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The last time the Democratic Party blew up in a presidential election year was 1860. It had evolved from Jefferson’s 1800 bloc of yeoman farmers to Andrew Jackson’s rowdy caucus of frontier populists in the 1830s, and settled into a slough of pro-slavery apologists by the 1850s, including two do-nothing Democratic presidents, Pierce and Buchanan. The party held a nominating convention in the spring of 1860 and couldn’t come up with a candidate when a claque of southern “fire-eaters” walked out. They tried again a few months later and cracked up into three separate parties with three nominees — and of course Mr. Lincoln won the election. The result was the bloodiest war in US history.

That’s one way to drain a swamp. Historical obfuscators might say the Civil War was a lofty, legalistic quarrel over “state’s rights,” but of course it was really about the intolerable depravity of slavery. A hundred years later, the mysterious inversions of history converted the old slaver’s party into the Civil Rights party. That had a good fifty-year run. It included a hearty side-dish of anti-war sentiment, and a general disposition against the Big Brother treatment of citizens, including especially the overreach of the CIA and the FBI.

What is the Democratic Party today? Well, it’s the cheerleading squad for “seventeen” government agencies that add up to the craftily-labeled “intel community,” a warm-and-fuzzy coalition of snoops, false witnesses, rogue lawfare cadres, seditionists, and bad-faith artists working sedulously to hide their previous misdeeds with ever-fresh ones. They’re the party against free speech, the party against due process of law, the party determined to provoke war with Russia. They’re the party of sexual confusion, sexual hysteria, and sexual conflict, the party of kangaroo courts, cancel culture, erasing boundaries (including national borders), and of making up rules for all that as they go along — like the Nazis and Soviets used to do. The ideas and policies they advocate are so comprehensively crazy that their old support of slavery looks quaintly straightforward in comparison.

It’s taken a while for the full efflorescence of these political pathologies to present. But now they are finally on display for all to see in what is supposed to be a climactic impeachment melodrama. The impeachment process itself has revealed the party’s genius for inventing new debaucheries of law and government misconduct — the latest being Rep Adam Schiff’s blatantly illegal cadging of his opponents’ phone logs. And now, after three years of unchallenged wickedness, they literally face the moment of truth.

That is, when all the many players in this grand game of Gotcha have to face the consequences of what they have done. The Horowitz report is necessarily limited to the DOJ inspector general’s narrow mission scope: the IG can only interview current employees of the agency and its stepchild, the FBI, which means that key players in the Gotcha game such as former FBI director Comey, former acting director McCabe, fired special agent Peter Strzok and notably ex-CIA director John Brennan were outside of Mr. Horowitz’s sphere of operations. His scope was also supposedly limited to the issues around FISA warrant mischief — though those complex shenanigans may have led the IG to other related dodges, cons, and crimes outright. The IG has no real law enforcement powers. He can only refer or recommend further action. Nevertheless, a great miasma of anxiety oppresses the Democratic Party now as it awaits whatever Mr. Horowitz has to say about these matters.

The party’s propaganda arms at The New York Times, the WashPo, and cable news networks worked up a frenzy of distractions and ruses this past week — for instance the “bombshell” that International-Man-of-Mystery Joseph Mifsud was not a hireling of the FBI. Of course, nobody ever claimed he was. Rather, he is suspected of being an agent of the Italian intel service with links to British intel, both used by the CIA as beards for its nefarious activities around its own election meddling of 2016. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s Democratic caucus has been busy with ersatz impeachment proceedings, which are invidiously scheduled to continue next week as a smokescreen to conceal the Horowitz findings. It’s been a frantic campaign for them at a fraught moment in this long saga — but the odor of desperation is thick and rank.

Of course, behind the Horowitz report loom the specters of Barr & Durham. Whatever they’ve been up to has been hermetically sealed in a globe of silence even more oppressive and nightmarish for the Dems than the IG’s inquiry. Barr & Durham are able to make things stick, most crucially genuine criminal culpability for the entire RussiaGate fiasco and all of its offshoots, including the most recent “Whistleblower” caper — a patently treasonous scheme. Who knows if and when indictments start raining down, but there’s a chance that it will be a very hard rain indeed.

I’m not so sure that the Democratic Party can survive the washing away of its beloved narrative by that hard rain. They are also faced with a field of manifestly lame presidential candidates, especially the current leader of the pack, Joe Biden, fumbling and doddering his way down the campaign trail in an apparent effort to dodge being investigated for the grifts of his Veep years. All this may be enough to put the party down, like a dog that has peed on the carpet one time too many. Somebody else, from some other hastily assembled party, may have to stand against Mr. Trump in 2020.

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424 Responses to “A Fraught Moment”

  1. shotho December 6, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    The Civil War was a struggle against the industrial interests of the North against the agrarian interests of the South; follow the money, with slavery as the putative reason.
    And the idea of the Democratic Party being anti-war is laughable. Check out the wars of Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson to find out how anti-militaristic the Democrats have been in the 20th Century.

    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 11:14 am #

      The Civil War was a struggle against the industrial interests of the North against the agrarian interests of the South; follow the money, with slavery as the putative reason.

      Thank you! I’m glad someone else wasn’t falling for that malarkey. “Conquering slavery” also played nicely into the emerging “American Exceptionalism” myth; although strangely, Americans, suffered no compunction whatsoever about enslaving and annihilating millions of Native Americans in the west and then brandishing them as team mascots for their silly professional sports teams in the aftermath. Funny that.

      The Dems will be back, you can bank on it, simply because the duopoly can’t function without them. The system relies on lies and counter lies to keep us all guessing, although if you pull back just a little and take a little longer view you can see how cleverly it’s all a zero sum game in the end. War party today, pseudo peace party tomorrow, pro little man, pro small business, pro corporate America, etc. It all comes and goes by turns. Same as it ever was. The whole sham democracy thing is just a smoke screen for a much larger and more malign agenda.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

        Yankee Slavers, both Jew and Gentile, didn’t cease their operations elsewhere during or after the war either. As long as no one saw, was the criterion of virtue.

        And of course the South had an anti-Slavery movement as well. It would have ended in time. It was bad for most Whites too after all.

        There could have been no America without the conquest and dispossession of the American Indian. You need to get real. And your numbers are vastly inflated, there simply weren’t that many of them above the Rio Grande.

        Andrew Jackson, surely one of our greatest presidents, was Anti-Bank, Anti-British, Anti-Indian, and Anti-Black.

        • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 12:55 pm #

          How many ever there were, it was still deliciously ironic that Americans who took so much pride in emancipating black slaves from the tyranny of their Southern masters (and then promptly re-enslaving them under burgeoning corporate tyranny in the north) had no trouble whatsoever in embracing what was left of the Native Americans in the west after they got through eradicating the most troubling ones. By your logic, the invading hordes we see today are entirely within their rights to expunge our culture as well, which they are of course in the process of doing as we speak. Ultimately, it’s not a race thing at all. It’s a wealth class thing, a greed thing, a power thing, and these days a globalist thing.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 5:12 pm #

            We’re close to the impasse, the breaking point, where either you break or your chains break and you attain Freedom.

            The word for World is War. Yes! We are the Indians now, and unless we unite and get serious we will share their fate. Your “morality” is misplaced here. Or rather, you are not seeing that as Jefferson said, the First Morality (I do not the only or last) is Survival.

            And the Indians slaughtered and dispossessed each other. And African Kings sold their own people. Your ethnomasochism is the epitome of evolutionary dysfunction. Or to put it another way, whom the Gods wish to kill, they first drive mad. Whites aren’t long for this World with this as the ruling ethos.

          • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

            Good points. But we’ve covered all this ground many times before. And I never agreed to or was consulted in any way about this Great White Ruling ethos you speak of, so I’m certainly not taking the blame for any of it. What you seem stubbornly resistant to realize is that this “Great White race” you speak of, assuming it was ever in any way “coherent” and actually acting in its own racial interests, has long since been dominated by the economic interests of a handful – which, credit where credit is due, it did invent, or at least heighten to previously unimaginable historic levels. Your Great White Race “brethren” have and will sell you and yours’ sorry asses to the highest bidder in the proverbial New York minute.

            Your focus on race, while I’m sure somehow “noble” to your basic idealist sensibilities, simply misses the point. I don’t chastise you for being immoral or in anyway a bad person, I just think you still don’t recognize who your true enemies are – even allowing for “the Tribe’s” malign influence. It just might be time to finally wake up and figure that out.

          • sleek111 December 7, 2019 at 8:04 am #


          • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

            Many times? You’re new here – or are you? Or are you part Indian, in which case no words would ever be enough since there is no debate possible “How terrible to realize that you are not debating a mind but a will” – Schopenhauer, approximately.

            I know exactly who the Enemy within is – the Judeo-Masons. And they use your precious minorities as both a sword and shield against us.

            And yes, everything has to change. We need to create a New Man – which is what National Socialism was all about. No? Then we’re finished and our children will be enslaved or become dhimmis.

            And No, I don’t think there’s much chance of Victory at this point. I write in preparation for the Next Civilization – if any. Hopefully we will drag our opponents down with us as we die. And that a Remnant will build on stone next time around – not the sands of vile profit and amusement.

        • venuspluto67 December 6, 2019 at 1:05 pm #

          I wouldn’t say that “there weren’t that many”, but it is certainly true that only about a third of Native Americans lived in what is now Canada and the USA. The other two-thirds did indeed live in the warmer climes south of the Rio Grande.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:24 pm #

            And those civilizations were unspeakably evil. How much Indians blood do you have? Otherwise, who cares? Only “who cares” can save us now. Because you see, they don’t matter – We do.

    • Luhrenloup December 6, 2019 at 11:43 am #

      Lincoln himself said he that if he had to choose between freeing the slaves and keeping the states united he would easily choose the country and keep the blacks in bondage.

      • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

        You pissed on the carpet and garbled the quote:

        “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

        Being as the nation was at war and since Lincoln was the President of a nation at war. Getting nitpicky about this is like impeaching Trump for no good reason.

        • Luhrenloup December 6, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

          I didn’t put it in quotation though, but the quote is excellent. I don’t know that many blacks would agree with your comments.

          • Luhrenloup December 7, 2019 at 12:03 pm #

            I have just finished a biography of Jefferson. Reading through his correspondence with colleagues and friends, the quality of language is incredible. The formality, the respect, the poetic cadence, it’s hard to believe we are speaking the same language today.

        • Exscotticus December 6, 2019 at 5:09 pm #

          >>> You pissed on the carpet and garbled the quote

          He paraphrased and got the meaning correct, to wit: Lincoln would have done anything to preserve the Union—even if that meant blacks remained in bondage.

          But this quote is tempered by the Gettysburg Address, in which Lincoln had to justify the mounting death toll with more than just preserving the Union.

      • sleek111 December 7, 2019 at 8:06 am #

        Please DON’T confuse us with the facts.

    • JMR December 6, 2019 at 12:45 pm #

      By “anti-war” I think JHK was referring to those few brief years when a bunch of hippies protested Vietnam because they didn’t want to get drafted. The protests faded away after the draft was done away with.

      • wet dog December 6, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

        If you’ve read about Laurel Canyon, then you’ll know that the hippies were originally a group of pedophiles and their victims who were put center stage, by the military and their media lackeys, so as to distract from the serious men protesting the Vietnam war. Serious men like ex-Vietnam Vets, journalists, and professors.

        Out of “nowhere” the hippies showed up on the national stage, heavily promoted by the media, and over-whelmed these serious men, who were hitting hard against the genocidal war. Instead, drugged out and vacuous “weirdos” (as they appeared to middle America) became the leaders of the protest movement, trying to strangle it.

        Dave McGowan’s book “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon” gives a deep dive into all of this: the formation of the hippies, and the influence the military had over the rock music scene. Note especially who implemented the Gulf of Tonkin false flag, and who his son was. That’ll widen your eyes.

        • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

          Kudos for the McGowan reference!

        • sleek111 December 7, 2019 at 8:11 am #

          The Ghost of the lizard king roams the earth for such as you !

  2. Minnie Van Horne December 6, 2019 at 10:27 am #

    Unfortunately, I think the Democrats will pull the plug on Uncle Joe’s campaign and we will never be able to enjoy the raucous comedy of the corrupt, senile old bastard going toe-to-toe against the Golden Golem of Greatness.

    If somehow the election is allowed to proceed as a mud-wrestling cage match between Plugs and BadOrangeMan, the collapse of the tottering Empire is going to be hilarious to behold.

    RRRRRRRRReady to RRRRRRRRumble!!!!

    • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 10:31 am #

      Not so sure. Given the epic gaffes as well as what we know about his activities in the Ukraine, the only logical answer is that he is running to avoid being prosecuted.

      I suspect he will ride it out as long as possible.

      • Minnie Van Horne December 6, 2019 at 10:36 am #

        I sure hope you’re right, because if Uncle Joe manages to hang in there against GGG until November, the world will be strip-mining freighter loads of Comedy Gold every bloody hour of every bloody day.

        • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 10:40 am #

          Try learning about roaches, my friend.

        • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 7:30 pm #

          The late night talk shows are already mining tons of comedy gold, Minnie, by talking about Trump. The opening dialogue on every one of the network talk shows is pretty much dedicated to the latest antics of the GGG. Biden, however, has gotta be worth a few chuckles too.

          • Nightowl December 9, 2019 at 6:45 am #

            The comedy gold lies in the fact that they are moonpie-faced corporate bots reading the lines they are told to read.

            So edgy.

      • Luhrenloup December 6, 2019 at 11:47 am #

        the NYTimes is now pushing Buttigieg, the least offensive and most manageable.

        • venuspluto67 December 6, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

          I have my doubts that a gay guy with “butt” in his name would stand that much of a chance of being taken seriously enough to get elected president. 🙂

          • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

            Also the fact that he’s another white guy.
            They’ve been claiming to be the party of women, but they shot down their most viable female candidate in 2008.

            Come to think of it, they shot down a viable black female candidate way back when.
            They thought whatshisname there was the best choice to challenge Nixon.

          • Luhrenloup December 6, 2019 at 2:53 pm #

            It’s hard to say at this point. I didn’t think a black man would stand a chance, but the times were such with W in the White House wanting to decimate all of the Middle East that a black man from a much maligned minority was surely going to put an end to that. He was even given the Nobel in that hope. And then the man doubled down. For sure, electing someone because of their race, their gender, their sexual proclivities is a dumb move.

            I don’t know what’s going to happen, but from where I sit I can’t see the crazies stomaching 4 more years of Trump. Something’s going to happen.

          • Epicur December 6, 2019 at 6:37 pm #

            “I have my doubts that a gay guy with “butt” in his name would stand that much of a chance of being taken seriously enough to get elected president.”

            Brings to mind “Turducken”. The first four letters are “turd” and they can’t figure out why people don’t want it.

    • venuspluto67 December 6, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

      Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia. Putting up somebody like Biden who is clearly a bit further along in that particular process removes a swing-voter’s primary reason to vote against Trump.

      • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

        It’s not clear to me, then.
        He’s one of the very few who sees what’s been going on, which is why he is Nancy’s worst nightmare.
        She’s right now regressing to her little girl Catholic roots.
        Also I believe this impeachment nonsense could be called a Hail Mary Pass on her part.
        Were President Trump actually senile, he would not and could not present a problem to thesxe people.

        • Nightowl December 9, 2019 at 6:59 am #

          Impossible. I heard he has a bad heart, is senile, racist, AND he gets bigger salt and pepper shakers than everyone else, right before serving them just one scoop of ice cream while he gets TWO.


      • benr December 6, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

        What you see as Dementia is clearly a tactic to throw off his rivals.

        While he is not a great speaker he is far better off the teleprompter than many of is former office holders.
        I have yet to see him digging for words and fumbling like Joe Biden who is now just painful to listen to.

        Nancy Pelosi also seems to be falling down the Dementia well.

        Some of this is also simply being well past the age of 50.

        • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 7:37 pm #

          Ronald Reagan was suffering the ill effects of old age in the last years of his presidency. I remember a few times the news showed images of him fast asleep in cabinet meetings. It didn’t seem to matter at the time. My guess is that Nancy was running the show with a little help from her friends. Whatever, they seemed to pull it off.

          • draupnir December 6, 2019 at 8:24 pm #

            That is why his second term was so much better than his first.

          • Majella December 7, 2019 at 6:27 pm #

            Pappy Bush’s actual first term.

        • messianicdruid December 7, 2019 at 11:41 am #

          Did you catch the part about “Nine years, our 13 years, or 17 years” ?

          He was talking about getting re-elected. No serious reason, at all, for saying this.

  3. JustSaying December 6, 2019 at 10:28 am #

    What is the Democratic Party today? Well, it’s the cheerleading squad for “seventeen” government agencies that add up to the craftily-labeled “intel community,” a warm-and-fuzzy coalition of snoops, false witnesses, rogue lawfare cadres, seditionists, and bad-faith artists working sedulously to hide their previous misdeeds with ever-fresh ones. They’re the party against free speech, the party against due process of law, the party determined to provoke war with Russia. They’re the party of sexual confusion, sexual hysteria, and sexual conflict, the party of kangaroo courts, cancel culture, erasing boundaries (including national borders), and of making up rules for all that as they go along — like the Nazis and Soviets used to do.

    That about sums its up. I would like to add historical revisionism, histrionics, psychological projection, and general stupidity.

    • JustSaying December 6, 2019 at 10:30 am #

      I would correct my grammar, but that would just add more carbon to the planet.

      • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm #

        JS–I did not notice any grammatical errors, and as to the carbon pollution, well, every time any of us hit a key on our keyboards, a microscopically small amount of energy is used up, so yes that is adding to the CO2 in the atmosphere, but, compared to Al Gore flying in a jet from NYC to LA, it’s nothing. NOTHING! So enough with the guilt tripping already.

        This was one of Jim’s best CFN posts. There’s so much wrong with the Democratic Party that it’s not easy to enumerate it all in a few paragraphs, but our host got it done.

        The one nice thing about the Iowa Democratic caucuses, which I have denounced as dysfunctional and corrupt, is that we can introduce resolutions to be considered at the state convention for the party platform.

        I may propose something commonsense but sure to outrage the Social Justice Warriors: In order to protect innocent children, the practice of sex-reassignment through surgery or hormone treatments for minors under the age of 21 should be made a felony.

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 3:31 pm #

          Another well reasoned post I agree with 100%.
          Accept I would say age 26 which is where children fall off the Obamacare contract.

          • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 7:39 pm #

            I’m guessing you meant “Except” .

          • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 10:56 pm #

            Good point, benr. I will raise the minimum age to 26.

          • benr December 7, 2019 at 10:07 am #


            Indeed I did.
            I guess my early onset of Dementia is showing or I am over the ripe old age of 50 as well.

