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As If Nothing Matters

     The world gave the appearance of doing nothing and going nowhere over the past month – apart from the sensational liaison of Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, which, some believe, augurs a dazzling speed-up of the much prayed-for economic recovery, return to full employment, $2.50 gasoline by summer, and the selection of Jesus Christ as VP running mate by Mitt Romney – but, in fact, so much trouble is roiling under the surface all over the world that it makes you feel seasick on dry land.
    It is true that the European financial fiasco is a story of such fantastic mystifying complexity that the public can’t possibly be expected to follow each twist of the plotline. But the fact is that nothing was fixed for Greece or after Greece and the hazard of evermore profound wreckage is assured. The only question is how many months before the appearance of normality in financial matters yields to fighting in the streets of supposedly civilized countries.
      Spain, it was revealed this week, has turned to a form of finance that could only have been designed by M.C. Escher.
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      The plan for stabilizing Spain’s hemorrhaging insolvency position works as follows: Spain’s big banks borrow billions from the European Central Bank (ECB); the Spanish banks then turn around and lend the Spanish government the money to fund a bailout operation for the Spanish banks; the Spanish banks then use the bailout money to buy Spanish sovereign bonds, that is, lend money to the government. The world received news of this dangerous idiocy with a yawn. You’d at least expect a few Germans to choke on a bratwurst here and there. 
      The idea that shenanigans like this can continue must amuse the historians looking on. But three weeks into April so far nothing has penetrated the stupendous wall of illusion that separates money matters from reality like the one-way mirror in the interrogation chamber of a police precinct where every last officer of the law is on the take.
     The lesson in the first quarter of 2012 is that when anything goes, nothing matters. Jon Corzine, chief of the fraudster operation MF Global is still at large how many months after his firm pulled an abracadabra disappearing act on $1.2 billion of segregated customer accounts, many belonging to farmers and ranchers engaged in the normal options trade in commodities prices necessary to their business? Nobody has been fired at the Chicago Mercantile exchange or the Commodities Futures Trading Commission for this, either. No newsman has asked President Obama about any of these things, or how come Jon Corzine is still listed by the re-election campaign as a continuing major contributor. The New York Times, for one, is much more focused on major bullshit propaganda operations, such as its recent giant spread on how America will soon be an energy independent oil exporting nation.
     No one in the American media is paying attention to the unfolding tragedy of Japan – and by this I refer not only to the unfinished Fukushima saga, but the parallel story of Japan closing down virtually its entire nuclear power industry necessitating gigantic additional imports of oil and gas to generate electric power – all of which points to the likelihood that Japan will become the first advanced industrial nation to bid sayonara to modernity and return to a neo-medieval socio-economic model of daily life.
      The Middle West and North Africa still smolder away like giant root fires. Nothing has been settled politically and the prospects are excellent that Islamic maniacs will shortly be in charge of Egypt and Libya, not to mention Syria, or even America’s trillion-dollar battleground of Afghanistan where, after ten years of persistent struggle, we can’t control either the terrain or the behavior of the people who dwell on it. Meanwhile, half of Sudan’s oil production was blown up over the weekend. And King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is not getting any younger at 88. Saudi spare oil capacity won’t matter so much when the kingdom is up in flames.
     What I wonder is how long the American public will remain in its Kardashian trance. At this torpid moment no one believes that any theoretical political cohort in this land – tea-partiers, swindled youth, professional lefties (or what’s left of them), or the fugitive thinking centrists (wherever they are) – might bestir themselves to bust up a nominating convention or march on one of many debauched institutions in the nation’s capital, from the SEC to the wax museum formally known as the Department of Justice. I think differently, though. I think this grim interval of crisis consolidation is drawing to a close and, like the buds swelling on every tree in New England, events will soon burst into astounding efflorescence. 
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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books including (non-fiction) The Geography of Nowhere, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, Home from Nowhere, The Long Emergency, and Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology and the Fate of the Nation. His novels include World Made By Hand, The Witch of Hebron, Maggie Darling — A Modern Romance, The Halloween Ball, an Embarrassment of Riches, and many others. He has published three novellas with Water Street Press: Manhattan Gothic, A Christmas Orphan, and The Flight of Mehetabel.

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  1. messianicdruid April 22, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    “You’d at least expect a few Germans to choke on a bratwurst here and there.”
    They will react soon enough.

  2. anti soak April 22, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    second!

  3. trippticket April 22, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    Activity consumes time. Productivity frees it.

  4. anti soak April 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    Anyone notice the rumbles at NR?
    Derbyshire fired.
    Heres a bit from Takis, the publisher of the offending peice by Derby:
    John Derbyshire, lately of National Review Online and currently a writer for Takimag.com, has stirred up a firestorm of protest with an allegedly “racist” article.
    Now myriads of conservatives (so-called) are posting, posing and posturing just like liberals in their rush to condemn him.I read Derbyshire’s comments and was not offended in the least. Basically, all he said was that whites and Asians should caution their children to avoid violence from blacks. Did he lie about anything? Distort the truth? No.
    Blacks are more violent than any other racial group, a fact supported by decades of crime statistics as well as recent events. I don’t like this terrible truth and would change it if I could; however, reality has a way of ignoring my wishes, even when they spring from enlightenment and tolerance.What Derbyshire was arguing for was what Dinesh D’Souza once described as “rational discrimination.”

  5. anti soak April 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

    So the USA is ‘active’ but Unproductive? Ala the Escher art illustrating this thread with people in a
    ‘Kardashian trance’.

  6. lpat April 22, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    Billions of dollars of arms sales, centuries of imperial rule, a military as large as the rest of the world’s combined–notwithstanding.
    What a f* maroon!

  7. jiuzhaigou April 22, 2012 at 10:34 pm #

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  8. rippedthunder April 22, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

    HUH?

  9. rippedthunder April 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    Ok, Ol’ JHK posted early this week. I’m takin’ book. I’ll give 2 to 1. The first “race” or “religious” spiel will be by Monday at 7 PM. Who’s in? I can accept Paypal.

  10. Vlad Krandz April 22, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    The old Roman dictum applies: Who will watch the Watchers? No one of course – if they are not trustworthy, all is lost.
    All is Lost. As the Bible says, “Except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it”.

  11. rippedthunder April 22, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    I knew that bare assed feather rain dance would work! Finally some gottdam dihydrogen oxide falls upon the blessed Northeast Kingdom! Praise the sky Gods!!!!

  12. rippedthunder April 22, 2012 at 11:19 pm #

    Hey VK, I don’t know where your at but around here myself and my friends are “Watchers” and “We” are trustworthy. Also when we build a house the labor is NOT in vain. Just sayin’! :o)

  13. anti soak April 22, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

    O NO! the clothing spams here already.
    Just got this:
    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The memo has gone out, the date has been saved.
    This coming Tuesday, radicals of all stripes will descend upon the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington D.C. to rally in support of convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.
    Organizers are hoping to speak with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder about why Mumia should be set free. They’re also planning acts of civil disobedience to draw media attention to their cause.
    Officially known as “Occupy the Justice Department,” the event is endorsed by the usual group of malcontents, including “Educators for Mumia Abu-Jamal” – a collection of left-wing teachers from across the country.
    Among Mumia’s many well-wishers in the K-12 community is Milwaukee Teachers’ Education Association President Bob Peterson, the entire Chicago Teachers Union, and the Rethinking Schools crew who produce anti-American lesson plans and teaching materials that are used in countless classrooms.

  14. anti soak April 22, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

    Not sure how my posts caused yrs. Care to inform me?

  15. Kyooshtik April 22, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    …this is a test:
    MIKA IS A HORSE’S ASS!!
    MIKA IS A HORSE’S ASS!!
    OK, everything seems to be working fine. Carry on.

  16. rippedthunder April 22, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    “Is an Ass not a Horse with only half a brain?”
    RT, Circa 2012.

  17. Kyooshtik April 22, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Praise the sky Gods!!!!
    =============
    My sentiments precisely Ripped. Did yardwork Thurs and Fri; soil was dry as a desert. Even the weeds were gasping for water. Spread some fertilizer Sat and voila!, heavy rain last night and persistent rain all day today. If only I could time “the Market” as well.

  18. rippedthunder April 23, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    Hey Q, We have “Meteoroligists” and we have “Stock Experts” on CNBC. I think their predictions are close. Last Halloween we were supposed to get 2-3″ of snow. We got 2 feet and no power for 10 days. It’s all good!

  19. asoka. April 23, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    You lose. The racial post had already been made by antisoak when you offered your bet.
    Sunday April 22, 2012 9:15 PM
    Blacks are more violent than any other racial group…

  20. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    In Jersey did Summer hit in February?

  21. asoka. April 23, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Hey, RT, did you finish those last six shifts? Are you officially retired? If so, congratulations, and enjoy it!

  22. Puzzler April 23, 2012 at 2:45 am #

    This weekend Egypt cut off the natural gas they supply to Israel, which amounts to 40% of Israel’s energy consumption.
    Any bets on when WWIII starts?

  23. Fritz88 April 23, 2012 at 4:07 am #

    The country needs to get back to God. if that means destroying the liberal scum that brought us down then so be it.

  24. Fritz88 April 23, 2012 at 4:09 am #

    Can’t be soon enough. Wars are purifying affairs, especially big wars. We aren’t going to right our moral ship until we cast off the immoral ballast.

  25. ofthehands.com April 23, 2012 at 5:05 am #

    I don’t know, Jim, I’m still of the mind that the election this year will go off with minimal hitches, proving itself much the similar disquieting spectacle as the last election and still funneling people into an either/or voting dichotomy in which we’ll receive a president insistent on continuing to kick the can down the road as long as possible.
    Of course, surprising things happen that can’t be foreseen in their exact detail and timing, even if they can be seen in generalities. 2008 was a fantastic example. I wouldn’t exactly find it shocking if 2012 provided another such example.
    I don’t know. The Cult of the Expert would have us believe that everything will ultimately be fine, that we’ll get back to a “normal” economic state given time and that we can trust those in power to lead our lives. I’m of the mind that we need to dismiss and disabuse ourselves of that cultish thinking and retake our lives into our own hands, to trust in our own knowledge and begin the process of remaking our own communities, without regard for what the experts tell us. If that should begin to truly happen in 2012, it will be a revolution to be remembered, indeed.
    Joel

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  27. newworld April 23, 2012 at 6:53 am #

    As for the weekly comments on Christ, you few progressives for whatever singular cause you might champion might want to examine the mote in your eye first.
    Obama as Christ is a common enough metaphor that if a poor artist as some chap named Antuanno can paint him as the crucified one with the presidential seal for a background then you might want to seek psychological help for your own Christ fixations.
    Just trying to help.

  28. kulturcritic* April 23, 2012 at 8:02 am #

    Very little does matter now, James… KulturCritic
    http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/killing-the-natives-the-ecology-of-systematic-extinction/

  29. bubbleheadMarc April 23, 2012 at 8:14 am #

    After reading Jim’s new post went downstairs to get a cup of coffee and was treated to an infomericial on the Brazilian Butt Lift! So long as half the population remains more concerned with the shape of their buttocks than the fate of civilization and even the planet there can be no hope.

  30. Leibowitz Society April 23, 2012 at 8:20 am #

    The world needs a new term for the mess that it’s in. Collapse doesn’t seem right, because we’re still in the process. Maybe icebergitization? When we saw the iceberg, hit it, but the ship hasn’t sunk yet. Either way, we’re on the precipice of a new dark age, and instead of clawing our way back out, we’re letting go sliding in, a little at a time.
    Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com for information and discussion about our oncoming new Dark Age.

  31. ozone April 23, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    Concisely and correctly stated, RT. That is how “it’s done” in these parts, and why we’re a bit suspicious of bozos and reptilian provocateurs. (They don’t make things that are lasting and useful.)

  32. ozone April 23, 2012 at 8:48 am #

    The storm has stalled out and is now busy dumping snow in Buffalo. I think we’ll retain high enough temps here to keep that short-lived, should it decide to give us a Christmas-y late April. ;o)
    Round 2 soon. Good deal, the ground is now ready to soak up that dangerous compound of H2O.
    Hey, off of the Big Clock? Time to expand your brewing operations. Thirsty folk everywhere salute you!
    (And some fuckwit mentioned a cleansing war and morality in the same post. Whew! Keep the shootin’ irons right handy; it’s gonna get freaky.)

  33. jeff z April 23, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    The trees in Minnesota are about to, or already have, burst into efflorescence. Trees will still flower and tomatoes will sprout no matter what the global economic system does.
    http//:eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com

  34. jeff z April 23, 2012 at 8:58 am #

    I meant http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com actually

  35. ddu April 23, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    At last, a term that aptly describes distracted oblivion: a Kardashian trance. It sounds appropriately alien (“Look out, Spock! She’s in a Kardashian trance! Set phasers to stun!!”). Best wishes.

  36. ozone April 23, 2012 at 9:11 am #

    JHK sez:
    “I think this grim interval of crisis consolidation is drawing to a close and, like the buds swelling on every tree in New England, events will soon burst into astounding efflorescence.”
    That might be more prophetic than I’m now willing to entertain, but it’s probably because I’d rather not see the shit-storm work itself up to hurricane force.
    I suppose I have to keep in mind the direction of deep ‘Murkin economic “thinking”. That is, everybody likes sumpthin’ fer nuthin’, but they shorely get miffed when it becomes USURY and FRAUD fer sumpthin’. (That old erosion of the buying power of the currency; you know, that stuff that folks buy food, shelter and [dwindling] energy with.)
    So, if that nickel-rubbing should get squeakier, there is no telling which demagogue[s] might be egging on the mobs, or if the populace will simply retreat from a militarized kleptocracy as far as they possibly can. I certainly don’t see anything “good” (other than the possibility of a general “awakening”) in the near future. Perhaps it makes no nevermind anyhoo, (as BJ and BHM feel) the pooch has already been screw’t and the exponential feedback loops are well and truly in motion.
    It appears you’re generally an optimist, and I might lean more to that attitude if I saw some honestly by our “leaders”. That’s sadly lacking.
    Sayonara bitches, our reach indeed exceeded our grasp…

  37. Desertrat April 23, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    I’ve been calling this kerfuffle a “slow-motion train wreck” for several years. The issue isn’t what will happen; it’s WHEN it will happen. That, I don’t know. Nobody else does, either.
    I’d just as soon not rush into disaster, however. TPTB will keep kicking the can down the road for as long as they can, and that enables a certain amount of serenity in the meantime.
    Large-scale violence is not something to which I look forward. I saw enough of the aftermath, sixty years ago.

  38. Smokyjoe April 23, 2012 at 9:14 am #

    Kim Kardashian’s amazing bottom induces trances in the sternest of men.
    She’d make Spock go into this Vulcan mating-rut (whatever the hell it was called…some Trekker help me out here).
    Wear a brave face in this summer of discontent. And watch out for Kim’s butt.
    Nth!

  39. K April 23, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    My sense is that the majority will simply chose to forget about the national scene altogether rather than get upset with it. And that great choice, resulting in an empty shell of a national government, will be the revolution. As for life at the ashram, we planted the tomatoes last week and couldn’t care the least for what happens in distant dark places like Wall St. and DC.
    http://www.Thesisa.org/

  40. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:25 am #

    like the buds swelling on every tree in New England, events will soon burst into astounding efflorescence.

    No no no its more like this.
    “Feeling like a dead duck — spitting out pieces of his broken luck. … last breaths with deep-sea-diver sounds, and the flowers bloom like madness in the spring.” — Aqualung
    We are the dead ducks. Jon Corzine and all the fraudsters are the flowers blooming like madness in the spring. With every financial trick the Powers That Be transfer more of the debt to the common dog. With every turn of the wheel currencies buy less and the common dog is poorer even if the the dollars they have stay the same.
    Meanwhile those who have too much get more and as their vital needs are only a tiny sliver of what they have. They feel nothing else but a self satisfaction that they have duped the public once again.
    The grim interval of crisis consolidation is far from being at an end. Nobody cares and the big screen Kardashian trance continues. Meanwhile the gap between those who have and those who delude themselves into thinking they might actually have something someday too grows wider and wider.
    Another turn of the screw.

  41. networker April 23, 2012 at 9:30 am #

    I see the low level of discourse in comments here has continued to disintegrate. I clearly haven’t missed a single thing this past year.

  42. budizwiser April 23, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Thanks JK – I really needed a friendly rant to help me reach mental stability after weeks of non-stop “terra-trayvon” press.
    And yes – the current “non-state-of-affairs” IS something for historians to muse over.
    How can any culture with so much information regarding the wrong-doing and skullduggery of it’s “leadership” remain so stupefied by what appears to be nothing more than sophomoric patter of it’s childish and mainly moronic media outlets?
    And perhaps you are right about Japan or Africa or more importantly religious zealots. Maybe only acts of suicide as group-homicide and horrendous unimaginable disasters of a national scope will be the “poke in the eye” to wake the comatose population of the United States.
    As if nothing mattered – in deed.

  43. empirestatebuilding April 23, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    The Real Housewives of New Jersey premiered last night. What is there to worry about?
    I for one plan on going down with the ship. I may be going to hell in a bucket baby, but at least I’m enjoying the ride.
    Aimlow Joe was here
    http://www.aimlow.com

  44. ozone April 23, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    ^honestY

  45. ozone April 23, 2012 at 9:44 am #

    At last, a term that aptly describes distracted oblivion: a Kardashian trance. -DDU
    I agree; another patented Kunstlerism strikes to the heart of the HFCS, teevee infotainment, ass-smoke-blowing complex! ;o)

  46. Al Klein April 23, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    We are all living in never-never land. Now I get it! Adopt Zen thinking! You want those derivatives to actually be worth something? Poof! They ARE worth something. Boy are we ever screwed.

  47. chomskyite April 23, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    All’s quiet on the western front. It’s very creepy and eerie to be in the middle of history, knowing what is about to happen, but being powerless to do anything, or even tell anyone save a few close weirdos like ourselves. But alas that is the life we choose or has been chosen for us. Spring is in the air and there is food to plant, energy to cut, split and stack. Water to store, life to live.

  48. bearfoot April 23, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    too bad you “watchers” can’t do anything about what you see!

  49. Neon Vincent April 23, 2012 at 10:04 am #

    Jim,
    Looks like the basics have remained the same since the filming of “The End of Suburbia” almost a decade ago. All that has changed is the names of the celebrities that those in charge of maintaining the Consensus Trance are using to distract the American public. Honestly, I think the substitution of the Kardashians for J-Lo is a big step down. At least J-Lo can sing and sometimes act. I don’t know what the Kardashians are good at, other than being famous for being rich and famous. Even Paris Hilton can do a little bit better than that.
    Speaking of “The End of Suburbia,” I’m showing that to my geology class tonight. After I finished my lectures a session early with an examination of the relationships between energy and the economy, I gave my students their choice of which of three films, “An Inconvenient Truth,” “Rainbow of Stone” (a film about the Grand Canyon), or “The End of Suburbia,” they could watch tonight for extra credit. The students who had taken my Environmental Science class unanimously asked to see “The End of Suburbia” again. I think they want to scare the crap out of everyone else.
    Over at Crazy Eddie’s Motie News, I summarized the reactions of my students to “The End of Suburbia” during the past three years that I’ve shown the film and posted the worksheet that I assign to my Environmental Science students. Surf over there to see how well you do. I’ll post the answers once the semester is over. Some of my students read my blog, so I don’t want to give them an unfair advantage.
    Other topics I covered included a survey of stories from universities celebrating Earth Day, Ted Nugent as a stochastic terrorist, urban farming in Detroit, the death of Dick Clark, the arrival of space shuttle Discovery in Washington DC and what that means for manned space flight, and a contrarian rant about Tax Day (we are actually paying too little, not too much). Like all the rest of the posts this month, I conclude each one with a music video. Sing along with Mitch (or Kriscan, as the case may be), baby!
    http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

  50. ozone April 23, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    I just ordered a tuning hammer for the piano; mebbe I have spasms of short-term hopes?

  51. bearfoot April 23, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    get your own blablablog!

  52. Topher April 23, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    “Pon-Farr”, I believe.
    Also, it would seem that the stupefaction aspect of the Cardassian Girls is on purpose. Bread and circuses, and all that. (The observant will see what I did there.) What ends up happening is a sort of infotainment-fatigue. There’s only so much we can deal with; best to gather with one’s close neighbors and friends and hope to ride out the storm, much like our hurricanes.

  53. Dirk April 23, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    I agree there, LS. I’ve struggled with just WHAT to call what we are experiencing; first pass led me to accept the generally acknowledged ‘collapse’ analogy, but it does not quite do it, does it? Collapse would indicate a fall from some higher energy level to a lower form; think of gravitational potential energy, for example. But in the case of the economy, I see what is happening as more a form of ‘sublimation'; going from a solid state directly to a gaseous state without first passing through the liquid phase at a rate that is largely driven by the vapor pressure of the substance and the absolute pressure in the system; the lower the pressure the faster the rate. (think of ice cubes in your freezer that mysteriously disappear or ‘sublimate’ directly from a solid to a gas without melting first. Therefore, in my view, the economy, or what we have always thought of as such, is sublimating into the void from which it will never reconstitute into its former state. We all get to stand around and watch the proverbial ‘ice’ (economy…growth…recovery, etc.) vanish before our eyes despite every attempt by the bean-counters to avert it. In fact, all the bean-counters have done with all the QE’s and shifty maneuver’s is increase the pressure, temporarily slowing the rate of sublimation. But it takes tremendous inputs of energy to maintain the increased pressure; we are now running on empty, pressure in the system is rapidly falling and the entire mess is going….POOF!

  54. ozone April 23, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Just had an omelet with asparagus from the garden. Wow, I’m now confining my absurd hopes to having a bunch more of that for the season. Dreamin’ BIG… :o)

  55. asoka. April 23, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    networker, this week is an aberration. Usually they level is much higher. But this week we have a simple contract dispute that is supposed to lead to World War III. sigh.

  56. csafarmer April 23, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    The lack of reaction is not that surprising, those that ‘get it’ are preparing as best they can i.e. ‘beans, bullets, band-aids’, and the rest are paralyzed by media/trivia overload. No one in the first camp expects the PTB to come up with solutions, as by and large they ARE the problem.
    No one in the second camp can visualize a dramatically different state of a affairs, wherein their god-given right to drive their yard-wide asses in Stupidly Useless Vehicles to Mickey D’s is curtailed.
    Look upon it as evolution in action, the easily-bedazzled are goner’s, and the average IQ of the human race will get a boost.

  57. lsjogren April 23, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    That escher sketch was a great choice for a graphic depiction of what Europe is doing financially.
    I guess I should give our country credit for not being self-contradictory in its fiscal/monetary policies. We spend more than we have, the Fed prints up more paper to fund it and hold interest rates down to near zero so that the interest on the ever-spiraling debt does not become a burden. Eventually the monetary expansion leads to chronic price inflation and wage deflation, lowering the standard of living to a more sustainable level. What’s even better is that when the government-sponsored economic downsizing of the United States is running full throttle, the politicians can blame their favorite scapegoats, and they won’t even be lying because they have no clue they are the ones driving the economic devolution.

