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It is a wonder of these incendiary times that even as impeachment of a president moves to its ripest phase, trial in the Senate, the acts of sedition that prompted it still go on behind the scenes with no intervention — an epic failure of authority, if there ever was one. And further irony, if ever there was a trial that cried for witnesses, the impeachment case being brought by Mrs. Pelosi is such a hash of fraud, incompetence, and chicanery, that it begs for summary dismissal — so that these seditious caitiffs will not have to answer to the nation.

I speak of the “whistleblower” scheme cooked up by a network of officials who have actively plotted to overthrow the president for three years, as laid out at The Last Refuge website Sunday night: Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson in league with former colleagues from the Department of Justice National Security Division and the Lawfare org — a group dedicated to weaponizing law, in service to the political Left.

As I have averred in this blog as far back as October, Mr. Atkinson’s previous job before being appointed ICIG was counsel (lawyer) to the Department of Justice’s Chief of National Security. During the first half of the election year 2016, that was John Carlin. Mr. Carlin’s job was not just to sign-off on FISA warrants, but to actually write them. It also happens that Mr. Carlin had previously served as chief of staff to Robert Mueller, when Mr. Mueller was FBI Director.

Mr. Carlin signed-off on a March 2016 warrant against Carter Page, under suspicion of being a Russian Spy, when in fact Carter Page was a CIA informant who had been operating in Russia for years to uncover Russian adventures against the USA. CIA Director John Brennan inserted Mr. Page into the Trump campaign to open up Mr. Trump’s campaign to FBI surveillance, since the CIA has no law enforcement powers. The FISA Court’s Two-hop Rule allows a second hop to anyone who communicated with the initial subject of a warrant, which might have achieved surveillance of everyone in the Trump campaign, including the candidate himself. It also would have allowed access to all communications going back for years. This part of the scheme was probably green-lighted by White House National Security Advisor Susan Rice for Mr. Brennan, with President Obama’s approval, for the purpose of helping Hillary Clinton win the election.

John Carlin resigned in September of 2016 when faced with the prospect of having to sign a second fraudulent FISA warrant. He was replaced by DOJ attorney Mary McCord. Among other things, Ms. McCord was involved in engineering the case against General Michael Flynn, as well as the continuing surveillance of the Trump campaign. She resigned in April of 2017. A month later, Robert Mueller was appointed Special Counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (acting for recused AG Jeff Sessions). Mary McCord then moved to a job at the elephant’s graveyard of federal officials under suspicion of malfeasance: the Georgetown University Law School. Meanwhile Michael Atkinson, who had continued as counsel under Ms. McCord, was shifted to his new job as ICIG.

Since then, somehow, Mary McCord landed a gig as an outside lawyer for Adam Schiff’s House intelligence Committee, to which she remains attached to this day. She is also associated with the Lawfare org that has supplied several other lawyers to Mr. Schiff’s committee and Jerrold Nadler’s House Judiciary Committee. Did Ms. McCord organize the “whistleblower” complaint and coordinate its transmission through Mr. Atkinson’s IG office, with CIA agent Eric Ciaramella acting as the spearpoint for the operation? Did Mr. Ciaramella have direct contact with Ms. McCord in the process? Did Ms. McCord have any part in actually writing the “whistleblower’s” highly legalistic complaint? Did Ms. McCord play any part in the backdating of official forms submitted for the “whistleblower’s” complaint — especially the crucial matter of changing the provision that disallowed second-hand “hearsay” evidence from such a complaint? Isn’t it a pity that the Senate phase of this impeachment may conclude with no testimony from these people?

An additional insult to the public interest went down on Friday when FISA court presiding judge James Boasberg picked one David Kris, former DOJ National Security Division chief (preceding John Carlin under President Obama), to “assist” in reforming FISA court procedures lately discredited by multiple acts of fraud and seditious abuse. Mr. Kris’s conflicts of interest in this endeavor are so rich and dark that they would embarrass a Gestapo Gruppenführer. In October, 2019, he tweeted “Trump has to go.” He was a loud critic of the report issued by Rep Devin Nunes, former chair, now ranking minority member, of the House Intel Committee — a report subsequently proven factually correct about the deceit surrounding RussiaGate — and a fervent supporter of Adam’s Schiff’s dishonest and factually erroneous minority report. He is one of the most active contributors to the Lawfare blog.

