Also don't be confused by the fake news about increased number of hurricanes, the trend for the last 100 years is still flat. However they have changed the ways that they measure wind speed and also the use of untested models which overall make things seem worse than they are. This was a rare event, but it's not going to turn into a regular event.
And then there was Milton. The Gulf is definitely warmer and staying warmer deeper into the autumn. Heck, Phoenix is too, it will STILL be 100+ this week. More heat, more energy. More uplift, more rain, more wind, more storm surge and slower abatement over land. It is not rocket science. The retention of more heat energy later in the season is the key, whether it is on sea or land. Storms are on the boundary between cold and warm air. As the north cools down in fall, if the south retains heat, which it is, the gradient between the two increases, intensifying the storms following the jet stream. BTW, look at the backwards moving Milton. Following the jet stream boundary between the Gulf air and an arctic front, it looks like another ball buster. Watch out, Tampa and watch out Charleston if it makes a left turn like Helene. TWC is calling Milton a 100 year storm.
Milton won't even go in as a CAT 4. The worship of weather gods was supposed to have gone out with the Age of Enlightenment but 24x7 hype has brought it back full force. Sad.
The temperature of the earth has been decreasing for thousands of years. Good, God, read a book.
Milton will not go in a a category five? Are you disappointed? It was just announced it is now a cat 5. The storm surge will destroy downtown Tampa if it hits right. It will clobber mid-Florida, and that includes Disney World. It is all being evacuated as we speak today. Good God, get your head out of the book and just look around, long term may be cooling but it is getting hotter now. Science does not have a clue why, neither do you. In the meantime, we are breaking hundred + records here. And the storms are getting more intense.
It is a 5 now but will go in as a weak 4 or strong 3 according to forecasts. You hyper-ventilators and storm masturbators are the ones that get so disappointed when someone disputes the holy word of climate priests who've brainwashed you into believing the hoax. "Just look around." Yeah, that's how science works. You ever think that maybe "it's getting hotter now" comes from the same people, NASA, who were caught manipulating climate data? And, no, we are not breaking 100 year records at any faster clip that they've been broken in the past.
You know, funny thing about a lot of those old records. They indicate it got pretty damn hot here and there a long time ago, huh? And where are all of these thermometers that show "how much hotter it is now"? Maybe a bit too close to cities? Yep. That's been show to be major factor in the overly high readings. Funny how just forty years ago scientists who are still alive today forecasted gloom and doom over the next impending ice age. The covers of Time magazine are littered with them. I guess that didn't sell enough electric cars, though. Time to change course.
People like you will see what they are influenced to see both by their own ego, bias, belief system and people pushing propaganda for their own purposes. I'm looking at things logically, not emotionally.
Thank you. People can go online and find whatever information fits their narrative but they don't seem to be willing to look at who the people are publishing the information or recognize that all of their predictions have failed miserably. Goof ball science like "accumulated cyclone energy" is quite simple to fake because all one has to do is be willing to lie about data that was never measurable to being with, only estimated. Tweak a parameter here and there, combine it with non-stop dishonest reporting on media channels owned completely by people who have an interest in pushing one particular narrative in order to drive government spending and sales of products like EVs, wind farms and solar panels, not to mention total control over people (a pure electric economy will be the end of freedom since your power will be turned off at the push of a button) and there you go. A perfect explanation for the garbage pseudo-science.
The other thing people pushing climate alarmism never try to ask or answer is "at what cost?" You want to cool the climate of Earth based on, again, an arbitrary "target temperature" at what cost? The inflated cost of energy will kill far more people than any incidental increase in temperature mankind could ever inflict upon the planet. And, by the way, increased cost of energy and artificial restriction of resources will resort in what we are seeing now all over the globe: increased war. How's war for the environment?
Well, I guess one way to cool the planet is nuclear winter. We are closer to it now than during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Great job, leaders of the "free" world. But, hey, let's not let a little thing like holistic effects into the picture. We need to reduce the planet's temperature by .5 degrees by any means necessary, yeah? smh
Good and not just because I agree with you. The cost of windfarms by every measure vs what they produce, same with the cost of solar, same with the moronic EV industry. Everything is a fraud and a lie designed to crush and control people and make the globo homos more wealthy and powerful than they are now.
I know people in FLA with Teslas who are worried they will explode from salt water flooding and have them parked away from the house/garage... crazy hun? Storm coming in, and they leave the cars out.. because they might burn down the house lol!
