Some are claiming Iran already has a nuke or two. They had a lot of help from President Clinton and of course the Shiaphile Obama. One will note every action taken by Obama favored Shiites over any other sect. Curiously favorable agreements made by "towering intellects" like Lurch Kerry surely have not soothed an observer's concerns abou…
Some are claiming Iran already has a nuke or two. They had a lot of help from President Clinton and of course the Shiaphile Obama. One will note every action taken by Obama favored Shiites over any other sect. Curiously favorable agreements made by "towering intellects" like Lurch Kerry surely have not soothed an observer's concerns about the intentions of the Islamic Republic.
Unlike the bufoons preceding him, Trump goes for the win. If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done, but only if he believes there is going to be a nuclear attack from them. None of this boots on the ground and nation building crap. "...and there ain't gonna be no wine tasting after."
John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".
There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that to defeat an adversary nation, it is necessary to occupy part or all of them. Look at Desert Storm (Iraq war 1). How did Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan turn out for the US? The US however did occupy Japan and Germany.
Iran has already demonstrated that it can reach out and hit Israel. That means they can hit oil wells and loading terminals. They can probably choke or close the Strait of Hormuz. Once you back the Iranian regime (or any regime) into a corner, with no way out, they will respond with everything they have. They may even be able to hit US ships. Perhaps we will find out, unfortunately.
Next, Iran is not an isolated nation. It is linked to the bigger global picture. It is not in China's, or Russia's interest to have the US/Israel dominate the Persian Gulf (maybe Trump wants to rename it "Gulf of Aramco?"). They won't sit idly by and watch.
Outside of Iran, there is a lot of pressure in the Middle East. Many fanatic Sunni Arabs, rich and poor, may hate the Shiite Persians--but several of them hate the US and Israel more; others hate the US and Israel more, and the despise their ruling governments. One cannot rule out the possibility of uncorking instability in those countries.
There are lots of things that could go wrong, some I have listed, others I can't even imagine at this point.
Also, you seem to overlook that the US, as an advanced modern society, dependent on trade as well as communications networks, has many vulnerable points. Complexity breeds fragility. We could implode in short order, without a single bomb or gunshot going off in this country. We are a soft country, with a lot of "needs", in a world where our relative strength is constantly shrinking (because much of the rest of the world is growing stronger faster than we are).
Also, Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors or bombed and killed thousands of civilians. More importantly, for America Firsters, Iran has not killed any Americans that I know of. Israel has killed several dozen--the USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, and more.
In other words, you don't care that Iran is relatively peaceful and Israel is very warlike. You like who you like and that's the end of it. There's no dealing with wild eyed fanatics like you. You're going to get us nuked sooner or later.
No, no nukes, we will just have our country destroyed. Our Masters don't want to irradiate our stuff, they just want us gone - or at least powerless - so they can take our stuff.
Are you old enough to recall the neocon scare tactics that it was only a matter of days before Iran had a nuke and would nuke NYC or unleash a dirty bomb on the US? In this day, if a nuke was launched, it would either be directly from Israel, or from the US, at the behest of of their AIPAC masters.
Iran has demonstrated they can shoot ineffective drones and a couple of rockets which did little damage thanks to the Iron dome.
Iran is toothless which is why they run mouth and do very little.
They lost most of their air defense, lost several missile factories and a few other items I can't remember, and Israeli aircraft did not so much as get a scratch.
It took months for Iranians to actually comment one way or the other which round about proves they got ass handed to them.
Iran is fucked if they don't start making nice and quit with proxy war bullshit.
China and Russia won't do anything for IRAN BUT BLUSTER.
Russia is bleeding out in Ukraine and China does not want direct military confrontation until they go after Tawain.
The Shiite Sunni schism is easily leveraged back into a hot war.
It will happen sooner or later without any prodding they literally HATE each other over grievances that are six hundred years old.
Iran is responsible for massive bloodshed - what the hell are you talking about? First, starting in their own country. They terrorize and murder many in Iran. They also arm and instigate other militants in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Judea and Samaria and to bring about death and destruction to many.
As for the USS Liberty, that was a fog of war incident. Israel never intended to and has never attacked Americans. But Iranians have killed Americans deliberately as in the Beirut bombing of the US Marine barracks, which they actively supported. They often talk about destroying the Great Satan. Read the Hamas Charter, Iran's affiliate, and see what the end game is for Islamic jihad, but you refuse to open your eyes or ears.
Rachel Corrie was a troublemaker who put herself deliberately into harm's way where she had absolutely no business and got herself killed.
Get behind me, Satan, with your lying poisonous tongue.
Israel sold state of the art drones to the Muslim Azeris enabling them to crush Armenia's tank army. Israel is not pro-Christian. Indeed a faithful Jew is required to spit when he passes a Church or sees a Christian.
"If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done..."
Ummm, yeah... Iran is just another Grenada waiting to be put in its place by God's Country (TM).
Our words and actions over the past seventy-odd years "surely have not soothed an (Iranian) observer's concerns about the intentions of the" Zionist States of America.
