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American Anxiety

“The whole world was watching this case to see if everybody can get equal justice, not just certain people,” Benjamin Crump, the lawyer for Mr. Martin’s family, said on Sunday.
                            —The New York Times    

     I’m not so sure the whole world was watching. The rest of the world is quite preoccupied with countless other events careening toward criticality — civil war in the Middle East, bankruptcy all over Europe, riots in Brazil, the global bond market, a mystery epidemic in India, etc — and if they are watching, they must be mystified by what they see.

     What the Zimmerman trial showed me was a nation stuck in tired narratives about its racial predicament, and confusion about what the predicament even is. It doesn’t help that we stopped even pretending that something called common culture matters or even exists. By common culture I mean shared values and behavioral norms. The “multiculturalism” offered in place of it — at least among so-called progressives — hasn’t worked out too well either. On one side of the street you have Slate podcasters foolishly wringing their hands over “the N-word” while over on the other side Kanye West is making millions shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.” We pretend to want to have a national conversation about race, but the truth is that it makes us too uncomfortable, so we retreat into platitudes and sentimentality.

      CNN covered the trial and its aftermath relentlessly — I saw a lot of it recovering from a Friday surgery — and the narrative there was a largely sentimental one about “a child” gunned down. Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon repeatedly omitted to mention that the six-foot-tall child was beating the smaller gunman’s head into the pavement in the minutes before he shot. Apparently the jury did notice this part of the story.

     The most uncomfortable part of the botched conversation is about behavior in general and the behavior of young black men in particular. The visible social failure is too gross and its implications are too scary, namely that we have more and more an oppositional culture saturated in violence that will never accommodate itself to any kind of a common culture. At this point that culture of young black men is oppositional to virtually every other group in America, white, Asian, Hispanic, et cetera, and the only response to it from the jittery “others” is a set of excuses for black opposition and failure.

     One excuse is that America’s drug laws have turned young black men into “political prisoners” in the world’s largest prison gulag. I’m sure that our drug laws are stupid and counter-productive, but I’m also sure that most of the young men caught in its web were doing something anti-social besides just holding, using, and selling.

     There are ways of understanding historically how we got to the current situation but they may not offer much consolation. The Civil Rights victories of 1964 and 1965 — the public accommodations act and voting rights act — created tremendous anxiety among African Americans about how they would fit into a desegregated society, so the rise of black separatism at exactly that moment of legislative triumph was not an accident. It offered a segment of the black population the choice of opting out of the new disposition of things. Opting out had consequences, and over several generations since then, the cohort of poorer black Americans has grown only more oppositional, antagonistic, and economically dysfunctional — with the sanction of America’s non-black “diversity” cheerleaders, who remain adamant in their own opposition to the idea of common culture.

     The economic challenges of the long emergency, with its desperate competition for the common resources of daily life — money, food, fuel — are liable to provoke new layers of desperate behavior, and new layers of opposition, antagonism, misunderstanding, tragedy, and failure. Do you argue that there are no “jobs” for young black men and nothing to absorb their energies? Increasingly there will be no “jobs” for anybody, except perhaps in local small scale farming. And these days that probably lacks the appeal of becoming a hip-hop star shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.”

     What we “learned” from the Trayvon Martin case, so far, is exactly nothing.

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516 Responses to “American Anxiety”

  1. RJGrones July 15, 2013 at 9:33 am #

    One of your best pieces of writing ever was “Thuggo and Sluggo” (xx-long tee-shirts, long upper torso, short stubby legs, hat turned sideways etc.).. Another thing (to go along with the obvious statement that attire speaks to the world at large) we’re very uncomfortable talking about: “Ebonics” is baby-talk.. It’s “goo-goo, gah-gah”.. This is a culture which embraces infantilism; the deep-seated foolish wish to remain infantile. As you point out in today’s piece, it makes us too uncomfortable to actually discuss or admit, so we grant it the status of moral relativism, and call it “culture”.. Everybody loses.. when one segment of a society wishes to never grow up..

    • ChicagoRob July 15, 2013 at 11:38 am #

      There are parts of America that never seem to grow up, but to locate that JUST and ONLY in black America is racist. Flat out. Pure and simple.

      Just for starters, there are some very, very smart and economically well to do people in our culture who refuse to grow up. They think they deserve more, they think the laws should be written and enforced to unfairly give them economic advantages that nobody else can get, etc. That’s juvenile if not infantile.

      How about, you think things through a little bit more deeply before you pile on to Jim’s prejudiced cracker talk.

      • RJGrones July 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

        re: “racist” — I don’t even know what that *means* anymore.. What does that *mean* Rob.. “racist”..

        • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm #

          It means ‘shut up you ignorant, narrow minded ray cyst’.

  2. Sandcrab July 15, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    Best post yet, Mr. Kunstler.

  3. Being There July 15, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    What I’ve learned about this case which I successfully avoided until I found myself arguing my point on blogs yesterday is that.

    1) What’s happening is that commentators such as yourself and others are discussing the culture at large and the last moments of TM’s life where he was fighting with a man who was tracking him.

    2) The real facts of this case aren’t exactly known since we have only Zimmerman’s side. Bottom line..TM is dead and cannot speak for himself.

    What we know is that GZ made a judgement call out of past experience where robberies occurred in the area and someone had to pay. TM was his target and when he called it in the dispatcher told him to stay in his car. Common sense tells us that unless you are trained to handle this, you call it in and let the police handle it.

    GM had a gun ready to go off and did not know how to handle a would-be-citizen’s arrest or the correct way to go about questioning someone.

    I’ve been talking in circles about this because ultimately TM is being judged on a larger cultural issue and was symbolic of something in GM’s mind, as well as many of our own.

    GM couldn’t have known anything about TM’s history which is why the mentioning of drugs in his life means nothing to this case except to say he wasn’t as pure as the driven snow. So What?

    Does that mean all who partake in a subculture should be shot on site?

    We need to see this in more mechanical terms since GM could not have known anything about TM and what he was doing in the rain wearing a hoodie. He did have a place to go and wanted to go home and watch a game on TV.

    He was being followed by someone who was not an officer and that man was playing the most dangerous game. He put himself there and has not taken responsibility for that.

    In the end it was GM that had a loaded gun, not TM who’s slow-witted girlfriend suggested that the creepy cracker might be a rapist. We will never know whether TM thought GM wanted to show him who was boss through the back door.

    I still say that undermining the value of anyone’s life is to undermine all of our lives.

    As the sands are shifting under our feet, and this country continues to devolve in all aspects, it is really all of us who are seen by the criminal leadership(who loves the cultural divisions) as Trayvon Martins.

    PS Jim,
    I hope you’re feeling better and healing quickly.

    • SW July 15, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

      If we want to discuss the culture at large in relation to this trial maybe one aspect we should look at is the pervasive militarization of America. “Defending” ourselves and being judge, jury and, in this case, executioner was legitimized based on the premise that Zimmerman had some kind of right to “stand his ground”—even though this “ground” was a public sidewalk!

      Zimmerman went looking for trouble and found it. But why? People didn’t used to find this kind of vigilante justice heroic or manly. I’m the same age as JHK and I’ve seen this change in America: the military, whether due to extensive PR or outright propaganda, is now glorified. All people serving in the military are automatically labeled heroes, if you don’t chime in with “we appreciate your service!” anytime you mention the troops you’re seen as a traitor and any suggestion maybe don’t have the right to tell other nations how to run their business and drone them if they don’t agree — all of this changes our own culture. It creates a belief, whether articulated or not, that violence is justified and we needn’t bother to look too closely at our own motives. A lot has been written about the gun culture here in America but at the root of that is a military mindset of the right (entitlement) to shoot first and ask questions later and to manipulate the facts to appear more favorable to our actions than they actually were.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

      Uh, wrong. There were two witnesses – two guys one Asian, one White. Far more credible people than the pathetic Jeantel girl. The White guy was just a few yards away and refused to help Mr Zimmerman, but at least he was willing to testify. Better think it all through again. You remind me of Aristotle who used deduction to figure out the number of women’s teeth instead of just asking his wife to open her mouth.

    • Quiet_ Storm July 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm #


      My rant and ramble..

      But the bottom line is GZ is not guilty based on the evidence presented to the court. I’m upset that he wasn’t charged with reckless man slaughter but I don’t think he committed 2nd degree murder.

      I also find it frightening, out of fear, people think its okay to stalk and GUN DOWN any teenager of color out fear. For all TM knows he was a pedophile stalking him.

      Lastly, leave law enforcement to the professionals.

      Was law enforcement (neighborhood watch) a hobby for GZ? He wasn’t getting paid for it. What a freeking idiot to throw his life away. The thing about GZ that bugs me in addition was that he was riding around like he was a DETECTIVE. Unmarked car and no uniform. I’m far from a law enforcement expert but the title of detective is not a entry level position.


      He should have been charged with reckless manslaughter.

    • Bernanke Screwed US July 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

      You’re a hopeless case if you believe that crap!

  4. Neon Vincent July 15, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    I thought you’d write about the Zimmerman trial. I considered doing so, but couldn’t get beyond a title “The law is an ass with music by Leonard Cohen.” I might get around to composing that tonight.

    Instead, the best thoughts I have on the matter come from my archives. At the end of a lengthy summary of university press releases and news stories, I included some research from Arizona State University, about which I had the following comment.

    “Speaking of racism, one of the excuses racists use is fear of crime. Little do they know that their racism fuels more criminal activity, making it an ironic vicious circle.

    Racism promotes criminality, which is used to justify racism. I wonder if that’s a bug or a feature. Probably both.”


  5. lsjogren July 15, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    I find it interesting that you have got mainstream media trying to whip up a mob with pitchforks and torches, but a level-headed public refuses to join the mob.

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    • Warren July 15, 2013 at 10:37 am #

      If you consider CNN, MSNBC, Al Sharpton and Pearse Morgan to be in the MSM, When in reality they are nothing more than adjuncts of the Obama administration and the Obama campaign office.

    • iwonder July 15, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

      Are you talking about people who don’t know what to do or how to do anything to oppose this verdict? I think that’s the mainstream public at large at this point. This was just another kick in the ass for people who think society is out of control. We pay people to make us victims. How messed up is that?

  6. anti dod July 15, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    BT, we know there was a fight that ended with a fatality. The president of the US spoke out, taking the side of the prosecution. He spoke repeatedly. So much for ‘innocent until proven guilty’. gees.
    TM was a gangster or wanna be. We do not know who landed the first blow.

    • ChicagoRob July 15, 2013 at 11:46 am #

      Travon Martin was a gangster. I see. Thanks for putting that into the public record.

      • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

        A burglar who the school refused to turn over to the police. A tattooed gang banger or wanna be. The ‘no limits n@@a’.
        His dad had his own Gang Ink covered over.

        Thanks for being so naive, Bob.

  7. Warren July 15, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    The unemployment of young black men is around 46%, soon to be exasperated by the tens of millions of “new Americans” following the Amnesty, especially as they will be exempt from the Obamcare mandate.

    As for the rest of the world, if they think of this at all it is probably why the American public is so obsessed with one black man being killed by one “White Hispanic” and yet seemingly oblivious to the hundreds of young black men being gunned down in Chicago on an annual basis,

    • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

      ‘exasperated’, no it is ‘exacerbate’.

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  8. K-Dog July 15, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    “The economic challenges of the long emergency, with its desperate competition for the common resources of daily life — money, food, fuel — are liable to provoke new layers of desperate behavior, and new layers of opposition, antagonism, misunderstanding, tragedy, and failure.”

    Do more than half of all Americans understand or agree with this statement? The cultivation of cluelessness is one crop that’s doing been doing well. We have a bumper crop of ignorance. This will result in new layers of opposition, antagonism, and misunderstanding leading to consequences that will be far more tragic than they would otherwise be. Is any one American group is really more ignorant than any others about the shitstorm on our horizon.

    Probably, but there’s still plenty of stupidity to go around. The one thing we could really do without going into the long emergency is ignorance. And in America that is one thing that never seems to be in short supply.

    Fight ignorance not people!! – K-Dog


    • Neon Vincent July 15, 2013 at 11:47 am #

      K-Dog, I’m going to piggyback on your comment to remark on the passage you quoted.

      “The economic challenges of the long emergency, with its desperate competition for the common resources of daily life — money, food, fuel — are liable to provoke new layers of desperate behavior, and new layers of opposition, antagonism, misunderstanding, tragedy, and failure.”

      Desperate behavior resulting from competition for fuel is one of the things I cover when I see it. Here in Detroit, whenever there are high prices, there is gas theft. That happened during the latest price spike during the June just past. Unlike previous iterations, this one was theft from the dealer instead of from customers’ gas tanks. It also created a hazardous chemical spill.


      There are links to other posts about gas thefts in the entry at the link above.

      • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm #

        Nostalgia, I remember when:

        Pumping gas in the late seventies, I think I was getting $3.50 an hour; maybe $3.75. It was a real slowdown waiting for ladies as they scurried through purses to find keys for their locking gas caps.

        The caps were bulky pot metal or aluminum castings with a lock in the center that moved notches in and out that would catch the metal rim of the gas tank throat. Soon after that time cars began coming equipped with locking fill hatches over fill tubes. Before the gas crisis of the late seventies there had been no need.

        When customers lost their keys we had no trouble popping the caps off for them. Sometimes people would give funny glances at, which with a few removal experiences, was an obvious skill. I think most of them came to the correct conclusion that it was a skill picked up on the job serving the public and not skill acquired at midnight dressed in black.

        I don’t know, they never said. 🙂

  9. Westerman July 15, 2013 at 10:17 am #

    Am getting tired of a certain old very white guy – turning into a reactionary old crud. Now using the fallacy of attribution to make broad generalizations about the nebulously-defined “antisocial” behavior encanted here, somehow implying certain guilt and justification for incarceration of the African American prison population. Further, copping a ridiculous attitude by using the word child in quotes in regard to Trayvon Martin. And then calling unarmed Martin a big meany who (i guess) deserved to die because he was large enough to be pounding Zimmerman’s head into the ground. Accusing black culture of being in opposition to everything, therefore deserving everything it gets. That’s laughable. But I guess African Americans aren’t really going to buy any of our books, now are they? Plus his knee jerk Israel has a right to defend itself yada. And his tired idiotic mantra of being allergic to “conspiracy theories”. And he’s living on Iroquois land without an iota of consciousness in regard to that. His Geography of Nowhere was a good book I finally got to read this year, but that’s 20 years old now, and most of this whole schtick is getting real old fast. Gosh dern if America doesn’t have a problem, and I would guess that it comes much more from attitudes and “logic” like this than anything doing in the African American community. Wish him a good recovery from surgery, along with recovery of more than a few brain cells too.

    • lsjogren July 15, 2013 at 10:44 am #

      Agree to an extent. I don’t buy the premise that this case is a basis for drawing any broad conclusions about the state of US society, whether they be the ones the media have conjured up nor those asserted by Kunstler.

    • vengeur July 15, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

      You’re getting tired of “a certain old and very white guy?” Just wait until he is “very old AND very white”. then you’ll really be tired of him. Personally, I never get tired of Kunstler, because agree or disagree , the man can WRITE.

    • Mike Trotman July 15, 2013 at 1:19 pm #


      I’m inclined to agree. Though, for the record, I’m black and have bought two of Jim’s books and make a point to read him in Orion and elsewhere. My impression from his past positions on African Americans, or what he might call race-based special pleading, is that this is one of those subjects in the cultural discourse for which Jim has very little patience. Fair enough. I’m seeing a lot of similar impatience with the idea of accommodating black people on any basis, much less on their continuing complaints and pathological excesses.

      For me, this is not an area I can look to Jim to for wisdom (although I think his point about the timing of desegregation and black opposition to assimilation is an astute hypothesis). I still think he has much to say that is insightful, entertaining, and maybe prophetic, so it can’t be dismissed. But he also expresses a fundamental hostility toward blacks, very much in Saul Bellow’s vein. That makes this a very painful encounter with a writer I greatly respect.

      Ultimately, of course, it isn’t Jim’s job to be even-handed or circumspect about blacks, about race relations, or how we minimize the frictions building up to flash point. It’s certainly not his job to lead a discussion among black Americans about our role and our responsibilities in the larger culture, nor guide our examination about the identity choices we’ve made and the sometimes unforeseen consequences in their train.

      That’s our work. And until we can produce a writer with Jim’s candor and keen understanding—with a willingness to oppose even our own opposition—we’re not likely to do more than keep flattering ourselves.

      So while this post reads inhospitably to me as a black guy with a son of my own, I’m actually grateful to Jim for reminding me not to get drawn into this sideshow (complete with Anderson Cooper, of course, the pinup of tragedy) while there’s work for clear minds.

      • ozone July 15, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

        Mike T.,
        Firstly, thanks for being cool-headed about this whole exercise in adrenaline and insanity. A true colosseum ‘attraction’ played out in darkness. (…And the crowd roared for more. Yes, it looks like we’ve found our crouching inner beast, alive and licking its’ slavering chops.)

        You say:
        “Ultimately, of course, it isn’t Jim’s job to be even-handed or circumspect about blacks, about race relations, or how we minimize the frictions building up to flash point. It’s certainly not his job to lead a discussion among black Americans about our role and our responsibilities in the larger culture, nor guide our examination about the identity choices we’ve made and the sometimes unforeseen consequences in their train.”

        I agree emphatically, and it isn’t mine either.

        Only one opinion mind you, but here’s what I see if “Black Americans” continue to identify themselves as a separate and distinct ‘culture’ and do NOTHING to amend that culture as glorifying predation, criminality and violence. Armed struggle. Simple as that. Then, after all the blood has gone to fertilizer we get to determine a man’s/woman’s worth by what skills, talents and content of character they happen to bring to the building of small, sustainable communities that are concerned with actual survival, not cheap, false-front bravado.

        In the bitter end, it’s about class struggle (while the current power and money hierarchy is extant), and a struggle for a dignified life. Until that realization, we ‘race-conscious’ lumpenproles contesting in the blood-soaked sand of the colosseum are nothing but amusing sport for the laughing elite, and will be treated with the contempt that we deserve for our stubborn ignorance and willful blindness.

        I give this as fair warning to ALL people: Wake the hell up and stop consenting to be treated as a mindless mob steered by sociopaths and serial liars.

        **Don’t forget to put a bullet in your teevee; you don’t want it to suffer, do you?

    • outsider July 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm #

      @ Westerman

      I agree in large part to your dissent, but me thinks you protest a little too much. That said, not one of JHK’s best rants. I was especially taken aback by (fifth paragraph- when referring to our drug laws)): ” I’m also sure that most of the young men caught in it’s web were doing something anti-social besides just holding, using, and selling.” How does JHK know this? Sounds like blaming the victim. Anyway, I’ll keep reading weekly. No one came come up with winners every week, especially after surgery.

  10. Karah July 15, 2013 at 10:41 am #

    I became aware of a few things…

    The usa’s world is contracted and distracted by the media’s 24/7 coverage of one event and one or two highlights from that event. The female judge putting the defense lawyer in his place and the dramatic reinactment of the attack on a foam doll. No one was literally standing their ground because they got into a tussel on the ground. My initial suspitions about the young man had been confirmed – thug. The fact he wasn’t carrying a gun and the fight was unfair shows how perverted people have become when interpreting the laws and civil rights. You gotta act civil to be granted rights! I am a civilian and that means I am not taking a defensive or offensive posture in my conduct. This is a protection no matter what may be used as a weapon. The usa is a show of force abroad and fragile within its own borders. This has more to do with how societies shut down due to the anxiousness surounding the ever increasing social disruptions about how we should handle simple daily human activities. Should I carry a gun? Should I live in this hood? Should I use the internet? Should I buy a pressure cooker? Should I get married or have an abortion? I do not need any help with these quesrions if they pertain to my circumstances; however our society is paralyzed by them.

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    • K-Dog July 15, 2013 at 11:06 am #

      “This has more to do with how societies shut down due to the anxiousness surrounding the ever increasing social disruptions about how we should handle simple daily human activities.”

      Yes, none of us were there but everyone seemed to know exactly what happened that day between Zimmerman and Martin.

      I’m thinking it is easier to have an opinion than to maintain neutral attitudes. The world is full of free opinions, there are plenty to go around. But you get what you pay for. The best opinions are earned and the free ones you get from everybody else are often wrong. – K-Dog

      • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

        So you admit reasonable doubt? And thus the verdict was the correct one?

        • wardad July 15, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

          No. There is no doubt that GZ was told to stay in the car and not HUNT the young black man. There is no doubt that the HUNTER (GZ) was armed with a gun and TM was armed with junk food. There is no doubt that GZ ignored the cops and HUNTED TM. There is SOME doubt as to what occurred when TM was accosted by the fat little douche bag.

          I lover JHK but he is wrong here. The oppositional figure here was GZ. He instigated the confrontation, he MAY HAVE gotten his ass kicked to him by an unarmed teenager, and so the scared little, fat, pants-pissing little pussy shot the kid. I have absolutely NO DOUBT that GZ knows he was in the wrong and jut got away with murder.

          None of this ever had to happen and it was clearly, CLEARLY GZ’s fault. In that respect, it doesn’t matter one ounce what witnesses saw or didn’t see.

          You have to have a special hatred for justice to see it any differently.

          The prosecutor should be disbarred and fired for being a shitty prosecutor.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

            No I meant reasonable doubt in the legal sense not some kind of arcane pc sense.

        • Karah July 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

          It’s not anyone’s opinion what is fact and what isn’t fact.
          The facts and ALL the facts came out in this case needed to inform the best decision for everyone involved. The fact T. Martin was black is pertinent only in that it makes it more difficult to see and identify him in the DARK.
          Court rooms are not theater that’s why the mass media focus on the most emotional and dramatic parts. Zimmerman is someone’s child, too, however privileged he may have become in his life. Zimmerman has to live with the fact he killed a man the rest of his life and everyone knows about it. If you think he won’t think about his actions every day for the rest of his life and be looking over his shoulder, you have overlooked an important fact about being human.

          I am more aware that our nation has no clue how our governmental agencies function and maintain the rule of law when asked to do so because they are mesmerized by fictional accounts of “justice” via Perry Mason, Matlock, Law & Order, Harry’s Law, etc.
          FACT: There’s a lot of tragedy in life that never sees a courtroom or the media’s lens because no one involved has a political agenda (to get elected, to make an example of).

          The case of T. Martin’s murder puts doubt in the minds of people that freedom is absolute, that young men do not need limits and that young men have good judgment.
          T. Martin should not have been where he was when he was because he was a minor and did not own property there and therefore was a threat to anyone there who perceived him as a threat. Do not tell me another black man would not have questioned T. Martin about what he was doing running around at night with a hood in a Florida suburb (oh right, that’s just common to black folk <<racist).
          Race only would have entered the picture if there was a record of white, hispanic or asian kids running around after dark in the same suburb and NOT being intercepted/warned by Mr. Zimmerman.

        • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 2:01 am #

          Yes, reasonable doubt.

          This case never came close to being a twenty-first century Sacco and Vanzetti. It was just one really bad fucked up situation, that’s all.

          My money is on both Zimmerman and Martin waking up that morning each with a big bug up their butts and each pissed off about some private personal problem. Then later all that pent-up energy got released in a really bad way.

          Then the whole country did exactly the same thing. They take a tragic case of simple human fucked-upness and read all kinds of meaning into it that isn’t there to begin with.

          Perhaps Zimmerman saw Martin as symbolic of all the evils giving him grief. Perhaps Martin saw Zimmerman as symbolic of all the evils giving him grief. We don’t know for sure but we can be sure that all kinds of people are using both Zimmerman and Martin as symbols for all the grief in their lives.

          How can we be sure?

          Because the people I’m talking about didn’t know either Zimmerman or Martin and weren’t there to see what happened any more than you or I.

          It was the job of the jury to figure it all out as best can be done. If the case was properly presented they are the only ones qualified to judge. People in the streets marching over this thing have issues. If they knew Martin, fine, I can respect that, but if they didn’t they are just causing trouble. They weren’t there. If marchers have issues with the verdict or are concerned about a miscarriage of justice they need to be very specific about their concerns. Unless there are specific concerns that are being articulated protesters of the Zimmerman decision need to all have a big cup of shut the fuck up. Lack of specific grievance disrespects the court.

          Is media reporting the Zimmerman reaction accurately or are they only stirring the pot? I wouldn’t put it past that Cooper character.

          Perhaps the media finds stirring up a circus to be cheaper, safer and more profitable than reporting on real news. Life in the big city writes the tales of a hundred novels every day. And that’s only in one city block.

          We concentrate on a single tragedy and make it symbolic to all life. We give it twisted universal meanings just because it suits us to do so and gives us some gain. Then we go on and believe our own lies compounding our crime.

          Reasonable doubt, from what little I know. – K-Dog

  11. Frank July 15, 2013 at 11:11 am #

    Not one of the better postings… The only thing that really mattered in that trial was the actions and states of minds of those two people. What the Black Panthers did 40 years ago is no more relevant then the type of man the shooters father was or wasn’t. One of them was walking home… And one of them was walking around with a gun, looking for trouble…

    Taking the side of an obviously embittered stalker with a gun? Quite shameful. Quite.

    • ChicagoRob July 15, 2013 at 11:34 am #

      Dittos. Poor column, Jim, that gives a window into a part of your civic psyche that you need to work on.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

      The Police are cutting back because of the lack of funds. Read the last part of Kunstler’s “The Long Emergency”. Society isn’t going to take any nonsense from Blacks anymore. There’s not going to be fewer gated communities and armed guards, but more. The future belongs to armed good guys like Mr Zimmerman. I hope he gets his gun back and wish to congratulate him on the verdice. And thank the fine ladies of the jury.

  12. Phutatorius July 15, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    The HBO series “The Wire” was an excellent exploration of race relations, the drug war, and much else that is relevant to modern America that takes about 70 hours to watch, beginning to end. I think it is the equal of any of the great novels like … name your favorite. Perhaps mine is The Brothers Karamazov.

    • Frank July 15, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

      A TV show may give you glimpse into the minds of the writer, directors, producers and maybe even sponsors. Anything else probably subject to conformation bias.

    • sprezzatura July 15, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

      “The Wire” is probably one of the best TV series ever written, right up there with “Mad Men” and “Breaking Bad”. It vividly depicts the waste of human potential caused by discrimination. Its principal black characters (Avon Barksdale, Omar, Prop Joe, Stringer Bell) would all have been successful businessmen under other circumstances.

      There are two types of people: those who love “The Wire”, and those who haven’t seen it.

  13. troutbum2 July 15, 2013 at 11:32 am #

    If GZ was black and TM was white, how many decades would GZ spend in jail? My guess is 3 to 6.

    • ChicagoRob July 15, 2013 at 11:33 am #

      Thank you. EXACTLY. Especially in Florida, with an all-white jury. Please.

  14. ChicagoRob July 15, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    “America’s non-black “diversity” cheerleaders … remain adamant in their own opposition to the idea of common culture.”

    Really? I’m a diversity cheerleader, and I strongly support a common culture.

    • whitehunter July 15, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

      I suppose in a world where “war is peace,” “freedom is slavery,” and “ignorance is strength,” diversity can be common.

      • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

        No, Common is a rappa dat Obama invited to the white house.

  15. baldski July 15, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Florida sentenced Marissa Alexander who is black to twenty years for firing a shot into the ceiling to stop her husband from attacking her. She killed nor injured no one.

    George Zimmerman walks for killing and unarmed teenager who is black.

    Juries are not for deciding justice. Their purpose is to render a verdict.

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    • Karah July 15, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

      So…because she didn’t hurt anyone with her wild shot, it makes it okay for women to threaten their husbands with murder if they don’t stop attacking them? What if there was someone upstairs or heaven forbid a child present while she was waving the gun around? Is there NO OTHER WAY she could have handled the situation? We know enough about domestic violence to understand why things escalate to the point of disrupting the peace.

      • iwonder July 15, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

        No you don’t. Not unless you have been there.

  16. Anotherplayaguy July 15, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    “I’m sure that our drug laws are stupid and counter-productive, but I’m also sure that most of the young men caught in its web were doing something anti-social besides just holding, using, and selling.”

    Reflect on that statement. Can you see the racism? And is doing something antisocial enough to be imprisoned for? Antisocialism is a virtue in this culture.

    • outsider July 15, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

      Agreed, Anotherplayaguy. Never thought I’d read such outright racism from so many posters. Reads like many of the racist comments I used to scan when I received Townhall online (I cancelled). Both extremes are segregating into armed camps with more and more people afraid to venture out at night. I’m currently reading Dimitry Orlov’s “Five Stages of Collapse” (recommended by JHK). Looks like the future of the US to me.

  17. whitehunter July 15, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    A boldly analytical analysis of race in America. You’re likely to catch some crap over this one.

  18. Punctilious July 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    I’m hoping that you are just coming down from a morphine high. Didn’t expect, after waiting for this site to come up this morning, to find such drivel.
    You KNOW that Travon Martin attacked George Zimmerman? HOW?
    ‘Cause a paid performer said so?
    Why wasn’t Zimmerman The Very Good Guy and Civic Person put on the stand? Hmmm? Could it be his racism would have been shown to the world?
    Really. A wasted read this morning. So sorry you are not up and about and ranting at real problems in the world, without providing a sub-context that smacks of……gee…I don’t know what.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

      Zimmerman had Black friends who stood by him during the trial. Also a couple of years ago, he advocated for a homeless Black man being harassed by the police. Also some say one of his grand parents was Black.

      Whose the bigot? You are – prejudiced for Blacks and against Whites or “White Hispanics” which Zimmerman isn’t btw. Marco Rubio, the traitor, is a White Hispanic.

      • wardad July 15, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

        He was told to stay in the car, he didn’t. He was armed, TM was not. GZ was looking for trouble and found it. And the funny thing is, the unarmed person beat up the armed person that STARTED the confrontation.

        Enough said, GZ is guilty of murder. I couldn’t careless if he is or is not a “racist” or how many “black friends” he has.

        God, you racists are so fucking stupid.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

          No, Trayvon, 6 foot Trayvon, initiated the attack. Zimmerman was just doing his citizen’s duty guarding his neighborhood. The Police can’t do it alone anymore. We’re back to Colonial Times where men have to protect themselves, their families, and their communities.

          All 6 foot baby Tray had to do was go home. He didn’t have to stalk Zimmerman. Or when they met, he didn’t have to strike him and then start banging his head against the concrete. Nor did he have to go for his gun – which sealed his doom.

          God, you liberals are so stupid…

          • wardad July 16, 2013 at 6:46 am #

            Okay, so you are troll. We get it. You go out int the sun and insist that its raining. I go it.

  19. Tancred July 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    JHK invokes the concept of “shared values and behavioral norms,” but it’s hard to imagine if such a culture is possible or even preferable. Does he mean values and norms that are consistent with what HE deems to be best? There is no need to expand upon the basic problems of establishing such a monolithic culture. Not even the racially or ethnically homogenous culture is not without its variation in values and norms. But speaking of not having conversations, I think one fundamental conversation that needs to be had is just why so many Anglo-Europeans actually thought that it was completely understandable to enslave millions of Africans and use them for manual labor here in the United States. Regardless of language and physiognomic differences, just the fact that white and black people could mate and have offspring should have been proof enough that they were “people.”

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm #

      Wolves and Dogs can also mate, but almost always the male is the Wolf. Likewise, in inter-racial mating, the male is usually Black. This is the fulfillment of Jefferson’s deepest fears – and exactly the future He, Lincoln, and et al sought to curtail.

      • Casualty09 July 15, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

        “Likewise, in inter-racial mating, the male is usually Black. This is the fulfillment of Jefferson’s deepest fears”

        Is it safe to assume you are being sarcastic given that Jefferson – a male – fathered a number of mixed-race children with a female (Black) slave?

  20. vengeur July 15, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    Thank you Mr. Kunstler. It takes courage these days to tell what used to be obvious truths.

