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The Turning

      In these northern climes, this turning into the year’s final quarter feels written in the blood, or at least into the legacy code of culture. The leaves skitter across the streets in an early twilight, chill winds daunt man and dog, the landscape buttons itself up for the long sleep, and human activity moves indoors — including the arduous festivities around the spooky solstice. We take the comfort that we can in all that. But a strange torpor of event attends this year’s turning. In the year’s final happenings, nothing seems to happen, and what little does happen seems not to matter. The world sits with frayed nerves and hears a distant noise, which is the cosmic screw of history turning.

      The nation gets over everything without resolving anything — fiscal cliffs, debt ceilings, health care implosions, domestic spying outrages, taper talk jukes, banking turpitudes, the Syria bluster, the Iran nuke deal fake-out. It’s dangerous to live as though there was no such thing as consequence. Societies have a way of reaching a consensus about something without ever stating it outright. The American public has silently agreed to sit on its hands though one more Christmas and after that things shake loose.

      What happens, for instance, in the limbo months of ObamaCare ahead, when people either won’t sign in for health insurance, or can’t because of the stupidity of the website design, and the failure of its work-arounds, and the number rises of people falling seriously ill without insurance, and the ludicrously extortionate hospital bills start rolling in and the machinery of bankruptcy and re-po turns the screws on tens of thousands of families — while the insurance company executives spend their 2013 bonus money on Beemers and McMansion additions? There must be some threshold for criticality there, some breaking point that prompts a swindled population to break out its fabled arsenals.  Say, somewhere in America a child tragically dies after being hit by a car and three unsuccessful surgeries to try to fix the damage, and thirty days after the funeral, the uninsured dad gets a bill for $416,000? I doubt a society can withstand many insults like that.

     Above all, this big nation has failed to reckon the central quandary of our time: the fatal hypertrophy of finance. This ghastly engine of rackets and swindles is the enlarged heart of a dying body politic, and all we know how to do is feed it more monetary Cheez Doodles. This has been going on far longer than the doctors and the witch doctors thought possible, and there is a foolish hope among the credulous that the larger organism of the economy must therefore be immortal. But the reality-based minority stoically awaits the final congestive infarction.

     Everything points to 2014 as the moment the pretending stops and things get real. Nobody believes anymore that the Federal Reserve can replace an economy of authentic transactions with promissory notes. There is only one final thing that can happen with the Fed, and that is losing all control over rising interest rates. Janet Yellen is being set up as one of the epic chumps of history, and proof of her academic fecklessness is the mere fact that she accepted the post as Fed chair. She will preside over a fabulous disappearance of wealth in America. The blame for it will be epic, too, but it will not represent any genuine understanding of what happened.

     Much is being made of the loneliness of Barack Obama these days. He also occupies a rather tragic niche in history — or the arc of his story at least points that way these days. Right now, it is very hard to tell whether he has been a hostage or a fool. He could have moved to break up the big banks in January of 2009, and any time since then he could have sent a memo to the Department of Justice instructing the prosecutions of financial crime to begin in earnest (or replaced the Attorney General). Didn’t happen. Was he being blackmailed by the likes of Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein, or did he just not know what was at stake?

     The history of Barack Obama will be one long record of omissions to act, not just overt failures. He is the Bartleby the Scrivener of our politics. He “prefers not to….” Hence, the powerful lure of the charismatic figure who is sure to act. Adolf Hitler was very clear about his proposed program in the early 1920s, a decade before he came to power. He spelled it out unmistakably in his speeches and his political testament, Mein Kampf: do away with pain-in-the-ass democracy and destroy the Jews. He couldn’t have put it more plainly. The residual admiration for Hitler among the extreme right-wingers of today derives mainly from the simple fact that the man actually did what he said he would do. You can’t overstate the potential hunger for that sort of thing. The current climate of US politics being Weimar-on-steroids, I’m sure that an American corn-pone Hitler would have huge appeal for a beaten-down citizenry.

      The means for such a coup of the zeitgeist are rather frightful now: drone aircraft, computer surveillance, militarized police, a puppet press. It makes thoughtful folks queasy. My bet, though, is that a fascist takeover of the US would end up being as inept and ineffectual as ObamaCare. It is one of the great hidden blessings of our time, actually, that anything organized on the massive scale is doomed to failure. But it is likewise the great mission of our time to prepare to get local and smaller, something we’re not really ready for and certainly not interested in. The intertwining of these dynamics will be the story in the year to come.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    Here you go, K-dog – you too, JHK:


    “Wynne noted that the dog genome shows evidence of a mutation that’s linked in humans to a rare disorder known as Williams-Beuren syndrome. People who have that mutation are unusually friendly with strangers. Could the genetic change have had the same effect on mutant wolves? Wynne says he’s no geneticist, but he’s working with colleagues on that piece of the scientific puzzle.

    He suggests that the mutants became scavengers about 15,000 years ago, hanging around human settlements and looking for yummies in the trash. That was the vermin phase of the dog’s domestication. The second phase kicked in when humans started to figure out what to do with them: A dog could bark out a warning. It could be trained to help a hunter. And it could be eaten.

    “It’s big enough to be worth slaughtering,” Wynne said. That’s taboo in most parts of the world nowadays — but in some countries, ranging from South Korea to Nigeria to Switzerland, dog meat is still on the menu.

    No big doggy deal
    Are dogs uniquely suited for cohabitation with humans? To some extent, it’s worked out that way. For example, Wynne said “dogs are every bit as effective as rifles” when it comes to hunting. He said the average hunting dog can bring in 40 pounds of meat per month — but not without a human handler.

    “Dogs need the humans to complete the kill,” Wynne said. “It’s a beautiful symbiosis.”" ….excerpt….

    • Interesting theory, I’ll add it to the mix. Of course there are probably several factors that came together for the evolution of the domestic dog. I like the crap-eater theory. Dogs are coprophagic- that is, they eat feces, as is commonly witnessed. Human feces is no different. Theory goes they followed the brown brick road as humans travelled about, bringing them within constant close contact. Then, selection for the friendly ones.

      Later, we pulled a bait and switch and now poop in the porcelain bowl. The dogs are still here. Sort of like democrats waiting for hope and change.

      • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

        Perhaps you could learn this art. What an advantage you would have on the Road in a Mad Maxian World.

      • Pucker November 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

        I’ve only come across a Shit-Eat’n-Dog once in my life. It was many years ago during my undergraduate years while hiking in the foothills of the Himalayan mountains in Thailand. On the 5th night of the trek while staying in a tribal village I developed terrible stomach cramps. Without a flashlight I made my way outside of the hut with a roll of toilet paper to take a crap. As I was squatting blowing out my bowels, I heard a village dog approach me from behind in the darkness. I couldn’t see the dog, but I heard the dog take a big whiff of my pile of freshly laid crap, followed by a long pause. Then I heard the dog wolf the shit down with delight. Still cramping and in pain my only thought was: “Awe Man….a Shit-Eat’n-Dog….”

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

      Are you implying variation in wolves, leading to differentiation and speciation? That’s racism. Am I joking? By no means, dog shows have been picketed by animal rights Marxists with messages like these. They see the big picture as do I even though we’re on different sides. The lukewarm shall be spewed out.

  2. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 9:45 am #

    “It’s all part of Agenda 21 – that will get you and yours off the land and into the Cities. A, B, or C Prog. Choose wisely for we only get one last chance for our future. To remind you, A is for Space and Nationalism. B is for Primitivism. And C is for just letting the Globos win.”

    “Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development…” wiki

    I’m not feeling the threat from Agenda 21 that you do, janos. That’s part of the difference in the way you and I view life.

    Similarly, I don’t feel the threat of “500,000,000″ total world population, which seems to come – mostly – from the Georgia Guidestones, which evidence shows – mostly – came from Ted Turner, a well known environmental wack-a-doodle, around these parts.


    Note that the Georgia Guidestones date to 1979, predating Agenda 21 by 13 years.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm #

      So Agenda 21 was just something they pulled out of a hat one day with little or no long term planning? No Prog – that’s how ordinary people operate. Or do you think it’s just by coincidence that they had the Patriot Act just waiting around fully written when 9/11 happened?

      You woke up to the immigration crisis late and you will wake up this crisis late as well evidently. But just keep voting Democrat – they like “White People” like “you”.

  3. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    To answer your questions:

    I prefer nationalism to globalism. But I think manufacturing becoming space-based is apt to be ruled out by iron laws of physics and constraints due to 9.8 m/sec.sec.

