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Commitments and Obligations

         
     Conservatives have a legitimate gripe about America’s excessive “commitments and obligations” to “unfunded liabilities” but their focus on Medicare and social security misses the larger point: our disastrous commitment to the current national lifestyle, in particular suburban sprawl and everything it entails.
     This point came across vividly in a video recently released by the usually level-headed David McAlvaney titled “The Fuse Is Lit Part 3 – an American Reckoning.” In it, the smooth and articulate McAlvaney is shown behind the wheel of his SUV tooling across the picturesque small town in Colorado where he lives inveighing against the public that elects politicians who deliver the voters cash benefits. This dynamic is surely deadly, and implies Democracy’s tragic self-limiting nature. But McAlvaney suggests if we could come to grips with the fiscal quandary of “entitlement” spending, American life would just rock on. 
     This is plainly not so, but it also reveals the tragic shortsightedness of even thoughtful conservatives – and there are some out there, indeed we need them, indeed one of the political tragedies of recent American history is the surrender of conservatism to religious hysterics, professional ignoramuses, military chauvinists, and flat-earthers. A true conservative would recognize the land development pattern of the millennial USA as a consequence of tragic collective choices, a living arrangement with no future, a trap every bit as lethal as Medicare and social security.
     The catch is, we’re not going to unbuild suburbia and all its accessories. There’s no way to legislate it away. We’re stuck with it. The suburban entitlement will fail even more dramatically than the social entitlements that conservatives grouse about because there’s no way to “print” cheap oil or well-paid livelihoods the way you can monetize public debt to support social spending. You can “print” mortgages, of course, for people with little chance of paying them down, but that only leads to the financial hostage racket called too-big-to-fail banking, and we know where that’s gotten us.
      Around the Internet, in the vale of financial podcasting, you can hear voices cheerleading the “return” of the house-building industry. Is it a good thing that real estate speculators are banging up yet more housing subdivisions in the hills around San Diego? I can tell you why they are doing it: because that is the only way they know how to build anything in California. They’re stuck in the habits and practices of the 20th century, building more car dependent stuff for a society that is already dying a slow death from living that way.
     In the collapse of all these rackets, bad habits, and brain-dead behaviors that is sure to come, historians will have a hard time sorting out what exactly brought down the empire. The big element that will not be so visible is the poverty of imagination that set the tone for it – especially among public figures and spokespeople who should have seen and articulated these relationships, and extra-especially among self-proclaimed conservatives.
     This happens to be the day when the articulator-in-chief gets his official new lease in office. Genial figure that he is, I don’t think President Obama has a clue where all this is heading. I suppose he’ll argue for stricter gun laws today, but that horse is already so far out of the barn it’s in the next county. We don’t seem to realize that America is now fully armed. Additional firearms are just superfluous at this point. And to some degree the people armed themselves in direct consequence as their government tinkered with due process, and sent drone aircraft into the American skies, and commenced computer hacking operations over every business transaction in the system, and voided the rule-of-law against criminal uber-bankers who creamed off the nation’s wealth while holding the economy hostage. Since the armed public is not ready to mount an insurrection against this impudence, the dangerous tension is expressed in morbid and tragic episodes of mass shootings by maniacs against the innocent. What I want to know: where is the lone swindled rancher who waits to bushwhack Jon Corzine of MF Global in the parking lots of Easthampton, since the law won’t touch him?
     I suppose we’ll hear about immigration reform today. It will surely be some cockamamie proposal to legitimize the “undocumented” by shanghaiing them into the military (think: mercenaries), and otherwise keeping the welcome mat down for more newcomers waiting politely at the front door. This is insane, of course. The USA needs to reduce its population consistent with the tremendous economic contraction underway world-wide. There are too many people for the world to support and shifting them into this country from regions more rapidly affected by contraction is just dumb — but we have our cultural myths to defend… and voting blocs to appease.
     It seems obvious to me that in the, say, four years ahead (one presidential term), we will not come to grips with any of the forces of reality bearing down on us. We will lose control of the money system; we’ll go broke trying to keep up our oil supplies; the American public will get more economically desperate and angry; and pretty soon the practical matters of daily life will become rather harsh. And at that point faith in the system finally evaporates and people fight over the table scraps of a failed polity.
     Many of us around the country are hoping for a better outcome in the successful downscaling and re-localizing of American life, but those questions are just not in the arena. Hence, the arena itself will probably have to topple and crash before life is reorganized outside of where it used to stand.
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797 Responses to “Commitments and Obligations”

  1. Big_Bill January 21, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    For a thoughtful conservatism — check out the Front Porch Republic website

  2. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    “legitimize the “undocumented” by shanghaiing them into the military (think: mercenaries),”

    In ancient times this seems to be a recurring pattern of societies on their last legs. This is a canary in a coal mind if it happens. Not that we need one.

  3. PRD January 21, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    Yes, with regards to the maniacs—why is it always kindergartners or theatre-goers or people standing around in a parking lot??!! Aren’t there more deserving targets??!!
    But as our military and political powers demonstrate, life is cheap, and even the youngest of innocents cannot escape the American killing machine. So why should some whacko with a gun?

  4. manifestogr January 21, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    The empire became too big not to fail

  5. ffkling January 21, 2013 at 9:49 am #

    For a well researched understanding for why the vocal flat earth society exists today despite the greatest access to libraries and information in the history of mankind, check out the following article in Seeking Alpha:
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1101351-sense-and-nonsense-about-climate-change-what-do-investors-need-to-know

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  6. maineiac January 21, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    One of your best posts in a while, Jim, and I particularly like your mature comments on the “undocumented” problem. As I explain it to people, the Inn is full. We simply cannot house or sustain any more people in a country with such a downward spiraling future.

  7. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    We will lose control of the money system; we’ll go broke trying to keep up our oil supplies; the American public will get more economically desperate and angry; and pretty soon the practical matters of daily life will become rather harsh.

    Which will cause many to whisper it would be all good if only he could have a third term.

  8. Steve knox January 21, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Jim, as always you’ve hit the nail on the head. I am appalled at the people in high places who are convinced that the “system” is still sound, and just needs a little tweeking to get it back to normal. Our inability or unwillingness to see the big picture, and see the limits that are all around does not bode well. As we enter a crisis mode, the first thing we will lose is rational thinking, and let’s be candid, we are in a crisis.

  9. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    This is plainly not so, but it also reveals the tragic shortsightedness of even thoughtful conservatives

    Like Bob Dylan? Per the following commercial, he sure looks like a Conservative, but looks can be deceiving. In the least, he’s surely a hypocrite. But, aren’t we all? Of course, some are more hypocritical than others, and Dylan ranks high on that scale, especially after doing this commercial. Here’s spitting at you, Bob.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X3Bcmf3ckQ

  10. Jimmy Drinkwater January 21, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    Many of us around the country are hoping for a better outcome in the successful downscaling and re-localizing of American life, but those questions are just not in the arena. Hence, the arena itself will probably have to topple and crash before life is reorganized outside of where it used to stand.

    True enough JHK and still, some of us around the country are pushing on through anyway knowing what is likely coming to pass. I’ve been building alt trans bikes for a number of years for folks and it ebbs and flows. When Katrina hit and gas went close to $5@gal it didn’t take long for people to become keenly interested. What’s happening now, even though fuel prices have leveled off, folks seem to be looking for any way to ease the strain on their wallets.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

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  11. Neon Vincent January 21, 2013 at 9:58 am #

    Last week, I gave my lecture on economic schools of thought about the environment. One of those schools was ecological economics, which, as I tell my students, holds the scientifically sound but economically fringe idea that everything rests on the natural environment. Without the environment, there is no society and without society, there is no economy. It also thinks that the current system is not sustainable and should be replaced, not reformed. As my first example of an ecological economist, I used you as someone they would see later on during the semester. Your essay today exemplified that view, as there are three ways to replace the existing economic and social system, actively tear it down (not likely to happen), build an alternative and hope people come (Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms is trying this), or wait for it to collapse on its own and hope that the replacement develops organically. That’s exactly what you’ve been pointing towards and how you conclude today’s offering.
    I’ve been neglecting collapse lately at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. Instead, I’ve been writing at least a bit about how Detroit is moving to a more sustainable future by getting light rail built down Woodward Avenue. The people along the main street of the Motor City are looking forward to a transportation system that isn’t built around cars. Fancy that. I’ve also found some good renewable energy news and was led by the shiny object of the North American International Auto Show from trapeze artists to James Bond to the Golden Globes, which tied into the theme of last week’s post. As Barry Commoner would say, everything is connected to everything else.
    I also blogged about today’s Inauguration. Consistent with my blogs theme of sustainability with a science fiction slant, the entry is about NASA’s role in the parade and other celebrations. The space agency is worried about contraction, but they’re still looking forward to more good times under Obama. I also blogged about the flu, finished my retrospective of 2012’s extreme weather with Hurricane Sandy, noted that one doomsday scenario, a collision with the asteroid Apophis, has been postponed, and discussed comment trolls. You know who you are here.
    My wife and I are off to watch the Inauguration with some fellow Daily Kos members. I’ll imagine the light rail passing in front of our restaurant on Woodward while doing so.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  12. ZEKE_668 January 21, 2013 at 9:59 am #

    Jim,
    That’s why anyone with half a clue is stocking up on precious metals right now – and I mean lead and brass. Come to think of it – Homeland Security has been doing the same for the last two years.
    This assclown in office is the most dangerous person to have held it in our nation’s history.

  13. erikSF99 January 21, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    Well, like all of us, I don’t wish anyone bad…but where are all those folks who have learned all that high-tech stuff we see in Mission Impossible or elsewhere and, now having been screwed by their own government–who hasn’t been?–go off and perform some mission to make an “impression”? You know, like retrieve every single internal email between Goldman Sachs and their GS counterparts in the Obama administration. Or suddenly transfer and distribute all of GS’s cash into each and every checking account in the U.S. Or reveal everything about the offshore banking accounts, or a list of the drug money and its sources laundered by the TBTF banks.
    We have the strange but not persuasive “Anonymous” and that’s about it. Makes you wonder if that high-tech stuff really is only in the movies.

  14. evilnaturedme January 21, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    JHK has surprised me with the subject matter today , i assumed he would draw attention to the hostage situation at the gas plant and the impossibility of having perfect security for energy supplies in certain areas of the world.

  15. John D. Wheeler January 21, 2013 at 10:04 am #

    The sad part is, were we to tackle the task of rebuilding suburbia into something sustainable, that would provide a tremendous number of jobs now AND vast savings later. What is truly tragic is that candidate Hillary Clinton in 2008 actually proposed one step along that path, making all government buildings as energy efficient as possible.

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  16. Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
    Denial is the standard American mantra.
    Why does the state want our guns?
    Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
    Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
    Where is the rule of law?
    Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
    Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
    Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
    All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption,

  17. Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
    Denial is the standard American mantra.
    Why does the state want our guns?
    Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
    Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
    Where is the rule of law?
    Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
    Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
    Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
    All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

  18. Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
    Denial is the standard American mantra.
    Why does the state want our guns?
    Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
    Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
    Where is the rule of law?
    Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
    Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
    Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
    All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

  19. Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
    Denial is the standard American mantra.
    Why does the state want our guns?
    Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
    Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
    Where is the rule of law?
    Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
    Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
    Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
    All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

  20. KaraokeVox January 21, 2013 at 10:09 am #

    I like the points about missing the bigger picture/targets.
    The fact we know about all these mini-massacres is a product of our mass media’s attempts to push forth their political agenda. One has to be sympathetic for the president when reporters asked him where were you when all these other shootings happened. What would you have said? The truth? “I can’t be concerned with anything that doesn’t have a direct affect on my staying in office.” He’s no better than boehner. They are hand in hand with the ever contracting powerful elite. They need to keep people convinced they are important and needed because they’re smarter and write the checks. So when the press gives a horn to this and that whiner…the doctors write the prescription. Definitely a modern society problem that existed way before obama and will continue to exisr in various formulas into the future.
    Cfn is about how we create our own neurosis and how people that should be level, should know better, are overtaken by their own grandiosity…the overall propulsion of events, trends and circumstances beyond their control.
    So everyone is going to get whatever is coming to them in regards to life choices despite these other weird things going on with weather and point n click death culture.

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  21. MisterbadExample January 21, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    Jim–your Monday blog is the first thing I read in the morning. That said– you state “Genial figure that he is, I don’t think President Obama has a clue where all this is heading.” I’m growing increasingly uncomfortable with that view. Mr. Obama knows exactly where this is heading and is giving lip service to busted bromides like ‘clean coal’ and ‘100 years of natural gas’ so that all those gun owners don’t notice the change in the air around them.
    As someone watching the protests around the XL pipeline unfold, it seems clear to me that the president is trying to kick the can down the road as long as possible by pretending that we can drill and frack our way out of this. I’m of an age to remember 1973, when in the darkness (Daylight savings time re-imposed in late October as a result of the oil embargo)hundreds of cars waited in line for a few gallons of gas at the one local station that had some. This isn’t the knowledge of some octogenarian–plenty of commentators must remember the 70’s and the economic havoc wrought by suddenly-expensive energy. Am I the only one with a sense of deja vu? And is Obama’s only goal to keep a lid on things for as long as possible?

  22. Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    Sorry for the multiple posts!
    Hope you don’t ban semi-automatic posts here!
    Put they don’t look like assault posts.
    On a different note, I suggest folk here read: Anti-fragility..the later Nassim Taleb book. Great reading!

  23. newworld January 21, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Once the “Right” takes to open looting like black, hispanic politicians and most importantly their oligarch financiers (Geithner)the contraction will make the USSR’s look like a planned event.
    Right now the conservatives are playing Ol’ Pa to the whiners of the left kiddy act, but can the monetary games pay for this extravagant theatre?

  24. Monkeyboy January 21, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    http://youtu.be/IipwQryubIE
    The above link is one of the best peak oil “were so fucked” video’s ever… worth an hour, even if you know most of it already…
    It’s called “There’s no tomorrow” totally animated, the cartoon of our self destruction.
    Glad we’re back from the movies Jim!

  25. erikSF99 January 21, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    What JHK, perhaps, make me most think about is that, let’s say the whole Tesla-energy-from-the-universe concepts actually pans out. And everyone gets to run around forever in their electric cars…until the last rubber tree gives out and the last iron ore is mined. The whole suburban construct is still a landscape with no future. Happy Motoring was a time and place that is over and done–even if you can keep on motoring.
    I lived for the longest time in the San Francisco Bay Area and lived near Berkeley. You know, Berkeley and Oakland, too, despite its reputation, have wonderful old residential neighborhoods. And bookstores and movie theatres and you can have a very pleasant life there. The only thing is, even there, every time you need to go somewhere you have to drive through ugliness, along ugly freeways or once nice boulevards lined with car repairs places and gas stations. And, of course, you have to drive.
    To go to the local hill parks or go to the mountains you have to drive. To go to the ocean you have to drive. And 80% of what you pass along the way is ugly and awful. So you have to create a sort of memory suppression where the 4 hours walking in the hills were bracketed by 2 hours in the car. To survive you have to have a comfortable car, car stereo and zone out and pretend the little islands of beauty you are visiting are worth all the time maintaining your car, all the ‘lagoons’ of parking lots in shopping centers, all the driving through ugliness.
    Or ignoring that one set of family friends is 35 miles away to the east and across a bridge in Marin, another is 20 miles away to the east in Walnut Creek, another is 60 miles away in San Jose with 8-10 lanes of traffic and one mega-mall after another as your sight-seeing along the way and it’s a pain in the neck to even manage to see each other on a regular basis.
    Even with free energy and even in a pleasant place like the Oakland-Berkeley East Bay it still hardly qualifies as a place with a future. Because along with all the ugliness between those islands of beauty are the islands of poverty and anger so to get anywhere you have to drive by or through that sadness and black it out, knowing that if things have been bad there until now, what’s it gonna be like in the years to come.

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  26. Neon Vincent January 21, 2013 at 10:22 am #

    Eh, I’ve seen worse glitches. Speaking of which, what was going on last week when the site was down for at what seemed like half an hour late Monday morning? That was frustrating!

  27. cleve meater January 21, 2013 at 10:25 am #

    Longtime reader but never posted before… I stumbled across a band this weekend that blew my mind.
    They are called Arcade Fire, and listening to their album “Suburbs” reminded me of everything written here. In a way, it’s encouraging… People are waking up not just by reading insights here and other places on the Interwebs, but even by the alternative culture and music we are starting to listen to.
    “Suburbs” is one of the most devastatingly poignant albums I have ever heard, and the messages fit well with what Kunstler writes here.
    This sent shivers up my spine…
    “So can you understand?
    Why I want a daughter while I’m still young
    I wanna hold her hand
    And show her some beauty
    Before all this damage is done”
    Or the song “Sprawl II”…
    “Living in the sprawl, dead shopping malls rise
    Like mountains beyond mountains
    And there’s no end in sight
    I need the darkness, someone please cut the lights”
    The entire album is a realization and recognition that we’re at the end game. Yes, it’s dark and deep, but in a strange way it’s encouraging.
    When the collective rantings of us conspiracy nuts start spilling over into popular culture, I count that as progress.

  28. popcine January 21, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    What “professional ignoramuses”?
    When’s the last time you saw someone on TV or in the press say they simply didn’t know, didn’t have the answers, and were looking for them?
    Of course people in the real world talk like this, but never in the media. Any media. It’s an unwritten rule.
    Wouldn’t it be great to have politicians come out and say they simply don’t understand? But that they’re still ready to take constructive steps one way or another.
    So there is your proof of our inadequacy. Public figures lack the imagination to sense how much trouble we are in.

  29. ront January 21, 2013 at 10:43 am #

    Happy Martin Luther King Jr Day, Brothers and Sisters!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96d_CzrfxsM

  30. Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    I never thought I would live so long as to read someone like JHK admit that we need no more immigration. Dare we hope that he might yet come out in support of restoring American soveriegnty. As in, the way I think of it, one nation, one citizenship, one soveriegnty. No more dual citizenships and no more hyphenated Americans.
    I think proposing a moratorium on immigration of a minimun of 5 years, ten would be better, would be the one issue which might gain the attention and support of idependents, moderate (former) Republicans and responsible (former) Democrats. I think it is the one issue which would give a new party enough leverage to force intransigent interest groups to negotiate.
    For example: Israel and AOPAC, you want continuing support for your defense, then give up the fantasy of relocating the entire Palestinian people to the USA.
    Hispanic Caucus, you want a path to citizenship for your young people, than stop the opposition to progressive farm legislation. We are no longer willing to have the poisoned products of agribiz and Big Food Processing shoved down our throats for the sake of an immigrant jobs program.

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  31. Poet January 21, 2013 at 10:48 am #

    For me, the most poignant, damning, and paradoxical thing about today is the coincidental juxtaposition of the coronation of Obama and the Martin Luther King Jr. birthday celebration. If there is anything that more aptly pictures what the US once was and what we have allowed ourselves to become, this is it.

    Say or think what you will about Dr. King, but in his day he was a force that stood four square against the tide of his times and said, along with the tens of thousands who followed him wherever he went) “business as usual cannot, must not, and will not continue”.

    Today, to the adulation of tens of thousands, the US will hold the coronation of a well-trained, politically correct, Mr Kool Joey, President Barack Obama, whose mantra (along with all the rest of the political figures in the US) seems to be, “well, whatever!”.

    This year also marks the 50th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, whose most outstanding and distinguishing characteristic while in office was his steadfast refusal to be trapped between the false paradigm of “either/or” and demanded more creative alternatives from his counselors than “the lesser of two evils” which has and continues to occupy the energies of all the politicians of the land to this day.

    I know that JHK and most of the commentators on this blog feel differently, but for me the proximate cause of the demise of the US was and remains first and foremost a death of the imagination as pictured in the assassinations of the 60’s and the installation of this latest (in a long line that goes back unbroken for the past 50 years!) well-trained jack-ass of a president. How sad!

  32. asoka,, January 21, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    In honor of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday I’ve traveled to Atlanta this week to pay my respects.
    Think I’ll go plant some watermelon seeds on his grave for starters.

  33. ozone January 21, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    ” Many of us around the country are hoping for a better outcome in the successful downscaling and re-localizing of American life, but those questions are just not in the arena. Hence, the arena itself will probably have to topple and crash before life is reorganized outside of where it used to stand.”
    -JHK
    I also hold that hope, but in a small and quiet way that people do when they see a particular hope as an unlikely one.
    I’ve been in the “Hell” bid’nez for quite some time now. That would be the abandonment of hope, most especially the false ones. (Example: Obama the Savior, ca.2008. That was an easy one; I checked his voting record and saw where his loyalties lay.)
    Duh Pee-pull have been so indoctrinated and have sat on the cushy couch of ignorance and denial for so long that they no longer have even a half-assed clue as to what’s going on. This points directly to the forbidden plateau of: ain’t nobody gonna lift a finger (other than to power up the entertainment center) until everything falls down around their ears. Bringing us to the pleasant realms of Chaos or Totalitarianism; name your poison.
    Precious metals of lead and brass indeed.

  34. ront January 21, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    There is a place where we can all come together–be together, but what a process it is to get it cleared out and stretched out. It all starts with opening the doors…
    True Appreciation
    by Jeff Wolverton
    Some people keep all but their own family
    outside their hearts.
    Many will let others in,
    but only a few invite
    people into their hearts,
    and even fewer in number are the lovers of God
    who take others into their hearts
    and never ask permission to do so.
    Rarest of all are the saints and mystics,
    who already have everyone
    in their hearts.
    That is why, when you meet them,
    you feel they already know you
    as you’ve always
    known yourself.

  35. ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    I also hold the common-sensical opinion that ALL economy is based on natural resources/energy and the further manipulations of same for various useful products.
    Anything else is simply a ruse, a flim-flam, a fraud, legerdemain, a trick, a con, a scheme. Witness the “claims to wealth” vs. the actual assets they’re lien-ed upon. It’s mostly vaporous.
    You’ll notice this is kept well-hidden; little timmy git-near did his can-kickin’ and denial of “mark-to-market” job. little lew is next Bullshitter of the Treasury, so his job is to keep the secret scrolls hidden for as long as plausible deniability will allow.

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  36. ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Arcade Fire fan here too.
    Scariest visions of dystopic realities put to music since Leonard Cohen.
    Bravo. More wakeup calls needed.

  37. progress4conserving January 21, 2013 at 11:13 am #

    Excellent piece of work this week!
    “one of the political tragedies of recent American history is the surrender of conservatism to religious hysterics, professional ignoramuses, military chauvinists, and flat-earthers.” -jhk-
    Not to put to fine a point on it, but those folks aren’t at all “conservative,” as the term should be properly defined. The are, instead, members of voting blocks, to be corralled like jackasses at election time – and otherwise ignored.
    “I suppose we’ll hear about immigration reform today. It will surely be some cockamamie proposal to legitimize the “undocumented” by shanghaiing them into the military (think: mercenaries), and otherwise keeping the welcome mat down for more newcomers waiting politely at the front door. This is insane, of course. The USA needs to reduce its population consistent with the tremendous economic contraction underway world-wide. There are too many people for the world to support and shifting them into this country from regions more rapidly affected by contraction is just dumb*…” -jhk-
    Rarely do I want to improve your excellent word choice, but here I would suggest
    “*screaming idiotic DEATHLY dumb!”
    And here, JHK, we should blame “liberals” far more than conservatives. Most of the arguments in favor of high immigration levels are of the GROW, GROW conservative variety – that economic growth in the US will never ever stop.
    “Liberals” should be about protecting the environment, or protecting the economic prospects of Native Born Black Americans from third world competition, or something, anything – to stop the US population growth before it’s too late.
    But, sadly, that side of the political spectrum has sold out to pro-immigrant racism, or to no-longer-relevant moral platitudes of one sort on another.
    There are excellent non-profits working hard to reduce immigration to lower levels.
    NumbersUSA seems to be the best, in that is the largest, is rated in the top for funds management, and it even has the begrudging blessing of the SPLC for its even handed approach.
    They have over one million members.
    It’s time to join them. Let your voices be heard.

  38. Jimmy Drinkwater January 21, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    I also hold the common-sensical opinion that ALL economy is based on natural resources/energy and the further manipulations of same for various useful products.

    Yes and I think we have to include in that human energy, “Economics As If People Mattered” to borrow from E F Schumacher, the value of one person toiling. Real prosperity is relating, not acquiring.

  39. malthus January 21, 2013 at 11:21 am #

    “This assclown in office is the most dangerous person to have held it in our nation’s history.” I would agree with you more if you would have said “in a long line of assclowns.” If anyone thinks that all that is needed is the right politician in the leadership role has their heads so far up their asses they never will see any daylight.

  40. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 11:22 am #

    It all boils down to this. People care too much. Say no to caring, and maybe, just maybe, some form of harmonious equilibrium can be re-established. But, don’t hold your breath. Caring isn’t relinquished readily.

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  41. Outpost of the Empire January 21, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    Thoughtful conservative is an oxymoron in this outpost of the empire (Canada) too. Our present dear leader is in a mad rush to do a reverse version of Jack in the Beanstock. This time he is selling our magic beans (tar sand oil) for a steer. A Conservative icon from the not too distant past former Alberta Premier Lougheed suggested that a refinery with all it jobs be built in Alberta. The finished product is worth more and less problematic than shipping bitumen. In stead a mad rush is on to figure out the quickest way to ship the most bitumen out now for a pittance in royalties (environmental concerns be damned) to the potential successor to the present empire. (China)

  42. GAZ January 21, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    …”There are too many people for the world to support”…James, you hit the nail on the head. It’s THE problem that creates ALL the other ones in a closed finite system (planet Earth). One can only hope that Mother Nature will correct this problem eventually or probably Mankind will do it to itself, which it SOOOO deserves.
    To me, most of Mankind is not worth saving anyway and every time I venture into the public realm my feelings are reinforced.
    Off Topic: If the POTUS had any class, balls, sense of leading by example, he would have shitcaned this awesome spectacle of waste that is happening as I write this and tell the Amerikan sheeple he does not need worship he needs the people to man up and start spending money and time on things that matter, which is what he is going to do STARTING TODAY!
    Oh well…that ain’t gonna’ happen. Sucks to be us.

  43. And So it Goes January 21, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Monkey Boy,
    Clicked on the link, watched the video.
    Well worth the 35 minute viewing time…
    Thank You…

  44. ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    I caution you not to think that because Mr. Kunstler should mention something that it’s imprinting itself on the national zeitgeist. I would posit that the exact opposite is true.

  45. Smokyjoe January 21, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    Maybe they are still sprawling in San Diego, but around here it’s infill and bringing life back to the city and inner suburbs.
    That requires oil too, but at least it’s sustainable growth. JHK takes too dim a view of things.

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  46. sevenmmm January 21, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    The conservatives are no more conservative than a mouse described as an elephant. And what they expect the future to be is like putting an elephant on a mouse diet and expecting the elephant to pull more weight. “Conservatives” are lunatics.
    All I can say about guns is it is best to own one and know how to use it.

  47. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    …”There are too many people for the world to support”…James, you hit the nail on the head. It’s THE problem that creates ALL the other ones in a closed finite system (planet Earth).

    Bullshit. It is not THE problem. It is a symptom of THE problem and it leads to yet other symptoms, but it is not the root.
    The root is the answer to the question, why are there too many people for the world to support? You could eliminate 95% of the world’s population, and sure, you may mitigate some symptoms in the short-term, but in the long-term, since you haven’t plucked the roots, you will be facing the same predicament.
    Considering that, chances are slim for a clean slate. It appears the planet may be fresh out of clean slates….at least clean slates for us humans.

  48. GAZ January 21, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    WTF are you talking about?
    Humans like to fuck but are no longer regulated by nature (for now) and stupid, lazy, ones used to die off, elimating there, stupid, lazy genes.
    That root problem?

  49. Josephhere January 21, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    It’d been useful if people had understood the implications of what Malthus was saying and basically stopped reproducing a long time ago. That would have slowed down economic growth and would have given more ecological room for each person to be prosperous.

  50. Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    On immigration, I think Mr. Kunstler is late to the party, so to speak. I think “the zeitgeist”, if by that you mean non-ideological Americans who live outside of lefty enclaves, already figured out long ago that high immigration rates were pushing up housing, utility and transportation costs to levels where full time employed Americans could no longer afford to live with a modicum of decency and comfort in their own country. Our upper classes no longer make useful products; they collect rents, so they pushed for high legal and illegal immigration rates to keep their rents coming in.

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  51. asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    Conservatives engage in various forms of conspiracy theory always wanting to place the blame elsewhere: the communists, the ecologist tree huggers, the Blacks, the immigrants, the liberals, the gay agenda, the Mexicans, the radical Islamists, etc.
    Conservatives are very prone to conspiracy theories.
    For example, conservatives are not worried about climate change: that’s an Al Gore conspiracy. Conservatives are not concerned about peak oil: Biotic oil formation is a conspiracy. According to conservatives, oil is the product not of ancient microorganisms, but of a chemical reaction deep beneath the earth’s crust. So no matter what the JHK and CFN claim, we’ll never run out of oil–which means peak oil is a conspiracy of the oil companies to massively rip us off at the pump.
    A little more about the abiotic oil theory conservatives embrace: Cold War Russian scientists looking for homegrown energy sources first came up with the idea of “abiotic oil.” (Abiotic: not from living organisms.) The theory was refined by a conservative, former Swift Boater Jerome Corsi, also the author of The Obama Nation. Corsi’s 2005 Black Cold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil posits that crude oil is an UNLIMITED resource.
    So where is the oil, then? Like all the “drill baby drill” conservatives, Corsi says we need to look “where we have never looked–even deeper in the world’s seas.” Translation: offshore drilling.
    Giora Proskurowski, a researcher at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, discovered small amounts of hydrocarbons forming through an abiotic process deep in the Atlantic. The conservative conspiracy theory abiotic oil believers have seized on his findings, even though Proskurowski says sorry – talk of bottomless, Saudi-free oil is “a pipe dream.”
    It’s not just that conservatives wrongly focus on “entitlements,” ignoring suburbia and peak oil, it’s that they embrace a whole host of conspiracy theories to place the blame for our clusterfuck on “the other” instead of assuming responsibility for what their conservative values like wasteful militarism, immoral imperialism, and “greed is good” “free market” capitalism have created.

  52. Jay Schiavone January 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    “…parking lots of Easthampton…”
    In New Jersey, Corzine’s home state, the township is spelled Eastampton. If you’re referring to the wealthy enclave on Long Island, it is East Hampton.
    And who is David McAlvaney? I suspect you mean McAlvany. You’re supposed to be a writer. And your tone is very condescending. If you are going to pontificate, at the very least, you should check your spelling.

  53. mistified January 21, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    “Yes, with regards to the maniacs—why is it always kindergartners or theatre-goers or people standing around in a parking lot??!! ”
    Because we declare those areas “gun free zones” and the loonies are drawn to them like flies to a porch light. It is that obvious. And that stupid of our officials.

  54. sevenmmm January 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    Thanks.

  55. ozone January 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    No, by zeitgeist, I mean the “spirit of the times” the “general feel” of the general population.
    In this regard, I can assure you, the “average ‘murkin” knows little and understands less.
    Therefore, my assertation that whatever Kunstler pronounces is being assiduously ignored by the general population and their “leaders” still holds. (Those who even bother to ruminate a bit on “the immigration problem” are most likely to want to let it be handled by them’uns in gum’mint that are the experts in this matter. After all, that thinkin’ and doin’ stuff is hard work…)
    I applaud your optimism [that something can be done], but the terrible weight of numbers leans toward collapse by dint of doing nothing to prepare for some very dicey predicaments and their outcomes.

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  56. AMR January 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    Downtown San Diego and many nearby neighborhoods are filling in with a pretty functional, coherent urban fabric, but the main development model in East County and North County is basically to build stupid shit all over hell. It’s a model that extends, with fairly small gaps, up the I-15 corridor through the Inland Empire to Victorville, back west across the Antelope Valley, and southwest into Ventura County. The only really reliable impediments to this shit are the steeper mountain ranges, some of which more closely resemble cliffs.
    Speaking of San Diegans who went off the deep end, I once knew one:
    http://aliensinthefamily.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/my-encounter-with-san-diego-police-recruiting-officer-and-noted-residential-vandal-robert-acosta/
    By contrast, the LA Basin, the San Fernando Valley and the proximal part of Orange County have some of the densest infill in the country. Other than Orange County, which is chronically beset with epic political and policy dysfunction, these places have really been getting their acts together on mass transit in recent years. The rest of the country should be looking to the agencies and officials involved, especially the LA Metro and Antonio Villaraigosa.

  57. Grouchy Old Girl January 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    It’s the death of hope that worries me. It seems like all we can do is circle the wagons with other like-minded people and try to live as well as possible. Try to enjoy each day as it comes and face trouble as it comes.
    We’re just howling in the wind if we think we can change the course we are on. Collapse and chaos are inevitable, nothing we can do to stop it.

  58. ozone January 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    I really should amend one part of that for less mud and a bit more clarity:
    I applaud your optimism [that something, COLLECTIVELY, can/will be done], (etc.)

  59. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    Yes, Whites care too much. We have to learn to turn ourselves Off and do the hard things that must needs be done – and not done. Aid to Africa? Not to be done. Aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc? Not to be done. Immigration? Not to be done – cut to zero for many years.
    Bishop Fulton Sheen argued well in his “Plea for Intolerance”: we are suffering not from the narrow minded, but more from the broad and foolish.
    http://catholicism.org/fulton-sheens-a-plea-for-intolerance.html

  60. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    Yes Zone. When Doom is certain, hope is the enemy. We should be preparing for the swiftly approaching Four Horsemen, not trading inane euphemisms and pie on the Earth Marxist fantasies. Jeremiahs are seldom popular, but they are needed. He told the Judeans (Israel was already gone) that it was too late, they hadn’t listened to God, that he Jeremiah had been their last chance and they hadn’t listened to him either – so now it was too late and they should get ready for their new life that would be in Babylon. Jerusalem was lost for the time being.

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  61. Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    average American knows little and understands less.
    And how, pray tell, did that come about?
    One impportant factor was and is the continueing abandonment by American intellectuals of their responsibilities, which consist of engaging with their less well educated fellow citizens and acting as, so to speak, witnesses for truth and civilization.
    Meanwhile, did you notice the panic attack from our Chinese spammer? To paraphrase the gibberish, hiring overeas workers AND their families, ie., paper relatives, is cheaper than jobs for indigenous people, who might as well go off and die, apparently. Cheaper for the multinational employer, perhaps, but surely not for the host nation.
    I repeat, I believe that calling for an outright moratorium on immigration is the one issue short of an actual declaration of war on some foreign power that does get people’s attention.

  62. Richard Shenary January 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    One of the interesting aspects of our immigration policy or lack thereof is the changing demographics of the electorate. “White Male” election power is waning as the Republican party changes into the Republican rest home. Most of these people have beliefs and political opinions that are no longer relevant to this world so, in my opinion, it is a good thing that they are out-voted by the new majority. The problem is the new majority is also clueless regarding the important issues of excessive debt, climate destabilization and resource scarcity.
    At least the new majority does not have the deep seeded prejudices of the old guard.

  63. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    With the possible exception of Ron Paul, no living man has been more right about the future and done more to awaken the People than Alex Jones. Celente is good but hasn’t had the reach of Jones.
    Btw, Jones is not a White Nationalist and doesn’t like them. Like Ron Paul he believe or pretends to believe that MLK was a great man and not a Communist agitator, a sex maniac, a plagiarist, etc.

  64. azgog January 21, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    The continuing stream of mass shootings (5 more dead today)and general mayhem (over a thousand dead since Newtown) reflect the tension in American society, but not in a revolutionary way. It is just another aspect of the monetization of our lives for the benefit of the 1%.
    While the gun industry celebrates record sales and the successful transformation of semiautomatic weapons into “sporting’ guns for “sportsmen” by industry lobbyists like the NSSF (based in Newtown, CT), another even creepier Industry is enjoying record profits at the expense of public safety.
    Psychiatry led the way to the Nazi concentration camps when they began a program of euthanizing the mentally ill, disabled or otherwise undesirable citizens in the 1930’s. Today they pursue an agenda of childhood “screening”, turning any emotionality into a pathology, to be treated with their powerful and highly profitable armada of psychotropic drugs. These poisons effectively perform a chemical lobotomy that makes their subjects much more cooperative and “easier to handle”. They also have a 5 – 10% rate of violent, bizarre homicidality/suicidality as a “side effect”.
    These drugs are now being prescribed at a 10x higher rate for such conditions as nail biting, bed wetting, weight loss and “I just broke up with my girlfiend”. Big Pharma pays Harvard psychiatrist millions of dollars each to endorse the use of these drugs on children as young as 6, despite the fact that most are not approved for such use and that long term use causes provable brain damage. Part of their racket is reflected by the fact that poor children who qualify for Medicaid are prescribed at a 4x higher rate.
    So welcome to Zombie Nation where we deal with the angst of a tripling of oil prices, an unsustainable suburban culture and a planetary climate emergency by popping another pill or 2 or 3.

  65. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    The average person is a dummy and will always know little and understand less. Collapse Watch knows this btw. Thus his Communism is deeper than Ozone’s or Kdog’s – and in accordance with Trotsky, Marx, Lenin, Mao etc. They had contempt for people – far deeper than the True Conservative who knows the People are no greak shakes either – but still made in the Image of God.
    While Americans are fighting the Gun Grab, a united Democrat/Republican Party will legalize tens of millions of illegals. And – everyone of them will be treated better than native born Americans. This wasn’t “supposed” to be done until the Wall was built and e-verify in place. So the Amensty may cause another mass exodus from South of the Border – unless things are already so bad here that it’s not worth it. That will be the end of immigration – when America is just another 3rd World Dump. But that means Social Services will have to go. There are still alot of Whites to be fleeced before that happens.

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  66. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    And the new majority are free from prejudice against the old majority? Liberals hate Conservatives, the Elite hate Conservatives, Blacks and Hispanics hate Conservatives. And Conservative is just another word for Traditional Whites.

  67. stelmosfire January 21, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    Happy MLK day Vlad, I am actually a pretty good dude e.g. “The Big Lewbowski”. I just enjoy poking a thorn thru your sandal. That is what we do at the firehouse. I am the “Grand Marshall” of Ball Busting. The bigger the rise the bigger the laugh. Yea, sure it’s mean. But hey thin skin is like no skin, with practice you will have a turtle shell. So chill out and chuckle once in awhile would you. Lose the hate and learn to love. OH shit, now I sound like Asoka.. Sorry if I offended ya, STELMO

  68. PRD January 21, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Well, I think we can hardly say that a parking lot in Arizona is a gun-free zone. Maybe just on that day?
    Still… A recent article in The Atlantic cited a study that showed thieves break into houses that are occupied (or appear so) at far lower rates than in Britain. One theory: they can’t be sure the homeowner in the US is not armed.
    How many insane losers with mass murder on their minds consider whether they’ll be met with any armed resistance? I’d say zero. Since so many kill themselves when the spree is over, I’d say they’d welcome a fire fight. Say, on the steps of the capitol?

  69. Shakazulu January 21, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    Are there still mentally-functioning citizens left in America who believe Obama is the Leader taking us toward a Brave New World?
    All the rest of us unbelievers can do is sit back and watch reality take us toward Armageddon. Thanks for chiming in JHK with your vision of the future.

  70. Headless January 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    “What I want to know: where is the lone swindled rancher who waits to bushwhack Jon Corzine of MF Global in the parking lots of Easthampton, since the law won’t touch him?”
    THAT…is the question. Surely we won’t have to wait much longer; and after the first, there will surely be a flurry of other assassinations and attempts and a massive fleeing of perps (Corzine types) to the ends of the Earth. And that will be when my faith in this country is renewed, and I will once again have some modicum of belief in its reformability.

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  71. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    Obama told Boehner that there is no spending problem and he’s tired of hearing it. Money is just something to be printed for Leftist morons like this. Hope you’re not like this Vinny.

  72. asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Like Ron Paul, Alex Jones is a Texan Republican politician. Alex Jones promotes Neocon propaganda about as well as Rush Limbaugh does.
    Alex Jones Jones is a sensationalist and fear porn purveyor. He’ll spin any story he can into another example of how they’re preparing to kill or enslave us. He paints government as enemy.
    Government actually helps us by building infrastructure that helps private enterprise to thrive. Entrepreneurs cannot do it by themselves. They cannot build a business without government help in the form of roads, education (if you can read and write), bridges, telecommunication infrastructure, etc. Success comes from joint efforts, collective effort, not solely by individual effort.
    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.” –Barack Hussein Obama

  73. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

    No words have power in and of themselves. Blue collar White Guys all over America do this all the time – insult each other and pretend they didn’t mean it or they’re not hurt by what the other guy said. Then one of them goes too far and is secretly hated there after. Or the conflict immediately flares up then and there. Guess what? The upper classes, starting with the middle/middle even, doesn’t do this. Interesting that they’re on top and you (we, I come from the working class and I know first hand) are on the bottom. You see, they’re nice to each other. They “groom” each other to use Anthropological language. It’s one of the secrets of power, you see. Losers tear each other down.
    What I feel doesn’t matter since we don’t really know each other. But what does matter is that you said what you said – and you believe it. You should own your words about the Virgin Mary. You think she sucks and MLk is great. This is an inversion – putting what is high in the gutter and what is low on top, but it’s what you believe. You should push forward or repent. I don’t see you repenting so you have to go all the way through it and hopefully come out the other side. Start here: http://www.freewebs.com/eridu666/Joy_of_Satan.html

  74. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    I agree that Goverment does have a place and that Libertarians often go too far. But clearly, Goverment has gone beyond its rightful province, and is now running rampant on our rights and on on the private sector. It is idle and idolatry to believe that the Founders intended there to be no private institutions, nothing between the individual and the Federal Goverment – not even the States.

  75. asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    CORRECTION
    If you can read and write and cipher, you have most likely received government help in the form of a teacher or professor who was a government employee. Even if you went to private schools, chances are those teachers received government help to enable them to teach you.

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  76. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    Just had an epiphany: since Liberals typically don’t engage in shit talk with each other, or any kind of mock combat – perhaps that is why they are so incredibly vicious to their ideological opponents. They need hate obejcts for the emotional gratification they don’t get from each other.
    The Green Types are some of the nicest amongst themselves – and some of the most vicious with enemies. Thus the Communist infiltration of Greendom wasn’t a stretch at all.

  77. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    New England’s literacy rate was well over 90% before the creation of the public school system. It has never been that high since. Clearly, this system was created for other reasons than education… Horace Mann and Co were great admirers of the Prussian State dontcha know…
    Of course, the New Eglanders were Yankee Aryans. You’d never get that level of literacy now, public schools, private, home, whatever. The Genetic Capital just isn’t there anymore.

  78. Ozymandius January 21, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    Have a look at Florida from 60 miles up – Google Earth™
    Looks all the world like an autopsied smokers lung full of cancer……

  79. Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    At least the new majority does not have the deep seeded prejudices of the old guard.
    ==============
    deep seated

  80. asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    White, male, and property owners were literate? Or everyone (natives, women, Blacks, etc.) had a literacy rate of 90% … do you have a citation to support your claim of a universal literacy rate of 90%?
    We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great. — Barack Hussein Obama

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  81. Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

    the True Conservative who knows the People are no greak shakes either
    ==========
    milk ;o)

  82. Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    This is a canary in a coal mind if it happens.
    ============
    There is something in the ear of some people that demands a hard T or D sound at the end of certain words. My wife, for example, always says cousint for cousin and her brother (my B-I-L) always says goald for goal. It drives me crazy, of course.
    Since the E and D are adjacent on the keyboard yours might be what is known as a “fat finger” error.

  83. stelmosfire January 21, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    Well Vlad, I see that thorn is still working into your thin skin. Perhaps you should get steel bottomed sandals. Obviously you have no clue about real stress and the way it is dealt with. Throwing verbal jabs is a way to deal with it. It is an art form. Your jabs are true hatred filled comments. You should hide your head in shame .I give it out but I receive plenty in return. You are right about one thing. I don’t believe in the bible and the immaculate conception. I do believe in Jesus but just consider him another one of histories great philosophers. This “my God is better than your God ” bullshit has caused more grief for mankind, and you as a smart fella should admit it to youself. This will be the last of our correspondance.Goodbye.

  84. ront January 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2013/01/obama-inauguration-speech-2013.html?ml=vi_1
    All speech, no matter how sublime and inspiring, is just idle talk unless acted upon and lived up to.

  85. asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    “We ought to face the unpleasant fact that Obama will be remembered as a president of achievement and consequence,” he wrote. “It does not matter if, like I do, you think those achievements are horrible and that their consequences will be worse. Obama’s reversal of the Reagan revolution is here.” –conservative Matthew Continetti

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  86. LifeSupport January 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    What’s life without the occasional what? Can’t quite make it out. Oh, “detour” (had to Google it). Uh, yeah. Fun to take that up a level. “What’s the progress of human society without the occasional detour into, say, resource depletion, including water for irrigation of marginal farmland.”
    “Life is what happens while you’re making other plans”. Oh, wait. That was John Lennon. Well anyway.
    Lot of symbolism in that commercial, intentional or not. Windmills, train with tanker cars, zipping past a (gasoline?) tanker truck in one of the least fuel efficient vehicles available on today’s market. Then there are the cows. None of them with a leg stuck in a fence, though. That would have been too obvious, I guess.

  87. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    Yeah and remember when the White Firemen got the Black Fireman to eat dog food? Racists! (Good One!) He won big in Court and didn’t have to associate with his inferiors anymore. Give me a few million and I’ll eat some dog food too….
    But he was right in one of his points btw: he said the other Firemen would never let him live it down, always barking at him, etc. This is a perfect example of the cruelty I alluded to.

  88. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    All the rest of us unbelievers can do is sit back and watch reality take us toward Armageddon.
    No no no, get up offa your ass walk over to the window, open it up an scream as loud as you can:
    I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

  89. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    The Jon Corzines of the world cannot exist as they do without the aid of their small army of sycophantic technocratic minions. The Enablers. Those who Kiss Up and Kick Down. When things have regressed to a certain point in the future where no one has recourse to the law anymore, this small army should be remembered when any attempts at Justice are meted out. You know who these Technocrats are. Don’t ever forget, because like Dathan the Task Master, even after the Collapse to come, they will show their ugly heads again to perpetuate the injustice inflicted upon us for millenia.
    Never Again!!!

  90. Raindogs January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    You suppose McAlvaney brings up his Y2K fearmongering while tooling around soothsaying in his SUV?
    I doubt it. Just another conservative Christian with all the answers.

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  91. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    Yes, that one was my fat finger. My mind knows a mine just fine.

  92. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    The Genetic Capital just isn’t there anymore.
    Yeah, the Indians got wiped out.

  93. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

    Yes, I am a Master of the very thing I condemn. . And yes, who has the thin skin now? By way of explanation, I’m not against hatred, but rather against hating the wrong people. Hating your male co-workers is inappropriate. Hating MLK and his minions is.
    Seriously, think about what I said. You and I were both raised to be losers. Well functioning people in Real Cultures don’t tear each other to shreds for shits and giggles and then pretend they didn’t just do that or that it didn’t hurt.
    Also in you Game, surely you must have realized that there are Limits? Are Mothers on the Table? No? Then why insult the Mother of Christ? You KNEW that was forbidden yet you did it anyway. And no, Goverment has killed more people than Religion ever did. I admit that these two were often indistinguishable and that one of the glories of America was to make them so. Liberals have distorted this to make Religion evil – and create a new Civil Religion with Black Messiahs.

  94. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    You are a vampire and I thust a steak into your ‘art.

