LOL, deja-vu. Frack til you poison every last river and aquifer! Have you taken a look at how they do the tar sands in Alberta? They simply clearcut the forests, then bulldoze the topsoil off to get to the tar (right on both sides of a major river – silting anyone?)…
I loved that dog-slide video on your page – I was busting on that. Some crazy-@$$ mutts! I however couldn’t find the link to the entabulator response to the SotU…

bubbleheadMarc February 2, 2012 at 7:33 am #

I just put it out there to see what you had to say about it. Theoretically it is exploitable. More likely though it’ll just evaporate into the atmosphere to accelerate global warming to cook the planet so we end up with a climate more like Venus than Mars. Remote viewers from the Army’s Operation Grill Flame at Fort Meade, Maryland claimed that they saw the human race living underneath bubbles at some point in the future after the surface of this planet became uninhabitable for us. So it’s not a good thing if we prove capable of tapping ever more remote sources of fossil fuels. Our ideal source of energy would probably be solar. Extreme pessimism is probably justified though.

old69 February 2, 2012 at 7:45 am #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939
Amplify Random
Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in building in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 7:52 am #

E.
As to Asoka’s D. Portado post.
It seems A. was watching Rachel Maddow last night, as was I and she spent a rather long time discussing this parody stemming from
California Proposition 187 (1994) and Gov. Wilson.
This guy was making fun of the notion of Mexican illegals first having to go back to Mex before getting entrance back into the US, so he got into character and made up a group of willing Mexicans for their own deportation.
Many of Asoka’s interview were discussed in the segment.
See:
http://pocho.com/daniel-d-portado-tells-rachel-maddow-about-self-deportation/

old69 February 2, 2012 at 7:55 am #

“Every gas engine built by the majors is like a yawning stomach, an iron metabolism waiting to convert ancient sunlight to carbon dioxide. ”
Suck it up Busty: it is just Carbon Chemistry, nothing hard or fancy, alternatives to gasoline will come sooner or later, don’t worry. And stop being against Progress. And then with removable battery packs in electric cars, that could be a solution too. And then with many skyscrapers having stores and offices and plants and whatever on many different levels, you don’t even need a car, just an elevator to move people. And then the very market itself will take care of it gradually, if gas starts costing more Man will adapt, first smaller cars, then smaller living areas, and many many other solutions, etc.
You are just in love with your mental model, with your idea, just like JHK and other gloomsters and doomster that there are no solutions, that we are doomed, that nothing will be possible etc.
And I agree, technology has peaked in the sense that most large scale game changing inventions and applications are now here, not many new technologies will come on line anymore: but we can optimize them and especially change how life is organized (like in Skyscrapers instead of highways, like on Mars and such), we will adapt and go forward.
And stick a V8 engine in your brain, maybe you will learn something…
TOBOR AN APE

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 7:58 am #

I sent this to Gerald Celente yesterday:
Corzine-the Untouchable?
I got my “Mitts” on the Financial Times Companies and Markets section today to see Corzine’s mug on the cover.
Tomorrow there will be a congressional hearing where Michael Stockman MF Global’s chief risk officer will testify that he had warned on several occasions that the huge $6.3 Billion proprietary bet on Europe’s debt was too risky. He will also say that up until the end of the summer the bets looked to be acceptable. At that point they were in the $4 billion range, but then they started to deteriorate. The bets went up to $6 billion and just as it was too late the board of directors tried to act on it but it was too late.
Of course he has no knowledge of the $1.2 Billion in customer’s funds that disappeared as if in a magic puff of smoke….Now who’s going to tell us how that happened?

old69 February 2, 2012 at 7:59 am #

That was from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178031
AN EGGMAN

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 8:37 am #

Making Mr. Right cont.
Willard the Transformer
Oh everyone for the last 24 hrs have been weighing in on the Romney’s comments about not caring abou the very poor or the very rich.
Yes, as Willard has transformed into a conservative Republican, some wires seemed to get crossed and he went full tilt with these comments.
Well, it would seem that you just can’t take the liberal out of the Romney, but is this just a spin?
My, my my head is spinning. Who is this guy anyway?
One commenter last night put this thing in it’s real context. He says he will implement Ryan’s plan for deficit reduction and what would that be? Taking the meat cleavers to all the social safety nets that the very poor depend on. So inistead of plugging the holes in the nets, he will slash them more…
As for the very rich, Oh, they’re just fine and don’t need any of his help. Well, he wants to slash their taxes even more.
This guy needs to go back to the Republican robot chop shop and get his head re-tooled.