  4. CancelMyCard December 6, 2019 at 10:30 am #

    “Who knows if and when indictments start raining down, but there’s a chance that it will be a very hard rain indeed.”

    I wouldn’t get your hopes up too high about this happening. They are all part of the same club, and each may castigate the opposite party, but when the rubber hits the road, they are all part of the same team.

    • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 10:34 am #

      Aside from Trump and his supporters, who they are trying desperately to destroy.

  5. BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 10:38 am #

    I think Mike Bloomberg has come to the same conclusion as Jim in this blog, which is why he threw his hat in the ring. There could be other reasons too.

    • Lawfish December 6, 2019 at 11:07 am #

      Gun-grabber Bloomberg is making the same stupid mistake as everyone else in the Democratic party since 2016, namely, it’s a contest among them all to see who hates Trump the most. Not exactly a recipe for cross-over votes.

      • cc rider December 6, 2019 at 11:15 am #

        Yeah, ol’ Mike even went to Arizona and said that we need MORE immigrants.

        Keep talking Mike. Waste your billions on ads. Oh sure….you have a chance. Lol….

        • BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 11:23 am #

          I think he is a capable administrator, and did a pretty good job as mayor of NYC (one of the toughest jobs in the country IMHO)

          His gun control efforts are a little hypocritical, seeing as how he himself maintains a permanent pivate 19 man armed security detail, but would deny us the means to protect ourselves.


          • cc rider December 6, 2019 at 11:39 am #

            Yes he may very well be a capable administrator. He is obviously waaaaaay out of touch with most of the US. He wasted untold millions on a campaign to get the country to change its mind about gun control several years ago. It ended in utter defeat. Just like his campaign will end.

          • Jigplate December 6, 2019 at 12:46 pm #

            He is a horrible administrator. Take it from me , a 32 year veteran of the NYC public school system that mayor Mike gutted with nothing to show for it after 15 years , except a bloated unsustainable level of leadership. Seriously, what industry in America has had a 1000% increase in mid level management? Yeah, great administrator.

        • BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 1:20 pm #

          “He is a horrible administrator” — Jigplate

          This is why I like this board., many different opinions, but opinions based upon direct experience and in some cases, expertise.


          • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

            I don’t know why the mayor is anywhere near the schools in that city.
            For some reason, New Yorkers seem to think politicians can do it better than trained educators.
            Right now, they have a Communist mayor working hard to make the NYC schools more like the ones in Communist countries.

          • draupnir December 6, 2019 at 8:29 pm #

            From all indications, the schools in Communist countries are superior.

        • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 7:42 pm #

          Basically he’s just another Billionaire Prick trying to buy the Presidency. With everything else in DC for sale, He might be able to do it too.

        • abbybwood December 6, 2019 at 7:46 pm #

          I hope Bloomberg keeps running and spending his billions right up until the convention in July of 2020.

          This way when they allow him to speak at 1 a.m. like they did with Dennis Kucinich, he will honestly be able to claim, “I am a job creator!!!”.


      • benr December 6, 2019 at 11:39 am #

        I do like his tv add I just wish he was not so corrosively totalitarian in his style of governance.
        When the nanny state starts telling you what size soda you can have what else do they have planned for you and your own good?

        • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:17 pm #

          Another way to look at it is, corporations should not be selling products that do the public harm. They should not be promoting any product in a way that misuses a product. Such as Big Gulps servings of pop which promote diabetes.

          We have been down this road before. In the 70’s we had the food and beverage industry push a crying Indian at us who actually was a guy from Sicily.

          It is up to you to do your part to stop litter his TV ad said.

          This ad transferred the onus of responsibility to the public away from the producer. Now we have a planet drowning in plastic and litter. At least of half of everything made winds up being single use packaging which is then thrown away. The result is now we live in a nutball world.

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm #

            And you want more of the same.

          • benr December 6, 2019 at 12:33 pm #

            You miss the individual freedom point altogether and go straight for the strawman and I am sure he does not like where you bit him.

            Are you pretending you grow all your own food and live a disposable package free life?
            We all know that is bullshit.

            For the record I don’t a lot of drink soda unless it has rum in it.
            I’m a water guy all the way.
            Coke and rum yum
            Sailor Jerry, ginger ale and a twist of lime. double yum.
            Wild Turkey on the rocks!
            All in my Yeti tumbler which has been used several thousand times to include when I go into a store for that very rare on the road Coca Cola to keep me awake or the road coffee.

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

            You are smart enough to make an informed choice. Not everyone is.

          • Billy Hill December 6, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

            “Corporations should not be selling products that do the public harm…”

            It is with great amusement that we discover:

            “Starbucks’ venti-sized Signature Caramel Hot Chocolate with whipped cream and oat milk was the worst offender on the market, containing the equivalent of 23 teaspoons of sugar, and 758 calories. Venti cups are 20 ounces (590 ml).”

            Howard, How Dare You?

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:15 pm #

            Billy, a Signature Caramel Hot Chocolate costs? I really don’t know. A 16 ounce Grande regular drip costs $2.70. I no longer justify that if I am less than five miles from home where I can make my own much cheaper. I shudder at the thought of how much a Signature Caramel Hot Chocolate must cost.

            Even people laying about Starbucks all day long who try to hire each other on LinkedIn can’t afford many. Not enough to get diabetes, can they? If the sugar is cane sugar then it is high in fructose. If Starbucks does not use corn syrup they might act in the public good. I don’t know if they have a commitment to public health, I suspect they only care about the $2.70.

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

            Ooops should be Sucrose. Fructose is the stuff that is good for birds and bad for humans. I think birds metabolize it OK and we can metabolize Sucrose OK.

            Cane sugar is 60% sucrose and 40% fructose. Corn syrup switches that ratio around making for a 20% difference. That difference is enough to decimate human health. The results of a 45 year long experiment on the American people are in and corn syrup should be taxed. Taxed like hell. Their lobbyists lied, said it was safe they did. Now it is time to pay.

          • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:39 pm #

            If they want to hinder the sale of products that do the public harm, first show us the science behind the harm.
            Where are the studies that prove the soda is causing the obesity epidemic.
            We had a billionaire telling us that people in his neighborhood didn’t drink soda, and were not fat; ergo, soda makes you fat.

            That isn’t even Victorian era science.

            Then, with his large soda ban, what he proposed was that in movie theaters, patrons would not be allowed to buy the largest size container of beverage.
            They would only be allowed to get a smaller size, and would still be able to go back for more, the idea being the inconvenience would act as a deterrent to the grown men who consume soda.

            Hey, at least he didn’t require monitors who would smack the cup out of their hands when they’d reached their limit.

            This is also the genius who was against universal breakfast in the city’s schools, because what if some child got away with eating at home and at school as well?

            He defended his crazy soda edict by saying if the health of New Yorkers wasn’t the mayor’s job, he didn’t know what was. I could not agree more.

            BTW, soda does NOT contain sugar. If they want to coerce people out of consuming a product, at least NAME the product correctly.

          • Billy Hill December 6, 2019 at 2:22 pm #

            Everyone should read the first section of Michael Pollan’s The Omnivore’s Dilemma wherein he discusses CORN.

            (He divides the book into general divisions based on the sources of four meals, three of which he prepares himself:
            1. Factory/BigAg/CORN 2. Industrial Organic 3. Regenerative/local 4. Hunted/Gathered The factory farm meal is from McDonald’s.)

            High Fructose Corn Syrup, for which we can thank Japanese scientists, is just the tip of the corn iceberg.

          • Ishabaka December 6, 2019 at 4:49 pm #

            I was using a screwdriver once, and it slipped and gouged my left thumb. We need to ban screwdrivers, they harm people.

        • abbybwood December 6, 2019 at 7:49 pm #


          “My security guards can pack heat to protect ME and my family, but screw you.”

          I honestly cannot imagine ten people ever voting for him.

          • benr December 7, 2019 at 10:09 am #

            I said the same of Hillary and when Trump announced his run.

            May you live in interesting times. A Chinese curse.

    • PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 11:32 am #

      I can’t envision Bloomberg ever getting past about 1% of the demo voters out there. The base of the demo party are mao-esque wokesters, or racists with a false sense of entitlement because of century old historical grievances.

      We’ll see what happens when the voting in the demo primaries begin. I still think Warren will probably be their nominee. She has the right mix of power hungry sociopathy to make it work.

      • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 4:08 pm #

        Bloomberg’s also got the “plutocrat Jew thing,” hanging over his head, which ain’t no small deal out here in Bible Belt land. He’s not the worst candidate they could put up, but I doubt he’s electable at this late date. HRC’s the dark horse in the race this time around, just like she wants it. She’s going to play it closer to the vest this time, relying on the fact that many Trump supporters have either openly defected or at least softened in their support in the last four years. The rest of the D field is obliging her ambitions by punching themselves out early and clearing the decks of opposition. Her goal is to seem inevitable in the end.

        • abbybwood December 6, 2019 at 7:54 pm #

          I thought she was “inevitable” last time?!

          I still watch The Young Turks election night coverage from 2016 to show the totally corrupted Hillary Clinton’s “inevitability” vanishing into thin air.

          Really fun video to watch when you are feeling down or can’t sleep.


          • Nightowl December 7, 2019 at 2:01 pm #

            Same. It is indeed hilarious. Also funny was when Alex Jones crashed their set a few years back. Chunk was about to fight him.

    • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:23 pm #

      I think Liz got a little too crazy Socialist about confiscating wealth or whatever.
      They can’t have that.

      • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:27 pm #

        Do you think it is a monthly affliction that comes and goes or does she suffer all the time?

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

          She is way past the expiration date for it to be monthly episodes of temporary insanity.

  6. James Kuehl December 6, 2019 at 10:41 am #

    Pardon the simile–I’m wired to reach for them. Kunstler is like a sound engineer at a 30-channel mixing board in a studio full of lunatic players. He knows how to cut out the noise clutter and enhance the theme so it’s intelligible. That’s no small feat in this cacophonous mess.

    • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:46 pm #

      Yes, he sorts it all out and pulls it together. With style.
      I’m not used to seeing expository writing of that caliber anymore.

    • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm #

      A clever and apt simile, James Kuehl. My attempts to lavish well-deserved praise on JHK are but faint in compaison.

      • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 1:50 pm #


        • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 2:11 pm #


          • sprawlcapital December 6, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

            If only there were some way to edit or delete our comments after they are posted.

          • messianicdruid December 7, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

            I’ll bet JHKs keyboard doesn’t work that way.

  7. oilie December 6, 2019 at 10:46 am #

    The Wash Post has printed an article that says that Durham cannot confirm any malfeasance on the part of the FBI or Intel agencies. That may be the case, but not for a lack of evidence. The origins of the Steele dossier, its selective leaking and its handling by Clapper, Brennan and Comey have been well documented. The only questions remaining are whether Durham and Barr have the will to call them to account. From what I have seen of DC in a long lifetime, hard rains rarely ever wash over those in most need of cleansing, but we should not have to wait much longer to see. In the meantime a grand impeachment farce will continue to provide entertainment.

    • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 1:54 pm #

      The WAPO is the mouthpiece of part of the Swamp, but I forget which part. State Department, maybe?
      I really should keep notes.

      • abbybwood December 6, 2019 at 7:58 pm #

        Intell. CIA.

        Think Bezos and his $600 million cloud deal with CIA.

  8. TiredOfTheTreadmill December 6, 2019 at 10:48 am #

    All of this crap is old hat for those who didn’t have allergic reactions to any and all in the tin foil hat conspiracy crowd who have talked about such notions for a long time. Other than Jim’s great word choice, all of this is old hat to many of us who figured this was standard operating procedure in the upper echelons.

    Many in the anarchist and conspiracy crowd already knew this system had built in stops to keep any change of significance from occuring. It’s all just on display for those willing to see it.

  9. cc rider December 6, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Steve Bannon has got me fired up looking forward to the upcoming Senate trial. Schiff and Pelosi both will be having a very bad January…..


  10. chet_the_farmer December 6, 2019 at 10:54 am #

    Mr. Kunstler,
    Have been reading your content since The Long Emergency and find you to be one of the best writers around, on any topic.

    You also have a very rare skill with the English language which puts you above most other writers.

    So may I suggest that you get rid of the comments section here at CFN?

    The comments are usually not well written, and many contain the rantings of some very dim bulbs.
    The quality of your writing seems tarnished (like the streets in San Francisco) when in proximity to the comments section of CFN.

    I believe in free-speech, but compared to what you publish the comments section is mostly noise and does not seem to add any value to your content or topic.

    I know you have to spend time monitoring the comments, and that seems like an effort you are not compensated for. When I think of someone of your writing caliber having to slog through the text-message-like comments from the sheeple I know you have better things to do with your time an emotions.

    Keep up the good work.

    • cc rider December 6, 2019 at 10:57 am #

      Here’s an idea chet……..Don’t read the comments.

    • Walter B December 6, 2019 at 10:59 am #

      Chet makes a good point, especially once the comments degrade into petty personal mud slinging. As far as today’s post goes Mr. K, if the democratic dog has peed on the rug one time too many, perhaps it is time to put the NT Times to it’s best use and soak it up!

      Unfortunately for us all, far too many in the American public are far too easily manipulated by the powers of technology and look at what is playing out every day as entertainment and not the collapse of empire. By the time they realize the truth, it will be too late.

    • Minnie Van Horne December 6, 2019 at 11:03 am #

      As a matter of personal taste, I think some of Mr. Kunstler’s readers (you know who you are) who feel compelled to post 60 or 70 comments after each of his magnificent essays could profit from a bit of self-editing.

      • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:01 pm #

        Many of my mistakes are a result of self editing. I try to improve something and in so doing introduce a new mistake which my mind then reads over and I can’t spot. It drives me crazy abut that is part of getting better. Once Jim sent me an email:

        K-Dog your writing drives me crazy, it is hard to follow because you do xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Do yyyyyyyyyyyyy instead.

        He knows I have been taking his advice to heart. This is a good time to thank him.

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

          Mine is interruption driven and tangle finger syndrome on the keyboard.
          I lose that train of thought and bam we have a rambling mess.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

        Every time I see your name I think of Mamie Van Burren and then President Van Burren. The Mind works by association. Not all fast drivers are bad drivers and not all slow drivers are good.

        • Minnie Van Horne December 7, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

          Please never speak of the Van Burens to Minnie! Ever since my great-great-great-great grandfather Ingmar had that dustup with the President on the South Lawn over some horse-racing debts, my people have refused to talk to those arrivistes.

      • Q. Shtik December 6, 2019 at 1:40 pm #

        readers (you know who you are) who feel compelled to post 60 or 70 comments – Minnie


        Some data from the prior thread: Majella posted 165 comments, KesaAnna 29 and Benr 62. The jousting of Majella and Kesa was absolutely profound…………..NOT!!!!!

        • Majella December 7, 2019 at 6:46 pm #

          Yeah, well, Kesa jams a LOT of words into her posts, and generally makes a bitter salad.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 8:13 pm #

          “Jousting”??? it was worse than herding cats.

    • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 11:05 am #

      “Most” of the comments are “noise,” chirped the Shareblue mockingbird.

    • Lawfish December 6, 2019 at 11:12 am #

      “Mr. Kunstler,
      [I] Have been reading your content since The Long Emergency and find you to be one of the best writers around, on any topic.

      You also have a very rare skill with the English language[,] which puts you above most other writers.

      So[,] may I suggest that you get rid of the comments section here at CFN?

      The comments are usually not well[-]written, and many contain the rantings of some very dim bulbs.
      The quality of your writing seems tarnished (like the streets in San Francisco) when in proximity to the comments section of CFN.

      I believe in free-[no hyphen needed here] speech, but compared to what you publish[,] the comments section is mostly noise and does not seem to add any value to your content or topic.

      I know you have to spend time monitoring the comments, and that seems like an effort you are not compensated for [End a sentence with a preposition much?]. When I think of someone of your writing caliber having to slog through the text-message-like comments from the sheeple I know you have better things to do with your time an[d] emotions.

      Keep up the good work.”

      There. Fixed it for you.

      • Farmer McGregor December 6, 2019 at 12:06 pm #

        Lawfish, are you actually old Q in disguise?

        • Lawfish December 6, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

          No, I’m just a lawyer who reads and writes all day long. The quality of writing I see in my own profession is pathetic. I just like to get a good jab at someone who criticizes the quality of comments on this site. I personally find this site to have some of the highest quality commentary of any around, much like that of John Michael Greer.

          • Farmer McGregor December 6, 2019 at 1:50 pm #

            I appreciate your concern for quality writing; I am often disgusted by the illiteracy that pervades our society — especially among professionals who ought to know better. The increasing dependence on spell-check and auto-correct software only makes it worse. This brings to mind the following statement which I suspect you will appreciate:

            “Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl yore mistakes.”

          • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:05 pm #

            I think someone might be eager to see comments go away, not from low quality, but because they add to Mr. Kunstler’s analysis.
            I don’t know how you can have a discussion without discussion.
            I enjoy goos writing as much as anyone, but we can’t all be writers of Mr. Kunstler’s caliber, and good writing ability does not equate to having something worthwhile to get across.

            I was an A student in English. When I am looking at a screen, thinking about another person’s remarks that I’m responding to, and typing on a keyboard, I make errors that I would never in a million years make otherwise.

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 2:09 pm #

            JMG can have good comments. JMG screens but he has some decency about it, if not 100% decency. Another author you may know heavily screens so comments only pass which can become part of his brand. Website owners can do what they want and their blogs are their world. They are the boss. But screening is something worth mentioning. Some ways to do it are good, some not so much.

          • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 2:14 pm #


            If you are trying to make your writing better you will get better. But only with practice can you get better. Mistakes are like waves in the ocean. They never really go away.

    • benr December 6, 2019 at 11:27 am #

      Perspective differ.

      Some sites have chosen to take down the comments section and get a lot less traffic as a result.
      MSNBC for one took down the traffic and anyone who read that comments section saw it was full blown verbal warfare.

      I believe they took the comments section down not because people were nasty to each but because many of the posters shredded what MSNBC attempted to call news and truth with simple fact and common sense.

      Foxnews still has a comments section that is so busy it causes problems when typing.
      They have a diverse group of posters some actually bring opposing views worth reading.

      Comments sections drive traffic period end of story.

      • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:11 pm #

        I was reading an interesting article the other day, about a topic that has concerned me for some time, the sub-prime auto loan bubble, and the idea that it is about to burst.
        I learned as much if not more from the comments after the article than I did from reading the article.
        For one, I learned how many more people were aware of the various facets of the rackets around the automobile industry than I thought.

