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Whatever the Democratic Party is infected with may be worse than covid-19. The symptoms presented point to a rare illness known as kuru. By now, we all understand that diseases easily jump between continents in this era of incessant air travel. The National Institutes of Health’s MedlinePlus bulletin has this to say about it:

Kuru is found among people from New Guinea who practiced a form of cannibalism in which they ate the brains of dead people as part of a funeral ritual. This practice stopped [allegedly] in 1960, but cases of kuru were reported for many years afterward because the disease has a long incubation period…. Kuru causes brain and nervous system changes similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease… bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), also called mad cow disease. The main risk factor for kuru is eating human brain tissue, which can contain the infectious particles.

Does this account for the public’s preoccupation with Zombies? Is something deeply sinister roiling in the dark interstices of American life? The public still doesn’t know for sure what was going on in the congressional SCIF chamber (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) deep in the Capitol’s sub-basement back in January, where Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) was busy spirit-cooking impeachment testimony. Was something else bubbling away on his Coleman stove down there? Say, a fricassee of Jeffrey Epstein’s frontal lobes? Did Nancy Pelosi come back for seconds? Her subsequent behavior implicates acute kuru infection, the inappropriate laughter, slurred speech, tardive dyskinesia, paranoia.

Healthline.com reports:

The name kuru means ‘to shiver’ or ‘trembling in fear.’ The symptoms of the disease include muscle twitching and loss of coordination. Other symptoms include difficulty walking, involuntary movements, behavioral and mood changes, dementia, and difficulty eating. The latter can cause malnutrition. Kuru has no known cure. It’s usually fatal within one year of contraction.

See how this neatly corresponds to the 2020 campaign, nomination, and election cycle. That is, the symptoms will become more pronounced as the year rolls out, culminating with a cluster of fatalities in early November. Election fatalities, that is, and then perhaps the death of the old party itself. Signs and omens abound.

Note, for example, the op-ed column Thursday by New York Times regular Gail Collins.

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Some analysts might simply see a pooch-faced old biddy exuding the vapors of smuggery, but a trained diagnostician would detect prodromes of kuru in the unnatural squint and the inappropriate expression of mirth, considering the grave subject of the op-ed is a high-order threat to global stability, surely no laughing matter.

Manifestations of kuru were clearly evident in this week’s Democratic candidates’ debate. Joe Biden has been obviously ill for months — though I suspect he remains in the contest solely to avoid being deposed for his money-laundering activities in Ukraine while vice-president. Mr. Biden shocked the nation Tuesday night, declaring that roughly half the US population, 150 million people, died as a result of gun violence last year. Wow, and nobody noticed? That would be an event comparable to “the Rapture,” and yet somehow the mainstream media missed the story — though, let’s face it, they do miss an awful lot these days. In another strange incident, Mr. Biden introduced himself as a “candidate for the senate.” Is there some law against running for two political offices simultaneously? Did The Washington Post check with the Delaware Board of Elections? Or is the former veep just hallucinating?

Judging by his utterances, Bernie Sanders appears to be another advanced case. (Let’s be honest, he’s presented symptoms of kuru for decades.) This week, they were especially florid in the irrepressible rhapsodizing over Fidel Castro and the achievements of his regime in advancing Cuban literacy. One wonders how many Cuban-American voters in Dade County, Florida, read about that on their Apple news-feed. Did Bernie’s campaign staff tell him that he didn’t need Florida to win the election, or are they infected, too? Advice to Bernie Bros and sundry supporters: if you attend any of the Super Tuesday meet-and-greets for the candidate, avoid the chopped liver canapes. They may be somebody’s medulla oblongata.

Even Mike Bloomberg seemed to have something wrong with him, as when he virtually bragged to a national TV audience that he paid $50-million to “buy” the 2018 Democratic Party midterm election victory. There’s a sound-bite he’ll never recover from! But my diagnostician’s eye suspects another little known and exotic disorder: latah, defined in Wikipedia as follows:

      Latah…. [A] condition in which abnormal behaviors result from a person experiencing a sudden shock…. Latah is considered a culture-specific startle disorder…. Similar conditions have been recorded within other cultures and locations. For example, there are the so-called Jumping Frenchmen of Maine, imu among women of the Ainu people of Japan, mali-mali or silok among Filipinos, and bat-schi among Thais. Persons with latah make movements reminiscent of behaviors normally peculiar to certain childhood developmental stages. The person is unlikely to remember anything occurring during the episode.

Having to suffer the aspersions of all those kuru sufferers lined up against him behind their podiums, Mr. Bloomberg apparently snapped. Washington DC is a hot zone for many poorly understood diseases of the mind. Perhaps the White House corona virus team can spare a few NIH clinicians to look into these troubling matters.

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628 Responses to “Hey, It’s Not Just Corona Virus”

  1. Lawfish February 28, 2020 at 10:00 am #

    Very amusing piece! I thought for sure today’s post would be about the long-awaited crash in the stock market. Looks like it may be the big one we’ve been waiting for for many years now.

    • Daddyotis February 28, 2020 at 10:34 am #

      Don’t disagree. It’s already out-crashed the beginning of the wild gesticulations of the 2007-2008 killing field. Interesting that gold price is crashing simultaneously along with it (this morning, anyway). One might expect stocks & gold prices to be inversely proportional in this sort of thing.

      Who knows? Everyone’s the expert until a black swan actually happens. It is then that we become acutely aware of the “holes in our preps”.

      • gonetohell February 28, 2020 at 11:11 pm #

        You’e likely the only person left, at least in the U.S., that doesn’t know the price of gold is manipulated downward by central banks and naked shorting(paper gold). Can’t have folks like yourself losing faith in their paper assets.

    • shotho February 28, 2020 at 10:50 am #

      Yes, the column was a bit silly. I, too, thought that the title of the article would be about the fact that whatever’s happening, the virus is probably the catalyst, not the cause. The cause being the vast amounts of bad debt that’s been accumulating in the vaults of the world’s central banks and is now being exposed as worthless. Black swans aborning!

    • gonetohell February 28, 2020 at 11:05 pm #

      Maybe someone should inform Kunstler that the White House has no ” corona virus team as he felt it unneeded. His answer to this particular pandemic is Mike Pence. If a similar move had been made by Obama the kunstler flowery ridicules would be flying. Putting Pence in charge was a move he was forced to make as he felt the CDC was unimportant. You know, like early childhood development, affordable healthcare and college educations for those not in the top 1%. It is funny that Kunstler’s entire first paragraph fits dear president Trump to a t. Luckily Kunstler is not suffering from something so exotic as kuru. He’s most assuredly suffering from run-of-the-mill senility headed for full blown alzheimer’s disease.

      • chipshot February 29, 2020 at 6:03 am #

        I’m perplexed and irritated by JHK’s constant Bernie bashing.
        Don’t understand why he continuously criticizes the best candidate this country has had in decades, perhaps ever. All Bernie’s policies are to the benefit of the majority of Americans, something we haven’t had in a politician since FDR.

        • UN OUT OF USA February 29, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

          How is taking away 150 million American’s private health insurance so they can wait in long lines for government provided rationed healthcare “to the benefit of the majority of Americans”? WHY exactly do all the world’s elites come to the USA for healthcare if it needs replacing?? How is taking away our 2A right “to the benefit of the majority of Americans”? How is changing our capitalist system into a communist system (“socialist” my ass) “to the benefit of the majority of Americans”? And to do all of this “fundamental changing of America” at the cost tens of trillions of dollars that we don’t have, how is that “to the benefit of the majority of Americans”? Bernie bro, you should have your doctor check YOU for kuru. There is definitely something wrong with your brain.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 7:52 am #

            “And to do all of this “fundamental changing of America” at the cost tens of trillions of dollars that we don’t have”

            You don’t have it because you’re paying twice what any equivalent western country is paying for healthcare, perhaps.

            I can understand that people choose a particular style of healthcare provision – that’s about personal and political preference. But I don’t get when they say they can’t afford a different kind of system when their own system is the most expensive and most wasteful in the world. Thirty-one percent of the money you spend on ‘healthcare’ in the US isn’t spent on healthcare at all, but on a parasitic bureaucracy of insurance companies and financial scams.

            All of which you’re welcome to if you like your system, but it’s mad to say you can’t afford a different system when you’re already spending way over the odds for the one you have.

          • chipshot March 1, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

            Don’t suppose you watch Fox much. If you listen to Bernie directly, instead of what others say about Bernie, you might have a different view.

            Why do right wingers often get personal in their criticism of those they disagree with? And so angry??

          • gonetohell March 1, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

            UN OUT OF USA……

            How big of a moron do you have to be to believe there are 150 million people in this country with great private insurance that they just love. Consider this my moronic Foxbot, 66.5% of all bankruptcies are tied to medical costs. 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy ANNUALLY because of medical bills and issues. Millions of those 150 million private plans come with high deductibles and out of pocket expenses that renew each year. High deductibles and max out of pockets destroy family finances in a blink of an eye. Not to mention that if you lose your job or get too sick to work, you have NO protection from profiteering drug companies, hospitals and medical service providers. Medicare for all is what makes sense. I couldn’t care less how many billionaires, able to afford our outrages health care costs, fly to the U.S for health care. So the very wealthy and their families survive and thrive and the rest go bankrupt and die. And idiots like yourself call that a good system.

  2. K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:02 am #

    Kuru is not something you catch. It is a consequence of eating people. Hence it is an equal opportunity disease that all politicians can come down with. Paper masks won’t stop the spread.

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 10:26 am #

      Some guy named Lecter said a nice Chianti and some fava beans helped ward off the evil humors, if I recall correctly. Don’t remember him saying anything at all about wearing a mask, at least in that context.

    • fugeguy February 28, 2020 at 10:34 am #

      Since I suspect eating in spirit counts too the politicians have all been consuming the constituents for years.

      Jim is on to something here…

    • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

      Mad cow disease is from eating beef brains, same0 same0.

      • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

        Or possibly meat scraped off or near the spinal cord, allegedly.

        Mechanically Recovered Meat is an unappetising term I recall from the crisis. Yuk.

        • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

          When I was growing up on rare occasions my family ate cow brains. It was considered a special treat. Little did we know.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 7:57 am #

            Tongue was as far as it got in our family as far as bovine heads were concerned and that was gross enough. I can still see the thing coiled in a pan with a plate and a weight on it to shape it into something you could slice when it was cooked – aarrgghhh…

            Cow cheeks seem to be a thing at the moment, but they look quite normal when cooked.

          • hmuller March 1, 2020 at 11:28 am #

            I thought nothing could scare or gross out a haggis eater.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

            Haggis is delicious. I have some in the freezer and was just thinking about having some for my supper. Haven’t had any for years. 🙂

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

            Have you tried andouillettes in France, hm? Way more challenging than haggis, but delicious if done in white wine and well grilled. Best not to ask what’s in it, though.

  3. JustSaying February 28, 2020 at 10:05 am #

    Much needed humor for a very grim reality.

    I don’t think we have the brains to deal with this new virus, but I still don’t understand the panic when the normal flu kills hundreds of thousands globally every year.

    But I do think it will bring down The Donald, and maybe the old Dems too! Only CIAPete will survive.

    • JustSaying February 28, 2020 at 10:08 am #


      Under the U.S. medical system testing will be expensive for the patients. Insurances may not pay for it. Many people will be unable or unwilling to spend money on it. Care for serious cases will also be limited by high prices. This guarantees that the virus will spread further. China was smart enough to guarantee 100% state coverage for testing and all necessary care. The U.S. should follow that principle but is unlikely to do so.

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:11 am #

        Pence has been named queen of corona. He does not believe in climate change or science but think positive. He is here to help.

        • JustSaying February 28, 2020 at 10:12 am #

          Trump has decided that he is a good fall guy!

          • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:33 pm #


            …since waaaayyy before any of the unwashed masses ever received a clue.

            Party time, all you walking dead people.


        • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 10:33 am #

          Pence has just achieved his highest calling: being a ceremonial fall guy for the greatest con artist in the history of the world. And the greatest thing about it is that he doesn’t have to actually say or do anything. Rest assured, he won’t.

          That said, there’s probably not all that much that can be done at this point, other than let the thing play itself out. No vaccine anywhere in sight, nor will one be widely affordable when it finally arrives. The contagion is already pretty much out of the barn, so other than telling everyone to stay home and quit circulating among each other – which ain’t gonna happen regardless – there’s not all that much to be done at this point.

        • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:30 am #

          Be honest kdog you don’t know what he believes.
          To say someone does not believe in Climate change is dishonest at best and an out right lie at most.
          To say the earths climate has not changed would be foolish.
          Thank God it does change or we would all be freezing our asses of with mile high glaciers all over North America.
          What MANY believe is why it’s changing or that mankind has helped it along and misdiagnosing the why man has helped it along.
          As far as Science goes it’s never settled and what we knew to be “true” from science changes so what was scientific fact 100 years ago is not “true” today and in 100 years many scientific facts will probably be over turned.

          Just because you dislike Pence for his Religious beliefs does not mean the guy is a moron nor does it mean you are somehow more intelligent or have you finger on the pulse of the truth.

          • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 11:58 am #

            You want honesty Ok. If someone called me a denier or someone who did not believe in climate change or science and it were true I’d be all over their shit.

            The only reason I would not be all over their shit is if I was a closet believer who was putting out an opposite message BECAUSE MY SOCIAL POSITION DEPENDS ON IT.

            Money is not the root of all evil. Using it to buy social position is the evil.

            In a meritocracy not controlled by plutocratic overlords our president would look to the CDC for leadership but Trump can’t do that and is instead ‘Pensive. Trump exists to shut down government and grease the skids of profit. Having the CDC in charge goes against Trumps grain. Cutting the CDC budget by 16% in 2021 as he has done goes with the Trump golden flow. The flow of gold from Washington in a new wave of privatization and enrichment of the rich.

            But we all know that had Trumpsky known about corona he would have only cut the CDC by a few percent this time around. And since he could have, in another world, been a nice guy his supporters give him a pass for this stupidity because in this world they are making out bigtime.

            And a CDC won’t be any good for anything anyway once people go to Mars.

          • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

            Even if it were “settled science”, which it isn’t, it would not necessarily follow that the money for “Africa” in the Paris Accord was going to be used for anything to “fight the effects of climate change”, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.

            It look to me as if China, notorious polluters by the way, are already ‘investing’ in (colonizing for the purpose of stripping resources) Africa, and other global entities are eager to get in there while the getting is still good. They don’t however want to build the infrastructure to support the pillaging themselves.
            What to do? Maybe have the globalists in government push an iffy theory, to scare the gullible into thinking we’re all gonna die because America didn’t write a big check?
            At least in the old banana republics, th companies built their own roads.

        • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 11:46 am #

          K-Dog: Well I’m on my way, I don’t know where I’m goin’…


          • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

            If Trump appointed Rosie O’Donnell as Pandemic Czar and she got infected, he could sing: “Goodbye Rosie Queen of Corona” They would call it – life imitating art – sad yet do beautiful, in a way.

          • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

            correction “so beautiful”

          • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

            Oh yeah! When the virus first came to be news I played the song and checked out the lyrics. I was also looking for a doom message in the lyrics because then I could add the song to my list of doom tunes on my website jukebox.

            But besides the mention of Corona which turns out to be a neighborhood in New York, the song is really only about a young man going to reform school for knocking up Rosie. A song as deep as a mud puddle. But it makes people feel good as long as you don’t look for meaning in it.

          • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:37 pm #


            K-dog was about two hours ahead of ya on that one, but that doesn’t negate an original thought [assuming that yer not plagiarizing is some way].


          • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

            toktomi, I think he hooked onto the old song, but did he see the Rosie O’Donnell aspect?

        • WayfaringStranger February 28, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

          Pence will just the the go-between making sure that there’s nothing that pisses Trump off going on. Nothing embarrassing like the plastic sheet and duct tape that inadequately partitioned the infected from the non-infected on the way back from Japan. Which was all specifically against Trump’s wishes, a call made unilaterally by a lower official. The word “rogue” comes to mind. Not a good quality in a pandemic official.
          The woman who is scientifically and medically in truly charge right under Pence seems (at this point) to be a long term, very qualified professional who (as far as I know) has not engaged in any TDR horse-shit workplace maneuverings.
          She hopefully is like most people who are truly holding our nation together – a person who shows up every day and does what they do and have always done and then goes home to their family and does not try to rearrange the entire national structure from within their freakin’ office cube..
          Theoretically, a person like that would prefer someone who is the figurehead and deals with the (going to be incredible) mile-deep bullshit and politicking that will come along with this virus.
          Our “active class” are for the most part worthless assholes with deeply flawed character development. They all can be counted on to act shockingly badly throughout this whole situation, and beyond.
          Having Pence deal with the BS on the one side, and Trump on the other, frees up this HIV-expert female science nerd to save our asses (if possible, tho’ I suspect not).
          What’s not to like about that as an official plan though?
          Pharma-boy Azar is scary, this woman seems maybe legit. I hope so.

          • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

            No, man. Like, Pence is the guy handling, like, all the science and medical stuff.

            The McMedia told me so.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

            Male Science! I thought we were beyond this kind of crap already. Only Women can save us, find cures, solve the energy crisis, make water run uphill, etc.

        • UN OUT OF USA February 29, 2020 at 5:28 pm #

          “Climate change”. Oh gee, is that where the weather may be different tomorrow or next year than it is today? Wow! Lets destroy our economy and way of life to fight that! Yeah, can’t have the climate changing on us. No sir. I mean the climate never changed before man was on the planet, right? So it must be caused by man. LMAO. Another kuru victim.

      • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 10:21 am #

        This is just Mr Market – the guy who’s officially in charge of everything – allocating resources wisely and efficiently. He’ll decide if and when you get a test, so don’t give it a second thought.

      • AKlein February 28, 2020 at 10:22 am #

        “Free” testing, what a lovely bonanza for the Healthcare system. Which is, of course, the probable reason it won’t/can’t be made a part of governmental public health. In a society where grifting has become the norm, that’s what happens, I suppose.

        • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm #

          LIz said she wants to use the money for the racist wall to give everybody the vaccine free of charge.
          Does she know something we don’t know? Like, there’s a vaccine but the evil Orange Man won’t pay for it?

          • WayfaringStranger February 28, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

            The vaccine will be fully private sector with no price controls what-so-ever.
            Testing is NOT free, if you come up negative you are billed. Look up the Florida case. Thousands of dollars.
            It’s a heartless system I suppose but in the end it suits me alright. I don’t want a government-enforced vaccine or test. I don’t want to be removed from my home, and I fully intend (no matter what) to refuse the vaccine if it does materialize. No way in holy hell am I getting a rushed vaccine for a bio-engineered damn disease that has been lied about from Day 0.

      • Anon1970 February 28, 2020 at 7:16 pm #

        I suspect that it will easier (and cheaper) for Israelis to get tested and treated for the virus than it will be for many Americans. There is always money in the Federal foreign aid budget for Israel. But if millions of Americans fall through the cracks, I doubt that Mike Pence will lose any sleep over the loss.

        If CIA Pete is the only one left standing among the politicians after this, that’s OK with me. It’s time to clean out the DC swamp.

        • UN OUT OF USA February 29, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

          “Time to clean out the DC swamp” with CIA Pete?? Hello! Anyone home? I think you are trying to empty the swamp by standing inside the bucket you are using. How about we stick with the “outsider” businessman that the Swamp has been fighting since day-1??

      • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 8:25 am #


        “The U.S. should follow that principle but is unlikely to do so.”

        Seems the only sensible (and right) thing to do, I’d agree. In the UK, migrants, visitors and other non-citizens are normally billed for NHS treatment, but they’ve been told they won’t be for anything Covid-19 related. What else would you do in a national crisis? I can’t imagine anyone thinking it was OK to bill someone hundreds of thousands of pounds for the misfortune of ending up in intensive care due to an epidemic. Not that the UK government’s response has been anything other than variations of inadequate but at least people won’t be ruined because of it.

    • JustSaying February 28, 2020 at 10:11 am #

      When will the markets stop crashing? (Off to the market to stock up on toilet paper!)

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:13 am #

        Who are you rooting for. A return to business as usual or the end of industrial civilization as we know it?

        • JustSaying February 28, 2020 at 10:36 am #

          It may be the end of the corrupt health care system in this country if they cannot contain the outbreak in northern California. I don’t think there will be a return to business as usual because the stock market losses may be too enormous. We could be seeing the great unwinding. Nobody knows how bad it will get.

          • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:04 pm #

            It would have helped if there wasn’t already a large population of unhealthy people living in filth in San Francisco.

        • WayfaringStranger February 28, 2020 at 1:20 pm #

          Physical pain, lingering death, and loss of loved ones – entire families have perished in China – all seem oddly missing from your awareness.
          If you factor those in (and it’s not really your choice is it) do either of the societal options you present even matter to you? I don’t want to watch my daughters or husband die. And I don’t want them to lose me. I don’t want there to be nothing left of us but a bad smell, a small messy house, and 2 very scared and hungry dogs. That’s what I’m rooting for.

        • shotho February 28, 2020 at 5:23 pm #

          The end of industrial civilization as we know it, because it’s really an anti-civilization and is killing off life on Earth. When we get through raping the planet, it’s the end of the age.

        • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:42 pm #


          Meant in the most benign way, despite the stupid “common sense” notion to the contrary, that was a stupid question.

          You ask, “Who are you rooting for. [A long term impossibility or a likely short term reality]?”

          just messing,


      • Epicur February 28, 2020 at 8:30 pm #

        Roubini says we may be looking at a 40% decline, which looks about right based on long term valuation. A lot of it depends on unknowns, but once the speculative bubble bursts….

        Good info here:



    • wolfbay February 28, 2020 at 11:09 am #

      A harvard epidemiologist predicts 40 to 70% of the population will be infected. If the mortality rate is 1% millions would die.This is no Flu.

      • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

        It’s a space station.

      • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:52 pm #


        So…. perhaps, a thinking woman ought to be asking herself…

        WHAT IS IT?

        Cuz it ain’t nothing, cuz.

        OK, the simple answer is, “smile, mother fuckers”.
        Y’all on daddy’s jumbotron, tagged & tracked, and he’s sending in the stealth “troops”.

        – Oh, yes you are as we all are!


    • draupnir February 28, 2020 at 11:20 am #

      The Democrats are trying to politicize a disease. It appears they are planning to be more obstructionist than helpful. Trump’s public response doesn’t fill me with confidence, either. The novel corona virus, with a mortality rate currently calculated at about 2%, is about 10x as deadly as regular seasonal flu. Like seasonal flu, it appears to be most deadly to the old, and so perhaps is viewed with more equanimity by our government than I would like. I’ve read that about 35% lost to it are in the 20 to 40-year-old range, so this isn’t going to simply remove the dead weight.

      Statistics on morbidly have been noticeable by their lack, but there are anecdotal accounts of irreversible organ damage, and reinfection appears to be associated with sudden death. Who can predict what the ultimate mortality is going to be?

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:26 am #

        Uh, what exactly do you want the government to do, lock everyone up in their homes?

        • draupnir February 28, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

          That’s what’s done in these situations.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 1:26 pm #

          Classic Azian confusion. He thinks that as “consumers” people should have the right to go and infect other people. Consumers are cattle, John. Real Human Beings would have never accepted Corporate Capitalism as it has developed.

          Would it help you if we privatized the police (since government can’t do anything right – your words) and Amazon police came and locked you in your house? Much as Bush/Trump propose legalizing the illegal invaders and thus “solving” the problem that way.

      • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 11:58 am #

        draupnir, it’s not clear to me what you mean about the Democrats trying to ‘politicize’ coronavirus.