ozone February 2, 2012 at 9:16 am #

“What a fucking joke. For less than $100 million dollars, 7 years ago, they could have had a totally bulletproof, untamperable system using public key encryption access over the internet, for every voter – which allowed voters to verify their own votes later, and tallyers to recount without being able to see who voted for whom. It’s obvious they want it to be as kludge as possible – allows them easy access to vote fraud/rigging.” -Ix
Interesting that the APPEARANCE of “free and fair elections” is still maintained when there is very little evidence that it exists. But, as we’ve seen, the Oligarchs are extry careful about the veneer of legitimacy and “mandates” of the voters. “Hey, youse ijits voted these creeps into office; whadaya bitchin’ about?” The time looks ripe for the installation of further tyranny and oppression via “the peeples choice”. Count on it.
And personally, I don’t care if it takes MONTHS, and however many recounts you wanna count to tote up those hand-scratched paper ballots to determine the will-o-the-peeple. I say let’s really find out how stump-ass stupid [or not] the citizenry is! What’s the big secret? ;o)

ozone February 2, 2012 at 9:19 am #

“In this particular winter of our discontent, the wispiest nostrums and baldest lies will do. America is not interested in reality.” -JHK
Yeah… like that… what HE said.

DeeJones February 2, 2012 at 9:22 am #

“I have no doubt but that I am one of the Seven Samurai too.”
Oh, I thought it was one of the Seven Mental Dwarfs.
Better duck,theres a seagull flying over head.
😉
P.S., I have to disagree that I am one of the so-called “spewers of hate” here, such as Vlad, et al.
I like to use humor & sarcasm to reply to his hate.
Sorry if you don’t get it, you must be the other Mental Dwarfs…..
😉 HAVEANICEDAYNOW.

dale February 2, 2012 at 9:25 am #

OK, dale, watched it. Thanks for the recommendation.
I find myself agreeing with Patricio the shaman who emphasized the importance of “set and setting”
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I agree…I find it very interesting however.

8man February 2, 2012 at 9:29 am #

Amplify Random
Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in buildings in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.
AN EGGMAN

ozone February 2, 2012 at 9:36 am #

“It could be argued, of course that our governments are a vast unanimously right-wing coalition, but that doesn’t preclude subordinate conspiracies one iota.” -Wilson Pickett
I absolutely agree. While the right hand may not always know what the left hand is doing; it tends to all be in service to the “global agenda” of rapacious (and ultimately, suicidal) extraction for the benefit of a tiny few. I’m of the opinion that this will engender more completely disenfranchised persons who no longer have a fear of death to turn their minds to the cold topic of revenge. ‘Twas ever thus.
A choice between service to the Masters [of “disappearance”] or throwing a tiny wishbone to a skulking, murderous populace… Jeebus, what’s a politician, technocrat, bureaucrat, or military gov’t-teat-sucker to do?

dale February 2, 2012 at 9:44 am #

Cheerio BTW, doubt that I’ll be around here much for a good long while. Conversations increasingly just don’t interest me. have fun.

ozone February 2, 2012 at 9:47 am #

Germane to self-jiving.

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 9:58 am #

“Wrong. I’m not “under the radar””
You are totally under the tax (burden) radar. You owe no tax, so you don’t show up on tax debt radar!!!
I did that for about a decade. I never owed a cent to the feds, after the two years in ’98/99 that I payed 6 figure taxes (gotta love AMT). I finally managed to get my AMT “carryover credits” (~$38k) back after 9 years (I actually thought I’d never get it back). However, I have always owed a couple $hundred$ to the state, and ~$3 grand for property taxes, every year.
The past two years, I slowly but surely cashed out my IRA (4 more years to go) into I-Bonds and credit union CD’s, ending up at a total fed+state tax rate of 17.8% ($35K total dividends/interest/401k withdrawal – 12.2% fed, 5.6% state [state caps at 9%]). I really can’t complain, as that also includes the 10% immediate penalty on withdrawal before old-age *FOGEY* (60? 70?!…).
Had I worked the same job the past 14 years, I’d prolly have 10x+++ the assets I do now, and I’d be pulling $80k+ a year in dividends *ALONE*. Sh!t, I’d be like Mitt, lowballing $400k in lecture salary. Why did I quit, again?!…
Hahaha, oh I remember now – because at first I believed what I was doing was going to solve problems (computer microprocessors modeling climate change/etc) – but then I realized they were just 6-12 month usable items, that ended up in landfills at exponential growth rates. Just like the rest of the capitalistic sh!t – exponential out-of-control consumption/depletion of natural resources.
After taking classes in business administration, I learned that a business can be run, that generates “*0* profit”. And it can be run indefinitely, infinitely. The “*0* profit” business pays all costs – factory/utility/salary/materials, and provides a *REAL* product at the SAME TIME – $$$INFINITELY$$$. However, once there’s profit, above and beyond the total COGS, it can be taxed!!! ***OH NOES*** JOB CREATORS BEWARE!!! I jest, of course (read between the lines, maroons).
Poor Q and PoC/P2C. They died the death of 1,000 cuts. They knew they were too vested, yet they still feed from the trough. They are too old, or close-minded, to ever accept that their profits lead to others’ demise. It’s unfortunate, that. I still don’t understand it myself, but maybe when I hit 50 in 5 years I’ll be just as much of a curmudgeon…