    My plan is to be a nobleman in the country – if it comes to that. One of my sons plans to be a “nobleman?” in the city, so the family has that base covered as well.

    Although I’d make every effort to allow myself and my kin to adjust to the rusticating future of descent that you argue K-dog and Zone favor.

    As far as Agenda 21 and population control – all I can say is HAH!

    A logical species would attach food and medical aid to some sort of birth control assistance. We (collectively, but especially in the States) will not ever do that out of fear of being call eugenecists, or racists, or Smiling Hitlers, or something.

    I know your counter argument is that this is deliberate, to force the genocide of “White People,” worldwide.

    I find that to be an impossible stretch.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

      So people never do or don’t do things out of fear of being called racists? You don’t have your thinking cap on today – that’s something you’ve fully admitted many times. You’re just being oppositional or antagonistic.

      Every White Nation and only White Nations are being inundated with vast numbers of 3rd Worlders. But that’s just a coincidence too right? Some admit that this is happening but say it’s not by design. But they have no outrage about it – but will express outrage if anyone proposes trying to stop it. That’s not a natural attitude but the result of generations of carefully developed full spectrum propaganda. Once people know that it’s happening, whether by design or not, they should be full of alarm since it will mean the end of Whites and White Culture in all of their former countries.

      Yes gravity is the great enemy – one that we will be free of “out there”. But it will take a mighty effort to get out there where we can reap the enormous benefits. Likewise an all White State – hard but eminently worthwhile once it is attained. Once attained, that these things were worth the effort will be clear – unlike so many of the half measures and useless wars like Vietnam and Iraq.

      • cable guy November 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

        The European conquest of the Americas began with the reconquest of Spain from the Moors. Once they had chased them from Granada, they kept on going. Perhaps the European nations have been inundated with foreigners to repeat this process?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 3:17 pm #

      Check this out: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23976530/tsa-officer-bled-for-33-minutes-in-lax-shooting

      Looks like they wanted a victim. Paranoia or realism in the middle of Totalitarian takeover? No? Ok, what’s your answer? Normalcy bias is a terrible weakness. In combat situation it’s called freezing as the victim keeps saying to themselves, “This can’t be happening. I’m just imagining that this is a life and death situation.”

      For many, normalcy bias will slide right into Stockholm Syndrome as they defend their passivity to themselves and hate people who resist.

  4. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 10:07 am #


    The fact that the Koyoto Agreement was reached in Koyoto, Japan – only begins to scratch the surface of the irony in this development.

    • progress4what November 15, 2013 at 10:17 am #

      Oops – Koyota


      Guess this reveals me as a non-native speaker of Japanese.

      And, OK, that’s enough out of me for a while. And that moves the thread totally onto the third page. All page one and two comments are now lost forever.

      I will practically GUARANTEE that that’s a decision by the website designer, which could be easily changed – so that comments every week would exist as a single page.

      Somebody want to write JHK with this suggestion?

  5. ozone November 15, 2013 at 11:12 am #

    I link this not to increase the level of paranoia, but to show how eminently reasonable that paranoia actually is:


    Should we consider how this “domestic spying outrage” could become a very effective weapon for an “American cone-pone Hitler” and their minions, toadies and useful idiots?

    Probably too fear-inducing to contemplate (or “reflect” upon), but for those of us who have already done so and found it to be a contemporary reality, we ‘hope’ for its’ unsustainability and a Naturally enforced decentralization to “smaller and local”.

    (Some would say that fascism is our current, well-entrenched and self-propagated “system” and denial of it or distraction from it are merely meaningless mouthings; I see evidence that would lead me to agree. The stupid [not to mention, suicidal] motto of “No Fear” will therefor be amended by the aware to “No Panic”. Now that would be TPTB’s greatest FEAR.)

    Who do you Trust?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

      Yes Prog is to sanguine by far. Your choleric humor serves you better. But to fear Fascism in the middle of a Communist takeover is dumb. Both are centralized so perhaps you see them as the same. But since Anarchists are Leftists for some mysterious reason, you call anything you don’t like “Fascist” despite it being incorrect.

  6. BatMastersonJr November 15, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Nailed it, Jimbo. NAILED IT!

  7. BackRowHeckler November 15, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    What’s the deal with this artwork being auctioned off for as much as $150 million? Is it a case rich people moving money around? That $85 billion per month QE has to be going somewhere. Some of it is coming to Connecticut, which is one vast construction project. This used to be known as ‘the land of steady habits’, with its largely Yankee population, small farms, lovely towns and redbrick factories along rivers. Now its in an uproar and is being paved over, completely paved over! I notice Toll Brothers is building a huge project of McMansions over in Avon, yet more McMansions! Trees are already cut and the Big Dozers are ready to move. It just goes on and on, without end.


  8. fairguy November 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    We’re a nation of ignorant, spoiled and broke brats. Our health insurance system is a gigantic scam. Our financial services institutions are greedy bloodsuckers. Our national debt will never be paid back because we don’t make things any more and the currency itself is no longer credible. Our politicians have sold out to the highest bidder. Our president is a pathetic figure who may be followed by a military fascist. In most of our small towns you can’t purchase healthy food within walking distance and the population is so obese that they need golf carts to get around. The greed of our big box retailers is such that they are opening their stores during thanksgiving dinner. Our military is a glorified jobs program that perpetuates the image of the USA bully abroad. Our “national security” apparatus is busy poking into people’s bedrooms and financial affairs. There is no serious thinking, discussion or planning for a post-oil future – rather, we have so-called experts yakking on about our so-called “energy independence”. That’s akin to a college graduate living with mom and pop, working a min-wage job and claiming “financial independence”.

    In the above, I summarize some of the thinking in this blog, and I tend to agree with it. However – I don’t agree that reality is about to catch up with us in the near term. Political and economic events are notoriously tough to predict, and pegging 2014 as the year everything is about to change is pretty random. One point I would offer is that most of ROW (rest of the world) is so badly screwed up that in comparison, the USA (or at least the blue states part of it) looks like an idyllic paradise. So I would expect investments to continue and come our way, the USD and stock market to strengthen, and more shitty jobs to become available. Will this help us in beginning to come to terms with our disfunctionality? Nope, it will be a deterrent. When the reckoning comes, it will be that much harder.

    • ozone November 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm #

      I agree with your analysis of “the state of the nation” and also the idea that the longer the pretending goes on, the farther the fall…

    • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

      “The USA (or at least the blue states part of it) looks like an idyllic paradise.”

      Looks can be deceiving. Once when I was a pup I was chained up in the front yard and a car went by and like the fool I was I chased it. Everything was fine until I reached the end of the chain and nearly broke my neck.

      Here is a link to an article that suggests our oil price predicament is about to go critical. Look for a graph in the article by that name.

      The ‘system’ has actually been responding to increasing oil production costs for a long time but Peter has been borrowing from Paul to keep prices artificially low. Now Paul is almost broke and problems hidden by elastic compensations and backlash in the machinery of the economy is stretched tight and ready to snap.

      What’s Ahead? Lower Oil Prices, Despite Higher Extraction Cost

      I will agree that the plethora of real and artificially created ignorance in the country could well prevent any ‘awakening’ in 2014. But as you say political and economic events are notoriously tough to predict. Except when they are false flags. Of course somebody always knows about them ahead of time. Just not the public.

  9. ozone November 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    “The history of Barack Obama will be one long record of omissions to act, not just overt failures. He is the Bartleby the Scrivener of politics. He “prefers not to….” Hence, the powerful lure of the charismatic figure who is sure to act. Adolf Hitler was very clear about his proposed program in the early 1920s, a decade before he came to power. He spelled it out unmistakably in his speeches and his political testament, Mein Kampf: do away with pain-in-the-ass democracy and destroy the Jews. He couldn’t have put it more plainly. The residual admiration for Hitler among the extreme right-wingers of today derives mainly from the simple fact that the man actually did what he said he would do. You can’t overstate the potential hunger for that sort of thing. The current climate of US politics being Weimar-on-steroids, I’m sure that an American corn-pone Hitler would have huge appeal for a beaten-down citizenry.” -James Howard Kunstler

    Well, dearie me. Since little Herr Lederhosen presents no refutation of this passage, it must be a consummation that he devoutly wishes and shows his feeble grasp of OUTCOMES and CONSEQUENCES. (It makes me wonder for the hundredth time why he bothers to post here, since he’s not winning any fellow sticks for his bundles. Draw your own inferences and conclusions while disregarding the distractions. He’s waiting for that savior to show up and rain hellfire on the niggers, but in the present he can’t quite get up the commitment to volunteer for the race war that he desires to begin in earnest [any day now] in S.A. Well now!)

