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T hat tractable beast, World Opinion, was apparently looking the other way when US video war-gamers blew up wedding parties and donkeys by remote control in Pakistan, Yemen, and Afghanistan, not to mention the now long ago shock-and-awe bombardment of poor innocent Iraq. It’s not paying much attention these days to the remorseless advance of ISIS (or ISL or the Islamic State) as it cuts a psychopathic swath through the Middle East marked by wholesale executions of civil servants, beheadings of “infidels,” and the occasional crucifixion of suspected enemies and traitors. UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon is so busy issuing condemnations of Israel that he has forgotten to ask Hamas the elementary question: What part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?

Demonic forces are on the loose again now one hundred years after Europe blew itself apart for no good reason. (Why? Because some young Serbian nobody killed the heir to the Austrian throne on a back street in Sarajevo?) Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now. Here in the depraved and disintegrating USA, we pretend that Afghanistan threatens our national interest from 7,000 miles away while denying that Russia has any business with its crumbling next-door neighbor (and former province), Ukraine — the crumbling of which was bought and paid for by the US Department of State and CIA.

The long sobering aftermath of World War Two is over now and World Opinion can once again assume the role of a rough beast slouching toward cataclysm. Starting from the premise that nothing is funnier than unhappiness, how funny is it that the US affects to manage the great demographic upheavals of the Middle East and Europe while it can’t even protect its own citizens from the still-florid looting and swindling operations of Wall Street — not to mention the wholesale renting of congressmen, cabinet secretaries, supreme court justices, and White House aides by US chartered corporations?

World Opinion is easily massaged by grandstanding around children who have been put in harm’s way deliberately by cynical adults. The UN was, shall we say, less than fastidious about Hamas stashing rockets and other war materials in their Gaza schools. In fact, they didn’t make a peep — for years — and now they dare squawk that these arsenals are being targeted, even as Hamas continues its rocket attacks? Did these UN morons ever grok the possibility that they were being played? And, of course, not to change the subject too harshly but note also how children are being used to play the suspension of US immigration laws by cynical US political party hacks. Despite the dishonest pleadings of undocumentarians, what part of… illegal immigrant… remains unclear,?

Here is what I think is going to happen now. Israel will withdraw from Gaza. Hamas’s war-making ability has been deeply degraded for a while, but any further rocket attacks will be answered in kind. Perhaps the citizens of Gaza will rethink who they want to have as leaders. The action will shift back to the ISIS swath across Syria and Iraq. ISIS has become a juggernaut, seizing enough money and valuable assets like oil and gas fields to greatly expand its vicious operations. You can say this about ISIS: they are very plain about their objective: to reestablish a fundamentalist caliphate — that is, to return to the eleventh century. Personally, I think the Middle East is primed for exactly that outcome, since its brief adventure as a wealthy, modernized oil-producing region is reaching its natural limits. The very specter of that fate is enough to destabilize the fragile political arrangements there, and may actually hasten the arrival of those natural limits as the activities of ISIS shuts in the necessarily rational operation of the companies that run the oil wells, pipelines, transport terminals. Watch what it does to capital markets, without which oil production founders anywhere.

Speaking of capital markets, keep your eyes on the US indexes. Never has so much fragility-in-motion come so close to an implacable wall of consequence. All hell seems to be breaking loose.

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306 Responses to “All Hell”

  1. George August 4, 2014 at 9:23 am #

    “Their objective: to reestablish a fundamentalist caliphate and return to the eleventh century.”

    Unlike most predictions, that’s one which could unfold quickly.

    • WW August 4, 2014 at 12:47 pm #

      Do you think they will advance that far? Into the 11th century that is!

    • progress4what August 9, 2014 at 11:00 am #

      If I leave a reply to a post on CFN and nobody reads it, does it make a sound?

  2. capt spaulding August 4, 2014 at 9:41 am #

    Hamas & the boys don’t care one whit about the people in Gaza. My guess is that they high five every time an orphanage gets blown up. Ya gotta love their PR guy.

  3. Cold N. Holefield August 4, 2014 at 9:41 am #

    The UN was, shall we say, less than fastidious about Hamas stashing rockets and other war materials in their Gaza schools. In fact, they didn’t make peep — for years — and now they dare squawk that these arsenals are being targeted, even as Hamas continues its rocket attacks?

    This burgeoning “Progressive” anti-American, anti-Semitic, pro-Russian sentiment and rhetoric permeating the alternative media, or the Fifth Estate, has a proclivity to abuse terminology to the point said terminology lacks not only its former meaning but any meaning at all.

    The most recent example of this is the abuse of the concept of genocide. Everything’s a genocide now, and when everything’s a genocide nothing is. Fifteen hundred non-systemical Palestinian deaths in a conflict now equal six million systemical Jewish deaths involving no conflict. Such abuse of important terms like this eviscerates crucial distinctions and conflates every incident and event into a homologous, indiscernible, miasmatic stew of feckless condemnation. Those who engage in such tactics lose any and all credibility and do their cause, if they have one, an injustice.

    We Need To Have Another Talk

    • truthteller August 4, 2014 at 1:27 pm #

      Yeah, right. Maybe the phenomenon is linked to Zionist propaganda
      for the past many decades calling any criticism of Israel “anti semitic”and-or a harbinger of another “Holocaust.”

      • steelrust August 5, 2014 at 9:31 am #


    • Vlad the Inhaler August 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm #

      Yes, I quite agree, the term ‘genocide’ is massively over-used and misapplied.

      Unfortunately, though, it is an increasingly common phenomenon; the language is debased – probably irreversibly – to the point where meaningful communication is difficult and concepts and ideas are difficult to express in terms that won’t be misunderstood – either out of ignorance or deliberately by those who wish to take advantage of the slackness in contemporary English. Schools, which were once keen on grammar and etymology, now care little for such things and the teachers themselves are barely literate. I have a feeling that someone, somewhere, likes it that way.

      Was it Humpty Dumpty who said something to the effect that “words mean exactly what I want them to mean”. If it was, old Dodgson was far-sighted.

  4. noel bodie August 4, 2014 at 9:55 am #

    It was a poem from that Great war that gave us the phrase “the center cannot hold” and once again things seem to be flying apart. Hang on, it is August.

  5. Greg Knepp August 4, 2014 at 9:56 am #

    No doubt about it: where foreign policy is concerned, we’re always fighting the last war…or perhaps two or three wars ago. The over-riding trends are ignored in favor of theater. It’s hard to see how any good can come of it.

    I can’t be bothered about international issues, though; we’ve had gobs of rain this season here in Ohio, but in the northern part of the state it’s “water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.” This is what the bits and pieces of collapse look like – nothing major, just half-a-million people in one of the rainiest parts of the country with nary a drop of drinking water.

    Now pardon me while I go fill up my jugs.

    • mc53pa August 4, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

      Ohio. God, what a hell hole. My thoughts are with you.

    • Karah August 4, 2014 at 2:39 pm #

      in my corner of the semi arid, its just another day of “jugging it”. (just now made that term up) more for reasons of personal taste than survival. i read your scientists predicted this would happen…in september. still, why were not preparations made way in advance?
      ceramic filtration and reverse osmosis do the trick? look around and tell me who are the households not running for water? anyone risk getting deathly ill by drinking it anyway? how have the restaurants been effected?

      toledo has way more issues being ignored by the leaders besides water…food. you have some long winters.

      • Greg Knepp August 4, 2014 at 4:19 pm #

        I’m in Columbus and we don’t get any water from Lake Erie. But now the Toledo people are getting water from us! The rates will go up. I don’t mind that so much. Water, like gasoline, has probably been too cheap for too long and has spoiled us.

        Like you, I’m shocked that no one was ready for this. It was inevitable given the scope and scale of the algae floes on the lake. My god, why do we have city, state and federal governments, natural resource agencies, the EPA, universities, scientists, news media, etc…? What the hell are they there for? Can’t anyone in any position of responsibility get anything right ever?

        • ozone August 4, 2014 at 5:41 pm #

          Good questions.
          All you have to do is look at what is being funded and what isn’t. Follow the money and draw your own conclusions, accordingly.
          Best of luck to you; water is IT. Ain’t got that and nobody’s got squat.

        • Karah August 5, 2014 at 3:57 am #

          so the senator from d’OH! pulls out a watershed visual aide because farmers in that tri-state region do not seem to understand how they are the cause of this water crisis…all over the usa. look at the ogalala. we know all this already. now what?

          i am suspicious…i think politics is at play here and not just some health danger. i dare someone to drink 8oz of toledo tap water right now! i dare someone to check out prominant Toledo business and residents for activated charcoal filtration systems! i know they have them and have been using them and can afford a dozen years of algae contamination. i think someone is afraid of being sued like the pres is being sued.

        • Reagan August 5, 2014 at 7:41 am #

          Al Gore couldn’t work it into a program to rile up the sheep and make so many millions that he would be 5 times richer than Romney instead of just 3 times richer.

  6. Whoopdy-Do August 4, 2014 at 10:07 am #

    Interesting video posted to YouTube last week:

    Purports to show an Israeli fighter jet giving the inhabitants of an apartment building about 15 seconds to vacate the premises, between the dud warning shot on the roof and the actual missile, which brings down the building.

    As pointed out in the comments on that page, the video is cleverly edited around the 21-second mark, to cut out who knows how much time in the middle of the double-tap. Plus, the Gazans knew the building was going to be knocked down (probably because they had launched rockets nearby), and had a camera fixed in place to record the event.

    It’s an official Arab news service video. The very fact that they broadcast such blatant propaganda rather shows me who’s wearing the black hats in Gaza.

  7. tomLU86 August 4, 2014 at 10:08 am #

    I’m glad to see Mr. Kunstler comment on the big picture again instead of berating readers who don’t support Israel 100%

    It’s much easier to be objective and use the facts in situations where one is not biased, such as the Ukraine or the US Govts remoted control use of drones pretty much when and where it wants.

    Hamas is not going to win the Mother Teresa award, but Jim’s rationalization of the Israeli “response” betray his stong bias and lack of objectivity in this area.

    How did Hamas become somewhat popular? By filling the social void (ie feeding people and tending to them) left by the Palestinian “Authority” and Israel.

    Gaza (and to a lesser extent, the West Bank), is basically one large, open air prison camp, in a rather bleak strip of land. Israel controls what goes in and out. Israel controls the electricity. Desperate people with nothing to lose behave accordingly.

    A savvy student of history, Mr. Kunstler should recognize that the Israeli killings (with the Likudniks solemnly declaring how they suffer for every poor dead Palestinians, even as the blow them up by the dozens), that the German bombing of London stiffened Britain’s resolve, just as the truly criminal, mass incineration of German cities by the US during WWII, such as Dresden, stiffened the Germans’ resolve to fight against the ‘barbarian’ Anglo-Americans. So Jim’s hope that ‘maybe the Palestinians will change their opinion of Hamas’ is not worthy of his intellect. Using his credibility to repeat Israel’s position does readers a disservice.

    I think it would be appropriate for Mr. Kunstler to be honest. “Basically, the issue is, just as two things cannot occupy the same space, the Israeils and native peoples (aka Palestinians) cannot occupy the small strip of land, and attempts to reconcile this unnatural pairing have failed–in large part because Israel has continued to tighten the noose and expand at the subjugated Arabs expense”.

    As with the Ukraine, I don’t think what happens in Israel or Palestine is really a major concern of ours, as our way of life is probably not sustainable (per Jim, and I largely agree), and we need to get our house in order.

    Toward that end, I don’t think we need to give $10, $20, or $30 billion in aid to the stronger power. Let’s just stay out of it, and keep our money here, trying to prolong the life of our crumbling infrastructure, since we’re unwlling to revive our railroads and revisit suburbia”

    • philm August 4, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

      Totally agree with JHK on this: “What part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?”
      At the same time are we assuming that Israel’s political leadership is somehow more competent than our own feckless collection? This WSJ piece from 2009 details how Israel was instrumental in building up Hamas( helped spawn is how they put it).


      You can’t make it up.

      • Karah August 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm #

        how can Israel, as well as every other leadership, be so naive about wars and why they are REALLy fought? its never about black and white.

    • routersurfer August 4, 2014 at 5:42 pm #

      Dear tomUL89, Palestine was what Our Dear Friends in Rome called that part of the world say about 300 BCE. Many people of many religions called it home. One of those groups had the title Jews or Hebrews. Our other friends, the followers of Mohammed did not show up until a bit later. Who is native and who is not is a question lightly taken. Peace to all that wish it.

      • fallout11 August 5, 2014 at 1:49 pm #

        I registered just to correct this misundertanding. The Christian natives of Egypt, The Levant (Palestine), Syria, and Anatolia/Asia Minor (along with some Greeks, various Quraysh/Red Sea coast tribes/clans, and more than a few citizens of Rome’s old enemy, Sassanid Persia) were all Monosyphites.
        After centuries of being treated as second class citizens and later officially declared heretics by the church, they converted virtually en-mass to Islam when Mohammad’s forces arrived. Mohammad had originally espoused a form of Christianity that deviated from doctrine, and had been declared a heretic. Later he returned with his own special flavor, raised an army, and made history stamping out paganism in his homeland.

        • starfish lady August 9, 2014 at 1:30 pm #

          you forgot to mention the FORCED conversions. Mohammad ( I think the name was a title) and not a person, was a warlord who cut people’s heads off. If you don’t convert, then you are a dhimmi. It’s better to be dead than a dhimmi.

  8. Whoopdy-Do August 4, 2014 at 10:11 am #

    I now see that somebody added a note to the video confirming there was a 5-minute interval in the vid. That wasn’t there last week…they had to admit they got caught out.

    • Petro August 4, 2014 at 10:30 am #

      Five minutes?! And that’s an acceptable amount of time, for an apartment building full of people? What if the people on the lower floors didn’t get the “message” for a couple minutes? What if the stairways were jammed with panicky residents? What if someone had to chase after their kids, round them up, and get them out?

      What is the point of this remark?

      • Whoopdy-Do August 4, 2014 at 11:01 am #

        I thought the point of the comment was clear. The point is, Hamas continues to try to make Israel look like the bad guys. They made an oversight when they showed the warning shot at all. Bad guys don’t fire warning shots.

        The time interval you bewail is actually even longer than five minutes: not from the impact of the dud warning shot, but the instant Hamas fires a rocket from alongside your building.

        Rather than wait for the tap on the roof, your hypothetical Palestinians would be better advised to chase their “kids and panicky residents” the minute their so-called protectors make targets of them all. Or better yet, demand that Hamas desist in sacrificing them for a few contrived PR points.

      • Whoopdy-Do August 4, 2014 at 11:03 am #

        PS: You can have the last word. I gotta go to work.

  9. seawolf77 August 4, 2014 at 10:20 am #

    What is utterly hilarious is the certainty of the comments on this blog. Advertising is the confusing of a brand and an experience. The skill which one does that is evident in the purchase of the product without conscious recollection of the ad. The most blatant example of this are beer commercials. Does anyone really believe if you buy Coronas you’ll have bikini clad buxom beauties swooning at your feet? Somebody does, else they wouldn’t be showing it to you. In the Middle East you have the Jewish ads purporting the righteous defense of their homeland and the Arab ads purporting the slaughter of innocent children. Who do you believe? I think when I see dead kids and blown up schools it’s an easy call, but hey that’s just me. If they’re putting the missiles in with women and children, figure out another way of taking the missiles out, like putting boots on the ground. If you say the cost is too high, than you’re willing to murder women and children because it is easier and cheaper. In other words, the Jewish brand is the Jewish experience; no advertising is required.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 4, 2014 at 5:47 pm #

      Why not? The Corona makes you feel good and that’s kin to looking good and making eyes at the ladies. They need to work more on the females to get them to associate drinking a Corona with being successful.

  10. Neon Vincent August 4, 2014 at 10:23 am #

    “Starting from the premise that nothing is funnier than unhappiness, how funny is it that the US affects to manage the great demographic upheavals of the Middle East and Europe while it can’t even protect its own citizens from the still-florid looting and swindling operations of Wall Street — not to mention the wholesale renting of congressmen, cabinet secretaries, supreme court justices, and White House aides by US chartered corporations?”

    Bitterly funny. The difference is that it could, but a lot of the people in charge really don’t want to. They’re too busy riding the gravy train. Exceptions are politicians like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who people on the left are trying to draft to run for president to give them a credible candidate to vote for other than Hillary Clinton. I was at Netroots Nation in Detroit a couple of weeks ago when Senator Warren spoke and most of the crowd was holding up signs and wearing hats saying “Warren for President” and chanting “Run, Liz, run!” Officially, Warren wants no part of that.

    • Neon Vincent August 4, 2014 at 10:29 am #

      “Speaking of capital markets, keep your eyes on the US indexes. Never has so much fragility-in-motion come so close to an implacable wall of consequence. All hell seems to be breaking loose.”

      I’ve been waiting for the stock indexes to turn down for more than a year as the Dow and S&P have been climbing a wall of worries to new nominal highs (and the Dow actually hit new real highs) for more than a year now. Last week, the markets had their worst day of the year as they fell on what would normally be considered good news, three consecutive months of more than 200,000 jobs being created. At the same time, consumer confidence reached a post-recession high, reaching levels not seen since 2007. Also, wage growth finally returned to levels not seen since the recession. All that good news for the average American sent the markets plunging because it meant that Yellen and the Fed were more likely to take the punchbowl of zero Interest rates away. No more ZIRP, no more party. Who cares if the economy is showing signs that would be wonderful for business as usual? Wall Street doesn’t. Besides, even they sense these are not business as usual times.

      • CancelMyCard August 4, 2014 at 10:44 am #

        Please don’t tell me you actually believe the GBS (Government Bullshit Statistics) emanating from the anal orifice of Washington, DC.

        Maybe more people are realizing that the heavily-massaged-and-lubricated data the Administration spews, is indicative of the typical mass outpouring of lies which occurs just before a government’s transition into pure tyranny.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 4, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

      I’m desperately hoping Liz runs. She must be portrayed constantly with Indian feathers. You see Vinnie, what you don’t get but what most people do, is that calling herself an Indian was despicable. Not just a lie, but a base ignoble ploy, disrespectful to both Whites and Indians.

  11. AKlein August 4, 2014 at 10:26 am #

    Current events certainly do not augur well. Too many unsustainable behaviors are now coming to their bitter end. All forecast and promptly ignored. We are approaching a phase change, an inflection point. That probably means war. It’s fairly likely that our living quarters will not be spared this time. I hope I’m wrong.

    • ozone August 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

      I hear you, loud and clear.

      Here’s a telling symptom of a collapsing system; the furtherance of the Deep [,Dark] State. Sure they’re desperate, they should be, when they are the very “folks” that made all these untenable and bloody messes (eagerly supported by those in the “representative” part of govt. who hoped to gain wealth and power). Always seems to follow a rather predictable timeline and progression of dissolution, doesn’t it?


      As is made abundantly clear in the article, this is only a report on one activity of one of SEVENTEEN secret agencies supported, funded and kow-towed to by our tattered govt. in the pretense of serving-and-protecting the lumpenprole.

      It appears to me that these ‘activities’ are a last-ditch attempt to snuff the lit fuse that snakes, sputters and sparks its’ way to the powder magazine. Will they escape the consequences of their actions when, indeed, All Hell breaks loose? (They’ve created chaos; can they then be untouched by its uncaring and unpredictable tendrils? Feinstein got burned by her own flame and now she’s shocked and horrified! Hubris and outright stupidity. )

      Be advised, I certainly don’t think the general public will be awakened or alarmed if/when this report sees the light of day. It’s not what I’d term a tipping point, it’s a symptom of the disease for those of us with the stomach to watch it metastasize.

      • truthteller August 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm #

        It’s worth noting, these things:
        Obama refused to fire the liar Brennan. This to me is the Elite telling us, we will stand by the Police State even when it gives the appearance of having us blackmailed and afraid to rein it in.
        Because we are more afraid of you, ultimately, as things collapse, than it.