        For one thing, Trump really did cut costs by firing his pandemic response team back in 2018. And there are clear indications that federal response teams did not have proper training or use proper procedures when handling quarantined American patients returned from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which seems to have resulted in new infections.

        Both of those seem completely legitimate things to politicize, don’t you agree? Politicizing things is how you hold office holders to account when they screw up.

        That said, regarding letting old people die, there’s at least one Democratic candidate who seems to be on board with that kind of thinking:


        “Y’know, if you show up with prostate cancer, you’re 95 years old, we should say, ‘Go and enjoy. Have a nice [inaudible]. Live a long life. There’s no cure, and we can’t do anything.’ If you’re a young person, we should do something about it”. Good ol’ Michael Bloomberg, displaying all the compassion and empathy that oligarchs are known for.

        • draupnir February 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

          Though those descriptions sound to me exactly the way excessive bureaucracies function, which is universal and can hardly be attributable to Trump, I’d like to see some corroboration, at least some video from inside, which I have been unable to find.

          As for treating a 95-year-old with prostate cancer, people that age tend to opt for comfort rather than extension of life in any case, and are usually treated with prophylaxis and hospice care.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 1:28 pm #

          Reread the article, Elrond, the part about the sanctimonious biddy. Or did you even bother to read it in the first place?

          • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

            Eyesore: I sometimes post here without reading the article, but if so I always make a point of saying so. Yes, I read JHK’s post. The whole thing is a lowbrow comedy routine, all horselaughs and no substance, and the part you’re referring to is no exception. JHK says nothing at all about what Gail Collins actually wrote, just makes ad hominem remarks about her appearance and burlesques about brain-eating disease. If you insist that I remark on this, here’s what I have to say: derision is not an argument.

            Did you actually read Gail Collins’ column? JHK didn’t include the courtesy of a link. I searched the source for this page to make sure, and there’s definitely none. I had to search the New York Times website to find it.


            Collins makes her own attempts at humour, but unlike JHK she also includes some real content, including the following:

            – When reporters raised the question if coronavirus was responsible for stock markets tanking, Trump shifted blame to the Democratic candidates for spooking markets instead. Only in Eyesore world is this a case of Democrats ‘politicizing’ the virus and not Trump doing so.

            – Collins points out the same thing I did: that the Trump administration cut back on pandemic response in 2018 and sent people packing.

            – She also takes notice of the unimpressive performance of Chad Wolf, acting secretary of homeland security, under questioning by a Republican (!) representative on February 25, when among other things he had no idea whether enough respirators were available for dealing with the virus. I strongly recommend you watch the video:


            There’s more, but you get the idea. The Democrats are rather pitiful, but I never cease to be impressed at the ability of Republicans, and the political right in general, to push a narrative both selective about and completely at odds with facts.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:34 pm #

            You got me. Her appearance says it all. Just grotesque but you think she looks fine. No doubt you are a male version of the same.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

            Liberal California has two hundred testing kits. Boy are they prepared, eh? How about Canada? You ready? But you’re not going to discriminate by stopping infected people from coming in, right? Cuz that would be “racism”, your favorite thing truth be told.

  4. Doc Holliday February 28, 2020 at 10:06 am #


    If you have the time (about 2 hours) you will, likely, conclude that the audience members appear to have Kuru as well. Listen to the cheers, boos, and cat calls.

    Milwaukee will be very interesting…..

    • abbybwood February 28, 2020 at 11:03 am #

      Hope you aware that the only way one could be in the audience for that debate was to shell out $1700-$3000/ticket!

      So those who were booing were not the average schmucks of society. No doubt many tickets were purchased by Little Mike for his paid influencers.

      • Ron Anselmo February 28, 2020 at 12:38 pm #

        Mini Mike

      • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:44 pm #

        To be fair, I doubt either Mini Mike’s paid influencers nor Mini Mike himself actually paid for their tickets, since Mini Mike is basically funding the whole shebang in the first place. Kinda fun, wasn’t it? Like WWE politics, although I’d really like to see some actual wrasslin’ action too.

  5. AKlein February 28, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

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    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:25 am #

      Funny, but why would they do that?

      I looked into the quote and its meaning. Gods destroy madmen for they have gone mad. Men bring destruction onto themselves.

      Makes sense, if the gods are going to kill you they are not going to engage in foreplay unless they want to.

      • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

        And then we all die, regardless. Ho hum…

  6. BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    I believe Michael Rockefeller was the victim of “Kuru”, taken by headhunters in New Guinea during a scientific expedition he made there back in 1961. Poor guy, I don’t think they found any trace of him, and it wasn’t for lack of trying.


    • SpeedyBB March 1, 2020 at 1:44 pm #


      Got to share a humorous (if grim) tale. The Rockefeller clan organized an “information expedition” to go to West New Guinea (then known as “Irian Jaya”) to see if they could find any trace of their adventurous offspring.

      In one village they sat down with an elderly local whom they politely questioned through an interpreter. The old man smiled when they told the story and he apologized, saying he knew nothing of the events leading up to the encounter, death and alleged consumption of Michael Rockefeller.

      As they talked he was wearing Michael’s glasses.

  7. ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    Great post Jim, although I’d take exception with your characterization of Bloomy. To me that was just a decidedly awkward slip of actual truth telling, admittedly not something you’d ever want to hear from a ‘Murican politician. But Bloomy’s first and foremost a career plutocrat, so I think allowances can be made for that sort of thing at this point. He’ll get his sea legs under him yet as the campaign kicks into hyper-drive and all his money begins to pay dividends. I’m still holding out hope that he offers cash direct payments to individual voters, as I think that’s by far the most cost-effective and efficient way to buy an election, and if you stop to think about it, probably the most fair and honest way to go about it as well. Why “manufacture consent” the old-fashioned way when you can just come right out and buy it direct. Of course, I expect Bezos will find a way to horn in on the action as well.

    • AKlein February 28, 2020 at 10:28 am #

      So basically, what you’re implying is that Bloomberg is just a representative sent by Ellipsis’ MrMarket. Hmmm. Good point.

      • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 10:39 am #

        Absolutely! I don’t want to speak out of turn here – since this is Bloomy’s rightful territory – but I think there’s a distinct possibility that Bloomy might even be Mr. Market’s “Only Begotten Son!” Yes – THERE IT IS – I said it! Bloomy might be here to save us all from our socialist sins and wash us all in the ink of the Almighty American Dollar! Can I get an Amen?

  8. James Kuehl February 28, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    A good belly laugh this morning–just what the doctor ordered. Reminded me of the Vonnegut line from ” A Man Without a Country” as he muses about our future.

    “I mean, that dumb Barbra Streisand song, ‘People who need people are the luckiest people in the world’—she’s talking about cannibals. Lots to eat.”

    • sprawlcapital February 28, 2020 at 11:17 am #

      Funny, James. I have hated that Streisand song ever since I first heard it. That’s about 57 years, by my calculation. I think Kennedy was still president. The fact that it was a popular song says a lot about the public, none of it good.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:24 am #

        Stupidification of the American public in full bloom.

        Public overreaction to this virus could be Bernie and his Commie pal’s road to takeover.

        Enjoy your freedom, it may be short-lived.

        • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:37 pm #

          Or it could be just to make more people use the knee-jerk word ‘Commie.’ Yes indeed, it’s in “full bloom” alright.

          • James Kuehl February 28, 2020 at 3:33 pm #

            John Bircher red-baiting is back in fashion. People tend to conflate socialism (Scandinavian egalitarianism) with collectivism (Soviet authoritarianism). If Bernie wins the primary they’ll try to paint him as Stalin from Vermont.

      • Tate February 28, 2020 at 1:50 pm #

        Nominations for stupid songs:

        Vote for: “I’ll Be Watching You” the Police.

        Is this the ballad of a super-stalker? Gives me the creeps.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

          No, women love it – but first you get their psychic permission. That’s diff, dig? If you withhold, they’ll then be very unhappy and actually mill around trying to get a glance.

  9. wpa_ccc February 28, 2020 at 10:28 am #

    Not funny: yesterday five countries had diagnosed cases. Today 50 countries.

    Long before impeachment was in the news Trump was busy cutting funds for NIH and CDC, cutting global pandemic prevention resources. The markets continue to fall. Pence is muzzling scientists, telling them to stand down re: talking about community spread.

    Trump’s priority is finding and punishing the DHHS whistle blower who blew the whistle on Travis AFB introducing coronavirus into the United States. None of this clown administration’s antics are funny.

    • qisqisqis February 28, 2020 at 11:12 am #

      Let’s not pretend that the CDC and NIH could have prevented an viral outbreak in China.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:21 am #

        CDC and NIH can make all the recommendations it wants, same with the WHO.

        They are only as good as the intelligent reaction of the populace.

        Considering what is going on today, I think we are in deep shit.

      • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:36 am #

        Nor should we pretend it’s their job to control them in other countries.
        ASSOKA aka janet at it again the legion of dunce always around to spew anti-Trump and Republican Pablum and gruel.
        Careful sock puppet you have some drool dripping down your chin it might get all over your prepared talking points de jour or short out your keyboard.

        • Majella February 28, 2020 at 3:55 pm #


          • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 5:34 pm #

            A good female friend of mine has degrees from Bard, Hopkins, and GW. 5 in all. Works in medicine, and is also an incredibly talented artist who can paint photo realistic paintings. She is also trained classical singer who has performed at the Kennedy Center.

            We do music together. She likely has a 150ish IQ, and is so talented across so many areas that it boggles the mind.

            She writes similarly. Even mixes up basic homophones.

            I wonder how your brain will cope with that.

          • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:59 pm #


            If I may be so bold as to step in and answer for M. which is, in my estimation, a really stupid and obtuse thing to attempt, then I would say, my brain would probably cope in a similar way to how you have intimated that your brain copes with it.

            That is to say, the brilliant get a pass; the dumb asses get a reminder.

            made myself laugh…


        • Majella February 28, 2020 at 6:08 pm #

          Benr has demonstrated that he’s capable of the simple functions involved in even basic punctuation. He just doesn’t bother. As result, his posts are stream-of-conscience raves, without the consciousness.

          • benr March 1, 2020 at 8:32 am #

            Slow down, calm down and read it really is that simple.
            The human brain can do amazing things even figure out words and structure with massive amounts of data missing.

    • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 11:20 am #

      Gail, is that you?

    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 11:32 am #

      Trump cuts the budget of the CDC by 16% in his 2021 budget. More backlash removed from the steering mechanism so the 1% can get around the next election bend in the road and keep profits coming in.

      Trump has a full time doctor to look after him. He should worry why? It is not in his nature.

  10. RaymondR February 28, 2020 at 10:29 am #

    ROFL, one of your best posts JHK! Maybe the disease afflicting the USA is related to Neil Howe’s Fourth Turning?

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  11. fugeguy February 28, 2020 at 10:38 am #

    Awesome post JHK.

    Much needed laughter.

    Closer we get to the singularity the weirder things get.

    Not there yet though.

    Market will hit 30K before dropping below 20K- possibly forever in current USD terms.

  12. K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:47 am #

    That damn Castro.

    The director-general of the World Health Organization called for other countries to follow Cuba’s example in health care in 2014. Cubans live as long as Americans at a tenth the cost.

    Damn socialism. How can you be better than everyone else if everyone is healthy and their needs are met? Where can an edge to become really great come from if everyone has A chance to succeed. If everyone is a success narcissists can’t ever feel special. It would be the end of the world as suits and most everyone else knows it.

    • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:41 am #

      Or its the starvation gene kicking in and a decent climate plus lots of access to Vitamin D sunshine.
      Might not actually be about the Cuban health care system for lack of a better word.
      Trust me if your Cuban you avoid that crap unless you really need the help the clinics on average are filthy and under stocked.

      I said it yesterday and I say it again Touristas get top tier care and Cubans get the real Cuban medical system even the VA at its worst is better.
      I will never understand why people who have NEVER been to Cuba speak about the Cuban health care system using Cuban talking points.
      Brush up on reality Cuba has spent a lot on several key issues abortion and eye sight the rest is third world at best.

      • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:42 am #

        When old Fidel had issues with his digestive track he flew in Spanish doctors to treat him….why because Cuban doctors were not good enough.

      • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

        priest offers last rites of RCC?

        • akmofo February 28, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

          What’s a Jesuit Priest doing hanging with godless communist murder squads?

  13. par4 February 28, 2020 at 10:50 am #

    Whenever Fidel is brought up Bernie could start talking about Batista. I read that after he had to skedaddle from Cuba he went to Franco’s Fascist/Falange Spain and got into the insurance rackets. That could make a nice segue into Medicare For All.

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  14. K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 10:59 am #

    Where do people get the idea that a corona vaccine is on the way? Might it be enraptured techno-narcissism? The fact is this virus is much like a common cold and the last time you were vaccinated against a common cold was when? It is distressing. The first time I heard talk of a vaccine I said to myself. WTF, it’s a virus. There is not going to be a vaccine and thinking there can be is a little mad.

    Why don’t people check things out. Answers can be a click away and people don’t click. It is madness so bring on the gods.

    • BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 11:05 am #

      We get flu vaccinations. What’s the difference?

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 11:15 am #

        The 1918-19 flu pandemic stimulated research on a the flu virus. But the first flu vaccine was developed in 1938. Twenty years of effort to produce a first generation vaccine which did not work well. Making vaccines against viruses is difficult work.

        • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 11:20 am #

          There are no vaccines or antiviral drugs to prevent or treat human corona virus infections.” <— Wikipedia, so it has to be true.

          • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 11:28 am #

            You didn’t answer BHR’s question, a very basic, simple question. Why do they administer flu shots if vaccines against viri are ineffective?

          • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 11:53 am #

            hm – Vaccines against ‘flu aren’t 100% effective. The one I’ve had this year is apparently about 50% effective; some years it can be as low as 30%. Ours is based on what’s happening in Australia six months earlier, so much of it is a wild guess with fingers crossed, scientifically speaking. Since it costs me nothing, I’ll take it anyway. 50% or 30% is better than 0%. Even at £15 from the local chemist, I’d still get it.

          • stelmosfire February 28, 2020 at 12:09 pm #

            People that disregard the annual flu shot have never had a full blown case of the “flu”. It is not any fun.

          • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

            Hey Hmuller FOAD I did more than answer it and you don’t get to tell me what to do.

          • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

            Oh K-Dog, forget your distemper shot this year?

            GA, thanks for the clarification. Now I understand.

          • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

            GA – People who get the flu after a shot I think have a better time of it. Milder symptoms and a faster recovery. I always get a shot and figure as the years roll by all those different strains working together make my chances of resisting the flu even better.

          • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

            I agree, K-Dog. I had ‘flu decades ago and if I felt like dying age 30 because of it I certainly don’t want it now.

      • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

        No, I dont get one of those ‘things.’

        • Tate February 28, 2020 at 1:58 pm #

          It’s a numbers game. I get one every year. Also for pneumonia. Also for shingles. We’re all gonna die some day. WTF.

          • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 6:15 pm #


            Well, aren’t you the affluent easy one to the slaughter pen?
            Commercial weed and cheese doodles are the choice of the less affluent.


          • Tate February 28, 2020 at 9:20 pm #

            If you call life a slaughter pen. At my age, you figure you have a chance to win the longevity game. But nobody really wins.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm #

        We do not even know if “19” elicits an immune response.

      • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 6:12 pm #


        “We get flu vaccinations.” ?

        No, “we” don’t.

        Slaves get flu vaccinations.
        The addled get flu vaccinations.
        Human livestock get flu vaccinations.
        And the errand boys for the ruling elite push the buttons of the droids to publish the message, “we get flu vaccinations”.

        BRH, make your posts longer, please; short comments interrupt my brain-scanning process which shunts out the posts from tools.


        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 7:40 am #

          Toktomi – The very young are entitled to free ‘flu vaccinations in the UK, as well as people my age, because young children are also more likely to die of ‘flu than healthy adults. I don’t know why you would relish the thought of a young child dying unnecessarily of ‘flu.

          Nobody is forced to have it or to give it to their child. If you’re not in a priority group (also includes vulnerable people like asthmatics, I think) to get it for nothing from the NHS, you can get it at a large number of pharmacies for £15 – or you can choose to pay a whole lot more to get it from a fancy private practice with fancy seats in the waiting room.

          Or you can choose not to get it, and in some cases you will die earlier than you needed to. Even if you’re only four.

          Choices everywhere… no need to be a slave or addled.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 7:47 am #

            I knew nothing about ‘flu vaccinations when I was younger. I got ‘flu when I was 30 and was fine. My daughter was two and got it as well. Fortunately she was OK, as was my elderly mother (we all got it when we were at her house for Christmas).

            My second daughter, who wasn’t around at that time, got pneumonia at four months, again while we were at my mother’s for Christmas. She stopped feeding. If it hadn’t been for antibiotics she’d have died. These things aren’t funny.

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 11:09 am #

      Yeah, but a vaccine will sell, either way! And that’s the whole point in developing one in the first place.

      • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 11:38 am #

        That, and preventing things like smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, etc, etc… you know, diseases that used to be as common as logical inconsistencies in a comments section (and that now are having a bit of a second act due to the anti-vax crowd and their apparent desire to demonstrate that natural selection is indeed a thing).

    • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:11 am #

      At least one year.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:16 am #

        In one year, this edition will be changed to Co20 and all the work will be a waste of time. We need to learn how to kill or at least immobilize these viruses and within a month after discovery.

        Humans are helpless in front of the smallest bit of “sort of” life.

        Another example of God’s (Mother Nature’s) ironic sense of humor.

    • SoftStarLight February 28, 2020 at 11:25 am #

      Thank you! There has never been a cure for coronaviruses and so far it seems like the vaccines they tried for SARS which is supposedly a close cousin to this novel virus failed and in animals made the disease worse.

    • sprawlcapital February 28, 2020 at 11:27 am #

      The first time I heard talk of a vaccine I said to myself. WTF, it’s a virus.
      Polio is a virus. The polio vaccines seem to work very well.

      • SoftStarLight February 28, 2020 at 11:31 am #

        The polio virus isn’t a coronavirus.

        • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 11:40 am #

          18 years of effort before the Salk Vaccine for polio was developed. It then took 7 years before polio was brought under control by the vaccine.

        • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

          The problem isn’t developing an effective vaccine per se. The ramp up to mass production is the problem.

          Coronaviruses like influenza viruses are single strands of RNA. Very elementary forms of life (if I had to bet, I’d guess they were the first forms of life on this planet). Gene swapping is all too common at this base organic level. Add in frequent mutations which can potentially have a much more pronounced effect on simpler versus more complex forms of life and you have a constantly moving target. The flu vaccine each year is an educated guess on what will be the prevalent strains; when the guess is accurate, they’re very effective. When not, they’re obviously less so. Still, partial immunity beats none at all.

          So by the time a coronavirus vaccine is in production, the virus may have gone dormant a la SARS or have mutated to something considerably different. It’s very difficult to enter a biological race with an organism that makes 10 million copies of itself in a day.

          • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

            “The problem isn’t developing an effective vaccine per se. The ramp up to mass production is the problem.”

            Testing is also the problem. You can’t just develop a vaccine and let it loose on populations. It will be tested first on animals, then there have to be human trials. That doesn’t happen in weeks.


          • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 1:31 pm #


            True that. And by the time all that testing and production is done, the virus could be something else entirely. It’s easy to rag on the pharmaceuticals for being more focused on boner pills than things like this but any first year MBA would (logically) see vaccines as a loss leader.

          • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 2:11 pm #


            That’s true too. People should stop insisting on crystal balls when life just isn’t like that. Nor does everything have to be someone’s fault.

            We (in the UK) were supposed to get a bad ‘flu epidemic this winter, based on what happened in Oz during their ‘flu season. It’s the best we have to go on. So the NHS ordered masses of extra vaccine stocks. But the epidemic didn’t happen. And the pharma companies made bigger profits.

            Me, I’m just happy the ‘flu epidemic didn’t materialise and the NHS wasn’t overrun. Just like I wouldn’t complain if I paid hundreds of pounds for car insurance for years and didn’t have an accident, or paid for life insurance and kept on not dying. 🙂

      • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:44 am #

        When its not contaminated with other pathogens from the rhesus monkey kidneys it was grown on.

    • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:43 am #

      It was reported yesterday the Israelis have a vaccine and plan to have it global in the next 60-90 days.
      The host then smugly asked if the Palestinians were also working on one.

  15. wm5135 February 28, 2020 at 11:03 am #

    Waiting for the hilarity as margin calls don the jester’s mask.

    Buy the dip, and then buy the dip and then……Waiting on Powell

    Everyone who feels all of this is just coincidence please raise your hand. Whistle blowers are just a pain in the neck and should be Assanged.

    $3720.00 for a virus test, good thing it is nothing more than the flu.

    Hey Dog here is your population control, old timers 2

    Never start a land war with China, of course we have thirty years of the current public and private education systems under our belt. Irreplaceable? Holding any Pandemic Bonds?

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    • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:09 am #

      Hey, another whistleblower. Is Schiff putting together another impeachment hearing for Trumpvirus?

  16. JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:07 am #

    It is refreshing on a Friday to hear all the folks who do not have a clue what they are talking about blaming everything on Trump. Considering all the cases of Kudu in the sector left of center, you better get used to Trump. There is not one single candidate on the Dem side that holds a candle to him.

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 11:11 am #

      Little crush going on there, eh? Ah well, it’s almost springtime and love is in the air again.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:17 am #

        And virus season is about to abate. All the alarmists are going to look very foolish.

        • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:31 pm #

          I think that’s a fair statement. Much ado about nothing.

      • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 11:24 am #

        He made two salient points. Feel free to challenge them.

      • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:48 am #

        Not a crush just a simple statement of fact.

        None of the DEMOCRAT candidates has any charisma or personality.

        • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

          I love President Trump.
          Hating him is okay, but liking him is weird? I guess I’m weird then.

          • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

            I like Bozo the clown and there is nothing wrong with that.

    • SoftStarLight February 28, 2020 at 11:21 am #

      I don’t appreciate how he isn’t acting like its more serious. I mean its a virus we don’t know about and it’s from China. One of the most untrustworthy and murderous regimes in the world. I wish he sounded like he cared about reassuring us and explaining what they know about the virus to us and that they are going to test everyone and have proper care in place for people and what they are doing now to make sure that happens. But he says its going to go away with warm weather when we don’t know that at all and he seems more concerned with money and the stock market. He isn’t making me feel safe.

      • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        Just on the off chance would it do Americans any good for him to say if you get it there is a 1-5% chance its going to kill you?
        Do we want panic buying and people refusing to go to work?
        Think about it and get back to me.
        If he was sending Americans into a panic you and all the people with an axe to grind would be singing a different tune on his behavior.

        • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

          Actually if people who have the ability to work from home did and people generally would not go out when they don’t have to it would slow the spread of any virus really. But that would help. I believe there are many people, most, who could handle the truth without panicking. Most people don’t keep extra food, water, and supplies on hand so it doesn’t hurt to tell people to prepare. I don’t have an axe to grind.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 3:54 pm #

        Good! He job is not to make you feel safe. His job to to give you information on how to avoid being infected by “19” and then if that fails what to do to avoid dying from it. It is up to you to follow what the experts say.

        Your socialistic slip is showing.

        • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

          Well ok but actually I thought the sole job of the federal government was to maintain security and peace within the country? So in that sense it is his job to make me feel safe. And what I mean is that this chaotic response to something we know has been brewing for at least two months is not comforting whatsoever. At least they say mass testing will start next week. We’ll see. It would be awesome to know what the scope of the problem is.

