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They used to scream how awful it was when that monster Cheney said they were creating their own reality. They have no reality now themselves to see the difference. I got out and looked inside my former party very carefully from the outside. The frogs are still clueless in their getting hotter pot on the stove. My thanksgiving divided into 2 factions in 2 towns. One that harpy Joy Reid told them to do. I was in the one that doesn’t give a rats patootie what your politics is as a family.

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They put Cheney to shame - oh the irony.

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Was it Cheney who said that, or maybe Rove? Rove had that famous election-night meltdown when his preferred reality was failing to materialize.

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It was Rove.

Although I hate Darth Cheney as much as you can hate a cyborg like that. When is he/it going to die already? Maybe an EMP would solve that problem.

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Cheney did say it also. I heard him say it and it stuck in my head. I was pretty active anti war. I contacted congress all the time, marched in DC, wrote letters to the editor, had signs in my yard showing numbers of dead, the works.

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The "works" didn't work, did they Janet? There's a lesson in there. The only thing these fuckers understand is kinetics. How long until we understand that? Time to get after it.

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At least I tried to do something instead of getting on blogs and complaining and griping and doing nothing, which most do. I went into co gressionsl offices, paid good money to fly 1000 miles. Attended meetings. Ye@h, maybe it didn’t work but I moved my backside didn’t I?

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@Janet - I recall two turning points in the past 20 years or so that caused me to flip between parties. When Bush decided to bomb Iraq after 9/11 and when the Mueller report found nothing on Trump. 2 Ah Hah moments. I think more of us are now getting clarity on what we've been living through for a long, long time.

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Good for you Janet, God bless you! Ignore the naysayers.

If a tiny fraction (1%) of Americans did a just SOME of what you did (contact Congress, or march in DC), our country would be in a MUCH better place today. (I wrote my Senator/Congressman about Iraq 1x, got a lame non-answer)

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Well, I’m not a Republican either. That bunch killed way more needlessly and drove 15 million people from their homes or country. Never noticed that? . I expect much failure will come from this new bunch, but in my mind it’s better than the soon to be old bunch. Im not going to defend or explain any fucking thing I did or do to you about my actions, Sonny.

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When you are perfect, let me know. I’m old. Stuff it.

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"The only thing these fuckers understand is kinetics."

Having grown up in a family where every single male, apart from my brother, worked for defense contractors, I totally get this.

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Way to welcome me into your fold, Ronny boy.

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Yer a bitch. Shoot the messenger, ignore the message. Yeah, that always works out well.

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Cheney did say it. I heard him and it stuck. I was an active anti war democrat then.

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“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

― Karl Rove

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You don't care if family members are traitors? That's a very extreme attitude also.

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Come on. I’m old. I’m over this shit. If that’s your attitude about family, no, I wouldn’t want you in my house.

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Lay off the bottle, lady.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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So traitors are fine, but not family members who object to traitors - they can't come in.

You just contradicted your own position. A little philosophy is a dangerous thing. You see, the answer to bad philosophy is not no philosophy, but good philosophy.

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And I’m so not surprised the resident incel is chiming in. Picking off some low hanging fruit? It’s winter don’t you have some firewood to cut? Oh wait…

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I started the thread, dummy. You're catty but not intelligent and a woman.

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Way to put a focus on your stupidity. You didn’t start the thread dummy

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Know one thing. This is how the regulars who are women on here cancel other women on here. Specially new women. They accuse you of drinking. handles of vodka in my case. Just ignore those comments because though they may be catty bitches they are pretty intelligent but they are women.

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My gawd your response pisses me the fuck off. You are one of the most intelligent people on here why do you resort to such garbage.

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