  95. HenryMorgan January 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    4 more years with ‘The Last King of Scotland’.
    What’s this place going to look like in 2016?
    Saw in NYT whites will be a minority in California by the end of the year. That will make a lot of people happy. As for me, I’m surprised it took so long.
    I went into Hartford today. I looked around and wondered, “What’s going to happen when the foodstamps, welfare checks and section 8 payments stop rolling in? That is all thats’s keeping this place going?” Its not going to be pretty.
    –HM

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  96. HenryMorgan January 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    You are right about one thing, Vlad. MLK day is the High Holy Day with the Libs and the Left. It used to be May Day but that got a little discredited when they found out Chairman Mao and Comrade Stalin liquidated 100 million human beings beween them in the Workers Paradise. Not that they care, but its a little embarrassing.
    –HM

  97. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

    You have a fat head: the Conquest of the Indians and their dispossession was necessary for America to be born. If you regret this, then leave. To regret and stay is to be existentially inauthentic. So put on your black beret and go back to Europe, Whitey. Write to us from a Cafe in Paris.
    The Blacks, Indians, and now the Mexicans have made it clear that they want us off this continent. Why are you still here?

  98. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

    Obama plans to mix the Gun Grab with Obamacare using the CHILDREN. Kids are going to be asked in school if Daddy has a gun. If that is scary, etc. In other words, without even knowing it, the kids are going to be turned into Rats. Imagine the guilt this will cause when the Police come. Imagine the anguish to the Parents if the child is taken away.
    Face it Ront: we are in the Presence of Pure Evil exactly the same as under Mao or Stalin or Trotsky (sorry Jgang, the mass executions started under him. Can’t blame everything on the “Romans”)

  99. Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

    Did you see my late nite post to you?
    Also I looked up ‘deep seeded’ and the scribes
    on the web agree its ‘deep seeded’.

  100. Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

    Describe this place, ‘Hartford’.
    And what of the places from yr childhood you
    tried to go back to?

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  101. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    Continuing with the movie theme, has anyone seen this excellent movie?
    Life of Pi
    It deals with many of the issues discussed in this space.

  102. Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Did you see my late nite post to you?
    Yes, but I can’t locate “the Talk.” Post a link.
    “Also I looked up ‘deep seeded’ and the scribes
    on the web agree its ‘deep seeded’.

    Your scribes are wrong, see following (and numerous others at Google):
    Which is correct “deep-seeded” or “deep-seated”? -Yahoo! Answers
    answers.yahoo.com › … › Education & Reference › Words & Wordplay
    5 answers – Nov 26, 2006
    Top answer: G’day Richard K, Thank you for your question. Deep-seated is correct. It means deeply-rooted or deep beneath the surface.

  103. Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

    With regard to O, b am..a’s speech, is there a name for the kind of mental illness characterizing extreme cynicism and lack of sincerity, where someone mouths the words, but doesn’t believe in anything that he’s saying? Thanks.

  104. djc January 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm #

    I agree with this post.

  105. Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

    In the future dystopia in which the government comes to dominate the economy and most “good paying” jobs accessible to average blokes are in “the government”, people will seek to disassociate themselves from decent, non-conformist, free-thinking people and/or people who they fear might compromise their careers in government due to the omnipresent su..r veill,,ance state. Society becomes a big Shithole….

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  106. Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    How ’bout this for a story-line?
    Set in the late 19th century wild west, a gun-slinger rides into an isolated prairie town that is organized as a t..o tali t,,ari,,an society. The town is called SHIT HOLE. Gun slinger f..cks all the women, shoots all the men and then burns the town ground before then taking a huge crap on it.

  107. Inquiring Mind January 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

    In the past, the oppressors were the monarchs. We handled and go away from that with the Magna Carta and other developments.
    Now it is governments that are the oppressors. Central banks and governments are the primary enemy of the people (actually the people are their own worst enemies for unwittingly electing and re-electing the representatives who are their executioners).
    These central banks need to go. Governments need to become smaller and get out of the way.
    We need a new type of Magna Carta for today.

  108. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    Four more years of Obama will sink the US economy to levels not even imagined today. Continuing to prop up a system with no future shall bring our country to its knees.
    The first time you meet someone listen carefully to what they say. The first thing out of their mouth is often a clear truth or a boldfaced lie. Change we can believe in was the first thing we ever heard Obama say and the truth of that turns out to be no change at all. McAlvaney hit it on the head when he identifed the emergence of a political class of elite career politicians who do not serve the public good but only serve themselves unless by chance the two interests coincide. McAlvaney reasons are to sell financial services true, but so what, that doesn’t make him wrong any more than JHK is proven wrong every time he drives a car.
    Each generation of an established aristocracy becomes more disconnected from their subjects and American politicians are aristocracy. It’s not hereditary unless you consider money is inherited but the characteristic of membership in a separate and superior class, a ruling class, the defining characteristic of any aristocracy is undeniable. So long as self interest and the public duty coincide everything is fine but thats not what we have. Downscaling and re-localizing American life means nothing to quObama and everything else which passes for leadership in this country. Downsizing and living within means does not put money in a politicians pockets and politicians are all about lining their pockets. Politics is their career, their vocation, it is not a civic obligation to them for the two are mutually exclusive.
    That we have lost our way is understandable. Americans worship specialization and confuse efficiency with virtue. Smart in America means knowing a lot about small slivers of the intellectual pie. The smaller the slice you have and the more you know about that little slice the smarter you are. You know your place and within those tiny boundaries and you,- king of nothing fit in. Second place does not count, winning is everything. Consequently it’s natural to believe that a separate ruling class can take care of us far better than we can take care of ourselves. Ask the common man or woman if he or she is better off ruled by experts and by god and apple pie they will agree. Ancient Greeks learned better 2500 years ago and we need a Cleisthenes now for ancient lessons have been forgotten.
    Innovation in a totalitarian state is almost non-existent and American innovation declines with every loss of freedom. At a time when we desperately need new habits and new practices, when nobody in California knows how to build a house without hiring a dozen Mexicans we need help. When everything has been reduced to the turn of a crank and then waiting for magic to happen circumstances which can lead to new ways of doing things are rare Anyone who is lucky enough to have a job is also smart enough to not make any waves and keep their mouth shut. Every vacant job has three people trying to get it and that is not an atmosphere which embraces change. A bit of rain has fallen and now we are mired in mud, it didn’t take much.
    Occasionally the historical record shows men of greatness emerging to lead, a hero who dreams of better worlds. It doesn’t happen all the time but it can, lets hope it does. Lets make it happen.

  109. AMR January 21, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    Here’s another data point of cultural decline in the Anglosphere:
    http://www.thestarphoenix.com/health/Saskatoon+officer+working+Sandy+Hook+memorial/7844628/story.html
    I wouldn’t want to be in PR or command at the Saskatoon Police Services right now, because Constable Scanlon is getting egg all over his agency’s face by publicly promising to dump an unsolicited, very macabre commemorative statue on Newtown. I think I embarrassed one of their Twitter lackeys by calling Scanlon a grief junkie. Oh, well. That’s what happens when your police agency hires the kind of cops who go on the record with that kind of weenie idiocy.

  110. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    That’s the movie the Indian rape victim saw just before she was assaulted. She and the resulting Indian riots were big news last month. Everywhere but in the US that is.

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  111. Mike Moskos January 21, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    No one makes the suburbia is unsustainable argument better than Chuck Marohn of strongtowns.org. (Jim is entertaining as hell, but Chuck gets into the nitty gritty financials). Sitting through his presentation should be required of every city, county, and state official before they take office and spend away our future (because they don’t understand the liabilities of what they’re already responsible to maintain).
    After a lull, lots of new stuff is getting built here in Miami. BUT, it is all stuff in the dense urban core with retail on the ground floor. Seems the South Americans who came to town to buy up the unsold stock built during the last boom (cash deals sold at reduced prices) aren’t interested in the suburbs/exburbs. Thus, builders are responding with more projects in the dense cores. In Miami Beach where there are restrictions about knocking down historical buildings, buildings are getting renovated left and right, usually by stripping the interiors completely and updating everything. This might once again become the walkable city it once was.

  112. ozone January 21, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    But, but… in the artistes rendering, they’s all clamberin’ up through th’ clouds to heb’bn where they’ll be happy happy joy joy wid baby Jeebus forever and ever, amen. Isn’t that what we’ve been popped onto the earth for?
    Why, Saskatoon louts are just as befuddled as our’n! (And just as good spellerers too, from glancing through the comments.) Am these not sings of hope for ar nayshun?

  113. Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    You didn’t click on the link, did you? It’s a surprise.

  114. Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Or, how ’bout this for a story line?
    An unassuming bloke’s relatives come to visit in his house for a week. Relatives turn out to be very auth..or,,itar ian and buy into all the pro..pa,,gan..da and the whole tot..al,,ita,,rian trip.

  115. Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    95% of people are AFRAID….

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  116. KaraokeVox January 21, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

    Was kevin spacey channeling jon corzine in margin call?
    I guess I can say I witnessed history this morning…I certainly got a major history lesson.
    According to sen. Shoemaker, I live on the right side of history. Wow…this nation is arrogant.
    At least with a monarchy they can claim divine ordination and it not be ALL about them and what they are wearing.
    He also appealed to people to look for the good in this administration….because they represent so many bad people? Like a lawyer defending a teenage mass murderer?
    Like corporations legally raping and pillaging the masses?
    What the hell is middle class anymore when they are dying on freeways in excess of military losses? And how does a hat or tshirt or program solidify a moment? 1 million people coming and going on foot is just another shallow biblical allusion. At least woodstock had some real people involved instead of a bunch of stuffy posers who aren’t going to be around in the next 20 years.

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  118. Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#axzz2IaiPTw8R
    Taki is bitter [or pretends to be].
    Back in Greece he knew Arriana. She didnt pay her writers, but got 1/3 billion $!

  119. Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 10:02 pm #

    Clearly JD is smarter, more articulate and more
    ethical than Soto.
    Now ya know why society is messed up.
    Cronyism trumps talent.

  120. kulturcritic* January 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    “Since the armed public is not ready to mount an insurrection against this impudence, the dangerous tension is expressed in morbid and tragic episodes of mass shootings by maniacs against the innocent.”
    I think you got this just right, James

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  121. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    No, and damn I wish you hadn’t made me. Thar she blows and here I spew.

  122. Donny-Don January 21, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

    As JHK points out, we are “stuck” with the suburban sprawl that we have built for ourselves.
    While we can’t easily un-do that, I think it will be interesting to see how suburbia evolves, at some point in the not-so-distant future, to survive (although not thrive) in the Brave New Post-Peak-Oil World.
    Some possibilities:
    – People giving up most of their SUVs for motorcycles or community-operated jitneys that circulate to get them where they need to go.
    – Massive acreages of sod torn out, and replaced with vegetable gardens.
    – Infill and mixed commercial activities invading the currently homogeneous block-after-block of detached, single family housing. By which I mean commercial activities selling actual practical things, such as hardware stores (gasp) and bakeries (gasp) and bicycle repair shops (double gasp).
    – More bike trails and bike lanes that actually GO somewhere … i.e., not just for weekend recreation, but for actually fetching groceries, garden tools, books, duct tape, eggs, fruit tree netting, coffee, bread.
    Of course, proposing any of the above changes in 2013 would throw most homeowners’ associations into apoplectic fits of outrage. And, off course, proposing the above changes in 2033 will just seem like, duh, common sense.

  123. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

    A hero? But of whom and for whom? Us? The Blacks? The Mexicans? This isn’t just Fascist Theory: all these groups have conflicting interests. Our would be Hero will have to choose!

  124. Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    I want to climb into the clouds for the kids too! This is being a space monkey in Fight Club speak.

  125. k-dog January 21, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    I found the Indian gang rape story being the gigantic international story it is getting zero coverage in this mighty cultural juggernaut of ours we call home v-e-r-y interesting. The five defendants are going on trial now and people are screaming for executions.
    Curious how the story is unknown here. It is almost as if someone were controlling our media and only letting the American public see what they want us to see.

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  127. Zed Leppt In January 21, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    The finance minister for the province of Alberta, Canada (the so-called Saudi Arabia of North America) today stated that decreasing royalty payments from bitumen producers will result in a budget deficit that will necessitate borrowing in order for the province to meet its expenses. Overcapacity in American supplies has resulted in a $40 per barrel discount on the oil sands-derived petroleum versus the West Texas Intermediate price. This has significantly cut into the province’s oil royalty revenue and is prompting the provincial leadership to push ever harder for alternate pipeline routes to access offshore oil markets. The most lucrative route being eyed right now is the one to the west coast to access premium priced Asian markets.
    This is the trap Albertans have created for themselves by encouraging rapid oil sands development through low royalty payments from producers. Oil companies borrow billions to build the extraction facilities as fast as possible, then have to keep production going full steam ahead to make the debt payments. If the market is glutted, they search for new customers rather than scaling back production and conserving the resource. Thousands of workers move into the province to build and operate these facilities, bringing their families with them. Thus, more demand for schools, roads, hospitals, shopping centers, housing, sewers, waterworks, electricity, sports facilities, policing, etc, all of which means the government also gets locked into an ever expanding inventory of costly infrastructure to build and maintain. The rush to expand causes labor shortages, so wages rise for skilled workers, further increasing the cost of all this new construction. Property taxes rise for everybody regardless of whether they are benefitting from the boom. Politicians won’t raise the royalty rates for fear of driving new business away. Increasing production quantity is seen as the province’s only path to continued prosperity. Alberta has unwittingly become Seymour in “The Little Shop of Horrors”, the flower shop proprietor who finds himself irrevocably committed to feeding his growing man-eating plant a steady supply of neighbors.
    Alberta has a $7.5 billion royalty trust account that serves as a rainy day fund. The trouble is, it was $15 billion just two years ago and there is a reluctance to bleed this completely dry. Compare this trust fund to Norway’s sovereign energy trust which has around $680 billion in assets, helped by a 2/3 government ownership stake in Statoil, the nation’s largest energy producer. Alberta and Norway both produce about 2 million barrels per day of oil and both incorporate costly extraction infrastructure (offshore platforms in Norway’s case). Based on their respective populations, Norway holds $144,600 in trust per citizen and Alberta $2,027 per citizen. Rather than build up a financial nest egg for the province, all that Canadian oil sand wealth is going into private ownership: stock holders’ accounts, inflated home values, and all the showy toys and baubles purchased by high-wage earners wallowing in the over-heated economy. And what will be left behind after the last gooey dregs of tar sand have been scraped away? Not much in the public’s interest I dare say; a pile of IOUs, a few sports arenas or similar state vanity erections, hundreds of toxic lakes, and a whole lot of heavy equipment operators with nothing left to haul except their household goods to the self-storage locker – future extras in the next generation of “Pawn Stars” reality TV shows.

  128. Zed Leppt In January 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    I just had a look at CNN to see what’s going on at the inauguration. They had a fashion designer on hand to provide detailed commentary on Michelle’s dress. Thanks CNN.

  129. Zed Leppt In January 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    Hey, is that group of Saskatoon memorial builders the same guys who wanted to donate one of those death-plunge amusement park rides to the 9/11 memorial site in NYC?

  130. Cavepainter January 22, 2013 at 12:05 am #

    Think a little deeper about what you’ve written. The operant labels among globalist are “global labor pool” and “human capital”. Make no mistake, global finance and the transnational corporations have successfully colonized all erstwhile sovereign nations. Effectively, you and I aren’t classed anymore as citizens of an independent sovereign nation holding self determination. We’ve instead been “equalized” at market valuation; adjusted to the overpopulation of “human capital” across the globe.
    Get it? Though America has favorable resource/population ratio compared to most of the world, our destiny has been entwined with all those terribly overpopulated nations.
    You see, It didn’t take Kunstler’s apprehension of “ shifting them into this country from regions more rapidly affected by contraction is just dumb”; the folks running the show have bamboozled us with the global free market spiel (bullshit), leading us to believe that the broad middle class of 1970s America can be realized globally.
    The only possible outcome will instead be a very narrow wealth class across the globe, sub layered by another narrow minority of apparatchiks, technicians and functionaries. The rest (Americans now included) will dwindle in number to where abject poverty holds population at stasis level.

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  131. fiedag January 22, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    “What I want to know: where is the lone swindled rancher who waits to bushwhack Jon Corzine of MF Global in the parking lots of Easthampton, since the law won’t touch him?”
    This is not the first time. Careful Jim. Careful.

  132. Zev Paiss January 22, 2013 at 12:37 am #

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  134. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:50 am #

    Well that’s obvious but what would be their angle here? Part of the war on women? I mean asking women not to butcher their unborn children is asking alot I know.
    If I had to pick an angle, I’d say they don’t want to focus on gang rape since that is a Black specialty. That being said, I’m not sure you’re right that it is being ignored. I’ve heard about it several places. Gang rape is huge all over the 3rd World after all. The hundreds of Peace Corps volunteers who have been raped – now that’s a cover up of what should have been a huge story.

  135. Jimmy Drinkwater January 22, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    For the most part, it’s hard to disagree with what you’ve written. I long have concluded close to the same, a global elite bereft of any loyalties other than to themselves and their own class, having more fraternity with their counterparts in London, or Hong Kong or Zurich or Moscow or Riyadh than they do to the rabble taking up space in their own country.
    While in all likelihood I’ll be listening to memorized books recited to each other down at the abandoned rail car yard, we need remember there is no certainty regarding the affairs of men. Anytime the idea of ‘only possible outcome’ arises history has a way of showing things turned on it’s head.

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  136. AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:30 am #

    I don’t think so. The Newtown memorial is the brainchild of a cop who is soliciting help from an EMT he knows. As far as I can tell, he’s emotionally fragile, deals with his emotional fragility in really weird ways, and likes to involve others, including the press, his police agency (indirectly, by naming it in interviews), and various other officials who he figures might validate him by praising his nutcase ideas. One of my Twitter contacts summed him up brilliantly as a “good-natured mush-head.”
    A big part of the problem is that most people are hesitant to call time out on this sort of boundary violation. This emboldens people who would otherwise be reticent about publicizing their own pathos.

  137. AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:39 am #

    Well said. Mike Scanlan has a case of teh crazy.
    What I find disconcerting about this circus is that Canadians living well over a thousand miles from Newtown are getting worked up over carnage that is not endemic to their country, and that they’re being led by a cop. Canadians are less heavily armed than Americans and much less violent. It strikes me that they’re substituting the manufactured reality of American cable news for their own observations. That’s potentially one less anchor for sane Americans to grab in our efforts not to get swept up in ostentatious bereavement and violence worship.

  138. AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    Meanwhile, the Saskatoon Police are about to be armed en masse with Tasers. I have trouble imagining such a brutal, easily abused weapon responsible for so many accidental fatalities being adopted so widely in democratic countries had it been developed in, say, the USSR or Syria.

  139. k-dog January 22, 2013 at 1:47 am #

    I’ve been following the story for a few weeks but not really super close so somebody can read up and straighten me out if I have it wrong.
    Several weeks ago returning from a movie with her date a young woman was raped by five men on a bus. Her boyfriend was disabled by a crack from a steel bar and when they were finished the five threw her from the bus and left her for dead. She did die later in Singapore after being taken there for medical treatment. I believe large scale protest was necessary to get the perpetrators arrested and charged. The sight of thousands of people demanding justice (successfully) was not something the powers that be decided we needed to see. Sort of like target internet ads you could say but on a social rather than individual scale. We were being protected from useless information for our own good. In this case democracy in action and the struggle for women’s rights.
    But if I’m wrong someone please correct me. We don’t want paranoid dogs running around. Here is something to start with.

  140. orbit7er January 22, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    Obama’s Inaugural Address was another paean to “Happy Motoring Forever!”:

    We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together.


    We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories.

    Nothing about Peak Oil, Green Transit, the need to end our Auto Addicted suburban monstrosity. It should be no surprise that neoliberal Obama is supporting neoliberal Gov Cuomo’s plan to waste $5 Billion on a new Autos only Tappan Zee bridge. So much for the brave words from Cuomo about “global Warming” and Climate Change with major causes in Auto Addiction.

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  141. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:45 am #

    To sympathizers of the Democratic Party & Republican Party and any other corporate entities to watch this short video of Dr. Cornel West.
    http://youtu.be/96d_CzrfxsM
    Will you have the courage to stop blindly supporting, pushing, and accepting the Obama agenda that is the entire international capitalist agenda?

  142. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III January 22, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the US public believes is false.”
    -William J. Casey, 1981
    We are there now…

  143. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 9:40 am #

    What a party last night in DC! And tonite, Lady GaGa!
    Those Islamists killing everybody at that NatGas site in Algeria, is that the end of it? Or is it just the beginning? In TLE, Jim talks about something similar occurring on the Arabian Peninsula. There has been much talk of late about the USA becoming ‘Energy Independent’, with no need for Petroleum from NAfrica or the Middle East. We soon may find out if this is true.
    –HM

  144. Tancred January 22, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    “America’s possibilities are limitless, for we possess all the qualities that this world without boundaries demands: youth and drive; diversity and openness; an endless capacity for risk and a gift for reinvention.”
    Uur own president says the “possibilities are limitless” and there are no boundaries. We can “reinvent” our society. So what is with all this doom and gloom talk here at CN? Why is everyone so pessimistic? Here in Atlanta, we’re gonna build a new domed stadium to replace a…well, an existing domed stadium, so that PROVES things are not only good but getting better. And little bungalows are selling at 675K (in the right neigborhood), so housing remains a good value.

  145. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    Yes, thanks for mentioning Casey and Friends. It was the culmination of Operation Mockingbird……for the Intelligence Services to own, create and distribute The News, all of which is misinformation.
    http://www.ctka.net/abc_cap.html

    This week network TV hit a new low with ABC’s airing of its 14 and one-half hour, $40-million dollar “epic,” Amerika. The xenophobic red-baiting engaged in by Amerika is hardly new to TV, but never before has a network spent so much time and money in such a blatant attempt to inspire in its audience jingoistic paranoia toward the Soviet Union and the United Nations. Small wonder that Mikhail Gorbachev complained to visiting American bigwigs earlier this month that “forces to which hostility is profitable … use high-powered information media to sow hatred toward the Soviet Union.”
    The commotion about Amerika has obscured a much more serious problem about network TV, one that could serve to validate Gorbachev’s complaint for years to come. Despite its length and its crass appeal to the dark side of the American character, Amerika is just a TV show. As such, it’s not likely to have much lasting effect. However, that cannot be said of the changes in network ownership and control that have taken place over the last two years. These have transformed at least NBC and ABC from tasteless schlock-meisters merely striving to sell more ads into powerful information gatekeepers with strong ties to established power blocs that have their own aggressive foreign and domestic political agendas.
    At issue in the ABC situation in particular is an extraordinary story overlooked by most of the press and never taken up by congressional investigators: Who actually took over ABC when Capital Cities Communications bought it in March 1985? For “Cap Cities” is no ordinary company, and the takeover was no ordinary case of corporate wheeling and dealing.

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  146. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    Funny you mention the Soviet Union. Right now I’m reading Edvard Radzinsky’s bio of Joseph Stalin. Its a story of blood and terror, the suppression and liquidation of tens of millions of human beings unequaled in the history of the World. Just as interesting is the part where Western Intellectuals — Walter Duranty, John Reed, George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs, Andre Gide, Louis Fuetchwanger to mention a few, — knew the truth but covered it up, deliberately misleading opinion makers in the US and Europe. It wasn’t until the 1970s until the truth was finally revealed.
    –HM

  147. ront January 22, 2013 at 10:19 am #

    K-Dog, I find your “speech” more critical and challenging than was Obama’s offering. It has more of a MLK tone and spirit.

  148. ozone January 22, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    I’d say that it’s just the very beginning. The “jihadis” know that they’ll not be invited to share in the banquet of power and uberwealth. (Same in this country, but that’s info that’s become forbidden to voice.)
    So, okay, what does one do to get “recognized” as a legitimate bloc to feed at the same trough as the head psychos? Produce enough disruption and very real violence (a few martyrs don’t hurt either) producing some very real dead folk, thus proving your sincerity and cold-bloodedness.
    These nice people enjoy cloaking their lust for worldly power, influence, and [sometimes] even goodies with a mantel of godly righteousness. Of course, it’s all about ultimate power and control over others.
    …And sure, if access to this portable energy supply from the M.E. is withdrawn from us, we’ll become energy independent alrighty, just in an extremely impoverished (and suddenly moped-ed) way.
    Now watch this for an example of a serious use of technology in the service of bare-bones practical energy and resource use:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXjqUp1MPwc
    Every home ought to have at least two, don’t you think?

  149. budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    It seems obvious to me that in the, say, four years ahead (one presidential term), we will not come to grips with any of the forces of reality bearing down on us. We will lose control of the money system; we’ll go broke trying to keep up our oil supplies; the American public will get more economically desperate and angry; and pretty soon the practical matters of daily life will become rather harsh.

    Oh, c’mon – please – really? Four years? Really.
    James – can you come over to my house for my Superbowl party? How many gallons, or should I say how many “tankers filled with fuel” will be consumed to provide transport to the fans of the “super Sunday excesses.”
    If the US currently has so much discretionary energy consumption – that tens of millions of people travel to “party(s)” on Super Sunday – please james – please please tell me how it’s all going south in four years?
    More like forty-years – after all, your original idea is the Long Emergency.

  150. ront January 22, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    “A hero? But of whom and for whom? Us? The Blacks? The Mexicans? This isn’t just Fascist Theory: all these groups have conflicting interests. Our would be Hero will have to choose!”
    If folks continue this focus on the conflicts with, and struggling for some greater advantage over their fellow beings, we never will be a team. This is exactly what is promoted by those who seek to control the world.
    If you happen to be black, white, Hispanic, male, female. rich, poor, ugly, attractive, fat, thin, etc, it is a temporary condition. We are spiritual beings having human experiences–a lot of human experiences in a process of reincarnation. If this is not the Fact, than in what lies the meaning of life.
    Why choose to struggle against one another? It’s just an age old habit, addiction which ends up enhancing the feeling of being separate. The Fact is we are ONE Being. Brotherhood is nothing to work toward–it simply IS awaiting your recognition.
    Then we can get down to seeing more clearly, loving more dearly, serving more freely. We then inherit the peace and plenty of our abundant gifts. We free ourselves from our limited ego-minds. Through off the chains of our limited craving, experiencing real creativity and True Spiritual Freedom.
    With hearts filled with Song, our very lives will seek harmony as we join in the a-bun-dance. Throw off the burden NOW!

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  151. ozone January 22, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    Bud,
    Do you really believe we’ve got forty years just to slosh around with, and that none of the present finite systems we have in place is going to crash and burn within that time?
    (Just interested if you’re simply being provocative in this… or what.)
    “The Long Emergency” is a different concept from “The Long Decline”.

  152. bossier22 January 22, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    soumds like high plains drifter with clint eastwood. your a little slow on the draw with that one pardner

  153. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    Just as interesting is the part where Western Intellectuals — Walter Duranty, John Reed, George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs, Andre Gide, Louis Fuetchwanger to mention a few, — knew the truth but covered it up, deliberately misleading opinion makers in the US and Europe. It wasn’t until the 1970s until the truth was finally revealed.

    So the Western Intelligence Services were too stupid to figure any of this out on their own? They had to rely on the prominent “intellectuals” of the day to form their opinions? Hardly.
    Perhaps you missed the fifties. The Red Scare. The murder of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. The message was that Communists were cunning, deceitful murderous monsters. Kind of idiotic to cover it up considering the Red Scare. To do so would have been superfluous.
    However, if you’re in the propaganda business, you would want to cover it up because you wouldn’t want your own population to sympathize with any Soviets. They were all Communists, and Communists were evil and deplorable and not to be trusted. No exceptions. All Russians were poisoned by the malady of Communism, and there should be no sympathy. Such messaging desensitized The Masses into accepting the possibility of wiping them out entirely with nuclear strikes.

  154. budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    (Just interested if you’re simply being provocative in this… or what.)
    “The Long Emergency” is a different concept from “The Long Decline”.

    You misunderstand – my post is an inquiry.
    How the heck are any of these “systems” supposed to fail – if we aren’t even beginning to see a tempering of discretionary energy consumption?
    Suburbia will be the last to fail – not the first. People will stop driving to “ball games” before driving to work from the suburbs.
    We are nearing the resources plateau – but the time-line/edge to declining essential energy consumption is not even on the radar……..
    Why does someone know something?

  155. balkan January 22, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    Every time when somebody proposes something with over the board emotions attached to it there is agenda behind it. In poor sacks’ case the motive, without sometimes even being aware of it, is that some decades from now while walking with his grandkids around “memorial” he can say: “It was me who did this”. Present time adoration would not have been unwelcomed either. Idiot wants something to be called after him.
    Nobel Prize Bosnian writer in one his short stories depicted such a character, small 19th century town local who helped visiting master builder to erect a new cross on the local church spire. After master builder “collected a final payment and left the town”, this former “Mr. nobody” decided that he deserves more respect from towns’ people because “he was way up there, defying fear and gravity, unlike any of them”. Whole story is brilliantly rendered torment of his soul after being ignored, as people went about they own daily business.
    As for the calculated over-the-board-emotions attached to a message, politicians use this to deceive or expedite rallying of masses to “support” anything they want to do. I do not have to list many recent examples.

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  156. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    To sympathizers of the Democratic Party & Republican Party and any other corporate entities to watch this short video of Dr. Cornel West.
    ===========
    ^This^ is not a sentence.
    I have three suggestions for Cornel West: Shave, get a haircut, see an orthodontist…then maybe I won’t be so distracted and will be able to pay attention to what he has to say.

  157. ozone January 22, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    CW,
    You sounded the warning bell at midnight last night. We’ll see how many/few heed it.
    Yes, disinformation “outlets” are shifting into higher and higher gears (as technology allows), all in the service of the world-killers. The race to watch will be the one between looming, inevitable collapse and complete domination and control. The dynamic of the death-by-a-thousand-cuts will determine flow and direction; successes and failures.

  158. ozone January 22, 2013 at 11:39 am #

    Thanks for the clarification.
    As to timelines, I have no answers, only vague speculations. (Certainly not 40 years of status quo/BAU.) I stand by my guess that only a sudden deprivation will force duh peepull to find a “different way to inhabit the landscape” [tm JHK]. How long this determinant “loss” can be held at bay by perception management or desperate measures is an open question. I don’t think we have any concrete access to the real skinny; as seen above, only in hindsight do we see the plans, resources and stats the PTB have at their disposal.
    Oh, did you see Donny-don’s post? (10:30 PM) There’s another possible scenario for the suburban near-future. We could only hope that such common sense would prevail… but I ain’t placing any bets on it. ;o) (…And the politicians, who are supposed to be our reflections, don’t seem to be aware of [or give a shit about] these pragmatic ideas.)

  159. mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    “Collapse and chaos are inevitable, nothing we can do to stop it.”
    Kind of like rape, grouchy old bitch. Guess you should just lean back and enjoy it.

  160. mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    “… it is a good thing that they are out-voted by the new majority. ”
    Sure it is Dick. The new majority is demanding more toys with no way to fund them. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Thank god these fucktards will be running things now.

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  161. mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    Hey fucktard, the Obama speech (“You didn’t build that.”) that you cite as some sort of brilliant example of government’s success has been discredited by all but the dimmest of the dim. Thanks for stepping forward with this wonderfully, moronic snippet.

  162. mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    “deep seated”
    Hey fuck lips, there is nothing wrong with using the term deep seeded. In fact I think it much stronger than deep seated if one is trying to describe a deeply held conviction. So, shut the fuck up.

  163. mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    “It drives me crazy, of course.”
    Of course. They probably pronounce things that way for that very reason.

  164. ront January 22, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Or close your eyes and listen–way more practical and responsible.

  165. balkan January 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm #

    This morning listened to NPR on a way home after dropping my son to school. Talk was about yesterdays’ coronation. What strikes me is the even, matter-of-fact tone of bit “assertive” male and calm, raspy female voices of commentators depicting the event. There was nothing out of ordinary that they are aware of, and all is good.
    The “Oath”, protection of The Constitution is better than ever, middle class and little man not to worry. Sound clips from inaugural ball were meant to show unrestrained joy. Interweaved participants in that charade were full of excitement, for obviously different reason: that they are there and nothing else matters.
    If John Corzine or any of the ”Gang” was honorable guest and seated next to the president there would have not been elevated or God forbid even slight critical tone even on that radio station, supposedly critical voice of America. Raspy female would have smoothed it out with s-l-o-o-o-o-w, calm observation about their tie design, companion, or something.
    It takes a village to hold a wail up.

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  166. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:13 pm #

    Hey fuck lips, there is nothing wrong with using the term deep seeded. In fact I think it much stronger than deep seated if one is trying to describe a deeply held conviction.
    ===========
    Well, penis breath, I and most others, according to numerous articles you may access via Google, beg to differ. And besides that you’re a dickwad.;o)

  167. mistified January 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Oh, so it is incorrect for a person to string the words “deep seeded” next to each other? It is incorrect? Because assholes, such as yourself, are sitting around waiting for someone to use “deep seated” in a sentence and someone instead chooses, “deep seeded” that makes it wrong? I don’t think so. And neither would ANY rational soul. So, go fuck yourself, douche-drizzle.

  168. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

    “Therefore, my assertation that whatever Kunstler pronounces is being assiduously ignored by the general population and their “leaders” still holds.”
    -‘zone-
    Some good points, yesterday and today, O3.
    I’ll still maintain that the “leaders” from Bidz’ness and big govt are mostly on the right of the spectrum, where Grow, GROW is the mantra – even unto death. And I’ll still maintain that most/many of those bozos truly BELIEVE that “we Americans are the hardest working people in the world and that growth will solve all of our problems, forevermore.” -RW Bozo, paraphrased-
    The real failure of leadership is from the left, failure to do anything worthwhile about environment or overpopulation – as a way of slowing the sacred “Growth” before it’s too late.
    Of course, “leadership” on the left has mostly been bought out WHOLESALE, by money from the big business right. Here’s the worst example, IMO, but there are many others if one knows where to look.
    http://www.susps.org/
    =================
    In other areas, ozone, you are correct that lead and brass can become the real precious metals – when coupled with proper propellant powder. It’s interesting that our local Wally World has been sold out of most everything of that nature, for about a month, now.
    I wonder if that’s a Nationwide phenomena?

  169. mistified January 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    “growth will solve all of our problems, forevermore”
    Are you suggesting that shrinkage will solve our problems? If so may I suggest that you lead by example and help shrink our population?

  170. Jimmy Drinkwater January 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    I remember taking my 12 year old son and his friend to see the original Men in Black movie. They had fun, for me it was mostly droll but there was one classic line:
    The W Smith character was wrestling with and trying to subdue an alien, which got away.
    T L Jones arrives at the scene and said:
    “Did he say anything to you?”
    W Smith: “Yeah, the world was coming to an end.”
    T L Jones deadpans with a straight face:
    “Did he say when?”

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  171. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    “How the heck are any of these “systems” supposed to fail – if we aren’t even beginning to see a tempering of discretionary energy consumption?”
    -bud iz wiser than beer-
    Bud, we’re seeing it now. For example, the outer, outer ring suburban developments from the RE peak of ’07, are still sitting boarded up and unfinished. Pine trees are starting to take root in the abandoned streets. I doubt those places will ever be built for housing, not if gas stays above $3.00/gallon.
    And there’s a LOT less movement of big RV’s on the road these days, compared to 5 years ago.
    Absent some triggering catastrophe – which can be anything from angry Arabs to a natural solar storm – we’re not going to “see” sudden changes in discretionary energy use.
    But close your eyes for 5 years like Rip Van Winkle – and you’ll see plenty of change when you wake up.
    Picture $10.00/gallon – that will be something to “see,” won’t it.

  172. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    P2C, where is Wallyworld?
    Is it near Itchy and Scratchy Land?
    –HM

  173. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

    “Are you suggesting that shrinkage will solve our problems?”
    -mystified, aka not-mommy, aka TootSie-
    Shrinkage is inevitable, eventually, Toots.
    I don’t have to “suggest” that, because various physical and biological laws compel it.
    And, misti, your rape comment to Grouchy was about the most vile thing you’ve come up with lately, and that’s saying a lot.
    You wanna’ borrow some of my precious metals and put misti out of our misery, Grouch?
    Just let me know what caliber or gauge you prefer, and I can probably help you out.
    ========================
    On a side note, mysty, your response to PRD? about mass murders in “gun free zones” was completely accurate.
    Blind hog meets acorn – every once in a while?

  174. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    Hey CW the Rosenbergs were Atomic Spies who sold state secrets to a reprehensible, murderous regime that wanted to destroy us. That’s two people executed who really were spies. The other side, the Soviets, to whom the Rosenbergs owed their loyalty, in the Great Terror 1936-1939, and again in the Anti-Semitic campaigns 1947-1953, liquidated millions of innocent people in execution cellars, Gulags and Labor Camps for nothing at all, just to maintain terror. There is no comparison.
    As far as intelligence services go, the US didn’t really have one until the OSS was set up in the 40s.
    –HM

  175. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    “Why choose to struggle against one another? It’s just an age old habit, addiction which ends up enhancing the feeling of being separate. The Fact is we are ONE Being. Brotherhood is nothing to work toward–it simply IS awaiting your recognition.”
    -ront-
    That is some PRETTY New Age Prose, ront!
    Just a hunch – you’ve never been seriously hungry or in fear for your life due to the actions of another, have you?

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  176. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    matter-of-fact tone of bit “assertive” male and calm, raspy female voices of commentators depicting the event.
    ===========
    Thanks Balkan, I thought it was only me that notices such things. The raspiness you speak of is a speech affectation that has evolved over the past few decades to the point of no longer being an affectation and is prevalent primarily among women and, to a slightly lesser extent, among gay men of the flaming variety. There is actually a clinical term for this phenomenon. It is called “vocal fry” in linguistics circles. In this same group of speakers you are also likely to find in play another recent phenomenon of speech termed “up talk” where nearly every declaritive sentence is turned into a question by an upward inflection of the voice at the end. If you are not already familiar with these terms I encourage you to Google them.
    I nearly broke the remote this morning in my haste to hit the mute button as one of these vocal fry women was excitedly describing the outfits of Michelle and her daughters.

  177. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    War is the very essence of embodied life. Read the Bhagavad Gita. And as you know now, Gandhi wasn’t a pacifist either. The trick is not to make war illegal – since that could only be done by an absolute Tyranny. But rather to be so strong that no one dares invade you.
    What you want is only normal in Satya Yuga. That may not be for a while: estimates vary from millions to billions of years, though some say next week.
    Buddha said, Struggle there must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. Buddha was a Ksyatria after all, the warrior/ruling caste. And one who attained the Far Shore was known as an Arhat, a Foe Destroyer.
    Your posts show the role that Eastern Religions can play in the setting up of an absolute World State – the terrifying one predicted in the Bible.

  178. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

    every declaritive sentence is turned
    ===========
    Correction:
    declarative

  179. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    The Communists weren’t vicious decievers? Is that what you’re saying? Sounds like you are a sympathizer.

  180. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    I think I read a part of that in a bookstore. Look for the part where the young Stalin runs down the steet whooping “I’ve got a job with the Rothschilds”.
    The author admits his puzzlement but asserts that it seems the world’s bankers supported Communism. That’s where the Communists got their money: from the Bigest Bank of All.

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  181. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    Oh, so it is incorrect for a person to string the words “deep seeded” next to each other?
    ==========
    People can string together any words they’d like, Shit-for-brains, so long as they could care less about looking stooopit.

  182. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    Hey CW the Rosenbergs were Atomic Spies who sold state secrets to a reprehensible, murderous regime that wanted to destroy us. That’s two people executed who really were spies.

    How many spies were executed before and since? The Rosenbergs were symbolic scapegoats. The so-called “secrets” they peddled were harmless. In fact, it was ridiculous to think the Soviets could have done anything with what the Rosenbergs allegedly gave them. They were political sacrifices every bit as much as Morant and Handcock were. Here’s an excellent documentary about the Rosenbergs by their granddaughter. They were brave. Naive, yes, but also brave.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388996/

    The other side, the Soviets, to whom the Rosenbergs owed their loyalty, in the Great Terror 1936-1939, and again in the Anti-Semitic campaigns 1947-1953, liquidated millions of innocent people in execution cellars, Gulags and Labor Camps for nothing at all, just to maintain terror. There is no comparison.

    Not going to argue with you about the atrocities of the Soviet Union against it sown people. Stalin was despicable piece of shit and what he did to the Russian people was a tragedy, but the Rosenbergs didn’t have to be sacrificed for political purposes. In principle, it was an act of terror to stifle all dissent and underscore conformity. The same thing Stalin did with his terror campaign, albeit, as you say, in scale, there was no comparison. In principle, the purpose and effect were equivalent.
    And if you’re so concerned about traitors and treason, and the U.S. Government is so concerned, then how come there hasn’t been a long list of treasonous traitors executed for giving the country away? Ollie North anyone? Reagan? Bush I and Bush II. Clinton? Obama? All of guilty of treason in the first degree, and countless others, but somehow they’ve miraculously avoided execution. You, HW, are a bully. The Rosenbergs were Strawmen erected and burned to set an example. It worked. They were murdered in Cold Blood.

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  184. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    The Communists weren’t vicious decievers? Is that what you’re saying? Sounds like you are a sympathizer.

    There were never any Communists, just as there were never any Capitalists…only those who thought they were. What they actually were, and still are, is something quite different. Both groups are vicious deceivers, that’s for certain.
    Sympathy should reside against any form of tyranny, be it disguised as Communism, Capitalism or anything in between.

  185. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

    Where is the room for diversity in your vision? Traditionally, Liberals have been repelled by such visions – the classic being Plato’s Republic. The Church for example, overlooked Plato for Aristotle – who admitted Quantity and Variety as being important. In correction to his Master, he said that you never see a Principle or Archetype but only relative examples of these. To see Forms in their Purity is for the Few, the Sages in their meditation.
    Or from another angle: you think Mexicans and Blacks are going to renounce their ethnic identities? These are all important to them. Only Whites are so weak and gullible to do something like that on command. Or look at the Jews: they had two thousand years of living with others, have they renounced their oppositional culture?
    I admit that it can happen, but it can’t be predicted or dictated or even expected. Usually one Culture destroyes or displaces another. Occasionally, two cultures merge – such as the Arab/Negro in parts of the Somali coast. But again, it takes a long time and it cannot be forced or predicted. And it usually doesn’t happen.

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  186. k-dog January 22, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Ty, not hard really. I’m a lazy dog. Speaking the truth is so much easier than speaking lies.
    100 years of natural gas he says. And we have plenty of oil he says. Enough to export even.
    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Chomp.
    From last week. Checked my numbers. Introducing the K-Dog coefficient.
    1 barrel of oil = 158.987 liters which is also equal to 158.987 cubic decimeters
    158.987 cubic decimeters * ( 1 cubic meter / (10^3) cubic decimeters) = 0.158987 cubic meters
    Result: 1 barrel of oil consumes 0.158987 cubic meters of space.
    Multiply by a trillion to move us into the ballpark of global reserves.
    1 trillion barrels = 0.158987 x 10^12 cubic meters
    0.158987 x 10^12 cubic meters * ( 1 cubic kilometer / (1000^3) cubic meters) =
    158.987 cubic kilometers
    The cube root of 158.987 is 5.4174. This will be useful later.
    1 trillion barrels of oil consumes 158.987 cubic kilometers of space.
    The area of Texas = 696,200 square kilometers.
    (158.987 cubic kilometers) / (696,200 square kilometers) = .00022836 kilometers
    .00022836 kilometer * ( 1000 meters / 1 kilometer ) = .22836 meter
    .22836 meter * ( 39.3701 inches / 1 meter) = 8.9906 inches
    call it 8.99
    ❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧
    A trillion barrels of oil poured over the state of Texas would cover the state to a depth of 8.99 inches or 1 kdog.
    1700 billion barrels is the remaining global oil reserve.
    The remaining global oil reserve would cover the state of Texas to a depth of 1.7 kdogs.
    Multiplying by the kdog coefficient ( 8.99 )gives a depth of 15.3 inches.
    The remaining global oil reserve would cover the state of Texas to a depth of 15.3 inches.
    1 kdog is equivalent to a cube of space 5.4174 kilometers or 3.3662 miles on a side.
    ❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧
    One 3.3662 mile cube of oil is all we have for all future generations of mankind. We need to get offa our asses and get to work going solar. That includes wind and everything else renewable.
    Woof!

  187. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    Do you admit then the final piece of the puzzle? That it was always the Rothschilds and their followers that created and funded Communism?
    I admit that the Big Capitalists don’t believe in Capitalism. Competition is for suckers, is a “sin”.
    The Jews of that time, such as the Rosenbergs, saw Communism as their vehicle for World Domination. Now they are using Captialism and Socialism to transition to World Goverment (Tyranny). It is our sacred duty to oppose them. Of course I admit the Gentile aspect. After the Rothschilds tricked the English by saying Napoleon had won and bought up everything, the King could have thrown them out with nothing but the shirts on their back. That he didn’t shows he was in on it.

  188. balkan January 22, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    veil – EASL!
    Wish I could write as I could draw…

  189. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    Do you admit then the final piece of the puzzle? That it was always the Rothschilds and their followers that created and funded Communism?

    The Russian Revolution and the form of Government that replaced Tzarist Russia required financing, and yes, that financing came from Western interests. The subsidization of the Soviet Union continued unabated until the end, but effectively, the Soviet Union was done when Stalin died…it just took several decades for the last gasp. That’s the naughty little secret. Stalin and the Soviet Union were the best thing that ever happened to the Western Plutocracy. They could now point their finger and say “look over there if you think you have it so bad” as they robbed the world blind.
    Centralization leads to concentration of wealth and power which leads to tyranny. The key is to decentralize and diversify. Make the psychopaths work for it…one person at a time, and deprive them of the tremendous leverage centralization provides.
    I will give Stalin and the Soviets credit for kicking the German’s ass in World War II. That was an impressive comeback. The Soviets backs were against the wall at Stalingrad, and they somehow pulled it out and reversed the momentum. The world, including the Jews, owe thanks to them for that, at least. Without that, the Jews were toast…because the U.S. sure as hell wasn’t going to bail them out.

  190. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

    Hey Vlad, much of the early $$$ that financed the Bolsheviks consisted of artwork, jewelry and vestments looted and stolen from the Holy Russian Church, Museums, private estates and the Czars palaces and family. John Reed, for example, was initially paid off with $2 million in looted diamonds. The first thing Lenin got down to, besides banning books, was dynamiting churches and executing priests … by the tens of thousands. A lot is made of the Nazis and the artwork they stole in conquered Europe. The Marxists did the same thing, robbing churches and museums that went back 1000 years. They also like to blow up and loot Synagogues and murder Rabbis. Nobody escaped. Nothing like it had ever happened in the history of the world, and maybe nothing ever will.
    –HM

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  191. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    The Jews of that time, such as the Rosenbergs, saw Communism as their vehicle for World Domination.

    No way. The Rosenbergs may have been Jews, but they were not the Rothchilds. They lived a rather meager existence, by comparison. The Rosenbergs were attracted to the idealism that the theory of Communism espoused, and they believed, at least for a time, that the Soviet Union was about that. They were naive and duped by Stalin, as many Communists in the U.S. were. Remember, it was not abnormal to be a Communist in the U.S. once upon a time. The Red Scare changed all that.

  192. ront January 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Enjoy your gender, culture, community, creed, circumstances, only don’t take it more seriously than your Being. Lasting values need to have their primacy over fleeting pleasures, short-lived comforts, and ego-enhancing identifications.
    Look around, the Lord loves variety!

