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I won’t waste more than this sentence in arguing that official policy for the treatment of juvenile illegal immigrants is exactly what it was under Mr. Obama, and Mr. Bush before him. I didn’t hear Paul Krugman of The New York Times hollering about the various federal agencies acting “like Nazis” back in 2014, or 2006. You’d think that ICE officers were taking these kids out behind the dumpster and shooting them in the head. No, actually, the kids are watching Marvel Comics movies, playing video games, or soccer, and getting three square meals a day while the immigration officials try to figure out who their parents are, or how to repatriate them to their countries-of-origin if they came here without any parents — say, with the assistance of the Sinaloa Drug Cartel. By the way, these make up the majority of kids detained in the latest wave of mass border crossings.

Actual political leadership among “the Resistance” is AWOL this week. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer failed to offer up any alternative legislative plan for sorting out these children differently. One can infer in the political chatter emanating from the Offendedness Cartel that immigration law is ipso-facto cruel and inhuman and that the “solution” is an open border. In theory, this might play to the Democratic Party’s effort to win future elections by enlisting an ever-growing voter base of Mexican and Central American newcomers. But it assumes that somehow these newcomers get to become citizens, with the right to vote in US elections — normally an arduous process requiring an application and patience — but that, too, is apparently up for debate, especially in California, where lawmakers are eager to enfranchise anyone with a pulse who is actually there, citizen or not.

Krugman of The Times really hit the ball out of the park today with his diatribe comparing US Immigration enforcement to the Nazis treatment of the Jews. As a person of the Hebrew persuasion myself, I rather resent the reckless hijacking of this bit of history for the purpose of aggrandizing the sentimentally fake moral righteousness of the Resistance. It actually diminishes the enormity of the Nazi campaign against European Jews. I daresay that commentary like Krugman’s will only serve to amplify a growing resentment of Jewish intellectuals in this country — including myself, increasingly the target of anti-Jewish calumnies and objurgations. You’d think that Mr. Trump had offered to blow up Ellis Island the way the Resistance is clamoring to pull down statues of Thomas Jefferson.

One also can’t fail to notice that this latest hysteria was ginned up the very same week that the Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz and FBI Director Christopher Wray testified in congress about the gross and astounding misconduct in the executive suites of those sister agencies — literally a bastion of the Resistance (or Deep State bureaucracy). Some kind of giant worm is turning in that circle of the three-ring-circus US politics has become. A lot of the characters who politicized the FBI — turned it into a chop-shop for election campaign shenanigans — will be headed for grand juries and some of them maybe even jail. It may be the sort of jail in the federal system that offers ping pong and bocce ball, but it won’t be the same as practicing law on K Street in a wainscoted office with coffered ceilings and lunch of poulet chasseur sent up from the brasserie downstairs. Those confined will have plenty of time to commiserate with the kids from south-of-the-border who were dragged into the USA one way or another by people who didn’t care what happened to them, or reckon on it if they did care.

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435 Responses to “Don’t Cry for Me, Rachel Maddow”

  1. cj969 June 22, 2018 at 9:54 am #

    Immigration laws are good. Enforcing them is good.

    But if the hill you’ve chosen to die on is “baby jails are good”, you need to ask yourself how far from the pack you’ve strayed.

    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 10:23 am #

      Framing. “Baby jails?”

    • TravisB June 22, 2018 at 10:35 am #

      Yea, you’d better hope no one ever maker erroneous inferrer jails.

    • Jigplate June 22, 2018 at 10:36 am #

      The disingenuous hypocracy at work here is astounding. I simply cannot remember anything in my lifetime that resembles the goebbelesque hysterical disinformation campaign that is being waged by the left. It almost seems as if there is a “deep state media liaison” office where Time, NYT, CNN, MSNBC et al can coordinate with the DNC to get their talking points straight. I dont know which is worse, the agitprop of the leftist deep state media, or the fact that so many of the lumpenprols are swallowing it.

      • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 4:54 pm #

        Disinformation began at wh/potus –
        2k immigrants do not threaten the security of usa –
        Fear mongering by oligarchy is treasonous –
        And …
        Psychopathic AG and SoS and boltOn continue charade of hate and fear –
        Yes, the world is not fair –
        The world’s people can be compassionate –
        Children ~ all children ~ are our future.

        • Zoltar June 22, 2018 at 8:08 pm #

          Thanks for that load of sentimentality, minus any argumentation or, for that matter, cognition.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 1:18 am #

            Baby Jails! They want to lock us up in a Womper Woom of the mind.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 1:19 am #

          No, only our children are our future. It’s by definition. The children of the invaders are our Ending.

        • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 1:35 am #

          >>> 2k immigrants do not threaten the security of usa

          Depends on the immigrants. In any case, the number is not 2k. Try one million immigrants per year. That’s basically an invasion force.

      • babbat June 23, 2018 at 9:17 am #

        Does anyone wonder why the deep state is so friggin supportive of the “new left’s ” agenda’s. By taking a full on anti – Trump stance but hypocritically claiming his treatment is any different from his predecessors strikes me as bizarre to say the least . I hate to sound paranoiac but it’s hard not to given our circumstances. What the hell is going on? Do they need a fall guy? Or does this go even deeper knowing, that they use a strategic analyses of operational psychologists. Bear in mind the German army produced a strategic warning about peak oil over 10 years ago. Is this the U.S ‘s form of crisis management. If anyone has any workable theories I’d love to hear.

        • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 1:46 pm #

          The “deep state” didn’t expect Hillary to lose. So they acted unlawfully in support of her presidency. Now they want a divided polity unable to investigate or prosecute them.

          It’s really that simple. I don’t even think ideology plays into it.

      • Reality Check 1 June 29, 2018 at 4:51 pm #

        Yes, and you are breathing in the disinformation Faux Nation serves up to you every night. The Obama administration DID NOT have any thing close to the separation of families as the Trump ruling machine is performing at the border.



    • erik June 22, 2018 at 11:04 am #

      You and a number of other people are getting “red pilled” by all this bullshit from the “resistance”. That bunch of clowns is doing a good job of ensuring a second term for Trump.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:35 pm #

        How dare you put quotation marks around resistance. We ARE the Le Resistance. You ARE the Establishment. You support everything the Media tells you to support – including the open borders which will end us as a nation.

    • tdarr1234 June 22, 2018 at 11:59 am #

      Tender age internment camps?

    • draupnir June 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm #

      So where are we supposed to put them? We don’t allow the children of felons to accompany their parents into prison, as was once the case (remember “Little Dorrit?)and is still the case in some countries. Our own felons must leave their children behind to the gentle ministrations of foster care providers. Why all the sentiment about illegal immigrant children who have probably never had it so good? Baby jails indeed! Those people had been warned. I’m sorry Trump folded.

      • Tate June 22, 2018 at 4:38 pm #

        Trump folded & it’s emboldened the lunatic Left. Mexican Marxist presidential candidate Lopez Obrador who is the frontrunner in the upcoming election July 1 is now calling mass immigration across U.S. borders a right for all North Americans (meaning all Mexican & Central American nationals).

        “And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.” Obrador previously proposed granting amnesty to Mexican drug cartels.

        And soon, very soon, once the word gets out how truly weak our resolve is, expect a swelling flood of millions. A day of reckoning is fast approaching.

        • michics June 22, 2018 at 5:30 pm #

          This is payback for the recent bullshit of Mexico to pay for a wall and the U.S. stealing the Texas, New Mexico, Arizona territories from Mexico 150 years ago. That,s what the battle at the Alamo was all about.

          • Tate June 22, 2018 at 6:02 pm #

            Thanks for the history lesson, let’s go back to the Papal Bull of 1493 of Alexander VI splitting the New World between Spain & Portugal along the 100th meridian. This could get very tiresome, all the claims & counterclaims. People have been “stealing” other peoples’ land for millennia. I guess if your people can take it, it’s yours but don’t expect there won’t be hard feelings, leading to more than hard feelings.

          • lbs June 22, 2018 at 7:54 pm #

            Yeah, a great historic injustice, one imperialist defeating another imperialist.

      • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 5:01 pm #

        potus did NOT fold;
        Its minders/puppetmaster called the scene; this gets your picture on the screen many more times, little boy!
        Therein lies the reason for the lies.
        potus is not about usa ~ potus is about potus, and about anyone who will buckle under its bullying psychopathy.

      • hineshammer June 22, 2018 at 5:03 pm #

        Again, without throwing support to either side, entering this country illegally is a MISDEMEANOR, NOT A FELONY, so your equivalency is false.

        • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 8:32 pm #

          8 U.S. Code § 1325 – Improper entry by alien

          (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

          Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

      • Reality Check 1 June 29, 2018 at 4:54 pm #

        American felons leave their children behind to relatives dummie.

  2. RobH June 22, 2018 at 10:05 am #

    It’s better, whatever was or wasn’t the case under previous presidents, if children of illegal immigrants can stay with or near their parents before being deported

    It likely wasn’t the kids idea to think the US offered a better life, so it seems harsh that they should suffer the most. They’re children

    There is a lot of overacting both from Trump’s tweets and the opposition
    It’s all too frantic

    Perhaps if US TV programmes and films seen overseas (or over-desert) depicted a little more life ‘as it is’ for the majority in the states, rather than glamour of the rich and famous, then it wouldn’t be such an attractive dream

    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 10:13 am #

      Perhaps if US TV programmes and films seen overseas (or over-desert) depicted a little more life ‘as it is’ for the majority in the states, rather than glamour of the rich and famous, then it wouldn’t be such an attractive dream

      Great points.

      • SpeedyBB June 22, 2018 at 1:41 pm #

        ‘…rather than glamour of the rich and famous…’ Ain’t that the truth. I just spent 6 weeks in Saigon, in a friendly but grimly industrial suburb in the north part of the metropolis, and the adoration of all things American is astonishing. Particularly considering that, ahem, unpleasantness goaded on by Uncle’s minions which happened some, ah, twelve hundred years ago or so (in the young Vietnamese I met and talked to it was like that – no interest or awareness whatsoever).

        The American media blitz continues to do an astoundingly effective job, though when you get down to it it is black basketball players and honey blonde pop stars, along with other frivolities, that make up their picture of Uncle’s land of milk’n’honey.

        In one of my incarnations as an informal consultant on international study I tactfully but pointedly point out that while the quality of study in the USA is still excellent, one’s study can be seriously derailed by all the social elements in the swirl. Particularly in big cities. Foreign students have to deal with study materials in a foreign language. To pass exams they are on the beam 24 / 7. They don’t need to have to worry whether they’ll get carjacked, beaten by the fuzz or raped on the way to the wash-a-teria.

        I point out how Australia or Canada are all-around better deals for a foreign degree. Often fruitlessly.

        • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 8:39 pm #

          ” I just spent 6 weeks in Saigon”

          Is Ace’s Rub and Tug still located down by the Continental?

    • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 5:03 pm #

      Agreed – tell/show/demonstrate TRUTH,

  3. Paulo June 22, 2018 at 10:08 am #

    I know now you don’t have children. If you did, or had grandchildren, you would have been profoundly affected by the separation of children from their parents.

    Okay, they are not shooting them in the head behind the dumpster. Oh, so taking kids away must be okay then? Talk about making a false arguement in order to attack the lefties. Unbelieveable.

    The easiest solution to this whole shit stained mess is forget about the wall, forget about illegal immigrants and go after the employers. keep the detention camps and use them to jail CEOs or Corp board members who hire illegal immigrants. Fine the companies 3X past paid out wages. The camps could be used for those paying ‘under the table’.

    Oh, that would affect profits and donor wallets.

    You think this is bad, wait until climate change hits. Oh, I forgot…CC is a Chinese hoax. It is very sad watching your country decline and collapse. SAD.

    • James Howard Kunstler June 22, 2018 at 10:15 am #

      Paulo– Then how, exactly, would you sort out the kids? Put them in jail cells with their parents, if they can locate them? And what about the many who came here without parents? Just exactly what do you propose to do? Jailing US employers doesn’t speak to that. –JHK

      • Farmer Joe June 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm #

        “Put them in jail cells with their parents…”

        As I understand it, the problem with that is that it creates a legal prescedant for jailing innocent people. A sort of guilt by association. For all the ludicrous comparisons to Nazi Germany, why are the Dems conveniently unaware that jailing innocent people is exactly how the slippery slope to totalitarianism gets started?

        It really sucks that people are so desperate to get into this country, but there are legal means for doung so. And what about the parents of these kids? Why is no one upset at them for taking such risks with their childrens’ lives?

      • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 3:28 pm #

        If we truly want to go the criminal prosecution route and charge these people with crimes, then we have what is called “due process.”

        This due process, as it has traditionally been practiced in US law, involves scheduling as-swiftly-as-practical a fair and public trial, and while the accused waits for the trial to begin they are typically not incarcerated. Impediments to fleeing justice during this period of time include bail and the laws surrounding not showing up for your trial.

        These people are getting none of that.

        If you want to, instead, do what previous administrations have done and treat this as a non-criminal matter, then these due-process things don’t strictly apply. You get a “catch and release,” per your parlance, sort of thing where the families are held, unseparated, for a short time — not in “jail” per se but in some other legalistically-different thing that looks an awful lot like jail — and then are deported.

        It was this change in focus, this focusing on them as criminals, that changed things and created this issue where they are using incarceration as an excuse to separate families, and using family separation as a crude extortionary tool to dissuade other parents from trying to cross the border with their children. But they want to have their cake and eat it, too — they want to incarcerate these folks pre-trial and still lay claim to some “enforcement of the law,” and at the same time they skip the due process traditionally afforded to those charged (but not yet convicted) of crimes.

        • Reality Check 1 June 29, 2018 at 4:56 pm #


      • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 5:09 pm #

        It ain’t about children;
        It is about monstrous tactics to keep potus on the screen; amoral, greedy, sociopathique.
        It’s about murderous tactics in Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, et al that have generated migration for many decades.
        Now migration is a reëlection tactic of the oligarchy.

      • flip July 3, 2018 at 8:43 am #

        i assume you would have agreed with fdr’s decision to turn away the st louis in 1939??

    • Petro June 22, 2018 at 10:31 am #

      I agree Paulo. You also see this in the eager anticipation which so many posters here show for the likely suffering and chaos over the horizon (or clearly here in some places already). Likely childless or grandchildless, and given the level of anger & frustration they show, likely also womanless.

      • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 10:55 am #

        You need to get that bleeding heart stitched up. Might want to get those unwarranted assumptions looked at too while you’re at it.

      • rexl June 22, 2018 at 11:09 am #

        I am Jose. And I agree too, I jest came across the river and the uniteda states is treating me bad. My hamburger bun was not soft and fresh, life is tough. Yes, childless, grandchildless, and womanless, what more can you ask for, life is good.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:38 pm #

          No, you are Joe and Paulo is Paul. Rectification of names is the first step in assimilation.

    • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 10:55 am #

      As George Carlin once said, “Politicians like to hide behind three things, the flag, the Bible, and children.” Today everybody hides behind “the children” whether they do it to cheat you out of your income, compel you to get hopelessly into debt and stay there, or force you to accept their SJW agenda. It sounds to me like the heart of the immigration issue is that there are two sides. One side that wants to have a policy to decide how many and who are welcome every year and the other that wants no policy, but open and unlimited influx. At least until they move in next door to them that is. This is another case of US(A) having a problem, and a serious one, that no one has a solution for and when somebody tries to deal with the problem they are slammed hard, this time with poor “innocent” babies.

      There is a large urban high school across the river in Pennsylvania where police with drug and weapons dogs patrol the halls and the metal detectors go off most every day because the gang banger’s children forget to leave their weapons home. A teacher that we know in this school fears for her life every day and is often threatened by both the parents and their spawn. The pension and the paycheck keeps her there as it is with so many. This is the future that we are bringing with our lack of ability to even talk about a solution to the problem much less solve it. In the end chaos will rule and the beauty of this inevitability is that justice, blind as she is, will meter out payment equally across the board and all will share in the fruits of our ineptitude. Get you some Faith while it is still legal to do so. .

      • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 3:32 pm #

        A rare voice of reason (as usual), Walter. Excellent!

      • BuckP June 22, 2018 at 9:01 pm #

        It’s a big club and you ain’t in it..”
        Georege Carlin
        He was never afraid to tell it like it is! Dick Gregory and Bill Hicks also showed tremendous courage by telling us the truth.
        Good comments Walter

    • thenuttyneutron June 22, 2018 at 11:09 am #

      When you don’t uphold the rule of law, you get anarchy. Our country is getting ripped apart because of this nonsense.

      These kids are being cared for. The adults, many of them NOT the parents, are being put in jail for violating the law. Putting kids in jail with the adults is a much worst thing to do than separating them and caring for them in a safe separate center. I am the father of 2 young girls and I can tell you with no apprehension or uncertainty, I would rather my kids be cared for in a separate place from me if my wife and I were to suddenly find our selves in jail awaiting trial. Think about the risks posed to kids being detained with adults!

      Let me pose this question to everyone. Would you rather enforce the law or let our society degrade to a violent mass of angry people?

      The left has to get their collective head out of their ass soon because I am sure that they won’t be the ones to win if things resort to violence replacing politics.

      • Farmer Joe June 22, 2018 at 2:32 pm #

        I agree. The people with the guns, the farms, and the know how to use both effectively are not the ones who support this SJW nonsense.

      • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 3:33 pm #

        “The adults, many of them NOT the parents, are being put in jail for violating the law.”

        They are in jail accused of violating the law. They have not been convicted, yet, of violating the law.

        When anyone else is accused of violating the law, they may be put into jail for a short time but are almost always afforded a bail hearing where they are charged and they enter a plea, within a fairly tight (24-48 hours) time limit. These people are not being given that due process.

        • benr June 24, 2018 at 8:08 pm #

          Now ask yourself why?
          Answer a large percentage of people released simply disappear and never show for the court date!
          Melt back into society and another large chunk of them then commit more crimes.

      • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 5:21 pm #

        Uphold the law for, and APPLY the law to Nixon, Bushes, Clintons, Obama, potus, et al. first.
        Plea-bargain is a useful place to begin.
        “If”s are not valid – watch what is happening, when you find an honest producer/editor!
        no one must be allowed above The Laws.

    • Epicur June 22, 2018 at 11:29 am #

      People who don’t want to be separated from their children should avoid doing things that get them incarcerated.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 22, 2018 at 1:19 pm #

        Hey Epicur, it seems to me we have unfinished business. There’s a question on the table, one to which you promised a response:


        As a refresher, my question to you was as follows. As you are one who takes Christ’s admonitions seriously, I ask you this equally seriously: do you remember Matthew 25, verses 31-46? When comes the day that Christ separates the sheep from the goats; when he asks you, “What did you do for the least of these? When I was hungry, did you feed me? When I was thirsty, did you give me to drink? Naked, clothe me? Homeless, shelter me? Sick and in prison, come to visit me?”

        You had a lot to say a while back, and you promised more, but if you wrote the promised response then I missed it. I think my question is, if anything, even more relevant under the current circumstances. Can you help me out?

        Looking forward to it, Epicur.

        • lbs June 22, 2018 at 7:57 pm #

          The only thing worse than the fundamentalist religious right is the fundamentalist religious left.

        • shotho June 22, 2018 at 8:31 pm #

          As far as I can tell, ELROND, detained children are being fed, given liquid, clothed, sheltered and, maybe, open for visitation if you care to apply. Not only that, it seems they are given videos to watch and toys for play. Did I miss any of Lord Jesus’ admonitions?

        • Walter B June 23, 2018 at 8:23 pm #

          Tending to the needs of the impoverished can far better be done while they still live where they were born and does not require putting them up in your spare bedroom, backyard, or a Barrio in LA. In fact, requiring them to travel for hundreds or even thousands of miles to get to the “aid” through hostile territories is even seriously fucked up. Do any of we humans do even a slightly decent job of caring for those less fortunate than us? Of course not, not you, not me, not the sellout scum in Washington DC. How this will pan out in the final analysis is going to be very, very interesting. Allowing them to invade, or leaving them no better option than to do so in mass in the meanwhile is no solution, it only makes things it worse.

        • Epicur June 24, 2018 at 1:31 pm #

          The question I said I would reply to was, “Now here are some provocative questions. First, which one of the above is true, if by ‘true’ one means ‘in accord with human nature’? Since they so clearly contradict each other, I don’t see how it can be both. Or does that question have an answer at all?”

          Which is certainly a interesting and complex issue involving what one thinks of the nature of life and human civilization(s) and what one thinks to be valid of science and philosophy.

          There are a lot of interesting things to read about this question. I find the works of Stephen Pinker, Daniel Dennett, and Jonathan Haidt informative on this kind of question, although not all-encompassing and certainly not infallible.

          I was new to this forum at that time. I have since read more, including more of your “gotcha” style of discourse, a style which I do not care to engage. I don’t care what you think my status in the afterlife (if any) will be.

          If you await any further replies from me you might not want to hold your breath.

      • dfnslblty June 22, 2018 at 5:26 pm #

        ¿Of which country do you write?
        And we are witness to folk who migrate to avoid illegal incarceration in their countries – bullied counties – bullied by usa for decades.

        Start at the start.

    • Exscotticus June 22, 2018 at 6:10 pm #


      Can we all assume that you were one of the few lone voices in the wilderness who cried out against children being “ripped” from their families during the eight years Obama was doing the exact same thing? And that you have the public posts to prove it? Links please or it didn’t happen.

      While we amiably share viewpoints on this issue, children the world over are suffering. Not these detained children getting three hots and a cot, but the kind of suffering that would leave you in the fetal position incapacitated and mewling “the horror”.

      But the media didn’t show you those kids this weekend; instead they were insanely busy trying to get that perfect shot of a child being “ripped” from its parents arms to support the one and only truth: that anything Trump does is wrong—even if Obama did it as well.

