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This corona virus is something else. It engulfs whole populations in a fog of confounding narratives. Is it no worse than a bad common cold, except for old folks already half-gone with chronic illness? Or does it really slam people even in the midst of life? Well, Wuhan hospital director Liu Zhiming, 51, went down two weeks ago, and gastroenterologist Xia Sisi, 29, and Dr. Peng Yinhua, also 29, and some prominent Iranian politicians, and lots of very sick healthcare workers from Korea to Italy. Whatever corona virus is, I’m not persuaded that it’s a hoax.

One monster banging around in that fog is the narrative that China started this thing simply to get rid of Mr. Trump. There’s a real baby-and-bathwater proposition. Would China, in effect, blow up its export economy for that, i.e. commit suicide? Because a lot of those prior arrangements will probably not come back — the manufacturing supply lines for this-and-that, the fabulous cornucopia of plastic goodies extruded from all those smoking factories and flushed out to the world, the whole glorious let’s-get-rich extravaganza that Deng Xiaoping kicked off forty years ago. It’s looking like the global economy is on the rocks, perhaps for good, as we knew it. Is China as plumb crazy as, for instance, America’s political Left?

If anything, China has only validated Mr. Trump’s point that America bargained away its industrial independence, and must become more self-sufficient again. True enough. Where I depart from MAGA is my sense that the industrial age itself has probably shot its wad, and that whatever America makes of itself going forward is likely to be a much more modest and simpler way of life, without a lot of the dazzling bells and whistles we’ve become accustomed to, and perhaps some genuine hardship.

I say that, readers will recall, because it really all comes down to the energy inputs available and that part of the picture has gone pretty grim in just the past week. The convergence of world events has driven a wooden stake through the heart of the shale oil business. From the get-go, shale oil was a loser because it just cost too much to get that oil out of the rock it was trapped in. It only worked as a financial stunt during the low interest lending orgy of the past decade. It was a magnificent stunt, you understand, goosing US production to 13 million barrels a day — energy independence, with all those short-term feel-good vibes — but it was just a stunt and now it’s over. The reality of this has yet to penetrate the American hive-mind.

Corona virus neatly imploded that financing scaffold, and now, with world business locked down and markets cratering, capital is vanishing. As I’ve averred before, the shale companies spent ten years proving to investors that they can’t make a red cent. Their bonds and notes are sinking into sub-investment-grade oblivion. Some of the major producers — Whiting, Oasis, Chesapeake — have lost over 90 percent of their share value and will probably soon be gone. Who would lend them more money now, even if the money was there? (Maybe Uncle Sam’s wicked step-son, Mr. Trump, if it comes down to that… we’ll see.) Meanwhile, oil is cheap, but demand is gone, planes are not flying, ships are not sailing, stadiums are empty, lots of things are shutting down, and quite a bit of it may not ever come back.

US politics were already crazy enough before all this suddenly happened. The crisis of the past few weeks also saw the supernatural elevation of Joe Biden to the utterly implausible role of last-vehicle-standing in the Democratic Party demolition derby. Who do they think they are kidding? Not only is Joe Biden observably gone-in-the-head — that is, clearly unfit to be president — but he’s loaded down with a steaming, fetid cargo of easily proven grifting offenses so clunky and obvious they would embarrass a South Philly mobster. I’m sure Mr. Biden stayed in the race solely to avoid investigation for his operations in Ukraine and China with son, Hunter.

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839 Responses to “Black Swans, Dead Cats, Live Bats, and Goodbye to All That”

  1. snarkmatic9000 March 13, 2020 at 10:09 am #

    Keep calm and carry on…good luck to all…

    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

      The industrial age itself has probably shot its wad, and that whatever America makes of itself going forward is likely to be a much more modest and simpler way of life, without a lot of dazzling bells and whistles we’ve become accustomed to, and perhaps some genuine hardship.

      This is why I’m around. To this day the number of people who understand arrangements must change can be counted on one hand with a finger left over. Existing arrangements will adapt to a lower energy flow and the laws of the universe will cooperate in this endeavor. Hardship will be the default unless America makes something of itself.

      But if America made something of itself it would be socialist and we can’t have that. No No No. Suffering will be chosen and it will be called wise.

      • Tate March 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm #

        Who says we can’t have both? If I was Karnac the Magnificent, that’s how I would call it: suffering & socialism.

      • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

        The “laws of the universe”? <_< seems like someone should call you out on that one.

        • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

          I believe this is a reference to entropy.

          • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 7:43 pm #

            The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases over time.

          • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 11:00 pm #

            The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases over time.

            You got it – systems ‘evolve’ towards a state of maximum entropy (meaning that all the elements are – to the extent possible – in thermodynamic balance).

            An ice cube dropped in a cup of hot coffee leads to the melting of the ice and the equivalent cooling of the coffee, and a stable state. But maintaining ice and boiling water takes a whole lot of energy.

      • SpeedyBB March 13, 2020 at 2:55 pm #

        In such times do I reflect on a story from the august Dmitry Orlov.

        After 1991, an American, meeting a Russian, is gloating over the implosion of the USSR, and the apparent victory of capitalism.

        The Russian looks at him and responds “First us, then you.”


  2. par4 March 13, 2020 at 10:12 am #

    Fort Detrick, Maryland. Not China.

  3. hmuller March 13, 2020 at 10:16 am #

    I wondered why Trump excused the UK from the travel ban. Then I remembered that 1971 movie “The Andromeda Strain”. Alcoholics and cry babies are immune to the virus.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

      Ouch! That’s a pretty sharp elbow you’ve got there, hmuller!

    • GreenAlba March 13, 2020 at 11:55 am #

      “I wondered why Trump excused the UK from the travel ban. Then I remembered that 1971 movie “The Andromeda Strain”. Alcoholics and cry babies are immune to the virus.”

      Yeah, get back to me when your country has stopped going into pathological hysteria about what it’s going to wipe its tender backside with. My corner shop’s still got loads of toilet paper and no-one’s queuing for it.

      • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 12:26 pm #

        It’s just gallows humor, GA. Glad to hear the thrifty Scots are making those TP rolls last. Film footage from further south shows another picture.

        I have a saying, “If you can keep your head while all those about you are losing theirs – it means you don’t have a clue as to what’s going on.” The danger of the disease may be exaggerated, the danger of supply chains breaking down is very real, and it’s going to get much worse.

        • lbs March 13, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

          Love your quote!

        • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 2:33 pm #

          Scots are making those TP rolls last. – hmuller


          I’ve covered this ground several times over the years but it now seems appropriate to reiterate. Using a ‘hand held bidet’ to clean your anal sphincter is far superior to toilet paper. It also saves those soft anal tissues from the abuse of toilet paper. After squirting your hiney you just need a few squares to dry yourself. Install one of these wonderful devices on each toilet in your home and you will thank me.

          • SpeedyBB March 13, 2020 at 2:58 pm #

            Any professional plumber will tell you that toilet paper wads are a leading cause of sewage pipes getting clogged up. It’s a nasty, unhygienic invention.

          • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 4:18 pm #

            All good advice if you want to avoid a case of the “heinous anus”. I’ve never used a bidet, but it sounds like more fun than a bare-assed frolic through the Tivoli Fountains (or a water slide in South Carolina for you MAGA people).

          • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 4:22 pm #

            Do they sell them at hardware stores? Why not if they are so great? Sounds like the kids would use them in water fights….

            i never saw a purple cow (or a bidet)
            and never hope to see one.
            but i’ll tell you one thing anyhow
            i’d rather see than be one.

            Imagine what Whitman would have done with one…..

          • elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 9:58 pm #

            I’ve been flogging the device for weeks…never go back to any other method. I bought one for each toilet two years ago on your recommendation, and I would like to thank you for the “heads up” (maybe a poor choice of metaphor).

            Thank you.

            Two years ago bought a bidet,
            Hand held, of course…by the way,
            Cold water is bracing,
            It gets your heart racing,
            The results? NO SKID MARKS (Hooray!)

          • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 12:42 am #

            I bought one for each toilet two years ago on your recommendation – elysian


            Thank you for the thank you, ely.

            Your limerick is superior. Walt Whitman couldn’t have done better.

          • Iananna March 14, 2020 at 7:10 am #

            For reasons unknown, the largest, single import item of Nigeria is toilet paper.*
            It was always fun on the hippie trail in the 60s to watch westerners freeking out to find that nowhere east of Istanbul was toilet paper in (what passed for) toilets.
            For women the shock came sooner as tampons ceased in Austria.
            *Followed by baby formula.

          • peter m March 14, 2020 at 8:22 am #

            Plus – a bidet works wonders against ‘roids…ever since living in Portugal that has a bidet in every house, no more…

      • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:29 am #

        No kidding the lack of ass wipe is getting annoying my last jumbo pack is down to six rolls!


        • hmuller March 14, 2020 at 5:25 pm #

          OK, way too much info in that last post.

    • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

      Emphasizing that the UK is no longer part of the EU and that he negotiates with them separately, and also implying he will do so with a pre-existing idea of preferred status.
      He may add them later, probably will, but the gesture will have been made.

      • GreenAlba March 13, 2020 at 3:06 pm #

        Except that his travel ban doesn’t include Ireland either, which remains part of the EU.

        • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 6:08 pm #

          Except that his travel ban doesn’t include Ireland either, which remains part of the EU.

          But not part of the Schengen Area – which I think is where the line was drawn.

          • GreenAlba March 13, 2020 at 7:52 pm #

            So still not to infer anything at all about negotiations, gestures or preferred status.

            In fact he’s said since that it’s just about numbers. Although he’s not known for consistency, obviously.

        • Iananna March 14, 2020 at 7:15 am #

          The Irish Taoiseach (PM), Leo Varadkar is currently in DC for the now abandoned St Patrick’s Day march lobbying for an amnesty of Irish visa overstayers (thought to be around 2M) and snaffling the unused portion of Australia’s quota.
          If it weren’t for his gold courses there Trump wouldn’t give him the time of day.

          • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 7:57 am #

            The time of Trump’s day is given on the basis of utilitarianism, so I have no difficulty believing that. And he won’t forgive Varadkar for standing up to the UK and insisting it honour its Good Friday Agreement pledges ‘unperfidiously’.

            I recall when Trump took office a lot of Irish people in the US got a shock to find that the push against ‘illegals’ swept up a whole lot of them. I don’t imagine they were expecting that.

            ‘Special relationship’ to Trump just means smiling at you while he screws you. If you’re a tiny country that had more clout negotiating as part of a bigger entity, he’s just happy to screw you more easily. So he puts a tariff on Scottish whisky exports, while telling you how much he loves Scaaaaatland. Yeah, whatever, Donald.

          • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:31 am #

            Last I looked we have plenty of whiskey and Scotch in America is is one of the few things we still produce and some of it is damn good.

          • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:32 am #

            Further transporting your whiskey from way over there to way over here produces way to much carbon dioxide so he is helping your effort to curb carbon emissions.

          • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 11:39 am #


            Scotch *whisky*, Irish *whiskey*.

            I’m fine with that benr. As long as you keep those feckin’ chlorinated chickens and that hormone-stuffed beef out of my country. Try to remember your concerns about air miles when you’re trying to sell your produce all over the world.

            I’m the one who wanted to trade with our near neighbours, remember? You’re the ones who thought it would be much more sensible for us to trade with the other side of the world.

            Make your mind up, fella.

            My point wasn’t about the virtue or otherwise of exporting/importing Scotch whisky – I can’t stand the stuff, however important it is to the Scottish economy. It was about Trump’s hypocrisy in pretending he gives a f*ck about Scaaaaatland just because his mother came from Lewis.

          • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 11:44 am #

            And what you produce in America isn’t ‘Scotch’. By definition. And by trading regulations.


            “In the U.S., for example, the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB), a federal agency, clearly defines Scotch as a whiskey “manufactured in Scotland.”

            So find your own name for your pseudo product. 🙂

          • hmuller March 14, 2020 at 5:33 pm #

            I doubt many of our “french fries” could pass a test that strict.

          • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

            I thought they were ‘freedom fries’ now, hm. 🙂

          • hmuller March 15, 2020 at 12:01 pm #

            They were “freedom fries” around 2001-3 when Baby Bush got angry with the French for not joining the coalition in the Iraq War II. The name didn’t stick, just like sauer kraut became liberty cabbage during WWI but reverted to its old name afterwards.

            I don’t recall anyone calling their dog a freedom poodle. Or talking about a freedom kiss. It’s all silly shit, in any case.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

            Yes, I know the Bush story – I was kidding.

            But liberty cabbage? Cripes.

            They could have called it choucroute in support of Alsace. 🙂

  4. Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:17 am #

    Michele Obama is not going to run for anything. She already got her payout for living in a fishbowl for eight plus years.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see someone else get the nomination, and immediately pick Joe as his running mate. This would maintain the imaginary immunity from prosecution that Joe is getting right now from his presidential candidacy.
    It would be worked out, behind closed doors, which minority woman will get to play second fiddle to a white man, when it is suddenly discovered after the election, that Joe Biden is suffering from senility.

    • Iananna March 14, 2020 at 7:16 am #

      I still expect H. Clinton to be on the ticket.

      • Ron Anselmo March 14, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

        Bingo. HRC as VP. Not long after a successful election, as hmuller once said, roughly paraphrased mind you, Biden will be off for his dessert pudding. Then say hello to Madame President. The thought turns my stomach and keeps me awake at night.

    • ThorsHammer March 14, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

      I agree that Michele is probably too smart to choose to run for public office. But what about her husband? If he were to have a sex change operation and call himself Betty Obama would he not be qualified to run for president under the modern system of moral values? After all, Cheney ran for vice president while constitutionally prohibited from assuming that office.

      She would be the perfect candidate for either branch of the Uni-Party. Trojan Horse candidate with the proven ability to Rope-a-Dope the maximum number of voters with Audacity of Hope. Nobel Peace Prize winner AKA “The Assassin” with thousands of kills on his resume. Veteran of weekly planning sessions selecting which wedding party to exterminate by remote control drone.

      How is this more improbable than the DNC selecting as their flag bearer an old man so senile that he can’t even wipe up his own drool and falls asleep in the middle of trying to remember the Declaration of Independence? Or the CIA running as their candidate a gay agent with the name of Buttplug?

  5. izzy March 13, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    Should we actually get an Obama(s) 2.0, and even a fraction of the aforementioned dire consequences already unfolding, they will preside over a calamity only getting worse. One wonders how far the shrewd calculations extend.

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  6. Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 10:20 am #

    Re: the final paragraph, not the words of a man who is ‘allergic to conspiracy theories’. Even if he’s hiding behind the veil of jest, JHK is not above promoting such theories to provoke and titillate his readers.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:31 am #

      I don’t see the conspiracy theory in that paragraph. That’s just politics, trying to figure out what the other side may be doing, from what evidence is available.
      Talking about what schools of thought are out there is what writers do, and why we read what they write.

      • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 10:48 am #

        Then let me take a stab at defining what I consider to be a conspiracy theory. It consists of two crucial elements, and relies on a third.

        Crucial element #1: It goes beyond the available evidence. This part is critical — it’s not a conspiracy if you can see them doing it in public. E.g. it’s not a conspiracy theory that Dick Cheney conflated Saddam Hussein with al Qaeda to make a fake case for the Iraq war. That really happened, we have video of him doing it on the Sunday talk shows etc..

        Crucial element #2: Spin a story about certain individuals and/or shadowy forces causing things to happen, in the place where the above evidence should have been.

        And the third element: Depend on people not to actually hold you to anything you said, or call out anything that turns out to be complete BS. Just spin another story, rinse, repeat.

        To summarize, nobody knows shit about what the Democrat party is planning with respect to Biden, his nomination, running mates, etc. And don’t get me wrong: I won’t be a bit surprised by any bait-and-switch shenanigans, if and when they actually happen. But there are ways show you still honour the distinction between fact and speculation, and JHK just isn’t doing that.

        Elrond — If nobody knows shit then that must include you. — JHK Admin

        • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:58 am #

          I’m seeing words that make that distinction. I see “may”, “story” and “wonder”.
          I pretty much get it that Mr. Kunstler is not claiming any psychic powers to see the future.

          We can all see plain as day that Joe cannot possibly serve as president, and it’s highly doubtful he could even hold up to a campaign. So something else is going to happen.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:24 am #

            Beryl, you’ve put your finger on exactly what makes that paragraph BS: the weasel words. Here’s a sample sentence:

            I’m beginning to wonder whether that black woman will happen to be Michelle Obama, and I’m also wondering whether Barack Obama is behind the scenes orchestrating this.’

            I’ve helpfully bolded the hedging terminology, aka the weasel words. Part of it is real hedging, while the ‘happen to’ part is more of a pose, like putting air quotes around a vocal performance. Try ignoring the bolded words and just read the parts that are left, and the sentence becomes a much more definite statement: “That black woman will be Michelle Obama, and Barack Obama is behind the scenes orchestrating this.” Well, that’s clear, isn’t it? And it’s equally clear that the weasel words added nothing to the meaning of the sentence, nothing at all.

            So what are they there for? They’re there to furnish JHK with plausible deniability – an escape hatch. Without them, JHK would have a much harder time escaping responsibility if (when) the scenario plays out differently and someone happens to bring it up again. He runs his mouth as if he knows something, safely protected by his weasel words: “I said may, I said story, I said I wonder if, you can’t catch me neener neener.”

            In any serious intellectual environment, where people are expected to back up what they say, JHK would get roasted alive for pulling that nonsense. Yet week after week he poses as the guy who holds others responsible for believing “anything goes and nothing matters”. It’s amusing, but also contemptible.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:39 am #

            I still disagree, Elrond, and I don’t see why this is making you angry at him.

          • Tate March 13, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

            It’ll be a black woman, for sure, regardless whether it’s Michelle Obama or not. Two intersectional prizes in one candidate: black & female. Then the entire “Ministry of Truth” (MSM) will conspire to worship said nominee for the entire campaign & beyond. The 25th Amendment will just be a convenient hedge.

          • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 2:57 pm #

            JHK would get roasted alive for pulling that nonsense. – Elrond


            Janos has a hardon for Jews, Women, Capitalists and Walt Whitman. You, Elrond, have a hardon for JHK.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 4:19 pm #

            Correction: Walt may be the greatest American Poets. I merely meant pages of a book using his “leaves of grass” as a metaphor.

            Was he queer? Many say so. I don’t know. Sad if true. There is real evidence to that effect I guess. He never came out though, but he did talk about comforting young wounded soldiers by kissing their lips. And his description of and interactions with women seem quite pale by comparison. But he boast about conquests and illegitimate children, but it may well have just been his bluff kind of bs.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 4:28 pm #

            Elrond wishes he were JHK. But so far he has only managed to be to be the poor Canadian’s, JHK.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:09 pm #

            Q: I have a number of Kunstler’s books on my shelves. As a paying customer, I do take an interest in the quality of the product.

        • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 11:10 am #

          Is it conspiracy that the dem’s stole the nomination from Bernie last time?

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:37 am #

            I don’t rightly know, fugeguy.

            But this time around, at least, I’d say the existence of hours-long voting lines where young people were likely to vote, versus very quick and easy voting at polls where the demographic tends to be older, are highly suggestive of suppression of the youth vote, which just happens to lean toward Bernie. (Weasel words bolded!)

            The Dem establishment definitely has a preferred candidate, in my view, and is not above putting its thumb on the scale.

          • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

            The youth vote did not have to be suppressed. They did not show up and now they deserve what they get.

          • Walter B March 13, 2020 at 1:00 pm #

            Conspiracy theory deniers are a witless bunch to be sure. Wealthy old men, meeting behind closed doors to seal dirty deals that will put other people’s money into their collective pockets illegally is not conspiracy? Well it may be called government, but it is still conspiracy and it is a fact.

          • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 4:20 pm #

            I suppose the head of the DNC resigned in disgrace after the primaries for funsies?


        • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:38 am #

          You have just described the scientific method.

          Collect data. Observe.

          Form a hypothesis.

          Continue collecting data in a experimental format.

          Refine the hypothesis.

          Create a theory from the hypothesis.

          At a certain point the theory becomes accepted as fact.

          Call it conspiracy if you want. The real problem is when cherry picking data in the experimental phase is used to prove or disprove the hypothesis. Politics is constantly guilty of this.

        • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:47 am #

          From the mouth of one of our resident Russia Truth tinfoilers.

          Now that is some tinfoil.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

            Sorry, what? I don’t understand.

        • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:07 pm #

          Attn: JHK Admin: Abuse is not an argument. I at least have made one.

          • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 12:13 pm #

            Abuse? You didn’t promote wild accusations regarding “Russian collusion” on this site?

            You made no argument here. You (in a most cowardly fashion) accused our host of being a conspiracy theorist for musing about something that may or may not be occuring. Your tactics are little more than attempted social shaming.

            And to cap things off (again in a most cowardly fashion) you seek to silence anyone who dares laugh at your nonsense.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:35 pm #

            Hmm, I’ll take these in order. First, what wild accusations? Maybe you’re thinking of someone else? I’ve never accepted the Trump/Russia narrative that drove the Mueller investigation. I think I may have indulged in speculation about Trump helping Russian oligarchs launder money through his real-estate holdings, but I don’t think I ever considered that more than speculation, not wild accusations. Oh, and I definitely mocked his subservient demeanour when he appeared on camera next to Putin, because that shit is hilarious. That doesn’t mean I buy that Russia has kompromat on Trump; I just think he’s a blustering weasel who is intimidated by people who really are what he pretends to be. Anyway, was there something else you had in mind?

            Second: what’s cowardly about coming out right in public and taking on our host directly when I disagree with him? Unlike everyone else here, I don’t even conceal my real name (just click my screen name to view my blog). As for argument, I rather pedantically defined exactly what I meant by conspiracy theory. Have you read what I wrote about weasel words? Do you have a counter-argument that JHK is, in fact, not using weasel words? And if I’m right, which I clearly think I am, isn’t social shaming called for?

            Finally — WTF do you mean, seeking to silence? It’s completely impossible for me to silence anyone here. I don’t have that power. JHK does have it, and he uses it, both deleting posts and banning users as and when it suits him. Me taking my own side in a fight isn’t ‘silencing’ anyone who isn’t made of wet tissue paper.

            It’s your accusations that are the ‘wild’ ones, Nightowl, not mine. Not one of them holds up. And all JHK bothered to do when I took him to task for his weaseling was throw the word shit back in my face. Pathetic, all of you.

          • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

            Ah, yes. Must have been some other Elrond.

            “Weasel words” isn’t an argument. Feel free to explain in detail what “conspiracy theory” was pushed, and provide the exact claims made..

            You engage in cowardly shaming tactics. Not an argument in sight. Only irony — in a comedic sense, ofc.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 15, 2020 at 9:42 am #

            Not an argument? It certainly is a characterization, one which I backed up in very clear terms.

            Nightowl: “Feel free to explain in detail what ‘conspiracy theory’ was pushed, and provide the exact claims made.”

            I have already done so. But if you need me to lead you through it again like you’re five, here you go:

            – JHK has made a bold claim: that Barack Obama is seeking to install Michelle Obama as POTUS. This meets both the main criteria for a conspiracy theory: individuals and/or forces at work behind events, and going beyond (far beyond) the available evidence, which in this case is no evidence at all.
            – He couches this very bold, very evidence-free claim with additional verbiage that adds nothing to the claim or its meaning.
            – The additional verbiage, when isolated, can be seen to serve a very clear separate purpose: to shield James Howard Kunstler from responsibility in the likely event that the bold claim turns out to be false. This is the definition of weasel words.

            JHK can say any damn thing, then wait for the outcome to decide whether it was a joke or a piercing insight. He takes no risk, only the appearance of one, and tries to play his readers for fools.

          • Nightowl March 15, 2020 at 1:12 pm #

            He didn’t make a claim.

            I would think an such a powerful mind would have been able to sort this out rather quickly.

        • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 12:33 pm #

          “Weasel words”? I think that a bit harsh, Elrond. Surely JHK is allowed to think aloud and speculate on his own website. He isn’t claiming to have inside information or a crystal ball.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:39 pm #

            I don’t think it’s harsh at all, hmuller, I think it’s calling things by their right name. JHK has been getting away with it for far too long and calling him out on it, even ‘socially shaming’ him, is about the only tool available to make him change this misbehaviour.

          • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 12:55 pm #

            I don’t think JHK shames easily. LOL

          • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:37 am #


            More douchebaggery.
            You just keep racking em up and showing more people your ass.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 15, 2020 at 9:44 am #

            Then I’ll have to try harder, hmuller.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

          Conspiracy is the way the world works. Take three people, a,b, c: a and b will conspire against c and a and c against b, etc. It may be as simple a matter as talking about them or having conversations they aren’t privy to, but it will be there. Or it could be a plan to hurt or eliminate them.

          In other words, the Anti-Conspiracy meme has always been a media conspiracy against America and the intellectuals disgraced themselves by buying into it. And why did the media promulgate this? Because the Elite ordered them to do so.

          Of course there are bad conspiracy theories, just as there are bad cups of coffee or bad theories of physics. Does that mean there are no cups of coffee or no good cops of coffee?

          Repent. Attain metanoia, a change of heart/mind.

          • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 1:52 pm #

            We’ve been taught no rich and powerful people ever meet behind closed door to coordinate policy and decide our future. Only conspiracy theory nut jobs would think such a crazy thing.

            The MSM loves the term “debunked”. Any ideas they find distasteful, any revelations that must not be known, any embarrassing truths – must be labelled “debunked”. Move along lemmings, nothing to see here.

          • Tate March 13, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

            There’s nothing wrong with speculating about conspiracies. Kunstler’s is a pretty good one as far as they go.

        • abbybwood March 13, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

          I noticed how Forbes had an article published regarding Biden being tested for his mental fitness then it was quickly scrubbed:


        • aibohphobia March 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

          Elrond, I think you have managed to give a description of conspiracy theory which is itself an example of conspiracy theory–if you say that JHK is not distinguishing between fact and speculation (and possibly imply that he won’t be held accountable for purported fact bending) isn’t that an example of conspiracy theory?

          Very subtle! I take my hat off to you 😉

          Of course, my comment could also be conspiracy theory, so it’s just a question of how far down the turtles go….

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:13 pm #

            aibohphobia, whether I am right or wrong in this, I am definitely dealing in facts that are 100% in evidence, namely Kunstler’s own written words right here on the screen.

        • Majella March 13, 2020 at 8:56 pm #

          Precisely what he said, JHK. I immediately thought precisely the same as Elrond. Why not just admit he’s nailed you on this one?

        • elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm #

          “This part is critical — it’s not a conspiracy if you can see them doing it in public.”

          Yet you decry and denounce “personal experience” crap….

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:28 pm #

            elysianfield, I put forth the specific example of Bush/Cheney faking the case to invade Iraq. There is an extensive documentary record of false and misleading statements, planted media stories, misdirection and conflation in that case. The historical record all points in a specific direction, whether that direction suits anyone’s prejudices or not. You do understand that there is a distinction between a factual record and a subjective prejudice, don’t you? Because prejudice is the correct word for your vaunted personal experience — if, that is, you never subject it to a test that it might possibly fail.

          • elysianfield March 14, 2020 at 11:48 am #

            “You do understand that there is a distinction between a factual record and a subjective prejudice, don’t you? Because ”

            Perhaps. But I DO know that sometimes the “factual record”…ain’t. Personal experience can be parsed, and would be, in an educated, sentient person. “Factual record” takes a belief system.

            The factual record may indicate the probable existence of Bigfoot…

            ” Because prejudice is the correct word for your vaunted personal experience — if, that is, you never subject it to a test that it might possibly fail.”

            Well, Elrond, you might be correct in that occasionally I might let a prejudice slip by, but you give me too little credit regarding the continuing observance and the objectivity that I can bring. Wisdom winnowed from the chaff is tested daily.

            Unfortunately, I must remain foolish, unobservant, and obstinate for your meme to work. I might occasionally be one or all of those things, but only occasionally. You suggest a constant.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:08 pm #

            Yes Ely or Eli, both personal experience (certainly as a police officer) and factual record both indicate the Blacks are by far the most criminal of the major racial groups, but Elrond and his ilk will have none of it. It’s all just prejudice in their prejudiced minds – including the court records or FBI crime report.

          • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

            there is a distinction between a factual record and a subjective prejudice – Elrond


            ‘prejudice’ is a word similar to ‘racist’, i.e. in today’s world it always carries a negative connotation. But, I think if we went back to the first time ‘racist’ appeared in a dictionary we would find that such a person was one who believed there were distinct differences between ‘peoples’ and that such differences didn’t necessarily carry a pejorative sense.

            Likewise, a ‘prejudice’ to me is something I am able to pre-judge because of vast previous experience. For example, when I go out my front door and walk on the sidewalk I have a prejudice that the sidewalk will not cave in under my feet. Having walked safely on sidewalks thousands of times I am fearless based on my prejudice.

          • Elrond Hubbard March 15, 2020 at 9:46 am #

            EF: “The factual record may indicate the probable existence of Bigfoot…”

            Now you’re just trying to throw sand in our eyes. Cut the shit.

          • elysianfield March 15, 2020 at 12:41 pm #

            “Now you’re just trying to throw sand in our eyes”

            Can you say “Argumentum ad Absurdum”

    • HowardBeale March 13, 2020 at 10:58 am #

      Anyone not acknowledging that Biden is a criminal, in effect, is just not dealing with reality. To claim otherwise is a definite indicator of mental illness.

      However, there will be emotional children that will fall victim to the claims of the screeching Biden protectors, so it will not always be as easy to differentiate between the insane and the ignoramus; the above post is not subject to that doubt.

      • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

        You talk exactly like people with Trump Derangement do, you just have changed the targets.

        • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:40 am #

          No Biden is clearly engaging in acts that if Trump was caught doing you and all the other screwballs on this site that hate him would be howling for impeachment, trial and (insert ridiculous hyperbole in next example)execution for treason.

    • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      L. Ron, I’d say that has been traditionally true of JHK’s posts but now they are more observations.

      I forget who I am stealing this from but to paraphrase a famous quote from someone, ” We have transitioned from the role of prophet to one of historian.”

      • SW March 13, 2020 at 11:40 am #

        On one newscast I saw before the Michigan primary Biden was asked a question about taking away guns. First he smiled and made some vanilla remark THEN he started cursing the man who asked the question. On the PBS Newshour that night they had the exact same clip but cut off the last part — only showed the teeth-whitened smile. Burst of anger are one of the symptoms of Alzheimers and this isn’t the first time he’s done it. Biden’ sudden elevation to front-runner after South Carolina and Mayor Pete and Amy’s instant support (proving they’re as venal as I always suspected) I think does mean there’s plenty of backroom dealing. There’s a lot of talk about “energizing the base” which means minorities so one will be nominated for VP. They know they’ve lost the “deplorable” working class unless they actually have a real plan for universal health care. They don’t and they don’t want one either. Health care stocks surged 10% after Biden won S.C.

      • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:22 pm #

        Cassandra. Start to finish.

  7. Epicur March 13, 2020 at 10:22 am #

    “Who would lend them more money now, even if the money was there?”

    People forget, these days, that capitalism is actually about producing excess goods and then investing the excess to produce more. Capitalism is NOT about having a printing press.

    For the next couple of decades, the major US asset is going to be the ability to produce food in abundance. People will be hard pressed to come up with something to swap for it, but oil will be one of the things.

    When the printing presses slow down our appetite for trinkets and geegaws from the sweatshops of the world will wane, and the willingness of our populace to do a little sweating themselves will wax.

    Interesting times.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:26 am #

      Way back when I was in grade school, they used to use the term “bread basket” when they taught us about trade.
      I don’t know what they teach kids now, or if they even teach them about trade at all.

      • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:43 am #

        They are teaching them Socialism is good and capitalisms is bad.
        Look at what the younger generation are all about.
        It’s not hard work to get ahead its about iphones and hand outs.

    • Epicur March 13, 2020 at 10:28 am #

      And I should note that before the printing presses slow down we will push them into hyperdrive until we reach the saturation limit of that “prosperity”.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 10:33 am #

      People forget, these days, that capitalism is actually about producing excess goods and then investing the excess to produce more. Capitalism is NOT about having a printing press.

      Trouble is, that excess has been steadily shrinking for quite some time now with the concurrent reduction of oil’s EROEI. Debt alone has been the magical elixir to keep the whole Ponzi going. And since money is issued as debt, yes, it’s entirely fair to say that 21st century oil-based capitalism is ALL about having a printing press.

      There’s also no evidence yet that our appetite for trinkets and geegaws will diminish, although I’m willing to be persuaded if it eventually proves otherwise. From the looks of the stuff people were carting out of the local Supermarket at 6:00 AM this morning (after a 20 minute wait in line, no less), it certainly hasn’t diminished yet.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:50 am #

        Toilet paper and bottled water are trinkets?
        I don’t get the bottled water. Won’t we still have water in our homes if there is some sort of lockdown imposed?

        • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 10:52 am #

          storing water is for earthquake prep, not pandemics.

          • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:21 am #

            We had an earthquake just the other day.

          • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

            Unless you have shitty municipal water so overdosed with chloramine that you smell it at the faucet, like just standing there, not trying, not bending over to sniff or anything. Your kitchen faucet smells like a goddam swimming pool. All the time. Not uncommon in America now.
            And for the unaware – while chlorine can be coaxed out of your drinking water, chloramine (Chlorine bonded with Ammonia) can not. And then of course fluoride is in there, AND then maybe a local factory dumped Erin Brockovitch chemicals (hexavalent chromium etc etc) illegally years back which made a lovely bee-line to the well field, fucking it good. (Let’s say the Salad-shooter people did that willfully and knowingly…..how about cuz they did)
            So if all that bothers your pesticide and GMO-pounded digestive system and you already have numerous severe food intolerances, are strict FODMAP or sick as hell, and you have to buy drinking water anyway, then you have to stock up.
            LOTS of people not in this particular shithole town have CAFO-ruined wells, bad municipal water of their own etc etc. Lots. So you have to plan. Or, drink toxins in lockdown.
            People are way too quick to judge others as if the stranger’s lives are all exactly like their own.
            Also, you should check what’s in your own muni-water, you may be surprised.

          • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:46 am #

            You forgot to add the chemical California was using MBTE before it was banned.
            Most ways of purifying water won’t remove it.


        • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:11 am #

          I don’t either. Toilet paper is more of a fetish, to my mind. There’s actually plenty of it out there, it’s now just sitting on people shelves gathering dust in the fear that it won’t be there. Classic hoarding mentality for something that’s mostly non-essential.

          • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:56 am #

            Indeed. Entirely non-essential, actually.

            I survived 2 months in Nepal without it, and if you can do it there, you can do it anywhere.


          • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:57 am #

            Good point.

          • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 5:07 pm #

            Two months in Nepal

            You’ve been around my friend

            If I’m not mistaken a former commentor here, Ozone, also visited Nepal.


          • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 7:16 pm #


            Almost did me in, too (got very sick). Can’t say I will be going back, but it did help me understand how lucky I am to live in the West.

            That said, great people there for the most part, and the Himalayas and open air cremations at Pashupatinath Temple are the closest I have come to having a truly spiritual experience.

        • Billy Hill March 13, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          Won’t we still have water in our homes if there is some sort of lockdown imposed?

          You might add to the above: power, internet, cell phone.

          The answer to your question is maybe. There are supply chains for each and operations and maintenance.

          Presumably in a pandemic after health-care workers power and water utility workers would be next in line for a vaccine, should such exist and be effective.

          Given a longer time horizon based on the present trajectories unless you have a well and a way to power it off grid (or a dug well) there are no guarantees in life, short of death and taxes.

      • Epicur March 13, 2020 at 10:53 am #

        “There’s also no evidence yet that our appetite for trinkets and geegaws will diminish, …”

        True dat, but then the printing presses haven’t slowed…yet.

        • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:12 am #

          Yep. Gonna be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

  8. ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    I think you’re onto something with the Obama switcheroo scam, Jim. All of the chocolate Obama goodness with none of the bitter Clinton aftertaste. What’s not to love? Poor old Joe – drool cup running over by that time – will never even know what hit him.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:41 pm #

      Apparently George Bush and Michelle Obama are a “thing”. Why not them as King and Queen? Barack can be the power behind the throne. It would certainly make the job of Historians easier when they wish to assign a date for the Fall of America.

  9. Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:23 am #

    Democrat voters already rejected every female and dark-skinned candidate. Look what they did back in 1972. They haven’t changed, they have only gotten worse.

  10. Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 10:25 am #

    Judge Releases Manning After Suicide Attempt, Effectively Fines Her Supporters $256,000


    “A federal judge has released whistleblower Chelsea Manning from jail following a suicide attempt and a year behind bars, while ordering her to pay more than a quarter-million dollars in contempt of court fines.

    “After spending seven years in prison under draconian conditions for exposing US war crimes, Manning was re-imprisoned one year ago in an attempt to coerce her to testify in a grand jury related to WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange. When Manning continued to refuse to testify on a principled stand of opposition to the unjust and corrupt practice of secret grand juries, she began getting slammed with fines of $1,000 per day in an attempt by judge Anthony Trenga to “coerce” her into testifying.

    “Those fines now amount to $256,000 as Trenga finally orders her release, stating that ‘the business of Grand Jury 19-3 had concluded’ and ‘the Court finds that Ms Manning’s appearance before the Grand Jury is no longer needed.’

    “Trenga denied Manning’s attempts to dismiss the fines, despite her legal team challenging that ‘She has no personal savings, an uncertain speaking career that has been abruptly halted by her incarceration, and is moving her few belongings into storage, as she can no longer afford to pay her rent.'”

    Bravo to Chelsea Manning for taking a difficult and principled stand against coercive government tactics, and in favour of freedom of the press, at great personal cost. The official GoFundMe to help Manning pay this unjust fine can be found here:


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    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:42 am #

      There’s a disturbing trend in our society today. I shouldn’t really call it a trend, because it is pretty much locked in now, but the trend is to only be concerned about wrongdoing when it happens to someone on one’s perceived “side”.

      What happened to Roger Stone wasn’t just. What happened to Anthony Weiner wasn’t just. That Shkreli nutcase was the sacrificial lamb for the racket Big Pharma has become. Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to the FBI, while FBI agents who lie go unpunished. I could go on and on.

    • rainmaker March 13, 2020 at 10:48 am #

      Hey- don’t be giving money to the govt. for unjust fines!

      • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 10:54 am #

        In principle I agree with you, rainmaker. In practice, I’d say Manning has already pushed this tactic to its limit in this case (up to, and including, a suicide attempt). We’ll get ’em next time (and it’s too late for me to get my donation back in any case).

        • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

          (and it’s too late for me to get my donation back in any case). – Elrond


          How much was it? 5 Canadian dollars?

          • Robert White March 13, 2020 at 4:44 pm #

            5 Canadian dollars is a lot of money up here, man.


          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 5:38 pm #

            Q: I kicked in $10 USD. I didn’t check the exchange rate first, but no matter.

            As of this writing, the total raised so far is $101,363 of the $256,000 goal, in US funds. It’s been a day or so. Chelsea has a lot of admirers.

            By way of comparison, Kim Davis, the county clerk from Kentucky who refused to process a gay marriage, was jailed for contempt of court but not fined. It’s suggested the judge in her case specifically wanted to avoid enabling her to fundraise off her notoriety.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 10:52 am #

      BRH will love that. The suicide rate in trannies is alarming.

      • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 10:59 am #

        I agree unironically, malthuss. A society should be judged by how it treats its misfits and outsiders. We no longer consider it appropriate for people with serious deformities to be displayed as carnival exhibits, for example; nowadays we try to understand their point of view and be helpful, because that’s the kind thing to do. Some of us still need to have their consciousness raised to that level when it comes to trans people, and some others. These things take time.

        • elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm #

          “A society should be judged by how it treats its misfits and outsiders”

          This bit of folk wisdom may have some truth in it, however, treating the misfits and outsiders with the back of one’s hand (metaphorically) is not out of the question, and may be judged as necessary, or even beneficial to a society.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:11 pm #

          Whites are now the official misfits and we are treated horribly.

          You have to have a viable middle class and dominant ethnic group to have a Society in the sense that you mean it. That was us. You can’t deal with that and that makes you a traitor.

    • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 11:01 am #

      Chelsea Manning, F##k that dude.

      That goddam traitor was on active duty in a position of trust when he sold out the country. In any other time in history he would have been hung.


      • SW March 13, 2020 at 11:47 am #

        Chelsea Manning leaked evidence of a war crime. Innocent, unarmed people were being shot and killed from a helicopter. Even the then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said no American lives were endangered by this leak. In fact it’s a crime NOT to report a witnessed war crime.

      • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:50 am #

        Can’t agree on that. He exposed war crimes. The way he did it can certainly be questioned, but I think intent is also important.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 12:03 pm #

          Wasn’t he already sentenced for that, and was released while Obama was still in office? I haven’t kept up, but this latest jailing wasn’t for that, right?

          • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

            You are correct, Beryl. Manning received a draconian sentence, which was commuted/pardoned by Obama.

            The US government, however, also wants to punish Julian Assange for publishing unfavourable truths and last year convened a secret grand jury, calling Manning as a witness. Manning refused to cooperate on the basis that (a) secret proceedings are illegitimate, and (b) the government wanted to use her testimony — regarding facts already adjudicated, which she had already attested to — as part of a punitive Assange prosecution, as I’ve said. Both of these are reasons I agree with.

            In a Kafkaesque twist, Chelsea was unable to cite the 5th amendment in refusing to testify because the government immunized her. As a result, she was being compelled to testify against her will, subject to imprisonment along with a fine compounding at $1000 per day to coerce her cooperation. All until she attempted suicide, which finally made it undeniable that she would not cooperate under any circumstances.

            How many of us are that principled? Damn few.

          • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 12:19 pm #

            He was. He was re-jailed for refusing to testify against Wikileaks, which IMO was also a rather noble endeavor.

      • stelmosfire March 13, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

        If I recall Backrow, Chelsea was hung. Now not so much!

        • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 12:37 pm #


        • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 12:52 pm #

          How hung can a 5 ft tall white guy have been? We’re not talking professional basketball playing Negros here.

          Oh my, was that politically incorrect?

          • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

            Well, it sure makes people glad they don’t watch B-ball with you. Ew.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

        Typical BRH fail. Law’n order even if the Law is wrong. Trust in the higher ups even if they have betrayed the People – as Trump has.

        Loyalty is a two edged sword. It has to cut in the right direction. Thus one’s Loyalty should be towards the Truth first and foremost and to persons insofar as they abide in that Truth. On a lower level, towards ones family, friends, neighbors before strangers or aliens.

        Consider the Unabomber, Uncle Ted. The hardest thing his brother and mother ever did was to alert the FBI to their suspicions that he was the man. They turned over his writings on condition that they would not seek the death penalty against him if he was. They casually betrayed them and sought the death penalty. Typical Elitist disloyalty towards the People. BRH never considers this aspect at all. They owe us things too? Wow! Gee Whiz! Guess he was absent that day in school. It’s all the military model in his mind – and a soldier has no rights. Very dangerous to apply this to civics, friend.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:43 pm #

      Didn’t they get that operation on our dime? She owes the American people for that. Such things are not the job of the military. And such troubled people should not be allowed into the military.

      • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 4:32 pm #

        The Dems would give free sex change operations to any Latin transvestite who can make it over the border in heels.

        “Send me your tired, your poor…..your Charo imitators”

        • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

          AOC is the new Charo. She’s kicked Bernie to the curb for accepting the endorsement of Joe Rogan. Joe was against allowing puberty blockers for pre-adolescent children. A Monster!

    • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:51 am #

      He not her this is ridiculous and a form of mental illness chopping off a mans penis does not make them a female.
      It science.

      • hmuller March 15, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

        Chopping off a man’s penis may not make him a woman, but it does demonstrate serous commitment.

  11. Ishabaka March 13, 2020 at 10:27 am #

    I’d like to see Biden take the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, just as President Trump did when the Democrats wanted to use the 25th. Amendment to dispose of him (Trump did fine).

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 10:45 am #

      That’s right, I forgot about that.
      The results of that test wouldn’t be in doubt, to any reasonable person. I wish there were a test to give the members of the media who repeat the term “gaffe” when speaking of the man’s decline. What can make them do that?

    • sprawlcapital March 13, 2020 at 11:15 am #

      Jim–I think it would take more than a week for Congress to get their act together and remove a president by invoking the 25th Amendment. Still, your point is well-taken. After living through the abject debacles that were the Iowa Democratic Caucuses in 2016, 2020, and several prior election cycles, I have to conclude that Democrats are capable of any sly trick.

      • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:56 pm #

        Buttplug. He worked for McKinsey, just like Sundar Pichai. Fully vetted asshole, one of the corporate pack true blue. Globalist cuck extraordinaire.
        Biden resigns willingly, early spring 2021 – cites alarming new brain scan, wife tearfully at his side – no 25th needed.

  12. BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 10:56 am #

    Look for Stacy Abrams to be the Dem VP pick.

    The campaign motto is already written and it would be ashamed if it went to waste.

    On the energy front, I read every day in The Guardian that ‘fossil fuels’ are soooooo yesterday, and all our energy needs can be met with windmills and solar panels. EVs have transportation covered, no sweat! The only thing holding up this Brave New electric powered World is a conspiracy between President Trump and Exxon; eliminate them, and climate stable utopia awaits.


    • JustSaying March 13, 2020 at 11:07 am #

      I agree, but Kamala is also a possibility. But maybe Warren to bring the progressives out to vote because the Bernie Bros will not be voting for Uncle Joe.

      • Majella March 13, 2020 at 9:27 pm #

        Warren is dead to the progressives.

        • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:52 am #

          She was dead to anyone that actually listened to her drone on.
          Woman had no fire and zero personality.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:17 am #

      OMG, send everyone who believes that tripe a copy of Life in the Long Emergency for a picture of what is really going on. Oil is about to fail in the next thirty years and the renewables will fail as a consequence of the failure of oil and gas.

      To run this world, we need all of it.

      • Tate March 13, 2020 at 2:02 pm #

        Yeah, it’s about to fail in the next thirty years, & it always will be about to fail in the next thirty years, LOL.

      • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:53 am #

        You do know Venezuela still has the worlds largest oil reserve that we know of enough to run the world on oil at present rates for 100 years.

    • Billy Hill March 13, 2020 at 12:24 pm #

      Stacy was on the 2019 Bilderberg invitee list.

      Nothing to see here…. Move along.

      • Tate March 13, 2020 at 2:10 pm #

        Good point. They probably noticed that big gap between her two front teeth. A sure sign of promiscuity & degeneracy. Can they be blackmailed (npi) like a straight white male with family? I would guess not but they probably figured it would be unnecessary in any case.

        • Majella March 15, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

          In European folk wisdom, a gap between the two front teeth is indicative of being either a very keen traveller, or a very plausible liar.

    • jgalt March 13, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

      Stacy Abrams is a sorry excuse for a human being, forget about a politician. The thought of this whale becoming President is beyond scary. Absolutely incapable of telling the truth, and accepting reality, as shown by her continuing insistence that she is the governor of Georgia in the face of overwhelming loss. Unfortunately, the left will never cease their constant push for power and will use any and all underhanded methods to achieve it. If, God forgive, they do get it back, do not expect them to ever relinquish it short of force.

    • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

      Yeah I worry about Abrams too. But she’s under investigation, maybe? I hope so. She’s gross.
      It won’t be Mike and Barry. The last thing they want is to be actually responsible for this craptacular situation we have now. They want to stir the pot from a safe distance.