The appointment of Mr. Kris has provoked vehement objections for these obvious reasons, yet who and where is the authority to adjudicate it? Apparently in Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who is the only person with any supervisory role over the FISA court. Maybe someone should ask Justice Roberts how this appointment can possibly stand.


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  1. fineline January 13, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    Then bring in the witnesses that the House wants to hear from. A House subpoena should not be challengeable in the Judiciary. If the House was allowed to do the job that they were elected to do, this would already be over.

    • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 10:21 am #

      Do you have any concept of what is going on? Even in the slightest?

      • fineline January 13, 2020 at 10:28 am #

        You assume you know something I dont? Are you that arrogant?

        • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:05 am #

          Yes.

          • WayfaringStranger January 13, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

            Stay arrogant, my friend. That Fineline was moved to even comment as they did makes the situation self-evident, but it never hurts to ask. I suspect Fine may even be a graduate of the Whoopi Goldberg School of Constitutional Law.

          • fineline January 13, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

            Dont you want to hear what Bolton has to say? or are you satisfied to create your own reality?

          • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

            Feel free to post concrete evidence of a POTUS crime.

            We have been waiting for some 20 threads now.

            Perhaps you can come through where a team of 20 Lawfare & co. lawyers working for over 2 years failed.

            Don’t be shy now.

          • fineline January 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

            Nightowl, You are an arrogant know it all by your own confession, so I think even you will understand that any fair examination of concrete facts relies on truthful and forthcoming witnesses. We have not had that and reasonable logical people committed to a process have been attempting to hear from these witnesses.

            There are so many screaming about no due process when at the same time, they are doing everything they can to derail the process

            We have not heard from all of the witnesses, so I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions.

            Did I ever say Trump was guilty of anything? On the other hand, you have clearly exonerated him of anything that he may be guilty of. I simply seek a trial of the facts, all of the facts, not just those cherry picked by the cover uppers.

            Because there has been so much stonewalling by so many for so long, I think it is reasonable to say somebody is hiding something.

            so since you know everything, feel free to post any part of the Steele dossier that you know for a fact is not true.

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 2:14 am #

            List the crimes and post concrete evidence, you little fascist.

            I believe in the rule of law, and we are innocent until proven guilty.

            Post your hard, verifiable evidence for all to see.

          • fineline January 14, 2020 at 11:18 am #

            nightowl, if you believe in the rule of law, you noble”conservative”, then you must understand that evidence comes from witnesses. You, in typical a-hole fashion, keep calling on me to post “concrete” evidence. I have not said anybody is guilty. I have said, that we should hear all the witnesses before we reach any conclusions. Just so you know that is the evidence and it would be premature to post it before it is out. So far the cover-upperers have kept it suppressed.
            Obviously, your “Rules of Law” are that the right can do whatever it wants and by virtue of being on the right are always right and cannot possibly be guilty of anything, whereas if somebody whose views do not dovetail with yours should wake up in the morning, they must be guilty of something.

            JHK asks some compelling questions here and they should be answered. I just wish questions just as compelling concerning the impeachment also be answered.

            You have obviously drawn conclusions before anybody says anything.
            you obviously do not understand the difference between an impeachment and trial by Senate. The Senate is not a criminal trial. There are no criminal charges. There are no mandatory sentences. There is no jury selection. There is no arrest and/or criminal record. Impeachment is simply a method for removal from office for someone who has shown contempt for the constitution through various acts unbecoming a president such as treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. So why should there be an assumption of innocence? I would agree that he would have the right not to self incriminate.

            But forget all that. if I was Iran, I would go to the UN, however weakened the USA has made it and demand that Trump be turned over to the world court for trial for an assassination. he is still innocent until proven guilty there, also, but at least the facts could be tested in court.

            That is what we need to do her in the impeachment trial.

            Nightowl, does it make sense to stir up trouble all around the world leading us to the brink of war and then steal 7.3 billion from the military for a wall of dubious value?

            Why do you have such trouble with facts?

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 12:00 pm #

            I am a registered Green and moved to Europe (where I still reside) largely to get away from American life.

            I can’t be bothered to read the rest.

          • Majella January 14, 2020 at 4:07 pm #

            NO:

            “I can’t be bothered to read the rest.”

            That says it all.

            So, not only have you owned your towering arrogance, but you’ve now also disclosed your lack of respect for anyone whose views differ from yours.