    • stelmosfire February 28, 2020 at 11:32 am #

      I figure one of this crew has about as much chance as Bernie. Ol’ Mao is especially good.

  17. SoftStarLight February 28, 2020 at 11:16 am #

    Thank you for making me laugh Mr. K! I have to admit I have been paranoid about the virus and I can see hypochondriac behaviors developing lol. But seriously too. I bet they really do eat people’s brains. Or I wouldn’t be surprised at all. They say the truth is stranger than fiction. And metaphorically speaking we definitely know they eat brains.

  18. volodya February 28, 2020 at 11:17 am #

    Sometimes symptoms of one malady can mimic those of another. Is that splitter of a head-ache because of that low-grade rocket fuel you got at the liquor store or because of a tumor pressing on some vital nerves? 

    Is the pattern of disordered thinking because of schizophrenia? Or is it just because social animals mimic their compadres?

    You’ve seen it, nonsensical group-think – unexamined and unfettered by mere fact and logic – making its way onto the street and into places where people gather and talk, in the fullness of time ripening into the generally accepted and respectable, with normally and otherwise rational people doing crazy stuff. Like buying stocks. Or building gas chambers. 

    Confounded by the appearance of a political rival that not only wouldn’t fucking die but showed traction in the general electorate, and then stunned by the 2016 loss of what was considered by considered opinion to be an in-the-bag election, Hillary and a few others cooked up preposterous story-lines that were laughable on their face, but which nonetheless became the indisputable and obvious truth among the educated classes, requiring the massive surveillance and investigative apparatus of the federal state to swing into action. What was this but people taking leave of their senses and embracing lunacy? 

    And so here we go again folks, the impossible taking shape, the very fabric of reality shaking just like it dd in 2016, and just like in 2016, people that thought they were shot-callers once again finding out that the chess-pieces maybe have minds of their own. 

    What happens when the wealthy and powerful, smug and self-assured about their place on the economic and social pyramid, suddenly finding things looking pretty damn shaky? What would you expect when the unthinkable and unbearable become the unavoidable? 

    By any “reasonable” measure, Hillary should be gearing up for another slam-dunk election and preparing for her second term. But that ain’t nearly the case. 

    And so there are signs of neurological distress, people going nuts, showing symptoms like those of kuru, imu, mali-mali, with the shakes, the shivers, slurring, outlandish claims, disordered thought, disorientation. 

    But this is just a prelude to the mass insanity to come. What if Sanders wins? What if Trump wins again? 

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

      I think we have to judge sanity on a sliding scale these days. One requiring daily adjustments as well, apparently. But in general, I think if we simply assume that everyone we meet has murderous intent and prepare accordingly, we will all be fine. Until one of the murderous bastards gets you at least. But hey, when your number’s up, it’s up. What are ya gonna do? No one gets out of this motherfucker alive. That’s really the only truth anyone has ever needed to know.

    • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm #

      Get ready, it will be one or the other.

  19. malthuss February 28, 2020 at 11:21 am #

    In TLE, JHK mentions Lagos, Nigeria..Drudge, today notes

    Comments from that link,

    Presently genocide is going on against Christians and southerners in Nigeria, while the world remains silent, the herdsmen have the backing of the Nigeria security agencies to attack farmers with guns, while farmers are defenseless, the goal of the fulani president and his herdsmen and fulani cabals is to capture power and resources

    Nigeria is one of the main exporters of thousands of illegal migrants to Italy and Greece honey.
    From now on all the thousands of fake war refugees that Nigeria sends will be carefully screened. [really???]

    the population explosion of the 21st Century.
    42% of its present 190 million people are under the age of 14.
    Only 7% are over the age of 55.

    The novel coronavirus fatality rates start from a high of over 14% in the very elderly consecutively lower down to 0% for those under 10 yo. The overall estimated death rate currently for the virus is somewhere between 2% and 3%. Put all those numbers together and the you see that the threat to Nigeria of a pandemic of this virus might be much less than to places with much larger ratios of old to young such as in Japan. Ebola, on the other hand, has a death rate of 90%!

    • SoftStarLight February 28, 2020 at 11:30 am #

      Yes, that could be very true. But Iran is telling a very different story about the virus. Perhaps a mutation? More young people in their 20s reported dying from the virus. People collapsing dead in public places in South Korea and Iran. We don’t really know in the end what the true statistics of this thing will be. China wanted to hide the true lethality of the virus?

  20. malthuss February 28, 2020 at 11:23 am #


    Billionaires, Millionaires, laughing at these squares…dem voters.

    Pete is not rich, yet. He is the youngest and hasnt gotten the kick backs, yet.

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    • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 12:12 pm #

      Ever seen River’s Edge?


      That suck-up kid grew up to be Pete Buttigieg.

      • Tate February 28, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

        See, you laugh,, but if we lived in a normal society, the teacher wouldn’t be castigating Kevin for his opinions. Kevin would still be considered a weirdo, sure, but he would at least be tolerated.

        But we don’t live in a normal society. We live in a feminized dystopia, where divorce & broken homes are the norm. So River’s Edge is a marker of where this leads.

  21. hmuller February 28, 2020 at 11:35 am #

    In talking of kuru and bizarre behavior, let’s not leave out the bride of Cochise, yes Elizabeth Warren.

    Elizabeth Warren Says She’d Only Approve Education Secretary If 9 Year-Old Trans Child Does First

    To top that I’m waiting for Biden to say his Secretary of the Interior must be vetted and approved by a buffalo.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 1:58 pm #

      Children should be educating adults and trannies are the only real men and women. And all the cops are criminals and all the sinners, saints.

      Free Bill Cosby!

      • akmofo February 28, 2020 at 3:12 pm #

        Toot a toot, wont you guess your name
        As heads is tails, we’ll call you Lucifer
        You’re in need of some restraint

        • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 6:26 pm #

          woo woo

          But what’s puzzlin’ you is the nature of [his] game.

  22. Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 11:37 am #

    Yes, JHK’s extended riff on brain-eating disease this week is funny. Sadly, it didn’t hit as well with me as it might have, because someone very close to my family actually died of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in the past year and a half. I won’t give any identifying details, so as not to risk bringing further pain to the deceased’s loved ones. But it wasn’t pretty.

    Just to be clear: contra K-Dog, in addition to being contracted by eating contaminated flesh (bovine, human or otherwise), CJD can actually develop spontaneously. This is what happened to the person I’m thinking of. Ordinary beta-amyloid proteins in the brain can mistakenly fold themselves into the wrong shape, such that other proteins around them start to do the same. The malformed proteins form plaques that destroy brain structure as they go, depriving the victim of their humanity before killing them.

    Be that as it may, I’m not sure what ailment causes Kunstler to focus only on certain elements of Washington brain rot, to the exclusion of others that are no less important. JHK is very properly outraged at the behaviour of the CIA/FBI/intelligence community during the 2016 election, when they intervened against the Trump campaign in a way they had no business doing. Unfortunately, this narrative now seems to have attached itself to Kunstler’s brain…


    … so that he sees all opposition to Trump as a somehow illegitimate effort to ‘undo the results of the election’. That’s how JHK described the impeachment effort, which — whatever the merits of the Democrats’ case* — was a wholly legitimate use of an enumerated constitutional power.

    * Hint: the Democrats’ case was much weaker than it could have been. This was mainly because they avoided the emoluments clause, knowing that Trump could have pointed out with perfect justice how pervasively the Democrats themselves profit from their offices.

    • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

      someone very close to my family actually died of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease…

      A friends brother, just a few weeks back, took ill.
      He was dead in 2 weeks of this horrid disease.

      Is it Mad Cow disease? Prions?

      • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 12:17 pm #

        Prions is what they call the malformed proteins when they become infectious, yes.

        From what I know, mad cow, kuru, CJD, etc. are names for either one and the same condition, or for closely related conditions. The only sure way to avoid it is go vegetarian (i.e. never eat anything that had a brain). And hope you aren’t one of those poor people who develop it spontaneously.

        • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 12:48 am #

          Ks relative who died from it was a vegetarian. But not since birth.
          Many of us have been exposed to beef or whatever.

    • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:18 pm #

      I see it that way too, because that’s what it is.

      He and even possibly Bernie, to some extent, are threats to the establishment, as outsiders.

    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

      Be that as it may, I’m not sure what ailment causes Kunstler to focus only on certain elements of Washington brain rot, to the exclusion of others

      A very good question, to ignore the rampant and pervasive rot could cause one’s own proteins to fold. Never has the stench from the swamp been stronger than now.

  23. Pucker February 28, 2020 at 11:40 am #

    Pete Buttigieg recently gave some advice on camera during a campaign event to a weird-looking, fat 12 year old Hispanic kid on how to come out of the closet and declare that one is a Homosexual.

    You can’t just show up, declare yourself to be a homosexual, and then expect people to start sucking your dick. It doesn’t work that way. Pete should have lowered that young queer kid’s expectations.

    • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 11:43 am #

      Pete should have told the kid to join the Warren campaign where he will be given power to decide who gets cabinet appointments.

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

      You can’t just show up, declare yourself to be a homosexual, and then expect people to start sucking your dick.

      LOL!!! That might be the line of the year! Hell, decade, at least! Definitely billboard material!

    • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 2:03 pm #

      Does anyone think this is real and that the little freak wasn’t coached? Obviously if it was real, it self contradicts because he would have just come out and obviously had no problem with coming out.

      The people who set this up are spiritual criminals, especially those who responsible for this kid.

      The Rosa Parks incident was a set up too, btw.

      • Tate February 28, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

        Rosa Parks was a professionally trained race hustler. She was extensively coached in grievance politics in order to create an opportunity for barratry.

      • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 5:45 pm #

        So you’re saying the heinous anus from Indiana is also deceitful.

  24. Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 11:45 am #

    Very funny. Tat op-ed writer’s photo is just like those of our smug op-ed journalists over here. They cannot do humour or analysis and they certainly cannot do facts.

    Collective fantasy really is a serious mental illness, I suppose it is a ‘disease’ in the way alcoholism or drug ‘addiction’ are, that is largely self-inflicted. The people who are supposed to be giving us the facts, the journalists, dish up absurd fantasies. And it does seem to be getting worse, week on week. I think it can keep going a bit longer yet.

    I know nothing of the corona virus except from what people tell me. As usual, this is very low on specific detail. I assume it is nothing much. There is a chance it is deadly but on the evidence of innumerable earlier scares the odds are against it. I expect we will wake up one morning and it will no longer be there.

    I clearly remember a senior (govt?) scientist being interviewed on BBC’s flagship Newsnight programme at the height of the mad-cow hysteria, It had all the signs of a “classic” distribution curve (but; the tiny beginnings of an epidemic, instead of becoming a giant bell-curve, just seemed to peter out). The Observer had a front-page article about a possible nightmare scenario where Britain would be cut off from Europ and the rest of the world for fear of infection and that deaths would rise into hundreds of thousands.

    No matter what gibberish the politicians come out with nobody is taking notice because they are all (and the media in particular) only coming back down to earth intermittently and briefly and are incapable of making any sense of what is happening (even if they wanted to, which they do not).

    I was listening to some Colin Flaherty podcasts last week. In one of them he noted that there was solemn agreement that the underlying problem in American schools is white racism. It was so obvious it scarcely needed repeating. So how was it that he (Colin) was the only person alive who could not see it?

    • benr February 28, 2020 at 11:54 am #


      Mad cow takes decades to manifest.

      Look around at how insane people are getting who is to say its not prions eating everyone’s brains.
      It would explain most DEMOCRAT voters and leaders behaviors as well as their talking points and what they support.

      • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:05 pm #

        Ben, mad cow disease was not that many years ago so how do you explain the widespread mass delusion that existed before it? It erupted in England in the Sixties. Older people would shake their heads and sigh and say, “The world has gone mad.” It really had. Christopher Booker’s astonishing 1959 book The Neophiiiacs looked at it in terms of a five-stage ‘fantasy cycle’, perhaps one of his own design. I suspect the cause is spiritual l.

        • benr March 1, 2020 at 8:38 am #

          Oh that’s easy drugs and lots of them.
          Do you really think prion infection is something new and it sprang into being just 20-30 years ago?

          How about ergot poisonings?

    • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 11:54 am #

      Just to test the water, why does everyone assume that Epstein was a monster just because everyone else and the press say so? Some will overcome their urge to trigger while others might not and dart forward to tell me off, like a part-time lecturer coming up from behind armed with a bike lock.

      • hmuller February 28, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

        Ok, I’ll be the ill-manned thug with the bike lock.

        Sean, Sean, I like you, I respect your opinions usually, but you have to get over this compulsion to believe everyone accused of sexual misconduct is in fact innocent. Jimmy Savile, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, every Catholic priest ever accused. They are all innocent as the pure driven snow in your book.

        You’ll claim to know more about these cases than the rest of us. Do you know more than every jury which sat thru every trial and returned a guilty verdict?

        • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

          Hear hear, hmuller. Sometimes it seems as if Mr. Coleman never met a sex-related allegation he couldn’t spin as hysteria.

          I can well believe all the individuals you name are guilty. On the other hand, I came out of Capturing the Friedmans quite convinced that Jesse Friedman, the son, was innocent and had been railroaded. So both cases can and do happen; but you wouldn’t get that idea listening to some people.

          • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:15 pm #

            Ellrond, y9u believe Cardinal Pell is guilty. How can anyone in his right mind with even a passing knowledge of the charges believe such nonsense? Our host mentioned Eptsein. It is the same madness, I believe, across the board, but the moral panics show it most clearly in all of its ugliness.

            hmuller, I accept that sexual abuse exists of course, only I think it is uite rare among suoccessful and famous people. I think it is quite widespread among the dregs of society, from whose ranks most of the false accusations come. That serial complainant, the fantasists whose name escapees me, convinced the Biritish police of a high-level paedophile ring involving among others a former Prime Minister and the head of the country’s secret services. I was not surprised to hear that he was found guilty of child sexual crimes (pictures on his computer I think) as well as of telling whoppers. The high-profile scandals involving famous men are easy to spot, just as easy as spotting these health scares.

          • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm #

            His name is Carl Beech. Most of my fellow sceptics feel sorry for him. This contrasts with the demonization of fantasy hate-figures like Epstein or Ted Heath. This demonization is a dead give-away that you are dealing with fantasy. I think it is a spiritual sickness where men’s natures are degraded. These things are so easy to spot, it is child’s play with just a little practice, so you wonder why nobody does. The fantasy is too seductive. I remember David from iBlindness (or Imagination Blindness) chiding us myopics, “You love your bad vision habits too much”. I thought it rather odd at the time but I can see what he meant now. As Peter Htichens once wrote, “I can’t help it if people will not see what is under their nose,.”

      • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 6:40 pm #

        @Sean Coleman

        “why does everyone assume…?”

        sounds like a logical question

        But when it comes to the great majority of humanity who operate predominantly in two modes, believe or disbelieve, to ponder the possibility that something is not necessarily true is to automatically subscribe to the belief that the particular something is false.

        Yer dealing with mental midgets with this one, not that you haven’t displayed a penchant for mashing the illusion of knowledge into your cognitive mush.


      • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:32 pm #

        I could have taken the example of Dr Andrew Wakefield, commonly described as one of the worst fraudsters in the history of medicine. There is not one element in that view which is true, yet it is widely believed.

        I could have used global warming or any of the other collective fantasies that populate our world. That might even include poor eyesight, what the true American hero Dr William Bates called “errors of refraction”.

        Now one of their many intriguing characteristics is how hollow they turn out to be when you look into them. People tend to think that perhaps the standard view has some flaws, that it is only, say, 70^ correct. Others are ready to accept 50:50. But they ALWAYS turn out to be 99:1 false or 100:0. That is why I keep going on about them. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Pretend I cannot see anything? It really is surreal.

    • Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

      Yes, and look at the schools that managed to drive away all those white racists.
      You’d think they would be better off, wouldn’t you?
      That’s rhetorical, I know you wouldn’t think so, Sean.

      • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:18 pm #

        Michele Obama did well when she went to a majority-white school. She accused white people of trashing areas before they moved out when the blacks arrived in numbers. There is so much that is surreal that it is hard to know where to start.

    • qisqisqis February 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

      Sean, kinda agree with you but I take issue with addiction being a choice. The human body most certainly creates involuntary chemical dependencies on substances such as alcohol, heroin, and others. At a certain tipping point, It is NOT a mental addiction.

      • Sean Coleman February 28, 2020 at 7:23 pm #

        Peter Hitchens argues that there is no such thing as addiction. I am prepared to believe him. I am prepared to believe counter-arguments but I do not expect them to be persuasive. I suppose it depends on how you define it. I am not very interested in the matter. It seems to be just another of the explanations advanced to excuse people’s poor behaviour.

    • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 1:47 pm #

      Somebody should tell Asian folks about that white racism in schools problem. They obviously didn’t get the memo about that phenomenon’s insidious effect on their academic achievement.

      • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 6:46 pm #

        @King of Comedy

        So, apparently, a force of great destruction cannot be overcome with a greater positive force.

        Is that what you are inferring or are you simply being as silly as it appears to me? King of comedy for sure


  25. Farmer McGregor February 28, 2020 at 11:46 am #

    Brilliant analysis, Mr. K.! What a hoot!

    “Mr. Biden shocked the nation Tuesday night, declaring that roughly half the US population, 150 million people, died as a result of gun violence last year.” In response to this the Babylon Bee posted a farcical article titled “Joe Biden Claims He Is Only Human Left On Earth Not Killed By Gun Violence”

    A couple others: “Bernie Sanders Praises China For Eradicating Poverty By Killing All The Poor People”, and “Nation Breathes A Sigh Of Relief As Ocasio-Cortez Comes Out Against Having Children”.

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    • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

      I usually skip the debates, but I tuned in mid-stream and actually heard Biden deliver that line a few seconds in. I was like, “What? Did he really just say that?”

      Not surprised the other candidates just pushed on past it, since they had their own agendas. But glad to see I’m not the only one who was left scratching my head.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 2:12 pm #

      It just means they’re in way over their heads. They can’t bear the responsibility the position entails and they’re just repeating talking points and then garble them. Biden has always been a confabulator or dry drunk. That he has had a successful career in politics indicates that democracy is contraindicated as a viable system.

      Bush Jr was the same. Jeb would have been as well. Obama was more poised but basically confused as well. To the extent he wasn’t confused, he was evil.

      Ted Kennedy’s son was a notorious alcoholic and dry drunk when not drinking. He did a very honorable thing and got out of politics after his dad died. He knew he didn’t have it and was utterly overawed by the legacy. Ted had the strength to do it, but not the strength to do it well. He chose the Darkness of Open Borders and Death for America, the West, and the White Race.

    • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 5:22 pm #

      Remember the guy from Iran telling us there were no Homosexuals in Iran. When challenged he reiterated the claim saying they were all beheaded.

      I wonder how Pete will do negotiating with people like that?

  26. malthuss February 28, 2020 at 12:04 pm #



    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

      Mr. Market!

    • qisqisqis February 28, 2020 at 1:23 pm #

      How else to wipe all the Coronadiarrhea?

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

        I wonder what San Francisco and LA streets are going to look like after “19” hits the tent cities. Bet it will smell good too.

        • BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 6:59 pm #

          Yeah JAZ, it’s odd, in cities like LA, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, now Austin, TX … the subject of public health doesn’t come up much … tens of thousands of people living rough on the sidewalk, defecating, peeing, puking on the pavement, infested with plague, AIDS, heroin addiction, typhus, hepatitis a, b, and c, influenza, pneumonia, scabies, mersa, TB, dysentery, typhoid fever … just to name a few, and the big Lefties in Charge (LIC) seem to care only about if their civil rights are being protected, that they aren’t harassed by the police, and human tokens to virtue signal to the world how tolerant they are.


  27. PeteAtomic February 28, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

    MSNBC just ran a spot with Bloomberg interviewed by a friendly reporter with the bottom banner reading “Bloomberg would consider everybody for VP”

    so, you know who MSNBC is rooting for folks.. and where this is leading in the convention…

  28. Pucker February 28, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

    NKVD Chief, Yezhov, after a long day of torturing and murdering innocent people would come home to kiss the wife and play with the kids. The German commandant and high level administrators at the Auschwitz concentration camp lived in very nice homes nearby the camp and had stereotypical idyllic German family lives. Insane….

    “ He and Yevgenia now lived luxuriously in a dacha, with the usual cinema, tennis court and staff, at Meshcherino near Leninsky Gorky where many leaders had their homes. They had adopted a daughter, Natasha, an orphan from a children’s home. Yezhov was tender, teaching her to play tennis, skate and bicycle. In the photographs, he stands next to his friends, hugging Natasha like any other father. He spoiled her with presents and played with her on his return from work.”

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    Simon Sebag Montefiore

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

      Heart warming. Really brought a tear to the eye.

    • BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

      Yezhov was one NKVD chief who didn’t mind personally torturing or executing people, as opposed to say, Beria, who fainted at the sight of blood. Yezhov would stroll the halls of the Lubyanka, checking in on offices where various torture/interrogation sessions were being conducted, land a few hard blows and kicks on the unfortunate prisoner, then casually leave with a cavalier ‘Carry on’ to his subordinate.


    • qisqisqis February 28, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

      Yep, Hitler loved his dog. So what?

  29. sprawlcapital February 28, 2020 at 12:22 pm #

    Google djia and view the graph for the past year. It’s falling off a cliff!

    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:32 pm #

      Yes but look at the good side. Vietnam has stopped shipping shrimp to China because of the virus. Shrimp are happy. Timber exports are also curtailed. Trees are growing. The economic fallout of this virus is going to be huge and this is very good news.

      Planet eaters on a diet is a good thing.

      • BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

        Not so fast, K-Dog

        China is still on track to burn thru over 5 billion metric tonnes of coal this year.

        • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:47 pm #


        • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 7:01 pm #

          China is still on track to burn thru over 5 billion metric tonnes of coal this year.

          Thank goodness for that – it keeps all us lazy Aussies in crisp Chardonnay, smashed avocado breakfasts, and DIamond Princess cruises!

  30. King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

    “We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60’s. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary’s trip. He crashed around America selling “consciousness expansion” without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously… All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create… a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody… or at least some force – is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.”

    The above Hunter Thompson riff seems to perfectly encapsulate the Bernie Sanders/intersectionality wing of the Democratic Party. Just substitute “social justice” or any other inane catchphrase dropping frequently from the lips of the most zealous of the zealots for “acid” and you have the zeitgeist laid out in a single paragraph.

    I don’t particularly think Trump is a candidate for Most Competent Manager of the Year any time soon but it is rather amusing to watch people who two weeks ago were outraged by xenophobia in response to the nascent coronavirus scare now running for the fainting couches because Trump is not doing enough.

    And, not that it would be entirely effective or maybe effective at all, but shutting down the border would be a somewhat logical step in response to a biological threat. After all, isn’t a quarantine essentially preventing anyone who has been outside the country from having access to the country as a whole, in effect, stopping them at the border?

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    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

      Actually…..Leary was a member of the cult of me. Attempts to make the state more humane in the 60’s failed. Not being able to get rid of real policemen the idea arose to get rid of the policemen in your head. To expand consciousness so a spontaneous utopia is kindled from the ashes of barbarian depravity otherwise know as America.

      This was only another way to fail. It does not matter how many sugarplums dance in your head. The real policeman can still hit you up the side of it.

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:53 pm #

        I met him.

        • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

          Leary, I mean. This part is something to seriously think about.