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  21. kansas ham on wry July 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    JHK may bemoan the lack of a common culture that all are fully invested in, but I submit to you that for blacks, this has NEVER been the narrative. I’m long enough in the tooth to remember segregated facilities and news reports of lynchings. To quote Faulkner: ‘The past is never dead. It’s not even past.’ You can’t just enact sweeping laws (some of which are in the process of being revoked on the putative grounds that we’re sufficiently color-blind they are no longer necessary) and wash away the previous hundreds of years of obloquy. I’m not defending thug culture. But the witches cauldron of racial discrimination and oppression is a recipe virtually guaranteed to establish a disaffected underclass. Whirlwinds are being reaped due to the actions of our ancestors.

    As for the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case, I wonder how the verdict would have been if the roles were reversed. What if an armed black man stalked an unarmed white man leaving a convenience store after buying Skittles, got into a fight and shot him, claiming self-defense? Would the same jury have found it justifiable homicide? It’s all a matter of the facts you wish to focus on. JHK says ‘ the six-foot-tall child was beating the smaller gunman’s head into the pavement in the minutes before he shot.’ Well, if you put it THAT way………But you could also ask yourself what would YOU do if someone with a gun accosted you in the middle of the night. Did Trayvon have a history of violent offenses (granted, Zimmerman would have no way of knowing this in the heat of the incident, but it might shed light on Trayvon’s actions)? As for the fight or flight response, flight obviously wasn’t working (Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after being specifically told NOT to do so by the 911 operator, so he is the one that made the choice to engage). Trayvon may have felt he had to defend himself – neither Mr. Kunstler or I were there, so we can’t attest to the specifics. But it’s interesting how the facts of the case can be selectively emphasized or dismissed to buttress your pre-conceptions.

    As for the point that whites agonize over the N-word while black entertainers use it with impunity, I see its frequency in black culture as a way to co-opt a hurtful phrase and invert its meaning into something more assertive. But personally I treat the word like the toxic waste that it is. The word is laden with so much emotional and historic baggage that I wouldn’t ever consider using it (or derogatory phrases for Hispanics, Eastern Europeans or any other ethnic group – my wife, a Ciudad Juarez native, would rearrange my anatomy if I did). It would be better if no one used the word. But I don’t feel qualified to judge its use by the race it is directed against.

    • Warren July 15, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

      Regards the GZ/TM case, one thing I find strange is that GZ is half Jewish half Peruvian American of African descent. GZ is portrayed in the media as being white, when under almost any other circumstances he would be described as Hispanic. It is as if the media can not bring it self to report on a Hispanic on Black crime.

      Which perhaps explains why a far bigger story of blacks being killed, assaulted and murdered in a violent ethnic cleansing of blacks by Hispanics, i.e. Mexican drug gangs, in Escondido, California and other parts of southern California has not been reported outside of the local internet news outlets.

      • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

        There is another horror story here. Why did the La Raza, Mecha etc ‘activists’ not race to defend one of their own?
        Because they exist to destroy the USA and the White majority, not to defend the GZ of this country.
        So much for ‘for the race everything, outside the race nothing’.

    • Being There July 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

      Thank you KHOW,

      Well put and my point exactly. Concentrating on the last moments instead of reviewing the whole dynamic is the problem here.

      All this in lieu of politicians who are trying to put obstacles in the way of the black vote, now because they protect the interests of those who hate blacks.

    • Karah July 20, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

      This made me think that two of the Black’s biggest fears is

      1) being completely assimilated into Anglo culture and

      2) no longer being 100% USDA Black African

      The White Supremacists have the same racial anxieties.
      Think about it…who are you if you can’t define yourself by your color/genetics/history. The “melting pot” is proposed to be one of the solutions to racism. The president can be “sympathetic” to blacks but he lives a white lifestyle with white goals. I think black goals stem around living in Heaven with Jesus or winning the NBA Championship.
      White goals are winning a political seat or winning NASCAR or winning the Masters Golf Tournament.

  22. czknows July 15, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    Way too many, way too sensitive!

  23. El Indio July 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Wow Jim you brought out the thought police you bad raciss you! Its best to be cowardly about race and just ignore it all or say its all white people/capitalisms fault you know the usual things…..

    Seriously–everybody objecting to Jims points seems to have forgotten that there was an eyewitness and a 911 call which bore out Zimmermans story.

    Hell the police believed him and let him go. The media edited transcripts and outright lied to make this a race thing and oops then they realized Zimmerman was a Latino so what we now invent White Hispanic for a Hispanic with a black grandfather. For you guys mad at the whole thing–why not protest and get worked up over the 100’s of young blacks killed by other young blacks since this show trial started? What you only get upset when a Latino kills a black kid? Just wondering.

    Racism or not, the data on black on black and just plain black crime are astounding. As are the dysfunction in the inner city. Yep lets ignore than too. We working class Latinos are a lot closer to this issue than the liberal comenters and well Jim is spot on.

    • Being There July 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

      The police did not let him go by choice, but because they were told to by a higher-up.
      The policeman on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman.

      This stand your ground law was even repudiated after the shooting by Jeb Bush who helped pass the law. The involvement of ALEC in the passing of the law is quite interesting as well.

      • El Indio July 15, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

        The higher up was police too no? Anyway, what is your point? He wound up being arrested and tried and found not guilty no?

        The higher ups (the DA) then indicted him. I think that is how the justice system works no?

        You also in your original note neglected the whole eyewitness thing.

        Have no clue about Jeb Bush or ALEC (?). Simple a Latino pinhead shoots a black pinhead, media makes mistake and see opportunity to the ratings generating gold mine of white kills poor unarmed black teen, but oops turns out shooter is a latino and the black boy was a thug seen beating latino senseless by an eyewitness. Could not put the genie back in the bottle–Al Sharpton could not say well he was beating the crap out of a latino who was packing and lets forget the whole white man kills sweet teenager narrative which a lot of people love and well still believe no matter what facts are present.

        Whoever is beating another guy against the pavement senseless runs a big risk if the guy he is beating up is packing a gun.

      • Trean July 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

        You are aware that the stand your ground law played no part in any of his defence. Nor was he instructed to stay in the car by the police, merely advised by the dispatcher that he did not have to do so.
        Zimmermans pistol also fired a single round without reloading. There are limited circumstances in which this happens in close quarters. As time passes and details emerge from the actual trial rather than the media hype perceptions will change. There will be a lot of red faces who will wish to forget their stance.
        Whilst I would normally not agree with Janos he is cirrect that all TM had to do to stay alive was jog on home less than minute away. Instead he circled around and jumped GZ. The evidence, witness statements and GZ s statements backed each other up from day 1 and from day 1 the media has had its own agenda.
        The media would be far better served discussing the facts that the no 1 cause of death of black males aged 15 to 35 is shooting. Over 9 out of 10 of which the killer is another black male of the same age group. Thousands due but instead of tackling the problem they continue to put the blame on whitey!! If it wasnt so ruddy sad it would be laughable…….

        • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

          The MEDIA???? The D o J was funding the protests. The POTUS commented repeatedly, always in favor of the deceased.
          To think it was merely a ‘media spin’ is dishonest.

  24. Faust100F July 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    There is nothing in GZ testimony that would substantiate he was a racist. That was fabricated by NBC et.al. when they altered the 911 tape, and hopefully GZ will own NBC before that trial is over.

    After reviewing the facts, and the factual material that was not allowed to be presented against TM at trial, I believe that the Jury arrived at the right conclusion. He was a thief, as evidenced by items taken by him and found in his possession and returned to owners.

    He had an illegal substance in his blood at the time of this event and most telling his mother kicked him out of her home, and he was kicked out of school for 53 days leading up two this event.

    As long as young blacks want to present an image of gangsta’s and look like criminals they will continue to face the situations found in this trial.

    As long as these “gangsta’s hold a jaundiced view towards education which has always been one way to improve your life in this country.

    I came to the conclusion after listening to the black lawyers with regard to this case that there is a dual standard for licensing lawyers in the United States just as there are dual grading standards and employment standards based upon skin color.

    It is clear to me that maybe the reason there are so many Black inmates, may because the black lawyers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

    I think this came about, when five decades ago, we decided that the values of Americans which had previously been baed upon the work ethic, risk taking, merit, and education were abolished and skin color became the standard for preferences and displaced the hard work and merit standard most Americans were familiar with up until that time.

    Today almost 50 years later we find that our government jobs are filled with unqualified individuals, many of color and who cannot be fired by companies and governments because of racial discrimination law suits, have allowed dead wood to pile up in these entities and change the attitude of government towards its citizens.

    To bolster my point, just listen to 911 calls and how they are handled by black public employees, call the IRS sometime and try to get an answer. This is why we have problems in our society. When people are given opportunity instead of earning it there is a chasm between a sense of urgency between the two.

    Of course I reside West of the Mississippi and believe in a person earning their place in life, and not being kept like cattle from cradle to grave and I believe any citizen has the right to kill to save their lives. John

    • Tancred July 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

      I work in the government here in Atlanta and it is indeed a giant make-work project for traditionally under-employed black people. My own boss tells me to put letters in a “vanilla” envelope and talks about the end of the “physical” year. Part of that is the result of a black majority that sees all government employment as part of a defacto reparations program.

      Curiously, one black co-worker I totally respected would often tell me how he thought that integration was “the worst thing that ever happened” to blacks. He said, correctly, that there were many self-sustaining black communities and neighborhoods, and that forced integration set up the black populace for failure and chronic discrimination.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

      Take the last step: admit your ancestors were right that they are less intelligent. All evidence, including IQ tests, show this. Evidence for the status quo viewpoint? None.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

      In Massachusetts, they seemed to use White semi-retards to man the State phones. It’s a very effect first line of defense if you want to get rid of callers. You have to keep asking for their supervisor – who is usually of normal intelligence.

      But yes Blacks public employees have a special animus, adding negativity to their general laziness and incompetence.

  25. San Jose July 15, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Zimmerman is a loser who was out looking for trouble. I feel really bad for Treyvon’s parents.

    An anecdote on race relations from my neck of the woods: My son was downtown stopping for a beer after a night class last semester. He saw two black guys standing around in front of a closed storefront. He went out of his way to avoid them, and they yelled “racist” at him. I’m sure he would have gone out of his way to avoid white motorcyclists or Hispanics wearing gang colors.

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    • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 8:14 pm #

      Yr son was being [race] realistic. The 2 guys were offering White guilt. They are trained to do this.

  26. Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    We’ve learned that it’s still okay to kill a person for walking while black.

    • El Indio July 15, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

      No its not o.k. However if a guy of any color is beating my head against the pavement and I am packing–I’s shooting. What would you do if a 6 foot tall guy is beating you up? Ask for more?

      • Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

        I wouldn’t follow someone for no reason, chase them when they try to lose me, and initiate a confrontation in the first place.

        • Casualty09 July 15, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

          Exactly, Oakgeo. . . .

          And what El Indio and others here fail to see, in their focus on the scuffle/fight between TM and GZ, is that racism likely played a significant role in the fact that there was an interaction between Zimmerman and Martin in the first place.

          Had Martin been a white kid without a hoodie – let’s call him Taylor Martin – I doubt Zimmerman would have paid him much attention. Taylor would have made it home with his Skittles no problem and GZ would’ve driven around looking for more perceived “problems.” But because it’s Trayvon (hell, he even has a “Black” name to help with this narrative), Zimmerman, the cop wannabe, immediately jumps to the conclusion that he’s a hoodlum up to no good who should be followed.To my knowledge, Zimmerman never provided any specific evidence that TM was acting in a way that made him suspicious – unless “walking while Black and wearing a hoodie in the rain” is now a crime. No, he perceived Trayvon as a criminal or a thug because he was black. He may have used other phrases – e.g., “he seemed out of place” – but let’s be clear, race was a factor, and probably the most important (if not the only) factor that led GZ to be suspicious in the first place.

          GZ’s actions – i.e., choosing to follow TM – constitute racial profiling, plain and simple. And blaming the victim like so many have done – and which, frankly, I believe JHK doesm, shamefully, in this week’s post when he focuses on some perceived anti-social Black culture – ignores the complicated area that is race relations in America. Racism is often subtle rather than overt, and in this instance, a more subtle racism may have informed GZ’s perception of TM (I’m giving GZ the benefit of the doubt in this area; something he never did for TM when he chose to follow him).

          So yes, race was clearly a factor in informing the line of GZ’s “reasoning” that identified TM as a hoodlum or a criminal. To focus on the scuffle (or worse, to use this whole tragedy to lecture young Blacks about their “culture”) and the possibility that GZ may have been acting in self-defense at the final moment of TM’s life ignores the fact that the interaction was initiated solely by Zimmerman, and likely in response to a variety of his own racist impulses.

        • Trean July 15, 2013 at 5:02 pm #

          Except that the evidence demostrated that he didn’t. This also demonstrates that you are too much ofva dumbass to bother withreality but prefer your own prejudices instead.

  27. janet July 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    Kanye West is what? 36 years old? He has 7 albums, 5 films, and 3 books. But whites choose to focus on the lyrics of one song from early in Kanye’s career when one of the forms hip hop took was gangsta rap.

    Even so, even way back then, Kanye’s lyrics had a message:

    Nigga … Nigga, why yo’ pants gotta sag?
    Nigga … Nigga, cause hand-me-downs downs is all a nigga has!
    Nigga … Nigga, why you scared to go to court?
    Shit, cause the judge look just like that motherfucker put our ass on the boat and made me a nigga

    You conveniently ignore the ten years of creative work after that song in which Kanye West evolved his musical expression, much of which features distinctive and intricate string arrangements.

    Kanye is not a ghetto kid. He came from an educated middle class family (his mother a university professor) and he knows what he is doing and has been more successful than many of us. Meow.

    • James Howard Kunstler July 15, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      Janet writes:

      Here are lyrics from Kanye’s brand-new album:

      Yeezy season approaching
      Fuck whatever y’all been hearing
      Fuck what, fuck whatever y’all been wearing
      A monster about to come alive again
      Soon as I pull up and park the Benz
      We get this bitch shaking like Parkinsons
      Take my number and lock it in
      Indian hair, no moccasins
      It’s too many hoes in this house of sin
      Real nigga back in the house again
      Black Timbs all on your couch again
      Black dick all in your spouse again
      And I know she like chocolate men
      She got more niggas off than Cochran, huh?

      How much do I not give a fuck?
      Let me show you right now ‘fore you give it up
      How much do I not give a fuck?
      Let me show you right now ‘fore you give it up

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

      If he came from a middle class background, he should be ashamed of himself.

    • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 2:16 am #

      I overheard a conversation recently where it was explained that the first years of hip-hop expressed a genuine reaction to social conditions in the black community but that the movement was soon pre-empted by commerce and then the lyrics all went to shit.

      That was someone else’s opinion of your ‘ten years of creative work‘.

      Just saying.

  28. Themachinawkid July 15, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    I think one of the most non discussed issues in my opinion is the fear non-black culture has to provide direct feedback to black culture. There is so much fear of offending, that nothing gets addressed. Even like JHK states as the failure on CNN to discuss Zimmerman’s head hitting pavement, which is a perfect example of the fear to confront.

    Lack of feedback is what happens to movie stars as they reach a zenith of stardom in which their handlers will never provide feedback for fear of being fired, so the movie star gets stranger by the day. Feedback is so important, but unfortunately very lacking in this cross cultural situation.

    I commend JHK in your willingness to offer up some feedback.

    Also, and this is much more pervasive and destructive is the black cultural attitude of verbally putting each other down and confrontational conversations. I noticed it first in my teens going to one of the first integrated schools in 1966-1970, in which the black culture would start verbally digging into someone, challenging their very stature as a human being. Then I noticed my friends picking up the same routine. I said to them one day, “What the heck are you doing?! You’re tearing into each other just like they do at school! I’m going home and leaving you guys to go at it, have fun.” The next time I saw them they went back to the way it was between us before. That’s positive feedback.

    But that verbal attack mode has now seeped into Americana in TV, movies and day to day life. Instead of their culture changing, we changed to match theirs! It is by far the most culturally destructive effect and it just seems to be getting worse.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

      Yes, good point. They’ve had a horrible effect on White Youth Culture. We’re not raising them up so much as they’re dragging us down.

      Note: some White subcultures have always torn each other to pieces as well. The sociologist Zimbardo compared the Greek American to the Jewish American noting how supportive the latter was compared to the Greek. If a young man’s business failed, the Greeks would mock him while the Jews would laud him for trying.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

      Yes. Pandering to people is like feeding them ice cream and expecting them to be healthy. The body thrives on roughage and the stress of gravity. Always agreeing with someone denotes cruelty or indifference. Do Liberals really care about Blacks? Or is it all just a way to tear down traditional White Society. And earn a good living while you deem yourself superior? They started out to do good and ended up doing well it would seem.

      Last year some Black kids tried the knockout game on the wrong White. He took out a knife and defended himself effectively leaving one in the hospital and one in the grave. No charges. If you Liberals love Blacks, it’s time to tell them to Stop.

  29. Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Consider this: if there had been one Black on the jury, it would have been hung. In what sense are they are peers?

    • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm #


  30. IS4U July 15, 2013 at 2:01 pm #


    Your play on stereotypes is disappointing and not at all helpful.

    Your stereotype of an oppositional black males exemplified by Kanye West and street wise-gang-bangers may not have applied to Trevon Martin. The only testimony from the trial about Trevon’s state of mind comes from Rachel Jeantel. Despite her attitude and demeanor which probably alienated the jurors, she testified that Trevon thought Zimmerman might have been a sexual predator—-a rapist—-“a creepy-ass-cracker”.

    Given Trevon’s likely attribution of George Zimmerman as a sexual predator—-If George Zimmerman had grabbed Trevon and tried to restrain him until the police arrived); then Trevon would have had the same rights of self-defense as the verdict afforded Zimmerman. Trevon would have had as good a reason to use deadly force (to fend off a sexual assault) as George Zimmerman claims he had.

    The rub is that neither Trevon Martin nor any other witness besides Zimmerman can testify as to what sequence of events transpired in the struggle. We only have Zimmerman’s narrative.

    I agree with your last point. We learned nothing from the trial.

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

      So you admit reasonable doubt then? Since after all “we don’t know”? Actually there were two witnesses but you don’t know that and don’t want to know either.

      • IS4U July 15, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

        Yes, of course, there was a reasonable doubt. The “not guilty” verdict was justifiable; but the process failed to reveal with reasonable certainty what happened that night.

        Despite your presumption to read my mind, I would like to know how any witnesses experienced that struggle.

        Instead of trying to read my mind. letting us know which two witnesses you have in mind might be nice.


  31. Landbeyond July 15, 2013 at 2:22 pm #

    We’ve learned that Jim:
    1) is a racist
    2) thinks “smaller” is a synonym for shorter.
    Very sad.

    • El Indio July 15, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

      Truly profound and thoughtful.

    • Piper Michael July 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

      Yes, you are a very sad individual.
      We are all mental midgets, and you are a legend in your own mind.

  32. Piper Michael July 15, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    I hope you are feeling better?

    In the end you are correct, and your detractors continue to show how brain damaged they are, especially the ‘Justice 4 Trayvon’ crowd. They didn’t watch the trial, they listened to the highlights on the Communist News Network. Those talking heads should be taken out and shot. NBC, hopefully, will lose a large chunk of change because of ‘fixing the narrative’, and stirring up crowds. What would be nice, would be for G Zimmerman to end up OWNING THEM.

    Yesterday, my wife went to Wally world, and a young black ‘yout’ in a hoodie no less(naturally!), broke in front of her in line with an elbow to the side. Exclaiming, “do sumpin’ about it cracker bitch…”. He better be glad it wasn’t ME standing in line. A couple weeks ago, 3 people were shot by a similar gangsta THUG. The GZ trial was not about race, but it appears, the liberals and their media whores have sewn a renewal black blood lust. Fine, we know how to deal with the Madness of crowds syndrome.

    This is indicative of how correct you are, we have become a brain damaged country, society, and culture. Normalcy bias that morphs into cognitive dissonance, has now turned to systemic irrationality, and is led by the culture of envy and stupidity. The Collective Hive is angry, too bad, Trayvon got the justice he deserved because he fell victim to the mentally deranged culture the liberals created. They created this by giving the black a new vocational aspiration, welfare queens, breeding for bucks, while the studs get to play, not having any responsibilities to their offspring. And now, they want to say that their favorite game, The Knockout Game, is elevated in status to the point where we, the white, cannot legally defend ourselves? NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

    He had four minutes to get home, in the rain, why didn’t he?… doesn’t that ring any bells? Why didn’t he go home, which was only a skip and a jump away? Simple, the little thug wanna be felt ‘dissed’ by being watched by the neighborhood watch captain after a rash of burglaries. He jumped out of the bushes and sucker punched him, and the rest is history.

    Trayvon Martin, was a victim of injustice, for sure. The injustice of a system that coddled him and taught him that being a thug and a gangsta was more preferable and fun, than being a rocket scientist. While the DA HID EVIDENCE of his THUGISHNESS? And now The Man wants to take away our right to self defense by calling it a CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION? FUCK THEM. They no longer have the moral authority to sit in their offices, and should be impeached en masse. They are no longer the President and AG of all the people, they have taken sides, and that, will be the death of us all.

    Trayvon got the justice he brought on himself, just like the crowds of Trayvons will get the justice they deserve if they carry out their threats to bring their violence to the white areas. We believe in self defense, and will exercise that right. It would be a sad day, if I had to mow down a crowd of blacks, ‘scuse me, the term now is; niggas.

    This is the other thing the trial brought forth, that ‘creepy ass cracker’ is not RASISS (racist in english), but cultural, they just talk like that so its ok? OK THEN! What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander, equal opportunity offensiveness for all. Because the black culture themselves, released us all from PC and now push hating one another openly, is that what you GODDAMNED STUPID LIBERALS WANTED? Unintended Consequences is your modus operandi, enjoy it.

    Then bring it on. Come with your black brothers and attack our homes and businesses, and in the end, many of us will simply mow you down, and when the cops show up, we will do the same thing you in The Hood do… “Nope, I didn’t see nuthin'”.

    I am not a racist, but I’m getting that way. And it will be your fault, for pushing your stupid agenda into the area of the madness of crowds. Once the madness comes, it is not sated except by blood, and blood begets blood. Which becomes a vicious circle.

    Do not think the dark man coming down with his gun control or ‘civil rights’ agenda to take away our right to defend ourselves against thugs, will work. Come after our guns, and millions of guns will be lost in boating accidents, and the gun grabbers will disappear too. Come after our civil rights to defend ourselves, and you will still die under mysterious circumstances. And, when they start burning our homes, others will decide to burn other things, like black ghettos, banksters, and your darlings that are protecting you.

    You better listen to James, he is speaking reason to stupid. Once stupid breaks loose, there will be no going back. Take it from an old Vietnam vet, once the madness of crowds breaks loose, it spreads and becomes cancer. And tinfoil cancer kills the host.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

      Yes, it was a Show Trial. And I’m amazed at how many otherwise intelligent people are still falling for it. Even the ones who have seen through Obama still haven’t seen through the Agenda that Obama represents – and their tactics of divide and conquer. As Lenin said, Communism depends on useful idiots. But there will be no accord now since it’s a religion to them and most will die before they reject it. We need to separate from the Liberals and their minority enforcers.

    • Landbeyond July 15, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

      You are a danger to yourself and others. Get treatment.

  33. George July 15, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    The Verdict

    Finally the Zimmerman trial’s over! It was clear from the onset that the prosecution never had the evidence needed to win the case. There was little choice given the nature of the case and the political environment the prosecution was subject to. I believe George Zimmerman’s story and though I’m certain he didn’t set out to murder young Travon, he was, nonetheless, guilty of being stupid and prosecuting him for that would violate the same legislation enacted to ensure Travon’s rights.

    I wonder if either George or Trayvon had the slightest notion during their altercation that they were acting on a global stage. Not likely, but the world could have watched if it troubled itself to.

    I argue that because the behaviors and attitudes of both George and Trayvon were limited by the conditioning of their environments, they were already on a collision course.
    There’s that saying: “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

    Despite the best intentions of Congress, we are in some respects, on balance, the same people we were before the 13th and 14th Amendments and all the Civil Rights legislation passed since the Civil War. That case told us who we are. And if the world troubled itself to listen, it told the world and all of history as well.

    Basically, we are, I hate to note this, NASCAR nation: a nation of pickup-truck worshiping rednecks that doesn’t have the slightest notion what the Civil Rights fuss is all about. And in a few short years when the complex systems we’ve become dependent on fail as the energy crisis ramps up, all those oblivious people out there who’re already on collision courses, will begin running into one another.

    Oh, for those who’re interested, I posted another chapter of “Grand Revolution”. And, as usual, the most recent posting goes on top. http://www.thesisa.org

  34. Tia July 15, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    I have read this blog for a number of years and I have never been so stunned and sad about some of the comments including JHK.
    A young man’s life was taken in a moment of rage and confusion. What has happened to our society? We have not changed since the Europeans came to this continent and destroyed the land and lives of the people who honored “mother earth” and all her creations.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

      So what, call the Police? They’ll probably come minutes or hours later. Many have tried to sue the police for allowing a crime to happen. They always lose as well they should. The Police keep general order by apprehending criminals who HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED A CRIME. See the difference? Stopping a crime in progress or before it happens? How could they in general?

      Self defense is your job primarily. Scary but true. A cop told women in Toronto to show some common sense and thereby started the Slut Walking Movement. But such actions women confirm traditional assessments of women’s character and capabilities.

      Go to your nearest Museum of Art and Culture and look at the weapons the Native Americans used on each other. Also they hunted any number of species to extinction – such as the Wooly Mammoth.

      • Landbeyond July 15, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

        Your comment is irrelevant. What crime was happening before Zimmerman followed Martin?
        And you think only Native Americans hunted the woolly mammoth?

    • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm #

      TM died, so that GM could live. Dawg eat dawg.

  35. McMike July 15, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    What we [re}-learned: that it is a bad idea to allow untrained armed civilian vigilantes to roam the streets acting as neighborhood security forces.

    Zimmerman left the safety of his car, instigated contact after being told by authorities not to, and killed a man as a consequence of his tracking him down and confronting him.

    For what? To protect someone/something, from what? What was so imminent that it required Zimmerman’s immediate armed unauthorized intervention?

    What sustainable system of civilization allows people to stuff a pistol in their belt and chase people down and the street and confront them because they don;t like the way they look?

    A man is dead for the crime of walking down the street, and the guy who chased him down, confronted him, and shot him, is walking away scot free – in fact a hero in some quarters.

    Boy Mr. Kunstler, for a guy who spends a lot of energy looking for examples of the breakdown in our declining value of life and scant values of life, and for examples of our hysterical overreactions and callous allowances in pursuit of “security,” you sure missed a big one here.

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    • El Indio July 15, 2013 at 3:22 pm #

      Walking? Could have sworn the witness said he shot the guy when he was beating the crap out of him.

      • McMike July 15, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

        What was the shooter doing the moment before this alleged beating occurred?

        If I coat myself in salmon eggs and camp out along an Alaskan River, am I justified in shooting any bear that decided to take a bite out of me?

        If I walk into a biker bar and start threatening the clients, am I justified in shooting the first one that swings a pool cue at me?

        If I leave my vehicle to track down and confront a person because I don;t like the way he looks, am I justified for killing him if he defends himself?

        • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

          If they had met, Zimmerman would have probably asked what he was doing on private property. If no good answer was forthcoming, he might have asked him to leave. Trayvon of course thought that he could do whatever he wanted. And was going to let some creepy ass cracker dis him by daring to follow him. There, I fixed it for you.

        • Trean July 15, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

          If you confront a person using words and they take it upon themselves to try and beat your brains out on the pavement then yes you are justified in defending yourself. The law states so quite clearly and this was the reason GZ was cleared. TM could have ran home, dialled911. Had GZ just walked up and shot TM then that would have been murderl. In this case the witness statements, the forensic evidence, GZs statement all demostrate that GZ was on the floor being pummeled by a 6foot aggresive young man who had severe anger issues. The jury were correct intheir finding as was the original prosecutor who determined that there was no case to answer.
          Sometime in the near future the evidence that the prosecution withheld from TMs phone will be released and new light will be shone on TMs charecter.
          NBC are going to be lucky to get away with less than $20 million in compensation when GZ sues them. Talk about the perfect case. All on tape, enoumous damage to GZ by the sheer no of people who heard it. Its a lawyers wet dream. No doudt he is picking out a new jet to buy with his cut right now!!

          • McMike July 15, 2013 at 5:51 pm #

            Indeed. Only in America can you get stupid rich for killing a person for walking down the street.

            Of course, it helps if the killing validates the racial prejudices and fear-addled redemptive violence fantasies of twisted right wing fan boys.

          • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

            He had a cell, he didnt need to ‘run home’ to call 911.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

        They don’t know about the witnesses nor do they want to. It would spoil their ignorant bliss.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

      The authorities believed Zimmerman and released him. Then the Obama Administration replaced those authorities and prepared for a show trial. The Department of Justice helped organize demonstrations – just like what used to happen in the Soviet Union.

  36. phaedrus July 15, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

    We have learned that anger and fear have a death grip on our society. If both Trayvon and Zimmerman had realized that they were paranoid of each other and that neither one had intent to harm that night then things would have been a lot different. We can safely say that these emotions blind us to the truth of our situation. We know that Zimmerman wasn’t a stalker and Trayvon wasn’t a criminal mastermind terrorizing a Florida condominium complex. Reality is independent of our non-dualistic brain-mind. Both Trayvon and Zimmerman, along with the rest of society, haven’t evolved in their thinking as will be required to survive the world ahead. The closer to reality we are, the less we realize we have to fear.

  37. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 3:32 pm #

    Please watch the Frontline documentary entitled “Two American Families”. It’s too bad that they’re using race to distract poor Americans.


  38. RB July 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Jim has come to a conclusion that most white people already know. Goodness knows he must have hated writing this as much as some here have hated him for putting it into words.

    Blacks however know something of history and like it or not, history means something to people. If I were black, I’d quite likely hate your white guts myself.

    The worst part is there is never going to be anything better in the world of race relations.

  39. othello July 15, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

    Janos Skorzeny said “Likewise, in inter-racial mating, the male is usually Black” If one looks at all the blacks with some degree of white parentage in the Americas, it would be helpful to remember that as James Balwin said “My grandma didn’t rape anyone”

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

      Good point, but the tables have turned. Now Whites are the ones being raped. Or is tit for tat the only morality you believe in?

  40. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    It’s tragic that they’re using race baiting to divide and rule over the people. Tragic….

    As Jesse Jackson once said: “When they turn out the factory lights it doesn’t matter what color you are.”

    It’s so tragic that some black “leaders”, like Sharpton, feather their own nest by race-baiting and standing up for Obama and doing nothing to better black people economically. Corrupt…..

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  41. Nastarana July 15, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler,

    This weeks’ column was not worthy of you.

    “What we learned” was that the fix was in. Nothing must be allowed to interfere with the “right”, I use the term advisedly, of wealthy, or even wannabe wealthy, gated enclosure residents to keep anyone they don’t like out of “their” space. Any and all means, up to and including the use of lethal force, are acceptable in defense of the privileges, conveniences, and comfort of enclosed residents. BTW. a professional security man would have known who was staying in the community.

    Frances Fox Piven, the great sociologist, tried to bring up gated enclosures in a discussion on Sat. morning MSNBC, but the multicultural babe moderator would have none of it, and cut Piven off short.

    “Opting out had consequences” I guess that does explain the prevalence of anti social behavior and high crime rates among people like the Amish, the immigrants in Chinatowns across the continent and other ethnic enclaves.

    “Handwringing” over the N-word, is it? Does that mean, Mr. Kunstler, that it is now OK to use the H-word? How about H-town?

    “Common culture” ???? I seem to remember we had one of those once, only it was too dull, too unsophisticated, too provincial, too lacking in style or pizzaz for urbanite progressives, who were at the forefront of the demands for multiculturalism. Seems to me some mea culpas are in order before some folks start opining about lack of common culture now.

