Commitments and Obligations

Big_Bill January 21, 2013 at 9:44 am #

For a thoughtful conservatism — check out the Front Porch Republic website

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 9:45 am #

“legitimize the “undocumented” by shanghaiing them into the military (think: mercenaries),”

In ancient times this seems to be a recurring pattern of societies on their last legs. This is a canary in a coal mind if it happens. Not that we need one.

PRD January 21, 2013 at 9:45 am #

Yes, with regards to the maniacs—why is it always kindergartners or theatre-goers or people standing around in a parking lot??!! Aren’t there more deserving targets??!!
But as our military and political powers demonstrate, life is cheap, and even the youngest of innocents cannot escape the American killing machine. So why should some whacko with a gun?

manifestogr January 21, 2013 at 9:47 am #

The empire became too big not to fail

ffkling January 21, 2013 at 9:49 am #

For a well researched understanding for why the vocal flat earth society exists today despite the greatest access to libraries and information in the history of mankind, check out the following article in Seeking Alpha:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1101351-sense-and-nonsense-about-climate-change-what-do-investors-need-to-know

maineiac January 21, 2013 at 9:50 am #

One of your best posts in a while, Jim, and I particularly like your mature comments on the “undocumented” problem. As I explain it to people, the Inn is full. We simply cannot house or sustain any more people in a country with such a downward spiraling future.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 9:51 am #

We will lose control of the money system; we’ll go broke trying to keep up our oil supplies; the American public will get more economically desperate and angry; and pretty soon the practical matters of daily life will become rather harsh.

Which will cause many to whisper it would be all good if only he could have a third term.

Steve knox January 21, 2013 at 9:56 am #

Jim, as always you’ve hit the nail on the head. I am appalled at the people in high places who are convinced that the “system” is still sound, and just needs a little tweeking to get it back to normal. Our inability or unwillingness to see the big picture, and see the limits that are all around does not bode well. As we enter a crisis mode, the first thing we will lose is rational thinking, and let’s be candid, we are in a crisis.

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 9:56 am #

This is plainly not so, but it also reveals the tragic shortsightedness of even thoughtful conservatives

Like Bob Dylan? Per the following commercial, he sure looks like a Conservative, but looks can be deceiving. In the least, he’s surely a hypocrite. But, aren’t we all? Of course, some are more hypocritical than others, and Dylan ranks high on that scale, especially after doing this commercial. Here’s spitting at you, Bob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X3Bcmf3ckQ

Jimmy Drinkwater January 21, 2013 at 9:57 am #

Many of us around the country are hoping for a better outcome in the successful downscaling and re-localizing of American life, but those questions are just not in the arena. Hence, the arena itself will probably have to topple and crash before life is reorganized outside of where it used to stand.

True enough JHK and still, some of us around the country are pushing on through anyway knowing what is likely coming to pass. I’ve been building alt trans bikes for a number of years for folks and it ebbs and flows. When Katrina hit and gas went close to $5@gal it didn’t take long for people to become keenly interested. What’s happening now, even though fuel prices have leveled off, folks seem to be looking for any way to ease the strain on their wallets.
http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com/

Neon Vincent January 21, 2013 at 9:58 am #

Last week, I gave my lecture on economic schools of thought about the environment. One of those schools was ecological economics, which, as I tell my students, holds the scientifically sound but economically fringe idea that everything rests on the natural environment. Without the environment, there is no society and without society, there is no economy. It also thinks that the current system is not sustainable and should be replaced, not reformed. As my first example of an ecological economist, I used you as someone they would see later on during the semester. Your essay today exemplified that view, as there are three ways to replace the existing economic and social system, actively tear it down (not likely to happen), build an alternative and hope people come (Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms is trying this), or wait for it to collapse on its own and hope that the replacement develops organically. That’s exactly what you’ve been pointing towards and how you conclude today’s offering.
I’ve been neglecting collapse lately at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News. Instead, I’ve been writing at least a bit about how Detroit is moving to a more sustainable future by getting light rail built down Woodward Avenue. The people along the main street of the Motor City are looking forward to a transportation system that isn’t built around cars. Fancy that. I’ve also found some good renewable energy news and was led by the shiny object of the North American International Auto Show from trapeze artists to James Bond to the Golden Globes, which tied into the theme of last week’s post. As Barry Commoner would say, everything is connected to everything else.
I also blogged about today’s Inauguration. Consistent with my blogs theme of sustainability with a science fiction slant, the entry is about NASA’s role in the parade and other celebrations. The space agency is worried about contraction, but they’re still looking forward to more good times under Obama. I also blogged about the flu, finished my retrospective of 2012’s extreme weather with Hurricane Sandy, noted that one doomsday scenario, a collision with the asteroid Apophis, has been postponed, and discussed comment trolls. You know who you are here.
My wife and I are off to watch the Inauguration with some fellow Daily Kos members. I’ll imagine the light rail passing in front of our restaurant on Woodward while doing so.
Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

ZEKE_668 January 21, 2013 at 9:59 am #

Jim,
That’s why anyone with half a clue is stocking up on precious metals right now – and I mean lead and brass. Come to think of it – Homeland Security has been doing the same for the last two years.
This assclown in office is the most dangerous person to have held it in our nation’s history.

erikSF99 January 21, 2013 at 10:02 am #

Well, like all of us, I don’t wish anyone bad…but where are all those folks who have learned all that high-tech stuff we see in Mission Impossible or elsewhere and, now having been screwed by their own government–who hasn’t been?–go off and perform some mission to make an “impression”? You know, like retrieve every single internal email between Goldman Sachs and their GS counterparts in the Obama administration. Or suddenly transfer and distribute all of GS’s cash into each and every checking account in the U.S. Or reveal everything about the offshore banking accounts, or a list of the drug money and its sources laundered by the TBTF banks.
We have the strange but not persuasive “Anonymous” and that’s about it. Makes you wonder if that high-tech stuff really is only in the movies.

evilnaturedme January 21, 2013 at 10:02 am #

JHK has surprised me with the subject matter today , i assumed he would draw attention to the hostage situation at the gas plant and the impossibility of having perfect security for energy supplies in certain areas of the world.

John D. Wheeler January 21, 2013 at 10:04 am #

The sad part is, were we to tackle the task of rebuilding suburbia into something sustainable, that would provide a tremendous number of jobs now AND vast savings later. What is truly tragic is that candidate Hillary Clinton in 2008 actually proposed one step along that path, making all government buildings as energy efficient as possible.

Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:07 am #

The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
Denial is the standard American mantra.
Why does the state want our guns?
Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
Where is the rule of law?
Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption,

Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:07 am #

The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
Denial is the standard American mantra.
Why does the state want our guns?
Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
Where is the rule of law?
Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:08 am #

The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
Denial is the standard American mantra.
Why does the state want our guns?
Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
Where is the rule of law?
Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:08 am #

The ironies that surround us are overwhelming.
Denial is the standard American mantra.
Why does the state want our guns?
Why does TSA violate our Constitutional rights everyday?
Why do the elite get a pass on every issue?
Where is the rule of law?
Why does Alex Jones seem more and more like a legitimate commentator on our society? Yeah a lot of what he says is conspiracy theory, but a lot of it isn’t that far off from what you hear here or on Zerohedge or on Drudge,
Why do we see the continual degradation of the American Middle Class?
Add in Peak OIl and our total lack of preparedness for it!
All I see it a country slowing disintegrating, losing its way, losing it’s core principles. We slide into corruption.

KaraokeVox January 21, 2013 at 10:09 am #

I like the points about missing the bigger picture/targets.
The fact we know about all these mini-massacres is a product of our mass media’s attempts to push forth their political agenda. One has to be sympathetic for the president when reporters asked him where were you when all these other shootings happened. What would you have said? The truth? “I can’t be concerned with anything that doesn’t have a direct affect on my staying in office.” He’s no better than boehner. They are hand in hand with the ever contracting powerful elite. They need to keep people convinced they are important and needed because they’re smarter and write the checks. So when the press gives a horn to this and that whiner…the doctors write the prescription. Definitely a modern society problem that existed way before obama and will continue to exisr in various formulas into the future.
Cfn is about how we create our own neurosis and how people that should be level, should know better, are overtaken by their own grandiosity…the overall propulsion of events, trends and circumstances beyond their control.
So everyone is going to get whatever is coming to them in regards to life choices despite these other weird things going on with weather and point n click death culture.

MisterbadExample January 21, 2013 at 10:14 am #

Jim–your Monday blog is the first thing I read in the morning. That said– you state “Genial figure that he is, I don’t think President Obama has a clue where all this is heading.” I’m growing increasingly uncomfortable with that view. Mr. Obama knows exactly where this is heading and is giving lip service to busted bromides like ‘clean coal’ and ‘100 years of natural gas’ so that all those gun owners don’t notice the change in the air around them.
As someone watching the protests around the XL pipeline unfold, it seems clear to me that the president is trying to kick the can down the road as long as possible by pretending that we can drill and frack our way out of this. I’m of an age to remember 1973, when in the darkness (Daylight savings time re-imposed in late October as a result of the oil embargo)hundreds of cars waited in line for a few gallons of gas at the one local station that had some. This isn’t the knowledge of some octogenarian–plenty of commentators must remember the 70’s and the economic havoc wrought by suddenly-expensive energy. Am I the only one with a sense of deja vu? And is Obama’s only goal to keep a lid on things for as long as possible?

Treadreview January 21, 2013 at 10:15 am #

Sorry for the multiple posts!
Hope you don’t ban semi-automatic posts here!
Put they don’t look like assault posts.
On a different note, I suggest folk here read: Anti-fragility..the later Nassim Taleb book. Great reading!

newworld January 21, 2013 at 10:16 am #

Once the “Right” takes to open looting like black, hispanic politicians and most importantly their oligarch financiers (Geithner)the contraction will make the USSR’s look like a planned event.
Right now the conservatives are playing Ol’ Pa to the whiners of the left kiddy act, but can the monetary games pay for this extravagant theatre?

Monkeyboy January 21, 2013 at 10:18 am #

http://youtu.be/IipwQryubIE
The above link is one of the best peak oil “were so fucked” video’s ever… worth an hour, even if you know most of it already…
It’s called “There’s no tomorrow” totally animated, the cartoon of our self destruction.
Glad we’re back from the movies Jim!

erikSF99 January 21, 2013 at 10:18 am #

What JHK, perhaps, make me most think about is that, let’s say the whole Tesla-energy-from-the-universe concepts actually pans out. And everyone gets to run around forever in their electric cars…until the last rubber tree gives out and the last iron ore is mined. The whole suburban construct is still a landscape with no future. Happy Motoring was a time and place that is over and done–even if you can keep on motoring.
I lived for the longest time in the San Francisco Bay Area and lived near Berkeley. You know, Berkeley and Oakland, too, despite its reputation, have wonderful old residential neighborhoods. And bookstores and movie theatres and you can have a very pleasant life there. The only thing is, even there, every time you need to go somewhere you have to drive through ugliness, along ugly freeways or once nice boulevards lined with car repairs places and gas stations. And, of course, you have to drive.
To go to the local hill parks or go to the mountains you have to drive. To go to the ocean you have to drive. And 80% of what you pass along the way is ugly and awful. So you have to create a sort of memory suppression where the 4 hours walking in the hills were bracketed by 2 hours in the car. To survive you have to have a comfortable car, car stereo and zone out and pretend the little islands of beauty you are visiting are worth all the time maintaining your car, all the ‘lagoons’ of parking lots in shopping centers, all the driving through ugliness.
Or ignoring that one set of family friends is 35 miles away to the east and across a bridge in Marin, another is 20 miles away to the east in Walnut Creek, another is 60 miles away in San Jose with 8-10 lanes of traffic and one mega-mall after another as your sight-seeing along the way and it’s a pain in the neck to even manage to see each other on a regular basis.
Even with free energy and even in a pleasant place like the Oakland-Berkeley East Bay it still hardly qualifies as a place with a future. Because along with all the ugliness between those islands of beauty are the islands of poverty and anger so to get anywhere you have to drive by or through that sadness and black it out, knowing that if things have been bad there until now, what’s it gonna be like in the years to come.

Neon Vincent January 21, 2013 at 10:22 am #

Eh, I’ve seen worse glitches. Speaking of which, what was going on last week when the site was down for at what seemed like half an hour late Monday morning? That was frustrating!

cleve meater January 21, 2013 at 10:25 am #

Longtime reader but never posted before… I stumbled across a band this weekend that blew my mind.
They are called Arcade Fire, and listening to their album “Suburbs” reminded me of everything written here. In a way, it’s encouraging… People are waking up not just by reading insights here and other places on the Interwebs, but even by the alternative culture and music we are starting to listen to.
“Suburbs” is one of the most devastatingly poignant albums I have ever heard, and the messages fit well with what Kunstler writes here.
This sent shivers up my spine…
“So can you understand?
Why I want a daughter while I’m still young
I wanna hold her hand
And show her some beauty
Before all this damage is done”
Or the song “Sprawl II”…
“Living in the sprawl, dead shopping malls rise
Like mountains beyond mountains
And there’s no end in sight
I need the darkness, someone please cut the lights”
The entire album is a realization and recognition that we’re at the end game. Yes, it’s dark and deep, but in a strange way it’s encouraging.
When the collective rantings of us conspiracy nuts start spilling over into popular culture, I count that as progress.

popcine January 21, 2013 at 10:42 am #

What “professional ignoramuses”?
When’s the last time you saw someone on TV or in the press say they simply didn’t know, didn’t have the answers, and were looking for them?
Of course people in the real world talk like this, but never in the media. Any media. It’s an unwritten rule.
Wouldn’t it be great to have politicians come out and say they simply don’t understand? But that they’re still ready to take constructive steps one way or another.
So there is your proof of our inadequacy. Public figures lack the imagination to sense how much trouble we are in.

ront January 21, 2013 at 10:43 am #

Happy Martin Luther King Jr Day, Brothers and Sisters!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96d_CzrfxsM

Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 10:45 am #

I never thought I would live so long as to read someone like JHK admit that we need no more immigration. Dare we hope that he might yet come out in support of restoring American soveriegnty. As in, the way I think of it, one nation, one citizenship, one soveriegnty. No more dual citizenships and no more hyphenated Americans.
I think proposing a moratorium on immigration of a minimun of 5 years, ten would be better, would be the one issue which might gain the attention and support of idependents, moderate (former) Republicans and responsible (former) Democrats. I think it is the one issue which would give a new party enough leverage to force intransigent interest groups to negotiate.
For example: Israel and AOPAC, you want continuing support for your defense, then give up the fantasy of relocating the entire Palestinian people to the USA.
Hispanic Caucus, you want a path to citizenship for your young people, than stop the opposition to progressive farm legislation. We are no longer willing to have the poisoned products of agribiz and Big Food Processing shoved down our throats for the sake of an immigrant jobs program.

Poet January 21, 2013 at 10:48 am #

For me, the most poignant, damning, and paradoxical thing about today is the coincidental juxtaposition of the coronation of Obama and the Martin Luther King Jr. birthday celebration. If there is anything that more aptly pictures what the US once was and what we have allowed ourselves to become, this is it.

Say or think what you will about Dr. King, but in his day he was a force that stood four square against the tide of his times and said, along with the tens of thousands who followed him wherever he went) “business as usual cannot, must not, and will not continue”.

Today, to the adulation of tens of thousands, the US will hold the coronation of a well-trained, politically correct, Mr Kool Joey, President Barack Obama, whose mantra (along with all the rest of the political figures in the US) seems to be, “well, whatever!”.

This year also marks the 50th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, whose most outstanding and distinguishing characteristic while in office was his steadfast refusal to be trapped between the false paradigm of “either/or” and demanded more creative alternatives from his counselors than “the lesser of two evils” which has and continues to occupy the energies of all the politicians of the land to this day.

I know that JHK and most of the commentators on this blog feel differently, but for me the proximate cause of the demise of the US was and remains first and foremost a death of the imagination as pictured in the assassinations of the 60’s and the installation of this latest (in a long line that goes back unbroken for the past 50 years!) well-trained jack-ass of a president. How sad!

asoka,, January 21, 2013 at 10:52 am #

In honor of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday I’ve traveled to Atlanta this week to pay my respects.
Think I’ll go plant some watermelon seeds on his grave for starters.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 10:52 am #

” Many of us around the country are hoping for a better outcome in the successful downscaling and re-localizing of American life, but those questions are just not in the arena. Hence, the arena itself will probably have to topple and crash before life is reorganized outside of where it used to stand.”
-JHK
I also hold that hope, but in a small and quiet way that people do when they see a particular hope as an unlikely one.
I’ve been in the “Hell” bid’nez for quite some time now. That would be the abandonment of hope, most especially the false ones. (Example: Obama the Savior, ca.2008. That was an easy one; I checked his voting record and saw where his loyalties lay.)
Duh Pee-pull have been so indoctrinated and have sat on the cushy couch of ignorance and denial for so long that they no longer have even a half-assed clue as to what’s going on. This points directly to the forbidden plateau of: ain’t nobody gonna lift a finger (other than to power up the entertainment center) until everything falls down around their ears. Bringing us to the pleasant realms of Chaos or Totalitarianism; name your poison.
Precious metals of lead and brass indeed.

ront January 21, 2013 at 10:56 am #

There is a place where we can all come together–be together, but what a process it is to get it cleared out and stretched out. It all starts with opening the doors…
True Appreciation
by Jeff Wolverton
Some people keep all but their own family
outside their hearts.
Many will let others in,
but only a few invite
people into their hearts,
and even fewer in number are the lovers of God
who take others into their hearts
and never ask permission to do so.
Rarest of all are the saints and mystics,
who already have everyone
in their hearts.
That is why, when you meet them,
you feel they already know you
as you’ve always
known yourself.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:06 am #

I also hold the common-sensical opinion that ALL economy is based on natural resources/energy and the further manipulations of same for various useful products.
Anything else is simply a ruse, a flim-flam, a fraud, legerdemain, a trick, a con, a scheme. Witness the “claims to wealth” vs. the actual assets they’re lien-ed upon. It’s mostly vaporous.
You’ll notice this is kept well-hidden; little timmy git-near did his can-kickin’ and denial of “mark-to-market” job. little lew is next Bullshitter of the Treasury, so his job is to keep the secret scrolls hidden for as long as plausible deniability will allow.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:12 am #

Arcade Fire fan here too.
Scariest visions of dystopic realities put to music since Leonard Cohen.
Bravo. More wakeup calls needed.

progress4conserving January 21, 2013 at 11:13 am #

Excellent piece of work this week!
“one of the political tragedies of recent American history is the surrender of conservatism to religious hysterics, professional ignoramuses, military chauvinists, and flat-earthers.” -jhk-
Not to put to fine a point on it, but those folks aren’t at all “conservative,” as the term should be properly defined. The are, instead, members of voting blocks, to be corralled like jackasses at election time – and otherwise ignored.
“I suppose we’ll hear about immigration reform today. It will surely be some cockamamie proposal to legitimize the “undocumented” by shanghaiing them into the military (think: mercenaries), and otherwise keeping the welcome mat down for more newcomers waiting politely at the front door. This is insane, of course. The USA needs to reduce its population consistent with the tremendous economic contraction underway world-wide. There are too many people for the world to support and shifting them into this country from regions more rapidly affected by contraction is just dumb*…” -jhk-
Rarely do I want to improve your excellent word choice, but here I would suggest
“*screaming idiotic DEATHLY dumb!”
And here, JHK, we should blame “liberals” far more than conservatives. Most of the arguments in favor of high immigration levels are of the GROW, GROW conservative variety – that economic growth in the US will never ever stop.
“Liberals” should be about protecting the environment, or protecting the economic prospects of Native Born Black Americans from third world competition, or something, anything – to stop the US population growth before it’s too late.
But, sadly, that side of the political spectrum has sold out to pro-immigrant racism, or to no-longer-relevant moral platitudes of one sort on another.
There are excellent non-profits working hard to reduce immigration to lower levels.
NumbersUSA seems to be the best, in that is the largest, is rated in the top for funds management, and it even has the begrudging blessing of the SPLC for its even handed approach.
They have over one million members.
It’s time to join them. Let your voices be heard.

Jimmy Drinkwater January 21, 2013 at 11:20 am #

I also hold the common-sensical opinion that ALL economy is based on natural resources/energy and the further manipulations of same for various useful products.

Yes and I think we have to include in that human energy, “Economics As If People Mattered” to borrow from E F Schumacher, the value of one person toiling. Real prosperity is relating, not acquiring.

malthus January 21, 2013 at 11:21 am #

“This assclown in office is the most dangerous person to have held it in our nation’s history.” I would agree with you more if you would have said “in a long line of assclowns.” If anyone thinks that all that is needed is the right politician in the leadership role has their heads so far up their asses they never will see any daylight.

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 11:22 am #

It all boils down to this. People care too much. Say no to caring, and maybe, just maybe, some form of harmonious equilibrium can be re-established. But, don’t hold your breath. Caring isn’t relinquished readily.

Outpost of the Empire January 21, 2013 at 11:43 am #

Thoughtful conservative is an oxymoron in this outpost of the empire (Canada) too. Our present dear leader is in a mad rush to do a reverse version of Jack in the Beanstock. This time he is selling our magic beans (tar sand oil) for a steer. A Conservative icon from the not too distant past former Alberta Premier Lougheed suggested that a refinery with all it jobs be built in Alberta. The finished product is worth more and less problematic than shipping bitumen. In stead a mad rush is on to figure out the quickest way to ship the most bitumen out now for a pittance in royalties (environmental concerns be damned) to the potential successor to the present empire. (China)

GAZ January 21, 2013 at 11:47 am #

…”There are too many people for the world to support”…James, you hit the nail on the head. It’s THE problem that creates ALL the other ones in a closed finite system (planet Earth). One can only hope that Mother Nature will correct this problem eventually or probably Mankind will do it to itself, which it SOOOO deserves.
To me, most of Mankind is not worth saving anyway and every time I venture into the public realm my feelings are reinforced.
Off Topic: If the POTUS had any class, balls, sense of leading by example, he would have shitcaned this awesome spectacle of waste that is happening as I write this and tell the Amerikan sheeple he does not need worship he needs the people to man up and start spending money and time on things that matter, which is what he is going to do STARTING TODAY!
Oh well…that ain’t gonna’ happen. Sucks to be us.

And So it Goes January 21, 2013 at 11:47 am #

Monkey Boy,
Clicked on the link, watched the video.
Well worth the 35 minute viewing time…
Thank You…

ozone January 21, 2013 at 11:51 am #

I caution you not to think that because Mr. Kunstler should mention something that it’s imprinting itself on the national zeitgeist. I would posit that the exact opposite is true.

Smokyjoe January 21, 2013 at 11:55 am #

Maybe they are still sprawling in San Diego, but around here it’s infill and bringing life back to the city and inner suburbs.
That requires oil too, but at least it’s sustainable growth. JHK takes too dim a view of things.

sevenmmm January 21, 2013 at 11:55 am #

The conservatives are no more conservative than a mouse described as an elephant. And what they expect the future to be is like putting an elephant on a mouse diet and expecting the elephant to pull more weight. “Conservatives” are lunatics.
All I can say about guns is it is best to own one and know how to use it.

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 11:57 am #

…”There are too many people for the world to support”…James, you hit the nail on the head. It’s THE problem that creates ALL the other ones in a closed finite system (planet Earth).