ozone February 2, 2012 at 9:58 am #

“On the other hand, your longing for the by-gone days of duels inevitably leads to might makes right dynamic. And that dynamic is pregnant with endless opportunity for the bad guys.” -Buck
Well, (the rest of youses) guess whose utopian vision that might encapsulate? This would be slyly jiving the masses into submission with “field-of-honor” jive, from cammy-jammy jive artistes.

ozone February 2, 2012 at 10:04 am #

LOL!
Fine bit of research and archaeological perspicacity, Q.!
(Okay, it might be jive, but, in context, it’s FUNNY jive. ;o)

trippticket February 2, 2012 at 10:06 am #

Howdy Ozone, Dale, Dee, lbendet, and the rest of you clusterfuckers! Just wanted to drop off the link to my latest blog post, which is a reminder to join me in Columbus, GA, in 3 weeks for the annual Georgia Organics conference. We’re in a big transitional stretch right now, moving our operations from the collaborative family farm project in south Georgia to our own place – hopefully our home for good – in the north Georgia mountains. We won’t have internet access at the new place (hell, we won’t have running water at first), but I’m going to attempt to keep blogging about our natural building project over the next few years, as our permaculture shifts focus slightly toward the hardscape of our new system. Our first building will be a passive solar hybrid straw bale-cob workshop at the very top of the property to serve as the nerve center of the homestead. Water collection/passive heating, graywater cycling, and the only electricity (a tiny PV array) onsite will be part of this structure, where my family will live while the 4 of us settle into our new market routine and build our cob cottage together.
http://www.smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
Hope everyone is well.
Tripp

ozone February 2, 2012 at 10:10 am #

Ah! Addressing the self-jive of the “psychology of previous investment” (tm JHK). Very good.
*beeeeeep* -end transmission-

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 10:13 am #

Wanna know what’s seriously IRONIC? Really – do you? Cause if you do, I might tell you!!!
BWAHAHAHA!!!
OK sorry, mental lapse there, early morning and all, no coffee for 5 months… It’s seriously ironic that you can protest the health insurance industries, which have been raising their premiums 10-20% every year for the last decade, by simply not *BUYING THEIR SHIT*…
OOPS!!! Guess what – we are going to be required to *BUY THEIR SHIT*, very soon (1 or 2 years?)…
Quite Ironic, if I don’t say so , myself!
What I find even *MORE IRONIC* is that they always talks the sh!t about emergency room costs. I know many folks who have walked into hospitals, over the past 10 years, and received “emergency” treatment. Every single one of them got a bill from the hospital. And the few who didn’t pay, got hounded by collection agencies.
WHO IS THE FUCKING MORON CLAIMING TAXPAYERS PAY FOR EMERGENCY ROOM PATIENTS?!?

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 10:13 am #

Thanks, Tripp
What would be amazing is if you could do a youtube spot that I can direct my friends who are urban farmers or farmers in upstate NY and Maine.
They would love it and I’d love to watch too.

trippticket February 2, 2012 at 10:16 am #

I’m sure my presentation will be recorded. I’ll certainly post it on my blog in its entirety, and if I can cut out a few of the more coherent;) segments for YouTube spots, I’ll post them there, too. Thanks for the encouragement!

ozone February 2, 2012 at 10:21 am #

Tripp,
Thanks for the update; will check in!
All the Bestest with your projects…

ozone February 2, 2012 at 10:27 am #

Ps. One tip? Take a direct (hardwire) feed from the sound-board into the camera for some decent audio for a change! If that means placing the board nearer the back of the room, so be it; this is the way we get sound clarity: direct feed.
Ummmmm… hoping mics will be used. ;o)
*****end of recommendation*********

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 10:59 am #

Gret Tripp
Looking forward to seeing it! (and passing it along)

Buck Stud February 2, 2012 at 11:05 am #

I’m sorry Vlad, but as far as incorporating ‘duels’ into a society of laws, well, that’s just another one of your infantile musings braided with loophole after loophole of self-serving absurdity.
We should probably grow up(myself included;I responded to your post after all)and leave the silly past alone and between the covers of a book where it belongs.

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 11:28 am #

I knew you would make me LAUGH MY ASS OFF. Again.
Thankyou.