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

            I have read them before. Like you Maj, he has claimed Trump is a criminal and has started a war.

            He, like you, provides no evidence whatsoever.

            He like you is low IQ.

          • benr January 14, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

            Nightowl
            January 14, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

            I have read them before. Like you Maj, he has claimed Trump is a criminal and has started a war.
            He, like you, provides no evidence whatsoever.
            He like you is low IQ.

            Wrong Majella is not low IQ not even a little she does how ever listen to a different propaganda stream with a penchant for not only being wrong or lacking in common sense but they also LIE straight to her face and people like her.

            What she has is a problem with discernment and point of view.

            When she says Trump is lying its because her view point is so iron clad and narrow she simply can’t see the reality that her side is even less honest then for lack of a better word our side.

          • Nightowl January 15, 2020 at 9:11 am #

            Yes benr, they lie to her face.

            And the results are spectacular. 🙂

        • MX Vet 57 January 14, 2020 at 9:47 pm #

          You’re a special kind of ignorant. You know that, right?

    • shotho January 13, 2020 at 10:27 am #

      Yes, witnesses and new evidence should be allowed in the Senate trial. This is a serious matter that will probably determine the future course of the government. Our rule of law demands that defense and prosecution make their best arguments possible under common law and this is a legal matter and not political. Democrats should be allowed to call any member of the Administration and otherwise that they consider necessary. Republicans should be allowed to procure all information pertinent to the relentless attacks on the President since before he was inaugurated and that includes a former president if necessary. There is no other way to move forward in governance that the country needs and demands.

      • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

        Yes, why the Reps don’t see this is beyond me. Although, as JHK pointed out last week, calling witnesses allows the Dems to surface all the materials dug up by Mueller. Maybe they don’t want that out there?

        • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:27 am #

          Mueller didn’t find any crimes so it is moot.

          • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

            So I thought. JHK from last week convinced me that there is forced testimony in Mueller that the Dems want to use, and testimony allows it.

          • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

            Yes, of course. The real crime wasn’t in the report.

            LOL.

          • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:31 am #

            Obviously, you are going by the Trump/Barr interpretation of the Mueller report.
            Mueller did not exonerate him. He said he could not indict because he is a president. I think Mueller chilled out

        • Epicur January 13, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          “Maybe they don’t want that out there?”

          There are no blameless saints in DC. They all know that if this thing goes critical and explodes into full public view the list of casualties will be long.

          At this time there are still enough citizens who believe that the Republic still breathes and these caitiffs (new word for me) who sit at the top of the heap are serving the public good, or at least seeking it, but the number of believers is waning.

          If the eyes of the people are opened to the chicanery in DC they will vote this lot of pigs out of the public trough and replace it with a new one – an occurrence of no importance to the nation, but of vast importance to the incumbents.

          • SoftStarLight January 14, 2020 at 1:27 am #

            Yes but what about all of those thousands upon thousands of unelected bureaucrats?

          • Majella January 14, 2020 at 4:13 pm #

            “Unelected bureaucrats”…

            SSL, these are ’employees’, the vast majority of whom operate within their agencies in a non-partisan way.

            What would you suggest? That EVERY functionary position within all governments – Federal, State & Local – be elected?

            How often? Biennially, like Congress?

            Would there be primaries for the proverbial Dog Catcher? Could the Dog Catcher be liable for impeachment if s/he was found to be taking back-handers from puppy-farmers?

          • SoftStarLight January 15, 2020 at 12:51 am #

            I’m not exactly sure what should be done about it immediately. However, everyone is partisan to one degree or another so I fail to see how these employees don’t bring some partisanship to their jobs. Plus politics generally is deeply divided and political parties are willing to use the system against one another. And so it is a problem when you have so many people in these agencies with agendas that conflict with the general welfare. What can you do, fire them? They’re HR too.

      • ellipsis January 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

        Trouble is, everyone inside the beltway knows that if they get to tugging on too many threads this thing would go to some very embarrassing (and incriminating) places before it’s through. Not likely to happen. Club membership has its rewards.

      • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:32 am #

        They already made their case. Even more amusing is that their own witnesses either had nothing or were forced to truthfully state that they had no knowledge of any crime whatsoever.

        The entire thing backfired.

        If there is to be a trial, it follows standard procedure. And the world gets to see all of the evidence Trump’s defense has at hand.