  58. topcog April 23, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    TSA orders 450 million rounds of illegal ammo, Monsanto buys the beehive, Michigan DNR is shooting hogs of all ages, Calif is waging war against raw milk, super-pacs own the coming elections. I would suggest rechambering your firestick to handle those 450 million, quietly. Then wait for the guvmint to try and confiscate your tomato/potato crop, and the pigs into compost. With the TSA also conducting impromptu & illegal vehicle searches, travel is being reduced on all forms of mobility. And all the locals are concerned about is gay “marriage” and abortions. I’m pleased to admit I have no idea who Kardashian is, nor I have I ever seen an episode of “hosewives”. Get rid of your debt people, and make sure you have some handtools, and dry matches handy. A few rolls of tp might come in handy too, unless you have a nice corn crop out there. I read the bailout stories of europe and wonder when Germany will pull the plug. Maybe by then they’ll own the rest of europe anyway, with not a bullet being fired. And of course the oil folks will have penty of fire fuel, but nothing to cook on them but each other. That sand don’t grow no taters…

  59. loveday April 23, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Jim
    Good post, it is nice to see you finally acknowlegde that Fukushima is really the most important event of the new millenium. By the way did you happen to see that the Japanese are in talks with the Russians over the Kuril islands? Seems the Japanese may need them back when they evacuate 40 million people out of the Tokyo area due to radiation contamination. Oh well, not a peep about that in the MSM.
    The other event that has been carefully kept out of Kardashian land news is that Iceland has forced their banks to forgive most mortgage debt of the population. The Icelanders are also putting their bankers on trial for their shenanigans. Apparently Bryan Williams isn’t allowed to air that little nugget of information to the unwashed masses. They might get a little uppity and say “Hey what about us, we need mortgage forgiveness too.” Oh well it goes on and on.
    loveday

  60. ccm989 April 23, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    One of the things everyone has noticed is that it has been very warm this past winter and spring. Sunday we were lucky enough to get some rain but we have gone weeks without it. No snow cover, no rain = inevitable drought. But other than lack of moisture what’s really distracting us now is the thought of warm weather vacations. Yes, everyone likes to go on vacations. We work 50 weeks of the year and really want to relax for those two brief vacation weeks. So we plan for sunshine and frolic. Everything else gets put on hold. Why not? We all need a break! So we pack up our stuff, buckle the seat belts on our squirming children, hop in the car and go! To hell with the price of gas. We all need to get out of Dodge occasionally.
    So bigger issues like Peak Oil get ignored. We take a mental holiday because otherwise we’d all go nuts. Of course, the nuts seem to be multiplying at an exponential rate. Look at that Norwegian nut. Shooting kids at a summer camp because he is mad the government allows non-whites to immigrate into his country. So he gets back at the government by shooting random kids. Nuts, I tell you. And of course the homegrown nuts are breeding like crazy. Reminds me of that old song –
    You’ve got to be taught
    To hate and fear
    You’ve got to be taught
    From year to Year
    It’s got to be drummed
    in your dear little ear
    You’ve got to be carefully taught
    You’ve got to be taught
    To be Afraid
    Of people whose eyes
    are oddly made
    And people whose skin
    Is a different shade
    You’ve got to be carefully taught
    You’ve got to be taught
    Before it’s too late
    Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
    To hate all the people
    your relatives hate
    You’ve got to be carefully taught
    So the world winds down economically and the hate shoots up irrationally as the ignorant always blame someone else. FOX News is very effective. The rich know that for the few to be very, very rich, everyone else must be very, very poor. And once everyone else is desperately poor, the rich can rule with an iron hand. But, in the meantime, the Dutch are apparently working on a super bird flu that infects humans and kills them quickly. That might just wreck up the very, very rich’s plan. After all, if everyone is dead, who do the surviving rich get to lord over? Enjoy your warm weather vacation will you still can!

  61. rippedthunder April 23, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Hey O3, Good luck with that tuning hammer. I tried my hand at it a few years back but I’ve got a tin ear.






  62. Drew Keeling April 23, 2012 at 10:48 am #

    The Escher cartoon is a classic, but does not apply to the funds flow in Spain as presented here. If you simply net out the back and forths between Spain’s government and its banks, the ECB (and thus ultimately its largest shareholders, the central banks of France and Germany) is in essence providing money to the Spanish government. Whether that bailout will do more than just buy a little time is doubtful at best, but it is a bailout, not a circular shell game. Additional funds are effectively going into Spain.

  63. noel bodie April 23, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    GENERAL STRIKE MAY 1 put down your lap tops people get to the streets

  64. deni April 23, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    Guess one has to add up numbers of victims to arrive at the true answer to, ‘Who’s more violent in our world?’ White guys – hands down and now that our opportunities for violence against people of color are dwindling along with their numbers, we’ve begun attacking white people and guess where that’s happening? The brown people of other nations have had a much different perspective on violence for about five hundred years now. Yeah, bummer, isn’t it and I’d expect the numbers of white victims of indiscriminate and discriminate whiteguy violence to be spiking big time very, very soon. Better stay inside, but don’t use your computer or telephone. I believe you know why.

  65. charliefoxtrot April 23, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    mornin’, class! whew, i gotta say, it s been strange not keeping up with ANYthing that s going on out there- been fishing most of the time, so to speak…gottdam i love good pussy! (sorry if i offend the more sensitive among you; but i gotta call it like it is, right?) i just stopped by to say ‘hey’, and thought i would give props for the escher analogy- fuckiong beautiful, james, i don t care what he^ says…and i will keep up with comments every few days, & if anything shakes my tree i ll contribute…all o’ y all stay frosty, keep the powder dry, and getcha some…!

  66. Neon Vincent April 23, 2012 at 11:21 am #

    “Pon-Farr”, I believe.
    Also, it would seem that the stupefaction aspect of the Cardassian Girls is on purpose. Bread and circuses, and all that. (The observant will see what I did there.)

    Yeah, I saw it. Live long and prosper to you, too.
    A bit more seriously, if you pine for a Star Trek future, remember that World War III lurks around the corner in that timeline. We’ll have to go through that before we get what Gene Roddenberry promised us–in 250 years!

  67. lpat April 23, 2012 at 11:23 am #

    Mm. Ultra-maroon.

  68. ozone April 23, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    Haw! Good example of a “tuning hammer”.
    Dis vid goeth wid yer vid (as background music o’ course):






    I’m looking for “moderate” success on piano warping with a combo of on-line tutorials, watching pros, electronic tuner with fine incremental adjustments, and having the torturous temerity to do gigs with 12-string exclusively. (Ya gots to keep it close enough to the harmonica[s] to keep it from being painful, and at the same time a bit of tempering/flat-ing/sharp-ing for different keys is always part of the fun.)

  69. BeantownBill April 23, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    “Meanwhile those who have too much get more and as their vital needs are only a tiny sliver of what they have.”
    When I read this, an image and idea flashed into my mind: Nanotechnology and nanobots. Little molecular machines coursing through human bloodstreams, self-replicating and seeking out bad molecules to devour in order to keep us healthy. Then I thought of TPTB as tiny automatons programmed to eat up everything that belongs to the rest of us, as they coursed through our society’s bloodstream. Weird. Some people use the anology of vampires for TPTB, but I use runaway nanotechnology.

  70. Lightfoot April 23, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    Recently saw an Escher pop-up book. Think about it.
    Yet another good analogy to current financial wizardy.

  71. BeantownBill April 23, 2012 at 11:33 am #

    Oh, yeah – I’m still voting for you. K-Dog for president!

  72. azgog April 23, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    When the sheeple are content with their Big Macs (supersize me!) and Kardashian circuses they care not for justice or the erosion of the planetary life support system. When fed (not well, but fed) and entertained (perhaps the correct word is distracted) the ensuing mental and physical daze does not lend itself to noticing that everything around them has become a racket. So the slow imposition of the Police State, the absconding with billions of dollars, the unpunished criminal activities on Wall street and the debt slavery of their offspring all slide below the threshold of outrage, or even caring.
    Millions are getting ready to endorse the new Ronald Reagon clone who is making the same promises of a return to the “good old days”. What good old days? You mean the BAU that led to a $15 trillion dollar debt, a grotesque enrichment of the 1% and a minimum wage/pink slime diet for the rest of us?

  73. BeantownBill April 23, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    Or Slim Pickens whoopin’ and hollerin’ as he rides the bomb down.

  74. ozone April 23, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Ps,
    RT,
    I probably understand [by long experience] the concept of “tensioning” better than most by virtue of the vagaries of a tuned-down 12 under the constant influence of varying temperatures, replacing busted strings with new un-stretched ones, and my merciless beatings on the poor thing.
    (Crank one string up, it releases a bit of tension on the others, thus “flattening” them; a maddening but mandatory interplay. Best practice? Lighten up, and don’t break strings for a long time. Uhhh… I wish. ;o)

  75. Tancred April 23, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    What’s Important
    Just for fun, I watched a bit of the NASCAR race on Sunday. The announcers were bemoaning the fact that there hadn’t been a lot of “action” in the races lately. I suppose that is a not-so-subtle code for “fiery wrecks.” So this is what the fans want, big crashes of garish race cars with flames and smoke and metal parts flying all over the place. No wonder, because without that, there really is not much to watch. Which is why it’s easy to criticize NASCAR fans as a bunch of…well, let’s like JHK come up with the words…
    And why does Toyota seem to win and Ford not? Wouldn’t that bug a lot of NASCAR fans? And Danica Patrick? She sure carved out her niche with GoDaddy.com. Very tasteful indeed.

  76. sevenmmm April 23, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Not just any jesus, but Jesus H. Christ, please make a note of this. Otherwise, that is quite an interesting picture and a perfect use of it.
    And you know damn well after the NYTimes hasperished,there will still be the feeling the USofA will be able to drill its way to oil independence. You actually touched this in your book World Made by Hand. That damn book kept me up unitl 1:30 last night to finish it…
    Since I live with the “Americans”, I can give my expert opinion in that these people will remain in a trance until the government checks are worthless. That is when all hell will break loose for all the wrong reasons.
    I am ornery enough by lack of sleep right now to type, serves ‘em right.

  77. Widespreadpanic7 April 23, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Its just a slow-burn then, Jim, instead of one quick detonation. That’s OK.
    Sometimes the ruins can be quite charming, like living in those isolated little factory towns in central New England amongst the crumbling redbrick factories along fast moving rivers, water wheels no longer spinning, in 150 year old company housing.
    Hey Anti-soak, about those loudmouthed lefties descending on Washington to get cop killer Ibu Jamal freed, don’t be surprised if they are successful! Look who the AG is! As for Police officer Danny Faulkner’s wife and son, well, who gives a crap about them? After all, Rage Against the Machine didn’t write lyrics with them in it, did it.
    –WSP7

  78. MoncriefJ April 23, 2012 at 11:54 am #

    The Middle West is smoldering away like a giant root fire? I better call my great-aunt Edna in Omaha to make sure she’s OK!

  79. Dr. Tim April 23, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    Happy Earth Day! Everything is just fine. And yes the trees are blooming…unfortunately they are blooming to the drum of a new climate, the anthropocene. Generation Y or the Millennium Generation appears not to care, as much as those crazy hippies of the 60s, about the environment or…you! Say Captain, where are the lifeboats?

  80. bproman April 23, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    I wonder if the pawn shop will accept mastercard on that used saddle hanging on the shelf.

  81. mika. April 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Cash out. Take the money and run, Bill.
    ???? ???? ????
    http://youtu.be/DlOCQPgO1qk

  82. messianicdruid April 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    That’s a great line TT! Michael Hudson article
    “Productivity, The Miracle of Compound Interest and Poverty” adds perspective:
    http://michael-hudson.com/2012/04/productivity-the-miracle-of-compound-interest-and-poverty/

  83. welles April 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    all of which points to the likelihood that Japan will become the first advanced industrial nation to bid sayonara to modernity and return to a neo-medieval socio-economic model of daily life
    major guffaw
    jim you are so much smarter than this, this is merely more hyperbolized irrational thinking congruent with your prediction that learning to run a mule and plow will become more valuable than an engineering degree in the vague long mayan emergency. just stupendously shortsighted.
    love the line about the DOJ becoming a wax museum tho’, lafft out lowd almost….
    peace peaceniks

  84. Harvey Cohen April 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Hey Vlad,
    Are you still invested in Apple?
    Best,
    Humble Harv

  85. The Mook April 23, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Apple stock heads north tommorow after the close. Now who has a hot tip on the Kentucky Derby?

  86. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

    Response to Assoka’s post re the aomic bombing of Japan in WW2.
    If I was a teacher of history I would give you a big fat fucking fail for that analysis of the historical cicumstances surrounding the use of the atomic bomb. I don’t need to tell you why, you already know why.
    But I’ll give examples anyway and for the benefit of other readers that might actually be interested.
    Did you consider the possibility that, far from being defeated and on the verge of surrender, Japanese ground forces were pretty much intact on the main Japanese Islands and itching for a fight, that the Japanese cabinet was divided between ministers who wanted to sue for peace and those who were optimistic of obtaining a victory over American forces or at least a negotiated peace. Did you consider the possibility that American war leaders suspected or knew that there was a strong likelihood that the Japanese were disinclined to give up thus necessitating an invasion of the Japanese Islands?
    Did you consider what calculations American leadership performed in consideration of an invasion of the main Japanese Islands in terms of the human cost? What would the potential body count have been? A million more dead? Two million more dead?
    Did you consider what a negotiated peace with Japan could have led to? You have Germany in the 1930s as your example ie a country and people still undefeated refitting their armed forces and setting off once again on a campaign of conquest, murder and rape. Did you consider the possibility that American war leaders, having learned the lessons of WW1 and its aftermath, would therefore settle for nothing less than the complete defeat and unconditional surrender of Japanese forces?
    Did you consider the use of the atomic bombs in light of what happened in the months, years and decades after? Consider first that it took not one atomic bomb blast but two before Japan surrendered. And now look at the practical results: Japan is no longer a power that menaces its neighbors, it ceased its rampage of murder and rape, the tens of millions that the Japanese armed forces killed and wounded and raped in Asia was something never repeated.
    Your analysis is one sided and nowhere close to being complete, fair and balanced. The way I see it is a worthless pile of shit.

  87. BillD April 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Hey Jim, nothing perks up a Monday like reading your blog. This little item (which is similar, but with more statistics) really has me looking forward to our collective future:
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/epic-fail-part-one.html
    Keep up the good work!

  88. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Imagine a poster of racist commentary that disparages an entire race of people that then complains about ad hominem attacks. Boo fucking hoo, cry us a river. Jaw dropping hypocrisy.

  89. helen highwater April 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    You lose. First racist comment was in at 9:15 pm.

  90. Frank April 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    “You’d at least expect a few Germans to choke on a bratwurst here and there.”
    I rather doubt those folks’ are sitting idle whilst the UN/Bankers/Elitist’s conjur up a solution on the back of Germany; soon enough the auto haus’ of Bavaria will be churning out new & improved “Tiger” tanks.

  91. bossier22 April 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    And did you consider that Japan was working on there own bomb along with biological agents. truman had the good sense to not fuck around.

  92. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    Perhaps Asokas been rewriting history for much longer than this blogs existed.
    I dont claim to be an expert at American History
    [something the left has done a job of rewriting
    and obscuring, yr more likely to study Jewish History in a college here than US history] so
    I ask this humbly, were more Japanese killed by other US bombs prior to Hiroshima/ Nagasaki?
    the bombs had been dropping for a long time on Japan, yes?
    Azgog,what about a mulatto who offered Hope n Change?

  93. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    Marlin you have my eternal admiration.
    Honey words of praise flow from my lips to yr ears.
    Holder praised ‘the 2 Revs’ for their work stirring up the black masses over Trayvon.
    Springsteen sang a song in Fla written long ago over Luimma[?], the African assaulted by the 2 young psychotic cops in NY.
    No words from the pseudo populist about Shawn Tyson!
    Bruce Springsteen Dedicates ’41 Shots’ Protest Song to Trayvon …
    dcist.com/2012/03/on_tour_in_florida_bruce_springstee.php
    Mar 29, 2012 – Bruce Springsteen Dedicates ’41 Shots’ Protest Song to Trayvon Martin … The Boss, who plays in Washington on Sunday, also performed……………blablabla

  94. ozone April 23, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    ……………blablabla -ASssssss
    Alrighty then, that’s just what I see as coming from your quadrant in regards to all and everything.
    As my dad was wont to say, “Your goddamn nonsense is going to drop you in a hole; and you’re still going to be yelling it as you fall.
    Good luck, you’re surely gonna need it.
    (Grad school? Really???? *whew*)

  95. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Yes I had. Can’t mention everything though. I saw an interview with one of the members of the Japanese team of scientists working on their atomic bomb. He had a sense of humor. When Japan surrendered he was told by the leader of his team that they were now obliged to commit ritual suicide because they had failed. And so he told the leader you go ahead and commit suicide, this war’s over.
    You’re right, Truman didn’t fuck around. You can make a case for a negotiated peace with Japan, you can make a case for a full scale invasion of the main Islands. You can also make a case for dropping the bombs.
    After the body count in the Pacific war with Japan especially on Okinawa I doubt there was much appetite for an invasion. I’ve read a number of times that there was senior American military leadership opposed to it because of the expected death toll. So I think that Truman was stuck in a very diffult place. I think that dropping the bombs was unpalatable but so was a negotiated peace and the possibility of a resurrection of an aggressive imperialistic and militaristic Japan. Using the bomb was probably seen as the lesser of the evils in the end.
    The thing is that the US wasn’t the only power working on a nuclear device (so was Germany). I don’t know where things stood with the USSR but as one of the co-starters of WW2 with Germany and Japan there would be more than ample reason to be suspicious of them. If they weren’t working on a bomb, given the degree that western countries were infested with communist spies, IMO it would have been just a matter of time. Whether or not the US used theirs on Japan or not.

  96. Hammering Truth April 23, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    I believe we are about to drop a few notches: http://youtu.be/eEqSGMzr-Co

  97. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Yes, the US had been bombing the crap out of Japanese cities prior to the atomic bombs. I read somewhere that the Japanese death toll from conventional bombing was around 900,000. I’ve read that 80,000 died in one mass bombing raid over Tokyo.
    I’ve read people arguing both ways on this point, that mass bombing of cities did no good in terms of hastening the end of the wars and I’ve read opposing views.
    One thing though is that desruction and carnage and suffering on that scale has to have left an impression on German and Japanese societies, they went from militarist, belligerent, aggressive powers that killed on a massive scale to peaceful peaceniks. I guess they realized that they couldn’t wage antiseptic war where their armies rained murder on other societies while remaining undisturbed themselves.
    About the atomic bombs and their effect on ending the war: I’ve also heard that what ultimately made up Hirohito’s mind to pull the plug wasn’t the two atomic bombs but rather the declaration of war by the USSR and the prospect of the Red Army invading Japan. Who really knows?

  98. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Right – so we decided to conquer and make over the whole world in our own image. But it’s not working too well, is it?
    Btw, the Japanese never accepted the guilt trip like the Germans did. They bowed in their heads and adapted. There are Shinto Shrines to the Emperor and the “Shogun” of their Army back then. Remember, they take the long view. Some talk about paying us back for those two bombs some day… And of course the whole thing was our fault since Admiral Perry forced his way in and forced them to trade. And then having adapted to that, we refused to let them be a world power by trying to cut off their oil, refuse to let them immigrate to America, etc.

  99. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Yeah so let’s bomb those A-rabs and make them into Americans too. It’s gonna backfire dude. It already has.

  100. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Please address me since Mika is just my creation. We all know that people like Mika – racist Jews – don’t exist.
    No, never was and never said I was. I posted an blurb about Steve Jobs being a bit of a crook a few weeks ago though. Is that what you mean?

  101. kleymo April 23, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

    I think this about sums up present American leadership:
    The way is shut.
    It was made by those who are Dead.
    And the Dead keep it.
    The way is shut.
    Lord of the Rings – J.R. Tolkien

    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

  102. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

    As I said, there are/were opposing and diverging points of view on the issue both now and at the time. There were leaders arguing against bombing cities during the fighting of WW2. Put yourself in the shoes of leaders at the time. What would you do?
    Or maybe that’s a bad question to ask as I suspect you would side with Nazi Germany. Am I right on this?

  103. Rhino April 23, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    You’re forgetting something: the American way of life looks enormously attractive to a huge number of non Americans. Trust me on this. You over-estimate the effectiveness of present day American hard military power, you under-estimate the effectiveness of American so-called “soft” power.

  104. jarrollin April 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    icebergitization?
    —————–
    Going with it…let’s see if she floats. Wonder what Sad Gramps thinks of it? … Vlad, any thoughts? You should have as much say on things here as anybody.

  105. Shakazulu April 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm #

    “It’s very creepy and eerie to be in the middle of history, knowing what is about to happen, but being powerless to do anything”
    You expressed something I’ve been feeling for quite a while now. When I examine my beliefs I sometimes wonder if I’m not mistaken about how desperate our situation really is. But as I can’t watch the filth and propaganda on TV anymore without feeling nauseous, I think I’m right when I believe that the collapse/crisis could happen any day. The Kardashian Trance is pulling us down into the abyss.

  106. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Whatever Pal!

  107. Kyooshtik April 23, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

    This is an HTML tag test:
    MIKA IS A HORSE’S ASS

  108. VyseLegend April 23, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    I think Kardashian Trance deserves a place in the dictionary. Or at least the Urban Dictionary :-)

  109. Kyooshtik April 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Nope, didn’t work. Let me try it a slightly different way:
    Mika is a horse’s ass

  110. xhalor April 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    “mornin’, class!…”
    Stuff it, Vlad.

  111. bossier22 April 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    Morale among returning European theatre vets wasn’t the greatest either. many were not looking forward to pacific cruise after serving in Europe.

  112. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    France, For the first time the Incumbent did NOT
    lead in # of votes!
    LE PEN GOT 20% OF THE VOTES, NPR DOES NOT SOUND HAPPY! What NPR fails to note is most babies born in Paris are Black.

  113. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Gaius Cassius Longinus was the man behind the curtain of and a participant in the murder of Julius Ceasar. Julius Ceasar’s successor was his grandnephew Caius Julius Caesar Octavianus who became Octavian and later Augustus as he acquired greater powers. Augustus cultivated popularity by giving away free food, entertainment(“bread and circuses“) and money. The term “bread and circuses” was penned by Juvenal, a Roman satiric poet later on.

  114. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

    U havin Pon-Farr?

  115. Quieteyes April 23, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    The far right has as many transgressions against the public as the far left. To cast our system as “bipolar” shows how you still think in those terms. Hint: it’s merging into a single, focused system with the same groupthink and groupspeak.
    Immorality isn’t always about sex and conception, look up theft and hubris sometime.

  116. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    The far right has as many transgressions against the public as the far left.
    Not sure what country you live in…the Dems/ Left
    endanger the USA, which is now #3 in population [310m] behind China and India [I read this, didnt check on Indonesia].

  117. SeaYoung April 23, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    NPR this morning: Greece and Spain have implemented austerity measures, but debt continues to grow…
    Greece and Spain need to visit Iceland.

  118. mika. April 23, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Q, you have a sensitive soul, and that’s a good thing. I can see that I obviously hurt your feelings. I apologize.

  119. Liquid Lennny April 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm #

    Jim,
    You described this period of time quite accurately as “Sleepwalking into Future”. Certainly it seems as if the western world in general and the U.S. in particular is on some supersized mega dose of ‘Ambiem’. The most apparent side-effect of which is an absolute denial of reality. But most here understand this time is merely the calm before the storm. And I hope most are using this time wisely.
    As for the U.S. becoming an energy exporting nation, why not? We’ve exported our potential for utilizing human energy, as in the exportation of the manufacturing base and the textile industry. So of course the multinationals will export our domestic energy production given the chance, that’s the beauty of U.S. capitalism and the “free market”.
    My motto: “Enjoy the Show”

  120. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    When I examine my beliefs I sometimes wonder if I’m not mistaken about how desperate our situation really is.
    Remember that this is exactly what the peak is supposed to look like. It is now high noon and the question is what comes next.
    I can’t watch the filth and propaganda on TV anymore without feeling nauseous
    Sanity is nothing to be ashamed of, in an insane world sanity will produce nausea as it should.
    I think I’m right when I believe that the collapse/crisis could happen any day.
    You are making the same mistake James made this week, expecting the world to follow the lines of logic. This also is nothing to be ashamed of, it happens to me too. Expecting other people to use their brains like we do is a common and very human mistake.
    For those who see the writing on the wall it is normal to expect the future to come tomorrow. The timeline of human ignorance is much longer. The inevitable will arrive on its own schedule.

  121. Rick April 23, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    Jim,
    You’re right.
    Where I live, most people I know think things are just fine.
    Business as usual for most that I know, such as:
    Still traveling, flying here or there, destroying the environment via jet travel.
    Still sending their kids to college, despite the fact the jobs are gone for good.
    Still driving like there’s no tomorrow, in their big ass SUVs. And leaving the car running.
    Still having kids, this really shows their ignorance about the future. I never had any, and glad of it.
    Most think the economy is getting better, yet most have never heard of CDS, or Goldman Sachs.
    Most think shale oil will save us, or some technology.
    Most are also distracted by Facebook, or their stupid mobile device, like it’s some kind of pacifier.
    I also think a lot of folks, just don’t care. They think there’s nothing I can do, so why try.
    I could go on. Most are going to be screwed.
    As John Michael Greer once said, millions will die in the coming decades.

  122. Rick April 23, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    Jim,
    You’re right.
    Where I live, most people I know think things are just fine.
    Business as usual for most that I know, such as:
    Still traveling, flying here or there, destroying the environment via jet travel.
    Still sending their kids to college, despite the fact the jobs are gone for good.
    Still driving like there’s no tomorrow, in their big ass SUVs. And leaving the car running.
    Still having kids, this really shows their ignorance about the future. I never had any, and glad of it.
    Most think the economy is getting better, yet most have never heard of CDS, or Goldman Sachs.
    Most think shale oil will save us, or some technology.
    Most are also distracted by Facebook, or their stupid mobile device, like it’s some kind of pacifier.
    I also think a lot of folks, just don’t care. They think there’s nothing I can do, so why try.
    I could go on. Most are going to be screwed.
    As John Michael Greer once said, millions will die in the coming decades.