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 11:32 am #

And I was going to ask you how are things in Noo Yawk.
Does it cost a nominal egg (“an arm and a leg” to you non Noo Yawk people) to live there?

ozone February 2, 2012 at 11:32 am #

LB,
Off-topic, but deep and dark as the Marianas trench from Dr. Phil R., entitled “A Journey to the End of Empire”:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30414.htm
Couple slices for those link-no-go-ers…
“…to those who demand this of poets: that all ideas, notions, flights of imagination, revelries, swoons of intuition, Rabelaisian rancor, metaphysical overreach, unnerving apprehensions, and inspired misapprehensions be tamed, rendered practical, and only considered fit to be broached in reputable company when these things bring “concrete” answers to polite dialog–I ask you this, if the defining aspects of our existence were constructed of concrete, would not the world be made of the material of a prison?”
The Totalitarian’s wet-dream.
And this:
“As exhibited by the often bland, “normal” outward appearance of a serial killer, when the apologists and operatives of an exploitive, destructive system appear to be reasonable, they can go about their business without creating general alarm. By the same token, while many present day Republicans are zealots–barnburners raving into the flames of the conflagrations created by the militarist/national security/police/prison industrial state–Barack Obama and the Democratic Party serve as normalizers of the pathologies of late empire.
In this manner, atrocious acts can be committed by the state, with increasing frequency, because, over the passage of time, such outrages will have been allowed to pass into the realm of the mundane, and are thus bestowed with a patina of acceptability.”
Ouch! Goes for more than party-line Goopers and Demos, in these benighted days of the unending eclipse. “The Folks” are desperate for s’kure’dy above all, and all ELSE be damned. Careful what you wish for…
(Sorry for the long post.)

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 11:40 am #

I seem to remember that JPMorgan got their mitts on that 1.2 billion in customer dough.
Maybe they figured that possession being nine tenths that they’d take a chance at scoffing it.
I mean a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

I read Jocelyn Elder’s autobiography. She is my heroine for saying that horny teenagers deprived of sexual partners should masturbate. Right wingers screamed and Bill Clinton promptly fired her.
One interesting thing about her and her family.
Her brother, an educated, talented man, was murdered by a low life.
The entire family refused to go along with vengeance, saying that they were opposed to the death penalty. They supported life in prison, instead.

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

“psychology of previous investment”
I just wanted to challenge the 6-fig stalkaz (‘sif they didn’t nail my IP address immediately). A puzzle, of sorts. Who was it, that payed $200K+ in fed taxes, in 1998/1999? Who was it, that had an “ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX carryover credit” of $38K? I knew they had my ass by the IP, but I joshed them with my puzzle…
Has anyone seen what they’re doing in Boston, laying a new interstate *UNDER* the city? I caught some of it – 17 years into the project, 20 more years to go, 5+ years behind projections, $billions$ over the original bid, and ***VERY NARROW LANES*** (3 lanes tops, from what I saw). Now there’s some *PREVIOUS INVESTMENT* (tm JHK) for U to ponder…

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

Talk about pulling things out of your hat!
I’m from LA, remember? And high speed chases were not allowed.
But you’ve already stated very clearly that you don’t think that privileged people should have to follow the law.
Bankers can loot. Police can speed and assault people.
Just keep those black people away from you. You’ve done enough! And you’re using asoka as your sock puppet, although you’ve said before that you don’t think he’s black.
So you don’t think he’s black, but you’re using his words as representative of black people. Nice.
I ran across a real black person’s words on payment. Check it out.
http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/316-20/9746-a-letter-from-a-former-slave

Eleuthero February 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

More Double-Speak From Mister Bernanke
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Old Helicopter Ben is telling the Congress to be mindful of the debt … but don’t cut TOO much now. It’s okay to run trillion dollar annual deficits for a few more years, Uncle Ben avers.
Remember the price of oil during the TARP era in 2008? It was $38 a barrel. Check it out. Bernanke is inflating the speculative sector of the economy (commodities, stocks) while consumer economic health numbers are essentially unchanged to worse.
Can’t this guy do ARITHMETIC? If people ain’t making mo’ money and the largest percentage of the population in TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS ain’t in the workforce, and it costs more to buy food, heat your house, gas up your car, and insure your family … how does he get away with this idea that perpetual stimulus WORKS?
The ONLY economic thinker with a positive idea is Nouriel Roubini whose thinking is basically that we might as well engage in a “Manhattan Project” on American infrastructure. Sure, the debts will be staggering but at least we’ll have a modern electric grid, modern urban plumbing, and lots of fixed bridges and levees. And all of those projects will employ people which will create revenues at all levels of government. A little pride will replace despair.
What amazes me most of all is that the few anti-Fed people in Congress are generally REPUBLICANS?? How can this be?? How can a bank that is destroying working people, discouraging saving and encouraging speculation, and keeping aloft the worst stewards of capital since Mississippi Company be immune from examination or reproach?
Write Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul to revitalize the vote on auditing the Fed. If we don’t, we’ll all be Chinese peasants in another ten years? Exaggeration? Well look how fast we got from the “Greatest Economy in the Universe” in 2000 to where we are now where people, towns, counties, states … are all broke.
Something like six of the 50 states are solvent.
The Fed is “Patient Zero” in the greatest incurable “virus” ever spread.
E.