        O/T, I just leaned that the recall notice I got for my car’s air bag isn’t a redundant one for the repairs I had done a few years back. There’s a recall on the recall. They don’t have the parts to fix it yet, though.

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 3:13 pm #

          Takata appears to be having some real issues for cars bought between 1995 and 2000.

          Bankrupt air bag maker Takata is recalling about 1.4 million driver’s side inflators in the U.S. because they could explode and hurl shrapnel. They also may not inflate properly to protect people in a crash. The recall covers certain BMW, Volkswagen, Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishi vehicles made from 1995 to 2000.

      • Majella December 7, 2019 at 6:52 pm #

        Benr- a genuine ‘thank you’ for using grammar & punctuation just there. It makes a huge difference to meaning and eases comprehension.

    • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 11:28 am #

      Maybe you should spend a little more time on that back 40 that’s all weeds, instead of reading the comments section here.

      • benr December 6, 2019 at 11:35 am #

        We find common ground and agreement.

        • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 11:52 am #

          Lawfish complaining about comments in a comment is a wee bit two faced.

          Lawfish, you just doxed yourself. Now we know you are Trudeau.

          • Lawfish December 6, 2019 at 12:36 pm #

            I didn’t complain about comments, just posted some grammatical correction. If you read above, I find the commentary here to be well written and well worth reading.

      • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:18 pm #

        Speaking of the back 40, Crazy Old Joe challenged an elderly farmer to a pushup contest.
        My money is on the farmer.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

      Good ol’ Chet. Almost all the comment boards have been shut down or moderated to the point of irrelevance. But still “Chet” is not satisfied. People have to be made to seem to agree. Appearance is all for Chet!

      • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 1:01 pm #

        As I tried to indicate in my rather sarcastic comment earlier, I suspect it has far more to do with pushing JHK to the margin for not backing The Narrative.

        If there are no comments, there is less engagement and noone would ever read how many somewhat left-leaning folks (I assume most here are, outside of a few), agree with what is written here.

        I spent enough time in DC politics to know how the Shareblue & co. smear operation works, and where I come from, JHK was as popular as Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, and any other writer just on the edge of the mainstream with leftish to somewhat leftish views on many issues.

        This is one of the few respectable sites left (in my world at least) where there is relatively free and open discussion of controversial issues, and that does not sit well with the Party of Censorship and likeminded totalitarians across the spectrum.

    • andeee December 7, 2019 at 9:41 am #

      I couldn’t agree more.

    • messianicdruid December 7, 2019 at 12:40 pm #

      “The comments are usually not well written, and many contain the rantings of some very dim bulbs.”

      So folks like JHK and yourself benefit from the comparison, relax.

  11. PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 10:59 am #

    “All this may be enough to put the party down, like a dog that has peed on the carpet one time too many. Somebody else, from some other hastily assembled party, may have to stand against Mr. Trump in 2020.”

    great ending there! LOL

    • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 11:45 am #

      Yes, sometimes the carpet has to go. Political parties of imaginary people have no place in the American experiment. Corporations are imaginary people. Founding fathers wanted the public deciding. Not paper people with the rights of real people. The Democratic party, the Republican party. These parties are the parties of imaginary people. Imaginary people controlled by a few very rich very real people. It is past time to change things up. The best of us have honed our abilities to make a future that works. W will put community first, now we must take back our nation from the self-serving few who took it away. There are still some of us who remember how to make America great. A hard rain can leave the air fresh and clean. Those of us who remember must bring in a fresh breeze.

      • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 11:46 am #

        We will put community first.

      • PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 11:50 am #

        “Corporations are imaginary people. ”

        you are right, that’s a great point.

        • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:20 pm #

          I agre with that.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:47 pm #

        Yeah, real people like those who can’t think or who only vote for more gibs – and that includes corporate types. Or real people like illegal immigrants.

        The Qualified are People too, dog.

  12. Opie December 6, 2019 at 11:02 am #

    I learn more about the zeitgeist of our fellow citizens in the comment sections of blogs that still allow it than anywhere else. Jim, please don’t change a thing!

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:50 pm #

      Great point. Another reason not to change. This is the American Soapbox. Where else wouldl I teach but here? Public schools – to be stoned by spitballs thrown by dark hands moved by minds that will never be illuminated?

      • elysianfield December 6, 2019 at 2:17 pm #

        “… to be stoned by spitballs thrown by dark hands moved by minds that will never be illuminated”


        • debt December 6, 2019 at 4:36 pm #

          …and strafed by paper airplanes.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

            Damn those Fokkers.

          • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:10 pm #

            “Damn those Fokkers….”

            I believe the preferred term is “Mother Fokkers….”

  13. wm5135 December 6, 2019 at 11:03 am #

    …..and the 600 million dollars plus we have earmarked for the DOD in the current national budget is really about national defense.

    The national conversation has been reduced to semaphore.

  14. PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 11:21 am #

    What’s just as important is what happens post-Trump. The guy will go, either next year or 5 years down the road. He won’t be there forever, and there will be a democrat in the WH again– maybe not right away after Trump leaves office, but at some point down the road. I’d love to see the ‘other’ parties out there get more play, but as everybody who has either been involved with the ‘other’ political parties– the duopoly has the deck stacked in their favor.

    So, what happens? I think the game of thrones in DC there gets ratcheted up again– as the repubs call for impeachment & removal immediately on whoever the demos slip into the WH. I think that’s one of the takeaways from 2016. What has fundamentally changed since 2016 is the use of the arms of the permanent federal bureaucracy by politicians to wage war for political power against their opponents. This is very, very dangerous. The repubs have just as many allies in the deep state as the demos. So, the US might find itself in a situation where a number of agencies that side with foreign policy aims start struggling against a number of agencies opposed to it. I don’t think its to the level of bloodshed yet, but certainly the CIA or FBI vs. the DoD (as an example)– with these agencies using dirty tricks & subterfuge against each other. I think it could happen easily. The FBI & CIA have been engaged in conflict with the Trump admin. already, so– what would stop him from getting his own set of spooks?

    • benr December 6, 2019 at 11:30 am #

      The rule of law being used by the lawless of course.

      • PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 11:48 am #

        It’s make believe. The charge against Trump is for bribery (I believe). So, how can a bribe happen when nothing was offered, or gained– by either party in the supposed bribe?
        How does that work? LOL

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 12:39 pm #

          Obviously they are massaging what bribery means.
          How can one be accused of taking bribes when you take no money?
          The very idea of foreign policy and aid at this point is paying other governments to do what we want them to do.
          If that is illegal then every President since we started this process should be impeached as well as both houses.

          The idiot Democrats have opened another can of worms with this impeach for anything nonsense.
          We will now be forced to watch this charade until enough of we the electorate says BASTA!

          • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:26 pm #

            They are like the diner whose card keeps getting rejected after an expensive restaurant meal.
            They keep pulling out another one, hoping against all they know to the contrary, that this one just might work.

          • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:23 am #

            Benr – “Obviously they are massaging what bribery means”.

            No. On a purely non-partisan legal definition of ‘quid pro quo’ & ‘bribery’ mean, no-one (‘they’ – who exactly?) has massaged the meaning.


            The corrupt part of the definition is the pursuit of PRIVATE benefit from a position of public trust. Thus, when the ‘quo’ of the ‘quid pro quo’ is a PUBLIC benefit (or National Security issue), it is not considered bribery.

          • benr December 8, 2019 at 10:18 am #


            I know its confusing because the coup loving Democrats have attempted to change the narrative as to why Trump should be impeached several times now.
            The last I had heard was bribery since they can’t really find any high crimes or misdemeanors they think foreign aid is bribery or the threat of with holding it.
            How ever this has been done over and over since the concept of handing out American tax payer money to foreign governments was conceived.

            Rational people would now not believe anything coming from the anti-Trumpers after the Russia Russia Russia narrative crumbled to dust.

          • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:16 pm #

            benr – did you READ the legal definition I linked to?


            If you didn’t, do so now. If you did, read it again.

          • Majella December 8, 2019 at 8:22 pm #

            “I know its confusing because the coup loving Democrats have attempted to change the narrative as to why Trump should be impeached several times now.”

            I thought we’d got past ‘snarky’…

            But anyway, this ‘coup-loving Democrats’ trope is getting a bit shop-worn, isn’t it?

            And “Russia Russia Russia crumbled to dust”. Did it?

            I have to admit AG Barr did a resoundingly brilliant knee-cap job on it, but then SC Mueller had already tied its ankles up with bowing to the legal fiction that “a President cannot be indicted while in office” malarkey.

            That report remains on the record and a day of reckoning may yet come on the myriad obstruction charges. Then again, probably not…just as these two highly anticipated IG reports will leave Jim – and you, I’d wager – horribly disappointed, these next couple of weeks.

  15. K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 11:27 am #

    I’m not so sure that the Democratic Party can survive the washing away of its beloved narrative by that hard rain.

    The way you started out today makes it clear that washed away by a hard rain would not be a bad thing. A new phoenix can’t rise with soiled wings. Let the deluge begin and the wings made clean.

    • benr December 6, 2019 at 11:31 am #

      I agree hopefully the DNC is dismantled and rises as something more sane, coherent and friendly to the common person.

      • EvelynV December 6, 2019 at 5:21 pm #

        The converse of how the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt has sunken to be a party void of people who respect honor, morality, or those who care about the common man.

        • benr December 6, 2019 at 7:43 pm #

          One would hope that the collapse of one would quickly bring about the complete collapse of the other and the restructuring of both more to the center and sanity.

        • Billy Hill December 8, 2019 at 9:00 pm #

          “…has sunken…”

          Need we say more?

          • EvelynV December 9, 2019 at 3:58 am #

            Billy Hill, thank you. I appreciate your correction.

            It’s the reason I love Q. Shtik so much. This place wouldn’t be the same without him would it?

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

      And nothing purifies like fire. But I suppose if the rain is hard enough – as in like acid – it could do the trick.

      Remember Eden? The fruit was deadly and grass burned the skin. But so beautiful. Is that what you want? A world without people or just a few pony tail types? You would go mad without any conservatives to slander or Blacks to worship.

  16. JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 11:39 am #

    I think I hear a good description of what has ripped JHK out of the Democratic Party. They are opposed to the USA as it has been and want to socialize most of what is still capitalistic.

    I do not understand why it has happened, how folks out there have become anti-American, And lots of them. I wonder how many of them really understand what the pitchmen they support are ready to do to them.

    The country had two parties, the Dems supported the “working class” and the GOP supported the business side of things. Dems supported the have-nots and the GOP the haves. Another way to say it is that the Dems support people that are struggling up the ladder to economic security, and the GOP protects the economic stability of those that have made it. Think both of their attitude on taxes.

    Along about 1990’s, something happened that corrupted the Democrats and started them on the pathway to internationalism and power being number one over the needs of the working class. HRC And WJC comes to mind. Obama shows up, the great hope of the new Democratic ideal, and finds out that other than minorities and treasonous Whites, there was not much support for the old Democratic ideals. Think Union support on this one.

    The real culprits however are not even Dems, the Bushes. Our country ran well for a long time because the political pendulum swung back and forth and allows both inputs, liberal and conservative, to have effects on the government according to the needs of the moment. The Bushes, both RINOs, allowed the country to drift left unimpeded for thirty years. The rest of their cadre joined right in.

    Trump and his Tea Party residual is all that is left to try to center the ship of state. Without his ability to counter the jerks in the Deep State, this country would be under the control of a foreign led government, the Deep State.

    • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 12:54 pm #

      This is the beginning of a good stand-up comedy routine. Now add some funny shit. Throw in a bit of ‘the-hills-are-alive-with-the-sound-of-music to lighten it up.

      It is not anti-Amercan to desire the ship of state not hit an iceberg. It is not socialist to want a nation where everyone can work and earn enough to follow a few dreams. Earning enough to go out with dignity by doing your part. It is not socialist to take care of the poor. It is unAmerican to kiss the ass of corporate people who are not even real. UnAmerican are those who do the bidding of these ghost people and promote capitalism as the god they do. For a crumb of ambrosia they sell their souls.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 1:07 pm #

        So stop developing the high tech that replace human workers – or don’t stop and plan for the utter transformation into a leisure society and the joys and problems that will come with it.

        But you folks will do neither. All too human despite your high IQ’s….

        • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:42 pm #

          It is tough out there.

          A man has to do what a man has to do. You know that.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:32 am #

          ‘So stop developing the high tech that replace human workers ‘

          You might as well demand that the wind stops blowing or the sun quits shining.

          Any ideas on how to ‘stop developing high tech’?

      • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 10:00 pm #

        This is nonsense.

        We are now celebrating the lowest unemployment and highest labor utilization rates in 50 years.

        Taking care of the poor is one thing, Trying to lift them from poverty is another. The poor folks do not hire people, do not cause wealth growth, socialism is the same, it does not enrich anything, it makes everyone poorer.

        Ask yourself this, if your hated corporations did not exist, who would pay employees, pay into insurance programs, pay into pensions, and provide the taxes that we All pay. The socialists, you will notice, want to tax the wealthy to pay for all the dependent people. What is going to happen when those same socialists run out of rich people to hit up? They are going to come after you.

        That is what destroys socialist states, robbing the wealth makers beyond sensibility.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:42 am #

          JohnAZ, take a closer look at the social democracies. They are capitalistic in structure in economic terms. Yet they have high social cohesion, ‘happiness ratings’ and enjoy very low corruption.

          This is mainly due to the balancing effects of a social and legal infrastructure that reduces inequality across the board. One can still be extremely wealthy in these nations, and poverty is never entirely vanquished.

          But the rich Swedes, Norwegians, Finns and Danes are not abandoning their homelands because of high taxes, which is one of the central arguments touted hereabouts as to why the Uber-rich should be left alone.

      • messianicdruid December 7, 2019 at 1:34 pm #

        “It is not socialist to take care of the poor.”

        But when your church IS the goober mint, it becomes socialist.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 1:04 pm #

      There is One Party – the Deep State. The so called Republicans are just the White Boy party, professional losers who follow the Harlem Globetrotters around. But they do still look after their own interests with all the “conservative” stuff there as a blind. And their “dads” own the franchise to begin with.

      In your little comedy, the Corporations should all be Republican since they are all about making money. But the exact opposite is true. Your View of America and Life are simply wrong.

      In less allegorical language: the Republicans and “conservatives” accepted the Left as their moral authority a long time ago. Thus we have legions of bozos claiming that the Communist Martin Luther King was a conservative. Such self deception is odious. Far better to admit that you lost the Culture War and it’s time to retreat into the catacombs or go the Amish route of isolation. But the Owner Class, the Saints of Ambition in your book, have no real interest in morality or conserving anything like that. It’s all just poison candy for the John Azes of the world.

      • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:35 pm #

        Go the Amish route of isolation.

        Can we pass go and collect $200 on our way?

      • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 7:05 pm #


        Your routine use of the slur “communist” gives you away. It’s a mid-20th century thought-stopper that serves no other purpose than to remind people that the once “mighty” US once feared communist Russia so much that it built it’s entire culture on being its antithesis. It was all, of course, a magnificent lie constructed at much expense, snookering many all too gullible generations; which makes it all that much more ironic now that the formerly “triumphant” west is failing even more spectacularly now with no “communist” enemies in sight to blame it on.

        In short: you need to update your references, and indeed, your paradigms man! Your racism is understandable, if somewhat misguided at times; but your misfires on political and economic class issues are simply unforgiveable.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:01 am #

          The Left is more powerful than ever. Communism has shown a most profound ability to change its tactics without changing its objectives. But yes, it’s pushed by the Capitalists and Bankers. You know this, right?

          I admit that John Birch did not, at least not entirely.

        • malthuss December 7, 2019 at 7:49 am #

          who donated the land for the UN?
          and then the ‘communist’ nations were invited to join, with diplomatic immunity.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

            Thank you. The Conspiratorial Viewpoint is the correct one. But of course, it has to be correct Conspiracy Theory…

      • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 10:10 pm #

        Get off it, Janos.

        Your imagined world has not got a snowflakes chance in hell of ever happening. I totally agree with your assessment that the last two GOP administrations have shoved us way to the left and it is tearing down our identity. RINOs are insidious siding with the Left leaning Deep State.

        You have downplayed Trump in his attempts to re-center things in DC.

        I guess your idea is to allow the whole shooting match to collapse and then, like your hero, build a socialistic State from the ashes. Suggest you call it Phoenix.

        Not me, I want to see Trump re-elected to continue trashing the scum Dems to continue a two party country that works.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:30 pm #

          Where’s our Wall? And why did he put thousands of National Guardsmen on the border – unarmed – for a few weeks? Why even fucking bother? Obama did the same stunt.

          And remember, he “wants these people here” because the economy is better than ever. He lied to us. And the little bit of “Wall” he build is of pathetic quality, easily breached and/or climbed. So much for the Master Builder.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:59 am #


          I find myself bizarrely agreeing with Skorenzy.

          Aside from the wall baloney, there’s also the proven fact of Himself’s businesses hiring illegal immigrant workers at his American properties.

          Then there’s the plethora of crappy Trump-branded products you can order online. The vast majority are Chinese-sourced (though the faux Trump “crest” may be embroidered in the US) or from 3rd world nations (so probate child-labour questions there too). Only 15% qualify as ‘Made is America’ (which probably includes those products ‘finished’ in the USA.

          This is ongoing – right NOW. So, knowing he has the cult members transfixed, he doesn’t even PRETEND to walk his own talk.


          Kick the bum out.

    • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:38 pm #

      By my reckoning, the globalism started to take root during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, though he was not a globalist.
      The Pappy of the globalist movement was elected right after Reagan.
      There is even a conspiracy theory about the attempted assassination of President Reagan, that it was to put HW in the White House.

      HW was the first to use the term New World Order in public, I believe.
      Ol’ Bill there, who may have had his own globalist leanings, was impeached on “evidence” from a Bush holdover.
      Bill and HW became very close later on, at roughly the same time the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global (see?) Initiative were really taking off.

      Notice the Bushes even did the Clintons the favor of running another son for president in 2016, just in case any independents out there might not vote for Hillary.
      Notice also that W kept quiet all through the eight years of Obama’s presidency, but now comes out to criticize his own party’s pick for president.

      • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

        Don’t forget that only about a year and a half ago they were parading the Shrub around on all the lefty talk and late night shows.

        The height of hypocrisy watching those morons chum it up with a war criminal, who they did nothing but attack during his actual presidency.

        But, TDS ensures that W. just fine and neolib wars are to be supported without question.

        • Nightowl December 6, 2019 at 3:37 pm #

          “… W. is now just fine”

          FFS add an edit function.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:31 pm #

          He and Michelle are in love or something. Oh to be a fly on that wall….

    • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:32 pm #


      “Trump and his Tea Party residual is all that is left to try to center the ship of state. Without his ability to counter the jerks in the Deep State, this country would be under the control of a foreign led government, the Deep State.”

      You’re ascribing great powers (…his ability to counter…) to clown and his henchmen. If THAT’S all there is to stop this imagined Deep State coup that you believe will deliver the US to “..the control or a foreign led (sic) government”, then you may as well give up hope.

      In my view, Himself inviting both Russia (2016) and, more recently, China to actively interfere in US elections is way more likely to lead to ‘control’ by a foreign government.

      As to the shenanigans of Ghouliani, Sondland, Nunes et al in trying to stir things up in Ukraine, I say more power to them. If they DO find actual evidence of wrongdoing against ANY US citizens, then great – they can share a cell with Manafort, and I’d personally throw the keys down a long-drop.

      However, the proper channel for such investigations is the State Dept & the DOJ, surely. One raving demented ex-Mayor/lawyer running rampant at the instructions of his ‘only client’ (his words) is not going to get the job done – it only serves to muddy the waters further, and fuel the bi-partisan nature of the argument.

      But all this is sideshow & distraction. The key question in the argument is whether Himself sought political advantage by having an investigation of Biden announced by the Ukraine government and in trying to gain that accommodation – an entirely PRIVATE benefit – he used an enormous sum of PUBLIC taxayer funds as leverage. The circumstantial evidence is clearly against him.

      If Pompeo, Mulvaney et al were to respond to the House Committees’ subpoenas, that perception would only be further crystallized…which is why they’re under orders from Himself to ignore them.

  17. PeteAtomic December 6, 2019 at 11:45 am #

    The democrats’ message is horrific. The basis in their arguments are for class & racial struggle. It’s an argument that your fellow citizens are your enemies & inherently evil based on their skin colors & the size of their bank accounts— because of century’s old grievances. The demos believe that ‘justice’ will be the mass theft by government compulsion from millions of people. This is just their domestic agenda.. the foreign one seems to be Cold War, part 2

    It’s fucked.

    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 2:28 pm #

      No Cold War II this time. It’s Full Spectrum Hot War I, or none at all.

  18. newworld December 6, 2019 at 12:13 pm #

    Great work Mr. K and the commenters.

    All I can add is that this is the watershed moment for the white progressive/D-party folk, they are literally on the cusp of second class status on the Left.

  19. Plennie_Wingo December 6, 2019 at 12:25 pm #

    All rise for a huge round of applause for the Dems bringing this the worst president of all time, any time, anywhere to task.

    Fun to see the orange Godzilla slink back from Europe have been rejected like a red-headed stepchild after once again swinging his massive tail to and fro and boring the living BeJesus out of everyone.
    The other children don’t like you trump – wonder why?

    Impeachment as a beautifully wrapped Christmas gift. Beats a train set any day.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

      Plenty more wingnuts where this one came from!

      • Beryl of Oyl December 6, 2019 at 2:40 pm #

        It seems to have imitated Mr. Kunstler’s writing style, and failed miserably.

        • malthuss December 6, 2019 at 3:55 pm #


    • cc rider December 6, 2019 at 6:33 pm #

      Well for your Christmas gift in 2020 you’ll get a Trump second term thanks to this impeachment. Will that be beautifully wrapped too?

      The ONLY thing now that will stop a second term is if the bottom falls out of this economy before election day. Although, your beloved Dems are so incompetent they may still lose even with an economic fall out.

      • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 8:45 pm #

        How could there possibly be any speculation that the bottom will fall out of the economy? I’ve been told for years that the Republicans had all the answers to running a successful economy. Of course they were given the chance to do just that under “W”, for eight years. How come the collective amnesia that seems to affect Republicans when it comes to discussing those years? Well, everybody knows the answer to that, don’t we? The best part is, if we can just forget that little hiccup in our past, we can go right on pretending that the Republicans have the only answers when it comes to creating a prosperous environment for the middle class.

        Now that doesn’t mean for a minute that the Dems have the answers either. They are too busy doing the business of the wealthy, making sure that they are comfortable. I’m thinking that all we really need are several more Trillion dollar tax breaks for the wealthy, poor dears, God knows, they suffer enough as it is. What we really need is another billionaire president. You know, someone who REALLY understands the problems of us untermenschen, and who really cares.

        • cc rider December 6, 2019 at 10:16 pm #

          There are some underlying problems that go back decades that could cause massive problems at any time. You are making this a partisan issue when BOTH parties have contributed to the underlying problems. Plus, economic cycles are, well, cyclical. Duh.

          • capt spaulding December 7, 2019 at 11:28 am #

            That’s right, it was just cyclical, which means that nobody knows how to run an economy properly I guess. Even Republicans.

          • cc rider December 7, 2019 at 1:38 pm #

            Neither party has any business “running” an economy. The government should not “run” the economy. And certainly the Fed shouldn’t because their track record is abysmal. The Fed should be abolished.

  20. venuspluto67 December 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm #

    Somebody else, from some other hastily assembled party, may have to stand against Mr. Trump in 2020.

    Wishful thinking. We’re stuck with these two senile political parties (which are more public institutions than they are political parties in the European sense) until that inevitable day when the military has to step in and declare martial law for the sake of maintaining basic public order, and in so doing effectively ends civil-libertarian constitutional representative government in this country.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 6, 2019 at 1:13 pm #

      Maranatha! Come quickly O Caesar!

    • BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

      Well, in 1861, Lincoln (temporarily) suspended the writ of Habeaus Corpus, and in 1862 General MaClellan openly spoke of turning his army on Washington and deposing Lincoln.

      That’s the closest we’ve come to what you suggest could happen.


      • malthuss December 6, 2019 at 3:56 pm #

        what about the history of Mexico?
        what was the place like, 1500-1800?

  21. volodya December 6, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

    But then what have we been getting for the last two generations if not fog-banks of misdirection and misinformation? Washington may be the giant back-hole where money vanishes into a naked singularity of blind greed, but, like all black-holes, it has an accretion disk of cash attended to by politicians and a managerial clerisy, but more than that, there’s the so-called “expert” class, all of these concealing the event horizon (beyond which said money never returns).   

    Nobody’s as full of shit as an expert you say? I would agree, given the deluge of lies, half-truths, miscalculation we’ve been subjected to, and no expert is as full of shit as an economist, but, having said that, it’s a close race, with academics of all stripes everywhere, some bearing the august title of “ologist”,  scrambling up the greasy pole of public recognition, vying for position, prestige, applause, money, awards, and wielding – cough – studies purporting to show something or other, requiring belief, genuflection, adherence to this or that regimen, suppression of this, enhancement of that. 

    And this fog-bank of supposed fact and evidence is in concealment of the aforementioned accretion disk of moolah and interested parties looking to scrape off some of the loot swirling around before it’s too late, before it crosses that invisible boundary, past which it disappears into the all-devouring maw of oligarch bank accounts. 

    Like everyone else you’ve been played Neo, you’ve been blinded to the truth, that you’ve been dancing to a tune you can no longer even hear, in a dance-hall you can no longer even see, not after years in an educational system designed to impair your senses and hobble your thinking. 

    What do they tell you Neo? To invest in mutual funds Neo, to eat the Mediterranean diet Neo, to drink no more than two glasses of wine a day Neo – in furtherance of your drinking a lot more Neo because when people are told to drink less, they do the opposite. They tell you that fat is bad for you Neo and that globalization is good for you. So sez the sugar industry. So say economists. 

    Here’s the real deal Neo, decide for yourself, make your own call, because you cannot possibly be as full of shit as all the experts shouting at you. 

    • benr December 6, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

      Sorry should not have shouted at you since I am not an expert at posting as I am told daily by the posting experts.

      • volodya December 6, 2019 at 1:24 pm #

        Posting experts? No shit. I’ll bet you need a degree and professional certification.

      • EvelynV December 6, 2019 at 5:15 pm #

        You do well for your limited abilities.

    • K-Dog December 6, 2019 at 1:30 pm #

      The problem is there is this thing called the truth and it is out there somewhere.

      • volodya December 6, 2019 at 2:17 pm #

        Yes, the Truth is out there somewhere, also going by the name Reality which is this nasty thing with sharp teeth, a two foot long prick and a tongue to match, and if people don’t watch out and pay it due regard, it bare-backs them with no mercy.

        • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 8:39 pm #

          The Truth!

          No such thing y’all.

          Opinions upon opinions. Whoever has the power has opinions that are the “Truth” until the opposing side takes over. Then the Truth turns into lies.

          Even history is written by winners, what would history look like if the losers wrote it.

          One of the biggest problems in the country is that their is no Truth, no ultimate answers, no superior intellect, no gurus to express infinite wisdom.

          Just a bunch of counter lying politicians that are taking up down.

  22. volodya December 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

    The Democratic Party is an arrangement without a future but mainly because supporting it are even more arrangements, none of which have a future, which points to a future with no discernible arrangements, or at least some gaping voids which will take some time and elbow grease to fill. 

    The modern-day economy is a pyramid of preposterous propositions, WeWork one of those based on even more preposterous propositions, for example as a magazine writer said, that your work is your life, that work is 24/7, that you live where you work, that your co-workers are your friends, in short a proposition pretending to be a viable arrangement but which, given about thirty seconds worth of reflection, looks pretty darn thread-bare from a workability point of view. 

    But it’s not the only cockamamie scheme out there, Silicon Valley, based pretty much on the same idea, that it’s possible to create a self-replicating society with no off-spring, NONE, where citizens have no time for anything but work. You work at work, you work at home, you work at the grocery, you work when you stroll with your chick, your eyes and ears glued not on the delightful babe but on work, you work when you’re boinking her ooh, baby, baby. That’s IF you boink her, which, given what I’m hearing, happens more and more rarely nowadays, because it takes time and effort and who has time and since when do gals want dweebs with the habits and proclivities of 12 year olds, ah, how do I put this delicately, jacking off to moving images on a screen instead doing it with real-live females who come with the odd sexual need and preference of their own. 

    And so, guess what, it don’t work. It can’t. Silicon Valley, and the rest of the economy where the allegedly educated work, does not want people that mate, that raise kids, because it distracts from what’s important, the stock price and the CEO’s bonus. This points to a society that, if it doesn’t go extinct outright from lack of reproduction, will be overwhelmed and driven to extinction by folk that DO. In fact, I’d be hard put to call this is an arrangement without a future, because it has so little of what normal people call an “arrangement”, you know, planning, forethought, logic, but has rather a lot of the opposite, with hardly a present, let alone a future. 

    Which brings us back to the Democratic Party, a mis-arrangement that lurches one day to the next, with no directing plan or agenda unless you consider a grab bags of distractions – you remember, tranny washrooms, Russian collusion, Russian meddling, Russian hacking, drag-queen story time, and now this who-knows-what-for impeachment stuff – an agenda. It ain’t. 

    A generous view would be that the Democratic Party has got one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel. But this is as dead a proposition as the businesses that the Party works for, the laughable part is that none of them know it yet. Even more laughably neither do Democrat voters. 

    • KappaJoe December 6, 2019 at 3:53 pm #

      I have a sneaking feeling that the history books will record: “The last thing the Democrats in charge attempted, in order to remain relevant & regain power, was to desperately & disingenuously impeach the president.”

      • elysianfield December 7, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

        “I have a sneaking feeling that the history books will record…”

        Depends upon who is writing the history.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

          Exactly. If, post-apocalypse, the only recorded history found of this particular time were to be this blog archive, then you’re absolutely right.

          These putative future historians would also be asking ‘What happened to the discussion on peak oil, which was way more important?’

    • BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 4:15 pm #

      If the Dems win in 2020 they are going to have to make good on some of the promises they have been making, if for nothing else, to save face.

      Free college tuition

      Pay off all student loans: $1.5 trillion

      Medicare for all: $50 trillion

      Open up the borders to the 3rd world: 25 million destitute people per year entering the country.

      Abolish ICE

      Promote homosexuality and transgenderism

      One has to wonder, after they are thru, will there be a country left to care about?


      • elysianfield December 6, 2019 at 7:19 pm #

        “…will there be a country left to care about?”

        How do you like it now, Gentlemen?

    • elysianfield December 7, 2019 at 1:16 pm #

      “That’s IF you boink her”

      Is romance dead? A gentleman referring to coitus with his loving mate does not “boink”! Words are important, especially to women, as the concept of “romance” seems endemic to their nature. The physical act should be couched in metaphor;

      Slipping her the “foaming pork probe” is one sure to get a response….
      Rubbing nasties, bumping uglies, even “slippin’ the fit…”

      And my personal favorite;

      “Cattle prodding the oyster ditch with the old pocket rocket….”

      • volodya December 7, 2019 at 2:23 pm #

        Is romance dead?

        Well, maybe not yet but among certain classes of White folk its prospects don’t look good. Look at the state of things, the elite marrying but its womanhood imbued with vociferous anti WHITE male militancy. Why would they mate with the guys that they’re taught by the campus sisterhood to think of as the worst of the worst, racist, misogynist, oppressive, patriarchal, authoritarian, you know the drill. Besides all that, they have careers to think about, right?

        So how long does it take for college educated gals to take one last look at the frail, pale, cold and clammy fish-like slab beside her in the sack and decide to forgo the pork probe and go for the gusto and go boink Black guys? This looks to me like the logical outcome.

        As far as romance in the lower White classes, it might not be as dead as in the upper classes, because Deplorable women aren’t as steeped in campus ideology, but as we all know, there ain’t romance without finance, and unless non-working or precariously employed White guys can figure out something in a hurry, they’ll be relegated to the sidelines while Black guys do all the boinking.

        Forget the fake gangster wiggerness, it doesn’t look convincing, at least not to my eyes, in fact it looks absurd, so White boys better get sorted out, figure some way of asserting some kind of worth in the gals’ eyes, because they can’t do it financially, not anymore.

        So now the real question, after I post this rant, how long for Janos to call in the storm-troops….

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 2:38 pm #

          Can we discriminate between the middle and upper middle as compared to the real Upper Class? The former two are not “the Elite”. Marriage among the Elite are the most stable since the ladies know they have a good deal. And probably marriage among the upper middle is stronger than among the middle. Of course the payoffs for divorce are bigger too and Missy begins to think she can go further and do better.

          Thank you finally admitting our Cause is Just – even if it doesn’t help you and yours. Very Aryan of you. Now I know that doesn’t mean that you support us, but it’s a start.

  23. Ishabaka December 6, 2019 at 4:31 pm #

    The anticipatory anxiety is really beginning to show.
    Yesterday Pelosi, and then Biden melted down in public.

  24. Ishabaka December 6, 2019 at 4:34 pm #

    “A hearty side dish of anti-war sentiment”? Vietnam was Kennedy/Jonson’s war.
    Then there was that little thing about Kennedy wanting to start World War III, but people always talk about that as if it was a triumph of the will.

    • Majella December 8, 2019 at 5:25 am #


      So, what are the “alternative facts” on the Cuban Missile Crisi?

  25. SW December 6, 2019 at 4:38 pm #

    I wish the indictments would be raining down but I don’t share your faith in our judicial system. Any and all would be buried in cries of Trump was trying to cover his own ill deeds by accusing them and everything would be dragged out as long as possible and ignored or spun by the press. We can ask Nancy to add “and for justice for all” to her nightly list right after she prays for Trump’s soul. Really — who knew she had such talent as a comedian? I never knew Catholics never, ever hated anybody and that the Inquisition was all a big mistake. Come to think of it, Adam Schiff might be a reincarnation of one of those Cardinals. But Catholics don’t believe in reincarnation so any similarity to current events is a coincidence.

    For any who haven’t seen the clip of Joe Biden’s rudeness to an 83 yr old farmer in Iowa, you really must watch it. He forgets his paycheck has been signed by American taxpayers for 50 years and he owes them an explanation for his son’s involvement (and his) with Burisma. Even if he believes he did nothing wrong there’s no excuse for the way that man was treated.

    Here’s the link:

    • Pucker December 6, 2019 at 5:31 pm #

      Biden challenges the 83 year old bloke to a contest of endurance of push ups and a foot race. That’s so inspiring….

      I’ll take that challenge any day….

      Do you remember in the early 19th Century when blokes settled arguments by dueling?

      • elysianfield December 7, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

        “Do you remember in the early 19th Century when blokes settled arguments by dueling?”

        I was under the impression that those gentlemen who reside under the Southern Cross settle arguments thru spirited bouts of Philippine Slap Fighting?

    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 6:35 pm #

      The way he came at him I thought he was going to challenge him to a fight. Biden is such a poser. In his addled mind I’m sure he imagines himself as a tough guy mob boss. Back in the day, maybe in his dreams. Now, he’s just a pitiful old bastard self-destructing before the cameras. Notice the Biden lackey all too eager to step in and grab the mic from the impertinent questioner as well. Yes sir, no sir, I’m your lil’ bitch sir!

  26. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 4:50 pm #

    In the dystopian future, it won’t be necessary in most cases to actually physically grab and imprison a bloke since everyone will be like a fly caught in a spider’s web? The fly can eat you anytime and it doesn’t have to incur the steep cost of locking you up. (However, the contracts are good business for the prison operators.) Passports and crossing borders will become meaningless as information will be shared across borders? People will be “Happy” in the spider’s web, their brains scrabbled by porn and jerking off to inane videos. I should probably read the Jacques Ellul book “The Technological Society” about runaway technology? It was written in the 1950’s in a much simpler time and long before the current Freak Show. It looks like because of the broad economic uncertainty, financial insecurity, family breakdown, and the hyper-rapid pace of technological change that basically everyone is freaking out? They’re freaking out into their Smartphones. Elon Musk has set up a company to connect people’s brains to the web. With that system, you won’t need prisons and cops. They’re obviously insane….

  27. Cargill December 6, 2019 at 5:10 pm #

    The potted history of the Democratic Party is engagingly simplistic – indeed to serve the JHK “never-ending narrative” that has filled these columns for months … years.

    I guess if you repeat the same old shtick over and over, some people might come to believe it’s true. Sadly for the “narrative” however, Durham & Horowitz are not going to deliver any knockout blows to the Democratic Party re 2015-2018 … it’s not going to happen.

    Horowitz & Durham only have to repeat | reiterate one statement – one thought:

    “The Intel Community and DOJ had good reasons to use all their resources to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election, and the degree to which the Trump campaign and elements of the Republican Party were were willing participants in, and beneficiaries of, that Russian interference”.

    And as a proud Aussie, it’s pleasing to see our Alexander Downer – Ambassador to the UK, and former right-wing conservative party leader here – was a key figure in the unwinding of the Trumpian malignancy in respect of Russia.

