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Aftershocks

     If the FBI can track down two homicidal Chechen nobodies inside of forty-eight hours of their Boston bombing caper, you kind of wonder how come the Bureau can’t detect the odor of racketeering, insider trading, and wire fraud in this month’s orchestrated smackdown of the gold futures markets, including the parts played by the Federal reserve, one or more too-big-to-fail banks, self-interested big money players such as George Soros, slumbering regulators at the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, and tractable editors at The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times
     Of course, US Attorney General Eric Holder, who oversees the FBI, has done a fair imitation of a Brooks Brothers store window mannequin for four years, but surely somewhere in the trackless labyrinth of American law enforcement there exists some dogged rogue investigator with a filament of nagging curiosity who might piece together the clunky train of events that may amount to the financial crime of the century. For instance, it can’t be so difficult to determine who was behind the several hundred ton mass dump of paper gold contracts a week or so ago. There must be a pretty simple record of the transaction, retrievable with a warrant or a subpoena. Whatever entity did it — still ostensibly unknown — knowingly generated losses in the neighborhood of a billion dollars for itself. Was this just the cost of doing business? Or a favor owed, say, from a bank to its godfathers at the Fed, carried out to make the dollar look relatively a lot less unsound than it really is? Or a ruse to allow the custodians of bullion in US depositories re-acquire at bargain prices gold that has been stealthily hypothicated into oblivion? Or just to divert attention from their inability to make good on contracted deliveries of actual physical gold.
     No official has yet answered why the Federal Reserve Bank of New York told the German government a couple of months ago that it would take seven years to return that country’s gold held in safekeeping (across the ocean from the Russians) since the Cold War. The NY Fed must have a vessel under contract that makes the proverbial slow boat to China look like an ICBM.
      Doesn’t anybody want some answers to these questions, including how come the two aforementioned major newspapers published front-page stories calculated to justify, if not provoke, the most extreme negative sentiment in the precious metals markets, seemingly coordinated with Goldman Sachs advisories to short those markets? And what about a glance at the trading records to see who executed massive naked shorts? Wouldn’t it be interesting if they were the same parties as the dumpers? And why? — other than a strenuous intervention in the markets to make those markets look unreliable? Does anyone even remember that the purpose of financial exchanges is to verify and authenticate the clearing of trades to provide confidence that markets are honest so that real business can be conducted?
     What the interveners have accomplished is only to prove that the gold and silver derivatives markets are unreliable. They may have smashed the trade in that kind of paper, but only achieved a firmer divergence between the derivatives markets and the bullion markets where, for example, the premiums on delivery of silver ounces makes the price exactly equal to the pre-smackdown price. Anyway, nobody believes that the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) or that the New York Commodity Exchange (COMEX) can deliver. Meanwhile, runs on bullion contracts were starting to uncover a contagion of swindling in precious metals obligations that pervaded the western banking system. It was not a coincidence that the smackdown happened three weeks after the Dutch bank ABN Amro notified clients that it would only satisfy demands for redemptions of gold held in its custody with equivalent cash payments. “No gold for you today!” A fair inference based on subsequent events would be that all the custodians of physical gold bullion have misreported their holdings. And now that actions by the European Union and its agents have ventured into the dangerous territory of plain confiscation, there is not a whole lot of faith throughout the western world by people who are paying attention that an account of any kind in any financial institution is safe. There is good reason to fear runs on everything.
     Because the smackdown organizers pulled off their operation in a panic, they probably ignored the potential further negative consequences of their stratagem, namely a worsening loss of confidence in banks generally and in the trade of abstract financial instruments in particular, including currencies. Nervous public officials may be brooding on imminent “bail-ins” and currency controls, but the public may be ready to bail out of the prevailing banking model into things that have been considered more money than “money” for a few thousand years, namely real gold and silver. The basic fact remains: there isn’t enough to go around.
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. katnip kid April 22, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    First?

  2. Hammering Truth April 22, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    If the FBI had been following at least one of the suspects for years and had been warned by at least one foreign government, why did it take so long to find these two terrorists? Why didn’t they recognize them immediately. Looks suspicious to me: http://youtu.be/qIwK-PPc8Lc

  3. mow April 22, 2013 at 9:12 am #

    that mattress looks better and better

  4. Fissile April 22, 2013 at 9:14 am #

    Jim sounds like someone who took a bath on a gold investment. I’ve been saying for years that the prepper obsession with gold was a sucker’s game.

  5. katnip kid April 22, 2013 at 9:14 am #

    I still worry as to what are the options for folks who have little or nothing and are in a position where they are unable to aquire anything such as land, gold, silver and so on.

  6. hillwalker April 22, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    In short,
    No one gives a crap,
    No one in the sense of us regular folks who
    work for whatever money we might need to pay
    what it takes to be allowed to live outside
    of the prison system.
    We don’t care what happened to the gold, or any of that stratospheric monetary silliness.

  7. noel bodie April 22, 2013 at 9:21 am #

    On another front, Rick Perry, the “boob of Austin” recently asked for federal disaster aid for the fertilizer plant explosion which had thousands of more pounds of goods than would be legal under any kind of regulatory oversight. At the same time the above named boob is running radio ads trying to poach jobs from Illinois with a low tax and “open for business” ad campaign. I say “git yer hands outta my pocket and go fuck yerself.”

  8. Neon Vincent April 22, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    May I be the first to wish you and your readers a Happy Earth Day!
    The answer to the question you posed is probably because they think that’s the SEC’s job. If you want to see a toothless tiger, that’s your agency. After years of tips, they still didn’t catch Bernie Madoff. The FBI did, because he has passed over into the realm of fraud. On the other hand, the SEC did catch Martha Stewart. In retrospect, she was such a small player. It also made her sympathetic.
    I still haven’t gotten around to blogging about latest round of market activity, even though I’ve saved up a bunch of links about stocks, Bitcoin, gold, and other commodities. Instead, I’ve been following the events in Boston and West, Texas, along with the deluded Elvis impersonator sending ricin-tainted letters to the President and other elected officials by posting about the science behind the events. I also posted two musical responses to the bombing that are now on page two.
    I’ve also been compiling environmental news for Earth Day ranging from local events to how NASA is marking the occasion. Finally, I’ve been chronicling the latest bumps on the gas price roller coaster and my efforts to keep my driving down. Because of my health and the weather, I haven’t been that successful.
    Finally, Crazy Eddie’s Motie News is not going completely dark to protest CISPA, but I did program Muse’s “Blackout” for later today in support.
    Happy Motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  9. tpverde April 22, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    You wrote:
    “but the public may be ready to bail out of the prevailing banking model into things that have been considered more money than “money” for a few thousand years”
    How ’bout land, water and a year round growing season ? Talk about a diversified portfolio with an upside to the future the way things are headed. So glad I headed south before reality did. No bombers, no tar sands pipelines and lots of open space.
    pueblo verde.org

  10. chomskyite April 22, 2013 at 9:24 am #

    I’m glad to see that even those with conspiracy allergies are showing the world the mess that is left of markets. Heck, I guess pre-internet it was rigged too, but now we can all see what a sham it is. That is the beauty of the net really, all the walls have come down and anyone can see behind the curtain. However most don’t want to peek lest they be frightened beyond repair of what our world really revolves around. Can’t blame them too much for who hasn’t ever lived in denial of something in their lives. Well folks, enjoy this decade while you can, for things may get really harsh towards the late teens. If not it’s all cake.

  11. Moondog April 22, 2013 at 9:26 am #

    Why should we believe that international financial fraud will collapse the system anytime soon? The juggernaut lumbers on, and will continue to as long as the collective belief wishes it to be so. I see no signs of imminent economic doom, but the hard reality cannot be staved off much longer. Austerity would seem to be the only prudent course, but the pitfalls there pose no less a threat than continuing on the reckless path of spending too much and taxing too little. The absence of the rule of law in prosecuting the criminals who got us here (and whose shenanigans continue unabated) is of greatest concern.

  12. Carol Newquist April 22, 2013 at 9:27 am #

    I can’t be sure, but I think the lesson of this post is that nothing is safe, not even those precious metals. Yet, I’ll be damned if there won’t be a myriad of posts from the “preppers” heralding the virtues of the not-enough-to-go-around precious metals. They want people to buy something that doesn’t exist and could never be delivered. What is your gold worth aside from the dollars its value is always denominated in? A sack of flour for a gold bar? That may be the case, eventually, and when and if it is, your gold, if you have any physical amount of it, won’t buy you very much. The value was always, and will always be in the sustenance. Anything above and beyond that is a game of perception manipulation perpetrated by gamers against a slew of suckers.

  13. bobby j April 22, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    A realistic way of assessing a fiat currency would be it’s relationship to energy reserves. A common factor in production and distribution is extraneous energy.

  14. Lara's Dad April 22, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    Mr K, you’re letting your invective get the better of your grammar, to wit “plaid” — wtf. And what exactly does this “There is good reason to fear runs on everything.” mean ?

  15. Zev Paiss April 22, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    I am not a conspiracy kind of guy. But something abut this entire Boston event feels very strange. When was the last time an entire American city was locked down to track down a 19 year old with a controlling older brother? NEVER. For all intents this was a city under Martial Law. Hopefully more details will come out over time but with one suspect killed in the dead of night and the second hidden away in a hospital in critical condition we ay never learn more from the “suspects.”
    Check out my new introductory video at my site From Here to There: A Story About America’s Future. It is an inspiritng novel that shows a realistic version of how our future can be better.
    http://www.fromhere-tothere.org.

  16. empirestatebuilding April 22, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    I got in GLD at $60, I got out 2 weeks ago at $150. I thought about buying physical several years ago, but the vig was prohibitive.
    I bought a nice guitar with my winnings.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  17. MisterbadExample April 22, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    It’s getting depressing out here–the wild-eyed conspiracy theorists like Beck and Alex Jones are suddenly sounding not-so-crazy, especially with all the chicanery involved in the pictures of federal agents involved in ‘test drills’ in Boston. But the Boston story certainly helped push everything else off the front page. And sadly, the crazies have muddied the water for real journalists to do any follow-up on the gaming of the precious metal markets. Maybe one American in 20 knows that we didn’t give Germany’s gold back–that should’ve been front page news in any number of places. And the whole paper for precious metal scam has been waiting to blow for at least four years.
    Jim, I’m a longtime fan and true believer. But I can’t even get otherwise smart people to admit that there’s a limit to the oil and natural gas we can pull out of this tired planet. I don’t want to be Cassandra here, powerless to do anything but say ‘I told you so’ when the events unfold. What’s plan B for warning the masses?

  18. endofworld April 22, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    you will care what happens in the metals market very soon–the only cause of war is a collaspe in the currenecy markets–when things get really ugly its only because paper (printed money)wont buy much–ignorant folks will always say “you cant eat gold”-True, but you can always convert it to something that will buy your food..not understanding what is going on behind the “magic” curtain is a fatal mistake…

  19. caseyf5 April 22, 2013 at 9:38 am #

    Hello JHK,
    Don’t you mean the “Ballsey Street Walkers Diarrhea” and the “New York Crime”? The alleged things that they publish/punish on newsprint is not fit to be at the bottom of a birdcage.
    Yours,
    KCF

  20. Bukko Canukko April 22, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    The odour isn’t noticeable if your bosses’ nose is affected by the scent of the money he will get when he leaves office and sells out to Wall Street. Same for Eric Holder as it was for everyone in the Bush Crime Family. Obama is Bush in blackface.

  21. Carol Newquist April 22, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    I agree, Zev. Check this video out from that siege. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who didn’t answer their door quickly enough. I have to say, if this happened to me, I may have been dead by now, because I’m not sure how well I would have cooperated. If these thugs live in your neighborhood, meaning the big, tough paramilitary boys in this video with all their gear and guns, it is imperative that you and your neighbors do what was done in the days of old and ostracize these sons of a bitches. They are cowards in every sense of that word. Disgusting, despicable cowards who pick on people they know can’t and won’t fight back. They shouldn’t be cheered, they should be jeered. You shouldn’t want their “protection.” People need to step up and say in unison, “we don’t want your protection, we can take care of ourselves, thank you very much. Get the fuck out of our neighborhood and go capture some bankers and their lackey politicians if you have any balls whatsoever.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Op3TMliqBmA

  22. SqueekyFromm April 22, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    What a coincidence! I wrote a poem about Gold Bugs last night over at Zerohedge. I hope you guys enjoy it!
    PWNED
    Maw!, Quick! Hock the trailer!
    And hock the pickup, too.
    Gold is 18 hundred,
    So, we’ll buy an ounce or two.
    And when it hits 10 thousand,
    Oh, how we’ll swell with pride!
    Sell it off, pay back the loan,
    And buy a double-wide!
    Paw, it’s Fred, the pawn shop guy.
    He’s says a payment’s due.
    Should we sell an ounce of gold,
    Or maybe even two???
    Nope, it’s 16 hundred now,
    We need to buy the dip.
    Hock the shotguns, and the dog,
    We’ll wait and sell the rip.
    Paw, it’s Fred, the pawn shop guy.
    Another payment’s due.
    Should we sell an ounce of gold,
    Or maybe even two???
    Nope, it’s 15 hundred now,
    A sure sign to invest!
    Let’s go get a paycheck loan,
    I think that’s what is best.
    Paw, it’s Fred, the pawn shop guy,
    And the loan girl, Betty Lou.
    Should we sell an ounce of gold
    Or maybe even two???
    Nope, it’s 14 hundred now,
    So let’s stick out our necks.
    We’ll gamble on the rally,
    With some insufficent checks.
    Paw, it’s Fred, the pawn shop guy,
    And Betty Lou’s on hold.
    They’re mad about the hot checks.
    Pretty pleeease, let’s sell the gold???
    Nope, it’s 13 hundred now,
    It’s got to take off soon.
    Nowhere left to go but up.
    A rally to the moon!
    Paw, it’s Fred, the pawn shop guy.
    Our trailer has been sold.
    Betty Lou has garnished us,
    You’ve got to dump the gold!
    Maw, the stuff is selling
    For 8 hundred bucks an ounce.
    I think we should hope and pray
    We get a dead-cat bounce.
    Paw, it’s getting serious.
    The Sheriff’s at the door.
    He says we have to clear out.
    Oh please sell it, I implore!
    Maw, I can not sell the gold.
    The price could not be worse.
    I thought I had the Midas touch.
    I did. . . but in reverse.
    . . . .
    Paw, this cardboard box, it leaks.
    The sidewalk’s awful cold.
    I’m about to starve to death,
    Too bad we can’t eat gold.
    Maw, I know just how you feel.
    My pillow is a log.
    I miss my shotgun, and my job.
    I really miss my dog.
    I miss my trailer, and my truck.
    I can not be consoled.
    All I have to keep me warm,
    Is a stupid chunk of gold.
    Time for me to dump the gold.
    And I’ve gotten a few tips.
    About an opportunity
    Investing in TU-LIPS.
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

  23. pequiste April 22, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Jim firstly poses that the technotronic panoptic police/security apparatus did a fair job in getting to the two, Chechen originated, Boston Marathon bombers within 48 hours. Permit me to suggest a different optique: two junior jihadis effectively put under lock-down a major American metropolis for several days. Can you imagine what a trained cadre, say platoon strength, of highly trained, experienced and ideologically/theologically stalwart enemies-of-America could do? I shudder just thinking of it.
    No such actions would ever be permitted against the Wall Street – International Banker Axis because “it” is THEIR program. “It” being the construction, operation, and maintenance of ( and I apologize for not providing the attribution to this wonderfully descriptive nomenclature) “Gulag Casino” America.
    Pay only dissociated attention to the shennanigans of the Money Power$. Direct control of ones own specie will help one sleep at night.

  24. Bukko Canukko April 22, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    As for the shortage of physical gold, I decided to get a bit more last week. I wanted something different than Maple Leafs. I have enough of those — they bore me. But both of the biggest coin dealers in Vancouver were out of one-ounce bars. That has never happened. The larger of the two had a sign on its door (April 17) saying there would be no more ounce bars or 1 oz. Maple Leafs until April 24. The slightly smaller one only had “scratch and dent” Leafs that were .9999 pure, or some of the older .999 ones from the mid-80s. I’m not saying what I got, if anything, but the shortage was unusual. It’s what happens when you set artificial price controls, whether it’s Josef Stalin declaring that wheat shall sell for 5 kopecks a bushel or Jamie Dimon declaring that gold will sell for $1,350 an ounce. The real stuff disappears from the markets when the artificial price makes potential sellers want to gag.

  25. Carol Newquist April 22, 2013 at 9:49 am #

    True to form, here they come.

  26. sevenmmm April 22, 2013 at 9:50 am #

    Nice call on the $1350 bottom.
    No, not many people really care, and that is why these “Goldsmiths” can get away with criminal behavior time and time again. At least until they are hanging from lamp posts.

  27. PatrickH April 22, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    I am surprised there has been no mention of late here regarding the biggest swindle in the history of man – the real estate/mortgage swindle.
    From originators selling their toxic MBS to pension funds, Fannie & Freddie, the servicers using forged documents to steal the homes of Americans (some who never missed a payment or were in default), the Fed buying billions of MBS crap each month in an attempt to hide the fraud, etc.
    No mention here of the Independent Foreclosure Review (IFR) where banks were able to handpick their auditors – who billed the banks on average 20K per loan file to review. Then the reviews are shut down and those harmed are mailed checks that averaged $300. And then those checks initially were bouncing due to insufficient funds in the paying agent’s account.
    And now word that Lorraine Brown, the manager at LPS/DOCX who spawned Linda Green will be getting a slap on the wrist at sentencing tomorrow. Maybe even jail time.
    Let’s face it – there is no rule of law in the USA when it comes to these financial terrorists.

  28. adequatio. April 22, 2013 at 9:55 am #

    CFN doomers ignore whatever tends to disprove the theory of oil supremacy.
    Thanks to new technologies and discoveries, North America is now awash in cheap natural gas. The fuel has already replaced oil as a petrochemical feedstock, home heating fuel and in electricity generation.
    Could it do the same for transportation, the primary reason oil remains dominant today? There are significant obstacles, but they’re not insurmountable.
    In Iran, for example, almost a quarter of vehicles run on natural gas. Pakistan is moving in the same direction. I ride frequently in taxis and buses powered by LNG in South America. Many CFN doomers simply want to ignore the implication: Natural gas is a potential substitute for oil in the transportation sector.
    Many of you will remember when, in mid-2008, crude oil futures climbed above $147 a barrel. There was great crying and gnashing of teeth on CFN that oil would soon hit $200 and society would collapse. The long-awaited SHTF would finally be here. I called bullshit. I was then criticized as a “cornucopian” out of touch with reality. Crunch time was here! The end was near! I called bullshit again. Rinse and repeat endlessly.
    So, now it’s over four years later. Today New York’s main contract for light sweet crude for delivery in June is $88.11 a barrel.
    So not only did you CFN doomers get it wrong about oil going up to $200 a barrel. You got the direction wrong. Oil prices went down, not up.
    I am claiming bragging rights here on CFN. You cannot even say “but the trend is up” because you got the trend line completely wrong. It went down.
    I control the debate here since I am able to present many different points of view to facilitate substantial discussion.

  29. Nastarana April 22, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    Alot does not feel right.
    I don’t like conspiracy theories either. I believe that human life is far more various, messy, complex and complicated than the theorists understand. I think searchers for conspiracy err by trying to simplify complicated events.
    But, in Boston, there is too much not being explained, starting with who was paying for the weapons, travel, school tuition, etc. which allowed two recent immigrants to live lives of relative comfort? Even pressure cookers can’t be had for less than about $50. and they are virtually unobtainable second hand. Why no exit strategy? I felt sure that the perps would be barbered and on a plane out of the country the very next day.
    You can expect howls of outrage, to which I have already been subjected on other fora, from the multiculticural PC crowd if you dare to ask simple questions like how are people getting in and out of our country and who is paying their bills? I can’t travel abroad without passport and some kind of record being kept somewhere.

  30. lsjogren April 22, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    “We don’t care what happened to the gold, or any of that stratospheric monetary silliness.”
    The manipulation of the global financial system may seem abstract to those of us not part of that system, but I guarantee the acts of these swindlers eventually trickles down into adverse impact on the ordinary citizen.

  31. travelwell April 22, 2013 at 10:03 am #

    Unintended Consequences
    The unintended consequences of the orchestrated smack down in the paper gold market are going to be profound. Obviously, one objective of those who were complicit in the sale of 500 tons of paper gold on the market (naked shorts)in a brief time period were hoping to discredit gold as a reliable store of value as well as a real currency. As you state in today’s article the result has been the further erosion in the public’s confidence in paper money and dysfunctional governments around the world. The roughly 200 dollars per ounce smack down in paper gold prices created a worldwide stampede toward physical goal. The reduction in price was considered a welcome discount by hordes of people in China, India, Russia , Canada, Australia, the US, and pretty much everywhere. The surge in demand for physical goal is surely an unintended consequence for the illegal activities of those manipulating the paper gold market. Could it be that the bullion banks and central banks of the Western world are missing vast amounts of gold that they are supposed to be holding in safety for their clients? If so they are now desperate with their efforts to reduce demand for gold. As a huge surge in demand for physical gold works its way into the market and smart gold investors everywhere want to take possession of their own gold a deep dark secret of bullion and central banks will likely be revealed. The gold can’t be delivered because it isn’t there. Who has the gold? The price of gold will explode to ridiculous prices as the search for tons of the missing precious metal gets underway.

  32. Barter4Booze April 22, 2013 at 10:04 am #

    Not sure why, Jim, but reading your column today triggered the soundtrack in the magic theatre of my brain — which is better than anything on TV 9 out of 15 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGoY4N_Fc4
    I guess “Too too Big to Fail” applies not only to the Megazoid-Zombie banks, but also to the moneyed criminals who have played us monkeys so well. They’re just ‘Too big to Fall’.
    Or perhaps not. Now, my brain’s DJ has replaced Knopfler with the Stopwatch from the tried and tired ‘news’ program 60 Minutes . . . “Tick,tick,tick,tick,tick. . . . ”
    I see. It’s just a matter to time . . . .

  33. lsjogren April 22, 2013 at 10:06 am #

    adequatio
    Peak Oil advocates are ill advised when they get too specific on the timetable of the decline of the fossil fuel era.
    It is indeed true that there are new fossil fuel resources in the US. As I have repeatedly commented, this means a stay of execution for happy motoring for perhaps 2-3 decades.
    The overall phenomenon of peak oil marches on, however. We find some new techniques to squeeze a bit more oil and gas out of the ground. These are invariably more expensive processes, however. The low hanging fruit has been picked, but we have some new high-tech ladders to pick a little more of the high hanging fruit.
    Ultimately, the tree will be stripped bare and we will face the end of the fossil fuel era.

  34. wardoc April 22, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    2008; the MF Global collapse; the Cyprus confiscation; the announcement by FDIC and Bank of England (yes, the awake ask, “What’s the BOE doing in our business?); and now the obvious and ham handed attempt at manipulation of the paper gold market.
    Anyone who is stupid enough to still believe that paper is wealth, whether its ETFs, funds, stocks, CDs or simple bank accounts, deserves what they are about to get. If you don’t have it in your possession, you don’t really own it. If you can’t touch it, it’s NOT REAL. What an insight !!! 🙂

  35. endofworld April 22, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    i dont care at all what the popular medium of exchange is-i just go with it-made my money in the oil and gas business-just makes sense to convert to different forms of value-have some concern if things get tough what the masses will do-lived in LA during the Watts riots and saw all the shot up cop cars-it was ugly and believe we may see those days soon-nobody knows the exact timing of anything but i value insurance…

  36. adequatio. April 22, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    What I object to is the use of the Black Swan metaphor on CFN to always indicate something negative.
    A Black Swan is nothing more than an “outlier” or an exception that has the property of carrying a large impact. Of course, another one of its attributes lies in its character of surprise.
    But the “large impact” does not always translate to something negative. For example, in the arts, it can correspond to a piece of work that, unexpectedly, captivates interests, spreads like wildfire, and dwarfs other contributions.
    Illustrative examples are provided with Mel Gibson’s movie The Passion, Eco’s The Name of the Rose, Tolstoy’s War and Peace, The Harry Potter series, or even the wild success of The Beatles.
    What all of these pieces have in common is that they were not necessarily expected to generate any meaningful interest at the time, thus satisfying the empirical criterion of “locally unexpected.”
    For instance, Proust’s A la recherche du temps perdu could not find a publisher.
    Nobody in Roman times expected the accumulated writings of a rebellious tribe to become a dominant book two millennia later –such prediction would have been deemed a lunacy.
    Nor did anyone in 19th Century France conceive that Japanese investors would obsess over what we call now impressionistic paintings, paying for them several thousand times what the average painting would command.
    But on CFN, the mention of Black Swan is always in the context of TSHTF due to some completely unanticipated event.
    If you were intellectually honest, you would acknowledge that there is an equally legitimate possibility that a Black Swan might be a wildly unexpected scientific discovery, for example, an inexpensive way to desalinate water, immediately solving the world’s water crisis. Just happens, out of the blue. You weren’t expecting it.
    No one on CFN expects such a positive Black Swan event to occur. On CFN everyone is inoculated against “magical thinking” … even when it comes in the form of scientific or technological advance that actually solves crucial problems for human survival on the planet.
    Sigh. Sadly, it won’t be long before the trolls show here at CFN.
    Allahu Akbar! (???? ????)
    Assalaamu alaikum!

  37. pedal pusher April 22, 2013 at 10:22 am #

    Of course there isn’t enough to go around – there never has been. This is why the Romans diluted their gold with common metals as their empire unraveled, and why Nixon took the U.S. off the gold standard. But then gold is an abstract medium of exchange. You can’t eat it or wear it or live in it. Of What use will it be in the collapse?
    As for the Chechnean duo, I believe that a lot of nationalistic and Islamist claptrap will be read into their misdeeds – people need reliable cultural narratives to make sense of such horrific events. But in the end I see more Leopold and Loeb here than anything else.

  38. shorty April 22, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    A “visible minority” useful idiot is worth ten white trash useful idiots. Example: wasn’t Holder the Special Investigator assigned to look into the Waco barbecue? He concluded they burned themselves alive, not his tanks and incendiary grenades. Other examples: lawn jockey O’Bomber and his drone wars, toy general Powell at the UN, Rice and her mushroom cloud…..VMs so no criticism allowed. Lenin would be amused…..

  39. philm April 22, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    Fissile,
    So, gold has moved from the high 200’s to a nominal high of 1900 or so and now pulled back to 1420 as of this morning. If you’ve been saying for years AU is a suckers game, you sure have left a lot on the table and are holding nothing but debased federal reserve notes. Good luck

  40. ront April 22, 2013 at 10:50 am #

    “Pay no attention to the m a n (maniacs, assholes, and nincompoops) behind the curtain.”
    A rather significant question rarely asked is whether anyone has figured out a way to be nourished by, wear, or create shelter with gold or silver?

  41. J Lee April 22, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    So the Russians knew about the boys living in Boston. The next question isn’t why the FBI didn’t do anything with the info (actually they did and didn’t find anything of value.) The next question should be – HOW did the Russians know anything? Did the KGB open a Boston office? Did they come in on H1b Visas? Walk across that unprotected northern land of ours called Canada and the Yukon? Were they hispanic-Russian wetbacks? Do tell.

  42. ComradeDystopia April 22, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    Happy Earth Day, CFNers!
    Later on I’ll be planting beets, to celebrate, so to speak.
    On the news this morning I heard there will be ‘absolutely no economic impact’ in Boston from the events of last week. Bombs going off, bullets flying everywhere, people killed, the city shut down, 10,000 police officers running around, major league baseball games cancelled … no impact whatsoever.
    Jim, those economic events you write about seem to be fading into the past. There won’t be any prosecutions; people want to forget about it. Also, there’s a new push on by the Obama Admin. to force banks to make the same risky loans to minorities and poor people that caused the collapse back in 08. Nothing has changed.
    –CD

  43. Belisarius April 22, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    I once thought the banksters would overstep what the public would put up with also. You said:
    “..the public may be ready to bail out of the prevailing banking model into things that have been considered more money than “money” for a few thousand years, namely real gold and silver.”
    I was ready to “bail out” years ago. You seem ready now. The majority of the public might have to “bail out” someday, but they will never be ready. Over half the USA public are dependent on government payments of some kind, and another quarter live fom paycheck to paycheck, if/when they can find work. Roughly three fourths of the public have no motive for interest in PMs.
    It likely will take a collapse of the current system and a popular rejection of the bankster replacement scheme to get “the public” on board. Until that time, trying to establish high profile gold and silver (or even barter) competition to the corrupt paper system is likely to draw negative consequences to the organizers as directed by the banksters. OTOH if you are lucky enough to have aware neighbors, and reason to trade with them beyond barter, then transitioning the monetary settlement to silver coin makes sense.

  44. adequatio. April 22, 2013 at 11:30 am #

    You said – “A rather significant question rarely asked is whether anyone has figured out a way to be nourished by, wear, or create shelter with gold or silver?”
    This restates the tired and stale old maxim that money can’t buy you happiness. But, on the other hand, money can buy you a boat big enough to sail right up next to it.

  45. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Need anyone say ‘DC Sniper’ [or was it snipers]?
    Mohamed and sidekick + car and a gun or 2.

  46. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    ‘If you’ve been saying for years AU’
    What is AU?

  47. stelmosfire April 22, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    I’m surprised they didn’t Drone bomb them into the afterlife and ask questions later!! I’m sure into was bantered around the situation desk.

  48. harrykrebs April 22, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    The ability for “fiat” currency to function is based upon faith alone.

  49. Brent Eamer April 22, 2013 at 11:53 am #

    I like to call it “Fractional Silver”. Up here in Canada, my local dealer is *out* of silver. Luckily I ordered a modest amount two weeks ago when it was hovering around 31. You are right about the premiums, $10 over spot in some cases

  50. Piper Michael April 22, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Good morning James,
    Wonderful expose of what we now term; Systemic Irrationality…
    Normalcy bias slowly turns into cognitive dissonance that finally morphs into Systemic Irrationality…
    The Red Queen is loose James. “Run Faster, faster!” on the Treadmill of Inflation, that morphs into the Treadmill of Immorality as the Players and the People run faster and faster just to maintain their place on the treadmill. Soon, they will do anything, screw anybody, lie and murder, to make a profit.
    You have seen this slowly happen since the 1970’s, when Nixon defaulted on our gold obligations under Bretton woods. Since then, the paper boys have played their games, and now the Game is become obvious madness and illusion. But only a few ‘get it’, the rest are caught by their own bias, fears and desires for ‘normalcy’, turning to mindless madness in their cognitive dissonance that is spreading throughout the “Don’t Get Its”, who will accept any lie to maintain their illusions. This is Systemic Irrationality is all its glory not witnessed on planet Earth since the fall of Rome.
    It is the shadow on the wall in our cave of illusions, a land of mysteries and lies as we stumble down the sides of the Olduvai gorge. Stumbling headlong into madness, as the darkness envelops us. Gold is not the canary in the mine, but the light in the well, the oil well. As petro dollars cannot convert treasuries into gold because gold become precious again, and hides.
    Prepare for madness on a grand scale, between old and young, black and white, rich and poor reaching its crescendo of irrational reasoning as Something wicked this way comes. If you get it, prepare for… anything, everything. Let Boston be a lesson to you, there is no place more irrational, than The Establishment itself.
    Will we see the question of the ages answered?
    Do bankers taste like chicken?

  51. Piper Michael April 22, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    Au on the periodic table of the elements, the symbol for Gold.
    Ag = silver.

  52. stelmosfire April 22, 2013 at 12:04 pm #

    Actually Frog legs taste like chicken, bankers taste like dog shit!

  53. Dirk April 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    Agree with you Moondog. Nobody dare rock the boat or speak ill of the banking system; hits too close to home. No one wants to believe that all those ‘prudent wise investments’ toward that comfy retirement arein fact worthless. Eveyone is hoping against hope that the ‘money’ will be there. I remember clearly the days just before 911 when Corning stock was selling at over $300 a share. Many were the employees bragging that they were millionaires and could not understand why I didn’t ‘invest.’ Then the stock crashed and it went as low as $1 a share at one point. Lot of white faced former millionaires walking around who lost it all, even though ‘it ‘ never really existed at all. I never lost a thing.