        Would make for more entertaining viewing that even Swallwell’s hallway fart.

        • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:33 am #

          I would love to see it. All witnesses, all of the time, where nobody can challenge a subpoena and truthful testimony is compelled. What a show that would be and God only knows where it would lead us. There are many with irons in this fire.

          • Nightowl January 16, 2020 at 6:15 am #

            You already had witnesses. And we found out that not only did they have no first-hand information regarding any crime, none of them said the Pres. committed a crime.

            Only the bumbling Mueller testimony was more amusing.

      • Soloview January 13, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

        A Senate impeachment trial is a quasi-judicial process. It is not a ‘legal matter’ as it has no prescribed procedural protocol to be followed. The presiding Chief Justice is a there for decoration purposes only. Rules and schedule are agreed on by case “managers”. In the absence of agreement, they are imposed by the Senate Majority (with the presiding justice’s nod). The last thing the country needs right now, (to an outside observer like myself), is outside pressures, and a factory churning out new pseudo-legal inventions. The House voted in articles of impeachment based on testimony and information available to it. The Senate trial should proceed to evaluate the case Nancy eventually sends and decide on its merit. Whether more witness testimony is required, is something the be decided by the Senate, and no-one else. The House had the option to petition the courts to rule on the committee’s subpoenas. Adam Schiff has not availed himself of it, and wrote up the articles anyways, with the idea of exerting max media pressure on the upper chamber to obtain the missing info on which to prosecute the House’s impeachment. Does this look like a process worthy of the Congress of the United States ?

        • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

          “Does this look like a process worthy of the Congress of the United States”

          Well, this Congress. Not the Congress of Clay or Rayburn or even Tip O’Neill.

      • MX Vet 57 January 14, 2020 at 9:50 pm #

        It’s not the Senates job to call witnesses! It’s the House’s job to to do that.

        It’s hard for me to wrap my brain around how ignorant some of you are.

        • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:35 am #

          The Senate does not see it that way. They, the jurors, think they can vote on calling witnesses.
          So do you think the House can call John Bolton at the Senate “trial”?

    • Beryl of Oyl January 13, 2020 at 11:40 am #

      If the House did the job it was elected to do, Nancy’s district wouldn’t have human waste all over the streets.

      • Jigplate January 13, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

        Nancy’s district has more problems now than shit piles in the the street. They now have DA chesa boudin implementing “restorative justice”. Can’t wait to see how that turns out

      • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

        Untrue. If the Feds obeyed the constitution, there’d be no concern in DC about local matters. The House would not affect it either way.

    • lbs January 13, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

      If the House were not in the hands of fascists like Adam Schiff, this would all be over.

      • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:38 am #

        The House is in control of the people of this country despite the gerrymandering efforts to suppress the true voice of the American people.

    • devon44 January 14, 2020 at 5:26 am #

      Fineline, I’m pretty sure you’ve committed a crime. I don’t know what it is, nor do I have evidence of anything. But I just want to put you on trial for as long as it takes for me to find a crime… err, I mean, review all the witnesses and evidence… for as long as it needs to go in. What’s so wrong with that?

      Oh, and say that whole paragraph in the most patronizing, honeyed voice you can muster.

      • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

        Over his head, I suspect.

      • fineline January 15, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

        Devon-44 Please proceed. But don’t equate that with what the House is doing. They have defined the charges. Obstruction of Congress and abuse of power by attempting to use a foreign country to influence an election sor the benefit of Trump.

        To this point Trump has not been on trial and if he has a fair one, it should not take long to wrap this up.

        Nightowl, how would you ever know what is over my head? you have never been there?

        I can see you have been out of ammo for awhile. you are calling me names like little fascist and then questioning my IQ. Do you know what famous dumbass you sound like?

        • Nightowl January 16, 2020 at 6:17 am #

          I know based on the fact that everytime I ask you to substantiate your claims with evidence, you fail.

          Then you return and do it again.

          • fineline January 16, 2020 at 11:12 am #

            I know you dont know evidence when you see it. I know that you dont want to see it and whatever is offered you will simply say it is not evidence and that is a fact. What claims have I made by the way?

            The point I have been implying, that you just don’t seem to get is that there has been suppression of the evidence. You are deliberately obtuse.

            Why don’t you review the 40 hours of House testimony? Listen to what Parnas is saying. Look at all of the convictions and indictments surrounding the Trump administration.