Bullshit. It is not THE problem. It is a symptom of THE problem and it leads to yet other symptoms, but it is not the root.
The root is the answer to the question, why are there too many people for the world to support? You could eliminate 95% of the world’s population, and sure, you may mitigate some symptoms in the short-term, but in the long-term, since you haven’t plucked the roots, you will be facing the same predicament.
Considering that, chances are slim for a clean slate. It appears the planet may be fresh out of clean slates….at least clean slates for us humans.

GAZ January 21, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

WTF are you talking about?
Humans like to fuck but are no longer regulated by nature (for now) and stupid, lazy, ones used to die off, elimating there, stupid, lazy genes.
That root problem?

Josephhere January 21, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

It’d been useful if people had understood the implications of what Malthus was saying and basically stopped reproducing a long time ago. That would have slowed down economic growth and would have given more ecological room for each person to be prosperous.

Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

On immigration, I think Mr. Kunstler is late to the party, so to speak. I think “the zeitgeist”, if by that you mean non-ideological Americans who live outside of lefty enclaves, already figured out long ago that high immigration rates were pushing up housing, utility and transportation costs to levels where full time employed Americans could no longer afford to live with a modicum of decency and comfort in their own country. Our upper classes no longer make useful products; they collect rents, so they pushed for high legal and illegal immigration rates to keep their rents coming in.

asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

Conservatives engage in various forms of conspiracy theory always wanting to place the blame elsewhere: the communists, the ecologist tree huggers, the Blacks, the immigrants, the liberals, the gay agenda, the Mexicans, the radical Islamists, etc.
Conservatives are very prone to conspiracy theories.
For example, conservatives are not worried about climate change: that’s an Al Gore conspiracy. Conservatives are not concerned about peak oil: Biotic oil formation is a conspiracy. According to conservatives, oil is the product not of ancient microorganisms, but of a chemical reaction deep beneath the earth’s crust. So no matter what the JHK and CFN claim, we’ll never run out of oil–which means peak oil is a conspiracy of the oil companies to massively rip us off at the pump.
A little more about the abiotic oil theory conservatives embrace: Cold War Russian scientists looking for homegrown energy sources first came up with the idea of “abiotic oil.” (Abiotic: not from living organisms.) The theory was refined by a conservative, former Swift Boater Jerome Corsi, also the author of The Obama Nation. Corsi’s 2005 Black Cold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil posits that crude oil is an UNLIMITED resource.
So where is the oil, then? Like all the “drill baby drill” conservatives, Corsi says we need to look “where we have never looked–even deeper in the world’s seas.” Translation: offshore drilling.
Giora Proskurowski, a researcher at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, discovered small amounts of hydrocarbons forming through an abiotic process deep in the Atlantic. The conservative conspiracy theory abiotic oil believers have seized on his findings, even though Proskurowski says sorry – talk of bottomless, Saudi-free oil is “a pipe dream.”
It’s not just that conservatives wrongly focus on “entitlements,” ignoring suburbia and peak oil, it’s that they embrace a whole host of conspiracy theories to place the blame for our clusterfuck on “the other” instead of assuming responsibility for what their conservative values like wasteful militarism, immoral imperialism, and “greed is good” “free market” capitalism have created.

Jay Schiavone January 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

“…parking lots of Easthampton…”
In New Jersey, Corzine’s home state, the township is spelled Eastampton. If you’re referring to the wealthy enclave on Long Island, it is East Hampton.
And who is David McAlvaney? I suspect you mean McAlvany. You’re supposed to be a writer. And your tone is very condescending. If you are going to pontificate, at the very least, you should check your spelling.

mistified January 21, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

“Yes, with regards to the maniacs—why is it always kindergartners or theatre-goers or people standing around in a parking lot??!! ”
Because we declare those areas “gun free zones” and the loonies are drawn to them like flies to a porch light. It is that obvious. And that stupid of our officials.

sevenmmm January 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

Thanks.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

No, by zeitgeist, I mean the “spirit of the times” the “general feel” of the general population.
In this regard, I can assure you, the “average ‘murkin” knows little and understands less.
Therefore, my assertation that whatever Kunstler pronounces is being assiduously ignored by the general population and their “leaders” still holds. (Those who even bother to ruminate a bit on “the immigration problem” are most likely to want to let it be handled by them’uns in gum’mint that are the experts in this matter. After all, that thinkin’ and doin’ stuff is hard work…)
I applaud your optimism [that something can be done], but the terrible weight of numbers leans toward collapse by dint of doing nothing to prepare for some very dicey predicaments and their outcomes.

AMR January 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

Downtown San Diego and many nearby neighborhoods are filling in with a pretty functional, coherent urban fabric, but the main development model in East County and North County is basically to build stupid shit all over hell. It’s a model that extends, with fairly small gaps, up the I-15 corridor through the Inland Empire to Victorville, back west across the Antelope Valley, and southwest into Ventura County. The only really reliable impediments to this shit are the steeper mountain ranges, some of which more closely resemble cliffs.
Speaking of San Diegans who went off the deep end, I once knew one:
http://aliensinthefamily.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/my-encounter-with-san-diego-police-recruiting-officer-and-noted-residential-vandal-robert-acosta/
By contrast, the LA Basin, the San Fernando Valley and the proximal part of Orange County have some of the densest infill in the country. Other than Orange County, which is chronically beset with epic political and policy dysfunction, these places have really been getting their acts together on mass transit in recent years. The rest of the country should be looking to the agencies and officials involved, especially the LA Metro and Antonio Villaraigosa.

Grouchy Old Girl January 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

It’s the death of hope that worries me. It seems like all we can do is circle the wagons with other like-minded people and try to live as well as possible. Try to enjoy each day as it comes and face trouble as it comes.
We’re just howling in the wind if we think we can change the course we are on. Collapse and chaos are inevitable, nothing we can do to stop it.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

I really should amend one part of that for less mud and a bit more clarity:
I applaud your optimism [that something, COLLECTIVELY, can/will be done], (etc.)

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

Yes, Whites care too much. We have to learn to turn ourselves Off and do the hard things that must needs be done – and not done. Aid to Africa? Not to be done. Aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc? Not to be done. Immigration? Not to be done – cut to zero for many years.
Bishop Fulton Sheen argued well in his “Plea for Intolerance”: we are suffering not from the narrow minded, but more from the broad and foolish.
http://catholicism.org/fulton-sheens-a-plea-for-intolerance.html

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

Yes Zone. When Doom is certain, hope is the enemy. We should be preparing for the swiftly approaching Four Horsemen, not trading inane euphemisms and pie on the Earth Marxist fantasies. Jeremiahs are seldom popular, but they are needed. He told the Judeans (Israel was already gone) that it was too late, they hadn’t listened to God, that he Jeremiah had been their last chance and they hadn’t listened to him either – so now it was too late and they should get ready for their new life that would be in Babylon. Jerusalem was lost for the time being.

Nastarana January 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

average American knows little and understands less.
And how, pray tell, did that come about?
One impportant factor was and is the continueing abandonment by American intellectuals of their responsibilities, which consist of engaging with their less well educated fellow citizens and acting as, so to speak, witnesses for truth and civilization.
Meanwhile, did you notice the panic attack from our Chinese spammer? To paraphrase the gibberish, hiring overeas workers AND their families, ie., paper relatives, is cheaper than jobs for indigenous people, who might as well go off and die, apparently. Cheaper for the multinational employer, perhaps, but surely not for the host nation.
I repeat, I believe that calling for an outright moratorium on immigration is the one issue short of an actual declaration of war on some foreign power that does get people’s attention.

Richard Shenary January 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

One of the interesting aspects of our immigration policy or lack thereof is the changing demographics of the electorate. “White Male” election power is waning as the Republican party changes into the Republican rest home. Most of these people have beliefs and political opinions that are no longer relevant to this world so, in my opinion, it is a good thing that they are out-voted by the new majority. The problem is the new majority is also clueless regarding the important issues of excessive debt, climate destabilization and resource scarcity.
At least the new majority does not have the deep seeded prejudices of the old guard.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

With the possible exception of Ron Paul, no living man has been more right about the future and done more to awaken the People than Alex Jones. Celente is good but hasn’t had the reach of Jones.
Btw, Jones is not a White Nationalist and doesn’t like them. Like Ron Paul he believe or pretends to believe that MLK was a great man and not a Communist agitator, a sex maniac, a plagiarist, etc.

azgog January 21, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

The continuing stream of mass shootings (5 more dead today)and general mayhem (over a thousand dead since Newtown) reflect the tension in American society, but not in a revolutionary way. It is just another aspect of the monetization of our lives for the benefit of the 1%.
While the gun industry celebrates record sales and the successful transformation of semiautomatic weapons into “sporting’ guns for “sportsmen” by industry lobbyists like the NSSF (based in Newtown, CT), another even creepier Industry is enjoying record profits at the expense of public safety.
Psychiatry led the way to the Nazi concentration camps when they began a program of euthanizing the mentally ill, disabled or otherwise undesirable citizens in the 1930’s. Today they pursue an agenda of childhood “screening”, turning any emotionality into a pathology, to be treated with their powerful and highly profitable armada of psychotropic drugs. These poisons effectively perform a chemical lobotomy that makes their subjects much more cooperative and “easier to handle”. They also have a 5 – 10% rate of violent, bizarre homicidality/suicidality as a “side effect”.
These drugs are now being prescribed at a 10x higher rate for such conditions as nail biting, bed wetting, weight loss and “I just broke up with my girlfiend”. Big Pharma pays Harvard psychiatrist millions of dollars each to endorse the use of these drugs on children as young as 6, despite the fact that most are not approved for such use and that long term use causes provable brain damage. Part of their racket is reflected by the fact that poor children who qualify for Medicaid are prescribed at a 4x higher rate.
So welcome to Zombie Nation where we deal with the angst of a tripling of oil prices, an unsustainable suburban culture and a planetary climate emergency by popping another pill or 2 or 3.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

The average person is a dummy and will always know little and understand less. Collapse Watch knows this btw. Thus his Communism is deeper than Ozone’s or Kdog’s – and in accordance with Trotsky, Marx, Lenin, Mao etc. They had contempt for people – far deeper than the True Conservative who knows the People are no greak shakes either – but still made in the Image of God.
While Americans are fighting the Gun Grab, a united Democrat/Republican Party will legalize tens of millions of illegals. And – everyone of them will be treated better than native born Americans. This wasn’t “supposed” to be done until the Wall was built and e-verify in place. So the Amensty may cause another mass exodus from South of the Border – unless things are already so bad here that it’s not worth it. That will be the end of immigration – when America is just another 3rd World Dump. But that means Social Services will have to go. There are still alot of Whites to be fleeced before that happens.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

And the new majority are free from prejudice against the old majority? Liberals hate Conservatives, the Elite hate Conservatives, Blacks and Hispanics hate Conservatives. And Conservative is just another word for Traditional Whites.

stelmosfire January 21, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

Happy MLK day Vlad, I am actually a pretty good dude e.g. “The Big Lewbowski”. I just enjoy poking a thorn thru your sandal. That is what we do at the firehouse. I am the “Grand Marshall” of Ball Busting. The bigger the rise the bigger the laugh. Yea, sure it’s mean. But hey thin skin is like no skin, with practice you will have a turtle shell. So chill out and chuckle once in awhile would you. Lose the hate and learn to love. OH shit, now I sound like Asoka.. Sorry if I offended ya, STELMO

PRD January 21, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

Well, I think we can hardly say that a parking lot in Arizona is a gun-free zone. Maybe just on that day?
Still… A recent article in The Atlantic cited a study that showed thieves break into houses that are occupied (or appear so) at far lower rates than in Britain. One theory: they can’t be sure the homeowner in the US is not armed.
How many insane losers with mass murder on their minds consider whether they’ll be met with any armed resistance? I’d say zero. Since so many kill themselves when the spree is over, I’d say they’d welcome a fire fight. Say, on the steps of the capitol?

Shakazulu January 21, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

Are there still mentally-functioning citizens left in America who believe Obama is the Leader taking us toward a Brave New World?
All the rest of us unbelievers can do is sit back and watch reality take us toward Armageddon. Thanks for chiming in JHK with your vision of the future.

Headless January 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

“What I want to know: where is the lone swindled rancher who waits to bushwhack Jon Corzine of MF Global in the parking lots of Easthampton, since the law won’t touch him?”
THAT…is the question. Surely we won’t have to wait much longer; and after the first, there will surely be a flurry of other assassinations and attempts and a massive fleeing of perps (Corzine types) to the ends of the Earth. And that will be when my faith in this country is renewed, and I will once again have some modicum of belief in its reformability.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

Obama told Boehner that there is no spending problem and he’s tired of hearing it. Money is just something to be printed for Leftist morons like this. Hope you’re not like this Vinny.

asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

Like Ron Paul, Alex Jones is a Texan Republican politician. Alex Jones promotes Neocon propaganda about as well as Rush Limbaugh does.
Alex Jones Jones is a sensationalist and fear porn purveyor. He’ll spin any story he can into another example of how they’re preparing to kill or enslave us. He paints government as enemy.
Government actually helps us by building infrastructure that helps private enterprise to thrive. Entrepreneurs cannot do it by themselves. They cannot build a business without government help in the form of roads, education (if you can read and write), bridges, telecommunication infrastructure, etc. Success comes from joint efforts, collective effort, not solely by individual effort.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.” –Barack Hussein Obama

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm #

No words have power in and of themselves. Blue collar White Guys all over America do this all the time – insult each other and pretend they didn’t mean it or they’re not hurt by what the other guy said. Then one of them goes too far and is secretly hated there after. Or the conflict immediately flares up then and there. Guess what? The upper classes, starting with the middle/middle even, doesn’t do this. Interesting that they’re on top and you (we, I come from the working class and I know first hand) are on the bottom. You see, they’re nice to each other. They “groom” each other to use Anthropological language. It’s one of the secrets of power, you see. Losers tear each other down.
What I feel doesn’t matter since we don’t really know each other. But what does matter is that you said what you said – and you believe it. You should own your words about the Virgin Mary. You think she sucks and MLk is great. This is an inversion – putting what is high in the gutter and what is low on top, but it’s what you believe. You should push forward or repent. I don’t see you repenting so you have to go all the way through it and hopefully come out the other side. Start here: http://www.freewebs.com/eridu666/Joy_of_Satan.html

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

I agree that Goverment does have a place and that Libertarians often go too far. But clearly, Goverment has gone beyond its rightful province, and is now running rampant on our rights and on on the private sector. It is idle and idolatry to believe that the Founders intended there to be no private institutions, nothing between the individual and the Federal Goverment – not even the States.

asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

CORRECTION
If you can read and write and cipher, you have most likely received government help in the form of a teacher or professor who was a government employee. Even if you went to private schools, chances are those teachers received government help to enable them to teach you.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

Just had an epiphany: since Liberals typically don’t engage in shit talk with each other, or any kind of mock combat – perhaps that is why they are so incredibly vicious to their ideological opponents. They need hate obejcts for the emotional gratification they don’t get from each other.
The Green Types are some of the nicest amongst themselves – and some of the most vicious with enemies. Thus the Communist infiltration of Greendom wasn’t a stretch at all.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

New England’s literacy rate was well over 90% before the creation of the public school system. It has never been that high since. Clearly, this system was created for other reasons than education… Horace Mann and Co were great admirers of the Prussian State dontcha know…
Of course, the New Eglanders were Yankee Aryans. You’d never get that level of literacy now, public schools, private, home, whatever. The Genetic Capital just isn’t there anymore.

Ozymandius January 21, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

Have a look at Florida from 60 miles up – Google Earth™
Looks all the world like an autopsied smokers lung full of cancer……

Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

At least the new majority does not have the deep seeded prejudices of the old guard.
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deep seated

asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

White, male, and property owners were literate? Or everyone (natives, women, Blacks, etc.) had a literacy rate of 90% … do you have a citation to support your claim of a universal literacy rate of 90%?
We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great. — Barack Hussein Obama

Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

the True Conservative who knows the People are no greak shakes either
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milk ;o)

Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

This is a canary in a coal mind if it happens.
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There is something in the ear of some people that demands a hard T or D sound at the end of certain words. My wife, for example, always says cousint for cousin and her brother (my B-I-L) always says goald for goal. It drives me crazy, of course.
Since the E and D are adjacent on the keyboard yours might be what is known as a “fat finger” error.

stelmosfire January 21, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

Well Vlad, I see that thorn is still working into your thin skin. Perhaps you should get steel bottomed sandals. Obviously you have no clue about real stress and the way it is dealt with. Throwing verbal jabs is a way to deal with it. It is an art form. Your jabs are true hatred filled comments. You should hide your head in shame .I give it out but I receive plenty in return. You are right about one thing. I don’t believe in the bible and the immaculate conception. I do believe in Jesus but just consider him another one of histories great philosophers. This “my God is better than your God ” bullshit has caused more grief for mankind, and you as a smart fella should admit it to youself. This will be the last of our correspondance.Goodbye.

ront January 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2013/01/obama-inauguration-speech-2013.html?ml=vi_1
All speech, no matter how sublime and inspiring, is just idle talk unless acted upon and lived up to.

asoka.. January 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

“We ought to face the unpleasant fact that Obama will be remembered as a president of achievement and consequence,” he wrote. “It does not matter if, like I do, you think those achievements are horrible and that their consequences will be worse. Obama’s reversal of the Reagan revolution is here.” –conservative Matthew Continetti

LifeSupport January 21, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

What’s life without the occasional what? Can’t quite make it out. Oh, “detour” (had to Google it). Uh, yeah. Fun to take that up a level. “What’s the progress of human society without the occasional detour into, say, resource depletion, including water for irrigation of marginal farmland.”
“Life is what happens while you’re making other plans”. Oh, wait. That was John Lennon. Well anyway.
Lot of symbolism in that commercial, intentional or not. Windmills, train with tanker cars, zipping past a (gasoline?) tanker truck in one of the least fuel efficient vehicles available on today’s market. Then there are the cows. None of them with a leg stuck in a fence, though. That would have been too obvious, I guess.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

Yeah and remember when the White Firemen got the Black Fireman to eat dog food? Racists! (Good One!) He won big in Court and didn’t have to associate with his inferiors anymore. Give me a few million and I’ll eat some dog food too….
But he was right in one of his points btw: he said the other Firemen would never let him live it down, always barking at him, etc. This is a perfect example of the cruelty I alluded to.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

All the rest of us unbelievers can do is sit back and watch reality take us toward Armageddon.
No no no, get up offa your ass walk over to the window, open it up an scream as loud as you can:
I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

The Jon Corzines of the world cannot exist as they do without the aid of their small army of sycophantic technocratic minions. The Enablers. Those who Kiss Up and Kick Down. When things have regressed to a certain point in the future where no one has recourse to the law anymore, this small army should be remembered when any attempts at Justice are meted out. You know who these Technocrats are. Don’t ever forget, because like Dathan the Task Master, even after the Collapse to come, they will show their ugly heads again to perpetuate the injustice inflicted upon us for millenia.
Never Again!!!

Raindogs January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

You suppose McAlvaney brings up his Y2K fearmongering while tooling around soothsaying in his SUV?
I doubt it. Just another conservative Christian with all the answers.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

Yes, that one was my fat finger. My mind knows a mine just fine.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

The Genetic Capital just isn’t there anymore.
Yeah, the Indians got wiped out.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

Yes, I am a Master of the very thing I condemn. . And yes, who has the thin skin now? By way of explanation, I’m not against hatred, but rather against hating the wrong people. Hating your male co-workers is inappropriate. Hating MLK and his minions is.
Seriously, think about what I said. You and I were both raised to be losers. Well functioning people in Real Cultures don’t tear each other to shreds for shits and giggles and then pretend they didn’t just do that or that it didn’t hurt.
Also in you Game, surely you must have realized that there are Limits? Are Mothers on the Table? No? Then why insult the Mother of Christ? You KNEW that was forbidden yet you did it anyway. And no, Goverment has killed more people than Religion ever did. I admit that these two were often indistinguishable and that one of the glories of America was to make them so. Liberals have distorted this to make Religion evil – and create a new Civil Religion with Black Messiahs.

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

You are a vampire and I thust a steak into your ‘art.

HenryMorgan January 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

4 more years with ‘The Last King of Scotland’.
What’s this place going to look like in 2016?
Saw in NYT whites will be a minority in California by the end of the year. That will make a lot of people happy. As for me, I’m surprised it took so long.
I went into Hartford today. I looked around and wondered, “What’s going to happen when the foodstamps, welfare checks and section 8 payments stop rolling in? That is all thats’s keeping this place going?” Its not going to be pretty.
–HM

HenryMorgan January 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

You are right about one thing, Vlad. MLK day is the High Holy Day with the Libs and the Left. It used to be May Day but that got a little discredited when they found out Chairman Mao and Comrade Stalin liquidated 100 million human beings beween them in the Workers Paradise. Not that they care, but its a little embarrassing.
–HM

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

You have a fat head: the Conquest of the Indians and their dispossession was necessary for America to be born. If you regret this, then leave. To regret and stay is to be existentially inauthentic. So put on your black beret and go back to Europe, Whitey. Write to us from a Cafe in Paris.
The Blacks, Indians, and now the Mexicans have made it clear that they want us off this continent. Why are you still here?

Radu Voda January 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

Obama plans to mix the Gun Grab with Obamacare using the CHILDREN. Kids are going to be asked in school if Daddy has a gun. If that is scary, etc. In other words, without even knowing it, the kids are going to be turned into Rats. Imagine the guilt this will cause when the Police come. Imagine the anguish to the Parents if the child is taken away.
Face it Ront: we are in the Presence of Pure Evil exactly the same as under Mao or Stalin or Trotsky (sorry Jgang, the mass executions started under him. Can’t blame everything on the “Romans”)

Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

Did you see my late nite post to you?
Also I looked up ‘deep seeded’ and the scribes
on the web agree its ‘deep seeded’.

Lucky 13 January 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

Describe this place, ‘Hartford’.
And what of the places from yr childhood you
tried to go back to?

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

Continuing with the movie theme, has anyone seen this excellent movie?
Life of Pi
It deals with many of the issues discussed in this space.

Kyooshtik January 21, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

Did you see my late nite post to you?
Yes, but I can’t locate “the Talk.” Post a link.
“Also I looked up ‘deep seeded’ and the scribes
on the web agree its ‘deep seeded’.
Your scribes are wrong, see following (and numerous others at Google):
Which is correct “deep-seeded” or “deep-seated”? -Yahoo! Answers
answers.yahoo.com › … › Education & Reference › Words & Wordplay
5 answers – Nov 26, 2006
Top answer: G’day Richard K, Thank you for your question. Deep-seated is correct. It means deeply-rooted or deep beneath the surface.

Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

With regard to O, b am..a’s speech, is there a name for the kind of mental illness characterizing extreme cynicism and lack of sincerity, where someone mouths the words, but doesn’t believe in anything that he’s saying? Thanks.

djc January 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm #

I agree with this post.

Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

In the future dystopia in which the government comes to dominate the economy and most “good paying” jobs accessible to average blokes are in “the government”, people will seek to disassociate themselves from decent, non-conformist, free-thinking people and/or people who they fear might compromise their careers in government due to the omnipresent su..r veill,,ance state. Society becomes a big Shithole….

Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

How ’bout this for a story-line?
Set in the late 19th century wild west, a gun-slinger rides into an isolated prairie town that is organized as a t..o tali t,,ari,,an society. The town is called SHIT HOLE. Gun slinger f..cks all the women, shoots all the men and then burns the town ground before then taking a huge crap on it.