  193. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Various Masters have said there are worse things than War – such as Cowardice and Capitulation to Tryranny. Meher Baba himself (Ront’s Guru) wrote an essay saying that war often bring out the best in men. Ront is ignoring this as well as Baba’s rejection of abortion.
    Disciples are supposed to be dyed in colors of their Gurus; to become “Guru Mukh” mouthpieces of their Gurus. Ront is failing in this – he’s choosing the New Age over his Guru.

  194. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    There you go, we’re off to the races! The massacres started with Trotsky and Lenin. As ever, the Jews try to evade all repsonsibility for the evil they have done.
    Lenin was heard screaming at Trotsky for his order to kill the Czar and his Family.

  195. ront January 22, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Speaking of tyranny:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/01/18/the-institutionalization-of-tyranny-paul-craig-roberts/

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  196. k-dog January 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    I like this one better.
    201 inch TV
    Think of it. One long video cable and we could all sit outside and write clusterfuck comments in style.
    Not today though, I have fog so thick I wouldn’t be able to see the screen.
    Is there something wrong with me because I’m not totally bone away and impressed because all I see is something that is less useful than the screen I’m looking at.

  197. budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    I doubt those places will ever be built for housing, not if gas stays above $3.00/gallon.

    Of course. But, as long as our government can print dollars into existence we have no good way of determining how $many are available to buy more gas.
    After years of believing that financial sector collapse was inevitable – and that it would collapse the rest of the economy – it now seems more reasonable to look for insight into current consumption patterns for any time frame predicting social upheaval.
    When the NFL reports receding revenues from the Superbowl – you can be sure collapse is closer to reality. Eventually truly high inflation-adjusted ga$ prices are certain mean collapse is near as well. You know – when there money or energy to waste anymore.

  198. budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    You know – when there [no more] cheap money or energy to waste anymore.

  199. k-dog January 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

    The bling of The Russian Orthodox Church was nothing compared to the splendor of ancient times. I want to know what happened to the table of the divine presence.
    Who’s got it?

  200. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Dozens of millions of Human Beings were liquidated in Russia 1917-1956.
    CW, this ones for you:
    “We have the testimony of witnesses present at Meyerhold’s interrogations. One of the 20th century’s greatest theatrical producers lay on the floor with a fractured hip and blood streaming down his battered face while an interrogator urinated on him. He was accused of belonging to a Troskyist Organization and engaging in espioniage on behalf of four countries: Japan, England, France and Lithuania. Pasternak, Shoshtakovich, Olesha, and Ehrenburg all made their appearance in the stenographic record of Meyerhold’s interrogation, the dramatis personea in what was meant to be a unique spectacle”
    Here’s what happened to Meyerhold’s wife, actress Zinaida Raikh, when she enquired about her husband.
    “Assassins broke into her apartment through the balcony door. They (the NKVD) murdered her slowly and sadistically, inflicting 17 knife wounds. She screamed wildly but nobody came to her aid. Cries in the night frightened people in those days”.
    –Edvard Radzinsky
    There’s you glorious Communists, CW.
    –HM

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  201. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    But how did they get far enough to do that was the question. They had massive funding from somewhere – the book (if it’s the same) admits that Rothschilds were involved. And they did have some help from the foolish goverment of Germany who unleashed them on Russia during the WW1.

  202. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    And where there is variety, there will be War – which is better than the absolute Peace of World Tyranny.
    Variety calls for morality – which means sacrafice. Are Jews on the West Bank willing to sacrafice their swimming pools so Palestinians can have a drink of water? I doubt it. So that’s war.

  203. Jam47 January 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    The antipathy between the Ukrainians and the Jews goes back at least to the time (17th century) when Poland’s aristocracy employed Jews to manage their estates in the Ukraine.
    When Stalin began his war on the Ukrainians, he made good use of the enmity between these two groups. The details are laid out in Uri Selzkine’s “The Jewish Century.” Kevin MacDonald reviews Selzkine’s book in an essay entitled “Stalin’s Willing Executioners.” Stalin’s assault on the Ukrainians has a racial angle to it that most historians of the period seemed either to have ignored or been unaware of.
    A few years ago, an academic named Goldhagen (I think) came out with a book in which he claimed that most Germans knew full well that Auschwitz was a murder camp. The book was entitled “Hitler’s Willing Executioners.” Now when MacDonald writes an essay to demonstrate that numerous Jews held administrative posts in the machine that sent two million Ukrainians to their deaths, he calls it(borrowing a phrase from Selzkine) “STALIN’S Willing Executioners.”
    What a world we live in.

  204. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

    You’re not paying attention, HW, and you’re not in agreement with Radu. There were no Communists…..only those who thought they were. Communism was always just a theory. The same for Capitalism. What you describe are the actions of Totalitarian Tyrants. They come in many shapes and sizes and speak many different languages, but they all share one thing in common. OPPRESSION.
    Totalitarian Tyranny wasn’t defeated with the capitulation of the Soviet Union. The other strains filled the void, i.e. Corporatism. Anyone who has worked for a Corporation knows it is a Totalitarian Tyranny and very much like Stalinism. Try standing against it. It will destroy you, just as Stalin destroyed his perceived enemies. And yet, HW supports this newer, improved form of Stalinism. HW is a Totalitarian Tyrant. HW is not to be trusted. He despises freedom, liberty and self-determination, and embraces conformity, uniformity, centralization and concentration of wealth and power.

  205. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    Comrade Stalin, Beria, Molotov etc. would have been surprised to learn they were not Communists. A statement like that in 1938 in Moscow would earn you a fast trip to the execution cellars in the Kremlin.
    As far as corporations go, they don’t have their own police forces or prisons. If you don’t like the corporation you’re working for, just quit. That’s all. I’ve done it. So have many others. Its called freedom.
    –HM

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  206. mistified January 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    “People can string together any words they’d like, Shit-for-brains, so long as they could care less about looking stooopit.”
    Obviously. You do so regularly. Deep seeded stupidity would explain many of your missives. Deep seated stupidity would apply as well.

  207. mistified January 22, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    “And, misti, your rape comment to Grouchy was about the most vile thing you’ve come up with lately, and that’s saying a lot.”
    Well thanks, not-progressive, that is an honor. I’ll make an effort to top this comment when the occasion calls for it.

  208. San Jose Mom 51 January 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    Cornel West is like taking a scouring pad to my retinas.
    I am irritated when speakers yell to their audience. I don’t yell, and I prefer others to speak in a regular voice.

  209. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    As far as corporations go, they don’t have their own police forces or prisons.

    Sure they do. They have the entire Military Industrial Complex at their disposal as one of their divisions. They own the politicians at the local, state and federal level, and they own the police. The police work for them, and they are the prisons, both literally and figuratively. HW, you are a regular Uncle Joe. The sad thing is, you fail to see him in your mirror because of those planks in your eyes.

  210. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 4:59 pm #

    Comrade Stalin, Beria, Molotov etc. would have been surprised to learn they were not Communists.

    I doubt it. Trotsky didn’t consider them Communists, nor did a number of Communist Purists. Of course, you’re right, Stalin killed many of those critics off. In this whole charade, you appear as the Uncle Tom to Uncle Joe, standing dutifully at his shoulder whispering in fawning tones, “that’s right, Master Joe, youse is a Communist. Don’t listen to those traitors who say you’re not. Execute them.”

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  211. balkan January 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Do not even go there unless you enjoy “Pavlov’s’ reaction” (how communist!)to that magic word.
    Some pedophiles call themselves a Catholic Priests but no sane person would equate them with Catholicism. With Communists it is apparently different story.
    Communism had never existed. Millions of ordinary folks in “Eastern Block” who joined the Party did that from fear of Stalinist leaders at the beginning and inertia in later years. They were simply being born into that system, indoctrinated in a way no different than “free market” and “democracy” that is in here. Joined the Party in similar manner as “sheeple” in US hopped on shopping spree and by some innate desire to steal somebody’s wealth.
    For Communism to work entire population had to have such a level of personal integrity, honesty and social consciences like Ayn Rand’s capitalist (sic) counterparts.
    Alas and we read and follow the same blogs.

  212. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    Precisely.

  213. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    Variety calls for morality – which means sacrafice. Are Jews on the West Bank willing to sacrafice their swimming pools…
    ============
    You have been unfailingly consistent in the misspelling of the bolded word above for the 4.5 years I’ve known you. Odd, since it’s at the heart of Catholicism. The word is spelled sacrifice, Vlad. Whenever it comes up in something you are writing keep saying to yourself sack-ree-fice, sack-ree-fice, not sack-ruh-fice.

  214. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    I am irritated when speakers yell to their audience.
    ==============
    Yeah Mom, that too. It would be interesting to see a thought bubble above the heads of each other person on that panel during West’s rant. I’m guessing those bubbles’ contents would be consistently unflattering.

  215. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    I never knew. What else am I overlooking? Probably the Secret of the Graal or Tesla’s “Free” Energy. He said the Secret was clear from the static created by touching a cat in winter. My cat has been very staticy lately. She keeps getting a shock when I touch her nose. Should I attach a wire to her and try to charge a battery? I think the Secret is buried deeper…
    Anyway, I’ll try to remember that i. I guess I’ve been spelling it the way I say it and/or hear it.

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  216. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

    Radu is a Catholic?

  217. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    You’re almost Home. Now for the Final Revelation: the Bankers ARE almost all Jewish. And the Jews support them, wisely or not, for that reason. The Rothschilds did give alot of aid to the new state of Israel and at least one of them is on some of the money I believe.
    In Solzhenitsyn’s new book, Two Hundred Year Together, he talks about how hard it is to have a real conversation with the Jews. He acknowledges that others took part in the Atrocities and in the Revolution, the Ukranian Whites also committed atrocities on a wide scale.
    But now, the Jews refuse to remember their incredible enthusiasm for the whole thing. They only choose to remember that Stalin turned agains them. Now the Narrative has become the Jews were the victims of Stalinism and Communism, even the chief victims. Thus anything that makes them (you) look bad is instantly forgotten, whereas grievances against you are remembered in detail for thousands of years.

  218. Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    What is Communism but the inverse of Capitalism? Just like M is just W inverted. Your vertical invert is unusual – the usual is horizontal.
    In any case, all this is explained in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Gary Allen called it “the Vise” in which the Middle Class is crushed between the Bankers and the Corporations above and the Marxist Masses below – even as the former fund and organize the latter.

  219. balkan January 22, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

    Also I meant: ..and NOT by some innate desire…”

  220. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

    Exactly, more like about 40 years. But I like what Ozone says, and the new verb he uses, because Ozone correctly identifies what we must do: downsize, contract, use less energy:
    we’ll become energy independent alrighty, just in an extremely impoverished (and suddenly moped-ed) way.
    We all need to stop wasting energy. Not necessarily to become “third world” … not to suffer or die from lack of energy … but certainly to stop the extravagant waste of our first world lifestyle. We can easily live comfortably on one tenth of our energy use. And with a better quality of life. Ask Tripp.

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  221. balkan January 22, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

    hm
    Do you understand what is Jim writing about?
    I mean really understand.
    I mean is he writing about horrible Russia from 80 years ago?
    Suburbia, interstate highways, overconsumption is so USSR?
    How do you get this rigged system served to us a “free market”?
    Ho’ ‘bout other blogs, say if you do not like Orlov or if Alex Jones sounds too paranoid, albeit not far away from the truth, there are other more sane and best of all written by full bloodied Usonians: Joe Bageant (RIP), Fred , Paul Craig, Drudge, Chriss…?
    How in the world one can read blogs like this and wrap his mind around Russia in 20s-30s, Beria, Stalin..and I hope that Tito is not in your repertoire?

  222. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    I never knew. What else am I overlooking?
    ============
    Well, you are overlooking the fact that we all die and are soon forgotten. Also, that in the Big Picture, the universe is oblivious and unconcerned with your concerns. Difficult to accept, I know. But I don’t want to burst your bubble…your concerns are so heartfelt and entertaining to follow. And they certainly keep you off the streets. What else would you do with yourself without your concerns about the Jews, Blacks, Women and Commies?

  223. k-dog January 22, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

    Bee keeping perhaps?

  224. insufferable January 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

    We have an evil government. Just face facts..they are killing people in wars under false pretences. They allow illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals and they make believe they don’t want them here. They allow drugs to come across pourous borders to keep us addicted. They control all our media in a steady stream of reports of negative news and stupid entertainment like the housewives series that undermine good families. They have TSA treat us citizens llike we are going into federal prisons and want to make sure we don’t blow up things and people. They tell us about children getting murdered by children then treat us like children by taking ourguns away all the while they have drones that can take us down in a split second. They yellow us we are doing better financially as more people loose jobs homes etc. Its not howdy doody time folks. Its the twilight zone.

  225. insufferable January 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    Now that we are in the twilight zone we could continue the episode and find out the president is really just a puppet. The government is really just a shadow government run behind the scenes by the CIA or something like that. The banks TV wall street education media transportation food production police health services and Hollywood is really all controlled by the government. They are sitting in their respective super mansions surrounded by people with guns protecting them against the masses whom they fear because of their paranoia. Gee……did I miss something. O yes the ending. We are all “shocked ” when we discover the truth. But of course its just too darn late.

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  226. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    they are killing people in wars under false pretences.
    ==========
    No, we haven’t had a congressional declaration of war for decades. We have “police actions,” we have a nebulous GWOT, we have targeted drone bomb assassinations… but no wars.
    .
    .
    They allow illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals and they make believe they don’t want them here.
    =============
    No, they are deporting immigrants in record numbers, year after year, especially the criminal ones. Yes, they want the Dream Act immigrants who are not criminals, did not come here voluntarily, and who want to study or serve in the armed forces.
    .
    .
    They allow drugs to come across pourous borders to keep us addicted. They control all our media in a steady stream of reports of negative news and stupid entertainment like the housewives series that undermine good families.
    Nobody is forcing anyone to take drugs or watch stupid TV programs. Take some responsibility for your own actions.
    .
    .
    They have TSA treat us citizens llike we are going into federal prisons and want to make sure we don’t blow up things and people.
    ===========
    This is George W. Bush’s fault. Don’t vote for or support anyone who voted for the Patriot Act that allowed taking away civil liberties.
    .
    .
    They tell us about children getting murdered by children then treat us like children by taking ourguns away all the while they have drones that can take us down in a split second.
    ===========
    So far in the USA, no guns have been “taken away” and no drones have “taken us down in a split second”

  227. routersurfer January 22, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    David McAlvaney has read Rand & thinks the rich Lords & Ladies will save us. Just like the “Church” Missions have saved Haiti & Africa. We will all be saving ourselves–or not. The rich are toasted as dark as we are. This is the best the “Right” has?
    He makes a goof like President Obama look human.
    Jim,great read. Thanks once again. To the wacko’s telling me we have room for 9 billion more people JUST in TX!!! Move to Mitt’s planet.Take Tom & John with you. Scientology was invented to make Mormonism look good.

  228. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    you are overlooking the fact that we all die and are soon forgotten. Also, that in the Big Picture, the universe is oblivious and unconcerned…
    You need to look at a Bigger Picture, Kyooshtik. We have all died innumerable times.
    http://haigobaigo.hubpages.com/hub/reincarnationevidence
    Dying, therefore, is not a big deal since we have done it over and over and over again.

  229. Miss Gayle January 22, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    I have posted your questions at Reddit. Will see if anyone replies.

  230. HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    Ya, Balkan, I have some idea what JHK is talking about. For me, tho, the verdict is not yet in on his conclusions.
    Collapse Watch first brought up the Soviet Union. I just ran with it, probably because right now I happen to be reading a book on Stalin. Otherwise I probably wouldn’t have said anything.
    Besides, I thought this was an open forum.
    –HM

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  231. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    It was brought up indirectly. The focal point of that post was the co-opting of the Mainstream Media by the Intelligence Services, thus turning it into pure propaganda that puts the ignominious Pravda to shame. That post was in to add clarity to a William Casey quote made by another poster. It’s good to know where you stand. You would fit in well over at Pat Lang’s place, if you’re not already a regular there.
    For the record, I consider the likes of Bill Casey to be as immoral as Stalin, just not as messy. The likes of Casey knew they could accomplish their task without murdering millions. But if they had no other option, they would have done the same (and will do the same considering what’s coming down the pike). Stalin had other options, but chose to annihilate everyone close to him.

  232. Bustin Jay January 22, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

    For the literati:

    “If you thought deindustrialization was something that decimated a few unlucky manufacturing towns back in the 1980s, think again. Christine J. Walley’s poignant analytic memoir of family life and class relations after the steel mills closed shows how America is still living out the legacy of those years, decades later. Anyone who wants to understand why the gap between rich and poor keeps widening, why upward mobility has shifted from a collective to an individual project, which misbegotten policies led to this predicament, and how ‘the materiality of class’ affects us even at the cellular level, can learn from Walley’s wise and incisive critique.”

    http://www.amazon.com/Exit-Zero-Postindustrial-Chicago-ebook/dp/B00ARKOBX0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1358906429&sr=8-4&keywords=exit+zero
    Somebody read this, I don’t have the time…

  233. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    Besides, I thought this was an open forum.
    ==========
    HenryMorgan, that’s what I thought, too. In my book your comments are always welcome. Your comments are one of the reasons I always come back to CFN… well, your comments and the big checks I receive for commenting here!
    Did you check out the Cornel West 5 minute video I linked to?
    http://youtu.be/96d_CzrfxsM
    Scathing criticism of Obama from my man, Cornel West.
    People like Vlad who think all Blacks worship Obama as Messiah are mistaken.

  234. Bustin Jay January 22, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    He plainly states at the end of the video that he is selling his advice and owns precious metals positions.
    But the cultural and political essay is spot-on.
    He graces his conclusion in standard Strauss-Howe 4th turning theory.

  235. Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

    My cat has been very staticy lately. She keeps getting a shock
    ==============
    Ways to prevent cat from getting static shock:
    1. Increase humidity in home
    2. Have cat “put down.” ;o)

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  236. Shakazulu January 22, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    “No no no, get up offa your ass walk over to the window”
    Blogging is my window to the world. If I screamed out my real window, no one would hear me…I can at least get my frustration off my chest when I blog it. Otherwise things get pent up inside your head like that wacko from Kenya pretending to run things and you go off the rails…thinking crazy like you’re king or something. He’s the second coming of Shaka Zulu, and will destroy all the white tribes of the earth…in collusion with his Zionists Puppet Masters of course.

  237. Jam47 January 22, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    Here in Toronto even the poorest of the poor are able to live in apartment buildings or houses that are centrally heated.
    Now go back three hundred years when the only dwellings to be seen on Lake Ontario’s hinterland were tents: How on earth did the Huron and Iroquois survive winter?
    Winter living has made me realize why the ancients regarded the forces of nature as conscious beings. To me, winter seems almost a malevolence. It has the power to kill and it does kill.
    Since very few people in this city die of exposure during the winter months, few seem to regard winter with dread. I don’t understand their sense of security. After all, sizable sections of Toronto have conked out before–no water, no light, no heat.
    Didn’t the ancient Greeks have a story about winter’s awfulness? Some sort of curse involving Persephone and Pluto? And Attica isn’t as cold as Ontario.

  238. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    1. Increase humidity in home
    2. Have cat “put down.” ;o)
    3. Spray this stuff on cat.
    http://www.amazon.com/Static-Guard-Cling-Spray-Fresh/dp/B0013IRBG4
    ======================
    OK, true story time-
    I spent a year working at a veterinary clinic in SW metro Atlanta, that was located in a working class area that was trending, at the time, heavily black.
    Folks (both black and white, as I recall) would come in, or call in, frequently – to ask some version of the question, “How much will it be to have my dog (or cat) sprayed*?”
    We always had to stop short of answering them, “That depends on what color you want them to be when we are finished.” haha!
    *The reader will hopefully understand that “sprayed” is here, a mispronunciation of “spayed,”
    which procedure is also known in proper medical terminology as a complete canine (or feline) hysterectomy.
    ====================
    This was, truly, a lower income area. Canine distemper is a terrible viral disease in puppies and young dogs, and we saw a lot of it – even though the distemper vaccine had been readily available for years, and was not all that expensive.
    So, it would be bad news to have a young dog come in that might be suffering with distemper.
    It made it worse when the dog’s owner suspected distemper – especially if the owner was correct, and told you coming in, “He may have distemper.”
    Except the black owners didn’t usually pronounce it that way. They would usually say, “He may have ‘stemper.”*
    True story, here – If I’m lying, I’m dying.
    Apparently, their ears heard “dis stemper” and translated it into “formal” English as “this stemper.”
    So, when they brought the animal into the “formal” language setting of the vet clinic – they would drop the “dis” vernacular
    and shorten “dis temper” to “stemper.”
    =======================
    It was an innocent and gentler age in SW Atlanta.
    Although we did have drugs in the clinic, I did frequently close and lockup by myself, and I always carried a weapon in my car.
    Some of us younger employees were always getting onto the vets who owned the place to “hire a Black veterinarian.” They wouldn’t do it. And it was NOT, repeat NOT, because they were prejudiced.
    It was because they had discretely inquired among their existing black client base, as to how a new black veterinarian would be accepted at the practice – and discovered that that generation of black pet owners would not have accepted a young black vet, nearly as much as they would have trusted a young white one.
    I don’t know how things are there now.
    The clinic is still there. I haven’t been back since 1978. One of my vet tech co-workers went to vet school, and came back and bought the old owners out. He now specializes in doing spays for the humane society for really low prices.
    He’s fast! Fast enough to do a good job and still make money at humane society pay rates.
    I understand he finally hired a black vet.
    I really need to get back and see those folks, at my old vet clinic.

  239. Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    Don’t forget Aunt Fanny’s Cabin. The Squash Casserole was divine.
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19821210&id=vsEqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PmgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6766,6058679

  240. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    Good Lord, CW – how do you know about Aunt Fanny’s Cabin?
    At one point, right after my wife and I got married, we lived in Symrna, GA – only about 5 miles from there, and probably right about the time that your article was written.
    I only went once – as part of a “restaurant takeover” for training/schmoozing for BioGuard Swimming Pool Chemicals and their store owners and managers.
    Aunt Fanny’s was kind of expensive, and hard to get in and get a good table – otherwise.

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  241. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

    The United States of America had practically open borders throughout its history, from its founding until about 1921 (with some notable exceptions such as the Chinese Exclusion Act).
    With this policy of open borders, the United States expanded greatly in population and led the world in terms of increases in its standard of living and increases in per capita income.
    We still have a low population density relative to other prosperous countries of the world. We have the room and we need open borders to improve the quality of life for all Americans.
    To wit, eleven countries are richer than the USA.
    1 Liechtenstein 141,100
    2 Qatar 104,300
    3 Luxembourg 81,100
    4 Bermuda 69,900
    5 Monaco 63,400
    6 Singapore 60,500
    7 Jersey 57,000
    8 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) 55,400
    9 Norway 54,200
    10 Brunei 50,000
    11 Hong Kong 49,800
    12 United States 49,000
    Many of these countries that are richer than the USA also have a higher population density (Number of people per square kilometer):
    2 Monaco .. 15,255
    3 Singapore .. 7,680.77
    4 Hong Kong .. 6,479.64
    11 Bermuda .. 1,279.26
    174 United States .. 31.94
    That’s right, the USA ranks 174th in population density with 32 people per square km. Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.
    The argument that more population means a lower quality of life just isn’t true. Assimilating new waves of immigrants will be possible for the United States and will lead to greater prosperity for the nation.

  242. asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    CORRECTION
    To wit, eleven countries are richer than the USA, as measured by GDP – per capita (PPP) (US$) even though they have population densities from 15,000 to 1,300 people per sq. km. while the USA is practically empty at 32 people per sq. km.

  243. progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    “Many of these countries that are richer than the USA also have a higher population density (Number of people per square kilometer)”
    -asoka.., the Grow, GROW cheerleader, as always ignoring how these grossly overpopulated countries get their (imported) food and their (imported) energy and their (mostly imported) water – without which they would experience widespread emigration or widespread death-
    This is a peak resources blog, right?
    =================================
    “Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.” -the soaker hose-
    So, is the above an argument in the nature of a general moral platitude?
    Or, is it a simple racist argument designed to inflame passions and impede honest dialog?
    Does anyone know? Does anyone care?
    =======================
    This is a peak resources blog, right?

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  245. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:33 am #

    “Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.” -the soaker hose-
    So, is the above an argument in the nature of a general moral platitude?
    Or, is it a simple racist argument designed to inflame passions and impede honest dialog?
    ==============
    No moral platitudes, just hard data.
    No mention of race at all.
    You are the one avoiding dialog by your name calling, which you seem to prefer. Address the argument, not the personal who posts. Your ad hominem is an admission of your weakness and lack of rational argument.

  246. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:36 am #

    Interesting to you perhaps: Captain Pike reveals that Rand Corporation connection to the original Star Trek. Predictive Programming mind controll perhaps? A Federation of Plantets so why not a United Nations here on Earth. After all, if they can come together “up there” why can’t we? Our differences are SO VERY SMALL compared to their’s, right?
    http://www.infowars.com/captain-kirks-predecessor-star-trek-was-rand-corporation-predictive-programming/

  247. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    CORRECTION
    You are the one avoiding dialog by your name calling (“soaker hose”), and your red herring categories, as if classifying something into one of your three groups automatically invalidates data, data which you refuse to address.
    The word prejudice just means to pre-judge without even considering what the data say. It has nothing to do with race.

  248. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    Thoreau has a few moving paragraphs on that: the very poor of Concord were bent over with the cold, poorly dressed, living in little shacks thrown togther without chimneys – kind of like our tent cities. He compared them too the Indians who had had fur coats and Long Houses heated by roaring fires.

  249. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:41 am #

    Man is very tiny if you look at his body, man is very foolish if you look at his mind, and man is tremendously vast if you look at his consciousness. Three things meet in man. The vast, the infinite, meet in his consciousness, in his awareness. That’s what you become aware of when you meditate: boundaries recede and disappear.
    The body does not contain you; in fact, you contain the body. Ordinarily you think, “I exist in the body.” It is absolutely wrong. The body exists in you; you are vaster, you are bigger – not only bigger than the body, you are bigger than this whole universe. It is awareness that holds all.
    –Osho

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  250. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:45 am #

    I was wondering why the big to do about Lincoln: now it’s clear. Obama is the New Lincoln – why just yesterday he took his Oath on Lincoln’s Bible and MLk’s too. He’s gotta be a Chrsitian with two Bibles!
    But the sinister side: Gun Owners are the New Southern Racists whom he is going to crush.

  251. Soul Pucker January 23, 2013 at 12:47 am #

    Do any of you CFNers know if any recent, indebted U.S. university graduate is willing to run in place for hours-on-end for no pay in order to get “Work Experience”? Thanks.

  252. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 1:59 am #

    We’re approaching a new Civil/Revolutionary War. Will you side with Lincoln or “the South”?

  253. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:01 am #

    If I had a son by a Black Woman, I would name him Ford Lincoln Mercury. And if we later had twin boys, I’d name them Luther and Vandross.

  254. Soul Pucker January 23, 2013 at 2:15 am #

    Didn’t they used to sell a huge, gas-guzzling car targeting the “African-American” market called the “Lincoln”?

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  255. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 4:57 am #

    Remember Conan on the Wheel of Pain; grinding the bitter grain of experience into the Bread of Wisdom. Is this not the story of us all? Buddha said none force us to cling to the spokes of agony (sex, women, men, job, cat) but we do it of our accord, from desire born of ignorance. But we can break free like Conan did. Or we can be enslaved under the Black Lincoln. Choose wisely.

  256. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 5:16 am #

    Great critique of Libtardism by Jared Taylor. It is a Religion btw.
    http://www.amren.com/features/2013/01/liberal-name-calling/

  257. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 5:27 am #

    Some Blacks like Malcolm X when he was Malcolm Little used to put gasoline in their hair to make it red.
    Why not? Why the hell not? It’s no worse than tongue rings or tatoos.

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  259. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 7:22 am #

    Yeah, Biolab was once upon a time a great company to work for, then the Blooms sold out. Great Lakes wasn’t too terrible, but the sell-out to Chemtura was the beginning of the end.

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  260. HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 7:40 am #

    CollapseWatch,
    I’d never heard of Pat Lang but I checked out the site and it seems pretty interesting.
    Thanks for the heads up.
    –HM

  261. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:32 am #

    asoka.., the Grow, GROW cheerleader, as always
    ==============
    P4C, ignoring the human story, as always. Throughout history, migrants have fueled the engine of human progress. Progress, not “Grow, GROW.” Progress is the human story, change is inevitable. If you look back over the centuries, the story of our evolution has been positive change which diminishes suffering.
    The movement of migrants has sparked innovation, spread ideas, relieved poverty, and laid the foundations for a global economy.
    In a world more interconnected than ever before, the number of people with the means and motivation to migrate will only increase. That is just a fact that you ignore at your own peril. Organizations like NumbersUSA that try to stabilize, lessen, or stop immigration are on the wrong side of history and that is not a platitude.

  262. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:46 am #

    We had open borders in the USA until 1921. If you look at the history of the freedom of movement of human beings, it becomes obvious that migration is not a zero-sum game; it brings great benefits to the receiving country, the sending country, and to migrants themselves. Not just economic and growth benefits, though those are not to be denied. Not just diversity of ethnic restaurants, though nothing wrong with that.
    Come to think of it, nothing wrong with moral platitudes either. By definition a moral platitude might be trite, meaningless, or prosaic… but not harmful. There are lots of things worse than moral platitudes. But charges of “moral platitude” do not hold up when one examines all the good things migration has done for humanity.

  263. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:57 am #

    For example, migrants send back home over $350 billion a year, a sum much greater than all world aid granted to developing nations, and a big part of that money goes to education for the next generation. I do not consider education to be a “moral platitude” especially when it is privately funded as a result of private individual effort and a desire to better oneself and one’s loved ones. Why would I object to that?

  264. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    And, yes, there are economic benefits from immigration because it stimulates the economy when low skilled foreign workers take the jobs that are not wanted by native workers. This is not a “moral platitude” argument for immigration. By taking jobs not wanted by natives, businesses are able to offer services at a lower price. Studies have shown that USA cities that had high levels of immigration saw reductions in the costs of housekeeping, gardening, child care, dry cleaning, and other labor intensive services. When people pay less for services I don’t consider that a “moral platitude” or “ethic restaurant” or “economic growth” argument for immigration. It just means more money in your pocket. Why would I object to that?

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  265. progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    “Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.”
    -the racist resident impediment, using the racially loaded word, “prejudice” for his own purposes-
    “The word prejudice just means to pre-judge without even considering what the data say. It has nothing to do with race.”
    – the soaker hose, in a second post, re-defining the context of a commonly understood word he JUST used –
    And you need to look up “ad hominem.” My two favorite names for you do not fit the definition, because they are not random insults – the are, in fact based on your BEHAVIOR. In my opinion the two sobriquets above are quite accurate in their symbolism, and quite well deserved.
    ===================
    For example, you charge:
    “Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else….”
    “Full up” traditionally means “full up of shit,” so this is an “ad hominem,” on your part.
    That’s why you are The Resident Impediment, here, because you frequently engage in the behavior you decry in others.
    As to why you are “Our Soaker Hose,” I’ll explain that later, but it is also a relevant descriptor, based on your behavior on CFN.

  266. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises. Immigration is a net benefit to the USA. Immigrants are job creators who start new businesses and create new jobs. Immigrants also account for around 25% of all global patent applications from the USA. Why would I object to that? What reason? Is innovation and discovery bad? Is having a job bad? Is being able to feed your family bad? Why would I object to immigrants being job creators?

  267. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:15 am #

    In a world more interconnected than ever before, the number of people with the means and motivation to migrate will only increase.

    Hardly. In a world that’s at the precipice of decline, yet wealth is concentrating at an ever-quickening pace, thus creating an even greater chasm between the haves and the have nots, fewer and fewer will have the means to migrate out of country, let alone in country. Motivation without means withers in short order. The only mobile ones will be the Plutocrats, and they’ll need to be mobile if they want to keep their heads.

  268. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises.

    So? Are you assuming we’re better off because of it? Hardly. In fact, a strong argument can be made that we are worse off because of these so-called “innovations.” Ever heard of the Progress Trap?
    http://www.wildancestors.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-short-history-of-progress.html

    Wright thinks the truth is more complicated. What makes this book unique and provocative is his notion of progress traps. The benefits of innovation often encourage society to live in a new way, while burning the bridges behind them as they advance. Society can find itself trapped in an unsustainable way of living, and it’s no longer possible to just turn around and painlessly return to a simpler mode. Like today, we know that the temporary bubble of cheap energy is about over, and our entire way of life is dependent on cheap energy. We’re trapped.

  269. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:21 am #

    P4C, do they pay you to keep the focus on Asoka?
    Your focus on Asoka’s BEHAVIOR (as defined by you), instead of the data and arguments he presents, is evasive and a distraction.
    This is a peak resources blog, right? We will need innovative ways to deal with an inevitable energy contraction, and innovative ways to deal with global overpopulation. Immigration contributes to such innovation.

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  270. HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    Temp. right now is hovering a little above 0 F.
    I realize its an apostasy here to question any aspect of ‘Global Warming’, which seems to be more of a religion than anything else, but I really expected these winters up here to have heated up a little by now. But every day its as cold as a witches left t-t!
    Did you see Al ‘Jazeera’ Gore, after cleaning up a few weeks ago selling his ‘Current TV’ network, scored big again with a swindle involving Apple Stock. Say what you want about Al ‘Jazeera’ Gore, the man knows how to make money!
    –HM

  271. doudou2m0e83 January 23, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    Microsoft Windows 8 will only have four versionsarticle rootWindows 8 futureDo you expect to be buying a version of Windows 8 in the future CASIO NP-20 Charger? What version holds the most appeal

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  272. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    Remember these metallic behemoths?
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5252222491_e602a8d75f.jpg
    Gawd, those were the days. They were as big as a city block, and the trunks could hold at least twenty dead bodies. Mobsters loved them. They don’t make them like that any more. Besides, Up-And-Coming Blacks prefer Land Rovers now.

  273. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    My all time favorite was the Royal Deluxe II. Man, that was one smooth ride. Nothing compared. The Commies couldn’t build a car like that.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ms5l_saturday-night-live-royal-deluxe-ii_fun#.UP_w3vKKySo

  274. progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    “I realize its an apostasy here to question any aspect of ‘Global Warming’, which seems to be more of a religion than anything else…”
    HM, no one ever said that “global warming” means all hotter-all the time. And, anyway, “global warming” is an unfortunate name for a more nuanced concept – that being anthropogenic climate change.
    To argue that we humans are having no effect as we burn through 100’s of million of years of stored fossil carbon, in a few hundred years – is ludicrous, IMO. And I’m not picking a fight, I’m just stating a fact.
    ==============================
    One thing we are seeing is bigger “swings” in the weather – unseasonable heat, longer droughts, heavier floods – that sort of thing.
    It got up into the upper 60’s last week, up here on my mountain. One of my peach trees started flowering. It was 23 last night – no peaches for me, again this year.
    The FIRST big vineyard that opened in my region is now closing permanently. The owner blamed unseasonably warm winters, which caused early “bud break” coupled with late frosts.
    Climate change is subtle SO FAR (like that sea level rise, that you and I once grappled over) but it is definitely happening. And it’s definitely going to get worse, absent some as-yet-unforseen “miracle.”
    http://www.georgiawinecountry.com/main.asp
    And yeah, Al Gore is a scum-sucking plutocrat.

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  275. HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    What about the ZIS 110? That thing was massive.
    HM

  276. ccm989 January 23, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    So David McAlvany is blaming old people and their entitlements (Social Security and Medicare) for the possible collapse of American democracy? And a dictatorship will arise in its place? Seems to me that the British Empire collapsed but no dictatorship took its place (unless Queen Elizabeth is a dictator). Seems to me empires are always collapsing and only in third world countries do dictatorships arise (Germany was not an empire so its collapse after WWI into facism doesn’t count).
    Dictators can only get power and money by VIOLENTLY taking it away from others. But regarding the collapse of America, like many I have lived through Hurricane Sandy and there was no rioting, no looting, no raping, etc. In fact, people COOPERATED! Yes, that’s right, families helped families, neighbors helped neighbors, people came from all over the country to HELP. And that help continues to this day (although some are still in a world of hurt).
    So I don’t think the collapse of the American Empire will be so tragic or swift. The real worry is the dark paranoid fantasies being perpetuated by the NRA that the government is out to get you. Seems to me that the government is too busy with Hurricane Sandy relief, a struggling economy, two foreign wars, etc. to worry about gun owners and their lousy guns. Unless you are cooking Meth in your backyard, the government isn’t interested in you. Of course there is the possibility that the NRA is inadvertently perpetuating drug sales due to their lobbyist activities that demand anyone can have a gun for any reason as long as gun manufacturers profit wildly! That’s the real danger.

  277. progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    You have only two categories of argument that are in favor of continued high US immigration:
    1. Economic growth is always good
    2. Moral platitudes
    “Your focus on Asoka’s BEHAVIOR (as defined by you), instead of the data and arguments he presents, is evasive and a distraction.
    -soaker*-
    It’s ludicrous to say I “define” your behavior, your behavior, here, is observable by all.
    And your behavior concerning immigration – endlessly repeating your moral platitudes and “growth is good” arguments – is as you put it for us, “evasive and a distraction.”
    And, *soaker – after awhile, referring to you as “Asoka,” over and over – begins to be a severe insult to the real “Asoka,” may he rest in peace.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asoka_%282001_film%29

  278. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Ah yes, it was a Beaut. Uncle Joe’s car is quite the collector’s item. It now resides in La Jolla, Ca., but has changed hands many times over the years. It is said that the aroma of Uncle Joe’s flatulence still permeates the cabin air. Old Communist Diehards travel to it, like Muslims to Mecca, to breath in the sacred putrefaction. It’s their special pilgrimage. Still, it can’t compare to the Royal Deluxe II. No self-respecting rabbi would think of performing a Bris in the ZIS.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFlDsv06em4

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    It’s a shame about Blackstock, however, you still have several others for the time being, namely Wolf Mountain, Three Sisters and Frogtown Cellars.

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  282. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    Seems appropriate:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

  283. bossier22 January 23, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    tell it to the Chinese, they’re building a lot of neat stuff. But for the vast majority of that over populated country it is still a shit hole and it always will be.

  284. Lucky 13 January 23, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    Jews, Europeans and Asians.
    Never blacks and browns.
    http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/steve-jobs-s-genes/
    Proof positive.
    The one ‘African’ who started a Fortune 500 is Indian.

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  285. Confusionism January 23, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

    Just wanted to add, or have Fred add, to the ongoing conversation between Asoka and the others regarding diversity.
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Severus.shtml

  286. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    Four star denial performance by Hillary Clinton. Like all women who are caught, she cried, screamed, attacked, etc. This is taking “full responsibility”. Once Behghazi was taken care of, she cheerfully confirmed that a large arsenal of Libyan weapons is now in the hands of Al Qaeda. How not since they were the rebels? Hillary said “we have to do better”! That’s why we’re doing the same thing in Syria. Those stolen/liberated weapons will now be used against us in Mali.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/clinton-face-lawmakers-benghazi-attack-090039480–politics.html

  287. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Always Blacks and Browns due to the multiplier effect. Blacks and Browns and low-skilled foreign workers provide services–such as home care or child care–that release skilled workers into the labor market.
    What does this actually mean? Here is an example: When a low-skilled migrant from Mexico moves to California and offers affordable child care, a mother staying at home, a skilled professional with a postgraduate degree, is released to join the workforce.
    Through the movement of one person, two people enter the workforce, and they will both earn wages that are spent on goods and services. Migration produces its own multiplier effects. Such indirect and second-order effects of migration are still underspecified, and the overall contribution of Blacks, Browns, and migrants to economic growth is therefore underestimated.

  288. progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    “…and the overall contribution of Blacks, Browns, and migrants to economic growth is therefore underestimated.”
    -our grow, GROW cheerleader, admitting that things are going to collapse faster than estimated-
    Excellent “Fred,” btw, Confusionism. Thanks!

  289. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    How long can a nation of pickpockets, beggars, and con-men steal from each other before the whole shebang falls down? We are about to find out. Diversity is our strength. Yes indeed.
    Yes indeed.
    “In short, the United States consists of a great many substantial and hostile groups in a way that, say, Japan and Finland do not.”
    And Asoka wants more diversity, which as defined by Fred consists of enormously powerful groups whose interests run counter to those of the rest of the country.
    I concur with his definition and his current piece is the best argument against today’s ongoing soaked hose spew we could hope for.
    No room at the Inn, were full up. Standing room only in the lobby and all those without reservations are screwed. Even if they were born here.

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  290. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    What does this actually mean? Here is an example: When a low-skilled migrant from Mexico moves to California and offers affordable child care, a mother staying at home, a skilled professional with a postgraduate degree, is released to join the workforce.

    This is an example of imported servitude. Disgusting. The bitch with the degree can stay home and raise the kids and keep the home, or she can skip having the kids. Imported servitude doesn’t reconcile that. As if whatever she’s going to do outside the home is of greater importance than raising children and keeping a stable home. Nothing is ore important than that. NOTHING. But tell that to the Libs. Idiots.
    And another thing. Lazy-ass Americans can start doing things for themselves, or not do it at all…..like landscaping and child care. Maybe they’d grow up and lose a few pounds in the process.

  291. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

    Oops his current piece.
    I had too much diversity in my link and it didn’t work.

  292. progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    speaking of unsustainable growth –
    One of my sons and his girlfriend both have jobs that require them to fly. And they don’t fly a lot, maybe every 3-5 months. So, you wouldn’t think their Frequent Flyer Miles would accrue terribly fast.
    Nevertheless, they’ve booked a trip to New York for later on this year – and they tell me that the whole thing, hotel and all – will cost them less than $50, out of pocket. Everything else is covered by those Flyer Miles.
    Question – how much of our “economy” is already bouyed up by activities that are, at root – frivolous freebies?
    Don’t get me wrong, now, I’m thrilled my kid has a chance to do all this for free. Hopefully, it will give him some stories to tell when he’s an old man – about the glittery life we all used to lead in the US, back in the good old days.
    ====================
    In other news, the first TV reports about this incident after the Falcon’s playoff loss reported that this stabbing was due to a fight between two men over the outcome of the game.
    Which seemed bad enough.
    Well, it’s worse than that.
    They were fighting over FOOD.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01/23/food-not-falcons-led-to-georgia-dome-stabbing/

  293. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    It depends on how you define and perceive diversity. A diversity of approaches is a good thing. One of the main reasons Civilization is failing, and fails, is because of uniformity and homogeneity. Everything under the sun must be uniformly replicated and mass produced to the point the entirety of the world’s inhabitants now aspire to own a refrigerator and a car and so on and so forth. That’s what lack of diversity gets you. It gets you drowning in your own shit.

  294. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    Question – how much of our “economy” is already bouyed up by activities that are, at root – frivolous freebies?

    As a former CPA, I can tell you this is about booking sales earlier rather than later, or front-loading sales. It looks good in the short-term on the books because it helps hide an otherwise decline, but as you say, eventually you reach a point where you’ve front-loaded so much sales for which you have not yet relinquished service that you have no room left to service new sales because you’re booked servicing the previously front-loaded sales. At that point, the companies that are too-big-too-fail will just renege on those service obligations, i.e. frequent flier miles, and the Gubmint will back them up on it because they’re too-big-too-fail. Then, they’ll start the whole front-loading scheme over again from scratch and all the brainless dolts will get in line and accept their shafting once more.
    So it goes.

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  295. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    And the skilled professionals can go to the park with their briefcase and pretend they have jobs, falling down style.
    I couldn’t agree more about your feeling concerning ‘imported servitude’.
    More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better
    I read the book and it was great to see my own ideas so well supported with hard scientific fact. The diversity overload is enough to make one doubt their own sanity.

  296. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    Chuck Hagel grovels to the Jews, apologizing for telling the truth once or twice. He is just one of a long list of people who have apologized for tellng the truth. That’s what happens when you give one small group of people control of the banking and media. Incredible. Still not enough though – they don’t want him nominated. And there are 3000 Jews in the 1.2 million man army – yet they have all but absolute say.
    Collapse Watch got awful silent when the role of Jews in the Global Conspiracy came up.
    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/SenHagelRequirementofApologytoJews.html

  297. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    For all the talk of diversity, it’s hardly anywhere to be found. It’s all the same shit coming out of the same old vat. There’s nothing new under the sun. Diversity, my ass. People wouldn’t know diversity because they no longer see diversity. Mass Consumerism and NeoLiberalism detroyed diversity flying the banner of diversity. What a ruse.

  298. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Collapse Watch got awful silent when the role of Jews in the Global Conspiracy came up.

    The aversion to Gefilte Fish is trumped by the aversion to skinned heads.
    And, that would be awfully silent, not awful silent.
    Are you Catholic? Is your name Pat?
    Dogs over cats, any day.

  299. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    You’re focusing on the wrong aspect again. The Mexican wouldn’t come if it didn’t improve her situation. Collapse gets it right: it’s the White Woman going out to work instead of working at home as a mother that’s the problem. She takes the job that should go to a Man or a single Woman. And the Mexican takes a job that should belong to an American. Get it straight. Our concern should not be them but for us.
    That being said, yes, we do bring them here to exploit them. I saw a clip of a new immigrant family, the girl was about 12 and feeling sick. She still had to pick crops. After they’ve been here awhile, they will learn to work the system and begin to exploit us.

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  300. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    I have outed you, Schlomo. Nice “Persian” attempt. Like Ilya Erhrenberg calling himself “Ashley Montagu”. Own it and begin to critique your own.

  301. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    After they’ve been here awhile, they will learn to work the system and begin to exploit us.

    That means they pass the citizenship test and become full-fledged citizens of the U.S, because precisely at that point, they have learned how to be true Americans. Screw thy neighbor. Me, me, me. Fuck everyone else. Game the System. There is no tomorrow, only today. Whatever. I could care less. This is the American Dream to which the world aspires.

  302. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Catholic isn’t an ethnic group like being Jewish is. But yes – Gentiles like Prog and Henry have amazing difficulty with this simple concept. Guys, most Jews are atheists and agnostic. They aren’t having kids though while the Orthodox have huge families. So the future is with the Fundies, which means zero chance of Peace in Palestine.

  303. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

    And who developed modern Capitalism? The Department store? Fiat currency? Predatory Lending? I don’t say only Jews, but they were certainly prominent. But at the top now – it’s Jews. They are the ones who own the Federal Reserve.

  304. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    Praise of diversity is an insult to our own culture.

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  305. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    If it’s any consolation, Radu, Collapse graduated from a Jesuit High School and received an undergrad diploma from a Jesuit College. Grad school was secular. Jesuits helped Collapse lose his religion. Collapse thanks them for that. Collapse likes Bagels. Collapse likes Larry David, especially this scene:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OZP_4sUs
    Doesn’t that look like great fun? How cathartic it would be. Let’s give it a try and see if JFK bans us.

  306. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Praise of diversity is an insult to our own culture.

    What culture? All cultures have been obliterated and replaced with buy, buy, buy, more, more, more. That’s not a culture. It’s a defecation.