  123. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

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  124. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Well they were far from perfect, but let’s face – the victors are in the process of ending Western Civilization via mass Third World Immigration. This is your Capitalism. Fascism loves the History and Traditions of its respective peoples. They would never had done this in a million years – anymore than the Japanese would ever do.

  125. TrE April 23, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    Hours fly
    Flowers die
    New days
    New ways
    Pass by
    Love stays

  126. BeantownBill April 23, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    One thing, Rhino: Precedent. Truman was a tough mother and took responsibility for his actions, which is a good trait (btw, I stood 5 feet away from ol’ HST when he was considering running for reelection in 1951).But one thing he was not, and that was a deep thinker.
    By dropping the bomb, the USA set the precedent for using an atomic weapon in warfare. That meant that in the future another country could justify doing the same because the Americans already did it. If nuking a civilian population had never happened, it might be possible that nuclear war would never occur. That it hasn’t yet happened again doesn’t mean it won’t.
    War sucks. I don’t have another good answer to whether or not we should have nuked Japan. We had already carpet-bombed the shit out of Germany, with hundreds of thousands of victims. It’s possible we would have done the same to Japan. The only different end result between carpet-bombing and A-bombing is the radioactivity.
    Still, I believe although it was very harshly practical, it was also incredibly short-sighted to have used atomic weapons. Did the US believe that no other country could ever develop them?

  127. jackieblue2u April 23, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    Nice !

  128. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    Its earth day and I’m off to fetch MS dog (it is Mrs. if you really want to know but I don’t own her). I pass over a crest of a hill by a pinnacle of suburban bling. Homes start at 800K here. A hundred or more finely dressed white faces are holding spotless new shovels and are planting trees. All faces are white and cheerful. A vacant area next to road had been cleared for the planting festival. The social orgy of giving back is well under way as I pass. Everywhere bright colored finery plant trees.
    Now its Monday and I pass that way again. Nobody is there, only lonely saplings stand naked in dark earthen circles. I reflect that all the busy planters have gone back to their busy lives having each done their part. I reflect on how good they must feel.
    As I pass by I wonder what the scene will look like in a few years. I wonder if it will look like forest. Then I realize that nothing had been done at all. The climate here is thick rich impassible forest, Douglas Fir and Big-Leaf Maple. I live where trees grow like weeds.

  129. BeantownBill April 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    Ah, Mika, I wish I could, but I can’t for a few good reasons.

  130. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    No love dies too – changing into something else, usually hate or indifference. Only Love stays – because its object is eternal and unchanging.

  131. bossier22 April 23, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    that is the best argument i have ever heard for not using the a-bomb. so many turning points and lost opportunities in history. not the usual knee jerk reasons for not using it.

  132. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    What about Egypt not supplying Israel with energy?

  133. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    Ozone only hates corruption and violence if done by Whites. Done by Blacks it’s perfectly fine if not virtuous. A strange kind of racism is it not?

  134. fairguy April 23, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

    From my neck of the woods – in the software industry, people are also thinking and behaving as “normal”.
    Just back from a trip to Bulgaria – meeting with colleagues who are every much in thrall to the Eurozone and the myth of the American dream as ever. When they told me that their currency is linked to the Euro (2:1 ratio), I tried to explain that it is a bad idea for an economy like theirs – still emerging from its communist past – to not be able to manage their currency and to have to trust the Euro central banksters. But they scoff at the Greek example, thinking that will never happen to them. To my recommendation that they learn to appreciate their “smallness” and don’t latch onto the Euro fraudulent schemes I got blank stares; I suppose that’s an effect of communism – anything else seems better.
    Sofia itself is a city with a mixture of quaint architecture and crumbling road infrastructure which they plan to overhaul. I actually liked the 3 to 6 story structures which are typically designed with porches and large windows – considering that air conditioning is still a luxury in many homes. Although quite large, the town is pleasant and does not create the disillusioned and threatening vibe that the modern skyscraper cities do.

  135. Buck Stud April 23, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    ” As John Michael Greer once said, millions will die in the coming decades.”
    John Michael Greer is not exactly going out on a limb with this prediction. According to organizations who gather these type of stats, 55.3 million people die EACH YEAR.
    I enjoy reading JMG, but in general, “Doomer” type blogs have a bent for sensationalism and hyperbole. I’m not sure if it has reached “cry wolf” proportions yet, but my eyes sure rolled after reading one very well-known blog writer state that he envisions a Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” type of world sometime in the future.
    Yes, sometime in the future…”Millions Will Die” – (shuddering!)

  136. welles April 23, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    As John Michael Greer once said, millions will die in the coming decades
    poppycock. as people have access to ever more food, ever more mobility, ever more income, ever increasing lifespans, where is the evidence for this, besides sophomoric yearning for doomsday?
    a trend is a trend until it stops.
    so, whilst we’re all getting fatter and more prosperous – YES people are hurting financially in pockets, but I am citing the major, indisputable trend – amongst so-called global warming and other alleged blights, we are witnessing positive times indeed.
    ‘millions will die’ – do tell how they will die please, as prima facie millions die each year of natural causes or accidents.
    peace peaceniks

  137. ASPO Article 1037 April 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    RAILWAY AGE circa May 1945 notes call for US RR companies to assemble 12,000 passenger/Pullman cars for moving several dozen Divisions of US troops from East Coast to West Coast parts. Destination Tokyo…
    Russia backed of from jumping into Japan after Hiroshima. Russia persuaded by Truman to stay out of Iran in 1946, certainly not because of US proximity and overwhelming army manpower…
    More on the train tool for the Oil Interregnum solution set in future installments. Note ASPO articles 374 and 1034 in ASPO Newsletters 42 & 89, respectively.

  138. jarrollin April 23, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

    So many interesting things to respond to in these posts: One gentleman was complaining to JHK that people in his area are still having kids, sending them to college and … gasp … using air travel. People lodge big ass complaints like this, without any alternative suggestions. But behavior reflects the fearless leader of this website, who lodges big complaints, but offers almost zilch in the way of suggestions. Is hypocrisy also something that doesn’t really matter, to use the phrase from the title? I also believe JHK racks up more frequent flier miles than the rest of us combined. So, it seems a bit silly to complain to him about that.
    Also, in case people didn’t get the chance to see, the new word is “icebergification” — as in, we are currently in a stage of icebergification — we’ve hit the iceberg..there’s a big ass hole…but we ain’t sinking yet. This is more intriguing figurative language than that lame “calm before the storm” crap. You call this calm — I don’t. Calm means mellow. Nothing seems mellow to me. It’s more like icebergification.
    On a positive, I’ve won a lottery entitling me to a garden plot in my local community. So, I’ll be growing some of my own food nearby. So, I assume I’m doing more than at least half of the gloom and doomers who hang out here. Any gardening suggestions?

  139. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

    Very low class X. Each day is a new begining. That’s why the birds sing at first light – creation is begins anew. You brought last weeks arimony to this weeks table. Why not let the week unfold as it will?
    Someday you may wake up and find yourself areeing with me about everything. It will probably be the morning after being mugged by “enrichers”.

  140. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    What’s the percentage of non Bularian enrichers? How many Africans? How many Muslims? Homogeneity is gold. Diversity in the days ahead mean riots and bloodshed.

  141. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    I guarantee you would want to kill me on sight or at least once I opened my mouth. I can feel this kind of thing. You are a tribesman without a name; an ambassador without porfolio.

  142. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    ‘Yes, sometime in the future…”Millions Will Die” – (shuddering!) ‘
    Every year 80 Million are [re] born here, so naturally billions die or will die, logically
    enough.
    When was there a day when people did not die?

  143. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

    Oh now I get it. Yeah good analogy. But the smart people are already away in the lifeboats. We’re the 2nd class passenegers who aren’t even on deck yet and don’t even know what all the commotion is about. But we know somethin is very very wrong.
    An example: Director James Cameron bought a 1500 acre farm in New Zealand recently. A smart man.

  144. edpell April 23, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    I certainly agree things have been strangely quiet for the last month or so.

  145. catman306 April 23, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    The real question is, after the last human has starved to death, or whatever fate awaits him, how long will it take for bacteria to discover ways of extracting energy from plastic and computer chips and all stuff of our modern world?
    Our civilization will just become fertilizer for a legion of new one celled life forms that will thrive for a time until they, too, becomes food for something else. After a few million years (or less), you’d never recognize the place.

  146. Liquid Lennny April 23, 2012 at 8:24 pm #

    As many of us know there are times when Technology is simply NOT the answer.
    To prove the point, incidences such as the one linked below occur all too frequently in modern life.
    But that’s my opinion, judge for yourself;
    http://www.youtube.com/embed/xWMkOwq2qIU?rel=0

  147. Vlad Krandz April 23, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    As long as our bodies are carbon/oxygen enines, decay, sludge, free radicals, etc are omnipresent and thus death. We must become nuclear engines like the Sun. This is the secret of the Transfiguration on Mt Tabor when Christ became too bright to look upon.
    In other words, simple living, high non thinking.
    Eat like a rabbit to become a god. Meat only for the Warrior Caste.

  148. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    A dogs gotta do what a dogs gotta do. Me I know where there are some saplings I want to pee on.

  149. welles April 23, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    The real question is, after the last human has starved to death, or whatever fate awaits him, how long will it take for bacteria to discover ways of extracting energy from plastic and computer chips and all stuff of our modern world
    that’s not a question worth asking. make something useful with your world.
    how do you know bacteria will survive in this made-up future?
    plant 1,000 trees or collect rainwater at your house or bicycle to the store or grow some of your own food. stop ruminating on effluvia.
    you are much more talented than to give in to this
    laughable doomsday talk.
    peace peaceniks

  150. Liquid Lennny April 23, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Yea, I’ve come to accept the fact that the area I’ve marked as the perimeter of my intellectual territory is quite limited in its scope & breath…
    That said, I can’t imagine how even more screwed up this place would be if there wasn’t some humor now and then to take the edge off.
    Later all…

  151. ozone April 23, 2012 at 8:59 pm #

    Well okay then.
    I’ll stop trying to prepare myself for leaner times and start the joyriding, credit binging and Wal-mart dependancy! It’s All Good!!!
    What the fuck was I worried about?!
    (I know I can leave it all up to the laddie and his cadre to take care of all of us reg’lar folk if things should slip towards the “immoral” or “incorrect”.)
    I won’t even have to stock up on a decent supply of Cheez Doodles since they’ll be available forevermore! Hurrah, me boys, hurrah!

  152. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    as people have access to ever more food
    925 million hungry people in 2010

  153. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:05 pm #

    ever more mobility
    High gas prices are a bipartisan failure

  154. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    ever increasing lifespans
    Trends in World Inequality in Life Span Since 1970
    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull
    Trees plant themselves.
    Jack-Ass Jingoist

  155. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    If you wondering why I had several short posts in a row it is because the anti-spam software would not allow so many links in one. All were meant for WELLES, the peace peacenik prick.

  156. anti soak April 23, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    K, USA and other White countries continue to import peeps. Heck 1 in 3? Haitians is already in USA.

  157. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    I appreciated your humor, good dog!!!
    You get a doggie treat from me.
    On a serious note:
    As many of us know there are times when Technology is simply NOT the answer.”
    A fair number on this site would agree but I’m not sure you’d even get a majority here. Ask the man in the street this question and the answer will come back as an overwhelming blind belief in technology.
    Technology comes naturally to humans and believing in it as the solution to all problems is a knee-jerk reaction. We are wired that way because we evolved using technology.

  158. welles April 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    925 MILLION HUNGRY PEOPLE IN 2010
    you naysayers never seem to read my posts thoroughly…
    i stated that the primary trend is more food…
    yes there are hungry people.
    the argument advanced was that ON THE WHOLE there is more food abundance in extremely large swaths of the planet, viz. china, where the slanty eyed devils are getting plumper by the minute.
    i said more income, whilst also saying YES PEOPLE ARE HURTING IN ‘POCKETS’.
    please read carefully & answer substantively.
    Well okay then.
    I’ll stop trying to prepare myself for leaner times and start the joyriding, credit binging and Wal-mart dependancy! It’s All Good!!!
    What the fuck was I worried about?!

    this is a typical fatalized overreaction to an argument, and is achingly anemic.
    instead of reading my comment carefully – where i say people have more FOOD, INCOME and LONGER LIFESPANS and that YES THERE ARE PROBLEMS – the reader VAULTS to the erroneous conclusion that i’m saying we need to revert to massive credit binging
    and buying cheap chinese junque, and that there’s nothing of worry going on….
    where are your counterblows to my 3 propositions???
    READ the bloody comment CAREFULLY. answer with something substantive.
    peace peaceniks

  159. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    I took PC’s NumbersUSA link recently and took their quiz.

    • Is U.S. population growth causing the country to use up its natural resources too fast?
      I say yes as do a wopping 57% of all Americans
    • U.S. population has grown from 200 million in 1970 to over 300 million today. In terms of the environment, has adding the extra 100 million people damaged, improved or made no difference in environmental quality, open spaces and wildlife?
      I say yes as do a 52% of all Americans
    • Would adding another 100 million to our population be too much, too little or about right?
      I say yes as do 66% of all Americans
    • The Census Bureau says the population of the United States is on a trend to double this century. If the population in YOUR AREA were to double, what would it do to the quality of life?
      I say Make it a lot worse only 33% agree
    • Over the next century, would you prefer the nation’s population to stay about the same around 312 million, slowly become smaller, or continue to grow by half to 450 million, double to 600 million, or more than double the nation’s population to above 600 million?
      I say ‘slowly become smaller’ but only 25% agree
    • Should the government try to do anything to slow down population growth in the United States?
      I say yes as do 56% of all Americans
    • Census data show that since 1972, the size of American families has been at a zero-population-growth level. But immigration has tripled and is now the cause of nearly all long-term population growth. Does the government need to reduce immigration to slow down population growth, or keep it the same or increase it?
      I say ‘Reduce immigration to slow population growth’ as do 68% of all Americans.
      Reducing immigration to zero was not an option or I would have taken it.
    • Current levels of immigration could continue without causing population growth if Americans would cut their average family size from two children to one. Should Americans cut their family size to accommodate present levels of immigration?
      I say no as do 83% of all Americans
    • What is the ideal number of children a family should have?
      I say 2 which was the most popular choice at 43%. The majority actually opted for more.
    • Would you be concerned if the population growth of the United States slowed down and gradually leveled off?
      I say no as do 67% of all Americans
  160. progress2conserve April 23, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    Nice week’s work, JHK. Thanks to you, as always!
    “in fact, so much trouble is roiling under the surface all over the world that it makes you feel seasick on dry land.” -jhk-
    That’s a good one, JHK.
    “The Middle West and North Africa still smolder away like giant root fires.” -jhk-
    DaayUmm! That’s another good one.
    And I’ve seen root fires smoulder for days, before popping up unexpectedly, many feet away, and at the worst possible time. So there, you naysayers and JHK bashers!
    Speaking of which, Wells. Why do you, and a couple of obnoxious others, come to a peak everything website, where many of the posters are preppers or, at least, doom and gloomers – – and express shock, SHOCK I SAY, when you find a certain amount of
    -wait for it-
    Doom and Gloom?
    What has happened to you Welles?
    You were not always such a CFN Pollyanna.
    Why kill our buzz on a Monday, man?

  161. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:50 pm #

    I made some of the answers confusing by taking them as yes/no in relating my answers, sorry. If you follow the link it will all make sense.
    My impression is that the idea of ‘resource depletion‘ remains an odd notion to most Americans. Blind belief in technology is going to do us in.

  162. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    And don’t forget:
    “the wax museum formally known as the Department of Justice.”
    priceless

  163. xhalor April 23, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    “As many of us know there are times when Technology is simply NOT the answer.”
    Even if it is, how much longer is the state of the art going to be sustainable? Definitely tough to plan for.

  164. progress2conserve April 23, 2012 at 10:08 pm #

    Random comments in random order:
    Nice link to the NumbersUSA website, Kdog.
    They need money. They do good work.
    I don’t know why everyone living in the US, and posting on this website, except for ONE well known poster with TIRESOME and REPETITIVELY lodged objections, does not join NumbersUSA immediately.
    Speaking of repetitive, K/Q, I may agree with you about Mika, sometimes. But I have to speak in his defense because he’s OUR Horse’s Ass, here on CFN. And every website needs at least one. So, would you care to elaborate as to why you have made this HA determination regarding Mika, KQ?
    With that said, I still find Mika very interesting. I’d been guessing his age as being in his 20’s, but last week I started to revise this guess upward.
    Mika, you truly come across as someone whose knowledge of the US is based on old USSR propaganda, or old USSR textbooks. Would you mind telling us how old you are?
    Because now I’m guessing 35+.
    And while you are telling us things –
    What’s with you and the snake analogies?
    And do you hate snakes, or do you fear snakes?
    Bill says these are the same emotions, so I’m doing a survey.
    =======================
    And while we are journeying into the Wild Kingdom with Marlin Perkins and MoO –
    Congratulations on the flounder, CharlieFoxtrot.
    She sounds magnificent!

  165. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    “i stated that the primary trend is more food…”
    But you are wrong. The trend to more food has leveled off and is beginning to reverse. We are currently at peak food. The food production system is showing several signs of imminent failure.
    GLOBAL CROP PRODUCTION REVIEW, 2010

  166. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    Even if it is, how much longer is the state of the art going to be sustainable?
    Joseph Tainter gets into this:

    We can’t innovate our way to a sustainable future, Dr Tainter’s evidence led to the inescapable conclusion that technological innovation has reached the point of diminishing returns: “We can continue innovation only by taking resources from other major sections of the economy — for example, health care, defense, transportation, and infrastructure.”

  167. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    I should add that “Too Smart For Our Own Good” covers this subject very well.

  168. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    I’m pretty sure ‘Mascara Snake’ refers to a ‘chick with a dick’ and is a disparaging epithet directed at someone who pretends to be what he is not.

  169. xhalor April 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    The Mascara Snake was the name of Captain Beefheart’s guitar player.

  170. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    Then I was wrong and appreciate the correction.

  171. Buck Stud April 23, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    Anti,
    Did you even bother to check if I was responding to another poster? For the sake of your intellectual reputation please tell me you didn’t. ( And now I know why Asoka uses the ‘Sarcasm On’ font.)

  172. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

    Captain BeefheartSafe As Milk

  173. xhalor April 23, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

    Gotta tell ya Dog. I’ve burned out on this site before, but, today is different. An incredible feeling of revulsion swept over me when this page loaded. I can’t take the racial hatred anymore. I get that in my face almost every day from more people from more places than I care to count. I’ve been harassed more times by cops in the last two weeks than most of you will be in your entire lives. And I still say that there aren’t enough of them in Los Angeles. But the racial attitudes one finds on this site are just appalling. After what I’ve lived through and seen, you will never, ever, EVER get me to believe that integration in the USA ever had a chance. And yeah, I know the multiple personality thing goes on other blogs, but I hate it. I no longer think that the internet is for me.

  174. Buck Stud April 23, 2012 at 11:15 pm #

    “Ask the man in the street this question and the answer will come back as an overwhelming blind belief in technology.”
    I know at least one person on this site who seems very grateful for modern technology. And it doesn’t seem to be a “blind belief” but a real world experience that rescued our host from quite a bit of pain and physical dysfunction. After trying a multitude of alternative therapies/modalities that failed, the wondrous technology of modern orthopedic surgery delivered the goods and prompted the following JHK’s testimonial( as only he could state it):
    “now my left leg rotates very cleanly up and down like a Johnson rod on a choochoo train wheel.”
    http://www.kunstler.com/Mags_hip.html

  175. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    I feel you, racism it is horrible, the only thing worse than experiencing it here is experiencing it firsthand. I had similar feelings last week. Ignorance is somewhat tolerable but the vitriolic hate is really too much to take. If I actually heard someone say some of the things which have been said here in person I think I might lose it and succumb to some serious ass kicking.
    I ended last weeks scroll with this by the way:
    Closing comments concerning the week’s article. I’m not sure JHK has many black friends. I think his idea of assimilation is for American blacks to start talking and acting like white people. If I were black I would not want a friend like that.
    That American blacks have not assimilated into white culture is not surprising. Who wants to assimilate into a culture that is all about screwing your neighbor and getting as much out of the system for yourself as you can? Who wants to aspire to be an asshole?
    Exactly what is there to aspire to about white culture? I sure haven’t seen very much white culture around for quite a while. Rather hard to assimilate into something that does not exist.
    Perhaps fusion into a common culture would be a better idea. Assimilation is what the ‘BORG’ wanted to do to the ‘FEDERATION’ in Star Trek and that was some fucked up repugnant shit.
    Fusion into a common culture. All for one and one for all. I like that idea a lot better.

    Get away for as long as it takes if you need to get right with yourself. Whatever you do don’t let them win.

  176. progress2conserve April 23, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    “Still having kids, this really shows their ignorance about the future. I never had any, and glad of it.” -rick-
    Now, you see, it may not really be that clear-cut (no forestry pun intended), Rick.
    I had two kids, sharing them in common with one female-which is replacement level reproduction.*
    I’ve never regretted having my kids.
    I never will.
    So now I’ve got two grown sons. This gives me two important adult blood kin, who will help me and the rest of the family survive. I will also help them survive, as long as God (god?) and those rascally Powers That Be, allow me breath.
    I hope my two sons each find a good woman, and do replacement level reproduction, themselves. One already has.
    I’m sorry if you couldn’t have kids, Rick.
    It gives you a different perspective on the future. And you sound intelligent and reflective.
    You would have been adding valuable assets to the gene pool for an uncertain future.
    ———————-
    Would somebody tell me why so many of the intelligent and reflective don’t have ANY kids these days –
    While the stupid and uncaring breed like fleas?
    Never mind – I answered my own question.
    *(If every couple had been given the tools to do replacement level reproduction when the Zero Population Growth movement first suggested it in the 1970’s – the world would not be nearly so f*cked up. And not nearly as many of us on Earth would be quite so doomed to early deaths.)

  177. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    More of it should have been in italics.

  178. mika. April 23, 2012 at 11:34 pm #

    Mika, you truly come across as someone whose knowledge of the US is based on old USSR propaganda, or old USSR textbooks.
    ==
    As you already know I traveled the US extensively, and on several occasions. I have many close and very wealthy friends that live on both the Atlantic and Pacific coast. I traveled up and down both coasts. I know the US better than you. Because you only know the US by way of CIA/MSM propaganda. I know it for what it is. What it really is.

  179. k-dog April 23, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    Technology is not bad, blind faith in it is. Especially from those who do not understand it.

  180. progress2conserve April 23, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

    “After what I’ve lived through and seen, you will never, ever, EVER get me to believe that integration in the USA ever had a chance.”
    -xhalor-
    I don’t know, X. I think the country gave it a hell of a try. And we sure caused plenty of psychic damage and physical trauma along the way – to kids both white and black.
    There were ways it could have worked.
    Maybe a longer period of separate AND equal, enforced by the Feds, would have been better than kicking all of us into the maelstrom of the forced integration/forced busing/forced everything of the 1960’s and 70’s.
    Probably if the US had retained more blue collar jobs instead of outsourcing everything – and if we hadn’t brought in all of those immigrants who kicked our native born blacks farther and farther down the jobs ladder, while lowering pay scales.
    And if that verdamned war on drugs hadn’t come to pass, with its greater impact on the minority community.
    And if urban renewal hadn’t torn the heart out of black communities – replacing them with soul-less “projects.” At least this one was well intentioned, anyway. I think.
    And, wow, X, you sound pissed and disgusted.
    I wish you’d elaborate on where you are and why you are experiencing all of that discrimination.
    And I’m sorry X. I’ll miss you if you leave.

  181. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    I knew about the one trip, because you posted all those pics.
    “very wealthy friends…” well, OK, but don’t read too much into that. You know what they say, right?
    “The wealthy are different from the rest of us. They have more money.” that’s an old joke.
    “I know the US better than you.” -mika-
    That’s a logical impossibility, Mika, but you do have a very different perspective – which I have freely admitted that I find very, very interesting – even fascinating.
    You know, the last great hope of humanity may be this Tower of Babel that we refer to as “the internet.”
    I’m trying to make it work, in my own way.
    And, you are too, Mika.
    Here’s to wrestling with you. Cheers!