        The other thing? William Kristol, Israel’s archetypal dual loyalist, expressed his indignance and opposition yesterday when a fellow panelist suggested if the CIA/NSA keeps acting in bad faith, another Church committee should be formed.

        Kristol explained that the Church committee had destroyed our intelligence for 15 years in the 1970s, with the resulting growth of militant Islam and harm to our “allies.”
        We understand which ally Billy cares about, so Police State it must be!

  12. liquid lennny August 4, 2014 at 10:30 am #

    Yes, it seems the world is going “full retart” at an accelerating pace.

    However, now throw the ultimate death card, Ebola into the mix and soon enough there may not be any further need for these messy armed political conflicts. Nature could settle all scores for us herself and she doesn’t play nice.

    I suggest everyone monitor this latest outbreak of Ebola closely…latest death toll is nearly 900 and is now appearing in major Africian cities.

    We may all be living in real life “Hot Zones” sooner than we thought possible. I honestly didn’t give N.T.E. much thought till recently…

    Remember the ol’ saying, ” If you’re not a little paranoid then you really don’t understand the situation” .

    • Neon Vincent August 4, 2014 at 11:15 am #

      I’ve been monitoring it for the past few weeks. It’s scary, as the Ebola outbreak is now a top story. I appreciate the “Hot Zone” reference. Stephen King described the first chapter about an Ebola patient dying on a plane as “the scariest thing he’d ever read–and then it got worse!” I’d trust King on scary.

      • liquid lennny August 4, 2014 at 4:21 pm #

        Glad to hear at least someone else is keeping tabs on the situation.
        “The Hot Zone” reference I was alluding to is the book by Richard Preston. Steven King commented “One of the most horrifying things I’ve ever read” and he’s one guy who should know horror. I suggest adding “The Hot Zone” to one’s late summer reading list, I was hooked midway through the first page.

    • I think I understand the situation.

      The hysteria is overwrought.

  13. bill portus August 4, 2014 at 10:48 am #

    Jim you say that “…children are being used to play the suspension of US immigration laws by cynical US political party hacks.”

    Are you saying this news story and those like it are fabrications or what? Are they not many unaccompanied child refugees fleeing drug cartel violence, sex trafficking, etc.?


    • James Howard Kunstler August 4, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

      These demographic movements are just a taste of the desperation that will play out in the months and years ahead. The reality is the USA cannot have an open border. In acting as if this is so, we’re just prompting larger numbers to come here. We can’t fix all the sorrows of the other nations of the world. We have enough problems of our own — JHK

      • stelmosfire August 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm #

        Well sail Jim, We should close our borders NOW!, We have enough freeloaders as it is. 49,000,000 on SNAP, equal nos. on fuel assistance, and between 20,000,000 and 40,000,000 on disability, many of whom are not disabled. I have relatives, they don’t work.Never Had. They all get medicaid, food stamps, housing, etc. etc. all on your and mine dime.

        • aaron_espro August 5, 2014 at 6:51 pm #

          You have an IQ?

          40 million people are being paid less than the 1968 minimum wage-10.68 an hour.

          That is probably why we have so many on SNAP.

          It’s a great scam. The wealthiest members of our society declare their profits in Ireland (Google pays 12 percent taxes this way), so they don’t have to pay into the same tax system we do. The “middle class” pick up the bill for social programs this way.

      • GutenbergGuy August 4, 2014 at 3:40 pm #

        I would just be more comfortable with this statement if you would also acknowledge the why and what these children are fleeing.

        And acknowledge our government’s role – unchanged by either Clinton or Obama – in both the why and the what.

        For me, the horror has come down to this: The adults in the world are AWOL and the children are suffering the consequences.

        • Cavepainter August 6, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

          Please, please, please; there is neither time nor resources to pay penance for perceived wrongs of the past. Humanity is at a pinch point and its too late to prattle about who or what actions brought us to this point. The cruel fact is that survival — with any level of livability to make life worth living — will be spotty in the future at best. Fate or God(s) — whichever — is ironic for having sidestepped all idealistic notions of justice, limiting prospect for survival only in places that yet retain balance between sustainable resources and current population. In other words, cut the sophomoric moralizing about balancing the grief of the world. JUST QUIT, its too damn late. Such moralizing is squandering chance of survival here. GET IT???????

      • routersurfer August 4, 2014 at 5:47 pm #

        Mr. Kunstler, can we close it? I am not sure.

      • Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:26 am #

        You know a bit of history no Kunstler? Borders will not be closed and as you have correctly pointed out problems will soon be of a more existential nature. If the Mexicans and Central Americans show up well they will bring on a new standard of what will be the new society–less complex and far greener (you should be happy). The fat, tattoed, lazy and stupid pre-diabetic, debt ridden whites of america will not generate any solution and hell if the palestinians are not worth saving why are the people of wal-mart worth your concern?

      • seawolf77 August 5, 2014 at 10:59 am #

        You know why there are no homeless people in Canada? Because it gets freakin cold up there.

        • AKlein August 5, 2014 at 6:30 pm #

          The North Dakotans are reputed to have a saying – “40 below keeps out the trash!” I heard that 45 years ago when I lived in Seattle.

      • aaron_espro August 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

        “Cannot have an open border”

        It is a 1,933 mile long border, Kunstler. Enlighten us how we secure that. For someone who touts himself as ruthlessly, unapolagetically pragmatic, well…that’s not pragmatic at all.

        All the money that we spend securing that would be better spent on integrating immigrants. Education, healthcare, etc. And if you haven’t noticed, immigration is a net economic benefit to Texas, at least, my home state.

        No, Kunstler, we have to accept that the border will always be a permeable membrane. Build a wall, and they will tunnel under it, or just get on boats to California or Louisiana

        You’ve really gotten on the xenophobia wagon lately.

        • gasman August 6, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

          How does increased immigration improve our society. Explain how our access to health care, housing and food is increased with an increasing population. If immigration from Mexico was largely a positive you would think everyone would want to live in east LA.

          Think about an Immigrant family with 4 children which is the average size of a family from Mexico. The cost of public school in Dallas is about $15,000 per child per year. Society bears a cost of $15,000.00 x 4 x 12 = $720,000.00 through high school.
          Let us assume that our immigrant family income is $45,000.00 per year and by some fluke they are on a W2 and actually pay taxes. With 4 children their tax credits should drop taxable income to about 30,000.00 at a 20% rate that is $6000.00 per year. lets assume they are paying around $2000.00 per year in property tax for a total of $8000.00 per year in tax. Multiply by a 40 year working life and we have $320,000.00 in their life time they don’t come close to being a net positive. This cost will be distributed to you and I. We have not even started to talk about their health care tab. Second and third generation Mexican immigrants utilize some form of government support at rates of well over 50%, so you cannot argue that this investment in the children is having a payback.

          Yes we can do something that will stop illegal immigration tomorrow without punishing the poor immigrant and that is to set up a database of US citizen’s to be used as a clearinghouse of information for anyone seeking employment in the US. As long as a company vetted their employee through this database they have immunity from any employment law. Then put in place laws that provide for mandatory minimum sentences for the CEO and CFO of any Company that hires an illegal not cleared through the database. A chill would spread over the entire country tomorrow and immigration would take care of itself.

          • Karah August 8, 2014 at 3:22 pm #

            a database like…

            the social security administration’s?

  14. christiangustafson August 4, 2014 at 11:05 am #

    Oy vey! TWMBH3 is due out tomorrow.

    Signed copy duly ordered from Battenkill. I paid extra for the drone-shipping.

    Side bets now for whether or not Jim can get part 4 out before TSHTF. We may have to pass it around via oral tradition.

    • Karah August 4, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

      ha! the reviews are asking for more about a series describing the end of everything, including kunstlers short publishing career.

      seasons are harsh up there in ny. he needs to get stuff out before winter!

  15. ghostlimb August 4, 2014 at 11:12 am #

    Provocative and thoughtful commentary…


  16. FincaInTheMountains August 4, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

    World Opinion? What’s that?
    As far as I can see there is systemic paid-for controlled propaganda and somewhat childish, but nevertheless sulky views of broad american public

  17. pkrugman August 4, 2014 at 12:18 pm #

    “and now they dare squawk that these arsenals are being targeted, even as Hamas continues its rocket attacks?” — JHK

    Not true. There has been universal condemnation of Hamas placement of rockets where civilians are put at risk. I have not seen a single person or group praise what Hamas is doing with rockets.

    You say there has not been a “peep” yet even a rudimentary Google search shows this not to be true.

    The UN has made press releases condemning the Hamas rockets. The EU has condemned Hamas. Human rights organizations, clergy of all faiths, the United States president, even Muslim congressman Ellison … They have all condemned Hamas. Universal condemnation.

    I challenge anyone to find an official statement of support for Hamas placement of rockets in schools.

    Nary a peep, JHK? Ha! Not true. A roar of condemnation is what the world has expressed, against Hamas and against Israel’s slaughter of innocents.

    Now Israel beats a hasty retreat. Mission accomplished? No. Situation worsened? Yes. Hatred inflamed? Yes. Hamas vows to continue taking the fight to a retreating Israel.

    Responding with overwhelming and disproportionate force obviously does not work, as the last decades of Israeli military action has shown.

    • Karah August 4, 2014 at 3:09 pm #

      so i ask again, if a city state group like hamas wants to go to war with a neighbor city state group, where do they shoot from without risking civilians lives? this is the stupidest war ever in the history of wars!
      people do not even want to recognize a war is taking place!
      its gone on all my life and i have seen this play out again and again on world news reports and nothing changes and i have grown apathetic.
      i have been conditioned to think this is normal and acceptable behavior for that part of the world.

    • GutenbergGuy August 4, 2014 at 3:50 pm #

      This is an area in which I find Jim rather less than insightful. So far it’s the only one.

      Remember: Whenever you see or hear military armaments in action – what I call “guns & ammo on parade” – what you should be “hearing” is Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

      The sounds of cash registers! All the other blather is just that – blather.

  18. mc53pa August 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm #

    Good to see the author denigrating the lives of kids. “What part of illegal immigrant don’t you get”. (Glad to see Jim adopting the language of the Right”). Well, if I were a 5 year old child, I wouldn’t get that at all. Don’t worry, we’ll make all you haters happy. They will be sent home to their violent homelands and possibly killed. Meanwhile you can assuage yourself with your own belief (like you know, your not on the ground there) that all these children’s deaths in Gaza have been orchestrated by Hamas. That makes it OK. I get it. The “rule of law” gets spoken about a lot on this blog. Good thing that term is being used to justify children being killed or deported back to some hell hole. Congrats. Your morality is intact.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 4, 2014 at 1:40 pm #

      So you care just as much about other people’s kids as you do your own? How would you feel if somebody walked into your house and took groceries because their kids needed them? You wouldn’t like it or allow it, yet that’s what you want for America.

      • aaron_espro August 5, 2014 at 6:59 pm #

        You have an IQ?

        “How would you feel if somebody walked into your house and took groceries because their kids needed them?”

        This is called a fallacy of composition. Sorry, a family of four taking on another dependent is NOTHING, at ALL, whatsoEVER, like a country of 320 million people (which is the richest country in the history of the world), providing for a few thousand homeless children.

        The United States could have been using it’s vast power and influence in the past 60 years to change the world, including Mexico and Guatemala. And we can still do that.

    • GutenbergGuy August 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm #

      Even scarier?

      These same words could be addressed to President Barack Obama.

      Also more depressing.

  19. stelmosfire August 4, 2014 at 12:29 pm #

    Hamas, Hummus, who’s among us.
    All are strong, yet no ones wrong.
    Launch a missile, just don’t go fissile.
    News real footage is very visual.
    F-16’s from Boeings wing.
    They don’t solve a F##king thing.
    Kill a baby for goodness sakes.
    All in all a huge mistake.
    Sorry for this crappy poem.
    Time for me to mind my home.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm #

      Hi Stel. What do you think about the case in N.Y where the Police choked a guy until he had a coronary and died? We’ve come to expect this kind of thing from the police, but amazingly, the EMTs apparently didn’t even try and save his life. A new low.

      • stelmosfire August 4, 2014 at 1:56 pm #

        Unfortunately, often the younger EMT/Paramedics are on the police side of the fence. I worked with dozens of them. Everyone is an assh##l and guilty until proven otherwise. I would tell my patients to shut-up and get in the ambulance ASAP before the LEO got a hold of them. Maybe it’s me but I feel the younger LEO’s have a huge chip on their shoulder, not so much for the older guys but they are all retiring. Call it a power complex or whatever. They all seem to be on the shorter side also. We have a woman that’s 5′ 0″ and 100 lbs. Nothing but a liability in a bar fight.

    • BackRowHeckler August 4, 2014 at 6:41 pm #

      and don’t forget about Ebola

      imported in the land of Coca Cola …

      (where coke was invented

  20. Beryl of Oyl August 4, 2014 at 1:02 pm #

    I like the line about Europe blowing itself apart for no good reason. Back when I was in school, learning about World War I, I remember being perplexed when hearing about the cause of that war for the first time. It just did not make sense to me. World War II, that had a clearly defined madman, but I didn’t really understand the Japanese part either.

  21. oldnurse August 4, 2014 at 1:10 pm #

    The Intercept is providing some excellent counterpoint to the mainstream American media on the situation in Gaza and Israel.


    • Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:29 am #

      Greenwald nails it. Fair and fact based. The JHK of old would be carrying on like Greenwald with incisive high quality journalism and thoughtful essay. Now, he is carrying on like my uncle Chaim in Queens who is a mouthpiece for the Israeli government.

  22. davisherb August 4, 2014 at 1:10 pm #

    If it wasn’t for the illegal blockade the civilians would not be trapped in Gaza and I doubt trapped people are being “used by Hamas”!

    Both sides may be wrong and correct to some degree, Istael is wrong in the deadliest fashion! Look at the numbers !

  23. MisterDarling August 4, 2014 at 1:17 pm #

    Well, here’s a paragraph that I can ‘second’ without a second-thought:

    “Demonic forces are on the loose again now one hundred years after Europe blew itself apart for no good reason. (Why? Because some young Serbian nobody killed the heir to the Austrian throne on a back street in Sarajevo?) Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now. Here in the depraved and disintegrating USA, we pretend that Afghanistan threatens our national interest from 7,000 miles away while denying that Russia has any business with its crumbling next-door neighbor (and former province), Ukraine — the crumbling of which was bought and paid for by the US Department of State and CIA.”-J H K.

    I’m particularly in agreement with this sentence:

    “Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now.”-jhk.

    Yes. We are dangerously close to a vortex of deep and abiding (and *irrevocable*) stupidity. I don’t like it, but _this_is_what_is_…

    Good on ya’ – in general.


  24. richsob August 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

    There can be no in between with the situation in Iraq. Either we pull the plug and watch that entire area of the world eventually sink into a miasma of 6th century misery or we fill the air with B-52’s and Warthogs to carpet bomb ISIS back to hell and gone. Anything else is a recipe for just more of the same: disaster on a scale that has wasted U.S.military power while also dealing a staggering blow to the nation’s fragile financial system. ISIS has no defense against an air campaign. None. So, what is it? Do we go home or do we go Roman on them? Either option is rife with danger but SOMEBODY needs to make a decision and stick with it. It’s too bad we have gone from a President that loved war to a President who isn’t capable of running a taco stand. We need an Eisenhower type right now who has the experience and intelligence to make this tough decision and the U.S. people also trust him/her enough to have made the right decision.

    • GutenbergGuy August 4, 2014 at 4:19 pm #

      I think the “Roman” option is, shall we say, already being prepared.

      What other take can one have on, e.g., the billions in heavy armaments we have sold to various “players” in the region?

      According to Jon Stewart, e.g., that included $11Billion worth for Qatar alone. And he went around the region, like Wolf Blitzer reporting vote tallies, to virtually every country, on all sides, in the region.

      So you see, this is the real import of all the rhetoric.

      It all comes down to monthly sales figures. The only statistics that really count.

  25. truthteller August 4, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

    Well, of course it’s the true small government-libertarian position, but why expect Jim Kunstler to promote it when even Rand Paul has abandoned his father’s longstanding stand against foreign aid to all the parties?

    BTW, has anyone mentioned the UN and others concerned told Israel many of these buildings where innocents have been killed in significant numbers and sites had no Hamas fighters or weapons contained therein?

    In fairness to Jim, the drone bombing war crimes and that of Iraq
    by the US government have also been meekly protested by the “left” which might fear alienating the black vote. If the superhawkish Hillary gets in, the same will apply to the feminists as she conducts war crimes as the one she applauded in Libya.

    The Empire will have collapse through overstretch and economic fraility, not through the apathetic public’s protests, barring of course a re-instituted draft.

  26. pkrugman August 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm #

    Speaking of capital markets, keep your eyes on the US indexes. Never has so much fragility-in-motion come so close to an implacable wall of consequence. All hell seems to be breaking loose. –JHK

    More distraction and disinformation fro JHK.

    HERE IS THE TRUTH: 1:07 PM ET 8/4/2014 market quotes:

    DJIA –> UP

    S&P 500 –> UP

    NASDAQ –> UP

    All he’ll is not breaking loose.

  27. pkrugman August 4, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

    It’s too bad we have gone from a President that loved war to a President who isn’t capable of running a taco stand.
    Yet Obama was able to run a campaign and defeat McCain.
    Then Obama was able to run a campaign to defeat Romney.

    Then Obama was able to get medical coverage for millions of previously uninsured Americans, something the previous nine presidents could not accomplish.

    Finally, Obama has stopped the combat deaths of American soldiers because he ended the wars we were fighting and refused to get suckered into new wars.

    • richsob August 4, 2014 at 4:26 pm #

      Is that the best rebuttal you can give? Figures.

      The U.S. economy is in the tank, our fiscal situation is dire, Obama has added $7 TRILLION to the national debt, the Middle East is in flames, our relations with our allies is at a near all-time low, the Russians are playing Obama like a fiddle and the Chinese are running circles around him. Oh, did I mention the open borders where people from over 75 countries have come in illegally since January? And may I add his administration’s refusal to rein in Wall Street? The guy is an abject failure. Just because you are emotionally invested in him to the point you refuse to see that even his “greatest accomplishment” (Obamacare) is also badly out of control don’t expect the rest of us to sit still in the next election and perpetuate what he has done over the past 5 years. The American people have caught on to what this guy and his supporters are all about.

      • aaron_espro August 5, 2014 at 7:02 pm #

        The president of the US is not a dictator, he has to go through congress to make things happen.

        Oh yeah, the house is controlled by obstructionist fascist pigs called Republicans.

  28. Therian August 4, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

    Mr. Kunstler, I think your rationality is coming unhinged. Even one of your Israeli posters noted that 17 Israeli deaths in 5 years via Hamas rockets is not a just cause for the slaughter of thousands. This same poster, in a dark sense of humor noted that, “More israelis choke to death on falafels in that time period that die by Hamas rockets”.

    Seventeen deaths in five years deserves 2000 deaths in a month? Give it up, man. Go back to posting about the subject ALLEGEDLY the raison d’etre of this blog i.e., peak resources. These constant pro-Zionist screeds are making a mockery of your mission and I suspect soon, the entire edifice of your reputation.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 4, 2014 at 3:06 pm #

      Therian — It’s not as though Hamas didn’t TRY to kill more Israelis. They apparently lack the ability to target their rockets, and Israel’s anti-missile system has shot down a percentage of them. Again it comes down to: what part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?

      • Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:12 am #

        Yep, lets slaughter kids because they are trying albeit unsuccessfuly to kill Israelis with piping made with fertilizer. So lets get this straight, some desperate sob shoots a rocket that does nothing and you go and kill 300 kids? You kill the kids because some guy was essentially shooting with a sling shot. Gotcha boychik.

      • Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:13 am #

        What part of ridiculous pretext for murder of children do you not understand?