    Speaking of issues overlooked, perhaps you, Mr. Kunstler, could be so kind as to explain why the @#%* I should care about who is the president of Syria. Oh, BTW, sorry, I need a better reason than it would be in the interest of Israel to remove Assad. And, on that subject, why I am jest thrilled about how our CIA is working with cannibalistic terrorists to take out Mr. Assad, for no good reason. Said terrorists no doubt having been promised resettlement right here in the USA, along with their bossy, disdainful wives and cheating schoolkids, and you think I am supposed to be shocked and frightened because a Black kid fought back when pursued by an armed moron paramilitary wannabe?

    • Trean July 15, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

      I have to ask how you manage to warp your reality so badly that you conclude that it in israel interest to remove Assad. As brutal a dictator as he his and despite his support for Hiz, Assad is quite rational and atrached to his self preservation. The AQ loons on the other hand are quite unhinged an will not miss an oppertunity to strike at their ancient bogeyman.
      Why anyone is concerned about assad at all beggers belief. When he trained, equiped and armed the north sudanese militias thst murdered over a quarter of a million christians whilst no one batted an eyelid. Why should anyone have any interest in his demise.

  42. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

    It does strike me as fascinating that it appears that a large segment of the US population seems fixated upon the narrative that this was a case of a black “child” out buying Skittles and a tea who was ruthlessly stalked and then gunned down by a white racist, while ignoring the fact that the 6 foot “child” at the time of the shooting was beating the shooter’s head into the pavement.

    Terribly irrational and delusional.

    It doesn’t bode well as a background to economic Collapse.

  43. RB July 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    Some of the quite negative responses to Mr. K simply go to show that a reasonable discussion among people who consider themselves reasonable is impossible. This is what passes for public discourse today. Doomed indeed.

  44. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    Dmitry Orlov is my hero. An ethnic-Russian version of the character, “Or” in the book “Catch-22”. In contrast, I may be a bit like Yossarian, always willing to settle for the Italian “Maid in the Lime Green Panties”.

    If Orlov encountered the race riots, he’d just pull up anchor and sail away.

    • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 2:28 am #

      “The maid in the lime-color panties… She had a plain broad face and was the most virtuous woman alive: she laid for EVERYBODY, regardless of race, creed, color or place of national origin, donating herself sociably as an act of hospitality, procrastinating not even for the moment it might take to discard the cloth or broom or dust mop she was clutching at the time she was grabbed.” – Joseph Heller, Catch-22

      So, you’d settle for a saint. Is that what you are saying? She never says no. A goddess, you should be honoured!

  45. Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm #

    The USA has never had a “common culture”, with the possible exception of the earliest days of the Pilgrims and Puritans. The minute slavery was added to the mix a nation of multiple cultures was created. String it out for three centuries, plus another century of official apartheid policy in a large section of the nation and you have the long-term foundation of separate cultures. And of course there are the scores of widely varying immigrant groups who’ve come to America (by choice) all along, and hold onto pieces of their ancestral cultures. Chinatown, anyone? Little Italy? Koreatown? How about Mormons and the Amish?

    It’s absurd to believe that some kind of Father Knows Best and Beaver Cleaver fantasies of nostalgic white ever existed; it didn’t, and never will. Those fantasies merely ignore the very existence of anyone but Ward, June, Wally, Lumpy, and the Beav.

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

      True. But after a long struggle, Whites were able to attain a common culture by the 1950’s – and that the Elite could not stand. So they opened the borders using Kennedy as their front man. Diversity means our Weakness and their Strength. And of course the lust for cheap labor played no small part of the Economic or “Republican” side either.

      • Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

        And after a long struggle, blacks were still officially partitioned by Jim Crow in a large portion of the nation by the 1950s and into the 60’s, and were de facto segregated in the rest of the nation. Desegregation had to occur by force, and many whites are still unhappy that it happened at all and would love to see it reinstated, Why should blacks adopt the supposed “common culture” that you purport whites “attained” by the 50s (a debatable assertion in its own right)? Why should they feel welcome in a nation that officially treated them as less than human for 400 years? Maybe one day they will feel fully welcome, but that’s not going to change in the span of a few decades following legislative pen strokes. Given the long history of being treated like shit in a hypocritical nation that trumpets “LIBERTY!” as its primary PR mantra, I can’t say I blame blacks one bit for wanting to have some identifiable and distinct culture of their own.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

          I agree. Blacks don’t really fit in America and never will. They don’t want to for one thing. Often the ones most able have the least desire to. But they want the benefits that accrue from being Americans. So it’s a no win situation that should end. Since it’s too late to repatriate Blacks to Africa, they should be set up with their own Nation in the deep South. The status quo is not viable so let no one say we should just continue as we have been.

          • Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

            Wow. People like you don’t fit in, either. Maybe you should repatriate yourself to eastern Europe if you want a “common culture”. I’m sure the white people of the deep South would be really enthusiastic about your plan for having the descendants of slaves take political control of the region. Actually, it would be a kind of poetic justice.

      • Oakgeo July 15, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

        And… the “common culture” you claim was attained by whites by the 1950s was, if it ever did exist at all, immediately rejected by the Baby Boom generation when they came of age. Apparently it didn’t have much staying power.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 5:52 pm #

      Did you see the sequel? Larry Mondello ended up joining the Vishnus. He said it was great and they were going to fix him up with a wife. He invited Beaver to join too.

  46. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    The Zimmerman case is just a straight-up application of the facts to the law. If Martin was pounding Zimmerman’s head into the pavement at the time of the shooting, then Zimmerman has a legal defense, and he is not guilty.

    It’s fascinating that so many Americans recognize this fact, and, therefore, simply exclude it from their narrative of the case in order to reach the conclusion that they prefer. Very strange…..Very irrational….Scary….

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

      They are the Zombies, the walking dead. Eddie doesn’t even believe FEMA camps exist. Another guy doesn’t believe in Black Helicopters or thinks they are U.N.

      People on the Conspiratorial Right didn’t always have all the details worked out, but they were right in the main – as current events show. Sadly the Left is becoming ever more hide bound and incapable of plain sight.

      Legal reasoning is different than the slam dunk style black/white, good/evil type thinking they prefer.

    • McMike July 15, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

      No. It depends on when the gun came out, and on what Zimmerman said and did when HE APPROACHED the person that he stalked, confronted, and then killed.

      It is very reasonable to portray Zimmerman as the INITIAL aggressor here, which the facts fully bear out. He was armed and the other was not. He chose to disobey an authority, leave the safety of his car, track down and confront another person, then shoot him. It is perfectly reasonable to imagine that Zimmerman was aggressive and threatening. He may well have flashed his gun or bragged that he was armed.

      The head-pounding of the armed and aggressive Zimmerman could easily be argued to be been the legitimate self-defense by the victim, who reasonably feared for his life from this aggressive armed stranger who confronted him on the street.

      • McMike July 15, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

        I should add that I am willing to concede that the prosecution clearly bungled the case, which make acquittal the correct constitutional outcome.

        That does not mean, however, that justice was done for the parties involved.

        A guilty man walks free because the state failed at its job. I can accept that on constitutional terms.

        But it was not justice. It means we need to fix whatever is broken in the DAs office.

        And we need to fix whatever is broken in the twisted southern right wing mind that cheers when people they don’t like get gunned down.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

        There is no proof that he was brandishing his gun. And the wound indicates very close range – that agrees with the story as Zimmerman told it: he pulled his gun once Trayvon was reaching for it. The canny Zimmerman trapped his hand, thus saving his own life.

        • McMike July 15, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

          There’s also no proof he didn’t pull his gun.

          You would have us believe that Zimmerman approached a menacing troublemaker who is SIX FEET TALL, and clearly up to no good, and yet he decided not to mention he had a gun, and just struck up a chat, at which Martin flew into a rage and assaulted Zimmerman for no reason?

          What then pray tell, gave Martin the idea to reach for the gun, if Zimmerman had not indicated its existence?

          You live in a self-fulfilling myopic fantasy world.

      • Casualty09 July 16, 2013 at 10:03 am #

        McMike wrote:

        “The head-pounding of the armed and aggressive Zimmerman could easily be argued to be been the legitimate self-defense by the victim, who reasonably feared for his life from this aggressive armed stranger who confronted him on the street.”

        Exactly. While there were witnesses who saw and/or heard the altercation (from some distance, I should note, and in the dark and rain), the only side of the story we’ve heard regarding the initial confrontation is Zimmerman’s – a guy who just shot someone and thus had every reason to lie about what just happened. For all we know, Zimmerman left the car with his gun drawn, or, after leaving his car and creeping around looking for Martin and seeing nothing, pulled the gun out of fear. Perhaps it was only then that Martin, afraid for his life after seeing someone who had been following him get out of his car and pull a gun, made the decision to jump the older, fatter and slower Zimmerman rather than take a chance at running away and being shot in the back (Stand Your Ground!). Perhaps he thought he could get to the gun before Zimmerman had a chance to use it on him. Under those entirely plausible circumstances – i.e., a guy’s walking around, minding his own business when someone following him in a car gets out of the car and pulls a gun – Martin is the one acting in self-defense.

        But race clouds our judgment and perceptions. Young black men don’t act in self-defense, after all; they’re the aggressors, the hoodlums, and thugs. . . . Older white guys don’t act as aggressors; they’re the law enforcers, the neighborhood watchers – the good guys. And so the cops didn’t arrest Zimmerman. But if the races had been reversed, and the cops arrived on a scene with a black guy holding a gun and a white guy dead on the ground, I’m 99% certain that the cops would’ve cuffed him immediately, likely suspecting an assault or a robbery-gone-bad. Such is the power of racially-based prejudices/assumptions, and to narrow the focus of this case to the scuffle is to diminish the role that race played in the entire interaction between Zimmerman & Martin.

        I am not surprised that Zimmerman was acquitted. After all, the only other witness who could’ve shed light on the entire interaction between them is dead. The lesson here may very well be “shoot to kill” so that your side of the story is the only one that’s heard.

    • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 2:33 am #

      Reaching conclusions to support our own narrative appears to be on the increase. I’m suspecting the dearth of genuine truth is causing people to grasp at anything they can to fill the empty void between the ears.

  47. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    The apparent absence of reason and that many people seem to be governed by pure emotion like animals suggests that the U.S. is headed for to..tal,,itari anism.

    • K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 2:43 am #

      We’ve actually already arrived at the destination too terrible to spell correctly but that’s still a secret. Keep it to yourself. Don’t tell anyone!

      Don’t peek behind the curtain.

  48. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

    JS said: “Legal reasoning is different than the slam dunk style black/white, good/evil type thinking they prefer.”

    So you’re saying that the mob can’t think?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

      Of course. As Hitler said, the mob is a woman. Thus Democracy per se is disproved as a valid system. Of course any system desires the consent of the governed. And Republics should allow the qualified to vote for representatives – but not fundamentals such as the Bill of Rights.

  49. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    Please watch the Frontline documentary entitled “Two American Families”. The 2 American families portrayed in the documentary seem like deer confused by the headlights of the on-coming economic truck about to run them over. They don’t know what to do so they go to church and pray. The Neumanns in retrospect would have survived and prospered if in the early 1990’s they had sold their house and moved to Australia and the husband had become certified in Australia as a tradesman.


    • RB July 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm #

      I wish I had moved my family to Australia when the opportunity was there. As it is now, I am urging one of my children who has the requisite skills to emigrate to Australia or New Zealand and start anew. Not easy, but doable for him. No where to run to for most of us.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 15, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

        They hate Whites too and are filling Australia with Chinese and Muslims. We need our own Nation.

      • janet July 15, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

        No where to run to for most of us.

        There are many places in the world with better quality of life than the USA. All you have to do is look.


        It is not too late to get out. Other countries even have cheese doodles, if you want them.

        Ecuador is the top spot for North American retirees, according to InternationalLiving.com’s newly-released Annual Global Retirement Index 2013.

        This is Ecuador’s fifth consecutive year at the top of the heap. Spanish is not that hard to learn and life is good in Ecuador.

        • RB July 15, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

          I won’t debate it but I’m past the age of having enough get up and go to go. I am aware of many missionaries to Latin America over the years and everyone of them comes back to the US for medical care of any significance. They all speak the language of their respective countries with native ability. Neither do I want to have to learn another language. For some though, emigration is a good thing to consider.

      • anti dod July 15, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

        Australia will take non Whites [see Immigration Act of 1974, repeal of Whites Only]. Au wants under 35 year olds.

  50. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

    McMike said: “No. It depends on when the gun came out, and on what Zimmerman said and did when HE APPROACHED the person that he stalked, confronted, and then killed.”

    So you’re saying that Martin was acting in self-defense by beating Zimmerman’s head into the pavement in response to some kind of deadly assault by Zimmerman?

    Was there any proof of this presented during the trial?

    If not, then you may be changing the facts to re-create a story and conclusion that may be more emotionally appealing to you?

    One would think that if someone was confronted by a person with a gun that he/she would recoil in fear. In extreme cases, if he/she were armed, then he/she might shoot the assailant. If he/she was not armed and was rather reckless then he/she might try to disarm the assailant. However, it would not seem foreseeable nor reasonable for such unarmed person to attempt to beat the other person’s head into the pavement while knowing that the person whose head they are smashing is in possession of a firearm.

    It doesn’t make any sense.

    A more rational interpretation of events would probably be that Zimmerman confronted Martin without showing his gun, and that Martin thinking Zimmerman unarmed, then attempted to smash Zimmerman’s head on the pavement.

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  51. earltwitty July 15, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    Was Martin beating his head into the pavement with those insignificant injuries the medical examiner told us about without seeing a gun or Zimmerman pulling out a gun? I doubt it. The involuntary manslaughter/ reckless manslaughter law is rather complicated and I’m sure didn’t help in the decision by the jury.

    • Xenos July 16, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

      Poor Zimm. Fighting for his life before resorting, sadly, to using his piece.

      Just looking at his hands after he fought for his life, why, it looks like they have gone through hell. Or a manicure, or something.


      lesson: stupid people will believe anything, in spite of the evidence before their very eyes.

  52. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    earltwitty said: “Was Martin beating his head into the pavement with those insignificant injuries the medical examiner told us about without seeing a gun or Zimmerman pulling out a gun? I doubt it.”

    Was there any evidence introduced during the trial that suggested that Martin was acting in self-defense by smashing Zimmerman’s head into the pavement?

    If not, then you may be attempting to re-create the story to suit your emotional needs. This is highly irrational and dangerous. The jury has to go with the facts as established during the trial.

    I suppose that reasonable people can differ as to whether having one’s head knocked against concrete is dangerous or not? Some people might experience significant injury or death, others perhaps not?

  53. earltwitty July 15, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

    Well evidence was introduced that the injuries were insignificant. Bottom line is Zimmerman didn’t follow protocol for a watchman, killed someone and is free to go. There are more important stories as Kunstler suggests like this one which blew my mind!!


  54. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    earltwitty said: “Bottom line is Zimmerman didn’t follow protocol for a watchman,”

    I think that there was evidence that suggested that Zimmerman pursued Martin contrary to the police instruction. I don’t know if there is a “protocol” for a neighborhood watchman, although it’s probably a good idea for such neighborhood watchman organizations to establish relevant guidelines.

    I’m not sure this overcomes Zimmerman’s defense that Martin was beating Zimmerman’s head against the concrete, particularly as the situation suggests that Martin was not aware that Zimmerman had a gun since most ordinary reasonable people would not consider it prudent to smash a person’s head against the ground knowing that such person is armed.

    It looks like Zimmerman f..cked up by pursuing Martin, and that Martin, in turn, f..cked up by beating up Zimmerman. In any case, the jury’s decision appears to be correct. Bad luck all around….

    • pood July 16, 2013 at 7:29 pm #

      I found the whole scenario implausible, as offered by the Zimmerman defense. He should never have exited his car, as even a juror has noted. But if indeed Martin was beating his head upon the pavement, there would be other wounds that those we have seen in the photos. Neck, ears, shoulders, face… what was Martin holding when he was bashing Zimmerman’s head on the ground. It’s implausible, even if Zimmerman was unconscious. Were there any self-defense wounds offered as evidence?

      Conscious? I am sure you would not allow me get a hold of your head in anything but a headlock if we were to tussle. No matter how “soft” Zimmerman was, per his trainer, we all know innately to protect ourselves, as Zimmerman purports to not have done. And if he was so soft, why was he out tussling with a strapping 6′ youth?

      This said, and apropos to the post, the difference between today and status quo ante-shooting is that everyone can see that a white person can be acquitted on sketchy evidence for murder, especially if there are no other eyewitnesses. It’s codified now– we can’t further pretend that this sort of violence is not without precedent and it is hencefoth, alas, legal.

  55. aaron_espro July 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    I am confused about JHK comments on blacks. It almost sounds like he is blaming the victims. JHK usually seems intelligent enough to provide possible solutions to very large and pervasive problems in our society, so I am at a loss why he doesn’t mention that this is not so much a problem of race, but just deeply ingrained lack of opportunities for poor people. I am sure that the types of unemployment, incarceration and dependence on food aid and medicare are similar for income groups, regardless of race. To help these people I believe we need a fundamental intervention in their communities, education, health, nutrition, and pre-natal care to create the fundamental changes in they need in their lifestyle . Raising minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour. Free medical care. Better vocational training. For example, in my state of Texas, there is easily enough work to create at least 60,000 more social worker positions that could help implement these changes, and there are extensive studies that show that investing in poor people has huge returns to our society in the future; we don’t even need to go as far as ethical or moral reasons to help poor people, whether they are white, Latino or black.

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    • jimP July 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

      We have been investing in poor people, poor communities and creating gov. Jobs for decades with little results to show for it.

      Unfortunately, like problems in the middle east no amount of funding will ever cure the problem. The hatred is ingrained to deeply in the fundamental makeup of these groups. Until individuals step up to the plate and realize how they are judged has nothing to do with race or religion but more to do with how they act, they will continue to be seen in this light.

      Anyone truly wanting to make this country or world a better place needs to understand the job begins with them and then extends around them

      I know the world is a tough place but basic human concern for yourself, family, friends and community is a good starting place.

      • aaron_espro July 15, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

        It’s not enough. Raise the minimum wage to 17 dollars an hour for full time over 20 year olds, make health care free, and then those people will be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Sounds better to me than, as JHK says, your “retreat into platitudes and sentimentality”.

        • benr July 17, 2013 at 10:14 am #

          Raising the minimum wage does nothing but drive up the cost of everything for everyone else and thus shrinks our buying power since the minimum wage increase never trickles up to everyone else.
          Gas in California 4 dollars a gallon on average.
          Happy meal approaching 8 dollars,
          Decent gallon of milk not laced with a toxic slurry is over 6 dollars.
          Keep raising the minimum wage so the rest of us can live in poverty as well.
          Will the war on the middle class ever end?

      • Xenos July 17, 2013 at 12:32 am #

        “We have been investing in poor people, poor communities and creating gov. Jobs for decades with little results to show for it.”

        Needs citation. What sort of standard are you using to declare that a significant amount of investment has taken place, what sort of standards are you using to conclude that there have been ‘little results’?

  56. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

    One side seems to be arguing that “But for Zimmerman’s refusal to stand down at the instruction of the police, then Martin would still be alive.”

    A more accurate description of the facts would be: “But for Zimmerman’s refusing to stand down at the instruction of the police, and, but for Martin’s knocking Zimmerman’s head against the concrete, then Martin would still be alive.” Right?

    My personal theory (and I have no evidence to support this) is that the trial is just an excuse for poor American working people to vent their frustration with lack of jobs and the general economic, social and spiritual degradation of American society would is a reflection not of racial discrimination, but rather a result of class warfare in which the working class has largely lost.

    The ruling class is probably laughing their asses off that the 99% of American’s anger is now directed against each other rather than the ruling ownership class. Same old shit….

    • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 12:56 am #

      Unfortunately, Pucker, our white American working class has increasingly adopted ghetto music, ghetto fashion, ghetto ways of speaking, and a ghetto work ethic and attitude about performance and acheivement.

      There are no moral winners in this class warfare. Both sides are narcissistic and verging on sociopathic.


  57. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

    I emigrated from the U.S. to Australia several years ago just before the cut off age of 45 years old. Given the apparent to,,tal i,,tarian direction of the U.S. sur,,ve illance state, I don’t regret it.

    Australia has tightened up the immigration requirements considerably, but I think that it’s still possible if one is young enough and one trains for an occupation on the relevant Australian Department of Immigration and Citizenship In Demand Occupations List. Since they generally only recognize Australian qualifications, you’d probably have to go to Australia as a student to study at a technical school (in Australian called a “TAFE”) to get qualified and then apply for a job and an immigrant visa. Education in Australia as compared to the U.S. is reasonably priced.

  58. janet July 15, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    Eleuthero said New Mexico’s drought may be the new normal. Or maybe not according to today’s and tomorrow’s New Mexico weather forecast:

    “The Flash Flood Watch is now in effect:

    * From 1 am CDT /midnight MDT/ Tuesday through Wednesday evening

    * rainfall amounts of up to 2 to 4 inches will be possible…
    along with rainfall rates of up to 1 inch per hour.

    * Major street flooding will be possible mainly in urban areas
    where drainage is poor… such as Highway underpasses. Areas of
    standing water greater than 3 feet deep or running water
    greater than 1 feet deep may cause cars to stall or get washed
    into drainage ditches.

    • Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 12:01 am #

      One can hardly blame Janet from abandoning his/her former (allegedly black) Asoka persona and avoiding this week’s blog subject matter (to talk about neat places in Australia and rainfall in New Mexico) when cringe-worthy star witnesses like Rachel Jeantel get their 15 minutes of fame in life on national TV.

      I first became aware of this character’s existence when I read that she said “I can’t read cursive.” (Will somebody please take that North Miami School Administration outside against a wall and shoot them, for Christ’s sake!?!)

      The article, unquestionably written by a liberal, put lipstick on a pig when it described her as “multi-lingual” and “multi-cultural.” Laughably, her three languages are listed as English, Spanish, and Haitian Creole.” This is all about labeling as in drunks are now substance abusers, fags are gay, and disgustingly fat slobs are obese and obesity is a “disease.”

      I know it is irrelevant, even though I said recently that NOTHING is irrelevant, and it is certainly mean-spirited of me to note that Rachel Jeantel may perhaps have genetic code identical to the yet undiscovered “missing link” sought by scientists for centuries. My god, look at the picture of this girl in the witness chair!! The prosecution team was wise not to allow her to peel and eat a banana in view of court cameras.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

        Her face is the stuff of nightmares – a cross between a frog and a gorilla. One can only imagine her body. Indeed, she is a complete whole: ugly inside and out.

        • Xenos July 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

          Your soul is the stuff of nightmares.

          This is your hobby – going on public fora and denouncing children as ugly and disgusting? Obviously you are quite an expert on the subject.

          • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 5:22 pm #

            A child? 17 year old men won WW2 for us against Racists like Hitler. You are very ignorant and probably a racist rooting for the genocide of Whites in South Africa.

          • Xenos July 17, 2013 at 12:36 am #

            Have to reply to myself, as thread system will not let me reply to Janos.

            Nice non-sequitor. Obviously you have no response to what I said, so this is clearly an admission that you are a racist. Your only response seems to be that I am a bigger racist because you think I hate white South Africans. I can’t imagine your thinking process that took you there.

  59. janet July 15, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    Pucker said: “I emigrated from the U.S. to Australia several years ago…”

    Good move, Pucker!

    Have you been to my favorite place in NSW, Byron Bay? Beautiful country.

  60. outsider July 15, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    I did not follow the minutiae of the TM/GZ tragedy, nor did I want to. However, I’ve heard TM called a ‘thug’ and a ‘pinhead’ on these pages. How on earth do the posters know these things? On a larger level, let’s look a the plight of millions of young men and boys, Caucasian and those of color. Good jobs are just not there in a highly technical, computerized corporate world that does not need them. Factory floors, which used to employ millions from the working class. are now largely empty and run by robots. Many are lucky to get low paid part-time jobs at Walmart. Hell, women no longer even need men to get pregnant – just sperm donors. Why get married? Such a situation is a recipe for rebellion. Is there an answer? Probably not until after the great unraveling that JHK (in much better books and blogs than this one) has long predicted. Just a matter of time.

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    • Karah July 16, 2013 at 9:45 am #

      Must we keep beating this topic into the ground.
      The behavior of T. Martin is thuggish therefore labelling him and anyone else who acts like him, armed or otherwise, a thug.
      It is sad parents do not teach their children how to act in our society however unfair it seems to be. Do not want to get shot or thrown in jail? Do what you are asked to do by anyone who asks it from you. Is that so hard? Parents have given up asking their kids to make better choices and encourage rebellious stereotypes. Zimermans dad is/was a judge and knows how to obtain ligit authority and taught his son how the world works, what side to be on in any confrontation. Zimmerman was present in a quazi official role of protector – protect people from themselves! T. Martin had no good reason to be there and its been suggested he may have been selling pot and not just gettin a sugar fix. Fact: people turn into dangerous animals.

      • Xenos July 16, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

        Stranger danger!

        Are you aware that we teach our children to be actively fearful of, and, if necessary, aggressive to, strangers who stalk them? Are you aware that under Florida law it would have been illegal for Martin to carry a gun to protect himself? Are you aware that it was Zimmerman, not Martin, who had assaulted a cop, who had flunked out of school, and credibly accused of rape and incest?

        People do turn into dangerous animals. Your moral constitution, like that of Zimmerman, is somewhat less than that of a feral dog.

  61. progress4what July 15, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    You are catching a lot of flack for taking a look at “race” this week. Predictably, most of the real vitriol seems to be coming from left-leaning commenters – who seem to find their view of American Society, challenged by the Zimmerman verdict.

    Here’s my favorite part of this week’s opus, JHK:
    “The economic challenges of the long emergency, with its desperate competition for the common resources of daily life — money, food, fuel — are liable to provoke new layers of desperate behavior, and new layers of opposition, antagonism, misunderstanding, tragedy, and failure.”

    Yep, people – this is quite logical and quite well-stated.
    And it’s why JHK is well within his rights to give his opinion about how future Zimmerman/Martin conflict analogs – may play out.

  62. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    Janet asked: “Have you been to my favorite place in NSW, Byron Bay? ”

    As a matter of fact, I have. Queensland and NSW have a long beautiful coastline. I’ve heard stories about a possible Hippie community living in the area, but I’m not sure. I heard something about their famous “cupcakes”.

    I’m currently living in Asia for work, but I also have an Australian passport.

    There was another reality TV cooking show on the other night in which Chinese people were decorating Western-style “cup cakes”. At the time, I thought about the Byron Bay “Cup Cakes”, and what it would be like to serve ’em up to the Chinese. (By the way, I’ve never actually tasted a Byron Bay “Cup Cake”.)

  63. Q. Shtik July 15, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    It doesn’t help that we stopped even pretending that something called common culture matters or even exists. – JHK

    In like vein from a recent blog at Fred on Everything:
    “So the Supreme Court ended segregation. It made sense. There followed racial hostility and endless problems as the races proved immiscible.”

    Random House Dictionary


    incapable of being mixed

    THIS is America’s race problem in a nutshell.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

      Have I not been saying this for years? Yet when I dare to ask what then shall we do about it – people are amazed and outraged, even ones who accept the premise. When Fred is saying is that the status quo is not viable. So a rational person will think about alternatives.

      Prog always stolidly says that no action will ever be taken. Probably, but in that case, events will do what we lacked the courage to do. Perhaps after large scale tragedy, we will finally do what must needs be done. As one of the founders of Zionism said, if you think Israel is a joke, then it is. If you think it can exist, then it can and will. It’s all a matter of human intentionality – and of course we’ve lost that. We’re much like trash being blown around on the street at this point.

  64. progress4what July 15, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    Being There, and several others –

    You all are expressing an idea that has been a common, though inaccurate, meme in the MSM and in the blogosphere – that being that Zimmerman was “ordered” to go back to his truck by a police dispatcher.

    First, dispatchers are not sworn law enforcement personnel – therefore they do not and cannot give “orders” to civilians over the telephone. They give suggestions – sometimes reading from a prewritten script, and sometimes ad libbing.

    Has anyone asked whether the dispatcher saying, “We don’t need you to do that,” was part of the standard protocol of instructions /suggestions used by Sanford PD dispatchers?

    The answer to this question would not have impacted the verdict.
    But it COULD have impacted the narrative being spun by Jackson, Sharpton, and the rest of the Black Grievance Coalition – a narrative that still insists that Zimmerman is a murderer because he did not follow “orders” from the police.

    Maybe I just answered my own question?

    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 7:02 am #

      Actually, You’re not working with the facts. The first day after TM was killed they said that was discussed that the dispatcher told GZ to stay in his car. Absolutely and here’s no way you can change that fact. Keep on trying cuz I was paying attention to that. Maybe Fox news is telling ya that. They never lie….

      AND you’re putting words in my mouth I never said. I said the murder charge got murky because of the fight.

      I said GZ should have been charged with vigilantism but the ALEC/Gun lobbyist Stand your ground law protected GZ from that. Jeb Bush who was instrumental in passing the law made a statement that the law should be scrapped or revamped.

      The cop who came on the scene said he wanted to arrest GZ, but was told not to.


      Because of the politics of the corporatists who run this country. They railroad laws through and make sure that nothing can challenge them. This case could have been the one…..

      A tragedy on the level of Shakespeare took place and a life was lost. It’s about projection and a total lack of communication–a dynamic set in motion by an idiot with his own history of violence.

      He was hell-bent not to let this kid go, because of other robberies that took place in that community. Someone has to pay, why not the kid he thought had no business in that community.

      And speaking of projection…This blog is the perfect example of projection and of people that think they have to protect their gun rights and their precious hatred of some other group they can look down at. You people just can’t think of this without adding your own societal bugaboos as the spice that drives this discussion into the ground. You can’t seriously pepper this story by adding all the facts you know about the kid after the fact. GZ knew nothing about him and had no idea he was staying with his father.

      We shouldn’t diminish the value of anyone’s life. Lest you diminish your own life.

      Here’ the problem with the state of mind of GZ. GZ made 64 calls into the police in that recent time and he projected onto this kid walking home in the rain that he was just another black dude who didn’t belong there.

      Au Contraire. He was staying with his dad and wanted to go home to watch a basketball game. He was on the phone with his friend who told him that the creepy ass cracker might be a rapist.

      The real story behind this is the gun lobby/Alec bill to “stand your ground”, but notice that in the same jurisdiction a black woman shot a gun into the ceiling to stop her husband who had a long trail of violence against numerous women in his life. Guess what, folks, when a black person uses the stand your ground law she gets 20 years!

      Isn’t that special! Ya gotta love justice in this country!

      Oh, and btw when JHK says the rest of the world ain’t watching and they’ve got other issues to deal with…TM’s family have been getting letters for all over the world.

      And PC–You answered the question the way you want to answered.

      • pattyla July 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

        So disappointed by Kunstler’s comments this week. I always thought he was a smart and sensitive writer but it turns out he’s just another reactionary white man. Maybe he should turn his attentions away from peak oil and turn them onto the justice system in this country. He doesn’t seem to have a clue as to how it works, and for whom.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

        I’ve never seen you so passionate – as all the anarchists and communists are. Ozone’s head must be exploding. Freedom and White Culture scored a victory over Negro and Liberal Evil. And it burns you.

        Admit it: you didn’t even know (if you even do now) about the two witnesses who say Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. It wasn’t even deemed worth mentioning on CNN or MSNBC so why would you know?

      • outsider July 16, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

        @ Being There

        I couldn’t stop myself, like an addict, from viewing this site yet again today. Your comment is one of the most cogent that I’ve read on the subject. Well said. I’ve read several blogs/articles that made the case that the prosecution should not have gone for murder 2 and just tried for manslaughter. If they had done that from the beginning the case would have been tried differently and may have increased the chance of conviction. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. In any case, looks like the many demonstrations occurring nationwide may go on for several days. Hope the violence does not spiral out of control like it did in the Rodney King/police brutality case. Lastly, Janos’ many racist rants are beyond contempt.

