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     At first glance, the growth of the super snooper state revealed this weekend — like one of those giant, hidden funguses that spreads for miles under the forests of upper Michigan — is a striking discovery. But I maintain that there is an inverse correlation between the technical abilities of the government to harvest data and their competence to use it for anything. The salient trend in our government is to become more inept, ineffectual, impotent, and feckless, no matter how big the compost heaps of sheer information it manages to pile up.

     For spying on your own citizens, the Nazis and the Soviets were way ahead of us using technology no more elegant than phone bugs and filing cabinets. Our immersive techno-narcissism vests too much awe in computer magic itself. What would hurt much more — and work much better — is if Americans become a nation of snitches. That’s a possibility, of course, but I attach a low percentage to it because it requires a respect for authority that is just absent here now, and has been eroding steadily for decades, really ever since Jack Kennedy was gunned down.

     Ironically, Barack Obama got where he did because he pretended to be the reincarnation of JFK — a young, dynamic change agent — and it took years to discover that he was a mere bundle of platitudes wrapped in a banana leaf of good intentions, stamped with a sell-by date that, alas, has now passed. His piled-up troubles seem more a matter of inattention than intent — especially his failure to apply the rule of law in banking — and his recent televised attempts to explain himself give off the demoralized vibe of somebody just sadly going through the motions.

     Anyway, events are in the driver’s seat, not government officials. We’re in the Koyaanisqatsi zone now — everything is out-of-balance from our financial operations to our geopolitical relations to the state of nature around the planet. Too many stresses have built at too many stress-points and a palpable fear judders through the wireless waves that something has to break. Oddly, political cracks appeared this month in two of the least-expected places: Sweden and Turkey. WTF? I wonder a little now if the revelations of Edward J. Snowdon about the American Security apparatus will bring on a wave of street protests in Washington DC on the Fourth of July. Maybe I’m just channeling my own dim memories of 1969, but this historical moment has a similar tingle. We know that the amalgamated gun nuts are already planning what they’ve advertised as an “armed march” across the nation’s capital. Frankly, I’m kind of glad that they’re doing this. The government needs to be reminded that there are already enough small arms loose in America to temper its cloddish excesses. The time is ripe for others to join in a larger Fourth of July demonstration.

     Most satisfying would be a Washington march by college loan debt slaves terminating in a bonfire of the loan contracts on the Ellipse. I keep waiting for the “magic moment” when millions of these poor swindled young grads will send the message thundering through Facebook and Twitter that they are done paying the inflated price for their useless degrees in “marketing” and “gender studies.” Aren’t you amazed that it hasn’t happened yet? (Although the default rate is rising so fast that a general renunciation may be accomplished without public fanfare.)

     Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see if the US government goes after Mr. Snowdon, who is currently on the lam in Hong Kong which, some of you may remember, belongs to China. Does that ever have the potential for a world-class embarrassment? There’s less than a month before America’s big annual birthday party, just enough time for this story to build to an explosive climax. The government will surely have to make some kind of move before than. Given its recent tendencies to over-reach on everything, the government could easily screw the pooch on this. The 29-year-old Snowdon has the look and demeanor of an all-American hero and it will be interesting to see the reaction if and when federal agents haul him off a plane in handcuffs. What’s more, Snowdon made a clear, concise, and eloquent statement explaining his actions: “The public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong,” he said.

     You couldn’t put it plainer than that.


Edward J. Snowdon, NSA whistleblower


About James Howard Kunstler

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. Adolf Kunslter June 14, 2013 at 12:22 am #

    Take the KUNSTLER Pledge and be Absolved of ALL Guilt Forever …

    I pledge allegiance to the supercomputer of the United States of Data Mining. And to the dictatorship for which it stands, one nation, under Obama, unencryptable, with tyranny and injustice for all.

  2. Jimmy Hoffa Kunslter June 14, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    I pledge allegiance to the supercomputer of the United States of Data Mining. And to the dictatorship for which it stands, one nation, under Obama, unencryptable, with tyranny and injustice for all.

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm #

      Machines are better than people. Next “election: we should just vote for different brands of computers to rule us. And once robots are in place – why should we even exist anymore? They will do our jobs better than we can. It’s not like the State exists for us after all. The State will provide painless suicide centers. It will be called “Going Home”.

  3. NSA June 14, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    We here in Langley have the right to kill anyone, anytime, anywhere, for any reason……legally with the full approval of your duly elected representatives and your duly elected commander-in-chief. You greenies and peak oilies are powerless to resist. Our glorious national security state has now achieved full spectrum dominance over every aspect of your existence…..your servitude is total and complete. Soon you will not be able to flush your toilet without asking our permission……

    • dannyboy June 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

      This sums it up. I was about to Comment on this week’s Clusterfuck, but it’s no longer necessary.

      To sum things up: JHK, you are a very observant person. I do agree with your observations. Where I differ is in the conclusions you draw. While you believe that government’s incompetence will lead them nowhere, I believe that because of the government’s incompetence we are all in for the major Clusterfuck of our lives.

      I actually wish the government were more competent, intelligent, normal…you know, human.

  4. Sigmund Kunstler June 14, 2013 at 12:35 am #

    Take the KUNSTLER Pledge and be Absolved of ALL Guilt for ELECTING OBAMA … Forever …

    I pledge allegiance to the supercomputer of the United States of Data Mining. And to the dictatorship for which it stands, one nation, under Obama, unencryptable, with tyranny and injustice for all.

  5. Sigmund Kunstler June 14, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    Blowjobs are already America’s number one industry. We ditched manufacturing a long time ago. Cleaning toilets, washing dishes, serving food and drink…and blowjobs…it’s what we’re all about. Call it the New Economy.