  54. adequatio April 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    ront, and everyone else:
    Someone is posting under my name as adequatio. (adequatio dot)
    It is not me. My handle does not have a dot after it. Furthermore they are plagiarizing posts from a third, now defunct poster (Asoka) under the plagiarized handle. This must be clusterfuck nation.
    FWIW, ront. I agree with you. If I had all the gold in the world (the amount of which is apparently dwindling), I would not buy a boat and try to sail up alongside happiness. Happiness costs nothing. Satchitananda is our birthright, our nature.

  55. adequatio April 22, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    AU is the periodic table of elements symbol for gold.
    Have a nice day, lucky 13.

  56. Piper Michael April 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm #

    Sir,
    Your arrogance is merely superseded by your ignorance.
    The Olduvai gorge is not a straight line descent… it is stair steps. James, and others, have explained the process and the problems of the new Fracking phenomena. It has been shown to be a temporary and extremely expensive process that can not outrun its own EROEI. Eventually, only rich people will be able to afford gas… that, is their goal, to keep what’s left for themselves and their progeny.
    Deal with it.

  57. Piper Michael April 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    Yes, you’re probably right.
    But in my experience, frog tastes like… frog, only a slight resemblance to chicken.
    Either way, I have no desire to find out, the question is rhetorical, intimating a fall to a pre civilized era.
    An era when we ‘pound our swords into plowshares’, because that’s all the metal we have and that is salvaged from the ruins…

  58. DeeJones April 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    SAy, perhaps Moldy & Scummy can take charge of the FBI investigation into all the fraud – NOT!
    Well, it looks like last week was a pretty good practice run for locking down a major US city. Went pretty well, the sheeple meekly cooperated, no major protest, or at least none reported. All & all, I’d say they could do it again in AnyCity USA without a peep from the sheep.
    So, any bets on when the next one happens, or in what city it will be played out in? With the US getting ready to finally take down IRAN, and N. Korea squawking like a parrot on acid, they probably can lock down the whole country pretty quickly.
    Wonder if the banksters finally had that old Constitution burning party they have always wanted to have. I hope they didn’t use Cuban cigars to light the old document up, but they probably did.
    Well, lets get Moldy & Scummy out of retirement and back on the job, the FBI needs them like right now!
    Say, did I mention I can get a nice pineapple and papaya her for about $.40 each? Enjoy your SPAM & ammo while they last. Hope the lock down doesn’t last too long. You might just run out of TP first, you DID remember to stash some TP, right…
    Dee 😉

  59. Fissile April 22, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    Gold is not money, yet a large segment of our society seems to be shocked when gold doesn’t behave like money. Gold is a commodity…a commodity that has been largely replaced in practical applications by advances in technology. Limited practical applications combined with a paranoid segment of our population that ascribes magical powers to gold means that the gold market is just asking to be manipulated by clever operators.

  60. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    Yes, an incredble defeat for the American People and the writing on the wall. Shut down a city for one guy with a gun? Who is more dangerous, the one guy or the six thousand guys dressed in black and taking people out of their homes at gun point? So much for the 4th Ammendment. And the kid was an American Citizen, unfortunately. But he’s been denied his rights. And if it can be done to him, it can be done to us.
    Ramz Paul makes a great point. “Lock Down” is a Prison term. That’s how they see us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5vbnDScdk&feature=player_embedded

  61. Poet April 22, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

    JHK sez:

    “…surely somewhere in the trackless labyrinth of American law enforcement there exists some dogged rogue investigator with a filament of nagging curiosity who might piece together the clunky train of events that may amount to the financial crime of the century.”

    **************

    “It is hard to get a man to understand when his job depends on his not understanding.”–Upton Sinclair

  62. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

    Horrifying footage of Americans being taken out of their home at gun point as if they were criminals.
    If this is the American response, then the Terrorist won.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8&feature=player_embedded

  63. azgog April 22, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    We already knew that the bank doesn’t have your money (“fractional reserves”), they just use it for their own purposes while paying you far less than the real inflation rate, hoping you will be happy with the illusion.
    Then we found out that the root global interest rate was being manipulated for the benefit of the Banks closest to the manipulators.
    Now we see the attack on gold as a viable currency to cover the weakness of fiat notes and all the derivative paper gold. The gold that cannot be delivered at any price.
    The Emperors have no clothes. They are untrustworthy riverboat gamblers who don’t have the gold they pretended to when they sold the nicely printed paper certificates to the suckers. And they don’t have your cash in their “savings accounts” either, so don’t all come asking for it at once.

  64. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    You must be absolutely thrilled after the infotainment of last week. USA, USA, USA, USA, Boston Strong, Boston Strong, Boston Strong…
    Fuck that Constitution shit. We got em! Even the Red Sox chimps got into the act and honored these goons.

  65. Carol Newquist April 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Hey sack-o-crap, I already posted that video upthread. Pay attention, you moron, and quit using up valuable server space with your redundant offerings, you racist piece of filth.

  66. ASPO Article 1037 April 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    DEBKA file tells us (April 20, 2013 4:39 PM) “The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap”…
    James 5 tells us all we need to know about Gold…
    Daniel 4:V-15 alerts USA era readers to maintain as much working railway mileage and local reach as possible as a hedge against Balkanization & complete destruction. The strategic explanation and rationale is expressed in the military moniker for Railway: “Second Dimension Surface Transport Logistics Platform”
    ————-
    Larger than homeland terror attacks (and they probably shall be VERY LARGE before Mohammedanism cannibalizes itself) are Middle East events military as suggested in Isaiah 17. Bible is a bore to most readers here, so let’s segue to some contemporary think tank commentary on M.E. feuds & factions.
    Any Middle East summation or war consequence paper is simply a compilation of threats and military capabilities of the several high testosterone nations packed around Israel. As General Anthony Clement “Nuts” McAuliffe would say: The poor bastards have Israel surrounded…
    Notably, think tank (see Anthony Cordesman et al) estimates of the thread of results of a serious attack against Israel line up pretty close to Isaiah 17: Syria’s queen city Damascus is no more. Egypt risks destruction of their jewel, the Aswan High Dam. But there is another card in this deck, and that is the reaction of America to any attack or series of attacks against the lower 48 causing great bloodshed and destruction.
    Roosevelt’s confinement of citizens of Japanese ancestry after Pearl is a faint mirror of what happens when America wakes up to a morning dark & dusty. America’s likely treatment of the Japanese without the internment is suggested in the film “Bad Day At Black Rock” with Spencer Tracy. This time we may suffer larger disaster at the hands of militant Islam and nations allied, and woe to Muslims if this be the case. Woe to all comers if America truly has rage in her face and blood in her eye. -Fair warning-
    Forgive the intemperate talk, but it is important to understand where we are perched right now. This writer concurs with Jim Kunstler on the crucial necessity to re-orient our transport/distribution methodology with all due haste. It is our lot to face Climate/Energy issues and, religious/militant extremism straight from MEIN KAMPF in our era. But it bears repeating to all: America is the wrong outfit to jump. Only if we turn our back on God shall we fail; see the “HARBINGER”!
    We proved empirically early in the twentieth century our ability to have a comfortable standard of living while living within our means regarding energy supply. Ubiquitous railway connectivity was a most crucial aspect of America’s status as a “Lending Not A Borrowing Nation”… FDR made a shortsighted pact with the House Of Saud for the oil rights in exchange for military protection. End of lending nation status came quickly after WWII.
    This generation can readily examine the hallmark American legacy railway systems making energy independence a possible goal. The Pacific Electric of Southern California is well described in several comprehensive books still in print. Because extraction, shipment and military security of & for oil is the most pervasive element hooking America into conflict, why not step back? The railway lines of 75 years ago can be seen in the “US Rail Map Atlas” volumes from spv.co.uk publishing website.
    Because water/energy/transport loom large in our strategic requisites equation, it is helpful to see ways & means of collecting these necessities into a “Systems” thought process. Several institutions are doing this; Christopher C. Swan’s book “ELECTRIC WATER” is several years old, but is a milestone effort to bring together disciplines needed to meet military as well as climate challenges. NAWAPA; “North American Water & Power Alliance” is a massive mid-twentieth century engineering approach to recharging aquifers and creation of a west coast assemblage of hydropower features. Delivery of NAWAPA water as far east as the Great Lakes offers help to polluted Lake Erie, and as far south as Mexico, to allay climate effects to agriculture in the Southwest.
    We are better off securing transport and food production than worshipping precious metals.

  67. rube-i-con April 22, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    Jim sounds like someone who took a bath on a gold investment. I’ve been saying for years that the prepper obsession with gold was a sucker’s game.
    wow, pretty smart guy you are, huh? been saying gold’s not ‘all that’ for years? you mean since it was at $300 in 2003, then $400 in 2005, then $600 in 2006, then $800 in 2008, then $1200 in ’09 and 2010, then $1600 to over $1800 in 2011 and 2012?
    good call, where do i sign up for your newsletter?
    peace peaceniks

  68. ctemple April 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    A couple of days ago, after Ahkmet was captured, the Bostonians, after having lived through a terror attack and imposition of marital law went out and began chanting USA, USA and waving flags. I just don’t see that, but maybe it’s me.
    Thanks to the miracles of modern stupidity, anyone who has been shot is automatically an expert on gun control, for example: Brave Little Kirstie, the former Congresswoman from Tucson who shows up to lay a guilt trip on anybody who wants to own a gun in the middle of a police state.
    In the wake of Boston I can hear the liberals now, “We have to doo something to protect the children!”
    Gee whiz, I thought planting a bomb was already against the law.

  69. Cavepainter April 22, 2013 at 1:21 pm #

    Having been de-industrialized America’s economy is dependent on real estate and housing starts. That’s why the push for higher immigration ceilings; to artificially keep jacked up the value of sub code properties which otherwise wouldn’t be in demand so would be (appropriately) condemned. Of course, one of the other important reason for high immigration ceilings is for furthering “diversity” which (so celebrated) dilutes the cultural cohesiveness necessary for mounting broadly backed public revold.
    Oh, but not to be overlooked is how these floods of Third World workforce also increases the economic desperation which distracts from other than paycheck to paycheck survival. Crowded into cities, fully dependent and all with diverse allegiance — all manageable.

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  71. 135746 April 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    I am guessing that people like Nassim Taleb have done well with the black swan convulsions in the gold market.

  72. shorty April 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    JS,
    The cartoon prez , the Shrub, is reported to have referred to the constitution as a “goddamn peace of paper”. His beaner shyster useful idiot, Gonzalez, is reported to have referred to the bill of rights as “quaint”. The present chief chimp, O’Bomber, is supposedly a “constitutional lawyer”……but you got rights…to shop at Walmart.

  73. rube-i-con April 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    The value was always, and will always be in the sustenance. Anything above and beyond that is a game of perception manipulation perpetrated by gamers against a slew of suckers.
    flat out wrong. gold and the stock market have both gone up lots in recent years, and you can obtain dollars when redeeming both to buy lots of stuff.
    so they’ve both been very useful and made lots of folks a lot of money. it’s that simple.
    don’t know why folks think because you can’t fry gold on a pan and eat it it must be useless. what are you going to do with your enron stock certificates, or any other bankrupt stock holding you might have?
    peace peaceniks

  74. shorty April 22, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

    “Peace” above a Shrub spelling..just a joke for you folks with a govt school education…….

  75. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Yeah, fuck all that Adlai Stevenson Egghead Crap, you like Ike! And if Ike likes Blacks, that’s good enough for you. Ike Like Ike Like Ike Like, Like Ike,….
    Like I said Laroc, I don’t bother reading you. Why would I?

  76. cunning runt April 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Continuing along the same line of reasoning…
    Do $100 bills taste better than $10 bills?
    I try to live by the golden rule; he who has the gold rules!
    CR

  77. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    Yes both Parties are the Enemy, both the same high up since both are funded by the same people. Neo-Conservatism = Neo-Liberalism and Neo-Liberalism = Neo-Conservatism.
    Or as the old Czeck saying puts it, Under Capitalism Man oppresses Man. Under Communism it’s the other way around.

  78. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    The Allies stole all over German’s Gold so they created an flourishing Economy without it. After all a Goverment has the right to create its own currency and if other countries don’t want to honor it, that’s their business. Germany bartered with other Nations – cutting the International Bankers out altogther. And they threw them out. Needless to say, Germany had to be crushed before other Nations caught on and did the same thing.
    Neither Capitalism nor Communism but the Third Way between and above both. Let us not crucify Man on a cross of Gold nor crush him under the rock of Communism.

  79. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    Our Master speaks:
    http://americanrhetoric.com/speeches/williamjenningsbryan1896dnc.htm

  80. cunning runt April 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    The gold smackdown of 4/12-15 has achieved its purpose: it averted the stampede into gold – for the time being. But humans are not cattle which stampede due to a sudden fright – say, a startling gunshot – which quickly passes. The fright of humanity is caused by the immense financial fiasco involving the whole world’s finances and economies, and it is not a passing fright; it remains in place because the frightful conditions have not disappeared, but are increasing day by day.
    American investors were fairly easy marks for the 4-12 PSYOPS. Most Americans have not really grasped the importance of possession of gold; the American experience with gold during the past hundred years has been slight. For many years Americans were forbidden by Law to invest in gold. The prevailing mind-set is still: Stocks and Bonds. The average American investor in gold is a neophyte, and by holding gold acts against the opinions of the majority of his countrymen. As de Tocqueville noted in his book “Democracy in America”, Americans have a deep-seated need to think alike. So perhaps a few American investors in gold were frightened into giving up on gold-investing.
    The rest of the world is a different story. We have the governments of Russia and China who are oriented to gold through a long history of financial calamities unknown to Americans. India will be purchasing cheap gold hand over fist in the coming days; for Indians, gold is an essential element of their psyche. The Middle East – Semitic nations – and the Far East will also feast upon the low price of gold, for which they have an inborn affinity.
    Investors facing financial and economic reality around the world will soon erase the effects of 4-12. Western gold investors who may succumb to the 4-12 PSYOPS will soon regret their weakness.
    CR

  81. Liquid Lennny April 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

    Jim,
    First, good to see you’re writing as prolifically as ever.
    Personally, I wouldn’t get my shorts in a bind over this metal market manipulation. Consider this a buying opportunity.
    Eventually this whole charade will end, they always have in the past, they certainly will in the future. We just don’t know the exact timing.
    So to all, acquire or dig out that copy of John Seymour’s “The Self-Sufficient Life and How To Live It” and work on getting your own house/life in order…which will be the best use of your limited time ever…
    Finally, to any who missed it, about a month or so ago PBS aired a show title “Earth from Space”. What a great example of technology when our government invests in life rather than in death…
    Here’s the link;
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/earth-from-space.html
    Later all,
    LL

  82. rube-i-con April 22, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    We already knew that the bank doesn’t have your money (“fractional reserves”), they just use it for their own purposes while paying you far less than the real inflation rate, hoping you will be happy with the illusion.
    put some money in high-interest foreign bonds, like brazilian ones that pay 10%, thru everbank or some such institution that offers insurance protection.
    alternatively, you can loan out your funds at whatever %-rate you want via the internet to people that have business ideas, etc. i think its called crowdfunding or some such cutesy name [hate those damn buzznames]
    or lend it to someone you personally know who’ll pay you a decent rate of interest. nothing illegal about that.
    peace peaceniks

  83. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm #

    http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-own-words-issues-163630499.html
    Pope Francis gets an A- here. He’s right on everything excpet the death penalty which is perfectly acceptable to Traditional Catholicism. The erring Soul is going to be punished in any case, it is merciful to do it here and now. The punishment after death can be far more terrible, a fire that burns but consumeth not…

  84. Hapa April 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    The grand conspiracy is being revealed to all those who care to know. Thanks JHK for getting over your aversion to “conspiracy theories”. You are doing a great service to your readers.
    Now, they need to take some action and buy some PM before it’s all gone at these bargain prices.
    There will be more later, as the prices rise and some cash in for paper fiat, but never again at this level. Buying now will also hasten the day when the physical and paper markets truly separate and the banks finally pay the piper.
    So folks, do something with your wallet and advance this revolution. It’s an easy, armchair step to take. What are you waiting for??

  85. tripticket April 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    In the end paper and gold exist to buy the same things: the shit the smart people are growing…
    http://www.smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2013/04/spring-garden-porn.html
    Though admittedly, jewelry made out of greenbacks is more of a niche market.
    Tripp out.

  86. Julian C. Lee April 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    “Of course, US Attorney General Eric Holder, who oversees the FBI, has done a fair imitation of a Brooks Brothers store window mannequin for four years,…

    Kunstler for Menckenmensch!
    Well, he’s not been utterly quiescent. Didn’t he step in against rampant white-on-black violence after a brown Peruvian shot a Saint Skittles who was trying to crack Zim’s skull open? At least he has his priorities right. From an African-American p-o-v anyway.

  87. Rhino April 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

    Yeah you wonder. How many guys get railroaded for crimes they didn’t commit? If you’re a dirt poor black guy that looks a bit rough and doesn’t smell too good and you happen to be in the general vicinity of a murder and especially if you have a police record the legal system isn’t terribly fussy about niceties like due process, presumption of innocence, evidence and all that jazz. You find your ass in jail with the death penalty a reasonable possibility. Or, maybe even worse, the prospect of life in a craphole prison, hoping for a miracle, trying to stay healthy, living cheek by jowl with violent HIV and Hep C infected cell mates. How many guys wasted away for decades on death row only to have convictions overturned after loooong, determined efforts by people working on their behalf, the legal system having done everything in its power to stymie their efforts, to cover up the truth, to avoid having to own up to colossal injustices.
    But the perfumados in glass and steel buildings ruin perfectly good companies, deprive people of livelihoods, steal pensions, lay waste to entire states and countries. And somehow it’s all cricket. You see, it’s the “free market” in operation, relentless in its quest for Pareto optimality, the invisible hand allocating resources and moving capital to their most efficient uses. And making everyone better off. Right?
    What do those immortal words say? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. And what is happening, really, but men free men freely exercising their God given right to Life and Liberty. You got a problem with that? It’s the American Way, the right to live your own life for the sake of your own happiness. You CAN see it can’t you? Of course you can,
    If only the economy worked as friction-free as textbook theory says it should, with everyone having perfect knowledge, with people moving seamlessly from one line of work to another, unconcerned with such trifles as maybe training for professions that are going overseas or trying to find work that doesn’t exist, not worried about having to eat everyday because, after all, they’ll be better off in the LONG run.
    If only economic theorists were objective, dispassionate researchers into human economic behavior instead of shills for this moneyed interest or that political agenda. If only what they write weren’t a useless pile of crap. Or rather, if only it WAS a useless pile of crap instead of the misleading, mindtwisting garbage that it actually is, metaphysics conjured in service of thieves.
    Yes, wait for it, the shills will deploy the statistics. Everything is fine, they’ll say. The numbers say so. Never mind your lying eyes, the stock indices show it, so does the price of gold. No, there isn’t massive fraud. No way, asset prices aren’t rigged. No, money isn’t being diverted to hedge fund managers away from savers. Yes, the housing market is recovering. No, you’re not getting hosed, Bernanke is working with your best interests in mind. These paranoid musings, these counter-productive thoughts, it’s all in your imagination, you see things that aren’t there.
    And, after the shills, when everything has well and truly gone to shit, the re-writers of history will come out. What will they say? That the world you remember never existed, it’s a construct of your wishful thinking, as non-existent and as artificial as the TV world of Ozzie and Harriet. No, there never was a middle class with stable employment. No, you are mis-remembering, fathers didn’t spend 35 years with the same company. Who told you that? Fathers are now and always were shift-less, abusive losers that spread STDs to women and children.
    But never mind the shills. And never mind the Winston Smiths re-writing what you know damned well happened. Because, like me, you were there, you saw it, it happened right in front of you. But, like sociologists in service of nihilistic, life hating ideologies that try to deny that happy marriages that raised happy well adjusted kids really were the norm, the economic Winston Smiths, will insist that it never happened, that times were never good, that employment was never plentiful, that wages were always inadequate. They will try to convince you and people younger than you (that were too young to see it) that what YOU know was real, really wasn’t. And they’ll do it with charts and statistics and studies. Why do it? To quell dissent of course. Life was bad back then and is getting better now. Like the old time communists. Wait for it.
    The FBI and SEC may serve up a bust now and again to make it look good. But, in reality, they are not in the slightest interested in prosecuting economy destroying crimes. And even IF crimes DID happen what do you DO? They are so terribly, terribly hard to prove, the burden of proof is so awfully burdensome. I mean sheesh, this business about criminal intent. How DO you establish it? How DO you get inside a person’s mind? Emails? Recorded conversations? Verbal testimony? Well maybe, but the evidence better be bullet proof, utterly unassailable, any witness a Gibraltar of fortitude with a full command of facts in the face of relentless cross examination. Because if there is so much as a speck that’s off kilter the whole case falls apart. The prosecutors will shrug and sigh and say there’s nothing more to be done. And besides, just between us girls and don’t say this too loudly, there was not much interest in prosecuting in the first place.
    I’ll give Holder credit for being up-front. What did he say? The banks are too big to jail. Well folks, there it is, what more do you need? Want justice? A fair shake? No, sorry, no can do. Not for little people like you. You see, the world has changed.
    And so you and me, and I’m trying to think of polite word, are fucked.

  88. tripticket April 22, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    In hard times people with useful skills are protected, as they were even in the most lawless swashbuckling Carribean pirate era. If you were a doctor, or shipwright, or cooper, or any of a number of other important occupations, you were looked after. Usually pretty well, too. People holding boxes of gold will just be targets.
    There is a permaculture directive to make your wealth heavy, permanent, and hard to transport, i.e. an apple orchard, beef herd, a fish-filled pond, or deep fertile soil. There is plenty of wisdom in that I believe.
    Gold is the opposite of that.

  89. tripticket April 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm #

    The value of gold will persist longer than paper, though, at least by 3 days or so.

  90. General Mustache April 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Okay, so even Jim’s crystal ball is cloudy. I’ve been reading Klusterfuck for a while, and waiting for the collapse, but we are all still here waiting (Godot?), and reading, and worrying about something we can do little about.. Who knows what the future holds? What can we control? When it is all said and done we may all end up living long comfortable lives after all.

  91. Cavepainter April 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

    THE PLAN: Push population off the land (away from independent self sufficiency) into cities so all will be fully dependent upon mercantile. Destroy cultural cohesiveness with influx of “diversity” from Third World nations having lower standards of living and hygiene and different religious, ethnic and racial allegiance. Use the created economic desperation in cities as political justification for take-over and government managed (puppet of global finance & trans-national corporations) of all range land and water rights from private ranchers (most arable farm land in America is already in the hands of global finance), reducing diet to meatless.

  92. ront April 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    you suggest that I meant: “This restates the tired and stale old maxim that money can’t buy you happiness. But, on the other hand, money can buy you a boat big enough to sail right up next to it.”
    I wasn’t asking about happiness I was referring to necessities: food, clothing, shelter. In stable times money can buy these, but that is not all the time. After a major earthquake causing most buildings to crumble and water sources to become polluted, no amount of gold, silver, money, etc. will purchase these for you.

  93. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

    In big cities MDs and Nurses are attacked in emergency rooms.
    http://www.jem-journal.com/article/S0736-4679%2806%2900492-6/abstract
    etc.

  94. rube-i-con April 22, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    things will go on and on for lots longer than folks realize. we are not going back to any markedly lower standard of living, where is the evidence.
    we were two inklings away from disaster – so they say – in 2008 and yet the Dow’s at all-time highs (yep i know not in inflation-adjusted terms), gold’s way up, people are eating just fine (yep i know there’s hunger out there, but when has it ever been diffint?)
    so, gimme evidence of massive decline setting in
    peace peaceniks

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    Next station Spain: April 26th we’ll have a Cyprus type rescue or/and a “corralito”.
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  99. Janos Skorenzy April 22, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    Don’t worry, we’ll be fed high level Soy Products such as Soylent White. The book “To Serve Man” will be required reading. Only at the Phd level will it be revealed to be a cookbook in code.

  100. rube-i-con April 22, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    “To Serve Man” will be required reading.
    no my vladdie, they will serve soylent white until they realize they are eating their own seed corn. white civilization is where it’s at, keyword ‘civil’ized.
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  101. carolnewquist... April 22, 2013 at 6:28 pm #

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  103. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    Hate to play the race card but the conclusion
    is unavoidable:
    http://clashdaily.com/2013/04/obama-has-flooded-america-with-muslim-immigrants/

  104. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 7:30 pm #

    I would eat apricots, kernel and all.
    Can the kernels kill someone?
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    http://www.truefalse.co.nz/articles/truefalse71-apricotkernels.html

  105. carolnewquist... April 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    Umm, this WAS the American response! Haven’t you been paying attention??? We LIKE having our rights usurped. A 26 year old and his kid, teen age brother bring a major U.S. city to its knees. And a guy who needed to go outside of his home found the perp…while thousands of cops and F.B.I. thugs ran around in Greater Boston chasing their tail ends. Yep, three cheers for the good ole U.S. of A (ssholes).

  106. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

    Its not about 1 guy, its about PUBLICITY.
    They had to get him, to save face.
    Also see the piece at ‘ClashDaily’ about Obama visiting that terrorist in Boston hospital.

  107. lucky 13 April 22, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    Where goes Gold?
    1000 an ounce? 10,000$ /ounce? Even higher?

  108. thaddeus thurston thistlethwaite III April 22, 2013 at 8:12 pm #

    Tripp. You are indulging in either/or thinking patterns. It’s wise to be learning about and practicing permaculture. Even better to have in your possession a storage of portable wealth such as gold or silver. It’s usually better to think in terms of both/and rather than either/or.
    You know first hand that Evangelical Christians do the either/or thing exclusively.

  109. carolnewquist... April 22, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    Thank god you’re back!

  110. carolnewquist... April 22, 2013 at 8:27 pm #

    Just sayin’ if it weren’t for a guy in Watertown needin a smoke outside of his house, this nefarious teenager might never been found. And all of Massachusetts’ finest with the FBI sniffin at their rears couldn’t find the bleed’n bloke. Your tax dollars hard at work, folks.

  111. carolnewquist... April 22, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

    Sounds like you’re the one who’s “higher”! Been smoking that evil weed again, Luck?
    p.s. Your boyfriend, Janos, misses you. He’s got something for ya in his pocket. See if you can guess what it is, and ENJOY! (hope you’re into small snacks cause thas all you gonna get from him.)

  112. insufferable April 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    Once again conspiracies abound about Boston. Many say when things really begin to take up the news attention something else in the background is going on. Maybe the Boston distraction was because the real action was about the money gold etc story. Who knows about anything. How in heavens name do we ever find out the truth about anything. Its very frustrating. Our choice is : the government is on the American side and wants to help us stay safe etc. OR. the American government wants to destroy this country. So depending what side you find yourself on all I can say is….we will never know the truth. The media is USELESS. (THAT IS FOR SURE).

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  116. turkleton April 22, 2013 at 10:44 pm #

    So JHK is “allergic to conspiracy theories” yet a suddenly depressed precious metals market must be the result of some partially coordinated behind-the-scenes manipulation. I don’t buy it. Could it be that people are discovering that precious metals are not that good of an investment? In other words, what real use is gold outside of jewelry and a few manufacturing processes? Why hold on to massive reserves of the stuff? I’d rather have vast tracts of land myself. Gold is inert, rather heavy, and difficult to transport. It can be counterfeited more easily than paper money. And it is rather difficult to break down into small dollars and cents. (See that speck of gold dust right there? That’s for this cheeseburger and fries, m’k?)
    The meaning of money has migrated from being backed by gold (supposedly) to one that is more abstract. A currency is some claim to future goods, services, products, etc. Now I’m not saying that the money system is sound but it certainly isn’t based on precious metals holdings anymore.
    I don’t actually think that paper money ever was backed up by an equivalent amount of precious metals assets. Interestingly enough, the entire concept of paper money derives from the Crusades, when the Crusaders gave IOU paper slips to the Knights Templar who promised to give them back their gold when they returned. The Templars noticed that few of them actually ever returned to get their gold, and thus modern fractional reserve banking was born. I guess in those days it was probably because the depositor died of heat stroke or dysentery, but it is the same concept.

  117. turkleton April 22, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    I have no inherent bias against what people call “conspiracy theories”, in that crimes or any other act for that matter can generally have a number of actors connected to it, some of whom might remain hidden. And it is the natural human tendency to collaborate towards shared goals. BUT I am very wary of baseless, speculation based upon nothing more than an a priori distrust of media sources. I require evidence for assertions and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
    Could it be that these two guys just wanted to blow some shit up? They originally come from a place where people just kind of do that sort of thing for fun. Really, some people just want to cause chaos and mayhem, and they want to be notorious. There doesn’t have to be some vast sinister conspiracy behind their actions, and the device here, a pretty simplistic explosive based upon a pressure cooker, did not require collaboration with Al Qaeda to create though they may have been inspired by that organization’s ideas.
    Indeed I believe it is correct to note that the American national security state pounces upon these types of incidents as an excuse to tighten the hold on all of us. The police in these videos who apprehended the suspects did not look like law enforcement to me but paramilitaries. They were dressed in fatigues and were carrying what looked like assault rifles. For all intents and purposes, local police have become a paramilitary branch of the federal government. There is now talk of trying one of the suspects as an enemy combatant, and he has been charged with using a “weapon of mass destruction.” All this goes to support a well-developed and still growing police state here.
    Now, there is the speculation above that since this guy is being treated as a non-citizen, that it could happen to any of us. Well, I don’t know. People get charged with all kinds of heinous crimes, punishable by life imprisonment or even death, and they retain their citizenship. What I think the government does with these terrorism laws is protects itself, as these attacks were really against the government, in a sense. It was very public, and it was on tax day. And the motivation was (probably) some hatred of the US as a whole.
    So it is a complex area. But I’m still for working inside the established legal system, and I think all this talk about terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and enemy combatants is way overblown (pardon the horrible pun). There is no reason this person can’t be prosecuted successfully using our existing court system as a criminal.

  118. turkleton April 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    Whose “plan” Cave? The world, especially the political scene, is not so organized as you seem think. There is no master plan. It is all pretty ad hoc and seat-of-the-pants.

  119. turkleton April 22, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    So what? There is so much more at play here than the price of barrel of oil. More and more coal burning power plants are coming online, thus increasing the pace of global warming, which, according to all the best scientific data, will be worse than predicted. Natural gas combustion also releases carbon into the atmosphere, though not as much. GW is set to be a major catastrophe for the entire planet, regardless of what you pay at the pump.
    The developed countries have enough oil, for now. Much of the rest of the world is oil starved. What happens to China, India, not to mention all of Africa and South America, as they demand more oil along with their economic progression? Will the supply meet the demand?
    Food prices are through the roof, for many reasons, one of which is the diversion of crops to make bio-fuels, like ethanol.
    There are other ominous trends, including increasing global population on a planet that is in massive resource deficit situation.
    Just looking at the price of one commodity to predict a rosy future is like wearing blinders. You have to look at the whole picture, and it isn’t bright.

  120. Zed Leppt In April 22, 2013 at 11:15 pm #

    I recall that in the James Bond film “Goldfinger” the villain’s plot was to break into the US gold depository at Fort Knox and blow up the facility with a nuclear bomb. This would immediately create panic in the gold market and Auric Goldfinger’s personal hoard of the metal would make him immensely wealthy (queue sinister laugh). Imagine a modern day criminal mastermind infiltrating Fort Knox only to find a cavernous vault filled with empty pallets with a few IOU Post-IT notes attached. Then again, with today’s trade in gold mostly a paper credit market rather than a physical commodity exchange, destroying a bunch of IOUs might be just as effective at instilling panic. With Germany demanding the return of their 1500 tons of bullion stored in the New York Federal Reserve and rumors that gold has been secretly pawned off, one has to wonder if the idea of nuking the building in a false-flag terrorist attack hasn’t been kicked around in brainstorming sessions at the US Treasury Department. The Fed could innocently shrug their shoulders and just say “Oops,rotten luck, eh mein herrs? Hope you guys had insurance.” And there would be justification to start another war with whatever patsy nation seems like the best test bed for the latest Skunkworks high tech weaponry. As for juking the stock market, there’s nothing like an entertaining made-for-TV war to get the stock market back in high gear: after the Afghanistan/Iraq invasions a decade ago there was a 5-year bull market that took the Dow from around 7200 to 14,200. Hell, the defence industry will be rolling in so much dough they could fashion assassination weapons that fire gold bullets to take out high-value enemy targets… but that was a different 007 movie.