      • SW March 13, 2020 at 10:00 pm #

        She wrote six romance novels under the pen name of Selena Montgomery and you owe it to yourself to go to Amazon and read a free chapter. They are hilarious. And I think she was completely serious too — not one, six of these jewels.

  13. Kevvia Knack March 13, 2020 at 10:56 am #

    I doubt Michelle Obama would accept a VP offer. In her memoir she talked about how difficult it was in the White House and she was very relieved when her husband left office. It was like a huge weight was lifted off her shoulders. I predict Cory Booker or Kamala Harris will get a nod.

    • Ishabaka March 13, 2020 at 11:08 am #

      EVERYTHING is difficult for poor Michelle Obama. Read her Master’s thesis, all about how it was SO HARD to be a black student at Princeton: https://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/

      • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:12 am #

        She didn’t know what size sheets to bring to school. Evidently the secret of the “extra long twin” is something they only let the white kids in on.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:49 pm #

        She’s always very angry or close to it. You can see it on her face. And she’s just not smart enough to want to do anything about it. She believes her own disordered mind and heart in other words.

        Being ostensibly ruled by someone like her or Stacy Abrams would be a deep humiliation, something the Elite would love to inflict on us. But then again, so would Biden, as it Trump, as was Reagan, and the Bushes.

      • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

        She sound like a real Ivy League scholar.

      • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 4:37 pm #

        Has anyone ever seen a picture of Michelle Obama pregnant? I think they got those daughters from the prop department. They had to outfit Bathhouse Barry with a convincing family.

  14. John1945 March 13, 2020 at 11:04 am #

    Regarding Covid19-I just remembered a NYT article by Bill Joy,a Major League Computer Scientist.

    Recipe for Destruction


    “To shed light on how the virus evolved, the United States Department of Health and Human Services published the full genome of the 1918 influenza virus on the Internet in the GenBank database.

    This is extremely foolish. The genome is essentially the design of a weapon of mass destruction. No responsible scientist would advocate publishing precise designs for an atomic bomb, and in two ways revealing the sequence for the flu virus is even more dangerous.”

    • Tate March 13, 2020 at 2:15 pm #

      COVID19 contains features of the HIV virus, so they say. This is very suspicious. Did you notice that Xi did his victory lap in Wuhan only after it was safe to go in?

      • John1945 March 13, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

        I can calculate Hamming distance between 2 number strings but to quantify how similar/dissimilar are 2 viruses is way over my head,Mr.Tate.

        There is a mention of “Wuhan-400” virus in Dean Koontz’s 1981 novel “The Eyes of Darkness”, people even posted scans on the Internet,but most likely it is a coincidence,not an evil plot concocted 39 years ago.

        Also according to David Hoffman’s book “Dead Hand” Soviets energetically developed bioweapons at their research facility “Biopreparat” because bioweapons provide biggest bang for the buck spent,Geneva convention be damned.

        I remember how in late 70’s anthrax virus escaped from the Russian secret laboratory and infected a large Russian city.

        Now that the Soviet Union and “Biopreparat” rolled over & died China appears to be the most likely successor in this noble endeavor.

        Unlike Arabs they have very strong scientific base and no religious scruples.

        • benr March 14, 2020 at 10:57 am #

          You can take out the word religious an d just say no scruples.

          They will lie straight to your face and break every agreement.

          • John1945 March 14, 2020 at 9:05 pm #

            Disciples of Sun Tzu I might say ?

            And our business and political leaders are catching up too.
            Books like “The Art of War for Managers” and “Sun Tzu for Success” spread and proliferate like COVID19.

            Where is “MacGuffey’s Eclectic Primer”,Henry Ford’s favorite book,when we need it more than ever ???

  15. JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:09 am #

    Watching Andrew Cuomo working the New Rochelle crisis, doing a lot of right things.

    The country is doing a lot of wrong things with this crisis. “Isolate yourself if you are ill”. What a crock. You have just contaminated your world with virus for 4-5 days before you feel bad. No wonder containment has failed. Test, test, test. The motto of containment.

    Spell it. MITIGATION!

    Self isolation while well. Clean and disinfect your environment regularly, avoid crowds, associate with people not exposed and stop if they get sick, go to the grocery store early or late to avoid crowds, no travel, anywhere, take a shower a day to reduce resident “bug” populations, wash your hands over and over. Think and observe. How many times a day are you touching something that someone with the virus could have touched or coughed on in the last few hours. As the disease spreads, the frequency of people touching those things is going to increase along with your probability of getting the virus.

    China mitigated to a painful degree and slowed this sucker. Our arrogance over the Western way is going to kill us all, so to speak. It took China a month to learn that self isolation while well is the only thing that can affect the spread. As long as we lord over China and accuse them of hiding the facts, even if they did, we are losing valuable information and time.

    Speaking of China, they are pissed at us for belittling their learning curve in Jan, Feb. They took the brunt of this disease and should be given credit for stemming the tide there.

    One thing good is happening. The exposure of the US to supply shortages is showing the absolute evil of the program to ship manufacturing offshore during the last thirty years. This is Deep State stuff in concert with all the corporations. The really bad decision making is threatening the US right now in all sectors including medical supplies. Has anyone considered that the reason we are not getting a ramp up in testing kits is because they are all testing other countries and we are being shortchanged? We are supposed to be the great economy of the world, we are an empty shell of the service sector.

    The stock market reflects all of it. Faith in America and its economic world leadership is falling fast as evidenced by the DJIA. One distinct possibility of the changes coming this year may be the ascent of China as the number one super power and the reduction of America to its rightful totalitarian third world status. All the Trump haters will be ecstatic until they find out what we will have lost.

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    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:32 am #

      Andrew Cuomo is a man who has been given one last chance, and doesn’t want to blow it.
      He saw his turn at ascending to the Oval Office drying up and blowing away, because the heyday of the white man was allegedly over. Also because he’s a lousy governor with a lot of baggage; but that’s beside the point. The Democrats themselves did the work of eliminating the women and the various colors.
      Notice they rigged it so Tulsi couldn’t be in a debate she would have been eligible for?
      This makes it acceptable for a white guy to step in to save the day when it is suddenly discovered that poor old Joe isn’t up to it.
      We may be seeing a Cuomo/Abrams ticket.

  16. Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:10 am #

    I remember quite some time ago, the idea of the Democrats getting Jackie Onassis to run for office was floated. I think it was for the United States Senator for New York.
    We didn’t have the internet for commentary back then, just the papers, but I remember one remark someone made that found its way into print, that she would travel around New York, take one look at a place like Utica, and throw up.

    The speculation about Michele Obama brought that to mind, maybe because JBO had no reason to want to run either.

    I do remember what she was quoted as saying on the subject: “I’d win, of course”.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:18 am #

      “She” being Ms. Onassis.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:23 am #

      I picture Michelle more as a card board cut out for her hubby. I don’t see her making any meaningful decisions unless the power eventually went to her head. A mere spokesperson for Barack, if you will.

      • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 3:03 pm #

        Really? I picture Michelle deadlifting an aircraft carrier.

  17. JustSaying March 13, 2020 at 11:11 am #

    I have never seen a crazier time in my life. I do believe something is being “orchestrated” because of the Gates-Hopkins simulation in October. I think it is a desperate attempt to hold onto global power at any cost.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:17 am #

      You aren’t alone.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:24 am #

      First I’ve heard of that, thanks. Gonna have to read up on it.

    • Kevvia Knack March 13, 2020 at 11:29 am #

      I know. Things are getting absolutely crazy. It’s more intense than 9/11. I think social media is playing a big part in the decline in critical thinking and the increase in anger and herd mentality. People keep describing Biden as an “old white man” but his tissue paper-like skin is more more translucent than white. And his mouth and jaw! The way he yaps. It’s downright disturbing. He’s like a snapping turtle or a skeleton. And those white teeth of his. Ecch

      • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:57 pm #

        The media pushed Anti-White Racism and the intellectuals accepted it. And from there, the college graduates, trying to appear smart, etc.
        It’s very late in the day to being resisting Defamation, but yes, we must try.

        So the Elite do this, they don’t identify as White, right? Now you’re thinking!

    • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      Yep. I tend to agree.

      • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:54 am #

        Slight edit: I tend to agree something is afoot involving the globalist power structure. I was not commenting on the simulation.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 12:05 pm #

          Me neither. There are a lot of people who believe there is a lot more to the coronavirus story than we are being let in on.

          • Robert White March 13, 2020 at 4:23 pm #

            The USA does not want to accept liability for the bioweapon ncorona release in Wuhan Province so the official narrative of G-7 & NATO/Five Eyes plus One will always be that it emanated in the wet market of Wuhan China and is an organic manifestation.

            The genotype & deoxyribonucleic acid will leave a forensic footprint for the virus that is synthetic.


          • benr March 14, 2020 at 11:00 am #


            You are directly quoting Alex jones,
            Just so you know.

          • Robert White March 14, 2020 at 2:25 pm #

            I don’t listen to Jones. And I took Human Genetics & Evolution in Biology in university back in the day.


    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:54 pm #

      Conspiracy Theory. There are no backroom deals. The People decide everything, either directly or thru the market.

      I’d much prefer backroom deals, depending on the players of course. The Players are monsters and therefore we are in deep shit.

    • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 3:08 pm #

      Me neither. The grocery store was so insane this morning, way beyond anything at any Christmas etc. So disturbing, the whole mood of it while everything on the surface looks so normal. I, who never cry, got teary while loading groceries into my trunk. Just from watching my “fellow man” going through all this bullshit.

      • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 11:08 pm #

        The grocery store was so insane this morning – WStranger


        This morning marked the first time in recent memory that my wife did not go out of the house early for one of her innumerable activities. I told her I was glad that for at least ONE DAY she would stop tempting fate with this Coronavirus thing.

        By mid-afternoon she had developed ‘cabin fever’ and bolted for Trader Joe’s. I asked if the place was crowded. She said “just normal” but the shelves were bare. A stock boy told her not to worry, the shelves would be full again by tomorrow morning.

      • benr March 14, 2020 at 11:04 am #

        I had the same teary eyed moment watching people in a store that is usually so empty I wonder how they stay in business.
        Smart and Final was packed like Costco packed at 8 pm on a Wednesday night. People were just short of panic you could see it in their eyes.

        Disneyland had at least two employees pop positive for Corona virus.

  18. Cargill March 13, 2020 at 11:30 am #

    I’m beginning to wonder whether that black woman will happen to be Michelle Obama, and I’m also wondering whether Barack Obama is behind the scenes orchestrating this. Of course, Mr. Biden, if elected, will serve in office less than a week — just long enough to hustle him off with the 25th amendment. Voila! The Obamas are back in the White House, out-Clintoning even the Clintons! Happy days are here again! (Not.)

    I there any evidence for this at all, or it just a Jacobean thought-bubble? Has Michelle Obama done or said anything to indicate her desire and willingness to do the job? And are we just updating the fark Democrat narrative? Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago people were talking about Bernie as the front dude, and Hillary being choppered in?

    Mind you, you could do far worse than Michelle, I think … as you often have – including with the current incumbent. I didn’t particularly admire Barack Obama – he came across as too cool, and concerned with image more than substance, but his missus might bring a bit more mongrel to the job.

    Anyway – we’re obsessing over nothing. If the economy really tanks, and / or the coronavirus pandemic really goes the distance, then whether the incompetent Trump or old Uncle Joe wins in November is going to be very much a second-tier concern.

    And how incompetent can an administration be? They’ve had weeks now to carve a response, and everything remains a disaster … Korea tests more people per day than the US has tested in toto.

    Even gone-in-the-head Old Joe could do better. Anyone could do better.

    Chesapeake Energy down to 16 cents … lost more than 90% of its value.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:35 am #

      Actually President Trump has handled everything a president is meant to handle, and done a fine job of it.

      • Nightowl March 13, 2020 at 11:53 am #

        Indeed he has. And this is coming from someone who laughed uncontrollably as he rode down the golden escalator.

        Never judge a book by its cover.

        • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 12:08 pm #

          Thank you.

          I seem to recall someone who declared herself “coequal” to the president, messing around with a sham impeachment while the corona crisis was brewing too.
          Even if you believe the impeachment was justified, aren’t there priorities?

        • Laundromat Blues March 14, 2020 at 7:15 am #

          I think you meant “Never judge a crook by its lover.”

      • jgalt March 13, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

        No way you can convince a leftist or never Trumper of the correctness of your observation. Too much hatred to allow them to give him credit for the Federal Judges he has had confirmed, and the removal of onerous regulations that were stifling our productivity. If he came up with a cure for the coronavirus, it would not get a mention in the MSM, but they would then have to find another point of attack. It is all about power that the left craves, not about serving America, that they care not a wit about.

        • benr March 14, 2020 at 11:07 am #

          Go one further 12k people died of h1n1 but the media did not whip up the hysteria why…Obama was president.
          30 dead from corona virus and they are acting like the world is ending why…Trump is president ad it will hurt his presidency.

          Politicizing something like this is the absolute lowest chicanery possible from the TDS AFFLICTED MEDIA.

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 9:39 pm #

            Trump immediately politicised it, I seem to recall. Firstly he denied it – then called it all a Democrat hoax, etc, then he spun it – hobbling the professionals and putting clowns in charge.

            Now he the CEOs of some of the most rapacious outfits in the country up at the podium – rubbing their hands in glee (and not with sanitiser) at all the corporate socialism that’s going to flow their way. Brilliant.

            Wasn’t the media who politicised the virus comrade – it was the BFOB himself.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:50 am #

      Anyone could do better.

      Another of your Trump hater BS statements.

      Old Joe would not have a clue. No one right now knows what to do. Except China!!

      Our political situation is pathetic. The Dems have put out their bill to help folks face the economic impact of what is going on. Not a single idea on what to do to stop the damned epidemic. It is loaded with pork that has nothing to do with the crisis, but compromise will hopefully get something out to the folks.

      We are in Mitigation mode. Containment is a failure.

      This government needs to unify for the time being. All the separatist aholes in both parties need to be pushed aside.

    • EvelynV March 13, 2020 at 1:04 pm #

      Cargill – well said

      You and Elrond make reading through the comment section worthwhile.

      • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 3:15 pm #

        Elrond is worried about events in the US

        Meanwhile his own Prime Minister is infected with ‘The Virus’.

        Now there’s something for you to worry about, Elrond.

      • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 10:59 pm #

        Why thank you Evelyn … the feeling is mutual! And it is kinda unusual (but also good fun) to be a sea – or perhaps just a pond – of rational thought and analysis in a great ocean of Trump cultism and Dem hatred.

        I guess it must be like being a non-believer at a Scientology church service. And it remains a rather puzzling thing – that JHK has attracted so many ardent right-wingers … I assume his blog is distributed in to red-hat world rather widely.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

      She’s infected with the Rage Virus. See the movie 28 Days.

    • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

      If I waren’t such a Lady I’d have a few Jacobean thoughts for you.
      But LOL, how delightful. You said “mongrel” about Mike O. It always comes out doesn’t it? The conspicuous virtue, but then, the mask slips….
      Just a thought, if you ever visit the US and you find yourself among actual persons with skintones like rich chocolate maybe don’t refer to them as “mongrels”.

      • Majella March 13, 2020 at 9:50 pm #

        “Mongrel” is an Australian term denoting a willingness to fight in a given situation, that’s all. Not racist.

        • benr March 14, 2020 at 11:09 am #

          Or being a mutt of no certain breed mixed so to speak so yea it might actually be pretty offensive when used as term about humans.

        • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 11:02 pm #

          Thank you Majella – very nice return of serve.

  19. messianicdruid March 13, 2020 at 11:31 am #

    Elrond said, “…it’s not a conspiracy theory that Dick Cheney conflated Saddam Hussein with al Qaeda to make a fake case for the Iraq war.”

    It was a theory then but it’s not now. Do you realize there are some [ even CFN posters ] who still consider it a theory ?

    • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      I haven’t read it myself, but I understand Jane Mayer’s The Dark Side to be an excellent account of how Bush/Cheney perpetrated not only this, but a lot more besides. I’d refer anyone who’s still in doubt to that book.

  20. Cargill March 13, 2020 at 11:36 am #

    I have never seen a crazier time in my life. I do believe something is being “orchestrated” because of the Gates-Hopkins simulation in October. I think it is a desperate attempt to hold onto global power at any cost.

    A quite discredited conspiracy theory – the world is crazy enough without needing more silly nonsense.


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    • WayfaringStranger March 13, 2020 at 3:23 pm #

      When you go out in public do you find significant numbers of people just rushing up and poking you in the eye? It seems like that might happen a lot.

      • benr March 14, 2020 at 11:10 am #

        No way he would never spew his bull shit to anyone face unless he knew for a fact they were fellow believers in his brand of bs.

        • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 11:05 pm #

          The hatred from both of you is extraordinary – I shake my head in amazement. What gets y’all so angry and agitated?

          The Gaters-Hopkins simulation exercises did not predict the coronavirus epidemic … that has been debunked. Why are you so concerned about it?

  21. volodya March 13, 2020 at 11:41 am #

    One of the eminences of 20th C physics said that the universe is not only stranger than we imagine but stranger than we CAN imagine.

    But then so are human affairs. Guys my age adopt this cynical pose, you’ve seen us do it, we sigh and roll our eyes, we say that nothing surprises us anymore. But the truth is that we’re constantly astonished because just when you think that things can’t possibly get crazier, somebody comes up with new and exciting varieties of the truly insane.

    The neo-liberal corpus of thought is nuts. Had it stayed safely within the realm of political philosophy, inside ivy-covered buildings where professors guide their young charges along the highways and byways of the unreal, that would be one thing. But it didn’t, neo-liberalism’s real world manifestations as loony as the underlying theory, with truly bizarre arrangements like the EU about as detached from the world of fact, history, logic, common sense and practicality as it’s possible to get. 

    The EU was crazy but was it crazier in total than uprooting American factories to send them to China to take advantage of cheap labor? That was truly certifiable. It was human history’s most stupendous miscalculation in a long history full of them. Not only did it ruin the collective purchasing power of American consumers as good-paying jobs disappeared, never to re-appear, but all those productive assets were put inside the clammy fist of the Chinese Communist Party and the billionaire Chinese that run it and the gigantic force of armed police and soldiers at their beck and call. 

    Where do you think that guys like Tim Cook take direction from? Not from Washington, nope, supply lines that motor their businesses now as far away from the US as it’s possible to get. No, they look to the hard-men of Beijing, in particular the boss-man at the tip of the ruling pyramid. 

    So, here’s where it’s at, a situation inconceivable from the perspective of 1965, America’s ruling elites having gutted their own country economically and militarily, in the process building up a foreign agricultural backwater into a nasty global adversary, all for the sake of a handful of Fortune 500 shareholders and Wall Street money-men.

    Do you think that JHK’s scenario of Slow Joe with Michelle as his running mate is way out there in the outer realms of probability? It sure would be a surprising maneuver, but in the unlikely circumstances we find ourselves in, it could happen, and it may even be the winning ticket. 

    Is Barry orchestrating this? Maybe it’s just crazy enough to be true. But maybe Barry should consider the prospect of a seriously decrepitating President taking liberties with his VP, the mentally hobbled chief exec thinking that it’s now his due, his more lizardly impulses no longer subject to restraint by fully functioning cranial gear.

    But how Barry and Michelle navigate this problem of a touchy-feely-sniffy boss not in full command of his faculties and impulses are small compared to the underlying incoherence that gave rise to Joe’s rise in the first place. Who’d a thunk it, a senile candidate seriously considered for the world’s toughest job? That is truly astounding.

    Joe’s not the only one losing his mind, so apparently is the Democrat electorate. Joe’s getting old, that’s his excuse. But what about the Democrat primary voter? Are they losing their shit too?

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:51 am #

      Barry’s specialty is more in the line of ‘dirty tricks’. So he’s involved, but not in charge.

      When he did have delusions of adequacy and start trying to venture into making his own decisions, things didn’t turn out so well. See Benghazi. No, it wasn’t a Youtube video that caused that, it was something he and Hillary cooked up when they ran their off-the-books policies from a basement.
      The only time he was the smartest man in the room and Hillary was the smartest woman, was when it was just the two of them in the room.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 11:54 am #

      But maybe Barry should consider the prospect of a seriously decrepitating President taking liberties with his VP, the mentally hobbled chief exec thinking that it’s now his due, his more lizardly impulses no longer subject to restraint by fully functioning cranial gear.

      LOL! I wouldn’t want be in old Joe’s shoes when he tried that. Absent a SS intervention, I’m quite sure Michelle could put him down and out – perhaps permanently – with one punch. That woman’s packing some serious guns! Besides, the old senile bastard would likely be flashing back to his VP days and naturally deferring to Barrack/Michelle on everything. His brain’s cooked cauliflower at this point

      • volodya March 13, 2020 at 12:10 pm #

        Still, the visual of Michelle clocking Joe is just too funny.

        • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 12:20 pm #

          Ain’t it though?

          • Laundromat Blues March 14, 2020 at 7:14 am #

            Funny in a hemorrhoids sort of way.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:56 am #


      Someone much higher than Barry is running the show here, and their efforts have been going on for a long time.

      Their hooks are into everything. I would like to see what their relationship with China is or if it is China??

      • volodya March 13, 2020 at 11:59 am #

        I think the first thing is to follow the money. Which way does the money point? That could answer the question. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if it was Chinese interests, the money trail pointing right at Beijing.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 12:11 pm #

        I agree John. Look how he came out of nowhere, and suddenly Hillary was out and he was in.
        BTW, that primary was rigged against her. People forget.

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        • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:41 pm #

          B of O

          Many of the young people never experienced Barry over Hillary.

    • Elrond Hubbard March 13, 2020 at 12:02 pm #

      I find it hard to credit the idea of Tim Cook, CEO of a company with a trillion-dollar market cap (last I heard, anyway; dunno if recent shenanigans have cut off that 13th digit), taking direction from the Chinese government, or anyone else but his shareholders and their representatives.

      The Chinese ruling class depends on its ability to provide employment and rising living standards for over a billion people. And they are not the only low-wage economy around, which makes them as vulnerable to the virtual Senate of international capital flows as anyone else. They profit handsomely from playing host to Apple’s manufacturing and supply chain, just as Apple profits from access to Chinese consumers (and makes the necessary accommodations).

      Ambrose Bierce defined an alliance as “the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other’s pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third.” Sounds about right to me.

    • sprawlcapital March 13, 2020 at 1:05 pm #

      “fully functioning cranial gear”

      That’s a clever use of language, Vol. Such skill is admired in this forum, unlike at Zero Hedge, where.the commenters cant evin spel clevir.

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    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:05 pm #

      But America’s generations long war against White People is epitome of sanity and decency, right?

      Once that was accepted, they knew they could do anything to us and get away with it.

      Trump used our precious and hard won indignation to get elected and now he won’t even mention us. If someone else did the same and didn’t betray us, he could be King. We’d never let him leave office. Putin deserves his position as Lord of all the Russias. Democracy is contraindicated, given the amount of human folly and overt malice.

  22. Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:44 am #

    On the topic of the Biden Crime Syndicate, do any of you who perhaps have some kind of art background believe it is Hunter himself who is creating his paintings?

  23. xxzzy999 March 13, 2020 at 11:50 am #

    Bernie is despised by the Democrat Party. They tolerate him because he funnels votes into the Party. Bernie has ZERO chance of getting the nomination… just as in 2016.

    Biden is unelectable. Too much baggage/corruption unfolding… Hunter’s involvement in Ukraine and China. Biden’s brother involved in Iraq construction projects. Biden’s deteriorating mental state are visible and very concerning. Biden would be a disaster running against President Trump, and the Democrats know this.

    Hillary will be the nominee and is the Democrat’s best candidate to run in 2020 (no matter how much the Republicans despise her… me included). She has enormous power in the party and has the people and money to launch by far the best campaign. Hillary received 95% of the Super Delegate’s vote in the 2016 Convention. The Super Delegates are the heart and soul of the Democrat Party, made up of all Democrat Senators, House members, Governors, ex-Presidents, etc… approx 775 delegates.