    How’d I do in placing words in another’s mouth and thoughts and motives in another’s head/heart/spleen? (We understand these tactics/distortions/swervings only by tryin’ ‘em out, y’know…)

    Now back to the little laddie Show! Have fun kids, and if you play with fire, don’t get yourself burned (save that for the other guy)!

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

      You forgot to mention that Hitler chased out the Bankers – some of them from the same Families of Bankers that are ruining us. You forgot to mention that that resulted in the economic miracle of Nazi Germany attested to by many objective observers of the time and later – including John F Kennedy. You also forgot to mention that the German Media of the day refused to give them any voice so they had to take it to the people on the street – where they were attacked by Communist Scum. Despite all this, they triumphed. If we had had any sense we wouldn’t have gotten involved in WW2 and would have followed their lead and chased the Bankers out just like they did. But we didn’t and now we face absolute ruin since they and their Corporate Buddies have sucked us dry.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

      So in other words, you support the murder of Boer Farmers by Blacks in South Africa. That makes you a monster.

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 11:21 am #

      “How’d I do in placing words in another’s mouth and thoughts and motives in another’s head/heart/spleen?”

      You only reminded me of all the *chaos* already goin’ though my *BRAIN*!!! How ’bout that racist spammer – he trolled me 1 too many times – never gunna happen again. He doesn’t condone?!? Worthless leader…

  10. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm #

    “He’s waiting for that savior to show up and rain hellfire on the niggers, but in the present he can’t quite get up the commitment to volunteer for the race war…..” ….ozone, in reference to janos….

    Ozone, maybe I missed something (and I’m not going to go back to the two previous pages of comments to look, because every time I do that I lose the post I’m working on) but Janos has been pretty quiet about race this week. In fact, the whole thread’s been pretty quiet on the subject.

    And I’ve never once seen Janos advocate racial violence – and I’d like a reference from you, showing me where he did, if I missed something.

    And if the US is being set up for racial troubles, it’s not coming from Janos – it’s coming from the US mass media.

    Let’s compare and contrast two news events, shall we:

    http://rt.com/usa/tamale-veteran-mugged-killed-829/ In this event, a 87 year old man was killed during a mugging by four black teens. This event did NOT make the national news. You can find it in the local Mississippi paper where the man was killed, and that’s about it.

    In this event, a 19 year old female was killed on a stranger’s porch, 2 hours after she wrecked her car while DUI at over twice the legal limit. There are already HUNDREDS of national news articles featuring this event – with some invoking charges of racism.

    So, yeah, the US may be being set up for some bad racial times.

    Look into it, and help me figure out who’s responsible.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

      Some people call me Maurice,
      Cause of speak of the pompitous of Love.

    • ozone November 15, 2013 at 8:34 pm #

      Mysteriously, it looks as if you missed this part:

      “How’d I do in placing words in another’s mouth and thoughts and motives in another’s head/heart/spleen? (We understand these tactics/distortions/swervings only by tryin’ ‘em out, y’know…)”

      …which would be the point of the whole exercise in insinuation-to-substantiation by constant repetition. Much like a well-worn comment by Herr Goebbels, if you can believe it. (Scroll up to the comment DIRECTLY above yours. See what I mean?)

  11. Pucker November 15, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    The next time that you go on a “Blind Date” with a woman, ask her:

    “Are you wearing a wire?”

  12. Pucker November 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    [The following joke was really told by N..zi soldiers guarding Hitler in his Berlin bunker during the last days of the Third Reich as the Soviet Red Army mercilessly pounded Berlin into rubble and dust.]

    “Berlin is now just a city of warehouses?

    Where’s my house?! Where’s my house?!”

  13. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 7:04 pm #

    “That $85 billion per month QE has to be going somewhere. Some of it is coming to Connecticut, which is one vast construction project.”

    Nice analysis, backrow. Construction in Georgia is d.e.a.d, DEAD.

    EXCEPT, that is, in about two zip codes in Atlanta. There, nice homes are being torn down on desirable lots, so that multi-million dollar mansions can be built on those lots.

    Trickle down economics isn’t working that well for the US middle class, wouldn’t you agree?

  14. K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

    What happens, for instance, in the limbo months of ObamaCare ahead, when people either won’t sign in for health insurance, or can’t because of the stupidity of the website design.

    Personal circumstances don’t require me to view the ObamaCare
    website but I’m very a curious dog and I sniff around. I had to see what the brouhaha was about. So I went there.


    I was instantly insulted. It is as offending as being told I am a mutant and have Williams-Beuren syndrome by a government sock-puppet. First thing that gets pushed at you is that you need to apply before you get find out anything else.

    I’m not going to dig up a bone from my back yard and give it to anyone unless I know exactly I’m going to get for it and what is going on first. Knowing what is going on means INFORMATION first.

    • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

      unless I know exactly whatI’m going to get for it

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

      Paranoia, Paranoia
      LSD, LSD.
      Black kids make it,
      White kids take it.
      Why can’t we,
      Why can’t we.

  15. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    ” It is as offending as being told I am a mutant and have Williams-Beuren syndrome by a government sock-puppet.”…k-9….

    I agree the healthcare.gov sit is a mess, and the whole debacle is an insult to intelligent beings, top to bottom.

    BUT, dog, are you calling me a “government sock-puppet?”

    I want to know whether to be flattered. Because such government agents tend to be pretty intelligent (if poorly intentioned) and tend to be MUCH better compensated than little ol’ me.

    Just askin’. But I would like an answer.

    • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

      The ‘answer’ was given to me about a year ago when you were incessantly referencing Ham Radio. It was at the time when project ‘Osho’ was in full swing. It was a reference nobody else would have seen being of a very personal intimidating and irrefutable nature. But don’t flatter yourself. Government agents think they are pretty intelligent true enough. That does not mean they are. Pushing for an answer is proof enough but your cover may indeed be very good and for that reason I’ll push no further.

  16. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    Ok – now I’m getting error codes while trying to post from a Thomas Sowell editorial.

    Should I be getting paranoid?

  17. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Just so’s you all know – more productive minds than mine are concerned about the future of race relations in these United States.

    Now, I’ve removed the link – so we’ll see if Thomas Sowell posts without it.

    Here’s the first two paragraphs:
    “One of the reasons for being glad to be as old as I am is that I may be spared living to see a race war in America. Race wars are often wars in which nobody wins and everybody ends up much worse off than they were before.

    Initial skirmishes in that race war have already begun, and have in fact been going on for some years. But public officials pretend that it is not happening, and the mainstream media seldom publish it at all, except in ways that conceal what is really taking place.”…
    …..thomas sowell….

    Thomas Sowell is an African-American economist, social theorist, political philosopher, and author. He is currently the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

      Important autobiographical essay of a Black Man’s journey towards realizing how intellectually inferior his race is. And once you realize that IQ has a correlation with morality, the whole depressing story is clear. He now lives in China and has married a Chinese woman. He wants nothing to do with the average Black – and has converted to Judaism. Very smart Black.


  18. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm #


    Now here’s the link. And this is weird.

    And K-Dog – I don’t remember posting a whole lot about ham radio. You sure you don’t have me confused with someone else?

    John Michael Greer talks about ham radio a lot, maybe that prompted something from me – but I sure don’t remember saying anything that you, or anyone else, should interpret as threatening.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm #

      Q talked about how his father loved it. Probably the Entity chimed in.

      Western Rifle Shooters is also being monitored.


    • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

      The Master Meme
      By James Howard Kunstler
      on January 28, 2013 9:13 AM

      Author Profile Page progress4conserving | February 3, 2013 1:16 PM

      I’ve been poking around the internet looking at HAM gear. Look at this sucker!
      SWL on all bands and TX at 100W on all ham bands up through 6 meters. That’s amazing, by my (old) standards.
      I found one for $1009, with free shipping.
      I’ve got an old tube-type Hallicrafters SW receiver in the basement. It cost about $400 new(about $10K in today’s dollars, when adjusted for (hyper?) inflation) in the late 1960′s. I paid $50 for it. Two years ago I looked online and it was worth about $350. It’s probably worth more, now. Tube equipment has been going up for years – nostalgia, or something.