Inquiring Mind January 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

In the past, the oppressors were the monarchs. We handled and go away from that with the Magna Carta and other developments.
Now it is governments that are the oppressors. Central banks and governments are the primary enemy of the people (actually the people are their own worst enemies for unwittingly electing and re-electing the representatives who are their executioners).
These central banks need to go. Governments need to become smaller and get out of the way.
We need a new type of Magna Carta for today.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

Four more years of Obama will sink the US economy to levels not even imagined today. Continuing to prop up a system with no future shall bring our country to its knees.
The first time you meet someone listen carefully to what they say. The first thing out of their mouth is often a clear truth or a boldfaced lie. Change we can believe in was the first thing we ever heard Obama say and the truth of that turns out to be no change at all. McAlvaney hit it on the head when he identifed the emergence of a political class of elite career politicians who do not serve the public good but only serve themselves unless by chance the two interests coincide. McAlvaney reasons are to sell financial services true, but so what, that doesn’t make him wrong any more than JHK is proven wrong every time he drives a car.
Each generation of an established aristocracy becomes more disconnected from their subjects and American politicians are aristocracy. It’s not hereditary unless you consider money is inherited but the characteristic of membership in a separate and superior class, a ruling class, the defining characteristic of any aristocracy is undeniable. So long as self interest and the public duty coincide everything is fine but thats not what we have. Downscaling and re-localizing American life means nothing to quObama and everything else which passes for leadership in this country. Downsizing and living within means does not put money in a politicians pockets and politicians are all about lining their pockets. Politics is their career, their vocation, it is not a civic obligation to them for the two are mutually exclusive.
That we have lost our way is understandable. Americans worship specialization and confuse efficiency with virtue. Smart in America means knowing a lot about small slivers of the intellectual pie. The smaller the slice you have and the more you know about that little slice the smarter you are. You know your place and within those tiny boundaries and you,- king of nothing fit in. Second place does not count, winning is everything. Consequently it’s natural to believe that a separate ruling class can take care of us far better than we can take care of ourselves. Ask the common man or woman if he or she is better off ruled by experts and by god and apple pie they will agree. Ancient Greeks learned better 2500 years ago and we need a Cleisthenes now for ancient lessons have been forgotten.
Innovation in a totalitarian state is almost non-existent and American innovation declines with every loss of freedom. At a time when we desperately need new habits and new practices, when nobody in California knows how to build a house without hiring a dozen Mexicans we need help. When everything has been reduced to the turn of a crank and then waiting for magic to happen circumstances which can lead to new ways of doing things are rare Anyone who is lucky enough to have a job is also smart enough to not make any waves and keep their mouth shut. Every vacant job has three people trying to get it and that is not an atmosphere which embraces change. A bit of rain has fallen and now we are mired in mud, it didn’t take much.
Occasionally the historical record shows men of greatness emerging to lead, a hero who dreams of better worlds. It doesn’t happen all the time but it can, lets hope it does. Lets make it happen.

AMR January 21, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

Here’s another data point of cultural decline in the Anglosphere:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/health/Saskatoon+officer+working+Sandy+Hook+memorial/7844628/story.html
I wouldn’t want to be in PR or command at the Saskatoon Police Services right now, because Constable Scanlon is getting egg all over his agency’s face by publicly promising to dump an unsolicited, very macabre commemorative statue on Newtown. I think I embarrassed one of their Twitter lackeys by calling Scanlon a grief junkie. Oh, well. That’s what happens when your police agency hires the kind of cops who go on the record with that kind of weenie idiocy.

k-dog January 21, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

That’s the movie the Indian rape victim saw just before she was assaulted. She and the resulting Indian riots were big news last month. Everywhere but in the US that is.

Mike Moskos January 21, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

No one makes the suburbia is unsustainable argument better than Chuck Marohn of strongtowns.org. (Jim is entertaining as hell, but Chuck gets into the nitty gritty financials). Sitting through his presentation should be required of every city, county, and state official before they take office and spend away our future (because they don’t understand the liabilities of what they’re already responsible to maintain).
After a lull, lots of new stuff is getting built here in Miami. BUT, it is all stuff in the dense urban core with retail on the ground floor. Seems the South Americans who came to town to buy up the unsold stock built during the last boom (cash deals sold at reduced prices) aren’t interested in the suburbs/exburbs. Thus, builders are responding with more projects in the dense cores. In Miami Beach where there are restrictions about knocking down historical buildings, buildings are getting renovated left and right, usually by stripping the interiors completely and updating everything. This might once again become the walkable city it once was.

ozone January 21, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

But, but… in the artistes rendering, they’s all clamberin’ up through th’ clouds to heb’bn where they’ll be happy happy joy joy wid baby Jeebus forever and ever, amen. Isn’t that what we’ve been popped onto the earth for?
Why, Saskatoon louts are just as befuddled as our’n! (And just as good spellerers too, from glancing through the comments.) Am these not sings of hope for ar nayshun?

Collapse Watch January 21, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

You didn’t click on the link, did you? It’s a surprise.

Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

Or, how ’bout this for a story line?
An unassuming bloke’s relatives come to visit in his house for a week. Relatives turn out to be very auth..or,,itar ian and buy into all the pro..pa,,gan..da and the whole tot..al,,ita,,rian trip.

Soul Pucker January 21, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

95% of people are AFRAID….

KaraokeVox January 21, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

Was kevin spacey channeling jon corzine in margin call?
I guess I can say I witnessed history this morning…I certainly got a major history lesson.
According to sen. Shoemaker, I live on the right side of history. Wow…this nation is arrogant.
At least with a monarchy they can claim divine ordination and it not be ALL about them and what they are wearing.
He also appealed to people to look for the good in this administration….because they represent so many bad people? Like a lawyer defending a teenage mass murderer?
Like corporations legally raping and pillaging the masses?
What the hell is middle class anymore when they are dying on freeways in excess of military losses? And how does a hat or tshirt or program solidify a moment? 1 million people coming and going on foot is just another shallow biblical allusion. At least woodstock had some real people involved instead of a bunch of stuffy posers who aren’t going to be around in the next 20 years.

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Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:50 am #

Well that’s obvious but what would be their angle here? Part of the war on women? I mean asking women not to butcher their unborn children is asking alot I know.
If I had to pick an angle, I’d say they don’t want to focus on gang rape since that is a Black specialty. That being said, I’m not sure you’re right that it is being ignored. I’ve heard about it several places. Gang rape is huge all over the 3rd World after all. The hundreds of Peace Corps volunteers who have been raped – now that’s a cover up of what should have been a huge story.

Jimmy Drinkwater January 22, 2013 at 1:15 am #

For the most part, it’s hard to disagree with what you’ve written. I long have concluded close to the same, a global elite bereft of any loyalties other than to themselves and their own class, having more fraternity with their counterparts in London, or Hong Kong or Zurich or Moscow or Riyadh than they do to the rabble taking up space in their own country.
While in all likelihood I’ll be listening to memorized books recited to each other down at the abandoned rail car yard, we need remember there is no certainty regarding the affairs of men. Anytime the idea of ‘only possible outcome’ arises history has a way of showing things turned on it’s head.

AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:30 am #

I don’t think so. The Newtown memorial is the brainchild of a cop who is soliciting help from an EMT he knows. As far as I can tell, he’s emotionally fragile, deals with his emotional fragility in really weird ways, and likes to involve others, including the press, his police agency (indirectly, by naming it in interviews), and various other officials who he figures might validate him by praising his nutcase ideas. One of my Twitter contacts summed him up brilliantly as a “good-natured mush-head.”
A big part of the problem is that most people are hesitant to call time out on this sort of boundary violation. This emboldens people who would otherwise be reticent about publicizing their own pathos.

AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:39 am #

Well said. Mike Scanlan has a case of teh crazy.
What I find disconcerting about this circus is that Canadians living well over a thousand miles from Newtown are getting worked up over carnage that is not endemic to their country, and that they’re being led by a cop. Canadians are less heavily armed than Americans and much less violent. It strikes me that they’re substituting the manufactured reality of American cable news for their own observations. That’s potentially one less anchor for sane Americans to grab in our efforts not to get swept up in ostentatious bereavement and violence worship.

AMR January 22, 2013 at 1:46 am #

Meanwhile, the Saskatoon Police are about to be armed en masse with Tasers. I have trouble imagining such a brutal, easily abused weapon responsible for so many accidental fatalities being adopted so widely in democratic countries had it been developed in, say, the USSR or Syria.

k-dog January 22, 2013 at 1:47 am #

I’ve been following the story for a few weeks but not really super close so somebody can read up and straighten me out if I have it wrong.
Several weeks ago returning from a movie with her date a young woman was raped by five men on a bus. Her boyfriend was disabled by a crack from a steel bar and when they were finished the five threw her from the bus and left her for dead. She did die later in Singapore after being taken there for medical treatment. I believe large scale protest was necessary to get the perpetrators arrested and charged. The sight of thousands of people demanding justice (successfully) was not something the powers that be decided we needed to see. Sort of like target internet ads you could say but on a social rather than individual scale. We were being protected from useless information for our own good. In this case democracy in action and the struggle for women’s rights.
But if I’m wrong someone please correct me. We don’t want paranoid dogs running around. Here is something to start with.

orbit7er January 22, 2013 at 8:29 am #

Obama’s Inaugural Address was another paean to “Happy Motoring Forever!”:

We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together.
…
…
We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories.

Nothing about Peak Oil, Green Transit, the need to end our Auto Addicted suburban monstrosity. It should be no surprise that neoliberal Obama is supporting neoliberal Gov Cuomo’s plan to waste $5 Billion on a new Autos only Tappan Zee bridge. So much for the brave words from Cuomo about “global Warming” and Climate Change with major causes in Auto Addiction.

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:45 am #

To sympathizers of the Democratic Party & Republican Party and any other corporate entities to watch this short video of Dr. Cornel West.
http://youtu.be/96d_CzrfxsM
Will you have the courage to stop blindly supporting, pushing, and accepting the Obama agenda that is the entire international capitalist agenda?

thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III January 22, 2013 at 9:24 am #

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the US public believes is false.”
-William J. Casey, 1981
We are there now…

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 9:40 am #

What a party last night in DC! And tonite, Lady GaGa!
Those Islamists killing everybody at that NatGas site in Algeria, is that the end of it? Or is it just the beginning? In TLE, Jim talks about something similar occurring on the Arabian Peninsula. There has been much talk of late about the USA becoming ‘Energy Independent’, with no need for Petroleum from NAfrica or the Middle East. We soon may find out if this is true.
–HM

Tancred January 22, 2013 at 9:53 am #

“America’s possibilities are limitless, for we possess all the qualities that this world without boundaries demands: youth and drive; diversity and openness; an endless capacity for risk and a gift for reinvention.”
Uur own president says the “possibilities are limitless” and there are no boundaries. We can “reinvent” our society. So what is with all this doom and gloom talk here at CN? Why is everyone so pessimistic? Here in Atlanta, we’re gonna build a new domed stadium to replace a…well, an existing domed stadium, so that PROVES things are not only good but getting better. And little bungalows are selling at 675K (in the right neigborhood), so housing remains a good value.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 9:54 am #

Yes, thanks for mentioning Casey and Friends. It was the culmination of Operation Mockingbird……for the Intelligence Services to own, create and distribute The News, all of which is misinformation.
http://www.ctka.net/abc_cap.html

This week network TV hit a new low with ABC’s airing of its 14 and one-half hour, $40-million dollar “epic,” Amerika. The xenophobic red-baiting engaged in by Amerika is hardly new to TV, but never before has a network spent so much time and money in such a blatant attempt to inspire in its audience jingoistic paranoia toward the Soviet Union and the United Nations. Small wonder that Mikhail Gorbachev complained to visiting American bigwigs earlier this month that “forces to which hostility is profitable … use high-powered information media to sow hatred toward the Soviet Union.”
The commotion about Amerika has obscured a much more serious problem about network TV, one that could serve to validate Gorbachev’s complaint for years to come. Despite its length and its crass appeal to the dark side of the American character, Amerika is just a TV show. As such, it’s not likely to have much lasting effect. However, that cannot be said of the changes in network ownership and control that have taken place over the last two years. These have transformed at least NBC and ABC from tasteless schlock-meisters merely striving to sell more ads into powerful information gatekeepers with strong ties to established power blocs that have their own aggressive foreign and domestic political agendas.
At issue in the ABC situation in particular is an extraordinary story overlooked by most of the press and never taken up by congressional investigators: Who actually took over ABC when Capital Cities Communications bought it in March 1985? For “Cap Cities” is no ordinary company, and the takeover was no ordinary case of corporate wheeling and dealing.

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 10:10 am #

Funny you mention the Soviet Union. Right now I’m reading Edvard Radzinsky’s bio of Joseph Stalin. Its a story of blood and terror, the suppression and liquidation of tens of millions of human beings unequaled in the history of the World. Just as interesting is the part where Western Intellectuals — Walter Duranty, John Reed, George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs, Andre Gide, Louis Fuetchwanger to mention a few, — knew the truth but covered it up, deliberately misleading opinion makers in the US and Europe. It wasn’t until the 1970s until the truth was finally revealed.
–HM

ront January 22, 2013 at 10:19 am #

K-Dog, I find your “speech” more critical and challenging than was Obama’s offering. It has more of a MLK tone and spirit.

ozone January 22, 2013 at 10:24 am #

I’d say that it’s just the very beginning. The “jihadis” know that they’ll not be invited to share in the banquet of power and uberwealth. (Same in this country, but that’s info that’s become forbidden to voice.)
So, okay, what does one do to get “recognized” as a legitimate bloc to feed at the same trough as the head psychos? Produce enough disruption and very real violence (a few martyrs don’t hurt either) producing some very real dead folk, thus proving your sincerity and cold-bloodedness.
These nice people enjoy cloaking their lust for worldly power, influence, and [sometimes] even goodies with a mantel of godly righteousness. Of course, it’s all about ultimate power and control over others.
…And sure, if access to this portable energy supply from the M.E. is withdrawn from us, we’ll become energy independent alrighty, just in an extremely impoverished (and suddenly moped-ed) way.
Now watch this for an example of a serious use of technology in the service of bare-bones practical energy and resource use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXjqUp1MPwc
Every home ought to have at least two, don’t you think?

budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 10:33 am #

It seems obvious to me that in the, say, four years ahead (one presidential term), we will not come to grips with any of the forces of reality bearing down on us. We will lose control of the money system; we’ll go broke trying to keep up our oil supplies; the American public will get more economically desperate and angry; and pretty soon the practical matters of daily life will become rather harsh.

Oh, c’mon – please – really? Four years? Really.
James – can you come over to my house for my Superbowl party? How many gallons, or should I say how many “tankers filled with fuel” will be consumed to provide transport to the fans of the “super Sunday excesses.”
If the US currently has so much discretionary energy consumption – that tens of millions of people travel to “party(s)” on Super Sunday – please james – please please tell me how it’s all going south in four years?
More like forty-years – after all, your original idea is the Long Emergency.

ront January 22, 2013 at 10:42 am #

“A hero? But of whom and for whom? Us? The Blacks? The Mexicans? This isn’t just Fascist Theory: all these groups have conflicting interests. Our would be Hero will have to choose!”
If folks continue this focus on the conflicts with, and struggling for some greater advantage over their fellow beings, we never will be a team. This is exactly what is promoted by those who seek to control the world.
If you happen to be black, white, Hispanic, male, female. rich, poor, ugly, attractive, fat, thin, etc, it is a temporary condition. We are spiritual beings having human experiences–a lot of human experiences in a process of reincarnation. If this is not the Fact, than in what lies the meaning of life.
Why choose to struggle against one another? It’s just an age old habit, addiction which ends up enhancing the feeling of being separate. The Fact is we are ONE Being. Brotherhood is nothing to work toward–it simply IS awaiting your recognition.
Then we can get down to seeing more clearly, loving more dearly, serving more freely. We then inherit the peace and plenty of our abundant gifts. We free ourselves from our limited ego-minds. Through off the chains of our limited craving, experiencing real creativity and True Spiritual Freedom.
With hearts filled with Song, our very lives will seek harmony as we join in the a-bun-dance. Throw off the burden NOW!

ozone January 22, 2013 at 10:50 am #

Bud,
Do you really believe we’ve got forty years just to slosh around with, and that none of the present finite systems we have in place is going to crash and burn within that time?
(Just interested if you’re simply being provocative in this… or what.)
“The Long Emergency” is a different concept from “The Long Decline”.

bossier22 January 22, 2013 at 10:52 am #

soumds like high plains drifter with clint eastwood. your a little slow on the draw with that one pardner

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 10:53 am #

Just as interesting is the part where Western Intellectuals — Walter Duranty, John Reed, George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs, Andre Gide, Louis Fuetchwanger to mention a few, — knew the truth but covered it up, deliberately misleading opinion makers in the US and Europe. It wasn’t until the 1970s until the truth was finally revealed.

So the Western Intelligence Services were too stupid to figure any of this out on their own? They had to rely on the prominent “intellectuals” of the day to form their opinions? Hardly.
Perhaps you missed the fifties. The Red Scare. The murder of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. The message was that Communists were cunning, deceitful murderous monsters. Kind of idiotic to cover it up considering the Red Scare. To do so would have been superfluous.
However, if you’re in the propaganda business, you would want to cover it up because you wouldn’t want your own population to sympathize with any Soviets. They were all Communists, and Communists were evil and deplorable and not to be trusted. No exceptions. All Russians were poisoned by the malady of Communism, and there should be no sympathy. Such messaging desensitized The Masses into accepting the possibility of wiping them out entirely with nuclear strikes.

budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 11:01 am #

(Just interested if you’re simply being provocative in this… or what.)
“The Long Emergency” is a different concept from “The Long Decline”.

You misunderstand – my post is an inquiry.
How the heck are any of these “systems” supposed to fail – if we aren’t even beginning to see a tempering of discretionary energy consumption?
Suburbia will be the last to fail – not the first. People will stop driving to “ball games” before driving to work from the suburbs.
We are nearing the resources plateau – but the time-line/edge to declining essential energy consumption is not even on the radar……..
Why does someone know something?

balkan January 22, 2013 at 11:09 am #

Every time when somebody proposes something with over the board emotions attached to it there is agenda behind it. In poor sacks’ case the motive, without sometimes even being aware of it, is that some decades from now while walking with his grandkids around “memorial” he can say: “It was me who did this”. Present time adoration would not have been unwelcomed either. Idiot wants something to be called after him.
Nobel Prize Bosnian writer in one his short stories depicted such a character, small 19th century town local who helped visiting master builder to erect a new cross on the local church spire. After master builder “collected a final payment and left the town”, this former “Mr. nobody” decided that he deserves more respect from towns’ people because “he was way up there, defying fear and gravity, unlike any of them”. Whole story is brilliantly rendered torment of his soul after being ignored, as people went about they own daily business.
As for the calculated over-the-board-emotions attached to a message, politicians use this to deceive or expedite rallying of masses to “support” anything they want to do. I do not have to list many recent examples.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 11:11 am #

To sympathizers of the Democratic Party & Republican Party and any other corporate entities to watch this short video of Dr. Cornel West.
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^This^ is not a sentence.
I have three suggestions for Cornel West: Shave, get a haircut, see an orthodontist…then maybe I won’t be so distracted and will be able to pay attention to what he has to say.

ozone January 22, 2013 at 11:11 am #

CW,
You sounded the warning bell at midnight last night. We’ll see how many/few heed it.
Yes, disinformation “outlets” are shifting into higher and higher gears (as technology allows), all in the service of the world-killers. The race to watch will be the one between looming, inevitable collapse and complete domination and control. The dynamic of the death-by-a-thousand-cuts will determine flow and direction; successes and failures.

ozone January 22, 2013 at 11:39 am #

Thanks for the clarification.
As to timelines, I have no answers, only vague speculations. (Certainly not 40 years of status quo/BAU.) I stand by my guess that only a sudden deprivation will force duh peepull to find a “different way to inhabit the landscape” [tm JHK]. How long this determinant “loss” can be held at bay by perception management or desperate measures is an open question. I don’t think we have any concrete access to the real skinny; as seen above, only in hindsight do we see the plans, resources and stats the PTB have at their disposal.
Oh, did you see Donny-don’s post? (10:30 PM) There’s another possible scenario for the suburban near-future. We could only hope that such common sense would prevail… but I ain’t placing any bets on it. ;o) (…And the politicians, who are supposed to be our reflections, don’t seem to be aware of [or give a shit about] these pragmatic ideas.)

mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:40 am #

“Collapse and chaos are inevitable, nothing we can do to stop it.”
Kind of like rape, grouchy old bitch. Guess you should just lean back and enjoy it.

mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:44 am #

“… it is a good thing that they are out-voted by the new majority. ”
Sure it is Dick. The new majority is demanding more toys with no way to fund them. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Thank god these fucktards will be running things now.

mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:50 am #

Hey fucktard, the Obama speech (“You didn’t build that.”) that you cite as some sort of brilliant example of government’s success has been discredited by all but the dimmest of the dim. Thanks for stepping forward with this wonderfully, moronic snippet.

mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:56 am #

“deep seated”
Hey fuck lips, there is nothing wrong with using the term deep seeded. In fact I think it much stronger than deep seated if one is trying to describe a deeply held conviction. So, shut the fuck up.

mistified January 22, 2013 at 11:58 am #

“It drives me crazy, of course.”
Of course. They probably pronounce things that way for that very reason.

ront January 22, 2013 at 11:58 am #

Or close your eyes and listen–way more practical and responsible.

balkan January 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm #

This morning listened to NPR on a way home after dropping my son to school. Talk was about yesterdays’ coronation. What strikes me is the even, matter-of-fact tone of bit “assertive” male and calm, raspy female voices of commentators depicting the event. There was nothing out of ordinary that they are aware of, and all is good.
The “Oath”, protection of The Constitution is better than ever, middle class and little man not to worry. Sound clips from inaugural ball were meant to show unrestrained joy. Interweaved participants in that charade were full of excitement, for obviously different reason: that they are there and nothing else matters.
If John Corzine or any of the ”Gang” was honorable guest and seated next to the president there would have not been elevated or God forbid even slight critical tone even on that radio station, supposedly critical voice of America. Raspy female would have smoothed it out with s-l-o-o-o-o-w, calm observation about their tie design, companion, or something.
It takes a village to hold a wail up.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:13 pm #

Hey fuck lips, there is nothing wrong with using the term deep seeded. In fact I think it much stronger than deep seated if one is trying to describe a deeply held conviction.
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Well, penis breath, I and most others, according to numerous articles you may access via Google, beg to differ. And besides that you’re a dickwad.;o)

mistified January 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

Oh, so it is incorrect for a person to string the words “deep seeded” next to each other? It is incorrect? Because assholes, such as yourself, are sitting around waiting for someone to use “deep seated” in a sentence and someone instead chooses, “deep seeded” that makes it wrong? I don’t think so. And neither would ANY rational soul. So, go fuck yourself, douche-drizzle.