    Yep, blowjobs are big biz, the CIA loves blow-jobs, …

    James will never talk about this, but forget about the END-GAME being gardening, the survivors of the coming United Stasi of America, will be that ALL non-cop will be giving blow-jobs.

    Talking about blow-jobs anybody here follow that story about the guy keeping women in his basement for ten years,

    The guy used to tell people he was CIA, and there is a lot info around that his HOME was actually a SAFE-HOUSE for cops & CIA guy’s to get free-pussy.

    Neighbors on many occasions over the years see groups of men leading naked women around on leashes, … now doesn’t that sound a lot like abu-ghraib?

    My point is that this blow-job thing is exactly the end-game for the US population, once the system has stole your money, the next game is to turn everyone into sex-slaves.

    There is nothing new here, .. move along.


    Ariel Castro faces rape, kidnapping charges while two women return …
    news.yahoo.com/…/amanda-berry-6-old-daughter-escorted-sister-home-162611126.html – ???
    8 May 2013 … CLEVELAND— A man accused of holding three young women captive for the … the three women were subjected to prolong sexual and psychological abuse. … We appreciate all you have done for us for the past 10 years.


    The mother of Ariel Castro’s children repeatedly went to authorities …
    http://www.reddit.com/r/…/the_mother_of_ariel_castros_children_repeatedly/ -
    11 May 2013 … The mother of Ariel Castro’s children repeatedly went to authorities with ….. Castro admitted he was in the CIA and this is exposed in this article: …

    • cop or little guy June 14, 2013 at 2:17 am #

      I’m CIA, … ok your one of us no problem, …

      Hey wants some free nuky?

  6. Sigmund Kunstler June 14, 2013 at 12:48 am #

    Privacy: What’s that? In Israel, PRISM shocks no one
    Israelis, who instinctively surrender their bags and pop open their trunks for inspection, were scarcely surprised by the revelation that the U.S. government is spying on its citizens. Are privacy violations a small price to pay for security?


    Talking points, .. Reading/Writing off the script… Haaretz seem’s to be following the same script as Kunstler, …


    Kodner, whose piece is titled “Forget PRISM, your privacy is already dead,” and other commentators and average citizens here are saying that Israelis can only be jealous of the American ability to be stunned by the PRISM story. “Anyone who is shocked by this clearly hasn’t seen an episode of ‘Homeland,’” one Facebook status read. It’s little wonder that Israeli companies did some of the pioneering work in developing these technologies.


    Sort of like watching stupid little GOYIM, how their ‘stunned’ by BAD,… yes, … funny how PRISM was 100% developed by ISRAEL, funny indeed that its PROUDLY all over the ISRAELI PRESS, but NOBODY WOULD DARE MENTION in the UNITED-STASI

  7. Ixnei June 14, 2013 at 5:36 am #

    R U afraid of hand puppets? No?!? R U afraid of ventriloquists? DUMMY! (*YES*, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!)

  8. Newfie June 14, 2013 at 5:51 am #

    There are an awful lot of faux Kunstler’s on this blog. :-|

  9. Carol Newquist June 14, 2013 at 6:27 am #

    Someone’s really desperate for us to take these spying charges seriously. Why would that be? I like JHK’s treatment of this “news” better than the multiple sockpuppets’ treatment. The socks want you to get all fired up and do something reactionary. JHK essentially thumbs his nose at the “news.” Irreverence goes much further in destabilizing a perceived enemy than reaction. A perceived enemy wants you to react. If you don’t, and instead turn your other cheek to them in a dismissive and insulting manner, it destabilizes them, psychically. Good try, socks, but we’re not biting. Take it to Stormfront.

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

      Abortion is a sacrament of Liberalism. Utterly sacred. Have you partaken?

      • wheres asoka June 14, 2013 at 4:51 pm #

        Catholic Association Condemns Pelosi’s Assertion That Abortion Is ‘Sacred Ground’
        Christian Post
        After chastising McCormack for asking a question about the House bill, Pelosi said her colleagues who seek to limit late-term abortions are …blabla bla..
        If there ever was a cunt, NP is she.

        • Abortionist June 14, 2013 at 9:23 pm #

          Fraulein Feinstein is a much BIGGER KUNT than Pelosi,

          But they are two bitches that share the same twat.

        • Mr. Roboto June 15, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

          If the ability to screen fetuses for a predisposition to homoseuxality ever becomes a reality, I’m sure the fundies will be all in favor of those abortions and even sanctify them. I can just hear them now: “Puh-RAYZZZ JEE-zuss abor-shuns!”

  10. BackRowHeckler June 14, 2013 at 8:16 am #

    Not to worry.

    Down on Staten Island a new Roller Coaster is being built. Pricetag: $500 million. I understand it will be one helluva ride!

    • Abortionist June 14, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

      Fascism is ‘order’, Fascism is when GOVERMENT&CORPORATION unite to become ONE. Hitler & Mussolini were FASCISTS, brought to power by ford,bush, and hearst.

      Fascism is as American as APPLE PIE,

      Anybody that doesn’t think that FASCISM has been the gubmint of the USA since day-one 1776 doesn’t know a fucking thing about USA history.

  11. Chris June 14, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    Thanks for the yeas of commentary and helping shift the shape of my mind.

    There is something wrong with the new software you are using.

    Your blog page “jumps” a line by itself, up a line, or down a line, every fifteen seconds or so.

    Quite distracting when reading anything long.

    On a Mac, Firefox 21.0

    “Facebook URL” to sign in?

    I guess you want the NASCAR sophisticates to comment on your page? That’s about the only class of people that actually log in on Facebook to blogs or newspapers.

    • Abortionist June 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

      Jim is not tech savvy you know that, … if he were he wouldn’t embed google, facebook, et-al to his blog, … the fact that he does shows he’s either an idiot, or an enabler.

