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     The press wet its small-clothes over Mitt Romney’s ebullience in last Thursday’s so-called debate, as these joint interview contests are styled these days. What a jaunty fellow Mitt came off as, compared to poor Mr. Obama, cloaked in presidential gloom, the wearisome woes of high office and all that – or perhaps just some indigestible tidbit served out of Air Force One’s galley, an infected cocktail weenie, a shrimp with attitude, or an empanada with the E coli blues, who knows….
     To be sure, Mr. Romney’s ebullience had a crafted tang to it, like one of those pumpkin-flavored beers made for the season, especially since all that verve was employed in the service of ebullient lying, statistical confabulation, and self-contradiction. At times his sheer manic zest veered in the direction of what used to be called hebephrenia in the old clinical sense of someone euphorically out-of-touch with reality.
      Alienation from reality being at the very core of the current zeitgeist, the American public can only admire somebody who displays such a buoyant disregard for what is actually happening in the universe. To me, Mr. Romney just gave off the odor of someone who will do anything to get elected while Mr. Obama evinced the dejection of someone doubting it was worth it.
     Of course, the issues this time around are framed with the presumption that all the current rackets of political economy can be kept running – everything from Fannie Mae to Medicare to suburbia to the systematic looting of the future by the Federal Reserve’s shell-game operations with every loser bond instrument lately fobbed off on hopelessly rigged markets – which is exactly the opposite of what reality has in store for us. In fact, the salient feature of these times is the remorseless running down of all these rackets to their entropic end points.
     The sad part is that everyone from the leadership down to the lowly clientele of food stamps and gamed disability payments is locked into the vast array of rackets that constitute our national life, and the truth of their failure thresholds is too terrifying to entertain. What to many appears to be a “conspiracy of elites” is just our way of life. Evidence of this is the increasingly eerie way that the financial crimes of recent years somehow vanish into the ethers of history without any official notice from either the media or the police powers of society. In a very serious time, we are just not a serious people. Anything goes and nothing matters.
     The central reality broadly ignored is the unavoidable contraction of industrial economies all over the world. The action is especially brutal in the USA, which actually gave up on the nuts-and-bolts of industrial production beginning in the 1970s, but managed to cream off other nation’s exertions by reserve currency hocus-pocus, pervasive executive control fraud, and a reckless spewage of  glitzy “consumer” service infrastructure over the landscape, which gave the appearance of vitality in the absence of value creation – the exact specialty, by the way, of predatory private equity squads like Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital. All of this was enabled by the last gasps of cheap oil, and without it our whole way of life craps out, including the creaming off of leftovers. And this illness of advanced economies is now spreading all over the world.
     You would think that the question of what we will do about all this might be at issue in the current election – how we might deliberately face the tasks of reorganizing farming, commerce, transportation, banking, schooling, and all the other practical matters of existence. There is an awful lot to talk about, and much to be done, but nobody is interested. Instead, we’ve mounted a foolish campaign to keep all the old rackets running, and there is no fundamental difference between Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama on that. The empty pageantry of these debates dresses this dangerous madness in the raiment of clowning.
     All of this has consequences, of course, but in a society that has ditched all sense of consequence nobody can pay attention to that either. The poet W.H. Auden called his time “a low, dishonest decade.” Bad as the 1930s were, the stakes are even higher now, and our clownish inattention conceals darker falsities that could make that terrible era seem quaint.


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585 Responses to “Empty Pageantry”

  1. kulturcritic* October 8, 2012 at 8:33 am #

    As the shit gets deeper, the mud begins to smell far worse, James.

  2. goodhumorman October 8, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    Grab Your wive and kids to hold on to them tight. Kids are starting to get antzy.

  3. Neon Vincent October 8, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    “Mr. Romney just gave off the odor of someone who will do anything to get elected while Mr. Obama evinced the dejection of someone doubting it was worth it.”
    The former seems to be a fairly widespread idea. The latter would be news to a lot of people, who are making excuses for the president. The best is that he was caught flat-footed by his opponent’s shaking his Etch-A-Sketch right in front of him. Even that doesn’t come out well for Obama; Presidents need to be able to deal with surprises. Of course, the last President to be surprised kept reading “My Pet Goat” while the World Trade Center and Pentagon burned, so Obama is in good company.
    After noted that I had not written about the presidential contest last week on Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I made up for it with a vengeance this week. Of course I blogged about the debate. First, I snarked about Willard the Rat’s flip-flops and denials, saying that he had always been at war with Eastasia. Next, I pointed out that Willard Scissorhand’s attack on Big Bird ran afoul of the one thing guaranteed to get Americans to act–messing with their entertainment. Then I mentioned that he was passing up an investment opportunity–buying stock in Obama in the Iowa Electronic Market, which fell after the debate. Finally, I pointed out that consumer confidence was up among Democrats, but not Republicans. Looks like Obama is the Confidence Fairy, not Romney, who let slip in his 47% talk that he thought his election alone would get people to hire and invest.
    That’s only half of the past week’s posts. I also talked about this month’s Nablopomo theme, cheered on Elizabeth Warren, marked the anniversary of Occupy Wall Street, summarized the past week’s space news, and wished all my readers a happy Wester. What’s Wester? The mirror image of Easter!
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!

  4. PRD October 8, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    I watched again last night the movie “Downfall” — about the final week or so in Hitler’s Berlin bunker. Denial and false gaiety, bordering on the insane, while Russian and American artillery rumbled just overhead.
    Hmmmm. Now, what does that remind me of??

  5. steve-o October 8, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    Of all the explanations I’ve read about Mr. Obama’s lackluster debate performance, the obvious one seems to have been missed. For Pete’s sake it was the man’s anniversary. He and the missus knew he would be exhausted after the debate so why not celebrate before? A vigorous romp in the executive bedroom left him physically drained. It wasn’t presidental gloom or the wearisome woes of high office; the old post-menopausal boy was depleted. Plain and simple.

  6. keny October 8, 2012 at 9:16 am #

    spelling on pageantry. still counts, Jim.

  7. keny October 8, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    spelling on pageantry. still counts, Jim, even in our decaying world.

  8. swmnguy October 8, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    My daughter had to watch the “debate” for middle-school Social Studies. I managed about 5 minutes. The part where Gov. Romney promised he would create 12,000,000 jobs by giving wealthy people tax cuts just about did me in. That’s become standard Republican mythology, though, so it’s almost understandable. What I couldn’t understand is that Pres. Obama didn’t really challenge that silliness.

    The reality, of course, as anyone who has ever operated a business knows, one only hires someone when one has sufficient demand for one’s goods or services, such that one can make more money by hiring someone else than it in fact costs to hire that person. If there is not sufficient demand, one does not hire that person. If one has hired that person, and demand drops below the cost of paying that person, one fires that person. If government gives one a tax cut, but there is not sufficient demand, one just puts that money in one’s pocket. If taxes remain high on employers, but there is sufficient demand to be met by hiring another worker, one hires the worker and adds the tax to the cost of goods and services sold. Demand drives employment, not taxes. Everyone knows this.

    So if Romney, who has spent his whole life in finance, and Obama, who is the President for Chrissake’s, can’t tell the truth about employment and basics of how a business works, we’re in serious trouble. They know the truth. They aren’t that stupid.

    What they know is that our system of finance capitalism relies on infinite expansion of resources, markets, and money supply. We live in a finite world, so only our abstract money is infinite. Since we’ve run up against the limits of resources and markets, all that’s left is abstract confidence scams involving the infinite abstract money supply.

    Humans will go along with comforting nonsense that conceals a terrifying reality, for an amazingly long time. Somebody on Easter Island knew they shouldn’t cut down all the trees, and that carving more giant heads wasn’t appeasing the gods (or restoring the trees, fish, and other edibles). But they did it anyway.

    In the same vein, we’ll choose between a Republican or Democratic version of a Cargo Cult. Instead of building B-29 bombers and airstrips out of palm fronds and rocks in the New Guinea jungle, we’ll build a pretend economy out of derivatives and options, have our Federal Reserve buy worthless mortgage bonds, pretend we can create millions of jobs, and so on.

    It won’t work, of course. They weren’t really Gods in the first place, and they aren’t coming back no matter how faithfully we build altars and offerings for them. Obama and Romney both know this. But they’re cynical enough to skim from the offerings we’re willing to render. Why not? Otherwise the stuff will just go bad.

  9. GAZ October 8, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    Is anybody aware of people starting to get weird about Dec. 21st? It seems to me that it has been largely forgotten. I can’t tell if people call bullshit on this “event” or they are so scared that discussion about it is verbotten. I have some religious neighbors who used to go on and on about the “antichrist” and blah,blah,blah…and now?…nothing.

  10. empirestatebuilding October 8, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    We all know that no one quits drinking or eating until the beer and wings run out. Why should we expect more from our fellow travelers? Expect a slow slide to the bottom.
    I can’t believe Romney actually had the balls in the debate to say that he would make America energy independent. As if every president since Nixon hasn’t said the same thing. But in Romney’s case maybe he meant, free of energy.
    Aimlow Joe was here

  11. ozone October 8, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    Mr. James,
    You write:
    ” You would think that the question of what we will do about all this might be at issue in the current election – how we might deliberately face the tasks of reorganizing farming, commerce, transportation, banking, schooling, and all the other practical matters of existence. There is an awful lot to talk about, and much to be done, but nobody is interested. Instead, we’ve mounted a foolish campaign to keep all the old rackets running, and there is no fundamental difference between Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama on that. The empty pageantry of these debates dresses this dangerous madness in the raiment of clowning.”
    Strangely enough, I just watched “Garbage Warrior” last night. It concerned Mike Reynolds fight against the entrenched bureaucracy of Taos, New Mexico to be “allowed” to build his experimental designs that have everything to do with “how we inhabit the landscape”. Some of his designs might not be considered “beautiful”, but they are all attempts to vastly reduce energy consumption, if not eliminate outside energy inputs altogether. (Of course, beauty being in the eye of the beholder…) Reynolds opines that this is no longer a fanciful experimentation, but a very dire matter of the survival of a future human presence. The IMMEDIATE next two generations; do or die!
    BAU is buttressed by its’ political hacks, and they are in office for the express purpose of stifling creativity and sorely needed paradigm shifts, because there’s no money in it. As you point out, the danger inherent in this kind of steadfastly blinkered and single-tracked way of doing things is turning out to be MASSIVE at this point in human history. (To paraphrase somebody: “The greatest misallocation of resources in human history” tm JHK)
    Further, when you say:
    “In a very serious time, we are just not a serious people. Anything goes and nothing matters.”
    ..it presses ‘play’ on a very old and much used phrase of the construction trades. “We don’t have time for this shit.”
    To my mind, this is an indicator of a very frightened population. To put up with this inability to even describe the current incarnation of reality, much less face it, shows an almost panicked denial. (“Whom the gods would destroy… etc.”)
    BTW, “Anything goes and nothing matters”, along with other patented Kunstler-isms, are being placed in the file labeled, “How To Tell You’re Just About Done.”
    Thanks for outlining our situation. (I understand yours’ isn’t a popular position? ;o)
    Send in the clowns…

  12. jeff z October 8, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    All too true. Watching the debates was grim, and I usually like that sort of crap. Mania and depression sharing the same stage. And this represents the two best minds the country can produce?
    While I usually keep my blog [relatively] apolitical, I’ve been blogging about politics, or what passes for it, at eighth acre farm. While decline will happen no matter who sits in the white house, the ride down may be a bit bumpier, or not,depending on who’s there.
    Sorry for the flagrant blog-flogging, but, there’s no better place to do it. Thanks Jim. http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com

  13. Altavoz-de-Verdad October 8, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    I blogged my thoughts about the debate as well. And though they both mentioned energy policy briefly, it was in the fantasy frame of energy independence and just drill baby drill, not the reality of oil scarcity.
    The post was sort of a poor man’s impression of JHK, give it a read:

  14. orbit7er October 8, 2012 at 9:33 am #

    There were 2 candidates talking about reality on DemocracyNow which expanded the debate to the Third Party candidates – Green Party Jill Stein and Justice Party Rocky Anderson. (Libertarian Gary Johnson was invited but declined)

    You should check out the whole debate including Romney, Obama Stein and Anderson on http://democracynow.org

    Jill Stein talked repeatedly about a Green New Deal for public transit, walkable communities, insulation, solar and wind energy. Rocky Anderson also supports these needed steps and built LightRail in Salt Lake City while reducing municipal greenhouse emissions 31% in just 4 years.

    If you live in a non-Swing State already certain for either Corporatist, Romney or Obama, you should seriously consider voting for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson. But definitely VOTE!

    If even 5% voted for Third Party candidates it would shock the hell out of the Corporatist Establishment…

  15. Zev Paiss October 8, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    We need positive and realistic vision more than anything right now. If the leaders do not lead then it is up to us! Enjoy the read.

  16. ront October 8, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    ” What to many appears to be a “conspiracy of elites” is just our way of life. Evidence of this is the increasingly eerie way that the financial crimes of recent years somehow vanish into the ethers of history without any official notice from either the media or the police powers of society.”
    from Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins p xii
    “Some would blame our current problems on an organized conspiracy. I wish it were so simple. Members of a conspiracy can be rooted out and brought to justice. This system, however, is fueled by something far more dangerous than conspiracy. It is driven not by a small band of men but by a concept that has become accepted as gospel: the idea that all economic growth benefits humankind and that the greater the growth, the more widespread the benefits. This belief also has a corollary: that those people who excel at stoking the fires of economic growth should be exalted and rewarded, while those born at the fringes are available for exploitation.
    “The concept is of course, erroneous. We know that in many countries economic growth benefits only a small potion of the population and may in fact result in increasingly desperate circumstances for the majority. This effect is reinforced by the corollary belief that the captains of industry who drive this system should enjoy a special status, a belief that is the root of many of our current problems and is perhaps also the reason why conspiracy theories abound. When men and women are rewarded for greed, greed becomes a corrupting motivator. When we equate the gluttonous consumption of the earth’s resources with a status approaching sainthood, when we teach our children to emulate people who live unbalanced lives, and when we define huge sections of the population as subservient to an elite minority, we ask for trouble. And we get it.”

  17. RyeBeachBum October 8, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    My guess is that you are right in that Obama knows that we are up shits creek, Romney thinks we can fix things, hence thae debate showed Romney with n energy that Obama could not muster for the “debate”
    IF Obama is of the realization of what is really going on he can not tell the truth of the matter, or he will lose, but I fault him for this he should be doing the things needed to such as bring the troops home, an not just in Afghanistan but in Japan, Korea as well, we are wasting or resources over seas, we need to shift to preparing for a localized economy, re building the infrastructure that we let disappear like the old water powered mills and factories, restoring the rails as you have pointed out many times and the inland water ways, other wise we are going to have a far future we can still hold on to some semblance of a modern society otherwise it is back to the year 476, and the end of the Roman Empire.

  18. matthewstruth October 8, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    While you’re all blogging about this and that, I’ve been gleaning the crab apples off of the same downtown tree, three separate times over the past month and a half. There it sits, in full view, compact and completely loaded with food. After this comment, the apple sauce, juice, and jelly will be happening. So much waste, and ill use of thoroughly edible food happens all over this non-nation. Folks say, euoo, they’re so little, doesn’t that take a long time to cut up. Well duh, yeah, but does that mean that we should just let this food rot on the sidewalks? No wonder we’re collectively floundering, how many are willing to see, and use what is in plain sight?
    Thank you James for continually saying it!
    And how’s your orchard doing?

  19. ozone October 8, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    ‘Murkins as Cargo Cultists, eh?
    Alarmingly accurate, and goes right along with last week’s zinger of a “scam society”.
    Yes, we’re anxiously awaiting our slice of the pie… -in-the-sky. (Coming down from this particular drugged state is going to be quite the crash.)

  20. 3rd Generation October 8, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    Worst column of the year.
    Try again Next Monday.

  21. Crazy Horse October 8, 2012 at 10:04 am #

    Does anyone remember the last three presidential elections held in our Democracy? Little bush ascending to the presidency with a minority of votes, votes not counted in the state of Florida governed by his brother, and the final theft of the election certified by a supreme court appointed by his father? Then four years later, Ohio seals the deal with votes counted by Diebold computers that miraculously produce results that diverge 10% from exit polls, an outcome that would be grounds for calling fraud had it happened in any third world country.
    And finally we get hopium and change from a Trojan horse candidate nicely camouflaged by slightly darker skin so naive liberals would view him as their savior.
    Venezuela just held an election in the midst of poverty, a national crisis and intense political polarization, with a recent history of an attempted coup by the US as background. Yet the voting process is recognized as being the most technically advanced and fairest in the world. If you care to see how elections are conducted in a democracy, as apposed to the way they are carried out in the Banana Republic USA, take a look at the Real News.

  22. Crazy Horse October 8, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    Of course real democracy involves much more than the mere act of voting. As long as 400 individuals own virtually all the wealth in society (a ratio not see since the age of feudalism) democracy is impossible. Permanent incarceration in a windowless cell is their proper residence, not a penthouse in the Trump tower.

  23. piltdownman October 8, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    Jim –
    Having kicked around politics for some number of years, I was quite shocked by Obama’s Xanax imbued performance. (Of course, Romney appeared to have smoked crack and then quenched his thirst for power with a six pack of Red Bull…) Perhaps as others have noted, Obama never really was that much of a debater or orator to start with. I mean, after Bush, Gilbert Gottfried would have sounded good, so Obama didn’t have to do much but just stand up, avoid the malaprops and get to the end of the prompter.
    Remember, Obama didn’t “kill” in his debates with McCain last time out — he just held his own – and at that point the youthful vigor of Obama was a huge contrast to McCain, who appeared dry as tinder and ready to blow away across the Arizona desert.
    One other note. Remember what some of the most watched shows on TV are these days; performance charades such as “The Voice” and “American Idol.” More than ever, a huge cohort of the American public believes that they are apt judges of “performance,” whether the person is a 18-year old tatted up rap singer or a Presidential candidate….

  24. JulettaofOhio October 8, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Definitely the worst column of the year, and you know, I expected better of you. Obama, the “Viagra Candidate”, who can’t do anything by himself, has opted out of governing. Without his teleprompter and someone to write witty, discerning sound bites, he’s lost. The media wasn’t able to cover for him and smoothe his path, so you got to see the failure that is the real Obama.
    I’ve always considered you to be a leftist, but still the type of intellectual leftist with an ounce of insight and a willingness to be fair. Yes, I know the world as we knew it is about over, but do you want the “manic” Romney or the comatose Obama presiding over the remains? Obama has never been able to stick with anything and moves on when the going gets rough. He’s never run anything, won’t go to his intel or budget meetings and heads out for golf when questions must be answered and decisions made.
    I’ve only visited a few times since last spring as your hostility for the “corn-pone nazis” has reached an uncomfortable level for me. You are perilously close to turning them into “the Other” and with your background, you should know better.
    This is the Monday I take you off my favorites list.

  25. Dr. Tim October 8, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Jim is trying to tell us that there is no difference between Mitt and Barack. And he is right. Free ice cream signs might attract folks on the left and right, but the frig is broken. Gore and Bush was the last time there was potentially a difference, as I don’t believe we would have catastrophically fallen for the Iraq scam if the chads hadn’t been read like tea leaves. We are being constantly scammed by professional scammers gaming the world for themselves and there aren’t enough lifeboats. Ignorance is bliss. Where can I get a cheap lobotomy?

  26. JulettaofOhio October 8, 2012 at 10:28 am #

    The overwhelming clusterfuck of today seems to have pushed the whimsical theories off the screen. I’m much more worried about the future of my children and the prospect of Obama continuing to suck our blood to summon enough energy to dwell on “Planet X’ or the ancient Mayans.

  27. wardoc October 8, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Historically, when societies collapse, the main, perhaps pathognomonic symptom is CRIME. Even in the relatively civil 30’s, referred to above as a “low, dishonest decade,” crime was rampant but often not reported. In the mid 1930’s, the national police chiefs organization met with groups of newspaper editors (yes, people actually read newspapers then)and asked them NOT to report on the massive numbers of kidnappings for cash, in order to avoid “copycat crime.” They complied, as I suspect news managers are doing in an analogous way today.
    There is massive crime out there, and not just among bankers and politicians. Yes, Violence is apparently down (if the data can be believed) (more people than ever are now armed; yes with GUNS !!!!! and that always brings violent crime down—an armed society is a polite society). BUT, break ins, burglaries of all kinds, car thefts, etc ad nauseum, are going asymptotic. Even the upper middle class suburbs are being targeted (oh my! ! !). IT will only get worse. Eventually, there will be full on class warfare between the “have nots” and the “have a little bits,” as govmint is powerless to actually do anything about the progressively growing absence of things people are accustomed to having, not to mention hope (think about its performance during Katrina; pathetic and impotent).
    Most followers of the ongoing collapse seem to think that we’ll end up in a culture akin to the mid 1800’s. What a nice, warm fuzzy day dream. 10,000BC is far more accurate. We might eventually get to “world made by hand,” but only after years of bloody, unimaginable (to the gentle,”schooled” mind)warfare over food and water. I suspect the “road warrior” scenario will be rather blase’ compared to what’s coming.
    If you want a vision of the most likely near future, think of this. In Sarajevo (formerly the Paris of Eastern Europe) in the mid 1990’s, I observed many cases of innocent men, women and children coming into the makeshift UN ERs (sometimes alive; often dead) with horrific wounds from snipers, received while they were trying to carry water back from community water centers to their homes. More like 10,000 BC than 1890. That’s whats coming. Its just hard to see it from the standpoint of our currently fat, lazy, and soft society run on cheap oil.
    Its going to be interesting to say the least.
    Lock and load.

  28. Brutus October 8, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    Here’s the best statement: What to many appears to be a “conspiracy of elites” is just our way of life. Evidence of this is the increasingly eerie way that the financial crimes of recent years somehow vanish into the ethers of history without any official notice from either the media or the police powers of society. In a very serious time, we are just not a serious people.
    Maybe some of us tuned into the clown circus, but I for one didn’t. Nothing there but hot air. This is why after mentioning the debate briefly, you moved on to the sobering subject of economic contract that is the near-term future. I wouldn’t go so far as to say no one cares or is paying attention, but that assessment is fundamentally true of the MSM, whose independence of thought and action from the prevailing political winds is nil.
    It’s still too soon, I think, to predict the timing and details of what’s to come — not that those accounts aren’t interesting to conjure up and read — but the picture is getting clearer all the time. And perhaps the worst aspect of it is the forced optimism amid steadfast denial, meaning we have not a single political leader who can frame the issues and speak the truth and hope to acheive or retain office. They just keep applying the clown make-up.

  29. noel bodie October 8, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    Good observations and good post, Jim.

  30. OccupyMBA October 8, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    This is one of the most profound statements in today’s post, in my opinion:
    “What to many appears to be a ‘conspiracy of elites’ is just our way of life.”
    Something to ponder…
    Nonetheless, what is represented by Romney – “Archipelago Man” (from Matt Taibbi) – is the elite among elites, and could be called Neo-mercantilism, where the nation (i.e., Crown Realm) is replaced by the location-less wealthy, who continue to benefit from this economic mess.
    For some expressions of the old mercantilism, whose echoes we hear in the likes of Romney, read Bernard de Mandeville, William Temple, Thomas Mun, Gerard Malynes, Charles Davenant, Jean Baptiste Colbert, and William Petty. Talk about cynicism – in the eye of today’s humanitarians and progressives, at least; to the above-named, it was simply about the natural order of things and people. In Reagan, Bush, and Romney, I hope we’re not seeing the first glimmerings of a new “natural order”.
    http://OccupyMBA.com !

  31. Lost-in-North-Dakota October 8, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    Reality may well assert herself next spring or summer, if we run out of corn and soybeans.

  32. JulettaofOhio October 8, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    That’s a 20th anniversary, and I’m sure the magic is long-gone. After twenty years of living with a castrating bitch, I doubt Obama was interested in the MOOCH. He’s known as the “Viagra President” because he can’t do anything without help, and heaving her big butt around would require a lot of little blue pills and motivation. That’s certainly one quality he lacks. Sorry, you have to credit his failure to something else, like apathy, an unwillingness to work or to realize he’s not God and needs the media and his handlers to function.

  33. bproman October 8, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    I am programming my robot butler to dig a latrine but it is having trouble moving around in those big rubber boots.

  34. XXX5 October 8, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Nouriel Roubini has, I believe correctly, pointed out 2013 as “the perfect storm”. Consumer demand has been driven so far from the future into the present through an enormous variety of incentives in housing, autos, and even furniture and other items, that the profit margins of industry cannot be sustained.
    The stock market’s illusions, the last remaining ones in an economy with tremendous UNDEREMPLOYMENT, are predicated on multi-national companies selling Coca Cola to Indians and Chinese or opening bank branches in Beijing. However, the source of China’s slowdown is no mystery. Europe and America are slowly being drained of buying power and the Chinese “miracle” is on a tortuous down ramp.
    The stock market gives the economy a patina of respectability it does not deserve. Money is changing hands slower than 2008. More jobs are unskilled and low-paying. Healthcare and college costs still rise double digits each year. Thus, both the young and old in America face a problem. The young can’t afford college and can’t get the kind of jobs that supply governments with sufficient revenue streams. The old, even if they’ve lived very prudently, are facing imploding pension systems.
    There’s a simple reason why the annual Federal Deficit is a trillion bucks and the debt ceiling is spiraling out of control … insufficient revenue. This, even though the state governments and the Federal government are laying off like crazy. Private sector jobs that pay like the late 1990s seem like a distant dream that only lasted a few years. Creme-de-la-creme engineering students no longer get that automatic $100K+ entry level job … if they find a job at all.
    It’s the government’s revenue shortfalls that are THE telltale sign that this is the phoniest recovery since record-keeping began. Counties, cities, and states are just about universally cutting services to the bone. If the economy was anywhere near as healthy as some think it is (esp. Asoka), governments would not be going broke and coming up with new rounds of layoffs every year … a problem compounded by union fat cats getting $250K+ per year for life in retirement.
    You can try to make 2+2 equal nine in a fantasy world. In the real world where your garbage has to get collected, your neighborhoods patrolled, and your schools open … times have never been worse. Debts at every level are spiraling out of control and yet many treat debts as SECONDARY statistics. No. They are THE most telltale statistics about net tax revenues. And tax revenue stats tell you how LITTLE the polity is actually earning.
    Those gigantic debts are not some magic statistics pulled out of someone’s derriere. Our society keeps pretty good track of who owes whom what. And it’s only going to get worse as we run out of gimmicks to drive future demand into the present … it’s already been driven.