      • WW August 5, 2014 at 9:59 am #

        How many Americans would accept their children going to a school that not only has shelters, civil defence volunteers, armed parents and teachers and a reinforced concrete roof on every classroom and even a covered reinforced concrete covered play area. The school in Askelon has them. The hospital has a hardened A and E. Childrens wards and maternity ward. The same hospital is currently treating Palestinian wounded at the moment. The same hospital has a huge mental health section. PTSD from the constant rocket attacks is rife.
        The better part of 2000 people wounded as well as the dead, thousands of rockets. If the Irish had launched one tenth of that British tanks would’ve been parked up in Dublin in less than a week, we would have accepted nothing less than the total elimination of the IRA and its supporters.
        The fact that Israel is supposed to accept this and that casualties by them are unacceptable is a shameful double standard imposed on them.
        As You point out re Afghanistan and Iraq. The reality is more iraqi civilians died in Fallujah than in all the years combined in Gaza. How many rockets from there hit the US again?
        Russia is given a free pass on Chechenya, where whole towns have been “depopulated”. A quarter of a million dead Christians in Sudan, millions displaced, thats ok. The Christians are black, so Janos is happy, and the Muslims in the north are well muslims and we can’t be critical of them now can we.
        The only shiny bit about ISIL and ISIS is that both Syria, supplier to the murderous sudanese militias, and Iran are pooping themselves. They’ve finally met someone more murderous that they are. Unfortunately if they continue taking ground and the man child president, accompanied by the current bunch of wet nappies we have, fails to act decisively we’ll all be walki g everywhere a lot sooner than we thought!
        Just to put the icing on the cake Obama has just had dinner with yet another lunatic African dictator. Next up USA to build statue to honour Idi Amin…………

        • Rubaiyat August 5, 2014 at 5:08 pm #

          I think you’ve nailed it.

          Scary postmodern, internet-age myopia going on these days.

    • Javamtn August 4, 2014 at 5:22 pm #


      You’re certainly entitled to your opinion regarding the above post but, with all due respect, it’s hardly appropriate for you to be dictating the terms of Mr. Kunstler’s blog. He’s not Bob Dylan, and this ain’t the Newport Folk Festival.

      Meanwhile…just a suggestion… if you require that level of control, it’s time to start your own blog.

      • Therian August 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm #

        Mr. Kunstler knows it’s his blog. Therefore, he knows that I know that I cannot “dictate”. However, the question is, is it rational? On a blog that purports to be about unsustainable American culture and its accompaniments (urban blight, overconsumption, waste, and so on), devoting three weeks worth of space in the prime article of the week to supporting Israel would be like a finance blog posting about the moderator’s support for the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team. Is this a non sequitur or do you carry a lunch?

        He’s also none too consistent with his standards about posting quality when he wrote last week in the middle of an argument a post whose totality was: “Go fuck yourself, Toktami”. I guess if you’re the blog moderator you can also violate your standards about the civility of participation.

        Strange as this may be to contemplate, many of us here look at the Israel/Hamas set-to as being far less important than what’s happening in Detroit or other more-dangerous-than-Baghdad American cities. What’s Israel to me? A New Jersey-sized country that has no oil that sucks American resources. I’d rather spend billions to try to save Philadelphia than save Israel.

        • Javamtn August 7, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

          I’ve not been reading Mr Kunstler’s blog long enough to know what it ‘purports to be about’, but it’s ‘his’ show…so it’ll be about whatever he wants it to be about.

          The events of the past month obviously impacted Mr Kunstler such that he felt compelled to write about it here. And why not? It’s not as if he was addressing some obscure, isolated topic, as the events of the past month were/are being discussed everywhere. Readers may agree or disagree with Mr Kunstler’s views, but they are not free to censor him.

          Meanwhile, I believe what happens thousands of miles away has a ripple effect that impacts us all…everyone, everywhere, all the time. It’s not just ‘Clusterfuck Nation’…it’s ‘Clusterfuck World’.

  29. BioWebScape August 4, 2014 at 2:13 pm #

    James,, Good post, hope you are returning to health and willbe with us as long as you are willing. or God is willing to keep you here.

    Demonic is the name of game and always has been the boiling point of the stew pot of Earth is rolling along, and the flux and durse are flaming off. the whol thing is a long story line and you know of it, but might only see it from the side of the Fundies, or the Catholic or the jewish right the land.

    All covenants of old are null and void up to a point.. Zion’s holy mountain is more on the spiritual side of the area than a real side of the area.. There isn’t going to be a 3rd Temple.. That was Christ.. There is going to be an END but that isn’t known when andit could be another 3,500,876 years till it happens.

    I go for the long optiion myself, from my own Personal talks with The Trinity are still moving the heavenly kingdom into the earthly diminsions… the lords pray has a clue in it… On earth as it is in heaven…. still got some ways to go, so brew the coffee sit back take your time getting your house in order, but prepare for a long trip a few more empire resets maybe and or I am full of Shit ((( not much as I have been on a low food diet for a while ))) and God plans to take it all to End Point in 2 seconds after I hit send,, so if you read this, that was wrong, but the second time might not be… the point is as Christ Followers, we are to prepare for his coming as a theif in the night, but whatever happens, we are to feed his sheep and love the whole world as if they were his sheep…… so

    I have my biowebscape design project, I have some feedings to do at my church’s next planning cycle, on thursday we had been being boiled off the foam and demons taking off the people that weren’t really ready yet, but the demons aren’t the winners,, Chris is already the winner, he is risen… All this is the dressing and the dance of the people Christ or pre-christ follower….

    If you start shooting about at me in my local,, I will pray and step between the guns and the flock,,, I also am training a group I call FireAngels…. People that are willing to be the Jedi like group to step into the fray and keep the sheep safe, with no guns blazing away,, We do not carry guns… a 6 foot wooden stave or two, but no guns…. we are sheep herders,, no need to shoot things,, thewolves, come and I howl a bit toward them and they realize whatever God wants them to realize.. be they people or animals..

    My block of street all 11 houses long with an L curve nestled into another L curve going the other direction and also heading a 2 story house hieght higher in 1/2 a block, they all know I am the Local muscle, mover here. After all if you have a6 foot stave balanced on your head as you walk barefoot over an up and down rolling yard with tree stumps sinking into theground and uneven tundra like grass and your stave does not fall off your head, people take notice… smiles.

    Charles E Owens Jr.
    Aka Fireangelsix
    Aka BioWebScape head designer..

    • Janos Skorenzy August 4, 2014 at 2:30 pm #

      You better trade that staff in for a light saber – much less random than a blaster! With it you’ll be able to effortlessly deflect the bullets the bullies shoot at you and your flock.

      Wool and mutton prices are already going down in anticipation. This kind of anticipatory consumption is one of the many horrors of capitalism. Have a famine? Food prices go way up of course. It’s not only rational but moral, right?

      • BioWebScape August 5, 2014 at 3:00 pm #

        I do have the Iron GasPipe, but have not trained with it in a while, I used to be able to hold the end of it, 7 pounds, then extend my arm out, straight, so I have that ( axe trick that Abe lincoln showed off with) it means I have center body control, back control and arm control, and I could weld it from that position, meaning that my reach is 6 feet plus arm length or about 8 feet in a radius from my center position, or a space of 200 square feet. Most people would assume that I couldn’t so that, but you are only safe around me outside the 8 foot zone… how many people wanting to fight you, stand 10 feet away from you? Only those with guns, and even they can get cocky and step to close.

        So I say again, wooden staves are hurtful to things if you are not expecting to get you arm almost knocked off with a fast whirrling round house or step lunge spin, I can easily break bones and seriously harm some one with it. ……..

        Sheep prices may go up a bit, but broken wolves and limping thugs might also go up in number.


  30. studejack August 4, 2014 at 2:16 pm #

    Is every discussion on every remote topic destined to slide down a slippery slope into the endless topic of Israel/Palestine? If one were to read this and the previous two blogs, one should surely think so. Yet “[w]e can’t fix all the sorrows of the other nations of the world. We have enough problems of our own,” JHK says. Is this not what we should be focusing on? I am in the process of trying to prevent my 82-year-old mother from losing her home of 31 years to a reverse mortgage company for the crime of having missed several months of mortgage insurance premiums (her cost $53 per month; theirs $110. Total non-paid premiums ten months, for which they want $1,400 plus fees and charges, i.e., $7,500, which they want her to pay off in monthly payments). There isn’t a gibbet high enough to hang these criminals from.

  31. Swiss Expat August 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm #

    Gotta love the Hamas PR department. Hundreds, no thousands of pictures in the press of destruction, weeping women, dead civilians and not a single picture of a Hamas gunman or Hamas men shooting rockets. Not a single picture. I’ve been through the Grey Lady’s screen show many times – not a single picture of a Hamas gunman or rocketeer.

    And when a rocket misfires and lands on civilians, it is just so easy to blame Israel. Hamas said it, so it must be true.

    The rockets are inaccurate and only cause terror. So let’s leave Hamas alone until they get better rockets. And those terror tunnels, well they had no better use for the concrete. They have enough schools, apartments and civilian bomb shelters, right?

  32. pauldorn August 4, 2014 at 2:50 pm #

    Condemning Hamas for its rockets is like condemning a rape victim for daring to scratch her assailant. How dare she!

    Of course I’ll condemn the rockets and minimal the civilian deaths in Israel. But I start my condemnation with the occupation and relentless humiliation and oppression that Israel has inflicted on the indigenous Arab population of Palestine, effectively since its founding. Sniper attacks, detentions, checkpoints, house demolitions, bulldozing of olive trees, land theft, water diversion, and on and on–this is the Israeli oppression that MUST END.

    It disappoints me that James Howard Kunstler seems to have no understanding of imperialism and the history of the region. This conflict is simple: One side is the colonizer and one is the colonized; one side is the occupier and one is the occupied; one side is the oppressor and the other the oppressed. Shameful that JHK doesn’t get this.

    Further, Zionism is fundamentally a form of ethnic nationalism, which always leads to catastrophe (Nazi Germany, Serbia, etc.) The suggested “two-state” solution is a fraud, meant to distract while Israel changes the “facts on the ground” by building settlements and maxxing the oppression. To me, the only way to resolve this is a single bi-national secular democratic state (as suggested by Ali Abunimah and others.)

    But what do I know, you wonder. Stupid goy. And I’m pretty sure you’re equally dismissive of Jewish thinkers like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, Max Blumenthal, etc. However, do you have any concerns–any?–about Israel’s historic trajectory? How many Muslims would Israel have to kill before you might begin to question its morality? 50,000? 500,000? Six million?

    It’s pretty clear to me–and many others, Jewish and otherwise–that the façade of Israeli “liberal democracy” is pretty tattered, and its true character as a right-wing, militaristic, expansionist apartheid regime is becoming more evident. You can dismiss me, I’m pretty sure. But what about figures like Henry Seigman:

    And regarding Islamic fundamentalism, I’m onboard for the opposition to that. How about we begin by ending the sale of weapons and other support to Saudi Arabia, the fountainhead of radical theological nonsense.

    • James Howard Kunstler August 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm #

      Paul Dorn says: Hamas rockets are like the scratching back of a rape victim

      That is stupid, disingenuous, and scurrilous.

      • Ben Franklin August 4, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

        I am more than a little surprised at your last two posts Jim.

        I had thought the emerging awareness of this new Warsaw ghetto would lead you to the conclusion that the Palestinians have few options than to fight back with donkey-bombs and bottle-rockets.

        Sequestered and hobbled with little access to potable water even before this is venal enough. But shattering infrastructure like a power plant or the only grain-mill in Gaza, have clearly been defined as war crimes. The only reason Israel is not before the Hague as a result of Cast Lead, is the US veto. I’m growing ashamed of my nationality.

      • pauldorn August 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm #

        So, then, you condone the ongoing rape of Palestine, and only hope they keep quiet while being assaulted, humiliated, tortured, and abused? Sad to hear this. You’re on the wrong side of history.

        Let’s keep it simple: No colonial-settler regime has a “right to exist” whether it was the white settler regime in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, the Afrikaners in South Africa or the many others that have existed in places like Algeria or Kenya. They exist by force and violence against the indigenous population. Israel has been and is such a regime, and will eventually go the way of its colonial predecessors. Israel cannot stand outside of history.

        “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?” — David Ben Gurion

        • WW August 5, 2014 at 10:06 am #

          Well paul, the US is a settler regime, you were our colonials once too. Ergo your country has no right to exist, pack your stuff and bog off. The nayive americans might be generous and let you keep nevada but make sure you stay on your reservation. Please no whining about how long youve neen there or the US is special. Just pack up and get out.
          Maybe russia should start sending missiles to the reservations, after all why shouldn’t they. It would be just the same as arming Hamas.

          • Ben Franklin August 5, 2014 at 10:46 am #

            Well said. I guess if England could have stopped arms shipments from France, we’d still be your bitch.

            Nice metaphor.

          • Spelljammer August 6, 2014 at 10:48 pm #

            This is a common misconception because in history, this kind of thing happens a lot differently. Typically, some invader takes over with force, there is war and bloodshed and then the fighting stops. After a while, the conquered learn to adapt and eventually accept the new situation. They start rebuilding and finding food for their families, etc. But, with Israel, it never ends. They just keep expanding..each time, they open the wound again. So, using historical examples doesn’t play out sometimes. The Palestinians have never been given a chance to adapt because every so often, Israel expands. They also tighten the noose a little more, they control the caloric intake of the Palestinians. They have them surrounded.

            The leader of Hamas has said that they are willing to stop fighting if the land dividing lines were set to the 1967 levels. Israel has to keep growing to keep their economy going. But, that turns Gaza into a ghetto and it also fosters hatred.

      • Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:16 am #

        Pauls metaphor is poor. Rockets killing 17 or so over 5 years and well its so terrifying that 300 kids must be killed in a month. Again, what part of lame pretext for murder of 300 children do you not grasp? Why not declare ware on Israeli drivers who are texting and jobbering on the phone–they have killed more Israelis than Hamas in the last 5 years–without even trying. You seem to want to condem children for what some desperate adult tries and fails to do….

    • Swiss Expat August 5, 2014 at 4:31 am #

      Israel left Gaza in 2005. The Israeli Army evicted hard core settlers who wouldn’t leave. Hydroponic farms were left in place and were destroyed rather than used to feed people. The border crossings, including the crossings with Egypt, had standard checkpoints to ensure weapons didn’t pass through. Homicide-bombers required more stringent security measures on both the Israeli and Egyptian borders. While Israel has been destroying terror tunnels, the Egyptians have been destroying smuggling tunnels. And they weren’t smuggling food.

      The money, concrete and labor used to build terror tunnels could have been spent on improving the infrastructure and living standards in Gaza. And this use of concrete shows that allowing unrestricted imports into Gaza is unacceptable.

      Pointing out Jewish critics of Israel is not logical. There are plenty of self-hating Jews. Objective observers note that Hamas fires rockets from population centers – close to UN schools, hospitals and Mosques. Rockets have been found in 2 UN schools – the UN officials quickly handed them over to the Gaza Police – AKA Hamas. Firing anti-tank rockets at personnel carriers is a war crime. Launching thousands of rockets into Israel is a war crime. Preventing civilians to flee conflict is a war crime. Let’s see how objective the UN inquiry is this time. Last time, Goldstone had misgivings after the report was issued because he felt it was not objective and balanced. The review of the flotilla that tried to pass through the blockade determined the blockade was legal.

      The democracy in Israel is vibrant. In other words, they don’t agree on anything. There are Arab members of the parliament. They have full voice in all proceedings. They are allowed to speak and represent their constituents. And there are protests in Israel against the military action. Just a little different than Israel’s neighbors.

      The original partition plan gave vast territories to the Arabs. They rejected it and attacked. They keep attacking. The cycle of violence has a starting point. I hope it has an ending place. But mostly I hope the ending is not the destruction of Israel and the documented objective of killing every Jew there. The Hamas charter clearly states that their objective is to destroy Israel and kill every Jew. There objective is not peace or even coexistence. Hamas threw out the Palestinian Authority so they could make Gaza an Army Base. It is an Army Base and not a Concentration Camp.

      I still want to know where there are pictures of Hamas gunmen and rocketeers. Journalists leaving Gaza are beginning to talk about the intimidation from Hamas.

      I am happy that anti-Semites like you no longer hide behind the façade of being anti-Israel. And when you chant, Kill the Jews, I believe you. Israel needs to exist because the Jews have the right and the need for a homeland. And when you come for me, I’ll do more than just scratch your back.

      • WW August 5, 2014 at 10:10 am #

        Very well said.

      • Rubaiyat August 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm #

        Now you go and bring history into it. People just want images, hashtags, and vitriol.

      • Glitch Mobiliou August 6, 2014 at 7:26 pm #

        “Israel needs to exist because the Jews have the right and the need for a homeland.” ~ Swiss Expat

        I am unsure about that and would be cautious about comparing or conflating a military industrial complex-supported state structure with a ‘homeland’, a people, or a pure or direct democracy.

        “The ‘United Nations’ today is neither united nor represents nations; it is like the oft-quoted ‘moral majority’, which is also neither of those things! Many true nations, such as the Iroquois confederation or any tribal alliance with a common ethic, are not represented by such a body, nor are whole nations such as the Basques, Tartars, Kurds, Palestinians, Hawaiians, Hopi, Tibetans, Pitjatjantjara, Misquito, Aranda, Basarwa, Herrero etc….

        Most nations in the United Nations repress a majority of peoples on earth…

        At present, many thousands of organisations, affinities, tribes, bioregions, and spiritual and non-government organisations aspire to… beneficial ends; in every continent, a majority of people—the ethical majority—want peace; a clean and forested earth; a cessation to torture, malnutrition, and oppression; and a right to work towards these ends…” ~ Bill Mollison

  33. rollie August 4, 2014 at 2:59 pm #

    Not worried about ISIS. They exploit the PR value of “conquering” many square miles of empty desert flatland, and of course killing unarmed civilians as if that’s some difficult feat. The minute they enter those hills the Pesh Merga will show them a good time.

    You know what else, how can there be a “World Opinion” when nobody agrees about anything?

    • Karah August 4, 2014 at 3:32 pm #

      they agree to disagree

      there is only two options before the world of opinions that shift with the winds of discontent other than to completely ignore conflicts of interest (which is also a choice to go with the majority) that is to go with one of the sides. which side is getting more sympathy? usually the one perceived as winning. in the middle east they are all losers. they all claim to be underdogs and oppressed. the “world” is currently being represented by the united nations. what are they being called on to do? enforce the decisions already made years ago or form a new opinion. if israel in any way appears to be losing ground, they will step in, right?

  34. Cold N. Holefield August 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

    The so-called “Progressives” that resemble more and more every day the hard “Right” are off the hook as it relates to this latest Israeli-Palestinian flare-up. If number of deaths are of such interest to those of you who so love the Palestinians, maybe you need to take a look at Syria, or better yet The Congo or anywhere in Africa for that matter. Talk about modern-day genocide. Instead, because of your hatred of The Jews, you see the Palestinian mouse in the corner rather than the ten thousand pound elephant taking up all the space in the room.

    Here’s an example of how over-the-top this rage against The Jews is getting.

    Formerly T-Bear

    August 1, 2014

    I suspect the zionist atrocities against Gaza Palestinians is a test to see where the limits are before public opinion becomes prohibitive to war (as if public opinion were a static norm) or becomes hostile enough to remove their political elite that follow such policy.

    A small tactical nuke needs be dropped on that holocaust museum in israel with a note to consider their actions. Any lip in return, another smallish tactical devise on the next meeting of the knesset and leave israel with a sparkling new glassy parking lot, again with the request they reconsider their ways.

    For the balance of the time allotted, I shall never knowingly buy anything from israel or a zionist, nor shall I ever lift a finger to stay any harm that may befall their kind or kin. They have shown through their rabbinate and their political policy that they are as unclean as the swine they abominate. May the face of the earth be rid of their shadow forever.