    And while the impeachment process is a partisan sideshow (although with some important jurisdictional principles being thrashed out, hopefully), it is allowing more American voters to see the moral bankruptcy and venality of the Republicans – so that’s not a bad outcome.

    But I do agree with JHK on one thing – the pathetic, lame, loser, indulgent bunch of dodos heading the Democratic Party presidential nomination “race”.

    Can’t they find one compelling centre-left woman or man, aged under 55, who can do the job? I suppose it just confirms the old adage … nearly everyone who would make a good president doesn’t want the job – and certainly doesn’t want the two prior years of BS involved.

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm #

      One problem with your reasoning

      TheRINO never Trumpers initiated the Dossier and when the DNC and HRC found out about it, they jumped on it to frame Trump.

      There has not been one piece of evidence that Trump ever did anything to allow Russian influence on 2016. Nothing. And that is after 21/2 years of high level investigation. The real folks colluding with all the Russian (and Ukrainian?) agents were Democrat. Hillary had just as many folks talking to the Russians as the GOP did. Because it was okay at the time to talk to Russians. It wasn’t until HRC needed a scape goat for her lousy campaign that it rose its head.

      • Cargill December 6, 2019 at 9:48 pm #

        “There has not been one piece of evidence that Trump ever did anything to allow Russian influence on 2016.”

        I think there is a huge amount of evidence linking Trump (and many other Republicans) with the Russians – mostly through the channel of Wikileaks. Roger Stone’s trial is sufficient to establish this.

        • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 10:17 pm #

          Excepting that an esteemed critic of The NSA and Julian Assange both state that the Russians were not involved. Seth Rich May be the result.

          You have done a good job of absorbing what the MSM has fed to you. Maybe look at information from both sides with equal credibility.

          • Majella December 8, 2019 at 4:45 pm #

            I think you may have meant ‘…with equal incredulity’…?

  28. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 5:25 pm #

    I downloaded the new Epstein book from Amazon entitled “Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales”. The fact that I downloaded the book was just a result of a series of bizarre, unfortunate coincidences.

    • benr December 6, 2019 at 7:40 pm #

      That bad?

    • capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 8:52 pm #

      Was it ghost written by Epstein?

  29. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 5:46 pm #

    Our understanding of Reality is a function of how the two halves of asymmetric Human Brain attend to the external world. The Left Brain and the Right Brain have very different interpretations of Reality. In contrast, Artificial Intelligence is unlikely to be asymmetrical, and, therefore, we probably won’t understand it, albeit AI will “understand” us. I bet that the Chinese won’t find any value in incorporating Right Brain Empathy into AI? The Chinese are very practical….

    It looks like the Chinese are several steps ahead of the American weirdos in the race to perfect the AI super-god? The Chinese seem to have developed AI capable of grabbing American data through the Facebook platform and the tot..Ali..Tarian nature of their society gives them a huge advantage in harvesting data which is key to the development of AI. I think that Elon Musk’s next brilliant idea (in addition to going to Mars) is to leap frog the Chinese on data harvesting by directly connecting people’s brains to the Jeff Bezos owned Cloud. They’re obviously insane….

    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 8:05 pm #

      We’ll never get to Mars at all (a total ruse) but the brain chip implant thing ain’t (potentially) all that far off. I also think AI is being greatly overhyped, for the near term at least. Think stock prices, and the manipulation thereof. In the end, it’s not the tech we need to worry about; it’s the stupid-assed people who’ve been conditioned to helplessly worship it.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:14 pm #

        And letting it take our jobs IS worshiping it. The Luddites were right. And the Luddites weren’t “Luddites”….

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:08 pm #


      How else to explain a government trying to eliminate human jobs with AI when you have the largest population in the world.

      I remember a saying that if you lined up the Chinese 2×2 and marched them into the ocean, they would never run out.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:12 pm #

      Yes, the only way to beat the Chinese is to become golem robots. To accept the Chip.

      You aren’t a chip off the old block, you’re the whole fucking woodpile.

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 7:01 pm #

      Maybe so but how horrible to think that having no empathy is a practical thing. What a cold and brutal world that sounds like. If you are a machine or a borg or a pod person you aren’t human anymore are you? I pray the wet robots will lose.

  30. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 6:30 pm #

    British author, David Icke, has a new book out called “The Trigger”. In an interview, Icke said that he describes in the book what he refers to as “The Totalitarian Tiptoe”. The Brits do have a rather strange sense-of-humor. Icke is always cracking jokes about pedophilia and cannibalism in the Royal Family. I’ve always rather liked, “The Queen”, particularly those hats that she wears. I also liked Margaret Thatcher, particularly when she kicked ass in the Malvinas Islands War against Argentina. I didn’t have much respect for Tony Blair.

  31. ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

    Best piece I’ve read on the whole Impeachment imbroglio to date.

    Ladies And Gentleman Of The Jury, Would You Impeach?

    The Senate won’t oust Trump but independents can vote him out. Yet even here the Democrats are failing.

    Peter Van Buren

    You should keep in mind how the Democrats acted when they were given the power to run the impeachment process as a clue to how they would wield power from the White House. This was the only modern impeachment not preceded by a formal investigation—you know, done by pros, with rules of evidence and legal protections. It was instead based on a select set of witnesses who first testified in secret as a kind of practice session, with curated leaks to soften you up.

    That’s how you ended up with “witnesses” who had no first hand knowledge beyond the president’s now-notorious phone call, the contents of which are available online.

    Then there was the public spectacle, with a new and improved smoking gun daily, along with sparkly uniforms and the media frantically describing the foreign service as if they were Lassie in pinstripes—brave, loyal, dependable, no accidents inside the house. If anyone raised a point of contention about a guy in uniform, they must hate America. You were told military people are stalwart and trustworthy (except for Mike Pompeo, who only graduated first in his class at West Point). Anything Trump believed was dismissed as a debunked conspiracy theory. But when the Dems accused him of being a Russian agent with no evidence, that required three years, falsified FBI records, and the full resources of the intelligence community to investigate. Think what that says about the Dems’ own respect for the rule of law, justice, and fairness, because if they are elected tomorrow, you’ll get more of the same.

    That’s what happened. Why it had to happen is also worth your consideration. After the first two weeks of public impeachment hearings, 62 percent of independents—people like you—claimed the issue was “more important to politicians than it is to me.” When asked to rank 11 issues as top priorities, impeachment placed last among independents. And what you think matters: independents make up 38 percent of the electorate, greater than both Republicans and Democrats at 30 and 31 percent respectively.

    So you as independents are the most important group, and you don’t see impeachment as a priority. Yet the Democrats have wasted the majority you helped give them in the midterms to pursue it anyway, because Russiagate failed, the Emoluments Clause failed, the 25th Amendment failed, the Stormy-Avenatti-Michael Cohen show failed, and they are afraid to let people like you vote again. “By any means necessary” meant setting aside the issues you care about to do what they care about instead.

    But I promised you a look into the evidence, and as with Dorothy in Oz, it has always been with you. The actual moment when the president was to have committed his impeachable act was memorialized in the memorandum of conversation of the July 25 phone call with Ukrainian president Zelensky. Now, of course, many of the same people who would not accept this official government document as proof of what was said because it favors Trump accept another guy’s uncorroborated rendering of a call he supposedly overheard in a restaurant because it looks bad on Trump. But you’re smarter than that.

    The July 25 memo is the only primary source in this entire case. It tells us what happened. Aside from Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, who was on the call and has testified (uncorroborated by anyone else on the call) that certain words and phrases he heard were missing from the memo, the so-called witnesses have only talked about what they think happened, or their opinions of what happened, or what someone else told them happened. Remember, none of the 12 impeachment hearing witnesses, including Vindman, have testified that they actually heard Trump explicitly tie security aid to an investigation. That is a big, big deal. So it is essential to this case that you be able to point to a portion of the memo that explicitly ties the security aid to an investigation, which after all is the crime the president is accused of. But you can’t do that, because it does not say that. That also is a big, big deal.

    And by the way, was any aid actually withheld? Delayed is not withheld—you know that. And since no one seems to know when the Ukrainians learned of any delays, even that does not seem to have mattered. And can any of you tell me what investigations took place? Because there were none.

    In sum, there were no witnesses to “the crime.” The only primary document has no explicit evidence of “the crime.” No aid was withheld and no investigations took place. A smoking gun requires there to be a dead body on the floor. Instead we have accusations backed up by suppositions. Without the media artificially keeping this all alive, you would be left wondering exactly what it is we’re still talking about.

    That said, Trump did say some things on the call (“I would like you to do us a favor”), and some titter-tattle Democrats think they add up to something. So let’s talk about that.

    It is always easy to forget the basics. Quid pro quo is not Latin for bribery. The president conducts foreign policy with extraordinary latitude to say what the national interest is, not the State Department and its ambassadors, no matter how smart they think they are. Foreign aid is a policy tool and is offered in return for something. As an exasperated Mick Mulvaney told us, of course there is always a quid pro quo—vote our way at the UN, let us have a military base, help us negotiate with your neighbor. Presidents often delay aid to get what they want. An investigation is not meddling. Foreign governments work with us on criminal, financial, and other investigations all the time. The Democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Trump in 2018. Providing information is not interfering in our democracy.

    So you need to look not only at what was done, but whether it’s serious enough to warrant impeachment. The Constitution is vague on what exactly is an impeachable act, but we do have precedent.

    Just in the last two decades, we’ve had a president who lied us into war, set up a torture program, spied on Americans, and sat on his hands while the economy crashed. No impeachment. We had a president whose military incursions into Libya, Syria, and Yemen created the worst refugee flows Europe has seen since World War II, who illegally spied on Americans (complete with a whistleblower), assassinated his own citizens by drone, and gave trillions to Wall Street while Main Street floundered. No impeachment. But an internal power struggle between careerists and political appointees over Ukraine supersized into a made-up crisis, now that is what the Founders had in mind?

    That’s where I’m stuck. Because if we can’t resolve those questions, we can only conclude that this is a political hit job by a bunch of sore losers who see impeachment as a way for them to meddle in the 2020 election. Weigh that carefully, ladies and gentlemen of the real jury, as you vote tomorrow.


    • stph December 6, 2019 at 8:40 pm #

      This is a great objectively-targeted article — more Independent than “Conservative”, regardless of the publisher. It’s aided my thinking process. Thank you.

  32. BackRowHeckler December 6, 2019 at 7:01 pm #

    One has to wonder, also, if the Dems win in 2020, how they will deal with environmental pressure groups demands we go ‘carbon free’ by 2025, or, 2030, or 2050, in effect, try to run the United States on Windmills and Solar Panels? It will be a problem for them, as it has in NYC, where the Governor blocked National Grid from buuilding a new natgaspipeline into Brooklyn due to pressure from Climate Change organizations, resulting in a shortage of natural gas. Now it has to be trucked into the city in liquid form.


    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:10 pm #

      At much higher risk!

  33. elysianfield December 6, 2019 at 7:14 pm #

    Well, ladies and germs;

    Crabs. Cute little crabs…natures sea bunnies! Who among us would not love to have one of the cuddly little bastards tucked away in one of our pockets right now?

    But there is trouble a-brewin’ for the little rascals. The BBC, this PM, reports that over 500,000 of the little devils have been killed due to…plastic debris in the ocean. Yes, this crustacean holocaust is caused by our thoughtless disposal of plastic buckets and such, where the little buggers become trapped and die. FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND!! This is newsworthy and the BBC stepped up to the plate and reported news that was fit to peruse.


    …apparently, however, crabs can lay up to 100,000 eggs at a time….

    But still!

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:21 pm #

      Another couple of stories say that beached whales have large amounts of micro plastic in their stomachs as well as sea turtles. This should not surprise any one. We do not use all the recycled plastic now and along with the plastic unable to be recycled, the trash is dumped into the oceans.

      Inland, I think, according to JHK books, that we will have to make a choice between using our land for wind farms, solar energy converters, algae plant growing ponds, or garbage and trash landfills. Take your choice.

      There are no answers to trash disposal other than eliminating the trash itself. California is laughed at for its paper straws, but it so heart is in the right place.

      One federal law, elimination of plastic bottles and bags, would go a long way to solve this. Chances, nil!

      • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 1:25 pm #

        Whatever happened to the whole biodegradable plastics thing? Remember just a few years ago some were saying it was going to be the answer to plastic pollution.

        • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:35 pm #

          Good question!

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:17 pm #

          Yes, good question. Was it for real? I mean, did it work? Anybody out there know? Kdog?

          • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm #

            And we know that contact with some plastics plays havoc with our hormones. The more biodegradable, the more it would do that?

          • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:14 pm #

            “The more biodegradable, the more it would do that?”

            At some point, we will all have to come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a “free lunch”….

  34. benr December 6, 2019 at 7:35 pm #

    It appears the supreme court is siding with Trump.
    His tax records are none of the Democrats business.


    • benr December 6, 2019 at 7:40 pm #



      Temp order but here we go again more drama and teeth gnashing.

      • Majella December 8, 2019 at 5:02 pm #

        No so fast, benr!

        Trump’s lawyers have met the Dec 5th deadline to file his petition, and SCOTUS will decide whether to hear the case or send it back on 13th (this Friday). So, yes, more gnashing of teeth.

        It is a crucial decision – if the case IS taken to be heard, then the implications on Presidential Immunity will be examined and determined. We’ll see how well SCOTUS is prepared to bestow monarchical style powers on the presidency. I have my doubts it would – even this lot.

        “President Trump asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to hear a second case concerning a subpoena to his accounting firm for his financial records. The new petition, objecting to a subpoena from a House committee, follows a petition filed last month about a similar subpoena from Manhattan prosecutors.

        Both cases are moving fast, and the court could announce as soon as Dec. 13 whether the justices will hear them. If the court agrees to weigh in, it will probably issue a decision by June, in the midst of the final months of the presidential campaign.

        A Supreme Court ruling in either or both cases would almost certainly produce a major statement on presidential immunity from criminal and congressional investigations.”

  35. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 8:00 pm #

    Happy Pearl Harbor Day!

    I’m going to celebrate by watching the DVD of the movie “Torah! Torah! Torah!” about the Je…wish Japanese Nakajima B5N bomber crew during the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

    The Nakajima B5N (Japanese: ?? B5N, Allied reporting name “Kate”) was the standard carrier-based torpedo bomber of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) for much of World War II.


    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 8:13 pm #

      Watched that movie with my mom while it was still in the theaters way back in the day! Pretty damn good for its time. I was still an impressionable little shit back then.

  36. stph December 6, 2019 at 8:05 pm #

    Hi Jim! Just registered ONLY so I could publicly thank and acknowledge you for you personally breaking out of The Matrix of DemoPublican thinking!

    I have been following you at least a decade and always appreciated your independent thinking on issues such as peak oil and the stock market but — at the same time — lamented your seeming inability to recognize that the Democratic party is AT LEAST as much at the core of the problem as is the Republican.

    Less than a decade ago Obama could do know wrong in your blog. You defended him and the rest of the criminal cabal enshrined in the Democratic Party as pretty much untouchable — and that was kind of intolerable for someone I looked up to for independent and objective thinking.

    But, as Jessie Jackson once said (and not knowing who said it first): “You may not be responsible for where you are, but you ARE responsible for staying there.”

    In my case, although I never much identified with the criminal Republican party I did tend to believe that most of them were mostly patriotic. And then Bush and the Iraq “Weapons of Mass Destruction” criminal scam forced me to a “come to Jesus” epiphany.

    I’d be curious — and I think it would make a GREAT essay which I’d love to read — what brought you around to realize NEITHER of the two parties has the average American at heart…that if you took those who deserve hanging out of the two parties there might not be anyone left in Washington.

    Anyway, I’ve read you for a long, long time and I just registered to post so I could post that you really have my admiration now for escaping the left-right thrall and becoming a considerably more independent thinker. As Neo was finally forced to admit, “[The One] was always just another system of Control.” Our Masters Who Art in Washington are all about serving us, all right…serving us up for dinner.

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:24 pm #

      Demopublican. Or Repocrat?

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 10:20 pm #


    • EvelynV December 7, 2019 at 3:10 am #


      Talk is cheap! Get on over to the Patreon money box and chip in some coin if you seek acknowledgement from Jim.

      • elysianfield December 7, 2019 at 12:44 pm #

        if you seek acknowledgement from Jim.

        …What? You got acknowledgement? For my donation, I receive only his sufferance….

  37. Pucker December 6, 2019 at 8:12 pm #

    Pete Buttigieg

    Why did they keep Mr. Spock around on “The Enterprise” according him a modicum of respect as First Officer, but keeping him in his place as subordinate to the Canadian Je…w, William Shatner? They stationed Spock on the bridge next to Uhuru, knowing that Uhuru would let Spock look at her bare legs and her tits, and when nobody was looking Uhuru would give Spock a peak at her little pink vagina, which drove Spock crazy. It was obviously some kind of psychological experiment. If Spock was so fucking smart, then why didn’t he ever catch on and just mutiny?

    • ellipsis December 6, 2019 at 8:15 pm #

      Silly Pucker! Spock was CIA, of course!

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:23 pm #

      Bill Shatner wept (on camera at least!) over the fact the Len wouldn’t talk to him anymore. Was he too Aryan in the end for Nimoy’s extreme Jewish sensibilities?

  38. capt spaulding December 6, 2019 at 9:03 pm #

    Tomorrow being Dec. 7, makes me pause & reflect. I remember when I lived up in Duluth Mn, there was a guy who was half Japanese, and half Swedish. Every Dec. 7, he would attack Pearl Olson.

  39. mccobb December 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm #

    “I’m not so sure that the Democratic Party can survive the washing away of its beloved narrative by that hard rain…”

    Are we headed towards a Republican one-party system, a bizarro-world version of China, therefore? Is that what will fix the seditious corruption described here?

    • JohnAZ December 6, 2019 at 9:25 pm #

      Not fix the corruption

      Be the result of the corruption.

      • mccobb December 6, 2019 at 11:12 pm #

        I’m not sure I understand the difference.

        • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:21 am #

          Fixing something means the aim is to purposely make something better or at least different.

          The result means it is a consequence of what is happening. I do not think this government has a clue about much of anything.

  40. PeteAtomic December 7, 2019 at 9:09 am #

    “They are also faced with a field of manifestly lame presidential candidates, especially the current leader of the pack, Joe Biden, fumbling and doddering his way down the campaign trail in an apparent effort to dodge being investigated for the grifts of his Veep years.”

    Not so fast! Sharpening her fangs & licking the droopy skin over her wings, sits the cackling Hillary, beady eyes scanning over the horizon greedily for an opportunity to glide down & claw into the body politic like lice on a kindergartener.