            Are we to believe all of this happened to his benefit while he was in church?

            If you want to believe Trump you must believe obvious lies. But this is America. you are free to “believe” anything you want whether it is true or not. you are free to reject the truth and live a lie.

            Trump claims Obama was born in Kenya and does not offer any proof. He claims he has bone spurs and doent offer any proof. Why the sudden clamor for evidence?

            And why dont you substantiate some of your claims once in awhile.

  2. BackRowHeckler January 13, 2020 at 10:21 am #

    Phew!

    This goes deep, deep into the dark heart of the beast.

    • Epicur January 13, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      If it were just a single beast the solution would be simple, but this is a problem that emerges from men in groups acting in accord.

      “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
      Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      • WayfaringStranger January 13, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

        There is a rather ancient theory that there is one centralized source-beast. And the theory further goes on that Men in Groups acting in accord are pre-disposed to find affinity with this beast, and IT with them. Once people in large numbers start moving as one, appearing almost invisibly and impossibly coordinated then any society has a serious, serious problem, and it never ends well.
        That situation is anything but simple. And the lack of “solution” is as old as humanity itself.
        Maybe Heckler was hinting at something like that. Now go read Lord of the Flies, or your Bible. Both would be good.

        • SoftStarLight January 14, 2020 at 1:24 am #

          I would imagine its probably a bit of both. We all have the capacity for good and evil. It’s the same for groups too. The will is where its at IMHO.

  3. ellipsis January 13, 2020 at 10:32 am #

    Roberts has proven to be a steadfast non-interventionist in all things even remotely political, so I wouldn’t expect any relief from him.

    But all of this comes down to George Carlin’s Big Club thing. It’s a Big Club, and we, and apparently Trump, ain’t in it. Don’t expect any meaningful change for the better to come from any of this.

    • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 10:35 am #

      Don’t expect activism from Roberts. Maybe Kavanaugh is annoyed enough at his treatment, like Clarence Thomas, to stab at the left from hell’s heart.

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  1. fineline January 13, 2020 at 10:15 am #

    Then bring in the witnesses that the House wants to hear from. A House subpoena should not be challengeable in the Judiciary. If the House was allowed to do the job that they were elected to do, this would already be over.

    • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 10:21 am #

      Do you have any concept of what is going on? Even in the slightest?

      • fineline January 13, 2020 at 10:28 am #

        You assume you know something I dont? Are you that arrogant?

        • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:05 am #

          Yes.

          • WayfaringStranger January 13, 2020 at 12:42 pm #

            Stay arrogant, my friend. That Fineline was moved to even comment as they did makes the situation self-evident, but it never hurts to ask. I suspect Fine may even be a graduate of the Whoopi Goldberg School of Constitutional Law.

          • fineline January 13, 2020 at 1:55 pm #

            Dont you want to hear what Bolton has to say? or are you satisfied to create your own reality?

          • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 3:18 pm #

            Feel free to post concrete evidence of a POTUS crime.

            We have been waiting for some 20 threads now.

            Perhaps you can come through where a team of 20 Lawfare & co. lawyers working for over 2 years failed.

            Don’t be shy now.

          • fineline January 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm #

            Nightowl, You are an arrogant know it all by your own confession, so I think even you will understand that any fair examination of concrete facts relies on truthful and forthcoming witnesses. We have not had that and reasonable logical people committed to a process have been attempting to hear from these witnesses.

            There are so many screaming about no due process when at the same time, they are doing everything they can to derail the process

            We have not heard from all of the witnesses, so I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions.

            Did I ever say Trump was guilty of anything? On the other hand, you have clearly exonerated him of anything that he may be guilty of. I simply seek a trial of the facts, all of the facts, not just those cherry picked by the cover uppers.

            Because there has been so much stonewalling by so many for so long, I think it is reasonable to say somebody is hiding something.

            so since you know everything, feel free to post any part of the Steele dossier that you know for a fact is not true.

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 2:14 am #

            List the crimes and post concrete evidence, you little fascist.

            I believe in the rule of law, and we are innocent until proven guilty.

            Post your hard, verifiable evidence for all to see.