  12. rhino June 14, 2013 at 10:37 am #

    I think that Eleuthero is right to not over-estimate the effectiveness of these surveillance schemes. Or the competence of the bureaucrats assigned to run them. Maybe they can’t use this data to find the bad guys because it’s just not technically feasible. Maybe this is a case of make-believe, they’re trying to make you believe they can do something they can’t.

    But there’s malice to consider. What of the possibility that duly blessed and constituted procedures are subverted? What of the possibility that the FISA Court becomes a rubber stamp or that the a-political bureaucracy that runs this thing suddenly turns political like the IRS recently did with their singling out of conservative causes for harassment? What of the possibility that the database containing all this neat stuff gets hacked?

    E talks about pretentious shit. Here’s some: they say they collected “metadata”.

    What is metadata? Wiki says it’s “data about data” and a bunch of other stuff, too detailed to recount here. Let’s say it IS metadata. So what?

    Meta data? Sounds like bullshit to me. Why? Because they say that the data they hoovered up is very specific. Why would calling it something like “metadata” be in any way re-assuring?

    I think maybe BeingThere has a point. Correct us if we’re wrong but it sounds like, if someone with access wanted to, they could use this info to blackmail people or to seriously screw them up. Like for instance, people with zesty political views. Or somebody running for office.

    So, let’s say someone gets access and zeroes in on someone they don’t like. And they notice repeated calls to a certain number. And this number is registered to a certain young gal who is not the wife of this someone they don’t like. Can’t happen?

    These honeytrap scenarios sound so drearily commonplace. But they are time-tested. They work. Look at Bill Clinton’s adventures with Monika. De-railed his second term. Hard to believe that Washington was utterly consumed with this nonsense for years.

    Maybe things like this aren’t supposed to happen. But then bureaucrats are capable of mind boggling feats of stupidity. Like those knuckleheads at the IRS that thought nobody would notice their abusive treatment of conservative organizations. The claim is that this was a case of bueaucratic stupidty. I don’t think so. I think it was deliberate and targetted and malicicous.

    Is the data “safe”? Because when someone tells me there’s firewalls or that the data is encrypted I think of boy geniuses making their living breaking the supposedly unbreakable.

  13. rhino June 14, 2013 at 10:44 am #

    I’ll bet that assorted US intelligence outfits are very, very busy leaning on every resource they’ve got so they can, by hook or by crook, snatch Mr Snowdon and bundle him back to the US.

    Couldn’t help but hear that this President Obama, like his predecessor, isn’t all that squeamish about using questionable means to apprehend and detain people and extract information from them. Oh, and whack them. I think that Mr Snowdon said that last thought crossed his mind.

    So, as of this morning, Mr Snowdon is still in Hong Kong. Supposedly anyway. But did you notice that Mr Snowdon’s specific whereabouts are unknown? Again, supposedly. Let’s suppose that he’s at still at liberty in Hong Kong. Do you want to bet that US intel agents and the Russkis and the Chinese all have eyes on him? Want to bet he can’t take a crap without them all knowing?

    There was a headline that US -ahem- “authorities” are afraid he’ll defect to China. In that case, these “authorities” are about as smart as any teen with a taste for spy novels.

    What are the odds that the Chinese already grabbed him? Or at least had some really long sit-downs with him. Wouldn’t surprise me. Would it surprise you?

    Russia says they might consider giving Snowdon asylum. A howler that was. What do you think the quid pro quo might be?

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

      Public bathrooms all have cameras in them – the little red light. Enjoy if you can, – they are.

      • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

        This is why its critical to think about ‘data mining for the little guy’, I have written many articles, … but you need to understand that all these ‘toilet cam’s are online, …

        The NSA is simply doing what facebook&google built for the corporations, and they’re data-mining with a different angle.

        Given that the data-mining by the corporation, is on the same legal level as NSA/CIA, given that all algorithms are public-domain. Given that high speed computer’s are now available for less than $1000, cuda, nvidia, amdX,

        Now its possible for any little guy, with the right direction to offer 24/7 SPYING on all politicians, I see it coming, … perhaps as a service, or a distributed wiki, and then client app’s consolidate the data,

        Given that FEINSTEIN & McCAIN are OK, with 24/7 information awareness, then they should be OK, with we the people watching Feinstein in the toilet.

        This is coming, … and there is nothing they can do, they made spying legal for the corporations first, and then sold it to the local cops, and then the NSA decided to play catch up, and now the little guy can spy on the spy’s…

        Feinstein of course will call for little guy spying to be illegal, but the cat is out of the bag, and ALL this stuff is public if you know how to find it.

    • Abortionist June 14, 2013 at 9:36 pm #


      Snowden is only safe in 2 country’s that are too big for the USA to kill


      So snowden has to go somewhere safe, if snowden was still in the USA, he would have been ‘black-bagged’ ( v for vendetta ).

      If snowden goes to china-russia he’s a traitor, if he stays in occupied US territory ( 80% of the earth ), he’s a dead man.

      Well its better to be an alive ‘traitor’, than a dead traitor.

      Not much choice is there?

      SNOWDEN has put this debate into world consciousness so this is GOOD, I myself have always known about the scope of the NSA SPying. But I think the majority of world citizens were in DENIAL.

      So this is all good.

      Of course the zionists that control this blog, hate this subject, … move along.

  14. D Benton Smith. June 14, 2013 at 10:55 am #

    Summer temperatures here in Cottonwood, Arizona , typically hit 100-105 on any given day , but what with the chilling effect from all that NSA/Prism shit I’ve been able to cut way back on the Air Conditioning and am saving a bundle.
    Thanks, spy guys.
    Now , about those neighbors of mine who always have the shades down and cars coming and going at all hours of the night. Could you tell me what they’re all up to ? I’m just dying to know because ever since that big data collection center went in the gossip around town has really dried up.