      Maybe next weekend the media will direct your attention to the plight of those poor abused “drag kids“, and like a good little doggy you’ll bark and whimper on cue, and come back here to tell us that we’re all heartless childless monsters for not accepting RuPaul as a proper child role model.

      And the week after that? Well I guess we’ll all just have to see where the media leads you, because that’s what you are: a little doggy on a leash.

      • benr June 24, 2018 at 8:11 pm #

        I believe the term is useful idiot and we all know where that path leads.
        Communism misery, starvation and mass murder.

  4. Mountain gal June 22, 2018 at 10:10 am #

    I too seriously dislike the comparison of practically everything to the Holocaust. It trivializes what was a horrific exercise in genocide. Sorry, but it’s not as if anyone is shooting these kids and dumping them in trenches. As you point out, it is unclear just who many of these kids are and their relation to the adults they have illegally entered the country with. Yes, that this is all involving illegal immigrants who have snuck into the country without permission seems to not register with those up in arms. No one is taking kids away from lawful US residents or those entering the US legally; only illegals.

    What seems to be happening is that those who tell the tale best in order to tug at the crowd’s emotions wins the PR contest. Truth or facts are no longer relevant.

    For example, a baby died during violent demonstrations in Gaza. The NYT and the rest of the liberal MSM castigated Israel for this and branded its army as baby killers. No one questioned why a baby was brought to a violent border protest of course. Now it turns out that the baby had a fatal condition that had killed other babies in her family before but Hamas paid the family to say that tear gas deployed by Israel killed it. I’m sure the NYT will quickly run to post a correction on the front page. Not…….. But who cares about truth in the PR wars anyway?

  5. Elrond Hubbard June 22, 2018 at 10:10 am #

    Well said. Here’s what this blog’s resident toxic chud wrote the other day: “Every news media in the land is playing a recording of a wetback baby crying as if this is infinitely significant, as if the alien baby of an invader matters somehow.” Compare that with JHK’s second paragraph, where he muses — counterfactually, I note with the smallest measurable quantity of relief — about shooting kids in the head.

    On the subject of immigration, whatever rhetorical distance exists between JHK’s position and Janos’ vile dreck just keeps growing narrower and narrower with time. Both pour derision on the idea of giving a shit about the lives and welfare of children. The only difference is the degree of defiant toxicity on display; and that difference, I repeat, is visibly shrinking with time.

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    • Elrond Hubbard June 22, 2018 at 10:12 am #

      Hmph, this was supposed to be a reply to cj969 up above.

      • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 11:49 am #

        “Politicians like to hide behind three things, the flag, the Bible, and children.”
        Leftists like to use children [Hillary was running the ‘Year of the Child’ scam, as Vietnam war protests ran outta gas], abortion, wetbacks, gay cakes, whatever they can.

        Janos’ vile dreck. you are many times worse.

    • tdarr1234 June 22, 2018 at 12:04 pm #

      Yeah those wet backs are infesting our morally white, I mean right, country!

      • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:48 pm #

        Yes, what’s good for us is what’s right. To assume the latter is sickness. To legislate for it, evil. Government exists to serve us and make possible our search for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Bringing in millions of unassimilables is simply not in concert with that. And those that support such a thing are ignorant at best if not overtly evil.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:44 pm #

      Yes Elrond, there is no middle ground. It’s either us or the aliens. I choose life as do more and more White Americans. As for your hypocritical concern for the alien children: Womp, Womp.

    • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 2:51 pm #

      Well said, to both Elrond and to cj969.

      Lost in all of this is the basic idea of innocent until proven guilty, and the act of using incarceration as a deterrent to fleeing justice while waiting for a fair trial of their alleged crimes — crimes that are pretty minor by comparison (even if found guilty eventually) to the kinds of crimes we usually reserve our incarceration strategies for.

      So, apparently the only alternative to separation into baby jails is to put them into the same jails as their parents, and it hasn’t occurred to anyone that these people could be not-incarcerated while waiting for trial. What about bail, and other incentives/discouragements to get them to show up to their court date and to reduce the likelihood of them fleeing justice? Such things are good enough for the vast majority of other alleged-criminals (“illegals,” if you will) when we’re talking about alleged violations of laws having nothing to do with immigration.

      • Tate June 22, 2018 at 5:17 pm #

        Hey Bruce E, the fact that they’re HERE is prima facie proof of guilt. What, the ghost of Pancho Villa strapped them across a mule & brought them here against their will? And releasing them is as good as handing them a green card. Everybody knows this & you do too. You just want to signal your virtue here like all the other assholes who come here to express their feigned outrage. We’re onto your game.

        • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 10:46 pm #

          Tate, you don’t seem to understand and appreciate the role that the rule of law, and due process, plays in all of this. You go off on this “oh it’s obvious to everyone that they’re guilty,” when in fact that’s not how the law works, and not how our laws are enforced.

          Fact is, it is of the utmost importance that those who are entrusted to enforce our laws do so with one hand tied behind their back, especially when it comes to denying people their liberty via incarceration.

          And just in case you think non-citizens don’t “deserve” the same rights as citizens, the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution is quite clear: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” There is even an important change of language, from “citizen” to “person” that is quite clear in this case, quite intentional, and just in case you don’t read it that way, the US Supreme Court has ruled on this more than once and made it clear.

          • Farmer Joe June 23, 2018 at 11:29 am #

            I’m no constitutional lawyer, but last I checked illegal immigrants were not, “persons born or naturalized in the United States” and therefore not, “citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

          • Tate June 23, 2018 at 1:50 pm #

            Well, the 14th amendment also considers corporations as ‘persons.’ That’s just one of the things about the 14th amendment that lots of us don’t like. The 14th amendment has been perverted way beyond its original intent.

            From Wikipedia:

            In Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (1886), the court reporter included a statement by Chief Justice Morrison Waite in the decision’s headnote:

            “The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does.”[130]

            This dictum, which established that corporations enjoyed personhood under the Equal Protection Clause, was repeatedly reaffirmed by later courts.[130] It remained the predominant view throughout the twentieth century, though it was challenged in dissents by justices such as Hugo Black and William O. Douglas.[131] Between 1890 and 1910, Fourteenth Amendment cases involving corporations vastly outnumbered those involving the rights of blacks, 288 to 19.[132]

            The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world that confers citizenship based on jus soli as opposed to jus sanguinis, (on “soil” as opposed to “blood”). Clearly, fixing the Citizenship clause of the 14th amendment is a good place to start in reforming our immigration problems.

          • Bruce E June 23, 2018 at 3:19 pm #

            The key phrase is “person within its jurisdiction” which expands the definition well beyond “citizen.” If you say these people are not within the jurisdiction of the state, then you can’t try them for crimes against the state. That’s what jurisdiction means.

            In fact, that’s what they did with “catch and release,” which was to declare these people out of our jurisdiction, and to use deportation as a method similar to extradition to move these people to the state that actually has jurisdiction.

            In any case, you can’t charge them with violating a law and simultaneously pretend they are not within your jurisdiction.

          • Tate June 23, 2018 at 4:49 pm #

            Ha ha. You’re funny, pretending that I’m saying things I’m not saying.

            The U.S. has a right to detain any non-U.S. citizen crossing its borders who insists on claiming refugee status until their cases are properly adjudicated. Actually, I’m assuming such persons have a choice. They can return to the country they just came from, in this case Mexico, if they don’t want to be detained. If they come to the U.S. expecting to be released on their own recognizance into the interior of our country (the so-called ‘catch & release’) then let’s quickly disabuse them of this belief. That will solve the problem and they will not choose to come here if they don’t want to be detained until their cases can be adjudicated.

            It’s not like the authorities were ripping children away from their parents & subjecting them to inhumane treatment. This policy was implemented in response to the very real abuse of the policy of granting asylum. Go cry your madcow tears somewhere else.

      • Elrond Hubbard June 22, 2018 at 6:27 pm #

        Thanks for your support, Bruce E. Gotta say, though, I’m not wild about using “innocent until proven guilty” in this case. Trump’s policies aren’t being used to punish people for trying to enter the United States illegally. They’re being used to punish people for asking for asylum. Likewise, please don’t help the likes of Tate to confuse the issue by conflating immigration detention with imprisoning someone for a crime. These things are as distinct as chalk and cheese.

        Trying to enter the United States is only illegal if you don’t do it at a regular port of entry. Also, a first offence is only a misdemeanour, the kind of thing that merits a ticket and/or a fine, not jail. If you walk across the bridge from Juarez, Mexico to El Paso, Texas; or if you drive across the Ambassador Bridge from Windsor, Ontario to Detroit, Michigan; or if you land at an international airport; if you do any of those things, and approach a regular checkpoint for entry, then there is no crime. Period. They may detain you to ask you questions, to check your background, or for other reasons; they may simply turn you back — but innocence or guilt doesn’t enter into it.

        Yet the policy of separating families wasn’t only being applied to people who violated the law. The Trump administration was very explicit about the fact that it was being used as a deterrent against all people trying to enter the United States. This is foul — so foul that even Donald Trump had to take it back in the face of the outrage it provoked.

        Here’s an article and a video:


        The father had already tried to request asylum in the U.S. for himself and his son several times, but they had repeatedly been stopped at the port of entry and turned back. It’s clear enough that the presence of journalists was the only reason they got through on this occasion; and it’s not clear at all whether they were separated afterward and/or whether the boy will ever see his father, or the man his son, again. I reiterate: there was no crime here. There was only the heartless application of a policy designed with the express, explicit purpose of inflicting suffering because people dared to ask for help. That and more is what Donald Trump and his lackeys, including Jeff Sessions and that dead-eyed ghoul Stephen Miller, will have to answer for if there is any justice in this world.

        And it’s also something so many around here celebrate and defend — including, to my considerable disgust, James Howard Kunstler. For shame.

      • benr June 24, 2018 at 8:14 pm #

        I suggest you look up the groups la mecha and la raza and while you are being horrified by that look up the plan of San Diego!
        Now go for a cruise through the barrios of San Fernando valley and get a gander at all the Mexican flags.
        This is not about getting a better life its the Reconquista movement!

    • Eoin June 22, 2018 at 3:43 pm #

      What if the U.S. bought Mexico, and let Canada just keep being the raw material plantation that it is ?
      U.S. military could dispatch the cartels, U.S. , & Canadian retirees could flood Mexico with money and development, and the U.S. infiltration of low wage “Citizens” could continue unabated. NO PROBLEMS !
      No more NAFTA,
      No more maquiladoras,
      No more wall expense,
      No more border patrol along U.S. border,
      No more DACA,
      No more illegals !
      No more “baby jails”, they can be properly incarcerated, and abused, where they were born!
      No more Drug problem- we’ll really own it then !
      No more Mexico ! ( at least the one that so many of us love).
      Maybe DJT can call Carlos Slim, or write an editorial in Mr. Slims NYT, and put the deal in motion !
      Big league Deal!
      Bigly !

      • BuckP June 22, 2018 at 9:37 pm #

        Canada is the last bastion of civilization left in the world! They have excess hydropower andplenty of fresh water, oil, lumber, rare earth minerals, and hockey players. With only 30 million people they will survive what’s coming!
        In addition, if you accidently walk into someone’s house in Canada, they won’t blow you away like here in heavily armed, paranoid, USofA.

        • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 2:10 pm #

          >>> With only 30 million people they will survive what’s coming!

          At the rate Canada is letting in Haitian and Nigerian “refugees”, with rates growing month over month, Canada is unlikely to fair better than any other nation—and probably a lot worse.

          >>> In addition, if you accidently walk into someone’s house…

          Similar to when you accidentally get into someone else’s car and accidentally drive it away to the chop shop to accidentally strip it down for parts and accidentally sell them for profit.

          • BuckP June 23, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

            Little racist eh!
            Canada will survive because they are still civilized unlike the racist, violent, hate-filled, scarerdy-cat, money-grubbing USA. We and our proxies terrorize and kill people, usually non-Caucasian, all over the world for no justifiable reason but we shake in our beds at night with fear and beg for big Brother’s protection, who willingly obliges as long as we rescind our constituitional rights.

          • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 6:43 pm #

            I guess by your measure, Canadians are racist as well: Canada tries to stem flow of illegal border crossings

            Canada, generally regarded as a welcoming place for refugees, now appears to be taking a tougher stance as the number of illegal border crossings continues unabated.

            The country is rejecting more refugee claims from people who crossed its border illegally as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government seeks to dissuade, block and turn back thousands more, according to according to data from Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.

        • Tate June 23, 2018 at 9:26 pm #

          “They have excess hydropower and plenty of fresh water, oil, lumber, rare earth minerals, and hockey players. With only 30 million people they will survive what’s coming!…
          “In addition, if you accidently walk into someone’s house in Canada, they won’t blow you away like here in heavily armed, paranoid, USofA.”

          That sounds like an invitation. Are you Canadian or just another sad gape-mouth misfit eager to give away what’s not his?

      • njguy73 June 25, 2018 at 9:21 am #

        In January of 1995, Congress authorized $20 billion of assistance to Mexico in order to bail out the peso.


        At the time, Peter Brimelow suggested in Forbes that for $3 billion more, the U.S. could simply offer to purchase Baja California.


        Would that have made anything worse?

    • Exscotticus June 22, 2018 at 6:43 pm #


      Can we agree that if even one child is suffering anywhere in the world, that it’s an existential threat for which no action goes too far? Can we agree on that, Elrond? Tell us how you can possibly find the time to come here and self-righteously accuse others of lacking morality when you’re so busy spending every waking moment of your life saving the world’s children? Why don’t you leave and come back when you’re all done with that.

      Please don’t respond; that time is a child’s life you could have saved.

      Have the courage of your own convictions. Live by your own self-professed morality before accusing others of lacking one.

  6. Petro June 22, 2018 at 10:11 am #

    Shame on you Jim. You embarrass yourself this morning.

    And please, you’re smart enough to sort out the difference between laws, distinctions within the law, and the policies that implement them.

    To paraphrase Hemingway, “He went mad slowly, then all at once.”

    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 10:21 am #

      Don’t think he’s arguing that. He’s merely pointing out the shamelessly opportunistic hypocrisy on the part of those on the left to paint this as a partisan human rights issue (once again, they’re right and everyone else is wrong), while still refusing to acknowledge the quite legitimate and much larger issue of some kind of sensible immigration control. Under that scenario the kids get used as pawns (conversation stoppers: “but think of the children!”) to derail any possible progress.

      • Mountain gal June 22, 2018 at 10:27 am #


    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 10:25 am #

      ICE slowly surrounded the brasserie. Then all at once they were into the kitchen and Mexicans ran like cockroaches fleeing from the light.

    • thenuttyneutron June 22, 2018 at 11:20 am #

      Let us apply that argument to other laws. If I take a gun of mine and modify it in a way that makes it illegal (i.e. cut the barrel short and make an illegal SBR), can we instead call it an undocumented SBR and ignore the violation?

      These people are being arrested and put in jail for ILLEGALLY entering the country. Either uphold ALL laws until they are changed or tossed out by the courts or you must accept/condone all violations of the law.

      • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 3:01 pm #

        If you are arrested and charged with the crime of illegally modifying your shotgun, it is likely that your gun will be confiscated and unlikely that you’ll be jailed awaiting trial. If you are jailed, you will likely be given a bail option, such that you can await your fair, open, and public trial to determine if you are actually guilty of the crime of violating that law about guns.

        You will not be thrown into jail to await a trial that might not happen for months into the future, and your kids won’t be thrown into cages even if you get thrown into jail and you don’t make bail. Your kids will be sent to nearby relatives of yours or placed by CPS into foster homes of volunteers, and they generally don’t lose track of where they went in the rare cases where this is necessary.

        • unirealist June 22, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

          Bruce, are you deliberately ignoring the difference between a US citizen who has Constitutional rights to due process, and someone who is not a US citizen and is in the US without permission and does not have the Constitutional rights that are accorded to US citizens?

          Or has that distinction not occurred to you?

          • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm #

            Rights are afforded under the law to both citizen and non-citizen alike. You know this, do you not?

          • benr June 24, 2018 at 8:19 pm #

            Bruce they detain people and deny bail or bond for being a flight risk ALL the time!

      • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 1:50 am #

        I believe current liberal doctrine holds that your undocumented firearm would have refugee status and be eligible for social welfare and a free education at Harvard. But honestly it probably depends on the color of your firearm, too. If you used white snow camo then you’re screwed.

  7. K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 10:20 am #

    I am surprised Trump is getting so much grief. Poor people routinely have families broken up in America. It is an American value and the poor also do not any right to privacy like well off people do either. I’m doubly surprised people are not impressed with Trump being able to be in so many places at the same time.

    ICE, since January has not been releasing statistical data about their activities. Some of these rent a cops come into my brasserie not so long ago. Decked out in their swat finest these dog-catchers had me worried. And I was born here!

  8. tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 10:35 am #

    Thank god the reponses here are “mostly” sane! Mr. Kunstler has gone so far off the rails with this rant that I am speechless. How would you have felt at 5 to be in a strange place and yanked away from your parents in a strange country? Goddamnit man, these are children! And yes this policy was different from preceding ones or Big Ears Beauregard wouldn’t have announced it as a new policy!

    You have devoted all of your energy of late to pointing out the shortcomings of the Political Left and hardly a word about the bat shit craziness of the maniacs in charge! Have you been offered a job at Fox News yet? You and your chum, Tucker Carlson, and Ann Coulter I’m sure could put something smart together!

    Jesus fook!

    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 10:45 am #

      Better question: why aren’t we addressing the imperialistic US policies in the Americas that are driving all these destitute people north in the first place? Oh yeah, because their governments are “inherently corrupt” due to their own [fill in the negative adjective(s) here] and they’re simply fleeing to that great “shining city on the hill and last true beacon of hope and freedom,” the US. Everything we’re seeing these days is by design and has been ongoing for the last 70+ years at least. There’s a plan and it’s working exactly as expected.

      • JohnAZ June 22, 2018 at 10:57 am #

        Because the corruption exists in those countries and all we do to accentuate it is feed foreign aid to the corrupt parts. How does the US create “benevolent” governments that honor their people. It is a huge question that has not been answered in 70 years.

        • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 3:29 pm #

          Corruption exists everywhere, but only the US nurtures it, funds it, and if necessary, demands it at the point of a gun, missile, “smart” bomb, and/or drone. All to promote “free market” capitalism of course! “Free” only in the sense that it’s free of any undue competition or impediments. On the plus side, we don’t have to look overseas anymore to find it. We’ve happily imported it (hence the immigrants who happily provide cheap labor) right here to a 1st/3rd world American shithole near you!

          • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 10:48 pm #

            Bingo Scratch! The USA loves corrupt governments and have always funded them, paid them off, and worked the deals that benefit the wealthy business masters, like United Fruit with the covert, and not so covert actions starting with the Dulles brothers! The American people may not have earned the right to be invaded, but the actions of those that claim to “represent us” have done it for us Every action is opposed by an equal and opposite reaction, it is the first law of physics and it is coming back to haunt US(A)ll.

      • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 10:58 am #

        There is a link to past imperialism but I don’t know that it is an actual concrete plan. That sounds a bit whack-a-do.

        My good fellow.

        Why aren’t we addressing the imperialistic US policies in the Americas that are driving all these destitute people north in the first place?

        A wild hair on my butt has me going and has me suggest the abominable thought that the destitution of these people might not have anything to do with America. I realize this is a treasonous break with national narcissism and the axiom of American exceptionalism, but maybe, just maybe, Americans are not the only assholes in the world!

        • Jigplate June 22, 2018 at 11:39 am #

          There is a link to past imperialisim the same way that there is a link between the imperialistic British Government and my great – great grandfather being booted off of his Irish tennant farm in the 19th century. I have no interest, and even less claim to reparations from them , nor do I think that they should take in my childeren or grand childern because of their past imperialistic chicannery. The Democratic party has a plan , the same way that Stalin had a plan. That plan is to abandon the shrinking pool of white middle class voters in favor of a new voter class. It’s brillant in its simplicity- they dont have to do a thing, except prop the door open.

        • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 12:59 pm #

          You simply must to get off the leash more, Dog. US imperialist, mercantilist, and militarist policies go back to at least to Arbenz and Guatemala in 1954, and the list of others throughout the period is too long to recite here. Volumes and volumes have been expended on the subject, so if you’re ignorant of that, it has to be by choice. Yes, the much lauded “American Exceptionalism” is entirely true in one regard: we have the most ruthlessly exploitative and duplicitous sham democracy that money can possibly buy.

          • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:06 pm #

            Oh give me a break. Arbenz really? I’m a fan of Che and the book about him by Jon Lee Anderson is one of the best books ever written. Arbenz created Che.

            Don’t over react. All I’m saying is if you go to try and find a playbook you won’t find one. The rules of the old boys club are not written down.

          • shotho June 22, 2018 at 8:56 pm #

            Silly. Go to Nicaragua as I do frequently and find out what’s going on now. The people are finally fed up with Mr Sandanista, Ortega, and his goon squads. His funding mostly comes from the Chinese who want to build a second transocean canal accross rhe country, destroying much of the peasants’ land.
            It’s so damned easy to sit up here, listen to left wing crap and act like you really know what’s going on everywhere else.

        • lbs June 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm #

          Our worst meddling was overthrowing the leftist in Chile, whose long term consequence has been a prosperous Chile. Maybe we’re to blame for Latin America s woes because we weren’t imperialistic enough.

    • Petro June 22, 2018 at 10:56 am #

      I am remembering lawyer Joseph Welch’s quote: “Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

      • Epicur June 22, 2018 at 11:37 am #

        What a lot of people have is a sense of impending danger. People think differently and make different choices when they sense danger.

        Most liberals of my experience have an impaired ability to see the danger we face due to cognitive dissonance. Their self image will not allow them to make hard choices so they deny the danger.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

          Their amygdalas are smaller. If you notice a criminal lining up on one of the folks and try to warn them, they will become afraid of you not the criminal. They are simply deficient in natural terms, all their energy going to their verbal center thus their endless spewing of ideology. They are a natural part of the end times of any Civilization, part of Nature’s correction I guess.