  182. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 12:09 am #

    AS I’ve said many times before, technology is just a tool. How it and other tools are used by humans will determine whether our outcome is negative or positive.
    Tainter is right – as far as he goes. We presently don’t have the resources to maintain things the way they are for much longer. That’s why we – as a civilization – need to step back and begin to act rationally. We need to ration out the resources we do have to enable us to get by as long as possible while we develop new technology that will be a net gain for us along the path of advancement. I believe that technology will allow us to solve many of today’s issues; I’m not so sanguine about our ability to act rationally to allow us to do so.
    First, we need to grow up as a species – and fast.
    We need to develop a proper sense of perspective: That we are not yet gods; we are not distinct from our planet, but part of it, and mustdepend on its goodwill; that compared to the entire cosmos, we are inconsequential, less than a single atom; the universe can hiccup and end our existence at any instance; gratefulness and humility are necessary attributes for advancement.
    Only if we are mature can we begin to resolve the problems that relentlessly haunt us as surely as an oncoming train in the darkness.

  183. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:36 am #

    “First, we need to grow up as a species – and fast.
    We need to develop a proper sense of perspective:”

    Yes, the faster we grow up as a species the less suffering there will be and the better the chance we will be able to make through and survive. For those who can follow the essential teachings of our great religions and our great teachers (ignoring the fairy tales) enlightening others becomes a mission once the facts of the situation become known. If one has compassion then one has no other choice.
    We could be making great progress in heading for the light but counter currents of ignorance and greed keep so many in the dark.

  184. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:37 am #

    Damn, I hate it when I see errors after I’ve hit submit.

  185. WestCoast April 24, 2012 at 12:47 am #

    Harbin Hotels? Isn’t that where the chickens they serve were eating maggots out of human feces the day before?
    You spam, we play…
    Oh, and bedbugs the size of crickets. Plus the owners blow snot into the soup they serve to westerners. Harbin Hotels, the place to get sick and wish you were back home in bed.

  186. mika. April 24, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    Here’s to wrestling with you.
    ==
    It’s not a contest, PC. And I don’t care to win any contests.
    I’m glad you find my perspective interesting, even fascinating. The reason I post here is that I want you guys to see and understand reality — not the CIA propaganda hologram that you believe to be reality. I also want you to break from your pathetic self-serving lies and passivity. Show a little courage for a change:
    For a start, stop with the lying and the pretending that you have any say in the political affairs of the US. You don’t. And you, as a population of 300 million US citizens, need to fix that!

  187. Nickelthrower April 24, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    Greetings,
    I’m a bit late in my weekly reading of Kunstler and I would normally not respond so late in the day as the posts begin to lean towards desperate insane rants – not all of them but enough that I would feel embarrassed if a friend or family member read them.
    Check out what Fritz wrote:
    The country needs to get back to God. if that means destroying the liberal scum that brought us down then so be it.
    We should be horrified by these words – 100% horrified! Are you paying attention to what you are saying? Are you actually suggesting that the way to solve our problems – peak oil, climate change, pollution, Fukushima, etc is to wage a Holy War here in the United States? Did I hear you correctly?
    Do you actually believe that we need to consult the Bible – consult with people that thought that the Sun was a man driving a golden chariot across the sky and look for our answers from stories taken from the Bronze Age?
    Finally, I could understand if your theory had never been tried and you just happened to believe the crap coming out of your mouth but we have several thousand years worth of RECORDED HISTORY to demonstrate to even the most dullard amongst us just stupid your words actually are.
    I can only suggest that you repeat what you said to me to your pastor. Go ahead, do it.

  188. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 1:16 am #

    “I think the country gave it [integration] a hell of a try.”
    Read your post again. There sure are a lot of “ifs” in there.

  189. asoka. April 24, 2012 at 2:06 am #

    I believe that the collapse/crisis could happen any day.
    -===========
    Egypt, Israel, EBC, Spain, etc
    TSHTF Thursday at three.
    Al Qaeda will be justified in using nukes against us according to rhino to prevent millions more muslim deaths. Rhino says that use of nukes is legitimate in war to “save lives” and the precedent has been set by the USA

  190. MADMAX April 24, 2012 at 3:00 am #

    That’s what George Bush had when they told him about the twin towers on 9-11-2001: a Kardashian trance.

  191. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 4:03 am #

    Where Whites ever polled as to whether they wanted their Nation given away? You believe in Democracy, right? What do you think they would have said? Or what they would stil say?
    As for Blacks, the more freedom they were given, the more savagely they acted. They simply aren’t like us and they can’t be made to be like us. Nor do we have the right to force them – which is impossible anyway as events have shown.
    They want something of their own deep down. But most are too self indulgent to turn away from the gravy train. And their leaders encourage this dependency. Congressman West was thrown out of the NAACP today for answering the same question put to Joe McCarthy. That shows the orientation of the NAACP – Poverty Pimps.

  192. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 4:05 am #

    How bout that Metta World Peace (Ron Artest). He has forfeited the Title – it should go to you now. Some Black should always have this Title – the incongruity is sublime!

  193. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 4:10 am #

    George Washington said as much too. He made it clear that most people need religion in order to be good. The exceptions are few: men deeply educated and strangely formed to paraphrase him.
    Laws are based on values which are based on Religion. Yes some Atheists are very moral people – the strangely formed. But once it becomes a mass movement – as it is becoming – watch out. Out will come the knives for Believers. In other words, it then becomes another relgion, a false one, an intolerant one, a violent one.

  194. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 8:14 am #

    “Where Whites ever polled as to whether they wanted their Nation given away?”
    Don’t know, Vlad. Did anyone bother to poll the Sioux?

  195. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:15 am #

    where are your counterblows to my 3 propositions???
    -welles
    I find your attitude undeserving of any kind of serious reply.
    You don’t have “propositions”; you have hardened “statements” that you obviously want to continue to stand by until the mega-trend runs out its’ string.
    I’m not in a climate that will forgive that kind of procrastination, sorry.
    I don’t find your cornucopian ideas or observations useful to me, and sometimes that is the beginning and end of it. I apologize if you should find that outrageously narrow-minded, but there it is.
    Plant your flowers and be well and happy. I dub thee citizen of the world, not my neighbor.

  196. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    Haw!
    If there was a polling company at the time, they probably would have taken their sampling from the few tribes that had agreed to sell their birthright for thundersticks, steel hatchets and power over their enemies. “Such a deal!”
    The Sioux were the terrorists and insurgents of the time [thus too dangerous to poll], and gatling-guns and cannon were the solution.
    “Civilizationnnn…. HO-oooo!”






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  197. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    X.,
    This ought to clear up EVERYTHING!
    (Glad to be of help. ;o)






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  198. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    When I speak to my juniors here in Los Angeles, I detect an increasing ignorance (possibly indifference) to the act of genocide that it took to create the United Snakes of Armenia.

  199. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    Sigh. Ron has…..personal problems.
    One more thing, Vlad.
    GO LAKERS!!!

  200. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    I wonder if this guy is a “trial balloon” for Mittens’ VP choice.
    “We have to understand when tolerance becomes a one-way street, it will lead to cultural suicide and we should not allow the Muslim Brotherhood-associated groups to be influencing our national security strategy,”
    -allen west-
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75466.html#ixzz1sxjMa3Ap

  201. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    STOP! All I had do was see the album jacket. I have literally worn copies of that record smooth. Some people memorize the Koran, I memorize the Firesign Theatre. Hey, I wanted to thank you for the video about destroying the piano with a sledgehammer. I used to have a 1910 Steinway upright grand. Ivory keys completely intact. Beautiful…..until you had to move it. I lost at least one friend because of that. I fantasized about sledgehammers….
    I was having a REALLY shitty day until saw that. Thanks again, man.

  202. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    “your post again. There sure are a lot of “ifs” in there.” – waiting to Xhale –
    X, you posited that integration is a failed experiment, that was destined to never work. Every one of my “ifs” was in support of your contention.
    Again, I’d encourage you to share with this anonymous forum, the reasons WHY you think you are being harassed.
    Maybe someone can help you.

  203. welles April 24, 2012 at 9:27 am #

    I dub thee citizen of the world, not my neighbor.
    thanks for the compliment, you’re right in that i see the world as a place with problems that makes some good attempts to righten matters.
    in any case, i’m a very good neighbor – all good acts start in your house & next door, then two doors over etc.
    peace peaceniks

  204. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    “…WHY you think you are being harassed.”
    Oh, I’m definitely being harassed. All of the transient and semi-transient people I know get harassed. That’s just Business As Usual. If you’re a beat cop, you have to make “stops”. Stops, stops, stops. Lots and lots of ‘em. And the “outside people” are, for the most part, some pretty soft targets. You don’t have necessarily have to make arrests, but you better make stops if you want to get promoted. No secret there.

  205. ozone April 24, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    I dub thee citizen of the world, not my neighbor. -(me)
    thanks for the compliment, you’re right in that i see the world as a place with problems that makes some good attempts to righten matters. -welles
    Glad you took it in the sense intended, and hopefully you can see why I’m incapable of commenting on your local situations as well.

  206. ozone April 24, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    X.,
    For God’s sake, get the police on this immediately!
    Oh….. shit……
    “To serve and protect [your Overlords].”

  207. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 10:00 am #

    That’s “To Swerve and Reject”

  208. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 10:02 am #

    “It’s not a contest, PC. And I don’t care to win any contests.” -mika-
    Everything is a contest, Mika. You and I are having a contest of ideas. Asoka wants Al Qaeda to use nuclear weapons in a contest against the West. After that, any survivors will be having contests with rocks and sticks. It’s human nature. We contend as much as we cooperate.
    And you are fascinating. Just the fact that you are Russian, and Jewish, and an emigre to Israel, should be fascinating enough for normal people. How’s the weather over there? What do you do every day? What does a loaf of bread cost?
    Of course, we’re not normal people, you and I. And the anonymity of the internet magnifies differences.
    You are fascinating because you express such blatant and unapologetic racism. It is fascinating that very few people on this forum even seem to detect this racism – much less call you on it.
    It’s fascinating that you have wealthy friends on both US coasts. Presumably they are also Russian Jewish emigres. How did they become so wealthy?
    How did they get to the US?
    Do they not benefit from the American system of politics and business as it is presently constituted, and attempt to influence it?
    It’s fascinating that you think all Truth resides with you and your Tribe – and that all Evil resides inside the Vatican, the CIA, or the US.
    It is fascinating that others seem to share this belief, especially when they are native born citizens of the United States who have only ONE overriding reason for posting as though you are always right, and their home country is always wrong.
    Fascinating.

  209. charliefoxtrot April 24, 2012 at 10:05 am #

    …wtftstfizzat…?! shirley? motherfucker, i dunno what yer major malfunction is; but i know i aint the cause of it…and in ‘real’ life, you don t want me to BE (sorry, no italics) it…vlad i am most assuredly not; and i can t for the life of me figure why you seem to think so- what-evahr…i know i m having the most fun- speaking of which, ha ha, she just woke up, and i suddenly have something better to do with my time: prayer meeting for me! i ll just use this reply to say to ptwoc- hey man, thanks magnificent is a great word to describe her…we ll both be doing our best to make this one work; heather uses such language to describe her feelings for me, and well, the mental/spiritual connection is here as well…greetings and salutations to zone & bill et al

  210. Widespreadpanic7 April 24, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    Xhalor:
    X: you come across as a pretty smart guy, but stuck in LA being harassed by beat cops. Question: Why nor take yourself out of that lousy ant heap, go to a small town or rural area somewhere? Get into farming or take up some skill or craft. None of my business I know. Just a suggestion.
    –WSP7

  211. Widespreadpanic7 April 24, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    Mika, been meaning to ask you, have you sen the film ‘Vengeance’ with Daniel Craig, about the Bielski Brothers in Belarus in WW2? Its a true story. Did it get much play in Israel? I thought it was a great movie.
    –WSP7

  212. asoka. April 24, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    I did not want nuclear weapons to exist or ever be used. But a white man preordained that eventually they will be used against the USA.

  213. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    Another thing. You say it didn’t work out so well. Well that’s one view. There’s another view: that it worked out quite well. Some examples: South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Germany, whole swathes of Eastern Europe and even now China look hell bent on Americanizing. Some say that China is the world’s largest English speaking country.
    These places are not totally “American” and never will be. Some old ways die hard or not at all. But they’ve cast off some of their old ways and adopted new ways, adopted some “free market” methods and democratized their politics to greater or lesser degrees. Who did they take as their example?
    Look at it from the point of view of someone busting his ass in a rice paddy in South Korea in 1960, skinny, sick, hungry. They hear about America, see pictures of the cars Americans drive, the houses they live in, the refigerators they use and they ask why the hell can’t we have that here?
    Put yourself in the shoes of someone in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. It’s not as if they were ignorant of the differences in the quality of people’s lives on either side of the Iron Curtain. Just talk to the people that lived during that time in those places. It’s not as if they’re incommunicado. Some moved to the USA. It isn’t as if they’re hiding. It’s taken as doctrine especially by Americans that the world hates the USA. It’s not as black and white as American America-haters think. Some people in some countries for good and bad reasons hate Americans. But many take the opposite view. Has anyone bothered to ask people in Poland how they feel?
    What’s the difference between South Korea and North Korea? Same peninsula, same language, same people. It’s not just a rhetorical question, the differences in their respective qualities of life is huge.

  214. mika. April 24, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    You don’t need to ask me about prices or the weather in Israel. That information is available to you in real time, snake.
    As far as my US friends, they do not vote in elections because they all know it’s nonsense and an empty show. We share the same point of view regards the US, because we all read the same Soviet books regards the US. Yeah, that’s it.
    How did they become wealthy? Well, I might have exaggerated. They are not that wealthy. Basically, upper middle class. Healthcare professionals and engineers. They live comfortably enough, but they are not what you call movers and shakers and have no political connections. Everything they have, they earned on their own merit through hard work and study. It was not given to them by way of political graft like it was/is given to you, snake.

  215. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    “i dunno what yer major malfunction is; but i know i aint the cause of it…and in ‘real’ life, you don t want me to BE (sorry, no italics) it.
    Oh PLEEZ come on down to my neighborhood and BE my major malfunction. In real life.

  216. mika. April 24, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    Sorry, I have not. I just can’t watch these type of movies. But I’m familiar with the plot. I think it was popular in Israel, but I really can’t say for sure. I stopped watching tv, or listening to the radio, or reading newspapers a ver long time ago. It’s all CIA propaganda, particularly the Israeli media outlets.

  217. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 11:14 am #

    “…It’s all CIA propaganda”
    How do you know it’s not NSA propoganda. Or Naval Intelligence propoganda. Or, the woistest of the woist, FOX News propoganda.

  218. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    “Al Qaeda will be justified in using nukes against us according to rhino to prevent millions more muslim deaths. Rhino says that use of nukes is legitimate in war to “save lives” and the precedent has been set by the USA – Assoka
    Only if you’re standing at ground zero.
    Hey asshole, we all need a good laugh this morning. Tell us what you would have advised Harry Truman had you been in the halls of the wise and mighty in 1944-1945.
    And just for once see if you can make it not sound like a brain dead recitation of ideological talking points from a flat-lining ideologue. That should make it sound even funnier.
    An obvious point that needs to be made (not to you asshole but to others who may be reading this post): nuclear science was not and is not the preserve of just one country and one society. Lots of bright people in many places were/are capable of developing and mastering the principles. Had the US declined to develop and use nukes against Japan and instead embarked on other courses of action ie a full scale invasion or a negotiated peace – would that have stopped the development of nuclear weapons and possible use by other countries/societies? I think that reasonable people using reason and fair and reasonable judgement could conclude that it would just be a matter of time before a number of countries were in possession. Nuclear proliferation was just a matter of time IOW.
    Canada provided India with nuclear technology which India swore on their mothers’ graves would never be used to develop atomic bombs. And what happened? That set the stage for Pakistan to obtain its own. The obvious point here (except maybe to America haters, witless ideologues or self absorbed, blinkered nationalist narcissists) is that there are many actors in this world with their own interests that will do what they will do regardless of what Americans think or want or dictate.

  219. mika. April 24, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    Them are lower down the corporate pyramid. Actually, it’s all Vatican propaganda. The CIA being a subsidiary of the Vatican. Same as the banks, the corporations, and the gov mafia.

  220. mika. April 24, 2012 at 11:22 am #

    Canada provided India with nuclear technology
    ==
    And who the fuck is Canada? It’s the US by another name.

  221. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 11:37 am #

    I don’t have another good answer to whether or not we should have nuked Japan. – Bean
    Bravo Bean. That’s my point. We work in a world of incomplete and fragmentary information where the future isn’t known. IMO this was far from being a cut and dried issue justifying thundering denuciations of “moral depravity”. This was a terrible problem and an awful dilemma. Keep in mind that tens of millions had already died and nobody wanted a repeat performance a generation hence. Nobody wanted a WW3 to grow out of WW2 as WW2 grew out of WW1. Truman may have not been a deep thinker but I could see deep and wise thinkers coming to the same conclusion as Truman. I can also see deep and wise thinkers going in other directions.
    “Did the US believe that no other country could ever develop them?” – Bean
    Precisely my point in my previous post.
    Regardless of whether the US developed and used nukes, nuclear science was an ongoing process in places other than the US. Too prideful to think that other people in other places were incapable of developing nukes. The Germans were as were the Japanese. Would the Soviets have do so? Well, just look at the number of Soviet “firsts” in their own space program. You were alive then and so was I. Did they look like dummies to you?

  222. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    Maybe I’m behind the times but do they still do lobotomies? What about electro-shock therapy? You might want to ask your doctor.

  223. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Correction: Would the Soviets have do so?
    should be: Would the Soviets have done so?

  224. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    “The CIA being a subsidiary of the Vatican.”
    Interesting. Given my dire situation, I have to wonder, how can I become a subsidiary of the Vatican?

  225. mika. April 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    It’s amazing how people are so blind and stupid. When was the last time Canada said NO to the US and told the US to fuck off? That’s right, not in your lifetime, you goddamn hoser.

  226. mika. April 24, 2012 at 12:01 pm #

    You already are. You just don’t know it.

  227. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    You really make me laugh. You’re a real psycho. Get help.
    But tell me, what would Israel be if not for the US backstopping it?

  228. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    Canadians in my experience have always had an attitude of acting like Americans when it suits them and acting like Canadians when it suits them better. All my life I have worked next to Canadians and competed with them for jobs. They can freely enter the U.S. and work. It is not a reciprocal arrangement. While I dislike this particular hypocritical attitude Canadians are actually very friendly nice people. They are very welcoming to people with money.

  229. Rhino April 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm #

    The invasion of Iraq. Moron.

  230. Nickelthrower April 24, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    Yes some Atheists are very moral people – the strangely formed. But once it becomes a mass movement – as it is becoming – watch out. Out will come the knives for Believers. In other words, it then becomes another relgion, a false one, an intolerant one, a violent one.
    Vlad, I disagree. The vast majority of people do not believe in Bigfoot and have no desire to attack the people that do. This is also true for Unicorns, Aliens and Leprechauns – as their supporters do not have to fear armed mobs.
    I’ve heard this argument before that not believing in religion is somehow a religion. The argument is flawed and borders on the absurd. Finally, guys like Fritz would love to have the government mandate religion because he or she can not stand the fact that the youth are abandoning this silly superstition. I’m glad that I’ve lived long enough to witness the beginning of the end of it. It can’t happen fast enough.

  231. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    “Did the US believe that no other country could ever develop them [nukes]?”
    The development of weapons of mass destruction was always a matter of time. Do you ever wonder what would have happened in WWII if the Allies hadn’t developed it first? The real crime was the carpet bombing of Tokyo. And it didn’t work. Analysis of recorded warfare will almost always reveal that if you want to win the war (especially the really big ones), you drag your best weapon out and let ‘em have it.

  232. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    How did everyone start talking about nukes? Don’t tell me. I already know the answer. The question is for you.
    Watch out for the poison meat. There are dissemblers here who use poison meat knowing meat is very hard for dogs to resist.

  233. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    IMO this was far from being a cut and dried issue…
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    Kudos to Rhino for NOT writing dry.

  234. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    It’s said that dog can be a very fine meal. Watch out for your pets folks. Coyotes and Asians are salivating.

  235. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Remember, scientists back then were often like Oppenheimer: seeing the World as One as themselves as higher humanity – midwives of the transformation and destined to become the Priests of the New Order. They often shared this information freely to foreign graduate students never for a moment considering that they would go home and use it develop weapons. Only evil Whites, particularly White Americans, wanted to hurt people.
    From what I’ve heard, that’s how China got it. Once the basics are known, the weapons application is not hard. What’s hard is getting the material. That they got thru bribery and/or theft.

  236. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

    You know you made a reference to MS Dog the other day. Did you mean Microsoft Dog? And you think your cell phone gives you a hard time…

  237. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

    And to avoid becoming a meal smart dogs keep their ears up remain vigilant knowing that coyotes can pretend friendship. Human flesh is preferred among cannibals. This is a lesson all dogs should pay attention too.

  238. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    My wife.

  239. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 12:52 pm #

    Read some Cult Experts like Steven Hassan, ex Moonie. He talks about how when he was kidnapped to be deprogrammed, he began to horribly abuse his father who was driving. He considered trying to break his neck. (I admit all this is very problematic from a Civil Rights Perspective). When his father, an old school guy, began to weep this shook him and awakened a bit of his humanity.
    Anyway, he and others freely admit that political groups can take on a full cultic aspect. Communist Parties are notorious for this. Lyndon Larouche people are incredibly bizarre – total zombies.
    So – no sir. My contention about Atheism is no stretch at all. Just wait. And also, I wonder who is behind the huge Ad Campaign in England. Things like that cost alot of money. In America, the Elite use the great Foundations to fund things that take us where they want to go. The Rockefeller Foundation funded Kinsey and the nascent Homosexual Movement. Kinsey studied serial pedophiles too – even helping to set up liasions.

  240. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    ears up and remain vigilant

  241. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    “My wife.”
    …and you think your cell phone gives you a hard time.
    …deja vu

  242. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Well, that goes with the territory and something all dogs must deal with. Thankfully there is more than one kind of hard time.

  243. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm #

    The webpage really does need a rimshot button.

  244. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    :)

  245. mika. April 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    The invasion of Iraq. Moron.
    ==
    Really? Why don’t you try again.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

  246. mika. April 24, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    But tell me, what would Israel be if not for the US backstopping it?
    ==
    Why don’t you tell where the Jihadis be without the US backstopping them? I’ll tell where they’d be. They’d be riding their fucking camels in the deserts of China. Or served as Chinese soup in Shanghai.

  247. mika. April 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    tell ^me where the Jihadis be

  248. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

    I can’t stop wondering why the rest of the world doesn’t just run the US Military out of the Middle East. If all of the concerned parties acted in concert, it could be done. Oh yeah, it would be REAL messy. But doable. So, why don’t they?

  249. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    Now add to this the fact that 40% of American Billionaires are Jewish. Now is there any wonder we have a hostile Elite? In other words, the distaste our native Elite already had for ordinary Americans (many of them were Anglophiles) got a tremendous shot in the arm when the Jews rose to power and began to associate with the old Elite. This was speeded up by the fact that it had already happened in Great Britain.
    There was an Nativist Elite who opposed the Jewish rise to power and their call to open the borders. They held them back in the 1920’s. The Jews were furious: they basically wanted every Jew in the world to have the right to come here. But money talks and the Nativist Elite just could not compete with the Judeo Masonic Alliance and their control over the Media, the Rotary, the Chamber of Commerce etc. The Jews did the heavy lifting but they could not have won without the cooperation of the big WASP money.

  250. anti soak April 24, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    Mika, have the Vatican Siths infiltrated Israel?

  251. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    My wife.
    ==========
    The confusion, as you no doubt know, has two causes:
    1. Using an upper case S (MS) where it should be lower case (Ms)
    2. In, for example, a business situation where your wife’s marital status is unknown or irrelevant it is proper to use the title Ms in an introduction but when YOU are introducing or speaking of your wife the title should be Mrs Dog.

  252. mika. April 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Now add to this the fact that 40% of American Billionaires are Jewish.
    ==
    Complete bullshit. The people with real money are never on that bullshit Forbes list. And the Jews that are on that list are double triple quadruple counted, if not more. It’s complete bullshit.

  253. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Yeah Ok, some of that is fine. Ideas cross borders and nothing can stop them. But here’s the point: they East Asians chose how much of our Ways to take on. The Japanese System is quite different – and very sophisticated. It only seems to be American. I’ll send you a great article if you’re interested.
    So why did East Asia get to choose how much Capitalism and not us? Why do we have to open our borders just to please Big Business? Send our jobs to China just for Big Business? Some of this happens in Japan too, but I think they intend to take care of their people one way or another. I saw a video once of a Japanese Executive apologizing to his emplyees after they the factory was about to relocate to the Phillipines. The Executive was bowing and weeping as he confessed how he failed them. Can you imagine that here? (Japanese are said to be very emotional underneath the stoical exterior – deep emotion is permissable only in extreme situations)
    I agree with what Anders Breivik said in his statment the other day: White Nations should adopt a “Europe First, America First” policy just as East Asia has. And if the Big Coroporations don’t like it, they can go to hell. Let new Entrepreneurs and Companies come forward who will work with the People – and be greatful for the opportunity.