  35. ExtraO October 8, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Although I was only able to watch a few disjointed minutes of the debate here from my listening post safely beyond the borders of Stalag AmeriKa, (due to the streaming feeds repeatedly going down) I too got the distinct impression that Obama’s problem was not a lack of preparation. Looked more to me like he just doesn’t really want it any longer. I thought he was takin’ a dive.

  36. Smokyjoe October 8, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    JHK puts a lot of hope in the “Millennial Generation” of young Americans. I’m not so sure.
    I write this while taking a class-planning break in a college library’s “quiet study” zone. The kids are mostly polite, but a few are Facebooking and commenting to each other or just old-fashioned talking about their weekend debauches.
    Not too different from undergrads of years past, except these kids–our best and brightest–are being prepared for just the scams that JHK and many others lament: the Bain racket, the Fed racket, the debt debacle. They cannot imagine a world where new smart phones do not magically appear every year, where gasoline is not available, where they cannot get a loan or a great job in the financial sector.
    Colleagues are no better: when I mentioned at lunch that neither candidate could speak the truth (and I suspect Obama knows it) that the nation is structurally bankrupt, one professor replied “debt does not matter if the economy is growing again.”
    And thus, JHK’s words that”the American public can only admire somebody who displays such a buoyant disregard for what is actually happening in the universe” apply far beyond the pork-rind crunchers and bible thumpers of NASCAR and Wal Mart.
    On a gray day like today, it’s easy to smell doom in the air.

  37. ninaXYZ October 8, 2012 at 11:00 am #

    It must be exasperating to attempt debating anything with a Jared Loughner-style smirk.

  38. lsjogren October 8, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    There were 2 candidates talking about reality on DemocracyNow
    Great- let’s replace one of these clueless establishment candidates with an even more delusional candidate of the radical left.
    Jill Stein? Rocky Anderson?
    Are you out of your mind?

  39. driften October 8, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    I wonder if europeans are uncomfortable watching this process of ours. Will we choose to imbue our heroic corporate raider with the power needed to become a nation raider? Maybe they ain’t seen nothin’ yet, Romney will show the ECB a few tricks…

  40. ozone October 8, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Hey, speaking of denials of reality and insurmountable delusions, here’s a fine example:
    “Columbus, of course, believed throughout the course of his four voyages that he had not discovered a new world, but rather pioneered a water route to an old one, the India he had read about in Marco Polo’s celebrated Travels. He was naively misguided about this to the end of his days. Furthermore, he never set foot in North America; he got no closer than a glimpse of the far-off Florida Keys before deciding to head south. Incredibly, he never guessed that North America existed, not even as an indistinct, monster-inhabited place on one of his fanciful maps.”
    -Laurence Bergreen
    Let us celebrate “Clueless Columbo Day” and praise him as the discoverer of a land-mass he never sighted nor set foot upon! (Don’t worry; we’ll revise that for you later.)
    Hurrah, me boyz, Hurrah!

  41. CaptSpaulding October 8, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    “wet it’s small clothes”, I haven’t seen that referenced in years. Back in the day, small clothes referred to your underwear. I saw it used by one lord commenting on another. “Lord Percy walks as if he’d fouled his small clothes, and looks as if he’d smelt it.” Which led to a duel.

  42. azgog October 8, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    Muricans prefer to be lied to – its a lot easier to take than the truth. If “put on a sweater” is enough to disqualify a president imagine what would happen to a candidate who, noting that oil has recently quadrupled in price, also advised people to turn down the air conditioning and drive 55 instead of 75mph. Any diminishment of the “American Dream” will be highly unpopular with the dreamers, so lies and falsehoods in support of BAU is all we will hear.
    I think Manic Mitt actually has a good chance next month. He astutely invoked free enterprise, self reliance and States rights to cover his actual plan for increasing Corporate power, reinflating military spending and cutting out paid-for benefits (under the perjurous term “entitlements”). It will be highly ironic if the 99% elect a certified 1%’er (and a religious cultist, btw), to continue and expand the screwing they have been taking for the last 20 years.
    If Bain Capital was transferring my job to China, shipping over the production machinery and telling me to train my replacement while syphoning off the value and taking a tax break, I’d be more than a little pissed off.
    Yet the unspoken feeling of the swing voters may be that “we gave this black guy his chance (while being openly committed to making him fail), so now our liberal guilt is assuaged and its time to go back to some good old right wing nostalgia and magical thinking”. Cue the clowns. When President Romney confronts the underlying economic malaise and fails to conjure up those 12 million new jobs he will need some excuses and it may turn out to be his new war with Iran and China. Be careful what you wish for…

  43. Piper Michael October 8, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    National hebephrenia!
    I love that word James.
    It portrays the perfect sense of the national heebie jeebies, affecting the phrenia of our national consciousness.
    But that’s ok James, it will only get worse… as December comes and goes, it will begin to turn into an international Alice in Wonderland filled with Hatters.
    For something wicked this way comes, and peak oil is only a part of the cause of the die off of an immoral, rancid, and bellicose house of cards that must die, in order for a world made by hand to appear.
    But first the statue of the Head of Gold that stands on the two legs of left and right, supported by the finance of oil and reserve currency must die, and the Phoenix rise out of the ashes as the Beast. The capitalist statue must be killed and replaced by the collective animal. Money must change James, can’t you see it? The reason they’re not worried, the war that must come? Capitalist money is too ‘limited’, it must be replaced by global unlimited free credit! Free money for all! Haha hoho hehe…
    All you have to do is sell your soul.

  44. orbit7er October 8, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Hmmm “the radical left” meaning what exactly?
    In 1980 the moderate Republican John Anderson suggested an increase in the gas tax by 50 cents after the second Oil Spike in 1979. It is “radical” to suggest that we need to move to Green Transit as California is facing the recurrence of gas shortages last seen in the 1970’s?

    It is “radical” to suggest that $1 Trillion per year for Oil Wars is a tad too much? What is your plan to save resources, deficits and the value of the US dollar when 55% of Federal income taxes are going to Wars consuming 5% of US oil?

    It is “radical” to suggest that the US which is just above Latvia amongst industrialized countries in key health measures like infant and maternal mortality, might finally join the rest of the civilized world and escape the grip of the for profit Private insurance healthcare deniers?

    It is astounding to me that the Corporatists do not point out that one of the biggest obstacles to entrepreneurship is the need to anchor oneself in a Corporate or Government bureaucracy or risk bankruptcy and losing everything to a major illness. Romney / Obama care really does not resolve this issue just serving up millions as a captive audience to private healthcare deniers who consume 30% of US healthcare costs vs 5-8% for all other industrialized countries.

    All these ideas are hardly “radical left” and are supported by vast majorities of the US. But denied a forum or champion in the electoral arena.
    I suggest you listen to what Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson had to say. If you wish check out their factual claims and I think you will find them valid whether you want to or not.

  45. The Mook October 8, 2012 at 11:57 am #


  46. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    Did Jill also talk open borders and a welfare state?
    Adding another 100 or 300 million peeps to the XUSA.

  47. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    “The stock market gives the economy a patina of respectability it does not deserve.”
    Indeed. especially when it goes up.
    How many of the Dow Companies make a profit?
    At one point most [?] were losing money!
    Always good to read yr ‘perspectives on reality’.

  48. JulettaofOhio October 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    From one of your own lefties:
    GE is Moving from Wisconsin.
    Keep your eye on Waukesha, Wisconsin……Their biggest employer just moved out. General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray division from Waukesha,Wis., to Beijing. In addition to moving the headquarters,the company will invest $2 billion in China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers.
    This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year, but paid no taxes – the same company that employs more people overseas than it does in the United States.
    So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs. Thanks Jeff, you’re a “real” American….give Barack our Best! If this doesn’t show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don’t know what does.
    Full Disclosure: My oldest son works for GE. JofO

  49. Niels Laughlin October 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Romney is manic, Obama is depressive?
    Depressive is superior to manic. Abraham Lincoln was a depressive and would have forbidden the pointless wasting of Hiroshima and Fallujah. GW Bush was a manic for whom no destruction is real.

  50. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Hey Joe, what will the doom be like?
    And dont expect much reality from young students.
    if they have not had to have a full time job, raise children, de program all the leftist disinformation the media and schools have given them. etc.

  51. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    I hear that Obama will be ‘back in LA today’. His helicopter will land just across the street from
    FOX Studios. [KCRW said ‘Pico and Motor’].
    Must be doing some Hollywood Fund raisers.
    Man can that guy play golf!

  52. And So it Goes October 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Nice Post XXX5
    Well said…
    Informed and concise…
    “Never argue with a fool, it serves NO useful purpose.”
    Mr. Kunstler gets a little off kilter when it comes to politics, but I like to read his posts anyway…
    Have a good day..

  53. Barter4Booze October 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Just because the clowns look like clowns doesn’t mean they know how to tie balloons.

  54. k-dog October 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    To me, Mr. Romney just gave off the odor of someone who will do anything to get elected while Mr. Obama evinced the dejection of someone doubting it was worth it.

    And neither of them radiated any glowing concern for their fellow citizens or any interest in the long term health and survival of the nation.
    ✔ K-Dog for president.
    If you don’t want to vote for me then vote for yourself. That’s what Obama and Romney will do, they sure won’t be voting for you.
    K-Dog, dedicated to dealing with reality and ending political corruption.
    Vote for me so I can vote for you.

  55. J Lee October 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    Go Romney Go. doesn’t that sound better than Go Obama Go. Or would you rather your cheerleaders be quoting some passage from the bible? If so just move to Texas the land of the free and home of the… But I digress. We need Romney to lead us quicker to the valley of death and destruction. The sooner we get there the sooner we may have to face our realities.

  56. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    Excellent comment. Best comment of the day. Thanks.

  57. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    t is just after 9:00 AM in Los Angeles and I am watching CNN reporting on the dire situation in Iran. Reporting in some depth, I might add. They put on The Fareed. They put on The Spider General. I’m still reeling from yesterday’s front page story in the LA Times about the rising acidity of the world’s oceans. I believe that humanity has now reached a point where everyone who has an understanding of how quickly modern civilization is killing off every living thing on this planet needs to just STOP. Don’t do what you usually do. Even if it is just for one day. Did Nancy Reagan have the right idea? Just say “NO”. Put the breaks on. Raise the drawbridge. Bring in the relief pitcher. Break the momentum, the rhythm. Invite as many as you can to join you. Go ahead. Don’t be shy. Can’t form a consensus? Did you really think that you would on the first attempt? First things first. We are creating a world that is about to become biologically impossible to live in. How many more days of this behavior do we really have?

  58. helen highwater October 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

  59. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    Elizabeth Warren? The Blonde who claimed Native American ethnicity? Don’t you think that’s kind of offensive to real Native Americans?
    And what does it say about the reality of “White Privledge” that people don’t want to be White anymore? Ask you Muslim friends in Dearborn – in case you don’t know, they want out of being called White. I mean how can being put at the back of the line for everything be called privledge? Only delusional liberals could thing that white is black like that….

  60. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    Good points. So who would you say opened up America for Europeans?
    Btw, Colombus was seeking military aid from India against the Muslims – he was a Crusader. Remember, Europe was surrounded by Islam and felt hemmed in and vulnerable. Not that you care of course, but others might.

  61. Jeff October 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Given the inability of the majority of humans to understand limits to growth, I think the only reasonable reaction is to not have kids and say “Fuck the future, let’s party!”
    If you already have kids, I guess the equation is a bit more complex.

  62. mistified October 8, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.”
    I don’t get it. How is Julettaofohio’s door going to hit you? Are you in her house stealing her shit, you disgusting, rotting, insignificant speck of vomit?

  63. Kitaj October 8, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Obama is hardly a progressive – he is a political whore who serves the plutocracy as faithfully as any neoconservative.
    You sound like you get your news from Fox and Glenn Beck. Real progressives cant stand Obama (or Pelosi or Reid or etc.). If you want to hear the opinions of real progressives who loath the red-team-blue team BS, go read the comments at Commondreams. Read two articles a day from this website for 30 days and youll learn more about what is going on in the world than you have learned in the previous 5 years.

  64. mistified October 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    And “Highwater”, get some boots. It ain’t water, douche-girl.

  65. mistified October 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    ” If you want to hear the opinions of real progressives who loath the red-team…”
    Progressives ARE the “red” team, moron.

  66. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Good article about the savagery of pre-contact Indians and Africans. Cannibalism and torture were considered a sport and duty. Muslims put an end to such horrors as would the Chinese. No higher culture will tolerate such things. Our ancestors did right and we should honor them – and not the savages! Silly people.

  67. dale October 8, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    10,000BC is far more accurate. We might eventually get to “world made by hand,” but only after years of bloody, unimaginable (to the gentle,”schooled” mind)warfare over food and water.
    Well, as long as Rachel will be running around in that rabbit skin bikini I’m good with it.

  68. Fisherkutbait October 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    What is is. What isn’t isn’t. Don’t confuse the two. And, don’t drive your boat where the birds are standing. Good advice is available but unlikely to be sought (or acted upon). Frankly, it looks like we are in for “interesting” times.

  69. dale October 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.”
    I don’t get it. How is Julettaofohio’s door going to hit you? Are you in her house stealing her shit, you disgusting, rotting, insignificant speck of vomit?
    Apparently the election season is in full swing!

  70. dale October 8, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    What is is. What isn’t isn’t. Don’t confuse the two.
    But that all depends on what “is”, is, isn’t it.

  71. ront October 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    “Jill Stein? Rocky Anderson?
    Are you out of your mind?”
    Stepping out of a deluded mind can be a wonderful thing.

  72. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    And the protests against war continue, and the war veterans were arrested.
    To protest the start of the 12th year of the U.S. war in Afghanistan, military veterans and their allies gathered at New York’s Vietnam Veterans Memorial to hear speakers, lay flowers and read the names of those killed in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The NYPD marked the event by arresting 25 people – including an 85-year-old veteran – because it was time to “close” the memorial and it was taking too long to read the names. They also reportedly arrested those recording the vigil.
    “This is a sad day… How can you arrest me for being at a war memorial?” — Vietnam veteran Mike Hastie.

  73. newworld October 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    America is a cross between the Jim Jones cult and Big Momma’s day care center.
    Nothing can be decided here in this country at this time, it simply must collapse, because an entity based on utopian non-sense managed by an ethos of you can do no wrong is a big fail.

  74. Kitaj October 8, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    “Progressives ARE the “red” team, moron.”
    Hey crap-for-brains, you sound like another Glenn Beckbot.
    True progressives want to finish the American Revolution. Phase one was the elimination of the “divine right” of bloodline royalty. The next phase is the end of the “divine right” of capital, or in other words, ending plutocratic rule in this country.
    The plutocracy owns both parties, but I guess you are just too stupid to figure that out. You are a perfect example of the dumbed-down American that is making this country the laughingstock of the world.

  75. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    “Cannibalism and torture were considered a sport and duty…..No higher culture will tolerate such things.”
    For someone who is supposed to so well read, it is tragically comic how the obvious constantly eludes you.
    Cannibalism, huh. Would that be like a country that throws it’s youth into the mouth of the War Monster for the profit of a few? Would it be like a government allowing oil drilling and coal mining to take place on publicly owned land while not pressing the companies involved to at least pay the royalties?
    How much of native North American Indian culture would still be in place, essentially unchanged, if the Europeans had not shown up? Would they have brought the entire living planet to the brink of extinction?
    Higher culture my ass.
    John Pierpont Morgan

  76. Dan_White October 8, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    Gar Alperovitz over at Naked Capitalism has a nice talk on the emptiness of the debate and the need for an alternate plan which he puts forth eloquently: worker owned cooperatives, over 4,000 of them in Ohio. He talks about the history of Youngstown Sheet and Tube and the 5,000 men that were let go in 1977 and what they tried to do but were stymied by the union and the Carter administration.
    Neither candidate would touch that with a ten foot dole.

  77. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Democracy? You mean rule by the mob – and those who rule the mob? Sounds like we have too much Democracy…

  78. Dan_White October 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    He discusses that wealth relative to America. Worth a read and a watch.

  79. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    If you don’t agree with the Conquest that made America possible, then leave. Staying here feeling as you do, is bad faith. Go back to Europe, Whitey.
    Btw, the ancient Indians hunted many species to extinction. But they did have, at least by the time of the Conquest, a kind of reverence for Nature that is very noble and needed. Compare their praying for the soul of the killed animal with our hunters putting a foot on the body and taking a picture – or Black Africans laughing hysterically as the animal slowly dies.

  80. dale October 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Democracy? You mean rule by the mob – and those who rule the mob? Sounds like we have too much Democracy…
    Auctung! Vee must end zee rule of zee fatherland by the communistic mob! Rise up you idiots and crush the rule of zhose who voud allow too much vreedom. You have nothing too lose vat your vings.

  81. RanchLady October 8, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    Reply to Ozone on Micheal Reynolds,
    In the mid-nineties, I lived in one Reynold’s experimental homes in Colorado, and stayed in one in Taos, NM. I met Reynolds several times and toured his spread in New Mexico. The tire homes are called Earthships. If you are interested, he published 3 books on how to build one. We even have a nice one up here in Northern Arizona, although I haven’t seen it yet. But these structures can be built from used tires, dirt, and crushed soda cans and a few logs for the roof. They are well insulated and some of them are absolutely gorgeous while others are basic dwellings. Reynolds is a pioneer, and at some point, people may be grateful for the knowledge of how to make a livable shelter for practically nothing but the labor, which many guys and a few women have proven they can do. If you are interested, I’ll dig out my books and give the information on them, although it sounds like you already have that. Thanks for reminding me of Reynolds and his work.

  82. dale October 8, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    Gar Alperovitz over at Naked Capitalism has a nice talk on the emptiness of the debate.
    The emptiness of the debate is unavoidable, what we really need is a debate on emptiness.

  83. Dan_White October 8, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Re GE moving it’s 115 year old plant to China:
    Why the fuck don’t these replies show up under the thing we’re replying to???
    “President Obama’s naming of General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt to a new post focused on creating US jobs has drawn cheers from the corporate community, and appears to reflect a change in tone from the White House with regard to big business.
    But the head of a leading manufacturing association told us on ABC’s “Top Line” that the president’s choice sends the wrong message to many of those who are currently out of work – who happen to be some of the same voters the president needs to win back.
    “He could have done worse, but he certainly could have done a lot better,” Scott Paul, executive director of the Alliance for American Manufacturing, told us.
    “I mean, Immelt has outsourced a ton of jobs. They’ve closed — GE has closed 29 factories in the last two years alone. And if you’re trying to send a signal to those white, working-class voters that left the Democratic Party in droves in November, naming one of the country’s leading outsourcers as your chief strategy guy on jobs — I don’t think was the smartest move.”

  84. dale October 8, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    “Progressives ARE the “red” team, moron.”
    Hey crap-for-brains, you sound like another Glenn Beckbot.
    Election season in full swing, (exhibit II)

  85. bht October 8, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    your views on economic contraction have some academic support. see paper of robert gordon on website of natl bureau of economic research.

  86. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    “If you don’t agree with the Conquest that made America possible, then leave.”
    You’re so full of shit that you don’t even know how full of shit you are.
    First, “America” had to be discovered. Unless, and I suspect this may be the case, the Europeans actually took dung and mud and constructed a land mass.

  87. mow October 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    that about says it all.

  88. Kitaj October 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm #

    Nope. Not the reason for my post. This person “mistified” has a habit of being abusive toward people here on a regular basis so I just wanted to let him know he can kiss my ass. Sick of the jerks on this website.

  89. dale October 8, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    Sick of the jerks on this website.
    Well, if you can’t beat ’em join ’em.

  90. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    California Gasoline Crisis Shows Desirability of Hybrid, Electric Cars by Juan Cole
    “The Big Oil lobby is always talking about how unreliable wind and solar energy are. They say the wind doesn’t blow all the time, and the sun doesn’t shine at night. But actually, there are ways, such as hydropumps, to store renewable energy for use later. And increasingly sophisticated computer programs are getting good at being able to feed more wind energy into the grid when that source is strong, and switching to other sources when there is a lull.
    But petroleum is also unreliable. We’ve seen many gasoline crises, including the significant one in the late 1970s. World demand remains high and supply is tight, keeping prices historically high. The Iran crisis percolates along, and were it to worsen, gasoline prices could go sky-high (yes, I mean sky-high compared to $5 a gallon).”

  91. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    I liked yr comments to B.T. , posted yesterday, so I want to repost:
    Being there
    Up to you old tricks again I see.
    As if Fire Protection and PBS are on the same level, both necessities.
    Believe it or not, there are many Americans who don’t like paying for the Leftist garbaged spewed from that network.
    And to any DISCERNING eye (not you obviously), Sesame Street is an overt attempt to corrupt young Whites into accepting multiculturalism. The teaching of a,b,c’s is an obvious ruse.

  92. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    If folks want to know where the USA and Obama really are at, check Taki Mags recent article on HipHop and Obama.

  93. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 3:20 pm #

    If you are referring to a cars ‘breaks’, its Brakes.
    What are you alluding to?

  94. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    2 lil things to discuss:
    1. I got an email from a concerned citizen.
    Something about ‘a bill’ that addresses the ‘mass burial of the dead’. As in those killed in civil unrest.
    2. Once upon a time I went to a talk about ‘Natives in the Pacific Northwest.’
    I forget the writers/lecturers name.
    One hobby they had was killing their slaves.
    As in, showing up at a party, and having the slaves lay down on the sand before their canoe arrived.
    The canoe would land on the slaves, killing them.
    It was a ‘I am so rich I can kill my slaves to make a ‘big native’ entrance.’

  95. Jimmy Drinkwater October 8, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    I go through my week taking in the daily incremental bombast of deception and cant until that accrues at week’s end to almost make me a believer again, done with all the negativity.
    Then along comes JHK’s weekly reminder that it is a lonely place and requires exceptional strength keeping one’s own council.

  96. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    “If you are referring to a cars ‘breaks’, its Brakes. What are you alluding to?”
    See what’s gonna happen to me if they quit funding Sesame Street? I’m so screwed. By the way, you left the apostrophe out of “it’s”
    What am I alluding to? ….eh….maybe the prophet Zimmerman.

  97. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    “I am so rich I can kill my slaves to make a ‘big native’ entrance.”
    What POSSIBLE reason could you have to post this to readers of mostly European backgrounds? To make our own behavior seem somehow OK?

  98. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    Miguel Tinker Salas, professor of history and Latin American studies at Pomona College, told the Institute for Public Accuracy: “The outcome of Venezuela’s election on Sunday, October 7 will not only determine who governs Venezuela for the next six years but also who controls the most important proven oil deposits in the world. Regionally, the Chávez election in 1998 became the first of many left electoral gains in Latin America including Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Bolivia and Ecuador. Therefore, the outcome of these elections will reverberate throughout Latin America, Washington, Beijing and other world capitals.”

  99. Liquid Lennny October 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    Of course we all know the “debate” was a theatrical exercise.
    But we can be rest assured Mitt Romney believes in
    “… an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.”
    Now maybe he actually said that above statement or maybe he didn’t, honestly I don’t know, but it was worth just reading this type of mental circular loop kind of logic our politicians practice.
    Bottom line is don’t expect any solutions from “Skynet” while we await our own financial judgement day…oh, and your resistance is futile…
    Oops sorry for the mixed metaphors, watched too many DVD’s this weekend.
    OK, I’m done with be irrelevant today.

  100. caseyf5 October 8, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    As long as FIRE (Finance, Insurance Real Estate) is in charge we are going to burn! Probably with the intensity of a Super Nova.

  101. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    C’mon…don’t be done.
    Shiiiiiiiit. I’m just gettin’ warmed up!

  102. ian807 October 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    I think Mr. Obama knows the fix is in. I think he already knows which of them been elected by the elite. He also knows that he is simply at the top of the heap of useful idiots, employed for the benefit of the world’s wealthy, and would rather be done with the whole mess. Yet, he still has to go through the motions of running for an office he no longer believes in and probably no longer really wants. Under those circumstances, I too, would find it hard to look enthusiastic for such a debate.

  103. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    Debate The Debate.
    Fuck ’em both. That’s right. Completely consistent with my belief that we need to momentarily shut this sucker down. Two reasons:
    1. To get their goddamn attention.
    2. To prove to ourselves that as citizens, we do, indeed, have the power to get their goddamn attention.

  104. Liquid Lennny October 8, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    OK, XHALOR here’s one for you and those who are interested.
    As I survey the cultural landscape every once and a while I come across examples which demonstrate there are those out there who actually “get it”. It is these examples which help me maintain a little sanity in this out of control world.
    See if this works for you;
    Enjoy all!
    Now, got to get back to diggin’ holes so I can fill them later…

  105. beantown bill October 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    Romney and Obama ARE different. It’s just that the path each one wants to take in the future leads to the same result. In that sense, we have no real choice.
    Jobs are supposedly an issue. But they aren’t, really. What the issue is, is that the middle class hasn’t got enough money to pay its way, and traditionally, accumulation of money was made by exchanging one’s labor for value.
    In our post-post-modern culture, most jobs soon won’t be necessary. Therefore, we need a new economic paradigm, one in which people can accumulate value other than being paid for their labor.
    I think our economic difficulties arise because we haven’t applied ourselves to finding new ways to do things.
    Why is that? Because TPTB, those that control the governmental and electoral processes, don’t want us to. They don’t want us to because the assets and power they have accumulated may well become moot in a near-future world. They need – for whatever personal quirks – to be at the top.
    Rather than truly helping humanity advance, TPTB ignore taking the correct paths in order to retain their money and power. And that only leaves doing the same things we’ve always done.
    The Earth is way overpopulated. We’re ruining our environment, and there’s no longer enough resources to carry such huge numbers of people. Nature always rules, so a great reckoning is fast approaching, wherein the Earth will drastically cut down our numbers.
    It doesn’t have to happen this way, and it’s why having the choices we have in the current election is such a tragedy. Oh, for original thinkers!

