John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".
There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that…
John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".
There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that to defeat an adversary nation, it is necessary to occupy part or all of them. Look at Desert Storm (Iraq war 1). How did Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan turn out for the US? The US however did occupy Japan and Germany.
Iran has already demonstrated that it can reach out and hit Israel. That means they can hit oil wells and loading terminals. They can probably choke or close the Strait of Hormuz. Once you back the Iranian regime (or any regime) into a corner, with no way out, they will respond with everything they have. They may even be able to hit US ships. Perhaps we will find out, unfortunately.
Next, Iran is not an isolated nation. It is linked to the bigger global picture. It is not in China's, or Russia's interest to have the US/Israel dominate the Persian Gulf (maybe Trump wants to rename it "Gulf of Aramco?"). They won't sit idly by and watch.
Outside of Iran, there is a lot of pressure in the Middle East. Many fanatic Sunni Arabs, rich and poor, may hate the Shiite Persians--but several of them hate the US and Israel more; others hate the US and Israel more, and the despise their ruling governments. One cannot rule out the possibility of uncorking instability in those countries.
There are lots of things that could go wrong, some I have listed, others I can't even imagine at this point.
Also, you seem to overlook that the US, as an advanced modern society, dependent on trade as well as communications networks, has many vulnerable points. Complexity breeds fragility. We could implode in short order, without a single bomb or gunshot going off in this country. We are a soft country, with a lot of "needs", in a world where our relative strength is constantly shrinking (because much of the rest of the world is growing stronger faster than we are).
Also, Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors or bombed and killed thousands of civilians. More importantly, for America Firsters, Iran has not killed any Americans that I know of. Israel has killed several dozen--the USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, and more.
In other words, you don't care that Iran is relatively peaceful and Israel is very warlike. You like who you like and that's the end of it. There's no dealing with wild eyed fanatics like you. You're going to get us nuked sooner or later.
No, no nukes, we will just have our country destroyed. Our Masters don't want to irradiate our stuff, they just want us gone - or at least powerless - so they can take our stuff.
Are you old enough to recall the neocon scare tactics that it was only a matter of days before Iran had a nuke and would nuke NYC or unleash a dirty bomb on the US? In this day, if a nuke was launched, it would either be directly from Israel, or from the US, at the behest of of their AIPAC masters.
Iran has demonstrated they can shoot ineffective drones and a couple of rockets which did little damage thanks to the Iron dome.
Iran is toothless which is why they run mouth and do very little.
They lost most of their air defense, lost several missile factories and a few other items I can't remember, and Israeli aircraft did not so much as get a scratch.
It took months for Iranians to actually comment one way or the other which round about proves they got ass handed to them.
Iran is fucked if they don't start making nice and quit with proxy war bullshit.
China and Russia won't do anything for IRAN BUT BLUSTER.
Russia is bleeding out in Ukraine and China does not want direct military confrontation until they go after Tawain.
The Shiite Sunni schism is easily leveraged back into a hot war.
It will happen sooner or later without any prodding they literally HATE each other over grievances that are six hundred years old.
Iran is responsible for massive bloodshed - what the hell are you talking about? First, starting in their own country. They terrorize and murder many in Iran. They also arm and instigate other militants in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Judea and Samaria and to bring about death and destruction to many.
As for the USS Liberty, that was a fog of war incident. Israel never intended to and has never attacked Americans. But Iranians have killed Americans deliberately as in the Beirut bombing of the US Marine barracks, which they actively supported. They often talk about destroying the Great Satan. Read the Hamas Charter, Iran's affiliate, and see what the end game is for Islamic jihad, but you refuse to open your eyes or ears.
Rachel Corrie was a troublemaker who put herself deliberately into harm's way where she had absolutely no business and got herself killed.
Get behind me, Satan, with your lying poisonous tongue.
Israel sold state of the art drones to the Muslim Azeris enabling them to crush Armenia's tank army. Israel is not pro-Christian. Indeed a faithful Jew is required to spit when he passes a Church or sees a Christian.
John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".
There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that to defeat an adversary nation, it is necessary to occupy part or all of them. Look at Desert Storm (Iraq war 1). How did Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan turn out for the US? The US however did occupy Japan and Germany.