  121. Zed Leppt In April 22, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

    Speaking of bombs, how about that ridiculous circus show in Boston? I’m not referring to the exploding kitchenware but the absurd theatrics put on by the police and the hyper inflated fear mongering of the press. The deserted streetscapes in Boston looked like the opening scenes from yet another zombie apocalypse horror story. The phalanxes of assault rifle pointing cops reminded me of some silly Japanese monster movie, troops readying themselves to do battle with a 10-story tall radioactive reptiliod about go on fire-breathing rampage. All that to hunt down one wounded teenaged murder suspect. There was even the suggestion that the suspects’ apartment building would be blown up lest there be any booby traps inside. Kind of kills there the stereotyped image the lone brave bomb disposal expert, with a sweating brow, trying to decide whether to cut the red wire or the blue wire. In fact, there was just such a character in the 1994 film “Blow Away”. Jeff Bridges played a retired Boston cop who went up against an ex IRA bomber played with maniacal joviality by Tommy Lee Jones, whose intentions were almost as bad as his Irish accent. There were some hilariously contrived bombs in this film, one attached to a girl’s computer was rigged to blow up if she didn’t keep up a nonstop typing rate on her keyboard or until the computer’s memory was full ( awfully similar to the plot device in a certain bomb-on-speeding-bus movie of the same era ). Today’s terrorists just don’t have any dramatic sense, so the press takes over and fills that void.

  122. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 12:50 am #

    Yes I agree with you, Turk, Lucky and even the odious Carol. They want to glorify themselves and have us applaud them. And yes some people really got off on this power trip vicariously – just like they do on Team Sports. So you have massive cop overkill and people applauding as their rights are trampled on. Did two guys shut down a City or did 6,000 Cops? This was the purpose for all those SWAT shows – to get people ready for the Military being in the streets.
    The bozo masses don’t realize that they become the Enemy if they protest at any point. Whatever is done to Muslim Terrorists will be done to them.

  123. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 2:01 am #

    Nazi Bastards!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndtLOKMu3Dw&feature=youtu.be

  124. rocco April 23, 2013 at 2:10 am #

    JHK: Excellent points, but us working cogs have no clue to whats going on. If you want to see a Corporate view of the future, check out the series Continuum on Netflix or the SYFY station.

  125. Michigan Native April 23, 2013 at 2:51 am #

    Gold smold. Will have value as a medium of exchange for awhile in a post collapse, deindustrialized society. With at least 6 billion people guaranteed to starve to death after fossil fuels are depleted forever by the middle of this century, such precious metals with lose their luster and dry up and blow away with the wind.
    The new mediums of exchange will be fresh water (the CEO of Netzle says it’s a private commodity like food and should have a price on it, supposedly his company are trying to buy up supplies or rights to supplies to it.
    Add to the list of post precious metal collapse nonsense, the other mediums of exchange will be food, drugs, and sex…as old as human kind itself. You want me to fix your wood burning stove, you better have your wife or sex slave get on her knees and eat my scum guppies, and she had better be good enough at it to suck the chrome off a trailer hitch at that. That/and or a month’s supply of good moonshine, some fresh bud. You have silver coins? What the fuck do I want that for? I couldn’t even sharpen them and pick people off that I hated like David Karradine in those cheesey old Kung Fu with his star knives. Copper? Useless when the electricity runs out, can’t even be used anymore as a conductor for electricity. Might fashion a stinging whip to make others work your estates harder for you, but copper will lose its value over time when the lights and the grid go dim.
    The best way to secure the new post collapse barter items will be to invest or associate with families and/or gangs, people with the best weapons, stealing, looting, and killing skills.
    The new system will be those at the top of the neo feudalism, those who toil from sunrise to sunset for them, and those who do not or try to make it on their own.

  126. Michigan Native April 23, 2013 at 3:01 am #

    The new hierarchy and the new mediums of exchange in a post collapse, deindustrialized society. The serfs or peasants slave away for the warlords, and those cowboys who think they can live independently of the warlords. They will be robbed, raped, killed, or forced into servitude
    The new mediums of exchange or currency will be water, food, sex, and drugs…precious metals will likely matter little, if anything. This was the way it was before industrialization, and this is what it will revert back to

  127. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 4:24 am #

    Israel has the right to Multi-Cultural too, Lucky.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og&list=LLyWi7PDNwcn9X3FKg9JKbKw

  128. Michigan Native April 23, 2013 at 5:50 am #

    What the fuck does any other country or even within your own country stand a pimple on the ass of humanity to do with the race, culture, or the collapse of America which is inevitable, and most likely, the extinction of the human race? Like that snot in first class during the sinking on the Titanic (the movie), when others are facing adversity or death by the masses or billions, how many will trade their natural resources or their life boats for your gold, silver, etc or paper currencies which will inevitably become worthless as once precious natural resources become scarce on a planet whose natural carrying capacity was apparently set at 1 billion human souls, with inputs from energy dense fossil fuels, to its present rate of 7 billion people? That 1 billion estimate is too generous, as people have poisoned the planet, exhausted precious resources, and obviously brought on what is appearing to be more and more catastrophic climate change.
    When survival necessities become the norm, if the human race doesn’t kill each other in some franetic and futile effort to tear off the scraps that are left, does anyone seriously think gold and “precious” metals will be the medium of exchange for very long?
    I may or may not be here, but many of you should look back at the basic needs, desires, and pleasures that have ruled humans from the beginning…..which will not be changed and given the damage done to a post industrial planet, will lead to our extinction. The idea does not scare me, it is probably for the better in the long run

  129. hillwalker April 23, 2013 at 7:04 am #

    “acts of these swindlers eventually trickles down into adverse impact on the ordinary citizen.”
    Of course it will/does.
    No argument here.
    But thinking that somehow gold is any different from anything else always strikes me as silly.
    it’s all just rich-person games, they never change.
    Interesting to watch all these goldbugs show up screaming about how all the other goldbugs are the bad guys.

  130. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 7:16 am #

    So true. Saw that film. Excellent comment. I agree two-hundred or more percent.

  131. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 7:19 am #

    Maybe they can use Chinese terrorists versus Chechnyan in this possible scenario. That would be cool.

  132. Scribblerlarry April 23, 2013 at 7:30 am #

    You cannot – not even innocently – ask questions of “the authorities” about their “explanations” of events without garnering the title “conspiracy theorist.” You need not put forward any such theory. You need not imply that the authorities are being less than truthful. You need only ask for clarification and thereby show that you still retain the ability to think un-approved thoughts.
    Orwell? Heck Orwell was a piker. Orwell didn’t imagine that ‘free speech’ could actually be used as a weapon against the citizens. It lets the government locate and follow dissenters. It lets dissenters and questioners be similarly labelled as conspiracy theorists and openly disparaged. It gives the appearance of freedom when freedom is in very short supply.
    Is there a conspiracy? No. Not one. But many. Unless of course it’s just coincidence that Homeland Security is being equipped with 2,700 light tanks and enough rounds of ammunition to kill almost everyone in the US at the same time as the Patriot Act and the NDAA extra clauses were signed into law.

  133. Scribblerlarry April 23, 2013 at 7:42 am #

    I have not noticed any serious questioning of how Homeland Security was able to grow to such a large force in so short a time. I wonder how it was able to recruit and train – especially to train – such a huge cadre of people. I couldn’t be that they absorbed tens of thousands of trained, experienced, battle hardened, ex-troops who learned to kill without thought or hesitation in those nations who’ve been the victims of our invasions, now could it?
    If I were the government I’d surely breathe a sigh of relief to have those veterans under control and unlikely to become part of the citizens who actually do revolt in an attempt to end the fascist oligarchy that has become our government. Such men and women, trained as they are, would be a very dangerous enemy indeed!

  134. budizwiser April 23, 2013 at 7:53 am #

    Metals do not change in value. The papers people exchange to obtain them do.
    The human race is changing the Earth much faster than the Earth changed prehistoric plant and animal life into oil.
    Know one really knows how this will continue. But everyone can agree there will be “changes.”
    The recent shenanigans regarding the “gold market” only serve to remind readers that there is unseen influence that operates globally.
    What happened with “gold” can happen with wheat or soy beans or oil as well. We really know very little about the realities surrounding our resources.

  135. adequatio April 23, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    everyone can agree there will be “changes.”
    ———————
    We only disagree on whether the inevitable changes will be positive or negative. Rhino is right that I am in the 1% who expects things to get better based on my reading of the data.
    But if things do get as bad as CFN predicts, then bars of gold or 99.99% pure gold coins will be useless. Who would trade a bag of beans for a bar of gold? The beans are worth more because they will keep you alive. When no one will accept your worthless gold in trade you die with a bar of gold in your possession… which is still as worthless to you dead as it is while you are alive. When perceived value evaporates … and it will when things get bad … a bar of gold won’t be negotiable even for a bag of beans … but it still can be used as a doorstop or a paper weight.

  136. Tancred April 23, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    I arrived at Logan International Airport on Friday morning. Everything was on “lockdown” they said. But I took a commercial bus (Logan Express) to Framingham, ironically traveling down The Pike right past Watertown where that kid was probably making his temporary home in Slipaway II. What a perfect name for that boat. But I still can’t understand why The T, the taxis, the MBTA Commuter Rail, were all shut down but I could still take that bus.

  137. ozone April 23, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    Thanks to most of you for your thoughtful musings since about 9pm last eve.
    The lack of muddiness is refreshing, just as clear water is to turbid.
    Thanks again; pressing issues, gotta git.

  138. dclacy April 23, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    Well, a plus side to this gold BS is that we haven’t been subjected to the constant “We buy gold” commercials. They’ve just dropped off the air waves. Go figure.

  139. ComradeDystopia April 23, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    If you want to see what a narco sh-thole Mexico has devolved into, check out British travel writer Richard Grant’s ‘Gods Middle Finger’, a book about his trip thru the Sierra Madre a few years ago. A murder rate twice that of our worst ghetto (Chicago) and rape the order of the day, specifically, the rape of teenage girls by roving drug gangs and gunmen, who then force the violated and usually pregnant victim to marry them. For all you feminists who like to wield ‘the third world’ as a weapon against the hated white American male, there’s your third world. How do you like it? Who knew? I never see any of this on CNN. If this is what we’re importing into our country, God help us.
    I notice a few Big Boston Libs (the pansy left) are trying to gin up some sympathy for the remaining Chechen terrorist. They probably don’t yet know the car that was hijacked had a ‘coexist’ sticker on its bumper, and the reason they let the driver live was because he said he was not an American. Turns out the older suspect was (is) a suspect in a triple stabbing/murder that occurred in Boston last year. I don’t know about you but I’m celebrating this multicultural moment by lighting a candle and holding it in the air, while singing ‘Koombaya’.
    –ComradeDystopia

  140. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 11:17 am #

    Looks like 9/11 #2 and WWII (or it’s cyber equivalent) continue to approach on-time and on target.
    In the pipe, 5 x 5, as they say.
    The Boston Op was an almost complete success. The many inconsistencies hiding in plain sight, but unable to gain any traction against the overwhelming Trillion-Dollar Propananda Apparatus.
    Corpzis and their Media and The Sheep Who Love Them. It is both tragic and comical at the same time.
    2700 hardened APCs – the MRAPS and 2 billion rounds of ammo, with lots of hollowpoint and undubtedly other goodies waiting to be deployed in a neighborhood near you.
    Endgame grows nearer. The last loot is almost airlifted away. Everything Gestapo is ready, awaiting a bigger triggering event. When there’s nothing left to steal, that’s when we have to watch out.
    Consider this the Spring Propaganda Offensive. Apparently, the marketing dictates for these “Left-handed” Ops, these best month to terrorize a sheeplike populace into giving up a little more as they wet their pants, is in April.
    As with 9/11 #1 (a right-handed Fall Op for rolling out new products), Obama has almost his whole term to get everything in place before 2017 and the likely coming of Jeb the Destroyer (who’s 2017, not the less liklely 2021 or 2025 coming is made much more likely by the 4/15 Boston Pathocracy Op).
    I have to say I like 9/1/2019 for the date of 9/11 #2 and the beginning of WWIII.
    Whatever the hell it is running the show, that’s a special date for them and a date of POWER of start the next cavalcade of coming horros.
    Maybe at that point things will be so far gone that America and Israel will launch WWIII on that date, a date of power and a great anniversary.
    You know how psychopaths LOOOOOVE their anniversaries.
    I still think Chicago is a good bet for 9/11 #2. It’s marketing gold for so many reasons, plus it avoids the three seats of Power, Wall treet, DC and LA, that bend America towards the arc of great totalitarian evil.
    Now 99% certain. The Boston Op shows it will be relatively easy. People won’t wake up until it’s waaaay too late, and the level of power deployed in Boston will be deployed 10X in dozens of places when it’s time to go.
    2700 MRAPs and just look at some of the Youtubes like this one:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8&feature=player_embedded
    No one will do anything, and when a few get around to it, it will be sproadic, easily beaten down, and 99.9% of the American Subject Populace will be cowering in front of their TVs, enjoying the show.
    It’s all now growing so close. All that stuff I wrote since I came back on board. That or something very like that is coming.
    Not IF but WHEN.
    CD, Rhino and other “rationalists”, how much more in your face does it have to get, including the grossly obvious fradulent nature of Boston, before you are willing to question the Official Lie?

  141. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    LOL, we posted nearly simultaneously!
    CD, you really need to get off that Left/Right nonsense. It drugs you like heroin, as it was meant to.
    It blinds you to reality.
    Jon Stewart and Sean Hannity have the same agendas. To keep the Sheep quiet, help sanitize Official Lies, so that they and all Richie Riches can enjoy being Gods on Earth for as long as possible. In others words, to keep the tanker trucks of shirmp cocktail rolling into the Hamptons.
    Wake up, Marlin. It’s getting close now. Burying your head in the sand won’t make it go away.
    For God’s sake, kick the Left/Right crack, you junkie addict! The RW Aristocracy is just as contemptibly sociopathic or in the service thereof, as those Big Boston Libs you despise.
    Each side just has it’s own distinct marketing program to keep you confused and addicted to Left/Right crack.
    You prefer the RW marketing, and I suppose I prefer the LW marketing. But they both want whatever crumbs are left after TSHTF, TLE, TEOTWAWKI and the Great Dieoff, for their own Little Fauntleroys and Babsies, while your descendants slave away for them or die off.
    I have to say, I am betting you did truly enjoy the Boston Op Reality Show, didn’t you? All it’s thrills and chills?
    An action-packed thrill ride. I give it two thumbs up!
    Get up in your living room and chant “USA! USA!” as they dragged the half-dead little ptasy off the boat? Got a woody from the thermal imaging?
    Here’s some terms for you: LIHOP, HIHOP, MIHOP.
    (and no, they ain’t pancacke houses!)

  142. CaptSpaulding April 23, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    For anyone who cares, there’s an interesting article in the May issue of The Atlantic Monthly. It’s titled, WE’LL NEVER RUN OUT OF OIL. It would be interesting to see what the clusterfuckers think of it.

  143. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    Oh, they’ve thought ahead. I agree about the veterans, but if this isn’t a decades-spanning plan, then it sure is one hell of a coincidence they way all the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.
    We have now passed yet another checkpoint, and now the Final Phase of Transition Begins.
    A great shadow falls over the world, as it did in the late 20s and early 30s.
    The Boston Op is but one conspicuous (by proximity) link in a long chain that even now 99.9% of the American Subject Populace fails to note how ridiculously close to Endgame it is.

  144. lucky 13 April 23, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/the-language-police-win-again-ap-bans-term-islamist/
    And:
    http://www.ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-co-exist-bombers.html
    The same month the ‘word cops’ ban a term, oops,
    a ‘militant’ did a bad act.
    You can SIGN THE ONLINE PETITION TO FREE THE BOMBER.
    [started by someone with a Russian? name].

  145. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    A murder rate twice that of our worst ghetto (Chicago) and rape the order of the day, specifically, the rape of teenage girls by roving drug gangs and gunmen, who then force the violated and usually pregnant victim to marry them. For all you feminists who like to wield ‘the third world’ as a weapon against the hated white American male, there’s your third world. How do you like it? Who knew? I never see any of this on CNN. If this is what we’re importing into our country, God help us.
    ==============
    I agree, CD, we should legalize and regulate drugs in both countries, eliminate the peso and make Mexico’s currency the dollar, and pass livable wage laws for both countries. No more immigration issues and no more Cartel issues. I knew we weren’t that far apart on this. Together, we can do this, CD. I know we can.

  146. lucky 13 April 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    On Youtube you can hear Catherine Fitts [who worked high up in government] thoughts on depopulation.
    CFR has openly stated a goal of 1 billion serfs.

  147. lucky 13 April 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

    They more power we give them, the less we have.

  148. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    Considering that, how does immigration control mitigate it? It doesn’t, that’s how. In fact, when the time comes, if what Fitts’ believes is true, the greater the numbers, the better chance you have of thwarting their attempts, yet those of you who are pushing for immigration control want the exact opposite. What do you think? They’re just going to let you live in paradise after they shut everyone else out? Hardly. You will now become their serfs after they thin your herd some more.

  149. Eleuthero5 April 23, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    SILICON VALLEY’S NEW SCAM ECONOMY
    ———————————————
    As a former practicing statistician and computer scientist, it’s painful to watch my local economy’s “hottest” new industries consisting of already-discredited ideas with new labels on them.
    Yes, folks, the hot new field is “Big Data” which is a cover for the subfields of “Data Analytics” (which we know as merely statistics), “Machine Learning” (which is just the old ghost of Artificial Intelligence revivified like Frankenstein’s monster but with a statistical “shine” to it), and “Data Mining” (mostly just database management but, again, with a statistical veneer).
    Once again, like with the dumb bastards with Nobel prizes who brought you the fantastic mathematical formulae that brought down Long Term Capital Management and the US economy to the tune of $500B, we’re pretending that we can do business and economic forecasting by glossing over bullshit ideas with rocket science math.
    It appears that Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s warnings about improper use of statistics from his book “The Black Swan” and “Fooled by Randomness” are falling on deaf ears. This is just creating yet another bubble industry out here whose failure will be both inevitable and catastrophic because of the extent of investment in the ideas.
    Poor Taleb … a sage and a prophet really yet when money talks sobriety walks.
    E.

  150. Eleuthero5 April 23, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    Larry,
    The NDAA is a bald-faced violation of the 5th Amendment of the Constitution which says that nobody can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS (meaning a jury trial). The 14th Amendment also assures EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW to everyone arrested within US jurisdiction … even terrorists.
    That an allegedly liberal President can sign this into law with the total silence of the Supreme Court is a major indicator to me that we have already slipped into a “soft” totalitarian state. Add to all of this the blatant spying on the American people by companies like Google, adds only insult to injury.
    As the structural depression in the USA grinds on and the middle class continues to disappear, you’re going to see more and more citizens erupt and get Gitmoed. Through NDAA and the Patriot Act, the Federal Government is essentially prearranging the easy “processing” of the millions of people in the future who object to having their living standards lowered to 3rd world levels through no fault of their own.
    E.

  151. emmar1arichy April 23, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

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  152. Beantownbill April 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    No one knows the future. All the scenarios presented here are possible, but there is no rational way one can say with 100% certainty that this or that scenario will occur.
    To maximize one’s probability of surviving (which again is not a sure thing no matter how one tries to anticipate), then one must start with the basics, because there is no survival without them, whatever may occur in the future.
    What’s the most necessary commodity? Air. We can only survive for a few minutes, at most without it. In a bad future, the air could be poisoned. I’d start off purchasing gas masks and a supply of filters for them. What’s the next most important item? Water. We can only survive a few days without drinking it. I’d stock up on water filters and water storage containers and cachement systems. What’s next? Food. I’d stock up on food items for a well-balanced diet, then I’d figure out how to grow my own food and livestock.
    Next is security. I’d figure out how to protect myself and my family from other people and from the elements.
    Finally, really in last place, I’d keep a store of paper money, and gold and silver coins. This would represent a certain percentage of my wealth, but certainly not all. One never knows what the long-term scenario will be, and depending on its severity, these could still have some utility.
    Personally, I view our current situation is a result of the stresses of rapid technological change. The faster things change, the stronger people fight to keep up. Rapid change brings great insecurity and nervousness. That’s ultimately the reason why everything seems so tense. Committing violence and other aggressive behaviors are how most humans react to stress.
    There’s no doubt we’re approaching a time of crisis. That doesn’t merit a negative attitude, for all the scenarios that CFNers talk and fret about are just one segment on the entire spectrum of possibilities; positive outcome scenarios make up part of that spectrum, too. The wise individual course of action and attitude is to prepare for both good and bad scenarios. But when has this ever been different?

  153. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    You are a bit too cynical about Human Beings. Even scumbag Americans risk their lives to save children or anybody in a burning building. Soldiers do things like this everyday – and yes, they’re still scumbags in the larger sense. I’ve lived with this contradiction all my life: many muscular idiots into sports hate my guts but they would risk their life to save mine. And look at the sacrafice of Osamam Bin Ladin, a son of privledge who gave it all up to fight for the Truth as he understood it.
    Life is far more strange and wonderful than you are admitting. And disasters bring out the best and the worst. You will see. Some will turn to cannibalism. Many women will sell their bodies for food. Others will share their food – even with strangers. I have little doubt that you are better than what you are damning humanity with.

  154. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Good. Now you know. Now where do you stand on the atrocity in Watertown? People taken out of their homes at gun point? Do you think the terrorists shut down Boston? Or was it in fact, the Goverment? They called it a “lock down” – a prison term. How does that sound to you?

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  156. Ixnei April 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    JHK, concerning the 7 year schedule to return German gold:
    “The NY Fed must have a vessel under contract that makes the proverbial slow boat to China look like an ICBM.”
    Indeed, makes the couple months delayed EU bailout for Cyprus seem like a light-speed transaction…
    And why all the skeptibunker claims that you can’t eat gold? Apparently none of you were tuned into the ORMUS NewAge phenomena of recent past? Never heard of white powder gold, the *miracle* cure for any/all ailments?
    Perhaps the ‘l33t’sters have been stockpiling gold and *majikally* converting it into consumable monatomic gold, yet slowly but surely have consumed it beyond peak gold!!! A massive conspiracy of epic proportions. These shadowy sociopaths have been living for centuries, perhaps even millennia, due to white powder gold’s “fountain of youth” property.
    In all seriousness, if you really want a cure-all, you should take a look at the lemon/maple syrup/cayenne cleanse (master cleanse provides all details for free – I did a 17 day regiment a few years back). I’d suggest you simply incorporate the techniques of this cleanse into a daily routine, such as having a couple glasses of that lemonade recipe each day, before or with meals, and ending the night with a herbal laxative tea. I’d recommend against the morning lukewarm quart of sea salt water, though it might be interesting to try that on a full colon…

  157. 79iron April 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=182433
    Saint says:
    Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem involves a system’s, such as mathematics, inability to prove itself by utilizing only itself.
    For any such system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system. The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that such a system cannot demonstrate its own consistency.
    The issue is that any logical proof of an axiom will necessarily lead to another which will always merely lead to another endlessly, and thus never complete any absolute proof.
    The resolve to this, which was either ignored or merely not realized by those involved in its promotion, is the concern of definitions. Within mathematics, are statements such as “1+1=2”. But how does one prove that 1+1 really does equal 2? Using only mathematics leads to more complex equalities that eventually lead to the proof that 1+1=2. But every one of those depends upon an axiom of some kind presumed to be true. Logic always begins with something presumed to be true such as to deduce what else must be true.
    But there is a difference between a common axiom and a definitional axiom. A typical axiom is merely something that most, if not all, people would accept as true. But a definitional axiom is something that is declared to be true throughout the system involved, such as, “2 ? 1+1”.
    A declared definition for a system cannot be contended with and is not susceptible to truth statement doubts. The definition is a conditional agreement for utilizing the system at all. If the definition is not accepted then the entire system is not accepted. Every system of any nature involved in thought depends on defined concepts that might or might not have been explicated. Any logical proof that leads back to a defined conceptual truth is necessarily true, without exception.
    The issue then becomes one of arbitrary definitions and the rationality of the system being proposed. In the case of mathematics, the definitions are hardly arbitrary (being based on simple quantitative counting) and the rationality (meaning the usefulness) has been extremely demonstrated as useful.
    Mathematics, whether realized by its proponents or not, is actually based upon Definitional Logic and thus is incontrovertibly true as a system and due to extremely numerous examples, has been empirically demonstrated to be rational.
    Anyone contending with mathematics is contending with rationality… and visa-versa.
    ===========================================
    Ape Cock replies:
    No, what Godel thinks he discovers, what I think he means and what I think all this stuff leads to is only one: any system of relationships, any set of Information Relationships, of Reciprocal Relationships and Interactions, any Action – Reaction Set, any system that is essentially talking to itself, that is interacting with itself (exactly like humanity, or a Man Brain or an Observer with the imagined “external” universe) will never be able to ground this system absolutely, definitely, will never be able to find and observe and declare its ultimate fundament: and this is simply because there is no fundament, the system is arbitrary from the outset, the system is a quirk and random and arbitrarily designed or configured system from the outset, not based on anything at all, no matter how hard you try to find some absolute necessity for it to be in the only way it is, no matter how hard you try to find the “God” behind it, no matter what, it is a completely random arbitrary fluke with no deeper necessity to being the way it is than anything else, than any random combination of rocks and sticks you find on any random street on the earth.
    And in essense the very laws of physics, the set of the laws of physics themselves (and the corollary laws of logic, identity, non contradiction), taken as a set of reciprocal necessities and forced interactions, is, when seen from outside of themselves, completely arbitrary, a complete fluke, could have been any other laws at all, have non intrinsic necessity for they being the way they are except for they being as they are by pure random, blind chance.
    In essence, you would have to be on the outside of the universe looking in, you would have to be such a generalized “Observer” to contain all possible Observer designs and all possible universes to be able to find what they all have in “common”, you would have to be a super Observer outside of this or any universe able to see it all and find the common denominator and such: obviously impossible as even with the way our Man Brain is configured (only one possible design amongst 10^10000) and so on ) can only see very little and such: and such a plan falls apart as soon as you consider Observers and Universes (or both together) that don’t follow any logic at all or any random logic where contradictions are ok, identity is iffy and so forth….
    And so it is with the Man Brain, with our own structure as an Observer, as Natural Evolution evolved us, we are totally arbitrary, a totally arbitrary Action – Reaction Set, Reciprocal Information Relationship Set, a totally arbitrary, random fluke Reciprocal Action Reaction Set as to how an arbitrary Observer interacts with an arbitrarily delimited outside world.
    Of course, as usual, I declare “All Contradictions are Operating” when I talk about this stuff, as it all leads to contradictions, as no logic can ever contain it all without falling apart somewhere…
    ===========================================
    Saint Says:
    Just in order to claim that, you have to assume that YOUR “system” or mind frame is capable of being “outside the system” that is your own mind.
    If you want to get into what is or isn’t “real” (which isn’t what he was talking about), you know the real simply by what has affect. Nothing else matters.
    ===========================================
    Ape Head Replies:
    That is why I said “All Contradictions Are Operating”. Whatever. Once you establish definitions and rules of engagements, etc. you do create a kind of local absolute reference system, you create a kind of closed system. But you cannot prove the system from within the system, the system can only “talk to itself” so to say, but can’t “get out of itself to prove itself”. Godel discovered this but couldn’t figure out what he really discovered: in fact no one still really understands that this is the real message of all the Godel stuff and such, I am the only one who has really understood the consequences of his work.
    If I define “AWHEHDD” as a truth statement and invent another “$HTHTRRR” as a truth statement and say the second demonstrates the first (or any other kind of relationship I want), the definitions themselves create the proof, but the proof is only valid in this local universe with these two statements and me hardwiring them to be the way they are. It also implies that the entire universe and all of the universe consists of only these two statements, there is nothing outside of them. But Godel wanted to show that the startements were sufficient and hardwired the truth even considering what is outside: obviously this is not possible because you have trillions of things “Outside” of those two statements.
    You say:
    “being based on simple quantitative counting”
    Counting is just one possible algorithm, and in fact truths don’t even have to be algorithms: take a memory chip with 6 input bits and 4 (or 5 or whatever) output bits and you can program the contents of the memory to express the function of addition between the first 3 input bits and the second 3 input bits (you divide the bits arbitrarily as being 2 sets of 3 bits instead of one set of 6 bits, you delimit them arbitrarily, this is an example of “delimitations”) giving you the addition result as the 4 bit output (but the addition is just the memory content the 6 bits address in reality). But you can decide to program the memory to express the function of multiplication between these of two sets: a 3 bit by 3 bit multiplier giving you the 4 bit output result (notice the old TTL 9344 4 bit by 2 bit multiplier is just a form of compression of the function into fewer gates, if you can’t compress a function into fewer gates just use brute froce and write down the function you want by programming a memory etc.).
    But an interesting thing happens with this memory: you can invent any new operator, like XZX and program the memory in such a way so as to express a new arbitrary and random function by associating the 3 bit XZX 3 bit giving you the 4 bit output according to the values written in the memory. But this new function is not addition or multiplication but some other new abstract function that may have some meaning for a new kind of Observer used to dealing with a world where this function makes snese and is natural just as our addition or multiplication is in ours. Now you can program the memory in 16^64 different ways (all of the possible combinations of the 64 4 bit value outputs: or like just one long number made up of 64 digits each having 16 values), each one expressing a new mathematical function valid for some Observer. Those are more than 10^76 different new functions. But for each of those Observers, he only deals with and uses a few of those trillions upon trillions of possibilities and can create a closed coherent and logically proved world within his universe: but he will never be able to prove it completely as he can’t observe and use all of the other possibilities, hence functions and such.
    Anyways, this is what the problem is …
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    Re: Rationality and Gödel
    Postby James S Saint » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:20 am
    It seems that you are saying that a system cannot claim to know actual truth and yet you ARE a system claiming to know the actual truth of that claim.
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    I believe your phrase “Structural Depression “ is a very apt term. And unlike Quine’s “Web of Belief” metaphor in which a minor peripheral perturbation leaves the deep interior of a web insulated and unaffected, the web of this current economy has some serious structural deficits beyond the traditional cavalier attitude that invokes the “cyclical downturn “explanation.
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  161. adequatio April 23, 2013 at 3:31 pm #

    you’re going to see more and more citizens erupt and get Gitmoed.
    This is paranoid bullshit.
    OK, Mr. Statistician, you say “more and more” implying some have already been Gitmoed. How many? Can you name three? NO! Because only one USA citizen has ever been held at Gitmo, for a short time. Although Yasser Hamdi was born in the USA, he was raised in Saudi Arabia, and Joint Task Force Guantanamo counter-terrorism analysts did not realize he was an American. He was eventually repatriated to Saudi Arabia, provided he agreed to renounce his US citizenship.
    For Christ’s sake, we just had someone in Boston charged with terrorism and use of a “weapon of mass destruction.” He was taken into custody. Will he be Gitmoed? NO!
    He had his Miranda rights read to him and he is singing like a canary. He will be tried in CIVILIAN courts and will either be put to death or sentenced to life in a place like Marion. He will NOT be Gitmoed.
    I swear that supposedly intelligent people like Eleuthero who are spouting paranoid bullshit based on no data ruin this blog.
    Have any Americans been sent to Gitmo intentionally? NO! The one accidental guy, Yasser Hamdi, was a Saudi and the Gitmo guys didn’t realize he had been born in the USA, so he was released upon the condition he renounce his citizenship.
    Gitmo is not for American citizens. Eleuthero is fear mongering with his nonsense posts.

  162. adequatio April 23, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

    ^I swear that supposedly intelligent people like Eleuthero ruin this blog, by spouting paranoid bullshit based on no data. No American citizen has ever been intentionally sent to Gitmo, not even terrorists charged with use of a “weapon of mass destruction.”
    Eleuthero is fear mongering.

  163. ComradeDystopia April 23, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    Vlad & Hancock,
    I don’t like ‘lockdowns’ any more than you do.
    It seems like in Boston it was necessary and short-lived. For all of you who think this was a sort of false flag operation, what about the 8 year old boy who was murdered? The younger terrorist glibly set the bomb down right next to him. In more sane times our history that smirking sonofabitch would be dragged out of his hospital room and hung right now. I don’t know, a few more of these provocations and maybe those days will come back, even in a place like Boston.
    –CD

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  165. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm #

    I don’t know, a few more of these provocations and maybe those days will come back, even in a place like Boston.
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    And maybe it will be you in that hospital room and you’ll be all like “but it wasn’t me, I swear it wasn’t” but by your own wish and advocacy, the mob will tear you limb from limb and I will shake my head, chuckle, and walk away as I mumble “people” to myself.