  106. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    “Therefore, we need a new economic paradigm, one in which people can accumulate value other than being paid for their labor.”
    There’s the rub, Bill. What will the nature of this “value” be? For a while my labor, and the labor of many in the cublicle farm with me, was reformatting “reports” and “web pages”. That is, while I wasn’t making sure that motels and hotels across this great land of ours were properly receiving their satellite downloads of streaming pornography. I pray that decreasing amounts of energy will make a lot of this “labor” go away.
    But what to replace it with? And what about all of the empty office space?
    To me, those questions are not as difficult to answer as they appear. But only because over time, I have forced myself to try to imagine a different future. Now comes the really difficult task of getting Americans in general to imagine a different future. And that simply cannot be done with dishonest people in our government.
    The population problem is particularly thorny, but no matter. We are running out of time. The religious and family privacy issues are probably going to have to be forced. The survival of the specie depends on it. The backlash may very well thwart these efforts, but I don’t see any other way. Sometime soon, an attempt will be made and will be interpreted as grotesque government intervention.

  107. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Yes the Potlatch – it was a competition to show how generous (and therefore rich) rich Indians were. Rich Whites do the same: compete with each other to show how PC they are by betraying their fellow Whites by helping minorities and only minorites typically.
    You don’t get points for helping poor Whites.

  108. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    Almost Kitaro, almost. The Plutocrats used the mercantile middle class to destroy the Aristocrats in Western Europe and the Underclass to destroy them in Russia and China. Now they are coming for the middle class using the Underclass and Minorites.
    Communism is and always their tool. You know that right? I mean when only the Super Rich and the poor are left, who do you think will rule, the poor?

  109. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    “You don’t get points for helping poor Whites.”
    Well, you damn sure don’t. You and Auntie.
    Like talkin’ to yourself in a mirror, huh.

  110. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

    Dale is the idiot who thinks Tibetans have the right to their own Country but not Whites. A very special asshole indeed.

  111. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    G-narly and sonically rockin’. I shall reciprocate with relevant hole-diggin’ music.

  112. mistified October 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    “The next phase is the end of the “divine right” of capital…”
    Riiight, dicklips. Capital has a “divine right”. On your planet Pluto, possibly. You know, where the “plutocrats” live and thrive?
    Capital is a tool (sort of like you). It can be used for good or for ill. (You know…like a hammer.)
    Now shut the fuck up. You sound like a moronic sophomore, sitting at the back of Comrade Obama’s class. (And quit trying to hide by sticking your head up your ass, fucking idiot.)

  113. mistified October 8, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    “He also knows that he is simply at the top of the heap of useful idiots…”
    No, he does not. He is that idiotic.

  114. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

    You’re a dodo. No,,,a Neanderthal. Yeah, but they’re already gone. I’ve got it! A Polar Bear.
    A furry, white, violent animal that is about to become extinct.
    As a development of human communication, the Internet has now become so important, that even with dwindling energy supplies, I believe that every effort will be made to keep it alive for as long as possible. Eventually, spontaneous international communication like this will make countries obsolete.

  115. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    “Neither candidate would touch that
    with a ten foot DOLE.”
    HAR! Good one!

  116. beantown bill October 8, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    “Now comes the really difficult task of getting Americans in general to imagine a different future. And that simply cannot be done with dishonest people in our government.”
    After following politics for over 40 years, I have pretty much given up on the American public ever imagining a different future. I know that’s so 60’s-ish of me. But all this shit has been going on for a very long time.
    “To me, those questions are not as difficult to answer as they appear. But only because over time, I have forced myself to try to imagine a different future.”
    I’d be interested to see what kind of different future you’re talking about. I have my own imaginings, but they’re kind of science fictional seeming, and not too many people appear to be interested.

  117. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    I watched a documentary recently about reclaiming the public commons. There was a section about the largely public funding of the polio vaccine. It must have been the “March of Dimes”. Later, the documentary showed a brief segment of the television interview of Jonas Salk by Ed Murrow. Murrow asked Salk who owned the patent. Salk replied that there was no patent and would you try to patent the sun. This was contrasted with what happened with the early AIDS outbreak in Africa and how the South African government, in an attempt to save lives, began producing generic copies of AZT. They were taken to court and lost the case.
    That is how much our morality changed in thirty years. While the public has had it’s self-reliance replaced by corporate sponsorship and sale of it’s natural resources and manufacturing capabilities, is it any wonder why so many count on government entitlements?
    My vision of the future involves more public participation in the development of technology without the private ownership.
    It also is much smaller. Smaller population, smaller farms, smaller (if any) militaries, etc.
    Whatever technologies we develop, they will have to be developed with sustainability in mind. They will also have to be developed in a way that does not destroy nature.
    I see lots of manual processes and dirty people.

  118. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    I recall reading somewhere that there are U.S. property law court cases that say, in effect, that: “If you own the Hole, then you have an undivided right to the entire Hole.”
    These cases concern the issue of whether a person has a right to occupy the entire extensive underground cave when the opening of the cave is on the bloke’s property even though the underground portion of the cave crosses the boundaries of land owned by other persons?
    Does this mean that I have a right to buy a small piece of land and then burrow under my neighbors, or, better yet, gopher under the White House?

  119. Liquid Lennny October 8, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    While I was at the bottom of this hole I was diggin’ today a co-worker sent me a link to the latest Romney-Ryan campaign ad and I have to say it made my day.
    So to return the favor I thought I’d share with the entire CF’d Nation.
    So here you are and you don’t want to miss it. I just wish the Obamator had such a creative marketing department.

  120. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:18 pm #


  121. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    What happens when a Muslim person “goes Whole Hog”?
    What happens when a Jewish person “goes Whole Hog”?

  122. Monkeyboy October 8, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    Thank you for the thoughtful and insightful comment.
    Funny how a sentence of truth is worth more than seasons of rhetoric.
    Here in the steerage compartments of our sinking vessel it is starting to look more and more like a police state.
    I can’t drive three miles without seeing at least two people pulled over and searched.
    And the thing that worries me is that Lil’ Kim Jong Un and Ill prove you don’t need much gas to run an effective police state.
    I hope it’s just because they are so small…. But all the cameras and walls tell me the noose is closing.

  123. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Does anyone know if it’s possible to renovate an abandoned mine shaft?
    Can one live off of mushrooms farmed in an underground mine shaft by a race of drunken, in-bred, barefoot, redneck women wearing burlap sack dresses?

  124. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Bacon for days.

  125. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    The Sultan of Dubai went “Whole Hog”.
    King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia went “Whole Hog”.

  126. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    Did you know that in the White House different rooms are decorated in different colors? For example, there’s a red room, a green room, and (I heard) a dungeon in the basement called “The Black Room.”
    Can’t we get a new interior decorator?

  127. Grouchy Old Girl October 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    I see the regulars are quite cranky this week, and the fools and hate-mongers came out early. Had hoped for some intelligent discussion about the Debate last week, but there is little to be found here.
    I keep hearing that Obama may just have been jet lagged and suffering from the thin air in Denver, making him a bit slow and groggy for the debate. He was hardly inspiring, but not a flop either, in my opinion.
    On the other hand, Romney’s smug perpetual smirk and clear attitude of entitlement made my stomach turn. I wished somebody had thrown a pie all over his face. We had a guy here in Canada doing that to our former Prime Minister and it was quite exhilirating for everyone.
    Enjoy your election people, and try to be polite to each other, ok?

  128. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:33 pm #


  129. Shakazulu October 8, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    “Anything goes and nothing matters.”
    Times have changed,
    And we’ve often rewound the clock,
    Since the Puritans got a shock,
    When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
    If today,
    Any shock they should try to stem,
    ‘Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
    Plymouth Rock would land on them.

  130. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    Have you ever noticed that modern-day Americans love to dig holes? Hole-Diggers…..

  131. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

    “Can’t we get a new interior decorator?”
    Are you one of Barrack Obama’s daughters?

  132. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    You’re certainly doing an admirable job.

  133. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    A nation of gophers….Gopher Nation….

  134. myrtlemay October 8, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    The next shoe to drop during this lovely melodrama we are busily watching, munching our cheese doodles and popcorn, is the student loan bubble. How long will it take for these poor kids to realize they can’t possibly repay their high dollar student loans what with the meager wages jobs now offer?
    I know first hand of this because I have an upstairs neighbor who’s young (30, I think). She’s finishing up her degree this December, can’t find a job, and has enlisted in the armed services, because that move will help pay off her loan and give her 3 hots and a cot.
    Your take on events shows real wisdom. I hope you and others like you stick around and post a bit more. It’s getting pretty dreary around here, intellectually, if you know what I’m sayin.

  135. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    The medication is wearing off, isn’t it?

  136. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    I heard that somewhere in a rich, opal-mining region in Australia, the people use huge mining machines to create caves that the people live in. Apparently, there’s a loop hole in the law which says that one doesn’t need a mining license if one is making a cave to live in. So the people live in caves and keep adding rooms to their “homes”.

  137. Shakazulu October 8, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    “My daughter had to watch the “debate” for middle-school Social Studies.”
    My guess is that the ensuing discussion in Social Studies (they still have that class?) bordered on genius. Unless the democratic liberal teacher aired her bias, and then it was another indoctrination class for the New World Order.

  138. Liquid Lennny October 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    This ol’ fool simply has no time at the moment to engage in a full fledged discussion, only a brief comment or two at best.
    If in the process someone out there finds some humor in those comments, well, that’s a good thing.
    It might take the edge off our dire predicament.
    Why so grouchy, ol gal?
    I’ll take your comment off the air…bye.

  139. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    [American bloke walks into an American bank.]
    “I’d like to apply for a loan.”
    Bank Manager: “What for?”
    “I want to dig a big hole.”
    Bank Manager: “What collateral will you give the bank as security?”
    “I’ll give you a mortgage over my hole, a lien over my other hole, and I’ll pledge my shares in a big hole that I own.”

  140. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    My guess is that you had to be there.

  141. myrtlemay October 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    I have to agree on this point, Grouchy. I was talking with my eldest brother on the phone last night during the Patriots game (long time favorites of mine, btw). Anyway, I mentioned to him that I thought Obama seemed preoccupied with his tie clip during the entire “debate”. Big brother told me, in essence, that Romney was treating Obama as a “whipping boy” for all of the mayhem that was caused PRIOR to him getting into office.
    Me? I’m not so sure. My brother is well into his nineties, but sharp a a freaking tack. IMO, Obama is no more a patsy than any of the others, willing to go down on whomever stuffs the cash down his g-string.
    Lastly, I agree with both you and my brother: Romney came off as insincere, smug, and elitist. Something about showing one’s own true colors, bears to mind- sort of a cracked, vinyl slip cover over a faded, but semi-sophisticated, classic davenport

  142. Kitaj October 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    No spermface, superwealth THINKS it has a divine right to rule as they see fit, to be feudal lords protected by privi-lege – “private law” such as the bankster crime syndicates having their gambling losses covered by their own in government, as they destroy the lives of millions.
    Yes, they think that super-wealth is a sign that they are favored by “God” and therefore have the right to rule and control everyone else. They think they have the right to get filthy rich through their military-industrial complex no matter how many people they kill through their wars. This is what true progressives oppose.
    Now, stop trying to hide by sticking your head up Blankfein’s ass.

  143. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    The Vatican would call that a Holy Loan.
    In America we call it Stupid Bank Manager.

  144. Mike Moskos October 8, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    I have to reply to empirestatebuilding’s “I can’t believe Romney actually had the balls in the debate to say that he would make America energy independent.”
    I used to think all this “energy independence” malarky spewing out of politicians’ mouths was simply picking up the rosy predictions of some studies and regurgitating it for eager ears, but I’ve lately come to the conclusion that it is rather their occasional, unintentional way of letting the truth spill out.
    Of course, we will be “energy independent” but not the way the average Fux viewer imagines it to be: as oil becomes ever scarcer and prices rise, 3 things will happen. 1. Every source of oil will be used, esp. all those long closed oil wells “exhausted” 50 years ago, 2. there will be so much demand destruction at those prices, we’ll easily be able to live on what we can produce and 3. what company in its right mind would accept Federal Reserve Notes in payment after Uncle Ben has destroyed the value of them? Voila: energy independence.
    The only possible way America in the future won’t look like Cuba today is some incredible biomicry discovery, i.e., algae that directly makes diesel using CO2 as its principle input (it is in the testing phases).
    And by the way, what’s with these politicians: I want to go to Cuba to see what life will be like and these crummy politicians who live around me here in Miami have passed laws that won’t allow me, a native-born citizen to go, but do allow only those Cubans we let in to go back to visit family. How is it possible that a naturalized citizen/resident alien can be more free than a native born one?
    I’ll vote for the human who promises to eliminate laws, not create them. Freedom is what creates prosperity and this country is suffocating in laws.

  145. Kitaj October 8, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Now they (the plutocrats who rule and have destroyed this country)are coming for the middle class using fascism and a full-blown Police State to do it as they infiltrate the armed forces with neo-Nazis and fundamentalist christians – who are often identical, who will gladly do their bidding.
    There, fixed it for you.

  146. myrtlemay October 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    “I’ll vote for the human who promises to eliminate laws, not create them. Freedom is what creates prosperity and this country is suffocating in laws”
    Maybe. But it seems to me you have to ask yourself who it is who’s creating all of these laws in the first place. And who stands to gain by their passage? One only need to look to the recently nominated Supreme Court justices and that court’s atrocious decisions favoring corporations as “people” to understand that the game is truly rigged.
    On the other hand, laws that were passed to eliminate discrimination against minorities and women helped build this country. It created opportunities for gals like me. Laws, when passed by the people WHO ELECT their representatives can be truly effective. What needs to change, but most likely won’t, is that the elected representatives, the President on down, pay allegiance to the real CONSTITUENTS, and not a distant concern, or crown, as it were. And the name of that distant crown is…ISRAEL.

  147. sevenmmm October 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    You used “that word” like a sore-looking over-ripe purple-oozing zit that needs to be popped. I can imagine that romney zit puss eating the economy like acid rain eating Washinton’s monuments.
    I officially announce I will not wish anyone luck anymore to save it for myself.

  148. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    We didn’t discover America, we conquered it for Whites. Indians are not the first Americans. America became America when we named it thus and claimed for ourselves.

  149. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    [Act I, Scene I: Middle-aged American bloke hears the door bell ring. He goes to the door, looks through the peep hole and sees 2 aggressive, pimply-faced, horny, teenaged Morman missionaries on his door step.]

  150. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    [Act I, Scene I: Middle-aged American bloke hears the door bell ring. He goes to the door, looks through the peep hole and sees 2 aggressive, pimply-faced, horny, teenaged Morman missionary kids on his door step.]

  151. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    So who financed Communism? Or do you believe peasants and “workers’ armed with pitchforks and hammers overthrew a dozen nations?

  152. DeeJones October 8, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    Ah, the same ‘ol same ‘ol….
    My take is that Obama really don’t care to win, he’d just like to get his ass back the Chicago.
    But, he is beholden to TPTB that have raised all those hundreds of millions for his campaign.
    Might as well just fake an appearance.
    If he wins, he’ll probably be pissed.
    Look what happened last time, Bush ran the US economy right into an iceberg, Obama gets the blame. How’d you like that?
    I bet he’s got his fingers xx that he loses and Mittens gets to shovel the shit the next 4.
    Of course, Mittens will probably double down and make things a whole lot worse: War in Iran, war with China, war war war….
    Glad I’m outta that asylum you all are still ‘living’ in. Don’t forget to take your meds:
    Some side effects may be homicidal and suicidal feelings, along with explosive diarrhea and Touretts syndrome.
    Have fun losers….
    Dee 😉

  153. Radu Voda October 8, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    Taki it easy Big Bitch.

  154. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

    “But it seems to me you have to ask yourself who it is who’s creating all of these laws in the first place.”
    How about the American Legislative Exchange Council.

  155. roundy October 8, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Today’s column got closer to the full frontal nudity of what has allowed the state of affairs viz. psychology. “…it is our way of life.” and “Anything goes and nothing matters.” There’s your start to understanding what’s happened and is happening globally per Kunstler’s observations. The human condition in terms of the evil, greed and lust generally, when unchecked can wreak much havoc. History proves that cilization is a thin veneer that from time to time rubs away. Kunstler’s writings based on observations of the world around him, e.g. ‘adults wearing baby clothes’ corruption, and misplaced allocation of resources might sound simplified. But largely, if you live long enough, you can see the subtle and not so subtle, changes, the good and bad, in the populace. There’s not much hope for any real change. The immature, warped and outright pathological nature of many out there doesn’t hold promise. Morals aside, the everyday functioning in America broke down about a few decades ago, meaning the fraud and corruption that used to be restricted in large part to certain types of folk and areas of life is now run through the general population and activities. Scamming, lying, grifting, stealing, cheating, embezzling, shortchanging is endemic, from the plumber to the cell phone company. Read the papers. Ever wonder why people in the thousands, who might have true ethics and morals, who work for those megabanks charged with laundering drug money, cheating customers, commiting fraud, never resign? Where do you read that people who work for such firms resigned out of principle because they don’t want to be party to crime and criminals? You don’t, because they don’t resign. The country is what it is because of the people who are in it. Try this line from Oliver Stone’s ‘Nixon’: “When they look at you (i.e.JFK), they see what they want to be. When they look at me (i.e. Nixon), they see what they are.” Americans, by the numbers involved and degree of ‘white collar’ crimes committed, are pleased as punch to be who and what they’ve become. As to ‘Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream things that never happened and ask why not?” Americans stopped asking why long ago and soundly went to sleep. Psychology, Kunstler got closer today.
    This piece also comes close to the problem: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-08/guest-post-decline-decay-denial-delusion-and-despair

  156. rippedthunder October 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    This comment section has totally gone to shit way faster then normal this Monday. Was it the NFL, The Nascar crash, or something in the water? You folks are whacked!!!Grow some gottdamed potatos for chrissake!Learn first-aid! Buy a gun and learn to shoot! Better yet learn how to raise a pig. NOOOOO lets repeat all the old religious and ethnic bullshit! That will solve all our problems! Me, I am soldering solar cells together in my barn. Call me a fool.

  157. myrtlemay October 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Okay, you’re a fool.

  158. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 9:07 pm #

    Hi, Dee.
    I have the same feeling you do. If Obama loses, he wins. He can go back to private life having made his mark on US history. Romney will then have the headache of managing in a time of peak oil.
    In other words, if Obama wins, OK, if Obama loses, OK.
    Pura vida.

  159. rippedthunder October 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    MM, I will ignore that comment. No potatos for you, :0) Unless you take out the falsies and proceed with a , oh never mind!

  160. rippedthunder October 8, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    Oh MM , as an after thought if you want new shoes I will have to charge you double for the blacksmithing!The price of iron is way up!

  161. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    In other words, if Obama wins, OK, if Obama loses, OK. We will both be observing from outside the USA, enjoying la pura vida.

  162. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    In other words, if Obama wins, OK, if Obama loses, OK. We will both be observing from outside the fascist war mongering military dictatorship that is the USA, enjoying la pura vida from Latin climes. My hammock is well used.

  163. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Cant we all just get along?
    RIP Rodney King.

  164. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 9:49 pm #

    Too weird. I was helping my nephew soldering his solar cells together yesterday. He’s a go-getter (uh…do I have to be one too?). As I was soldering, I had a premonition of today’s blog offerings. A very uneasy feeling. You’re right. Today was like The Quickening. My theory is that the closer we get to the election, the more of a foaming-at-the-mouth, racist, wankatorium this blog becomes. What’s the frequency, Kenneth?

  165. swmnguy October 8, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Staying down in steerage is a bad idea. If one can’t buy the First Class compartment (with complementary lifeboat), then at least one should spend most of one’s time on the main deck promenade, with an eye on the davits…

    I like to think that the signs we all see of clampdown are more along the lines of holding a fistful of sand and making the mistake of clenching a fist rather than holding loosely. I might be too optimistic, though.

  166. swmnguy October 8, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    Thank you for your kind words. You’re quite right about the student loan bubble being next to go. I don’t know what it will be after that, but it doesn’t really matter to the finance parasites.

    It has to be something people want but can’t afford to pay cash for, so they’ll take out a loan to get it. It’s the debt that’s actually the valuable asset in this perverted joke of an economy. Since debt is abstract, infinite amounts of it can be created and sold at profit.

    It’s even better if it’s a thing that can’t be repossessed. The banks don’t want all these houses. That’s why the created all the bond-market-looting derivatives and sold them, and yet delay foreclosing until absolutely forced. The real stuff is hard to manage. The abstract stuff is infinitely profitable, as a factor of cost of ownership. Dividing by zero, you know.

    So since the government has chipped in by making student loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy, they’re now the perfect asset for the parasites. Nothing to repossess; the debt can never go away; and it’s all backed by federal guarantees.

    Health care debt might not be next, but it’s on the list, no doubt. As energy costs rise, utility bill financing plans might come to the fore? Once you start thinking like the scammers, the world around us looks a little different, doesn’t it.

  167. insufferable October 8, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    Does anyone remember the 1970’s recession? I had just graduated college and couldn’t find a teaching job for six years. I filled in the years by working as a secretary on wall street and then uptown for universal. I learned a lot about those industries and had a great time. Because the government changed the laws in education (under Carter) many jobs opened up in special education. Thirty years into my career (which I loved) I was excesses due to budget cuts in special ed. I think the government knows exactly what its doing. The demographics of the baby boom generation is such that jobs had to be created or this country would have gone downhill. Now the boomers are being pushed into retirement. Times up. In 30 more years they (boomers) will be dead and buried and this country will be downsized and running fine. Its all part of the plan. Both candidates know this. So they are just playing the waiting game..,..and the beat goes on.

  168. I_son_of_D October 8, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    Obama’s Performance
    When I was a boy, boxers would lose to order. Perhaps we should ask of Obama, “Why here? Why now?”
    Perhaps because Obama’s lead was too large, and TPTB did not want too many voters leaving the Two Party System. Better to narrow the lead, threaten the citizens with Romney, keep them voting for Obama, and just coincidentally, the TPS. Or so the thinking may have been.
    To test this hypothesis, look for Obama to thrash Romney when the polls show a closer race. If not, discard the hypothesis.

  169. swmnguy October 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    Ah, you caught me acting my age. It isn’t “Social Studies” any more. It is “US Studies,” which kind of impressed me for a 7th grade public school class.

    The curriculum is no more nonsense than it was when I had that class nearly 40 years ago, but it’s not a whole lot less nonsense, either.

    As for democratic liberal bias and indoctrination for the New World Order, I’m not sure. Those aren’t the terms that readily apply to life in the lower ranges of society in our urban area. I can see how they apply, but I have a lot of social, cultural, and economic advantages which give me the luxury of looking at things that way when I so choose. If all I had time to do is to hustle enough to keep body and soul together for myself and my kids, I wouldn’t have the luxury to care about that way of looking at things.

    Anyway, my daughter thought both Romney and Obama were completely full of shit. She wasn’t sure why, but heck; she’s only 12. Something tells me her classmates; the Somali, Mexican, poor white, and poor black kids, and the other two middle-class white kids; they probably all knew it wouldn’t make one bit of never-mind to them who wins in November. Why they knew that is a good topic for speculation.

  170. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    As a farmer, you may someday need a black hoe.

  171. JohnSmart October 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    Oh please…What we saw in the debate was the real Obama- disconnected, arrogant, smug. He got spanked by a guy who had the temerity to actually make an effort on TV. Yes, it’s all a pathetic game. But we are getting what we deserve. An old school capitalist versus a reality TV phony.
    The only thing that REALLY happened in the debate was the destruction of the Obama facade…finally. The man is a fraud. Always has been. This is not news to anyone who applied intelligence in 2008. Who knows who will win. I really don’t care as it doesn’t matter much. But it is a treat to see the Obama Pod People freak out because their savior got exposed. In fact, it’s delighted me for days now. They just keeping getting stupider. And in public no less…

  172. Pucker October 8, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    Happy Columbus Day!
    Since Columbus Day is a federal holiday I assume that the staff at the Bureau of Indian Affairs offices on the U.S. Indian reservations will be getting the day off to celebrate?
    The logo of the Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs is a buffalo…..

  173. beantown bill October 8, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    I don’t blame anyone for wanting to escape from the madhouse formerly known as the US, but don’t get too smug about being elsewhere now.
    We are a global civilization and whatever disasters strike the most technologically advanced countries will demolish the rest of the world, too. There will be no escaping it. Home is where the heart is; happiness is geographically independent.

  174. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    So the “Messiah” got his comeuppance? Then all those conservatives were lying in calling Obama the messiah.
    He won the debate on substance. Romney adopted liberal stances, completely misleading and distorting his own positions, the ones he has been exposing for the last twelve months.
    In the Etch-a-Sketch reset process Romney told 27 lies in 38 minutes in a manic fashion, including talking over the moderator in a bullying fashion, showing himself for the bully he is.
    Obama did not “lose” the debate; he allowed Romney to expose himself in front of 70 million people.

  175. xhalor October 8, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Ok William. Time to share. What’s your vision of the future?

  176. anti soak October 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    Shall some here put aside the petty squabbles and look at this?
    Paul Joseph Watson (Infowars.com) reported that;
    The United States Congress has passed a bill which mandates the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to prepare for “mass fatality planning” and funeral homes, cemeteries and mortuaries being “overwhelmed” in the aftermath of a mass terror attack, natural disaster or other crisis.
    The bill, H. R. 6566 or the Mass Fatality Planning and Religious Considerations Act, was posted on the govtrack.us website this morning having been approved by the House on September 28

  177. beantown bill October 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    To wish to be president one must be an egotistical maniac. I don’t believe someone of that caliber would ever want to leave the office, so I think Obama didn’t throw the debate. He either isn’t great at debating or he just had an off-day. Even the best of us don’t always have peak performance days. I’d look for Obama to rebound in the second debate, if he has the ability.

  178. asoka.. October 8, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    Here is the future of all of us within 100 years:
    Apparently there is no way around it.

  179. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Polar Bear – good. That’s one of the names Blacks give to the knock out game – Polar Bear Hunting. Good to know that you are n’synch with your fellow travelers.
    So lessee if I got this straight: people are going to reclaim their power and nations are going to dissolve into a Global Civilization. You are utterly confused. If people take back their power, contless new nations will come into existence from oppressed peoples such as Basques, Kurds, and of course Whites all over the Western World. America itself could birth several White Nations.
    I intend to make sure you don’t get into any of them.