  254. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    Exactly Mika. The whole Jewish Schtick only works when Jews are seen as a small, oppressed people. As Joe Sobran said when he was fired from National Review: the Jews say portray us as a small weak people – or we will destroy you.
    Israel is an albatross around your necks. It has awakened countless people in Europe to your real nature. It is begining to awaken Americans too.
    Jews are the richest people on Earth. The Rothschilds alone controll much of the Earth’s wealth.

  255. mika. April 24, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    The Rothschilds are stewards of the Vatican. Rothschild, meaning Red Shield, is a symbol of the protection of the Vatican. They are the Vatican’s money managers. A convenient “shield” and a facade behind which the Vatican hides its ugly finances. If that was not the case, the Rothschilds would be long dead. Murdered.
    But you know all this, and you continue with your lies.

  256. Buck Stud April 24, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    “That’s why we – as a civilization – need to step back and begin to act rationally. We need to ration out the resources we do have to enable us to get by as long as possible while we develop new technology that will be a net gain for us along the path of advancement.”
    In principle I agree with you Bill, but I wonder how rationing would be received in the real world -not that it’s not already occurring in many instances.
    Take hip replacement surgery for example. By current estimates a hip replacement lasts for 10-15 years, in general. After that it’s hip revision surgery time, especially if the original hip replacement was done on a relatively young person, say in their 50s.
    At this point do we tell them tough luck and here’s a wheelchair? Does the person needing the hip revision surgery just shrug as say “oh well, it’s my time to ration”. Not a chance. No, the rationing will only happen after I “get me some of that revision surgery” and not a moment before (the same thing goes for bypass surgery, etc, etc, etc). Multiply that sentiment by millions of people and one begins to realize that talk about the “rational” rationing of technology, and people embracing it, is probably the most irrational discussion a person can have. It simply cuts against the grain of human nature.
    No, human beings are going to push the envelope till it’s more flimsy than a roll of ‘Dollar Store’ toilet paper; and wipe their ass with bare hands that will inevitably be held in prayer at Mother of Invention time.

  257. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Kyoostik,
    Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of DIVA and the proper worship of a goddess. To avoid confusion in the future it will be Ms-Dog.
    Ms was introduced by feminists years ago as the use of Mrs. and Miss was sexist as it identified marital status. The use of Mr. never identified marital status. I give it to Ms-dog because I consider men and women to be equal. I asked her and she said either way would be fine and that I could do whatever I thought best.
    Being familiar with the proper worship of a goddess I knew what to do.

  258. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    What do you think the real unemployment level is -in terms of all able bodied people? They play with it in all kinds of ways. Rush says one of the ways not usually talked about is to lower the number of possible jobs to lower the rate.

  259. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Since the discovery of petroleum as a useful product, when has a western power planted it’s army in the oil rich parts of the Middle East without starting a disastrous war? Why isn’t there one now? When you look at American military deployments in that part of the world, it looks like we’re getting ready just to grab the whole thing. And no war? Well this is…new. Is it the nuclear deterrent? I hope not. Because if it is, we are playing a game of inches now. I don’t think that’s it. Which can only mean that there IS an international group of people somewhere on this planet making deals with money and petroleum that is outside the average man’s understanding of the process. Either way, we are running out of time and need to demand an explanation of this historical phenomena from the world’s leaders. ALL of the world’s leaders.

  260. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of DIVA
    ===============
    I will be married to the same woman for 39 years next month so I am well aware of the DIVA concept.
    As titles go for women the worst is Ma’am. Try this: Introduce your wife to a friend that your wife has never met. Instruct your friend in advance to respond “How do you do Ma’am.” Guaranteed she will tell you later, in private, how much that pissed her off.

  261. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    I wonder how rationing would be received in the real world -not that it’s not already occurring in many instances.
    ==============
    Rationing happens every second of every day. It is done via money. Why do you think everyone (except Asoka, if you believe that BS) prefers having more money rather than less.

  262. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    “Try this”
    No way, I would not do that to a friend. It could only lead to tension later on and its never good to have an angry DIVA. Dark clouds can lead to thunderstorms. You have seven years on me.

  263. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    If it is fair and applies to everyone acceptance is not only possible it would be embraced by a healthy society. If it is unfair it won’t be tolerated at all.
    Rationing by money only works by making people think it is fair or if the people can be convinced that there is no need for rationing. If people begin to see the need to ration resources and then perceive rationing by money as being unfair the only way people with money can keep things going is to rule with an iron fist.
    Fair rationing applied to all means we solve our problems and the human experiment continues with dignity. Rule with an iron fist leads to a long dark age after which any people left live life as we did 7000 years ago.
    I think I just determined that the only way to keep the existing power structure in place is to keep people ignorant. If so this might explain quite a few things.

  264. Michigan Native April 24, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    The fact of the matter was that Japan’s military had ran out of oil and its airforce was reduced to nothing, its infrastructure was bombed into the stone age and its people starving, a naval blockade would have forced them to surrender without using the bomb. I don’t think the decision was at all agonizing for Truman, rather, I think they were eager to try out their new toy.
    In all fairness, if the Japs or Hitler had the bomb, they would have not hesitated to use it either. Humans really don’t deserve to inhabit this planet when you think about it

  265. Michigan Native April 24, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Russia is supposedly massing troops on its southern border in anticipation of a US and/or Israeli strike on Iran. China’s top military have been quoted as saying “the US has to be confronted militarily”, and Russia agreed in principal. Nothing good will come out of this. Suppose we bomb Iran into the stone age. Iran and other OPEC nations, already leary of a declining US dollar, become enraged. They enter into long term barter agreements with the Chinese, who are very thirsty for that remaining 50% of oil that mostly lays in the Middle East. The US gets locked out of the international oil trade, gone is the 2/3 of energy that we need to import from OPEC nations. Sooner or later, this is all but guaranteed to happen. Military intervention in Iran will directly or indirectly drive the US out of the region. Without the 2/3 of energy we have relied on from OPEC nations, there is no way the staggering amounts of energy needed to maintain the military, let alone wage warfare, will be there.

  266. asoka. April 24, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    Why do you think everyone (except Asoka, if you believe that BS) prefers having more money rather than less.
    ===================
    You must lead a sheltered life. Because you value money so much, you incorrectly think “everyone” does. There are so many things in life that have value but have nothing to do with money.

  267. Michigan Native April 24, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    The geological reality is that we do not have any surplus capacity to become an energy exporter. US oil production peaked in the 70s. We now must import 2/3 of our energy needs from countries who hate us for decades of military bullying. World wide oil production peaked in 2005. The world’s reserves are in terminal decline. As the dollar dilutes before it collapses, those OPEC nations have been talking about dumping the US dollar for their oil and will be more than glad to as the collapse of the US accelerates. Point is, that idea that the US will become an energy exporter is a total lie and has no physical basis in reality

  268. Michigan Native April 24, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    The Soviets lost 22 million people bringing Hitler to his knees. Without them, many people would be speaking German who would otherwise prefer not to. We are damned lucky they didn’t vaporize their adversaries. They had every right to

  269. Michigan Native April 24, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Actual unemployment rate is now at least 20%, probably closer to 25%. Like the poverty level, the government can sugar coat the numbers to try to hide the magnitude of the disasters they create. The “official” debt level, according to the government, is 14 trillion dollars. They can get away with this by not factoring in “entitlement” programs. When medicare, social security, veteran’s benefits are factored into the debt equation, some argue that the ACTUAL level of debt is a staggering 140 trillion dollars, ten times more than the “official” government figure. Kiss your retirement goodbye, and probably any access to healthcare. Wait until the austerity programs get slashed after they steal people’s retirement savings. The vets are already getting screwed, there are no jobs for them and their suicide rate has gone through the roof. All signs of an impending complete and total collapse of the US

  270. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    Still sounds like a tough call to me. Immediately exterminate 200K+, or slowly starve an entire nation, possibly crippling the country for an even longer period.

  271. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 5:18 pm #

    Like you, I also suspect that US Government was just “dying” to see what the goddamn thing was gonna do.

  272. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm #

    “Suppose we bomb Iran into the stone age.”
    I don’t think that we’re going to get the chance. I think that as soon as we start dropping bombs on Iran, we’re going to get attacked on many fronts. Dogpile. A big, steamin’, INTERNATIONAL dogpile.

  273. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    You live in fear of your “equal”. It’s a joke you cry! Nay, but many a true word was spoken in jest.
    Civilization is Patriarchy and Patriarchy is Civilization – or at least the begining of it. It certainly cannot grow from the shallow roots of Matriarchy.

  274. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm #

    Vlad, my Mom says you’re full of shit.

  275. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    It all could be if not solved, at least ameliorated with one blow: a crusade against the illegals begining with e-verify. That not one of the candidates will state the life saving obvious shows how deep the rot goes. Not even Ron Paul has his head straight on this one.
    Countless millions of jobs could be freed up leading to a small renaissance if combined with the renounciation of foreign aid – a vile and unconstitutional practice, and a gereral fiscal tightening of the belt.
    For the rest, it would take time. A lowering of Corporate Tax to woo Corporations back etc. Many wouldn’t come back since coolie labor is so profitable. Perhaps tariffs against “our” own companies who deal against us? In any case, this kind of Capitalism (unprincipled) has alot of contradictions. Man is not supposed to live by bread alone and society is not supposed to be a dog eat dog Darwinian Jungle.
    But I’m a realist – I expect none of this. Dis Aster the Red Star of War looms in the East. And the Four Horsemen are already mounted and on their way.

  276. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    She’s a woman and therefore not my intellectual or moral equal in 99% of cases. So who cares?

  277. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    If it is fair and applies to everyone acceptance is not only possible it would be embraced by a healthy society. If it is unfair it won’t be tolerated at all.
    ===============
    Shoulda coulda woulda. Do you (and Asoka) seriously believe Cheney waited his turn in the heart transplant queue (Q, kyoo, cue)?
    Sorry for having to be the flinty-eyed realist… somebody around this liberal/progressive dreamworld has to do it.
    There’s an expression that’s been around since money was invented: “Money talks, bullshit walks.”

  278. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    Why Vlad? Why?






  279. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Loving each other brings us together but what keeps us together is: I treat her right she treats me right. She treats me right I treat her right. The basic principle can be extended to everyone and is called the golden rule. Calling Matriarchy shallow shows you despise women and cannot understand the concept of equality, a prerequisite for appreciating the golden rule and true love. If you are a real person you must be very lonely for you have placed yourself beyond the circle of normal human interaction.

  280. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    would be embraced by a healthy society.
    The disclaimer is there and clear. In a healthy society a Cheney would not be able to rise to a position where he had any power over others and thus would have no choice but to stay in the que and accept it. Concerning money, I have walked away from it when my own principles were compromised.
    Cheney is the product of the military industrial complex. When evil men are in charge bad shit happens. Not all men are evil, we should try placing a few of them in charge and see what happens. A healthy society would do so.
    You need not be sorry for being a flinty-eyed realist, your not.

  281. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    I was talking rational actions, Buck. The real world either turns rational or it perishes.
    Of course you are right, Buck. The way things are now, society wouldn’t ration resources, it would be a mess. That’s why I said we have to grow up.
    I read somewhere on-line yesterday that assuming nothing changes from where it’s at today, the Social Security trust fund will be
    gone by 2035; otherwise a 25% reduction in benefits will be necessary. The trust fund was actually broke some time ago, but the government put IOU’s in the drawer saying we’ll pay it back.
    Medicare is due to be broke by 2024, and Social Security disability benefits by 2016. It’s politically untenable to reduce SS benefits by 25%, so what may happen is that the government issues more IOUs, thus increasing the national debt, and annual interest payments as a % of GDP.
    Using your example, say I need a new hip. I have medicare now, so all or most of the cost will be paid by the government. But there will not be enough money available in the future for the Feds to pay for it. So let’s say the total cost is $50,000. The first rationing step would be to cut benefits, so maybe I have to pay $25,000 out of my pocket, and the government pays $25,000. Today, I could pay that, so I’d go for the new hip. But what if I needed another hip replacement or 2 knee replacements? Maybe I couldn’t afford them and I’d have to spend the rest of my life hobbling around in pain. But that’s the way it goes.
    My point is, no matter what we decide to do, mathematics and harsh reality will make us take the road they want us to follow, whether we like it or not.

  282. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    Matriarchy means rule by women. So how is that the equality you laud? But you are right: Feminists don’t believe in equality anymore – if they ever did.
    They obviously consider women better – it’s right below the surface and talked about openly on their own sites, conferences, and ovulars.
    There is a plan to reduce men to 10% of the population.

  283. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    harsh reality will make us take the road they want us to follow
    Then it is time they are replaced so the problem can be fixed.
    they have been fighting wars and spending money far too long. they have passed out $12,000,000,000,000 to rich people since quObama has been in office.
    If that number is not right somebody correct me.

  284. Buck Stud April 24, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    Bill,
    Since we’re talking rational actions within the context of your envisioned scenario, why waste any health-care money whatsoever on the elderly? Wouldn’t that money be better spent providing free health-care for debt-laden young workers toiling away at Starbucks? I mean, prioritizing certainly seems like an aspect of rationality and what could be a higher societal priority than taking care of the young and productive? Let’s face it Bill: we just can’t afford universal health care for the elderly anymore. It’s time to totally cut them off and let the crocodiles of societal inevitability have an African river feast since the only “rational” solution seems to be a return to dog-eat-dog ethos, i.e., ” harsh reality” and “whether we like it or not”.
    Also lacking in your view of the situation is the obscene disparity between the classes that has been expanded and amplified since the Reagan Revolution. A truly rational approach would be to resurrect the tax rates from the 50s and 60s in order to cushion the transition from largesse to scarcity.
    But that’s out of the question too.They’re are simply too many right-wing dildos listening to Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

  285. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

    It’s good that you have devotion to your mother though. Like all Fascists, I see this as Woman’s greatest calling and one worthy of reverence by men if done well. And how much more by her own son? Marc takes care of his Mother – a natural recompense for she who bore him and cared for him. Thus the circle of life is completed. All Civilizations worthy of the name promote such fillial devotion.
    What is more beautiful than a woman with her child? It’s Leftists that are anti-life with their abortion cult.

  286. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    Back at you, your words:
    “You live in fear of your “equal”. It’s a joke you cry! Nay, but many a true word was spoken in jest.
    Civilization is Patriarchy and Patriarchy is Civilization – or at least the begining of it. It certainly cannot grow from the shallow roots of Matriarchy.”

    The only one talking about Matriarchy or Patriarchy is you. I only point out that in your statement you despise women.
    So how is that the equality you laud?
    It is just fine, I have not advocated anything else. You have.
    Your attempt to dissemble has failed. You should really work on your bag of tricks, they are very lame.
    Charlie Brown
    But why am I talking to you, your not real.

  287. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:19 pm #

    dog-eat-dog
    Not good, not good. We don’t want any of that.

  288. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    K-Dog, I take responsibility for being too vague with my pronouns. The “they” to which I was referring was mathematics and harsh reality. Sorry.

  289. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm #

    I believe in mathematics and reality but they have a vested interest in keeping it from us.
    I believe the news you encountered quickly added that benefits needed to be cut or payroll taxes would have to be raised. I know the report I heard did. There was a clear agenda. The ‘news’ was a cherry picked tidbit meant to scare confuse and manipulate. It was intended to manipulate public opinion.

  290. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    I heard it on the radio. Different source, same propaganda.

  291. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    K-dog reports that an increase in the capital gains tax will keep social security solvent far into the foreseeable future.
    I like my propaganda better.

  292. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:00 pm #

    Thank you for completing my thought on this – I was producing a post that was too long, so I stopped where I did. Yes, at some point (now? 5 years?) we’ll have to mostly eliminate health care for seniors. I say mostly because some reasonably inexpensive medical care could save some elders’ lives. Some medical treatments only prolong suffering in terminal illnesses, whether one is old or not, like incurable cancer.
    I want to live for a long time – but I am approaching old age. Not there yet, but not too far off; Millenials would probably consider me a geezer. I’m not ready to lower my standard of living by accepting physical infirmity. If I was in pain and needed a new hip – rather than being semi-ambulatory, I’d spring for the money somehow to get it fixed, even if I became broke. So I wouldn’t be able to pay my bills. My mortgage loan wouldn’t get paid, nor my association dues. I’d declare bankruptcy. My association and my lender would lose money. We’d all be poorer. There’s a social cost to being alive, no matter how the resources are allocated.
    Probably, the ultimate rationing is the rationing of human life, like in “Logan’s Run”, or in Isaac Asimov’s novel, “Pebble in the Sky”, in which people were euthanized upon reaching the age of 60.
    Raising tax rates won’t help unless the government – the entity that determines the size of the national debt – stops spending more than it takes in. Deficit spending results in an ever higher percentage of the national budget going to pay interest on that debt. What happens when the annual amount of interest to be paid approaches the total GNP? Either stop spending, renounce the debt, or print money. Any of these courses of action would have profoundly awful consequences for our society. This is why, even if we survive the future, we are going to go through quite a rough patch. But it’s nothing we can’t handle.

  293. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    “in which people were euthanized upon reaching the age of 60.”
    If we do that perhaps we should start with congress?

  294. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Yes, you are right.
    Capital gains taxes can be increased, but that would only work if a balanced budget amendment is passed, otherwise nothing has really changed.
    I hope your administration would aggressively pursue such a constitutional amendment.

  295. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    (In response to some dipshit comment of the laddie’s:)
    “If you are a real person you must be very lonely for you have placed yourself beyond the circle of normal human interaction.” -K-D
    Ah, now your pick has hit a large nugget.
    Notice how every comment is designed to be hot-button and almost always completely off-topic. Those aren’t tactics that bespeak a wish for dialogue; it’s merely yelling to turn your attention to things wacky and patently fuckwitted.
    That ain’t a real person, that’s a contrived “persona”; and one who gets paid for it. Obviously likes the feeling of power too, because so many take the bait; usually a glob of fecal matter pasted onto the hook. It won’t go away, but it’s easily ignored. Soon there will be a spewing to attempt provocation of some kind of response. No worries, a fuckwit is as a fuckwit does.
    (No doubt I will be branded as something obscene and horrifyingly anti-fascist AND anti-white-male too! How will I go on? How? ;o)

  296. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    I agree. All corrupt dogs shouldn’t live long enough to enjoy their ill-gotten, buried bones.

  297. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    Of course, everything begins with honesty so that’s a no-brainer.
    “Pebble in the Sky” I remember ‘Sen-Loo’ in the middle of a nuclear wasteland when the main character who had been tele-ported into the future made the connection to St. Louis and realized he was actually on earth and not on an alien planet far far away. Good book, Logan’s Run was also great.

  298. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    BTW,
    The laddie is convinced I hate him for his “values” [opinions]. That would be incorrect, as per usual, as he only has those dictated to him. I hate him for what he does for his food, shelter and pay. Traitorous fraud.

  299. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Or there will an attempt at mirth. ‘I am Ozone’, ‘I am K-Dog’ or perhaps even ‘I am Asoka’.

  300. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    And don’t forget the vile putrefaction he inflicts on others.

  301. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    An interesting concept, a “contrived” personality. But what would be the point of paying someone to agitate here? All he is is a minor distraction who doesn’t permanently lead the blog astray or prevent people from speaking their mind. If this is what he’s being paid for, then he has failed.
    I think it’s more likely that the Chinese sploggers perform that function.
    I am shocked, shocked that you despise Vlad’s philosophy. I won’t be able to sleep tonight worrying about what others might think of him.

  302. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    What I rarely hear discussed is putting doctors on SALARY. Do we really think the wealthy would spring for a doc that costs 10-20 times as much for the same procedure, done with equal competence? Ha! The rich are known for their penuriousness. Those of us in the construction trades know this for a stone, cold fact. Right CFT? (Take your time, I know you’ve been “busy”. ;o)

  303. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    Very good, remembering Senloo. It’s funny, just last week I was thinking about how names would change in the future, and I thought of Senloo. Schwartz, I believe, was the main character’s name and he was 64 years old. I recall reading the book when I was a kid and thinking that Schwartz was such an old man! Sigh.

  304. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    what would be the point of paying someone to agitate here?
    Earlier today i suggested that the only way to keep the existing power structure in place is to keep people ignorant.
    We can all work around the sock puppets but they keep others from coming here. If you found this site for the first time you would think that we are all resist assholes and stay away. How could you not?
    Blogs speaking and searching for truth are not wanted by those who benefit from ignorance.

  305. k-dog April 24, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    I meant racist not ‘resist’

  306. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Isn’t that how doctors practicing in a socialized medicine environment get paid? If we ever have a single-payer healthcare system, maybe docs will get to be on salary then.

  307. stopnp April 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    Hi. I’ve been following the fukushima nuclear catastrophe since it’s beginning. Please visit enenews.com if you would like to get some information about it. Seeing that none of the major media wants to report on it. There are a bunch of people who have been digging and posting the reality of this event on this blog. Gorbachev credited the economic decline of the Soviet Union to the Chernobyl disaster. Japan is in big trouble. So is the rest of the world because of their lack of admission and lack of action.

  308. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    How did you know I resist assholes?

  309. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    You’ve heard of psy-ops, I’m sure.
    Hey, might not be real effective, but “it’s a living”.
    Kunstler’s blog [and the comment section] is rife with counter-status-quo ideas and actionable experiences. It’s probably considered to be a “worthwhile” target for counter-intelligence twits to piss on for a while. (Counter-intelligence is its’ own self-contained truism, as we’ve seen from its’ recent operations.)
    What IS that that’s being built in Utah?
    http://occupycorporatism.com/the-true-capabilities-of-nsa-utah-spy-center/
    Think that CFN is beneath notice?

  310. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    (Oops, sorry; what K-dog said. He’s clearer anyway. ;o)

  311. ozone April 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Damnit, Beans! Now you’ve gone and said the verboten “s” word! Geeeeeeze, have a little care for our delicate sensibilities, would’ja??

  312. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    You need not be sorry for being a flinty-eyed realist, your not.
    ==========
    Of course I am but first, it’s you’re. And I think you are very much bothered by the truth of my realism. You are dancing around the topic which was my contention that the distribution, allocation or rationing of resources happens by way of transactions with values stated in monetary units… everything from scarce resources to toilet paper. We are not talking here about the value of, let’s say, a friendship or a smile.
    The fact that you say “Not all men are evil, we should try placing a few of them in charge and see what happens. A healthy society would do so” tells me you agree that we have NOT done so and you are speculating on the outcome if we did. So, who is the realist?
    And BTW, the evilness of Cheney is a red herring. If you don’t like my example of Dick Cheney, bear with me for a short anecdote about a more admirable fellow:
    My wife had a client (Bill) over today. Both Bill and his wife have serious medical problems. They are financially well off. Later in the day I asked my wife “How’s Bill doing?” “Actually,” she says, “he seems a little better (note, a month ago it seemed he was going to die while trying to make it 25 feet from his car to our front door) but he says he thinks he needs a liver transplant.” I have no doubt Bill will get his transplant.
    On the other hand, seven years ago my good buddy Steve in New Haven, CT died a month short of 64 for lack of a liver transplant. Steve had all kinds of ailments including diabetis. Steve was an amazing guy. Somebody once said if you could bottle the essence of Steve you could be a millionaire. But Steve was not “good with money.” For years I listened to the saga of his place in the liver transplant queue while living his last decade on the dole in some kind of public housing and ultimately some crummy charity hospital. He never made it to the front of the line — hmm, I wonder why? — but I can almost guarantee, Bill will.

  313. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    Please, O3, don’t tell my doctor I said that, else I go in for a checkup, then wake up 2 hours later with no legs. “Where’s the rest of me”?

  314. BeantownBill April 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Reminds me of a story I read about years back:
    It’s said that when a Japanese airliner crashes, the CEO of the airline personally visits each victim’s family. He knocks on their front door, asks to be let in. Once inside, he bows and begs forgiveness for the crash, and says it was all his fault, he takes full responsibility. He asks if there’s anything he can do for the survivors.
    As a result, there’s never a liability lawsuit over the accident.
    Can you even begin to imagine that happening here?