  307. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    Yes, oh yes. I’m proud of you fellas. But are you serious? Have you thought thru the impications? Are you ready to stop insulting Christians? As Washington said, most people need a religion to be good. Take it away and they will invent a worse one like Communism. Stop tolerating insults to our Nation? No more Jerry Rubins and Abbie Hoffmans to be allowed to shit on us with impunity? Bill Ayers to get the justice he deserves? The ADL to be forced to register as a foreign lobby? The Blacks made to behave – or else?
    It’s a serious thing to have a Nation. Serious and delicate. It can’t take endless insults to its dignity and laws as the Left has delighted to deliver. Loyal opposition is another thing all together. Learn the difference.

  308. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    -our grow, GROW cheerleader, admitting that things are going to collapse faster than estimated-
    ===========
    Isn’t that what some doomsters want? I have read comments on CFN that the sooner the whole thing collapses the better.
    I doubt there will be any collapse. I’m just looking at reality. The reality is there are 27 million immigrants in the USA (SOURCE: F.A.I.R.) and they are contributing by working, paying taxes, lowering the national debt, creating jobs, etc.
    I think the more immigrants we have the better. I support freedom of movement of people and open borders. I am a true libertarian who really believes in FREEDOM.

  309. jonathanss. January 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

    Good rebuttal. The correct term should be “Global Weirding”.

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  310. Confusionism January 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm #

    Boo fucking hoo, Vlad, you sound like a whiny little bitch. And you call out Hillary for crying.

  311. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    I support freedom of movement of people and open borders.

    Illegal Immigration from Mexico to the U.S. can hardly be considered freedom of movement for the poor souls making the crossing. It is a flight of desperation for them, and the risks are substantial. That can hardly be called freedom of movement.
    It’s a moot point. Nothing’s going to change from an enforcement standpoint. The only thing that will mitigate immigration and migration is the end of abundant, cheap energy, and that’s just around the corner….any day now, but don’t hold your breath, just in case. Meantime, do your service to humanity, and let the dark-skinned southern neighbors tend to your garden, clean your house, and raise your children whilst you self-actualize in your toxic cube.

  312. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    No its not the left, it is corn-pone brain dead liberals and politicians who hide inequality and the praise of hierarchy behind the word d-i-v-e-r-s-i-t-y.
    Diversity is a word that has been politically corrupted to confuse and mislead. It is not used by what you call the left whom I take to mean intellectuals of courage with brains whom dare to think differently, so fuck off.
    Diversity in America has come to hide the imposition of a new sheriff in town syndrome, a dilution and confusion of culture. It is the embodiment of the more things change the more they stay the same. You embrace diversity, you are all about differences and maintaining them. You even see them when they are not there.

  313. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    Radu that was for U.

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  315. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    “I have read comments on CFN that the sooner the whole thing collapses the better.”
    Yeah, and you have made plenty exactly like that yourself.

  316. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:15 pm #

    Oh, someone seems a bit bitter because he has lost his WASP-dominated America. Love it or leave it, loser. You sound like another whiner from the “Greatest Generation”

  317. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    One school of thought is that the sooner things collapse the less the destruction there will be. A softer crash in which there is less damage and in which people come to their senses and we suddenly have the dawning of the age of Aquarius or something.
    I don’t hold that point of view. A collapse once begun is a feedback loop of destruction out of control. Sooner or later it is the same thing, terrible and abhorrent and collapse should be avoided by making fundamental changes in the way in which we live our lives.

  318. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

    No, I have consistently said we have 40+ years, while making fun of the doomsters by predicting collapse… next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.
    Why you tellin’ lies, K-Dog? You workin’ for COINTELPRO?

  319. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    It’s rather clear and transparent that you and Radu are puppets who reside on the same hand. Cute little honey trap you’re running. It is entertaining, I’ll give it that….in a Slapstick sort of way.

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  320. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    The only thing that will mitigate immigration and migration is the end of abundant, cheap energy, and that’s just around the corner….any day now, but don’t hold your breath, just in case.
    ==========
    Right. I’ve been calling this “just around the corner” bullshit since 1970.
    Don’t even try to hold your breath until next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.

  321. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    It is entertaining, I’ll give it that…
    ========
    That is the purpose of CFN: cheap entertainment. It makes me happy to know you are enjoying CFN’s doomster schtick. CFN is good for laughs, though. I’ll give you that.

  322. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    It sure as hell beats the somber suicide cult over at Nature Bats Last. Those folks are real DOWNERS. Every minute of every day the fuckin sky is falling. Of course it is, for Christ’s Sake, the Universe is entropy. Get over it, and party like it’s 1999.

  323. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    collapse should be avoided by making fundamental changes in the way in which we live our lives.
    ============
    This has been my message to CFN for almost eight years now. And I have made hundreds of posts with useful information on how to make fundamental changes in housing, transportation, diet, lifestyle, energy use, horticulture, etc.

  324. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    And those damn Chinese and Indians just won’t listen. What do you expect? They want the American Dream. They want to self-actualize in a toxic cube whilst their fair-skinned Anglo-American neighbors tend their lawns and gardens, clean and maintain their homes, and raise their children. The wheel goes round and round until there’s no energy left to power it. Then it blows up.

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  325. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    I won’t call Hillary out for crying, but I will call her out for being bloated. What’s up with that?

  326. k-dog January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    The best advice is to Trust No One. Make like you are in the X-Files and if you want to know if someone is real or a shape shifting fool who is talking to themselves to dissemble the crowd pay attention to the consistency of their thought.
    Real dogs don’t change opinion at the change of the wind. Real dogs are reasonably consistent over time in their opinions.
    Another piece of advice is to not try and figure out exactly what a particular deceiver is up to or exactly how many people they are pretending to be. To try and figure them out is an exercise in futility. You don’t have enough information and trolls send out false clues on purpose. They will even say exactly what they are to confuse. This is particularly noticeable when they are about to be busted and need to lie low for a few days. They have all the tricks of con men for that’s what they are and teaching themselves to be.
    To the best of your ability defend attack and advance the ideas presented here, not the people.
    Some of us are not whom we seem. It’s sad but free speech attracts idiots and that means having to sift through a lot of coal to find diamonds.

  327. xhalor January 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    Some thoughts on using women is combat units:
    1. What? We haven’t militarized enough of our society?
    2. They will be used to collect the guns. Watch.
    3. It’s your turn to carry the .50 cal. Go get ’em killer!

  328. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    A Jewish Catholic? It is not impossible, all the first Catholics were Jews. And there are still a few sincere converts. But most nowadays are just moles. And the Jesuits are the worst Order of all now – not even Christian anymore. Anyone remember Fr Drinan of Boston College? One of the nastiest pieces of work that ever walked on two legs. Considered anti abortion folks the forces of darkness – yet he never lost his teaching privledges or his good standing as a priest.

  329. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

    You are losing the People you leftist trash you.

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  330. Jam47 January 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

    Earlier today, on a monitor overhanging a subway platform, there was a news note about Joe Biden: he’s thinking of running for president in 2016. Hillary Clinton is probably thinking of running too.
    In 2012, these two will be, respectively, 74 and 69 years old, which is to say they’ll be on the verge of becoming aged.
    Presidential campaigns are gruelling. Anyone who’s seventy or over and who has the vitality to conduct an American presidential campaign gets my salute. Their constitutions must be extraordinary. And after election comes four years of hard and stressful work.
    Maybe it’s a mind over matter thing–an ambition to rule that’s so fierce it supercharges the body’s physical processes. This can’t be discounted. Nonetheless, there have been number of American presidents and British prime ministers who, because of bodily or cognitive collapse, were rendered unfit for their jobs. Or so I’ve read. Here’s a list.
    William Pitt the elder
    Henry Campbell Bannerman
    Ramsay Macdonald
    Winston Churchill
    Anthony Eden
    Woodrow Wilson
    Franklin Roosevelt
    The case of John Kennedy is iffy: whether his adrenal disorders affected his mind is yet an unanswered question.

  331. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

    And after election comes four years of hard and stressful work.

    Nonsense. These pricks are waited on hand and foot. All they’re required to do is stay on script, attend parties and functions, give speeches, and take a ton of vacations where they play golf. They get much more vacation time and perks than the average Joe. They don’t know hard work. Hard work would kill them. Blogging on CFN is hard work. It’s a minefield. Your next step could be your last. That’s REAL stress. Raising children is hard work, and it’s something none of them know anything about. All they had to do was conceive it. All living presidents should be required to finish their days digging for gold in the Congo. That’s hard work and proper penance for the atrocities that flowed forth from the tip of their pens, or their presidential stamps.

  332. Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

    Anyone remember Fr Drinan of Boston College? One of the nastiest pieces of work that ever walked on two legs. Considered anti abortion folks the forces of darkness.

    You really are a sicko. You would ensure those children were brought to term and delivered….right into the hands of that most terrible of monsters, Father Ollie and his ilk. Disgusting. You should have your balls chopped off for suggesting such a thing.
    http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/deliver_us_from_evil
    It’s an excellent documentary for those who haven’t seen it.

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  334. xhalor January 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Here’s an interesting web page I found. Last night I watched the PBS show “Frontline”. The show was about the “untouchable” nature of the executives at banks that were bailed out. Today the Frontline web site hosted a live chat and one of the participants said that Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, would be leaving his post shortly to work for the Covingtion & Burlington law firm. So I went to their web site and searched for Lanny. He appeared on a web page congratulating C&B lawyers. Lanny’s name appeared under the “Litigation” heading. So I went to THAT part of the C&B web site. One of the bulleted “Representative Matters” was…
    “Represented Freddie Mac in multiple securities class action and derivative lawsuits brought in the wake of the company’s $5 billion restatement of earnings, obtaining a very favorable global settlement after prevailing on a novel defense to class certification. We also defended the client in related regulatory investigations by banking authorities and the SEC.”
    http://www.cov.com/practice/litigation/
    WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING?

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  335. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

    In 2012, these two will be, respectively, 74 and 69 years old…
    =========
    Since 2012 was last year, perhaps a past tense verb would be more appropriate.
    Elizabeth Warren 2016

  336. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    Blogging on CFN is hard work.
    ============
    Finally, someone who understands. If it weren’t for the opportunity to earn a high six figure salary and hob knob with the 1% it would not be worth the effort.
    Elizabeth Warren 2016

  337. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    [sarcasm on]
    Now that we’ve got gays and women and stupid men in combat, I think we should go after the children. The age for military service should be lowered to age 12. We could get a shit-load of kids into the “services” with the right propaganda campaigns and make men and women out of little boys and girls.
    [sarcasm off]

  338. BeingThere January 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    Yep, X
    I saw it too.
    Gotta say, I was calling these mooks the untouchables since I likened them to Myer Lansky and Murder Inc. and sure enough, someone called their documentary “The Untouchables”.
    Where I work we listen to WNYC all day so I heard producer and correspondent Martin Smith in an interview.
    We should have had these guys arrested and put the banks in receivership and cut them down to size like Reagan did to the S&L’s—-if we were still a country we would have, but now we’re global and that’s why we’re not reacting normally to things that could have been fixed.
    If you want to hear it go to:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

  339. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

    Blood will tell. And His Blood is upon you.

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  340. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

    Please sign the White House Petition “Stop White Genocide”. I’ll be looking for you signature, Dave.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-halt-massive-third-world-immigration-and-forced-assimilation-white-countries/WVyzm59F#thank-you=p

  341. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    You want me to go against human nature? Miscegenation happens because people fall in love. You cannot legislate love with a petition to the White House. Your white nationalist ideology is making you stupid.

  342. xhalor January 23, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

    Gee, I didn’t know that the Honorable Eric Holder was a partner at Covington & Burlington.
    How cozy.
    http://www.cov.com/news/detail.aspx?news=1322

  343. xhalor January 23, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    Oops. That’s COVINGTON & BURLING.
    In the dark days before Das Internet, how could a simple sumnuvabitch makes these connections so quickly, if ever.

  344. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

    In the dark days before Das Internet, how could a simple sumnuvabitch makes these connections so quickly, if ever.
    ===========
    You can find whatever you want to find on the internet because it contains a multitude of completely contradictory statements.
    If you choose to believe what you read on the internet, without critically evaluating and corroborating the information, you are a fool.
    “Google can bring you back 100,000 answers, a librarian can bring you back the right one.”
    ? Neil Gaiman
    Librarians have critical thinking skills that allow them to look at a question from many angles before working on the answer.
    Librarians understand nuances that aren’t contained in the text of a book or web site.
    Librarians have muti-dimensional problem solving skills. They understand that questions could lead to more questions and answers could lead to more problems.
    Librarians recognize differences in their users that search engines have yet to learn. Humans know more about human motivation than computers could ever understand.
    Librarians ask questions. They are taught to ferret out the researcher’s real question through reference interviews.
    Researchers often don’t know how to ask the right question to get the answer they are seeking. Reference interviews aren’t set questions and answers that a computer can put forth and understand. They are discussions between two human beings that lead to a better understanding of the question by both parties and better answers for the researcher.

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  345. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    We don’t have a “deficit” problem. We don’t have a “spending” problem. We need more government spending and more investment in our infrastructure and in education.
    Both in absolute terms and as a percent of GDP, the deficit peaked in 2009 but has been shrinking since then.
    Meanwhile, the government has been laying off workers — including teachers and firefighters — over the past few years in an effort to curb spending. Some economists, including Krugman, say that this austerity has made the economic recovery slower than it would have been otherwise.

  346. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    Yes, the John Birch Society warned us decades ago but you Liberals mocked them to scorn. Now you have to pay the piper.

  347. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    Sex isn’t love stupid.

  348. Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    Librarians are some of the most ignorant Liberals out there. They’d burn books if they could. As it is, they just put Books on Race in “Research” where people can’t get access to them.

  349. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    Radu, it is the same basic energy. Love is the creative refinement of sex energy.

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  350. asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    While you were probably supporting George W Bush’s Patriot Act librarians were helping raise awareness of its overreaching aspects. Thanks to W we have lost a lot of civil liberties.

  351. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 12:12 am #

    P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.
    What P4C does not say is that immigrants are beneficial to the countries they leave behind. Immigrants send cash remittances to family, and when they become emigrants they return home with knowledge and experience from their time in a foreign country.
    Both countries benefits from immigration.

  352. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.
    That’s a moral platitude and a denial of human freedom of movement!

  353. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:24 am #

    The main purpose of sex is the production of children not “love”. Thus it should be far more than a mere personal decison based on looks, money, ect. Parents should help find good matches for their children – with both sides having veto power. High level children is the goal. If you daughter brings home Sidney Poitier, she should be read the riot act – as if one Black in a million has his qualifications.

  354. nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 5:33 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=181745
    Machines are programming people: without anyone noticing it, you are following the “programs”, the “instructions” the machines (but really indirectly what the corporations and their designers (unsure who decides what or who influences who within corporations and such, who’s “will power” dominates, but it is probably intractable just like everything else)) want you to follow, you are executing the behaviors the machines impose on you (in essence you are the computer and the programs are executing you, you are executing the programs the computers decide you must execute and such), but really society and the social construct imposes on everyone, as in all your friends are on facebook and talk through facebook, you must too otherwise you are “cut off”, you are “isolated” and so forth. And corporations want their workers to be always connected, always on, always “reachable” always in “Information Processing Mode”, always in “Communication Mode”, you are not allowed to be “isolated”, an “island”, “an individual” in essence, everyone must know what is on everyone’s elses “mind” and such. A kind of thought control.
    It is all a subtle change in the behaviors of Civilization, a gradual change from being yourself to being an extension of Information Machines, without anyone noticing or deciding, but simply playing along.
    TV is much better, it is actually much more social and more relaxing, more passive, at least you are not forced to execute a program, you can just passively watch, TV is a much more superior Information Machine, it is actually non intrusive, TV is closer to meditation, to oblivion, to non social than anything else, TV will set you free, Computers will imprison you…
    8 man
    Thank you for exectuing the above text in your mind, you have once again been called to execute a program on behalf of the machines, you loaded the contents of the text in your memory and parsed it and the process triggered other thoughts, we are all programmers of texts now, all Machine Brain hybrids interacting and programming each other and transmitting Information and “Communicating” a never ending array of texts, ideas, concepts, logic chunks, segments of logic paths intersecting and interacting and colliding with other segemnts of logic (and in the background denoting will powers and fights between ideas and hence people and such)…

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  355. nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 5:39 am #

    That was from:
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
    and
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

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  357. BareKnuckles02 January 24, 2013 at 7:29 am #

    Entire Marine and US Army divisions of homosexuals and women are being formed up to take on the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, and North Korean Infantries.

  358. progress4conserving January 24, 2013 at 7:48 am #

    “P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.” -soaker hose, confused-
    Actually, soak, these are just two helpful suggestions for a better Planet Earth.
    ===========================
    Now, here’s what a moral platitude looks like:
    “a denial of human freedom of movement!”
    -soak-
    Because, you see, the idea that humans should be able to move anywhere they choose on the whole wide Earth – without regard to consequences – is certainly a moral platitude, not to mention being physically impossible.
    ============================
    Is it possible that asoka..david is getting dumber?
    Now, that’s a possible? ad hominem – but it is acceptable, because it is based on soak’s observable BEHAVIOR, on this thread.
    Out ’till late tonight.
    That’s a statement of fact.

  359. BareKnuckles02 January 24, 2013 at 7:56 am #

    Here’s a fact I didn’t see on the Obama Information Bureau (OIB) last night or this morning:
    In the first Gulf War two female service members were captured.
    Both were raped.
    –HM

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  360. Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 8:22 am #

    Vlad, when exactly did you jump the shark? White genocide? Book-burning librarians? You’re like a clown; you amuse but nobody takes you seriously.

  361. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    About the military increasingly becoming a career path for homosexuals. Well, let’s just say, Ernst Rohm would be proud….and vindicated.
    http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap11.htm

    Ernst Rohm once declared that he always took the opposite view (1). In saying this he was not merely acknowledging his spirit of contradiction and his self-confidence. The representative of a truly lost generation, he spoke in his self-revelation for those who came together after the First World War with vague but consistent feelings of opposition, of protest, in the Freikorps and armed nationalist associations, in order to transmute their incapacity for civilian life into extremist adventurism and criminality masquerading as nationalism. Active unrest, readiness to take risks, belief in force and irresponsibility were the essential psychological elements that lay behind the organized nihilism of those whose formative experience had been the war, with its underlying sense of the decline of a culture, and whose heroic myth was the spirit of the front-line soldier. Agents of a permanent revolution without any revolutionary idea of the future, they had no goal, but only restlessness; no idea of values that looked to the future, but only a wish to eternalize the values of the trenches. They fought on and marched on beyond the Armistice and the end of the war, not towards any vision of a new social order, but for the sake of fighting and marching, because the world appeared to them a battlefront and their rhythm was that of marching feet.
    “Marching is the most meaningful form of our profession of faith.”

    Career militarists are decidedly homosexual. Always have been. They respect and adore each other above all others, and that affectionate admiration translates physically when left unfettered.

  362. zendiego January 24, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    Man k-dog and asoka or is it dolphin with lamp on head and “a socca” a nicoise pancake made from chick peas.
    Its like a battering ram of moral platitude, or is it the moral platitude of a battering ram.
    I’ve seen dogs chase tails (their own), squirrels, cats (oh, not really dangerous) and cars…it never gets old and if you are really brave you can even dream that reality is all about chasin tail.

  363. ComradeDystopia January 24, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    It is a curious thing, maybe not too well thought out.
    What’s going to happen when large numbers of 20 year old girls start turning up on casualty lists? What’s going to happen when they become POWs of nations who could give a shit less about the Geneva Convention, or by stateless ragtag muslim Terror Brigades? You can pretty much guess what is going to happen. And think of the propaganda uses they’ll be put to.
    JHK is right when he states the USA has become divorced from reality. You have to wonder how this place is going to survive.

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  365. xhalor January 24, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    “Its like a battering ram of moral platitude, or is it the moral platitude of a battering ram.”
    —————————————————
    It’s also like watching a badly played tennis match with someone and their clone.
    Besides being a place where you look up information on obscure, dead, poofs, libraries are where you go hang out after you’ve been kicked out of the shelter at 7AM and it’s 9 degrees outside.

  366. ozone January 24, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    “It’s rather clear and transparent that you and Radu are puppets who reside on the same hand.” -CW
    Now you’re gettin’ it. “They” have absolutely nothing to contribute; in fact, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? To distract, divert, obfuscate, co-opt, contend, warp, and frustrate coherent discourse.
    Notice how quickly the pretend person “asoka” got back to you on his “underpowered” ‘puter from his mud hut somewhere in the southern desert hinterlands. lol I’d say it’s got a lot more gum’mint-sponsored technology at its’ disposal than it claims. Scroll on by, even though it won’t make a whit of difference in the volume of posts, you can at least remove the courtesy of a response (which makes it very angry and gets it a chewing-out from its’ superiors for not properly distracting/engaging).

  367. ozone January 24, 2013 at 11:21 am #

    It’s obvious that Hilly has taken to the solace of the chocolatier’s arts once again… ;o)

  368. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    Yes, it’s most likely that and a side effect of Boniva.

  369. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    The main purpose of sex is the production of children not “love”.

    Here you are showing your Puritan Feathers once again. You have obviously never had a delightfully scrumptious, succulent pussy on your face, have you? If you had, you would never make such a statement. Get out and live a little before you’re six feet under.
    And that was not a reference to your cat, because no doubt that nasty creature has been on your face.

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  370. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

    Although, in all fairness, you could also be Quaker since they had similar attitudes concerning sexual relations. If so, you have a lot in common with Babs Bush. She’s also a Quaker. Here’s a photo of her dressed to the Quaker Nines.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-owk6wKXtX_M/T3YHYpWdrnI/AAAAAAAAAPM/1kLY5NIrmoQ/s1600/quaker.jpg

  371. Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

    C’mon CW, you’ve been around CFN long enough to know that Vlad/Radu is a woman-hater, so no, he he has probably never had a succulent pussy straddling his mug. No doubt this hatred comes from years of rejection from the opposite sex. I’m sure he’s never had a cock in his mouth either as he hates homos, so he says. He may be one of those freaks who is thoroughly asexual, which would not surprise me as he seems to be a complete misanthrope. It’s really kind of sad when you think about it.

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  373. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

    Wow, MTV is really ramping it up with these couple ads. There’s a ring of truth in it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P2ZhQrWQj7k

  374. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    He may be one of those freaks who is thoroughly asexual, which would not surprise me as he seems to be a complete misanthrope. It’s really kind of sad when you think about it.

    Yes, that’s why I asked him if his name was Pat.
    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/its-pat/1353781/

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  375. ComradeDystopia January 24, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    What’s happening in Davos? Derek Jeter for one, is there. Does anybody care? Davos is where the agenda is being set, the agenda that will determine how you will live. Davos is where it is all laid out, where plans are made. Everybody who is anybody is at Davos. Soros, Buffet, Gates, they’re all at Davos. The skiiing is great, the food and drink is exquisite! Senator John Cary, with his wife’s $260 million, couldn’t attend this year. He has other important business in Washington. There’s always next year.

  376. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    Where’s Al Qaeda when we need them? Hell, they’re probably there too, skiing, dining, drinking…soaking in the hot tub. Wouldn’t want to be in the hot tub with them, though. They’re hairy motherfuckers.

  377. Jam47 January 24, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    Ironically, many of the men who hold women in contempt are womanizers, or ex-womanizers. That’s because these men understand women only too well. I’ve known numerous such men. The more they pursue women, the more they despise them for giving in.
    To despise and to hold in contempt, is not, of course, to hate. But all three states of mind are a close-related trio.

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  379. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    Sure, it’s aimed at those pesky PETA breads, but it sets a precedence for labeling any form of dissent against the Corporate State as Terrorism. This is the same shit China pulls, but that’s not surprising, is it?
    http://www.alternet.org/environment/states-considering-laws-would-make-it-act-terrorism-report-animal-cruelty-food-safety-or

    How do you keep consumers in the dark about the horrors of factory farms? By making it an “act of terrorism” for anyone to investigate animal cruelty, food safety or environmental violations on the corporate-controlled farms that produce the bulk of our meat, eggs and dairy products.
    And who better to write the Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act, designed to protect Big Ag and Big Energy, than the lawyers on the Energy, Environment and Agriculture Task Force at the corporate-funded and infamous American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

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  380. nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    Chinese Spammer
    You can see that I am not the Chinese Spammer by his use of the Resource Box: this is a kit of items and entities Matter – Energy – Existence uses to manipulate itself, to feel itself, to come alive and acquire self consciousness of its structure and such. It is a box of concepts and structures any substrate composed of Information Potentially uses to self create and instantiate logical, symbol and connection structures, logics. Symbol Constructions, Matter to Existence Converters…
    But reality uses an Observer type of delimitation to express, manipulate and interact with what is imagined outside of an Observer type: nay, Information and logic segments are used continuously to saturate all points in space time, to give them a justification, since without logic and cause and effect and reasons, all Entities and Matter would appear to a Man Brain type of entity non existent, non decodable and such. But Matter must escape its own logic, must escape the logic it imposes upon itself as logics and logic segments are only inventions, arbitrary inventions, many other kinds of systems are possible; you cannot saturate all with logic and connect all with causes and effects and logic segments, everything escapes such points, just like all of the debates and ideas and and conflicts and controversies over the “Economy” and other things try to find out, figure out a way to overcome the only real reason and basis of everything and namely: the fight, the conflict between contrasting will powers, the conflict between two entities fighting for themselves, A against B, A wins and B loses, end of story, but all of the debates try to figure out a “way out”, try to find a logical segment that could solve “this problem” once and for all without understanding that the problem is structural, will always be because all things are fighting all others, all differences are wars between items, the fight creates existence and there is no way to figure out a way out.
    Hence the debates and theories and ideas, the “Politics”, the “Fights” will go on forever, ever more logic segments and ideas and attempts to figure out how to finally solve the conflicts will be created, when the conflict is the essence of all from the outset no matter what, conflict, fight, difference between any two items (and difference always means war and fight, although sometimes they accumulate and merge into one item only to fight another item that accumulates other differences that then decide to become one and the same and so forth, but always fighting and comparing itself to something else) is the elementary particle upon which all entities, all the ideas are made out of and no matter how many logic segments are instantiated, no matter how many ever longer and complex blocks of text, conversations, debates, no matter how much information you throw at the problems, you will never get anywhere, you will always stand still and in fact the Internet with all of its constantly increasing information tries desperately to change the nature of things and solve problems (mostly just people judging things, people love to judge, love to play the part of GOD, as all people think they are GOD and can judge when in all truth all judgments are wrong from the outset, all of what the Man Brain does is wrong by definition since wrong and right and better and worse doesn’t even exist), but it is all in vain and the more in vain it is the more information, debates, ideas, conflicts, controversies, politics and so forth will be thrown at it.
    Symbol Generators, Infinite Abstraction Recursions, Infinite Machines ever more complex, symbols and concepts and time…
    THE EIGHT

  381. nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
    CINDERELLA CANDY…

  382. routersurfer January 24, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    So Jeter has a seat at the table. Cool. My guess– all they will be listening for is how to turn a $ out of the coming mess. Times change. Fortune passes elsewhere. Time to play EndCiv, again. Thanks Frank! Next year never comes for some.

  383. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    … based on looks, money, ect.
    If you[r] daughter brings home Sidney Poitier, she should be read the riot act
    =============
    First, Vlad, it’s etc. I know you’re in a rush to get your message out but you should make a habit of proofreading before submitting.
    About that movie you’re referencing…WOW, it’s been 46 years already. Today’s young might not even “get” my favorite scene. The father (Spencer Tracy) is processing the implications of his daughter having brought home to dinner a man/boyfriend/fiance (gasp!) as black as the ace of spades. The camera begins to slowly pan in until Tracy’s face fills the whole movie screen and he slowly intones, articulating each word, “WELL..I’LL..BE..A..SON..OF..A..BITCH.”
    This was racy stuff in 1967 and I near split a gut.

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  384. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Good discrimination. And yes: few women have much too offer at the level of the mind. The sexes have their own separate cutlures – that’s understood in all real Cultures. They come together in the context of the family: wives, sisters, mothers, husbands, brothers, fathers. Thus the two cultures come together to form Human Society. It’s not a chaos or a free for all as Playboy Philosophy teaches. Hugh Hefner has done major work in destroying the West.
    Of course playboys despise their conquests – they are despicable. And the conquests feel they are conquering the men – and typically despise them too. Not to see these things is to dwell in unreality. That old canard of 1st wave feminism, the prostitute/madonna complex is true. Men do see it that way and that is the way it is. Women who have been around much are not good marriage prospects. Thus SMV (sexual market value) is inversely proportional to MMV (marriage market value). MMV does a nose dive after 30 and the playgirls desperately start calling those whom they rejected years ago. Little do they know that their MMV has gone down the more they played and waited for Mr Right (rich guy). What does the typical woman have to offer but her youth, beauty and sweetness (cheerful submission). The first two she squandered on having fun and the third was squelched by feminism.
    One caveat: after 30, when smv begins to go down, mmv goes down with it. No matter if she was a virgin or a slut, Nature bats last and she is no longer desirable either for a night or a marriage.

  385. anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    Davos:
    How About Throwing $14 Trillion Away for “Green” Socialism …
    minx.cc/?post=336794
    2 days ago – Davos: How About Throwing $14 Trillion Away for “Green” Socialism … A green energy plan for the world is completely unsustainable, because …
    Networks Ignore $14-Trillion Global ‘Greening’
    ………………………………………… Plan | NewsBusters
    newsbusters.org › Blogs › Mike Ciandella’s blog
    20 hours ago – It’s easy to miss $14 trillion dollars if nobody reports on it. … Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who leads the Green Growth Alliance, argued that investing this type o
    Davos call for $14 trillion ‘greening’ – WTF RLY REPORT
    wtfrly.com/…/davos-call-for-14-trillion-greening-of-global-economy…
    2 days ago – Davos call for $14 trillion ‘greening’ of global economy … a Liar · San Francisco Public Utilities Commission reveals plans to possibly use … to the Green Growth Action Alliance, created at last year’s Davos meeting in Mexico.
    …………………………………..
    Davos Report Calls For Additional $14 Trillion – redOrbit
    http://www.redorbit.com › News › Science
    1 day ago – The world must spend an additional $14 trillion on clean energy … chairman of the Davos-commissioned Green Growth Action Allianc
    …………………………………….
    Davos!

  386. anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    And I have ‘been around’ enough to know some Woman Haters luv pussy!
    Its the female persona they detest.

  387. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    you can at least remove the courtesy of a response (which makes it very angry and gets it a chewing-out from its’ superiors for not properly distracting/engaging).
    ==============
    [sarcasm on]
    My superiors pay me equally for posts generated that are talking-to or talking-about. You are in the talking-about category. Besides, I’m not compensated per post. Click-throughs and scroll pasts and replies are all equal for obvious reasons.
    [sarcasm off]
    High six figures and benefits just to play games with you? You really believe what you are writing, ozone, that I am paid to post on CFN? Who pays you to post here year after year?
    You are more gullible than most.

  388. anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    And ‘they’ can read anyone’s emails.
    Police state. Recently someone whined that I was paranoid, using the PS terminology.
    No, I am right. PS alert.
    THANKS CW.

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  389. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    I strongly discriminate between your helping me with a chronic error like the spelling of sacrIfice and a little error of carelessness like this. This is not nice or necessary. Thanks again for the former. Too bad you can’t tell the difference – which makes me question the purity of your motives. Is it too aid or merely to do the “gotcha”? I admit the prevalence of mixed motives of course…. Real Alchemy is the separation of the inferior from the superior, the dross from the gold.

  390. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    His mud hut somewhere in the southern desert hinterlands.
    There do not see to be any IP addies going to any southern hinterlands surprise surprise. If you go to the View Stats on the homepage it turns out there is a surprising amount of info if you dig into it.
    I’m engaging my front paws now. This is me.
    Someone is actually using a puter at the Seattle Public Library right now!
    This is me:
    24 Jan 14:01:00
    SeaMonkey 2.15
    Linux
    1366×768
    United States Flag
    Bellevue, Washington,
    United States Comcast Cable (50.135.213.9)
    http://www.kunstler.com/index.php
    kunstler.com/blog/2013/01/commitments-and-obligations.html
    Dirt is spraying back between my legs. We have a lot of international viewers but I’ve only seen one ‘south’ from Mexico and One from Costa Rica so far.
    So is the dynamic duo 1, 2 or many? We should be able to soon figure it out.
    What shall be the 8 mans fate?

  391. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    Someone is actually using a puter at the Seattle Public Library right now!
    Not Me, someone else.

  392. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    It’s probably Radu. He’s a homeless schizophrenic who has us all fooled. CFN’s very own Fisher King.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqL_ja23Nv0

  393. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    And you want to be part of our Nation! That is the real joke. You are incapable of being a citizen because you fail the ordeal of civility. Saturday Night Live, Letterman, Comedy Central – these are your reality. Mocking Christian Whites is what you people and I do mean “you people” would have to renounce. You sacrifice your biggest pleaure? Not in a million years.
    Your neuteured Gentile attack dogs too. Turk sacrifice his public hatred of Christianity? Never. Ozone to stop mocking the Right? What meaing would his life have?

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  394. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Jesus, Kyoo is going to have a Field Day with this. It’s like wrapping yourself in raw chicken and walking along a pond full of alligators. Don’t watch, folks, It won’t be pretty.
    Please wipe that foam from your mouth and go see the vet about that rabies shot.

  395. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Interesting stats page, K-Dog.
    Since Asoka is obviously addicted to CFN and posts incessantly, I would say Asoka is in Brattleboro, Vermont where the highest number of visits comes from: 883 visits.
    Asoka is therefore lying about mud huts, South America, the southwest, etc. You have uncovered valuable information about our Asoka character, who as P4C said, comes nowhere close to the real historical Ashoka.
    Good work, K-Dog!

  396. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    Yes, thank you. Being a woman is a performance. Of course the personality itself is a persona or mask over the soul. But women put another mask over their real personality – to hide their ruthlessness and mercenary motives. Of course a woman could begin to fall in love with a man – and then see he would be unable to provide her with the things she so richly deserves. Thus a conflict is engendered in the woman – between her real personality and her mask. It’s time for the man to exit because almost certainly, the mask will win. Or it will torment her even if she she is able to put it away for awhile.
    Of course there are real or valid questions. If the woman is Traditional and want children, she has every right to find a good provider. This is where all this comes from. But for Career Women with lots of their own money and who don’t want kids to proceed like this just shows how the Mask can dominate the personality.

  397. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    And I thought you were telling the truth about using a computer at the Seattle Public Library.
    Somebody is and may be a bit freaked out now too.
    So how is the weather in Brattleboro?
    The Department of Defense has also been here today. Friend or foe, will we ever know?

  398. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

    Too bad you can’t tell the difference
    ==============
    I understand completely the unimportance of ect vs etc. but I do it to continually reinforce my CFN persona slash OCD bona fides.

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  399. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

    Who is surfing the Net at work? Somebody was viewing from Richelieu Foods in Chicago. Is that you, HW? Can you give us some gift certificates for all our hard work? Nah, forget it, we don’t want that toxic shit.
    That Brattleboro is nuts. Who, or what, the hell is that? Is it a satellite office of the NSA or DHS? If so, a hardy welcome to you all. Here’s mud in yer face!!

  400. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Somebody working at Harvard has been here too. Shouldn’t they be thinking?

  401. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    K-Dog, it’s cold in Brattleboro, especially after sundown. Supposed to get to -12 degrees tonight, but they say by Feb. we’ll have daytime temps near freezing.
    You suppose our Asoka is on the faculty at that bastion of multiculturalism, School for International Training. That may be where he gets his crazy ideas. Maybe Asoka is an SIT liberal professor, poisoning the minds of our youth? If so, he should spend more time in the meditation building at SIT and less time on CFN.

  402. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    Kyooshtik, you are doing an excellent job. Pay no mind to Radu. You are performing exactly as you should here on CFN, as are we all, to make the best clusterfuck we know how to make.

  403. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    Someone from King & Spalding in Atlanta took a break from their meetings and paperwork to read the madness. Is that you, Steven Guynn? If so, nice house. Now go kick some ass and make Radu proud. Put women in their place.
    http://abovethelaw.com/2012/11/lawyerly-lairs-a-castle-fit-for-a-king-spalding-partner/

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  405. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    Why is the DoD here? Perhaps they don’t understand satire. Neither do psychopaths. Guys, there’s nothing to see here, really. Be useful and prevent the thousands of rapes that will occur today rather than eavesdropping on the ramblings of harmless Madmen.

  406. Jam47 January 24, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    To Radu at 2:13 and anti soak at 2:16: yes and yes. Things are what they are.

  407. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    Diver rescues dolphin
    Can you help me get the lamp off my head.

  408. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

    The DoD has a legitimate interest in folks who want collapse, dream about collapse, and insist collapse is inevitable… i.e., they want collapse so much that they denigrate and deny any alternative visions, labeling them as “cornucopian” …
    Such people must be carefully monitored for our national security, donchaknow?
    Either that, or someone is bored out of their skull at DoD, and they enjoy the meaningless comments we post here for our entertainment.

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  409. Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises. Immigration is a net benefit to the USA. – Assoka
    Let’s have a look at this.
    So what have we got? Out of a total of 12 founders of these companies, 6 were American born.
    The 3 founders of Intel were all born in the USA as was one of the two founders of Yahoo and one of the two founders of Google and one of the four founders of Paypal. But nevermind these quibbles.
    Now let’s have a peek at who the foreign born folks are. Hmmm, all guys who earned degrees in the USA. Now I know this is an unworthy thought but how many were illegal immigrants? If you can believe wikipedia, none.
    So these – cough – “migrants” or their parents respected the law of the USA, got their shit together and asked permission to immigrate. LEGAL immigrants apparently. With a fucking PASSPORT.
    And omg among them not a single hispanic doing the reconquista. Amazing that. Not one a semi-literate/illiterate, destitute peasant with no docs, no visa, no passport, no permission, no prospects. Or so it seems.
    So is your idea that the USA let in only people that are highly educated, that have parents that are highly educated, that immigrate legally? And exclude/deport the rest?
    We’re just dying to know.
    Founders
    Google:
    Larry Page: born in Lansing Michigan. His father, Carl Page, earned a Ph.D. in computer science in 1965. Both he and Page’s mother, Gloria, were computer science professors at Michigan State. – per wikipedia
    Sergey Brin: immigrated to the United States with his family from the USSR at the age of six. He earned his undergraduate degree at the University of Maryland, following in his father’s and grandfather’s footsteps by studying mathematics as well as computer science. – per wikipedia
    Intel:
    Robert Noyce: born in Bulington Iowa. He was the son of the Rev. Ralph Brewster Noyce. His father was a 1915 graduate of Doane College, a 1920 graduate of Oberlin College and a 1923 graduate of Chicago Theological Seminary. He was also nominated for a Rhodes Scholarship. His mother, Harriet May Norton, a 1921 graduate of Oberlin College, – per wikipedia
    Gordon Moore: born in San Francisco, California. He received a B.S. degree in Chemistry from the U of C Berkeley in 1950 and a PhD in Chemistry and minor in physics from Caltech in 1954.- per wikipedia
    Arthur Rock: born in Rochester, NY is an American venture capitalist. He was an early investor in major firms including Intel, Apple. – per wikipedia and one published interview
    PayPal:
    Ken Howery is a co-founder and managing partner at Founders Fund. Howery graduated from Stanford University in 1998 with a BA in Economics. Sounds like he was born in the US but wikipedia gives no details.
    Luke Nosek is a Polish born American entreprenuer. Nosek received a BS in Computer Science from the U of Illinois. – per wikipedia
    Max Levchin: born in Ukraine, moved to the United States under political asylum and settled in Chicago in 1991. He earned his bachelor in Computer Science at the University of Illinois. – per wikipedia
    Peter Thiel: born to German parents in Germany, Thiel moved to the United States with his parents when he was a toddler. He received his BA in Philosophy from Stanford in 1989 and acquired a JD from Stanford Law School in 1992. – per wikipedia
    eBay:
    Pierre Omidyar was born in France to Iranian immigrants parents who had been sent by his grandparents to attend university there. His mother who did her doctorate in linguistics at the Sorbonne, is herself a well-known academic. His father was a Iranian surgeon. The family moved to the US when Omidyar was six. – per wikipedia
    Yahoo:
    David Filo: born in Wisconsin, earned a BS in Computer Engineering from Tulane University and an MS from Stanford University. – per wikipedia
    Jerry Yang: born in Taiwan on November 6, 1968, and moved to California at the age of ten with his mother and younger brother, earned a BS and MS in engineering from Stanford. – per wikipedia

  410. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    Immigration is a net benefit to the USA
    ============
    Study after study shows this is true: immigration is a net benefit.

  411. Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Omidyar got a degree in computer science from Tufts University.

  412. Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

    You still didn’t answer my questions.
    You cited several companies several of whose founders were immigrants as proof that immigration is beneficial to the USA. So what are we to conclude whern we look at the particulars of these individuals? Apparently none of them were illegal immigrants, all of them obtained university degrees, some have highly educated parents. So are we to conclude that you would accept only those that immigrate legally,that are highly educated, that preferably have highly educated parents? Would you exclude/deport the rest?

  413. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    Bingo
    asoka.. replied to comment from Rhino | January 24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
    4 Jan 15:33:33 Firefox 14.0
    Win7
    1440×900 United States Flag
    Alexandria,
    Virginia,
    United States
    Us Department Of Defense Network (140.194.40.45)
    http://www.kunstler.com/index.php
    (No referring link)
    Cornicopian motherfuckers at the Department of Defense are advocating unlimited immigration.
    Isn’t that sweet.
    Not

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  414. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

    Repeating for emphasis:
    24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
    4 Jan 15:33:33
    The only activity in that timeslice.

  415. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

    Immigrants are 12% of the population and 25% of patent applications. Innovation, intelligence, net benefit.

  416. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    Busted!
    Asoka is DoD in Virginia.
    Special message to K-Dog: back off civilian, cause the DoD has access to technology that can make your life miserable in Bellevue.
    Another example of the clusterfuck you have created with your own paws, K-Dog. Asoka is a government-paid Fed. Imagine that!

  417. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    Quiet all of a sudden too.
    Can’t say a cat got its tongue, it was a dog.

  418. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    Are you telling me to sit?

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  419. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    Asoka is Department of Defense in Virginia. But who is Department of Defense in Arizona? Vlad perhaps?

  420. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

    I was wrong about it being the oil and gas lobby.
    Ozone was right all along.

  421. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

    No, I’m not telling you to sit. I’m saying you can’t really tell much from the stats page. We don’t know who Asoka is, we don’t know where Asoka is. He could be in the southwest in a mud hut, or in the Seattle Public Library, in mommy’s basement in Athens, Georgia, in Boulder, Colorado, in Austin, Texas, in Ecuador in a mud hut, in Virginia at DoD, in Olympia, Washington (maybe at Evergreen), in Brattleboro, Vermont at SIT, or in any of the locations that show up on the stats page. You are guessing in the dark. Looking for Asoka on the stats page is like looking for a black cat in a pitch dark room. But the speculation certainly adds relevant material to CFN and helps us prepare for the coming collapse, the one that should be here in 40, 41, or 42 years, or thereabout. Just around the corner.

  422. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    Repeating for emphasis:
    24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
    24 Jan 15:33:33
    The only activity in that timeslice.
    Your usual tap dancing isn’t going to get you out of this one. If it does I’m taking lessons.

  423. Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

    Ooooo, oooo, K-Dog. Can you tell me where I’m posting from? This is sooo cool. Technology is awesome.

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  424. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    There do not see[m] to be any IP addies going to any southern hinterlands surprise surprise. If you go to the View Stats on the homepage it turns out there is a surprising amount of info if you dig into it.
    ============
    Holy Shit!! This is amazing…who knew? Talk about yer Big Brother. Next’ll be:
    Last time farted: 14.43.12
    Vol of gas: 57.3 cubic centimeters
    Gas analysis: Egg salad on rye toast w/lettuce, out-gas from previous day’s lunch
    Seriously K-Dog, do you understand what all this data means? For example, the entry on me shows 6 return visits. What does that mean?. I clicked out of CFN and went to another site for awhile then came back. It still said 6 return visits. Also, it is tracking how long I am here. If I leave computer on, minimize CFN while I go take a walk for an hour will that hour add to my total time on CFN?
    This “View Stats” page kind of kills the notion that we are actually anonymous.

  425. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    So 40, 41, or 42 years
    These must be the official numbers, probably based on winning all the oil wars too. Thanks.
    It would sure suck to be five years old.

  426. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

    883 visits: Brattleboro, Vermont.
    Total Visits: 2744
    Location: Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
    IP Address: Comcast Cable (75.75.3.229)
    Asoka is in Charlottesville! Asoka is a Southern Man!

  427. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    Don’t panic.
    So people know I’m near or in Bellevue WA and a private citizen, I’ve already admitted that. They also know I use Comcast. Had the K-Dog presidential race actually gone anywhere you would all know my real identity. I’ve nothing to hide.
    Tracking data is based on cookies, you left the page but did not shut down your browser and that is why the number 6 did not change.

  428. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:35 pm #

    Nice try, but nothing exceptional about that dance, tap baby tap.

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  429. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    Repeating for emphasis:
    Busted!
    Asoka is DoD in Virginia.
    Special message to K-Dog: back off civilian, cause the DoD has access to technology that can make your life miserable in Bellevue.
    Another example of the clusterfuck you have created with your own paws, K-Dog. Asoka is a government-paid Fed. Imagine that!

  430. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    Dog,
    Scrolling through the data I would guess that Vlad is in Boise. Would that be your conclusion?
    But I thought Vlad said he moved to Idaho then didn’t like it and moved on further west.
    Vlad, feel free to chime in. Fear not, I am not re-setting the drone co-ordinates.

  431. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    COININTELPRO turned out to be right on.
    No wonder that pissed you off so much.
    oh yeah
    What’s that expression?
    The more things change the more they stay the same.
    Ass-poke-ya I did.

  432. mistified January 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    “Don’t get me wrong, now, I’m thrilled my kid has a chance to do all this for free.”
    Well now, there is a big surprise. Not progressive likes free shit.

  433. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    This is a test related to the View Stats page.

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  434. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    I don’t know yet.
    All we have to do is associate a time stamp on a post to activity in the stats log. We will know soon, its only a matter of time. All we need is a one to one correspondence and the busting will be without doubt.
    Just like 3:33 PM today.

  435. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    it’s

  436. Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    OK Dog, riddle me this. The post above (a test) is time stamped 4:49 PM but I submitted it at precisely 4:41. That’s an 8 minute gap. I have long recognized that the time stamps on the CFN comments are way off from real time.
    Now then, the question is, are the times on the View Stats page similarly off? I ask because these time differences call into question the following you wrote concerning Asoka’s location:
    “Repeating for emphasis:
    24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
    24 Jan 15:33:33
    The only activity in that timeslice.”

  437. Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

    Things are developing nicely. You see, it doesn’t matter how you “feel” if they see you as part of “the South”. The choice comes to you whether you want it to or not.
    This creep is an Orthodox Christian – a convert from Evangelicalism. This is what hatred can do. Thus he serves the Satanic NWO – which hates Orthodoxy just like all other forms of Christianity.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2013/01/white-christian-and-treasonous-who-will-they-kill/

  438. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    Kyooshtik, do not question K-Dog. I am DoD, just like you were for 27 years. We are brothers.
    We know when K-Dog crosses the bridge between Bellevue and Seattle or goes north to Everett or South to Burien.
    We know everything at DoD and we are the good guys keeping our nation safe.