  180. beantown bill October 9, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    I see two possibilities. The bad one is that our immaturity as a species destroys our present civilization, and maybe ourselves. If we don’t die out, we regress into a new dark age where survival takes all our energy. Life is brutal, violent and short, a la “The Road”. It is unlikely I would survive such a world for long.
    The other possibility, the good one, is that we pull ourselves from the brink and advance our civilization. That we have had nuclear weapons for sixty-seven years with no major world wars could be construed a positive sign we aren’t mad enough to destroy ourselves.
    The longer our society lasts, the better the chance we’ll be able to resolve our major civilizational issues. Just as destruction can come overnight, so can our awakening.
    I see a future where we utilize the energy and resources present in the universe. We get all our energy needs met from the sun’s radiation and by fusing hydrogen atoms together. I see great advances in molecular machinery that allow us to live very much longer and provide everything we want and need.
    I know this is utopian and wishful thinking. But it’s only pie-in-the-sky if we don’t mature as a society; otherwise it’s inevitable.
    To grow up, we need to have a global sense of perspective. We need to see ourselves as inhabitants of a fragile planet, whose eco-systems could collapse for any number of reasons. We need to learn to live and let live. We need to re-evaluate everything that we now find desirable and see if they are worthy of us.
    I always say I ain’t no fool. I realize it is iffy that we do these things. I say to myself, why can’t people see what is obvious to me? It gets pretty frustrating. So I have 2 visions of the future and I don’t really know which one will prevail.

  181. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    The other reason that you are a Polar Bear is that they have poor eyesight. For that reason we don’t expect you to be any kind of a visionary.

  182. beantown bill October 9, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    I see this as a response by the PTB to the growing realization that their power will soon be threatened.

  183. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 12:14 am #

    H.R. 6566. I looked it up and found out that it was introduced by Laura Richardson from California’s 37th District. Wow. It is in one the worst parts of Los Angeles. Here’s the district map:
    Could it be that she has already been briefed about a spectacular financial collapse and is insisting that some kind of arrangements be made in advance for body disposal?

  184. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    Stephen Hawking says pretty much the same thing. If we can get through the next two hundred years without a world-wide disaster, our technology will be able to do some pretty amazing things.

  185. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 12:28 am #

    Damn. I just changed my plans. BACK TO HOOSIERVILLE!

  186. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    Beantown, the United States has been using nuclear weapons in active war theatres (Gulf War, Bosnia, Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation New Dawn (OND), etc. for the last 22 years in the form of DU40.
    DU has 40 percent less radioactivity, but the same chemical toxicity as natural uranium. DU40 comes from the process of enriching uranium from natural uranium (used in nuclear reactors and atomic weapons) and leaves “depleted” uranium that is radioactive and is toxic, so I consider radioactive, toxic DU40 to be nuclear weaponry.

  187. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    “I intend to make sure you don’t get into any of them.”
    So…are you like fuckin’ retarded or what?

  188. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 12:50 am #

    insisting that some kind of arrangements be made in advance for body disposal
    LOL! There will be millions of bodies as a result of the collapse (if a collapse ever happens) and there will be no “arrangements” for body disposal. There will be no space for burials. There will be no fossil fuels left for cremation. There will be millions of corpses rotting everywhere fomenting plague that will kill millions more.
    Get with the program, xhalor. Are you serious about collapse or not?
    You need to listen to XXX5! The USA is in the dumper! In a great Depression! The middle class has disappeared! Credit has run out. Everyone is in debt. The highways are empty because people cannot drive their cars. The big box store parking lots are empty because no one has money or credit. The grocery store shelves are empty because the truckers have no fuel and the distribution network has shut down. No one has housing because all the houses have been taken back by the 1% through foreclosures. Without food, housing, or transportation, the corpses are piling up in the streets. There is no fuel for sanitation vehicles or public health workers to do clean up. There isn’t enough room in the cemeteries anyway for hundreds of millions of corpses and diseases like the plague are rapidly killing those who are still alive, so no one will be left to care for the dead, or eat the dead, or pray over the dead. It is all darkness and gloom in the land, contrary to what cornucopians like Asoka say. Anyone can look out their window and see that all life has died, all traffic has stopped, and there is nothing but a bleak and desolate landscape devoid of humanity. That is collapse. Ain’t happened yet. Probably won’t. But when you can look out your window and see the corpses littering the landscape, then you know collapse has happened.
    Have fun in Hoosierland. Be nice to your family because you don’t seem to have anyone else to fall back on.

  189. beantown bill October 9, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    True. But I’m talking about nuclear WMDs, like a thermonuclear bomb.

  190. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Do you include dirty bombs in your definition of WMDs? Dirty bombs are radiological weapons containing radioactive material, like DU munitions.

  191. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    “But when you can look out your window and see the corpses littering the landscape, then you know collapse has happened.”
    So do you think that the Syrians believe that collapse has happened?

  192. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 1:27 am #

    Syria is only seeing corpses in the hundreds, not thousands, not millions. Syria has a population of about 22 million, and only a tiny percentage have been turned into corpses (opposition activists have put the toll at about 22,000 or one tenth of one percent). In large parts of Syria you don’t see any corpses. Syria is a wonderful country–both in terms of its people and its civilization.
    Collapse has not happened in Syria. When it gets to “millions of corpses” … not thousands, then collapse will have happened.

  193. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 1:27 am #

    MASS Destruction. Dirty bombs do not create MASS Destruction. Don’t really know what they are do you?
    Quick! Wake up the Wiki Geek!

  194. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    Syria is only seeing corpses in the thousands, not millions.

  195. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    Yeah, but that’s not really what I asked you, is it?
    Do you know any Syrians? Been there lately?
    Or is this just the usual talking out of the side of your neck?

  196. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    Well, since non-state actors are the ones with dirty bombs, and since their goal is terrorism (to create panic), I would say a dirty bomb is a WMD (weapon of mass disruption).

  197. anti soak October 9, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    MUDD MIKE, you still alive???

  198. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 1:40 am #

    The Romney foreign policy speech sounded a lot like Bush. If you read the speech it sounds like Obama.
    Romney’s address in Virginia offered a dramatic change of tone in USA policies but only minute variations on substance.

  199. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 1:43 am #

    Is this your Tag Team partner?
    Help me Cecil, Help me!
    I’m comin’ Beanie Boy…
    Yer crackin’ me up

  200. xhalor October 9, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    A “writer” huh. The article doesn’t even give a name.
    It says “* Digest compiled by The Translation Desk”
    Well, I’m a “writer” and I’m arguing too. What is your trip?

  201. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 2:38 am #

    Anybody who would call themselves Rocky…

  202. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 3:09 am #

    But they have goon noses. They can small deceit. And you don’t need a weather person to know which way the shit is falling.

  203. Widespreadpanic7 October 9, 2012 at 7:00 am #

    Hey Oz ‘Columbus Day’ at its inception was strictly political, a sop to the Italian immigrant population which had grown so large by 1920 they had to recognized and placated. Throw the 400th anniversary in 1892 of Columbus’s voyages into the mix as well. For me, in 2011, I enjoy it as a day off from work, and a chance to enjoy one golden, shimmering day of Indian Summer. (not this year, tho)

  204. mm606 October 9, 2012 at 8:24 am #

    Have you ever noticed how Kunstler always uses “remorseless” when he really means “relentless”?

  205. Pucker October 9, 2012 at 9:09 am #

    15 million years ago, the dominant animal on Earth was a giant chicken:

  206. ozone October 9, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    Thanks, RL,
    Pretty kewl that you’ve had the opportunity to experience, firsthand, what it’ like to live in a Reynolds Earthship.
    I might have incorporated some of these design elements myself, had I known of them at the time of construction. (The south-facing orientation of the “long” elevation of the house, banks of windows and large overhangs, along with 2×6 exterior walls, were simply common sense, although “non-traditional” in an area of cookie-cutter fake colonials.)
    What I’m thinking of now, is a tire and rammed-earth root cellar, ensconced in a mound for consistency in temperature and humidity. More research!
    Reynolds’ books and links to his work are readily accessible on da web, but any experiential insights would be most welcome! Thanks.

  207. ozone October 9, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Hmmm, very cagey of them politicos!
    Were they afraid of that demographic all bowing to the Cosa Nostra and out-muscling the WASP’s for the preferred rackets?
    Y’all are no mo’ eye-talians; y’all are ‘Murkins now!

  208. Zizzy October 9, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    “If taxes remain high on employers, but there is sufficient demand to be met by hiring another worker, one hires the worker and adds the tax to the cost of goods and services sold.”
    No, companies offshore

  209. ozone October 9, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    More germane insights from yourself and that swimmin’ guy. It’s nice to see that some are using their heads for more than a convenient place to hang their hats.

  210. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    Go home to Indiana. Be nice to your relatives.
    Mitakuye Oyasin

  211. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Mitakuye Oyasin
    (that includes Iranian Persians and radical Muslims)

  212. Chainsaw October 9, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Jim, I’m usually with you about 99 percent of the time. Although I have to take exception to your throwaway remark this week about “gamed disability payments.”
    As someone who has represented disabled persons within the absurdly stacked public disability system, I can tell you that it’s damn hard to “game” the system. Rather, the Government spends many millions annually on an enormous and bloated network of local and regional offices, admin staff, attorneys, and very well-paid Administrative Law Judges to ensure that even the most deserving must endure months or years of probing, questioning, and prodding before obtaining the sub-poverty pittance provided to the completely and permanently disabled in the U.S.
    And even if you do manage to “game” the public disability system, is it really worth it all just so you can live high on the hog … on the average $1,111 monthly payment provided by Social Security Disability Insurance? See (SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot, August 2012).
    Rather than adding to the ugly ‘us versus them’ mentality of the times, I’d argue that the travesty we call public disability insurance be seen for what it really is … Merely as a small part of the seamless web of inhumanity and degradation that Americans increasingly face at the hands of those in positions of power and wealth.

  213. ozone October 9, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    Day-um, if I’d have known that Romney was bringing this strategy to the debates, I might have watched!
    Also, check out the “voter’s guide” videos on the right so that you no longer will have to bear the shame of being one of the undecided. (That’s a bad thing, as the former decider-er in chief would tell you.)

  214. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    PAUL RYAN: “as a conservative, I’ve long believed and long felt that there’s an inherent media bias. And I think anybody with objectivity would believe that that’s the case.”
    Right, which is why MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc. all came down on President Obama for a passion-less debate, because all the media are so “biased.”
    Name one “liberal” media source that defended Obama. All the media told it like it was.
    Republican complaints about “media bias” are just as bogus as their strategy-free foreign policy (increase government spending on the military) and their math-challenged domestic policy (don’t raise revenues to pay for government).

  215. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    My head might only be useful as a place to hang my Georgia Organics hat today, but this week’s post has a bit of hopeful insight into the silver lining of energy descent. And some talk about damn good food that just doesn’t come out of a microwave.
    Bon appetit!
    Tripp out.

  216. daytrip October 9, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    I agree that the earthship design has its plusses. I stayed in one for about a month awhile back, in the winter at about 10,000 feet altitude in Colorado. It could be 25 degrees F outside, and on a sunny day, we would open the ceiling air vent to cool the place down! At night, a small fire would be sufficient. The length of the south-facing wall was large windows. Inside that was major thermal mass, which kept the heat from the day’s sun. We had 6 old-school solar panels that ran just about everything we needed/wanted. We’d wait for a time with good sunlight to wash clothes with an eco-washing machine. Not a bad system! I guess there are all sorts of additions that people get into with these, reusing gray water, etc.

  217. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    I used to go by the handle daytripp many years ago…
    Tell me more about the eco-washing machine. So far I do not dig hand-washing clothes.

  218. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    What I’m thinking of now, is a tire and rammed-earth root cellar, ensconced in a mound for consistency in temperature and humidity. More research!
    Ozone, you might gain some tips from Mike Oehler’s experience building underground.
    His most famous book was THE $50 AND UP UNDERGROUND HOUSE BOOK. You don’t have to buy it since Massachusetts has a good public library system with interlibrary loan. The public library can get it from anywhere in the USA.
    Good luck, Ozone!

  219. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    Good advice, Asoka. Mike Oehler is a wonderful resource, discussed at some length, I believe, at the permies.com website hosted by one of his curious inquisitors, Paul Wheaton, out in Missoula, MT.
    Jean Pain is another, a French visionary who has done amazing things with waste forest biomass. We are tossing around the idea of excavating under our yurt platform, enclosing the area under the living space with some sort of skirting, and piling in 10-20 yards of wood mulch to decompose and give off heat to the house above. I’m thinking that two rounds – one for Nov/Dec, and another for Jan/Feb ought to do it in our climate. Those in New England will probably need more time, but it should radically reduce the need for constant wood fire in either situation. And the only “waste” product, besides a tiny bit of gasoline to truck it in, is black compost, to be added to the garden in spring of course.
    Maybe we’ll see how it works…

  220. daytrip October 9, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    Yeah, that’s funny. I signed up to post on here about a month ago and when I clicked in the box for the userid, my autofill on google chrome gave me the option of daytrip. I must have used it to sign up to some website, maybe to read an article or something. Anyway, I liked the handle enough to use it, and here I am.
    The washing machine was just a low-energy one that had an extra eco-cycle that used the least amount of energy possible. It seemed to work, and it was what my host always used. Maybe rv stores would carry something like it.

  221. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    The tire and rammed earth thing sounds groovy, but if you don’t mind, I’d like to offer a little experiential advice on the matter.
    Use polypropylene feedsacks instead. Fill them to any size building block you like – with gravel for the underground courses to provide a damp rise break, and subsoil as you go vertical above ground – and mortar between courses with two parallel rows of barbed wire. Holds the wall incredibly steady, and goes a lot faster than ramming earth into old tires. Beautify with a covering of earth plaster, inside and/or out, if desired. Our “thermal mass fridge” is above ground and heading for a roof now, but suffering from project overload…

  222. daytrip October 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Jean Pain, oui. I saw a clip on youtube that someone posted here. I remember mentioning it to a guy who works at the recycling center/dump locally. He told me about the decomposing chipped wood section of the dump actually catching on fire. I’d be careful. He also mentioned sticking his hand in the pile of composted wood chips and only being able to hold his hand there for a few seconds before having to pull it out, it was so hot. Maybe a compost heap with the 100 meters of tubing and the methane digester in the center and a water pump for floor heating… nice thought. I’ve seen where people used a smaller system for hot water for showers. Pretty cool, either way.

  223. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm #


  224. trippticket October 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    And thanks for the warning. I can imagine that happening with a very large and very hot pile, but maybe 10-20 yards, spread out to about 3-4 feet thick, would just be toasty? Now you got me second-guessing my evil plan…

  225. Frank October 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Found in the “Cluster” comment section:
    “Nothing can be decided here in this country at this time, it simply must collapse, because an entity based on utopian non-sense managed by an ethos of you can do no wrong is a big fail.”
    Quite possible the most profound statement made (in ANY media) of the past 10 years. Shield yourselves; we are on our way to a financial Super-Nova.

  226. daytrip October 9, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    lol you’re welcome. You could monitor it. Put a thermometer in there. It would have to get pretty hot to ignite. Who knows what else was in this heap at the dump.

  227. anti soak October 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    NSA Utah ‘Data Center’: Biggest-ever domestic spying lab?
    Mar 17, 2012
    The biggest-ever data complex, to be completed in Utah in 2013, may take … of Homeland Security and the FBI, that could make both of us terrorists. … US government agencies are growing less patient …

  228. anti soak October 9, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Jims Eyesore of the Month, this month, deserves some kind of award.
    An ‘Eyesore Pulitzer’.
    If you have not seen it, check it out.

  229. rippedthunder October 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Hi Anti, I can picture Kong and Mothra in that giant tub being scruubbed down by a thousand virgins and hand fed grapes!

  230. j0nx October 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    Oh brother you must be a REAL hit at the family reunions and work gatherings. Sheesh doomer, lighten up please.

  231. k-dog October 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    Typical merican (word courtesy of Ozone) that Big Bird. No confinement in Camp Delta for him. He knows where he gets his bird seed from.
    Romney tells Big Birdhe is going to get a pink slip and Big Bird spends the last twenty four hours foisting the belief that Romney won the debate, has moved up in the polls ten points and is out speaking forcefully with a defined foreign policy. Romney dishing out plenty’O blame for Obama making the the mid-east compost pile rot. He’s making like a high school debate champion off to the State finals.
    Big Bird for Romney.
    Castles on the sand. Don’t watch the man behind the curtain, that’s very unmerican for you to do. Greed is good and war is peace you know.
    Ironic and moronic. Republicans have been pulling NPR strings for a while now. Getting rid of Big Bird makes no damn sense of em. But either does extending rich dog tax breaks with a balance sheet in the shitter.
    Give us more tax breaks now and we will buy you a hamburger next Tuesday.
    But it is Tuesday and I want last weeks burger!
    I demand last weeks burger! I want my meat.
    Vote ✔ K-Dog, the write in candidate with a dogs love for the merican people.

  232. k-dog October 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm #


  233. rippedthunder October 9, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Utah Data Center, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center I’m not a huge wiki fan but this place seems to be fairly well documented. 65 megawatts of juice? what a waste of energy ! What the heck is a Yottabyte!. They can byte me as far as I am concerned. I feel really safe now. The place is self contained with water, power substations, and chiller plants for the Hal 9000 computers. I am glad I don’t have a cell phone although my hard-line is probably tapped also. Uh-oh back on the watch list again!

  234. rippedthunder October 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    NSA !It’s raining and I am pissed so take this link and shove it up your goddam nosy ass. gay fisters from Kazakhstan, http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1576138 sorry Borat.

  235. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    But it is Tuesday and I want last weeks burger!
    I demand last weeks burger! I want my meat.
    Be careful!
    You could end up going for a long ride, strapped to the top of a car.
    Or turned into a guard dog and sent to protect Romney’s foreign bank accounts/investments.

  236. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    The swing state polls published on Monday Oct. 8 might best be described as being OK for Mr. Obama.
    Obama led in polls of Colorado, Iowa, Pennsylvania and Virginia, and in two polls of Michigan. In all cases, Mr. Obama’s lead was small. However, this particular group of pollsters had shown reasonably unfavorable numbers for Mr. Obama in the same states before.
    Three of the polls actually moved toward Mr. Obama from the numbers that the same polling firms had published before the debates.

  237. k-dog October 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    It’s a rope-a-dope. Give Romney some swinging room and act like you are trapped on the ropes. Maybe a quick hit of Maui Waui backstage in the Presidential Limo and some Visene in the eyes to polish the buffoon act. Now it is over and the NPR lever gets pulled and promotes Romney.
    Romney gets overconfident and pushes his totally indefensible agenda. Everybody in the country gets scared shitless so you hold your own in the next debate, going in for the kill in the last.
    Between the second and third debates NPR can push some of that hope and change shit. Perfect for after the second debate breaks up the Romney storm clouds.
    A cakewalk. Michelle can tell him what that is.

  238. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    “By defining half the country as dependent on government, Romney suddenly opened up the question of who was not dependent. And a series of stories about Romney, Bain Capital, and Romney’s taxes began to make clear a revolutionary truth: that the corporations and richest Americans, such as Romney himself, were actually the most dependent, the most parasitical.
    The 47 percent began learning some startling truths about Romney and Bain, the company the Romney founded and made him rich. Bain subsidiaries, Holson, Staples, Steel Dynamics and GST Industries received millions of dollars in grants and tax exemptions from communities where they built plants and offices. To encourage Steel Dynamics to build a plant in DeKalb County Indiana, the country and the state gave $37 million to the company in subsidies, which was paid by raising taxes for DeKalb residents by .25 percent, a director transfer of wealth from the working class to the corporate elite.
    Bain executives such as Romney also owe much of their wealth to special tax laws that allow them to redefine their income as “carried interest,” on which they pay much lower rates than on normal income. Romney and other Wall Street executives are also dependent on tax shelters in paradises like the Cayman Islands, where Bain Capital has organized 138 funds.”
    — By Charles Derber and Yale Magrass, Truthout

  239. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    One thing seems obvious: a superpower military with unparalleled capabilities for one-way destruction no longer has the more basic ability to impose its will anywhere on the planet. Quite the opposite, U.S. military power has been remarkably discredited globally by the most pitiful of forces. From Pakistan to Honduras, just about anywhere it goes in the old colonial or neocolonial world, in those regions known in the contested Cold War era as the Third World, resistance of one unexpected sort or another arises and failure ensues in some often long-drawn-out and spectacular fashion. — Tom Engelhardt

  240. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    Empty pageantry? No, scary beautiful. I want all women wearing these in the office.

  241. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    New Conspiracy Theory: Obama threw the debate per order of his masters. Obama has displeased them by standing up against the war with Iran.

  242. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    Obama has displeased them by standing up against the war with Iran.
    You just shot down the puppet conspiracy theory.
    Obama stood up to them? Puppets cannot do that.

  243. Michigan Native October 9, 2012 at 7:02 pm #

    Politics is just another delusion that breeds complacency. Read up on your Dmitry Orlov and watch his interviews on youtube.
    Any economic model, be it free market, socialist, or mixed has been based on the myth of exponential growth. Without the physical resources to sustain it, it is not possible in a finite world. Everything has peaked and thus there will only be contraction from this point forward. The limits to growth have been reached
    From one of Orlov’s interviews “exponential growth results from the charging for the use of money…for setting an interest rate on money. That locks you into a mathematical function which is basically debt raised to the power of time. It outpaces every physical process short of a nuclear explosion. Collapse is baked into that equation”.
    Once the expansion of growth comes to an end and the use of natural resources peaks, the only thing that can happen in an exponentially growing economy is the taking on of debt faster faster.
    His analogy to a treadmill is effective. Imagine yourself going to the gymn and getting on the treadmill. You keep cranking up the speed until sooner or later, you get thrown back. The reason the US is doomed to collapse is “an inability to grow the economy resulting in levels of debt that have to be taken on at a completely unsustainable rate”.
    It doesn’t matter who gets elected, none of these jack asses, let alone the american public, realize or are willing to admit the joyride is over. As such, politics is a pathetic fucking joke.I would suggest you vote for the asshole you hate the most, for he will preside over an empire that collapsed on his watch.(Personally, I think the election will be rigged for Romney because he is the more trigger happy of the two for an invasion of Iran and wants to increase defense spending while cutting government spending…roughly translated, he is a cock sucker who wants to eliminate social programs and safety nets at a time when people will need them more than ever, and squander more money on a military monster which will run out of gas anyways)
    In fact, “the collapse is already here, it is just not widely distributed.” (Orlov). Look around you. Those boarded up strip malls are never coming back. The cops on steroids…I am afraid to drive into work anymore. They are out to fine, fee, tax, and otherwise steal as much money from anyone they can in every way they can in a futile and totally undignified effort to save the ship from sinking. “Chronic budget shortfalls due to an ever eroding tax base”.
    The furniture stores and other big box retailers have cars in their lots alright. Usually, the people that (for the time being) work there. A local chain had some big tent sale complete with free hot dogs and aspartame poisoned kool aid and people showed up near the end to watch the fireworks. A few may have actually got a sofa or couch with that flat screen television, but their pretending everything is alright did not result in some “blow out” sales event. Their ads sound like distant pleas in the wilderness.
    Every week, some online friend (make believe friend) or some co worker seems to get laid off. Once proud grown men reduced to living down somebody’s basement and no food. People cut off from food stamps begging for food. Another guy I knew of took an overdose of oxycontin after his once thriving restaurant failed and they came after his house. Yet another put a bullet through his head a few months after his unemployment benefits ran out. The collapse is here, you would have to have your head stuffed up your ass not to see it.
    Yet some still think that electing yet another figure head from the same mafia will make peak oil and the disaster that is unfolding go away. Guess what…..it simply isn’t going to happen.
    I think things will have to bottom out before they get better, as there is so much denial. As such, if you really want to speed up the collapse, vote Romney. He will gobble up the last reserves of oil trying to keep the war machine going and by gutting safety nets, he will speed up people’s inevitable conclusion that having minimal or no government at all is in fact a great idea

  244. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    You don’t want separate nations – so what about private homes? Do people have the right to those? Or should we be forced to quarter the homeless and illegals?

  245. Radu Voda October 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    Yes. No they can’t. Maybe there is a conflict amongst the puppet masters?

  246. orionoir October 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    jhk writes: “At times [Romney’s] sheer manic zest veered in the direction of what used to be called hebephrenia in the old clinical sense of someone euphorically out-of-touch with reality.”
    as psychiatric diagnoses go, ‘hebephrenia’ has always been one of my favorites. (i believe it’s greek for ‘childish mind’ or somesuch.)

  247. rippedthunder October 9, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Hi Tripp, our local landfill runs a fairly extensive compost operation. The guy that turns the pile ( with a big ass loader,oh well) says the temp never gets over about 60c, way below the ignition point. I go there in January (10degrees F) and the piles are steaming like heck. Very warm but not hot enough for auto-ignition. Remember this stuff is still laden with moisture. My big concern would be odor and critters. Noboby wants to live on a stack of rotting organic matter. At least I don’t, it smells like my Grampas cow barn!

  248. k-dog October 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    With Romney in the White House we can feel right at home.
    Vote Romney
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  249. k-dog October 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    I scanned your post and am going to read it word for word in a bit but I have to comment from an elevated view right now.
    It is important to understand that exponential growth based economies are not the only way to run an economy. Ever growing populations require it but there are alternatives. Steady state economies are possible, it is not all gloom and doom. It does however require that we begin to make other living arrangements.

  250. anti soak October 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

    K Dog for Non Growth Czar.
    Speaking of Czars…
    Theres something online asserting that the Obamas are costing us over a billion dollars a year.