      • benr July 17, 2013 at 10:29 am #

        Shame Trayvon was thrown out of school for vandalism and in the search for his vandalism tools was found to have jewelry stolen from peoples lockers and a straight screw driver used to pry them open.
        What a shame he was walking close to peoples homes close enough to look in or as some allege stay out of the rain.
        Chances are he was in fact casing peoples homes for another baggy of dope.,

  65. Pucker July 15, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    I decided to move to Australia shortly after September 11th. At the time, I had just finished reading an excellent book entitled “Propaganda”. The September 11th attacks looked to me at the time as a deliberate act of “Agitation Propaganda” designed to incite the target population to act. (Shortly thereafter, the US invaded Iraq to get the oil.)

    The Zimmerman case could also be interpreted as an act of propaganda designed to incite blacks and whites.


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    • willr July 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

      That would make sense except for the reality that blacks and the poor in the US are routinely shuttled into jails for crimes for which whites are rarely, if ever prosecuted, namely drug possession. There are plenty of data to support this. Please check out Michelle Alexander’s The New Jim Crow.

      • benr July 17, 2013 at 10:34 am #

        Please no one is ever sent to jail for weed on a first offense and often not for another drug either. It’s the multiple offenses that send people to jail.

  66. janet July 15, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    The Zimmerman case could also be interpreted as an act of propaganda designed to incite blacks and whites.

    And a successful one from the looks of people choosing up sides on CFN!

    Zimmerman could still face federal charges, so some on CFN might be “jumping the gun” (that’s a metaphor, not a description of that night).


  67. janet July 16, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    Besides the possibility of a federal trial Zimmerman can still face a civil wrongful death suit from the Martin family in which Zimmerman could be forced to testify. In civil trials the standard of proof is much lower.

    In that sense, Zimmerman could end up in a situation similar to that faced by O.J. Simpson. Simpson also created doubt and thought he had beat the rap and could walk free. Zimmerman faces a double-whammy and is not out of the judicial woods yet, (if he doesn’t take flight and escape the USA).

  68. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 12:02 am #

    It would be a stretch to suggest that the Zimmerman shooting was itself propaganda orchestrated from a 3rd party above, but one could also argue that the MSM didn’t have to cover the Zimmerman case to the extent that it has.

    The Zimmerman trial certainly has had a strong emotional propaganda affect upon the people, and it has successfully divided poor working Americans by race. Tragic…..

  69. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 12:32 am #

    “I believe that this tragedy provides yet another opportunity for our nation to speak honestly about the complicated and emotionally charged issues that this case has raised,” [Attorney General Eric] Holder said. “We must not – as we have too often in the past – let this opportunity pass.”

    The MSM is going to whip the Zimmerman case for maximum propaganda emotional effect.

    [“Whip it! Whip it good!”]


  70. thewatchman July 16, 2013 at 12:42 am #

    Ok, consider that a “Kardashian” is a unit of media time equal to the persistence of a news story for one half a day mention on the home web page of CNN or Huffpost or similar mainstream media… So, in last 6 weeks we have seen the SCOTUS strikedown of a key part of the VRA last precisely ONE Kardashian. This is a weighty matter that will impact voting, democracy, race issues, African-Americans in particular, and all minorities henceforward. The VRA and its crippling by SCOTUS has the weight of rolling back A HALF CENTURY of racial progress in our democracy and elections…. And yet the pathetic implosion of a Southern corn-pone cracker professional homemaker and chef Paula Deen due to her rather typical and unsurprising racist beliefs for Old South whites of her generation (I lived in the south for 14 years and her views are regrettably pervasive among Southern whites over 55) has been milked for about 30 Kardashians over the last 20 days. The Zimmerman trial has been on one or another mainstream media front page EVERY DAY for a MONTH, earning two Kardashians for each day… If one looks at the evidence (and one has to delve deep for the evidence that has not been “selectively edited” by the media or the prosecutors to amp up the racialism), this is a case of simple self-defense. Zimmerman is not angel, but following any person in your neighborhood because there has been a crimewave and you are a blockwatch volunteer, is not a crime. Yes, the dispatcher advised him to not to follow Trayvon, but (edited out of reported versions) the dispatcher ALSO kept ASKING if Zimmerman COULD SEE where the person was going, so it is not the case that Zimmerman was told CRISPLY and decisively by dispatch to disengage entirely. If the person you are following responds to being followed by HIDING and then AMBUSHING you, and beats you up, dominates you, throws you down and proceeds to pummel you, break your face, and knock your skull into the pavement, then you can now reasonably conclude that i) yes INDEED this guy you were following is a g’dam predator and potential lifetaker, and ii) you can and should conclude that you ARE IN FEAR FOR YOUR FRIKKIN’ LIFE. Once things have gone that far, if, thanks be to god and the second amendment, you have a legally obtained and carried firearm on you, in Florida AND IN MOST STATES you would be within your rights to SHOOT AND KILL THE GUY. These are the FACTS that were attested to by WITNESSES, not just Zimmerman. Listen to the jurors now speaking out. The media and the prosecution tried to bury numerous bits of evidence about Trayvon Martin that show he was no angel. He owned a gun, smoked pot, affected the persona of a gangsta in his many selfies on social media sites, in short, wanted to posture as a badass. Bottom line is that neither of these two fraks was an angel. They are BOTH minorities and their lives were and are and likely will be forever judged PATHETIC. They are to be pitied. I have spent my political life as a democrat, working for better conditions for minorities. I voted BHO into office twice, worked on campaigning in swing states. THE MAIN POINT: the media has been throwing gasoline on the Paula Deen and Zimmerman matter almost as if they want the masses and minorities in particular to focus on these unfortunate marginal distractions rather than, lets see, MAIN EVENTS such as: the VRA strikedown; >400 ppm C02 and escalating climate weirdness; economic crisis, financial malfeasance, and yawning economic and social contradictions; the surveillance state; concentrated and unchecked executive powers; congressional corruption and clusterfrak… and many many issues meriting the Kardashians that have been devoted to Zimmerman and a myriad of other distractions. Obama has to open his mouth and venture to opine on this Zimmerman verdict, when an average of 15 African-Americans are shot to death each week in Chicago, by each brunch on Sunday. THAT is a tragedy worthy of an opinion, a bit of research, a bit of discussion. What is wrong with Chicago? Are the police just letting minorities kill one another there? Hmmm. Modern police methods in nearly every other city have been able to bring a swift stop to this kind of shenanigans. Why don’t they implement these basic new police techniques in Chi-town? Hmmm. No, instead the nation is fixated on wanting to publicly lynch a hispanic American with a Jewish sounding last name because he regrettably had to kill a young black guy in self defense. All of this is just the Circuses part of the Bread and Circuses… In Egypt we behold what happens when a country can’t afford the bread part so they are having wall-to-wall upheaval. Congress just voted to kill SNAP food support while KEEPING agribusiness subsidies, and this gets, yep, less than ONE Kardashian! Just please notice that NONE of the really critical issues to the US or the planet are attended to by the media for more than one or two Kardashians, while the distractions, the nip-slips, the faux moral and ethical issues are amped up as media candy. Sorry for the riff. Just sayin’. I have no solutions. Comments welcome.

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:08 am #

      Most of such measures will be seen as racist – and they will be in a sense since the gangsters are non White by and large. Stop and frisk has been immensely successful in New York but it sounds like it is being voted out now. Another good idea was banning kids from malls without a guardian. It saved a mall in downtown Detroit.

      In cities that aren’t as bad, like Boston, throwing a lot of money at the problem in the form of youth centers, counselors, after school programs, etc, did help when combined with a hard line tactics against the hardened gang leaders. Of course money is getting tight now and the street lights are going to be going off… Get out of the cities and away from Non-Whites if you want to live long and prosper.

      All good police profile. Not to do it is to fail at their job. The Red Cross profiles Gays as health risks and askes them not to donate blood. Profiling is planning without exact information. Everyone above a certain level of intelligence does it.

    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 7:59 am #

      Good one, thewatchman

      Oh, and guess who got millions in farm subsidies, our old friend Michele Bachman and David Letterman…..

      That’s right when inverted communism is executed, it’s all good, when those who need subsidies because Walmart won’t pay a living wage, why then of course how dare they want socialism!

      All the while they sent our industrial base to Marxist Lenninist China!

      Good move congress.

      a little note from Wage:

      The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) will be meeting in Chicago on August 7-9 at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel. ALEC connects corporate lobbyists with legislators behind closed doors to write “model legislation”. This Legislation is then put on the floor of state legislatures across the country, without indication that it is an ALEC model bill. Put simply, corporations are writing state laws. That type of concerted effort in favor of profit between business interests and the state is NOT acceptable. ALEC’s model bills include Right to Work (for less) laws, “Ag-gag” bills which brand environmental and animal rights activists “terrorists”, Arizona’s racial profiling law (SB1070), Wisconsin legislature’s attack on public-sector collective bargaining, and so many others.gust 7-9 at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel. That’s who writes state laws.

    • Neon Vincent July 16, 2013 at 9:28 am #

      A “Kardashian” as the name for the length of a news cycle–I like it. It’s right up there with the Friedman unit for the six months it would take for the Iraq War to turn around. We finally ran out of Friedman units.

      I can give another example of a story that’s earned too many Kardashian units–Twinkies. Well, after a year and a half, Twinkies have returned to store shelves. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that one of JHK’s favorite targets, Wal-Mart, got the first shipment. With that, Twinkies should disappear from the news. No more Kardashians for the Hostess snack cake!


  71. Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 12:47 am #

    JHK said:

    What the Zimmerman trial showed me was a nation stuck in tired narratives about its racial predicament, and confusion about what the predicament even is. It doesn’t help that we stopped even pretending that something called common culture matters or even exists. By common culture I mean shared values and behavioral norms. The “multiculturalism” offered in place of it — at least among so-called progressives — hasn’t worked out too well either. On one side of the street you have Slate podcasters foolishly wringing their hands over “the N-word” while over on the other side Kanye West is making millions shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.” We pretend to want to have a national conversation about race, but the truth is that it makes us too uncomfortable, so we retreat into platitudes and sentimentality.

    I’ve been saying this on CFN for YEARS but it’s useless.


  72. MikeMoskos July 16, 2013 at 12:48 am #

    I’m going to repost part of something I posted on Facebook the day of the Zimmerman verdict. I live in Miami. Often times, Trayvon’s uncle and I are the only members of the public at monthly government transit oversight meetings. (I didn’t know he was Trayvon’s uncle ’til I saw him interviewed briefly on the local sensationalist, trashy “news”.)

    Trayvon Rally tonight at Bayfront Park (Miami) at 6pm.

    We can expect that there will be calls for the same old things that have served dark skinned people poorly in the past. What they should be advocating for are automatic jury trials for any police officer who fires her/his weapon, purchases at dark skinned-owned businesses (not merely tipping the dark skinned waiter at the corporate spot better), huge privately funded micro loan programs, and most importantly, a secession of areas where the majority of citizens are dark skinned into their own municipalities so they can get away from the single use suburban style business that prevent the poor from starting their own businesses.

    • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 1:06 am #

      Mr. Moskos,

      Microfinance in Africa is an underreported failure. Rather than taking up a lot of space reprinting the article here, here is the URL:



    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:10 am #

      Obama has called for banks to start lending to unqualified minorities, forgetting that this helped bring down the economy. Or perhaps that’s what he wants.

  73. Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    I think this Trayvon Martin case argues FOR the right to bear arms. If there’s a doubt about whether someone is carrying you’re going to be one helluva lot more respectful when they approach. Trayvon Martin didn’t get to live to have an epiphany but his parents, peers, and ethnic group DO get to live on and have an epiphany about the dangers of being a punk-ass as a modus operandi for life.


  74. janet July 16, 2013 at 1:01 am #

    JHK said: “And these days that probably lacks the appeal of becoming a hip-hop star shouting “nigga, nigga, nigga.”

    “Hiphop doesn’t exist. Show it to me. And please don’t point to an album, your iTunes library, a microphone, a website etc. because we don’t call that Hiphop. We have names for those things. But what can be named can be identified, it has color, shape, and place in space in reference to another object. So where is the thing that we call Hiphop. Or is it a thing at all? Is it a feeling? An experience? If so what is the experience? What drives us to label things Hiphop or not Hiphop? What is the difference between the two?” — Ascience Gnown

  75. Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 1:12 am #

    From CNN on 5/23 about how terrific [sic] Trayvon was:

    “(CNN) — Items taken from Trayvon Martin’s cell phone — including a text-message discussion of drug use and pictures of a gun and marijuana plants — are among new details released Thursday by attorneys for the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing him without provocation 14 months ago.
    The evidence, George Zimmerman’s attorneys say, paints a different picture of the 17-year-old than the one portrayed by his family and supporters. Lead defense attorney Mark O’Mara says he will try to use the evidence if prosecutors attempt to attack Zimmerman’s character during his trial on second-degree murder charges, set to begin next month.
    Also Thursday, O’Mara filed motions in court. One asks for sanctions against the state for withholding evidence and for saying it didn’t have more evidence when asked. The second requests that his client’s trial be delayed.
    Much of the new evidence disclosed Thursday in filings by Zimmerman’s attorneys comes from Martin’s cell phone, including photos showing a semiautomatic pistol and ammunition and small marijuana plants growing in pots.
    Photos: Trayvon Martin evidence
    In other pictures, Martin is pictured making obscene gestures in an apparent self-portrait, as well pictures showing him with friends and in other settings.
    The text messages include a conversation from November 2011 in which he appears to say his mother has kicked him out of the house after “da police caught me outta skool.”
    “So you just turning into a lil hoodlum,” the person with whom he is texting says.
    “Naw, I’m a gangsta,” the text message read.
    In other messages, text message exchanges appear to be discussing guns.
    “U wanna share a .380 w/ (blacked out),” one text message sent from Martin’s phone reads.”


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    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 7:09 am #

      You are still adding info that doesn’t address the moment that GZ decided to go for the TM.

      All these issues you bring up have nothing to do with this case. In all cases there are inadmissible info about both parties.

      It’s because they are prejudicial and do not speak to the case in hand.

      I’ve been on jury duty where real time line issues were inadmissible to the jury because they would have created extreme prejudice outside the realm of the case. When we found the party guilty the judge came in to commend us and said we did the right thing because….

      But until the case was decided we were not to know about that. You can’t base a indictment on another incident. That’s why the court withheld the info.

      • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 4:13 pm #

        Trayvon Martin’s character was considered inadmissible evidence. However, I should think the question of why GZ decided to confront TM is as obvious as why there’s spring grass. GZ was a neighborhood watchman in a neighborhood that had experienced a lot of home invasions where the perps were almost entirely young black males. TM was not only a young black male but also one unknown to GZ. Why was he unknown to GZ? Because he was not a permanent resident of the neighborhood. He was staying there TEMPORARILY.

        Now, we don’t know the tone or tenor of GZ’s approach to TM but to suggest that he had zero reason to approach rather defies a reasonable carrying-out of his duties as a neighborhood watchman. What we absolutely DO know is that the world saw the photos of GZ’s face after the verbal confrontation i.e., blood rolling off his nose and lip with contusions on the back of his skull.

        The kangaroo court that is the black community that rioted in several cities indicted GZ for VAGUE insinutations about HIS character so why can’t I cite IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of TM’s character on a public blog? And I guarantee you, BT, that if GM had been convicted the white community, just as in the OJ Simpson case, would have done NOTHING because it is inherently more civilized.

        America is so utterly COWED by the demands of political correctness that no white person dares to utter a public word against a black person. I will not be cowed.


        • benr July 17, 2013 at 10:49 am #

          You can in fact cite information withheld from the public discussion because it is relevant and defiantly is damaging to tm’s character.
          The more that comes out about TM the more his motives for walking close to people homes is suspicious. Had he stayed on the sidewalk like a normal person he might have not even popped up on gz’s radar and would happily be smoking weed drinking lean and not going to school.
          Either way TM was heading down a very negative path in life piss poor education, vandal, thief and on drugs.
          Wait until the phone pictures he had becomes apart of public discussion.
          TM was a small glimpse at the problems of dealing with kids who’s parents appear to not be involved in their lives.
          I blame this kids issues on his parents for not being more involved. There is just to many distractions that can drag kids down and cause them make poor life decisions.

  76. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 2:22 am #

    This Zimmerman trial controversy is a tragic waste of time and energy.

    Yes, there’s racism in America. But Zimmerman’s innocence or guilt will not lessen the economic hardship of either White or Black Americans one iota.

    Poor Whites and poor Blacks suffer from the lack of decent paying jobs, which is a consequence not of race, but of the relative price of labor.

    The system teaches Blacks that their economic hardship is a consequence of racism, and it teaches Whites to be jealous of Affirmative Action.

    It’s strange that people will riot over the Zimmerman trial, but they will not riot for rule-of-law, good government, the Bill of Rights and jobs. They may deserve what they get.

    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 7:11 am #

      Finally a good conclusion, Pucker.

      When all is said and done, this case speaks to the unfinished issues of racism in a very divided country, yet none of that applies to this case in trial.

      • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

        You’re right, BT … “unfinished issues of racism” but I insist as does JHK that we consider racism UNIVERSAL to all ethnicities and not the sole province of white people. This is what I have been saying about race since I joined this blog and I’m the ONLY person who has said, as JHK did this week, that ALL ethnicities are bigoted.

        Until that central fact is addressed there will never be anything but a continuation of permanent, hidden, smoldering hatred of all for all. I have addressed it in the past but the only responses I have received are canned incantations of chapter and verse of the liberal Bible of hip but fraudulent solidarity with the “oppressed”.

        If they went to school and stopped raping, killing, and pillaging at rates 3X to 10X whites (depending on the crime) we white people wouldn’t have any problem with them at all. We elected a black President. Do you think that in a million years that a black majority would ever prefer a white candidate to a black one? If you believe that you are very naive. Obama got NINETY percent of the black vote. Knowing reverse racism as I do, I’m damned surprised he got 10%.


  77. Paraquat July 16, 2013 at 8:18 am #

    I’m in Taiwan and I can say that James is right about one thing – the rest of the world is mostly uninterested in Zimmerman vs Martin. I don’t even think the local press reported on it. Of course, English-speaking expats from the USA (most of whom watch Fox News on cable TV) can talk about almost nothing else right now.

  78. El Indio July 16, 2013 at 8:23 am #

    So the media and the people caught up in their emotional stake of the american media generated race narrative. People cuaghtup on procedures of police, whether Zimmerman had the wrong attitude, whether he was a raciss cracker and of course always forgetting facts and never ever putting a black on white murder, or beating or rape under any scrutiny.

    These people and they are here in force are the same people who never dare admit that 93% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks, nor that an estimated 11,000+ blacks have been killed by other blacks since Trayvon Martin was killed. Any marches or call for justice for the 11,000 black people killed by other black people? Of course not It simply doesn’t fit the script. And they must stick to the mental pablum fed by the TV anchors and the race hustlers.

    What about the education crisis of the millions of blacks in black schools with black teaches in cities with black mayors who will lead meaningless lives of tv, junk food and wefare dependency and crime vicitimization? Oh yes whites fault? As country becomes like california and Tex mostly latino that will be a little tired in 20 years? Latinos don’t owe blacks squat.

    Jim is correct–this whole state of affairs can only be had in a land populated by utter morons.

  79. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 8:38 am #

    Everyone talks about anti-black racism in the U.S., but I think that the last time that i heard a white person use the N-Word was about 25 years ago in high school.

    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 9:17 am #

      There are many ways to express racism while not using a word that calls attention to yourself.

      Smart people will tell you that limburger cheese with any other name would smell as rank.

      • El Indio July 16, 2013 at 11:04 am #

        Yes if you look up in the internet thingy you will find that per a national poll Blacks view Blacks as more racist than whites. Oh yes a fact that goes against your only whites (and white Hispanics) are capable of racism schtick……common some kumbaya…..What is up with the NBA and its racism in recruiting players?

  80. janet July 16, 2013 at 8:52 am #

    “Conservative pundits who predicted mass rioting would follow a Zimmerman “not guilty” verdict have demonstrated how out of touch they are with understanding the pulse of America. In what could be the worst forecast since Fox News’ political pundit Dick Morris confidently predicted a Romney landslide in 2012, right-wing blowhards who ginned up fears of post-verdict urban race riots, have once again shown they do not have a clue about how ordinary Americans think or act.

    Thirty-six hours after the verdict and still no American cities have burned to the ground. The Alex Jones, Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh followers must be so disappointed. Urban riots would have confirmed their paranoia about inherent black criminality, the very same paranoia that enabled George Zimmerman to stalk and kill Trayvon Martin. Riots would have given them a chance to indulge in their fantasies of fighting a race war and unrest would have given them an enhanced license to kill. They could have each become judge, jury and executioner in a Second Amendment dystopia where they could shoot at anything “darker than a paper bag” for sport. Once civil order broke down, they could invoke “Stand your Ground” or self-defense and kill with impunity, knowing full well their murderous intentions could be masked with cries of “self-defense” against black looters and rioters. The only problem was the riots never came.” —Keith Brekus

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    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 9:31 am #


      • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

        Fred agrees with me and says you have the IQ of a three year old.


        • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

          Thanks for that link, Janos. What I like about Fred is that he cannot be accused of being a racist (he rather likes the Hispanic cultures especially his main squeeze) and he really isn’t a conservative either. I’d call Fred, over the long haul, a conservative Democrat.

          I loved the line where he said that of course the incident was racial … Trayvon doesn’t like white people. Fred “gets it”. The liberals on this forum don’t have a clue.


          • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

            Having reread the Fred piece I can only say to the people here that you’re going to think that *I* am Fred!! I swear to God he says almost concept for concept everything I’ve been saying not only about race but about blacks on this board for years.

            Indeed, in a post just today in reply to Being There, I said that if blacks did stuff like, oh, I don’t know … graduate from school and stuff like that they might not be a permanent underclass. Fred says EXACTLY this and much more. This is one of Fred’s very best pieces.


    • El Indio July 16, 2013 at 11:19 am #

      Yes the events in Baltimore, LA and Oakland don’t count huh? CBS camera man attacked and protests planned in 100’s of cities. Too soon to dismiss the possibilities of violence don’t ya think?

      Your screed seems to be more about Mr. Brekus projection or fantasy of the fantasies of conservatives or what some right wing media windbags think–who cares? You want to see dystopias where people shoot anything darker than a paper bag go to Chicago or Baltimore.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

      So Black riots never happen? Remember the L.A riots just a few years ago? You think something like this can’t happen again? Why?

    • benr July 17, 2013 at 10:57 am #

      Oakland is having small riots as is Los Angeles not sure about the rest of your ill conceived post from the lunatic fringe left.

  81. El Indio July 16, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    On Zimmerman Obama Says: Jury has spoken. “Being There” please twist that around to make it racist or something.

    The left must be so disappointed.

  82. Hands4u July 16, 2013 at 11:18 am #

    “We pretend to want to have a national conversation about race, but the truth is that it makes us too uncomfortable,…”
    How do you get 260,000,000+ individuals to talk about their discomfort with differrences?
    Our differences define and help us to identify ourselves(Self).
    This would mean pointing out that each us are are biggoted and before we can deal with eachothers differences we would have to confront our own intrapersonal problems. And these are difficult in and of themselfs to resolve.
    We are raised to live in a culture that prides itself on “respecting” the individual and the “freedom(s)” that it supposedly brings.
    In this culture, individual perceptions are to be respected even if they happen to be incorrect or even wrong.
    As each person is encouraged to be rightcorrect (in their perspective) this can eventually lead to the thought that there are “no correct” answers and “no incorrect answers” just different perspectives.

    This leads to each person to having their own expectations;
    civility becomes confusion, leading to anxiety, defense of self/Identity, loss of commonality/community.
    But fortunately, (and hopefully) if we survive and Learn from this process (rather than just react) we can learn tolerance, commonality, community, and humanity.
    In the immortal words of Mr. Rodgers- “who are the people in your neighborhood?”

  83. goat1001 July 16, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Diversification is a law of nature. There is no point in bucking it. Someone once said, “Resistance is futile”. Every dam thing in the universe is unique. Diversity, including “racial diversity” is what makes it possible to realize things. Without it, the whole universe would be one big boundless blank!!!! The kkk was wasting their time. At the end of the day, Nature makes the adjustments necessary to keep everything in check. The protocol is baked in. Learn to love everyone and have peace in the world.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

      So blending the White, Black, Brown, and Yellow races together will create Diversity? Or is Diversity? You better go back to the drawing board. Racial Separatism promotes diversity. Integration destroys it. You Leftists use the concept of diversity to destroy the reality of it.

  84. willr July 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    I think the usually on-base JHK is way off base in his commentary on the Zimmerman/Martin case. I recommend folks read


  85. janet July 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    Obama Says: Jury has spoken.

    Florida state jury has spoken.

    But Zimmerman can still face federal prosecution and he can still face a civil wrongful death suit.

    Not all the juries have spoken.

    This ain’t over yet. It won’t be over until Lady Justice sings.

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

      The State Prosecutor called Zimmerman a murderer in a Press Conference. Looks like Zim has another law suite – so many to choose from.

  86. Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    Can the Media get worse? Apparently, since they have just overturned the old law that kept the Feds from using direct propaganda on the American People.


  87. lpat July 16, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    When you put a pistol in your hand in the morning, you’re essentially premeditating a murder. You don’t know who; you don’t know why or when or where. But you do know how. It’s just dumb luck if the day ends without you having killed someone.

    If a guy was following me at night, and I could get the drop on him, you can bet I’d pound his head into the curb.

    I didn’t follow the trial, but it seems to me that Zimmerman was looking for trouble and Martin wasn’t.

    Was Zimmerman—half Peruvian, half “white,” definitely not “lily white”—trying too damn hard to be accepted as mainstream?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

      Dumbest comment yet. Gun in had to murder someone? Maybe you’re cleaning it. Maybe you’re going to practice with it. Maybe you’re showing it to someone.

      • lpat July 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

        Perhaps you live in a civilized state which, unlike Tennessee, has not been busy passing legislation to allow all its “law-abiding” citizens to carry their guns with them all day long, into parks, nursery schools, restaurants and bars, and the notion of eating, sleeping, bathing and toileting with your pistol at hand is foreign to you. The reason for owning a pistol is to kill someone as soon as the justification arises. If you carry a gun around with you, how are you not expecting to shoot someone.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

          An armed society is a polite society. Many places where people carry guns have low crime rates. Even Michael Moore admitted as much I believe.

          • lpat July 17, 2013 at 12:05 pm #


  88. K-Dog July 16, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

    I’m not so sure the whole world was watching. The rest of the world is quite preoccupied with countless other events careening toward criticality — civil war in the Middle East, bankruptcy all over Europe, riots in Brazil, the global bond market, a mystery epidemic in India, etc — and if they are watching, they must be mystified by what they see

    Oh yeah; though there appears to a long spew of the Clusterfuck crew now milking the Zimmerman distraction for all it is worth and more.

    So I’ll break up this long foray into the irrelevant with a real issue careening toward criticality and according to what I’ve quoted above, I’m not even off-topic.

    Click the K-Dog link and you will see I’ve added a sweet little series of interviews with Arthur Berman who will make you an expert on natural gas before you even know what happened.

    Are you guys even having fun talking about Zimmerman all day? I know a job is a job, but really, give it a rest and come watch the videos.

    • Being There July 16, 2013 at 6:45 pm #

      Thanks K-Dog

      I’m listening now and this is really what JHK has been saying and indeed it’s all about the investments. That’s why the hype.

      If the capital goes away?….makes the subject of the week seem miniscule indeed.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

        If the capital goes away the subject of the week could be just figuring out how to stay warm. Economic collapse, like grocery trucks without gas.

    • beantownbill. July 16, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

      Hello K-Dog. Long time, no talk. I finally went over to your blog. I like it – very well done.

      It’s funny that your latest topic is about shale gas. Last Thursday and Friday I was at the Connecticut casino playing blackjack. The person next to me at my table was about my age, from New York, and we got to talking. We both had the same views on what we thought was happening to America. Then he said that there was one thing that would turn everything around for us. Shale gas, he said. Naturally, I went into my CFN riff about fracking, shale, etc. He shook his head. “Listen to me”, he said. “Energy and shale is my business, that’s what I’ve been doing for 40 years, and what you’ve been saying is all bullshit.” I tell you, this will save us for a long time.”

      We were at a blackjack table and we couldn’t have further discussion in more depth, so no facts and figures were discussed. I decided that I would hold onto my opinion about our energy resources, which were more like 180 degrees from his. But it got me thinking that it might be a good thing to hear the other side’s opinion in more detail. We seem to get all our info from one side of the issue.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

        I’ve had a few experiences myself recently. I’ve deliberately made conversation with a few strangers and after they become comfortable talking with me I ask them what they think about national issues. Which ones are not important. I mix it up. I’m sneaky and don’t tell them my stand first.

        It’s scary, very scary. Most people it seems just follow the party line and don’t even know it.

        “I felt somehow that some of us were making real progress, that we had taken an honest road, and that the best of us would inevitably make it over the top. At the same time, I shared a dark suspicion that the life we were leading was a lost cause, that we were all actors, kidding ourselves along on a senseless odyssey. It was the tension between these two poles – a restless idealism on one hand and a sense of impending doom on the other – that kept me going.”
        ? Hunter S. Thompson, The Rum Diary

    • ozone July 17, 2013 at 8:50 am #

      Thanks, Mister K. Woof!
      Although idiots like “Janos/Jaeg-off” might think that this particular case of lawyering practice is causing pragmatic folks like myself undue distress, he (as per usual) couldn’t be more wrong.

      This was a case of two terminally stupid ‘people’ engaging in a stupid confrontation, with the resultant killing exposing the stupidity of a ‘law’ handed down by a stupid legislature. This ends up with no one having any responsibility whatsoever for a homocide. As Asoka the petulant pollyanna might blurt: “Meh.”

      ” What we “learned” from the Trayvon Martin case, so far, is exactly nothing.” -JHK

      “Stupid is as stupid does.” -Forrest Gump

      Stupid people who fixate on stupidity will find themselves in increasingly surreal [and life-threatening] territory as we “careen toward criticality.” Pretty much, tough shit; we’ve got to get selective about priorities (shale gas notwithstanding) and the devil take the hindmost.

      When the bear attacks the campsite, you don’t have to be faster than the bear, you have to be faster than the slowest camper.

      • K-Dog July 17, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

        Yes, to walk the path of the righteous and be not drawn into the surreal morass of stupidity demands a strong, steady and firm pace. Without vigilance the stupidity can be infectious. To “fixate on stupidity” as you say; is stupid.

  89. Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    If Eric Holder and the goddamned Justice Department pursues Zimmerman you might, indeed, and you heard it here first, start seeing the first WHITE demonstrations against blacks since the heyday of the KKK. This shit has gone far enough.


  90. josh July 16, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    Well, here we go again.

    It was bold of Jim to post another Trayvon Martin piece after the heat he got the last time he tried. But at least this time he’s less inflammatory, and I agree with his overall point that the whole case really doesn’t illuminate all that much about our society or about justice. Still, Jim does show the same weird racial blind spots as last time, and they still make me really uncomfortable, all the more so because I’m a permanent and longtime fan of his.

    First of all, why take sides in this thing? (I mean, unless you’re Al Sharpton or something.)

    So OK, fine, Jim dislikes the activists who want to see the case as a symbol for racial oppression. Personally, I think they have a point, but I don’t fault Jim for being irritated with them. After all, it was ultimately a legal case that was decided based on the evidence, not on social theory. And the prosecutors just didn’t have enough witnesses to rebut Zimmerman’s story. That’s why Zimmerman got off.

    But still: How are those activists’ generalizations any worse than Jim’s extended rant about the trial being a symbol of the failure of civil rights legislation and the integration of black culture? It just… doesn’t have anything to do with that!