    Wow. Just wow.

    • WW August 5, 2014 at 11:05 am #

      Of course the author forgets that israel allegedly has nukes too, it certainly has the ballistic missiles to carry them. If israeli products are anything to go by they’ll most probably work far better than the their assailants too.
      As the saying goes, be careful of what you wish for!

  35. contrahend August 4, 2014 at 3:48 pm #

    I’m with Kunstler on this one. Hamas starts firing rockets at your kids and you’ll do the same as Israel.

    You want the death and destruction to stop? Tell them to fucking stop firing.

    I don’t recall any deaths before they started this nonsense.

    Yeah, I know the Palestinians are segregated, second-class non-citizens living in a penned in, unbearable situation.

    That’s why you elect/appoint leaders to negotiate your way to a better situation. This will not happen as long as one side is dedicted to the destruction of the other.

    And, yes – no one has yet commented on why Arabs live in peace in Israel, but no Israelis can live in Gaza.

    I reserve the right to be wrong.


  36. Smoky Joe August 4, 2014 at 4:15 pm #

    No offense to JHK, but Israel and Hamas are the side-show.

    The Guns of August, 2014 style, will sound when the ISIS / Shiite fight goes regional and the oil supply gets hit.

    Then all hell, and a World War, may well break loose. Americans, go back to your phones. We have plenty of oil from all that fracking…yeah, right.

  37. Vlad the Inhaler August 4, 2014 at 4:18 pm #

    “Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now.”

    I dare say if we suspected rationality on the part of our “leaders” we would be making a huge mistake. As a journalist wrote recently “The politicians really are as dim as you think. There is no secret room somewhere filled with clever people who know what they’re doing”.

    On another topic, Hamas are playing a great game propaganda-wise. All they have to do is lob a rocket towards an Israeli town and the reaction is predictable, massive, filmable and produces innumerable distributable images of suffering humanity about which, I suspect, Hamas cares little. Even public opinion in the U.S. is starting to get sick of Israel and despite the lip-service and rhetoric of Congress, one suspects they wish they could tow Israel out to sea somewhere and lose it. Israel is doing exactly what their enemies want them to do, yet they can’t do anything else. “Trapped” is the word that springs to mind.

  38. consultant13 August 4, 2014 at 5:26 pm #


    America still thinks it’s the nation that won WW II or sent men to the moon.

    We’re not. That nation is gone. We’re a new place now. Most of us just don’t pay attention long enough to know it. But even if you point it out, most don’t believe it or want to hear it.

    They brought the Ebola patient, here, to Atlanta the other day. Tomorrow they’ll bring the second one here.

    They’re bring Ebola to a state (Georgia), that couldn’t manage to handle 2 INCHES of snow last winter.

    We live in a nation where just about everything is outsourced or subcontracted. There is no longer a big “O” in anyone’s organization.

    The CDC Ph.D epidemiologists I don’t worry about. What I want to know is WHO will handle all of the discarded materials that will accumulate around these 2 poor patients? Will poorly trained minimum wage workers with little to no supervision be in charge of properly disposing of the Ebola waste? Will it wind in some dumpster behind an office building over at Emory (our son works 5 blocks from there. We live 5 miles from it)?

    Who’s handling this stuff? A subcontractor of a subcontractor?

    In today’s America, the left hand not only doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, the gangster pimps that set up these devil contracts, don’t want to know what the other guy is doing.

    As long as they get their cut in the contract, they’re fine with it. Just don’t hold THEM accountable for anything.

    This could turn out to be the worse idea since the Supreme Court said, “Yeah, the dumb one. Bush, he won the election.”

  39. pattex August 4, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    “Again it comes down to: what part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?” –

    Clearly, one way or another, Hamas is hard of hearing. But, JHK, could you consider that there is something the Israelis are not hearing either?

    As they say, it always takes two to tango.

    May I recommend the following commentary by a Jewish writer:

    • Swiss Expat August 5, 2014 at 4:32 am #

      Why is the fact that the writer is Jewish relevant?

      • pattex August 5, 2014 at 12:17 pm #

        Good question. It isn’t really. But it may be perceived to add a certain significance to his opinion, given that his perspective differs from that of many Jews who express their views on the issue.

  40. lumbricina August 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm #

    Coming to a theatre near you, I regretfully suspect. Unless we change, But we won’t change, until we do. It doesn’t seem we want to save ourselves let alone children. And this system may well be killing them and us, Heard today the oceans are dying, a third of the bees are gone. Ooy vay, all haides is right.

    Peace out.

  41. michael_on_clusterf August 4, 2014 at 7:33 pm #

    I repeat the question from last week – does Israel have a long term plan for what to do with the Palestinians? The current effort to stop rocket fire from Gaza is only a short term solution. More rockets will be made once Israel withdraws. What does Israel plan to do with the Palestinians now that a two state solution is not, in honesty, viable due to the fragmentation of the occupied territories. The Palestinians will not evaporate – they are still there and they are growing in number.

  42. lumbricina August 4, 2014 at 7:53 pm #

    Don’t mess with my paradigm !*#@*!*!@*#*$*#*@

    luv is no myth, only paradigms are myth
    and nothing that ever happens to a person is a mistake.

    Gravity sucks there is no internet, the internet sucks there is no gravity.

    • lumbricina August 4, 2014 at 7:55 pm #

      Or maybe I’m mistaken

  43. lumbricina August 4, 2014 at 8:03 pm #

    No wait, Gravity sucks, there are no paradigms, Paradigms suck, there is no gravity.

  44. lumbricina August 4, 2014 at 8:39 pm #

    and if the oceans die, guess who else goes? You get one guess. First two don’t count. Save the oceans- holy I phone, there’s an app for that.

  45. mika. August 4, 2014 at 9:09 pm #

    “World Opinion” is nothing more than fasci/nazi Vatican/CIA mind control propaganda lies, disseminated via Vatican/CIA controlled propaganda outlets and institutions.

    Until people understand that their scripted “reality” is created for them by this mafia, they’ll be stuck in this Vatican/CIA manufactured “reality”.

  46. MikeMoskos August 4, 2014 at 9:24 pm #

    1. The great thing about having the world’s reserve fiat currency is that our “leaders” can do whatever they want–as long as Janet at the Fed keeps extending credit. If she imposes a credit limit, political leaders’ choices will be severely limited. Don’t count on the Russians to finance our debt.

    2. We should open our arms and allow anyone (Israeli or Palestinian) automatic U.S. citizenship. It’s the least we can do. Would be interesting to see who comes.

    3. Chuck Marohn of Strong Towns had an interesting podcast this week. The country needs about a 80 cent increase in the gas tax to provide bare minimum maintenance. Fat chance of that happening. Now is a good time to move somewhere where you won’t have to rely on the deteriorating infrastructure. Jim’s prediction that we won’t be able to drive because we can’t afford to maintain the roads is spot on.

  47. progress4what August 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

    You are right about a lot of things, JHK. But for some reason you are too close to the issues concerning Israel to see with your normal clarity of vision.

    And anyway, I’m way past tired of talking about it, so I’m going to let this Rabbi do my talking for me tonight:

    “And this is precisely where the American Jewish community and Jews around the world have taken a turn that is disastrous, by turning the Israeli nation state into “the Jewish state” and making Israel into an idol to be worshiped rather than a political entity like any other political entity, with strengths and deep flaws. Despairing of spiritual salvation after God failed to show up and save us from the Holocaust, increasing numbers of Jews have abandoned the religion of compassion and identification with the most oppressed that was championed by our biblical prophets, and instead come to worship power and to rejoice in Israel’s ability to become the most militarily powerful state in the Middle East. If a Jew today goes into any synagogue in the U.S. or around the world and says, “I don’t believe in God or Torah and I don’t follow the commandments,” most will still welcome you in and urge you to become involved. But say, “I don’t support the State of Israel,” and you are likely to be labeled a “self-hating Jew” or anti-Semite, scorned and dismissed. As Aaron said of the Golden Calf in the Desert, “These are your Gods, O Israel.”

    The worship of the state makes it necessary for Jews to turn Judaism into an auxiliary of ultra-nationalist blindness. Every act of the State of Israel against the Palestinian people is seen as sanctioned by God. Each Sabbath Jews in synagogues around the world are offered prayers for the well-being of the State of Israel but not for our Arab cousins. The very suggestion that we should be praying for the Palestinian people’s welfare is seen as heresy and proof of being “self-hating Jews.”

    The worship of power is precisely what Judaism came into being to challenge…” http://www.salon.com/2014/08/04/israel_has_broken_my_heart_i'm_a_rabbi_in_mourning_for_a_judaism_being_murdered_by_israel/

    • WW August 5, 2014 at 11:25 am #

      How many imams in mosques around the world pray for the jews welfare? Are they held to a different standards. On a friday, in paris and london where the moon god worshippers pray in the street, the imams rant about the evil jew this and that, why does your comment give them a free pass? Is it ok that they do? You have just displayed appalling lack of clarity in your thoughts. Israel will never see peace because islam demands its destruction and Christianity too if we are honest. As long as you are blind to the fact that regardless of your wishes Islam has plans to let any other religion exist on an equal footing and preferably none at all.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 2:32 pm #

        Yes Islam teaches in the end times even the rocks will say, “O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, please kill him.” And most Muslims believe we are in the end times. Needless to say this puts the Jewish decision to set up a state in Palestine in perspective. It was a crazy thing to do – as is the West’s bringing them in by the million. Islam must be seen as a plague to be contained.

        Just trying to show balance. Just because I’m against Zionism doesn’t mean I’m for Islam. Then who am I for? The West. The White Race. White America. Europe and her native peoples. In the immortal words of Treebeard, “I’m on no one’s side because no one is on mine.”

        • dweebus August 5, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

          “They come with fire, they come with axes. Biting, breaking, hacking, burning. Destroyers and usurpers. Curse them!”


  48. progress4what August 4, 2014 at 10:32 pm #

    And I’ll freely admit that this CFN blog and JHK have gotten me to understand Jewish issues more than I ever thought I would.

    And this little piece of campaign scuttlebutt is fascinating, because I’m in Georgia, USA, and this leak from the campaign for an open US Senate seat barely made the local news – being discussed here in far more depth on the world-wide Jewish Telegraph Agency news website.

    “…draft strategy memo — first reported by National Review — written for the campaign of Democratic candidate Michelle Nunn. The memo provides an unvarnished look at how a modern Senate campaign is actually run, and among those interesting, unvarnished tidbits is the following on Jewish campaign contributions:
    Jewish Community:
    *Opportunity: Michelle’s position on Israel will largely determine the level of support here. There is tremendous financial opportunity, but the level of support will be contingent on her position. This applies not only to PACs, but individual donors as well.
    * Message: TBD
    * Potential Anchors: Sheri and Steve Labovitz, Elaine Alexander, Jewish Democratic Women
    *Projected Goal: $250,000

    This is, of course, flagrantly transactional, and it’s a good look at how campaign professionals actually think about these things behind closed doors. It is also, as Vox’s Matthew Yglesias notes, how Jewish power translates into real-world terms, and the kind of dynamic that keeps Congress so overwhelmingly pro-Israel – candidates need campaign cash, Jews are big givers and Jews (particularly big Jewish donors) care about Israel.

    Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/07/30/news-opinion/the-telegraph/michelle-nunns-leaked-memo-shows-how-jews-are-courted#ixzz39TknNL71

    Fascinating, right? And message TBD, seriously? Voters in Georgia will want a position on Israel that is even to the right of our host here @ the CFN, I’m pretty well certain!

    And thanks for the week’s work, and for the comment space, JHK.
    It is appreciated.

    And you are 100% correct about the need to reduce US immigration and secure the southern border, by the way!

    • ozone August 5, 2014 at 10:34 am #

      I had thought this kind of influence buying was patently illegal, no? (I’ve not read the fine print, so it’s likely all nice and loophole-ridden.)

      What zeitgeist can be sifted from this behavior? For me, it’s that corruption and lawlessness is endemic, and will continue apace (exponentially).

      For future reference (since there is no evenly-enforced law left to uphold) a canny person will not be buying politicians, they’ll be buying wet-work enforcers who have been proven to be good at their jobs. Talk about a paradigm shift!

      Tell me this: is a rational person more likely to agree to certain ‘conditions’ and ‘contracts’ under threat of imminent termination (up to and including the familial unit) or the promise of riches and eternal comfort? (Ya know, that’s kind of the afterlife conundrum all over; heaven or hell, choose, doomed human! It’s all about having an earthly frame of reference, no matter how airily ‘spiritual’ it’s painted.)

      I don’t see this buying of politicians going on too much longer. Sure, there’s plenty of the herd who’d LIKE to believe, but they are steadily losing faith in the machine as evidence leaks out as to who really owns it. Plus, I would opine that thuggery and threats will prove to be a lot cheaper as the Devolution and Crumbling continues. Trenchant example? The existential struggle for the doomed, severely resource-strained territory of Pal-Israel. It’s all dependent on solid promises of murder. (To pretend that “electing the right leaders” can wash away all this blood revenge is to engage in absurdist fantasy. These state-sponsored, murderous feuds are only disengaged from the bottom up, when the majority of the populace is good and sick of it and withdraws their support — and their children.)

      • beantownbill. August 5, 2014 at 11:29 am #

        O3, in this area of philosophical musings I am a cynic. Almost my entire life I’ve watched Americans make poor decisions. I don’t think our society has what it takes to rebel and end this long entrenched governmental madness (governmental = govern + mental).

        All bets are off, however, when the masses have no food or water.

      • AKlein August 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm #

        Ozone, very insightful assessment, yours. Regarding your question regarding influence buying being illegal, I think it all depends on the “interpretation” of law. Two very famous incidents come to mind. One was Bill Clinton’s ruminations regarding the nuanced meaning of the word “is”. The second was Al Gore’s rejoinder to an accusation of misfeasance on his part, commenting that his actions were not unlawful because there was “no controlling legal authority”. Any reasonable person hearing such verbal pirouetting will quickly ascertain that laws mean nothing or possibly everything, presumably depending on who you are.

      • MisterDarling August 5, 2014 at 2:28 pm #

        “For future reference (since there is no evenly-enforced law left to uphold) a canny person will not be buying politicians, they’ll be buying wet-work enforcers who have been proven to be good at their jobs. Talk about a paradigm shift!”-Oz.

        Yes Ozone, they’ve been practicing within this ‘paradigm’ for the past 30 years in Mexico and most of the global South… See how well that worked out?



        • ozone August 5, 2014 at 6:12 pm #

          Thank you All for peering into this past/present/future portion of the you-man dilemna! Enlightening. (…and thunder too.)

    • aaron_espro August 6, 2014 at 8:51 am #

      How do you secure a 1933 mile long border?

      Sounds like a colossal waste of money and time, that would be better used addressing the root cause of emigration from Mexico.

  49. progress4what August 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm #

    ‘The CDC Ph.D epidemiologists I don’t worry about. What I want to know is WHO will handle all of the discarded materials that will accumulate around these 2 poor patients? Will poorly trained minimum wage workers with little to no supervision be in charge of properly disposing of the Ebola waste?’ – consultant13 –

    I wouldn’t worry about it all, c13. Especially not with only two or a few patients, even though each patient will produce a veritable mountain of medical waste every day.

    But if there should ever be 100 patients, then the unsustainable system that is US medicine would begin to show some serious strain.

    And if there should ever be 1,000 Ebola patients at that facility on Clifton Road – you and your son will want to be gone from there.
    Long gone, IMO!

  50. Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 12:01 am #

    Careful, don’t tell your Jewish Dentist that you support the Palestinians. His hand might begin to slip a bit.

  51. Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:37 am #

    Here is a guy after Jims heart–wants to create concentration camps and get rid of all the Palestinians. A real mensch


    Odd with this anti-palestinian bent and anti-hispanic immigrant thing it appears JHK does not like brown people and in fact wants many of them to die on whatever flimsy pretext–useless rockets or borders from when they ripped off half the joint from the mexicans. Yep, the long emergency is upon us and well, it won’t be white–too fat to fight and run and without insulin or the skill to grow food or form bonds in a few generations back to the amerindians. Yay I say.

  52. Capo Regine August 5, 2014 at 12:50 am #

    Great piece by Chris Hedges today–a bit of it…

    ll governments lie, as I.F. Stone pointed out, including Israel and Hamas. But Israel engages in the kinds of jaw-dropping lies that characterize despotic and totalitarian regimes. It does not deform the truth; it inverts it. It routinely paints a picture for the outside world that is diametrically opposed to reality. And all of us reporters who have covered the occupied territories have run into Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives, which we dutifully insert into our stories—required under the rules of American journalism—although we know they are untrue.

    I saw small boys baited and killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza refugee camp of Khan Younis. The soldiers swore at the boys in Arabic over the loudspeakers of their armored jeep. The boys, about 10 years old, then threw stones at an Israeli vehicle and the soldiers opened fire, killing some, wounding others. I was present more than once as Israeli troops drew out and shot Palestinian children in this way. Such incidents, in the Israeli lexicon, become children caught in crossfire. I was in Gaza when F-16 attack jets dropped 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on overcrowded hovels in Gaza City. I saw the corpses of the victims, including children. This became a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory. I have watched Israel demolish homes and entire apartment blocks to create wide buffer zones between the Palestinians and the Israeli troops that ring Gaza. I have interviewed the destitute and homeless families, some camped out in crude shelters erected in the rubble. The destruction becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists. I have stood in the remains of schools—Israel struck two United Nations schools in the last six days, causing at least 10 fatalities at one in Rafah on Sunday and at least 19 at one in the Jebaliya refugee camp Wednesday—as well as medical clinics and mosques. I have heard Israel claim that errant rockets or mortar fire from the Palestinians caused these and other deaths, or that the attacked spots were being used as arms depots or launching sites. I, along with every other reporter I know who has worked in Gaza, have never seen any evidence that Hamas uses civilians as “human shields.”

    • Swiss Expat August 5, 2014 at 4:39 am #

      Rockets were “found” stored in 2 UN schools. The UN officials quickly gave the rockets to the Gaza Police – AKA Hamas.

      If killing all the Arabs in Gaza was Israel’s objective, carpet bombing is much more efficient.

      Soldiers do bad things. When Israeli soldiers do bad things they go to jail. When Hamas gunmen do bad things they are glorified. Parks and playgrounds in the West Bank are named for homicide bombers. They glorify death.

    • Swiss Expat August 5, 2014 at 8:56 am #

      Chris Hedges is not a reliable source: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118114/chris-hedges-pulitzer-winner-lefty-hero-plagiarist

      Interesting that he didn’t see any Hamas gunmen or rocketeers. Who is firing those thousands of rockets?

  53. Reagan August 5, 2014 at 7:46 am #

    Some disease will come and spread across the globe. Americans are not ready for the microscopic bugs that are coming, as too many millions have compromised immune systems due to lifestyle. What is coming will be survived by those who live moral lives and prepare. It’s going to get ugly.

  54. BackRowHeckler August 5, 2014 at 9:00 am #

    50 Black African ‘Prime Ministers’ are showing up in DC today for a business conference! Obama is doling out the swag, $14 billion I read. What a scene this is going to be! Will any of them be wearing leopard skins? Each of these ‘PrimeMinisters’ will be accompanied by huge staffs. Are these thugs being screened for Ebola? Maybe no, so as not to offend our esteemed guests. Also, will the President of Zimbabwe be in attendance? He can give lessons on how to eliminate whitey and run your country to the ground, after all, he has plenty of experience.

    It was interesting listening to the commentators on PBS talk about this event last night. According to them Sub Saharan Africa is on the cup of a great renaissance of business and culture, led by ‘an emerging middle class’.

    Meanwhile, Russian troops and armor are massing on their western border, and Ukraine forces have crossed into Russia. To surrender? a raid? It isn’t clear. But it seems something big is about to go down on Europe’s eastern frontier.