  15. BleatToTheBeat June 14, 2013 at 10:59 am #

    Several days ago I happened to be watching CNBC when the usually overheated Jim Cramer proclaimed that everyone should “just accept” that some people get to front run trades in the various markets. I turned the TV off and haven’t turned it on since.

    It’s good that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that naturally occurring DNA can’t be patented, but remember, some people thought that it was OK to do that for the sake of a profitable investment.

    And speaking of overheated, the commenter who is seeking approval for their Final Solution to Israeli control should really spend some time outside. I personally remain unmoved by their fear mongering.

    So how should we rally against such overwhelming forces? Are you ready to sacrifice your body?

    Despite whatever positive changes you may think you have embraced, if you are still paying taxes, still voting for Democrats and Republicans, still spending your money on products made and sold by multinational corporations, don’t expect any of this way of life to change until there are serious commodity shortages.

    Hopefully, we can run faster than the environmental damage we are causing.

    Go out and chase some butterflies while they are still around.

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

      Immigrants – non-White ones that is – get all kind of aid such as low interest loans that Whites do not get. Is this also something we should just accept?

      • BleatToTheBeat June 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

        The last thing I need is another loan with interest to (not) repay.

        Ask Cramer. I wonder what he would say.

        Wage AND credit slaves. They’re the best kind.

  16. D Benton Smith. June 14, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    Wait ! Don’t shoot , don’t shoot , don’t shoot !
    About that air conditioning bill , I was just kidding. It was a joke , right ? I’ve got a 7 KW solar array and the meter runs backwards even with the AC cranked to ” frostbite “. Organic garden , water from the Verde River two blocks away , town totally ” walkable ” , everybody packs heat right out in public , etc. etc. etc. Full spectrum prepper / doomer kind of place . I’m as carbon kosher as a lapsed Irish Catholic could possibly be without giving up his Guinnesse.

  17. NSA June 14, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    We have little to do here at the agency in Langley, as it is game over for the constitution and its naive followers…..so we decided to run a simulation study of just what the effects would be of turning off the electricity. The results: within 24 hours total chaos…..within 48 hours total law enforcement breakdown and widespread looting….within 3 days, the disintegration of all federal command and control…within 5 days the first signs of disintegration in the armed forces as food supplies dwindle……….within 6 days the first overt signs of cannibalism……within 10 days, widespread cannibalism everywhere. Here at Maclean and Langley we miss an actual opposition we don’t own to have a little fun with…….

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

      Thomas Chittum, author of Civil War Two, spoke of the “Langley Clowns”.

    • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

      Take the KUNSTLER Pledge and be Absolved of ALL Guilt for ELECTING OBAMA … Forever …

      I pledge allegiance to the supercomputer of the United States of Data Mining. And to the dictatorship for which it stands, one nation, under Obama, unencryptable, with tyranny and injustice for all.

  18. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Newfie said: “There are an awful lot of faux Kunstler’s on this blog.”


    Yeah, and a lot of faux asokas, too. You could be asoka posting as Newfie… who knows?

    Between the faux Kunstlers and faux asokas those two fakes make up three quarters of the posts here… but hey, some of the content is good.

    Just sayin’

    • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:17 pm #

      Follow Ariel Castro closely, that has got to be the best story going down about the implosion of the ‘oil state’.

      CIA/NSA/FBI … running safe-outs and free sex all over the USA, what’s different this time is neighbors had reported to police for 10 years that they saw girls naked on leashes like dogs ( abu-ghraib ), and the police refused to enter the house. Everybody in the HOOD understood that Ariel Castro was running a ‘CIA Safehouse’, … pretty safe uhh? Your a cop on the LAM, and you stay low in a house full of women to be used as ‘sex pets’.

      There are operations such as this all over the USA, … little wonder that the CIA/NSA needs to spy, and cover their ass on these ‘safe houses’.

  19. highwaytohell June 14, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

    Go Type up I 610 Houston on You tube, and find hundreds of videos showing you people driving over highwaystan oh sorry Houston.
    why? Because they can. you have three or four intersecting technologies and time available.

    Cheap gas , a car, lots of lanes, car cameras, you tube. put them all together and you can watch people zooming across any given freeway in US and Canada.
    Data mining is like that, do it because, a you can, b you ghave resources on hand or you have commandeered it through lobbying power.
    It useful in the same way the highway videos are, a snapshot in time of a way of life that will soon fade.
    And btw, Houston has more highways planned and coming up. one more outer ring Grand Parkway at junction of SR99 and I 10 near Katy, more guaranteed waste of resources for years to come.

  20. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 2:55 pm #

    highwaytohell wrote:
    Houston has more highways planned and coming up. one more outer ring Grand Parkway at junction of SR99 and I 10 near Katy…

    Actually the plans are not for Houston, but around the greater Houston region. And they have been on paper as plans since the 80s but many of the segments are not being built. For example, the segment from SH 249 (Tomball Parkway) to IH 45 (N) (North Freeway) through Harris County which folks in The Woodlands might find useful.

    • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

      If your even in a 500 mile radius of HOUSTON, … I just pity you, if there is a HELL it’s any where near Texas, … ugly fucking place, ugly fucking people, hot and insects from hell.

      Houston was insane in the 1970′s and is even more insane now. But the parsites stay cuz the money is good, … eat your fucking money and live in hell, what a life.

  21. NSA June 14, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

    We here at the agencies in Maclean and Langley meet NO RESISTANCE at all……this is just too easy.