    If there’s one crazy societal development that this trial really does illuminate, it’s the growth of *armed* neighborhood watch groups!

    Otherwise, here is all I see. First we’ve got an idiot pseudo-policeman–who happens to be a Latino with a Jewish name–creepily stalking a tall black teenager in the neighborhood. Something about their interaction incites the teenager to apparently disproportionate and unjustifiable violence. In the melee, the idiot shoots the teenager.

    I see idiotic gun laws and two idiotic individuals here. I don’t see anything that sheds light on racial oppression or civil rights legislation.

    One final thought about Jim’s rant in his final paragraphs above. I’m a white guy, so I have no dog in this fight, but I find his characterization of the “behavior of young black men in general” to be downright pernicious. As much as I share Jim’s love of traditional town planning, traditional civic culture and of welcoming public spaces and the bygone era of architectural restraint, I hasten to remind him that in those aesthetically superior olden days, our society and culture was much, much harsher than it is today–making those common spaces all the more necessary.

    As Jim’s “World Made By Hand” novels implicitly acknowledge, today we are much more protected against disease and the natural elements than in previous generations. Even more importantly, in this country we are also, today, vastly more protected against exploitation by people in positions of power, from police brutality, from political corruption, from corporate greed, from industrial waste effluent, from doctors who operate without consent, and from gunmen who wander the streets with impunity. In those olden days, communities were also racially (and sometimes religiously) segregated by law, lynching was commonplace across much of the south and midwest, and many professions, trades, and educational routes were explicitly closed to certain ethnic groups.

    As we analyze cases like the Zimmerman trial, let’s not get so cranky about the political hypocrites that we forget the progress the case itself represents. Let’s not react to their hypocritical simplifications with an equally hypocritical, knee-jerk reverse simplification.

    The truth is, once those local police finally hauled Zimmerman into custody, they had an actual trial on the evidence, and an outcome was reached in accordance with proper procedure under the law. Everyone had their day in court, irrespective of race or income. We should rejoice. This is an American story. And it’s a success that would never have come about without hard-fought civil rights legislation and a rich body of post-WWII legal cases protecting the rights of minority individuals against the depredations of an often biased majority.

    I just hope Jim hasn’t spent too much time obsessing over a romanticized image of Ye Olde New England Towne, with all those great town squares and beautifully proportioned structures. For all the cogent, urgent, and persuasive arguments he makes about land use planning–not to mention his excellent work on peak oil and fracking–he just doesn’t seem comfortable with racial issues.

    Word to the wise, Jim: Most black people are middle class. They’re perfectly nice, make good neighbors, and their kids are on the whole quite well behaved–certainly as much as white kids are. They’re obviously a bit more afraid of the police than we are. Also, on the whole, black parents tend to hate gangster rap and the underclass culture of drugs and violence even more than you do. They see it as a seductive danger to their teenage kids. However, because that culture is largely black, they recognize faces in it that look like their own kids. So they tend not to go off on rants about it much.

    Got it?

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    • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

      From Wikipedia:

      “A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.

      Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.”

      So, Josh, “… their kids are on the whole quite well-behaved — CERTAINLY AS MUCH AS WHITE KIDS ARE.” I should think that a sensible being would count murder, rape, and robbery as “behaviors” so what’s your theory as to how these “at-least-as-good- as-white kids” kids turn so bad so fast? It’s a rhetorical question because I feel that your essential premises are total balderdash.


      • josh July 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm #

        I guess I’ve always lived in somewhat mixed neighborhoods with really nice black families who were good neighbors. It’s hard to square my own life experience with a lot of the categorical anti-black rhetoric that this site seems to attract. I’m not denying the stats you cite. So maybe you’re right, we just don’t share each other’s essential premises — as in, I think in the end we are all in this society together, and we should appreciate our successes and solve our problems without turning on each other. And I think black social dysfunction is a legacy of slavery and oppression, and it takes generations to work that out. And blacks have only been treated as actual citizens for about one or two generations. And a lot of black culture isn’t helping make the situation better, although on the other hand a lot is. I guess I’m just not angry about the whole thing because of my life experience and because I think they’re just people.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm #

      You are a very creepy Cracker type Leftist. Blacks don’t make good neighbors and their kids are far more dangerous than White kids – especially in groups. This is true to a lesser extent even when controlling for economic status.

      The growth of neighborhood watches is natural and inevitable as America unravels. The Police can’t keep us safe anymore so the responsibility falls back towards local groups and individuals. This is the American Way. Watch some Westerns – the Sheriff needs his deputies.

      Remember Kunstler’s first novel: the town doesn’t really get back on its feet until the Evangelical group full of ex-military imposes order by force. Only then does the Judge come off his Estate and agree to take up his duties. Why? Think about it. I’m here if you need me.

      • josh July 16, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

        Well, I didn’t mean to creep you out, Judge. I was just trying to make a point. And I hope our real-life social disorder doesn’t come to all that, but it’s compelling to hear anyone volunteer for service these days. I just hope you’ll protect all who need your aid and not draw a color line across your flock.

        As for me being a Leftist… Yikes. I ain’t marching with Reverend Al… I thought I was just being a fuddy-duddy America-lover. I don’t revel in social breakdown.

    • lpat July 17, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

      I doubt that he does, josh. Odd. He gets white southerners and the south better than anyone I know of. He is pretty much at sea, though, when it comes to black folk. The curmudgeon takes over. “Droopy drawers! Yadda! Yadda!” All of us are pretty confused I’m afraid.

      America is not the lily-white/ebony-black country it seemed to be in 1965. We’re every shade of the rainbow now. Like it or not people from the world over are here now, in every variant of assimilation to the dominant culture. That’s where we’re going to be when TLE takes hold. Those cultural and ethnic differences certainly won’t ease the struggles ahead. People will continue to exploit those differences to set people at one another’s throats.

      We need thoughtful, responsible guidance there almost more than anywhere else. Evident from many comments here for a long time.

      • josh July 19, 2013 at 2:53 am #

        Thanks for the interesting reply. My sentiments exactly regarding our multiracial present and future. It’s remarkable to me that Jim couches his polarizing comments in lamentations about a lost common culture. I guess that’s the white southerner in him coming out, eh? Paula Deen misses a common culture too. It’s a neat rhetorical trick to draw bright lines of prejudice and then call those walls an expression of commonality.

        As for common culture, sure, I support a common culture of respect and tolerance and economic fairness — one that doesn’t give a hoot about skin color or discriminate on the basis of such categories. And as for social dysfunction among black youth, Jim surely knows he hasn’t personally uncovered this hidden secret trend! In his podcast this week, he defensively states that his critics, like many Americans, are too sensitive to have a “discussion” about race. But I think we’re having it, and he’s the one who’s sensitive about the direction it’s taking. On this blog, I’m certainly trying to call him out and make a “discussion” of it. It’s interesting to see how he responds to disagreement. People who challenge him are apparently oversensitive, yet we’re the ones speaking up. His response seems much more sensitive than my expressions of disagreement with him.

        Anyway, I remain grateful to Jim for his throught-provoking warnings about the dangerous trendlines of our society. But that doesn’t mean we have to actually revel in the possibility of a breakdown. We should stick together and hold tight to our highly developed legal system and shore it up where it is fraying. Likewise with our other social institutions. I disagree with Jim about our state of affairs being doomed. I do not agree that we are headed for a real-life “world made by hand” or that the US will turn into a western movie (as some of my fellow commenters seem to think and even want). I don’t yearn for a pre-modern world. This is the only world that successfully protects the weak. We have to appreciate it and make it work again.

        And though Jim wisely dismisses our current culture’s foolish romanticization of technology, he goes too far and himself foolishly dismisses technology in general — an error that flies in the face of the last eight hundred years of human history. None of us on this blog is in a position to know that we have affirmatively reached the limits of technology’s potential. We may know that oil is on a depletion curve and that Google is overrated – but that’s really it. A little faith in humanity and in our common future would give Jim’s analyses a little more heart as well as some much-needed analytical subtlety.

  91. Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm #

    I want to close out a topic from last week’s thread, viz. does more money make you happier. Here is E confirming Jasoka’s post: “There have actually been studies showing that if you make only a few kilodollars more than average, you’re as happy as a billionaire. Money buys happiness up to a very small point.”

    Spend just one minute on Google and you will find that there are studies arriving at exactly opposite conclusions, e.g. one study says that beyond $75K there is little or no additional happiness gain from additional money. Others say more money DOES make people happier.

    Forget about those previous studies and consider this potential study: Suppose you find 10 random people who make $75K/yr. You tell them they will be paid handsomely to sit for two hours listening to a presentation about money. You assure them there are no tricks and no gimmicks. They listen for two hours about studies that show unequivocally that money cannot buy happiness; that once people make, on average, $75K per year they rarely experience additional happiness with additional income. Inform them that each attendee has had $1M deposited to their bank accounts subject only to their willingness to accept the money. I say 0 out of 10 people will reject this money despite the overwhelming evidence they have just heard that more than $75K will not make them happier.

    • Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

      I think your logic is off there Q. Just because it is obvious that everyone would take a million bucks that just magically appears in their bank account, it does NOT logically follow that it would make them happier. It MIGHT follow that it makes them THINK they will be happier but that’s just the point of the extant studies … their thinking … proves to be wrong!!


  92. Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Please read the latest Fred on Everything blog titled Zimmerman. Here is a key sentence:

    “The crucial fact to come out of the whole adventure—crucial, and therefore utterly overlooked–was that Rachel Jeantel, a prosecution witness and black girl aged nineteen years, can´t read.”

    My sentiments precisely. At 12:01am today I wrote “I first became aware of this character’s existence when I read that she said “I can’t read cursive.”

    Fred knows how to get to the heart of a matter like few others.

    If I may be so brazen, “Great minds think alike.”

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

      But she knew the word cursive! How many do? Do you assume that she can’t read at all? You may be right. Koko the Gorilla could perform simple tasks and had a vocabulary in sign of several hundred words. As such, Koko was smarter than many “students” in Black areas and would have fit right in except for lacking vocal cords.

      • Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

        Do you assume that she can’t read at all?

        No, I’m aware she can read although I suspect it’s on the “See Spot Run” level. (I read a bunch of her Twitter messages.)

        The whole thing about an individual like this being a senior in high school at 19 years old when she should have been flunked out years ago is just sordid and sickening.

        And now I see that someone has offered to pay to send her to “any black college” after they arrange to get her tutored out of H.S. and get her through the SATs.

        How about helping out a QUALIFIED black person??

        What a friggin outrage!!

  93. Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    It’s not enough. Raise the minimum wage to 17 dollars an hour for full time over 20 year olds – aaron_espro

    Who did you study economics under, Paul Krugman?

    Why pussy-foot around arron? Make it $117 an hour.

  94. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    In my view, one huge irony in this Zimmerman soap opera is that compared to many other countries, the U.S. is NOT a racist country. The U.S. people elected a black man as President, for God’s sake! What are the odds that the Japanese would elect a Chinese or a Korean as Prime Minister? Or, the Chinese elect a Uighyr as Party General Secretary, etc.?

    People will always be jealous of and hate each other and use difference as the basis for hatred, either class different, religious difference, ethnic difference, racial difference,, the color of their eyes, size of their ears, etc.

    Perhaps, the most interesting attempt by the MSM in recent years to segregate people is the attempt to distinguish men according to the relative size of their penises. I don’t know what the point of this is? Are they preparing to kill US men with big dicks?

    Several weeks ago, I read in the U.S. MSM that there was a “scientific study” which allegedly proved that women do indeed prefer men with a big dong. According to the article, the researchers reached their conclusion based upon the archaeological record of pre-historic societies in which the people did not wear clothes and ran around naked. It seems that the researchers were forced to limit their research to such societies since only in societies in which the people were universally naked that women had the opportunity to discern the relative size of the available penis.

    My initial reaction to the article was one of surprise and disbelieve. How could they possible know for certain that cave women prefer big dicks?! In my view, it was probably more likely that cave people lived very close to the edge of survival, and, therefore, it was more likely that the cave bloke who had the best hunting and gathering skills and could bring-home-the-bacon had the best chance of getting some cave nooky. Also, it is a fact that many women do not want to confront a giant banana. For some, it hurts.

    Also, in cave societies a big dick could be a handicap. For example, it could easily be pulled off during hand-to-hand combat, or it might get caught in some vines or brambles. Or it might get lodged between some rocks when trying to flee a saber toothed tiger, etc.

    In any case, it seems rather strange to me that the MSM would attempt to divide and classify American men according to size of their penises.

    • beantownbill. July 16, 2013 at 10:44 pm #

      I read that story, too. I had to laugh when I read your comment. Only you, Puck, would write in such detail about it. 😉

      Remember, it’s not the size of the wand that counts, it’s how you wield the magic with it.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

      Probably an attempt to get more White Women with Black Men.

      • handyman July 20, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

        Your envy is showing…

  95. beantownbill. July 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm #

    I didn’t learn anything really new from the whole Zimmerman/Martin affair. It just reinforced my opinion of how ignorant and stupid the American public is. Sure, there are many intelligent people in our society, but they pale in comparison to the number of people who can’t think straight. One can make cogent arguments on either side of the debate, but mostly I hear dumb remarks.

    BTW, I don’t think the Feds will go after Zimmerman again. Obama has to play a politically correct game by saying we should abide by the verdict. Secretly (actually, maybe not so secretly), he wants to nail Z badly. Instead, he sends his pit bull, Holder, to take all the heat and responsibility for stating the Feds may go after Z. But it won’t happen.

    Just sayin’.

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    • Janos Skorenzy July 16, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

      You may be the only poster here besides me who can reason from the FACT of average human stupidity to the need to limit democracy to the capable. Fred is on board with that as well and has some pretty good recommendations.

      Americans are so beaten down they can’t think big anymore. But that is just what is needed to break out of the trap the Elite are driving us into.

      • beantownbill. July 17, 2013 at 12:26 am #

        We may disagree on some fundamental aspects of existence, but I do agree with you on this. I’ve always thought everybody shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but the one problem I have with that is determining what the criteria for voting eligibility should be. A careful balance between responsible voting while allowing for a wide range of differing viewpoints must be struck.

        I also wouldn’t allow political parties. Our current party system is a farce.

        Americans stopped thinking big around 1890, in my opinion. That corresponds to when the frontier ended. I had a teacher who said that what killed the frontier was the use of barbed wire to contain herds of cattle. It was a metaphor for not allowing the human mind to roam freely.

        The last chance we had for the realization of grand plans was the space race of the ’50’s and ’60’s, but of course the small minds of American politicians ended that. It’s sinful that only a TV program carried on the idea of space as the final frontier. I guess by then the American public was ingrained to watch rather than do.

        • Janos Skorenzy July 17, 2013 at 3:31 am #

          Yes the Founders were against “factions” as they called them. Most pols today care more about their Party than they do about the Country. If they don’t, they’ll never rise up to high office or anything past the most local level.

          Btw, you do support Zimmerman, right? I saw the interview with his parents who are also in hiding: they seem like very decent, solid people. And yes, they are completely multi-racial saying that their children mostly married other races as well. Not my vision of life at all but I admit there are good things and people outside my Vision.

  96. Pucker July 16, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    I agree with beantownbill.

    It’s so tragic that the American people are wasting their time and energy protesting what is basically just a crappy criminal case, one case out of thousands of crappy criminal cases. Their protests won’t improve the economic conditions of a white or black struggling American families. A complete waste of time and energy that would be much better spent on protesting the corrupt white and black leadership for jobs, national health care insurance, ending the wars bankrupting the country, ending home foreclosures, student loan debt forgiveness, etc. Maybe this is the outcome that the corrupt black and white leadership wants?

    It’s so tragic….

  97. Q. Shtik July 16, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

    Here’s my prediction: The public outrage over the verdict in the Zimmerman trial will peter out in 1/10th the time that the Occupy Wall St movement lasted.

  98. syrahzin July 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    Dystopian view may be hitting a speed bump:


    US Energy Renaissance Shifts Power

  99. Elmendorf July 16, 2013 at 11:58 pm #

    Here’s an interesting little article:
    “These 11 States now have More People on Welfare than they have Employed!
    Last month, the Senate Budget Committee reported that in fiscal year 2012, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support.
    What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.
    To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $20 an hour.”

    You want to know the eleven states? CA, NM, IL, MS, LA, OH, KY, SC, NY, ME, and HI. This gives further support to Murray’s argument in: “Coming Apart: The State of White America 1960-2010” which focused on the decay of morals, work ethic, and manners in the working class since 1960. As a personal anecdote, I remember as a child that virtually ANY man would take a job that paid LESS than welfare because of the social stigma of welfare. Several of these states like CA, IL, NY, and LA have also historically had politicians who were either very crooked or extraordinarily inept to a degree greater than most.


    • Being There July 17, 2013 at 7:35 am #

      Most people want to work, E.

      It’s downright boring not to. Here’s the problem. Wages are being lowered and even on MSM they tell people to have enough money as a cushion to support yourself while looking for your next job and be prepared that your next job will be paying you less than the one you lost.

      There simply isn’t enough job creation, many of the numbers that are supposed to positive are being manipulated and it leaves swaths of people without any opportunity. Sure you can work for yourself, but in my experience it is never even.

      It’s busy sometimes and downright dead for an undetermined period. You can’t hold a gun to anyone’s head to use you. Entrepreneurship is a fancy word which often leads to disappointment.

      I have collected unemployment insurance and its a pittance. Just barely gets you by and causes tremendous anxiety because it can’t possible cover expenses beyond rent!

      When I’m working my income is far better than unemployment and I can live my life comfortably and save too! I love working and I hate being unemployed. What I do I can do till I die and still enjoy every minute of it.

      Americans have always defined themselves through their work adn would happily work when given the chance. As Charles Hugh Smith wrote yesterday. You are either overworked or under-worked in this economy.

      I get to experience both!

      • beantownbill. July 17, 2013 at 10:17 am #

        You are lucky, BT, that you like what you do. Most people, or at least, of those that I know, have unrewarding jobs and would love to not work them. It’s only a small step from there to accept living off unemployment benefits for as long as possible. Having had a few periods where I hated my job, I can’t say I really blame them. It’s not a matter of being lazy or unwilling to be responsible, it’s a matter of not having the emotional strength required to continue to get up every morning to face a meaningless, soul-killing job all day, at least five times a week.

        I consider myself very lucky too, in that I somehow was able to avoid that bleak life by starting my own business and having it work out ok. I’ll never lack sympathy for those who didn’t.

        For those less empathetic persons who loudly say, “get a job, ya bum!”, consider the real cost of working in a stultifying job: the unhappiness, depression, high blood pressure and the inevitable loss of health. IMO it’s not worth the pay.

        • Being There July 17, 2013 at 10:49 am #

          But Bean,

          Most people would still not give up a staff job even if they hate it. I know many people who complain bitterly to me about the head games they have to play at work, but they hang in there because they know there may not be anything else.

          Unemployment insurance is only of 26 weeks. (except it got extended after 2008)

          After that there’s non-stop spending down until you hit bottom.

  100. Elmendorf July 17, 2013 at 12:02 am #

    A small addendum: The median household income reported by the article as “just over $50,000” is not accurate (it’s around $41K or very close to that figure) because it includes transient incomes (like kids working part time jobs making small contributions to the household where they still live in their 20s but likely won’t later). This only bolsters the article’s point even further … if you can get $168/day in welfare with the ethos of today, people won’t work.


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  101. janet July 17, 2013 at 1:42 am #

    Sayrahzin, thank you for that link:

    “A bullish price climb toward $200 a barrel, which was expected as recently as two years ago, has turned into a bearish price outlook of between $80 and $100 a barrel. This new reality is underscored by the U.S. Energy Information Administration 2013 Outlook, which projects that U.S. primary energy consumption will remain mostly flat for the next 30 years while the country’s gas and oil production will grow steadily.”


    “Ironically, the unexpected U.S. domestic production gains of oil and gas also are fueling Obama’s reenergized “green energy” drive in his second term, after it stalled in his first. Obama’s plan to transition to greener and more sustainable energy in the future would be harder to sell to the public without the energy security provided by the resurgent production of domestic fossil fuels, which will still supply around 80 percent of U.S. energy for decades to come.”

    Few on CFN seem to understand, appreciate this reality. Sustainable green energy is the future and Obama has purchased a few decades of time to get there.

    • BackRowHeckler July 20, 2013 at 7:12 am #

      Has Obama ever even pumped his own gas? Does he know how?

    • michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

      Have you read anything about the energy returned on energy invested ratios of this “green energy” you speak of? While they are well intended, they are no match for the efficacy of fossil fuels. They require inputs from fossil fuels to build and maintain and would take several decades to even begin to make a substantial difference. There is not enough time. Don’t kid yourself, we are screwed

  102. janet July 17, 2013 at 1:47 am #

    “This new reality is underscored by the U.S. Energy Information Administration 2013 Outlook, which projects that U.S. primary energy consumption will remain mostly flat for the next 30 years while the country’s gas and oil production will grow steadily.”

    Sorry, Charlie… no doomster collapse for you. Only the best sun kissed sustainable solar energy is acceptable.

    Couple the above fossil fuel energy quote with the demographers’ predictions for a leveling off of global population by 2050 and we may have to call off the shit hitting the fan for a few MORE decades.

    • Elmendorf July 18, 2013 at 5:44 am #

      Sure, Janet, there’s such a surfeit of oil that it’s only … ahem … let me see … ah, yes … a mere ONE-HUNDRED-FIVE DOLLAR A BARREL. I’d sooner believe theoildrum.com than ANY of these statistic-jiggering government bureaus.

      Mr. Market speaks louder than any Orwellian bureaucrat. The only way you will ever see even $80 oil is if there is an ASSET CRASH and any holders of ANY assets will have to sell to raise cash. Even at these prices, there is STILL an ELEVEN DOLLAR backwardation of futures prices. Oil only has sustained downturns in price when there’s a contango. Learn a little about the market instead of writing post after post where you just sing “Kumbaya” and quote some “Ministry of Truth” with a vested interest in blowing blue sky up your arse.

      As I returned to this board early this a.m. … it looks like your “Kumbaya” has taken over. Pity. Knowledge just isn’t on the ascendancy here in the National Stasi State.


  103. Pucker July 17, 2013 at 4:07 am #

    Once in a hotel room, as I was on the bed hump’n this girl who I thought was “hot”, she was watching TV channel surf’n with the TV remote control.

    “Just 30 percent of employees are engaged and inspired at work, according to Gallup’s 2013 State of the American Workplace Report, which surveyed more than 150,000 full- and part-time workers during 2012. That’s up from 28 percent in 2010. The rest … not so much. A little more than half of workers (52 percent) have a perpetual case of the Mondays—they’re present, but not particularly excited about their job. The remaining 18 percent are actively disengaged or, as Gallup CEO Jim Clifton put it in the report, “roam the halls spreading discontent.” Worse, Gallup reports, those actively disengaged employees cost the U.S. up to $550 billion annually in lost productivity. (link)”

    • Janos Skorenzy July 17, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

      She thought you were hot but she was watching TV as you umpt ‘er? Is this the Lost Productivity that you seek? Where did it go? Where does fire go when it goes out? Maybe there.

    • Neon Vincent July 17, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

      Pucker, juxtaposing your story about your encounter with the girl in the hotel room with the quote about disengaged workers, which comes from the New York Times article “Checking out,” makes it seems like you were paying her. I hope that’s not what you were intending to convey. Whether it was or not, I have only one thing to say about your story.


  104. Janos Skorenzy July 17, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Rachael Jeantel told Piers Morgan that Trayvon wasn’t trying to kill Zimmerman but just dealing out some whoop ass because Zimmerman was a Gay Predator. So so much for her testimony and the Bees who believed every stupid word.

  105. Being There July 17, 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    How do we do business?
    This predatory capitalism by transnational pharma in this case GlaxoSmithKline and other companies is well documented in an article in Zero Hedge. We bribe officials with money set up in phony conventions that never happened through a made up proxy travel agency.

    [The resulting fake travel and meeting expenses – in total 3 billion yuan ($489 million) – were then rechanneled to bribe doctors into prescribing certain drugs. But the “sexual bribes” were not quantified in monetary units.]


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    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

      Even Jimmy Carter has come out in favor of the Zimmerman verdict. Oh Beeee! Time to start the Feminine shuffle, pretending that not only do you support the verdict but always supported the verdict. The jurors have already started shifting their position based on “feedback”.


      • willr July 19, 2013 at 9:16 am #

        Carter did not come out in favor of the verdict at all. He said the prosecution over-reached and that they didn’t even broach race as an issue. Seems to me that Jimmy feels the prosecution took a dive, which they did.

        Stand Your Ground is for whites only. Look at the Michelle Alexander conviction.

  106. Karah July 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    What “moral contitution”? I do not promote laws just principles. It is impossible to legislate morality and human decency. Again the scenario is being clouded with emotion and not reason. Zimmerman and martin are examples of how not to behave. I do not needanymore evidence to prove he is guilty of poor judgment. There’s enough evidence to show why no one should carry a gun. Feral dogs are more predictable than wild humans.

  107. thewatchman July 17, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    On jobs, employment, wages, taxes and subsidies: many jobs out there are so low paying the workers end up having to rely on a patchwork of government programs and subsidies for low-income people in order to be able to work full-time for major highly profitable corporations such as McDonalds, Walmart, hotel chains, and other low-wage service work:

    Have a look-see and you will behold McDonalds actually having to coach its restaurant workers to take a second full-time job to have a prayer of putting together a livable monthly budget from full-time work at McDonalds:

    McDonalds, Walmart and many other large employers are in essence depending on front-line workers receiving subsidies from state and federal programs, in order to be able to have them slave away at such low wages. These corporations’ profits are thus in essence SUBSIDIZED by our state and federal governments!!! A significant part of basic costs of living for their workers has to be paid for and provided through an inefficient patchwork of public spending programs…

    Now of course this fact makes these workers targets for being slammed by the GOP, neocons, the Tea Party and the 1% as being the “takers”, when in reality the REAL TAKERS are McDonald’s and Walmart, most specifically the SHAREHOLDERS of these companies.

    Yes indeed, it is the likes of MITT ROMNEY and other wealthy shareholders, who benefit hugely from the ridiculously low wages plus the government subsidies paid to their workers. They get this benefit through higher profits, cashflow and dividends, on which they are taxed at a far lower percentage than employed persons: 15% or less (dividend income or long term capital gains). If they are hedge fund managers they pay even less on their gains from investing and holding these stocks, as little as 10% or 0%, in some cases.

    And of course, the 1% loves to point out that these underpaid workers pay no Federal income taxes (their income is way too low), so they get slammed as “paying no income tax” and “not having skin in the game”… Even though they pay 6.2% in social security payroll tax, 1.45% medicare tax, as well as sales taxes, gas taxes and many other consumer taxes.

    Whereas employed persons with salaries over $113,000 pay ZERO payroll taxes on all compensation over $113,000. Persons with income only from investments, investing, capital gains, or hedge fund management pay ZERO% towards social security.

    Taxing the wealthiest Americans, the most profitable corporations and their shareholders is seen as a CRIME. They should not pay tax. They should be subsized. That is the situation we have now. So why are the GOP, theneocons and Tea Party so upset? They have won!

    Congress (the GOP) has just voted to cut SNAP food stamp nutrition programs while retaining the massive subsides to agribusiness… So now the little guy who is syetmically required to depend on these programs will be hungrier…

    To top it all off, as if this weren’t insulting and predatory enough, many of these companies have taken to paying their workers their paltry weekly pay using payroll debit cards, larded with fees that eat into the worker’s already pathetic pay:

    Hmmm. So a significant number of Americans at some of the country’s largest employers are putting in far more than a 40 hour work week, and are expected to seek out and apply for and get wound up in our badly run government programs, find second jobs when there is little or no childcare, just to make it so their main employer can continue to underpay them for their shitty job… And thereby continue to convey WHAT SHOULD BE their reasonable compensation to the SHAREHOLDERS, as excess PROFITs. And oh by the way AVOID paying corporate taxes as much as possible…

    This system is indeed rigged to FRAK the working men and women of this country in every orifice, to make state and federal governments look like “Santa Claus” showering money on lazy individuals whereas it is mainly welfare for corporations, and devalue the work and effort and labor of the little guy as against the REAL PREDATORY FEUDAL-SCALE RENT-TAKING by the top 10%, 1% and .1%.

    What would happen if the working poor, minorities or white actually perceived and got angry about the above, which are REAL INJUSTICES, instead of getting wrapped up in media circus and trial-by-mob diversions and distractions and race-baiting such as the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy, which the media and TPTB clearly prefer them to be fixated on?

    What would happen if people truly connected the dots? And the above are only a few of the many many dots that need to be connected…

  108. Pucker July 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

    Neon Vincent said: “Pucker, juxtaposing your story about your encounter with the girl in the hotel room with the quote about disengaged workers, which comes from the New York Times article “Checking out,” makes it seems like you were paying her. I hope that’s not what you were intending to convey.”

    I didn’t give her any cash, but I recall that I may have bought her some clothes and dinner and a movie.

    Do you remember the time the lawyer trying to impeach the witness on the witness stand asked the witness:

    “Have you ever had sex with a prostitute?”

    “Not that I know of.”

  109. Pucker July 17, 2013 at 10:59 pm #

    My favorite Collapse tune….


  110. janet July 17, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    Here is my favorite collapse song because it contains very specific instructions on how to conduct oneself before, during, and after the collapse.


    Vive la vida, siempre alegre, cultiva la? amistad y siempre vivirás feliz, nuestro paso por este mundo es tan corto que no hay tiempo para peleas ni odios.

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  111. Pucker July 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    Why is it called “Lean”?

    Arizona Tea + Skittles + Robitussin = Lean

    The word “Lean” literally means the absence of fat, right?

    “Jack Sprat…
    Could eat no fat…
    His wife…
    Could eat no lean….”

  112. Pucker July 17, 2013 at 11:34 pm #


    Your song’s in Spanish…..

    As I listened to it, I had a sudden urge to shake some bead rattles and swing my hips. it reminds me of the great Mexican enchilada platter that I had in good Mexican dive in NY City several years ago. I was the only person in the place as it had just opened for business in the morning. It was a restaurant/bar. It had that hung over feel to it, and and they had a big pinata hanging from the ceiling.

  113. janet July 18, 2013 at 12:04 am #

    Collapse instructions in English (complete version with annotation)


    Don’t worry be happy.

    (sung by Bob Marley in this version)

  114. janet July 18, 2013 at 12:12 am #


    Since Bob Marley died in 1981 and the song came out in 1988, I doubt that is Bob Marley singing. Maybe Bobby McFerrin.

    In any event it was originally the Indian mystic and sage Meher Baba (1894–1969) who often used the expression “Don’t worry, be happy.”

  115. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 7:10 am #

    All of the recent action movies all strike me as rather boring. All the explosions, missiles, car chases, machine gun shootouts, RPGs,, etc, etc. All boring.

    This must be some kind of sign of imminent Collapse of a civilization, which has come to the end-of-the-line, like in some kind of prescient Johnny Cash tune?

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    • ozone July 18, 2013 at 8:13 am #

      Although J.C. did a fine, chilling version of this, the juxtaposition of happy-happy-joy-joy bouncing bubbliness of the Nippon blue-sky-blowing brigade to Nick is priceless. (This is the most complete form of the song I could find.)


  116. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 7:54 am #

    “The package is on-the-move.”

    Do people really talk like this?

    Did you know that the secret nuclear launch code in “The Football” carried by former President George W. Bush, Jr. was Twelve Zeros.

    Isn’t there something in the Book of Revelation about the number 12?

    I guess that one advantage of that Doomsday Death Code is that it’s easy to remember? Like 3 zeros as the secret lock combination on one’s suitcase, or 1,2,3…..

    Jesus Help Us…

    They’re all quite MAD.