    It looks like the IDF is wrapping it up in Gaza; all known tunnels must have been destroyed. Why so much criticism in CFN about the actions of Israel, but not a word about ISIS shooting and beheading Christians in Iraq, and destroying monuments thousands of years old? Its a curious thing.



    • stelmosfire August 5, 2014 at 10:48 am #

      But the beans in W. mass are going gangbusters. ;0)

    • Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 2:18 pm #

      People in power, be they Leftists or Jewish billionaire media owners, don’t care about Christian lives obviously. The Leftists care about Muslims and Minorities and the Jews care about Jews. White Republicans follow the other two groups in different contexts, desperately trying to get along with everyone. Needless to say, they don’t care about White Christians either.

  55. Pucker August 5, 2014 at 9:02 am #

    What does Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend Rachel Jeantel think about Hamas and Hell Break’n Loose?

  56. beantownbill. August 5, 2014 at 11:17 am #

    And so it goes. CFNers consist of both anti-Jews and pro-Israel believers, and no one is going to change anyone else’s minds. I happen to be in the latter group, like Swissexpat, WW and others, btw who I thank for their position. So why debate this endlessly?

    • progress4what August 5, 2014 at 11:43 am #

      Perhaps because our host has made it his centerpiece for four weeks running?

      And this really how you look at the world, with, “CFNers consist of both anti-Jews and pro-Israel believers?” No middle ground at all, bill?

      • beantownbill. August 5, 2014 at 12:47 pm #

        Procon, unfortunately I don’t think there is a middle ground, for reasons I’ve already stated on CFN over the years. But I don’t want to argue this with you because we had some real scraps about this before, and I would rather us get along. We can’t agree on everything.

        • Swiss Expat August 5, 2014 at 2:05 pm #

          Of course there is a middle ground. After 3 Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and killed, a Jew killed an Arab boy. This Jew was found, arrested and will go to trial. Israeli soldiers who commit crimes are also arrested and court martialed. Israelis also mourn the loss of civilian lives in Gaza. This side is never reported.

          And every single death in Gaza is reported as a civilian. But if you look at the demographics provided by Arab press, you will see that the vast majority are deaths of men between 18 and 40. Not all of them were terrorists and I am sorry for the civilian deaths. But the deliberate distortion by Hamas is another example of how good their PR department is.

          And I am still looking for a picture of a Hamas gunman or rocketeer. I’ve been through the slide shows in the NY Times and other places. Haven’t found a single picture of a Hamas gunman or rocketeer. If you find one, please post it.

          • WW August 5, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

            Swiss Expat, look up indian tv crew films rocket in Gaza. They show Hamas digging a rocket into place using a large UN type blue tent as cover right by their hotel. The fighters are all in civilian clothes which as you and others pointed out is why so many ‘civilian deaths’ are men aged 18 to 40.
            The Indian tv crew would not release the footage until they left Gaza because of reprisals by Hamas.
            It speaks volumes.

  57. progress4what August 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

    “On a friday, in paris and london where the moon god worshippers pray in the street, the imams rant about the evil jew this and that, why does your comment give them a free pass? Is it ok that they do? You have just displayed appalling lack of clarity in your thoughts. Israel will never see peace because…..” – ww –

    Moon god? I’ve never heard that one, I’ll have to look it up.
    Anywho – I was just quoting the Rabbi; you can take up the appalling lack of clarity with him.

    And, basic logic dictates that a single post, regardless of length, cannot address all the wrongs, rights, and semi-wrongs being committed by all peoples on Earth at that point in time, or any other point in time for that matter.

    Besides which – I’ve always known that allowing all these other cultures into the UK and the EU is an historical error that is destined to end in a bloodbath the likes of which our sad Orb has never seen – should the lights ever go out and the food trucks ever stop running.

    If I were a native born citizen of the EU or UK I’d be fighting against this immigration with all my might. Of course I’d be labeled a “natavist” or a “racist” for my troubles.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

      Allah was once the name of a moon god before He got a promoted to the Lord of All.

      Isis is having one good effect: even the most moonbat Leftists have stopped saying Islam is a religion of peace – at least for the time being. Now the hook is Muslims as victims.

      • stelmosfire August 5, 2014 at 4:43 pm #

        victims my A@@

        • stelmosfire August 5, 2014 at 4:44 pm #

          Vlad, I have not blown myself up in years!

          • stelmosfire August 5, 2014 at 4:46 pm #

            I wish my tomatoes would blow up! they are still green!

          • Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 8:51 pm #

            Seriously though, Hamas does hide weapons in schools and hospitals. So the Israelis capitalize on that and bomb UN schools and hospitals where there are no weapons.

  58. Hands4u August 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

    Hey Jim; enjoyed the article though some editing might help. My two cents? I think the door to hell opened when oil became a vital commodity and resource; pushing the industrial revolution and humanity’s dependency on such a commodity so far that there isn’t a door or gate that anyone can even be responsible for. If the flow can’t be stopped by billions of people who are dependent they’ll starve and try anything else they can to feed their “needs”.
    Time to get back to a Land Called Honah-Lee?

    • WW August 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

      When the oil runs out or if some one discovered the holy grail of alternative power the world would drop the arabs like a stone. They’d be back herding camels in no time. Almost without exception their economy is based on oil. Until recently Iran didn’t even have the capacity to refine its own petrol ffs. About the only thing worth buying from there would be dates and the israelis do them anyway.

  59. MisterDarling August 5, 2014 at 2:24 pm #

    This is a ‘peak-oil’ item that primarily impacts the Scots referendum in the short-term *however*, I *do* enjoy the way that news is reported from the Shetlands… ;]


    Keep ‘er flyin’ Buster!

    Nicely done!

    • WW August 5, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

      Of course the big sticking point is that a lot of islanders don’t want to be part of an independent Scotland. They already understand that they will be bled dry to pay for Scotlands social programs. As was pointed out by Shetland politicians a more logical approach eould be for them to join Norway, already a wealthy country with a large cash surplus!
      Assuming that is they can squeak a yes vote which is looking extremely unlikely particularly since the Scots now know they will not be able to keep the pound nor do they have guaranteed entry into the EU.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 5, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

        Plus the Independents don’t really represent the Scottish People. They are wildly pro-African and Arab and have no problem with the death of the real Scottish people.

  60. twocentsplain August 5, 2014 at 3:31 pm #

    Just discovered this website today. Spectacular! I enjoyed the article immensely and am glad to see someone out there understands what is really going on. Great job Mr. K!

  61. BackRowHeckler August 5, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

    It looks like this Ebola situation might be getting out of hand.

    Ebola is turning up everywhere.

    Thing is, like AIDS in the 80s and 90s, we are given 2 scripts.

    1) Its hard to catch. Don’t worry about it. (So we see hollywood celebrities hugging AIDS patients at the academy award tv show.)

    2) Its a deadly epidemic as bad as the 14th century plague. It can end humanity. There’s plenty to worry about.

    Which one to believe?


    • ozone August 5, 2014 at 6:19 pm #

      Check the Vegas odds; that should tell the tale! 😉

    • ozone August 5, 2014 at 6:23 pm #

      Ps. If they haven’t got this subject tallied by the bookies yet, suggest it; research into the mortality and transmission rate will get done in a large hurry without us having to lift a finger! (There’s money to be made, friends and neighbors…)

  62. MisterDarling August 5, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    File this under | ‘All Hell’

    SO, about that “mysterious” crater that suddenly appeared in the Siberian Arctic? Well, there is a scientific explanation:


    (methane-buffs are going to *l o v e* it!)

    😉 Think good thoughts! 😉


  63. progress4what August 5, 2014 at 9:15 pm #

    “2) Its a deadly epidemic as bad as the 14th century plague. It can end humanity. There’s plenty to worry about.

    Which one to believe? – backrow, on ebola –

    MSM is radically overhyping this thing, backrow. I don’t know why, except to scare the bejeezes out of the uninformed, and to sell add space thereby. There’s an unusual surplus of fearful things right now – from Russian separatists alleging aircraft out of the sky to methane holes in the permafrost. The media can’t be pushing ebola just for the joy of being scary, can they? haha!

    Anyway, deadly plagues may be on the way to the hordes of humans overcrowding the planet right now, but ebola is not going to fit that bill. Most likely – a fast spreading deadly plague will be airborne. That way it could be on the six populous continents and in all major cities before anyone really knew what was happening.

  64. progress4what August 5, 2014 at 9:40 pm #

    “This is called a fallacy of composition. Sorry, a family of four taking on another dependent is NOTHING, at ALL, whatsoEVER, like a country of 320 million people (which is the richest country in the history of the world), providing for a few thousand homeless children.”
    – aaron espro –

    Well aaron, you seem to have an IQ. Now you need to use it to search for some truth. First, the ideal population for the US without fossil fuels (this is a peak oil site, remember?) would number at most 200,000,000. This was the level we were at early in the Reagan presidency – and without all the immigration since then, the US population would have stabilized around that number.

    Also, your “few thousand” will likely reach 90 thousand by the end of the year. And the ratio is running 80% male. And if you think 14-17 year old males are harmless holders of teddy bears – you need to talk to residents of various killing fields in Africa and elsewhere – where this exact demographic commits a great deal of the murder and mayhem.

    The demographic that is being DESTROYED – economically and otherwise – by all of this immigration into the US, is the native born African-American population. Guess your IQ can’t care about that?

    I’ve been looking at some of the untold story out of Palestine, where 900,000 angry young males are being held in check from rioting by some force. I saw that the Israelis were using state-of-the-art riot control gear. I assume they are testing new sonic weapons, and who knows what-all else.

    This gives some foreshadowing of what life in the US will look like for any future minority groups who ever have the temerity to attempt to riot outside of their own approved demographic areas and liquor stores.

    As long as the wheels stay on the clown car of US law enforcement and the security state – then our upper middle class and above is going to be JUST FINE. Does that include you by chance, aaron?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 6, 2014 at 5:11 am #

      Good call. Aaron is almost always the name of a Jew – and they are the richest population in America or anywhere else. Jews are still pretty united on this issue here in America, but over in Europe many have realized their error and are against Muslim immigration now. Of course they pretend now that they were always against it and not the fanatical proponents that some still are.

      Blacks are so Anti-White that they are for anything that hurts us regardless of whether it hurts them as well.

      • aaron_espro August 6, 2014 at 9:34 am #

        I am not Jewish. I like to think I respect all religions, unlike pretentious know nothings like you, who would probably blame water for causing the deaths in New Orleans from Katrina. That is about as logical as blaming Islam for violence; extremist Muslims use religion to try to rationalize murder for economic and political reasons, not vice versa.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 6, 2014 at 5:35 pm #

          There are better and worse Islams but the worse tend to be more numerous and dominant. Why? Because any time a peaceful Islam arouse, (Spain at certain times, Persia at certain points, etc), it was attacked and conquered by a Fundamentalist one. It’s like Gresham’s Law “Good money drives out bad or Bad Islam drives out good.”

          Islam can’t get away from such violence because it’s clearly in the Koran in numerous places. The simplest interpretation tends to be the true one. One has to rationalize a lot to make those verses mean anything other than what they clearly do mean – as in Christianity’s condemnation of Homosexuality.

          • capt spaulding August 7, 2014 at 8:49 am #

            There was a time when Islam was progressive, allowed other religions to be practiced, women had rights, and much more. Unfortunately, times have changed, mostly by hard line fundamentalists. Sort of the equivalent of Southern Baptists here. As far as I can tell, the countries that are Islamic are failed cultures. Look at the horrors they inflict on each other on a daily basis, and tell me that they are civilized. They were more civilized in the 14th century.

    • aaron_espro August 6, 2014 at 9:23 am #

      “The demographic that is being DESTROYED – economically and otherwise – by all of this immigration into the US, is the native born African-American population. Guess your IQ can’t care about that?”

      Searching for brain…search failed.

      African Americans have been held back by this country’s idiotic drug laws. You allow a few blacks to gain huge riches from ruthlessly murdering their competition for selling addictive poison (making drugs illegal makes their price and purity skyrocket, increasing short term profit margins, that’s the way I understand it, at least) , and guess what, the young ones of their community try to emulate just those people, especially when they can get paid to either sell drugs or be a soldier for those drug lords.

      Legalize the drugs. Regulate the purity. Get single payer healthcare going and make higher education free. That, as well, of course, as addressing the food deserts and car dependent wastelands that everyone, including blacks live in (which is what this blog is supposed to be about), will go a million miles further in addressing “black misbehavior”, as Kunstler calls it, than blaming Mexicans.

      Nice try though, trying to pit brown people against each other.

      If you think immigration causes unemployment or economic hardship, you are showing just how ignorant you are. 90,000 is nothing, dude. All the money we need to help American citizens and immigrants to this country is being sent to Ireland, Switzerland and the Caymanns. I am more worried about our soon to be feudal overlords than I am about Mexicans.

      Trying to compare Mexican males who intend to WORK in the US, and pay taxes by the way (if you pay rent in Texas, you’re paying property taxes, therefore funding local schools), to Africans murdering each other in very poor countries that have been ripped apart by centuries of white exploitation is hilariously stupid, and I am not even going to try debating that one.

      ” This gives some foreshadowing of what life in the US will look like for any future minority groups who ever have the temerity to attempt to riot outside of their own approved demographic areas and liquor stores.”

      Again, massive fallacies of composition and division here. It would be damned easy to prevent minorities from rioting in the US. We have more than enough money and resources to employ, educate and feed everyone.

      -Aaron Benjamin Swallow
      Plano, TX

      • Janos Skorenzy August 6, 2014 at 5:42 pm #

        So why did Mexican “Americans” pelt the American Soccer team and its fans with beer bottles when they played Mexico in San Diego? Does legalizing them and giving them work make them cease to be Mexicans at heart?

        Why do young Blacks take such pleasure in attacking Whites – posting their exploits on World Star Hip Hop? Is this due to White Racism as well? Can you name something bad Blacks do that isn’t? No? Isn’t that kind of telling – almost like you’re denying them their humanity? I mean if one is incapable of evil then one is also incapable of good. You transform them into just beings with needs, an open gaping maw of hunger and welfare. You aren’t completely wrong….

        • Aaron Benjamin Swallow August 7, 2014 at 10:20 am #

          Wow. Taking a few examples of rowdy hooligans and extrapolating to the whole. I can’t believe I have to point out MORE fallacies of composition and division here, but that is exactly what you are doing.

          What, and like white people are never violent? White Americans never get violent at football games?

          You have got to be kidding me.

          “Can you name something bad Blacks do that isn’t? No?”

          Oh, ok, ask a question and fill in the answer yourself. Pretty obviously a straw man argument.

          Did I ever say we shouldn’t arrest and try killers and drug lords, or for that matter, soccer hooligans?

          This has got to be a joke. I am done with you Janos.

          Aaron Benjamin Swallow

          • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 1:57 pm #

            No, Hooliganism is one thing. Targeting Whites because they’re White or American is low level warfare. Are you White or do you consider yourself something else? And will that “something else” inside your head save you if you look White? Save you from a beating, killing, or from Affirmative Action?

  65. progress4what August 5, 2014 at 9:50 pm #

    Or maybe he’s the future:

    “RAYMONDVILLE, Texas — Two illegal immigrants from Mexico who were charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of an off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent in front of his family in Texas have been arrested and deported numerous times, police sources told FoxNews.com.” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/05/suspects-in-murder-border-patrol-agent-arrested-and-deported-numerous-times/

    Little kids sometimes grow into evil adults, you know?

    • progress4what August 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm #

      should be “here’s the future,” not “he’s the future.”

      And I didn’t finish the parable. A population that would have stabilized @ 200 million grew to 315 million, almost totally due to immigration, and the children of immigrants.

      Work the math, and the family of four in aaron’s example has allowed at least two extra people to enter their home – to eat their groceries, sleep in their beds, and kill their border agents. (And yeah – they also picked their produce, and did all those jobs Americans won’t do (tm George Bush?) but I’m not thinking it was a good trade-off for the US, for the home countries of the immigrants, or for planet Earth.)

      • aaron_espro August 6, 2014 at 9:39 am #

        Have you not keeled over yet from the weight of the cognitive dissonance yet? You say in the same breath that Mexicans work, and yet say that they are living off of other Americans groceries.

        If they buy food, gas, cigarettes, they are paying taxes. If they pay rent, they are paying property taxes, at least in Texas anyway.

        -Aaron Benjamin Swallow
        Plano, TX

        • MisterDarling August 6, 2014 at 2:19 pm #

          “-Aaron Benjamin Swallow
          Plano, TX”

          Hello Aaron. I’m familiar with your area. I lived in Garland/ worked in Carrollton/shopped in Plano once upon a time.

          Regarding the immigration issue. I lean more in the direction of JHK on this one – simply b/c tightening up at the border and the ports-of-entry might be doing them a favor, in the longer-run.

          PS; don’t let ’em bait you. It’s not worth the aggravation, it really isn’t…



          • Aaron Benjamin Swallow August 7, 2014 at 10:23 am #

            What would be doing them an even bigger favor would be legalizing/decriminalizing drugs.

          • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 1:59 pm #

            Do THEM a favor? What the hell, what about us? You know, your fellow citizens?

            Do you really think a sane government that cared about America would let someone like you vote?

    • aaron_espro August 6, 2014 at 9:26 am #

      Now you’re just cherrypicking your data.

  66. Pucker August 5, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

    Happy Hiroshima Day!

  67. pkrugman August 5, 2014 at 11:16 pm #

    P4W, you can scapegoat the brown-skinned people, built it was whites who took the USA over 200 million, not immigrants. It was 1967 when the USA hit 200 million. Shortly after 1967 you and your wife decided to have three kids, and then they had kids, etc and now your clan numbers over 40. Multiply that by millions of white couples post-1967 and that’s how we went over 200 million. Instead of blaming immigrants, give you and your wife some credit. Zero population growth, the population bomb, etc. were hot topics in 1967. You should have exercised some restraint to check the population at 200 million.

  68. Swiss Expat August 6, 2014 at 2:53 am #

    Well, still no pictures of Hamas gunmen. No pictures of Hamas gunmen grieving for their killed mothers, wives or children. No pictures of Hamas gunmen sad about their destroyed homes and businesses.

    But there is video of Hamas rocketeers. The video was taken by Indian TV NDTV. The Hamas rocketeers put up a tent next to the hotel the NDTV crew was staying in – they were able to take the video only because they were hidden inside. The Hamas rocketeers quickly built a launch pad and fired a rocket. The hotel was in a crowded civilian area and they fired the rocket right before the ceasefire.

    This topic is relevant because in the hard times that are coming it is important to know the difference between right and wrong. There will be good guys and evil. You can make your choice, but I’m going with the good guys. And I’m doing what I can to make sure the good guys are strong.

  69. Pucker August 6, 2014 at 5:40 am #

    Happy Birthday President Obama! Happy Hiroshima Day!
    Wouldn’t it have been great if Colonel Frank Tibbets had strapped his momma, Enola Gay, to The B,o,mb when he dropped it on Hiroshima?

    • BackRowHeckler August 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm #

      Saved a lot of Marines, that Hiroshima A bomb.

      And any of you Germans looking in here you’re lucky you surrendered when you did. As far as I can tell from reading history Americans of that time were fed up with you and the Japanese.


  70. progress4what August 6, 2014 at 8:41 am #

    Wrong again, pkrugman*.

    “The key to population stability is arriving at “replacement
    rate fertility” — a balance between births and deaths. In
    fact, Americans did achieve replacement rate fertility in the
    early 1970s.Yet our population hasn’t leveled off, and it isn’t
    expected to begin to level off any time in the next 100
    years. Why? Because of the extraordinarily high rates of
    immigration that our national leaders have put in place.
    Immigration is the driving force behind U.S. population
    growth. It now directly adds more than one million people yearly…”

    And replacement growth rate for a population is achieved at 2.1 live births per female. You* have been known on CFN for prevaricating your way around logic – but nothing you can say will change this fact..