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

Good post Ozone and so true.
I’m not just attacking the Repugs, but they are so far out there, discussing the no competition transnational and bank-run markets as the free market–it’s just too outrageous for words and their campaign is a flagrant steamrolling back past the 20th century–(no birth control too) it’s hard to believe why anyone would vote for these guys–their message goes in 5 directions at once.
The Demos are working for the same global power mongers, but, yeah, they have a much more subtle approach. Either way you’re screwed–the question is are you a tad less screwed by the Demos?
——
Rhino, yeah JP Morgan Chase was first in line for MFGlobal funds. They needed to be paid back. What I was saying is what was the MECHANISM for taking client money and who who was instrumental in doing so (EXACTLY)?
So far our neo-royalty in this global kleptocracy Corzine looks untouchable.
You gotta recognize at a certain point that there is no national anymore, that’s why nothing gets done here, it’s all about the global economic system with the US/GB financial hegemony at the fore.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

Which official storyline, Rhino?
There have been multiple storylines, some directly contradictory to others.
It took 7 years for NIST to come up with a report on WTC 7.
Does that inspire trust in their coherence?
I did answer your question as to why Arabs would sacrifice their lives for a cause. I say that they didn’t.
You are apparently unable to process that.
And I still call you on using the racism card as irrelevant.
Nobody sacrificed their lives, in my opinion. Their lives were sacrificed by others, without their approval. And the reason was to enable the endless war and repression that we have seen for the last 10 years.

progress2conserve February 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

ummm, Wage?
“Los Angeles has become the world capital of police car chases, with more than 700 pursuits reported in the city last year, most of them offering hours of live television coverage.”
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/27/1046064169270.html?oneclick=true
Referenced webpage is dated 2003.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

Hi, SNAFU. I actually agree with you that most humans prefer a strongman. And that most humans accept whatever they are told, if told if an authoritative way.
I also know that Ron Paul is not in agreement with my opinions. However, of the Republicans, he’s far and away the best. They’re all right wing, hateful, nasty people. But Ron Paul stands against empire and for individual rights. That’s why I want him to win the Republican nomination. I want Obama to face an anti-empire candidate in the debates.
It won’t happen, of course. The voting machines are fixed and the plan is to have Obama seem like the voice of reason next to some raving Republican. I’m guessing that they won’t let Jill Stein into the debates.
Then the two corporate candidates will try to outdo each other praising American freedom and democracy. Ha!
http://www.jillstein.org/

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

Wow! You’ve been busy working on your blog. It looks and reads great.
And thank you for linking to my blog. I’d better get busy adding to it!

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

A couple of days ago I got into a big argument on Facebook.
One of my right wing friends posted about how tough her life was, and how she was struggling… and how much she hated people on welfare who had it better!
Then a bunch of her friends chimed in. One was totally pissed off that people who had earned income credits took their tax refunds and bought big screen TVs.
So I pointed out that the 1% were doing a lot better than people on welfare, or people who earned so little that they got earned income refunds.
One person responded to me and said that, yes, she knew that the 1% made much more, but she still hated those people who go to WalMart and buy beer with their LINK cards.
Everyone else just ignored my posts, as if they were invisible, while they spewed their hate for those who make less money.
Don’t they know that the 1% look at their $30,000/year the same way they look at the people making $15,000/year?
That they are scum to the rich, the way the poor are scum to them?
By the way, Democracy Now had an interview with Josh Fox, who got arrested yesterday for using his First Amendment rights. (That you linked to).
They showed the Democrat on the committee who objected. He referred to the handcuffing and arrest as “removal from the room”.
Well. Is that what they will call it, when we are removed to detention camps?
Oh, yeah. That’s traditional. Did they call the genocide of Native Americans “Indian Removal?”
They also had a segment on the attack on Planned Parenthood.
First force poor people to have kids, then scorn them for having kids that they can’t afford.
It’s a win-win situation for the right wing.