    • ozone July 18, 2013 at 8:18 am #

      But I believe the code for George the Miniscule, with his blank and buzzing, drug-and-drink addled brain was more complex than you imply. …After all he had to try and recall that there were TWELVE zeros. That’s very “hard work” for the dub’ya.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

        Welcome back. Happy Hunger Games! Where do you stand on the verdict? Lemme guess: you agin it. Why? Do you a Valid reason, not just “Blacks good, Whites bad”?

        • K-Dog July 18, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

          You have not been keeping up. Surprising since this is your job. If you had been keeping up you would know Ozone agrees me. We pretty much agree that stupid is as stupid does and two idiots managed to distract the country from its real problems for months. No lessons to learn, just two clowns and one had a gun.

          Another segment was added to Arthur Berman interview yesterday. – K-Dog

          And a happy hunger games to you. How are things at the ministry of fear and control today?

          • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 4:40 pm #

            You have no proof that I am anything other than what I claim to be: a White Nationalist, the most hated group in America. But like all Liberals, you use slander and innuendo just like your Father in Hell. I have no doubt that your copy of “Rules for Radicals” is well thumbed, just like Hillary’s.

  117. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 7:56 am #

    Why didn’t Zimmerman just Rope-a-Dope?

  118. janet July 18, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    All the explosions, missiles, car chases, machine gun shootouts, RPGs,, etc, etc. All boring.

    Then you are going to be bored with the coming collapse.

    These action movies are prepping you for the way it is going to be every day post-collapse: murder, mayhem, gangs of colored youths with RPGs, etc. shooting at you.

    But you will be bored. Dmitri must have talked about boredom during collapse and the collapse into boredom. Probably almost as bored as Nick Cave.

  119. BackRowHeckler July 18, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    Crude is $106 per barrel but everybody is still driving around like maniacs. This place just keeps lurching forward like a drunk stumbling down the street. There’s no stopping it. Last week the Earth Science Dept. at Cal Tech released a report saying there’s enough oil to meet any increased demand worldwide until 2035, at which time a new source of fuel will surely be discovered. This was picked up and reported in the WSJ and Investors Business Daily. So don’t worry. All is well.

    And BTBill I see you are active once again in CFNation. All I have to say to you is:

    “Hi neighbor, have a Gansett”.

    No really, I have a case here on ice in an old steel washtub we got when we cleaned out my grandmothers farm in Avon.

    And a nod to my friend Ozone.


    • BackRowHeckler July 18, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

      Bill one more thing. How about that Rolling Stone cover? How’s that playing in Boston. That son of a bitch blew up an 8 year old boy. His name was Martin Richard. I know JHK used to write for Rolling Stone. Does anybody give a shit about Rolling Stone anymore? I know, I know, they’re iconoclasts. If any Rolling Stone editors look in here, take your lousy rag and shove it up your ass.


      • beantownbill. July 18, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

        BRH, I live around 10-15 minutes from Avon.

        I read this morning that Retailers with New England ties like CVS, Walgreens, Stop&Shop and others refuse to sell Rolling Stone in their stores.

        Never really liked the mag, but in their time they were sure edgy.

      • Being There July 18, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

        Bad call on that cover–Have no idea what they’re going for.

        Matt Taibbi is my only interest in RS. I read his column online.


      • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm #

        He has a big fan club of young ladies who say he is too beautiful to have done anything bad. One is reminded of the Ancient Greek Lawyer who was about to lose a murder case. He tore his clients top displaying her generous bosom. “Would you destroy such beauty”, he cried. She was declared innocent.

        • anti dod July 19, 2013 at 10:43 am #

          Remember the Central Park Killer of the 1980s or 90s? Tall, Dark, Handsome and High Born. The Preppy killer may have been what the press dubbed him. One juror [no doubt female] said ‘he doesnt look like a killer’.
          He strangled a gal while screwing in the park. And went back to jail for some assault after serving time? I cant recall all the horrid details.
          Vlad, is Jesse Jackasses wifey going to jail?

  120. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    Dmitry Orlov is like the character “Or” in the book “Catch-22”.

    Everybody thinks Or is crazy, but he’s the only one who really knows what Reality is and takes active steps to confront Reality.

    Yossarian is still in denial and can’t accept the reality that they really are trying to kill him.

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  121. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    Everybody now just keeps their mouths shut thinking that if they just fly a few more missions that their tour-of-duty will be over and then they can go home.

    But the System keeps raising the number of missions that the bomber pilots must fly.

    The System, by definition, requires that the System continues, so the missions can never end, and the humans are just fodder for the System.

    This is the Reality, until the Reality breaks down.

  122. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    Every person is defined by the System in relation to the person’s function in maintaining the System, or Sub-system within the System.

    But Consumers have lost their function because of indebtedness. Students/Workers have lost their function because of debt and unemployment.

    The people assume new roles in Sub-systems as prisoners in the prison sub-system, or soldiers in the military sub-system. Single parent mothers in the welfare sub-system.

    Angry blacks in the Affirmative Action political correctness sub-system. The insistence upon the existence of Racism and racial separatism is necessary to maintain the Affirmative Action and black racial sub-system. Blacks will insist that Whites are Racist, and act accordingly to perpetuate racism, becoming “niggas” and insisting that to be recognized as such by Whites is racism, thereby justifying Black indignity. Very irrational, absurd….. MAD. The System is collapsing.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

      A correct assessment of Blacks. But are you assuming that they have any other rational choice? Do you really believe they can compete with Whites en masse? What is your evidence? There is none to my knowledge – thus the widespread cheating scandals in urban schools – BY THE TEACHERS falsifying test results.

      If equality was brought back and the reign of privilege ended, Blacks would rapidly fall back to their true level, that of a laboring class. And that is unacceptable to them and to their White Liberal enablers – since it would show to all that the Liberals were wrong and had always been so in their grotesque over-estimation of Black ability.

      It will never be solved but only become moot by collapse. A blessing perhaps, one of many.

  123. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    Why is it that in Zimbargo’s mock prison that American Blacks have seemingly voluntarily conformed to the role of the “Nigga”, to use their own uncouth, crass vocabulary?

  124. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    The educational system “insists” that the particular grading system reflects objective reality (knowledge), no matter how absurd that system is.

    The Black Affirmative Action system “insists” that racism exists and acts to give meaning and reality to racism in order to perpetuate racism and the system.

    The Military Security system “insists” that all Muslims are terrorists.

    Everyone is pretending.

    They’re all MAD.

  125. progress4what July 18, 2013 at 8:30 pm #

    “the Affirmative Action and black racial sub-system.”

    Yeah, pucker, I’ve been thinking about putting something into words about this, myself. Thanks for the push.

    I wonder what history will finally record as regards the progression and ultimate fate of the negro/black/African-American in the United States of America?

    Were MLK and the freedom marchers the high water mark?
    Where did non-violence go? Who coined the idea that it was a good idea to “burn this mutha’ down,” if blacks felt the desire?

    Whatever. The Watts riots were NOT the high water mark, correct?

    And Watts led, ineluctably, to the Rodney King riots.
    And the Rodney King riots led George Bush I and his justice department to overthrow, on Civil Rights Act grounds, a legal determination of a California jury.

    Was that the high water mark?

    Because those events led, also ineluctably, to the protests over the Zimmerman verdict. But, BUT – what if the Zimmerman verdict isn’t overthrown on Civil Rights Act grounds. What if the power of the Black Grievance Coalition, all sorts of protesting, and even the lingering threat of “burning the mutha’ down” isn’t enough, this time?

    And what if the new marketing by the MSM, or TPTB, or random spin – of George Zimmerman as a White-Hispanic – shows that the new racial alliances forming in the US will put Hispanics with the white majority, leaving African-Americans on the bottom forever.

    Somewhere along the way, a high water mark was reached.
    Does the tide now recede?

    disclaimers and questions to follow –

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    • progress4what July 18, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

      disclaimers/more questions:
      I wonder what happened to all the black kids that participated with me as lab rats in the giant experiment on the human psyche that was racial integration in the ’60’s?

      I wonder if we did the right thing?
      I wonder if we’ll ever know?

      I wonder how long it will be before janetasoka calls me racist?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 9:49 pm #

      One of the most interesting aspects of this whole thing has hardly been mentioned: the uncanny silence of the Hispanics. One Hispanic guys said they didn’t want the Black mad at them, but that’s not it. In general, they show no fear of Blacks at all. Rather I think they don’t want to upset the apple cart by offending their Liberal Patrons. And I’m left in awe: they are all on the same page. They are playing a very tight game and we are in deep trouble.

      And nary a word about the Amnesty in the last two weeks. Its defeat rest on John Boehner. And that gives one very little peace of mind given his weeping and history of caving on big issues.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

      Imagine if they had followed Booker T Washington’s advice and not the W.B Dubois’s and the Jewish NAACP. They’d still be in the rural Deep South and small towns – in far better shape to face the Long Emergency than most.

    • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2013 at 9:39 am #

      Are Jewish groups or La Raza lending any support to Zimmerman, because I read his religious/ethnic heritage is Jewish-Peruvian? The reason I ask is because all that seems to matter now is our ethnic background.


  126. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    Ms. Jeantel on TV described herself as a “Nigga”, but she distinguished between the word “Nigga”, which she said is a “good word” which “everybody uses”, and “Nigger”, which she said is a bad word.

    I may have some rather bad news for Ms. Jeantel: In either White people’s minds or Black people’s minds, there “ain’t no” difference between the connotation of either word!


    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

      Trying this will probably get some clueless liberal like Be killed when the Black in question fails to hear the subtle phonetic difference – assuming that’s it not just more of Jeantel’s bullshit to begin with.

      People are beginning to call her Jabba the Hut.

  127. progress4what July 18, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    Is anybody using the “reply” buttons for earlier comments in the thread?

    Or – is anybody even checking back into the early comments for responses. I’m not going to bother. It appears to me that the best thing to do would be just post at the bottom.

    Good to see you, Bill of Boston. Glad you helped put the kibosh on “carol newquist,” if that’s what got rid of him, her, or it.

    BackRowHeckler – Are you Marlin? Good to see you, too.

    • Neon Vincent July 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

      “Is anybody using the “reply” buttons for earlier comments in the thread?”

      I am, and have been ever since the site re-launch.

      “Or – is anybody even checking back into the early comments for responses.”

      I did and saw that Janos called me Eddie. He can keep that up, but in return, I might call him Janus. That will set up my calling him Harvey Dent when the time is right.

      “It appears to me that the best thing to do would be just post at the bottom.”

      Doesn’t work for me.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

        So Ed, the Great City has fallen. Paris of the West is no more, just haunted by ghouls and orcs and a few unwise hipsters like yourself.

        Did you see this? Reaction? Have your gods gone crazy?


        Why must they die? So Whites can learn about “racism”!

        • anti dod July 19, 2013 at 10:47 am #

          Oh yes, the hateful mulatto! The college teacher.

        • Neon Vincent July 19, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

          “So Ed, the Great City has fallen. Paris of the West is no more, just haunted by ghouls and orcs and a few unwise hipsters like yourself.”

          Trying to taunt me with Detroit’s bankruptcy, Janus? You might think that might upset me, but the event is giving me an even stronger sense of mission. I’m already beginning to enjoy giving my readers a show from a front row seat. As I am found of saying, “Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit.”


    • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2013 at 9:39 am #

      Yup that’s me!

  128. Pucker July 18, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    Ms. Jeantel has to be some kind of bleak, ominous sign from the gods of some kind of imminent disaster…..

    A piece of goo blown out from the bowels of some hideous Hindu god, or something. Who knows?

    God Help Us!

    • Janos Skorenzy July 18, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

      Yes the gods – of the Copy Book Headings.

      Notice the Gorillas learned from these Gods while we ignored them to our peril.


      The Gods of the Copybook Headings


      AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
      I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
      Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

      We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
      That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
      But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
      So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

      We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
      Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
      But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
      That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

      With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
      They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
      They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
      So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

      When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
      They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
      But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

      On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
      (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
      Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

      In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
      By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
      But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

      Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
      And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
      That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

      As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
      There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
      That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
      And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

      And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
      When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
      As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
      The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


  129. beantownbill. July 19, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    Hey, Procon, how ya Doin’? Little by little the old gang seems to be coming back. y

    • beantownbill. July 19, 2013 at 12:14 am #

      Oops. I was gonna say, you, me, BT, Q, even Vlad coming back.

      Sometimes I’m really obtuse. It just didn’t occur to me that maybe Back Row Heckler is Marlin. if so, hello to you, too.

      JHK threatened to ban Carol for being disruptive, so maybe that’s what happened. But he banned Vlad and E, and they’ve returned under different names, as well as Asoka, so I expect her/it to return soon as well.

  130. Q. Shtik July 19, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    I can’t get this Rachel Jeantel character out of my mind. I envision one of the greatest SNL sketches ever. One piece of it would go something like this:

    A black character actor from the SNL team dresses up to look like Jeantel, exaggerated to the Nth degree (if that is even possible)…the orange “court nails,” the most unflattering “do” ever conceived, the face appearing to have been blown up with a bicycle pump etc., the bad black attitude look through narrowed eyes. Rachel know she about to be fucked wit.

    Zimmerman’s defense attorney (showing enormous upper teeth occupying the entire mouth cavity, but no lower teeth) is questioning Jeantel. He says:

    “Ms Jeantel, in regard to the term you allege Mr Martin used to describe Mr Zimmerman, namely, “creepy ass cracker,” would I be correct in assuming that, in the milieu in which you and Mr Martin operate culturally, that appellation is intended in a pejorative sense?”

    With a look that could kill she replies “Ah doan know wut da fuck you talkin bout.”

    The attorney replies “No, no, of course not.”

    No such SNL sketch will ever appear, of course, since poking fun at blacks is verboten. If Jeantel were white SNL would have a field day.

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    • Elmendorf July 19, 2013 at 5:29 am #

      Q. said:
      No such SNL sketch will ever appear, of course, since poking fun at blacks is verboten. If Jeantel were white SNL would have a field day.

      And that’s a point JHK, Fred Reed (Fred on Everything), and I have
      been have been saying for a long time. JHK even alluded to it in “Long Emergency” where he referred to black exceptionalism, especially among young black males, as a kind of perpetual adolescence.

      However, when even Jimmy Carter weighs on the defense’s side in this case one senses that the worm is turning about tolerance of the simply relentless gangsta/punk attitude of young black males. We must not forget that Zimmerman’s neighborhood had been repeatedly burgled and the perps were almost unanimously young black males. He wasn’t “profiling” Martin. He was simply going on a mass of existing data combined with the fact that he did not recognize Martin as a member of the neighborhood. Martin was NOT a permanent resident of the neighborhood.

      Can you imagine the indignation if a young white punk greeted an inquiry by a black neighborhood watchman with a punch in the nose and a few skull bashes? In a way, I think this incident will be good for the country because it will put the seed of doubt in punks of ANY color about greeting people doing their duty with brutality. They just might be carrying. Gangsta/punk behavior is also on the rise in the white and Hispanic populations. It’s time that they get the fear of God in their entitled little brains.


      • ozone July 19, 2013 at 8:26 am #

        “Can you imagine the indignation if a young white punk greeted an inquiry by a black neighborhood watchman with a punch in the nose and a few skull bashes? In a way, I think this incident will be good for the country because it will put the seed of doubt in punks of ANY color about greeting people doing their duty with brutality. They just might be carrying. Gangsta/punk behavior is also on the rise in the white and Hispanic populations. It’s time that they get the fear of God in their entitled little brains.”

        Again, it’s part of a ‘big picture’ issue that no one wants to acknowledge. (Forest for trees, etc., etc.)

        When times get tough (and get tough, they most certainly will) all this behavior will no longer be tolerated. Coercion, peace-keeping enforcement, tribute and violence will all be accrued to/handled by the professionals. Vicious punks will either have to “make their bones” and join up as low-caste journeymen or be unceremoniously dumped in the gutter with a slit throat. (Bullets are valuable, you realize, and shallow graves provide no warning factor.)

        In case no one has noticed, our own gum’mint has turned into a criminal organization that rules by threat of violence and incarceration. Consent? My, what a quaint concept!

        Try not to worry too much about punk-asses; they’re not long for this world unless they go ‘professional’. (Take a peek at who the military is hiring these fine days.)

        • Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 11:35 am #

          Thank you. This is what Jim and I have been saying for years. Glad you’re finally starting to get it.

      • ozone July 19, 2013 at 8:42 am #

        I had meant to say that acknowledging that this punk-ass behavior will not continue, is to acknowledge that the country is in the process of collapse. That is too much for most to contemplate (witness the undue confidence in the ‘big banks’), so the focus remains on a behavior rather than preparing for something much bigger and scarier, with troops in the streets (until they can no longer be afforded and shake out their separate fiefdoms by cadre and murder).

        There’s your Clusterfuck Supreme.
        If the gum’mint isn’t stocking massive hoards of food to pacify, bribe and control the masses with, they’re MUCH bigger fools than even I take them for. Sure, some people will starve quietly, believing ‘help to be on the way’, but others will not…

      • San Jose July 19, 2013 at 1:11 pm #

        Breaking and entering, especially during the daytime when people are at work, is a problem in my neighborhood.

        Thus various neighborhoods are hiring a company called “Taps Patrol” to add the security that the San Jose Police department can’t provide because they’re too busy trying to stop a big wave of gang violence between various subgroups of the Nortenos and Suranos.

        As long as they get 30 sign-ups within a neighborhood, (Cost is $30/month), they’ll keep an eye out for suspicious activities, and closely monitor your home if you are away on a trip.

        I haven’t signed up because I don’t want to spend that much money. Besides, I have a house alarm and a 3 pound Maltese named Lola, who makes a big racket when anyone approaches the front door.

        San Jose Mom

        • Elmendorf July 19, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

          Wow, SJM, I”m sorry that your neighborhood, probably once a quiet and safe place, has become “collateral damage” in San Jose’s increasing crime. I have a friend who is an SJSU professor who thought her neighborhood near the University was “safe”. There have been two gun killings in that “safe” neighborhood”.

          The gang turf wars of which you speak have affected sleepy old Santa Cruz which is a town of only 54,000 residents. Right downtown near Pacific Avenue there were two drive-by killings. Now, parents who walk downtown with their little children probably are pausing to do so or, if it’s dark, maybe aren’t even doing it at all.

          That’s the problem with violence. The lifestyles of tens of thousands of people can be held hostage by a couple dozen punk-asses who justly deserve to be “Zimmerman-ed”.


    • anti dod July 19, 2013 at 10:53 am #

      It was life chasing art. She is a real life ‘Precious’. Some Black offered to pay her college tuition to a HBC. The 19 year old about to get her ‘sheepskin’ that she caynt reed cause she doesnt do cursive.
      The ‘very smart B student’, who at 19 still needs a year of HS.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 11:50 am #

        Remember a piece of coal is just a diamond in the rough. The difference is just a bit of polishing – a few millions years worth – called by some Evolution.

    • anti dod July 19, 2013 at 10:54 am #

      ‘verboten’, a German term? Whats the yid term for forbidden?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 11:33 am #

      What, no banana? That would be the best part…

  131. Q. Shtik July 19, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    Detroit files the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history.

    Just like Asoka predicted 6 mos ago……….NOT!!

  132. Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    To a Liberal, calling a Black a Nigger is a capital crime, far worse than a Black killing a White. Why? Because the former has political significance and the latter doesn’t. And everything is political with Liberals, even moral issues. Likewise, Blacks killing each other doesn’t matter either. So do they really care about Blacks – as opposed to having the right views about them?

    And of course, Blacks are the same way. One Black death at the hands of a White trumps thousands of deaths of Blacks by Blacks. This explains why they don’t care about Black slavery in Africa. What’s in it for them? How does that get them anything from their evil God, the White Man?

    • Elmendorf July 19, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

      The truth about slavery itself has become a hostage of “political correctness”. Whites did not cavort around the bushes and veldts of Africa to capture slaves for sale. African natives did this to capture their own and put them up for sale. To borrow Al Gore’s phrase, this is another “inconvenient truth” that has been ordered back to the “cold case files” of history.


      • Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

        The Jewish merchants who owned, captioned, and sometimes crewed many of the slave ships is the third leg of the tripod of American Slavery – also ignored. Whites are the universal scape goat now. Where’s the much celebrated White Privilege?

      • BackRowHeckler July 19, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

        Most of the slavers in the 19th century were Black Muslims operating out of Zanzibar. The British weren’t able to end it until about 1890.

    • anti dod July 20, 2013 at 9:39 am #

      • Blacks are 5 times more likely to commit violence against the person.
      • Blacks are 4 times ‘more likely’ to commit sexual offences.
      • Blacks are 15 times ‘more likely’ to commit robbery.
      • Blacks are over 6 times ‘more likely’ to commit fraud and forgery.
      • Blacks are over twice as likely to commit criminal damage.
      • Black are 5 times ‘more likely’ to commit drugs offences.

      Link doesn’t work lately, for obvious reasons.

  133. BackRowHeckler July 19, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    Wait a minute. The Detroit Lions just signed their Quarterback to a $52 million deal!. There’s plenty of cash up in Motor City.

  134. Q. Shtik July 19, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

    Time to change subjects.

    I, and family members, have been smacked upside the head taxwise twice in as may days with a 2 by 4 that has been soaking for months in oil. Depending on your own particular life circumstances these two tax revelations (or others of which I’m not aware) may or may not affect YOU.

    I apologize if this tax minutiae is excruciatingly boring for you…that’s what scroll wheels are for.

    Let’s take my problem first, then I’ll move on to my son’s problem.

    As a person 65 years old or greater and a NJ resident homeowner I have enjoyed receiving a property tax reimbursement on the order of $1,500. In year 2011 the key criterion was that the total of ALLL your income, from whatever source and whether taxable or exempt must not exceed $82,880. No problem, my total didn’t even come close. But then in 2012 the threshold figure changed and not by a little, but drastically. It was lowered to $70,000. I learned of this change 2 days ago which is to say more than 6 months after the end of 2012 during which I might have been able to take actions to reduce my total income (which was $71,700) and thereby make myself still eligible for the $1500 prop tax reimbursement.

    During 2012 I sold a couple of stocks on which I had capital gains. I could have held those stocks or could have sold some losers to offset those gains. I also had some dividend income which I might have avoided by owning non-div paying stocks instead . In any case had I known in a timely manner that the threshold was going to drop to $70K I could have taken appropriate action.

    This is some sneaky shit our State government has pulled here.

    My son’s problem is even more egregious. He is a federal govt employee affected by the “sequester.” He is being “furloughed” one day each week for an 11 week period that began recently and will end Sept 30th, the end of the govt’s fiscal year. I say “end” but in reality it is very likely the sequester will extend through 2014 and beyond unless a hue and cry causes political action to discontinue it.

    But forgetting for the moment anything beyond 9/30/13 lets see how the sequestration screwing actually gets levered up to a much bigger screwing.

    For 11 weeks my son’s income is cut by 20%. He has two sons, ages 16 mos and 2.5 mos, both conceived before any knowledge of the sequestration. He has a sizable house mortgage. His entire life and all his expenses are based on his job income. Over the years he has contributed to a TSP (“Thrift Savings Plan,”) the govt equivalent to a 401k or an IRA. Now he doesn’t have enough money to meet mortgage payments and all his other expenses which are essentially fixed. Diapers alone are like a car payment.

    So where will he get the money to replace the 20% loss of income from the furlough? He will have to withdraw it from his TSP. He believes he will need to withdraw about $6000 over this 11 week period. As he began to consider this in detail he realized that when you withdraw from these plans you have to pay the taxes that were deferred. The default number is 10% although you could choose to pay more. But that’s not all. Since you are withdrawing prior to age 59.5 you have to pay a 10% PENALTY. After taxes and penalty his withdrawal has shrunk to $4800. If he really DOES need $6000 in his pocket to get by he needs to withdraw $7500 of which $750 goes to tax and another $750 to penalty, leaving $6000.

    I said, but wait a minute, as I recall there were certain exceptions where a person could make a withdrawal and NOT have to pay a 10% penalty. One of those exceptions was if you had medical expenses of 7.5% or more of adjusted gross income. My son said he believed that for 2012 they would just about reach the 7.5% threshold. I said that’s great, that will save you $600 or more in penalty.

    Today I received an email from my son saying that he just discovered the 7.5% threshold has been raised to 10%. This new threshold is effective immediately for people under 65. For people over 65 the new percentage kicks in 1/1/16.

    Do any of you CFN commenters itemize medical expenses on your tax returns? You may have a big problem.

    • ozone July 21, 2013 at 7:20 am #

      Ain’t that a kick in the cojones?
      Now you get a direct feel for how underground economies get rolling.
      If one is forced to play both ends against the middle, dealing with outlawed criminal organizations becomes an essential. (Although both the gum’mint thieves and street thieves take things that are not due them, one organization is ‘legal’ and the other isn’t.)

  135. Elmendorf July 19, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    Oil is now at an incredible $109/barrel. That’s the problem with Bernankean stimulation … the “recovery” it creates is mostly malinvestment and narrowly benefits one tiny sliver of America. But the money thrown at our problems creates serious inflation in just the places in one’s life where there’s no choice about whether to make a purchase or not … energy, health care, and interest rates on all manner of loans (home, car, etc.).

    It’s a tragic farce that the tiny sliver with some money to spend have chosen NOT to make massive investments in new plants and equipment. They’re using it to drive the stock indices up. In classical economics TRUE investment is precisely investment in business growth. Securities are considered speculation, NOT “investment”.


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    • Being There July 20, 2013 at 6:48 am #

      When I’m not calling this inverted communism, I refer to it as an economy of perverse incentives.

      Which city is next to declare bankruptcy and what privatizing forces will come in play? Yes it sets the table for private gain. Perhaps all the concentrated money can by a city.

  136. janet July 19, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    E. said: “Oil is now at an incredible $109/barrel.”

    And that is a good thing!

    We will never reach “peak oil” and I’ve got the research to back up that statement (from scientific studies published in the peer-reviewed Journal Environmental Science and Technology.)

    The cutoff date for peak oil – assumed for many years to be 2035 – is not going to happen (No “crunch time” for you, E.) according to leading scientists and engineers. Thanks to rising prices oil use will continue to drop. Great news for alternative energy development!

    Fossil fuels will continue to be produced in industrialized countries, but in many parts of the globe the actual physical requirement for oil-fuelled transportation and energy systems is already in decline. (This observation is backed up by sources at the International Energy Agency, where concerns over the potential peak in oil production have already “been moved to the back burner.”)

    “Just a few years ago, everybody thought US production was in permanent decline, that the nation had to face the prospect of continuously rising imports – and now the country is moving towards self-sufficiency,” said Antoine Halff, head of oil markets at the IEA, in a recent interview with the BBC. “In the last few years, many forecasters have had to revise their forecasts upwards continuously – sometimes the ink was not dry on the previous forecasts before they had to raise their outlooks again.”

    Land transportation will become more efficient in time, with a number of governments and multinational companies instigating innovative engineering research and development programs for efficiency and reduced consumption.

    There is also the consideration that passenger travel has leveled out in a number of regions. It is good news all around.

    Don’t worry, be happy.

    • Being There July 20, 2013 at 8:26 am #

      Of all places, I saw a friend on FB saying that she paid $4.55 per gallon on premium today….Oh this economy is just humming along–no need to worry, though.

      Peak oil doesn’t mean running completely outta the stuff….

      I recommend for everyone to view Gasland2 on HBO. It’s brilliant at illlustrating the way the PR firms of the corporations use military psy-ops on the people here in the US. This is against the law for the military, but someone forgot about privatized use of psy-ops.

      BP did not allow planes to fly close enough to the water to show what it looked like and then manned the phones of municipalities instead of government. Yes, we are a colony of transnational corps and banks, now. It will be complete with the fast-tracking of the TPP.

      Oh, one last thing about GL2. An ordinary citizen who’s land was ravaged by fracking against his will said, “there’s no such thing as private property” in America. Only for the top .05%. It’s inverted communism, no transparency and poverty for the rest of us.

      Free markets are only for the untouchables who hate the rule of law.

  137. BleatToTheBeat July 19, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    OK Fuckers,




  138. janet July 19, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

    One area that the researchers feel will delay the theoretical arrival of a peak oil level is the alternative energy industry. The high global price of oil has seen an increase in the level of interest in solar and wind power projects, not just in the traditionally oil-hungry United States, while natural gas and biofuels have become significant competition to traditional fossil fuels in a variety of industry sectors.

    “There is an overabundance of concern about oil depletion and not enough attention focused on the substitutes for conventional oil and other possibilities for reducing our dependence on oil,” noted Adam Brandt, co-author and assistant professor of energy resources engineering at Stanford’s School of Earth Sciences. “Our study is agnostic on what mix of oil substitutes emerges…”

  139. willr July 19, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

    i am simply amazed that the JHK community harbored so many out-and-out-racists. Do you folks even know any black folks?

    • Janos Skorenzy July 19, 2013 at 8:26 pm #


      Be sure and note the short paragraph towards the end: Whites outnumber Blacks 5 to 1. Yet Black assaults on Whites out number the reverse 8 to 1. Multiply the numbers: Black Males are 40 times more dangerous than White Males.

      Even Liberals are beginning to wake up. The Truth is simply what is before any political spin. Our Ancestors were right about Blacks, and later commentators influenced by Liberalism were wrong. It’s time to go back, back to the Truth. As Mr Kunstler said in The Long Emergency, Black misbehavior is no longer going to be tolerated.

      • BleatToTheBeat July 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

        Vlad, as usual, you are worrying about the wrong thing. I can overlook this for one simple reason. You are clearly not drinking enough.

        Have you asked yourself what you are doing?

        Was there no reply?

        Get Outside.

        Better enjoy it while it lasts.


        • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 1:53 am #

          If I’m Vlad, who are you? And btw, since you didn’t dispute the figure I assume you accept it as true. And if you are Ok with it, that shows a profound disorder in your self.

      • anti dod July 20, 2013 at 9:45 am #

        1,018 Black Americans murdered by Black Americans since Trayvon Martin’s death 47 days ago

        Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 / free republic.com

      • handyman July 20, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

        And you believe your kind will be tolerated as we try to rebuild a society? Dream your fevered dreams of genocide while you can, you’ll be much more alone than you think. You will be a danger to everyone around you as you are too unstable to trust when the chips are down. Shunned by everyone except your own hate-curdled monsters. Enjoy your long emergency.

  140. Pucker July 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    [The Black Horse of Oil ]

    Revelation 6:5-6
    5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
    (–Authorized King James Version)


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  141. Pucker July 19, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    “I believe in Miracles…
    Since ya came along…
    You sexy thang…
    You sexy thang…you….”


  142. janet July 19, 2013 at 10:32 pm #

    “Most discussions [of peak oil] start with the Hubbert Curve, but really should go back a bit further. In the late 19th century geologists came to understand the Kerogen cycle, by which (mostly) plant matter dies; is deposited into sedimentary soil; under heat and pressure is cooked through various petroleum stages ending with methane. The methane seeps out of the soil and into the atmosphere where sunlight decomposes it into water vapor and carbon dioxide and it is reabsorbed by living plants through photosynthesis.

    However, under just the right conditions pockets of petroleum could get trapped between rock formations. If you drilled into those formations petroleum would come rushing up to the surface. It was basically on this insight alone that the entire conventional oil exploration business was founded. In the 1950s, along comes Hubbert and he notices that for the heavier petroleum – not so much for methane – cumulative extraction follows a logistic curve and hence once can predict the point where the extraction rate will be at its maximum. That’s the peak in Peak Oil.

    This is where the science gets “cluttery.” None of this, so far,says anything about the vast kerogen cycle in general or what one might do to tap into it. It is only about these little pockets. Some Peak Oil enthusiast will acknowledge this by saying “only the tiniest fraction of petroleum can be profitably extracted” Not to be too glib here but one’s response has to be “how do you know, have you tried?” Because the answer is no, they haven’t tried. No one until recently tried. Because, why would you. We had not yet exhausted the over 100 year-old insight that a lot of this stuff gets trapped in little pockets. Not only that, but people were getting absurdly rich just by being the first one to find a new pocket. It was like a 100 year long gold rush.