  166. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

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  167. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

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  168. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    Your absolutely right. And thanks so much for weighing in your two cents in this matter. I for one will sleep better knowing you have a plan to keep safe in Boston…jitbag!

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  170. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    Ummm, ass_ole, the recession ended in ’09 and has been in a systemic recovery since then. Look at real estate and the stock market for proof. Not to mention the fact that unemployment is down, although not to pre-recession levels, to a new low of 7.4%. BTW, thanks for leaving your professor post. Our college kids don’t need anymore of your rambling, nonsensical missives. Too bad the state of California still has to pension your a_ _ off till you do them a favor and croak.

  171. Janos Skorenzy April 23, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    Oh come on, the whole City? It was a trial run for martial law. Yes, perhaps shut down part of Watertown while they look for the guy. But taking people out of their homes at gun point? Either the Constitution means something or it doesn’t. They aren’t treating us like Citizens and they have way more firepower than they need. They expect a Civil War and if they keep on like this, they may get one.

  172. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

    jitbag!
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    Jesus, I nearly choked on my Krabby Patty!! ROFL! I haven’t heard that term in ages. What is it, anyway? Has anyone ever seen one? How would you describe it other than “see BeantownBill?”

  173. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    And on a related, similar note, how much $$$ would the U.S. save by legalizing drugs and freeing the thousands of imprisoned (mostly African American) folks who languish during the most productive years of their lives. I believe I read that about 73% of African American males between the ages of 18 and 45 make up roughly half of the adult prison population. This is unconscionable. The productivity loss alone should be enough to make us reverse this very dangerous course we are on.

  174. Carol Newquist April 23, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    Yep, and I’ll tell you what. I’d even consider using our tax dollars to keep the DEA/ATF and all the prison employees from going poor. All they’d have to do in return is knit all day, and they can wear whatever they want when they’re doing it, even if that’s nothing at all. You don’t want to knit, fine, but you don’t get a pension.

  175. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    It’s probably useful at this point to point out what all C’Fners are most likely wondering: What would carol(newquistdotdotdot) due to prepare for either the coming good times (what I expect) or the possible bad times (which I seriously doubt will happen, despite humanity’s predilection toward ragging on its future). Well, carol (newquistdotdotdot) has some acreage in a rural area which she leases and is attempting a small garden. She has a small cadre of friends and business acquaintances who she can count on during tough times. She has a good supply of greenbacks stashed away, along with a tiny bit of gold and silver, in easy to carry coins (and to tote to town with in a magnificent sequined bag). In the meantime, Carol may be caught skinny dippin in the early evening hours near her neat and tidy, rented, one-room log cabin. A little later, she can be found sitting on her front porch, airing out her loofah, sipping on some fine sassafras tea, blowing on her harmonica. I call it “Early semi-retirement, carolnewquistdotdotdot style”, baby!

  176. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 7:25 pm #

    Sounds good to me, baby! Carol Newquist style justice for all!

  177. Michigan Native April 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    A bit too cynical about human beings. These rare benevolent acts you speak of are usually tantamount to self serving altruism, the “look at me” make yourself feel good inside type.
    Just take some mundane examples from everyday life. Think about this, and be honest. When was the last time you got a call or message on your cell phone from someone that actually didn’t need something? Usually the first words out of their mouths are “I need” and usually it’s money, a favor (for free), or more rarely that they are bored, want attention, etc When something more pleasurable like cage fighting, the super bowl (padded warfare), boxing, car racing (the crashes), or some other form of violence or sex then it’s “I gotta let you go…call you back later”….and of course, they never do, until they next time they need something. Beginning to sound familiar?
    Take a look at the average American house hold. How many times do you remember your father or even yourself handing over the remote control to that soul sucking one eyed babysitter, the television? The alpha male handing over the remote to his wife or children so they can have equal time watching the same garbage (usually sex or violent material) on the television? When pigs fly. (Don’t get me wrong, I still like to watch Bob Probert hockey fights and have my collection of adult material hidden in my porn cave so my nagging wife doesn’t find it), I am just standing outside the insane asylum and looking in and my better part says this is all really fucked up. All I can do is numb my senses and know I am trapped in it as well.
    Personal examples. How many times have you seen or heard of families going after each other’s throats when someone dies and they all want the biggest chunk, if not all, of the estate? My republican Catholic bitch sister from hell. When my father died of cancer 3 months after my first divorce was finalized (that was for selfish reasons on her part, but that’s another story), my sister, who went to med school on a union scholarship, who went on to buy scab papers when the Detroit News workers were being locked out and beaten by local cops and Pinkerton thugs..my father was one of the ones who manned their picket lines and fought them), encouraged nurses to cross the picket lines of unionized nurses who were rightfully striking for more staffing, the slave driving bitch that she is. She goes on to make a triple figure income, and with her snooty husband, who owned a once popular sports memorabilia store (which has since closed..wicked grin…people aren’t interested in autographed shirts, caps, etc from the local ball teams when they can’t pay their rent or put food on their table)were making at least 8 times the income I was making.
    My father dies after a long bout with cancer, I moved back in with him his 2 year battle to make sure he is OK, to run errands for him, to prepare him meals that he couldn’t eat because of cachexia. Although he refused to let anyone take care of him, refused to take his pain meds, he held his own until the end, I was there for him. He managed to get up and vote against Bush in 2000, then slipped into a coma roughly 2 weeks later and passed in his sleep. All that time, my sister was seldom around. Within days of his death, she managed to descend on his house, while I am despondent and aching with pain, still somehow managing to go off to work, she cleans out all of these things they were meant to be given to both of us, while throwing away things my dad made (wood carvings, paintings) that had sentimental value to me. Anything that had value on E-bay was swiped like a thief in the night,I was too distraught to notice or really care, although I did rescue his art work from the dumpster she had in the driveway and salvaged what she considered “garbage”, including pictures from his last fishing trip, which I have framed and cherish to this day.
    After all that, then she wishes to defy my father’s wishes to have a Native (Ojibway) funeral and be cremated. The bitch wanted him to have one of those catholic funerals with a casket. My father was very adamant, he didn’t like the catholic church and said he didn’t want some homosexual or child molestor (referring to what those brainwashed morons call their “priests”) sprinkling “holy water” over him after he died. (My mother was Catholic, my father not….I take after my father. My father loved my mother (I hated her), but he did like to tease her about the church). My bitch sister hid his advance directives about his burial arrangements, which called for an Ojibway arrangement and his cremation. Not trusting my sister, I had a copy of those directives along with a hidden video of him dictating his will, and with this revelation along with a threat to have an injunction filed and her behavior reported to the AMA board of ethics, my father had his real wishes carried out, had an Ojibway funeral, was cremated, and his ashes scattered on the Taquamenon River, where he is once again free to roam as he pleases. The battle of his life was not his cancer, but his last wishes. That is my beloved sister.
    So I fail too see much hope that the “goodness” of mankind will cause us all to come together and help each other through this collapse. If you have read the 5 stages of collapse, you need not look past the latest breaking headlines, or your own personal experiences to know that the last 2 stages will inevitable run their course in the US and around the world. There are no shortages of examples that prove beyond a doubt that social and cultural collapse are happening. Families turning against each other, hoarding, abandoning each other, the latest crazed mass shooting, a kid whose mother wanted him to stop playing violent video games and get out of her house so she could have some fun during her mid life crisis is shot in the head by her own son (the irony is that she bought the guns because she saw the economic collapse and wanted to prepare for it by buying guns and target shooting….she didn’t get past her own son).
    The latest bombings which were either blow back from US foreign policy or an orchestration to get us all used to the idea of martial law, either case an example of the breakdown of order during a collapse that is gaining momentum and causing more minds to snap.
    Again, there are no shortages of evidence, from your personal life, to the present and past history of mankind. If you are honest and objective and not wallow in delusions of denial, you will bow your heads humbly to the truth. We’re fucked. Humans aren’t going to share food with others, let alone their “loved ones”, and those with the biggest and most efficient weapons will rule until they themselves kill each other off.

  178. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

    It’s what Janus pulls off his wanger after a hot and heavy session with his boy, Lucky. Lucky feels the heat but not the wetness!!! LOL, ROTFL!!! Janus ties it off while Lucky breathes a sigh of relief…thus the term…jitbag. You and others are, as always, welcome!

  179. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

    Jeezus! And people pan me for being a terrible writer! You make me look like Henry James!

  180. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    For all of you who think this was a sort of false flag operation, what about the 8 year old boy who was murdered?

    Man, I hate to be harsh, but what about him?
    Get a grip on your emotions brought about by five days in front of the TV watching a highly charged and emotional show, whether the Reality TV was actually real or not is almost immaterial.
    Consider: On the lowborn Plebe and Prole end, what percentage of the sociopathic sick fucks out there wouldn’t bat an eyelash at killing a kid? Doznes murdered every year, even hundreds, in the most horrible ways, sometimes even by their own parents.
    How many Iraqi kids and Afghani kids and Pakistani kids have we diectly killed in the past deacde with drones and gun and bombs and boots on the ground checkpoint slaughters? (not even counting the many more indirect kills from lack of power and infrastructure, clean water,etc.)
    Hundreds? Thousands? Ten thousands? More?
    I know those lives are of little meaning to you. Collateral damage. Subhuman, though you’d never admit it…we each have a reptile brain so to some degree it’s easy for all of us to Dehumanize the Other, sadly, I no different from the rest.
    Now, considering that veritable mountain of murdered kids..murdered by Americans, would you think for moment that would be a problem for a sociopath in uniform (or a Craft Security uniform of black coat, punisher ballcap, khaki pants and big-ass black packpacks. ) wouldn’t follow orders for the greater good?
    Easy peasy. Those Craft Boys, or whoever did it, would be lining up for the chance – LOL – and the phat bonus check.
    Besides, they didn’t know the kid wuz gonna get killed, and, you know, collateral damage.
    Whatever happened, as usual, the Official Story is a lie full of swiss cheese holes hiding right in plain sight and steamrolled by The Narrative and you’d better not bring up any funny questions in public, boy, or people will call the Gestapo on you, or at least flash yourname on over to the local Fusion Center.
    I’d say more, but Google Kraft and the punisher logo and that will get you started.
    Because Obama is in charge right this moment, the Left blogs are silent, and the RW blogs are picking stuff up. See what I mean about the two sides of the marketing equation. I’d never have believed it, but proof is in the seeing.
    LOL, but check it out. Because it’s coming from the RW now, perhaps you’ll be more open-minded.
    NOTE: Just because I am coldly stating some brutal truths about our Global Pathocracy and the Aristocratic Sociopaths who run it, that does NOT mean I am ENDORSING those truths nor am I happy any of this occurred, so kindly don’t twist my words.

  181. Michigan Native April 23, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

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    “The US can no longer afford to fight foreign wars. It just doesn’t have the money. The twin fiascos in Iraq (where only something like 50 people got killed in terrorist attacks on that same day) and Afghanistan (similar story) have cost the country a prodigious amount of money, most of it borrowed, with precious little peace and stability to show for it, and now there are simply no resources for further overseas military adventures. But the US military is a beast that cannot be tamed by anyone—not the President or the Congress—because it is simply too profitable. And so, of necessity, the new venue for military operations will have to be the US itself. There are some inconvenient laws currently on the books that make this difficult but, as the experiment in Boston has shown, they can now be safely ignored.
    Also, we should expect there to be plenty of good excuses for deploying troops on the streets of American cities. There are some nasty financial and commercial disruptions on the horizon, which will result in serious domestic mayhem. For many years now, more and more as time went on, the US has been critically dependent on its ability to print and export US dollars. The dollar is the country’s #1 export. But recently more and more countries have started turning away from the once popular US dollar and entering into bilateral trade agreements based on their own currencies or gold, and this shift is now unmistakeable and quickly running its course. As this happens, the US dollar loses its reserve currency status, and countries shift their reserves out of the dollar and into gold.
    A recent desperate attempt to drive down the price of gold and silver by manipulating the futures markets, and by doing so to prop up the value of the US dollar along with other paper currencies, backfired in a grand fashion, resulting in people across the world snapping up physical gold and silver at what they consider bargain prices, to a point where now many metal sellers are simply out of metal, and buyers face long waits for delivery. Interestingly, there is as yet no mechanism for bidding up the price of physical metal separately from the futures market, which trades something like 100 phantom ounces for each real ounce of metal. A daily auction for all the physical gold and silver available for immediate delivery would be far more honest than this corrupt “mark to paper” scheme.
    Given that more and more people are no longer content with holding mere paper and want to take delivery of their metal, the phantom, paper ounces are not long for this world. When enough people demand to take delivery of them, the futures market will implode, the physical gold price will explode, and the dollar will sink. Normally governments maintain a gold reserve to back the value of their currency, but the US seems to have quietly spent most of its gold already. Nobody knows how little of it is left. And so once the ability to suppress the price of gold by manipulating the futures market is lost, the dollar will go into free-fall. Two immediate effects of the loss of purchasing power of the dollar will be:
    1. Loss of control over interest rates, causing payments on US government debt to swallow the entire budget, in turn causing much of the government to shut down (financial collapse triggering political collapse)
    2. Loss of access to imports, such as well over half of the oil the country burns, shutting down much of the consumer economy (financial collapse triggering commercial collapse)
    The net result will be mayhem, troops on the streets, curfews, checkpoints and travel restrictions. Americans have no recent experience of living under military occupation (the experience of the South in the 1860s is not recent enough to qualify). But now they are going to get a taste of it—at their own hands.
    If you are finding this difficult to absorb, rest assured that your reaction is perfectly normal. Few people find it easy to accept the fact that what was once “their” country is now an empty husk run by thugs and manipulated for personal gain by shadowy puppet-masters who are the ultimate scum of the earth. These are the people who will now govern you, inasmuch as you allow yourself to be governed at all. Saying good-bye to financial security and a comfortable lifestyle is hard enough; saying good-bye to your national identity is even harder. The grieving process is much longer than grieving for a few dead and wounded, regrettable though these casualties are. At the end of this grieving process you come out with your public persona diminished: not a citizen or a patriot but at best a compatriot and at worst someone from a place you don’t wish to return to, hear about or discuss.”
    “And now it’s time for this week’s highly relevant excerpt from The Five Stages of Collapse which, last I heard, is coming off the press tomorrow.”
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    “Financial and commercial collapses are already potentially lethal. People lose their bearings and their sense of purpose, or decide to take advantage of those in distress, or fail simply through an inability to adapt to radically altered circumstances, and when that happens people get hurt. Financial and commercial collapses tend to be hard on those who failed to prepare, by putting aside objects that hold their value when the national currency hyperinflates and banks close and by stockpiling the necessary supplies to tide them over during the uncertain transition period, when the old ways of doing things no longer work but the new ones have not yet evolved. Both of these causes of potentially lethal circumstances can be avoided: first, by choosing the right kind of community; second, by laying in supplies or securing independent access to food, water and energy; and third, by generally finding a way to bide your time and ignore the world at large until times get better.
    Political collapse is a different animal altogether, because it makes the world at large difficult to ignore. The potential for chaos is still there, but so is the potential for organized action of a very damaging sort, because the ruling class and the classes that serve them (the police, the military, the bureaucrats) generally refuse to go softly into the night and allow the people to self-organize, experiment and come together as autonomous new groups adapted to the new environment in their composition and patterns of self-governance. Instead, they are likely to spontaneously hatch a harebrained new plan: an initiative to restore national unity, in the sense of restoring the status quo ante, at least with regard to preserving their own power and privilege, at others’ expense. In a situation where every person and every neighborhood should be experimenting on their own to find out what works and what doesn’t, the politicians and the officials are apt to introduce new draconian crime-fighting measures, curfews and detentions, allowing only certain activities—ones that benefit them—while mercilessly putting down any sign of insubordination. To deflect the blame for their failure, the ruling elite usually also does its best to find an internal or external enemy. Those who are the weakest and the least politically connected—the poor, the minorities and the immigrants—are accused of dragging everyone down and singled out for the harshest treatment. This is conducive to creating a climate of fear and suppressing free speech. But nothing causes people to band together like an external threat, and, for the sake of preserving national unity, a failing nation-state often looks for an external enemy to attack, preferably a weak, defenseless one, so that it poses no risk of reprisal. Putting the nation on a war footing makes it possible for the government to commandeer resources and reallocate them to the benefit of the ruling class, further restrict movements and activities, round up troublesome youths and ship them off to battle and lock up undesirables.
    Financial and commercial collapse creates an opening for those inclined toward the most miserable despotism. Once a despotic regime is established, the weak, demoralized, disoriented population almost inevitably finds itself incapable of rising in opposition to it, and the new despotism may become entrenched and quite durable, lasting for an extended period of time, during which the country is hollowed out and traumatized before collapsing through internecine strife or a battle of succession, or through increasing weakness that causes it to succumb to foreign occupation. The spectrum of possible responses to financial and commercial collapse stretches from despotism to chaos. There is a sweet spot of autonomous, anarchic social cooperation, with many small skirmishes and stand-offs but well short of all-out armed conflict.”
    ——————————————————————————–
    Please order your copy of The Five Stages of Collapse: Survivors’ Toolkit for shipment in May.

  182. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 8:52 pm #

    Google “Craft Security” and punisher logo, to find your way to the pile of photographic evidence already amassed, and other serious issues with The Official Lie)
    (not Kraft)

  183. Shakazulu April 23, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

    “I still think Chicago is a good bet for 9/11 #2.”
    Chicago will go in a mushroom cloud minute. The Endgame you mention is and always has been the same: Population Control. As in reduce and enslave.

  184. carolnewquist... April 23, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

    You’re right, wshancock. It’s because they’re brown and Muslim that people don’t care. One white kid dying more important than 5k Muslim children? Only in America, my friend.

  185. progress4conserving April 23, 2013 at 10:27 pm #

    Thanks for the week’s work, JHK.
    There are two values for gold, one is the “paper” value, and the other is the actual value of the underlying asset. All tradable commodities, including real estate and oil – have two values.
    Normally, the paper value and the “actual” value of assets are relatively equal. But they can diverge dramatically. And paper value can change with amazing speed, while actual value changes much more slowly.
    What has happened in gold these past few weeks has been rapid change in paper values. And physical gold in retail level quantities ALWAYS trades at a premium to the paper value, anyway.
    And right now that premium is higher than it was before all of these price swings started. Additionally, there are some seeming unusual “shortages?” in physical gold for retail delivery, even here in the US.
    In summary – don’t crack your golden egg while the goose is still alive, or somethig like that.
    My spellchecker is disabled, so ignore errors.

  186. progress4conserving April 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm #

    “…how come the two aforementioned major newspapers published front-page stories calculated to justify, if not provoke, the most extreme negative sentiment in the precious metals markets.” -jhk-
    How come, indeed, JHK.
    The news media in this country is bought, sold, and shipped down the river to the rendering plant.
    Whether this is an intentional conspiracy (and a lot of it is, IMHO) or just Corporate America buying out the opposition –
    Either way, we’re done for, if we are waiting for the news media to help us. I had hopes for the internet coming to the rescue – but looking at CFN as a microcosm shows that that was a false hope.
    Witness the actions of the Troll Trilogy (“carol…,” “Carol,” and “adequatio..asoka) to watch how easy it is to manipulate and foul up a single public forum.

  187. progress4conserving April 23, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    “..you moron, and quit using up valuable server space with your redundant offerings, you racist piece of filth.”
    – The Troll Trilogy –
    Let me repost the video that the Troll Trilogy posted and Janos reposted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8&feature=player_embedded
    It’s disturbing to watch, no doubt.
    And, no doubt, civilian law enforcement in the US is too militarized, and getting more so. And, no doubt, there were a BUNCH of guys in the Boston “lockdown” who were having the time of their lives – and enjoying the Hell out of implementing all of their expensive and demanding SWAT training.
    But, two points need to be made:
    1. Cops, like everybody else, deserve their best chance to go home alive at the end of every shift. Standard protocals for YEARS, for civilian groups that might harbor one or more individuals who pose a threat – have been to do exactly what those door-to-door SWAT cops in Boston did in that video.
    (Think about helicopter views of the Columbine HS shooting as the school was being secured. Assholes #1 and 2 (klebold and what’s-his-name) were deader than hell, already, but Colorado LEO’s were bringing out all the student survivors on the run, with survivor hands in the air.)
    2. This show of force in Boston was pretty impressive, BUT, would it work in the case of a large scale problem. If we were to have a redo of the Watts riots, for example – would a bunch of MRAPS and SWAT teams be able to stop it?
    3. If that video (which EVERYBODY needs to watch, btw) went viral – and the civilians being manhandled were black or (ala forbid) brown and Muslim – how would it be being played in the US press right now. How about in the International press?

  188. progress4conserving April 23, 2013 at 11:41 pm #

    “The wise individual course of action and attitude is to prepare for both good and bad scenarios. But when has this ever been different?”
    – bill of Boston –
    Nice post, Bill. I’d argue with you about whether air filters would be much help against airborn toxins/radiation/whatever – but the rest of your post is spot on.
    And I’m 50+ miles and upwind from any likely concentration of airborn dangers – I might think differently if I were in your more urban shoes.
    Or, are those urbane shoes?
    I doubt it. But who knows for sure.
    My spell checker won’t tell me, at any rate.

  189. WSHancock1864 April 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

    Funny.
    The tepid words-that-say-nothing-new-age-bullsh1t of Bill’s and your equally tepid response is laughable.
    Keep trying to analyze with Conventional Wisdom. Works as well now as it ever did.
    Keep tepidly conciliating, dithering, and equivocating, responding to trolls and new age fluffery.
    It’s a perrty steep curve we’re on, as we tread to what is now pretty much inevitable, 9/11 #2 and WWIII (or it’s cyber-equivalent since the fuel budget’s tightening), so it’s not surprising you’d fall off.
    Keep trying, guy. It’s just like the TV says and anyone who asks any questions at all is obviously looney-tooney and not worthy of dignifying with an answer.
    As with 9/11 #1, this occurred close to the start of Obama’s 2nd term, which like Bush the Stupid now he has most all of 4 years to finish the job of Penultimate Transformation which will make Boston look like a kindergarden rugby scrum (bof of good cheer for it will all take place on paper beneath the surface wioth plenty of plausible deniability for you to pathetically cling to) and get us ready to be Good Corpzis or suffer the consequences.
    And do keep conversing with Beansie, the inconsequential frippery and lack of substance is amusing, though not as amusing as when you “get down to brass tacks” and show how serious you are.
    Like I said…funny.

  190. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 12:02 am #

    Witness the actions of the Troll Trilogy (“carol…,” “Carol,” and “adequatio..asoka) to watch how easy it is to manipulate and foul up a single public forum.
    Liar. Asoka no longer posts here. The Carols have made a few posts. I made a few. There is no “triology” trying to foul up or manipulate CFN.
    You just want to start up a new fight this week “witness the actions.” indeed. I am not putting up with any more of your racist bullshit, Mr. Southern Militia Man from a slaveholder family.
    Why you are starting this up again this week, I don’t know, but bring it on. I made one post on gold to Budizwiser, one on the symbol AU to Lucky 13, and one reply (with a correction) on Gitmo to Eleuthero.
    You are falsely conflating three separate posters into an imaginary “trilogy” and falsely saying their is some kind of intention to manipulate or foul up. There is no proof of that. Unless you want this week to end up like last week, stop the false flag operation you are conducting.

  191. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 12:07 am #

    There is no endgame, and as far as I can tell, and no population control agenda, or at least not one with any teeth. The only countries that really have falling population are the advanced democracies (primarily) and there is no organized campaign that caused this effect. It is simply the fact that as women become more affluent, having babies, or at least a lot of them, becomes less of a priority, and access to birth control allows them to control this. Many large organizations welcome additional people onto planet, including the Catholic Church, schools who want to enroll them when they come of age, and corporations who want to sell things to them. And if there is a depopulation agenda, I’d hardly call this a sinister idea. Humans are in massive resource imbalance with the earth, and our current numbers are certainly not sustainable. Adding even more people than are already here doesn’t seem like the greatest idea to me.
    No, the way I look at it, most of our predicaments come out of more or less noble goals, which is part of the whole quandary. In other words, the advancement of civilization leads to longer lives, cures to diseases, better sanitation, and all the rest. Who could argue that these benefits are not positive to them personally? We pursue cures for cancer, heart disease, and other killer ailments. But it is a double edged sword. Technological progress allows to do great things but it has also divorced us from the underpinnings of our successes, namely extraction of non-renewable resources from the earth, the takeover of much of the natural world with associated extinction epidemics, and so-called external effects, like global warming.
    But I don’t think there’s some overall evil agenda driving this. People’s main desire is living better, more prosperous, longer, and more comfortable lives. To some extent, we all share in these goals. Our failure is mainly in failing to recognize the systemic effects that our striving has on the health of the earth itself (or the biosphere if you want to be technical about it) and considering this a secondary or even non-existent concern compared to our pursuit of happiness.
    It really is a big Catch-22, and all our cultural sensors are arrayed against realizing that we are embedded into a natural system with which we sink or swim. We simply can’t recognize that this is the case. That’s why I think humanity is ultimately a tragic and probably, in the long run, doomed species. We will likely take down the whole planet in our quest to be better, thinking the whole time our goals are laudable and noble.

  192. lucky 13 April 24, 2013 at 12:15 am #

    10,000? murders a year? Or 5000?
    Yes those 2 immigrants killed 4, then the younger killed the elder.

  193. emmar1arichy April 24, 2013 at 12:16 am #

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  194. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 12:16 am #

    Yeah, well –
    You may be right – about the Conspiracy.
    I may be right-about the triumph of “Capitalism?”
    I can hold it in my mind that you may be right.
    Can you hold it in your mind that I might be?
    Please reflect before answering, HC.
    ========================
    And as regards Bill, in my view Jewish Tribalism (like a LOT of other things) was something that once served a valuable purpose – which the increasingly rapid pace of “PROGRESS??” has turned into something seriously, seriously counterproductive.
    To elaborate – something like 50%+ of the real neocon and neolib movers and shakers driving US policy are Jewish. We can argue that that’s because of the intelligence and game-playing intincts of a subset of the Jewish people.
    You, Hancock, have tried to blame Bill, individually, for the actions of this subset of Jews. That’s crazy, like blaming me because George BushII was an ostensible white Christian.
    I (and I believe I speak for “enough” white Christians to make a difference) – can repudiate the actions of Bush, or any other crazy white or crazy Christian.
    Can Bill (and “enough” Jews) repudiate the actions of crazy Jews who make up that huge (50% is a guess, maybe a high guess) group of neo-cons and neo-libs driving US policy into madness.
    That remains to be seen.
    Bill repudiated the actions of the Jewish idiot* responsible for destroying the Sierra Club on immigration and population growth.
    http://www.susps.org/
    * Bill’s term – not mine.
    So – maybe – there is hope.

  195. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    “Unless you want this week to end up like last week, stop the false flag operation you are conducting.”
    – the Troll Trilogy, proving itself as asoka..-
    Every week that has asoka..dequatio involved on CFN ends up like every other week.
    You and the rest of the Troll Trilogy are responsible, soker hose.
    Perhaps YOU should try not responding to ME.
    That would be a first, asoka…

  196. lucky 13 April 24, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    ‘in the long run, doomed species’
    In the LONG run all species go extinct.
    Mans been here a million? years, 500,000? 400,000?

  197. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    I just told you I am going to respond every time you chime in each week with imaginary posters who form an imaginary trilogy with an imaginary intention to “manipulate and foul up.”
    As I said in the past two days I made three posts, all replies relevant to JHK’s post this week. Now you start in with your stupid hypothesis again. But I am not going to let it slide. Either you let go, cease and desist with your derogatory hypothesis, or we are going another 700 off-topic posts. You decide. You started it this week. Back off.

  198. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 12:40 am #

    “Either you let go, cease and desist with your derogatory hypothesis, or we are going another 700 off-topic posts. You decide. You started it this week. Back off.”
    – asoka, proving his OCD-ness, making threats –
    It’s you, asoka…
    HAHAHHAHAHAHAH! HA!
    This is exactly like your original threatening statement over a year ago that I must “let stand” your irrational, self-defeating statement that, “There is no limit to the number of people we can love.”
    You are OCD, asoka…
    And you think you own the CFN thread.
    Don’t swim, Sea Kelp.

  199. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 12:43 am #

    I think I’m going to bed.
    But I’ll be back.
    You better post a lot, soaker.
    And don’t forget to call me racist, a lot.
    Thus proving most of my points.

  200. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 12:50 am #

    And we’re off! You have just successfully derailed the comment thread. As I said, I made three posts in the past two day, all relevant posts of direct replies to Budiswizer, Lucky 13, and Eleuthero.
    But you couldn’t let it be. You could not take Ozone’s advice to just ignore my posts and scroll past, instead of making unfounded accusations in an attack on three separate contributors: myself and the two Carols (I don’t include Asoka because he no longer posts here.)
    But no, you could not let it be. You decided to invoke the ridiculous idea of a “triology” and provoke response with an imaginary hypothesis of an intention to “manipulate” and “foul up” which ironically is exactly what YOU are doing this week.
    I’ll give you one more chance. Apologize to the Carols and to me, and then let it go. Cease and desist with your derogatory hypothesis, or we are going another 700 off-topic posts. You decide. You started it this week. Back off. I will defend myself if you choose to continue derailing the dialog into a non-relevant post-fest.

  201. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 12:50 am #

    In spite of the entertainment value of WS Hamhock’s paranoid ravings and animosity-filled ranting, it would still behoove CFNers to make decisions based on real evidence derived from facts, not on opinions.
    It really is too bad that this blog has been invaded by cockroaches. And they bite, as I got newquisted (or more accurately, newquisted…), as well as Procon, Ix and several others. Hamhock is a nasty pisser as well. Even though their clumsy attempts at disparagement are merely humorous, I refuse to communicate with them. Why waste my time on that crap?
    What is more important is to discuss the issues facing our society. Let’s continue doing that.

  202. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    “We will likely take down the whole planet in our quest to be better, thinking the whole time our goals are laudable and noble.”
    -turk-
    So, turk, do you conclude that the high population growth of the United States due to immigration is part of a laudable, noble goal?
    Or is it a capitalist “conspiracy?” to bring more mouths and more hands into the United States – simply to maximize the sacred “Growth?”
    I’d ask asoka..and the Troll Trilogy – but one or all of them would just call me racist for even asking the question.
    o. c. d, right?

  203. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 1:03 am #

    “I’ll give you one more chance. Apologize to the Carols and to me, and then let it go.”
    – the Troll Trilogy –
    Oh, I’m sorry. I’m really a racist. We can love limitless people, billions, all the time. Asoka no longer posts here as Adequatio. The “carols” and soak are different posters. You are not OCD to the max. And you, soaker, and carol and carol.. are wonderful additions to the main body of James Howard Kunstlers work. If this thread were moderated, there is NO WAY you would be ignored or banned.
    Sarcasm now off.

  204. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 1:07 am #

    First, Procon, you need to define what you consider “movers and shakers”. Then we need to both agree on that definition. If we don’t agree, we need to discuss those differences until we arrive at a mutually agreeable definition.
    But if we do agree on the definition, you need to obtain a list of all the neolib and neocon movers and shakers in America and see what percentage of them are Jewish. If that percentage is 50 or over, then you have some kind of point, which we can further discuss. If it’s a significantly lower percentage, then your statement is inaccurate. I know it might be impractical to spend the time and energy gathering up all the names, but until you do, you are only stating your opinion, which is not something based on facts.

  205. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    Very good point.

  206. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 1:09 am #

    Honestly, I think most immigration is driven by the desire of businesses for access to cheap labor. Do I find that laudable? I don’t know, not really. But, then again, I don’t think that what happens in the US makes or breaks the entire world either. I believe the trajectory is pretty much set, and whether or not a few million more people settle down in good old US and A will ultimately not make much of a difference.
    The driving force of climate change, for instance, while in the past having been almost solely based on the carbon output from rich countries, will shift to China and probably India and Brazil. There is nothing we can do to stop this, barring a complete change of course, and from what I tell, it won’t happen. These countries plan on reaching prosperity through the same means as us, namely burning lots and lots of carbon resources. Whether or not a few million more Mexicans come into the United States will have no effect on this.

