The fact is that with the US's mailing in voting, electronic voting machines, first-past-the-post & winner-take-all voting, and the anachronistic Electoral College with its Superdelegates, there is not even a theoretical chance a Third-Party candidate can be elected POTUS.
The fact is that with the US's mailing in voting, electronic voting machines, first-past-the-post & winner-take-all voting, and the anachronistic Electoral College with its Superdelegates, there is not even a theoretical chance a Third-Party candidate can be elected POTUS.
It's a systemic problem. Proven in 1992 when Ross Perot challenged Bush and Clinton on a populist platform of slashing the budget deficit. He got 19.0% of the vote ~ but didn’t receive a plurality of voters in any state, giving him ZERO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
Until America changes its method of voting in its President, its stuck with its Two-Party duopoly. Voting for a third-Party candidate in the US is the definition of wasting your vote. For the reasons explained in the link above, and clearly illustrated by the Perot example, a third-Party candidate cannot become the POTUS. A third-Party Candidate has never become POTUS in the history of the US.
To change the Method of Voting requires a Constitutional Amendment. And as all Americans know, the Constitution provides that an amendment has to be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States.
Since 1800, over 700 proposals to reform or eliminate the Electoral College system have been introduced in Congress. NONE of these proposals have received the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states required to amend the Constitution. The US is stuck with its two-Party Duopoly. Do I have that right?
Not true. Trump won three elections in a row which reflected the will of the people. The voting systems are completely rigged so you can change all of the rules that you like but if all it would take is the injection of ballots at either multiple sites like we have now or one site if the country went to a Venezulean-style voting system then it will happen without the People fighting back.
People who do not like the electoral college have the gall to second-guess the founding fathers who argued and debated about this for a very long time before settling on the current system. They knew damn well that no system is perfect but the one they chose has far more benefits than the others. Attempts to change it are subversive but, just like convincing people that abortion is healthcare, it isn't hard to con the uneducated and get them to ignore what they can see with their own eyes.
Just look, again, at the power of the electoral college. We are witnessing in real-time America's course correction because of it. Yet here we go with people with tape over their eyes telling us that the only way to "save democracy" is to change it. Good grief.
Sorry,but the electoral college stays. Imagine though, if trump, after all the bullshit he’s dealt with the republicants in both houses, were to start a third party now. Leave the fucking uniparty inthe dust with “ conservative” party? What a concept. Don’t think a third party can win? With this current crop of younguns gunning for progressives and rinos, I’m telling you it would win.
Dennis, I would guess that a combination of small states which are empowered by the Senate and the Electoral College will always shoot down the College. If the USA were to eliminate the College and go totally with the populace vote, three or four states would “own” the federal government. The “little guys” will always use the 3/4 requirement for an amendment to stop their losing power.
As they should. "Smart" people eaten up with Dunning-Krueger never fail to come up with some scheme, some perfect system to prevent people being people. It is laughable in a pathetic sort of way. They can't even see America's course corrections via the EC right in their own face. In only FOUR years we've gone from a takeover of sociopaths and jailing of political opposition, including the opposition's leading candidate, to that person ascending to the Presidency and turning the tables on the enemies of the People.
I'm talking about Jackson, of course, the model for Trump's return.
Good lord, people. I can't think of paying more disrespect to the United States of America than to sit here and crap all over the Founding Fathers' architecture and Her 250 years of being the best attempt at representative Democracy since the early Roman republic. Dunce caps and corner stools all around for some of these people. smh
Ándale, Ruth. People act as if the Founding Fathers were unwise (they didn't even have iPhones!) and keep trying to supplant America v. 1.0 with their own hubris. Sort of how Pfizer thought it could suddenly cure the common cold. We learn nothing and remember nothing.
Yep. Comes from the same place of emotional decision making that enables total manipulation of the public on any issue, any time, anywhere. Complex systems achieve a balance over time and they are often very sensitive to small changes. CO2 is a perfect example. More in equals more plants equals more oxygen equals less CO2 etc, not to mention the effects on heat, rain, snow, insects, fish and so on.
So, the same people who will tell you "climate change is a hoax and we don't need to tamper with CO2" will then tell you they want to eliminate the electoral college as though, poof, problem solved. There are first principles of logic and risk assessment that many people simply do not have and, of course, hubris blocks them obtaining those skills. The potential for making things even worse if they're wrong seems to elude the vast majority of people.
Well said , climate change is real the climate has always & will always be changeing. Humans sometimes do have some effect in smalll areas. Compaired to the actual size of the earth
The vast majority of the planet is unocupied. The best way to believe this is flying an aircraft at lower altitude so that the extent of emptyness can be seen.
Most people can't do this.
Second best is google earth.
Just spending a few hours will show most people how obvious this is.