    To wit, the core of the Peak Oil hypothesis could be summed up as: sometime in the not so distant future we need to put some effort into finding new oil extraction techniques. This might be easy in which case there will be plenty more cheap oil. Or, it might be hard, in which case either we can switch to something else or, as with most every other good on earth, we will want to devote some fraction of our time and energy to continually pushing the technological frontier. And, while this is superficially true, it leads you to no deep conclusion and provides no serious insight into the future of humanity or the global economy.” –Karl Smith

  143. Q. Shtik July 19, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

    The following is attributed to Ben Stein:


    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…..but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.”

    “And now, any of those that refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.”

    • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 1:51 am #

      Mark Stein or Steyn had a good one today while sitting in for Rush. The Amnesty Bill will prosecute the third time an individual is found with a false passport.

      • anti dod July 20, 2013 at 9:46 am #

        Or a family of 10 can make 29 passports, be caught and walk. Disgusting.

    • anti dod July 20, 2013 at 9:49 am #

      USA colleges requiring ‘global citizenship’ classes and indoctrination.
      While giving special scholarships to illegals.

  144. Pucker July 19, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    [The Black Horse of Oil ] Revelation 6:5-6
    5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.


  145. Karah July 19, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

    “One could even go so far as to say that in recent years, when investigative journalism has been so dramatically de-emphasized at the major newspapers and at the big television news networks, Rolling Stone’s role as a source of hard-news reporting has been magnified. In other words, we’re more than ever a hard news outlet in a business where long-form reporting is becoming more scarce.

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/explaining-the-rolling-stone-cover-by-a-boston-native-20130719#ixzz2ZYEt1kwH
    Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook”

    …and you could also make the argument that Playboy has great “hard” news, interviews and jokes…another mag to which JHK has contributed an article. Okay, he makes a great defense for the mag and I haven’t read the RS magazine in question because I don’t subscribe anymore and I was also shocked at the over-sensitivity. This is America, still, isn’t it? I’m starting to wonder about how our country’s able to have intelligent discussions about what’s really happening on the street. The street is figurative, of course, because very few people actually spend time there; a communal environment of any kind that isn’t focused on emotionally driven activities. He mentioned sports which is the main reason for why anyone was downtown to hurt. What’s the Boston downtown area look like when sports, parades, marches, etc. aren’t being conducted? That’s a question I’d like to ask Mr. Ex-Bostonite.
    My guess is it looks like any other major downtown and becomes a wasteland after 5PM except for the sports bars and beer joints. I really don’t have any reason to care about a place like Boston but I do care about the people who were there and I never ever want to see anyone hurt like that again the rest of my life. So, what can we do to stop it from happening again Anywhere U.S.A.? Suspend all foreign student VISAs? They can always learn via the INTERNET. The whole “multi-culturalism” experiment that started, like JHK said, with the forced emigration of the Africans, isn’t working out. I think it’s because, like President Obama said, some people just can’t let go of their collective pasts; native americans and trail of tears, jews and nazi persecution, blacks and slavery, russians and chechens, protestants and catholics…
    the list is endless and excludes no one. I think everyone here has something in their family’s past they could relate as a reason for being overly sensitive and for having difficulty accepting our nations rule of law. A lot of people don’t think a young man like Tsarnaev or a young black man or mexican drug lords can be rehabilitated in our prison systems. They’re probably right because prisons usually intensify and amplify the prejudices of humans instead of forcing them to integrate and forcing them to fill their time with other things besides fantasies about the afterlife or getting out on a technicality.
    The U.S.A. imprisons more people than any other country in the world, I think, because most other countries just kill them, deny them services or they flee the country. Snowden fled because why? He feared death. Isn’t that the sentence for treason? These three prominent cases dealing with the lives of young men; Tsarnaev, Zimmerman, Snowden, must be informing us about something other than there are bad people in the world. This level of badness at such an early stage in these men’s development ties into the topic of ANXIETY.

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    • beantownbill. July 20, 2013 at 12:20 am #

      You make it seem so simple: some people just can’t let go of the past. Actually it’s more complicated than that.

      Individuals are known to suffer from PTSD. Most people seem to treat the victims of PTSD with a certain amount of sympathy and understanding. Treatments exist for this condition that help sufferers cope with the problem.

      Well, I say the same syndrome can affect an entire culture. Africans were torn away from their native cultures and forced to live in a strange new land as slaves. I’d guess the entire American Black culture has suffered from PTSD foe it’s entire history. Current Black behavior can be described as symptomatic of this.

      PTSD, I would guess, must be treated in a particular manner. American problem-solving methodology typically has been to throw money at an issue. We have done this with Blacks. What.are entitlement programs but throwing money at a social issue? This hasn’t worked because that is not the solution to cultural PTSD. So what is an effective solution? I don’t know, I’m not a shrink or a sociologist, but clearly we haven’t applied the proper course of treatment. Urban renewal, welfare, section 8 and other such monetary-driven problems don’t resolve anything.

      Jews and the Holocaust, and native-Americans and their problems can be similarly explained. Although I’m not fond of African-American gangsta culture and its outward manifestations, I am sympathetic to the Black dilemma.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

        We can’t afford that theory anymore. When will they come around? Another two generations? We don’t have the time. It’s more prudent and reasonable to assume that if they haven’t assimilated by now they never will. Most can’t and those that can don’t wish to.

        Black malfunction is a global phenomena anyway. We have to assume this as our working hypothesis and get busy on finding a humane way to separate ourselves from them.

        Jews founded the NAACP as a way to break down White America. Although some Jews really believe as you do, most want nothing to do with Blacks beyond using them as pawns. Blacks became aware of this generations ago – along with the huge Jewish role in the slave trade.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

        Further proof, as if more was needed: as Blacks gained civil rights, their behavior worsened in tandem. So even if you were right, what can be done? It’s like cheating on your spouse: if she doesn’t really forgive you, are you going to walk on egg shells the rest of your life? But in fact, Blacks are just like this and always seek to blame others. One of Obama’s half brothers wrote a book about this. He pointed out that Indonesia was on a level comparable to Black Africa but was raised up by Colonialism. They benefited but Black Africa could not and is falling back into savagery.

        Where do you stand on Zimmerman and the verdict?

        Wait, did you just admit Jewish behavior leaves something to be desired? In which case, same response: they’ll do it every time.

        • beantownbill. July 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

          I think the Zimmerman verdict was correct.

          I don’t agree Jews are behaving badly because they are so wrapped up in the Holocaust.

      • Karah July 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm #

        Nah, I don’t believe the blacks can OWN a particular plight that the have-nots, non-white, non-male, disabled, societies all share: prejudice and discrimination. Like I tried to explain in my school uniform argument, there will always be differences, real or imaginary, in order for one group to dominate or compete with another (if they can get you to VALUE the difference). There’s a myth that is being perpetrated by black people (particularly a colored female senator/representative) that there is VALUE to being white and male. That’s not true. Martin Luther King said we should be focused on the content of our character and NOT skin color. We can ignore color and focus on who we are as people (we can act white or black or indian if we wanna AND be accepted as if we ARE that color). Our skin color plays a very minor role in how we conduct ourselves as free citizens and how we react to ANY kind of prejudice or discrimination. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  146. Pucker July 19, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    I think that Philip Zimbardo’s research proves that most people rather mindlessly assume the identities of the roles that they play and masks that they wear. Those who don the uniform of the prison guard, in fact, become prison guards. Those who don the uniform of the prisoner, in fact, become prisoners. I understand that when they had Obama attempt to infiltrate the Black Panthers many years ago, Obama by donning the Black Panther “look”, started to act like a Black Panther in front of his white grandmother, which I suspect rather freaked her out.

    Thus, perhaps one way to dramatically improve the lives of young black males in the U.S. would be for parents and schools to force young black males to wear appropriate school uniforms, rather than permitting young black males to dress up like “gangstas”.

    • Karah July 20, 2013 at 12:05 am #

      Then they’ll just determine who is superior by their ADIDAS tennis shoes or their I-phone/pad/shuffle or their snap pens or their backpacks or what their parents pack for lunch or if they have to eat the dreaded cafeteria mystery meat…

      There’s no human solution to this problem. People just have to stop being this way or that way which is impossible for the majority of people who LOVE being anxious or causing anxiety in others.

      RS is an alternative culture magazine that focuses on young people and trends in music, the market, politics, etc. It’s a fashion magazine that wants to be more to people but fails to do so for a lot of young people including myself. When the staff gets over their shock at not being “popular” for having attention grabbing, often provocative, covers, they will have grown up as a hard news magazine. They’ll understand why they’re a magazine and not a newspaper. They’ll know why they’re not TIME or NEWSWEEK (out of print) or NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. It’s sort of like the son saying to the father, “If YOU can do it then why can’t I?” Music had nothing to do with what is happening in the world. Music and Entertainment are left for the last in most newspapers for the exact reason our RS defender said, to ESCAPE reality. We can no longer escape who we are by donning more “uniforms”. We simply have to step out of the mold and figure out who we really are and want to be. Music may help a few people break free.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

      Yes it is so. Remember how the wind kept blowing different hats onto Elmer Fudd and how he changed accordingly?

  147. BleatToTheBeat July 19, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    If I must be thankful for something, I’m going with being thankful for no obligation to a “word count”.

    I get to watch the passing of generations this week.

    Somehow, the words just don’t mean shit.

    Best Wishes,

    Charles Darwin

  148. Pucker July 20, 2013 at 2:54 am #

    ‘….or if they have to eat the dreaded cafeteria mystery meat…”

    Many of the US public high schools openly advertise on their school websites the lunch menu for the month.

    Whenever there’s another high school mass shooting in the U.S., I always check the relevant high school’s website to see what the victims were eating at the time of the carnage in the cafeteria.

    When I was a prisoner in high school, lunch always began with the short prayer: “For what we’re about to receive, MAKE US TRULY THANKFUL.”

    • BackRowHeckler July 20, 2013 at 7:15 am #

      Pucker school prayer ended in 1962. Unless of course you attended a Parochial High School.

  149. BackRowHeckler July 20, 2013 at 6:39 am #

    Gasoline has topped $4 per gallon here. Its on TV news, and local politicians, once again, vow to do something about it. What I don’t know. But our State Rep is looking into the matter. High fuel prices are presented not as a possible civilization ending condition, but as a minor inconvenience, easily rectified by wise legislation and a lateral move into ‘Renewables’.


  150. janet July 20, 2013 at 8:43 am #

    Exactly. American anxiety is easing because Obama has assured supply for the coming decades. It may be at $4 or $5 a gallon, but that is preferable to 3-mile long gas lines and spot shortages complete with rioting. Slowly people will change their driving habits. It is already happening at just $4 a gallon. Voluntary restriction of excess discretionary consumption … just like Budiswizer wants. And the higher gas prices have the added bonus of making renewable alternatives price competitive.

    “Ironically, the unexpected U.S. domestic production gains of oil and gas also are fueling Obama’s reenergized “green energy” drive in his second term, after it stalled in his first. Obama’s plan to transition to greener and more sustainable energy in the future would be harder to sell to the public without the energy security provided by the resurgent production of domestic fossil fuels, which will still supply around 80 percent of U.S. energy for decades to come.”

    Few on CFN seem to understand, appreciate this reality. Sustainable green energy is the future and Obama has purchased a few decades of time to get there.

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  151. janet July 20, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    “Few on CFN seem to understand, appreciate this reality. Sustainable green energy is the future and Obama has purchased a few decades of time to get there.”


    That’s because the man is playing chess, with long-term vision.

    CFN is playing checkers, hoping for near-term collapse.

  152. Q. Shtik July 20, 2013 at 10:32 am #

    As Fred said, blacks have proved to be immiscible. See these incredible shots. They make Jeantel look almost classy. And to think, I grew up only a few miles from where these “people” are partying. Some of these kids may live on the block where Walt Whitman lived. The mind reels. Do any of their parents or aunts or uncles or President Obama cringe at the sight of this?


    • BackRowHeckler July 20, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      Walt Whitman might approve. He was into some pretty weird stuff himself.

      • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

        Have you read Leaves of Grass? He was an evolutionist who saw the dark races as far behind but sans any hatred on that account. He would have hated the idea of miscegenation though.

    • Janos Skorenzy July 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

      Black immiscibility is beyond doubt. These pictures are simply a validation of all that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers believed. And think of it the other way – how utterly alien we are to them. We are “uptight”, a term they invented. To them we are weak, cold, shy, etc. They reject us even at the level of clothing. Their wearing t shirts down to their knees shows a tendency of going back to wearing robes.

      As Lincoln said to a delegation of Blacks who went to the White House, we suffer from each other’s presence. The only alternatives are separation or miscibility via miscegenation – which is unthinkable to any thinking White with any pride in his heritage.

      Let the Bucks and the Bees choose since the status quo is not viable and before the wood of the fence enters their souls via their asses.

      • handyman July 20, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

        I’m your basic american mongrel with scots, irish, welsh, english, german, amerind, and possibly african (there’s a legend among my family’s elders that one of my great-greats “passed” as white). My birth certificate says that I’m “caucasian”.
        Are you saying that now we’ll have to accept you slavic types as one of “us” too? Horrors!!!
        By the way, I’ve blonde hair and green eyes, does this mean one of the “mixed” bloods might be sneaking up on you and you not be aware?
        Seriously, I live in Alabama, work with my hands with and for blacks and whites equally and despite people like ya’ll, it gets a little better every year between the races. Mainly because people like ya’ll are dying off. Go back to Stormfront, little troll, and contemplate your mortality.

    • Elmendorf July 20, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

      I’ve got to say it … those pics are HILARIOUS. A high school prom full of kids looking like pimps and whores.


      • handyman July 20, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

        “The joy of watching their unselfconscious innocence is tinged with melancholy knowing that the world they are inheriting is going to grind down their natural optimism and wonderment. So I try to focus on their moment as well as my own.”

        So I reckon these kids moments are gone, and thus fodder for your elitist amusement. Take another moment to read the comments below the article. Apparently it was a setup for racist merriment. Still laughing?
        Damn, with you and Jockstrap or whatever his name is, and the other racist shits that have taken over the blog, teotwawki just can’t come fast enough. World Made By Hand? World Full Of Assholes would seem to fit better. As for the rest of your poetic post down below, we have a saying down here in the real world: a cow patty with a flower in it is still bullshit.

      • anti dod July 21, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

        The pix have circulated for years as an email. I got them years ago from a once Riche Middle Eastern guy who made his million in Rap “music’. He titled them ‘thats Ghetto’ [or someone else did].
        The pix are not from one prom or party.

        Black Culture is still an idea.

  153. Carol Newquist July 20, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    And that is a good thing!

    Thank you janet for pointing this out. I understood the expectation of A World Made By Hand to be a good thing, as Martha’s fond of saying. But the resident racists who post to CFN lament its arrival, and perhaps by doing so delay their appointment with it. Can they make up their minds? Do they want A World Made By Hand, or not? If they do, then they should advocate for the dissolution of corporations and the corporate structure, yet the majority of them support this form of human (or should we say inhuman?) organization that has usurped and precluded A World Made By Hand and implemented and perpetuated A World Made By Gluttonous Nincompoops.

    $200 oil? Bring it the fuck on now!! It can’t come soon enough….if the Conjurers of Collapse are to be believed.

  154. beantownbill. July 20, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    I, for one, don’t want to see us devolve technologically. While going back to the 1800’s may offer certain benefits, losing the knowledge we’ve gained about how the universe works is way too costly. I’m not cheering the rising cost of oil because that brings suffering, and though H. Sapiens generally sucks, I still feel people’s pain.

    The only reasonable attitude to adopt is to prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.

    I also feel too many people’s hatred being manifested here on CFN, as evidenced by the glee some posters feel when they consider TEOTWAWKI.

    • Elmendorf July 20, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

      Not me, Bill. I want TEOTWAWKI delayed as long as possible so that I can enjoy retirement like my parents did. The last thing I want is a social meltdown.

      I follow your advice by spending lots of time with my friends, enjoying reading (especially biographies … they remind me that there were more refined people at other times in history), listening to music, walking in the woods in front of Stanford U., and doing a few civic-minded deeds.

      There’s not much we can do about the juggernaut in progress but a good life can be lived as long as one doesn’t watch the evening news too much.


      • beantownbill. July 20, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

        Yeah, there’s a lot of good things to do in life. I like being with friends and family. I especially like to spend time with my 3 year old granddaughter. I get a lot of joy being with her, but sometimes, when I watch her total innocence, I feel sad knowing she’s going to lose so much of it.

        I miss the generally refined manners of the days of my youth. I’m not talking about refinement to the point of being effete, but displays refinement that speak to respect for others. Unfortunately, those days are probably gone for the remainder of my life. Or maybe I really mean politeness.

        I don’t have the time or energy to read as much as I used to. I live a pretty busy life, what with work and all. I wasn’t wise in my youth and I burnt the existential and financial candles at both ends. I’ve been self- employed for many years, so I don’t have a pension, and I must work if I want to continue to live the lifestyle I’m used to. I live a pretty good life – as long as I continue to produce income. That’s one of the main reasons I don’t want the world to go to hell. What a loss that would be. But whatever happens, happens. A good dose of fatalism can be good for you.

        • Elmendorf July 20, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

          The virtue of “fatalism” is that it makes today and this moment far more precious than if one is too much of a pollyanna and can afford a “manana” attitude.

          I also miss the refined manners of the days of my youth. I think that the SPEED of modern life is a detriment to manners. It makes people more irritable and self-absorbed. I’m sure you’ve seen that latest “shock statistic” that 76% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. If that continues year after year, I reckon it would cause a lapse into a kind of reckless hedonism with the formula being “My life sucks so if I’m imprudent or narcissistic it can’t make it suck even more.”

          I’m not fortunate to be a granddad like you but when I’m out having late afternoon coffee with friends one of my simple pleasures is to watch the comedy and innocence of little kids when they’re at that 2-4 age range and the simplest things like a water fountain, crunching Autumn leaves, or eating a chocolate ice cream cone gives them delirious joy.

          The joy of watching their unselfconscious innocence is tinged with melancholy knowing that the world they are inheriting is going to grind down their natural optimism and wonderment. So I try to focus on their moment as well as my own.


          • Being There July 21, 2013 at 6:58 am #

            Reading your posts, I can’t help but want to share these lyrics by Mick Jagger at the time of our youth when things were better–but perhaps that is an illusion.

            The main reason why I like Q on this site is that he cares about language and I think correct use of language even with writers is going downhill.

            As Tear Go By

            It is the evening of the day
            I sit and watch the children play
            Smiling faces I can see
            But not for me
            I sit and watch
            As tears go by

            My riches can’t buy everything
            I want to hear the children sing
            All I hear is the sound
            Of rain falling on the ground
            I sit and watch
            As tears go by

            It is the evening of the day
            I sit and watch the children play
            Doin things I used to do
            They think are new
            I sit and watch
            As tears go by

  155. Pucker July 20, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

    I’ve noticed that in China some of the younger generation seem to derive vicarious psychological pleasure at the idea of Collapse and the idea that there’s some imminent disaster lurking around-the-bend.

    I guess that if a young person has nothing to look forward to, no reasonably-paying job, and, therefore, no realistic way to afford the apartment, car, etc. that are necessary to afford a girl friend, and eventually a family, kids, retirement, etc., then one may derive some comfort that the rich people who enjoy such things may soon be derived of their privileges? A bit like awaiting for another Cultural Revolution brought about not by human political agitation, but rather by economic and environmental Collapse.

    In any case, it appears that large swaths of the population may not resist Collapse. They may be awaiting the chance to RAMPAGE.

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  156. Pucker July 20, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    What’s the difference between Bozo-the-Clown and Ernest Angley? “Plenty of prizes, fun and excitement, and Miracles on the Bozo/ Ernest Angley Hour!”

    I suspect that many of the Bozo kids eventually became evangelical Christian cult members, or followers of some to..ta..li,,tarian leader?


  157. Pucker July 20, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    Bozo was on the TV the other night telling everybody about how he cares for his “son” Trayvon Martin, and how he identifies with Trayvon. Bozo said that “before being elected to the US Senate and then President”, he experienced emotional trauma having on many occasions been followed and “racially profited” in stores and public places by white people like Zimmerman.

    …and then he was elected to the US Senate and the Presidency…by white people…..

  158. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 12:27 am #

    Bozo failed to recognize that Zimmerman prior to the shooting was a volunteer mentor to 2 black kids whose fathers are in prison.

    Bozo also failed to mention that Bozo was raised by his white grand parents and attended a prestigious white prep school in Hawaii.

    • Elmendorf July 21, 2013 at 4:28 am #

      Unfortunately, it’s been so politically correct to be anything but white for so long that it has emboldened people of color, especially blacks, to say the most absurd things because there’s never any consequence for being wildly incorrect. We all know that if white people even say FACTUAL things that are uncomplimentary to people of color they are “incorrect” simply in the saying.

      Look at Sharpton and Jackson and the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Did either of those braying asses utter a word of apology after they were proved wildly incorrect? The never, ever will or it will be a meek footnote in an obscure magazine.

      I still maintain that the Zimmerman/Martin affair is a blessing in disguise. It will stop white people from just bending over and taking it up the ass every time some punk feels cocky. It might also give the black community a much greater inducement to straighten out their young people. In the end, Trayvon Martin’s death will not martyr him. But it will not be in vain because, at a terrible cost, it will sober up the gangsta mentality at least a little.


  159. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    The president is not a stupid man. How can he not see why blacks are profiled? How can he not see that profiling is as natural as breathing? The answer is he DOES see these things but he is in a political trap where he must tell the constituency that put him in office (minorities and liberals) what they want to hear. When young black men hear the car doors’ locks click whose fault is that? Well, of course, it is the overwhelmingly bad behavior of OTHER young black men.

    I can’t adequately explain how much the President’s recent 18 minute talk pissed me off.

    • progress4what July 21, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

      Obama’s remarks on Zimmerman have been totally inappropriate.
      First, because the POTUS should have never injected himself in such a personal manner in an ongoing criminal case. (“If I had a son, he would ‘look like” Trayvon.”)

      Second, because the POTUS should never be using his office to, essentially, argue that Zimmerman might be “quilty” of something, even though he was – most definitely – found “innocent by a legally constituted Florida jury.

      I had to check the written transcript of Obama’s remarks – to see if things were as bad as they appeared. They are:

      “The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries (sic) were properly instructed that in a — in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant. And they rendered a verdict.

      And once the jury’s spoken, that’s how our system works.

      But I did want to just talk a little bit……” – potus-

      Obama tells us the judicial system worked as designed – but then walks the whole thing back by his obsessive need to “talk just a little bit…”

      IOW, potus tells us, we need to change the laws so that – NEXT TIME a man defends himself while his head is being smashed into the concrete – that man can be charged with something AND definitely found guilty of something.

      This is all wrong – on every level.

      For Obama to – deliberately and repeatedly – inject race into the matter, may be pernicious or evil.

      That’s probably for the verdict of history.


    • anti dod July 21, 2013 at 2:40 pm #

      American Idol


      Over the past 30 years, we have been subjected to an unrelenting stream of national race traumas; for months at a time, each one becomes omnipresent: Rodney King , O.J. , Duke Lacrosse , The Jenna 6 , Tawanee Bradley , Paul Deen , various “hate crime” hoaxes on campus, .

  160. BackRowHeckler July 21, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    That 18 minute talk was designed to piss you off.

    The was a bank robbery nearby a few days ago. The robbers, of course, wore ‘hoodies’ to hide their identity.

    But here is an event that made my week. My Alma Mater, Wesleyan University, Big Lib Bastion and Politically Correct on every subject right down the line, to the nth degree, had two of their campus police officers arrested for setting up cameras in dorms, filming coeds in various stages of undress, and posting the films online. It now costs about 50 gs a year to go to the place. Turns out both of the campus cops were black guys from Hartford. I can’t believe they didn’t cover it up; perhaps it was just too egregious.


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  161. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    I’m not fortunate to be a granddad like you but when I’m out having late afternoon coffee with friends one of my simple pleasures is to watch the comedy and innocence of little kids when they’re at that 2-4 age range and the simplest things like a water fountain, crunching Autumn leaves, or eating a chocolate ice cream cone gives them delirious joy.

    The joy of watching their unselfconscious innocence is tinged with melancholy knowing that the world they are inheriting is going to grind down their natural optimism and wonderment. So I try to focus on their moment as well as my own.

    Jesus, you are a creepy freak. Not only are you a racist, but you’re also a pedophile like Janos. Yeah, and I bet you’re sitting in your van waiting until one of them wanders from the pack so you can abduct them. The following song was written with you in mind, you freak.


  162. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    The answer is he DOES see these things but he is in a political trap where he must tell the constituency that put him in office (minorities and liberals) what they want to hear.

    Minorities and Liberals did not put him in the White House. Money puts these puppets in the White House. Minorities don’t have much of it, so nice try, but you’re not even close. In fact, you’re perpetuating a myth. The Plutocrats put him in as their stooge and he’s done everything they’ve asked of him whilst making the Liberals and Minorities believe he is in their corner…..which, of course, he’s not.

    Q. Shtik is yet another of these racists who can’t make up his mind. He complains about his property taxes, yet those property taxes are what keeps him from being overrun by the Dark Hordes. The Dark Hordes can’t afford those property taxes, so they seek lower rent districts to lay their heads. Q. Shtik decries having to pay his property taxes and yet those property taxes are what isolates him from the Dark Hordes he also decries……and FEARS. Unbounded contradictions. They just keep coming….like the immigrants flooding across the southern border.

  163. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    “Not only are you a racist, but you’re also a pedophile like Janos. Yeah, and I bet you’re sitting in your van waiting until one of them wanders from the pack so you can abduct them…”
    – carol new asokajanet –

    Sexual ad hominem much, soaker?

  164. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm #

    Obama’s remarks on Zimmerman have been totally inappropriate.

    Yes, they are inappropriate, just as your remarks and the remarks of your racist friends here are inappropriate. Before, and since the Zimmerman verdict, my interactions with non-whites to include blacks has been respectful and courteous, so this hullabaloo from both sides of this faux debate is unequivocal BULLSHIT. It’s not the reality on the ground, despite the propaganda.

  165. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    “Yes, they are inappropriate, just as your remarks and the remarks of your racist friends here are inappropriate.”
    – carol new asokajanet –

    Well, at least you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that these remarks by potus ARE inappropriate.

    Then – if you could acknowledge the difference in anonymous comments in an internet discussion VERSUS the public remarks of the President of the United States.

    Do that – and you might experience a tiny amount of intellectual growth.

    After that – we will try to help you with your visibly demonstrated fear of male heterosexuality. Just keep posting your bizarre insults.

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  166. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    Then – if you could acknowledge the difference in anonymous comments in an internet discussion VERSUS the public remarks of the President of the United States.

    I weight all remarks equally regardless of who says it. If everyone did the same, including yourself, then maybe people could start to think for themselves. In fact, I weight the prez’s remarks less because they are obvious propaganda. For anonymous remarks, such as your remarks, I have to use pattern recognition to determine if its propaganda. My research leads me to the conclusion you are propaganda just as the prez is propaganda, hence you’re both inappropriate and the inappropriateness is given equal weight.

  167. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    Has anyone other than me noticed that the dark grey “welcome bar?” at the top of the screen after login says “KUNSTLER,” on the left side.

    And then on the right side it says, “Howdy, progress4what.*”
    *substitute your screenname, here.

    Is “Howdy,” a common piece of Kunstler vernacular?
    That seems slightly unlikely.

    I can think of two posters who use “Howdy,” in their written salutations.
    Neither of these posters was ever banned, to my knowledge.
    Coincidence? Beats me.

    At any rate – thanks to *someone* for taking on the moderation of this comment board!

    Now – how many gratuitous sexual comments and insults does it take to earn a permanent banning, ’round ‘ere?

    • Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

      Stick to the subject rather than trying to deflect as is your agenda. This post has no relevance to the discussion.

    • Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

      Is “Howdy,” a common piece of Kunstler vernacular?
      That seems slightly unlikely.

      I noticed this too Prog and thought it was very un-Kunstlerlike.

      Back when the new blog system was in its early stages and totally f’d up I exchanged e-mails with JHK and then a tech guy inserted himself in the discussion. Here is how he signed off on his e-mail:

      Neil Grabowsky, Head Nerd
      Jersey Nerds

      I assume what happened with the blog is that Jim essentially turned over the blog re-vamp to some tech nerds and the “Howdy” bit is attributable to Grabowsky’s personality. If Jim had his druthers I’m sure he drop the corny “Howdy” but he hasn’t the time for small shit.

  168. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm #

    After that – we will try to help you with your visibly demonstrated fear of male heterosexuality.

    No, I have a disgust for racist pedophiles like you and your friends here. This E. character posts thinly disguised child porn and the sick freak, Pucker, follows it up with a clown for emphasis. It’s a known fact all clowns are pedophiles. You people need to be behind bars and you need to have your genitalia, arms, legs and tongues removed so you can’t harm any more children. Even with the removal of all those appendages, no doubt freaks like you and yours will find a way to stalk children.

  169. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    It might be better if Obama’s remarks were deliberate propaganda.
    But he was speaking sans teleprompter – so it is more likely that he really believes some of his racist excuses in his heart of hearts.

    “Although, black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. They understand that, some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country. And that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history….” A bit of ObamaSpeak.

    Translation – No matter what happens in “poor black neighborhoods” ultimate blame ALWAYS deposits to “a violent past” and a “difficult history” and it ALWAYS will.*

    *Even though that history officially ended two generations ago – in 1964.

  170. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    “You people need to be behind bars and you need to have your genitalia, arms, legs and tongues removed so you can’t harm any more children. Even with the removal of all those appendages, no doubt freaks like you and yours will find a way to stalk children.”
    – carol new asokajanet –

    Anyone else want to help this entity with his fears?

    Other than that – this doesn’t benefit the discussion.
    Why not try out the new blog software?
    I suggest a ban of this entity.
    What say you, James Howard Kunstler?

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    • Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

      No, this


      followed by this

      I’ve got to say it … those pics are HILARIOUS. A high school prom full of kids looking like pimps and whores.


      is inappropriate, but yet not a peep from you about it. Get back on topic where you belong, or shut up.

    • anti dod July 21, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

      We second that motion. Ban ‘the entity’.

  171. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    But he was speaking sans teleprompter – so it is more likely that he really believes some of his racist excuses in his heart of hearts.

    No, if he’s reading from teleprompters, it further supports it’s propaganda prepared by a technical staff for his vocalization. Whether he believes it, or not, is irrelevant, but I’m guessing he doesn’t believe 80%, or more, of what is prepared for him to speechify.

  172. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    “No, this … is inappropriate, but yet not a peep from you about it.”
    – carol new asokajanet, on AA prom pics –

    I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, “carol.”
    Please elaborate at length. Take your time. Take lots of time.

    But first, look up and memorize the definition of “sans.”
    You demonstrate that you do not know the meaning of this word.

    • Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

      Your use of the quotes is a dead giveaway, by the way. Try not to be so obvious. I understand the compulsion and need to practice with different characters in order to hone your craft, but you’re engaging in too much overlap. You must differentiate them further.

      • Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

        Carol, you’ve been busted. You didn’t know the meaning of sans and thus your response……..”No, if he’s reading from teleprompters, it further supports it’s propaganda prepared by a technical staff for his vocalization.”……….is totally ass backwards.

        Since you have, by now, looked up sans and discovered it means “without” we can logically reword your reply as follows: “Yes, if he is NOT reading from teleprompters it certainly is likely that his words were not propaganda prepared by a technical staff for his vocalization but rather his own beliefs and feelings. Nice observation Prog.”

        That would have been the honorable thing to do but Carol being Carol……

  173. michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    The media seems hell bent on provoking a race war in this country. Every night there is an orgy of coverage on the latest “no justice, no peace” rally. The event was sad, but if you have ever been the victim of a B and E, you come to appreciate neighborhood watch volunteers. Now I wish they would stop belly aching about this horse shit and worry more about real issues, like the ominous filing for bankruptcy by that living hell of a city called Detroit. Perhaps this man summed the whole thing up the best. “It is what it is” https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=464125403683637

    • janet July 21, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

      Filing for bankruptcy was unconstitutional.