          • fineline January 14, 2020 at 11:18 am #

            nightowl, if you believe in the rule of law, you noble”conservative”, then you must understand that evidence comes from witnesses. You, in typical a-hole fashion, keep calling on me to post “concrete” evidence. I have not said anybody is guilty. I have said, that we should hear all the witnesses before we reach any conclusions. Just so you know that is the evidence and it would be premature to post it before it is out. So far the cover-upperers have kept it suppressed.
            Obviously, your “Rules of Law” are that the right can do whatever it wants and by virtue of being on the right are always right and cannot possibly be guilty of anything, whereas if somebody whose views do not dovetail with yours should wake up in the morning, they must be guilty of something.

            JHK asks some compelling questions here and they should be answered. I just wish questions just as compelling concerning the impeachment also be answered.

            You have obviously drawn conclusions before anybody says anything.
            you obviously do not understand the difference between an impeachment and trial by Senate. The Senate is not a criminal trial. There are no criminal charges. There are no mandatory sentences. There is no jury selection. There is no arrest and/or criminal record. Impeachment is simply a method for removal from office for someone who has shown contempt for the constitution through various acts unbecoming a president such as treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. So why should there be an assumption of innocence? I would agree that he would have the right not to self incriminate.

            But forget all that. if I was Iran, I would go to the UN, however weakened the USA has made it and demand that Trump be turned over to the world court for trial for an assassination. he is still innocent until proven guilty there, also, but at least the facts could be tested in court.

            That is what we need to do her in the impeachment trial.

            Nightowl, does it make sense to stir up trouble all around the world leading us to the brink of war and then steal 7.3 billion from the military for a wall of dubious value?

            Why do you have such trouble with facts?

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 12:00 pm #

            I am a registered Green and moved to Europe (where I still reside) largely to get away from American life.

            I can’t be bothered to read the rest.

          • Majella January 14, 2020 at 4:07 pm #

            NO:

            “I can’t be bothered to read the rest.”

            That says it all.

            So, not only have you owned your towering arrogance, but you’ve now also disclosed your lack of respect for anyone whose views differ from yours.

          • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

            I have read them before. Like you Maj, he has claimed Trump is a criminal and has started a war.

            He, like you, provides no evidence whatsoever.

            He like you is low IQ.

          • benr January 14, 2020 at 7:28 pm #

            Nightowl
            January 14, 2020 at 5:04 pm #

            I have read them before. Like you Maj, he has claimed Trump is a criminal and has started a war.
            He, like you, provides no evidence whatsoever.
            He like you is low IQ.

            Wrong Majella is not low IQ not even a little she does how ever listen to a different propaganda stream with a penchant for not only being wrong or lacking in common sense but they also LIE straight to her face and people like her.

            What she has is a problem with discernment and point of view.

            When she says Trump is lying its because her view point is so iron clad and narrow she simply can’t see the reality that her side is even less honest then for lack of a better word our side.

          • Nightowl January 15, 2020 at 9:11 am #

            Yes benr, they lie to her face.

            And the results are spectacular. 🙂

        • MX Vet 57 January 14, 2020 at 9:47 pm #

          You’re a special kind of ignorant. You know that, right?

    • shotho January 13, 2020 at 10:27 am #

      Yes, witnesses and new evidence should be allowed in the Senate trial. This is a serious matter that will probably determine the future course of the government. Our rule of law demands that defense and prosecution make their best arguments possible under common law and this is a legal matter and not political. Democrats should be allowed to call any member of the Administration and otherwise that they consider necessary. Republicans should be allowed to procure all information pertinent to the relentless attacks on the President since before he was inaugurated and that includes a former president if necessary. There is no other way to move forward in governance that the country needs and demands.

      • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

        Yes, why the Reps don’t see this is beyond me. Although, as JHK pointed out last week, calling witnesses allows the Dems to surface all the materials dug up by Mueller. Maybe they don’t want that out there?

        • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:27 am #

          Mueller didn’t find any crimes so it is moot.

          • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:17 pm #

            So I thought. JHK from last week convinced me that there is forced testimony in Mueller that the Dems want to use, and testimony allows it.

          • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 3:20 pm #

            Yes, of course. The real crime wasn’t in the report.

            LOL.

          • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:31 am #

            Obviously, you are going by the Trump/Barr interpretation of the Mueller report.
            Mueller did not exonerate him. He said he could not indict because he is a president. I think Mueller chilled out

        • Epicur January 13, 2020 at 12:14 pm #

          “Maybe they don’t want that out there?”

          There are no blameless saints in DC. They all know that if this thing goes critical and explodes into full public view the list of casualties will be long.

