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SocratesDetroit's avatar

Complete and utter BS.

Israel is an apartheid state (per Amnesty Internation, Human Rights Watch, and most important B't Selem, an ISRAELI human rights group).

Before Oct 07, Kim Iverson, hardly a radical, did podcasts from the occupied West Bank, where she discussed life for the Palestinians, having their land, water, homes, and even lives taken, and subject to checkpoints and arbitrary arrest at any time, for any reason.

Desmond Tutu of South Africa said the Palestinians had it worse than the Blacks in SA during apartheid.

Israel does not like being an apartheid state and has not liked it. They are not going to give the Palestinians equal rights, so they are trying to eliminate the Palestinians. The plan was to use Oct 07 as a pretext to kill quite a few of them, render Gaza uninhabitable, and make the Palestinians leave Gaza, and then repeat in the West Bank.

The Israelis have killed a lot of Palestinians and rendered Gaza largely uninhabitable, but it appears the Palestinians have realized that if they leave, like they did in 1948 or 1967, they will never return, so they are holding on.

The only lies are the blatant lies of Israelis ("they bayoneted babies!") debunked by several. Then we have the blatant lies of the media, and lies of omission by the mainstream media and even CFN.

The true situation is that Israel wants to eliminate the Palestinians, and that the US/Israel want to have hegemony over the Middle East, by making sure other countries are either US puppets, or totally impotent.

JHK has had some good guests of stature, who are not popular with the MSM, Dmitry Orlov comes to mind. But they didn't discuss Israel, the discussed the US and compared to the USSR. Russia survived the implosion--will America?

Why doesn't JHK invite Prof. John Mearsheimer on his podcast, to discuss what is REALLY going on? Or Max Blumenthal? Perhaps some of you might learn something.

How is it that Trump and Harris, most Republicans and Democrats, blindly support Israel? Miriam Adelson boasts of how much Trump did for Israel, and that's why she is donating $100 million to PACs; Haim Saban does the same for K Harris and donates $40 million.

Israel's stated goals were to eliminate Hamas and "recover the hostages. The unstated goal is to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Israel has failed on all counts. So Israel is now attacking Lebanon and doing what it does best, killing civilians. Israel is also escalating with Iran, as Israel wants to draw the US in.

And that's why Adelson and Saban and the Israeli Lobby have bought the US government. To make sure the US does what Israel wants.

We will see, if the internet stays up, and is still relatively free (note that CFN has not come back...) what people will have to say, if and when the attack on Iran leads to massive war that affects the US directly, or indirectly topples the house of cards here.

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Ah, Desmond Tutu - here's a response to Tutu's claim of Israel committing genocide written some years ago while that little poseur was still self-righteously walking the earth and bamboozling the ignorant and credulous. Written by Simon Deng, a Sudanese man who, in his childhood, experienced his village being destroyed by jihadists with himself captured and sold into horribly degrading slavery. He escaped after 2.5 years.

"Where is Desmond Tutu when my people in Sudan call out for freedom?

"Late last month, I went to hear Bishop Desmond Tutu speak at Boston's Old South Church at a conference on "Israel Apartheid." Tutu is a well respected man of God. He brought reconciliation between blacks and whites in South Africa. That he would lead a conference that damns the Jewish state is very disturbing to me.

"The State of Israel is not an apartheid state. I know because I write this from Jerusalem where I have seen Arab mothers peacefully strolling with their families -- even though I also drove on Israeli roads protected by walls and fences from Arab bullets and stones. I know Arabs go to Israeli schools, and get the best medical care in the world. I know they vote and have elected representatives to the Israeli Parliament. I see street signs in Arabic, an official language here. None of this was true for blacks under Apartheid in Tutu's South Africa.

"I also know countries that do deserve the apartheid label: My country, Sudan, is on the top of the list, but so are Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. What has happened to my people in Sudan is a thousand times worse than Apartheid in South Africa. And no matter how the Palestinians suffer, they suffer nothing compared to my people. Nothing. And most of the suffering is the fault of their leaders. Bishop Tutu, I see black Jews walking down the street here in Jerusalem. Black like us, free and proud.

"Tutu said Israeli checkpoints are a nightmare. But checkpoints are there because Palestinians are sent into Israel to blow up and kill innocent women and children. Tutu wants checkpoints removed. Do you not have doors in your home, Bishop? Does that make your house an apartheid house? If someone, Heaven forbid, tried to enter with a bomb, we would want you to have security people "humiliating" your guests with searches, and we would not call you racist for doing so. We all go through checkpoints at every airport. Are the airlines being racist? No.

"Yes, the Palestinians are inconvenienced at checkpoints. But why, Bishop Tutu, do you care more about that inconvenience than about Jewish lives?

"Bishop, when you used to dance for Mandela's freedom, we Africans -- all over Africa -- joined in. Our support was key in your freedom. But when children in Burundi and Kinshasa, all the way to Liberia and Sierra Leone, and in particular in Sudan, cried and called for rescue, you heard but chose to be silent.

"Today, black children are enslaved in Sudan, the last place in the continent of Africa where humans are owned by other humans -- I was part of the movement to stop slavery in Mauritania, which just now abolished the practice. But you were not with us, Bishop Tutu.

"So where is Desmond Tutu when my people call out for freedom? Slaughter and genocide and slavery are lashing Africans right now. Where are you for Sudan, Bishop Tutu? You are busy attacking the Jewish state. Why?"

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