      The Michigan Constitution prohibits actions that will lessen the pension benefits of public employees, including those in the city of Detroit. The bankruptcy filing violated the constitution because the filers know reductions in those benefits will result.

      As a result, Judge Aquilina issued a declaratory judgment that says the bankruptcy filing violated the Michigan Constitution.

      • michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

        That will be the new norm. Trying to steal people’s retirement savings in a vain and futile, undignified effort to keep the ship from sinking. Permanent contraction and budget cuts from an ever eroding tax base. The state on steroids. Anywhere the bastards can fine, fee, tax, penalize, or otherwise steal money from people because of chronic budget shortfalls due to an ever shrinking tax base until there is nothing left to steal. This latest attempt is just the beginning. That entire city is basically dead and in ruins.

        • juicyfruit July 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm #

          read Detroit, An American Autopsy but charlie le duff.

  174. janet July 21, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    P4W said: “Other than that – this doesn’t benefit the discussion. Why not try out the new blog software? I suggest a ban of this entity. What say you, James Howard Kunstler?”

    P4W, JHK has already banned Asoka, Jaego, and NotMommy. How many people do you think should be banned?

    JHK also said he will not tolerate disrespectful cute labels like “Rethuglicans” yet we have Pucker using the word Bozo to refer to the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces. Why are you not calling for Pucker to be banned?

    Is eliminating posters who you consider to be irritants a solution? Couldn’t every one of us make up our our list of who we think is not “benefiting the discussion”? Wouldn’t everyone end up being banned?

    I think you are going overboard in thinking so many of the contributors to CFN are Asoka and should therefore be banned.

  175. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    Since you have, by now, looked up sans and discovered it means “without” we can logically reword your reply as follows:

    I never looked up the definition of the word “sans”. In fact, I never even read it as “sans”. I automatically defaulted to “with” because right-wingers make such a big deal of Obama reading from teleprompters. But to be honest, no, I didn’t know the meaning, so thanks for providing it. It’s a pretentious word that’s bandied about by people who believe they’re something more than they are, i.e. racist retards like you and your friends here. See, I’m not sans humility, unlike you who shrinks from sight when someone takes you to task for not knowing the proper usage of who versus that.

    Still, the point remains, Obama is propaganda with or sans a teleprompter. He’s never been what right-wingers like you describe him as being. He’s more vanilla than you……just with a chocolate ganache coating for show. But by all means, go ahead and keep pretending.

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  176. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    The reference to Bozo was in relation to Bozo’s race-baiting over the Zimmerman-Martin case and racial pandering to the mob of kiddies in a t..otal,,,ita,,rain fashion similar to a cult leader. Bozo was obviously clowning when he tried to identify with Martin as someone who like Martin has often been the victim of racial profiling and mistreatment by whites. Obama was elected to the US Senate and Presidency by white people. Obama was abandoned by his black father and raised by his white grandparents. Obama went to a prestigious prep school in Hawaii. Bozo was engaging in blatant race-bating and demagoguery.

    Bozo is a public figure, and the topic is political, and, therefore, the reference to Bozo is Constitutionally protected speech.

    • michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

      Jees. I had thought CFN vanished from the face of the earth and we had nowhere to fiddle with the ship is sinking. Now CFN has degenerated to political correctness? Truly sad if true.It will become dull and boring if people can’t say what they want. I can think of a lot of words to describe Obama (clown, asshole, idiot, stooge) as well as repugs (i.e., republikkkans. The word cocksuckers comes to mind. I was watching a concert of the late Frank Zappa and he introduced his song “cocksucker’s ball” as being for all the republicans in his audience. Gotta love a man with a sense of humor like his). Why people have any respect for politicians at this point is just baffling to me. There is no political solution to the disaster that is likely 1-2 years from unfolding, no politician can create resources that have peaked or are soon to peak, and thus the days of endless growth and modern industrial society are coming to an end. And people are bickering over political correctness. There is no hope for the US…..

  177. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

    “I think you are going overboard in thinking so many of the contributors to CFN are Asoka and should therefore be banned.”
    – new asokajanet-

    “janet,” you are definitely “asoka.”

    As to whether you are also “carol,” that jury’s still out.

    But you, asoka, have always had a fussy inability to give honest consideration to CFN discussions related to human sexuality.

    So – why would you defend the vile dishonest sexual spew of “carol,” unless you were the creator and author of “carol?”

    Why, indeed?

  178. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    Bozo was obviously clowning when he tried to identify with Martin as someone who like Martin has often been the victim of racial profiling and mistreatment by whites.

    Racist white right-wingers associate Obama with black militancy and communism, and it’s completely unwarranted. They profile him, because of the color of his skin, as being symbolic of, and engendering, black culture when in fact, he is as white as they are, culturally. What is it that they do, if it’s not racial profiling? Same holds true for the liberals. They racially profile Obama and treat him as the progeny of an afflicted race who has overcome astronomical prejudicial hurdles in his ascendancy to the White House. The liberals are as guilty as the right-wingers for racially profiling, just for different reasons.

    That being said, you’re wrong for another reason. Even if Obama went to a prestigious high school and was raised in a white culture, it doesn’t preclude him from being racially profiled. You are correct that Obama 35 years prior is not like Trayvon Martin, but not for the reasons you state. Obama, 35 years prior, was not like Trayvon because he never would have jumped a 35 years prior George Zimmerman and beat him violently. If he had, he never would have been president. He was raised, culturally, to not let his first impulse be violence and to not act on violent impulses. He was raised, culturally, to leave that dirty work to the grunts.

  179. janet July 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    “janet,” you are definitely “asoka.”


    Banning is the equivalent of electronic lynching.

    Upon thinking more about your family of slaveholders it does not surprise me that you continue today in the family tradition of lynching.

    Asoka has not posted here for months. You will continue to believe many of the handles are Asoka sock puppets. That is your right. But it does not contribute to the ongoing discussion of issues like peak oil. You are impeding discussion with your wildly speculative comments.

  180. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Carol wrote: “He’s more vanilla than you……just with a chocolate ganache coating for show.”

    I’m speechless. I’ve never heard people describe U.S. racial issues using the culinary metaphors of “vanilla” (presumably meaning “white people”, and “chocolate” (presumably meaning “black people”.) Although Ms. Jeantel seems to refer to white people as “crackers”, which I believe is a salted, flat bread typically eaten with cheese or cold cuts.

    People seem to be suggesting that Obama is more “Vanilla” than “Chocolate”.

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  181. BackRowHeckler July 21, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    I hope Jim writes about Detroit tomorrow. Which big city is next to declare bankruptcy? Chicago? LA? New Orleans? Providence, RI? The public sector union workers got some pretty sweet contracts over the decades in Detroit but now they’re looking at pennies on the dollar. Hey, remember ‘Devil’s Night’ in Detroit, the night before Halloween, when gangs of black teenagers would set the city on fire? Those things add up.


    • Janos Skorenzy July 21, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

      Don’t buy the Fox News lies: other big Midwestern Cities lost their industry and have been run by Liberals for decades. They haven’t collapsed like Detroit. The difference that dooms Detroit is the percentage of Blacks – which leads to Black Leaders, corruption. companies leaving, malls closing, etc.


  182. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    Carol said: Before, and since the Zimmerman verdict, my interactions with non-whites to include blacks has been respectful and courteous, so this hullabaloo from both sides of this faux debate is unequivocal BULLSHIT. It’s not the reality on the ground, despite the propaganda.

    El Indio said: an estimated 11,000+ blacks have been killed by other blacks since Trayvon Martin was killed.

    Two black guys were chatting while in line outside the Pearly Gates waiting to find out from St. Peter if they were in or out. One says “my interactions with blacks have always been respectful and courteous, and then this nigga comes up and shoots me in the head for a dime bag.”

    10,998 other black guys in line say “YOU TOO??!!”

    • Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

      Is this your attempt at humor? Of course it is. You are soooo Joyzee. What would Walt Whitman say? Nothing. Instead, he’d hand you a sampler. Life is like a box of chocolates…….

    • Janos Skorenzy July 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

      A few years ago you wouldn’t have made that joke. You’ve grown bro. Don’t stop. There’s more to learn and the more you know, the more material you’ll have for jokes.

  183. janet July 21, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    People seem to be suggesting that Obama is more “Vanilla” than “Chocolate”.


    Black people have been strongly suggesting Obama is vanilla for the last four years.

    Obama has done nothing for the Black community (and its high unemployment).

    Obama has done nothing for Latinos (except deport their asses at record rates).

    But Obama has been buddy buddy with white bankers. And Obama is buddy buddy with white military leaders and they do love their drone bombers.

    Obama is white, raised in Kansas by white women, with white Kansas values through and through. He said it out loud in 2008: “I have Kansas values”

    Obama’s recent remarks about Blacks pissed off so many whites because they felt betrayed by one of their own. The comments were truly out of character for the white Obama, who has been silent on race for almost five years now. Maybe the Black Obama is waking up?

    • michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm #

      Symbolically, I was happy that Obama won. I love watching the chagrin on the faces of the snots, bitches, and assholes from FOX news on youtube. They remind me of the snots from first class from the movie the Titanic. I just want to bitch slap those kind of people. Romney was/is one vile, despicable religious fanatic, bordering on insanity. Complete energy independence for the US within 10 years? He counter protested the Vietnam War protestors? Yet all that time I knew politics and the political process was/is a joke and a waste of time. Different figure heads for the same mafia, Obama was just a little less despicable. Perhaps the best thing that will come out of the impending collapse is that we will be rid of those assholes and the government will be scaled back to a bare minimum and only become relevant on a local level.

  184. juicyfruit July 21, 2013 at 4:46 pm #

    Wow is this the same site that i used to love? it seemed the comments were saner and smarter before. i will try another ‘blog’ entry. i learned not much from this blog anyway, kind of like the zimmerman trial.

    • michigan_native July 21, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

      I kept clicking the old link and kept getting the message about the site being redesigned. I know JHK had just undergone major surgery and was having health issues, I kinda stumbled back here when I plugged his name into the search engine, fearing I would see his obituary or something. Club Orlov is cool but this is the place to fiddle while Rome burns, this is the place to jam with the band while the ship sinks. My cure for insomnia from Metoprolol is 2mg of Xanax and 8 24oz cans of Labatt’s maximum ice (7.2% kick). It’s a great way to wash away insomnia and knowing the job that I’ve more or less broken my balls at and ruined my health is coming to end and that I won’t likely survive the impending collapse. Get a god beer buzz and babble here for a few until I black out every night. Get up, go to work, get tortured, come home, get stoned. Rinse and repeat. I love this place

  185. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

    Maybe the Black Obama is waking up?

    Good point. Could the chocolate ganache coating be permeating the character of Obama? Or, is he once again just spouting the words handed to him, one way or another? Words designed to create agitation where none currently exists because the Plutocrats would rather divide and conquer the Masses than face their potential focused ire one day? If it’s the latter, I’d say it’s overkill. No need to worry about an uprising. i-everything is the great neutralizer.

    Oh, I almost forgot, crackers are not just for cheese and cold cuts….and who in the hell says cold cuts anymore besides an old fart from a bygone era? I prefer peanut butter on my crackers, when I have them….and believe it, or not, sometimes a dab of jelly on top of that peanut butter because I believe in living on the edge.

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  186. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    Upon thinking more about your family of slaveholders it does not surprise me that you continue today in the family tradition of lynching.

    What’s even more amazing is that this redneck, georgia militia man used a word like sans (it’s something more akin to the Manhattan intelligentsia). It’s highly uncharacteristic. And then of course, Fred the Fruit can use all the big, highfalutin words without Q Schmuck uttering a peep so long as said big, highfalutin words are lipstick on a racist screed.

  187. Howdy July 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm #


  188. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

    Obama’s recent remarks about Blacks pissed off so many whites because they felt betrayed by one of their own. – Asoka

    Not exactly Asoka. As I said before, I am pissed because he is obviously pandering to a political constituency that he doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of, namely minorities and liberals.

  189. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    he is obviously pandering to a political constituency that he doesn’t want to get on the wrong side of, namely minorities and liberals.

    Why bother when he already has them, and always has, as a lock? Your explanation doesn’t hold up to the searing light of day?

  190. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

    …….so long as said big, highfalutin words……… – Carol

    Interesting, it appears Carol thinks “sans” is a big, highfalutin word.

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    • Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

      Interesting, it appears Carol thinks “sans” is a big, highfalutin word.

      Where did you get that notion? It’s you who thinks anything beyond the prose of the Basal Readers is big and highfalutin unless, of course, said prose supports your prejudiced views.

  191. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

    Among lawyers, the term “vanilla” means typical, ordinary, or standard.

    For example, one might say: “The case was fairly vanilla.”

  192. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    Ironically, some people might say that the Zimmerman case was fairly vanilla. (You can also say “..fairly plain vanilla.”)

    it was a simply a case of justifiable use of force in self-defense.

  193. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm #

    I am pissed

    Yes, you are irascible, but you’ve yet to locate the root of your malcontent. Walk into your bathroom in front of the large mirror with your back to it and turn your head and look at the back side of your body reflected in the mirror. You’ll find the source of your ceaseless vexation. You’ll notice something missing. It’s called a spine, and you don’t have one, and it’s too late, obviously, to grow one now. Pity…. for you, and for all who have to live in your midst.

  194. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 6:08 pm #

    The Zimmerman case was vanilla, but Ms. Jeantel’s testimony was NOT vanllla.

    Ms. Jeantel’s testimony was decidedly chocolate.

    American society is Neapolitan.


    When I was a kid, I’d often discover that “some asshole” had eaten out all of the chocolate ice cream in the box of Neapolitan ice cream in the freezer and left me with the crappy strawberry ice cream.

    Selfish F..ckers! That’s something that vanilla cracka Obama’d do!

  195. janet July 21, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    Qshtik said: “I am pissed because he is obviously pandering to a political constituency …”

    OMG! Quick call somebody! A politician is pandering!

    Are you pissed because the Pope is Catholic?

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  196. Carol Newquist July 21, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

    and left me with the crappy strawberry ice cream.</i.

    One person's "crappy" is another person's "delicious". Strawberry's my favorite of those three flavors, so I'd consider the person who left the strawberry to be philanthropic, or in the least, certainly not selfish. You always view the glass as half empty. That's vanilla gone bad, or rancid vanilla. Perhaps a better description is botulized milquetoast. Either way, it's boring and nasty to the point of toxic.

  197. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    “This the way we shovel the shit…
    Shovel the shit…
    Shovel the shit…
    This is the way we shovel the shit…
    So early in the morning….”

    “The wheels on the bus…
    Come off and off…
    Off and off…
    Off and off….”

  198. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    This guy nails it:

    “One wants to scream at all those outraged at the Zimmerman verdict: Where is your outrage over the collapse of the black family? Today’s civil-rights leaders swat at mosquitoes like Zimmerman when they have gorillas on their back. Seventy-three percent of all black children are born without fathers married to their mothers. And you want to bring the nation to a standstill over George Zimmerman?

    There are vast career opportunities, money and political power to be gleaned from the specter of Mr. Zimmerman as a racial profiler/murderer; but there is only hard and selfless work to be done in tackling an illegitimacy rate that threatens to consign blacks to something like permanent inferiority. If there is anything good to be drawn from the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy, it is only the further revelation of the corruption and irrelevance of today’s civil-rights leadership.” -shelby steele-

    One does have to grimace , however, at the image of civil rights leaders with “gorillas” on their backs, IMO.

  199. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    And then of course, Fred the Fruit can use all the big, highfalutin words without Q Schmuck uttering a peep

    Speaking of which……..Fred has just posted another gem. The new essay is titled Resegregation.

    St. Joseph’s, Phila where I attended 1958 – 1962 was all male with all male faculty just as Fred recommends for male students today.


  200. janet July 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    Fred was one of those who raised the specter of angry Blacks burning down cities if the verdict was innocent.

    I wonder whether we may not be in for big trouble. Racial hostility is much higher in the United States than it is allowed to appear. In the Twittersphere there is much traffic from blacks, saying that if Zimmerman walks, they will kill him themselves, riot, or kill random whites. … If riots come, they will come in the sprawling, entirely black ghettoes of cities like Trenton, Cameron, Detroit, Atlanta, Birmingham, Gary, Chicago, and so on. Few whites see these dismal wastes. I have, extensively, through the windows of police cruisers. Outside of a squad car, I wouldn’t have lasted an hour without being beaten crippled. It is that bad.

    Fred is a racist who loves to paint Blacks as violent rioters. His racist fear mongering did not result in all those cities burning and did not result in the race war he wants and predicted from Zimmerman walking.

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  201. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    It’s a pretentious word… – Carol

    Everything YOU don’t know seems pretentious.

  202. Pucker July 21, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    I generally agree with the WSJ op-ed:


    Unfortunately, the Zimmerman trial afforded all the Bozos a tempting opportunity to perform racial antics on stage in front of the kids. It gave the Bozos a platform and opportunity to claim power, but it didn’t improve the economic circumstances of black working people one iota.

    It was a tragic waste of time and energy.

  203. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    I suspect that Fred, like I and many others, was wary of a repeat of the rioting that occurred after the Rodney King trial.

    And there was violence – just not to the level that new asokajanet tells us that Fred was predicting.

    Why wasn’t the violence as bad this time?

    Certainly, the cases were somewhat different. But in many ways – the Martin shooting was WORSE than the King beating. After all, King was a very guilty man – driving drunk at 3X the legal limit, speeding recklessly, endangering innocent life, and refusing to comply with legal police orders at the time of his arrest.

    Martin, at least according to the narrative sold to the Black Grievance Coalition through the media – was INNOCENT. And he was young. And he looked like the POTUS’ unborn son, to make matters as bad as they could possibly be.

    So, why wasn’t the violence as bad this time.
    Perhaps – because of the power of the internet and alternative news sources to challenge the dominant narrative of the media.

    • michigan_native July 23, 2013 at 1:27 am #

      Let’s not bullshit any longer. There are 2 angles that blacks play on whites. I consider myself Native American, but I see the way many blacks play their cards as well as the way many of the white Rush Limbaugh types respond. My experience is that many blacks treat me as white, just like there are with Hispanics like Zimmerman. I will spare bandwidth by using generic terms like white, black, and red.

      The minor card is that “we” enslaved them and are responsible for their predicament. That includes all non black people. That is the guilt trip. The major card they play is the fear trip. If there is no “justice”, there will be no peace. If you don’t capitulate, we will kick your ass, white boy. The ever present threat of actual or implied violence. That is why Zimmerman was brought to trial in the first place, why the charges against him took so long, and why the tax payer’s money was wasted on appeasing or giving into this omniscient threat of real or implied violence despite all the evidence that showed Zimmerman acted in self defense and that the “state” never had a strong case against him. They caved in to this fear. Not many are happy that Martin was killed, save for the KKK/Limbaugh types. But after all the hype about this 6’3″ baby faced kid was “murdered” by a “wanna be cop with a chip on his shoulder” and all these other assumptions that are successful attempts to get the most gullible and stupid people get involved and watch media sensationalism, the truth is that many people know Zimmerman was innocent and acted in self defense, they just don’t like the fear card being reversed. If Zimmerman had been black and Martin Hispanic, I am sure if you would hear nothing in the media about it and if any black would be “activists” spoke, it would be justifying his actions along the lines that it is a dangerous world and people have to band together to protect themselves, etc etc and on and on.

      So now we have the hypocrites within the black community who are OK with a virtual epidemic of black on black violence and the extreme left knee jerk morons showing us what buffoons they truly are by bellying up to the fear card and regurgitating emotionally charged assumptions and take turns taking pictures with their hoodies up which after all is said and done have no basis in reality.

      The Rush Limbaugh types would be more vocal in defending Zimmerman, except he is not a card carrying member of their lilly white glee club. In their view, all of the problems in the world are caused not by greed, short sightedness, and resource depletion, but by those persons of color whom they view as bankrupting the system and dragging them down in the sinking ship.

      Both are full of shit and this latest outburst I think is just the tip of the iceberg. When the shit hits the fan soon, everyone will be looking for scape goats. People are arming themselves to the teeth. The US government appears to be preparing for the imposition of martial law. I have always imagined the collapse of the US as being hell on earth for people who are still unaware and totally unprepared for it. Each passing day, week, and month seems to confirm this. Look around you. Race conflict as the collapse gains momentum. The acceleration of resource wars as those of you who still have jobs and homes watch your wages stagnate while your neighborhood deteriorates and your standard of living declines. Look around you, and don’t kid yourselves. Empty houses falling apart, boarded up businesses, people snapping and going on rampages or committing suicide, the latest emergency budget crisis or bankruptcy. This shit is real, this is the big one, the end of growth, the collapse. Don’t kid yourselves with denial or wishful thinking any longer

  204. janet July 21, 2013 at 8:44 pm #

    “So, why wasn’t the violence as bad this time. Perhaps – because of the power of the internet and alternative news sources to challenge the dominant narrative of the media.”

    Who woulda thunk it? Seething Blacks, violent by nature, angry and waiting to explode into rioting, ready to kill whites at random, burn cities, etc. etc.

    And they can be tamed and made docile by words written on blogs.

    You really believe this?

  205. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    “And they can be tamed and made docile by words written on blogs.

    You really believe this?”
    – new asokajanet –

    Who said “blogs,” nitwit?


    The dominant media thrust kept putting out the iinflammatory picture of Trayvon Martin at about age 13. The dominant theme did NOT show pictures of Zimmerman’s broken nose or the bloody back of Zimmerman’s head.

    Accurate pictures existed – but they were not released into widespread circulation EXCEPT grudgingly and AFTER being first published by non-mainstream sources.

    So – by the time of the verdict, there was enough REAL evidence out in public circulation that a critical mass of rioters was not reached.

    Lucky for the US, this time.
    And a great contrast to the events surrounding the media narrative and the violence after the Rodney King verdict.

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  206. janet July 21, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    Who woulda thunk it? White fear paints a picture of seething Blacks, violent by nature, angry and waiting to explode into rioting, ready to kill whites at random, burn cities, etc. etc.

    And yet it turns out Blacks can be tamed and made docile by “the power of the internet and alternative news sources” to provide a contrasting “media narrative.”

    Seems like Blacks are reasonable people, very aware of media, who accept media narratives and have impulse control, taking the correct course of action toward whites as a result. Who woulda thunk it?

    • Elmendorf July 21, 2013 at 10:33 pm #

      Yeah right, Janet. Blacks are such a pacific people [sic]. There were no Watts riots or LA riots of yesteryear or Oakland riots in support of Martin where cars were overturned and business windows smashed.

      Yes, Blacks are so known for their “impulse control” except for their rates of murder, mayhem, and theft. Are you out of your goddamned MIND?


      • michigan_native July 23, 2013 at 2:11 am #

        I try to be objective. I am wondering if these quick to defend gang banger types have ever lived in neighborhoods where rapes, murders, burglaries, car jackings, armed robberies etc are enough to drive the people that do not commit these acts to wish to flee? Maybe a day or a week living in areas like this would change their naïve perspectives over night? I am betting they would, if they lived through the experience

  207. progress4what July 21, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    It’s got to be much more difficult to riot, beat people, and burn down liquor stores when you see this picture and realize – deep in your guts – that Zimmerman was being assaulted by a larger Mr. Martin – at the time of the shooting.


    I’m out ’till next week.

    Hope JHK is feeling OK and posts on time.

    Something about Detroit, I’d wager.

  208. Lee Grove July 21, 2013 at 9:44 pm #

    As a white guy who grew up in an ALL BLACK neighborhood, and who made it out, accompanying my best friend (black) to college, I have to say: I am tired of the fucking whining by the black community. Fucking tired of it! I had none of the preferences for college loans and scholarships that my best friend had, and yet I made it; we came through it together. He is now a quite important person in the military that protects us. There is prejudice everywhere for all sorts of reasons. Get over it.
    I have to think that if Obama could say what he really believes, he would say: Fucking losers. Stop making excuses.

    • Elmendorf July 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm #


      I went through graduate school with a conservative black friend who still lives in Tempe, AZ. Recently he called me up to complain about all the demonstrations in California in support of Trayvon Martin. My buddy grew up in none other than DETROIT and he, too, is sick of the Sharptons and Jacksons.

      Of course, any black person that’s actually politically conservative is defined as an “Uncle Tom” by his peers. That’s a great tragedy because the politically conservative blacks tend to be better educated and could be outstanding spokespersons for more civility in their communities. Instead, they are ostracized and marginalized by their peers and usually end up choosing to live in white neighborhoods.


  209. janet July 21, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    One thing cannot be argued:

    George Zimmerman is now free, but Trayvon Martin is still dead.

    I’m with Stevie Wonder. I will never vacation or patronize an event, concert, conference, etc. in Florida until the Florida law that allowed Zimmerman to kill Martin, and not even be charged for six weeks, is repealed.

    • Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 10:19 pm #

      While you and Stevie are NOT traveling to Florida be sure not to travel to these other 15 states with Stand Your Ground laws on the books.

      ?New Hampshire

      • anti dod July 22, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

        Not that GZ trial had anything to do with SYG.

    • Elmendorf July 21, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

      Zimmerman did nothing wrong, was legally exonerated, and deserves to be free. Trayvon Martin paid with his life for being a gangsta punk-ass but when you choose that path in life, that’s often an end result … usually from your own people.

      You can see the media disinformation surrounding urban demonstrations in support of Martin where his picture is shown when he was an innocent 10-year-old boy in contrast to the cocky punk he grew up to be. The liberal thought police are busy whitewashing his reputation to make the incident seem more repugnant.


      • juicyfruit July 23, 2013 at 11:05 am #

        yeah right. nothing wrong. if he was a pedophile and chased a ten year old who ended up kicking him in his junk and then was suddenly “really scared”, he coulda pulled his gun and shot a ten year old. great law.
        or if it was a neighborhood watch hood, stalking a woman walking home from the grocery store who turned on him and hit him in his head with her bag of canned goods he coulda shot her dead too.

        yeah. great law.

    • debt July 22, 2013 at 12:25 am #

      You spend most of you time in New Mexico and Arlington, Virginia. And you fantasize about yearly trips to Ecuador… My guess is you never go to Florida anyway so who cares?

      • anti dod July 23, 2013 at 12:27 am #

        You are so funny. Are the ‘stats’ still somewhere on this site that show ‘the entity’ as logging in from Dept of Defense?

  210. janet July 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    Mary Mary has decided to join Stevie Wonder in his efforts to boycott the state of Florida following George Zimmerman’s acquittal. “We will stand with Stevie Wonder & boycott Florida until the Stand Your Ground Law is changed”

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    • anti dod July 23, 2013 at 12:28 am #

      I know someone who drove celebs around including ‘Mary Mary’
      They were one of the worst. No tip and they grabbed whatever water and candy [all of it] dat wuz in duh limo.

  211. janet July 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    “I, Eddie Levert will not play Florida until they change their gun laws,” Levert said on Twitter. “I’m going to join Mr. Stevie Wonder in his boycott of Florida.”

    • Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 10:31 pm #

      Eddie Levert will not play Florida

      OMG, this is getting serious! They’re gonna crash the whole freakin Florida economy.

      BTW, who is Eddie Levert?

  212. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    Forty some years ago my parents retired to Florida (Tequesta). My Dad was a big lifelong Ham radio buff. One of the first things he did was get a PT job as a radio dispatcher with the Tequesta Police. My wife and I visited (this would have been around 1975) and one night said we were going out to hit a club or two and have some drinks. Dad showed some real concern. “For Christ’s sake be careful, you wouldn’t believe the shit that goes on around here…I could tell you a thousand stories.”

  213. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    Here is something I am surprised has not come up on the blog this week concerning the Trayvon/Zimmerman incident:

    Rush L. presented an analysis of the Piers Morgan interview of Rachel Jeantel (note, I have never watched/listened to Rush’s show. Someone sent me a link via e-mail). It is a written, not video transcript. It appears that what Jeantel told Piers differed greatly from what she said on the witness stand. Specifically, she gave the impression that her’s and Trayvon’s concern about the “creepy ass cracker” was that he was a sexual predator (i.e. gay) and that there was no conversation about race. It was all about homophobia and that was what the “whoop ass” was delivered for.

    Jeantel was not smart enough to realize that what she was telling Piers was destroying the whole racism narrative but Piers was quick to try to divert the conversation in the desired direction.

    Google it and judge for yourself. If I can locate the link I’ll post it.

  214. Q. Shtik July 21, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

    I’ve been meaning to mention this all day:

    I keep up with the e-mail in my in-box throughout the day. A couple of times a day I will also click on my Spam folder, give a cursory glance at the subjects then check the box that automatically checks all the boxes and then hit Delete. Poof, all gone. I’ll bet a lot of you do the same thing.

    But when you do this you never know for sure what communication of real value you might be tossing out. I discovered this today when I went to my Spam folder and there was only one item in it so the subject really jumped out at me. I am so glad that I wasn’t quick to dump this item. The subject read “LOCAL SLUTS…..Free access to local sluts.” Whew, to think I almost deleted this. ;o)

  215. janet July 22, 2013 at 12:29 am #

    “note, I have never watched/listened to Rush’s show”

    I do listen to Rush and I heard that show. His big thing was trying to paint a picture of the dilemmas liberals are in: who to defend, Blacks or gays? (As if those are two different universes. Maybe Rush has never heard of a Black who is gay?)

    It was really pretty superficial, an attempt to make race go away. If all you have is the transcript, then you missed Rush’s dripping sarcasm.

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  216. Carol Newquist July 22, 2013 at 7:16 am #

    Zimmerman did nothing wrong, was legally exonerated, and deserves to be free. Trayvon Martin paid with his life for being a gangsta punk-ass but when you choose that path in life, that’s often an end result … usually from your own people.

    Leave the “gangsta punk-ass” hyperbole out of it. You lose all credibility, as if it’s even possible for you to have any, when you characterize Martin versus Zimmerman. Those who engage in the characterizations are racists, whether they positively or negatively characterize Martin and /or Zimmerman.

    I’ve said it before, in my estimation this was a case that never should have gone to trial. It’s obvious why it went to trial, and the reasons for that were obviously agenda-driven. Zimmerman, per the facts presented, was well within the law and the jury made the right decision. If people don’t like that outcome, they can try to change the law, but they can’t claim the jury acted dishonorably. If they believe the decision was unjust because the law is unjust, then first the law must be changed. That’s where the focus should be, not these sideshow issues the liberal media and the right-wing pundits keep harping on.

    Face it, you racists, you didn’t get your wish. No riots. It was a big dud. People are going about their business and living life to the fullest just as they did before and during this fabricated media spectacle. It has nothing to do with the internet and social media. People are too busy with the increasing complexity and speed of life to linger on something like this for any length of time, despite the media’s attempts to carve a groove.

  217. Carol Newquist July 22, 2013 at 7:22 am #

    I do listen to Rush

    I do as well. It’s fantastic satire. He’s quite clever, and for anyone with a shred of intelligence, you can determine the mind games that are being played. Some of his characterizations of liberals are spot on, and quite humorous. He actually makes me laugh out loud sometimes. The key with any of these pundits is to not become emotionally involved and to view them as a joke….because that is exactly what they are. The joke is on the idiotic right-wingers who fail to see that Rush, Beck, Savage, Hannity et al are entertainment, not news. They know a good market when they see one, just like JHK. These dolts eat this shit up and keep coming back for more. It’s an endless supply of low-hanging fruit ripe for the harvest.

  218. Carol Newquist July 22, 2013 at 7:28 am #

    “For Christ’s sake be careful, you wouldn’t believe the shit that goes on around here…I could tell you a thousand stories.”

    I find this hard to believe. Your father was obviously a paranoid and bitter racist, and the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

  219. Carol Newquist July 22, 2013 at 8:44 am #