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

“After taking classes in business administration, I learned that a business can be run, that generates “*0* profit”. And it can be run indefinitely, infinitely. The “*0* profit” business pays all costs – factory/utility/salary/materials, and provides a *REAL* product at the SAME TIME – $$$INFINITELY$$$.”
Will this concept *EVER* sink in – or am I still Karl Marx CAPITAL’izing?!?
Why ?NOT? just run businesses to pay salaries and COGS? Why go the IPO/exponential profit route? I’m so sick, and so sad…
Oh I know, because we can make up bogus Credit Default Swaps (CDS), and Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDO). And puts/calls/shorts/etc… OK, *GOTCHA!* Where do I get my *HEALTH INSURANCE* again (from the same banksters/brokerage firms that will buy up all the facebook IPO stocks at 1X, and sell them the same day for 4-5X)…

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

You are so right, Ozone. They will conduct these farcical elections long after Americans have lost their ability to drive to the polling booths, or their electricity to watch the TV commercials.
And they’ll use some of the last diesel to drive big trucks past the homeless camps, with blaring loudspeakers telling the huddled masses that they deserve their fate. Having voted for it, and all.

progress2conserve February 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

“But you’ve already stated very clearly that you don’t think that privileged people should have to follow the law.
Bankers can loot. Police can speed and assault people.”
-wage-
You are saying that because police speed and assault people, criminals should not be apprehended.
And you are saying that because Bankers loot, the rule of law should be suspended for all crimes, even violent crimes.
Come on, Wage. Two wrongs make a right? This isn’t even kindergarten level logic.
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And check my 12:22 post. Maybe the LAPD pursuit policy was changed between 1992 and 2003 to be MORE liberal. That seems unlikely to me, but I’ll wait for your proof of what the policy was in 1992.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

Thank you, Ix.
I, too, am outraged by the claims that taxpayers pay for uninsured people who visit the emergency room.
That is a lie. That is not true. They are hounded for money, and the government doesn’t pay for them. What’s more, the uninsured pay higher prices, because the insurance companies bargain for discount rates with the hospital.
But, as we’ve pointed out before, if you repeat a lie often enough, people believe it.
Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

No, I’m saying that the law should apply equally to the rich and the poor.
And I’m saying that the rich cause more damage than the poor.
And I’m saying that the open lawlessness of the rich leads to more lawlessness among the poor, and that the poor should not be prosecuted while the rich go free.
And, as I recall, you simply asserted that it was legal for the police to conduct high speed chases in 1992.
It was legal for police to conduct high speed chases. It was legal for police to conduct high speed chases. etc.

lbendet February 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

Wage,
when I was in high school the big meme was the welfare queen. Yes, these folks on welfare tricked the social workers into thinking they had dozens of kids.
They would borrow kids from other families when the social worker came by and would get more money to cover their costs.
One wonders whether there was one case that got blown out of proportion into thousands of these cases, just like the red herring of voter fraud is used today.
Playing on jealousy of others who are getting special treatment is a good way to create divisions, so people can’t build a coherent approach to their problems.
I always say that whatever the Repugs say about others is what they are doing and talking about dividing Americans—now listen to what they say, ’cause its a projection of their own agenda.

charliefoxtrot February 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

@ wage & rhino: have either of you ever googled ‘loose change’? i looked it up recently; it was still available…it goes through point by point, and shows the interview with the guy who just previous to the attack had leased the buildings- he said, in discussing building 7, “we pulled it…” that is a term from demolition, referring to pulling the switch; which is a bald-faced admission of guilt…watch the video whether you already believe the official story or not; it is eye-opening…and if you add what has been learned since about the commission, and nano-particles of thermite, it presents a pretty powerful case for some kind of cover-up; if not outright conspiracy…i know some of you are allergic; i personally wouldn t put ANYthing past a govt that produced a bush, a dick, and a colin in power…i m just sayin’…

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

Nobody sacrificed their lives, in my opinion. Their lives were sacrificed by others, without their approval. – WL
So what are you saying, that the airliners were flown by remote control?
About the storyline: young Arab/Muslim men hijacked the airliners and flew them into buildings for the glory of Allah and the cause of Islam and to give Uncle Sam a good kick in the balls. Nothing all that complicated. This basic account fits into the context of world events wouldn’t you say? It would be consistent with how hated the US was/is in the world and especially in the Muslim world. No?
BTW: Do you know any Muslims? Did you see their body language and demeanor in the days following 9/11? They saw it as a big score for Team Islam. Never mind their obligatory verbiage ie that it was deplorable, Islam is a religion of peace etc. To be fair many said it was deplorable BUT the US had it coming in spades… Did you see the exultation, the happiness? They were practically floating around in a state of bliss. And I know non Muslims that said the US had it coming…

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

I don’t have medical insurance.
My husband cut his leg with a chainsaw a few years ago. I took him to the ER, but they were really busy and ignored us.
So, I found an empty room, triaged him, got a doctor to suture him, with me assisting, bandaged him up and took him home.
They charged us $850 for the visit, but, what REALLY pissed me off was that they charged us $350 for “nursing care”.
I called and complained, since I was being charged for my own labor.
The person on the other end of the phone was unsympathetic, uncaring and unhelpful.
We had to pay the entire bill, including the $350 for what I did. And I was amazed that the hospital charged so much for my labor, since they certainly do not pay me anywhere near that price.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

Yes, Phil’s got it just right.
The Repubs get wilder and wilder, and more and more hateful, so that Obama looks like the rational one, as the security apparatus tightens around us, and the war machine rolls on.