The fact is that with the US's mailing in voting, electronic voting machines, first-past-the-post & winner-take-all voting, and the anachronistic Electoral College with its Superdelegates, there is not even a theoretical chance a Third-Party candidate can be elected POTUS.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/america-isnt-really-set-up-for-third-party-presidential-bids/
It's a systemic problem. Proven in 1992 when Ross Perot challenged Bush and Clinton on a populist platform of slashing the budget deficit. He got 19.0% of the vote ~ but didn’t receive a plurality of voters in any state, giving him ZERO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
Until America changes its method of voting in its President, its stuck with its Two-Party duopoly. Voting for a third-Party candidate in the US is the definition of wasting your vote. For the reasons explained in the link above, and clearly illustrated by the Perot example, a third-Party candidate cannot become the POTUS. A third-Party Candidate has never become POTUS in the history of the US.
To change the Method of Voting requires a Constitutional Amendment. And as all Americans know, the Constitution provides that an amendment has to be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States.
Since 1800, over 700 proposals to reform or eliminate the Electoral College system have been introduced in Congress. NONE of these proposals have received the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states required to amend the Constitution. The US is stuck with its two-Party Duopoly. Do I have that right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_reform_the_United_States_Electoral_College
Not true. Trump won three elections in a row which reflected the will of the people. The voting systems are completely rigged so you can change all of the rules that you like but if all it would take is the injection of ballots at either multiple sites like we have now or one site if the country went to a Venezulean-style voting system then it will happen without the People fighting back.
People who do not like the electoral college have the gall to second-guess the founding fathers who argued and debated about this for a very long time before settling on the current system. They knew damn well that no system is perfect but the one they chose has far more benefits than the others. Attempts to change it are subversive but, just like convincing people that abortion is healthcare, it isn't hard to con the uneducated and get them to ignore what they can see with their own eyes.
Just look, again, at the power of the electoral college. We are witnessing in real-time America's course correction because of it. Yet here we go with people with tape over their eyes telling us that the only way to "save democracy" is to change it. Good grief.
Sorry,but the electoral college stays. Imagine though, if trump, after all the bullshit he’s dealt with the republicants in both houses, were to start a third party now. Leave the fucking uniparty inthe dust with “ conservative” party? What a concept. Don’t think a third party can win? With this current crop of younguns gunning for progressives and rinos, I’m telling you it would win.
Dennis, I would guess that a combination of small states which are empowered by the Senate and the Electoral College will always shoot down the College. If the USA were to eliminate the College and go totally with the populace vote, three or four states would “own” the federal government. The “little guys” will always use the 3/4 requirement for an amendment to stop their losing power.
As they should. "Smart" people eaten up with Dunning-Krueger never fail to come up with some scheme, some perfect system to prevent people being people. It is laughable in a pathetic sort of way. They can't even see America's course corrections via the EC right in their own face. In only FOUR years we've gone from a takeover of sociopaths and jailing of political opposition, including the opposition's leading candidate, to that person ascending to the Presidency and turning the tables on the enemies of the People.
I'm talking about Jackson, of course, the model for Trump's return.
Good lord, people. I can't think of paying more disrespect to the United States of America than to sit here and crap all over the Founding Fathers' architecture and Her 250 years of being the best attempt at representative Democracy since the early Roman republic. Dunce caps and corner stools all around for some of these people. smh
Ándale, Ruth. People act as if the Founding Fathers were unwise (they didn't even have iPhones!) and keep trying to supplant America v. 1.0 with their own hubris. Sort of how Pfizer thought it could suddenly cure the common cold. We learn nothing and remember nothing.
Yep. Comes from the same place of emotional decision making that enables total manipulation of the public on any issue, any time, anywhere. Complex systems achieve a balance over time and they are often very sensitive to small changes. CO2 is a perfect example. More in equals more plants equals more oxygen equals less CO2 etc, not to mention the effects on heat, rain, snow, insects, fish and so on.
So, the same people who will tell you "climate change is a hoax and we don't need to tamper with CO2" will then tell you they want to eliminate the electoral college as though, poof, problem solved. There are first principles of logic and risk assessment that many people simply do not have and, of course, hubris blocks them obtaining those skills. The potential for making things even worse if they're wrong seems to elude the vast majority of people.
First, do no harm.
Well said , climate change is real the climate has always & will always be changeing. Humans sometimes do have some effect in smalll areas. Compaired to the actual size of the earth
The vast majority of the planet is unocupied. The best way to believe this is flying an aircraft at lower altitude so that the extent of emptyness can be seen.
Most people can't do this.
Second best is google earth.
Just spending a few hours will show most people how obvious this is.
And yet with a wave of the wand Democrats actually changed voting laws all over no Constitutional amendment needed.