    • progress4what August 6, 2014 at 8:46 am #

      oops, forgot the source: http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/popbrochure05.pdf?docID=8..

      Now, pkrugman* will argue that the facts are wrong because the source is FAIR.

      Just as though others will argue that border agent is not dead because the source was FOX.

      BTW, why is the story of the border agent not being covered at Huff Post, MSNBC, and some of the MSM?

      And yeah, you’re right bill and many others. This topic is far more important than who Israel blows up. I’m trying to stand with the good guys, too.

  71. Cold N. Holefield August 6, 2014 at 8:51 am #

    MSM is radically overhyping this thing, backrow.

    Sometimes, yes, and other times it’s underplaying it. In otherwords, the mainstream media is sending mixed messages, as is its wont. Maybe it’s a good reason to take the mainstream media with a grain of salt.

    It is reprehensible and grossly negligent to transport Ebola patients to America. It’s yet another example of “off the hook” in an increasingly “off the hook” world. Consultant13’s comment above is excellent and it was completely overlooked. What he said. “Never a dull moment” applies now more than ever.

    Wanted — Dead Or Alive

  72. Cold N. Holefield August 6, 2014 at 8:56 am #

    How about two hypes for the price of one, or killing two illegal, Ebola-infected birds with one stone.

    Republican Congressman: Immigrant Children Might Carry Ebola

  73. progress4what August 6, 2014 at 10:38 am #

    “It would be damned easy to prevent minorities from rioting in the US. We have more than enough money and resources to employ, educate and feed everyone “- as long as the lights stay on and the food trucks keep running – aaron, edited for clarity –

    This is a peak resources blog. That’s why JHK and most others who think through the consequences – call for reductions in immigration.

    And you float some good ideas, none of which are gonna happen.

    Reduction of immigration probably isn’t gonna’ happen either, not in a meaningful way and not until it’s far too late.

    Destruction of lower class US quality of life-
    Destruction of emigre country quality of life –
    Fulfilling the population quotas of the oligarchs –

    These things will continue apace until they no longer can.
    This is (part of) what collapse looks like.

  74. jkag August 6, 2014 at 11:42 am #

    No one seems to disagree with Kunstler’s view of the “psychopathic” and “demonic” forces of ISIS. Do the Palestinian supporters here really think that ISIS ideology is different from Hamas ideology regarding Jews? If Hamas had Israel’s military capability, does anyone doubt that the death toll in Israel would be in the millions? Contrast that scenario with Israel’s actions in the face of continuous rocket fire from Gaza. The military targeted launch sites and Hamas control centers. When that didn’t work, Israel did not move to carpet-bombing, but instead moved in ground forces, thereby minimizing the potential for civilian casualties. Bombing of neighborhoods after temporarily calling for residents to leave was necessary to reduce Israeli military casualties from snipers. In contrast to ISIS, which enters cities and goes house to house killing civilians, Israel went house to house to find tunnels and weapons stores, without harming residents who had stayed behind.

  75. volodya August 6, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    All hail Kunstler, he is of course right that the US can’t (or won’t) protect its own citizens while expending (or pretending to expend) oodles of time and energy over two-bit scuffles where it does not and cannot have any conceivable national interest.

    It perplexes and amazes that American leaders should furrow their brows over Russia’s border issues with the Ukraine while grown up countries like Poland and Germany, who potentially have a great deal more at stake given their proximity, are declining to get involved. Could it possibly be that, having been schmucked in two suicidal, continent-sized conflagrations, that some folks in some countries are finally learning some lessons? How many dead bodies did THAT take? Several tens of millions? And so you have two shit-holes run by klepto-oligarchs and you want the US in the middle of it? What the fuck for?

    While the Israel-Palestine squabble is a made to order distraction for teeming multitudes of excitable young muslims it appears that it may be the same for Americans. Laughable that American pundits furrow their brows on Sunday morning TV over that too. What’s actually at stake here for the wider world? Nothing much, at least that I can see. Who owns that small patch of dirt is of absolutely zero consequence to anyone but the locals.

    Right now you have four titanic battering rams hammering at the US: Wall Street financial predation, the effects of the massive wave of offshoring of American industry, the concurrent influx of outsiders either legally or illegally and the ten-fold rise since the late 1990’s in the price of crude. Seems to me that there’s more than enough there to occupy Americans.

    • MisterDarling August 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm #

      Hello Volodya,

      Thanks for pointing in the direction of *Issues of Relevance*… It is appreciated.

      Here’s another red-flag item for the ‘All Hell’ file:

      What do you make of that Major General (that’s a 2-Star G’… MHRIP) getting whacked in Afghanistan, while checking the “progress” of the “transition”?

      Interesting term, “transition”… It gets applied to a multitude of scenarios doesn’t it?

      Images of Soviet tanks streaming out of Afghanistan many years ago keep coming to mind, for some reason. Hopefully (for the grunts) they stay the hell out of Salang Pass Tunnel, this time…


      Personally, I find his death strange and sad – and utterly avoidable. There’s a price to be paid for willful ignorance, *usually* not by the encouragers of it, though.

      Condolences to his family. He died on the field of combat, so at least there’s that.

      • MisterDarling August 6, 2014 at 5:15 pm #

        Here’s a link to a very conventional, middle-of-the-road, MSM news outlet.

        See if you can spot the special irony of this fatality.


      • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm #

        He looked like a paper pusher. That’s how I read his face. The good ones are already gone – pushed to early retirement by Obama. The relevant issue: would they fire on Americans. Of course how good were they if they all just retired quietly like sheep? That pension is all in all obviously. One begins to realize the wisdom of the old European systems where the officers were mostly Aristocrats who couldn’t be bought off so easily.

  76. pkrugman August 6, 2014 at 2:43 pm #

    You* have been known on CFN for prevaricating your way around logic – but nothing you can say will change this fact.. — P4W

    Let’s use math.

    315 million now, 200 million in 1967 = 115 million increase

    1 million immigrants per year arrive so the difference is contributed by citizens not immigrants.

  77. MisterDarling August 6, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

    RE | Ebola


    …there’s just something about a _chart_ to make a topic ‘pop’.

    Once again: I’m not trying to make an especially big deal out of this issue. It’s just *one* of a large portfolio of body-count generators flying in the wake of ‘peak-oil’ related collapse, and this one hasn’t blossomed.


    keep ‘er flyin!

  78. Karah August 6, 2014 at 5:57 pm #

    questioning someones morals is not skeevy or immoral.

  79. BackRowHeckler August 6, 2014 at 6:58 pm #

    Hey look at this!

    Russia is fixin to invade Ukraine have massed a few Divisions and Armor on the border ready to go!

    It will be interesting to see, when Ivan begins kicking ass and blowing up sh-t, if the same CFNers hammering Israel as an aggressor will be hammering Russia the same way. Ha!

    Who knows how far this Russian Army will go. All the way to Kiev? To France? Whos gonna stop ’em? Maybe NATO will throw in their Dutch Divisions, fully unionized and politically correct, hair down to their asses, and stoned out of their minds.


  80. BackRowHeckler August 6, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    And Gay Friendly. That goes without saying!

    General Zhukov will be impressed.

  81. Glitch Mobiliou August 6, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

    Ran Prieur, ‘Parable of The Violent Tribe’, short video clip:


    Derrick Jensen, ‘A Government of Occupation’, short video clip:


  82. Pucker August 6, 2014 at 7:51 pm #

    Was Paul Tibbets’ “Momma” named “Enola Gay”, or was it “Ebola Gay”?

    The crewmen of the Enola Gay must have known that Tibbets named the plane after his Momma. The crewmen referred to The B..,o,,mb as “The Thing”, or “The Gimmick”. They wouldn’t speak of it directly, which is a bit weird…..

    I heard that the Americans have recently permitted the Japanese to start making weapons again. From watching those Japanese kids cartoons on TV, I imagine that the Japanese will have pent up fantasies of making all kinds of weird, sadistic weapons—radiation…..

  83. progress4what August 6, 2014 at 8:20 pm #


    “humanity is at a pinch point…” cavepainter

    Excellent post, cave. It’s too bad it’s marooned and lost among the first day’s posts.

  84. progress4what August 6, 2014 at 8:28 pm #


    “Most nations in the United Nations repress a majority of peoples on earth…”

    Another good post, though I’m in less agreement with it personally.
    Also lost, this post is, in the sturm and drang of the 4th.

    Janos/Vlad – you’re one of the worst here for posting your ideas to random links in the mists of CFN time.

    Why don’t you post to the bottom of the thread?
    Are you JHK?

    • Glitch Mobiliou August 6, 2014 at 11:02 pm #

      “Another good post, though I’m in less agreement with it personally.” ~ progress4what

      Thanks but with what are you in disagreement? The subject of the quote?

      “Also lost, this post is, in the sturm and drang of the 4th.” ~ progress4what

      Could you elaborate/clarify?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

      Sturm and Drang of the 4th? I don’t follow I’m afraid.

      Remember, if you ask me what time it is and I tell you, it’s already wrong by the time you receive it. Watch the Jed and Jethro routine on the Beverly Hillbillies. You seem to be meditating a lot on the evanescent. Perhaps a nascent fear of growing old and Death?

      Remember as Wiliam Blake said, Kiss a Joy as it flies and live in Eternity’s sunrise. The Enlightened Mind does dwell in the Present – but not the mere physical present of the animal, but rather the Present which embraces the Past and the Future and all Space as well.

  85. progress4what August 6, 2014 at 8:41 pm #

    I do not know what message the CIA, NSA, Ozone’s 17 agencies, and the NBC wing of the MSM are trying to send to us here in the USA – but when a Russian yells – you better obey. Especially if you’re white?


  86. Pucker August 7, 2014 at 4:12 am #

    I saw a Chinese hermaphrodite midget on the subway ride into work this morning.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 2:07 pm #

      What did you do in response to this stimulus?

      I saw a guy on the bus who had to shave his forehead. An atavism, a throwback. It made me happy to see my theories about inequality vindicated in such an overt physical manner. I felt like shaking the ape man’s hand.

  87. Pucker August 7, 2014 at 7:41 am #

    In the “Star Trek” espisode “Bread & Circuses”, Mr. Spock says that 11 million people died in the Second World War on Earth. Did Spock just f…ck up?!

  88. ozone August 7, 2014 at 9:35 am #

    Holey Hell!
    Talk about, “gotcha covered mate”…


    What happens next, EVERYWHERE[?], would be more like it.
    As MD avers, some holistic thinking is definitely in order.

  89. ozone August 7, 2014 at 9:53 am #

    Enemies without? (That’s where “they” wish you to focus.)

    Enemies within. More Kleptocratic Lycanthropic Mischief from the glorious Age of Reagan the Addled that continues its’ insidious shape-shifting tricks.


  90. volodya August 7, 2014 at 1:01 pm #

    To Mr Darling,

    What do I make of that general getting whacked?

    It points to the lunacy of the US military in that place. Craziness start to finish. Not only were there no discernable goals that I could see, aside maybe from kicking Muslim ass, but they left wide swathes of Pakistani tribal areas as refugia for enemy combattants. Somebody didn’t put on their thinking cap.

    Yeah, I know, the CIA was in Pakistan doing drone strikes. You know, I remember a time when the CIA said that they didn’t do diarhhea. So, I suppose, this represents substantial change. I mean, imagine the intestinal distress. No solid bowel movements for who knows how long, the fevers, the cramps, the parasites. No laughing matter. But I digress.

    Drone strikes? In the end, so what. Did any deep thinker seriously think that greasing a few Taliban would help? Would it turn Afghanistan into a US ally and bastion of topless sunbathing? Arguably, the opposite was accomplished, for along with the dead Taliban were all the innocent donkey-riders that got in the way.

    From the earliest days of B-52 mud-movers moving mud in the Hindu-Kush, this was all make-believe. You had the ludicrous spectacle of Washington officials officiously officiating (you know, issuing memos, writing reports, evading questions at talk shows) while the Taliban re-took the country bit by bit.

    Just imagine the absurdity of putting American soldiers from beat-down trailer parks and broke-down cities in that place. What shit luck to have nothing to lose and nothing to look forward to and to end up there. One of them said “you people have no idea” or words to that effect. He’s right, we have no idea. Especially Washington.

    Talking about donkey-riders, the fiasco proved one thing, not that it hadn’t been abundantly proved in Vietnam, that donkey-riders can beat the most advanced military that money can buy. Will the lesson be learned this time? I doubt it.

    • AKlein August 7, 2014 at 1:36 pm #

      Volodya, all the points you make are right on target. However, it’s beyond absurdity to put American soldiers “in that place”, given the circumstances and background – which you provide in your response to Mr. Darling – it’s patently criminal. To my mind, a two star general being offed in that G-d-forsaken shithole is not the same travesty as, say, some buck private being wasted with an IED. I know that may sound unsympathetic. Well, we all know that promotions happen when combat “theaters” (I just love the military lingo) are active. This just happens to be one of the “benefits” derived from war.
      The grunt just wants to get out, but the offocers want to go up.

      • MisterDarling August 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm #

        “it’s patently criminal.”-AK.

        Yes… isn’t it?


        More about that later.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 2:12 pm #

      Yes, it’s humbling. The brave Afghans have been occupied many times but never conquered. Will WE show a fraction of their tenacity in the years to come? Or will we just bow down to our Masters and accept the death of our nation and the extinction of our race?

      • MisterDarling August 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

        “Yes, it’s humbling. The brave Afghans have been occupied many times but never conquered. Will WE show a fraction of their tenacity in the years to come?”-Janos.

        Every once in awhile, you write something that actually sounds like it might go somewhere… if only…


        • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 6:54 pm #

          Only because I said something good about 3rd Worlders. If I said something good about Whites you’d automatically be against it. How strange it must be to be you.

          • MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 2:47 am #

            “If I said something good about Whites you’d automatically be against it.”-Janos.

            You *were* saying something good about Whites, you silly man. The Pashtuns are tall, fair-skinned, bearded Caucasians.

            You need to get out more, Janos.



    • MisterDarling August 7, 2014 at 2:53 pm #

      Thanks Volodya for the thoughtful reply.

      My schedule is rather full today. I will reply at length in a matter of some hours, however.

      • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2014 at 6:35 am #

        The Pashtun (one of Afghanistan’s peoples) are swarthy, hairy Southern Caucasians, not Northern or White Caucasians. Their existence is not threatened as ours is.

        There are isolated communities that still show some White genotypes in these countries, but in general we’ve been driven out or absorbed as in the rest of Asia. Is anyone ever going to give us back our lands? Of course not. So why do you Lefties indulge in all kinds of guilt about the Lands we’ve taken? Your anti-White bias is constant.

        • MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 1:23 pm #

          ” So why do you Lefties indulge in all kinds of guilt about the Lands we’ve taken? Your anti-White bias is constant.”-Janos.

          Only in the interest of Clarity will I say this: I am not “you Lefties”, I’m not interested in guilt & I am emphatically not “anti-White”. You’re shadow-boxing yourself into a corner with this absolutist folderol, Janos.

          And now I’m not going any further with this.

          Happy Friday, Janos!


          • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

            So you admit that Whites have the right to have our own clubs, and advocacy groups? And even have the right to have our own Nations just like other races do?

    • MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm #

      Voldoya, regarding your reply;

      “It points to the lunacy of the US military in that place. Craziness start to finish. Not only were there no discernable goals that I could see, aside maybe from kicking Muslim ass, but they left wide swathes of Pakistani tribal areas as refugia for enemy combattants. Somebody didn’t put on their thinking cap.”-Volodya.

      Imagine that there was a DoD internal audit program that embedded operatives in combat units. Imagine (for the sake of exploring this conceptually) that one of those operatives was yo.

      What you saw (bear with me) was that the goal of the conflict was that there was *no* goal. They got a war started, then they kept it going for as long as possible. ‘Winning’ was beside the point.

      I will also add that military personnel were not even allowed to discuss the opium situation – in ranks or out – until the Spring of 2007… That seems a little odd, doesn’t it? The link between opium production and Taliban funding was well known, but for the US military it was an off-limits topic.

      Problem-solving was severely discourage at every level. This is only one example.

      Late in the war they formalized the latest version of ‘Counter-Insurgency Doctrine’ – right around the time they were touting a raft of ‘wonder-weapons’ that supposedly would turn the Talibani tide.

      These are gigantic red-flags that the whole thing was a fraud. ‘Counter-Insurgency’ doctrine is ridiculous. Counter-Insurgency has been used by the US military edifice (and by extension their corporate partners) the same way that Derivative Theory has been used in finance – to obliterate accountability.

      And just as derivative theory fails to eliminate structural risk while increasing transaction activity, counter-insurgency fails strategically, while increasing the cost per-hostile incident and overall duration of the conflict.

      Afghanistan was a Fake War to match our Fake Capital markets – with a horrific body-count.

      “Drone strikes? In the end, so what. Did any deep thinker seriously think that greasing a few Taliban would help? Would it turn Afghanistan into a US ally and bastion of topless sunbathing? Arguably, the opposite was accomplished, for along with the dead Taliban were all the innocent donkey-riders that got in the way.”-v.

      Anyone with an actual background in military science will tell you that __You DON’T Fix Strategic Problems with Tactical Solutions__. Yet, cooler tactics (‘combat choreography’), slicker toys and tales of special-op daring-do are the mainstay of US war-reportage.

      When you see that increase, you know who’s losing.

      “Talking about donkey-riders, the fiasco proved one thing, not that it hadn’t been abundantly proved in Vietnam, that donkey-riders can beat the most advanced military that money can buy. Will the lesson be learned this time? I doubt it”-v.

      As H. John Poole has written in his interesting (and useful) books about the modern battlefield (Tactics of the Crescent Moon, for example), the US military excels at equipping and provisioning it’s fighting-folk. American military people are possibly the worlds best at inventorying and maintaining their stuff… In every other department – well, let’s just say that the jury is out. What is known for sure is that bang-for-buck, we suck. We are the ‘spendiest’ military the world has ever seen… This is not an accident.

      “Just imagine the absurdity of putting American soldiers from beat-down trailer parks and broke-down cities in that place. What shit luck to have nothing to lose and nothing to look forward to and to end up there. One of them said “you people have no idea” or words to that effect. He’s right, we have no idea. Especially Washington.-v.

      Yes, I do have some idea. I was there with those folks, and I got there with no shortcuts taken, no accommodations made. Many of those people feel like they got hung out to dry by their nation’s decision-makers. They are right. They were.

      There comes a time in the life-cycle of every nation when it’s too corrupt to take care of itself in very basic and necessary ways – like defending itself, feeding itself, providing basic sanitation, etc.

      Reliance on the private sector to do these things is an unequivocal sign that a nation is close to the end. Why? Because now there’s massive financial incentive to create, exacerbate, extend and expand problems.

      Byzantium had to rely on merc’s at Manzikert. The Italian city-states were in no shape to defend themselves from the invading French, – not because they lacked the people or means, but mainly because a century of “stylized” (fake) combat between business-rivals/partner mercenaries deleted their understanding of how to fight a real war. [*]

      Once again, if it seems like nothing about Afghanistan (or Iraq for that matter) added up, there’s a reason. But don’t assume that these were ‘unsuccessful’ campaigns. For certain people these were incredibly successful – financially and politically… in the short-run.

      What didn’t occur to certain people however, is that there’s a limit to what you can ‘game’ without breaking something, permanently.

      Everything after that is – as they say – ‘History’…


      — — —

      [*] I’m using two very complimentary examples.