      Anyway – should I sell the Hallicrafters and buy the ICOM

      • progress4what November 15, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

        OK, K-dog, that’s my post all right.

        Now, would you tell me what part of it you consider to be, “a reference nobody else would have seen being of a very personal intimidating and irrefutable nature,” to quote your words precisely.

        I’m not seeing the intimidation factor.

        Help me out here, please.

        • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

          I forgot to select the question mark at the end. It should have ended with: ICOM?

          The reference was not in this comment. This comment refutes your I don’t remember posting a whole lot about ham radio. that’s all this comment does. You talked a lot about Coronal Mass Ejections that week too. The reference was elsewhere and personal. Now drop it.

          • progress4what November 15, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

            “The reference was elsewhere and personal. Now drop it.”

            Look, K, I’m trying to help you.

            And that week you referenced was a pretty good one for CFN. There were 710 posts and about 50 of them were either from me or in response to me. ONE referenced CME’s. Two or three referenced ham radio.

            And here’s one where I quoted you:

            “….the management of any social structure suggests a happy medium of authority is always needed. Paradoxically a certain amount of tyranny is needed to guarantee freedom as a greater tyranny will emerge to annihilate all freedom if a tiny sliver of tyranny is not present to check that possibility.” -k-dog-

            and then made this response to you:

            “That’s a good one, K.
            To elaborate, being alive, in and of itself, requires acceptance of tyranny. (i.e. if you don’t have a system for eating, drinking, and protection from the elements, you die – quickly)”

            In other words – I was trying to say that living in a physical body in the physical world means that you must accept the demands of that arrangement, which demands are a sort of physical tyranny imposed on any sentinent creature, certainly upon any human.

            I was trying to indicate agreement with you, and politely elaborate on your point.


            You responded by saying, “that’s exactly what a government stooge would say,” or words to that effect.

            I didn’t understand that then. Still don’t.

            You should elaborate.

            And you should know that I’m not good at letting things drop.

          • K-Dog November 15, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

            Then I’ll teach you how.

          • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 12:53 am #


      • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 12:07 am #

        Bwah! some *classic* Ixn poasts that week (about *4* of them)…

  19. progress4what November 15, 2013 at 11:00 pm #

    “Then I’ll teach you how” -k-

    Have you ever entertained the thought that you are just paranoid, k-dog?

    Because that’s the best explanation that I can propose, for all of this.

  20. ZrCrypDiK November 15, 2013 at 11:49 pm #

    Methinks (slang? well certainly not 1337-speak) I just heard Bill Maher plug Jim’s book “Magical Thinking” this evening! However, I got the feeling he hadn’t snorted his usual amount of Ritalin prior to the show (“is that right?” [Ezra?] “this … whatever he said”)…

    On teh internets, where ObamaCare is 404, there’s some recent *app* buzz (http://www.androidpit.com/sexting-app), apparently worth $3 (just heard $4 today) billion, where a company can spam your IP (a pop-up dialog? hijack?) with pic/vid/message, that self-destructs in 10 seconds (reminds me of that old TV series, Mission Impossible). Maybe it just exploits proxy server incomplete transfer…

    First of all, I find it hard to believe this app really does anything new, other than self-delete – which hardly seems handy to the receiver. Second of all, I’m sure it wouldn’t be too hard to develop a simple (one-man-job) app that captures incoming data (ala key-logger?), for future use (forward/save/*delete*). Finally, how on earth is something like that worth anything (without getting cra-Z hype from the media/corporations/markets). I could see how advertisers might use it to spam, much like you already see on any web site – but that’s not really an innovation (more liek, redundant).

    Oh, and how about Obama’s personal response to that 5-year-old playing batman – thx for saving Gotham?!? We used to routinely dress up as superheros when I whuz a child, but the national media never bothered filming us (I actually met Adam West in ’74 – he picked me up and seemed real nice – but Mom later told me how he reeked of alcohol, and was obviously drunk [stumblin' and slurrin' {he's still alive @ 85 /rhymes/}]). The president responding really seems to illustrate the fantasy land we live in. Rather than focus on real issues that threaten us all, he tunes in to 24/7 newscasting, in order to (instagram?) instantly reply… (BTW, all these charities/telethons are *exactly* the sorts of things that govt is supposed to do for society – not war mongering and colonialism – and *certainly* not $1.8+ trillion a year in mil-ind-complex prophet-eering).

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 11:29 am #

      I *KNOW* – not a *SINGLE* response. *EXPECTED*… (sorry, sad state of affairs)

      • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

        youtube / watch?v=TI0fk_gCdzE

    • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 1:31 am #

      Why thank you, ZrCrypDiK I had to look at the page source to find it but worth the search 4 sure. Cus you know ‘paranoia will annoy ya’!

      The last time I actually said it Ms. Dog said she never wanted to hear it again.

      • ZrCrypDiK November 17, 2013 at 3:33 am #

        “‘paranoia will annoy ya’!”

        Weird – that *rhymes*. Speaking (spanking?) of rhymes, did you see how those 700 poasts 11 months ago, were merely 75% @$$-soker?!? He didn’t really seem to troll responses (I certainly didn’t read *HIM ALL*). However, he certainly had an effect on legitimate, individual poasters (most of them *R* gone).

        Good propaganda? The money’s good so have *atcha*? It’s really unfortunate that one 6-fig-salaried govt stalka could do so much damage – yet here we *R*. With a worthless web page that embeds youtube, and *NOTHING* else…

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 1:35 am #

      Bwahahaha!!! *Poverty* of imagination (thing’s ain’t [!!!] so different, ~11 months later)…

      • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 3:40 am #

        The Prisoner

        • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 3:48 am #

          The editorial reviews at the bottom are …….. interesting. No?

          • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 9:54 am #

            OMG, 10 pages of *SPAM*…

        • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm #

          Danger Man!!! OMG, that whuz some bad@$$ mid 60′s TV (almost up to par with The Avengers)…

  21. Arn Varnold November 16, 2013 at 9:41 am #

    This is a bloody chat room for a few JHK aficionado’s who have formed their comfy little clique.
    There is so little reference to JHK’s writings as to make this website irrelevant.
    Oh sure, there are occasional references to his threads, but mostly this is about bullshit opinions regarding any and everything but JHK’s threads.
    My only question is; why the fuck does he put up with it?
    Second question; what’s the bloody point?
    But, never mind and do carry on…

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 10:03 am #

      I try to stay on topic. As in, we’re all *loan debt serfs*. And I also try to keep it prescient, with my doom and gloom over clearcutting/overconsuming/over-polluting… But hey – if you’ve got some *trees*/forests near you, go and hide/discover… There’s certainly few trees left in the last rainforest on the planet (Amazon cut to SH! by logging trails).

      Liek I used to tell my sister, when we were in UK, “bloody f’n h3ll!!” Ayup, that’s where we *live*! Suburbia *rulez*…

  22. Being There November 16, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    It’s beginning to look a lot like Detroit……

    Ah, America, land of the sinkholes, arguing non-stop about the healthcare bill and social issues while the congress is kept in the dark about the fast-tracking of the TPP.

    Indeed, William K. Black wrote an article about how the American people and their elected representatives know nothing about the Corporatist, lobby-written trade deals complete with corporatist tribunal who can bankrupt even a nation state with it’s own currency.

    It’s the same action made by subsidiaries of Goldman Sachs in the nineties to pave the way for 2008 bubblicious and beyond. It’s no wonder that main street is looking more like Detroit than Shanghai.

    You ain’t seen nothing’ yet.

    I have stated in the past that this bill will subject nation states to huge lawsuits made by corporations against any nation that has a grievance against the deleterious actions of corporations claiming that the grievances get in the way of their making their profits.

    It makes corporations stronger than nations and reduces us all as colonies of a free trade zone agenda with armies of their own.

    From Bill Black
    [Obama has caused the TPP to violate every standard he endorsed in his 2010 SOTU address.  Lobbyists are involved in making TPP policy -- secretly rather than "openly."  They need not disclose "contact[s]” with government officials making TPP policy.  There is no limit on the political contributions that corporations can make to influence TPP policy or disclosure of their lobbying positions.  The TPP is “bankrolled” by the world’s “most powerful [corporate] interests” including what Obama described as “worse” — “foreign corporations.”  TPP policies are not made by the American people, but they are also not made by our elected representatives in Congress. 