  315. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    “You don’t need to ask me about prices or the weather in Israel. That information is available to you in real time, snake” -mika-
    I know, Mika, I was just showing you what polite conversation might look like.
    And actually, I have been wondering if wind patterns favor deposition of driftwood, etc, on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea, and if you knew of any beachcombing beaches. I did a couple of searches and came up with this article which specifically mentions beachcombing.
    http://mobile.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/israel-and-palestine/120113/gay-news-tel-aviv-scores-best-gay-city
    Interesting, hey? Isn’t the internet grand?
    I do have to ask you about this, though.
    “Everything they have, they earned on their own merit through hard work and study. It was not given to them by way of political graft like it was/is given to you,snake.”
    -mika, in reference to his wealthy friends who now live in the US-
    This is the second time you’ve made a reference like this. WHAT, Mika, WHAT makes you think that I make my money by political graft. Believe me, before my retirement, I had an actual job and an actual career doing actual, honorable work – much like your friends do now.
    I know you have some ideas that all of us US white boys work for the Vatican, and the CIA – but what have I specifically said in any post that lends credence to this prejudice of yours about me, personally.
    Other than the fact that I’m white –
    and am a natural born United States citizen.
    Never mind – I’m sure that was all you needed, for the Mind of Mika.
    And, coming up soon, a Word from our Sponsor – Mr. Snake.
    ============================

  316. Kyooshtik April 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    They’re are simply too many right-wing dildos
    ===============
    There

  317. Stalactite Jim April 24, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    Of course the trolls have kept us away, or at least their scent. I commend the blog for supporting Special Education. It’s important. But it sometimes makes online discussions more difficult. Anyway, here’s to charity!

  318. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

    Concerning Mr. Snake –
    We had a black kid on my high school football team.
    His nickname was “Snake.” He usually played wide receiver, and he was big and lanky and he did move a little bit like a snake. But that was not the source of his nickname.
    With apologies to the prudish, Snake was hung like a water buffalo. Stripped down in the shower, it looked like he had a medium sized brown elephant’s trunk hanging between his legs.
    But I digress –
    Did you know that there are 250 species and sub-species of snakes in the US. Only 4 species are poisonous, though. So, an American of normal intelligence and mathematical abilities does not fear snakes, nor hate snakes.
    Oddly, foreign invasive snakes are likely to destroy ecosystems in south Florida, before spreading northward.
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-10-14-foreign-snakes_N.htm
    It is an interesting metaphor for the way the United States is being overpopulated by various human cultures.
    When contacted, Dee Jones and Mika were quoted as saying, “All will be well. The Pythons and Anacondas will simply interbreed with the native Florida snakes, producing a mocha hybrid species.”
    Ecosystems will still be destroyed, but Political Correctness shall Triumph.
    More Snake News to follow –

  319. progress2conserve April 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    You might try to get out of your Russian and/or Israeli snake fearing snakeskin, Mika – and learn that snakes are revered in some cultures.
    And to think, I only missed being born in the Year of the Snake, by a few months. Consider this:
    “Most people are secretly or hopelessly in love with Snakes. Gather those frustrated folk you know and most likely, they are probably in love with a Snake. Irresistible as they seem, the Snake never wastes time in idle gossip. He thinks often and deeply. He is an intellectual, a philosophers, a cerebral person. Snake people rely heavily on first impressions, on their own feelings, on their sympathies, rather than on facts, on the advice and opinions on others. He seems to have a kind of sixth sense in this way.”
    http://pages.infinit.net/garrick/chinese/snake.html
    This is the end of this evening’s CFN Snake Report.
    Now, back to your usual

  320. xhalor April 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    When contacted, Dee Jones and Mika were quoted as saying, “All will be well. The Pythons and Anacondas will simply interbreed with the native Florida snakes, producing a mocha hybrid species.”
    You’re not serious.
    People from the Midwest put Great Northern Pikes in the Salmon breeding waterways in California. Couldn’t kill all the pikes after three poisonings in one lake. Been a while since I checked in on that, so I’m wondering how it all turned out.

  321. trippticket April 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    “Just had an omelet with asparagus from the garden. Wow, I’m now confining my absurd hopes to having a bunch more of that for the season. Dreamin’ BIG… :o)”
    Hey, at least your pee will smell funny for a while…

  322. Vlad Krandz April 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    Good show on about the CCC. Just by coincidence of course – all these young men disciplined and in good shape were just available when WW2 started. What good fortune.

  323. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    The Goverment tries to get Blacks into National Parks but to little avail. Blacks seem to have an inherited genetic fear of snakes. This is a lucky thing or else the Parks would be even more full of crime than they already are.

  324. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:04 am #

    Wrong A-hole. I get paid by the Vatican not Uncle Sam. I get paid by the piece btw, not by the hour as you ignorantly assumed. Benedict keeps a room for me back in Rome with my pick of the virgins.
    How do you get paid?

  325. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:08 am #

    Wrong again. People insisted that I was Mika (since no Jew could be a racist) so I simply go with it sometimes.
    And you did speak in favor of Matriarchy. Go back and look. Perhaps you were just being careless with your wording. In which case, I will accept your apology.

  326. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:13 am #

    Hey Fuckwit, you obviously don’t pay very good attention. I have long involved conversations with Prog many times. Bill wont talk past one or two posts. He just starts sulking. I’ve talked with other posters too but most prefer shorter exchanges than I am capable of.
    Both Bill and Kdog think you’re full of it. What do you think? You’re out voted.

  327. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 12:14 am #

    Just stumbled upon this. Since it was the source of some recent…uh…friction, I thought that I would throw it out here just to piss ya all off again. It’s about body desecration (…groan). I know, I know. It’s wrong, it’s gross, etc. But it happens. And it has always happened. This is a recent story from an American soldier. It’s about why they collect pictures of the vanquished. The article itself is brief and raw. I’ve seen these same kinds of pictures going back to WWII. When you’re in the US Army 18th Airborne Corps, you train with armies, navies, cops, nuns…from all over the world. That means Israelis, Egyptians, and Turks too. I’ve seen their pictures. Wouldn’t want anyone to feel left out. I swear to GOD that I did not write this.
    http://www.salon.com/2012/04/23/why_soldiers_take_photos/

  328. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Thank you for affirming my reality. No one know the Fascist Mind like a Jew. You know I’m real. We’re the same: both for our people. These liberals are pathetic are they not? Spitting on their own left and right.

  329. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:22 am #

    Their. As in “Their right wing dildos did a sharp left turn leading to big trouble.”

  330. Shakazulu April 25, 2012 at 12:34 am #

    “Homes start at 800K here . . . where trees grow like weeds”
    At least they won’t have to burn their homes to stay warm when the grid collapses.

  331. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 1:02 am #

    Folks..this is 20th anniversary of biggest Black Riot in US in 20th century..the LA ‘Uprising’
    [as named by KCRW]
    Today the memorial on NPR was disgusting,
    they called it the Rainbow Riot, as most arrested were Latinos [looters].

  332. Bustin J April 25, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    Rhiny said “Look at it from the point of view of someone busting his ass in a rice paddy in South Korea in 1960, skinny, sick, hungry. They hear about America, see pictures of the cars Americans drive, the houses they live in, the refigerators they use and they ask why the hell can’t we have that here? ”
    That reminds me of when a neighbor starts driving a better, newer car. Or using a riding lawnmower compared to my push-mower.
    I ask, why the hell can’t I have that here?
    Americanism is not the cause of Global monkey-see monkey-do. But sure looks a hell of a lot like it.

  333. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    Florida is very challenged in the ‘green’ dept..
    Nasty Cayman, fish, snakes,catfish, asian carp, boas, pythons, every kind of exotic animal [I dont call them pets] tossed out, Horses, etc. Then theres the plant species………………

  334. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 1:05 am #

    Rainbow Riot. I would think that it would not be necessary to attach an adjective to “riot”.

  335. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    Friction? Pictures? Xhalor – what did you just do?

  336. IxNoMor April 25, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    So much time and so little to read. Strike that! Reverse it! Thank you. We don’t need no stinkin’ Kardashians! Kardashians? Who ever heard of a Kardashian? (We are the musicmakers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
    Vacation – I’m being forced into a huge family get together this July in Jamaica. Not looking forward to it at all, it almost feels like a doctor visit to me (something I’d rather avoid at all costs). Well, maybe some locals will try to entrap me, and sell me out to their police force (NOT unless it’s a *free* sample)…
    Q – Hundai Sonata mileage? My bro inlaw (outlaw? heh) whuz claiming his should get 28-35MPG, but real-life my sister has found it getting more like 18-20MPG tops. Yes/No?
    K-Dog’s rant on 800K elites planting trees on some far-away designated lot – why not start at HOME. Parse that weed-n-feed, overwatered, overcropped lawn, and replace it with bushes/trees/gardens (preferably native or edible).
    “people in his area are still having kids, sending them to college and … gasp … using air travel. People lodge big ass complaints like this, without any alternative suggestions.”
    The alternatives are their LOGICAL NEGATIONS – have no children, don’t fly, stop guzzling gasohol like a crackwhore. How someone can even barf such tripe is beyond me…
    Idiots babble on about mystical, technical “cures” to our problems, but most amount to simple treating side-effects. And almost all are essentially stop-gap temporary measures, which simply postpone the inevitable (kicking can down road). One I LOL’d at recently whuz paint all roofs/roadways white (can U imagine how much hydrocarbon paint would be required, and how often it would need to be re-applied):
    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/painting-roofs-white-is-as-green-as-taking-cars-off-the-roads-for-50-years-says-study-7640770.html
    There’s a good reason they focus on short-term reactionary treatments of side-effects, rather than dealing with root causes. First, root cause fixes have become almost completely intractable, in terms of proactivity/time, complexity and (external?) cost. Second, because treating side-effects are very cheap, very profitable, and can go on indefinitely/exponentially…
    “poppycock. as people have access to ever more food, ever more mobility, ever more income, ever increasing lifespans”
    LOL – ever more shitty food, and ever lower (no) income. Klew the F* up, nub (soker-puppet) – mobility is hardly on the rise now, nor are increasing lifespans either…
    “”joyriding, credit binging and Wal-mart dependency!”
    this is a typical fatalized overreaction to an argument, and is achingly anemic.”
    More liek, that is exactly how 85%+++ of the USA rationalizes their daily lives/actions…
    “I took PC’s NumbersUSA link recently and took their quiz.
    Is U.S. population growth causing the country to use up its natural resources too fast?
    I say yes as do a wopping 57% of all Americans”
    Poor dog, you musta got kicked 1 too many times. The US has no natural resources left – or rather, it is consuming every last remaining NON-US RESOURCE, AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. And here I thought you *could* teach an old dog new tricks…
    “You were not always such a CFN Pollyanna.”
    Seriously? You didn’t figure out that was a sock-puppet many eons ago? Let me give you a hint, there’s only about two here – who have bragged, nonstop, about uprooting, and going to the Amazon Rainforest clearcuts…
    I have to admit, I’ve got some serious respect for that Hunter S. Thompson character. I really should read Fear and Loathing, and that new postmortem manuscript. I just loved how he’d start out the day with a few grapefruit and lots of vodka! Props, whereverTF you are (JohnnyD whuz too kind)…
    Oh, I’ll leave you with a nice Wall Street article about how good CO2 is going to be for us, as we continue clearcutting every last remaining forest (also seems to *AS USUAL* leave out the fact that 2010/2005 were the last 2 record-setting temperature years in our known history)!
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304636404577291352882984274.html?fb_source=feed_news&fb_action_ids=3006300156240&fb_action_types=news.reads

  337. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    At the Heart Attack Grill, the waitresses dress like nurses. Their 500 pound spokesman died of a heart attack last year. What an unforseen tragedy.
    America allows this kind of thing – the freedom to do wrong. Other countries would not. Both perspectives have their value. We frame the question wrongly in terms of doing wrong. Why not the Freedom to do Right? Of course, people need to make mistakes, but a whole way of life? There is a limit that’s not arbitrary but imposed by Nature.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/another-heart-attack-grill-customer-collapses-while-eating-191647836.html

  338. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    Did you see the 60 minutes last night? The Israeli Ambassador tried to get in canned. It was about the suffering of Arab Christians in Israel. No one blamed Israel completely but Jews are so sensitive to the least criticism. Islam is obviously to blame as well for the disappearance of Christians from Palestine.

  339. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:26 am #

    I read someplace that the poorest Jamaicans were Whites, the descendants of slaves who refuse to mix with Blacks. It said they live in remote parts of Jamaica by gardening and fishing. See if you can confirm this please.

  340. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 2:01 am #

    “America allows this kind of thing – the freedom to do wrong. Other countries would not.”
    Hmmm…best you stay in the US, Vlad.

  341. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 2:08 am #

    From the WSJ article, “Weather conditions similar to 2012 occurred in the winter of 1942″
    Man, I’m really gonna be pissed if I spent all that time out in front yard learning how to photosynthesize for nothing. My God. The ridicule and scorn…

  342. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 2:14 am #

    No, I only watch TV at the gym and very little.

  343. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 2:16 am #

    Besides the Pope who are the ‘secret rich’?

  344. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 2:19 am #

    Here in Progressive LA, they still have eating contests, which are dangerous and disgusting.
    From the link:
    The Heart Attack Grill offers free meals to any customer who weighs over 350 pounds and features a butterfat milkshake, nonfiltered cigarettes, “flatliner” fries and four burgers, each rated on an ascending scale of “a single bypass” to the “quadruple bypass.”
    Anyone who eats more than 1000-1500 calories in an hour is overdoing it.
    The stomach is elastic but enough already.

  345. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 2:22 am #

    Tell ya what I saw today, Herr Impaler. Benjamin Netanyahu on ABC/TV sayin’ “No! No you do not get to enrich your Wheat Chex.” Wonder if he is still tryin’ to get them to agree to buying Uranium from the US or Israel. ONLY. Sure, as long as you agree to 1967 borders….
    Fuck. I hope we don’t have to shoot their planes down.

  346. k-dog April 25, 2012 at 2:22 am #

    “I say yes as do a wopping 57% of all Americans”
    IX, that was sarcasm, I think 57% is pathetic. Has the U.S. used up all its resources was not a question option. This dog has not been kicked too many times. I have not yet begun to bite !!! No planting trees in the forest for me. I’ll let mother nature plant the trees in the forest. I’m here to kick the new world order’s ass.
    “I have to admit, I’ve got some serious respect for that Hunter S. Thompson character.”
    I have a borrowed copy of ‘Hell’s Angels’ and will be polishing that off in a few weeks. The meat on the bones of the textbooks I’m reading takes a while to pull off and I want to pick those bones ivory clean. The trouble with Hunter was that he wound up believing his own myth. But no dogs is perfect and his run for the sheriff of Aspen in 1970 inspires me. Makes me want step outside and howl K-dog for President.

  347. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 2:32 am #

    Oh shit! I left out the best part. Benjamin said that the sanctions were not working. All that oil festering in the Persian Gulf. Now how long did we think that situation was going to continue? Whose got what we want? Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock

  348. k-dog April 25, 2012 at 2:39 am #

    A point clarified. Since you get paid by the piece your lack of quality and your transparent lies are explained. Do you get paid double for being vile and disgusting?
    You have been here a long time today, shouldn’t you be waking up Asoka and getting in your coffin?

  349. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 3:20 am #

    “How do you get paid?”
    During the day, my scouts are scouring our traveling area for semi-skilled (menial will do in a pinch) labor and recyclables.
    I like to think of it as feasting on the carrion of something that’s dying. In effect, I steal shit.

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  351. ozone April 25, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    Asparagus-induced funny-smellin’ pee!
    See there? A side of entertainment with every serving! Ask any kid who’s old enough to talk about the wonderfulness-es of Nature. ;o)

  352. Widespreadpanic7 April 25, 2012 at 7:41 am #

    Vlad, speaking of a lost group whites in the forests of Jamaica, see “Lost White Tribes, The end of Privilege and the last Colonials in Sri Lanka, Jamaica, Brazil, Haiti, Namibia, and Guadeloupe., Riccardo Orizio, The Free Press, 2000.
    Those white Jamaicans do indeed exist, a small isolated group living in the forests of central Jmaica.
    For me the most interesting chapter was about the decendents of the 20,000 defeated Confederates who emigrated to Central Brazil 1865-1890. They were pretty successful down there, building some pretty nice towns and ranches, eventually mixing with Ukranians, Russians and native Portugese. They treasure the relics of their Confederate ancestors, still fly the stars and bars, venerate Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, and desire to visit the United States, imagining it to be like the ‘Old South’ described in Confederate memoirs. Some of the photographs are pretty charming, especially the ones of obvious Brazilians dressed up in vintage grey uniforms to celebrate Confederate Memorial Day.
    –WSP7

  353. trippticket April 25, 2012 at 8:03 am #

    Anybody out there in lower Appalachia or Atlanta? Got a cool workshop – building a cob chicken fortress – at our new place in the north Georgia mountains coming up! Announcement here:
    http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/
    Come on out if you can!
    Tripp

  354. ozone April 25, 2012 at 8:06 am #

    X.,
    The brass-hats have figured out a cure for ITKS (Immoral Trained Killer Syndrome).
    Disallowing any pitcher-takin’. (This was from a NPR “news” interview with a gen’al, and was not seriously or derisively questioned! *whew*) Hey now, why didn’t I think of that?
    If no photos or videos were taken, it never happened! All fixed, Poppets! Morality correctly enforced; it feels so… oh I dunno… so can-do AMERICAN and heartwarming. From now on, only moral and approved slaughter will ensue. I feel better, don’t you?
    Orwell returns as zombie; goes back to grave hungry; no brains left to eat anywhere. -National Implier (Sorry, no photos in this issue.)

  355. Widespreadpanic7 April 25, 2012 at 8:19 am #

    Any thoughts on NKorea’s impending nuclear detonation test? This particular bomb is said to equal the one dropped on Hiroshima.
    With the meltdown in Japan, and now this, a lot of radioactive material is being spread around in that part of the world. Article on Drudge suggests NKorea is working with Iran. I wonder what the goal is?
    And don’t forget that war brewing up in Sudan! Its gonna be bad.
    –WSP7

  356. trippticket April 25, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    “a lot of radioactive material is being spread around in that part of the world.”
    Makes me glad I’m in the U.S. southeast, and not the northwest anymore…something has to…

  357. ozone April 25, 2012 at 8:31 am #

    “During the day, my scouts are scouring our traveling area for semi-skilled (menial will do in a pinch) labor and recyclables.
    I like to think of it as feasting on the carrion of something that’s dying. In effect, I steal shit.” -X
    A highly underrated and important vocation. (WMBH, “dump miners”.) However, one fraught with unseen risks. The half-life of some of that toxic shit is long and carcinogenic. Suit up! There’s good swag to be gleaned! Trading hardware for vittles ain’t gonna be strange a’tall.
    A side note about available resources:
    China is stuffing its’ coffers with silver; lots and lots of it. What do you suppose they make those PV panels with? Dirt? …And cornucopian crap-shooters should probably take note of metallic supplies within their [presently existing] borders. Not sure I’d trade those away for piles of paper.
    The Chinese are famous “preppers”; there’s a reason they’ve been around so long…

  358. ozone April 25, 2012 at 8:43 am #

    Kewl.
    Wish I was closer, because I’d like to see how that’s done. (Being a gravel guy m’self.)
    “Fortress”, eh? Critter defense, I suppose. My neighbors’ chooks got weasel massacred; the coop was fine, but the daytime free-ranging (sans protection) was a bit naive.

  359. ozone April 25, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    Then there’s this from last August about the winning of another battle in the war on giving offence to furriners whilst snuffing them. (Or would that be, “sniffing”? Hmmmm.)
    http://www.bestweekever.tv/2011-08-24/dont-ask-dont-smell-marines-banned-from-audible-farting/#comments

  360. ozone April 25, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    “….he knows if you’ve been bad or good; so be good for goodness’ sake.”
    This from da Chief o’ Stuff:
    “Odierno made special reference to what’s called General Order No. 1. It lists prohibited activities for soldiers, and includes photographing or filming detainees or human casualties.” -National Petroleum Radio
    Shit, forgot about that one; do I still get to watch teevee and talk to my buds on the cell? I won’t take any pictures, I promise.
    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/24/151211501/u-s-military-wages-battle-against-misconduct
    Listen to Mr. Panetta! We wouldn’t want to besmirch those “core values” now, would we?

  361. charliefoxtrot April 25, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    pun intended: you hit the cylindrical punctural fastening device right square on the ol’ noggin…! and it s usually something like: ‘all you gotta do is…’ fin morons have no idea whatsoever the myriad of complex, precise movements and operations it requires To Get Something Done…anyway, yo, hope all is well as can be hoped for on y all’s end…keep the powder dry and yer wick wet; ‘it s all good!’

  362. Widespreadpanic7 April 25, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    Oz, on a personal note, you appearing anywhere locally, musically speaking?
    –WSP7

  363. ozone April 25, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    WSP,
    A couple private parties, but nothing on the “public house” scene lately.
    Venues are dropping like swatted flies, as you’ve noticed. Remuneration is also dwindling (from ’80’s levels, no less). Hey, as the song says: “You can’t spend what you ain’t got; and you can’t lose what you never had.” ;o)
    I’ll keep you apprised by the secret network, however. Shhhh!

  364. 8man April 25, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Time Travel Revisited
    The idea that you can’t go back in the past and kill your grandparents, since you would disappear is flawed. You can go back in the past and do anything and it wouldn’t have any effect on you since there is no place and no entity that is containing the past and that is controlling the “coherence” of the “story”. There is nothing containing the sequence of images, of pictures of Mass Energy configurations that lead up to the present, so you can go back to any past picture, to any past instantaneous picture and do anything with it.
    You can say that the present picture is the result of all of the past pictures, that the present picture is the final number representing (and condensing) all of the past events and the present picture could only be exactly what it is only if all of the past intermediate pictures were exactly what they were. But it is a convenient way to look at it for our mind and decoding of reality, for our rules, thinking that the laws of physics constrained the pictures to follow only one path according to the trillions of quirk details that made up each preceeding picture. But the pictures are only a sequence of numbers, they are not related in any metaphysical way with each other, they are all disjoint and totally unrelated, they are only related in our mind and in our view.
    Hence any past time travel is possible and will be achieved, just like any travel at all to any place or any configuration of Mass Energy at all, whether it be the past, the future, another wolrd or planet or anything at all, as long as the observer “remembers” the past as such, and experiences the interaction within the Box of Matter configured in a certain way as defined by our (arbitrary – mental and cultural) categories (past, future, other planet, whatever).
    So time is not a story or something outside of itself, is not fixed and does not impose constraints on the coherence of the sequence of pictures, in essense it doesn’t exist, it is not some metaphysical item containing a story, it is invisible, only a process and only present in our mind as a variable.

  365. Rhino April 25, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    What the fuck are you talking about.
    Want more examples? Cuba, Vietnam. Everyone knows these things.

  366. Rhino April 25, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    I think that, all considered, Germany was treated magnanimously after the war. So was Japan.

  367. k-dog April 25, 2012 at 10:56 am #

    I recall his accidental tele-portation was caused when an experiment concerning a uranium isotope ripped the time space continuum in a laboratory miles away. It created a bullet like moving field that caught him up and suddenly it was night and he was walking by a stream which had a faint blue glow of radioactivity in the water thousands of years in the future.
    I remember a key point in the novel was that humanity having spread out across the galaxy had forgotten where it had originally come from and earth had become a unremarkable hick town with more irradiated wasteland than arable land.
    A delightfully optimistic novel considering that in a few thousand years we will be lucky if there are any dogs left to even be doing horticultural revolution style slash and burn agriculture.

  368. Rhino April 25, 2012 at 10:59 am #

    I know, Mika, I was just showing you what polite conversation might look like. – Prog
    Forget it. Everytime you read one of his posts you have to stand back for all the spittle coming from the screen.
    Mika, really, do you spit when you talk? Do you stand way too close?

  369. ozone April 25, 2012 at 11:01 am #

    So, let’s attempt to pin down what matters, shall we, Poppets?
    Tripp, you’ll love this one.
    Dmitri is here to help:
    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/04/fundraising-in-extremis.html
    My vote goes with short-term obscene profits of piles of paper and plastic Halloween pun’kins from China. (That surviving stuff is for suckers.) Howz’about you?
    “The invisible hand of the free market, it turns out, is attached to an invisible idiot.” -D.O.

  370. BeantownBill April 25, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    Yes, and I think the story was set in the Foundation universe, maybe a little early on, but from the Earth’s point of view.

  371. BeantownBill April 25, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Sorry to interrupt, but I don’t think you’re full of it as Vlad says. You may, however, be full of something that’s not “it”. :)

  372. ozone April 25, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    lol
    No worries, Bill!
    Just mouthin’ off.
    I am full of cells and the spaces betwixt ‘em, I’m told. (I wish it were horseshit, then I’d have an excuse and a more valuable purpose, post-mortem. ;o)

  373. mika. April 25, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    What the fuck are you talking about.
    ==
    Even as a pathetic sock-puppet I expect you to at least read the link I provided you.
    Quote: “Canada’s indirect contribution to the American war effort in Iraq– three ships and 100 exchange officers– exceeded that of all but three other countries that were formally part of the coalition.”
    And let’s not forget that “Canada” already spent its load in Afghanistan.

