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SocratesDetroit's avatar

Although disputed, "Providence" intervened to let Corporal Adolf Hitler live. One corporal Henry Tandey is reputed to have been in a position to shoot a wounded Hitler dead in WW1, but did not do so.

Now, I am NOT saying Trump is Hitler (like many Trump-haters and Democrats do). I supported Trump (in the past). I despised Biden and campaigned AGAINST Crooked Joe in 2024. (That's not the same as supporting Trump).

It is miraculous Trump survived Butler, PA, I agree. However, after his first 100 days, it's clear that peace is not a priority for Mr. Trump, and if alternative and mainstream news accounts are correct, he appears to be intent on precipitating a massive escalation in WW3 by attacking Iran, which likely will torpedo the entire world economy--and this will sink the US.

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John Schrauth's avatar

Some are claiming Iran already has a nuke or two. They had a lot of help from President Clinton and of course the Shiaphile Obama. One will note every action taken by Obama favored Shiites over any other sect. Curiously favorable agreements made by "towering intellects" like Lurch Kerry surely have not soothed an observer's concerns about the intentions of the Islamic Republic.

Unlike the bufoons preceding him, Trump goes for the win. If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done, but only if he believes there is going to be a nuclear attack from them. None of this boots on the ground and nation building crap. "...and there ain't gonna be no wine tasting after."

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SocratesDetroit's avatar

John, Setting aside the many shades of grey in the first paragraph (for the sake of brevity here), in the second paragraph you seem pretty confident that an attack on Iran will be "decisive".

There won't be any boots on the ground because America has no boots to send. The army and marine corps are rather small. Yet, history has shown that to defeat an adversary nation, it is necessary to occupy part or all of them. Look at Desert Storm (Iraq war 1). How did Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan turn out for the US? The US however did occupy Japan and Germany.

Iran has already demonstrated that it can reach out and hit Israel. That means they can hit oil wells and loading terminals. They can probably choke or close the Strait of Hormuz. Once you back the Iranian regime (or any regime) into a corner, with no way out, they will respond with everything they have. They may even be able to hit US ships. Perhaps we will find out, unfortunately.

Next, Iran is not an isolated nation. It is linked to the bigger global picture. It is not in China's, or Russia's interest to have the US/Israel dominate the Persian Gulf (maybe Trump wants to rename it "Gulf of Aramco?"). They won't sit idly by and watch.

Outside of Iran, there is a lot of pressure in the Middle East. Many fanatic Sunni Arabs, rich and poor, may hate the Shiite Persians--but several of them hate the US and Israel more; others hate the US and Israel more, and the despise their ruling governments. One cannot rule out the possibility of uncorking instability in those countries.

There are lots of things that could go wrong, some I have listed, others I can't even imagine at this point.

Also, you seem to overlook that the US, as an advanced modern society, dependent on trade as well as communications networks, has many vulnerable points. Complexity breeds fragility. We could implode in short order, without a single bomb or gunshot going off in this country. We are a soft country, with a lot of "needs", in a world where our relative strength is constantly shrinking (because much of the rest of the world is growing stronger faster than we are).

Also, Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors or bombed and killed thousands of civilians. More importantly, for America Firsters, Iran has not killed any Americans that I know of. Israel has killed several dozen--the USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, and more.

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John Schrauth's avatar

Thanks, but we've heard all this from the ineffectual Iran appeasement faction too many times already.

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Lugh's avatar

In other words, you don't care that Iran is relatively peaceful and Israel is very warlike. You like who you like and that's the end of it. There's no dealing with wild eyed fanatics like you. You're going to get us nuked sooner or later.

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John Schrauth's avatar

" Relatively peaceful." That merits a ROTFLMFAO!

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Blackbird's avatar

No, no nukes, we will just have our country destroyed. Our Masters don't want to irradiate our stuff, they just want us gone - or at least powerless - so they can take our stuff.

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rd3's avatar
Apr 5Edited

Are you old enough to recall the neocon scare tactics that it was only a matter of days before Iran had a nuke and would nuke NYC or unleash a dirty bomb on the US? In this day, if a nuke was launched, it would either be directly from Israel, or from the US, at the behest of of their AIPAC masters.

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Ben's avatar
Apr 4Edited

Iran has demonstrated they can shoot ineffective drones and a couple of rockets which did little damage thanks to the Iron dome.

Iran is toothless which is why they run mouth and do very little.

They lost most of their air defense, lost several missile factories and a few other items I can't remember, and Israeli aircraft did not so much as get a scratch.

It took months for Iranians to actually comment one way or the other which round about proves they got ass handed to them.

Iran is fucked if they don't start making nice and quit with proxy war bullshit.

China and Russia won't do anything for IRAN BUT BLUSTER.

Russia is bleeding out in Ukraine and China does not want direct military confrontation until they go after Tawain.

The Shiite Sunni schism is easily leveraged back into a hot war.

It will happen sooner or later without any prodding they literally HATE each other over grievances that are six hundred years old.

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Lugh's avatar

The Iron Dome is too slow to stop Russian hypersonic missiles.

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Ben's avatar

Better known as vaporware.