  207. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 1:12 am #

    I don’t see humanity in its current high energy and resource use form lasting more than a few thousand more years, at best, or at least our population will be drastically reduced, by natural pressures. Industrial civilization, having only been around maybe 150 years, is not really a sustainable model. It is destroying the planet. So, yes, species go extinct. But do they take the rest with them? Not generally, but this is exactly what we’re doing. I think we’re simultaneously too smart and too dumb for our own good, if that makes any sense.

  208. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 1:19 am #

    Well – you held open the possibility in an earlier post that growth might cease in other countries as a result of prosperity, etc.
    While we in the US are about to INCREASE our population growth due to immgration “reform.”
    US at 400,000,000?
    US at 700,000,000?
    At some point we have an impact, turk.
    And destroy human life on the planet.
    Survivors in the US will probably die last.
    If that’s any consolation.

  209. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 1:33 am #

    Look, Bill, I admitted 50% was probably high.
    “…obtain a list of all the neolib and neocon movers and shakers in America and see what percentage of them are Jewish. If that percentage is 50 or over, then you have some kind of point, which we can further discuss.”
    -btb-
    But what if it’s 40%?
    Or even 30%?
    Even if it’s 20%, it’s still far higher that the percentage of Jews in the US population, right?
    And if those folks can’t be crticized, because of the possiblility of accusations of antisemitism, or anti Zionism.
    And if regular, mainstream Jews won’t vocally and publically criticism them either, because they are Jewish – and will not criticize them as vociferously as mainstream white/Christian/etc people criticized Bush, for example.
    Then we (all of us) citizens of the United States are heading toward an existential problem.
    And I don’t want to quibble over that concept of a problem either – we both know it exists, too.

  210. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 2:39 am #

    o. c. d, right?
    ==========
    More provocation, completely off-topic, derailing the discussion. You have become the resident impediment you accused Asoka of being.
    OCD?
    P4C, are you licensed to diagnose via internet?

  211. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 2:42 am #

    The “carols” and soak are different posters. You are not OCD to the max. And you, soaker, and carol and carol.. are wonderful additions
    ==============
    And you have taken a stick and batted the wasp nest, completely derailing the discussion and impeding meaningful dialog.

  212. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 2:52 am #

    These countries plan on reaching prosperity through the same means as us, namely burning lots and lots of carbon resources. Whether or not a few million more Mexicans come into the United States will have no effect on this.
    ==============
    The issue is GLOBAL overpopulation. Immigration is irrelevant. Movement across a national border (whether emigration or immigration) does not change the GLOBAL population level (which must be reduced, especially in the high energy consuming developed countries).
    Debating national immigration policy week after week, as P4C does, is a red herring (ignoratio elenchi).

  213. Eleuthero5 April 24, 2013 at 5:43 am #

    Buck,
    Thanks for the kudos about my “structural depression” term. We’re a dying empire and, especially if you read my piece about the bullshit “economy” in Silicon Valley about the repackaging of failed business forecasting and artificial intelligence concepts under new labels so as to produce nonsense “products” … it redoubles my contention that we have an essentially FICTITIOUS economy where we have to present the marginal to useless as “vital”.
    Thanks again.
    E.

  214. Eleuthero5 April 24, 2013 at 5:46 am #

    You are an economic nincompoop if you think the stock market is a surrogate for anything other than Fed stimulus going straight into speculation. However, since I already know you to be a complete imbecile I am being redundant.
    More than three-quarters of all new jobs pay $25K per year OR LESS even at the anemic levels of the last quarter. Why don’t you leave your fucking cave once in a while and talk to RETAILERS and ask them is business is good. No, you won’t do that because you’re afraid of the truth.
    E.

  215. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 8:06 am #

    I can live quite comfortably on just under $13k per year in my semi-retirement. Jobs at $25K would be almost double my salary! It’s a matter of assessing one’s wants/needs. It is why I continue my meme that Westerners (Americans) need to focus on not over consuming their share of the Earth’s bounty. Our Mother (Earth) can only continue to provide for us if we realign our over-consumptive American lifestyles. Become one with Mother Earth, scale down, rediscover Samsara and your inner spirituality.

  216. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 8:09 am #

    Life is all about becoming One with the Journey.

  217. WSHancock1864 April 24, 2013 at 10:27 am #

    You, Hancock, have tried to blame Bill, individually, for the actions of this subset of Jews. That’s crazy, like blaming me because George BushII was an ostensible white Christian.

    No, I didn’t, you mealy-mouthed, pseudoconcilitory asshole. I did nothing of the sort and you know it.
    Not even close and now you’re doubling down like Hannity?
    Boy, you must be desperate for anything to toss at me, to go to that nonsensical and disproven well one more time.
    It’s all there for anyone who was watching it unfold or who cares to waste their time going back and reading it.
    I’m not Beans. And unlike Beans, not only didn’t I say that which you are accusing of, during the same thread I qualified and dithered so as to make it repetitively crystal clear, the opposite of that which you accuse me.
    Assh0le.
    Forget it, it’s too late in the game. Too late to dither and qualify and give bullsh1tty lip-service to the he-said/she-said False Equivalency.
    So sorry, guy, you have as much chance with the weight of trend and evidence of being right, as the Global Warming Deniers do. About 0.01% or less.
    So yeah, mealy-mouth, you have a chance that you’re right (we’ll know by 2030 surely). It’s just a really really REALLLLY small chance.
    There, I dithered and mealied for you, OK?
    And yes, you brought the converstion back to the Zionism argument when I did not. I merely mentioned that Bill made with the substance-less new agery fluff and you jumped right on it as brilliant.
    As a result of the Straw Man you tried to hit me back with, THAT is what hijacked the thread and turned the topic to Zionism.
    But obviously you were desperate to hit back, so you reached for what you needed. Classic “Fox News” doubledown! Damn the reality, full steam ahead!
    Again you comically prove my point. Everybody’s got a reptile brain inside of us, and it reacts harshly and even desperately when threatened.
    Now, double down again! What else can reptile do? It must fight and survive, must it not?
    And remember, believe the TV…always. Questioning the Official Story is lunacy and should be reported to the nearest Fusion Center.

  218. lucky 13 April 24, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    ‘Liar. Asoka no longer posts here. The Carols have made a few posts. I made a few. There is no “triology” trying to foul up or manipulate CFN.’
    Whats ‘a few’? 100-300 a week?
    Whoever ‘the entity’ really is, its a f***** up
    person.
    DoD spammer?
    Please people, do not reply to RI.

  219. shorty April 24, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    0.01% or less?
    Here are the facts, dummy. As little as 15,000 years ago all of Canada, New York City, parts of Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Great lakes was covered with a 1.5 mile thick sheet of ice. We then entered what is called an “interglacial” respite which is now ending. Best science indicates glaciation will return and so will the 1.5 mile thick sheet of ice in the next 15,000 years. Humans have undeniably overpopulated and polluted the planet…..but they have little to do with “global warming” which is natural interglacial phenomena which is about to reverse.

  220. stelmosfire April 24, 2013 at 11:36 am #

    This one’s for you Vlad,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHhqV_QhzE
    The old get old, and the young get stronger.
    May take a week, and it may take longer.
    They got the guns, but we got the numbers.
    Gonna win yeah, we’re taking over.
    Come on!

  221. stelmosfire April 24, 2013 at 11:58 am #

    Those two assholes in Boston were real wizards. Pressure cookers and flash powder from firecrackers, really?. I feel for the dead, injured, and family of all involved. If those two dopes had even half a brain between them they could have done some serious damage. I’m glad the two brothers didn’t know shit. They will try to give the surviving brother the death penalty with all the drawn out and appeals bullshit. We don’t have the death penalty in Mass. I say send him to the pen general population and let the thugs take care of justice for free Jeffry Dahmer style.

  222. Tancred April 24, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    I consider myself a fairly understanding person, but yesterday’s boo-hoo opinion piece in the NYT about the plight of young immigrants and how hard it is for them to adapt to our country left me cold. It was as if the only reason such immigrants go all jihad is because of our intolerant culture, or some kind of mysterious “oppression.” Heck, that Dzhokhar kid had a dorm room at UMASS campus. He was not being oppressed. Having heard and seen his parents, I think it’s high time that we acknowledge the tragedy of religious indoctrination and tribal culture. How many child brides, genital mutilations, sexist laws and practices, must we “tolerate?”

  223. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    This place (CFN) is like a teenager’s dream – claques and clique feuding with one another. How childish. Maybe it is time for all of us to grow up?

  224. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 12:13 pm #

    My wife and I were saying the same thing. She is pretty adamant about us not paying our share of the $40,000 per year his incarceration will cost the taxpayers. Let the other inmates have their fun.

  225. ozone April 24, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    As yourself, MichiganNative, Hancock, wardoc, Cavepainter and a couple others (apologies from a space-case) have vainly tried to point out, Cassandra-s are doomed to be ignored as Nemesis sweeps before it all who would dare defy it. (Witness the Koch Bros. Inc. latest gambit to buy more propaganda outlets for their hubristic chicanery; covering for manipulations of opinion to increase and cement their power centers.)
    And now, we have an actual paid opposition to play whack-a-mole to any Cassandra perceived to have gleaned a nugget of truth about our predicaments. I understand that you’re simply trying to point out how mendaciously WRONG these oppositional, distractionary mercenaries are, but it doesn’t seem to reduce the volume of the river of sewage they’re putting out; in fact, it seems to encourage more (after all, it’s a new fake “industry” they’re making their cake off of).
    What to do? The only thing I can think of, is to make careful note of their peculiar and particular styles. They will pop up elsewhere in service of the same masters, and as horrors multiply, they’ll become bolder. Safety guarantees will be voided for ALL in such times. (More dangerous for us hippie-weirdos goaded into wakefulness, but, ultimately? So what? Hubris then becomes its’ own equalizer and luck will have a lot to do with whose number comes up.)

  226. ComradeDystopia April 24, 2013 at 12:30 pm #

    “Maybe its time we all grew up”–BTBill
    You said it, Bill. The problem is, unlike yourself, P2C, Ozone and others, who stick to the subject, many here have their own agenda, which is to muck things up as much as possible with their own private manias. Example: Adequidecio and Carol Newquist carrying on a conversation when they are the same person. Remember Billy Idol’s tune ‘Talking to Myself’? And I don’t know what Vlad’s deal is. The internet is full of white supremacist sites. Why he shows up here I don’t know.
    Suddenly, in the business media, I’m reading ‘Economic Cloud Darkens’. Apparently there are problems in China, which might spread. No matter. This morning our State U announced the construction of a $100 million on-campus spa, where boys and girls can hook up and work out . State Govt. seems to be immune to conditions in the real world.
    Bill, have you commented on last weeks events in Boston? Were you nearby. I’d like to hear your take on what happened.
    –CD

  227. ComradeDystopia April 24, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

    And I have to add I cannot get the picture of 8 year old Martin Richard out of my head. When the younger Chechen placed the bomb on the ground right next to the boy, do you think he looked him in the eye? Did he even notice the kid standing there, waiting for his dad? I read a lot about the old west. There was quite a bit of violence, but any violence against kids, including Indian kids, warranted immediate hanging no questions asked.
    Yes I know, the Constitution. Does anybody give a shit about the Constitution anymore? How many people have read it? Alexander Hamilton made a quip once saying the Constitution would work as long as the Country stayed small and the population relatively educated and literate. Is that the case now? Didn’t the younger Chechen take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution when he became a citizen in 2011?
    –CD

  228. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    A few this week, before P4C derailed things.

  229. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    –P4C to Adequatio
    Thank you, P4C.
    Apology accepted.

  230. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    Adequidecio and Carol Newquist carrying on a conversation when they are the same person.
    We are not the same person. Your post is a distraction.
    Do you even know what “adequatio” means?

  231. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    Let the other inmates have their fun.
    ==========
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq1nmMOzjSs
    Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot; you’re Jewish. My bad. Point still remains. You do reside in Puritan country, afterall, so, when in Rome……

  232. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    I used to live on Commonwealth Avenue near Boston College, and sat on my 3rd floor balcony watching the runners pass by very close to me.
    It was always good times on marathon day; I guess you had to live there or attend the race to see how much fun it was. I know the marathon will continue on, but I’m not sure whether the next one will be carefree. That’s another toll the asshole brothers foisted upon us.
    I didn’t attend this year, so I wasn’t personally impacted. However, we have a good friend who judges Irish folk dance competitions. Remember the 8 year old boy who was one of the three people killed? Well, my friend’s former dance pupil is now an Irish dancing instructor. One of her own pupils was the sister of the 8 year old boy. The little girl and her mother were standing at the finish line next to the brother. The little girl lost her leg and the mother had to have brain surgery. The family was destroyed, basically.
    My friend’s former pupil naturally was all broken up about it, and unloaded a lot of her grief onto my friend, her former teacher. He got pretty upset, as he knew the family well, and
    needed some consolation, so we went out to supper with him earlier in the week. We ate and drank and actually had him laughing. The whole week here was actually a lot like after 9/11. We all went about our business (those that stayed open), but an air of unreality hung over us all; we were shell-shocked, I think.

  233. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    The whole Boston bombing popular response undermines the CFN dogma that social breakdown leads to lawlessness, chaos, and a Hobbesian war of all against all. Git yer’ guns, gold, and ammo now to save yerselves!
    If you read accounts of what actually happened after the bomb went off you see the truth. People care about each other. People risked their own lives to save the lives of others. People self-organized and took extraordinary steps to save the lives of the injured. Sorry, CD. It has been proven again that there is no limit to the number of people we can love.
    USA! Boston Strong! Semper Fi!

  234. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    It is clear they do not seek the treasures.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPjhEsZr8Nw
    O Brother Where Art Thou!
    Don’t forget, fellow treasure seeker, we are one in the spirit, we are one in the lord, so it’s not entirely true that we’re not the same person. That’s part of the treasure.

  235. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    My friend’s former pupil
    =========
    I’m sorry to hear your friend lost their eye. Did they get a glass replacement, or do they where a patch like a pirate?
    http://uk-img1.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/602/product-7755602.jpg

  236. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

    And a further comment: the news media bombarded the airwaves constantly, all day, every day. All regular tv programming was blacked out. The media had a grand, jolly time, I think. The news tv producers had a week-long orgasm.
    Every rumor was indiscriminately reported. The media’s excuse for this was that the story was fast-breaking so there wasn’t time to investigate all reports coming in. Naturally, this resulted in even more news announcements as newscasters corrected the inaccuracies later.

  237. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm #

    LOL! Yes, all is one in spirit, but we have different ISPs and are not physically the same person on the relative plane.
    You are right that about: “Do not seek the treasure.” That is the message of the direct path..

  238. ComradeDystopia April 24, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Ok Bill, thanks for that.
    –CD

  239. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

    Bean, I know you’re a believer in guns but not Christ. Still, I believe this beautiful young lady’s message will help you heal your rented heart. Love, Bean, don’t judge and damn. And please, don’t dishonor this young lady by masturbating to her image. That’s not love, Bean.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY

  240. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    Ok Carol, thanks for that.
    =========
    Wow!! You’re welcome. First an apology from Georgia Militia Man, and now a thank you from you. Hell must be freezing over. I’ll take it where I can get it. Keep it coming, my friends, keep it coming. I love youse guys. Really, I do.

  241. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    Hey Bean, can you tell us what you had for breakfast this morning? We’d really like to know. It’d help us to get to know you better. Afterall, you are what you eat, and from the sounds, and looks of it, you’ve been eating a lot of shit lately.

  242. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    Yes most of life is shit but the very fact that you hate it shows that you are above it. It sounds like you have no real friends right now – a situation that is not rare. A man who is working full time doesn’t have much time. He puts all his emotional eggs in his marriage basket and usually that doesn’t work. Women come out of divorces much better because they don’t do this – among other reasons like the law being in their favor. Favor type friends are alright as long as they reciprocate – and you know that they are not deep friends.
    In my experience, alot of women are exactly the low level psychopaths such as your sister. My sister tried to get me to help her get my brother cut out of the will. Then later she forgot she had done this and was telling me how she fought for his rights – trying to show me how little she cared about money. She cares about little else. But oh yes, appearances! I can identify with your funeral situation. Who cares what the deceased wanted as long as she gets to dress up in front of the relatives who hardly knew her father. Glad you were able to honor your father by stopping her.
    You have to understand that families very tremendously. The great Environmentalist and curmudgeon Edward Abbey came from a violent alcoholic clan and thought as you do. But when he married his last wife he found out that her family really loved each other. He was amazed but gladly so. He knew he had been wrong. I heard a poignant story from the Jim Jones Cult. One of the few survivors, a Black Man, had survived by playing dead. He later said that he had known Jim Jones was a fraud but he needed the love the Commune gave. He had grown up as a hustler and was amazed when he came across this on the streets of Oakland. He felt like the biggest fool of all time. But what a price he had to pay for this “love”. But it shows how deep the need is and perhaps how seldom it is found.
    My family didn’t have it but they weren’t psychopaths either – except for my sister. At least it sounds like you had something real with your father.

  243. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    but we have different ISPs and are not physically the same person on the relative plane.
    ============
    You’re dropping this on me now? We didn’t discuss this in the planning meeting. You know I don’t like surprises. I don’t do improvisation well. I guess I’ll have to wing it as best I can. Next time I’d like a heads up if you don’t mind.

  244. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    “–P4C to Adequatio
    Thank you, P4C.
    Apology accepted.”
    – The Troll Trilogy, adequat..asoka version-
    That was not an apology, as you well know – since it was clearly delineated at the end of the post as, “Sarcasm now off.”
    “…so it’s not entirely true that we’re not the same person.” – The Troll Sister –
    You said a mouthful there, Troll Sister.
    ========================
    And Adequatio..asoka is going to keep on until someone defines “adequatio” for him.
    It’s a Latin word that translates roughly as “corrosponds” or “matches.”
    Please use “adequatio” in a sentence, p4c.
    OK, I will. Thanks for asking.
    The CFN poster “adequatio” adequatio to a permanent Troll here at CFN, where he is one member of the Troll Trilogy.

  245. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    New Hampshire Rep thinks it was a Black Op. There was a lot of strange things going on – and a Saudi Arabian suspect who was simply released – like the whole Bin Ladin family after 9/11.
    http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130424/GJNEWS_01/130429646
    Your wife is Irish? Many Jews marry gentile women the 2nd time around after having done their duty with a Jewish woman the first time.

  246. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 1:59 pm #

    Once served a valuable pupose? The fact that 50% of the movers and shakers are Jewish shows that it is working quite well – from their point of view. And to control something – like our Nation -that’s far more than enough. Whites who want to get ahead have to play ball with them. And never criticize. Thus the Wars will continue as will mass immigration to reduce us to a minority.

  247. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Yeah, everything about the Boston situation, from the fouled up investigation of the bomber by the FBI, to the news coverage and the aftermath this week has been greatly disturbing.
    “Carol’s” nasty sniping at Beantown fits right into this pattern, btw.
    And then we have this, to you, CD:
    “The whole Boston bombing popular response undermines the CFN dogma that social breakdown leads to lawlessness, chaos, and a Hobbesian war of all against all.” – the Troll Trilogy –
    I’ve been on CFN three years, and I’ve never seen one single poster argue that Americans are not extraordinaryly helpful to each other in times of physical danger and quick catastrophe.
    That has never been questioned.
    What is questioned – is whether Americans (or any other large disparate human group) would be able to maintain that egalitarian helpfulness in times of overcrowding, hunger, thirst, and collapse of civil (or military) law and order.
    Human nature argues against this.
    “This time it’s different?”
    yeah – OK.
    Why?

  248. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

    I just don’t see a vast sinister conspiracy being required to create a couple of small-scale explosives made from pressure cookers. A few moderately knowledgeable, well-motivated actors could easily have pulled it off without any outside involvement what-so-ever. And that appears to be what happened. There is no need to introduce further players, when the facts as they stand describe the situation adequately. Nothing that you wrote is at all convincing, by the way. The statement of a NH government official carries no weight, compared with law enforcement investigators, especially if there is no evidence supporting it. And I have no idea about the SA suspect, but it seems to be pretty clear that he isn’t the guy. Again, I’m not allergic to conspiracies, and many political events do have a lot of peripherally associated, behind-the-scenes players, but it seems to me right now that there is no evidence for this here. One of the brothers attached himself to a cause that promotes and executes these kinds of acts, and so as a true believer, he did the same, and he took his brother along on the ride. It is overly complicated to then suppose that there was some US government involvement, because their motivations and the means by which they executed their plan are adequately explained by the available facts.

  249. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    So no Democratic component there? No desire for more voters and clients for Social Services? Just Republican? It’s both Turk, a marriage made in hell. But now the Republicans have realized that went in for short term gains while the Democrats were in it for the long haul. If those Mexicans are amnestied, it’s game over for the Republicans at the Federal Level.

  250. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    “The fact that 50% of the movers and shakers are Jewish”
    Oh, this is a fact now? Laughable…

  251. progress4conserving April 24, 2013 at 2:26 pm #

    “…I qualified and dithered so as to make it repetitively crystal clear, the opposite of that which you accuse me.” -hc-
    You did do that, Hancock, you certainly did.
    “Again you comically prove my point. Everybody’s got a reptile brain inside of us, and it reacts harshly and even desperately when threatened.”
    -hc-
    No argument there, either. I’d argue that your reptile brain is in hyperdrive – due to the impending doom that you are CERTAIN is coming.
    Mine? I’d like to think my reptile brain is just idling along right now, as I’m just trying to have a relatively calm internet discussion.

  252. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    Well it’s not clearly a false flag like the Gulf of Tonkin, the Lusitania, or the embassy attacks in Egypt by Israelis which they tried to blame on the Egyptians. I mean there obviously is a large Muslim insurgency. Some Conspiracy folks lose touch with that. But again, our Elite and the Jewish Elite have a long history of this kind of thing. And now that the two Elites have become One in America, anything that happens has to be suspect.
    If it is as you say, will we draw the right conclusions? Like an end to all Muslim Immigration and the closing and militarization of our borders? Or will we keep militarizing our cities and treating White Americans like they are the criminals?

  253. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Honestly, I was sickened by the navel-gazing and melodramatic hand wringing following these events, as if this bombing constituted one of the greatest American tragedies of all time. CNN turned into the Boston Bomber Channel with its nauseating, over-the-top, 24/7 coverage and Anderson Cooper interviewing everyone who caught a sharpnel wound. Not to minimize the impact on those directly caught up in the events, but I just find the media hype to be amazingly overblown. Probably it has to do with their ratings. People buy more things when the commercials for the products are surrounded by newscasting of disasters. It is some kind of psychological effect, no doubt understood by these networks.
    Meanwhile, when one of our drones evaporates an entire wedding party of 50 people in Afghanistan, it merits one short news report (if that).

  254. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    No you want to go back to consensus reality. Your mammilian, warm fuzzy brain is in over-drive. You have a bad case of normalcy bias. The Jews aren’t like us at all – just face it. And they have attacked us repeatedly at home and abroad.
    Watch this video. Black Woman trying to interfere with the arrest of another Black. She keeps getting in the way of the Police saying “Don’t touch me”. I’ve had Black Women do this to me as well. It’s offence disguised as defence. As the Old Polish saying goes, “The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you”. I share Hanc’s frustration with you. Whites just can’t seem to defend themselves against this kind of tactic. They want everyone to be nice like they are. Jews have told White that they are morally superior to Whites and Whites have believed them. Now Muslims and Blacks say the same thing. Whites are confused at which Master to pick. Can you imagine my despair at the utter degredation of our people? Yet you slumber on and keep trying to be “nice”.
    http://www.amren.com/news/2013/04/wild-brooklyn-melee-erupts-as-nypd-arrests-muslim-teen-for-allegedly-taunting-jewish-subway-rider/
    The Jew in this story is the victim and wisely asked for help. Why talk to someone (a Black Muslim) who obviously wants to humiliate you? And surrounded by other Blacks, it immediately became a dangerous situation for him.

  255. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    I didn’t rule out other motivations, but yeah, I think it is mostly about the labor pool. Rich liberals want cheap gardeners, house keepers, and cooks, too, ya know. A large pool of cheap labor makes for an employers’ market, where they can name their price and keep wages depressed. If the labor market was tight, then they’d have to compete more for workers by raising wages, which would impact the bottom-line cost of many goods and services. Ultimately, this appears to be a large driver here.
    “No desire for more voters and clients for Social Services?”
    Maybe the more voters part. I hadn’t thought of this. But I seriously doubt there are very many government officials who really want more people to use social services. If there are I doubt this has much of an influence. It isn’t exactly a very persuasive argument for immigration, given how strained our social service systems already are here.

  256. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 3:08 pm #

    You have a strange, confused take on all of this, and I’m not even quite sure what you’re trying to express. Of course, people tend to identify with their tribe. This isn’t unique to any particular group at all. It is one of the basic facts of human psychology. Perhaps minorities tend to do it more because they see themselves as being under attack. Can you relate? (You should be able to as this is something you constantly harp on here, that the white man is under siege.)
    Then you characterize people who belong to the Jewish religion as some kind of sinister monolithic block, which is far from the case. You should be careful about this and separate the politics of Israel from your blanket stereotyping of entire races of people, which is not only personally offensive to them, but usually missing almost all the subtleties of reality.
    White American males have to be one of the most privileged groups to ever walk the earth. Even if your assertions are true, isn’t it kind of ironic that you harbor the same sorts of grievances against others that you criticize others for holding? You act EXACTLY like these people, except, of course, for you it is coyly expressed as “defense” against the attacks of others. It looks almost exactly the same to me.
    The internet has not been great for you, Vlad. (Yeah I know it is you.) You seek out media that feeds your sense of being oppressed and attacked and thus create a negative feedback loop.
    Why? Do you have some deep-seated internal desire to be unhappy? Honestly, you play your rather worn victim card more than any black person I’ve ever met.

  257. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    “And they have attacked us repeatedly at home and abroad.”
    So are you equally distrustful of people who originate from the countries of Russia, Germany, Japan, or Vietnam?
    We’ve had actual wars with all those countries (well a Cold War in the case of Russia but the others were shootin wars).
    Or have you let bygones be bygones?
    How much personal interaction have you had with actual Jewish people, BTW? I’m guessing not much. Supposing you have, did any of them actually do anything to support this paranoid view that you’re under attack by them?
    Personally, I think you need a good psychologist.

  258. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    If those Mexicans are amnestied, it’s game over for the Republicans at the Federal Level.
    ===============
    Glad you have this clear. You have motivated me to push even harder for an amnesty. Your kind (white separatists and white supremacists) are a minority now. The white/non-white coalition is the new majority of voters, who elected the white/non-white Obama… twice.
    You are still valued as a human being. Your culture and its contributions are valued. You are special as a member of an endangered tribe.
    Federal law will protect people like you and P4C, as long as you are nonviolent. As members of a tiny racist minority which is slowly dying out, your days of slavery, Jim Crow, white privilege, and white power are over.
    Love has no color. The acceptance of interracial marriage is at an all-time high, with a vast majority of people accepting black-white marriages. There is no limit to the number of people we can love.
    If you want to be sad or angry or judgmental, that is your choice. But you cannot change the tide of history. You can embrace the tide and let it carry you home. Your choice.

  259. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    Not only does love know no color but there is no limit to the number of people one can love.

  260. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    I don’t know if there is a limit to the number of people ONE can love.
    Jesus loves everyone, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Black and yellow, red and white, they are precious in his sight. Brown, too!
    What I do know is there is no limit to the number of people WE can love.
    WE are seven billion strong!
    The planet would be better off if WE were only THREE BILLION strong. Promote the education of girls and women, promote women’s liberation from male dominance, promote freedom FROM religion, promote family planning, abortion, and all forms of birth control until we get back to a global population of THREE BILLION. And even then we will still need LOVE for it to work.

  261. KaraokeVox April 24, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    Aye aye! What you say is true.
    Our collective sense of what constitutes reality is subject to all kinds of disruptions. Gold is finite and LEGAL gold is even more finite. I mean the stuff that is pure and may or may not have some gov’t seal stamped on its surface. If it does have a gov’t seal then that gov’t can ask it back at any time, just like paper money. Maybe someone was afraid that all that gold was going to be melted down into indiscriminate small bars in order to be untraceable. Which comes around to the FBI line of investigations in illegally traded precious metals.

  262. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    PAUL EHRLICH ON OPTIMAL GLOBAL POPULATION
    “How many you support depends on lifestyles. We came up with 1.5 to 2 billion because you can have big active cities and wilderness. If you want a battery chicken world where everyone has minimum space and food and everyone is kept just about alive you might be able to support in the long term about 4 or 5 billion people. But you already have 7 billion. So we have to humanely and as rapidly as possible move to population shrinkage.
    Humanely. That means no violence. 3 BILLION is a happy medium between 1.5 and 4-5.
    Note that national immigration and national emigration are not important and do not change the global population. Yet P4C continues to push his racist John Tanton network organizations on CFN, urging people join to change national policy. Which is not a solution to global overpopulation at all. It is a distraction, a way to further divide people and create discord.

  263. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    Social service aren’t strained here. That’s another media/political lie There’s more than enough money for social services but we are too busy supporting the military industrial complex. And endless wars…and bailing out big banks. It’s about priorities, honey, and we ain’t in the club. I don’t think my monthly $1086. social security check is gonna break Uncle Sam’s piggy bank.

  264. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    I agree with this post but I think your use of the word “evaporates” minimizes the full brunt of the carnage of the never ending carpet bombing of brown people. Think a little about what occurred in Boston and multiply that by about 25 or 30 and try to put your mind around this happening every other month or so.

  265. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    You have a brain? Color carolnequistdotdotdot surprised, baby!

  266. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    Ditto here! I mean, WTF??? I do NOT remember getting this memo. Let’s do a little better about keeping on top of these things. Just sayin…

  267. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

    ++++++++++++
    In my experience, alot of women are exactly the low level psychopaths such as your sister.
    +++
    Hey, Sh _t for Brains! just an fyi…it’s a lot (one word, not two). How did you ever make it out of the third grade??? LOL, ROTFL!!! dweeb!

  268. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

    Sorry to disappoint you, but my wife is Jewish. Our friend happens to be Irish, and our son-in-law is a born and bred native Irishman. Jews can have Christian friends you know.

  269. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    ++++++++++++++++++
    And a further comment: the news media bombarded the airwaves constantly, all day, every day. All regular tv programming was blacked out. The media had a grand, jolly time, I think.
    FullaBEANS Bill
    +++++++++++++
    Are you still pissed that you missed Days of Our Lives, The Price is Right, Worlds Funniest Cats, and Ellen? Jesus, get a life!!!

  270. Beantownbill April 24, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    We are Americans and bombings like this only happen in other corners of the world! We are Americans and are immune from this violence because we are the best and most deserving people in the world. That this happened to US is beyond comprehension, and so we need to tell the story of what happened over and over and over again, so we can come to terms with it. That’s why the media had 24/7 coverage. That, and because getting better ratings over other news channels was of primary concern; plenty of jobs and promotions were on the line here.

  271. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 6:02 pm #

    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    I read a lot about the old west. There was quite a bit of violence, but any violence against kids, including Indian kids, warranted immediate hanging no questions asked.
    CD
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    What a dipshit! Hang ’em now and ask questions later. Real nice. Shades of your Jim Crow, white supremacy rule! Maybe You and “Pro Go Cornhole Ur self” ought to get together and make some white racist babies…or die tryin…LOL!!!

  272. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 6:05 pm #

    We are Americans and bombings like this only happen in other corners of the world! We are Americans and are immune from this violence because we are the best and most deserving people in the world…
    ==========
    I realize you are being facetious to make a point. But let’s be serious for a moment. In what other country in the world has a terrorist incident killed 2,976 people in one day? In what other country in the world is a government building attacked like in Oklahoma City with 168 people dead and hundreds more injured?
    I believe the USA is the only place in the world where that kind of terrorist incident has happened. No other “corner of the world” has seen such a massacre of literally hundreds, and in the case of 9/11, thousands of people in one day. The USA is exceptional in its ability to nurture violent people.

  273. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 6:24 pm #

    The numbers are not what matters, the method is. Box cutters!! The shear brilliance of it!! Kurtz was amazed with the brilliance of the Viet Cong lopping off inoculated arms. I’m amazed with the brilliance of box cutters. Seriously, every time I think about it I put an orange peel in my mouth and make monster faces and then fall flat on my back as though I’m having a heart attack. Larry King, interview me now before you pass away, I think. And then I realize it was never meant to be, and I was always only meant to enjoy it vicariously through other lizards.