    Once HRC announces a rematch, the country will be subjected to the largest agit-prop operation it has ever seen– CNN, MSNBC, NYT, washpo, NPR– these activist orgs will herald her like a savior. You guys think what is happening now is sickening, just wait until that happens. The MSM will attempt to make it as if the heavens themselves are choosing a candidate. She will automatically be ‘front runner’.

    In reality, HRC is more like the Damien figure from the same-named horror films from the 70s I watched as a kid. She is a twisted, vain, lust for power, satanic figure.

    • ellipsis December 7, 2019 at 10:10 am #

      Good comment. The only drama remaining is who would be her running mate. “Joltin Joe” Biden might be a good choice (bear with me here), scratching the nostalgia itch most Dem voters have for the good old days when Saint Barry O sat in the big chair. He’d be totally expendable there of course; thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble, with any untoward revelations easily written off to his obvious senility. His position would be unofficially termed as ‘Court Jester in Chief,’ a position poor Mike Pence, totally eclipsed by Trump, has played to decidedly mixed reviews since 2016.

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:25 am #

        The Veep has little power in the Constitution. I do notice that Pence is with Trump at most of the activities that are filmed, and does a lot of traveling. The President after all is Mr. President.

      • PeteAtomic December 7, 2019 at 10:28 pm #

        Her VP would probably be another Tim Kaine-like politician– in other words, a professional liar.

    • Majella December 8, 2019 at 5:10 pm #


      So, IF HRC does stand up for the election race (which I very highly doubt), I’ll concede your RWNJ theories (not just yours, Pete – you’ve got plenty of company) have some validity.

      IF, thereafter, the organs of the media listed above DO come out, all hot ‘n’ bothered for her candidacy, then I’ll concede the rest of the validity of your arguments.

      However, that doesn’t exonerate Trump from being a world-class idiot, fool and bully. He’s got to go.

  41. PeteAtomic December 7, 2019 at 9:24 am #

    It speaks volumes to the position of the demo party when people like Gabbard, Yang & Klobuchar, are almost non-existent in the polling. You can certainly disagree with their policy positions, however, the three aforementioned individuals all appear to be (and appearances can certainly be deceiving!) stable, sane personalities who propose rational & reasonable arguments.

    • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:27 am #

      Interesting observation. Almost like the whole primary thing is a media fired event.

      Sorta like what the NYT did with Bloomberg to Harris’ detriment.

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 1:21 pm #

      What is the rational and reasonable argument for open borders and massive, unrelenting, and unfettered immigration? I would love for a candidate to say they will totally shut down businesses that hire illegal aliens. Prison time for the execs. That would stop a major portion of the flow of illegals into the country right away and therefore is very rational.

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:33 pm #

        The argument is that the PTB want cheap labor and the Left wants future votes. What is wrong is that the labor is the wrong kind, and all that is happening is our welfare rolls are increasing.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:28 pm #

          Yes, your Capitalism is of the Devil. It could be stopped at any time by e-verify or the cyber wall. Massive fines. Perp walk the scum out of their offices. Ruin them socially.

          No? Then you are part of the problem. Your Trump has never even mentioned e-verify, preferring to focus on a Wall that will never be built or only as a Joke – like the current few miles. Or the even greater Problem of Legal Immigration. Just legal them all like Bush Jr said, right? Problem solved!

          • sprawlcapital December 8, 2019 at 1:09 am #

            Here in Des Moines this spring I called a roofing company that stated on their website that they hired military veterans, When they sent out two people to work on our roof, I could not talk with them. They were Hispanic–spoke no English. Veterans of the US military are English speakers, right? Looks like this roofing company is running a bait and switch scam, claiming to give jobs to veterans, but hiring illegal immigrants so they can pay them less.

            You’re right Janos. The problem is employers who hire illegals. Those employers should be thrown in jail.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 2:07 am #

            The farm that employed Molly’s killer admitted that “they did the wrong papers on him”. Did anyone ever follow up on that? How many other of his workers have the wrong paperwork?

          • sprawlcapital December 8, 2019 at 2:13 pm #

            The above post is a reference to the murder of Mollie Tibbetts, of Brooklyn, Iowa, killed by an immigrant. I do not have any recent information on the case. Mollie was killed in the summer of 2018.

          • Majella December 8, 2019 at 5:18 pm #

            sprawlcapital –

            “The problem is employers who hire illegals. Those employers should be thrown in jail”

            Right! And which notable hotel & resort organization with an international brand-name is now well-documented.

            Here’s one, but of course it’s WaPo, so is immediately discountable:


            So, here’s one from Vox:


      • Epicur December 7, 2019 at 10:42 pm #

        I’m not arguing that it’s reasonable and rational, but the heart of the matter is continued “growth”. The politicians have long ago kicked off a Ponzi scheme and they are well informed enough to understand how bad the situation will be when it ends.

        Nobody has a plan for a “soft landing” (none can exist) so they just keep trying to kick the can down the road. In order to kick the can they need lots of people working, buying things, and paying taxes. The “native” population is not reproducing fast enough so they want immigration.

        There are some ugly reckonings in our future.

      • PeteAtomic December 8, 2019 at 12:11 am #

        “What is the rational and reasonable argument for open borders and massive, unrelenting, and unfettered immigration?”

        I don’t agree with that position either. I’m not sure if the 3 candidates I’ve mentioned there believe in that, I may be wrong.
        Warren appears to stand for these things. At least that’s what she is telling her supporters in her campaign speeches. I think she is power hungry enough to promise anything to anybody for power. She doesn’t have a reasonable or rational reason for unrelenting, unfettered immigration. The real reason is what you state there– business interest desires low wage workers.

        • Epicur December 8, 2019 at 8:26 am #

          “I don’t agree with that position either. I’m not sure if the 3 candidates I’ve mentioned there believe in that, I may be wrong.”

          I don’t think the candidates you mentioned do either. Nor do the majority of the American people. But the real people at the top, the deep state, top Congresscritters of both parties, important people in finance and banking, and most of all the people who control the MSM, do all know it. They call the tune.

          Most of the people who support immigration also have no logically based understanding of the financial trouble we are in (many do have an ill-defined sense of unease). They think America is a rich country and can do whatever we want if the politicians just make the right decisions. They think Federal deficits float out in the ether unconnected to anything else that goes on, as though all we have to do is cut spending or raise taxes.

          • PeteAtomic December 8, 2019 at 9:28 am #

            “Most of the people who support immigration also have no logically based understanding of the financial trouble we are in (many do have an ill-defined sense of unease). They think America is a rich country and can do whatever we want if the politicians just make the right decisions. They think Federal deficits float out in the ether unconnected to anything else that goes on, as though all we have to do is cut spending or raise taxes.”

            well stated.

  42. andeee December 7, 2019 at 9:33 am #

    I’m amazed at almost everyone’s blindness to the only and obvious choice of candidate given that ending useless wars and terrorism by the US should be the issue of our time. Tulsi Gabbard has more intelligence than all the rest put together. I can understand that the bought media is terrified to even mention her name but I would have expected a different view here.

    • ellipsis December 7, 2019 at 9:58 am #

      I think that most have just accepted that she has no chance whatsoever. Confronting the MIC head on is not a winning proposition, admirable though it might be.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:30 pm #

      She’s for open borders. Literally no other issue matters until that one is solved. You don’t do quadratic equations as the Titanic sinks, andeeee.

  43. ellipsis December 7, 2019 at 9:54 am #

    Biden announces “I’ll Break Your Face” tour.

    In off the record comments not meant for public release, “Joltin’ Joe” Biden announced a totally new campaign tack Friday, tentatively referred to as the “I’ll Break Your Face” tour. A campaign staffer gushed that in his day, Joltin’ Joe was “quite the local palooka,” in his native Delaware, and was not above taking recalcitrant voters and constituents out back for an “attitude adjustment” whenever necessary. Biden added that resurgent Dem opponent Pete “The Buttgigger” was a “little bitch,” and that when the time came he would “show him what’s what.” Reviews of the campaign’s rollout in Iowa on Friday drew mixed reviews at press time. Biden was last seen doing pushups with his shirt off outside his tour bus, taunting onlookers to “grow a pair and throw down with me.”

    Biden Doubles Down On Heated Town Hall Where He Called Voter A ‘Damn Liar’
    December 7, 20197:56 AM ET

    Former Vice President Joe Biden is defending himself against criticism over a heated town hall earlier this week in which he called a voter a “damn liar” and challenged him to a push-up contest and IQ test. The voter, an 83-year-old retired farmer, stood up to ask about Biden’s and his son Hunter’s work in Ukraine, making some false accusations about it. He also said Biden was too old to run for president.

    In a nearly two-minute exchange caught on video that was widely shared, Biden raised his voice as he forcefully pushed back on the voter’s allegations. Biden also seemed to comment on the voter’s appearance — after the the man said he saw one allegation on TV, Biden replied, “I know you do … I’m not sedentary.”

    “The fact of the matter is, this guy stood up and he was, in fact, lying,” Biden said in an interview Friday evening with NPR Morning Edition host Rachel Martin on his campaign bus on the way to Decorah, Iowa. “And I just pointed out, you’re a liar. It’s it’s a fact. He lied, period. And so, you know, maybe I shouldn’t have kidded with him about that.”


    • benr December 7, 2019 at 10:15 am #

      Well creepy uncle Joe would know a liar when he sees one since most of what comes out of his mouth is lies.

      • BackRowHeckler December 7, 2019 at 10:57 am #

        Give Chasten a big, deep kiss up there on the podium the night he wins it all, will go over big with black voters in Detroit and Hispanics in Houston. Not to mention small town whites struggling to survive in Penn and Ohio.


    • BackRowHeckler December 7, 2019 at 10:49 am #

      Biden is finished.

      The front page article in the NY Post last week about his various grifts as VP was the coupe de grasse. He might not know it yet, but perhaps might be getting a clue.

      The doors wide open for Mayor Pete. I can’t wait until he trots out his husband, Chasten, the night he wins the nomination


  44. benr December 7, 2019 at 10:18 am #

    Ten planks of Communism how many of these objectives has been achieved in these United States?
    Seems many Democrats are using some of these as talking points.

    Karl Marx’s “10 Planks” to seize power and destroy freedom:

    Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

    A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

    Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

    Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

    Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

    Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

    Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

    Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

    Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

    Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children’s Factory Labor in it’s Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.

    • benr December 7, 2019 at 10:21 am #

      Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press
      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

      No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

      In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

      In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law.

      Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

      The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

      If the above offends you there is something wrong with you.

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:41 am #

        The protection of the minority from the majority. All people have these ten rights, until the Dems take over. Liz Warren stated that getting rid of the Electoral college is in her platform. Never happen, but it shows where her head is.

        I still do not understand where these anti-Americans in the Progressives came from. What happened to these folks that they do not respect the rule of law as well as the Bill of Rights.

        Is Liz Warren wiser, in the nation’s opinion, than the Founding Fathers?

        It would explain a lot of the insanity we are witnessing.

        I think a good debating question during the next year would be to ascertain just how many rights the Progressives want to take away from us. One by one.

        • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 1:11 pm #

          Never say never. There are some on the Left who see all of this from the same type of perspective as a Jihadi. This push to “fundamentally transform” America has been going on for a long time. The ones who have been called crazy because of their opposition to all of this have been right all along. The Left has been a part of this as has the Right. We haven’t been what the Founders intended for a long time now and that is all very intentional. And now its an unavoidable reality in daily life.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 4:05 pm #

          The problem now is to protect the Majority from the Minorities. But of course that’s just during this interim period. They’ll be the Majority soon, thanks to both Parties and all kinds of people who ought to have known better.

      • sprawlcapital December 7, 2019 at 11:41 pm #


        The Bill of Rights does not offend me, but I think there is need for a lot more discussion of what the founders meant by “a well-regulated militia”.

        Who belongs to the militia? Is it every citizen or only certain ones, that is, those who formally enlist.

        I think it is clear that the right to keep arms means they can be stored in peoples’ homes rather than in an armory. The right to bear arms must mean in the service of the militia. Hunting can be considered good training for the militia, so it’s not likely that the founders wanted to prohibit militia weapons being used for hunting as well.

        Now, what about regulation? Who does the regulating? Do each of the states regulate their own militia? Or is the federal government in charge of regulating the state militias? And does regulation mean placing limits on the number and type of weapons that a citizen can keep? Or are such limits an infringement prohibited by the Second Amendment?

        I’m sure lots of very smart lawyers have discussed all this and answered all these questions, But if they have, then why are we still debating the meaning of the Second Amendment?


        • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 6:21 am #

          We have already capitulated too much. They are not enforcing the gun laws they have, which shows you it is not about crime. It is about ALL guns in the possession of citizens. Stop playing pitty-patty with haters.

          • sprawlcapital December 8, 2019 at 10:42 am #


            There are two views on the Second Amendment. One group would highlight the words ” well regulated” and hit the delete key, because to them any regulation is an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms.

            I am with the second group, which believes we need to reach a consensus about what the Second Amendment means. This will require discussion and debate that we have not yet had. Such debate is the American Way. It is not “playing pitty-patty”.

        • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm #

          “I’m sure lots of very smart lawyers have discussed all this and answered all these questions, But if they have, then why are we still debating the meaning of the Second Amendment?”

          Smart lawyers? Fuck ’em. Whenever two lawyers square up in court, one of them is invariably wrong in his arguments. Am I to rely on some bastard-with-an-agenda to define my rights? I do not “still” debate the Second Amendment.

          I fully expect that the six or seven hundred million guns in the hands of citizens will determine the issue, not some pampered scion of a privileged upbringing.

          Saw an interesting meme quoting statistics from the CDC and the BATF…In the US,there were 10 times the deaths from constipation than were caused by long guns…less then 300 deaths by rifles in the US.

          If you want to talk “reasonable” firearms regulations, you are talking to the wrong guy.

          • sprawlcapital December 8, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

            Feel better, Elysian? You’re not constipated anymore, right?

          • sprawlcapital December 8, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

            If you want to talk “reasonable” firearms regulations, you are talking to the wrong guy.

            So I won’t talk to you, Elysian, NOW do you feel better?

          • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 11:55 pm #

            “You’re not constipated anymore, right?”

            Yes, (and thank you!) a catharsis was just what the doctor ordered. Regarding postings, we might explore most any topic… issues can be parsed without rancor, but 2nd Amendment issues should be avoided as a subject.

            On 2nd Amendment issues, my mind is closed. There is no argument you might forward, nor any outrage committed so egregious as to move me to mitigate my opinions on this subject.


    • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:31 am #

      In other words, the soul of a society is the State.

      That is why they cannot tolerate religion.

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

      The last one sounds good actually, just not with the current system we have in place.

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:29 pm #

        I was addressing benr’s Communism post. Communist Russia had no morality, no religion, no benevolence for the individual.

        Sorta where the Progressives are taking us now.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:33 pm #

      And the Corporations are the State. Because they are all in favor of all of the above for US. They and the Banks, an even higher echelon.

  45. JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 10:51 am #

    One more.

    Anybody notice how similar the Saudi shooter at Pensacola is to the Saudi pilot trainees that flew into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
    A group of Saudis getting training on our best fighters.

    Six guys have been arrested this morning. Two or three were filming the shooting.

    I certainly hope that the FBI finds out what is going on. These Middle East Muslims hate this country and want to destroy it.

    Is this government really as stupid as it appears, ALL THE TIME!

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 12:49 pm #

      They’re coming for you John. But really, this suspicious instinct is a very healthy expression of Ethnocentrism. Experience and Instinct teach us that we cannot peacefully coexist with such a different group of people. Yet, we force the coexistence to the point where we apparently are willing to sacrifice some of our own, or maybe many, to force a narrative into existence or something like that. Why are we even friends with the Saudis? Their religion tells them we are Kafirs. Because of money, oil, weapons, and things like that don’t you think? Now, we can choose to understand that oil and water don’t mix or we can choose to pretend they do.

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:16 pm #

        They are coming after our country and our religion.

        The rest I agree with you!

        • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

          I know I was just being silly. But in my defense, in the sense that they are coming after our country and our religion, they are actually coming after me and you.

    • Nightowl December 7, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

      With the exception that the flight school instructor who taught the supposed 9/11 hijackers also said they couldn’t even fly a cessna, never mind a 747.

      • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 2:17 pm #

        Some of them are allegedly alive too.

        • Nightowl December 7, 2019 at 2:59 pm #

          To date, there is virtually no evidence whatsoever to back the Big Lie, and mountains of evidence to the contrary.

          • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 6:49 pm #

            You mean like it was actually a missle that hit the Pentagon and not a plane? Isn’t there also footage that shows what looks like a missle hitting one of the Towers? I can barely take watching any of the footage because its so sad.

          • benr December 7, 2019 at 9:36 pm #


            I have posted this before and I will do so again.
            I have personally talked to a lady that saw the plane hit the pentagon.
            She had no reason to lie to me.

          • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 1:36 am #

            bentover – she probably has reason to lie to everyone she tells her made up story to.

            It’s not always all about you.

          • Nightowl December 8, 2019 at 8:52 am #

            RE: The Pentagon: I don’t know what hit it. But it sure is odd that no one can show us a video not shot from a potato in a car park.

          • benr December 8, 2019 at 10:23 am #


            Just because you lie all the time does not mean this lady would.
            Are you now going to say no one saw the planes hit the trade centers either?
            It was a holographic image and mass delusion right?

      • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:19 pm #

        Yes, I remember this vividly. They were taught to fly and aim the planes. They were not taught how to land them.

        • JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:22 pm #

          This had to be the biggest failure of our intelligence community ever. They have not improved much.

        • Nightowl December 7, 2019 at 2:56 pm #

          You believe they could fly a 747 at all? Do you know how difficult that is? Have you ever looked into the flight paths?

          • benr December 8, 2019 at 10:24 am #

            You do know there are flight sims that are very good at teaching people how to fly all manner of aircraft now?

            The military uses them to teach pilots to fly fighter aircraft and drones.

      • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:34 pm #

        “couldn’t even fly a cessna, never mind a 747.”

        Flying is easy…landing is hard.

        • Nightowl December 8, 2019 at 2:33 pm #

          Flying a 747 into a target is also hard. Even harder 3 times. Take a look at the flight path of the Pentagon plane in particular. A group of pros tried to recreate it on a sim and said it was impossible.

          The 9/11 fairytale is the biggest hoax in modern history.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:34 pm #

      He just said the FBI. Amazing. Our friends, right Johnny?