  22. rube-i-con June 14, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    We have little to do here at the agency in Langley, as it is game over for the constitution and its naive followers…..so we decided to run a simulation study of just what the effects would be of turning off the electricity. The results: within 24 hours total chaos…..within 48 hours total law enforcement breakdown and widespread looting….within 3 days, the disintegration of all federal command and control…within 5 days the first signs of disintegration in the armed forces as food supplies dwindle……….within 6 days the first overt signs of cannibalism……within 10 days, widespread cannibalism everywhere. Here at Maclean and Langley we miss an actual opposition we don’t own to have a little fun with…….

    this is why i’m leaving this blog. childish wishing for doomsday, in syrypy tv format description. life in the US is getting better, technology, from everything i can see, is making marvellous advances, e.g. led lights that use 98% less energy, cars that generate your home’s electricity, producing fuel from algae, bionic hands that can feel, and soon people who are paralyzed will be walking. albeit awkwardly, but that’s the nature of technology. we advance, we DO NOT REGRESS YOU IGNORANT APES.

    plus the new site layout sux eggs, all the good guys are gone. JHK was a fool to change the old layout, he’s shat the place entirely.

    so now i bow out, like tripp ticket wisely did, one of the ultra few i admired on this board. he, unlike most of you, actually does something tangible to better his life/the environment, and by extension the world, and not just wish for armageddon in childish fantasy scenarios that never play out. Much like kunstler’s tired, oh so TIRED!, predictions that never pan out.

    peace peaceniks

    • wheres asoka June 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

      You are a black sheep here, if ya think QoL in USA is getting better.

    • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

      The USA is the SHITHOLE of the earth, they (US CITIZENS) have raped and robbed the world;

      Malcolm-x said it in 1963 “chickens coming home to roost”,

      Nope, nothing is going to get better in the USA, cuz now you go 2-3 generations of fucking parasites that will all eat each other coming civil war.

      Life is better for who? team google or facebook?

      get the fuck out of the USA while you still can, go to Canada or something, stay in USA you will be condemned to giving ASOKA blow jobs forever.

    • bill June 14, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

      We can run off to the BUSH like KUNSTLER and hide, or we can go work at a CIA safe-house and kidnap people force them to give us blow-jobs like ASOKA, … or we can get mad as hell and push back,..

      It’s all up to each individual,

      Know the USA public the way I do, I suspect most will volunteer to be SEX GIMPS ( see pulp-fiction? ), at the one the local cop shop ‘sex safe houses’, … this is so naturally ameriKKKan,

      Most don’t have the assets to go live in the bush like kunstler,

      Most don’t have BALLS to push back,

      But 97% of the US public can assume the position and give cop’s blow jobs for eternity.

  23. Sarah June 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    So JIM and a few other MORONS here tell us that the USA spying is inept, .. funny that’s what HITLER Jewish enablers told other Jews prior to the HOLOCAUST …

    Think of it this way even in 1938 there were Jews who told other Jew’s, don’t worry HITLER doesn’t have an IBM computer, he can’t use hollerith cards to track you, …Hitler’s men aren’t smart enough to know who’s a jew, and where they keep their money. Guess what? Those that listened to the KUNSTLER’s of that era who were Jews ALL died 100%.

    Yes, I’m a Jew

  24. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 7:02 pm #

    rube-i-con said:
    this is why i’m leaving this blog…

    Thanks for all your contributions from Brazil and thanks for your optimistic outlook on a blog that calls pessimism “being realistic” (NOT!) You will be missed. And thanks for all the trees you have planted.

    You, Welles, (rube-i-con) have done more for humanity than those who kvetch here week after week. Sorry to see you go.

    • Jaego June 14, 2013 at 7:31 pm #

      rube i con or I con rubes? Technology improves Life only when it is used appropriately. It doesn’t do so automatically. And thus when used inappropriately….

      • Florence June 14, 2013 at 9:43 pm #

        Nobody ever said that ‘masturbating’ and/or blogging would make this a better world, … the entire scope here all along as been to let all the dimwits babble on, and then store babbles for later analysis, and then use that data to pick and choose who to be elminated.

        We told you that the web would take you places, we never said they would be good places.

        It doesn’t matter what site you mastur-blog its all the same, and nobody cares what you have to say, only the fact that the words you use put a number on your SSN from 0-1, and show you as a POI ( person of interest ), …

        When people look back in the future at how people just talked shit on the internet and entered all their private thoughts that will be studied forever the future will laugh their ass off.

        Far better to put your thoughts on paper&pencil and then burn,
        otherwise your fucked.

        Lastly, I disagree with KUNSTLER on SNITCH, its the #1 way that Israel collects data by SNITCH, an its the number 1 way that the USA gets indictments.

  25. NSA June 14, 2013 at 8:58 pm #

    All you greenies and peak oilies should remember the words of one of our favorite thinkers here at the agency in Maclean, VA:
    “If you don’t violate the law, you have nothing to worry about”
    Joe Goebbels

    • Florence June 14, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

      JIM and a few other MORONS here tell us that the USA spying is inept, .. funny that’s what HITLER Jewish enablers told other Jews prior to the HOLOCAUST …

      Think of it this way even in 1938 there were Jews who told other Jew’s, don’t worry HITLER doesn’t have an IBM computer, he can’t use hollerith cards to track you, …Hitler’s men aren’t smart enough to know who’s a jew, and where they keep their money. Guess what? Those that listened to the KUNSTLER’s of that era who were Jews ALL died 100%.

      Yes, I’m a Jew

      • BleatToTheBeat June 14, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

        Didja ever wonder how many Jews the Nazis rounded up just fit the “general description”. Ya think they may have gotten a little carried away? What with the fashion and parades and all.

        Damn. You’re like John Wayne. How are you able to type after takin’ all those bullets in the noble cause of The Revolution!

