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What the world is witnessing, without actually paying much attention, is the death of our debt-based economy — that is, borrowing the means to thrive in the now from a future that can’t really furnish it anymore. The illusion that the future would always provide was a legacy of the cheap energy era. That era ended in 2005. The basic promise is broken and with it the premise for living as we had been. The energy available today, especially oil, is no longer cheap enough to run the industrial economies designed to run on it. Any way that you look at the dynamic, Modernity loses.

With oil under $50 a barrel, and gasoline under $3 a gallon (back east), the public apparently thinks that the Peak Oil story is dead and gone. But when it costs $75 a barrel to pull the stuff out of the ground, and the stuff only sells for $47 a barrel, the oil companies’ business model doesn’t really work. The shale oil companies especially have been gaming the system by issuing bonds that pay relatively high interest rates in an investment climate where almost nothing else offers enough yield to live on, especially for pension funds and insurance companies. Two little upward bumps this year in the price of oil toward the $50 range prompted a wish that the good old days of high-priced oil were coming back, that the oil business would be profitable again.

The trouble is that high oil prices — say, over $100 a barrel, as it was in 2014 — crush advanced economies, so that demand for oil crashes, and with it productive activity. Without productivity, the debts issued by companies (and even governments) don’t get repaid. There really is no “sweet spot” in this energy cost equation.

A lot of wishful thinkers would like to believe that you can run contemporary life on something beside oil. But the usual “solutions,” solar and wind energy, don’t pencil out, especially when you consider that the hardware for running them — the photovoltaics, charge controllers, batteries, turbines, and blades, can’t be mass-produced and distributed without the very fossil fuels they are supposed to replace.

These matters add up to the essential quandary of our time. It has expressed itself in falling standards of living for what used to be the middle class, most particularly in the USA. European countries have tried to work around this problem with their rigid bureaucracies for keeping those already employed from losing their jobs. In France, Spain, and Italy, this has only made it much harder for people under 30 to get a job. The jobs picture for millennials in the USA is not much better, though there’s no structural job-protection for their elders who are still working here. They live in abject fear of termination by the HR ghouls of the big corporations.

Sooner or later the younger generation will explode in rage at the system and there is no telling what the result will be. We’re already seeing it in the black ghettos, where decades of accrued social dysfunction make the anomie and purposelessness — of young men especially — much worse. The newer loser class of people who once had good jobs and now have poor prospects of ever getting them back gets swept up in the mania for their incoherent champion, Trump, who shows no sign of understanding the essential quandary of our time. The tragedy of Trumpism is that the man so poorly represents a large group of Americans with genuine woes and grievances. And the larger tragedy of our country these days is that events did not prompt better leaders to step forward.

The explanation may be that people who actually understand the dark dynamics spinning out are rather pessimistic about the our ability to carry on under the familiar disposition of things. Hillary represents the forces in our national life that want to pretend that nothing is wrong, that all the splendid rackets of the day — Federal Reserve interventions, corporate debt-fueled stock buybacks, military log-rolling, medical racketeering, the college loan Ponzi, pension fund levitation, primary dealer bank interest rate arbitrage, agribiz Frankenfood proliferation — can just grind along like some old riverboat banger engine keeping the garbage barge of American life afloat. Thus, Hillary is shaping up to be the patsy of the century, likely to preside, if elected, over the biggest blowup of established arrangements that world has ever seen.

The debt problem alone is absolutely certain to express itself in at least three major ways: the crash of equity markets, the collapse of the bond markets, and the loss of faith in the value and meaning of whatever money you’re using. Any of those events would turn the economic life of the linked advanced economies upside down. Any of them could occur during the 2016 US election season.

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  1. hmuller August 22, 2016 at 9:26 am #

    Low oil prices and we’re doomed. High oil prices and we’re doomed. Any price for oil at all proves you’re right. Yeah, it sounds like you’ve got all the bases covered.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 22, 2016 at 10:00 am #

      You obviously don’t understand hmuller. The problem is the cost of production, and secondarily the retail price per barrel. As long as it costs more to pull out of the ground than oil companies can get, it’s a problem… and then if the price goes above their production cost, it’s a problem for the economy and the public. –JHK

      • BeerBarrel August 22, 2016 at 11:41 am #

        It’s certainly worth finding the map that shows the equivalent “cost per gallon of gas” from each individual well were the well the only producer – I recall one from the Eagle Ford Play – where the map ranged from $13.xx per gallon on down to the lower single digits.

        The upshot is the average cost is what defines the cost for a group of wells. This cost is increasing, because the sweetest portions of the play (least cost per gallon per well) are no longer producing and there’s no other sweet portions once they’re depleted.

        So, over time, the average cost per gallon per group of wells increases in any one area probably exponentially until it just isn’t worth pulling the oil out of the ground.

        EROI is still in-play everywhere – until it takes more fuel than is being obtained, we’re still in the game – but that line on the chart is growing ever closer – and when they meet, it’s game over.

        Oil, oil., everywhere, but not a drop to burn!

        • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:56 am #

          Exactly. Like trying to cool your house by opening the refrigerator door.

          • stelmosfire August 22, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

            $1.95 a gallon for 89 in MA this AM cheapest in a few years. I wish I could get a ‘frig with an outside exhaust for the condenser , seems like a no brainer for me. I guess I will have to build my own.

        • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 2:13 pm #

          “until it takes more fuel than is being obtained, we’re still in the game” I think we’re out of the oil game before that. For one thing, this kind of low EROEI oil is extremely capital-intensive. So adverse economic conditions can end it. Also, it will end before it gets to EROEI of 1 to 1 because it will have competition that is higher than 1 to 1. Even photosynthesis, i.e. growing plants, has an EROEI of about 5 to 1.

          On the other hand, much of the total energy invested is environmental costs to the public, i.e. economic externalities. So someone will still drill for oil at a low “true EROEI” if they can offload some of the costs onto someone else and keep all the profits for themselves.

          • BeerBarrel August 22, 2016 at 8:16 pm #

            Maybe they’ll provide oil for the real necessities, like chainsaws, and figure the cost to produce the fuel for these kinds of things is worth it … I don’t think anyone wants to go back to the days of 2-man saws …

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-man_saw

          • ozone August 23, 2016 at 9:18 am #

            BeerBarrel,
            Gas for chainsaws:
            Yep, I’d pay quite a bit for fuel and bar oil.

            2-man saws:
            Too true, but sometimes circumstances dictate how things *must* be done rather than how we’d *like* them to be done. (I find this every day, when casting about for the right equipment to do a particular job.)

        • nclaughlin August 22, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

          The problem is that there are high sunk costs that are incurred before a single barrel is recovered, and these sunk costs have to be recovered by amortization. On the other hand, it is very inexpensive to pull a barrel out of the ground after the well has been set up.

      • hmuller August 22, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

        Ok, JHK. You claim the oil companies are operating at a loss, altruistically selling their product for below the cost of production. Clearly, someone should explain to them why this business model will not work long term. They appear to be remarkably dumb.

        • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

          Not sure why you would rule out people being “remarkably dumb” as a possibility. But at this point where they are not turning a profit, to avoid bankruptcy they need to keep borrowing money. They can’t borrow more if they don’t at least stay current with their ongoing interest payments. So they must keep operating, even at a loss, just to have the revenue to keep paying the interest. And maybe they believe that they will soon be rescued by the return of high prices. Maybe. That hope might be “remarkably dumb.”

        • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 1:53 pm #

          Also, you appear to be unfamiliar with the way corporations work these days. The guys running them care about short term stock prices (which their bonuses are based on,) not long term considerations like the viability of their business model.

        • nclaughlin August 22, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

          Once the sunk costs have been incurred, you must pump the oil to pay back the loans. The pumping costs are minuscule compared to the loan repayments that must be made.

  2. shotho August 22, 2016 at 9:33 am #

    I wonder why Mr. K almost always says what I believe, but so much more pithily; maybe because his brain isn’t 75 years old.
    The only problem I can see with his commentary is that he seems to be in a rush to see all of this mayhem NOW. I can understand his impatience. It’s all sort of like watching grass grow. Not to worry, James; the grass is getting long and the mower is revving up. Any day now – to the moon, Alice, to the moon.

    • lsjogren August 22, 2016 at 11:08 am #

      I like the metaphor.

      The fat lady is getting a bit overused.

      “Mower is revving up” is a good one.

    • lsjogren August 22, 2016 at 11:09 am #

      That’s one reason people can’t believe anything is wrong. They look out the window and it’s the same grass they saw yesterday, maybe a millimeter longer.

      • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:57 am #

        In Los Angeles, it’s painted green.

    • KarlDehrmann August 22, 2016 at 11:23 am #

      Mr. K is in a rush to be vindicated because HE is pushing 70. I get the feeling he fancied himself like Robert Earle during the long emergency, not deceased. I feel for him, I fancied myself a young man like Daniel Earle, but at 37, its looking like I might end up even overshooting Robert and landing in my dotage before the big show goes down. As it stands, my only wish is to make it another 16 or 17 years to see my children through to adulthood.

      • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:40 am #

        Didn’t the boy who cried wolf eventually get eaten by the wolf?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 12:41 pm #

          And the boy with his finger in the dike ended up losing his finger.

          But crying wolf implies deception. Surely he’s not doing that. His wolf would be to live the rest of his life in comfort. The wolf of no wolf.

          • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

            What a boring peregrination life would be without you Maude. Your vapid pablum is as arresting as ever, held in abeyance as it were by my recent absence. Let us once again spar in the pettifog, riposte with sardonic sedulous wit, and skewer each other’s ideas as if we were Vlad the Impaler.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

            Why the ambient hostility? I was helping you to make a point.

          • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:20 pm #

            J

            I’ll let you in on the Secret…

            …it’s your personality

          • seawolf77 August 24, 2016 at 9:49 am #

            You know I love you Maude.

  3. messianicdruid August 22, 2016 at 9:33 am #

    People are persuaded with mind tricks because of being the victims of previous mind tricks which makes them allergic to anyone else’s version of reality. The simple question is, what can I produce that my neighbors need? This alone is the measure of community.

    • noel bodie August 22, 2016 at 10:33 am #

      I hear ya Druid. As soon as the battery is charged I’m off to deliver 70 watermelon…not the little fussy pink seedless kind but the big honkin crimson sweet 25pounders with seeds.

      • messianicdruid August 22, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

        Good on ya! My wife’s aunt just gave us two, one red and one yellow (meated). After expressing my gratitude my question was, do they have seeds?

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:22 pm #

      “The simple question is, what can I produce that my neighbors need? ”

      …you mean like hunters and gatherers?

    • KesaAnna August 22, 2016 at 11:29 pm #

      well, since it is going to take 10 hours a day , in 98 degree heat, stooped over or on your knees, to weed the watermelon patch , which works out to about 50 cents an hour,

      I suppose the answer must be grow moonshine or marijuana. ^-^

  4. PeteAtomic August 22, 2016 at 9:37 am #

    You’re exactly right, Mr.Jim, when you point out in the last two paragraphs that the US economy is due for a Pompeiian style explosion. If people think Trump is rude & crude– just wait in 4 years for the totalitarian cut & jib of the next guy running for president, if the economy is flushed into the sewers.

    The ghost of George Lincoln Rockwell is still out there, waiting to show his ugly face.

    • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      When does the dollar die? That is what I want to know.

      • PeteAtomic August 22, 2016 at 9:56 am #

        2035. With the dissolution of the Fed.Gov’t. (hopefully sooner than later).

        Anybody with a crystal ball knows that! LOL 🙂

        • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:24 pm #

          “When does the dollar die? That is what I want to know.” – malthuss

          “With the dissolution of the Fed.Gov’t. (hopefully sooner than later).” – PeteAtomic

          …they can always print more

          • ejhr August 23, 2016 at 8:57 am #

            I seriously doubt the dollar will cause the crash down. There will always be dollars available to meet any debt into the future.
            The dollar is not the problem. Resource scarcity is the problem.

            The dollar will survive for as long as the banking system can be kept going. No banking system, no dollars. No dollars because they are just numbers in bank accounts. We have to keep the banks running as long as they can. we need their accounting.

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

            “The dollar is not the problem. Resource scarcity is the problem.” AGREE

            “We have to keep the banks running as long as they can. we need their accounting.” MY BROTHER!

      • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:58 am #

        The dollar dies when oil becomes scarce.

        • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 6:31 pm #

          Wolfie,
          Please explain your comment…I do not see the causal relationship.

          • seawolf77 August 24, 2016 at 9:44 am #

            The dollar is held aloft by the American military, and the American military runs on oil.

          • elysianfield August 25, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

            Wolfie,
            OK, but if oil is scarce, the military will get the first right of refusal….there will always be oil, at some price.

    • shotho August 22, 2016 at 9:42 am #

      Right! Whoever wins this election is very likely to be a one-term president, presiding over more rampant dissolution. But, the hero of 2020 might be much smoother than you project him/her to be – iron fist in velvet glove; that sort of thing.

      • outsider August 22, 2016 at 6:42 pm #

        “Iron fist in velvet glove.” Doesn’t that describe Obama to a tee?

    • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 11:00 am #

      “The ghost of George Lincoln Rockwell is still out there, waiting to show his ugly face.”

      Next Time the World….

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

        You know the Truth but are too discrete to admit it. But remember, discretion is only one of the virtues, and not the highest either.

        • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:33 pm #

          Discretion is the better part of odor. “He who cackles first laid the egg.”

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

            What a horrible thing to say. Shame.

          • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

            You Shaming someone!

            …now i’ve seen Everything

      • jhon August 22, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

        the color of your skin will be your uniform…GLR

    • SpeedyBB August 25, 2016 at 5:40 am #

      I don’t know why you invoked the hapless G.L. Rockwell, whacked by one of his own imbecilic ex-followers. As far as I’ve studied he had practically no economic policies to speak of.

      By the time the compromised crooks in Congress and the Executive have frozen into an impotent paralysis, and a new Great Leader arises to Save the Nation (from where, Zarathustra only knows – the military sure isn’t turning them out) he will be more beholden to the corporate puppeteers than any contemporary leader. If no one is paying taxes (or can afford to) then where will the money come from?

      I hope I’m wrong about this. It was the financiers who made it possible for Hitler to get momentum in the early 1930s – the Nazis were desperately poor at the outset. Later those same industrialists and finance gnomes were buried in the avalanche.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

        Yup, and that’s likely the plan this time around as well. The Republican party has spent decades making political hay out of baiting yahoos, and now that they have fallen prey to the biggest self-serving bullshit artist America has ever seen, the yahoos see their opportunity to stage a hostile takeover. The corporate overlords may yet find themselves taking orders from nasty men in pointy hoods.

  5. pequiste August 22, 2016 at 9:38 am #

    “… Hillary is shaping up to be the patsy of the century, likely to preside, if elected, over the biggest blowup of established arrangements that world has ever seen.” JHK

    A more deserving stooge has perhaps never been selected or found. OK, maybe Le Roi Louis XVI.

    Yeah, and another head-fake here by JHK — I thought “Dark Dynamics” were referencing the weekend’s multiple murders and shootings in Chicago (Barry & Rahm’s kind of town) and the silence of BLM and the rest of the Shakedown Whitey League (SWL.)

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-20160821-story.html

    • Beryl of Oyl August 22, 2016 at 10:15 am #

      I think that’s why the Uniparty kicked Hillary to the curb the first time around, in favor of a black dude. Much better to make sure the people at the bottom don’t start thinking too much about who is really to blame for their predicament.
      Notice our leader has been awfully quiet about that actual killing of an unarmed black youth, and the subsequent coverup, in Rahm’s Chicago?
      Hillary didn’t have that kid’s mother on stage with her, did she?

      • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 10:44 am #

        Freddie Grey was armed. He had 2 arms.

        All high testosterone youths that have arms, are armed.

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 11:02 am #

        “who is really to blame for their predicament.”

        C’mon, Beryl, give us a hint.

        • Ussi August 22, 2016 at 11:36 am #

          “who is really to blame for their predicament”?

          OccupyWallStreet explained this years ago.

          • Beryl of Oyl August 22, 2016 at 12:02 pm #

            Thank you.
            I was referring to the shooting of Laquan McDonald.
            I could see no reason for him being shot, and Hillary and Barack have been curiously quiet about it.

          • OWS was focused on one aspect of TLE.

            Reading the excellent $2 A Day right now.

            http://www.twodollarsaday.com/

            America just craps on poor people. You do that for decades and expect some other outcome? These people live in an incredibly violent and illegitimate society. Generations of kids plowed straight into a life of criminality and poverty. You sell crack to the disaffected middle class kids because there is no other job.

            The analysis in the book so far does not make the connection between the unethical amnesties and de facto creation of a peon population that serves the middle and upper classes in this society. Those same classes export much damage to the environment with their capital gains and consumption practices.

            Like most other social justice movements, the racist bugaboo prevents OWSers from talking about the immigration problem, let alone the population problem.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

      Some are saying she already has a Double. Hill will probably spaz out and we’ll be ruled by the puppet masters who hold her Double’s strings.

      • pequiste August 22, 2016 at 1:06 pm #

        Whether doppleganger or real McCoy it matter not a whit
        should Hillary be selected we shall all eat a big pile of ___________.

        (fill in the blank all you budding Swinburnes)

        The Puppetmasters are in charge no matter what – that is until the Petrodollar or the U.S. Federal Reserve crash and burn. Then all bets are off and the prelude is done; time for the main event:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbmWs6Jf5dc

      • S M Tenneshaw August 23, 2016 at 2:24 am #

        Just because she has a double chin is no reason to write her off just yet.

    • Majella August 22, 2016 at 6:06 pm #

      Is that perhaps what Obama meant when he stated that ”no-one…is more qualified to be POTUS” ?

  6. SteveO August 22, 2016 at 9:39 am #

    “The debt problem alone is absolutely certain to express itself in at least three major ways: the crash of equity markets, the collapse of the bond markets, and the loss of faith in the value and meaning of whatever money you’re using.”

    Quite true, but the fraudsters are bound and determined to keep it going until after Nov 8 so that their preferred candidate (HRC) will keep them all out of jail.

  7. Piper Michael August 22, 2016 at 9:41 am #

    Who do you want as dictator?
    Do you want war with Russia?
    Do you want Goldman Sachs to take over the world?
    Or at least somebody who obviously loves America?

    Questions questions…
    Answer in November.

    • Anotherplayaguy August 22, 2016 at 10:47 am #

      Either or. Either or.

      Which candidate “obviously loves America”? (and, parenthetically, is that necessarily a good thing?)

      Clinton obviously loves Clinton and money.

      Trump obviously loves Trump to the exclusion of everything else.

      Neither.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

        That’s not obvious. Trump lost hundreds of millions of dollars in the first month of his candidacy. He has a long history of patriotism as well.

        • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:29 pm #

          “Trump lost hundreds of millions of dollars in the first month of his candidacy. ” Janos

          Like so many other months.

          So there is no correlation to “his candidacy”.

    • ozone August 22, 2016 at 11:08 am #

      I refuse such a “Sophie’s Choice”.
      I withdraw my consent to be governed by mendacious assholes and completely understand the underpinnings of their threats and displays of violence.

      • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:41 am #

        It’s a false dichotomy. There are 2 other candidates.

        • Yuri Sowryteski August 22, 2016 at 3:00 pm #

          Election fraud and voter suppression-disinfranchisment negate the vote, negate the governments legitimacy, and the legitimacy of the media. Denial-ism is for the present stronger than fear. I support a third party as I have since 1999. I haven’t been picking the winner, I’ve been voting my conscience. I reject the dems assertion a vote for x is really a vote for y. I dropped out and lived low and smaller and as beautifully as possible as USA went a different way. Now I see and taste the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored about to be decanted, if I may be permitted a bit of drama.

          However, just for giggles, Imagine for a moment, Ralph Nader and Winona Laduke as pres in 2000. Or even just Jimmy Carter in ’80.

          But you know what? Americans got what they so well deserved. That was Justice. The beauty of democracy is that, if the country wants Reagen, it gets Reagun. (or however it’s fucken spelled), and it is going to get what it deserves in 2016.

          • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

            “Now I see and taste the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored about to be decanted, if I may be permitted a bit of drama.”

            Nice literate metaphor….

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

        To equate Trump with Clinton shows a lack of discernment. He’s far from perfect but not nearly as bad.

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:30 pm #

        now it’s all “Sophie’s Choice” on CFN

        That’s a change.

        • elysianfield August 25, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

          Who is Sophie? Nude pic’s would be appreciated….

  8. PeteAtomic August 22, 2016 at 9:44 am #

    BTW, forget to add to the list of failures there at the end of the blog post– the insanity of globalization– and the political/media elite in the US who champion this idea as another panacea for some imaginary struggle for Good Vs. Evil in the world.

    Localized economy is gonna provide stronger communities in the future. This means more small entrepeneurs(sic) working with products & services that can be procured closer to home, or able to be traded via regional waterways (e.g. The Great Lakes, The grand ole Mississippi), etc.

    • cbeard August 22, 2016 at 10:52 am #

      Localized economics could quite possibly make for stronger communities but I don’t have the faith in humanity that some do. It may turn out to be greed, graft, haves and have nots similar to present conditions, just on a smaller scale. Ego and personal animosities may rule. Could everyone agree on the fact that the biggest single problem in the world today, beside all others is overpopulation. The 2nd biggest problem could be organized religion of any stripe. Paradoxically, if organized religion practiced the love, hope, peace and goodwill that they preached, maybe it could be a calming influence. But, I doubt it. You would still have the “my god is bigger, better than your god” syndrome to deal with.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:08 pm #

        That’s why multiculturalism doesn’t work. One culture per nation please.

        No! We want more than one mind per body!

        • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:39 pm #

          That’s right, who wants to eat a curry taco or a deep fried lobster? Squid salad anyone?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 3:54 pm #

            You people always mention food. It makes sense to you to sell out your country for curry much as Aslan had to die in agony because Edmund liked truffles.

      • abbybwood August 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm #

        “Could everyone agree…”.

        Now THAT is funny stuff!

  9. sprawlcapital August 22, 2016 at 9:47 am #

    Much to comment on this week, but it must wait until I’m back home, and not at my desk, here at my place of employment. I turned the same age as our host last month, so I’m one of the elders. Must get to work now, or the HR ghouls will get me! (Great phrase, JHK.)

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

      I’ll help.

      IMHO

      …Kunstler should have edited out his 6th paragraph, which begins:

      “Sooner or later the younger generation will explode in rage at the system and there is no telling what the result will be. We’re already seeing it in the black ghettos, where decades of accrued social dysfunction make the anomie and purposelessness — of young men especially — much worse.

      His GIGANTIC leap from ‘the younger generation’ to ‘the black ghettos’ is IMPOSSIBLE.

      Perhaps the comparison is possible between ‘the young BLACK generation’ and ‘the black ghettos’.

      But i do enjoy such hyperbole.

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 6:47 pm #

        Dannyboy,

        “IMHO”

        With all respect, there is nothing humble about you or your opinions.

  10. K-Dog August 22, 2016 at 10:01 am #

    This week, a basic introductory course, Collapse 101 or what must happen when the inflexibility of modern life can’t respond with the creativity needed to keep the game of hyper-complex civilization going.

    Modern life must soon derail like an oil train going too fast around a curve and a spectacular explosion must result. Embroiled in trivia we are as naked as a Donald Trump stature epoxied to the ground regarding the ignorance of our looming and inevitable fate. As clueless as a mass of pavement ants picnicking in the summer sun we are oblivious to the giant shoe that is about to come down from the sky and crush all we know.

    With the courage, innovation, and sacrifice new ways to keep America going as a nation worth having could have been found but the blue screen is on everyone’s wall and under total corporate control. It does all our thinking for us now so individually we are without any agency whatever. All the time that could have been spent building community and planning the future is dissipated watching the blue screens on the wall with minds as abysmally blank and distracted as the future America is about to experience. Nothing of substance ever gets done now.

    And all the while Americans live under the delusion that they still live a noble existence that matters.

    • Piper Michael August 22, 2016 at 10:13 am #

      Oh, things are getting done K-Dog…
      We just don’t talk about it much…

      • K-Dog August 22, 2016 at 10:20 am #

        But nothing gets done at prime time.

        • goat1001 August 22, 2016 at 10:53 am #

          Football season is around the corner!