Well, Wilson, are there any better ideas out there on what to do when Peak oil starts hitting hard. I agree, CO2 is a BS power grab, as I said before, BUT an answer to the oil rundown must be found or WMBH will happen, world wide. I wish that nuclear generation would restart right now as we need to preserve oil instead of burning it in cars, NOW.
About 20 years ago, there were articles saying peak oil is a gigantic load of shit, that the mantle of the earth rides along on top of a core of liquid petroleum. This is allegedly the reason why old, spent oil fields recharge and can be made productive again. Whether this is yet another bit of quackery, or if it's accurate information that's being suppressed so we'll go along with the WEF's program, is anybody's guess.
peak oil is controversial but yes I agree, we need to discover different means of generating power for the future. Nuclear is a good option as well as hydrogen and probably many other things. Wind farms, solar and evs arenтАЩt the answers. Somehow there has to be politicians and a population who understand ChestertonтАЩs fence. No matter how greedy and convinced that they are gods.
You are no more тАЬrightтАЭ that either side of the argument, they do not know shit, neither do you. Best guesses is all we get today.
My best guess, the primary cause of warming, storm intensification, glaciers melting ( much faster in the northern hemisphere) the ice extent getting smaller over the North Pole each winter is megapolises, perfect heat storage areas. CO2, nah, if an effect, a thousand times smaller than heat islands. Why is Phoenix hotter longer, CO2? (Laugh out loud!). It is because it is a hundred times larger than it was and has 5 million people here now. Asphalt and concrete store heat all year here, not just in the summer.
Rapid warming in the last few years is likely caused by the Hunga Tonga eruption, which put billions of tons of water vapor into the atmosphere AND warmed the oceans. What goes up, must come down. In the meantime it manifests as additional heat and humidity. We will likely get pronounced cooling in a few years - don't throw away your skis!
The horror to me is that these people, the climate fanatics, either think they are God or are evil. They are so sure that they have the answers. Chesterton's fence is completely and totally ignored. Which tells me everything they do is malicious.
I just don't understand how they can be so certain. There are so many variables and complications. So yes. they are the most terrifying psychopaths. I go back to Chesterton's fence, which is completely ignored.
+1 Thank you! I LOVE when someone's post makes me look something up. Chesterton's fence = important. And, although you probably remember him, George MacDonald and his works are what we need in these dark days. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, and Lewis Carroll, among others, were ardent fans of MacDonald.
THANK YOU for mentioning it! A the time it happened (natural or man made?) I knew that that amount of water vapour in the atmo would be like a hot steamy moist green house... trapping heat... and no one I know would even consider its impact...
One more fact. Hurricanes that follow other hurricanes path weaken as they follow or cross the previous stormтАЩs path. Why, because the previous storm has sucked a bunch of heat out of the oceans making less available for number 2.
We know the reason why, but it's being suppressed. A couple years ago, an underwater volcano erupted in the South Pacific, instantly vaporizing an incredible amount of seawater and launching it into the atmosphere. This water will remain in the atmosphere for years, helping to increase both temperatures and precipitation. I posted this several months ago on CFN, and I believe you thanked me for sharing the information.
The earth along with all other planets in this solar system has been heating and cooling for hundreds of thousands of years. Science has plenty of clues why, but what passes for science today has been taken over by corporate interests who have already come up with their solution which is usually some version of "cap and trade", which doesn't prevent global warming in the slightest, but makes some people quite wealthy while the rest of the zombie class pays to sequester CO2.
I heard that it will begin to fall off quickly, unless that has changed. I haven't looked at the weathermen today, like Ryan Hall Y'all on YT. Now I will. OK Ryan is still prognosticating Cat 3 for Milton at Tampa. That's bad but not as bad as it is now just passing the Yucatan at Cat 4.
Just so you know, Centcom isnтАЩt тАЬCentral CommandтАЭ itтАЩs Middle East Command тАЬcentтАЭ just refers to Asia. South America Com is in Miami and Europe Com is in Germany.
Friends in Marshall & Swannanoa say different. Watch the radar. The storm formation - with an eye and counterclockwise rotation - stays intact - 500 miles over land. Never seen that before.
I was only talking about the wind speed. Radar does not equal wind speed. Wind speed is what makes the difference between a tropical storm and a hurricane. However 50 miles west of Ashville, the wind was over 60 mph, which was to be expected on that side of the storm.
Yirgach - the friends I mention above are still encamped up in the mountains, self-sufficient - they'll be fine. They know their terrain and wind speeds. I'll take their word over any hearsay - anything I hear or read.
Ron - Your friends were very fortunate to be camping in high terrain as they missed the major brunt of the storm, like the extreme rain which caused havoc in the valley rivers and towns.