  374. mika. April 25, 2012 at 11:47 am #

    I know, Mika, I was just showing you what polite conversation might look like.
    ==
    No, you weren’t, snake. You were trying to sniff the air with your tongue, as you always do. As all you snakes always do, snake.

  375. k-dog April 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Concerning this weeks article.

    But three weeks into April so far nothing has penetrated the stupendous wall of illusion that separates money matters from reality like the one-way mirror in the interrogation chamber of a police precinct where every last officer of the law is on the take.

    A stupendous wall of illusion? Stupendous is ‘magnificently colossal’ The wall of illusion concerning money matters is disheartening and demoralizing. Kim Kardashian has a stupendous butt and is part of the wall of illusion the word fits that part of the wall well but not the financial deception part.
    So why are people so distracted by the wall of illusion and rendered so impotent by it? This dog may have some answers.
    Mika is going to love him though I suspect he is already a fan.
    David Icke
    A web search shows this guy to be way out there, but is he really? Some consider him to be deluded but I think a progressive, critical paranoia which confronts power using Swiftian satire is a assessment which is closer to the truth.
    I think he made up reptile people as a vehicle for explanation and does not really believe in them. Conspiracy theories can sometimes be a means of explanation and not statements of actual fact. Those who do not possess a strong artistic point of view can have trouble appreciating this.
    So, is someone behind the wall of illusion pulling strings or is the wall of illusion the rantings of a culture gone mad?
    Inquiring dogs want to know.

  376. mika. April 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm #

    Mika is going to love him though I suspect he is already a fan.
    ==
    Actually, no.
    David Icke is a classic CIA disinformation stooge. The minute they talk about Zionists, UFOs, Aliens, etc., and refuse to talk about history and the Vatican, you know that they are Vatican/CIA disinformation agents.

  377. Harvey Cohen April 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Okay, Vlad. Will do. And thanks for clarifying that the racist character Mika is your creation, albeit a rather wooden and one-dimensional one. Try and flesh him out a little will you? You may be a frustrated fiction writer, but you’ve got to work harder at it. Never settle for mediocrity. Never. And get out in the sunshine and enjoy the Spring weather. I’d hate to see you talking to your self (Vlad responds to Mika and vice versa) again this week.
    Regards,
    Humble Harv

  378. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm #

    US student loan debt hits a TRILLION!
    100 years ago there was none. And no foodstamps.
    Oh, there was no federal income tax 100 years ago.
    Kinda of simplistic, ‘good ole days’ nostalgia Im feeling this am.
    Turkle..you still lurkling here?

  379. k-dog April 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    At this point going directly to what Brecht suggests is the probably the avenue with the least chance of a traffic jam. The problem is the über-rich have all the maps. Now I must break away. I have a lead on a job involving electric transformers. I have keep my dogs fed.
    That was some really good Orlov.

  380. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:51 pm #

    Thanks, I’ll pick that up. Perhaps a charity could be set up or at least get International Physicians to visit them. They are the poorest people in Jamaica – I hope their skin color doesn’t stop people from trying to help them. There was a German Colony too, but they fell to miscegenation. So now there are Blacks down there who think they’re German! Pride sustains a race under adverse conditions.
    Some of the descendants of the White Slaves and Pirates still live in the “Cayes” off the coast of Belize. But they’re integrated with the modern world. Don’t know if they’re trying to stay White or not. Probably not. And if they don’t try, they will go Black or Brown.
    Some of Menonite and Hutterite Groups down there are staying White by default – their kind of Christianity isn’t attractive to Hispanics or Blacks. They would accept them – I saw a Black

  381. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    So, yeah, I just sat down at the computer to look up, “asparagus falling over,” and I feel the CFN time-suck pulling on me. And here it is, early afternoon on a glorious Spring day. Go figure?
    I’ll keep this short, or try to, and then drag my ass back outside.
    X – great posts! And great metaphor,
    “I like to think of it as feasting on the carrion of something that’s dying. In effect, I steal shit.” -X
    I do have to ask though, just en passant, if that *could?* be why those beat cops are harassing you, on occasion. Just curious, you know?
    Ozone, thanks for the DO link.
    “The problem with the invisible hand of the market is that it is controlled by an invisible idiot.” Magnificent!!
    “snake. Snake. Snake!” -mika-
    Mika, you old snake lover – way to extend the metaphor! If I were your writing coach, I’d be giving you a Gold Star. Which, in a way, I guess I am your writing coach. So, take a Gold Star out of the jar on my desk, why don’t you?
    And, seriously, are you going to answer any of my questions – or just try to keep insulting me with torturously* extended metaphors?
    *torturously?
    Why won’t the spell-checker take this word?
    ===========================
    Wonder if any of you have seen this.
    http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/17677795/sister-of-mobile-ala-man-beaten-claims-group-says-it-was-justice-for-trayvon
    I’m sure J. Jackson and a Sharpton will be heading to Mobile soon – to demand “Justice for Matthew.”
    Maybe Mark, John, Luke, or one of the other disciples can get justice – because it’s not looking too good for Matthew right now.
    OK – back outdoors and lovin’ life!

  382. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Well it’s a kind of therapy. I create a character born out of my own Id. My Gollum as it were. I can’t go to Psychotherapy anymore now that I know that Freud was a Jewish Supremacist. So I have to try to do it on my own.
    What did your Sage say, that his mission was to make Europe doubt itself? No no that one. That the Irish have no ego structure? No not that either. That Hannibal was his boyhood hero and the greatest tragedy in history was his defeat – insuring that Europe would not be Semitic? Good, but no.
    Oh this, “Where id (it) is, there I shall be.” A wonderful definition of growth, eh? Soon I shall graduate to Jung, “the Aryan Christ”.

  383. mika. April 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Snake, I see you’re very comfortable with my description. I guess I’m not the first to call you this. I’m not surprised.
    Questions? You’ve yet to answer my single question to you. How did you manage to own the land that you own?

  384. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Wrong Gollum: to Icke, all Mainstream Western Religions are controlled if not created by the Reptiles. And the Vatican is among the most powerful along with the Jews.
    Von Danniken and Zechariah Stichin helped create this meme of “ancient astronauts”. Icke just pushed it along into the Occult.

  385. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm #

    Yes they have always horrified me. To make eating a competition! Nothing symbolize Kali Yuga to me quite as blatantly. It’s ridiculous – like walking backwards across the United States to get into the Guiness Book of World Records, but somehow worse. I guess eating is supposed to be sacred somehow, a communion. And to degrade it shows ignorance.
    Abortion is worse of course, but I don’t consider it a symbol of anything. That would only take away from the fact of what it is: murder.

  386. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Your ego is showing, dog. My quality is fine and full of mirth even as you said. Guess you’re mad because you want back to your post and saw you did laud Matriarachy just as I said.
    Let God be True and every man a liar.

  387. 8man April 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    It is always the same problem of what is a set of what, what is associated with what, what is a unit, what is a delimitation: the same problem with spatial items, how are their particles connected to each other ? and are they connected to each other ? are they in the same set, or is the set simply a delimited symbol in our formatting the world according to Intentionalities of Use and such.
    So each picture (but a picture is a unit ? or is it also made up of a random group of disconnected particles assigned as one particle for our convenience ?) is disconnected from all the other pictures making up its past and future, so then the past and future of any picture can be any other picture, the path of transitions the pictures undergo while travelling from past to future can be any at all, any at all completely disregarding the constraints of the Laws of Physics that force the paths to go only in certain ways and directions. The real law of physics is simply the Transition, the change from one picture to the next, so any picture can be associated to any other, anything can be the past or future of anything else, going through any number of intermediate pictures at all, the more wild and random and unrelated the better: there is no metaphysical property that make the paths forced by the Laws of Physics any more real or important or true than any other, the only law is the law of change and the transition from one picture to the next, and the discovery of repetitive patterns (but always temporary, and imaginary and formatted by our Man Brain according to our rule and laws and arbitrary pain/pleasure circuits and such) on behalf of an Observer in the sea of pictures and the sea of paths, etc.

  388. Harvey Cohen April 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    Well, that’s food for thought. So the Carthaginians were Semitic, eh? (being Phoenicians)
    Scipio lives!! What does Mika think about this?
    Jung had a deeper understanding of human psychology than Freud anyway…

  389. mika. April 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    all Mainstream Western Religions are controlled if not created by the Reptiles. And the Vatican is among the most powerful
    ==
    And? How does that make you any less of an Imperialist Fascist Vatican Sith, when you call these reptiles and their programming your master? Stand up, you miserable coward! Be counted as a human being, you blue-eyed devil-dog!

  390. Harvey Cohen April 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    There you go again… talking to yourself again. Don’t be such a putz!

  391. tegmark April 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    Unconditional
    The worldwide economy needs only one thing: to give out scott free salaries (800 dollars a month) and cheap rents (200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house) to all 8 billion people worldwide, bar none. The surviving of people must no longer depend on any conditons and conditionals like you must work to survive; this is a flawed ideology and no longer works in a worldwide Technological Economy that doesn’t and will no longer create jobs, no matter what anyone thinks, since the technological economy structurally is eliminating as many jobs as possible and will end up eliminating all of them no matter what your mental model thinks is operating.
    There are only so many possible real jobs people can perform no matter what anyone thinks, there are only maybe at most 1,000 sectors worldwide and maybe at most 10,000 workers for each sector, so at most 10 million people can work in real meaningful and productive jobs producing real stuff and not hot air and fairy tale services and high real estate prices and high health care costs and such all other BS.
    Actually I have a hard time imaging more than 3 or 4 sectors no matter what, cars, houses, TVs, computers and some other manufacturing stuff, health care, schools (but education is another fairy tale, abstract, impossible to judge BS services trash, etc.), cops and a few others so where on earth are all the jobs worldwide going to come from ? they won’t, they will never come back, the worldwide population is destined to be idle and have nothing to do no matter what.
    So the deal is to give out free salaries and homes to all to survive and to still keep some of the consumer economy rolling since there is no alternative. And especially, when they all talk about Investments and such crap! There is nothing left to invest in anymore, very few endeavors can bring any return in an old, saturated, optimized and Technological Economy hell bent on eliminating labor in all of its forms. And especially the idea that investments will “create jobs”: are they all sick in the head or what ? exactly what investments by hiring people can give anyone any return anymore ? totally sick and crazy people that still talk about all of this BS, there is nothing left, no investment and job creation is possible anymore, it is the end of the story, the end of the line.
    So the deal is to give out free stuff Unconditionally, without any condition, so as to not create power structures, inequality and the desire to repress others to obtain some imaginary gain when all of this is no longer even necessary or worthwhile.
    As a side note, the reasons why the economy went to hell is also simply all of Our Fault: we allowed health care costs to skyrocket and no one said or did anything, everyone should have refused to pay anything over a 100 dollars for anything health related, we allowed property prices to go sky high thinking that that would make everyone rich, what BS, no one should have bought houses at those prices, we allowed to create debts in all sectors, public and private with the illusion of being able to pay them back by a future “growing econmy” (by magic in other words) when no debts should have been ever made and such. So now, suck it all up, everyone in the EU and USA and JAPAN made the same idiotic mistakes, now it is payback time.

  392. 8man April 25, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    Read all of my past posts very carefully, we must redesign the Mind and change the Man Brain to create a non conflicting machine.

  393. rippedthunder April 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Silver, SILVER! TONTO bring the stallion roun’! I am all set for a hoard of Werewolves! Down to $30.50 today. I was in at $11.00. Sheeeeet it was 50 balloons a while back. Hahahahahaha! 3.5 shifts and I am in the wind! I sure hope I don’t catch a barnburner! Sum’bitch! Now I am jinxed!Peas are up and the fruit trees recovered nicely from last Halloween, what’s left of them anyway.

  394. xhalor April 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm #

    “*could?* be why those beat cops are harassing you”
    Ain’t no “could be” about it.
    Can’t talk right now.
    Busy STEALIN’

  395. ak April 25, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    Another Scurrilous Commentary by Fred Reed:
    The Need to Lynch Zimmerman
    (it’s dated 19 APR, but I don’t think it was up until very recently…)

  396. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    ak, is yr opinion #1 or #2?
    1….Making or spreading scandalous claims about someone with the intention of damaging their reputation: “a scurrilous attack”.
    2…..Humorously insulting
    GO FRED GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  397. ak April 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    I was just looking it up — my M-W says:
    1

    • using or given to vulgar language
    • being vulgar and evil

    2

    • containing obscenities or coarse abuse

    ?

  398. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    “Can’t talk right now.
    Busy STEALIN'”
    -X-
    OK, X, be careful out there.
    And if you ever feel like you need to steal anything from me, you really ought to ask me for help first.
    Good luck.
    Seriously.

  399. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    “Snake, I see you’re very comfortable with my description. I guess I’m not the first to call you this. I’m not surprised.” -mika-
    Mika, you weren’t on my high school football team, were you? ‘Cause I’m getting a little paranoid.
    How did you know the team nicknamed me –
    “White Snake?”

  400. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Actually found a well known intellectual pushing this idea – Charles Murray, co-author of “The Bell Curve”. The book is called “In our Hands: a Plan to Replace the Welfare State”. I’ve ordered it.
    He would give everyone 10,000 a year as a base.

  401. Vlad Krandz April 25, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    The point is your lying about what Icke wrote. You don’t like him talking about Jews so you lied. What a schmuck. Why can’t you be a mensch like Humble Harv?

  402. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    “Questions? You’ve yet to answer my single question to you. How did you manage to own the land that you own?” -mika-
    Jeepers M. Christus, Mika, I bought it.
    Or else my dad did, or my granddad did.
    That’s not going to make you happy, is it?
    ***Stereotype generator to full power###
    ***Set Sarcasm Lasers from Stun to KILL###
    I inherited it. All of it. From my ggggggrandfather. He killed injun’s for it. Lots of Injuns. Some of the dirt is still red, he killed so many Injuns.
    Then he bought slaves. Lots of slaves. He couldn’t beat them all, he had so many. So, he sired my gggggrandfather to help beat them.
    He beat slaves all day. Some of them liked it. His slaves took up a collection to buy another slave to beat all of them, including my gggggrandfather. This was the birth of BDSM in the 13th colony. It got so bad that they forgot to grow food. The Vatican had to airlift it in.
    My next several grandfathers fought for the South in the War for Southern Independence. Even though they lost, and the South was beaten by a bunch of White Guys from the North – all of them are still guilty of the sins of slavery. Always will be. Therefore I am guilty, mostly because I logged onto a website called Cluster Fuck Nation and started talking to Mika and Asoka..
    All of my other grandfathers were either in the KKK or else randomly lynched minority passers-by on their own time, and without getting any credit for it. All my grandmothers sewed sheets for the KKK, like Betsy Ross – but in white.
    Then my father fought in WWII against the Japanese. He personally told Truman to drop those A-bombs, just so he could come home, find my mother, and sire me. It’s a little known fact that the US used atomic weapons simply to prove that white men are the worst stone cold killers in the Universe.
    So I’m guilty of that, too.
    ———————-
    Now then, Mika, will you now tell me what you do for a living in Israel. The only three occupations that I know of are:
    1. Dreidel Manufacturer
    2. Gefilte Fisherman
    3. Rabbi with ear curls at Wailing Wall
    Jeeze! Ask a silly question, would you? – – –
    *stereotype generator OFF*
    *sarcasm laser back to Stun*
    P2C, out.

  403. DeeJones April 25, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    “When contacted, Dee Jones and Mika were quoted as saying, “All will be well. The Pythons and Anacondas will simply interbreed with the native Florida snakes, producing a mocha hybrid species.””
    Um, except for politicians, there is a difference between Humans & snakes. So, no, don’t go putting words in my mouth, thank you very much.
    But I am surprised you didn’t comment about the difference between LEGAL & Illegal Snake immigracion, and how it is affecting the US populations.
    You are an idiot, of course.
    Dee

  404. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    We need better categories of insults, Dee.
    Choosing from the list below, I am no idiot.
    You, however, are a fool – based on this same list.
    “An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. Archaically the word mome has also been used. The similar terms moron, imbecile, and cretin have all gained specialized meanings in modern times. An idiot is said to be idiotic, and to suffer from idiocy. A dunce is an idiot who is specifically incapable of learning. An idiot differs from a fool (who is unwise) and an ignoramus (who is uneducated/an ignorant), neither of which refers to someone with low intelligence.” -wiki-

  405. anti soak April 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

    Hes no Idiot!

  406. mika. April 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    Thanks for that truthful account, PC. I knew you had it in you. As to what I do, I’m retired. I made 2 million dollars on the stock market from money my grandparents left me. Before that I was a university graduate with a degree in chemistry.

  407. mika. April 25, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    You don’t like him talking about Jews so you lied.
    ==
    I lied in saying that in my opinion David Icke comes across as a classic CIA disinformation agent? I lied in saying that you’re a fascist imperialist vatican sith and that the facist roman church is your master? Where have I lied?
    You talk about being humble, Vlad, but you refuse to eat your humble pie. In other words, it is you who is the liar (and the hypocrite). Eat your humble pie!

  408. asoka. April 25, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    Jeepers M. Christus, Mika, I bought it.
    Or else my dad did, or my granddad did.
    ========================
    I see you still refuse to answer Mika’s question. Snake.
    Where did the money come to buy so much acreage? Only from the sweat of your brow, or from white privilege and inheritance?

  409. trippticket April 25, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    Any chance you have a daughter named Allison? Long shot, I know, but them I’m a gentile, and I have no idea how common a name Harvey Cohen is…

  410. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    “I see you still refuse to answer Mika’s question. Snake.” -asoka.”
    Soak, I prefer the sobriquet bestowed upon me in 10th grade – White Snake.
    “Where did the money come to buy so much acreage? Only from the sweat of your brow, or from white privilege and inheritance?”
    -asoka.-
    Yeah – white privilege my ass, asoka.
    My ggggggrandfater has over 10,000 heirs by now.
    Some of them are at least 1/2 black, as I detailed on CFN last year. Sometimes I just think I’m one of the few sum’bitches dumb enough to work the land, manage the land, PAY the TAXES, so I can try to keep the land – for the next generations.
    ==============
    I’ve been waiting to share this – here goes, though it’s not a perfect fit here.
    I do own land in several jurisdictions in Georgia.
    A couple of them are, by a large margin, majority black. I’m seeing some interesting things.
    But one thing I’ve seen, over the past 40+ years, on one of my granddad’s farms – in one of the blackest of the “black belt” counties in middle Georgia; goes like this:
    When my granddad’s generation passed away, most of the land went to the black families that were his neighbors, to a few white families, or to the timber companies.
    I watched as the politics of the county went nearly 100% black. Then I watched as mismanagement of the elected black officials took take tax rates higher and higher and HIGHER.
    Finally – slowly – and – sadly – most of the black families sold out or lost their land to back taxes.
    I held on through the mismanagement. You can say White Privilege – But I’ll tell you I would have sold out 5 times over, if it weren’t for my desire to sacrifice NOW, Freakin’ Goddam’ NOW – to make things better for the next generationS.
    Long story short -, and slowly but surely – I’m beginning to deal with white tax officials again.
    Asoka., integration is failing.
    The races are separating in important ways.
    And it’s getting worse.
    Now what?

  411. asoka. April 25, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    Now what?
    I will Pray for your soul. That is what

  412. progress2conserve April 25, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    That’s a flip answer, coming from an Atheist Muslim.
    Try to pray in Christian English, if you want it to help, would you?

  413. rhettp33 April 25, 2012 at 10:48 pm #

    ?Of commander in chief clock Kui, lead 30,000 ghost the soldier come and destroy completely devil, will five, very the absolute being, Wen absolute being arrests hell to denounce and punish.
    The clock Kui leads the ghost soldier’s person’s horse and arrive mountain above, the first battle suffers five ambushes and ate to lost battle.Wait he to rest the whole destrier, cross swords for the second time, again because geography isn’t familiar, guided an enemy by 5 thorough, drive very the absolute being, Wen absolute being kill suffer utter defeat.Third battle, five mansions are 1000 years old to lead Wen of ghost, arrive the clock Kui tent time Sa epidemic the ghost annoy, the battalion suffers a Wen disease and have to retire to a river rather the city rest whole.The clock Kui twice led troops to catch ghost in those early years and had never thought mountain above of five, thus severe, had to up move a form chapter, requested reinforcement.
    Very absolute being will above these years of mountain mostly the circumstance finish saying and entreat a way:”The soldier Ye Rao life smallly and all said.”
    “Is not right!”Meng Ge one byway:”I ask you, the person has no head not to walk, five ghost now who is a big mountain king?”
    “This miss,cheap hats sale, although five absolute being are those the demon’s general form of address of mountain Jing, now above the mountain still really has five big absolute being.”
    “Pei!What big absolute being!Call big ghost!”The way of Meng Ge.
    “To to to, five big ghosts.”Very Shinto:”They are five Langs in the wood house, together is a big mountain king, with consumedly Wang Mu descend big Lang for head.”
    “Still have?Which commanding generals staff, ghost help a villain do evil, speak their head of groupses all.”The way of Meng Ge.
    “Like well, five ghosts contain a Holy Mother and named five old mus;Still is far of the mountain Jing is also their five per clan and call a wood guest for of head and totally have the big ghost 7 and declare wood guest’s seven fairies.Then be five mansion Wen absolute being, declare 1000 years old.”
    “I ask you, you very absolute being inside, who is a commander-in-chief?”Meng Ge

  414. rhettp33 April 26, 2012 at 12:28 am #

    ?Yi completes work soon.Continuously since then wise private hereafter also have abode.”
    “!”It is public to exclaim to connect a voice.Have angrily gravamen, the small voice having whispers.
    “Each wise private, you see, the brick timbers all have been already squared away, also 3 the twoth the cover is over, everyone hard several day!”Ground Qiao star the gentleman advise a way.
    “Star gentleman!We are a Jade emperors Zhao of wise private, not is arrive the miscellaneous service that the paradise builds a palace!”Have never measured ghost Wang Yi Sheng roar, the ghost is many to together brush to looking at three star gentlemans.
    “Is each,cheap fitted hats, this building Yi is lived by your wise private, certainly from you three fairy the wise private help to build.Everyone comes first and certainly wanted many some dint!”Ground Nu star the gentleman say with smile.
    “With what are we first dry?Should etc. ground fairy, fairy two brigade the wise private arrive together and build together!”Red tiger ghost Wang Han Dao.
    “How does this go!”The Qiao star gentleman in sky turned angry face:”You are still called a wise private, this lives to decline with all sorts of excuses!And, after this building Yi fix, live for you!”
    Many ghost fairies are again an ones Hua however, although they are all ghost fairy, majority are texts private, in addition ascend the great majority can’t inside achievement power magic trick, do these physical strengths to live, really difficult.Is originally pleased blunt hurtle to the paradise, originally want to seal an officer to seal number, free and unfettered scene, unexpectedly is to transport jade, jade pillar here on the second day, how not angry?
    “Is all right!I don’t demand everyone as well, would like to return to of return to, would like to come forward a help of, follow behind a ground of Nu the star gentleman left for and seek work stem officer the arrangement live to account!”The Qiao star gentleman in sky finishes saying and took to hit the ground a Qiao star gentleman to walk and look into a building of Peng fairies abode circumstance.
    Float however the son dynasty distance workplace hope, heart way:Is anyway carefree is also carefree, help also

  415. Bustin J April 26, 2012 at 1:39 am #

    White privilege is a complete catch-22.
    The ambiguity of the privilege in question and the fact that privileges are bestowed means no one can be held to any standard but the Fed’s.
    In other words, privileges from the inheritance are the fault of our ancestors.
    A “Privilege Tax” is already in place, called the “Estate Tax”.
    Bush weakened it last decade. Before that though, it was in place many, many years, essentially equalizing inheritance (and thus privilege) and disbursing it back through the federal government in the form of services and infrastructure aka the “crapscape”… aka CLUSTERFUCK NATION…
    No mystery about it really. Read y’r guidestones!