  251. Michigan Native October 9, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    Without the physical resources needed to keep endless growth going, it is not possible. For instance, inputs from fossil fuels have allowed the planet’s carrying capacity to swell from a pre-industrial level of one billion people to some 7 billion souls present today, by using diesel powered farm machinery, fertlizers that rely on fossil fuels, irrigation and other “modern” techniques, pesticides from fossil fuels, transportation fuels to ship the food to local “super markets” in refigerated trucks, which we drive to all based on the 3 day supply disaster that will happen soon as gas prices continue to rise and the commercial collapse advances, and as JHK so eloquently points out, this spawling suburbia with all the rotting freeways and decaying infrastructure, will no longer be able to be maintained in the absence of cheap and abundant fossil fuels. It will amount to the greatest misallocation of resources in human history.
    Orlov proposes a new economy not based on exponential growth and debt expansion, but a simpler way of life based on SUSTAINABILITY, as opposed to endless growth.
    It may take time, but he makes perfect sense. Read his works, listen to his interviews, read Michael Ruppert and James Howard Kunstler, read Richard Heinberg, especially “The Party Is Over”, and the future is so clear to see.
    We could avert the disaster of deindustrialization (as well as enjoy the positive effects of less environmental destruction) if we woke up and take the medicine, even though it tastes bad. Instead, too many will succumb to the idea “I got mine, so to hell with everyone else” until they lose their goodies, then the mindset becomes “I lost mine, so I don’t want anyone else to have it either” and then after the collapse claims untold millions of lives through suicide, class/race warfare, curbside justice, etc then maybe people will wake up inthe US, but then again, we have sat back and taken it up the ass for so long, I won’t hold my breath.

  252. asoka.. October 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    ROMNEY THE MOOCHER (continued)
    “The 47 percent did not have to work hard to see that Bain Capital is hardly the only recipient of “corporate welfare.” As of March 31, 2012, the federal government has given investment bankers $4.6 trillion in TARP bailouts of which only $1.3 trillion has been paid back.
    The bailouts had become a sore point among white workers and other believers in the parasite narrative. Wall Street bailouts have opened them to the larger story of corporate welfare, something likely to become a leading story as the issue of “who is dependent” blows open.
    The money the government gives annually to corporations runs into hundreds of billions. These include tax breaks, depreciation allowances, submarket sales of land and natural resources to mining and oil companies. Energy companies receive about $78.8 billion annually in subsidies. Under the Mining Act of 1872, $230 billion dollars worth of federal land was given to mining copies from 1872 to 1993. Federal subsidies to agribusiness may have totaled $245.2 billion from 1995 to 2009.
    The 47 percent already knows that government spending brings billions in profits to defense contractors such as Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon and Boeing. In 2011, the top 100 military contractors received a total of about $117.5 billion from the Pentagon. Lockheed Martin alone received $17.4 billion, Boeing $8.4 billion, Raytheon $6.2 billion and General Dynamics $5.5 billion.
    The white workers in the 47 percent will have to ask if big military companies, like the banks, aren’t “dependents.”
    — By Charles Derber and Yale Magrass

  253. rocco October 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    This is an example which shows that America no longer has original thinkers in journalism. Our media utilizes cookie cutter reporting and Conan O’Brien pieced it together perfectly.

  254. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Do you remember when George Bush, Jr. and friends portrayed the Democrats as Cafe-Latte-Sip’n, yuppie snobs, and themselves as down-to-Earth, Good-‘Ole-Boy, worm-dig’n, Christian, cowboy ranchers? What a LOAD!
    I once read an interview with the previous Dean of the University of Washington School of Law (some Asian American bloke) who said that he went to law school at Yale with Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thompson. He insisted that Clarence Thompson as a Yale law school student used to come to class “wearing overalls and a staw hat.”
    True story…I’m not making this up….

  255. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Correction: Clarence Thomas….

  256. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    Have you ever noticed that one “Thing” (perhaps, the most important “Thing”) that they don’t teach you in school is that they’re all…drum roll… OUT OF THEIR FUCKING MINDS!

  257. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    “OK..Kiddies…Today, we’ve got a really big treat for you childish voters…. Today, you’re going to meet the REAL BIG BIRD….”

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  259. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 1:27 am #

    What do you think about this idea?
    —A People Zoo…..
    People could go to the People Zoo to watch People….

  260. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    Why are they called “People” anyway?
    Pronounced: “P…Pull…”

  261. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 1:45 am #

    [Chapter 10. Mouse suddenly acquires the ability to speak.]
    Exasperated mouse:
    “O.K….Time Out! I don’t like the way that you’ve constructed this maze! I want to make my own maze. …And my maze will consist of a single, unobstructed path to The Cheese.”

  262. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 1:45 am #

    The permies can get them well over 100 degrees. But it seems to me that the “quantity” of heat would be small unlesss the pile of garbage was very great indeed. And thus the smell… But hey Tripp is a trip and on a trip and may not mind. Maybe he’s trained himself to like it.

  263. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 1:46 am #

    Talking Mouse:
    “When I said “Cut the Cheese” that’s not what I meant….”

  264. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 2:17 am #

    Are you coming to the big Dildo Exhibition in Washington D.C. next month?
    Everyone’s going to be there….

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    We are always translating the unfamiliar into the familiar, we are always trying to explain, when the explanation is just the attempt to construct something familiar, something we can relate to, something that we can decode and understand in our language and mind and according to the repetitive patterns that we are used to but especially according to the repetitive patterns our neural circuits in our mind have created over the years, the library of repetitive patterns that then become what is reasonable, what is logical and correct but only because we already know them, we already understand them, really we already understand ourselves, our own paintings and pictures of reality, our own constructions that should always match reality. But that is the mistake: we take it for granted that our constructions are really the outside reality, are really the truth, we take ourselves as some kind of absolute observer that is the measure of all things, that has the language and logic and decodings available to explain everything and anything: but a funny thing happens, this is exactly true and is exactly what we do since whatever we see, whatever the phenomena, whatever the experimental results we get, we will always be able to interpret them in our reference systems, we will always be able to decode them no matter what, we will always create a model no matter what, since even if we only had 2 bits available to decode the world and anything, we would just map whatever we see into the only two bits we always have anyways and by doing this we will always explain it anyways, we actually explain things even before they are explained, we create the understanding and explanation even before we choose what sequence of symbols and what combination of words, elements, formulas we will use to explain something from the outset, from the beginning, even before the research is performed since everything will have to end up being positioned in our grids anyways, we can always force anything to be in any position in our grids and then exclaim that it has been explained. We think of ourselves as some kind of master independence unit from reality, as some kind of abstract absolute reference mind looking into the universe from the outside of it, as we are looking at it from outside of it, from some abstract absolute reference point just like god when in all truth we are simply always looking at ourselves, at our own mind, at are own decodings and languages and neural circuits and how they are always interacting with the flow of signals and symbols coming from the outside independent world, independent from us and our control, as everything really is based on this independence of one thing compared to another, as something not under the control of something else, etc.
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    So then, even if we had only two concepts on our mind, a hammer and a nail, we can translate and explain everything according to these two concepts anyways, the electron is the nail the forces is the hammer, everything is a hammer for a nail, everything is a nail for a hammer, everything we explain will always be familiar, or even unfamiliar, it doesn’t matter, we will always find a combination of symbols, and words and concepts that we will always find to describe and explain and predict what will happen.
    But we are simply inventing the explanations always, we are simply translating a series of inputs into something we can recognize and understand and then manipulate in our mind and find the correspondence between the manipulations in our mind and the events we are observing, we can always find a one to one correlation between a sequence of symbols and a sequence of events (translating the events, the signals, the observations into a description, a language, a mathematical formula and anything else in which we are comfortable working with in the comfort of our mind that has abstracted away reality and matter and created a simpler information set and information relationships between elements and seeing how much reality obeys our decodings) and most important of all, exactly if and when we cannot find a correlation we will simply invent one, we will design a new correlation which is the easiest thing you can do and affirm that as the new truth, as a new truth amongst an infinite number of truths since there are an infinite number of combinations of sequences you can associate with anything else, any reality, any observations and experiments and such.
    So the conclusion of all of this is that we are really always simply talking to ourselves no matter what, we simply decode any signals and external realities into our concepts and categories, so reality is simply how the Observer is designed and what concepts and deocdings and mechanisms the Observer has in his mind, and scientific research is always just the process of creating as close of a one to one correspondence between what we observer and experiments and our concepts and decoding.
    But as you can see, there is no real absolute reference system in all of this, just an observer modeling the world according to how he is designed and how the signals of the world interact with him, any other design of an observer will create completely different modelings of a world, completely different universes, a completely different reality.
    The observer and his design is the universe essentially, there really is no outside universe, it is the observer that is really the measure of all things, but the observer fools himself into thinking that his measurement is some kind of absolute measurement of reality, is in a vacuum, is outside of reality, when in all truth, the observer is the reality itself, the observer is creating his own reality always, but is always subject to the play of independent outside forces (and there are also independent inside forces) that force him to further decode and further measure that which cannot be measured at all since all events in the end are random and casual and are without any decodings until some observer decides to decode them and fix them in a library of concepts.
    One area where we clearly see that our grids and decodings and explanations will never map onto reality is in the social and economic sciences: no matter how hard we try to manipulate and predict and model the economy or social phenomena we never achieve any possible progress at all since things will always go their own way, randomly, chaotically no matter what, we will always have the same “problems” over and over again no matter what: and this is because the independence and conflicts of the actors between themselves in these systems cannot be decoded into a linear logic, into a simple coherent cause and effect mechanism since there is no cause and effects, just so many independent actors fighting each other over and over again for any reason at all, especially for no reasons at all, always changing the configuration of the social and economic systems always creating winners and losers and problems for the losers and solutions for the winners and losers want to find solutions that are not and will never be there because the only solution is to fight back and become a winner and defeat the previous winner end of story. And yet politicans, sociologists economists philosophers keep on fooling themselves and everyone that they have the correct decodings, the correct interpretations, the correct linear logic and discourse and explanations about something which is totally outside of any of this since it is not even a system, a coherent system, it is not even an entity, just millions of wild and random play of forces interacting and going nowhere at all.
    And yet all of the grand explanations seem always so scientific, everyone accepts them as a possible truth, Marx theory, or the Adam Smith theory of economies or Freud theories of psychology and on and on when these are all just simply inventions, one to one correspondences with imaginary abstract mental models that think the thing they are modeling is a coherent entity.
    And notice how the emphasis is more and more on social conflicts, lawyers, software, apps and the applications of technologies that are simply talking to themselves, computers are units that are a language system of an external mind talking to itself always, a closed system, science is going in the direction of creating ever more artificial language and social based entities and further away from interacting directly with matter in a sense: we used to play with transistors and oscilloscopes confronting ourselves with the independence of matter from us, now we play with apps which are totally social constructions, we prefer to talk to ourselves (or others, which is the same thing) instead of talking to matter directly and measuring and interacting with analog circuits and transistors and oscilloscopes and such, everything is software now, everything is even being put more and more into language systems and decodings and even before you can interact with it. Hence just skipping it all and creating new brain designs and minds and wild wicked new neural circuits is the only way to go forward anymore, all else is expired, done with, we must now crack open skulls and throw wild signals and chemicals inside of them, like crazy, like free jazz and free physics.
    So then manipulating and creating new Mind designs, new brain designs is scientific and correct, is real progress, we need to produce planet sized brains full of particle accelerators criss crossing, and exploding them and throwing atom bombs in this planet sized brain and trillions of computer and events and signals happening in this planet sized (or maybe even an atom sized brain ? a microbrain ?) brain and live through all of the experiences, the wild and wicked experiences such a brain could undergo and express….
    12-21-2012 12:1212121212 …. pm THE END IS NEAR

  270. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 3:50 am #

    Has anyone ever heard of a 25-year “Re-union” for inmates on Death Row?

  271. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 3:55 am #

    I see that China is seriously contemplating reforming its “Reform-Through-Labour” prison system.
    That sounds like a lot of work….

  272. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 6:34 am #

    Budget accomodation….
    Here’s a Bed & Breakfast place called “ICE”, an acronym for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility.
    They’ll “..Put You on ICE.”
    Get it?

  273. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    I want to make a Youtube video in which 2 middle-aged blokes go on a canoe trip. During the trip, they stop for a rest on the riverbank. Suddenly, 2 mountain men emerge from the forest with crew cuts, tortoise shell glasses, beer bellies and wearing blue uniforms and blue rubber gloves.

  274. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 8:33 am #

    “God Damn! You sure play a mean banjo!”

  275. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    “The permies can get them well over 100 degrees. But it seems to me that the “quantity” of heat would be small unlesss the pile of garbage was very great indeed. And thus the smell… But hey Tripp is a trip and on a trip and may not mind. Maybe he’s trained himself to like it.”
    Just like I trained myself, with help from you and the Reality Party, to get OK with humanure! What a pile accumulates in just six months! Can’t wait to spread the finished product around my fruit trees next spring. Time to start the next 6 month pile.
    I believe Ripped used the value 60 degrees C, which is 140 F, and that seems about right for a decomposing pile to me. I haven’t determined yet if there is enough consistent heat in such a pile to make it worthwhile, but if I do I will only be using wood chips, and preferably the free kind from a tree service. Which smell pretty decent in decomposition really. Earthy, foresty, kind of like my small clothes…

  276. ozone October 10, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    “…after the collapse claims untold millions of lives through suicide, class/race warfare, curbside justice, etc then maybe people will wake up inthe US, but then again, we have sat back and taken it up the ass for so long, I won’t hold my breath.” -MN
    There’s your big ‘maybe’, MN.
    You [and a few others] probably remember that tsunami waaaaaay back in 2004. Mike Reynolds went to a wiped-out island to demonstrate how to build shelter out of local materials. He says something on the order of: In order for true innovation to occur, all has to be lost. Then people will be attracted to any idea that will improve their desperate situation.
    Let the video speak for itself. If you want to see the process, click in at around 1:00:00 (one hour). If you’d rather just consider the conclusions, 1:15:00.
    14 days, done and done. In the FUSA, years and years of bureaucracy, hoop-jumping, resistance and door-slamming rebuke. “It’s all about people’s safety!” Oh yeah? I guess living in a ditch is the better option? (And folks still believe this monolith can be reformed from the inside?? I’m sorry, but recent evidence doesn’t support that particular theory.)
    Sure, I’m willing to entertain the let’s-all-work-together mode for preparing for collapse, but guess what? These communal projects aren’t going to occur until the shit has well and truly hit the fan. Those of the cornucopian bent miss the point that the cheaper and easier an energy source is, the MORE of it will be used! …Which leads to MORE extraction/destruction by the use of this energy! (I think it’s called Jevon’s Paradox.) Continue waving buh-bye to the ecosphere that’s conducive to human existence, Poppets.
    Isn’t the Chinese character for catastrophe and opportunity one and the same?
    Where will ‘Murkins turn when collapse has blown down their house of straw? A fascist governmental structure, or their own communities? Guess which one might result in more sustainable innovations…
    BUT, make no mistake, the house will HAVE to be blown down in order for anything substantive to happen.

  277. ozone October 10, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    “I haven’t determined yet if there is enough consistent heat in such a pile to make it worthwhile, but if I do I will only be using wood chips, and preferably the free kind from a tree service. Which smell pretty decent in decomposition really. Earthy, foresty, kind of like my small clothes…”
    Schwety’s Small-clothes and Infant-wear, Inc.! ;o)
    I’ve been around a lot of large piles of chips (brush from site clearings) in every state of freshness and decomposition, and find the smell very pleasant too. Jeez, if you could get pine, it would be really nice, but I’m not to sure about the acidity of the resulting compost. I suppose an amendment with ash might neutralize it. More research! :o)

  278. Widespreadpanic7 October 10, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Well, if you want to see what’s in store for many of us, pick up a copy of Jack London’s ‘The Road’. It chronicles his tramp days riding the rails across America during the Depression of 1892. This is the same period covered by ‘Wisconsin Death Trip’, another grim tale of violence and want. ‘The Road’ is writing of the highest order. In ‘Too Much Magic’, JHK talks about ‘yesterdays tomorrows’. In short order, we too, just like in the 1890s, might witness the spectre of millions on the move across the landscape, searching for work, a place to stay, something to eat.

  279. Widespreadpanic7 October 10, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    Hey Oz, too much magic?
    How about too much rain?

  280. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    One of the things I like about where we’re situated in north Georgia is all the rain-producing forest to the west of us, to the prevailing wind side. No one wants to move to Alabama or Mississippi, or Arkansas or Tennessee for that matter. They want to move to Atlanta or Memphis or Knoxville. And that’s fine by me.
    The coming Völkerwanderung may indeed fill in a lot of that area with a lot of people who need a lot of firewood, thus destroying our climate and rain moderation potential here in north Georgia, but for the moment there are few better choices, in my opinion. Certainly being east of the Mississippi River holds more survival opportunity, ecologically speaking. A scattering of enclaves on the Pacific Coast might be worth gravitating toward, but the rest of the interior west, and the midwest, and definitely the southwest, may be a lost cause for more than a few feral survivalist types.

  281. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    “Jeez, if you could get pine, it would be really nice, but I’m not to sure about the acidity of the resulting compost. I suppose an amendment with ash might neutralize it.”
    Wood ash we got, brother! Would oak mulch be significantly less acidic? We can get it pretty readily too, and that’s what I’ve been spreading around my developing orchard areas.
    Changing the subject, can I buy another copy of Dark Dreams from you? Mine is spent.

  282. ozone October 10, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    …Use that technology while ya gots it, I allus sez!
    There ’tis in several formats.

  283. dale October 10, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Just like I trained myself, with help from you and the Reality Party, to get OK with humanure!
    Tripp, you’re confused, Vlad is an expert on horseshit, not human shit.

  284. ozone October 10, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    Yeah, it has been a little raw, but the next few days are supposed to be pleasant. Hope you can get out and enjoy it! (“Heya” to A-L.)

  285. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Tripp, you continue painting the “Southwest” with a mighty broad brush.
    This, too, is the Southwest. The photo was taken in New Mexico. Probably doesn’t look that different than some parts of Georgia.

  286. progress4spam October 10, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    I particularly like the ending:
    “Bad as the 1930s were, the stakes are even higher now, and our clownish inattention conceals darker falsities that could make that terrible era seem quaint.”
    Yes, indeed. I remember plenty of stories from the hard times of the ’30’s – told to me by aunts and uncles on all sides of my parent’s large extended families.
    The Great Depression hit the south much harder than any other region. Yet, there is a continuous yammering on websites like this one that the US would be sooo much better off if the South would not vote and act so – – – Southern.
    Well, I have come to believe that there is a “regional memory?,” to coin a phrase – that explains much of this. Our understanding of hard times down here is visceral, less abstract than in other regions.
    And the emotional force of this “regional memory” is powerful enough that it converts the thought patterns AND voting patterns of the one-time-union-beneficiaries – who retire down here and then begin to back the party of bigger business.
    But this is all abstract theorizing, that could never change anything and was probably never very important, anyway –
    And, the die has now been cast – for the US and for the World.
    So thanks for the warnings, JHK.
    They are needed for us all.
    And heeded by the wise.

  287. dale October 10, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Russia frees member of Pussy Riot.
    Chickens everywhere go into hiding.

  288. ozone October 10, 2012 at 10:55 am #

    “Would oak mulch be significantly less acidic [than pine]? We can get it pretty readily too, and that’s what I’ve been spreading around my developing orchard areas.” -Tripp
    Your trees will find it deee-licious, I’m sure.
    For veggies? Not so much.
    Useful and [importantly] low-tech info on soil ph testing:
    That off-topic thang? Shoot me an address via the ol’ e-mail and I’ll get one to ya, gratis. Need magic beanstalk beans too?

  289. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    “Need magic beanstalk beans too?”
    Oh, yes please!
    Thanks, O3, I’ll get you that email shortly…

  290. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    “Tripp, you’re confused, Vlad is an expert on horseshit, not human shit.”
    LOL. Yeah, but he shamed me into an acceptance of humanure as necessity pretty effectively a couple years ago!

  291. progress4spam October 10, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Concerning the heat of biological decomposition –
    You could still smell this fire smoldering yesterday when I drove past it on 400.
    From the guy who runs the place:
    “Shivers said the pile that’s burning is made up of raw products like limbs, logs and stumps. He also said initially it was pretty significant in size – about 50 feet tall and covering about one acre of land.
    “We are confident by experience that the fire was likely started just through a natural form of combustion,” he said.” -article-
    So – it’s a great idea, Tripp. Just don’t let all that heat run away with you – so to speak.
    And I’m still planning a trip your way. And I’m still planning to bring the food grade barrels.
    Doesn’t sound to me like I need to bring you any mulch, though. You seem well supplied. 😉

  292. dale October 10, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    LOL. Yeah, but he shamed me into an acceptance of humanure as necessity pretty effectively a couple years ago!
    Suit yourself, but don’t forget to wash up before dinner.

  293. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    “The photo was taken in New Mexico. Probably doesn’t look that different than some parts of Georgia.”
    Oh yes it does! Nothing like that around here. (It’s beautiful by the way) But it still looks very dry to these eyes, even in its ephemerally-moist and very photogenic condition.
    If you can assimilate into the revised and expanded Mexican culture you should be just fine in the Southwest…in much lower overall numbers. That last phrase should be the most concerning. Cities like Phoenix don’t stand a chance.

  294. trippticket October 10, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Looking forward to it, and thanks for the additional info on mulch piles! We are doing a festival in D-town very soon; come see us there, too.

  295. Widespreadpanic7 October 10, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Tripp, P2C, sounds like a Rebel Conspiracy going on down there.
    Barrels, Mulch, meetings in NGeorgia … a little suspicious, no?
    This will need to be investigated by ‘Big Sis’ right away.

  296. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 11:48 am #

    Do you remember that scene in the crappy movie “Waterworld” when Kevin Costner drops the burning flare into the oil tank in the belly of the oil tanker?
    The old bloke imprisoned in the oil tank sees the burning flare falling towards him and the oil and he mutters: “Thank God!”

  297. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    Dale wrote: “Russia frees member of Pussy Riot.”
    I’ve see a Pussy Riot. It’s not pretty.

  298. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 11:53 am #

    Who is Reggie Love?

  299. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    He is an MBA student at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

  300. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    It just warms the cockles of my heart to see such a respectful, mature, thought-provoking discussion taking place here on CFN this week. /sarcasm

  301. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Whatever dire problems we face, I’m sure that arguing about them on the internet with anonymous strangers every week will eventually solve them.

  302. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    You’re a trip.

  303. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Nice. “Deliverance” actually has an environmental message. “It’s the last un-dammed, un-fucked up river in the South. You just pump a little more air conditioning for your smug little asses in Atlanta….” I could go on. James Dickey, the sheriff, wrote the book, one of America’s (and the South’s) better poets. “Now, what about this?”

  304. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Thanks. I was beginning to wonder about the whole fire thing myself.
    Jean Pain:
    Jean Pain Wood Chip Heating Mound: Going Back to the Future

  305. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    That’s beautiful. I’d like to see it in the winter.

  306. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    You’re useful, to someone.

  307. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    Thanks buddy. I’m still trying to shame Dale into accepting that Whites have human rights. He thinks Tibetans have a right to their own nation but not Whites. But he’s very “strong” (ignorant).
    Buddhists meditate on compassion for all beings. But since Whites don’t exist, they can be treated like shit. Leftists are capable of amazing mental convolutions to keep their hatred in place.

  308. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    You might say it is the empty pageantry of the net. But it keeps us entertained while waiting for the collapse that will never happen.
    I’ve been waiting since the Club of Rome report 40 years ago. I am prepared to wait another 40 years.
    After 80 years of waiting, there will still be people breathlessly reading Dmitry Orlov… proclaiming the collapse is imminent.

  309. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    Haven’t heard of that one but it sounds good. Don’t forget London’s “The Iron Heel” which also might fit the times.
    Dostoyevsky’s journals are very hard to get – no large publisher will touch them since they touch on his views of the Jews he observed in the Siberian work camp. He didn’t think much of them.

  310. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    All new homes must be built on top of garbage heaps. The stench and heat will prepare Americans for the hell they are destined for.

  311. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    since Whites don’t exist, they can be treated like shit.
    Radu, you do exist. You are not shit. You have just lost your white privilege, that’s all.
    It is rough, maybe too rough, for you to accept being treated equally… but’s that’s the way it is going to be.
    You will be protected as a minority. We might even set up some affirmative action programs for you to help you pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
    But all your fantasies about having your own space? Ain’t gonna happen. You part of us now, a minority like all the rest. You already got the complaining-victim mindset goin’ real good! Welcome, brother.
    One day you will rise up and say: “I am somebody!” and you’ll feel pride in being white, instead of referring to yourself as a piece of shit. You will get exactly the respect you deserve.

  312. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Like a fish needs a bicycle, right?

  313. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Pam Geller, responsible for the “Muslim Savages” ads on N.Y subways, says that if Iran attacks Israel, Israel should nuke Europe. There you have it folks, you were warned. But the Warners were called Nazis and discounted.

  314. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    Do Whites get the right to have their own homes and not have to work to support lazy Blacks and Mexicans? And the “White don’t exist” is a classic Leftist polemic – as you well know.
    Susan Rice should be fired: she’s either incompetent or a liar. Just another Condi retread.

  315. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 1:55 pm #

    By admitting our existence, you are opening up a can of worms. In order to comply with the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, we have the right to our own autonomous Nations. Trying to treat us as isolated individuals just wont cut it, Soak. You may want to go back to saying we don’t exist.

  316. k-dog October 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Same could have been said of the Salons of Paris or the taverns of New England. The reality party has to start somewhere. For now this is the Salon and Tavern.
    My point of contention with you is that you confuse culture and zeitgeist with human nature and wind up being a sourpuss.
    As pack dogs trot down the Scroll’O Posts they always stop and sniff Turkleton. sometimes the odor is foul but always worth sniffing. Good poop in a wasteland of weeds.
    Until the plug gets pulled anyway it’s fun and healthier than a bag of Cheetos.