        You’re my hero …heroine


  26. Abortionist June 14, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    Yes, I concur here 100%.

    GOOGLE&FACEBOOK, and YAHOO, and Microsoft all provide a service they want, …

    I predicted this in the 1970′s that the neo-nazi’s would teach the masses to ‘enter’ their own dossiers, well its been done.

    The corporations have all along had access to the IRS data and all data ‘FACT’, its the government that was controlled the POLICE pay facebook and google for their INTEL, but the NSA is now in a pickle as the GOOGLE/FB/YAHOO/PAYPAL has MORE INTEL than anyone on the face of the earth. It’s all for sale,

    You all know that the human body is 98% water, and worth about zilch, well your total information is worth about .0005 cents in the corporate world and that’s how its sold by the corporations.

    The GOVERNMENT doesn’t want to PAY, that’s what this WHOLE debate is about.

    What do we do? Quit using ALL USA web services, … problem solved.

    Go to HUSHMAIL.COM, go to any search engine offshore,… host your web in another country, … problem solved.

  27. Florence June 14, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    Those that listened to the KUNSTLER’s of that era ( 1937-1939 ) who were Jews ALL died 100%.

    Those that listened to Kunstler from 2012-2014 all died same.

  28. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 9:52 pm #

    JoeBob says: Support United We Dream


    The real America is multicultural, bilingual, and soon will be a non-white majority country.

    Embrace change. Celebrate change we can believe in.

    No! to a “path to citizenship” with years of bureaucratic hoops to jump: Complete and immediate amnesty now!

    United We Dream


  29. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

    JoeBob says: Support United We Dream

    The real America is multicultural, bilingual, and soon will be a non-white majority country.

    Embrace change. Celebrate change we can believe in.

    No! to a “path to citizenship” with years of bureaucratic hoops to jump: Complete and immediate amnesty now!

    United We Dream


    • BleatToTheBeat June 14, 2013 at 10:00 pm #

      Give me your tired

      Your poor

      Your huddled masses yearning to get on disability

      Numbers, dude. Numbers…

  30. JoeBob June 14, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    THE FACT IS, MORE WHITES RECEIVE AID than blacks or Hispanics. Two out of three welfare recipients are children, not adults. And contrary to the stereotype of families forever dependent, nearly three out of four women receiving aid get off welfare within two years.

    “The white women are invisible,” says Nancy Lyman-Shaver, a former welfare mother who now runs a criminal-justice program for ARISE, a social welfare organization in Springfield, Massachusetts.

    “They are the daughters and nieces of middle-class, suburban families who end up on welfare because of a divorce or an abusive partner.

    “Every family I know has someone receiving AFDC, but no one likes to talk about it.”

    • blow joe June 15, 2013 at 12:25 am #

      The little people on welfare are NOT the problem,

      The problem is COPS,Soldiers, and secret police ( majority ).

      60% of the USA public get a check from the gubmint, they all be welfare HO’s, of those only a small percentage of this total outlay is paid, besides MOST ‘welfare’ money is state, but 60% of the USA public is on the FASCIST payroll, aka welfare, and corporate welfare.

      The percentage of dollars that go to poor white and women of color is in the single digits.

      +95% of welfare HO money goes to cop/soldiers, and of that the majority goes to FUND their retirement funds.

      • blow joe June 15, 2013 at 12:28 am #

        This is why the police state that is the USA will never die, because the new elite that have the most money are the cops.

        Hangman, gendarmes, and executioners. Best paid people in ameriKKKa.

        Best pay, and best retirement, and best benefits.

        These are the REAL welfare HO’s in the USA. The cop’s, and the majority are off budget secret cop’s.

        • BleatToTheBeat June 15, 2013 at 1:06 am #

          They are the REAL welfare HO’s in every country.

          You’re kind of a single minded twit, huh.

          Why, I’ll bet that you don’t even feed stray dogs.



          • blow joe June 15, 2013 at 2:16 am #

            We only eat puppy with boiled bot. Our Obama-Bot algorithm pre-programmed with “GOOGLE KUNSTLER AIPAC LACKEY”, you can google and confirm for all.

  31. blow joe June 15, 2013 at 2:17 am #

    Welfare HO’s by DEFINTION can only parasitically host in the USA, no other people on earth would tolerate such, only shit-fed USA public tolerates secret-government, and secret-police.

  32. Carol Newquist June 15, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    JoeBob, what the hell took you so long? I thought you’d never show up. Tell adequatio I said hi.

  33. ozone June 15, 2013 at 6:57 pm #

    One reason the trackbacks thingy is pretty kewl:


    It leads to like-minded blogs, which is a nice way around a lot of denialist bullshittery. (If you like that kinda thing…)

    • Jaego June 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

      You think you are cool spelling cool as kewl, but no, you are gay.

  34. ozone June 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

    Awwwww, poor Jaeg-off; no one to spew to? It’s over for the limp-minded.

    • Jaego June 16, 2013 at 3:56 am #

      You are destroying the blog with your gay kewl. Maybe it’s not affectation after all but just the way you are. Born that way.

  35. JoeBob June 15, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    JoeBob, what the hell took you so long? I thought you’d never show up. Tell adequatio I said hi.

    Will do.

    Ozone thinks the usa will never again see economic growth. The index of U.S. leading indicators says otherwise. The indicators climbed in April, a rebound from March that suggests the world’s largest economy will accelerate later this year.

    The Conference Board’s gauge of the outlook for the next three to six months climbed 0.6 percent in April after falling a revised 0.2 percent in March that was steeper than previously reported, the New York-based group said today. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg called for a 0.2 percent increase.

    Advancing stock prices and a recovering housing market may be propping up household spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy.

    It’s all good.

