"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine
Well first, "belief" is not a church, Jesus was totally against them because they eventually devolve into epicenters of manipulation and mind control. A belief system on the other hand, wouldn’t you know it: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is central to every single major one of them (barring satanism which is do what thou wilt):
Christianity:
In everything, do to others as you would have them to to you; for this is the law and the prophets. (Jesus, Matt: 7:12)
Sikhism:
I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all. (Guru Granth Sahib, p. 1299)
Islam:
Not One of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for your self. (Mohammad, Hadith)
Zorastrianism:
Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. (Shayast-na-Sayast 13.29)
Hinduism:
This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would case pain if done to you (Mahabharata 5:1517)
Buddhism:
Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. (Udana-Varga 5:18)
Judaism:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole of the Torah; all the rest is commentary. (Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
Jainism:
One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated. (Mahavira, Sutrakritanga)
Taoism:
Regard your neighbour’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss. (T’ai Shang Kan Ying P’ien 213-218)
Every day "I do unto others as I would have them do unto me."
It's fuckin innate common sense!
I don't need some crazy ancient books to tell me that.
Christian's only have two choices: Obey God or burn in hell forever!"
There are other options, such as don't obey and don't burn in hell because it doesn't exist; and still do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Why do I need forgiveness from an invincible mass murderer?
My morality is derived from tribal utility borne of generations of human evolution. Good social behaviour is necessary to advance a species. “Morality” is behaviour that keeps you safe. Killing, raping, and stealing, are not conducive to remaining safe from reprisal. We behave, “morally” to minimize threat to our own safety. We learned through evolution that survival requires lowering risk to ourselves.
Good morality is how we reduce risk. Morality does not come from the Bible.
If you concede that only GOD stops you from doing bad things, then you are a bad person who is only kept in check by your own cowardice.
Sadly, what I do know: is that I too many times see the lack of morality in the actions of many professed religious people and movements.
Enough of your bullshit, TriTorch! Just present the evidence for the existence of the divine. Gods only exist in the minds of people who need him to give them answers to questions they want to hear.
We all need to stop wasting our time trying to please the supernatural and concentrate on improving the welfare of human beings.
"My morality is derived from tribal utility [...]."
So is the morality of the 0.01% currently engaged in a global cull-and-control agenda to create the global digital gulag of Agenda 21-2030. Good luck in your engagements with that 'morality'.
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine
Well first, "belief" is not a church, Jesus was totally against them because they eventually devolve into epicenters of manipulation and mind control. A belief system on the other hand, wouldn’t you know it: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is central to every single major one of them (barring satanism which is do what thou wilt):
Christianity:
In everything, do to others as you would have them to to you; for this is the law and the prophets. (Jesus, Matt: 7:12)
Sikhism:
I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all. (Guru Granth Sahib, p. 1299)
Islam:
Not One of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for your self. (Mohammad, Hadith)
Zorastrianism:
Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. (Shayast-na-Sayast 13.29)
Hinduism:
This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would case pain if done to you (Mahabharata 5:1517)
Buddhism:
Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. (Udana-Varga 5:18)
Judaism:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole of the Torah; all the rest is commentary. (Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
Jainism:
One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated. (Mahavira, Sutrakritanga)
Taoism:
Regard your neighbour’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss. (T’ai Shang Kan Ying P’ien 213-218)
Every day "I do unto others as I would have them do unto me."
It's fuckin innate common sense!
I don't need some crazy ancient books to tell me that.
Christian's only have two choices: Obey God or burn in hell forever!"
There are other options, such as don't obey and don't burn in hell because it doesn't exist; and still do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Why do I need forgiveness from an invincible mass murderer?
My morality is derived from tribal utility borne of generations of human evolution. Good social behaviour is necessary to advance a species. “Morality” is behaviour that keeps you safe. Killing, raping, and stealing, are not conducive to remaining safe from reprisal. We behave, “morally” to minimize threat to our own safety. We learned through evolution that survival requires lowering risk to ourselves.
Good morality is how we reduce risk. Morality does not come from the Bible.
If you concede that only GOD stops you from doing bad things, then you are a bad person who is only kept in check by your own cowardice.
Sadly, what I do know: is that I too many times see the lack of morality in the actions of many professed religious people and movements.
Enough of your bullshit, TriTorch! Just present the evidence for the existence of the divine. Gods only exist in the minds of people who need him to give them answers to questions they want to hear.
We all need to stop wasting our time trying to please the supernatural and concentrate on improving the welfare of human beings.
"My morality is derived from tribal utility [...]."
So is the morality of the 0.01% currently engaged in a global cull-and-control agenda to create the global digital gulag of Agenda 21-2030. Good luck in your engagements with that 'morality'.
WTF are you ranting about, Sheila?
Off your meds again I see.
Which bit did you not understand, Dennis?
Why do you limit yourself to ad homs to avoid dealing with actual issues?