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

“Therefore, my assertation that whatever Kunstler pronounces is being assiduously ignored by the general population and their “leaders” still holds.”
-‘zone-
Some good points, yesterday and today, O3.
I’ll still maintain that the “leaders” from Bidz’ness and big govt are mostly on the right of the spectrum, where Grow, GROW is the mantra – even unto death. And I’ll still maintain that most/many of those bozos truly BELIEVE that “we Americans are the hardest working people in the world and that growth will solve all of our problems, forevermore.” -RW Bozo, paraphrased-
The real failure of leadership is from the left, failure to do anything worthwhile about environment or overpopulation – as a way of slowing the sacred “Growth” before it’s too late.
Of course, “leadership” on the left has mostly been bought out WHOLESALE, by money from the big business right. Here’s the worst example, IMO, but there are many others if one knows where to look.
http://www.susps.org/
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In other areas, ozone, you are correct that lead and brass can become the real precious metals – when coupled with proper propellant powder. It’s interesting that our local Wally World has been sold out of most everything of that nature, for about a month, now.
I wonder if that’s a Nationwide phenomena?

mistified January 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

“growth will solve all of our problems, forevermore”
Are you suggesting that shrinkage will solve our problems? If so may I suggest that you lead by example and help shrink our population?

Jimmy Drinkwater January 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

I remember taking my 12 year old son and his friend to see the original Men in Black movie. They had fun, for me it was mostly droll but there was one classic line:
The W Smith character was wrestling with and trying to subdue an alien, which got away.
T L Jones arrives at the scene and said:
“Did he say anything to you?”
W Smith: “Yeah, the world was coming to an end.”
T L Jones deadpans with a straight face:
“Did he say when?”

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

“How the heck are any of these “systems” supposed to fail – if we aren’t even beginning to see a tempering of discretionary energy consumption?”
-bud iz wiser than beer-
Bud, we’re seeing it now. For example, the outer, outer ring suburban developments from the RE peak of ’07, are still sitting boarded up and unfinished. Pine trees are starting to take root in the abandoned streets. I doubt those places will ever be built for housing, not if gas stays above $3.00/gallon.
And there’s a LOT less movement of big RV’s on the road these days, compared to 5 years ago.
Absent some triggering catastrophe – which can be anything from angry Arabs to a natural solar storm – we’re not going to “see” sudden changes in discretionary energy use.
But close your eyes for 5 years like Rip Van Winkle – and you’ll see plenty of change when you wake up.
Picture $10.00/gallon – that will be something to “see,” won’t it.

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

P2C, where is Wallyworld?
Is it near Itchy and Scratchy Land?
–HM

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

“Are you suggesting that shrinkage will solve our problems?”
-mystified, aka not-mommy, aka TootSie-
Shrinkage is inevitable, eventually, Toots.
I don’t have to “suggest” that, because various physical and biological laws compel it.
And, misti, your rape comment to Grouchy was about the most vile thing you’ve come up with lately, and that’s saying a lot.
You wanna’ borrow some of my precious metals and put misti out of our misery, Grouch?
Just let me know what caliber or gauge you prefer, and I can probably help you out.
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On a side note, mysty, your response to PRD? about mass murders in “gun free zones” was completely accurate.
Blind hog meets acorn – every once in a while?

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

Hey CW the Rosenbergs were Atomic Spies who sold state secrets to a reprehensible, murderous regime that wanted to destroy us. That’s two people executed who really were spies. The other side, the Soviets, to whom the Rosenbergs owed their loyalty, in the Great Terror 1936-1939, and again in the Anti-Semitic campaigns 1947-1953, liquidated millions of innocent people in execution cellars, Gulags and Labor Camps for nothing at all, just to maintain terror. There is no comparison.
As far as intelligence services go, the US didn’t really have one until the OSS was set up in the 40s.
–HM

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

“Why choose to struggle against one another? It’s just an age old habit, addiction which ends up enhancing the feeling of being separate. The Fact is we are ONE Being. Brotherhood is nothing to work toward–it simply IS awaiting your recognition.”
-ront-
That is some PRETTY New Age Prose, ront!
Just a hunch – you’ve never been seriously hungry or in fear for your life due to the actions of another, have you?

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

matter-of-fact tone of bit “assertive” male and calm, raspy female voices of commentators depicting the event.
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Thanks Balkan, I thought it was only me that notices such things. The raspiness you speak of is a speech affectation that has evolved over the past few decades to the point of no longer being an affectation and is prevalent primarily among women and, to a slightly lesser extent, among gay men of the flaming variety. There is actually a clinical term for this phenomenon. It is called “vocal fry” in linguistics circles. In this same group of speakers you are also likely to find in play another recent phenomenon of speech termed “up talk” where nearly every declaritive sentence is turned into a question by an upward inflection of the voice at the end. If you are not already familiar with these terms I encourage you to Google them.
I nearly broke the remote this morning in my haste to hit the mute button as one of these vocal fry women was excitedly describing the outfits of Michelle and her daughters.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

War is the very essence of embodied life. Read the Bhagavad Gita. And as you know now, Gandhi wasn’t a pacifist either. The trick is not to make war illegal – since that could only be done by an absolute Tyranny. But rather to be so strong that no one dares invade you.
What you want is only normal in Satya Yuga. That may not be for a while: estimates vary from millions to billions of years, though some say next week.
Buddha said, Struggle there must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. Buddha was a Ksyatria after all, the warrior/ruling caste. And one who attained the Far Shore was known as an Arhat, a Foe Destroyer.
Your posts show the role that Eastern Religions can play in the setting up of an absolute World State – the terrifying one predicted in the Bible.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm #

every declaritive sentence is turned
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Correction:
declarative

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

The Communists weren’t vicious decievers? Is that what you’re saying? Sounds like you are a sympathizer.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

I think I read a part of that in a bookstore. Look for the part where the young Stalin runs down the steet whooping “I’ve got a job with the Rothschilds”.
The author admits his puzzlement but asserts that it seems the world’s bankers supported Communism. That’s where the Communists got their money: from the Bigest Bank of All.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

Oh, so it is incorrect for a person to string the words “deep seeded” next to each other?
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People can string together any words they’d like, Shit-for-brains, so long as they could care less about looking stooopit.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

Hey CW the Rosenbergs were Atomic Spies who sold state secrets to a reprehensible, murderous regime that wanted to destroy us. That’s two people executed who really were spies.

How many spies were executed before and since? The Rosenbergs were symbolic scapegoats. The so-called “secrets” they peddled were harmless. In fact, it was ridiculous to think the Soviets could have done anything with what the Rosenbergs allegedly gave them. They were political sacrifices every bit as much as Morant and Handcock were. Here’s an excellent documentary about the Rosenbergs by their granddaughter. They were brave. Naive, yes, but also brave.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388996/

The other side, the Soviets, to whom the Rosenbergs owed their loyalty, in the Great Terror 1936-1939, and again in the Anti-Semitic campaigns 1947-1953, liquidated millions of innocent people in execution cellars, Gulags and Labor Camps for nothing at all, just to maintain terror. There is no comparison.

Not going to argue with you about the atrocities of the Soviet Union against it sown people. Stalin was despicable piece of shit and what he did to the Russian people was a tragedy, but the Rosenbergs didn’t have to be sacrificed for political purposes. In principle, it was an act of terror to stifle all dissent and underscore conformity. The same thing Stalin did with his terror campaign, albeit, as you say, in scale, there was no comparison. In principle, the purpose and effect were equivalent.
And if you’re so concerned about traitors and treason, and the U.S. Government is so concerned, then how come there hasn’t been a long list of treasonous traitors executed for giving the country away? Ollie North anyone? Reagan? Bush I and Bush II. Clinton? Obama? All of guilty of treason in the first degree, and countless others, but somehow they’ve miraculously avoided execution. You, HW, are a bully. The Rosenbergs were Strawmen erected and burned to set an example. It worked. They were murdered in Cold Blood.

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Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

The Communists weren’t vicious decievers? Is that what you’re saying? Sounds like you are a sympathizer.

There were never any Communists, just as there were never any Capitalists…only those who thought they were. What they actually were, and still are, is something quite different. Both groups are vicious deceivers, that’s for certain.
Sympathy should reside against any form of tyranny, be it disguised as Communism, Capitalism or anything in between.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

Where is the room for diversity in your vision? Traditionally, Liberals have been repelled by such visions – the classic being Plato’s Republic. The Church for example, overlooked Plato for Aristotle – who admitted Quantity and Variety as being important. In correction to his Master, he said that you never see a Principle or Archetype but only relative examples of these. To see Forms in their Purity is for the Few, the Sages in their meditation.
Or from another angle: you think Mexicans and Blacks are going to renounce their ethnic identities? These are all important to them. Only Whites are so weak and gullible to do something like that on command. Or look at the Jews: they had two thousand years of living with others, have they renounced their oppositional culture?
I admit that it can happen, but it can’t be predicted or dictated or even expected. Usually one Culture destroyes or displaces another. Occasionally, two cultures merge – such as the Arab/Negro in parts of the Somali coast. But again, it takes a long time and it cannot be forced or predicted. And it usually doesn’t happen.

k-dog January 22, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

Ty, not hard really. I’m a lazy dog. Speaking the truth is so much easier than speaking lies.
100 years of natural gas he says. And we have plenty of oil he says. Enough to export even.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Chomp.
From last week. Checked my numbers. Introducing the K-Dog coefficient.
1 barrel of oil = 158.987 liters which is also equal to 158.987 cubic decimeters
158.987 cubic decimeters * ( 1 cubic meter / (10^3) cubic decimeters) = 0.158987 cubic meters
Result: 1 barrel of oil consumes 0.158987 cubic meters of space.
Multiply by a trillion to move us into the ballpark of global reserves.
1 trillion barrels = 0.158987 x 10^12 cubic meters
0.158987 x 10^12 cubic meters * ( 1 cubic kilometer / (1000^3) cubic meters) =
158.987 cubic kilometers
The cube root of 158.987 is 5.4174. This will be useful later.
1 trillion barrels of oil consumes 158.987 cubic kilometers of space.
The area of Texas = 696,200 square kilometers.
(158.987 cubic kilometers) / (696,200 square kilometers) = .00022836 kilometers
.00022836 kilometer * ( 1000 meters / 1 kilometer ) = .22836 meter
.22836 meter * ( 39.3701 inches / 1 meter) = 8.9906 inches
call it 8.99
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A trillion barrels of oil poured over the state of Texas would cover the state to a depth of 8.99 inches or 1 kdog.
1700 billion barrels is the remaining global oil reserve.
The remaining global oil reserve would cover the state of Texas to a depth of 1.7 kdogs.
Multiplying by the kdog coefficient ( 8.99 )gives a depth of 15.3 inches.
The remaining global oil reserve would cover the state of Texas to a depth of 15.3 inches.
1 kdog is equivalent to a cube of space 5.4174 kilometers or 3.3662 miles on a side.
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One 3.3662 mile cube of oil is all we have for all future generations of mankind. We need to get offa our asses and get to work going solar. That includes wind and everything else renewable.
Woof!

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

Do you admit then the final piece of the puzzle? That it was always the Rothschilds and their followers that created and funded Communism?
I admit that the Big Capitalists don’t believe in Capitalism. Competition is for suckers, is a “sin”.
The Jews of that time, such as the Rosenbergs, saw Communism as their vehicle for World Domination. Now they are using Captialism and Socialism to transition to World Goverment (Tyranny). It is our sacred duty to oppose them. Of course I admit the Gentile aspect. After the Rothschilds tricked the English by saying Napoleon had won and bought up everything, the King could have thrown them out with nothing but the shirts on their back. That he didn’t shows he was in on it.

balkan January 22, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

veil – EASL!
Wish I could write as I could draw…

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

Do you admit then the final piece of the puzzle? That it was always the Rothschilds and their followers that created and funded Communism?

The Russian Revolution and the form of Government that replaced Tzarist Russia required financing, and yes, that financing came from Western interests. The subsidization of the Soviet Union continued unabated until the end, but effectively, the Soviet Union was done when Stalin died…it just took several decades for the last gasp. That’s the naughty little secret. Stalin and the Soviet Union were the best thing that ever happened to the Western Plutocracy. They could now point their finger and say “look over there if you think you have it so bad” as they robbed the world blind.
Centralization leads to concentration of wealth and power which leads to tyranny. The key is to decentralize and diversify. Make the psychopaths work for it…one person at a time, and deprive them of the tremendous leverage centralization provides.
I will give Stalin and the Soviets credit for kicking the German’s ass in World War II. That was an impressive comeback. The Soviets backs were against the wall at Stalingrad, and they somehow pulled it out and reversed the momentum. The world, including the Jews, owe thanks to them for that, at least. Without that, the Jews were toast…because the U.S. sure as hell wasn’t going to bail them out.

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

Hey Vlad, much of the early $$$ that financed the Bolsheviks consisted of artwork, jewelry and vestments looted and stolen from the Holy Russian Church, Museums, private estates and the Czars palaces and family. John Reed, for example, was initially paid off with $2 million in looted diamonds. The first thing Lenin got down to, besides banning books, was dynamiting churches and executing priests … by the tens of thousands. A lot is made of the Nazis and the artwork they stole in conquered Europe. The Marxists did the same thing, robbing churches and museums that went back 1000 years. They also like to blow up and loot Synagogues and murder Rabbis. Nobody escaped. Nothing like it had ever happened in the history of the world, and maybe nothing ever will.
–HM

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

The Jews of that time, such as the Rosenbergs, saw Communism as their vehicle for World Domination.

No way. The Rosenbergs may have been Jews, but they were not the Rothchilds. They lived a rather meager existence, by comparison. The Rosenbergs were attracted to the idealism that the theory of Communism espoused, and they believed, at least for a time, that the Soviet Union was about that. They were naive and duped by Stalin, as many Communists in the U.S. were. Remember, it was not abnormal to be a Communist in the U.S. once upon a time. The Red Scare changed all that.

ront January 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

Enjoy your gender, culture, community, creed, circumstances, only don’t take it more seriously than your Being. Lasting values need to have their primacy over fleeting pleasures, short-lived comforts, and ego-enhancing identifications.
Look around, the Lord loves variety!

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

Various Masters have said there are worse things than War – such as Cowardice and Capitulation to Tryranny. Meher Baba himself (Ront’s Guru) wrote an essay saying that war often bring out the best in men. Ront is ignoring this as well as Baba’s rejection of abortion.
Disciples are supposed to be dyed in colors of their Gurus; to become “Guru Mukh” mouthpieces of their Gurus. Ront is failing in this – he’s choosing the New Age over his Guru.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

There you go, we’re off to the races! The massacres started with Trotsky and Lenin. As ever, the Jews try to evade all repsonsibility for the evil they have done.
Lenin was heard screaming at Trotsky for his order to kill the Czar and his Family.

ront January 22, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

Speaking of tyranny:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/01/18/the-institutionalization-of-tyranny-paul-craig-roberts/

k-dog January 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

I like this one better.
201 inch TV
Think of it. One long video cable and we could all sit outside and write clusterfuck comments in style.
Not today though, I have fog so thick I wouldn’t be able to see the screen.
Is there something wrong with me because I’m not totally bone away and impressed because all I see is something that is less useful than the screen I’m looking at.

budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

I doubt those places will ever be built for housing, not if gas stays above $3.00/gallon.

Of course. But, as long as our government can print dollars into existence we have no good way of determining how $many are available to buy more gas.
After years of believing that financial sector collapse was inevitable – and that it would collapse the rest of the economy – it now seems more reasonable to look for insight into current consumption patterns for any time frame predicting social upheaval.
When the NFL reports receding revenues from the Superbowl – you can be sure collapse is closer to reality. Eventually truly high inflation-adjusted ga$ prices are certain mean collapse is near as well. You know – when there money or energy to waste anymore.

budizwiser January 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

You know – when there [no more] cheap money or energy to waste anymore.

k-dog January 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm #

The bling of The Russian Orthodox Church was nothing compared to the splendor of ancient times. I want to know what happened to the table of the divine presence.
Who’s got it?

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

Dozens of millions of Human Beings were liquidated in Russia 1917-1956.
CW, this ones for you:
“We have the testimony of witnesses present at Meyerhold’s interrogations. One of the 20th century’s greatest theatrical producers lay on the floor with a fractured hip and blood streaming down his battered face while an interrogator urinated on him. He was accused of belonging to a Troskyist Organization and engaging in espioniage on behalf of four countries: Japan, England, France and Lithuania. Pasternak, Shoshtakovich, Olesha, and Ehrenburg all made their appearance in the stenographic record of Meyerhold’s interrogation, the dramatis personea in what was meant to be a unique spectacle”
Here’s what happened to Meyerhold’s wife, actress Zinaida Raikh, when she enquired about her husband.
“Assassins broke into her apartment through the balcony door. They (the NKVD) murdered her slowly and sadistically, inflicting 17 knife wounds. She screamed wildly but nobody came to her aid. Cries in the night frightened people in those days”.
–Edvard Radzinsky
There’s you glorious Communists, CW.
–HM

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

But how did they get far enough to do that was the question. They had massive funding from somewhere – the book (if it’s the same) admits that Rothschilds were involved. And they did have some help from the foolish goverment of Germany who unleashed them on Russia during the WW1.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

And where there is variety, there will be War – which is better than the absolute Peace of World Tyranny.
Variety calls for morality – which means sacrafice. Are Jews on the West Bank willing to sacrafice their swimming pools so Palestinians can have a drink of water? I doubt it. So that’s war.

Jam47 January 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

The antipathy between the Ukrainians and the Jews goes back at least to the time (17th century) when Poland’s aristocracy employed Jews to manage their estates in the Ukraine.
When Stalin began his war on the Ukrainians, he made good use of the enmity between these two groups. The details are laid out in Uri Selzkine’s “The Jewish Century.” Kevin MacDonald reviews Selzkine’s book in an essay entitled “Stalin’s Willing Executioners.” Stalin’s assault on the Ukrainians has a racial angle to it that most historians of the period seemed either to have ignored or been unaware of.
A few years ago, an academic named Goldhagen (I think) came out with a book in which he claimed that most Germans knew full well that Auschwitz was a murder camp. The book was entitled “Hitler’s Willing Executioners.” Now when MacDonald writes an essay to demonstrate that numerous Jews held administrative posts in the machine that sent two million Ukrainians to their deaths, he calls it(borrowing a phrase from Selzkine) “STALIN’S Willing Executioners.”
What a world we live in.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

You’re not paying attention, HW, and you’re not in agreement with Radu. There were no Communists…..only those who thought they were. Communism was always just a theory. The same for Capitalism. What you describe are the actions of Totalitarian Tyrants. They come in many shapes and sizes and speak many different languages, but they all share one thing in common. OPPRESSION.
Totalitarian Tyranny wasn’t defeated with the capitulation of the Soviet Union. The other strains filled the void, i.e. Corporatism. Anyone who has worked for a Corporation knows it is a Totalitarian Tyranny and very much like Stalinism. Try standing against it. It will destroy you, just as Stalin destroyed his perceived enemies. And yet, HW supports this newer, improved form of Stalinism. HW is a Totalitarian Tyrant. HW is not to be trusted. He despises freedom, liberty and self-determination, and embraces conformity, uniformity, centralization and concentration of wealth and power.

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

Comrade Stalin, Beria, Molotov etc. would have been surprised to learn they were not Communists. A statement like that in 1938 in Moscow would earn you a fast trip to the execution cellars in the Kremlin.
As far as corporations go, they don’t have their own police forces or prisons. If you don’t like the corporation you’re working for, just quit. That’s all. I’ve done it. So have many others. Its called freedom.
–HM

mistified January 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

“People can string together any words they’d like, Shit-for-brains, so long as they could care less about looking stooopit.”
Obviously. You do so regularly. Deep seeded stupidity would explain many of your missives. Deep seated stupidity would apply as well.

mistified January 22, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

“And, misti, your rape comment to Grouchy was about the most vile thing you’ve come up with lately, and that’s saying a lot.”
Well thanks, not-progressive, that is an honor. I’ll make an effort to top this comment when the occasion calls for it.

San Jose Mom 51 January 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

Cornel West is like taking a scouring pad to my retinas.
I am irritated when speakers yell to their audience. I don’t yell, and I prefer others to speak in a regular voice.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

As far as corporations go, they don’t have their own police forces or prisons.

Sure they do. They have the entire Military Industrial Complex at their disposal as one of their divisions. They own the politicians at the local, state and federal level, and they own the police. The police work for them, and they are the prisons, both literally and figuratively. HW, you are a regular Uncle Joe. The sad thing is, you fail to see him in your mirror because of those planks in your eyes.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 4:59 pm #

Comrade Stalin, Beria, Molotov etc. would have been surprised to learn they were not Communists.

I doubt it. Trotsky didn’t consider them Communists, nor did a number of Communist Purists. Of course, you’re right, Stalin killed many of those critics off. In this whole charade, you appear as the Uncle Tom to Uncle Joe, standing dutifully at his shoulder whispering in fawning tones, “that’s right, Master Joe, youse is a Communist. Don’t listen to those traitors who say you’re not. Execute them.”

balkan January 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

Do not even go there unless you enjoy “Pavlov’s’ reaction” (how communist!)to that magic word.
Some pedophiles call themselves a Catholic Priests but no sane person would equate them with Catholicism. With Communists it is apparently different story.
Communism had never existed. Millions of ordinary folks in “Eastern Block” who joined the Party did that from fear of Stalinist leaders at the beginning and inertia in later years. They were simply being born into that system, indoctrinated in a way no different than “free market” and “democracy” that is in here. Joined the Party in similar manner as “sheeple” in US hopped on shopping spree and by some innate desire to steal somebody’s wealth.
For Communism to work entire population had to have such a level of personal integrity, honesty and social consciences like Ayn Rand’s capitalist (sic) counterparts.
Alas and we read and follow the same blogs.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

Precisely.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

Variety calls for morality – which means sacrafice. Are Jews on the West Bank willing to sacrafice their swimming pools…
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You have been unfailingly consistent in the misspelling of the bolded word above for the 4.5 years I’ve known you. Odd, since it’s at the heart of Catholicism. The word is spelled sacrifice, Vlad. Whenever it comes up in something you are writing keep saying to yourself sack-ree-fice, sack-ree-fice, not sack-ruh-fice.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

I am irritated when speakers yell to their audience.
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Yeah Mom, that too. It would be interesting to see a thought bubble above the heads of each other person on that panel during West’s rant. I’m guessing those bubbles’ contents would be consistently unflattering.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

I never knew. What else am I overlooking? Probably the Secret of the Graal or Tesla’s “Free” Energy. He said the Secret was clear from the static created by touching a cat in winter. My cat has been very staticy lately. She keeps getting a shock when I touch her nose. Should I attach a wire to her and try to charge a battery? I think the Secret is buried deeper…
Anyway, I’ll try to remember that i. I guess I’ve been spelling it the way I say it and/or hear it.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

Radu is a Catholic?

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

You’re almost Home. Now for the Final Revelation: the Bankers ARE almost all Jewish. And the Jews support them, wisely or not, for that reason. The Rothschilds did give alot of aid to the new state of Israel and at least one of them is on some of the money I believe.
In Solzhenitsyn’s new book, Two Hundred Year Together, he talks about how hard it is to have a real conversation with the Jews. He acknowledges that others took part in the Atrocities and in the Revolution, the Ukranian Whites also committed atrocities on a wide scale.
But now, the Jews refuse to remember their incredible enthusiasm for the whole thing. They only choose to remember that Stalin turned agains them. Now the Narrative has become the Jews were the victims of Stalinism and Communism, even the chief victims. Thus anything that makes them (you) look bad is instantly forgotten, whereas grievances against you are remembered in detail for thousands of years.