          He crashed around America selling “consciousness expansion” without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously

          I agree. People with meat hooks trapped in barbarian sociology turn the light at the end of the tunnel into a sacrificial fire to Moloch. The Canaanite god in who’s sacrificial flames we are all children.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

            Yes, and the Fire of Hell is simply the Light of Heaven that you cannot bear. It burns you. The voltage is too high for your pathetic little wire. Why didn’t you transform yourself during life when you had the chance?

            And yes, human sacrifice is simply a way to avoid the voluntary self sacrifice this entails. Kill him! Instead of offering your own heart up to God (symbolized by the Sun, let’s say), you offer someone else’s (add italics Q) heart to the Sun on top of a Pyramid, using an obsidian blade.

            Ditto throwing other Whites to the Dogs of Hell so you can be seen (even by your loathsome self) as one of the good people. Political Correctness is a Religion of Human Sacrifice.

      • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

        Or to paraphrase another visionary (or visionary-wannabe depending on your perspective):

        Human nature is a nightmare from which I’m trying to awake.

        • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:25 pm #

          I knew someone who was very twisted in the head once. I won’t get into details but he became very upset when talking to a psychiatrist who had the job of untwisting him. He tried to manipulate the doctor and dismiss his behavior to say that he was working hard on understanding himself. The doc looked at him and said.

          What the fuck are you talking about. There is nothing to understand. Your head is full of filthy disgusting shit and if anyone could lift up the lid of your skull and peek inside they would throw up. You need to keep a hard lid on that shit and start living right. That is what you need to do.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

          Aldous Huckstable?

      • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 9:40 pm #

        His wife and son killed themselves..and ram das called the 1970s Tim a scoundrel.

        • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

          The way I heard it, malthuss, it was his wife (the first of 5) and daughter who killed themselves, but 35 years apart.

          “On his birthday in 1955, he and his two small children discovered his wife in their car, locked inside the garage with the motor running.

          “I don’t think Tim ever really got over his wife’s suicide,” said Steven Strack, a Los Angeles psychologist who organized a 1994 American Psychological Assn. tribute to Leary. “I’m not sure his family life ever recovered.”

          In 1990, his daughter, Susan, 42, was in custody at the Sybil Brand Institute, having been found mentally unfit to stand trial for shooting her sleeping boyfriend. That year, she used her shoelaces to hang herself from the bars of her cell.”

          Source is the LA Times June 01, 1996 Obituary on Timothy Leary

          Admittedly, I know nothing about hallucinogens as spiritual tools of enlightenment. But I’ve read spiritual masters say the chemical short-cut to enlightenment is very dangerous, like handing a 5 year old a loaded gun. People need to do “the work” and gain a certain maturity before they can deal with mystical insights.

        • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

          I’m reminded of the Talmudic story of the 4 second century rabbi’s who ‘entered the garden’ i.e., a state of mystical rapture. One dropped dead of a heart attack, one went permanently insane, one became a heretic. Only one, Rabbi Aqiba, was able to integrate what he experienced and emerge the better for it.

    • ellipsis February 28, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

      So, you’re talking about all the international airports and various other ports of entry then too? Or is this just another harangue about the southern border and all those dirty brown people we’ve got coming in down there?

      Thompson, great, always love his stuff, although one can’t help but notice that apparently he was a “failed seeker” too, having acquired quite the legendary alcohol addiction (along with god knows what else) along the way and a predilection for reckless gun play and assorted other lawless behavior before finally doing his neighbors and himself a favor and unceremoniously offing himself by his own hand. For all his sanctimonious youthful bullshit, not exactly a higher social consciousness in the end, that one.

      • King of Comedy February 28, 2020 at 1:15 pm #

        Well sure, a complete lock-down would be just that, airports and all, but I did add that “not that it would be entirely effective or maybe effective at all” part. Just pointing out the Trump can do no right mentality which is a close relative to the Obama can do no right mentality preceded immediately by the Bush can do no right mentality. Lines in the sand indeed.

        And yes, Thompson is a curious figure. One of the seminal creators (arguably) of a culture whose bullshit he clearly saw through. Don’t most revolutions go that way though… nobility and the rights of man ultimately winding up at the guillotine, metaphorically or otherwise?

    • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 7:00 pm #

      @King of Comedy

      I have slightly different take on the world.

      Hunter, I’m guessing, was not bashing the exploration of consciousness that Leary was using to his own ends.

      I would guess that Hunter was alluding to the dearth of answers by introducing more questions.

      Y’all ought to try it. Don’t try to take him too literally. He would laugh your asses right off your flat earth.

      Now, I need someone to turn my son on to at least his virgin trip.

      It matters not what is
      For what is cannot be discerned.
      It matters only what we believe
      For what we believe is all that we have learned.


  31. Beryl of Oyl February 28, 2020 at 12:27 pm #

    I didn’t really appreciate this post today. It was well done, but I’m just not in the mood for comedy, even black comedy.

    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

      You are not a Beryl of Laffs today.

    • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 4:49 pm #

      I found it pretty unfunny as well. Not because I occupy a humour-free zone, or even because JHK inappropriately made light (in jest of course) of a number of very serious diseases.

      It was as usual the bias and distortion against the Democratic Party, as if the Republican Party is somehow fine.

      I thought the debate was pretty laughable as well, and none of the candidates are up to the mark, really, but (a) at least there are debates, and (b) notwithstanding the verbal goofs and mind-mouth disconnects, all the candidates are far more truthful and far more articulate that the incumbent.

      What are we up to – about 20,000 lies so far? I don’t see JHK taking the piss at these stats.

  32. BackRowHeckler February 28, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

    Just by co incidence, kerfuffle happening in Ct this week over vaccinations. It’s been law here for a long time that kids had to be vaccinated against an array of diseases before they could start 1st grade. You could apply for a ‘religious exemption’, which was rarely used. Suddenly a few years ago it was being used a lot more frequently, to the extent in many schools unvaccinated kids reached 20%. Well, the state decided to make these exemptions unavailable. All hell broke loose; at hearings this week hundreds of young mothers showed up to testify against innoculating their kids against infectious diseases. I listened to some of it, and it was completely devoid of any understanding of epidemiology or human events, of say, before penicillin came on the scene in the 1930s, or even up to the polio epidemic in the 50s. Most of these young women were the type you see at the yoga parlor, or at Starbucks, well educated and concerned about healthy living. Yet they did not seem to understand the jeopardy they are putting their little ones in by not having them vaccinated. One of their themes was vaccinations were ‘unatural’. The fact that this is a matter of public health, and they were part of a larger community, left them unconcerned.


    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 1:13 pm #

      Darwin awards?

    • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 1:31 pm #

      “Most of these young women were the type you see at the yoga parlor, or at Starbucks, well educated and concerned about healthy living. ”

      Like a dollar version of Gwynnie, then… Maybe they’d go for the vaccines if they were sold at Goop.

      • Elrond Hubbard February 28, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

        It’s hard to fathom the narcissism especially of prominent anti-vaxxers like Bill Maher and RFK Junior. As god is my witness, it feels like nothing more than squeamishness elevated to a self-righteous religion. They are certainly capable of knowing better; they just choose not to.

        Every time Maher starts out saying “All I’m saying is…”, followed by some claptrap, I want to take him back in time and nail him spread-eagle to a wall, overlooking a polio ward. The ability to eradicate diseases like polio and smallpox is a gift that will benefit every human who ever lives, from now to the end of time.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm #

          Except for the legions of kids who came down with autism after getting too much mercury. Same cure for you too. But half of your time in the public square. Maybe we could play spin the wheel. Would that be ok?

          • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 5:31 pm #

            Never ever proved!

          • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 7:10 pm #

            Mercury and Autism: Enough Already!

            The science shows that they have nothing to do with each other and never have

            Scientific American (November 2107)

            The causes of autism are not clear – but vaccination and mercury are not on any credible list. Abnormalities in the brain of those with autism have been identified, and the likely cause is some genetic quirk from one or both parents.

          • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 8:33 pm #

            “Except for the legions of kids who came down with autism after getting too much mercury. ”

            People like you who spread dangerous disinformation like that should be ashamed of yourselves. You’re as ignorant as the wannabee Gwynnies at their lifestyle yoga clubs.

            Take it from the Autism Society:


            “The National Autistic Society is clear that there is no link between autism and the MMR vaccine.

            We believe that no further attention or research funding should be unnecessarily directed towards examining a link that has already been comprehensively discredited.”

          • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 9:33 pm #

            I saw a film that convinced me over vaxxing causes this…too many anecdotes.

          • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 9:34 pm #

            John Az..see the films and decide for yrself.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 8:21 am #

            I agree with you, malthuss – too many anecdotes.

            The plural of anecdote is not data.

            I once read an anecdote where a guy claimed his dog was cured by homeopathy. Yeah… my dog benefits from a drink of water too.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

            By definition, a plurality of anecdotes, well chosen to be representative, is data. The pickle is in the choosing, right? And that is where women and liberals all fall down. Many conservatives as well of course. Only the Fascist, the National Socialist, and the Communist are able to look life straight in the face. The latter becomes the abyss of course, choosing evil in reaction to the truth she has seen.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 8:40 am #

            “By definition, a plurality of anecdotes, well chosen to be representative, is data. ”

            If you’ve ‘chosen’ it, it’s not data, it’s just selected anecdotes.

          • hmuller March 1, 2020 at 11:45 am #

            GA, it was my impression you often use anecdotes to prove a point.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

            I use anecdotes to illustrate a point, hm, which is a more literary device. I don’t call cite data unless it is data.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

            *don’t cite data*

      • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 9:10 pm #

        Maybe they’d go for the vaccines if they were sold at Goop.

        Perhaps not sold at Goop, but it would seem essential to make non-vaccination completely uncool, totally socially unacceptable, and akin to child abuse or neglect.

        Unfortunately there are a lot of fruit-loop websites out there where those prone to be anti-vaxxers can find all manner of mis-information and myths to bolster their position.

        It’s all very criminally stupid, but there might be no vaccine for that. The best society can do is insist on consequences of such poor behaviour – banning kids from kindergarten and school is a good way.

    • elysianfield February 28, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

      One of their themes was vaccinations were ‘unnatural


      What is more natural than death?

  33. Patriot February 28, 2020 at 1:23 pm #


    Here’s some rational thought about the Corona Virus from USA Today……….Hardly a right wing mouth piece

    • Patriot February 28, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

      You know I’ve read a lot of your posts, fellow Clusterfuckers, , but I’ve totally lost respect for you over your reaction to the virus. How many Americans, who were not on that cruise ship, have the virus? FIFTEEN. Not 2 million, not 10 million, not 100 million , but FIFTEEN. That’s out of a population of 330 million. How many have died ? ZERO. Is that your definition of a pandemic? I bet more people have been hit crossing the street in a crosswalk since the “outbreak” happened than have contracted the disease. What is wrong with you Americans. You once were bold explorers outer space, now you’re a bunch of Chicken Littles who look to every event as Apocalypse Now. It’s sad, no pathetic.

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

        I often find it useful to evaluate an electronic circuit I design using a software simulation before I build it with real parts. An avalanche of math and graphs up the wazoo will result.

        After I build my circuit I look at how it works. Oscilloscope traces match my graphs. Perfectly. If the virus is not contained and eliminated it is only a matter of time before it reaches America.

        Former explorers of outer space know that air travel can spread a plague in a day. For this reason all air travel should cease immediately. Tell Greta things are going to be OK.

      • Nightowl February 28, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

        Many are well-conditioned by the McMedia.

      • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm #

        Read your history. Biological Warfare is real. It helped us conquer the Red Men for example. From another pov: Big Things start small. Consider Christ’s parable of the mustard seed. Or the sperm cell. Surely nothing big can come from such small things, right? Wrong sport.

        No one said it was everywhere – yet. They’re trying to prevent that. You’re like the grasshopper laughing at the industrious ants as they prepare for winter. Read your Aesop, damn it.

      • elysianfield February 28, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

        “now you’re a bunch of Chicken Littles who look to every event as Apocalypse Now. It’s sad, no pathetic.”

        Tell it to the Chinese.

      • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

        How many Americans, who were not on that cruise ship, have the virus? FIFTEEN.

        Third case on the West Coast – with no travel history or any other traceable connections. These things start small, but beware the power of exponential growth..

        • JohnAZ February 29, 2020 at 12:01 am #

          And beware of long period of viability by the virus. Environmental contamination builds up fast. China probably thought that person to person contamination was the only source of infection.

          Much to their chagrin now.

          The Diamond Princess should have been a clue.

        • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 7:19 pm #

          Exactly. To my untrained eye the worst aspect of this corona virus is the long incubation period. Someone can spread the virus around for a week, two weeks, even three weeks, before they show symptoms. This makes containment and quarantine a futile effort.

          The horses have left the barn, Elvis has left the building, the cat is out of the bag, the toothpaste is out of the tube. Pick your cliche.

    • toktomi February 28, 2020 at 7:08 pm #


      Yer on yer own on this one.

      But I’ll slip in this. Don’t confuse the narrative for the message.


    • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 9:41 pm #

      a deep state mouthpiece?

  34. xxzzy999 February 28, 2020 at 1:56 pm #

    The Democrat’s fix is in…..

    Bloomberg has been inserted into the race by the Democrat elites to secure the nomination for Hillary. He will help shore up the center and take delegates away from Bernie.

    The left mainstream news is shredding Bernie’s campaign. The Democrats’ goal is to keep Bernie below the 51% delegate total needed on the 1st vote at the Convention in July.

    Democrats will take down Bernie one way or another, and force a brokered convention….. then insane Hillary walks away with the nomination, including 95% of the SuperDelegates. She will be credited with saving the Democrat Party… even if she loses again.

    Bottom Line: Can Bernie, possibly with the help of a Warren exit, arrive at the Convention with 51%+ of of the pledged delegates? Can the Democrat party leaders stop Bernie?

    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

      Too bad Dems are not smart enough to make a Bernie / Warren ticket.

      All women, all blacks, and about half of all white men. That would make Trump toast no matter what happens.

      • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

        And if anyone feels left out I only had one sentence.

      • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm #

        Good Dog. That’s all Democracy is in a diverse society. Yet you seem comfortable with it? I hope I am wrong – for your sake.

    • draupnir February 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

      Mike Bloomberg’s size is chronic.
      Lift shoes are not a tonic.
      His dick is so small,
      He can’t find it at all.
      He’s truly Napoleonic.

    • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 9:21 pm #

      Bloomberg has been inserted into the race by the Democrat elites to secure the nomination for Hillary.

      It feels like déjà vu all over again! Didn’t we have this very discussion in the last round? I still don’t think Bloomberg is that influential or significant, nor do I think that Helicopter Hillary is in the mix.

      Just what the race needs – another septuagenarian with a mule-train of embarrassing baggage.

      • JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 11:57 pm #

        There was a report tonight that Bloomberg will not back Bernie financially if Bernie wins the nomination. I remember that he said that he would back anyone against Trump.

        I guess he does not like socialism more than Trump.

    • Tate February 28, 2020 at 9:30 pm #

      Judging from Warren’s sucking up to Bernie at the last debate, don’t be surprised if a backroom deal for the VP spot causes her to make that exit. They can see the cow chewing the cud if you can see it.

  35. akmofo February 28, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

    Good speech. I like this guy:


    Presidential material, in my opinion.
    He and Nimrata Haley.

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    • K-Dog February 28, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

      Of course you like him. He is a voice of empire, like you.

      • akmofo February 28, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

        He is the voice of Empire. But he is also the voice of good and the TaNaKh. Hopefully one that will be able to smash the Commie and Jihadi empires, and hopefully one that will realize that once that’s done, it’s time to dissolve the US empire.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

          When we go, you go. The Mahdi awaits. Plead your case before Him if you dare.

          One of the heroes of a Temple shooting over here refused a 20,000 dollar reward from the Zionists. He believes in the Israel of God, not of mere men.

          • akmofo February 28, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

            No, my dearest, the Mahdi will be will be smiling and speaking Hebrew and serving us Knaffeh desserts


            That’s the diff between you and us.

          • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 11:19 am #

            “No, my dearest, the Mahdi will be will be smiling and speaking Hebrew and serving us Knaffeh desserts”

            I think we should have an auction for the fealty of the potential believers;

            OK, I open the bidding with Eternal Salvation,

            We got a bid now for Reincarnation, do I have another?

            Desserts served by the Mahdi, we got Desserts!

            Oh Mother! We’re bid 72 Virgins…anybody top that?



          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 4:28 pm #

            Ely, you’re addressing the wrong person..

            The Vatican is backing Bernie Sanders’ run for the White House. Team Francis has had Bernie as an honored guest speaker at the Vatican and, most recently, they went public in attacking Trump from inside the Vatican.

            Should we wonder how much of the US Bernie donated as tithing to his new God in the Vatican? Or are you too in Mrs Green’s camp that there is nothing to see here.

          • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

            With all respect, I’m in the camp of the ignorant with no perspective other than that anything is possible. You may be correct in your worldview…I don’t know…but try to find amusement where I can.

            Please take no offense. I am not myself offended in what you post.

            I don’t believe much of it, but no offense taken or intended in my responses.


          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

            Geez, Ely, a comedian ex-cop who’s afraid to offend. You’re never doing to make it to the big league of comedy with that attitude.

          • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 11:42 pm #

            Not afraid to offend…just loathe to do so. I have offended many in my 70+ years.

            The internet, if I might suggest, is a poor venue to offer offence.

            Regarding the “big time”, the only requirement separating me from the rest is…talent.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 12:46 am #

            Ely, you should try to curb your enthusiasm a bit

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 8:45 am #

            “Team Francis has had Bernie as an honored guest speaker at the Vatican ”

            I seem to recall Team Trump spending time with the Pontiff too, with the two Trump ladies doing a bizarre impression of Sicilian widows from The Godfather.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 10:50 am #

            I seem to recall Team Trump spending time with the Pontiff too

            Yes, they all do, without exception.

            It’s just a coincidence. Nothing to see move along, right Mrs Green? Conspiracies are for Jewish goofballs, not for the BBC educated.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 11:18 am #

            Mr Mofo

            I’m not BBC educated – you really need to get over this obsession.

            Mr Trump and his family also partook of hospitality offered by the Queen and other members of the British royal family. I haven’t assumed that meant Her Maj is at the centre of some global conspiracy, despite her having dabbled graciously with the great and the good (and the horribly bad) from all over the world.

            I am well aware that nefarious goings on have always gone on in powerful Vatican circles, just as they have in circles of rich Jewish businessmen or any other power clique (even just ‘massively rich people’). But do I think either the Vatican or international Jewry is running the world in some overarching Matrix? No, sorry. I think conspiracies are many and varied. Very many and very varied.

            Needless to say, I may be wrong. Needless to say, so may you.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:55 pm #

      Both monsters and servants of the Deep Ones. Epoch Times, eh? Are they the Falun Gongers? This confirms my suspicions about their political connections and/or source of funding or even, creation.

      • akmofo February 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

        Are they the Falun Gongers?

        Yes, commie dearest. That’s how they started. They were investigating the Chinese government involvement with the suppression of the Falun Gong in the US using Chinese Triad mafia gangs. That opened a whole can of worms of Chinese spying influence peddling and deep political penetration.

        Epoch Times Israeli Hebrew version

        • benr February 29, 2020 at 9:20 am #

          For all his faults Janos is not a communist.

          • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 11:21 am #


          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

            Socialism is communism with better marketing.
            Vlad is a professed Nazi, a communist taken by Hitler’s marketing.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

            But I am a Socialist, “ben”. I never met anybody named ben. The only ben I know is Franklin.

      • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 12:57 pm #

        Being heartless is a feature, not a defect, for our “Aryan” lizard ubermench?

        • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

          I think the ALU’s as you describe got a lot of bad press.

          • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 6:38 pm #

            …some of it earned…some not.

          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 9:26 pm #

            …some of it earned…some not.

            Arbeit macht frei

    • Majella February 29, 2020 at 4:30 pm #

      A Christian nut-job? Rapture & all that? Really?

  36. Pucker February 28, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

    What’s behind the accusations against Trump, Tulsi, and Bernie of being “Russian Assets”? Is it that they can’t be “depended up”, i.e. controlled by the Deep State, and, therefore, must be liquidated?

    “ The magnates were being disingenuous in their shock. When they knew the person, they naturally took a special interest in the proof, but all of them understood and accepted that the details of the accusations and confessions did not matter. So why were they all killed? Nadezhda Mandelstam wrote that they were killed “for nothing” while Maya Kavtaradze, whose parents were arrested, simply says: “Don’t ask why!” They were killed not because of what they had done but because of what they might do. As Molotov explained, “The main thing was, that at the decisive moment, they could not be depended on.”

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    Simon Sebag Montefiore

  37. JohnAZ February 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm #

    Koontz, in 1981, wrote a book, The Edge of Darkness, in which he predicted a respiratory pandemic in 2020 which he named Wuhan 400.


    • Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

      Oh shit, not him too! Countless movies predicted the fall of the Two Towers.

    • malthuss February 28, 2020 at 9:37 pm #


  38. Pucker February 28, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

    I heard that some states allow you to do your doctor interview and exam by video online to process one of those Medical Marijuana Cards? Can I give the doctor a fake name, like Julio Inglesies?

    • Pucker February 28, 2020 at 4:21 pm #

      What about medical marijuana for my dog?

  39. Pucker February 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm #

    Gail Collins is weird-looking….

    • Pucker February 28, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

      Can I use Gail Collins’s name and address to process my Medical Marijuana Card?

  40. wpa_ccc February 28, 2020 at 4:29 pm #

    Coronavirus, hey it is not just the flu. Coronavirus is 20 times more lethal than influenza.

    Coronavirus: 20 deaths per thousand cases

    Influenza: 1 death per thousand cases

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  41. dah plunge protection team February 28, 2020 at 5:03 pm #

    What a day!!!! The DOW was down over 1000 points, then bounces up over 500 points twice. Only 350 points down at the close. Tell me with a straight face there wasn’t some back room shenanigans going on there.

  42. toktomi February 28, 2020 at 5:30 pm #


    “Take a close look at that photo.”

    You are sooooooooooooo BAD!

    Wickedly funny and downright nearly genius.
    Oh, the tricky, sticky turns of the Japanese or Jewish mind…

    world according to ~toktomi~

  43. aibohphobia February 28, 2020 at 5:40 pm #

    1) “latah … among the Thai people is known as “bat shi…”

    2) If this has spread to Capitol Hill, they are “Bat Shi ” Crazy.

    Yep, Bat Shi Crazy sounds about right!

  44. Janos Skorenzy February 28, 2020 at 6:15 pm #

    Brits betrayed by Bojo. He’s just another Trump.


    Big Business will be the Death of the White Race and Western Civilization. The politicians are just their lackeys and paid stooges. Attn Benr.

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    • GreenAlba February 28, 2020 at 9:34 pm #

      Janos, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

      For three years – in fact since before the flippin’ referendum – I’ve patiently explained to you (and to a certain other person on here) that Brexit was going to lead to an increase in non-European immigration, which was pretty much the opposite of what the anti-immigration folks were actually after.

      And you dare to sound surprised.

      I might as well have been talking to the wall. All those ageing Brexiters will be able to look forward to having their arse wiped by a Filipino care assistant instead of a Spanish one or a Polish one. Maybe that’s what victory looks like. But not quite yet. For the moment there’s a minimum income requirement, so aspiring care assistants won’t get in. That means those ageing Brexiters will have to find some young Brits keen to wipe their arse at a wage that won’t wipe out the value of their house in a year instead of two (average time spent in a nursing home before you croak is 2 years). Good luck with that. Stand by for growing exceptions to the minimum income rule when arses aren’t wiped and vegetables aren’t picked (already a major problem).