    TPP policies are kept secret from the citizens of every nation and their elected representatives in parliament.  Obama’s “fast track” process for adopting TPP is designed to eliminate normal congressional powers.  Obama knows TPP is indefensible and that 95% of Americans would vote against it.  He is desperate to avoid any open, democratic debate between the people of America and the corporations, most of them foreign, that TPP seeks to make our unelected, all-powerful rulers.  He “hateth the light” because sunlight remains the best disinfectant.  This is why President Bachelet could do the world a priceless service by immediately making public the entire travesty that is TPP.

    Once TPP is adopted, democratic rights and national sovereignty will be extinguished by corporate power which can be exerted, again in secret, before a tribunal run by private lawyers (what I call the “plutocracy panels”) with strong conflicts of interest that lead them to favor corporate interests.  I will expand on that disgrace in a second column.  A nation that asserted its sovereign rights to protect its citizens from an epidemic such as Chagas (if U.S. opposition continues to exclude it from the list of epidemics that allow the nation to “protect public health by promoting access to medicines for all”) could be crippled by economic penalties that would literally bankrupt a nation.  A nation with a sovereign currency would normally be immune from bankruptcy, but the plutocracy panels have no meaningful limits on their powers so they could impose massive fines payable in another currency, which could bankrupt even nations with sovereign currencies.

    Criminalize IP Violations: Ignore Fraud Epidemics Led by Bank CEOs

    The Obama administration has, to date, failed to prosecute a single elite banker for the fraud epidemics that caused the financial crisis and the Great Recession, but it using the TPP to lead the charge to criminalize any alleged interference with intellectual property (IP) rights.  TPP mandates each signatory nation to make IP interference a criminal offense, to ensure that the criminal penalties are severe enough to deter violations, to make it a crime for any person to “aid and abet” an IP violation, and to provide for the destruction of materials found to violate the TPP provisions.  See “Article QQ.H.7: {Criminal Procedures and Remedies / Criminal Enforcement}.”]

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 11:01 am #

      JPM/Chase look liek they’re about $10 billion in the hole – I’m not sure how this TPP skirts the *law of teh 1%*?!? Sure – more poor, min wage slave-laborers – but what *ELSE*?!? IP? LOLz, those are patents and copyrights – already on the *books* (unlike the losses the banks should be taking, that are off-books – derivatives, millisecond trades, vacant properties – collateralized debt obligations [CDO's] and credit default swaps [CDS's])…

      • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 11:05 am #

        FWIW, Chauncy Gardener is my personal *HERO* – what an imbecile!!! To be that ignorant is to be free of the daily conundrum…

        • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

          Above all, this big nation has failed to reckon the central quandary of our time: the fatal hypertrophy of finance.


          But not to worry. Long term soil depletion will not be an issue. It will be lobbied out of existence. Further in Ozone’s article below Obama has made it so very clear: (paraphrased for readability)

          According to the White House, The TPP would rekindle the economies of all of those involved, including many countries considered to still be emerging.

          Going on Obama says the TPP will regulate markets and create opportunities for small and medium-sized businesses in the growing global marketplace.

          Going on he says: “The TPP will boost our economies, lowering barriers to trade and investment, increasing exports and creating more jobs for our people, which is my number-one priority,”

          When first elected our anointed one did say his number-one priority would take a while. Now five years in I guess he’s now got his ducks in a row and finally getting around to his number one priority. Lets all sigh in relief.

          Since we can trust our smiling president not to lie or doublespeak out his ass to us somewhere in the TPP there must be some really cool brand new clever shit because do correct me if I’m wrong. NAFTA did the exact opposite!

          Grow baby grow, don thy turtle suit, or pass the cheese doodles?

          Which shall it be?

          • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

            OMG!!! You linked youtube, without it *embedded*!!! How, may I ask, is such a task done?!? feature=player_detailpage?!? You crackin’ me (liek a *NUT*)!

    • ozone November 16, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      AHA! TPP trade ultra-scam, secret no more! Wikileaks.
      (Of course that doesn’t mean that it won’t be ‘adopted’.)


      Read all about it…

      • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

        I saw that – first link for tpp. Hardly seems secret – that’s all they did since Clinton ’95 (nafta, etc)…

    • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

      IP violations or the privatization of vapour. Not an easy thing to get one’s head around. The rights of the people Vs. a legitimate right to recover development costs or make a living from one’s art. No easy answer but this short series provides some interesting perspective. Total run time is less than an hour.

      Everything Is A Remix

      I was delighted when I was turned on to it for it confirmed my most original thought ever. That there are no original thoughts. And my most original thought. – I had it *FIRST*.

  23. Being There November 16, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    One more for your reading pleasure:

    from Zerohedge


    • beantownbill. November 16, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

      I read the Zero Hedge link you posted. I’m no dummy, and I got the gist of the article, but I’ll tell you, it is pretty difficult for me to understand. It seems the same things are going on as in 2007-8, and so we will get the same result, only worse, because the numbers are probably bigger.

      All I know about the TPP is that it is being negotiated in secret, it supposedly takes away the US’ sovereignty, Obama is desperate to sign it before Congress and/or the public learns of the details (somehow), and it will wreck the country. But that’s the extent I really know. Do you have any links that would help explain it to me in more detail?

      I realize great change is almost upon us, and maybe I’m getting more conservative in my old age, but I’m getting nervous about how are lives will be so very different.

      • Being There November 16, 2013 at 1:19 pm #


        I’ve mentioned in the past Alvin Toffler who wrote Megatrends and The Third Wave, Future Shock, etc. His point in these books he wrote in the early 80′s and 90′s was that the global corporations would be more powerful than nation states and have their own armies.

        If you look at each successive presidency, you’ll see that each administration has gotten us closer to the realization of this outcome. I guess your best bet is to google the TPP and see what people have to say about it. It’s been so secretive that most people don’t know the gory details, but on Guns and Butter this week Ellen Brown talks about National banks (ie South Dakota) that could buck some of this, but this agreement may make that impossible.

        The global neoliberal ideology is that people on the top don’t see themselves as members of a country anymore, but are operating as men and women without sovereign allegiances. There’s a reason why they don’t want to pay taxes.

        I like this link too with Michael Hudson on the extraenvironmentalist.


        Most Serious Economic Crisis in World History” with Michel Chossudovsky. Guns and butter)

        ps re the police state. See Matt Taibbi on Imus this week about Camden New Jersey.

      • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

        Do you have any links that would help explain it to me in more detail?

        Perhaps this one will help.

        • beantownbill. November 16, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

          Thanks, but I think you sent me the wrong link. Check it out. BTW, wtf are you getting into?

          • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

            Moi ?

            No I’m not getting into any trouble. I don’t advocate counterfeiting, credit card fraud, or any other illegal activity. The link was humor.

            After reading the Zero Hedge link my felling is that Self-securitisation looks to be a scam of creating something from nothing much like ‘Rehypothecation’.

            Rehypothecation – The practice by banks and brokers of using, for their own purposes, assets that have been posted as collateral by their clients.

            Another layer of worthless paper to back more worthless paper. Looks to me like the article is saying that an intermediary device is being created from borrowed money as collateral with which to borrow more money. Some sort of something from nothing trick with which to increase financial leverage beyond that which is currently allowed.

            If the economy were to ‘boom’ the borrowed money could be paid back and the ‘security’ would then then have ‘value’ at which point it would then be sold to widows and orphans thus recovering the money used to pay back the debt on the borrowed money.

            It looks like instead of using the assets of other people as security for borrowed money things are being taken a step further and the assets that other people might have at a future date are being used to borrow the money.

            Create a worthless security and use it as collateral because someday it might be worth something.

            From the zero hedge article:

            What is “self-securitization”? Go ahead and Google it: there doesn’t exist any technical definition of this heretofore unheard of phrase. ” Alarms should be going off.

            Another way to put it:

            Buy me a burger today and I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday.

          • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

            “Another layer of worthless paper to back more worthless paper.”

            More liek, another layer of poor man’s real money, to be leveraged 30::1 by banksters in millisecond trades, to skim what remains of poor man’s real money…

        • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

          Is this why the $100 bill still hasn’t, after almost a decade, gotten a *makeover* (liek the $5/$10/$20/$50 bills)?!? I mean, I know the Saudis print $100′s as fast as the fed prints digital $85 billion a month – but I hear that $100 bill facelift is *ALMOST* ready!!!