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rd3's avatar

I had a fevered, pleasant dream the other day that I woke up and Israel was glass.

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Paul B, Cohen's avatar

Iran is responsible for massive bloodshed - what the hell are you talking about? First, starting in their own country. They terrorize and murder many in Iran. They also arm and instigate other militants in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Judea and Samaria and to bring about death and destruction to many.

As for the USS Liberty, that was a fog of war incident. Israel never intended to and has never attacked Americans. But Iranians have killed Americans deliberately as in the Beirut bombing of the US Marine barracks, which they actively supported. They often talk about destroying the Great Satan. Read the Hamas Charter, Iran's affiliate, and see what the end game is for Islamic jihad, but you refuse to open your eyes or ears.

Rachel Corrie was a troublemaker who put herself deliberately into harm's way where she had absolutely no business and got herself killed.

Get behind me, Satan, with your lying poisonous tongue.

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Lugh's avatar
Apr 5Edited

Israel sold state of the art drones to the Muslim Azeris enabling them to crush Armenia's tank army. Israel is not pro-Christian. Indeed a faithful Jew is required to spit when he passes a Church or sees a Christian.

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Roger Beal's avatar

The entire 1400-year history of Islam should not reassure any "infidel".

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Blackbird's avatar

"If he moves against Iran it will be overwhelming and decisive, one and done..."

Ummm, yeah... Iran is just another Grenada waiting to be put in its place by God's Country (TM).

Our words and actions over the past seventy-odd years "surely have not soothed an (Iranian) observer's concerns about the intentions of the" Zionist States of America.

Iran has every reason to want a nuclear weapon - and yet, according to UN investigators, they are refraining from developing one. They might as well arm themselves, our Masters have made the decision that we will destroy Iran for them, nukes or no nukes.

"One and done". It's the world economy that will be done.

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SocratesDetroit's avatar

If Iran DOES have a nuke, Scott Ritter suggested Iran needs to test it in some Iranian desert now, so that the US, China, Russia, etc, KNOW Iran has one.

Then, Iran, like North Korea and Pakistan (and unlike Qaddafi/Libya and Saddam/Iraq) becomes largely "untouchable".

Or course, showing that card would show that Iran violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Iran signed. This might have some serious economic consequences if Russia and China frowned on it. (The big powers had, and have, a vested interest in monopolizing nuclear weapons).

On the other hand, Israel never signed the NPT. That alone should have made Israel ineligible for any US military aid. Think of the money and geopolitical turmoil we could have saved....

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Magdalene's avatar

I have no idea why some people expect Trump to loudly telegraph his true intentions so enemies can form effective strategies. I recommend Badlands Media show Geopolitics with Ghost for a full analysis of what Trump, Putin, MBS, et al, are quietly up to in the Middle East. The current wars are very connected & will likely both be resolved in a single deal, possibly hosted by Qatar. It very much appears that the deals (including Putin's completion of denazification this summer) have already been made & we're just watching the pre-arranged theatre play out. Right now it seems we're waiting out Netanyahu's demise as his nation teeters on the brink of civil war. And Trump just cranked up the heat on Israel's economy by making them the only country to not receive tariff relief in return for dropping theirs. Oh, & while everyone was distracted by bombing Yemen, Trump very quietly approved Egypt's plan to rebuild Gaza without displacing the Palestinians.

But hey, gloom & doom all you want. Just don't ask me for sources as I am no one's secretary! Go ask Grok to find them for you. Also, I'm no longer in the business of pursuasion, as I can't help anyone anyway if they can't simply sense that the forces of darkness are on the ropes. I can pray for y'all, that's about it.

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Ben's avatar

Yes and think of all those dead Jews.

Win win in your book.

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Lugh's avatar

Only Jewish lives matter to Bin.

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Ben's avatar

Not true I value life except in the case of a group of people who put terrorists into power then engage in kidnapping, rapes, murders, bombings, running people over with cars/truck/tractors, suicide bombers and all the other general mayhem Palestinkians have been involved in.

Surprised Lugh cares about nasty brown people oh wait they are killing Jews and the enemy of my enemy is my friend right peeyou Lugh?

Go back to listening to old screwdriver records.

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Lugh's avatar

So your group hasn't undermined White, Western Civilization with mass 3rd World immigration? It's obvious that they have.

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rd3's avatar

Haha. Ben-Gurion, always out there shilling for the dual citizens.

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Ben's avatar

What group is that?

Are you telegraphing fake news again screwwy lughie?

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JohnAZ's avatar

C’mon, Lugh, Ben is no Leftie wacko as you seem to claim.

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Ben's avatar
Apr 4Edited

Iran appears eager for the confrontation so who is really pushing for World War 3?

It is not normal for a world leaders to send private letters specifically asking other countries leaders to come to the peace table to hash stuff out if they are intent on another war.

Not like McCain who famously and poorly sang BOMB BOMB BOMB iRAaaaaaaaaAN after suggesting they send Iran an Airmail message it is interesting that I can no longer find the word Iran in this terrible song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

Iran is far more comfortable being the turd in the punchbowl with proxy wars where they don't get their dainty little hands dirty.