The Ventusky.com weather page has the ability to go back in time for any statistic, like wind, rain, satellite, etc. Very useful for looking at what happened.
Yirgach - not camping, encamped. They're tucked away, off-grid, 60KW solar capacity topped off batteries, with generator backup if needed. Plenty of other necessities. Talked with them the morning after the storm.
They may have been the only ones in Buncombe County, with power and Sat Phones. You see, they've done what most talk about doing. Again, they'll be fine.
Thanks for the site reference, I'll check it out. You know the site data can be manipulated, right? On-the-ground, word of mouth, not so much.
And it was flooding that was the problem. Two things contributed, one the uplift of the mountains causing upslope conditions which wrings out storms and second, the soil in mountains is shallow and only absorbs a small amount of rain before running off. Now multiply that by a jillion streams and rivers. Was there a guy named Noah building a ship around Asheville?
Uh, going by the last 4 years of unprecedented weather events IтАЩm going to get the stronger roof and generator and have a rain barrelтАжyou can pretend everything is normal. ЁЯШШ
Helene was a tropical storm when it reached Ashville, the recorded wind speed was 45 mph.
But there was a LOT of rain in a very short period of time over mountainous terrain.
Also don't be confused by the fake news about increased number of hurricanes, the trend for the last 100 years is still flat. However they have changed the ways that they measure wind speed and also the use of untested models which overall make things seem worse than they are. This was a rare event, but it's not going to turn into a regular event.
And then there was Milton. The Gulf is definitely warmer and staying warmer deeper into the autumn. Heck, Phoenix is too, it will STILL be 100+ this week. More heat, more energy. More uplift, more rain, more wind, more storm surge and slower abatement over land. It is not rocket science. The retention of more heat energy later in the season is the key, whether it is on sea or land. Storms are on the boundary between cold and warm air. As the north cools down in fall, if the south retains heat, which it is, the gradient between the two increases, intensifying the storms following the jet stream. BTW, look at the backwards moving Milton. Following the jet stream boundary between the Gulf air and an arctic front, it looks like another ball buster. Watch out, Tampa and watch out Charleston if it makes a left turn like Helene. TWC is calling Milton a 100 year storm.
Milton won't even go in as a CAT 4. The worship of weather gods was supposed to have gone out with the Age of Enlightenment but 24x7 hype has brought it back full force. Sad.
The temperature of the earth has been decreasing for thousands of years. Good, God, read a book.
Milton will not go in a a category five? Are you disappointed? It was just announced it is now a cat 5. The storm surge will destroy downtown Tampa if it hits right. It will clobber mid-Florida, and that includes Disney World. It is all being evacuated as we speak today. Good God, get your head out of the book and just look around, long term may be cooling but it is getting hotter now. Science does not have a clue why, neither do you. In the meantime, we are breaking hundred + records here. And the storms are getting more intense.
It is a 5 now but will go in as a weak 4 or strong 3 according to forecasts. You hyper-ventilators and storm masturbators are the ones that get so disappointed when someone disputes the holy word of climate priests who've brainwashed you into believing the hoax. "Just look around." Yeah, that's how science works. You ever think that maybe "it's getting hotter now" comes from the same people, NASA, who were caught manipulating climate data? And, no, we are not breaking 100 year records at any faster clip that they've been broken in the past.
You know, funny thing about a lot of those old records. They indicate it got pretty damn hot here and there a long time ago, huh? And where are all of these thermometers that show "how much hotter it is now"? Maybe a bit too close to cities? Yep. That's been show to be major factor in the overly high readings. Funny how just forty years ago scientists who are still alive today forecasted gloom and doom over the next impending ice age. The covers of Time magazine are littered with them. I guess that didn't sell enough electric cars, though. Time to change course.
People like you will see what they are influenced to see both by their own ego, bias, belief system and people pushing propaganda for their own purposes. I'm looking at things logically, not emotionally.
Ruth Gordon, that was a superb rational response. Well done.
Thank you. People can go online and find whatever information fits their narrative but they don't seem to be willing to look at who the people are publishing the information or recognize that all of their predictions have failed miserably. Goof ball science like "accumulated cyclone energy" is quite simple to fake because all one has to do is be willing to lie about data that was never measurable to being with, only estimated. Tweak a parameter here and there, combine it with non-stop dishonest reporting on media channels owned completely by people who have an interest in pushing one particular narrative in order to drive government spending and sales of products like EVs, wind farms and solar panels, not to mention total control over people (a pure electric economy will be the end of freedom since your power will be turned off at the push of a button) and there you go. A perfect explanation for the garbage pseudo-science.