Iran has already demonstrated that it can reach out and hit Israel. That means they can hit oil wells and loading terminals. They can probably choke or close the Strait of Hormuz. Once you back the Iranian regime (or any regime) into a corner, with no way out, they will respond with everything they have. They may even be able to hit US ships. Perhaps we will find out, unfortunately.
Next, Iran is not an isolated nation. It is linked to the bigger global picture. It is not in China's, or Russia's interest to have the US/Israel dominate the Persian Gulf (maybe Trump wants to rename it "Gulf of Aramco?"). They won't sit idly by and watch.
Outside of Iran, there is a lot of pressure in the Middle East. Many fanatic Sunni Arabs, rich and poor, may hate the Shiite Persians--but several of them hate the US and Israel more; others hate the US and Israel more, and the despise their ruling governments. One cannot rule out the possibility of uncorking instability in those countries.
There are lots of things that could go wrong, some I have listed, others I can't even imagine at this point.
Also, you seem to overlook that the US, as an advanced modern society, dependent on trade as well as communications networks, has many vulnerable points. Complexity breeds fragility. We could implode in short order, without a single bomb or gunshot going off in this country. We are a soft country, with a lot of "needs", in a world where our relative strength is constantly shrinking (because much of the rest of the world is growing stronger faster than we are).
Also, Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors or bombed and killed thousands of civilians. More importantly, for America Firsters, Iran has not killed any Americans that I know of. Israel has killed several dozen--the USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, and more.
Thanks, but we've heard all this from the ineffectual Iran appeasement faction too many times already.
In other words, you don't care that Iran is relatively peaceful and Israel is very warlike. You like who you like and that's the end of it. There's no dealing with wild eyed fanatics like you. You're going to get us nuked sooner or later.
" Relatively peaceful." That merits a ROTFLMFAO!
No, no nukes, we will just have our country destroyed. Our Masters don't want to irradiate our stuff, they just want us gone - or at least powerless - so they can take our stuff.
Are you old enough to recall the neocon scare tactics that it was only a matter of days before Iran had a nuke and would nuke NYC or unleash a dirty bomb on the US? In this day, if a nuke was launched, it would either be directly from Israel, or from the US, at the behest of of their AIPAC masters.
Iran has demonstrated they can shoot ineffective drones and a couple of rockets which did little damage thanks to the Iron dome.
Iran is toothless which is why they run mouth and do very little.
They lost most of their air defense, lost several missile factories and a few other items I can't remember, and Israeli aircraft did not so much as get a scratch.
It took months for Iranians to actually comment one way or the other which round about proves they got ass handed to them.
Iran is fucked if they don't start making nice and quit with proxy war bullshit.
China and Russia won't do anything for IRAN BUT BLUSTER.
Russia is bleeding out in Ukraine and China does not want direct military confrontation until they go after Tawain.
The Shiite Sunni schism is easily leveraged back into a hot war.
It will happen sooner or later without any prodding they literally HATE each other over grievances that are six hundred years old.
The Iron Dome is too slow to stop Russian hypersonic missiles.
Better known as vaporware.
I had a fevered, pleasant dream the other day that I woke up and Israel was glass.
Iran is responsible for massive bloodshed - what the hell are you talking about? First, starting in their own country. They terrorize and murder many in Iran. They also arm and instigate other militants in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Judea and Samaria and to bring about death and destruction to many.
As for the USS Liberty, that was a fog of war incident. Israel never intended to and has never attacked Americans. But Iranians have killed Americans deliberately as in the Beirut bombing of the US Marine barracks, which they actively supported. They often talk about destroying the Great Satan. Read the Hamas Charter, Iran's affiliate, and see what the end game is for Islamic jihad, but you refuse to open your eyes or ears.
Rachel Corrie was a troublemaker who put herself deliberately into harm's way where she had absolutely no business and got herself killed.
Get behind me, Satan, with your lying poisonous tongue.
Israel sold state of the art drones to the Muslim Azeris enabling them to crush Armenia's tank army. Israel is not pro-Christian. Indeed a faithful Jew is required to spit when he passes a Church or sees a Christian.