  274. turkleton April 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    RE: Climate Change vs Ice Ages
    Glaciation is a process that acts on multi-thousand year time scales, driven primarily by the earth’s distance from the sun, as far as the best scientific conclusions are concerned. On the other hand, climate change due to increased carbon-based molecules in the atmosphere has happened primarily in the last 100 years, which is a very short span of time in terms of climactic and geological epochs. The current period of increasing temperatures will almost certainly cause severe and acute effects within another 100 years, and probably much sooner. Therefore, unless there is a massive offset due to cooling processes in this relatively short geological time frame, there will essentially be no effect at all from an Ice Age on climate change. Since, as far as I’m aware, no such effect is predicted, climate change will proceed as predicted with a general warming of the planet and all the chaos and disruption that this entails. Capiche?

  275. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    You haven’t thought much about it – tha’ts true obviously. The Democrat Party Leaders know what they’re doing. The Republicans seem to have just figured it out.
    Have you read any systems theory? Every Organization wants to expand. It makes the Presidents, Leaders, and true believers happy. It also brings in big bucks in terms of both salaries and contributions to Democrat Candidates. It’s a win, win, win situation. No conspiracy at this level – just human need and greed. Once you have Affirmative Action for Blacks, why not extend it to all Non-Whites – even ones just off the boat who were never discriminated against? It just feels soo goooood to do this. And those nasty White Males have it coming, right Turk? You are a true believer and I know you will agree with this.

  276. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

    Oh I’ve heard Jewish Women don’t age that well and are very difficult to live with. But at least you might have Jewish Grandkids so congratutlations on that.
    Poor John Silber converted to Judaism to make his new wife happy but he didn’t feel accepted at a deep level.

  277. Janos Skorenzy April 24, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    Now which Person of the Trinity are you again?
    Asoka, each day you reveal new depths of meaness and vileness via each of your three persons.

  278. carolnewquist... April 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    Love has no color. And you’re vile and mean!!! The vile one is you.

  279. stelmosfire April 24, 2013 at 8:16 pm #

    Capiche? Ah, a fellow Italiano eh? My family is from the Alps of Northern Italy. Beautiful place.

  280. whereami April 24, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    amen brother

  281. Carol Newquist April 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    It is a beautiful place. And the women? To die for!
    Do you know what Italian women wear behind their ears to attract their lovers?
    That’s right, their ankles. Isn’t that delightful and ingenious of them? And it works, despite what the Pope may think of it.

  282. adequatio April 24, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    Giovanni said to his daughter, “I no like-a that Irish boy taking you out-a. He is-a rough and common, and besides-a, he is-a a big-a dumbbell!”
    “No, papa,” replied the girl, “Tim is the most clever fella I know.” “Why-a you say-a that?” “We have only been dating nine weeks and already he has cured me of that little illness I used to get every month!” –Osho

  283. Eleuthero5 April 24, 2013 at 11:30 pm #

    Ozone,
    Ordinary citizens like me and you can do NOTHING about what’s to come. If one believed in precious metals (I, personally, do NOT), you can’t find any for sale so you have to buy “paper” metals which is like buying air.
    There is no port in the coming storm. All we can do in the meantime is chronicle the events as they transpire making special note of all the babblings of the Panglossians whether they be Bernanke, Asoka, or “the Carols”.
    People who are panglosses right now are like weathermen predicting sunshine because they haven’t stuck their ass out the window to see that their CURRENT forecast is wrong. Pangloss couldn’t predict the PAST!! ;~)
    E.

  284. Eleuthero5 April 24, 2013 at 11:33 pm #

    You all who think Adequatio isn’t Asoka and the Carols aren’t either must have your heads stuck up your asses. The “Carols” have repeated the “… there’s no limit to how many people you can love” mantra that Asoka has stated for years. Look at the posting volumes.
    If you have an iota of pattern matching skill and do NOT assume that all these clowns are one person, I have some swampland in Arizona to sell you.
    E.

  285. shorty April 24, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    Again, 15,000 years ago all of Canada and the northern states were covered with a 1.5 mile deep sheet of ice. An interglacial warming cycle then resulted in increasing temps, such that the sheet began melting and more or less floated off about 12,000 years ago. This interglacial warming cycle has now about peaked, and chances are good the 1.5 mile deep sheet of ice will be back covering much of North America within 15,000 years. Humans have poisoned the planet, but the global warming / rising sea level stuff is nonsense. Even Saint Gore doesn’t believe it….he bought California low bank waterfront for his tenth home.

  286. Shakazulu April 24, 2013 at 11:57 pm #

    “People’s main desire is living better, more prosperous, longer, and more comfortable lives.”
    I can’t argue with that. Von Mises based his economic theory on this desire (see his book Human Action). But the Elites are NOT people; at least not human as we would define human. The Elites–they are the very rich and the most powerful and they intend to see it STAY that way! And what is the easiest way to ensure this dominance? Population Control. If they eliminate those they feel are useless eaters, that makes it easier for them to dominate the rest of us and maintain their absolute control over the world’s resources.
    It’s not necessarily EVIL. It’s them seeing the world as black and white, with Power being right, and our interference with their desire for all power as EVIL. Hence, the coming nuclear war they are promoting day and night. Can’t you see that?

  287. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2013 at 12:06 am #

    Good. We need Men willing to fight. Life is over rated anyway. And as Jim says, no one is getting out of here alive. What a great way to die – for the once and future Nation of America.

  288. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 12:45 am #

    Yes, when you’re willing to die for you people you’re finally really a worry for the Controllers.
    Anybody seen the photos of the moments just after the explosion at the Boston marathon? There was obviously nobody hurt (including the war vet and amputee holding up a bloodless gore prosthetic before other crew spread fakey blood around). There is none of the wounding of this group at “group zero” (right next to peg leg) that they would have sustained with a bomb packed with ball-bearings and nails. In fact, nobody’s wounded in the group at all. (Later the stage crew wheeled people around with fake blood spattered on them, of course.) The worst “gore” photo to come out of the whole thing is asininely fake.
    Does the budding Jewish Homeland Security Police State think Americans are this dumb?

  289. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 1:16 am #

    The “Carols” have repeated the “… there’s no limit to how many people you can love” mantra that Asoka has stated for years.
    You claim Asoka stated that for years, but you got it wrong. Asoka never said “there’s no limit to how many people you can love” (assuming you are using the second person singular form of “you”)
    What Asoka said was:
    “There is no limit to how many people WE can love” (using the first-person plural form of the pronoun).
    Your carelessness is not unexpected. You say idiotic things often: “IT’S CRUNCH TIME” (referring to the Euro years ago… and it still has not crashed) or more recently: “American’s will be Gitmoed” (when no Americans are housed at Gitmo).
    Are you sleeping well at night in spite of being worried about “the speed of money” and the “labor participation rate” and U6 unemployment? If not, get out of Berkeley, and go 4.5 miles to Mountain View where things are FUN! FUN! FUN!
    Idiot.

  290. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 1:17 am #

    We are Americans. Christian, Jewish, other.
    Our laws allowed that [horrid] family to move here,
    get a scholarship, play sports, apply for citizenship.
    While they were raised on our dime!
    They were on welfare!!
    And theres circumstantial evidence the elder bro killed his only American friend and 2 others, with a knife.

  291. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 1:19 am #

    For those who malign JS, no one else here
    connected the dots like he did.
    This is ‘genius level’ of insight:
    Or will we keep militarizing our cities and treating White Americans like they are the criminals?

  292. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 1:29 am #

    Even if it was ‘2 independent wolves’ as opposed
    to the CIA please see my post, as the Government enabled them.

  293. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 1:31 am #

    ?

  294. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 2:19 am #

    Oh I’ve heard Jewish Women don’t age that well
    [who does?] and are very difficult to live with.
    very difficult to live with….compared to you?

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  297. Mrs. Soake April 25, 2013 at 3:42 am #

    Sadly, I’ve just heard word about my former husband “asoka”. He recently died in an apartment fire in Newark, NJ, where he had been living for the past three years since our divorce. A compulsive and pathological liar, internet porn addict, and alcoholic, he had many vices and, unfortunately, no redeeming qualities that I can recall.
    He requested in his will that financial contributions be made to the Ignited Negro College Fund.
    Mrs. Soake

  298. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 4:06 am #

    He recently died in an apartment fire in Newark, NJ
    So Asoka was lying about the mud hut, too? He had some good ideas, but much of what he said was so far out of mainstream (getting a vasectomy instead of having kids, eliminating the armed forces completely, etc.) that his impact was nil and he alienated people easily. Thanks for updating us on his death.

  299. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 8:01 am #

    300th, bitches!!!

  300. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 8:28 am #

    I love Osho’s humor. He’s as funny as Larry David.
    Yes, Italian women provide a direct path to the treasure by placing their ankles behind their ears to attract their lovers, but one must not seek the treasure without securing a jitbag first, lest they contract a nasty case of the herp. The direct path is fraught with all manner of peril. You take it at your own risk.

  301. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 8:39 am #

    So, a rather bizarre revelation is unfolding in the comments section here as it relates to the gun nutter crowd. From my vantage, it appears the gun nutters are applauding the Police State tactics in Boston. You’ve cheered it on and have condoned the torture and murder of these alleged suspects, or alleged suspect, by the state, and those incarcerated by the state. Please tell us, then, for what reason do you need the guns if this is your sentiment? Obviously, you support and applaud the Police State to protect you and you have no problem if they kick you out of your home in that process, so what’s the point of the guns? The State, per your own admission, is perfectly competent in protecting you and upholding your rights, so that makes your guns irrelevant.

  302. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 8:57 am #

    Spot on!

  303. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    “The State, per your own admission, is perfectly competent in protecting you and upholding your rights, so that makes your guns irrelevant.”
    -the Troll Trilogy, logic circling toilet bowl-
    When danger is seconds away –
    – remember –
    The police are only minutes away.

  304. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    Spot on!
    ==========
    Thanks for agreeing. I’m glad you’re finally coming to your senses and seeing yourself for the fool you’ve been.

  305. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    You’re avoiding the issue with your pamphlet point, Strelnikov. People’s houses were forcibly entered and many were ORDERED to leave their premises by a Police State who issued a LOCKDOWN (their own words). Gun nutters here, by remaining silent, or applauding the Police State maneuvering, have given tacit approval of this behavior, so I’ll ask you once again, what are the guns for?
    I’ll answer for you since I know you’ll never answer honestly. You’re a propagandist, plain and simple. That’s why you’re Strelnikov. He was the same way. His ideas came straight from the pamphlet. He couldn’t think for himself. Neither can you. The guns are so gun manufacturers can make lots of money, that’s what they’re for. Oh, and to make white men with tiny dicks feel larger than they actually are.

  306. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    “If you have an iota of pattern matching skill and do NOT assume that all these clowns are one person, I have some swampland in Arizona to sell you.”
    -E5-
    Yeah, E, zero doubt that “corresponds/adequatio” is from the person responsible for asoka… Same EXACT posting formats, language, and typing styles.
    And where would the Soaker Hose’s frantic overposting efforts go – if not into “the carol…”
    Even if “carol newquist” is from a different poster, it’s much better branding to keep them lumped together as The Troll Trilogy.
    Calling them “The Troll Duopoly, and Their Monotroll Sidekick ‘Carol,'” just doesn’t have the same clarity.

  307. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    “…to make white men with tiny dicks feel larger than they actually are.”
    – The Monotroll, PC stereotyping –
    Also useful for men with large penises when protecting drug turf and holding up liquor stores.
    Which is also stereotyping, but “Carol” will object to it only because it is politically incorrect.
    You are a waste of space, Monotroll.

  308. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 9:36 am #

    Georgia Militia Man and his compadres are Fascists who support Police States. I was neutral on gun control previously, but considering the mentality of those here who proclaim to be gun rights advocates, I see your true motives. You’re not a check on tyranny, but rather an addition to it. Considering that, I don’t want you to have guns, because you will never, ever be of any help in checking tyranny. Instead, you’ll always be just another layer of it.

  309. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    “Humanely. That means no violence. 3 BILLION is a happy medium between 1.5 and 4-5.”
    – the Troll Trilogy –
    Couple of points, corresponds:
    1. So you want to shrink the population “humanely,” but without violence. Does this mean you are advocating euthanasia, treating humans like dogs at an overcrowded dog pound.
    Or perhaps you would like 4 billion+++ people to die of disease – since this is not “violent,” and therefore “humane,” in your twisted brain.
    (ah, poetry)
    And the best way to cause disease is starvation, which can also reduce human numbers rather dramatically. And starving humans NEVER resort to violence – according to asoka..dequatio, who thus demonstrates he has never been hungry.
    moving on
    2. So, ignoring all the “non violent” death necessary to get from 7 billion+++ down to 4 billion – – – What will be the population of the United States landmass IF the world population were 4 billion distributed evenly.
    Probably not that far from our soon-to-be population of 350,000,000, right?
    So why to you want to pack the United States to overfilled – knowing that “humane non-violent” death will be necessary to shrink the US population back down to a “desirable” level?
    Why, indeed, adequatio?

  310. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    That was never said nor implied. As usual you create a division and continue your attempts to derail this blog. You are the real Resident Impediment and the reason this blog is losing its significance.

  311. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 10:06 am #

    “You are the real Resident Impediment and the reason this blog is losing its significance.”
    -asoka..adequatio..carol…-
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    You forgot to change from “carol…” to “adequatio.”
    “..the reason this blog is losing its significance.”
    -the Troll Trilogy –
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
    oh, the irony!
    And how do you propose to lose 4 billion+ humans, asoka..you haven’t addressed that, yet.
    And why keep adding extras to the US, knowing they have to die soon – didn’t address that, either.

  312. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    And how do you propose to lose 4 billion+ humans, asoka..you haven’t addressed that, yet.
    Asoka no longer posts here. He died in New Jersey.
    Here is my suggestion for reducing global population:
    Promote the education of girls and women, promote women’s liberation from male dominance, promote freedom FROM religion, promote family planning, abortion, and all forms of birth control until we get back to a global population of THREE BILLION. And even then we will still need LOVE for it to work.
    Changing national immigration/emigration policy does nothing to reduce global population.

  313. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    Since you are good at research, do you know
    who sets US ‘refugee status’?
    Is it the USA or the UN?
    We sure are getting ‘anti American’ refugees.
    Obongo just admitted another 80,000 muslim refugees.
    They will live off us taxpayers.

  314. lucky 13 April 25, 2013 at 11:29 am #

    Guns, farms, nerves of steel.

  315. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

    Here is another Osho joke for you:
    “Pierino comes home from school and asks his father, “Papa, what does `simultaneously’ mean?”
    “It means at the same time,” replies the father.
    But Pierino still does not understand, so the father explains it. “Well,” he says, “if you were born from a relationship between your mother and another man, not me, what would I be?”
    “A cuckold!” replies the little boy.
    “Right!” says the father. “And simultaneously you would be the son of a bitch!”

  316. Beantownbill April 25, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    You are such a hateful shithead. I know for a FACT that the 8 year old boy was killed and his sister lost a leg. You think people here are that dumb? If the boy is really not dead, you think maybe people would notice him walking around? You think, after living in the area for years, they would consent to be moved out of state? You think they’re in witness protection?
    All your eastern philosophy ramblings are just a front because if you were sincere about it, you wouldn’t be so prejudiced. And don’t plead innocence, by saying you never uttered anything anti-Jewish or anti-Black. We all know that the comments you post are slyly (or so you think) obsessively discriminatory. Filth like you don’t deserve to be an American citizen.

  317. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

    Love it, keep them coming. Osho is THEE MAN!!
    Also, what I like about this joke is that I can substitute concomitantly for simultaneously, and it won’t change the meaning or sentiment.
    Thanks.

  318. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    “You are such a hateful shithead. I know for a FACT that the 8 year old boy was killed and his sister lost a leg.
    If it’s true then the black ops characters who put on the event are the hateful ones, and you are the shithead. One of the brother-patsies was seen leaving the scene with his backpack still on. Meanwhile, black ops shitheads were seen with backpacks, with one of then suddenly inscrutably missing his. Yeah, they have no compunction about killing and maiming people, as with 9-11 and Oklahoma. However, in the photo I sited, you can’t see anybody injured (unless you by the dry, bloodless gore prosthetic). You can’t see this?
    ” If the boy is really not dead, you think maybe people would notice him walking around?”
    Vicsims (created victims, usually fictional) are all part of the game. Like the girl who was supposedly killed at Sandy Hook (with the actor father laughing off camera then suddenly weeping) was seen after the event posing with Obama. One of the “crisis witnesses” for Boston was the very same woman they interviewed as a “witness” of Sandy Hook. One of the photograph-victims was the very same woman they used as a photograph-victim in an earlier false flag. Just look into it, gullible.

  319. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

    Thank you, Beantown. I was unable to respond to him.
    There is nothing more despicable than using religion (in the form of ancient dharmashastras) to justify an odious antisemitism and racism.
    That hatefulness, compounded with a willingness to believe any kind of conspiracy theory out there, makes Julian C. worthy of your one-response philosophy. Don’t waste time on him. I will also try not to respond to him.

  320. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    “All your eastern philosophy ramblings are just a front because if you were sincere about it, you wouldn’t be so prejudiced.
    I’m not interested in pre-judgement or post-judgement — just using good judgement. Those interested in eastern religions must, moreover, have judgement or else they end up with a Las Vegas guru like Osho! So always use your judgement.
    It was you who was pre-judaized (using modern television-bred pre-judgement) by assuming mass media always told you the truth, instead of using pure judgement on the photos and other evidence before you. You are so pre-judiced and conditioned that you can’t step outside of narratives fed to you.
    Always use your judgement. It’s human. It protects. The dharma also supports this.
    Aum, Amen.

  321. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 1:16 pm #

    “That hatefulness,…
    I have to note that every post you post featuring your Las Vegas standup comic guru is hateful. Hateful toward tradition, hateful toward the parents and grandfathers, hateful towards dharma, hateful toward natural authorities, hateful toward ideals, hateful toward social order and prosperity. Osho was so hateful he had hundreds of women murder their own progeny right in their wombs.
    It’s hateful, also, to do murderous false flag attacks to manipulate people, carry out genocidal wars, and strip Americans of their Constitutional rights. I have to note that Israel has a reputation for false flags and the motto of Mossad is “By deception thou shalt do war.”

  322. Beantownbill April 25, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    You are right in not wasting time on him. That’s why I have a one-reply rule on this subject matter. I can make my response and get out. No back and forth all day.
    Don’t you find it a little scary that people can be so obviously wrong-headed and not be aware of it? Or do they have another agenda, even if it, too, is so wrong-headed? I also find it scary that someone would put so much energy into such evil purpose.

  323. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    Pug Uglies desperate to be “victimized”.

  324. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Not necessarily: the Zohar, probably the main text of the Kaballah, goes along with the Talmud saying that gentiles are beasts and only the Jews are human.

  325. Janos Skorenzy April 25, 2013 at 2:21 pm #

    It may be part of their genius. Say the bombs were real as were some of the victims – but lots of fake victims too. Anybody can lie, but to mix truth in to strengthen the Lie is the work of a real Master. In other words, the Truth is changed into a Lie. Black Magic: transforming the higher into the lower.
    Why do it? To utterly confuse the people and thus divide and weaken them. It makes Conspiracy People look like fools and strengthens the meme that there are no Conspiracies. This keeps the People at the trough of the Mainstream Media.

  326. Rhino April 25, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    You know I really hate to be the grump and disrupt the festivities. But there’s nothing to be gained in engaging the trolls. They’re not here to add to the general level of knowledge and wisdom but to detract from it. They generate a terrific volume of crap postings that drive away people who were hoping to read interesting insights or to add their own or engage in a bona fide argument or discussion.

  327. Rhino April 25, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    I know that JHK dislikes conspiracy stuff but here’s something that smells something awful:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Bunting-Leigh-Van-Bryan-UK-tourists-arrested-destroy-America-Twitter-jokes.html
    This is nothing unique. There are other stories of law enforcement bothering people after trolling internet accounts. How does this happen? Apparently, internet companies surrender a gigantic amount of data to governmental authorities for examination.
    Is Big Brother watching? You can bet your bottom dollar he is. Fair bet that Big Brother is watching this site too.

  328. Rhino April 25, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    Great posts. Grim scenarios. What does history show us wrt civilizational collapse?
    I think I may have posted about this before but there were two collapses that directly impacted western history and that’s the collapse in the eastern Mediterranean three thousand years ago or thereabouts and the collapse of the western Roman Empire in the 5th Century AD.
    Sadly and unfortunately written records from the ensuing dark ages after each of these collapses are scarce so what we have to go by besides written fragments are archeological remains. And of course semi-legendary sagas written long after the events. Maybe somewhat based in historical fact but distorted depending on the political or religious agenda of the writers.
    So what happened? The first collapse in the eastern Mediterranean saw a decline in trade, cities (which depended on trade) abandoned, a decline in population and people fleeing from indefensible coastal areas to fortified inland hilltops. Interestingly, this seems to be the time when Hebrews took shape as a recognizable ethnic group. Different archaeologists see it differently but what I’ve read indicates that there were locals like Canaanites and maybe refugees from Egypt (hence the Exodus story) that became the root population of later Israel and Judea. And, out of their varied religious traditions ie the god of war (the biblical Lord of Hosts) and the Canaanite god of justice, eventually came Yahweh. Add in later influences in the formation of what nowadays we see as Lucifer. An anti-god, so to speak, that couldn’t get with the program.
    What else? Around the same time the collapse of Bronze Age Greek civilization and its reformation centuries later and the rise of Athens and Sparta and the Golden Age of Greece.
    And, so you ask, what’s my point? The point is that as bloody as the Bronze Age collapse likely was, people mourned, picked up the pieces, formed new societies, new economies, new religions. The Roman collapse is better documented. We have a better sense of it because to this day we have Roman institutions in existence. In Europe also, as miserable as those long centuries of the Dark Ages were, life went on.
    What we are facing will be different and maybe much worse. I seriously don’t think we’ll feed 7 billion people via cultivating gardens. After the Bronze Age collapse and the Roman collapse the population of the time declined. I think our population will drop catastrophically. For one thing, in the US, you have more guns than you have people. And a large proportion of those guns are military weapons. A real life Hunger Games. So good luck to you all. And don’t forget to duck.
    You might ask why don’t our all-knowing, all-seeing “leaders” take the bull by the horns on this and take measures to mitigate the damage? Because they only give a damn about themselves. And they think they’re special. Even assuming they’ve thought things through, which most of them haven’t, they don’t think that they’ll suffer like the rest of us. You see, they have high powered lawyers with degrees from expensive schools. And the lawyers have documents! Yes, LEGAL documents that say things like Resolution of the Board of Directors. Duly signed and witnessed. Wow, eh? Impressive, no? So, you see, they’re covered. You DO see, don’t you? You don’t? Well, actually, come to think of it, neither do I.
    I don’t see because, really, the likelihood that some flabby lawyers with soft hands holding briefcases full of paper will be of any earthly use to the perfumed elite in the post collapse era is slim to nonexistent. And so I would submit to the perfumed elite, if they would only listen, that they could bid farewell to the lawyer and wipe their asses with those documents for all the good they’ll do.
    And, our all-seeing leaders that can’t see past their noses don’t see impending disaster because, like most of us, they don’t want to.

  329. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    “Don’t you find it a little scary that people can be so obviously wrong-headed and not be aware of it? Or do they have another agenda, even if it, too, is so wrong-headed? I also find it scary that someone would put so much energy into such evil purpose.”
    He commiserating and addressing an Osho devotee who posts dozens of amoral Osho jokes, whose people perpetrated a bio-terror attack on a city, and who coerced his female followers to kill off their own children. What is wrong with this picture? I think Beantown is tribe.
    It’s wrong-headed to perpetrate false flags, whether people are hurt or not, for the sake of launching more Jewars and killing the freedom of Americans.

  330. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    All should read the articles and watch the videos of Brother Nathaniel at http://realzionistnews.com/

  331. Beantownbill April 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

    I don’t think so. If there were real victims, why even bother with phony numbers. If 3 victims died from a bomb blast, then it stands to reason some people had to be injured. Even if 30 or 40 people were in fact injured, there’d still be a lot of people down and plenty of blood. The easiest deception would be to lie and say 170 people were injured. Why go to the bother of creating fake victims with prosthetics, when all you’d have to do is pick a figure out of the air?
    BTW, I don’t believe that mystical Kabala crap, and I totally discount anything Kabalists say. They are definitely a minority.

  332. AMR April 25, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    One of the reasons that Customs and Border Protection pulls shit like this is that the average American has no idea of how unhinged and unaccountable an agency it is. Foreign news outlets, e.g., Japanese and European ones, generally do a much better job of covering CBP’s abuses, probably because their citizens travel more as tourists than Americans do. CBP seems to be pretty mellow around business travelers, with the exceptions of minorities whom it has historically disproportionately subjected to full body searches (I recall a statistic that black women were eight times more likely to be searched thus) and dissidents like Jacob Appelbaum. Also, even if they behave more or less appropriately, CBP officers are prone to scare the hell out of travelers who are used to dealing with border officials in Europe and Asia. Foreigners (and sentient Americans) are right to be disturbed that US border officials are armed, dressed from head to toe in black, and often menacing in their demeanor.
    CBP and its predecessor, ICE, have been out of control since at least the mid-1990s, but probably earlier. Alas, many Americans assume that this isn’t really a problem because they don’t travel abroad.

  333. Carol Newquist April 25, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    Hmmm….why wasn’t the entire state of Illinois put in LOCKDOWN for this event? More were killed than were in the Beantown Bombings, including a pregnant mother. And, the alleged suspect is a white citizen with no extra-national affiliations. Oh, and he didn’t use a pressure cooker. Instead, a shot gun (out of my cold dead hands) at point blank range.
    http://news.yahoo.com/police-identify-victims-illinois-killings-150032733.html
    Why was this not given a week’s worth of non-stop coverage? Where were the FBI and the tanks? Can someone explain the contradiction in responses? The media, by covering this at all is doing an in-your-face. They jump all over the Beantown Bombings, and yet this equally horrible atrocity gets scant coverage.

  334. AMR April 25, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    To get a better idea of how unnerving US CBP officers can be, compare their uniforms to the plainclothes business dress worn by many UK immigration officers or the sharp white dress shirts, green slacks and black boots that make up the uniform of the Finnish Frontier Guard. I’ve never known these agencies to be staffed by the kind of slacker cops who are routinely assigned to customs and immigration duties in France and Italy. They’re alert and dutiful, but they lack the edge of their US counterparts.
    For that matter, compare CBP’s uniform to the TSA’s. The first TSA uniform looked like a bad parody of the Boy Scout uniform, but the current dress uniform, consisting of a dark blue dress shirt and black slacks, is much softer and more professional in appearance than CBP’s martial goth look. The TSA can’t get a full pass from the press because too many Americans from too wide a swath of the population have endured its misconduct, but I have to say that it generally scares me less than CBP. One subtle difference is that TSA officers do not have arrest powers and can be overruled by municipal or port authority cops posted to screening areas. More than a few cops, I think, are annoyed by the delusions of grandeur and the pomposity that affect many TSA officers, often the same ones who didn’t make the cut to become real cops.
    This analysis of dress styles can be given too much weight, but I think there is a correlation in this case between the uniforms and the behavior of those wearing them, and it gives me pause that CBP insists on dressing its officers entirely in black and issuing them all sidearms. All I can think is that it’s doing its best to scare the hell out of the traveling public.

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  337. Julian C. Lee April 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

    Even if 30 or 40 people were in fact injured, there’d still be a lot of people down and plenty of blood.
    Yet there wasn’t much blood and it was the wrong color. Everybody knows the real color of blood.
    The easiest deception would be to lie and say 170 people were injured. Why go to the bother of creating fake victims with prosthetics, when all you’d have to do is pick a figure out of the air?
    You’d not make a very thorough or successful false flagger. Why so lazy? Obviously the right photographs sell the story. These are made-for-TV “terrorist attacks” after all. Yet the most gory photo from the whole event was asininely fake and nobody closest to the bomb as soon as it went off had any injuries. They would have been peppered with injuries and there would have been gore aplenty — not just one veteran-amputee sticking a clean and dry bone prothesis into the air waiting for his team to put blood on it.

  338. Mrs. Soake April 25, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    Disengage and ignore. It is the only way to improve the content here, which has hit the skids as of late. The only recourse for me was to divorce the guy. Should have done it years earlier.
    Her Royal Soakness

  339. stelmosfire April 25, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    Got that right Carol! My betrothed of almost 30 years now, comes from family in the Alps on the Italian, Austrian, and Swiss border. Blond hair and blue eyes that will pull you right in. The part about the ears not so much. I had to court her and her family for a while first. She kinda would be Vlad’s Aryan type. She is one good woman and a hell of cook! Her Mom taught her well. She cooks almost as good as my Mom from the Lake Como area but please don’t tell her I said that ;o)

  340. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    REALITY CHECK FOR CFN
    Even in the wake of the Boston bombing, Americans are safer now than they ever have been before. The news is already fear-mongering and the loonies are shouting about conspiracies, but you should remember that you’re safer now than ever, and two bombs and the surrounding media circus doesn’t change that.
    The violent crime rate in the US has been steadily declining for decades. All types of violent crimes are seeing less occurrences not only per capita, but also less total instances, even with the rising population. The violent crime rate in the US has declined nearly 50% from 1991 until 2010, and while 2011 data is still preliminary, the FBI recently announced that there was yet another drop in violent crime (4%) from 2010 to 2011[i]. Yet, people still believe that crime is higher than ever, even though it is quite the opposite.

  341. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0425/Immigration-reform-How-many-new-immigrants-are-we-talking-about
    A whole lot.
    Maybe double the present rate.
    Too many.
    Way too many.

  342. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 9:24 pm #

    “But there’s nothing to be gained in engaging the trolls.” -rhino-
    You know, rhino, if this were a simi-moderated thread, you’d be 100% correct. But this thread is the Wild West, and asoka..dequatio (now carol…, aussi) has demonstrated that he will outlast most all other posters.
    So someone needs to corral him – so that new posters to CFN can see that he’s a Troll, and little else.
    Although, he does keep coming up with things that are very interesting to analyze.
    Consider the following:
    “The violent crime rate in the US has been steadily declining for decades.”
    – the Troll Trilogy –
    One reason is that we’ve locked up many of the violent offenders – more or less for life, or until they are too old to be as violent.
    But another reason is that CCW permits are so easily available, and so many people are carrying weapons – that violent criminals are afraid to be violent against as many random citizens as was once the case.
    A couple of anecdotes will this point more interesting.
    I’ve been preparing to sell a house on the south side of Atlanta. It was a great old area, a walkable town with it’s own govt., police, fire, and everything. It’s still got all of those things, but now it’s a little “rough” down there.
    So, I was talking to a female real estate agent about going out there to look at the house. And I was warning her to be careful out there. And she said, “I’ll be carrying.”
    Surprised the hell out of me, but I can’t blame her at all. It’s a grim world out there sometimes.
    Also, this being the Spring of the year, I was trying to get a hold of my regular yard guy for out there. He’s a big black guy, nice and capable as can be. And there had been a couple of high profile incidents involving lawn guys on the South side being robbed and beaten.
    So I was glad when I got the guy on the phone and I told him I was glad he called me back – because I was getting worried about him being robbed.
    Don’t worry about me man, he said to me, “I’m always packing.”
    Innocent people who are willing and able to defend themselves – make the world a little less grim, don’t you know.

  343. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    From its founding until about 1921 (with some notable exceptions such as the Chinese Exclusion Act), the United States of America had practically open borders. With this policy of open borders, the United States expanded greatly in population and led the world in terms of increases in its standard of living and increases in per capita income. This historical success lends support to the idea that assimilating new waves of immigrants will be possible for the United States and will lead to greater prosperity for the nation.
    The United States of America is one of the few countries where an immigrant can become American. It’s a unique and exceptional characteristic of US culture that is worth preserving.
    I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today and someone who is an immigrant from Argentina called in. Rush tried to make political points with the caller and referred to the caller as Hispanic, as Latino, as Argentinian. The guy wasn’t having any of it. He simply said: “I am an American.”
    Rush Limbaugh tried again to “hyphenize” the guy, to put him into some kind of box. But Rush never understood what the guy was saying. He is an American. He has been an American since birth. He was born in Argentina, South America and that makes him an American by birth. The whole hemisphere is American and there should be freedom of movement of Americans between South, Central, and North America.