    She has learned from her mistakes in 2016… she has avoided running in the primaries, thus avoiding any negative press so far. She has been very visible lately with appearances on late night talk shows, podcasts, book tours, HULU biography launched last week during Super Tuesday, thus polishing her image before entering the race. Get ready for Trump vs. Hillary 2.0 my friends.

    • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 11:57 am #

      Hillary said she handled SARS better than President Trump is handling COVID-19.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 11:58 am #

      Like Joe, do you think HRC is physically able to run? I notice she never stands during interviews.

      • Beryl of Oyl March 13, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

        She was barely able eight years ago. Maybe she quit drinking, but I doubt it.

        • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 12:16 pm #

          OMG, I definitely wouldn’t want to be around her when she was drunk!

    • lbs March 13, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

      I don’t know man. My family are hard core Democrats. We rarely discuss politics, for the sake of maintaining a congenial relationship. They all think Trump’s a psycho.

      My sister’s ex-husband is a hyper pro-Democrat anti-Trump person, and he referred to Hillary Clinton recently as “a loser”.

      I think a lot of Democrats are fed up with Hillary. Although, she could still be a lot better pick than a Joe Biden whose mental acuity is rapidly disintegrating.

      • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

        Do you think that maybe the old time Dems have lost a home.

        Dems were the champions of the working class, of unions forever.

        That started changing with Clinton and really changed with Obama. Dems are now the party of identity politics and minorities.

        The old guard are homeless. But the core of the DNC just set up two
        White old men and repudiated even their own constituency. Their main interest is the Deep State elite.

        The Dems are a nut farm. The Old Guard, like your family, are homeless.

        I might remind them that up to 2 months ago, are they better off than they were in 2016?

        • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 8:33 am #

          Republicans have a big tent. Let the disaffected Dems come on in.

    • jgalt March 13, 2020 at 2:30 pm #

      Sure hope you are wrong, but afraid you are correct. The thought of the Hildebeast getting anywhere near that much power is very frightening. If the current economic crash does not correct before the election, your prediction may be spot on, and we may wind up with Hildy as our glorious leader, warts, corruption, and all.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:36 pm #

      It is possible. The loyalty and idiocy of her crazed cat lady followers simply cannot be imagined.

      They see her as one of their own, who somehow got lucky and was able to marry a man, who then betrayed her publicly. Thus she is a Christ figure as is Obama to other kinds liberal lunatics.

  24. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 12:16 pm #


    Get ready to gas up.

    “Teresa Franzese, 47, lived with her family in the southern city of Naples and started to show the symptoms of coronavirus last week. Her health deteriorated rapidly and she died on Saturday before the results of a test for the disease was known.

    Given the uncertainty, undertakers and even the local hospital refused to pick up the body.

    “My sister is dead, in bed. I don’t know what to do. I can’t give her the funeral she deserves because the institutions have abandoned me,” her brother Luca Franzese said in a video posted on Facebook.

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 12:18 pm #

      Sounds like it’s furnace time!

      • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

        After 36 hours of this Medieval rhyme men in bunny suits showed up. The body was taken straight to the cemetery and buried. No funeral and the family was quarantined.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:43 pm #

          Bunny suits? I don’t have a bunny suit! Why wasn’t I notified earlier!

          • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 7:44 pm #

            Dead people don’t breath. Bunny suits are overkill. Excuse the pun.

  25. messianicdruid March 13, 2020 at 12:21 pm #

    Has anyone else considered the similarities between the meanings of the words ‘ president ‘ and ‘ antichrist ‘ ?


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    • GreenAlba March 13, 2020 at 1:59 pm #

      Here in South Edinburgh, MD, the talk is of little else.

  26. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 12:49 pm #

    Justin Trudeau said he would be in isolation for two weeks after his wife, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, tested positive for coronavirus. She said she was “experiencing uncomfortable symptoms” adding that she would “be back on my feet soon”.

    Canada has reported 145 cases of the virus, a three-fold gain from a week ago. There has been one death.

    What are the odds. The population of Canada is over 37 million. 37000000 / 145 = 255,172

    We are so fucked.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:06 pm #

      K dog

      There will be loads of people in the US that will be watching Canada’s response to the pandemic. Lots of comparisons are going to be made. So far, Europe’s response is less than spectacular.

      Or maybe, either health care technique is able to handle the crisis.

      • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

        Only China and North Korea have the necessary social infrastructure to deal with this crisis. In NK they can just shoot you and in China all movement is controlled. There are internal borders in China. Our politicians are a joke. The virus is already in the demographic that lives paycheck to paycheck. People without health care who have already used up sick leave for mental health days won’t stay home if they feel a bit under the weather. If asked they will say they have a cold. They can’t afford to take time off.

        Our politicians are out to lunch and can’t imagine the lifestyles their constituents actually have.

        • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:33 pm #

          You are 100% correct. Maybe the wool being pulled over our collective eyes by the Elite is starting to fall away. Both sides.

          In the US, if the Deep State ends up getting the black eye for this fiasco,


          Hopefully, Canada will stop part of the pandemic.

        • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:46 pm #

          Well said. Canada will probably do better for this and a number of other reasons.

  27. allyn March 13, 2020 at 12:51 pm #

    Dear Mr Kunstler
    I’m in Seattle, with my family of four, and I’m pretty sure we have the virus. Luckily for us we are recovering well. I’d like to thank you for helping me be mentally prepared for this paradigm shift over the last 15 years. You, Dmitry Orlov, Mike Ruppert, Joe Bageant, Morris Berman, Chris Marten are heroes.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 3:25 pm #


  28. EvelynV March 13, 2020 at 1:08 pm #

    Is it MAGA time yet?

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:39 pm #

      A really dumb statement.

      I picture Trump and Pence in the West Wing of the White House, just before Xmas, brewing up a batch of Coronavirus, putting it in spray bottles and telling the military to spray it all over Wuhan China.

      That is about as dumb as your statement.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:49 pm #

        I’m not tired of winning, John. But I am of Trump’s wining.

        • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm #

          and you never had some wine? You never whined?

          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:24 pm #

            Your greatest moment of triumph. I was wrong but you are simply sad.

  29. DMH March 13, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    I think it will be Kamala Harris as VP.
    And keep those germy, affluent people, retuning from abroad away from me. ICK! 😉

    • lbs March 13, 2020 at 1:36 pm #

      Biden is popular with African Americans, but with Kamala Harris on the ticket, a large share of them will switch to Trump.

      • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm #

        another non Black marketed as Black.

  30. JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

    Just read Joe’s program for Coronavirus.

    Ha! Just like Congress, no real meat on how to handle the crisis.

    Ten testing sites per state. That really helps when we can’t get test kits to the sites and even if we could, there are not enough labs to process the swabs.

    Open the border and stop the temporary shutdown to Europe. Use globalist techniques to arm everyone with crisis stopping techniques.

    This is insanity. Globalist techniques where mitigation techniques are absolutely required to control the spread. Why not just take a gigantic spray bottle and spray the virus all over the place.

    If this is his idea, Joe and his globalist crew are dangerous as hell.

    Where is Bernie’s ideas?

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    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 1:32 pm #


      I played a video of Biden talking about Corona last night. I was looking for signs of dementia. To be fair I did not notice anything too odd but the content of his response was intellectually barren. This crisis is an opportunity for a leader to show his stuff. I would! Show competence and an ability to dynamically synthesize all social resources to deal with our situation. Biden gave a practiced script response. Talking about brave firemen and first responders Biden showed an infecund grasp of the problems. Biden’s speech was so canned he could have been talking about 911. No difference.

      It is the wrong time of year for a November gale but these lyrics do sum things up. By November it will already be lights out.

      When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck
      Saying, “Fellas, it’s too rough to feed ya.”
      At seven PM a main hatchway caved in
      He said, “Fellas, it’s been good to know ya.”
      The captain wired in he had water comin’ in
      And the good ship and crew was in peril
      And later that night when his lights went out of sight
      Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

      • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:35 pm #

        It is possible that there is no answer, that it will run its course and that is it. These politicians are a damn joke.

    • Majella March 13, 2020 at 10:05 pm #

      JohnAZ – it’s here, and is sensible & comprehensive:


  31. JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:29 pm #

    Just read Bernie’s answers.

    Support the people losing salaries up to $60000 a year.

    Make the pharma companies sell virus drugs at cost, how?

    Work on getting most testing capability, How?

    Build homeless shelters. .???

    He will call a national emergency. Good, Trump is doing that today, and should’ve done it a month ago.

    The Medicare fo All would have helped. How? Kdog’s statement earlier about Canada and Coronavirus leads into real comparisons between the two health care systems. I will be watching.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 1:30 pm #

      At least he does not mention opening the border and globalist solutions.

      Joe would fight God during the Tower of Babel.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:51 pm #

      Trump: Stop mortgage payments but not rents. The number of homeless will explode, feeding the virus.

  32. lbs March 13, 2020 at 1:34 pm #

    Well, K-Dog, if there’s an environment where socialism may rise it is in today’s crisis. In a climate of desperation, people often turn to suicide cults such as socialism.

    One key difference between capitalism and socialism: Capitalism provides a platform for prosperity, but that can be derailed by such things as natural disasters and corruption.

    Socialism produces universal misery under all conditions, even those in which prosperity is possible.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 2:54 pm #

      Does anything just have one side? Read “A romance in Flatland”, maybe it will expand your one dimensional mind.

  33. lbs March 13, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

    As usual, I largely agree with Kunstler except on one point. Peak Oil is not a factor in what’s going on today. The role of oil in this crisis is that it is currently abundant. Yes the low prices are hurting the shale producers, but if oil prices were at the level that shale producers need to break even, that oil price would not be high enough to hurt the economy. Their problem is that prices are so low they can’t break even. Yes they may all go bankrupt. No problem. Airlines used to all go bankrupt periodically because prices were too low to break even. That didn’t mean air travel vanished, it just meant a new crop of investors popped up to take over the airlines once the old investors had lost all their money. Same will happen with oil. Most will probably go bankrupt, and just restructure. It’s amazing how you can improve a company financially by giving the heave-ho to shareholders when the stock hits zero.

    I believe in peak oil, but it’s still down the road. With the glut of economically viable supply right now, I don’t see how it will start showing its face for at least a couple decades from now. Most of us who believe it is going to happen will be dead long before it does.

    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

      I believe in rainbows.

    • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 12:14 am #

      if oil prices were at the level that shale producers need to break even, that oil price would not be high enough to hurt the economy.

      I think JHK (and a number of oil experts) might disagree with you here … there is no Goldilocks prince point, or price range, apparently.

  34. Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

    I just listened to and watched Nancy Pelosi deliver the Dems response to the Coronavirus problem/disaster and aside from the policy specifics I couldn’t help but notice two things:

    . Nancy’s tits are not on straight. The right one is slung lower than the left.

    . She needs to have her dentures tightened up. Many words beginning with the letter ‘S’ are coming out slurred.

    • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 3:09 pm #

      The woman is pushing 80 and she’s had more face lifts than Joan Rivers. Yes, and there has been work done on the teeth too, so what. Have you noticed Biden’s new teeth; they look like expensive Pearl’s. For God’s sake cut her some slack, Q. Appearances must be kept up.


      • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

        For God’s sake cut her some slack, Q. – BRH


        Just trying to be funny……….. although my two comments are accurate.

    • Robert White March 13, 2020 at 4:10 pm #

      Having swollen gums can be enough to alter one’s speech to make one sound inebriated. I’ve had terrible teeth problems and can attest to the speech difficulty conundrum anecdotally.

      Leave it to you to offer pointers on etiquette, Q. Shtik.

      For an 80 year old women she is good leadership for all girls everywhere. You just can’t stand the fact that she is smarter than you are and likely has more money & material wealth than you do.

      Pelosi is okay sometimes.


      • hmuller March 13, 2020 at 4:40 pm #

        Research her father, lifelong politician owned by the Baltimore crime syndicate.

      • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 5:01 pm #

        Sorry does not cut it. Widely whispered for years she buys her vodka by the case 😉

        Plus shes an idiot that lies, cannot be trusted and does not put the interests of the country first (or even her own district).

        Better people for young ladies to aspire to imitate.

      • Q. Shtik March 13, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

        Leave it to you to offer pointers on etiquette, Q. Shtik.

        For an 80 year old women………… – Robert White


        I see on Google that Nancy is 13 days away from her 80th B-day. She is 8 months older than me. God bless her for still having all her marbles. I feel I have lost some of mine in the past year not to mention some other physical degradation.

        However, I don’t see where anything I wrote has to do with etiquette.

        Regarding teeth: not long ago I finished a year long process of getting implants in 3/4ths of my mouth that ran me more than $35K.

        • Robert White March 14, 2020 at 1:44 pm #

          You referenced her attire & secondary sex characteristics, Q.

          Denigrating her appearance & speech whilst advising her on behaviour constitutes mores, folkways, & etiquette in our shared culture.

          If you were a public figure and remarked on the lack of symmetry with respect to Chair Pelosi’s chest appearance you would be drummed out of Hollywood and off national broadcasting.

          just sayin’


          • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 5:17 pm #

            You referenced her attire & secondary sex characteristics, Q. – RW


            First off, there was not one word in my comment about Pelosi’s attire or her behaviour (note: from my perspective you have misspelled behavior; God, you Brits and the unnecessary use of the letter u!).

            Further RW, ‘you are a bright guy,’ * how can you fail to notice that this is NOT a crude spoof on Pelosi but rather on myself. I do this often. I focus on the totally unimportant and irrelevant while having nothing to say about what IS important…namely, in this case, the substance of Pelosi’s speech, policy initiatives.

            Take for example this hypothetical situation: I might comment on this board as follows:

            “As you all know by now, a powerful nuclear device was detonated over the City of Los Angeles less than an hour ago by unknown perpetrators killing millions. I was horrified to hear the breathless reporter pronounce the word as “nuke-u-ler” as ‘dubya’ Bush was wont to do…much to my chagrin.”

            * a despicable boss of mine back in the day liked to use this phrase which, of course, was his backhanded way of saying you actually WEREN’T too bright.

            I guess I must face the fact, RW, that this is not YOUR kind of humor.

          • Robert White March 14, 2020 at 11:17 pm #

            JHK attended art school where he went to school with music students, artists, et cetera, and had to dodge the riff raff of NYC whilst getting to & fro from school to home.

            I attended tertiary education at Carleton University in Experimental Psychology. My peers were mostly women by a large percentage, and many of my professors were women.

            I have a fraternal twin sister from Hell, and an older sister too. I was raised to be respectful of women through upbringing & tertiary ed.

            Be grateful that I’m not my twin sister from Hell.

            You are a cool guy for 80, Q.

            Cheers, Robert

  35. dah plunge protection team March 13, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

    Plunge Protection Team feeling darn good to be doing the superman thing on Friday pushing the markets up with one hand holding Lois Lane in the other. It’ll probably be a Kryptonite Monday……

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    • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 4:58 pm #

      if 1.5T only lasted 20 minutes what’s it take to get a 2k up day all day?

      • aibohphobia March 13, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

        Are you talking about the stock market or viagra…

  36. HapMan March 13, 2020 at 2:38 pm #

    “I’m sure Mr. Biden stayed in the race solely to avoid investigation for his operations in Ukraine and China with son, Hunter.” – JHK

    Can someone please explain how this works?

    Because I am unfamiliar with any rule or practice that says that presidential candidates and their family members can’t be investigated.

    And we know that the FBI investigated the last Democratic candidate during her campaign.

    And we know that, regardless of what one thinks of Trump, it’s safe to say at this point that Biden’s running for office makes Trump more, not less, interested in doing what he can to see that Biden is investigated. (See: Phone call, perfect.)

    And it is entirely possible that Biden and his son have been and/or are being investigated by the FBI and the DOJ already.

    And Biden knows all of this.

    So maybe Biden just wants to be President, thinks he has a good shot as the former VP, and doesn’t think he did anything illegal.

    Just sayin.

  37. 100th Avatar March 13, 2020 at 2:39 pm #

    “I’m sure Mr. Biden stayed in the race solely to avoid investigation for his operations in Ukraine and China with son, Hunter.”

    Only reason he’s in it. To protect the former regime that extorted Ukraine, rigged the last DNC nomination, failed to investigate/prosecute the Secretary of State/nominee.

    And his yet unknown running mate?


    • HapMan March 13, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

      How does Biden running prevent Trump’s DOJ and FBI from investigating him?

      Doesn’t that make it more likely, not less?

      • 100th Avatar March 13, 2020 at 3:42 pm #

        The incumbent investigating the opposition party’s nominee.

        Is this all new to you?

        Go back to sleep

        • HapMan March 13, 2020 at 3:51 pm #

          There is nothing to stop that from happening.

          In fact, Trump requested the Ukrainians start investigating, Giuliani has been investigating, and the Senate is investigating.

          All of that has in fact been provoked, not prevented, by Biden’s run.

          So I think you might want to move on to another conspiracy theory.

          • Nightowl March 15, 2020 at 1:01 pm #

            The Ukrainians were investigating Biden of their own accord before he had the prosecutor fired.

            Then he bragged about it publically, and now the Ukranians have reopened the investigation.

            Just the facts, TinFoilMan.

          • HapMan March 15, 2020 at 1:59 pm #


            Your comment is both irrelevant and deceptive.

            Irrelevant because we’re talking about JHK’s half-baked suggestion that Biden can, or thinks he can, prevent investigations by campaigning for president.

            Deceptive because the Ukrainian prosecutor had terminated the investigation (which was an investigation of Burisma, not Biden) prior to his firing – which firing was overwhelmingly supported by the international community.

            As is typical with you, you manage the hat trick of combining non sequiturs with flat-out BS.

          • Nightowl March 16, 2020 at 6:01 am #

            As a previous commenter commented, go back to sleep.

            You can’t even get basic facts correct.

    • HapMan March 13, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

      And to say nothing of Republican Ron Johnson’s Senate committee, which has already announced that it is investigating, and obviously wouldn’t be doing so absent Biden’s run.

      • Tate March 13, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

        Not obvious at all.

  38. wpa_ccc March 13, 2020 at 3:19 pm #

    Trump announced a declaration at 3:00. It’s now 3:20 and no sign of him. This would never happen in Mussolini’s Italy. Trump cannot even make his lies run on time.

  39. Robert White March 13, 2020 at 3:52 pm #

    Systemic collapse is certain given the worldwide shutdown of all markets except food & health services. The hypothesis proposed is fair in that the greater depression has arrived, finally.

    I suspect that nCoronavirus is purposeful as a bioweapon to start the ball rolling. I also suspect that hot kinetic war will be announced as a follow up measure when the USA engages in a preemptive first strike scenario to attempt reasserting control over geopolitics as deflation forces mean reversion on the NYSE pre-election gambit for the Republican Party.

    nCorona pre-emptively shuts down civil demonstrations prior to elections and the proposed & predicted civil disunion between the Democrats & Republicans is nullified by marshal law.


    • wpa_ccc March 13, 2020 at 4:06 pm #

      “hot kinetic war will be announced as a follow up measure when the USA engages in a preemptive first strike scenario to attempt reasserting control over geopolitics” –RW

      Iran would be the logical candidate, no? That would guarantee Trump’s re-election which is more important than other people’s kids getting killed. If there is an election. In wartime, after declaring a national emergency today, maybe cancelling the election is the plan.

      Yes, I am speculating, just as JHK does about Michelle, who has indicated zero interest in being a public figure, much less a president.

      • Robert White March 13, 2020 at 4:33 pm #

        I agree, wpa_ccc. Iran is the prime target given that the US admin knows Israel will back it even if the other G-7 don’t. Unilateralism is the official USA narrative going forward into WW3 & thermonuclear conflagration.

        The whole ncorona is the opening act, eh.


  40. Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 4:08 pm #

    During the Depression, crops rotted unpicked in the fields and if picked, in the warehouses. Will be this stupid this time around? Or will we realize it’s an EMERGENCY and Act? Men must Act.

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  41. fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 4:09 pm #

    rump declares national emergency to combat coronavirus, authorizes waiving of laws and regulations


    Personal security, trusted gang, water, food, means of production, PM.

    • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

      Meant Trump. Purely an accident 😉

      • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 5:58 pm #

        Well maybe a Freudian slip…

        • Nightowl March 15, 2020 at 1:02 pm #

          Or just TDS.

  42. Janos Skorenzy March 13, 2020 at 4:11 pm #

    Will the Coronavirus kill the New World Order by Pat Buchanan

    Dr. Brian Monahan, attending physician of Congress, told a closed meeting of Senate staffers this week that 70 million to 150 million Americans — a third of the nation — could contract the coronavirus. Dr. Anthony Fauci testified that the mortality rate for COVID-19 will likely run near 1%.

    Translation: Between 750,000 and 1.1 million Americans may die of this disease before it runs its course. The latter figure is equal to all the U.S. dead in World War II and on both sides in the Civil War.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel warns that 70% of Germany’s population — 58 million people — could contract the coronavirus. If she is right, and Fauci’s mortality rate holds for her country, that could mean more than half a million dead Germans.

    Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis called Merkel’s remark “unhelpful” and said it could cause panic. But Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch seemed to support Merkel, saying between 40% and 70% of the world’s population could become infected.

    Again, if Fauci’s 1% mortality rate and Lipsitch’s estimate prove on target, between 3 billion and 5 billion people on earth will be infected, and 30 million to 50 million will die, a death toll greater than that of the Spanish Flu of 1918.

    There is, however, some contradictory news.

    China, with 81,000 cases, has noted a deceleration in new cases and South Korea appears to be gradually containing the spread of the virus.

    Yet, Italy, with its large elderly population, may be a harbinger of what is to come in the West.

    As of Thursday, Italy had reported 12,000 cases and 827 deaths, a mortality rate of nearly 7%. This suggests that the unreported and undetected infections in shutdown Italy are far more numerous.

    In the U.S., the death toll at this writing is 39, a tiny fraction of the annual toll of tens of thousands who die of the flu.

    But the problem is this: COVID-19 has not nearly run its course in the USA, while the reaction in society and the economy approaches what we might expect from a boiling national disaster.

    The stock market has plunged further and faster than it did in the Great Crash of 1929. Trillions of dollars in wealth have vanished. If Sen. Bernie Sanders does not like “millionaires and billionaires,” he should be pleased. There are far fewer of them today than there were when he won the New Hampshire primary.

    What does the future hold?

    It may one day be said that the coronavirus delivered the deathblow to the New World Order, to a half-century of globalization, and to the era of interdependence of the world’s great nations.

    Tourism, air travel, vacation cruises, international gatherings and festivals are already shutting down. Travel bans between countries and continents are being imposed. Conventions, concerts and sporting events are being canceled. Will the Tokyo Olympics go forward? If they do, will all the anticipated visitors from abroad come to Japan to enjoy the games?

    Trump has issued a one-month travel ban on Europe.

    As for the “open borders” crowd, do Democrats still believe that breaking into our country should no longer be a crime, and immigrants arriving illegally should be given free health care, a proposition to which all the Democratic debaters raised their hands?

    The ideological roots of our free trade era can be traced to the mid-19th century when its great evangelist, Richard Cobden, rose at Free Trade Hall in Manchester on Jan. 15, 1846, and rhapsodized:

    “I see in the Free Trade principle that which shall act on the moral world as the principle of gravitation in the universe — drawing men together, thrusting aside the antagonism of race, and creed, and language, and uniting us in the bonds of eternal peace.”

    In the pre-Trump era, Republicans held hands with liberal Democrats in embracing NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and most-favored-nation trade privileges for China.

    In retrospect, was it wise to have relied on China to produce essential parts for the supply chains of goods vital to our national security? Does it appear wise to have moved the production of pharmaceuticals and lifesaving drugs for heart disease, strokes and diabetes to China? Does it appear wise to have allowed China to develop a virtual monopoly on rare earth minerals crucial to the development of weapons for our defense?