Radu Voda January 22, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

What is Communism but the inverse of Capitalism? Just like M is just W inverted. Your vertical invert is unusual – the usual is horizontal.
In any case, all this is explained in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Gary Allen called it “the Vise” in which the Middle Class is crushed between the Bankers and the Corporations above and the Marxist Masses below – even as the former fund and organize the latter.

balkan January 22, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

Also I meant: ..and NOT by some innate desire…”

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 6:25 pm #

Exactly, more like about 40 years. But I like what Ozone says, and the new verb he uses, because Ozone correctly identifies what we must do: downsize, contract, use less energy:
we’ll become energy independent alrighty, just in an extremely impoverished (and suddenly moped-ed) way.
We all need to stop wasting energy. Not necessarily to become “third world” … not to suffer or die from lack of energy … but certainly to stop the extravagant waste of our first world lifestyle. We can easily live comfortably on one tenth of our energy use. And with a better quality of life. Ask Tripp.

balkan January 22, 2013 at 6:36 pm #

hm
Do you understand what is Jim writing about?
I mean really understand.
I mean is he writing about horrible Russia from 80 years ago?
Suburbia, interstate highways, overconsumption is so USSR?
How do you get this rigged system served to us a “free market”?
Ho’ ‘bout other blogs, say if you do not like Orlov or if Alex Jones sounds too paranoid, albeit not far away from the truth, there are other more sane and best of all written by full bloodied Usonians: Joe Bageant (RIP), Fred , Paul Craig, Drudge, Chriss…?
How in the world one can read blogs like this and wrap his mind around Russia in 20s-30s, Beria, Stalin..and I hope that Tito is not in your repertoire?

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

I never knew. What else am I overlooking?
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Well, you are overlooking the fact that we all die and are soon forgotten. Also, that in the Big Picture, the universe is oblivious and unconcerned with your concerns. Difficult to accept, I know. But I don’t want to burst your bubble…your concerns are so heartfelt and entertaining to follow. And they certainly keep you off the streets. What else would you do with yourself without your concerns about the Jews, Blacks, Women and Commies?

k-dog January 22, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

Bee keeping perhaps?

insufferable January 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

We have an evil government. Just face facts..they are killing people in wars under false pretences. They allow illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals and they make believe they don’t want them here. They allow drugs to come across pourous borders to keep us addicted. They control all our media in a steady stream of reports of negative news and stupid entertainment like the housewives series that undermine good families. They have TSA treat us citizens llike we are going into federal prisons and want to make sure we don’t blow up things and people. They tell us about children getting murdered by children then treat us like children by taking ourguns away all the while they have drones that can take us down in a split second. They yellow us we are doing better financially as more people loose jobs homes etc. Its not howdy doody time folks. Its the twilight zone.

insufferable January 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

Now that we are in the twilight zone we could continue the episode and find out the president is really just a puppet. The government is really just a shadow government run behind the scenes by the CIA or something like that. The banks TV wall street education media transportation food production police health services and Hollywood is really all controlled by the government. They are sitting in their respective super mansions surrounded by people with guns protecting them against the masses whom they fear because of their paranoia. Gee……did I miss something. O yes the ending. We are all “shocked ” when we discover the truth. But of course its just too darn late.

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

they are killing people in wars under false pretences.
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No, we haven’t had a congressional declaration of war for decades. We have “police actions,” we have a nebulous GWOT, we have targeted drone bomb assassinations… but no wars.
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They allow illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals and they make believe they don’t want them here.
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No, they are deporting immigrants in record numbers, year after year, especially the criminal ones. Yes, they want the Dream Act immigrants who are not criminals, did not come here voluntarily, and who want to study or serve in the armed forces.
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They allow drugs to come across pourous borders to keep us addicted. They control all our media in a steady stream of reports of negative news and stupid entertainment like the housewives series that undermine good families.
Nobody is forcing anyone to take drugs or watch stupid TV programs. Take some responsibility for your own actions.
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They have TSA treat us citizens llike we are going into federal prisons and want to make sure we don’t blow up things and people.
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This is George W. Bush’s fault. Don’t vote for or support anyone who voted for the Patriot Act that allowed taking away civil liberties.
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They tell us about children getting murdered by children then treat us like children by taking ourguns away all the while they have drones that can take us down in a split second.
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So far in the USA, no guns have been “taken away” and no drones have “taken us down in a split second”

routersurfer January 22, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

David McAlvaney has read Rand & thinks the rich Lords & Ladies will save us. Just like the “Church” Missions have saved Haiti & Africa. We will all be saving ourselves–or not. The rich are toasted as dark as we are. This is the best the “Right” has?
He makes a goof like President Obama look human.
Jim,great read. Thanks once again. To the wacko’s telling me we have room for 9 billion more people JUST in TX!!! Move to Mitt’s planet.Take Tom & John with you. Scientology was invented to make Mormonism look good.

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

you are overlooking the fact that we all die and are soon forgotten. Also, that in the Big Picture, the universe is oblivious and unconcerned…
You need to look at a Bigger Picture, Kyooshtik. We have all died innumerable times.
http://haigobaigo.hubpages.com/hub/reincarnationevidence
Dying, therefore, is not a big deal since we have done it over and over and over again.

Miss Gayle January 22, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

I have posted your questions at Reddit. Will see if anyone replies.

HenryMorgan January 22, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

Ya, Balkan, I have some idea what JHK is talking about. For me, tho, the verdict is not yet in on his conclusions.
Collapse Watch first brought up the Soviet Union. I just ran with it, probably because right now I happen to be reading a book on Stalin. Otherwise I probably wouldn’t have said anything.
Besides, I thought this was an open forum.
–HM

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

It was brought up indirectly. The focal point of that post was the co-opting of the Mainstream Media by the Intelligence Services, thus turning it into pure propaganda that puts the ignominious Pravda to shame. That post was in to add clarity to a William Casey quote made by another poster. It’s good to know where you stand. You would fit in well over at Pat Lang’s place, if you’re not already a regular there.
For the record, I consider the likes of Bill Casey to be as immoral as Stalin, just not as messy. The likes of Casey knew they could accomplish their task without murdering millions. But if they had no other option, they would have done the same (and will do the same considering what’s coming down the pike). Stalin had other options, but chose to annihilate everyone close to him.

Bustin Jay January 22, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

For the literati:

“If you thought deindustrialization was something that decimated a few unlucky manufacturing towns back in the 1980s, think again. Christine J. Walley’s poignant analytic memoir of family life and class relations after the steel mills closed shows how America is still living out the legacy of those years, decades later. Anyone who wants to understand why the gap between rich and poor keeps widening, why upward mobility has shifted from a collective to an individual project, which misbegotten policies led to this predicament, and how ‘the materiality of class’ affects us even at the cellular level, can learn from Walley’s wise and incisive critique.”

http://www.amazon.com/Exit-Zero-Postindustrial-Chicago-ebook/dp/B00ARKOBX0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1358906429&sr=8-4&keywords=exit+zero
Somebody read this, I don’t have the time…

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

Besides, I thought this was an open forum.
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HenryMorgan, that’s what I thought, too. In my book your comments are always welcome. Your comments are one of the reasons I always come back to CFN… well, your comments and the big checks I receive for commenting here!
Did you check out the Cornel West 5 minute video I linked to?
http://youtu.be/96d_CzrfxsM
Scathing criticism of Obama from my man, Cornel West.
People like Vlad who think all Blacks worship Obama as Messiah are mistaken.

Bustin Jay January 22, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

He plainly states at the end of the video that he is selling his advice and owns precious metals positions.
But the cultural and political essay is spot-on.
He graces his conclusion in standard Strauss-Howe 4th turning theory.

Kyooshtik January 22, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

My cat has been very staticy lately. She keeps getting a shock
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Ways to prevent cat from getting static shock:
1. Increase humidity in home
2. Have cat “put down.” ;o)

Shakazulu January 22, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

“No no no, get up offa your ass walk over to the window”
Blogging is my window to the world. If I screamed out my real window, no one would hear me…I can at least get my frustration off my chest when I blog it. Otherwise things get pent up inside your head like that wacko from Kenya pretending to run things and you go off the rails…thinking crazy like you’re king or something. He’s the second coming of Shaka Zulu, and will destroy all the white tribes of the earth…in collusion with his Zionists Puppet Masters of course.

Jam47 January 22, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

Here in Toronto even the poorest of the poor are able to live in apartment buildings or houses that are centrally heated.
Now go back three hundred years when the only dwellings to be seen on Lake Ontario’s hinterland were tents: How on earth did the Huron and Iroquois survive winter?
Winter living has made me realize why the ancients regarded the forces of nature as conscious beings. To me, winter seems almost a malevolence. It has the power to kill and it does kill.
Since very few people in this city die of exposure during the winter months, few seem to regard winter with dread. I don’t understand their sense of security. After all, sizable sections of Toronto have conked out before–no water, no light, no heat.
Didn’t the ancient Greeks have a story about winter’s awfulness? Some sort of curse involving Persephone and Pluto? And Attica isn’t as cold as Ontario.

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

1. Increase humidity in home
2. Have cat “put down.” ;o)
3. Spray this stuff on cat.
http://www.amazon.com/Static-Guard-Cling-Spray-Fresh/dp/B0013IRBG4
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OK, true story time-
I spent a year working at a veterinary clinic in SW metro Atlanta, that was located in a working class area that was trending, at the time, heavily black.
Folks (both black and white, as I recall) would come in, or call in, frequently – to ask some version of the question, “How much will it be to have my dog (or cat) sprayed*?”
We always had to stop short of answering them, “That depends on what color you want them to be when we are finished.” haha!
*The reader will hopefully understand that “sprayed” is here, a mispronunciation of “spayed,”
which procedure is also known in proper medical terminology as a complete canine (or feline) hysterectomy.
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This was, truly, a lower income area. Canine distemper is a terrible viral disease in puppies and young dogs, and we saw a lot of it – even though the distemper vaccine had been readily available for years, and was not all that expensive.
So, it would be bad news to have a young dog come in that might be suffering with distemper.
It made it worse when the dog’s owner suspected distemper – especially if the owner was correct, and told you coming in, “He may have distemper.”
Except the black owners didn’t usually pronounce it that way. They would usually say, “He may have ‘stemper.”*
True story, here – If I’m lying, I’m dying.
Apparently, their ears heard “dis stemper” and translated it into “formal” English as “this stemper.”
So, when they brought the animal into the “formal” language setting of the vet clinic – they would drop the “dis” vernacular
and shorten “dis temper” to “stemper.”
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It was an innocent and gentler age in SW Atlanta.
Although we did have drugs in the clinic, I did frequently close and lockup by myself, and I always carried a weapon in my car.
Some of us younger employees were always getting onto the vets who owned the place to “hire a Black veterinarian.” They wouldn’t do it. And it was NOT, repeat NOT, because they were prejudiced.
It was because they had discretely inquired among their existing black client base, as to how a new black veterinarian would be accepted at the practice – and discovered that that generation of black pet owners would not have accepted a young black vet, nearly as much as they would have trusted a young white one.
I don’t know how things are there now.
The clinic is still there. I haven’t been back since 1978. One of my vet tech co-workers went to vet school, and came back and bought the old owners out. He now specializes in doing spays for the humane society for really low prices.
He’s fast! Fast enough to do a good job and still make money at humane society pay rates.
I understand he finally hired a black vet.
I really need to get back and see those folks, at my old vet clinic.

Collapse Watch January 22, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

Don’t forget Aunt Fanny’s Cabin. The Squash Casserole was divine.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19821210&id=vsEqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PmgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6766,6058679

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

Good Lord, CW – how do you know about Aunt Fanny’s Cabin?
At one point, right after my wife and I got married, we lived in Symrna, GA – only about 5 miles from there, and probably right about the time that your article was written.
I only went once – as part of a “restaurant takeover” for training/schmoozing for BioGuard Swimming Pool Chemicals and their store owners and managers.
Aunt Fanny’s was kind of expensive, and hard to get in and get a good table – otherwise.

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

The United States of America had practically open borders throughout its history, from its founding until about 1921 (with some notable exceptions such as the Chinese Exclusion Act).
With this policy of open borders, the United States expanded greatly in population and led the world in terms of increases in its standard of living and increases in per capita income.
We still have a low population density relative to other prosperous countries of the world. We have the room and we need open borders to improve the quality of life for all Americans.
To wit, eleven countries are richer than the USA.
1 Liechtenstein 141,100
2 Qatar 104,300
3 Luxembourg 81,100
4 Bermuda 69,900
5 Monaco 63,400
6 Singapore 60,500
7 Jersey 57,000
8 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) 55,400
9 Norway 54,200
10 Brunei 50,000
11 Hong Kong 49,800
12 United States 49,000
Many of these countries that are richer than the USA also have a higher population density (Number of people per square kilometer):
2 Monaco .. 15,255
3 Singapore .. 7,680.77
4 Hong Kong .. 6,479.64
11 Bermuda .. 1,279.26
174 United States .. 31.94
That’s right, the USA ranks 174th in population density with 32 people per square km. Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.
The argument that more population means a lower quality of life just isn’t true. Assimilating new waves of immigrants will be possible for the United States and will lead to greater prosperity for the nation.

asoka.. January 22, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

CORRECTION
To wit, eleven countries are richer than the USA, as measured by GDP – per capita (PPP) (US$) even though they have population densities from 15,000 to 1,300 people per sq. km. while the USA is practically empty at 32 people per sq. km.

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

http://www.newsday.com/news/pentagon-researches-new-life-for-dead-satellites-1.4490287
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/22/company-plans-to-use-firefly-spaceships-to-mine-asteroids-for-minerals
At times like this, I miss beantownbill.

progress4conserving January 22, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

“Many of these countries that are richer than the USA also have a higher population density (Number of people per square kilometer)”
-asoka.., the Grow, GROW cheerleader, as always ignoring how these grossly overpopulated countries get their (imported) food and their (imported) energy and their (mostly imported) water – without which they would experience widespread emigration or widespread death-
This is a peak resources blog, right?
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“Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.” -the soaker hose-
So, is the above an argument in the nature of a general moral platitude?
Or, is it a simple racist argument designed to inflame passions and impede honest dialog?
Does anyone know? Does anyone care?
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This is a peak resources blog, right?

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asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:33 am #

“Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.” -the soaker hose-
So, is the above an argument in the nature of a general moral platitude?
Or, is it a simple racist argument designed to inflame passions and impede honest dialog?
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No moral platitudes, just hard data.
No mention of race at all.
You are the one avoiding dialog by your name calling, which you seem to prefer. Address the argument, not the personal who posts. Your ad hominem is an admission of your weakness and lack of rational argument.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:36 am #

Interesting to you perhaps: Captain Pike reveals that Rand Corporation connection to the original Star Trek. Predictive Programming mind controll perhaps? A Federation of Plantets so why not a United Nations here on Earth. After all, if they can come together “up there” why can’t we? Our differences are SO VERY SMALL compared to their’s, right?
http://www.infowars.com/captain-kirks-predecessor-star-trek-was-rand-corporation-predictive-programming/

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:39 am #

CORRECTION
You are the one avoiding dialog by your name calling (“soaker hose”), and your red herring categories, as if classifying something into one of your three groups automatically invalidates data, data which you refuse to address.
The word prejudice just means to pre-judge without even considering what the data say. It has nothing to do with race.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:40 am #

Thoreau has a few moving paragraphs on that: the very poor of Concord were bent over with the cold, poorly dressed, living in little shacks thrown togther without chimneys – kind of like our tent cities. He compared them too the Indians who had had fur coats and Long Houses heated by roaring fires.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 12:41 am #

Man is very tiny if you look at his body, man is very foolish if you look at his mind, and man is tremendously vast if you look at his consciousness. Three things meet in man. The vast, the infinite, meet in his consciousness, in his awareness. That’s what you become aware of when you meditate: boundaries recede and disappear.
The body does not contain you; in fact, you contain the body. Ordinarily you think, “I exist in the body.” It is absolutely wrong. The body exists in you; you are vaster, you are bigger – not only bigger than the body, you are bigger than this whole universe. It is awareness that holds all.
–Osho

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 12:45 am #

I was wondering why the big to do about Lincoln: now it’s clear. Obama is the New Lincoln – why just yesterday he took his Oath on Lincoln’s Bible and MLk’s too. He’s gotta be a Chrsitian with two Bibles!
But the sinister side: Gun Owners are the New Southern Racists whom he is going to crush.

Soul Pucker January 23, 2013 at 12:47 am #

Do any of you CFNers know if any recent, indebted U.S. university graduate is willing to run in place for hours-on-end for no pay in order to get “Work Experience”? Thanks.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 1:59 am #

We’re approaching a new Civil/Revolutionary War. Will you side with Lincoln or “the South”?

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:01 am #

If I had a son by a Black Woman, I would name him Ford Lincoln Mercury. And if we later had twin boys, I’d name them Luther and Vandross.

Soul Pucker January 23, 2013 at 2:15 am #

Didn’t they used to sell a huge, gas-guzzling car targeting the “African-American” market called the “Lincoln”?

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 4:57 am #

Remember Conan on the Wheel of Pain; grinding the bitter grain of experience into the Bread of Wisdom. Is this not the story of us all? Buddha said none force us to cling to the spokes of agony (sex, women, men, job, cat) but we do it of our accord, from desire born of ignorance. But we can break free like Conan did. Or we can be enslaved under the Black Lincoln. Choose wisely.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 5:16 am #

Great critique of Libtardism by Jared Taylor. It is a Religion btw.
http://www.amren.com/features/2013/01/liberal-name-calling/

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 5:27 am #

Some Blacks like Malcolm X when he was Malcolm Little used to put gasoline in their hair to make it red.
Why not? Why the hell not? It’s no worse than tongue rings or tatoos.

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Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 7:22 am #

Yeah, Biolab was once upon a time a great company to work for, then the Blooms sold out. Great Lakes wasn’t too terrible, but the sell-out to Chemtura was the beginning of the end.

HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 7:40 am #

CollapseWatch,
I’d never heard of Pat Lang but I checked out the site and it seems pretty interesting.
Thanks for the heads up.
–HM

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:32 am #

asoka.., the Grow, GROW cheerleader, as always
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P4C, ignoring the human story, as always. Throughout history, migrants have fueled the engine of human progress. Progress, not “Grow, GROW.” Progress is the human story, change is inevitable. If you look back over the centuries, the story of our evolution has been positive change which diminishes suffering.
The movement of migrants has sparked innovation, spread ideas, relieved poverty, and laid the foundations for a global economy.
In a world more interconnected than ever before, the number of people with the means and motivation to migrate will only increase. That is just a fact that you ignore at your own peril. Organizations like NumbersUSA that try to stabilize, lessen, or stop immigration are on the wrong side of history and that is not a platitude.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:46 am #

We had open borders in the USA until 1921. If you look at the history of the freedom of movement of human beings, it becomes obvious that migration is not a zero-sum game; it brings great benefits to the receiving country, the sending country, and to migrants themselves. Not just economic and growth benefits, though those are not to be denied. Not just diversity of ethnic restaurants, though nothing wrong with that.
Come to think of it, nothing wrong with moral platitudes either. By definition a moral platitude might be trite, meaningless, or prosaic… but not harmful. There are lots of things worse than moral platitudes. But charges of “moral platitude” do not hold up when one examines all the good things migration has done for humanity.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:57 am #

For example, migrants send back home over $350 billion a year, a sum much greater than all world aid granted to developing nations, and a big part of that money goes to education for the next generation. I do not consider education to be a “moral platitude” especially when it is privately funded as a result of private individual effort and a desire to better oneself and one’s loved ones. Why would I object to that?

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:06 am #

And, yes, there are economic benefits from immigration because it stimulates the economy when low skilled foreign workers take the jobs that are not wanted by native workers. This is not a “moral platitude” argument for immigration. By taking jobs not wanted by natives, businesses are able to offer services at a lower price. Studies have shown that USA cities that had high levels of immigration saw reductions in the costs of housekeeping, gardening, child care, dry cleaning, and other labor intensive services. When people pay less for services I don’t consider that a “moral platitude” or “ethic restaurant” or “economic growth” argument for immigration. It just means more money in your pocket. Why would I object to that?

progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:08 am #

“Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else and is talking from anti-immigrant prejudice.”
-the racist resident impediment, using the racially loaded word, “prejudice” for his own purposes-
“The word prejudice just means to pre-judge without even considering what the data say. It has nothing to do with race.”
– the soaker hose, in a second post, re-defining the context of a commonly understood word he JUST used –
And you need to look up “ad hominem.” My two favorite names for you do not fit the definition, because they are not random insults – the are, in fact based on your BEHAVIOR. In my opinion the two sobriquets above are quite accurate in their symbolism, and quite well deserved.
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For example, you charge:
“Anyone who says the USA is “full up” is full of something else….”
“Full up” traditionally means “full up of shit,” so this is an “ad hominem,” on your part.
That’s why you are The Resident Impediment, here, because you frequently engage in the behavior you decry in others.
As to why you are “Our Soaker Hose,” I’ll explain that later, but it is also a relevant descriptor, based on your behavior on CFN.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:13 am #

Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises. Immigration is a net benefit to the USA. Immigrants are job creators who start new businesses and create new jobs. Immigrants also account for around 25% of all global patent applications from the USA. Why would I object to that? What reason? Is innovation and discovery bad? Is having a job bad? Is being able to feed your family bad? Why would I object to immigrants being job creators?

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:15 am #

In a world more interconnected than ever before, the number of people with the means and motivation to migrate will only increase.

Hardly. In a world that’s at the precipice of decline, yet wealth is concentrating at an ever-quickening pace, thus creating an even greater chasm between the haves and the have nots, fewer and fewer will have the means to migrate out of country, let alone in country. Motivation without means withers in short order. The only mobile ones will be the Plutocrats, and they’ll need to be mobile if they want to keep their heads.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:19 am #

Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises.

So? Are you assuming we’re better off because of it? Hardly. In fact, a strong argument can be made that we are worse off because of these so-called “innovations.” Ever heard of the Progress Trap?
http://www.wildancestors.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-short-history-of-progress.html

Wright thinks the truth is more complicated. What makes this book unique and provocative is his notion of progress traps. The benefits of innovation often encourage society to live in a new way, while burning the bridges behind them as they advance. Society can find itself trapped in an unsustainable way of living, and it’s no longer possible to just turn around and painlessly return to a simpler mode. Like today, we know that the temporary bubble of cheap energy is about over, and our entire way of life is dependent on cheap energy. We’re trapped.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:21 am #

P4C, do they pay you to keep the focus on Asoka?
Your focus on Asoka’s BEHAVIOR (as defined by you), instead of the data and arguments he presents, is evasive and a distraction.
This is a peak resources blog, right? We will need innovative ways to deal with an inevitable energy contraction, and innovative ways to deal with global overpopulation. Immigration contributes to such innovation.

HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 9:22 am #

Temp. right now is hovering a little above 0 F.
I realize its an apostasy here to question any aspect of ‘Global Warming’, which seems to be more of a religion than anything else, but I really expected these winters up here to have heated up a little by now. But every day its as cold as a witches left t-t!
Did you see Al ‘Jazeera’ Gore, after cleaning up a few weeks ago selling his ‘Current TV’ network, scored big again with a swindle involving Apple Stock. Say what you want about Al ‘Jazeera’ Gore, the man knows how to make money!
–HM

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Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:27 am #

Remember these metallic behemoths?
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5252222491_e602a8d75f.jpg
Gawd, those were the days. They were as big as a city block, and the trunks could hold at least twenty dead bodies. Mobsters loved them. They don’t make them like that any more. Besides, Up-And-Coming Blacks prefer Land Rovers now.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:30 am #

My all time favorite was the Royal Deluxe II. Man, that was one smooth ride. Nothing compared. The Commies couldn’t build a car like that.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ms5l_saturday-night-live-royal-deluxe-ii_fun#.UP_w3vKKySo

progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:38 am #

“I realize its an apostasy here to question any aspect of ‘Global Warming’, which seems to be more of a religion than anything else…”
HM, no one ever said that “global warming” means all hotter-all the time. And, anyway, “global warming” is an unfortunate name for a more nuanced concept – that being anthropogenic climate change.
To argue that we humans are having no effect as we burn through 100’s of million of years of stored fossil carbon, in a few hundred years – is ludicrous, IMO. And I’m not picking a fight, I’m just stating a fact.
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One thing we are seeing is bigger “swings” in the weather – unseasonable heat, longer droughts, heavier floods – that sort of thing.
It got up into the upper 60’s last week, up here on my mountain. One of my peach trees started flowering. It was 23 last night – no peaches for me, again this year.
The FIRST big vineyard that opened in my region is now closing permanently. The owner blamed unseasonably warm winters, which caused early “bud break” coupled with late frosts.
Climate change is subtle SO FAR (like that sea level rise, that you and I once grappled over) but it is definitely happening. And it’s definitely going to get worse, absent some as-yet-unforseen “miracle.”
http://www.georgiawinecountry.com/main.asp
And yeah, Al Gore is a scum-sucking plutocrat.

HenryMorgan January 23, 2013 at 9:39 am #

What about the ZIS 110? That thing was massive.
HM

ccm989 January 23, 2013 at 9:43 am #

So David McAlvany is blaming old people and their entitlements (Social Security and Medicare) for the possible collapse of American democracy? And a dictatorship will arise in its place? Seems to me that the British Empire collapsed but no dictatorship took its place (unless Queen Elizabeth is a dictator). Seems to me empires are always collapsing and only in third world countries do dictatorships arise (Germany was not an empire so its collapse after WWI into facism doesn’t count).
Dictators can only get power and money by VIOLENTLY taking it away from others. But regarding the collapse of America, like many I have lived through Hurricane Sandy and there was no rioting, no looting, no raping, etc. In fact, people COOPERATED! Yes, that’s right, families helped families, neighbors helped neighbors, people came from all over the country to HELP. And that help continues to this day (although some are still in a world of hurt).
So I don’t think the collapse of the American Empire will be so tragic or swift. The real worry is the dark paranoid fantasies being perpetuated by the NRA that the government is out to get you. Seems to me that the government is too busy with Hurricane Sandy relief, a struggling economy, two foreign wars, etc. to worry about gun owners and their lousy guns. Unless you are cooking Meth in your backyard, the government isn’t interested in you. Of course there is the possibility that the NRA is inadvertently perpetuating drug sales due to their lobbyist activities that demand anyone can have a gun for any reason as long as gun manufacturers profit wildly! That’s the real danger.

progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 9:52 am #

You have only two categories of argument that are in favor of continued high US immigration:
1. Economic growth is always good
2. Moral platitudes
“Your focus on Asoka’s BEHAVIOR (as defined by you), instead of the data and arguments he presents, is evasive and a distraction.
-soaker*-
It’s ludicrous to say I “define” your behavior, your behavior, here, is observable by all.
And your behavior concerning immigration – endlessly repeating your moral platitudes and “growth is good” arguments – is as you put it for us, “evasive and a distraction.”
And, *soaker – after awhile, referring to you as “Asoka,” over and over – begins to be a severe insult to the real “Asoka,” may he rest in peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asoka_%282001_film%29

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 9:56 am #

Ah yes, it was a Beaut. Uncle Joe’s car is quite the collector’s item. It now resides in La Jolla, Ca., but has changed hands many times over the years. It is said that the aroma of Uncle Joe’s flatulence still permeates the cabin air. Old Communist Diehards travel to it, like Muslims to Mecca, to breath in the sacred putrefaction. It’s their special pilgrimage. Still, it can’t compare to the Royal Deluxe II. No self-respecting rabbi would think of performing a Bris in the ZIS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFlDsv06em4

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Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 10:50 am #

Seems appropriate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

bossier22 January 23, 2013 at 11:12 am #

tell it to the Chinese, they’re building a lot of neat stuff. But for the vast majority of that over populated country it is still a shit hole and it always will be.

Lucky 13 January 23, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

Jews, Europeans and Asians.
Never blacks and browns.
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/steve-jobs-s-genes/
Proof positive.
The one ‘African’ who started a Fortune 500 is Indian.

Confusionism January 23, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

Just wanted to add, or have Fred add, to the ongoing conversation between Asoka and the others regarding diversity.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Severus.shtml

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

Four star denial performance by Hillary Clinton. Like all women who are caught, she cried, screamed, attacked, etc. This is taking “full responsibility”. Once Behghazi was taken care of, she cheerfully confirmed that a large arsenal of Libyan weapons is now in the hands of Al Qaeda. How not since they were the rebels? Hillary said “we have to do better”! That’s why we’re doing the same thing in Syria. Those stolen/liberated weapons will now be used against us in Mali.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/clinton-face-lawmakers-benghazi-attack-090039480–politics.html

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

Always Blacks and Browns due to the multiplier effect. Blacks and Browns and low-skilled foreign workers provide services–such as home care or child care–that release skilled workers into the labor market.
What does this actually mean? Here is an example: When a low-skilled migrant from Mexico moves to California and offers affordable child care, a mother staying at home, a skilled professional with a postgraduate degree, is released to join the workforce.
Through the movement of one person, two people enter the workforce, and they will both earn wages that are spent on goods and services. Migration produces its own multiplier effects. Such indirect and second-order effects of migration are still underspecified, and the overall contribution of Blacks, Browns, and migrants to economic growth is therefore underestimated.

progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

“…and the overall contribution of Blacks, Browns, and migrants to economic growth is therefore underestimated.”
-our grow, GROW cheerleader, admitting that things are going to collapse faster than estimated-
Excellent “Fred,” btw, Confusionism. Thanks!

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

How long can a nation of pickpockets, beggars, and con-men steal from each other before the whole shebang falls down? We are about to find out. Diversity is our strength. Yes indeed.
Yes indeed.
“In short, the United States consists of a great many substantial and hostile groups in a way that, say, Japan and Finland do not.”
And Asoka wants more diversity, which as defined by Fred consists of enormously powerful groups whose interests run counter to those of the rest of the country.
I concur with his definition and his current piece is the best argument against today’s ongoing soaked hose spew we could hope for.
No room at the Inn, were full up. Standing room only in the lobby and all those without reservations are screwed. Even if they were born here.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

What does this actually mean? Here is an example: When a low-skilled migrant from Mexico moves to California and offers affordable child care, a mother staying at home, a skilled professional with a postgraduate degree, is released to join the workforce.

This is an example of imported servitude. Disgusting. The bitch with the degree can stay home and raise the kids and keep the home, or she can skip having the kids. Imported servitude doesn’t reconcile that. As if whatever she’s going to do outside the home is of greater importance than raising children and keeping a stable home. Nothing is ore important than that. NOTHING. But tell that to the Libs. Idiots.
And another thing. Lazy-ass Americans can start doing things for themselves, or not do it at all…..like landscaping and child care. Maybe they’d grow up and lose a few pounds in the process.

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

Oops his current piece.
I had too much diversity in my link and it didn’t work.

progress4conserving January 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

speaking of unsustainable growth –
One of my sons and his girlfriend both have jobs that require them to fly. And they don’t fly a lot, maybe every 3-5 months. So, you wouldn’t think their Frequent Flyer Miles would accrue terribly fast.
Nevertheless, they’ve booked a trip to New York for later on this year – and they tell me that the whole thing, hotel and all – will cost them less than $50, out of pocket. Everything else is covered by those Flyer Miles.
Question – how much of our “economy” is already bouyed up by activities that are, at root – frivolous freebies?
Don’t get me wrong, now, I’m thrilled my kid has a chance to do all this for free. Hopefully, it will give him some stories to tell when he’s an old man – about the glittery life we all used to lead in the US, back in the good old days.
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In other news, the first TV reports about this incident after the Falcon’s playoff loss reported that this stabbing was due to a fight between two men over the outcome of the game.
Which seemed bad enough.
Well, it’s worse than that.
They were fighting over FOOD.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01/23/food-not-falcons-led-to-georgia-dome-stabbing/

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

It depends on how you define and perceive diversity. A diversity of approaches is a good thing. One of the main reasons Civilization is failing, and fails, is because of uniformity and homogeneity. Everything under the sun must be uniformly replicated and mass produced to the point the entirety of the world’s inhabitants now aspire to own a refrigerator and a car and so on and so forth. That’s what lack of diversity gets you. It gets you drowning in your own shit.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

Question – how much of our “economy” is already bouyed up by activities that are, at root – frivolous freebies?

As a former CPA, I can tell you this is about booking sales earlier rather than later, or front-loading sales. It looks good in the short-term on the books because it helps hide an otherwise decline, but as you say, eventually you reach a point where you’ve front-loaded so much sales for which you have not yet relinquished service that you have no room left to service new sales because you’re booked servicing the previously front-loaded sales. At that point, the companies that are too-big-too-fail will just renege on those service obligations, i.e. frequent flier miles, and the Gubmint will back them up on it because they’re too-big-too-fail. Then, they’ll start the whole front-loading scheme over again from scratch and all the brainless dolts will get in line and accept their shafting once more.
So it goes.

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

And the skilled professionals can go to the park with their briefcase and pretend they have jobs, falling down style.
I couldn’t agree more about your feeling concerning ‘imported servitude’.
More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better
I read the book and it was great to see my own ideas so well supported with hard scientific fact. The diversity overload is enough to make one doubt their own sanity.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

Chuck Hagel grovels to the Jews, apologizing for telling the truth once or twice. He is just one of a long list of people who have apologized for tellng the truth. That’s what happens when you give one small group of people control of the banking and media. Incredible. Still not enough though – they don’t want him nominated. And there are 3000 Jews in the 1.2 million man army – yet they have all but absolute say.
Collapse Watch got awful silent when the role of Jews in the Global Conspiracy came up.
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/SenHagelRequirementofApologytoJews.html

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

For all the talk of diversity, it’s hardly anywhere to be found. It’s all the same shit coming out of the same old vat. There’s nothing new under the sun. Diversity, my ass. People wouldn’t know diversity because they no longer see diversity. Mass Consumerism and NeoLiberalism detroyed diversity flying the banner of diversity. What a ruse.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

Collapse Watch got awful silent when the role of Jews in the Global Conspiracy came up.

The aversion to Gefilte Fish is trumped by the aversion to skinned heads.
And, that would be awfully silent, not awful silent.
Are you Catholic? Is your name Pat?
Dogs over cats, any day.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

You’re focusing on the wrong aspect again. The Mexican wouldn’t come if it didn’t improve her situation. Collapse gets it right: it’s the White Woman going out to work instead of working at home as a mother that’s the problem. She takes the job that should go to a Man or a single Woman. And the Mexican takes a job that should belong to an American. Get it straight. Our concern should not be them but for us.
That being said, yes, we do bring them here to exploit them. I saw a clip of a new immigrant family, the girl was about 12 and feeling sick. She still had to pick crops. After they’ve been here awhile, they will learn to work the system and begin to exploit us.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

I have outed you, Schlomo. Nice “Persian” attempt. Like Ilya Erhrenberg calling himself “Ashley Montagu”. Own it and begin to critique your own.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

After they’ve been here awhile, they will learn to work the system and begin to exploit us.

That means they pass the citizenship test and become full-fledged citizens of the U.S, because precisely at that point, they have learned how to be true Americans. Screw thy neighbor. Me, me, me. Fuck everyone else. Game the System. There is no tomorrow, only today. Whatever. I could care less. This is the American Dream to which the world aspires.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

Catholic isn’t an ethnic group like being Jewish is. But yes – Gentiles like Prog and Henry have amazing difficulty with this simple concept. Guys, most Jews are atheists and agnostic. They aren’t having kids though while the Orthodox have huge families. So the future is with the Fundies, which means zero chance of Peace in Palestine.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

And who developed modern Capitalism? The Department store? Fiat currency? Predatory Lending? I don’t say only Jews, but they were certainly prominent. But at the top now – it’s Jews. They are the ones who own the Federal Reserve.

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

Praise of diversity is an insult to our own culture.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

If it’s any consolation, Radu, Collapse graduated from a Jesuit High School and received an undergrad diploma from a Jesuit College. Grad school was secular. Jesuits helped Collapse lose his religion. Collapse thanks them for that. Collapse likes Bagels. Collapse likes Larry David, especially this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OZP_4sUs
Doesn’t that look like great fun? How cathartic it would be. Let’s give it a try and see if JFK bans us.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

Praise of diversity is an insult to our own culture.

What culture? All cultures have been obliterated and replaced with buy, buy, buy, more, more, more. That’s not a culture. It’s a defecation.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

Yes, oh yes. I’m proud of you fellas. But are you serious? Have you thought thru the impications? Are you ready to stop insulting Christians? As Washington said, most people need a religion to be good. Take it away and they will invent a worse one like Communism. Stop tolerating insults to our Nation? No more Jerry Rubins and Abbie Hoffmans to be allowed to shit on us with impunity? Bill Ayers to get the justice he deserves? The ADL to be forced to register as a foreign lobby? The Blacks made to behave – or else?
It’s a serious thing to have a Nation. Serious and delicate. It can’t take endless insults to its dignity and laws as the Left has delighted to deliver. Loyal opposition is another thing all together. Learn the difference.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

-our grow, GROW cheerleader, admitting that things are going to collapse faster than estimated-
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Isn’t that what some doomsters want? I have read comments on CFN that the sooner the whole thing collapses the better.
I doubt there will be any collapse. I’m just looking at reality. The reality is there are 27 million immigrants in the USA (SOURCE: F.A.I.R.) and they are contributing by working, paying taxes, lowering the national debt, creating jobs, etc.
I think the more immigrants we have the better. I support freedom of movement of people and open borders. I am a true libertarian who really believes in FREEDOM.

jonathanss. January 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

Good rebuttal. The correct term should be “Global Weirding”.

Confusionism January 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm #

Boo fucking hoo, Vlad, you sound like a whiny little bitch. And you call out Hillary for crying.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

I support freedom of movement of people and open borders.

Illegal Immigration from Mexico to the U.S. can hardly be considered freedom of movement for the poor souls making the crossing. It is a flight of desperation for them, and the risks are substantial. That can hardly be called freedom of movement.
It’s a moot point. Nothing’s going to change from an enforcement standpoint. The only thing that will mitigate immigration and migration is the end of abundant, cheap energy, and that’s just around the corner….any day now, but don’t hold your breath, just in case. Meantime, do your service to humanity, and let the dark-skinned southern neighbors tend to your garden, clean your house, and raise your children whilst you self-actualize in your toxic cube.

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

No its not the left, it is corn-pone brain dead liberals and politicians who hide inequality and the praise of hierarchy behind the word d-i-v-e-r-s-i-t-y.
Diversity is a word that has been politically corrupted to confuse and mislead. It is not used by what you call the left whom I take to mean intellectuals of courage with brains whom dare to think differently, so fuck off.
Diversity in America has come to hide the imposition of a new sheriff in town syndrome, a dilution and confusion of culture. It is the embodiment of the more things change the more they stay the same. You embrace diversity, you are all about differences and maintaining them. You even see them when they are not there.

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

Radu that was for U.

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k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

“I have read comments on CFN that the sooner the whole thing collapses the better.”
Yeah, and you have made plenty exactly like that yourself.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:15 pm #

Oh, someone seems a bit bitter because he has lost his WASP-dominated America. Love it or leave it, loser. You sound like another whiner from the “Greatest Generation”

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

One school of thought is that the sooner things collapse the less the destruction there will be. A softer crash in which there is less damage and in which people come to their senses and we suddenly have the dawning of the age of Aquarius or something.
I don’t hold that point of view. A collapse once begun is a feedback loop of destruction out of control. Sooner or later it is the same thing, terrible and abhorrent and collapse should be avoided by making fundamental changes in the way in which we live our lives.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

No, I have consistently said we have 40+ years, while making fun of the doomsters by predicting collapse… next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.
Why you tellin’ lies, K-Dog? You workin’ for COINTELPRO?

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

It’s rather clear and transparent that you and Radu are puppets who reside on the same hand. Cute little honey trap you’re running. It is entertaining, I’ll give it that….in a Slapstick sort of way.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

The only thing that will mitigate immigration and migration is the end of abundant, cheap energy, and that’s just around the corner….any day now, but don’t hold your breath, just in case.
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Right. I’ve been calling this “just around the corner” bullshit since 1970.
Don’t even try to hold your breath until next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

It is entertaining, I’ll give it that…
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That is the purpose of CFN: cheap entertainment. It makes me happy to know you are enjoying CFN’s doomster schtick. CFN is good for laughs, though. I’ll give you that.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

It sure as hell beats the somber suicide cult over at Nature Bats Last. Those folks are real DOWNERS. Every minute of every day the fuckin sky is falling. Of course it is, for Christ’s Sake, the Universe is entropy. Get over it, and party like it’s 1999.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

collapse should be avoided by making fundamental changes in the way in which we live our lives.
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This has been my message to CFN for almost eight years now. And I have made hundreds of posts with useful information on how to make fundamental changes in housing, transportation, diet, lifestyle, energy use, horticulture, etc.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

And those damn Chinese and Indians just won’t listen. What do you expect? They want the American Dream. They want to self-actualize in a toxic cube whilst their fair-skinned Anglo-American neighbors tend their lawns and gardens, clean and maintain their homes, and raise their children. The wheel goes round and round until there’s no energy left to power it. Then it blows up.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

I won’t call Hillary out for crying, but I will call her out for being bloated. What’s up with that?

k-dog January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

The best advice is to Trust No One. Make like you are in the X-Files and if you want to know if someone is real or a shape shifting fool who is talking to themselves to dissemble the crowd pay attention to the consistency of their thought.
Real dogs don’t change opinion at the change of the wind. Real dogs are reasonably consistent over time in their opinions.
Another piece of advice is to not try and figure out exactly what a particular deceiver is up to or exactly how many people they are pretending to be. To try and figure them out is an exercise in futility. You don’t have enough information and trolls send out false clues on purpose. They will even say exactly what they are to confuse. This is particularly noticeable when they are about to be busted and need to lie low for a few days. They have all the tricks of con men for that’s what they are and teaching themselves to be.
To the best of your ability defend attack and advance the ideas presented here, not the people.
Some of us are not whom we seem. It’s sad but free speech attracts idiots and that means having to sift through a lot of coal to find diamonds.

xhalor January 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

Some thoughts on using women is combat units:
1. What? We haven’t militarized enough of our society?
2. They will be used to collect the guns. Watch.
3. It’s your turn to carry the .50 cal. Go get ’em killer!

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

A Jewish Catholic? It is not impossible, all the first Catholics were Jews. And there are still a few sincere converts. But most nowadays are just moles. And the Jesuits are the worst Order of all now – not even Christian anymore. Anyone remember Fr Drinan of Boston College? One of the nastiest pieces of work that ever walked on two legs. Considered anti abortion folks the forces of darkness – yet he never lost his teaching privledges or his good standing as a priest.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

You are losing the People you leftist trash you.

Jam47 January 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

Earlier today, on a monitor overhanging a subway platform, there was a news note about Joe Biden: he’s thinking of running for president in 2016. Hillary Clinton is probably thinking of running too.
In 2012, these two will be, respectively, 74 and 69 years old, which is to say they’ll be on the verge of becoming aged.
Presidential campaigns are gruelling. Anyone who’s seventy or over and who has the vitality to conduct an American presidential campaign gets my salute. Their constitutions must be extraordinary. And after election comes four years of hard and stressful work.
Maybe it’s a mind over matter thing–an ambition to rule that’s so fierce it supercharges the body’s physical processes. This can’t be discounted. Nonetheless, there have been number of American presidents and British prime ministers who, because of bodily or cognitive collapse, were rendered unfit for their jobs. Or so I’ve read. Here’s a list.
William Pitt the elder
Henry Campbell Bannerman
Ramsay Macdonald
Winston Churchill
Anthony Eden
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
The case of John Kennedy is iffy: whether his adrenal disorders affected his mind is yet an unanswered question.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

And after election comes four years of hard and stressful work.

Nonsense. These pricks are waited on hand and foot. All they’re required to do is stay on script, attend parties and functions, give speeches, and take a ton of vacations where they play golf. They get much more vacation time and perks than the average Joe. They don’t know hard work. Hard work would kill them. Blogging on CFN is hard work. It’s a minefield. Your next step could be your last. That’s REAL stress. Raising children is hard work, and it’s something none of them know anything about. All they had to do was conceive it. All living presidents should be required to finish their days digging for gold in the Congo. That’s hard work and proper penance for the atrocities that flowed forth from the tip of their pens, or their presidential stamps.

Collapse Watch January 23, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

Anyone remember Fr Drinan of Boston College? One of the nastiest pieces of work that ever walked on two legs. Considered anti abortion folks the forces of darkness.

You really are a sicko. You would ensure those children were brought to term and delivered….right into the hands of that most terrible of monsters, Father Ollie and his ilk. Disgusting. You should have your balls chopped off for suggesting such a thing.
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/deliver_us_from_evil
It’s an excellent documentary for those who haven’t seen it.

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xhalor January 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

Here’s an interesting web page I found. Last night I watched the PBS show “Frontline”. The show was about the “untouchable” nature of the executives at banks that were bailed out. Today the Frontline web site hosted a live chat and one of the participants said that Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, would be leaving his post shortly to work for the Covingtion & Burlington law firm. So I went to their web site and searched for Lanny. He appeared on a web page congratulating C&B lawyers. Lanny’s name appeared under the “Litigation” heading. So I went to THAT part of the C&B web site. One of the bulleted “Representative Matters” was…
“Represented Freddie Mac in multiple securities class action and derivative lawsuits brought in the wake of the company’s $5 billion restatement of earnings, obtaining a very favorable global settlement after prevailing on a novel defense to class certification. We also defended the client in related regulatory investigations by banking authorities and the SEC.”
http://www.cov.com/practice/litigation/
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING?