  344. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    Jesus, you are full of sh_t! I mean, you never stop! WTF, dude? So the minions you hire, including the black “Uncle Tom” is packing heat and says to you, “Done worra bout me, massa, eyes got da heat hear wif mysef!” And you’ve got a real estate agent who is a present day Annie Oakley? You gotta be fu_king kidding me!
    You’ve got one wild imagination, country boy! Why don’t you do us all a big favor and switch the channel every now and again? Next time you change the “bat channel”, maybe we’ll find you in 1880’s London, on the trail of Jack the Ripper? LMFAO!!!

  345. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    “From its founding until about 1921….., the United States of America had practically open borders.”
    -the troll trilogy-
    From its founding until about 1921….the United States of America had practically open borders,
    BECAUSE IT WAS PRACTICALLY EMPTY.
    That is no longer the case.

  346. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    And THIS version of the Troll Trilogy is so blinded by its bizarre World View and Ideology – that it refuses to believe interesting and 100% true anecdotes.
    “Jesus, you are full of sh_t! I mean, you never stop!”
    – the troll trilogy, phase two… –
    Notice that Troll 1 and Troll 2 posted 5 minutes apart. Either asoka..is a fast typist, or he had the second response prepared in advance.

  347. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    Pro go corn hole has definitely OUTED himself as being a resident impediment and troll! He pictures himself as a cross between Rhett Butler and Ashley Wilkes! He proably uses one hand to hold a mirror to himself and another to pleasure himself. Never before has anyone on this thread done so much to build himself up to be some modern day, 21st century, Southern Aristocratic “Gentleman” as him.
    He is a fraud! A fraud exposed by Beantown Bill, and the poster formerly know as Kyoostik. He makes many platitudes about being fair minded but at every turn he reveals himself to be the true RACIST that he is. And he continues to deflect criticism about himself and projects it onto legitimate poster Adequatio. To continue his deception, he tries to link Adequation with one of the most eloquent, direct and to-the-point posters to date, Carol Newquist.
    Alert posters will recognize that Miss Carol Newquist and Adequatio have similar opinions and for this reason, Pro Go Corn Hole feels it necessary to link them together as one “personality”. This proves above anything else that Pro Go Corn Hole is the real resident impediment, and not Adequatio, as he so frequently maintains.

  348. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    350th BITCHES!!!

  349. carolnewquist... April 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    So which IS IT, Countra boy???

  350. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    From its founding until about 1921….the United States of America had practically open borders,
    BECAUSE IT WAS PRACTICALLY EMPTY.

    And it is practically empty today.
    Population Density (per km2)
    17,676 … Monaco
    7,546 … Singapore
    1,321 … Malta
    1,065 … Maldives
    1,631 … Bahrain
    34 … United States of America
    34 people per km2!
    THE USA IS PRACTICALLY EMPTY in 2013. WE NEED MORE MUSLIMS AND MEXICANS! The whole Earth is the birthright of anyone born on this planet.
    OPEN THE BORDERS!
    34 people per km2! We have room.

  351. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

    I devised the sobriquet of The Resident Impediment for asoka..about a year ago now. He has never gotten over it – to the point that his Troll alter ego “carol…,” is still upset by it.
    “Pro go corn hole has definitely OUTED himself as being a resident impediment….”
    -carol…, asoka.., adequatio –
    -The Troll Trilogy stands revealed –
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    HAH!

  352. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    Notice that Troll 1 and Troll 2 posted 5 minutes apart. Either asoka..is a fast typist, or he had the second response prepared in advance.
    =============
    There is another explanation but y’all (Rhino, Eleuthero, Ozone, Lucky 13, etc.) are so smart and so convinced that you are right, even when the separate ISP addresses in the Recent Visitor Activity page give the lie to your “Troll Triology” hypothesis.”

  353. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    And I wondered when these overpopulated hellholes would be invoked by The Troll Trilogy:
    Monaco
    Singapore
    Malta
    Maldives
    Bahrain
    One thing that these places have in common is that without huge food, and energy imports – all of the people living there would be dead, relatively quickly.

  354. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 10:57 pm #

    Posts like this are what bog this blog down. No facts, no sound arguments… just an opinion based on nothing that is what ruins this blog.

  355. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 11:00 pm #

    Oh, another thing they all have in common is a per capita GDP greater than the USA. In other words, they disprove your fear mongering and your false claim that more people means poverty and social breakdown. You are busted, P4C. You have no argument.

  356. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 11:00 pm #

    “….separate ISP addresses in the Recent Visitor Activity page give the lie to your “Troll Triology” hypothesis.”
    – The Troll Trilogy –
    Of course, any half-baked DoD employee, or anyone else with computer skills above minimal – could easily spoof multiple ISP’s from a single account.
    Who cares, anyway.
    The Troll Trilogy is funny, and appropriate.
    Whether it is the work of Three Trolls or One.

  357. progress4conserving April 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

    “Disengage and ignore. It is the only way to improve the content here, which has hit the skids as of late. The only recourse for me was to divorce the guy. Should have done it years earlier.”
    – mrs. soake –
    OK, asoka..dequatio and “carol…” seem deranged enough for today.
    ======================
    One more, before I go:
    “Oh, another thing they all have in common is a per capita GDP greater than the USA.”
    – The Troll Trilogy on Monaco, blah, blah –
    So, we see that the Soaker Hose, who alleges that he lives on $12K/year – finds MONEY and GDP to be VERY important after all.
    I’m going to try to clock out, now.

  358. anti soak April 25, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    Thank you, and I remain your loyal Auntie, Anti a soka.

  359. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    You have no idea what is possible. All you have are talking points from your racist John Tanton network.
    NumbersUSA, which P4C promotes on CFN, was founded and funded by John Tanton. Once one becomes aware of the views and ideas of John Tanton, it is hard to not be skeptical of the real motive of these organization, no matter what rationale P4C presents to favor his argument.
    Since the ethno-centric ideas driving the pre-1946 US immigration laws (e.g., the National Origins Formula, the “Asiatic Barred Zone Act” of 1917), until the Luce-Celler Act of 1946, are now out of fashion in the mainstream consciousness, and cannot be made comfortably anymore, the only rationale left to these organizations are the ones more acceptable e.g., economy, rights, jobs, labor.
    But I am not fooled by P4C and his racist motives remain the same as earlier attempts to limit immigration. P4C can of course argue, as he has done, that guilt by association is unfair, it is fair to say he still needs to answer and/or clarify were he stands on the views, agenda and writings of NumbersUSA founder John Tanton.

  360. adequatio April 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    So, we see that the Soaker Hose, who alleges that he lives on $12K/year – finds MONEY and GDP to be VERY important after all.
    ============
    I am not Asoka. You are very confused, P4C.
    The GDP per capita worldwide is US$12,500. Yes, of course I find MONEY and GDP to be VERY important. Would you rather starve, not have health care or education, and die in poverty and disease, or live well on US$12,500? You are an idiot.

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  362. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 4:05 am #

    Why bother with fake injuries and/or deaths? Maybe they’re still experimenting with what they can get away with. It sure creates mass confusion. A few fake injuries and the hardcore Conspiracy Folks think the whole thing was a fake – and then that discredits them with the Joe Friday types like you – even though they are correct about the big picture.
    I certainly believe the three people died. The boy was from around where I grew up. And yes, many of the injuries were probably real too. But there seems to have been much strange activity going on, like bomb tests and Seals carrying black backpacks. Just before the bombs went off a loudspeaker told people to remain calm.

  363. Carol Newquist April 26, 2013 at 7:14 am #

    are the ones more acceptable e.g., economy, rights, jobs, labor.
    =========
    Yes, yes and yes. This is exactly what they’re doing. Like cockroaches, they find their way in, and once they establish their presence, it’s damn near impossible to get rid of them. They will quite literally destroy your home and ruin your life.
    Don’t forget to add ecological concerns and the effects of over-population to that list. That’s one they’ve been pushing as of late to get the white-bread, doomer/collapse permaculturists on their side.
    I’ve posted it here before, but fascists have a history going way back, even before said fascism was even named, of using ecology and the environment as a platform to extend and leverage their reach. The environmentalists in pre-nazi Germany had significant influence on the formation and rise of Nazism. And Strelnikov wants to bring back those halcyon days.

  364. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    Rhino, CaptSpaulding, Mrs. Soak, BTB, and all of the rest of CFN who offer advice on trolls –
    Let’s make note of the fact that last night there was only one non-Troll Trilogy related post, from Janos to Beantown @ 4:05.
    Other than that it was Trolls to me, Trolls to each other, or antisoak (whose name is actually inspired by a Troll) to Mrs. Soak. And we had one Chinese spam. Light night.
    So – if you guys want to drown out the Troll Trilogy with silence, so they’ll go away, you might want to start doing some posting that someone can respond to.

  365. Carol Newquist April 26, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    More proof that you morons who have cheered and applauded the police state are either hypocrites, impostors, imbeciles, or a combination of all three. Any way you slice that though, I don’t want you to have firearms because all you will do with them is bolster tyranny, not check it, as is witnessed by this article.
    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130402/NEWS/304020344

    Michael Mendes, 33, of 4B Ladd Avenue, refused to leave his home after police responded to a report of a domestic disturbance involving a young child around 2:20 p.m., according to Wareham Police Chief Richard Stanley.
    “As the situation developed, there was a fear that there may be a weapon in the house,” Stanley said following the incident, which ended peacefully.
    “There were no hostages, never any fear of any individuals being in there held against their will, but there were concerns that within the home there were weapons.”
    Police said Mendes’ son was initially in the home, though the man released the boy without incident. A neighbor said the child was a little over a year old.
    Around 2:30 p.m., multiple neighbors were evacuated from their Ladd Avenue homes for concern that Mendes might have a firearm.
    Wareham police set up a perimeter and contacted the state police Special Tactical Operations Team, which responded with a BearCat armored personnel carrier — the same model deployed during a four-hour standoff and shootout on Phillips Road in New Bedford on Thursday.
    State police blocked off a portion of Route 6 leading to Ladd Avenue until the situation was resolved.
    After losing contact with Mendes, the chief said local and state police decided to use “gas” to break the impasse.
    “Once we tried to put gas into the mix, the individual surrendered quickly, and a successful end came to it through the patience and efforts of the professionals we had on the scene,” Stanley said.

    You dirt bags have so backed yourselves into a contradictory corner on this one. It’s why I think you all are the DoD folks. It’s the only thing that would make sense, and, as the saying goes, “the one who smelled it first dealt it.” You all are the ones to first throw that DoD accusation, meaning you dealt it, meaning you are the culprits, meaning here’s my middle finger right up in your crummy faces you worthless little cowards.

  366. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 9:18 am #

    “I’ve posted it here before, but fascists have a history going way back, even before said fascism was even named, of using ecology and the environment as a platform to extend and leverage their reach.”
    – Troll Trilogy member “Carol” –
    And it’s VERY interesting to watch how disinformation campaigns work.
    “Carol” is making a connection between fascists and caring for the environment. Thus, in the Propaganda Mind of “Carol,” the following “Truth?” exists.
    ***
    Fascists once spoke favorably of protecting the natural environment that keeps all human beings alive; Therefore ANYONE who speaks of protecting the environment IS A FASCIST.
    ***
    =============================
    Watch how easy this sort of propaganda is to CREATE OUT OF THIN AIR, once you know the formula:
    “NumbersUSA, which P4C promotes on CFN, was founded and funded by John Tanton.”
    – Troll Trilogy member asoka..dequatio –
    So in the mind of asoka..dequatio the following “TRUTH” exists:
    ***
    John Tanton once spoke favorably of reducing immigration. Therefore anyone who speaks favorably of reducing immigration IS JOHN TANTON, and subscribes to all of the views that JOHN TANTON is alleged to have ever held.
    ***
    Propaganda. Disinformation. Lies. Half-truths.
    These are easy to spot once you know how.

  367. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    The fix is IN, on immigration.
    “…the (immigration) bill was written by and for special interests. Reinforcing that perception is that some of the loudest pro-reform voices are members of the political, business and religious establishment, while opposition is more common among the grassroots.” – article –
    Folks, excluding the Trolls, those of us who come to CFN to think, agree, and disagree – WE ARE the grassroots. (multiplied by millions of real US citizens across 100’s of websites, forums, and real-world contacts)
    The Troll Trilogy seeks to disrupt dialog.
    The Troll Trilogy seeks to increase immigration.
    Look for more Trolls and more smarmy lies and half-truths in the weeks to come.
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/special-interests-shadow-immigration-reform-20130426

  368. ComradeDystopia April 26, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    We find out that in Hartford, founded by English Pilgrims mainly from Essex, British Isles, who deemed themselves ‘Saints’, in America to found a new Jerusalem, now the poorest city in the US after El Paso, 185 city employees carry around in their wallets a city credit card. The Mayor, whose name is Pedro, uses his in fancy restaurants all up and down the east coast, splurging on his ‘husband’, a dude named Jose’. I’m not fabricating this; my imagination is not that vivid. Nobody seems surprised by these revelations. What’s to worry about? I guess it beats the 2 stabbing murders that occurred down there last nite, which is evidence the public is heeding the Governors warning against gunplay.
    Asoka-Carol Newquist-Adequeco … dude, do you have a life? Do you ever sleep? What the hell is your deal?
    –CD

  369. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    People don’t have much stomach for real debate. They might argue details with someone who agrees with their main premises, but debate the premises? No. And they get their premises from the Mainsteam Media which is Tribe. Look how you refuse to acknowledge the New Reality or even speak to me. You are (no rational reason) still clinging to the Rodney King “Can’t we all get along”? The answer to that is obviously No. Once that is out of the way, we can get busy working towards a Real and Viable Future.

  370. ComradeDystopia April 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    Vlad, did I read you right? You grew up in Boston?
    –CD

  371. Rhino April 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    …you might want to start doing some posting that someone can respond to. – P4C
    Yes, I wish I had more time. But time is a scarce commodity and if I doubt the motives of a poster I’m not pissing away any time engaging with them. If you want to then be my guest.
    If JHK sees fit to not moderate this site that’s his business. If trolls turn the comments section into a joke I guess that’s JHK’s business too. But as BeingThere said not too long ago the internet has other sites to conduct discussions.

  372. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    John Tanton once spoke favorably of reducing immigration.
    This is a lie P4C, a lie by understatement.
    John Tanton has a thirty year history of hate.
    John Tanton founded a whole network of anti-immigrant organizations disguised as anti-immigration organizations.
    John Tanton is in bed with antisemitic, neo-Nazi, pro-eugenic, KKK, and other racist groups. It is NOT that he “once spoke” … his whole life is an expression of racism and you are shilling for him.
    P4C, why have you have never publicly denounced John Tanton, his agenda, his racism, or his organizations, one of which you joined and two of which you have promoted on CFN?

  373. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

    Carol says “The guns are so gun manufacturers can make lots of money, that’s what they’re for. Oh, and to make white men with tiny dicks feel larger than they actually are. ” Not true Carol, My gun is for fun and I have never had a complainm about it. My rifle is for shooting and hunting and I I take good care of it.

  374. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Yes. The Dorchester/South Boston area is the largest White Ghetto in America – though there are some nice areas and homes. Celt and Slav mixed very well as both are Catholic and emotional people, though the Slavs are the more somber if not sober. Once Roxbury was a White and Jewish neighborhood but the Blacks used terror to drive out the Whites. One young Rabbi had acid thrown in his face. So many of our Great Cities have fallen to the Schwartzes. When will we take them back?
    The Jews have suffered but they would not change it for the world. They have mastered the art of living in diverse societies and know that we will suffer far more. Anything to thow us down! That’s why they created the NAACP, ADL, SPLC, La Raza, etc.

  375. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Asoka-Carol Newquist-Adequeco … dude, do you have a life? Do you ever sleep? What the hell is your deal?
    –CD
    ==============
    Asoka is dead, and I can’t speak for the Carols.
    I can only speak for myself. I have a life. I sleep well, thank you. My deal is satchitananda.
    Now I have answered three of your questions. You still have not answered my one question to you.
    Do you know what adequatio means?
    (P4C did not provide a correct definition and he misused the word in a sentence. But then he is not too bright.)

  376. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    Many are saying that the Marathon injuries look fake. You were an EMT, what do you think?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZtp–kPQq8&NR=1&feature=endscreen

  377. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    You admitted you were Asoka a few weeks ago shit-for-brains.

  378. Janos Skorenzy April 26, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    Yes, it only makes sense: Conservatives, real ones that is, want to conserve the good thing of the world. And the most endangered species of all is the White Race.

  379. Beantownbill April 26, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    Still, I detect a slightly more reasonable attitude on your part,
    Vlad. What’s going on? I admit I like this more mellow version better than the older, more intolerant one. Not that I’d call you fair-minded.

  380. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

    That’s why [the Jews] created the NAACP, ADL, SPLC, La Raza, etc.
    ===============
    Janos, “the Jews” did not create all those organizations. But even if “the Jews” founded all those organizations, then we should loudly and publicly thank “the Jews” for doing fine humanitarian and civil liberties work.
    The NAACP was founded on February 12, 1909 by a diverse group composed of W.E.B. Du Bois (African American), Ida Wells-Barnett (African American), Archibald Grimke (African American), Henry Moskowitz (Jewish), Mary White Ovington (White), Oswald Garrison Villard (German-born White), and William English Walling (White, and son of a former slave owning family)
    The SPLC was co-founded by civil rights lawyers Morris Dees (white European) and Joseph Levin, Jr. (Jewish) in 1971. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.
    The NCLR (La Raza) was founded by Herman Gallegos (American), Dr. Julian Samora (American), and Dr. Ernesto Galarza (American). NCLR traces its origins to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, as well as to previous efforts that preceded World War II, such as those related to early school and housing desegregation.
    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) was founded in 1913 “to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.” Now the nation’s premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.
    You left out the ACLU, which was founded in 1920 by Crystal Eastman, Roger Baldwin and Walter Nelles. Jewish? I hope so. The ACLU is one of the most important organizations in the USA for protecting civil liberties. And I thank Jews everywhere for their positive influence far beyond their numbers.
    Thank you for drawing attention to these fine organizations, Janos.

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  382. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm #

    You admitted you were Asoka a few weeks ago shit-for-brains.
    Asoka is dead. I am not a Christian, so I do not believe in the resurrection.
    You must be brainwashed by P4C’s constant errant claims, and now you believe them!

  383. ComradeDystopia April 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm #

    I don’t know what ‘Adequecio’ means. I’m sure its heavy with significance.
    –CD

  384. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 6:07 pm #

    LOL! It is a heavy concept alright.
    Education is not what it used to be.
    In 1950, the average size of a new home in the US was 983 square feet; by 2011, it was 2,480 square feet. The average US work week in 1950 was 40.5 hours; it’s now 49 hours. What makes you happy?
    http://www.theooow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/316_adeq1.pdf

  385. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    Well Vlad, I was not there so I can not really comment on the subject. The videos are so erratic that who can really see anything. I do know that Boston has an excellent EMS system and I am sure there were plenty of units staged for the marathon. I am old school and was trained to use the Trendelenburg position for injuries such as this. I also learned to avoid excessive tourniquet use. The recent wars and traumatic injuries of so many have shown that a good tight tourniquet does more good than damage. You are right though the guy in the wheelchair does not seem to be in crisis mode, but every situation is differant. Maybe he has already been dosed with Morphine.

  386. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

    I sense some bitterness and resentment in our community here. Believing in samsara means wanting all to join in the one-ness that is integral to the essence of our central being. I therefore urge so many of the members of our community to In Buddhism, meditation is one of its core elements and is considered to be essential in achieving enlightenment. This aims to develop full consciousness of everything around you and also aims at reducing cravings of material things. Buddhist meditation aims to eliminate the five obstacles of concentration, which can include (a) sensual desire, (b) hatred/anger, (c) laziness, (d) restlessness/worry, and (e) doubt.
    Beginners of Buddhist meditation should be aware of the two techniques or methods used in Buddhism meditation and these include:
    1. Samatha Method: Samatha is performed to develop tranquility and is considered the tranquility meditation. This method is performed to train the mind to concentrate. In performing this method, the mind is trained to concentrate on a particular object for a long period of time. This method is also used to develop your inner strength. People practicing the Samatha method experience happiness in the present life, a favorable rebirth, and freedom from material cravings and worldly things. In this method, the mind becomes completely blank and free from any obstacles.
    2. Vipassana Method: Vipassana is known as the meditation of insight. It is aimed at helping individuals realize the important truths. Using this method provides realization of three things: (a) impermanence, (b) suffering, and (c) non-self.
    There are several cases when practitioners perform a combination of these two methods. Most of the time, the people practicing Samatha methods eventually move on to practice Vipassana after.
    Beginners wanting to practice Buddhist meditation should first be aware of the teachings of the Great Buddha in order to fully understand and appreciate the Buddhist meditation in general. Having this understanding of the teachings of Buddha will make it easier to fully grasp the purpose of performing Buddhist meditation.
    As with the practice of other meditation methods, beginners who want to practice Buddhist meditation should also exhibit willingness, determination, and dedication in learning the method. Performing Buddhist meditation will be able to help you achieve a healthy lifestyle that is free from any harmful vices.
    To learn more about buddhist meditation, check Meditation Program, that our visitors have rated as most helpful meditation material online.
    In Buddhist meditation, the practitioner is provided the chance to have complete control over the mind. Practicing Buddhist meditation regularly will let your mind be free of fear and you will eventually achieve a more relaxed state of mind, which in turn will lead to a healthier body and enlightened soul.
    Coping with everyday stress and problems can be difficult for some people and some may even find it unbearable to a certain point. Thus for most, a quiet vacation is sought just to be able to relax the mind and the body from all the negative energies brought about by stress. However, people should also be aware that the need to have a relaxed mind and body cannot only be achieved with having a vacation. There is even a more effective way of relaxing the body and mind and it is through meditation, particularly Buddhist meditation.
    May peace and love visit your hearts and envelop you in the warm glow of love. It’s love, carolnewquistdotdotdot style, baby, and it’s at once unconditional and unlimited. Because there is not limit to the number of people we can love. That is why I am pro immigration. It is far past time for us to open our hearts and our borders to those who can enrich our lives so tremendously.
    Peace and love to you all, especially Pro Go Corn hole. It’s gonna be alright…because carol says so…

  387. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    We tend to complicate our lives so much today when it really is so simple. Life in the 1950’s was simple. Some say it was the best time in American History, although I would suggest that could be true for most White Americans but not completely true for Black Americans.
    Segregation and racism was still part of life and although there were some major changes to erase both like in 1954, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled segregation in public schools were unconstitutional, there were still problems forcing blacks to take drastic measures for equality and inclusion like in 1955, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a public bus.
    For many Americans, the wars and the depression were a distant memory and the country was feeling good about itself. Most Americans trusted the government and believed in politicians. Society was experiencing growth, economically and socially, and new ideas of prosperity and success for families and the country as a whole were taking shape.
    1950’s Costume Style Design – 1950’s costumes has been trendy and stylelish during the fifties ara. Movie such as 50’s Greaser created many Grease costumes dresses and diner hop design that are still popular today.
    Jobs were mainly industrial and agricultural, most men worked in blue-collar jobs and there was an increase in the need for secretarial work, which allowed for some women to work outside of the home.
    In the 1950’s, television was becoming more and more a part of everyday life, more families had televisions in their homes and AM radio was also becoming more popular, along with the advent of 45 records, jukeboxes, and eventually albums.
    Music was expanding; the sound of rock and roll was creeping into the mainstream with the help of radio and television and teenagers were experiencing more independence and freedom than what their parents had as teenagers.
    However, life in the early 1950’s was still very strict. Women were still obligated to the status of housewife and men were the main breadwinners in the family. Children, including teenagers, were to be seen and not heard but by the mid-1950’s, that was becoming more difficult because of newfound freedoms, rock and roll music, and other outlets teenagers had available to them.
    Changes in clothing styles, specifically for teens, started to appear. Guys started wearing their hear longer with sideburns and slicked back with grease. They also wore jeans and leather jackets (with the collar turned up to be “cool”) and the girls wore ponytails, poodle skirts, pedal pushers, and scarves.
    Prior to the 1950’s, clothing worn by young people was very reserved and proper but to some extent that changed in the 50’s. For example, poodle skirts were popular with females for a couple of reasons.

  388. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 6:33 pm #

    Coming next: Carol discusses the SENSATIONAL SIXTIES! And why it is so important to try to love one another right now!
    SECOND IN A SERIES by carolnewquistdotdotdot

  389. lucky 13 April 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    On some websites they notice the disconnect in
    media coverage:
    Killed in SandyHook
    Killed in Philly by Gosnell!
    Thats a disconnect in coverage.

  390. AMR April 26, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

    My first reaction to your anecdotes was that you were much more cynical and pessimistic than I would have been and that your sister’s behavior was quite unusual in its intensity. On second thought, however, I wonder. I have quite a few friends and relatives whom I’d say have reasonably well developed social and/or civic responsibility, but I sometimes worry that they’re more anomalous than I realize. The narcotizing effect of television that you mention is much more pervasive than I like to contemplate, for example. I hardly watch television anymore unless I’m visiting family or friends, and even the commercials airing during relatively upstanding programs floor me with their blatant manipulation of the audience. The same is true of many of the tricks used in broadcast (and some print) news. The crudeness of these tricks and hence the presumable gullibility of the audience are stunning.
    My mom’s brother and his son are eerily reminiscent of your sister. Her brother turned into a classic self-loathing Jew around the time he got married, probably in order to curry favor with his bigoted Irish/Polish wife. It didn’t matter that he was only half Jewish by blood through his completely secularized father. He and his wife have lately gotten into an apparent folie a deux, nursing paranoid, cryptic grudges against my parents that they refuse to explain. Their son is a true mensch in his personal life, but he has made a fortune by practicing a soulless, mercenary form of corporate law, much like that practiced at Skadden, Arps but at a somewhat smaller and less prestigious firm. This is a guy who used his dad’s membership in the pipefitters’ union as a bargaining chip to secure admission to the School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell.
    I have little idea of how prevalent this sort of craven, petty, self-absorbed behavior really is in the United States. I don’t think it comes through very accurately in surveys, for instance. Most people are too bashful to admit to survey-takers that they’re cutthroat social climbers who find it cathartic or amusing to shit on their own heritage as a way to vent their resentments.

  391. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    P4C this should drive ya nuts. WTF
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXj0hl5T3o

  392. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm #

    E. Holder is a holder, a holder of his distorted views of the USA and what we should be. What is so wrong about shutting down immagration for some time? Shit, I would move to NZ but I don’t think they want me. I’ve got skills and money but they already have that. Maybe if I was a sheephearder I would be cool :o)….

  393. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Holder never used the word amnesty, but the YouTube title uses the word amnesty. I am very disappointed that Holder did not come out and say he favors amnesty. Instead he uses words like “pathway” and “mechanism” which means making people jump through hoops for ten years or more before granting citizenship. Hello? Amnesty is what is needed, not a “pathway” or “mechanism” that just delays everything and leaves millions in a state of limbo. Amnesty is immediate. Sign an amnesty bill and give citizenship immediately. Holder does not favor amnesty. The YouTube video title is false.

  394. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 10:19 pm #

    President Obama has not done enough to help bring about change for the persons who wish to come to this country to achieve the American Dream. Don’t get me wrong, Mr. Obama has sought to make this country a more welcoming place for those who seek a better life for themselves and their families. History clearly shows that immigrants make this country stronger and more vital. And to his credit, Mr. Obama realizes that the way our country deals with immigration is woefully inadequate.
    Even though President Obama has embraced the idea of reforming our ill-conceived immigration system, his administration has presided over the expansion of the most aggressive and punitive policies against immigrant families in U.S. history.
    In the last four years, the U.S. has broken every record for deportations ever set. This administration expanded the controversial “Secure Communities” deportation program to every county in the U.S., often over the objections of local communities and law enforcement.
    Immigration-enforcement strategies under Obama are also costing taxpayers dearly. A report released by the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute detailed how the federal government spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement in 2012 alone. This dwarfs the budget of all other federal law-enforcement agencies, including the FBI and CIA, combined.
    So when will it be enough?
    The Border Network for Human Rights, along with others across the county and along the southern and northern borders, is calling for an immigration reform that doesn’t include more of this costly, punitive and unaccountable enforcement. Instead, we seek to make enforcement systems accountable.
    This also means that these enforcement systems must respect American principles of equality and dignity, civil and human rights, transparency and fiscal responsibility. We want the voices of those most affected, border residents, to be heard in the political debate over immigration.
    Enough damage has been done in the name of “enforcement first.” We must move from “enforcement first” to human rights first, reject more punitive policies, and make enforcement accountability a major part of the coming immigration reform deal.
    Just sayin…

  395. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

    “P4C this should drive ya nuts. WTF”
    – st. elmo –
    Yeah, RT, the fix is IN, on immigration.
    E. Holder and Obomber are shilling for the 1%.
    Glad you found that Holder clip on YouTube.
    That shows you are interested – and researching.
    (US AG advocates for lawbreakers in 40 seconds!)
    Now spread the word.
    It ain’t over, ’till it’s over.

  396. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    “P4C, why have you have never publicly denounced John Tanton, his agenda, his racism, or his organizations, one of which you joined and two of which you have promoted on CFN?”
    -asoka..dequatio-
    This is rich irony, soaker hose, coming as it does from the worst racist on CFN. And yeah, you are FAR worse than Janos – because your racism is cloaked in the smarmy film of political correctness.
    And John Tanton is no longer involved with NumbersUSA. What does he have to do with anything+
    Should I denounce Thomas Jefferson because he was a racist? Or should I denounce those few racist beliefs of Jefferson that have not stood the test of time?
    Should you denounce yourself, asoka..dequatio?
    Because you are a racist.
    But, I’ll tell you, soaker hose – I’ll denounce Tanton – when you give me ANY immigration reduction organization that meets your standards.
    I’m waiting.

  397. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    “If JHK sees fit to not moderate this site that’s his business. If trolls turn the comments section into a joke I guess that’s JHK’s business too. But as BeingThere said not too long ago the internet has other sites to conduct discussions.”
    -rhino-
    Your points are noted with agreement, rhino.
    This thread has been up and down through the years.
    Now it’s down.
    Somebody has to oppose the hate and lies of the “carol’s” et al, though. Plus, it’s fun.
    Have you found another place like this place?
    I’m all eyes and fingers.

  398. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    400th, BITCHES!!!

  399. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    “Look how you refuse to acknowledge the New Reality or even speak to me.” -js-
    I’ve told you before, Janos, if you ask me a direct question, I’ll answer it.
    Chances are you might not like the answer I give, though.

  400. carolnewquist... April 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm #

    Can’t say I fault you for your intelligence, cause you don’t have any.

  401. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 11:05 pm #

    Oh, I spread the word. Believe me. We have enough people in this country already. I personally know dozens who do not work, collect medical benefits, food subsidies, etc, etc. I picked up new immigrants who never paid a dime in taxes and needed literaly hundreds of thousands of dollars for medicle care because their former countries provided nothing. I also saw US WWII vets getting shit for benefits and living like paupers. Does this sound fair to Adequatio, ASOKA, Carolbaby and all the other resident impediments? It pissed off my brother FD workers to no end. We had an ex-marine who served on Iwo who was living on a coupla hundred a month we picked up once in a while. Then we had the recent immigrants with cellsphones, flat sceen tv’s and free rent and heat. What is wrong with this picture?

  402. progress4conserving April 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

    “Can’t say I fault you for your intelligence, cause you don’t have any.”
    – the Troll Trilogy, agent “carol…” –
    Does this response make any sense to you, Rhino?
    Do you remember poster TootSie?
    Sounds like this dimbulb, doesn’t it.
    I’m out ’till next week, most likely.
    Hope JHK posts on time.
    Send faxes.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/action/board

  403. stelmosfire April 26, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    400th!!! Yippe Ki Yay MF. CarolNewquist bite me! Have you ever done anything productive in your sorry ass meaningless life?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlCQthIt9-Q

  404. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 11:30 pm #

    And John Tanton is no longer involved with NumbersUSA. What does he have to do with anything
    Roy Beck, is the NumbersUSA CEO. Roy Beck spent several years as Washington editor of The Social Contract, John Tanton’s journal, a journal that defined immigration on the basis of ethnicity.
    John Tanton once dubbed Mr. Beck his “heir apparent.” Since ethno-centric ideas are not in fashion anymore, these John Tanton organizations, including the one Roy Beck runs, are trying extra hard to portray themselves as mainstream. They srub their website because they don’t want the public to know their real motive.
    You are an idiot if you don’t know what John Tanton has to do with Roy Beck and NumbersUSA. But what you really are is a lying duplicitous racist.