    In this coronavirus pandemic, people now seem to be looking for authoritative leaders and nations seem to be looking out for their own peoples first. Would Merkel, today, invite a million Syrian refugees into Germany no matter the conditions under which they were living in Syria and Turkey?

    Is not the case now conclusive that we made a historic mistake when we outsourced our economic independence to rely for vital necessities upon nations that have never had America’s best interests at heart?

    Which rings truer today? We are all part of mankind, all citizens of the world. Or that it’s time to put America and Americans first!


    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 4:42 pm #

      A big question I would add.

      Is the globalization of things what is causing the very obvious now encroachment of human health from Mother Nature. The “bugs” are getting better at attacking us. Is community immunity being destroyed by the intermixing of communities world wide? Should we expect more epidemics in the future? Should we expect more and welcome more in the spirit of globalization? Some people would definitely say yes.

      • readfreak March 13, 2020 at 7:38 pm #

        Globalization doesn’t really have anything to do with it. As long as people can get on boats and planes viruses will continue to kill us. This has been happening since the dawn of man. Plagues in the 13th and 14th centuries. We didn’t have too much globalization during the Spanish flu. 50 to 100 million died in that pandemic. I was reading an article by a scientist who is a virus tracker. He has been tracking Coronaviruses for 10 years. He said they have discovered one million coronaviruses 500 of them are in bats and we are not immune to any of them. Some of them are extremely lethal This will keep happening unless we can come up with a vaccine that covers all of them. virus is natures defense against man

        • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 8:12 pm #

          Without globalization spread would be geographically slow. Like in the 13th and 14th centuries.

          • readfreak March 13, 2020 at 9:24 pm #

            I’m not defending globalization but we are way over-populated and people move around very fast. Unless you want people to stop traveling. This particular virus has a very long incubation period. These viruses are constantly mutating. One of them, I think it is sars has a 60% death rate. Can you imagine what would happen if that one became very contagious? China now has bird flu in one of its provinces. Another very dangerous virus. Not very contagious but that could change. Amount other things we need to become more vigilant and tighten up our ability to react.

    • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 4:43 pm #

      Pat be dreaming the same dream since 1975…

      • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

        and rightfully so. His intelligence and writing dwarf yours, little man.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:54 pm #

      trade privileges for China.—yikes.

      In retrospect, was it wise to have relied on China to produce essential parts for the supply chains of goods vital to our national security..
      Uh no, but you would agree that Mossad has out tech and has back door access…they dont need the sampson option.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:58 pm #

      Tourism, air travel, vacation cruises, international gathering

      lyft -uber
      door dash [food to the home]


      • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 7:48 pm #

        From an upcoming remake of the 1960’s movie classic, Mrs. Robinson:

        Mr. Maguire: Have you thought about your future yet Benjamin? Have you really thought about it?

        Benjamin: [pauses and then stammers slightly] Uh… yes sir, I’ve given it some thought. What would you suggest?

        Mr. Maguire: Two words for you Benjamin: [looks around and then whispers quietly] toilet paper!

        • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 8:00 pm #

          That movie is The Graduate of course, for which Mrs Robinson was merely a main character and a song title.

    • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

      Umm … we have ALL lapped up the huge benefits of globalisation and ‘free trade’- we have enjoyed a wide range of high-quality goods and services that even the WWII generation did not enjoy, didn’t even dream about.

      So a mix of better education, technological advances, complex international arrangements, and much else – allow us to live in a world of comfort and fun that no other generation has ever had.

      Nobody would pay $600 for a lousy RCA television, when you could buy a higher-quality one from Sony or Panasonic or Sanyo, for half the price.

      NAFTA, GATT, WTO, the EU, and much else, have made the world we have, and hardly anyone complained. I think it’s rather too little rather too late Mr Buchanan was to say it was a huge mistake, or a malicious plot by the New World Order crowds (would that be code for George Soros and Friends?).

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:29 pm #

        It’s pointless arguing with you because you don’t share our premise. You don’t believe in the Nation State. You want to use them as simply a localization of the Globalist State. Maintain the pretext in order to fool people in other words.

        • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 12:30 am #

          I don’t recall saying anything at all about my views on the Nation State … it’s therefore inexplicable why you’re barking up this tree.

          Mind you – there are a lot of crimes and a lot of human misery that have been caused by (or exacerbated by) fervent adherence to the “nation state”.

          The working class of England (and indeed the US) had far more in common with the working class of Germany during WWI, than they had differences or enmity. The war was a ridiculous power-play by the aristocracy … nothing more.

          Anyway – my point was – if you wish to blame the Chicago School | Reagan | Thatcher | neoliberal globalist agenda for all that ails you, feel free.

          But the reality is, everyone wants a cheap TV and cheap shoes and socks … and they don’t give two hoots about a 56 yo American worker laid off by a factory closure in Podunk, Rust Belt.

          There is no antidote but to vote the Bernie! (Just kidding – don’t go feral).

  43. messianicdruid March 13, 2020 at 4:56 pm #

    GA – “Here in South Edinburgh, md, the talk is of little else.”

    Thanks, for some reason I’m not able to make replies.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:22 pm #

      Happens to me all the time. Did you say something “bad”?

  44. dah plunge protection team March 13, 2020 at 5:16 pm #

    Was that the Plunge Protection Team propping the market up today???? Or did we really have a 10% rise……. It frankly makes me kinda angry that the PPT is trying to save these Franken markets.

    • fugeguy March 13, 2020 at 5:55 pm #

      Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen-

      “A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money.”

      Trillions have just replaced billions.

      The time frame to quadrillions will be shorter me thinks.

      • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

        I thought it was Fidelity –Magellan funds Jeff Vinik, in the 1980s.

      • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 7:39 pm #

        What’s in a number anyway? Some commas and a whole lotta zeros, all of which have been replaced by digital bytes – mere ones and zeros – these days anyway. And I hear that those are infinite!

  45. 4014HAMPHEDGE March 13, 2020 at 5:24 pm #

    As schools close it would be natural and politically correct to immediately form gardening associations and let children volunteer thereby gaining family access to produce as crops mature. As the enormity of the challenge before us gains public attention this application of idle time will seem more desirable.

    Application of wealthy minds & money to other aspects of Famine Hedge requires understanding of likely “False Flag” events at the Geopolitical level. What better way for the gaggle of adversarial national leadership’ to coalesce than contrive to bring nuclear detonations in Troposphere above North America? Famine is the ideal way to conquer, having honorable mention in the Qur’an. Numerous ways to contain launch vehicles into close proximity or even inside US borders need not be enumerated here.

    EMP aftermath concerns impacts to “Just In Time” motor food distribution. Helpful primer for review is William Forstchen “ONE SECOND AFTER”. Unfortunate chain of events -in progress- drags railway mode back into solution set. Building back dormant rail links into agricultural districts is foremost component needed to enable food deliveries when volume long haul trucking is crippled. There will be no panacea processes bringing back “normal”. The main point, boys & girls, is simply living through the rest of this scary decade and maintaining the Union Of States.

    The (of late less) wealthy ones bailing out of electronic funds in time, interested in participating in Famine Hedge can reach this writer through the page proprietor: We share profound confidence in the railway as crucial component in rebuilding America, and no less than existential for lessening starvation and preventing national collapse in the future. We have comprehensive maps of US rail lines past and present, and ability to help dormant railway adoption efforts via cooperation with American Short Line Regional Railroad Association, and introduction to the US Army/Guard Railroad Battalion template as seen in Ft Eustis VA.

    See all time US Rail map atlas books at spv.co.uk. Plant vegetables!

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    • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm #

      From one of the more balanced Centre-Left websites:

      This global health crisis shows us how unfit Donald Trump is
      Donald Trump isn’t fit to be president of the United States even in the best of times, but this global health emergency has shown all of us just how dangerous he can be when an actual crisis hits his desk.

      It’s hard to tell whether the presidency is too big for him or if he’s just too small for it, but it is clear that he shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of power at any level of American government.

      And the Republican Party, paralyzed by cowardice and blind partisanship, would rather whistle past the graveyard than responsibly deal with this emergency as quickly as possible.

      At the end of the day, the GOP knows that if they sound the alarm now, it would be an acknowledgement that their dear leader has completely bungled this – and, boy, they couldn’t do that.

      So the American people are forced to wait out this crisis as Donald Trump – the chaos president – and his cult-like mob of sycophants in Congress try to convince us that this is all fine, nothing to see here, Trump is doing A-plus work.

      The least any of them could do is let the adults handle things for the next eight months until voters can send them back to where they belong.

      Lives depend on it.

      Seems pretty accurate to me … discuss in 500 words or fewer.

      • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 7:36 pm #

        Pretty accurate for the most part. However, it remains to be seen whether the American people will send the Great Orange One to the showers. Likewise, it remains to be seen whether apparent Dem nominee Joe Biden even remembers what a shower is anymore or whether the shameless Dems are smart enough to pinch hit for him with anyone better. It’s almost like the two parties are in cahoots on this, but that would be a conspiracy theory, and I think we’re not supposed to discuss things like that here.

        On the brighter side, I hear that homes of aging boomers are hitting the market now with their 3 year supply of hoarded butt wipes and hand sanitizer included. At substantial markup, of course.

      • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 7:37 pm #

        After reading Sander’s and Biden’s answers for the virus outbreak, I will take Trump’s group of adults any day. Esp. Biden and his Obamaesque globalism.

        • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 8:03 pm #

          25 words.

          • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 9:02 pm #

            Scientists, not politicians, in charge of the coronavirus response’ Let scientists and health professionals take charge. Stop spreading lies and focus on minimizing the risk

            Bernie Sanders

            25 words.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 2:37 pm #

            Including the politicians of the CDC. These bozos have said masks aren’t needed. One of my local health Scientists said that this is simply wrong. And that they are saying this because they don’t have enough masks for people. Thus expediency triumphs over truth.

            He also said how both a nurse and a doctor he knows in Clark County are being mocked by their colleagues for wearing masks – when everyone should be wearing them in hospitals. Insanity. And professionals can’t get it right, how will ordinary people?

      • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 8:06 pm #

        It’s interesting that you bot see it primarily as a tennis match between the two major parties.

        My first instinct is not to see it like that at all – the presidency of Trump has been a sick joke for more than three years, but now there is something of a national crisis, the joke isn’t funny any more.

        We operate somewhat differently – nobody has a fixed term – and any prime minister is far more likely to be tipped out by his or her own party, than by the other party after an election.

        Anyway – the Trump administration is so bad that it’s clear that the removal mechanism bar is set far too high. In any reasonably democracy he would have been dumped a long time ago – or he would never have risen to the party leadership in the first place.

        But I agree overall – notwithstanding the total incompetence of Trump, the Dems can’t even come up with a half-reasonable candidate, in a year when a victory should be almost assured, so the prize was quite attainable..

        It is mind-boggling.

        • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 8:42 pm #

          I think Trump is doing a decent job handling this situation. True, he hadn’t stockpiled 300 million corona virus testing kits in the White House in anticipation of the extraordinary events which have developed starting about 2 weeks ago … apparently he doesn’t have a crystal ball and can’t see into the future.

          WTF do you care anyway? Is everything under control in Australia? Apparently you have several million Chinese nationals living in Australia and they travel freely back and forth from Wuhan Province … are any of them infected?

          • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 9:12 pm #

            WTF do you care anyway?

            Your uncontrolled fetish about the fact that I live in a much better and more fortunate country is understandable, but very odd, and I think you should seek treatment (assuming you can afford it).

            We have a flip-head for a prime minister (“Scotty from Marketing”) who comes across as a nice but bumbling bloke, who missed his calling as the second-string woodwork teacher at a junior high school (no insult to teachers intended).

            But nevertheless he runs rings all around Trump – 5000% better at his job.

            There are strong ties between Australia and China – about 5% of the total population of 25m has Chinese ancestry, and about 40% of those were born in China. Very few from Wuhan.

            There is a lot of testing going on (hint – make the tests available to the states, and make it free!), there is a strong culture of self-isolation, especially about not going to work when ill, and a wide range of events have been cancelled.

            Schools are not generally closed – but they close for disinfecting when a case occurs in one.

            The number of cases remains small – about 200 – but it is still growing. Our real challenge is probably May to September, with winter weather and the flu season.

          • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 10:02 pm #

            You seem overly concerned with the United States

            Rest assured not too many people in the US are concerned with Australia.

            You just aren’t that important, no matter how many Chinese you import, how many guns you ban, and how much welfare your government hands out.


          • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 11:16 pm #

            Rest assured not too many people in the US are concerned with Australia.

            I have a personal interest in the politics, culture, and social behaviour of Americans – I’m like an anthropologist deep in a jungle, or a white-coated lab-worker peering into a Petri dish. It is interesting in its own right.

            And most Australians don’t care about or think about the US either – but when they do it’s nearly all negative. Our politicians are very fond – when criticising some decision or legislation – of abusing it by saying “it’s too American”.

            This is usually code for obsession with money at the cost of intangible values, a dog-eat-dog view, or an attack on the welfare net.

            So given there is a mutual disregard and dislike thing going on … aren’t you lucky that I enjoy America, enjoy James’ raves and rants, and enjoy the sparring on the form?

            But a few of youse could take the broom out of your bum, and gain a sense of humour … that would improve things for sure!

            Have a great weekend, comrade!

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:42 am #

        I have two and a half words:

        Lock er down.

  46. sevensec March 13, 2020 at 6:22 pm #

    Since we’re on the COVID-19 subject now–may we someday get off of it again–

    Did anyone here know that at the Wuhan Virology Laboratory (in ‘collaboration’ with UNC, Harvard and a couple others) they were recently quite busy creating… novel hybrid coronaviruses that could jump from bats to humans and also resist vaccination and antibodies?

    At the very least, some very heavy-duty “playing God” has been going on.

    They actually published some of their results in 2015–in Nature Medicine, very prestigious journal. They swapped a bat coronavirus spike protein into a SARS virus, resulting in a kind of super-coronavirus. It’s, um, definitely an interesting result.

    Paper title is: “SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronavirus pose threat for human emergence”.

    COVID19 looks like almost the same thing, except with a SARS-derived spike protein swapped into a bat coronavirus. Such a spike is not found naturally in any other member of the genus of coronavirus to which COVID19 belongs. It is as if it just happened to drop down from the sky. But it is the prime reason why the virus is able to jump species and probably resist vaccines.

    So whatever you may hear, it is indeed highly plausible that the COVID-19 virus is ultimately *artificial*. Likely a vaccine trial gone terribly wrong or escaped—though it might have been subsequently enhanced to be a bioweapon, who knows.

    Hooray, scientific progress…

    Another thing. From what I’ve read in the literature so far, a key reason we don’t have vaccines to coronaviruses like SARS or the common cold (as we do to seasonal flu), is that a lot of them don’t take kindly to vaccination. Especially with older animals, it is found that vaccination or previous infection does the *opposite* of immunizing: it *sensitizes* the subject so that upon re-challenge, they actually get sicker than before. There are some initial news reports starting to back this up.

    So if I may dare to make a suggestion: if you do catch it and seem okay, great, but *don’t catch it a second time!*

    • 4014HAMPHEDGE March 13, 2020 at 7:23 pm #

      This comment about “second time worse” seems analogous to barely touching Poison Oak and having all the previous blotches light up! It speaks to need for timely adjustment to proven food distribution methodology outside planned obsolescence Global Transportation Systems norms. Jim Kunstler understands.

      Back to sevensec for a moment:Is there a researcher’s lead there? More importantly maybe, reason for strict regional/National border quarantine ASAP and don’t get exposed the first time.

      Back to theme of next time worse theme: Not to be repetitive, but 1918 America criss-crossed with all sizes of rail lines including Interurban railways sharing local streetcar routes can be seen in archival photos of railway baggagemen handing down milk cans and crates of produce even during strict quarantine period. To restate:

      Highest and best use of sequestered wealth includes selecting and rehab of American farmland rail branch lines and rail-served urban warehousing. This is a rare and some would call eccentric position. With my background, knowledge and experience I can do no other.

      Not about playing trains: simply revisiting a proven locally scaled & maintained transport mode, fitted to renewable energy propulsion and small town mechanical expertise, ideal for meeting extraordinary threats coming our way. Please Billionaires, while you still are one, think about adopting a breadbasket rail link.

      • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 8:19 pm #

        There are about 600 billionaires in the US and they won’t be rebuilding local railroads. I know a little bit about small RRs in Ct, the Connecticut Western, the Canal Line, the Housatonic RR, they were built with funds raised by local subscription and investors from the towns in which the lines ran thru … I have an original copy of the engineering and construction plans of the Connecticut Western RR, built in 1870 from Hartford, Ct to Millerton, NY, which also lists the investors, everyone of them from Northwest Connecticut. The Yankees built themselves their own railroad. The Housatonic Valley RR was mostly funded by dairy farmers in western Mass and western Ct as a way to get their products into NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore and DC, hooking up with the NHRR in Bridgeport, Ct. It all lasted to about 1920. When I was a kid in the 70s most of the track was ripped up, however the Housy RR tracks were left intact and is operating again, moving freight up and down western New England. There are plans in the works to bring back passenger service.

        I’d love to see trains come back, but I doubt it will happen. The rights of way are still there, now part of the ‘Rail to Trails’ project. It would have to be a local initiative, but where would the money come from? Environmental groups would file lawsuits. Property owners would complain about the noise of running trains, as is happening now in Plainville — a slow moving freight train derailed last week, backing up traffic and p#ssing everybody off. Perhaps sometime in the far future when the oil runs out they’ll be laying track and building steam trains once again, using the old railbeds built by Irish laborers in the 1840s. It’s been done once it could be done again, but it would have to be out of necessity, not, like you say ‘playing with trains”.


      • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 8:24 pm #

        Many of the old train stations still exist some dating back to the 1880s and older. They are architectural treasures.

  47. Pucker March 13, 2020 at 6:28 pm #

    Covid 19 is an “RNA Virus”.

    “ Whenever an organism reproduces, its genes try to make exact copies of themselves. But sometimes mistakes—mutations—occur in this process. This is true whether the genes belong to people, plants, or viruses. The more advanced the organism, however, the more mechanisms exist to prevent mutations. A person mutates at a much slower rate than bacteria, bacteria mutate at a much slower rate than a virus—and a DNA virus mutates at a much slower rate than an RNA virus. DNA has a kind of built-in proofreading mechanism to cut down on copying mistakes. RNA has no proofreading mechanism whatsoever, no way to protect against mutation. So viruses that use RNA to carry their genetic information mutate much faster—from 10,000 to 1 million times faster—than any DNA virus. Different RNA viruses mutate at different rates as well. A few mutate so rapidly that virologists consider them not so much a population of copies of the same virus as what they call a “quasi species” or a “mutant swarm.” These mutant swarms contain trillions and trillions of closely related but different viruses. Even the viruses produced from a single cell will include many different versions of themselves, and the swarm as a whole will routinely contain almost every possible permutation of its genetic code. Most of these mutations interfere with the functioning of the virus and will either destroy the virus outright or destroy its ability to infect. But other mutations, sometimes in a single base, a single letter, in its genetic code will allow the virus to adapt rapidly to a new situation. It is this adaptability that explains why these quasi species, these mutant swarms, can move rapidly back and forth between different environments and also develop extraordinarily rapid drug resistance. As one investigator has observed, the rapid mutation “confers a certain randomness to the disease processes that accompany RNA [viral] infections.” Influenza is an RNA virus. So are HIV and the coronavirus. And of all RNA viruses, influenza and HIV are among those that mutate the fastest. The influenza virus mutates so fast that 99 percent of the 100,000 to 1 million new viruses that burst out of a cell in the reproduction process are too defective to infect another cell and reproduce again. But that still leaves between 1,000 and 10,000 viruses that can infect another cell. Both influenza and HIV fit the concept of a quasi species, of a mutant swarm. In both, a drug-resistant mutation can emerge within days. And the influenza virus reproduces rapidly—far faster than HIV. Therefore it adapts rapidly as well, often too rapidly for the immune system to respond.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

    • ellipsis March 13, 2020 at 7:26 pm #

      Mutant swarms. Hmm… I’m surprised DoD hasn’t tried to weaponize them yet. Oh, wait…

      • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 8:03 pm #

        Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.

  48. elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 7:01 pm #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    It has been reported, on the BBC site this PM, that a British woman has invented a woman’s urinal, so that women will be inconvenienced at only a minimum in public restrooms. A pic;


    I expect that the women on the site can better explain how to use the device, as woman’s plumbing is still something of a mystery….

    • elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 7:03 pm #

      And…the link;


    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 8:05 pm #

      I like mysteries.

      • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 8:07 pm #

        Okay, ladies! Speak out. Do you mind going standing up like Shepee?

  49. Laundromat Blues March 13, 2020 at 7:41 pm #

    Larry Bird had black kids wishing they were white. Janos. Johnny Arizona. All the rest. Talent trumps racism. This is a real hero.

    • CancelMyCard March 13, 2020 at 8:35 pm #

      Larry Bird was one of the greatest human beings of all time.


      The man had class, talent, and an ability to relate to the average person.

      Got anyone else that can fill those shoes?

      • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 9:44 pm #

        The last white NBA star. And he retired about 40 years ago.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 11:47 pm #

      and Black girls choose White or light toned dolls.

      Draw yr own conclusions.

      B—aka Beyonce has done what she can to look YT…and ‘sings’ Becky with the good hair.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:25 pm #

      Really? Cuz Black kids never wear the names or numbers of White players but White kids do for Black players.

      And as far as grown men who wear the names or numbers of other men, the less said the better.

  50. Tate March 13, 2020 at 8:28 pm #

    My son said he witnessed a caravan of cars following a truck filled with toilet paper going to a Walmart store this afternoon. These are mostly hysterical women, we may assume. The female of the species really feels vulnerable without toilet paper, LOL. After this blows over, the Democrats will be demanding free TP as a basic human right, including to “undocumented workers.”

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    • CancelMyCard March 13, 2020 at 8:40 pm #

      Females use 7 times the amount of TP as men.

      This has been documented by trail guides that bring people into the back woods: they have to bring 7 TP rolls for each female, for every 1 for males.

      True, for each of his expeditions over the lat 20 years.


      • EvelynV March 13, 2020 at 10:38 pm #

        Maybe has to do with how many creeps pull up their undies without wiping.

        You know the type, red hats with MAGA across the front,

    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

      You will give me (TP <–Link) for my bunghole.

    • malthuss March 13, 2020 at 11:48 pm #

      funny..weird. Bidet where r u?

  51. Pucker March 13, 2020 at 8:41 pm #

    Antigen Drift….

    “ But sometimes mutations change the shape of the hemagglutinin or neuraminidase enough that the immune system can’t read them. The antibodies that bound perfectly to the old shapes do not fit well to the new one. This phenomenon happens so often it has a name: “antigen drift.” When antigen drift occurs, the virus can gain a foothold even in people whose immune system has loaded itself with antibodies that bind to the older shapes. Obviously, the greater the change, the less efficiently the immune system can respond. One way to conceptualize antigen drift is to think of a football player wearing a uniform with white pants, a green shirt, and a white helmet with a green V emblazoned on it. The immune system can recognize this uniform instantly and attack it. If the uniform changes slightly—if, for example, a green stripe is added to the white pants while everything else remains the same—the immune system will continue to recognize the virus with little difficulty. But if the uniform goes from green shirt and white pants to white shirt with green pants, the immune system may not recognize the virus so easily. Antigen drift can create epidemics. One study found nineteen discrete, identifiable epidemics in the United States in a thirty-three-year period—more than one every other year. Each one caused between ten thousand and forty thousand “excess deaths” in the United States alone—an excess over and above the death toll usually caused by the disease. As a result influenza kills more people in the United States than any other infectious disease, including AIDS.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

    • Pucker March 13, 2020 at 8:49 pm #

      The Covid 19 virus may have been engineered so that the shape of the virus’s antigens mutate so rapidly that the body’s antibodies quickly lose the ability to recognize and thereby attack the virus’s antigens such that the risk of reinfection is ever present.