  91. schwerpunkter August 7, 2014 at 2:27 pm #

    I’m not in total agreement here with JHK on the Israel question but I guess he is of the generation who still has a strong emotional attachment to this idea and the nation state that had managed to take a little from colonial Europe and pre-Mandela South Africa and just toss in a little Crusades for the sake of it and set up shop in the unstable wreckage of the old Ottoman Empire vis. European Empires. However, it may be that any conversation on Gaza is useless. If 1.5 mil. people (more or less) are all crushed together, how is it that women and children are not both shields and in the way? Both perspectives may be correct. If Hamas stopped firing rockets and everyone just marched to the border with Egypt and attacked the wall, would that meet their goal better than lobbing bad fireworks at the American-made-n-bought-n-paid for missile defense system? Can’t Islam produce a Martin Luther King Jr. or Gandhi? As to ISIS, this is World War IV. A much bigger deal than Gaza. ISIS and the collapse of the ME will continue and in time, will bring us all in… or back… to this area and an increasingly unstable world. I am certainly not tossing out my survival books I bought in 2000 and 8 quite yet… But I do suspect some of those rations I have have gone funky…

  92. BackRowHeckler August 7, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

    ISIS forces have captured the largest Christian city in Iraq, a place called Erzil. Needless to say tens of thousands of Christians are running for their lives, literally headed for the hills. The Pope has appealed to the United States and western Europe for help.

    Interestingly enough, another religious minority has emerged, a pre-Islamic group which practices an ancient form of Christianity, called Yazikls. They have been slated for extermination by ISIS, as well.

    When this killing party gets going you’re going to forget all about Gaza, Israel, Ebola, Putin, Ukraine, Flight 17, Libya, Egypt, mass migration into the US, mid term elections, Major General Green, and Kim Kardashians wedding to Kanya West. At least for awhile, or until the job is complete.


  93. BackRowHeckler August 7, 2014 at 8:42 pm #

    Ya, not to belabor the point, but ISIS is on a role alright. They’ve captured Iraq’s largest dam, upstream from Baghdad, a hydro electric plant that makes electricity for Baghdad, and they remind me of the kind of chaps who like to blow up dams.

  94. progress4what August 7, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

    “what are you talking about, ‘sturm and drang on the 4th?'”
    – glitch and janos –

    You guys are overanalyzing – I was just expressing my distaste for nested comments that are linked to other comments from earlier in the day or week. I don’t care for them myself, because I think they cut down on the discourse here @ CFN, because I think most posters don’t know these linked posts exist and/or don’t know how to search for them.

    And it may be that JHK intended to reduce the discourse by using nested comment software. If so, he was successful. it would appear.

    • Glitch Mobiliou August 8, 2014 at 4:36 pm #

      “I was just expressing my distaste for nested comments that are linked to other comments from earlier in the day or week.”
      ~ sturmanddrang4what

      (scratches head)


      How about plain English?

  95. progress4what August 7, 2014 at 10:52 pm #

    And Glitch, I’m not going to go back and analyze your post for points of agreement or disagreement. I just thought it was an interesting post, which was why I made reference to it by clicking the # sign and creating a “direct link.”

    This isn’t the world’s best format for analysis. For example, aaron is 100% correct on drug legalization, yet hideously wrong on immigration policy.

    Janos, as a proxy for the right – is correct about some things, yet hideously wrong on an anti-abortion policy that allows no exceptions.

    And yeah, janos – you are correct to pick up a “depressed?” tone in my posts lately. The world is going the wrong way, with the US in the lead; but nothing significant is ever going to change, ever again.

    Did you know that with 435 congresscritters and -/+ 33 senators standing for election – that exactly THREE incumbents have lost their primaries. This is with congress’ approval rating at what?

    “Right mind,” is the crucial modifier above.
    At a crucial juncture in world history – a critical mass of the US voting public is completely deranged and out of their minds.

    The only things our congresscritters are ever going to accomplish as major legislation is going to be convoluted disasters, written by lobbyists and insiders – designed to favor corporate and oligarch consolidation of power. Witness the Affordable Care Act. Any immigration legislation is going to be even worse. Probably much, much worse. How is that even possible?

    And this is another part of what collapse looks like.
    There is no better future.

    • Janos Skorenzy August 7, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

      I could take the hard core White Nationalist position where I’d be against abortion for Whites but for them for other races. That would be more logical – especially since our Race is not the problem, not even maintaining our population. And also our Race is our Race – a tautology with real emotional meaning. Orthodox Judaism takes this position – just one of many similarities between Peoples who intend to survive.

      But my spiritual side kicks in and the real facts of abortion are hideous. You need to meditate on pictures of aborted fetuses, read descriptions of the butchery, and read the stories of how abortion often ruins women’s bodies and lives.

    • Glitch Mobiliou August 8, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

      “The state has moved into many new areas as they become significant, such as… promoting nuclear power. This expanding role of the state helps prevent the rise of any significant competing forms of social organisation…

      The obvious point is that most social activists look constantly to the state for solutions to social problems. This point bears laboring, because the orientation of most social action groups tends to reinforce state power. This applies to most antiwar action too. Many of the goals and methods of peace movements have been oriented around action by the state, such as appealing to state elites… By appealing to the state, activists indirectly strengthen the roots of many social problems, the problem of war in particular…

      Many people’s thinking is permeated by state perspectives. One manifestation of this is the unstated identification of states or governments with the people in a country which is embodied in the words ‘we’ or ‘us.’… It is important to avoid this identification, and to carefully distinguish states from people…”
      ~ Brian Martin, ‘Uprooting War’

  96. progress4what August 7, 2014 at 10:58 pm #

    Regarding the dead general.
    I’ll look forward to your analysis, MD.

    My first thought was, “How does one Afghani manage to kill or wound 10 US servicemen?” Don’t those guys carry weapons? Don’t they put bullets in them?

    And of course, they probably don’t. Not inside a “secure area.”
    Secure? HAH!
    And this tells us that the US military is more concerned with accidental discharges, or fragging – than they are with actually trusting their own men to properly deploy weapons.

    Shades of Fort Hood – where CIVILIAN law enforcement finally stopped that Muslim Major, as I recall.
    Seriously, WTF!! We’ve come to a bad pass in history when soldiers rely on civilian LEO’s to come onto a fort to protect them.

    • MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm #

      “My first thought was, “How does one Afghani manage to kill or wound 10 US servicemen?” Don’t those guys carry weapons? Don’t they put bullets in them?”-Progress.

      The perpetrator must have been vetted and very trusted for him to have been on the general’s security detail, so the combination of the complete surprise and very close proximity meant reaction times were extremely slow.

      That’s just reality – the way that gunfights at close quarters actually transpire – as opposed to what folks are typically shown in the movies.

      • MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm #

        Small, technical correction:

        Make that ‘slow’ reaction times… A trained person can fire ten effective shots at close quarters in under 15 seconds, so when we discuss reaction times & close-quarters pistol-craft, we need to mentally adjust our understanding of what ‘slow’ is.

        Just want to be very clear.

  97. progress4what August 7, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

    One more thing, md.

    “PS; don’t let ‘em bait you. It’s not worth the aggravation, it really isn’t…” – md, to aaron –

    I disagree. We have a new poster whose first couple of posts begin with a baiting and insulting, “Do you have an IQ?”

    I believe some counterbaiting is quite well justified.

  98. Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2014 at 6:39 am #

    The CDC says we can control Ebola but it will be a fight. Does that fight not include controlling our Southern Border? Or is not screening the illegals some kind of sacred oversight that trumps all safety and security? Can anyone guarantee that West Africans haven’t already come over or that they wont?

  99. Cold N. Holefield August 8, 2014 at 9:39 am #

    Here is what I think is going to happen now. Israel will withdraw from Gaza. Hamas’s war-making ability has been deeply degraded for a while, but any further rocket attacks will be answered in kind. Perhaps the citizens of Gaza will rethink who they want to have as leaders.

    I thought so too — for a fleeting second. But alas, it wasn’t to be. The peace talks and cease-fire have ended abruptly with nothing gained or accomplished. Rockets are being fired from Gaza again, and this time Hamas is blaming a radical Jihad faction (what is Hamas if not this) rather than the little old ladies and school children they hide behind and under.

    The author, b for Bernhard, over at Moon of Alabama blog said the following about Hamas’s motivation:

    Hamas had announced that it would next target Israel’s only international airport near Tel Aviv. Stopping international air traffic brings serious damage to Israel’s economy. Hamas will also try to bait the Israeli army into re-invading the Gaza strip. Its calculation is that more Israeli casualties, as would be certain in close-in fighting, might push the Israeli government to finally lift the seven year old siege.

    To which I replied, because I couldn’t let it go:

    How do you know that’s its calculation? My calculation is that it will bring even more suffering and death to the non-militant Palestinians who want no part in this eternal conflict. Maybe Hamas can hire Strelkov (aka Igor Girkin or The Pickle) since he’s out of a job (thanks to my and Christo Grozev’s efforts in exposing the bastard) in Eastern Ukraine and is looking for a new conflict to add to his war crimes record. No one can argue that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn’t a pickle. A pickle calls for The Pickle.


  100. ozone August 8, 2014 at 10:25 am #

    A brief note for those interested in “A History of the Future” —

    JHK reveals a few plotting points and discusses the [pot-holed, crumbling] road forward.


    (Spoiler alert: For the melanin obssessed, JHK reveals that there will indeed be a Why?topia established by christo-fascists. One tiny problem? They’re at constant war with New Africa… I can’t possibly image why that would be. Oopsie; careful what you wish for!)

    • Janos Skorenzy August 8, 2014 at 1:52 pm #

      So are Whites at war with Blacks or Blacks with Whites? Or do you think it’s equal somehow? Even though Black rates of rape and murder are seven to ten times that of Whites? Thus your implication that Whites will be at war with Blacks is in conflict with reality. They may well be defending themselves – if that is a difference you can understand.

      Please promise me that you will live with the Blacks – assuming that they will have you.

      • Looongerbeard August 9, 2014 at 5:02 pm #

        Shoo! Shoo, racist fool! Yer stinkin up this website again!

  101. MisterDarling August 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm #

    RE | This:

    “Maybe we are making a mistake to think that any sort of rationality applies now. Here in the depraved and disintegrating USA, we pretend that Afghanistan threatens our national interest from 7,000 miles away while denying that Russia has any business with its crumbling next-door neighbor (and former province), Ukraine — the crumbling of which was bought and paid for by the US Department of State and CIA.”-J H K.

    It’s ‘Fair Warning’ time.



    And consider:

    2 months ago I didn’t rate the likelihood very high… Things change.

    • BackRowHeckler August 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm #

      Its interesting to speculate on how a war with Russia would unfold. We have, of course, the example of the Swedes in the 18th century, the French in 1812, and Germany in 1914 and 1941.

      The US has an army of less than 500,000 soldiers; for the Germans in 1941 3.5 million were not enough to get the job done. In June 1812 the French invaded Russia with 615,000 troops. They returned home a year later with a bedraggled force of survivors 4000 limping into Paris. For the rest of the 19th century the French government sent delegations and commissions into Russia to try to find out what happened to their army.


  102. BackRowHeckler August 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm #

    We have a few ships in the Black Sea, which is really a Russian Lake; not unlike the Caribbean is to the USA. If Russia decided to knock those ships out it could possibly trigger a larger conflict. Who knows if it could then be contained.


  103. BackRowHeckler August 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

    Anyway, events are conspiring to F- up the deluxe summer vacation on Martha’s Vineyard. It might be hard to keep your mind on golf with democrat billionaires when the whole world is coming apart.


  104. Glitch Mobiliou August 8, 2014 at 5:17 pm #

    “What part of… quit firing rockets… don’t you understand?” ~ James Howard Kunstler

    The firing of rockets is a symptom of course, as opposed to the cause(s).

    Much, if not all, of the old mainstream media channels seem to be well-known for their relatively-limited analyses… But then, perhaps along the lines of one concern of Big Pharma; the management of the disease is more profitable than the cure.

  105. Pucker August 9, 2014 at 8:50 am #

    I’m now in New York City, the “Big Apple”. I’m afraid that “The Big Apple” may have a worm in it. It seems that many people here in New York City do not speak English. I’m not joking.

    I saw a photo in the newspaper this morning of some Ugandan homosexuals demonstrating in Uganda. One of them was holding a sign that read: “Some Ugandans are gay. Get over it!”

    That “Get Over It” expression is a typically American expression. I suspect that some American homosexual NGOs must have put them up to it? Why are they spending our money on such rubbish, particularly when our infrastructure is in such terrible disrepair?

    • MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 2:19 pm #

      “Why are they spending our money on such rubbish, particularly when our infrastructure is in such terrible disrepair?”-Pucker.

      Such flailing is typical of regimes on their way out. I’m fairly confident that some Ancient Roman contractor was too busy building that __*one last*__ vomitoreum in the Governors palace to notice the Gauls streaming across the Rhine.

      Or, that several millennia later, some Italian cook was fussing over the general’s manicotti when Allied tanks crested the rise.

      Chronic misallocation of resources is what got them to where they wound up, after all.

      Regarding the (posited) US-homosexual NGO’s working in Uganda, counteracting the work that US right-wing NGO’s have been doing there, I don’t have much data on that… It’s not something that I track.



  106. BackRowHeckler August 9, 2014 at 11:05 am #

    I’ve read the ‘Squeegy Men’ are back, too!

    Give my regards to Mayor Bill.

    Just a few days ago Dana Millbank, in his column, states he looks forward to the day when the Chinese become the majority population in NYC. I shit you not. It won’t be long now …


  107. progress4what August 9, 2014 at 11:07 am #

    “Say what?”
    – posters translate sturm and drang on the 4th –

    Let me take another go at this. I believe some thoughtful posts that are well worth discussion are being lost forever because they are being linked to comments from early in the week. Comments made originally on the “4th” for example, now have other posts linked to them that are unlikely to ever be seen.

    As another example, I just posted this:
    “If a poster posts to CFN and nobody reads it does it make a sound?”

    And that post is elsewhere on the thread, unloved and unseen forever.

    If you want your posts to be read, post them at the BOTTOM of the thread, people.


    • Glitch Mobiliou August 10, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

      re: this post

      Hi progress4what, I understood from your previous response, but thanks for the elaboration.

      As for sub-thread nested replies, well, has our blog-owner suggested otherwise, or; are nestings supposed to follow the structural implications of the site (indent, arrow and reply buttons), and the flow of the conversation, and/or be easier to find where nested, regardless of their dates-of-posting?

      They work for me in any case, and perhaps better than if there was a need to sift through multiple replies to multiple threads on the bottom.

      FWIW, one can do a page-search using a specific date or moniker, for examples.

      BTW, as mentioned hereon, I happened to have caught your apparent reply about a reply about immigration at JMG’s blog, and given the context here with posting, wonder if you might have some kind of propensity toward some kinds of, say, ‘retentiveness’. ;P

  108. progress4what August 9, 2014 at 11:12 am #

    “This was not the 5-feet 8-inch tall, 130-pound teen’s first brush with violence. State records state he was a convicted felon arrested twice since age 12 for armed robbery with a gun, once for battery on a public or school employee and once for burglarizing a home.”


    Aaron and others – are you saying that this teen was dangerous because he was born in the US, whereas those teens flooding across the southern border are all innocent, blameless, and armed only with teddy bears?

  109. Pucker August 9, 2014 at 11:40 am #

    Happy Nagasaki Day!

    • BackRowHeckler August 9, 2014 at 12:17 pm #

      Saved the lives of many a US Marine, Soldier and Sailor, that Nagasaki A Bomb.

      The new CO of the US Air Force in the pacific is a grandma who has never piloted a combat aircraft, one of Obama’s many AA picks, a direct heir of cigar chomping General Curtis ‘Bombs Away’ LeMay.


  110. volodya August 9, 2014 at 11:43 am #

    Mister Darling, great post.

    WRT the soldier boys hung out to dry, we and others have already touched on this but I think that it needs repeating. And, given that this site has been previously (and probably still is) monitored and actively interfered with by the government, maybe, (but, realistically, not very likely) the message might get through.

    The message? Well, given what American Klepto-Oligarchs and their fart-boys in Washington are best at, that is, thinking about their own self-interest, what they need to think about is what they’ve created in the wake of 1) two very long wars 2) the wave of offshoring of American industry and jobs 3) the concurrent and massive influx of millions of outsiders. All of which the Klepto-Oligarchs and their sock-puppets in Washington are responsible for.

    What have they created? 1) a large contingent of young Americans with combat experience 2) a dire lack of employment prospects and, as a result, a lack of marriage prospects for these young guys 3) an exacerbation of the unemployment problem from the influx of outsiders.

    In short, a large number of frustrated youngsters that know how to use guns.

    But not only that, an ever larger contingent of marginalized outsiders that, regardless of their legal status in the USA, didn’t cross the border to work like beasts or live in dire poverty.

    Hung out to dry? On multiple levels. Chewed up and spat out.

    The Oligarch Consensus is that this is America, the American Way is one of Freedom and Free Enterprise and Free Markets, that here in America, the rugged individual will make his own way. In other words, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating, anything goes and the Klepto-Oligarch gets to do whatever the fuck he wants.

    As for the soldier boy, according to the Klepto-Oligarch, the soldier boy should be proud to serve America and kill other people and risk his own life. You and other reasonable people would snidely remark that all this serving and risking and looking down the gunsights and killing surely doesn’t apply to the Klepto-Oligarch and his own offspring. You would be right, it surely doesn’t.

    The K-O and his kin salute those who are about to die. Actually, who are we kidding? They’re too absorbed with their own self indulgence to even spare a passing thought. I mean, really, all the shopping and partying and boozing and drugging and whoring and fucking. Who has time?

    And I’ll bet that quite a number of chewed up and spat out soldier boys know this.

    If the K-Os are so good at looking after their own interests they ought to start paying some mind. Because they will get sucked into the resultant disasters just like the rest of us. But will they take heed? Again, who are we kidding?

    • Janos Skorenzy August 9, 2014 at 3:01 pm #

      Thank you for using the word Oligarch and not Fascist. Fascists love their people and culture. Our Elite obviously hate their nation or at least are completely indifferent to it. Fascists love their soldiers. Our Elite just use young men and then throw them away. Fascist keep Capitalist in line. In our system, greed is God – the only thing held sacred.

      • MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

        “Our Elite obviously hate their nation or at least are completely indifferent to it. Fascists love their soldiers. Our Elite just use young men and then throw them away.”-Janos.

        Holy-cr*p! Janos, you’ve finally written something that I can agree with. [*]

        Our Oligarchic elite take things a step further: in word and deed they demonstrate that they are Corporate Nihilists.

        Politically rationalized *Nihilism* is the toxic excrescence of late-stage Capitalism. It’s a disease nested within _another_ fatal disease.

        To quote one of my favorite films [1]: “Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an *ethos*! But Nihilism! Holy-…”

        Regarding this though:

        “Fascist keep Capitalist in line.”-Janos.

        Well, let’s just say that the F-people *tried* to keep their Capitalists in line in the documented past.

        At least there was some sort of ‘hell to pay’ for traitorously undermining domestic and foreign policy objectives – in stark contrast to the bacchanalia of bloviating, back-stabbing billionaires that currently beset us.

        — — —

        [*] is this happening?

        [1] The Big Lebowski, “Walter Sobchak” / John Goodman.

        • Janos Skorenzy August 10, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

          Even Orwell admitted that the individual Fascist was often a good fellow, what with his hot water bottle and worries about his precious bodily fluids. The good fellow feels he that by holding the pass he is protecting civilization. Reluctantly he admitted that Fascism would have preserved European Culture. Did he already have an inkling that the Allies would not? He did live long enough to realize that the Communists wouldn’t.

          I admire Orwell – one of the last of Men of the Left who loved his nation – and he obviously did love England. How sad that a man of this quality got hooked up with Marxism. He was a natural national socialist who should have been following Mosley. Perhaps his horrible experiences at public (what we call private) school (Such, Such Were the Joys) queered him on anything smacking of Aristocracy or Elitism – as if Marxism is really egalitarian or as if such a thing is even possible. Sad. As goes the Elite, so goes the Nation.

          • MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 5:18 pm #

            I strongly commend ‘Orwells’ (aka.Eric Blair) work.