  317. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    Radu, I may have to take back saying your white privilege doesn’t exist. It does.
    Because you are white, you can, if you wish, arrange to be in the company of people of your race most of the time.
    Because you are white, if you should need to move, you can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area that you can afford and in which you would want to live.
    Because you are white, you can be pretty sure that your neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to you.
    Because you are white, you can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that you will not be followed or harassed.
    Because you are white, you can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of your race widely represented.
    Because you are white, when you are told about your national heritage or about civilization, you are shown that people of your color made it what it is.
    Because you are white, you can be sure that your children (if you have any) will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
    Because you are white, if you want to, you can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for anything you write on white nationalism.
    Because you are white, you can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of your race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with your cultural traditions, into a barber shop and find someone who can deal with your hair.
    Because you are white, whether you use checks, credit cards, or cash, you can count on your skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
    Because you are white, you can arrange to protect your children most of the time from people who might not like them.
    Because you are white, you can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes or not answer letters without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of your race.
    Because you are white, you can speak in public to a powerful group of white males without putting your race on trial.
    Because you are white, you can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to your race.
    Because you are white, you are not asked to speak for all the people of your racial group.
    Because you are white, you can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color, who constitute the worlds’ majority, without feeling in your culture any penalty for such oblivion.
    Because you are white, you can criticize our government and talk about how much you fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider, or suspecting you were really born in Kenya.
    Because you are white, you can be sure that if you ask to talk to “the person in charge” you will most likely be facing a person of your race.
    Because you are white, if a traffic cop pulls you over, or if the IRS audits your tax return, you can be sure you haven’t been singled out because of your race.
    Because you are white, you can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children’s magazines featuring people of your race.
    Because you are white, you can go home from most meetings or organizations you belong to feeling somewhat tied in rather than isolated, out of place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, or feared.
    Because you are white, you can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having coworkers on the job suspect that you got it because of race.
    Because you are white, you can choose public accommodations without fearing that people of your race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places you have chosen.
    Because you are white, you can be sure that if you need legal or medical help your race will not work against you.
    Because you are white, if your day, week, or year is going badly, you need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has racial overtones.
    Because you are white, you can chose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color that more or less matches your skin.
    To the extent you cannot do these things, you are losing a bit of your white privilege. But in most cases, you are still privileged in this society for having your white skin.

  318. k-dog October 10, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    The brain dead ghost of Uncle Milty was preaching to his choir in Iowa yesterday. Does anyone know where Barry Soetoro was yesterday? was he playing golf or selling insurance. Never mind I’ll google him.
    K-Dog for president.
    Write me in. Get ready by stealing a pen from a large corporation to do it with. The larger the better.

  319. Rhino October 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    To Radu Voda
    What do you think – could legal documents be made a bit easier to understand? Maybe just a little – or even alot? – Radu Voda
    You bet.
    Can you imagine the Ten Commandments as written by lawyers? You’d have 350 pages of incomprehensible legalese.
    Some people see the influence of foreign and more ancient cultures on the Ten C’s. No doubt there was such influence seeing as the Israelites didn’t live in isolation.
    So maybe the Israelites looked at other legal and religious codes and reworked them. Cut them down to essentials. So what you get in the Ten C’s is a short list that any illiterate villager could put to memory.
    And a lot of it in two or three word bursts like “no lying”, “no killing”, “no stealing”, “no adultery”, “no coveting”.
    The Ten C’s are pretty simple in English but even so I wonder what they sounded like in the original language. I wonder how much the translators into English couldn’t resist adding some flowery grandiosity that wasn’t in the original. Any scholars of the Hebrew Bible out there?
    There was discussion in past weeks about the study of philosophy. I didn’t chime in at the time because I took only one course in it in university. I took it as an elective because I wanted a taste of what so many of the others were discussing – and going blind reading – night after night. And I thought, who knows, it might help me get laid (it didn’t).
    So what did I take away? It wasn’t a total waste of time. It seems (to use modern parlance) that if science is the app then philosophy is the system software. But it was also to my exquisite and great displeasure to have to read a whole bunch of crap. I have less than fond remembrance of reading Martin Heidegger and Martin Buber. It was like running along looping, ever widening curves, running and running and never getting to a finish line.
    I remarked to the prof about Heidegger that the reason his stuff sounds like gobbledy-gook is because it really is gobbledy-gook. The prof peered at me contemptuously (this was after-all his life’s work and I wasn’t being sensitive to that), looking like he wanted to blast me for being an insufferable snot. Which I was. But he didn’t. Instead he sighed deeply and said well, he certainly wouldn’t advocate a writing style like his.
    As far as Buber goes I had to write a paper on his work “I and Thou” discussing the difference between what Buber termed “experience” and “encounter”. Or some nonsense like that (it was a long time ago). In my view what I produced was twenty pages of garbage, an endless, backbreaking, belaboring of minutiae. Anyway the marker gave me an A saying the paper was incisive, insightful and a bunch of other nice compliments.
    Just between us girls I suspect that the reason the marker was so delighted was that he could actually read what I had written. Because by that time I had developed an intense distaste for impenetrable, intellectualized jargon and overly complex sentences that seemingly ran on for pages – ie bullshit. There just seemed to be so much blather about so very, very little. So I did my best to write in plain English. And I got an A on the course probably at least partly for that reason.
    I don’t agree that I would reduce language to a strict utilitarian and declarative form as Buck suggests. But there is something to be said for plain speaking.
    And what I don’t enjoy is “bullshit”. In my view, if you think you have something important to say then don’t fuck around, just say it. What’s the point of wrapping your writing in a fog of imprecision? To produce incomprehension? The entire reason for writing, especially for an academic, is to communicate, to shed light, not the opposite.
    Heidegger allegedly said “making itself intelligible is suicide for philosophy”.
    I wonder if Heidegger actually said that. Maybe he did. Maybe he was just kidding around.
    But maybe not. So maybe there’s a whole lot less in philosophy as a field than meets the eye. Maybe what we have in progress is a fraudulent enterprise designed to enhance reputations and keep bullshitters comfortably ensconced in academic postings they don’t deserve.
    So maybe intelligibility in philosophy would be suicide not so much for philosophy but rather for some careers. Gosh, what am I saying? No doubt there’s much, much deeper meaning to what Mr H allegedly said that escapes my unsophisticated and untutored mind, that a high and mighty thinker would have picked up on. If there is such a thinker out there would he/she please enlighten me? I’ll be forever grateful.
    Buck takes exception to my using the terms “bullshit” and “asshole”. Oh well. Sometimes people ask for it and if they ask for it I’ll give it.

  320. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

    Can you imagine the Ten Commandments as written by lawyers? You’d have 350 pages of incomprehensible legalese.
    Yes, but the lawyers would take away the moral wiggle room for immoral assholes who want to say that “Thou shalt not kill” really means “thou shalt not murder” because “kill” really only means “murder,” and therefore the killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was OK, because, well, it was war time, and it wasn’t really cold-blooded murder, and besides, think of all the soldiers’ lives that were “probably” saved, and things were really complicated, and the Japanese Imperial Army was ruthless and had to be stopped, and … etc. etc. etc.

  321. horseoutside October 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm #


  322. progress4spam October 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    “the lawyers would take away the moral wiggle room….” -a…-
    OK, a…, that tears it.
    You really are stupid.
    Or else you are a lawyer.

  323. progress4spam October 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    “Barrels, Mulch, meetings in NGeorgia … a little suspicious, no?” -wsp7-
    You are correct, widespread.
    This does sound pretty bad.
    All very innocent, though, I can assure you and any government agents who are monitoring or posting to this webspace.
    Man, it sure is easy to get on that WatchList that RippedThunder talks about – these days.

  324. lsjogren October 10, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Never thought I’d see a great defense of the legal profession but this comes across as such.
    Give me a break, we should just apply simple moral values like “thou shall not kill” in all circumstances, like if someone is pointing a revolver at us with intent to kill, or when Hitler is gassing millions of Jews and members of other minority groups?
    We should adopt a simple-minded pacifism that would lead the Hitlers of the world to run the show, since it is too straining to our simple-minded progressivism to accept that issues such as military strategy may indeed involve complex choices between alternatives that all have horrific ramifications?
    Stick with your world of rainbows and bunny rabbits if you like, but I believe for the sake of humanity it is my obligation to form my opinion of issues based on reality, a reality that is often very harsh.

  325. dale October 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    But all your fantasies about having your own space? Ain’t gonna happen. You part of us now, a minority like all the rest. You already got the complaining-victim mindset goin’ real good! Welcome, brother.
    Poor Vladdie, there was a “space” for him, unfortunately he was born about 100 years to late to live in it. Had he been born around 1910 he could have died in a hail of bullets defending the Reichstag, a proud SS corporal showing his last measure of devotion to a lost and deranged cause. But sadly it was not to be. So…he bides his time here in samsara, throwing his flaming missiles of hate into the blogospere, imagining he is making some sort of impact.
    Truth is, he will get old, sick, and die (sooner than he is willing to face), just like the rest of us. If he’s lucky he’ll have a black nurse in his last days who will listen to his wild racist rants with amused detachment while she fluffs his pillow, saying “Yes, Yes Vladdie, we know…..hehehe”.

  326. dale October 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Whatever dire problems we face, I’m sure that arguing about them on the internet with anonymous strangers every week will eventually solve them.
    Interesting comment, coming from someone who is fully capable of carrying on a long winded blogument with himself.

  327. dale October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    Can you imagine the Ten Commandments as written by lawyers?
    No, its hard for me to imagine them being written by anyone other than ancient Middle Eastern tribesmen.

  328. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    No adultery, unless the neighbor’s wife is smokin’ hot, it’s late, she starts rubbing your leg after several drinks, tokes, some nice music, maybe some moonlight. That’s when you need a lawyer’s interpretation. It may help you here, but maybe not “there”.

  329. k-dog October 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Philosophy, nice place to visit. Bad place to live.

  330. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    blogument, I like it.
    What shall it be this week?
    I got it! Science vs. religion. That’ll be a new one that we’ve never covered before, and I’m sure we can arrive at final conclusions on this issue that everyone will acknowledge and accept.

  331. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Hm, more psychological assessments of resident troglodyte, Vlad/Radu. We definitely haven’t gotten enough of those these last couple months/years. Perhaps if we keep doing it, he’ll leave forever with his tiny little tail between his legs from the extreme internet shamery. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  332. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    just home from bottlin’ wine. , sixty gallons of vino in the jug . Way short of the 200 gallons my Pepe legally made. I just don’t have the supply of grapes that he did. . 13% and it will cross your eyes! Not that this is always a good thing but the stuff is like purple money when trade times come. Uh-oh can’t do that. Big-bro says no taxy no trady!oh well I will give it to the locals to watch my back yard.

  333. Stephen Daedalus October 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    Plagiarism. You need to give credit to the real author of this piece instead of passing it off as your own.

  334. anti soak October 10, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    Yes, he has been called on that before!

  335. anti soak October 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Does Israel fund sites like ‘Jihad Watch’?

  336. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    i’ve already been passing it out to the neighbors, some don’t even drink. it makes a heck of a tomato sauce! We have tomatos up the yazoo with no frost in sight ‘roun here.

  337. turkleton October 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    “tomatos up the yazoo”
    Well, that’s a rather vivid metaphor.

  338. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Thank you, Stephen. I have a citation chaser. His name is Puzzler. But he has been falling down on fetching my citations for me.
    SOURCE: White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh.

  339. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

    Many times. He doesn’t learn, or doesn’t care. But he always comes up with the citation when interested parties inquire.

  340. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 7:14 pm #

    yea Turk, We don’t boil our tomato sauce in this neck of the woods. We just crap it right onto our pasta. Hmm, Hmm, Good! We also regurgitate earthworms for our young! Saves on cooking fuel! Just prepping for TLE!

  341. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Pay attention P4S. Vlad has already established that I am inferior and stupid for genetic reasons. My posts constitute a parade of stupidity. You might say they are part of the empty pageantry of the net. But they keep us entertained while waiting for the Black Swan that will not come, and the collapse that will never happen.
    I’ve been waiting since the Club of Rome report 40 years ago. I am prepared to wait another 40 years.
    After 80 years of waiting, there will still be people breathlessly reading Dmitry Orlov… proclaiming the collapse is imminent, proclaiming “thing work, until they don’t,” proclaiming the worst is just around the corner.

  342. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    Probably rich Jewish individuals or Foundations. But who knows? Maybe it’s part of the billion we give Israel every year. Or maybe it’s direct from the Rothschilds which means at least partially from you and me via the Federal Reserve Scam.

  343. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    I believe for the sake of humanity it is my obligation to form my opinion of issues based on reality, a reality that is often very harsh.
    This could have been written by the Taliban. You share with the Taliban a willingness to use violence to defend what you believe in. Just as the Taliban justify an attack on a 14 year old girl, to preserve what they believe in, you justify attacking anyone you think is threatening your way of life. You both believe in the effectiveness of violence. You both believe in “self defense” when you feel threatened.
    Yes, I will remain a pacifist and enjoy my world of bunny rabbits and rainbows. I will not embrace violence. That belief in nonviolence I share with the 14 year old girl, and many great figures of history like Albert Einstein, Dorothy Day, Mother Teresa, Alfred Nobel, Aung San Suu Kyi, Jane Addams, John Lennon, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Junior, Thich Nhat Hanh, Muhammad Ali,
    Peace Pilgrim, Pete Seeger, Ron Kovic, etc.

  344. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    No that’s not true. I’ve acknowledged that you personally are above average: way above the Negro average and somewhat above the Whtite average.
    Blacks are unbelievably dumb on the average – as can be seen in the Amren video.

  345. asoka.. October 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm #

    But, Vlad, it’s not me. Almost everything I post is plagiarized (for the benefit of Puzzler). I have little intelligence. I am a stupid parrot.

  346. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    Evenin’ A, So my neighbor and I were out last night before sunset admiring a beautiful rainbow. We have had a set of cardinals, a male and female, mated for life I believe? living in the cedars between our houses for a few years now. All of a sudden a red-tail hawk swoops out of nowhere and grabs up the beautiful red male cardinal. Karma? I don’t think so. Life is a bitch and you never know when that bolt of lighting will strike ya down. As far as I know the cardinal only ate a few berries and the occasional insect. It was pretty shocking as I have seen these birds raise several broods. The female will probably die this winter.
    Felix Pappalardi
    Two island swans mated for life,
    And his faithful heart would not consider any other wife.
    For three years peaceful joy midst the rushes of the pond,
    Proud and gentle was the loving of the last two island swans.
    Their love was like a circle, no beginning and no end,
    With his lady by his side a treasure and best friend.
    And the pond was all so peaceful with the rising of the sun,
    Young and free like the island breeze their life was just begun.
    ‘Til a dread day in November when the searing cold did start,
    Stalked the hunter with his bow, he put an arrow through her heart.
    Husband come to my side let your feathers warm my pain,
    For I feel I will not spend another day with you again.
    And the cold winds blow,
    He was brave but he’s laid low.
    By her body in the isle of mist,
    I saw him give her one last cold kiss, one last cold kiss.
    Of swans the people talk of only one in this days tide,
    They brought him twenty ladies he would take no other bride.
    They say he will not move from the place where she did fall,
    Once so proud he’s beaten now, he will not speak at all.
    And the cold winds blow,
    He was brave but he’s laid low.
    By her body in the isle of mist,
    I saw him give her one last cold kiss, one last cold kiss.

  347. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    I like John Lennon, his music, etc. But, he had a bit of a violent side, from what I remember reading, particularly when he was drunk. And, when he wrote
    “imagine no possessions”, he was a multi, multi-millionaire. Just sayin’.

  348. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    like I said before I am not a huge Wiki fan but I had to look it up. Northern Cardinals. I still feel for that bird. I am getting soft in my old age!
    Pairs mate for life, and they stay together year-round. Mated pairs sometimes sing together before nesting. During courtship they may also participate in a bonding behavior where the male collects food and brings it to the female, feeding her beak-to-beak.[15] If the mating is successful, this mate-feeding may continue throughout the period of incubation.

  349. Jam47 October 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    A comparison of the Ten Commandments with Hammurabi’s law code shows a striking similarity. Many historians of the ancient Near East maintain that the similarity is not coincidental, but causal. When the Hebrews came to construct the Ten Commandments they used Hammurabi’s code as a model.
    Abraham came from Ur, which was one of the towns in southern Mesopotamia that Hammurabi forced to submit to his rule. Abraham and Hammurabi were contemporaries (18th-century BC). When Abraham left Ur to begin his wanderings, he took the basics of the Hammurabi code with him. These rules were passed down to Moses.

  350. anti soak October 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    Actually when he left the Beatles he was worth 2? Million.
    I was at his last big concert and after hours party.He softened the line to ‘I wonder if WE can’.
    Yoko was a great investor of their $.
    They didnt eat beef but invested in Beef Cattle.

  351. dale October 10, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Hm, more psychological assessments of resident troglodyte, Vlad/Radu. We definitely haven’t gotten enough of those these last couple months/years.
    Just keeping in practice.

  352. dale October 10, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    No that’s not true. I’ve acknowledged that you personally are above average: way above the Negro average and somewhat above the Whtite average.
    Classic reaction…… racism always tends to break down when confronted with individuals, it only maintains its potency when the referent is a group.

  353. Stephen Daedalus October 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    Lennon was a conflicted man. Out of all the fab 4, he had the most difficult and ‘strange’ upbringing. Maybe this creates the genius in people; hard to say. Yoko, whether she knew it or not, tapped into his longings, and he went with it. His solo works, although relatively small compared to earlier, are his better works.

  354. Jam47 October 10, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    A few lines from the alcoholic poetess Dorothy Parker:
    I love a martini
    Two at the most
    Three I’m on the floor
    Four I’m under the host
    Parker was one of the Algonquin round-table wits, along with Robert Benchley and that Kaufman fellow who wrote plays.
    When Benchley went to Venice he immediately sent a cable back to his New York friends: ” Streets full of water. Advise.”
    In my view, the Twentieth Century is going to prove to be Western culture’s highpoint. Never before had so many artistically talented people been given so much scope to express themselves. Never before and never again.

  355. rippedthunder October 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

    Friends to Benchley, “Sink or swim.” Seems pretty clear cut. He was supposed to be smart? I guess not, and not very funny either. Venice will be the 22nd century Atlantis.

  356. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    I prefer Lennon’s Beatles stuff, although the late Beatles stuff was when Yoko was around. Losing his mom like that, killed by a drunk off-duty cop. Might have had an influence.

  357. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    I remember reading that the cop was drunk when the accident occurred. Now, the main bio’s are just saying that it was a constable who later became a postman. I guess he wasn’t very experienced driving, at any rate.

  358. daytrip October 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    Ok, beatlesbible.com says that the constable was drunk. Either way, I’m thinking that I’m acting like I have way too much time on my hands. Over and out.

  359. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    Is there anyone out there who can do a good Stephen Hawking imitation?

  360. Buck Stud October 10, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    And the scenes from a legendary movie linked below were also filmed in New Mexico.
    Call me sentimental and nostalgic but people back in the day seemed to live life with the knowledge that it doesn’t last forever. In other words, imbued with reality and power. Or as Don Juan castigated Castenda: ‘ You have no damn time’.

  361. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 10:52 pm #

    You say privledge as if it’s a bad thing – it certainly is a loaded word. You’re doing the Alinsky thing of isolate, polarize, demonize, etc.
    You’re using the word as if to say Whites don’t deserve these things THEY HAVE CREATED FOR THEMSELVES. Go to China – you’ll see alot of Chinese privledge. Go to Black Africa – it’s Blacks first over there. That they haven’t created as much for themselves (but can only take it from the Whites) is surely no one’s fault but their own.

  362. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    More primary evidence: Dale doesn’t understand the concept of average.

  363. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    Yes, a hypocrite. A millionaire Marxist ready to take our money and redistribute it.

  364. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    What more bad things do you know about Yoko? A dark character, certainly! And did she not break up the Four Gandharvas (celsestial musicians)?

  365. Radu Voda October 10, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    So in other words, wanting our own Nation is racist. But when Tibetans or Blacks or Browns do, that’s fine. How can you live with such hypocrisy? How can you face yourself in the mirror? Not only is a symptom of mental illness, it just plain stupid.
    Oh no, not the Black Nurse again. Could you please just leave me out of your fantasies?

  366. anti soak October 10, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    They were both into psychics.
    Elwood Babitt refused to read for her but did read
    for John.
    I knew a hanger on, groupie type, they were both nice to this gal, oddly enough.
    Yoko was brilliant at reading JL and turning his money into lots more money.
    Yoko just gave Gaga a ‘peace award’.
    info online says Yokos worth 1/2 billion.
    Odd that she would go with Ollie Stone to Cuba to kiss up to Castro!
    Leftists, I tell ya!

  367. Pucker October 10, 2012 at 11:31 pm #

    I met someone the other day who said that she’d “bend over backwards to give me a ‘Flying F..ck’.”
    That seems rather unusual these days….

  368. Stephen Daedalus October 10, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    As I was trying to convey, Lennon’s best material was his solo work as his mind was being pushed beyond. Clearly, he had the most difficult life of the 4. Absolutely, the Beatles work is great and to be explored. I continue to find beautiful songs of theirs as I haven’t heard everything they did. In the last year via ytube, I heard “tell me what you see” and I love it. My sister claims she wasn’t a Beatles fan, yet she was the one who got me to buy my first record, the “red” album. Life is funny that way.

  369. Buck Stud October 10, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    Thanks Rhino for not taking my “Italian Brute” and “bocci ball” statements personally.”
    Truth be told, Italians can transform the most profane language into poetry. I have watched many old Italians playing bocci ball and the profanity, so lyrical and musically expressed!
    When I was a teenager I worked in an Italian restaurant and the cook was an Italian women who didn’t speak much English. She was very fond of me and so was her daughter. Unfortunately, the latter did not exactly resemble Michael Corleone’s first Italian wife in The Godfather.

  370. Stephen Daedalus October 10, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    I had a girl offer me a blow job for five bucks in Flint, Michigan when I was 19. I turned her down. Looking back on it, I wonder, what the f was wrong with me! And now I ask you…What is wrong with you?! (There is nothing unusual about today than anything unusual from the past.) You just don’t know 1925.

  371. Buck Stud October 10, 2012 at 11:54 pm #

    Ah, they just don’t make Christians like Vincent van Gogh anymore. One of his most beautiful letters below(and don’t get derailed by his Jewish comment; he was not anti-Jewish):

  372. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 12:33 am #

    You look like him? That’s what makes your betrayal so painful – you may be a member of my tribe.
    All tradtional Europeans were anti-Jewish to some degree. Nothing wrong with it – you can’t maintain your nation if you don’t keep an eye on them.

  373. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Did you just give her the five bucks and call it good?

  374. daytrip October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    I checked out “Tell Me What You See” on the ytube. Nice song. “Hey Bulldog” is like that for me. I heard that on the radio and was like, hey, that’s the Beatles. I just listened to that one on the old ytube, as well. Good stuff.
    The Beatles have such an excellent body of work, it’s a pleasure for me to go back and listen to them. There was such an evolution in their composition, then their solo careers, 3/4 of which were really quite something.
    I think I’ll put on the White Album and get back to tax paperwork.

  375. Michigan Native October 11, 2012 at 1:30 am #

    What a bunch of fucktards many of you are. Blabbing about the Beatles (talk about a dipshit name for a band, the cockroaches would have been more suitable), John Lennon (who was no genius, just a smart ass and better at lyrics than McCartney, who wrote better songs) (Frank Zappa was a true genius). For what it’s worth, the WHO was the greatest rock band ever and Jimi Hendrix the greatest all around guitarist and Pink Floyd the best trip out band, but what the fuck does that matter? Your lives are in danger, your way of life as you once knew it is about to implode, and so many of you act like brainless twits dancing to the 3 piece band on the Titanic when you are damned close to drowning like rats.

  376. daytrip October 11, 2012 at 1:59 am #

    Dude, relax. Mitt’s gonna make it ok.

  377. daytrip October 11, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    Was it Nietzsche who said, without music, life would be a mistake.

  378. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 2:01 am #

    Very soon you will be learning your Beatles songs from sheet music and playing them on a cat gut ukelele. Only rich people will have banjos. Your mother would know.

  379. Michigan Native October 11, 2012 at 2:25 am #

    Yeah? Fuck you, you idol worshipping acid casualty. Your momma wouldn’t know, because when she went into a haunted house, they not only gave her an application but she decided to abandon your useless, stupid ass for a fulltime career. No wonder you have no life other than to derail serious threads here. I suppose you sit up all night listening to the same, overplayed, and mediocre Beatle’s songs while you imagine what your life might have been like if you had received enough oxygen at birth, asswipe. Stop depriving a village of an idiot and do something useful for a change

  380. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 2:47 am #

    Past, Present, and Future are all the same to God. In a very real sense, she will always be offering you a blowjob – just as Stephen’s meeting with the young girl on the beach was an eternal happening for him.
    As one Greek intellectual said of the stories of the gods, They are things that never were but always are.

  381. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 2:54 am #

    What haunted house?

  382. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 7:16 am #

    The mornings are getting chilly — in the 30s predicted for tomorrow — and winter is looming just over the horizon. The majority of houses in New England are heated by what we call ‘home heating oil’, basically the same as kerosene or diesel the big Semi’s run on. I remember when it was 10 cents a gallon. I heard on the news last nite this year the cost might exceed $5 per gallon this season. No doubt about it, some people are going to freeze up here this winter, because they just cannot afford it. You can forget about those oversized 10,000 sq. ft. McMansions built all over the place from about 1990 til 2007. Suddenly they don’t seem so desirable to own. When JHK postulated this might happen in TLE, I thought ‘no way’. But here it is.
    200,000 thousand people might be able to live in this little state (Connecticut) with the resources at hand, resources actually provided by the land and the sea. Thats what the population was when almost everybody farmed or fished for a living. There are 3.5 million here now, and more arriving every day from the 3rd world to access the generous but strained social services system. A few days ago we learn the 21 regents who run the state community college system were given a $50,000 raise on top of their $183,000 salary, apropo of nothing. These are no-show political positions. You’re complaining about the 1% and telling me that Govt. employees are not a privileged class? Somethings gotta give.

  383. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 7:49 am #

    SD wrote: “I had a girl offer me a blow job for five bucks in Flint, Michigan when I was 19. ”
    There are blow jobs…and then there are blow jobs…. I wonder if there are any TV weathermen who go out for an occasional blow job?
    I recall reading somewhere that during the Clinton Administration, the White House staffers used to call Hillary “The Tornado”.

  384. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 7:56 am #

    Have you ever actually met someone who received “A Flying Fuck”?
    Now they’re got all those flying drones that look like airborne dildos….

  385. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 8:02 am #

    Have you ever actually met someone who received “A Flying Fuck”?
    I asked Santa for one for Christmas, but he said that he couldn’t give me one.

  386. Monkeyboy October 11, 2012 at 8:41 am #


  387. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Hey Steve, We had a fella at the Firehouse who was in the Navy stationed in Naples Italy in the early ’70’s . I heard the story several times as we sat on the bench in front of the station. A pizza, a quart of beer and a BJ for 5 bucks. Now that was a deal! Inflation sucks , no pun intended. There also was an old timer stationed in Tegucigalpa , Honduras during the ’50’s. During watch and walking the fence there was a spot where you could get a BJ through the chainlink for a buck. I don’t agree with the sexploitation of women but the stories were kinda funny. I don’t even know if they were true. Both those guys are dead now.