Iran has every reason to want a nuclear weapon - and yet, according to UN investigators, they are refraining from developing one. They might as well arm themselves, our Masters have made the decision that we will destroy Iran for them, nukes or no nukes.
"One and done". It's the world economy that will be done.
If Iran DOES have a nuke, Scott Ritter suggested Iran needs to test it in some Iranian desert now, so that the US, China, Russia, etc, KNOW Iran has one.
Then, Iran, like North Korea and Pakistan (and unlike Qaddafi/Libya and Saddam/Iraq) becomes largely "untouchable".
Or course, showing that card would show that Iran violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Iran signed. This might have some serious economic consequences if Russia and China frowned on it. (The big powers had, and have, a vested interest in monopolizing nuclear weapons).
On the other hand, Israel never signed the NPT. That alone should have made Israel ineligible for any US military aid. Think of the money and geopolitical turmoil we could have saved....
I have no idea why some people expect Trump to loudly telegraph his true intentions so enemies can form effective strategies. I recommend Badlands Media show Geopolitics with Ghost for a full analysis of what Trump, Putin, MBS, et al, are quietly up to in the Middle East. The current wars are very connected & will likely both be resolved in a single deal, possibly hosted by Qatar. It very much appears that the deals (including Putin's completion of denazification this summer) have already been made & we're just watching the pre-arranged theatre play out. Right now it seems we're waiting out Netanyahu's demise as his nation teeters on the brink of civil war. And Trump just cranked up the heat on Israel's economy by making them the only country to not receive tariff relief in return for dropping theirs. Oh, & while everyone was distracted by bombing Yemen, Trump very quietly approved Egypt's plan to rebuild Gaza without displacing the Palestinians.
But hey, gloom & doom all you want. Just don't ask me for sources as I am no one's secretary! Go ask Grok to find them for you. Also, I'm no longer in the business of pursuasion, as I can't help anyone anyway if they can't simply sense that the forces of darkness are on the ropes. I can pray for y'all, that's about it.
Not true I value life except in the case of a group of people who put terrorists into power then engage in kidnapping, rapes, murders, bombings, running people over with cars/truck/tractors, suicide bombers and all the other general mayhem Palestinkians have been involved in.
Surprised Lugh cares about nasty brown people oh wait they are killing Jews and the enemy of my enemy is my friend right peeyou Lugh?
Some are claiming Iran already has a nuke or two. They had a lot of help from President Clinton and of course the Shiaphile Obama. One will note every action taken by Obama favored Shiites over any other sect. Curiously favorable agreements made by "towering intellects" like Lurch Kerry surely have not soothed an observer's concerns about the intentions of the Islamic Republic.
Unlike the bufoons preceding him, Trump goes for the win. If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done, but only if he believes there is going to be a nuclear attack from them. None of this boots on the ground and nation building crap. "...and there ain't gonna be no wine tasting after."
John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".
There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that to defeat an adversary nation, it is necessary to occupy part or all of them. Look at Desert Storm (Iraq war 1). How did Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan turn out for the US? The US however did occupy Japan and Germany.
Iran has already demonstrated that it can reach out and hit Israel. That means they can hit oil wells and loading terminals. They can probably choke or close the Strait of Hormuz. Once you back the Iranian regime (or any regime) into a corner, with no way out, they will respond with everything they have. They may even be able to hit US ships. Perhaps we will find out, unfortunately.
Next, Iran is not an isolated nation. It is linked to the bigger global picture. It is not in China's, or Russia's interest to have the US/Israel dominate the Persian Gulf (maybe Trump wants to rename it "Gulf of Aramco?"). They won't sit idly by and watch.
Outside of Iran, there is a lot of pressure in the Middle East. Many fanatic Sunni Arabs, rich and poor, may hate the Shiite Persians--but several of them hate the US and Israel more; others hate the US and Israel more, and the despise their ruling governments. One cannot rule out the possibility of uncorking instability in those countries.
There are lots of things that could go wrong, some I have listed, others I can't even imagine at this point.
Also, you seem to overlook that the US, as an advanced modern society, dependent on trade as well as communications networks, has many vulnerable points. Complexity breeds fragility. We could implode in short order, without a single bomb or gunshot going off in this country. We are a soft country, with a lot of "needs", in a world where our relative strength is constantly shrinking (because much of the rest of the world is growing stronger faster than we are).
Also, Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors or bombed and killed thousands of civilians. More importantly, for America Firsters, Iran has not killed any Americans that I know of. Israel has killed several dozen--the USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, and more.
Thanks, but we've heard all this from the ineffectual Iran appeasement faction too many times already.
In other words, you don't care that Iran is relatively peaceful and Israel is very warlike. You like who you like and that's the end of it. There's no dealing with wild eyed fanatics like you. You're going to get us nuked sooner or later.
" Relatively peaceful." That merits a ROTFLMFAO!
No, no nukes, we will just have our country destroyed. Our Masters don't want to irradiate our stuff, they just want us gone - or at least powerless - so they can take our stuff.
Are you old enough to recall the neocon scare tactics that it was only a matter of days before Iran had a nuke and would nuke NYC or unleash a dirty bomb on the US? In this day, if a nuke was launched, it would either be directly from Israel, or from the US, at the behest of of their AIPAC masters.