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  439. xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    Wish I could afford Windows 7. I wish that I could afford a computer that is capable of running Windows 7. Windows 8? Another MS Turd. Hey! why do R&D when you can just buy hot tech companies and assimilate theirs. You will be assimilated. At least I can download Linux source code and REALLY screw up my antique (…ha!) computer.
    You know, I just love to read all this personl bickering and government drama.
    But, compared to just one simple fact, none of it means jack shit anymore.
    350 ppm.
    We are about to bicker ourselves into oblivion.

  440. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

    CORRECTION
    We know everything at DoD and we are the good guys keeping our nation safe. WE ARE LARGE. WE CONTAIN MULTITUDES! Largest damn bureaucracy in the whole USA to save your asses from the Muslim jihadists.

  441. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

    I just love to read all this personl bickering and government drama.
    =======
    Me, too. Now that K-Dog has revealed that DoD is monitoring CFN, it makes all the comment thread so much more exciting. K-Dog nailed it: 3:33. Proof positive that Asoka is an employee of DoD.

  442. xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    I have a vision…
    Why, it’s Bullwinkle…and he’s wearing a turban.
    “Hey Rocky! I’m a Moose-lim!”

  443. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    May Allah forgive you for your blasphemy against Islam.
    Play your cards right and you get 72 virgins, too.

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  444. xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

    Ok. Ya got my longitude & latitude, my home address, my preference in after-shave…
    Allah and I are in complete agreement. Ya don’t have my Theme Song. An important addition to the Langley archive. As usual, turn the amps to 11.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Y-VEk7ATs

  445. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

    There seems to be an awful lot of protestation to K Dog’s theory. You know the saying…thou who do protesteth…..
    For any of you who are DoD, fuck you, ya pricks. What a bunch of loser cowards…stuck with latrine duty. Get a life, you lackeys. The Plutocrats thank you for you for your vacuous servility.

  446. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

    Although, Radu and Asoka have posted lately, but there is no stamp from DoD. Collapse takes back his comments about the DoD folks. You’re good and decent people looking out for the otherwise defenseless rich folks. We can’t fault you for that. You’re just doing your job. Carry on.
    Fond Regards,
    Smedley

  447. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    Ya got my longitude & latitude, my home address, my preference in after-shave…
    ============
    Yeah, and we got the UN breathing down our neck, so no drones for you.

  448. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

    Mr. Butler was a traitor.
    As you were.
    Semper Fi!

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  449. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    Do you know of a way to alleviate the symptoms of Bell’s Palsy? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  450. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    Although, Radu and Asoka have posted lately, but there is no stamp from DoD.
    ==============
    Do you civilians really think that DoD would use a public IP address and not use an anonymously secure internet connection that encrypts our sensitive web traffic from hackers, network spies, and insecure networks?
    Don’t you civilians know that DoD can surf websites like CFN anonymously, we can hide our online identity, we can hide our internet history and we can do all that from inside of our secure web browsers?
    And you clowns are looking at a CFN “stats” page, and begin to draw all kinds of conclusions. Hilarious! You have no idea of DoD capabilities. You are innocent sheep easily led.

  451. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

    Physical therapy for Bell’s palsy
    Four trials studied the efficacy of electrical stimulation (313 participants), three trials studied exercises (199 participants), and five studies compared or combined some form of physical therapy with acupuncture (360 participants). For most outcomes we were unable to perform meta-analysis because the interventions and outcomes were not comparable.
    For the primary outcome of incomplete recovery after six months, electrostimulation produced no benefit over placebo (moderate quality evidence from one study with 86 participants). Low quality comparisons of electrostimulation with prednisolone (an active treatment)(149 participants), or the addition of electrostimulation to hot packs, massage and facial exercises (22 participants), reported no significant differences. Similarly a meta-analysis from two studies, one of three months and the other of six months duration, (142 participants) found no statistically significant difference in synkinesis, a complication of Bell’s palsy, between participants receiving electrostimulation and controls. A single low quality study (56 participants), which reported at three months, found worse functional recovery with electrostimulation (mean difference (MD) 12.00 points (scale of 0 to 100) 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.26 to 22.74).Two trials of facial exercises, both at high risk of bias, found no difference in incomplete recovery at six months when exercises were compared to waiting list controls or conventional therapy. There is evidence from a single small study (34 participants) of moderate quality that exercises are beneficial on measures of facial disability to people with chronic facial palsy when compared with controls (MD 20.40 points (scale of 0 to 100), 95% CI 8.76 to 32.04) and from another single low quality study with 145 people with acute cases treated for three months where significantly fewer participants developed facial motor synkinesis after exercise (risk ratio 0.24, 95% CI 0.08 to 0.69). The same study showed statistically significant reduction in time for complete recovery, mainly in more severe cases (47 participants, MD -2.10 weeks, 95% CI -3.15 to -1.05) but this was not a prespecified outcome in this meta analysis.Acupuncture studies did not provide useful data as all were short and at high risk of bias. None of the studies included adverse events as an outcome.
    SOURCE: Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2011 Dec 7;(12):CD006283. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD006283.pub3.
    Physical therapy for Bell’s palsy (idiopathic facial paralysis).
    Teixeira LJ, Valbuza JS, Prado GF.

  452. s556m5g1m78s January 24, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    from the province, mainly in two aspects: one is the perfect sound level of the central and provincial financial system.It should be affirmed, the central province of the financial system is quite good.Since the 17th National Congress of the CPC, the State Ministry of finance through the deepening of reform, in general maintained relatively stable basis on the proper adjustment of the division of revenue and expenditure responsibilities at all levels of government.At the same time, increased the transfer of the payments, our province will be part of the transfer payment forms of local fiscal revenue, to ensure and improve people’s livelihood and other aspects of fiscal expenditure, effectively promote equal access to basic public services and regional coordinated development of the province.But a comprehensive assessment of the central province of the financial system, there are too many governmental affairs division is not clear, the transfer payment of the special transfer payment proportion is too large, the project, general transfer payment proportion is too small, still need to be further improved.

    how to change?The eighteen Party Congress report clearly pointed out: "to accelerate the reform of the taxation system, improve the central and local financial resources to match the power system, improve the public finance system construction to promote the equalization of basic public services and the main functional areas, the construction of local tax system, is conducive to the formation of structure optimization, social fair tax system."Based on this spirit, combined with the transformation of economic development of our province actual, I think the current fiscal and taxation system reform in our province, should be with the central synchronization, but also should be focused on.

    is another level, improve the financial system below the provincial level.Actively explore the basic financial guarantee mechanism, to further improve the reform of province governing county and township fiscal management.The key is to grasp the reorientation of finance function and the provincial public finance management is too long, the problem of insufficient manpower, means.Through deepening tax reform, improve the financial system below the provincial level, promote grass-roots government’s public service capacity and financial management level is improved by a large margin.

    , improve the central and local financial resources proportionate to the fiscal and taxation system

    is also further improve the existing tax system in the financial management system.The financial system is the norm from the central to the financial distribution relationship between local government institutional arrangements.A sound financial system, is not only to promote the region so that the coordinated economic and social development of the financial system security, but also improve the important premise of the public finance system and the market economy system.

    finance is "the mother of politics".Public finance has the stable economy, resource allocation, income distribution, supervision and management functions, is the material basis for the government to perform its functions, the system guarantee, policy tools and means of supervision.In implementing the spirit of the eighteen process, the significant responsibility of all-round, side, from small to large to kindergarten development "beautiful China", both are closely linked inseparable.Especially in our province to speed up the perfection of the market economic system and the transformation of the mode of economic development, more important support function.However, this must be a new round of tax reform in depth, in order to make it more adapted to the current economic and social development needs, in order to better play a new role.Reform in finance and taxation

  453. ozone January 24, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    “Do you civilians really think that DoD would use a public IP address and not use an anonymously secure internet connection that encrypts our sensitive web traffic from hackers, network spies, and insecure networks?” Ass-poker
    Okay, shithead, I’ll play.
    In a word: Yes.
    It’s what you call “hubris”, you treasonous fucks.
    …And just fucking stop your wankery about your drones that you’re about to apply an extreeeeeme about of hubris (and taxpayer dinero) to.
    Do you really believe the Chinese and Russkies have been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses while concertedly being surrounded by the Musclehead Empire? Jeebus and the Baby gawd wept; you need some very expensive satellites to make this continue working. Data from this kind of harware can be made to go away… Oopsie, no mas “eyes in da skies. (And on the cheap too, you stupid massive technology dependents.)
    You’re fucked, and you’ll reap your reward right here on planet Earth, dickwads…
    Enjoy.

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  454. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    You’re fucked, and you’ll reap your reward right here on planet Earth, dickwads…
    Enjoy.
    ===========
    Exactly.
    Iran, North Korea, China, etc. will all get theirs. Nobody equals the DoD of the greatest country on earth. I am a proud soldier fighting for freedom in a world fraught with danger.

  455. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    Figured out the DoD angle. It was the comment Collapse made about Al Qaeda. They are the Golden Boys of the DoD, and they don’t take kindly to calling that Golden Goose that lays the Golden Eggs “hairy motherfuckers.” Well, too bad. That’s what they are, and there will be no taking that back. Now, back to your hot tub in Davos, and a pox upon your privates.
    http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Mondo+Bossa+una+Outra+Vez/4522643

  456. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    I am a proud soldier fighting for freedom in a world fraught with danger.

    Thank you for your service, but please, take a break. You only have so many layers of skin on your John Thomas and then it’s just nerve, blood and bone. Salvage what you have and rebuild…you’re going to need it.

  457. Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    The “view stats” says Java is enabled, but when the browser is reviewed, it is disabled. Anyone else have this contradiction. If you don’t have it disabled, you should. It’s easily hackable garbage.

  458. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    Thank you for your service, but please, take a break.
    ===========
    Take a break? You can do that as a civilian. I cannot. I am protecting your freedom.
    Vigilance is the best guarantor of our liberty.
    Thank you for your concern, but DoD never sleeps. We are large. We spy on multitudes.

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  459. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    Embrace the contradiction. It’s one of the ways we at DoD create confusion for you easily led gullible civilian sheep.

  460. ozone January 24, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    Oh dear! Can we collapse into quivering heaps, while beshitting ourselves yet?
    “New cyber legislation is being considered, but it is unclear whether it will get through the gridlocked Congress.”
    Not to worry, Janet! Savior Prez to the rescue! (How propinquitous and timely.)
    “President Barack Obama is expected to soon issue an executive order that would set up a voluntary system to help protect some critical infrastructure and offer incentives to companies that participate.”
    ^Quotes^ from Reuters:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/us-usa-cyber-threat-idUSBRE90N1A320130124
    **********************************************
    “Incentives”, hmmmm, “incentives”… what could the gum’mint possibly MEAN by that?
    Fuggit. Let’s just go snowkiting.

  461. Lucky 13 January 24, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

    I love Grooveshark!
    Whats DoD?

  462. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

    Get a newer laptop or net-book. Your problem is that the old hardware is not supported well enough. I’m using a Dell 1545 right now and running:
    (uses paw to cut and paste from the kunstler.com stats page)
    SeaMonkey 2.15
    Linux
    1366×768
    More specifically I’m running the latest Ubuntu release. Getting the wireless cards to work can be tricky but for me it went without a hitch.
    I also have the identical setup on an Acer Aspire D150 which I’ll take with me if I leave the doghouse for a long time. You could pick up one of those pretty cheap on EBAY I think. That one was under $300 new several years ago.
    That and a memory stick and you are good to go as you know.
    The thing to do is get a newer laptop, you need that so the battery has a better chance of working besides getting the hardware that a new distro supports.
    I think Viking gods required bickering into oblivion be done with honor. I’ll be checking.

  463. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    Fuggit. Let’s just go snowkiting.
    ========
    That’s the spirit, ozone. Focus on chopping wood, snowshoeing, growing veggies in your greenhouse, and posting on CFN.
    Leave threat response to us big boys. We are protecting you, all of you, anarchists and racists alike. We took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
    Semper Fi!

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  464. simike586 January 24, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

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    Solar energy is the light and the heat from the sun. Solar energy is free and its supplies are unlimited. There are n air and water pollution caused about by using solar energy. But there is still some impacts on the environment although indirect.

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  465. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 8:11 pm #

    Anticipate the DoD initials to change on the stats page soon if they have not changed already.
    Perhaps they will become the IoF
    The
    Dnsecto of Fumigación
    department.
    Security Leaks get plugged but this one slipped by bigger than shit. Such a thing is called a bug in software.
    Yeah who’d a known those two databases would get crossed; IP Addresses referenced to owner. Who’d a thunk that? Who could be so dumb?
    Who but a paid troll could use such an address.
    Woof

  466. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    Insecto of Fumigación

  467. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 8:27 pm #

    From your article.
    “She urged Congress to pass legislation governing cyber security so the government could share information with the private sector to prevent an attack on infrastructure, much of which is privately owned”
    Seems you found the problem. There is too much privately owned infrastructure for the government to fully control the internet so they need legislation so things like the Asoka incident do not happen again.

    24 Jan 15:33:33
    Firefox 14.0
    Win7
    1440×900
    United States Flag
    Alexandria,
    Virginia,
    United States
    Us Department Of Defense Network (140.194.40.45)

    Think of it Zone, we’s almost famous.
    The probability is high that she could be reading about us writing about her wanting to stop us,- tomorrow.
    I’d stick around and watch the tap dancing of the serpent of many heads but snowkiting. sounds like a good idea. I’m going to go work out.
    Unless I’m tossed from a helicopter I’ll be back.

  468. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    Who but a paid troll could use such an address.
    ===============
    If I don’t use an anonymous web proxy, I don’t get paid. All my posts to CFN have to be secured. DoD SOP avoids SNAFU and FUBAR.

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  469. k-dog January 24, 2013 at 8:32 pm #

    Don’t worry they’ll fix the problem and your exposure will be secured. I’m sure the problem is being worked right now.
    Relax asshole.

  470. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    Thank you for paying my salary, K-Dog.
    Why don’t you do something else useful besides paying me to post here? Take on a political project like ending homelessness by housing our veterans, our seniors and our low-income families?

  471. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    K-Dog, here are four specific suggestions for getting started on ending homelessness, instead of wasting your time here:
    1) Get a moratorium on the disbursement of any further HOPE VI monies. The requirements for obtaining such a grant must be amended. In the first instance, the demolition of housing should be a last resort. Many units have been family homes for generations, and the immoral destruction of these homes must end.
    2) In those instances where rebuilding is the best option, the program must require a one-to-one replacement of any demolished unit.
    3) Furthermore, these new units must be reserved for low-income families who depend on public housing.
    4) Finally, the siting of additional or new units must be in urban centers with access to transit and jobs and not in undesirable and remote areas that burden residents with crippling commutes.

  472. myrtlemay January 24, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

    All of this reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend this afternoon at tea. We were discussing the internet and the “Google” search. I was telling her that I use it for just about everything. She shook her head at me (she’s about 13 years younger) and said, “Then you’re a fool. Don’t you know that “they” are monitoring you and everyone that uses “Google”?
    I replied, “You mean you don’t think that ‘they’ are monitoring your every movement on the internet?” She thus continued the shaking at the head at me being an imbecile. I got up, said goodbye, and slowly walked away. I try to pride myself when I’m intellectually over my head – which is most of the time.
    Oh, by the way, we got on the subject by commenting on how the property she owns is readily seen via a google map. She was really stressed about it because she has vast amounts of acreage and she was concerned about its location being so readily seen on line.
    I don’t think she’s a prepper, but like so many these days, she and her husband have secured a nice stretch of farmable land. On it, they own a sustainable style home capable of holding their entire extended family. Probably 12-16 people, give or take.
    For what it’s worth, that’s my two cents for now, live (for now) from lovely Greensboro, NC. (timestamp 9:02, location: Brussels, Belgium)

  473. myrtlemay January 24, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    K-dog and I don’t always agree, but I don’t agree that he’s wasting his time here. I enjoy reading what he has to say. He makes a great deal of sense. Deriding him kind of makes it look like someone is afraid of being upstaged.

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  474. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    LOL!
    K-Dog is a former presidential candidate, which indicates he is intelligent, highly motivated, and very concerned. He so intelligent he is capable of multitasking, which means he can both post here and do something to help the veterans, seniors, and low-income who are homeless.
    K-Dog is also a good dog with a good heart. No fear of upstaging. I really appreciate K-Dog. Woof.

  475. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    Here is Vlad:
    Location: Spokane, Washington, United States
    IP Address: Century Link (75.165.168.89)

  476. asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    Here is asoka..
    4 Jan 15:33:33 Firefox 14.0
    Win7
    1440×900 United States Flag
    Alexandria,
    Virginia,
    United States
    Us Department Of Defense Network (140.194.40.45)

  477. progress4conserving January 24, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    Very nicely done, K-dog!
    A little help, though, if you please.
    Where are “view stats?”
    I’ve tried IE and Firefox – I’ve been looking and clicking around like crazy.
    What am I missing?

  478. progress4conserving January 24, 2013 at 11:58 pm #

    I’m running a “Do Not Track” program.
    And I’ve got pop-ups blocked.
    Is that why I’m not seeing “view stats?”
    Like the pirate with the ships wheel jammed in his trousers said –
    “It’s driving me nuts!”
    ====================
    More conjecture about the soaker hose – and I’m flying blind because I haven’t seen the stats, yet.
    There seem to be two possibilities:
    1. He’s paid to troll here as part of his job
    2. He’s wasting time here when he should be doing something else at the DoD.
    My vote goes to #2 as more likely.
    In which case he’s (hopefully) shitting a brick now that his work IP is plastered all over the internet via his exploits at CFN.
    Amazing, in either case.
    Again, very well done, K-dog.
    Now, how do I find that #%^(O*%$ “view stats.?”

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  479. Ixnei January 25, 2013 at 12:22 am #

    Ever notice how these RepubTards rail against *entitlements*? Ever notice how they *TOTALLY MILK* those entitlements themselves, at a level 1 order of magnitude higher than those, “60-70% freeloaders?!?” (For the daft amongst yea, 1 order of magnitude is 10 times. And here I thought *they’d* only make enemies of the 47% that don’t pay taxes – LULZ)

  480. Ixnei January 25, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    And don’t forget, *their* free health insurance policy, courtesy of ?!?

  481. Ixnei January 25, 2013 at 12:31 am #

    Damn, constituency at home is thinking, “keep those no-bid, cost plus contracts rollin’ in!”

  482. lsjogren January 25, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    “It seems obvious to me that in the, say, four years ahead (one presidential term), we will not come to grips with any of the forces of reality bearing down on us.”
    Kunstler’s predictions are likely very close to the mark, but wrong timetable. Fracking has bought our society a stay of execution for 20-30 years.
    The collapse may hit just in time for me not to get committed to a nursing home in my 80s because they will cease to exist. Poor me, a merciful death along with a life lived entirely during a miraculous period of human history built on the use of fossil fuels.
    Then most of the human race will die off, and in all likelihood a new golden age of mankind will emerge at some point in the future, one with a small fraction of the unsustainable human population the earth is groaning to support currently.
    And it is striking the profound injustice of it all. We lived in an era of unimaginable wealth, while the younger generation today face living (more likely dying) in something akin to a world war environment, but a war that has no hope of ending for decades if not centuries.

  483. lsjogren January 25, 2013 at 1:59 am #

    Ixnei: There are huge problems we face, and you have nothing better to do than to dwell on your petty political fetishes?

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  484. Soul Pucker January 25, 2013 at 2:07 am #

    What’s the name of the famous artist who paints on women’s stomachs using his p.e,nis as a brush? Thanks.
    I realize that this question is a bit off-topic. Sorry.

  485. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 2:17 am #

    No problem:
    Go to the menu under JHK’s mug. (That means under his face for our viewers in Riyadh Saudi Arabia.)
    Click HOME
    Under ABOUT ME
    MY BOOKS
    MY WRITINGS
    PAINTINGS
    ARCHITECTURE
    LINKS
    Click: View Stats
    On the far left under the Summary Column you will find a number of selections by which to view the website traffic.
    And now why I’ve just logged on.
    al-Qaeda al-Smieda, they have nothing to do with northern Mali.
    I just watched a documentary on the Sahrawi people of Western Sahara. Seems were being fed bullshit about what is going on in northern Mali. As usual we are supporting the wrong side.
    In northern Mali borders are just lines in the sand. This documentary provides essential background to understand what is going on there.
    Our own John R. Bolton of Bush era torture fame makes several appearances.
    It’s Four paws up.
    A proud Sahrawi man says in the film:
    “Freedom is not something that is given, it is only something that can be taken away.”
    I consider that to be the most important of my finds all day. Not that I didn’t already know.

  486. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 2:18 am #

    Netflix

  487. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 2:34 am #

    1. He’s paid to troll here as part of his job
    2. He’s wasting time here when he should be doing something else at the DoD.
    Dude it is #1.
    If it were #2 he’d be fired or courts-martial-ed or something, even at the DoD. Make all the jokes you want but he’d have to pretend to work but his efforts here clearly indicates that he does this full time.
    No way he could hide it. No way he could just be a soldier on a military base doing this part time expressing his own opinions. But I’m sure he will be trying that excuse soon now that I’ve suggested it.
    And remember, the snake has many heads. And all are cowards.

  488. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 2:37 am #

    Oops sorry.
    ‘indicate’ without the s
    But I do good for a dog.

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  489. Eleuthero5 January 25, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    Well, I see it’s business as usual here on CFN with >60% of the traffic either initiated by Asoka or responding to him. How many times do I have to tell y’all … DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS?!!
    Now that that’s outta the way, on to interesting business. What do you call an economy where real wages are falling sharply, workforce participation is at 40+ year lows, velocity of money is LOWER than 2008 yet … inflation is now way above the Fed’s target rate and high-end real estate (like the Hamptons) is selling like gangbusters?
    You call it STAGFLATION. The one in the late 1970s was bad and took many years (actually about six years after Nixon closed the gold window) to ignite. Only our overall economic condition was MUCH better in the 1978-1979 timeframe. We had no real Federal debt, high workforce participation, and reasonable M1 velocity.
    As those of you who’ve been here for a while know, I’m a fervent “Black Swan” investor only I’ve warned people here for some time (though JHK doesn’t get it) that you should NOT SHORT THE STOCK MARKET. With Federal annual debt at 10% of GDP, the Fed still engaging in QEinfinity, and the rich finally stopping hoarding and starting to spend, get ready for slow inflation. No, it won’t start tomorrow but it’s now as inevitable as Spring grass. So … buy gold?? Nah.
    Probably the best long term (and I mean your MINIMUM hold period is five years) investment being handed to you now is to buy a fund that SHORT’S THE LONG TREASURY. There are many funds which do this in the Rydex and Profunds families. I like RRPIX. The US is certainly going to have another sovereign debt rating downgrade, we’re too far out on the debt limb for any solution but QEinfinity, and China is seriously threatening to dump Treasuries strictly based on our problems.
    The 30-year Treasury has a yield around 3.1% and as inflation slowly, ever so slowly, trickles in, that’s going to look ridiculous. And it is. Maybe you think gold is going to $3000/ounce but I think it’s likelier than in five years the Long Bond will yield at least six percent … which will return more than 125% in RRPIX.
    ECRI’s inflation readings are pointing upwards, the Fed is worried about the surprising latest numbers, and ECRI’s GDP growth curve is also pointing sharply upward (though the industries that are growing aren’t the ones you’d like to grow … they’re the ones that’ll cost you like Pharma). I believe shorting the Long Bond will outperform whatever gold or the stockmarket do.
    E.

  490. Eleuthero5 January 25, 2013 at 3:09 am #

    K-DOG said:
    And remember, the snake has many heads. And all are cowards.
    *******************************************************************
    Yawn. Besides his profusion of names with dots in them, and without, this guy has always been a rhetorical coward. The “I’m an enlightened Buddhist” shtick only adds to the farce that he has become and, along with it, the whole of CFN as well.
    Now he’s an uber-patriot. Hilarious. Hilarious but SAD because every time I come back for a short visit, his posts and responses to his posts monopolize the board. Of course, I recommend not responding to him directly but none of you that are left will take this simple advice.
    ACT AS IF HE DOESN’T EXIST. Be disciplined!! Be united!! This guy soooo craves attention that if he talks in a vacuum for two weeks it will unnerve him into a convulsion.
    E.

  491. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 3:13 am #

    Why do we have to take either side? Or any side, since there are probably many? Both sides in Libya sucked and it’s probably the same here.
    If I was the same person as asoka, and he is DoD, would I be taking this point of view? I’m for what is known as “isolationism” or Peace in terms of foreign policy. As you know, any talk of Peace for America is like the sight of a penis by an old maid to these folks. Thank you Takimag for that one.
    And White Nationalism? The less said the better. They hate that far more than they hate the Left – which they have well under their control as witness Bill Ayers, et al.

  492. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 7:19 am #

    Hmmmm…..DoD Arizona trolling at 4:00am. Doesn’t sound like the same bored employee who was trolling yesterday. Marietta, Georgia is home to Lockheed-Martin (Martin-Marietta)/Dobbins Air Force Base, so that could be “Defense” related, as well. Talk about a creepy place. That area of the Atlanta suburbs is like being on a another planet….a planet called Littleton, Colorado. There is a terrible energy when you travel through those parts. It’s sinister and alien.
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/dobbins.htm

  493. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 7:34 am #

    LOL!! Don’t pay attention to Asoka, pay attention to me. I have sound investment advice….short treasuries, not stocks. Too funny. So many are soooooo concerned, and yet, the trajectory appears irreversible. Why is that, do you suppose?
    You can take your investment advice and shove it up your arse. It’s not only not worth a hill of beans, but it’s duplicitous and deceptive, and only meant to enrich you at the expense of all others. That’s what investment is….any investment before, now, and forever more.

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  494. nameta9 January 25, 2013 at 7:58 am #

    NUMBER SYSTEMS
    Connection between information chunks in minds and feelings, emotions, meanings, expectations and such. The programming of a mind to associate all information chunks to possible pain/pleasure or feelings or expectations of pleasure and pain even though only a very small amount of real impulses triggering real pain/pleasure and feelings (ever occurs or happens anyways) is implied by most events and endeavors, almost as if it were a completely abstract world, almost all abstract, indistinguishable from any other set of bits in minds, to any other arrangement of bits or any other succession of bits, to any organized bits according to time or space as it is all equal and the same except for what it could possibly imply in terms of pain/pleasure, a sequence of events imagined but almost never actuated, only seldomly but those seldom times gives reality to all the sequences of expected and imagined and feared or hoped for events, events that never will occur.
    So value and importance is always just an association of a set of bits with imagined feelings and occurences and events. It is all just an arbitrary programming of neural networks to associate some bits of information to some emotions or possibilities and hence the creation of importance and value, the totally arbitrary and invented and programmed for no reason at all of things which are good as opposed to bad, which are valuable as opposed to useless, which count and are important as opposed to what is nothing at all: the measurement, the measurements according to values and the creation of NUMBERS to actually fix them on a scale: the amount, greater and less than, bigger or smaller, bigger is always better than smaller, hence the obsession of our Civilization for numbers and statistics, the GDP, the number of items sold, the amount of money, billions of dollars and billions of smartphones and trillions of dollars and so forth but almost always just imagined, just invented, rarely corresponding to any reality and such. And natural evolution and Physics and the laws of physics are also obsessed with quantity and numbers, natural evolution wants an animal to “last as long as possible”, to “last longer” hence be more succcessful nt terms of “species” and such but who said longer is better than shorter ? who said that anything is better than snything else ?
    The distinction, the numbers: but Matter and Mass Energy and the Abstraction Kit of Symbols self actuating themselves and becoming alive and looking (at itself) and feeling (itself) and deciding to be something more than just idle, dead, without events, as that is what the universe does when it creates its own observers, it invents its own Observers (and invents its own arbitrary inside (the observer ?…) and outside (external world ?…) (delimitations abound) and fake and imaginary absolute laws of physics: but how can they be absolute and imagined outside of the universe when they are the universe itself, the laws were invented as soon as the universe decided to randomly invent any random observer (observer of itself ? and why does it need to look at a part of itself ? why not invent anything as part of itself ? why does it even have to be real or even a part of itself ? who cares!) programmed according to any random arbitrary input – output reaction set, as all laws are just a set of input and output associations, hence infinitely programmable, anything as incredible and wild as imaginable is just as real as anything else, hence invent your own wild laws of physics, wild new sense organs, wild new universes, wild new emotion feeling contraptions, and sense organ feelings contraptions and so on, the wilder and crazier the better) but really by doing this creates all of itself and its own laws and its laws of physics and the experience set any configuration of given observers the universe chooses from time to time to have.
    So how does the universe set the numbers ? how does it establish big from small, how large must the orders of magnitude be (from 10^-200 to 10^200) ? It doesn’t know what numbers it wants to choose, or if even things must be disjoint to be counted individually as numbers at all, or merged into a monolithic block of only one entity, or many or trillions and the decision to what numbers and amounts to establish is random, wild, arbitrary and the next new observer the universe decides to invent and self impose upon itself may have completely different number sets, different orders of magnitude (from 10^-200000 to 10^200000), different processors and so forth, but all numbers are arbitrary and invented, and even the concept of numbers itself and amounts is arbitrary and even all of the further abstractions, an infinite level of ever more complex and incredible abstractions as like: if 0 is a word, 1 is a number what is 2 or 567 or minus 34566, the abstractions are so deep and incredible, so unimaginable it cannot be behold by any observer processor type but we can denote it and make it come alive, ever more complex and incredibly deep and surprising ideas, contructions, abstractions, machines, symbol sets, symbols becoming alive and such.
    the APE

  495. Confusionism January 25, 2013 at 8:18 am #

    Just read that Janet Napolitano, the head of Homeland Insecurity, is warning of an imminent cyber attack here in the good, old FUSA. No doubt another ploy to try to get a euphamistically-named cyber security bill shoved through congress that will allow the government more access to all of our information. It failed last year so they’re giving it another shot. Glory glory hallelujah.

  496. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 8:33 am #

    Thanks for finding “view stats,” and thanks for directing me to it. And thanks for digging into it, and “outing” our Recurrent DoD mole for us!
    Those of you who enjoy this sort of computer sleuthing probably already know this – but manipulating the “date ranges” inside of View Stats can produce some interesting results and confirmations.
    Now, K, as to whether Soaker is
    1. Doing his paid job DoD job, here or
    2. Wasting time on his paid DoD job, here
    Well – you’re the lead attorney on this case, you’ve put in the hours, and eventually I’ll defer to your judgement. But, right now we’re at the brainstorming stage – so let me add a couple of contrary thoughts.
    The DoD operates on some version of “mission objectives,” right? What would be The Soaker Hose’s declared mission re his activities @ CFN?
    “Operative (asoka..) will disrupt dialog on CFN comment threads at all times and manners possible. Operative will at all times maintain the “truth” of cornucopian assertions. The desirability of high US immigration shall be a particular focus for operative.
    Subject only to the forgoing, Operative Asoka..shall endeavor to “fuck up” the dialog
    at Cluster Fuck Nation – by any and all means possible”
    For your eyes only – SecDef
    Not exactly a JamesBondStyle license to kill, is it?
    More in a while – I’ve got a lot of irons in the fire, this morning.

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  497. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 8:41 am #

    Hmmmm…. this DoD is from Kansas. Will the real DoD troll please stand up.
    Us Department Of Defense Network (141.107.240.36) 0 returning visits
    United States FlagLeavenworth, Kansas, United States
    http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore.html
    25 Jan 08:25:07
    http://www.kunstler.com/index.php

  498. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    Nice financial advice, E, thanks.
    I don’t know what’s wrong with Collapse W on the subject – your advice makes pretty good sense to me.
    And it diverges from mainstream thought – which is what draws me to this ClusterFuck, in the first place.
    So, I’ll probably add some short Treasury funds to my portfolio, after a little more thought and research – and see how it goes.
    Contrary to your views, though, I have some physical silver, and a little gold. I’m adding more, every month, as my cash flow allows. It’s a form of insurance for me and my family. Except it’s tangible, unlike all other insurance, which is just an outflow of cash unless needed.
    I’ve tried to ignore the Soaker Hose – and I do now ignore him, EXCEPT on immigration – pretty much. His views run counter to JHK’s, and they run counter to the views of most of JHK’s readership, apparently. Plus, from a environmental or resources standpoint, Soakers views on immigration are just plain WRONG.
    So I refuse to let these views go unchallenged since, in my view, they give the whole discussion thread an unfortunate look – to new OR casual JHK readers.
    ====================
    I’ve got only four responses directly to Soaker Hose (aka The Resident Impediment), this week. And I will keep linking to his posts on immigration to directly refute them – but I will try to refer to him only by my pet sobriquets for him, from now on.
    So thanks for the advice and suggestions, E.

  499. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 9:10 am #

    Just so we set it straight for the DoD folks here who are taking names and notes, you find it favorable to bet against the success of your own country? Is that correct? That’s the statement you make when you short Treasuries. You intend to bring the country down at a profit to yourself. And here you’re worried about some poor desperate slobs crossing the border from Mexico, yet betting against your own country, and cheering others on to do the same. Sweet. That’s not contradictory in any way, no. But, it is typically corporate. It’s to be expected from someone who devoted a good portion of their life to the corporation, though.

  500. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    You nailed him, CW.
    I have many times pointed out that P4C is un-American in his adamant opposition to what built America and made America great. Immigration is our DNA and immigration is what will insure our future greatness against enemies like P4C.
    Asoka in Groton, Connecticut, United States
    IP Address: Dod Network Information Center (214.1.3.248)
    Referring URL: cluborlov.blogspot.com/
    Visit Page: http://www.kunstler.com/index.php

  501. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    I will try to refer to him only by my pet sobriquets for him, from now on…
    =============
    Posts about, post mentioning, posts replying to, posts with “pet sobriquets,” etc. all serve to keep the focus on Asoka and all are paid identically.
    Keep up the good work, both of you, Eleuthero and P4C.

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  502. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    Gentlemen and GentleLadies of CFN,
    I have been contacted by Asoka regarding a possible prosecution for libel and slander regarding his good name. Please be advised that you will be under investigation and any posts you make to CFN can and will be used against you to the fullest extent of the law.
    Represent Asoka in Potomac, Maryland, United States
    IP Address: Us Dept Of Justice (149.101.1.116)
    Full disclaimer: I am an immigrant.

  503. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    I have many times pointed out that P4C is un-American in his adamant opposition to what built America and made America great. Immigration is our DNA and immigration is what will insure our future greatness against enemies like P4C.

    Shut the hell up with your “Greatness” talk. That’s pure propaganda. Myth. Immigrants were used and exploited, and it’s a fact that many who believed that “America” was something else, soon found out otherwise when they got here and it was too late. They had to live and cope with their sordid conditions. They were hoodwinked, and most couldn’t go back.
    “America” was never “Great.” What JHK talks about was always the culmination of this Clusterfuck that started in the 17th century in North America. It wasn’t “Greatness.” It was the Long Suicide…..close to 400 years, to be precise.

  504. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 9:40 am #

    “That’s the statement you make when you short Treasuries. You intend to bring the country down at a profit to yourself.”
    You’ve got some real issues at separating cause and effect, there, CW.
    =======================
    “And here you’re worried about some poor desperate slobs crossing the border from Mexico,”
    And you are hopelessly confused on the concepts of illegal immigration (easily reversed) and legal immigration, which is impossible to reverse and is proceeding non-stop at 1,000,000+ LEGAL migrants per year – with huge government support.
    Without that government support – legal immigration would quickly slow to a more sustainable level.

  505. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Since Asoka is a decorated war veteran be notified I will join in any effort to defend Asoka’s rights on CFN from ad hominem attack.
    Amicus certus in re incerta cernitur
    Jackson, Mississippi, United States
    IP Address: Department Of Veterans Affairs (152.132.9.66)

  506. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    Well, if you have a beef with Legal Immigration, then I agree. Legal Immigration underwritten by the U.S. Government just adds technocratic fascist fodder to the cannon. Indians and Orientals are great at taking orders. They kiss up and kick down. They are perfect Little Eichmans for the Elitist Plutocrats. Obedience is at the core and fabric of their beings. Filipinos are no different. Fascist enablers through and through. This is why the Corporate State sponsors Legal Immigration. They are importing the prison guards and prison wardens.
    One way to resolve it, but it is complex, is to end corporate personhood. Corporate power must be broken, and the wealth concentration that’s occurring at rapid pace must not only be stopped, but reversed. But here’s the hitch. We can’t rely on the Government to do it. The Government belongs to the Corporations, and there’s no getting it back at this point.

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  507. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    “…un-American in his adamant opposition to what built America and made America great. Immigration is our DNA and immigration is what will insure our future greatness against enemies….”
    How many moral platitudes in the above “statement?”
    I count six.
    ======================
    The landmass of the United States can only support a finite number of people.
    How many true facts in the above statement?
    I count one.

  508. Confusionism January 25, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    Sorry Soaker but there are no rights against ad hominem attacks, decorated war veteran or not.

  509. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    As Asoka’s lawyer I must advise you that I must make a demand for retraction before a lawsuit can be filed. This is said notice.
    Your retraction published here on CFN will automatically exclude you from the lawsuit. If no retraction is forthcoming, damages to Asoka’s reputation under existing libel laws will be sought.
    Representing Asoka in Potomac, Maryland, United States
    IP Address: Us Dept Of Justice (149.101.1.116)
    Full disclaimer: Counsel for Asoka is an immigrant.

  510. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    You are hereby notified that quoting Asoka in a reply to a third party also counts as keeping the focus on Asoka. Pay is identical to direct reply, indirect reply, talking to, talking about, mention of pet sobriquets, etc. Thank you, P4C!

  511. ozone January 25, 2013 at 10:44 am #

    Let us also look to this moniker of “hero”, shall we?
    IMHO, many of those who have adopted the label (especially those who would crow about it) are little more than persons who showed up to support or do the killing. That’s not “heroic”, that’s the culmination of a series of bad choices and misunderstandings of their masters’ motives and intentions. (In this case, masters = owners; not to put too fine a point on it.)
    Is a drone pilot a military hero, in any original sense of the word?
    The trademark of “hero” is mostly mouthed by politicians and media outlets; it didn’t originate in its’ present ubiquitous use from the common citizenry. That should be a large clue.
    The cheapening of language, the twisting of its’ meanings and the dulling of its’ edges is just another tactic of divisive manipulators. Witness Karl Rove, Frank Luntz and the rest of their disgusting ilk.

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  512. ozone January 25, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    “One way to resolve it, but it is complex, is to end corporate personhood. Corporate power must be broken, and the wealth concentration that’s occurring at rapid pace must not only be stopped, but reversed. But here’s the hitch. We can’t rely on the Government to do it. The Government belongs to the Corporations, and there’s no getting it back at this point.” -CW
    I agree. And not to be too fork-in-the-road about it, but I think that’s why the race is very much “on” between totalitarianism and collapse. It doesn’t mean that desperate people won’t turn to tyrants for a cargo-cult “solution”, but those iterations don’t seem to have any lasting-power when communications are abundant and can’t be controlled.
    Thus, the threat of complete dominance over all forms of information and codified/”lawful” prosecution in the use of it. (Yes, Orwell and Bernays gave them the blueprints; only the tools have changed.)

  513. ComradeDystopia January 25, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    On CNN the big story is Beyonce lipsinking the national anthem. But on BBC I learned of the bitter fighting in N. Burma, combat between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, out of control riots in Cairo and Athens, NKorea nuclear threats against the US and Japan, Ford plant in Belgium closing throwing 11000 out of work, fighting in Mali, unrest in Algeria, 60,000 dead in Syria as well as 1 million homeless refugees … and that’s just this morning. The whole goddam world is boiling up around us but all our networks can talk about is Michelle’s dress and Beyonce lipsinking the National Anthem!I have to go to a foreign source to find out what really is going on. What a disgrace.

  514. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    This guy soooo craves attention that if he talks in a vacuum for two weeks it will unnerve him into a convulsion.
    We tried that and I advocated it myself. I was the leading champion of it for a while. It doesn’t work for two reasons. The first is that it is just about impossible to get everyone cooperating. ‘Just about’ is a descriptive way to put it because you have spoilers showing up pretending they are in mud huts in South America too and helping it out. We can’t put a dunce cap on anybody s head and conducting the personalities here is like herding cats. An very energy intensive and flawed effort.
    The second reason is that then Radu and Asoka start talking to each other totally dominating the space and when people show up they say to themselves what the fuck is up with this. A racist and an asshole; I’m out of here. Perhaps R & A email each other Mission Accomplished when they drive traffic to zero, who knows.
    But E, while your input is appreciated this is a special week, read upscroll.
    Seems somebody outed Asoka as a paid government troll. Undeniable evidence, a timestamp even. Changes the game a bit.
    ❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦❧❦
    One kdog of volume covers the state of Texas nine inches deep. A kdog of volume is the volume taken up by a trillion barrels of oil. We have 1.7 kdogs left. Another way to grok humanity s remaining oil endowment is to imagine a kdog of volume being a cube 3.4 miles on a side.

  515. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    Yes a disgrace. A total disgrace, that’s what it is. You’ve said it well.

  516. Kyooshtik January 25, 2013 at 11:46 am #

    Probably the best long term (and I mean your MINIMUM hold period is five years) investment being handed to you now is to buy a fund that SHORT’S THE LONG TREASURY. There are many funds which do this in the Rydex and Profunds families. I like RRPIX.
    ===========
    E,
    I entered RRPIX into a brokerage watch-list so I could check its price, graph it, etc. It showed a price of $7.36, up 4 cents, but it showed zero volume of trading and no bid or ask price. What’s the story?
    Other vehicles for shorting Treasuries (albeit 20 yr bonds, not 30s) are TBT which is levered 2x and TMV levered 3x. Both are soaring today. Not sure why, maybe some grand poobah at the Davos meeting farted or something.
    Anyway, I agree that in the longer term (I’ll accept your 5 years as the longer term) Treasury rates must rise which means bond prices must fall and thus shorting them is the right strategy. The two symbols are a way to do this (short bonds) but I admit its like playing with fire when you mess with 2x and 3x names.
    On to a separate issue…….
    When you show up here at CFN you invariably remind us that you ONLY show up infrequently (presumably because our shit here at CFN stinks while your shit and the shit at other blogs does not stink) and that all of us here that talk to, or about, Asoka are making a big mistake. YOU, of course, are doing precisely what you are telling us NOT to do. I enjoy the insights you express here on the blog but I wish you would stop making a fool of yourself by telling us how infrequently you post and that Asoka is using up too much bandwidth and we should all just ignore him. Physician, heal thyself.

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  517. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    all our networks can talk about is Michelle’s dress and Beyonce lipsinking the National Anthem
    ===========
    This is not completely true.
    Our networks also focus on other important stories, like suing Subway for an 11-inch footlong sandwich … 11 inches is almost a foot … so is 13 inches … but I doubt anyone would have complained about “false advertising” if they had gotten a 13-inch footlong.
    Things relating to food and cars are also really important news in the USA. It’s not all about Michelle.

  518. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    A racist and an asshole; I’m out of here. Perhaps R & A email each other Mission Accomplished when they drive traffic to zero, who knows.
    -=========
    LOL!
    Traffic to zero will never happen as R & A are well accompanied by their same kind, with their same intelligence level, with their same concerns for analyzing the clusterfuck, who also post frequently here.
    Take a look again at the title of this comment space: “CLUSTERFUCK NATION : Comment on Current Events.”
    Every human being who comments here (excluding the automated spammers) has a legitimate right to be here, you fascist dog.

  519. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    We don’t have an “entitlements” problem. We have a conservative economics problem the pushed radical deregulation, tax decreases, and freeing Wall Street greed, the false belief in trickle down economics, reckless military spending, a CIA black budget, that is what has created our debt, not entitlements which are plowed back into the economy and create employment.
    “Entitlements” like Social Security and unemployment insurance are actually the most reasonable social programs we have.
    We are spending between $40 and $60 BILLION per month to help Wall Street and Wall Street is not investing the money in a way that creates jobs. That is the problem.
    “Entitlements” are the only thing keeping millions of Americans from abject poverty.

  520. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    Hang on. You have established that Asoka seems to be lying, that he is not asoka, and it is obvious that he is an asshole. But you have not established that he is working for the DoD. Nor have you established that I am – or that I am lying.
    Being a racist isn’t a crime. It’s a legitimate point of view. The Howard Zinns/Collapse Watches of the World say that America was founded on Racism. Well they’re right. What Nation wasn’t? Do you expect the Founders to do all this for some other group – and not their own?
    Again I’m using your all embracing definition of racism – that anything anyone does for their own group is racism. Needless to say, this definition is only applied to Whites since its goal is the destruction of the White Race.
    The dictionary has another definition, but you aren’t interested in that, are you?

  521. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

    Remember, humanity by and large is not admirable. The average poor person just wants to be a rich, elitist. And if they attained that, they’d be just as bad or worse than the current elite. “New Money” is notoriously so.
    A Traditional Society doesn’t allow so much free choice to everybody. People can’t handle it. To allow them so much is just to empower those who can and will control them by playing on their lusts and appetites.
    As the Protocols admit, the Aristocracy were the true friends and protectors of Europe. That’s why they were destroyed by the “people” – manipulated by the Illuminati.

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  522. Lucky 13 January 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    You did not mention her 1.5 million dollar
    ugly Emerald earrings.
    Those fools are shameless.
    Remember Jims writings, where he wondered about folks ‘burning down the Hamptons’?

  523. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    How bout Michelle’s new bangs! All the women are going to want them now. They are herd animals after all. And when she wears those new dresses, she is making careers for little gay designer boys. What’s not to luv?

  524. Lucky 13 January 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    He is paid to disrupt this website?

  525. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    They are herd animals after all.
    =============
    The majority of Homo sapiens are social animals, except those who live alone in basements or RVs or trailer parks in front of their computer screens. Those loners do not have a successful marriage and full social life with lots of friends, status, respect, etc. … all the things I enjoy.

  526. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    If someone is here posting on assignment from the DoD, then it would not be to disrupt. What would they be disrupting? It’s not like anything going to be solved or resolved in this obscure out-of-the-way space. More likely, it would be to create a honey-trap that attracts and antagonizes zealots. Bring them out of the woodwork, get them on record, and pin them to an IP. That’s why CFN is a minefield and hard work.
    And Radu, Collapse never said “America” was founded ON racism, although racism certainly was prevalent, and played a part in the founding and formation. You so love to put words in people’s mouths. I still think you’re a Jewish guy working for the SPLC. The cat was out of the bag when you said you had a cat. What kind of White Nationalist are you? White Nationalists don’t have cats. They have Pit Bulls and German Shepherds.

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  527. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    4 Jan 15:33:33 Firefox 14.0
    Win7
    1440×900 United States Flag
    Alexandria,
    Virginia,
    United States
    Us Department Of Defense Network (140.194.40.45)
    — 3:33:33 dot dot
    LOL!

  528. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    And when she wears those new dresses, she is making careers for little gay designer boys.