  388. dale October 11, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Oh no, not the Black Nurse again. Could you please just leave me out of your fantasies?
    HAHA! Yeah….sorry about the rerun on that one, but it’s far from the worst that could happen to you, or any of us.
    You should however, give serious thought to my last comment about racism and the group, and how such views never hold up very well with repeated exposure to individuals. That’s why Asoka is “maybe smarter than the average white” to you. Has little to do with Asoka’s natural ability, and much to do with your exposure to him. That’s how it works, the more you are genuinely exposed to those who are different from you, the more like you they naturally begin to appear.
    Consider it a good sign, there is still something left that is decent and fair about you, submerged in all those delusive appearances, with which you are so obsessed. It may only express itself in unguarded moments, but it’s still there.
    If you were wise, you would nurture it.

  389. dale October 11, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    You might say it is the empty pageantry of the net. But it keeps us entertained while waiting for the collapse that will never happen.
    Asoka, you should know better than to compound their false assurance of doom, with an equally false assurance of stability.

  390. dale October 11, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    I believe one of the lessons of chaos and complexity theory, is that an iterative formula with just one variable of feedback into the system, produces almost unimaginably complex and unpredictable variations.
    This “formula” called earth, has approximately 7 billion variables.

  391. dale October 11, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Maybe we would learn more if we switched sides in the usual debate.

  392. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    No doubt about it, some people are going to freeze up here this winter, because they just cannot afford it… When JHK postulated this might happen in TLE, I thought ‘no way’. But here it is.
    Calm down, Mr. Panic. The Connecticut Energy Assistance Program is designed to help offset the winter heating costs of Connecticut’s lower income households…
    Did JHK postulate the CEAP program in TLE?
    No? No. But here it is.

  393. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Asoka, you should know better than to compound their false assurance of doom, with an equally false assurance of stability.
    Point taken. Please excuse my temporary lapse from my usual incisive, cogent, and intelligent comments.

  394. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    A few days ago we learn the 21 regents who run the state community college system were given a $50,000 raise on top of their $183,000 salary, apropo of nothing.
    What if the state of Connecticut sent you a check for $50,000, “apropo of nothing”[sic]?
    Would you accept it as compensation for all the taxes you have paid in Connecticut?
    Or would you say “Somethings gotta give.”[sic]?
    Be honest.

  395. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Would you accept it as compensation for all the taxes you have paid in Connecticut?
    Or would you say “Somethings gotta give.”[sic] … there’s too much waste in government, AND SEND THE CHECK BACK?
    Be honest.

  396. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    I see ass-oka replied to you with ‘Be Honest’ [dont we wish he’d take his own advice!]
    I had mentioned awhile back at Santa Monica College,
    with its ‘global citizenship’ requirements and 1000+
    ‘undocumented’ welfare cases, I mean Dream Act recipients, and its ‘ombudsperson’, I was talking to
    a neighbor who takes classes there and keeps very close tabs on SMCs funds [the Student Government took the ‘A.S.’ fees and threw themselves a 10k party, but didnt invite the students!], and he said
    ’15 years ago there were 30 ‘deans’, now there are 110, and thats 10 million a year’!

  397. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    anti soak, why don’t you try being honest. Santa Monica College does not have “110 deans” as you assert. It has 15 deans (actually 14 and 1 vacancy) and eight associate deans (actually 7 and 1 vacancy). For a total of 22 deans and associate deans. If SMC had 30 deans 15 years ago, then they have trimmed down to save money.
    Here they are, from the Santa Monica College organizational chart.
    Brenda Benson, Counseling, Retention
    Kelley Brayton, International Education
    Leonard Crawford, Special Programs
    Jocelyn Chong, Information Technology
    Kiersten Elliott, Enrollment Services
    Carol Hamilton, Institutional Development (Acting)
    Deyna Hearn, Student Life
    Erica LeBlanc, Academic Affairs
    Sherri Lee-Lewis, Human Resources
    Georgia Lorenz, Instructional Services
    Mona Martin, Learning Resources
    Katharine Muller, External Programs
    Patricia Ramos, Workforce Development
    Albert Vasquez, Campus Security, Student Health & Safety
    (Vacant) Institutional Research
    Ida Danzey, Health Sciences
    Ron Furuyama, Emeritus College
    Roberto Gonzalez, Student Success Initiatives
    Denise Kinsella, International Education
    Steve Myrow, Financial Aid/Scholarships
    Sonali Perera-Bridges, Outreach and Recruitment
    Julie Yarrish, Online Services and Support
    (Vacant), Career Technical Education
    I’ll give you the same advice I gave WSP7:

  398. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    For a total of 21 ACTIVE deans and associate deans. If SMC had 30 deans 15 years ago, AND 21 ACTIVE DEANS TODAY, then they have trimmed down, FROM 30 TO 21, to save money.

  399. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Well A, can you pull up the section of the US Constitution that says I should pay to heat my neighbors house? Hey, I am all for a helping hand, but some of these lay-abouts do nothing but look for a handout. If Granny worked for years and cannot heat her home or someone with a real disability needs help I am all in. I had a friend burned at work, driveway sealants with hot tar, Welfare said no money for you, you have a truck and a house. He says it is only till I heal up and I will be back to work. Welfare says sell your truck, tools , and become indigent then maybe we will give you a check. The system is totally F-U.

  400. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    Hot Tar!! eeks!!

  401. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    Mitt Romney, who has pledged to repeal Obamacare, says that people without health insurance don’t have to worry about dying as a result.
    “We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance,” Romney said in an interview with the Columbus Dispatch’s editorial board on Wednesday.
    In fact, more than 26,000 Americans died prematurely in 2010 because they lacked health insurance, according to a recent report by Families USA.
    Ann Romney said she is concerned about Mitt’s mental health. If Mill flips out, I guess we will have President and Commander in Chief Paul Ryan.

  402. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    Well A, can you pull up the section of the US Constitution that says I should pay to heat my neighbors house?
    Article I Section 8 of the USA Constitution.

  403. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Asoka that program to buy people heating oil usually runs out of money around Martin Luther King Day. Then you’re on your own.
    Hey Asoka when the Taliban shot that little girl in the head on the school bus, did they shout ‘Ali Akbar”, (your favorite saying)?

  404. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    Here is a list just for the MA turnpike, You have to get to page 10 to find someone making less than 100K and he is a sign hanger, I SAID A FREAKIN’ SIGN HANGER!!!! Highly skilled I imagine, His pension will be at least 80 K with full bennies!

  405. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Thats a sweet deal Rip!

  406. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    Incidentally I’ve been spending much time up in Granby and E Granby, your neck of the woods.

  407. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    This Mope makes over 100 K for Community relations! For an interstate? Talk about a no-show job! Is he who I talk to when I hit a pothole and ruin a tire? Yea right.
    Must be a buddy of Devals.
    MacDonald J
    Community Relations
    Communications Director

  408. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    Hi WP, if in Granby swing into The Cambridge House Brew Pub on 10/202, They make great beer ask for Beaner and leave a big tip! ;o)

  409. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    I don’t like paying for an armed forces and trillions of dollars for weapons?
    I call that REDISTRIBUTION from my pocket to the pockets of CEOs of defense industry giants. That is REDISTRIBUTION for death, killing civilians in countries we are not at war with.
    I don’t mind paying for heating oil for my neighbors who could freeze to death. That is REDISTRIBUTION for life, part of living in a civilized society.

  410. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    Black nurses are famous for their poor treatment of patients. At a nursing home, one got annoyed at an elderly White women who had wet herself and she stripped her in front of everyone.
    I’ve known some Blacks and even had a couple of casual friends. The paradigm revealed by IQ testing says that 17% of Blacks will be smarter than the average White with IQ’s of 100. So Asoka is not an anamoly just an asshole. But Black IQ drops off dramatically after that with very few Blacks in the 120’s and above – the required IQ’s for top level work in Academia and the Professions.
    I have no doubt that you understand statistics theoretically but like many, you have not learned to use them in your actual life. The average Black American IQ is 85 – not college material or even high school is truth be told. Clogging up the system with this kind of person is criminal. They should be shunted off into vocational training asap. If they can be taught to read a bit, fine. But don’t expect miracles. Once we get rid of the Mexican illegals, this kind of Black can become our agricultural class again.

  411. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Fifty Muslim scholars issue fatwa against Taliban
    The Taliban are not true Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace.
    Allahu Akbar!
    BTW, “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition” is an American patriotic song written by Frank Loesser and published as sheet music in 1942 by Famous Music Corp.

  412. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Been to that pub, Rip, with some friends who own horses at one of those farms on the way to Hartland. Beer: Frosty. Chow: pretty good burgers. How about that place in your town, right on Rte. 10, white 2 story building in the center? Any good?

  413. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition”, goddam good song, used when killing Nazis, not little girls on a school bus.

  414. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    this kind of Black can become our agricultural class again.
    It doesn’t make you nervous, having Blacks so close to the purity of the food supply you depend upon? Can Blacks be trusted?

  415. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    The Administration refused to protect the Libyan Embassy when they asked for more guards. Then they made up some crap about “the video” after the terrorist attack. And now they keep lying to the parents of the victims – even when the video inspired mob scenario has been debunked.

  416. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    There were, at a minimum, 1.1 MILLION civilian deaths in Nazi Germany during World War II due to military activity and crimes against humanity.
    The Taliban cannot match that level of depravity.

  417. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    The Taliban cannot match that level of mostly white, mostly Christian, depravity.

  418. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Good point. It would be better if Blacks had their own nation in the Deep South. See? We can reason together. Blacks like you will be the Statesmen of the new Black Republic.
    In early Virginia, a law was passed forbidding Blacks to own White Slaves. But Free Blacks continued to have Black Slaves as did some Indians.
    I’ll come visit you in Atlanta in your palatial estate. You will have White Slaves – pc zombies who elect to stay in the Black Republic. Having White Slaves will be a status symbol. Once empowered, you will cease to be the mean spirited misanthrope that you are now and we will become the friends that we are meant to be.

  419. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    A study by Robert J. Lilly estimates that a total of 14,000 civilian women in England, France and Germany were raped by American GIs during World War II.

  420. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Once empowered, you will…
    Vlad, I am an anarchist and have no desire for power or money. I want to live simply and be anonymous (which is why CFN is perfect!)
    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” — Lord Acton

  421. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Yes, the Allied treatment of German Civilians was brutal in the extreme. The Germans were systematically starved. German women sold themselves to the Allied soldiers for candy bars. Footage exists of American Soldiers holding out food to children and then snatching it away as they reach for it. None of this was against orders as the Americans were forbidden to fraternize with the Germans as friends – unlike the situation in Japan.
    Too bad you missed the good war WSP! You would have enjoyed these activities very much.

  422. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    The Russian soldiers raped millions – they were ordered to rape by Kagonovitch. The Morrocan Allied soldiers raped hundreds of thousands of Italian women. Rape is a weapon – and has always been used by Africans. The British threatened to turn the Negroes loose on the Boer women and children they had in their camps.
    Ah, such a good Empire it was…always persecuting other Whites even as the non Whites under their rule waxed strong from Christian Compassion.

  423. dale October 11, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Black nurses are famous for their poor treatment of patients.
    I refuse to believe you do not understand that generalizations such as this are inherently ridiculous.
    You are clearly quite enamored of IQ tests. Is it your contention then, that the tests you took in school were always an accurate reflection of what you actually knew on the topic in question? How does one actually measure inherent ability, and does being raised in a household of strong achievers, and having a high IQ score, demonstrate native ability or aculturation, or both?
    Of course, I could waste my time shooting holes in your cherished and distorted assumptions all day, but why waste any more or my time.
    You would be much better served to simply spend a little time analyzing your views from a third party objective view point (to the extent that is possible). What is real and what is actually just a conceptual designation? What is valid cognition and what are just distorted perceptions?

  424. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

    So you love to kvetch, but if offered a chance to do something you would refuse it…
    It would be different if you were detached (a holy man) from the world, but you are passionately attached and avidly follow the issues. Not good, Soak, not good at all. A citizen must be willing to step forward – and that’s not the same as anonymous kvetching.

  425. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 2:13 pm #

    Valid perceptions? You mean like the state of Detroit, Haiti, Washington DC, Black Africa, and any other place Blacks are in control?
    Dale stop looking for specks in my eye and concern yourself about the log in your own.
    Also do you not believe in the Black Crime statistics? Why? Or do you grant yourself the right to disbelieve in anything that challenges your worldview?

  426. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    I used the word ‘Dean’. I meant useless execs.
    If I can I will find the exact term for thier job designation, be it Provost, Dean, Dept Chair.
    Fuk u ass-oka

  427. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    So you love to kvetch, but if offered a chance to do something you would refuse it…
    Exactly. Because I do not have enough wisdom to act and might generate unintended consequences. I prefer inaction.

  428. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    I used the word ‘Dean’. I meant useless execs.
    Say what you mean and mean what you say. Be honest.
    Otherwise you make me look like more of a fool than I am already.

  429. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    So its AOK for you to comment on music, but not us?
    heres some information worth considering!
    Foud at Huff post, if I recall coreectly:
    Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S. / Aid to Israel
    Grand Total
    Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
    Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
    Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
    Also in line for their welfare checks from ‘the dumb white folks’:
    Tanzania 531 43 $
    Ethiopia 580 84 $
    Nigeria 625 167
    Kenya 625 37

  430. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    I know what the President of SMC does, he pushes a ‘global agenda’ [with a handle of ‘chui tsang’, how could he not?].
    But what does the VP do?

  431. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    I will attempt to find the job designation / title.
    It may be Dept. Chair, Provost, Dean, …..

  432. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Hey WSP, That would probably be the Southwick Inn on the corner of 57 and 10, I have not been there in years, the last time my buddy played there. I think it may have changed owners a few times. I know guys at work go there all the time. Well it used to be guys at work, I’ve been in the wind for 5 months now. I actually live a little north of Southwick. Beaner is my daughter. She would flip if somebody called her that. I am the only person that does.

  433. anti soak October 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Asoka, SMC spends 10m to 50 ? M to build a building.
    And 80,000 $ for their ‘composter’, oops…
    Their sustainable Vermiculture bins.
    Lotta money for worm boxes!

  434. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

    I’ve already been there and looked at the official SMC organizational chart. You can add in the president, vice presidents, provosts, etc. and you still won’t get to 110 “deans” … BTW, it is not fair to add in dept. chairs because they also maintain a teaching load and are not “useless execs”
    Fuk u anti

  435. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    Prop 30 is a ballot initiative crafted by Gov. Brown that would impose higher income taxes on those earning in excess of $250,000 and allocate 89 percent of the temporary tax revenues to K-12 schools and 11 percent to community colleges.
    The money is there for the buildings. Don’t worry, be happy! Tax the rich! Educate the poor!

  436. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    “The Taliban cannot match that level of mostly white, mostly Christian, depravity.”
    I really do wish that you would quit pretending that the Muslim countries of the Middle East do not have their own unique history of bloodlust. So why didn’t they continue on into the modern era? They couldn’t. Their military technology was outpaced. It wasn’t until the discovery of oceans of oil there that western governments much cared what happened in the Middle East. So why didn’t the West just go in there and clean house? They didn’t have to. They were able to work out deals with the thugs governing the region. The west guaranteed their thuggish power, they guaranteed access to oil.
    I suspect that the regional Arab-Israeli wars fought between 1949 through 1973, in the guise of religious heritage and Palestinian identity, were really about control of the Suez Canal. Now, at this point, do feel free to expand the blog with your favorite conspiracy theories. But those wars all culminated in that “Oh, snap!” moment. An oil embargo. Well, whaddaya know. They figured out that there’s more than one way to fight a war.
    In 1979, thousands of political prisoners were executed in the Iranian Revolution. The bloodlust rears it’s ugly head. A few strategic victories have a tendency to embolden. From Ahmadinejad not so subtly hinting to the Israeli’s that “We will bury you! (copyright N. Krushchev) to Taliban enforcers putting a bounty on the head of a fourteen year old girl, the west is now faced with an uncomfortable realization:
    Damn, they’re just like us.

  437. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Their military technology was outpaced.
    Both the Jews and the Muslims in the Middle East have nuclear weapons, as do other non-Western countries like China, India, and North Korea.
    They have enemies. They have wars. They have nuclear weapons. But they are not as immoral as white Christians. They are not as bloodthirsty.
    They do not bomb and invade countries at will like the USA does. The USA does drone bomb, even in the sovereign territory of our “allies,” and we kill their civilians with impunity.

  438. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    They haven’t used them…yet.
    Do think that if bin Laden had figured out a way to kill ten million Americans that he would not have done so?

  439. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

    How’s this for living in the moment?
    The past has disappeared and the future doesn’t exist until we get there.
    Now isn’t that cool. The trailer for this movie closed with it and I liked it so much I had to bark it in here.
    “Middle of Nowhere” opens this week in Atlanta, Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia and Washington; and opens Oct. 19 in Berkeley, Calif., Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Miami and Seattle, with more cities to follow.
    An appropriate comment as we simmer and stew in doldrums of empty pageantry.

  440. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    Vote K-Dog.

  441. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    Here’s another name for you. Timothy McVeigh. As people on the bottom rungs of their respective social orders become increasingly under stress as they scramble for the last of the world’s resources, they will lash out, rightly or wrongly at the leaders that they think are responslible for their plight. So…no more prattling on about the righteous breeding away of cultures. N’kay?

  442. Widespreadpanic7 October 11, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    OK Rip, when I go back to the Cambridge Brew Pub I’ll ask for Beaner. I’ll say RipThunder from CFNation sent me. Will she know what I’m talking about? My wife’s been wanting me to take her out anyway, and that’s a good place to go. They’ll probably think I’m some sort of dangerous character. Maybe I can get Ozone to make an appearance. When does she work?

  443. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    We are at the time of the week when the two headed beast talks to itself. No appeal to reason or compassion can do anything but strengthen you. It will do nothing to them.
    Beware, the beast is here to drain your vital fluids which is exactly what will happen if you expect any change in attitude, behavior or understanding from Mr. Oil and Mr. Gas here for your efforts. To gain strength and prosper in this crucible of darkness you must be pure of heart and have a very firm grip on reality.
    Stay pure and real my friend. Choose your battles wisely for the adversary knows to keep their enemy moving and weary.

  444. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Timothy McVeigh: Christian terrorist
    Here is an interview in Time Magazine:
    Time: Are you religious?
    McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.
    Time: Do you believe in God?
    McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that’s as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that’s all they are looking for now.
    All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity.
    There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.

  445. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Timothy McVeigh:
    Another white Christian terrorist.
    USA history is full of them

  446. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    BTW, to illustrate your point, my 99 year-old mother who lives in Florida has had a 24-hour live-in home health care aide for several years. She is wonderful and probably is responsible for my mother living this long. She treats my mother kindly. She’s made my life infinitely easier because I don’t have to run down to Florida every time my mother needs something, and I don’t worry that she’s not being taken care of.
    My sister and I joke that when my mother passes, we want the aide to come north to take care of us.

  447. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Beaner is an undercover agent. This is a setup. You are already on the watch list. Don’t take unnecessary risks, especially with government spooks. They are everywhere, you know what I mean?

  448. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    You said “spooks”.

  449. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    1. Government intelligence agents
    2. Anyone involved in espionage.

  450. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    3. Nigras

  451. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    What dictionary lists that as the third definition?
    I think you are referring to a vulgar, racist slang.

  452. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    Read “Huckleberry Finn”. You’ll see it.

  453. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    I just searched the full text of the book. Here is the message I received:
    nigras matched 0 pages in this item
    It is not there.
    Here, you can do the search yourself.
    Meanwhile, I’ll tell you what I told anti and WSP7:
    Be honest.
    You are lying.

  454. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 5:19 pm #

    The Tea Party Congress, having, with Paul Ryan’s leadership, deeply cut funds for embassy security, held a hearing on Wednesday on the circumstances of the attack on Sept. 11, 2012, on the US consulate in Benghazi, in which it tried to point fingers at the State Department and the Obama administration.
    That’s right, the Republicans cut funds for embassy security, and now are blaming the State Department for laxity. –Juan Cole

  455. dale October 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    You know, I’m sure if we examined the criminal statistics of extreme racists, such as yourself, we would find that they demonstrate significantly higher rates of violent behavior than the population at large. I think you know what I’m saying, and however much you might what to deny it, you also know it’s true.
    What you should ask yourself is how you feel when you are experiencing your “white rage”. Does it make you feel good? Do you feel happy and pleased with yourself when you are experiencing anger, hatred and frustration? I don’t have to wait for the answer, you and I both know its pure suffering.
    In the final analysis it only matters to me as an issue of compassion, both relative and ultimate.
    With respect to ethics and morality the Dalai Lama once wrote:
    “The practice is non-violence
    the view is interdependence.”
    I think those eight words are adequate for guiding ones behavior in the simplest human interaction, yet sufficient to save mankind from itself. That’s eloquence.

  456. dale October 11, 2012 at 5:35 pm #

    So, what I’m saying is, if you want to suffer, Vlad’s a good role model for you. I you want to be happy, consider another model of thinking and behavior.

  457. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    Not so long ago, I urged all of you to begin your own archive. This is exactly why.

  458. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    You are citing a stage adaptation by Randal Myler, which has been modified. It is not the original work. Nice try. No cigar.

  459. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    Don’t be a boob.

  460. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Go back to Indiana.

  461. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    The pages are scanned and impossible to search. He yanked your chain and to think he does it for a measly 12K a year.

  462. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    Page 8
    Twice in one paragraph.

  463. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    I have a very old and fragile copy of “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” that was given to me by my grandmother. Believe me, that’s how the book was written. It’s already packed in a sealed box and I’m not going to take it out for this.
    Cuz I’s gwyne BLACK ta Injunana.

  464. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Somewhere in the mail a copy of “A Pen Warmed-Up in Hell” is traveling to my mailbox right now. I’ve looked for it two days in a row. When I expect a book I check the mail box every day. Bought for a penny plus $3.99 shipping on Amazon.
    It is not only his words which have been suppressed. Uncomfortable ideas have been swept under the rug too.

  465. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    Pages are rendered as native browser files, PDFs, and OCR text and they are searchable full text.

  466. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    I think that one of the reasons that the original language of Huck Finn is brilliant is that it illustrates the struggle in America for the races to achieve social equality. Much like some expressions, we use today, the expressions of that time were spoken without really even thinking about them. It’s what you were taught. But the bond between Huck and Jim stands out despite the attitudes of those times.

  467. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    Then you didn’t find it why?

  468. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    Yes, the relationship between Jim and Huck is lost without the original words.
    One of the characters in 1984 had some job at the ministry of truth dedicated to the removal of words from the language. A rich vocabulary allows the transmission of complex ideas I believe was the point.
    To be politically correct is to be politically dead.

  469. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    Because computer search engines are very precise. Xhalor said the word “nigra” appears. You say it appears on page 8, twice. Neither claim is true.
    Here is a direct link to page 8. The word “nigra” does not appear on page 8. Remember that search engines look for exact search strings.
    I am searching the 1917 edition, which was published before there was any controversy or any suppression of the original. What I cite above is the original.
    Twain, Mark. The adventures of Huckleberry Finn (Tom Sawyer’s comrade). New York : Harper & Bros., c1917.

  470. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    Oooops. I left out the link to page 8.
    I’ll take this opportunity to tell you, K-Dog, the same I have told WSP7, anti, and xhalor.
    Be honest.

  471. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    In retrospect, it appears you were wondering about the usage of “spooks”. Check definition #3 here:
    Why are you still going on about Twain? My family is from St. Louis and I have heard it from them starting with my great-grandmother until now. Apparently you think that this kind of editing doesn’t happen. Welcome to the USA.

  472. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    I couldn’t believe he was still going on about it.
    Then I realized.
    He is splitting hairs with ‘nigra’ instead of ‘xxxxxx’. The correct spelling of which I can’t use as the spam filter is programmed to catch it and ban the poor unfortunate who falls into Asoka’s trap.
    He’s sneeky pete.

  473. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    You said you were in Indiana dealing with family.
    xhalor replied to comment from Vlad Krandz | June 14, 2012 9:50 AM | Reply
    I am in Indiana right now dealing with some pretty messy family shit, so my heart isn’t really in it this week. You would still be well advised to put your broadsword to the sharpening wheel. I’m coming for you Vlad. Ya know I am.
    So you are not from Indiana?
    How old is your great-grandmother?
    Here is a search from the 1885 edition:
    nigra matched 0 pages in this item
    There is no five letter word “nigra” in the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. There are 84 pages with a similar six letter word.

  474. k-dog October 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Funny how so many can be so dishonest but you. OK daddy. Where did your sidekick go? One mention of Mr. Oil and Mr. Gas and poof he was gone.
    I’m going to the dog park.

  475. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    He is splitting hairs with ‘nigra’ instead of ‘xxxxxx’.
    Hey, dude, it’s not splitting hairs. It is using the word xhalor used. It is called being precise.
    I gave you the search engine link to the full-text source. I explained to you how search engines work to find character strings. That is not being a “sneeky pete.”

  476. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    I’m going to the recycling center before nigras get to my garbage cans first. I give ’em the green light if they beat me to it. Besides, I’ll be doing it soon enough myself. Maybe I can get some tips…

  477. daytrip October 11, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Yeah, but what does this have to do with Frank Zappa? Actually, that was the second Frank Zappa recommendation that I’ve had lately. Never listened to him much. Hot Rats is supposed to be a good album.

  478. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Enjoy the dog park. Sometime you should go to Daybreak at Discovery Park on Magnolia Hill. Lots of room to run free there.

  479. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    So in other words, everyone but Whites have the right to their own nations. And you think that is a program for metta world peace and you think the Dalai Lama agrees with you.
    And you think I’m deluded? Where is your compassion? The Bodhi Mind doesn’t pick and choose its objects of benevolence like that. You are very far from attaining unto That.

  480. Jim/PA October 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    I enjoyed your interview with Jack Spirko on the Survival Podcast today. Great interview. Wonder why it took so long since many of his listeners(me included)have followed your blog for years.

  481. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Everyone should have one right Beaner? Blacks in the old South owned slaves at twice the White rate.