Iran has demonstrated they can shoot ineffective drones and a couple of rockets which did little damage thanks to the Iron dome.
Iran is toothless which is why they run mouth and do very little.
They lost most of their air defense, lost several missile factories and a few other items I can't remember, and Israeli aircraft did not so much as get a scratch.
It took months for Iranians to actually comment one way or the other which round about proves they got ass handed to them.
Iran is fucked if they don't start making nice and quit with proxy war bullshit.
China and Russia won't do anything for IRAN BUT BLUSTER.
Russia is bleeding out in Ukraine and China does not want direct military confrontation until they go after Tawain.
The Shiite Sunni schism is easily leveraged back into a hot war.
It will happen sooner or later without any prodding they literally HATE each other over grievances that are six hundred years old.
The Iron Dome is too slow to stop Russian hypersonic missiles.
Better known as vaporware.
I had a fevered, pleasant dream the other day that I woke up and Israel was glass.
Iran is responsible for massive bloodshed - what the hell are you talking about? First, starting in their own country. They terrorize and murder many in Iran. They also arm and instigate other militants in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Judea and Samaria and to bring about death and destruction to many.
As for the USS Liberty, that was a fog of war incident. Israel never intended to and has never attacked Americans. But Iranians have killed Americans deliberately as in the Beirut bombing of the US Marine barracks, which they actively supported. They often talk about destroying the Great Satan. Read the Hamas Charter, Iran's affiliate, and see what the end game is for Islamic jihad, but you refuse to open your eyes or ears.
Rachel Corrie was a troublemaker who put herself deliberately into harm's way where she had absolutely no business and got herself killed.
Get behind me, Satan, with your lying poisonous tongue.
Israel sold state of the art drones to the Muslim Azeris enabling them to crush Armenia's tank army. Israel is not pro-Christian. Indeed a faithful Jew is required to spit when he passes a Church or sees a Christian.
The entire 1400-year history of Islam should not reassure any "infidel".
"If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done..."
Ummm, yeah... Iran is just another Grenada waiting to be put in its place by God's Country (TM).
Our words and actions over the past seventy-odd years "surely have not soothed an (Iranian) observer's concerns about the intentions of the" Zionist States of America.
Iran has every reason to want a nuclear weapon - and yet, according to UN investigators, they are refraining from developing one. They might as well arm themselves, our Masters have made the decision that we will destroy Iran for them, nukes or no nukes.
"One and done". It's the world economy that will be done.
If Iran DOES have a nuke, Scott Ritter suggested Iran needs to test it in some Iranian desert now, so that the US, China, Russia, etc, KNOW Iran has one.
Then, Iran, like North Korea and Pakistan (and unlike Qaddafi/Libya and Saddam/Iraq) becomes largely "untouchable".
Or course, showing that card would show that Iran violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Iran signed. This might have some serious economic consequences if Russia and China frowned on it. (The big powers had, and have, a vested interest in monopolizing nuclear weapons).
On the other hand, Israel never signed the NPT. That alone should have made Israel ineligible for any US military aid. Think of the money and geopolitical turmoil we could have saved....
I have no idea why some people expect Trump to loudly telegraph his true intentions so enemies can form effective strategies. I recommend Badlands Media show Geopolitics with Ghost for a full analysis of what Trump, Putin, MBS, et al, are quietly up to in the Middle East. The current wars are very connected & will likely both be resolved in a single deal, possibly hosted by Qatar. It very much appears that the deals (including Putin's completion of denazification this summer) have already been made & we're just watching the pre-arranged theatre play out. Right now it seems we're waiting out Netanyahu's demise as his nation teeters on the brink of civil war. And Trump just cranked up the heat on Israel's economy by making them the only country to not receive tariff relief in return for dropping theirs. Oh, & while everyone was distracted by bombing Yemen, Trump very quietly approved Egypt's plan to rebuild Gaza without displacing the Palestinians.
But hey, gloom & doom all you want. Just don't ask me for sources as I am no one's secretary! Go ask Grok to find them for you. Also, I'm no longer in the business of pursuasion, as I can't help anyone anyway if they can't simply sense that the forces of darkness are on the ropes. I can pray for y'all, that's about it.
Yes and think of all those dead Jews.
Win win in your book.
Only Jewish lives matter to Bin.
Not true I value life except in the case of a group of people who put terrorists into power then engage in kidnapping, rapes, murders, bombings, running people over with cars/truck/tractors, suicide bombers and all the other general mayhem Palestinkians have been involved in.
Surprised Lugh cares about nasty brown people oh wait they are killing Jews and the enemy of my enemy is my friend right peeyou Lugh?
Go back to listening to old screwdriver records.
So your group hasn't undermined White, Western Civilization with mass 3rd World immigration? It's obvious that they have.
Haha. Ben-Gurion, always out there shilling for the dual citizens.
What group is that?
Are you telegraphing fake news again screwwy lughie?
C’mon, Lugh, Ben is no Leftie wacko as you seem to claim.