          • K-Dog August 22, 2016 at 11:23 am #

            And then even I succumb. Go Hawks!

          • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

            So was Peak Oil.

    • K-Dog August 22, 2016 at 10:17 am #

      It is always something. Stature should have been spelled statue as you can see below. An ‘r’ snuck in.

      Naked Donald Trump Statues

    • abbybwood August 22, 2016 at 5:32 pm #

      Would love to see some naked Hillary statues too.

      On second thought…..

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

      I “live a noble existence that matters”.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 10:46 pm #

        to me”

        • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 8:50 am #

          you care!

          …a step forward for janos!

  11. Loneranger August 22, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    I was born in the middle of the great depression, watched WWII on the silver screen, Raised on a farm still functioning in the Victorian era, and working for a living when I was 14. Today, the world is a foreign planet, bankrupt of hope, living a lie, with a leadership not worthy of the name. Like you, Jim, my goal is to be local, do local, and write my blog for the benefit of all who still care.

    • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 4:01 pm #

      Good post Lone Ranger.

      Let’s hear from you more often.

      brh

    • sprawlcapital August 22, 2016 at 10:57 pm #

      You said a lot in one brief paragraph, Ranger.

      At least you got to see the last of the good times.

      Genetic engineering existed only in the pages of Brave New World.

      You saw railroads in their steam-powered glory, before the public started believing, “Highways are to build. Railroads are to abandon.”

      Before farms became chemical-drenched cancer factories.

      As JHK noted in a recent Podcast, you were around before the virtual became an acceptable substitute for the real.

      Good post.

  12. lost-in-north-dakota August 22, 2016 at 10:14 am #

    Just a microcosm of the magnitude of the oil crash in North Dakota….abandoned camping trailers and RVs. Salvage yards don’t know what to do with them all:

    http://www.inforum.com/news/4098179-discarded-rvs-nuisance-bakken-salvage-yard

  13. wholy1 August 22, 2016 at 10:14 am #

    ” . . . . borrowing the means to thrive in the now from a future that can’t really furnish it anymore.”
    Very good literary explanation, typical of JHK.
    A single word Ezra Pound literary economy summation: VENEZUELA!

  14. Bro Jobe August 22, 2016 at 10:20 am #

    Local man was lamenting how farmers around him are selling out to developers. As yet, nothing is built. The rapists are just waiting until the time is right.

    I told that guy “won’t be built, most of it. Next energy crisis puts an end to long commutes and Sprawl.” He was respectful but looked at me as if thinking “this is a man from Mars.”

    We have never bounced back from the 2008 fiasco. The next nosedive will leave us permanently lower, still. So much of exurbia will provide salvage and not much more. Millennials should be very, very angry at their elders.

    • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 10:57 am #

      Sprawl may continue for a few more years.

      I saw a 9 minute You Tube. Went like this,

      USA–1970–100,000 muslims.

      2016–5? million towel heads

      2050–50,000,000. YIKES.

      • Walter B August 22, 2016 at 11:44 am #

        I think that this type of “immigration” may very well, in the end, provide a solution for sprawl, though not in the way that most might consider. I just returned home from a couple of days at my brother’s where he relayed to me that he recently stumbled upon two very large Muslim “cities” tucked away in the Adirondack Mountains in upstate New York. He discovered these while scouting out grouse hunting possibilities. They are “hidden” down long dirt roads and are huge in scope with all sorts of wonderful activities going on inside them. Sort of like Branch Davidian complexes for Muslims, but on a massive scale. So last night I mention this to my Township Attorney (who I am seated next to at out meetings every two weeks. He is a retired US Air Force general who is quickly becoming a good and close friend personally as well as professionally. He looks me in the eye when I tell him this and says, “Yeah, I know. They are all over the country and have been growing for years now. We used to fly recon over them in the old days”. As we continued our discussion after our Committee meeting adjourned, Bob went on in great detail about what we are going to see in the near future once these compounds have had time to breed, import and train their buddies for their future plans. For those of us that always thought that mankind had another two-thousand years to get it right after the life and message of Jesus, many scoffed at that idea when the year 2000 came and went. What these mathematically challenged idiots failed to realize was that two-thousand years after the life of Jesus would be 2033, NOT 2000. The next seventeen years will see these enclaves of Hijrah Muslims prepare for what our sellout government has committed to allowing and TS that HTF when it does will not be a pretty sight. I suggest you all enjoy what time you have left.

        • sprawlcapital August 22, 2016 at 11:23 pm #

          Walter–Maybe in mountainous areas, but I don’t foresee this happening in Iowa.

          Outside the cities, every section of land, that is every square mile, of Iowa land is bordered by roads, on a rectangular grid. Most of these are gravel roads. They were originally called farm-to-market roads, and the extreme productivity of the soil made it economic to build them.

          Anyway, the farthest you can get from a road in Iowa is at the center point of one of these square-mile sections, which is one half mile from a road. In the flat terrain of Iowa, it’s easy to see one half mile. That, plus the fact that virtually every acre of my state is either cultivated or built-on makes it highly unlikely that a substantial community of any type could be built and not be detected.

          • Walter B August 25, 2016 at 10:53 pm #

            Good point. The last time I rode through Iowa (past the dog track at Council Bluffs) on my way to Lincoln< Nebraska, you could see clear to Pennsylvania if you looked Eastward. And if you check out this Fox news video, you will see that there are none listed near your area:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAJGXI5l88

            America's Heartland – tagged for good reason! Keep the Faith my friend.

    • ozone August 22, 2016 at 11:32 am #

      Bro Jobe,
      Your assessment is correct. It will (mostly) never get done. I happen to know what kind of infrastructure is necessary for these tracts, having contributed in everything from the ditches to the shingles. It’s a *lot* more than just nailing together a bunch of sticks.
      (…And the terrifying delusion of providing McMansions for the muslim hordes is beyond ridiculous. If ya ain’t got the capital, ya ain’t got it. The End.)

      • stelmosfire August 25, 2016 at 9:43 am #

        Well, you could live in an adobe mudpack like Asoka, aka, WPA _CCC . But again you would not have power or running water.

    • shotho August 22, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

      Millennials are so dumbed down they don’t know which way is up. I have no doubt they will have an inchoate anger, but against whom?

      • Horzabky August 22, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

        Whoever they happen to hate. In Milwaukee, a black cop killed an armed suspect, who was also black. Black residents rioted and started beating up whites.

        Millennials of all colors will turn their anger at whoever they hate most, regardless of the targets’ actual responsibilities in their predicament.

        It has always been so. In medieval Europe, when there was a plague, they blamed the Jews for poisoning the wells.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

          And many of the Blacks who were lynched in the Old South were guilty of exactly of what they were charged with – as were the Whites who were lynched.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 23, 2016 at 11:30 am #

            Lynching = extrajudicial execution, which is murder under colour of law. Janos is consistent in viewing the rule of law as optional, a tool to be applied selectively where it favours his ends.

        • elysianfield August 25, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

          “Lynching = extrajudicial execution”

          Elrond,
          Lynching is taking a prisoner from lawful custody…whatever happens is another matter entirely. I was involved in a lynching once…no one was executed.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 7:44 pm #

            The online dictionary.com defines the verb lynch variously as:

            “to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority”

            “(transitive) (of a mob) to punish (a person) for some supposed offence by hanging without a trial”

            Both sound like extrajudicial execution to me.

            What’s more, remember James Byrd Jr.? Three men chained him behind a pickup truck and dragged him along the road for miles, to the point where his body literally fell to pieces. No less an authority than William L. Pierce, pseudonymous author of The Turner Diaries, called Byrd’s murder a lynching (while wondering what all the fuss was about). I was following Pierce’s antics at the time and I remember this clearly, though I don’t have a link to share.

          • elysianfield August 27, 2016 at 10:38 am #

            Elrond,
            Sorry…I was referencing “Lynching” as defined by California law. I should have qualified my statement.

    • wholy1 August 23, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      Yep, the aging “Boomers” and even their X-Gener prodigy will probably get their just reward someday. As a first-year “Boomer” ’45-46, not really looking forward to being a despised vet at 80. (sigh) Still considering – even at 70 – returning to SE Asia to “check out” there while chatting/flirting with the beautiful women, eating the fantastically varied and delicious spicy,wholesome, inexpensive food and tropical fruits, and trekking the country-side. The Laotians are especially hospitable, gracious and humble without the sex perversion and cut-throat commercialization of next-door Thailand.

  15. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 10:24 am #

    “But the usual “solutions,” solar and wind energy, don’t pencil out…” –JHK

    They do pencil out, and that is why oil/fossil fuels have no future.

    If you pencil in the costs of externalities, extra health and environmental costs of coal in the US comes to $500 billion/year. Health costs alone run between $140 billion and $242 billion every year. That means that we are paying between 9 cents and 15 cents per kWh in tax and health premium dollars for every kWh of electricity we generate using coal. Compare 9 cents to the recent PPA (power purchase agreement) to sell Austin Energy electricity for less than 5¢/kWh. Federal subsidy would come to ~ 2¢/kWh, which is much lower than then the estimated 9–15¢/kWh in health costs that coal brings us, and I would presume less than the health and environmental costs of natural gas

    Wind and solar are practical solutions. Residential rooftop solar power has hit grid parity in Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Australia, Hawaii, California, Arizona, and several other countries and US states.

    Levelized Cost of Electricity (LCOE) is often used in the electricity industry when discussing price. If you compare the levelized, unsubsidized cost of energy, alternative energy generation technologies are now cost competitive with conventional fossil fuel generation technologies. In other words, they pencil out.

    In the commercial sphere, price predictability or risk is another important issue to consider. Solar power plants and wind power plants don’t have fuel costs, of course, and have very little maintenance and operation costs. Their big costs are right up front, which makes predicting prices for a PPA (power purchase agreement) very easy.

    Coal power and natural gas power prices, on the other hand, can vary a great deal depending on the cost of the fuel. In the case of natural gas, price volatility is particularly strong. This makes the projects (and basing electricity generation decisions on them) quite risky, financially.

    Commercial PPAs are demonstrating that wind/solar pencil out. , SunEdison set a new record-low solar bid at 2.91¢/kWh ($29.1/MWh). That beats the 2.99¢/kWh bid a Masdar Consortium provided for an 800 MW solar power project in Dubai earlier this year.

    With commercial solar/wind coming in at half the price of fossil fuels, having fewer health externalities, lower maintenance costs, etc., it is not difficult to predict which power source pencils out.

    • baird August 22, 2016 at 10:56 am #

      I worked in the “alternative energy” business for many years and even 10yrs ago I did not think it possible that wind/solar could provide any significant contribution to the the energy mix. It’s happening now so quickly that just maybe fossil fuels can be substantially replaced with more benign energy sources. Big question is how quickly can this happen and how much climate change can we expect from the past and continuing fossil fuel use.

      • daveed August 22, 2016 at 6:33 pm #

        I’m totally on board with renewables. Anyone want to address the issue of energy storage, on a grand scale?

    • orbit7er August 22, 2016 at 11:02 am #

      A great case of thinking out of the box to both save external energy inputs and also cut greenhouse emissions is the NYC proposal to use methane captured from the very garbage they transport to fuel NYC’s huge garbage trucks:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/opinion/how-garbage-trucks-can-drive-a-green-future.html

      Of course Germany is already using methane recapture in a big way and helping many farms and agricultural areas make money on it.
      We are NOT doomed!
      If we quadrupled Green Transit non-Auto Addicted transit as the US elite did from 1942-45 we could easily cut bot Peak Oil usage and greenhouse emissions by 10% …
      It is a question of the WILL to do it!

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 11:12 am #

        Orbit7er,

        ALL of our existential problems are easily solved, if we have the WILL to make the hard choices. That collective “will” will never be evident in our Democratic system…sorry.

        • orbit7er August 22, 2016 at 11:36 am #

          Hmmm Millenials stopped the Keystone XL pipeline, towns stopped fracking in NY State. Millenials are making great headway in the Fossil Fuel Divestment Campaign. Also they are flocking back to walkable cities without cars and organic agriculture. Nothing changes without a struggle…
          But millions of people are making that struggle.
          The more difficult part as Naomi Klein points out is to realize we can NOT just continue BAU with our existing endless Wars, Auto Addiction and runaway consumerism.
          But for example Europe and Japan already have very civilized lifestyles while reducing driving by 3 times. Shared public assets and community is actually more fun and rewarding than private solitary consumer addiction!

          • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:14 pm #

            That only work in homogenous states. Europe is committing suicide with mass Brown and Black immigration. Already Whites are being savaged on mass transportation just as they are here.

          • Some are born to struggle, some achieve struggle, and some have struggle thrust upon them, to paraphrase Bill S.

            I can’t agree with your argument, because it reeks of a “savior fallacy” in the same vein as the myth that there is some baby being born somewhere, right now, who will invent the technology to save us all, just in time.

            Naomi Klein is right but I don’t see the millenial savior class. If they exist I should know about it, I live with them and interact closely in two western states, on college campuses and in the real world.

            There are large well-funded and run environmental lobbies, and then the kids I know who run the heat full blast with the window open. There are people deciding to power down and take more bike trips and then the kids I know who can’t feed themselves if the grocery store is farther than a quarter mile and there is no gas guzzling SUV to take a ride in. There are people eating low on the food chain in tune with local and sustainable agriculture and then the kids I know eating frozen pizzas and cheap beer and throwing all the admixed packaging and leftover organics right into the recycle bin.

            These kids don’t know an ass from a hole in their heads- don’t kid yourself. These kids, if anything, are completely deflated from a lifetime of coercive social indoctrination and total deflation of respect for adults after being shot out society’s anus with a worthless piece of paper.

            I also perceive a sort of wishful thinking among Boomers that, in spite of a slide into widespread debt and poverty, mental illness and depression, the kids are alright. So alright they are going to spring out of bed every morning to fix the massive systemic problems they had no hand in creating. Talk about wishful thinking.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:16 pm #

          Yes, we need a Great Leader to lead us into the promised land, one who will silence the profit jackals. You know far more than you say, just like that secret White Nationalist, Pat Buchanan.

        • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:44 pm #

          “ALL of our existential problems are easily solved, if we have the WILL to make the hard choices.” – elysianfield

          …where there’s a will there’s a way.

          chin up!

    • cbeard August 22, 2016 at 11:04 am #

      The only thing I agree with wpa_ccc on generally. Wind, solar, hydro etc. could eventually replace coal, nuclear and so on. But JHK is right in the short term, that lack of fossil fuels or the cost of such to move people and products around could be a big problem.

    • goat1001 August 22, 2016 at 11:11 am #

      The thermodynamic question of the day is can pure wind, solar and hydro power run all the machinery required in order to mine, transport, smelt and fabricate the components required to build more such hardware and infrastructure and keep a supply of replacement parts fabricated and ready for deployment?

      Will rechargeable-battery powered cranes, bulldozers, tractors, backhoes and dump trucks be able to promptly take over the chores of the fossil-powered equipment? I’m especially curious how steel foundries, cement plants and the huge array of industrial factories with their heavy equipment can migrate to fully renewable power. I can see an economy based on a partial renewable power source but I’m not convinced renewable can power everything. As Jim says, it doesn’t pencil out.

      Another question is who would pay for such a transition, even if it proved to be possible? And the final question is where will all the materials come from to rebuild an industrial society from scratch that will run on an entirely different energy source than fossil fuels?

      It would be nice if such a transition could be accomplished in a timely manner, before fossil fuels peak and climate change results in mass extinction. It would also be nice if governments, industry and people were flush with the cash to pay for it all.

    • lsjogren August 22, 2016 at 11:14 am #

      “Pencil out” is a poor choice of words by Kunstler.

      It feeds into the false debate about whether renewables are cost-competitive with fossil fuels.

      That’s the wrong question. Renewables are not FUNCTION-competitive with fossil fuels. The vast majority of consumption of fossil fuels is to perform functions that cannot be performed by renewable sources.

    • wholy1 August 23, 2016 at 10:27 am #

      Isn’t the “pencil out” relative to the exigent economically and financially constrained “system” within which it must be calculated?

  16. Cavepainter August 22, 2016 at 10:27 am #

    As ever, thanks Jim, glad I support your site. I’ll aver once more — research seemingly supportive — that our specie has reached its evolutionary cul-de-sac. Specifically, the human psyche invents contradictions to empirical evidence so that it can “hope” itself through situations that otherwise appear too overwhelming to face. Most such “beliefs” (denials of objective reality) conjured through time were futile of course, so disappeared along with those who embraced them. Given the technology of today that very thin strain of human genes that managed to worm itself through time (arriving at “now” compared against all that once felt the earth under feet) is about to fumble itself into extinction, taking most of its habitat with it. The almighty “God” now is the array of secular political/economic beliefs clung to by those without the emotional strength to mount harsher but more pragmatic approaches to coping. This “wishful thinking” is evidenced in the platitudes spouted by candidates today — preposterous idealism of earth accommodating eight billion people, cultural diversity, etc.

    • ozone August 22, 2016 at 11:44 am #

      Cave,
      Nicely stated.
      Wishful thinking and harsh predicaments. …And never the twain shall meet. (Just saw an interesting program on the origins of our gene pool/family tree. Yep, lots and lots of dead ends and busted branches. It’s the way of all creatures, and we are not *special* in this regard.)

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

        Are you ready to stand with your people now? And give up multi racism and culturalism? Or are you still a blue jay trying to hand out with crows?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:21 pm #

          hang out. Not looking for a hand out just a hang.

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

      “our specie has reached its evolutionary cul-de-sac” – Cavepainter

      you must know that EVERY generation felt that way.

  17. Beryl of Oyl August 22, 2016 at 10:33 am #

    Anyone else notice how Andrew Cuomo fearlessly and bravely took a stand with the environmentalists at the exact moment it became unprofitable to continue with the fracking?
    It almost made me think that their could have been clauses in some of those leases where the property owners needed to be paid if the companies decided not to use their option, that would be void if they were legally prevented from doing so.
    I also notice that there are a lot of state-backed crony capitalist type projects going on where it would be very inconvenient and also less profitable (for somebody) to follow all the government rules for walkability, accessibility and so forth, as well as environmental type rules and urban planning best practices. It almost seems as if they don’t really believe in this man-made global warming thing themselves, and are merely using it as a ruse to control, well, EVERYTHING, but only if it doesn’t interfere too much with some uber-wealthy oligarch type’s desires. The remarks from waste of skin John Kerry about air-conditioning should be a wake-up call, but it won’t.
    Donald Trump’s support comes from people like me, too. I’m not doing too bad myself but I don’t like seeing the harm done to millions of Americans by the financial fraudsters/corporatists/globalists and the 1% wanna-be politicians who serve them, not us. Instead of knocking Donald we should be backing him. There isn’t anyone else. The people who created this mess are not going to be the people to fix it.

    • woe August 22, 2016 at 6:06 pm #

      I agree. There is too much made in the media about some of his remarks about race, sex and immigration, and not enough about his comments on trade, the fuckin useless wars and the rigged system. He may have strong feelings on Muslims and Hispanics, but there would probably be millions of Iraqis and Syrians still alive if TPTB had followed some of the policies he proposes. He was the one of the few that has repeatedly said that the middle-eastern wars are a fiasco, I haven’t heard to ANYONE in the MSM to this day say that. NAFTA has decimated the american middle class, destroyed the local economies in Mexico (and the US) and has contributed to the lawlessness and the growth of the drug cartels. My only thing is that I cannot get mad at people fleeing death and destruction that we either created or had a hand in. We are not serious about the drug war, because if we were we would be invading Mexico, and would be trying to augment their law enforcement. If we want to respect some country’s national sovereignty, then why are we in the middle east and in particular Syria. Everywhere you look, someone wants to disapprove of what the man says, but when you scratch the surface of the remarks of the disapprove-rs, what they are disapproving is it will disrupt their rentier cash flows. He has just about single-handedly took out one of the most dysfunctional political parties in modern history, hell I hope he runs as a democrat next. He has put the fear of god into the 1%. I will not be voting for him, but I would love to nominate for the medal of honor

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:46 pm #

        “We are not serious about the drug war, because if we were we would be invading Mexico” – woe

        Is that Trump’s platform?

        • woe August 23, 2016 at 4:48 am #

          No Trump never said that. I was just illuminating this country’s hypocrisy with international interventions, they neither help the American people or the countries we are trying to help . They are just rackets.

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 8:52 am #

            got it

  18. orbit7er August 22, 2016 at 10:43 am #

    To their credit CNN broadcast the Green Party Townhall last week of Jill Stein and Baraka which DOES sketch out a Green Transition forward. Namely end the endless Wars costing the US $1 Trillion per year along with 6% of US oil usage and with the Pentagon the biggest direct greenhouse emitter of any institution on Earth. Use that money to transition to the shared economy we need – Green public transit, public schools, public parks, public libraries, public health. The shared economy not the economy of private greed which would everyone access to transit, health, books, learning without all the privatized profits amassing in higher and higher numbers to the plutocrats.
    Like the Sultan of Brunei with his 5,000 cars for just himself – as if he
    could ever possible DRIVE all those cars!? It is a pathological sickness of endless greed by the billionaires which is killing us more than anything.
    Why don’t you ever promote the leaders stepping forward for the changes we need, Jim, instead of the endless negativism?

    • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 10:47 am #

      Those leftist fools will fill the USA with hundreds of millions of Anti- Americans.
      And they will yack about ;’sustainability.’

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 7:06 pm #

        “Those leftist fools will fill the USA with hundreds of millions of Anti- Americans.”

        Malthuss,

        It occurred to me that protracted cultural warfare in the US would allow the government to further curtail any freedoms we currently have…without debate or supermajority.

        The government is ephemeral…you can kill all of their police and local administrators, and hundreds will apply for each of the openings created…you can’t kill the government…you cannot hurt the government. It ain’t their lives at stake, it ain’t their money. People running amok will have the population demanding a police state, and we will accept the jack boots on our front porch with tears of gratitude.

    • ozone August 22, 2016 at 11:55 am #

      Sounds like awaiting a savior figure will save us.
      There’s the trouble right there…

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:25 pm #

        There’s no other choice. We already almost past Churchill’s sweat and tears stages. There will be blood. The only thing that can avert that is the strength that comes from the Blood.

        All the Nobles of Europe simply assumed that all the Democracy talk was just a cover and that Washington was a new King who would pass it on to his son. But they were wrong and he stepped down.

        Stop being so cynical.

      • ozone August 23, 2016 at 6:19 pm #

        I never take advice from a slave.
        Perhaps it will take mine in regards to cultivating a more flexible mind and outward attitude — I highly doubt it as it is not in its pay grade or strict orders.
        Well, carry on then, Honey-trapper slaves; best of luck trying to get a few fools to stroll down your one-way street into that dark alley called enemy-of-the-state where you are waiting in ambush.

    • messianicdruid August 22, 2016 at 7:48 pm #

      Recognize that usury is against the Law. Just about everything else will get fixed in time.

  19. seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:10 am #

    When you can print as much money as you need, you can never default, by definition. The supercilious opinion Kunstler holds is true in a world with real money. It is not true in a fiat world. The Fed simply buys the stocks and bonds of the fracking companies. Cost of production is irrelevant. As long as we swing the biggest stick, no country will dare threaten the dollar again. His peak oil world occurs when oil becomes scarce. It is a race between when the people realize that central banks have robbed them of their wealth and when the oil begins running out. The people realize they are poorer, but cannot conceive that banks are the culprit; that the entire system is designed to steal from them in the most pernicious way possible: through inflation. How is this system still standing after the printing of trillions of dollars? Because the American military provides the bulwark against inflation.

    • lsjogren August 22, 2016 at 11:17 am #

      You correctly diagnose that true scarcity of fossil fuels will be what triggers the collapse of society.

      All that stuff about monetary system and banking is a relatively irrelevant sideshow.

    • Ussi August 22, 2016 at 11:54 am #

      You are correct seawolf77, for a monetarily sovereign nation debt is not a constraint.

      Though debt is not a constraint what is critical is that the supply of money correctly meets demand and that the money supply is used to pay for fundamentally productive, beneficial, and sustainable activity.

      The corrupt to the core status quo will collapse, the 1% are running out of road to kick the can down.