  405. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 11:40 pm #

    ^scrub

  406. adequatio April 26, 2013 at 11:50 pm #

    But, I’ll tell you, soaker hose – I’ll denounce Tanton – when you give me ANY immigration reduction organization that meets your standards.
    Not only are you lying, deceptive, and racist. You are also a coward. You and John Tanton were made for each other.

  407. Julian C. Lee April 27, 2013 at 12:51 am #

    A fellow without any special loyalty to his own family, people and nation is lacking in virtue.
    A fellow who is not racist on the side of his own natural people and the community they create — is also a disgusting and pathetic individual.

  408. Julian C. Lee April 27, 2013 at 1:15 am #

    This video shows the group of risis actors close to the “bomb” just after it went off. It’s very good footage and shows a lot. You can see there is not one single wound in any of them. No puncture wounds or blood from a bomb supposedly packed with nails and ball bearings, and which supposedly removed both legs of a guy in the group. These people should have been peppered with bleeding holes.
    That Jewars amputee — star performer of this false flag — can be seen in the top of the frame reaching up and strapping on his gore prosthetic. There no blood anywhere on his legs yet and the final result (seen wheeling down the street) is asininely fake.
    An old woman is in red to the lower left. Later she is shown in a photo seen worldwide being wheeled away in a wheelchair with blood on her legs and face. At :07 and :08 you can see most of her upper legs clearly. There is not a speck of blood or wound on her legs or anywhere else.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GyAtgNkg4k
    This video also shows a “victim” getting up, adjusting his “blown up shorts,” then sitting right back down again, simply changing position in the group. He may have been getting better position to do his visual blocking assignment (blocking went on as the amputee put on his gore prosthetic), or for the blood spraying, or just to be at a better camera angle, or just because he was stupid.
    Look into this! Fake is all over it!
    I wonder why race-destruction, nation-destruction, family-destruction, and running cover for NWO false flag attacks — always come under the same mouth-roof?

  409. Julian C. Lee April 27, 2013 at 1:22 am #

    “crisis actors”
    This one is interesting. It shows the same, um, sayanim being interviewed by JewsNews as a “witness” to the marathon explosion and the shootout (takedown) of one of the patsies. There is no question it’s the same woman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkP9DUe0xYM

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  411. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 1:35 am #

    Hundreds of bystanders and runners, Boston residents, police, and media, as well as the President — collaborated to stage a hoax?
    Everyone you saw on television was a “crisis actor” paid to play a part? The media didn’t notice? Allegedly the entire city of Boston, Massachusetts is akin to “The Truman Show,” where everyone is a paid actor.

  412. Julian C. Lee April 27, 2013 at 1:39 am #

    “The media didn’t notice?”
    There is an awful lot, of course, that the media deliberately don’t “notice.” Like the obvious controlled demolition of Building 7, etc. etc.
    Everybody was immediately shooed away from the little group of crisis actors, obviously by the cops. All that matters, in the minds of these Hollywood Moguls, is what’s on the camera, what’s broadcast on TV, and what the masses believe. But look at the pictures.

  413. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 2:00 am #

    Leftist Murderers forgiven by Clinton and end up teaching in American Universities. Monstrous.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/10/how-1960s-radicals-ended-up-teaching-your-kids.html

  414. Michigan Native April 27, 2013 at 2:14 am #

    The positive side of my mother’s influence, being a very well respected local public school teacher, was that she demanded that I achieve, else I may not have learned to read, write, and do math so well. She also made me take piano lessons which I hated (being into Kiss, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath in grade school, and then after getting in with the wrong crowd, Jethro Tull, ELP, Yes, Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, and other psychedelic bands, I hated classical music (in grade school). Now I still love progressive rock but I learned to like those classical numbers along with ragtime, Jelly Roll Morton, and boogie woogie piano with some jazz kicked in for good measure….my idol is Axel Zwingenberger and Keith Emerson) The biggest bummer was dragging me away kicking and screaming every Saturday to go to 400pm mass, half way “Sir Graves Ghastly” on the local channel. I survived 12 years of catholic school, and while in grade school, had to listen to the same boring old fucker tell us we are all worthless, damned by a God that was all too eager to sentence us to a life of hellfire and brimstone with a vengeance 5 days a week, M-F, then have to go again on Saturday with my psychotic mother because it was the “Sabbath day”, or some shit like that. Right in the middle of Godzilla’s Revenge or Creature From The Black Lagoon. Ultimate bummer, until I got too big and she stopped forcing me to go. Catholics go to heaven on the installment plan….they go listen to the same old guilt trip, act out of fear which brings about primitive human emotions, chant and pray and go through all these ridiculous rituals to appease a pissed off deity, then think they have paid their dues so go back to their selfish, hateful “fuck everyone else” behavior, because they have paryed the rosary, flogged themselves with shards of glass (I would be more than glad to do that for them, asshole bastards), some of the truly stupid like to get crucified. And many of us think the Muslims are crazy. Go figure. They are all fucking insane, save for the Buddhists and nature based beliefs, in my humble opinion
    The pervasive and poisonous, soul sucking, brainwashing effects of the advent of television. Google the lyrics of the late, great Frank Zappa’s “I’m The Slime”. Sex (which I am not against, but how pathetic that the Big Mac vs Whopper types have to be scratched under their chins to buy this or that brand of (likely) imported junk that they do not need, cannot afford, and will likely break down not long after they waste their money purchasing it.
    While I am envisioning a post collapse US, when the dollar collapses, the energy needed to maintain the “marvels” of industrialization that were predicated on the illusion of free or cheap energy evaporates as people burn US treasury notes along with their furniture and anything else that can be used as heating fuel to keep warm and cook the insects, rats, and tree bark they eat as a prelude to mass starvation, I am reminded of the commercials of the “good old days”, kinda like one of the characters from JHK’s “World Made By Hand”….excellent book, you must read.
    While I toil away at work, saving people’s lives or giving them comfort or help in their time of need, the profession I work in is beginning to collapse. Laying people off. Cutting staff. Slashing benefits. Demanding more when we are already doing more than most could do humanly possible. I know the ship is sinking, so I amuse myself in a kind of macabre way.
    I sometimes replay in my memory some of the commercials that I remember when I was once an addict of the one eyed babysitter, that instrument of brainwashing, the television.
    Let me randomly recall the horseshit….”Come on little bug em, you can get it done…smash, bang, crash em up, smash up derby is fun”. Rock em sock em robots…”oh, you knocked my block off”. Violent cartoons aside (speed racer, spider man, etc)(I still love the 3 stooges, so I will pardon them), you have all those cops as good guys fantasies…Starsky and Hutch, Charlies Angels, etc.. You wonder why your kids are growing up to be sadists? Violence sells. Sex sells. Nothing has changed since the beginning of mankind. Toss in a healthy diet of “happy meals” with aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, and other toxins, preservatives, and carcinogens and it is no wonder cases of ADHD are up 60% from the last study, no wonder why the US cannot convert to the vastly superior metric system, and why not a week goes by without some mass shooting (a collapsing system is the icing on the cake)
    So there you have it. American culture at it’s finest. Shut up (if you do not, you will likely feel the full force of “law and order”), consume (until you are so far in debt to various scams that you’re lives and futures are ruined), and obey (else you will quickly find out how anemic or non existent your supposed rights will be as you wind up at Gitmo or are the victim of curbside “justice”)
    It has been the “American way” (which the neocons tell us is non negotiable….good luck with that when the dollar is dropped as the world’s reserve currency) for quite some time now. The delusion of freedom and “democracy”, endless propserity. Only now, that lie is wearing thin and soon the masses of once flag waving “go get em, USA USA’ types will realize the hard way that no amount of flag waving, patriotic chants, praying, denial, or wishful thinking will keep food on their tables, shelter, transportation to where they need to go, or keeping their families safe from the coming collapse, will spare them from the long emergency.
    A tragedy in the making and soon to run its course, I am believing

  415. Michigan Native April 27, 2013 at 3:52 am #

    Thanks. Sometimes, I try hard to be articulate. Other times, I like to catch a good beer buzz and play Andrew Dice Clay or Chris Rock, or be a half assed version of one with sarcastic humor.
    Why do empires collapse? Because they employ the usual tricks, which like the laws on entropy, are subject to the laws of diminishing returns over time. The US is learning this the sudden but hard way. We were “never too big too fail”, and after we soon collapse, many will still think it’s all the fault of the Arabs, the oil companies, or the “new world order”, when in fact, it had everything to do with greed, arrogance, short sightedness which includes the reality that endless growth was never possible on a planet with the limits of growth and finite rsources which are have depleted or are soon to deplete with a planet whose carrying capacity has swelled by some 6 billion people with the anomaly of fossils fuels….inputs from diesel power, irrigation, fertilizer, pesticides, etc all completely impossible without energy dense, fossil fuels
    The US is broke and is close to its breaking point, and we were never too big to fail. The dollar soon to get dropped as the world’s reserve currency, and we no longer live high off the hog
    I highly recommend all to read the works by James Howard Kunstler, Dmirty Orlov, Michael Ruppert (especially his DVD collapse), and Richard Heinberg) as a starting point.
    When you read the facts and wake up, then you that no amount of denial or blaming or even warfare will work. The US threw a party which they thought would never end, but to paraphrase Heinberg…..the (free) wine and cheese have run out, and now the lights are turning off. “The joyride is over” (Dmitry Orlov)
    So all of this is in vain. The wall of denial cannot be broken
    I work in the healthcare field, so I can make an analogy I see with peak oil and the terminal prognosis of cancer. The 5 stages of collapse cover this in a different way, but I will make a different analogy based on what I see all too much for my sanity
    The diagnosis…fear…can’t be true. I am too big too fail (denial…..an initial defense mechanism which by most people think they will live forever)
    Anger…..it’s those son of a bitches that hold the cure (more oil), the “new world order” has it, they are hiding us a cure to keep us under their control
    Bargaining….well maybe if we agree to pay off our massive debt and stop bombing and bullying the oil exporting countries, especially now that we lack the resources to do so, maybe if we kiss their ass they will give us some (a gesture in futility)
    Depresion….when the above stages become futile and reality sets in…..you are fucked and you have no friends, the party is over once and for all
    Acceptance…..I’d be better off dead than suffer another minute of hunger, cold, disease. We don’t live forever afterall. When suffering overtakes pleasure as the daily norm, then fear, anger, bargaining lose out to the wish and acceptance that all of the above will be over
    I see this almost daily in my line of work, and like anything threatening to the human ego, complete with defense mechanisms, peak oil, like Dmitry Orlov pointed out, mirrors the 5 stages of grief during the dying process
    So go through your denial process, you peak oil denialist assholes, then bargain that there will “always be new discoveries” or that “technology” will save you (like as though the spike in oil prices would not have brought about a viable alternative by now)
    When the price of oil begins to take rapid up and down turns as a prelude to its running out (due to the decline of the dollar and ever supplies), then bargain for some more (we need to ‘drill baby, drill’) until there are no more massive oil wells to be found (peak having been reached in 2005), then kiss your former way of life goodbye to a new reality from which most americans are moire than ill prepared for
    Depression?? It is already well under way and gaining every day. Open your eyes and look around you.
    Collapse following these 5 stages? You would have to be deaf, dumb, and in total denial unless you cannot cross the denial phase to realize that your future way of life as you once knew it is coming to a rather rapid end

  416. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 3:57 am #

    This one identifies a whole team of crisis actors – one of whom was a veteran and double amputee. He thinks one of the bombs was real and caused real injury and death.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=zkXvxs_kzLU&NR=1

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  418. ozone April 27, 2013 at 7:16 am #

    Your visions of collapse in the good ol’ FUSA (which I agree with, BTW) make the commercial, buy-this-junk, purposefully repellent posts by the Chinese spammer especially cruel and mocking. (IOW, form and function perfectly realized.)
    As an aside, why do those who think they can “fathom the mind of God” or “the intent of the Universe”, believe that they will escape the coming privations? The futility of this mind-set is downright bewildering, and that’s not even taking into consideration the time and energy wasted. The phrase, “they died for nothing”, comes immediately to mind. (Yes, Peeps, it will eventually be discovered that those who died for the ‘Murkin Oil Wars, died in vain.)

  419. ozone April 27, 2013 at 7:41 am #

    Got a few inconvenient questions regarding the pressure-cooked Boston baked beans? Well, so does Pepe (amongst others).
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34738.htm
    …from complacency and cosseted incuriousity to tyranny and slavery…

  420. ozone April 27, 2013 at 8:16 am #

    Have a distaste for the word “conspiracy”? Then, let’s just call this one “legalized collusion”. Better?
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34732.htm
    Now that we’ve established actuality of surveillance, let’s work on our acceptance of disruptive psy-ops. You’ll feel better once fear has been removed as a factor… really, you will! ;o) (Remember, fear of death is what allows religious institutions primal sway over their kow-towing, superstitious flock.)

  421. ozone April 27, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    …Which brings us right back around to the “legalized collusion” of the gum’mint DOJ with financial mountebanks and charlatans. If a person with an avowed allergy to [accusations of] conspiracy (JHK) should find something off-kilter/wonky going on with “financial policy”, then you might want to look into it a bit too…

  422. ozone April 27, 2013 at 8:37 am #

    One last thing:
    The fact that Bush the Lesser’s propaganda outlet and history revision monument (Prez’denshul lie-berry) was even built is a testament to just how far we’ve fallen down the rabbit hole. It’s getting close to being grimly laughable ’round these parts.

  423. ozone April 27, 2013 at 8:45 am #

    Not to worry; the big banks have got your back…-side.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425
    9 out of 10 Cassandra’s agree. (Smoke Chesterfields!)

  424. carolnewquist... April 27, 2013 at 8:51 am #

    Oh dear! More doom and gloom. I was listening to NPR the other day and apparently research into finding cars that run on batteries 700 times, yes, 700 TIMES more efficient than the ones currently found on vehicles like the Cruz or Volt is beginning to pan out. Do you know what this means? It means a car can be outfitted with a battery capable of holding a charge for over a month in a half, assuming 30 minutes a day local, town driving, without a recharge. Effectively this gives the car a MPG of around 107 town, 135 highway. And when do they expect these cars to begin to appear in showrooms/dealerships? As early as 2018 (fall). That is only 5 years away!
    Also, GDP is UP to over 2%. Unemployment is down to around 7.2% and continues to fall. Average work week hours are down to about 32, but who on god’s green earth wants to spend her whole life working anyway? Don’t want to scale down your standard of living? Well, you really should, because the U.S. has staggering rates of cancer, diabetes and obesity. Change out that steak and potato meal to one of sprouts and walk to the store instead of driving. You’ll feel better, look better and have more energy.
    We live in a positively wonderful age where the stock market consistently outperforms other modes of investment. Interest rates are so low that owning a home is within reach of just about anyone who has a decent credit score and a fair sized down payment.
    On top of that, polls show that wide spread acceptance of racial intermarriage is the norm now and not the exception. Our gay brothers and sisters will soon be able to marry as over 52% of Americans support gay marriage, proving once again there is no limit to the number of people we can love. So brush off the Gloomy Gus attitude and show Debbie Downer the door. Things have never been so good.

  425. carolnewquist... April 27, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    On the contrary, why do we continue to support old men who decimated much of Europe and participated in one of the bloodiest wars in history? You seem to dislike welfare, so why do you support it for those murderers? Is it because they’re white and not brown? Nah, that can’t be it, I mean, right? Me thinks me smells a double standard here stelmosfire. As Michael Jackson once said, start by looking at “The Man in the Mirror”. It’s scary for you, I know. But carolnewquistdotdotdot believes you can do it and come out a better man. Try it. and let the power of carolnewquistdotdotdot be with you.

  426. carolnewquist... April 27, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    Declaring one to be “first” or “four hundredth” is a way for CFN’ers to celebrate the small things in life. There are those of us who do not constantly have to dwell on negative vibes in order to be full and contented human beings.
    And to answer your question, yes, I have done several things in my life of which I am proud. Getting a vasectomy early in my 20s ensured that I would not be part of over burdening the world with more people. How bout you?

  427. progress4conserving April 27, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    “Not only are you lying, deceptive, and racist. You are also a coward.”
    -asoka..dequatio/carol…/The Troll Trilogy-
    When facts and logic fail, resort of insults and name-calling, right, “adequatio?”

  428. progress4conserving April 27, 2013 at 10:35 am #

    What we see on immigration on CFN can be considered a microcosm of the whole country. When good men and women learn the facts, they gradually become more and more opposed to high immigration rates into the United States. This was observed to happen to this writer (once progressorconserve, now P4C) and to Beantown Bill.
    Many other posters, even the extremely “liberal?” ones, like Bustin Jay, are already opposed to most US immigration before they even show up at CFN. Again, truth and logic are powerful forces – when people allow themselves to consider truth and apply logic.
    Then we have posters like Bukko Canuko, Buck’s a Stud, and probably a few others. These people, apparently, refuse to consider the true implications of the excessive population growth of the United States. Being lulled by the thought that, “They will think of something,” or “We are a nation of immigrants,” or some such nonsense – they watch as the US plows through all the environmental and energy reserves that MIGHT be necessary if the “good times” ever stop.
    Then we have the upper echelons of the 1%. These corporate types are tightly focused on quarterly profits – which immigration MAY maximize. Those who care about the long term future of the US or of humanity are either drugged with Prozac analogs – or forced out of corporate life altogether.
    Asoka..dequatio and the “carols,” are shilling for K-Street and the 1%. We’ll never know if their motives are genuine and unfortunate – like the “open borders” groups – or whether the are pure filthy (though PC) racists like “La Raza.”
    But the outcome will be the same. If this immigration “reform” is not stopped dead in its tracks, a great human and environmental disaster is going to go to completion – courtesy of the United States immigration policy.

  429. progress4conserving April 27, 2013 at 10:37 am #

    So you see, it is easy to post several posts in a short time period.
    Gee, if I had some spoofed ISP’s and some fake screennames – I could be just like asoka and carol…
    Except I would not be a nasty, truth-denying, environment-destroying racist like the person responsible for those screennames.

  430. progress4conserving April 27, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    NOW – I’m probably out ’till Monday. maybe
    Join NumbersUSA for FREE and send their faxes!
    Mention NumberUSA on EVERY website you visit that is the least related to immigration, energy, or the environment.
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  431. ComradeDystopia April 27, 2013 at 10:59 am #

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    1) He’s black
    2) It shines an even worse light on abortion, if that’s possible. Dr. Gosnell wasn’t discussed amongst polite company at the big abortion rally Obama attended this wee, either. This is a story, as gruesome and salacious as they come, that the MSM and Libs wish would go away.
    Last night I half heard a brief report on the AM radio news about a break thru in Nuclear Fusion as a source of energy. Does anybody know anything about it?
    –CD

  432. stelmosfire April 27, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    For starters Iwo was in the Pacific theater, we didn’t start the fire , we just put it out with our young soldiers blood. Can you say Nanking? I know you think we are the bad guys but I tend to disagree. Awful things were done by both sides but I believe some were worse than others. Sure we dropped the nukes. But hey they picked the fight and ended up gettin’ whooped, so there.You gotta know if the Japanese or Nazis got the nuke they would not have hesitated for a minute especially because they were desperate at that point in ’45. What say you about this. We can’t all live in a fairy tale. War has been around since the caveman and will never go away. Sad but true. It is the nature of the beast which is us.

  433. Buck's A Stud April 27, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    Your pretentious citations of other posters alleged viewpoints is an embarrassing joke. I know, this crusade you’re on provides you with a sense of purpose, but you are hardly an “all-seeing” type. In fact, to be perfectly honest you strike me as nothing more than a silver-spoon snot who imagines his own perceived lack of future privilege will prove to be a catastrophe for the rest of humanity. Put another way, I wouldn’t lift a finger for you, much less join ‘your team’.
    And as far as “La Raza” you don’t have a clue. I grew up around many of the most militant members and actually attended a high school where many of the walk-outs occurred. I recall those hot summer nights and the fiery emotions emanating from La Raza Park that seemingly inflamed and transformed the cool brown berets capping the heads of proud militants into an inspired shade of burnt sienna passion. Although I didn’t understand it at the time,in retrospect the movement felt far deeper than a superficial tracing of Corky Gonzales’ literary masterpiece and more like a seminal invocation of Joaquin Murrieta himself.
    And just last night, I found myself butting ahead of a quiet polite Mexican man waiting to return a rented video. Noticing my own rather rude protrusion, I yielded and asked this man if he would like to go ahead. He declined in the most soft-spoken and polite English and I thought to myself: These are the children of the 80s’ Mexican immigrants – educated, acculturated,politically active. And ironically enough, they also seem to lack that abrasive militant chip on the shoulder that characterized the “Crusade for Justice” Chicano firebrands from the 70s’. The reason for this, IMO, is the most recent newcomers were welcomed and accommodated by the public school system in the form of specialized English immersion classes.
    I realize this up close-up perspective is miles apart from the descendant of former slave owners quivering in fear at the prospect of change, but you should at least try and garner a sliver of historical perspective/education regarding the issue. Otherwise, you come off as just another dumb ass whistling Dixie in the dark.

  434. stelmosfire April 27, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Nothing wrong with the man in my mirror except I can’t stand the reverse image, It makes it tough to trim my nose hair without poking myself! :o)

  435. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    La Raza means “The Race”. Why do you oppose this for Whites but applaud it for Browns – theoreticaly of course. Practically it’s insane as well since many of them openly call for Whites (you) to be driven out of the Southwest – and Colorado is now the Southwest, in fact all of America now is.
    Decades ago they just called for better treatment and opposed illegal immigration. Then they got ballsier and called for amnesty. Still no sign of a White backbone, so they started calling for open borders. Then their own Nation in the Southwest. Then it was Pilgrims go back to the 13 Colonies. Now it’s go back to Europe and kill any Whites who don’t leave the Southwest. See the pattern? Just as with any predator, weakness emboldens.
    If you have to be a racist, why not be one for your own People, one where you actually benefit? I mean you stance is not only masochistic but literally crazy…

  436. Beantownbill April 27, 2013 at 12:40 pm #

    MN, I agree with you in the sense that if we stay along our current path we are doomed. But your fine, provocative writing style makes me feel like I’m in a burning building with no way out, watching as the flames are getting closer and closer.
    Could it be, given your personal history, and working in a field which displays a lot of pain and suffering, that your life experiences have colored your thinking black? In your field, isn’t there an occasional victory, wherein someone recovers even if it rarely happens? Doesn’t it make you feel good about that? If not, could you be suffering from ahedonia? I’m not criticizing, just trying to get a handle on your thought processes.
    I’m not a wide-eyed optimist, but neither am I a dark doom and gloom person. As long as I live in relatively good mental, emotional and physical health, I can’t be pessimistic. If I’m alive at this moment, then i just have positive feelings.
    You’ve anguishly written about parts of your life. Believe me, I understand, because I have suffered emotionally in the past. But there’s something about me that won’t let me give up. After many years of struggling, I’ve achieved peace of mind (mostly). I’m not trying to be a Pollyanna here, just saying it seems to be a great expenditure of energy to be so gloomy. Yes, we are heading on a dark path, but unexpected forks in the road do present themselves.

  437. Buck's A Stud April 27, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    Vlad,
    As usual, you highlight the militant musings of a few and attach it the whole: classic propaganda misdirection.
    I have known Mexicans all my life and not once have I heard a call for my ouster. Moreover, and much to my chagrin, many of my childhood friends who were militant Chicano activists, bought into the GOP conservative ideology. As inexplicable as this seemed to me, when I look at some of their FB postings I often notice proudly displayed pictures of relatives in American military uniform. In other words, this issue is far more entwined and integrated – indeed, ironic and complex – than your simple racist delineations would care to apprehend.
    Bottom line: Mexican people were here long before you and I and they will be here long after were gone

  438. Beantownbill April 27, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    I have the same problem. Why do I have to have a hair that is so hard to get to? Why do I end up with blood dripping down from a puncture in the side of my nose? Where does my lap go when I stand up? These and other questions keep me up at night.

  439. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    La Raza means “The Race”. Why do you oppose this for Whites but applaud it for Browns
    “La Raza” symbolically means “the people”. It is equivalent in meaning and intent to the German word Volk.
    In the specific context of the organization “La Raza” it means the “the cosmic race” because Latinos do not share a common race. Some are white, some are black, some are hispanic.
    Like you, Janos, many people incorrectly translate NCLR’s, “La Raza,” as “the race.”
    While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.
    As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”
    Translating NCLR’s name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
    The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.”
    The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others.
    In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.
    And this is not just NCLR’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:
    “…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”
    Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:
    “Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”
    The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:
    “…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”

  440. carolnewquist... April 27, 2013 at 12:59 pm #

    As Yogi Bera once said, “If you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

  441. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

    Yes, because it is the one less traveled by, and that will make all the difference.

  442. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 1:17 pm #

    For starters … we didn’t start the fire , we just put it out with our young soldiers blood.
    ==============
    Oh, yes you did start it. The Japanese did not wake up one day and say: “Gee, let’s attack the USA today!” The USA provoked the Japanese attack. All the young soldiers died in vain.

    The Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.” The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

  443. carolnewquist... April 27, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    It may seem odd to you, but your shilling for Numbers USA and wanting people to join up doesn’t upset me at all. I choose happiness whenever I can. People like you who (proudly?!) proclaim that they are descendants of slave owners were brought kicking and screaming into the 20th century and now we have a repeat of your childish behavior in the 21st. You’re probably a member of the KKK but know better than to persuade people to join it on this forum.
    You remind me of a guy I met in Kissimee Florida outside of Disney World who told me proudly that he and his family never spent a dime on those dentists. He then flashed a Southern smile of his not-so-pearly yellows, outlined in brown and black, with gaps around every two or three jagged teeth. He had this double row of teeth on the bottom which reminded me of the poster of the movie Jaws, which had come out the previous summer.

  444. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    And it has the wonderful side effect of making our Troll Trilogy unhappy!
    ============
    LOL! You like to make people unhappy? If that is why you post, bring it on! I’ll keep presenting facts in response, like what NumbersUSA is doing this week.
    Roy Beck of Numbers USA is lying.
    He is lying about the legal immigration reform plan. That plan has garnered bipartisanship support from both Republicans and Democrats. Roy Beck claims the Outline of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 is amnesty.
    Nothing can be further from the truth.
    The 2013 Legal immigration reform bill is a major step forward in securing your Nation because only after everyone is registered and documented will we know who is in your Nation and where you can find them. Bringing the immigrants out of the shadows will only strengthen USA security.
    Former Republican Ronald Reagan gave amnesty, and the 2013 bipartisanship bill does not give amnesty.
    Furthermore, and more importantly … the only immigrants who are given privileged amnesty are the Cuban immigrants under the Cuban Adjustment Act where Cuban immigrants receive government benefits once their wet-foot reaches dry-land.
    Why hasn’t P4C, Roy Beck, and Numbers USA addressed the privileged Cuban amnesty if they are really against amnesty? Mexican immigrants do not get government benefits that Cuban immigrants receive.
    It is clear that the immigration system is broken and that is why Obama’s bipartisanship effort proposes to fix the immigration system via a legal immigration plan.
    As CFN knows, Roy Beck has a history, too, with his ties to John Tanton. John Tanton, is a bigot and founder of many of the nation’s key nativist and anti-immigrant groups. Cowardly racist P4C is right there with John Tanton and NumbersUSA, lying just like Roy Beck is lying.

  445. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    Oh so we’re going somewhere? Care to elaborate? Will it be expulsion or genocide? In any case, you have no problem with it evidently. And many Mexican radicals have gone mainstream without giving up their radicalism. Just like the Blacks before them, or the White for that matter. Read my link above about the Weathermen who now stalk the corridors of power.
    Would you have offered a White guy your place in line? Why would you? Where would be the thrill, the frisson up the leg, the feeling of moral superiority, the oh so White degenerate joy of winning by losing?
    Many Indians loathe the Mexicans and are terrified of what’s happening. After all, their treaties are with us and not the Mexican Goverment. The Aztecs were related linguistically and ethnically to the Ute Tribe, but the Utes practiced another religion completely. The kindreds diverged and the Aztecs adopted and/or developed the Cult of Death so prevalent in Meso-America.

  446. Buck's A Stud April 27, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    BTB,
    Your thoughts reminded me of a Nietzsche passage I read some time ago:
    “…there is fortunately no tragic need for it [the human condition/life] to be a tragic synthesis. At least this holds good for those well-constituted and joyful mortals who are far from regarding their unstable equilibrium between “animal and angel” as necessarily an argument against existence – the subtlest and brightest among them have even found in it, like Goethe and Hafiz, one more stimulus to life. It is precisely such contradictions that stimulate one to existence…”

  447. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 1:54 pm #

    Goethe might have agreed with that, but Hafiz would advise one to choose the Angel – without despairing about the animal. Rather the animal or “nafs” in Sufi Speak is something to be kept under control but not despised.
    On a higher level some of the mystics have a doctrine that parallels that however. They thank God for their sins since it gives them something to surrender and feel humble for. One who is too pure might lack the fuel the passions provide in the Journey to the East. After all, Man was not created an Angel and has his own process.

  448. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Your Kissimee T shirt doesn’t work. No one ever will.

  449. Buck's A Stud April 27, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Vlad,
    I was responding to your claim that ” La Raza” seeks ‘to evict the current white tenants.And now you twist my response to your allegation as some covert inference?
    Come on; you’re better than stupid games of semantic gotcha.
    And, BTW, many Mexicans also attend Crow Dog’s Paradise. You see Vlad, your long anticipated race war is a non-starter: too many people of various ethnic groups are invested in each other.

  450. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    Numbers USA is a well known anti-immigrant organization with questionable anti-semitic ties.
    SPLC has this to say with regard to Roy Beck of Numbers USA:
    Beck has also written for and edited Tanton’s white nationalist quarterly, The Social Contract. He was still the magazine’s Washington editor in 1998 when the journal published what may have been its most lurid edition ever, “Europhobia: The Hostility to European-Descended Americans.” In 1996, he addressed a meeting of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white nationalist hate group that has referred to blacks as a “retrograde species of humanity.”
    P4C is right there with John Tanton, Roy Beck and NumbersUSA, lying about amnesty, and promoting partisan division and hate.

  451. Janos Skorenzy April 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

    My claim? Have you forgotten the mass demonstrations, the slogans, the signs telling us to leave? I am speechless.
    Your assumption that Mexicans are Indians is as facile as it is wrong. They have that self image I admit, but so what? And even if some of them are Indians, they are not “our” Indians. Not all Indians are the same. To assume so bespeaks White privledge and racism.

  452. adequatio April 27, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    While Roy Beck of NumbersUSA is lying about Obama’s reform bill being “amnesty” there are other organizations actively pushing FOR AMNESTY which can be joined and supported. There are many other pro-immigration organizations. Some of these are organizations Janos called attention to recently.
    American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),
    Anti-Defamation League
    National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)
    People for the American Way
    Chamber of Commerce (U.S.)
    Change to Win
    Laborers’ International Union of North America
    American Jewish Committee
    Assemblies of God
    Brethren In Christ Church
    Christian Reformed Church in N. America
    Christianity Today (magazine)
    Church of God (Cleveland, TN)
    Church of the Nazarene
    Church World Service, Immigration and Refugee Program
    Elim Fellowship
    Episcopal Church
    Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
    Foursquare Church
    Grace Communion International
    Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS)
    Mennonite Central Committee Washington Office
    Missionary Church
    National Council of Churches
    National Council of Jewish Women
    Presbyterian Church (USA)
    Rabbinical Assembly
    Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
    Sojourners/Call to Renewal/ Christians for Comprehensive Immigration
    U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
    Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
    United Church of Christ
    United Methodist Church, General Board of Church and Society
    United Methodist Council of Bishops
    Vineyard USA
    Wesleyan Church
    World Relief
    There is no need to join all of these groups.
    Just know that if you support amnesty you are in good company.

  453. Buck's A Stud April 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm