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A Fog of Mendacity

     Those frightening sounds, sights, and odors on the wind this foreboding snowless winter – like emanations from some back ward of a global psychiatric hospital – are the signs of a nation going completely mad. The traumatic rise of oil prices above the $100 level is one irritant, prompting a range of people-who-oughta-know-better to gibber and fulminate as though they’d been locked in the nation’s attic since Thanksgiving with nothing to do but play with a box of pencils. Meanwhile, several absurd “narratives” circulate around the mainstream media that are sure to cause this country more trouble – as any set of pernicious untruths will.
     One popular new lie is that US oil production is suddenly so robust that America is about to become a leading world oil exporter again – which is completely untrue. The lie arises at the intersection of wishful thinking and the willful misuse of statistics. It was trumpeted by the appallingly credulous Tom Friedman in his Sunday New York Times column, of all places, and it shows how effective the oil and gas industry’s propaganda campaign has been.
     A lot of the wishing comes out of the shale oil and shale gas sectors. Those TV commercials you see around the news hours on the cable networks are designed to extract investment capital from elderly people who have been swindled in the bond markets and don’t know where to stick their dwindling retirement funds. Shale oil and gas must seem like a good bet to them, especially the ones marooned in retirement housing clusters in dismal places like Arizona and Florida, where not being able to drive is a virtual death sentence.
     The US government is in on this propaganda offensive, especially the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Agency (EIA), which routinely issues overly optimistic reports about future oil production. The political spin is a quixotic effort to promote another commonly touted lie about the future: that the US is approaching a point of “energy independence.” You’ll know we got there when you have to walk to your new job weeding the potato fields. The mendacity behind this propaganda is strictly the wish of politicians to avoid telling voters the truth, out of sheer cowardice for the consequences. US Energy Secretary Steven Chu will go down in history as a pathetically passive quisling, who thought he was honest and patriotic by standing in the background and keeping his mouth shut.
     In fact, a lot of the propaganda behind the current madness is based on the incapacity of Americans to imagine daily life without all the cars. One very active drummer on the propaganda scene is John Hofmeister, former CEO of Shell Oil. About a week ago he debated Tad Patzek, a petroleum engineer from the University of Texas. Hofmeister’s rap is based on one central fallacious idea: that American life can only continue if we keep all the cars and trucks running. Any other outcome is unthinkable, off the table. To put a finer point on it, he insists that our national identity and destiny are tied to “personal transportation,” code for car dependency. The debate was therefore absurd and Patzek was way too polite. He never challenged Hofmeisiter’s core idea.
     The public’s gross misunderstanding of these issues arises over a set of mis-statements made in recent years especially focusing on the Bakken shale oil basin on North Dakota, the various shale gas plays around the country, and the tar sands of Canada (which so many spinmeisters seem to regard as belonging to the United States). The true state of the US oil industry is that we only barely stalled a 40-year decline in oil production by throwing massive amounts of money (capital) at oil reserves that are very expensive and difficult to get. In so far as we’ve entered the terminal stage of a long debt cycle, one thing we can be sure of is a shrinking pool of real capital investment. Hence the frantic propaganda effort to funnel remaining available money into the shale plays.
     A companion fantasy to all this is that the US has a hundred year supply of natural gas. President Obama is guilty of this whopper. (One commentator, financier Bert Dohmen, made the ridiculous claim in a recent podcast on the Financial Sense News Network, that the US has a thousand year supply.) These are the kinds of irresponsible statements that will eventually inflame a public yet again swindled by authorities they desperately want to trust. The truth is we probably have perhaps a seven-year supply of shale gas, and maybe  20 of all gas including the regular old conventional gas. And even that could easily be reduced by the disorders in capital formation now underway in the destabilizing banking sector.
     In any case, all this wishing and lying is about to collide with price volatility to make the American voting public absolutely batshit crazy with dread and anger. That, of course, will only prompt more lying, whopper-spinning, and grievance-flogging in the political arena. It will be nearly impossible for the public to evaluate reality. In the meantime, those disorders in banking and financial markets are close to running out of control. Events are tending ever closer to criticality. I believe they will be expressed in political violence around the major party conventions this summer. Those will be interesting fog-lifting weeks.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency and the four-book series of World Made By Hand novels, set in a post economic crash American future. His most recent book is Living in the Long Emergency; Global Crisis, the Failure of the Futurists, and the Early Adapters Who Are Showing Us the Way Forward. Jim lives on a homestead in Washington County, New. York, where he tends his garden and communes with his chickens.

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  1. kulturcritic* February 27, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    James, the distractions never cease here in the land of good and plenty, while the bullies keep trying to grab more assets globally. kC
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/the-new-colonialism/

  2. TrE February 27, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    The anecdotes, headlines, and evidence of scarcity and desparation seem to be reaching their tipping point–the place when they begin toppling on top of each other more heavily and quickly than any of us can truly absorb or understand.

  3. crisismode February 27, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    The absolutely horrid mess the US commercial real estate market is in, with all the gory detail, has been brilliantly described in this article:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-extend-and-pretend-coming-end
    JHK’s dream of the downfall of the suburban mall is portrayed with exquisite drama.

  4. LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown February 27, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    JHK, great column this week. Love the “energy independence = walking to work at your job weeding the potato field.”

  5. Eleuthero February 27, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    Part of the reason for the crisis in commercial real estate is the rentier mentality that the USA got in during the 1980s to present. Not only are the landlords engaging in massive rent gouging but they’re also allowing downtowns to have ridiculous business models that ensure business death … like having three frozen yogurt stores on one block or four Persian rug stores in four blocks.
    Commercial Real Estate is getting to a point where it can’t be sold or rented. The blame doesn’t rest entirely on the rentiers because “it takes two to tango” and the entrepreneurs have become so stupid that they do little or no research about previous businesses on their new digs or the make-up of the downtown they’re entering.
    Why would a guy open up a Mediterranean food joint when a five block downtown already has three of them? Why would someone start a fro-yo shop with three of them within two blocks? That’s what’s so dire … PEAK INTELLIGENCE. I think this peak is the most important of all because lack of intelligence and imagination won’t allow us to surmount ANY of the other “Peaks” (Energy, base metals, freshwater, etc.).
    E.

  6. orbit7er February 27, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    For evidence of how the Happy Motoring myopia blinds both Parties of the US Corporate State see neoliberal Gov Cuomo’s plan to fix the crumbling Tappan Zee bridge by building 2 more highway lanes on a new bridge with zero Green public transit.
    Funds are being expedited by the Obama Administration for this idiotic scheme.
    The Tristate Transportation Campaign in NY/NJ/Conn
    has launched a campaign against the total lack of public transit but advocated ludicrous “Bus Rapid Transit”:
    http://www.tstc.org/issues/tappanzee.php
    some background to the Tappan Zee bridge is in order:
    it carries over 130,00 vehicles per day with massive traffic jams for about 5 hours per day due to the load of traffic.
    Yet on one side of the Tappan Zee bridge is the Metro-North and Amtrak Rail line by Tarrytown, and on the other side is a Rail siding already existing by Nyack:
    http://www.nyacknewsandviews.com/2012/01/tzb_pedestrianobservations/
    If NY/NJ leadership had any clue then they would leverage building a Rail link to replace the Tappan Zee bridge and begin the Project of an I-287 Rail Link down the median of I-287/87 which would connect 8 major Rail Lines in New Jersey.
    But more cars and trucks are the ONLY answer!

  7. Neon Vincent February 27, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    I’m with you on the craziness of the politicians who, exactly as you feared nearly 10 years ago, are maniacs and corn pone fascists who are promising the American people that they can keep their cars and McMansions by any means they are capable of imagining, ranging from “Drill, baby, drill” to “Bomb Iran!” Newt Gingrich is now chief among them by pledging gas at $2.50/gallon. Pity his ideas about are as achievable his ideas about colonizing the moon–in other words, not very. Even President Obama had to call him out twice, once at the University of Miami and again in his weekly address from the White House, for his ridiculous claims. It shows that the President has at least some contact with reality, while Gingrich is immersed in his narcissistic fantasy.
    Speaking of fantasy and reality, Rick Santorum is looking like he might be more suited for a post-peak-oil world. Someone called him “the best mind of the 13th Century,” a quality that would fit perfectly with a deindustrialized world. Unfortunately, he and his family wouldn’t like the journey there, even if they like the morality appropriate for it.
    During the past two weeks, I’ve blogged about all the above as well as about environmentalism in the movies, the political reaction to it (we can laugh at Lou Dobbs panicking at “The Lorax” but see the police reaction to the political vandalism of the Earth Liberation Front as a cautionary tale), Recyclemania, the weather, and Fat Tuesday at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News.
    Until next week, happy motoring–for now–from Detroit!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  8. Brutus February 27, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Impossible for the public to evaluate reality? That has been the case for a long while now.
    Your focus on stories/fantasies we tell ourselves about energy use and car culture is as good as any, but the refusal to face reality is far broader than those issues. I would add the incompetence of government to govern, the unwillingness of students to learn (which hardens in adulthood into intransigence), and the inability of the law to catch and prosecute lawbreakers. It seems that every petty bureaucracy is being gamed simultaneously.

  9. Jerry February 27, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Putting aside the mendacity of certain commentators, the cowardice of most politicians, the ignorance of the general public, HOW can any sane person be in favor of the US becoming an energy exporter? The more of t his stuff that we have in the ground, the bigger the cushion we will have when the carbon hits the fan. Any and all adjustments to energy reality will be softened by any reserves we have left. Are these cheerleaders stupid, or traitorous? Or more likely, just want to enjoy one last party before the lights go out.

  10. Jimmy Drinkwater February 27, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Get a bicycle! If you have one, use it and keep it in good condition. If you’re out of shape or advancing in years like I am, a little bit of assist will ease things along.
    http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com
    PS: anyone else having trouble with this page loading today?

  11. ozone February 27, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    JHK sez:
    “…These are the kinds of irresponsible statements that will eventually inflame a public yet again swindled by authorities they desperately want to trust.”
    Mr. Kunstler,
    Perhaps it’s only because I have trust “issues”, but I applaud your pounding on this button again. I believe it to be more important to social cohesion than any other concept.
    Bullshit piled upon bullshit is only good for fertilizer, and has nothing in common with pragmatic information. I also see it as dangerously corrosive in terms of trust, and these years of self-deluding bullshittery will be soberly rued when crisis turns to conflict.

  12. gravydog February 27, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Here’s one of the strangest passages in Tom Friedman’s column: “…you can see why America ‘will want to consider joining with other energy-exporting countries, like those in OPEC, to sustain high oil prices. Such an effort would support domestic oil and gas production and give the U.S. a real competitive advantage over countries forced to pay high prices for imported energy — nations such as China, European Union members, and Japan.'”
    He and the “oil economist” he’s quoting seem to believe that the U.S. should root for high oil prices so that it can enjoy low oil prices. Or maybe they think the oil companies will sell the stuff to domestic users at discount prices out of the goodness of their hearts.

  13. Loveandlight February 27, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Yes, Jimmy, I’m even having trouble posting my comment. Which is off-topic, but people should really read this.
    I Was A Warehouse Wage-Slave by Mac McClellan writing for Motherjones.com. The writer details a harrowing experience literally slave-laboring at the warehouse of an online retailer.

  14. orbit7er February 27, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    In the new link from Nyack and people who actually live in Rockland and Orange counties, 84% of whom actually want GREEN PUBLIC TRANSIT not more roads, is this interesting speculation on the motivation of neo-liberal Gov Cuomo and Obama’s peddling of a
    highway only project:
    “…
    There’s no state or federal money to do any of this. One theory says that Cuomo pushed mass transit off the bridge because it made it less attractive to public-private-partnership investors. A project that is all about mass transit — which is guaranteed to run a deficit — will be dead on arrival, at least as far as investors are concerned.
    ….”
    So once again it is all about the banksters and their need to rape and pillage at all costs!
    Interesting how all these spheres intersect between Autos/ /Oil Wars/ banksters and the inability to actually face the real situation!

  15. Solar Guy February 27, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    I keep my mind from focusing on all the details of the demise to come… focus on all the positive…
    We’ll be selling Electric Bikes this Spring! Solar still first and foremost, but this e-bike thing has some promise… Think ~1000 Miles per gallon equivalent.
    PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

  16. topcog February 27, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    CFN The Monday morning fix. I heard over the weekend that the fracking and drilling in NE Ohio is at a standstill cuz of extremely low prices for natural gas. The story teller was aghast when I informed him that the actual reason is that the Ohio dept of natural resources has FINALLY done something to hopefully protect us from the earthquakes and water well pollution going on here. The other news he had was that they (oil people I assume), have discovered a vast oil reserve under Ohio and Pa that contains somewhere in the realm of 20 billion barrels of light crude oil. So, obviously our oil and gas problems are now solved for the next 20 years or so by this one discovery !! I can see all the Amish moving up the church ladder that allows them to have cars instead of tractors, rubber tires instead of steel, and even getting stormfronts on the older order buggies, because of all the oil lease money that will come flooding in by the milk-pail full. Hopefully some of this excess will float my way and I can get cable tv complete with CNN and Foxx,to say nothing of the privilege of hearing the pres-wannabees spouting out their garbage and false promises. My large garden will get larger once again and perhaps my flooded basement can be farmed for a few bass or bluegills. Thanks for the great read on Mondays

  17. Jimmy Drinkwater February 27, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    Amakong!
    They’ll be needing to put fences around the perimeter of the roof top.

  18. FriendlyAquaponics February 27, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Downward we slide. But it’s not necessary to weed in a potato field, James. There’s another way to grow food far more elegantly and easily. We teach aquaponics, which can be used with NO petroleum inputs whatsoever.
    Please check out the absolute easiest way to how food there is, with no weeding!

  19. 3rd Generation February 27, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    What a perfect daily-double weekend for the Worst Excuse for a country – USA ever foisted on this solar system.
    NASCAR 500 and more awards (Academy)given to-one-another in Hollywood. Hog Heaven for Joe/Jane Six-Pack.
    Hey, did you see that drugged-out slut’s dress? Show your tits, Hollywood – boogity boogity boogity Darrell!
    Where is Dr. Mengele when we need him?
    America – Too Stupid to Survive.
    Arbeit Macht Frei.

  20. FriendlyAquaponics February 27, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Sorry! Misspelled the link!
    Check out the The Absolute Easiest way to grow food there is, with no weeding!

  21. loveday February 27, 2012 at 11:26 am #

    Of course the public can’t evaluate reality. The current mainstream avenues of information are controlled by 5 companies, they control what gets put on TV, in the newspapers and to a smaller degree on the internet. That is what the big push about cyber security is about- you know ACTA, SOPA, etc… They want to throttle the last few venues that can provide an alternative to the mendacious bullshit they are shovelling. For instance I recently saw an internet article about the Sicilian Pitchfork movement, the population of Sicily literally shut the island down for 2 weeks, it was/is a very effective movement. Did ya hear about about that from your nightly newscaster? Nope ya didn’t, cause news like that might give people ideas. Ideas like the demands made by this movement…cutting politicians pay by 40 %, limiting terms in office to 2, getting rid of all those perks the pols are so fond of, getting rid of the 40% tax increase on gasoline, etc…. Nope can’t let people see that solidarity can be very effective at shutting down the existing paradigm that favors the elite.
    The count down to war grimly continues, gas prices will skyrocket when the real shooting starts and that will torpedo for good and all any hope of a strengthening economy. Yes madness prevails at the highest levels of government world wide. Seems like maybe barking craziness might be a credential for high office. The spring looks set to be nasty with the specter of spring flowers being replaced by a shower of nukes perhaps marking the beginning of nuclear winter.
    loveday

  22. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    ‘the Happy Motoring … plan to fix the crumbling Tappan Zee bridge by building 2 more highway lanes on a new bridge with zero Green public transit.
    Funds are being expedited by the Obama Administration for this idiotic scheme.’
    Obama does have his ‘green jobs’ program that failed! Motor on!!!

  23. Widespreadpanic7 February 27, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    That’s OK, here in Connecticut the Governor has pushed thru the creation of a new 9 mile limited access highway from New Britain to Hartford Connecticut, for busses only, at, get this, 1 billion dollars per mile. Both cities are crumbling dystopias with double digit unemployment rates and populations that exist mostly on welfare, in short, Welfare Colonies. Has anybody ever read about Stalin’s Volga Canal?
    –WSP7

  24. ccm989 February 27, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Another brilliant column from JHK. Mendacity is a bit like truthiness – believing something without any evidence or facts just “gut” instinct. Sort of the way FOX News operates, facts be damned. How much oil/gas is there left – impossible to tell for certain but we can all be sure that sooner or later all fossil fuel will be gone. How to figure out how quickly it will occur? My lifetime? My children’s lifetime? My future grandchildren’s lifetime? Will we convert to mass transit? Not here in New Jersey where Gov. Christie cancelled the half-completed new tunnel and lost a ton of federal funding not to mention a whole bunch of jobs, etc. Guess I better dust off my bike and turn the old garage into a stable for the new horse.
    Or perhaps I could just rent the horse on an as-needed basis. Perhaps the new job would be carriage driver/owner. Picking up people who needed to go to the store or work. Could be a whole network of horse carriages, working in the area. Just imagine all the flies! Went to Phillipsburg Manor (Sleepy Hollow, NY) to see a working colonial farm and mill. One of the demonstrators was showing us how to dry food and the flies were relentless. It was really gross. They were crawling all over her and the sheep were wandering around, pooping and there were huge piles of manure behind the barn. Can’t imagine how dirty farm life was but this gave you a good idea. Things, if they ever revert to a more rural culture, will be filthy. And more the more filthy it gets, the more likely old diseases like cholera, dysentery and typhoid will return. Life expectancy will drop and infant mortality will rise. How terrible.
    So guess we’d better start working more on those clean energy solutions. Turbines and solar panels. I see solar panels all over the place now on schools and homes. Hopefully solar water heaters will get popular too. Its getting warmer here. In the yard, the camellias, daffodils and witch hazel are all in bloom (4 to 6 weeks ahead of time). Have read that its not only exhaust from car engines that are warming up the planet, but herds of cows too. Am eating less meat, trying to save a little money. I only use my hybrid car once a day for a series of planned errands but sometimes I have to cheat and pick up a kid from sports practice in the late afternoon. Maybe kids won’t play sports anymore. They’ll be needed at home to do farm chores. Feeding goats, milking them and cleaning up after them.

  25. ninaXYZ February 27, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    AGREE WITH BRUTUS.
    Its a fearful situation, from my continuing travels through the SW, it appears the worst off are the end-users who have NO idea. Consuming still in the high crazies, gas, propane, piles of merchandise with only temporary appeal, setting only the most meager limits, genuinely believing the economy is back and all is just wonderful. Except, passing the Colorado river, its waaaay down and extremely visible to any naked eye, but so many eyes are not even looking, they are so bamboozled.
    Its just a matter of time.

  26. Widespreadpanic7 February 27, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    Meanwhile, the Daytona 500 Nascar Race commences in about 30 minutes. Sunoco provides the fuel for that spectacle for free!
    –WSP7

  27. Smokyjoe February 27, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    Great to have JHK back on-task about energy this week.
    When dithering technocrats like Newt proclaim that “Peak Oil is a myth” and claims it’s a leftist plot to curtail our way of life, I need to vomit.
    Yet these cornucopian thinkers usually shut up fast when I play along and say “Lots of oil? Great! But if crude is so abundant, why are we having to extract expensive heavy oil, go way out to sea, and make gasoline out of tar sands? Gee whiz, but those things sure do drive prices up!”
    At best they dither again, saying something about the Left keeping the rigs out of National Parks or somesuch nonsense. But it remains nonsense, because the rest of the world, without our embattled environmental laws, is doing the same thing.
    The jig is up, but don’t look to the anti-science technocrats of the GOP or the “alternatives will save us” technocrats of the Democratic Party for a reality check.
    I’m only different from JHK in that I think we’ll cobble together enough wind, solar, dirty coal, and natural gas to have a 1930s lifestyle, with less electricity, a lot less driving, and much “making do or doing without” than his 1830s World Made By Hand.
    And Newt talks of going to the moon. We’ll be lucky if we can go 100 miles in 20 years.

  28. ninaXYZ February 27, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    The very people who are in charge show us their mettle in extraordinary cowardice and retain a nasty force of gnashing, snarling, drooling fight dogs in goth collars to chain in the slaves and gouge their empty pockets. Such a sorry situation could never have been pre-imagined, it could only happen gradually in the sheer absence of authentic truth.
    This was one of your very best posts Mr. K. Thanks.

  29. metuselah February 27, 2012 at 11:51 am #

    A must listen interview with Ann Barnhardt –
    http://goo.gl/ILrjE
    It’s over.

  30. azgog February 27, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    Waal I’m a gonna vote for thet Prezident whos got them lowest gas prices fer shur. Two fifty and a moon colony, do I hear two twenty and a trip to Mars? An I want that Merican gas, not that forin Arab stuff. All we gotta do is keep jabbing those big needles in all over the Heartland, I know we’re gonna hit a vein real soon. Oh sweet Lord its a gushin now, don’t ever let it stop, drill baby drill, fuck them cariboo and wales, fill me up, fill me up, that joy juice is a floodin my brain. I gotta drive the hemi to the store right now cause we’re low on cheeze doodles and pop. Ain’t freedom grand!

  31. sevenmmm February 27, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    The Grinch was out making some wild energy independent claims of late. So again, right on point. I do think because Americans lack the ability to think critically, the others (candidates for President) will join in on selling nirvana on Earth.
    That Ron Paul guy might be different, I wonder if he thinks there is all this energy available? It would be shocking to think he would just say; I don’t know – lets allow the market to decide what energy sources are available to use.
    Imagine that.
    I had a nice crop of potatoes this year. Am looking forward to when the sloven imbeciles that reside in my town offer to work for the extras…
    Now that is a whopping bit of positive thinking!

  32. helen highwater February 27, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    Your aquaponics system looks very interesting, but I think you are fooling yourself if you believe it uses no petroleum products. It appears to depend on plastic/poly in numerous forms, and plastic is a petroleum product. Could you do this if there were no plastic available?

  33. Lizzy February 27, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    There was a really good article in the Sunday Telegraph yesterday, by the spot-on economist, Liam Halligan : ” Conventionally-produced crude will remain absolutely critical, and demand for it will spiral, until mankind bans the internal combustion engine, outlaws ammonium-based fertilisers, dismantles the global pharmaceutical industry and learns to live without plastic. I can’t see that happening anytime soon.”

  34. ront February 27, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    “Why would someone start a fro-yo shop with three of them within two blocks? That’s what’s so dire … PEAK INTELLIGENCE. I think this peak is the most important …”
    The current, conventional paradigm declares that competition is great (healthy and the more the better) for society and business, to such an extent, that cooperation is ignored. Illusions are running wild and roughshod over our communities and environment. Wisdom be damned.
    Collaboration and cooperation are so damned inconvenient.

  35. Dirk February 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    I see all these ‘1000 year supply’ statements as anolgous with the present economic ‘recovery’ which everyone is so giddy about. American’s want to be told what they want to hear, not the truth, but the truth, as funny as it seems, is that in this case there is actually an eternal supply of oil and gas underfoot! Yep….you heard it here first: eternal. However, we must consider a rather simple little equation that can be written as E(in) = E(out). So then, as written there, it would indicate that the energy input equals energy output. Or in business terms, that would mean we are putting in exactly as much money as we are getting out. Hmm…doesn’t sound very profitable to me. Back in the day, when oil was first discovered, the equation read E(in) > E(out). So yeah, there is an eternal supply of oil and gas out there but it costs way way WAY more money and energy to get it than we get from it. Bummer. Soooo…all that oil and gas will be sitting there….forever. Cause it’s not profitable, whine all the capitalists. And you can apply this equation to all the ‘green’ alternative energy sources, too. They are all way way WAY upside down; cost more than we get back. Think about that when you plug in your Volt.
    Now…if there was just some….scheme, if you like, to get Joe Plumber to piss his money away in this. Hmmmmm…Maybe we can make a profit afterall.

  36. ozone February 27, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    …But think of the JOB CREATION opportunities!
    Tens of thousands of formerly unemployed folks picking, shoveling and sledge-hammering their way across the tortured landscape to “hook up” to the Hartford hellhole! There will be glorious films of the project showing smiling, sweat-stained laborers lining up for their daily ration of swill (which will also serve as their pay, of course).
    Fossil fuels? No, no, and no again, my friends. The project will be strictly “hands-on” and “shovel-ready” WPA stuff. Soon the sleek new fleet of buses will roll on a pavement provided by manual labor alone; that’s as grrreeeen as it gets, baby.
    Glory Hallelujah.

  37. Phutatorius February 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    I’m in Michigan, where there is a primary tomorrow. I just had a robocall urging democrats to cross over and vote for Rick Santorum in the Ripuglykin primary. Ron Paul, perhaps, because of his correct stand on the Afgan boondoggle, but I think I’d rather just stay home & hope the Ripuglykins manage to hang themselves out to dry without any help from the rest of us.
    -Phut

  38. Poet February 27, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    As the Republican “bum of the month” primary election season fumbles its way to April fools day, don’t be surprised if “suddenly” Jeb Bush emerges as the Savior of the day for the privilege of being the loser to Barack Obama and his Bojangles Shuck and Jive Calliope campaign.

  39. newworld February 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm #

    I guess its too much to ask of a peak oil blogger to give us a run down of the Oscars?
    What our the options JHK? Fully 25% of the Democratic voters have an IQ of less than 85 and a time preference that runs in seconds when confronted with any dilemna.
    Are we going to create a Cuban like welfare state for the low IQ? At the expense of the “corn pone christians?” Now there is a trick that would probably require a body count that would make Pol Pot blush.
    Oil makes Whitopias possible, Whitopias allow a certain politeness in our political debate.
    No oil or easy credit which allows access to oil then no Whitopias, no Whitopias then the control word “racist” will be an anachronism.

  40. mainmaniac February 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Not to forget about Newt promising us gas at two-fifty if elected.He should be promising at ten-fifty if he wants to save the personal automobile. Another sign of the insanity here in Maine: a proposal to build a 200km east-west toll road at a cost of a billion or so. How is it that otherwise educated, intelligent leaders cannot see past the next election? A total state of denial from the White House to the State House it would seem.

  41. ozone February 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    Will somebody PLEASE stick a well-sharpened pencil into Tom Friedman’s eye and pound it in far enough with a shoe-heel to shut the fucker up for good and all??
    His desperate attempts at remaining “relevant” by blowing smoke up the public’s collective ass is becoming tiresome and slowly infuriating.

  42. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Ok, I had to look it up. Mendacity from Merriam-Webster. The quality or state of being mendacious. To lie.
    And if you look down on the dictionary page there is a comment from a MS:
    Linda T Liberty ·
    “And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.
    His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies.”
    And on this page:

    The mendacity behind this propaganda is strictly the wish of politicians to avoid telling voters the truth, out of sheer cowardice for the consequences.

    An uncomfortable truth if ever there was one. The lies double up in an election year.
    Nobody should ever get re-elected, ever!!! It’s the only way to put the lizards on a leash.

  43. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    One? If I kill and eat a bear, he becomes one with me. If the bear kills and eats me, then I become one with him. So there’s alot more to this becomeing one than you may have thought.
    One is in contrast to the not one or many. So “One” is profoundly dualistic as it implies its opposite. The Mahayana is far more rigourous in its metaphysics than that. Not one, not two is one such Zen formulation.
    When South Asian Hindus come here and say we are all one – they are the bear who is eating up our jobs and assimilating us.

  44. ozone February 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Main,
    See my 12:53 response to WSP regarding the dedicated bus route to connect one crumbling shit-hole to another. Maine could adopt the same strategy! Glorious job-creation for All. Yes, it’s morning in America, under the grinning ghoul of a rotting ideation of Ronnie Raygun; be of good cheer…

  45. highcountry February 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm #

    Sorry if someone else already posted this link as I have not had the time yet this morning to read all the comments. Chris Martsenson has an excellent piece on the propaganda of Peak Oil:
    http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/dangerous-ideas/71666?utm_source=newsletter_2012-02-25&utm_medium=email_newsletter&utm_content=node_title_71666&utm_campaign=weekly_newsletter_59
    As always, thanks JHK for the insight and black humor, both of which are so necessary on a Monday morning.

  46. metuselah February 27, 2012 at 1:21 pm #

    So, your “superior IQ” makes it OK to thieve and mass murder. Interesting world you’ve constructed for yourself, NEWWORLD. I’m sure one day soon you’ll be reminded of this morality when your privileged life is snuffed out and your possessions stolen, as per your fantasy.

  47. San Jose Mom 51 February 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Another bright spot in the commercial real estate market, besides yogurt shops, is medical pot shops (snort). There are five of them within 1.5 miles of my house. Most of them in mini-strip malls. But one is in the heart of downtown Willow Glen! Scandalous! Someone told me that in Los Angeles there are 6000 pot shops.
    The price of gas is up 2 cents from Saturday night–$4.37

  48. orbit7er February 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Interesting that the Connecticut Governor would want to waste money on a $1 Billion per mile busway when Amtrak already has a Rail Line using the same route. Why not add tracks to that?
    See the Connecticut Railroad map for details:
    http://www.ct.gov/dot/lib/dot/documents/dpt/rails2x3.pdf
    As usual Rails are all over the place.
    In this case of course no doubt Amtrak is overloaded but wouldn’t it make more sense to leverage what is there than build a very very expensive busway??
    God forbid we invest in Amtrak!!