  36. Dark Skies Falling June 16, 2013 at 3:48 am #

    First of all, it’s Snowden. And second of all, Americans are not disrespectful of authority. More precisely, they don’t know when to respect it (legitimate authority) and when to question it (illegitimate authority).

    Anyway, here is an interesting article:

    Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and energy shocks:
    NSA Prism is motivated in part by fears that environmentally-linked disasters could spur anti-government activism


    • ozone June 16, 2013 at 9:13 am #

      Great article, thanks for the link.

      Here’s one on Markus Wolf from the dim and distant past of 2010, referring to the forgotten and barely accessible year of 2005! (I know, I know, eons ago, but they seem to have had a crude writing system back then.)


      …And Boston turned out to be a very successful testing of “special instances”. Fer chris’sakes, the Totenkopfs were overwhelmingly WELCOMED into homes (sans warrant of any kind) because the good people were convinced they were being “kept safe”.

      Seems “public safety” is proceeding flawlessly.

      • ozone June 16, 2013 at 9:19 am #

        BTW, Mr. Wolf is no longer able to share his great ideas with Homeland Ss’kur’dy. Hopefully, he can spy on the Great Beyond and report back. Don’t forget to prepare your air-conditioned suit, Poppy Bush. (We can easily see now why you had to get JFK “out of the way”.)

      • BleatToTheBeat June 16, 2013 at 10:05 am #

        All In The Family


        • ozone June 16, 2013 at 10:22 am #

          Good to know we’re paying for our own enslavement. Must be getting expensive to watch everyone and everything all the time. (Well, heck, I thought all this good stuff was off-budget and paid for with world-wide drug trade money. No?)

      • Dark Skies Falling June 23, 2013 at 9:35 pm #

        I had a dream several years back wherein the American people were being rounded up into personnel carrier vehicles in order to be transported to some unknown location. Each person was given a color to denote a “threat” level. Green was a zero threat, yellow was a questionable threat, and red was an American citizen considered to be a strong threat. Each person was made to wear the color and board the vehicle in the neighborhoods corresponding to their threat. It seems that still today, though not out in the open yet, it is a distinct possibly they could be planning for.

        By the way, after the Gulf Oil Spill just happened and there was little news about the extent of the problem or any stirrings in the media. I also had a dream that Matthew Simmons would die and it would “look” like an accident. Behind the activities surrounding this event was a criminal racket that captured locals and held them in the bay (or ie, at bay).

        No one knows the full extent of criminal activities at the highest levels, but one should probably not sleep too easily at night.

  37. Bah_Bwah June 16, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    I am re-posting this as an original comment, rather than as a reply, so that it will appear in chronological order and won’t go unnoticed. I’d like to know if others here at CFN are encountering the same experience as I describe.

    “And yet another test.

    I believe this will show that this reply will go unnoticed by all but the most diligent of readers because it does not appear in chronological order. So, although it is written at 12:37PM on 6/16/13 it will appear directly under a reply dated 6/12/13 at 3:45PM.

    If you post a reply to a comment written days ago (in this case, 4 days ago) what are the odds that a reader is going to go all the way back to the beginning of the week’s comments to see what new replies may have been posted? And unless that person has a photographic memory how would he or she know what is new without carefully examining every date and time stamp. Slim to none.

    Here’s another thing about Jim’s makeover of the CFN site: Let’s say you have the Kunstler blog bookmarked as a favorite so this morning you accessed the blog to see what new posts have appeared. You scroll to the bottom and find that the last post showing is dated June 12th etc. You then click on “newer posts” and it takes you further down to maybe June 14th. Again you have to click on “newer posts” and scroll to the bottom to finally arrive at the very last original post. If the last post was a reply there is no telling where it may appear within the entire comments section.

    I hope, but am not optimistic, that Jim will see this comment/reply and realize that this needs to be fixed.”

  38. Farmer Sandra June 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    I could only read through a few dozen comments before feeling worried about our future as a nation. Some scary and dim bulbs out there. Probably if assembled in a room, you wouldn’t find half a wit, collectively.

    • wheres asoka June 16, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

      Welcome Sandra. I think this ‘Peak Oil’ blog has peaked.

      • Farmer Sandra June 16, 2013 at 6:19 pm #

        Well, actually I enjoy Jim’s books and writing. 20 years of traveling the world broadened my views. My commentary was on the comments. So many ill-mannered clueless people in this country.

        • wheres asoka June 17, 2013 at 12:54 am #

          You assume bloggers are all americans!

  39. NSA June 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    We referred this site to our direct action assessment department….who found the only threat was a few kike baiters and homo bashers. So carry on and rest assured that we here in Langley have little interest in Jimbo and his mildly deviant site………

  40. mCubed June 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    JHK–almost done with “Too Much Magic”. I really thought I was informed about some of the goings-on in the past few years, but boy…the connections that you make, particularly with banking…make me want to just give up on this whole humanity thing.

    Past that…I would have to agree with the idea that this data mining isn’t so much for “blackmail of future political opponents” as it is a toy for the truly paranoid. It’s like hiding in a coat closet at a party you weren’t invited to–to hear what people are saying about you.

    Activists and protestors announce their intentions, particularly when you need to apply for a permit to congregate anymore. This data mining tool—being used by McDonalds? WalMart? WTF? Seriously? It almost sounds like an Edward Bernays wet dream of advertising. Do they really want to tap into the buying psyche of the average Walmartian?

    Be my guest.

    The banks use it? Probably. I’d be pretty paranoid that someone was going to off me too if I were them. That’d be pretty important information to have!

    Oh yeah…and you don’t think that perhaps…they’re selling information to competing businesses, do you? I mean, the gov’t wouldn’t actually be listening in on say….Apple….and then putting in a call to say…..Bill Gates….do you?