  46. SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 12:35 pm #

    Putting a dog down because it’s peed on the carpet too many times!!!??? Now that makes me want to cry!!!!! Was there an honest effort to see if vinegar and maybe just a touch of lime or eucalyptus oil on the favorited spots would deter the dog from doing its business where it isn’t appropriate? Then again, the carpet could just be ripped out too. Trust me, carpet is ewww anyway when you start thinking of everything that gets imbedded in it over time. And hardwood, tile, etc., floors are so much easier to keep clean. But anyhow, now if you want to put the Democrat Party down, please do. And the Republican Party too while your at at. I can support that happily and wholeheartedly.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:50 pm #

      Several Tom Cats have wanted to move in with me over the years. Once in, they happily roamed the premises spraying in every room to mark their territory. They never got in again.

      There’s a moral in there somewhere. One of them I really loved but I would have had to castrate him to let him live with me – and he was simply too magnificent to do such a thing.

      People don’t know this but some cats can almost talk. They sound like Scooby Doo. One Cat I hardly knew got into the house thru the hole in the basement. He explained to me at length why he had every right to move in with me, but I was not moved.

      • malthuss December 7, 2019 at 5:36 pm #

        why did you let them in? they were outdoor cats.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 2:18 am #

          They came in thru the basement. Or I weakened and let them in for a treat. The special one sprayed some of my books, horrible stuff half way between urine and spunk.

      • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 6:16 pm #

        Well cats really meow just for and to people for the most part. I’ve heard them talking the way you are describing in youtube videos but mine just meow. Sometimes really loud and other times just whispers. Cats are actually low maintenance for the most part. I really want a miniature pig lol. They are so adorable but very high maintenance so its just a funny thought. But surely you must have a dog? Or at least it sounded like from some of your posts before that maybe you did.

        • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 2:15 am #

          Yes, Pigs are supposed to be wonderful pets, very intelligent and loving. I want a raccoon, a horse, a donkey, and a pig. And of course lots of cats and dogs.

          My family had dogs in the past. Cats generally fit my situations better. I love how they are in our world but not constrained by it, jumping our fences or going under them.

          Perhaps some of the Pigs can be trained and used as guard animals.

          • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 6:28 am #

            Cats have no memory, much like Americans [ Manessah ].

    • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 3:43 am #

      I remember when I lived in a place with dirt floors. Even dirt floor owners wouldn’t suffer a dog that was cheeky monkey enough to piss around with human superiors.

    • K-Dog December 8, 2019 at 11:15 pm #

      Putting a dog down because he peed on the carpet too many times.. Oh how I agree. A rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper would have been enough. But the pee did have a foul odor and the carpet was old. The dog does not even miss it being gone.

  47. JohnAZ December 7, 2019 at 2:25 pm #

    Hey, SSL

    Wanna get mad?

    Today. Watch Pearl Harbor, the Truth on the History Channel. Talk about Deep State.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 3:36 pm #

      You know about the Israeli attack on the Liberty, right? President Johnson said, Let them sink it.

      A secret Jew? Or just a high level Mason loyal to his Allies and not America?

      • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 6:28 pm #

        and thus President Johnson sounds horrible too!

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 6:27 pm #

      I don’t get the History Channel. Could you tell me what the gist of it is? I’ve heard before that FDR knew the attack was coming and wanted to use it as a perfect excuse to jump into the war. It sounds like he was a horrible president.

      • capt spaulding December 7, 2019 at 7:48 pm #

        “I don’t get the History Channel.” You could always do the unheard of, and read a book.

      • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 11:07 am #

        Tora, Tora, Tora went into some of the details. Basically, the folks in DC knew they were thumbing their nose at Japan, thinking that Japan could not fight back against us. We were using oil sanctions against Japan to stop their incursions against China. It was working, and Japan finally had to either kowtow to the US or challenge us. History records what happened.

        Intelligence in DC had broken the Japanese code and knew something was up as communication between Tokyo and Their embassy in DC showed the official shutdown of relations that was coming. The Japanese actually intended to inform the DC scene of its attack on Pearl but they were too late delivering it. Why? They couldn’t type fast enough. The intelligence group had released its finding that attack was imminent, but due to a bunch of incompetent decision making the info was sent to the General and Admiral in Pearl eight hours after the battle. A lot of Japanese spying was going on prior to the attack including folks telling Japanese command where all the ships were located in port. Again, intelligence knew it was going on and did nothing about it.

        Of course, conspiracists have had a heyday with this. It was known that FDR was sympathetic to England against Germany. I believe that arrogance on the part of the upper levels of the Intel groups and the executive branch that Japan was incapable of attacking us led to their ignoring and suppressing info.

        A radar site on Oahu’s north shore saw the incoming Japanese and were ignored, thinking it was a flight of B17s. The civic folks on Oahu actually had done defensive drills in anticipation of the Japanese prior to Dec. 7, directed by a suspicious military. Another thing stoking the conspirators was the absence of the carriers in Pearl Harbor. There was a real major battle going on in the Navy Department about the future role of the Navy. Battleships vs, Carriers. Pearl made the argument moot. Midway sealed the deal.

        Anyway, there are some of the ding dong things that our government did prior to Pearl Harbor. I bring it up because a lot of the same attitudes that existed then exist now. Have we learned from history? I think not!

        • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 3:03 pm #

          Great points John. The original movie intimated all that, but way back in ~1970 no one dared speak those truths nor believe them.

          Funny how life and lies go. Life goes on and lies eventually get exposed. And so we learn that our precious “Exceptional American Empire” never actually was all that, and that all the bullshit we’ve been fed all these years has an expiration date and it’s coming due on our watch. The realization always sucks big time up front, but once you get over the initial shock. you begin top realize how freeing the realization actually is.

  48. Nightowl December 7, 2019 at 2:37 pm #

    You heard it from the hard hitting journos at Business Insider first!

    “Trump’s salt and pepper shakers tower over everyone else’s. Obama, Bush, and Clinton used the same size shakers as their guests.”


    It appears we may have a Fake News story that outdoes Two-Scoopsgate!

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

      Do you know about the Owl on the Dollar Bill? Compliments of the Owl Cult (Minerva) a la Bohemian Grove.

      • Nightowl December 8, 2019 at 2:39 pm #

        It is interesting stuff, I will say that.

        Years ago I went to the Octagon Museum in DC. They had a special exhibit open for one day only. The exhibit was on the uppermost floor, and is normally closed to the public.

        It was a history of Masonry, ancient Egypt, and DC. Our group walked out of it understanding little but being relatively sure that we know next to nothing about the real history of the United States and the ruling classes. It was also creepy as fuck.

  49. Janos Skorenzy December 7, 2019 at 4:00 pm #

    The New Girl at work fell in love with me. Now she wants her dignity back. I cannot give it to her. But I did love her back. Is that not enough?

    No, evidently. Most of the women who have thrown themselves at me found a brick wall and they slid unceremoniously down. She found my Soul.

    One is reminded of the Muslims who gave their blessings by a mistake (at a distance) to an infidel and then asked him if they could get them back. Now she sees me for who I am? Or was her first look the correct one, when deep spoke unto deep?

    In any case, hopefully she learns to hide her feelings a bit better next time. The personality or persona is just such a mask. She couldn’t seem to help it though – and I was very flattered. I felt very tender towards her, knowing the mistake she was making.

    • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:42 pm #

      “Now she wants her dignity back”

      How did you take it in the first place? I really would like to know.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 1:02 pm #

        She threw it at me and I liked it. But yeah, at least I didn’t scorn her or just act polite.

    • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm #

      The Janos is a sexual being? I sense there is much more going on here than meets the page. Oh what tawdry tales will remain forever untold?

      One wonders, having found your soul, did she recoil in… horror? Disgust? Disinterest? Boredom? Amusement? The mind boggles.

  50. sunburstsoldier December 7, 2019 at 5:08 pm #

    Ideals are not fantasies, rather they should be thought of as ‘optimal states’–the very best which can be achieved or realized in any particular situation. In life we have the choice to pursue ideals or indulge ourselves lamenting the existing status quo, which is, in most cases, far from being ideal. Especially those of us who live far enough above the poverty line so that every waking moment of our existence is not consumed with survival, there really is no excuse not to pursue ideals. It is a luxury we can afford and to do otherwise is to “miss the mark”.

    • SoftStarLight December 7, 2019 at 6:40 pm #

      You know what. Sometimes things just suck and there isn’t anything you can do about or no amount of fluffy, pretty sounding words you can say to change it. Yes, presumably the best use of one’s energy would be to move closer to a goal or an ideal as you say. And yet life has valleys and there is never any way to get away from it so its better to embrace the bad with the good. And then again, your ideal may very well be different from another person’s ideal. So they may just feel like everything is ok even if you think they are “missing the mark”.

      • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 1:39 am #

        “How sad and twisted Evelyn. So do you even celebrate “xmas” or does the “White Man’s” religion disgust you so much that you turn to bitterness to rebuff the joys of the season? After all, you have told us repeatedly that the belief in any deity is a mind fake”

        SSL – Carrying on from last week…

        Lately you have been acting like a worm just slid onto a fish hook when it comes to finding a way to make you ease up on your habitual scowling unchristian attitude towards people who are not white. You castigate ME for not embracing your ludicrous religiosity in my haiku no matter I try to stick to the story line they fed me. You expect the fable of what happened at xmas time, and why, according to goat herders from twenty centuries ago, to be easy to swallow. Yet you stubbornly refuse to offer help make things taught to us less mentally advanced ones more credible.

        Let me run through the story line we innocents were taught on the reservation. Maybe with your mental advancement you could explain some of the confusing parts.

        * * *

        We’ve got one omniscient being – check

        We’ve got the same omniscient being, as being all powerful – check

        We’ve got the same omniscient, all powerful being so full of Love for all mankind, Love is bursting out of every orifice in his mystical body – check

        Now the all powerful, omniscient Love squirting Being wants to slake his anger for mankind by sending his only begotten son (whatever a begotten son is, and why only one, and why not any only begotten daughters?) down to a place where his anger is focused, to make peace (or whatever) – check

        The peace making ordeal is such that his bastard emissary is tortured, and eventually put on a cross to scream his lungs out. His screaming is asking why his (unmarried) father abandoned him to this ruthless bunch of motherfuckers who even stuck a crown of thorns in his noggin – check

        After the screaming stops, the ruthless psychopathic, but Loving, father bestows his blessing on mankind and again allows them to come back to his party house in the sky, providing they don’t fuck up in some way before they start their dirt naps – check

        Ignoring all the other questions that arise from this kaka fairy tale, why couldn’t the psycho father have arranged for the introduction of his bastard son into such a hostile world be in a way to avoid crushing skulls and slashing throats of so many innocent babies? Something as simple as having Herod suffer a heart attack or a brain aneurism.

        Anyway, to aid your mental advancement, another xmas haiku for you. I hope it isn’t too spacey for you.

        Astral awareness
        Makes sapient magi grieve
        Herod’s dark decree

        • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 2:22 am #

          God allow evil. He does not will it. If He made all things good, how would we ever grow or desire to leave this vale of tears and come back to Him?

          We could have had that perhaps, but we sinned. Some say growth could have been possible even in Paradise, going from strength to strength and from light to greater light. But we chose the other way….

          • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 3:26 am #

            I have never sinned in my life. If I can go this long without sinning then there is no reason even people like you can’t avoid sinning too.

          • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 6:38 am #

            Are you using the ” missing the mark ” definition or are you using the ” transgression of the law ” definition [ 1 John 3:4 ]?

          • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 6:42 am #

            “But we chose the other way…”

            The rebellion was happening long before we came along. We are simply caught up in it.

          • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 11:56 am #

            Evelyn everyone has sinned. It’s simply part of life. Your boast of perfection here is actually a sin. You are actually advanced in your thinking on spiritual things. Is there perfection in this plane of existence? I haven’t seen it and neither have you.

          • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:48 pm #

            God offers carrots
            And carries the biggest stick
            Vale of tears, Indeed!

        • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 11:17 am #

          Why not daughters?

          Easy, men were husbands and fathers and were the overall caretakers of the family unit at that time. So the caretaker attitude of God was manifested in the male character.

          Also, in the Hebrew, as well as most other groups, the male was spiritually dominant to the female. That aspect continues as an attitude today in certain groups.

          Here is another interesting idea. Females are the life givers, males are the life takers. Maybe women do not need the spiritual direction men have so much trouble with.

          • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 11:27 am #

            Women typically try to get men to do their killing for them – be it bugs, mice, something good to eat, or someone whom they want gone. The latter includes the life growing inside them. Have you heard of a thing called abortion, John?

          • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 3:09 pm #

            Ha, Janos! When I wrote that, I was thinking of you.

            Think about the way today’s world has changed relative to my statement. Emasculated males and masculine females. Who wants abortions, females that do not want to be inconvenienced but want to screw with indiscretion, or maybe they messed up.

            If you are one that believes that we are getting more evil with time, maybe this changeover will help explain it partially.

            Think about this, the male proclivity to protect the female of the species. Do you think the masculine girls utilize this at all? You better believe it. If all forms of chivalry disappeared and women has to hold their own, things would change.

            Let alone that the ladies are the givers of sex.

        • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 11:51 am #

          I don’t recall ever criticizing you because you weren’t Christian. Maybe because you are an atheist? But provide me with a specific example please. I did criticize your rude characterization of the story of the virgin birth. Just because you don’t believe something doesn’t give you license to be rude. Can you be anyway? Of course. Can I criticize you for doing that? Of course.

          • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 2:13 pm #

            Oh for Christ’s sake SSL! You imply your criticism by your disdainful, snarly way of pointing out I don’t believe in the same fairytale as you.

          • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 8:30 pm #

            Wow that is a curious accusation. You infer that I had a “tone” of disdainful and snarly when I had none. Haven’t you said that all religions are basically a fairytale? I apologize here if I misunderstood, but that is my impression from your previous posts on the matter so please do clarify. So therefore I don’t anticipate finding agreement with you anywhere in this conversation nor will any explanation I have for anything I believe satisfy you. Your goals here are clear and you are free to believe what you believe. As much as you hate Christianity and White America you appear to be free to criticize away unless I’m missing something. I have a sneaking suspicion you wouldn’t have such liberties to openly criticize Islam for example in Saudi Arabia, or Kim Jong-un in North Korea who believes he is a god, or Xi Jinping in China who thinks he is a god. So then I come back to thinking about how actual Christianity is less and less a part of this new “American” culture each year and how Liberal Secularism, which is your style, has won. And since you don’t believe in any of it at all anyway I continue to wonder why you even really care?

          • EvelynV December 9, 2019 at 3:31 am #

            You don’t know what my style is, you don’t know what I hate and don’t hate, you do misunderstand a lot and as always I’m amused by your non-sequiturs and hyperbole. SA, China, and Korea have nothing to do with this conversation and hate is such an overused word. I have no hate in me for anything I can think of. From what I hear hate is something so strong it destroys any vessel that contains it. I can certainly imagine things that would cause hate to arise in me but happily in my life none of things have come along yet. I sure hate the way you exaggerate.

          • EvelynV December 9, 2019 at 3:42 am #

            BTW SSL – what do you mean “rude”? I stuck to the script. Virgin birth I would imagine to be painful. Many people who disagree with christian doctrine believe Mary was fucked by a Roman soldier, and it was consensual. My Haiku allowed you to keep your imaginary winged monster in the picture. You are sure hard to please sometimes. Maybe you need to reread the haiku I wrote.

            The young woman’s fate
            Joyless angelic rape then
            Painful virgin birth.

        • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 2:07 pm #

          SSL – I didn’t boast perfection, I just pointed out that I haven’t committed sins. There is a big difference.

          If I paint a picture that is a mediocre likeness of a person say, I could say I didn’t commit any artistic sins but I couldn’t claim that my painting was perfect, especially if you can compare it to one painted by someone else that was such a perfect likeness you could easily mistake it for a photograph.

          But heck, I was just teasing anyway, I’m sure I’ve committed one or two sins in my life but surely nothing so grievous that a psychopathic, loving god would require his only begotten son to be tortured in order to provide what the psychopath needed to feel relief from his vengeful impulses. I’ll tell, that god you and some of your buddies on this forum believe in is one sick bastard and I suggest you check out some other religion. You might have to head East to find something less terrifying.

          • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 8:47 pm #

            Yeah, just imagine if we worshipped some bloodthirsty Indian god that required us to cut the hearts out of their human sacrifices while they were alive. Thanks but no thanks. Psychopaths can be found anywhere there are people. But you know that anyway right?

          • Billy Hill December 8, 2019 at 9:31 pm #

            I lay the blame squarely on Gutenberg for the above. The masses were better off with ignorant monks mumbling pigeon Latin, leaving the details of theology to the scholastics.

            Instead we have the barely literate unequipped for symbolic interpretation engaged in teleological discourse publishable at best in The National Enquirer. At least they know their audience.

          • EvelynV December 9, 2019 at 3:46 am #

            SSL – is that what you think Native Americans believe or believed? If so, one more piece of evidence that you are seriously ignorant.

      • sunburstsoldier December 8, 2019 at 12:41 pm #

        Ideals are pursued within the context of problem-solving SSL, so no you don’t miss the “valleys in life” rather you plow right into them. Yet these valleys, the tumultuous ups and downs of daily existence, might these not be in themselves the consequences of a failure to pursue ideals in a rigorous and sustained manner? As I’ve said before, most of the struggle and difficulties in life, especially for those who enjoy the comfort and convenience of an advanced technological civilization, are caused by a failure of human beings to develop themselves properly…

        • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 9:00 pm #

          Ok. I didn’t mean to sound so dismissive of your post and I’m sorry for that. I would be interested to hear more on your perspective of getting through the valleys. I don’t disagree with your assertions on the good of continuously working toward your goals and ideals. But life can certainly have unexpected twists and turns is all.

    • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 6:32 am #

      Let’s make the comments for today ideal. I’d love to read some ideal comments. I think everyone would.

      • SoftStarLight December 8, 2019 at 12:07 pm #

        It’s ok to embrace how you feel and to see it and talk about. I don’t regret doing so. It wasn’t a mistake. From my perspective at least. I don’t expect anyone to change. And knowing that I am special too, we all are in our own way, makes me smile.

  51. Pucker December 8, 2019 at 2:05 am #

    “ That’s one way to drain a swamp. Historical obfuscators might say the Civil War was a lofty, legalistic quarrel over “state’s rights,” but of course it was really about the intolerable depravity of slavery. ”

    From my readings, the US Civil War was not initially about the “depravity of slavery”, at least not until after Grant’s Army invaded Mississippi and the Ohio, Illinois, and Iowa farm boys saw slavery firsthand. Prior to that time, Northerners really didn’t have any idea what slavery was like. Another pivotal moment was General Lee’s fateful decision to invade Maryland. Prior to that time, many in the North viewed the Civil War as an unjust war of the North beating up on the South. (Which it was….) After Lee’s invasion of Maryland, the Northerners thinking changed, and the war was about the South projecting the evil of slavery. There’s something about a foreign army invading your territory which has a profound propaganda effect on people.