The other thing people pushing climate alarmism never try to ask or answer is "at what cost?" You want to cool the climate of Earth based on, again, an arbitrary "target temperature" at what cost? The inflated cost of energy will kill far more people than any incidental increase in temperature mankind could ever inflict upon the planet. And, by the way, increased cost of energy and artificial restriction of resources will resort in what we are seeing now all over the globe: increased war. How's war for the environment?
Well, I guess one way to cool the planet is nuclear winter. We are closer to it now than during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Great job, leaders of the "free" world. But, hey, let's not let a little thing like holistic effects into the picture. We need to reduce the planet's temperature by .5 degrees by any means necessary, yeah? smh
Good and not just because I agree with you. The cost of windfarms by every measure vs what they produce, same with the cost of solar, same with the moronic EV industry. Everything is a fraud and a lie designed to crush and control people and make the globo homos more wealthy and powerful than they are now.
I don't know why this isn't obvious to people.
I know people in FLA with Teslas who are worried they will explode from salt water flooding and have them parked away from the house/garage... crazy hun? Storm coming in, and they leave the cars out.. because they might burn down the house lol!
And do they still believe that EVs are a savior of the planet?
Well, Wilson, are there any better ideas out there on what to do when Peak oil starts hitting hard. I agree, CO2 is a BS power grab, as I said before, BUT an answer to the oil rundown must be found or WMBH will happen, world wide. I wish that nuclear generation would restart right now as we need to preserve oil instead of burning it in cars, NOW.
About 20 years ago, there were articles saying peak oil is a gigantic load of shit, that the mantle of the earth rides along on top of a core of liquid petroleum. This is allegedly the reason why old, spent oil fields recharge and can be made productive again. Whether this is yet another bit of quackery, or if it's accurate information that's being suppressed so we'll go along with the WEF's program, is anybody's guess.
It's simple It's not a problem.
peak oil is controversial but yes I agree, we need to discover different means of generating power for the future. Nuclear is a good option as well as hydrogen and probably many other things. Wind farms, solar and evs arenтАЩt the answers. Somehow there has to be politicians and a population who understand ChestertonтАЩs fence. No matter how greedy and convinced that they are gods.
Fuckin' A, Ruth!
You would think at this point we would have learned how the game is played.
You are no more тАЬrightтАЭ that either side of the argument, they do not know shit, neither do you. Best guesses is all we get today.
My best guess, the primary cause of warming, storm intensification, glaciers melting ( much faster in the northern hemisphere) the ice extent getting smaller over the North Pole each winter is megapolises, perfect heat storage areas. CO2, nah, if an effect, a thousand times smaller than heat islands. Why is Phoenix hotter longer, CO2? (Laugh out loud!). It is because it is a hundred times larger than it was and has 5 million people here now. Asphalt and concrete store heat all year here, not just in the summer.
And the vast majority of megapolises are in the Northern Hemisphere.
Here is a very useful table on Accumulated Cyclone Energy.
It shows the North Atlantic at 134 % of normal. There are also several graphics on Global Hurricane Frequency.
Also last 50-years+ of Global Tropical Storm and Hurricane frequency.
The discussion on the page is quite honest and informative.
https://climatlas.com/tropical/
Forecast. https://ibb.co/4PHRxsD
https://ibb.co/xMm23R0
Ruth Gordon, we're not worthy! Slaying with reason and facts. What a concept!!
Rapid warming in the last few years is likely caused by the Hunga Tonga eruption, which put billions of tons of water vapor into the atmosphere AND warmed the oceans. What goes up, must come down. In the meantime it manifests as additional heat and humidity. We will likely get pronounced cooling in a few years - don't throw away your skis!
The horror to me is that these people, the climate fanatics, either think they are God or are evil. They are so sure that they have the answers. Chesterton's fence is completely and totally ignored. Which tells me everything they do is malicious.
Those who believe they know everything and are right and are *only doing it for your own good* are the most terrifying psychopaths out there...
I just don't understand how they can be so certain. There are so many variables and complications. So yes. they are the most terrifying psychopaths. I go back to Chesterton's fence, which is completely ignored.
+1 Thank you! I LOVE when someone's post makes me look something up. Chesterton's fence = important. And, although you probably remember him, George MacDonald and his works are what we need in these dark days. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, and Lewis Carroll, among others, were ardent fans of MacDonald.
Thank you as well. I didn't know about George MacDonald. Mere Christianity convinced me when I read it years ago .