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

In 2012, these two will be, respectively, 74 and 69 years old…
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Since 2012 was last year, perhaps a past tense verb would be more appropriate.
Elizabeth Warren 2016

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

Blogging on CFN is hard work.
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Finally, someone who understands. If it weren’t for the opportunity to earn a high six figure salary and hob knob with the 1% it would not be worth the effort.
Elizabeth Warren 2016

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

[sarcasm on]
Now that we’ve got gays and women and stupid men in combat, I think we should go after the children. The age for military service should be lowered to age 12. We could get a shit-load of kids into the “services” with the right propaganda campaigns and make men and women out of little boys and girls.
[sarcasm off]

BeingThere January 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

Yep, X
I saw it too.
Gotta say, I was calling these mooks the untouchables since I likened them to Myer Lansky and Murder Inc. and sure enough, someone called their documentary “The Untouchables”.
Where I work we listen to WNYC all day so I heard producer and correspondent Martin Smith in an interview.
We should have had these guys arrested and put the banks in receivership and cut them down to size like Reagan did to the S&L’s—-if we were still a country we would have, but now we’re global and that’s why we’re not reacting normally to things that could have been fixed.
If you want to hear it go to:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

Blood will tell. And His Blood is upon you.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

Please sign the White House Petition “Stop White Genocide”. I’ll be looking for you signature, Dave.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-halt-massive-third-world-immigration-and-forced-assimilation-white-countries/WVyzm59F#thank-you=p

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

You want me to go against human nature? Miscegenation happens because people fall in love. You cannot legislate love with a petition to the White House. Your white nationalist ideology is making you stupid.

xhalor January 23, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

Gee, I didn’t know that the Honorable Eric Holder was a partner at Covington & Burlington.
How cozy.
http://www.cov.com/news/detail.aspx?news=1322

xhalor January 23, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

Oops. That’s COVINGTON & BURLING.
In the dark days before Das Internet, how could a simple sumnuvabitch makes these connections so quickly, if ever.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 10:24 pm #

In the dark days before Das Internet, how could a simple sumnuvabitch makes these connections so quickly, if ever.
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You can find whatever you want to find on the internet because it contains a multitude of completely contradictory statements.
If you choose to believe what you read on the internet, without critically evaluating and corroborating the information, you are a fool.
“Google can bring you back 100,000 answers, a librarian can bring you back the right one.”
? Neil Gaiman
Librarians have critical thinking skills that allow them to look at a question from many angles before working on the answer.
Librarians understand nuances that aren’t contained in the text of a book or web site.
Librarians have muti-dimensional problem solving skills. They understand that questions could lead to more questions and answers could lead to more problems.
Librarians recognize differences in their users that search engines have yet to learn. Humans know more about human motivation than computers could ever understand.
Librarians ask questions. They are taught to ferret out the researcher’s real question through reference interviews.
Researchers often don’t know how to ask the right question to get the answer they are seeking. Reference interviews aren’t set questions and answers that a computer can put forth and understand. They are discussions between two human beings that lead to a better understanding of the question by both parties and better answers for the researcher.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

We don’t have a “deficit” problem. We don’t have a “spending” problem. We need more government spending and more investment in our infrastructure and in education.
Both in absolute terms and as a percent of GDP, the deficit peaked in 2009 but has been shrinking since then.
Meanwhile, the government has been laying off workers — including teachers and firefighters — over the past few years in an effort to curb spending. Some economists, including Krugman, say that this austerity has made the economic recovery slower than it would have been otherwise.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

Yes, the John Birch Society warned us decades ago but you Liberals mocked them to scorn. Now you have to pay the piper.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

Sex isn’t love stupid.

Radu Voda January 23, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

Librarians are some of the most ignorant Liberals out there. They’d burn books if they could. As it is, they just put Books on Race in “Research” where people can’t get access to them.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

Radu, it is the same basic energy. Love is the creative refinement of sex energy.

asoka.. January 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

While you were probably supporting George W Bush’s Patriot Act librarians were helping raise awareness of its overreaching aspects. Thanks to W we have lost a lot of civil liberties.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 12:12 am #

P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.
What P4C does not say is that immigrants are beneficial to the countries they leave behind. Immigrants send cash remittances to family, and when they become emigrants they return home with knowledge and experience from their time in a foreign country.
Both countries benefits from immigration.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 12:16 am #

P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.
That’s a moral platitude and a denial of human freedom of movement!

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:24 am #

The main purpose of sex is the production of children not “love”. Thus it should be far more than a mere personal decison based on looks, money, ect. Parents should help find good matches for their children – with both sides having veto power. High level children is the goal. If you daughter brings home Sidney Poitier, she should be read the riot act – as if one Black in a million has his qualifications.

nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 5:33 am #

From:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=181745
Machines are programming people: without anyone noticing it, you are following the “programs”, the “instructions” the machines (but really indirectly what the corporations and their designers (unsure who decides what or who influences who within corporations and such, who’s “will power” dominates, but it is probably intractable just like everything else)) want you to follow, you are executing the behaviors the machines impose on you (in essence you are the computer and the programs are executing you, you are executing the programs the computers decide you must execute and such), but really society and the social construct imposes on everyone, as in all your friends are on facebook and talk through facebook, you must too otherwise you are “cut off”, you are “isolated” and so forth. And corporations want their workers to be always connected, always on, always “reachable” always in “Information Processing Mode”, always in “Communication Mode”, you are not allowed to be “isolated”, an “island”, “an individual” in essence, everyone must know what is on everyone’s elses “mind” and such. A kind of thought control.
It is all a subtle change in the behaviors of Civilization, a gradual change from being yourself to being an extension of Information Machines, without anyone noticing or deciding, but simply playing along.
TV is much better, it is actually much more social and more relaxing, more passive, at least you are not forced to execute a program, you can just passively watch, TV is a much more superior Information Machine, it is actually non intrusive, TV is closer to meditation, to oblivion, to non social than anything else, TV will set you free, Computers will imprison you…
8 man
Thank you for exectuing the above text in your mind, you have once again been called to execute a program on behalf of the machines, you loaded the contents of the text in your memory and parsed it and the process triggered other thoughts, we are all programmers of texts now, all Machine Brain hybrids interacting and programming each other and transmitting Information and “Communicating” a never ending array of texts, ideas, concepts, logic chunks, segments of logic paths intersecting and interacting and colliding with other segemnts of logic (and in the background denoting will powers and fights between ideas and hence people and such)…

nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 5:39 am #

That was from:
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it
and
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

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BareKnuckles02 January 24, 2013 at 7:29 am #

Entire Marine and US Army divisions of homosexuals and women are being formed up to take on the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, and North Korean Infantries.

progress4conserving January 24, 2013 at 7:48 am #

“P4C says immigrants should just stay home and help their home countries.” -soaker hose, confused-
Actually, soak, these are just two helpful suggestions for a better Planet Earth.
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Now, here’s what a moral platitude looks like:
“a denial of human freedom of movement!”
-soak-
Because, you see, the idea that humans should be able to move anywhere they choose on the whole wide Earth – without regard to consequences – is certainly a moral platitude, not to mention being physically impossible.
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Is it possible that asoka..david is getting dumber?
Now, that’s a possible? ad hominem – but it is acceptable, because it is based on soak’s observable BEHAVIOR, on this thread.
Out ’till late tonight.
That’s a statement of fact.

BareKnuckles02 January 24, 2013 at 7:56 am #

Here’s a fact I didn’t see on the Obama Information Bureau (OIB) last night or this morning:
In the first Gulf War two female service members were captured.
Both were raped.
–HM

Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 8:22 am #

Vlad, when exactly did you jump the shark? White genocide? Book-burning librarians? You’re like a clown; you amuse but nobody takes you seriously.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 9:37 am #

About the military increasingly becoming a career path for homosexuals. Well, let’s just say, Ernst Rohm would be proud….and vindicated.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap11.htm

Ernst Rohm once declared that he always took the opposite view (1). In saying this he was not merely acknowledging his spirit of contradiction and his self-confidence. The representative of a truly lost generation, he spoke in his self-revelation for those who came together after the First World War with vague but consistent feelings of opposition, of protest, in the Freikorps and armed nationalist associations, in order to transmute their incapacity for civilian life into extremist adventurism and criminality masquerading as nationalism. Active unrest, readiness to take risks, belief in force and irresponsibility were the essential psychological elements that lay behind the organized nihilism of those whose formative experience had been the war, with its underlying sense of the decline of a culture, and whose heroic myth was the spirit of the front-line soldier. Agents of a permanent revolution without any revolutionary idea of the future, they had no goal, but only restlessness; no idea of values that looked to the future, but only a wish to eternalize the values of the trenches. They fought on and marched on beyond the Armistice and the end of the war, not towards any vision of a new social order, but for the sake of fighting and marching, because the world appeared to them a battlefront and their rhythm was that of marching feet.
“Marching is the most meaningful form of our profession of faith.”

Career militarists are decidedly homosexual. Always have been. They respect and adore each other above all others, and that affectionate admiration translates physically when left unfettered.

zendiego January 24, 2013 at 10:12 am #

Man k-dog and asoka or is it dolphin with lamp on head and “a socca” a nicoise pancake made from chick peas.
Its like a battering ram of moral platitude, or is it the moral platitude of a battering ram.
I’ve seen dogs chase tails (their own), squirrels, cats (oh, not really dangerous) and cars…it never gets old and if you are really brave you can even dream that reality is all about chasin tail.

ComradeDystopia January 24, 2013 at 10:30 am #

It is a curious thing, maybe not too well thought out.
What’s going to happen when large numbers of 20 year old girls start turning up on casualty lists? What’s going to happen when they become POWs of nations who could give a shit less about the Geneva Convention, or by stateless ragtag muslim Terror Brigades? You can pretty much guess what is going to happen. And think of the propaganda uses they’ll be put to.
JHK is right when he states the USA has become divorced from reality. You have to wonder how this place is going to survive.

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“Its like a battering ram of moral platitude, or is it the moral platitude of a battering ram.”
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It’s also like watching a badly played tennis match with someone and their clone.
Besides being a place where you look up information on obscure, dead, poofs, libraries are where you go hang out after you’ve been kicked out of the shelter at 7AM and it’s 9 degrees outside.

ozone January 24, 2013 at 11:16 am #

“It’s rather clear and transparent that you and Radu are puppets who reside on the same hand.” -CW
Now you’re gettin’ it. “They” have absolutely nothing to contribute; in fact, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? To distract, divert, obfuscate, co-opt, contend, warp, and frustrate coherent discourse.
Notice how quickly the pretend person “asoka” got back to you on his “underpowered” ‘puter from his mud hut somewhere in the southern desert hinterlands. lol I’d say it’s got a lot more gum’mint-sponsored technology at its’ disposal than it claims. Scroll on by, even though it won’t make a whit of difference in the volume of posts, you can at least remove the courtesy of a response (which makes it very angry and gets it a chewing-out from its’ superiors for not properly distracting/engaging).

ozone January 24, 2013 at 11:21 am #

It’s obvious that Hilly has taken to the solace of the chocolatier’s arts once again… ;o)

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

Yes, it’s most likely that and a side effect of Boniva.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

The main purpose of sex is the production of children not “love”.

Here you are showing your Puritan Feathers once again. You have obviously never had a delightfully scrumptious, succulent pussy on your face, have you? If you had, you would never make such a statement. Get out and live a little before you’re six feet under.
And that was not a reference to your cat, because no doubt that nasty creature has been on your face.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

Although, in all fairness, you could also be Quaker since they had similar attitudes concerning sexual relations. If so, you have a lot in common with Babs Bush. She’s also a Quaker. Here’s a photo of her dressed to the Quaker Nines.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-owk6wKXtX_M/T3YHYpWdrnI/AAAAAAAAAPM/1kLY5NIrmoQ/s1600/quaker.jpg

Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

C’mon CW, you’ve been around CFN long enough to know that Vlad/Radu is a woman-hater, so no, he he has probably never had a succulent pussy straddling his mug. No doubt this hatred comes from years of rejection from the opposite sex. I’m sure he’s never had a cock in his mouth either as he hates homos, so he says. He may be one of those freaks who is thoroughly asexual, which would not surprise me as he seems to be a complete misanthrope. It’s really kind of sad when you think about it.

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Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

Wow, MTV is really ramping it up with these couple ads. There’s a ring of truth in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P2ZhQrWQj7k

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

He may be one of those freaks who is thoroughly asexual, which would not surprise me as he seems to be a complete misanthrope. It’s really kind of sad when you think about it.

Yes, that’s why I asked him if his name was Pat.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/its-pat/1353781/

ComradeDystopia January 24, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

What’s happening in Davos? Derek Jeter for one, is there. Does anybody care? Davos is where the agenda is being set, the agenda that will determine how you will live. Davos is where it is all laid out, where plans are made. Everybody who is anybody is at Davos. Soros, Buffet, Gates, they’re all at Davos. The skiiing is great, the food and drink is exquisite! Senator John Cary, with his wife’s $260 million, couldn’t attend this year. He has other important business in Washington. There’s always next year.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

Where’s Al Qaeda when we need them? Hell, they’re probably there too, skiing, dining, drinking…soaking in the hot tub. Wouldn’t want to be in the hot tub with them, though. They’re hairy motherfuckers.

Jam47 January 24, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

Ironically, many of the men who hold women in contempt are womanizers, or ex-womanizers. That’s because these men understand women only too well. I’ve known numerous such men. The more they pursue women, the more they despise them for giving in.
To despise and to hold in contempt, is not, of course, to hate. But all three states of mind are a close-related trio.

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Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

Sure, it’s aimed at those pesky PETA breads, but it sets a precedence for labeling any form of dissent against the Corporate State as Terrorism. This is the same shit China pulls, but that’s not surprising, is it?
http://www.alternet.org/environment/states-considering-laws-would-make-it-act-terrorism-report-animal-cruelty-food-safety-or

How do you keep consumers in the dark about the horrors of factory farms? By making it an “act of terrorism” for anyone to investigate animal cruelty, food safety or environmental violations on the corporate-controlled farms that produce the bulk of our meat, eggs and dairy products.
And who better to write the Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act, designed to protect Big Ag and Big Energy, than the lawyers on the Energy, Environment and Agriculture Task Force at the corporate-funded and infamous American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

Chinese Spammer
You can see that I am not the Chinese Spammer by his use of the Resource Box: this is a kit of items and entities Matter – Energy – Existence uses to manipulate itself, to feel itself, to come alive and acquire self consciousness of its structure and such. It is a box of concepts and structures any substrate composed of Information Potentially uses to self create and instantiate logical, symbol and connection structures, logics. Symbol Constructions, Matter to Existence Converters…
But reality uses an Observer type of delimitation to express, manipulate and interact with what is imagined outside of an Observer type: nay, Information and logic segments are used continuously to saturate all points in space time, to give them a justification, since without logic and cause and effect and reasons, all Entities and Matter would appear to a Man Brain type of entity non existent, non decodable and such. But Matter must escape its own logic, must escape the logic it imposes upon itself as logics and logic segments are only inventions, arbitrary inventions, many other kinds of systems are possible; you cannot saturate all with logic and connect all with causes and effects and logic segments, everything escapes such points, just like all of the debates and ideas and and conflicts and controversies over the “Economy” and other things try to find out, figure out a way to overcome the only real reason and basis of everything and namely: the fight, the conflict between contrasting will powers, the conflict between two entities fighting for themselves, A against B, A wins and B loses, end of story, but all of the debates try to figure out a “way out”, try to find a logical segment that could solve “this problem” once and for all without understanding that the problem is structural, will always be because all things are fighting all others, all differences are wars between items, the fight creates existence and there is no way to figure out a way out.
Hence the debates and theories and ideas, the “Politics”, the “Fights” will go on forever, ever more logic segments and ideas and attempts to figure out how to finally solve the conflicts will be created, when the conflict is the essence of all from the outset no matter what, conflict, fight, difference between any two items (and difference always means war and fight, although sometimes they accumulate and merge into one item only to fight another item that accumulates other differences that then decide to become one and the same and so forth, but always fighting and comparing itself to something else) is the elementary particle upon which all entities, all the ideas are made out of and no matter how many logic segments are instantiated, no matter how many ever longer and complex blocks of text, conversations, debates, no matter how much information you throw at the problems, you will never get anywhere, you will always stand still and in fact the Internet with all of its constantly increasing information tries desperately to change the nature of things and solve problems (mostly just people judging things, people love to judge, love to play the part of GOD, as all people think they are GOD and can judge when in all truth all judgments are wrong from the outset, all of what the Man Brain does is wrong by definition since wrong and right and better and worse doesn’t even exist), but it is all in vain and the more in vain it is the more information, debates, ideas, conflicts, controversies, politics and so forth will be thrown at it.
Symbol Generators, Infinite Abstraction Recursions, Infinite Machines ever more complex, symbols and concepts and time…
THE EIGHT

nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

That was from:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=181745
and
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

nameta9 January 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
CINDERELLA CANDY…

routersurfer January 24, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

So Jeter has a seat at the table. Cool. My guess– all they will be listening for is how to turn a $ out of the coming mess. Times change. Fortune passes elsewhere. Time to play EndCiv, again. Thanks Frank! Next year never comes for some.

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

… based on looks, money, ect.
If you[r] daughter brings home Sidney Poitier, she should be read the riot act
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First, Vlad, it’s etc. I know you’re in a rush to get your message out but you should make a habit of proofreading before submitting.
About that movie you’re referencing…WOW, it’s been 46 years already. Today’s young might not even “get” my favorite scene. The father (Spencer Tracy) is processing the implications of his daughter having brought home to dinner a man/boyfriend/fiance (gasp!) as black as the ace of spades. The camera begins to slowly pan in until Tracy’s face fills the whole movie screen and he slowly intones, articulating each word, “WELL..I’LL..BE..A..SON..OF..A..BITCH.”
This was racy stuff in 1967 and I near split a gut.

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

Good discrimination. And yes: few women have much too offer at the level of the mind. The sexes have their own separate cutlures – that’s understood in all real Cultures. They come together in the context of the family: wives, sisters, mothers, husbands, brothers, fathers. Thus the two cultures come together to form Human Society. It’s not a chaos or a free for all as Playboy Philosophy teaches. Hugh Hefner has done major work in destroying the West.
Of course playboys despise their conquests – they are despicable. And the conquests feel they are conquering the men – and typically despise them too. Not to see these things is to dwell in unreality. That old canard of 1st wave feminism, the prostitute/madonna complex is true. Men do see it that way and that is the way it is. Women who have been around much are not good marriage prospects. Thus SMV (sexual market value) is inversely proportional to MMV (marriage market value). MMV does a nose dive after 30 and the playgirls desperately start calling those whom they rejected years ago. Little do they know that their MMV has gone down the more they played and waited for Mr Right (rich guy). What does the typical woman have to offer but her youth, beauty and sweetness (cheerful submission). The first two she squandered on having fun and the third was squelched by feminism.
One caveat: after 30, when smv begins to go down, mmv goes down with it. No matter if she was a virgin or a slut, Nature bats last and she is no longer desirable either for a night or a marriage.

anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

Davos:
How About Throwing $14 Trillion Away for “Green” Socialism …
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anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

And I have ‘been around’ enough to know some Woman Haters luv pussy!
Its the female persona they detest.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

you can at least remove the courtesy of a response (which makes it very angry and gets it a chewing-out from its’ superiors for not properly distracting/engaging).
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[sarcasm on]
My superiors pay me equally for posts generated that are talking-to or talking-about. You are in the talking-about category. Besides, I’m not compensated per post. Click-throughs and scroll pasts and replies are all equal for obvious reasons.
[sarcasm off]
High six figures and benefits just to play games with you? You really believe what you are writing, ozone, that I am paid to post on CFN? Who pays you to post here year after year?
You are more gullible than most.

anti soak January 24, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

And ‘they’ can read anyone’s emails.
Police state. Recently someone whined that I was paranoid, using the PS terminology.
No, I am right. PS alert.
THANKS CW.

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

I strongly discriminate between your helping me with a chronic error like the spelling of sacrIfice and a little error of carelessness like this. This is not nice or necessary. Thanks again for the former. Too bad you can’t tell the difference – which makes me question the purity of your motives. Is it too aid or merely to do the “gotcha”? I admit the prevalence of mixed motives of course…. Real Alchemy is the separation of the inferior from the superior, the dross from the gold.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

His mud hut somewhere in the southern desert hinterlands.
There do not see to be any IP addies going to any southern hinterlands surprise surprise. If you go to the View Stats on the homepage it turns out there is a surprising amount of info if you dig into it.
I’m engaging my front paws now. This is me.
Someone is actually using a puter at the Seattle Public Library right now!
This is me:
24 Jan 14:01:00
SeaMonkey 2.15
Linux
1366×768
United States Flag
Bellevue, Washington,
United States Comcast Cable (50.135.213.9)
http://www.kunstler.com/index.php
kunstler.com/blog/2013/01/commitments-and-obligations.html
Dirt is spraying back between my legs. We have a lot of international viewers but I’ve only seen one ‘south’ from Mexico and One from Costa Rica so far.
So is the dynamic duo 1, 2 or many? We should be able to soon figure it out.
What shall be the 8 mans fate?

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

Someone is actually using a puter at the Seattle Public Library right now!
Not Me, someone else.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

It’s probably Radu. He’s a homeless schizophrenic who has us all fooled. CFN’s very own Fisher King.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqL_ja23Nv0

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

And you want to be part of our Nation! That is the real joke. You are incapable of being a citizen because you fail the ordeal of civility. Saturday Night Live, Letterman, Comedy Central – these are your reality. Mocking Christian Whites is what you people and I do mean “you people” would have to renounce. You sacrifice your biggest pleaure? Not in a million years.
Your neuteured Gentile attack dogs too. Turk sacrifice his public hatred of Christianity? Never. Ozone to stop mocking the Right? What meaing would his life have?

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

Jesus, Kyoo is going to have a Field Day with this. It’s like wrapping yourself in raw chicken and walking along a pond full of alligators. Don’t watch, folks, It won’t be pretty.
Please wipe that foam from your mouth and go see the vet about that rabies shot.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

Interesting stats page, K-Dog.
Since Asoka is obviously addicted to CFN and posts incessantly, I would say Asoka is in Brattleboro, Vermont where the highest number of visits comes from: 883 visits.
Asoka is therefore lying about mud huts, South America, the southwest, etc. You have uncovered valuable information about our Asoka character, who as P4C said, comes nowhere close to the real historical Ashoka.
Good work, K-Dog!

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

Yes, thank you. Being a woman is a performance. Of course the personality itself is a persona or mask over the soul. But women put another mask over their real personality – to hide their ruthlessness and mercenary motives. Of course a woman could begin to fall in love with a man – and then see he would be unable to provide her with the things she so richly deserves. Thus a conflict is engendered in the woman – between her real personality and her mask. It’s time for the man to exit because almost certainly, the mask will win. Or it will torment her even if she she is able to put it away for awhile.
Of course there are real or valid questions. If the woman is Traditional and want children, she has every right to find a good provider. This is where all this comes from. But for Career Women with lots of their own money and who don’t want kids to proceed like this just shows how the Mask can dominate the personality.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

And I thought you were telling the truth about using a computer at the Seattle Public Library.
Somebody is and may be a bit freaked out now too.
So how is the weather in Brattleboro?
The Department of Defense has also been here today. Friend or foe, will we ever know?

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 2:50 pm #

Too bad you can’t tell the difference
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I understand completely the unimportance of ect vs etc. but I do it to continually reinforce my CFN persona slash OCD bona fides.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

Who is surfing the Net at work? Somebody was viewing from Richelieu Foods in Chicago. Is that you, HW? Can you give us some gift certificates for all our hard work? Nah, forget it, we don’t want that toxic shit.
That Brattleboro is nuts. Who, or what, the hell is that? Is it a satellite office of the NSA or DHS? If so, a hardy welcome to you all. Here’s mud in yer face!!

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

Somebody working at Harvard has been here too. Shouldn’t they be thinking?