    • Billy Hill December 8, 2019 at 9:55 pm #

      Lee invaded Maryland to bring the war home to the wavering, unenthusiastic North and hopefully break the will to fight. He had little choice as time was not on his side. Had Jeb Stuart not been delayed and had Lee exploited the battle space better Gettysburg might have been a draw or a Union defeat. But who knows? “There’s something about a foreign army invading your territory which has a profound propaganda effect on people.” Shelby Foote in the Ken Burns series recounted the answer of up-country non-slave-owning Southerners when asked by Union troops why they fought: “We’re fighting you because you’re down here.”

  52. Pucker December 8, 2019 at 2:09 am #

    If the Swamp can be provoked into shedding the blood of the Deplorables on TV, then we can Drain the Swamp.

    • BackRowHeckler December 8, 2019 at 3:37 am #

      When I left Hartford at 2:00 am it was 11°F, by the time I got home temp had dropped to 6°F.


      Listening to BBC, learned professor from Ireland saying the ‘Global North’ owes the ‘Global South’ $100 trillion to counter the effects of climate change. The whole scam is starting to sound like a shakedown, and we’re the ones being shook down. He started talking about hurricanes in Mozambique, which apparently are our fault. They never had hurricanes in Mozambique before. The money to pay off ‘climate refugees’ is to come out of taxing pension funds in NAmerica and Europe. Have you noticed leadership in the ‘climate movement’ have taken an inordinate interest in that deep pool of cash, pension funds?


      • malthuss December 8, 2019 at 7:35 am #

        shakedown indeed.

      • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 11:27 am #

        One group trying to screw another is the history of Mankind.

        AGW is just the Latest methodology.

        You notice that 100% of the money being spent is trying to prove the existence of AGW, and not well.

        Where are the solutions? About the only thing I agree with AOC is her picture of what is needed to slow pollution and CO2 generation.

        Impossible to do, but it points a direction that humanity needs to go. Or maybe, will be forced to go due to Peak Oil.

      • stelmosfire December 8, 2019 at 11:28 am #

        2 below at 6:30 here Marlin, with 15-18″ of snow still in the backyard. 55 on Tuesday with maybe a couple inches of rain. Can you say floods? Actually pretty same old,same old for these parts.
        HOW DARE YOU!

        • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 12:24 pm #

          I wonder about the transitions between ice ages and what we have now.

          Supposedly there was a mile deep ice sheet over the Northern US.

          Think about how much of a change that temperature would have to make to stop the removal of a winters worth of snow during the following summer. Certainly not the avg. of 2-3 degrees C that AGWis concerned about now. Right now, fractions of a degree average are causing the erosion of ice sheets everywhere.

          Something else is going on the explain what I believe need to be big changes in average temp to cause glaciation and thawing of mile deep ice sheets. ???

          • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:53 pm #

            “Something else is going on the explain what I believe need to be big changes in average temp to cause glaciation and thawing of mile deep ice sheets. ???”

            Another variable? Whoda’ thunk it????

          • Epicur December 8, 2019 at 2:57 pm #

            “Something else is going on the explain what I believe need to be big changes in average temp to cause glaciation and thawing of mile deep ice sheets. ???”

            You are not alone in questioning the adequacy of the Milankovitch Model to fully explain the timing of glaciations.

            This (linked below) is an interesting theory which may prove right. The suggested testing for iridium over the full 860,000 years of the last 4 glaciations has not been done and probably will not be done for some time (due to expense and inadequacy of testing methods). They have tested for iridium since the end of the last glaciation, but the task was quite difficult – an article describing it is linked at his page.

            One VERY interesting difference is that the Milankvitch Model says the glaciers will not return for about 40,000 years while the linked model says likely within 1,000 or so, maybe even now.

            Notice that Muller is at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and his paper was published in Nature, this is not lunatic fringe stuff.



          • BackRowHeckler December 8, 2019 at 5:40 pm #


            Apparently several thousand Climate Extinction protesters in London do not visit this blog, did not read your post, and did not read that report from Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory. How do I know? Today they shut down London’s main airport, in an attempt to get the UK government to “do something” about the weather. (Which isn’t good, according to them)

            Flights delayed at immeasureable economic loss, thousands of people inconvenienced … a result of this strange obsession with the weather that borders on lunacy, perhaps best explained in the seminal 1850s work ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”.


    • Pucker December 8, 2019 at 5:37 am #

      The useless Regime Change Wars should be rightly portrayed as the Swamp needlessly spilling the blood of the Deplorables rather than as the Deplorables keeping America safe. The Regime Change Wars are an attack on Middle America by the treasonous Swamp.

      • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 11:43 am #

        Yes. One of many ways that they make war against their own people. Thus do we die from a thousand cuts.

        And think of how many raped and murdered girls our Black GI’s have inflicted on Europe, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan during these decades of “peace”!

  53. messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 8:37 am #

    “Ignoring all the other questions that arise from this kaka fairy tale, why couldn’t the psycho father have arranged for the introduction of his bastard son into such a hostile world be in a way to avoid crushing skulls and slashing throats of so many innocent babies? ”

    Since you insist on avoiding all the explanation that preceded [ and followed ] the event you must face the possibility that it is for the same reason He allows you to continue writing haiku.

  54. messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 9:03 am #

    This one:

    “We’ve got the same omniscient, all powerful being so full of Love for all mankind, Love is bursting out of every orifice in his mystical body – check”

    contradicts this one:

    “Now the all powerful, omniscient Love squirting Being wants to slake his anger for mankind by sending his only begotten son (whatever a begotten son is, and why only one, and why not any only begotten daughters?) down to a place where his anger is focused, to make peace (or whatever) – check”

    He is dealing with more than “mankind”. We are caught up in it because we are ignorant [ lack of knowledge ] and wish to remain ignorant [ won’t ask a question unless we already have an answer that satisfies US ] and disparage any seekers for being ostentatious.

    • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 9:53 am #

      Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “‘I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:3 is quoted in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’”

      • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 11:32 am #

        Thus God is made into a Monster. Esau is also his son. You need to read other scriptures too. The Bible is far from infallible. One minute you have a cosmic perspective and then the next you fall into – this.

        Ishmael, that wild ass of a man, whose hand is against all and all against him? What a wonderful inheritance, far more noble than the House of Jacob the Liar.

        • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 12:58 pm #

          “The Bible is far from infallible.”

          The Bible, as writ,
          A series of parables,
          From self-serving scribes.

        • messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 5:30 pm #

          All men are liars.

          What part of “in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls” do you not comprehend?

          Purpose – “Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God, with a different purpose.

          Election – therefore means that God is causing, and man is responding to that causal force. This is so clear that we cannot deviate from the plain meaning without doing cartwheels in a swamp. The big objection, both for the Greeks and for the Sadducees, was that of maintaining God’s justice.”


          Works – You, like many, believe that your choices, your acceptance, your determinations are that which impels you to salvation ![ specifically – justification ] when actually it was the Creators intention which set in course all the events of your life.

          It is a common misconception that these books are the records of every deed done by humanity. Some teach that God keeps a record book on each person in the world. However, this really misses the point. The books at the Great White throne judgement are the books of the Law, by which all sin is judged. John tells us that “sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4), and Paul adds, “where there is no law, neither is there violation” (Rom. 4:15). In other words, the Law of God is what defines sin and righteousness. It is the divine standard by which the works of men are measured. Without a law, there is no crime committed. Thus, the Law is what God uses to judge humanity [ man-king ] for sin, or as Paul puts it, “the law brings about wrath” (Rom. 4:15).

          Calls – God is the one who calls and elects, so the believer’s calling and election are already “sure” from God’s point of view; therefore, the command for believers to diligently make their calling and election sure must refer to the believers’ point of view. God wants us to have assurance of our justification, and the best way to do that is to be pursuing godly virtues [ having the law written on your heart ] and growing in christ [ anointing ].

  55. messianicdruid December 8, 2019 at 9:10 am #

    “If He made all things good, how would we ever grow or desire to leave this vale of tears and come back to Him?”

    God made Lucifer. Lucifer became Satan.

    God made us. We became Janos and messianicdruid. See the difference? Don’t expect everyone to.

    • Janos Skorenzy December 8, 2019 at 11:34 am #

      Even Jim Jones was once good…..

  56. PeteAtomic December 8, 2019 at 9:42 am #

    OK I predict (and I never do this, so we’ll see what happens!) is that Hillary announces for Prez between Dec. 20th & Jan.3rd.
    I put out that time frame cuz the Iowa demo caucuses are Feb. 3rd, and she is the type of sociopath that she believes that announcing her candidacy around the holidays would cause excitement.

    ? I think she is gonna be coming in to the race.. she has a strong organization, she could raise millions instantaneously, the rest of the field is on life support at this point, and of course the strongest factor we can’t ignore– she is a power hungry sociopath! lol

    • elysianfield December 8, 2019 at 1:00 pm #

      “… announcing her candidacy around the holidays would cause excitement”

      Yes, it would definitely push my buttons.

      • K-Dog December 8, 2019 at 11:06 pm #

        A lump of COAL please. And I promise to be good next time. Anything but that.

    • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 1:54 pm #

      Sounds reasonable, although she hasn’t quite worked up to that “inevitable” status – the idea that she’s only throwing her hat in the ring because it’s apparently inevitable that she be Prez – just yet. But either way, you’re right, she’ll be “in it to win it” all too soon enough. And I have no doubt whatsoever that suitable “electoral arrangements” have been made to ensure that the “proper outcome” occurs this time around, regardless of any untoward recalcitrant electorate ideas to the contrary. They don’t call it “manufacturing consent” for nothing!

  57. EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 11:16 am #

    Benr – In response to you questions about the CGI videos we all saw depicting a hypothetical collision of airplanes into the twin towers on 911.

    But first I appreciate you asking the question and giving me this opportunity to bring up the subject. I forgive you for your hurtful slam of accusing me of lying, I know you weren’t serious and were just trying to get even for all the times I’ve playfully teased you.

    This youTube video would knock America’s socks off if it everyone was to watch it.


    • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 11:54 am #

      This video was also strongly persuasive because it examined the structure of the buildings in detail and shows how strongly built the perimeters outer structure was built. Massive strength in the outer walls because the design was such that much of the buildings overall support relied on the perimeter. Among other things the building was specifically designed to withstand being hit by an airplane.

      Any plane that struck it would have exhibited dramatic collapse of the front of the plane when the impact occurred.

      The fake videos we all saw on 911 are laughable once you are informed about the physical mechanics of it all.


      • JohnAZ December 8, 2019 at 12:14 pm #


        Thank you for this. Reading the comments after the video adds a lot.

        My conclusion after watching this is that either the planes were made of uranium, like a bunker buster artillery round, or the Towers were made of plastic.

        My question though is Why? And Who? Who benefitted by the destruction of the towers?

        Also, why did al Queda jump in and take credit and bring on Afghanistan?

        And What happened to the people on those three unaccounted for aircraft, where did they go? Also Flight 93.

        One final thought, after the first explosion, airplanes were immediately suspected, they saw the two heading for DC. Where was the Federal reaction? Sorties? Fighter response?

        • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 1:31 pm #

          JohnAZ, if you are serious about the questions you ask you can find plenty of answers on the web.

          You will find that Osama bin Laden denied being responsible. Later several videos were supposedly released by Osama taking credit but mountains of dispute that the character depicted in those videos was really Osama.

          Who benefited by the destruction of the Towers is a long list. Beginning with the owners of the towers themselves who were facing extraordinary large expenses for mandated expenses they were due to incur (I think for asbestos control as well as other things). They is much shady information about the pre-911 insurance shanigans that took place and the killing they made afterwards from the insurance payouts.

          You also might explore the issue of the never discovered stock transactions where inordinate shorting went on beforehand that netted someone big profits on the airlines involved.

          We never seem to hear much about the people supposedly on the planes but I haven’t looked into that aspect much.

          As for the fighter response etc. Surely you must know about the unprecedented goings on in that realm?! In a never before occurrence in the history of NORAD, control of NORAD was taken over for one day only by the Vice President of the United States Dick Cheney, whose former company Halliburton, made enormous profits from the invasion of Iraq.

          My god, the so called 911 story is so rotten to the core it is more staggering to realize how much wool was pulled over the eyes of the public than even the Kennedy Assassination.

          • capt spaulding December 8, 2019 at 8:37 pm #

            “You can find plenty of answers on the web”. Yes indeed. For example did you know that Captain Kangaroo was a marine who fought in the Pacific in WWII? Or that Mr Rogers was an ex Navy Seal? You can find confirmation of these things just by Googling them. You can also find confirmation of just about every other crackpot idea you have come across. Go for it, I say. The moon landing was fake. It’s impossible to land on green cheese. I rest my case.

        • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 2:38 pm #

          Criminy John, do some fucking research!

          Start with this:


          Just a primer, don’t necessarily agree with it all. Way too condescending in the end.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 7:33 pm #

          Hey, John – it’s only been 18 years. Surely your curiosity has been piqued before now?

      • Epicur December 8, 2019 at 3:51 pm #

        “Massive strength in the outer walls…”

        The outer walls were light architectural elements on floors that were cantilevered out from structural steel box columns (connected by girders). The only “massive” elements were the concrete elevator cores. This is typical modern high-rise construction.

        Equating the plane hitting the building with the building hitting the plane is WRONG because this omits MOMENTUM. The buildings are effectively at rest in the earth’s gravitational field, the planes are moving in same.

        Modern jet airliners, while they have monocoque fuselages have girders in the wings that are quite strong.

        I have no delusions that I can change your mind, but you could at least get some facts right.

        • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

          My mind could be changed but you’ll have to provide better proof. The second video I posted went into describing the construction in great detail and it disagreed with your assertions.

        • Majella December 8, 2019 at 8:03 pm #

          To be clear, the “No Planes” theory has a number of problems with it and I’m agnostic on the question.

          However, the theory does ask some interesting questions and Epi’s answers aren’t there yet.

          Re: Tower Walls’ strength:

          “The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns which acted as Vierendeel trusses. Although the columns themselves were lightweight, they were spaced closely together, forming a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 59 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings.”

          I’m pretty sure even lightweight steel would survive a collision with even re-inforced aluminium. The said girders would also, necessarily, be made of aluminium.

          Re: Plane hits Building v. Building hits Plane:

          If two objects, moving at, say 100 kph, collide head-on, the combined speed of the impact is 2 x 100 kph, or 200 kph.

          If one of the objects is stationary, then the impact is only that imparted by moving object – e.g. 100 kph.

          So, Epi, could you give some further explanation of how the stationary object’s mass & the moving object’s momentum have some effect on the outcome here? I can’t see it.

    • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 2:27 pm #

      Mostly a plus, I guess, in that it at least casts doubt on the official 9-11 story for the neophytes. I have to admit, I didn’t watch all of the video, but the idea that the planes hitting the towers were CGI is simply wrong. They were real planes alright – remotely controlled drones – which were just reaching technological maturity at the time. But the towers were (as correctly noted) brought down by internally planted explosives, many of them developed quite close to where I sit right now. I think the current research still indicates that the Pentagon was hit by a missile (fairly incontrovertible at this point) while Shanksville was either a missile, ground explosives, or a combination of the two (no aircraft wreckage was ever found).

      The important thing to note is that the official story falls apart laughably after minimal tugging on a single thread or two. None of which concerned those in charge at the time in the least, as they knew full well the value of creating a legend. Granted, the magic show created on 9-11 was truly amazing for it’s time – I watched it in real time and was TOTALLY convinced! – but the real genius in it all was the knowledge of the manipulation of the human psyche, and how a relatively small but extremely traumatic incident could be so easily leveraged into convincing so many of so much based on so little.

      Simulacrum. It’s an important concept if you want understand the world today.

      • ellipsis December 8, 2019 at 3:21 pm #

        To add: what I find troubling are the needlessly magical explanations for 9-11 – particle beam weapons and the like – which insert phantastical explanations where none are needed to explain otherwise completely explainable “magic shows” using nothing more than readily available technological measures available at the time. 9-11 was quite impressive enough as it was; but in the end, it was easily explainable using currently available technology, and nothing more.

        • EvelynV December 8, 2019 at 3:57 pm #


          With all that said how do you blow off so easily the elements brought out in the video I posted? The planes hitting the towers were as if they flew into a black hole. That is, nothing whatsoever of the planes are shown as blowback from the impact point. The wall of the building behaved as if an event horizon (in the videos we saw on television).

          Has the source for the videos broadcast on the nationwide network ever been identified? I doubt any news agencies happened to have video cameras set-up pointing at the place in the sky where the first plane approached and subsequently appeared to crash into the building.

          • K-Dog December 8, 2019 at 11:25 pm #

            There are a few different ways to look at it. The relevance of the linked video is I know I can’t be the only one who saw the explosive bolts before the video was edited.

  58. Figaro December 8, 2019 at 10:45 pm #

    ” Somebody else, from some other hastily assembled party, may have to stand against Mr. Trump in 2020.”

    Some other hastily assembled party? Not necessarily. I can imagine the
    flutter of bat wings as Countess Dracula herself takes flight from
    Chappaqua to Washington to reclaim her stolen inheritance.

    • K-Dog December 8, 2019 at 11:04 pm #

      The nexus of her sense of entitlement spans decades. With much in common they gaze together at their reflections in the golden pond.


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  8. Kunstler: "All The Players In This Great Game Of 'Gotcha' Are About To Face The Consequences" | Zero Hedge - December 6, 2019

    […] Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com, […]

  9. Kunstler: "All The Players In This Great Game Of 'Gotcha' Are About To Face The Consequences" | WeAreChangeTV.US - December 6, 2019

    […] Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com, […]

  10. Kunstler: “All The Players In This Great Game Of ‘Gotcha’ Are About To Face The Consequences” | Real Patriot News - December 6, 2019

    […] Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com, […]

  11. Kunstler: "All The Players In This Great Game Of 'Gotcha' Are About To Face The Consequences" | Newzsentinel - December 6, 2019

    […] Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com, […]

  12. Who Will Stand Against Trump With The Demise Of The Dems? | Not Something Else - December 7, 2019

    […] election year was 1860,” says James Howard Kunstler to kick off his latest blog post titled “A fraught Moment”.  A fraught moment indeed, and that blog post is a real scorcher to set the scene to next […]

  13. What is the Democratic Party today? – Ideas For Business (get ideas, tweak, execute) - December 9, 2019

    […] https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a-fraught-moment/ […]

  14. Contra Corner » Farewell To The Democratic Party: One Foot In The RussiaGate Grave, The Other On The Impeachment Banana Peel - December 15, 2019

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