      BtW, regarding Andrew Sabisky, mentioned in your article, here’s something else he said (while proposing the routine prescription of narcolepsy drugs to school children to ‘improve brain function’):

      “From a societal perspective the benefits of giving everyone modafinil once a week are probably worth a dead kid once a year.”

      Yeah, just the kind of wet-behind-the-ears ignoramus we want in government. Not surprised your publication approves of him.

      • Cargill February 28, 2020 at 11:25 pm #

        I’ve patiently explained to you (and to a certain other person on here) that Brexit was going to lead to an increase in non-European immigration, which was pretty much the opposite of what the anti-immigration folks were actually after.

        I don’t quite understand the concern and hysteria. If there are unattractive jobs that native Britons won’t do (or won’t do for the money offered), why not have an immigration program to meet the demand?

        And what is the difference between a Filipino or Indonesian filling those roles, as opposed to a Spaniard or Pole?

        I don’t think Brexiteers were concerned about these sorts of jobs – aged care or fruit-picking – but a whole range of stuff that was either more visible, or in areas where there was genuine competition with local workers.

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 5:46 am #

          “And what is the difference between a Filipino or Indonesian filling those roles, as opposed to a Spaniard or Pole?”

          There isn’t much of one, to my mind, but having European ones was part of a package that helped British farms and other businesses sell their produce into a huge single market without any tariff or non-tariff barriers. At the end of this year, tariff and non-tariff barriers are what they’re going to get. If people are happy with what they voted for, fine, but a lot of people were voting for unicorns.

          Also the UK government had EU protocols at its disposal that could control inward migration, e.g. if people came and didn’t find work, and they chose not to use them owing to their own ineptitude.

          Many people who complain about ‘immigration’ are mainly against immigration by people who don’t look like them (cf. Janos). Nigel Farage reckons what swung the vote was his infamous poster of mostly Syrian refugees coming over in a horde, which was utterly dishonest since none of them were entitled to come here from the rest of the EU because we weren’t in Schengen. People mix up all sorts in their mind and are easily manipulated by a press that’s, in its majority, been whingeing about the EU since day one (funny since everyone on here tells me the McMedia are globalist, which might confirm my view that globalism will be found to be alive and well post-Brexit too, just in a different guise).

          But if everyone’s happy with what Brexit actually brings, as opposed to what it promised, it’s all good…

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 8:58 am #

            Boris’ other bit of fearmongering to get the Brexit vote was (a) imminent Turkish accession to the EU and (b) the creation of a European army.

            Turkish accession to the EU was never going to happen (Boris has since told the Turks that he will support their efforts to join the EU now that the UK isn’t in it). And it’s only the UK leaving that has made it possible for the EU to create its own army.


            “It’s not clear what personal involvement Mr Johnson he had – if any – in shaping the Turkey strategy.

            But Vote Leave campaign director Dominic Cummings wrote after the referendum: “If Boris, Gove, and Gisela had not supported us and picked up the baseball bat marked ‘Turkey/NHS/£350 million’ with five weeks to go, then 650,000 votes might have been lost.”

            Note, re those notional 650,000 votes potentially lost if the lies hadn’t been told, that if the 700,000 UK citizens living and working in the EU-27 hadn’t been denied a vote in their own country’s referendum, the total loss to the leave campaign would potentially have pretty much equalled the actual winning majority. Or it may have considerably exceeded it. Boris’ lies paid off. We’ll see how far they take him before his political career ends in the same way all political careers do.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

          Yeah, why care about your own kid more than a random kid on the street? They’re all just kids. Or you wife more than a random – or not so random! – woman on the street. Families are slated for scrap heap of history, right Commie? Ditto Nations….

          Of course Alba doesn’t pick up this low hanging fruit. I assume she’s “down with it” even if she isn’t “into” trannies like Cargillian.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

            Do you miss the point for a living?

      • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

        Truth be told, I remember you saying things to this effect. But of course you didn’t really care since you think Britain doesn’t really have the moral right to survive as the Land of the British Peoples. In fact, it has a moral obligation NOT to, right?

        One way or another, you people are getting your way and the aliens keep pouring in, creating more problems which supposedly can only be cured by more aliens, ideally even more loathsome than the previous ones.

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 5:48 pm #

          More drivel. But thanks for noting that I did warn you Brexit wasn’t really the point and globalism in the UK isn’t dependent on EU membership.

  45. shabbaranks February 28, 2020 at 9:59 pm #

    Corona, in other words, is not a Woke virus. It discriminates on the basis of sex, and age.

    1. As far as we know right now, you are only going to die of this virus if you have severe underlying health conditions and are elderly. And, even then, the fatality rate is 3.6% for those aged 60 to 69, 8% for those aged 70 to 79 and 14% for people who are over the age of 80.

    2. The mortality rate among males is roughly double that among females.

    3. You’re also vanishingly unlikely to develop complications from Corona if you are a child


    • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 1:54 am #

      What is the mortality rate for reinfection a second time? Third time?

      What is the mortality rate if the hospitals are overwhelmed such that people have to self treat?

      How many people can afford a $250,000 Hospital bill?

      Does it shorten life span due to organ damage?

      How many people can afford to be out of work for several months?

      What happens in confined living conditions, like schools, prisons, hospitals, military barracks, etc.? Democratic National Convention?

      • dolph9 February 29, 2020 at 6:00 am #

        Republican National Convenction? White males and their Asian partners?

  46. BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 12:16 am #

    Not getting much attention in CFNation, but war in Syria has erupted again in spectacular fashion, seems to have entered a whole new phase. Turkey has engaged the Syrian army in NE Syria, around the city of Idbid. Russian, Iranian and Kurd forces are involved as well, and there are over a million destitute and freezing civilians trapped with nowhere to go. Interviewed by BBC, most of them want to go to Europe. Turkey, being a NATO member, has appealed for help from NATO. Turkey had to remind NATO and western Europe they are holding hundreds of thousands of war refugees in camps already and it wouldn’t take much to open up the gates and point those people west — toward Germany, France, Holland and Great Britain. Another refugee crises is brewing.


    • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 6:48 am #

      I mentioned that ages ago, brh, when people like Janos were wittering about the ‘Kalergi plan’ – they didn’t seem to know that Turkey was being paid by the EU to keep millions (not hundreds of thousands) of Syrians in Turkey. They’ve been Turkey’s bargaining chip for a while.

      BtW, ‘Idbid’ = Idlib.

      • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 6:53 am #

        Some of them have already left. The Turkish government was previously refusing to let them board buses to go EU-ward, and now it’s just letting them go. Greece has closed its borders, so they’re stuck in misery in no-man’s land in winter. Apparently the Turks aren’t particularly nice to their Syrian refugees either, so they don’t want to stay there if they don’t have to. Who’d be a Syrian these days? And Syria already had both Palestinian and Iraqi refugee camps itself before the war – saw them myself when we were there, just outside Damascus, like a shanty town.

        • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 10:38 am #

          I think the Kalergi Plan is defunct, refugees moving toward Bulgaria and Greece and are massing at the borders.

          Greece and Bulgaria have deployed their respective armys to the frontier. A monumental humanitarian crisis could be brewing.

          Actually, Turkey is sheltering over 3 million refugees, not hundreds of thousands. They all could be headed to Europe, but what country in Europe.

          Sweden is already a lost cause. I say let them go to Sweden, Breadline Bernies Socialist Utopia.


          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 11:05 am #

            Everyone likes things to be someone’s fault these days. Whose fault would you like it to be, brh? Presumably not the families who’ve watched their homes, schools and hospitals turned to rubble and their family members killed. And what would you like to have seen done to prevent any of it or what’s happening now?

            I wonder how stable the region might have remained if your country, with us playing Robin to your Batman, hadn’t invaded Iraq on entirely spurious reasons. Do you feel even a bit bad about that? Do you think Bush and Blair do?

          • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 1:53 pm #

            Civil War in Syria began with peaceful ‘Arab Spring’ protests in 2011; President Bush had been out of office 3 years by then.

            Why not bring it back to the days of Lawrence of Arabia and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and Great Britain carving up the Middle East like a Thenksgiving Turkey?

            Not everything is the fault of the United States. We’ve done a lot of good in the world and get very little credit for it.


          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

            The region is usually unstable, at least since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Our country? Rather the Lords of the World decided to use this instability to create a World Crisis and provide a pretext on which to expedite the Kalergi Plan.

            Else why not let them shelter in Turkey and provide aid there? A culture and people much more like their own and much closer to their homelands? The pretext is very, very thin, but you don’t get that, enamored as you are with BBC agitprop.

            There are wheels within wheels here. And they’re going to inundate the West with non-Whites by hook or by crook, thus fulfilling their long term Plan, known by some as the Kalergi Plan.

            Remember the “labor” ruse? Which never ended even after there were no more jobs to be had? Pretty thin, right? But did you see thru it? No you folks enabled it because you have your own Wheel, the Reparations one. I mean at least be clear in your own mind about the game you are playing. Do you think Soros ever gets confused about all the different roles he is playing? He doesn’t because he has a Pole Star, namely the good of his Class and Ethne. Your Pole Star is a secret one, perhaps even to yourself – and pretty unhealthy and paltry when revealed to the light of day.

            No, fiend Alba, Monsieur Kalergi made a real contribution. Did he think of it or did one of his Jewish girlfriends? In any case, he spent the rest of his life pitching it to the Elite. And they loved it and decided to go with it.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 8:54 am #

            “Else why not let them shelter in Turkey and provide aid there? A culture and people much more like their own and much closer to their homelands? The pretext is very, very thin, but you don’t get that, enamored as you are with BBC agitprop.”

            You seem obsessed with the BBC, Janos, yet I cite them far less than several others on here from your own neck of the woods. It’s a bizarre obsession – they’re not even my favoured news channel when it comes to bog standard TV sources. Sources of information are many here as in the US.

            In the meantime, the refugees have indeed been sheltering in Turkey, courtesy of the financial contributions of the EU. Three million of them, for the last four years. I’m fine with them staying in Turkey until they can eventually (hopefully) return home to their native land, but it depends on Turkey’s willingness, which in turn, seems to depend not only on finance but on the leveraging power it gives them in relation to the EU, which DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE IN ANOTHER THREE MILLION SYRIANS, despite your paranoid fantasies.

            The Turks do not seem over enamoured with the idea of hosting the Syrian refugees, just because they’re Muslims, any more than you seem enamoured of hosting desperate Central Americans just because they’re Christians.

  47. malthuss February 29, 2020 at 12:50 am #

    Elrond, do you think animals in the wild are getting prion disease.
    Some say the die off in deer and elk is due to prions disease.

    And the friends brother who got CJD was a vegetarian, but not since birth.

    • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 7:02 am #

      Sheep get scrapie, which is similar to BSE. It’s been known about since the 1730s, but, unlike BSE, it doesn’t cross to humans. And it arises naturally without them being fed dodgy stuff, as the cows were in the BSE crisis.


      So it would depend on the particular encephalopathy, if it existed in wild animals, whether it would be transmissible to humans.

      • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 10:21 am #


  48. wpa_ccc February 29, 2020 at 3:05 am #

    Trump comes nowhere near Obama’s record. The change in the Dow Jones Industrial Average from the day they were inaugurated into the presidency through Feb 28 of their 4th year in office:

    Trump +28%

    Obama +63%

    Just like he did with his businesses, Trump is bankrupting America.

    • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

      Nov. 1 2016

      Clinton 62%

      Trump 38%

      You know what you can do with you lying polls, Little Jane.


  49. wpa_ccc February 29, 2020 at 3:11 am #

    2020 head-to-heads from Fox News poll:

    Biden 49%, Trump 41%

    Sanders 49%, Trump 42%

    Bloomberg 48%, Trump 40%

    Warren 46%, Trump 43%

    Buttigieg 45%, Trump 42%

    Klobuchar 44%, Trump 43%

    Trump loses in every case. American people are not dumb. Trump’s time is office is soon over, no matter what candidate opposes him.

    Source: Fox News

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    • dolph9 February 29, 2020 at 5:28 am #

      I don’t support Trump, but I think he’ll win.

      Remember two crucial factors: the complete failure of the polling system, already proven in 2016, and the fact that incumbents are heavily favored. Think Bush 2004 and Obama 2012.

      Plus the fact that the electoral system has a republican bias, as the crucial swing states have large amounts of fence sitting whites who will ultimately fall back on their nationalistic fears, and vote republican. The minority democratic coalition is always theorized but never actually comes true, because minorities are heavily concentrated in cities and blue states where their votes hardly count, and plus they vote at fewer numbers than whites.

      In America, older conservative whites always turn out to vote. Always. This will remain true forever. They showed up for Obama because of his white blood. They would never vote for a full black.

      • Cargill February 29, 2020 at 7:17 am #

        There will have to be a big up-swelling of enthusiasm for one of the Dem candidates soon, if the party is to have any hope of overturning Trump, and also having wins down-ticket.. Not seeing much evidence of that so far..

    • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 10:21 am #

      go bernie

    • Patriot February 29, 2020 at 4:45 pm #

      Since when did a left-winger like yourself believe anything that Fox News provided, Janet?

  50. akmofo February 29, 2020 at 6:40 am #

    “We make the mistake of negotiating communism/socialism on economics, when in reality it is about metaphysics and ontology—it is about attacking and destroying your values, your culture, your ideas and the foundations of your society.” – Joshua Philipp

    • PeteAtomic February 29, 2020 at 9:27 am #

      that’s a good quote!

      • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 4:36 pm #

        Joshua Philipp is great intellectual. One of my favorites.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

      True. There is much more to Marxism than economics. The new PC Communism of the West is the proof of that. My Socialism on the other hand is to the Right of Attila the Hun – just like yours. We’re both National Socialists in the larger sense. And that includes a regulated Capitalism as you well know.

      • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 4:39 pm #

        Your commie Vatican is backing Sanders and attacking Trump. You’re on the wrong side, Janos. No such thing is national in Socialism, it was all marketing.

  51. JohnAZ February 29, 2020 at 9:26 am #


    You were right the other day.

    Bloomberg is crazy. He is supposed to be a businessman. His adherence to Democratic principles is a denial of his common sense regarding good business principles.

    Coolidge was right, the business of America is business. The “good” times we look back on in history are “good” business times. “Bad” times are when the business cycle in not working well. “Bad” times are caused by lousy polity in the country. Lousy business sense.

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

      Well business sense is a good thing if it creates good for society. But business is just one part of life and there is more to life than business. Bloomberg is a diehard Globalist from what I can tell. In that regard, even if he has great business sense he is very damaging to the country. The fact that we could have medicine and medical supply shortages because almost all of that production is in China right there proves the Globalist idea doesn’t work out in the real world. And Globalist open borders invites contagions and crimes in.

      • JohnAZ February 29, 2020 at 4:16 pm #

        Maybe Trump nationalism will convince more folks after they get Co 19 coming across the southern border with no restriction.

    • Cargill February 29, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

      His adherence to Democratic principles is a denial of his common sense regarding good business principles.

      Coolidge was right, the business of America is business.

      And Coolidge (plus cronies) led pretty directly to the Great Depression … and as usual a Democrat had to save America from itself again (and get re-elected three times).

      If you’re the 1% – or even the 20% – you might think American capitalist greed is good, but for the vast majority of working Americans, they’re always going to be better off under a Democratic government.

      • Patriot February 29, 2020 at 4:47 pm #

        You’re so right, comrade-mate. Joe Biden even said that FDR went on TY in 1929 to reassure the American people

        • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 5:40 am #

          In Australia, we would say Joe isn’t playing with a full deck, a brick shy of a load, a sandwich short of a picnic.

          Joe, Free Beer Bernie, and the Dumpster … they’re simply all too old for the job. Warren is too probably, but at least she comes across so much more youthful, with all the relevant neurons in place.

  52. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 9:27 am #

    “Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha gonna do….”

    “Cops was filmed before a live, obese, half-sentient studio audience of Neanderthals.”

    They’re going to use the virus to fight the cops in Hong Kong? One infected protester could potentially wipe out the cops. The cops all travel around into those cramped buses and live in those crowded police quarters. They have to go home to kiss the wives, kids, and girlfriends. The cops won’t know who’s infected and who’s not.


  53. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 9:34 am #

    At some point, the Millennials may figure out that in regards to the Covid 19 virus the morality for young people is relatively low as compared to the Baby Boomers? I’m not sure whether, generally speaking, the Millennials even like the Baby Boomers?

    You could envision all kinds of bizarre scenarios. You could have a young college student who experiences the Covid 19 virus as just a minor case of the sniffles, but who is angry with his aged, asshole Professor who gave him a crappy grade on his exam which caused the student to lose his financial aid. The college student then books a session with the Professor to go over his failed exam one-on-one.

    • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 10:08 am #

      I know a bloke who once taught elementary school in the US. He said that one afternoon as he was going over a failed exam with a weird kid during a one-on-one after school session, he looked up at the kid and was horrified to see that the kid was trying to squeeze out surreptitiously a silent fart while standing next to the teacher’s desk and the teacher. The Covid 19 virus can be transferred via aerosol such as a bad fart of some weird-looking kid.

      Later , the teacher could find himself fighting to breath with pneumonia in intensive care confronting the horrifying thought that it was that weird kid’s fart that did it.

      • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 11:10 am #

        Perhaps you see a market niche for fart masks, Pucker, to be warn inside your undies.

        In the meantime a harmless thunderclap from a pretty child would get you just the same.

      • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 11:32 am #

        So the Ancients were correct? Disease spread through Miasma?

        • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

          Weird-looking fat white kid named Billy as the apocalyptic virus “Super Spreader” who wipes out millions of people.

      • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

        One is reminded of Dan Savage at the Republican Convention crawling around licking door knobs.

        • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 6:12 pm #

          Janos, your reference was outside my knowledge. So I did a little search and found this NY Post article from FEB 01, 2000.

          “SEX columnist Dan Savage may have thought his icky germ-warfare attack on Gary Bauer’s Iowa campaign was a terrific prank — but the joke may be on him.

          Loras Schulte, Bauer’s Iowa campaign director, is planning to file a criminal voter-fraud complaint against Savage. He is investigating lodging assault charges against the columnist, who bragged online that he tried to spread the flu by licking doorknobs and coffee cups.

          Why has the mainstream media ignored this story, with its profound implications for media ethics, gay politics and the integrity of the democratic process?

          Are hate crimes not hate crimes when committed against Christian conservatives?

          The media’s silence says it all.”

          • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

            I see further down malthuss beat me to the story. Oh well, great minds think alike.

  54. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 10:14 am #

    I find that horrifying photo of Gail Collins very disturbing.

    Do you think that one of those online Skype Doctors would give me a Medical Marijuana Card if I tell him/ her that I have back pain and that I’m disturbed after seeing Gail Collins’ photo on a Doomer blog?

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  55. BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 10:18 am #

    A few books being released that may be of some interest to readers of this blog:

    Akfomo, new bio of Theodor Herzl

    Theodor Herzl:
    Charismatic Leader

    By Derek Penslar

    Anointed With Oil: How Christianity and Crude made Modern America

    by Darren Dochuk

    for your reading pleasure and general edification


    • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 10:22 am #


      What you dont get is who the left is and how they ruined the USA.

      • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 11:11 am #

        Who is the left?
        VATICAN’T: UN Population Control


        Disheartened Catholic journalist with many YouTube videos exposing the Vatican for its communist agenda.

        Who is the right?

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 1:10 pm #

          If countries don’t control their populations, where is it that you want the excess people to go when their country hasn’t enough homes and jobs for them? Or just farms? Currently lots of them are seeking accommodation in the US.

          I’ve only read the comments, btw, but they’re gobsmacking. These people need to listen to Sid Smith’s presentation about the bunnies in the meadow. And he’s a Catholic.

          • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

            If countries don’t control their populations–so what do you think is best?

            Here in Los angeles, I see many living in vehicles or on the street. The mayor had called this ‘A 3rd world city’.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

            I get that it’s a major problem over your way, malthuss.

            What I don’t get is how intelligent people think everyone who wants one can have a family of 4, 5, 6 or 8 children without us cloning our planet. The people on that thread weren’t Somalians, they were Western Catholics, having children for the glory of God. And I know that it’s the Somalians (as an example) who are the problem, not the West, but if these people had their way, the west would be overflowing with children with no jobs and homes to look forward to and no New World for them to emigrate to. Maybe if you live in Wyoming, it’s hard to imagine a problem. They used to say Ireland’s biggest export was its children, and for good reason.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

            True, Alba. And now Ireland died as the People reproduce below replacement level and are being replaced by Nigerians, etc. Yet you fail to see this a failure as well. The question becomes, Why do you refuse to see?

            In the larger sense, the inability to regulate our population is proof positive of our fallen nature. You merely err on the other side of the golden mean, the side of sterility. And you think that makes you superior…..

          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

            It’s a personal decision, Mrs Green. The Vatican should not be on any side. It’s none of their business. We fought many wars with the Vatican over such things. They should lose their tax-exempt status for their involvement with the UN or their involvement with other political organizations and political agendas.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 5:56 pm #

            “It’s a personal decision, Mrs Green. ”

            It’s a personal decision with serious social, political and economic repercussions, Mr Mofo, and therefore requires the exercise of personal responsibility. In many countries – I don’t speak for yours.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 5:57 pm #


            I leave Ireland to make its own decisions. Perhaps you should too.

          • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 6:39 pm #

            Isn’t this point rather moot? Europe, Japan, China, Russia, and other areas are in population decline. The USA would be without immigration. I’ve seen projections that even Africa and the Indian subcontinent will soon turn the corner from population growth to decline.

            Of course, Bill and Melinda Gates can’t wait, hence engineered viral epidemics. The Georgia Guide Stones say 500 million people on earth is a good number for “sustainability”. To get there fast we just need a little help from our globalist masters. The corona virus is just the first of many means to that end.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 9:08 am #

            “Isn’t this point rather moot? Europe, Japan, China, Russia, and other areas are in population decline.”

            Exactly, hm. That’s why I didn’t want to speak for Israel. There’s hardly a thread that goes by on here where people aren’t lamenting the surplus populations from countries where family sizes are inadequately controlled arriving on their doorstep and looking for accommodation. I don’t see anything ‘racist’ in agreeing that it would be better if they had smaller families that their own countries could better accommodate, any more than finding it sad that Ireland’s children had to leave home in such huge numbers because their country, likewise, couldn’t feed them (similarly the original huddled masses from all over Europe that came your way). It all comes back to Sid Smith’s bunnies in the meadow (spoiler: they all died).

            But people will keep having large families while (a) religions consider large families blessed, even if it’s just to keep their numbers up compared to the other religions, and (b) while children are people’s only security in old age. Prosperity changes this, but we know what the prospects for increasing prosperity are in a peak-everything world, so it doesn’t take us very far.

            Shrinking families in the countries you mention wouldn’t be so much of a problem (especially in a situation of shrinking resources) if it weren’t for the fact that our economies operate like a Ponzi scheme. The number of people in a given region can be fairly arbitrary – it’s the imperative for economic growth that creates problems, in terms of keeping the wheels turning.

    • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 11:04 am #

      Will check it out, thanks.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

      Herzl, in his journals, admitted that Anti-Semitism was often rational, since the Jews pursued their own interests with a passion, regardless of the needs of the nations in which they resided.

      • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

        Yes, I think he came to that conclusion from his studies of the Talmud. Likely he was using your personal translation Janos.

        • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

          No, the Talmud would urge him to feel fine about whatever the Jews need to do in order to prosper. You got it wrong, again.