  416. 8man April 26, 2012 at 3:39 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178839
    You can see the deception so clearly by just looking at Europe and all of the debates and political fights they are having in Spain, Italy and Greece over “Labor Laws”: why all the emphasis on the problems of hiring and firing people ? why all of the resistance to hiring ? simple: there simply is not any work available for anyone anymore, the game is over, so what they are saying is simply we will hire only if we can easily fire, since it is a given that what they all mostly will do and and have to do or just want to do for fun, just out of boredom, is to fire, mostly fire, and fire with pleasure, but they don’t want any pesky “Labor Laws” interfering with their field day of hiring and firing and all of that BS. And why ? because there is no possible investment that can give any profit anymore by “hiring people” to do no one knows what, since there is absolutely nothing left to do in most work environments given the level of optimization, automation, outsourcing, and you name it achieved by a Technological Economy.
    So what the powers that be do is put the blame squarely always on workers and some problems and shortcomings the workers have, since they have no idea on how to distribute all the huge profits corporations are making (also known as free wealth a technological economy provides by automation and huge use of energy and all such as in the creation of an Infinite Resource Society but they must hide this fact very carefully by pitting everyone against everyone else and such, especially all the weaker classes against other weaker classes) since there is nothing left for people to do at jobs and there will be no work available for anyone anymore in the future no matter what they all say, they invent all kinds of excuses to not give out the profits unconditionally and for free to all.
    But, alas, it is all useless, the Man Brain can only follow a predetermined Ape Man and Stone Age path of conflict and must simply be hosed and changed into a new non conflicting and fighting machine.
    In the meanwhile, we must give out free salaries to all, cheap rents and build trillions of skyscrapers and spaceships and such. And overpopulation is a myth, and even in the worst case, the world can host thousands of trillions of people in trillions of high tech skyscrapers, and trillions of people are needed to explore the Solar System and inhabit Mars and Venus and such, and there could be trillions of hobby factories worldwide where people put in some time building skyscrapers and spaceships as a hobby, maybe just one or two hours a day (but if you want you can stay all day and all night long and such), etc.
    check out:
    http://www.salon.com/2010/04/19/population_crash_ext2010/
    and also all of my posts on the Resource Scarcity Myths and such…
    THUS SPOKE THE APESTER

  417. 8man April 26, 2012 at 6:08 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178833
    “You said, in order to be any kind of success, you’d have to have a salable talent. I’m saying you have such a talent. You could be a bloggist for right wing, or anarchist–I don’t mean those are synonymous–publications.”
    Apester answers:
    Pray, tell me, how much money do you think they will “pay him” for all the crap he, me and anyone else writes on the Internet ? Do you not notice that the value of Information and “Information Workers” is tending towards ZERO since there is so much Information and crap available ?
    I should have been a millionaire by now for all of the huge BS I write, but I am payed ZERO, nada, do you understand ?
    Do you not notice that we have huge excess capacity of information of all kinds, and when you have so much of something the value of that something becomes ZERO ? And do you not notice that the Excess Capacity is given by huge economy of scales of the Technological Economy producing Free Wealth and eliminating any kinds of jobs, nay, eliminating the relationship between people that jobs created as a means of transfer of wealth: now the rich can keep all the wealth they keep on making since there are no longer any circuits left to transfer wealth aside from giving it out to all for free by law, by an iron fist communist government giving all of what people need by law and force, bar none.
    Oh, I see, you have to write “something people like”, etc. So you have to become the slave of the judgment of other people and what their crap ball of their heads tells them what is good and bad and what they like. But I hate people, people suck because they have judgments that are different from mine, I hate their subjectivity, the fact that they have free will and they can decide: I want to be the boss, I want it all, I want to rob all of the money from the rich and I hate everyone who has anything more than me, kill the rich, hate the rich, hate and kill and jump on everybody. AMEN.
    Now, liz, send me a million dollars thank you,…
    And check out these “blogs” :
    http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
    THE APE MAN

  418. 8man April 26, 2012 at 6:15 am #

    Do you not notice that we have huge excess capacity of information of all kinds, and when you have so much of something the value of that something becomes ZERO ? And do you not notice that the Excess Capacity is given by huge economy of scales of the Technological Economy producing Free Wealth and eliminating any kinds of jobs (and producing millions of people with huge amounts of idle time available and such that should be building spaceships instead of watching TV and the Internet, etc.), nay, eliminating the relationship between people that jobs created as a means of transfer of wealth: now the rich can keep all the wealth they keep on making since there are no longer any circuits left to transfer wealth aside from giving it out to all for free by law, by an iron fist communist government giving all of what people need by law and force, bar none.
    http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
    THE APE MAN

  419. tegmark April 26, 2012 at 6:25 am #

    and good old:
    http://instantsingularity.blogspot.it/

  420. 8man April 26, 2012 at 6:46 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178839
    We are excess capacity achieved by the outset: compared to how many action reaction circuits we must respond to (very few), how many emergencies in pain/pleasure events we must apply ourselves to (too few) (in fact we are only a reaction to an action in a circular process, nothing more, just like a carbon molecule is a reaction and reaction to its environment, we are just a bunch of carbon molecules within an action reaction circuit, etc.) we are over sized, we are too much, hence we occupy our minds with millions of indirections and distractions and symbols, always occupied with something else, something far away, something that is not our immediate surrounding, since the immediate surrounding rarely imposes and emergency and full attention and such.
    The origin of Religion is exactly this: too much free time available for the Man Brain to think and make things up, hence he creates religions, and all else, all similar items.

  421. rhettp33 April 26, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    ?Yao?”
    “Receive an aim Kua officer!”Ma Mian says with smile.”The ghost gentleman still doesn’t know, yesterday, lately go into Chu of hell to float however,cheap hats sale, accidentally lost to kill big white ghost king, have never thought, Feng the adopted son of the all big emperor is unexpectedly a shameless mean person for taking bribes and bending the law and receive Yin to disobey to his adopted father sun and personally accepted five greatest boxes valuables.The big emperor reads Chu to float however the beginning go into hell, sign achievement, versed in literary and military arts, let him the officer is at the hell Kua on the third.”
    “!Might it not be right away of the person is a Kua the officer’s Chu float however!?”The cloudy day ghost gentleman lifts eye to hope right away.
    “To, this young man be.”The cow head answers a way.
    “That good, need this gentleman to left for to visit!”The cloudy day ghost gentleman wants to go forward.
    “Need not, I please him and meet with you be.”
    “Must be able to!”Cloudy day ghost once the gentleman put a hand, he is that the even ghost is handsomes in the hell with handsome ten greatest yins, ” I hears the new section-like in shape dollar of the human life Kua officer, once walked on the road, accepted ten thousand people dynasty He.Because receive emperor Imperial decree, all officials, have to kowtow accolade, kowtow to the Imperial decree, does Gao vivas!Do we have this rules?”
    “Do not have!”2.”The Fengs all big emperor just sends down a public notice, let ten thousand ghost dynasty He, as for each palatial night officer ghost Li, need not kowtow to mutually face.”
    “That good, I come to see this young man.”The cloudy day ghost gentleman finishes saying, carries jade to take and heads for the Kua officer’s troops.
    Cow head, Ma Mian walks first to float however son nearby, “Chu old younger brother, this is all the Fengs the cloudy day ghost of six temples gentleman, come to visit you.He and we are even night officers, at ten palace Yan gentleman under, you······Still dismount to mutually face for.”
    “Since is come

  422. 8man April 26, 2012 at 8:00 am #

    From:
    http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=178837
    It implies that something is still connecting the present picture with the previous picture. That there is some particle, some monolithic dimensional slab connecting two pictures that form a relationship (but the relationship is just the sequence of numbers filling up some memory locations in our mind simulating repetitive patterns that become perceived as a unit, when they are just all random numbers, just numbers, memory locations meaning nothing and having no relationship with each other at all, since in reality, nothing has any relationship with nothing else, there are no relationships at all between anything, they are just associations, just sets made up of similar items that are conveniently manipulated by our quirky – fluke – arbitrary Man Brain and Mindform, etc.) But it is not so, each picture is independent and distinct and disjoint from the previous picture, there is no invisible thread linking them up as a story and as a necessity, hence time travel is possible in all directions, anything can be and anything can be assigned anyway at all.
    Just because picture A came before picture B doesn’t mean that the transition from A to B is a necessity or a law of physics or an invariant. They just happened to occur one after the other but that design is irrelevant and could have been any other design at all.
    I am questioning the very structure of “Cause and Effect” as something that is a necessity. All and any Cause and Effect can be decomposed into a set of particles colliding, they can be reduced into the collision and interaction of a set with another. But the entire set of interactions is just a painting, a picture, is just a design with no further reality or truth or necessity than the fact that they randomly just happened, and even if it weren’t random but designed, it just is, with nothing deeper or more important or any metaphysical property making that set of interactions any more important or deeper or real than anything else at all.

  423. Barfy Barf April 26, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    Those who run the global money supply are fully in charge and are working towards a one world currency. They can’t afford to have the USA fail but they can put so many people into a state of depravity — welfare, food stamps, drug dependency and so on — that they cry out for a “leader” like the one in the White House now. The manipulation of the masses is a slow moving train, but moving. Peak oil may be true, the hypnotic states of Americans is certainly true, and the value of the dollar being worth 95% less than when the Federal Reserve Private Bank was created is true. But the powers that be don’t want a massive collapse of the USA, only a small, selected collapse with riots here and there so they can come in as the “saviors” of the people. This is more of a Democrat-strategy as seen with the enslavement of the black race to welfare snd drugs, booze, etc. Some make it out but millions don’t. Let’s face it, the world is a mess and needs a “reboot” of some type. Ok, now I will wait for the insults, curse words, four-letter words, and so forth from those on this blog who need to get a life. All the best.

  424. charliefoxtrot April 26, 2012 at 9:00 am #

    …jeez, talk about your monkey pounding away at a typewriter…! spanking that damned thing right onto the blog ^…there s an example of a tortuous read, prog

  425. rhettp33 April 26, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    ? Float however shouting of son voice, drift in the whole Taoist temple, or disappear Li younger brother back.Meng Ge’s pouring is to follow:”Chu saint gentleman, you were that Li younger brother, perhaps and early walked.”
    “Can’t of.”Float however son heart way:This Mountain cat, just how many days disappear, its drinking habit was unbearable to walk?
    Float however the son shouted several voices again and sat on the bed of falling the full dust and started to remember for that several dayses, oneself surrounded here, morning and night alcohol, the dead drunk dream livings and puts a Buddha to separate a life time generally, a burst of heart harm.
    The butt of that two halfs side, peep out a cat tail.Might it not be does the Li younger brother lie in the butt to go to bed?Oneself yells so to shout loudly, all surprised don’t come to it?Float however the son contain spirit, two past, separate a butt, an alone the body split into the dead cat of two halfs and reflect into his eyelid.
    “Li younger brother!?”Float however the son Be surprised to be getting more foolish, is who split Li younger brother and butt as two halfs?
    The Meng Ge comes over here, also saw the dead cat of inside in the butt and felt funny:The Li younger brother that Chu floats however repeatedly shouts is a leopard cat,cheap fitted hats!”Chu the saint gentleman, this dead cat, is your······”The words of Meng Ge didn’t finish saying and lifted to see to float however son, quickly beat words.
    Float however son two cheeks up, flow next two very wet water scars······
    The outdoor peach blossom has been already faded, peach peach leaf, flutter in the breeze in morning, seem to be empty Ji Ji in the court more.
    “Chu it has been several days since the saint gentleman, your Li younger brother, passed away.Or······Still lay to rest.”Float however the son is first breathed to shed tears, afterwards straight-tempered start foolish, the Meng Ge really waits Be getting more impatient, the soft voice advises a way.
    “Like, I see, bury under the peach tree.”Float however son will

  426. charliefoxtrot April 26, 2012 at 9:48 am #

    @ ptwoc btw: heard from wage or lbend lately? sure rounds out what discussion (as opposed to sermons, diatribes, and arguments, of course!) we manage to squeeze in around here to have their voices in the gale, so-to-speak…if you get a chance, tell em both i miss them…thnx

  427. Rhino April 26, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    I note that he hasn’t answered my question as to what he would have advised Harry Truman had he been in the halls of the wise and mighty in 1945 as to what course of action to take wrt to Japan.
    Flip answers and besides the racist posts, this site’s silly assed, silly ass-ist purveyor of silly ass-ery. I also note the rhetorical imbecilics that dig him into holes he can’t get out of: he also declined to answer a rather simple question – if the reconquista of the south west US by Hispanics was a matter of “simple justice” then is the Jewish reconquista of Palestine also a matter of “simple justice”. He says the reconquista of the US south west is a matter of karma. Well was the loss by Amerindians of North America to European settlers also a matter of Karma? Was the loss by Arabs of palestine also a matter of Karma?

  428. BeantownBill April 26, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Despite our recent set-to, in this post I completely agree with you. Good comments.

  429. BeantownBill April 26, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Particularly, I agree with the idea that TPTB don’t want a massive collapse, just enough of one to make the general populace dependent on them. It makes no sense to me that those in charge want to rule over a wrecked world.

  430. Barfy Barf April 26, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    No hard feelings and my comments were stupid anyway for which I apologize — first and last time I do that. I read the column, usually on a bus ride to work and got a bit tired of the swearing back and forth and so on among the usual gang who post here. Anyway, thanks and have a good one.

  431. Widespreadpanic7 April 26, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Well CFNers, it looks to me that a move is afoot to forgive Student Loan Debt, led by the President himself. What better way to secure the ‘Youth Vote’ than to say they don’t have to pay back what they borrowed? Like those who took out sub-prime loans on houses they couldn’t afford and brought down the whole Western World, these students, too, are victims of rapacious banksters and evil 1%ers. I for one say forgive those loans!! They were duped!! Yes, many of these ‘victims’ partied 4, 5, 6 years, and thought the party would never end while tackling tough majors like African American or Women’s Studies, but so what? Do you have a problem with that? Are you against women and African Americans? Why should anyone meet any obligations at all, ‘specially when there is a $300.00 per month cell phone bill due, and a cup of coffee at Starbucks goes for $5.00 a pop?

  432. Widespreadpanic7 April 26, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    On the other hand Wall Street and Big Business have been handed $12 trillion since ’08, and counting. Hell, AIG alone got $195 billion and the following week hosted a company wide 2 week party in the Hamptons to celebrate. There were yachts, Bentleys, people flown in on helicopters. This was just 3 years ago. Has it already been forgotten? Nobody went to jail, but not paying back student loans to the govt. can be a crime in some instances and could land you in Leavenworth.
    –WSP7

  433. anti soak April 26, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    The lemmings have a scapegoat, he killed 77.
    Their sing alongs wont save their homeland!!!:
    LO, Norway (AP) — They gathered by the tens of thousands, aiming to face down terror with the power of music.
    Inspired by a Facebook-organized protest, Norwegians flocked to public squares across the country Thursday, ignored the drenching rain and lifted their voices in song.
    Their target: far-right fanatic Anders Behring Breivik, now on trial for a bomb-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people. Their weapon: a children’s tune that he claims has been used to brainwash the country’s youth into supporting immigration.
    Defiant sing-alongs of “Children of the Rainbow” were staged in Oslo and other major Norwegian cities, while in court survivors of Breivik’s attacks gave tearful testimony in the ninth day of his trial.
    In downtown Oslo alone, some 40,000 people chimed in as Norwegian artist Lillebjoern Nilsen played the song — a Norwegian version of American folk music singer Pete Seeger’s “My Rainbow Race.

  434. debt April 26, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    8man –
    Dude, I’m just going on a hunch here. You did a lot of acid in the 60’s, right?

  435. rippedthunder April 26, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    Thats almost 24 acres! how many spys do we need? enough of the joke and dagger shit!sss-sss-sss-sss-sss






  436. rippedthunder April 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

    A fellow Masshole!
    http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-04-18/news/Mitt-Romney-american-parasite/

  437. Vlad Krandz April 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Now you’re talkin’! Whites are now in the position of the Indians – about to be displaced. We’ve got to learn from their failure and drive back the invaders. Hundred of thousands of them have fled from Arizona. The Laws can work if they are enforced. We can do this with a minimum of bloodshed. The Enemy within is what’s holding us back.

  438. Vlad Krandz April 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm #

    Ah the Truth at Last! Anyplace run by Blacks becomes a Kleptocracy in short order. Their ideas of civic duty approach absolute zero. To them, it’s all clear and simple: winners take as much as they can. Why else would anyone want to be on top? All that moral stuff is just White B.S – just made up to keep the Black Man down.
    If all Blacks had been give 40 acres and a mule how many would still have them if they had been allowed to govern themselves? Tell them about the recent boondogle of tens of thousands of fake Black Farmers getting reparations. Tell them about Blacks winning office and then firing every White they can – no matter how many years of service they had.

  439. Vlad Krandz April 26, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Any Blacks come to your family reunion? Some used to go to Jefferson Family Reunions, don’t know if they still do. Probably they were desperately hoping for opposition and publicity and were secretly disappointed when welcomed. Maybe one or two keep it up hoping against hope there is some way to cash in on Jefferson’s (or his brother) indescretion with Ol’ Sally Hemmings.
    That any of them know or care about Thomas Jefferson is beyond belief. He owned slaves, that’s all they know or care to know. Now gimme money, man.

  440. anti soak April 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    Nader wanted to do the same.
    With a trillion in such debt, who pays the banks?
    Or is the greenback worthless?

  441. budizwiser April 26, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    Frontline is airing a re-hash of the big bank robberies. And it pretty much leaves out any mention of an “actual SEC regulator” that performs as an law enforcement officer.
    One can conclude that stealing by creating undecipherable financial instruments is OK. And then of course, if it remains allowed then it becomes the “industry standard.”
    So as Paulson and Geithner have demonstrated – the “real” new-world-order is governing by the seat of their pants as they go along.
    From a global economic geo-political perspective, the United States is governed by the board of the Federal Reserve and selected insiders of the financial industry. The Euro-zone is governed in much the same manner by the ECB.
    These are somewhat benign shadow governments – in that all they want is all the wealth in the world. However, eventually much of the world will tilt or slide into slavery if they are to maintain a median standard of living.
    Not a good deal for most of us.

  442. Kyooshtik April 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    8man – Dude, I’m just going on a hunch here. You did a lot of acid in the 60’s, right?
    ==============
    Debt, here’s the story on 8man: He and Mika recently escaped through an unlocked service door of the Greystone Psychiatric Institution and are on the lam to who knows where. They get by doing menial day-labor jobs for the Vatican siths. 8man is the brains of the outfit. Mika incessantly asks him to “tell me about the rabbits again George.” A frustrated 8man replys, “my name isn’t George.”
    OTHER MISC STUFF
    1. Last night my wife and I went out to dinner in New Brunswick, NJ. Our intended destination was Rafferty’s. The place was packed and had a 25 min wait. Nah. We walked down the street to Due Mare. A 5-10 min wait but waaay too expensive. We walked around the corner to the Old Bay restaurant. A 15 min wait. We walked up that block to a steak restaurant… again ridiculously expensive. A little further up the block was Panico’s where we were seated immediately and the prices were “moderate.” The entire wait and bus staff were Hispanic (mainly, or all, Mexican I presume since New Bruns has a large and growing Mexican pop.) but no whites and no blacks. Our waiter verbally ran through a list of “ehspecials,” wonderfully rrrrolling his Rs but pronouncing the T as a T in fillet. It took all my strength not to say that fillet was a word of french origin pronounced fi lay’ like boo fay’, not to be confused with Warren Buffett, but I bit my tongue.
    I had a salmon dish and my wife had pasta and shrimp. We each had one glass of wine. We split one dessert. No coffee or tea. The meal with tip was $107. This is what is known as moderate in 2012. Ben Bernanke thinks inflation is running around 2%.
    2. Somebody up thread suggested everybody be given $10,000 (a year?, I guess) as “a base.” I say “why be chintzy?” Let’s make it $100,000. OMG how pathetic! the lack of understanding of the most basic economic principles!
    3. I note that Prog continues trying to “conversate” with a Horse’s Ass. Q shakes his hanging head and wonders “when will he ever learn?”

  443. k-dog April 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm #

    Ben Bernanke thinks inflation is running around 2%.

    ROTFH
    Rolling On The Floor Howling

    Somebody up thread suggested everybody be given $10,000

    On this we’re both flinty-eyed realists. For those who can’t understand consider this. Easy to get student loans contributed to educational costs rising much faster than inflation. Any attempt to provide a minimum annual income will be sucked up by induced increases in the cost of housing food and clothing, vital necessities. To those in need there are many things government can do to see to it that citizens have a decent standard of living. A minimum national income is not one of them.

  444. xhalor April 26, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    Bradley Manning will charged with aiding and abetting the enemy. This is considered treason.
    Eddie Slovik rolls in his grave.

  445. k-dog April 26, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    “Prosecutors said they would need only to prove that Manning knew that the enemy would see the material and that he sent it without authorization.” – The Baltimore Sun
    Is this odd or is it just me. Manning’s activity happened long after ‘Mission Accomplished’ and the military had been occupying Iraq for years.
    So who is the enemy? From a legal point of view I would think the prosecution would need to define the enemy.

  446. asoka. April 26, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    La ilaha il Allah
    I will pray for your soul too Rhino. As a mass murderer you need my help.
    La ilaha il Allah!

  447. anti soak April 26, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    Outrage as Egypt plans ‘farewell intercourse law’ so husbands can have sex with DEAD wives up to six hours after their death
    By Lee Moran
    PUBLISHED: 04:28 EST, 26 April 2012 | UPDATED: 05:55 EST, 26 April 2012
    Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives – for up to six hours after their death.
    The controversial new law is part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Islamist-dominated parliament.
    It will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14 and the ridding of women’s rights of getting education and employment
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html#ixzz1tBt6ZJwT

  448. k-dog April 26, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    That’s fucked up. Did you see the link at the bottom of the page?
    More Embarrassment for Obama
    Michelle needs to be kickin sum butt.

  449. dgmoocher April 26, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    4/26/12
    Still quiet. No tanks.

  450. xhalor April 26, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

    “Ok, now I will wait for the insults, curse words, four-letter words, and so forth from those on this blog who need to get a life.”
    RULES OF LIFE
    Number One
    Never tell the guy who’s pointing a gun at you that you’re waiting to be shot.

  451. Kyooshtik April 26, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives – for up to six hours after their death.
    ===============
    Yuck! That’s disgusting!! I wouldn’t have sex with my wife one minute beyond five hours of her death. What’s the world coming to?

  452. k-dog April 26, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    But the powers that be don’t want a massive collapse of the USA, only a small, selected collapse”
    Shit happens, collapse happens.
    There is your four letter word. If it could be stopped it would. Collapse can not be selected.

  453. progress2conserve April 26, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    “I will pray for your soul too Rhino…”
    Only CFN’s Atheist asoka can make praying for someone, somehow seem to be – – vaguely malicious.
    It’s a talent, eh?

  454. progress2conserve April 26, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

    “Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives – for up to six hours after their death.”
    For once, those women will not have to worry about getting pregnant.

  455. progress2conserve April 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    “Prog continues trying to “conversate” with a Horse’s Ass.” -k/q-
    So, Q, you believe Mika is a real person.*
    Harvey Cohen thinks Mika is a hateful and febrile dream that Vlad is having.
    Meanwhile, BTB offers to defend Mika “to the death.”
    Fascinating.

  456. progress2conserve April 26, 2012 at 8:57 pm #

    “there s an example of a tortuous read, prog”
    -CF-
    Yeah, probably CF. I had fun writing it, though.
    =============
    I haven’t heard from Wage since the day after she got booted and I posted that post for her.
    Haven’t heard from LBend in a couple of weeks.
    —————-
    CFN has lost some key players, hasn’t it?
    I’m looking for a new blog to hang out on, slowly.
    This place is unique, though.

  457. DeeJones April 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    “The meal with tip was $107. This is what is known as moderate in 2012. ”
    That was the moderate meal??? Geeez, how much was the expensive one you passed on??
    We can get a nice fillet and fish dinner here, with wine and coffee (grown locally) here for about $24. For both of us. And thats considered an expensive dinner.
    Glad I left that madhouse….
    D

  458. xhalor April 26, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    “What’s the world coming to?”
    I watched a news spot today that showed a replay of a Houston Astros baseball game. A foul ball was hit into the seats and a little girl retrieved it. Got it fair and square. Suddenly, a woman who I estimate to be in her mid-thirties appears and snatches the ball right out of the little girl’s hands. She immediately turns around and high fives someone in the group she was with. The little girl just walked away with her head down.

  459. DeeJones April 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    Oh, and you said that there were waits at the most expensive places too?
    No waits here. Sit in an open air place and enjoy your meal.
    Just re-reading The Shock Doctrine. In reading it, I sometimes come to wonder if the PTB in the US are Insane or Evil, or Insanely Evil. (thanks steve jobs)
    ;)

  460. charliefoxtrot April 26, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

    hey, whoa, no man! i was refering to ‘the ape man speweth’

  461. Pucker April 26, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    “The United States Has Plenty Of Oil: 10 Facts About America’s Energy Resources That Will Blow Your Mind”
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-united-states-has-plenty-of-oil-10-facts-about-americas-energy-resources-that-will-blow-your-mind

  462. Pucker April 27, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    What do we know about the “Institute of Energy Research” who seems to be saying that the U.S. has trillions of barrels of domestic oil supply?
    Thanks.

  463. ront April 27, 2012 at 12:47 am #