          • ZrCrypDiK November 21, 2013 at 10:16 am #

            LULZ!!! So how the Fed Res doing on that new $100 bill? She up and *RUNNIN’* yet? I know my $100′s are still over 10 years old, green and black – and I get them routinely, directly from the bank (crisp, clean, MS-70 *MINT* condition)… I’m sure they can follow the dollar bill serial numbers now (money laundering just doesn’t work liek it used to), just as well as they can follow credit card purchases – but I’ll take my chances at being *incognito*…

  24. Being There November 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

    this is just a test. Bean, I answered you, it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    • beantownbill. November 16, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

      Hmm. You think we are being monitored by the gov’t?

      • Being There November 16, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

        No. I think this site doesn’t like the posting of urls, now that I remember from the past issues I’ve had. Although I posted an explanation without the urls there were still some key words.

      • Arn Varnold November 17, 2013 at 9:54 am #

        That’s a given. Of course we’re being monitored. That is no longer a question; haven’t you been reading the news?
        God’s be good man, get a grip!

    • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

      Did you have more than two links in it? If so the software sent it off to be moderated. Too many links in one comment will do that.

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

      REMOVE THE LINK(s)!!! Problem solved – trust-you-me – bleat didn’t get banned for 2 youtube vids after JHK’s personal email, so I doubt he’s preying on *YOU*.

  25. Q. Shtik November 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

    “There is so little reference to JHK’s writings as to make this website irrelevant.” – Arn

    Complain, complain, complain. Show me one word YOU’VE written this week about any of Jim’s themes. I, for one, have written extensively on healthcare insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. What have YOU got to say on that issue.

    Jim mentioned Hitler and corn-pone fascists. Janos, Prog, Ozone, K-Dog and others talked about Hitler and fascism.

    The problem is NOT that “There is so little reference to JHK’s writings.” The problem, I believe, is that you are highly annoyed that people hold opinions different than your own.

    • ZrCrypDiK November 16, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

      Amen, dad! Don’t sweat him – I pegged him for one of the disinformant govt agents (6-fig-salaried, no *less*, with free *BEST-OF-THE-BEST* health insurance)!

      The thing I find funny, is that all the people I know who had their healthcare coverage cancelled, were those already on medicare/medicaid, with *supplemental* plans. Now how *IN GHAD’S GREEN EARTH* are medicare supplemental plans sub-standard? Yet that’s all you hear, in the media – cancelled plans *R* sub-standard…

      Oh, and Obama, in his own words, expected 98% of Amerikans to have the same exact plan. What planet does he live on? 50+ million are uninsured, and are required to get new policies (or pay a hefty tax penalty), and that *alone* is 16%. Not to mention that those on medicare shouldn’t really count (they *R* the 100,000 that have signed up on the WEB site – go figure, they got constitution for failure/retry).

      And I read your dialectics on misery of insurance, already – so *KNOW* need to revisit that…

    • Arn Varnold November 17, 2013 at 6:28 am #

      Well, that may seem to be the case (opinions), but not true. Different opinions can be a source of learning.
      I post elsewhere and learn a lot because the “opposition” presents clear and well articulated responses, to which, I consider and look or not; just depends, of course.
      But there is no cogent conversation to follow; just shot gun blasts in the air.
      I don’t for the most part agree with JHK; far to “doomsday tomorrow” shtick. I do love his podcasts however.
      You guys here smack of believers and followers; just saying.
      Approaching my 7th decade, I’ve developed a far view (from the past) and never under estimate the power of the government (fascisti?) to keep the serpent alive.
      Sorry to say, I’ve seen very little original thought here; just rehashed crap form other sources.
      No leaders, no genuine thinkers (except maybe BTB) and no new ideas worth following.
      ZrCrypDiK sometimes has an interesting POV, IMO.
      And, this is my opinion which is like assholes; everybody has one.
      So, take it, consider it and do as you please.
      A further note; no genuine knowledge has ever been taught to another (only the way to it); true knowledge comes from within, never from without…

      • Arn Varnold November 17, 2013 at 6:30 am #


        • ZrCrypDiK November 21, 2013 at 10:08 am #

          I did miss this 1 last week – and *thanks*! Myself, I think I babble on liek a drunken moron – but opinions are just *that*.

          Of course most here are gunna be doomers (that support JHK) – think about it for a second. You read this website – either you agree or disagree (or don’ give a sh!? well then, you’re prolly not a *reader*). If you agree, you follow. If you disagree, you prolly never return (or become a flamer/troll). How3v3r, if you’re a $6-fig-salaried-govt-stalka, you have no choice but to stay and spam (no bid/cost plus contractors don’t count towards total govt. employees)…

  26. Being There November 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    Liking this little article from 0hedge(spelled out one word)

    title: The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target

    • K-Dog November 16, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

      Here is the link.The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target

      But still all this talk is about sniffing and peeping. Small change. When they single you out and and actively mess with you even sending agents to watch you because you learned a few things like where different I.P. addresses of commenters at CFN come from that’s when things start getting impressive. Your phone battery drains in a day because they are listening to everything you say. And when you are out buying pizza they can even come into your doghouse and pre-heat your oven for you. They know where you are because you have your smart-phone with you, GPS another tool in their bag of tricks with which to track. You have to go retro and wear a watch to keep time and leave the phone at home.

      Impressive but very annoying too. Another day in the Skinner box waiting for Pavlov’s bell. And the real annoyance is that you can be unemployed looking for a job while they are getting paid to jack you up.

      What’s a dog to do?

      • Janos Skorenzy November 16, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

        Remember that episode of Lost in Space with the kid who could see everyone everywhere who was looking thru a mirror? That’s what kind of mirror a computer is.

  27. ZrCrypDiK November 17, 2013 at 5:09 am #

    WowZerz!!! The *DEAD* zone? (Chris Walken’s best) 1 day later, and no poasts for almost 12 hours!!! Not sure I can wake you, but I’ll *try*…

    How much of the Amazon rainforest basin hasn’t been clearcut? 20%? I highly doubt it’s that high/*optimistic*…

    However – that’s what we do – we kill off every last remaining life-source on the planet, and we leave nothing but toxic pollution. WE BE GUD AT THAT!!!

    Oh yeah – how’s that *PRICE* of gasahol affecting *U*?!~? I’m still wishing for $10/gallon, meself (60% for taxes to educate the *y00tz*?)…

    • Pucker November 17, 2013 at 7:02 am #

      I have a friend who many years ago spent a year abroad in college in Brazil. He wrote me a letter at the time postmarked from somewhere along the Amazon River. I recall that he said that the Amazon River is actually called “Tomba Tinga”.

      Does anyone know what “Tomba Tinga” means?

      He also wrote something about an experience in which a condom was nearly melted to his penis, which struck me at the time as being a rather unique experience.

  28. Arn Varnold November 17, 2013 at 9:26 am #

    Well, it’s Loy Krathrong here tonight. One of the two major celebrations here.
    This one is about forgiveness and reconciliation of past travesties.
    It’s like the Japanese celebration where they float candle lit floats on the water.
    It’s loud, raucous and supposed to erase past sins.
    We elected to celebrate by taking care of a family by giving food and money to a needy family.
    Not looking for plaudits; just a recognition that caring starts in ones own back yard.

  29. ozone November 17, 2013 at 10:20 am #

    The Fisa Improvements Act, promoted by Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the Senate intelligence committee, would both make permanent a loophole permitting the NSA to search for Americans’ identifying information without a warrant – and, civil libertarians fear, contains an ambiguity that might allow the FBI, the DEA and other law enforcement agencies to do the same thing.

    **sidebar: In another article regarding this BLIVETT (thankyouQ) it was suggested that Ms. Feinstein is just a clueless incompetent, but I will suggest otherwise: that she is doing the pointed bidding of those who stuff her back account — and that of her husband. She’s nothing other than a sharp profiteer. **

    “For the first time, the statute would explicitly allow the government to proactively search through the NSA data troves of information without a warrant,” said Michelle Richardson, the surveillance lobbyist for the ACLU.

    “It may also expand current practices by allowing law enforcement to directly access US person information that was nominally collected for foreign intelligence purposes. This fourth amendment back door needs to be closed, not written into stone.”

    -Spencer Ackerman, The Guardian

    Unless you’ve been residing in a complete info vacuum for the past 15 years (’round about), you’ve surely seen how this nefarious game is being played. Commit huge crimes against your own populace and that of other nations, then retroactively make a law that ‘legalizes’ these crimes. (I’m not so sure Mr. Corzine’s crimes have been effectively cleansed yet; probably they’ll simply be ignored long enough for law enforcement to plausibly ‘forget’ about them.)