  49. turkle February 27, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    “Scandalous!”
    Why? Or are you being sarcastic?
    Cigs and alcohol are legal and kill far more people each year than have died from smoking pot in the entire history of mankind.

  50. turkle February 27, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    Citigroup says Peak Oil is dead. Hahahaha.
    In other news, Turkle says Theory of Gravity no longer applies to him.

  51. turkle February 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    Yeah, it is pretty much just thinly disguised Nazi politics. I know that the Godwin Rule says that once I call someone on the internet a Nazi, I lose the debate. But it is just so apropos around here sometimes.

  52. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm #

    What’s the name of the documentary they made up about all the Somalis they foisted on one small Maine city?
    All White areas must become integrated. We don’t them to be “hideously White” do we!?!?

  53. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    “Not to forget about Newt promising us gas at two-fifty if elected.”
    Yeah, funny how these proponents of unfettered free markets who think government should just “get out of the way” go all Socialist on you when it comes to the nation’s supply of precious Go Juice, and cost thereof.

  54. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    “How is it that otherwise educated, intelligent leaders cannot see past the next election?”
    Simple, really. Because if they don’t worry about the next election over everything else, they may not have a job afterwards.

  55. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    Yup, people are catching on to you people. I mean let’s be real: your ferocious desire to eliminate Whites is genocide, nothing less. And you hate Whites who don’t consent to suicide. You want to help them do the “right” thing.

  56. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Good to see you’ve found your one note banjo again this morning, Vladski.

  57. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    I hate to break it to you Vlad, but your Nazi wet dream of a lilly white America died hundreds of years ago. I am sorry that you can’t get it through your thick skull and into that pea brain of yours. But go ahead and feel free to whine about the brown people for the entire week on here. I know that you have absolutely nothing better to do with your pathetic existence than race bait on the internet. It beats going postal, I guess.

  58. Smokyjoe February 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Nazis, schmazis! You can’t live with ’em, can’t get them together in large enough numbers to bomb into fish bait with the 8th Air Force anymore.
    Pity.

  59. Cytrog February 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    What about deep sea oil? Terrstrial oil may be
    running low but I’ve heard that there’s enough in
    the ocean floor to burn up all the oxygen in the
    atmosphere.

  60. edpell February 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    The 9 mile, 9 billion dollar road is about taking 9 billion from the federal government and giving it to his construction company friends. It has nothing to do with “the people”.

  61. edpell February 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    What we have is peak corruption.

  62. Smokyjoe February 27, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

    Cytrog…interesting claim! Where did you hear this?
    At certain depths oil will not form because of heat. Some deep-sea finds are protected inside salt-domes, such as a large Brazilian strike a few years back.
    But I have never heard the claim about that much oil existing under the oceans. If so, we’d be getting more big finds, and even the one I note had–I think–three billion barrels of likely oil. That’s not so much at 88 million bpd global consumption. We need many such finds a year to offset old wells declining, and these finds do not appear to be forthcoming.

  63. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    What about oil from the moon? I hear we’ll have a colony there by 2015 if we just elect a certain jowly Republican to be the next POTUS.

  64. turkle February 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    The EIA calculates future production based upon projected demand. Neat, huh? So we’ll always have enough oil! I like the way they roll…

  65. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    What do you call what you all did to the Palestinians?

  66. San Jose Mom 51 February 27, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    If you knew downtown Willow Glen–rather chic and snooty, you’d know the affect on the residents.
    If I didn’t have teenagers around, I’d probably go “shopping!” My excuse would be that I’m preparing for hard times in the future. I’m no Hester Prynne in regards to pot!

  67. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    I talk abouted the beauty of the cosmos and the ugliness of Feminism all last week. You missed class.
    One note banjo? Hardly. Do you know about the cult of deafness? How some of them abort babies who will be able to hear? Their hatred of the non hearing disabled is beyond belief. They viciously mock anyone who learns sign and tried to communicate with them.
    Nothing comparable in the blind. I guess the losing the sense of sight doesn’t isolate quite as much – though some of them have an attitude.

  68. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

    Everyone, Check the 2 minute Movie at:
    CRIMES OF THE TIMES BLOG …called:
    ‘HALAL’ Taxi………..sheesh!
    The new immigrants to US/NY and the joke about a Gun.

  69. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Now some in the media are wondering if those voting for the Academy Awards are ‘Too White’!
    Notice theres no mention of jew/non jew ratio.

  70. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Buddha forbade all such things. Unless you follow later, Tantric revelations… Do tell in detail, by all means.

  71. orbit7er February 27, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    On Connecticut Rail and the $9 Billion Busway from Hartford to New Britain: as usual if you examine the Connecticut Railroad Map at http://www.ct.gov/dot/lib/dot/documents/dpt/rails2x3.pdf
    you find that there 24 Rail lines listed.
    Only 2 of the 24 have any regular Passenger Service.
    Both of those Amtrak. Another 2 Rail lines have
    “Seasonal Tourist” i.e. Leaf Peeper trains. Of course if you can run Leaf Peeper trains it implies the tracks are good enough to run at least sporadic Rail passenger service.
    As Mr Kunstler has said for years we have a lot of Rails sitting doing nothing as neoliberals and the Powers that Be (Auto/Oil/Sprawl/Paving Lobbies) continue endless highway expansion as miles driven and US cars steadily decline.

  72. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    Whites need their own media, both in terms of News and Entertainment. Let’s make movies about the suffering of Whites under PC Tyranny.

  73. metuselah February 27, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    I talk abouted the beauty of the cosmos and the ugliness of Feminism all last week.
    ==
    Yes, we should flush you into the black cosmos. It will complete your poem.

  74. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Watching Jared Diamond’s movie “Collapse” on the internet. Pretty good for a historical perspective. Mr Kunstler is featured in several clips. Free to watch, just google Collapse.

  75. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

    The Community has decided unanimously that you are a hater and Bill, your enabler.

  76. Liquid Lennny February 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    I don’t remember the exact source. Could have been in a comment here or perhaps it was over there (other blog comments). Either way, thanks to whoever put out the link to William Catton’s work.
    Yes, the fog is pretty opaque these days if one prefers to be a bottom dweller and sometimes I think that would have been a more sensible place to be. Rise above the fog and the media noise and the landscape becomes a bit more transparent and the audio is clear.
    When you read a passage like the following you know you’re in for some serious illumination;
    “In a Future that is as unavoidable as it will be unwelcome, survival and sanity may depend upon our ability to cherish rather than disparage the concept of human dignity.”
    This is the opening line in William Catton’s book “OVERSHOOT” published in 1980. Besides Jim’s book “The Long Emergency” this book makes the short list of those I recommend to others to gain insight to our future.
    Here’s a link to an interview with Mr. Catton from a few years ago;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXXQ1vVdsI

  77. metuselah February 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    LOL! The community of nazi trolls and rejects can go and create their own web blog, and stay there. I promise I wont visit. Can you do that, Vladik? No, of-course you can’t, you pathetic parasite.

  78. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

    Ever read Jack London’s “The Sea Wolf”? You remind me alot of the protagonist, Hump Van Weyden.

  79. HeartandPen February 27, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    James,
    “It will be nearly impossible for the public to evaluate reality.”
    Will be???
    Peter

  80. Sky February 27, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    I’m a fly on the wall at one of the Mega-Universities of the world. It is not uncommon in such places to hear engineers touting that technology will save the day, sustaining business as usual or even something better. Shale gas, natural gas, tar sands and coal are prominent in their thinking. “We have plenty of oil” and “We have plenty of gas”. I hear this often. Such is the mantra that serves to numb skeptical circuits of the brain. We are so dependent on fossil fuel powered single occupant vehicles, that we have become psychologically imprisoned. It seems crazy to me that so many highly educated and intellectually gifted people are betting on the status quo when the risks of being wrong are so great. Business professionals from both academic and private sectors are generally hopeless, at least from what I’ve witnessed at seminars and lectures. I wouldn’t expect them to see things through a scientific lens, but I would have hoped for a higher degree of rationality, skepticism or caution. My perception is that political and business leaders, though ambiguous and often deceptive by necessity, are not being dishonest so much as they are exhibiting relative degrees of ignorance mixed in with the kind of wishful thinking that has been described so sharply on this blog. Very few people are capable of maintaining a rational, broad perspective regarding such things as the interplay between people and the underlying natural world. Ecosystems are a complex web of elements and feedback loops. People just don’t think that way. When we get together in groups, we’re even less rational! As animals, we are mostly adapted to short term, linear thinking and therefore, I believe, programmed to maintain our course, straight into the ecological storm that lies ahead. Economies and aggregate behaviors will correct themselves, but most probably in ways that no one would choose. Still… I am glad that there are those out there who are issuing warnings, rather than tuning their fiddles in preparation for what may be their last recital in opulence.

  81. ninaXYZ February 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Earlier, on dialup, I thought there were too many comments to read here and I’ve been reading for a long time. Now, suddenly on high speed, I see the reality. In overpopulation, everybody is shouting into the wind, mental connections can’t possibly be made, and it won’t go on like this. JHK says we’re in a Fog of Mendacity, and I see it is far worse. So much worse, very few have the patience to consider where this leads and what will come about as a result. But it won’t be good. Or helpful. I just hate watching it unfold, frame by frame, into floating space junk.

  82. San Jose Mom 51 February 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Buddha schmuda. Unlike you Vlad, I don’t have a broom up my &ss.

  83. Eleuthero February 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    SJM said:
    Another bright spot in the commercial real estate market, besides yogurt shops, is medical pot shops (snort). There are five of them within 1.5 miles of my house. Most of them in mini-strip malls. But one is in the heart of downtown Willow Glen! Scandalous! Someone told me that in Los Angeles there are 6000 pot shops.
    ***************************************************************
    Actually, I’m in favor of legalizing drugs because too many addicts steal stuff and sell it to support their habit. However, I think any places that sell weed really should be zoned differently. I can imagine a kid asking: “Mommy, what does that store sell?” and then you have to go into a huge story about why little Johnny shouldn’t let his curiosity extend to usage.
    BTW … I’m in the camp that does NOT believe that pot is harmless. All the latest data show that regular smokers develop schizophrenic-like symptoms. I think it is, more or less, harmless to people who are dabblers who smoke it three times a year at parties or even “weekenders”. However, I’ve seen friends of mine who were definitely impaired by its usage over long periods of time.
    E.

  84. Eleuthero February 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    Ront said:
    The current, conventional paradigm declares that competition is great (healthy and the more the better) for society and business, to such an extent, that cooperation is ignored. Illusions are running wild and roughshod over our communities and environment. Wisdom be damned.
    Collaboration and cooperation are so damned inconvenient.
    **************************************************************
    Good observation. What’s comically ironic is that Palo Alto is so full of itself because of all the money and brainpower yet you can’t tell it by the City Council. They’re the ones who ALLOW five fro-yo shops, four Mediterranean restaurants, and four Persian rug stores. It’s because the place, while trying to come across as shangri-la for brainiacs, is actually rapaciously GREEDY.
    Cooperation does, indeed, require civic consciousness and interaction and collaboration with people. I see precious little of that around here.
    E.

  85. third_martini_banter February 27, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    I don’t sense the kind of restiveness in the air that would make the political conventions likely scenes for Chicago-’68-style riots. The so-called left in America is mightily soothed by our charismatic rock-star black president, with the thousand-watt smile and the beautiful family, living out a dream of civil-rights nirvana that few of us who were around in the 60s would have dreamt possible. (“Can you imagine, they let him and his family fly on Air Force One!”).
    While there may be some grumbling amongst the wonky-activist fringe, in the main the liberal-left elements of the country are mighty grateful that Bush-Cheney are out of power, and the Republicans are rapidly accelerating their irrelevance with the candidates they have spouting their nonsense at umpteen debates, as the mob cheers for executions and jeers at gay soldiers.
    As for the Right, they might actually cause some trouble at the Republican convention. But when has the Right ever caused any real trouble in the form of public riotousness in the past several decades? The hard-core righties like to kill people, whether it’s assassins going after perceived liberals, or militia-types blowing up federal buildings or flying planes into IRS offices. Marching around with signs and chanting slogans? Breaking windows and challenging police? They just don’t do that sort of thing. The only time I can recall righties doing something close to that is when they’re bussed in and paid to do it as part of an astroturf campaign — or shutting down the Florida recount.
    As for Tom Friedman, the definitive take-down of this uniquely American exemplar of spoiled twittishness was done by Matt Taibbi. I believe if you Google their names together you’ll find it easily — or maybe just try “Matt Taibbi Tom Friedman porn-star mustache.” Can anyone here find the Friedman column, probably from around 2002, in which he approvingly quoted Michael Ledeen: “Every 10 years or so, the US needs to pick up some small, crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”

  86. Eleuthero February 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm #

    Vlad said:
    What’s the name of the documentary they made up about all the Somalis they foisted on one small Maine city?
    All White areas must become integrated. We don’t them to be “hideously White” do we!?!?
    **************************************************************
    Vlad, I don’t know if you’ve seen the crime statistics for the city of Toronto since they relocated thousands of Haitian citizens there. These relocations have had the expected results.
    I fully expect Turkle, like the rest of the Rainbow Coalition herein, will castigate me to the fires of hell for supporting your post. Orwellian sloganeering trumps cold, hard fact on this site.
    Remember: Saying pretty things == “good”, facts are only “good” if they support the pretty vision of society … which is bereft of the sensible observations of any beings who choose to pay attention to reality.
    I guess those 50,000,000 whites who fled to the suburbs in the 1960s were all “racists”. Sigh. Couldn’t be that they were just following the evidence of their senses?! I still want all the Rainbow Coalition types on CFN to WALK THE WALK by taking after-dinner strolls in a nearby ghetto or barrio at least a few nights every week of the year.
    It’s so easy to be a phony egalitarian when the only requirement is that you write pretty words on a personal computer from the safe confines of a safe domicile in a lily-white suburb.
    E.

  87. ofthehands.com February 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    Excellent commentary this week, James. Your rants are fun, but your analysis can be even more enjoyable and this week’s is a good one. The lies and obfuscation surrounding our capability of energy independence is astounding, though there’s nothing surprising about that. As you note, it will become even more astounding as people become more worried about it with higher gas prices and the politicians clamor over each other to weave the most golden of tales.
    One of the biggest challenges of the coming years is going to be getting over our distorted view of the world brought on by cheap and abundant fossil fuel energy. It messes with our perspective on everything and leads to idiotic ideas such as Hofmeister’s, in which a world without personal cars seems like an utter impossibility. Amazing that somehow human beings existed for millions of years without the cursed things, but that’s neither here nor there, right?
    Joel

  88. Sky February 27, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    People are much more inclined to cooperate when they are physically interdependent, as in local or regional economies, rather than ‘global’ economies. The long surplus of energy and resources we have enjoyed, at least in my lifetime, has afforded lots of diverging thought and behavior. Resource constraints will necessarily lead a reversal of this process, but it may well occur as a reaction to successive crises rather than through proactive, big scale cooperation. 😛

  89. Eleuthero February 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    An excerpt from last week’s “discussion” with Metusaleh by me:
    That you are a Jew is irrelevant. You may note that it seems that only guys like you, Bill, and Asoka feel the need to THRUST your tribal affiliations in the face of the entire board. So “Look at the JEW!!” is a monster of your own creation, Dr. Frankenstein, because you won’t stop fucking reminding us that you are a Jew. I don’t think we really give a shit but you just keep puffing your chest out and reminding us lest we forget for a few nanoseconds.
    You’re just a tape reel which trots out the same string of accusatory nouns whenever you can’t actually prove anything or say anything of substance “Imperialist!!”, “Racist!!”, “Tool of the Vatican!!”, “Murderer!!”. Instead of writing posts with actual reasoning, why don’t you have a computer program write text with these nouns randomly strewn about.
    On this week’s thread, I will remind you that YOU thrust your tribal affiliations in our face CONSTANTLY so if you don’t want people to say “Look at the JEW” then stop pushing it in front of our faces at every available opportunity.
    E.
    *********************************************************
    I don’t see any Lutherans, Muslims, or Asians jumping out of their skins with eagerness to remind us of their ethnicities here. You ought to see Mika’s “responses” to my post that had the excerpt above. Three posts with the usual invective with no reasoning. It’s like reading a Pravda article about the US from 1964 where they had to throw in “imperialists” and “enemies of the people” five times to get the Politburo’s approval to publish.
    Mika also though Fabian was a soothsayer and man of vision. Fabian also gave no reasoning in his posts and his invectives were full of nonwords like “asshat”. Fabian is gone and rightly so. I’m just waiting for Mika to threaten me with a Louisville Slugger so that I can petition JHK to get this guy tossed off the board.
    I’m outta here until Thursday. I’m sure everyone will have “fun” in the meantime.
    E.

  90. Phaedrus February 27, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    “In any case, all this wishing and lying is about to collide with price volatility to make the American voting public absolutely batshit crazy with dread and anger.”
    Yes, you are right about this. Many of the solutions are assuming the world is two-dimensional (like Hofmeister’s/the public, ect). However, the world is not just 2D. For example, Eubulides, the Megarian sixth century B.C. Greek philosopher, and successor to Euclid, invented the paradox of the liar. In this paradox, Epimenides, the Cretan, says, “All Cretans are liars.” If he is telling the truth he is lying; and if he is lying, he is telling the truth…
    Here is an explanation of the Paradox and shows why people have such a hard time communicating:
    http://squarerootofzero.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/the-liars-paradox-solved/
    Just a little perspective.

  91. robindatta February 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    The united States of America WILL reach energy independence: when the energy fuels elsewhere deplete to the point that they have not enough to export.

  92. robindatta February 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    The united States of America WILL reach energy independence: when the energy fuels elsewhere deplete to the point that they have not enough to export.

  93. robindatta February 27, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    The united States of America WILL reach energy independence: when the energy fuels elsewhere deplete to the point that they have not enough to export.

  94. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

    “What about deep sea oil?”
    Where did you here that bullshit or did you just pull it outa your ass.
    Simple continental drift blows your ‘enough oil in the deep sea to use up all the oxygen in the atmosphere’ theory to shreds. I did not have to do anything to find that out at all but think it over so I’m thinking the source was your ass.
    But you’ve earned a few votes for the status-quo. People wanting to believe good news bad enough will even take to outrageous claims.
    As you well know.

  95. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 5:51 pm #

    ‘hear’

  96. gp February 27, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    the whole Rocky Mt. range is a giant oil sand/shale deposit, let’s level that, and get the oil. What you rather have useless mountains or gas for our cars.

  97. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    I forgot the MINERALS, there’s lot of them deep into the Rockies, it will also make the trip to California easier coming from the west. Some of us may want to drive out there and back, just for the hell of it.

  98. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    ‘the whole Rocky Mt. range is a giant oil sand/shale deposit, let’s level that, and get the oil.’
    No it’s not. Anybody can make a pretty map that says anything they want like the shale gas maps.
    But that doesn’t change reality. My understanding is that in the Colorado area there are traces of what once was an oil deposit larger than Saudi Arabia’s. The oil is gone because apparently there was not a cap over it to keep it from evaporating. Apparently only a trained geologist would know the signs.
    My understanding of the situation is that geological formations capable of storing oil are generally uncommon. Seems to me mountains are generally geologically active and not good sources to find oil in large quantities.
    If any of what I say is true then ‘the whole Rocky Mt. range’ is disproved.

  99. turkle February 27, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    “What you rather have useless mountains or gas for our cars.”
    Before you worry about leveling the Rocky Mountains to fill up your H2, you should work on improving your remedial grammar. Sheesh!

  100. welles February 27, 2012 at 6:28 pm #

    In any case, all this wishing and lying is about to collide with price volatility to make the American voting public absolutely batshit crazy with dread and anger.
    …Events are tending ever closer to criticality.

    hahahahaha, it’s always just around the bend but never arrives.
    yep, the voting public will RISE UP hahahahahah
    …and events are just soooo close to being out of control….hahahahhaa, every heard of money printing? it papers things over nicely…..
    sure there are some minor flashes like greece, but nothing nearly as dire as the doomsday blowhards wish….
    re energy, solving the problem is too lucrative NOT to find a solution.
    JHK’s ideas are stuck in neutral, he puts the petal to the metal but they never go forward, do they?
    that’s the problem with theory, it works great in theory but fails miserably in reality.
    having a grand time in brazil by the way, plenty of great positive people, education is stressed, no sourpusses like US sticks in the mud with their eternal litany of woes….jeezis
    peace peaceniks

  101. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    When the Arab oil embargo happened I was pumping gas. Sometimes the lines were long and customers would sometimes vent a bit when they finally got their turn at the pump. I remember one customer going off about how Russia had enough Siberian oil to run the entire world for 300 years and how the whole shortage was a plot by the oil companies to get more money. This guy was so convinced in what he was saying that veins were popping out of his neck. He claimed to have learned his facts while actually traveling in Russia. That’s possible, a lot of Americans with money were visiting Russia then.
    There must be some survival value in being stubborn ignorant and stupid. I wonder if any psychologists or sociologists have studied this?

  102. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    can’t run cars with good grammar.

  103. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    America will reach energy independence with mega doses of BS and good grammar.

  104. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    sorry to disappoint “you all” but I get around on a bicycles and bad grammar. AHAAHHHH haha

  105. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    I was just sarcastic about leveling the Rockies.

  106. gp February 27, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

    although there folks out there that wouldn’t think twice about leveling the Rockies.

  107. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Some Buddhist to say that.

  108. fairguy February 27, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    I think we can all agree that Tom Friedman is a narcissistic moron and that Steven Chu is a coward. A lie remains a lie even when “opinion leaders” continue to shout it or evade it.
    But I don’t necessarily agree that the lying, whopper-spinning, and grievance-flogging in the political arena will lead to violence at the summer conventions. You can be sure that the political establishment will work hard to brand protesters as terrorists and ensure that the conventions cities will be inaccessible to them.
    I think the real story will be about what happens overseas, with the revival of the spring and occupy movements, and the Iran powder keg finally exploding.
    The US may be fucked but over the next 6-9 months it’ll be the rest of the world we see bleeding.

  109. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    Do you ride on one?

  110. gp February 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    I ride my bike to work, to the store, and for fun, unfortunately, tires, lubrication, housing, and a bike’s manufacturing depend on oil. Now the latest fad is carbon fiber, someday soon bike steel frames are going to be a thing of the past.

  111. bubbleheadMarc February 27, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    Excellent. Put simply: very few people living today have ever ventured outside of the built environment. This is why they cannot imagine a world without everyone owning their own motor vehicle. More to the point, they cannot visualize a world which hasn’t been half strangled to death by shit like paved roads and dams. Pertaining to petroleum they can’t comprehend that it must be running out or we wouldn’t be going to all the bother to build oil wells in places like the North Sea or the Gulf of Mexico.
    There are lots of hydrocarbons left but they consist heavily or overwhelmingly of submarine methane hydrates, or burning ice, which is resting on the floor of the Arctic Ocean. Good luck mining all of that crap before it evaporates into the atmosphere to in essence “Venusform” the entire planet in an irreversible process of galloping runaway global warming. And don’t nobody tell me ’bout the villages in Serbia which recently got buried in seven feet of snow. That don’t mean shit.

  112. Widespreadpanic7 February 27, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    Anyway, its good to see Jim addressing peak oil and energy issues once again. The financial meltdown and economic issues since 2008, altho related to energy depletion, have been somewhat of a distraction. The high gasoline and heating oil prices are bringing the subject back into the fore.
    But something things never change. Last nite a guy at work told me he knows a guy who has a brother who lives in Nebraska; this brother invented a carburator way back in the 70s that allows any auto to get 100 mpg. Exxon bought it and they are keeping in a safe in Houston. Like I said earlier greens and environmentalists are taking some blame for $4.00 gas because “there is plenty of oil right here” and “they won’t let us drill”. Obama is talking about harvesting pond scum for motor fuel. Myself, I say to all the intellectuals who have been championing alt energy for as long as I can remember, now is your time. If you really have something that will power up the world, that will efficiently replace fossil fuels, that will light our cities, run our cars, heat our homes, let’s see it, and let’s see it right now. There is no time to waste.
    –WSP7

  113. Widespreadpanic7 February 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    Anyway, its good to see Jim addressing peak oil and energy issues once again. The financial meltdown and economic issues since 2008, altho related to energy depletion, have been somewhat of a distraction. The high gasoline and heating oil prices are bringing the subject back into the fore.
    But something things never change. Last nite a guy at work told me he knows a guy who has a brother who lives in Nebraska; this brother invented a carburator way back in the 70s that allows any auto to get 100 mpg. Exxon bought it and they are keeping in a safe in Houston. Like I said earlier greens and environmentalists are taking some blame for $4.00 gas because “there is plenty of oil right here” and “they won’t let us drill”. Obama is talking about harvesting pond scum for motor fuel. Myself, I say to all the intellectuals who have been championing alt energy for as long as I can remember, now is your time. If you really have something that will power up the world, that will efficiently replace fossil fuels, that will light our cities, run our cars, heat our homes, let’s see it, and let’s see it right now. There is no time to waste.
    –WSP7

  114. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

    The foolish Quebecois focused on language as the basis of ethnicity and culture and thought that by importing French speaking Negroes they would strenghten their hand – the Fools! A Black is a Black whether he speaks French or Fulani.

  115. Widespreadpanic7 February 27, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Sorry for the double post. My mistake.
    –WSP7

  116. messianicdruid February 27, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    “What we have is peak corruption.”
    Finally, some good news. Less corruption in the future.

  117. Vlad Krandz February 27, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    How bout a steam engine? Just have someone in the back seat feeding garbarge to the engine. And no more garbarge too!
    I had once a crazy girlfriend who loved to watch cars and comment how they were all little boxes with people in them. It would be sad if girls like this would lose having this experience.

  118. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    As the mendacity of comments with magical thinking concerning endless fossil fuel supplies builds this week I introduce ‘Pile of Straw at the Bottom of the Cliff’ from ClubOrlov. Peak Oil is discussed and the piece ends with a reflection on ‘are humans smarter than yeast’.
    Dmitri asserts that yes we are but he needs more time to come up with arguments to back his optimism. No surprise there.

  119. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    The Supreme Court for a third time has turned aside an urgent appeal from Great Lakes states to close Chicago-area shipping channels so invasive Asian carp won’t have a doorway into the world’s largest freshwater ecosystem.
    The justices Monday turned aside without comment another request for intervention, the latest chapter in a nearly century-old dispute involving six Midwest states and the Canadian province of Ontario.

  120. Buck Stud February 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    “The Community has decided unanimously that you are a hater and Bill, your enabler.”
    Wrong. Last week Mika expressed one of the most beautiful sentiments ever written here on CFN:
    “Bill,
    I wish for us to share a walk through the pine forest of Mount Carmel, by the sands and waves of the Mediterranean.”
    You see, Vlad, you just don’t get it. You seek to push Jews into a corner and then lament the fact they transform into ferocious warriors as a result. As opposed to savoring the magnificent Jewish contributions to culture and their natural affinity for the underdog.
    You are a sniffer of ugliness and divisiveness, never to appreciate the Rachmaninoff piano concerto evoking windswept leaves over the steppes of Russia.

  121. plumwordy February 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Is anyone else getting ticked off with KULTURECRTIC linking to his own blog after every single post? I am. If I wanted to read your blog I will go there, I personally would prefer it if you stopped freeriding on this one to get an ad, unless there is a direct link to what is being discussed. Thanks.

  122. anti soak February 27, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    Did you know as of 1995 [according to Brimelow]
    The USA had imported 25% of the then population of
    Haiti, several million people?
    And we [as in Gov and private charity] have given billions to a ‘sink hole’ that never gets good, not sure what good has been done with such ‘charity’
    [if things dont get better is it charity, foolishness, codependence or??].

  123. turkle February 27, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Don’t you ever get sick of being the Tin Man every week, soaky? What a bitter little sad man you must be in RL.

  124. DeeJones February 27, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    E: You ever thought that all those fro-yo shops might be franchises, and the real owners really don’t care if one is poaching from the other?
    Plus they all cater to the fat, lazy assed people that just can’t bear to walk more than half a block from the SUV, no doubt parked with the a/c running on hot days while they are buying a fro-yo.
    Hell, in SF, there are Starfucks within a block of each other.
    Its hopeless there man. The insane running the show.
    I guess the ‘merican people are just so used to being lied to they won’t know the truth if it came down from heaven and wacked them upside the head with a flaming sword.
    As for the politicians: They don’t even know what the TRUTH is anymore; Jimmy Carter was probably the last honest Prezident. Reagun didn’t give a shit for the truth, Clinton couldn’t tell the diference, Bush jr couldn’ even conceive ot the truth, and Obama “change you can beleive in (at leats till after the election)” don’t care either.
    The truth is dead there man.
    DEe

  125. turkle February 27, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

    Immigration is as natural as taking a stroll in the park. Humans first populated the Americas by crossing over the ice bridge between modern day Alaska and the NE tip of Siberia, and that was back when they had to walk. We have always moved around as tribes and individuals. What is so detestable about this?
    I have a neat little atlas of medieval history from the fall of the Roman Empire to Columbus’s voyage to the Americas. It is very telling, how every 40 or 50 years, the political arrangements can change so drastically that the map is practically unrecognizable. I doubt that this kind of (relative) chaos is an ideal either, but, let’s be honest, a lot of times the political borders do change around the people. And sometimes the people have to change based on the new borders. (think post-WWII)
    Only in the modern era have we started to enforce the notion that individuals can’t settle where they would like, or at least societies used to be far more permeable by default (you didn’t need travel documents or an ID). Now we have the tracking and surveillance technology to implement these controls over where people can go and live.
    Why pile scorn upon people who immigrate? If I lived in Haiti, I’d sure as *#@$ get my butt out of there in a hurry. And America is huge, with a low population density for its size. It will inevitably fill in with more people, given that there are billions who want to come here. Haiti is right next door. It is like a law of physics that people will go from highly overpopulated and poor Haiti to relatively low populated and rich America. It isn’t rocket science.
    And get used to it. America isn’t your little white segregated compound. It never has been and it won’t be. Your value judgments about people who choose to leave their “country of origin” and venture elsewhere are getting old and boring. People have always done this, and they always will. There is nothing that you or I can say (or even do) to prevent it. It would be like trying to stop a tidal wave.
    Anyways, that’s my two cents. If you want your own little domain, I’d suggest someplace remote like northern Canada or one of the more rural US states. You could also probably carve out a little patch of Siberia without anyone noticing for awhile (if you can survive). I bet you could even get satellite internet up there so you can keep us posted on the progress of the Kingdom of Vladistan, population 2 (soaky will go along cuz he loves you).

  126. BeantownBill February 27, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    “You see, Vlad, you just don’t get it. You seek to push Jews into a corner and then lament the fact they transform into ferocious warriors as a result.”
    Thanks, Buck for saying that so simply – I wasn’t finding the words myself.

  127. turkle February 27, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    Some politicians know exactly what is up. Cheney and the neocons were discussing Peak Oil and energy issues in the late 90’s, before 9-11. Cheney was worried that supply would not be able to keep up with demand, and he would know, being the CEO for a time of the largest oil equipment and well operator in the world, Haliburton. The subsequent invasion and occupation of Iraq installed a Western presence in that country in order that the petroleum resources there could be controlled and exploited to add additional supply to world (and American) markets.
    The Bush administration played the American people like a cheap, uh, guitar, with their little sound bites about mushroom clouds and terrorists. Those guys, detestable as you might think their behavior was, know EXACTLY what is up with America and what people there want and need and that’s gasoline to power their Go Mobiles. Petroleum supply is the largest industry on the planet. Most of the Bush administration higher ups were actually once powerful administrators in that industry (Cheney, Bush himself, Rice).
    And, just so I don’t leave out a nice conspiracy theory or two, the elites get together every so often to discuss the fate of the peons or “fodder units”, as the Bushes are fond of saying. They call these big backroom sessions different things over the years: Bohemia Grove, Bilderberg Group, Davos, Trilaterla Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, etc. Always it is pretty much the same, the mega wealthy and powerful deciding undemocratically how they will control and exploit the masses for their maximum benefit.
    So the elite politicians are actually crafty. They just don’t tell people the truth, because that’s not what people want to hear. Everyone wants to hear that “Everything is gonna be alright.” So that’s what the politicians tell them. It is as much a matter of this than politicians being more susceptible to lying. It is more like they tell people exactly what they want to hear. That’s why religious politicians have historically been pretty popular. Christianity, even in all its crazy twists and turns, is ultimately pretty optimistic. You get to go sit beside Jesus and play harp duets with him. Whilst the (possible) real life scenario of, oh, gee, we’re going to be out of petrol and gas in 50 years, is not so heartwarming.

  128. MalcolmV February 27, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    Eleuthero said:
    “I don’t know if you’ve seen the crime statistics for the city of Toronto since they relocated thousands of Haitian citizens there. These relocations have had the expected results. ”
    I’m not sure who the “They” you refer to who relocated Haitians to Toronto were. You realize that from 2005 to 2010 the Canadian Governor General, Michaëlle Jean was Haitian. So perhaps Haitians are a valuable addition to Canada. Toronto is the worlds’ most multi-ethnic city.
    Crime in Toronto has been decreasing for the last 30 years. (perhaps baring the banksters). You can see the stats from the Toronto Police Services here: http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/#reports . scroll down to Statistical Reports. You can see the last 5 years data on page 16 of this report http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/files/reports/2010statsreport.pdf
    I dislike this fear mongering which turns us against each other and destroys community. I used to hitchhike a lot and always pick up hitchhikers, I’ve never had a bad experience. Yet people say it’s too dangerous to pick up hitchhikers despite the stats that show violent crime is down. Where is the solidarity if we live in fear of one another.

  129. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    Yes,
    If one dances for their dinner and makes a comment which shows they have read what JHK has had to say and are making an sincere effort to to digest it that’s fine.
    KULTURECRTIC obviously tries to be first, wants a free meal and does not read the article. It’s very obvious and one would think he would realize how rude it is but apparently he needs you and I to point it out to him.
    It would also be nice if he would find out how to make an HTML anchor tag so he could do it like this:
    KULTURECRTIC

  130. dgmoocher February 27, 2012 at 9:08 pm #

    “You’ll know we got there when you have to walk to your new job weeding the potato fields. ”
    hehehehe. Thanks for giving me a laugh in the midst of tumult. So true, so true!

  131. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    That had to be the best line of the week. There shure won’t be any question of energy independence then.

  132. k-dog February 27, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    It’s ‘sure’ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  133. mika. February 27, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    Alexander Pushkin, who is considered the greatest poet of the Russian language was of black Ethiopian extraction. Here you see Pushkin’s black ancestry as it moved through Europe’s royal families:
    http://goo.gl/vuBgw

  134. mika. February 27, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    Natalia Ayesha Phillips (is pictured standing second from the right) married Sir Gerald Grosvenor 6th Duke of Westminster. Thus making Natalia the Duchess of Westminster. (Note: The 6th Duke of Westminster is Britain’s wealthiest aristocrat and the sixth richest man in Britain. The Duchess is also known as Tally. She was a friend of Princess Diana of Wales and she is the godmother to Prince William–the son of Prince Charles and Princess Diana.
    http://GOO.GL/VUBGW

  135. rippedthunder February 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    Thanks for the link, I just grabbed 550 gallon tanks, The fella I got them from was also thinking about hydroponics. Where I am at we get 40-50″ a year rainfall. God bless the rain spirit.I actually might give it a go. I hate weeding. I can make compost tea and tanks. I’ll be talk’in to ya, RT. also known as GOOMBA cuz I am the the big Italian dude at the firehouse.

  136. jackieblue2u February 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    But what about the UnderCats ? hmmmm…..
    sorry. me goofy tonite. no not drunk or high, just goofy.

  137. indyamerican February 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–SxiN1BFKw&feature=plcp&context=C36c3383UDOEgsToPDskKMWGlVPVbU5Hreo5WmLbta
    Check out my video about driving, vehicle and tire selection in a Peak Oil future.
    treadreview.com
    The future of tire reviews, ratings, forums, and info.
    info@treadreview.com

  138. jackieblue2u February 27, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    hey no one asked me so how could it have been unanimously ?
    don’t be speakin’ for me, vlad ? thank you very much.

  139. Pucker February 27, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    “One popular new lie is that US oil production is suddenly so robust that America is about to become a leading world oil exporter again – which is completely untrue. The lie arises at the intersection of wishful thinking and the willful misuse of statistics.”
    [Scene from Tennessee Williams’ play “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof]
    Big Daddy: “What’s that smell in this room, Brett? Isn’t that the smell of ‘Mendacity’?!”
    Brett: “It sure is Big Daddy. It sure is….”
    Question: Does anyone out there in CFN know if there’s any kind of psychiatric disorder caused by anxiety resulting from being constantly lied to over a long period of time?

  140. Shakazulu February 27, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Why does every single blog comment thread on the www inevitably turn into one huge pissing contest?
    It only reinforces my belief that the country is doomed.

  141. Shakazulu February 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    “America – Too Stupid to Survive.
    Arbeit Macht Frei.”
    Arbeit Macht Frei? Is that Dutch for “Ketchup and Fries?

  142. adrysveo February 27, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

  143. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Too easy!!! That’s the tripe. Too easy – we all want something more, but we all bail to *easements*…
    Well don’t fret – you can eat your corpse, and your moms!!! It’s the daze of no *RETURN*. Count your blessings…

  144. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 10:44 pm #
  145. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 10:46 pm #

    Did I really poast last week – ahahaha!!! *EAT MY SHORTS*

  146. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    Yo Ozone!!! Remember That *WHORE* Eliza Gilkyson? I’ve been jammin her tunes, ala *ANDREAS*/././….
    Sorry, *MY BAD*

  147. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

    Terri-bad *page*. Be back in two decades – LOL!!!

  148. IxNoMor February 27, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    really?!…

  149. malthus February 27, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    Thanks to all the wonderful for profit corporations running around the world creating global economies and giving people jobs so they can be consumers and convincing all the masses and masses of people wanting everything made, just so the infestors can make a profit and keeping the consumers believing anything told them by all the lying bafoons we call leaders. We have allowed things to get way out of hand for so long we can only hope we can fly as we go over the cliff. Tom Friedman is one of this nations biggest bafoons. As far as riding bicycles we may have to ride them really far to even find food. All the easy pickings will go very rapidly. I will miss reading Kunstler when the lights go out. Meanwhile we have wall street telling us that people will be willing to pay 5 and more bucks for a gallon of gas and everyone driving around like there is no tomorrow. Nothing has changed or will change. The big banks and corporations still run everything especially the government and people still want to believe that they can believe what they hear. So go out and buy a fiddle and start playing it while the planet burns.

  150. Bustin J February 27, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Horsemanship (I don’t know what else to call it) is in my top 10 sought after post-peak skills.
    Typo says “Or perhaps I could just rent the horse on an as-needed basis. Perhaps the new job would be carriage driver/owner.”
    The cost per mile of the horse is atrocious. The upkeep is constant. Spare parts are required frequently. And of course, only one horsepower.

  151. Bustin J February 27, 2012 at 11:20 pm #

    MalthusV said, “I dislike this fear mongering which turns us against each other and destroys community. I used to hitchhike a lot and always pick up hitchhikers, I’ve never had a bad experience. Yet people say it’s too dangerous to pick up hitchhikers despite the stats that show violent crime is down. Where is the solidarity if we live in fear of one another.”
    Look, we believe what the people on the news say. Look, there are car crashes, rapes, murders, arsons, and riots everywhere nowadays!
    Actually the 30% reduction in crime has been attributed to many things, demographic shift, aging populations, even abortion and contraception benefits free from the government.
    So, what TV show did you see hitch-hikers being murdered? Or how else could one know these things?
    The vulnerable hitch hiker and shadowy predators are pop mythologies.
    Pop mythologies (did anyone watch the XLVII Academy awards??) are self-perpetuating creatures of cultural media.

  152. Buck Stud February 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm #

    Speaking of whores, I recall Vlad stating that Miles Davis was “pure reptilian evil”. Befittingly, I ran across the below line directed towards one of Mile’s detractors:
    “you sound like a whores stubbed out cigarette in an ashtray full? of regret and lipstick stained dreams.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MqKhBuAzo&feature=related

  153. Bustin J February 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

    K-Ruff says “There must be some survival value in being stubborn ignorant and stupid. I wonder if any psychologists or sociologists have studied this?”
    Probably. But you never know. LIUATUWYT.

  154. Buck Stud February 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

    Not sure about the Under Cats but I’m very impressed with JHK’s essays of late. And many of the posters, too. And then the likes of yours truly shows up to stain the effort with dribble and silly puddy. As Descartes suggested, some emanations are poor echo’s indeed.

  155. charliefoxtrot February 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    according to a local news expose, the sharp decline in crime statistics over the last few years was because of a change in how they recorded the stats…the police were pretty much concentrating on driving “offenses” and either not recording rapes and assaults, or falsely closing the cases w/out investigating…in other words, massaging the numbers just like all the banks have been doing- what a coinkydink; over about the same time period…

  156. Bustin J February 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    “I ride my bike to work, to the store, and for fun, unfortunately, tires, lubrication, housing, and a bike’s manufacturing depend on oil. Now the latest fad is carbon fiber, someday soon bike steel frames are going to be a thing of the past.”
    Eh? In die-off the bikes don’t die. There will always be bikes, tons of em. Thats the bright side- IF you make it through the population keyhole, you get your choice of high-end bike to ride.

  157. Bustin J February 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    CFT says “…the police were pretty much … massaging the numbers just like all the banks have been doing; over about the same time period…”
    Yes. This is the Fog of Mendacity as of 2012.

  158. Pucker February 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    “Pucker —
    As you may have noticed, we’ve asked you for a donation a few times now.
    But according to our records, you haven’t yet made an online donation to this campaign at this email address. (If our records are wrong, I apologize and thank you!)
    I’m not writing to ask you for money again. I’m actually writing to ask your opinion about why you haven’t given, and what you think would inspire you or other Obama supporters like you to decide to take the leap and donate.
    We have two quick questions for you. Can you take a minute to answer them?
    There’s a good reason we’re asking for your feedback: The kind of organization we all decided to be a part of only works if people like you pitch in to build it.
    It’s also the reason no other candidate has been able to match our level of grassroots support. This isn’t the easiest way to run a campaign — but we know it’s the right way.
    That’s why we want to know what you’re thinking.
    Please take a minute to answer these two questions today:
    http://my.barackobama.com/Your-Support-In-2012
    Thanks so much,
    Rufus
    Rufus Gifford
    National Finance Director
    Obama for America”

  159. rippedthunder February 27, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    Hi Bustin, I’d address uza as BJ but hey, not cool! In the late ’70’s I hitched every day to get into Aspen from Snowmass. I had to meet my gal who worked at the only big supermarket in town at the time. I’d put on the Stetson and sure enough some rich Texan would pick me up within’ minutes. I really liked hitchin. I talked to a lot of kool folks. I also picked up many a hitcher in the day. I spent hours talkin’ about the road and where to head. It seems to be a lost art. I believe the law has stamped it out. That hitchhiking killer bull is a total crock of shit.

  160. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    Sonofabitch!! No Peak oil here abouts but I can’t get that polecat thats been sprayin’ my dogs!! Got dam It!!!! I’M pissed! I can usually get them on the first day. It has been a week and now I have two traps and all I get is Opussum’s. If I was Granny on the “Beverly Hillbibllies” I’d have plenty of stew! Stinkin’ Skunks!!haha. This is really pissin’ me off. Ok he is smarter than me . Fuck him. My wife says the .22. I say no way! that will really get get the stink up.

  161. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 12:30 am #

    And? Is she Catholic? Is she Vatican plant?

  162. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 12:31 am #

    ‘YOURE TOO DUMB TO HAVE A CHOICE’
    JOHN HIATT

  163. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    ‘I dislike this fear mongering which turns us against each other and destroys community’
    Actually what studies have shown is Diversity
    [due to immigration] ruins communities.
    Except Detroit, a land unto itself.

  164. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 12:39 am #

    I donated $ to NPR /KPFK then found that the gal that runs the stations gets 500k [or close to it]
    a year.

  165. bossier22 February 28, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    Yeah , your right. And it will turn this country into shithole just like Haiti.

  166. Pucker February 28, 2012 at 1:24 am #

    Obama, for some strange reason, keeps asked me to give him three U.S. Dollars. What’s the big deal about the number three?
    It doesn’t really make any sense to me. Obama’s backed by the world’s largest investment banks and Wall Street.
    It’s a bit like “Ground Hog Day”. Why do people show up each year to see what the ground hog does? I don’t know…. I don’t buy that whole thing about 6 more weeks of Winter….

  167. Pucker February 28, 2012 at 2:24 am #

    Obama’s always asking people to give him three U.S. Dollars.
    Definition of a US$3 bill from Urban Dictionary:
    Three Dollar Bill
    Noun (Slang) A euphenism for homosexual, generally a male homosexual. “That guy’s as queer as a three dollar bill”
    Fake, not real. Counterfeit.
    That watch is as fake as a three dollar bill.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=three+dollar+Bill

  168. jeloughrey February 28, 2012 at 3:47 am #

    Thanks, Jim, for another excellent post. Two points: As gas prices approach $4 a gallon and are predicted to rise another dollar by Memorial Day, I still see plenty of people driving their big-ass trucks and SUV’s. Even here in progressive Portland, Oregon, there are plenty of monster trucks and oversized luxury vehicles on the road. Americans have learned nothing about changing their driving habits from the last oil “crisis.”
    Secondly, there is a huge disinformation campaign about the oil industry. I have recently read that the largest current export in the US is oil. If the US is suddenly so flush with petroleum, than why aren’t we consuming our own oil rather than fighting oil wars of choice in the Middle East? And if the US has so much oil that we can afford to export it, why are gasoline prices spiking? I have also read that demand in the US for gas is at a 15-year-low (probably because Americans have no money) and also that the supply is up. Then why are prices rising when they should be falling? The propaganda machines can’t keep their lies straight, but most Americans are too busy just trying to survive to notice.

  169. The Walking Dead! February 28, 2012 at 6:29 am #

    James, Another great blog!
    Can we please stop with the religious/ethnic bullshit! Most “normal” people DO NOT CARE if you are a Jew/black/Arab/white or F’ing pink. Some of the stories you people believe are so ridicules that it makes one wonder if you have actually evolved from the same line of humans. Please crawl back to your scum filled caves and let the conversation continue without your nonsense.
    Love
    The Walking Dead

  170. ozone February 28, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    Good fer youse, re. Eliza.
    BTW, what’s an “ANDREAS”?
    (Yes, I’ll look it up as well.)
    And finally, have you gone ’round the bend? (Or perhaps, like me, been there for some time.)
    Busybodies want to know!
    ;o)

  171. metuselah February 28, 2012 at 8:31 am #

    John Perkins – Our Current World Crisis
    http://goo.gl/qyZnp

  172. Widespreadpanic7 February 28, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    For all the CFners who hate big business but love big Government, here’s one for you. The first black police chief of Hartford was recently forced to retire. The force is rife with corruption, mutual suspicion, and incompetence. Crime in the city approaches 3rd world levels (which makes sense since it is a third world city.) For all his good work the ‘Chief’ receives a $252,000 buyout, and at age 53, $10,500 per month for the rest of his life. (The Chief) being black, of course, the local media keeps mum. Keep in mind that Hartford is among the poorest cities in North America, if not the poorest.
    I know we’re required to hate the top 1%, but what about these parasites and looters in the public sector unions? What do we make of them? Love & Gratitude?
    –WSP7

  173. ozone February 28, 2012 at 8:42 am #

    “Obama, for some strange reason, keeps asked me to give him three U.S. Dollars. What’s the big deal about the number three?” -Puck
    Ahh, well that would be the [innocuous-sounding] number of dollars that was arrived at by WallStreet sponsored think-tanks, studies, polls, and focus groups to bilk out of the rubes without much feather-ruffling. (These efforts cost hundreds of millions of rich bastards money, so we hope they get some return from nailing down the final Goldilocks number.)
    Me? I like to return the postage-free donation envelope with nothing in it whatsoever (or any boxes checked). You could add a nasty note if you’d like.

  174. Widespreadpanic7 February 28, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    And on top of that, we learn that CRT, the main poverty agency in Hartford and the recipient of $80 million per year in federal and state grants, pays its executives $300,000 per year, and keeps former executives on the payroll in no-show jobs at $100,000 per year apiece, many who live in Florida and the Caribbean.
    Good work if you can get it. Turns out there is pretty good money in Poverty.
    –WSP7

  175. ozone February 28, 2012 at 8:58 am #

    WSP,
    I’d say that just shows-t-go-ya that the Exclusive Club of Greedy Grasping Chiselers and Assholes knows no race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political affiliation, property holdings, age, or intellect.
    THAT is something you can probably trust. ;o)

  176. metuselah February 28, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    I know we’re required to hate the top 1%, but what about these parasites and looters in the public sector unions?
    ==
    You vote with your feet. You walk away. You don’t use their system. You don’t pay them tribute. And until they change their ways, you have nothing to do with them. Without YOU these parasites cannot exist.
    See: February 28, 2012 8:31 AM

  177. wardoc February 28, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    1930’s ? 1830’s ? Baloney !!!!!
    Try 10,000 BC. Look at the numbers. Without very cheap oil for not only transport, but to make CHEAP
    fertilizers, drugs, you name it, the 1830’s will look like Buck Roger’s futuristic paradise. Imagine, just in the US, 350 million people, 1/2 diseased with old time microbes like typus and no access to antibiotics, and all 350mil (except the 1% in their bunkers) starving,going berserk and trying to eat each other (look at historical examples, its a taboo topic but, cannabilism was rampant in the collapses of former Yogoslavia, in Russia during WWII, in China during the transition, in Korea last decade, don’t even think about sub-saharan Africa).
    10,000BC. Get ready. Personally, I’m carving a big club for hitting women in the head and dragging them back to my cave. 🙂
    Wardoc

  178. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    RT,
    If you catch that big, stinky bugger, you bring ‘im on by. We’ve got some coyotes that need a little lesson in territorial boundaries, and I think that polecat would be just the right teacher! ;o)
    (Plus, he might get more toned-up running these woods without human garbage to munch on.)

  179. tegmark February 28, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=177939
    Combinational Game
    Of bits, look at Mass Energy as a combination of bits, as a starting point, as a number therefore, and look at a combination that is defined as a target, as a goal, as a result so you have the starting number that must reach the final number through a sequence of intermediate numbers, and that is the process that Mass Energy undergoes through the free forces of the Laws of Physics, and/or as imposed by Free Will(s) pushing the starting number to reach the end number by brute force or through a process that must be constrained by the Laws of Physics and other Free Wills opposing or imposing or conditioning the ease or difficulty, the speed, the resistance to change that the starting number undergoes as it navigates through intermediate numbers until it reaches the final goal achieved, result achieved, success achieved (but only as defined and arbitrarily assigned by the aesthetic and artistic values that an arbitrary Man Brain decided should be a successful goal (of course as such a Man Brain is conditioned by arbitrary pain/pleasure circuits and (both biologically and culturally) hardwired circuits in its mind that chooses the goals for him automatically)).
    But the sequence of numbers is conditioned by another sequence of numbers guiding the process, as the Man Brain itself is a combination of Mass Energy therefore a number, and the goals themselves are another sequence and set of numbers and so on, and the paths between all of these numbers may be many, varied, cross connecting and intersecting, and the start and end point numbers may vary and may be a function of other numbers and so on, in a never ending maze of combinations of Mass Energy as a Number. And the laws of physics, the resistance to change the paths the numbers follow may be based on so many other new arbitrary laws, and so on, etc.
    And the very sequence of numbers may be a new frozen number itself and so on, numbers that are broken down into dynamic paths and entire histories that are frozen into a single number, and the sequence of numbers may be any at all and imply any kinds of changes from one number to another, any kinds of experiences and forces and emotional or pain/pleasure states associated, etc. as in Mass Energy and the universe is simply a number that can be changed and played around with to any extent and converted into a any other number and such, and all kinds of cross functions, all kinds of relationships, (invented or real, and such) all interacting, as the most generalized form of a universe of experiences and processes that experience and Observers and Processors live within a sea of numbers.
    And the number of intermediate numbers between a start point and target point may be one or a trillion or anything else and the paths may go backwards or forwards or anywhere else, and the numbers themselves may be other things, entities and so on. Just keep on inventing and extrapolating and projecting possibilities, create ever new combinations of thought elements to describe the numerical universe as a path and sequence of numbers…

  180. tegmark February 28, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Also from:
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.com/

  181. charliefoxtrot February 28, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    …wait, does this ^ mean the filters have been lifted and wage, lbend, et al are gonna be back?

  182. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:41 am #

    The accelerating rate of collapse.
    Ruppert and Orlov.
    Suppositions/projections based on current directions allowed; mendacity not allowed.
    http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-lifeboat-hour/2012/2/27/the-lifeboat-hour-22612.html
    Irrelevancies ignored.
    Numeric fantasies ignored.
    Sorry, this is not a game, unless you’d opine, “game over”.

  183. ztfmntyjfd February 28, 2012 at 9:47 am #

  184. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    Mmmmmm, I dunno. Comment box just went flukey on me, but I just shut off, rather than supply info the program is looking for.
    We’ll see if this goes through…

  185. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:53 am #

    I guess that represents the pique of a putz.

  186. messianicdruid February 28, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    while the dollar {paper or electrons} continues to move toward its intrinsic value of zero those making exchanges will be encouaRAGED to believe that it is the other party to the exchange that is greedy. your claim on the wealth produced by others is a fraud.
    {first post from phone}

  187. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Putz’s Peak. Can an H2 drive up it?

  188. ozone February 28, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    Worked fine, MD.
    That’s a lot of thumb-work (as I’ve said to Charlie)!

  189. Graham Jura February 28, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Wow, yet another diatribe of “People are going to lose their shit in “X” amount of time, you better watch out, boy…”
    I think it would be HILARIOUS to go back through all of your blog updates and draw a timeline for every single uprising, coup, mass suicide, government bombing and street fight in suburbia that you’ve called for and see how many of them were correct. I think I have a pretty good idea on how many of them were.
    And another thing…you seem hellbent on calling out politicians, oil barons and all other windbags as being full-of-shit and telling people just what they want to hear in order to push their agenda. Ever look within and wonder why your continued calls for mass anarchy and a “world made by hand” regularly flood this blog? It wouldn’t be because you have a book entitled “World Made by Hand” would it?
    You’re a shill, Jim. No different than the people you decry.

  190. urp February 28, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    ” The truth is we probably have perhaps a seven-year supply of shale gas, and maybe 20 of all gas including the regular old conventional gas.”
    Oh, so thats the truth? Your numbers are the truth? The TRUTH is that no one fucking knows. And the reason no one knows is that the O&G is hidden from sight. Another truth is that since technology has opened up new areas the old “recoverable” reserve figures have been blown out of the water.
    Remember your book “The Long Emergency”, Jim-bob? You do remember you wrote it? Why are you trying so desperately to shorten our time before the end of the world? What a fucking pants-wetting nincompoop.

  191. k-dog February 28, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    People already are loosing their ‘shit’. 10% of our population can’t get jobs and gasoline prices are climbing. We do not have to wait. Politicians, oil barons and other windbags only get called full-of-shit when their being mendacious. Honest ones get praise.

  192. urp February 28, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    Tom Friedman was, is and will remain an IDIOT. How this moron has developed a following merely demonstrates the mind-bending stupidity of TV “intellectuals”.
    The world isn’t flat, Tommy-boy, your brain-scan graph, however, is.

  193. k-dog February 28, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Yes that’s the truth as best we know it. The source is Arthur E. Berman. A trained and experienced geologist. Do you have any trained and experienced geologists which support your point of view?
    Of course if one is ignorant they can claim anything to be true, like you just did. Do you draw pretty maps of fossil fuel deposits for a living? Inquiring minds want to know.

  194. k-dog February 28, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    How is it that a ‘TV intellectual’ has a column in the New York Times?

  195. Rhino February 28, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    I still want all the Rainbow Coalition types on CFN to WALK THE WALK by taking after-dinner strolls in a nearby ghetto or barrio at least a few nights every week of the year. – Eleuthero
    Want to see a “liberal” “walk the walk” as you say? They “walk the walk” when the son or daughter marries a Black or Latino or Asian without the Rainbow Coalition mommy and daddy having a cow.
    Nothing tests the strength of liberal convictions like the sudden prospect of little brown grandchildren or in-laws and relatives that don’t look, sound or smell like them. What would that do after all to their all-American corporate image?

  196. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    See ‘Crimes of the Times’ blog.
    Especially the ‘halal taxi’ 2 minute movie from the Times!
    The Times is disinformation.

  197. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    Wardoc your optimism is too much.

  198. k-dog February 28, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    ‘disinformation’ but not T.V.

  199. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    Canada, land of the free?
    MAN ARRESTED FOR HIS CHILD DOING A DRAWING OF A GUN
    a kindergarten class piece of art that Jessie Sansone probably won’t want to hang on the refrigerator anytime soon………………….
    After Jesse Sansone’s 4-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun, cops handcuffed the clueless father and dragged him off to jail. It was there that the dad was stripped of his clothes and searched by the authorities. Sansone was never charged with a crime.
    Sansone wasn’t expecting to be greeted by police when he went to pick up his three children from school last week.
    “He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters,” teachers say the girl explained.
    The father says he doesn’t own a gun. Nor does he kill monsters.
    “I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Sansone, 26, tells The Record out of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
    “I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school,” he says.
    After seeing the image in question, the school’s staff became shocked as well. So much so, in fact, that they rang up child welfare officials and local law enforcement and arranged for them to meet the girl’s father at the end of the school day. By that evening, Sansone had been handcuffed, whisked away to jail and forced to remove his clothes so he could be subjected to a strip search.
    Authorities took all three of Sansone’s children and dragged them to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed. His wife, Stephanie Squires, tells The Record that authorities never explained themselves.
    “He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake,’ ” she says.
    Despite her pleas, the ordeal went on for hours. Sansone says he was scared and was told he would be charged with possession of a firearm.
    ………………………………………. The problem was, he says, that he doesn’t own a gun. After being held for hours, Sansone was eventually freed from jail and was asked to authorize a search of his home. Though he didn’t have to comply, he says he did so anyway.
    Authorities did not recover any weapons in their search (or monsters). His wife says they knew they wouldn’t. The police, she says, acted on an assumption and nothing else.
    “The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing,” she says.
    The girl’s father was pretty surprised the school acted that way, as well. Only last year, he says, the principal offered him a job as a counselor there.
    Sansone is a licensed personal support worker that educates children in classrooms across the region.
    The principal, Steve Zack, tells The Record that it was the welfare agency’s decision to involve the authorities.

  200. k-dog February 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    OK, I watched the ‘halal taxi’ 2 minute move.
    This movie clip is significant how? I don’t see the big deal.

  201. cheesemoose February 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    It’s funny how we all have our own particular blind spots. Jim spent much of a recent podcast lamenting the fact that he can’t sleep. He’s been wired up by experts in sleep disorders and they can’t find anything wrong with him.
    Maybe they ought to read one of his Monday morning missives. I personally would be surprised if the author of these dark prophecies was blissfully sawing logs through the wee hours of the morning. Talk about American cluelessness! Our self-appointed 21st century Jeremiah expects to predict the end of life as we know it by day – and retire to his boudoir for 8 hours of undisturbed shut-eye by night.
    Jim, you’ve carved out a nice perch for yourself as our secular prophet of doom. But complaining about lack of sleep is like Alice Cooper complaining about the taste of the chicken heads he bites off onstage: it’s part of the gig, dude!

  202. charliefoxtrot February 28, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    …yeah, it says he didn t have to comply…realistically, though, whaddya gonna do? doesn t canada have their own version of the patriot act? and didn t they make it illegal to own any fire-arm, incuding those .25 cal chalk rifles for the decathlon, ‘giving’ govt the ‘right’ to search his home regardless of permission, based solely on suspicion? i personally have very little in common with the NRA, especially republican politics- except a deeply held belief in the sanctity of the Second…although i think the FF got it backwards: the right to bear arms is the only thing that allows us the right to assemble & speak our minds…look out for the blue helmets, Clusterfuckers…!

  203. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    Just a little HAHA!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=5u03KAcEbEo

  204. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Hi WSP, When I was a kid in the ’60’s Hartford and New Britski were great cities. Now, no way. Springfield ,Ma (The City of Homes) was beautiful. Now they have shootings every weekend. What the F happened to our cities?

  205. muddmike February 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    The gas companies have as much as admitted that the Marcellus shale gas is NOT a 100 year supply. They had their senator Toomey (R- Wall Street)push through a bill allowing foreign vessels into American ports to move liquified natural gas from NJ to ethylene plants in the Gulf.
    This is the most expensive way to move gas. If the as was really a 100 year supply, they would be building pipelines to move the gas to the Gulf. Instead they are putting people at risk of substandard ships moving a very dangerous cargo into and out of American ports.

  206. messianicdruid February 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    beantownbill asked, “to which link are you referring?”
    http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm

  207. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    Hey again WSP, I am in a “public sector union” I’m just a worker bee though. They just published the State troopers pay in the paper. Many of the privates are making over $225,000.00 a year. Sure they work lots of OT. Since 9/11 they have a trooper “Guarding ” the Cobble Mt. dam from “terrorists”. He dozes in his car all day for 50 bucks an hour.It used to be a beautiful area for hiking, biking, walking the dog, whatever. Now it is forever shutoff for recreation. What a waste!

  208. jackieblue2u February 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Great.
    What is wrong with people ?
    they don’t get it.

  209. jackieblue2u February 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Catchy ! Entertaining. probably be hearing that in my head all day, but that’s not a bad thing.
    better than the usual stuff in my head !
    anyway Thanks for posting that.
    Comedy is So important.
    If I didn’t laugh I’d cry, is so true.
    I need to go see comedy more. Seriously.
    may get some cd’s for while driving, which we
    all know isn’t fun or funny. anymore. pretty much.

  210. charliefoxtrot February 28, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    hey, check this out from albert: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article25996.htm
    @ ak & k-dog: sorry for the publication of the entire link; i still haven t figured out how to isolate the anchor tag…

  211. Tancred February 28, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    As long as energy, housing, telecommunications, education, and healthcare remain for-profit industries, I can’t see any way the cost of any of these thing will ever be “reasonable.” You can’t tell me that the house my dad purchased in 1962 for 29K is ACTUALLY worth more the more than 1 million for which it has been recently appraised. Inflation could never possibly account for such increases. What can is overt greed and middlemen, like real estate agents and advertisers. As a longtime skeptic, it’s hard for me to admit that the vast bulk of our populace is indeed stupid, but I think they are.
    For financial “success,” just find something that people are desperate for, whether for practical or emotional reasons, and market the shit out of it. When they busted up AT&T, the first thing the Baby Bells started doing was yanking out pay phones all across urban America. Hence horrible companies such as Metro PCS whose stores look like welfare agencies on any given day, with lines of brown people waiting to pay their bill. Cars for $30,000 are marketed as if that is cheap. WTF? McMansions too. Greed run rampant.
    Is anybody keeping track of Mr. Murdoch’s entrenched scheme of bribery regarding his British “newspapers?” This is the guy that owns FOX.

  212. newworld February 28, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    I asked a serious question on what we are going to do with the Democratic voting poor, and I get no answer.
    So there you are folks there are no answers, and what we get from both sides is as JHK predicts, illiberal liberals and magic thinking conservatives.
    The left is full of out and out genocidal craving racists and the right is full of war loving crackpots, now there is a good mix.

  213. Widespreadpanic7 February 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    Anybody here get an invite to the NBA-HipHop artist $30,000 per plate Obama fundraising dinner in Orlando this week? No? Its part of a White House initiative called ‘Africans Americans for Obama’. So should I be looking for a similar Republican effort named ‘European Americans for Romney’? Probably not, huh!!
    Ripthunder, I was in one of those public sector unions myself. I saw it from the inside, was even a steward for a few years; the sense of entitlement, the abuse of Workmans comp and sick leave, people who should be fired kept on the job, promotion based on race and gender, raises based on time served, not merit … the whole goddam rotten system at every level. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about.
    –WSP7

  214. Widespreadpanic7 February 28, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    And Ripthunder, those $225,000 per year troopers, I wonder what they think of the public they’re supposed to be serving? Probably not much; vassals, plebes, nuisances, little people in the way of their $5,000 per week paycheck. How could it be any different?
    –WSP7

  215. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

    Yes, achieving societal equity is a daunting task, with vacillations threatening to upend the entirety at every turn. But instead of carefully cradling the equivalent of nitroglycerin over rocky roads, you jar the match fuse of stereotypes and hidden agenda in order to lay it all to waste.
    WSP got his; now it’s time to scorch the earth behind him in order to save a few precious pennies.

  216. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    *equanimity*
    And while I’m on the subject, it’s probably a good time to declare the obvious: those in the 58-75 yr old range are without question, the most destructive, selfish, decadent, arrogant group of Americans ever. And the sooner they depart their corporeal shells the sooner the rest of the world will heal.

  217. messianicdruid February 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    “You can’t tell me that the house my dad purchased in 1962 for 29K is ACTUALLY worth more the more than 1 million for which it has been recently appraised. Inflation could never possibly account for such increases.”
    How much was a dime worth then? You can sell it now for 25 to 30 times face value. You are most of the way there without any consideration of other market forces.

  218. turkle February 28, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    “illiberal liberals”
    Isn’t this completely self-contradictory? How can someone who is illiberal be a liberal? As usual, you’re not making a lot of sense.

  219. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    State Government in Wyoming prepares for complete collapse of national government

  220. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    HOWS THIS FOR A FACEBOOK PAGE?
    ‘The Saudi People Demand the Execution of Hamza Kashgari’.”
    Saudi national faces prospect of execution for tweeting
    “Insulting the Prophet [Mohammed] is considered blasphemous in Islam,” notes OnIslam.net, “which is a crime punishable by execution in Saudi Arabia.”
    Hamza Kashgari, a 23-year-old Saudi blogger, now faces the prospect of execution for tweeting this message on Islam’s Prophet Mohammed’s birthday:
    “I have loved things about you and I have hated things about you and there is a lot I don’t understand about you. I will not pray for you.”
    Kashgari was en route to New Zealand when he was detained by Malaysian authorities at the request of Interpol because of the tweet. He was then deported to Saudi Arabia, where he was arrested for blasphemy.
    Saudi clerics have declared the 23 year-old to be an apostate, and, as Charles Santiago, DAP’s MP for Klang, notes in Free Malaysia Today, “13,000 people have joined a Facebook page titled
    ‘The Saudi People Demand the Execution of Hamza Kashgari’.”………………………………

  221. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    ‘Africans Americans for Obama’
    Yep, he promised Hope n Change! wow!
    Clearly the 1% rules.

  222. Rick February 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Good post Jim.
    You’re right about the lies and propaganda. It’s everywhere, even on NPR. Which I use to like, now I call it National Propaganda Radio. They use to have some balls.
    I think it’s illegal to use propaganda on your own people, according to Max Keiser.
    Anyway like Global Warming, like Peak Oil, the
    the propaganda, and lies won’t stop it. Most are going to screwed.

  223. charliefoxtrot February 28, 2012 at 5:41 pm #

    damn, buck, tell us how you really feel…! tho i feel the same way about the tea party, who want to slash all of the ss and medicare- for everybody else

  224. Widespreadpanic7 February 28, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    I don’t have mine, Buck. I’m still at work, 10 hours per nite, 6 nites a week, in a newspaper pressroom. Non union this time, atho it still pays pretty good.
    –WSP7

  225. budizwiser February 28, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Who knows – this train wreck may still play out for a decade. The corporate/federal-government corruption has been going strong for over thirty years – and yet – there is still some manufacturing left in America.
    The true costs of US petroleum production has been well hidden for over a decade through wars and deceptive taxation and accounting practices.
    What I am looking forward to is a more “Greece-like” future for the US citizen. In this “future scenario” – our blessed federal government austerity measures destroy much of the petroleum demand by taking whatever is left of the disposable income of the working class while preserving enough transportation infrastructures for the rich to have fun and convenience.
    It’s my understanding that Gulf-Stream 12 passenger models are hot. And there are waiting lines for some of the newer 300hp hybrid SUVs.
    It’s all numbers. Keep about 75 million people with access to money happy. The other 225 million can go – slowly – to hell.
    This will take some time to get interesting. JK is way – way ahead of the story…..

  226. greyghost05 February 28, 2012 at 6:47 pm #

    Dog,
    I remember the 1st big lie arab oil embargo too. It was 1973 and the price out here in Mi jumped from .39 a gal for Super Shell to .45 and we all thought the world was coming to an end.
    And then SOHIO(now BP) built the pipeline across Alaska. It was supposed to help make us energy independent. Oh sure ! The ruse back then was that Saudi Arabia supposedly had oil reserves that would last 88 years. The newly discovered Prudoe Bay had 2X Saudi = 176 years,then oil was found on the North Slope and it was twice as much as Prudoe Bay, 2X 176 = 352 years for a combined reserve of 528 yeras of oil in just those 2 sites. Then there was the Baltimore Canyon oil on the east coast and off Santa Barbara plus the Texas/Oklahoma oil and we were free of imports. Right ?
    So based on these figures 1) Why are we importing almost as much as we export ? 2) Who the fuck is lying ?
    I remember the summer of 1974 very well. It was a summer in which most people did very little traveling. The high fuel prices put the “Happy Motoring” lifestyle for the working class to rest.
    My Dad who lived on Long Island said there were lines everywhere and odd even gas rationing. He flipped when I told him we had no such thing like that here in Michigan. And though higher in price it was and always has been cheaper then the NY area by about .40 a gallon ever since.
    As of right now gas in Toledo,Ohio spans between 3.49 to 3.85 for 87 octane regular. How are prices out your way ?
    Phil

  227. greyghost05 February 28, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Rip
    If you gut shoot em with the .22 they will run off and crawl into a hole and die thus saving the trouble of burying them. I used to have a similar problem with woodchucks and feral cats. Dr. Remington and Wiley Coyote have cured this for now. The coyotes are eating whatever they can. I have to watch when I let the dogs out. Mine is a 75# Shepard but my son’s is a 20# Cockapoo. A snack for the 60+ pound coyotes running around out here.

  228. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    Thanks, but those in Govt dont see that if the BIG
    govt falls, will people honor a states currency?
    They are not thinking quite along the lines of many at this blog.
    Collapse aint orderly nor pretty.
    They want a nice orderly collapse and a new greenback.

  229. turkle February 28, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    What studies might those be, soaky?

  230. anti soak February 28, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Marlin you are too much!!!
    I quote a post way above yours:
    ‘Immigration is as natural as taking a stroll in the park’ turkle.
    WSP/Marlin, Do you know where Chandra Levy got offed? and by whom? and that he could have been deported long before her murder?
    And that the WashPost called him a ‘migrant’ or somesuch?

  231. Eleuthero February 28, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Vlad said:
    The Community has decided unanimously that you are a hater and Bill, your enabler.
    ********************************************************
    I had a few spare moments and had to affirm this point of view. I’ve never seen any poster outside of Fabian who was so vulgar, so acidic, so uncivil, so hateful, and so juvenile as Mika/Metusaleh. But we all knew that. It was a most unwelcome surprise to me that Bill would sanction this consistently monstrous behavior BECAUSE of Met’s tribal affiliation. On a board with any reasonable degree of moderation, Met would have gone the way of Fabian.
    E.

  232. turkle February 28, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    Coming from Vlad Krapski, I find this designation of “hater” to be supremely ironic and hypocritical.
    Maybe that’s just like, my opinion. Shall we let “the community” decide?

  233. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 9:30 pm #

    Perhaps the people have changed? What is the percentage of Blacks and Browns now as opposed to then? Do the research and get back to us.

  234. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    Turk Jerk: Whites attacked in Oakland and other places by the Occupy Movement. Scoll down and look at the video – some of these Occutards are pure scum. The Whites were protesting Black violence in South Africa – something you think everyone would be against. Who are the racists here, eh Turk?
    Some of the Occutards are young and may recover in time. But some are lifers and a just vile dogs.
    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2012/02/white-genocide-protestors-clash-at.html

  235. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    “I know we’re required to hate the top 1%, but what about these parasites and looters in the public sector unions?”
    That would also be Mish’s take – public union workers as “parasites and looters”. And from the perspective of self-employed sole proprietor, public union largesse appears mighty unfair indeed. The benefits, the pensions, the guaranteed salaries/pay raises, in short the entire bill footed by taxpayers which includes the frightening insecurity of the lone entrepreneur for those who have taken virtually no risks associated with in-the-trenches capitalism. Well, no risks except possibly selling their soul down the drain in pursuit of “security”. Or as Joseph Campbell wrote, ‘when you don’t follow your bliss a slow day-by-day death ensues’.
    I wouldn’t worry too much about public union workers, WSP. Their days are numbered because your sentiment is the dominant sentiment. The health insurance CEO with the 20 million dollar bonus is too far out there in comparison to the 120 grand a year retired Chief of Police. In other words, we can only strangle those we are capable of touching.

  236. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Why don’t you give the context for what I said you pig? Miles Davis said that if he had a few mintutes to live he would spend it slowly strangling a White person. Now, you DON’T find that “offensive”? In fact it’s monstrous. And equally so your inability to discern this – a true moral retard, pathetically clinging to his fantasies about underdogs and being one of the cool people who support them.
    Your face offends me. I would fain test the temper of my blade against thy chest.
    Wouldn’t be wonderful if we had a code duello which allowed us to test our mettle with metal – and to gain Satisfaction, the Satisfaction which every Gentleman craves? It is said that Good shall conquer Evil. I say I am Good and you Evil, you say the opposite. Too bad the Gods can’t decide since most people aren’t capable of seeing the obvious.

  237. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    You support the Mika faction then?

  238. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    WSP, I dropped a friend off at Logan, He was moving to Sonoma,CA. He had 4- 50 lb suitcases. It was about 5:45 Am. There were hardly any people there. I pulled up in the drop-off zone and carried two bags in for him. I was not in the terminal for three minutes saying good-bye. When I came out some pissant 160 lb “Statey” was in my face telling me I better move my car or he was gonna have it towed! There were ten spots behind me. I coulda shit. Little bastard is lucky I have a calm head. I was fuming all the way through the Big Dig back to western MA. that you poor middle class folks paid $20,000,000,000.00 for. It probably only cost 5 Billion, but hey it was shovel ready!

  239. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    I am satisfied with the outcome – exactly what I wanted. People have to wake up to the power and extent of Jewish Tribalism – and its endless hypocrisy as it clothes itself in moral supremacy.

  240. turkle February 28, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    The poor victimized whites….You think that the blacks are oppressing/victimizing the whites?
    You seriously lack any historical perspective when it comes to these things…
    Didn’t we bring “them” over here in slavery against their will, make them do hard labor for no pay, brutally suppress them, split up their families, deny them equal rights and the vote, lynch and murder them by the thousands, and then discriminate again them, basically, in one form or another, right up to this day. Then we throw many of them in prison for 10 years for minor drug possession charges using a racially biased judicial system.
    I think the whites win in the appalling violence game! We’re years ahead and we’re very creative and ruthless, so at this point only a minimal amount of overt violence is required. We just have concrete gulags now called “prisons” and “projects” and “ghettos”.
    And you think what is happening at “Occupy Oakland” compares to any of this? The mind boggles…
    Aren’t many of the OO crowd white, anyways?

  241. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    And who is at the top of both sides? As the Protocols say, “We will be in vanguard of all movements.”
    I know they’re all intermarried with “our” Elite now. The latest: Gentile Neo Cons all becoming “Catholics”. So now these fake Catholics fight against the rabid leftist Kennedy Catholics. Of real Catholicism and Catholics barely a peep is heard. The whole thing has just become a coliseum for the battle between other ideologies.

  242. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    Thousands of Whites have been murdered in South Africa since
    Blacks have attained power. And Whites are terrified of what may happen when Mandela dies. He’s been holding back some of the worst of the Black Racists.
    Why don’t you just admit you are an Anti-White, White Racist? Like the proverbial “self hating Jew”. (a Jew who had enough integrity to criticize his own people). That’s not our problem – we have no problem criticizing ourselves. Our problem is loving ourselves. Our race is full of crazed, traitorous, haters like you.

  243. mika. February 28, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    There’s nothing “vulgar” about telling the truth. I called you for what you are. A degenerate conceited mental gimp and a Nazi. I stand by that judgement call. I find practically everything YOU say to be uncivil and hateful. This includes: your attacks on woman, your attacks on blacks and Jews and other minorities such as Spanish migrants (basically all those who are vulnerable), your attacks on the pupils who are not interested in your white supremacism and imperialism, your comradeship with Vlad the nazi agitators, you calling me names, and on and on. But as despicable and disgusting as I find you and your opinions to be, I still didn’t stoop as low as you and Vlad and call for your censorship.
    So tell me how I’m wrong. Tell me how are you not a nazi?

  244. turkle February 28, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    “endless hypocrisy as it clothes itself in moral supremacy”
    Good job on the self-assessment there, Vlad.

  245. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    LOL – calm down there you little drama queen.
    The great ones always get a pass because they will always be remembered first and foremost for their art. Unless, of course, you’re one of those silly philistines who interjects ” I heard Michelangelo was gay” into the middle of a discussion about the Sistine Chapel.
    And as far as meeting my offensive face in a duel, I would beat you up, knock you down, and fuck you in the ass. And God would smile.

  246. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

    Bill, why don’t you some compassion on the Gentile Naif and tell him the Truth? That Jews want to stay separate? Spinoza told the Truth about this long ago. You need your Hamans and Pharoahs – it gives your rationale for hatred.
    I grant you that you all have the right to be yourselves and remain separate from us – even though you don’t grant us the same right to exist. But the hatred, that I don’t countenance. That’s all your’s.

  247. rippedthunder February 28, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    I am no racist, but I do see your point.Our Cities have gone to shit!

  248. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    Art has to be about something. But what? You are so confused. And even then, it’s only about Life and not Life itself. You’re missing the Show.
    You admit then you were wrong, and that dueling would be a fine thing?
    No answer about Miles Davis – the reptile Negro who is your god? What a fag. Both you and Ozone probably follow Black Jazz musicians around and get them drinks while they chat up the White Girls. One can see White “men” like you in such places.

  249. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    If I’m right then you should be a racist. Think about it. Can something be wrong if it’s true? All these liberal posters want to call certain facts “racist”. A fact can’t be racist – it can only be true or false.
    A Racist doesn’t have to be someone who hates other races, but rather one who prefers his own. I grant you there are some who come to enjoy hating but it’s not necessary and not the Point.

  250. mika. February 28, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    A Racist doesn’t have to be someone who hates other races
    ==
    But that’s not what you are. You hate others. You denigrate others as inferior. You oppress others. You steal from others. You commit war and genocide on others. You tell deceitful lies about yourself and others, and on and on.

  251. Pucker February 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm #

    According to the Chardon High School website, at the time of the shooting rampage in the cafeteria of Chardon High School yesterday (27 February 2012), the students’ lunch menu included: “Chicken BLT salad; Chef Salad; Chicken Ranch Wrap; Max Cheese sticks w/ sauce; Meatball Panini; Salsa: Chicken or Beef Burritos w/ rice.”
    http://www.chardon.k12.oh.us/CHS_Lunch.aspx
    https://www.sodexoeducation.com/segment_0200/district_5113/ENM/Entry1/view_pdf.asp?school=6&mealCategory=10&month=2012/2&fichier=201202_51_495_6_10.pdf&monthSelected=February%202012&schoolSelected=Chardon%20High%20School&mealSelected=High%20School%20Lunch&erreurPdf=

  252. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Buck has chosen the Mika faction. He stands revealed for what he is – a traitor to his People.

  253. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    Yes, the meat is to blame. Better far that women learn the art of the blowjob than eat the meat of the dead. Your posts are a tangential delight. And who knows when the tangent will become the saving path?

  254. Vlad Krandz February 28, 2012 at 11:11 pm #

    I only hate races who are oppressing my own. Once that situation ends, my hatred will over – like a line drawn in water. Your’s on the other hand will never end – it is what you are.

  255. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    By your logic The Archies ” Sugar Sugar” narrative contains more “Art” than a not so easily discerned classical music piece merely because it “is about something”.
    Fair enough. You go to your show – the world of the court stenographer/journalist – and I’ll go to mine – the world of the poet probing the ineffable.

  256. charliefoxtrot February 28, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    jeezus fecking christ in a goddamned burnt corn tortilla, what the fuck?! yadda yadda yadda hate yadda race yadda yadda vatican yadda jews yadda- here, i ll throw in goddamned mexicans and muslims, now we ve covered ’em all; what say we get back to the issues at hand, at least for another coupla days…? anyone look at the link i posted about the balloons last week? i got no feedback about whether it looks like a good idea…

  257. mika. February 28, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    I only hate races who are oppressing my own.
    ==
    Oppressing you?! LOL! You are something. Anyway, what goes around comes around. And your comings are way overdue.

  258. Buck Stud February 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Good God, now your carving posters up into contending factions? You become more sophomoric by the week and here I am responding to you in kind.
    It might prove painful for you to backtrack, but within a few hours of JHK’s fine weekly essay -and whose topics you never address- you were posting the following:
    “All White areas must become integrated. We don’t them to be “hideously White” do we!?!? ”
    So what does ” The White Race” teach about etiquette and politeness? Shouldn’t one at least acknowledge the host, or the subject the host writes about before taking off on yet another weekly racial tirade?

  259. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 1:08 am #

    Et tu Jackie?

  260. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 1:18 am #

    You have chosen the path of Evil and must follow it the end unless you repent. So worship your black reptile god and I will worship He Who Is and enjoy the Art that is about Him. You cannot because you worship evil beings like Miles Davis.
    So you are stuck at the aesthetic stage at best. See Kierkegaard for more.

  261. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 1:48 am #

    Funny you should mention that because I did. I mentioned the movie “Collapse” and said that Mr Kunstler had several appearances in it.
    Now notice how Bucky Boy stopped talking about Miles Davis: he knows very well that Davis actually did say that horrible thing. But Buck just doesn’t care. Jazz is more important than White safety, dignity, or survival. The Aesthetic stage is ammoral at best.

  262. tegmark February 29, 2012 at 2:30 am #

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    Of bits, look at Mass Energy as a combination of bits, as a starting point, as a number therefore, and look at a combination that is defined as a target, as a goal, as a result so you have the starting number that must reach the final number through a sequence of intermediate numbers, and that is the process that Mass Energy undergoes through the free forces of the Laws of Physics, and/or as imposed by Free Will(s) pushing the starting number to reach the end number by brute force or through a process that must be constrained by the Laws of Physics and other Free Wills opposing or imposing or conditioning the ease or difficulty, the speed, the resistance to change that the starting number undergoes as it navigates through intermediate numbers until it reaches the final goal achieved, result achieved, success achieved (but only as defined and arbitrarily assigned by the aesthetic and artistic values that an arbitrary Man Brain decided should be a successful goal (of course as such a Man Brain is conditioned by arbitrary pain/pleasure circuits and (both biologically and culturally) hardwired circuits in its mind that chooses the goals for him automatically)).
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  263. 8man February 29, 2012 at 3:06 am #

    Vlad Krandz, si proprio nu cazzo…

  264. insufferable February 29, 2012 at 7:12 am #

    Dear Jim,
    Two points: 1. See the Veteran (movie). It’s message is that the Afghanistan War is just another way to distract the public. The real problem is that the world cannot sustain itself, and the governments are just into distractions, lies, and making money by selling drugs to its public to keep the (sheep) quiet.
    2. I recently had dinner with a wealthy couple. (chinese wife, Jewish husband) both is very high end real estate in NYC. The whites of their eyes were showing. They are scared. They see their lifestyle changing and they don’t know how to handle it. I could smell the fear, though they did their best to hide it, and fish around trying to see how my husband and I were weathering the “recession.” I knew they were in trouble when I heard, “Now that the recession is over its getting so much better” Followed up with we just lost 5 sales because the sellers changed their minds and didn’t want to sell, because they had no where to go, a n d,
    a water tower over 100 feet tall is being built on their property line by the town. Their 3 million dollar house with 70 thousand dollar yearly tax bill is going to go down in value.
    Jim, the whites of their eyes were showing.

  265. Widespreadpanic7 February 29, 2012 at 7:20 am #

    That’s some well thought out, measured responses to my posts yesterday, Buck Stud. Mika, yours as well.
    I pretty much feel the same about Big Business as I feel about Big Government. They aren’t one in the same, but they are similar in their relationship to the citizenry. The main difference I see, with business its easy to turn your back on it simply by not buying their products and services, which this website is partially about. But how do you ignore a massive, intrusive, destructive, nanny-state big government with the power to tax, a gulag of prisons, jails and lockups coast to coast, and millions of police at every level enforcing enough laws to fill a skyscraper? There is ‘No Exit’, (to use the Satre’ title).
    –WSP7

  266. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 7:58 am #

    marlin- i think Big Biz & Big Gov ARE in some ways one and the same; at least nowadays…i know it s not intended that way, but somewhere along the line “they” figured out to use the buracracy (Q-check?) and representative disconnect in order to enrich a few at the expense of the rest…instead of ignoring the problem; is it not our duty as free (if only in the abstract) citizens to do whatever it might take to reacquire the reins and steer the stagecoach away from the cliff? whether to the left or right, as far as ideology goes, just about anything would be better than straight towards third-world status (which some here are already experiencing) for us all…?

  267. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 8:17 am #

    …representative democracy is really nothing more than an agreement among and within society to live under the constraints of a common set of rules…when We allow a set. Or ‘class’ of people to live by a different code- for purposes here, let them call themselves “elite”- then that agreement is null, and must be re-negotiated…i ve long believed that in an era of communication We The People could be just that, by removing the middle-man from elections, and try direct democracy for a change…if our representatives in congress were to spend most of their time in their own districts- discovering and then acting upon the express wishes of constituents, instead of spending 364 days a year fund-raising and accepting bribes, then maybe things would work as intended…but at the very least i submit that the electoral college has passed it s useful shelf-life; and i think that any issue affecting our nation as a whole should be voted on in referendum by the whole of us…2%, anyone?

  268. Widespreadpanic7 February 29, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    CFT, direct referendums on critical issues, that would be a tough thing to pull off in a nation of 310 million people.
    –WSP7

  269. Eleuthero February 29, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    Vlad said:
    Turk Jerk: Whites attacked in Oakland and other places by the Occupy Movement. Scoll down and look at the video – some of these Occutards are pure scum. The Whites were protesting Black violence in South Africa – something you think everyone would be against. Who are the racists here, eh Turk?
    ************************************************************
    I left the OWS movement myself when I saw that it was just Move-On under disguise i.e., supporting such a litany of liberal causes that the original intent to fight corporate fascism got lost.
    Human capital, both white and black, is fleeing from S. Africa at an alarming rate because of something that should surprise no one … violent crime. You know that something’s a national embarrassment to a country when, as the Daily Beast quotes: “There are no official statistics on emigration out of South Africa”. The brain drain from S. Africa is alarming.
    I attribute the black exodus from South Africa to a similar phenomenon in the States i.e., when a black man attains financial success through education, being a sports star, etc., they do not generally remain in black neighborhoods since they, too, do not wish to be in high crime areas. The blacks leaving South Africa are generally the more educated ones.
    Anybody wishing to research this merely needs to type in “crime in south africa after apartheid” and you’ll get besieged by hits from both conservative, liberal, and neutral political sources.
    E.

  270. mika. February 29, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    WSP7,
    There is always an exist!
    Watch the video I posted earlier:
    John Perkins – Our Current World Crisis
    ( http://youtu.be/5mqqtCoes50 )
    Perkins understands the system very well. The solutions are much easier and simpler than you imagine. You just need the will, the awareness, and the mindset to change and to organize for change.
    You have the awareness. You now need the will to change, and to organize for change. If Alex Jones can do it, so can you.

  271. mika. February 29, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    exit

  272. 8man February 29, 2012 at 9:12 am #

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  273. 8man February 29, 2012 at 9:14 am #

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    Ok, now it no longer belongs in the Rant House, ok, now it is ok, ok, Thank You. You’re Welcome.
    THE EIGHT MAN

  274. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 9:24 am #

    well, sure, there are logistics to be considered- but the system was set up in a time when it took three weeks to have a conversation between concord and new york…one idea off the top of my head would be to have polling booths everywhere- redbox?- with security such as palm-scanners, retinal scanners, dna readers or such like…have voting on issues be tied to some incentive/dis-centive, and, say, mandatory participation (register, vote optional perhaps) for a certain percentage of votes…like i said, logistics…thing is, it would be far more indicative of the mood of the people who live here and have to deal with everyday life…them fucking clueless congressional criminals are destroying our nation; we need to do SOMETHING different…

  275. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    “You get to go sit beside Jesus and play harp duets with him.”
    We are not going there, the Kingdom of Heaven is coming here.
    http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/ffi/article.cfm?AID=92

  276. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    “…representative democracy is really nothing more than an agreement among and within society to live under the constraints of a common set of rules…when We allow a set”
    The Leaven of Herod – allowing those with a different set of rules to compromise ours. The reasons are immaterial. A compromised society is a dieing society, unless they repent { change mind }.

  277. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    “And God would smile.”
    You do not know Him.

  278. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    “What the F happened to our cities?”
    “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country. Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
    Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out. The Lord will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me.”
    Don’t ask the question if you don’t really want the answer.

  279. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    …She knows you…and just because you refuse to acknowledge Mother Earth does not mean you don t know Her…

  280. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    What is the old saying: We get the government we deserve? The simple and correct, but not-now- doable answer is to vote all the bastards out and replace them with honest people, as well as establish term limits.
    I don’t believe the people are stupid. I believe we, as a society, are suffering from a bad case of anomie brought on by rapid technological change. CFNers, being more contrarian and more aware than the average, know things are going to hell. But, we, too, are in a state of anomie, otherwise we would devote all our spare time trying to change the system – which IS changeable – instead of just complaining about it.

  281. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    i would submit that we, both here and in the world at large, are spending our time trying to survive…i see this and sites like it as a way to build a community of awareness and consensus, hopefully before it is too late…it would seem a no-brainer that getting The Lobby out of politics would go a long way towards making politics somewhat honest; but given the power of ca$h, that seems an unrealistic outcome since, just like a child, what they ve been allowed to get away with is now expected…and that all presupposes that a vote would be counted and adhered to- diebold, anyone?

  282. asoka. February 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    You know that something’s a national embarrassment to a country when, as the Daily Beast quotes: “There are no official statistics on emigration out of South Africa”. The brain drain from S. Africa is alarming.

    E., this is another racist slam against South Africa.
    I challenge you, E., to find official USA emigration statistics for U.S. born citizens (not foreign-born).
    The most recent document I found in a search of US Census Bureau publications is:
    Estimation of the Annual Emigration of U.S. Born Persons by Using Foreign Censuses and
    Selected Administrative Data: Circa 1980

    1980! This data is not readily available for any country, yet you slam South Africa as if emigration data should be readily available.
    You can easily find immigration data. You can easily find migration data. You can find foreign-born emigration data, but you cannot find U.S.-born emigration data.
    Your comment about South Africa is racist.
    You say lack of emigration statistics is a “national embarrassment” when the truth is no country has such data.
    You are becoming more racist by the day, E.
    I would say Vlad has been effective at recruiting CFNers to the white nationalist cause.

  283. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    “…and just because you refuse to acknowledge Mother Earth…”
    “The Lord will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods — wood and stone.”
    Now we are too smart to worship idols of wood and stone, now you worship the whole planet.

  284. mika. February 29, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    The Lord will bring you
    ==
    Quite an amazing achievement. Those that scribed that nonsense above were able to become one with the Lord’s mind and learn his exact plans for the future. And all without the use of electricity and electronics. MD, any idea what technology they used for this?

  285. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Good response Messi. And just like all Great Mother worship down throught history, she still demands blood sacrafice. Turk and Charlie have no problem with the murder of Whites in South Africa – it’s “natural”, inevitable, strangely appropriate even. It’s the human sacrafice demanded by their Mother. Buck too of course with his pantheon of Black Jazz Greats. So what if they want to kill Whites? It’s Jazz! For the aesthete, pleasure, as long as it’s refined, trumps all common human values.

  286. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    clay, sharp sticks, and fear…oh, and don t forget the bronze used for the swords…

  287. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

    …and it is no wonder at all that he knows the ‘mind of god’; as it says right there on the first page that god was created in the image of man…

  288. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Since we are talking about mendacity, does anyone remember the Jaffe Memo?
    http://cdn.abbyjohnson.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jaffememo.pdf

  289. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    “md, any idea what technology they used for this?”
    Eyes to see and ears to hear.

  290. mika. February 29, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    That’s right. They didn’t acquire the technology for making steel until very late in their conflict with Egyptian sponsored Greeks/Plishtim.

  291. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    That’s why the Founders called us a Republic – a Goverment of Laws not of Men. Democracies are dangerous – just a fancy way of saying mob rule. Who wants our rights to be subject to the whims of the majority? Or what we have now, the whims of the minorities enforced by corrupt judges?
    You are a follower of Rouseau who believed in the goodness of Man. Such things end up with lines in front of guillotines. Because someone has to be responsible for the evil – so it’s the other guy, the one who has a bit of money. In fact, the poor want to be the rich – they are not more virtuous at all. Often less in fact, since lack of money corrupts even more surely than having it. The American Elite have made masterful use of this desire for social mobility to keep the people in their place. Of course it helped that there was social mobility thoughout our history. Whether they can maintain the facade now that it’s basically over is another story.

  292. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    um, uh: http://informationclearinghouse.info/article30666.htm

  293. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    Davey Jones of the Monkeys has died. But what of the Herman’s Hermits?

  294. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    And people in beat up cars hold up pharmacies more. Chuckles, you’ve got to learn to think. I’m not endorsing our rich who are indeed quite selfish now. Money often does corrupt. As someone once said, “Money is the root of all evil.” To which Shaw quipped, “Lack of money is the root of all evil”. Both are right – the lust for money often leads to the lack of money for others. But laziness will also do it.

  295. rippedthunder February 29, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    “The Horror!” Seems like he did OK. Look at slide 11′
    http://www.abcactionnews.com/gallery/news/news_photo_gallery/remembering-davy-jones-of-the-monkees-knxv1330541079003

  296. k-dog February 29, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    GREYGHOST,
    Prices are always a bit higher here. In the news it was said that local prices were up thirty cents in two weeks due to a fire at the Cherry Point Refinery. We get 20% of the local supply from there they say.
    Whatever, I drive a thirty year old diesel powered Mercedes. I get 26 miles per gallon and I get diesel at $4.70 or therabouts per gallon now. On top of that I spend five bucks a tankful on fuel injector cleaner specific to diesel fuel injectors. If I don’t get it after three tankfuls I don’t go up hills. If I use up all my lizard juice it is about a hundred bucks to make it all good.
    I don’t drive any more than I have to and its been that way in k-dogs life for a long time now. I am very proud of my bicycle which I put together on a bare frame. There are parts on it from all over the world. I have a hub generator for the headlight.
    Cheap Gas in Seattle:

    • $3.75
    • $3.83
    • $3.89
    • $3.96
    • $3.99
    • $4.05
    • $4.09
    • $4.15
    • $4.17
    • $4.29

    ……………………..
    It is not enough to say we must not wage war. It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it.

  297. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    No it says the opposite: that Man was made in the image of God. It’s you Leftists who are trying to create your own Gods. As ever, you are a chuckle.

  298. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    “You do not know Him.”
    God’s right hand man chimes in to set the record straight – halleluiah! And what would CFN be without a scriptural lunatic preaching and a thumping from the back of the bus.

  299. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Stick to what you know Krandz – parroting the most disgusting, vile, racists you can find on the World Wide Web.
    Every letter you type culminates in an apex of incendiary racism. Which makes you the epic bore of the bonfire, year after year, month after month, week after week.

  300. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Vlad writes:
    “Now notice how Bucky Boy stopped talking about Miles Davis: he knows very well that Davis actually did say that horrible thing. But Buck just doesn’t care. Jazz is more important than White safety, dignity, or survival. The Aesthetic stage is ammoral at best.”
    I probably should just let your above statement stand alone like the Village Idiot in search of a clue, but I just can’t help myself.
    Jazz threatens “white safety”? Are you truly serious Vlad Krandz? Ever hear of Bill Evans, Vlad? How did he ever survive the racial violence of Miles Davis?
    I’m tempted to term you a blithering asshole, but statements such as what you wrote above read more like the disturbed delusions of the mentally ill.
    I’m going to have to side with Dale – speaking of “camps” – and conclude that you’re in need of therapy. As a result, and after this post, I will not be engaging you in any type of confrontational manner in the future. Of course, you might be perfectly sane and just a blithering asshole. But better to error on the side of caution and not risk aggravating a mental disorder from an anonymous poster.

  301. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    jackass! i know what is says, moron…and if you believe it, i got a bridge to sell you- cheap! think about it for a minute, rather than just swallow what you were told: who wrote the bible? men…who said that ‘god told me so’ now what would you think if a modern-day man told you that he was hearing voices from god? thassright! schizoid! so what makes it any less so that it happened 2000 years ago? really? so do us all a favor douche, and keep yer fackin’ scared-assed 85 (on your best day) IQ, duke-sucking face out of my conversations…if i wanna hear your tripe, i ll kick your goddamned dumpster over on its side so you can crawl out into the light of day, for a minute…mkay? jeezus…

  302. k-dog February 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm #

    ‘what would you think if a modern-day man told you that he was hearing voices from god?’
    I talk to her from time to time you know.
    Ignore mother nature at your peril.

  303. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    from a Bix Weir email:
    “Although the topic of this report may be stunning for those of you who are still asleep, the REAL revelation in what happened in this broadcast was not the exposure of Tim Geithner but rather what Shep Shepard gives up in a TOTAL MSM mental lapse at 3:40…
    “It’s clear that the banks run the country…the country doesn’t run itself.”
    If you think this is no big deal then think again. This is a HUGE webbot hit for Clif High as he’s been talking about someone in the Mainstream Media having a mental lapse and saying something that was actually TRUE. Not only that but others in the MSM pick up on it and continue the discussion. Admitting that “the banks run the country” is a huge whack to the hornets nest.
    BINGO and BRAVO Clif for anther hit on something that seemed to be completely random but will have a significant impact on the global consciousness moving into “March Madness”.
    Are you ready for it?”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QXO5bElqnqg

  304. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    “And what would CFN be without a scriptural lunatic preaching and a thumping from the back of the bus.”
    Your own threats of sodomy as punishment and delusions about the Creator’s sense of humour have assured your place here as well.

  305. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    K-dog- play along with me here: ask me what religion am i…

  306. ront February 29, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    I am a relatively new and occasional participant. I am curious, though, whether a week ever goes by without some argumentation around someone’s commentary that includes a reference to God?
    Let me offer a comment and suggestion that opinions and beliefs one holds concerning God’s existence or nonexistence are of no consequence. All that can really matter is in the realm of feelings and actual experience. The question, “Do you believe in God?” is way too popular, but in fact should not be bothered with at all.

  307. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    ‘I would say Vlad has been effective at recruiting CFNers to the white nationalist cause’
    Is that what free speech is about?
    Folks are for FS until someone says something they dont like!

  308. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    You are an ugly, evil hater of God – a true son of the French Revolution and the Communist Revolutions that it inspired.

  309. Eleuthero February 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Asoka said:
    E., this is another racist slam against South Africa.
    **********************************************************
    Once again, quotation of FACTS are racist. And once again like the highhanded, evil prick that you are, you demand that OTHERS find data when I gave you a Google search “crime in south africa after apartheid” where publications from both the Far Left, Far Right, and the middle all had the same message … there’s a brain drain of both white AND black people from S. Africa due to increasing danger in daily life.
    I’m not going to run around and put together some kind of spreadsheet for you, you mendacious ass. There are THOUSANDS of written pages on the web about this problem about which every part of the political spectrum agree.
    If you cannot deal with it psychologically, then take some meds or go over there and help out. Otherwise, I’ve got nothing to say to you. You are EVIL.
    E.

  310. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    You retreat? I take that as an admission of defeat. One more down.
    Notice he still hasn’t denied Miles Davis wanted to strangle a White person. I appreciate Buck’s core of honesty but unless he begins to honor it more, his sin is all the greater because conscious.
    Buck! Who else would tell you these things about yourself? None of your friends would dare. And maybe a therapist would after years and thousands of dollars. You owe me big time. I’m the best friend you have.

  311. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    You can join too Soak. Like Bigfoot, there have been reported sightings of Blacks in Nazi uniforms. I will salute you as an honory Aryan. Read Black Isis about the Negro Roots of all Euopean Culture. I mean if that’s true, why not? What else is not untrue? Perhaps the Nazi base in Antartica is manned by Blacks both from this world and nearby liberated planetary systems.

  312. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    By the same logic, you are criticizing Asoka’s right of free speech.

  313. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    “All that can really matter is in the realm of feelings and actual experience.”
    Well, look around. If you can’t see that what was foretold is coming to pass, as witnessed and attested by every poster on CFN, I don’t know what will convince you.

  314. Widespreadpanic7 February 29, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    That’s odd, just this morning on NPR I listened to a long, fawning, worshipful interview of Bishop Desmond Tutu. He didn’t mention anything at all about violence in South Africa. According to the Bishop everything is going swimmingly in that country.
    –WSP7

  315. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    denomination: Troutist congregation: Fly Fisherman
    what was likely man’s first prayer? please, food for my family…i have felt closer to anything that could be called god when i go fishing- and while i will eat largemouth bass, perch, or catfish, my favorite is rainbow trout…smallmouth bass have been WAY over-fished around here (middle tn) so we throw em back…caught a 14 incher on father’s day weekend, right in front of my pop & younger brother- quite an experience, lemme tell ya!!

  316. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    nhm

  317. mika. February 29, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Once again, quotation of FACTS are racist.
    ==
    But you haven’t presented any facts. So far all that you’ve presented are racist assertions. We’ve been eagerly waiting for you to back up your racist assertions with some facts and references, but nothing has been forthcoming. Personally, I’m still waiting for you to back up your assertion that “Jews are the most racist and the most inbred of all the races”. You can start with the FACT concerning Jews being a race.

  318. San Jose Mom 51 February 29, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    My grandfather loved to fish the mountain streams in Utah for trout. He tied his own flies, and taught me this skill. He fly-fished in waist-high waders when he was 90 years old. His brother (my great-uncle) fished in Idaho with Ernst Hemingway–both of them being in the Pulitzer prize winner’s circle.
    I’d love to take up trout fishing again!

  319. Dagny February 29, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    Oh, God help us. It’s all so true and all not so good.

  320. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Yes, a few more “victories” and CFN will be a racist echo chamber – you and a few of your teammates.
    But in the interest of your well-being take a look at the 2:05 mark of the below clip and ask yourself if Miles looks poised to strangle the white man in front of him:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDTS8cWI0o
    Come on Vlad, open your eyes and open your heart; Miles and the white man – Bill Evans- were a beautiful tandem of musical commraderie. That’s not hate on display; that’s love. And respect.

  321. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    In the Book of Revelations, it says that “there will be no more sea” – in other words, the astral plain will cease to exist for human beings and they wont “feel” anymore in the realm of emotion. You may not have meant this but you didn’t specify.

  322. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    ‘criticizing Asoka’s right of free speech.’
    No, I affirm free speech.
    [and will continue to mostly pass on reading his, and many other posts here. Its only day 3 of this thread and its already ‘been like a cat fight since day 1 or 2]

  323. DeeJones February 29, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    “CFT, direct referendums on critical issues, that would be a tough thing to pull off in a nation of 310 million people.
    –WSP7
    Gee, have you heard of this thing called the inter, um, something or other?
    Like, its sitting right in front of you. Oh, hell, whats it called? Net something, interweb….
    gee….

  324. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Ok, Lord Vlad, 1 Question.
    HOW MANY HISTORY AND PHILOSOPHY BOOKS HAVE YOU READ?
    At one point for about 5 years I was reading 100 or more books a year, But no History and all the Philosophy books were Eastern.
    Once again I scratch my head:
    ‘Read Black Isis about the Negro Roots of all European Culture’…..uh?????
    Who is Black Isis?

  325. DeeJones February 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Oh, and geez, Count Flacula has finally gone off the deep end (again) with all this dueling crap, and the hatred of Miles Davis, perhaps one of the greatest modern musician.
    wish he’d go away, isnt there some witey-pwr! board he can go and masturbate away on?
    Say, perhaps we can find him one…
    Dee

  326. mika. February 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
    – Frederic Bastiat, French writer and economist

  327. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    Hahahaha
    I am laughing at reading yr post.
    Yes the left [paid for by taxes for ‘public’ radio]
    keeps the myth[s] alive.
    Mandela was just hospitalized? yes?
    Didya know the Prez of NPR makes about half million $ a year?
    When you hear them asking for yr money think about that.

  328. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    ‘perhaps one of the greatest modern musician.’
    ?

  329. anti soak February 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    ‘Yes, a few more “victories” and CFN will be a racist echo chamber – you and a few of your teammates.’
    Will it? tre dramatique? eh Buck?

  330. ozone February 29, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Peeeeee-yeeeew….
    Speaking of mendacious fogs; it appears from the sheer volume of posts that a lot of that fog has been leaking from the laddie’s ass.
    RT, bring on that sweeter-smelling polecat to clear the stench!! whew

  331. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm #

    So what else is new? It’s all the racist bullshit that causes men of good will want to take on the haters. This is supposed to be a “surviving the peak everything era”.

  332. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    I’m greatly disappointed in E’s emergent racism/anti-semitism. I had hoped that being in an academic environment, and apparently of sound mind, that he would be an interesting poster. Since he has shown dislike for Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, women and college students – perhaps there’s more, but I can’t remember now – who’s left for him to like?
    Ah, well. In my experience, many of those who I thought were reasonable people weren’t, and many who I never believed could be kind, turned out to be.

  333. k-dog February 29, 2012 at 9:26 pm #

    Well damn CHARLIEFOXTROT if you don’t accept conventional religious belief what’s your religion exactly?

  334. progress2conserve February 29, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK, Thanks to you, as always.
    And it’s good to see you back mostly on energy issues – after a multi-week detour into economics.
    Energy drives economics, and it’s never the other way around. Let’s all, not forget that.
    You do know you inserted a huge contradiction into this week’s post, right, JHK?
    First we’ve got this:
    “….Hofmeister’s rap is based on one central fallacious idea: that American life can only continue if we keep all the cars and trucks running. Any other outcome is unthinkable, off the table. To put a finer point on it, he insists that our national identity and destiny are tied to “personal transportation,….”
    -jhk-
    You might want to remove the word “fallacious,” JHK – because, only a few paragraphs away, we have this:
    “…in retirement housing clusters in dismal places like Arizona and Florida, where not being able to drive is a virtual death sentence.”
    -jhk-
    Without oil and cars, lots of US residents are heading into a future of hardship and death. This is inevitable. It is as inevitable as the selfish, shortsighted, and hubristic forces that continue to pack the United States full of LEGAL immigrants – at the rate of 1 million per year.
    ========================
    By the way – this comment thread sux, these days.
    We’ve lost Lbend, Cash, Wage – and many other good thoughtful posters.
    We’ve retained asoka, who joyfully preaches la Reconquista, black ascendency, and death to whites, while Buck cheers him on.
    And we’ve got Mika/Met in full Jewish fury, bashing in Goy heads with his baseball bat, while Bill holds his coat and radiates his joyous Tribal admiration for the Tribal violence, oh-so-silently or sotto voce.
    Those four real beings – posting to an anonymous message board in a quiet backwater of the internet – symbolize the death of American egalitarianism. And they don’t even know it, yet.
    And they will never admit an error.

  335. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Ront, as you probably know, I am an atheist. Not bringing up whether or not god exists, is, on the surface, something I can agree with.
    If someone believes in God’s existence, it is fine with me. After all, who really knows? But in another sense, belief in God is inevitably tied to organized religion, in most cases. And to my mind, organized religion has been the great divider of mankind. And in a post-peak world, divisions lower the probability of human survival.
    So in that sense, I think discussion of God’s existence is relevant here.

  336. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    That kind of music is all about the coolness of casuality – real nothing stuff. Nothing there. I’ve heard that people I respect say that John Coltrane was very spiritual, but I couldn’t detect it from what little I heard. The limitation may be in me or maybe I need to hear more. I can feel the soulfull longing in certain horn solos – don’t know if they’d be called Jazz or Blues. And old fashioned big band Jazz I like -Louis Armstrong, Basie, etc.
    Evans was probably a “house Whitey” trying to win the approval of the Man – like you are always trying to do. Can you be cool enough to be considered Black in your soul? Keep tryin’ White Boy cuz you’s gots a ways to go!
    The great White Jazz Men were given a short shrift by Ken Burns – another House Whitey. My Peruvian Friend told me the real stuff is now mostly Latino. The Blacks have become stale copies of themselves.
    Here’s a White reviewer quoting Davis strangle quotation favorably – another House Whitey.
    http://eriklerouge.blogspot.com/2007/03/miles-davis-story.html

  337. Vlad Krandz February 29, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    I was a joke about Asoka’s belief that all White Culture was “stolen” (how do you do that? wouldn’t the original “owners” still know it?) from Blacks. Black Athena (not Isis) is the Classic in this genre.

  338. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    Ah, Procon, I think you are disappointed in me because I defended Mika, who you really don’t like. As I just posted above, in a post-peak everything world, everyone must stick together. To the degree that we fight each other over differences in how we see the world, our chances of survival are lowered.
    And when things get bad, who are the first people you look out for? Your family, right? Well, the Jewish people are like one big extended family, which is why I defended Mika. I called him a member of my tribe, but a more accurate description is that he is a member of my extended family.
    I don’t know if you can understand this family concept, but you should be able to. If you were to protect your family, does that mean you automatically don’t care for anyone else? Of course not. I never ever said I don’t care about non-Jews.
    Here’s a theoretical question for you: Let’s say your son or other family member was arrested for bashing somebody’s head with a baseball bat. Would you disown him or try to understand why he did it, and if you came to the decision that he really did it, would you not be there for him during his trial, even to the extent to contribute to the cost of his defense? I’m curious as to your answer. Would you say say, tough shit, son, you did it, now suffer the consequences?
    Even if some higher judge determined I was wrong in defending my own family, does that make me such a terrible person?
    Procon, despite what you have said in anger, I still believe you are not an anti-semite at heart. I think you have struggled against being prejudiced, in spite of, or maybe because of your local culture.
    You know, the devil is supposed to be a great seducer, and I worry you’re being seduced by bad people.
    So, in conclusion, I don’t think it’s worth it to be enemies over differences in how we see things.
    So, I think it’s not necessary for us to be

  339. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    denomination: Troutist congregation: Fly Fisherman i already posted a reply at 7:49 that is a bit more comprehensive…
    @SJ Mom: stick around long enough, and you might be glad for the skills…! i ve got some flies my pop tied, including some helgramites and a crawdad- technically not flies; but they re small enough to cast w/ my shakespear…and both reticulated, btw… #B b] (

  340. mika. February 29, 2012 at 10:07 pm #

    I think that with the exception of Vladik and perhaps “EL TORO”, we could all agree that this is as close as we’ll ever going come to god’s holiness on earth:
    Mahalia Jackson – The Lord’s Prayer
    http://youtu.be/PIuNadkH8Jo
    What an amazing performance!

  341. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    Very inspiring! Bravo!

  342. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    #%&!…yer cuttin’ me off! hear me out!
    i dunno why it didn t post all of my comment ^
    “(this is me, sticking my tongue out in your general direction)
    …because they are for all practical purposes one-off…

  343. progress2conserve February 29, 2012 at 10:20 pm #

    “I’m greatly disappointed in E’s emergent racism/anti-semitism.”
    -btb-
    Bill, you and Mika/Met didn’t leave E or me a whole lot of room for anything else – swinging that baseball bat of Tribal hate as you are.
    I’ve learned a lot from you lately, Bill – none of it good.
    You’ve lost a friend in me.
    I can assume that I’ve lost a friend in you,too.
    It’s a bad thing to lose a friend.
    It’s altogether worse to create an enemy.
    Which is what we’re both, mutually, in the process of doing.
    Life’s too short, man – for this kind of sh*t.
    ==========================
    And I just saw your 10:05 post, so here’s my answer. I understand family. But my tribal family is European White folks – just as yours is the Jewish family. You and Mika embrace like brothers on CFN – and you embrace Mika’s hate and violence.
    Yet you expect me to renounce Vlad’s hate and violence. I do renounce much of what Vlad says.
    But you want me to renounce it all.
    And you offer nothing in return.
    ——————————-
    James Howard Kuntsler named this Cluster Fuck Nation quite well.
    That is all.

  344. mika. February 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    It’s absolutely mesmerizing, isn’t it. I’ve watched it over a dozen times and I just can’t get enough. Wow!

  345. Pucker February 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    “Breaker 1-9! Breaker 1-9! This is ‘Peak Oil Pucker come’n at ya! ‘Obama Mama’s” got da ‘Bibi’ ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu ) on his back door and the Gas Jockey says Bibi may bite Iran this Fall so we there may be no Motion-Lotion? Come back….”

  346. progress2conserve February 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    “Your comment about South Africa is racist.”
    -asoka, as usual-
    Asoka is always so quick to use the nastiest epithet in his vocabulary – “RACIST” – to stop any discussion with which he disagrees.
    “I would say Vlad has been effective at recruiting CFNers to the white nationalist cause.”
    -asoka-
    Vlad has been a simple sounding board, upon which Mika, Metuselah, Bill of Boston, asoka, and BuckStud bounced their Racist Charges, while those of us with intelligence and discernment watched and learned who the real racists were.
    There is no choice.
    “You know, the devil is supposed to be a great seducer, and I worry you’re being seduced by bad people.” -beantownbill-
    Vlad did not seduce me, Bill.
    You did.

  347. mika. February 29, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

    But my tribal family is European White folks
    ==
    You should go to them. Before you lose them and they lose you. I’m serious, PC. These are not words of malice .

  348. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Just to demonstrate that I am capable of at least considering an alternative viewpoint- can you say the same? – I have posted a snippet from African-American Stanley Crouch’s blistering essay, ” The Sellout Of Miles Davis” which attacks the late musical aspects of his career. ( As grouchy as Crouch’s essay is, it is extremely well-written and anchored with a very astute technical/aesthetic understanding of jazz. I highly recommend it.)
    =======================
    Obsessed with remaining young, and therefore willing to follow any trend in pop music, Davis is now a surly sellout who wants his success to seem like a heroic battle against the white world.
    To that end, this former master of musical articulation often reduces himself to an inarticulate man. Davis has worn the mask of the street corner for too long; he thinks, like Pryor and Murphy and Lee, that his invective gives him authenticity. Gone is the elegant and exigent Afro-American authenticity of the likes of Ellington, at ease in the alleys as well as the palaces, replaced by youth culture vulgarity that vandalizes the sweep and substance of Afro-American life. The fall of Davis reflects perhaps the essential failure of contemporary Negro culture: its mock-democratic idea that the elite, too, should like it down in the gutter. Aristocracies of culture, however, come not from the acceptance of limitations, but from the struggle with them, as a group or individual, from within or without.” –Stanley Crouch

  349. progress2conserve February 29, 2012 at 10:41 pm #

    Thanks, Mika, for the advice without malice.
    And you are correct.

  350. messianicdruid February 29, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    “So in that sense, I think discussion of God’s existence is relevant here.”
    I left “organized religion” {by which I mean those that teach the commandments and doctrines of men} exactly because of the reasons you cite. They have made a mockery of the scriptures by their smorgasbord approach and simply changing the recipe for a viable society.
    We have a proliferation of VERSIONS of the bible and a famine of hearing the word of God. Ignorance of God’s will and plan is rampant, deceivers and nicolaitans persue their own agendas, and of course this is what the naysayers oppose. Can’t blame them.
    What if the word of God were a “self-authenticating text”?
    http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm

  351. Buck Stud February 29, 2012 at 10:50 pm #

    Prog WRITES:
    ” We’ve retained asoka, who joyfully preaches la Reconquista, black ascendency, and death to whites, while Buck cheers him on.”
    If you continue to lie, Prog, I’m going to have to call you a liar. Not a good start to your week here on CFN.

  352. mika. February 29, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    You’re welcome, PC. America is not a country. It never was. America is really a corporate plantation. The quicker you recognize and understand this and get away from it, the better it will be you and the rest of us elsewhere.

  353. progress2conserve February 29, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    Whatever, Buck. Maybe I’ve got you, asoka, and miles davis all confused, anyway. Jazz on, dude.
    “If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow”
    -Miles Davis as quoted in Jet (25 March 1985)-
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Race

  354. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm #

    Buck, I’m afraid we lost Procon and E to the dark side (of racism and hate). I’ve always thought you as reasonable and independent. Sorry that the haters are labeling you like they do, when all you want is to be fair.
    Maybe you shouldn’t castigate Vlad when he spouts off; after all, he’s just a sounding board.

  355. BeantownBill February 29, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Getting back on-subject, here is a link to help explain space-based solar power (SBSP):
    http://www.nss.org/settlement/ssp/index.htm

  356. charliefoxtrot February 29, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    man, this is interesting, in an anthropological, witnessing the genesis of human interactions within a microcosm, with the whole trying not to take sides dynamic thrown in for flavor! so, to make sure i got this straight (and would all parties please forgive me if i miss anything or have misunderstood- it has been a week, and this is without spending the time to go back and look at the relevant posts)- mika threatened violence, prog didn t like that, bill didn t like prog not liking that, prog didn t like bill not liking prog not liking that; various charges of semitism and anti-semitism were sprinkled in the usual directions, all ending in a stalemate…of sorts if not entirely accurate, does that sum things up well enough for a clusterfuck?

  357. JonathanSS February 29, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    I’m afraid we’re losing many people to hate and anger. The country preaches “exceptionalism”. So, when the “American Dream” seems out of reach, or the country appears to be on the wrong track, some are quick to point fingers at anybody who does not think, act, look, etc., like them. The blame game.
    I’m not sure why America is so exceptional. Exceptionally fat, exceptionally materialistic, exceptionally good at building a military machine, exceptionally excessive in using pain meds., exceptionally energy wasting? I’m disgusted when I watch some home show on TV and the young couple buying their first home says, “Oh, I would never consider a kitchen that doesn’t have granite counters and stainless appliances”.
    Some elderly (not all), think the past (when they were in their prime) was “the best” and that current conditions suck for one or more reasons and they are yearning for how they felt, and the times, of their youth. The rose colored glasses metaphor. The only thing that is constant, is change. And change is not necessarily better or worse, just different.
    I admit, it is difficult to maintain optimism given the current state of the country. We’re debating birth control access? Arguing about the XL pipeline? Questioning alternate energy approaches because they don’t constitute a large enough portion of our usage? Embracing so called leaders who tell us what we want to hear?
    In sum, I thought this blog had much more substance to it several years ago, with much greater insights. Does it’s current state mean we are that much closer to TSHTF?

  358. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    That is the kindest thing ever said about me on this site. That is all I ever wanted – for people to observe and learn. Whites are the least racist people on Earth – and everyone else plans to use our guilt complex against us.
    In another time, in a healthier culture, and as a healthier man, I might have been a teacher. As it is, I teach here my narrow but all important lesson about self love. Now take the new eyes you have gained and look everywhere – you’ll be amazed, amazed at how Whites are seen and what the Elite have planned for us. Yes, the White Elite as well as the Jewish. They are as one in this. Check out the Jewish Conspiracy Writer Henry Makow – he can show you the macrocosm of all this. As he says, “America is under Occult Attack”.

  359. anti soak March 1, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    On stupid NPR theres a show called ‘Connect the Dots’.
    I will attempt to do so.
    dot 1….peak oil
    dot 2….peak everything
    dot 3….Big threat to USA, Immigration.
    dot 4….those who call others ‘racist’ who oppose immigration.

  360. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:19 am #

    Yes, when the tribal aristocrat Mandela came to America, he hung out with the Kennedy’s and such and seemed ill at ease with the Blacks and their vulgar reactionary ways.
    And from bad to worse, rap was born and distributed far and wide by the new media outlets – smearing all of America and beyond with its disease.

  361. Pucker March 1, 2012 at 12:20 am #

    What do you think about this bloke’s idea of using the energy generated by composted organic matter to heat one’s house, water, and green house? Thanks.
    http://mb-soft.com/public3/globalzc.html

  362. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    As far as I’m concerned, I would be very happy if a racist/anti-semitic post never again appeared on CFN. I’d much rather talk about our future, as well as the significance of some current events. For some of this, see my recent post of 11:33, in which I provide a link to a site about space-based solar power. I think this is so much more relevant than all the bullshit now on CFN.
    For me, unfortunately, I feel I must respond to anti-semitic posts; I’ve been the victim of this when I was young, and I can’t, in good conscience let it pass. What I’d like to see is the haters go away to some other site so I could just concentrate on true CFN issues. But CFN has been infected with this prejudiced stuff for a long time, and little by little other haters are either coming on board or displaying their true colors.
    It’s a shame, because CFN’s true purpose is very relevant to how people will live their lives in the near future. I try to maintain a positive attitude, and hopefully I’ll have the time to post on-topic comments. Please don’t give up on CFN just yet.

  363. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    I read part of the article, but it is too long at this time of night for me to read it in it’s entirety. Given our energy issues, anything that claims to be green and less oil-dependent is worth studying. I think this kind of a system needs to be put to a test under laboratory conditions. I don’t know if the author’s figures are accurate. I think the ideal person to give an opinion is Tripp. Still, everything else being equal, it could be worth a shot looking into it.

  364. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 12:48 am #

    I happen to think immigration should be limited until a lot of our issues here in America are resolved, particularly our economic ones, and I’m not racist. If anyone’s anti-immigration, and doesn’t appear racist with regard to all their comments on other subjects, I’m fine with that.

  365. Pucker March 1, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    Below is a link to the recently-released World Bank report entitled “China 2030: Building a Modern, Harmonious, and Creative High Income Society”. The Report says that China plans to create a “high-income” society in 20 years.
    I guess that they haven’t heard about “Peak Oil” and limits to growth? I don’t know what they’re smoking over there at the World Bank and the Chinese State Development Research Center, but it must be some strong stuff?
    http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/2012/02/27/china-2030-executive-summary

  366. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    Check out ABC’s new show, “Good Christian Bitches”. You will be very proud of your Brothers after you watch this.
    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/jewishabcairsgcb.html

  367. IxNoMor March 1, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Wake up, wake up *TRISTAN*!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhZmL3m_7GY
    Andreas and Gilkyson, *UNITED*/././…

  368. Pucker March 1, 2012 at 12:57 am #

    When I was a kid I used to receive in the mail regularly a hobby science catalogue. One item featured in one issue of the catalogue was some bloke’s design for a home heating system based around a compost pile. It included a photograph of this a huge pile of debris with a pipe stinking out of it and connected to the bloke’s house.
    Several months later, I made my own pet project compost pile. One day during the dead of Winter, I inserted my bare arm into the muck of the compost pile, and I was surprised at how warm it was. Almost hot….

  369. IxNoMor March 1, 2012 at 12:59 am #

    LOL, around the bend – I get it!!! See if you’re not *interested*… The math is *CONFOUNDING*/./

  370. IxNoMor March 1, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    She moves across the water…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIXCxaIbWkg
    Sailor take *WARNING*!!!

  371. IxNoMor March 1, 2012 at 1:08 am #

    Eliza *TALKS*:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuL2KjR9Bw
    Gilkyson, *ANYONE*?!?

  372. IxNoMor March 1, 2012 at 1:21 am #

    I’m *freezing* cold…

  373. k-dog March 1, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    A troutist you say!!!!!!!
    Then I bet you say ‘Holy Mackerel‘ when you swear an oath.

  374. Eleuthero March 1, 2012 at 3:22 am #

    Vlad said:
    Check out ABC’s new show, “Good Christian Bitches”. You will be very proud of your Brothers after you watch this.
    ***********************************************************
    Of course the linkage of the words “Christian” and “Bitch” imply a “go-together”. Can you imagine if a producer even TRIED to get a TV show aired called “Good Jewish Yentas of Manhattan”? It would never get past a messy desk in Hollywood.
    Even the world “Good” in the title of the show is obviously dripping with sarcasm as the “Bitch” suffix intends.
    This shit is getting my dander up more and more. If Darren Star had one iota of integrity he would never have the gall to issue such an ethnic slur. Even if he was a Christian, the title is in horrible taste. Of course, in “Sex and the City”, it’s perfectly okay for the “Charlotte” character to have to go through hell to convert to Judaism so that she could marry the Jewish lawyer. When has any TV character gone through a kind of “baptism by fire” to convert to Protestantism or even Catholicism (which is a tad more complex but not much)?
    “Sex in the City” is a horrible show which lionizes the values pilloried in “Bonfire of the Vanities” (vainness, celeb worship, money mongering, superficial criteria for bonding with men, worship of fag hags, etc. etc.). However, I strongly advise men who have not seen it to view it as a barometer of how we became a superficial nation in the late 1990s … and how we’ve never recovered.
    E.

  375. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 3:26 am #

    Scientology has the Tech we need to save ourselves. Men of all races are welcome to come and chain themselves to nonsense. Who needs food if you have emeters?

  376. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 3:31 am #

    Why is there no term like say, Anti-Gentilism? Or why doesn’t racism apply when Whites are the victims as opposed to the perps?

  377. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 5:50 am #

    i feel anti-fladism, as you know and would prefer not to be dragged into a “debate” on a subject that, to me, has zero merit by its very premise…whether your group or his, or hers…and you should well have gathered that my opinion of your intelligence is most unfavorable, and is not going to change under any circumstrance- have you heard the expression, ‘two wrongs don t make a right’? well, you and your attitude are both wrong; so please you will shut the fuck up and quit bothering me…

  378. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 6:01 am #

    ha, germany is funding a deep-sea trawler to mine sulpher vents for gold, zinc, and manganese…oil exploration was mentioned, as well…holy mackerel!! jules verne is cited as inspiration, because he said the minerals ‘lay about on the sea floor’…

  379. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 8:20 am #

    bill, how about you- did you check this out: solar ? i thought it looked at least promising enough to be worth study…i ve linked a few times since i ran accross the article; with zero feedback from anyone here at what is supposed to be a peak resources discussion…guess everyone is too concerned with things we can t change about each other, ie color & faith…anyway, please read it and tell me what you think…

  380. ozone March 1, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    Charlie,
    Pretty cool stuff! ;o)
    And Pucker’s reference to composting heat is interesting, but I’m not certain how dependable it might be. (Seems a bit “fiddly”.) However, for a small abode in the “mid-states” where it doesn’t usually get bitterly cold, it could be most helpful.
    I think we should keep in mind that these concepts are not scalable to massive grid production, but are fine for single homes.
    F’rinstance, Cornell has a lowdown pdf on firewood.
    Their guesstimate is 12-15 woodlot acres to provide 4-5 cords/year for the “average” home.
    Think about [current] population concentration and viable areas of forest “production”. Not a pretty picture for making a commodity out of yer woods. So taking a sober look is always is order for a mixed bag of energy and comfort supplies.

  381. ozone March 1, 2012 at 9:06 am #

    Oopsie,
    Here be the link:
    http://www2.dnr.cornell.edu/ext/info/pubs/FC%20factsheets/FCFSfirewood.pdf
    ***********
    ********
    *****

  382. ozone March 1, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    Faaaaar out, Man! ;o)
    (Fun stuff, very creative melodic meanderings. Where does he get the huge volume of melodies FROM? Ha! It’s the cosmic funnel on top o’ his head! ;o)
    Reminds me a little of the Paul Winter Consort. …Mostly in ensemble size, I’d guess.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Df3a3dfWQ
    (A Ralph Towner tune.)

  383. mika. March 1, 2012 at 9:24 am #

    Charlie,
    I think the hybrid thermal solar systems, which is the system you have linked, is the way to go, because these are the simplest most efficient most cost effective systems. (http://www.zenithsolar.com)
    The simpler the system the better.

  384. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    yeah, k.i.s.s….when i was a kid we had a passive solar water heater built into the roof that was basically black painted copper in a reflector bed- in 1978- and it got fucking HOT…it was a back-up to the gas heater when the sun wasn t out, but most days, the sun did the work…i still don t see why a combination of all of the different free & renewable power supplies (river & air turbines, tidal generators, passive solar & photovoltaics, geothermal, etc) haven t already been put in place…the only argument i have ever heard is that it would be too expensive to put in place & maintain, but if one considers how many trillions or even, what, quadrillions? have been spent in this country alone on worthless and destructive shit, it seems, at least to me, criminal not to have…it reaches the point in my mind of almost a parallel world, and not the good one, that we live in today…if you take into account the wars in the middle east, and the resultant ill-will for us alone, the consequences are unrecognizable…

  385. tegmark March 1, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    Service Economy Hell
    The fact that clear Input -> Manipulation -> Output kinds of tasks are becoming obsolete, not necessary anymore (since computers and automation and many other pieces of the large and complex machine the Technological Economy is slowing creating is rendering real work and labor obsolete, not needed, an optional), is empowering pure power relationships, pure status challenges, everything becomes personal, everything becomes a fight, a win or lose game, nothing needs to be produced anymore, everything is irrelevant, everything can be produced many times over efficiently and automatically and is actually produced much less than the system capacity could perform given that this economical system is all about Excess Capacity, subjectivity and the Free Will become king in this environment, there are no longer any real structural constraints for labor and jobs, so now anything goes, anyone can be the boss of anything and express their pure free will and power trips, everything is judgeable arbitrarily, nothing is “objective” anymore, everything is subjective, everything is personal now, is a choice, is a decision, a quirk decision being made by anyone for no reason at all, but just because, because that person is endowed with a certain power in a power structured organization of society.
    Of course, the profit motive is king, but what convinces someone of buying something is no longer based on needs but on what is fashionable, cool or what is hot at the moment, no more necessities here, now it is all fun and games and trying to guess the right game to play and how and with whom to play it, etc.
    And the more the system becomes automatic and work becomes less and less necessary and optional, the more power random people will have just because, for no reason at all. So they can decide that any task is needed (but just for fun, not because of necessities) and the next day declare that task not needed anymore just to change ideas and their mind over and over again and again, in a never ending race trying to guess the next fashion, the next activities that can make someone buy them.
    This is really what is all behind the “Innovation Myth” and “Startup Myth” and “More Education Myth” and “More Competition Myth”: it is just a proxy to say SINCE REAL WORK AND LABOR IS NO LONGER NECESSARY AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE MY MIND IN A JIFFY AND JUDGE ANY TASK, PERSON OR PRODUCT OR ANYTHING AT ALL ONLY ACCORDING TO MY PURE SUBJECTIVITY AND MY PURE WILL POWER AND MOST OF ALL THANKS TO THE POWER I HAVE WITHIN A TEMPORARY AND ARBITRARY POWER STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION, I NEED AS FLEXIBLE AND SUBDUED WORKING ENVIRONMENT AND WORKERS AS POSSIBLE. THEY MUST ALWAYS FEEL LESS THAN THE TASK AT HAND, ALWAYS GUILTY OF NOT BEING INNOVATIVE, COMPETITIVE OR EDUCATED ENOUGH SO I CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER I PLEASE, AMEN.
    What is behind it all is the fact that production and manufacturing and clear cut activities are no longer needed so now you have to invent some new tasks, something new that is needed, but the need is not tied into any kind of necessity so then what is invented, how people interact accordingly, how the power structure and choices and decisions are made, how pure subjectivity and judgments without any justification needed become king and the only game in town provokes, in a subtle way, ever more conflicts, ever more fights, ever more enemies, ever more debates and politics and instabilities and changes, chaos, turbulence, random events and conflicts and changes, etc. And this all creates, in a subtle way, higher costs of doing business, higher costs in general, just look at Education and Health Care, the two kings of the Service Economy how costly and debatable and how many power struggles and conflicts and etc. are performed within these two areas.
    But then again, maybe this is all normal, the way things have always been, our real reference system is the fight, the conflict, the reciprocal will power exchange and challenge and status game, nay, our language and interaction is defined by the conflict, the potential conflict, the potential contradiction someone or something or any event may oppose us. We are looking for opposition always (looking for problems always (or creating them or imaging them or simply making them up), we love problems even though we “hate them” so contradictory, problems define us, but we don’t want them, we want to be on top of what defines us, but we are defined only when we are under the problem forcing us to act, the independence of the problems, the random events that are totally independent from us), we are always looking for a challenge in order to win and overcome the other side, the enemy side, all of our thoughts and concepts (all of our words and language and thought paths and processes) are just weapons fighting against all of these imaginary enemies in the form of structures, other people, organizations, politics, fairy tale economic models and fake necessities, etc.
    In a sense, the content (of a fight or even message) is irrelevant (or is just and excuse), what counts is the fight and the win or lose, the confrontation, the conflict.
    So the real solution is to hose the Man Brain, design a new one, change all of the neural circuits, abandon this Ape Like Man Brain which is a remnant of the Stone Age.
    Of course the above ideology and theory and interpretation assumes that the real constraints and forces operating within our present economic system are not Resource Scarcities (such as too many people or oil running out, land and food running out, etc.) but mostly cultural, psychological and organizational.

  386. tegmark March 1, 2012 at 10:03 am #

    Is Reality Physics – Mathematics ?
    The unreasonable precision with which mathematics describes reality has always puzzled physicists. The reason is most likely because the reality described is not really a reality and is much more so a Technology: an invention, mostly a machine, as most of those equations and interactions and experiments and laws have been furnished by how machines and devices interact with some kind of detached reality, a reality that is in essence pretty far away from nature, if with nature you mean the pure random blind forces operating under nature like inside stars (plasmas), the forces modeling the earth (earthquakes, mountain formation), the weather and most of the random natural events that occur like ocean waves and their exact form and design (can you predict them with mathematical precision ?). Of course we know and can apply mathematics to all of such, we know the general forces and such, but the precision is no longer “unreasonable”.
    So what scientists do is confuse technology with nature, confuse a mathematical model and description and design of technological machines with nature, as if the technology is nature: but it is not so, technology is a very specifically configured slab of matter that closely follows and abides to mental, linguistic and especially mathematical models: what came first the technological machine and interaction or the mental mathematical model ? Mostly the other way around, the mental mathematical models influenced what kinds of contraptions we would design according to clear cut needs and functions according to how we interact with reality.
    SO in essence, there is no “unreasonable precision” of mathematics to reality, but only a mostly reasonable precision of mathematics to machines that interact with reality and confuses us into thinking that they are reality. Like a particle accelerator: are they simply studying an engineered device or really studying the laws of physics ?
    Matter is set up so as to express mathematical relationships, so as to emphasize mathematical relationships. Our mathematical models are more than anything mostly machines, mental models of machines that are providing us a function and as such easily lend themselves to models and especially mathematical models. Since the functions and operations the machines must provide have been defined and created within a mental model of reality through language, they already, from the outset have properties that imply models and eventually mathematical, precision models, models where you can apply equations and predictions and perfect them accordingly, but because the function is clearly defined and clearly delimited by language and the model and then mathematical models further delimit and perfect them: and then machines are designed and constructed and experimented within a very controlled and predictable environment, no free wills opposing their forces to what the machines must do, no random forces and quirk details messing up models like what happens in most of real natural systems and not modelized and forced systems carving their function out of reality, by force.
    At what point does a technology become a science ? at what point do we confuse a technology with science ? When did computer become “Computer Science” so to say, and is it a Natural Science ? If so then why isn’t the game of Chess also simply a Natural Science ? and then why not Soccer or American Football a science ? a real science ? In this respect, we are not the “View from Nowhere” that science supposes it has, we are always the view from somewhere, from someplace, from some cultural or experience reference system, from some language construct, thought construct and memory organization of knowledge implied by a culture, civilization, tribe.
    The discrepancies: the three body problem has no analytical solution (no precise solution in mathematical terms), the differential equations describing mathematical physics have very rarely precise, closed form analytical solutions, initial conditions must be imposed but are always iffy, random, not sure and not precise, non linearities abound, chaotic systems discovered, the butterfly effect ? and mostly look around you, can you give me the equation and precise solution that determined a given design of a given mountain ? can you precisely predict the exact shape of the next waveform of an ocean wave ? can you tell me exactly where the next raindrop will fall ? (but then again nature operates by simply yes and no and some intermediate state, it doesn’t need precision, it doesn’t care about precision, nature is very approximate, likes to make rough approximations like it will rain today or it will not, it doesn’t even know or have within itself the precise capability to know, care or even imagine where the exact next raindrop will fall, it knows it only after the fact, nay, not even after the fact, not even history is true, nay, it doesn’t and will never know, nothing will ever know, not even knowing itself knows…). These are all the walls of the reference system science is boxed up in, its perfect mathematical viewpoint breaks down as soon as you exit its reference system: in that case only the interaction and measurement and observation gives you some information, but information that rarely can be built upon to create a prediction as in : Thought is the Sickness, Measurements and Observations are the Cure.
    When I saw the first pictures of the neural circuits in brains, I was amazed by how random, chaotic and non sensical it seemed, since I was used to digital electronics and Microprocessor Schematics. Now, I know that reality has no sense or logic, only that which we impose upon it by our thought, logic and our own schematics.
    So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don’t notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imagined up to now…

  387. tegmark March 1, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178178
    From:
    To enter use: (the Rant House of ilp)
    user. spider9629
    password: magnoliaM1
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=177939

  388. tegmark March 1, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    Also check out:
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.com/
    Ok, so it no longer belongs in the Rant House, ok, it is ok now. Thank You. You’re Welcome.

  389. mika. March 1, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    You have it exactly right, Charlie. The gov mafia has been subsiding and enforcing the old monopolies and has deliberately suffocated all efforts to move away from the bankers’ imperialist welfare/warfare model. The only way to change this is to in-turn suffocate the gov mafia by neutralizing its sources of power. We need to stop using their system. Stop using their banks, stop using their money, stop paying them tribute, stop supporting their criminal military and thuggish police forces, stop listening to their propaganda organs, stop voting for their political puppets, stop buying their cars, stop living in places that force us to use their cars, and avoid as much as possible buying stuff from the big corporations.

  390. mika. March 1, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    subsiding -> subsidizing

  391. Rhino March 1, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    Part of American Exceptionalism is in thinking that the country and the people are exceptionally bad. Orwell said that England is the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their won nationality. Maybe during Orwell’s life American intellectuals and Americans in general hadn’t discovered the thrill of national self loathing. But you see it all the time now and very often on this blog.
    I think part of this thinking that the US is so exceptionally bad stems from a lack of knowledge of the world outside US borders even given the millions of man years of international experience Americans have had during the years of WW2, the Cold War, Vietnam, the Korean War not to mention in the day to day running of their own multi-national business enterprises. Maybe part of this lack of knowledge comes from the abysmal state of American education.
    I think that Americans that take this exceptionally negative view of their own country need to be more realistic about their own behavior and about the behavior of others. And I think that Americans need to learn more about the outside world and about history.
    But I think part of the problem comes from the dictates of leftist ideology. Ever eager to point the finger of blame at the US, these people studiously avoid looking at the actions of other actors in the world. Leftists/liberals like to crow that right wingers ignore evidence and reality in favor of ideology. I would say the same is true of leftists/liberals.

  392. Widespreadpanic7 March 1, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Hey Tegmark/old6699, are you thinking that shit up all by yourself? You’re putting a lot of effort into something nobody reads and makes you sound like a f—-g lunatic! Why bother?
    –yours truly,
    WSP7

  393. ront March 1, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Well stated, Bill. The ironic thing is that religion at its core proclaim the Oneness of all. Instead of seeking to incorporate this message into day to day living and growing in a living faith, the minds of man tend to limit the message it simplistic conclusions that uphold their unique set of personal desires while ignoring that which challenges them to change.
    The religion is like a signpost pointing the way. Unless one takes the trouble of going, little benefit can accrue. Instead man gets himself identified with a sign adherent or a sign rejector and argues the merits of the sign.
    It is a daunting task to untangle the inner conflicts and open one’s self to experiencing the infinite, eternal Truth within. It sure ain’t popular, comfortable, or convenient.
    “The knowledge of truth as gained through the established creeds is like the knowledge of a town which one gets by studying it on a map. To see and know the town, one has to take the troubled of actually going there.” -Meher Baba

  394. Widespreadpanic7 March 1, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    Turns out John Corzine WILL NOT be prosecuted. That’s a shocker!
    –WSP7

  395. Rhino March 1, 2012 at 11:10 am #

    I agree. There’s no point taking in people from outside if there aren’t the jobs for them. For all the blather about immigrants contributing I can tell you from personal experience and observation that the vast majority of immigrants move from their home countries to look for work.
    No point importing millions of people while at the same time exporting millions of jobs. It’s not in the interest of the immigrant that’s incurring a lot of expense and risk to make a new start and not in the interest of people already resident.
    At this time large scale immigration is (in the short term at least) in the interest of people in the top tier of the economy and society because it acts to depress wage rates.
    And immigrating is really hard. It’s really hard to learn a new language and become proficient and literate in it, learn new customs, develop a track record with respect to employment, make new friends and connections. Making a new life is an exhausting process that takes years.

  396. mika. March 1, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Rhino,
    There is no left and right. It’s a gamed political game. You need to understand this. It’s all fake theater. What there is, is more government more centralization and more control.

  397. anti soak March 1, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    Well I agree with half yr statement:
    ‘here’s no point taking in people from outside’
    No point atall!
    People destroy the biosphere.
    We had a wonderful country when it was 150-200
    million. 9% minority.
    No multi cult.
    No PC.
    Mostly middle class [ah I mentioned the economy].

  398. Buck Stud March 1, 2012 at 11:59 am #

    Thanks Bill, and I’m afraid you’re correct, or at least as it pertains to Prog and Vlad. I hesitate to include E because his overall cultural criticisms, from dating services, financial chicanery,obnoxious sport antics, Palo Alto yuppies, the current GOP party, and other laments which I have surely forgotten, feel holistic and consistent. Simply put, he seems very disturbed by the entire culture which is something I can relate to.

  399. ozone March 1, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    The consequential “chickens coming home to roost”.
    Now, that would be mendacity, closely coupled with venality, thickly slathered in a coating of unslakable greed.
    It all leads to: Fun times ahead!
    Perhaps we should start/get used to the contraction on our own, eh? (Since the vast majority don’t seem to be going in that direction.)

  400. Widespreadpanic7 March 1, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    I suppose now we’ll never find out what happened to the $65 billion Corzine was responsible for. That’s last years news anyway. Who cares now? In ’08 he was Obama’s best fundraiser (those unmatchable Wall Street connections) and one of his largest donors. In this next election he’ll most likely take on a more low-key role, probably remain in the background while still doing the good work for the Party.
    –WSP7

  401. Widespreadpanic7 March 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Hey Anti-soak, did you say you’re in California? You’ve made some pretty interesting posts on the political situation out there. I’m reading this book about the Gold Rush days in the San Francisco-Sacramento area. Needless to say, that place has been crazy, wild and f—-d up from day 1. Not just now.
    –WSP7

  402. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    Oneness of all? Come again? So since we are One with India, they have the right to come here and take all our jobs? Borders are to a Nation what skin is to an organism – necessary. Why do you want to skin America? Good borders make good neighbors and good skin makes for good health and beauty. Without skin, you would die of infection and be a very ugly corpse. America is dying in exactly this way.
    Eastern Relgion and Jewish Messianic desire to repair the World (tikkun olam) are a very unwholsome combination. Tikun Olam is just Tyranny – just as Communism was and is. Where does Baba say the Jews have the right to rule the world?

  403. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Yes California was a Paradise but the Mexicans have turned it into hell realm.
    What the difference between Point Loma and Loma Linda?
    Did you ever get to Ojai and sit with Krishnamurti? What was your personal impression of him?
    What is the signifcance of Grass Valley?

  404. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    So you believe in the abiotic theory of oil?

  405. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Some good signs: Wyoming is looking into surviving the collapse of America – raising its own army, energy sources etc.
    Virginia has just voted in a non-cooperation measure against the NDAA.
    http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/29/ndaa-nullification-passes-virginia-senate-by-a-veto-proof-39-1-vote/

  406. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Why is it a shocker? The man is a saint. A wonderful human being. He had the opportunity to steal hundreds upon hundreds of billions, yet he only took a mere $65 bil. And probably just to cover his expenses in dealing at a benighted level with our honest, open, hard-working politicians. Why would anyone want to prosecute this warm, humble person? Indeed.

  407. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    I can see where you’d give E a pass, but something must be wrong with someone who can’t see one good thing about our culture.

  408. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Man is both good and evil. I think most (but not all) people like to think of themselves as the good guy – at least I know I do. Because of this, it becomes very difficult for people to look inside to learn about themselves. It is terrifying to learn about the evil part; it undermines one’s self-image, which is the bedrock to which our self is tied to reality. Hence, many of us turn away from introspection – it is too frightening. It is a lot easier to accept we have a bad part if a higher power (the ultimate authority) tells us that it is part of our nature, but I ( God) still can forgive you. The truth, very hard-won, is that we need to forgive ourselves first.
    If people could examine themselves realistically and forgive themselves, then religion would be a lot less necessary.

  409. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    I rejected Bustin’s idea of free salaries when he brought it up. But I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately, and I’ve come to the conclusion that why I rejected the idea is because it would require a paradigm shift on my part, and paradigm shifts almost always initially meet resistance. The old ways became entrenched because they worked – at least until some point.
    I’ve been talking about rapid change and what it means, for a long time. I’m now thinking that if the future unfolds as it has been, and our civilization survives mostly intact (not a sure thing by any means), then technology will eliminate the need for a high percentage of current jobs. I’m not so sure that cheap labor by outsourcing and immigration are the only driving forces contributing to high unemployment. Maybe our society, driven by technology, no longer needs such a high percentage of employment. Maybe part of the problem is that our economy is operating under the old paradigm, when it really needs to start changing to fit the times.
    Ok, doesn’t this sound perilously close to what Old/Tegmark has been saying? It does, to me. Part of his problem is that he doesn’t know how to express himself clearly and concisely, so nobody pays much attention to what he says. But while I was ruminating on the subjectt, I scrolled down to his last posts, and dang, I understood what he was attempting to show, and I agreed with him! Either I’m losing my mind, or it’s just a matter of putting in the effort to try to understand him, or maybe he is just a tad more lucid than normal. Sorry, Marlin.