          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

            I’m glad I have you as my Talmud expert to correct me.
            Maybe you’re the real Jew, and I’m just the pretender?

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

            Yes, perhaps I should have been born a Jew since I defeat most of you in debate quite readily. And perhaps your Aryan genes are getting the best of you. In any case, you claimed to know nothing about the Talmud – remember? Or are you saying now that you do?

          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 7:07 pm #

            It’s not about winning, Janos. It’s about getting closer to the truth. And youz allergic to it, worse than JHK professes he’s allergic to “conspiracies”. JHK, to his credit, lately started to see the truth and even suggested the anti-Trump commie mafia be tried under RICO statutes, though when I do the math for him and add two and two together to show him the Vatican, he grabs for his magic eraser like a frightened child who just saw the boogeyman.

  56. sleek111 February 29, 2020 at 10:57 am #

    Symptoms of this deadly disease in the body politic can be traced back in time not only during the entire history of this republic, but throughout human history.

    In truth, Mr. Kuntsler, we are ALL infected from conception.

    And that is why we have been confined to this corner of our galaxy, floating thru space, in our own self-contained asylum known otherwise as planet earth.

    The howls and screams of the inmates reverberate thru time, and testify to our lunacy.

    • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

      Yes, this is a Prison Planet. We’re all doing time….

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

      I’m sorry but it should actually be “In truth, Mr. Kunstler..”

  57. JCalvertNUK February 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

    Kuru might perhaps explain Nancy Pelosi’s strange murmurings and tics.
    But my preferred explanation is that excess botox has somehow leaked into her brain.
    (And Adam Schift has Graves’ Disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graves%27_ophthalmopathy )

    • hmuller March 1, 2020 at 11:55 am #

      Good one. LOL.

  58. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 12:50 pm #


    I went out recently to WalMart to stock up on storable food and water.

    This is how the Russians used to prep under Stalin:

    “ Parents kept bags packed for prison and Mauser and Chagan pistols under their pillows, ready to commit suicide. The cleverer ones arranged a schedule for their children in case they were arrested: the mother of Zoya Zarubina, the stepdaughter of a Chekist, showed her how to gather warm clothes and take her little sister, aged eight, to a distant relative in the countryside. 4”

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    Simon Sebag Montefiore

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

      That’s really sad but makes sense they would have coached their kids on how and where to escape too. You know how they say it’s always good to have a plan B. Well, they told you that so you would not be as prepared as they are because in reality it’s actually better to have plans A through Z.

  59. Htruth February 29, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    How Long Can The Coronavirus Live On Surfaces? COVID-19 https://youtu.be/64_3Yw1wRyg

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    • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

      “How Long Can The Coronavirus Live On Surfaces? COVID-19”


      Hard to say…it has been reported, however, that it can live and prosper on Uranus….

    • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 10:04 pm #

      If an envelope from China then an envelope from Muskogee that might have been in the same mailbag could be just as potentially hazardous.

      Better get paid up on your life insurance but don’t lick the envelope when you send your payment in.

  60. volodya February 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm #

    The mind is poorly understood, hence, its diseases are poorly understood, psychology as much a crap science as its sister “ologies”, economics and sociology, the practitioners of all three posing as serious academics but regularly taking flight into realms of the unreal, positing arguments that only intellectuals could embrace, but nobody else of sound mind and body.

    How else do we find ourselves in the fixes we find ourselves in? Open borders? Seriously? Only the serious man-of-learning, someone who sports degrees and diplomas and high honors could seriously embrace such lunacy. 

    What are borders for? Well, for starters, for laying claim to a patch of land and the resources sitting on it and under it, whether of the agricultural type or the hydrological or the mineral, and others too, but also because borders are the basis for nationhood. 

    But also as barriers to many types of contagion, for example, those of a biological variety, especially those that spread person-to-person, but not only those, but also those of the ideological sort. Do you want ISIS firebrands trespassing on your turf?  

    And financial contagion. Yes, yes, I can hear the sneers and jeers from those committed to neo-liberal theory with the EU and NAFTA and other such crack-pot arrangements as real-world manifestations, but let’s compare notes when DBank goes tits and starts bringing down contractual counter-parties in daisy chains of defaults and insolvencies and half the banks in the formerly developed West start looking titsy and you start to fear for your savings and livelihood. 

    You’d be excused for thinking of our allegedly educated class as being crazy, because that’s exactly what they are, because if they’re not that, adopting nonsense as the idea of the elevated in mind and morality, then what exactly are they? Three years of Russia-gate is not the work of healthy, rational minds. Call it kuru or whatever diagnostic label you see fit, but crazy is crazy.   

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

      Well basically they are different sets of cults. They have specific goals for the world and human existence. Unfortunately there is no ruling cult that represents true, indigenous nationalism in Western countries that have any significant sway over government and politics. The current crop of Populists are still pretty invested in old style Globalism and rampant immigration from everything I see. Perhaps this new pandemic and the fact that Turkey is once again opening the migrant flood gates will actually change minds in Europe about open borders? Don’t hold your breath lol.

      • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:18 pm #

        “Perhaps this new pandemic and the fact that Turkey is once again opening the migrant flood gates will actually change minds in Europe about open borders? Don’t hold your breath lol.”

        Why do you think minds in Europe need to be changed when it’s the EU that’s paying been paying Turkey all these years to keep the refugees in Turkey? It wasn’t the EU that started the destabilisation of the region, if I recall – practically none of them voted for to support the Iraq war and the French had to put up with your numpty president calling them cheese-eating surrender monkeys for refusing to join you in an illegal war. Any regrets? Any feelings of responsibility for destabilising a problematic region?

        What’s your actual practical suggestion, SSL, for the Syrian refugees? Do you want to be part of a firing squad to solve the problem?

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

          voted to support…

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

          Anyone who uses the moronic expression LOL in relation to a problem like this takes my breath away.

          • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 3:26 pm #

            Well its funny the EU has been appeasing a troublemaker like Turkey for so long and spent millions or trillions of dollars to keep refugees out and look at what Turkey is doing. Spitting in your face and laughing at you. Yes, you absolutely need firing squads at the border. The threat alone would be enough to stop most of the migrants. Make Turkey house and pay for their fellow Muslim migrants. Lol.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 6:03 pm #

            Why me? I’m not part of the EU and it’s not my border. LOL.

            Turkey’s a member of NATO. What are you going to do if they demand your help against Syria?

            Do you have any actual human sympathy for people displaced by war?

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 6:06 pm #

            Yes, life is a lolocoaster. Anyone who can’t lol the lol is the enemy of those who can.

            Lolling is good for the immune system too.

          • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 6:14 pm #

            “Make Turkey house and pay for their fellow Muslim migrants. Lol.”

            Like you want to house and pay for your fellow Christian migrants from Central America? LOL.

          • akmofo February 29, 2020 at 8:25 pm #

            Turkey’s a member of NATO. What are you going to do if they demand your help against Syria?

            Did Syria invade Turkey, or is it the other way around?

          • Majella February 29, 2020 at 8:57 pm #

            SSL – “…appeasing a troublemaker like Turkey for so long…”

            Troublemaker? Please expand on the trouble Turkey has been making (since the end of WW!, that is).

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

            I do have empathy but I am also tired of that empathy being used against me. You’re right! Britain was smart enough to get out of the EU while the gettin was good. Turkey is simply not trustworthy because they are constantly threatening to do this and that if they don’t get their way. What kind of friend is that? So therefore I think the borders with Turkey need to be guarded with arms and Turkey forced to take care of the refugees they have let in intentionally to cause havoc. Then the Europeans can airdrop supplies to the refugees directly. Close contact can’t be risked because the Middle East is infested with coronavirus and I also think that is another reason Turkey is doing what they are doing right at this time. Malignant and malicious people are deserving of punishment.

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

            Majella, Turkey has become increasingly Authoritarian since Erdogan took office. The country is also in a long term process of reverting back to a more Puritanical, Wahhab-like Islam. Turkey is not European and never will be. You can look up online how Turkey has been underhanded in many ways to the EU and Nato and to the all important ideal of Democracy that both orgs pander to. Ultimately the only thing they could be to the West is an occasional ally in trade. Maybe. Certainly they are not a friend.

        • Nightowl March 1, 2020 at 4:03 am #

          Make that two numpty presidents: the Shrub and the Drone Ranger.

          Let’s not pretend Operation Timber Sycamore never happened.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 9:46 am #

            Not disagreeing with that, Nightowl. Yet another reason to get pissed off when Americans claim no responsibility for what goes on in the Middle East, then talk about the human fallout as if the families affected were nothing better than vermin. The Syrians are a proud and educated people, like the Iraqis.

    • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

      As poorly understood the mind is, consciousness even less so.

      The one solution to all problems is LOVE. It is the answer to the mystery of life.

      Religions, in their misguided thinking generally speak of satan, the devil, or like symbols, mistakenly regarding a metaphor as the real thing. Demonic symbols are representations of the ego.

      Every one of us is born with one challenge. To overcome the ego. The reward is the experience of LOVE.

      So far to the best of my knowledge no one has achieved it.

      • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

        And that means open border and open legs and lots of disease. Such is your Love. How do small, dark vicious Comanche killers come into this Luv of yours? Or is that a separate engram and tangle of neurons?

        You have to choose between the Coca Cola Commercial and these rapist/torturers. Of course neither one of them is the Truth or the real Love which is God.

        You did too many drugs. Or not enough. I attained unto Clarity and you never did. Still working on the Love aspect. Great warriors like Ali or Arjuna could kill without ever feeling any hatred. Just doing what needed to be done.

        • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

          “Great warriors like Ali or Arjuna could kill without ever feeling any hatred.”

          Any common or garden psychopath can do that without wasting time on ‘attaining clarity’.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

            No, they feel hatred or the contempt of indifference. The Holy Indifference of the Saints includes what you call “love”. It is not wholly indifferent….

            Love not love. Not sticky sentiment (which you abhor to your credit), but equally, far from the Victorian Cult of Respectability which is your raison d’etre.

            Such proud “virtue” is a luxury, one given to you by great Men of War like Nelson and Duke Wellington. Why do you not praise them, nay worship them as tutelary spirits and guardians? Such hypocrisy is allowable in beautiful young women, and only as long as they remain beautiful and young. But even then, it is a blemish to be overlooked. We will teach them to be better!

          • Majella March 2, 2020 at 6:48 am #

            For pity’s sake…! You can certainly drivel on and on and on about absolutely nothing of relevance, can’t you?

        • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

          To achieve clarity of mind requires overcoming the first enemy. Fear.

          Clarity of mind becomes the second enemy.

          It sounds doubtful you’ve attained what you think you did.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 10:50 pm #

            You have definitely vanquished the second enemy, clarity of mind.

          • EvelynV March 1, 2020 at 3:46 am #

            Shows how little you understand Janos.

        • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

          God which is LOVE

          The only true thing you said, but you don’t realized it.

          Supreme Being is a verb, not a noun.

          • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 6:44 pm #

            I prefer the new, spiritual Evelyn to the old projectile vomiting Trump hater. In the greater scheme of things ‘he too shall pass’, maintain perspective and serenity.

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

            Yes, God is Love. It is one of His aspects and one that everyone can understand, at least conceptually speaking.

      • Patriot February 29, 2020 at 4:52 pm #

        You’re wrong and Tina Turner was right: “What’s Love Got To Do With It.?”

        • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

          You may not believe it but basically everything.

  61. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 1:27 pm #

    The Young Turks

    The “Enemies” of the Millennials are the Baby Boomers, right? So some Millennials might actually welcome the Covid 19 virus to the extent that it tends to wipe out the aging Baby Boomers, but leave the younger Millennials standing?

    “ Stepan used to creep in and peep at the extraordinary revelations of their own family friends who turned out to be Enemies. Every household had its “expunger”: in the Mikoyan household, Sergei Shaumian, adopted son of a late Old Bolshevik, went through all the family photograph albums erasing the faces of Enemies as they were arrested and shot, a horrible distortion of the colouring-in books that most children so enjoy.6 Even if they did not grasp the randomness of death, they were aware that it was ever present and they accepted that the coming of war meant Enemies had to be killed. The children talked about it among themselves: Vasily Stalin gleefully told Artyom Sergeev and his Redens cousins about arrests.”

    Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar
    Simon Sebag Montefiore

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

      Lol I dunno about that but you always have some nuts in the batch so you never can be sure. I heard that in China some people were coughing on elevator buttons and handrails and stuff just to be spiteful little insects. I’m getting tired of worrying about the virus. If its just like a cold or flu-like but not super serious for many then maybe it’s not that scary. But then what? That virus is still in you and its new and nobody can know for sure if that is bad or not.

      • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 1:58 pm #

        I have read a way of fixing the ‘pension crisis’ [if there is one] is depopulation.

        There are talks on youtube [I was just banned from fakebook for a mild post–chinese are sick is wot I posted] like..
        I hope you appreciate this…took awhile to find…

        IT HAS BEEN A GOOD LIFE—https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CDZiR3yGtI

      • GreenAlba February 29, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

        “I heard that in China some people were coughing on elevator buttons and handrails and stuff just to be spiteful little insects. ”

        Really? Got a link for that?

        Did you hear the Huns used to eat English babies too?

        For the rest, maybe you need some of that old time religion that tells you to stop worrying because the Lord’s got the whole world in his hand and nothing will happen that he doesn’t want to happen. So, chill. Heaven is better than this vale of tears, allegedly, so why are you so desperate to avoid it?

        Should I add ‘LOL’ to that to get with the zeitgeist? 🙂

        • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

          So people don’t go around giving people AIDS even though they know they have it? And refuse to abstain or to use protection? It is well known that they do, you silly goose.

          Now go and ask what this has to do with your question? Go ahead and show how clueless you are, how unable to divine a principle.

          You deny the Kalergi Plan but it depends on people like you. You are a part of it, and proud to be so. The Plan never specified a means just an End. Does that make it clearer? Any and all means are thus open to them. Obviously White guilt and mindless altruism are a very potent means once applied.

          • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 5:48 pm #


          • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 4:18 am #

            The Kalergi Plan … or sometimes called the Coudenhove-Kalergi Conspiracy, is a far-right,anti-semitic, white nationalist conspiracy theory,which states that a plot to mix white Europeans with other races via immigration was constructed by Austrian-Japanese politician Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and promoted in aristocratic European social circles.

            The conspiracy theory is most often associated with European groups and parties, but it has also spread to North American politics.


            So GA I wouldn’t get too excited by the Janos script – we’re dealing with the ultra lunar right here. Perhaps he needs some more tinfoil in his hat.

        • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

          Some infected people are deliberately trying to spread the virus. Sick….


          • Majella March 2, 2020 at 6:51 am #

            Gee -that’ll certainly dent their Social Rating score…

        • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

          There were videos about it on youtube. Along with videos of Chinese people enjoying bats and live mice for dinner. I can’t believe you have missed out on that info! No I didn’t hear that Huns ate English babies but I did read that the Mongols used Hungarian children for target practice. Archery practice? So it probably could have been. What I wish you would do is get real. It’s ok to be concerned about world events and still have faith. You know that but act like you can’t imagine it so I will incorporate an lol because I see right through it.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 10:16 am #

            I didn’t miss the mice and the bats, thanks. I hadn’t seen the other videos, so thank you for the information.

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

            I’m always glad to be part of the learning process! 🙂

        • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 5:46 pm #

          here, you dishonest fool.
          Flu can be deadly.
          Gay Icon tried to spread flu to ‘conservatives’–so take that, you,


          • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm #

            gay activist spreads deadly disease, intentionally,
            SEX columnist Dan Savage may have thought his icky germ-warfare attack on Gary Bauer’s Iowa campaign was a terrific prank — but the joke may be on him.

            Loras Schulte, Bauer’s Iowa campaign director, is planning to file a criminal voter-fraud complaint against Savage. He is investigating lodging assault charges against the columnist, who bragged online that he tried to spread the flu by licking doorknobs and coffee cups.

            Schulte is also fighting the flu.

            A civil suit against Salon.com, which published Savage’s undercover account of working for Bauer, is also being discussed among the Iowa Bauerites who were the gay radical’s targets.

            “I don’t want to be vindictive or un-Christian, but Christians aren’t supposed to be doormats,” Schulte tells me.

            An apology would not be enough. He says legal and financial penalties “are the only things these people respect.”

            He appears to have a good case.

            Republicans unearthed Savage’s voter-registration form, in which he certifies he is an Iowa resident. The address Seattle resident Savage gave is a Des Moines hotel where he had been staying a week.

            The Iowa attorney general’s office says if Savage can’t prove he signed that form honestly, intending to establish permanent residency in Iowa, he could face up to $7,500 in fines and five years in jail.

            If merely spitting on someone in Iowa fits the legal definition of simple assault, how could spreading saliva intending to cause medical injury to others possibly be legit?

            And get this: If you assault someone in Iowa because of their religious or political affiliation, you violate the state’s hate-crimes statute. Simple assault thus becomes serious assault, which is punishable by up to a year in jail.

            Danny Boy’s smirky admission that he wanted to infect Bauer and his followers with the flu to get back at them for being members of the “religious right” looks pretty damning now. That’s not journalism, that’s evidence.

            Schulte should use the courts to hit these jackasses hard. Savage is a narcissist and a liar, a disgrace to both journalism and gay activism.

          • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

            Great news. Savage Nation approves. Though I imagine the two Savages could easily mend their differences thru the higher third of mutually shared identity a la Trotsky and Rothschild.

          • Nightowl March 1, 2020 at 3:49 am #

            Dan Savage used to write a “sex advice” column in the DC City Paper.

            He was also known for trying to get Rick Santorum’s (who I couldn’t care less about, just for the record) last name accepted as an official definition in various online dictionaries for the mix of semen and fecal matter that results from anal sex.

            Because he hates himself.

  62. wwg1wga February 29, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

    This is a test of the non-emergency broadcast system.


  63. Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 3:05 pm #

    First US death. Trump says she was a wonderful person.


    I almost never get colds, knock on wood (where’s Elrond?). Is this in my favor? Alba’s daughter said, healthy people don’t get it. True? Healthy people get all kinds of illnesses, then they aren’t healthy anymore.

    Perhaps the Truth is in the middle. To the extent it’s like the flu, then I’m in luck. To the extent it’s like AIDS, I’m not. Of course Whites do better with that than many others. So another point for Us.

    • SoftStarLight February 29, 2020 at 3:40 pm #

      I noticed that the he says healthy people should be able to recover after going through a process. That’s kinda leaving things to the imagination and not very comforting. Because this is a new virus to us we are all susceptible to it simply because we have not dealt with it before. Allegedly most should be able to deal with the infection and get over it. But if it has long term effects on the immune system then anyone who catches this would be in long term danger. If that really is true about it.

      • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 6:00 pm #

        And Fat Bastard the germaphobe tells us to chill…


        • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 6:45 pm #

          So he didn’t lay down on a urine soaked bed with the whores who soaked it?

          Make up your mind.

          • hmuller February 29, 2020 at 7:29 pm #

            There was a regular contributor to this forum (since departed) who claimed he “remote viewed” Trump and the Moscow hookers performing the mattress urination. Hard to argue with that.

          • EvelynV February 29, 2020 at 8:23 pm #

            Urine is sterile. Only soaked after he clambered off it.

            Sexual congress with a harlot on the other hand…

          • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 9:54 pm #

            Yeah, I remember the remote viewer. It wasn’t that long ago.

            I wonder if he’s the same guy who used to appear on C2C, Major Ed Dane I think his name was, claimed to be remote viewer employed by the CIA.

            I mean how many remote viewers can there be? You have to admit its a unique talent.


          • Nightowl March 1, 2020 at 3:45 am #

            Oh, man. I had forgotten that.

            It was Robert White.

            Comedy gold.

          • benr March 1, 2020 at 8:56 am #


            Healthy people have stale urine.
            What about STD tainted…not so sterile.
            No way the Donald was rolling around in urine.

          • EvelynV March 1, 2020 at 10:47 am #


            If the possibility of STD was his concern why would he risk putting his stinger into such dangerous territory?

            No, I think the golden shower he had fits his persona much better.

      • elysianfield February 29, 2020 at 6:35 pm #

        “But if it has long term effects on the immune system then anyone who catches this would be in long term danger. If that really is true about it.”

        Maybe so, maybe not…but SOMETHING is scaring the shit out of the powers that be.

        • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 2:21 pm #

          Exactly! And their actions aren’t telling me that this is essentially something we have experienced like H1N1. I know that was like ten years ago but I don’t remember mass quarantines and global panic.

      • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 7:14 pm #

        Here is the strong medicine that you need:


        Nick Fuentes takes on Lady MAGA. Evil, like any disease, must be combated when it is still small. Lady MAGA is disease vector, a pathogen on many different levels. That it should can wander around CPAC on friendly terms with “conservatives” simply shows that their immune system is utterly compromised.

        • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

          Wow you’re right. Real Conservatives would not have even allowed that a few years ago at CPAC. What is going on? They literally are making deals with the Devil! It seems like the average Conservative is truly buying into the Leftist agenda and talking points. And they have become hopelessly Zionist. Thank God for Nick Fuentes! The Conservative Lites aren’t going to cut it.

    • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

      you are too much,

      No, fiend Alba, Monsieur Kalergi made a real contribution. Did he think of it or did one of his Jewish girlfriends? In any case, he spent the rest of his life pitching it to the Elite. And they loved it and decided to go with it.

    • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

      “Alba’s daughter said, healthy people don’t get it.”

      Alba’s daughter doesn’t go in for blanket assurances any more than her mother does.

      Alba’s daughter said she wasn’t that worried for herself because healthy, fit people mostly seem fine after they’ve contracted it. She’s aware that Chinese medics who were otherwise healthy have succumbed.

      She’s a numbers gal – she looks at the overall data. And then gets on with her life.

      • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

        mostly should have been italics, so you can have it in italics now.

  64. Pucker February 29, 2020 at 3:35 pm #

    Was it on this blog that some bloke posted a story about how he and his co-workers, in order to alleviate tension in the workplace, would after hours have food fights with pieces of raw chicken and then subsequently feed the chicken to customers?

    Like that photo of Gail Collins, I find this story a bit disturbing….

    What’s it like getting hit in the face with a raw chicken thigh?

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    • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 4:04 pm #

      What kind of anti-virus gas mask do you recommend for an urbane bloke?

      • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

        The Mask of the Red Death

        Vincent Prices’ estate is selling ’em cheap.


        • Pucker February 29, 2020 at 5:00 pm #

          Like those stylish masks in Venice during the time of the Black Plague?

        • Patriot February 29, 2020 at 5:03 pm #

          Along with a Cask Of Amontillado.

          • BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 7:57 pm #

            I would say Edgar Allen Poe was ahead of his time … by about 180 years.

            Crazy, haunted genius that he was.


        • Janos Skorenzy February 29, 2020 at 6:47 pm #

          A Masque is a Ball where the guests wear masks. Watch Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut.

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

            Lolocoaster. 🙂

  65. malthuss February 29, 2020 at 5:42 pm #

    Three weeks after becoming the first U.S. senator in history to vote to convict a president of his own party, Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah stopped in Denver on Friday night to discuss the state of democracies around the world.

    Romney was joined by Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former prime minister of Denmark, for a conversation at the University of Denver’s School of International Studies. The event was hosted by the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, a non-profit founded by Rasmussen to advance democracies and free markets.

    via drudge

    • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 2:16 pm #

      Well, no other US Republican Senator has any right to the honour of discussing ‘democracy’ with Mr Rasmussen at a university forum – or indeed anywhere.

  66. JohnAZ February 29, 2020 at 6:33 pm #

    During the Black Death in Europe. Gangs of religious zealots called Flagellants went town to town and beat themselves with whips to drive the disease away. Did not work.

    A good idea for some of our more insane folks today. Let’s get some of these political nut-jobs out there beating on themselves trying to chase Co19 away.

    • malthuss February 29, 2020 at 7:55 pm #


      bleeding eye disease

    • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 1:00 am #

      Trump has put a religious zealot in charge of the government’s pandemic response efforts, JohnAZ, so that may yet happen.

    • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:29 pm #

      Well, if they are armed with those giant sprayers instead, it might be a good thing. They spray for mosquitos all the time. They went crazy that year there was the big Zika virus scare. Why can’t they start spraying for the Coronavirus? Oh yeah that’s right. We haven’t done mass testing yet so we don’t know where it is for sure except where actual cases are now popping up. It is extraordinarily contagious. It needs a bigger response.

  67. BackRowHeckler February 29, 2020 at 8:39 pm #

    uh oh

    Thousands of refugees are massing at Greeces’ Northeast border. It doesn’t seem like much of a border. You’d think Greece would have at least spooled out rolls of barbed wire, in depth, but no, just a flimsy fence. And these ‘refugees’ aren’t meek, They’re tossing gas grenades over the fence at Greek police and border guards. Skirmishes are being fought as I type this. Oddly enough, they’re not all Syrians, many photos of Black Africans arriving by raft, (which don’t look too seaworthy I’ll tell you what) What a disaster! Hey, where’s Burkha Merkel? Time to dust off those ‘Refugees Welcome’ signs up in Munich.Thet’ll be needin ’em in about as long as it takes to walk from the Greek border to the German frontier. You know, when reading about the Crusades, I marvelled at the fact that Crusaders walked from Central and even western Europe all the way to the Levant. But now we see it can be done. Too bad there isn’t a way to express these people right to Edinburgh and to Stockholm — al 4 million of them. In Stockholm anyway it’ll be time to take that cross of gold off the national flag … replace it with one of those curved swords and an AK47, reflect whos boss now.


    • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 7:45 am #

      The ones we have here seem to be pretty grateful to be here, brh.


      • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 7:45 am #

        But they want to go home when there’s peace in their country, as most of us would.

        • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:32 am #

          that time is never?

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 10:45 am #

            That would be the point, malthuss. Asylum seekers who come to the UK are allowed five years’ residence, if they are given refugee status. Then their situation is reviewed, including the situation in their country of origin. If the situation hasn’t improved and their lives are still considered to be endangered, their leave to remain will normally be extended.

            People who commit serious crimes while guests of this country will be deported, after they’ve served their sentences, as they would anywhere else.

      • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:11 am #

        I think he is facing reality,

        And these ‘refugees’ aren’t meek,
        They’re tossing gas grenades over the fence at Greek police and border guards.
        Skirmishes are being fought as I type this. Oddly enough, they’re not all Syrians, many photos of Black Africans arriving by raft, (which don’t look too seaworthy I’ll tell you what) What a disaster!

        BRH–you find it odd that there are Blacks in among them? You are stupid.

        • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 10:22 am #

          Yes Malthus, but the question is, how stupid?

          • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:29 am #

            Not as stupid as many others.

          • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:32 am #

            From another blog,

            Feminists Think Rape is OK If Criminal Is Muslim or Black
            In England, the police were under orders to ignore the rape/prostitution of white girls under the age of 18 because Muslim males from mainly Pakistan, were doing this and it is ‘racist’ to stop them. This is a scandal there but here in the USA, the women’s movement doesn’t give a fig about women being abused or exploited or even raped or whatever if their Muslim/black male allies are the attackers. Then, it is the woman’s fault she is assaulted, not the women’s movement’s top allies.
            I m astonished about this alliance which, from the Muslim’s point of view, is like stealing candy from babies.

          • elysianfield March 1, 2020 at 10:40 am #

            “From another blog,
            Feminists Think Rape is OK If Criminal Is Muslim or Black’

            For this to be assigned any credibility, you will need to post a link.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 11:00 am #

            “In England, the police were under orders to ignore the rape/prostitution of white girls under the age of 18 because Muslim males from mainly Pakistan, were doing this and it is ‘racist’ to stop them. ”

            That seriously needs a link too, including who you claim issued the orders.

            The problem of the rape gangs was multiple. There was indeed a reluctance to look too closely at the activities of the perpetrators and this has been rightly criticised and the police forces concerned roundly castigated. Lessons, as they say, have been learned.

            But there’s another side to the issue and it involves the unwillingness of people in positions of authority to give due credence to the testimony of ‘vulnerable’ young girls, the type certain people on here also advise not giving credence to (one person on here considers ‘women are liars’, end of).

            Let’s call them ‘poor’ girls, for simplicity, although they weren’t all from destitute families. But let’s admit there’s a reluctance to give such girls who are a bit rough around the edges the same credence as is routinely accorded the daughters of the respectable middle classes.

            You get a heck of a lot more sympathy if you look blond, well-heeled and pouty, like this one:


            Especially from men, who still make up the majority of our police forces and judiciary.

      • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 10:21 am #

        People tossing grenades wouldn’t be welcome here either. Families like the ones in the article I linked to are welcome to stay while they need help – and longer if they integrate and make a life for themselves here. The UK only took 20,000 Syrians when the mass exodus happened in 2015/16, with 2,000 coming to Scotland, in proportion with its size. And they weren’t picked from among grenade tossers, they were taken on the basis of their vulnerability and I think came directly from the camps financed by the UK in situ in and around Syria.

        • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 11:08 am #

          It would NOT be up to you decide. You would be following the diktats of the EU whatever they may be. The war between Russia and Turkey is just starting to warm up. So is the weather and the migrants flood.

          If it wasn’t for Boris the UK would look like Germany France Sweden Greece Italy Spain etc, within a couple of years. Tens of thousands of cars torched, no-go zones, cities under siege and civil explosion along with police and military lock downs.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 11:09 am #

            It would NOT be up to you ^to^ decide.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 11:55 am #

            The EU, when we were in it, had no say in either the number or the selection of Syrian refugees given succour in the UK.

            The refugee resettlement plans you are referring to are tied to the Schengen protocols, to which the UK has never been party. Hence, when the EU tried to persuade its members to take a reasonable proportion of the refugees who came to the EU via Turkey, Greece and Italy, it had no sway over the UK, which made its own decisions.

            Boris is the one who is increasing non-European immigration to the detriment of European immigration, Mr Mofo, a consequence of Brexit which I warned you about as being a sure as night following day. Boris is pro-immigration. Boris is a globalist. Boris insulted those who disagreed with the globalist TTIP treaty between the EU and the US (including me) as being ‘“leftwing misery guts anti-globalisation campaigners.”

            I repeat, Boris is a globalist and a fan of immigration.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

            Yes, Boris is a politician, not an ideologue. I don’t trust politicians and prefer ideologues. But Boris was supported by Nigel Farage. I’m not that versed with British politics, but seemed good enough.

            The term globalization has been hijacked by commies out to destroy the nation state, when it really should mean global trade between two sovereign nations. I’m all for global trade. What I’m not for is, federalizations/empires disguised under trade agreements.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 2:14 pm #

            “But Boris was supported by Nigel Farage. ”

            Farage didn’t support Boris because he thought Boris would make an agreement with the EU that Farage didn’t want. Farage prefers economic damage to a decent trade deal with the EU. Farage supports deregulation and the freedom of the 1% to make money unhindered by the concerns of working people and the environment.

            Farage’s party (not Farage because he’d lost seven elections already) stood AGAINST Boris and his party got NO SEATS. That was the choice of the British public.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

            I’m also for trade between sovereign nations. What I’m NOT for is trade agreements incorporating investor state dispute settlement (ISDS) secret tribunal systems where corporations get to sue national governments for passing domestic legislation they don’t like.

            Like TTIP.


            And like any trade deal with the US will incorporate, but trade relations with the EU didn’t, because we already had regulatory alignment.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 5:37 pm #

            The way I understood it, Nigel Farage deliberately did not compete against Boris Johnson so that Boris Johnson could have a super majority in parliament, which is exactly what happened.

            As much as I can, I try not to buy from large corporations, especially from multinationals. If we all did that, we would not have the problems we do with multinationals. Same regards shopping at chain stores and malls, or eating franchise corporate phood, or subscribing to the MSM propaganda outlets and Hollywood. Buy local, from local family owned businesses. The rest is all pernicious garbage.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 6:54 pm #

            “The way I understood it, Nigel Farage deliberately did not compete against Boris Johnson so that Boris Johnson could have a super majority in parliament, which is exactly what happened.”

            By your logic he didn’t need to have the Brexit party field any candidates at all, then, yet he did. The Brexit party didn’t need to exist. In the event, NONE of them won a seat. Not one. If you mean Nigel Farage as a candidate, he wouldn’t have been standing in the same constituency as Boris Johnson – this isn’t a presidential system, it’s a parliamentary one. He didn’t stand because he’d already failed to gain a parliamentary seat SEVEN TIMES.

          • akmofo March 1, 2020 at 8:55 pm #

            He stood down his party’s candidates so as not to split the right wing votes. Anyhow..

            His ideas won, that’s what important. And not only in the UK, but throughout Europe.

            The commie jihadi left was eviscerated in the last elections.

  68. jim e February 29, 2020 at 10:45 pm #


    …it was sounding so much like you and then they mention you!
    eleventh minute and the 44th second… “Magical thinking”
    Well done Mr. Kunstler!

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  69. Janos Skorenzy March 1, 2020 at 3:45 am #


    The CDC’s policies of NOT testing unless the criterion for the disease is met precisely (despite what everybody suspects) guarantees that the disease will triumph here as it did in China. Doctors and other patients become infected in the meantime and become disease vectors in turn.

    We’re dealing with Disease of Public Relations or “We’ve got this under control” – and it infects both Government and Private Industry. Both Communism and Capitalism in other words – and the Socialism that is the mediator between the two. There is simply no room for this kind of crap, much less the Libertarianism that would allow individuals to infect whoever they wanted to.

    Sometimes life is brutal and it calls for a brutal response. This is one of those times.

    • JohnAZ March 1, 2020 at 9:44 am #

      You are right, Janos.

      If this becomes a pandemic, and non-seasonal, it will destroy the faith people have in the government’s ability to handle crises.

      The CDC guidelines are an attempt to handle a limited controllable infection, and draw a line in the sand.

      Unfortunately, this virus may not recognize that line.

      Trump haters, do not rejoice. If this goes out of control, beyond national attempts to control it, you will not be beating Trump in 2020, you may be praying for your lives.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 1, 2020 at 10:52 am #

        Rush says the whole thing is just a way to destroy Trump. I mean wow, how to think small. Ultimately he doesn’t care about America either, only his class, the Republican Party, and his career.

    • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:43 pm #

      Absolutely! And we have to shut down all air travel and mass transit right now. Areas where the virus is need to be quarantined and disinfected. Otherwise its easy to see how easily it will spread here. All sides have disappointed in their reactions to this point.

  70. tucsonspur March 1, 2020 at 5:59 am #

    What are these mysterious, malevolent microbes, mimicking Morningstars then muffling, muting our very breath, shattering economies and bringing death? Sometimes Natures’ well is hell.

    What power these monstrous molecules have, that maim the body and the body politic and make men meek and muddled!

    Say not Mimir, what other miseries and malignancies await us or what mutafacient mote will prove me all too mortal!

    • JohnAZ March 1, 2020 at 9:36 am #


    • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:50 pm #

      Very nicely put and so true. That such a small thing could potentially bring down Leviathan is amazing, confounding, and frightening. Let alone to think what it means for our own lives.

      • tucsonspur March 1, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

        Thank you, SSL, and be well. As much as you can, avoid the itinerary of these insidious, infectious invaders.

        • SoftStarLight March 2, 2020 at 2:08 am #

          Thank you, and same to you! I’m certainly going to do my best to keep them away.

  71. JohnAZ March 1, 2020 at 9:35 am #

    This blog has been arguing for years about open borders vs. closed borders.

    The Coronavirus may just make the arguments moot.

    This may be a brave new world that will emerge from this infection if the Corona becomes non-seasonal. At that point, it may be every country, every state or every person for themselves.

    Open border advocates may get washed away by this disease. Ironically, universal health care advocates may get a huge boost as epidemiology graduates to a national level.

    Rhode Island has a confirmed case, picked up in Italy, and Chicago is working up a suspected case.

    If this gets out of control, Trump better come up with a health care solution with his GOP cohorts or it will overcome everything.

    As always, one aw s—t overcomes 1000 attaboys.

    • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:09 am #

      I dont recall many here who are in favor on ‘no borders.’

      • JohnAZ March 1, 2020 at 10:18 am #


        I will let them speak for themselves.

        I never said , no borders, just closed borders. Even with the wall, there will still be significant leakage.

        • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:35 am #

          I did not say you posted ‘no borders’ but to me no and open are the same.

          I never said you wouldnt let the ‘speak’ for themselves.

          so HUH to you.

      • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 11:20 am #

        Posters from other countries — Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada — seem to favor ‘No Borders’. No borders for the US that is, I’m not sure if they mean no borders in their own countries. People who advocate for open borders are usually ethnic special pleaders or elite, wealthy whites who live in gated communities, travel with their own armed personal security detail, and have the $$$ to send their kids to cloistered private schools, not public schools. Really, it’s a winner for them all the way around. They can virtue signal to the world that they’re ‘down with the struggle’, at the same time point to whites who object to their towns, neighborhoods and schools being ruined as nativists, bigots, troglodytes, Deplorables if you will. They themselves, protected by their money and status, suffer not a whit from the immigration policies they advocate.

        I recently listened to a podcast about ethnic gangs in Swedish cities large and small. More on that later, but just a few points: Swedish boys, feminized from birth, in the schools and on the streets, are sheep amongst among wolves, and young Swedish girls are being raped at an alarming rate.

        You won’t hear much about it, the police and media do not want to ‘stir up hatred against migrants’. So its ignored or misreported. That’s the way it is in the west now, folks, even self preservation is labelled as racist.


        • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 11:36 am #

          UK Daily Mail does Texas Kenyan Killer story. US mainstream media continues blackout of the story.

          Why? African who should not have been here allegedly kills nearly 2 dozen vulnerable senior citizens.

          Answer: Goes against PC narrative on immigration.


          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

            “Posters from other countries — Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada — seem to favor ‘No Borders’.”

            Which UK posters can you quote supporting ‘open borders’, brh?

          • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 12:06 pm #

            You, Elrond, Majella, Cargill etc.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

            Show me one post where I’ve supported open borders or retract your accusation, brh.

            And the others you mention aren’t UK posters.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 1:38 pm #

            I don’t recall any of the others advocating ‘open borders’ either.

            A managed immigration system doesn’t equate to ‘open borders’ except to the ignorant.

          • Majella March 1, 2020 at 4:01 pm #

            ..and which other Commonwealth posters? You’re doing a Janos and making stuff up, Marlin, just to suit your distorted narrative.

          • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 4:41 pm #

            You can be a supporter of open borders in a back door sort of way by supporting unmeasured legal immigration. Or perhaps immigration at all. Do you support limits on legal immigration?

          • Majella March 1, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

            SSL – don’t imply a duplicitous intention on my part or anyone else here.

            No, I don’ support open borders.

            I believe any sovereign government has the absolute right to manage immigration under the rule of law. That includes a country deciding that it will accept ZERO immigrants (though it would shrivel & die in a decade or two).

            Like Australia & Canada, New Zealand operates on a Points System and is focussed on sourcing immigrants with desired skills, especially in areas where we have shortages.

            Your view on immigration – of any sort – is just rabid racism.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 6:09 pm #

            What Majella said. Don’t throw wild accusations about because you want them to be true.

            I support the people of England deciding to stop anyone else ever entering their country if that is their choice.

            And I support Scotland deciding its own immigration policy, because its needs are different and it is underpopulated, unlike its elephantine neighbour. But it doesn’t have that right.

            I have said multiple times that the US is entirely within its rights to have whatever immigration policy it chooses and to enforce it.

            It would be nice if you folks would stop insulting people’s integrity by obliging them to justify themselves like naughty children, when you don’t know what you’re talking about and refuse to read what people have actually said multiple times.

        • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 10:14 pm #

          Posters from other countries — Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada — seem to favor ‘No Borders’. No borders for the US that is, I’m not sure if they mean no borders in their own countries.

          This really is nonsense … can you provide any evidence that I advocate ‘open borders’? Anyway – no-one is advocating such a thing – not even Democratic candidates that you wish to label as “communist” – or worse – as “globalists”. It’s very silly stuff.

          Elsewhere in the thread I’ve stated my view about regulated immigration … and it is not race | ethnicity based. This does not mean one is advocating “open borders”.

          I haven’t said anything about US immigration policies, or its policies in relation to dealing with a porous southern border and a large number of illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

          I’ve not been on the border, and don’t know how dire it is, or whether it’s a big right-wing beat-up. I simply don’t know, so I don’t have a view or any comments.

    • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 10:18 am #

      It might be RIB

      • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:39 am #

        what might?

        • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

          Rhode Island Corona Virus victim

    • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 11:18 am #

      “Open borders” is a Fox News/talk radio meme. There is no meaningful support for open borders in the Democratic party or the country at large. You have to scour the fringes to find anyone who supports it. It is a fiction.

      If you would like a refresher on the actual mainstream position on this issue, I suggest you look back at the “Gang of Eight” bill from the early part of the last decade. It provided for a path to legal residence or citizenship for some people coupled with increased immigration enforcement and controls. It passed the Senate with the support of all Democrats and 14 Republicans. It would have easily passed the House with comparable levels of Republican and Democratic support (and been signed into law by Obama) but Boehner wouldn’t bring it to the floor due to opposition by his Tea Party faction. Nevertheless, under the Obama administration, the government deported illegal immigrants at record levels.

      If Trump were serious about addressing this issue long-term rather than demagoguing it for political gain, he would have called on Congress (controlled by Republicans during his first two years) to pass a similar bipartisan bill. Had he done that, he would arguably not be the least accomplished President on the legislative front in modern times, and he would have put a stamp on immigration that would outlast his term.

      • Tate March 1, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

        — “If you would like a refresher on the actual mainstream position on this issue, I suggest you look back at the “Gang of Eight” bill from the early part of the last decade. It provided for a path to legal residence or citizenship for some people coupled with increased immigration enforcement and controls.”

        All trust was destroyed after the 1986 Immigration Reform & Control Act. Reagan gullibly was persuaded to sign it into law. Such a bill can never be passed again after that betrayal by the “open borders” crowd (even if they’re not strictly for completely open borders).

        • Tate March 1, 2020 at 2:26 pm #

          “Such a(n amnesty) bill can never be passed again…”

        • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 3:35 pm #

          “All trust was destroyed”

          I don’t know, Tate. I think most of the public realizes that we need some combination of stepped up enforcement (on both illegal immigration itself and the companies who hire them), a path to legal status for people who have been here for a while and otherwise stayed out of trouble, and targeted aid to the C.A. countries to get their drug gang problems under control (which is one of the biggest factors driving regular people to migrate out).

          The fact is that humans have migrated since there were humans. And the US is a country of immigrants and always has been. People have migrated here for the same reasons for hundreds of years: safety, security and opportunity. It’s no different today. We shouldn’t have open borders and we should control immigration so that it serves the country’s interests. But we should do it in a way that is pragmatic and effective.

          • Tate March 1, 2020 at 4:02 pm #

            You make it sound as though this is an inevitable outcome.

            It’s not. The Israelis certainly don’t think so, for example. They speak of their illegal border jumpers as “infiltrators.”

            We have to return all those millions who came here illegally or were born to illegal migrants to their countries of origin. Then we can start fresh with an honest immigration policy allowing in only those our economy really needs (which would be precious few.) The low hanging fruit would be a repeal of birthright citizenship, for starters. Hopefully we can pressure Trump the Twitter critter to follow through on his promises along these lines.

            I do agree that we should work with the governments of the responsible Central American countries to stop the flow. The Trump administration is already making this happen, maybe in spite of his Orangeness? — who knows — hallelujah!

          • Tate March 1, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

            And we have no moral obligation to accept new immigrants. It should be decided on how good it is for America as a nation, not how good it is for the immigrants’ economic situations.

            Furthermore, it is different today. We had liberal immigration policies in the past because we needed immigrant labor. Before that, we needed pioneers willing to settle the wilderness. The country was virtually empty then. Today’s situation is markedly different.

          • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

            Tate, re “it is different today” – in every era of this country, there were native-born saying exactly what you are saying now. Ever hear of the Know-Nothings?

            Re Israel – you can’t honestly be equating Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists to Guatemalan and Honduran peasants?!

            Expelling millions of people who have been here for decades and in some cases have grown up here to achieve your idealized state of the US population would be economically self-destructive and deeply immoral.

          • Tate March 1, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

            For their time & place, the “Know-Nothings” actually knew something. Historically, they were the first to sound an alarm over ill-considered immigration. They called themselves the Native American Party. The label “Know-nothing” was put on them because they were a semi-secret society & would say “I know nothing,” when asked to explain their beliefs. But times change & other issues took center stage. Lincoln needed ignorant Irish Catholics & Germans to pad his army’s ranks to fight the Confederacy so the issue receded for a time.

            An effective defense of unchecked immigration from Eastern & Southern Europe was finally enacted into law in 1923 if memory serves. I may be off by a year or two. This held sway for 40 years until the disastrous Immigration Act of 1965.

            Now we have to face the unpalatable fact of tens of millions of people living among us who cannot be as easily assimilated as even the previous mass waves of people, some of whom themselves are still not fully assimilated into the dominant culture. At some point the culture becomes too diverse to be considered a single culture at all. The plan built upon lofty abstractions called the Constitution of 1787 isn’t sufficient to hold this hodgepodge together forever.

            The issue became especially acute after the passage of the 1964 Civil Right Act the year previous to the traitorous immigration act of 1965. These two laws combined have essentially created two separate nations, at odds with one another at almost every turn.

            We who trace our ancestries back to Europe are not willing to be submerged & give up our traditional freedoms & ways of life by a hostile alien presence, who openly talk of replacing us in this land that we wrested from & built up out of raw wilderness. We have a right to self-identify as a “white” community just the same as another may self-identify as “jewish” or “black” or “hispanic” & I do believe that in the face of continued hostility & infringements upon us & our heritage, we will eventually claim that right of enlightened self-interest even if it means the dissolution of this present compact, troubling as that may be to some.

          • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 8:38 pm #

            The Know-Nothing party sits in the garbage bin of history along with other failed and discredited ideologies.

            The US is the dominant economic, technological, military and cultural force in the world. It has has been so for 75 years. We are a colossus.

            This both followed, and has been accompanied by, massive levels of immigration from all corners of the world.

            Those immigrants have always progressed through a massive machine of schools, workplaces, military and society that have turned them and their offspring into Americans.

            You appear to subscribe to a race-based ideology that distorts your perception of this country’s reality. You are on a slow boat to nowhere. I hope you step off of it for a bit.

          • Tate March 1, 2020 at 9:47 pm #

            Furthermore, the Israelis consider all unauthorized border crossers to be “infiltrators,” not just Hezbollah or Hamas, although they are especially concerned about terrorist border crossers.

          • Tate March 1, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

            From Steve Sailer’s column at Unz.com
            Feb 29, 2020

            “I was reading an interview recently with the Widow Jobs, who now owns The Atlantic, which she uses to crusade for more immigration, about how she spent her Christmas holidays explaining to her Trump-voting relatives that they must give up ever-more of the exclusivity of being an American to immigrants:

            Q. Sometimes it seems like Americans with different political views can barely talk to one another these days. How do you think about repairing that?