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 7:12 pm #

        “You are correct seawolf77, for a monetarily sovereign nation debt is not a constraint”

        Ussi,
        Your statement can only apply to a severing nation that issues the reserve currency…all other issuers face immediate impact with unrestrained issuance.

  20. San Jose August 22, 2016 at 11:21 am #

    “They live in abject fear of termination by the HR ghouls of the big corporations.”

    This fits Intel’s HR department perfectly.

    Jen in San Jose

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:36 am #

      I love it …HR Ghouls. Now that’s a great name for a softball team.

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:48 pm #

        bet they cheat.

        just poor sportsmanship

    • tufflove35 August 23, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

      I used to work for them here in Ausin,TX. A bunch of conceited bastards. Never again….

  21. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 11:23 am #

    “It is a race between when the people realize that central banks have robbed them of their wealth and when the oil begins running out.” –seawolf77

    The oil doesn’t seem to be running out, not even the low hanging fruit. Just the opposite. At the moment, the world is vastly oversupplied with oil. Producers are pumping out upwards of 2 million barrels per day more than current demand.

    Oil and gas companies continue to hunt for more oil and their quests have turned out to be rather fruitful, with a number of notable, yet relatively unnoticed discoveries being made over the past year.

    Yes, large oil and gas discoveries, that are economically viable, are still happening. When the large field discoveries stop, we can talk about oil beginning to run out.

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:34 am #

      Notable, relatively unnoticed, and yet unnamed. I have not heard of any. If you know of any, name them. The last of the American oil is the fracked fields. I think the depletion rates quoted here and other places were greatly exaggerated to sucker people into going long oil. And it worked. Right when people are certain the oil will last forever and no one is buying call contracts anymore, that’s when it will hit.

      • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 11:48 am #

        Oil and gas not American. Oil and gas production is a world market. LNG represents a major market opportunity for oil companies. And big discoveries are still happening. You want names? OK.

        Italian oil giant Eni discovered what it calls a “super giant” natural gas field just off of Egypt’s Mediterranean coast. This field, which Eni calls the “Zohr Prospect,” is believed to contain as much as “30 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, equivalent to 5.5 billion barrels of oil,” making it “the largest ever found in the Mediterranean Sea.”

        Chevron, in late April, found a 415-foot layer of natural gas off the western coast of Australia, part of the $54 billion Gorgon-Jansz LNG project is a joint venture between Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell, and ExxonMobil. This enormous undertaking will produce 15.6 million tons of LNG for export.

        • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 11:51 am #

          Those are gas fields. You said oil fields. There are none being found.

          • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 12:33 pm #

            There is only one in the last 20 years and that is Shaikan Sheikh Adi Field in Iraq Kurdistan ~4-6 billion barrels of which half is recoverable. Discovered in 2009 and production is still increasing. Whenever you see a glut or a moderation in prices it is almost always due to this: An elephant field (in the billions of barrels) comes online. The last time this happened in a big way was Prudhoe Bay and the North Sea. But that was the 80’s and Prudhoe Bay was 25 billion. A couple in Nigeria in the late 90’s. One in Norway. A couple in Russia. None of these are anywhere the size of Iraq, more like 1-2 billion.

          • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 12:42 pm #

            Correction. There is another one discovered in 2004, the Azadegan field which holds 26 billion, of which half is recoverable. So there was a Prudhoe Bay sized field waiting for us in Iraq. But I would be willing to bet that is the last of them. All the elephants are gone.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 22, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

            To add to seawolf77’s point, what’s interesting next is to take account of the rate of consumption and translate volume into time. In 2013, global crude oil consumption was just over 90 million barrels per day:

            http://www.indexmundi.com/energy/

            How much will it be this year? According to the International Energy Agency: “For 2016, the IEA Oil Market Report forecasts worldwide average demand of nearly 96 million barrels of oil and liquid fuels per day – that works out to more than 35 billion barrels a year.”

            – If wpa_ccc’s Zohr Prospect were crude oil instead of gas, which it isn’t, and if it were 100% recoverable, which is unlikely, then 5.5 billion barrels “equivalent” comes out to 5.5 billion / 96 million = 57.3 days’ worth of global oil consumption.

            – seawolf77’s Shaikan Sheikh Adi field is worth a month of global consumption at the present rate – theoretically as much as two months if you want to be unrealistically optimistic and assume 100% recovery. The Azadegan field is good for 135 days at 50% recovery, or 270 in an imaginary world where 100% can be recovered.

            In other words, even with liberal applications of wishful thinking, simple math shows that these three supposedly giant discoveries sum to 6-12 months’ worth of production at the current rate of consumption — before taking into account depletion of existing resources which need to be replaced first. If I were wpa, I’d be hoping there are a lot more out there that I didn’t mention.

  22. Cold N. Holefield August 22, 2016 at 11:24 am #

    JHK said: They live in abject fear of termination by the HR ghouls of the big corporations.

    Ah, yes, I remember these Little Eichmans well from my time in Corporate World. They weren’t the worst Little Eichmans, though, although they are a close second. That characterization, The Worst, is reserved for Corporate Legal Counsel — the scummiest of all scum. Corporations are pretty much The Third Reich with Cubes & Water Coolers serving in lieu of Gas Chambers & Crematoriums. At least the Jews, most of them, didn’t lose their souls in that horrible tragedy. The same can’t be said for those “employed” by Corporations.

    Arbeit Macht Frei

    • ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

      Yes – indeed!!! HR Ghouls! I knew one – the hottest employee where I worked for almost a decade. She couldn’t believe I *WHUZ* takin’ the VSP (Voluntary Separation Program). Neither could the guys in R&D, who made multiple offers to keep me there…

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:50 pm #

        “the hottest employee where I worked for almost a decade” – ZrCrypDiK

        now you got our attention!

        go on…

        • ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

          Too late? It’s over, you dumb fuck?!? Damn… (douche bags everywhere)

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 8:55 am #

            What’s “over” for you? Sex or only sex with “the hottest employee where I worked for almost a decade”?

            And was that 10 years spent on the seduction part? You know a man has got to make the first move. Just make it happen.

            Hope this helps.

  23. Cold N. Holefield August 22, 2016 at 11:34 am #

    The price of oil, now at least, is completely detached from any notion of supply & demand. It’s set by Insiders. For how long can they manage the charade? I don’t know. It seems to be working so far. I guess until the spigot runs dry — which was supposed to have happened by now. As far as Market Capitalization versus Profit Margins is concerned, apparently Amazon is the new paradigm. There’s no need to make a profit any longer. Break-even or a Net Loss is perfectly fine these days and shouldn’t adversely affect the price of your stock. So, don’t let a Net Loss prevent you from drilling for oil in Shale & Tar Sands. Net Loss, along with Orange, is the New Black.

    • ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2016 at 6:18 pm #

      So you really think *they’re* naked shorting oil, just liek they naked short every other *ASSET*?!… (gaming, FREE MONEY)

      • ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2016 at 7:34 pm #

        I believe *IT* has already shut us (our convo) down (sock puppet flood). Truth be damned?!… Heh

    • ZrCrypDiK August 28, 2016 at 7:08 pm #

      “As far as Market Capitalization versus Profit Margins is concerned, apparently (“The) Amazon (“) is the new paradigm.”

      How did I miss that, the first fly-by?!… Yeah – google maps the amazon, and see that (using at least 3-4 year old maps) there are logging roads every square mile…

      What lungs?!? Mother Earth getting pillaged? By *whom* (Father Capitalism – ‘hoom’)?

      PS – I did (for)see that Orange thangy (last time)…

  24. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 11:36 am #

    Today JHK mentions “medical racketeering.” You remember all that talk about Obamacare and “socialism” and Saul Alinsky and the “government takeover” of the health-insurance industry?

    Since Obamacare passed in March 2010, Aetna’s stock has rocketed 270%, with dividends reinvested. Rivals Cigna and Humana have risen about the same. (The benchmark S&P 500 Index has increased 99%.) UnitedHealth Group UNH is up a staggering 371%, meaning a dollar invested at the advent of Obamacare is worth almost $5 today.

    “Socialism,” disguised as capitalistic medical racketeering, never looked so profitable.

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 12:01 pm #

      The Rockefeller Conspiracy.

    • Beryl of Oyl August 22, 2016 at 12:14 pm #

      That’s what my foreign friend saw right away – Obamacare was a big giveaway to the insurance industry. So many Americans can’t see it.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

        If so, why did Aetna just bow out? Did they make a mistake in their calculations? Or was this forced on the industry just as selling homes to minority bad credit disasters was forced on the Banks?

        I really don’t know!

        • Elrond Hubbard August 22, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

          Aetna’s threat to withdraw from the health-care exchanges may or may not be a consequence of adverse selection (i.e. healthy people defying the mandate and choosing not to pay for health insurance until they get sick).

          But it definitely has a lot to do with the money they stand to make by merging with Humana — a merger that was blocked by the Department of Justice.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aetna-obamacare-pullout-humana-merger_us_57b3d747e4b04ff883996a13

          Trying to get its way, trying to bring down the president’s signature policy is quite a bargaining chip for Aetna to have.

          “[Aetna’s exit] also was directly related to a Department of Justice decision to block the insurer’s potentially lucrative merger with Humana, according to a letter from Aetna’s CEO obtained by The Huffington Post.

          “But just last month, in a letter to the Department of Justice, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini said the two issues were closely linked. In fact, he made a clear threat: If President Barack Obama’s administration refused to allow the merger to proceed, he wrote, Aetna would be in worse financial position and would have to withdraw from most of its Obamacare markets, and quite likely all of them.

          “Bertolini penned the letter, which The Huffington Post obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, on July 5 — 16 days before the Justice Department announced it would fight the Humana deal. The department had asked Aetna how, if at all, a decision on the proposed merger would affect Aetna’s willingness to offer insurance through the exchanges.

          “Bertolini responded bluntly. Aetna supported the law’s goal to expand coverage and planned to increase its exchange offerings next year, in the hopes that the exchanges would stabilize as enrollment grew, he wrote.

          “But if the Justice Department were to block the merger, Bertolini warned, Aetna could no longer sustain the losses from its exchange business, forcing it to sharply change direction.”

          The U.S. needs a wholesale change in the way it does health care, most likely to a single-payer system like we enjoy here in Canada. For an idea of just how bloated, inefficient and ineffective the current way of doing this is in the U.S., just look at the graph in this article:

          http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/08/the-link-between-health-spending-and-life-expectancy-the-us-is-an-outlier.html

    • messianicdruid August 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

      I wondered where all the increases in my health costs were ending up.

  25. LeoH August 22, 2016 at 11:50 am #

    The only politicians that get a look at becoming president are either ‘managed’ or if they swim against the current have a lot of money, Trump has illustrated this rather well. There are no better leaders that swim against the current (pun intended) without financial means. Yes, forget solar and wind – nuclear will be the answer, tidy profits and very clean if you don’t have any accidents. The mindset of kicking the can down the road is there and won’t change unless you cut off that head. They don’t care if the waste remains dangerous for a million years – technology baby. We’ll package it and send it into space so the Sun can incinerate it.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:34 pm #

      Well said. Trump is El Senor. No one else can do this. He himself said that he could name ten other people off the top of his head who could govern America well – but none of them could get elected.

      Sending nuclear waste into the Sun is a fine idea. Until then, coal is King. People raving about coal pollution have never been cold in their lives. One night out on the plateau outside Shangri La would cure of them of their foolishness.

      • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

        “Sending nuclear waste into the Sun is a fine idea”

        Janos,
        Fine idea, but not a new one. Consider a few tons of plutonium waste blowing up on the launch pad, or failing to reach orbit and landing in…Detroit, or New Haven….

        • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 10:49 pm #

          Detroit. We can engage in a stealth war against our enemies. Ok, ok, Syria.

  26. Beryl of Oyl August 22, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

    Candidate Clinton took a private jet to Nantucket from Martha’s Vineyard. There’s a limerick in there somewhere.

  27. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

    “There is only one [oil field discovered] in the last 20 years” –seawolf77

    Seawolf77, oil and gas are fungible. But you asked for oil field discoveries, so I will name some, discovered within the last 20 years. Together they equal another Ghawar.

    The Sugar Loaf field in Brazil was discovered in 2007, nine years ago, with 40 billion barrels. The Jupiter field in Brazil was discovered in 2008, eight years ago. The Lula Field in Brazil (Santos Basin) was discovered in 2007, nine years ago. The Kashagan Field in Kazakhstan was discovered in 2000.

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:26 pm #

      The Brazil fields have produced no oil. Petrobras’s market cap shows it. So those are just a dry hump. And the entire Caspian Sea thing was downgraded by a factor of 10 as far as recoverable oil goes. I think the Iraq fields are the only ones that have produced any oil worth noting.

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

      I think you are mistaken on your definition of fungible. Oil is not even fungible with itself. A barrel of sweet Saudi or Louisiana crude is much more valuable than sour Venezuelan crude.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 1:42 pm #

        Whaddya you smoke the shit or what? Try coal if you want a real high. Don’t even get me started on radiation. We will repo ourselves if we use it right.

  28. miasmo August 22, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

    Not sure why you would rule out people being “remarkably dumb” as a possibility. But at this point where they are not turning a profit, to avoid bankruptcy they need to keep borrowing money. They can’t borrow more if they don’t at least stay current with their ongoing interest payments. So they must keep operating, even at a loss, just to have the revenue to keep paying the interest. And maybe they believe that they will soon be rescued by the return of high prices. Maybe. That hope might be “remarkably dumb.”

    • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm #

      Sorry, this was meant as a reply to comment farther up the thread.

  29. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

    “Renewables are not FUNCTION-competitive with fossil fuels.” –lsjogren

    lsjogren, do you know of any fossil fuels that are sustainable and emission-free? I think you got it backwards. Fossil fuels are not function-competitive with renewable, sustainable, emission-free alternative energy applications, whether in industrial or transportation functions, if you include the CO2 emissions metric. We need to replace fossil fuels to reduce greenhouse gas emissions which threaten the future of the planet.

    Eventually, whatever you can run now with diesel you will run with renewables. Cars, buses, trucks (including 18 wheelers), bulldozers, etc. We will get beyond battery-based propulsion to a hybrid power unit based on fuel cell and hydrogen as a fuel (where hydrogen is produced from carbon dioxide free energy sources and is used as an alternative fuel).

    Wind electricity generation to produce hydrogen via electrolysis, and its application in a PEMFC vehicle, has the lowest greenhouse gas emissions metric (a metric where conventional fossil fuels cannot even compete).

    • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

      Renewables will never replace fossil fuels, if by replace you mean provide the same amount of energy. We will have to learn to live with less energy. Much less. This is not negotiable. Hydrogen powered vehicles are a fantasy. We will go back to horses and barges and walking and bicycles. Hopefully we will have enough diesel to keep a decent amount of rail transport. Life will simply become much more local. To use Thomas Friedman’s stupid metaphor, the world will get round again.

    • Danny jr2 August 28, 2016 at 2:56 am #

      There is no such thing as renewable energy. There is no such thing as emissions free energy either. Keeping the current set of living arrangements going means destruction of the living planet, no matter what you use to run it. I challenge any one reading this to provide proof that I’m wrong.

      • JimInFlorida August 29, 2016 at 7:33 am #

        Danny, the term “renewable energy” is one of these New Agey words to represent energy replenished by the Sun.

        If you ignore the initial investment of oil energy to build solar PV panels or wind turbines, once they are built, they extract energy provided by the Sun.

        Methane extraction from landfills is also a form of so-called renewable energy. The initial investment of garbage, time, and solar energy to heat the decaying mass buried deep in the ground, creates methane in sufficient quantity to be extracted and burned for fuel. Unfortunately, most landfills only generate enough methane to run the onsite power plant to run the landfill. But, at least the landfill itself is self-sustaining in its operations.

  30. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

    “I think you are mistaken on your definition of fungible.” –seawolf77

    FUNGIBLE: “able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.”

    Oil and gas are fungible. For example, combustion engines can be powered by either oil (gasoline vehicles) or natural gas (NGV).

    Fungible fossil fuels. The combustion engine does not care which replaces which. There were 22.7 million NGVs operating in car, taxi, bus, and truck fleets in 2015.

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

      Silver is fungible. Gold is fungible. Oil is not. Natural gas is not. Diamonds are not.

      • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 2:46 pm #

        “Silver is fungible. Gold is fungible. Oil is not. Natural gas is not. Diamonds are not.” –seawolf77

        What dictionary or other source are YOU using, seawolf77?

        “if Person A lends Person B his car, it is not acceptable for Person B to return a different car, even if it is the same make and model as the original car lent by Person A. Cars are not fungible with respect to ownership, but the gasoline that powers the cars is fungible.

        (Fungibility Definition, Investopedia)

        “For example, since one ounce of pure gold is equivalent to any other ounce of pure gold, gold is fungible. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, other precious metals, and currencies.”

        (Fungibility – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

        • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

          It even says sweet crude oil. Oil is not fungible because the sulfur content varies. Ditto natural gas. Your position is untenable, and yet you refuse to relinquish it. You must be a conservative.

          • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 3:13 pm #

            I am a conservative. But that is neither here nor there. Oil is a fungible commodity, seawolf77, meaning oil of different grades and origins is largely interchangeable.

            It doesn’t mean all oil is the same on a chemical level (you refer to sulfur); different grades of oil have different sulfur content and viscosities, which affect refinement needs and extraction efforts, respectively.

            But just as a $10 bill minted in San Francisco has the same value as one made in Philadelphia, a barrel of crude oil produced in Saudi Arabia has a comparable value as a barrel of crude produced in Venezuela. Consumers can blend grades of crude oil at will to achieve the desired mixture, and benchmark prices have created a highly integrated price structure in the international market that reinforces the interchangeability of oil. Ipso facto, oil is fungible.

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:56 pm #

        “Silver is fungible. Gold is fungible. Oil is not. Natural gas is not. Diamonds are not.”

        Peak Oil – Kunstler

        Diamonds are Forever – DannyDiamonds

  31. malthuss August 22, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

    Clinton,

    WHY DOES SHE FALL SO MUCH?
    She fell in 2009 and broke her elbow. She fell while boarding a plane in 2011. In 2012, she fainted, fell, and suffered a concussion that left a blood clot on her brain. Earlier this year, either she fell and was helped to her feet by bodyguards, or Ol’ Muffin Ass had trouble scaling a small flight of wooden stairs by herself. Last week she appeared to stumble after introducing Joseph Biden in that Basset Hound bark she has while giving campaign speeches.

    WHY DOES SHE COUGH SO MUCH?
    It makes her look unhealthy. Extremely unhealthy. It’s as if she’s ready to hock out her esophagus like a big bloody loogie. All that cringeworthy hacking and gagging and throat-clearing and water-sipping and choking leads a curious mind to wander through cognitive meadows that allow the possibility that Hillary Clinton has a lung tumor the size of a football.

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    • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 2:52 pm #

      WHY DOES SHE FALL SO INFREQUENTLY?

      2009 — 1 fall

      2011 — 1 fall

      2012 — no falls, until after fainting

      2016 — 1 fall

      That is 3 “falls” in seven years. Hillary appears healthy.

      You forgot to mention one reason she coughed in 2016: 11 straight hours of grilling by a tag team of Republicans on a witch hunt similar to yours, malthuss.

    • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 6:52 pm #

      She’s running for President, not a gymnastics team. FDR, one of our greatest presidents, had polio. JFK suffered from Addison’s Disease.

      • S M Tenneshaw August 23, 2016 at 2:48 am #

        Now we know the secret cravings behind Janos’ show of racism. He’s rooting for Gabby Douglas for President!

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

      “Taki’s Magazine misses out on traffic, and our writers don’t get paid for their work.” – malthuss

      YEA!

  32. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

    “The Brazil fields have produced no oil. Petrobras’s market cap shows it. So those are just a dry hump.” –seawolf77

    A lucrative “dry hump”!

    “Petrobras recently announced its October 2014 hydrocarbon production figures. The company’s total oil and gas production from Brazil increased to 2,579 thousand barrels of oil equivalent per day, up more than 11.5% over last year. Its domestic crude oil production grew by 8.5% from 1,959.5 thousand barrels per day last year to hit an all-time high of 2,126.4 MBD this year. The month-on-month growth in crude oil production from Brazil stood at 0.4%. Most of the increase in hydrocarbon production came from the ramp up of P-55 and P-62 platforms at the Roncador field and the P-58 platform at the Parque das Baleias (Whale Park) field. Both the fields are located in the offshore Campos Basin that holds more than two-thirds of the company’s total proved hydrocarbon reserves in Brazil.”

    “Petrobras’ Crude Oil Production From Brazil Hits An All-Time High In October” Nov. 12, 2014, Fortune.

    • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

      “The Brazil fields have produced no oil.” –seawolf

      Wasn’t peak oil (globally) supposed to have happened in 2005?

      So why is Brazil’s oil production growing year over year?

      Here are the peak oil production projections for Brazil:

      2.37Mb/d (2015)

      3.33Mb/d (2022)

      6.59Mb/d (2035)

      These projections are the result of applying a multi-Hubbert variant to Brazil’s oil production for 1P, 2P and 3P reserves.

      “1P reserves” = proven reserves (both proved developed reserves + proved undeveloped reserves).

      “2P reserves” = 1P (proven reserves) + probable reserves, hence “proved AND probable.”

      “3P reserves” = the sum of 2P (proven reserves + probable reserves) + possible reserves, all 3Ps “proven AND probable AND possible.”

    • seawolf77 August 22, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

      The problem with your argument is they were supposed to be producing 3 times that or 6 million barrels a day by now and be an oil powerhouse. That is why Petrobas was valued at 480 billion in 2007 and is now valued at 60 billion, the largest loss of market cap by any company in that time period. All the hoopila turned out to be a big smoopiela. A gigantic dry hump would have been more accurate.

      • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

        “Petrobas was valued at 480 billion in 2007 and is now valued at 60 billion” –seawolf77

        Now you are confusing an abstract market valuation with actual physical petroleum reserves. The U.S. is the principle culprit behind the collapse in oil prices, as its rapid run up in production pushed supplies well beyond demand.

        Brazil has enough oil (which is what I thought we were talking about) to meet its needs for another 100 years or more. Brazil still has a backlog of new projects coming online. Any temporary production decline (or decline in market valuation) is due to other factors (like a strike of workers in 2015 or field maintenance in 2016), not lack of oil. Production will go back up in 2017.

    • Yuri Sowryteski August 22, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

      Total oil used world wide, per day, 93,000,000 barrels.

      • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm #

        Brazil is the world’s largest sugarcane ethanol producer and a pioneer in using ethanol as a motor fuel. In 2015/16, Brazilian ethanol production reached 30.23 billion litres (8 billion gallons). Most of this production is absorbed by the domestic market where it is sold as either pure ethanol fuel or blended with gasoline. All gasoline sold in Brazil includes a blend of 18 to 27.5 percent ethanol.

        90 percent of new cars sold today in Brazil are flex fuel due to consumer demand, and these vehicles now make up about 70% of the country’s entire light vehicle fleet – a remarkable accomplishment in less than fifteen years. As a result, Brazilian consumers have a choice at the pump when they fuel their cars and most are choosing sugarcane ethanol for its price and environmental benefits, MAKING GASOLINE THE ALTERNATIVE FUEL in the country.

        • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 7:59 pm #

          “Total oil used world wide, per day, 93,000,000 barrels.” – Yuri Sowryteski

          …not today, i biked to the beach

  33. DrGonzo August 22, 2016 at 2:18 pm #

    Sigh. When oil prices are too high,we’re doomed. When oil prices are too low, we’re doomed. In Kunstler’s weird economic world, the consequences of supply vs demand morph into a symptom that The End is Near.

    I don’t disagree with the general prognosis, but I’ve lost all faith in JHK’s grasp of basic economics.

    Further, I note that in January he predicted a 50% implosion in the S&P index by June of this year. Another failed prognostication down the memory hole.

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:00 pm #

      don’t invest alongside Kunstler.

    • miasmo August 22, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

      JHK is simply describing reality. We are in fact doomed. Prices will fluctuate, but the cost of extraction will continue to go beyond what can “fuel” economic growth.