  410. Bustin J March 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    Rhinoplasty says “I think that Americans that take this exceptionally negative view of their own country need to be more realistic about their own behavior and about the behavior of others. And I think that Americans need to learn more about the outside world and about history. ”
    Dr. Feelgood’s prescription doesn’t hold water. North American history is much larger in scope and finer in detail than the events since WWII or even the first stabs at internationalism. And it is impossible to understand America without including all of its history.
    The generic “Leftist/liberal” is a creature of your own mind. The average person who identifies with either or both labels that happens to hold a dim view of US society, politics, or policy is just another asshole with an opinion, not a patient in need of prescription.
    You seem to want morale to improve without a cessation of beating. And I feel that, in the midst of plutocratic rule and economic depression, this is what your prescription amounts to.

  411. xhalor March 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    Ya know I just can’t decide if this is more proof that we are slowly but surely creating the thing that will replace us …OR…if this isn’t simply the Greatest Waste of Time …EVER.
    http://bcove.me/5livpgqo

  412. messianicdruid March 1, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    “Hence, many of us turn away from introspection – it is too frightening.”
    If we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
    http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/Chapter.cfm?CID=14

  413. Bustin J March 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    Puck3r says “‘China 2030: Building a Modern, Harmonious, and Creative High Income Society’. The Report says that China plans to create a “high-income” society in 20 years.
    I guess that they haven’t heard about “Peak Oil” and limits to growth?”
    Take a look at China’s stats in the CIA world factbook: their emerging economy is going to quickly be the largest in the world, and it breaks down fairly evenly between agriculture, industry, and service sectors.
    Peak Oil? Who gives a fuck when you have some of the world’s largest coal reserves. China is not a waffling democracy. They can simply mandate things.
    The World Bank looks at China with a sober assessment. A country with that kind of diverse workforce, resource base, regional power, and economic might has a certain inertia that will carry it forward all the way to 2030.
    Being partially undeveloped is a godsend. Unlike the USA, they are not completely strangled by infrastructure in-place and depreciating. True, they began the project, but, if circumstances force their hand, they are ready to go with alternatives.
    They are not completely full of shit which also helps. They “believe” in global warming- to the extent that they acknowledge the problem publicly and without apology, and have spared no expense building a alt-energy industry.
    Peak Oil and its mandatory lifestyle adjustments can be shouldered by a populace who aren’t going to be demoralized by the loss of their daytime soap opera lives, because they don’t have that- they live in ramshackle quarters that have stood for several hundred years and have dirt floors.
    The Chinese are a hard, gritty, practical people.
    So, I don’t think Peak Oil will hurt them so much.
    O3 says “F’rinstance, Cornell has a lowdown pdf on firewood.
    Their guesstimate is 12-15 woodlot acres to provide 4-5 cords/year for the “average” home.
    Think about [current] population concentration and viable areas of forest “production”. Not a pretty picture for making a commodity out of yer woods. So taking a sober look is always is order for a mixed bag of energy and comfort supplies.”
    Burning wood is 18th century technology of the worst kind.
    Science is linking all sorts of malaise to airborne particulates. I happen to live in a place with lots of trees- and lots of assholes- who see wood as
    A) something to do that requires little thought and much energy (chopping, stacking, etc.). These are people who would never “Exercise” in any typical use of the term.
    B) a material resource to be used up- they regard wood as a profitable enterprise- free energy source, a heat source (for their poorly insulated piece of shit homes).
    They are total assholes because:
    None of their chopping and stacking amounts to a worthwhile skill (that is, their skill with the tool can be or IS translated into the manufacture of useful or aesthetic objects). The splitting and stacking and burning of wood is entirely an end in itself. I know these people intimately.
    The sweat and effort is engaged in to feel a sort of self-esteem, for having done something. In other words, it is busywork for people who have nothing better to do.
    As an example, a miserable coot of a friend who, instead of getting a life, spends his time hacking wood apart and burning it to heat his preposterously-sized house. The handmaiden of this pointless life is alcohol and a flat, self-centered worldview populated by the ghosts of a catholic childhood.
    But I digress.
    When someone chops down trees and burns them, he takes for himself the marginal (optional, and definitely un-necessary) income of heat.
    He imposes on everyone around him airborne particles that cause, among other things, cancer. And, he removes from the environment things that were providing “services” converting CO2 to oxygen and habitat for animals.
    So splitting wood, to my mind, is fucking stupid, a false economy for the desperate. It shouldn’t be allowed in intelligent, first world societies. We already have an efficient system of distributing clean end-use energy for heating- electricity- which is marginally more expensive and 99% cleaner than burning wood- its already hooked up in many places.
    I know of a lot of older men and I emphasize men because only men split wood. They are all of a certain age, which I associate with being at the end of a long, uninspired life, in which they have fully embodied the contradictions of modern life.
    Unable to escape the traction of their conditioning, they ‘settle’ for the obliviousness of physical exertion.
    A smoking fire is as unhealthy as two packs of Marlboros a day- and subject to similar rationalisations.

  414. xhalor March 1, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    Hey! Right at the time I postulated that I had seen the “Greatest Waste of Time …EVER”; and shared what I “thought” was incontrovertible evidence of said waste, along comes messianicdruid to remind us what a REAL waste of time truly is.

  415. Bustin J March 1, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Pucker up said “According to the Chardon High School website, at the time of the shooting rampage in the cafeteria of Chardon High School yesterday (27 February 2012), the students’ lunch menu included:
    Chicken BLT salad; Chicken, industrial, processed in confinement, Bacon- from pigs, in confinement. Rendered and processed. Antibiotics likely administered.
    Chef Salad; A salad featuring parts of chicken, mechnically separated, raised in confinement, antibiotically treated, with bits of processed pork, unidentifiable as to what part of the animal it came from. Treated with nitrates. Irradiated.
    Chicken Ranch Wrap; More chicken meat, wrapped in a flour tortilla, Ranch, derived from cow’s milk. Processed.
    Max Cheese sticks w/ sauce; Milk from induced lactation of cows in a confinement setting; treated with bacterial agents to create cheese, rolled in a mixture of flours and the liquefied and homogenized fetuses of chickens. All raised in confinement and on antibiotics. Deep fried creating acrylamide in the outer layers and being a saturated fat.
    Meatball Panini; Unidentifiable composition of meat parts stuck together with binder, cooked, contains acrylamides, on bread, leavened, also containing acrylamides.
    Salsa: Chicken or Beef Burritos w/ rice: Bulk commodity food, processed, canned, reconstituted, with processed meat parts, on rice, all ingredients conventionally produced, that is, subsidized application of pesticides and fertilizers to the land, government-subsidized industrial farming.
    Ruger .22 pistol, 10 shot magazine, high muzzle velocity, used typically for target practice, neighbourhood cats, varmits, and ritual assassinations.

  416. xhalor March 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    OK. They’re primed. What was on TV?

  417. Buck Stud March 1, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    Absolutely outstanding post, Bill. You nailed it- for so many of us.
    And yes, when Bustin first expressed this idea it read like an echo of Old – a good thing in this instance.

  418. mika. March 1, 2012 at 3:46 pm #

    Either I’m losing my mind, or it’s just a matter of putting in the effort to try to understand him
    ==
    You’re losing your mind. 😀
    There will be no exchange (and therefore progress) without incentive for exchange. If everything is free, what will be the incentive for exchange (and therefore progress)? Time will stand still. You want to live in such a time capsule, go to Cuba. I’ve been to Cuba, it was horrifying and depressing.

  419. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    I understand what you are saying, but that’s part of the old paradigm: that work is so generally unrewarding (that’s why it’s called “work”) that one must be compensated for it. It’s just a way of thinking that arose in medieval times, when peasants toiled for the owner of the land and lived a miserable existence. In the new paradigm, some people will opt to work and get compensated for it. By this time, progress will itself be automated and occur with much less input as needed now.
    I’ve never had the desire to live in Cuba. Well, maybe as a rich, decadent old American reiree pre-Castro. 🙂

  420. Bustin J March 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    Wardoc said “1930’s ? 1830’s ? Baloney !!!!!
    Try 10,000 BC. Look at the numbers. Without very cheap oil for not only transport, but to make CHEAP
    fertilizers, drugs, you name it, the 1830’s will look like Buck Roger’s futuristic paradise. Imagine, just in the US, 350 million people, 1/2 diseased with old time microbes like typus and no access to antibiotics”
    And why no access? Because bugs became resistant. Where? Industrial feed-lots. That is too abstract for most people who will never experience a CAFO. Then the proper example is the supermarket.
    All those animals were fed “off-label” medications designed for HUMAN HEALTH. Chemical companies seeking more consumers for their synthesised chemical products found them- in the vast populations of food animals.
    Outside any forward-looking or insightful REGULATION, absurd quantities were AND ARE routinely administered to animals WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF INFECTION. The quest to produce burgers at low cost! Thats all.
    By the way, the best performing stock on the index for 2011: McDonald’s.
    Wardoc’s scenario continues: “… and all 350mil (except the 1% in their bunkers) starving,going berserk and trying to eat each other (look at historical examples, its a taboo topic but, cannabilism was rampant in the collapses of former Yogoslavia, in Russia during WWII, in China during the transition, in Korea last decade, don’t even think about sub-saharan Africa).”
    If you have resources, it is avoidable. If you are not engaged in internal warfare, it is avoidable. If the climate has not changed too dramatically, it is avoidable. If the economy is not shedding value and assets it is avoidable.
    The forces running counter to it are the pervasive ‘consumer’ mentality, that is, taking food in general as something not produced but gathered and consumed. Therefore if the situation becomes dire you will have an disproportionate amount of “reapers” and virtually no “sowers”.
    “10,000BC. Get ready. Personally, I’m carving a big club for hitting women in the head and dragging them back to my cave. :)”
    Personally, I believe the taboo against cannibalism will be stronger than even hunger itself. Its just a theory. The Donner party waited to eat the people that died. How polite. Other similar situations saw a more circumspect approach.
    Debridement of wounds, the sectioning of flesh from one’s own body would likely be tried first.
    Urine is a source of many nutrients.
    The situation in Asia might have been complicated by the fact that their traditional culture is very close to animism, already rationalising all sorts of animal harvesting. It will not be as difficult to imagine the dog or cat as a meat animal.
    In any case, eating gamey meats is risking exposure to a host of strange viruses and organisms. It is a last-resort act of sheer desperation that inherently dehumanizes and demoralizes. By the time such individuals are weakened in body and mind they are already on the road to death.

  421. ozone March 1, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Burning wood is 18th century technology of the worst kind. -Beej
    Sorta depends on what you burn it IN, I’d say.
    http://www.woodboilers.com/wood-boilers.aspx
    There’s a reason we got one of these. It’s not your granddad’s “wood stove”.
    To me, wood for heat is a pain, but the money we DON’T SPEND on refined black gold is more than significant.
    (I never say SAVED, because outgo is outgo.)
    BUT, I think we all know what’s gonna happen when fuel oil and electricity from coal get too pricey. The forests will be cut down willy-nilly for a heat source. Hope for a pandemic among the humans; it might just save the woodlands and some sort of bio-continuity.

  422. Eleuthero March 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    BustinJ said:
    Burning wood is 18th century technology of the worst kind.
    ***************************************************************
    Anyone who lives on the West Coast knows that this statement is absolutely true. Almost all of the “Spare the Air” smog alerts in the Bay Area are in the Fall and Winter due to the lack of air movement combined with everyone starting up their fireplaces. You can, quite literally, smell the air infused with wood smoke. There are ordinances to fine people for using fireplaces on “Spare the Air” days but they aren’t enforced.
    The same is true in the Willamette Valley of Oregon. One would think that an area where the largest city is Eugene at 250,000 people would have pristine air. Nope. Not in Winter. The Willamette and Applegate Valleys have frequent “Stagnant Air Advisories” and wood smoke hangs low over the valleys.
    However, it must be acknowledged that this is wood smoke IN ADDITION TO all of the auto exhaust. I suspect that wood burning won’t be nearly the environmental hazard in the future when the internal combustion engine slowly fades into the sunset.
    E.

  423. anti soak March 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    32 YEARS IN SOVIET MONIKA.
    It was OK 1970s and 80s.
    There are so many more people here now.
    Where will LA get its water from.
    I think 1970 there were 10 million in Cali.
    Now 30? million…….geezzzzzz
    Vlads one of the few here to say THE 1% INTEND TO BRING ANOTHER 100 OR 200 MILLION MORE TO USA.

  424. anti soak March 1, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    JKsd writings werent ‘for me’.
    Did you know he had a married mistress who [the book says] he impregnated twice?
    A friend went to his school [in UK?] as a child.
    JK is gone….at least Chinmayananda left a successor.
    Chinmaya was very impressive.
    Meher Baba said MB ruled this world, not the Jews.
    he said ww1 and 2 were ‘necessary’.
    Aurobindo said they were a funeral pyre for a dead?
    civilization.

  425. metuselah March 1, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    By this time, progress will itself be automated and occur with much less input as needed now.
    ==
    It wont happen without real competition. It never has. And for real competition to happen you need real commerce to happen. And for real commerce to happen you need real rewards. And that means real inequality.
    The problem is not inequality. The problem is that the game is now rigged so that no real competition can take place.

  426. metuselah March 1, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    I’ve never had the desire to live in Cuba. Well, maybe as a rich, decadent old American reiree pre-Castro. 🙂
    ==
    Heheh. I see. You like to watch the girls dance. Well, some would call you a dirty old man. I think it just means that you still have some life in you, and that you could still probably manage a walk through the Carmel forest. 😀

  427. anti soak March 1, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    …………………………………………..
    .charlestoncitypaper.com/HaireoftheDog/archives/2012/
    Andrew Breitbart:
    Remembering a traitor who used lies and trickery to deceive his fellow Americans.
    Breitbart never apologized for destroying Shirley Sherrod’s reputation
    Posted by Chris Haire
    When Ted Kennedy died, Andrew Breitbart had more than a few choice words for the last of the Kennedy brothers, calling the long-serving Massachusetts senator a “villain,” a “duplicitous bastard,” and a “prick.”
    In light of this, there is no reason to hold back when it comes to Breitbart, who passed away today, unexpectedly at the age of 43.
    Andrew Breitbart was a traitor who knowingly and willingly used lies and trickery to deceive his fellow Americans. His deceptive actions ended the career of Shirley Sherrod, a U.S. Department of Agriculture employee, after one of his websites aired a heavily edited video of Ms. Sherrod. Breitbart knowingly edited the video to paint Sherrod as a racist, and it was all part of Andrew’s never-ending war against the Obama administration.
    Prior to that Breitbart aired videos by James O’Keefe, featuring completely fabricated content. The videos seemingly showed O’Keefe, dressed as pimp with a “ho” in tow, entering the offices of ACORN on several occasions and interviewing ACORN employees; according to Wikipedia, O’Keefe asked ACORN employees “how to avoid taxes and detection by the authorities with regard to their plans to engage in tax evasion, human smuggling and child prostitution.” The staff answered him as best as they could.
    These videos ultimately led to the end of ACORN, a major organizer of voter registration drives in poor, often African-American communities. But there was only one problem: O’Keefe never entered a single ACORN office dressed as a pimp; he wore a suit. The pimp scenes were shot well after the interviews had taken place. Later a judge determined the interviews had been substantially edited to misrepresent what had occurred.
    Breitbart never apologized for airing these videos, ending ACORN, destroying the career of Shirley Sherrod, and, most importantly, deceiving the American public. Please forgive me if I don’t mourn his passing.
    ………………………………………..
    and in the comments section:
    What a vile piece.
    Of course, it’s no surprise that your article is as inaccurate as it is disgusting.
    Breitbart’s video of Sherrod was not “heavily edited.” It was editing in that way for the Glenn Beck show, NOT on Breitbart’s website.
    And your account of the ACORN videos is complete fiction. Watch them, and then tell me the ACORN workers were not assisting in obvious criminal activity.
    Sherrod was asked to resign before the video aired. Oh yes, and those poor ACORN employees who were just dong ther best to try and help a pimp and his underage prostitutes get away without having to pay taxes…
    Putting aside your Planet9 skew of what constitutes a traitor, let’s answer your reality-challenged praise of ACORN. No one destroyed ACORN, what was rightfully destroyed was funding ACORN from public coffers. If you think they’re so great, you’re welcome to cut them a check instead of robbing me to do it.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………….

  428. Eleuthero March 1, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    CFT said to Vlad:
    ackass! i know what is says, moron…and if you believe it, i got a bridge to sell you- cheap! think about it for a minute, rather than just swallow what you were told: who wrote the bible? men…who said that ‘god told me so’ now what would you think if a modern-day man told you that he was hearing voices from god? thassright! schizoid! so what makes it any less so that it happened 2000 years ago? really? so do us all a favor douche, and keep yer fackin’ scared-assed 85 (on your best day) IQ, duke-sucking face out of my conversations…if i wanna hear your tripe, i ll kick your goddamned dumpster over on its side so you can crawl out into the light of day, for a minute…mkay? jeezus…
    ****************************************************************
    Charlie,
    Are you channeling Mika/Metusaleh in such a post? It’s fine to use a cuss word or two now and then but when you say that Vlad is “schizoid”, has a “scared-assed 85 IQ”, and a “duke-sucking face”, etc. you are a child throwing turds from a sandbox. It reads like Mika’s posts where anybody that doesn’t agree with his Vatican conspiracy is a “murderous, racist, imperialist, Nazi bastard”.
    Vlad may be many things but to a literate person, it’s obvious that his IQ is quite high and his historical and theological knowledge are very wide-ranging. When I see vehemence that gets expressed as a sandbox mentality, I begin to think that he’s touched a nerve and you don’t have the mental resources to fight erudition with even greater erudition. Therefore, you write “rebuttals” at the gutter level such as the above.
    Vlad has been the guy IN THE RIGHT of late when he called out Bill about his alliance with Mika based solely on racial/ethnic solidarity that would be considered “Naziism” in a Gentile. Of course, it’s my prediction that Bill will reconsider his “brotherhood” with Mika because Mika is the most vicious, slanderous, violent (he threatened guys with baseball bats, etc.) guy on CFN and I think Bill is too smart to link hands with a nutter of this degree.
    However, Charlie, though we’re likely on the opposite side of some issues and agree on others, I think you’ve had better days than you had in the post above and you don’t ever want to sink to the level of a Mika by just tossing out name-callings that are patently absurd. If anybody here is “schizoid” it’s Mika because he’s the one who manifests paranoia which almost always manifests as a “conspiracy theory” (in this case, “The Vatican”) for which there is scant or nonexistent numerical evidence.
    Indeed, I consider Mika so violently crazy that my direct responses to him in an average week are scant or nonexistent. Why engage a guy whose response to hard core empirical data is simply to call a person a “murderer” or any one of a number of other canned responses.
    Vlad occasionally dabbles in the conspiratorial but never with the violence of Mika. Lately, I think Vlad and P2C are correct in fighting the rampant reverse racism that permeates American culture now, especially on TV with shows like “Good Christian Bitches” written by a homosexual Jew.
    Only fools dispute hard data and I suggest, Charlie, that on issues of race/ethnicity, it’s best to stick with the data rather than an “opinion”.
    E.

  429. metuselah March 1, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    I may be violent, both verbally and physically, but I can turn it off and on when needed for my purposes. YOU, however, will always be a Nazi. Always.
    We’re still waiting for you to substantiate your “FACTS”.

  430. Eleuthero March 1, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    Anti-Soak said:
    Breitbart never apologized for airing these videos, ending ACORN, destroying the career of Shirley Sherrod, and, most importantly, deceiving the American public. Please forgive me if I don’t mourn his passing.
    ************************************************************
    Another pervasive aspect of reverse racism in the USA is that the reverse racists NEVER have to apologize for their racism whereas a Caucasian male has to issue profuse apologies to the media within hours to avoid being fired or publicly ruined for life.
    On the other hand …
    Witness the DUKE LACROSSE SCANDAL. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson tried and convicted the Duke Lacrosse team of raping two black girls at a party. It turned out that not only were these kids not guilty but the prosecutor was DISBARRED for prosecutorial abuse. To date, if Sharpton and/or Jackson have apologized to Duke University or its lacrosse team, I’ve never seen or heard a word of it or it was buried in oblivion in some minor mag or newspaper.
    This kind of REFLEX burying of whites before a trial is SCANDALOUS. If the reverse were EVER done, the Caucasian would lose his job and his reputation for LIFE.
    E.

  431. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    “Buck, I’m afraid we lost Procon and E to the dark side (of racism and hate)”
    -btb-
    Let’s examine this idea of the dark side shall we, Bill? Is the dark side where Tribal loyalty trumps laws against making violent statements against opponents?
    Then Mika is at that dark side, far ahead of me.
    Is the dark side where loyalty to Jazz Music makes one tolerate the most hateful of statements – that one should use his dying breath choking the life SLOWLY out of a “white man?”
    Then Buck Stud claims the high “moral” ground on that dark side – and I refuse to join him there on that dark side. I want no part of painful and slow choking of men, regardless of their race.
    “I’ve always thought you as reasonable and independent. Sorry that the haters are labeling you like they do, when all you want is to be fair.” –btb to buck-
    Bill – you’ve got the most amazing habit of making statements like this one to Buck – statements that show you examine every situation through the same narrow and astigmatic lens, the lens of your own infallible inerrancy.
    ===========================
    Vlad as a sounding board WAS a bit of an overreach on my part. I retract it and apologize for it. (Something you have NEVER done, to my knowledge of CFN, Bill.) PLUS – I have taken Vlad VIOLENTLY to task for some of the hateful stuff he comes up with on CFN.
    Mika is a sounding board, too. I take him to task, but you will not. Not. even. once.
    According to Mika – Jews in New York City live in a “ghetto,” unable to leave because of “racial discrimination” against them.
    And, according to Mika – the best solution for the US is for all of us of European ancestry (that includes you, Bill) to “go back to Europe, go back to Europe.”
    You could have corrected Mika/Met on either of these statements. You did not. That’s unfortunate.

  432. metuselah March 1, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Is the dark side where loyalty to Jazz Music makes one tolerate the most hateful of statements – that one should use his dying breath choking the life SLOWLY out of a “white man?”
    ==
    You’re equating systematic discrimination thievery slavery murder genocide and the “hateful” verbal cry of the victim of this multi-generational systematic discrimination thievery slavery murder genocide and a wish for revenge. Unbelievable!
    But this is good. At least we have a clear idea of what we wont be missing when you’ll finally be disappeared from the face of the Earth.

  433. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    “I happen to think immigration should be limited until a lot of our issues here in America are resolved, particularly our economic ones, and I’m not racist.”
    -btb-
    Truer words were never spoken, Bill.
    “If anyone’s anti-immigration, and doesn’t appear racist with regard to all their comments on other subjects, I’m fine with that.”
    -btb-
    This is more problematic. Either immigration needs to be limited or it doesn’t. The “racist?” views of participants in a discussion on immigration should be immaterial to the actual facts of the matters at hand.
    ================================
    David Duke is a racist.
    David Duke is against immigration.
    Therefore, everyone against immigration is racist.
    Nazis did horribly bad things.
    Mika is against Nazis.
    Therefore, everyone with whom Mika disagrees is a Nazi.
    These are some slippery slopes, wouldn’t you agree?

  434. bubbleheadMarc March 1, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    I agree with you that it’s not so much what he’s saying quite often as how he says it. We are speaking I believe of the various incarnations of “Spider”.
    The fact is, an increasing percentage of the population has been and will be working for nonprofits and the government. If there is a global economic collapse that would be a fairly sure indicator that capitalism doesn’t work and is dead. The alternative to capitalism is some form of communism and my definition of communism is “everyone except for a small elite lives in government housing or else EVERYONE lives in government housing but the elite lives in really nice government housing.”
    The notion that anarchy will prevail and everyone will be improvising their own rude huts strikes me as wishful thinking, or perhaps even deluded romanticism. Our housing is grossly overbuilt. The fact is we could house ourselves for far less money if we all end up in dire straights. Thanks for bringing this up. This is far more interesting than an obsession with racism although of course some discussions of racism have been and could be interesting and relevant.

  435. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    A reading from the book of Mika:
    Revenge is good – directed against “white men.”
    “you’ll finally be disappeared from the face of the Earth.” mika, wishing death on all white men.
    ==============================
    And Bill wonders why I don’t embrace your genocidal hatred with loving enthusiasm.
    Unbelievable. You said it, Mika.

  436. mika. March 1, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    I’m saying as a matter of fact, PC. This is what will happen. You will not be allowed to continue. The rest of the world will have you erased. And I for one will not miss you in the least.

  437. mika. March 1, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    I’m saying ^it as a matter of fact

  438. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Say it however you like.
    It’s still genocide.

  439. mika. March 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Yes, it is.

  440. CaptSpaulding March 1, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Has anyone seen the movie with Michael Ruppert called Collapse? I watched it for the heck of it, and the guy seems as though he’s well read, and he offers some convincing theories about what’s going . His suggestion for living in the aftermath are pretty much in line with JHK’s ideas. I’m interested in what people have to say about the movie.

  441. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    “Yes, it is. (genocide) – mika/met –
    “My name is Bill of Beantown, and I approve this genocidal message.”
    This is yours to fix, Bill.
    I can’t help you.

  442. mika. March 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    This is yours to fix, Bill.
    ==
    No, PC. It’s not for Bill to fix. It was yours not to mess up. But you did. The consequences are what they are. For every action there’s an equal reaction. It’s the law of nature.
    And Bill is not going to save you.

  443. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

    Hey Captain! Long time, no post, heh?
    There’s some very good endtimes stuff out there right now. I haven’t seen the one you referenced, but I’ve got the general idea pretty well nailed down.
    So, what do I think is going to happen?
    Wow, beats the hell out of me. But I keep accelerating my preparations. This may be paranoia, or it may be intuition. I’ll let you know in a couple of years, how about that??
    And what do you think?
    I’ve started to add some serious long-term food, to my normal food storage program. I’m not sure that means much, to the average CFN’er, but I normally have about two months worth of food in the house – it’s just the country boy in me.
    But now I’m adding in a couple of months worth of stored eggs and TVP – enough for a family of 8 for two months, even though only my wife and I live here, now. But my house is the “official?” fall-back and staging area for my two sons, a couple of grandkids, a daughter in law and a girlfriend in law. Best be prepared, right?
    I did find one new thing, which I’ve never before seen mentioned on CFN. That’s antibiotics, and how important it could be to have some stored on hand.*
    If you don’t have access to a doctor who can write ‘scrips to help you “prep,” there are other sources. And this is amazing. According to everything I’ve checked – it is possible to buy all of the pharmaceutical grade Keflex you desire right now, fairly cheap, and without a prescription.
    The catch? The Keflex is legal only for fish. Freakin’ goddam’ aquarium FISH can take Keflex in 500 milligram doses without a prescription – while I have to go to a doctor, have lab work, and jump through hoops – to get the same stuff.
    And yeah, BustinJ – I fully get the irony, here.
    http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Fish_Flex_Forte_500_mg_Cephalexin_x_100_Capsules_Non_prescription-P39061.aspx
    *this may wake asoka from his slumber to cry, “store no gold, store no food, rely on the kindness of human strangers to survive!”
    But, man – bacteria don’t know Buddha. And if you had some 500 mg. Keflex on hand, and could keep a friend alive with it – wouldn’t Buddha approve?

  444. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Don’t be obtuse, Mika,.
    You’re a nutter, albeit a theoretically Jewish nutter – with extreme genocidal intent.
    Bill has embraced you.
    He can UN-embrace you.
    I don’t think he will.
    What does the rest of CFN think?
    Does anybody read this sh*t anyway, other that the few of us who actually post here?

  445. mika. March 1, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

    I’m just telling you truth, PC. It is what it is.

  446. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

    Signs of Europeans on the East Coast as early as twenty thousand years ago – well before the Asian Siberians. The Pilgrims and the Colonists at Jamestown were just coming home. This is our Continent so let’s fight for it. We plan a great Fortress in the Northwest. Make your own in the Southeast.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html?hpid=z5

  447. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

    Nice find – I’ve been wondering about how to get some anti-biotics too. What else is needed in this direction? Let us know what else you find out.
    How does one preserve eggs? How are your guard cat and dog doing?

  448. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    “I’m just telling you truth, PC. It is what it is.”
    -mika/met-
    Then I guess I’ll see you in Hell, to continue this battle, Mika. Which could pose a problem for you, you old atheist, you?
    And I don’t know about it all, Mika.
    We’ve had some good battles, you and I.
    And I can salute you from a distance – and we might get along OK, warily, in person. You battle for your people. I can respect that. You wish to kill my people. I can even respect that – although I will have to fight to the death against you, because of it.
    You’re in a different world, Mika.
    Bill and I are are the the same world.
    Is Tribe more important than Truth?
    That’s the question Bill faces.
    The world waits his answer.

  449. mika. March 1, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    You’re in a different world, Mika.
    Bill and I are are the the same world.
    ==
    I don’t think so, PC.
    It takes certain eyes to see the things that I see. Bill has my eyes, and I his. I may mellow a bit with age, I may not. But I will always have my eyes, Bill’s eyes.