    • K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 8:53 pm #

      I have an old school mechanical stopwatch. We can drive around town and pull into small businesses. Seven Elevens, I-HOPs, gas station mini marts. That sort of thing. You torch up a fattie in the parking lotand stroll in coughing through the front door. I’ll click the stopwatch and we’ll see how fast places clear out. Once we get the hang of it we can sell squares in a grid like those people buy when they bet on football games. People can guess how fast new places will empty out. We can have a You Tube channel.

      • EvelynV March 13, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

        Have some squares for those who want to buy a chance on how long before someone pushes your face through the back of your head for coughing on them without covering your blowhole.

        • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 2:01 am #

          That is why I am the one holding the stopwatch.

          • Robert White March 14, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

            I’ll be the bookie taking all the bets.


  52. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 9:05 pm #

    Time for some Burma shave Bernie:

    President Trump’s response to the coronavirus has been incompetent, political and reckless. He has given wrong and misleading information about the outbreak, wasted precious time playing petty politics, and called the criticism of his coronavirus response a hoax. Even worse, he is all but ignoring the recommendations of scientists and public health professionals — the experts we must rely upon if we are to successfully address the pandemic.

    Burma Shave

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 10:12 pm #

      You are wrong. You obviously did not watch the presser announcement today. The dais was nothing but those scientists and doctors you are bitching about not being there. You talking about petty politics is humorous.

      • EvelynV March 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm #


        Isn’t it too bad they were invited to provide optics for the fat orange bastard a month too late?

        What are they even doing there?

        Fat bastard should be in quarantine along with his obsequious lap dog Lindsey and they should be doing their jobs

      • Cargill March 13, 2020 at 10:35 pm #

        You obviously did not watch the presser announcement today.

        I did.

        What was supposed to be a major PR stunt for Trump and Pence, the decent journos there weren’t having any f it, and asked some awkward questions. Trump snapped back like the man-child he is.

        So public relations tactic fell in a heap for Trump yet again … yet again.

        • Nightowl March 16, 2020 at 6:05 am #

          Guyz, check out my sweet fake noos links.

  53. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 9:06 pm #

    In the midst of a global healthcare crisis, how could anybody gain public confidence by appointing Mike Pence to lead the coronavirus task force — a politician with no scientific background. We need a president who believes in science and listens to scientists. We need a president who is for expanding — not cutting — funding to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Institutes of Health (NIH). And we need a president who believes in American leadership that works with our international partners in the World Health Organization (WHO), and other entities that deal with global health.

    Burma Shave

    • BackRowHeckler March 13, 2020 at 9:42 pm #

      Who should he have appointed?

      How about the Mayor of Seattle? He’s a man who gets things done haha.

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:58 am #

        Would you call her a man to her face?

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 10:07 pm #

      The WHO was worthless in this effort! If China had attacked this virus immediately as it eventually did, it would’ve stayed in China.

      Collective bureaucratic agencies always suck at handling anything.

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:56 am #

        China actually did pretty well and they have it under control. We do not.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:30 pm #

        We learned nothing from China or Italy. Allowing disease vectors to fly right in after the Crisis was full blown over there. You Cultists are thinking in very conventional terms. Speed is of the essence. Extreme speed. Trump was too busy patting himself on the back to shut things down. He blew it in the biggest possible way.

        The truly Great Man, the Coming King on the White Horse, will not be like this at all.

  54. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 9:07 pm #

    Here is some of what must be done: the Senate must approve and Trump must sign the bipartisan emergency funding passed by the House, and the administration should provide any additional resources needed by state and local agencies on the frontlines of this effort. To measure the scope of the outbreak, the CDC and other agencies must have the ability to conduct thorough “contact tracing” investigations, so we know who has been exposed and whether they are spreading the disease. Hospitals and clinics must get ahead of this virus by increasing their intensive care unit (ICU), ventilator, and staffing capacity to prepare for a potential surge in cases. And since people who live in close living quarters are especially vulnerable, we must focus attention on institutions like nursing and long-term care facilities to both minimize transmission risk and address the healthcare needs of residents in the event of an outbreak.

    Burma Shave

  55. K-Dog March 13, 2020 at 9:08 pm #

    Universal health care is a must

    When we are dealing with the spread of a deadly virus, the first thing scientists tell us is that it is imperative for anyone who experiences flu-like symptoms to go to a doctor. But, as a result of our dysfunctional healthcare system, tens of millions of Americans are uninsured or underinsured and do not seek medical attention when they need it because they cannot afford it. The Trump administration must make clear that, until we pass universal health care, as every major country on earth has done, all Americans right now should be able to receive the medical care they need, without worrying about the cost. If we are to stop the spread of this disease, everybody should get the medical treatment they need regardless of their income.

    End Burma Shave Bernie

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    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 9:55 pm #

      They just passed a bill to do exactly that and Trump will sign it. Did you listen to his speech today? No one is going to get hurt financially by the virus. Canada and the US will definitely be compared for the effectiveness of the two health care systems to this epidemic. Europe’s vaunted health care is not doing too well.

      Just a comment on how hard it is to break old habits. Trump shook hands with at least four people today at his presser like a reflex. One of the speakers bumped elbows and there were no more hands shook. Then the press started asking questions, passing a microphone from reporter to reporter. Smart!

      • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 12:53 am #

        Did you listen to his speech today? No one is going to get hurt financially by the virus.

        LOL … given Trump’s record on big statements and no delivery, I wouldn’t be popping any champagne corks quite yet.

        Presumably sensible American people want a president who can actually walk the talk … not just spout hot air when it suits him.

        Is he going to repay the $20,000 some Americans in Europe paid to get a high-price flight home – having been totally misled, confused, and panicked by the Orange Man’s dreadful Wednesday performance?

        • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 3:58 pm #

          Did you listen to his speech today? No one is going to get hurt financially by the virus.

          LOL … given Trump’s record on big statements and no delivery, I wouldn’t be popping any champagne corks quite yet. – Casgill


          Taking into account how BAD Trump’s delivery of a speech can be (the inappropriateness of his concerns relative to the concerns of NORMAL human beings, his unfinished thoughts and incomplete sentences……… an apologist here for Trump once explained that he deals in ‘memes’ and that that somehow makes complete sentences and thoughts unnecessary) I thought his speech yesterday in which he declared a National Emergency was one of his better outings. But, what pissed me off was the optics of his introducing one corporate poohbah after another with a HANDSHAKE. And he did this right in front of Dr Fauchi and other medical pros who have told us a thousand times NOT to shake hands. It is such a slap in the face and the wrong message to be putting out to the public. Why doesn’t this guy get it?!?!

          • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

            Make that Cargill.

        • Nightowl March 16, 2020 at 6:07 am #

          I could fly “home” from Germany right now for USD 300 on several airlines.

          Pre-corona price was 850.

          Cargill in coming hard with fake noos factz.

    • JohnAZ March 13, 2020 at 10:03 pm #

      I will agree with you on one thing. The only source of capital big enough to supply reactions like this is the printing presses of the Feds. The national emergency is a month late. Next time a novel virus is detected anywhere, emergency control needs to be done immediately. Just think what would have transpired if China had put the clamp down on day one. This epidemic might have been just an interesting note in a virology journal.

      We, the world, need to be able to shift to autocratic control when something like this occurs again. And it will.

      • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 12:43 am #

        We, the world, need to be able to shift to autocratic control when something like this occurs again. And it will.

        Not when you have ideological taliban like Moscow Mitch running the Senate like a fiefdom.

        • Billy Hill March 14, 2020 at 6:54 pm #

          I am no longer convinced you are Australian, but are a DNC mouthpiece/troll. “Moscow Mitch.” Good Grief. How did we come to this? Why do you ape the tropes of the Orange one? At least your arrant smugness gets in the way of overt rhetorical pornography a’la Evelyn V. She has at last discovered her inner editor but, need we say more?

          BUT — if you in fact do live in Australia — is it true that there is an area at Pine Gap off limits to Australians, accessible only to Americans?

          Was the Queen involved in the removal from office of Gough Whitlam? Did the Crown in fact execute it?

          Just curious.

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 12:51 am #

            BUT — if you in fact do live in Australia — is it true that there is an area at Pine Gap off limits to Australians, accessible only to Americans? Was the Queen involved in the removal from office of Gough Whitlam? Did the Crown in fact execute it?

            Just curious.

            Funny you should mention it.

            We lived in Alice Springs (the site of Pine Gap) for quite a few years, and we knew many of the Americans based there – straight Defence types, technical contractors, and then the super-classified spy types from CIA, NSA, and the other signals / ballistics brains.

            We played softball every afternoon through the summer – there were about twenty teams from the Base, and a couple of Aussie teams too. SInce it was 100F every day, it was a requirement that you had a beer between your feet when in the field. Not a serious league.

            Anyway – yes – some lunar left factions in the Whitlam Government threatened to open up Pine Gap and have a look inside. The CIA said no – and went to the Queen and “requested” that Whitlam be sacked. She complied.

            Whatever records, diaries, and documents exist in any of the three countries relating to these events, they are locked up – presumably in perpetuity, or at least until everyone alive in 1975 is beyond caring.

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 1:09 am #

            And the softball teams had some neat names.

            We had several RAAF (air force) players, so we were called Riff-Raff. The Americans were things like the D-Crew Demons, the Saddam Satans, Beijing Bombers, and so on. It was good fun.

            We had lots of serious drinking session with the American guys – no matter how much vodka and tequila went under the bridge, they never broke their codes of security. Impressive, the Yanks.

            It was when I first met a lot of African-Americans – they (and lots of the white guys too) – loved living in Alice Springs.

            They were good community types too – all the base wives ran stuff at the schools, and the guys built a baseball stadium to the exact dimensions of (old) Yankee Stadium.

          • BackRowHeckler March 15, 2020 at 10:10 am #

            Alice Springs? … is that near Whoop whoop?

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 3:16 pm #

            Alice Springs? … is that near Whoop whoop?

            I just so admire the quality of the debate and the class of the people on this forum … it’s why I keep coming back.

            And a typical redneck … if Fox News hasn’t told me, or it’s not on the side of a milk carton, then it doesn’t exist or it didn’t happen.

        • Majella March 16, 2020 at 6:11 am #

          “Whoop whoop” probably meant “Wop-wops”

  56. Pucker March 13, 2020 at 9:14 pm #

    Mutant Swarm – This phenomenon might explain why the Chinese “Post-Doc” working in the Wuhan P4 lab died immediately upon infection but a much less lethal but highly virulent and latent version of the virus (the Covid 19 virus) was then transmitted to people due to improper handling of the corpse? It seems that many epidemics involve an intermediary host, often swine. In this case, the intermediary host causing the relevant mutation may have been the female Chinese “Post-Doc” lab worker? The virus would have produced and shedded millions of mutations, but only one was the lucky, successful Covid 19 virus?

    I think that this is a very creepy story. Imagine the father’s grief upon hearing of his daughter’s horrible tragic death and his cries of anguish calling forth a horrifying demon pestilence from Hell literally rising from his daughter’s dead body? Horrifying….

    • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 12:41 am #

      I think that this is a very creepy story.

      Yes, no doubt a very creepy story. But is there any evidence – anything at all really, on here or elsewhere – to indicate that any of this might have actually happened?

      And how does it sit down with the competing narrative that You Yanks created it as a bioweapon, and somehow got it into the lab in Wuhan?

      • Pucker March 14, 2020 at 3:22 am #

        I know several credible Chinese scientists in-the-know who subscribe to this story, but not publicly.

        • Robert White March 14, 2020 at 2:04 pm #

          Most of the alternative heterodox views are posted on unz.com from what I can determine. It’s worth a gander IMHO.

          It’s the Doomsday Machine from Star Trek, Puck.


          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:32 pm #

            Yes, we failed with the color revolution/coup in Hong Kong so try, try again.

          • Billy Hill March 14, 2020 at 7:09 pm #

            It’s a plausibly deniable scenario.

            If these bastards of whatever nationality mean business the next act is serious — not wimpy ransomware, or idiotic obvious malware. I’m talking DEFCON 1 level cyberwarfare.

            At this point at least stuff almost works.

            Welcome to WW3.

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 3:41 pm #

            Most of the alternative heterodox views are posted on unz.com from what I can determine. It’s worth a gander IMHO.

            I had a look, and it seems interesting enough to bookmark – thanks. But a lot of the articles just remain speculative – more detail than thought-bubbles, but still just hypertheticals.

  57. 100th Avatar March 13, 2020 at 10:26 pm #

    Election season and all the bots are back

    Zero sum.

    If you detest the sleazy Biden and the corrupt regime of Obama you like Trump.

    • ellipsis March 14, 2020 at 6:01 am #

      And if you detest them all you laugh and shake your head. Takes me back to the classic chicken or the egg argument. Is it the dysfunctional system that produces such craven politicians, or do the naturally craven politicians produce such a dysfunctional system? The debate rages on…

  58. elysianfield March 13, 2020 at 11:07 pm #

    Journal of the Plague Year; 13 Mar 2020

    Wife and I live as remote and secluded as you might be able to imagine with the addition of electricity and paved road. Neighbors 1/2 mile away in either direction, 20+ minutes to a loaf of bread…no cell service. Spent considerable energy to become self sufficient, and have succeeded to an admirable degree.

    Then the wife got cancer. Where, before the diagnosis, we might spend 2 weeks + without leaving the ranch, now our trips to Coos Bay, and the regional hospital there, are weekly, and sometimes even several times a week…a cosmic poke in the eye Today, as an example.

    Received a call last night from the hospital, reminding us that our appointment on the 13th for a CAT scan. Was told that a new procedure at the hospital required that all personnel, visitors and patients were to wear N95 masks at all times (as a prophylactic attempt) to slow the advent of the CV disease. Masks were to be proffered at all entrances. Mandatory use. I was heartened by this procedure, as it is rational, reasonable, and would prove helpful. Sooo, the next day we presented ourselves at the facility, donned masks and walked to Medical Imaging. No one, and I mean, no one was wearing masks…in the entire hospital, we saw but a few wearers. Well, we kept ours on and finished our business at the hospital. Then on to Wally World.

    The scene (as one wag described) could be called “The
    Toilet Paper Thunderdome”. 1300 hours and the parking lot was FULL… Entered the scrum with some trepidation (Considering the current or soon-to-be diseased demographic) to find the crowd orderly but filling shopping carts with purpose. Noticed no toilet paper or sanitizer on the shelves…all empty I needed but a few items for the wife, and felt…vaguely unclean the entire time in the store, and left in a hurry. Consider, dear reader, that there is not a reported case of the CV in our county…yet binge buying. I do not intend to go back to that store on the short term…weeks or months, if I have any thing to say about it…we had been using the pharmacy for prescriptions, but will change that. Other major food outlets were similarly packed, judged by their parking lots.

    Just received an Email from our library system. They will close (for the duration), for the most part, but offer curbside service if books are ordered by Email or telephone…not unreasonable.

    The wife and I are in the “danger demographic”. Wife gets the CV, it might finish her. I get the CV, even if the wife does not, and I cannot perform my primary care giver duties…wife goes into assisted care, or worse. We will play the hand as dealt.

    We do, indeed, live in interesting times.

    • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 1:18 am #

      Then the wife got cancer. Where, before the diagnosis, we might spend 2 weeks + without leaving the ranch, now our trips to Coos Bay, and the regional hospital there, are weekly, and sometimes even several times a week …

      After our early retirement we considered a tree-change, or possibly a sea-change … Australia has a lot of wild and lightly populated coast. But my two greatest concerns were (a) so much reliance on driving everywhere, and (b) the logistics if one of us fell ill.

      Fortunately we’ve not suffering anything life-threatening quite yet, but I certainly have many more medical appointments at 67 than I did at 57 or 47. Presumably they’ll increase.

      I miss the satisfaction of living in the country or right on the water, but the benefit of big-city living (in a nice leafy neighbourhood), and regular holidays, are pretty good too.

      Good luck with your wife’s illness / treatment, and all the best for the future!

    • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 8:51 am #


      For what it’s worth, I’m praying for you and your wife.

      I’ve been trying to take a few precautions here, but the women are carrying on as if nothing has changed, under the rubric “We’ve been thru a lot worse than this in Spain”. So its piling into their cherry red Volvo for a daily round of shopping, hair appointments, more shopping, lunch dates etc ,., generally living the Ct suburban life as they imagined it in Europe.

      They’re a pretty healthy bunch. As for me having had pneumonia a few times (more than a few) I’m susceptible to lung ailments … if I don’t post on here you’ll know I’m down.

      Apparently there is evidence now that this virus doesn’t thrive in sunshine and warm weather; hopefully this pandemic will fade as spring and summer approaches.


      • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 9:30 am #

        Aren’t they worried about bringing the virus home to you, brh? Sounds a bit thoughtless, sorry.

        How many women have you got living with you? It always sounds to me like you live in Connecticut’s version of South Fork!

        EF, best of luck to you and your wife. You have enough on your plate.

        • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 3:24 pm #

          I thought about putting my foot down, but it would be like Orwells picture of the future “a boot on a human face”, except for me it would be “high heels on Marlin’s face”.


          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:35 pm #

            You kinky bastard! Seriously though, I hope they appreciate you. Maybe even love….

      • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 3:14 pm #

        if I don’t post on here you’ll know I’m down. – BRH


        When I stopped posting here for 3 months (Dec 6 thru Mar 6) I was antsy because I didn’t want people to think I had croaked. So I decided that if I DID croak I would make a point to leave a comment advising ya’ll that I had. 😉 😉

        • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 3:21 pm #

          I know. I tried to draw you out with my posts about Two Ton Tony Galento, a fellow New Jerseyite. When you didn’t respond I thought for sure you were a goner.


          • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 9:45 pm #

            I tried to draw you out with my posts about Two Ton Tony Galento, – BRH


            I noticed your attempt and 1 or 2 by others but I was bound and determined to beat my CFN addiction. Well, we see how that turned out. Now you couldn’t shut me up if you tried.

    • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 2:59 pm #

      Interesting, ely, and well told. Sorry to hear about your wife’s medical condition. I worry about MY wife because as a child she was severely asthmatic but once she got past high school age she overcame it and now is healthy as a horse. If anything were to happen to her I would be so fucked. And she feels the same about me.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:36 pm #

        Is she an atheist too?

        • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 6:53 pm #

          Is she an atheist too? – Janos


          She IS but she would never blatantly declare “I am an atheist” (as I eventually came to do) because she knows it would be hurtful to certain ‘believers’ like, say, her mother (since deceased) and other relatives and friends.

          In the privacy of our home she has no compunction in scoffing at some bloviating televangelist. And, for my part, I groan if I see a basketball player make the sign of the cross before taking a foul shot. Does he imagine that God is going to suspend the laws of physics to make his shot go in while simultaneously screwing the opposing team? The absurdities of ‘belief’ are endless. I see that Trump has declared tomorrow as some kind of day of prayer or whatever. If Pence is running this show tomorrow that would be one thing but coming from Trump I smell disingenuous political opportunism. The Jesus-freaks in his ‘base’ will love it.

          In my case, I have a problem in not being up front with people. I want to shock some sense into their heads…like your’s. I suspect Green Alba feels something like this. She was a believer in her youth but as she grew older………. well, you get my drift.

          It is like this with full-blown socialism. It seems like such a wonderful idea to the young but as they grow older they become more conservative and realize that it’s a pipe dream that doesn’t conform to human nature. Only that should be socialized when there is no other way. This pandemic is presenting certain necessities for socialism.

          • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 4:51 pm #

            Thank God for atheists!

            One of the (many) real pleasures in living in The Land Down Under is that it is overwhelmingly secular. I don’t mean that the people are overwhelmingly atheist (but a goodly proportion are of course – probably a majority).

            It is that the culture is secular. If you are religious, that’s fine, but you keep it to yourself – or share it with your congregation – it is not kosher to display it grandly, or make any assumptions that others share your belief. Politicians definitely risk disapproval if they play the god card at all – it’s a private matter.

            I had a work colleague (a born-again happy-clapper type) who would say “God Bless” rather than “Goodbye” when you parted – until another colleague told him to STFU with that nonsense.

            In Australia, freedom of religion is protected and guaranteed – but so is freedom from religion – but in this regard we have to remain vigilant … we occasionally have our version of the US case of the baker who wouldn’t do the gay cake.

          • Q. Shtik March 15, 2020 at 6:22 pm #


            Only that which must should be socialized

          • GreenAlba March 16, 2020 at 10:41 am #

            I’m like your wife, mostly, Q, in that my mother died without ever knowing I’d stopped going to church (it helps when you don’t live near your relllies!) and my more churchy older cousins, whom I only really see these days at funerals once in a blue moon, don’t know either. Why would you offend people, as you say? (Although my younger brother still remembers with some annoyance how our older cousin up north (a converted ‘Wee Free’) told him years ago, with no compunction, that he was going to hell!!!).

            My brothers gave it up way earlier than I did: one quietly declined to make his ‘profession of faith’ at 16, while the other one did make his but never went back to church afterwards except for hatches, matches and dispatches.

            Brits are more reticent about discussing religion in public anyway, so it’s easy to go through life without ever knowing what some of your friends really believe in their heart of hearts, unless they’re enthusiastic evangelical types (relatively rare) or otherwise regular churchgoers (also a shrinking breed). This is the only ‘place’ where I’ve made more than a passing comment to people about my beliefs or lack of them.

            I agree with your exasperation re ‘sporting Christianity’. As if God should be distracted from (not) worrying about children dying in Yemen to concentrate on the desired outcome of your basketball game or Olympic hurdles race. The narcissism of it beggars belief.

            Apparently Phillip II of Spain never got over the fact that his prayers weren’t answered regarding the Spanish Armada. He just assumed God must automatically be on his side, while the English continued to assume he was on theirs.

            Craziness all round.

          • GreenAlba March 16, 2020 at 10:54 am #

            “This is the only ‘place’ where I’ve made more than a passing comment to people about my beliefs or lack of them.”

            Except, like yourself, at home, with my Irish husband educated by the Christian Brothers!

            His younger brother in Dublin told me he was incensed that he couldn’t officially leave or resign from the Catholic Church – as a gesture. I told him it didn’t really work like that, as far as I knew. My husband just said (to me) ‘Why would you be arsed? If you make a grand gesture of ‘leaving’, you’re just acknowledging that they have power over you. They should be ignored.’

            He never discusses religion with anyone and thinks you should never argue with religious people because it’s utterly pointless. Then he quotes: “Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt” or variations thereof.

  59. aibohphobia March 13, 2020 at 11:11 pm #

    Well, it’s exciting times here in Rural British Columbia!
    BC has decided to put most of its specialty medical care in Vancouver. This means that, if you live elsewhere in BC and you need a specialized test, exam, or medical care, you have to go to Vancouver to get it done.
    Two weeks ago, my wife went to a Vancouver hospital for such a consult. A week ago, she began to cough, and now has symptoms consistent with COVID-19.
    She got the swab test today. Our rural hospital has a very limited number of tests. The doctor told us, “If we do this test, your household will be on quarantine for 2 weeks.” I got the impression that he was giving us a choice to decline the test and avoid quarantine.
    She got the test, and now I am on quarantine with her. It will take nine (9) days to get the results back. Because I am in healthcare, my 2+ week departure will add stress to an already strained health system.
    BC has low numbers of COVID positive results, but this could be partly because there are limited numbers of test kits available, and the patient apparently has the option to decline the test even if the symptoms and medical history match the COVID profile.
    If you live in BC, I recommend that you stay away from public areas as much as possible, especially Vancouver.


    PS– About 10 days ago, a Bulgarian man came to see me at my workplace. He had a list of Bulgarian medicines to find, and asked me to help figure them out. He had been in Bulgaria for 6 weeks, and got a CAT scan and X-rays of his chest and abdomen while there “for gallstones.” Oddly, he threw away the scans and medical reports and returned to Canada. I sent him to his doctor.