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 8:59 am #

        “We are in fact doomed.” – miasmo

        chill

  34. AHtheHumanity August 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

    “We” does not include everyone…the little people…Kunster seems to be targeting all the people who support the failing system. Those who are out on the street, who have been struggling to pay for things and find honest work…hisself as an example…people with a brain that has some level of critical analysis and intelligent responses to problems will not be suffering a big fall…since the emergency started for most people 10 years ago. When the results of mismanagement reach the managers, then “we” will see some major seismic activity. The “we” are the political parties…they have jumped ships swirling in a tempest…both going down. Now, all that matters to “we” is maintaining their fairytale narrative to the bitter end of “we”.

    • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 3:40 pm #

      “since the emergency started for most people 10 years ago.” –AHtheHumanity

      Is this Humpty Dumpty Day? Do words just mean whatever you want them to mean?

      EMERGENCY: “an unexpected and usually dangerous situation that calls for immediate action”

      If it has lasted for 10 years, it is no longer an “emergency” … it was an emergency on day one, when it was an “unexpected situation” … the second day of an emergency, you have already taken “immediate action”… you wake up on day two and you know what to expect. Your situation is no longer “unexpected.” If it has lasted 10 years, in what sense can it be considered a “dangerous situation”?

      Because it is no longer unexpected, because it is being addressed by immediate action, because it is not dangerous, it is no longer an emergency.

    • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 4:15 pm #

      I don’t know about that Humanity. The elite of both parties seem to be doing pretty well in the DC metro area. Incomes are high (highest in the nation), jobs are secure, life is good. Why worry?

      brh

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:02 pm #

        “The elite of both parties seem to be doing pretty well in the DC metro area.” BRH

        Hey!

        Send that money to NYC

        We know how to use it

        • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 11:26 pm #

          What? Biked to the beach?

          I thought the way to get to the beach in NYC is aboard a rooftop helicopter straight to a landing pad in the Hamptons. Maybe I’m wrong on that.

          brh

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:01 am #

            I’m the “Little Guy” in EH (although I stand 6’2″). I spent the morning at my EH beach community and DROVE (if you can believe it) into Manhattan for an afternoon Board Meeting.

            see…there is ‘community’!

  35. wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 3:27 pm #

    PROOF TRUMP DOES NOT WANT TO BE PRESIDENT

    * Vanity Fair media writer Sarah Ellison reports in a radio interview that Trump has had private discussions with his inner circle about “how to monetize” the new audience he’s built up. As Ellison puts it, this potential goal should no longer be seen as “speculation.”

    * The New York Times reports today that in July, Trump’s campaign “spent more on renting arenas for his speeches” than he did on setting up a national field operation, leaving him with no operation to speak of. That is consistent with the idea that Trump (as I’ve speculated) is very consciously sinking most of his resources into a format (rallies) that allows him to continue staging his unique form of raucous WWE-style political entertainment, and building an audience that thrills to it, rather than winning a general election.

    * Trump’s first TV ad of the general election, with its fearmongering about refugee-terrorists and dark hordes flooding over the southern border, did not appear to be aimed at the constituencies Trump needs to improve among — college educated whites, suburban women, nonwhites.

    * Kurt Bardella, a former Breitbart News spokesman and political strategist, tells CNN that Trump’s hiring of Bannon means:

    “There is this desire by Trump, and I think Bannon as well, to launch a media venture…even the rhetoric of the Trump campaign, fixating on the media, bringing up the narrative of how this election is rigged — that the media has it in for him, that this is why he’s going to lose — it’s laying the groundwork for something else.”

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:06 pm #

      $ “how to monetize”

      $ building an audience

      $ to launch a media venture

      i hate to say it

      …but i told you so

  36. aibohphobia August 22, 2016 at 3:48 pm #

    I think the leaders are out there, but the US political system operates a lot like a swampy pond; When the waters remain still for a long time, the slime rises to the top and keeps everything else down below the surface. It is not until the pond waters get roiled, as with World War or a Depression, that more able statesmen can rise to the top.
    Even if you have a statesman — or anyone– that knows what needs to be done, the real problem is that solutions that could work and prevent chaos will take power from the Powers That Be, and make everyone else (except the very poor) more miserable than they think they should be.
    This was best expressed by Ugo Bardi in his essay, “Peak Civilization.” http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/ugo-bardi/peak-civilization
    A wise man from Londinium sees the impending fall of the Roman Empire and takes the trouble to go to Rome with solutions. He somehow sees the Emperor, advises him to pull back the Legions, assign them to guard towns, reduce the Roman Senators’ power, and spend as much time as possible building infrastructure before the collapse.
    The Emperor realizes that if he implements this plan, he will be catz-ass-unated (substitute the real word that starts with “A”) due to power dynamics, and so the Roman Empire must collapse in a messy, uncontrolled fashion.

    I’m not sure even Bernie Sanders understands our true situation as well as you, JHK, but he probably understood it better than any of the other Prez candidates. If you read Bardi’s essay and think of Sanders, it will all sound eerily familiar….

    • daveed August 22, 2016 at 6:57 pm #

      Just curious….did you choose to use a synonym for the ‘a’-word to avoid raising a red flag with some unidentified gubmint agency?

      • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:08 pm #

        like what they did to Julius Caesar?

        • aibohphobia August 24, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

          Err, yes. Rumour has it that the No Such Agency and its congeners scan the internet looking for words that have a mouth feel like “Cat-Zass-Ination” “Derriere-izm” “Alcoholic-Eye-Duh” etc. So if you want to discuss such things in a purely academic manner, you may be able to avoid another circle on your Venn diagram by using sound-alike nonsense.
          Of course, anything you post here is likely to be read by some adjunct of the current US administration, so no guarantees that any of us will escape “screw-tinny,” eh?

          The technical term for this method of speaking or writing is, I believe, “Gr33n Sp33ch.”

    • KesaAnna August 22, 2016 at 10:10 pm #

      thanks for the link .

      gratifying essay.

      the amusing part is that, basically, the old druids advice to the Emperor is to dismantle the empire.

      You could maybe call it decentralization . you could paint it in optimistic colors by comparing it to the transformation of the British Empire into the commonwealth .
      You could pull a Ronald Reagan and wax poetic over ” limited government ” — without ever actually spelling out how that would work or what it would actually mean.

      The Old druid is advising the Emperor to look forward to the Holy Roman Empire.

      But Romans wouldn’t see that as something to look forward to , as Americans unfortunately will not see it as something to look forward to.

      one of the most striking things I see in this blog and its comment section is all the , ” Think local, think local , LOCAL .

      yet the United states in no way fits into this local model.

      In this the progressives and the doomsday preppers agree, the multi-culturalists and the racists agree ;
      preserve the united states no matter what .

      — Even though that certainly is — at least part of — the problem.

      • ozone August 23, 2016 at 10:13 am #

        KesaAnna,
        Personally, I have no predictions about whether the “United” States remains united — only that it probably won’t be too pragmatic come resource crunch time. I think this, “Preserve the Republic, whether hell or high water!”, is [subconsciously] a root part of all this wishful thinking about energy replacements. Some areas are going to have more access to resources than others; that’s how it goes and it will be the basis for “in-house” trade relations and frictions.

        Read Greer’s “Retrotopia” series at “The Archdruid Report” for an interesting take on this, from the perspective of an ambassador. (You’re going to have to go back a ways; this would be the 22nd installment.)

  37. fodase August 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

    here is President Trump’s motorcade being threatened and a vehicle being jumped on by your typical uneducated democrat. the old party of decency really has become a sewer of human waste.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/video-protesters-block-jump-vehicle-trump-motorcade/

    • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 4:04 pm #

      How do you know the kid who jumped onto the hood of the car was “your typical uneducated democrat”?

      How do you know Trump was actually inside the car?

      fodase

    • dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:08 pm #

      making shit up?

  38. BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 3:53 pm #

    Speaking of employment in Europe …

    Read recently the unemployment rate in Greece might be as high as 50% … question is, before the massive influx of Muslim refugees (of all stripe) into the EU, the unemployment rate was already about 12% overall … where are these millions of recent arrivals going to work?Merkel is imploring German companies to hire some of them, but what about Germans who don’t have jobs, shouldn’t they be hired first? German employers claim these refugees are unemployable, i.e. don’t know how to speak German, don’t understand German customs etc. The only thing I can see happening is large swaths of Germany filled up with idle Muslims, restive, pissed off, seething with hatred, and looking for revenge.

    brh

    • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

      “idle Muslims, restive, pissed off, seething with hatred, and looking for revenge.” –brh

      Kind of like what Bush did to Iraq, disbanding the Iraq army, leaving them idle, restive, pissed off, seething with hatred, and looking for revenge… which they managed in the form of Daesh. I am glad I did not vote for Bush.

      • BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

        I should have added besides idle and pissed off, ‘On the dole’.

        Because most of these new arrivals will be on welfare. And so will their children and grandchildren. You can pretty much bank on it.

        brh

        • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

          When work fails,

          Welfare
          Crime
          Suicide.

          However to frame the Invasion as an economic problem is to miss the mark.
          It is a taking down of the White world.

          JHK does not want ‘live clips’, so here—

          The Most Disturbing Video on the Islamic Invasion of Europe You’ll Ever See [title]
          Say No To Islam [page at ut].

      • Cavepainter August 22, 2016 at 6:00 pm #

        Wpa-ccc, you (what ever or whoever you are) astound me, Your postings strike me as being a Loaves & Fishes parable to those embracing techno-triumphalism — one of those new “faiths” of secular order corresponding to the prosperity faiths (God as sugar daddy) proliferating as economic desperation grips more and more folks. The way you sort through “facts” is like those televangelist dicing passages in the Bible, spewing arcane interpretations in effort to pave over all the contradictions. I guess that makes you a high priest of sorts, or maybe Pope propounding encyclicia aimed at quelling the disquiet and doubt that ineluctable nature might cast about the “miracles” you proclaim. Sainthood awaits.

        • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 6:20 pm #

          Your postings strike me as being a Loaves & Fishes parable to those embracing techno-triumphalism — Brilliant.

          I dont read much of those posts.

        • wpa_ccc August 22, 2016 at 7:54 pm #

          Thank you, cave painter. You are too kind.

    • elysianfield August 22, 2016 at 7:37 pm #

      “restive, pissed off, seething with hatred, and looking for revenge.”

      Thank God you have none of those bastards in New Haven….

  39. GetAbike August 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

    It is nice to read something of the old Jim- writing about a familiar topic like peak oil- without the social commentary and scapegoating tone of the last few years.
    I guess some of your new friends like Malthuss make up for it, so all’s well.
    At any rate, the collapse continues on its journey, but has lost its sense of urgency- as it lulls us into complacency with sub-prime auto loans, and online shopping for the absolute lowest price for this or that. No way am I ever paying full bore retail for anything!
    Where will we shop when the Collapse finally pulls into the station?
    Now THAT will be an emergency.

  40. sharonsj August 22, 2016 at 4:45 pm #

    Every time the price of gasoline goes down, economists expect consumers to rush out with the money they’ve saved on gas and spend it on other stuff. Then they are surprised when that doesn’t happen. It never occurs to these “experts” that the few dollars we save isn’t enough to buy much of anything because everything costs too damn much and we’re all broke anyway.

    Plus. I’m getting too old to physically partake in the revolution. I’d just like to see it happen while I’m still above ground. Hopefully the next TARP will be the spark.

  41. ZrCrypDiK August 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

    “The explanation may be that people who actually understand the dark dynamics spinning out are rather pessimistic about ***the our*** ability to carry on under the familiar disposition of things.”

    The HOUR (of OUR)?!…

    Haha, OK, OK – lighten the F*? Kunstler’s Utopia! Glad to see the *dream*’s still alive…

    “Garbage barge” – quite the intuitive insight… The last of the rainforests are all going clearcut/slash and burn, so you can get your daily dose of palm oil. It is a very nice product, let’s be clear – but only lasts 5-7 years in those clearcut/slash&burn ex-forests (much like the cattle grazing for fast food burgers, since the 80’s)./././

  42. tucsonspur August 22, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

    “…that all the splendid rackets of the day…can just grind along like some old riverboat banger engine keeping the garbage barge of American life afloat. Thus, Hillary is shaping up to be the patsy of the century…” Sweet.

    Who knows. She could wind up being “Tugboat Hillary”, guiding that barge through dangerous waters on her own “Narcissus”, sturdily built by Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation. No umiak for her.

    She will do this with reasonably calm seas, for at least one term.
    But soon, the seas will rage and roil, and it will be any port in a storm, if we don’t go under.

    Or, it could be Trump, the “Lighthouse”, who saves us all!

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:04 am #

      News from nyc:

      Did you know, for instance the Trump Place, a larger residential clustering along the Hudson ONLY uses Trump’s name? He owns shit.

      • elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 10:16 am #

        “He owns shit.”

        He would own much more, but someone stole his lunch money….

        • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 10:38 am #

          His Privileged childhood taught him nothing about The Schoolyard.

          In the schoolyard, he coulda’ learnt about protecting his lunch.

          Wall Street taught him that lesson through multiple bankruptcies.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:58 pm #

          Someone is very jealous. How dare a Non-Jew make it in real estate in New York!

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:35 pm #

            he’s low-man on the totem

  43. San Jose August 22, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

    Beryl of Oyl…

    Here’s a quick and dirty limerick about Hillary’s 20 mile jet ride:

    Clinton on her jet to Nantucket,
    Showed that good stewards of earth can go fuck it,
    “I’m in a big hurry,
    So why should I worry?
    My time is worth cash by the bucket!”

    • tucsonspur August 22, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

      That wasn’t too dirty, didn’t blush at all.

      Really? 20 miles! Not much time to do it then. If she does do it, who would she do it with? Anybody? Probably past all that. She would probably tell me, like the song says, “… I get my kicks above the waist, sunshine”!

    • ZrCrypDiK August 23, 2016 at 12:06 am #

      Hah! Mom?!? U still LDS’n it? Hot or Cold Evil? Ain’t that the *SWITCH*.

    • aibohphobia August 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm #

      Gotta work on that meter a bit. How about a few slight changes;

      “On Hillary’s jet to Nantucket,
      She told Stewards of Earth to “Go F*ck it!
      “I’m in a big hurry
      So why should I worry?
      My time is worth cash by the bucket!”

  44. rapier August 22, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

    At least this week JHK is polite and reasonable about the black urban underclass. What he used to tune in on was the dysfunction in rural America among the young and formerly young where meth, heroin, prescription drugs galore and booze are consuming lives at a prodigious pace.

    I have no clue how this fits into Trumpism and its race paranoia but it’s here where I think the real anarchy may take root. Take root for the wrong reasons. Ignoring the monetary/financial/energy/growth dynamic of decay and instead lashing out in odd directions so nobody will notice the real reasons for quite some time.

    It isn’t quite a non sequitur to quote Cheney. “The American way of life is not negotiable.” Or even questionable among the elites so then few others either who will be unable to name the things which render their lives so meaningless and so will lash out at at the wrong targets. The result for the system will be approximately the same however.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 22, 2016 at 11:08 pm #

      Race paranoia? They’re killing cops. And in general they murder at seven to ten times the White rate. Not seven percent more, six to nine hundred percent more. And no, trigger happy cops don’t kill them at a higher rate than they do Whites.

  45. JimInFlorida August 22, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

    To answer JHK’s conundrum over just WTF is keeping our fake money going, I’ll clean up an earlier comment of mine and add some things….

    For much of humanity’s existence, fiat currencies were usually fixed to some physical underlying asset from which to multiply lines of credit. We get apoplectic over escalating trillions in new debt because we believe there aren’t enough fixed assets to go around to cover all the potential calls. You have to expand your minds outside the box to grasp the next step…

    Our fiat currency derives its power from capturing INCOME STREAMS and MONEY MOVEMENT. Fixed assets are limited. The power to create CHAOS, disruptions, regulatory compliance costs, contracts, fees, legal action, and lawsuits, can create ENDLESS income streams. For example, social disruption via 3rd world immigration forces money to move as Whites either escape the degradation of their social environment or, attempt to fortify themselves in place. Whites have been forced to spend money to insulate themselves from neighborhood problems that had not existed before 1967. But, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    Money movement created by disruption requires new money to be created in order make those income streams happen AND the ability to skim endless rents. WAR is the best way to create massive income streams by funding the Military-Industrial Complex. That involves SPENDING THE CREDIT INTO EXISTENCE by making weapons, borrowing against the expected war booty, and then creating credit for reconstruction. Only the promise of war booty has any potential to qualify as a fixed asset. The rest are disruptions that force the need for credit flows to be created, which creates money to flow into the damaged area and pay off the cronies who purport to be fixing things.

    With that view of “money” in mind, hell, we can run the “deficit” to a HUNDRED TRILLION if we want. Between HERE and where the oligarchs have the POWER to take us, has arbitrage value!!! WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY TO BE LEFT ALONE??? That is a new income stream for our Economic Rent Skimming class to exploit!

    It’s also like a basic physics problem. A cash and savings economy is like conversion of Potential Energy into Kinetic Energy to yield up Work. Cash and Savings represent Potential Energy that requires NO energy input to exist. It gets converted to Work as money flows out to accomplish something of value. Hopefully, the Work done will create a SURPLUS which makes up for necessary losses in work and puts the money back into savings i.e. Potential Energy.

    There are ONLY four ways to create surpluses.
    1. Mining and extractive industry
    2. Agriculture.
    3. Value creation via manufacturing, which combines Labor and Materials to create value greater than the sum of the first two.
    4. Public infrastructure that enables the products to get to market and supports the workers in the first three.

    Deindustrialization and compound interest removes the ability to create surplus which means energy has to be BORROWED to put money back. Without this getting too complex, the energy is NEVER sufficient to restore the original Potential Energy and thus, a continuing decline in debt-free financial energy. That situation was passed LONG AGO.

    Cutting ahead to the present, the money has no P.E. and there’s no value to extract. All that can be done is push the money around SIDEWAYS just to keep it moving. NO WORK IS BEING DONE AT ALL. NO SURPLUS is being created. Losses exist as the money gets pushed around and so energy must be constantly borrowed to keep the money moving sideways. A false form of P.E. exists as ARBITRAGE i.e. digging a hole to create the same effect as dropping a ball from a height above the ground. The hole can only go so deep. Therefore, Friction must be increased in the money movement to create useless social heat energy (agitation) to extract. Somehow, that heat and friction is commodified and sold as a good.

    The biggest creators of parasitic heat and friction are “industries” featuring lawsuits, insurance, regulatory compliance, the Marriage-Divorce Complex, economic dislocation, loansharking, gambling, non-productive frivolous consumption, student debt, our questionable “education” racket, and WAR.

    To keep pushing the money in such a high friction economic environment, ever greater amounts of energy have to be borrowed. Because our Top 1% have figured out how to package heat and friction to sell, we can run a HUNDRED TRILLION in debt as long as we keep the chaos and agitation going.

    IMO, blackmail and extortion are forces that can be securitized and then commodified. There is practically no limit to that asset class and We Teh Sheep still have untapped debt potential yet to be stripped.

    • messianicdruid August 23, 2016 at 10:42 am #

      Usury must be repudiated, again, permanently.

    • Dumbedup August 24, 2016 at 9:21 pm #

      Fascinating. One thing that occurred to me right away as I was reading this was that the explosion of lawsuits and huge verdicts began not long after the Nixon-Connally decision to abrogate Bretton Woods. Up until then, the legal profession was generally tame and dignified. The other was that saving was how you paid for large purchases and built capital for business not debt. It is probably one of the reasons we will never see a 10% Fed Funds rate again. It would squeeze the remaining life out of capitalism. Up until the 1970s my father paid cash for a new car. But with a fiat currency banks threw money at you when you walked through the door. If you were not in debt you were not living right. At about that time we saw the proliferation of credit cars and unsecured debt (MC and Visa) take the place of Amex and cash. Instead of $1 for every $10 on deposit banks realized they could go to 1/12 then 1/15. Regulators approved it or looked the other way. Now banks go 1/50 on leverage. It’s all electronic anyway.

      But how could we finance 9% GDP growth and manage 4% inflation otherwise? But that’s really the wrong question. A nation’s economy can thrive with stable prices and slow but steady growth. At least until modern economic theory said we couldn’t feed, house and clothe the population that way – until they said, “we need more billionaires.”

      Your and my debt created this wealth. In theory, we own it.

  46. Dumbedup August 22, 2016 at 7:12 pm #

    I still don’t see the scenario for an overnight collapse. It’s possible, but more likely is this slow drip decay. There will be further breakdowns in communities and more social disintegration, but it will take years to destroy the federal government’s control. As bad as the Great Depression was anarchy never supplanted law except briefly and in limited areas.

    Some areas will do better than others because of climate and resources. I would not want to live in the Southwest, the Northeast, or even the mountains of Western PA or West Virginia if the power grid goes down. Other areas will fall into chaos quickly with self-appointed chiefs and gang leaders trying exert social control. (see, Thunderdome)

    The government’s response will be interesting. Martial Law with the feds helping local governments where needed will be attempted but it will fail if the collapse is precipitous and complete. Even if it is slow it will eventually fail. Nobody will do such dirty work unless they are paid. But I do not overlook the methods that will be found to feed and house those who cooperate.

    They may be able to use the military to guard food and supply shipments but it might very well turn third worldish very quickly. Roadside bombs, ambushes and militia attacks will be widespread in some areas. One thing that would accelerate a slow decline would be a land grab in SE Asia by China. The federal government would collapse under the weight of domestic terrorism, food shortages and utility breakdowns if you added fighting wars in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and SE Asia.

    • malthuss August 22, 2016 at 10:27 pm #

      As bad as the Great Depression was anarchy never supplanted law except briefly and in limited areas.

      That land died in ’65.
      Your land is fantasy land.

      And millions died early. in the so called GD.
      From Hunger, cold, lack of medical care, suicide.

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:07 am #

        This land is your land
        This land is my land…

        woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/This_Land.htm

      • elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 10:26 am #

        “As bad as the Great Depression was anarchy never supplanted law except briefly and in limited areas. ”

        Malthuss,
        The population in the US, during the early days of the depression, was approx. 1/3 of todays. Family farming and animal keeping, even in towns, was common. My father was raised in Lodi, California, and lived in town, on approx. 1 acre and had gardens and a cow on site that produced milk for the family. People then were more resilient, had resources for subsistence survival, and were civilized…compare that with today’s population.

      • JimInFlorida August 23, 2016 at 4:25 pm #

        Dead nations have remarkable similarities to dead trees.

        A trees can die and stand for many years before it finally falls. Sometimes, it just rots away until there is just a rotted stump yet, technically, it never fell over.

        America died from parasite attack in 1965. The American Tree still stands but, is DEAD. The so-called “life” that we see are numerous fungi, cat briers, beetle, grubs, termites, and maybe an owl nest hollowed out somewhere in the middle.

        As America rotted, the branches that once held leaves, making food for the tree, fell off. No song bird nests are built there any more. A few branches may still exist but, are so rotten that no bird with options will build a nest upon it. The bark that protected the tree is almost all gone. DIVERSITY has invaded the tree.

        The dead tree’s identifying characteristics are gone, just like America today. Fools look at it and declare that the vines, fungi, and briers are equally as good as the living tree’s natural foliage.

        The song birds that once nested in it are gone but, crows will perch on any branch that holds it. You’re a racist if you like song birds over crows.

        It is also RACIST to wonder what the living American Tree looked like and the song birds who lived in its branches. By the power of doublethink, the dead tree is alive and the tree has always been that way.

        • Dumbedup August 24, 2016 at 9:24 pm #

          Jim, what happened in 1965? Vietnam?

          • JimInFlorida August 25, 2016 at 10:16 am #

            In 1965 began the explosion of New Leftism. The centerpiece was the Immigration Reform Act of 1965, with the Civil Rights tyranny as the garnishment. The resulting political shockwave begat the Counter Culture. A massive social infection with Jewish NGO’s feeding on the pus and exacerbating the problem.

            Almost in sync with the New Leftist cancer and counter culture was Vatican II. The Roman Catholic Church finally surrendered to Luciferian and Jewish encroachment and accepted the smoke of Satan, as mentioned by the false pope, Paul VI.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 12:06 pm #

            Wow, the drama! Civil rights as tyranny! Feeding on pus! Cancer! Satan! EEEEEEVIIIIIILLLLLL!

            Hold on, I’m gonna go pop some popcorn.