    In actuality, folks–what they’re doing isn’t all that much different than you listening to the radio. You don’t pay for that reception, do you? The radiowaves are sent out there to whomever wants to tune in–and the advertising does the rest.

    The NSA may have access to FB and Google and all that—but honestly, so does everyone else. I access the internet via satellite, because of where I live—I can attempt all I like to prevent outside access to my information, but once that satellite transmits that data…it’s out there for the world to see.

    I can send you a keylogger via “cute puppy picture” on one pixel—and data mine your computer til my head explodes. I can purchase listening devices that look like your alarm clock or your kids’ teddy bear and take pictures too! I have my own cellphone camera–I can follow you everywhere you go and film your every move and put it on YouTube anonymously.

    These are truly amateur and common ways that people spy on each other ALL THE TIME.

    EVERYONE has this capability…you just need to have no moral compass in order to deploy something like that.

    I think it’s a distraction. If I were of the truly paranoid ilk—I would wonder if Oily Bomber himself isn’t involved in setting up some willing patsy to “come out” with all of this “information”…get everyone all hyped up in a hissy fit—

    So that we don’t trust each other, that we don’t come together to attempt to solve the more PRESSING problems we are facing right now. Turkey. Syria. Russia. Peak Oil. Peak Water. Fracking. KeystoneXL. Iran. Fukushima. Need I go on?

    Data mining? Really? So I sexted my ex boyfriend once and I want to run for Governor. Right now….I think that it’s a pre-requisite for me to have done that to be Governor, right?

    • BleatToTheBeat June 16, 2013 at 6:41 pm #

      As head of the Clusterfuck Nation’s Ethics Committee, allow me offer our assistance. We will gladly examine the text in question to determine if it qualifies you as a candidate for Governor of your state. Please forward your submission to:


      We really…..really look forward to your correspondence.

  41. ozone June 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    “…Prism was originally thought to be a program to force Internet companies to hand over private user data to the government. But it turns out that Prism is actually a filtering tool to “make sense of the cacophony of the Internet’s raw feed…Prism takes large beams of data and helps the government find discrete, manageable strands of information.”

    It then manages those strands of data by creating dossiers on every Internet user, providing the government with “names, addresses, conversation histories and entire archives of email inboxes.”

    And, of course, all of this data is collected and kept on innocent people without a warrant or any probable cause.” -J.P. Hicks

    There, okay? Nothing at all to worry about. Move along, nothing to see here; return to your homes and shelter in place… so we’ll know where to find you when we come for you at a [slightly] later date.

    One half of the underclass (cops and troops) to oppress, kill and imprison the other half in exchange for the special privileges of food, shelter and clothing.

    • Ixnei June 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

      Bwahaha! Deep thoughts by Jack Handey!!! I’ve often wondered how much of the same they did back with voice recognition in the 80′s… I mean, look at the history of that x-dressing @$$-hat who started it all (more or less) – nuthin’ but dossier upon dossier!!!

  42. Ixnei June 16, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    The mirror-echo-hive has taken form – unfortunately, the *control* is in the wrong hands (when has it ever *NOT* been?)

    NE-1 catch that sad panel, or the initial interview, this week on Real Time? That episode shows how condemned, corrupted, and outright narcissistic our “big names” are… I loved that Brit douche, who all but basically stated, “How *DARE* you counter our argument bathed in hegemonic *glory*?” That Brit got his @$$ handed to him on a silver platter (cash THAT bad-boyie in, *QUICK*!!!)

    The utter ignorance, arrogance, and insouciance reaked of pure carcinogens. Nothing but exponential pollution – but they are real, living, *breathing* “big name” persons…

    • IxNoMor June 17, 2013 at 1:52 am #

      Remember when we gave all those chemical weapons to Saddam in the late 70′s, so he could use them against the *NW* (Syria)?!…

      Prolly *NOT*.

  43. Too Cra-Z June 17, 2013 at 3:03 am #

    How that Afghani 12/31/01 pipeline *DOING*!!! PUMPIN’?!?

  44. BackRowHeckler June 17, 2013 at 7:16 am #

    Hey NSA, Monitor This!!!

    The BackRowHeckler

  45. FoknBois June 20, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    Asoka dead.

    Comments section dead.

    I remember some of Asoka’s assumptions:

    1. A LIVING, NOT DEAD UNIVERSE: Asoka said we live in a living, regenerative universe. This insight transforms our understanding of where we are, who we are, and where we are going. Asoka rejected the “laws of dead matter physics” because he/she said there is no “law giver.”

    2. SUSTAINABLE WAYS OF LIVING: Consumerism makes sense in a dead universe. But voluntary, happy, simplicity makes more sense in a living universe — and that was Asoka’s view of the reality emerging now. Asoka posted many times on permaculture (even though he or she was often attacked for doing so). Asoka posted on how to live on $12,000 a year, which is where he or she thought we would collectively be most happy, as well as in tune with energy descent.

    3. MASS MEDIA AND MASS MIND: Asoka believed that at this pivotal time in human evolution, it is vitally important that messages in the mass media serve our psychological and spiritual health and not distort our collective intelligence, imagination and evolution. Hence, Asoka’s endless battle with CFN doomsterism / CFN pessimism / CFN fatalism.

    4. GREAT TRANSITION STORIES: Asoka said we are in the early stages of a ‘great transition.’ He or she noted there are a number of stories that offer insight into this process, none of which appear on CFN.

    5. TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION: Asoka believed we require processes that will acknowledge and work to overcome the thousands of years of separation that has been experienced by different people at different times, including: women/men, poor/rich, black/white, old/young, Muslim/Christian, humans/other life-forms, etc. Asoka thought we would benefit enormously from a global, truth and reconciliation process at every scale.

    But Asoka dead.

    Comments section dead.

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