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Paving the Way's avatar

Israel needs the wars and Trump needs money from Israel's deep pocket managers.

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Paul B, Cohen's avatar

Israel needs wars like you need cancer. Maybe you both do in a larger sense, but you're going to have to do something about it if you can.

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Ben's avatar
Apr 4Edited

No not really but thanks for the opinion.

Its the middle east after all which is always at war.

All one need do is make fun of the "prophet" of Islam and walla war.

Also, for reference Trump leveled tariffs on Israel and Israel caved and very fast.

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Outsider's avatar

Why on earth was Israel leveling tariffs on its main benefactor, the US, in the first place? Is it to rub our noses into the muck, just to show how much they own us?

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Paul B, Cohen's avatar

You should actually search out the answer to your question before postulating before everyone, but it appears you're actually proud of yourself for having Israel Derangement Syndrome.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Outsider

Could it be that all the countries, especially our “Allies”, Israel, Europe, Britain, Canada, Mexico have been waging the KIng of the Mountain game with the USA forever. I really favorite Trump’s agenda here, to punish the countries that have taken advantage all these years. Especially our “friends”. The world is about to learn the power of the USA consumer base.

At least with Russia and China, we know who our enemies are.

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Ben's avatar

Simplest reason greed.

How ever tariffs are used primarily to protect a countries industry from cheaper or better products by making them more expensive.

Israel has a weapons industry, chips, clothes and food.

One of the biggest mistakes in all this tariff stuff was not broadcasting loudly every country tariffs on American goods what they are and how much in dollars they are making.

Percentage points get lost in the noise.

When the details are there, the idiots can't argue how unfair it is to reciprocal tariff other countries products well some still will because they are irrational and delusional but honest people won't.

Trump did say that this was going to be initially painful.

Watching the stocks go down I have a key number of picks I want to buy when I think they hit the bottom.

I initially had both nVidia and Amd at just over three dollars and stupidly sold them when they went up to around $10.

Same with apple I bought apple when I heard Bill Gates was going to help them but chickened out and sold long before I should have.

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Lugh's avatar

Maybe he did, but who would know as his enemies control the media?

Why not let the State have one channel people can tune into and by which Trump or whoever can communicate directly with the people?

Or Trump could have made a major speech about the tariffs. They'd have to cover it, as much as they hated it. Seems like an error that he didn't do that.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Buy call options: Cheaper and, if you stay alert, they offer a better risk/reward ratio.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Ben, the stock market reaction show how much the Left empire AND foreign influence affect our economy barometers. Look around and I will bet that Soros, Rothschild, Rockefeller are all trying to exacerbate the reaction.

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Ben's avatar

I forget who I was listening to, but they said money was being pulled from the US stock market and put into the European one.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Yep, not surprised. Money does not just disappear, it is re-invested elsewhere. Gold comes to mind, or foreign resources? Eventually, when the Chicken Littles come to their senses, they will bring all their money back plus invest in the new manufacturing base of the USA.

BTW, on Netflix, check out “Founder”. The story of Ray Kroc and McDonalds.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Yeah, I agree with you. Trump, again, has underestimated the power of the Leftists to stop his agenda, especially the judicial side. He needs SCOTUS to stop the overstepping by these Leftist stooges. If he does not get this stopped, we are going to see a re-play of #1. Populist MAGA will be overwhelmed by the Leftist power base that is still in power. Number one is the media, that is overwhelmingly Far-Left, and is the “programmer” of the mind of Joe Average. If they convince the country that Trump is BAD, and 2026 sees a Dem comeback in the House, #2 will be a race to see how fast Trump’s MAGA can be destroyed with ongoing impeachments.

As mentioned here, it probably all depends on John Roberts and his side kick, Amy Barrett.

Dems + RINOS = Control?

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Outsider's avatar

Since ACB has become Roberts' sidekick, what are the chances that she'll stray from him and vote with the 4 conservative Justices? From the way she looked away from Trump when he greeted her after his SOTU speech, it's not hard to see where her loyalties lie. Super lawyer Robert Barnes warned Trump not to pick ACB after Justice Ginsburg died. Seems he's been proven right.

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rd3's avatar

Her loyalties lie in Haiti.

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Paul B, Cohen's avatar

The Iranian regime, following in the footsteps of Muhammad, has been attacking the US from its beginning. Dealing with them now, belated as it is, isn't WW3 - it's putting down a lawbreaking troublemaker. Your chicken little shtick should be retired.

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Dianne Warner's avatar

Then— your strategy is to stand by and wait until Iran nukes Israel and us?

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Paving the Way's avatar

I am more concerned about Israel's nuclear capabilities (that it has never disclosed) as was John F. Kennedy just before he was murdered in 1963. Iran's desire to defend itself with nukes is logical given that their expansionist neighbor has them. Iranian nuclear capability would create a balance of power in the Middle East. Or the alternative - just let Israel and its co-dependent friend with big bombs and big boats wipe out every perceived threat in the region until it owns everything.

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MarshaLouise's avatar

Not enough substance to base WWIII on…

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Roger Beal's avatar

Since when do megalomaniacs need "substance"?

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