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

K-Dog, it’s cold in Brattleboro, especially after sundown. Supposed to get to -12 degrees tonight, but they say by Feb. we’ll have daytime temps near freezing.
You suppose our Asoka is on the faculty at that bastion of multiculturalism, School for International Training. That may be where he gets his crazy ideas. Maybe Asoka is an SIT liberal professor, poisoning the minds of our youth? If so, he should spend more time in the meditation building at SIT and less time on CFN.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

Kyooshtik, you are doing an excellent job. Pay no mind to Radu. You are performing exactly as you should here on CFN, as are we all, to make the best clusterfuck we know how to make.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

Someone from King & Spalding in Atlanta took a break from their meetings and paperwork to read the madness. Is that you, Steven Guynn? If so, nice house. Now go kick some ass and make Radu proud. Put women in their place.
http://abovethelaw.com/2012/11/lawyerly-lairs-a-castle-fit-for-a-king-spalding-partner/

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Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

Why is the DoD here? Perhaps they don’t understand satire. Neither do psychopaths. Guys, there’s nothing to see here, really. Be useful and prevent the thousands of rapes that will occur today rather than eavesdropping on the ramblings of harmless Madmen.

Jam47 January 24, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

To Radu at 2:13 and anti soak at 2:16: yes and yes. Things are what they are.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

Diver rescues dolphin
Can you help me get the lamp off my head.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

The DoD has a legitimate interest in folks who want collapse, dream about collapse, and insist collapse is inevitable… i.e., they want collapse so much that they denigrate and deny any alternative visions, labeling them as “cornucopian” …
Such people must be carefully monitored for our national security, donchaknow?
Either that, or someone is bored out of their skull at DoD, and they enjoy the meaningless comments we post here for our entertainment.

Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

Anybody on CFN use any of these: Google, Intel, PayPal, eBay, Yahoo? Migrants founded those enterprises. Immigration is a net benefit to the USA. – Assoka
Let’s have a look at this.
So what have we got? Out of a total of 12 founders of these companies, 6 were American born.
The 3 founders of Intel were all born in the USA as was one of the two founders of Yahoo and one of the two founders of Google and one of the four founders of Paypal. But nevermind these quibbles.
Now let’s have a peek at who the foreign born folks are. Hmmm, all guys who earned degrees in the USA. Now I know this is an unworthy thought but how many were illegal immigrants? If you can believe wikipedia, none.
So these – cough – “migrants” or their parents respected the law of the USA, got their shit together and asked permission to immigrate. LEGAL immigrants apparently. With a fucking PASSPORT.
And omg among them not a single hispanic doing the reconquista. Amazing that. Not one a semi-literate/illiterate, destitute peasant with no docs, no visa, no passport, no permission, no prospects. Or so it seems.
So is your idea that the USA let in only people that are highly educated, that have parents that are highly educated, that immigrate legally? And exclude/deport the rest?
We’re just dying to know.
Founders
Google:
Larry Page: born in Lansing Michigan. His father, Carl Page, earned a Ph.D. in computer science in 1965. Both he and Page’s mother, Gloria, were computer science professors at Michigan State. – per wikipedia
Sergey Brin: immigrated to the United States with his family from the USSR at the age of six. He earned his undergraduate degree at the University of Maryland, following in his father’s and grandfather’s footsteps by studying mathematics as well as computer science. – per wikipedia
Intel:
Robert Noyce: born in Bulington Iowa. He was the son of the Rev. Ralph Brewster Noyce. His father was a 1915 graduate of Doane College, a 1920 graduate of Oberlin College and a 1923 graduate of Chicago Theological Seminary. He was also nominated for a Rhodes Scholarship. His mother, Harriet May Norton, a 1921 graduate of Oberlin College, – per wikipedia
Gordon Moore: born in San Francisco, California. He received a B.S. degree in Chemistry from the U of C Berkeley in 1950 and a PhD in Chemistry and minor in physics from Caltech in 1954.- per wikipedia
Arthur Rock: born in Rochester, NY is an American venture capitalist. He was an early investor in major firms including Intel, Apple. – per wikipedia and one published interview
PayPal:
Ken Howery is a co-founder and managing partner at Founders Fund. Howery graduated from Stanford University in 1998 with a BA in Economics. Sounds like he was born in the US but wikipedia gives no details.
Luke Nosek is a Polish born American entreprenuer. Nosek received a BS in Computer Science from the U of Illinois. – per wikipedia
Max Levchin: born in Ukraine, moved to the United States under political asylum and settled in Chicago in 1991. He earned his bachelor in Computer Science at the University of Illinois. – per wikipedia
Peter Thiel: born to German parents in Germany, Thiel moved to the United States with his parents when he was a toddler. He received his BA in Philosophy from Stanford in 1989 and acquired a JD from Stanford Law School in 1992. – per wikipedia
eBay:
Pierre Omidyar was born in France to Iranian immigrants parents who had been sent by his grandparents to attend university there. His mother who did her doctorate in linguistics at the Sorbonne, is herself a well-known academic. His father was a Iranian surgeon. The family moved to the US when Omidyar was six. – per wikipedia
Yahoo:
David Filo: born in Wisconsin, earned a BS in Computer Engineering from Tulane University and an MS from Stanford University. – per wikipedia
Jerry Yang: born in Taiwan on November 6, 1968, and moved to California at the age of ten with his mother and younger brother, earned a BS and MS in engineering from Stanford. – per wikipedia

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

Immigration is a net benefit to the USA
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Study after study shows this is true: immigration is a net benefit.

Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

Omidyar got a degree in computer science from Tufts University.

Rhino January 24, 2013 at 3:43 pm #

You still didn’t answer my questions.
You cited several companies several of whose founders were immigrants as proof that immigration is beneficial to the USA. So what are we to conclude whern we look at the particulars of these individuals? Apparently none of them were illegal immigrants, all of them obtained university degrees, some have highly educated parents. So are we to conclude that you would accept only those that immigrate legally,that are highly educated, that preferably have highly educated parents? Would you exclude/deport the rest?

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

Bingo
asoka.. replied to comment from Rhino | January 24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
4 Jan 15:33:33 Firefox 14.0
Win7
1440×900 United States Flag
Alexandria,
Virginia,
United States
Us Department Of Defense Network (140.194.40.45)
http://www.kunstler.com/index.php
(No referring link)
Cornicopian motherfuckers at the Department of Defense are advocating unlimited immigration.
Isn’t that sweet.
Not

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm #

Repeating for emphasis:
24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
4 Jan 15:33:33
The only activity in that timeslice.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

Immigrants are 12% of the population and 25% of patent applications. Innovation, intelligence, net benefit.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

Busted!
Asoka is DoD in Virginia.
Special message to K-Dog: back off civilian, cause the DoD has access to technology that can make your life miserable in Bellevue.
Another example of the clusterfuck you have created with your own paws, K-Dog. Asoka is a government-paid Fed. Imagine that!

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

Quiet all of a sudden too.
Can’t say a cat got its tongue, it was a dog.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

Are you telling me to sit?

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

Asoka is Department of Defense in Virginia. But who is Department of Defense in Arizona? Vlad perhaps?

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

I was wrong about it being the oil and gas lobby.
Ozone was right all along.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

No, I’m not telling you to sit. I’m saying you can’t really tell much from the stats page. We don’t know who Asoka is, we don’t know where Asoka is. He could be in the southwest in a mud hut, or in the Seattle Public Library, in mommy’s basement in Athens, Georgia, in Boulder, Colorado, in Austin, Texas, in Ecuador in a mud hut, in Virginia at DoD, in Olympia, Washington (maybe at Evergreen), in Brattleboro, Vermont at SIT, or in any of the locations that show up on the stats page. You are guessing in the dark. Looking for Asoka on the stats page is like looking for a black cat in a pitch dark room. But the speculation certainly adds relevant material to CFN and helps us prepare for the coming collapse, the one that should be here in 40, 41, or 42 years, or thereabout. Just around the corner.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

Repeating for emphasis:
24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
24 Jan 15:33:33
The only activity in that timeslice.
Your usual tap dancing isn’t going to get you out of this one. If it does I’m taking lessons.

Confusionism January 24, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

Ooooo, oooo, K-Dog. Can you tell me where I’m posting from? This is sooo cool. Technology is awesome.

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

There do not see[m] to be any IP addies going to any southern hinterlands surprise surprise. If you go to the View Stats on the homepage it turns out there is a surprising amount of info if you dig into it.
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Holy Shit!! This is amazing…who knew? Talk about yer Big Brother. Next’ll be:
Last time farted: 14.43.12
Vol of gas: 57.3 cubic centimeters
Gas analysis: Egg salad on rye toast w/lettuce, out-gas from previous day’s lunch
Seriously K-Dog, do you understand what all this data means? For example, the entry on me shows 6 return visits. What does that mean?. I clicked out of CFN and went to another site for awhile then came back. It still said 6 return visits. Also, it is tracking how long I am here. If I leave computer on, minimize CFN while I go take a walk for an hour will that hour add to my total time on CFN?
This “View Stats” page kind of kills the notion that we are actually anonymous.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

So 40, 41, or 42 years
These must be the official numbers, probably based on winning all the oil wars too. Thanks.
It would sure suck to be five years old.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

883 visits: Brattleboro, Vermont.
Total Visits: 2744
Location: Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
IP Address: Comcast Cable (75.75.3.229)
Asoka is in Charlottesville! Asoka is a Southern Man!

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

Don’t panic.
So people know I’m near or in Bellevue WA and a private citizen, I’ve already admitted that. They also know I use Comcast. Had the K-Dog presidential race actually gone anywhere you would all know my real identity. I’ve nothing to hide.
Tracking data is based on cookies, you left the page but did not shut down your browser and that is why the number 6 did not change.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:35 pm #

Nice try, but nothing exceptional about that dance, tap baby tap.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

Repeating for emphasis:
Busted!
Asoka is DoD in Virginia.
Special message to K-Dog: back off civilian, cause the DoD has access to technology that can make your life miserable in Bellevue.
Another example of the clusterfuck you have created with your own paws, K-Dog. Asoka is a government-paid Fed. Imagine that!

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

Dog,
Scrolling through the data I would guess that Vlad is in Boise. Would that be your conclusion?
But I thought Vlad said he moved to Idaho then didn’t like it and moved on further west.
Vlad, feel free to chime in. Fear not, I am not re-setting the drone co-ordinates.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

COININTELPRO turned out to be right on.
No wonder that pissed you off so much.
oh yeah
What’s that expression?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Ass-poke-ya I did.

mistified January 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

“Don’t get me wrong, now, I’m thrilled my kid has a chance to do all this for free.”
Well now, there is a big surprise. Not progressive likes free shit.

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

This is a test related to the View Stats page.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

I don’t know yet.
All we have to do is associate a time stamp on a post to activity in the stats log. We will know soon, its only a matter of time. All we need is a one to one correspondence and the busting will be without doubt.
Just like 3:33 PM today.

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

it’s

Kyooshtik January 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

OK Dog, riddle me this. The post above (a test) is time stamped 4:49 PM but I submitted it at precisely 4:41. That’s an 8 minute gap. I have long recognized that the time stamps on the CFN comments are way off from real time.
Now then, the question is, are the times on the View Stats page similarly off? I ask because these time differences call into question the following you wrote concerning Asoka’s location:
“Repeating for emphasis:
24, 2013 3:33 PM | Reply
24 Jan 15:33:33
The only activity in that timeslice.”

Radu Voda January 24, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

Things are developing nicely. You see, it doesn’t matter how you “feel” if they see you as part of “the South”. The choice comes to you whether you want it to or not.
This creep is an Orthodox Christian – a convert from Evangelicalism. This is what hatred can do. Thus he serves the Satanic NWO – which hates Orthodoxy just like all other forms of Christianity.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2013/01/white-christian-and-treasonous-who-will-they-kill/

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

Kyooshtik, do not question K-Dog. I am DoD, just like you were for 27 years. We are brothers.
We know when K-Dog crosses the bridge between Bellevue and Seattle or goes north to Everett or South to Burien.
We know everything at DoD and we are the good guys keeping our nation safe.

xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

Wish I could afford Windows 7. I wish that I could afford a computer that is capable of running Windows 7. Windows 8? Another MS Turd. Hey! why do R&D when you can just buy hot tech companies and assimilate theirs. You will be assimilated. At least I can download Linux source code and REALLY screw up my antique (…ha!) computer.
You know, I just love to read all this personl bickering and government drama.
But, compared to just one simple fact, none of it means jack shit anymore.
350 ppm.
We are about to bicker ourselves into oblivion.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

CORRECTION
We know everything at DoD and we are the good guys keeping our nation safe. WE ARE LARGE. WE CONTAIN MULTITUDES! Largest damn bureaucracy in the whole USA to save your asses from the Muslim jihadists.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

I just love to read all this personl bickering and government drama.
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Me, too. Now that K-Dog has revealed that DoD is monitoring CFN, it makes all the comment thread so much more exciting. K-Dog nailed it: 3:33. Proof positive that Asoka is an employee of DoD.

xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

I have a vision…
Why, it’s Bullwinkle…and he’s wearing a turban.
“Hey Rocky! I’m a Moose-lim!”

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

May Allah forgive you for your blasphemy against Islam.
Play your cards right and you get 72 virgins, too.

xhalor January 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

Ok. Ya got my longitude & latitude, my home address, my preference in after-shave…
Allah and I are in complete agreement. Ya don’t have my Theme Song. An important addition to the Langley archive. As usual, turn the amps to 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Y-VEk7ATs

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

There seems to be an awful lot of protestation to K Dog’s theory. You know the saying…thou who do protesteth…..
For any of you who are DoD, fuck you, ya pricks. What a bunch of loser cowards…stuck with latrine duty. Get a life, you lackeys. The Plutocrats thank you for you for your vacuous servility.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

Although, Radu and Asoka have posted lately, but there is no stamp from DoD. Collapse takes back his comments about the DoD folks. You’re good and decent people looking out for the otherwise defenseless rich folks. We can’t fault you for that. You’re just doing your job. Carry on.
Fond Regards,
Smedley

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

Ya got my longitude & latitude, my home address, my preference in after-shave…
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Yeah, and we got the UN breathing down our neck, so no drones for you.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:11 pm #

Mr. Butler was a traitor.
As you were.
Semper Fi!

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

Do you know of a way to alleviate the symptoms of Bell’s Palsy? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

Although, Radu and Asoka have posted lately, but there is no stamp from DoD.
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Do you civilians really think that DoD would use a public IP address and not use an anonymously secure internet connection that encrypts our sensitive web traffic from hackers, network spies, and insecure networks?
Don’t you civilians know that DoD can surf websites like CFN anonymously, we can hide our online identity, we can hide our internet history and we can do all that from inside of our secure web browsers?
And you clowns are looking at a CFN “stats” page, and begin to draw all kinds of conclusions. Hilarious! You have no idea of DoD capabilities. You are innocent sheep easily led.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

Physical therapy for Bell’s palsy
Four trials studied the efficacy of electrical stimulation (313 participants), three trials studied exercises (199 participants), and five studies compared or combined some form of physical therapy with acupuncture (360 participants). For most outcomes we were unable to perform meta-analysis because the interventions and outcomes were not comparable.
For the primary outcome of incomplete recovery after six months, electrostimulation produced no benefit over placebo (moderate quality evidence from one study with 86 participants). Low quality comparisons of electrostimulation with prednisolone (an active treatment)(149 participants), or the addition of electrostimulation to hot packs, massage and facial exercises (22 participants), reported no significant differences. Similarly a meta-analysis from two studies, one of three months and the other of six months duration, (142 participants) found no statistically significant difference in synkinesis, a complication of Bell’s palsy, between participants receiving electrostimulation and controls. A single low quality study (56 participants), which reported at three months, found worse functional recovery with electrostimulation (mean difference (MD) 12.00 points (scale of 0 to 100) 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.26 to 22.74).Two trials of facial exercises, both at high risk of bias, found no difference in incomplete recovery at six months when exercises were compared to waiting list controls or conventional therapy. There is evidence from a single small study (34 participants) of moderate quality that exercises are beneficial on measures of facial disability to people with chronic facial palsy when compared with controls (MD 20.40 points (scale of 0 to 100), 95% CI 8.76 to 32.04) and from another single low quality study with 145 people with acute cases treated for three months where significantly fewer participants developed facial motor synkinesis after exercise (risk ratio 0.24, 95% CI 0.08 to 0.69). The same study showed statistically significant reduction in time for complete recovery, mainly in more severe cases (47 participants, MD -2.10 weeks, 95% CI -3.15 to -1.05) but this was not a prespecified outcome in this meta analysis.Acupuncture studies did not provide useful data as all were short and at high risk of bias. None of the studies included adverse events as an outcome.
SOURCE: Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2011 Dec 7;(12):CD006283. doi: 10.1002/14651858.CD006283.pub3.
Physical therapy for Bell’s palsy (idiopathic facial paralysis).
Teixeira LJ, Valbuza JS, Prado GF.

s556m5g1m78s January 24, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

from the province, mainly in two aspects: one is the perfect sound level of the central and provincial financial system.It should be affirmed, the central province of the financial system is quite good.Since the 17th National Congress of the CPC, the State Ministry of finance through the deepening of reform, in general maintained relatively stable basis on the proper adjustment of the division of revenue and expenditure responsibilities at all levels of government.At the same time, increased the transfer of the payments, our province will be part of the transfer payment forms of local fiscal revenue, to ensure and improve people’s livelihood and other aspects of fiscal expenditure, effectively promote equal access to basic public services and regional coordinated development of the province.But a comprehensive assessment of the central province of the financial system, there are too many governmental affairs division is not clear, the transfer payment of the special transfer payment proportion is too large, the project, general transfer payment proportion is too small, still need to be further improved.

how to change?The eighteen Party Congress report clearly pointed out: "to accelerate the reform of the taxation system, improve the central and local financial resources to match the power system, improve the public finance system construction to promote the equalization of basic public services and the main functional areas, the construction of local tax system, is conducive to the formation of structure optimization, social fair tax system."Based on this spirit, combined with the transformation of economic development of our province actual, I think the current fiscal and taxation system reform in our province, should be with the central synchronization, but also should be focused on.

is another level, improve the financial system below the provincial level.Actively explore the basic financial guarantee mechanism, to further improve the reform of province governing county and township fiscal management.The key is to grasp the reorientation of finance function and the provincial public finance management is too long, the problem of insufficient manpower, means.Through deepening tax reform, improve the financial system below the provincial level, promote grass-roots government’s public service capacity and financial management level is improved by a large margin.

, improve the central and local financial resources proportionate to the fiscal and taxation system

is also further improve the existing tax system in the financial management system.The financial system is the norm from the central to the financial distribution relationship between local government institutional arrangements.A sound financial system, is not only to promote the region so that the coordinated economic and social development of the financial system security, but also improve the important premise of the public finance system and the market economy system.

finance is "the mother of politics".Public finance has the stable economy, resource allocation, income distribution, supervision and management functions, is the material basis for the government to perform its functions, the system guarantee, policy tools and means of supervision.In implementing the spirit of the eighteen process, the significant responsibility of all-round, side, from small to large to kindergarten development "beautiful China", both are closely linked inseparable.Especially in our province to speed up the perfection of the market economic system and the transformation of the mode of economic development, more important support function.However, this must be a new round of tax reform in depth, in order to make it more adapted to the current economic and social development needs, in order to better play a new role.Reform in finance and taxation

ozone January 24, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

“Do you civilians really think that DoD would use a public IP address and not use an anonymously secure internet connection that encrypts our sensitive web traffic from hackers, network spies, and insecure networks?” Ass-poker
Okay, shithead, I’ll play.
In a word: Yes.
It’s what you call “hubris”, you treasonous fucks.
…And just fucking stop your wankery about your drones that you’re about to apply an extreeeeeme about of hubris (and taxpayer dinero) to.
Do you really believe the Chinese and Russkies have been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses while concertedly being surrounded by the Musclehead Empire? Jeebus and the Baby gawd wept; you need some very expensive satellites to make this continue working. Data from this kind of harware can be made to go away… Oopsie, no mas “eyes in da skies. (And on the cheap too, you stupid massive technology dependents.)
You’re fucked, and you’ll reap your reward right here on planet Earth, dickwads…
Enjoy.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

You’re fucked, and you’ll reap your reward right here on planet Earth, dickwads…
Enjoy.
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Exactly.
Iran, North Korea, China, etc. will all get theirs. Nobody equals the DoD of the greatest country on earth. I am a proud soldier fighting for freedom in a world fraught with danger.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

Figured out the DoD angle. It was the comment Collapse made about Al Qaeda. They are the Golden Boys of the DoD, and they don’t take kindly to calling that Golden Goose that lays the Golden Eggs “hairy motherfuckers.” Well, too bad. That’s what they are, and there will be no taking that back. Now, back to your hot tub in Davos, and a pox upon your privates.
http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Mondo+Bossa+una+Outra+Vez/4522643

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

I am a proud soldier fighting for freedom in a world fraught with danger.

Thank you for your service, but please, take a break. You only have so many layers of skin on your John Thomas and then it’s just nerve, blood and bone. Salvage what you have and rebuild…you’re going to need it.

Collapse Watch January 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

The “view stats” says Java is enabled, but when the browser is reviewed, it is disabled. Anyone else have this contradiction. If you don’t have it disabled, you should. It’s easily hackable garbage.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

Thank you for your service, but please, take a break.
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Take a break? You can do that as a civilian. I cannot. I am protecting your freedom.
Vigilance is the best guarantor of our liberty.
Thank you for your concern, but DoD never sleeps. We are large. We spy on multitudes.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

Embrace the contradiction. It’s one of the ways we at DoD create confusion for you easily led gullible civilian sheep.

ozone January 24, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

Oh dear! Can we collapse into quivering heaps, while beshitting ourselves yet?
“New cyber legislation is being considered, but it is unclear whether it will get through the gridlocked Congress.”
Not to worry, Janet! Savior Prez to the rescue! (How propinquitous and timely.)
“President Barack Obama is expected to soon issue an executive order that would set up a voluntary system to help protect some critical infrastructure and offer incentives to companies that participate.”
^Quotes^ from Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/24/us-usa-cyber-threat-idUSBRE90N1A320130124
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“Incentives”, hmmmm, “incentives”… what could the gum’mint possibly MEAN by that?
Fuggit. Let’s just go snowkiting.

Lucky 13 January 24, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

I love Grooveshark!
Whats DoD?

k-dog January 24, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

Get a newer laptop or net-book. Your problem is that the old hardware is not supported well enough. I’m using a Dell 1545 right now and running:
(uses paw to cut and paste from the kunstler.com stats page)
SeaMonkey 2.15
Linux
1366×768
More specifically I’m running the latest Ubuntu release. Getting the wireless cards to work can be tricky but for me it went without a hitch.
I also have the identical setup on an Acer Aspire D150 which I’ll take with me if I leave the doghouse for a long time. You could pick up one of those pretty cheap on EBAY I think. That one was under $300 new several years ago.
That and a memory stick and you are good to go as you know.
The thing to do is get a newer laptop, you need that so the battery has a better chance of working besides getting the hardware that a new distro supports.
I think Viking gods required bickering into oblivion be done with honor. I’ll be checking.

asoka.. January 24, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

Fuggit. Let’s just go snowkiting.
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That’s the spirit, ozone. Focus on chopping wood, snowshoeing, growing veggies in your greenhouse, and posting on CFN.
Leave threat response to us big boys. We are protecting you, all of you, anarchists and racists alike. We took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Semper Fi!

simike586 January 24, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

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