    I wonder if the Bulgarians figured out that he had Corona virus, didn’t want to spend the money to treat him, and sent him back to Canada. That would explain why he threw out all his medical records before hitting the border–so that he would not be refused re-entry.

    These are the kinds of things that can happen in a Pandemic. Hopefully it will blow over in a month or less…

  60. wpa_ccc March 13, 2020 at 11:36 pm #

    “They just passed a bill to do exactly that and Trump will sign it. … No one is going to get hurt financially by the virus.” –JohnAZ

    The fact that Trump will sign it means Bernie Sanders has already won. Everyone is embracing FREE healthcare for all… plus paid sick leave Bernie advocated for… plus expanded unemployment insurance Bernie advocated for… the whole damn Congress and the White House are now on board with Bernie’s ideas because Bernie is right. He doesn’t need to be elected. He has won the ideological debate and the votes and president’s signature are the proof. The bipartisan bill passed today includes free coronavirus testing for every American who needs it, including the uninsured. It will also provide emergency paid sick leave and expand unemployment insurance, among other things. Go, Bernie!

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    • wpa_ccc March 13, 2020 at 11:47 pm #

      By the way, that is what democratic socialism looks like. Congress voted to socialize health care expenses and Trump will sign the socialized medicine bill passed today. Bernie’s basic position of government paying for FREE health care for all is validated by Congressional bipartisan vote and Trump’s signature. The American people are the winners, the beneficiaries of Bernie’s idea of democratic socialism. As JohnAZ said: “No one is going to get hurt financially…” and that is exactly the idea behind Bernie’s democratic socialism. Mission accomplished.

      • ellipsis March 14, 2020 at 6:21 am #

        A moral victory, yes. But I doubt it’s a permanent winner anytime soon. Big capital doesn’t roll over nearly that easily.

        • Majella March 16, 2020 at 6:19 am #

          But once In place, it’s a bitch to go back…

  61. malthuss March 13, 2020 at 11:52 pm #

    OMG, I definitely wouldn’t want to be around her when she was drunk

    Considering the Body Count, I dont want to be around her, even when she is sober.
    She has fallen down 2 times in public and has Parkinsons [or worse].

    • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 5:07 am #

      OMG, I definitely wouldn’t want to be around her when she was drunk

      Who is this “her” referring to? There is no information in your post to indicate what previous post has attracted your comment. Please lift your game – much appreciated.

      • Majella March 14, 2020 at 8:41 am #

        Her = HRC (from back always…)

        • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 5:36 pm #

          Thanks Majella for assisting me up the “learning” curve (or perhaps down it …)

  62. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 3:36 am #

    Apparently, the “Holy Grail” of bioweapons research is to create a germ that can quickly wipe out the population of a city but burn itself out quickly so that it does not blow back to attack your own people. Using an RNA virus like a Type A influenza (Type C?) or a corona virus would be a piss-poor candidate since these viruses mutate at furious, insane rates and, therefore, easily run amok.

    Of course, knowing the Com…munist Chinese, they’ll endeavor to overcome this problem to create the perfect bioweapon just to show the “superiority” of the Chinese com…munist system and the superiority of the Chinese race. And then they’ll fuck it up…. They’re quite MAD….

    • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 4:51 am #

      Com…munist Chinese

      Do you want to advise why you do this shit every time you write this word?

      Are you such an infant that you can’t just write the word “Communist”?

      • Pucker March 14, 2020 at 5:04 am #

        Calm down….

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

        He’s afraid They are watching for the word. Are you such an infant that you don’t know this?

        • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 9:52 pm #

          He’s afraid They are watching for the word. Are you such an infant that you don’t know this?

          LOL. Are They the loopy Demo Deep State, who want to induct him to the left-wing cult, or the right-wing nut-job Deep State that will hunt him down and leave him packing shelves in WalMart – if he’s lucky?

          Anyway – some tinfoil inside his red cap should solve things.

    • elysianfield March 14, 2020 at 11:56 am #

      I am of the understanding that any Bioweapon engineered would never be used without the cure or antidote at hand well prior to any release.

  63. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 4:34 am #

    The Federal Reserve must be buying up the stock market? What could possibly go wrong?

    “Stocks soared Friday as Wall Street rebounded from the sharp losses suffered in the previous session — the worst since the “Black Monday” market crash in 1987.“

    • ellipsis March 14, 2020 at 6:14 am #

      We’ll call it capunism. The best of both worlds without that ugly ‘comm’ prefix. Supporters will hereby be denigrated by the term “cappies.” As in: you fucking cappie, you!

  64. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 5:56 am #

    Someone who recently arrived from London said that the NHS is preparing part of Hyde Park to be a morgue. Is this true?

  65. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 6:07 am #

    Apparently, viruses are not living organisms, but rather simple chemical combinations. One theory is that viruses were once living organisms that devolved into simpler substances. Viruses survive and multiply by infecting live cells and hijacking the live cells’ DNA. In other words, viruses are like demons than possess the living and feed upon the living, a type of parasite, like governments feeding upon host societies. It may be that viruses are like swarms of bees, ants, or piranha fish that swarm and act as a single larger organism? The Covid 19 virus might be a huge virus swarm that acts as a single larger organism?

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    • ellipsis March 14, 2020 at 6:17 am #

      In other words, viruses are like demons tha[t] possess the living and feed upon the living, a type of parasite, like governments feeding upon host societies.

      I think you hit it right on the head there.

      • Majella March 14, 2020 at 8:44 am #

        Really? Who hereabouts is calling for “government” to back off from pandemic management? From financial aid to all & sundry?

        • Pucker March 14, 2020 at 10:21 am #

          It’d be irresponsible to rely on the government as they’ve already badly mismanaged virus mitigation. You need to rely upon yourself.

          • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 4:21 pm #

            True Puck. But we are a cognitive elite in and of ourselves. The people need guidance. And what happens to them affects Us as well. Obviously!

            The lower classes (low and middle) are lost without the guidance of a benevolent Elite. Lost.

            What we should do is one conversation. What should be done is quite another. As is what will be done given the current paradigm. Never mix up these three, yet people do it all the time.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:40 pm #

        Yeah cuz people left to their own devices will always do the right thing. Just look at the corporations….

        Words fail and the mind boggles at the mentality of these people.

      • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 9:58 pm #

        I think you hit it right on the head there.

        Unfortunately, the head is where the thinking happens. The reality is, you and everyone on this forum would be flailing badly in a week – governments make society go round.

        If you want to hole up in an Idaho compound, or live on a hippie farm in North California – you are still going to be reliant on a wide range of things that government provide, and regulate.

        Anti-government rhetoric is a symptom of those who have no understanding how societies work, or even how services are provided.

  66. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 6:22 am #

    “Joe Biden is a good friend of mine, and he can beat Donald Trump.”
    – Bernie Sanders

    They really should prohibit presidential candidates from pocketing the leftover money from their campaigns.

  67. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 7:02 am #


    “But the virus can adapt to man. It can do so directly, with an entire animal virus jumping to humans and adapting with a simple mutation. It can also happen indirectly. For one final and unusual attribute of the influenza virus makes it particularly adept at moving from species to species. The influenza virus not only mutates rapidly but also has a “segmented” genome. This means that its genes do not lie along a continuous strand of its nucleic acid, as do genes in most organisms, including most other viruses. Instead, influenza genes are carried in unconnected strands of RNA. Therefore, if two different influenza viruses infect the same cell, “reassortment” of their genes becomes very possible. Reassortment mixes some of the segments of the genes of one virus with some from the other. It is like shuffling two different decks of cards together, then making up a new deck with cards from each one. This creates an entirely new hybrid virus, which increases the chances of a virus jumping from one species to another. If the Hong Kong chicken influenza had infected someone who was simultaneously infected with a human influenza virus, the two viruses might easily have reassorted their genes. They might have formed a new virus that could pass easily from person to person. And the lethal virus might have adapted to humans. The virus may also adapt indirectly, through an intermediary. Some virologists theorize that pigs provide a perfect “mixing bowl,” because the sialic-acid receptors on their cells can bind to both bird and human viruses. Whenever an avian virus infects swine at the same time that a human virus does, reassortment of the two viruses can occur. And an entirely new virus can emerge that can infect man.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

  68. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 7:45 am #

    Do you remember when you used to think that “The Answer” was mass transit and high speed rail?

    “ Antigen shift, this radical departure from existing antigens, led to major pandemics long before modern transportation allowed rapid movement of people.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

  69. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 7:47 am #

    The Covid 19 virus seems to be able to latch on to human and animal cells very easily including animals of different species which looks very suspicious? It is unusual enough for a virus to jump from one animal species to humans but this virus can jump between multiple species. Looks very suspicious….

  70. venuspluto67 March 14, 2020 at 8:10 am #

    Like many people, I wonder for whom the very senile Biden might be acting as placeholder? Amy Klobuchar? Hillary Clinton, the Wicked Witch of the East herself?

    And of course anybody who points out Biden’s painfully obvious dementia (did anybody catch his coronavirus address where he just suddenly stopped talking and wandered off-camera?) is getting the #RussiaRussiaRussia treatment from the Jan Brady Democrats on social meda. Oh brave new world that hath such creatures in it!

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  71. stelmosfire March 14, 2020 at 8:25 am #

    By far the biggest problem with this pandemic and why most deaths will occur is a serious lack of ventilators. Hospitals have a limited number and it is not like they can pull these things out of their ass. We transported many patients on vents and we would have to hand bag the patients the whole time. The hospitals would not let the vents out of the hospital. I don’t know if there are any made in the USA but everybody is scrambling for them. You can pick a new unit up on ebay for 8 Gs. If I had the money laying around I would buy a half dozen.


    • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 8:46 am #

      The UK will be seriously short of ventilators. Germany already has about ten times as many ventilators per head of population as the UK.

      Law of unintended consequences: most of these currently come from Germany. UK used to be in the EU and now isn’t, so it ain’t goin’ to get any kind of priority from a German company.

      Oops. Sunlit uplands not looking so sunny.

      • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 8:47 am #

        Brexiters wanted the UK to paddle its own canoe. Sadly sometimes the only way to paddle it will be up Shit Creek.

        • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 8:44 pm #

          No, they want to deterrmine their own destiny, not have it determined for them by a group of elitist buttpounders in Brussels.

          I notice today the EU is directing Greece to take in the 4.5 million refugees Turkey has sent their way, claiming its the Greeks legal duty to do so. Problem is, the Greek people themselves are saying enough is enough. Ordinary Greeks are lining up at the border to protect their homes and their country, thus telling your vaunted EU to go f##k themselves.


          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:36 am #

            I’ve tried to reply to you about 10 times, brh. I have no idea why some days you can reply to one comment but not to another. It won’t even let me reply at the bottom of the thread, even if I change the wording so as not to get a ‘duplicate comment’ notice. And yet other comments go through. I’ll get it in somewhere.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:40 am #

            They’re not my vaunted EU, brh, they’re just the EU.

            And the Brexiters have determined more than their own destiny, because all of us will share in the chance to suffocate to death for want of a German ventilator. Still, who needs vulgar oxygen when they’ve got FREEEEEEDOOOOOOM?!!!

            See, if I’d been in charge of Brexit, I’d have started making arrangements 15 years ago. Because I’m a planner – can’t help it. Most of my thoughts on the matter would have started with ‘yes but what if…’.

            Still we are where we are, ventilators or no ventilators.

            BTW, I learned the other day that Turkey is accommodating a full 63 percent of the refugees of the entire world. Is that sustainable or fair, do you think?

            I notice that the EU is offering 2000 euros ($2,225) to every refugee in Greece that’s willing to return to their home country. You forgot mention that. Why is that?

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:41 am #


            And the link…


          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:45 am #

            I can’t fine your link though, brh, regarding the EU directive to Greece to take the refugees. Could you post it please?

        • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

          Sadly sometimes the only way to paddle it will be up Shit Creek. – GA


          In the South Jersey accent I was raised in this was said to be up Shit’s Crick.

          • Majella March 16, 2020 at 6:26 am #

            Q – so you’re in South Jersey? I know it well, from quite some (30 years) ago, when we spent a summer working in Villas, near Cape May. Your description of remoteness earlier…I’m figuring you’re away from the Shore, right?

          • Q. Shtik March 16, 2020 at 12:36 pm #

            Q – so you’re in South Jersey? – Maj


            No, I’m in Central NJ but I was born and raised in South Jersey. Grew up in Collingswood, next to Camden, and across the river from Philly.

  72. JustSaying March 14, 2020 at 8:46 am #


    And yesterday Billy retires from Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway!

  73. sleek111 March 14, 2020 at 9:15 am #

    “The Obamas are back in the White House, out-Clintoning even the Clintons!”

    You mean SOROS will be back in the White House.

    • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

      Isn’t Soros older than even Biden and Sanders? How much time does the guy have left, and will his organization outlive him? He reminds me a little of Andrew Carnegie, another globalist and one of the world’s richest man at the time.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:42 pm #

        His son has been well groomed apparently. One remembers what Jim from Florida said about billionaires and billions dying.

        • Nightowl March 16, 2020 at 6:10 am #

          His son has one of the most punchable faces in punchable face history.

  74. sleek111 March 14, 2020 at 9:20 am #

    “And, in the end
    The love you take
    is equal to the love you make.”

    Let’s hope this PLANET stays QUARANTINED for the indefinite future.
    Otherwise, expect PEST CONTROL to show up and take care of any planned infestation.

  75. wwg1wga March 14, 2020 at 9:23 am #

    Econ DEFCON-3


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  76. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 9:31 am #

    One popular theory is that an intermediary animal host helps to catalyze animal to human virus transmission (e.g. chicken to pig to human). Another less popular theory is that all you need is a human lung and human lung cells to do the RNA mixing. That Wuhan P4 lab is about 200 meters from that Wuhan street “Wet Market”. That Chinese female “Post-Doc” lab worker who got infected was probably a walking concoction of various viruses artificial and natural picked up in the lab and outside of the lab? Apparently, the Covid 19 virus may be able to jump between humans and animals and between various animal species. It’ll mix with everything. It’ll go to the Congo and mix with crocodile, black mamba and gorilla viruses and then redound to the US to infect an obese white redneck woman in curlers watching TV and eating Cheetos in an Arkansas Trailer park. A marvel of globalization….

  77. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 10:47 am #

    Guo Wengui is talking about potential martial law in the US and a Third World War if the US can’t get the virus under control. The US financial system could implode.


    • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:53 am #

      People have to stay home as much as possible. That is the answer which experience has already shown to be the right course.

      Lock er down.

      • Pucker March 14, 2020 at 11:21 am #

        Stay at home. Don’t go outside. Lock that sucker down.

    • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 10:10 pm #

      Guo Wengui is talking about potential martial law in the US and a Third World War if the US can’t get the virus under control. The US financial system could implode.

      Oh goodie. Another billionaire who thinks they have the right to talk rubbish.

      Martial law isn’t necessary – people will self-regulate, and so will most aspects of life (sports cancelled, work from home transport rights restricted, only ten at a time into the grocery store, and so on).

      Lots of stuff is already going on all over the country. It’s actually probably the case that an emergency situation might bring out the best in people – in terms of not being selfish dickheads, and actually thinking a bit more about what is important in life.

      Plus things that people decry as rampant socialism might actually be seen to be social goods: proper paid sick leave, free medical cover, relief for low-income people, rent relief, and so on. Hopefully these things might stay in place.

      But again, Nancy Pelosi will save Trump’s fat flabby arse – because he hasn’t got the wit to create either a coronavirus or an economic response worth the toilet paper it’s written on.

      Economies cratering is an issue – I agree – since so much of “the economy” is based on selling and buying useless trinkets and momentary thrills.

  78. K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:48 am #

    China stopped the spread by locking down the country. Italy is locked down. At the bottom of my pandemic article I have added a series of links that explain things very well.

    Biden is fucking out to lunch. His ‘plan’. There is no plan. What matters is action right now. Learn the facts and the moment you know them and see any politician who does not understand you will know who needs to find a new job. Or retire.

  79. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 11:27 am #

    Guo Wengui says that the “Financial War” will start next week.

  80. messianicdruid March 14, 2020 at 11:51 am #

    Majella asked, “Who hereabouts is calling for “government” to back off from pandemic management? From financial aid to all & sundry?”

    You are being managed whether you like, love or despise [ hate ] it.

    “This ambiance of panic and fear – outstrips any sense of reality, when the truth doesn’t matter. People can’t even think any more about the causes and what may be behind it. Nobody believes you (anymore), when you refer to Event 201, the coronavirus simulation, the Wuhan Military Games, the closing last August 7, of the high-security biological war lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland…. what could have at one point been an eye opener for many, today is sheer conspiracy theory. The power of propaganda.”


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    • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 12:29 pm #

      “People can’t even think any more about the causes and what may be behind it. ”

      At this point in time I don’t care about ‘what may be behind it’ – that will be for the post-mortem phase. For the moment I care about the number of ventilators, beds and trained ICU staff.

      Have you listened to Professor Michael Osterholm’s clear explanation of why the virus couldn’t be synthetic?

      • cc rider March 14, 2020 at 2:41 pm #

        I watched Osterholm with Joe Rogan last night. Very informative. All most need to do is watch the first twelve minutes of that interview to dispel the nonsense that is bandied about regarding this virus. I was very open to the belief that this virus was weaponized myself due to some circumstantial evidence. I no longer even entertain that idea.

        • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm #

          He’s good, isn’t he? You can just tell when someone knows what they’re talking about. I even saw the link posted on our local Nextdoor website and I’d never heard of Joe Rogan before!

          • cc rider March 14, 2020 at 4:57 pm #

            Enjoy exploring other Joe Rogan interviews. Not only does he get top notch guests, he is one of the best interviewers in my opinion.

            Another good source for COVID19 updates is Chris Martenson. He’s acquainted well with JHK so you probably know of him. His YT channel is Peak Prosperity. His website is http://www.peakprosperity.com. He has a PhD in Toxicology.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 11:39 am #

            Thanks, cc – I do have Chris M bookmarked somewhere.

            In my mind I keep thinking of Joe Rogan as Josh Rogan. 🙂


        • Majella March 16, 2020 at 6:27 am #

          ..or that lovely lamb curry, rogan josh?

  81. ellipsis March 14, 2020 at 12:43 pm #

    Looks like the proverbial shit has now officially hit the fan!

    *** Faux News Network Exclusive ***

    Trump Announces National Toilet Paper Emergency

    An ashen faced and obviously distressed President Trump addressed a throng of reporters gathered in the Rose Garden early Saturday morning to announce a US National Toilet Paper Emergency. The move follows closely on the heels of what is being termed an overnight terrorist attack at the White House, during which the entire supply of Presidential toilet paper was absconded with, without a trace. Toilet paper wrappers bearing the Presidential Seal were seen blowing through the downtown streets in the early morning, while trash receptacles on the National Mall were also seen to be full of used toilet paper, presumably from the illicit rolls. Capitol Police and Park Service personnel began an immediate clean up effort, as well as rounding up and detaining the entire DC migrant and homeless population to begin immediate testing of butt cracks for traces of the stolen toilet paper.

    In declaring the state of emergency, Trump authorized unlimited funds to the US Treasury to establish a Strategic National Toilet Paper “Suppository” [sic] and Reserve at Fort Knox Kentucky, immediately alongside the US Strategic Gold Reserves. Funding is provided for an entirely new facility to house what is anticipated to be almost 4 billion rolls of premium grade toilet paper, or roughly 12 rolls per person in the US. The Strategic Gold Repository is expected to make room for and house some of those reserves while the new facility undergoes construction. The measure also includes funding for security, investigative, and law enforcement personnel for a newly established Federal Toilet Paper Agency (FTPA), whose first task will be securing shipments of strategic toilet paper supplies as well as guarding against terrorists events such as transpired at the White House on Friday night, as well as newly established secure “Suppositories.” Some portions of the toilet paper industry are expected to be at least temporarily nationalized as well, in an effort to substantially ramp up production immediately. Trump promised Federal subsidies to producers to allay their concerns.

    Trump briefly waxed uncharacteristically eloquent during his brief remarks, before addressing the alleged terrorists head on:

    “As your president, I’m charged with maintaining the highest level of bathroom cleanliness and personal hygiene for all the citizens in this great land, a charge I do not take lightly. As Americans we take great and justifiable pride in having some of the cleanest and most highly perfumed butt cracks in the history of the world, and I don’t have to tell you that the terrorists just hate us for it. But I pledge to you my fellow Americans, from this day forward, a continuous and uninterrupted supply of only the highest grade of toilet paper for all will be my highest priority, and in this I cannot, and must not fail.”

    “And to the terrorists who perpetrated the unprecedented and unspeakably abominable act theft in the White House last night, this WILL NOT stand! We will hunt you down wherever you go, we will find you, and we will deprive you of the tremendous toilet paper liberties that all true Americans enjoy for the rest of your days!”

    Adding substance to the President’s threats was the recent death of notorious toilet paper terrorist mastermind Mustafa bin Al Buttwaddhi at the hands of his Guantanamo Bay captors. Buttwaddhi was forced march in the subtropical heat for 8 hours a day without the benefit of toilet paper or any other personal hygiene supplies for over six months before finally succumbing to a terminal case of gangrenous butt rot. Camp observers reported that “both of his butt cheeks were just entirely gone,” by the time the ordeal was over and that “the stench cloud lingers over the camp still.”

    Following the president’s remarks, House Speaker Pelosi, notable for her particularly small stools, added, “I welcome a conversation about fecal elimination habits among elected government officials. As many of you may or may not know, I personally require less than a single square of single ply TP when I make a dookie, so I’d like to start a pledge among ALL congress members to tighten their sphincters and commit to minimizing their personal fecal impact before this emerging threat to our personal bathroom liberties. New York Senator Chuck Schumer then added, “As a proud Jewish American, my shit is of course kosher, and thus leaves very little stink. Regardless, I’d like to join Speaker Pelosi in her most noble attempt to reduce our personal fecal impact, and I call for ALL government employees to take that pledge with us. In that way we can have the greatest possible impact on excess toilet paper use directly at the source.

    Noted NYT columnist and economist Paul Krugman cautioned the president afterward about interfering in the toilet paper markets too aggressively.

    “The hoarding behavior we’re seeing recently can largely be explained as a rational response on the part of those with the shittiest butts to ensure their immediate needs are met. Those with lesser needs – women, small children, emaciated endurance athletes, and the like – obviously use much less and can more easily postpone their butt wiping needs in the face of this emerging threat. In this way, shortages over the very short term – while inconvenient for some – can and will be rather quickly alleviated by market forces alone in the best interests of long-term butt crack cleanliness for everyone. Krugman, noted for his prodigious output of economics-based shit, then quickly reassured followers that his own basic toilet paper needs were adequately being met. “As a distinguished university professor, columnist, and Nobel laureate economist, I can assure everyone that I always keep an ample supply of TP on hand to meet my considerably greater than average requirements.”

    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

      LOL! A bit of toilet humor to drown out those pandemic panics? Ewww but A for creativity!

    • capt spaulding March 14, 2020 at 7:54 pm #

      Trump was shown launching rolls of toilet paper into a large crowd of people, who appeared to be enthusiastically grabbing them.

      • ellipsis March 15, 2020 at 7:07 am #

        It’s the new money, Cap’n!

  82. messianicdruid March 14, 2020 at 12:50 pm #

    GA said, “At this point in time I don’t care about ‘what may be behind it’ – that will be for the post-mortem phase.”

    Read the link above when you get interested.

    No I haven’t read the item you mentioned, yet.

    • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 1:14 pm #

      I read it yesterday, thanks, MD.

  83. stelmosfire March 14, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

    I joked about this a couple weeks ago and now I see an article about it. Biometric ID integrated into a worldwide vaccine. Probably fake news but still worth considering. I wouldn’t doubt it could happen.

    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 2:01 pm #

      Fake news? I dunno. If the Rockefeller Foundation is involved then I’m pretty sure its a true Globalist scheme. They have been wanting to chip, track, and control the entire human population for a long time. A vaccine in the midst of a pandemic is a perfect ploy to accomplish such a thing.