        • Exscotticus June 22, 2018 at 7:56 pm #


          Hundreds of Bangladeshis have been caught illegally crossing into the USA by way of Mexico. Think about that. These are Bangladeshis. From Bangladesh. That means there’s an international human-trafficking pipeline that extends from Asia into the USA. If Bangladeshis can get in, anyone can get in.

          And when that first Jihadist nuke goes off, and it turns out the terrorist got in via Mexico, liberals will be the first to smack their foreheads in disbelief and talk about our collective “failure of imagination.” Accept it isn’t “collective”—it’s liberals only.

          It’s ironic that liberals have a seemingly unlimited capacity to empathize with the less fortunate, but no capacity at all to comprehend evil. The world is awash in parasites and people who prey on others, but the rose-colored glasses of liberals only reveal rainbows, unicorns, and ever-lasting kumbaya…

          • sprawlcapital June 23, 2018 at 11:07 pm #


            You just conjured up the memory of that famous scene in Independence Day where some New Age folks are on the roof of a building looking up at the hovering alien spacecraft while shouting, “It’s so beautiful!” At just that moment the aliens send down a death ray, and the earthlings get vaporized.

            A lesson for us all.

      • Jigplate June 22, 2018 at 11:47 am #

        Petro, I would point you to the “Venona papers”. Joseph McCarthy may have been a lot of things, but one of those, is that he was right.

    • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 11:50 am #

      I am speechless.
      GOOD! Stay that way and far away [from here].

      Tucker Carlson, and Ann Coulter –those white privilege creeps.

    • tdarr1234 June 22, 2018 at 12:08 pm #

      Here here. I think old Kunstler has swamp fever.

      • Tate June 23, 2018 at 9:34 pm #

        Yeah, “drain the swamp fever.”

    • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

      “Goddamnit man, these are children!”

      “Better question:…”

      Even better question…what is your considered solution? Putting them in a large holding facility with adults?

      Do you know what a “tank bull” is? A tank bull is the convict that rules a holding cell, or dormitory. When I say “rule” I mean rule without consideration for law or humanity. You thought that the warders control the activities in the cells?

      Better hope that the tank bull is not a pederast, or one that finds you attractive…. You might consider that the authorities that run these lockups may know what they are doing….

      • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:19 pm #

        So were you the Tank Bull or the Little Dogie?

        Whatever the solution is, it doesn’t have to include seperating small children from their mothers, obviously!, because they haven’t done it until now. It’s Sessions–an obvious racist with a history–way of trying to teach those darkies a lesson. I can’t believe I’m having to argue this–even the goddamn Southern Baptist Convention is against it. You, LIttle Dogie, are to the right of SBC!

        • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 8:24 pm #

          “Whatever the solution is, it doesn’t have to include separating small children from their mothers”

          The Little Dogie again asks…”what is to be done, in your considered opinion”?. If you have a viable solution, everyone would like to hear it. I assume you have a background in corrections, or crowd control?

          In what situation would it be bad to be told that Jesus loves you? (extra credit).

        • Tate June 22, 2018 at 8:37 pm #

          The Southern Baptist Convention is the Controlled Right. i.e., not Right at all, but a shadow of the Left, marching to the beat of Leftist politics, grumpily, but marching all the same. They are a satrapy of the occupying zionist power.

        • Farmer Joe June 23, 2018 at 11:44 am #

          As I understand it the separation policy was the same under Bush 2 and Obama.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 12:51 pm #

      Right. No real trailer trash would ever say anything like this – as if you could go to Mexico and have the authorities bow and scrape to you. As Alex Jones said, if he was caught trying to vote in a Mexican election, they wouldn’t call the police – the men at the poll would take him out and stomp him.

      • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:25 pm #

        Well this trailer trash did. And I lived for five years in Mexico, thank you very much. And I worked as an English teacher–illegally. I’ve never been treated better in my life. I speak the language and know the culture, do you, Mr. Alex Jones said?

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 11:27 pm #

          That’s fine. Since you prefer them to us, they’re your people now. Don’t try to straddle to the two worlds, being a traitor to one or both. You’ve chosen, now go with it 100%.

          Illegal, huh? Yup, they love that funky stuff. They’re whole culture glorifies Antinominalism or the Criminal as Hero. Now how well is that going to fit in with centuries of Anglo-Saxon reverence for the Law? C’mon Amigo, think.

          Answer: It doesn’t fit here at all.

  9. K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 10:43 am #

    In a program note, Schenkkan acknowledges a debt to Gitta Sereny’s “Into That Darkness.” He describes her book as “an attempt to understand the bleakest of the Nazi horrors by focusing on one ordinary man who, for a brief moment, found himself with unlimited power.

    Interesting drama. An ordinary man suddenly getting power would be like someone writing comments here who has never been on the internet before. (A thought experiment) Being able to insult without the threat of violence or consequence to reign in common sense and raw base impulse, people become assholes. Some adjust and some never do.

    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 10:45 am #

      Oops this was in response to a deleted comment. It might as well go too.

    • sprawlcapital June 23, 2018 at 11:31 pm #

      . . . to reign in common sense , . .
      That should be “rein in”. Reins are the straps connected to the bit on a horse bridle used to slow or stop the horse or to guide its direction. Hence the metaphor “rein in”, meaning applying control to something that otherwise would proceed with dangerous abandon.

      A monarch reigns.

  10. JohnAZ June 22, 2018 at 10:52 am #

    JHK was a solid Democrat years ago and this blog reflected that well. The outrages of the Progressive resistance have so outraged him at times that he no longer agrees with their BS. But still a believer in the human based core of the Democrats, i.e. The Dems left him not vice versa.

    The SOBs in the Progressive globalist factions in the country do not want to mprove the USA, they want to politically destroy it. The do not want the US to be the capitalistic “shining light”, they want the US to become a third rate country so they can go off and start working on Russia next. If they want their globalist power, nationalistic powers such as the US, Russia, or China must be destabilized.

    How to destabilize the US? Easy! Fill it with people used to socialistic governments, from countries where people expect to be cared for, instead of taking care of themselves. These kids and the adults do not have a pot to p—s in, where are they getting the resources to make journeys to our southern border? Probably from the same source as is funding Antifa, or the Obama Clintinoid union. Fill it with these people and then get stupid States like California to enfranchise them.

    How effective is this? Effective enough to convince nearly half the US population to buy their line of BS. Or maybe they have not convinced that many, they have just imported it. How can we put a huge tariff on imported baloney?

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    • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:36 pm #

      JohnAZ, buddy, I put my cyber arm around you. I know you’re thinking of walking into that Starbuck’s on the corner and wasting everybody in sight, but don’t do it. There is hope John AZ! The proper medical regimen and just a wee bit of reading and you could make a contribution to society. If you’re not into reading, give Blood on the Tracks a spin. Oh, and definitely blast a J! Let me know your progress, buddy.

  11. PostPeakRancher June 22, 2018 at 10:54 am #

    “I won’t waste more than this sentence in arguing that official policy for the treatment of juvenile illegal immigrants is exactly what it was under Mr. Obama, and Mr. Bush before him”

    That is entirely incorrect. The Trump Administration instituted a zero tolerance policy that called for criminal prosecution of adults caught crossing the border illegally. This results in all children being separated. This did not happen in the last two administrations. The last to administrations would briefly hold illegals to get identity and record asylum requests. Families were very rarely separated and if so only for a few days in most cases.

    In the previous two administrations the families were mostly deported after a brief stay in detention centers. Bush 2 set a new deportation record which was promptly shattered by Obama. Both administrations saved prosecution for repeat offenders.

    The funny thing about Trump is that by going for immediate criminal prosecution he is aiming to fill up America’s for-profit prisons with adult illegal immigrants while also filling up America’s overburdened foster care system with illegal alien children. Not real smart…. I guess he really doesn’t want them to leave the country after all….

    Now of course “the resistance” sure is making political hay out of it and hamming up their “outrage”. But, hey, that is what the party in opposition does.

    Lastly, Jim, your callous disregard for facts and the hyperbole of outrage against the phantom menace of PC coercion the past two years or so is so far off base from your previous years of writing. You once were a measured, fact-based author and blogger. Now you are basically a circus ringmaster feeding red meat to a bunch of yahoos that build mountains out of PC molehills. And this quite frankly has got me wondering who the hell is funding you through your Patreon page or through other channels. Based on your writing the past couple of years it sure as hell seems like you are on the payroll of the GOP or some related PAC.

    Meanwhile resource constraints are starting to bite on the economy again, the periphery nations are buckling under the strain, the financial system is heaving, but by all means, lets just keep up with the distractions of overblown “diversity and PC outrage” on this blog.

    Have a nice weekend,


    • James Howard Kunstler June 22, 2018 at 11:05 am #

      What you’re describing is “catch-and-release” immigration policy.
      how was that working? — JHK

      • snarkmatic9000 June 22, 2018 at 11:38 am #

        Do you really think GOP-Luntzian inspired terminology best applied to fish is appropriate for describing a very human tragedy? JHK, you at one time were very much a humanist. Although I’ve donated in the past, I too am concerned at the right-ward veer of the last several years…one wonders if perhaps the (albeit misguided) SJW/neo-Maoist comeuppance at that academic dinner party of yore has left scars that will not heal? I shudder to think it might be only self-interested monetization of the right wing fruit (cakes?) ready for plucking. Please return to the issues and ideas you once were in the vanguard for, even JMG thinks you’ve gone too far!

        • James Howard Kunstler June 22, 2018 at 12:11 pm #

          Snark-o-matic — “Catch-and-Release” is also what they call it in INS parlance. I’m not “permanently scarred” by my encounters with academic SJWs. But I am fer sure their enemy. Do you think that this current hysteria is un-newsworthy, not worthy of comment? It has occupied the “front page” and the “breaking news” lede of every media outlet this past week. You’d prefer me to stick to issues that are less contentious? Sorry, I am fully engaged in the debates of the day.

          • unirealist June 22, 2018 at 4:31 pm #

            The zero-tolerance policy was adopted because the number of parent-with-child border crossings (illegal ones) had quadrupled in the past two years.

            This happened precisely because of the “catch-and-release” policy of the Obama years. Adults who arrived with a child in tow were given a citation with a date to appear in court, then released with their child.

            Unsurprisingly, the adult and child vanished after release and didn’t show up for their court date.

            Catch-and-release was not only not working, it was getting exponentially worse.

          • snarkmatic9000 June 22, 2018 at 4:42 pm #

            I too am the doctrinare SJW’s enemy, in fact I think Jordan Peterson makes a great deal of sense. However I noticed that the tone and topics here have changed significantly away from the truly critical, long term, large scale ie: peak oil, economic decline, unsustainable sprawl, energy, with the aftermath of that catalytic event, understandable perhaps. But in some minds the debates of the day over Trump’s latest outrage du jour or base-pandering pale to insignificance in comparison with potential debacles to come. While everyone and his brother & sister has something to say about immigration, tariffs, & the other ephemeral events of the day, this place has been uniquely prescient and effective in calling our attention to what really matters… 5 years from now no-one will remember 90% of the daily hysterics it’s so easy to get obsessed about, while by then they may also be in the midst of the kind of catastrophic economic phase-change that will toss them about like straws in a tornado. Distraction is a powerful soporific that the evil know well how to use, and are.

          • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm #

            I understand why you are pissed. Pissants always wanting to tell you your buisiness. It has to get weary.

            But I think Rancher has a good heart. Right now he is stuck in save the world mode and is getting preachy. Forgive him. Getting off the save the world cloud is hard to do. The mind screams say it aint so but the day comes when you realize that all the bumper stickers on all the maroon and green Subaru Outbacks in the world are not going to stop a single asshole from doing what he/she wants.

          • flip July 3, 2018 at 8:00 am #

            first of all no mention anywhere about reagan’s war on central america or obama support of the coup in honduras or corporate america’s crushing of peasant farmers. the usa is directly responsible for those poor people leaving their country. my irish and sicilian ancestors came here because they were starving. very few want to leave their home country.

            so very disheartening to read your comments here and far too many of the comments of others. silly of me i guess but i was thinking there would be a more intelligent crew on this site.

            l i have read most of your books and much of your writing and really found it intelligent and interesting. the stuff here is hard to stomach.

            as far as i know obama did not have the same policy as trump. if so you should correct you misstatement. you are correct that RM and the msnbc crowd (and cnn and nyt etc) are hypocrites but i was hoping for better here.

            lastly i do not see the problems created by immigrants – legal or illegal. i keep reading how our workforce is getting older and social security is going to be in trouble because of it. aren’t young immigrants part of the solution? the whole crime argument is crap and i assume you know that. hard working people who sleep 6 in a room trying to survive do not threaten our republic. anyway i won’t go on but i expect more from you – please rethink some of what you wrote. let’s get our government to stop crushing other countries first and foremost. then much of this will sort itself out. i would suggest you find an intelligent defender of immigrant rights and interview them. are you willing to do that? check with amy goodman at democracy now to see who mught be best.

      • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:53 pm #

        Obviously there is a problem at the border, and a damn difficult one. But wouldn’t a civilized society put there best minds together and strive for a humane solution?

        Do you have a solution? Are you happy with the child separation policy? (I know it’s ended, but were you happy with it? When you heard about it did you think, “yeah, that’s a good idea?”

        • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 8:54 pm #

          But wouldn’t a civilized society put there best minds together and strive for a humane solution?


          You think our society is civilized? …Precious!

      • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:56 pm #

        Obviously there is a problem at the border, and a damn difficult one. But wouldn’t a civilized society put there best minds together and strive for a humane solution?

        Do you have a solution? Are you happy with the child separation policy? (I know it’s ended, but were you happy with it? When you heard about it did you think, “yeah, that’s a good idea?”

        • tennessee trailer trash June 22, 2018 at 7:59 pm #

          I keep trying to direct my reply to JHK’s 11:05 am comment, but it keeps appearing after Kdog’s 4:44pm comment. Ho hum

        • elysianfield June 23, 2018 at 12:00 pm #

          “Do you have a solution? Are you happy with the child separation policy?”

          The solution you seek is ancillary to the greater issue of controlling the border. Once the decision is made to do so, issues will arise that requires common-sense and usual custom (in our society). No one wants to see humans in distress, yet it sometimes is required to put them in distress for a common good. Your angst is out of place where sausage is being made.

          The incarceration of humans, men, children and lactating females, has been ongoing here and everywhere on earth for centuries…our policies are humane as considered within our laws and culture.

          “Are you happy with the child separation policy?” Until you can cite the government’s rationale for the policy, you have nothing to offer other than cheap emotional posturing.


        • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

          Solved it: Non-Americans stay on their side of the border. People who want to immigrate go thru the immigration process. Border jumpers show by their actions that they are not American citizen material.

          How many immigrants do we need? None. Zero. A few exceptions can be made for Americans marrying Non-Americans or perhaps a genius whom we want for some reason or other.

          It wasn’t hard to solve at all. Perhaps I am just that much smarter than you.

      • PostPeakRancher July 1, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

        I wasn’t commenting on how well that catch and release policy worked. I was commenting on how you said Trump was doing the exact same thing as Bush and Obama which is incorrect. Bush and Obama did catch and release and had record deportations. Trump had zero tolerance policy which resulted in family separation and had it been allowed to run it’s course mass incarceration of non-citizens in US prisons and illegal immigrant children in US foster care.

        K-Dog, get real I’m not about “save the world” I am just pointing out that our host was being untruthful in his declaration that Bush and Obama did the same thing as Trump. I think something needs to be done to stop the flow of people coming across the southern border but dehumanizing them and acting like the US FedGov’s policies aren’t a major reason that everything South of the Border is a total disaster is ridiculous.

        The first step to solving the problem is acknowledging the the US policies in Central and South America created this damn problem to begin with. Then we can look at those policies and how to unwind them in the least sh*tty way possible.

    • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 11:10 am #

      Yahoos? You mean Googles? I still have not figured out why those who are so angered by the words exchanged here come here in the first place. I would love to hear a viable excuse for doing so. I can only speak for myself, but for me, sitting here at my own leisure exchanging ideas, information and theories with other adults is far more productive than sitting in a gin mill somewhere ogling the breasts of the woman across the bar. Perhaps you should consider that pastime as a replacement for coming here. It might ease your anger issues.

      • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 11:13 am #

        ogling the breasts of the woman across the bar

        You say that like it is a bad thing. I think the world needs more love.

        • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 12:05 pm #

          I do not consider ogling women in bars as love, sorry.

          • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:07 pm #

            I do!

          • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:45 pm #

            It’s a start!

        • elysianfield June 23, 2018 at 12:27 pm #

          “. I think the world needs more love”

          We have only two to ogle…you have ten.

          I’m gonna get the garden hose….

      • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 1:07 pm #

        A couple of weeks ago, one fairly regular poster was begging for Mr Kunstler to shut down the comments. From our perspective, that’s very weird. But they aren’t like us: the silence of death is the only peace they will ever know.

        • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:35 pm #

          Janos, sorry to have to tell you this but fact is you piss people off. Some people so much so they want you to go away and never come back.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 8:57 pm #

            He didn’t say it to me but to “Jim”.

          • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 2:09 am #

            Janos stays. His provocative views add diversity, and liberals assure us that diversity is our greatest strength.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 1:26 pm #

            Tanks. The Rainbow is only the rainbow because the colors are discrete and separate. The Rainbow is our symbol. That being said, the only rainbow I want to see is in the sky. The beast men have turned it into a symbol of tyranny and terror.

    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 11:11 am #

      With a name like PostPeakRancher your umbrage over the attention these pedestrian issues gets is noted. You have my sympathy and since I joke so much I’d best directly say so.

      “Now you are basically a circus ringmaster feeding red meat to a bunch of yahoos that build mountains out of PC molehills.”

      OK, but what is he to do? We live in the age of Trump now and social concerns are for pussies.

      Yesterday crossing railroad tracks I had to wait for both an oil train and a coal train zipping north for export to pass. Does anybody know or care? You know nobody does or if you are not as far on the collapse curve as I am you are still learning it.

      You are asking Jim to piss in the wind. Perhaps he is tired of getting wet.

  12. amb June 22, 2018 at 11:01 am #

    Congress is a joke. Our whole government is a joke. Feckless, clueless clowns and criminals all. “We the people” were abandoned decades and decades ago.

    The Left (domestic and global commies) are despicable. No moral compass. Zero integrity. Clueless about what is necessary for a nation to be secure and evolve, and its citizens enabled to thrive and prosper. The mentality or mindset blows my mind… how can people be so out of touch with reality? Ugh.

  13. JohnAZ June 22, 2018 at 11:03 am #

    One “fact” that was brought out this morning is that most of the stock footage of the kids on the media is from 2014′ before Trump even started running. Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or even Reagan had no idea how to stop the invasion of this country. We will see if Trump does any better.

    • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 11:53 am #

      You know too much.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

      I’m amazed there aren’t loud speakers everywhere so they could constantly bombard us with the cries of little Hispanic children. Ah well, give it time. Or perhaps we’ll get it once there are implants in our heads – and only those who “need” it – like me.

  14. Luhrenloup June 22, 2018 at 11:10 am #

    I remember a young Cuban boy named Elian Gonzalez who along with his mother came by boat seeking refuge in Florida. The boat capsized and his mother died. Relatives of the boy in Miami took him in, but the father in Cuba wanted his son back. Then the politicians stepped in, – We’re not sending this boy to that horrible country. Eventually cooler heads prevailed and he was to be sent back home, but not without a fight. The image of Elian hiding in a bedroom closet being uncovered by an official in full battle gear pointing a weapon at the terrified boy still lives in my mind.
    If someone is to blame in this horrible treatment of human beings it is the politicians who year after year use immigration as a football to be tossed to and fro to the advantage of one group over another. Manhattan would not survive without its army of undocumented immigrants to service its needs as it realistically cannot afford those services at legitimate prices, as is true of most cities in the US. Some states, contrarily, are being bankrupted by immigrants. Are these situations addressed in Washington? No. Let’s build a wall. The money spent on a wall would easily pay for effective border guard services.

    • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 11:55 am #

      Was mama on a boat or a raft? I recall someone looking at what she was about to float on and be horrified, no way would that thing float 90 miles.

      . Then the politicians stepped in, – We’re not sending this boy to that horrible country. / Clinton demanded he be returned.

      Eventually cooler heads prevailed / you must be fucking kidding.

      and he was to be sent back home, but not without a fight.

      The image of Elian hiding in a bedroom closet being uncovered by an official in full battle gear pointing a weapon at the terrified boy still lives in my mind./ Clintons swat team.

      • Luhrenloup June 22, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

        I’m assuming from your post that you hold mother partly to blame for her fate. Not having experienced the situation she found herself in to take such a risk, I will withhold judgment. But I do hold politicians to account. They wanted to stick it to Castro, and Cubans were told if they could find a way to get to Miami and place one foot on US soil, they were in, refugees of the Castro regime. They were playing politics with immigration. These kinds of moves just exacerbate the immigration problem. There needs to be hard and fast rules, irregardless of who’s in office.
        Clinton was a poll watcher, a man who sold out his democratic base to score because the republicans were making mincemeat with him.
        Of course, cooler heads prevailed! The boy belonged at home with his father. Incidentally, the boy went on the make a good productive life for himself.
        The Clinton swat team was a horror. He was a weak, disreputable president with his finger to the wind.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 1:12 pm #

      One group over another – as if Whites are just another group. We are the Founders, the Builder Race. There is no America worthy of the Name without us. You idea of a Nation is just a group grope orgy in the mud.

      • Luhrenloup June 22, 2018 at 1:34 pm #

        take a deep breath, Janos. In the reference to groups, I was referring to the political parties. Nowhere in my post do I refer to group grope orgies in the mud. Where would you get such an idea? I was raised by nuns in a Catholic boarding school for heaven’s sake. Get a grip!

        • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

          grip group gripe but dont group grope.

  15. volodya June 22, 2018 at 11:16 am #

    The comical part about this whole thing is that while the “resistance” does what it does with their own advantage in mind, they’re cutting their own throats.

    It’s really simple, and Bernie said it best, without borders there’s no United States of America.

    Ask the Romans, oh, sorry, they’re all gone. They’re gone because their borders were violated and the Romans failed to stop it. But the Romans knew it in their bones. The empire had a continuous existence from the 5th Century BC to the 15 Century AD and these Romans knew that without borders there would be none of the apparatus of their civilization; language, literature, customs, religion, roads, bridges, aqueducts, sewage systems, public baths, law courts, a huge corpus of legislation and jurisprudence to draw on and, not least, basic public order. Meaning you could travel on the extensive network of Roman roads without too much worry about bandits.

    And why did the empire last for such a long time? Because they defended the borders. Why did the west collapse? Because they finally failed in that basic mission. They let into their own territory too many people that they couldn’t assimilate, that kept their old tribal and ethnic loyalties from their days on the steppe lands, who decided they’d go it alone when authority from Rome faltered. These folk knew, just as much as the Romans knew, that they had to defend their farm-lands and territories, that the basis for their own existence was the land they occupied. The Huns, after all, were no joke.

    And why did the eastern empire collapse? Because it too in the end failed in that basic mission, Arabs from the south and then the Turks (far-distant relatives of the Huns) conquering and displacing. Simple as that.

    It’s a very easy concept, but what keeps the “resistance” from understanding their own peril is that in their own bones they’re unshakably convinced of their racial and cultural superiority over the peoples they’re letting in, that there’s nothing to fear from people that the “resistance” sees as so obviously inferior. Am I making an accusation of racism? You bet. I’m making an accusation of stupidity too, the two going hand-in-hand.

    No point cautioning the “resistance” on this point given their rock-solid immunity to basic fact and reason, that when the white, northern European ancestors of this same “resistance” were living in grass huts, the ancestors of the folk crowding the southern borders were building spectacular cities in Mexico and central and south America. Does the “resistance” seriously think that these outsiders don’t have the intellectual faculties and abilities to make a challenge for power, that they’ll simply take their positions as lettuce pickers without aspiration for high office, that they’ll just accept whatever the present-day elite gives it? Does this “resistance” not understand that their way isn’t the only way, that there’s a panoply of customs and values, many of them very different and inconsistent and incompatible with those of this “resistance”, that these new customs and values could easily become dominant?

    There’s many alternative trajectories for the future, one being elite replacement, another being chaos and fragmentation, like that of Dark Age Europe.

    This “resistance” occupies the upper rungs of power and wealth in the USA. They take utterly for granted that they can’t be toppled. I’d like to disabuse them of this notion, and so help me I’ve tried, but, in their over-confidence and assurance of their own unassailable dominance, these people will not listen. Too bad for them.

    Stupidity has never been an attribute treated kindly by the natural forces that determine who survives and who doesn’t and what the “resistance” manifests is an over-abundance of that very quality.

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    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 11:30 am #

      Using the William Burroughs method again I see.

      Barbarians came from the frozen north. Blues eyes mounted their dark olive skinned women when they came south to steal that which they did not have in their own lands. The frozen north was a baby factory which never stopped producing just as the torrid south is now. Displaced people were a result of natural overpopulation then as now. But now brown eyes invade blue and blue does not invade brown.

      The flip in contrasts is striking but there is something that has remained the same. Romans did not know what the fuck was going on and either do Americans.

      • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 11:31 am #


      • volodya June 22, 2018 at 11:49 am #

        It probably was over-population but the trouble apparently started in the far east. Some people think it was the Chinese building of the Great Wall that caused the steppe people to turn towards Europe. But that’s where it likely started, way out there in those grass-lands.

        And nobody could cope militarily with the Hunnic cavalry, not the Romans with their infantry formations, as flexible and mobile as they were, nor the Germanic peoples who were butchered by the Huns in the tens of thousands, which is why they sought refuge in the empire.

        In the end it was a matter of borders. You can make excuses, that the borders were too long and indefensible, that the Roman west just didn’t have the population that the eastern empire did, that constant civil wars to grab the emperor-ship depleted Roman strength, corruption, plagues etc. But, in the end, excuses are useless. In the end, the Romans couldn’t maintain their borders. It’s a lesson that too many Americans are blind to.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 1:58 pm #

          Yes, the West could never deal with mounted archers. Some Whites of Western Asia took up these tactics as well. The Parthians deviled the Romans with tactics like these and the famed “Parthian Shot” (a retreating over the shoulder shot of one’s pursuer). Yet strangely, Alexander the Great could deal with them. Perhaps the Persians of that time hadn’t adopted the tactics of the steppes yet.

          Neither you nor Kdog have yet to touch down fully to Earth and swear allegiance in your heart to your own People. But you show signs of it here in your warnings. And Kdog does fight against certain aspects of PC at times as well.

          Yes, the borders are the Skin of the Social Body, and the territory is the Body. How simple it is once one can see! Thus Sheldon Adelson wants Walls for his Nation, Israel, but none for America because that would get in the way of making money. Yet he is allowed to contribute to candidates just because he lives here or something. Bullshit.

        • draupnir June 22, 2018 at 2:23 pm #

          Atilla the Hun was called Atli in the Norse sagas and is mentioned in the Poetic Edda compiled by Snorri Sturluson. Apparently, he impressed the heck out of them.

  16. tucsonspur June 22, 2018 at 11:45 am #

    At the risk of sounding too harsh and too simplistic, a military presence on the border with shoot to kill orders would solve the problem almost immediately. After the appropriate warning period illegal crossers would be fired upon. A dozen or two dead non-believers would make the point.

    Obrador,the current front runner in the Mexican presidential race says that just about anybody should be able to enter the US whenever they want.

    And we have a DOJ employee also in the angry group heckling DHS secretary Nielson. Her effrontery, her utter insensitivity, eating in a Mexican restaurant.

    It all speaks to the perils of Democracy. The constrained approaches to solutions, the incessant, ineffective blabbering.
    East Germany was able to effectively keep people IN, for no noble purpose. We can’t keep people OUT for that most noble of purposes, national preservation.

    Let’s stop sucking at the nipple, playing with rattles, and crying like babies. Right, hardly a chance.

    • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 11:57 am #

      At the risk of sounding too harsh and too simplistic, a military presence on the border with shoot to kill orders would solve the problem almost immediately. –what about tunnels? Air planes? Boats….lots of ways for mestizos to jump the fences.

      • ozone June 22, 2018 at 12:03 pm #

        There’s more than a “risk” there. I would risk calling your comment, “Devoid of human feeling”. Never fear, you will be treated in kind eventually.

        • ozone June 22, 2018 at 12:05 pm #

          (That’s for the both of yez.)

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 2:00 pm #

          So just surrender then? Become a “dhimmi” or second class citizen just to be safe? What an uninspired message, a credo of defeat and slavery.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 2:02 pm #

      Bravo, it is that simple. All problems solved. Then deportations can begin.

      Tunnels Malthus? Tunnels? Of Love? We have ways of finding them, have no doubt on that score.

      • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 2:44 pm #

        What I mean is that if a solution is to be had, it must be more than a wall.
        Walls dont stop ships, do they?
        We both know no immigration is good immigration.

        Llet the ozones of this life go live in El Salvador.

        • Eoin June 22, 2018 at 3:38 pm #

          People should not have to leave their homes and native countries because of economic, or political causes. They should be given support to stay where they are and fight for what they need; that process makes their country, and by extension the world, a better place for all.
          Democracy, and/or Socialism, will work best locally- the aggregate result will be international, and this is what we should all be fighting for and supporting.
          With regard to Mexico, why isn’t Carlos Slim called to account for the mess that his country is in? How is it that he gets to own the NYT ?
          Consider this quote from a wall somewhere in Mexico ;
          en Espanol:
          Pancho Villa lucho contra los imperialistas de America, ahora su espiru debe derrotar a los imperialistas Mexicanos que hacen una pared Norte necessaria !
          Also, let’s remember that Mexico has constructed a southern wall.
          Trump is not wrong about illegal immigration, neither are those that agree with him. The Democrats, Republicans, and the billionaire corporatists, are the American Imperialists who want to continue making the United States part of their Global Plantation. They have all of the “house servants ” that they need, but they can never have enough “field workers” to vote for them and their agenda of servitude; which legitimizes it. It is not fascism to insist that the rule of law overlay American Culture, or what is left of it.

          • Tate June 23, 2018 at 9:58 pm #

            Yes, they can move around by helicopter. It’s a noisy way to travel but it will be worth it once they confiscate all our guns.

    • JohnAZ June 22, 2018 at 7:04 pm #

      A military presence would be useful. But a cutoff of funds into the human trafficking from the globalists would seal the fate of the caravans coming north. To find the guilty party, find who benefits the most by the onslaught of immigrants. Also who else is on the globalist payroll, who is pushing the illegal immigrant agenda domestically. Voting for Democrats is voting against our country.

      I heard something that made me a little ill, that a percentage of the immigrant kids in the “camps” are smuggled in with no parents at all, to be used for pedophiles. Again the Dems condoning the open border, promotes this horrific trade.

      • benr June 24, 2018 at 8:43 pm #

        Soros period end of story.

    • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 8:59 pm #

      “At the risk of sounding too harsh and too simplistic, a military presence on the border with shoot to kill orders ”

      Our own Kesa lived under those conditions…said it wasn’t so bad….

    • Bruce E June 22, 2018 at 11:00 pm #

      “At the risk of sounding too harsh and too simplistic, a military presence on the border with shoot to kill orders would solve the problem almost immediately.”

      Thank you for your modest proposal, Mr. Swift. Now, about your suggestion that we eat their children…

  17. Ryan H June 22, 2018 at 11:46 am #

    The problem is that Trump is exploiting what I call a “cruelty loophole” in the law. Yes, the chance to be cruel and still act within the law existed for some time. But previous administrations decided not to go in that direction. This is the first administration without a conscience, so they saw the opportunity to act heartlessly and took it. Blaming their actions on any other administration is either dishonest or just ignorant.

    This whole ordeal has really laid bare the intentions of Trump’s rock solid 30-35% base of support, the only people who seemed to be in favor of this policy. They want to see foreigners suffer. They see brown-skinned people as less than human. I can find no ends that could possibly justify these means, so that is the only logical conclusion I can come to. The suffering IS the ends. “You think your life is bad in El Salvador? We’ll treat ya worse!”

    Punishing children to get at the parents has always been something the U.S. has tried to avoid. But now we have state-sanctioned child abuse masquerading as “deterrence.” This has been a very dark week. Those who can’t see that have been so successfully hypnotized by right wing media that their moral compass is gone. And I come here and just see more of the same old curmudgeonly “Rachel Maddow diversity award Deep State” blather. It’s possible to have reasonable debate on immigration policy, but not when one side is putting kids in cages and screaming about an “infestation.”

    I’ve been reading for years, Jim, and listened to the Kunstlercast going back to 2008. I used to enjoy all of the commentary about architecture and city design. But somehow this has turned into another cog in the provocation/distraction machine, and I don’t need more of that. I registered just to leave this comment, but I’ll be unsubscribing and won’t be reading anymore.

    • malthuss June 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm #

      right wing media –you must read RWM—What I see is Time mags disinformation.
      Pity you wont be reading my comments.
      Try Slate, its more yr style.

      • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 12:31 pm #

        ” I registered just to leave this comment, but I’ll be unsubscribing and won’t be reading anymore.”

        Yeah…and then I’ll commit suicide…THEN they’ll be sorry…yeah….

        • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 12:37 pm #

          Hey, if he does leave at least there will be one problem solved.

        • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:47 pm #

          That shit never works. They aren’t sorry.

    • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 12:29 pm #

      “They want to see foreigners suffer”


      On the contrary…they don’t want to see foreigners at all. I think you are missing the point.

      ” Punishing children”

      Really? Please cite references. Or at least define “punishment”.

    • Tate June 22, 2018 at 12:53 pm #

      On your way out? Bye-bye.

      Don’t let the doorknob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

    • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm #

      The separation of children from parents is not done as a deterrent.

      It is done because limits on allowing parents to have their children with them in detention under federal law mean that the administration must choose between letting all illegal entrants to the US who are accompanied by a child go, and enter the US, or put the parents in detention and separate the children.

      Ted Cruz has proposed a good law to address this. Feinstein has proposed a bad law, one that makes “catch and release” the official legal policy.

      The left is going to discover in November that they are on the wrong side of public opinion on this. (they are even on the wrong side of compassion, because the side-effects of their policies are far more cruel than any cruelty that they are eliminating)

      • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm #

        Side effects of catch and release:

        Incentivizes millions more to come to the US illegally. Some die along the way. Some get raped. Some get captured by slave traders. Some become captives of drug lords.

        In addition, the influx floods the immigration courts. It means people entering the country illegally seeking asylum are stuck in detention for a long time awaiting a judge’s ruling on their case.

        Basically what catch and release does is create a broken immigration system.

        The mantra of the Democrats and other deep staters is that we need to fix our broken immigration system. I think more and more Americans are discovering to their dismay that the only tools in the Democrats’ repair shop are sledgehammers.

        • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 1:28 pm #

          By the way, people who have genuine grounds for asylum wind up immersed in a flood of applicants who have no case but came because they were told that this was an easy way to get let into the country. So the real refugees get screwed by the left wing policies.

          • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 2:28 am #

            I hardly think the left cares one way or the other. They certainly didn’t care when Obama was enforcing these policies.

            This is simply the left desperate for any issue that will galvanize them for the midterm elections.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 2:12 pm #

      No, please, no. We can’t live without you. We’ll try harder….

      Womp Womp.

      Ryan’s Daughter is a great movie, actually filmed in Ireland. Bout a girl who would not settle for mediocrity. The Priest had to box her ears!

      Ryan O’Neil didn’t seem to recognize his own daughter, Tatum, at the funeral of his wife. He started hitting on her apparently. Blame it on the bottle. But for Whiskey, the Irish would rule the world. Aqua Vitae, the Water of Life – but what is nectar for the gods is poison for man. Guess God didn’t want them to rule.

      One is reminded of Krishna destroying his sons, a race of Supermen. He realized that they would turn bad and then rule over the World during Kali Yuga, making it that much more worse that much faster. His sunken City, Dwarka, can be seen by divers just off the coast.

  18. ozone June 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm #

    When all policies and success is predicated on amoral opportunism, what do we expect is going to become of empathy and common sense cooperation?

    Look who occupies the Offal Orifice. Case closed.
    As Walter B. warns; make yourself ready, *whatever* that might entail. (I have a slightly different direction in mind than he does, but I feel it involves a lot of the same basic principles.)

    Good Luck.

    • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 12:07 pm #

      If you and are indeed different yet can coexist as peacefully as we do, perhaps others might do well to follow the example.

      • ozone June 22, 2018 at 9:07 pm #

        As a starting point, I think we can agree that the vigorous application of cruelty only begets more of the same. There’s a perfectly good reason that a lot of the admonitions and positive advice of religious texts apply to common sense dealings with our fellow humans, otherwise no one would follow these tenets! 😉

        IOW, I don’t believe that immiseration of our fellows gets us anything but trouble — and lots of it. Now that might not be the American way of doing things at present, who knows? Is that why I’m being asked to leave the country? (Not so sure I want to join the Church of Hooray For Me And Fuck You, but it seems to be the up-and-coming organization in this country.)

        • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 10:58 pm #

          Indeed, love may not beget love, but violence always begets more of the same. I have worked together with many a fellow human towards common goals and have always found great reward and always success in doing so. I have also struggled against many (and do so still) and in the end, you are fortunate to be at the same level you were beforehand and not below.

          Leaving the country may have its rewards for those who do, but it will certainly degrade the efforts of we who work to right the ship of wrongs and remain. In the end, we may not succeed, but fighting the good fight has a lot more value than running away, at least for me friend.

        • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 3:09 pm #


          The problem with your tenet is that keeping children safe in an abundance of caution, providing them with a safe environment, three hot meals a day (the same food the staff eats), snacks and desserts, bathroom facilities, warm cots to sleep in, activities and games, educational opportunities, etc., etc., would not be considered a vigorous application of cruelty by any rational human being.

          And of course you were admonishing Obama when he did the same thing. And you have the public posts to prove it.

          Why don’t you try to imagine what would happen to your children if they were to enter Haiti or Nigeria or hundreds of other nations as “refugees”. Then you will have a proper understanding of the terms you’re so blithely misapplying.

          How can you possibly argue that the USA is responsible for the immiseration of our fellows? The USA is the most generous and charitable nation on earth—bar none. The USA didn’t create the conditions that caused this mass migration of people. And I’m certain that if the USA were to invade these nations to set things right, to remove the geopolitical socioeconomic cultural conditions that compel people to leave in the first place, you would be the first to criticize that policy as well. You would call the USA invaders and imperialists and blah blah blah.

          Your have no answers, just a belief in your own self-righteousness, because you admonish others to sacrifice their lives for the less fortunate without consideration. Except I seriously doubt you practice what you preach. Have you truly sacrificed your family’s future so that other less fortunate families can reach your living standards? It’s easy to be morally supercilious when the problem is not literally on your doorstep.

          • ozone June 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm #

            You misunderstand.
            It’s ‘humans’ such as yourself who I was writing about. Who would you immiserate to ensure your standard of living? I would guess that brown folk would be first on your list of those who don’t deserve what you do.

            Obama was simply a continuation of the Cheney administration, and I had no fucking use for those “policies”. Whatever made you think I would support that? Immiseration and mass death by bomb and bullet. Sound like a good idea to you? Did you cheer that on as the late Kraphammer did?

            The hypocrisy of those blatantly cruel s.o.b.’s who would label themselves “conservatives” (who conserve nothing but their confirmation bias) continues to shock and amaze.

            “How can you possibly argue that the USA is responsible for the immiseration of our fellows?”


          • Exscotticus June 23, 2018 at 6:15 pm #

            >>> It’s ‘humans’ such as yourself who I was writing about.

            So your use of quotes here implies that hundreds of millions are less than human for not agreeing with your politics and policy?

            I don’t believe you’re subhuman. You just strike me as some sad guy trying to virtue-signal to his fellow Christians and god almighty that you’re worthy whereas others are not. Any god worth his salt can see right through all that to the hearts of men. And that is something you can’t do, although since you’re holier-than-thou, I’m guessing you think you can.

            It’s one thing to argue that a policy will not attain the desired goal. It’s another thing to claim the goals are wicked, cruel, and inhumane. How easily liberals apply those terms to any policy they don’t agree with. Like accusations of racism (which I see that you made, right on cue), the goal is to immediately end debate, to enlist emotionalism and to silence rationalism.

          • ozone June 23, 2018 at 8:32 pm #

            Keep a-diggin’; the more you sweat, the more that gold-plating dissolves away. Refreshing that you should think me “a believer” and double down by fathoming the mind of [a] god.

            I simply know what works to bind folks together and what divides them. Which approach do you prefer employing? (BTW, just to be clear, I have no desire to bond with anyone who would waste human potential. Waste is waste and in that regard, I happen to be very conservative.)

            Sometimes the policy and the desired goal are both cruel and wicked. All this shit-and-spittle-stained signaling is [at root] about cheap, untaxed and untaxable labor. And the ultimate American value: Profit.

    • draupnir June 22, 2018 at 2:56 pm #

      Oh, please – I was a Democrat from a long line of Democrats, but I watched the Obama Administration with confusion at first and then increasing concern as he continued policies of the Bush Administration. Ultimately I decided he was Bush in black face and I was convinced Hillary would have been Bush in a skirt, which lead inexorably to the question of who, exactly, is actually running the country. So now for something entirely different. I adore Trump. He’s doing exactly what I voted for him to do; throw his sabot into the works. The entertainment value alone is simply priceless. The increasingly shrill tantrums of the left, or whatever they actually are, as they are not Democrats as I understand that to be, are simply music (I seem to hear them always in the strident voice of Joyce Behar). Trump reminds me of Zaphod Beeblebrox. I fully expect him to serve part of his term from jail.

      • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 8:45 pm #

        Yes, they are/were all the same and Trump is different, like him or not. Those that think otherwise do not actually think at all anyway. Most people today are clinically insane – they insist on continuing to do the same thing over and over and expect to see different results. The lunatics have taken over the asylum!

  19. capt spaulding June 22, 2018 at 12:06 pm #

    The problems of illegal immigration all over the world will only get worse over time. The problems caused by the effects of global warming (starving, lack of water, war, etc.) will only get worse. There is no doubt that the third world will pay the heaviest price when it comes to these problems, but the problems aren’t gonna go away, if anything they will only get worse. Europeans countries are only now beginning to realize the problem they are facing, and the implications of the problems to come. It’s no different than being in a fully loaded lifeboat and having other survivors trying to climb aboard when there’s no more room. It’s an ugly situation with no good choices, but a decision has to be made. The decision will be to not allow anybody else to come aboard so as not to imperil the current occupants. There is no pleasant way out of this mess, but like Mr. Goodwrench says, “You can pay me now, or you can pay me later.” Will we allow everybody from the third world into Europe and America until we are as strained as Kolkata or Bangladesh? Face up to the problem now, while there is still time, or else leave your children to live with the consequences.

    • JohnAZ June 22, 2018 at 7:11 pm #

      The Europeans are going to rue the day they opened the border when the continent turns into the Middle East/North Africa. Nations in Europe have always taken pride in their cultures and heritage. What happens when that is removed? The globalists mark up a victory. Again, look to see who benefits to figure who is funding the invasion. Just like here.