  47. dannyboy August 22, 2016 at 8:20 pm #

    My Review of Kunstler this Week (continued)

    Kunstler wrote:
    “The newer loser class of people who once had good jobs and now have poor prospects of ever getting them back gets swept up in the mania for their incoherent champion, Trump, who shows no sign of understanding the essential quandary of our time. The tragedy of Trumpism is that the man so poorly represents a large group of Americans with genuine woes and grievances.”

    =================================================
    please compare to these perceptive insights from last week:

    dannyboy
    August 22, 2016 at 6:14 pm #
    “At least Trump is telling us what we want to hear.” – JimInFlorida

    well, no

    He won’t be winning ANY elections.

    But there is a sliver of insight in this. I now see that there are Trump supporters. I am very interested in the number voting for Trump. This will be a good gauge of how many disenfranchised live in this country.

    • Dumbedup August 24, 2016 at 9:35 pm #

      You know, I so hoped Trump was going to be the “one.” That he might be the man that could wrench the life of this country from the jaws of predatory capitalism and the corrupting influence of big money and bought elections. For a time I thought he could do it. I could even look past his pronouncements regarding immigration and hope. But when he began insulting people who were loyal Americans and made outlandish statements about nuclear weapons it was clear he was not the “one.” Yet, I can’t see another 8 years of war, debt, job loss, and divisiveness and that is what Hillary will give us. She is the servant of the 1% and the only good thing you can say about Trump is that he is not. That isn’t enough to persuade me to vote for him, but he is nobody’s servant, messenger or patsy. He is all about Trump.

      More and more I am thinking I will vote for Gary Johnson. There are problems there too, but at least he won’t be starting a war with his mouth. He’s more likely to smoke a peace pipe than insult anyone. Maybe that’s what we need. A caretaker … someone to sit in the oval office and receive foreign dignitaries, give SOU addresses and go around the country and kiss babies.

      For the life of me I just don’t know any more …

  48. messianicdruid August 22, 2016 at 10:21 pm #

    “I explained to some folks this morning my idea of taxing illegal immigrants to pay for the wall. I learned that some people really, really want illegal immigrants punished for breaking the law. But it won’t be hard to talk Americans into letting illegal immigrants pay for border security and stay. It’s hard to hate someone who is helping you pay your bills.”

    Seems good to me.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/149346699936/making-mexico-pay-for-the-wall

    • KesaAnna August 22, 2016 at 11:09 pm #

      ” Somehow the country needs to figure out how to lower the cost of living a quality life. Finding ways to reduce housing costs is a big part of it. ”

      this reminds me of a web site I saw a few months back on the subject of building your own house out of scraps / surplus , as cheaply, efficiently, and practically as possible, and , above all, self-sufficiently.

      It turned out THE real problem is that to a very large degree, the only place you can actually do that is 100 MILES FROM THE NEAREST AMERICAN, in some part of Wyoming, Alaska, or such.

      the fact is, poor people, dirt poor people, built their own housing for thousands of years somehow.
      But now it’s a problem.

      lol.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 1:42 am #

        Also Bonner Country, Idaho. God’s country and not too far out. Choctaw Ridge? No, Ruby – where the Weaver Family found not their Zion but their Waterloo.

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:08 am #

        tinyhouseblog.com/

    • KesaAnna August 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm #

      it seems to me that the fundamental problem with illegal immigration is that it is precisely what you want , and whether you call it ” illegal ” is neither here nor there.

      Like, for example, some patriotic American could volunteer to serve as my American parents unpaid maid, nurse, and gardener , so you could deport this alien arch-criminal.

      Good thing I haven’t spent the past 15 years holding my breathe in anticipation of that happening. 🙂

  49. KesaAnna August 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm #

    Buy local / local self-sufficiency ?

    transitioning from automobiles to bicycles, and from tractors to ox carts, but without complete and total collapse , with at least a façade or veneer of this much esteemed modernity ?

    And end to strident factionalism , divisive religions and such, and their replacement by a remarkable degree of cohesion ?

    such an example already exists, not just on paper or in the abstract, but in reality.

    The rub is it is everyone’s favorite country to make jokes about, condescend to, and otherwise generally piss on ;

    North Korea.

    that you see in it only fodder for condescension says a lot about wishful thinking .

    Nah, I’m not saying North Korea is a wonderful place. On the contrary, I think it sucks. Like, sucks badly.

    But its interesting that the pink elephant in the room never gets mentioned except perhaps in the three seconds taken to dismiss it.

    • pequiste August 23, 2016 at 1:39 am #

      “Nah, I’m not saying North Korea is a wonderful place. On the contrary, I think it sucks. Like, sucks badly.”

      KesaAnna

      Whether The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea sucks or not, and that is a question only residents of the Northern Hermit Kingdom can answer; the Beloved Ultimate Leader’s father, Kim Jung Il sure knew how to throw a funky Juche party!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk

      (An all time great video mix right here folks) Kim Jung Un APPROVED!

    • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

      Golf carts are legal on some roads now – and may be part of the transition for many in the future. Or maybe we should all just be issued motorized wheel chairs and allowed to walk only on our own property.

  50. BackRowHeckler August 22, 2016 at 11:42 pm #

    Here’s a TED talk subject, new, New Urbanism:

    13 SHOT IN BRIDGEPORT

    Count ’em, 13.

    It was an ambush!

    No really, the shooters hid in the bushes and shot into a crowd of about 100 people at an outdoor party. Motive unknown, but it looks like this here gang from North Street had a beef with the gang from 1 street over. Anyway, why do you need a motive? Maybe the motive is because its fun. So far no arrests. “I dint see nuffins”

    It didn’t even make the front page of the state’s largest newspaper.

    Our cities, with a few exceptions, are in bad shape.

    brh

    • ZrCrypDiK August 23, 2016 at 12:09 am #

      My brother inherited a Marlin shotgun from his (yeah, *my*) grandfather – but he’s convinced it’s worthless (and I’m convinced it’s one of those 2-3 grand gunz)…

      • BackRowHeckler August 23, 2016 at 12:16 am #

        Probably not worth 2 – 3 grand, but worth hanging onto. Have a gunsmith look it over, and if says its ok take it out and shoot it. I have a Winchester made in 1912 that I shoot once in awhile. Like JHK says in one of his novels “A piece in the closet is often a great comfort”.

        brh

      • elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 10:33 am #

        What make and model Marlin? ..I can give you a ball park figure of its value.

  51. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    Trump postponed his speech on immigration. He is changing to now allow immigrants. He also canceled his upcoming campaign appearances in Las Vegas and in Oregon. If I was Breitbart, I would say Trump has inoperable, terminal, stage 4 cancer and he is cancelling campaign events right and left. Obviously near death, he is changing his position on immigrants to be more like mine.

    • JimInFlorida August 23, 2016 at 6:25 am #

      As I’ve said before, Trump is the very same psy-op that Obama pulled in 2008. In Trump’s case, the psy-op is flavored for Republicans.

      The ZOG Matrix operatives are taking over his campaign and Trump is beginning to carry out the same Great Betrayal that Obama did.

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:12 am #

        it’s ALL a conspiracy?

  52. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 1:16 am #

    This indicates the Dark Dynamics of a Trump administration, when Trump has his hands on OUR TAX DOLLARS.

    WASHINGTON ? After bragging for a year about how cheaply he was running his campaign, Donald Trump is spending more freely now that other people are contributing ? particularly when the beneficiary is himself.

    Trump nearly quintupled the monthly rent his presidential campaign pays for its headquarters at Trump Tower to $169,758 in July, when he was raising funds from donors, compared with March, when he was self-funding his campaign, according to a Huffington Post review of Federal Election Commission filings. The rent jumped even though he was paying fewer staff in July than he did in March.

    The Trump campaign paid Trump Tower Commercial LLC $35,458 in March ? the same amount it had been paying since last summer ? and had 197 paid employees and consultants. In July, it paid 172 employees and consultants.

    “If I was a donor, I’d want answers,” said a prominent Republican National Committee member who supports Trump, asking for anonymity to speak freely. “If they don’t have any more staff, and they’re paying five times more? That’s the kind of stuff I’d read and try to make an (attack) ad out of it.”

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:13 am #

      Trump Tower sucks.

      most NYers hate it

      • elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 10:35 am #

        Dannyboy,
        Is the Coco Pazzo still in business?

        • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 10:43 am #

          closed

          there’s nowhere to eat Italian anymore

          • elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

            “there’s nowhere to eat Italian anymore”

            What about the Olive Garden…I hear their Baloney Alfredo is great….
            (Credit to Dennis Leary)

          • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm #

            Don’t eat Italians, ok? Wasn’t it bad enough to slander them as gangsters in your Hollywood? As if Jews weren’t into organized crime too!

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:38 pm #

            Janos,

            I’ll see you at the Olive Garden, I just got a great recommendation.

            P.S. if i’m tardy just start without me. Same goes for absence.

  53. Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 1:30 am #

    The Wisdom of Sri Varg. Here is an Ozone type – what Ozone will sound like when he attains a higher turn of the spiral and puts his soul where his mouth is.

    Zone: He hates the Sky Fag as much as you do. He burned churches in his youth. His religion is of the Earth, of blood and soil, kith and kin, like unto like, crows with crows and robins with robins.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoKqJMrIDuo

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:15 am #

      and this comments on Kunstler’s blog post HOW?

      • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

        I watched “The Believer” last night about a Jewish Nazi. His name was Danny too.

        Why do Orthodox women shave their heads btw?

        • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

          Mine’s dannyBOY. It’s Irish.

          And the reason Orthodox women go to great effort to keep their head shaved, IS TO ENSURE THEY ATTRACT NO ATTENTION FROM THE LIKES OF YOU. true

          • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

            Your real name is Danny Boy? Do your friends just call you boy? Your parents must have really hated you.

            The Bible says a woman’s hair is her glory. And the Orthodox women were wigs so as to not look horrible I assume. So that defeats the purpose, does it not?

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:20 am #

            Janos you have managed to get confused on both thoughts:

            (1) Dannyboy is a name of endearment given to me by my Uncle, Fighting Joe (sometimes billed as Fighting “Irish” Joe, which he resisted insisting that everyone would already know he’s Irish because…who else would be Prizefighting). My parents loved me. I believe that you are unfamiliar with Jewish familial relations.

            (2) I already explained: “And the reason Orthodox women go to great effort to keep their head shaved, IS TO ENSURE THEY ATTRACT NO ATTENTION FROM THE LIKES OF YOU. true”

            I know that it is difficult to believe, but EVERYONE ELSE lives their lives above your depraved level, and enjoys each other.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 2:13 am #

            So why do they wear wigs? Why not just show their bald heads to repulse us? Again, they are defeating their own actions – like pressing buttons on the Sabbath and then pretending you are not doing anything.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 12:43 pm #

            A few weeks back, Janos, you had some observations about women’s wear, about which sartorial choices by women you see out in public suit you and which don’t.

            Meanwhile governments in the Middle East require women to cover up at the same time that French police are literally requiring women at beaches to remove what they’re wearing.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-swimwear-ban-france-nice-armed-police-hijab-muslim-a7206776.html

            Here’s an idea: instead of men deciding for them what they will wear, won’t wear, or whatever, why don’t they (“they” could be anyone in this case) wear what they wear, do what they want with their hair, clothes, makeup/lack thereof, and the likes of ISIS and Janos can find some other business to stick their noses into?

            https://nervana1.org/2016/08/21/the-right-not-to-wear-a-burkini/

  54. Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 1:37 am #

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/milwaukee-cedar-falls-melbourne-three-black-riots-three-explanations

    Vintage Derbyshire. He’s not even a “White Supremacist” since he is married to a Chinee and is thus a race traitor to that degree.

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:19 am #

      still try for clicks on vdare?

      what a shill

  55. tucsonspur August 23, 2016 at 5:14 am #

    Items in the news:

    Germany tells its citizens to stock up on food and water.

    Virginia restores voting rights to 13,000 felons.

    Wynn opens the 4 billion dollar Palace casino in Macao. See, things can’t really be that bad, Wynn is betting against the “dark dynamics”.

    Good news. Coulter slashes Khan.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 23, 2016 at 8:16 am #

      Virginia restores voting rights to 13,000 felons

      Is it assumed that felons will vote Hillary as a soul mate?

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:20 am #

        you got voting in your country?

  56. tucsonspur August 23, 2016 at 5:40 am #

    Her new book is, “In Trump We Trust”. “Adios America” was scary. The chapter on Carlos Slim’s bailout of the New York Times was particularly interesting.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

      Subtitled: E Pluribus Awesome!

  57. FincaInTheMountains August 23, 2016 at 8:24 am #

    The giant pyramid hidden inside a mountain

    They arrived in their thousands. Hardened by months of war with ferocious natives, near-starvation and exotic diseases, Hernan Cortez and his Spanish army marched into the great city of Cholula expecting a fight.

    But this was a sacred city. Instead of investing in weapons, its inhabitants built temples; it was said they had a holy pyramid for every day of the year. After such generosity, their gods would surely protect them.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160812-the-giant-pyramid-hidden-inside-a-mountain?ocid=ww.social.link.reddit

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 9:23 am #

      you for Cortez?

      …or against pyramids?

      • Cavepainter August 23, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

        Very peculiar (even to point of indicating societal neurosis) how has come about such widely held notion that imperialism/colonialism is uniquely “Western”, rather than clearly having been evinced across the span of the whole of history as — more truly — aspect of innate human behavior. Of course, in the narrow span of recent history’s rapid industrialization and technical advancement (arising coincidentally and in conjunction with societal developments within Western society that had never occurred in prior and co-existing societies) the sweep of Western culture’s impact can appear singular to those of narrow historical grasp or afflicted with the peculiar “neurosis”. Oh,……hi wpa-ccc.

        • Cavepainter August 23, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

          ….and, necessary to add, its as good a guess as any that had any other culture come into such prowess the global outcome might have been much worse. Conveniently overlooked (or ignored) is how often that colonization by Western powers (should I say Eurocentric and White) constituted installation of ruling order no worse — and often less brutal — on the general native population than the order it displaced.

          • Cavepainter August 23, 2016 at 2:24 pm #

            Reminds me of the Monty Python skit “What have the Romans done for Us”, available for view on YouTube.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

            Apparently all this happened before, only last time it was a race Nordic Redheads. Their remains are found all over the New World and Oceania. They built the Cities of the Indians (the Indians helped with the grunt work of course) and of course, in the end got their throats cut. Or at least the men…. A later race of Nordics, perhaps the first of our Cycle, built in Peru. In the end, they were trapped in their mountain fortresses and the men slaughtered by the Inca late comers. The Inca Nobility were almost as White as the Spanish and told them as much and how the blonde women became wives for the conquerors.

          • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:43 pm #

            Power to the People!

        • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm #

          Right On!

  58. elysianfield August 23, 2016 at 10:06 am #

    Well…
    Two items from the BBC news site;

    The German Government has suggested (mandated) that all German families will keep 10 days food and water on hand for any unseen emergency.

    The German Government is considering a return to the draft…conscription.

    As Lyndon Johnson might opine…”…them good German Boys probably know something we don’t….”

    • malthuss August 23, 2016 at 10:11 am #

      Blame Merkel and Soros for Germanys misery and violence.

  59. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 12:18 pm #

    Virginia restores voting rights to 13,000 felons

    “Is it assumed that felons will vote Hillary as a soul mate?” –finca

    No, most of the felons are white, average age 48.

    That is Trump’s demographic… unless Hillary has increased her older white male support significantly.

    The vote was taken away in 1902 and in the Virginia senate it was stated the reason was to “take political power from the darkies”

    These felons have done their time, paid their debt to society and are now integrated into their communities, working, going to church, shopping at grocery stores, paying taxes, etc.

    Why shouldn’t they have the right to vote?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

      Because they’re scum and can’t be trusted to vote well. But you’re right: why should anyone on welfare be trusted to vote? They shouldn’t. The difference is that they could possibly remedy this. For a felon to be allow to vote would have to be by an executive pardon. A rarity in other word.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 24, 2016 at 10:19 am #

        In a system where everyone can be trusted to vote “well” (i.e. in a manner Janos approves of), voting is beside the point. For example, Iran has that kind of system.

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:22 am #

          Iran uses the “Janos System”

  60. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

    Trump needs more money going into his pockets from campaign donations. You Trump supporters need to send Trump more money.

    Trump nearly quintupled the monthly rent his presidential campaign pays for its headquarters at Trump Tower to $169,758 in July, when he was raising funds from donors, compared with March, when he was self-funding his campaign.

    Your donations to the Trump campaign will go directly into Trump’s pockets.

    Can’t wait to hear how Trump has softened on immigration. Seems he now realizes immigrants are not the enemy. Legalize them now!

  61. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 1:02 pm #

    “The ZOG Matrix operatives are taking over his campaign and Trump is beginning to carry out the same Great Betrayal that Obama did.” –JiminFlorida

    Yes, Trump hired Bannon and Conway to run his campaign… those are Jewish names, right? The ZOG Matrix strikes again!

    • JimInFlorida August 23, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

      Your own account of Trump’s policy pivoting reveals Zionist pressure from the outside of his organization.

      Running the election campaign is one thing. To do an about face on immigration and Muslim repatriation smells like some off-the-record threat by the REAL POWER that runs this dump.

      “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
      – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States

      Jews are the ONLY GROUP in ZOG Amerika that one must NEVER speak about except in brief and deferential terms. The insatiable gullibility of Jewdeo-Xtian Churches protects them via political action and votes.

      • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:46 pm #

        Jimbo,

        You must be real popular around Florida. I retract my repeated suggestions that you leave Florida. Stay put. Let’s keep that 1,000miles between us.

        Enjoy!

  62. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

    “I learned that some people really, really want illegal immigrants punished for breaking the law.”

    “Seems good to me.” –messianicdruid [on punishing immigrants]

    That is not very Christian of them, messianicdruid.

    Matthew 25:31-46 – “…I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”

    Luke 3:11 – “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none…”

    Romans 12:13 – “Mark of the true Christian: “…Extend hospitality to strangers…”

    • wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

      “When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the stranger. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you” (Leviticus 19:33)

      • messianicdruid August 23, 2016 at 6:38 pm #

        To be as a citizen is to be law abiding. Citizens who are not law abiding come under the law. Do I have to explain that?

        • messianicdruid August 23, 2016 at 6:53 pm #

          Strangers that lived among the Israelites were to be welcomed because they served the Creator God and kept the commandments (probably more sincerely than the Israelites). The Israelites were oppressed in Egypt and should have learned from that experience.

          Eleven hundred bucks and then a chance at lawful citizenship is vastly preferable to deportation and in my opinion not oppresive.

          • Cavepainter August 23, 2016 at 10:32 pm #

            The Moses Mystery, The Egyption Origin of the Jewish People, and 101 Myths of the Bible, two books by Gary Greenberg. Gary’s publications reflect the preponderantly dismissive opinion held by scholars about the actuality of the Bible’s account regards origin of the Jews.

          • messianicdruid August 23, 2016 at 11:44 pm #

            Have one of your scholars look at this:

            http://www.theotherbiblecode.com

            preferably a math scholar.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:23 am #

            Yous Talmudic Scholars?

            Impressive!

          • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 10:34 am #

            “A fool decides a matter before he has heard it.”

            http://www.whatabeginning.com/

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:16 am #

            @messianicdruid

            are you replying to your own comment about “Strangers that lived among the Israelites were to be welcomed because they served the Creator God and kept the commandments (probably more sincerely than the Israelites). The Israelites were oppressed in Egypt and should have learned from that experience…”

            or, to my Comment?

            If it is the latter, then I point out to you that I am the person who is studying the Comments of Doomers and Disgruntlers, even though I don’t see the point of dooming or disgruntling. I am the person who is trying to understand a Phenomenon that is foreign to me.

            You, on the other hand are in an echo chamber that provides validation to your obscure ideas.

          • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 1:43 pm #

            If the shoe fits, as they say. If you had read the link you would not have come up with “Talmudic” anything.

            “Obscure ideas” that are responsible for all the blessings of Western civilization and whose ignoring bring all it’s curses according to Deuteronomy 28.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 8:10 pm #

            say what you got to say. if you don’t have anything to say, don’t link someone else to say something else for you.

            and proposing that your ‘Obscure ideas’ [that] are responsible for all the blessings of Western civilization and whose ignoring bring all it’s curses according to Deuteronomy 28… is laughable

          • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 11:04 pm #

            There is a limit to what can be said here and still be welcome. Trading barbs with you ( actually anyone ) is not my purpose. Some who read here are actually interested in solutions. I point to solutions that, for the most part, set on people’s coffee tables gathering dust. Most people who do read the scriptures don’t spend nearly enough time with them to understand them, and others never will. They are “not easily understood” according to the Apostle Peter.

            Laugh at what you will, while you can.

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 9:43 pm #

            “There is a limit to what can be said here and still be welcome. Trading barbs with you ( actually anyone ) is not my purpose. ..
            Laugh at what you will” – messianicdruid

            ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…

  63. Florida Power August 23, 2016 at 2:56 pm #

    Driving yesterday and tuned into tail end of NPR interview with an anthropology professor who’s written a book on the electrical grid and renewables (Gretchen Bakke : The Grid). Some unfortunate technical misstatements owing to her lack of specialization but perhaps she can get us thinking about electrical power in a different way.

    Net Energy for Load is a metric used by the power companies to describe their performance and future projections. Unfortunately for the renewables true-believers in the CFN barnyard, at least in Florida renewables are a peripheral source of NEL and projected to be such for the next ten years. This includes municipal waste-to-energy and landfill gas, as well as solar PV (which is not-so-great in the Sunshine State; North Carolina measures more solar watts per square meter on average; Florida has too much cloud cover, and wind resources are way off shore which means transmission losses). Duke is more optimistic than others regarding projected solar PV and FPL/NextEra is the largest wind developer in North America; so there is not rank fossil-resignation down here, but the fact is as coal disappears in Florida, natural gas is taking its place over the next power station lifetime-cycle. This is simple economic fact and in no way denigrates renewables but you can’t build hydropower in the desert and you can’t build solar where the photons are few. And good luck powering New York City in any event.

    I think our host is correct in his assessment of a brick wall approaching either environmentally, financially, thermodynamically, or etc. unless we start now reorganizing how we do things and recalibrating expectations. Perhaps this is where the above-cited anthropologist might be worth reading. But let’s get serious – we have already painted ourselves into a corner based on plentiful fossil energy sources and as a civilization we have lost plasticity. There is in fact a solution which is perhaps not a solution in the absence of a totalitarian dictatorial state: nuclear energy.

    Fission is ghastly BUT it is the only present technology IF you want the comfort and industry of ubiquitous and massive electrical power with “zero” CO2 emissions. This is a conclusion I reach reluctantly. The present forms of regulation and finance are unequal to the task. The present fission engineering and design are worth revision, incorporating the French experience with reprocessing, whether on-site or (states be damned!) at a location of the totalitarian’s choosing.

    Certainly within the lifetimes of the planned natural gas-fired power stations renewables will gain proportion of net energy for load at an ever-increasing rate. Perhaps lifestyle adaptations that significantly diminish load will be part of the calculus as well. But if you don’t care How, I want it Now! there is only one existing solution large enough, albeit with a hefty political price tag.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

      Yes, even an amoeba moves by throwing one part of itself forward. The commitment to absolute equality is simply Death in Life. America must be the pseudopod of Humanity! A White America – as if there’s any other kind.

  64. FincaInTheMountains August 23, 2016 at 3:17 pm #

    Even if we consider the decision of the International Paralympics Committee and the Swiss Sports Arbitration Court in Lausanne on the refusal to admit to the Paralympics of 2016 in Rio Russian team as legal, this fact reveals to world the moral degradation of the West and its carefully hidden iniquity, and anti-human essence.

    We must understand that it is not about sport, but politics. Sport – it’s one of the reasons for permanent, “peaceful” means of war with Russia, its “civilizational” destruction. Like Hitler exterminated Jews, the modern West is committed to the same in regard to Russians, even wider – the Slavs. Just under a hybrid war they destroy us “humanely” – placing on display around the world. This showed some nauseating, even inhuman sadism and Russophobian lust.

    The Western hypocrisy does not cease to surprise. It is akin to the Nazis calling their “death camps” some “labor education camps,” and that at face value accepted by checking them hypocrites of the International Red Cross.

    The decision concerning the Russian Paralympians is a collective punishment of the innocent for the mythical crime committed by someone unknown.

    So the vision of the international sports officials on the justice and righteous judgment is comparable to shooting hostages or innocent civilians for someone’s assault on the primacy of the Strong.

    Generally, the decision of the International Paralympic Committee shows the American footprint, because the incident is strongly reminiscent of American lynching.

    Unable to resist the “economically weak” Russia, which consistently insists on equality in international life, enraged West goes to loathsome violation of its own declared ideas of humanism.

  65. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 3:21 pm #

    Florida Power, I think you are onto something. I would just change the fuel to thorium. China is currently using conventional nuclear power, and is going to built thorium reactors as well. Over the next two decades China hopes to build the world’s largest nuclear power industry.

    Plans include as many as 30 new conventional nuclear plants (in addition to the 34 reactors operating today) as well as a variety of next-generation reactors, including thorium molten-salt reactors, high-temperature gas-cooled reactors (which, like molten-salt reactors, are both highly efficient and inherently safe), and sodium-cooled fast reactors (which can consume spent fuel from conventional reactors to make electricity).

    Chinese planners want not only to dramatically expand the country’s domestic nuclear capacity but also to become the world’s leading supplier of nuclear reactors and components, a prospect that many Western observers find alarming.

    CLINTON: says she is “agnostic” on nuclear and favors “advanced nuclear,” which requires “expand[ing] successful innovation initiatives, like ARPA-e, and cut those that fail to deliver results.”

    JILL STEIN: [Energy] alternatives should be renewable clean energy, not nuclear. Nuclear energy is dirty, dangerous and expensive, and should be precluded on all of those counts.”

    GARY JOHNSON: “Q: Do you favor nuclear power? A: Yes.”

    TRUMP: Trump specified that he favored the development of natural gas over nuclear energy: “we’re the Saudi Arabia times 100 of natural gas, but we don’t use it. If Ivanka wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.”

    • Florida Power August 23, 2016 at 3:58 pm #

      A few weeks ago Nutty Neutrino was touting thorium but made the mistake of insulting the host.

      Yeah, thorium might be the true “alternative” energy but the way things are organized now it would be well toward the end-of-life of the presently-planned natural gas power stations before any would come on line. I propose that may be too late.

      It will take the moral equivalent of war to push the engineering and condemn the transmission rights-of-way for very large nuclear. Advances in power electronics enabling high-voltage DC transmission (read less losses, increased grid synchronization) are already in place. Years ago the Idaho National Lab outlined a design concept whereby “flipping a switch” as daily load decreased at night (we are diurnal creatures) transferred to powering very large electrolysis to create H2 for fuel cells.

      It is interesting that rather than small and local the real future may be ever-more centralized and very large. This may occur within a simultaneous context of distributed elements.

      • thenuttyneutron August 23, 2016 at 11:12 pm #

        “A few weeks ago Nutty Neutrino was touting thorium but made the mistake of insulting the host.”

        -Florida Power

        I went back to the post you are referring to.

        “While I do think Kunstler has the general idea of resource limits correct, like most non-engineers, he does not have the ability to work the problem and consider alternate solutions. This big problem that he writes about is really a group of problems that feed off each other in a weird synergy of destruction.”

        I did not insult the host in the previous statements. I merely pointed out that Jim defined the problem and only offers a simple solution to a problem . Both Jim and I both see the same challenges ahead for our hominid species. The only differences between Jim and me is that I see many solutions, the consequences of those solutions, and so far I have suggested other better choices that we can still build with our limited & dwindling resources.

        Coming up with an answer/solution to a problem and then excluding all other solutions or ideas that can solve the problem better that yours is a very bad idea. It blinds you to alternate success paths into the future.

        • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 8:36 am #

          Perhaps my memory fails me but I recall the host replying to your comment in a not positive fashion that was not directly related to the substance of your post. I intended to comment then.

          As for Thorium I am aware of the technological history of fission-as-fuel for prime movers, and it seems like a much better idea because it is not weapons-oriented. So we agree.

          I do not see how you can overcome nimbyism which involves sacrifice for some and not others (“it’s not fair!”) without a quasi-totalitarian approach. Siting transmission corridors and stations is difficult enough today. If you want to electrify the planet there is only one zero emissions option available, and time is limited.

          I am assuming a preponderance of very large nuclear rather than small modular. Also I am not excluding the present renewable mix except as point-of-use or coupling with existing distribution which minimizes losses. Landfill gas can of course fuel simple-cycle peakers.

          The French power their wonderful trains with fission. We could do the same.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:26 am #

            ” I recall the host replying to your comment in a not positive fashion that was not directly related to the substance of your post.”

            THIS IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IN THE CFN COMMENTS.

            Many read Kunstler’s essays as a prerequisite for Commenting?

          • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 10:52 am #

            Let me lay it out for you, Dan:

            Neutron: “like most non-engineers, he does not have the ability to work the problem and consider alternate solutions.”

            JHK: Fuck You.

            Substance of neutron’s post was a link to a Thorium site. The insult, though not intended, was real: “he does not have the ability…”

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:23 am #

            “Let me lay it out for you,” Florida Power:

            Kunstler’s Reply: “JHK: Fuck You.” and the subsequent Pile-on did NOTHING to encourage the discussion of Different Viewpoints.

            Neutron left. So there is no longer any Discussion. That, I believe is the modus operandi of CFN Comments.

            So you’re all right in your echo-chamber (i originally used the phrase ‘circle-jerk’, for those strong enough to confront their biases).

          • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

            In fact there has been some discussion of thorium in relation to the larger context of Inevitable Decline and Fall a’ la our host, and Mr Neutron is back explaining himself.

            Even WPA has weighed in positively on the concept of nuclear power as a means of keeping the system going, which is counter to our host’s beliefs.

            Seems like a lively enough discussion, but whatever.

            I am always amused by the occasional outbursts by commenters complaining about the commenters, demanding the host do something about certain commenters, etc etc. The obvious question is if the CFN comment section is so annoying to you, why are you here?

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

            “The obvious question is if the CFN comment section is so annoying to you, why are you here?” – Florida Power

            I am here to study and better understand this fringe. I am certainly not here to join.

  66. Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 3:24 pm #

    http://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/aide-caught-connecting-clinton-foundation-to-state-department-trump-calls-for-investigation/48814/6

    Trump will investigate these rogues when he attains office. Do not doubt him. There is no Fascism without Faith.

    If Sun were to doubt, it would immediately go out – William Blake.

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

      “If Ivanka wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.”

      Source: wpa_ccc
      August 23, 2016 at 3:21 pm

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 11:13 am #

        “If Ivanka wasn’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.”

        Source: wpa_ccc
        August 23, 2016 at 3:21 pm

        “THIS IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IN THE CFN COMMENTS.

        Many read Kunstler’s essays as a prerequisite for Commenting?”

        Many?

        Kvetcher!

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:27 am #

          Is Yiddish your first language?

          or is it that you come to CFN for the constant reassurance of your disgruntled?

          because i still see evidence of ”replying to [your] comment in a not positive fashion that was not directly related to the substance of your post.”

  67. Elrond Hubbard August 23, 2016 at 3:30 pm #

    U.S. partiers wash up in Canada, blown across St. Clair River

    “An estimated 1,500 Americans illegally and unexpectedly washed up in Canada late Sunday after strong winds blew them across the St. Clair River near Sarnia, Ont.

    “They were participating in the annual Port Huron Float Down, during which people simply float down the river on rafts, inner tubes and other flotation devices from Port Huron, Mich.

    “High winds pushed them to a number of points along the Canadian shore. They had to be rescued by Sarnia police, the OPP, the Canadian Coast Guard, Canada Border Service Agency and employees from a nearby chemical company Lanxess Canada.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/floatdown-sarnia-americans-wash-ashore-1.3730792

    So, when 1,500 American boat people washed up on Canadian shores looking for our help, how did we handle it? Did we accept those huddled masses yearning to breathe free? Heck no! We packed ’em up and sent them back where they came from.

    Bunch of foreign undesirables, the lot of them. Right, Janos?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 23, 2016 at 7:31 pm #

      Of course. A weed is any plant in a place it doesn’t belong. Americans belong in America. Once they were repatriated, they become decent law abiding people again from your point of view. You done good, son.

      The media and its lapdogs – people like you – always want to deny Whites their own point of view demanding that we always look at things universally or from the point of view of the weeds. Fuck that. We have the right to Be and you shall not take it away from us. And once we clear that up, all else follows.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:28 am #

        “Fuck that.” – Janos’ Credo

        …persuasive arguments?

        not

        • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 10:56 am #

          Janos: “We have the right to Be…”

          That’s the argument.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:28 am #

            Janos wants “the right to Be…” a Hater and Incite Violence.

            not nice

          • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 12:41 pm #

            I think what Janos is saying is that every other tribe gets to have a cheerleader section except whites of European extraction. Yeah, we have heard all the arguments about the normative culture and how within that norm it is not possible to apprehend the concept of White Privilege and inherent racism and so forth and so on. Maybe that was true 50-60 years ago, but it is wearing thin — no, make that worn out.

          • Elrond Hubbard August 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm #

            Florida Power: “Maybe that was true 50-60 years ago, but it is wearing thin — no, make that worn out.”

            And yet there are lots and lots of people commenting on this blog who make it clear that the critique of what’s called whiteness, and the narrative of racial difference it takes for granted, still needs to be addressed as urgently as ever.

            That’s in addition to those (are names really necessary?) who openly affirm and declare allegiance to the narrative of racial difference, and are prepared to inflict enormous human costs in its name.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm #

        Haha! Hilarious as always, Janos. Being serious, though, the good people of Port Huron are stepping up to pay for the wa — I mean, pay for their ‘rescue and repatriation’:

        ‘How she going, eh?’ crowdfunds cash to pay Canada back for rescue of more than 1,000 U.S. ‘floaters’

        “Just 19 hours after Joe Wiedenbeck set up an online gofundme campaign Tuesday to help Sarnia cover its costs for rescuing more than 1,000 stranded Port Huron Float Down refugees, 94 people had contributed $1,367 (US.)

        “Wiedenbeck, a married father and pipefitter living in Marysville, Mich., said he decided to set up the online campaign in the wake of Sunday’s rescue and the attention it generated.

        “‘I kind of felt like Canada shouldn’t have to foot the bill,’ he said.”

        http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/how-she-going-eh-crowdfunds-cash-to-pay-canada-back-for-rescue-of-more-than-1000-u-s-floaters

        My hat’s off to Mr. Weidenbeck and his contributors. It seems like when you treat your neighbours like neighbours, they reciprocate.

        On the other hand, when you denounce them before the entire world as drug-dealing rapists, the response you get is less constructive (albeit highly appropriate, IMNSHO).

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 1:11 pm #

      I can see your point Florida Power.

      I don’t hear Janos saying that.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 2:58 pm #

        It’s too obvious to keep repeating. It’s like saying the sky is blue. The onus is on the person who keep saying the sky isn’t blue. Obviously Whites are ruthlessly persecuted and that it is increasing. If you deny this, it’s like saying the sky isn’t blue.

        How do you feel about George Soros btw?

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

          Janos, you must know that the sky is blue, GREY, WHITE and all shades in between. It’s MULTICULTURAL, like the world it surrounds.

          Also, I don’t know George Soros.

          • JimInFlorida August 26, 2016 at 2:21 pm #

            Does that include brown smog??? Does SMOG belong in our atmosphere?

            White America is being polluted by human smog and that engines of that smog are Jewish hot rods!

            Pope Paul VI commented that the smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary. Nah, it was Jewish hot rods doing donuts outside the Vatican.

  68. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 3:34 pm #

    “A White America – as if there’s any other kind.” –Janos

    Native Americans, Africans and Europeans belong to the same race: the human race.

    Most people who identify as African American have some European ancestors, as revealed by genetic studies. Similarly, many people who identify as European American have some African or Native American ancestors. That’s a fact, Janos. Then there are some, like Trump, who want to bang their own daughter.

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

      If Ivaka gives birth by President Trump, does she become First Lady?

    • JimInFlorida August 23, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

      wpa, I expect you to deliver higher quality New Leftist bullshit than what you just presented. You started off well enough with your miscegenated race-blind fantasies…

      It’s beneath you to deliver a cheap shot like Trump wanting to bang his daughter. That means nothing compared to your typical comments, featuring the usual night terrors that Trump will throw a monkey wrench into 50+ years of Jewish social engineering.

      What will your colleagues in the Women’s Studies Dept. think about you? In private, they might snicker but, they would also say you’re not representing your Department very well on CFN.

  69. dweebus August 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm #

    It seems it is once again a bit of an argument of fast collapse vs. slow collapse. I suppose it could go either way, or be a hybrid. Is a debt crisis, banking failures, derivatives explosion, currency collapse (via deflation, hyperinflation, or one followed by the other likely. It appears so. And the longer the rackets are propped up, the more likely it becomes. The taller the giant as they say…

    Having said that, people (whether at federal, state or local govt) will do everything possible to staunch the bleeding. After Pearl Harbor, it only took Congress 4 days to ban the domestic production of cars and turn Detroit to making war material.

    Expect a similar massive response to arrest the collapse.

    Of course it will be arrested at a much lower standard of living. This gives credence to the Brown Tech response posited by Holmgren and the stair step Long Descent of JMG.

    Now having said that, a debt/currency crisis will feel like The End. In fact, it will be The End for a great many people. Especially suburbia. Transportation is the key to understanding this. No affordable gas for car, no job, no $, no gas. And most cars are owned by the banksters anyway.

    Public transit is a disaster, especially in the burbs, but also small cities and villages. Grocery stores, Dr. offcs, workplaces are miles and miles from home.

    Recently, both my cars died. I have been borrowing rides, biking, and hoofing it for 2 weeks. At the end of the month, the car issue should be remedied, but…it drives home the point about community. It is not only what you can produce for neighbors, it is also, who do you know who would help you, for no money?

    I am unconvinced the exp!osion will be 2016. The ability of TPTB to juggle chickens and chainsaws is staggering. My guess, 2030, plus or minus a decade.

    At least my millennial daughter is studying to be a mortician. Job security man! Undertakers will always be in demand.

    • wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

      “My guess, 2030, plus or minus a decade.”

      That sounds about right. Just around the corner actually.

      “Undertakers will always be in demand.”

      Yes, but that’s because people are dying to see them.

      • dweebus August 23, 2016 at 5:33 pm #

        Yes! That line never gets old. 😀

    • dannyboy August 23, 2016 at 4:51 pm #

      “Undertakers will always be in demand.” – dweebus

      …very conventional and limited thinking.

      Underyour scenario, who’s gonna’ pay all that for getting rid of a body?

      • dweebus August 23, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

        Oh, I imagine the family and neighbors, and church community and such. One can’t really leave Grandma to moulder in the tool shed, can they? Perhaps the methods of payment will change over time (precious metals, in kind barter, etc.) . Maybe even burial practices will change. Green burials, now the rage in eco-circles, were the norm prior to the civil war. But someone will always have to remove the bodies…

  70. Florida Power August 23, 2016 at 5:25 pm #

    Jim Grant is always well-spoken and the following snippet of interview from Finanz ind Wirtschaft (h/t Zero Hedge) is no exception; interviewer in brackets:

    “The stock market is at record highs and the bond market is acting as if this were the Great Depression. Meanwhile, the Swiss National Bank is buying a great deal of American equity.
    {Indeed, according to the latest SEC filings the SNB’s portfolio of US stocks has grown to more than $60 billion.}
    Yes, they own a lot of everything. Let us consider how they get the money for that: They create Swiss francs from the thin alpine air where the Swiss money grows. Then they buy Euros and translate them into Dollars. So far nobody’s raised a sweat. All this is done with a tab of a computer key. And then the SNB calls its friendly broker – I guess UBS – and buys the ears off of the US stock exchange. All of it with money that didn’t exist. That too, is something a little bit new.
    {Other central banks, too, have become big buyers in the global securities markets. Basically, it all started with the QE-programs of the Federal Reserve.}
    It is a truism that central banks do this. They’ve done this of course for generations. But there is something especially vivid about the Swiss National Bank’s purchases of billions of Dollars of American equity. These are actual profit making, substantial corporations in the S&P 500. So the SNB is piling up big positions in them with money that really comes from nothing. That’s a little bit of an existential head scratcher, isn’t?”

    Earlier Grant pointed out that negative interest rates have never been observed in 5000 years of, well, observing interest rates.

    Anything wrong with this picture? Anticipating your response WPA — I thought not.

    • malthuss August 23, 2016 at 6:26 pm #

      Gas is cheap in Florida.
      At least for now.

    • JimInFlorida August 23, 2016 at 7:12 pm #

      Bonds are tied hard and fast to an actual asset i.e. performing debt which depends on income from the physical economy. The money used to buy a bond is LOANED, which means the buyer still owns the money. The bond contract gives a buyer the right to demand a ROI according to the terms of the bond. In the event of bankruptcy, the bonds are paid first.

      Stocks are a fractional representation of a company’s value and ability to generate profits. Both can be inflated by the power of the Plunge Protection Team. The buyer surrenders all control over the money to purchase stocks, derivatives, and other financial games. If the stock tanks, you lose.

      Bonds act like it’s the Great Depression because, for the domestic labor market and physical economy that it depends on, it is the GD.

    • messianicdruid August 23, 2016 at 7:18 pm #

      “It is a truism that central banks do this. They’ve done this of course for generations.”

      I have only been telling people about it since the mid-eighties. Generations? – I wonder. But my efforts only earned me derogatory buzzwords supplied by those who did not want such things known, and thoughts of changing my name to Cassandra.

  71. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 8:00 pm #

    “Basically, it all started with the QE-programs of the Federal Reserve.
    It is a truism that central banks do this. They’ve done this of course for generations.” –FloridaPower

    So, it’s the fault of the Fed? I don’t think so. The Fed does not control the money supply; they control base money, which is a small fraction of the broader money supply. In our fractional reserve system, the banks control the other 90% or so of the money supply. And the banks have not been lending. This is why the money supply has not grown rapidly in response to years now of QE.

  72. wpa_ccc August 23, 2016 at 8:03 pm #

    “I have only been telling people about it since the mid-eighties.” –messianicdruid

    Have you been telling people that the Fed “prints money.” Have you been telling people that will result in hyperinflation? Wrong on both counts.

    • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 12:00 am #

      They do what they do “All of it with money that didn’t exist.”. Money for nothing, and checks for free.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:33 am #

        I always liked the band’s name: “Dire Straits”

        Kinda’ says it all

        • San Jose August 24, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

          One of my “Dire Straits” songs is “Heavy Fuel.”

          Jen in San Jose

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

            Jen

            hi

            do you think i would enjoy a house in Santa Cruz?

  73. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 12:04 am #

    “To be as a citizen is to be law abiding. Citizens who are not law abiding come under the law. Do I have to explain that?” –messianicdruid

    Yes, you have to explain why you are citing man’s laws, paying homage to man’s laws, hiding behind man’s laws, instead of being faithful to God’s laws which do not distinguish between stranger and citizen but regard all as children of God.

    • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 9:14 am #

      “explain why you are citing man’s laws, paying homage to man’s laws, hiding behind man’s laws, instead of being faithful to God’s laws…”

      God: All men are created equal. Stranger, citizen, tribesman, etc. are political constructs — accidents of history. All human beings receive the life-force in the same way: the old sperm-ovum thing. It’s just the logic of bio-chemistry, reducible to number, mirrored everywhere in the structure of the universe. Natural Law, as it were.

      (If we continue this bio-logic argument we will arrive at the survival instinct, translatable to the right of self-defense. Would you deny the rose its thorn, the bear its claw?)

      God: Congress shall make no law… (i.e., silly man-made stuff)

      WPA — thank you for validating the Bill of Rights.

    • chet_the_farmer August 24, 2016 at 10:20 am #

      “explain why you are citing man’s laws, paying homage to man’s laws, hiding behind man’s laws, instead of being faithful to God’s laws…”

      That is easy. See, the whole God thing YOU spout is based on this really old book that has been translated hundreds of times.

      In the Real World, there are Adults that get put in jail for violating the law of men.

      There are also a lot of people (that have messed up the u.s. beyond repair) that violate your God’s law as written in the old, translated book Every Day and NOTHING happens to them.

      So, in the Real World even you have to follow the law of men.

      The law is that these illegal aliens are felons.
      The Real World in the u.s. has crime and diseases that are a direct result of these repeat felon invaders which have entered this country illegally.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:35 am #

        “this really old book”

        “written in the old, translated book”

        Being kinda’ hard on a really Good book

        • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 2:54 pm #

          Have you read the New Testament, Danny? It’s amazing how few Jews have. We remain a mystery to the Jews, one they typically fill with prejudice and vitriol.

          In Israel, the plus sign + isn’t used because it looks like a cross.

          A crack in the podium GWB once used was seen as a cross by demented Jews.

          There’s great video of an old Jewish woman freaked out by wrapping paper – she was seeing crosses in it!

          Fear breeds hatred and hatred breeds fear.

          • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

            The ONE book FORBIDDEN to be discussed, let alone criticized, is the TALMUD.

            In fine Legalist tradition, the evil of the TALMUD is hidden within layers of verbosity and bloated regulations over trivial matters. The book features eye-popping revelations regarding matters omitted from the Bible at the Council of Nicea, slanders against Jesus Christ, vulgar slurs against Mother Mary, and justification for Jews to lie, cheat, and steal from anybody outside of their tribe.

            Forget the Qur’an. The TALMUD is both the power and the unbearable rebuke to Jews. If we want to see ZOG come out of hiding and reveal its frothing hissing Satanic Id, then Trump should get Brother Nathaniel to help him put together some quotes and talking points from the Talmud, to flash before Jewish neocons who try to attack him. Uttering those quotes will make them hiss and retreat just as Dracula recoils from seeing a crucifix!

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

            that’s a mouthful

            feel better?

          • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 10:17 am #

            Re: JimInFlorida’s foaming about the Talmud: When I was growing up, I was completely innocent of this kind of thing. The first time I encountered unreconstructed anti-Semitism in the real world, I was genuinely surprised because I thought it was obsolete. Turns out, though, there are reserve populations of every kind of illness.

            To put it another way, in the words of Elvis Costello: I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.

    • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 11:54 am #

      I will not follow your misdirection, having done none of these things. Creating money out of nothing and then ruling the world system with it according to the whims of mattoids must be brought to the awareness of all.

      No man has the authority to MAKE law. We are only given authority to enforce the Creator God’s laws, and make rules that conform to higher law.

      “This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original.”

      When His Law is “made of no effect” and replaced with commandments and traditions of men, we make ourselves usurpers and rebels and followers of false gods (rulemakers), and reap the consequences.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:50 pm #

        Please let Janos know that the Jews believe their covenant with God makes them responsible for protecting His Law.

        • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 11:17 pm #

          Okay, but I would expect him to quote Jesus warning them that they set aside God’s Law to keep their traditions. One more reason they hated Him.

          “Blessed is he whosoever is not offended in me.”

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 7:09 am #

            “One more reason they hated Him.’ – messianicdruid

            YOU AND JANOS DO HAVE A LOT IN COMMON

            just love that hate

            how does that feel?

          • messianicdruid August 25, 2016 at 3:02 pm #

            We all have a lot in common.

            I don’t see how you can equate “they hated him” to “just love that hate”.

            Unless you are using that word as Jesus used it – to love less – you are just making stuff up. I come to all people asking them to be reconciled to the Creator God offering terms of peace. We are all sinners. Some folks hate to hear that and are offended that anyone, even Christ Himself, would hold THEM accountable.

            Now is a time of “if we would judge ourselves we would not be judged”. If we fail in this, what should be expected?

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 9:48 pm #

            *YOU* just love to hate.

            You, messianicdruid just love to hate

            Janos just loves to hate.

            is that a haiku?

          • messianicdruid August 26, 2016 at 8:58 am #

            “is that a haiku?”

            No, horse pucky.

  74. tucsonspur August 24, 2016 at 3:21 am #

    From the Washington Post:

    “Felons are getting help to register by the left leaning New Virginia Majority advocacy group, labor unions, and the NAACP.

    Because voters in Virginia do not register a party affiliation, it’s difficult to know which party will gain from the registration drive. But most observers expect that former felons will identify with the Democratic agenda…Estimates vary, but experts say a quarter of the newly eligible voters are African American, who tend to vote for Democrats”.

    A quarter of 200,000 is 50,000. The 2000 election turned on about 500 votes in Florida, if I remember correctly.

    Many of these felons have committed the most serious of crimes; murder, rape, child rape, and kidnapping. The Democrats would eat their own shit to get elected, but it seems that the blacks and other felons are doing it for them.

    • wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 10:00 am #

      “Many of these felons have committed the most serious of crimes; murder, rape, child rape, and kidnapping.” –tucsonspur

      Even if that is true, they have paid their debt to society. They have been punished and done their time. They are now back in society working in the community, shopping at stores, going to church, paying taxes. Why shouldn’t they have the right to vote?

      BTW, their average age is 48 years old and older males are Trump’s demographic.

      • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 5:32 pm #

        “Even if that is true, they have paid their debt to society. They have been punished and done their time.”

        Man’s so-called justice is based on punishment, Creator God’s is based on restoration. Sin ( 1 John 3:4 ) is reckoned as a debt, not to society, but to the Life giver Law giver. Being locked up for years with the unrepentant creates hardened criminals ( intent on revenge ) and keeps the so called justice system ( and their stock owners ) supplied with clients.

        If the lawful order has been restored, then yes, their debt is paid. If they cannot restore what was taken, their life is forfeit, to be restored at the resurrection of the just and the unjust. If this were believed and practiced by churchianity the chaos would end.

        Judgement must begin at the House of God.

  75. Frankiti August 24, 2016 at 5:39 am #

    “The tragedy of Trumpism is that the man so poorly represents a large group of Americans with genuine woes and grievances.”

    I’d argue that he rather perfectly represents a large group of ‘muricans. ‘Muricans so far removed from a rigged and elite choked bureaucratic and centrally controlled system that they’re reduced to name-calling and thrashing and wailing against the paper card walls of the tinpot “republic”. A citizenry reduced to riots and shootings just to made themselves heard.

    “And the larger tragedy of our country these days is that events did not prompt better leaders to step forward.”

    What kind of sane, intelligent, and non-megalomaniacal person would volunteer to be subjected to the presidential electoral process and the eternal mark of cain that would stain them and their family ever-after?

    The system is broken. We expect a leader, one person, to right a terminally crippled and sinking ship. We expect a system that rewards salesman to produce an honest genius. Again, with these flawed expectations we ultimately receive a “leader” we deserve.

    The burden is essentially hopeful optimism and wishful thinking. Itcan’thappenhere-narcissism We expect what reality is showing does not exist. Except your fate. States come and go… some quicker, some slower.

    • jhon August 24, 2016 at 6:57 am #

      ‘If you are going to tell the truth, you’d better have one foot in the stirrup!’

      oh well,,

    • pequiste August 24, 2016 at 9:45 am #

      Felicitations Frankiti.

      Your alembic is working wonderfully this morning.

      A big honorable mention to “jhon” for that gem apothegm.

    • beantownbill. August 24, 2016 at 10:14 am #

      The public ought to be educated about psychopathy and megalomania. They are so prevalent tthat they must be a built-in part of the human character. It seems natural that politics would attract those persons on the further edge of the psychopathy spectrum. If we accepted this fact of life, then we could better deal with our expectations in the political arena, and maybe even learn how to minimize the bad effects of such a mental imbalance.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:53 am #

        so it’s an education problem

        • beantownbill. August 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

          In part, yes. I was responding to a comment made by someone (Frankiti) who had a negative opinion of the public’s unrealistic political expectations. I was suggesting why that is so and one way to alleviate this issue. Aren’t you the one who complains about the same old comments?

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:13 pm #

            I do appreciate your explanation and more so your reproach.

            I apologize for having been critical of your sound contribution.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 2:43 pm #

            Apparently these can be seen in a brain scan. Future, scientific societies will avail themselves of this tool, along with eugenics, both positive and negative.

            Jews, while condemning all eugenics for us, are well on their way to eliminating certain diseases thru negative eugenics.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:51 pm #

            J

            Do you see Jewish doctors?

          • messianicdruid August 26, 2016 at 9:07 am #

            “so it’s an education problem”

            Education – the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty. Mark Twain

            Goobermint edumacation

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:03 am #

      “The system is broken.” – Frankiti

      Nice pivot right there.

      That is the sentence where you lost me. The whole argument at CFN is that “The system is broken” and here comes decline, decent, and failure.

      I’m not buying this extrapolation (given that I perceive Kunstler’s work as Hyperbole, with all due respect).

      We are NOT Zambia.

      Why would you want to have us all go into the Shitter, for the Phoenix to arise?

      Why not Restore, rather than let ourselves go?

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 11:24 am #

        “Why not Restore, rather than let ourselves go”

        Dannyboy,
        Excellent Idea!!! Please give us a few historical examples?

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:38 am #

          NYC sucked from the 1960s – 1990. That was a long stretch.

          I remember as a kid watching as families fled my neighborhood.

          I remember hearing Howard Cosell announcing a Yankees Game in 1977 looking up from his sportscasters’ booth and saying on the radio: “The Bronx is Burning!”

          I remember moving into my current neighborhood and running from the subway station to avoid the street violence. I witnessed stabbings.

          I remember furnishing my apartment with items left on the sidewalk by people in such a rush to move, they drove the moving van away before it was packed.

          Now, NYC is The Greatest City in the world. It is World-Class, and your opening bid for an apartment in that same neighborhood is $10 Million.

          So I guess Gerald Ford was wrong when he said Drop Dead to NYC.

          • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

            Dannyboy,
            A fine response, and I would admit that, with less ambition, restoration is viable as a goal. I was thinking, however, in the sense of nations and cultures…empires.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 1:49 pm #

            nyc really is a nation

            …and an empire

          • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 2:35 pm #

            And Trump and Mayor Rudy helped turn the tide. You owe them a debt of gratitude.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:30 pm #

            politicians have very little say in, or effect on nyc.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

      But you would fight tooth and nail to keep everyone voting, right? Even though obviously rights are only for those who are qualified. Do blind people have the right to drive? Deaf people the right to play music for a living? C’mon, you’re just repeating truisms. Try harder. Accept reality and then philosophize or argue policy on THAT basis.

      How far gone are you, btw? Do you want to expand the “right” to vote to felons?

      • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 5:06 pm #

        Be careful Janos or Comrade Boris Badenov will report you for expressing crimethink!

        The Ministry of Love’s favorite commenter, Agit-Prop Agent wpa_ccc, would say,

        “Fight tooth and nail so everybody can vote.
        Rights are for everybody in the U.S, regardless of where they came from.

        Blind people have the right to drive.
        Deaf people can play music for a living and you had better applaud after the performance or be hauled in for a Room 101 Counseling Session.”

        [Janos in Room 101]

        ‘What race are you, Janos?’

        ‘White.’

        ‘And if the party says that you are not White but a non-color Human — are you still White?’

        ‘Yes.’

        The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Janos’ body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O’Brien watched him, his White skin momentarily turned pale gray. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only slightly eased.

        ‘What race are you Janos?’

        ‘White! White! What else can I say? White!’

        The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at it. The heavy, stern face of O’Brien filled his vision. Janos’s arm laid before his eyes like a blurry white rope and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably White.

        ‘What race are you, Winston?’

        ‘White! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? White! White!’

        “What race are you, Janos?’

        ‘Black! Muslim! Jewish!’

        ‘No, Janos, that is no use. You are lying. You still think you are White. Now, what race are you, please?’

        ‘Human! Mexican! Unperson! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!’

        Abruptly he was sitting up with O’Brien’s arm round his shoulders. Janos had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O’Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O’Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O’Brien who would save him from it.

        ‘You are a slow learner, Janos,’ said O’Brien gently.

        ‘How can I help it?’ he blubbered. ‘How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? I am a White Man.’

        ‘Not any longer, Janos. There are no White people. But, sometimes we allow people to be White when we need to condemn somebody for crimethink. Sometimes they are unpersons when they need to disappear from the mass consciousness. You must try harder Janos. It is not easy to become sane.”

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:42 pm #

          ” Janos had perhaps lost consciousness ”

          the grain of truth among the chaff

          • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

            And wouldn’t you love to work in Abe Cohen’s workshop?

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:44 pm #

            Yes

            “Abraham Cohen (March 23, 1933 – March 8, 2001) was an American football guard who played one season with the Boston Patriots of the American Football League (AFL). He was drafted by the New York Giants in the 26th round of the 1955 NFL Draft. He played college football at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.[1] Cohen was also a member of the Hamilton Tiger-Cats of the Canadian Football League (CFL).”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Cohen

        • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:20 pm #

          When is the Beast going to appear, any idea? They say his people will have a machine to know if you’ve really accepted him or not. You have to earn the Mark of the Beast! But the Bible says the martyrs who don’t accept will be beheaded (Muslim influence?) That’s not so bad – too quick to feel pain. Apparently the head can even talk for a few seconds. That’ll be trippy. I have to find the chapter and verse where it says behead. Maybe Messianic knows.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:45 pm #

            CFN a bible group?

        • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 11:05 am #

          Gosh, what a psychodrama. An impartial social contract that accords equal status under law to everyone is the same thing as torture.

          You are aware, I hope, that George Orwell was a socialist, and understood democratic socialism as something quite distinct from totalitarianism? He wrote this in 1946:

          “The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.” (Emphasis added.)

          http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw

          1937 was the year Orwell took a bullet in the neck fighting to defend the Spanish Republican government against Franco. He then had to flee Spain just ahead of the Communist secret police, because he fought in an independent Marxist militia that didn’t take orders from Moscow.

          Everyone likes to make Orwell mean what they prefer him to mean. Let’s all pay attention to what he actually fought for while he lived.

      • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 10:35 am #

        Janos: “Even though obviously rights are only for those who are qualified.”

        Obviously my foot. Far from being obvious, this is a direct repudiation of the founding principles of Janos’ home country: That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, that among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, et cetera.

        This deserves repeating: Janos is as anti-American as it gets. America was founded on fundamental human rights, but Janos considers the words of Declaration of Independence paraphrased above to be an empty rhetorical flourish and has said so clearly and distinctly. He would overthrow those principles if he could.

  76. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 9:54 am #

    Solar Cost Hits World’s New Low, Half the Price of Coal

    Chile awarded a contract to sell solar power for $29.10 per megawatt hour (MWh), the lowest ever across the planet.

    This surpasses the record set in May of a $29.90 per MWh bid in Dubai for an 800 megawatt (MW) solar project.

    “This is the lowest price ever seen, for any renewable technology,” an analyst told Bloomberg. The low price is possible due to the rapid fall in cost of solar technology and the 12 MW solar plant’s location in the ideal conditions of Chile’s Atacama Desert.

    • Florida Power August 24, 2016 at 11:19 am #

      “The low price is possible due to the rapid fall in cost of solar technology and the 12 MW solar plant’s location in the ideal conditions of Chile’s Atacama Desert.”

      Price in dollars is an interesting concept, as always. Nevertheless, given the general acceptance of the metric, yes indeed, the panels are certainly declining in price as are the inverters and associated power electronics.

      In the desert 12MW may very well be 12MW, too.

      When not in the desert, the numbers work out differently. I can cite down here in hickville a solar developer whose 100 acres of panels promised 23MW, delivered in fact in the real world 21MW (peak,observed values), and whose 100 acres delivers to the buyer 6MW what is called firm power. I am told that ratio is typical, FWIW.

      Your mileage may vary.

      Nothing against solar PV, but let’s stay real. And let’s not forget the fossil fuels embedded in the extractive, manufacturing, and shipping-to-site processes.

      • malthuss August 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

        Nothing against solar PV, but let’s stay real. And let’s not forget the fossil fuels embedded in the extraction, manufacturing, and shipping-to-site processes.

        Who has solar on their home? Rich people. And wealth is a function of oil.

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:33 pm #

          correction

          rich people have turrets on their roof

          rich people display copper roofs, or at lease cedar shingles

          rich people do not care about the cost of electricity

          • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 3:48 pm #

            “rich people display copper roofs, or at lease cedar shingles”

            Slate

  77. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 10:02 am #

    Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump By 12 Points In New Poll

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton leads Republican rival Donald Trump by 12 percentage points among likely voters, her strongest showing this month, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.

    The Aug. 18-22 poll showed that 45 percent of voters supported Clinton, while 33 percent backedTrump ahead of the Nov. 8 election.

  78. ozone August 24, 2016 at 10:18 am #

    …Trying to subsume Frankiti’s trenchant (and *germane*) post under a pile of Official Newspeak Propaganda does not blunt his point… it merely enhances it by contrast. (They’ll never learn… fortunately.) See, before the printed page and the ‘forever’ of the internet, lies disappeared with the liar. Now? The stain doth remain.

    Brings to mind the old saw: “If you can’t blind ’em with brilliance; baffle ’em with bullshit.”

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 10:43 am #

      “’The tragedy of Trumpism is that the man so poorly represents a large group of Americans with genuine woes and grievances.’

      I’d argue that he rather perfectly represents a large group of ‘muricans.

      – Frankiti

      For the third time in as many days:

      dannyboy
      August 22, 2016 at 6:14 pm #
      “At least Trump is telling us what we want to hear.” – JimInFlorida

      well, no

      He won’t be winning ANY elections.

      But there is a sliver of insight in this. I now see that there are Trump supporters. I am very interested in the number voting for Trump. This will be a good gauge of how many disenfranchised live in this country.

    • Frankiti August 24, 2016 at 11:16 am #

      @ozone

      They, the shared propaganda avatars, come like a two pronged hoe, futilely pulling at the roots while spreading a fresh layer of burying manure.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 11:41 am #

        which “pile of Official Newspeak Propaganda” do yous prefer:

        vDare

        daily stormer

        LIV

  79. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 11:46 am #

    Turkey entered Syria. On which side?

    Turkey has launched a ground operation in Syria: involved are MRLs, tanks, F-16 fighters, Special Forces. Turkey destroyed 12 ISIS targets in the Syrian city Dzharablusa. The official goal is to liberate Syria from the north from ISIS and (attention!) to help “moderate opposition”. In addition, according to Reuters, a Turkish military source said among the objectives – “supporting the anti-terrorist coalition led by the United States.”

    At the same time, Ankara has declared that Russia was warned in advance of the start of the operation. And the fact that for the first time since the installation in Syria of Russian S-400s, Turkish military aircraft flew into Syria, means that Moscow was, at least, not against it.

    However, the place of operation, Dzharblusa, is located near the Kurdish territory, which has US Special Forces – in fact building a united front between Turkey and the United States. That’s English “human rights activists” insist that the Turkish military are clearing base for the Free Syrian Army, as Bloomberg pointed out that the operation coincided with the arrival in Turkey of Joe Biden.

    However, it is still difficult to say for sure that Turkey joined the US-led coalition in Syria. Considering that yesterday the deputy head of the Iranian Foreign Ministry visited Ankara, and a lot has been said about the convergence of positions on Syria and Assad, it is not excluded that Turkey and Iran opened a third front in Syria with the permission of Russia and the United States to stake out a place as a regional player.

    It is clear that Turkey will try to play their own game, but in Syria it would not be allowed without certain conditions. Russia and the United States need additional ground forces – Russia to finish off ISIS, US – to save “moderate terrorists”.

    • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 3:42 pm #

      No doubt Putin finally decided that Syria wasn’t worth risking WW3 over. Ukraine…yes, that is worth fighting WW3 over. But not Syria.

      If any country has a stake in cleaning out Sunni and Wahhabi maniacs, it is Iran. Syria will have to be IRAN’S Frat Initiation into the Club of Regional Powers.

      Russia has done about as much as their vested interests can take them. Turkey and Iran are opposites and cannot be allies in this for long. This has to be Iran’s problem now.

      • SpeedyBB August 26, 2016 at 8:16 pm #

        As a [mostly-lurking] adherent of CFN I would like to offer my appreciation for this insight, which, although I try to follow the devious twists and turns of the Syrian tragedy, had escaped me.

        I would suggest that those on the ground and in the neighborhood both have a greater stake in seeing threats go POOF and are more immediately attuned to power and strategic shifts. Uncle is a distant player, like a busybody relative who keeps phoning in to see how the board game is going (annoying everyone, but it’s Uncle after all, and one does not want to get written out of The Will), but whose ‘advice’ and ‘guidance’ are both woefully late and strategically erroneous.

        ‘Then bomb ’em some more’ goes Uncle. The game goes on.

        I’m sitting 11 time zones away, in Indonesia, which has since its Proclamation of Independence cleverly managed to steer clear of such entanglements and destruction (if you ignore Sukarno’s rash adventure in Borneo, where his green recruits got chewed to a pulp by the Gurkhas defending newly-independent Malaysia). I would suggest the region, including China, has mostly managed to avoid getting caught up in one another’s political dynamics, while dealing with varied forms of internal opposition. The various Uncles are listened to politely and then ignored, as one’s own interest not unnaturally comes first.

  80. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

    New York Times finally confirms what we suspected all along: Hillary Clinton is a Giant Flying Lizard

    Although she has gone to extraordinary lengths to distract and deceive American voters, the truth is finally coming out: Hillary Clinton has an 11th toe.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/24/opinion/hillary-health-shocker.html

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 1:53 pm #

      Our first 11-toe President.

      The NYT ALSO wrote:

      Upshot: Today’s Forecast: An 88 Percent Chance for Hillary Clinton – NYTimes.com

  81. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 12:06 pm #

    “The system is broken. We expect a leader, one person, to right a terminally crippled and sinking ship.” –Frankiti

    Yes, we do. That is why the vote was overwhelming for Obama in 2008. The ship was sinking in 2007-2008 after eight years of Bush. We were losing 700,000 jobs a month.

    Then we got a leader in Obama who has turned the ship around and we have now had 76 consecutive months of PRIVATE SECTOR job growth. Rational leadership works when combined with intelligent, compassionate policy wonksmanship. I won’t bore you with all the other economic metrics which indicate the ship has indeed turned around. Suffice it to say every year, year after year, JHK was predicting a DOW of 4,000, a definitive economic collapse, which has not happened.

    Your phrase “terminally crippled and sinking” does not describe our ship in any truthful manner.

  82. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

    Current relevant stability of US economy is a function of the ability of US Government using the remaining resource of Federal Reserve System to print money backed by foreign Nation dollar-denominated reserves; literally stealing other Nation’s savings to prop up US Federal deficit and deficit of foreign trade.

    That resource is at its final breath and Putin and Chinese could end it here and now, at the expense of losing their own remaining dollar-denominated reserves and risking cornering up a nuclear-armed US with the history of using nuclear arsenal against civilian targets even in a lesser difficult situation.

    On the other hand, neither Russia nor Chinese could afford expanding their own resources in helping US to wage war against themselves.

    So, it’s a rather delicate balance, sort of Risk/Reward type of calculation and the way it will be eventually resolved will depend on purely political balance.

    • wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

      “US Government using the remaining resource of Federal Reserve System to print money…” –finca

      The Fed does not own a printing press. The Fed does not print money.

      • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

        The U.S. Treasury prints the bills. Congress authorizes the Treasury to create debt by authorizing new Treasury securities. Those securities also represent the power of the Federal Government to seize or tax real assets to back them up. But, neither the Treasury nor the Congress can convert them into currency. They have to be “sold” to a 3rd party which recognizes that paper as collateral and makes a book entry that it received X trillions in assets. It also accepts the equivalent quantity of paper bills to reflect those assets.

        The Fed puts its seal on the bills and THEN it BECOMES “money.”

        I’ve already explained how our money works, even when Congress has NOTHING of real value to present. As long as the money can be forced to MOVE, even when no work is done or value created, then a synthetic demand can be claimed and the money has “value.” Racket “A” can extort money via contract fine print from Person “B” and charge enough to enable Scam “C” to skim off his share.

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:57 pm #

          you two doin’ stand-up?

          Money, is mostly non-Currency. Currency is so 19th Century.

          The Fed carries out Open Market Operations to create money. It mandates Reserve Requirements to create money.

          Look up these terms as well as Primary Dealers.

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 1:56 pm #

      Russian Propoganda.

      This is the masturbatory fantasy yous commies have repeated to your serfs since the cold war:

      “That resource is at its final breath and Putin and Chinese could end it here and now”

      sure

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

        Dannyboy,
        It has been said that the Russians play Chess while we play Checkers…or in your case, liars poker…four aces!

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

          The Russians have lost every hand they’ve played with us. So they take to bullshitting.

    • FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

      Of course, you may prefer a more scientifically funded statements, like “printing money out of thin air” or “financial wizardry of the FED”.

  83. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 2:05 pm #

    In order to confuse you even more, I’ll start with the fact that will make a lasting, but completely false impression on you. So remember the thoughts that’ll come to your head, and think to the contrary:

    The most influential intellectual center of the West is not Rome or Bilderberg Clubs, and especially not applied Stratfor and Rand. In these clubs, elitist just play Glass Bead Game, as well as being guinea pigs in experiments to study the elite reaction to these or other ideas.

    And with Western strategy for the long-term deals the Lindisfarne Association, created by Laurence Rockefeller and the president of the association from 1997 to 2012, i.e. in the critical years when this strategy, developed in the early 20th century for the next 300 years into the future, had to change as a result of activity of Hillary Clinton, was Arthur Zajonc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne_Association

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Zajonc

    And the Schrödinger’s cat from the previous anecdote, secretly told me that although Arthur Zajonc has always been good with cats and did not subject them to horrible experiments, when they were alive and dead at the same time, but the poor animals feared him even more than such sadists as Weinberg and Salam. He even put his ears in terror at the recollection of how he was once stroked that physicist anthroposophist, who moderated the speech of Dalai Lama at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    And I’m just wondering, they named their association due to the fact that on the island of Lindisfarne was the monastery of St. Cuthbert, or in honor of Vikings, who ravaged that monastery?

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

      Professor Dr Dr FincaInTheMountains:

      You and I share a strong interest in Unification Theories, judging from your Comment regarding Schrödinger’s cat. Our mutual regard for Weinberg and Salam’s contribution to the unification of the weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles offers a platform for joint efforts.

      I have developed a Grand Unification Theory that unifies matter with spirit. I hope to share some thoughts with you as collaborator.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

      The secret is so simple but I’m too busy to develop it and also not gifted in this area. Vast amounts of ambient energy exist in the atmosphere. That’s the answer. Tesla realized it as a little boy while stroking his cat, seeing balls of static electricity coming off the kitty. You can perform a similar experiment if you have one.

      http://racingnelliebly.com/weirdscience/how-did-nikola-teslas-cat-change-your-life/

      Don’t think so? Look at the Northern Lights. Think that a bit of energy is up there?

      Anglo-Saxon/Jewish science is at a dead end. German science was destroyed. Only Slavic science can save us now.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

        pitting the Slavs against the Jews?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:48 pm #

          Once we get the Judeo-Masons, Liberals, Minorities, Gays – the whole Grievance Alliance along with their Grey Alien allies off our backs, there will be an extraordinary explosion of creativity. We will explore the Solar System, mine the asteroids, live on Mars, etc. The Sky is not the limit and no Sky Fag will deny us this our Destiny.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 8:16 pm #

            “The secret is so simple but I’m too busy to develop it and also not gifted in this area.”

            – Janos Skorenzy 3 hours ago

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 3:03 am #

            “”The secret is so simple but I’m too busy to develop it and also not gifted in this area.””

            _dannyboy 4 hours ago

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 7:13 am #

            Janos,

            This Comment is a sign that you need to get help. Attributing your thoughts to others is a very serious mental condition.

            Please get the help you need.

  84. elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

    A question for those of scientific bent in the readership;

    Issues in Climate change. Climate is ultimately driven by the Sun, the rotation of the Earth, bodies of water and topography. Wind drives the climate, whether it be the Jet Stream, or ground level breeze. Changes in the Wind can produce rain, or draught, depending on the ambient moisture in the air, direction of the wind, speed and duration. There are, of course. other factors, but the mentioned are macrocosms of weather, in general.

    The mountains around Josephine County Oregon were denuded of old and secondary forests beginning at the turn of the Century, and continuing until about 1970. In the early 70’s the climate of Josephine County began to change…much less/no rain in the summer months, less rain in the winter. The Climate of the county now mirrors Redding California, with summer temp’s regularly in triple digits…I often thought this was a direct result of topographic change…forests removed, wind patterns changed…bare hills, updrafts generated from increasing heat, etc.