  84. cc rider March 14, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

    Well Britain’s award winning roving reporter is all over this pandemic situation like stink on shit…..


  85. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 2:09 pm #

    Rachel Maddow has high morbidity but low mortality.

    “ Not all pandemics are lethal. Antigen shift guarantees that the new virus will infect huge numbers of people, but it does not guarantee that it will kill large numbers. The twentieth century saw three pandemics. The most recent new virus attacked in 1968, when the H3N2 “Hong Kong flu” spread worldwide with high morbidity but very low mortality—that is, it made many sick, but killed few. The “Asian flu,” an H2N2 virus, came in 1957; while nothing like 1918, this was still a violent pandemic. Then of course there was the H1N1 virus of 1918, the virus that created its own killing fields.”

    John M. Barry
    The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

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    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 2:31 pm #

      Ok so how does Rachel Maddow factor in here lol? Did you get sick from watching her show again? You should know that you’re putting your life on the line when you do that.

  86. EvelynV March 14, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

    All kidding aside, Trump has truly fucked us!

    His (non)handling of the corona virus is reason enough to impeach him.

    Before this is over additional thousands, tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands will have died because of his determination to impose a secrecy that he felt was necessary to avoid damaging him politically.

    We’ve all seen for ourselves the effort he squirmed, slithered, and writhed to downplay the threat. Originally focusing on concerns about the impact on the DOW and then turning to blame Europe or anyone else he could point his stubby little fingers at as his failure in that effort became manifest.

    How the MAGAts can feel comfortable with an incompetent boob in charge is a true measure of how delusional his supporters are.

    • EvelynV March 14, 2020 at 2:45 pm #

      If you become a victim keep in mind who is to thank in your last gasping breath.



    • EvelynV March 14, 2020 at 2:50 pm #

      While typing the above post this email came from a friend who is the daughter of a doctor (also a friend) who wrote:

      “… takeaway messages from a panel he attended with national experts in infectious disease, epidemiology, immunology, outbreak response, and COVID-19. This is the sobering perspective he shared. (Such a contrast to yesterday’s farcical address.)

      At this point, we are past containment. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number of people who get infected in the US. We are moving from containment to care.

      Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to “flatten the curve”, to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.

      No one knows how many in the community already have the virus.

      We in the US are currently where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.

      40-70% of the US population will probably be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that, you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu, this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.

      Assuming 50% of US population gets infected, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that means 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.

      This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. The fatality rate on COVID 19 is in the range of 10X flu.

      This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.

      The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%.

      We don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if it is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did.”

      • Q. Shtik March 14, 2020 at 8:33 pm #

        Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. – Eve


        Whew, thank God for THAT. I’m only 79.31 years old.

    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 2:53 pm #

      At this point he can be impeached in November if we still have an election. But then the question becomes, do you think Joe Biden can do better? At this point, since its a world pandemic everyones’ decision making is important. Our problem is a full top down problem. The reaction of our entire society was at first almost only focused on the financial impacts of the crisis. Only now is health the primary focus when it should have been heath all along. The soul and the heart of society has to change. If you don’t have your health then you aren’t going to have wealth. We do need guaranteed healthcare. A rich country has no excuses.

      • EvelynV March 14, 2020 at 3:13 pm #

        No, Joe Biden is a senile wreck. His situation analogous to what Obama’s was. Being handed the helm of the Titanic after it had already been driven into the iceberg.

        The only hope is that Biden is likely to surround himself with infinitely more competent people.

        If you look at the graphs you will see that maximum deaths from the virus are projected to occur in the summer. A bit too soon for the election, assuming an election occurs.

        Possibly but then no one is going to give a damn who is the titular head of government. It’s been headless for so long new anyway.

    • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 8:35 pm #

      What secrecy? This is the best covered pandemic in human history.

      • malthuss March 15, 2020 at 12:16 am #

        Book by Dean Koontz – The Eyes of Darkness..
        Page 312 talks about the Wuhan 400 virus released on 2020.

        That it will go away as quickly as it came and will return in 2030.
        The book was published in 1981.

        There were 4 other predictions in the media. Maybe more predictions.

        • malthuss March 15, 2020 at 12:20 am #

          Sylvia Browne book
          Charlie and Chocolate Factory
          Cliff Hi.

          and what else? Thats 5 predictions of corona.

          • SoftStarLight March 15, 2020 at 3:55 am #

            I heard about Dean Koontz and Sylvia Browne but not the other three. Wow!

  87. Pucker March 14, 2020 at 3:04 pm #

    Should Trump, like Lincoln, suspend the writ of habeas corpus and imprison everybody? And then use their slave labor to make hand sanitizer and masks?

    • EvelynV March 14, 2020 at 3:15 pm #

      I could get into that if only people with red hats are selected.

      • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 8:24 pm #

        None of the policies you talk about liking would ever be implemented by the existing left, right, or center. All those billions of ours that go to prop up other countries for instance could have been spent right here. I get the anti-MAGA thing but I don’t get not being America First.

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:45 pm #

        Trump was wearing a blue hat today.

  88. BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 3:11 pm #

    Bank up a nice fire in the woodstove, crack open your copy of Gabriel Garcia Marquez’ ‘Love in the Time of Cholera’.

    Is the 1951 film noir classic ‘Panic in the Streets’ with Richard Widmark available? If I recall correctly from film class, it was about a flu pandemic in New Orleans and the desperate search for patient 0. Made in black and white, lot of shadows and close up shots of panic stricken faces.

    Hey I see Bernie Bros are not happy about Sanders campaign getting torpedoed and have vowed never to vote for Biden. Never! You could call them ‘Never Bidens’.

    Biden/Abrams 2020

    We’ze Ridin’ wid Biden
    Stacy Abrams is Drivin’


    • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:44 pm #

      Progressives for Trump. Give us what we want or the Democratic party goes tits up. No loss.

  89. Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 3:51 pm #


    She stopped supporting Bernie because he accepted an endorsement from Joe Rogan. Rogan is against puberty blockers for kids and against biological men playing in women’s sports. In other words, he is a monster according to ignorant ideologues like AOC.

    Or is something else? Does she always have her finger up to the wind and has realized that the Powers have chosen Biden and she doesn’t want to be on the wrong side? In other words, a young Hillary Clinton type who will betray anyone and everything to attain power?

    She is bad news either way, very bad news.

    • EvelynV March 15, 2020 at 5:09 am #

      No Janos, she’s good news. Maybe not for you because she’s too old but what her generation of men see as a “hottie” with more brains than your skull could hold.

      I don’t agree with her fierce adherence to the particulars of her gender beliefs but can respect her for adhering to what are her principles.

      Don’t even think of comparing her to Hillary who has none of AOC’s morality and idealism.

  90. stelmosfire March 14, 2020 at 4:40 pm #

    Well it looks like I will be out back in the tent all summer. Although this article makes no mention of it somebody up thread was touting Vitamin D supplements and being in the sun a lot would certainly help in that respect.

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    • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 5:29 pm #

      A little direct sunlight cures a lot of maladies, Rip.

      A day at the beach, salt water, sun and a case cold Sam Adams sets about anything right, mental and physical.


      • stelmosfire March 14, 2020 at 6:20 pm #

        Damn straight!

    • Nightowl March 16, 2020 at 6:17 am #

      Vitamin D is crucial for the immune system and your nervous system. Anyone above the equator should be taking a supplement most of the year.

  91. AttackSub March 14, 2020 at 4:52 pm #

    In my little Rhode Island town,. tragedy has struck. One elementary school student picked up Captain Tripps (we’re calling it that locally) from a cruise with her parents while another supposedly contracted it from player on the Utah Jazz who was playing in Boston Garden. The poor person contracted it by asking for an autograph. The news sped through out burg like wild fire. The local big box grocery store looked like it had suffered a Biblical locust attack . We’re a blue state but the general feeling is that the President has done all he could to meet this scourge head on. The general opinion is that it would not have been possible to have enough CV test kits to test the entire population,. My friend and I read this blog religiously, and we’re frankly appalled at ‘all the “experts” from foreign countries who think the United States is the personification of all evil,. UNTRUE! UNTRUE! UNTRUE! AAHOOGA!

    • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 5:30 pm #

      Welcome aboard, brother!

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 5:59 pm #

        Another Blue Belly like you.

        Did all he could do – like stopping direct flights from Wuhan to NYC after the Crisis had begun? Nope.

        He dithered but he did work very hard at appearing to be in control rather than actually being in control. It fools people like you guys.

        • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 7:14 pm #

          At least once per week you have to bust my b@lls, Vlad. It’s like clockwork. haha

          • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:42 pm #

            He’s right.

  92. wpa_ccc March 14, 2020 at 5:19 pm #

    “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”-Barack Obama

    “We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.”-Dwight Eisenhower

    “I know words. I have the best words.”-DJT

  93. wpa_ccc March 14, 2020 at 5:20 pm #

    “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”- FDR

    “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”- JFK

    “I don’t take responsibility at all.”- DJT

  94. JohnAZ March 14, 2020 at 5:32 pm #

    Just got back from the grocery. Runs going on with a lot of non-perishables. Empty shelves- spaghetti, sauce, canned everything, crackers, bottled water, Runs starting on frozen meals, eggs, milk.

    Evelyns evaluation on the situation above is right on. As usual her political evaluation is full of holes and done in poor taste.

    Everyone around the world is betting on one thing with their planning, that this pandemic will be seasonal and abate in a couple of months.

    If it doesn’t, all the people looking for a massive reduction in population may get their wish.

    • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 5:39 pm #

      If it was engineered and the outbreak planned, they must have a vaccine for themselves. They will go thru the motions of trying to find one until things are where they want them to be.

    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 8:04 pm #

      You keep saying people are counting on this thing being seasonal. The virus is spreading in hot areas. Its been humid and 80 degrees here for the past week and we went from having no cases to having almost 80 cases. Most are in New Orleans but I am sure its really all over. I’m no longer going out in public anywhere.

      • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 8:33 pm #

        You’re kneecapping the one shred of hope we have up here in North Country, SSL. If sunlight won’t kill this monster, what will?

        • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 8:50 pm #

          I’m sorry Brh. I don’t mean to be a Debbie Downer or anything but it is true. It would be awesome if it was not! I’m not sure what will kill it but it seems like the only way to stop it from spreading like fire is if everybody stays home to the greatest extent possible.

          • BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 10:08 pm #

            I wonder what affect Wild Turkey would have on this virus?

            Probably make it more powerful than ever.

          • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:39 pm #

            If Wild Turkey were served in a club on a strippers belly it would cause the virus to spread.

      • Cargill March 14, 2020 at 10:46 pm #

        The world-wide figures definitely show a preponderance of cases in cold winter climates so far (but with lots of other factors in play too, no doubt).

        In Australia almost all cases have been in Sydney and Melbourne (climates not hugely different to San Francisco or LA), while the tropical north of the country is currently free of cases (latitudes and climate more like Central America).

        So with a bit of luck, the coronavirus will provide to be sensitive to warm weather – and be very helpful for North Asia, North America, and Europe. The downside of course will be the whole Southern Hemisphere over our winter – and lots of poor countries in the mix.

  95. wpa_ccc March 14, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

    “If he were to have a sex change operation and call himself Betty Obama would he not be qualified to run for president” –ThorsHammer

    So you are admitting Barack Obama is American, born in America, and therefore qualifies to run for president?

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  96. Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 5:53 pm #

    Journalism at its highest – the words of the Prophet, Anglin.

    Tina Tchen is ecstatic.

    The lawyer, formerly Michelle Obama’s chief of staff, is now the CEO of “Times Up Now,” an organization formed in the wake of the #metoo movement for the purpose of sex hoaxing men at every strata of society.

    Speaking to a local news station in Michigan following the Harvey Weinstein sentencing for a rape hoax, she declared “a new era” of men being mass incarcerated based on the claims of women presented without evidence.

    I think the Weinstein conviction and today’s sentencing really marks a new era of justice in our country, where survivors are going to be believed, prosecutors are going to see these as cases that they should take to trial and juries are going to believe survivors when they testify and they’re going to convict people…and now judges are going to sentence them for long prison terms. Up until now the reality has been, of every 1,000 perpetrators of sexual assault 995 go free, either because nobody reports them or nobody prosecutes them or juries don’t convict. I think that is finally going to change.

    Ominous, no?

    What she is calling “a new era” is an entirely new concept of justice as it relates to women. And she appears to be implying that because of this verdict, 200 times more men will be sent to prison on “rape” charges than were before this.

    With the Weinstein verdict, the claims of women about things they say happened years ago are now on par with DNA evidence in terms of their ability to secure a criminal conviction. The concept of sentencing people to prison without any physical evidence at all, based entirely on eyewitness testimony, is unheard of in American history, and in fact in the entire history of Western jurisprudence going all the way back to Rome.

    Now that this is established as a precedent, women are foaming with glee as they realize that they can now simply accuse any man they wish of rape, provide no evidence, and get the man sentenced to decades in prison. It is impossible to communicate just how serious of a change this is in the entire foundations of our justice system.

    The Weinstein case covered all of the bases as well, making it so there will literally be no possible defense.

    Weinstein’s team presented hard evidence, that was not disputed, that the women who accused him of rape years ago continued to have “consensual” sex with him for years afterward. He also showed that they were on friendly communication levels with him during that period, writing him flattering emails and talking about how much they cared about him.

    So this is a situation where there is going to be absolutely no conceivable defense. If she says she felt like she was raped, that is as good as the word of God, and you have to go to prison for decades.

    JS: I redacted the rest of the report. He chastises the less brethren who are happy about a big Jew going down for the count. If it could happen to him, it could happen to any of us. But I’ll draw a conclusion that he doesn’t here: The Revolution may be getting away from them as it did in Russia and China.

    In any case, the post Corvid World is going to be a very different, and very sterile place, even more so than now. Perhaps the Law will step in people will to sign contracts before they fuck, as SSL suggested. Pretty cold, but what can you do? Women hate being abandoned and are very much into revising history to make their past lovers into fiends. They will jump to take advantage of this, have no doubt.

    Anglin suggest never giving them your real name or address. Use a burner phone, etc. Women brought here from other cultures quickly learn the ropes. If you want purity, you’ll have to go to them so as to keep them pure. Or is the answer sex robots and East Asian surrogate incubators for our White babies – gotten from Caucasian egg banks if such a thing exists or will exist. White surrogates will end up trying to keep the baby. And the Feminist Courts will often let them. Thus we must to to the East with the Egg.

    • SoftStarLight March 14, 2020 at 7:21 pm #

      Well but that was a joke. Although because our society is so legalistic in general that I thought it was a a good idea. They do something similar in Iran I read. Or at least they did. They are temporary marriages which are even religiously legitimate. So basically its a legal stamp for a hookup. But that’s not real marriage anyway. I personally and humbly believe its way too soon to know what the post Covid world will look like. This could go on for months and months and bring down the world economy. Or not.

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:31 pm #

        Not, But it will become a fascist party.

      • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:36 pm #

        The economy I mean. But this part.

        Perhaps the Law will step in people will to sign contracts before they fuck, as SSL suggested.

        Exactly how much is the activity worth. There are times when a chicken was considered fair payment.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 11:20 pm #

        Was it? I thought you were serious. I like to think I get your jokes but this really may be the only way to go.

        • K-Dog March 15, 2020 at 12:29 am #

          I don’t care how bad things get I won’t molest a chicken.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:21 am #

            Apparently it’s OK if you chlorinate it afterwards.

        • SoftStarLight March 15, 2020 at 3:48 am #

          I can understand why you feel that way and that’s why I came up with that idea. You know how they say there is an element of truth in every joke. But at the same time feeling abandoned is awful and I’m sure you can understand why it may bring about bad behavior. Not to justfy that, or prosecutions without evidence either. Anyone making false accusations of such a grave nature have to suffer severe consequences. It would be only fair and would take care of this sort of thing.

          • Tate March 15, 2020 at 1:42 pm #

            They allow no-fault divorce in Iran. So, white shariah is not the answer, they have become corrupted by the disease of feminism just like the West. We must forge our own way of recovery from the pestilence of feminism & bring back authentic marriage.

    • GreenAlba March 14, 2020 at 9:24 pm #

      I guess you’re going to be pleading for those grooming gangs then Janos. I mean those girls kept going back for more and taking trinkets, baubles, booze and ciggies from those righteous, innocent men after being hoax raped. And those poor guys were convicted on the basis of witness statements. Oh, the horror…

      Yeah… One law for the white and another for the brown, in your book.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 14, 2020 at 11:23 pm #

        No, that’s what you do. We’re talking about the imminent persecution of American Men here and you try to make it about poor girls and the poor browns – as if they aren’t real rapists of the former.

        How dare you!

        • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:00 am #

          Show me one single post where I’ve excused them. Ever.

          You’re the one who doesn’t like evidence given by women. Sick hypocrite.

    • Tate March 14, 2020 at 11:27 pm #

      Brown men in a predominantly white country introducing young under-age white girls to the joys of sex with other older brown men for baubles, trinkets, booze, & ciggies & threaten them & their families if they didn’t comply. What could be more wholesome? I mean, if that wasn’t wholesome, then we need to prosecute & convict that execrable felon, Harvey Weinstein, don’t we?!!!!!! It’s as clear as day.

      • Janos Skorenzy March 15, 2020 at 12:25 am #

        As Evelyn said, the first enemy is fear and the second, clarity of mind. These ladies have triumphed over the second and thus, I assume, the first. They aren’t afraid to shout of their Truth, just like inner city black kids in schoo.

        • EvelynV March 15, 2020 at 4:56 am #

          Janos where ya been? Hanging out on the kiddie websites again perv?

          • Janos Skorenzy March 15, 2020 at 11:41 am #

            Would you say the same to a Japanese businessman who went to see a geisha? Because that’s what neekolul is, a modern day cyber-geisha. Don’t feel bad. No one expects you to look as good as she does. How many women can compete with that? You never looked that good. And of course she’s young – that’s when women are the most beautiful.

            A kid? Look at those breasts and hips. That’s just stoopid. But she’s also a funny girl, a clown. That’s also why we like her. She’s got It, she knows she got It, and she knows that we know she’s got it. So she’s free to have a good time without feeling self conscious.

          • EvelynV March 15, 2020 at 2:21 pm #


            I don’t like some of the assumptions you make.

            When did I ever suggest Japanese businessmen can’t be pedophiles too?

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 2:34 pm #

            As I mentioned just recently, Japan only made child pornography illegal in 2014. They have form. Child manga pornography is still perfectly legal.

            And any woman feeling the slightest need to ‘compete with that’ would need their head read. To be jealous of someone like that you’d need to share the values of a narcissistic teenager. Which would be sad at any age other than hers.

      • EvelynV March 15, 2020 at 5:35 am #

        Tate – you’re a plagiarizer. That was written to describe life in the pre-civil war South except you’ve switched the colors.

        • Tate March 15, 2020 at 12:18 pm #

          Busted. Yeah, I got the baubles bit from Alma word for word a few posts above. What was known as the White Man’s Burden in the ante-bellum South & Hail Britannia is now the Brown Man’s Frolic in Woke Britannia. Except now it’s organized plunder.
          We have to remember that these Browns back then castrated their Black male slaves before allowing them anywhere near their women. So the kebabi’s have had long practice. They even raided the coast of Ireland back in the day for white slaves to stock their harems.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 2:13 pm #

            The only reason the rape gangs got more publicity than white pervs is that white pervs fix up their perving over the internet, not in the taxi ranks.

      • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 6:04 am #

        Both were prosecuted. That’s the point, Tate. Weinstein just got away with it for marginally longer before he was banged up, that’s all.

        Nobody suggested it was wholesome except you..

        • Tate March 15, 2020 at 12:23 pm #

          You don’t do hyperbole, do you Alma?

          I didn’t suggest anything except that it was a false equivalency. Did Janos say anything about grooming rape gangs? No, you did.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 2:06 pm #

            And I make no apology for it, Tate. One of the major reasons it took so long for the victims to get a proper hearing was the refusal to take seriously the testimony of girls who were a bit rough around the edges, ‘vulnerable’ or whatever euphemisms people like to dream up for girls not as ‘wholesome’, fragrant and privileged as the rosy daughters of the comfortable middle classes.

            Janos insists it’s in the nature of women to lie. This suits most of his narratives, but not this one. I have no intention of letting him away with his hypocrisy.

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 2:07 pm #

            Haven’t you got some demented research to be getting on with about promiscuity and tooth gaps.

            Jeez – the shite some people dream up.

          • Tate March 15, 2020 at 2:35 pm #

            Physiognomy, the science of studying facial features for traces of one’s character, has a well-validated record. Modern psychological research bears this out. The effect is often subtle. People don’t admit to judging others by the face but they do it anyway. Often with good reason.

            It doesn’t mean that because one has a gap between one’s front teeth that one is necessarily sexually promiscuous, only that under lax upbringing, one would be especially susceptible to becoming so. I don’t personally know if Stacey Abrams is sexually promiscuous, but there are other traits associated with sexual promiscuity that she would be susceptible to, such as being a spendthrift (not good for a public official), dilatory (wasting her own & other people’s time), & an unprincipled opportunist.

          • Tate March 15, 2020 at 2:42 pm #

            Furthermore, Negroes are known for their promiscuity. Larger doses of testosterone in the pre-natal brain will do that. Look at this Andrew Gillum character who was just busted in a Miami Beach hotel room with a male escort, both of them out of their minds on crystal meth. He came this close to being elected governor of Florida. Wouldn’t they have made a pair! Gillum & Abrams, their excellencies respectively of Florida & Georgia.

            Okay, maybe Florida would have deserved theirs but it’s painful to think of Georgia. Talk about electing a new people!

          • GreenAlba March 15, 2020 at 3:39 pm #

            “It doesn’t mean that because one has a gap between one’s front teeth that one is necessarily sexually promiscuous, only that under lax upbringing, one would be especially susceptible to becoming so. ”

            Get a grip, Tate. Really.

            Chaucer’s really not a good source of scientific evidence.

  97. capt spaulding March 14, 2020 at 8:54 pm #

    I was picking up some emergency supplies at the grocery store today, and I ran into Arnold Schwarzenegger carrying a huge pack of toilet paper. I said “Where did you get that?”, and he said: “Aisle B, back.”

    • K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:25 pm #

      That line was waiting for this shit to happen.

    • roccofire March 15, 2020 at 7:19 am #

      Thank you, I love it.

  98. K-Dog March 14, 2020 at 10:29 pm #

    If COVID-19 hits the death rows of America do the inmates get free health care? How will the for profit industry survive. Will corners be cut, vital needs neglected?

  99. BackRowHeckler March 14, 2020 at 11:56 pm #

    Well, public schools are shutting down for at least a few weeks, main concern appears to be in our urban areas, “Will the kids starve?”. Apparently in Hartford, Bridgeport, New Haven, Waterbury etc schools provide all 3 daily meal. There is no expectation that mothers can or will feed their kids at home. there’s talk of opening up ‘feeding centers’ in these cities so children do not starve.

    • malthuss March 15, 2020 at 12:19 am #


      Janos mentioned poor Whites freezing to death in UK.

    • K-Dog March 15, 2020 at 12:36 am #

      High schools should be closed or you will have gangs of riotous thugs roaming the streets after school trying to infect boomers. They know they won’t get it worse than a bad cold so to be the weapon of the day is an honor they gladly seek. Our youth thinks boomers have had more than their fair share and that it is time for them to move on. You must remember how mean you were sitting in that back row. If you could meet your former self what would you do.

      If you meet the Budda in the road…

      • Cargill March 15, 2020 at 3:19 am #

        High schools should be closed or you will have gangs of riotous thugs roaming the streets after school trying to infect boomers.

        Ungrateful little children … they should understand that every single little thing they love, cherish, and enjoy was conceptualised, invented, developed, produced, marketed, and sold, by some dedicated boomer with brains.

        How pathetic the youngsters are.