Thank you. I couldn't remember the name of the underwater volcano when I posted my reply.
Yes, Ken.
THANK YOU for mentioning it! A the time it happened (natural or man made?) I knew that that amount of water vapour in the atmo would be like a hot steamy moist green house... trapping heat... and no one I know would even consider its impact...
One more fact. Hurricanes that follow other hurricanes path weaken as they follow or cross the previous stormтАЩs path. Why, because the previous storm has sucked a bunch of heat out of the oceans making less available for number 2.
making less available for number 2. - JAZ
=========
number 1 is peeing, number 2 is pooping and number 3 is farting.
Ha, good one.
We know the reason why, but it's being suppressed. A couple years ago, an underwater volcano erupted in the South Pacific, instantly vaporizing an incredible amount of seawater and launching it into the atmosphere. This water will remain in the atmosphere for years, helping to increase both temperatures and precipitation. I posted this several months ago on CFN, and I believe you thanked me for sharing the information.
The earth along with all other planets in this solar system has been heating and cooling for hundreds of thousands of years. Science has plenty of clues why, but what passes for science today has been taken over by corporate interests who have already come up with their solution which is usually some version of "cap and trade", which doesn't prevent global warming in the slightest, but makes some people quite wealthy while the rest of the zombie class pays to sequester CO2.
I heard that it will begin to fall off quickly, unless that has changed. I haven't looked at the weathermen today, like Ryan Hall Y'all on YT. Now I will. OK Ryan is still prognosticating Cat 3 for Milton at Tampa. That's bad but not as bad as it is now just passing the Yucatan at Cat 4.
CentCom is in Tampa. Just sayin'...
Whoever is on the HAARP joystick may want to toggle left or right...
Or maybe not, depends on intent I suppose...
the HAARP joystick? I wanna ride that one.
Just so you know, Centcom isnтАЩt тАЬCentral CommandтАЭ itтАЩs Middle East Command тАЬcentтАЭ just refers to Asia. South America Com is in Miami and Europe Com is in Germany.
Yes, CentCom is in Tampa, what's your point, dumbass?
ItтАЩs Central Asia Com. ЁЯШЖ
Call it Comedy Central if it makes you happy. The point is it's in Tampa, but I belabor the point. It's difficult, I know. Try harder.
Friends in Marshall & Swannanoa say different. Watch the radar. The storm formation - with an eye and counterclockwise rotation - stays intact - 500 miles over land. Never seen that before.
Hint: Manmade........
Hint: Juiced up to make more rain and with some Microwave energy burst that's exactly what happens... more energy, longer storm...
NEXRAD
Never seen before, at least in the past 200 years or so.
Exactly.
Counterclockwise? Really?
Think of the uplift from the Appalachians wringing out the declining storm. Asheville was clobbered by rain.
I was only talking about the wind speed. Radar does not equal wind speed. Wind speed is what makes the difference between a tropical storm and a hurricane. However 50 miles west of Ashville, the wind was over 60 mph, which was to be expected on that side of the storm.
Yirgach - the friends I mention above are still encamped up in the mountains, self-sufficient - they'll be fine. They know their terrain and wind speeds. I'll take their word over any hearsay - anything I hear or read.
Ron - Your friends were very fortunate to be camping in high terrain as they missed the major brunt of the storm, like the extreme rain which caused havoc in the valley rivers and towns.
The Ventusky.com weather page has the ability to go back in time for any statistic, like wind, rain, satellite, etc. Very useful for looking at what happened.
Yirgach - not camping, encamped. They're tucked away, off-grid, 60KW solar capacity topped off batteries, with generator backup if needed. Plenty of other necessities. Talked with them the morning after the storm.
They may have been the only ones in Buncombe County, with power and Sat Phones. You see, they've done what most talk about doing. Again, they'll be fine.
Thanks for the site reference, I'll check it out. You know the site data can be manipulated, right? On-the-ground, word of mouth, not so much.
And it was flooding that was the problem. Two things contributed, one the uplift of the mountains causing upslope conditions which wrings out storms and second, the soil in mountains is shallow and only absorbs a small amount of rain before running off. Now multiply that by a jillion streams and rivers. Was there a guy named Noah building a ship around Asheville?
And there had been some serious rain in the days previous.
Uh, going by the last 4 years of unprecedented weather events IтАЩm going to get the stronger roof and generator and have a rain barrelтАжyou can pretend everything is normal. ЁЯШШ
Category is set by the wind speed. The problem with Helene was water content, not measured. It looks like Milton is a wind speed surge storm.