    Wind farms. Billions of joules of energy removed from ambient wind…not one word from anyone regarding potential climatological issues from this process. There must be less wind energy downrange from these farms, and I believe no one has studied the short or long range issues regarding down-wind climate. No need to reassert CO2 emission claims, this is a stand-alone issue.

    Any comments from the readership?

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:26 pm #

      The Water Cycle and Photosynthesis explain your entire dilemma.

      I would take the time to explain, however I am involved in a joint venture with Dr Finc to settle this Grand Unification matter (‘matter’, get it?) just now.

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm #

        “The Water Cycle and Photosynthesis explain your entire dilemma”

        SUPER…ficial. You can, I expect, do better.

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:33 pm #

          no time

          Grand Unification awaits!

    • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 3:05 pm #

      NASA-designed 3-blade windmills are extremely inefficient and prone to breaking down. The amount of wind energy dissipated by them is insignificant. NASA science is certainly NOT infallible.

      BTW, there ARE wind energy machines which use the lifting power of airfoils and are superior to the sail-action of NASA windmill blades. But, the inferior design was financed by TPTB to discredit the entire paradigm of alternative energy. Yes, Germany and many E.U. countries foolishly bought thousands of NASA-designed windmills and they are a failure.

      One of the things discovered with wind energy is that is does NOT scale up! The bigger the windmill, the LESS efficient it becomes! For a given area, it is better to have many small and fast-turning windmills than one big slow turning one.

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

        Jim,
        Is the energy developed from the turbine free? Are we now violating the laws of thermodynamics? You suggest that billions of joules of energy removed from the wind produces no significant (measurable or observable) consequences? Why?

        • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

          You have left the Western Paradigm. Congrats. The Emin Cult believed we suffered because our endless use of electricity drained the atmosphere of electricity we needed for our subtle well being.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:59 pm #

            Eminem?

          • SpeedyBB August 26, 2016 at 10:09 pm #

            And what’s double-neat is that there is no way of proving them wrong.

            (I wondered why I haven’t been sleeping so well lately. Maybe I should try an electric blanket.)

        • JimInFlorida August 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

          At the narrow instant that wind energy is converted to electrical energy, it is free at that instant. What is not free is all the energy spent in getting those worthless NASA windmills into place and hooked up!

          As far as energy being removed from the wind, multiply those billions of joules lost by 0.02 – 0.03. That is the real loss from nature’s wind energy. Whatever was dissipated is easily replaced by solar energy heating in the atmosphere.

          The almighty EROEI of windmills is the big problem. The amount of oil energy wasted in the materials, labor, and construction of these NASA-designed mega-windmills is the REAL scandal. That energy is NOT recovered in the life of those particular windmills.

          Outside of oil, COAL is the only self-extracting energy source. In other words, oil energy is refined and a small amount sent back to power the oil pumps which pull it out of the ground. Coal is even MORE EFFICIENT in that regard! The extracted coal requires relatively little processing before it is sent back out to the steam shovels and other mining machines which dig out the coal.

          Solar and wind COULD produce surpluses from which to make new solar and wind panels. BUT, the initial energy must be done with oil energy while it’s available to do it. Plus, an energy storage system must be built and charged up to even out the irregular production of alternative energy systems.

          • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 6:59 pm #

            Jim,
            Thank you for that explanation and the rule of thumb multiplier. I would suggest, however, that the energy dissipated provides for a net loss…the energy heating the atmosphere would have been there regardless, for a net gain, without the conversion. You sound conversant in the field of physics…how was the multiplier obtained? The net loss of (.03)joules represents a massive efficiency of 3300%, to balance the thermodynamic equation…minus friction, humidity concerns, and the myriad of losses in the mechanical apparatus, as well as heat loss in the power generation. I am not dogging you on this, I would really like to know…Oh, and In college I barely escaped with a “C” in Physics 101…not my field.

          • JimInFlorida August 25, 2016 at 6:43 am #

            elysian,
            Also consider that any alleged energy loss is only for a small area relative to the total area that you might be thinking.

            The windmills only extract energy from wind at roughly ground level to 500′ above the ground. That leaves PLENTY of undisturbed wind above and around the wind farm!

            Remember, the NASA-designed 3-blade wind turbine is 3% efficient at best. Which means it captures VERY LITTLE wind energy. TPTB do not want efficient wind turbines; they want all that alternative energy discredited!

            So rest easy. Any energy loss to the wind itself is negligible.

      • messianicdruid August 24, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

        Right on JiminFlorida!

        http://www.jmccsci.com [ left column, third of the way down ]

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

      It’s almost like the trees call down the rain, eh? And once deforestation starts, it’s a cycle that feeds on itself.

      You think the windmills denude the wind of its “energy” or orgone? Interesting. Just point empty pipes at the sky like they did at the Orgone Institute in Maine. That will “seed” the clouds and bring down the rains.

      Philosophy seeks a black cat in a dark room. Theology find the cat. Mysticism strokes the cat. And from the energy generated (ask Danny about the sparks or souls), a world is created. Surely there is enough energy here for all of us?

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:34 pm #

        Infinite Energy

        • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 7:03 pm #

          “Infinite Energy”

          (air jerk)

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:54 pm #

            elysianfield,

            You baffled me here. Pls explain.

            I was just finding common ground with Janos, among our many differences. He is trying to glimpse the Infinite, an Experience with which I am well acquainted.

            You will note that I had previously found common ground with FincaInTheMountains, with whom I had previously had differences. It turns out we share an interest in Grand Unification. Here again, I have profound experience.

            My concluding step was to bring together The Infinite with Grand Unification. Spirit with Mind, as promised.

          • elysianfield August 25, 2016 at 10:08 am #

            Dannyboy,

            Why discuss infinite energy as a potential panacea if the difficulty in accessing it is far beyond our current ability? An “Air Jerk” is a physical expression of disbelief by the listener. Examples;

            Nuclear energy will be so cheap, that it will not need to be metered…(air jerk)

            The check is in the mail…(air jerk)

            The Mercedes is paid for…(air jerk)

            ” bring together The Infinite with Grand Unification. Spirit with Mind, as promised”…(air jerk with a flourish)

            Danny, an expression of incredulity does not necessarily equate to hostility…just another way to express …”ahhh, bullshit” amongst friends….

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 11:50 am #

            I was Replying to: “Philosophy seeks a black cat in a dark room. Theology find the cat. Mysticism strokes the cat. And from the energy generated (ask Danny about the sparks or souls), a world is created.”

            But from the Cold’s barbaric hostility, I am reluctant to offer it. I usually like to share. Even generous by nature.

      • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 7:01 pm #

        “Philosophy seeks a black cat in a dark room. Theology find the cat. Mysticism strokes the cat”

        Nice

  85. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

    “I have developed a Grand Unification Theory that unifies matter with spirit. I hope to share some thoughts with you as collaborator.”

    Did you have to torture the hell out of the Schrödinger’s cat so it had to escape the safety of Copenhagen interpretation?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9S_af-fFLM

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 2:35 pm #

      the cat was dead during the torture

      and the cat was alive

      • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:52 pm #

        Like Aslan/Christ.

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:35 pm #

          Christ had the Ultimate Message. It’s his followers who didn’t listen well.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

            He condemned the Synagogue of Satan. So must you if you would follow him. Don’t try to appropriate Him like you have so much else. The new wine will split your wine skins.

            Yes, we haven’t followed very well though. Can’t deny that.

          • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:56 pm #

            I have a beautiful cat named Suki. Pure-bred Raggamuffin.

          • elysianfield August 25, 2016 at 10:35 am #

            Dannyboy,
            Sarah Silverman comment;

            “I was on the Subway, and was approached by a woman who said ‘Have you heard the good news’? Jesus Christ can absolve your sins” I told the woman that my people were Jewish, and she responded…well, maybe they will find Christ”? I responded, “Well that’s the bad news…we did find him….”

            Self-deprecating humor.

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 11:52 am #

            Sarah Silverman kicked ass at the Democratic National Convention.

            She got real Real!

    • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

      Finc,

      The Copenhagen interpretation;
      In layman’s terms, what you can measure no longer exists.

      Western Scientific principle now revolves on “shut up and publish”…the new paradigm that replaced the empirical method.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

        measurement theory posits that the observation changes the observed.

        I unify observer, observed, and observation

  86. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 3:03 pm #

    “Any comments from the readership?” == elysianfield

    It would be a little hard to make any comments under the current active Western scientific principle of Shut up and calculate!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation

  87. elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 3:34 pm #

    Why Hitler had “issues” with the International Bankers
    (Jews by his calculation)

    “diese Schweine aß mein Mittagessen !”. I think that was a direct quote. How will our Corn-Pone Hitler respond to similar outrages, if elected?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

      Ever hear of the Rothschilds? Jews control banking in the Western World. Fact, not theory much less fantasy.

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:06 pm #

      mistaken!

      pigs are so not-Jewish

  88. Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

    Would you kill Aslan and then dissect him for “knowledge” Such knowledge is cursed, the result of violence and leading to violence. Why not gain knowledge of Aslan from Aslan? This is living knowledge that leads to the Life that Abides in Life, yea the Life that Abides in Life.

  89. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

    CLINTON FOUNDATION GETS HIGHEST “A” RATING

    Efficiency equal to Doctors Without Borders, Salvation Army, the American Red Cross

    ASHLEIGH BANFIELD (HOST): In the philanthropic world the Clinton Foundation ranks about as high as can you get for a charity. GuideStar gave it a platinum rating, and CharityWatch gave it an “A.” Daniel Borochoff is the president of CharityWatch and he joins me live now from Chicago. Daniel, thanks for being with us. So, tell me how the foundation ranks compared to other nonprofits and why they get an “A.”

    DANIEL BOROCHOFF: The Clinton Foundation is an excellent charity. They are able to get 88 percent of their spending to bona fide program services and their fundraising efficiency is really low. It only costs them $2 to raise $100. They’re up there with other “A” charities such as Doctors Without Borders, Salvation Army, the American Red Cross. On the other hand, CharityWatch of course has “F” rated charities such as Feed the Children that’s only able to get about 42 percent of their cash spending to bona fide program services.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

      Slaves praising their Masters. It means nothing.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:57 pm #

        have you received praise Janos? That would cure a lot.

  90. FincaInTheMountains August 24, 2016 at 4:31 pm #

    The President of the Lindisfarne society is a famous anthroposophist and successor of Goethe. In the early 20th century, anthroposophists stood behind Sauniere and history of Rennes-le-Château, Tharros cards, etc. etc. Moreover, the opposed the Theosophists of Madame Blavatsky, who bears share of responsibility for the outbreak of the First World War, but after World War II, they agreed on the grounds of the love of art and helped Theosophists to legalize NSDAP Bormann money.

    Before Merkel, they were a main intellectual force of the European Union multiculturalism theory and complete renunciation of the Christian past.

    Here is your Lindisfarne society in a nutshell.

  91. BackRowHeckler August 24, 2016 at 6:25 pm #

    Have any of you CFNers ever needed quick cash, I mean needed cash tonite, right now? Well, that’s the position a gang of ‘Youths’ found themselves in about 9:30 last nite in Waterbury, CT. Here’s how it goes down, and pay attention for further reference. First you find an abandoned house in a nearby neighborhood. Then you call a Chinese restaurant and place a large order, directing delivery to the abandoned address. You lay in wait. When the deliver driver pulls up you drag him from the car, take his wallet, cellphone and watch, then beat him nearly to death. But he’s a die hard, still alive. Meanwhile, as for his wife in the passenger seat, you shoot her thru the throat killing her instantly. You take her pocket book, an unexpected bonus! On top of all that good fortune these urban entrepeneurs have a pile of free Chinese food to eat. Not believing their good fortune they fail to notice the delivery driver is not dead, in fact has contacted police, who come and arrest everybody, ending the party. 6 ‘Youts’ are charged with murder and a whole bunch of other things.

    That’s how its done folks (in ‘de Hood!)

    So far nothing heard from BLM, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. The narrative it seems isn’t quite right.

    brh

    • elysianfield August 24, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

      It was the fault of the Chinese Restaurant…the Youths ordered “No MSG”…their outrage was understandable…their actions, however a bit over the top…rules were broken…apologies are in order.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm #

        See how many problem foreign food causes?

        • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 8:00 pm #

          again we agree! it’s become more often than not.

          My gripe is with ethnic food prepared by a different ethnicity. In NYC the Chinese have taken to cooking Mexican food. They feel that it requires less preparation; not all that slicing and dicing, and sells for about the same. It’s just not authentic.

          Is that what you were saying?

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 12:16 am #

            No, but I agree that’s terrible. If we must suffer Chinese, at least let them offer what they uniquely have. Skills and knowledge can cross borders without massive immigration. But somehow, Chinese cuisine is always said to die out when done by others.

            Btw, I have no problem with what Burroughs called “inter-zones where cultures meet. That used to happen along the border and in port cities. But you folks want to turn our whole Country into a vast unending 24/7 Oriental bazaar. And now it’s so confused that we’re not even getting real goods.

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 7:16 am #

            “Burroughs”

            You livin’ his ‘lifestyle’?

            explains a lot

    • malthuss August 24, 2016 at 9:40 pm #

      Happens regularly.

      YOU KNOW THAT.

      Go to ‘SBPDL.com’ regularly. Meanwhiel, In Florida [check Drudge now] an old White man was eaten [yes, eaten] by a blacks dogs. The black with the funny name had at least one prior.

  92. BackRowHeckler August 24, 2016 at 6:37 pm #

    Danny Boy

    Have you ever visited Sagamore, TR homestead out in Oyster Bay?

    That’s one place I’d like to see.

    In his time apparently is was surrounded by open land an Oyster Bay was a little village. I doubt if its like that now, 96 years after TRs death.

    brh

    • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 7:08 pm #

      BRH

      I encourage you to visit.

      I watched a TV show and found it interesting, but not my thing.

      In fact, the weather is so great now that you might want to visit soon.

      Enjoy it. You deserve to.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 24, 2016 at 7:30 pm #

      Visit the Newport, RI, Synagogue first and report back. It was the Center of much of the Atlantic Slave trade in the North.

      • dannyboy August 24, 2016 at 8:01 pm #

        Janos,

        You planning a tour of Jewish sites?

        You’d make a fascinating Tour Guide!

        • jhon August 24, 2016 at 9:18 pm #

          Quote from Rabbi Rabinovitch in Budapest in 1952: “Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out our interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark people.”

          • malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:17 am #

            Jewish hatred of Trump is all over the airways
            Billionaires— like — Mark Cuban (Name changed f/Chaberinsky)
            Jeffrey Goldberg (Atlantic Magazine)
            Stuart Rothenberg (Washington Post)
            Charles Krauthammer (Fox News)
            Jennifer Rubin (Washington Post)
            Bill Kristol (The Weekly Standard)
            Jessica Ehrlich (DNC Operative)
            Bernie Sanders (Communist)
            Julie Roginsky (Fox News)
            Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC Chair)
            Lisa Bloom (Feminist Lawyer)
            Robert Zimmerman (DNC Operative)
            Simon Rosenberg (DNC Operative)
            Julian Epstein (DNC Operative)
            Maggie Haberman (New York Times)
            Brad Whitman (DNC Operative)
            Barbara Streisand (Hollywood)
            Bret Stephens (Wall St Journal)
            Ben Cardon (US Senator)

            Rep Steve Israel (Congressman)
            Rachel Maddow (MSNBC / Lesbian Activist
            Bethany Mandel (Washington Post)
            David Goodfriend (DNC Operative)
            Al Frankin (US Senator)
            Richard Goodstein (DNC Operative)
            Ezra Klein (Washington Post)
            Erica Berenstein (New York Times)
            Fred Kaplan (Slate Magazine)
            Jessica “Motormouth” Tarlov) Political Op
            David Axelrod (DNC Political Operative)
            Dana Bash (CNN – Real name Schwartz)
            Brad Gerstman (DNC Operative)
            Matthew Littman (Speech Writer For Biden)
            David Plouffe (Politico)
            Josh Schwerin (Hilary spokesman)
            Joel Benenson (DNC Operative)
            Judith Miller (NY Times Fox News)
            Lanny Davis (DNC Operative)
            Alan Dershowitz (Zionist / Lawyer)
            Jennifer Pozner (Media Critic ? )
            Jake Tapper (CNN)

            etc
            etc
            etc

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 12:42 am #

            “We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”

            Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1955

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 7:19 am #

            jhon, malthuss, & Janos,

            the “Three Howlers”

            circle-jerking again?

          • JimInFlorida August 25, 2016 at 10:02 am #

            jhon, malthuss, & Janos,

            the “Three Howlers”

            circle-jerking again?

            – dannyboy

            ===========================================

            I’m working the camera and lights!

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 11:54 am #

            JimInFlorida

            now you got me “howling”

            …with laughter!

          • Elrond Hubbard August 25, 2016 at 3:14 pm #

            A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century (occasionally A Radical Program for the Twentieth Century) was a hoax that first gained public notoriety on June 7, 1957, during a debate on the Civil Rights Act of 1957, when Rep. Thomas Abernethy of Mississippi read a reputed quotation from it into the Congressional Record.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Racial_Program_for_the_Twentieth_Century

            What? A hoax? But it enunciates the anxieties and hatreds of white-supremacist bigots so precisely! it’s as though someone actually wanted there to be a single document making their case with eerie exactitude! How can that… oh, I see. Hoax.

            The other clue was the name “Israel Cohen”. The hoaxster cleverly realized that attributing the fake quote to Kikey McKikerson would have been a dead giveaway.

  93. wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 7:51 pm #

    “Slaves praising their Masters. It means nothing.” –janos

    Janos, you are losing. You lost slavery. You lost Jim Crow. You lost legal restrictions on mixed marriages. Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since 1967.

    Anti-miscegenation laws have played a large role in defining racial identity and enforcing the racial hierarchy. White nationalism is dead. White supremacy is dead. White privilege is dying a slow death.

    The United States has many ethnic and racial groups, and interracial marriage is common among most of them. Interracial marriages increased from 2% of married couples in 1970 to 8.4% in 2010 to 12% in 2013. Numbers are increasing rapidly. Numbers are even higher in other parts of the world.

    There is no escape into an all white hidey hole. MISCEGENATION IS HERE TO STAY. Whites are a shrinking minority. The world is about 7% European. The future of the world is multi-racial, multi-cultural, and interfaith (an interfaith which embraces agnostics, atheists, non-Christian, and earth-based spirituality).

    • malthuss August 24, 2016 at 9:45 pm #

      F. U.

      • wpa_ccc August 24, 2016 at 10:19 pm #

        Go gators!

        • malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:17 am #

          Go Trump.

          and go away, chump.

          • beantownbill. August 25, 2016 at 12:25 am #

            Take yer own advice.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 12:20 am #

        No minority rights? Affirmative Action? White Riots in the streets? Reservations? Or even our own States as South Africa gave to its Black peoples?

        We both know the answer. Nothing short of genocide will satisfy your black heart.

      • jhon August 25, 2016 at 9:09 pm #

        “The truth is only hate speech to those who hate the truth.” – Unknown

        • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 9:55 pm #

          you know there’s truth, and then there’s Truth

    • Cavepainter August 24, 2016 at 11:30 pm #

      “Shoud’a, would’a, could’a”, familiar phrase that captures precisely the game the human psyche plays upon itself. Assured effectuality (sense of capacity to control fate) is its inherent need, otherwise it shuts down – end stage depression. God.,….; yep, God — or other mysterious doings – is invoked (prayer ceremonies) so that stars and nature general will be brought into alignment to favor the prayer giver’s (or shaman’s, or priest’s, or Iman’s) aims. When God’s ways are mysteriously not obliging then the psyche simply spins the table so that it keeps the upper hand with a trump card signifying the “should’a” clause to maintain that control “would’a held true if only…..; “Oh, if I’d only pacified God appropriately,….uh…..more virgins into the volcano” maybe?

      So, the “should’a part preserves the reassuring delusion that some intervening force is out there to be manageable on behalf of the psyche’s assurance need for effectuality.

      If the psyche couldn’t play this game on itself the resulting anxiety would keep our big, gas hog (calories), conceptualizing brain in overdrive, boosting the entire body metabolic process beyond….now get this……what evolution has taught are hard to obtain and often scarcely available. Calories, get it?

      Now, here’s why I bring this up in context of the exchanges on this site. I’m reading a lot of preachment post here proclaiming the should’a, would’a, could’a clause, particularly regards wpa-ccc. You see, she/he/it is a proponent of the Liberal Left gospel, based, more-or-less, on the lyrics of John Lennon’s song “Imagine”. You know; peace, tranquility and abundance among all people inhabiting earth, just like it would’a been had not Western Culture come on the scene. You see, its White folks and Western Culture that should’a been tossed into the volcano, then multiculturalism would return to its natural state of harmony, just like history has shown was the case before…..uh, you know.

    • beantownbill. August 25, 2016 at 12:19 am #

      White+Black+yellow+brown= Gold. We will be the golden people. Very few – maybe scholars – will ever realize that surface skin color differences ever existed. Pretty ironic, isn’t it, that Janos harps about homogeneity of populations as necessary for successful nations? Well, he’s gonna get his wish, just not in the way he imagined.

      • malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:23 am #

        Successful nations?

        SURELY YOU JEST, EH BUDDY.

        • beantownbill. August 25, 2016 at 12:39 am #

          Nope, i’m serious.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 12:25 am #

        Yes, each Jewish woman will be required to have a Black or Brown husband. The beauty is that the Jewish people will survive since descent goes thru the mother. But we both know that in reality the people will be utterly changed.

        Surely you don’t believe you will escape the fate you have laid out for us?

        • malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:28 am #

          Hoist by their own Petard.
          We see it unfolding in Europe.

          and this,

          http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/200chomskylies.pdf

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 1:04 am #

            Which category for the hoisting?

          • SpeedyBB August 27, 2016 at 12:04 am #

            That’s a scream. Why do we take such enjoyment in seeing our idols knocked down?

            It’s a primate thing, I betcha.

        • beantownbill. August 25, 2016 at 12:36 am #

          I’m not a megalomaniac who believes whatever I lay out has any effect on the human race. Hey, maybe we’ll merge with machines and we’ll all have bizarre new forms. Or, just think, we’ll all be downloaded in some central computer, where we can live out our fantasies forever. You could create your own world with no Blacks or Jews (I’d predict that within a month you’d be horribly bored).

          • Janos Skorenzy August 25, 2016 at 12:58 am #

            Jews are smart, but not wise. They have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind. Your dark intention will come back upon you threefold.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Three_(Wicca)

          • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 8:36 am #

            Janos,

            now you’re a Witch!

            wtf?

      • JimInFlorida August 25, 2016 at 9:59 am #

        You described the color of MUD. And not very good mud at that! Gold is a PURE METAL. Not a haphazard alloy as you described.

        Miscegenation is more akin to a farmer abandoning his fields to weeds, locusts, and other pests.

        Whites are the desirable flowers and crops that require much tending but, they yield up value. Letting weeds invade the garden may satisfy the demigods of Diversity but, they choke out the good plants. That is not a defect of the desirable plants but, Nature trades robustness for value in ornamentals vs. weeds.

  94. malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:22 am #

    Cher does not like Trump.

    She of the junkie ex [Greg].
    The daughter pretending to be a man.
    2 abortions [Im not FOR abortion, says she].
    She has been with strange men. And thats understating it.
    Dated David Geffen. [The rumor at William Morris agency was Cher was doing a gal, at that time].

    etc.

    • SpeedyBB August 27, 2016 at 12:07 am #

      Son, it pays to shop around.

  95. malthuss August 25, 2016 at 12:32 am #

    Bill and Janos, check the latest, ‘Jewish Journal.’

    Cover asks, ‘How do we fit into BLM?’

    JJ is published in LA, which is now 75% Non White.
    The Jews prefer living in Malibu, Pac Pal, Brentwood. All very White.

    • beantownbill. August 25, 2016 at 12:38 am #

      Why live in South Central when you can be in Brentwood or Beverly Hills?

      • malthuss August 25, 2016 at 10:34 am #

        That sounds like, ‘The best things in life are free.’

        • dannyboy August 25, 2016 at 10:49 am #