  450. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

    E- while i will point out that i didn t intend to call flad schizophrenic; i meant that if he believes in god because some guy said god talks to me, IMnotsoHO, that s crazy,
    i can only and must whole-heartedly agree with you about the vulgar insults in the respect that it was churlish and rude venting- rude to everyone…so please accept my apologies on their behalf, because it would be a tedious undertaking to interact individually i will endeavor to restrain myself in future…

  451. progress2conserve March 1, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    “Bill has my eyes, and I his. I may mellow a bit with age, I may not. But I will always have my eyes, Bill’s eyes.”
    mika/met-
    It is not mellowness with age that I am addressing, Mika. It is outlook. If you are as you say, an Israeli Jew – and I’d guess a fairly young one, at that. – – That gives you the right to a level of combativeness, and to everything that goes with it. Bill should have a different perspective.
    That’s not to say Bill is right, you are right, or I am right – but it is to say that we are all entitled to draw breath – in as much peace as is possible – until we die.
    If you cannot let the sins and evils of the past – finally – die with the past –
    Then the evil of the past will travel into the future with you, forever.

  452. mika. March 1, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    You’re asking for clemency, but it’s not about clemency. It about a set a circumstances that has rendered you extinct. You are as extinct as the Tyrannosaurus Rex. You just can’t comprehend it.

  453. rippedthunder March 1, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    All ya need, cheaper than Walgreens! do a search they sell fish anti- germ pills cheap!
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=fish+antibiotics&_nkwusc=fish+anbiotics&_rdc=1

  454. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    Marc, we haven’t had capitalism in this country for a very long time. What we have is a socialistic economic dictatorship of the very rich whose primary goal is to increase their own wealth while placating the masses with entitlements. In true capitalism, capital made from business operations are ploughed back into the corporation to stimulate growth, with only a little available as profit distributions. And the central government does not employ corporate welfare practices, such as bailing out failing businesses.
    If a world-wide collapse does occur, it will indicate the failure of this system, not the failings of capitalism. But I understand what you mean, Marc. True capitalism, with effective central government oversight eliminating the possibility of excesses, is a very good economic model.
    You’ve said in earlier posts that you are a grouchy man, but I don’t see it in your postings. You seem pretty reasonable to me. What gets ME grouchy are rascist/anti-semitic, prejudiced posts. These present me with a dilemma I have yet to resolve: When I see these comments, I feel compelled to respond, given who I am, but at the same time, I know I’m being manipulated and provoked, and I really dislike that. But I’m working on it.

  455. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

    Just wanted to let you know I haven’t read the website about solar yet, but I haven’t forgotten and will reply in time – reasonably soon. It being the first of the month, I had to do a lot of bookkeeping today.

  456. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    I do want to let the past lie, but unfortunately others remind me of the past when they make prejudiced postings, and I will not let that pass. I’m not the one who randomly starts out-of-context anti-Jewish, anti-black, anti-Mexican rants. You want me to forget it? Just don’t post those kinds of comments.

  457. BeantownBill March 1, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    And you don’t tell me who to defend or not. And you don’t tell me who to apologize to or not.
    Did you read the post where I apologized to Charlie, because in my ignorance, I used the term “redneck”, not being aware it might be offensive? Yeah, I apologized to him, and now we’re cool – end of story.

  458. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    What specifically would be Kflex be good for? Infected wounds? Bacterial or viral disease? What?

  459. Vlad Krandz March 1, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    Prog may ask for Clemency because he is still “young” (just realizing). We who are older do not ask nor do we grant it to those who wish to genocide us.
    Let Prog go back to the Founding Fathers. Jefferson – survival is the first morality. Sam Adams – give me liberty or give me death. Madison I believe – those who will not defend their freedom with force do not deserve it.

  460. mika. March 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Vladik, what you seem to forget is that I know and understand you better than you know yourself. You talk about morality of survival; but survival to do what, survival to be what? You are a walking talking dinosaur. Your time is up.

  461. mika. March 1, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

    A Tribute To Desslok
    http://goo.gl/IHWxX

  462. Pucker March 1, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    Obama’s trying to hit-me-up again for three bucks….
    “Pucker —
    You probably don’t know Janet from Accokeek, Maryland.
    But you two could be having dinner with President Obama together sometime soon.
    Janet was the first guest selected for the next Dinner with Barack. And we’re counting down the hours until we draw the next name.
    The second seat could be yours — you’ll be automatically entered when you donate $3 or whatever you can today.
    Janet told us that when she donated $25 last week she was just trying to show her support for the President.
    No one ever thinks they’ll be picked until they are.
    Take the chance. Chip in $3 or more today to be automatically entered:
    https://donate.barackobama.com/The-Second-Guest
    Thanks,
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    Julianna Smoot
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  463. charliefoxtrot March 1, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

    whatever s cool, beans…and i aint after a dissertation on the perceived reilative merits of these and other solar energy systems you are perhaps familiar with…(chuckle quietly)…i sincerely just hope you read it- it s a quick link to the tech page when you get around to it…

  464. Pucker March 2, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    “Pucker —
    You probably don’t know Janet from Accokeek, Maryland.
    But you two could be having dinner with President Obama together sometime soon.”
    It looks like “Janet from Accokeek” may be a babysitter?
    http://www.sittercity.com/babysitters/md/accokeek/122658.html

  465. Eleuthero March 2, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    CFT said:
    i can only and must whole-heartedly agree with you about the vulgar insults in the respect that it was churlish and rude venting- rude to everyone…so please accept my apologies on their behalf,
    ****************************************************************
    Thanks for your graciousness, CFT. It did seem out of character for you but we all have our outbursts and different folks seem to bring the worst out of us. I find it exceedingly difficult to answer posts by Asoka and Mika/Metusaleh without getting out-of-line myself.
    However, this is a blog where people find that one and the same person will be a dear friend/ally on some issues and a mortal enemy on other issues. I firmly believe that one of the most ominous things about our society is that people stop debating ideas and facts and just shout ad hominems at each other or engage in disingenuous debating (like the cherrypicking of facts that politicians do).
    Even if the invective between us (the ROYAL “us”, not you and I) is large, I still feel that it’s a duty of mature adults to confront disagreements with cogent, factual, well-worded arguments. I don’t know if you were here when the legendary “Fabian” was here until he got booted. Every post he made was 100% sandbox insults with facts and data as rare as the Spotted Owl. He was Mika’s “soothsayer” which figured because Mika’s style is virtually identical i.e., just calling people “murderers”, “savages”, “tools of the Vatican”, and so on.
    Vlad is a guy I’ve both agreed with and disagreed with (although on the issue of reverse racism, I’m right there with him). I’ve always found the great bulk of his controversial discourse to be civil and almost always accompanied by a degree of erudition which I do not dismiss. This guy may read some authors I find crazy but he can also quote from Kierkegaard or very deep level Buddhist literature with equal facility.
    Many may think of Vlad as one of the “bad” guys of CFN but to me he’s totally unworthy of such a slur.
    E.

  466. Pucker March 2, 2012 at 12:15 am #

    I recall that on the morning just before the shooting at Columbine High School, the teenage killers went bowling at the local bowling alley.
    Knocking down a few “pins”…Get it?

  467. Eleuthero March 2, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    P2C quoted BeantownBill as saying:
    “Buck, I’m afraid we lost Procon and E to the dark side (of racism and hate)”
    -btb-
    *************************************************************
    BTB is quite the sophist but not clever enough by half. He knows very well that his pal, Mika, issues the most direct, the most savage ad hominem attacks, the most direct physical threats against people and then calls me out for “going to the dark side”? Mika is almost the living embodiment of direct hate.
    Bill, if you hate racism and injustice like you claim you do, then where’s your vitriol against the idea that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can try and convict people on TV, get proven wrong, and not even have to issue an apology? Where’s your sense of “justice”, Bill.
    Let’s look at your phrase, “the dark side”. Which is “darker”, Bill? Taking up allegiances with people based on character and civility or taking up allegiances with people based solely on tribal loyalty? Martin Luther King junior even exhorted you to use the content of a man’s character as the SOLE determinant of his godliness.
    Why is “righteous indignation” available only to some tribes and not others? We’ve got the ADL and the NAACP as “righteous indignation” organizations for Jews and Blacks respectively. You know as well as I do that if a “National Association for the Advancement of White People” was ever started in the USA of 2012 it would be marginalized, vilified, and put out of sight before even ONE word of its charter was ever examined. Where’s the justice in that, Bill? Why can’t Caucasians view this as hatred and injustice?
    Surely, Bill, you cannot claim that, being a Jew, you’re part of an “oppressed” group in the United States of America? You let whites and blacks do your fighting for you because you’re underrepresented in the military by a factor of TEN. You have the highest incomes and are not discriminated against in the workplace else how could you occupy so many high positions.
    Get real about “hate”, Bill.
    E.

  468. greyghost05 March 2, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Vlad, another good link. Nice to see that people are getting onto what’s in the wind.
    As to fish meds, it might not be a bad idea to check with a Vet and see what antibiotics and pain meds would cross match for humans. Pet meds of all sorts can be purchased anywhere. Tractor Supply, Pet Supply Plus are good sources.
    Cabelas has 5.56 on sale this week. 62grain green tip Federal rounds as well as 115grain 9mm. Military surplus.

  469. Vlad Krandz March 2, 2012 at 1:27 am #

    Thank you for your kind words. Prog threw me under his volkswagon bus. I find your erudition quite impressive as well – able to talk well about even Eastern Religion once, a subject far from your field.
    I do find you puzzling though: a couple of weeks ago you chastised me saying that you “had no problem with the Jews” or something close to that. But now all this. I have found you similarly double minded in the past about other minority issues. I don’t imagine that I convinced you, but rather I served as a catalyst or even a sounding board – whatever that is. I’m very psychologically oriented – I just wonder what you subjective state was when you wrote those words a few weeks ago. Did you really not know your own depths? Or did you just not want to talk about it? Or admit at that moment that I had a point? In any case, it’s good to know oneself and to be both “here and there” at all times – even if one chooses to remain silent. We should be able to react to Life with all cylinders firing and not just an “approved” part of ourselves be it by self or other.
    If I can be a catalyst for people, be it psychological or just in terms of the social situation, I am pleased. Sometimes in real life I’ve done so and at other times I’ve been too timid and felt a sense of failure. I could have added to what was going but did not. I have a good bullshit detector, a faculty that is quite needed and that even brilliant people sometimes lack.

  470. Vlad Krandz March 2, 2012 at 1:31 am #

    Just mix with the Blacks and this ancient conflict is over and we win by default. You have been compromised by the propaganda that was meant just for us. It’s too funny.

  471. Vlad Krandz March 2, 2012 at 1:38 am #

    Well Prog has a background in Biology and seems to know about this kind of thing. I’m hoping he will clarify exactly what this Kflex would be good for.
    I head that people used to use bread mold to cure infections on the frontier. Home made penicillin! We need to know these things. Honey is good. Spider webs I’ve heard also. And of course, maggots! That would be hard indeed. I’m still too squeamish. The Theravadin Buddhists meditate on corpses in various stages of decay. That would help if I could just find a dead body somewhere.
    Supposedly the Barefoot Doctors of the Cultural Revolution performed miracles with just a few scapels and accupuncture needles. Might be a good book to have – used to be in the bookstores in the 70’s along with the Sensual Man by J. Who was J? Is that you over at The Spearpoint?

  472. asoka. March 2, 2012 at 2:03 am #

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) pointed to blocked efforts by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to stop such speculation, which the CFTC estimates adds more than 50 cents a gallon to the price of gas.
    “What’s happening about the price at the pump is very interesting,” Pelosi said in her weekly press conference. “Supply is going up, demand is going down, and the price is going up,” she said, referring to recent data to that effect.
    “So how do you explain that?” Pelosi asked. “You explain it by recognizing that Republicans are protecting Wall Street speculators responsible for driving up the pain at the pump.”

  473. Eleuthero March 2, 2012 at 2:07 am #

    Vlad said:
    I do find you puzzling though: a couple of weeks ago you chastised me saying that you “had no problem with the Jews” or something close to that. But now all this. I have found you similarly double minded in the past about other minority issues. I don’t imagine that I convinced you, but rather I served as a catalyst or even a sounding board – whatever that is. I’m very psychologically oriented – I just wonder what you subjective state was when you wrote those words a few weeks ago.
    *************************************************************
    It’s true, Vlad, I did say those words. I was speaking from personal social involvements with Jewish people from my youth onward. I grew up admiring many Jewish people for their brilliance (Einstein, Jacob Bekenstein), their contributions to the arts (Arthur Rubinstein and Murray Perahia on piano and Gidon Kremer on violin), and their unique “shaggy dog” sense of humor.
    However, with age, alas, I have seen all too many reenactments of the Bill/Mika bonding over NOTHING but ethnicity. I am a veritable encyclopedia of demographic statistics and grew increasingly bewildered by the underrepresentation of Jews in the military and overrepresentation in the media in proportion to their population. Thus, I am odds with my own self about this issue because I will never reject ANY individual man socially solely on the basis of his ethnicity/race yet as a collective, I do grow restive about the very issues we’ve discussed recently.
    Just as feminism, IMHO, has gone way, way too far, so, too, has this endless carping and whining of “oppressed groups”. In the case of Jews in America I see ZERO “oppression”. In the case of blacks and Hispanics, I say “Stop murdering, raping, and pillaging and then let’s talk”. I think both America and Europe are falling behind China BECAUSE the Chinese quietly discriminate between civilized and uncivilized people and don’t give a fig about political correctness.
    The pragmatic nations, whoever they turn out to be (Russia? India?), will succeed because they will not indulge the total bullshit of Orwellian Liberals. When your country is trying to be First World, you don’t have the luxury of believing lies and disbelieving the evidence of your senses or the evidence of large scale demographic stats.
    Europe, too, will die of its own political correctness until the freaking Caliphate is in Berlin or Paris. Caucasian Liberals are the quintessence of THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.
    E.

  474. Eleuthero March 2, 2012 at 2:29 am #

    P2C said:
    David Duke is a racist.
    David Duke is against immigration.
    Therefore, everyone against immigration is racist.
    Nazis did horribly bad things.
    Mika is against Nazis.
    Therefore, everyone with whom Mika disagrees is a Nazi.
    These are some slippery slopes, wouldn’t you agree?
    ***************************************************************
    Hilarious, P2C, and points out the hilarious illogic of Mika and, to a lesser extent, Bill. It should be an absolute requirement for all disciplines in university to take a SYMBOLIC LOGIC course because then you become conversant with every flawed argument form in existence, most of which are in full display, weekly, on CFN.
    The David Duke one is the “universality of one” flaw that if you believe any part of what person X believes then whatever horrible label applies to person X applies to YOU. I could give an even more ridiculous example. “Adolf Hitler patted babies on the head. Adolf Hitler slaughtered millions of people. Therefore, people who pat babies on the head are genocidal”.
    The second argument form that Mika uses constantly is simply the disease of MEGALOMANIA. He has anointed himself as the sole arbiter of truth. His “refutations” are that if I don’t like being called a murderer then I must acknowledge the “truth” of which, of course, he is in sole possession. He is DECLARING himself to be a deity who needs to pursue no line of reasoning because he’s “above” that. He’s Asoka without the fake smile. An unelected “guru”. Even in Buddhism, your enlightenment must be affirmed by many masters … you don’t just declare yourself to be a sage … unless you’re an idiot like Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer, or Daniel Amen.
    I don’t know how half the people on this site feed themselves because their thinking is so utterly bereft of any logic, often without a proper sense of obligation to present data, often with no respect for data compiled by nonpartisan groups with huge sample sizes, and often with more respect for the “aesthetics” of an idea than whether it correlates one iota with truth.
    In the Second Dark Age in which we live, the “truth” will, indeed, become less and less “aesthetic”.
    E.

  475. Pucker March 2, 2012 at 2:46 am #

    Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first African American to hold the office.
    Mormon, 1970s teen-idle, Donny Osmond song “One Black Apple”:
    “One black apple don’t spoil the whole bunch, girl.
    Oh, give it one more try before you give up on love.
    One black apple don’t spoil the whole bunch girl.
    Oh, I don’t care what they say,
    I don’t care what you heard.”

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  477. old69 March 2, 2012 at 4:52 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
    “how is the study of the bio considered technology??”
    1) Biology is not even a science, it is based on studying a completely arbitrary, make believe fluke of a contraption Matter decided to produce through a completely fake, artificial, make believe process of Natural Evolution (a fancy way to simply say the Ball of Matter that is the Earth decided to play with itself and created (nay invented, just because, because Matter was “bored”) Man Brains) with no necessity or goal in mind, no need for Matter to wake up and make believe that it is alive, it should have stayed in bed and sleep instead, where its “Natural” place in the universe is: in other words, Matter and Mass Energy should just stop fooling around with itself creating contraptions that become alive and make believe that they are real when they are total lies and fake and inventions with no value whatsoever (see what happens when you don’t believe in GOD anymore ?). Matter should be still, dead, should not be conscious or alive, should be blind, a void, empty, please give us back nothing, good old nothing forever, void, empty, please kill all possible life in the universe, stop this lie of Matter pretending to be alive, kill Nature…Thank You. You’re Welcome.
    2) The “science” of biology is 100 % based on Intentionalities of Use, of decisions and models and goals already assigned from the outset and only according to how it relates to pain/pleasure circuits, to how we can interact and manipulate matter accordingly, how we can devise new Information Relationships to achieve our satisfaction and such.
    3) Since Physics and Mathematics (and the corollary logic, language, thought processes) are all based on reductionism, on precise patterns revealed, on precise mathematical or logical relationships discovered (but really invented, in a subtle way), but especially mathematical and therefore perceived as being so precise, and correct and incredible, and since from there on all of the other sciences build on top of Physics and Math and such, scientists conclude that there is something magical and mysterious in the way mathematics “describes” our state of affairs: nothing further from the truth, Matter is simply just talking to itself and making things up and lying to itself and inventing and creating virtualities (mental models and Intentionalities of Use) and such, all based on implied mental models and thought models and processes and therefore language, logic and mathematics, and looking at itself in the mirror and saying to itself, look how “precise” I am and such. Obviously this is the case of the Observer also being the Observed, the Processor also being the Information Item upon which the Processor is operating upon and such.
    But to finally reveal how unprecise science really is, try to predict the exact next earthquake (and intensity and shape and such), try to predict the exact shape of the next cloud (mathematically, in millimeter terms, just like quantum electrodynamics predicts mass and charge and such of elementary particles, when it is really just predicting the huge precision of precision instruments set up to express mathematical relationships from the outset, the precision is already given since the machines are designed precisely and such), try to predict the exact shape and form of an ocean wave or the mountain shape, etc.
    But the reason why you don’t want to or “need to” predict the precision of those elements (try to predict the precise configuration of pebbles on a street and such) is because we don’t need to do anything with it, it is outside of our usage (our function space), as a function for us to use, we can’t do anything with that precision, hence it becomes irrelevant and not important but especially because we can’t build any machine around that precision, we can’t construct any technology or function around the precision of the exact shape of a cloud and such. So, as you see the Intentionality of Use creates the need for a Function and hence for a Machine, a Task, an Operation and hence the origin of the “Unreasonable Precision of Mathematics in Describing the World”.
    As a side note, I have been banned once again from physicsforums and scienceforums websites, etc. This demonstrates how the only thing that counts is subjectivity, it is all personal now, no one cared to comment or talk about the contents of my posts, it is always more important to fight the guy, to make it clear that “you don’t like the poster”, it is always subjective and personal, I mean, since when did a post acquire a personality along with itself ? since when did a block of text become alive and something you must fight and insult and such ? Because our Man Brain is set up only and exclusively for fighting, for confrontations, for challenges (status challenges, who is the winner and loser), we are automatically a fighting machine a hating machine, a machine that wants to win, wants to fight and win, and the contents of the ideas or posts or whatever are just an excuse (a scenary) to finally really make the true nature of Man Brains come out: the contradiction, the fight, the challenge, A against B, end of story (and trying to convince as many other readers to agree with you to gain consensus, so the more people agree with you, the more your side wins and you are right and correct and your ideas or rules or whatever (political rules and desires) become the dominant ones and such, (but as you see everyone is all wrong because our “Mind is Always Wrong no Matter What” because all ideas and positions are based on an arbitrarily designed contraption of the Man Brain so they are all arbitrary positions, fluke designs, just aesthetical choices and such)).
    So, in this sense, Ad Hominem Attacks are really the only thing that we are talking about and interested in, in the end, the only thing that counts, the content of messages are irrelevant, as I always suspected.
    AN APE

  478. 8man March 2, 2012 at 5:01 am #

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  481. old69 March 2, 2012 at 6:40 am #

    Miles Davis says he would strangle a white, etc. If Einstein said he would like to kill so and so, etc. would that change the value of his works ? No, same with art. But art is strange, art has mixed into it a subtle human – social – political like value, a message, as being part of something: point in case, I like some of Limp Bizkit music (mostly the music, don’t care about the lyrics and messages), but they are mostly hated, so I tried to figure this out and it all boils down to cultural associations, you are on their side or against them, there is this message thing, this fashion thing, this belonging to a group as opposed to another etc. that waters out the music and such.
    So, the same with this jazz thing, if you can just appreciate the music not even caring who or even what made it ( a machine made music) maybe you can like it. I doubt it though, the “who made it” thing is always way too important…

  482. tegmark March 2, 2012 at 8:51 am #

    From:
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.com/
    Sorry, there is one mistake:
    “just like quantum electrodynamics predicts mass and charge”
    Not true, mass and charge are given constants, but relationships between/created with the constants can be predicted precisely. But they are predicted using precision machines…what came first the machines producing and creating the measurements or the measurements independent of the machines ? do the measurements exist without any machines measuring them and expressing them ? is it a natural state of affairs that matter is set up intentionally and logically and mathematically, after many thought processes and investigations to express mathematical relationships or do scientists simply invent (but subtly) the mathematical relationships by setting up matter to express them ?
    From:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_tests_of_QED
    “As of February 2007, the best measurement of the anomalous magnetic dipole moment of the electron was made by Gabrielse et al.[3] using a single electron caught in a Penning trap.”

  483. greyghost05 March 2, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    There are lots of good books containing info on herbal medicine. One I like is called Back To Eden by Jethro Kloss(1937). It’s old and was probably state of the art in the late 30’s. The real crunch will be weining people foo their maintainence scripts of BP/Heart and Diabetic meds. And those with behavioral issues. Bad cases will need to see Dr. Remington or Dr. Ruger for the safety of the majority. Cold ? Hell yeah, but it might be necessary. Of course the change to the survival diet will help shed the pounds that most doctors agree we need to drop. Whenever you can pick up a copy of the latest Boy Scout Handbook and the Boy Scout Fieldbook. Both are loaded with useful tips.
    There are a couple of gun shows in the area this weekend. I’m going to try and make at least one. I don’t need any weapons but a good deal on ammo and combat first aid supplies would come in handy. My MOS in the Army was 91 Bravo…Medic. So I have a strong concern about emergancy first aid at the squad/fireteam level. It will be very messy and intense during the 1st year or so of the collapse. Once the dust settles things should start to rebuild a little bit. Lawlessness will prevail in certain areas and small village defense will come into play. You can find Army Field Manuals covering these subjects either online or at gun shows that have Militaria displays.
    If you want to look at possibilities check out the online video game Shattered Union. It deals with the fall of the US and the reformation of Regional Units. The map in the handbook is very interestingly drawn up. Might just happen that way. What’s scary is that most National Guard and Regular Army units have left all their heavy equipment over in the sand box thus effectively disarming the homeland. Think of the old movie Red Dawn. Hmmmm, oh it can’t happen here ! Right ?

  484. messianicdruid March 2, 2012 at 9:24 am #

    “I do want to let the past lie, but unfortunately others remind me of the past when they make prejudiced postings, and I will not let that pass.”
    At what point may I conclude that BTB does not care to discuss certain information that he alleged does not exist? Do I earn a label of some sort for examining the Hebrew scriptures, in detail, and use them to answer a question? I corroborate things said on the board with prophecy and you’d think I let a skunk loose in here. I’ve heard {with my own ears} stuff like this:
    “And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.”
    Seems to me this is exactly what CFN is all about.
    http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm

  485. BeantownBill March 2, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    Hey, MD, in that posting, I wasn’t thinking of you at all – I was referring to the relatively recent past. Go ahead and quote from the Bible as much as you want, I have no problem with that.

  486. old69 March 2, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834
    [quote=”turtle”]i am interested in matter right now….i teach kids about this stuff..you are talking about a much higher level of discussion…what should i tell them about where matter comes from….maybe you can help….i still see this as theoretical although we use some of our understanding to make new things…[/quote]
    Matter comes from nowhere, it just IS, it is a fluke, a quirk, an error, a mistake within a reference system containing all possibilities. The laws of physics and how we appear and what is has no reason behind it, no deeper cause and effect final solution, aka the FINAL SYMBOL.
    Tell your kids to draw new brains, tell them to invent and make up new brain designs on paper, wildly different Minds and Brains, let them have fun, let them go crazy, tell them to make up new wild symbols and schematics of new neural circuits, designs composed of block diagrams changing all of the mental functions and how they are connected between sense organs, memories, pain/pleasure circuits, emotions, etc. Make the new brains undergo a completely new experience of existence to the extreme. Amen.
    Tell them to shove a Jet Engine in their Man Brain, to throw their Man Brain in the center of Stars, ask them how does the world appear for a new Man Brain composed of an Atomic Bomb exploding, how all of those temporary connections and neural circuits produce existence and consciousness and reality as in all is a possible new design of a Brain, all is a brain as in BRAINIUM.
    Read all my 1,400 past posts carefully, let your kids read them all and tell them to stick wild chemicals, symbols and signals in the ball of meat that is their Man Brain.
    And especially tell your kids to worship lies, to worship contradictions to strive to be always wrong, to make as little sense as possible, to invent all they want and hose the truth and logic and reality.
    Thank You. You’re Welcome.
    TOBOR THE 8 MAN

  487. ront March 2, 2012 at 10:07 am #

    “It wont happen without real competition. It never has. And for real competition to happen you need real commerce to happen. And for real commerce to happen you need real rewards. And that means real inequality.”
    I disagree. The elements required for progress are motivation, intention, attention, a little, not-too-serious competition, and a surplus of cooperation. The motivation should be based in the oneness of all beings and things–brotherhood. Serious, cutthroat, crony, mafia-like competition is based in the powerful illusion of separateness, making life relationships a struggle instead of a gift.

  488. progress2conserve March 2, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    Concerning antibiotics-
    I’ve already ordered a sealed bottle of 100, 500mg Keflex for fish. It was 40 bucks from that Lambert place I posted last night. Will I ever take it or give it to someone? Hopefully not. But the sealed bottle has a long shelf life, and it provides a form of insurance and peace of mind, for me and my family in an uncertain future.
    Why Keflex, instead of one of the other choices?
    Because Keflex is the most broad spectrum of the choices. Because all of my family has taken it at to good effect and without allergic reaction – at one time or another.
    Why Fish pills, instead of veterinary pills or human pills?
    Because Fish pills require no prescription – and thus leave no paper trail, nor do they require interviews with nosy vets. or dr.s.
    Somebody ought to ask Alexandra if she carries antibiotics on that boat of hers and where she obtains them. Long distance sailors are the ultimate in required self-sufficiency.

  489. ront March 2, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    “In true capitalism, capital made from business operations are ploughed back into the corporation to stimulate growth, with only a little available as profit distributions. And the central government does not employ corporate welfare practices, such as bailing out failing businesses.”
    This was accomplished rather well when we had more extreme progressive tax rates. In those years egos were aggrandized through acts of generosity rather than amassing vast wealth and power.

  490. progress2conserve March 2, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    On food storage –
    Find a Mormon who’s been at it for a while, and do whatever he does, as regards food storage, but tailor it to your specific situation.
    I’ve got a good size garden already. Plus, I back up to 1000’s of acres of National Forest. So I can grow and/or forage a lot of roots, mushrooms, and leafy things.
    Our big limiting factor would be proteins and oils. Thus the long-term food storage that I plan to buy and forget until needed – emphasizes protein (eggs and TVP) and oils (butter, cheese, etc.)
    A Mormon I talked to – recommended Shelf Reliance, Honeyville, and Emergency Essentials.
    And he recommend #10 cans of things.
    http://beprepared.com/

  491. mika. March 2, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    I disagree.
    ==
    I don’t think you are. I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying.
    Commerce is not ‘serious, cutthroat, crony, mafia-like competition’. What you’re describing is imperialism. This is what we have today, and I am against imperialism. But I am for commerce. Commerce is trade. Fair trade, where communities are protected from predation.

  492. progress2conserve March 2, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    “prog threw me under the volkswagon bus…”
    -vlad-
    That’s very funny, Vlad. You and I have had some very good battles on here, as well. I hope we have many more.
    And I’ll admit to you that in the case of Mika/Met/Bill – I keep taking three steps forward and two steps back.
    The beliefs that Bill keeps espousing are just so appalling, and so contrary to everything that I as a modern American have believed since childhood – – that I keep hoping Bill will wake up – at the continued urging of Eleuthero and me – and tell us he’s been having a psychotic episode, or something – and then take some of it back.
    Either that or I’m just trying to be “nice.”
    (tm Q, now vanished again. banned, you suppose?)
    Eleuthero mentioned that we “need?” a National Association for the Advancement of White People.
    That already exists. It’s probably “racist.”
    Hopefully it’s not as Tribalist as Mika is, but I’ve never even checked it out.
    Here’s the link.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_White_People
    Maybe it would be better to change the name to the National Organization for the Protection of White People.