            He was a ‘leftist’ with his ideas about political theory firmly held in check by life experience (law-enforcement & combat re: Burma Days, Ode to Catalonia).

            No writer to be trifled with, him. . . And he was a decent husband as well. A credit to his nation.

            Let me be clear, however, I see no point in claiming any ‘isms’ at this late date. It is naïve to speak and act as if there is a political ‘process’, when every day delivers strong proof that there is nothing of the kind.

            Thank you for the reply, Janos.


    • MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 11:02 pm #

      “What have they created? 1) a large contingent of young Americans with combat experience 2) a dire lack of employment prospects and, as a result, a lack of marriage prospects for these young guys 3) an exacerbation of the unemployment problem from the influx of outsiders.”-Volodya.

      It’s an interesting exercise trying to wrap your head around what the shot-callers in Finance and Defense (our two most powerful oligarch tribes) thought was supposed to happen, given the policies that they’ve backed for the past 40 years.

      Eventually, you arrive at the conclusion that they didn’t think any of this through, or if they did, they have a thinking process that doesn’t include _Consequences_ or comprehends cause-and-effect in any way that the rest of the species does.

      “You and other reasonable people would snidely remark that all this serving and risking and looking down the gunsights and killing surely doesn’t apply to the Klepto-Oligarch and his own offspring. You would be right, it surely doesn’t.”-v.

      “Snidely remark”… Hmm, I make _sarcastic_ remarks, never snide ones – and certainly not about this issue. I had (and have) far too much skin in the ‘patriot game’ for that.

      Suppose for a second that there were and are people actually willing to ‘risk their all’ for the ‘king and country’, or for ‘The Good People of [name your local republic] – not because they think that it’s perfect, but because it represents *Order* and they know how much trouble real *Chaos* is.

      Now (indulge me, Volodya ;), imagine that you learn that the agents of Chaos, the biggest, craziest ‘barbarians at the gate’ aren’t actually at the gate at all, they’re in the penthouse suite of the royal tower, haphazardly crashing it all between sips or snorts.

      “And I’ll bet that quite a number of chewed up and spat out soldier boys know this.”-v.

      Uhhh… yes. That is correct. Even if some of them are a little ‘hard of thinking’, “it won’t take no GED” to recognize the difference between their circumstances and those of the 0.1%-ers as soon as they come into contact with them.

      *If* they come into contact with them? Yes, they will. Events have been set in motion to get everyone _in Motion_, so to speak. None of us knows precisely where we’ll end up.

      That’s why it’s not a good time to be making enemies. It might even be a fine time on working on our people skills or at least practicing our SFTU-when-necessary skills.


      “But will they take heed? Again, who are we kidding?”-v.

      If they were the kind of people who *could* take heed, none of this would be happening. Would it?

      But surely you are asking rhetorically…



  111. MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 2:06 pm #

    Let’s go do some ‘Peace-Keeping’… Russian edition:


    So, it’s looking more and more like it’s that time again…

    • MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 8:45 pm #

      But it all takes a backseat to corporate “Pragmatism”:


      Nothing gets between ExxonMobil and profits, regardless of what the proles think.

  112. progress4what August 9, 2014 at 4:06 pm #

    From the normally genteel and well-moderated ArchDruidReport comment section comes a bellow of threatening language in response to a rather moderate post from a ADR reader in Arizona:

    “I am aware that it is the reptilian part of my brain that takes offense of the words “flood from the south” coming out of an Arizonian mouth. For the benefit of JMG and the fine community gathering in his “virtual living-room” I will recognize that.. yes, there’s a flood of people from the Spanish-speaking Americas to the US… and yes, the results are not likely to be pretty for *anyone* involved.

    Once we have established that the “flood from the south” is indeed coming your way, I will offer a piece of (unwelcome?) advise. Every bit of fear and mistrust you feel towards us, we feel tenfold towards you. Arizonian gringos are scary evil people that hide behind their automatic rifles and will murder/rape your women and children if given a chance. Everybody this side the border knows that. Regular gringos are rude and clueless, but (mostly) harmless.

    When the flood hit’s your hometown, you want to be perceived as a Regular gringo, not an Arizonian gringo.”

    I put in a comment to register my displeasure, and to my surprise the Druid put it through.

    Interesting times are ahead.

  113. MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    “The worlds most frightening startup”:


    At ISIS, they do a swift trade… In Barbarity.

    (‘hey, they’re just going with the flow of the times, man. You gotta give The Market what It wants, *enterprise factors* and all that’… /s)

  114. michigan_native August 9, 2014 at 7:29 pm #

    Meanwhile, back in the US, we are seeing hurricanes approach the west coast. Water supplies are critically short. Ebola is on the rise. We are trying to trigger a war with Russia. It looks like our neo Nazi allies shot down a commercial Malaysian jetliner, and the sanctions are starting, which could be the beginning of WWIII, and yet people are still concerned with this never ending Israel/Hamas bullshit. Those people are going to engage in this tit for tat insanity until the end of time, and talking about it is a waste of time.

    Normally I find Gerald Celente rather amusing, if not accurate, his latest youtube video degenerates into a shouting match between himself and Greg Hunter over the these people that will hate and kill each other forever. It’s giving me a fucking headache, I will be glad when the focus goes back to issues more immediately relevant to our lives back here in the good old USA.

    • MisterDarling August 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm #

      “and yet people are still concerned with this never ending Israel/Hamas bullshit. Those people are going to engage in this tit for tat insanity until the end of time, and talking about it is a waste of time.”-MI Native.

      Preachin’ to the choir, Mich’…


      On the other hand, we ‘must’ remember to _remember_ how important that homicidal circle-jerk is, otherwise well, *Who Knows*? Someone’s cash-flow might take a hit…


      Good on ya,


    • Therian August 10, 2014 at 6:07 am #

      I couldn’t agree more, MN. Our nation is slowly being taken over by Hong Kong money fleeing China because the Chinese government is cracking down on HK oligarchs so they’re coming over to the West Coast and driving rents to Manhattan levels. That affects ME and many friends of mine who are fleeing to places in Oregon and interior California that are cheap but full of murder and mayhem and meth heads.

      I look at Israel vs. Palestine as some weird abstraction which is akin to “filler” sports shows like a celebrity golf tourney. What the hell do these two countries/peoples have to do with the welfare of America? Answer: BUPKIS. That’s why I’m rather astonished at Mr. Kunstler’s 3-week obsession with it.

      The recovery is a sham and workforce participation is at 36 year lows and monetary velocity is LOWER than 2009. Meanwhile, the US keeps leaking high-end intellectual jobs and becoming a nation of barristas, burger flippers, and call center flunkies.

      Wait ’til the dumbass hedge funds who created the “housing shortage” are stuck with all that unoccupied real estate. When this bubble blows up and makes 2008-2009 look like a “prequel”, you’re going to see a massive increase in murder, black markets, and local mafiosi that will make Chicago of the 1930s look like a bastion of compassion and order. Mark my words!!

      • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 3:25 pm #

        This could prove to be the most significant event since 9/11, and people are occupying all this time over the fighting in Gaza.


        Has anyone else noticed how strangely quiet Obama, killer Kerry, and Hitlery Clinton have become over the downing of that passenger jet? If the truth ever is allowed to get out, the world will turn against Obama and US sanctions/foreign policy and those terrorists and mass murderers that we installed and embraced in Kiev would be on the run. I am seeing stories not reported in the western media that the people are starting to protest this oligarch, resisting being drafted and protesting that they do not want war with the east or with Russia, but that seems to be the sole reason the west installed this asshole. So his own government and his own people are starting to turn against him, and the austerity conditions that they will be subjected to if the IMF bails them out have not yet kicked in, nor has the lack of gas for heat when the winter comes shortly. If its anything like the last winter from hell, you will see millions of pissed off, freezing people descend on Kiev and give the cocksucker the Mussolini treatment that he so much deserves

        • MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

          “Has anyone else noticed how strangely quiet Obama, killer Kerry, and Hitlery Clinton have become over the downing of that passenger jet?”-MI Native.

          . . . Y E S.

          They got on the STFU-Line Express and left town quick.



          “So his own government and his own people are starting to turn against him, and the austerity conditions that they will be subjected to if the IMF bails them out have not yet kicked in, nor has the lack of gas for heat when the winter comes shortly.”-MI.

          As I commented weeks ago, we’ll be seeing a whole new mindset in that part of the world, Come September.

          Brace Yourselves, Winter IS Coming, and She is Harsh and in No Mood to listen to any ideological B-S about the way things ‘shoulda been’. . .



      • MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm #

        ” What the hell do these two countries/peoples have to do with the welfare of America? Answer: BUPKIS. That’s why I’m rather astonished at Mr. Kunstler’s 3-week obsession with it.”-Therian.


        [shrugging, shaking my head]

  115. BackRowHeckler August 9, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

    I notice ISIS fighters are toting M4 Carbines, made right over here in Hartford. Nothing but the best for those boys. Incidentally, those Toyota and Ford F250 pick ups they ride around in look pretty new. Are those trucks courtesy of Uncle Sam too?

    Now that the Iraq war has heated up again will noted war protester Cindy Sheehan swim out to the Vineyard and make a nuicance of herself like she did in Crawford Texas back in ’07 at another presidents summer vacation? It was on the news every night, wall to wall, Remember? Great political theatre at the time, right before the 08 election. What kind of media coverage do you think her antics would get now in 2014?

    I’m trying to figure out how Obama is going to get those 40 thousand Yazidi people off that mountain without dropping in the 82nd or 101st Airborne. ISIS want to kill every one of them; that’s what they say anyway. I believe ’em. Incidentally, for you feminists, ISIS has kidnapped several thousand Yazidi women to be used as ‘temporary wives’ for their fighters. I’m assuming they’re talking about rape, the real thing, not the Anerican college campus politcal bullshit variety.


  116. MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 12:13 am #

    Oh my! Can’t find customers with good credit?

    Well, let’s just go right on ahead and define that *down*, shall we?


    There now! Problem solved.



  117. MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 12:26 am #

    ” In other words, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating, anything goes and the Klepto-Oligarch gets to do whatever the fuck he wants.”-Volodya.

    Just putting it all in perspective:


    Afghanistan was not a small-time rip-off.

    What percentage of that cash was used constructively (by us or our allies) in any way, shape or form? How much of it wound up in Gulf State bank accounts? Care to hazard a guess?


  118. MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 10:53 am #

    Oh, remember that whole ‘MH17 thing’?



    The Malaysian government is pressing charges… Against the regime in Kiev.

    It was taken down by an aircraft apparently – the Su-25 that was stalking it – with an air-to-air missile (thus the frag’ pattern) and finished off with a burst of 30mm.


    Assess _Means, _Motive and _Opportunity_ *first*.

    • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 3:34 pm #

      Yes, I was just posting about this. Imagine the implications for the Obama regime, who were quick to rush to judgment and blame Russia. Their silence is now deafening about this, but despite the lack of coverage, it just isn’t going to go away. http://rt.com/usa/179284-ron-paul-mh17-ukraine/

      The most significant terrorist act since 9/11 and for weeks all people are talking about is this never ending Israel/Palestine bullshit. The Canadians just sent those terrorists in Kiev a few million dollars worth of armored vests, sleeping bags, etc. Some European nations were duped by this false flag event just in impose sanctions against Russia. I wonder how they are going to feel about that when and if they find out the TRUTH- that the neo Nazi fuckers in Kiev did this and they did it on purpose.

      Russia has started imposing counter sanctions and should they give that gas supply a clockwise twist (and I hope the fuck they do), then we shall see how eager millions of freezing Europeans will be to be NATO dupes and support US foreign policy.

      • BackRowHeckler August 10, 2014 at 5:36 pm #

        The real action is in N Iraq, Mich.

        The world hasn’t seen anything like these ISIS chaps, I men in sheer ferocity, since Einsatzgruppen A, B, and C followed closely behind the German army rampaging thru Russia in the summer of 1941 killing anything they found alive.

        Is anybody still talking about the Religion of Peace?


        • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 7:34 pm #

          ISIS SMISIS…like the Israelis and the Palestinians, these maniacs will be fighting and killing each other until the 6th stage of collapse is reached, extinction. This is nothing new, and nothing can be done to stop it. The best thing to do is stay out of it. When oil is gone forever, we will not likely even hear about any of these places, so fuck em, I say

          I am more livid when I see youtube videos “the victims of Lugansk” and see dead and dying innocent civilians with their legs blown off, then I see Obama, Kerry, and Hitlery Clinton blame Russia for all those people that were murdered by these mercenaries, racists, and terrorists in Kiev on that plane. The verdict is in, it is something we all knew deep down inside, Russia had nothing to do with it. We cannot let the neocons off the hook on this one. http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925

      • MisterDarling August 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm #

        “that the neo Nazi fuckers in Kiev did this and they did it on purpose.”-MI Native.

        Means, Motive and Opportunity.

        The regime occupying Kiev have demonstrated time and time, again that they are willing to say or do *anything* to get their feet under the table.

        • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

          And now the black boxes are in the hands of BRITISH aviation investigators? I am sure we can count on the limeys, who are nothing but bitch boys for US foreign policy, to be objective and tell us the truth. Nothing less than the future of the world may be at stake here http://rt.com/news/177000-mh17-site-ukraine-experts/

          • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 9:38 pm #

            That was an older story. They don’t need the black boxes anyways, look at the entrance and exit holes from 30mm machine gun fire. Still, the UK remains subservient, useful idiots to Uncle Sam and his treachery. It’s time for them to grow a pair of balls and stand up to assholes like Blair and Cameron and that parasitic “royal family”. That jet was taken down by these animals from Kiev, and those people sacrificed to dupe reluctant Europeans to join the US with sanctions. Look at how quick the walking, talking rectums like Obama and Kerry were to blame Russia via the “insurgents”. That rush to judgment made it look premeditated to me. And now the suppression of the truth…how long can the media whores and presstitutes here remain silent?

    • WW August 11, 2014 at 7:26 am #

      Nice thought but most of AAMs have warheads, most fragmentation, that weigh in at 7 to 9 kg. Most target the engines because on bomber size aircraft such a small warhead will not be an effective kill unless it gets lucky. The BUK on the otherhand is a 70kg fragmentation warhead which will shred even a B52, the job it was designed for. The fuselage shows heavy frag damage spread over a large area……….

  119. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2014 at 6:10 pm #

    Kiev Junta is planning chemical genocide in Ukraine, Russia and Belorussia: Chemical plant “Stirol” under fire from heavy multiple rocket launchers


    Possible radius of chemical contamination is estimated at 300 kilometers (187 miles)

  120. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2014 at 6:16 pm #

    Pentagon General Key Randy Allen actually commanded all the troops of the Kiev junta


    “According to reports, militia Novorossia destroyed several U.S. “military advisers” and wounded General Key Randy Allen , who actually commanded all the troops of the Kiev junta.”

    • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 7:38 pm #

      War criminals, all of them. Obama and his entire cabinet should resign now over this debacle they instigated in the Ukraine. Whoever advised him should be in prison

      • Glitch Mobiliou August 10, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

        “Whoever advised him should be in prison…” ~ michigan_native

        The prison is a manifestation of the very system that is creating the ‘need’ for prisons. IOW, a racket. And fundamentally unethical.

        • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 9:41 pm #

          So go give the people that are responsible for the murder of innocent people a big kiss, and bend over and let them sodomize you. Not me. Fuck that

          • Glitch Mobiliou August 11, 2014 at 6:48 pm #

            “So go give the people that are responsible for the murder of innocent people a big kiss, and bend over and let them sodomize you.” ~ michigan_native

            That seems pretty much what’s already happening.

            Maybe that’s in part because all too many do is write wishful thinking about what should happen (as if that’s going to make it so). Anyone you know?

            “Fuck that” ~ michigan_native

            Fuck the system… or, as some might say, ‘put up and shut up’.

            “Host: ‘What state does function according to what you call the minimal levels of honesty? Is there a state?’
            Noam Chomsky: ‘None. States are power-centers. The only thing that imposes constraints on them is either outside force or their own populations.’
            Host: ‘What will the state look like at the end?’
            Chomsky: ‘At the end I think states ought to dissolve, because I think they’re illegitimate structures…” ~ CBC’s show, ‘Hot Type’, as seen on You Tube

  121. FincaInTheMountains August 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

    To solve Ukrainian crisis Americans will have to lower their consumption habits, probably at least 3 – 4 times.
    It will be really difficult to do so without major civil unrest.

    Unfortunately, the rest of the world being in deep Depression, can no longer afford US consumption levels, and US demands more and more.

    Russian Federation is leading the rebellion so it is primary target of US punitive expedition in Ukraine.

    Its too bad for US that Russia managed to keep and improve significantly nuclear arsenal it inherited from Soviet Union – so US has to fight using unpredictable and not very manageable proxy forces.

    The rest of the pack is watching closely: who goes down first with bloody paw to finish off the looser.

    • michigan_native August 10, 2014 at 9:55 pm #

      “Its too bad for US that Russia managed to keep and improve significantly nuclear arsenal it inherited from Soviet Union”

      Or conversely, too good for the rest of the world that the sole country that used nuclear weapons on other people (when they didn’t have to) is kept in check and not allowed to “spread democracy” at their with no regard for international law, UN treaties, human rights, etc etc will around the world

      Last time I checked, the Russian Federation wasn’t killing people in Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc with drone strikes, “liberation” and “humanitarian” missions. They have used something unheard of in the US over the last decades……diplomacy.

      Putin stopped them in Syria, Iran, and as one of the two major powers of the BRICS nations (along with China, whom we cannot scape goat because they have our nuts in a vice), are thumbing their nose at the soon to be former status quo

      Supposedly, the Rothschilds have been kicked out of Russia, the BRICS nations have set up their own central bank and credit rating agency, they are buying up gold as the fed has manipulated the price downwards in a vain and futile attempt to save the petrodollar, and they are dumping the US petrodollar out of their bilateral trade. They are picking up allies along the way. The US, which spent itself out of existence, is on the brink of collapse. So time to start a war and create scape goats. Russia was the perfect choice

      The true desperate acts of a dying empire in its death throes, the soon to be former USA.

  122. Frankiti August 11, 2014 at 9:12 pm #

    I believe it was Noam Chomsky who encouraged people to look at tyrannical regimes through the prism of evolution. As he explained, these most virulent strains of despotism are a direct result, or a product-a mutation-from a failed weaker predecessor. Now, many people have their opinions of Chomsky, and I do not particularly agree on many of his opinions vis-à-vis Israel, but he is an exceedingly intelligent man with a very intimate understanding of the region and he is more than entitled to his opinions, and this one in particular begs closer scrutiny. ISL, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda are direct results of the marginalization and failure of its less extreme (less robust) counterparts and predecessors. If the perceived misery and alienation of people within the spheres of these groups are not ameliorated or addressed, then more aggressive strains will continually be sired forth. As stated above, many similar peoples in this region are only controlled/placated by the fragile arrangements provided by oil wealth. In other words, their reluctant acceptance of corrupt and heavy-handed rulers is kept in check by the power derived from this oil wealth… for now. Then there is the curious case with Russia. Russia, up until now, expressed its dislike and disgust with the west’s steady intrusion into the void left within the former satellites of the old USSR, in a passive-aggressive form (countering votes in the UN, calls for a new global currency, treaties with Syria, etc). Any rational person aware of the dynamics of the region could perceive this. Yet, the west ignores this. How long before Russia mutates into an even more aggressive adversary. Russia’s weak Weimarian “democratic” republic won’t be Putin’s only casualty.
    And we Americans are not immune. The Tea Party is a direct result of an ineffectual GOP that is unable to grasp that a large majority of its voters are not 1% capitalist elites, or are sharing McCain’s Pavlovian reaction to bomb every county that the US does not see eye-to-eye with, but rather simple people with traditional mores at best and philistines with extremist views at the worst. If the Republican party fails to right its ship, we may expect more extreme tilts to starboard. Its evolution on a memetic scale.


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