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Jeanne Dukes's avatar

Hard to tell what you are asking specifically. How do I know what? That the country is constitutionally illiterate? Supremes refused to hear the Brunson case so the point is moot.

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E. Grogan's avatar

Last I heard on Brunson case is that it was scheduled to be decided if it was heard or not and the result of their decision was never published on the U.S. Supreme Court website, which always publishes all results and progress of every case they handle. I went to the U.S. Supreme Court website and checked it out myself, I followed every result that was posted. Brunson was asked to sign an NDA, which he did but the results of their decision have never been published. Supreme ALWAYS, without fail, takes a long break in summer but this time they stayed in session until at least August. Why do you think they would do that? And why did Loy Brunson sign an NDA? It looks like this case is not over, I've read it is still on the docket. btw, I'm not constitutionally illiterate, I studied this thoroughly back in grade school in 1960s when it was still taught and I have a copy of the constitution that I always keep handy to consult. I use it often. I'm 70 y.o. and many in my age bracket know the constitution quite well.

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Jeanne Dukes's avatar

I was speaking to the government in particular regarding the constitution. If they followed the constitution, again, we wouldn't be in this mess. I do not follow that case. I am way older than you and still find so few know their rights or much about the constitution. It's sad really. Perhaps now people will become more cognizant and eager to learn.

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E. Grogan's avatar

Your last sentence - yes, I agree, I sure hope so. Too many young people especially have no idea about Constitution. Also agreeing about the govt not knowing. I've watched Trump for a very long time, I'm certain he knows Constitution inside and out, he has ALWAYS been a very patriotic American. I remember back in 1980 he talked about America going downhill and was very sad about it. Several yrs later he expressed that sentiment again and said he might have to run for president some day but really didn't want to, politics is a very mean place and he has a great life is what he said. He has given up a lot to be president and try to straighten out America. His friends & his enemies both have said about him: "Never underestimate Trump. NEVER." 45 yrs of watching him and I've never seen him lose in the end. He might have but not at this point. He has studied deep state for decades.

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Jeanne Dukes's avatar

Trump does NOT know the constitution. Being patriotic and knowing the constitution is 2 different things. If he was going to follow it he wouldn't be writing so many EO's and his first term would have turned out much better. I have watched and listened to Trump since he was a young man. I am aware of how he works and how he thinks. I've been here awhile...lol

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VHMan's avatar

You raised the point (conflating patriotism and constitutional knowledge) I was about to make earlier, but stayed my hand.

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OTOH/IMHO's avatar

Well, each elected representative, as well as all federal appointments, including military officers, take an oath to "support and defend the Constitution." This would seem to imply that if they were not up on what was in it at the time, they voluntarily took it upon themselves to find out what they were supporting. It would make a lot of sense to require all of them, just as one has to do to get a drivers license, to pass a written test before they could be finally confirmed in office.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

That's a tall order. The American people are not a moral people any more. There is no incentive for them to abide by the Constitution anymore.

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Jeanne Dukes's avatar

The fact that you're an American and love America should be incentive enough but, sadly, it isn't. Not a moral people any more? When were they ever?

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Well, I was born here but my ancestors were Danish vikings. I guess that makes me a viking-American. I love the idea of America but unfortunately, the idea of America that I love died when Andy Jackson went into the Presidency a poor man and came out a multi-millionaire and when old Abe Lincoln destroyed the south over the Morrill Tarriff. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon finished the job. That means that this shit was started more than a hundred years before I was born.

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Jeanne Dukes's avatar

I don't disagree.

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