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

CFT
Let’s say that they “pulled it” as you say. And like you I would put very little past the gang that runs the show. After all they gutted the US economy for the sake of CEO bonuses, they invaded Iraq for who knows what reason (I don’t buy that it was about oil, I think it was probably about showing whose dick is bigger)
The thing is those jets didn’t fly themselves into those buildings. If it wasn’t Arabs or Muslims that jacked those planes then who was it?
Because whoever did it died with the passengers and people in the buildings. How do you motivate those guys to sacrifice their own lives?

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

Actually, I hadn’t seen that link when I answered you before.
But all your link proves is that the LAPD continues to risk people’s lives by indulging in high speed chases.
It doesn’t prove that it’s legal.
I distinctly remember that outcry over dead bystanders led to a ban on high speed chases decades ago.
If the police are ignoring the law, well, what a surprise. That just proves my point.

8man February 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

As an example, all places have the Standard International buildings, boxes, midrises, suburb houses and such. But many cities have a structure where everyplace, every street or corner has a signature, is different from any other street or combination (in same city) as opposed to others that are very monotonous like London. Tokyo or Seoul or Paris have each place and street with a signature, London most places are the same style houses so very few signature.

8man February 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=177939

Rhino February 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

WL
Just out of curiosity if you were Iranian living in the nasty neighborhood that Iranians live in what would you do?
Israel is nuclear armed, so is Paksitan, so is India, so is the USA. Syria took a stab at it and then Israel sent some jets…
Iran has a whole lotta oil. How do you defend it?
If you were Iranian would you feel you were under threat from the USA? And never mind the USA.
What about China? They’ve been as busy as bees building themselves a blue water navy. What do you suppose they’d use that capability for?
If I was Iranian I’d build me some nukes. R.F.N.

IxNoMor February 2, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

I swear, you must be my 70+ year-old match-made in heaven…
You and me, we’re the same (ahahaha! Falling Down/Michael Douglas!)
Let’s be fair – you’re my grandmother! Or *something*. Who cares about this trivial shit?
Deep Secrets? Offshore tax havens reducing tax funds by 70%. Crooked CEO bastards in Nebraska in 1996 winning elections with their corporate ES&S voting booths./.

jackieblue2u February 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

Hi Wagelaborer.
Yes it is ME.
maybe more upset than usual last week.
it’s me tho.
i will check out your blog now.
i am not around that much. too busy with life
in general, caregiving for hubby. etc.
reading books is easier on my eyes. still love this site tho.
even tho the old gang is gone.
i also miss CASH and others.
🙂

metuselah February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

i personally wouldn t put ANYthing past a govt that produced a bush, a dick, and a colin in power…i m just sayin’…
==
Heheh. So true.

jackieblue2u February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm #

THANK YOU for speaking up about Monsanta.
I read Vandava Shivas book years ago.
more control over us. it’s all about control and $$$.
will read your blog later today, i went there and see it will take awhile.
JB

metuselah February 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

Iran has a whole lotta oil. How do you defend it?
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Iran has excellent natural defenses. Its mountainous geography makes it ideal for defense. There’s no way either Pakistan or India can mount a land attack on Iran. Same regards China.
The big threat to Iran is/was Russia. But Russia can barely defend itself, let alone invade Iran.
The US is the only viable threat to Iran. And on this front, Iran can make it so expensive for the US, that it just doesn’t make sense to use military force against Iran. The only option that’s left for the US is economic warfare, with China being the real winner since it would benefit from lower Iranian oil prices.
Btw, having said all that, nuclear power is the most expensive option for generating electricity today. The only reason to build a nuclear power plant today is to be able to harvest material for nuclear weapons.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

Yeah, Marlin and ctemple constantly berate progressives for supposedly showing contempt for the working class.
Ha! I guess they’ve never heard the contempt that right wing Republicans show for those less fortunate.
Yesterday, I went to work and three of the people on the Facebook thread were there. Two of them are Iraqi war veterans, and two of them are married to prison guards. I don’t know about the third one, but there aren’t a lot of other jobs around here.
Anyway, I was a little uncomfortable, because I knew that they read my comments, even if they ignored them.
But, one of them had me roaring with laughter pretty quickly, as she described the “cracker” she’d had earlier. Yep, nothing but contempt for the white woman on her 5th pregnancy, and her stupidity.
My favorite, she asked the woman if she was ever short of breath, and the woman answered, no, she shit regularly.