  482. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 8:15 pm #

    That relationship between Jim and his young master wouldn’t be possible today. Such devotion would be seen as Uncle Tomish. Freedom per se (by itself as a bare fact) is wildly overated.
    Gays see their relationship as homoerotic. Progress?

  483. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    The enslavement of whites was a tragedy, an abomination, a morally condemnable act. Regardless of who did the enslaving in pre-modern times, with the arrival of modernity slavery was, and is now, outlawed by every country in the world.

  484. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    OK, Ernie Munster and Jo “Fightin” Bighten in 30 minutes.! I’m glad I got the dog walk in! Battle of the big brains! It should be interesting. At least as good as a a rerun of the “Walking Dead” on AMC!

  485. rippedthunder October 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    Hey Radu, don’t use Beaner as a
    derogatory term ! Beaner is a
    superlative used as a term of endearment for a kid that does’t eat her beans!

  486. xhalor October 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    So you go on about the data collection center in Utah and then expect me to answer these questions in a public forum?
    Not that it matters, and not that I owe you an explanation, but I do currently live in CA and was visiting in IN at that time. Since we’re digging out my posts from the past, find the ones where I tell you that I only TOLERATE you and your various online personalities at MY convenience.
    That’s rich, ding-dong. You questioning others about inconsistencies.

  487. asoka.. October 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    Good night, ayatollah xhalor.

  488. Jam47 October 11, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    Geopolitically speaking, the people who post on CFN are in the know. The Samson Option is therefore a phrase and an idea with which they will be familiar. For those not familiar: The Samson option is a last resort plan that’s been set up by the Israeli military; if Israel’s nuclear destruction is either imminent or an accomplished fact, Israel will return the favour by raining scores of its nuclear bombs and missiles on the capital cities of the Middle East and Europe.
    Now, do I know for certain that such a plan exists?

  489. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Glad you asked Dale. Poor White Appalachians score higher than upper middle class Black kids. How to explain this? Well IQ is mostly genetic. And there is also something called regression to the mean. Smart Black couples in Atlanta will have children whose IQ’s average lower than their’s. Regressing back to the Black average of 85.
    Same thing with crime: these somewhat wealthy Black neighborhoods have far more crime than similar income White neighborhoods. Likewise, poor White neighborhoods have far less crime than poor Black neighborhoods.

  490. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Oh I thought you were talking about Beantown…
    Sorry about your Cardinal – they are fine birds. Luckily the Lord notes even the sparrow that falls.

  491. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    I mispoke like Biden so often does – I meant to say Jews owned Black slaves at twice the White rate.
    I don’t know the Black rate – probably low since free Blacks weren’t that common down there. I think most came up North where they were more accepted.

  492. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    I’d like to see your source for such a claim – and not from one of your nazi-like authors, but from a provable source.

  493. Jam47 October 11, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    (Here I go again. This time to the end.)
    Geopolitically speaking, the people who post on CFN are in the know. The Samson Option is therefore a phrase and an idea with which they will be familiar. For those not familiar: The Samson option is a last resort plan that’s been set up by the Israeli military; if Israel’s nuclear destruction is either imminent or an accomplished fact, Israel will return the favour by raining scores of its nuclear bombs and missiles on the capital cities of the Middle East and Europe.
    Now, do I know for certain that such a plan exists? Of course not. And since none of Israel’s leaders has ever publicly admitted to Israel possessing nuclear weapons, they can’t admit to a plan in which such weapons are the sine qua non. But while the big shots of Israel’s establishment are obliged to keep their lips sealed, university professors are not.
    Martin van Creveld (Wikipedia): “We have the capacity to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that will happen before Israel goes down.”
    David Perlmuttar (Wikipedia): “What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a nuclear winter?”
    I can half-understand Jewish antipathy towards the goyim. But if Israel’s Jews were to take out Europe they would be killing tens of thousands of their own kind.
    To plan an action is one thing. To effect that plan is another, especially when the point of that plan is the ruination of European civilisation–as well as Middle-Eastern–and the murder of tens of millions of people.
    The Samson option probably doesn’t exist. But reading about it is sure to give the Armaggedon-minded a goosebump-raising thrill. Just like the one they get when reading doomer blogs.

  494. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    I’m reading a most interesting book by Peter Janney, whose father was high up in the CIA. Although I haven’t finished the book, “Mary’s Mosaic”, the basic premise is that the CIA orchestrated JFK’s assassination, and a year later, his lover, Mary Pinchot Meyer.
    The reason why is very interesting: Janney claims that the military and the CIA were interested in extending America’s hegemony after WWII, whereas Kennedy was for world peace, so he had to go. There’s a lot of talk about one-world government backers in the 1940’s.
    If the story is true, America has been sold down the river by very powerful men. Janney lists tons of citations for every claim he makes. Since I haven’t finished reading the book, I haven’t yet vetted out his sources, but I will – at least a random sampling of them.
    I was wondering if any CFNers have read the book, and if so, do they have any comments?

  495. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    I believe Israel could have some sort of Samson Option, but I don’t think it would include Europe – that would be unnecessary. Remember, that option would be used only after Israel gets attacked, and Europe isn’t threatening Israel.
    There’s been a lot of talk about the Israelis attacking Iran, but until that actually happens, I believe it’s just posturing. Israel, and now Iran (as the latest Islamic enemy) are like two gorillas in the clearing pounding their chests.
    Supposedly, in the 1967 war, Israel contacted King Hussein of Jordan by phone and told him that if Israel were to be defeated, it would make the Jordan River radioactive, and the Nile, as well. I don’t know if this story is true.

  496. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    And of course anyone who said it would be “a Nazi” by definition. There is no use arguing with most Jews since logic and evidence take 2nd place to tribal loyalty.
    Some Jews do better, but I have yet to see you say one negative thing about any Jew or Jewish Organization, at anytime or anyplace. Are you willing to condemn Jews for threatening Europe with nuclear weapons?

  497. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    How ’bout this for a business idea: Custom-Made Glass Eyes?
    You could have brand-name glass eyes, like Piaget, Chanel, Coach, Versace glass eyes?
    People would walk up to you and say: “I really admire your glass eye!”
    Or how ’bout Custom-Made Designer Prosthetic Arms and Legs? (By the way, what happens when you wear an arm hook on a crowded subway?)
    Or how about Custom-Made Designer artificial teeth, hearing aids, or even wigs and hair peices?
    Or, better yet, Custom-Made Designer skin grafts?!

  498. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    How ‘come the New Zealand possum fir industry never took off?

  499. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 10:46 pm #

    Kennedy struck me as being all over the place – a work in progress perhaps. He talked about disarming America in favor of the U.N. Obviously some people may have taken an exceedingly dim view of that. But some say that he was also onto the Banking Scam – and we know that those people will kill. Look at how Huey Long was gunned down by a Jewish Dentist.

  500. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    It would be really cool if people could borrow each other’s eyes. So cool that people would start having one of their “real” eyes removed just so they could get in on this glass bead game.

  501. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    I went to the doctor yesterday.
    He asked me: “What’s wrong”?
    I said: “Well Doc…I got a pain here, a pain here, and a pain here.”
    The Doctor replied: “Well…you’re middle-aged. It’s perfectly normal to have lots of pain.”
    He didn’t give me any pain killers.

  502. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    Do you remember that weirdo, homosexual serial killer in the movie “Silence of the Lambs”?
    He had that startup business making dresses out of young, fat girls’ skins.
    He was a bit of an entrepreneur, and, perhaps, a bit ahead-of-his-time.

  503. dale October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    You lost that debate hands down, as you usually do, but it’s not about who wins or loses, it about your own happiness and suffering, and you know what I’m saying is true.

  504. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    I tell ya’…with all of this pain going around we should start an opium growing business!
    Is there any way to grow opium underground in a cave or an abandoned iron ore mine?
    Or can one grow opium underwater?

  505. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm #

    How ‘come all of the really useful plants, like mariguana (rope, oils, soaps, clothing, high protein seeds, etc.) and opium (pain killer) are all illegal to grow, while all of the really dangerous pharmaceutical drugs are legal?

  506. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    In may ways, I guess that one could be largely self-sufficient if one grew marijuana? You’d have edible oils, high protein seeds, fiber for rope, clothing and making shelter and furniture. It’d be a must-have plant, like opium.

  507. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    I condemn the men who said that.

  508. beantown bill October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    If you can find it, read the book. It is very interesting.

  509. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    In the post-collapse world, as long as you grow marijuana and opium, you’ll be fine since you’ll have plenty of useful products to barter with. But you’ll still need guns and bullets. It might be useful to have a large stockpile of raw lead from which to make bullets?

  510. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    Young France says no to the Asokas, the Bills, the Kdogs, and Xhalors and all those who would deny them their Heritage born from the Blood of a thousand generations.
    It seems that the rays of the Golden Dawn have reached France. This sun rises in the West.

  511. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    No you lost since you had no answers to the questions I posed. Trying to attack me personaly is an ad hominem and forbidden by the rules of debate.

  512. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    The Russians are a strange bunch of folks.
    I read an article the other day about the growing popularity in Russia of “non-lethal” handguns that fire rubber bullets.
    What was strange was that it seems that in Russia some people think that it’s o.k. to use these weapons to shoot other people in the head, which typically results in death.

  513. Radu Voda October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    Thank you. One Pam Geller is saying it too in New York. She’s behind the ads on subways about how barbarous Muslims are (true) and how great Israel is (not true).
    No one asked Europeans if they wanted millions of Muslims. That was decided for them by the Elite – and the Jews were heavily in favor. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

  514. SteveFtGreene October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Please forgive my off-topic comment. I miss the KunstlerCast and hope that a way will be found to start it up again.

  515. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

    So, it seems that the Russian government has embarked upon a campaign to “educate” people on how to use “non-lethal” handguns properly so that they don’t kill people.

  516. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

    I’m thinking of throwing-in-the-towel and giving-it-all-up to move permanently into a large, hot air balloon.
    How much would it cost to either buy a used Goodyear Blimp, or build one?
    I bet that blimps are very energy efficient?
    In a blimp, it’d be easy to keep the hordes of marauding tatooed rednecks at bay.

  517. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    In a post-collapse world, I suspect that the rednecks will quickly take over the countryside, right? The blacks will withdraw to the cities, which will become prisons like in that Kurt Russell movie “Escape from New York”.
    The Chinese people will continue to be Chinese people.

  518. Pucker October 11, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    What about the idea of a “Franchise Sex Shop”?
    Do people generally have standardized sexual perversions such that they would find value in a sex shop offering a standardize service and product knowing a priori that the franchise shop would be able to satisfy their particular sexual perversion?
    I assume that no one would want to go into a sex shop and come out an unsatisfied customer?

  519. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Shouldn’t the proper definition of the word “optimism” be?: “The delusional state of mind necessary to keep one from screaming.”

  520. anti soak October 12, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    I think it was 20X.
    If the # are correct. 1 or 2% of US population Jewish and 40% of slavers Jewish.

  521. anti soak October 12, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    ‘How to explain this?”
    Affirmative Action. You have read TBC?
    Did you know almost half of Freddie / Fannie employees are people of color?

  522. k-dog October 12, 2012 at 12:53 am #

    After watching the debate tonight I come to the conclusion that neither candidate understands all dogs eat. P. Ryan who would look real sharp in a black SS uniform understands that the economy can grow enough to feed his dogs but other dogs get left out. J. Biden says that is not good enough and middle class dogs should eat too.
    Neither has a plan for Camden N.J. or Pine Ridge S.D. but both know more about the Afghan war than the generals do and both do accounting in their spare time.
    Too bad neither understands that the president and VP should look out for all dogs and make sure everyone eats.
    Biden does better on talking about freedom of religion than Ryan does. Ryan understands that freedom means that he gets to do what he wants and in particular that religious freedom means that everyone should live like devout Catholics do because he is one. Everyone should be free to do what they are told apparently, except for deciders like himself who are free to tell others how to live. Two kinds of freedom, everybody’s free, and every village gets an idiot.
    Both belief in growth. I assume this means that both also believe in magic and wishful thinking.
    If either talked about jobs and getting people back to work I missed it. I was interrupted a few times.
    K-Dog for president.

  523. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    Joe Biden: “With all due respect, what the Congressman said is a bunch of malarkey.”

  524. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 12:58 am #

    A.S. said: “Did you know almost half of Freddie / Fannie employees are people of color?”
    What do you mean by “people of color”? Do you mean “Colorful People”?

  525. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    Reggie Love….

  526. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    Did you hear about the poor, unfortunate kid who got dressed up as a ghost in a white sheet and white hood and who went trick-or-treating on Halloween in a black neighborhood?

  527. k-dog October 12, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    Yes, but in relative terms he was clear as a bell.

  528. xhalor October 12, 2012 at 1:16 am #

    “Good night, ayatollah xhalor.”
    In case anyone was wondering, there is my mother’s side of my family and my father’s. Pretty normal arrangement for the children of heterosexual couples. Since this did not occur to Ding-Dong, I think that we can safely conclude that said poster is, in fact, reptillian.
    I would advise you all not to put to much personal information about yourself out into cyber space. And it’s not because of the NSA. For fuck’s sake they already have that level of information about you coming from the IP address you are using.
    It’s because of creeps like you Ding-Dong. Once you dug up a post that old and starting asking questions about my family, you crossed the line.
    Good Night? How about good bye.

  529. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:32 am #

    For fuck’s sake they already have that level of information about you coming from the IP address you are using.
    You mean when I go to a public library computer and then use a web proxy server that acts as an intermediary for requests from clients seeking resources from other servers, the fucking NSA knows which public library and which terminal I am at?
    Guess again, ayatollah. The NSA doesn’t know shit.

  530. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:40 am #

    Use our free proxy to surf anonymously online, hide your IP address, secure your internet connection, hide your internet history, and protect your online identity… even from the fucking NSA. Use our free proxy to surf websites anonymously in complete privacy. Hide your IP address (‘online fingerprint’) and route your internet traffic through our anonymous proxy servers.

  531. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:58 am #

    Paul Ryan demonstrated he is not ready to become president, and should not be one heartbeat away from the presidency.

  532. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 2:49 am #

    “…one heartbeat away from the presidency.”
    One heartbeat away from being totally irrelevant.

  533. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 2:51 am #

    I’ve got a stupid question:
    Why is it that hemp/marijuana the plant is illegal rather than the chemical THC that is the drug?
    Shouldn’t THC be illegal rather than the plant?

  534. Pucker October 12, 2012 at 2:53 am #

    I read somewhere that the top secret nuclear launch code under former President George W. Bush, Jr was 000000000000 (that should be twelve zeros).
    I’m not making this up.

  535. XXX5 October 12, 2012 at 2:54 am #

    On October 11 Asoka made THIRTY-EIGHT posts here. Given that most users respond to this pox, probably some SEVENTY posts on Thursday were either by him or a reply to him.
    When are you dumb fucks going to realize that this is no longer a blog? It’s a forum for sophistry like his bullshit about Christian Identity and Tim McVeigh. He only succeeds in getting an audience because of the knee-jerk liberal dumb fucks on the site who think it’s okay that everyone from blacks to Chinese look out for their own but if Honkie does it it’s a gateway drug to genocide.
    He also points to all the deaths of German citizens in WWII. Hey, in Africa a million deaths is just their way of saying “top of the morning to ya, mate!!”. That Continent has NEVER been at peace and the only reason the ongoing genocides get little coverage is because the Hebe media don’t want to call attention to their slum renters and their genetic legacy.
    So keep letting fuckface hog the blog like he did on Thursday. Haven’t you noticed that even Being There is fading out totally?

  536. k-dog October 12, 2012 at 3:31 am #

    Thanks JIM/PA
    I just finished listening to it in my garage. I’ve got good speakers hooked up there.
    A most excellent interview where Jim meets someone who is not clueless and on the same page as some dogs here, resulting in a great talk.
    All dogs in the reality party should listen.
    Kunstler on the Long Emergency
    Regarding events here:
    In the bigger picture the nonsense which is due (in my opinion) to something more than the simple momentum described in Jim’s interview is insignificant. Like the millions and billions of stars were to Carl Sagan the posts here will fade to insignificance as the real problems that future brings become real.
    In ten years those of us left won’t even remember Asoka and the Oil and Gas Lobby he represented.
    The past has disappeared and the future won’t happen until we arrive. The decisions we now make shapes what happiness that future will bring.
    From what I’ve heard long sequences of DNA code junk in between which smaller parts of DNA that do the work of creating life exist. So it is with this blog. Ignore the junk and find the true believers. It is annoying I know but that’s the way it is.
    In the future we won’t stop trying to grow food because someone might wind up stealing it. It is not necessary to stop posting and reading this blog either. If you listen to the podcast what I just wrote will make a lot of sense.

  537. Radu Voda October 12, 2012 at 3:56 am #

    Succesful polar bear hunt. Enjoy!

  538. Radu Voda October 12, 2012 at 4:32 am #

    The Golden Dawn only feeds Greek dogs. Greece is for Greeks after all. Those other dogs have to go home. That is the real platform for peace in the multiverse.
    To believe in a Universe, a single all comprehensive reality, is the essence of Fascism in the invidious sense. And to seek to impose that reality on other realities, universes, and cultures in a prescription for endless war.
    Men want peace, but they do not desire the things that make for peace. In this you are typical and not a leader but a mere member of the pack.

  539. Widespreadpanic7 October 12, 2012 at 7:03 am #

    Yesterday afternoon I was up around Bradley International Airport. Headed west on Rt.189 I pulled up behind an SUV. Written on the rear window, in large white letters, “K-Dog for President”.
    The word must be getting out.

  540. Widespreadpanic7 October 12, 2012 at 7:12 am #

    Going back 120 years the 1st frost in this part of New England occurs between Oct. 10-Oct. 13. This year the first frost will be on Oct. 12. I was wondering why, in light of the catastrophic Global Warming that has descended upon us, the date of this event hasn’t moved further into October?

  541. beantown bill October 12, 2012 at 9:55 am #

    Marlin, whether or not there is global warming depends on longer term data than just one day (frost). BTW, it was 37 degrees in Boston just a short while ago.
    My own feeling is that if there is global warming, New England will have colder winters and warmer summers. Go figure.

  542. rippedthunder October 12, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Mornin’ WSP, I don’t think I will get a freeze tonight. The basil will let me know in the AM. I think I am located on a magma bubble. I am always late to the Mr. Freeze party. I’ll get back to ya with a report.

  543. Widespreadpanic7 October 12, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    Hey BTBill that was a pretty good post you had yesterday on the Israel-Iran situation. Last night on BBC they ran a lengthy report on the real economic distress going on in Iran right now. Their currency is next to worthless. Thanks to Netanyahu’s tough stance Iran has learned Israel is not to be trifled with. Ahmadinijad’s term comes to an end pretty soon; my guess is that his replacement will take a more reasonable stance toward Israel and to building nuclear weapons. Then things can get smoothed over.

  544. Widespreadpanic7 October 12, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    They’re talking freeze tonight, Rip, and freeze tomorrow for the start of the UCONN football game. Maybe that Pioneer Valley insulates you a little bit.

  545. dale October 12, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    NSA knows which public library and which terminal I am at?
    Guess again, ayatollah. The NSA doesn’t know shit.
    Really Asoka, I suspect the “library” has cameras watching their on-line computers, I’d be surprised if they don’t. If they want you they will find you. Ever notice how bank robberies have declined drastically? Cameras everywhere.

  546. rippedthunder October 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    Dale says ,
    “Ever notice how bank robberies have declined drastically? Cameras everywhere. ”
    Heck Dale, I even had a camera up my ass about six months ago. Luckily the Doc didn’t find any terrorists or he would have called for a drone strike! ;o)

  547. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    A camera cannot capture data entry on all the library terminals.
    I think the level of paranoia on CFN is over the top. On the other hand, what would they want with a fool like me who is a pacifist/anarchist who meditates?
    That reminds of another paranoid conspiracy predicated on CFN by some in 2007: the FEMA camps. Here we are five years later and we have not been rounded up by Obama and put in FEMA camps. Maybe Obama is waiting for his second term? LOL!

  548. xhalor October 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    Pay that mental midget no mind. The trend is for public libraries to have systems that make you log in by swiping your library card. The libraries where I am going are like that. Not so much in LA. They don’t have enough money to install them in every branch (these systems do exist in some branches) and even if they did, there is not enough local law enforcement to make it an effective deterrent to “questionable” communications.
    I can remember that during first reporting of the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman debacle, I posted the broad history of my entire family as it moved around America. But that history did not include any recent movements of myself or my relatives.
    I have been in close company with some real scam artists for the last ten years. I know some of their tricks and confidence building schemes. Been burned by a couple of them myself.
    Xhalor out.

  549. xhalor October 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    One more thing. Do you really know what software are loaded on those proxy servers and what entities they may be communicating with?

  550. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    More evidence the level of paranoia on CFN is over the top. Many libraries do not use any kind of “swipe” system… especially small rural libraries.
    “Scam artists” are everywhere!

  551. Radu Voda October 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    Maybe we can starve a million or so of their children to death like we did in Iraq. And the embargo of Germany by World Jewry – that worked out real good too, eh? You do know Jews had embargoed Germany for years before Germans did the same to them in Germany. Somehow that’s been left out of the textbooks.
    Does it bother you that Israel has missiles pointed at Europe? Or do you completely repudiate your heritage in favor of these ruthless aliens?
    You obviously don’t care about the United States since the attack on the Liberty doesn’t bother you. Nor I assume their terrorism against us in Egypt in an attempt to get us into that war. Thank God that at least some Americans are waking up – you’ll be among the last no doubt.

  552. xhalor October 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Once again, ding-dong, more talking out of the side of your neck. Who knows why you would want to continue to publicly display your ignorance.
    Here’s the best spy in the world. A little old lady slowly walking down the sidewalk with that big shopping bag. Don’t really pay any attention to her do you. Are you sure that was a lady? Did you get a good look? What’s in the bag?
    Makes you wonder about a Hoosier/Muslim/Atheist/Pacifist that advocates “reconquista”.
    Fuckin’ numbskull.

  553. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    Makes you wonder about a Hoosier/Muslim/Atheist/Pacifist that advocates “reconquista”.
    That is just my cover. I really work for the NSA, and we have our eye on you, Mr. Xhalor.

  554. xhalor October 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Blow me

  555. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Paul “Taliban” Ryan said: “I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do.”
    Ryan thereby revealed that the concept of separation of church and state is alien to him.
    Ryan is in perfect alignment with the Taliban.

  556. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    Aren’t Ryan and Romney supposed to be conservatives?
    Aren’t they supposed to believe in the idea of smaller government and less interference in people’s lives? Don’t they believe in the concept of religious freedom?
    You wouldn’t know it by Ryan’s answers last night.
    Ryan was dictating to people of other faiths, or no faith, what they can do in the most intimate part of their lives. Ryan wants to impose legal restrictions on every woman, telling her what she can and cannot do, based on his own personal religious beliefs. It’s a Republican war on women.

  557. asoka.. October 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Your sexual preferences are part of your profile.

  558. k-dog October 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    And now after several messages from our corporate distractors we return to the Long Emergency now in progress.

  559. k-dog October 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Get the word out.
    K-Dog for president.
    Thanks for that Widespread. While virtue is its own reward a bit of positive feedback makes for a better day. Intelligent life may exist in the universe after all, something easily forgotten in this Empty Pageant.

  560. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Dear oh dear. Where DO we start? Let’s just get to the nuts of the issue.
    The outcome: the Japanese surrendered unconditionally and they’ve been good little doobies ever since.
    Q 1: Do you have a problem with this outcome? If so, why?
    Q 2: Would you rather have had the Japanese rest up and refurbish and continue on their campaign of conquest, rape and murder? If so, why?
    We can’t wait to hear your replies.

  561. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    Know what? I was thinking earlier that maybe we should just set aside some issues. But on second thought let’s not.
    So maybe you SHOULD tell us: Do you think that nukes were dropped in 1945 out of the blue, just for the hell of it? You know, for fun. You know, because maybe some people just wanted to see the world burn.
    So why do you want to revise history? Why do you never take into account historical circumstance? Why is it that you look at the nuclear bombings in isolation?
    And you seem never to have a problem with Japanese military actions. And atrocities. Until you’re verbally bludgeoned by me that is. Why is this?
    And then your denunciations sound rather thin. Like you’re really not putting your back into it. Why is this?
    The tens of millions of people killed and wounded and raped by the Japanese just don’t seem to matter to you. Why? Please explain your seeming lack of concern. Is it because these poor bastards were mostly Asian? Do you have a problem with Chinese and Filipinos and Koreans? In your mind are they not really people? In your estimation are they inferior? Do their lives not matter?
    And especially you don’t seem to have a problem with the fact that allied bombing raids killed 900,000 Japanese cilvilians BEFORE the nukes were dropped because you never mention it. Why is this? Be honest. This IS an anonymous blog.
    You talk about military lives. What about civilian lives? Do you just gloss over the millions of Japanese civilians that Japanese military leaders were prepared to sacrifice and see die in the event of an allied invasion of the main islands? Do those millions not matter in your mind? If so, why?
    I don’t want to put words in your mouth. So just tell us in your own way. You don’t have to write essays. Brief explanations will suffice.

  562. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    Buck, if I was Italian I might have taken offence. But I’m not. So I didn’t.

  563. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    No, its hard for me to imagine them (the Ten Commandments) being written by anyone other than ancient Middle Eastern tribesmen. – Dale
    We’re not sure where you’re coming from on this. Please elaborate.

  564. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    That’s interesting. I’d never heard of the relationship between the Ten Cs and Hammurabi’s Code. I vaguely remember someone writing about a possible tie between the Ten Cs and something the Hittites wrote. Or maybe it was a connection between the Hittites and some other Biblical writing. My memory is foggy on this.
    When you say that elements of H’s Code were passed down from Abe to Moses do you mean that there is archeological evidence – like a trail of inscriptions that show an evolution between Point A and Point B – that support this? Are there other contemporary ancient non-biblical written sources that comment on these matters? I’m curious as to how they drew connections.

  565. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm #

    Yes an anarchist that says he draws social security payments. To the barricades!

  566. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    What about the theory of Cuba costing Kennedy his life and Krushchev his job? Meaning JFKs inability to boot out Castro and Nikita’s climb down in the Cuban missile crisis.

  567. Rhino October 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

    Are you proposing an Assoka boycott?