Okay, Yes, Trump is the leader that we need today to undo the evil that the Dem Mob has foisted upon us. I want to remind everyone he is one person, now surrounded by a cadre of people to undo the evil. It is up to us, the people to support the needed change and stop the Dem Mob from getting in the way. I point my finger first at the dis…
Okay, Yes, Trump is the leader that we need today to undo the evil that the Dem Mob has foisted upon us. I want to remind everyone he is one person, now surrounded by a cadre of people to undo the evil. It is up to us, the people to support the needed change and stop the Dem Mob from getting in the way. I point my finger first at the disseminator of information, the MSM and social media who WERE responsible for greasing the skids for the Dem Mob. Second is the RINO group, who just cannot get past the fact that Jeb lost in 2016. Their declaration that Trump is an autocrat and that they need to vote for the worst autocratic takeover, the Dem Mob, is ludicrous. Cheney and Kinzinger need to be ostracized for their role in the Pelosi Jan. 6 fiasco. Not put in jail, just ignored.
Speaking of autocracy, does anyone believe that Trump will not have to wield power to rid us of the Dem Mob, actually the Leftist Dem Mob. Remember the adage that says that a group accuses another with the activity that they are actually doing. That has been the modus operandi of the Dems for generations. The Biden Mob was the worst example of do-nothing autocracy in our history.
Sidebar - Right now, it is the job of Congress to get back their power from the executive branch. It needs to be earned. It will not be the Dem Mob that does this but the Right side driving a functioning legislative body again. A country run by an autocrat becomes weak fast, because the head man’s ability is the only resource the government has. Congress is supposed to be the summation of the talents and knowledge of 535 people, all contributing to the progress of the people of the USA. Just looking at the foibles and apparent stupidity of the two party system in Congress should put shivers down our spines and force our need to oust the Good old boy partisan club that Congress has become.
The worst thing you can do to these egomaniacs is to just ignore them, something I wish Fox News would learn. Prison makes them into martyrs for their cause.
The fact is that with the US's mailing in voting, electronic voting machines, first-past-the-post & winner-take-all voting, and the anachronistic Electoral College with its Superdelegates, there is not even a theoretical chance a Third-Party candidate can be elected POTUS.
It's a systemic problem. Proven in 1992 when Ross Perot challenged Bush and Clinton on a populist platform of slashing the budget deficit. He got 19.0% of the vote ~ but didn’t receive a plurality of voters in any state, giving him ZERO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
Until America changes its method of voting in its President, its stuck with its Two-Party duopoly. Voting for a third-Party candidate in the US is the definition of wasting your vote. For the reasons explained in the link above, and clearly illustrated by the Perot example, a third-Party candidate cannot become the POTUS. A third-Party Candidate has never become POTUS in the history of the US.
To change the Method of Voting requires a Constitutional Amendment. And as all Americans know, the Constitution provides that an amendment has to be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States.
Since 1800, over 700 proposals to reform or eliminate the Electoral College system have been introduced in Congress. NONE of these proposals have received the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states required to amend the Constitution. The US is stuck with its two-Party Duopoly. Do I have that right?
Not true. Trump won three elections in a row which reflected the will of the people. The voting systems are completely rigged so you can change all of the rules that you like but if all it would take is the injection of ballots at either multiple sites like we have now or one site if the country went to a Venezulean-style voting system then it will happen without the People fighting back.
People who do not like the electoral college have the gall to second-guess the founding fathers who argued and debated about this for a very long time before settling on the current system. They knew damn well that no system is perfect but the one they chose has far more benefits than the others. Attempts to change it are subversive but, just like convincing people that abortion is healthcare, it isn't hard to con the uneducated and get them to ignore what they can see with their own eyes.
Just look, again, at the power of the electoral college. We are witnessing in real-time America's course correction because of it. Yet here we go with people with tape over their eyes telling us that the only way to "save democracy" is to change it. Good grief.