charliefoxtrot February 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

well, it is entirely possible that the planes did fly themselves, by remote control; or that arabs were involved, or that substitute planes- again, drones- were used…one thing i remember from the video is that the flight number, i think from pensylvania, showed up at a nasa installation…look, spend an hour watching loose change; all these questions and more are addressed…what i know personally is that when i watched those buildings fall, at 9.8 m/s/s, after rows of explosions puffed out the sides, i was watching a demolition occur…incontrovertable, undeniable, and it doesn t matter to me what happened prior: whether it was arabs or martians, it was a deliberate implosion that could not have happened without weeks or months of planning and preparatory execution…nobody wants to believe it because it draws into question our entire belief system and trust in govt…

charliefoxtrot February 2, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

i vaguely remember a doc on pbs that i saw a few years ago about an indian physicist who successfully fought a patent application in world courts for neem oil, which was used by her villagers, and others for centuries before them, for medicine…must have been the same woman i thought she was fantastic, and more power to her!

Vlad Krandz February 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

I grant you that it’s debatable, but I don’t see the reason for your extreme rudeness. Silly past? Yeah, right. They used to have duels way back when we had a real civilization. Like most people, you’re entranced by the familiar – the “normal” as good. That leads to nothing but degredation because then there is no standard and the Elite can just keep pushing the envelope ever so slowly or based on the problems they themselves have created.
You probably think it’s normal for women to focus on their careers in their 20’s and 30’s and then look for a husband to have kids with in their 40’s. Why not? It’s normal right? The Doctors lied to these poor schmuckettes – told them what they wanted to hear, that it was “possible”. Real Civilization would ask woman to have their children first and then do the other stuff. But that’s monstrous right? You need to try and combine your imagination with your intellect. Without the imagination, the intellect can only be second rate.

Vlad Krandz February 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

Neem Karoli Baba threw down a whole bunch of LSD hits. He broke into a light sweat and that’s about it. After a while he said that things like that were used long ago in the Kulu Valley. He didn’t condemn it completely, but said that only the stable should take them and then with care. And that they bring on a simalacrum or imitation of the real mystical experience but not the real thing.
I assume that they stimulate the physical aspect of the chakras in the brain and encocrine system in the same or similar way as actual spiritual experience would. Rudi said that he knew a man who used to combine kundalini yoga with psychedelics and after one such trip he didn’t come back. Unwise perhaps. But he said that the kama of dying while doing sadhana was good beyond all imagining.

Vlad Krandz February 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

Russia and Iran are allies – unfortunately for Israel and the New World Order.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

Oh, OK, I get it.
You believe the official story because you only pay attention to the one line version. You totally ignore the inconsistencies, the evidence and the controversy.
Muslims bad. Muslims kill people.
Ugh believes.
As far as remote controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, that was the plot of a movie shown on Fox in February of 2001. Only in the movie, the pilots were conscious and managed to get control of the planes right before they hit the towers.
There were 8 burly pilots of those planes that day, well trained and ex-military.
Yet we are told that a few young men armed with boxcutters managed to overcome these pilots, and that not one of the 8 pilots fought back or even hit the hijacking code.
And that none of the air traffic controllers thought of notifying the military that planes were flying off course, although there were hundreds of interceptions in the years before and after.
Oh, that’s right. You’re not interested in anything but- Muslims bad. Muslims kill people.

Vlad Krandz February 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

The Vatican not only wrote the Talmud, now they wrote the Koran as well. Wage actually believes that the United States caused all Muslim Jihads even a thousand years ago. Now that’s power.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

Yes, it does make sense.
Maybe that’s why the US has been warning that Iran is 5 years away from building a bomb since 1979.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84
Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Buck Stud February 2, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

Extreme rudeness? Well I do apologize if that’s the case. But in my defense, I’m a little bit stunned by your recent accquisition of a glass jaw. The Vlad I used to know could take a punch.
A seperate nation for whites, the cultural reinstatement of duels – this does not qualify as intelligent imagination; it’s pure delusional fantasy. Can you see the distinction?

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

Hi Jackie. Nice to hear from you.
I think that Rhino may be Cash, but asoka points out some differences.

Vlad Krandz February 2, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

You could be right but you ruin it by extolling Islam as a Religion of Peace. In other words, they may not have done it, but they would have if they could. You talk as if they never engage in terrorism or like the Koran itself doesn’t glorify dying as a Martyr for Islam.
The Jihad against the West was due for a return even if Israel had never been created. That’s just what Islam does when it is strong. Look at the Phillipines: they never did anything to Muslims yet the Muslims intend to take the Islands by force – and of course, voluntary conversions.

wagelaborer February 2, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

You’ve never heard me extol any religion, Vlad.
Short of breath much?

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