  20. Walter B June 22, 2018 at 12:12 pm #

    I seriously doubt that the immigrants would risk so much to come here if where they were born was not so shitty. How much foreign aid do we send every year to all of these places and why are we not doing any due diligence to assure that the funds are used to make their homelands better for them? Yeah, I understand that “foreign aid” is simply payoffs with kickbacks, but I cannot understand why we can’t do anything to clean up at least some of the shitholes out there. Oh, that’s right, nobody gives a fuck, I forgot.

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    • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

      I’m for foreign aid, but it can’t do much. These issues pop up:

      1). Much of it goes to military assistance
      2). What goes to humanitarian assistance often gets wasted. And in some countries it is almost futile, when warlords confiscate aid to use for their own purposes.
      3). A lot of aid winds up primarily paying first world salaries to professionals from the west who are employed to assist. This is a big complaint I have read about aid the Gates foundation gives. Productive aid is most often going to have to be down and dirty, paying modest amounts to actual indigenous citizens to enable to do things that help their communities.
      4). Even if we gave foreign aid at the most generous level and it were used in the most beneficial way, with several billion people in the world living in severe poverty, it would probably not make much of a dent.

      • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 11:03 pm #

        If you point is that all of our efforts are wasted, then I have no reply for is it not apparent that all institutions of man are flawed?

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:24 pm #

      Parts of Africa received so much donated clothing that it destroyed the native tailoring industry. But it did enable young boy revolutionaries to dress up like women as they went into battle.

      Teach them to fish? They’ll eat the bait.

      • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 9:03 pm #

        Eat the bait? Another excellent one for the books.

      • GreenAlba June 23, 2018 at 11:38 am #


        As ever, you prefer to malign the weakest.


        “How Spain, Russia and other countries cheat the world out of billions of dollars in fish…”

        “Poor countries that can’t afford well-staffed coast guards suffer the most from flag-hopping. Researchers estimate that illegal fishing vessels cost developing countries between $4.9 billion and $11.3 billion in each year (pdf, p.53), at a minimum.”

        “Illegal fishing by foreign vessels costs West African countries some $1.5 billion in lost trade for domestic fishermen each year, and accounts for nearly 40% of the region’s catch. Guinea’s fishing industry, which employs 80,000 people and contributes 4% of its GDP, loses $105 million ever year to illegal fishing vessels, according to the Environmental Justice Foundation.

        “In East Africa, Mozambique’s government says illegal fishing of prawns and tuna caused $67 million in trade losses last year. Southeast Asian countries also suffer considerably; Indonesia says it loses $3 billion a year to illegal fishing.”

      • GreenAlba June 23, 2018 at 12:06 pm #

        You’re right about the effects of the trade in second-hand Western clothing (it’s a shame we can’t persuade people in Western countries to buy better quality clothing and less of it).

        It’s similar to the effect of dumping American wheat in African countries, during lean times, which can drastically cut the price of local produce and lead to the collapse of local businesses.

        If we’d spent the last 50 years doing more to put the brakes on climate change, that would have been a more useful effort to help struggling African countries and places like Bangladesh, threatened by rising sea levels and the leaching of sea water under farm land.

    • GreenAlba June 23, 2018 at 12:37 pm #

      This is the key, Walter.

      What gets me is that (for instance) we were told, back at the time of the WMD calumnies, that modern smart bombs could almost be posted through the exact letter box through which the armed forces wished to post them. This was, of course, aimed at making us feel less guilty and worried that our tax pounds/dollars (and political support, where given) would cause too much ‘collateral damage’ (splattered innocent human bodies and permanently maimed people).

      A great deal of human ingenuity (along with tax pounds/dollars) has been spent on aiming those bombs, successfully or unsuccessfully, through those metaphorical letter boxes, yet the wit of man hasn’t yet come up with some ideas about how well meant aid from well meaning people (not the more cynical members of the governing class) can’t be targeted in a way that actually achieves something positive.

      If we have military bases all over the world, why are there not bases of a different kind that ensure good outcomes from foreign aid – as a condition of the aid? That would obviously have to start with accepting that ‘foreign aid’ does not have the primary purpose of supporting jobs in our own countries – although if done properly, it might have the long-term side effect of doing just that – in addition to its primary aim of alleviating human suffering elsewhere.

      None of the people who desperately flee their own countries bears any moral responsibility for being born in that country, any more than any of us can take any moral credit for being born in the happier circumstances in which we have found ourselves.

      We know that there is no more effective way of spending money in poor countries than on the education and welfare of women, as this leads to increased family health awareness, better education generally, and a reduction in birth rates. Kerala in India is the obvious and oft-used example (although I don’t know if any of the investment in this strategy was from foreign funds).

      And we are asked to believe that, while our vast surveillance networks can almost tell you what you had for dinner last night, it’s somehow impossible to genuinely monitor the spending of donated funds on actual useful AID that isn’t derailed by the local mafia or wasted on the bloated expenses of foreign NGOs.

      • GreenAlba June 23, 2018 at 12:38 pm #

        Sorry, that was in response to your post of June 22, 2018 at 12:12 pm #

      • Walter B June 23, 2018 at 7:08 pm #

        I am not sure what time has done to this particular memory of mine, but I recall when Ronald Reagan was president, he authorized a campaign contribution to our “buddy” Ferdinand Marcos, president of the Philippines, of $12M dollars for his re-election campaign. I believe t was six months later, Marcos sent Reagan a campaign contribution for his re-election of $6M dollars. It is so easy to steal cash from the government when you are an insider that I am amazed that we did not collapse decades ago.

  21. Gonga Din June 22, 2018 at 12:24 pm #

    Oh yeah. Everybody thnks “Blade Runner” is cool, until it starts happening for real. Thanks, Ridley Scott.

  22. robert magill June 22, 2018 at 12:42 pm #

    None of this is new.  I am so sick of being fed BS by both sides. When was the last time anyone heard, speaking of the WALL, that what was at issue was extending the WALL: five hundred+ miles of which have existed for years. Most people think that it is WALL or NO WALL! Trump’s no help on this. He refuses to use the phrase “add to the wall” for whatever Trumpian kudos may occur. Also, the illegals at issue; those that do our dirty work, killing chickens, picking fruit have zero chance of official status because we have no green card for poor, uneducated, non English speakers. Maybe this latest cock-up will, at long last, force Congress to recognize this class. officially

    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 3:22 pm #

      There you go thinking again Robert! As for Congress doing something about anything, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you.

  23. butter56 June 22, 2018 at 12:45 pm #

    I do not understand why people think it is a smart idea to let unlimited numbers of poor people into the country. Saying that we were all once immigrants does not justify this policy. The conditions where mass immigration was appropriate no longer exist. The frontier closed a century ago and the era of industrial jobs began to decline forty years ago. Who actually benefits? The democrats, the top one percent? I find it hard to believe we need a million more poor people from conflicting cultures every year to pick strawberries and mow grass.
    And how is diversity better for us? The elite say we are better off but the never show any proof to the average American. It seems to me in 1965 the USA was a more hopeful can do place. I’m glad I got to see that era when I was a boy. The peak of America between the Normandy landings and the moon landings.

    • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 1:03 pm #

      The immigration policies supported by the left could be explained by a couple of hypotheses:

      1). They simply lack the intelligence to recognize that what appears superficially to be humanitarian, actually leads to massive humanitarian tragedies in the long run.

      2). They don’t care much about whether their policies do good or bad, they just feel there is a political advantage to diluting the US population with millions of new voters which they assume will support the party that let them in and offers them generous government funded programs.

      • Walter B June 22, 2018 at 1:09 pm #

        I believe that a lot of them live in gated communities and other segregated places where the effects of mass migration have little obvious effect. They tend to change their tunes quickly once they have been victimized themselves. Too late!

  24. BuckP June 22, 2018 at 12:46 pm #

    Why do the cartels and gangs flourish and terrorize the citizens of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Hondouras?
    Why are so many of these terrorized asylum-seeking citizens s trying to cross the southern border?

    The answer is America’s insatiable thirst for illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine, metamphetamine, etc.). The “shining city on the hill” has a drug problem. So much for the capitalistic version of nirvana!

    Since everyone is throwing stones:
    In 2009, the democratically elected president of Hondouras, Zelaya, who was left-leaning and wanted to make the governemnt work for the people not just the wealthy, was ousted in a military coup and replaced with a junta. Subsequently,the country has descended into chaos, anarchy and terror with cartels and gangs running the show.
    Obama and his then SOS Clinton, backed the junta and didn’t lift a finger in support of Zelaya.

    “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us”

    BTW, the Chinese and Russians are moving qt mach-speed to usurp the petrodollar, thereby, ending the dollar’s worldwide hegemony. At that time, border security, election shenanigans, metoo, etc. will take a backseat.

    • lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 12:59 pm #

      I’m not familiar with the politics of that country, but considering what happened in Venezuela I am highly skeptical that a Latin American politician of the left would actually have a governmental recipe that held promise of leading the people to a better life.

      • BuckP June 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

        Zelaya was left leaning not a Communist, who was democratically elected and tried use the government to aid the common man not just the wealthy. Sound familiar! I guess you prefer the right-leaning dictators and juntas, who destroy their countries with our help. Please explain!

  25. RB June 22, 2018 at 12:49 pm #

    People with darker skin pretty much hate your white guts. It would be a good idea to remember that as the complexion of the northern hemisphere continues to change. There will not be many, maybe none, liberal thinking dark skin folks with good attitudes towards their white neighbors. It may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen. That child coming in today might well be the one who decides your fate. I would not be optimistic about your chances. Perhaps white people and western culture should not survive. Be assured though that China, Japan and Korea are watching and learning. Australia shut down migration. The USA will go under. It is too late now.

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    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 2:39 pm #

      Well said. At the very least we’ll have to split up to maintain a White Super Majority. The Southwest is gonzo because of the Leftist Traitors. In the New Republic we will have Zero Tolerance for people like this. They aint getting in. And if in, they aint stayin’.

      • 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 2:57 pm #

        You said “New Republic” but forgot to provide the link to your lunatic’s page of Ayn Rand and Dale Carnegie bons mots.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm #

          No I wasn’t referring to those Jewish Lunatics. Libertarianism was created by Jews just like Communism. Far Right, Far Left – thus they bracket every issue and can control the dialogue and the dialectic.

          We have adopted some of their methods though, and are having an impact. Our memes are better and newer. Theirs are old and tired. They crowed in triumph too soon!

          • 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 10:37 pm #

            Who is Janos Guilt?

      • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 4:51 pm #

        If you had a black wife and kids your posterity would be assured. Then you could spend the rest of your time here enjoying life.

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:04 pm #

          No, the mixture of Black and White produces a Black. Their primitive traits overwhelm those of the White parent in almost all cases.

      • ozone June 22, 2018 at 7:26 pm #

        Somebody forgot which puppet’s strings to twiddle there. I love when that happens.

        • 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 10:40 pm #

          Who is Janos Galt?

          A hundred avatars… or more

  26. lsjogren June 22, 2018 at 12:56 pm #

    I think the left has the idea this latest hysteria is gaining traction, but I have seen no evidence so far.

    If the only outcome of the new wave of hysteria is that the the decibel level of ongoing screaming has been cranked up a few notches within their inbred intellectual cult, then the deep state/leftist axis has gained nothing.

    As to actual policy: I believe Kunstler is a bit mistaken that there is no difference in policies. Obama instituted catch and release, which as I recall Dubya also did. Letting non Mexican illegal border crossers into the country if they had a child with them. That is what Trump did away with.

    But everyone in Congress agrees families should not be separated. Ted Cruz has proposed funding to provide more judges to expedite asylum applications, more money for human detention facilities, and legalizing children staying with their parents in detention awaiting a ruling.

    Democrats, with the Feinstein bill, have proposed making catch and release the law of the land. All Democratic Senators have signed onto this. Many of them are running for re-election in states won by
    Trump in 2016. Whether you agree with the policy or not (and I can give detailed reason why it is horrific), the political implications are disastrous for the Democrats. Moderate or conservative states are not going to support catch and release. There is a good chance this issue allows the Republicans to run the table on competitive Senate races this November. Really the only hope the Democrats have is that the Republicans will shoot themselves in the foot rather than kill the political careers of their opponents with this powerful weapon the Democrats have kindly conferred upon them.

    • Tate June 22, 2018 at 1:05 pm #

      “There is a good chance this issue allows the Republicans to run the table on competitive Senate races this November. Really the only hope the Democrats have is that the Republicans will shoot themselves in the foot rather than kill the political careers of their opponents with this powerful weapon the Democrats have kindly conferred upon them.”

      Never underestimate the power of stupid.

      • draupnir June 22, 2018 at 7:50 pm #

        My mother was watching Bill Maher last week (she’s old – there’s nothing I can do about her political beliefs) and I heard him reading from some poll that indicated that 75% of Americans would vote in November for candidates who could help contain Trump, and I remembered all those polls that indicated Hillary was going to win in a landslide and their absolute confidence in them. Do they completely neglect fly-over country when they take these polls? What are they going to do if he gets and overwhelming mandate? Blow something up in pique?

  27. sauerkraut June 22, 2018 at 1:04 pm #

    The rot really set in when Ste. Ronnie did in the Fairness Doctrine, and vetoed Congress’s attempt to enshrine it in law. Now lies are the norm.

    Surely you can see that JHK? And what it has done to the country? Doesn’t anyone give a damn about the USA and what the alternatives are? Do you really want to be ruled by the Emperor of New China? ‘Cause that’s where it’s headed, and the CIA and cousins are all that stands between you and me and that reality.

    And now it’s “get the kids.” A bridge too far, JHK.

    • lbs June 22, 2018 at 9:48 pm #

      Fairness doctrine was a blatant attempt to shut down conservative opinion in the media. It would be useless today. Silencing dissent is a far tougher task for the left now that the internet exists.

  28. Jonesin June 22, 2018 at 1:24 pm #

    My oh my has this blog went off the deep end. All of this hysteria railing against PC SJW BS and Fake News and meanwhile JHK spouts his own brand of right-wing Fox News talking points. Pretty sad.

    Arguing that this is the SAME immigration policy as POTUS’s of yore? I almost lost a nice shirt spitting my coffee out there. Talk about some fake news for you. That is some grade-A Horse $&*t.

    I agree with many others here: the right wing veer that this blog has taken is tragic and unfortunate. For all the ills of the Left, the Right has many many problems themselves and it all starts with a serious lack of empathy and morality.

    Lord help us all.

    • volodya June 22, 2018 at 1:35 pm #

      The lack of empathy from the Right and from the Left is directed towards Americans they consider a cut below, those both the Right and Left think of as “Deplorable”. That’s how this got started. If the American Left and Right would turn their attention away from elite interests and towards the interests of what used to be the industrial working class, none of this discussion would be happening, Trump would be a game show host and not President.

    • jeff2002 June 22, 2018 at 1:40 pm #

      I’m not sure it’s the same immigration policy, but Obama did set the record for deportations.


  29. jeff2002 June 22, 2018 at 1:38 pm #

    ” . . .while the immigration officials try to figure out who their parents are.” That’s easy–they’re the adults holding the children. Except the police went and separated them. I guess it isn’t so easy now.

  30. homesteader June 22, 2018 at 2:00 pm #

    Back in the day, Kunstler and a few other bloggers had a huge influence on my thinking. I still read, but it has been a long time since I found anything useful here or learned anything new. Kunstler’s constant and useless bitching about the Left has nearly relegated him to irrelevance. And the comments? Basically a cesspool akin to Fox, with a few notable exceptions. Sad.

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    • Jigplate June 22, 2018 at 3:04 pm #

      You may feel that it is a good idea to flood America with millions of low iq poor, but your grand children will probably feel differently.

      • Tate June 24, 2018 at 10:47 pm #

        And they will curse him for what he did. They will say “Why do we have all these people living on our homestead, Grandpa?”

        Maybe they won’t curse him. He’ll probably blame it on Donald Trump.

    • RB June 22, 2018 at 3:47 pm #

      It may be that you are not thinking big enough. Mr. K has perhaps evolved due to his own intellect and powers of observation. The barbarians are not only at the gate but are well entrenched into the interior. Civility has disappeared. The perverse and the bizarre are embraced and are tattooed on the national behind. There is no fix for any of this. We have gone over the edge and there is no return to the very brief civilization we might have had. There is no moderation. No in between. This is a conglomeration of battles among ourselves. The national goose is cooked friend.

  31. PeteAtomic June 22, 2018 at 2:04 pm #

    I think the blowup & hysteria over the southern border obviously begs to the long overdue question of immigration reform. This is yet another issue which has solutions, but little happens because there is too much vested interest in vast pools of cheap labor who (and do) get exploited by a demonic pact of politicians and US agribusiness.

    Nobody wants to pay more money for the food we eat. Neither consumers, producers, or the government wants food prices to increase substantially, which they would have to do if agricultural workers were unionized and paid something akin to minimum wage or higher.

    The other political part of this equation is that the democrat party desperately needs an issue out there in an attempt to galvanize its byzantine-like puzzle of voters. The trouble with identity politics is, is that when you focus too heavily on specific minority rights to the detriment of others, you box yourself into a corner. So, the democrats have spent a lot of time on gay rights and trolling for black voters . I don’t see much reciprocity amongst these groups. There aren’t many (if any) blacks or gays marching with pro-Mexican groups, for example.

    But this points to another glaring and often unspoken of issue. Mexicans don’t give a shit about blacks or gays. So, for example, when Tim Kaine held pro-HRC rallies in the last election in Spanish, the title of his speech was “Faith, Family, and Work.”
    It is a speech which really is a deeply conservative appeal for traditionalism.

    • Farmer Joe June 22, 2018 at 5:43 pm #

      “Nobody wants to pay more money for the food we eat. Neither consumers, producers, or the government wants food prices to increase substantially, which they would have to do if agricultural workers were unionized and paid something akin to minimum wage or higher.”

      If the government got out of the business of subsidizing corporate mega farms we would be left with a situation where small scale, local, organic farmers would have a competitive edge. The quality of the food would actually increase, and many people who desire to get into the game now, but find it nearly impossible to compete with the convenience and engrained culture of supermarkets for customers would find the pathway to success far easier. I, for one, sell pasture finished beef. The meat is flavorful without the fat content of grocery store beef. I sell it, in bulk, for a price that is less than the price of cheap hamburger. That includes the steaks. The hard part is finding new customers, but when I do they keep coming back.

      The death of corporate agriculture will be a good thing for this country. Don’t believe the hype that says otherwise. Not only in the short term for quality and price, but for the long term sustainability goals that readers of this blog are in support of.

      • ozone June 22, 2018 at 7:46 pm #

        Thanks, Farmer Joe.
        That’s something actually worth pondering. Fat Cat subsidies are going to go the way of Unobtainium within a generation or three, so we’d be advised to think about a “different way of inhabiting the landscape” and git to doing it (as you are). The thick of crisis is not a good place to practice and experiment from.

  32. FincaInTheMountains June 22, 2018 at 2:04 pm #

    The answer is America’s insatiable thirst for illicit drugs == BuckP

    I’d put it slightly another way – US Deep State’s insatiable thirst for drug profits.

    Most are being driven by the drug mafia to cross the border with children to distract the attention of the border guards from caravans with drugs, and I have a sneaky suspicion that Mexican drug cartels are working in close coordination with US Deep State.


    That’s the only logical explanation why Clintonoids so obstinately hamper the construction of the wall at the border. The other, also plausible explanation, passage to Islamic terrorists trained in Syria for US urban warfare to act as Deep State’s shock troops.

    I doubt that highly qualified and experienced jihadists would be looking for any jobs mowing the suburban loans, so going after employers won’t solve the problem.

  33. amb June 22, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

    If the prosperous West had reached out earlier on a “teach them to fish” basis and helped countries to implement relevant and workable policies to improve their lot, evolve, give their population more opportunity, etc. everyone would be a lot better off. It is the duty of well off to help their fellow man (noblesse oblige). It is done by realizing that we are all one, humanity, and we need to help others to help themselves.

    Rome got what it deserved based on its policies. So did many other now defunct civilizations and societies. Same will happen to the USA and EU.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 22, 2018 at 2:21 pm #

      Same will happen to the USA and EU

      Fuck the EU!

    • ozone June 22, 2018 at 7:51 pm #

      Those inscrutable Chinese-type folk are on just such a track and seem to be succeeding. Damn un-American of them, I must say!

  34. DurangoKid June 22, 2018 at 2:41 pm #

    I haven’t taken the time to read all the replies, so I can’t say for sure that what I’m about to mention hasn’t been heretofore covered. I can say with some confidence that what I have to add hasn’t been deemed newsworthy by the opinion makers, Deep State or otherwise.

    What is it that brings people to our southern border? Several things. One, the economies of Central America are sputtering and getting worse. Since NAFTA millions of pounds of subsidized US corn has flooded Mexico and driven hundreds of thousands off the land. The market for locally grown corn has tanked. The oil situation in Mexico is on a permanent downward slide. We all know where that leads.

    Since the coup in Honduras, murder has become their national pass time, it seems. Does anyone remember the Obama administrations reaction to it? Hillary rolled out the red carpet. Notice any similarities between Nicaragua and Syria? You should. The US is at it again with money and support for anti-Noriega groups bent on setting up another Samosa style banana republic. Ditto Venezuela.

    And the drug trade. American’s just love their blow and black tar. Is there a connection between the worst healthcare system in the industrialized world and the flood of illegal drugs over the southern border? How about the punitive drug laws on this side of the border? What are they doing to fix the problem besides supplying US businesses with cheap prison labor? These two among others keep the drugs flowing and the bodies piling up. If you run afoul of the cartels your only choice it to run for it. Which direction? Any guesses?

    No administration has taken concrete steps to improve the underlying factors that keep desperate people scurrying towards the border. Trump is a convenient punching bag because of his bad manors. He struggles with euphemisms. He’s a bit of a klutz and somewhat clueless. And he’s in the spotlight. But, all of the problems I’ve mentioned go back to before Nixon’s time. For that matter, Smedly Butler’s time.