          At this time there are still enough citizens who believe that the Republic still breathes and these caitiffs (new word for me) who sit at the top of the heap are serving the public good, or at least seeking it, but the number of believers is waning.

          If the eyes of the people are opened to the chicanery in DC they will vote this lot of pigs out of the public trough and replace it with a new one – an occurrence of no importance to the nation, but of vast importance to the incumbents.

          • SoftStarLight January 14, 2020 at 1:27 am #

            Yes but what about all of those thousands upon thousands of unelected bureaucrats?

          • Majella January 14, 2020 at 4:13 pm #

            “Unelected bureaucrats”…

            SSL, these are ’employees’, the vast majority of whom operate within their agencies in a non-partisan way.

            What would you suggest? That EVERY functionary position within all governments – Federal, State & Local – be elected?

            How often? Biennially, like Congress?

            Would there be primaries for the proverbial Dog Catcher? Could the Dog Catcher be liable for impeachment if s/he was found to be taking back-handers from puppy-farmers?

          • SoftStarLight January 15, 2020 at 12:51 am #

            I’m not exactly sure what should be done about it immediately. However, everyone is partisan to one degree or another so I fail to see how these employees don’t bring some partisanship to their jobs. Plus politics generally is deeply divided and political parties are willing to use the system against one another. And so it is a problem when you have so many people in these agencies with agendas that conflict with the general welfare. What can you do, fire them? They’re HR too.

      • ellipsis January 13, 2020 at 10:37 am #

        Trouble is, everyone inside the beltway knows that if they get to tugging on too many threads this thing would go to some very embarrassing (and incriminating) places before it’s through. Not likely to happen. Club membership has its rewards.

      • Nightowl January 13, 2020 at 11:32 am #

        They already made their case. Even more amusing is that their own witnesses either had nothing or were forced to truthfully state that they had no knowledge of any crime whatsoever.

        The entire thing backfired.

        If there is to be a trial, it follows standard procedure. And the world gets to see all of the evidence Trump’s defense has at hand.

        Would make for more entertaining viewing that even Swallwell’s hallway fart.

        • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:33 am #

          I would love to see it. All witnesses, all of the time, where nobody can challenge a subpoena and truthful testimony is compelled. What a show that would be and God only knows where it would lead us. There are many with irons in this fire.

          • Nightowl January 16, 2020 at 6:15 am #

            You already had witnesses. And we found out that not only did they have no first-hand information regarding any crime, none of them said the Pres. committed a crime.

            Only the bumbling Mueller testimony was more amusing.

      • Soloview January 13, 2020 at 1:22 pm #

        A Senate impeachment trial is a quasi-judicial process. It is not a ‘legal matter’ as it has no prescribed procedural protocol to be followed. The presiding Chief Justice is a there for decoration purposes only. Rules and schedule are agreed on by case “managers”. In the absence of agreement, they are imposed by the Senate Majority (with the presiding justice’s nod). The last thing the country needs right now, (to an outside observer like myself), is outside pressures, and a factory churning out new pseudo-legal inventions. The House voted in articles of impeachment based on testimony and information available to it. The Senate trial should proceed to evaluate the case Nancy eventually sends and decide on its merit. Whether more witness testimony is required, is something the be decided by the Senate, and no-one else. The House had the option to petition the courts to rule on the committee’s subpoenas. Adam Schiff has not availed himself of it, and wrote up the articles anyways, with the idea of exerting max media pressure on the upper chamber to obtain the missing info on which to prosecute the House’s impeachment. Does this look like a process worthy of the Congress of the United States ?

        • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:19 pm #

          “Does this look like a process worthy of the Congress of the United States”

          Well, this Congress. Not the Congress of Clay or Rayburn or even Tip O’Neill.

      • MX Vet 57 January 14, 2020 at 9:50 pm #

        It’s not the Senates job to call witnesses! It’s the House’s job to to do that.

        It’s hard for me to wrap my brain around how ignorant some of you are.

        • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:35 am #

          The Senate does not see it that way. They, the jurors, think they can vote on calling witnesses.
          So do you think the House can call John Bolton at the Senate “trial”?

    • Beryl of Oyl January 13, 2020 at 11:40 am #

      If the House did the job it was elected to do, Nancy’s district wouldn’t have human waste all over the streets.