    Not any longer. Those Gay Boys are going to be joining the military in droves. It’s the new career of choice for LGBTs. Yes, it’s another acronym. Acronyms are us.
    Perhaps you would have been more pleased had Michelle come dressed to the Inauguration like this:
    http://www.history.org/Foundation/journal/Winter03-04/images/clth_femaleslave.jpg

  529. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

    Jesus, now NASA is part of the conspiracy. All you have to do is mention “Aliens” and they come a runnin.
    National Aeronautics And Space Administration (128.158.1.165) 0 returning visits
    United States FlagHuntsville, Alabama, United States
    http://www.kunstler.com/Eyesore_201211.html
    25 Jan 13:39:06
    http://www.kunstler.com/index.php

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  531. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    Getting back to this week’s post by JHK, he says conservatives miss the central problem we face: our disastrous commitment to the current national lifestyle, in particular suburban sprawl and everything it entails.
    We could solve suburban problems and problems of urban congestion using hydrogen fuel cells combined with car sharing. There is a ‘chicken and egg problem’, i.e., no hydrogen powered car will be invested in if it cannot be refueled, and nobody will invest in a hydrogen refueling station if no one has a hydrogen powered vehicle.
    But. by replacing fossil fuel engines with hydrogen, using small stationary combined heat and power (CHP) engines, financial return should be 3–5 years. Besides financial sense, the replacement of fossil fuel with hydrogen in the automotive industry offers a substantial reduction of the harmful environmental effects and makes a lot of sense for the environment.
    The problems of the absence of the hydrogen infrastructure is solvable, but we will need more suitable regulations. Using a car-sharing system, operating small urban vehicles, solves some environmental problems (e.g., air pollution and CO2 emission), but also helps to reduce congestion, secure energy supply and ease its distribution. This solves JHK’s concerns about “peak oil” and urban transportation. All we have to do is learn to share.

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  532. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Nonsense, and you know it. Hydrogen is not an energy source, it’s an energy carrier, and it takes more energy to free the oxygen for its carrier purposes, then the hydrogen returns. It’s an energy sink. It’s a no go. A Hydrogen Economy is a wasteful, unsustainable economy.
    http://phys.org/news85074285.html

    In a recent study, fuel cell expert Ulf Bossel explains that a hydrogen economy is a wasteful economy. The large amount of energy required to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds (water, natural gas, biomass), package the light gas by compression or liquefaction, transfer the energy carrier to the user, plus the energy lost when it is converted to useful electricity with fuel cells, leaves around 25% for practical use — an unacceptable value to run an economy in a sustainable future.

  533. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    That should read “free the hydrogen,” not “free the oxygen.” Or, maybe it should read “free willy.” Whatever! I could care less.

  534. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Scientists are also investigating the combination of hydrogen and sharing:
    Kriston, Akos, Tamás Szabó, and György Inzelt. 2010. “The marriage of car sharing and hydrogen economy: A possible solution to the main problems of urban living.” International Journal Of Hydrogen Energy 35, no. 23: 12697-12708.
    All we need is political will and we can solve our problems.

  535. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    Thanks for saying you could care less. That means you do care x amount. Although you could care less. But you don’t.
    CHP cogeneration engine technology is proven technology.

    Powered by GE gas engine technology, a combined heat and power (CHP) plant at Germany’s Bitburger Brauerei (brewery) has surpassed 50,000 hours of successful operation.
    Based on an ecomagination-qualified Jenbacher J312 gas engine, the plant converts biogas (gas produced by biological breakdown of organic matter) into electricity, steam and hot water to meet the brewery’s process requirements.
    The project is an example of GE’s ecomagination commitment to provide innovative solutions that maximise resources, drive efficiencies and help make the world work better, said the company.

  536. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Since you’ve put your fingers in your ears, the link provided will be quoted some more.

    “The advantages of hydrogen praised by journalists (non-toxic, burns to water, abundance of hydrogen in the Universe, etc.) are misleading, because the production of hydrogen depends on the availability of energy and water, both of which are increasingly rare and may become political issues, as much as oil and natural gas are today,” says Bossel.
    “There is a lot of money in the field now,” he continues. “I think that it was a mistake to start with a ‘Presidential Initiative’ rather with a thorough analysis like this one. Huge sums of money were committed too soon, and now even good scientists prostitute themselves to obtain research money for their students or laboratories—otherwise, they risk being fired. But the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes.”
    Even though many scientists, including Bossel, predict that the technology to establish a hydrogen economy is within reach, its implementation will never make economic sense, Bossel argues.
    “In the market place, hydrogen would have to compete with its own source of energy, i.e. with (“green”) electricity from the grid,” he says. “For this reason, creating a new energy carrier is a no-win solution. We have to solve an energy problem not an energy carrier problem.”

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  537. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    The decimation of civil liberties, carried out in the name of fighting terror, will shackle us to an interconnected security and surveillance state that stretches from Moscow to Istanbul to New York
    A Time for ‘Sublime Madness’
    And once shackled our fate is sealed.

  538. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Nonsense. Shackles can be broken.

  539. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    Let us guess. With Hydrogen, right? A Hydrogen Economy takes a lot of Imagination.

  540. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

    OK, we have some problems to work on, but they are not intractable. The cost of hydrogen is very sensitive to electricity price, but other factors such as water price, energy efficiency of electrolysis, and plant life have insignificant impact on the total cost of hydrogen produced. Waste material biogas CHP can solve the electricity question as the brewery plant in Germany has demonstrated with 50,000 hours of successful operation.

  541. nameta9 January 25, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

    INTRACTABLE
    What ticks me off is that nothing is controllable or verifiable, you always have to depend on others, on third parties and their “Information” to establish any truths and such: like the GDP numbers, the Gross Domestic Products number: how on earth is it measured and calculated anyways ? who is doing the measurements ? can I trust them or it or anything anyways ? are the numbers real ? do they even mean anything ? it is in fact totally intractable in the end, a simple act of faith to believe in the numbers they (and who is they anyways ?) furnish you and such; especially since so little is being really produced, nothing is being produced in the USA anymore so what are the numbers anyways ? how many people are spinning their wheels at fake jobs (the service jobs which just means anything goes, nothing is being produced but hot air, just like this blog and these forums and all else) ? so then what is a good “normal” economy and what is a sick “economy” ? as if something like that can even be established (the economy is a man made contraption that has no laws and science applied, it is just an arbitrary system of power relationships according to some arbitrary quirk laws the powers that be or a society brainwashed itself to have, as if it were really scientific and not simply power struggles and fights and nothing else). And so it is with everything else, all things economic and all things in general: nothing is controllable or verifiable, you only receive all kinds of information that is supposed to be associated with some kind of reality, with how things are going, but no one knows anything, can trust anything, anything can be the truth or not, anything can be said, you will never know the truth, you will never know how much Gross Domestic Product was “produced” in the USA in 2012 or how much unemployment there is and even what are the normal numbers and the bad numbers, what is good or bad, what is even normal or not (normal doesn’t exist, invented arbitrary models are the only thing that exists).
    Take unemployment: what are good numbers and bad numbers and who says what is normal and what is not ? from what I see, that there are still 100 million people employed and getting a salary in the USA when they are mostly useless, spinning their wheels and not producing anything is bad and wrong and a sign of an economy wasting effort; the real numbers should be only 10 million people needed to work, the rest are a waste of time, a healthy economy should have them all at home watching TV and getting out of the way for example. But unemployment is considered “bad”, arbitrarily, since the Standard Ideology and Economic Model considers that people still must “work for a living” when this is no longer applicable for a “Technological Economy” that creates wealth by the boatloads automatically, structurally, through automation and technology and huge economies of scale and huge numbers of workers (way more workers than are ever needed for example), but then how can you keep on forcing people to fight each other and be in “competition” (another absurd, stone age concept) if the truth were said that there is way more than enough for everyone, that work is no longer needed, that you no longer have to fight other people to live and work ? how can a stone age Man Brain adapt to something so true and simple ?
    And so it is with all kinds of statistics, all kinds of numbers and information: the Debts, the national debts, the production indexes and so forth and so on, nothing can ever be controlled or verified, it is even unclear if those numbers mean anything, if they even exist, and what is going on, impossible to follow or understand or even figure out, all abstract information coming from who knows where, all fake problems, nothing is real, everything is a problem, nothing can be established all is intractable and so on (and even scientific knowledge and technology and so forth, all facts that are thrown at you, but can you really ever know ? can you really know about Genetic Engineering and what it is doing and how much can you know ? and so forth with all science and technology, all intractable, hard to verify and such ? are there really a billion transistors in the CPU of your computer ? is it verifiable ? can I trust it ? does it even mean anything ?). And those furnishing the intractable and probably “false” information (but true and false are probably not even applicable and such) all have an agenda, all have something to gain by furnishing all kinds of wild information in order to pass laws or anything else, to print money and give it to banks and so on, a never ending array of unknowns, intractable, inventions, and money transfers, new problems pop up out of nowhere, new emergencies occur out of the blue, and the FED prints money to justify the solution to “problems” no one ever knew they even had, no one knows what on earth is going on, and so its is with all the problems in the EU and so forth, no one knows what is going on, or to who the money is going, or who deserves what and so forth. the end of any truths.
    Nothing even means anything at all, nothing can be established as normal or wrong, nothing can be tractable, all is intractable, all the money flows impossible to understand and so forth. The 10 trillion dollars debt of the USA is totally intractable, impossible to figure out, and how can money be debts if most of it is used to pay people ? so people are debts ? a never ending array of contortions, questions, doubts, acts of faith needed, intractable, power struggles, lies, all fake and impossible, nothing is true and worst of all nothing is false, you are all lost in a maze of abstractions, information not meaning anything or meaning anything, and people gaining and losing billions of dollars over all these intractable games.
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  542. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    Not just imagination.
    Hydrogen gas production through solar energy (which is abundant, clean and renewable) can power photochemical, electrochemical and thermochemical processes for producing hydrogen, in order to reach competitive hydrogen production costs (which seems to be your concern. You admit technologically it is feasible).
    Hybrid thermochemical processes use hydrocarbons exclusively as chemical reactants for the production of syngas. Concentrated solar radiation is used as a heat source and represents one of the most promising alternatives, combining conventional and renewable energy to transition toward a solar hydrogen economy.

  543. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    Nope, Biofuel, to include Biogas, is an impractical loser.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201200218/pdf

  544. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    You could use just a bit more imagination.
    Nobody that I know of is saying hydrogen will be the sole basis for the future economy. Hydrogen will be part of a mix, as one element of a global sustainable energy strategy for the 21st century that confronts the three-pronged challenge of irreversible climate change, uncertain oil supply, and rising pollution.
    Hydrogen will play a crucial role: in road and rail vehicles requiring a range comparable to today’s petrol and diesel vehicles; in coastal and international shipping; in air transport; and for longer-term seasonal storage on electricity grids relying mainly on renewables.

  545. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    It can’t come close to supplying the current needs of this planet, let alone any future growth. In fact, it can’t even supply half of the current energy needs of this planet. See this for clarification. I’m not posting it for you, because you are obviously convinced otherwise, but it’s solid science.
    http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy/

    Once we appreciate that physical growth must one day cease (or reverse), we can come to realize that all economic growth must similarly end. This last point may be hard to swallow, given our ability to innovate, improve efficiency, etc.

  546. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Nope, from the article you cite it is apparent the author believes:
    The production of biofuels constitutes an extremely inefficient
    land use

    as if biofuels depend upon use of productive, arable land.
    The factory I mentioned in Germany, which has just completed 50,000 hours of operation, uses waste materials, not land-based biofuels. Waste is one thing we seem to be good at producing, wouldn’t you say. There are also biofuel projects in desert areas, algae-based systems, etc. none of which use land inefficiently.

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  547. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    If you have read my comments for any length of time, you know I identify the need for global population reduction (not fiddling with immigration policies), and energy contraction. We can easily live on one-tenth the energy we currently waste. World population is scheduled to stabilize naturally (with no tragedy or drama involved) but I want to reduce it voluntarily before it stabilizes. I have also posted numerous practical methods for achieving that goal.
    Your presumptions about my positions are mistaken. Your “hard science” will not be enough, but is a welcome input.

  548. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    My emphasis on global population production and simplified lifestyle is actually supported by the article you cite.
    No matter what the technology, a sustained 2.3% energy growth rate would require us to produce as much energy as the entire sun within 1400 years.
    This is a completely meaningless “solid science” conclusion because the assumptions are false.
    The article assumes CONTINUED GROWTH, without recognizing population will stabilize in a few decades. The article does not consider the possibility of population reduction, reduced energy use, and sustainable growth.

  549. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    The solid science you cite was apparently published before alkaline electrolyser technology became viable and ready for commercialization in mass market applications (such as light vehicle refuelling, energy storage, and backup power) making a hydrogen economy possible.

  550. Collapse Watch January 25, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

    Read the comments to the article where he points to other articles he has written on the topic. Your plan sounds very ideal, but your ideal has many hurdles to overcome, so don’t give anyone here the “if we only had the political will.” Who the hell is the “we” in this equation? The Commodity Regimes, i.e. The Plutocracy, rule/rules this planet, and they’ve invested a great deal of money in the fossil fuel economy. They believe in a little thing called ROI, and they will not give that up at any cost….even if that cost means the end of human life on Planet Earth. They are the Government. They are the Governments. The Governments are one of their Divisions, and the Governments will do as they say. I have no doubt there will be a plan to reduce population, and I reject it before it hatches. If it comes from the Establishment, you can be sure it will be nothing short of a Holocaust. You sir, are playing with fire.

  551. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    I have no doubt there will be a plan to reduce population, and I reject it before it hatches.
    ———–
    What part of the word “voluntarily” do you not understand?
    Commodity regimes and plutocracy and governments understand ROI. They are not stupid. They understand peak oil. You only see evil in them.
    You, sir, are playing with paranoia.

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  552. Kyooshtik January 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    I LOVE Fred’s blog. He is a real straight shooter. No groveling obeisance to political correctness. No big words or complicated sentences.
    Just today, now that the days of this week are dwindling down to a precious few and the CFN dialogue is running out of fresh ideas, I decided to spend more time at Fred On Everything. In particular I read his Bio. He has quite a resume and it’s funny. I recommend it.
    I also glanced through the extensive column titles under the headings Magazine Stuff and Cop Columns. I read the 542nd article that appeared a couple of days ago at the head of his regular column list. Then I scrolled to the very bottom and chose #2 titled Blacks and Intelligence to read. Here is a paragraph from it:
    ……, let us assume that blacks are less intelligent. What can we do?
    For starters, we need to recognize that no one is going anywhere. Blacks are not going to go back to Africa. Whites are not going to go back to Europe. We are all where we are going to be. We are not going to turn Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi into a separate black nation.
    There are a couple of obvious errors on the Fred site that for some reason Fred doesn’t notice, or care about if he DOES notice, but that drive me nuts every time I visit there: One, Column #539 he has titled as Squead Car Dreams. It should be “Squad…” Two, Column #532 is misnumbered as 332.
    With the intention of pointing out these two errors so he could fix them (thus allowing me to fall asleep at night), I went searching for his email address. When one scrolls about 80% down the home page one comes to three blocks the first of which says “Write Fred.” Bingo, I clicked on it. But, up came the following: “Could not perform this operation because the default mail client is not properly installed.”
    Can someone technically savvy out there in CFN land either (1) help me fix my default mail client or (2) write to Fred and ask him to fix the two errors discussed above so Kyooshtik can get a decent night’s sleep?

  553. ront January 25, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    “Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
    “The choice is not between violence and nonviolence but between nonviolence and nonexistence.”
    “We must live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”
    -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

  554. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    Ah but the price is high is it not? A Man said, “What does it benefit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.”

  555. k-dog January 25, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    So guess what the French and the Americans essentially said: We ain’t got no gold! Well, at least right now. It will take five years for the German gold in France to be returned, and no less than seven years for the stash at the New York Federal Reserve. Bottom line: both Paris and Washington/New York have to come up with real physical gold any way they can.
    It’s not Al-Qaeda of the Islamic Maghreb and not about a war on terror. Turns out its about gold.
    And you guys thought it was oil.
    Holy Midas Touch Batman
    From the article:
    “Mali – along with Ghana – accounts for up to 8% of global gold production”
    And apparently the Germans are pissed that all their gold went to China.
    Worthless paper backed by Unobtainium. Could worthless paper crash the economy? Are we too big to fail?

  556. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    Fred admits he has no answers on race. He just says it’s not working and it’s going to get us. So is it extreme to suggest a plan, which by definition must be an extreme one since the situation is huge and extreme? Is it not even more extreme to do nothing? Why is that not extreme? If your car is rolling towards a precipice with no breaks, is it rational to do nothing? Isn’t it more rational to jump out – and maybe even try and stop it if possible?
    At this point, even ending Affirmative Action would be very extreme. Fred has indicated that might be a good idea. But it wouldn’t “work” if by work you mean no violence. There would be huge amounts of rioting. Blacks aren’t going back to the fields and factories without a fight. Knowing this, he doesn’t really endorse it as a policy – he just says it would be nice. To endorse it would be to endorse extremism. A clever man, no?
    Why not start something really ambitious like editing Shakespeare? So many mispellings!

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  557. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    “Leftist” and Obmama intimate Cass Sunstein promtes cognitive dissonance on internet. So far as far as I can tell, only Collapse and Anti have broken free of the Left/Right cognitive ghetto. Alot of posters like Be, Hancock, Wage, thing they have but they are just bitter that Obama isn’t a “Communist” like he was supposed to be. As for Collapse, it really doesn’t matter since he is so utterly hostile to Western Civilization to begin with. He automatically sees people as sheep so in that sense he never had any illusions.
    Prog and Kdog may be awakening, but only at the level of mind. Emotionally, they are still in love with Leftist ideals. Thus their minds and hearts will be at war for a long time to come.
    Since people are herd animals by and large, and are going to be controlled one way or another, by something or someone – why not let it be by Tradition – both Folkways and Religion? Isn’t this far kinder, more humane, and leaving them far more dignity than the brutal Communist Way – or the Capitalist/Fascist one for that matter?
    Kudos to Anti and Myself for our Awakening to the Truth on this all important manner.
    Dale is in his own category – ruthless to other people yet “believing” in compassion. He seems to believe in our current system of Socialism and Crony Capitalism. Not sure if he wants it to go further Left or not. If it benefited him, that would make up him mind conclusively.
    The article about the offical mind fucking:
    http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/got-fascism-obama-advisor-promotes.html

  558. ozone January 25, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    CW,
    Suffice it to say that every suggestion, solution, techno-fix, et-fucking-cetera that asspoker promotes funnels right back into the BAU status quo way of doing things. (Even the political hackery stinks of this “work within the system” approach.)
    Who benefits from this?
    Got it in one, I’m sure.
    And then we have the little laddie, his bunghole buddy. Ever hear of “good cop, bad cop”? I knew you had.
    Here’s an interesting and revealing quote:
    “Hang on. You have established that Asoka seems to be lying, that he is not asoka, and it is obvious that he is an asshole. But you have not established that he is working for the DoD. Nor have you established that I am – or that I am lying.”
    Oh, I think we can put some pretty good guesses as to his credibility, BECAUSE of this disavowal (in sloppy, backhanded support of his keyboard warrior buddy).
    I just wonder where they get these societal washouts that gleefully psychologically assault regular folk with such obvious poo-slinging on the interwebs.
    Most of us are labeled as harmless proggie-pacifist-libs who cannot be lured into false-flag “actions” with a bit of help from them. (Anti is an exception; they’ll have him firing the first shots in the race war as soon as the “time is ripe” for another divide and conquer distraction. Notice who his good friend and supporter happens to be.)
    To wind up an already too long post, you can’t trust word one out of the mouths of these two choad-breath pud-pullers. There is nothing genuine here in thought or word, and you’re correct; there will be little use for professional liars in a hard-scrabble world. They’ve chosen a very dangerous occupation and dangerous masters who will leave them to rot at the first sign of approaching retribution. “Stand by your computers and defend them with your last breath, maggots!”

  559. ak January 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    Q – you can discover Fred’s address by hovering over the button Write Fred. It will indicate his mail is ‘jetpossum-readers’ with the mail service yahoo dot com.
    You can right-click & copy-email-address, but note the Subject: must start with two fwd slashes ‘//’, else it’s deemed spam.
    He’s previously apologized for various typos (there usu are aplenty), and said he’ll correct them when notified thereof.
    To set up the default mailer (in Firefox) Edit/Tools->Options/Preferences->Applications->mailto – you should be able to select gmail or yahoo, etc.

  560. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    “Dude it is #1.
    If it were #2 he’d be fired or courts-martial-ed or something, even at the DoD.”
    -k-dog-
    Continued from earlier today –
    K-dog, there are so many DoD employees, in SO MANY civilian capacities – and asoka..david..hose could easily be in that category.
    Here’s an explanation:
    I don’t think he’s military, certainly not an officer or noncom. The resonance of his posts is all wrong for that to be the case.
    So he’s probably a guilty-feeling civilian employee in some forgotten corner of some DoD bureaucracy. Say he’s assigned to inventory the ejector seat thrust rockets on F4 Phantoms. (decommissioned in 1996, FYI) So every day he reports to work and fills out his form on-line.
    F4 Ejector Seat Assy Count Equal = (0) Zero
    So, that takes the Soaker Hose 10 minutes, allowing extra time ’cause he’s sorta’ dumb.
    Then he has 8 hours and 50 minutes to fill, allowing an hour for lunch. So he turns to CFN.
    Lucky us, right?
    Remember also, that Soaker Hose could have a take-home computer with a DoD login. Lots of people do.
    And this goes for the NASA logins, and all of the rest of the DoD logins, too. CFN isn’t porn, and it’s not on-line shopping, so it doesn’t hit all the criteria that employees are told to avoid – so there’s nothing wrong with hitting the CFN site and making some comments on the “company” dime and using the company computer.
    Now – when it’s done to excess, it becomes abusive of a trust and therefore wrong.
    Should I write Saxby Chambliss, give him Soaker Hose’s work IP address at the DoD, and ask him to investigate the abuse of taxpayer money?

  561. xhalor January 25, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

    I’ve been reading that Boehner (pronounced BONER) wants to make a priority of overturning Roe vs. Wade. Why not just create a Christian Wacko Party? Cuz even the Genius Turd Blossom knew that they would have to combine forces to defeat the Dems in a presidential election. It’s the Crips vs. Bloods problem (Blue vs. Red, get it?)
    And now, Republican Atheists
    http://unreligiousright.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-are-there-republican-atheists.html

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  562. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

    And you’re in charge of the “out asoka..hose” movement on CFN, and you have my full support, K.
    I’m just brainstorming alternatives.
    If Soaker Hose IS a govt agent, I must admit that he fits this description from RV’s earlier link
    PERFECTLY!
    “[W]e suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.”
    snip
    “It’s easy to destroy groups with “cognitive diversity.” You just take up meeting time with arguments to the point where people don’t come back. You make protest signs which alienate 90% of colleagues. You demand revolutionary violence from pacifist groups.
    We expect such tactics from undercover cops, or FBI. There the agents are called “provocateurs” — even if only “cognitive.” One learns to smell or deal with them in a group, or recognize trolling online.”
    -rv’s link, which is very interesting-

  563. ak January 25, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

    K-Dog – it looks like the stats are only for the homepage (and 2 others), not the /blog pages…

  564. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    “/Preferences->Applications->mailto – you should be able to select gmail or yahoo, etc.”
    -ak, to K/Q-
    Also, K/Q, when you click the link on Fred’s page that gives you the error message – somewhere along the way you should see a “Browse” button, which will allow you to search for, and open, your regular email program or the mail program for your ISP.
    I’m not sure how well you and Fred would get along in person, K/Q. Maybe not a whole lot better than you and I would. hah!
    But with half of the North American continent separating you two – maybe you can pull it off!
    Maybe send him some money first?

  565. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    “Well, if you have a beef with Legal Immigration, then I agree. Legal Immigration underwritten by the U.S. Government just adds technocratic fascist fodder to the cannon.”
    YE HAW and GIDDY UP!!
    Collapse Watch GETS IT!
    ============================
    Now, spread the word.
    And send money to NumbersUSA!

  566. xhalor January 25, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    Now that Asoka has been outed as some kind of Secret Agent Man, I have to wonder if this can somehow be turned into a direct voice to the All Powerfull Oz?
    Lots of people complain that no one in the government listens to them. Well now you all have someone. ***CAUTION*** I’ve worked for DoD in a lowly pay grade and had absolutely no influence on anything of any importance. Is that the case with Asoka?

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  567. Lucky 13 January 25, 2013 at 8:32 pm #

    I think Eleuthero is perhaps the most articulate
    and informed poster here, of many ‘aware’ posters.
    Not that he posts much.

  568. xhalor January 25, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    No red carpet and trumpets? Fuck this soap opera.

  569. Soul Pucker January 25, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    Has anyone ever noticed that B.ill G,,at,es looks a bit like Bart Simpson?
    Bill’s new business idea: Mi,,cr os, oft will be in charge of the money.
    Ka-Ching!!!!!!!!!!
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-hates-cash–here-s-why-185938362.html

  570. Soul Pucker January 25, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

    XHALOR wrote: “I’ve worked for DoD in a lowly pay grade and had absolutely no influence on anything of any importance. ”
    Congratulations!
    When you find yourself in a situation of such 5th grade, demoralizing, bureaucratic insignificance, you might want to just focus on f,,uc.king the secretaries?

  571. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

    It’s just like in Stocks: people are afraid to act boldy when the stock is doing great, but they act very boldly by staying put when the Stock is tanking. People don’t realize than not to choose is to choose; that not acting when action is called for is an action, an unwise one.
    Thus people do nothing in a crisis – they don’t want to be “extreme” but in truth, nothing could be more extreme than the choice they have just made. This strange mental prejudice has been used by the Elite to bring in tens of millions of illegals. They just did nothing – in violation of their oaths. But the mental prejudice against non action protects them.

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  572. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

    Have we determined if Asoka.. is the same as asoka..? Again I noticed that if you respond to asoka.. it shows you responding to Asoka.. or vice versa. If so, I admit I was wrong and Kdog and Ozone right. And therefore no adobe, no South America, no Osho – in short no Asoka. Thus the “loveable”, obnoxious, racist, Negro goofball turns out not to exist – except in our Hearts!
    Fear not Friends – I am real. Kdog and Ozone, my leftist friends, knock yourselves out. You have not disproved my existence and you will not. White Nationalism is real and therefore White Nationalists. Why is that so hard to believe?

  573. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 9:30 pm #

    Yes, he’s very good. He used to post more but he got disgusted. Understandable. But though he reviles the status quo, I don’t think he would support the Way Out which is to reject both Capitalism and Communism and embrace militant Nationalism or America First.
    Fighting all kinds of wars in the Middle East and Africa while our Border is wide open is not putting America First. The Conservatives aren’t conserving anything except their portfolios.

  574. Soul Pucker January 25, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    Dr. King: Guns vs. Butter….
    O,b ama: Guns vs. erotic, body oil Coco-Butta…

  575. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 10:00 pm #

    “Prog and Kdog may be awakening, but only at the level of mind. Emotionally, they are still in love with Leftist ideals.”
    -rv-
    Actually, RV, I pick and choose my “ideals” based on their logic and validity.
    I’m against most gun control.
    I want a much lower DoD budget.
    Homeland “security” is a farce.
    Government (and individuals) should balance their budgets every year.
    etc, etc.
    I’m a social liberal – even a libertarian.
    And I’m a fiscal conservative.
    And on an an overcrowded Planet, I’m all in favor of abortion on demand, free birth control, gay rights, and anything else that serves to reduce human reproduction – because we’re killing ourselves, here.
    ===========================
    Now – on abortion, Mr. Radu, you are HORRIBLY inconsistent.
    If anything, a White Nationalist, such as yourself, should be in favor of free birth control for the poor, and free abortion on demand for the poor.
    You are letting some “other” belief system trump what’s important – to your WN and to Planet Earth.

  576. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

    Zone, I admit that you and Kdog were right about this in general. I’m open to the idea that Asoka doesn’t exist at all – I just want confirmation. We should have some kind of burial or funeral service for this non existent man if non existent he turns out to be.
    And I’m sorry I left you out of my report earlier. You are a special case like Dale and Collapse. You have seen thru the Left/Right paradigm and know that the real criterion should be big/small or centralized vs decentralized. So good on you. But like Collapse, you are so filled with hatred that it doesn’t matter. You march with your ideological opposites, the Communists, because they want to destroy just as you want to. Does that make any ultimate sense? As an anarchist you want to mazimize freedom. They don’t. They will not be shy about it after the Revolution either. And don’t expect gratitude. So lose the tude, dude. You have to stop being so negative and start explaining WHAT YOU ARE FOR. We know what they are for. But what are you for? Do you even know? As Madison I believe said, if men were perfect, we would have no need for laws or goverment.
    I respect that you don’t care for your natural allies, the Libertarians. You have too much idealism for that. But you have to explain why. It’s not obvious. What is obvious is that the Communist affiliation doesn’t make any sense – except I’m afraid, psychologically. They like to hate and so do you. They don’t like free thought, and neither do you. But you love your guns, right? They don’t want you to have them. So start there perhaps.

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  577. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm #

    So have you given up “Reality leans Left”? Or have I cured you of wanting women in office all other things being equal (which they never are). Most women will always be for the needs of women first and foremost.
    Now like I said to Rhino awhile back. We could give Blacks equal treatment but will you accept when they don’t produce equal results? Or are you stuck forever in your stance of egalitariansim? Needless to say, we have already tried this experiement endlessly and it has never worked. What would be a real change for the better is for Whites to accept that Blacks aren’t equal to us as a race – and the crux: therefore it is not our fault when they fail. Thus no more lawsuits about this. Let the chips fall as the may. For one Blacks in a hundred that might mean college. For the rest: back to the menial jobs. Some of these could be well paying of course: auto assembley is skilled labor after all.
    Now the next step: once you realize this, do the thought experiement. What would they do if we adopted the above? Would they accept it? The correct answer is No. There would be blood, copious amounts of it. What was begun as a privledge (Affirmative Action), is now seen as a right. So? The answer becomes separation, ultimately separate states in the sense of countries. Any White who wants to stay can – but look how Blacks have treated Whites in Africa once they attained power: poorly.
    Liberalism isn’t just a collection of policies. It is an outlook, a philsophy that gives birth to policies and laws. And at that level, you are still lingering in a faux egalitarianism, ready to take responsibility where it is not our fault.

  578. Soul Pucker January 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    I think that rather than giving M..ic ro sof,,t a contract to take over money and banking, that they should give the exclusive contract to Soul Pucker who can then subcontract out this responsibility to M..icro..s,oft.

  579. progress4conserving January 25, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    “So have you given up “Reality leans Left”?”
    -rv, concerning p4c-
    Damn, I did say that a couple of years ago here, didn’t I. Yeah, I renounce that.
    I’d still say social reality leans left.
    And logic on national defense leans left.
    But the left has leaned so far to the left on immigration, gun control, and minority rights that they are about to fall over the edge.

  580. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    Yes I admit my inconsistency. It troubles me. I’d like it if people would be repsonsible about sex. And failing that, have the child and give it up of adoption instead of killing him or her. I don’t even like the idea of Black babies being killed – even though that’s why Margaret Sanger put the clinics near the ghettoes.
    There is no answer here. We live in a Multiverse, Prog, not a Universe. If Whites were to gain their freedom, all White Nationalists wouldn’t be able to live together. Many are like you – libertarians. Others would want the death penalty for abortion. All of us want to make the problem easier by limiting our State to Whites. How Blacks, Browns and others solve this problem or not is their business. We don’t have to worry about it – or more importantly, pay for it or pay the price for it in terms of fatherless homes producing the most vicious thugs imaginable.
    Obviously to make people be responsible like this again means a new start in a new culture where sex would be seen as sacred, and not merely in terms of personal satisfaction, but also a service to both God and the State. Very Alien to you I’m sure. But look were the opposite has taken us: the gifted have virtually no children at all. Well to do women become like this. Well, that’s not acceptible – at all. Straight out, that has to go and never be seen again. It’s been the death of many White Cultures. Priestly Celibacy hasn’t helped us either, genetically speaking.
    Again, I value personal freeom. I don’t want people forced per se, but rather influenced to do the right thing – as the are now to do the wrong thing. Some will resist of course, so be it. Societies need rebels. But to be ruled by rebels and to uphold rebellion as official policy? Madness. A few gifted women will eschew children, marriage, and even men. But they cannot be allowed to become the Model or Template for the masses. That way lies destruction, yet that is the path we have taken.

  581. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    Depends what you mean by Left of course. Left has come to Marxism – which wants the overthrow of America, the West, and the White Man. But there was an earlier Socialism, an American Socialism that didn’t believe any of that. Read Jack London and Eugene Debbs.
    So I’m not sure what you mean by “social” and “defense” leaning Left. We might acutally be in agreement.
    In my own defense: London engaged in “Black Birding” as part of his adventures. That was going to remote Pacific Islands and enslaving the locals to pick guano under very poor conditions. That one of my favorite authors did this sickens me. A Black mark in an otherwise amazing and even noble life of adventure, writing, and politics. What can I say? He wasn’t universal, he had rejected Christianity and didn’t care about any but the White Race. I can be a White Nationalist without rejecting in toto the emergent philosophy of the 20th Century. Rather I balance it with a healthy love of my Own which Liberals have rejected and thus become insane.
    We have to be fair to other times. Jack London was a normal man of his time, far above normal in IQ and in social awareness, but the emergent wave hadn’t reached him yet. He wrote very movingly about the plight of factory workers and working class in general under Capitalism as Orwell and a slew of American writers would do later.

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  582. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Thus the “loveable”, obnoxious, racist, Negro goofball turns out not to exist – except in our Hearts!
    ===========
    Radu, as far as I am concerned I do not exist at all as an individual entity.
    For your benefit I hold up my mirror of love.
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

  583. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    But to be ruled by rebels and to uphold rebellion as official policy? Madness.
    =============
    There is a big difference between rebels and revolutionaries/fascists. Both revolutionaries and fascists are involved in movements, reacting against external conditions.
    A rebel is an individual, not part of a collective movement, responding to prompts from within. Madness? No.
    Asoka.. is a rebel.

  584. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    Again, I value personal freeom.
    =========
    No, you don’t, Radu. You do not even value the personal freedom of movement on the planet. You do not advocate open borders to allow personal freedom of movement. You value fascist regimentation of individuals for what you deem a greater good. You sacrifice the individual to tradition/authority/corporate power.

  585. Michigan Native January 25, 2013 at 11:23 pm #

    Let’s face it. The wall of denial about our predicament is insurmountable. The US is going to get caught off guard, blindsided by the big party it threw with the adevent of cheap and abundant fossil fuel energy, thinking there was no end in sight. The end is in sight, but too few will admit the joyride is over. Toss in a great deal of human arrogance and national chauvanism to make the looming disaster all the more catastrophic.
    The “official” level of debt released by the government a few years back was an albeit staggering 14 trillion dollars. Like the “official” poverty and unemployment figures, they can sugar coat the magnitude of the disasters they have created by fudging the numbers. Figures don’t loe but liars do figure. When “entitlement” programs are factored into the debt total (and I hate to use that term entitlement unless it means I am entitled to break my foot off in one of these Wall Street types assholes for wanting to gut these safety nets at a time when people will need them the most), the ACTUAL debt figure, according to some, was roughly 10 times the “official” figure, a totally unsustainable level of 140 trillion dollars.
    “Inability to grow the economy resulting in levels of debt that have to be taken on at a completely unsustainable rate” (Dmitry Orlov on you tube) is what will cause our collapse. Like all empires past, they collapse because their strategies for maximizing energy capture are subject to the laws of diminishing returns (Richard Heinberg “The Party’s Over”). In laymen’s terms, we went broke, we fucked up, we burned our ass and now must sit on the blisters. We took this one time gift from nature which essentially captured the energy of the sun for eons of time under ideal conditions of heat and pressure for granted and created this car culture, this sprawling suburbia which will prove to be the greatest misallocation of resources in human history (the window for the creation of fossil fuels…..James Howard Kunstler, “The Long Emergency”) and Everything has peaked or is about to peak. (Heinberg “Peak Everything”) Without the physical resources (food) necessary to sustain endless industrial growth, along with the credit/debt (oxygen) for the financial system to maintain it, endless growth is indeed a thing of the past (Heinberg, “The End Of Growth”).
    How is growth possible? Physical resources (which are in terminal decline) and credit…..charging for the use of money with the expectation that future growth/production/capital will pay for it. By setting an interest rate. “You have then locked yourself into a mathematical equation which is debt raised to the power of time. No physical process short of a nuclear explosion can keep pace with it. Collapse is baked into that equation” (Dmitry Orlov, “Collapse Of The Titans” on youtube).
    It does not surprise me that a country which I believe the sole country left in the world that could not/ cannot convert to the vastly superior metric system (based on units of ten) with its illiteracy rate and poisoning what’s left of its collective damaged brain with GMOs, high fructose corn syrup, and that deadly toxin/carcinogen “aspartame” and subsequent collective obesity, lethargy, premature death, and increasing psychosis cannot grasp their ears firmly all pull their heads out of their asses to see that collapse is gaining momentum, that housing values are never going back to “normal”, that the boarded up strip malls are going to open again once the “double dip recession” is over, that the tooth fairy and the easter bunny are not real, etc ad naseum
    Toss the idea of peak oil/resource depletion/collapse out to the average person at work. They think you are crazy. They are yapping about the latest Corvette at the auto show or the latest sale at the soon to be gone shopping mall or the latest fecal stew/coronary bypass recipe being advertised at the local fast food joint. Bring up the subject and these people annoint themselves instant experts….too big to collapse, solar panels, will always be more oil (the latest being the great discovery in one of the Dakota states), the usual response…..denial
    And so it stands with (what I soon expect) to be leaders turned dictators, until the will and the energy to maintain martial law proves futile, they are also in denial and will become like the dinosaurs…..once scary, but now extinct (Orlov, Reinventing Collapse). They probably see a dollar collapse, and thus the “national defense authorization act passed by our good “liberal” president Obama” and thus the impetus for them purchasing hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow point bullets, but after what might be a very bloody, violent, and in the end, futile effort to force feed the “united states of america”, if we survive, will revert back to simpler hunter/gatherer tribal communities based on simple barter and certainly with far less resource consumption.
    Meanwhile, pull up a chair and watch the circus clowns and whores of Wallstreet/Goldman-Sachs pretend like the show must go on. Would be amusing if so many millions of lives would not be lost as a result of arrogance and denial.

  586. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

    a service to both God and the State. Very Alien to you I’m sure. But look were the opposite has taken us…
    ============
    I don’t even have to put words in your mouth. You are admitting it openly: “service to God and the State” You want to bring back the fucking Ozzie and Harriet 1950’s when white men ruled the roost and people knew their places and did their duty.
    This is not at all alien, Radu. It was what we were spoon fed by church and public schools for all our young lives in the 1940s and 1950s. We have yet to see the opposite. All we get is patriotic brainwashing, playing the national anthem at sporting events, saluting the flag, thanking the soldiers for their “service” etc. etc. Where is the Dept. of Peace? Why doesn’t it exist and why doesn’t it get $700 BILLION per year like the Dept. of War does?

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  587. xhalor January 25, 2013 at 11:29 pm #

    “When you find yourself in a situation of such 5th grade, demoralizing, bureaucratic insignificance, you might want to just focus on f,,uc.king the secretaries?”
    ————————————————–
    Unless part of that situation includes being married….asshole

  588. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 11:33 pm #

    I’ve produced alot of high quality work here today. Too bad no paycheck will be forthcoming. Everything I have said is against the ruling Ethos of this Regime, this Civilization, this Age, and this Aeon.

  589. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    Toss the idea of peak oil/resource depletion/collapse out to the average person at work. They think you are crazy.
    ==============
    You are crazy because what you are saying year after year (“the sky is falling”) never comes to pass. Why should anyone believe you?
    You believe that we are all competing with each other for scarce resources, that life is by nature a zero-sum game. Your colleagues at work know differently.

  590. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    So why did they sabotage Dennis Kuchinik when he ran for Prez? He had no chance, anymore than Ron Paul. He wanted exactly that. He’s a good little guy and they hate him for it. They’re jealous that a little gnome can have a hot wife six inches taller than him, 20 years younger, with a tongue ring.
    Yes, he’s a Jew. A good one, a Mensch among Men. And they hate him, mercilessly lamphooning him on SNL as a queer little elf.
    Ozzie and Harriet? I! who have known the kisses of the women of Hell? Not likely, bucko.
    He and Ron Paul should have demanded a recount. Many votes were missing on Paul’s side. In small town in N.H, he got no votes at all. People came and asked where their vote was. Kuchinik claimed the same though I don’t know the specifics. That would have been a real service to America: make Diebold open the Machine to reveal the ghost of deception.

  591. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    Where should I send the paycheck? You have worked hard today.
    But your statement that: “Everything I have said is against the ruling Ethos of this Regime, this Civilization, this Age, and this Aeon.” is clearly not true. You are advocating fascism and fascism has a long history which you fall right in line with it.
    Your political philosophy holds nation and race above the individual, and advocates the establishment of an authoritarian government with absolute power vested in the leader. You are perfectly in tune with the people who joined the KKK in the 1920s, followed Father Coughlin in the 1930s, backed Joe McCarthy in the early ’50s, joined the John Birch society in the ’60s, and signed up for the Moral Majority in the 1970s and the Christian Coalition in the 1990s.
    You, Radu, are no rebel. You are right there with a large segment of the American population.

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  592. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

    That is so beautiful. I love the way your name keeps changing from asoka to Asoka. It’s like the way the Univese can be either seen as a wave or a particle…

  593. asoka.. January 25, 2013 at 11:51 pm #

    It’s the software, stupid. I am not changing anything.

  594. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

    You can forgive me a little hyperbole, I trust. Yes a rebel has comrades, together they make a Revolution. The “Leftist” Revolution was executed from the Top in America. Thus millions of Conservatives were marginalized and made into rebels against the New Order. They didn’t understand this of course – kept looking down at the Marxist Street Scum who were already above them in the new Hierarchy. All in all, it was a Masterful piece of work.
    Only very slowly have Conservatives begun to understand. John Birch did, but they were mocked to scorn by “our” media. Understanding that the Media had been taken over long ago was the greatest difficulty fo the Right. How can an Organism function without a nervous system? How can the brain send its instructions to the body? The Media is the nervous system and only obeyed the new Elite.

  595. Radu Voda January 25, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

    Why doesn’t everyone else’s name change like that?

  596. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    asoka.. replied to COMMENT FROM RADU VODA
    Radu Voda replied to COMMENT FROM ASOKA..
    See? Your name changes. Sometime caps, sometimes not.
    Everybody’s name changes depending on whether they are replying or being replied to.
    Like I said, it’s the software, stupid. Your stupidity is comforting. Not much chance you can get a white nation going.

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  597. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 12:28 am #

    Yes a rebel has comrades
    ==========
    No, a rebel does not have comrades in the existential sense I am using the word rebel.
    Conservatives, patriots, fascists, revolutionaries, communists, Marxists, Trotskyists, socialists, all have comrades and they are all reactionaries, reacting to material conditions outside themselves.
    I shouldn’t have to explain this to you, Radu. You should be well aware of the FLIGHT OF THE ALONE TO THE ALONE. (Plotinus [VI, 9, ix])
    Read Albert Camus’ THE REBEL if you still don’t understand. Camus develops the notion of metaphysical and historical rebellion in opposition to the concept of revolution.

  598. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 1:10 am #

    Xhalor wrote: “Unless part of that situation includes being married….asshole.”
    Ouch….
    Hopefully, happily-married, otherwise it’s a Jango.
    Well…look on the bright-side: At least, you’re not responsible, just a mannequin on display.

  599. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 1:14 am #

    Radiation isn’t nearly as dangerous as the Left has taught – after the immediate blast at least. The Chernobyl area has become Europe’s greatest Wildlife preserves. The animals are normal. Don’t give up. Get under a few feet of soil and stay there for a week or so and you should Ok.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/life-after-chernobyl-sergei-gaschaks-photography-from-inside-the-zone-8467725.html

  600. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 1:23 am #

    Oh I never noticed since I had no reason to. Why does the software do this? Your insults are unkind, and uneccesary to one who is supposed to be pure love. Your outrage is particularly strange considering the reality vs the stories you’ve told.
    I’m using the word rebel in its common meaning accessible to all. That doesn’t negate your esoteric meaning, which I respect.

  601. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 1:55 am #

    It’s interesting that people consider it an affront to their ego to be reminded of their insignificance.
    Oh well….
    I see that Dmitri Orlov is moaning about whether writing books is even worth the effort. Unfortunately, they don’t pay royalties for being right and able to say: “I told ya so.”
    A bit like the bloke returning to Jonestown after they drank the Cool Aid and remarking: “See, I told ya so.”

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  602. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 1:58 am #

    Ever been catfished? Ever date someone for years only to find out that the girl of your dreams is an overweight guy in a wife beater t shirt?

  603. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 2:31 am #

    Secret Agent Man
    Sorry bout the commercial.
    Dog wiggles butt……….

  604. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 2:39 am #

    I just wonder where they get these societal washouts that gleefully psychologically assault regular folk with such obvious poo-slinging on the interwebs.
    Believe it or not, the khans of the Golden Horde with their Turkic and Tartar Muslim armies of the 1400’s were worse in their brutal and unrelenting subjugation of the Russan people.
    But hey give em time. They’re not done yet. Human nature sucks. Snowballs get bigger when they roll downhill.
    As to where they can get them? Temp agencies.

  605. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 3:46 am #

    At thirty five minutes fifty seconds I think JHK rode by on a bicycle.
    “It’s an untenable artificial world”
    Zippy I WANT To
    LOVE LEVITTOWN”
    I REALLY DO..SHOW
    ME, ZIPPY.. HOW IS
    IT THAT YOU CAN
    LOVE LEVITTOWN?
    .
    .
    .
    I’M SELF-MEDICATED
    Thats at 38:26
    Four paws up.
    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????
    We need to take care of our own. Americans, all of them.

  606. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 3:46 am #

    That’s at 38:26

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  607. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 4:40 am #

    RV wrote: “Ever been catfished?”
    T-Shirt in the Deep South: “A Million Battered Women and No Tartar Sauce.”