    • beantownbill. November 17, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

      You better watch out
      You better not cry
      Better not.puut
      I’m telling you why
      Gov’mint Claus is coming to town

      It’s making a list
      And checking it twice
      Gonna find out who’s naughty and nice
      Gov’mint Claus is coming to town

      It sees you when you’re sleeping
      It knows when you’re awake
      It knows if you’ve been bad or good
      So be good for goodness sake!

      O! You better watch out
      You better not cry
      Better not pout
      I’m telling you why
      Gov’mint Claus is coming to town
      Gov’mint Claus is coming to town

      • ozone November 17, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

        LOL! Good fit. ;)

      • K-Dog November 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

        I should worry about the ‘list’ why?

        I’ve already got Gov’mint Claus coming down my chimney right now!

        Down my chimney and up my …… .

        Besides which; while I get personal attention right now should shit really hit the fan Gov’mint Claus will be way too busy to worry about lil-o-me.

    • K-Dog November 17, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

      “Commit huge crimes against your own populace.”

      No, don’t think so. Commit huge crimes against the populace. Yes! I’m not part of her wolf pack and never will be. I believe all dogs should eat. Her kind eats dogs. Her populace (the top .01%) cares not about the populace or the future of the nation one bit. A country run by people who have an assured future no matter what happens is a country run by those who have no skin in the game. Their interest is to keep things e-x-a-c-t-l-y as they are. When nobody else can drive they still will. When nobody else has health care they will have it. When dogs are starving they will eat very well.

      U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein is one of 261 millionaire members of Congress, according to an analysis of personal wealth conduct by the Center for Responsive Politics.

      U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat from California, reported a net worth of between $46 million and $108.1 million in 2010, according to financial disclosures.

      But as long as people remain distracted ignorant and easily swayed by advertisement and smiles they will continue to elect such types.

      Jim said this week; “Everything points to 2014 as the moment the pretending stops and things get real.”

      He may be right though getting real may be going a bit to far. There will be much pain before anyone gets real.

  30. ozone November 17, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    One for ZrC……


    From southern Michigan to Kentucky.
    Don’t worry though, we’ll just slap a label on this type of thing that [re]defines it as “a classic November weather phenomenon” and that will fix it for now and future.

    Buckle up, it’s gonna be a helluva ride.

    • ZrCrypDiK November 21, 2013 at 9:57 am #

      OMG, harbinger of *doom*? Whuz this be-4 “they” actually hit (they hit on the 17th)?!?

  31. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject November 17, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    @ BT… long time no see ma’am! Thanks for the updates and linkages to TPP info – thanks for the analysis, too. I still have trouble wrappin’ my noggin’ around most of these phenomena. Still, it’s very interesting to witness the final nails being pounded into the coffin of national sovereignty, as though it were a responsible, logical end, not a blood in the streets inciting landmark. At least, isn’t that how we should see it – a reason to finally hang some politicians from lamp posts? I realize I’m just a frustrated voice at this point. I admit, too, that I certainly wouldn’t donate any blood for the cause.

    Also, I’m noticing that the rhetorical trope of blaming the elite for our voluntary peonage is losing market share. No one gives a true fuck, even if they agree with what they’ve learned. For instance, Dmitry Orlov and others are beginning to abandon the collapse meme. Chris Hedges, too, recently admitted that he and the comfortable academic mid-elites haven’t changed anything, just provided entertainment for a bunch of thoughtful do-nothing-intellectual serfs. Perhaps O and H and the rest are realizing the NWO has won out regardless of their efforts, even if the end result of collapse still looms.

    Despite all the warnings and action pleas, is there any doubt the people have voted with their fat, lazy, medicared-for-asses and consumer voting ballots – dollars? See Q’s desperate diary submissions to CFN pertaining to his heart wrenching journey of pawning his mother-in-law off on the system, despite sufficient means for caring for her himself. I guess I should stop comparing men of that generation to the image of my Great Uncle, a wealthy man who cared for he and his wife’s dying parents out of pocket, with his heart, and own two hands.

    All in all, IMO, not a chance of viable local community or national reordering though, despite Chris Hedges eloquent, empty hand wringing. Unless, he suggests, some unfortunate elderly woman recently booted from her home by Banksters self-immolates in one of our public squares, causing youth to finally take up arms against the capitalist oppressors, yet Hedges himself stops short of directly endorsing violent revolt. What a *lib’rull*:


    @ ‘Zone… what can I say, senior? In my view your generous contributions, poignant themes, and kindly humored writing style continue to pretty much carry this blog week-after week, making your submissions and the relevant responses by select others the only reason skimming this site is still worthwhile. If I ever happen across you on The Road, I’d surely recognize the fire and gladly share a can of peaches. Later onz!


    • K-Dog November 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

      This is totally worth watching I’m 37 minutes in.

      Mutiny was the only salvation for the Piquad’s crew. Mutiny but of the right kind! The honest eye of Starbuck still gazes.

      Find the courage too peer into the molten pit!

    • K-Dog November 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

      I finished the whole thing. You say:

      “Unless, he suggests, some unfortunate elderly woman recently booted from her home by Banksters self-immolates in one of our public squares, causing youth to finally take up arms against the capitalist oppressors, yet Hedges himself stops short of directly endorsing violent revolt. What a *lib’rull*:”

      You misunderstand his position. He has actually seen governments topple from seemingly inconsequential starts. The unfortunate elderly woman is a spark who ignites dry timber. Timber waiting to burn. The elderly woman becomes a trigger, a tipping point where repressed disgust and frustration coalesces into unstoppable force that brings down an established order. He advocates speaking truth to power for its own sake; from a moral imperative. But saying that he goes on to add that even when you think nobody may be listening there can be dogs of most acute hearing who may be hearing your message.

      Lies have to be constantly repeated to be believed but truth can jump from dog to dog as easily as a flea.

    • ozone November 18, 2013 at 8:53 am #

      Nice of you to say. I stop in to witness discussion of [hopefully] germane links and topics regarding the Kunstlerian Zeitgeist, because that’s the general direction I think the world is rolling towards with increasing speed. (Case in point: Your and K-dog’s impressions on Chris Hedges.)
      ….And yes, I am the coaxer of fire, huddle ’round and bring stories.

  32. Q. Shtik November 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    “…the only reason skimming this site is still worthwhile” – UFIA

    Translation: He reads every friggin word.

    • UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject November 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

      Yeah? You’d like to think so.

    • Q. Shtik November 17, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

      Just like Arn.

  33. Q. Shtik November 17, 2013 at 1:57 pm #

    Here ya go, I’m providing this movie trailer to brighten up Janos’ Sunday afternoon ;o)


  34. Guy McTurdspun November 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm #

    And then there’s some, such as myself, who not only “get it”, but spend a little bit of time trying to explain these facts of life to various criers, whiners & complainers.

    This is the way it is; it is the way it has always been. Just because the illusion of free choice is used to manipulate the clueless who believe they “have a voice” via some kind of representational democracy doesn’t make it so.

    Like a fine connoisseur, I actually appreciate the system for all its evil glory – it’s just so much more devious than an in-your-face slave/serf system. Back in the day, you knew your place, and there wasn’t any of this mamby-pamby talk about ‘rights’, participation, ‘effecting change’, blah, blah, blah.

    But now, everyone seems to be paralyzed in a perfect story of cognitive dissonance, where they can’t reconcile what they know to be true with decades of brainwashing about democratic principles, freedom, exceptionalism, etc.

    Here are the 3 principles by which I evaluate anything I hear and/or read:

    1. Strong defeats weak
    2. Continuous exponential growth
    3. Position (power) dictates behavior

    Here is a prime example: A free people will always be defeated by those who collude to undermine the principles of liberty. IOW, while denizens enjoy the fruits of their era, others are planning/plotting how to leverage the underlying productivity in order to determine the degree of parasitic load that can be applied.

    Over millenia, the favorite tool to achieve this goal of control has been credit, but empires also operate under the same exact principles. Related to the 2LTO, states/corporations must expand, otherwise they will perish. They (ie we who live in these systems) must have continuous resource consumption & debt growth, otherwise the entire system will crash. Not good for our dear leaders.