      • Jigplate January 13, 2020 at 12:34 pm #

        Nancy’s district has more problems now than shit piles in the the street. They now have DA chesa boudin implementing “restorative justice”. Can’t wait to see how that turns out

      • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 2:20 pm #

        Untrue. If the Feds obeyed the constitution, there’d be no concern in DC about local matters. The House would not affect it either way.

    • lbs January 13, 2020 at 1:17 pm #

      If the House were not in the hands of fascists like Adam Schiff, this would all be over.

      • fineline January 15, 2020 at 11:38 am #

        The House is in control of the people of this country despite the gerrymandering efforts to suppress the true voice of the American people.

    • devon44 January 14, 2020 at 5:26 am #

      Fineline, I’m pretty sure you’ve committed a crime. I don’t know what it is, nor do I have evidence of anything. But I just want to put you on trial for as long as it takes for me to find a crime… err, I mean, review all the witnesses and evidence… for as long as it needs to go in. What’s so wrong with that?

      Oh, and say that whole paragraph in the most patronizing, honeyed voice you can muster.

      • Nightowl January 14, 2020 at 5:08 pm #

        Over his head, I suspect.

      • fineline January 15, 2020 at 4:14 pm #

        Devon-44 Please proceed. But don’t equate that with what the House is doing. They have defined the charges. Obstruction of Congress and abuse of power by attempting to use a foreign country to influence an election sor the benefit of Trump.

        To this point Trump has not been on trial and if he has a fair one, it should not take long to wrap this up.

        Nightowl, how would you ever know what is over my head? you have never been there?

        I can see you have been out of ammo for awhile. you are calling me names like little fascist and then questioning my IQ. Do you know what famous dumbass you sound like?

        • Nightowl January 16, 2020 at 6:17 am #

          I know based on the fact that everytime I ask you to substantiate your claims with evidence, you fail.

          Then you return and do it again.

          • fineline January 16, 2020 at 11:12 am #

            I know you dont know evidence when you see it. I know that you dont want to see it and whatever is offered you will simply say it is not evidence and that is a fact. What claims have I made by the way?

            The point I have been implying, that you just don’t seem to get is that there has been suppression of the evidence. You are deliberately obtuse.

            Why don’t you review the 40 hours of House testimony? Listen to what Parnas is saying. Look at all of the convictions and indictments surrounding the Trump administration.

            Are we to believe all of this happened to his benefit while he was in church?

            If you want to believe Trump you must believe obvious lies. But this is America. you are free to “believe” anything you want whether it is true or not. you are free to reject the truth and live a lie.

            Trump claims Obama was born in Kenya and does not offer any proof. He claims he has bone spurs and doent offer any proof. Why the sudden clamor for evidence?

            And why dont you substantiate some of your claims once in awhile.

  2. BackRowHeckler January 13, 2020 at 10:21 am #

    Phew!

    This goes deep, deep into the dark heart of the beast.

    • Epicur January 13, 2020 at 12:25 pm #

      If it were just a single beast the solution would be simple, but this is a problem that emerges from men in groups acting in accord.

      “If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
      Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      • WayfaringStranger January 13, 2020 at 12:54 pm #

        There is a rather ancient theory that there is one centralized source-beast. And the theory further goes on that Men in Groups acting in accord are pre-disposed to find affinity with this beast, and IT with them. Once people in large numbers start moving as one, appearing almost invisibly and impossibly coordinated then any society has a serious, serious problem, and it never ends well.
        That situation is anything but simple. And the lack of “solution” is as old as humanity itself.
        Maybe Heckler was hinting at something like that. Now go read Lord of the Flies, or your Bible. Both would be good.

        • SoftStarLight January 14, 2020 at 1:24 am #

          I would imagine its probably a bit of both. We all have the capacity for good and evil. It’s the same for groups too. The will is where its at IMHO.

  3. ellipsis January 13, 2020 at 10:32 am #

    Roberts has proven to be a steadfast non-interventionist in all things even remotely political, so I wouldn’t expect any relief from him.

    But all of this comes down to George Carlin’s Big Club thing. It’s a Big Club, and we, and apparently Trump, ain’t in it. Don’t expect any meaningful change for the better to come from any of this.

    • DrTomSchmidt January 13, 2020 at 10:35 am #

      Don’t expect activism from Roberts. Maybe Kavanaugh is annoyed enough at his treatment, like Clarence Thomas, to stab at the left from hell’s heart.

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