    The “Resistance” are worse than sore losers. One might expect a bunch of liberals to aspire to greater things. Nope. This is resounding proof otherwise.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 22, 2018 at 2:51 pm #

      Trump is a convenient punching bag because of his bad manors.

      One of his bad manners is punching back with a triple.

  35. 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 2:48 pm #

    Humans are migratory. No stopping it.

    However, in the meantime, people from the southern frontier are, and always have been, using children to further their migration into the US. It’s always an “aunt’ or an “uncle”, but they are not. It benefits everyone. The border agents can voluntarily/immediately remove kids with a guardian, and a guardian can use a kid to be released into the interior. This didn’t happen before, but, as always, lawyers worked at undermining the laws they mine in. Now a border officer puts paycheck and job over anything else, and rightly so, as the agencies are afraid to do what it takes. To call BS, play hardball. The Obysmal regime waited until the last half of his admin to hollow out the agency and allow in the forces at work, the lawyers, NGOs, and “stakeholders” that wanted it dismantled. It’s in the soros gameplay for those willing to check. Even appointed a former FBI man, first ever non border patrol chief to see it through. The culture of the immigration agencies has been eliminated. It’s not worth it to uphold the constitution, the IRCA, the CFRs.. nope. Just go home with a check, and hope you can live your life before the total third-worldification of your country. Brazil’s present is your future after all. Elites in cities in guarded oases. The poor in outer ring “burbs”.
    I digress. this game with children has been going on for ages. Ages. Many of these so called families are families of convenience. Dad, toiling away has a family (a woman/en he has knocked up a few times) here and back in the pais. Mom back in the pais will send junior when he is of working age, or recruitment age to join dad’s second familia, and send the pesos home to mom and the daughters, until he joins a gang.
    The wealthy with alligator tears don’t have to worry.
    They don’t live in the neighborhoods where they’ll reside. Their kids don’t attend the same schools. They won’t compete with them for jobs. They don’t use the same hospitals or medical care. It’s easy to stand up when it doesn’t affect you. It’s the poor american’s burden. And, as we know, the elite despise them more than anything else. They voted for Trump didn’t they?

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    • Ol' Scratch June 22, 2018 at 3:46 pm #

      Absolutely fucking brilliant, 100th! I salute you! To add, INS, ATF, and all the rest of the three letter agencies, the same. The rank and file just goes through the motions and collects a check, while the big money far above them in the corruption sphere calls the shots and skims off the top. And of course the CIA, NSA, and the assorted and sundry black ops agencies have now been completely hijacked and serve innumerable unmentionable global cabal actors whose names may never be uttered. I sense an end game approaching silently, but ever faster as we speak. It won’t be long now…

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:08 pm #

      Water is migratory. It is stopped to prevent flooding and produce energy – all the time.

      Why weren’t we invaded a century ago? Because we would have shot them on sight. And chased them deep into Mexico like we did with Pancho Villa. Likewise, the Europe: Why wasn’t it invaded a hundred years ago? It was too strong. Why don’t the Muslims invade Israel? Because they’ll die, that’s why.

      Get it?

      • 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 10:49 pm #

        Do you get it?

        Why was their guard lowered?

        Why do they project inclusiveness and not fear?

        What’s in it for them.

        You see the trees in great detail, but never, ever the forest.

        An almost congenital deficiency.

        And this is why you lose.

        Because you never know how your adversary wins

        If you even knew your adversary

        • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 11:49 pm #

          I know you and yours are our adversaries. And more and more of us are realizing it all the time. But yes, a masterful job I must admit. You have actualized our potential for self destruction to an extraordinary degree. But if you think you’ll have a moment of peace here without us, you’re the one who is fantasizing.

  36. pablohoney June 22, 2018 at 3:47 pm #

    I see I’m not alone in reaching the sad conclusion that this blog went off-course to starboard long ago, devolving from an insightful weekly look at the Long Emergency and Geography of Nowhere to a sort of bi-weekly Fox News Lite, doubling down on the fact that Mr. Kunstler has nothing relevant or accurate to say these days. “Write what you know” is a theme that Mr. K. would be wise to reconsider; he has clearly been out of his depth for some time now.

    This latest rubbish conflating asylum seekers with illegal immigrants and spouting lots of unsourced nonsense about how good the kids have it in the camps and the rest of the yabut othersideism absolutely reeks. Has Fox and Friends called yet asking you to warm up the couch for them?

    Anyway I’m out — I’ve got too much already on my RSS plate to be wasting my time — there are so many other journalists doing thoughtful, insightful work — Charles P. Pierce and Jack Holmes at Esquire, Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo, Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel.net, just to name a few of many. Hopefully Mr. Kunstler will get back to writing about Peak Oil and the foolhardiness of Happy Motoring and the Great Suburban Waste, since these topics seem to have fallen by the wayside as of late, lost in the noise of the daily Trump Shitshow.

    • RB June 22, 2018 at 4:00 pm #

      It seems disingenuous to cease reading a brief blog because the highly intelligent author is saying some things he feels need saying. And then you sabotage his blog by listing other sites you find more agreeable. my goodness we are in a national declination where freedom of speech is in daily jeopardy. Where there is a level of corruption in the highest law enforcement agencies that is frightening. Where there is an active campaign to bring about the overthrow of a legally elected president. Where the IRS has actively worked against conservative activities. Where young males are guilty if only accused. Peak oil? We are losing the country.

      • pablohoney June 22, 2018 at 9:01 pm #

        That’s not what disingenuous means — I made a straightforward and unambiguous statement about why I felt this blog was no longer worth reading.

        I did not sabotage the blog by providing contrasting points of view for comparison and/or edification — I am not the government, so you are still free to read or not read whatever you like. Read them all, and make up your own mind — I highly recommend it.

    • James Howard Kunstler June 22, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

      Pablo– Are you quite certain that all these illegal immigrants are genuine asylum-seekers? How did you discover this? Anybody can say that, especially someone getting caught crossing the border illegally. I’d guess, more likely you’re just repeating something you heard on CNN. Which isn’;t saying much, except that you are mighty credulous. — JHK

      • runtime89 June 22, 2018 at 5:05 pm #

        And are you quite certain they are not genuine asylum-seekers? Are you quite certain these people walked and rode on top of trains through the entirety of Mexico with their children in tow because they heard of a magical land where old cranks like you toil all day to pay for their SNAP benefits? What are you even implying as far a motive for border crossings? How did you discover that the adults crossing with children don’t care about said children? Do you leave it up to the clairvoyance of the mush-brained gorillas working for ICE to instantly intuit whether a bond exists between the children and the adults accompanying them before whisking the kids away to be “bathed”?

        I read your blog regularly because of your unique perspective on things, but you really aren’t using your head here. Just because the left cries wolf constantly doesn’t mean this whole family separation thing isn’t atrocious. This country has put a target on the children of illegal migrants because they know that’s the motivation behind the migration in the first place. El Salvador and Honduras are a f’ing mess right now. A functioning border is a good thing, regulation of immigration is a good thing, but kidnapping peoples’ kids because we can’t get our act together on immigration is pathetic and barbaric.

        • Tate June 22, 2018 at 5:41 pm #

          “the mush-brained gorillas working for ICE”

          Nobody can call you partisan, can they?

          • runtime89 June 22, 2018 at 6:45 pm #

            Is every CBP/ICE agent a member of the same political party? Did I miss the memo? How is that partisan? I object strongly to what they are doing.

          • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 6:47 pm #

            Probably just calling a thing by its real name. Can you really get on him for that?

          • Tate June 22, 2018 at 7:43 pm #

            Well yes, I can, because they are NOT “mush-brained gorillas” by & large.

        • DrGonzo June 22, 2018 at 10:01 pm #

          Ouch. Smack down! Runtime, 1. Kunstler, 0.

      • 100th Avatar June 22, 2018 at 10:30 pm #

        Prior deportees and many on outstanding removal/deportation orders can claim fear of return.
        For any reason.
        You can get deported come back, claim fear, get a negative fear ruling, get deported, come back mañana, claim fear, get deported, come back, claim fear..
        Fear claims burden the legitimate asylum system, the immigration courts, and the immigration detention facilities.
        They create a bottle neck that breaks the whole system down.
        It was fine for a while as people monetized it.
        Private prisons and then BI of GEO, headed by Julie Myers and various immigration alums that make money off of electronic monitoring.
        Follow the $
        Why has the press been martialed?
        Really why?

        A multi-billion industry of private prisons and alternative detention programs (ankle GPS) is in jeopardy.

        It’s in their interest to have people out and about and reporting to their offices scattered throughout the US. Gotta keep customers coming in.
        Including job and food shortages or monies owed.
        They can even get withholding of removal for being gang members who, quite obviously, are persecuted by law enforcement in their home countries.
        Obysmal allowed USCIS to entertain these claims, in fact he worked with the Dept. of Justice, they administer the EOIR (immigration court), to make sure these claims were not only accepted, but granted favorable decisions of asylum D-CAT, and withholding of removal.
        Up until Obama, the claims had to be specifically government persecution. But it broadened.
        Monies owed, gay, high crime rates, abysive relatives.
        And the EOIR sided with them. And OILA and OCC of DHS capitulated,
        Appeals were not to be approved by prosecutors boards.
        Besides, you’re too busy, and your docket is overflowing.
        If they don’t care
        Why should I
        Game over
        Just pay me
        It’s all about getting paid, and the manufactured rage of the gullible liberals pays well.
        Black or red, the house wins

      • DrGonzo June 22, 2018 at 10:54 pm #

        James, it takes a lot of chutzpah for somebody who believed the doomers a decade ago, that global oil consumption had reached an all-time peak at 82 million barrels a day (its 99 million now), and the DJIA a 10,000 peak hyoid know what it is now), to accuse someone ELSE as being “credulous”.

      • pablohoney June 22, 2018 at 11:00 pm #

        A loaded question that presumes the illegality of everyone being detained, when the act of seeking asylum is not a crime.

        Am I certain that they are all asylum-seekers? No. I am reasonably certain that not all of them crossed the border illegally — some who were not physically blocked and turned away by CBP at the regular border stations attempted to claim asylum and were promptly detained and separated from their children for their trouble and effort.

        Pretty much all of my news gets to me through the good old internet, via various RSS feeds and email newsletters I have subscribed to, as well as the occasional Metafilter megathread parsing the 24/7 news/noise cycle. No CNN, no FOX, no MSDNC — no TV for that matter. Is this the most infallible source for news? No, but if you know where or what that source may be then do let me know; for now I’m just doing the best I can to ascertain what the fuck is really going on, like everybody else in here. I’ll confess to not being omniscient, but I’m certainly not credulous.

        Read that second paragraph again and tell me: what makes YOU so certain?

      • Sean Coleman June 23, 2018 at 5:51 pm #

        I dipped into the story of Dominique Strauss-Kahn of the IMF who was accused of sexually assaulting a black maid in a NY Hotel. An undisclosed settlement was reached and she openened a West African restaurtant.

        From a NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/nyregion/housekeepers-false-tale-undid-strauss-kahn-case.html

        “When confronted with the fact that her written asylum application statement made no mention of the gang rape, she stated that she had fabricated the gang rape, as well as other details of her life in Guinea, in collaboration with an unnamed male with whom she consulted as she was preparing to seek asylum,” the court papers state. “She told prosecutors this man had given her a cassette tape that included an account of a fictional rape, which she had memorized. Ultimately, she told prosecutors she decided not to reference the rape in her written application.

        “So the gang rape was not a piece of her history, not even a fictitious piece adopted for the sake of the asylum application. Whatever logic, if any, drove her to recount it to the district attorney’s staff, they could see it only as a stunning demonstration of her ability to weep over a sexual assault that had never taken place, and then to quickly pile another falsehood on top of it.

        ““Most significant is her ability to recount that fiction as fact with complete conviction,” the prosecutors wrote.”

    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 6:55 pm #

      Don’t let the screen door slam your ass.

  37. DrGonzo June 22, 2018 at 5:19 pm #

    Meanwhile, Melania cynically broadcasts to the world that she “Really doesn’t care”.

    I used to be more or less neutral toward Melania and the weird plight she currently finds herself in. But must confess, that bizarre and adolescent dog-whistle act to the racist right leaves me quite speechless. I can only imagine the right-wing hysteria and outrage that would have exploded from sea to shining Fox Nooze sea if Michelle Obama had worn such a jacket. Anywhere. At any time. For any reason.

    How rapidly the cult of Trump has eroded our collective ability to behave like adults and display any public compassion any more.

    But JHK don’t care. Do U?

    • K-Dog June 22, 2018 at 6:53 pm #

      Having her being the kind gentle maternal figure is going to backfire. Better she go back to hiding. That she does not care. I believe her.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:19 pm #

        God, you guys are so negative. So eager to believe the worst about her. She doesn’t care about the Media. That’s what it meant. I wish it meant she didn’t care about the “keeds”. But she went down there to see them, didn’t she?

        • DrGonzo June 22, 2018 at 10:17 pm #

          Janos, admit it: you went batshit crazy with anger when you saw Michelle Obama do a simple fist-bump. You probably fumed apolplectic with rage when you watched her try to get our children to eat healthier food and exercise.

          But, right: you would have said, “uh, meh” if Michelle had worn this “I don’t really care” jacket to, say, a meeting with unemployed coalworkers? Give me a break. You’re as transparent as Stormy Daniels’ negligee.

          The double standard on the right is staggering, and the tolerance for incompetent leadership demoralizing. I want my country back from the clown cartel in the White House.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 11:44 pm #

            A fist bump? Are you saying that she’s really a guy? I’m willing to consider your outré theory. I’m still wondering about the time when she referred to herself as a single mother.

          • K-Dog June 23, 2018 at 2:17 am #

            Don’t think too hard about it. People in politics are always trying hard to identify with potential supporters which makes them say stupid things like that from time to time. She was trying to suck up to single mothers. As soon as she said it she probably thought “Oh fuck” in her head.

        • K-Dog June 23, 2018 at 2:12 am #

          That we have to wonder what it meant is the problem. It could mean she doesn’t care about Stormy. It could mean she does not care about Trump. Her insouciant attitude is demonstrated by wearing that coat. The point is that we don’t know what it means which means everybody is going to take it wrong no matter what.

          So: Having her being the kind gentle maternal figure is going to backfire. Better she go back to hiding.

          Wearing her ambiguous coat shows she does not care. I have to say if I had any gay fashion sense genes I’d be having a fit. As it is I don’t care that it is a horrible fashion statement but I do know it is one. One does not have to be gay to see that.

      • Tate June 22, 2018 at 7:48 pm #

        It was refreshing she wore that jacket. No one’s capacity for compassion is infinite. We care about those close to us, our family & maybe a few close friends & that’s about it unless you’re a professional virtue signaler…

        uh, wait.

        • K-Dog June 23, 2018 at 2:19 am #

          Ah yeah, that sort of goes with the job!

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:11 pm #

      Invaders deserve no compassion. Lewandowski’s Womp Womp was the Womp Womp heard around the world. It changed everything. Future historians and philogists will be flummoxed trying to figure out what it meant. They’ll probably conclude it was a magic spell. And they won’t be wrong….

      • malthuss June 23, 2018 at 1:24 am #

        she referred to herself as a single mother.
        In one interview, she cannot remember how long she has been married.

        Do you think Joan Rivers was murdered?
        Have you seen the clip of her as she is about to enter the hospital?

        • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 3:49 pm #

          Good old blood and guts, Malthus! Always interest in the “red, red Vino!

          See my youtube below about the roots of the Homosexual takeover of the Church. From decades ago by a conservative Priest who warned that people wouldn’t believe what he was about to say – cuz he didn’t believe it either. And since people don’t easily believe such things, such things are entirely possible.

          I don’t know about Rivers. I’m open. I used to be open about not going to the moon, but I’m now leaning towards that we didn’t go.

  38. Billy Hill June 22, 2018 at 5:34 pm #

    The obvious solution to the whole mess:

    Put them all on a train (well, a bus would be more reliable) to Canada!

    Emulate Mexico. Let ’em pass through.

    • Tate June 22, 2018 at 6:07 pm #

      Didn’t Paulo express an interest in sheltering a portion of them on his land on Vancouver Island?

    • pequiste June 22, 2018 at 9:38 pm #

      Great idea Billy!

      And, just to show that he reallly cares, much like Rachel ” Real Crocodile Tears” Maddow, the CFN’s own Elrond can buy all those sweet little children coming to Toronto and the Great White North’s hinterlands, some Timmy Hortons’ famous crullers.

      They, the invading hordes and their kiddies, will be thrilled to get some also-famous Canaydian healthcare and “pogie” while being oh-so-considerately served in Spanish. Your taxes hard at work saving the world: one million refugees at a time.

      But who, among the huge-hearted Northern Neighbors, is going to pay for the children’s’ Sorel boots and shopping excursions to the Canadian Tire tho? You are!

      Yes, I’m certain that Prime Minister Trudeau has a brilliant plan to raise both the G.S.T. and provincial V.A.Ts. to cover the expenses of the Nuevos Canadianos.

      Take them all. At least you might finally be able to get a good breakfast burrito in Saskatoon or The Sault for that matter.

  39. FincaInTheMountains June 22, 2018 at 7:05 pm #

    June 22, 1941 at 4 o’clock in the morning began the Great Patriotic War



    One of my blogger acquaintance, a professor of Russian literature at the American University, posted the first video on his blog, and I added a second one to it and commented that Americans would never understand why the Russians from the first song clench their fists no less than, and maybe stronger than from the second, despite the solemnity of the music.

    And the better they know the Russian language and literature, the worse they understand it.

    Mysterious Russian soul, however!


  40. Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:14 pm #

    If a woman is raped by a guy with problems as opposed to a guy born with a silver spoon is his mouth, does it really change things for her? Make her feel Ok about being raped by the lowlife? Just so, it doesn’t matter to Us whether we are inundated by Refugees (even real ones) or immigrants (even legal ones), we will still drown in the Dark Tide.

    Build a Fortress America. Fortify the Camp of the Saints!

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  41. Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 7:17 pm #

    This is presentation by Roy Beck of Numbers using gumballs is generally considered the best explanation of why immigration can’t save the poor of the world, be they immigrants or “refugees”. It can destroy America and the West though – and to the Leftist Loon, that’s justification enough.


  42. Pucker June 22, 2018 at 8:23 pm #

    “Kill Moby Dick, the Great White Male!”

    • capt spaulding June 22, 2018 at 8:57 pm #

      Isn’t Moby Dick another name for venereal disease?

      • elysianfield June 22, 2018 at 9:18 pm #

        “Isn’t Moby Dick another name for venereal disease?”

        Uhh, Captain…put the book down and back away slowly….

  43. pequiste June 22, 2018 at 11:13 pm #

    After watching the clip of media whore (and famously disinterested in males,) Rachel Maddow feigning horror over the policy of separating children from their families as a result of illegal border crossings, and hir subsequent torrent of lacrimation; well I was completely nonplussed.

    Rachel Maddow probably considers a woman’s right to an abortion to be a secular sacrament.


    That’s what’s known as really caring for little children. So much for the MSNBC TeeVee presenter’s validity as a source of impartial reportage and informed editorialization.

    (I do think that much of The Third world hordes that threaten The West could probably benefit by using abortion as birth control. Third World Planned Parenthood clinics as a new strategic military policy perhaps? Hmmm.)

    Then there is the hysteria from the side of the political spectrum that used to be known as the “Left”. I am unsure what nomenclature can be used today to characterize the Democrat Party of the likes of national legislative leaders C. Schumer, N. Pelosi, or state governors J. Brown and A. Cuomo?

    However one cares to characterize the persons and their official policies – we might have to face the cold truth and agree that what these folks stand for is nothing short of “nuts’. They can’t afford to properly take care of their own constituencies and residents, let alone budgets…they want to take care of everyone else and their problems?

    Then consider the outburst of renown top-tier geo-political scholar, scientist, and all around Easy Rider; Peter Fonda. Calling for violence against the president’s family in an ugly, misogynistic, hateful set of public communications which should have been met, not only with the opprobrium of all civilized persons but his immediate arrest by the Secret Service for his adventure in threats against the Chief Executive, First Lady, and children. The use of disgusting language against females should have also been immediately addressed by his Hollyweird celebrity friends Madonna, Sarah Silverman, and Ashley Judd. That would have learned him right!? All I heard was crickets. Oh yeah the de riguer “aw shucks” after-the-fact apology.

    The idiotic three-ring circus America is displaying for the world regarding the “Immigration Crisis’ is fine fodder for those who point to the U.S.A. and say it is likened unto the Greek mythological great Talos, guardian and protector of Europa in Crete:


    Jason and his Argonauts, pre-eminent adventurers and raiders, after having taken and secured the Golden Fleece, killed the gargantuan statue. (I know there is a lesson in there somewhere for the great, powerful and seemingly invincible of today’s world in the timeless mythic tale.)

    Fact is all this nonsense is due to the plain fact of non-consequentiality of behavior in public and private spheres, here on the cusp of “let’s leave it to the Computer to make the right decision and do the right thing.”

    The only solution to the immigration problem other than a complete moratorium immigration until about 2050, or a robust cordon sanitarie around The First World, would just happen to be a Hyper-finance Capitalist one:

    One MUST have a ticket to get into the World’s Greatest Freak SHow – The United States of America. Just like Diznee World doesn’t give a good God damn about your race, religion, sex, gender identity, national origin or immigration status – we shouldn’t either. Diznee only cares about your MONEY! Just make whoever it is who wants to come here pay up. Pay up. PAY THE FUCK UP. Cash, money order or credit card. NO PERSONAL CHECKS.

    (With high enough ticket prices (say the cost of a fully loaded Ford F-250 supercab or a 500 series Mercedes for each visitor/guest/refugee/illegal alien/tourist) the U.S.could probably pay off the national debt in 10 years. Run it by David Stockman.)