  608. nameta9 January 26, 2013 at 5:59 am #

    INTRACTABLE – Part Two
    As if any mental model really corresponds to reality, like when the debates in politics finds everyone trying to second guess how everyone else will act, what they want, what they will do and so forth, when everything anyone says depends on how the world looks from his own point of view, if he is rich then the world appears differently than if he is poor, the rich want less taxes, the poor more to sponge off the rich and so forth, but both think that their model is general, is valid universally when the model is 100 % dependent on the interests of the person assuming the model, and in fact there are no universals at all, only a never ending array of (point like disjoint and independent imaginary models with no truth or connection between them whatsoever) contrasting interests, contrasting agendas, contrasting situations and personal economic situations pretending to be the same for everyone when in all truth there is nothing at all (it is all subjective now, nothing is in common with anything), only millions of random subjective impulses, desires and make believe models all the economists and politicians and everyone chants, as if their personal situation is the same for everyone and so forth. And we want to force things (force the world to be like we imagine it to be, but really want it to be, we pretend the world coincides with our imaginary mental model of the world, but especially what desires we want hiding behind fake “objective” mental models) to abide to our mental model and think that our personal situation (the poor that rants against the rich and such and the unemployed that rants against the unemployment numbers improving) is the truth, the universal truth, must be the truth and everyone else is wrong and lying when in all truth no model is the truth, everything is random and even if the unemployment numbers improve it is mostly a random quirk that doesn’t mean anything and can always change in a jiffy.
    Decisions and choices depend on the random will power of a person, and as such can change in any direction from moment to moment, in second one he may want to buy 10 houses and the next second decide to do nothing and the next second decide to buy stocks and the next second anything else imaginable and in such a way in five seconds the individual having cash (any amount of cash) changed his mind 5 times, now multiply this by millions of people worldwide and everywhere and banks and organizations, and then you can see how intractable and meaningless all the numbers are, how the numbers don’t even exist, how so many millions of disjoint random decisions can’t add up to any pattern or any meaning and even if they did it would always be just a temporary random quirk, a trend or pattern or meaning that is always one instant away from being completely contradicted and demolished and changed (even because people like to oppose others, like to do the opposite of what others do, like to think they are better and smarter, when they are all stupid useless turds, you say black I say white and such).
    And all of the numbers don’t even exists: even if you knew how much cash everyone had, how much money was where and who had it and so forth, it wouldn’t mean a thing since the cash depends on random individual choices of how to allocate it, and since these can change randomly from moment to moment, since the very person even having the cash doesn’t even know what he will do with it himself, doesn’t even know what he can decide from moment to moment, can’t even predict his own choices and changes, how his man brain will react to all of the casual and random inputs to his mind, can’t even predict his own behavior and next moves, then how can any economic theory predict anything at all and have any validity at all since all movements of money depend on all of these wild and random choices the actors themselves have no idea what they will choose ?
    Just like the idea that small private start ups will hire people and such: what an idiotic idea, private actors hire if only they can make a profit, a gain, and will always hire the least amount of people possible, anyone would do this, you wouldn’t hire 10 people and make less profit if you can hire 3 that will do the work of 10 and hence gain more profit would you ? (although, given the random nature of all ideas and choices, some startups would, and some would hire thousands just to give out free cash, as nothing makes any sense and nothing has any real logic in it and so). And so the myth of tax cuts improving the economy and making private companies hire people and such: it is anyone’s guess if it is true, false, in between, or if the thing doesn’t even exist and such.
    But mostly, everyone wants to find a “moral fault” of someone else to blame why the economy isn’t doing good (and no one even knows what an economy is supposed to do anyways, what is good and bad anyways, it is all so vague and removed and intractable, an imaginary world having imaginary debates when then what happens on the ground in real life has almost no connection to all of the theories, debates and ideas, everything just chugs along the same way as it has been doing in the last 50 yeas or so), workers are lazy, they don’t have the right skill set, they need more education, we need more innovation and research, the unions killed the economy, unions are bad, the capitalists are bad because they want too much of a profit, the banks are bad, there are too many public workers, but in all truth there is no moral fault of anyone: morality has nothing to do with a “Technological Economy” (another moral fault of people saying that kids should study engineering instead of english in college and such, when in all truth, this economic system doesn’t need either, has loads of people of all kinds in all endeavors, there is no “moral fault” of anyone compared to anyone else, although people love to always chant what morality fault everyone else has and such). The moral guilt of workers and others, someone is always wrong.
    And another myth is the myth of “Investments”, the myth that someone can invest in something and “Hire People” and such: nothing further from the truth, there are trillions of dollars worldwide not knowing what to so, but also there are so few real investments possible, that can give any real profit, that the rich just keep their cash, don’t invest in anything, since nothing is worth investing in as the future profit of almost all endeavors is so little and so small (even if there is a profit) that it is not even worth wasting time on investing on anything, let alone hiring people: another myth, the idea that investments correspond to “hiring people”: in a “Technological Economy” investments have very little to almost nothing to do with hiring people, people are always a pain in the ass, a liability, cash wants freedom, wants to multiply itself by itself (or sometimes may hire people to then fire them later (inventing all kinds of “objective reasons” why to fire) having fun hiring and firing and exercising power on others as so much cash gets them all bored, at least cruelty upon others is a way to have fun and such), and doesn’t need any more workers, the system is choke full of workers worldwide, is saturated with workers, the very use of the word Investment is completely off the mark and wrong, we don’t need Investments (which imply a profit, a future increase in cash, but if you hire people you already start losing the cash to pay them and they are mostly useless anyways, layabouts, idle, lazy, not skilled and you name it and it doesn’t even matter if it is true or false, things on the ground will simply go their own way no matter what anyone thinks or wants, no matter what laws are passed, no matter how many debates and economic theories are invented and no matter how much information is thrown at problems with the expectation that ideas can change the behaviors of millions of disjoint people doing whatever they want outside of any models and truths), we should kill this word Investment: we need free handouts, we need governments to hire millions and cheap rents, we need free cash, there are no private corporations that need so many people working for them anymore (and when they do need it, they look like superstar heroes, when according to the Standard Economic Model, it should be normal when today nothing is normal anyone).
    But then at this point we get back to public economy versus private economy, socialism versus capitalism: if you give free handouts to all the economy will die since there is no incentive to do anything, if you let the economy be run by private clowns, they will hog up as much cash as possible and become a super rich minority class: hence we need both public and private, a bit of both systems, and huge public – private projects hiring millions to build skyscrapers, rockets to mars, high speed trains and so forth (and millions to do proudly and bluntly nothing at all and be idle, but beware the devil loves idle hands), and cheap rents and free handouts, I want free cash, I want to be a layabout watching TV all day, I like being lazy and sponging off the system I have “no morality” can care less about “morality” and such, I want my free lunch, please all you rich just give the money out for free, you aren’t doing anything with it anyways…
    THUS SPOKE THE TOBOR
    t

  609. insufferable January 26, 2013 at 8:40 am #

    Dear misty
    I think you are the best one liner responder on this blog. I totally agree with all your respsonses. These so called egotistical do gooders are just all smoke and mirrors. When push comes to shove you are by far the winner. Bravo. You certainly know how to call a spade a spade.

  610. ozone January 26, 2013 at 8:54 am #

    Did anyone see the Truthout article JHK linked to?
    Here’s a quote from Arundhati Roy contained therein:
    “This theft of language, this technique of usurping words and deploying them like weapons, of using them to mask intent and to mean exactly the opposite of what they have traditionally meant, has been one of the most brilliant strategic victories of the czars of the new dispensation. It has allowed them to marginalize their detractors, deprive them of a language to voice their critique and dismiss them as being “anti-progress,” “anti-development,” “anti-reform,” and of course “anti-national” – negativists of the worst sort. To reclaim these stolen words requires explanations that are too tedious for a world with a short attention span, and too expensive in an era when Free Speech has become unaffordable for the poor. This language heist may prove to be the keystone of our undoing.”
    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13998-the-new-extremism-and-politics-of-distraction-in-the-age-of-austerity
    The article hits on several different nodes to define our political malaise (mostly bashing on the GOPcraaaazy), but I contend that the permanent military state tells us all we need to know about the “concerns” of the real power brokers; and in this regard, there are many, many fingers plunged into a very large pie, political rhetoric be damned. We should remember that the current commandeer-er-in-chief never saw a war-funding bill he didn’t vote “yea” for.
    How many states in the FUSA contain a military-based industry?

  611. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    Good comment, ozone. Thanks!
    3:33:33 dot dot

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  612. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Obamacare will stimulate small business with the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit.
    For tax years 2010 through 2013, the maximum credit is 35 percent for small business employers and 25 percent for small tax-exempt employers such as charities. An enhanced version of the credit will be effective beginning Jan. 1, 2014. Additional information about the enhanced version will be added to IRS.gov as it becomes available. In general, on Jan. 1, 2014, the rate will increase to 50 percent and 35 percent, respectively.
    Here’s what this means for you. If you pay $50,000 a year toward workers’ health care premiums – and if you qualify for a 15 percent credit, you save … $7,500. If you save $7,500 a year from tax year 2010 through 2013, that’s total savings of $30,000.
    If, in 2014, you qualify for a slightly larger credit, say 20 percent, your savings go from $7,500 a year to $12,000 a year.

  613. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    How many states in the FUSA contain a military-based industry?
    =========
    Why I do believe that would be all of them, Meester ozone. It was designed that to make our military dictatorship (i.e., the military dictates the budget) possible.

  614. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    asoka.., I see The Light (literally and figuratively) when it comes to Hydrogen and the future. You are correct, Hydrogen is the future. Thanks for guiding me to The Light!!
    The Hydrogen Economy

  615. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:07 am #

    For those who still don’t believe Obamacare is good for small business, remember that even if you are a small business employer who did not owe tax during the year, you can carry the credit back or forward to other tax years.
    Also, since the amount of the health insurance premium payments are more than the total credit, eligible small businesses can still claim a business expense deduction for the premiums in excess of the credit. That’s both a credit and a deduction for employee premium payments.
    There is good news for small tax-exempt employers too. The credit is refundable, so even if you have no taxable income, you may be eligible to receive the credit as a refund so long as it does not exceed your income tax withholding and Medicare tax liability.
    And finally, if you can benefit from the credit this year but forgot to claim it on your tax return there’s still time to file an amended return.
    That Obama fellow… he playin’ chess.

  616. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    Where is the Dept. of Peace? Why doesn’t it exist and why doesn’t it get $700 BILLION per year like the Dept. of War does?

    That’s cured easily enough with a mere name change. Watch, it’s coming. DoD will become DoP, but of course, nothing else will change, and people will fall for it.

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  617. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:09 am #

    You are welcome, CW. Glad you finally accept the science of it, just like Galileo.

  618. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    Damn it, CW, it is on Facebook…
    http://www.facebook.com/DepartmentofPeace
    that means it must be real.

  619. ozone January 26, 2013 at 10:16 am #

    Excellent assessment, MN.
    Although I’ve “gotten used to it”, the lack of any kind of preparation for any form of disaster or disappearance of expected services is just plain hubristic stupidity on the part of a benumbed and enthusiastically distracted/entertained public.
    A comfy cocoon of cosseted [and encouraged] denial has been spun, but a vigilant, ever-hungry spider awaits the emergence. The consumer becomes the consumed.
    Nemisis follows Hubris as night follows day; all fall down.

  620. ozone January 26, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    NEMESIS, that is. (I don’t think I’ve ever spelled that correctly on the first attempt! ;o)

  621. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:23 am #

    Time is coming soon when comprehensive immigration reform is going to get bipartisan support for legislation. They are about to make immigrants jump through hoops in order to normalize the status of the nation’s 11 million undocumented immigrants.
    Those with clean criminal records will be able to obtain legal “work permits” instead of just giving them citizenship outright.
    You can expect the legislators to endorse stricter border controls instead of opening the borders, and a better system for employers to verify the immigration status of workers.
    What should be done is grant illegal immigrants full citizenship immediately, without having to jump through hoops. That’s how it was for the white folks who came between 1830 and 1930.

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  622. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    SPOILER ALERT: Ashton Kutcher did a great job playing Steve Jobs!

  623. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    the lack of any kind of preparation for any form of disaster or disappearance of expected services is just plain hubristic stupidity
    ===========
    Hubristic? Don’t think I agree.
    When has anyone bragged or shown pride at being unprepared? Stupidity doesn’t rise to that level.

  624. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    The Affordable Health Care Act is going to be a blast. The name is appropriate, just like Dubya’s Clear Skies Act. The use of the word “Exchange” is interesting, and perhaps telling. The only other time I’ve seen that word used as it relates to something involving the Government is in the movie Soylent Green. Yikes!!!
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/synopsis

    Meanwhile, Roth examines Soylent’s oceanographic reports at the “Supreme Exchange,” a library and gathering place for fellow “books.” The “books” and Roth finally realize that the reports indicate a “horrible” truth which, despite reading it for themselves, they find nearly impossible to believe; Soylent Green isn’t made from plankton, it’s made from human bodies. Unable to live with what he has uncovered, Roth opts for assisted suicide at a government clinic (in the former Madison Square Garden, which had been converted to a clinic for mass euthanasia), a process referred to as “going home”. As Roth is dying, he watches video clips of Earth long ago when animal (sheep, deer, and horses) and plant life was thriving and there was no pollution, while listening to light classical music.

  625. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    Maybe asoka.. is doing this for the DoP:
    http://kassandraproject.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/government-thought-policing-the-nsa-and-remote-neural-monitoring-rnm/

    How The National Security Agency (NSA) Illegally And Unconstitutionally Harasses Law-Abiding Americans Everyday. How, you ask? Quite simply, actually. It’s done by EMF or ELF Radio Waves, and a technology known as “Remote Neural Monitoring”. Haven’t you ever wondered about that ringing in your left ear? Well, here are the reason(s). And just why should the NSA do this, you ask? To silence any who who dare to speak out against them or any other agency, or the Government or simply to think for themselves, and “outside the box”, if you will. Think not? Then, read on……….

    You are so busted, asoka.. Well, you can’t neurally monitor someone who has removed all their neurons, can you? Not yet, at least. Folks, if you haven’t already, have your neurons removed. There are people who will do this for you free of charge….and as an added bonus, they will also remove your mercury and silver amalgam fillings. Together we can defeat the asoka..’s of the world.

  626. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    You think you smart? You think we have not already developed counter strategies for those with no neurons? We have three cost-effective counter strategies. Resistance is futile. All your neurons belong to us.

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  627. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 11:26 am #

    Well, if you have them, then they no longer belong to us and we are free. This is what people don’t realize. We’re not flesh and blood. We’re programs, and those neurons are code. Get rid of your neurons, i.e. give them back to asoka.. and the DoP (Department of Programming) and prepare your own, open source neural network. We can do this, folks. Don’t listen to the deceptive asoka.. and his rantings about Camus and Rebels. He/they want(s) you to think and stand alone. Divide and conquer is there programming motto. You are so busted, asoka.. We’re on to you now.

  628. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    You are playing right into our hands. Yes, give me all your tired neurons, your poor neurons, your huddled masses of neurons yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming and impoverished brains. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost neurons to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

  629. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    That should read “is their programming motto,” not “is there programming motto.” When you are in neuron replacement therapy, there’s a time where you have an inadequate quantity of neurons and you can be considered a moron. During this phase, misspellings are commonplace. So too is virulent and zealous racism and bigotry. This means we should cut Radu some slack. He’s in process, and soon, hopefully, his replacement therapy will be complete…unless asoka.. and his ilk find a way to intervene and reverse it.

  630. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 11:36 am #

    Have y’all read Al Gore’s new book, THE FUTURE: SIX DRIVERS OF GLOBAL CHANGE?

  631. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    Nah, many of us are still finishing his last book; How To Beat A Possession Charge In California And Keep It Off The Front Pages. Although, it’s not entirely clear why 500 pages were necessary when ten words, or less, would have sufficed for the answer. And the answer is what, you ask?
    Become a Senator and/or Vice-President.

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  632. ozone January 26, 2013 at 11:53 am #

    Finally! An answer to the burning question: “How can I break any law I please, and still have the authority to make more of ’em?”.
    Thanks, CW, I’ll pass that one on to career counselors everywhere.
    Hallelujah, it’s mornin’ in ‘Murka!

  633. Jam47 January 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    Anyone who wants to remove another person’s neurons would do well to leave that person’s mercury amalgam fillings IN. Left in, they’ll continue their job of neuron-removal all on their own. It’s a job they are very good at.

  634. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    I think you are the best one liner responder on this blog. I totally agree with all your respsonses. These so called egotistical do gooders are just all smoke and mirrors. When push comes to shove you are by far the winner. Bravo. You certainly know how to call a spade a spade.
    =============
    Insuff, your post is a great (in the sense of quantity, not quality) agglomeration of inappropriate cliches in one short paragraph (see italics). Congratulations.
    P.S. The bolded words all require hyphens and you misspelled responses. But you could care less, right?

  635. ComradeDystopia January 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    Hey Michigan Native pretty good post. But I doubt the $17 trillion national debt matters much. This place can be kept going thru sheer political will, at the point of bayonets if necessary. Just look at the US Postal Service: it is losing $42 million per day, but the mail still gets delivered.

  636. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    The Chernobyl area has become Europe’s greatest Wildlife preserves.
    ================
    From Random House:
    preserve – a place set apart for protection and propagation of game or fish, esp. for sport.
    preserves – fruit, vegetables, etc., prepared by cooking with sugar.

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  637. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    Call me Old-Fashioned, but I prefer Raspberry Preserves. Wildlife Preserves are too gamey. Strawberry Preserves ranks right there with Raspberry. Prairie Dog Preserves are a bitter pill to swallow unless you follow it with a chaser (read fifth) of good, strong Bourbon.

  638. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    You are advocating fascism and fascism has a long history which you fall right in line with it.
    =========
    Should be:
    You are advocating fascism and fascism has a long history which you fall right in line with.
    And no need to concern yourself with a preposition at the end of the sentence. The great grammarians William Safire and David Foster Wallace have blessed this usage in most instances.

  639. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Ebonic contamination.

  640. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 1:32 pm #

    …mercilessly lamphooning him…
    ==============
    There’s no h Vlad. It’s lampooning. If you put an h in there the pronunciation becomes lamfooning.
    What operating system do you have on your computer? If it’s, say, Windows 7 there’s a built in spell checker. Many others have them as well. You finish writing your comment then click on the “Check” icon. Or would this slow you down too much?

  641. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    Ebonic contamination.
    ============
    No, Ebonic contamination would have resulted in “you fall right in line widdit”.

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  642. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    Yo Kyoo, you frontin me?

  643. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    Your colleagues at work know differently.
    ============
    I disagree. More than likely his colleagues have not even heard the term peak oil, or if they have have not read or thought about it in depth. It’s a case of “ignorance is bliss.” Their default belief is that technology will bail us out.
    During a museum trip last year I became engaged in conversation over lunch with a Rutgers professor (in some field of science) and he had never heard the term “peak oil.” And, he has a daughter who is a VP with Shell Oil.

  644. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

    You say:
    10 times the “official” figure, a totally unsustainable level of 140 trillion dollars
    Do you realize how much money that is? That would be enough to buy all the oil left in the world at current prices. I think it also goes to the moon and back more than seventeen times when stacked up.
    The human brain denial circuit is activated when group solidarity is required. Then suspension of reason becomes patriotic as everyone gets stupid to fit in with the group and head in a common direction. I’m pretty sure the Human Oxytocin Mediated Empathy (HOME) circuit is involved.
    I’m two thirds of the way through and I’m not disagreeing with anything I’ve read. I’ll finish today.
    Denial is going to turn out to be something with appropriate survival benefits under certain circumstances. It is there to promote group cohesion and to generate appropriate behavior when encountering strangers. But as we are no longer hunter-gatherers it’s got no place in my world.
    You say:
    cheap and abundant fossil fuel energy, thinking there was no end in sight.
    From the point of view of someone who looks around and considers only those he/she sees and is personally connected with as members of their group this actually becomes a true statement. Forgetting about future generations which is very easy to do and ‘no end in sight’ makes sense from the twisted point of view.
    Only by considering everyone as having equal membership in the group will denial be faced and defeated. Considering others as equal will literally increase intelligence because denial interferes with mental function.
    I’m always yapping about equality and there is a good reason why.
    I figured out a while ago that so long as people don’t see our situation as something we are all in together there is absolutely no hope. Failure to identify with the common family of man will cause our extinction. We must come together as one common pack.
    Denial impairs reason but gives a warm fuzzy glow and reinforces itself. Giving people strongly invested in denial lots of attention and arguing against them is counterproductive. It actually grounds them more firmly in delusion as a religious zeal and faith in their position is fueled and nurtured.
    Being a racist or considering yourself to be safe and secure in a mud hut somewhere in South America promotes denial and gives a false sense of security. A saint Asoka the martyr complex is reinforced by more than just a paycheck. Attention provides the more powerful incentive. Delusion will self reinforce when the group rewards it.
    “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.”
    Knowing the truth about denial will help us deal with it. Dealing with denial requires more than a simple frontal assault with ‘reason’. We have to know our enemy and understand the social basis for their stupidity before making any progress. We must fight group-think and denial is going to turn out to be group-think in a chemical bath.
    ???????????????????????????????????????????
    Going metric the volume of one kdog or one trillion barrels of oil makes a cube 5.4 kilometers on a side.
    I’m giving Chinese water torture to denial.

  645. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    “Their default belief is that technology will bail us out.”
    But their default belief is a belief in magic, not technology. Someone who really understands what technology is does not make that mistake.

  646. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    Any luck with getting Fred’s contact info? It wont help anyway since newspapermen don’t follow conventional grammar exactly. Just like their Chinese conferes, they have their own self made standards. Check with the AP stylebook.
    Why don’t you check my stats to find out what kind of system I have? Or have you do so already?

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  647. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

    Imagine if I had said, Chernobyl has become one of Europe’s greatest wildlife preserves. Where would you be then? Imagine that: two words spelled the same but meaning something completely different.
    You’d be up the crook without a twaddle.

  648. Radu Voda January 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    Lincoln – the Great Man Himself in His own words: a White Nationalist. Of course he didn’t use the words, since that would have been redundant. All Nationalists were White Nationalists back then.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/01/address-on-colonization-to-a-deputation-of-negroes/#more-35602

  649. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    17 Oct. 1973 – People waited for hours in long lines at gas stations—at some New Jersey pumps, lines were four miles long!

  650. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    I’ve gotten myself all worked up over the spoken word in the past two days. What it really is is people’s habitual manners of speech. Idiosyncrasies they HAVE but are oblivious to. It started yesterday during breakfast.
    Andrew Ross Sorkin, CNBC TV journalist and NY Times financial columnist, was in Davos, Switzerland for the annual get-together of the world’s .000000001%ers. He was interviewing Lloyd “Client Schmient” Blankfein. LB’s response to virtually every question began in one of three ways:
    . Look, ……
    . Listen, …….
    or the doubly offensive
    . Listen, look, …….
    I consider this to be “in your face” language and I intend to inform Blankfein by letter or email how annoying I find it to be.
    And then came this morning:
    There’s a guy on Ch4 every Saturday morning known as “Pete the Produce Man.” (My wife loves him.) He has a NY accent you could cut with a knife which is two strikes against him for starters. For example, New Yorkers pronounce the word “because” as be-koss rather than be-cawz. He talks about fruits, vegetables, melons, etc that are in season and are “really really” great. This week it’s some particular melon that’s coming in from Costa Rica that’s “really really” good. If you cut it in half and let it sit on the counter a couple of hours before eating it “the sugar will come out” and it will taste “really really” terrific.
    This form of verbal emphasis, where the speaker apparently doesn’t feel a lone “really” provides the necessary hyperbolic oomph, drives me “really really” nuts.
    And so, I will be corresponding with Pete the Produce Man as well.
    I believe I already told you a year or two ago about a former Fed governor who says “prahlem” for problem and “prolly” for probably… I wrote to him 3 separate times to no avail. Imagine, a fucking FED GOVERNOR….. prolly with a DOCTORATE degree!

  651. ozone January 26, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

    Q.,
    Are you sure he doesn’t have a Dock’rit degree instead? ;o)

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  652. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    Any luck with getting Fred’s contact info?
    =============
    No, the supposedly helpful info Prog posted to me may as well have been written in Chinese. People have to understand…when giving me computer instructions one must be very thorough and dispense with ALL technical jargon. Prog should have begun something like this:
    1) OK Kyoo, follow along closely with me, this is not rocket science: Press the “On” button of your computer. It will have a symbol on it that resembles a circle with a vertical short straight line pointing upward to where the number 12 would be if it were a clock face. Allow your computer a minute or two to come on and display stuff on its monitor (a TV-like display). This process is known as “booting up.” etc., etc.

  653. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    Did you finally manage to eliminate listening to all those who have high rising terminal uptalk? Your OCD schtick is wearing thin. You couldn’t possibly suffer so much from so many different irritations or you would have a miserable life with very little sleep.

  654. ozone January 26, 2013 at 4:54 pm #

    Oh, that, “look” “listen” crapola directly implies that one is doing neither. Not a smart way to universally treat people. He may be able to get away with that when addressing members of his company or the sycophantic media, but that verbal finger-in-the-face could get him a beatdown in a shot ‘n’ beer joint (although it’s unlikely he’ll ever be found in such surroundings).
    By all means, write him a note; at least one of his personal assistants (who actually reads his mail) will know EXACTLY whereof you speak.

  655. Kyooshtik January 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    Did you finally manage to eliminate listening to all those who have high rising terminal uptalk?
    ============
    Uptalk and vocal fry are constant irritants.

  656. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

    Did someone suggest that asoka might in reality be some government stooge trying to catfish us?
    Is that Mutha F..cka try’n to Jango our ass?!

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  657. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    Joint research, due to collaboration between Toyota and BMW, will be started to develop a lithium-air battery, which will be more powerful than the current lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles.
    The technology, which other automakers are also working on, will allow a major part of the battery’s energy-making process to come from the oxygen in air.

  658. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    Have you ever noticed that “in school” that you get rewarded (i.e., a “good grade”) if you put the correct, honest answer on the test, but that outside of school that typically you get punished for giving the correct, honest answer?
    JHK and Orlov may be waiting a very long time for the royalties on their books, while O.,ba ma will be raking in the cash on his rubbish, “The Audacity of Hope”.

  659. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    If you’re going to talk rumors, get it straight.
    Asoka.. is a decorated combat veteran currently working for DoD.
    Thank me for my service, dude.
    3:33:33 dot dot
    (confirmed DoD stooge, with a fucking time stamp)

  660. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    Your time stamp is sticking out again. it says 5:29 but it is only 2:24 my time. get it fixed dumbo.

  661. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    Women in Charge.
    Philly was never sleeping, he just knows what feels good.

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  662. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    All the time stamps are now off. I wonder how that happened?
    Not

  663. nameta9 January 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    No Solutions to Any Problems Ever…
    The law of conservation of problems: no matter how many thoughts you throw at problems, they will always remain, or at best change into some other new problems, but the law of conservation of problems corresponds to the law of conservation of thoughts: no matter how many problems you solve you will always be forced to execute the same number of thoughts (or ever more thoughts, a never ending stream of thoughts and problems and worries and so forth and feelings and ups and downs and so forth) to solve new problems that will either never be solved or will be transformed into new problems and hence trigger new thoughts and so forth: no matter how many thoughts you throw at problems, nay, no matter how many things you do, events you execute, no matter how many sequence of events, and fights and whatever, all remains the same and you never get anywhere, the problems will continue forever since they will never solve any problem and so forth: and even if they did solve all problems, you would just invent, create, force new problems and new thoughts to throw at them all over again, even if you don’t but something independent from you will, some random casual force will always create new problems and trigger a never ending array of new thoughts, and conflicts and debates and especially a never ending array of information to throw at problems and the loop continues forever and so forth and such. The problems remain forever because they are structurally invariant, just like the thoughts will continue forever: no matter how many thoughts and information you throw at problems, no matter how many debates and conflicts you throw at problems and fights you throw at problems, the debates and conflicts will never be resolved, the problems will never be resolved, you can’t think yourself out of the basic Man Brain circuit that always makes people fight automatically, that comprehends the entire experience set of existence in terms of simply fights, conflicts, A against B, A wins and B loses and so forth.
    All differences between any items, any difference between any items, a small rock and a big rock imply a metaphysical war, a contrast, a judgement of which is better, a thought process, a forced inequality and so force a war between all entities and items of the universe against each other since they are different, since the identity principle declared war on peace and all items will compare each other to each other and fight and judge and so forth.
    So go on, keep on throwing information at problems, keep on throwing thoughts at problems, keep on having problems, a never ending array of problems that will never be solved, keep on fighting between each other, keep on comparing each other to each other, but I will always win since I am the Ultimate, I am GOD, I am the Ultra GOD, I am all, I am the winner, I win all and you all lose all, like a cry baby I win, I win, I win !!!!!
    Like why must people speak and let their thoughts known at all ? they are just a trunk of mystery until they open their mouths and expose some thought processes, but as soon as they are quite again, they become once again a total mystery, but mostly a threat, you never know what could be on their mind, friend or enemy ? and so forth, how weird, an animal that can’t talk to other animals but can’t be quite, a constant infinite instability, the Man Brain a constant problem never solved, a never ending unstable and intractable machine and so forth…
    THUS SPOKE THE NUMBER 8
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  664. nameta9 January 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm #

    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it

  665. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

    Resistance is futile.
    All your time stamps are belong to me.

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  666. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    All your time stamps are belong to me.

    Gawd, that’s like finger nails on a chalk board. Or are you purposely taunting the Jersey Devil?

  667. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    CW, wise up. I am using is a broken English phrase that became an Internet phenomenon or meme from the opening cutscene of the 1991 European Sega Mega Drive version of the video game Zero Wing by Toaplan, which was terribly translated from the original Japanese version. You behind the times, CW.
    3:33:33 dot dot

  668. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    Whites get all nervous about non-whites getting power, cause they afraid what they did to non-whites is going to be done to them. So they start yelling “reverse racism!”
    Wait a minute. Isn’t it reverse racism when a racist does something nice for somebody else? What they really afraid of is called karma.

  669. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    Do you remember the Ben Stiller movie “Tropic Thunder” wherein the actors during the movie get confused and start to believe that they’re really grunts in Vietnam? The white Australian actor starts to believe that he’s really an oppressed black infantryman in “NAM”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLb2x-lHSw&noredirect=1

  670. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    I know who the Shantak-Bird is and it’s not me.

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  671. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    What is that DoD Booty like? Thanks.

  672. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

    When asked to comment on the book “The Long Emergency”, Michelle replied:
    “It’s not how big it is that counts. It’s how you use it.”

  673. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

    asoka.., you cray, cray.

  674. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    Don’t confuse Ebonics with Jive. They are different animals. Just ask June Cleaver.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s

  675. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

    Confucius say, never marry woman who can beat your ass. BHO didn’t listen.

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  676. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    I once saw on TV an interview with a black U.S. soldier who recounted the story of when he first received notice that he was to be deployed to the African country of Djibouti, pronounced “Jah Booty”.
    He said that when he told his family and friends that he was shipping out to “Jah Booty” they all started laughing.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti

  677. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    Look at the dates:
    January 20, 2009 – January 25, 2013
    Who’d a thought the asoka.. ripples would go so high high. January 25, 2013, hmmmmmmmmmm.
    Somebody get their butt canned?
    Just sayin,

  678. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    My link didn’t work.
    Might have been a good joke but I messed it up.

  679. Jam47 January 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm #

    “We shall not cease from exploration…”
    Is that T.S. Eliot? Don’t know much about modernist poetry or any kind of poetry at all. But I do know those lines. They’ve been stuck in memory ever since I read John Fowles “The Magus” in the late sixties. Wonderful novel, but the movie made from it was junk.
    Maurice Conchis, the magus, marks those lines in some book or the other for Nicholas Urfe, the novel’s protagonist, to read. Conchis is drawing Urfe into a dangerous real life game whose purpose is to teach Urfe the meaning of life.
    Maybe those three lines a joke. Maybe Eliot(or whoever it was) wanted the reader to treat with high seriousness a set of ideas that anyone with common sense could straightaway see was a banality.
    But could anything that sounds so weighty be a commonplace?

  680. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

    We shall not cease from exploration
    And the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we started
    And know the place for the first time.
    T.S. Eliot — “Little Gidding” (the last of his Four Quartets)

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  681. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

    Speaking of Lincoln, how ’bout a new form of Abolition?
    The Abolition of Work

    No one should ever work.
    Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world. Almost any evil you’d care to name comes from working or from living in a world designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to stop working.
    That doesn’t mean we have to stop doing things. It does mean creating a new way of life based on play; in other words, a ludic revolution. By “play” I mean also festivity, creativity, conviviality, commensality, and maybe even art. There is more to play than child’s play, as worthy as that is. I call for a collective adventure in generalized joy and freely interdependent exuberance. Play isn’t passive. Doubtless we all need a lot more time for sheer sloth and slack than we ever enjoy now, regardless of income or occupation, but once recovered from employment-induced exhaustion nearly all of us want to act.
    The ludic life is totally incompatible with existing reality. So much the worse for “reality,” the gravity hole that sucks the vitality from the little in life that still distinguishes it from mere survival. Curiously — or maybe not — all the old ideologies are conservative because they believe in work. Some of them, like Marxism and most brands of anarchism, believe in work all the more fiercely because they believe in so little else.
    Liberals say we should end employment discrimination. I say we should end employment. Conservatives support right-to-work laws. Following Karl Marx’s wayward son-in-law Paul Lafargue I support the right to be lazy. Leftists favor full employment. Like the surrealists — except that I’m not kidding — I favor full unemployment. Trotskyists agitate for permanent revolution. I agitate for permanent revelry. But if all the ideologues (as they do) advocate work — and not only because they plan to make other people do theirs — they are strangely reluctant to say so. They will carry on endlessly about wages, hours, working conditions, exploitation, productivity, profitability. They’ll gladly talk about anything but work itself. These experts who offer to do our thinking for us rarely share their conclusions about work, for all its saliency in the lives of all of us. Among themselves they quibble over the details. Unions and management agree that we ought to sell the time of our lives in exchange for survival, although they haggle over the price. Marxists think we should be bossed by bureaucrats. Libertarians think we should be bossed by businessmen. Feminists don’t care which form bossing takes so long as the bosses are women. Clearly these ideology-mongers have serious differences over how to divvy up the spoils of power. Just as clearly, none of them have any objection to power as such and all of them want to keep us working.

  682. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    Before I sought enlightenment, the mountains were mountains and the rivers were rivers.
    While I sought enlightenment, the mountains were not mountains and the rivers were not rivers.
    After I attained enlightenment, the mountains were mountains and the rivers were rivers.

  683. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

    Just as clearly, none of them have any objection to power as such
    =============
    This is not true. You should do some reading in theories of anarchism.

  684. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:23 pm #

    PS
    I am an anarchist and I am investigating myself.
    3:33:33 dot dot
    DoD stooge

  685. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

    I am an anarchist and I am investigating myself.

    Fine, it’s your business what you do to yourself, but at least have the decency to close the blinds.

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  686. k-dog January 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    PS
    I am an anarchist and I am investigating myself.
    3:33:33 dot dot

    Luving it aren’t you.
    Playing with yourself is so much fun.

  687. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

    Before you sought enlightenment, your shit stunk.
    While you sought enlightenment, your shit stunk.
    After you attained enlightenment, your shit stunk.

    No matter what you do, your shit will always stunk.

  688. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    Luving it aren’t you.
    ==========
    Definitely. Ecstatic.

  689. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    What is this?

    ==========

    A number of you do this. Is it a sign that you are one person with many stage names? Is it a throwback to many moons ago when you were using a Tandy and you all just can’t shake it? Inquiring minds want to know.
    http://img.tfd.com/cde/_TRS80.GIF

  690. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    True. And your point is?

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  691. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    Cool. You have an inquiring mind. Just like Rhino.

  692. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    True. And your point is?

    The point is obvious to anyone with a satisfactory level and combination of neurons.
    Two suns in the sunset
    Could be the Human Race is run

  693. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    The point is obvious
    ============
    What is the point?

  694. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    The point is, a Fruitarian diet will fuck your pancreas up. How many times must this be repeated until you will understand?

  695. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    False. Just the opposite is the case. CW, you are spreading lies not based on scientific findings.
    Jan. 16, 2013
    Annals of Epidemiology
    Nutrient-based dietary patterns and pancreatic cancer risk.
    Bosetti C, Bravi F, Turati F, Edefonti V, Polesel J, Decarli A, Negri E, Talamini R, Franceschi S, La Vecchia C, Zeegers MP.
    CONCLUSIONS:
    A diet characterized by a high consumption of meat and other animal products, as well as of (refined) cereals and sugars, is positively associated with pancreatic cancer risk, whereas a diet rich in fruit and vegetables is inversely associated.
    We were meant to eat fruits and vegetables.
    What is your point, if you have one? Cause you don’t know shit (odorless or not) about pancreatic cancer.

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  696. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    Are there any U.S. government departments that exercise total control over their employees lives? Where they live, what they wear, political correctness, monitor everyone’s emails, and where they talk about the Department Leader with strange obsequious child-like reverance? Thanks.

  697. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

    You and your “Hard Science,” asoka… Tell that to Ashton Kutcher, why doncha. Meanwhile, us meat-eaters will continue to eat meat, since that’s what we have evolved to do.

  698. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    The human digestive system and physiology determines our optimum diet. By understanding the physiological processes that accompany food digestion and absorption, proper dietary habits can be scientifically determined. Our natural diet should consist primarily of fruits, nuts, and green vegetables. We can be called frugivores because many “vegetables” are botanically considered fruits.
    Frugivores are physiologically equipped to obtain energy primarily from the natural sugar in fruits. Humans are bestowed with a kind of “natural sweet tooth” to guide us in the selection of foods that meet our biological disposition and our caloric needs: namely, sweet juicy fruits. Our anatomy is such that we are capable of picking fruits, masticate, digest, and appropriate them with ease and efficiency. Fruits contain all the nutrients we need: vitamins, minerals, proteins (in the form of amino acids), fats, and carbohydrates. All seed-bearing foods are botanically defined as “fruit”. This includes avocado, sweet pepper, cucumber, tomato, eggplant, even nuts and seeds.
    http://dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html

  699. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

    Yes, in addition to being a decorated combat veteran, I am also a scientist who relies upon empirical evidence and peer-reviewed science. I am large. I contain multitudes.
    And you still don’t have a point.

  700. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    The point is, if what you say is true about diet and pancreatic cancer, then the world’s population should drop from 7 billion to 3.5 billion in a few short years. Crisis averted. Now we see what you meant by voluntary, you old Tricky Dick, you.

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  701. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    Crisis averted. Now we see what you meant by voluntary…
    ===============
    Now you are getting it!
    No tragedy, no drama, no collapse.
    As you say: Crisis averted.

  702. Soul Pucker January 26, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    asoka wrote: “Yes, in addition to being a decorated combat veteran, I am also a scientist who relies upon empirical evidence and peer-reviewed science. I am large. I contain multitudes.”
    Do you remember the opening scene in the movie “Rambo III” where Rambo is the ass-kicking, celebate Buddhist Monk living in the Buddhist temple in Thailand? Rambo earns extra money for the temple by kicking ass in paid fights in Bangkok.

  703. Collapse Watch January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    Didn’t Rambo die of Pancreatic Cancer at the end of that? If not, he should have. It would have been fitting.

  704. asoka.. January 26, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    Why? Did Rambo eat a lot of meat and other animal products, as well as a lot of (refined) cereals and sugars, like you?

  705. longaeva January 26, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    “All Nationalists were White Nationalists back then.”
    They were also anti-Roman (Catholic). There’s a good reason for that. But somehow this fact and the reason for this fact seems to escape you.
    You are too emotionally invested to see the truth. Hitler was a Jesuit and a tool of the Vatican. Same with Stalin and Roosevelt. Vatican tools used to destroy the Protestant Reformation (and white nationalism) to reinstate old Roman imperialism, aka, NEW WORLD ORDER.

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  706. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 12:54 am #

    Welcome back, Mika!

  707. Radu Voda January 27, 2013 at 3:26 am #

    Tell them about the armed schools of Israel. Here’s another Mensch, David Mamet, defending the Constitution. Together, Jew and Gentile, we will take this country back from the Fascist Communists.
    (There is no such thing as Fascist Communism but it sounds good and sends the right message)
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/01/28/gun-laws-and-the-fools-of-chelm-by-david-mamet.html

  708. nameta9 January 27, 2013 at 7:32 am #

    Origins of the Growth Myth
    The Growth myth comes from the Investment myth, the idea that you have to put money somewhere and it has to grow automatically without you having to do anything, automatic creation of wealth, and this indeed works in “Expanding Markets”, by making profits by selling more stuff, rapidly selling loads of things, mass production, like the Apple model, saturate the world with smartphones, growing markets, more things sold, more profits, the growth occurs (although you need an entire planet now to achieve the scales of growth money needs to satisfy the greed of investors, their comic book view of the world where things keep on going up forever).
    But obviously there are real structural limits to this model no matter what: how many more cars and houses (where the real growth occurs and where the real economy kicks in creating at least some “jobs”) can be built (ask Spain…) ? how many more things ? how many things can we even use in the end ? so obviously markets saturate much faster today than they did some decades ago when the great Growth Myth appeared as a law of physics, an invariant, etc. because work today is optimized, “competitive”, “way too productive to know what to do with itself” (even including loads of idle time, office politics, and people spinning wheels thanks to technology etc.), way too “competitive” and flexible and so forth (thanks to the myths of all of these concepts imposed on the workers worldwide and the corporations, etc. they have huge excess capacity, huge economies of scale, can rapidly saturate any market with anything, can rapidly put to work millions and achieve a huge output, but by doing so kill off loads of future work for years on end).
    So there are real structural limits to Economic Growth no matter how much investors want it, the Standard Economic Model Chants about it (all based on their simple numbers, profits, money must make a profit automatically, they don’t look at anything real on the ground, the growth myth is tied into the Investment Myth and they are all oblivious to what really happens on the ground, they all live in a comic book world, etc.). And there are other limits: it is much easier for a society to stagnate, to not grow anymore once it has achieved a given standard of living than to grow no matter what, the society becomes rigid automatically, interests have to protect themselves, close all the doors to change (just look at real estate prices going sky high in all developed countries and look at that as a wall which any new kid starting to work can no longer ever hope to climb and such). And most technological novelties that could be associated with real growth and job creation have been played out, have been done, now there are very few really new job creating technologies left, all has been done, the great growth engine and job creating engines of the 20th century have finished delivering, nothing today really creates many jobs no matter how many times the economists want to blame workers, the laws, the moral faults of anyone and everyone according to a comic book view of the world, etc. Of course, companies will still hire thousands of people and invent all kinds of essentially fake work, making people spin their wheels, like Microsoft programming windows over and over again for 20 years and such, but essentially real work is finishing, is no longer necessary, etc.
    Especially when they all talk about jobs: they just talk about the surrounding conditions about the “Jobs”, this imaginary myth, this comic book representation of an activity that isn’t there anymore, isn’t needed, etc. They talk about it abstractly and never really ask what jobs are really needed (what on earth are people going to do for 8 hours a day, what input -> manipulation -> output tasks will they do for 8 hours of day that is worthwhile, that creates a “profit”, impossible to imagine, especially as so many things don’t produce profits but loses and especially since the value of things today are arbitrarily established by fashion, by random, by random judgements and will powers that have no value at all, random behaviors like everyone buying smartphones, something totally useless, just fun and games with no reality, no real need behind them and such), what can really absorb millions of workers etc. No one ever asks what jobs will there be, what jobs are we talking about, etc: The jobs, creating “jobs”, no one even knows what they are talking about, no one ever talks about the contents of words, just imaginary worlds where jobs appear because someone pays less taxes and so forth, never looking at what happens on the ground and such: well jobs are no longer needed, and jobs can be done anywhere in the world, etc. Apple hobby programmers created them 100,000 Apps for Apple for free, without Apple needing to hire them or pay them, this is the reality of “jobs” today (and in fact they also rapidly saturated the Apps space, now all the Apps you could have ever imagined have been produced by themselves, rapidly, things get rapidly saturated in a few years and such), and this too will limit growth, (so you really think the Chinese can keep on buying 10 million cars a year ? in their tight cities without parking space, traffic jams etc, ? no one has a country designed for cars like the USA, the only country that really did grow and from which the growth myth originated from, but the USA was a continent, wide spaces, wide roads, large homes, two car garages and so forth), the mythical economic growth everyone expects to keep on going on, when in all truth, even if you do have growth it will rapidly saturate and end fast, ever longer spans of time with zero growth or recession and a few years of growth rapidly saturating all and ever so.
    The growth myth is over, now you have to force growth and production and consumption by giving out free salaries to all, cheap rents, huge public private projects and so forth.
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  709. nameta9 January 27, 2013 at 8:23 am #

    From:
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    Postby nameta9 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:12 pm
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    So I Suck. Now what ? Can you actually reply with something more than a one liner ? actually very few even know how to reply with anything more than a one liner to my posts.
    Check Out:
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  710. nameta9 January 27, 2013 at 8:25 am #

    and
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
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  711. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 9:17 am #

    Since asoka.. is so concerned about Pancreatic Cancer, and he is so fond of The Affordable Healthcare Act, maybe he can show us where those who eat a Non-Fruitarian diet are charged double on their insurance premiums for living unhealthy lifestyles and putting an unnecessary burden on the healthcare system. We’re waiting Smart Guy. Also, maybe he can explain how Michelle Obama is built like a linebacker on a diet of fruits and nuts without going all Jimmy The Greek on us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVjE_WE5HDQ

  712. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    Good point. Since Rambo was trying to change his ways, they may have had him on a diet of Alfalfa Sprouts and Yogurt at the Monastery. Of course, it might have been too late….the damage was done, but at least he tried. How about fish? Is fish alright to eat. I know meat is forbidden, but I didn’t see anything about fish.
    Also, if “they” can put a Man On The Moon, and conjure the Hydrogen Economy, surely they can find a way to perform successful Pancreas Transplants. Maybe “they” can grow new pancreases from stem cells in the sides of living pigs. Doesn’t the empirically-tested and peer-reviewed science suggest that this is a strong possibility if only we have the political will?

  713. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    Truth is, Collapse Watch, no one has actually died in the United States as a consequence of a nuclear power accident, while coal kills more than 14,000 people a year (mainly through particulate pollution).
    In terms of worldwide mortality rates, nuclear is scary, but it kills fewer people per watt of power than coal, oil, and even solar. (People fall off rooftops when installing solar panels.)
    Chernobyl, the worst nuclear accident in history, though it killed many people at the time, has had surprisingly limited long-term effects, according to scientists. Perhaps, like many people, I picture Chernobyl as Hell on earth—but animals and people are actually living there again, and the radiation is at merely background levels.
    It’s a question of alternatives. There is a new breed of scientists and environmental activists, Collapse Watch, who were once ardent foes of nuclear power, but now think there is no better option. Greens are all against fossil fuels, but the new breed think that pinning our our hopes entirely on wind and solar actually increases our dependence of such environmentally devastating energy sources. Everyone loves the idea that we could just install more efficient light bulbs and live off windmills and solar panels, but that’s a dangerous fantasy, one that makes us blind to the hard choices we face.
    The fact is that even after decades of subsidized investment and building, even the United States, which has invested in wind and solar heavily, still relies on those sources for just 3.6 percent of our power needs. Meanwhile, in China, India, and Brazil, where demand is growing fastest, the wind and solar option is basically off the table. It’s going to be fossil or nuclear: There is no other choice.
    The fossil fuel industry loves solar and wind because it knows they will never pose a serious threat to the supremacy of oil and coal.
    The bottom line is, if we care about climate change, we have to surrender the fantasy that solar and wind are going to solve our needs.

  714. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 9:46 am #

    The role of science is to meet our greatest fears with actual data.
    Tomatoes were once thought poisonous, and doctors once believed it was wrong to treat illness by cutting open the human body. Our fear of nuclear power has gone too far.

  715. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    Won’t argue with you about that. Nuclear is actually quite harmless. Propaganda about it has made people afraid. Hoover said “a chicken in every pot.” To borrow from that famous quote, it should now read, “a nuke in every pot.” In fact, this whole debate about nuclear waste is a Red Herring. Nuclear waste is perfectly harmless. In keeping with your Frugivore Theory, nuclear waste should be used to fertilize fruit and vegetable crops. Think of it. We could grow squash the size of a 1975 Lincoln Town Car. You’re a bold and innovative thinker, asoka… People don’t appreciate you enough. I don’t understand their ridiculing stance toward you.
    In fact, I believe the White House should lead by example, and fertilize the White House garden with nuclear waste from Fukushima instead of sludge from New York City’s waste water treatment plants.
    http://vimeo.com/20995501

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  716. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:29 am #

    The journalist Josh Rothman once wrote a lovely description of what a cloud really is: not an entity, as we perceive it, but just a region of space that’s cooler than the regions around it, so that water vapor entering it condenses from the cold, then evaporates again as it drifts back out. A cloud is no more a thing, Rothman concluded, than “the pool of light a flashlight makes as you shine it around a dark room.” And the self, the Buddhists would say, is no more a thing than a region of air with thoughts passing through.
    SOURCE: The Self in Self-Help
    http://nymag.com/health/self-help/2013/schulz-self-searching/

  717. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    You’re a bold and innovative thinker, asoka..
    ===========
    No, I am a bold and not-so-innovative cut-and-paste artist. I have no original thoughts. I don’t even know how to think. I don’t even know what thinking is. I know nothing, except how little I know.