            A. One conversation at a time. And it often starts with our own families. In my own family, there are Trump supporters. I knew I was going to be with them over Christmas, and I actually want to engage, and want to understand and I want to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. I want to be able to find the areas where we can agree.

            Q. How did that go?

            A. We’re finding lots of areas of agreement. We can agree on core American values of liberty and dignity and freedom and justice. We can talk about what it means when we’re demonizing people who immigrated from their dysfunctional countries, just like everyone we’re related to did. What does it mean that we want to shut the door on them? Can we examine that in ourselves, that desire to shut the door? It’s not the first time that the demonization of others has been used as a political tactic. And once people remember that, then you can start looking at what Trump is saying a little bit differently.

            Of course, Laurene Powell Jobs constantly has concierges and security personnel and personal assistants shut the door (quietly) behind her wherever she goes. So, it’s not surprising that she doesn’t understand why Americans who don’t possess much privilege other than being American want to shut the Golden Door more than she does.”

            Tate: HapMan, are you one of these people (concierges or security personnel or personnel assistants, or other factotums) whose jobs depend on shielding a widow Jobs from contact with the grimy reality of the “cultural enrichers?” Or maybe your job depends on bringing sham refugees into this country. It’s a virtual cottage industry. Or perhaps you’re a recipient of the benefits of chain-migration yourself, a proud paper American. In any case, the U.S. is a failing colossus. This in large part because of what has happened to this nation over the last forty or so years. I say that with regret.

          • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 10:53 pm #

            None of the above, Tate. Fourth generation, not in the factotum or refugee business.

            It was 40 years ago that Reagan was elected, and I do think that was the start of the erosion of the middle class. But that’s another conversation.

            Have a good night.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 12:55 am #

            A Hapa is a half Asian and half White. As such, they would have no automatic allegiance to either group. Or if they did, probably not to the White. In any case, they would be against the Ideal of the Old America just as the Asians are. The Asians are for an Asian America. What else would they be for as normal people?

        • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 11:14 pm #

          Steve Jobs widow owns Atlantic Magazine???

          HolySh#t I was wondering what the hell happened to it? That’s the worst Wokest Trump hating rag this side of The Guardian of London.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 12:56 am #

            The Widow Jobs. Sounds like a good premise for a horror movie. But it would not be half a horrible as they reality she is helping to create.

    • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 3:53 pm #

      Coronavirus proves that Globalism is literally deadly. Please close all borders now!

      • Tate March 1, 2020 at 4:03 pm #

        Amen SSL!

  72. malthuss March 1, 2020 at 10:30 am #

    Check out the book called Stealth Invasion by Leo Hohmann.

    Interesting read on what happened and is happening in the US, as it relates to Muslim immigration and the consequences.

    Thanks bathhouse Barry Soetero!

    Obama shipped them $105 billion in the dead of night, a terrorist organization, and nobody said boo, much less prosecuted him.

    Attorney General (Loretta Lynch) took the 5th and refused to answer questions about that during a Congressional hearing.

    The 5th means that you are refusing to answer because your answer might expose you to criminal prosecution. So, SHE KNEW she did something criminal

    • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 11:31 am #

      This is a patently false fringe internet narrative that had been repeatedly debunked. See, eg, snopes.com.

      • malthuss March 1, 2020 at 11:37 am #

        The book has been debunked?

        that Obama is Barry? that Barry is homo?

        Snopes has been debunked.

      • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

        What would YOU call a policy that calls for no criminal penalty for illegally entering the United States? That my friend, is a Democratic position and by logic , makes their position one of de facto open borders

        • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

          There doesn’t need to be a criminal penalty to subject the illegal entrant to a fine and deportation.

          You seem to be saying that without incarceration in the mix, it is open borders. That doesn’t track.

          • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:44 pm #

            And you, my idiot responder are saying that a fine and deportation are not criminal penalties?

          • HapMan March 1, 2020 at 3:12 pm #

            Patriot – you might not want to be so quick on the trigger to call other people idiots.

            Let me rephrase because you have missed my point.

            Illegal entry is currently both a criminal and a civil violation. That means an illegal entrant can be subject to imprisonment (criminal) as well as fine and deportation (civil).

            If the government decides not to bring criminal charges – OR if the law is changed so that it is no longer a “crime” – an illegal entrant will not be imprisoned in a penitentiary, but the illegal entrant can still be taken into custody, detained, fined and deported, under the civil violation.

            No Democratic presidential contender has, to my knowledge, advocated eliminating the civil violation side of this.

            My point above was that merely eliminating the prospect of imprisonment for illegal entrants, while keeping deportation, does not amount to open borders, unless “open borders” is to lose all meaning.

        • K-Dog March 1, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

          Separating children from parents and breaking up families makes the Republican position one of de facto closed borders.

          • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

            Sit illegal aduenam, cavete. K-Dog Sit illegal aduenam, cavete

            You buys yer ticket you take yer chances.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 12:59 am #

            Throw a kid over the fence and then wail about breaking up families. Only a degenerate could ever fall for such idiotic pathos. Watch soap operas or something instead.

  73. Patriot March 1, 2020 at 12:46 pm #

    Alba Cargill Majella Elrond: Are you going to dispute BRH’s assertion that you’re for open borders?

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    • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

      Yes. And I have done so on multiple occasions. Keep your ignorant accusations to yourself, ‘Patriot’.

      • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:40 pm #

        I’m not accusing anyone ALBA. BRH. Perhaps you were absent the day they taught reading comprehension in Old Blighty.

        • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

          I’m not accusing anyone ALBA. BRH. is. Perhaps you were absent the day they taught reading comprehension in Old Blighty.

          • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 5:49 pm #

            Perhaps you were absent the day they explained what disingenuous means, ‘Patriot’.

            You demanded an answer to brh’s accusation. That counts as an accusation in my book, Disingenuous ‘Patriot’.

    • K-Dog March 1, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

      Open borders? You are about open horders. Besides being a prick.

      • K-Dog March 1, 2020 at 2:19 pm #


        • benr March 1, 2020 at 7:06 pm #

          Me so hoardy!
          For the Horde!

    • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

      Alba Cargill Majella Elrond: Are you going to dispute BRH’s assertion that you’re for open borders?

      Well I certain am – I’m not an advocate of ‘open borders’ – who even has such things … the US has restricted immigration since the heady days of Ellis Island.

      The US might have porous borders, but it’s mighty difficult to get into the country legally – as it is most places.

      Australia had a conservative prime minister who said: “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”, and this resonates still with most Australians.

      We have a points-based system, plus a component for humanitarian, crisis, and refugee intake, and pretty-much zero tolerance for “illegal” arrivals – they go into detention while their cases are investigated.

      What I do not advocate is a race or ethnicity based system, which many anti-immigrant types really have as their agenda – European migration good, Muslim / black / brown immigration bad. That I cannot agree with.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 1:03 am #

        In other words, Robins can no longer associate with Robins. They must be forced to associate with Bluejays. Birds of a feather no longer flock together under Cargillianism.

        So much for Freedom of Association – and what do other freedoms mean without that fundamental one?


    • Majella March 1, 2020 at 5:51 pm #

      See up thread, as if it was any of your business, or that Marlin has any right to misstate people’s positions – not that that stops him.

  74. Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

    Ad hominem remark in response to a simple question? My my, K-Dog your debating skills need the same degree of improvement as your spelling skills

    • K-Dog March 1, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

      All you are doing is spreading hate. That is your only purpose here.

      • Patriot March 1, 2020 at 2:52 pm #

        No. All I’m doing is asking the folks that BRH said we advocating open boarders if his accusation was true or not. But we’ll take their deafening silence for a “Yes”

        • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

          Boarders are people who stay in your house in exchange for money, ‘Patriot’.

          You sound like an unpleasant person. I agree with K-Dog that you are a hate-spreader. Your intervention was pointless and you are nothing but a trouble-maker. There was no deafening silence. Brh got a reply from both Cargill and myself.

          • Patriot March 2, 2020 at 5:23 am #

            Yes I’m a very unpleasant person. But behind every cynic is a disillusioned idealist. I just love how you foreigners are so wrapped up in American issues. Why not stick to the problems in your own version of God’s Little Acre?

        • Majella March 1, 2020 at 5:54 pm #

          You can confidently discount most everything BRH says, particularly where he’s attributing some position or other to a poster who is NOT a climate denier, or not in the ‘right-wing nut-job’ cohort.

          • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 6:30 pm #

            Wait a minute, Majella.

            You say I’m a RWNJ, but Janos and Malthus say I’m not RW enough.

            I’m stuck in the middle with ‘No Exit’ as Jean Paul Sartre once said.

          • benr March 1, 2020 at 7:07 pm #

            IN your opinion and you know what they say about that.

        • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 10:34 pm #

          But we’ll take their deafening silence for a “Yes”

          Not that it’s any of your business whatsoever – I’ll choose to reply or not, to anything or nothing, depending on how I’m feeling.

          No-one from the lunar right crowd has provided any evidence that I (and some others) are advocates of “open borders” … which I assume means that once you’re on US soil, you have a range of legal rights that might allow you to stay.

          It’s always a question of balance … genuine asylum seekers have rights under international laws (to which the US is a signatory), however you do have to have policies if you have a vulnerable porous southern border.

          I’m not denying the size of the problem, or its seriousness – I’m just rejecting the ludicrous accusations thrown about on here that I advocate “open borders” – I have said nothing to suggest that I do.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 1:06 am #

            Those international laws are meaningless and should be torn up. We the People do not recognize them.

            Like all Leftists, you love to play word games and the “How dare you” game. Patriot underestimates your allegiance to Open Borders since you don’t believe in the very concept of the Nation State to begin with.

          • Majella March 2, 2020 at 7:15 am #

            There you go again, making shit up.

  75. Billy Hill March 1, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

    Elsewhere in the news we note that Scotland has voted to make “period products” free to all women.

    I always thought that girls got the short end of the stick in this matter so we applaud the initiative. I’m frankly surprised that Bernie or Warren especially missed the opportunity to be first. We would not expect this to be on Mayer Pete’s radar screen.

    Nevertheless, there is still no such thing as free and the cost has been pegged at some $31 million, which is a pittance next to, say, the F-35 or NATO’s adventures in Afghanistan. But does $31 million actually cover it? How much embedded fossil fuels reside in that particular aisle of the grocery store? The raises the larger question of climate and gender — as in, is it possible to be female and truly, completely, pristine green? And we haven’t even got to the beauty products aisle. How much time, effort, and scarce resources have been devoted to fingernails? Eyelashes?

    What on earth were we thinking?

    • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 3:12 pm #

      If you listen closely to Breadline Bernie and Liz Warren, the plan is to eventually make everything free ‘to the working class’, paid for actually by taxing ‘millionaires and billionaires’.

      Everything that is except small arms ammo. There’s a new bill up in CT to slap an extra 35% sales tax on shotgun shells and .22 LR rounds, on top of the 7% tax we already pay.


      • Majella March 1, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

        Marlin – “…the plan is to eventually make everything free ‘to the working class’, paid for actually by taxing ‘millionaires and billionaires’.”

        As usual, a pathetic, bald and deliberate misrepresentation of the actual facts. But go ahead…no doubt your gaslighting shenanigans will convince all the ‘progressives’ hereabouts to see the light and vote for Himself.

        • BackRowHeckler March 1, 2020 at 7:10 pm #

          We don’t need anymore votes. We’ve got more than enough (to win in Nov)

        • JohnAZ March 1, 2020 at 8:20 pm #


          Okay, talk the facts. If Bernie is not creating a gimme culture with freebies to the underclass, financed by overtaxing the wealthy, what is he doing?

          Gaslighting insinuates speaking falsehoods. I want to hear your statement about what Bernie and Liz are up to that denies their desire for a gimme State where people are given stuff when they have not worked for or earned it.

          Justify that medical care, free college, welfare are Rights.

          This is just another example of the have nots trying to get the ability to STEAL from the haves that has been the hallmark of the Leftist movements forever. What gives the have nots the RIGHT to steal anything they have not earned themselves.

          • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 11:40 pm #

            Okay, talk the facts. If Bernie is not creating a gimme culture with freebies to the underclass, financed by overtaxing the wealthy, what is he doing?

            Like all conservatives, you are (a) claiming that the existing system is natural because it’s … well … natural – immutable and the way it is because it works, and (b) blaming poor people for the situation they find themselves in.

            The reality is that there is nothing natural, or inevitable, or basically good, about the current set-up – it has been driven by how powerful forces of privileged have organised the system to their advantage – over centuries.

            You might not like a Democratic Party candidate who espouses a reformation – to re-align the distribution of wealth along more equitable lines … to create a genuine liberal democracy … but please don’t characterise it as a ‘gimme’ culture.

            THe rich and powerful have been sucking the system dry for generations, and of course they will squeal if the tap is turned down. They have been the ultimate welfare thieves.

          • JohnAZ March 2, 2020 at 12:27 am #


            Think about it. Why are the rich rich? They came up with something that the public needed or wanted and the crush of humanity procuring that product put that wealth in one set of hands. Look at sports, or entertainment. These are folks that sell their talents to the public and big chunks of the public give their money to these celebrities. The rich are rich because people are willing to give them money for what they offer.

            So you condone the poor have the right to STEAL money from these folks in the form of taxes. We have a benevolent society to provides for folks who are poor through no fault of their own. There are no really impoverished folks, if there are it is because they do not have the info needed to get help.

            The homeless are an enigma. They may be homeless because they have been turned out for other people. Mental illness pervades these folks, along with drug usage.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 2, 2020 at 1:10 am #

            You are hopeless John. The absolute worst advocate against the Left. You drive people into their arms with your Social Darwinism.

            Corporations are treated as people. And as people, they would have to be considered psychopaths.

          • Cargill March 2, 2020 at 1:43 am #

            The vast majority of the rich are rich because (a) their ancestors / parents were rich, and (b) the system is rigged in their favour.

            You don’t have to be a diehard Marxist to know that most wealth over centuries has been generated on the back of workers.

            Taxes are not theft – having a strong progressive tax system (where the richer you are the greater percentage is paid) is a very reasonable way to run life – particularly when such a large percentage of wealthy people inherit it rather than earn it through their innate genius.

            For every Mark Zuckerberg or Warren Buffett, there are thousands of millionaires who got it from daddy – look at Trump.

          • Majella March 2, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

            What Cargill said. Very succinctly put.

            John, are you a billionaire? Or even a mult-millionaire?

            If not, then none of these proposed taxes will have any effect on your net cash flow, but the programmes that will arise from proposed expenditure will greatly benefit a wide range of people who are currently shut out of the wonder that is the USA.

            Even if you’re (as I assume you probably are) old, retired, on Social Security & Medicare already, surely the very notion that, in your own community, is improved? That there will be fewer people going hungry, going uneducated and dying from treatable illnesses, or even among what now passes for ‘the middle class’, going bankrupt because their health insurance is an expensive joke when it comes to claiming?

            Is this not a ‘good’ outcome? If you don’t think so, then your moral stance & philosophy needs a long hard looking at.

      • EvelynV March 1, 2020 at 7:07 pm #


        Do you see a problem with that? People you fear the most likely unable to buy as much ammo to practice to become good enough to be a threat to you beyond a distance of seven or eight feet.

        But man, taxing ammo. What a horrible country you live in. You should get the hell someplace else.

    • SoftStarLight March 1, 2020 at 4:35 pm #

      Well everything you use costs money and requires fossil fuels so I’m struggling to understand the point. Or are you a genuine caveman?

    • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 6:00 pm #

      I’m struggling to understand your point too, Billy Hill. Colour me totally with SSL on this one.

      There are girls who miss school because their families are so poor they can’t afford proper sanitary protection. Sanitary items are among the items people donate to ‘food banks’ because there is a growing awareness of this problem.

      Most of us can cope with the use of the word ‘free’ to mean ‘free at the point of use’. I wouldn’t necessarily have thought of the solution of making such things free to all girls and women when most of us could well afford to buy them, but there we are. It’s not in the category of beauty products, so that extension in your thought is utterly irrelevant.

      And, in case you’re still wondering, it isn’t possible to be human and be truly, completely, pristine green, pretty much – any more than it is possible to be truly, completely good. Most of us don’t aim to be pristine, we settle for doing as little damage as we can.

      • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 6:17 pm #

        But nice try at making a sexist point out of it totally unnecessarily.

        Try counting the energy used to recycle beer cans next time, maybe. 🙂

        • Billy Hill March 1, 2020 at 9:53 pm #

          Good grief we are all so prickly. Has the world lost its sense of humor? Fingernails? Eyelashes? FWIW I said girls got a raw deal here. Back in my days as a roving Lothario I would dumbly wonder between drags on post-coital cigarette how the women managed all that stuff from the drugstore on top of day-to-day living expenses. In truth, just dumb wonder. I never volunteered to pay for tampons and mascara.

          OK: Let’s tote up the embedded calories in prophylactics, recycled beer cans, and man-cave paraphernalia. Compare with the “feminine” aisles. Whoever has the least calories buys the drinks. At least the first round.

          Now to the business at hand…

          My more pregnant point was that the Virus end result is to create EXACTLY what the Climate-Action crowd intend. Of course, I can hear it now, from the likes of Leonardo DeCaprio: “Hey, THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEANT!”

          • SoftStarLight March 2, 2020 at 2:00 am #

            So what you really meant to say was the virus is an economic weapon or may as well be one? That was an interesting way to get to that point lol. I’m sure you want blame anyone for missing it the first goaround.

          • Billy Hill March 2, 2020 at 8:42 am #

            If we wish to have all the conveniences of life in the West as we know it today including products in every aisle of the grocery store there is a price measurable I suppose ultimately in calories. Our host certainly would concur. If one accepts AGW as inescapably true and requiring immediate climate action a’la Greta then either the actual price tag on the goods produced reflect the penultimate caloric and economic content OR they be banned outright. The first option leaves it to those who can afford it creating a political issue addressable by socializing the costs. The second option is maybe “more fair” but presupposes an undemocratic political structure.

            The image of Chinese cities completely void of “planes, trains, and cars” and pedestrians out shopping (per Nordstrom: “Don’t You Just Love Shopping?”) serves as metaphor for the second option imposed by the Virus.

            The fact is we have about a 30 year window (unless AOC’s 10-12 year hypothesis is correct) to get our act together regarding CO2 emissions. There is really only one solution that does not include mass die-off (which only works if AI and robotics fill the void) and promises to maintain the 21st century standard of living: nuclear power. I offer this as no fan of the present technology, but I see no viable alternative. Absent a fusion breakthrough if we want all our stuff (minus aviation perhaps) we’d better get to work on standard designs with black-start capability and spent fuel reprocessing and locate them far from seismic zones.

          • elysianfield March 2, 2020 at 11:28 am #

            “The fact is we have about a 30 year window (unless AOC’s 10-12 year hypothesis is correct) to get our act together regarding CO2 emissions. There is really only one solution”

            You assume there is a solution that can be engineered by man. Consider this premise an assumption, not a fact.

            Consider CO2 a primary driver of Climate change…an assumption, not a fact.

            Consider climate change predicated primarily by man’s actions, and not a cyclical event…an assumption, not necessarily a fact.

    • Cargill March 1, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

      In Australia we have no state, city, county, or specific federal sales taxes at all. There is just a nation-wide Goods & Services Tax (GST) – the equivalent of a VAT elsewhere. Set at 10% and have never moved.

      The hard-headed economists (25 years ago) wanted it to be applied to absolutely everything, but in order for the law to pass the Senate a wide range of products were exempted.

      As you can imagine, the list of exempted goods were what any political party felt were “social goods” – so fresh food was exempt, but prepared food was not. There were long and funny debates about whether cream was exempt but cheese was not, whether flour was exempt, but cakes were not. And so on.

      Feminine hygiene products were only exempted very late (20 years on) – not because most politicians were male (I guess), but because economists saw it as the thin edge of the wedge, and a whole lot of other stuff might clamour for exemption.

  76. Tate March 1, 2020 at 3:42 pm #

    Freeman Dyson died last week at the age of 96. One of the great theoretical physicists of the 20th century, Dyson originated several concepts that bear his name: Dyson’s transform, the Dyson tree, the Dyson series, the Dyson sphere.

    Dyson believed global warming is caused by increased carbon dioxide through burning fossil fuels but that some of the effects of this are favourable and not taken into account by climate scientists, such as increased agricultural yield. He was skeptical about the simulation models used to predict climate change, arguing that political efforts to reduce causes of climate change distract from other global problems that should take priority.

    • Billy Hill March 1, 2020 at 4:34 pm #

      I believe NASA photographs show earth “greening” and the theory is that it has to do with increased CO2 levels. Cant recall the time period off the top of my head.

      But what the heck — we are having so much fun with Greta, the Georgia Guidestones, Settled Science, Climate Deniers, Celebrity Endorsers, and etc etc why would we want Climate Change to — gasp — change? That’s the real threat of the corona virus: it could actually enact Climate Action.

    • GreenAlba March 1, 2020 at 6:16 pm #

      Tate, global warming will increase agricultural yield in some places, but in most it will jeopardise it (drought, floods, increased pests).

      Try Russia – yes, Russia.


      • Tate March 1, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

        Not very convincing. 2010?

        • K-Dog March 1, 2020 at 9:12 pm #


          They are now #1 in wheat exports. Grain is their second oil according to this article. The world breadbaskets are becoming Canada and Russia. Agriculture in the US is soon to go extinct along with most everything else.

          • SoftStarLight March 2, 2020 at 1:49 am #

            But is that going to be due to climate or will it be because of soil depletion and the conversion of farmlands to residential and commercial developments? And the chemicals used in industrial farming, etc.?

          • K-Dog March 2, 2020 at 3:01 am #

            The grain growing area in the article is about the same latitude as Seattle. Climate shift will be an influence. America runs out of water from the loss of the Ogallala aquifer and also from the arid zone moving north as the Hadley cell expands. Any territory Russia loses as global air circulation cells change they
            gain back as Siberia warms. Canada also gains new grain fields. America loses productive land by desertification for the reasons described. Water makes the biggest difference. Or rather lack of it. Continuing the paving of paradise with ever growing population will continue everywhere until starvation stops the earth-movers.

  77. benr March 1, 2020 at 7:05 pm #

    Well folks panic buying has arrived.
    Today Costco had no carts and the lines went to the back of the store.
    My wife went to Vons and Walmart for a few items for the week and same thing.
    Am I missing something here why am I not only not panicked about this but I don’t think its going to get that bad.
    How ever I do have an emergency stock of food and water for at least a month and a top notch water filtration system all of which I rotate in and out of use for years.

    I do believe the just in time style of shopping we do will be our eventual down fall.

    • axisboldaslove March 1, 2020 at 11:04 pm #

      A reasonable supply of extra food and water is always a good idea, benr. We’ve done that for a long time, in case of an emergency, but not hoarding seven years worth of rice and bean or whatever it is end-of-the-worlders do. If everyone just keep a reasonable stock of extra food and water on hand like you and I, there wouldn’t be this mad rush to clear the shelves that we’re seeing. This is why I like spreading Andrew Yang’s idea of MATH: Make America Think Harder. Because, man oh man, America seems to have a real problem with basic rational thinking. The show should get interesting and more bizarre in the coming weeks. What a crazy world!

      • axisboldaslove March 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm #

        ^^^meant to say “kept”, not “keep”. Note to self: think harder when typing, lol!

      • EvelynV March 2, 2020 at 1:43 am #