    That is how the world really works – and if you don’t pay up then you can’t come in. And if by chance you snuck in to the Circus without a ticket — well God damn you and your family: put them all to work all together in a sequestered coal mine, or somewhere windy in the Aleutian Islands making hospital grade saline solution, or cleaning up a Superfund site or a nuclear waste treatment plant for that matter. You want due process? Buy a ticket like everyone else, present it at the entry and keep your stub (or get a newfangled wristband like at Diznee or maybe an RFID chip for the techie crowd). Just make the consequences of not having a ticket bad enough that word gets around. And believe, me bad news travels fast.

    • Janos Skorenzy June 22, 2018 at 11:42 pm #

      Yes, a very bad precedent has been set, with the Entertainment Elite now allowed to make death threats against the President. This is simply not acceptable.

      Found an interesting book about the Kennedy Assassination written by a military turned police sniper. He went to the window, which had become a tourist attraction and realized it was a lie. The window was a very bad angle and he couldn’t have more those shots, therefore Oswald, a much lower grade marksmen, couldn’t have either.

      Titled “Kill Zone” by Craig Roberts.

      • elysianfield June 23, 2018 at 12:15 pm #

        …But the Warren Commission seemed to indicate that the 1891 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was the most accurate, and fastest shooting weapon of WWII.

        Actually, they were, by far, the crudest made battle rifle of the war…rudimentary sights, rough actions…I own more than a few. During the “inquest”, Marine Snipers could not duplicate the shots with the weapon in question…Marine Snipers…not someone with a “Marksmanship” badge….

        Consider that the cheap (and I mean cheapest) scope that was side mounted on the scope can collimate with the bore at only one point, and cannot be easily “ranged” at different distances by holdover….

        • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 1:34 pm #

          Yeah, even in the introduction he mentions the rifle is crap.

    • Farmer Joe June 23, 2018 at 12:32 pm #

      “PAY THE FUCK UP.”

      I looked into emigrating to New Zealand about 15 years ago. Their requirements were similar. Either come with a skilled trade (I.e. doctor, engineer, farmer) or a bunch of money for investing. I think it was a quarter million.

      • malthuss June 24, 2018 at 8:44 pm #

        I believe back then, be under 35.
        Now a feminazi / left rule…bring in non Whites.
        Non citizens cant own land. Like Au.

    • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 9:26 am #

      “Rachel Maddow probably considers a woman’s right to an abortion to be a secular sacrament…”

      “(I do think that much of The Third world hordes that threaten The West could probably benefit by using abortion as birth control. Third World Planned Parenthood clinics as a new strategic military policy perhaps? Hmmm.)”

      Hmmm indeed… some interesting thoughts for the religious right (which is not homogeneous, hence some conflicting questions) and for conservatives generally.

      Firstly, though, it should be remembered that one of the first things Trump did on taking office, in order to appease the religious right, was to stop funds to exactly the kind of planned parenthood centres you propose, globally, if they provide information on abortion (they don’t need to offer or even recommend abortion in any way, just to provide information on safe providers if a woman feels abortion is her only option).

      The result of that, which could have been predicted by anyone with any experience in the matter (or even a modicum of insight into the lives of the desperate) has been an increase in abortions (but backstreet ones, so leaving more existing children motherless following increased maternal deaths), since free contraceptive availability has gone with those clinics which haven’t been able to stay open.


      But the juxtaposition of your two points above is interesting.

      Is abortion outrageous and morally wrong for Americans but expedient and justifiable for the ‘third world hordes’ who risk coming to the West if population pressures help propel them?

      Is it fair to condemn people in third world countries for having large families without equal condemnation of those religious organisations that have waged an endless war against contraception?

      Personally, I would prefer abortion (anywhere) to be a last resort (which I think it actually is to the majority of people) but it wouldn’t be up to me to judge a destitute Haitian woman expecting yet another baby, maybe with a husband who refuses to use a condom. It’s pointed out in the article that many women in such communities prefer contraceptive injections to other methods precisely because they risk less ‘backlash’.

      But, as I said, it’s the juxtaposition of your two statements that stood out for me. If people are going to make philosophical points about the rightness or wrongness of abortion, it’s helpful if they’re consistent.

      • pequiste June 24, 2018 at 1:07 pm #

        For myself – I don’t care one bit what decision an adult woman makes regarding abortion. If idiot or ignorant enough to prevent conception in the first place and she wants to kill the fetus – O.K. by me. I do NOT want to pay for it. In the same vein; should an individual want to commit suicide – have at it. Just don’t hurt anyone else. Have insurance to clean up any leftover mess. Cold and unfeeling. Yep. Empirical knowledge has made this position easy.

        Should The West, or The First World, be responsible for taking care of the unbridled fecundity of The Third World? The West cannot take care of the folks already present. How many living in poverty in the U.S.A.? On Food Stamps (SNAP program?) Abused and discarded old people? Homeless veterans? Orphaned children? The answer is more than enough and plenty to go around. Still social programs are being reduced in the name of fiscal restraint (well except for the Department of Defense (quite the “social program” that, as those evil Russkies and wicked Muzzies are existential threats to the nation.) However, should the cost of opening and operating Planned Parenthood clinics in The Third World is cheaper than funding certain parts of the Department of Defense then it should be explored as an expedient method to save money.

        Behaviours and actions in all cases and unrestrained anything should always be the responsibility of the individuals, organizations, or states engaging in it. It all goes back to the concept of responsibility and consequentiality for actions.

        Natural Law has no shortcomings like it: step off into a 300 foot deep chasm and splat. Spend many trillions of dollars to help bring Democracy to Shitholistan or bringing modern civilization to Africa; well those are choices we are ignorant or idiot enough to make. And we shall pay the consequences for those choices whether we like it or not.

        As for holding two opposing philosophical concepts in mind at the same time: all things are possible in a psychotic state – the kind of state the world is in.

        • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 3:25 pm #

          ” If idiot or ignorant enough to prevent conception in the first place and she wants to kill the fetus – O.K. by me. ”

          For the extremely poor who can’t afford any kind of contraception they need to buy from a pharmacy and therefore rely on free services from a planned parenthood clinic, it’s not necessarily about ignorance or idiocy (although one might want to have a go at the husband who won’t help and who actively tries to prevent her using contraception if he finds out about her using it).

          I wasn’t suggesting you should feel OBLIGED to pay for any of this. You mentioned a form of enlightened self-interest in your initial suggestion – I think we’re agreeing on that, since reduced birthrates in poor countries are unmitigated good news for western countries too.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 3:54 pm #

            You weren’t suggesting it (here) but I have no doubt you believe in exactly that.

            Trickery worthy of the Fabians. Have you made a pilgrimage to the famous window depicting a wolf putting on sheep’s clothing?

          • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 4:07 pm #

            “You weren’t suggesting it (here) but I have no doubt you believe in exactly that.”

            Janos, there is nothing whatever I can do about your choice to believe whatever you choose or imagine because it suits you.

            Nor do I care. I’d have to value your opinion for that.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 6:03 pm #

            Or perhaps you weren’t suggesting he feel Obliged, just that he is Obliged and thus should be forced to pay.

            There are no societies without coercion of some kind and of some degree. We are agreed on that I think. It’s “just” our motive and goals that our different. My coercion would be that which preserved and ennobled the Nations and Peoples of European Descent. Your coercion would be that which degraded and destroyed them by encouraging mass immigration (including refugees) and miscegenation.

          • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 6:47 pm #


            I’m not interested in your ‘perhapses’ relating to what you want me to have meant.

            I said what I meant to say and have nothing further to say on the matter.

            You make something up entirely by yourself and then, to add insult to injury, you accuse me of ‘Trickery worthy of the Fabians’ on the basis of YOUR inventions. Not that your nonsense is significant enough to make me feel either insulted or injured – it’s just a figure of speech. Again I’d need to care about your opinion and all you’re doing is making me care even less about it, if that were possible.

            Go and make something up about someone else.

  44. Pucker June 23, 2018 at 3:15 am #

    How much of Jesus’ success was because of his White Privilege?

    • Farmer Joe June 23, 2018 at 12:33 pm #

      Jesus was black :-p

      • elysianfield June 24, 2018 at 11:40 am #

        Farmer Joe,
        Black? With blue eyes and long blond hair (I’ve seen the pics!)?

  45. Walter B June 23, 2018 at 6:17 am #

    In a somewhat related article on MSN today it is claimed that while ” the United States has the highest rates of youth poverty infant mortality, incarceration, income inequality and obesity in all of the developed world, as well as 40 million people living in poverty,” and it also notes that all of the statistics that prove this date from before Donald Trump was president, it is being claimed that it is his fault because his policies are going to make it all worse. Wow, perhaps he is also responsible for disease, hunger, and slow internet speeds as well. Gee whiz, this guy is far more evil that I could have imagined. I’ll be he even stole your parking space yesterday!


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    • Tate June 24, 2018 at 1:23 pm #

      Gosh, and why can’t all these right-wing asswipes understand that Hillary was going to make poverty hit the road Jack. She was going to let in millions of undocumented “new settlers” into this land from 3rd world shitholes and everyone knows that would have reduced poverty fer sure, maybe even have entirely eliminated it. Or better yet, Bernie Sanders. He would have eliminated that poverty fer sure. There would be free health care, free college, free everything. Even airplane tickets if you wanted to visit your hatchet-faced abuelo in Squatemala. Now that’s progress!


      • malthuss June 24, 2018 at 1:41 pm #

        “new settlers” -into as built nation with a shrinking resource base.

    • malthuss June 24, 2018 at 1:40 pm #

      Read Brimelow.
      We import ignorant, fat people. Seriously.
      We import mamas that have babies that they cant afford to feed.
      Or as Janos noted about Eu,

      They breed on the White mans dime.

  46. KL Cooke June 23, 2018 at 7:03 am #

    Keep up the good work, Jim.

  47. FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 7:42 am #

    Goddamnit man, these are children!

    This is not about immigration or even about children; this is a continuation of the Boston Tea Party/Opium Wars – you could call it a Second American Revolution and my fellow Americans would understand it if they were not so stubbornly stock up on propaganda version of their own history.

    The conquest of America and the construction of the United States were carried out by quasi-religious organizations, which can be provisionally called lodges, and the founding fathers’ democracy was formed as a way of peaceful coexistence of these lodges, the most influential being the lodge associated with the Anglican church, the British monarchy and the West India Company, which was also sort of a lodge.

    And the war for independence began with the Boston tea party, and the “tea” that was thrown into the bay belonged to the East India Company, which soon after the Boston tea party unleashed an opium war in China. As they say, comments are not necessary.


    • JohnAZ June 23, 2018 at 11:39 am #

      The typical American is a rebel. He or she is a devil’s advocate to whatever is the sentiment of the moment. He or she drives 5 – 10 mph over the limit because they cannot stand following the law. American has always been a home for the “give me space, lots of space” crowd. American is constantly in a state of revolutionary thought and the unifier, the Federal government, has been the moderator under its charter, the US Constitution, a document that allows dissent but only a controllable amount. We have been near open revolution many times, and in revolution once. What stops the accumulative splits up, WAR against a common enemy. Wag the Dog. What a deal. We have a president, Obama, that bent over backwards to avoid significant warfare, following three presidents that avoided a “wave the flag” war. So the dispersive movements have been allowed to rum amok for a generation or two, splitting us up. The meaning of being an American is disappearing and large scale immigration is making it worse. Big test. What does being an American mean today? Fifty people, fifty answers. What unifies us, versus what divides us. Too many dividers exist today!

      The border issue is just one divider. Why would anyone in their right mind feel that flooding the US with people who do not care about our country and destroy the economic fabrics is a good idea? Because they are in rebellion against the current mainstream of thought. Why do socialists continue to insist that government control is the answer to all evil, in spite of all the huge failures? Because we are a capitalistic nation and the people that do not thrive bitch and moan i.e. Rebel. Social media enhances the bitching and It does not help that they are being financially backed by the ever present group of globalistic socialists that seem to be always there. Today’s theme, the poor children, is just the latest example. What are the indicators of a Soros backed rebellion? It is centered on Trump, and it erupts quickly in large numbers in multiple places. Only a central influence explains the coordination we observe. Maybe if we have lots and lots of protests, we can run the SOB out of business.

  48. FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 11:14 am #

    Madeleine Albright regretted that the US attributed to itself a victory in the Cold War


    *** Warning the above link no longer works

    The news has two explanations:

    1. The old witch has awaken conscience

    2. In the US, a discussion began on the topic “Who lost Russia?”, and apparently the discussion with arms in hand , and the old witch wants to bleach her “party” or rather her World Project from responsibility for how this “party” took advantage of the victory of the United States in the Cold War (III World War) .

    This proves once again that Evil is a destructive entity and in pure form can not exist.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

      Very clever and very well informed Madeline Albright absolutely agrees with me that after the March 1 message of Vladimir Putin to the Federation Council, all it remains for the Black Project is to sign an act of unconditional capitulation, and she tries to save it from the need to pay reparations for the Cold War (and for World War II it didn’t pay reparations as well) and most importantly for the regime of occupation that was established in Russia after the victory of the Black Project in the Cold War.

      If there was no victory, there was no occupation, and you yourself are to blame for everything.

      • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 4:12 pm #

        The correct link:


      • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 5:13 pm #

        P.S. Red Trump is now struggling with a Black Project for reparations to the American people, who also suffered from a geopolitical catastrophe, inflicted by the Blacks, who as a result have snatched to themselves 90 percent of all financial resources of the world.

        And one of the theories of Russian economist Mikhail Gelvanovsky would help at the talks to justify the fact that the payment of reparations to Russia would support the American economy and the world financial system.

  49. Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 4:48 pm #


    Oh Mein Gott, what an Asshole. I actually like his music too. He praises Greece, which has utterly betrayed its own people. Thank God Italy has begun to take steps to protect themselves. In the end, the refugee ships will have to be blockaded and/or destroyed. Perhaps Dolphins can be used…..

    • malthuss June 24, 2018 at 8:46 pm #

      He also is into AGW.
      Just one more rich fool.

  50. Sean Coleman June 23, 2018 at 5:31 pm #

    I haven’t been following this story and one of the reasons I read Mr Kunstler’s articles is to inform myself as I can rely on him as being fair and objective.

    Last year or 2016 Britain, following a great deal of heart-string lobbying, decided to admit a number of children from the ‘Jungle’ camp in Calais. The pictures of the arrivals showed young me, many of them over 18. I heard of one case in France last year where one ‘child’ being admitted to a private home for care (I assume kind of foster care) was in his late thirties.

    Merkel’s fateful decision of September 2015 was made on a wave of emotion following the publication of photos of a Kurdish child dead of drowning on a beach. I had recently joined Facebook and witnessed a very short and very sharp wave of hysteria: ‘Let the in!’. Merkel folded perhaps three days later. A Flemish journalist who had spent years as a Berlin correspondent, Clementine Forissier, said a few days later on France Radio (I heard it on podcast at the time and wrote it down) said she had never before seen the Chancellor (an extravert) make a decision without carefully considering it and described it as (from memory) ‘rapide, émotionelle et pas intellectuele’.

    Anyone who has spent any time looking at mass immigration cannot fail to be struck by the massive scale of dishonesty and disinformation by the media.

    I don’t like thinking about the subject any more because it is so depressing. They are clearly insane to persist with these crazy policies and should be held to account if there is a dangerous backlash, which looks more likely if not (yet) quite inevitable. It is a terrible moral conundrum: to be implicated in a shockingly irresponsible utopian project or to be involved in a violent reaction.

    English journalist Ed West wrote an excellent book about mass immigration. I read it a second time and in the final chapter I found what I had missed in the first reading and half expected to find second time round: he compares the proponents of mass immigration to a millennial cult which attracts followers when they predict the arrival of the alien masters. When the day arrives and the extraterrestials fail to show up, support for the cult does not drop but instead increases.

    In other words, mass immigration is yet another part of the great fantasy. I have read many people saying that Merkel had pulled off a sly coup to bring in badly needed labour for Germany’s highly successful export economy. This is a typical example of an attempt to rationalize the irrational. There is clearly a very strong emotional element. Jung described feeling (along with thinking) as rational functions in contrast to the irrational functions of sensation and intuition and his schema of psychological types included instances where both introverts and extroverts have feeling as the dominant function. I am possibly unique in considering Jung as having been an extravert and I simply cannot accept that feeling is rational.

    In Ireland the media and politicians were caught up in the hysteria too (as were the migrants themselves on the other side of the Euro border judging from the screams coming out of an overcrowded train on the Austrian or Hungarian border and the would-be immigrant who threw himself onto the tracks along with his children – there was no train in sight) and promised immediate admission of 4,000 Syrian ‘refugees’. That weekend there were two lengthy opinion pieces in the newspapers with remarkably similar headlines (I kept cuttings), by Eoghan Harris in the Sunday Independent and Matt Cooper in the Irish Mail (the previous day, Saturday): Sometimes the Heart Really Should Rule The Head. That is what is happening in America again.

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    • Sean Coleman June 23, 2018 at 5:33 pm #

      I forgot to say that in the footage I saw (Icelandic news) the camera lingered on a small child but other footage showed sturdy older teenagers.

      • Sean Coleman June 23, 2018 at 5:34 pm #

        That reminds me of that black ‘child’ who was supposedly murdered in cold blood by sadistic US police.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

      Merkel’s fateful decision of September 2015 was made on a wave of emotion following the publication of photos of a Kurdish child dead of drowning on a beach. I had recently joined Facebook and witnessed a very short and very sharp wave of hysteria: ‘Let the in!’. Merkel folded perhaps three days later.

      You’re kidding, right? The cold-blooded bitch probably approved the whole setup with the picture.

      • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 12:21 am #

        Agree. The rest is just theatre. The Plan has been in place for generations – called the Kalergi Plan to breed Europe black and brown.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 6:15 pm #

      There are probably many reasons why the European Black Project decided to ruin the traditional European society and culture, but one apparent is that there is not enough dough for everyone and is time to cut the living standards and consumption level.

      • FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 6:19 pm #

        Not enough – that’s in their fucking opinion.

  51. FincaInTheMountains June 23, 2018 at 5:43 pm #

    One possibility is that Putin put forward a charade for the Russians:

    If there are protests against Medvedev after the World Cup (for the complete demolition of his government and change of the pension reform), then with such people one can go to the death (and Putin risks a lot).

    If there won’t be or will be during the World Cup, well, then the hell with you all.

  52. Pucker June 23, 2018 at 5:59 pm #

    Many years ago, I read a book about the founding of Australia entitled “Fatal Shore”. Australia was founded by British Bull Queers.

    • Pucker June 23, 2018 at 6:40 pm #

      Isn’t this week “Gay Pride Week”?

      Why is it that males when in prison and in the absence of women become Bull Queers? There must be a lot of Bull Queers in the Navy and in the military? I think that Sargeant Carter and Gomer Pyle were Bull Queers? The Japanese imperial army had to bring in “Comfort Women” so that the Japanese soldiers didn’t become Bull Queers?

      Catholic priests in the absence of women become Bull Queers?

      • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 9:26 pm #

        It’s a month now, breeder.

  53. Pucker June 23, 2018 at 7:11 pm #

    Have any of you ever read this book? Do female soldiers tend to get passed around?

    “C hick-lit meets battlefield memoir in Love My Rifle More Than You: Young and Female in the US Army, the title taken from a marching song.
    Her prose is uncompromising. “Sex is the key to any woman soldier’s experiences in the American military,” the first line reads. “No one likes to acknowledge it, but there’s a strange sexual allure to being a woman and a soldier.” Elsewhere she writes: “I love my M4 [light machine gun], the smell of it, of cleaning fluid, of gunpowder: the smell of strength. Gun in your hands, and you’re in a special place. I’ve come to look forward to that.”

  54. tucsonspur June 23, 2018 at 7:49 pm #

    Get ready for the Fourth! Sing the Spur’s version of the old tune while having some brewskis!

    When the migrant goes running home again
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    We’ll give him a hearty send off then
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    The men will cheer and the boys will shout
    The ladies they will all turn out
    And we’ll all feel gay
    When the migrant goes running home.

    The old church bell will peal with joy
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    To send back home the rapist boy,
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    The village lads and lassies say
    With roses they will strew the way,
    And we’ll all feel gay
    When the migrant goes running home.

    Get ready for the Jubilee,
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    We’ll give the dirt bag three times three,
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    The sack of shit is ready now
    To place upon his sweaty brow
    And we’ll all feel gay
    When the migrant goes running home.

    Let love of nation on that day,
    Hurrah, hurrah!
    Their choicest pleasures then display,
    Hurrah, hurrah!
    And let each one perform some part,
    To fill with fear the migrant’s heart,
    And we’ll all feel gay
    When the migrant goes running home.
    When the migrant goes running home.

    • elysianfield June 24, 2018 at 11:50 am #

      Komaraden Finc,
      Observe! We too, have our poets….

      • tucsonspur June 24, 2018 at 4:24 pm #

        Me a poet? I didn’t realize that!

  55. Pucker June 23, 2018 at 8:01 pm #

    Has Reverend Angeley ever preached about White Privilege? Political Correctness (and Rachel Maddow sentimentality over illegal kids at the border) is basically intellectually cheap, tawdry religion, right?

    Save Yourself And Others
    April, 2018
    by Ernest Angley
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  56. ozone June 23, 2018 at 8:48 pm #

    Success & Delight!
    This comment space can now be proudly named: The Theater of Cruelty.
    It’s got a nice ring to it and all your sadistic friends can gather here!

    • Janos Skorenzy June 23, 2018 at 9:24 pm #

      Ozone has at last rendered a judgment and expressed an idea. He’s for the immigrants. How original! And what poor judgment and what a bad idea.

      Dude, there’s no peaceful way to maintain a nation. Once the threat of force becomes hollow and the pride and glory just sounding like a brass bell, then it’s time for actualities again. How do you think we got the rep to begin with? Think man, think.