  718. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    So true…so true. And the same can be said for that dump you took this morning. So why did you bother to use a toilet when your pants would have sufficed since that crap is no more a thing than that 1975 Lincoln Town Car, or the squash fertilized with Fukushima nuclear waste?

  719. ozone January 27, 2013 at 10:37 am #

    Cw,
    I can see you’re having fun ridiculing the paid serial liar (it’s always around, so why not). After “jobs” like his go away, will a tangled web of deceit be a good way to secure a living? I’m sure folks will forgive him for just following orders. I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before; something about WWII? (History stuff is so old, and that thinking is so hard; let’s not think about it, okay?)
    Yep, if nuclear waste is so benign, then those who are on the boards of nuclear power producers should all store some in their back yards to prove it. If they’ve got a pool, that would be a nice spot for a couple dozen glowing barrels.
    Let’s start with these fine folks! (No, not the ones in the picture, those are just disposable worker bees.)
    http://www.entergy.com/about_entergy/leadership/board.aspx
    “Hey, sweetie, it’s such a nice day; let’s have lunch out by the pool.”

  720. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    You and CW are probably thinking of uranium as a fuel source. Uranium has serious waste issues. But, by using thorium in a fluoride reactor rather than uranium in a solid-oxide reactor, it is possible to REDUCE the amount of transuranic material generated by a very large factor. These problems are not intractable.
    It is possible by using thorium to REDUCE the generation of transuranic actinides, REUSE thorium and uranium fuel in a way that allows for complete consumption of the energy resources, and RECYCLE three of the most common fission products into economically useful and even life-saving applications.
    The thorium-fueled liquid fluoride reactor is worthy of significant further attention, investigation, and funding based on these and many other merits.
    REDUCE, RECYCLE, REUSE … go, thorium.
    Glad you are having fun. Back to you.

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  721. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 10:52 am #

    I’m sure folks will forgive him for just following orders. I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before; something about WWII? (History stuff is so old, and that thinking is so hard; let’s not think about it, okay?)

    No, “they” should never be forgiven. There can be no moving on until Justice is carried out. Whilst “their” law is still in effect, “they” are untouchable. If you try to touch “them,” you will be sent to jail and brutally raped up the ass until you can no longer hold your bowels. But, a time will come, and it may be sooner than many think or realize, when the law will break down, and “those” who shielded “themselves” from reproach with it, will be subject to REAL JUSTICE. At that time, “they” should be commandeered before a People’s Court and made to answer for their transgressions. And no, we’re not talking about some two-bit Nazi or Communist Kangaroo Court. We’re talking a REAL COURT. “They’ll” have a chance to explain “themselves,” but this time, “they” won’t have a partial judicial system to protect “them” from accountability and responsibility. A “book” should be fashioned by a cooperative of people known as the “Supreme Exchange.” That “book” should contain the names and identities of all “those” who must answer for “their” crimes when “their” law no longer applies. There must be atonement for the wrongs that have been done, and that includes the wrong of “blaming the victims.”
    In that “book,” as an example, should be the names of the Board of Directors of Entergy that you have provided. So too, it should contain the names and identities of all those who have given investment advice and considered themselves Investment Advisors. If “they” have lists, then so too should “we” have lists.

  722. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    Yes, Thorium is the way to go.

    But, by using thorium in a fluoride reactor rather than uranium in a solid-oxide reactor, it is possible to REDUCE the amount of transuranic material generated by a very large factor.

    And, that small amount of transuranic material that is produced can be injected into municipal potable water systems to help reduce the incidence of pancreatic cancer, thus allowing The Masses to have their meat, and eat it, too.
    This is so easy if only we had the political will.

  723. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    A “book” should be fashioned by a cooperative of people known as the “Supreme Exchange.”
    ==========
    You have your supreme exchange book and your mob of screaming people. What are they screaming at Asoka? “Throw the book at him!”
    It’s boring being a government stooge on the CFN watch.

  724. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    You have your supreme exchange book and your mob of screaming people.

    It’s not about “me.” There is no “you” and “your.” There is no “mob” and there will be no “screaming.” It will be conducted in a calm and reasoned manner….just like science is conducted. Devoid of any kind of human emotion. It will be pure objectivity. At least, that’s the way it appeared in the dream.

  725. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    If it wasn’t my job to read your drivel (I can’t scroll past like you civilians can) … I swear Fort Carson is looking better every day.

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  726. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    just like science is conducted. Devoid of any kind of human emotion.
    ===========
    Seems you have never done any actual science, or you wouldn’t make that statement.

  727. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

    I swear Fort Carson is looking better every day.

    Fort Carson? What about Fort Huachuca? Oh wait, that’s already represented.

  728. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Seems you have never done any actual science, or you wouldn’t make that statement.

    Maybe I haven’t, but I did stay at a holiday Inn Express last night. And, today I’m making Swedish Meatballs. That’s right, Pancreatic Cancer served with a delightful cream sauce served over a bed of refined egg noodles. However, I will throw you a bone and will be serving peas seasoned lightly with salt, pepper and a tablespoon of butter.

  729. ozone January 27, 2013 at 12:20 pm #

    A little way down the rabbit hole that is Entergy’s hidey-place (from 2008):
    http://vermontdailybriefing.com/?p=938
    So tiresome, these insignificant details from soooo looooong ago. -sigh- [suddenly brightening] More tea?

  730. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    Is fish alright to eat.
    ==========
    Allow me to poll the readership here. Which sounds more correct to your ear?:
    Is fish alright to eat?
    Are fish alright to eat?
    Note CW, I am NOT gigging you for not using a question mark, although I could.

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  731. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Excellent sleuthing, ozone. There are so many countless examples of how this Game is played. The point of the Game (Hungry, anyone?) is to own the coin and play both sides. As your article adroitly highlights, that is precisely what Hill & Billary did with Entergy. People will believe anything. They actually believe Hill & Billary are “Liberals,” or “Socialists,” or “Communists.” They are nothing of the sort, as that deceptive and cunning Rush Blowjob would have us believe. The Clintons and the Lush Rimjobs (Rush Limbo) of the world are on the same team, and that team owns the coin and plays both sides of it. And the throngs of dolts eat this shit up every day, 24/7.
    ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

    Rush Limbaugh explains his success as the result of his individualism, of his refusal to do it someone’s else’s way. But the fact is that his success has been orchestrated, financed and promoted by Capital Cities/ABC. He also seems extraordinarily well-connected to the Republican leadership in Washington, carrying out their campaign strategies so faithfully that it is difficult to distinguish his promotions from their campaign commercials. For example, when Rush’s television show debuted nationally two months before the 92 election, his producer was Roger Ailes, who was Bush’s media advisor throughout the campaign. Many of the themes that Ailes had inspired earlier in the campaign showed up in identical form on Rush’s show, which resembled a program-length commercial for the Bush campaign. When asked to give equal time to his opponents, Rush responded “I am equal time!”
    In 1994, not only the Rush Limbaugh Show, but hundreds of other conservative talk shows dutifully raised the issues that Newt Gingrich’s Contract Information Center faxed to them each morning about the Contract With America. Many went so far as to read them verbatim over the air. And when the Republicans captured Congress in 1994, they held a ceremony in honor of Limbaugh, naming him “an honorary member of Congress” and “the Majority Maker.” That night, the conservative propaganda machine had reached its full potential.

  732. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 12:42 pm #

    Alright, I’m busted. I blame it on watching that Barbara Billingsley Jive-Talk Youtube clip. I promise to be more careful. It’s just that there’s so much to say, and so little time to say it. Haste makes waste, as they say…and watching Youtube clips turns the mind to mush.

  733. ozone January 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    Why, that’s an easy one!
    It should read: “Am’in them fishies alrighty to gobble okay?”
    A good primer from the koi pond:
    ‘A-B C D goldfish?
    M’N R no goldfish.
    O, S A R! C M?
    (No thanks necessary; happy to help. ;o)

  734. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    Truth be known, what I meant to say, but couldn’t find the words at the moment, was…
    Luca Brasi Sleeps with the Fishes
    One of the best Garrote Scenes in Cinema ever. Luca was a Big Boy.

  735. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    turns the mind to mush.
    ===========
    Have you noticed that mush rhymes with Rush (as in Limbaugh) but not with Bush (as in W)? Can you imagine the difficulty of learning English as a second language?

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  736. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Yes, English is a ridiculous language. Although, certain dialects in the U.S. come close to pronouncing Bush so that it rhymes with mush, lush, and Rush. The CIA has a highly successful language immersion program that allows its operatives to learn a local language in a few short months to the point they exemplify it better than the locals. IMO, that’s a little too obvious.
    If I was a Corleone (Andolini, really), I would have said:
    Are fishes alright to eat?
    The “is” would have been precluded, and not used at all.

  737. Jam47 January 27, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    If you’re going to eat meat, it would be a good idea to eat the low-fat kind. Otherwise, you may find yourself, once you’re past fifty, somewhat stupider than when you were young.
    High-fat meat clogs the arteries. Clogged arteries diminish the brain’s oxygen supply. The less oxygen the brain receives, the less well it works. And there’s always the possibility of a chunk of atherosclerotic plaque breaking lose and causing a stroke.
    Pesticides, solvents, growth hormones, and antibiotics are lipophilic, which means that they like hanging out in fat tissue. When you eat meat that isn’t de-fatted–which meat most people don’t like because it’s tasteless–you’re eating all of these. These substances are not only bad for your brain, they’re also carcinogenic.
    Actually, if you’re going to eat meat and don’t want to suffer its ill effects on your health, your best bet would be to transfer yourself to pre-agricultural times. Back then, not only was meat pollution-free, but since it was game meat, it wasn’t as fatty as meat nowadays, which is mostly farm meat. Additionally, even if it had sufficient fat in it to clog your arteries, you’d be dead before your arterial disease had reached the stage where it could begin to enfeeble you. People died earlier then.
    Here’s the solution to our health problems: die at fifty. If you’re lucky and have nature on your side, fifty years is long enough for you to do what you want to get done.

  738. k-dog January 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Yep, if nuclear waste is so benign, then those who are on the boards of nuclear power producers should all store some in their back yards to prove it.
    Not really necessary. I watched this one recently. In it John Smitherman is shown. The movie starts out without showing his whole body but as the story develops effects of radiation poisoning are revealed.
    I’m convinced, radiation poisoning is bad, really bad. My narrow dog brain requires no more proof.
    Netflix.
    As far as “I was just following orders” goes this has always been an interesting statement to me.
    How about someone saying:
    We know you were just following orders. You wanted to fit in and advance your career so badly that you ignored every moral impulse that crossed your mind and justified every horrific thing you did without a blink. We understand you were just following orders and now you will be going to prison forever. Orders say that’s how its got to be.
    I heard the ‘mimimum’ for vehicular homicide in my state went up on the radio yesterday. Even death by total accident requires justice. How can ‘just following orders’ ever be an excuse.
    My question is:
    Why was this excuse ever given consideration at all? Only victims should be able to consider the merits of such a spineless empty merit-less excuse and they’re gone.
    I think Kyooshtik taught me to use hypenated words correctly this week. Merit-less instead of ‘meritless’.

  739. k-dog January 27, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    “The less oxygen the brain receives, the less well it works.”
    And because it does, regular exercise does more to improve brain function than doing a pile of brain teasers or crossword puzzles. I learned that fact a couple of years ago and while it makes good sense now it was quite a counter-intuitive idea for me at first.

  740. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    The CIA has a highly successful language immersion program that allows its operatives to learn a local language in a few short months to the point they exemplify it better than the locals.
    ===========
    I assume you are speaking of a program where a born and raised American learns a foreign language and is able to speak it without an accent perceptible to a local of that foreign country?
    Or are you saying the CIA can teach a born and bred American possessing one particular regional accent to speak convincingly with a different American regional accent? This would be right up Ozone’s alley.
    For a couple of years one of my carpool mates was a young guy who had come out of the Air Force (OSI) where he had been trained at a Govt language school in Monterrey, CA to speak Vietnamese. This guy was around 6′ tall and very blond with blue eyes. He amused us with a tale of going to a park in Monterrey where there was a fountain/pool. An Asian family whom he detected were Vietnamese (once he approached close enough to hear them speak) were plucking snails from the walls of the pool (presumably to make a meal of) and once the easy to reach snails had been gathered they took off their shoes, rolled up their pants, and began wading further into the pool. A cop yelled at them to get out of the pool, it wasn’t allowed, etc. They spoke little English, didn’t understand and were frightened. My blond co-worker (dressed in civilian clothes, BTW) came closer and began to tell them (presumably in astonishingly good Vietnamese) that “the police officer says people are not allowed in the fountain pool and you must get out.” One thing lead to another and weeks later my blond co-worker made a date with the 19 year old daughter of this family. She explained to him that when he had begun to speak Vietnamese at the pool her family was gripped with fearful dissonance. Could this man somehow be a North Vietnamese agent sent to avenge some imagined crime in the old country?

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  741. Radu Voda January 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    Rush, Levin, Beck, Savage, the Judge, etc are all politically incorrect yet still on the air. This is permitted at least. Yet all of them are Racially Correct. All of them rave about what a Great American and Advocate of Capitalist Virtue Martin Luther King was. It’s grotesque, but instructive. Racial Incorrectness is not allowed. Limbaugh gets away with a bit of it because he is clever about it – and his ratings so huge. In any case, Race is the fundamental metaphor of America and the linchpin of the Establishment’s power.
    America is based on White Subjugation and Dispossesion in favor of minorities. And this is done by and large by other Whites taking their cue from the Masters who for the most part look White but don’t consider themselves such.

  742. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Here’s the solution to our health problems: die at fifty.

    Or, just don’t eat, drink or breath.
    Seriously, though, a viable solution to the issue of over-population without addressing the root of over-population is a Logan’s Run approach, where people are euthanized ceremoniously at age thirty. It’s that, or the Crematoriums. I don’t know about you, but the Pagan-like ceremony seems preferable to the Crematorium…unless, of course, the Crematorium comes equipped with the latest largest size flat-screen and free i-phone and internet connection……like Sol’s death in Soylent Green.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUAAKFLoL0

  743. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    I assume you are speaking of a program where a born and raised American learns a foreign language and is able to speak it without an accent perceptible to a local of that foreign country?
    Or are you saying the CIA can teach a born and bred American possessing one particular regional accent to speak convincingly with a different American regional accent? This would be right up Ozone’s alley.

    Actually, I was just making shit up. I didn’t know any such thing existed, but I’m not surprised it does.

  744. Radu Voda January 27, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    That’s both true and false. It depends on how much radiation, over what length of time, and what kinds. The idea of radiation being utterly deadly was promulgated in order to end Civil Defense. In other words, the Elite stopped caring about the American People and didn’t want the expense anymore. Think they have their own places to go maybe? In contrast, Switzerland has shelter for all its population. And the Militia will be ready to come out of their shelters ready to kick ass.
    Obviously many people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but many lived. Many of them have suffered horribly from cancer, etc. But others, farther out or protected, not so much or only for a few weeks or months. The body does have some capacity to recover from radiation. Iodine pills can help protect the glands and should kept in the house.
    It’s a complicated issue in any case. But I feel confident in my assertion that Civil Defense was valuable and its discontinuation, criminal and in tandem with the Fall of the America as a Republic.

  745. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

    Reading your posts is like watching the Incredible Montage Scene from The Parallax View. Perhaps that’s the point (since asoka.. is so concerned with there being a point). If so, job well done, sir. Keep up the good work.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNMi8fXi5Os

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  746. k-dog January 27, 2013 at 3:45 pm #

    The human brain denial circuit is activated when group solidarity is required. Then suspension of reason becomes patriotic as everyone gets stupid to fit in with the group and head in a common direction. I’m pretty sure the Human Oxytocin Mediated Empathy (HOME) circuit is involved.
    This is a follow up comment. If you followed the link I had there you know that I was reading The Moral Molecule. I finished.
    A fantastically great book. P4C would enjoy reading it, the effects of immigration are explained quite well. Zak and I are on the same page 95% of the time. He used science to get there.
    There is only one thing in the book that made me want to run and hide under the bed. It was on page 203/204.

    In 2011 a report came out arguing that keeping opportunity, and thereby trust, alive in this country isn’t just a virtuous idea for well-meaning people — it’s become a strategic necessity. And this analysis did not come from some softhearted, academic think tank. It came from a colonel in the Marines and a captain in the Navy, both officers on the staff of Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The United States, they maintained, can no longer afford to engage the world primarily through military force, and the only way to maintain our dominant position in the world, they said, is through the strength of our educational system and our social policies. According to these military strategists, our first priority should be “Intellectual capital and a sustainable infrastructure of education, health and social services to provide for the continuing growth of America’s youth.” Meanwhile, the Department of Defense has begun to put it’s money where its analysis is, funding research in neuroscience of social and moral capital, and I’m proud that my lab is one of those it’s chosen to support.

    Quoting from a paperback, one paw tapping one paw holding is hard.
    Excuse me if I shiver a bit and wonder if I have been part of this weeks experiment. I don’t want to be an experimental dog.
    Paul Zak
    Is the prime directive being violated?

  747. Bustin Jay January 27, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

    Aoksa said “The thorium-fueled liquid fluoride reactor is worthy of significant further attention, investigation, and funding based on these and many other merits.
    REDUCE, RECYCLE, REUSE … go, thorium.”
    Totally agree, but where is the leadership on this issue?

  748. Jam47 January 27, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    In Toronto’s cafe’s and subway cars, I often see older folk doing crossword puzzles. Some of them are working on crosswords for the sake of their brains. That’s what the media tells them to do. Solving crosswords, just like studying mathematics or learning a language, does make a difference, but the difference is slight. Preserving and improving brain-cell function involves more than doing brain gymnastics.
    Jam 47’s recipe for brain rejuvenation:
    (1) Rid your brain of toxins. This means taking regular saunas (the near infrared sauna is better than the ordinary dry-heat sauna, and red-bulb sauna is better than both). It means going on a fast twice or thrice a year. It means taking a liver support formula to help your liver do its toxin-clearing job. It means eating a nutritious diet that’s low in fat and high in fibre. And it means amalgam removal followed by chelation, pharmaceutical or natural. This last measure is much more complicated than the others. And it can be dangerous.
    (2) Do regular aerobic exercise.
    (3) Preserve artery health. The diet indicated above is the means. If you want to go all out, you can devote yourself to the China Diet–no nuts and no animal foods of any kind. The proponents of this diet (Caldwell Esselstyn, for instance) claim that it reverses arterial plaque.
    Now that I’ve gotten the schoolmarm stuff out of the way, here’s my main point: the most vicious injustice of the society we live in is that it encourages you to weaken your health and then makes it extremely difficult (economically and otherwise) to recover it.
    Yes, I know: since society is an abstraction, it can neither present you with difficulties nor encourage action. But sometimes it does seem like a living beast.

  749. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    Wasn’t Lush Rimjob (aka El Blimpo) addicted to Oxytocin? Wasn’t he getting it on the down-low from his illegal immigrant maid? Leave it to El Lushbo to practice what he preaches.
    http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/1/m/limbaugh_drugs_jail.jpg

  750. Radu Voda January 27, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    The breatharian Wiley Brooks was caught in a KFC.

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  751. Collapse Watch January 27, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

    We could also follow the regiment Radu follows and start our day with some……
    Nigga Please

  752. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    “REDUCE, RECYCLE, REUSE … go, thorium.”
    -ri-
    Totally agree, but where is the leadership on this issue? -bj-
    Bustin, you would think “leadership” would be brainstorming at 100’s of websites like this to get the message about thorium out – instead of trolling about how many people “it” could love.
    Oh well………..
    Now, my personal opinion about liquid halide reactors is that liquid halides would prove
    difficult/impossible to deal with on an on-going commercial basis.
    IOW, thorium reactors look great as “lab experiments,” but that, otherwise, this is an example of yet another technology that would be the salvation of humanity –
    if only it would scale.
    And that if it COULD scale, the time to be doing it was thirty years ago – and now we’re out of time and resources to do it.

  753. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    “For a couple of years one of my carpool mates was a young guy who had come out of the Air Force (OSI)”
    -k/q-
    Good story, K, snails and all.
    So did the OSI dude marry that chick and father a few AmerAsians?
    Vlad wants to know.

  754. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 7:19 pm #

    instead of trolling about how many people “it” could love.
    ============
    You are misquoting me again, P4C.
    I have never used the singular pronoun, always the plural.
    There is no limit to the number of people we can love.

  755. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 7:30 pm #

    Somebody linked this YouTube earlier in the week.
    It’s pretty funny, ‘specially from a CFN standpoint – sort of like a whole restaurant full of TooTsies would be.
    Except not one single person launched a “fucktard torpedo.” (tm Cash)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OZP_4sUs

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  756. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 7:40 pm #

    This is funny.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce-QT7MGSE
    And it was posted January 15, and already has over 25,000,000 views.
    So don’t tell me that the internet couldn’t be used to get a message out and change society – if only there were a message worth spreading.
    Picture all these NFL guys saying, “Thorium power with liquid sodium is completely safe.”
    “Yeah, clean, safe, infinite electricity!”
    “That’s what I’m talking about.”

  757. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

    Radu, do you think Srila Prabhupada intended any of his disciples to become diksa gurus? Or was that his unique addition to the ritvik philosophy?
    It seems to me that the main players in the ritvik field today are following the Krishna Kant “Final Order” philosophy and that philosophy was defeated by Rocana Prabhu many years ago.
    Would this be a way to get to your white separatist nation? What do you think, Radu?

  758. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    Maria Bamford explains global conflict (in 3 minutes)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PySL00gFwL8&feature=endscreen

  759. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    “There is no limit to the number of people we can love.”
    Thar she blows!!
    Another moral platitude.
    =========================
    And, all kidding aside, RI, have you got a website for your statement above. Every once I’ll put it in quotes and search google.
    But, so far, all my search results return to something called Cluster Fuck Nation.
    Strange, isn’t it.

  760. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    Truly – only 5 google hits, 4 to CFN, and ONE to a religious website that references Psalm 63.

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  761. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    Every once I’ll put it in quotes and search google.
    But, so far, all my search results return to something called Cluster Fuck Nation.
    Strange, isn’t it.
    ===========
    What are you doing? Do you think I am cutting and pasting? You are not giving me credit for my originality. But my paymasters at DoD do notice.
    3:33:33 dot dot

  762. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

    And, all kidding aside, RI
    ==============
    I take all your posts as kidding. I don’t believe you are really opposed to LEGAL immigration. You are just kidding.
    But, P4C, the time is coming soon when comprehensive immigration reform is going to get bipartisan support for legislation. They are about to make immigrants jump through hoops in order to normalize the status of the nation’s 11 million undocumented immigrants.
    Those with clean criminal records will be able to obtain legal “work permits” instead of just giving them citizenship outright.
    You can expect the legislators to endorse stricter border controls instead of opening the borders, and a better system for employers to verify the immigration status of workers.
    What should be done is grant illegal immigrants full citizenship immediately, without having to jump through hoops. That’s how it was for the white folks who came between 1830 and 1930.

  763. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 8:30 pm #

    If you are ready to disappear, I am already not there. I exist only in your mind. As far as my own existence is concerned it is not there. If you are ready to dissolve, suddenly you will become aware that you have dissolved into a nothingness; there is neither master nor disciple.
    –Osho

  764. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

    “…the time is coming soon when comprehensive immigration reform is going to get bipartisan support for legislation. They are about to make immigrants jump through hoops…”
    Well, if you are opposed to it, Soaker Hose, it must not be a completely bad thing.

  765. progress4conserving January 27, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    Mayday, Mayday, Mayday
    Osho agrees with Vlad and the Men’s Rights Movement
    “Ordinarily, women are not destructive. In the past they were never destructive because they were continuously pregnant. one child is born, then they are again pregnant; again another child is born and then again they are pregnant. For their whole life they used their energy.
    Now, for the first time in the world a new danger is arising, and that is the destructiveness of women. Because now there is no need for them to be pregnant continuously. In fact pregnancy is almost out of date. But the energy is there. I see a deep connection between birth control methods and the Women’s Liberation Movement. Women are becoming destructive and they are destroying family life, their relationships. They may be trying to rationalise it in many ways, but they are trying to be liberated from the slavery In fact it is a destructive phase.
    They have the energy and they don’t know what to do with it. The birth control methods have stopped their creative channelization. Now if some channels are not opened to them they will become very destructive. In the West the family life is almost gone. There is continual conflict, continual fighting, quarreling and being nasty to each other. And the reason is — and nobody understands what the reason is — a biological problem.”
    http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Shiva-Shakti/Why_Desructive_during_my_period.htm

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  766. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    We could also follow the regiment Radu follows and start our day with some……
    ===========
    No t on end CW, it’s:
    regimen – A prescribed course of medical treatment, way of life, or diet for the promotion or restoration of health.

  767. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

    You are distorting by selective quotation.
    Continue the quote P4C:
    “Now if some channels are not opened to them they will become very destructive. In the West the family life is almost gone. There is continual conflict, continual fighting, quarreling and being nasty to each other. And the reason is — and nobody understands what the reason is — a biological problem. So whenever you feel that the period is coming, be more alert, and before it starts, do wild dancing.
    The Ethiopian dance [group] will be helpful. You can go beyond nature because you have a higher nature also. One can go beyond biology, and one has to otherwise one is a slave to hormones! So whenever you feel destructive, start dancing. What I am saying is that dancing will absorb your energy.”
    –Osho

  768. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    So did the OSI dude marry that chick and father a few AmerAsians?
    =========
    No, I think he married a plain old white chick of Polish descent.

  769. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    Well, if you are opposed to it, Soaker Hose
    ================
    I am in favor of freedom of movement and open borders that allow freedom of movement. You want to restrict freedom.
    Which side of a border people live on does not reduce the global population and global population reduction is what is necessary, not restricting freedom.

  770. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    Osho agrees….
    ==========
    …at $7.99 a trade you can’t beat Scottrade. Check out the ads beneath the pictures of Osho at both links you posted (at least I assume that dude is Osho).

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  771. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    I’ll let you in on a little secret, Kyoo. Ads are different for every user of the internet, depending on your interestes and recent browsing history. You obviously are going to get Scotttrade ads. They don’t show up on my browser window. Don’t assume everyone is seeing what you are seeing as far as ads are concerned. A little free advice for my brother who worked 27 years as a bean counter in a DoD supported defense contractor. We are brothers in DoD.

  772. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 10:53 pm #

    at least I assume that dude is Osho
    ==============
    If you are ready to disappear, I am already not there. I exist only in your mind. As far as my own existence is concerned it is not there. If you are ready to dissolve, suddenly you will become aware that you have dissolved into a nothingness; there is neither master nor disciple.
    –Osho

  773. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    I love to see Gurus from eastern religions demonstrating what total capitalists they are at heart – running web sites and advertising, worrying about how many “hits” their site is getting, shit-canning their webmasters if they are not cutting it. Probably some are selling lines of silly T shirts. One of them might say “Yes, Osho pooped today but his poop don’t stink”.
    It would be like the AMA running Marlboro ads on their web site.

  774. k-dog January 27, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    Say,
    Agent Asoka !
    Could you help me bring this to Barack’s attention? He has such a nice smile that I’m sure he cares.
    Being that you have an ‘in’ with the government perhaps you could help a fellow clusterfucker out. You know team loyalty and all that.
    You do care about kids don’t you?
    List of children killed by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen
    Compiled from The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reports
    PAKISTAN
    Name | Age | Gender
    Noor Aziz | 8 | male
    Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
    Noor Syed | 8 | male
    Wajid Noor | 9 | male
    Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
    Ayeesha | 3 | female
    Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
    Shoaib | 8 | male
    Hayatullah KhaMohammad
    | 16 | male
    Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
    Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
    Maezol Khan | 8 | female
    Nasir Khan | male
    Naeem Khan | male
    Naeemullah | male
    Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
    Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
    Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
    Ziauddin | 16 | male
    Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
    Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
    Ilyas | 13 | male
    Sohail | 7 | male
    Asadullah | 9 | male
    khalilullah | 9 | male
    Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
    Khalid | 12 | male
    Saifullah | 9 | male
    Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
    Nawab | 17 | male
    Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
    Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
    Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
    Mohammad Yaas Khan
    | 16 | male
    Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
    Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
    Abdullah | 18 | male
    Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
    Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
    Shahbuddin | 15 | male
    Yahya Khan | 16 | male
    Rahatullah |17 | male
    Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
    Shahjehan | 15 | male
    Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
    Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
    Numair | 14 | male
    Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
    Ihsanullah | 16 | male
    Luqman | 12 | male
    Jannatullah | 13 | male
    Ismail | 12 | male
    Taseel Khan | 18 | male
    Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
    Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
    Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
    Alam Nabi | 11 | male
    Qari Abdul Karim
    | 19 | male
    Rahmatullah | 14 | male
    Abdus Samad | 17 | male
    Siraj | 16 | male
    Saeedullah | 17 | male
    Abdul Waris | 16 | male
    Darvesh | 13 | male
    Ameer Said | 15 | male
    Shaukat | 14 | male
    Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
    Salman | 12 | male
    Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
    Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
    Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
    Iftikhar | 17 | male
    Inayatullah | 15 | male
    Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
    Ihsanullah | 16 | male
    Luqman | 12 | male
    Jannatullah | 13 | male
    Ismail | 12 | male
    Abdul Waris | 16 | male
    Darvesh | 13 | male
    Ameer Said | 15 | male
    Shaukat | 14 | male
    Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
    Adnan | 16 | male
    Najibullah | 13 | male
    Naeemullah | 17 | male
    Hizbullah | 10 | male
    Kitab Gul | 12 | male
    Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
    Zabihullah | 16 | male
    Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
    Shabir | 15 | male
    Qari Sharifullah| 17 | male
    Shafiullah | 16 | male
    Nimatullah | 14 | male
    Shakirullah | 16 | male
    Talha | 8 | male
    YEMEN
    Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
    Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
    Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
    Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
    Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
    Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
    Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
    Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
    Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
    Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
    Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
    Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
    Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
    Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
    Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
    Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
    Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
    Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
    Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
    Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
    Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
    AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
    Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
    Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
    Nasser Salim | 19 | male
    Names are longer in YEMEN. Goes to show you. You learn something new every day.

  775. Kyooshtik January 27, 2013 at 11:12 pm #

    Ads are different for every user of the internet, depending on your interestes and recent browsing history.
    =========
    Oh wow, that’s even better. Osho doesn’t give shaktipat what ads his site is cranking out…maybe even Glock handguns. What kind of ads are showing up on your screen, Jerry Curl and adobe bricks?

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  776. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

    I love to see Gurus … running web sites and advertising, worrying about how many “hits” their site is getting, shit-canning their webmasters if they are not cutting it.
    ============
    LOL!
    Osho left his body in 1990, before web sites existed. You’ll be leaving your body behind soon, too, Kyoo.
    Osho did have an extremely small fleet of about 80 Rolls Royces. Nothing really, compared to the Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei, who is believed to have a private collection of around 500 Rolls-Royces.
    Osho was a guru for the 1% (even though his fleet of Rolls Royces was so tiny). Osho did not believe in poverty or hype about the spiritual value of poverty (“blessed are the poor”).
    Osho’s almost insignificant fleet of Rolls Royces got him lots of negative publicity and he loved that, because it kept people in the clusterfuck away; People who were solely focused on materialist concerns, not meditation; People who had preconceptions about “gurus” and who were bothered that a guru could have even a very small fleet of Rolls Royces.
    People who did not believe in freedom.

  777. asoka.. January 27, 2013 at 11:59 pm #

    What kind of ads are showing up on your screen
    =============
    What kind of ads are showing up on the DoD screens? You are seriously asking me that?
    I am not authorized to provide that information to civilians, even to a brother like you who formerly worked for DoD. You should know better. Maybe you were not telling the truth about working for a defense contractor?

  778. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    Osho’s almost insignificant fleet of Rolls Royces got him lots of negative publicity and he loved that, because it kept people in the clusterfuck away; People who were solely focused on materialist concerns, not meditation; People who had preconceptions about “gurus” and who were bothered that a guru could have even a very small fleet of Rolls Royces.
    People who did not believe in freedom.
    ===========
    I think I will recommend to Merriam Webster that in their next publication of a dictionary, following the definition of the word rationalization they include your paragraph above as an example.

  779. Kyooshtik January 28, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    Osho left his body in 1990, before web sites existed.
    ============
    Excellent succession planning. His acolytes were right there upholding the profit motive when the wonders of the internet came along. Kind of like Jeff Immelt taking over GE once Jack Welch stepped down. Is the Osho organization “public?” What’s their dividend yield?

  780. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 1:21 am #

    Oshos Wife, the true story.
    She moved on and is a good person.

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  781. Eleuthero5 January 28, 2013 at 3:40 am #

    THE GENESIS OF STAGFLATION
    ______________________________
    According to Keynes, stagflation should be an impossible economic phenomenon. Yet the 1970s are proof positive that it’s possible to have inflation with horrible unemployment and low-to-negative GDP growth.
    However, our future stagflation will not be like the 1970s when stagflation was the result of the artificial scarcity of oil. Stagflation this time around will be due to a fractured economy where many overproduced items (like tech toys, which is why I think now is a horrible time to invest in high tech) still deflate but DOMINANT costs like healthcare and college tuition and food are averaging 10-15% annual inflation.
    Grain stockpiles are at 50 year lows and this affects everything down the food chain. Look at the recent increases in milk prices. Even before the Midwest drought, world grain was at perilous lows. Now it’s even more dire. Higher prices for necessities (and if you have strep throat, don’t tell me a doctor isn’t a necessity) hurt much more than higher prices for frivolous things like plasma screen TVs.
    Eventually, businesses where there is oversupply (clothing and tech are the worst) will have massive business failures. Ironically, this actually feeds a stagflation because dead businesses represent an abrupt supply decrease of the goods they sell. Then all that money from QEinfinity will finally chase far fewer goods.
    So there you have it … stagflation will be caused by eventual business death of oversupplying businesses, inflation in necessities that are not frivolous expenditures, and, of course, a massive loss of confidence in Federal sovereign debt because our annual Debt/GDP ratio is now running at 10% which, strangely, makes us very close to Spain and Greece yet without the international alarm set off when those economies hit 10% and 12% Debt/GDP ratios.
    E.

  782. nameta9 January 28, 2013 at 6:02 am #

    ECONOMIC GROWTH EXPLAINED
    Actually, the contents of words must be considered carefully: the entire idea of “Growth”, the word “Growth” really means completely different things for an Economist – Politician – Bank – Corporation compared to what most people imagine it means: what “Economic Growth” really means and what is really desired is the Growth of Real Estate Prices and Home Prices so as to get a profit from Home prices and Home Rents always going up (while salaries go down, so much the better): the profit from property, not growth in terms of more wealth distributed to more people, this is never taken into account for the Economists, what counts is ever increasing Home Prices and Rents, ever increasing Real Estate Prices, ever increasing fixed costs, as this can be turned into profits, means growth of profits, they always really like to confuse people with all of these words and people buy into it easily, oh yeah, growth (and most growth in the end is mostly in real estate prices, values and rents, etc.) is good, that means there will be more jobs and such, when what they all really want is growth in Home Values, this is the great Independent Variable of the Economists that chant that Home Values going down is “Bad” while Home Values going up is “Good”: nothing more contorted and false ever has been dealt to the masses and they suck it up like little babies since they too can think they are “Rich” by having a property, a home whose values keeps on going up, this should make them feel rich and such, and they should then like to consume more and such BS, etc.
    But actually Home Prices and Values going down is what is really good for the Economy, is what frees resources for other things since so much money is no longer tied into the Iron Fist Grip of Property Posession and the High Walls the prices impose on the real flexibility of an Economy (not the fake flexibility of labor and labor laws they all like to chant about in Southern Europe, trying to hose their workers as much as possible, and in Southern Europe the Home Values never go down but always up but they lament the rigidity of their economies, why they don’t grow: how about collapsing those Home Values down really fast ?): low property values means people can easily rent homes anywhere at a low price compared to their puny salaries, offices can rent space at a low price, stores can rent space at a low price and these are all things that should be good for the Economy: but alas, it is all useless, the brainwashing has been achieved, the words twisted in their meanings, the people forever confused and nothing will ever change for the better.
    On a side note, societies will always tend to stagnate and remain fixed in the end economically, they just can’t grow past a certain limit since even selling 10 million cars a year in the USA, replacing a car evey ten years on a population of 100 million cars, means that just by keeping the values of sales constant (hence according to economists, a zero growth economy, a stagnation) always means that a very high level of production remains fixed structurally: it is the expectation of growth that defines economies as good and bad, but they never look at the absolute values of production and never realize how much they have grown, how large production already is, how high the standards of living have reached: but they impose this ideology that either you keep on growing or everything will fall apart, either up or down, either you are getting richer and richer or you will become poorer and poorer, the ideology imposes a false instability on a machine that naturally reaches a steady state equilibrium, that doesn’t really need to grow much anymore since it has achieved all the growth that it will ever need: look at the McMansions in the USA, they had all the houses they needed, they even had relatively low prices compared with the rest of the world (look at house prices in London, insane or Rome or Paris or Tokyo, those prices are so high it is insanity, but that is supposed to be good according to the economists, what a farce) but they needed to keep on growing so they built huge homes like McMansions all over the US (mostly the Southern States and Midwest, a lot less in the East Coast but anyways) and hiked up the prices and then gave out free moeny as subprime loans and you know the story.
    Anyways real Economic Growth, as understood and experienced in the 20th century in the USA, EU and JAPAN is over now, it won’t happen anymore (for example they all chant how bad off JAPAN is, since they stagnated (thanks to their own real estate bubble collapsing 20 years ago, all due to the myth of hiking up home values and prices, free wealth for all, what an idiotic thing to do!), but JAPAN has kept on having a hugely high standard of living compared to 90 % of the world, very few countries wil ever come close to their standards of living, but the Growth myth imposes that they are bad off since they didn’t keep on growing forever: what a comic book view of the world if ever, they never look at the absolute values of things, at how things appear not compared to before, but compared in general, absolutely, not always imposing this growth myth and trend for eveything), but it won’t happen especially since when real growth can no longer kick in, the only thing left to make growth occur is to hike up real estate values and prices and such: exactly the thing that ended the growth of JAPAN and hosed the USA and Spain recently.
    So Growth is mostly doomed for the following reasons in order of importance:
    1) High Home Values, Prices, Rents killing off all possible future growth, killing off the possibility of young kids being able to rent or buy, high home values and real estate values create a very high wall and freezes a situation where the economy becomes static especially for this, since interests must be protected, those that got rich during the good years of growth, must protect their wealth by keeping the values of real estate high, blocking any future growth of the economy, killing off all flexibility in the economy, and forcing it to become static and stagnate: the satus quo protects itself.
    2) A Technological Economy needs less and less work anyways, the work is too productive, can easily saturate markets with all kinds of goods.
    3) You can only produce so many new cars and homes, etc. only so much can be produced in the end no matter what, the economies will tend to a static steady state no matter what, it is very hard to keep on making a fully developed economy grow every year and in fact both JAPAN and the USA have been having a hard time growing, now all the spotlights are on the emerging markets, China, India, Brazil, since these are simply going from poor to rich, that is a case where it is very easy to grow, more people buying their first cars, TVs etc. and they are creating an expanding market and growth the economists and investors love, but this will end in a few years anyways, they shouldn’t fool themselves too much and already the high real estate value negative feedback loop on growth is already starting to kick in for those countries so watch out.
    4) Environment can only take so much, all circuits get saturated, traffic jams, crowds, energy limits, a population getting older and older, political conflicts freezing governments and so forth, huge past debts that must be paid, etc.
    5) That one time lucky combination of new inventions, technology at a certain level and so forth that the USA had (and after EU and JAPAN) during the 20th century creating the growth will never come back again: the Airline Industry was born, the car industry, the TV, the Computers, so many new inventions hiring millions of workers and then at that time there weren’t a billion new cheap workers avaiable in China India and Indonesia that can do your job and so forth.
    And especially all of the EU problems with the debts and all of the attention on wanting growth is because the debts were made with the expectation that the future economies would keep on growing and be able to cover the debts: nothing further from the truth, especially in the EU and especially in Spain, Italy, the negative feedaback loop of high real estate values and prices, high homes prices killed all future growth once and for all with no hope in sight of these values ever going back down again, the owners (80 % of the population) will prefer to starve than make their homes go down 90 %, what their real values should be.
    So the Economic Growth myth comes from the Investment Myth (money must make profit) and is imposed by the past Debts having to be paid back by an imaginary – comic book world of constant and never ending Economic Growth. If they really wanted that, then why don’t they all chant for huge deflation of all costs, and huge deflation of real estate values (values that are really independent variables imposed by what a country decides it wants its prices to be, it is all an internal fight in a society of owners against renters), one of the very few things that could get some growth kicking in again.
    But growth is doomed anyways, you may have 5 or 6 good years of 3 percent growth in the USA, EU and JAPAN but make no mistake, you will then get maybe another 8 years of zero growth and recession, and the cycle wil repeat for a few decades, ever longer amounts of time of zero to negative growth with only a few years of growth in between: the markets will become completely saturated, overproduction of homes and cars and all else will be achieved, the entire idea of Economic Growth is flawed from so many points of views it is not even funny.
    But the economists will always chant their same old BS, it is the workers fault, they are not flexible, there are too many public workers, governments should fire their workers, we need more innovation, more education, more training (and then training for what ? for what jobs ? who on earth knows ? no one ever says what all those unemployed must be trained for because no one knows or even cares to know since the contents of words are never really examined, only the ideological BS of the economists is stated, always talking about things abstractly, so you never really know what they are talking about) and so forth, they will find all kinds of excuses, all of the morality wrongs people do to blame why the economy doesn’t grow (and I dont’ care whether it is seen from left or right, the economists say that even the capitalists and banks are at fault, but it is always a game of finding who is morally at fault), the capitalists are hogging up too much cash, they don’t invest (and why should they ? with so little return from most endeavors, who cares), and so on, always trying to find someone to blame, someone who is doing something wrong, someone morally at fault.
    But it is not so, the economies can’t grow anymore structurally, no matter what you do, no matter how many government workers you fire, no matter what, the growth myth is just a myth, just because it happened in the 20th century doesn’t mean it is a law of physics, an invariant.
    And then the politicians promising growth, they will create jobs, they will create growth, all illusions to get voted, always making believe they can actually control something so vague, intractable and impossible to achieve as economic growth…
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  783. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 7:19 am #

    A little free advice for my brother who worked 27 years as a bean counter in a DoD supported defense contractor.

    Did he really? Oy Vey!! Where’s the “book.”
    nameta9, very astute observations and characterizations. Keep it coming. You’re one of the few that makes any kind of sense, and not coincidentally, you’re highly ignored.

  784. Collapse Watch January 28, 2013 at 7:27 am #

    Excellent succession planning.

    Jesus, please spare us this grating Corporate Speak. And what a joke that is. Succession Planning. Considering JHK’s dire message, Succession Planning has as much value, or maybe less value, as digging a hole and filling it in. Something Osho is quite skilled at, no doubt.
    All businesses are Going Concerns. This is why all public accountants who render opinions on financials are frauds of the highest degree if they don’t give the opinion of Going Concern on every audit they conduct. All business models at this point are failed business models and are only being kept alive by artificial life support. The current “economy” is a mockery of a travesty of a sham, of a travesty of a mockery.

  785. Jimmy Drinkwater January 28, 2013 at 7:36 am #

    asoka.. replied to comment from Collapse Watch | January 23, 2013 8:07 PM | Reply
    Blogging on CFN is hard work.
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    Finally, someone who understands.

    Hahahaha, now that’s funny in a ‘much ado about nothing’ sort of way, lol.

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  786. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 7:47 am #

    His acolytes were right there upholding the profit motive when the wonders of the internet came along.
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    And your point is what?
    You uphold the profit motive. You live for it. Is it immoral to make a profit? Or is it OK for you, but not for “spiritual” folk or gurus? You admit their shit stinks, but you balk at them having to eat and survive. They were able to make a profit, perhaps with more saavy than you. Like everyone else they used money as a means of exchange, but money was a means to facilitate meditation, not the end in itself. Is that to be criticized? Hmm…. The movement has only grown since Osho left his body, and the money paid for the Osho Meditation Resort in Pune.

  787. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 8:21 am #

    A politician named Strange lay dying. A friend asked him what he would like inscribed on his tombstone, “Just put,” said the politician: Here lies an honest politician.
    ‘But,’ said the friend,’that doesn’t tell who it is.’
    ‘Oh yes, replied the politician, the passer-by will say,’That is strange — a politician, and honest?’ — no need to say the name. Passers-by will by themselves say,’That is strange.’
    –Osho

  788. nameta9 January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    But alas the mistake is to think that there is any model; that a society or civilization or country or any group can behave “rationally”, can behave according to a model, like JHK’s model, or my own model or any model: the Man Brain is a totally unstable, intractable and unpredicatble machine, hence the civilization he creates, the customs and behaviors of a society or tribe is always a fluke, full of contradictions, quirks and problems and mythical solutions and religions (even if masked in another form, like the science of Economy and so forth): in short, there is no normal, there has never been any normal, or any correct way of functioning for a society, there is no correct and wrong. Any normal today can always be criticized and compared to an alternative normal and demonstrated as wrong or incorrect and so forth, and all past societies were the same and so all future societies, there is no normal and never will be, there are no solutions to a society and never will be and never has been, etc.
    All the debates and blocks of texts imply that something is wrong and there is a way to fix it, that we must return to “correct” and “normal” and so forth: but nothing further from the truth, there is no “correct” or “normal” or better or anything, only temporary fluke chocies, fluke decisions, fluke customs and behaviors a society self imposes upon itself, brainwashes itself to have as long as it can last, and then it will change again, a never ending stream of new normals, new corrects and so forth.
    What is right or wrong, what system is better or worse ? no one knows or will ever know, we just transit from system to system, from civilization types to other types with all possible contradictions operating and such.
    Anything can become a goal, no matter how far out, a society can impose itself as a goal to count all the rocks in a desert, or pick them up and move them just for no reason at all: the same kind of goal is imposed by declaring that Economies must grow, someone made up this task and all of a sudden that is the task that must be achieved and done and so forth: any other task can be invented and other normal and abnormal (normal is the high growth society, abnormal the low growth one and so forth) can be invented, defined and assigned and so forth. So the fact that the car tire isn’t blue is a problem, that must be fixed and so on, invent any imagined normal, declare the present state as sick or bad and then assign the task to fix it and assign yourself as being correct and knowing the truth since you have imposed that the car tire must be blue and so forth, the same with any other kinds of inventions of normal and not normal, goals and tasks, the sick society and healthy society and so forth (JHK’s example, small and local is better than big and global and so forth, all arbitrary aesthetical, artistic choices in the end).
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  789. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Agent Asoka?
    What do federal agents get on their tombstone?

  790. k-dog January 28, 2013 at 10:31 am #

    Ooops, question mark not required. It’s just,
    Agent Asoka.
    With a period.

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  791. asoka.. January 28, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    That’s easy…
    Here lies Agent Asoka, Resident Impediment, outed by K-Dog 3:33:33 dot dot

  792. jt foxx February 5, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    And where there is variety, there will be War – which is better than the absolute Peace of World Tyranny.
    Variety calls for morality – which means sacrafice. Are Jews on the West Bank willing to sacrafice their swimming pools so Palestinians can have a drink of water? I doubt it. So that’s war.
    I disagree. War is not necessarily better than a world of peace even through Tyranny. That’s just your typical idealistic thinking brought on because of media.jtfoxxlawsuits.com