    Last, “leaders” will do, say & act in any manner possible to maintain the status quo. But it’s not just a personality issue; I really believe that if you substituted Guy for Yellen, Guy would advocate continued “accommodation” and Yellen would become a doomer. Now why would someone change their outlook simply be switching positions? Because, it’s fairly easy to predict billions of deaths, but to have them occur on your direct watch, due partly/mostly to your decisions, causes most to shy away from literally having blood on their hands.

    This is the story of Obama, and everyone before him. It doesn’t matter if he was sincere or not going in, once you’re in the hot seat, the horror of the whole thing is very, very real.

    Once you see reality in this light, then you will no longer be shocked, upset or otherwise depressed when things turn out exactly as predicted based on these 3 principles. Try it out for yourself – you will find any news item, any trend, any lie fits perfectly within the 1-2-3 order.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2013 at 3:16 pm #

      A good beginning but you are too cynical. There are extraordinary people. There have been real leaders and good presidents. Not everyone is the same. We’ve forgotten because it been such a long time since we had one – they are kept down at the bottom of the system.

      • Carl Grimes November 18, 2013 at 1:10 am #

        You make a very good point, our leadership was not always crappy like this. Washington and Jefferson were excellent presidents. And Jackson, Cleveland, Harding and Coolidge had their good moments. People like Henry Ford and John D Rockefeller built up the country. They protected western civilization, they kept orientals and muslims out of the country for the most part. They had segregation laws which ere good things in my view, blacks weren’t allowed to run amuck the way they do now. There were no stupid drug laws or police states. They understood the basic differences between the sexes. They cared about the country. And they didn’t start one stupid war after another.

  35. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    “1. Strong defeats weak
    2. Continuous exponential growth
    3. Position (power) dictates behavior” …guy…

    Pretty good ideas, guy. And, are you a totally new CFN poster?

    Very interesting.

  36. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

    “I’ve already got Gov’mint Claus coming down my chimney right now!
    Down my chimney and up my ……” ….k-ham….

    I thought you wanted me to let this drop, K?

  37. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    “It makes me wonder for the hundredth time why he bothers to post here, since he’s not winning any fellow sticks for his bundles.”

    Ozone, is that a homophobic insult? Maybe I’m misinterpreting?

    So – what happens if you insult a racist with homophobia, anyway?

    Does it make it doubly insulting – or does it cancel the whole thing out?

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

      His almost supernatural hatred and viciousness should ring a bell with you – it’s what lead to the War of Northern Aggression. New England has always been one of the epicenters of this kind of thing, the actual origin of political correctness at least in the New World.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

      The early Roman Culture Hero Cincinatus broke a stick to show it’s weakness. Then he tied many together to show the strength of unity. The bundle of sticks is one of the classic symbols of Fascism. I never said Ozone was completely stupid (Lie) just evil. To be fair, he does seem to be using the symbol correctly and not trying to tie it into “fagging” – the homosexual persecution of under classmen in English Boarding schools.

  38. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    Just to reinforce two important concepts:

    1. The US government has always been deranged

    2. Law enforcement entities always want better surveillance methods

    I present to you the following excerpt:

    “In 1957, William Foos began pretending to read through walls. Weeks later, the FBI was at his door asking if his powers were real:

    “Should his claims be well-founded, there is no limit to the value which could accrue to the FBI—complete and undetectable access to mail, the diplomatic pouch; visual access to buildings—the possibilities are unlimited insofar as law enforcement and counterintelligence are concerned… It is difficult to see how the bureau can afford to not inquire into this matter more fully. Bureau interest can be completely discreet and controlled and no embarrassment would result.”

    Foos went on to perform elaborate card tricks for FBI agents, CIA members, and leading military officers, but the government became suspicious when he refused to divulge his methods. After consulting a slew of psychologists and university studies, the FBI dropped the case, leaving behind this 40-page file on ESP.” http://mentalfloss.com/article/31258/9-intriguing-excerpts-old-fbi-files


    And, for those of you who have not recently enough, had the pleasures of guiding young minds through the pitfalls and minefields of modern linguistics – I present the following definition, in elaboration to my 3:44 post to Ozone:

    faggot(n): a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together

  39. UnstoppableFarceImmovableAbject November 17, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

    No, K-dog. I took his meaning. I was just ranting in between study sessions. His statement that such an unfortunate incident here at home could inspire a youthful revolt was clear. Mine, as you pointed out, wasn’t.

    Hedges dressed the sentiment of the elderly woman setting herself ablaze to parallel historic social tipping points quite poetically, as you have, I just don’t agree that revolutions happen that simply and and effectively – toppling governments, bringing down an established order? When? Where? Certainly not recently. Not through the people and cultures of today. If there isn’t enough evidence, disgust, and soothsaying about the major crimes perpetrated by our government to have made positive revolution happen by now, then there won’t ever be; even if the proverbial match were struck, it would be completely doused by the surveillance state, or, it would be allowed to burn so fiercely that all lines between the decent and evil folk would be blurred, making everyone a potential villain – name the social grudge just waiting to explode.

    Nah, my point is that we’re beyond grand gestures such as that in this country. We’re beyond the point where chaining ourselves with bicycle locks in symbolic resistance to a Bloombergesque-police-goon-squad can have an effect in changing hearts and minds. This isn’t because revolution is impossible, only that ‘Mericun patriots have already chosen otherwise. We’ve chosen to allow Elite tyranny to reign. We’ve been bought and paid for, no different to the political class.

    But I dooo appreciate your ability to remain cheery through it all. You’re a good dood, K-Dawgie.


    • K-Dog November 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

      ” If there isn’t enough evidence, disgust, and soothsaying about the major crimes perpetrated by our government to have made positive revolution happen by now, then there won’t ever be; even if the proverbial match were struck, it would be completely doused by the surveillance state”

      The surveillance state has done a thorough job keeping the major crimes perpetrated by our government secret and with chewing gum and tire patches what passes for an economy limps along. But a final congestive infarction will come and it may yet bring a moment when the pretending stops and things get real. The Merican public lives under a delusion that better times lie ahead and when the reality finally dawns on them that the only way better times can be had is if they make them happen themselves the surveillance state won’t be able to keep up.

      Sadly I agree that the line between decent and evil folk is blurred and many of the elite responsible will escape justice. But change is coming. Of that the reality-based minority can’t deny. The orchestrated ignorance of the Merican people will mean the pain of many innocents before pretending stops and things get real. There is after all, a lot of pretending going on.

  40. Arn Varnold November 17, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

    Doris Lessing died; somebody you should know.

    Here’s a talk she gave; The Prisons We Choose to Live In;


  41. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 8:00 pm #


    Here’s a news article on the prisons of Political Correctness, ufia.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm #

      The article doesn’t mention race but the Folk have awakened as per the comments. As usual, the people are far ahead of those arrogant Leftists who desire to lead them.

  42. progress4what November 17, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

    I said “ufia,” but I meant “va.”

    Wonder if there is overlap, here.

  43. nsa November 17, 2013 at 9:23 pm #

    “If a square is referred to as a circle often enough, it will become a circle”. An observation by the father of modern advertising, Dr. Joe Goebbels.

    • Janos Skorenzy November 17, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

      Most point to Freud’s nephew Bernays as being that.

    • K-Dog November 18, 2013 at 1:14 am #

      Edward Bernays bragged that his book “Crystalization Public Opinion” was prominently displayed in Joseph Goebbels private office.

      The Amazon link.

      From the introduction, (I have a copy).

      “During the First World War, Bernays served as a foot soldier for the U.S. Committee on Public Information (CPI)– The vast American propaganda machine mobilized in 1917 to package, advertise and sell the war as one that would “Make the World Safe for Democracy.” The CPI would become the source from which marketing strategies for subsequent wars– including the spurious and deadly adventure in Iraq– would flow.

      • K-Dog November 18, 2013 at 1:17 am #

        Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Crystallizing Public Opinion

        Oh well typos and mistakes from me are better than no comments from me at all. Though some may be of a different opinion.

  44. Q. Shtik November 18, 2013 at 7:26 am #

    “a wealthy man who cared for [he] and his wife’s dying parents – UFIA


    • Arn Varnold November 18, 2013 at 8:30 am #

      You really are a pedant. You understood her meaning (UFIA), but choose to be a spelling Nazi.
      Just amazing…

      • Arn Varnold November 18, 2013 at 9:01 am #

        And this will disappear into the netherworld because the next installment is a mere 3 hours away.
        May the gods have mercy…


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