      It was peaceful because they respected our strength. The threat of force was already there. Uniquely American? No, all states are founded on force and maintained by the same and the threat of the same. Sure there are other aspects, but they don’t exist without this basic function being fulfilled.

      One tiny tribe of 1500 has controlled a territory the size of Rhode Island in the Amazon for 500 years. How? Thru ferocity in war and the fear of their ferocity in war.

      • 100th Avatar June 23, 2018 at 11:21 pm #

        Or the fear of ostracism, marginalization, and stigmatization if you dare utter a bad word about them.

        You gotta own the discussion, not the war janos.. you never learn

        • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 5:51 pm #

          Paulo Krugman said you can’t have open borders and a welfare state. Paulo is for open borders. Does that feel familiar? Can you explain it? I think you can but you won’t. No need in my case – I get it. This isn’t Krug’s country, not until we are gone and you people rule completely. Until then there will be a rather large gap or chasm between your rationality and your proposed policies.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 24, 2018 at 8:59 am #

      I do not understand what are you suggesting, Ozone.

      President Trump is facing a binary choice: either to allow unimpeded entry to all illegal immigrants to the country, including drug smugglers and Islamic terrorists, by the method of buying a kid from a nearest slave trader, or to place them into adult detention facility, where you just can’t place the poor innocent kids.

      The whole affair is bearing a strong hallmark of Hillary-designed special operation to place Trump in the position where he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, having the November midterm elections in sight.

    • ozone June 24, 2018 at 10:10 am #

      …and a comfy couch for QAnon suckers.
      Enjoy! Anybody bring the Cheetos?

      • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 3:57 pm #

        I’m so glad you finally took an affirmative stand as opposed to just trashing everything and everyone. I knew you had “it” (leftist foolishness) in you. After all anarchists always march with Communists – until they get purged that is. You all never learn.

    • Tate June 24, 2018 at 11:51 am #

      There’s an important story about Starbucks that we should all know about but I’ll just say beforehand that I don’t know if it’s true. I’m just bringing it up here so people will be aware. There is a preacher in Harlem who is claiming that Starbucks is now flavoring its coffee with the semen of sodomites.

      Pastor James David Manning, of the ATLAH World Missionary Church said that “Starbucks is a place where these types frequent and a lot of body fluids are exchanged there.”

      He goes on, “The thing that I was not aware of is that… what Starbucks was doing, is they were taking specimens of male semen, and they were putting it in the blends of their lattes.”

      “It’s the absolute truth. They’re using male semen, and putting it into the blends of coffees that they sell. My suspicion is that they’re getting their semen from sodomites. Semen flavors up the coffee, and makes you thinks you’re having a good time.”

      I don’t know if any of this is true, but be careful out there, people. Personally, I don’t patronize Starbucks, but I’m aware that some of you do.

      • Tate June 24, 2018 at 12:14 pm #

        “… taking specimens of male semen [sic]…”

      • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 2:17 pm #

        Reverent Manning is a very great Black Man, with a spirit like unto the Founding Fathers. In other words, do you have a link for that? I would share it with my brothers in Vanaheim. Great things have small beginnings. You cannot startle a butterfly without troubling a star. We will get to the bottom of this, have no fear.

        No doubt they have the Sods lining up around back, paying them for their “donation”.

        • Tate June 24, 2018 at 2:36 pm #

          Look at the Week That Perished on Takimag.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 4:56 pm #

            This good Man knew it all decades ago. They threw him out of the Priesthood for speaking about the planned and ongoing takeover of the Church by the Gay Borg.


          • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm #

            It’s not there. NOT THERE! not thar! nottt therareare!

          • Tate June 24, 2018 at 9:39 pm #

            Yes, it’s there, but not directly. It’s in one of the links in that piece (which comes out weekly on Sundays but it’s the latest one). The link is called “with the semen of Sodomites.”

          • Tate June 24, 2018 at 9:40 pm #

            Here’s the link to Takimag,


          • Janos Skorenzy June 25, 2018 at 12:24 am #

            I cannot thank you enough. I’ll pass this onto the Minister of Propaganda, he’ll weaponize it with a meme, and we’ll finish them once and for all.

      • elysianfield June 24, 2018 at 8:21 pm #

        …has the ring of truth. If a man of God says it is true, who are we to argue?

  57. Tate June 24, 2018 at 8:38 am #

    It was little noted but yesterday marked the 30th anniversary of the Global Warming Scam.

    On June 23, 1988, a little-known scientist at NASA, James Hansen, gave testimony before the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.

    Headlines across the world, the first of many thousands in the following decades, caught something in the public mood. Screeching that something called “Man-made global warming” (later changed to “Climate change”) was the most urgent crisis of the age.

    As Christopher Booker describes in his The Real Global Warming Disaster, Hansen’s dramatic testimony delighted the two US Senators most involved in promoting the global warming scare – Al Gore and the Senate Committee’s chairman Tim Wirth.

    “Wirth… described how his team had called the Weather Bureau to discover what was likely, historically, to be the hottest day of that summer. “So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it.”

    “What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows inside the room … so that the air conditioning wasn’t working … so when the hearing occurred, there wasn’t only bliss, which is television cameras in double figures, but it was really hot.”

    Hansen was sweating profusely. According to Wirth, “the wonderful Jim Hansen was wiping his brow at the table at the hearing, at the witness table, and giving this remarkable testimony.”

    Of course, reality has not treated Hansen’s predictions kindly: an ice-free Arctic? Negative. Manhattan underwater? Negative again. Heat & drought for the Midwest. Negative. Just some of the failed predictions:


    Hansen continues to deny reality. His list of culprits for what he continues to insist is impending catastrophe is long, familiar but sometimes surprising. The fossil fuel industry no surprise there, but also Jerry Brown & Angela Merkel, as he says working in nefarious secrecy behind the scenes to sabotage the environment. Whatever.

    • FincaInTheMountains June 24, 2018 at 9:08 am #

      Global Warming scam is not the worst result of the disintegration of the Western Scientific Method, replaced by Shut Up and Calculate! principle.


    • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 10:39 am #

      “As Christopher Booker describes…”

      That’ll be Christopher Booker with the History degree. Right.

      I’ll go with MIT’s report here, which describes a recent study (December 2017) which “tested the predictive power of climate models against observations of *how the atmosphere is actually behaving.* How the atmosphere is ACTUALLY behaving…


      Basically the most extreme predictions (because there’s always a range) are the ones that have turned out to be closer to reality.

      But I’ll leave the denialists to deny – why even bother… what distinguishes the denialist from the sceptic is precisely the fact that there is no evidence that will convince him (it’s statistically more often a ‘him’). So you’re wasting your time on them.

      But the timing’s interesting – I wonder if this is to deny in advance any responsibility for future migrations caused by climate change.

      But of course, if you’re right, then your government won’t need to worry that half of U.S. military facilities are vulnerable to extreme weather and climate risks, as their own report says.


      You’ve got enough to worry about, so I’d recommend that ostrich thing with the sand. And there will be more of that in some places so no-one should go short of a parking place for their head.

      • FincaInTheMountains June 24, 2018 at 1:47 pm #

        I don’t think there are a lot of people who’re denying the climate change, GA.

        What most people, myself included, having a problem with is assigning the blame primarily to human industrial activity and not to some cosmic phenomena such as solar activity.

        That smells of Malthusianism and attempt by the developed countries to hinder the progress in developing countries, especially dirty financial scheme with carbon credits.

        • Epicur June 24, 2018 at 3:13 pm #

          Also, there are people, like me, who are unconvinced of our ability to do anything about it. Global warming is just another of the many stresses on our overpopulated world.

          Many people are attracted to this cause because of the illusion that there is something they can do to halt or reverse it. “Racism”, “bigotry” and “Xenophobia” are similar in their appeal (scare quotes because one must deal with a certain “orthodox” meaning for each for the sentence to have meaning).

          • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 3:55 pm #

            “Also, there are people, like me, who are unconvinced of our ability to do anything about it. Global warming is just another of the many stresses on our overpopulated world.”

            I don’t disagree with you, but I still feel that trying is the right thing to do. If someone feels it’s hopeless or too late, I can’t really argue with them, but until I know it’s totally hopeless I’ll support trying.

            I limit my CO2 emissions to a fair extent but am nowhere near hair-shirt level, so can claim no virtue. My life is still comfortable. And I know full well that if it comes to lifeboat time, when push comes to shove people pushier and shovier than me will get in the lifeboat before me, even though I’ve tried to put their need to get into a lifeboat at all back as far as possible, but that’s life. You can only live it the way you see fit.

            Changes need to be made at local and national level – some of us doing without cars and planes, keeping our heating turned down or off as much as we can in winter, and buying less stuff isn’t going to save the world. It’s very ‘light green’.

            I can look at a wealthy person with half a dozen children I know will all grow up to have fancy houses, fancy cars and fancy holidays and I might ask myself why I’m bothering, but I’d feel a hypocrite if I didn’t (bother).

            As the late Prof. Mackay used to say (author of ‘Renewable energy without the hot air’), every little helps – but only a little.

          • Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm #

            How many wealthy people with half a dozen children do you know or have you seen? In contrast, many immigrants have that many and All of the them are eager for all the wealth and goods that the West has to offer. See my youtube of Roy Beck and gumballs above to see how wrong your views are.

            I trust you are not farting but rather holding your emissions in….

          • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 7:02 pm #


            “How many wealthy people with half a dozen children do you know or have you seen? ”

            Of the top of my head with no time for reflection :

            Jacob-Rees Mogg (6 – last one called Sixtus)
            Duncan Bannatyne (UK businessman and TV personality): 6
            Family friend in Dublin (runs private business: 6
            Kris Kristofferson (used to like his music!): 8

            If I could be bothered, I could possibly think of more.

            The point is that these are the people whose footprint does the most damage, because they have wealth and they spend it on damaging things. Poor immigrants don’t buy yachts or private planes – or even multiple cars.

            In fact, research shows that, even in our own societies, the single most significant factor determining a person’s CO2 footprint is not their green credentials but their wealth. So, a person with money who cares and tries to limit the harm they do will, on average, still do more damage than a person who doesn’t care at all but is poor.

            It’s not as if the concept is even complicated. If you can’t afford to turn the heating on at all you’re not going to be doing as much damage as the person who puts it on but frets about it and only keeps it on for an hour or two.

        • GreenAlba June 24, 2018 at 3:36 pm #


          I agree. Previously, the deniers did actually deny climate change. Then when that became obviously silly, they moved to saying it wasn’t primarily human induced, for obvious reasons.

          It doesn’t matter whether you have a problem with it or what you think it smells of. You can’t be imagining the climate models haven’t taken ‘cosmic phenomena’ into account in their calculations, surely.

          Additional CO2 causes atmospheric warming – that’s the basic science. (It’s not doing ocean life any good either.) And if you put more energy into the system you’re going to get more extremes of weather (aggregated into ‘climate’ for those who like to argue about the difference).

          If people don’t want to believe it at this stage, then let them carry on denying it. Fewer people are listening.

          Once on holiday we met a woman who’d smoked all her life (and had the complexion to prove it), who, despite being intelligent, was convinced it would eventually be discovered that there was no link between smoking and cancer after all. Such is life.

          The tobacco companies, just like Exxon and co., made extensive efforts to keep information from people that had been available for years.

  58. pequiste June 24, 2018 at 11:56 am #

    I’d be most curious to know what the understandably emotional Rachel Maddow’s position on the concept of “Freedom of Conscience” is.

    Particularly as regards the actions of the owner of a small restaurant in the far exurbs of Baghdad -on-the-Potomac: The Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Virginia. As everyone knows by now, the proprietor of the joint had President Trump’s press secretary, Sarah H. Sanders, leave the place as pangs of political ethics and moral indignation were too much for the restaurateur to bear; for her, her staff, and so as not to sully the interior of her establishment. The Horror! A Nazi party coming to dine in my swill shop? NEVER!

    After being asked to leave, Ms. Sanders and her contingent left without incident. Well, let’s hope Dr. Wilkinson has the good sense ot closing the place for sterilization of tablecloths and napkins; bleaching, Pine Soling, and ammonia-ing of the walls and floors; plus autoclaving of utensils and glassware used to prepare the food for and serve those Evil people from The White House.

    As the proprietor of a business, Stephanie Wilkinson does have the right to serve whomever she pleases. Right? Something about the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling regarding the bakery that refused to make the wedding cake for Gay men being upheld as freedom of religious conscience. Well, it certainly is a good thing that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is not of African ancestry — then the shoe would be on the other foot and the clarion call of RAYCISZM would be bellowing across the land. Thank goodness for that. No, just a matter of conscience – but coming to an inflection point I think. When the political position of an individual is the criteria for refusal of service, any service, then the line has been crossed and there is no going back. Polarization of civil society in the case of moral compass will not be “cold” as the word implies. No, I suspect the oppposite shall occur and it will be “hot” as in “a long hot summer,” with resentment, ill-will, antipathy, and HATE, ready to boil over into real violence.

    With all of this in mind, I should like to open up a chain of “specialty” casual dining establishments: call it The Chestnut Street Cafe.

    What do you think?

    • Tate June 24, 2018 at 12:11 pm #

      Why that name?

    • messianicdruid June 24, 2018 at 1:11 pm #

      Must be more than one:


    • K-Dog June 24, 2018 at 3:52 pm #

      A no-brainer

      The owner was at home and her employees called her in.

      Some of the employees are gay and Trump gives them tizzies. The consensus of all of them was that Sanders be 86’ed. No shirt, no shoes no soul no service. From what I read their was no dissent from the opinion by any of them.

      The owner went along with the wishes of her employees. Good for her. That is called democracy in action.

      Looks like the Red Hen is of the artisan class of dining experience. The bakery that refused to make the wedding cake was excused on artistic grounds. They did not provide an essential service such as a taxi or train does, where choices are limited and denial of service limits your freedoms. There are other alternatives to fine dining, a fine dining experience is an optional activity and is also artistic expression. The rights of artisans need to be respected. They are not drones. I should be on the Supreme Court.

      But what makes it a no-brainier was the owner respecting the wishes of her employees. Democracy.

      • tucsonspur June 24, 2018 at 4:59 pm #

        Bigotry. On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds”
        Gov. Mike Huckabee

        Or one could ask for the Polarization Plate special. Stay away from the Demagogic Desserts and the Anarchistic Aperitifs.

        And don’t, don’t go near the Leftie Liqueurs. They’ll make you brain dead.

        Outside sign should read “Fine Whining and Soulless Spirits”.

      • pequiste June 24, 2018 at 8:25 pm #

        Wow, I didn’t know that working at a restaurant was a “Democracy?” That’s great!

        Let’s hope the employees wish for and then ask for substantial raises…say $25 an hour to start for dishwashers, maybe $50 an hour for the servers. Chefs get paid $1000 a shift. I understand the Red Hen is a fancy joint, catering to politicos and other well-connected Liberal folks. So let Dr. Wilkinson be very liberal with her employees… I’m sure the proprietor will accede to those wishes for well-deserved pay increases all around.

        Then, because we know that running a resto is such easy work, let’s ask the employees if they would like one month paid vacation like the civil servants, local, state, and especially Federal get. I am sure the workers would like that so very much, courtesy of the benificence of the owner of the Red Hen.

        Finally, have the employees vote on the kind of “healthcare,” dental and vision plans they would like to have as a condition of employment. I’m betting they would love something gold-plated akin to what elected officials (particularly the ones that reside in the U.S. Federal legislature have. ) Not gold plated but solid gold!

        The employees, Dr. Stephanie Wilkinson, are waiting on your review, approval, and implementation of all this wonderfulness. (Because I know she always listens to the employees, takes votes, and makes everything Democratic.) Running a restaurant and staff is a Democracy; who knew?

    • ozone June 24, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

      Why do you ask when you already have a smack-down riposte prepared? Let the rhetoric insinuate itself upon the crime.

      (My unwanted opinion would be: Any business establishment should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time. They’ll garner the custom that they tailor themselves toward — cakes, dinners, purveyors of whole-house vacuum systems, car-hawkers… wtf have you, and reap the social rewards or penalties thereby. As an unwelcome example, vladdie’s haberdashery and semen-saving clinic catering to the nazi-lover contingent will have a sign saying: “No Niggers [please]”. Big hairy deal. Knowledge, in and of itself is not “offensive”.)

  59. akmofo June 24, 2018 at 12:52 pm #

    Rachel Maddow?!?!? The New York Times?!?!?

    Yey, more manufactured FAKE NEWS lies from the commie MSM to deflect from the criminality of the Clinton mafia and the Deep State gov mafia. Faithfully brought to you by Vatican clowns and servants.

  60. tucsonspur June 24, 2018 at 4:11 pm #

    “When the political position of an individual is the criteria for refusal of service, any service, then the line has been crossed and there is no going back. Polarization of civil society in the case of moral compass will not be “cold” as the word implies. No, I suspect the oppposite shall occur and it will be hot….”

    If the political positions of the masses were available to all of us, that would probably be the case. For now it will heat up with mostly the well known trading blows.

    Sanders is the face of Trump’s administration, and I’m glad that it wasn’t punched out. It may come to that soon, then go to large scale vandalizing of cars with certain bumper stickers, breaking windows of homes with particular political signs, etc. Then?

    But it all continues to simmer under the surface, waiting for a resolution that may not be coming for some time. The irresolution itself can cause frustration filled provocation.

    With another black kid being shot dead, I see the usual political demonstrations for SJ and recurring racial eruptions, but nothing like the boiling outflows of Kilauea. Not yet, anyway.

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  61. FincaInTheMountains June 24, 2018 at 4:22 pm #

    Maxine Waters: Gott Mit Uns (God is With Us!)

    Maxine Waters orders MORE public harassment of Trump aides: ‘God is on OUR side!’


    Please note how Nazi slogan – God is With Us – on the German Army belt buckles differs from “In God we Trust” on Federal Reserve notes.

    • pequiste June 24, 2018 at 4:43 pm #

      Gott im himmel!, Finc.

      Maxine Waters’ slogan would be better as follows: “Lawd hab moysee!”

      (or perhaps those most eloquent words from the Hip Hop poet known as Nikki Minaj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mwNbTL3pOs )

      • Q. Shtik June 24, 2018 at 9:25 pm #

        those most eloquent words


        I swear to Christ, I did not understand one word.

  62. Janos Skorenzy June 24, 2018 at 6:27 pm #

    It is said that Assange was in cahoots with the Russians, that they guided him and provided with the stuff they hacked and even that “Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence”. As a matter of fact, Russians were extremely hesitant to have anything to do with Assange. They could not believe he was for real. Are you so naïve, they told me, that you do not understand he is a CIA trap? Such people do not exist.

    It is a problem of the Russian mind: as a rule, they do not understand and do not trust Western dissidents of Assange’s ilk. They want their western sympathisers to be bought and paid for. Free agents are suspicious in their eyes. God knows there are many people in the West whose opinions roughly coincide with those of the Russians; but the Russians would prefer to buy a journalist off the peg. That’s why RT has had more than its fair share of defectors, that is of broadcasters who denounced RT and went to the Western mass media.

    Unz.com, Israel Shamir

  63. malthuss June 24, 2018 at 8:51 pm #

    Previously, the deniers did actually deny climate change..
    Previously, the AGW predicted ‘the world ends by 2010’ but yr side is all wet.
    Got it, Ms algae?

    • GreenAlba June 25, 2018 at 3:07 am #

      Malthuss, I am not responsible for the sources of your ‘research’. And I don’t have a side. If I could choose my reality I would choose for AGW to be a huge misunderstanding, and for there to be a new source of cheap-as-chips crude oil to come on tap imminently, which one could burn without the usual chemistry being involved.

      Those two things being the case, I’d go out and buy myself a lovely car, fill it with diesel that magically wouldn’t produce particulates that cause respiratory problems, and take myself off somewhere nice every single weekend. On top of that I’d catch up with all the flights I’ve gone without for the benefit of your hypothetical children and my real ones and have a blast. I’d have a trip round the US as part of my celebrations. No, several.

      In the meantime, I have to deal with reality as it appears to be. I have also heard the argument (as we all have) that back in the 70s ‘they’ were predicting a new ice age imminently. But I choose (and chose back then) not to get my scientific information from some daft article – or spate of articles – written to fill space in daft ‘newspapers’.

      If you want genuine predictions of how things are going to pan out (and such predictions can only ever be within ranges), then don’t go and watch ‘The Day After Tomorrow’, because it’s not going to be like that.

      “but yr side is all wet.
      Got it, Ms algae?”

      Save that pithy conclusion for your own research report, using your own verifiable data, when it’s published in Nature. It will impress.

  64. FincaInTheMountains June 25, 2018 at 2:48 am #

    The Highlander Warrior


    What my liberal friends don’t understand is that Trump represents very old tradition. His mother’s name is MacLeod which in the context of Anglo-Saxon civilization is much more important than German roots of his father.

    Clan MacLeod can be traced back to 1227 when Livonian crusade was at its peak and father of St. Alexander Nevsky Grand Prince Yaroslav II of Vladimir defeated Finnic peoples after they attacked Novgorod.

    Meanwhile protagonist in this movie Connor MacLeod was born in 1518 when the slave trade started in Africa, St.Vitus dancing mania broke out in Strasbourg and Manchester Grammar School was completed in England, starting tradition that made Britain Great, but accidentally was killed by Margaret Thatcher, the Right Honourable Baroness.

  65. sprawlcapital June 25, 2018 at 10:05 am #

    This may have been discussed already–I have not read all 431 comments.

    Is there a comparative study as to how various countries deal with people who try to cross the border to enter the country illegally? I would guess that North Korea and, say, Switzerland have very different policies.

    Can we learn from other countries? Probably. Why do the media not discuss this?

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    • elysianfield June 25, 2018 at 11:35 am #

      “Why do the media not discuss this?”

      You assume that the media is interested in a “solution”….


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