Sorry,but the electoral college stays. Imagine though, if trump, after all the bullshit he’s dealt with the republicants in both houses, were to start a third party now. Leave the fucking uniparty inthe dust with “ conservative” party? What a concept. Don’t think a third party can win? With this current crop of younguns gunning for progressives and rinos, I’m telling you it would win.
Dennis, I would guess that a combination of small states which are empowered by the Senate and the Electoral College will always shoot down the College. If the USA were to eliminate the College and go totally with the populace vote, three or four states would “own” the federal government. The “little guys” will always use the 3/4 requirement for an amendment to stop their losing power.
As they should. "Smart" people eaten up with Dunning-Krueger never fail to come up with some scheme, some perfect system to prevent people being people. It is laughable in a pathetic sort of way. They can't even see America's course corrections via the EC right in their own face. In only FOUR years we've gone from a takeover of sociopaths and jailing of political opposition, including the opposition's leading candidate, to that person ascending to the Presidency and turning the tables on the enemies of the People.
I'm talking about Jackson, of course, the model for Trump's return.
Good lord, people. I can't think of paying more disrespect to the United States of America than to sit here and crap all over the Founding Fathers' architecture and Her 250 years of being the best attempt at representative Democracy since the early Roman republic. Dunce caps and corner stools all around for some of these people. smh
Ándale, Ruth. People act as if the Founding Fathers were unwise (they didn't even have iPhones!) and keep trying to supplant America v. 1.0 with their own hubris. Sort of how Pfizer thought it could suddenly cure the common cold. We learn nothing and remember nothing.
Yep. Comes from the same place of emotional decision making that enables total manipulation of the public on any issue, any time, anywhere. Complex systems achieve a balance over time and they are often very sensitive to small changes. CO2 is a perfect example. More in equals more plants equals more oxygen equals less CO2 etc, not to mention the effects on heat, rain, snow, insects, fish and so on.
So, the same people who will tell you "climate change is a hoax and we don't need to tamper with CO2" will then tell you they want to eliminate the electoral college as though, poof, problem solved. There are first principles of logic and risk assessment that many people simply do not have and, of course, hubris blocks them obtaining those skills. The potential for making things even worse if they're wrong seems to elude the vast majority of people.
Well said , climate change is real the climate has always & will always be changeing. Humans sometimes do have some effect in smalll areas. Compaired to the actual size of the earth
The vast majority of the planet is unocupied. The best way to believe this is flying an aircraft at lower altitude so that the extent of emptyness can be seen.
Most people can't do this.
Second best is google earth.
Just spending a few hours will show most people how obvious this is.
Ha Ha! That's funny. We are the government. My BIG ASS we are. That's a good one. In an ideal world, yeah, the government works for its people. But in today's world? I pay tens of thousands to the government in taxes every year and what the hell do I get for it? Warm and fuzzies because we are helping that fucking toilet of a Country, Ukraine, fight a war or funding Isreal's war on Gaza? Is that all I get from the government that is supposed to be working for me? Hell, the fuckers can't even keep our border secure or balance a budget because they are dumber than a box of hair. We are the government. Yeah. Sure.
JHK can boot me anytime he wants. I'm just an average putz just looking for some interesting debate. Hell, I had my ass handed to me by P.B. today. Sensitive Monday I guess. Sorry if I offended.
You are right with your cynicism about government. I think my point is that we cannot, no should not, ignored the crappy government we have evolved into. Government is inherently evil as it is powered by power people. If government is allowed to run open loop, of course it becomes corrupt.
BUT, the government is a subset of its population, albeit a corrupted one. We are the government and the government is us, in any nation. The really big problem is what happens when a nation becomes too diverse with little common culture. That is where we are now. Tito formed Yugoslavia out of a widely diverse population. We know how that turned out. The EU is trying to Americanize Europe with all its diverse cultures. Not much success there. The Europeans tried to section up Africa without paying attention to cultural differences, we know how that turned out, same with the Middle East. India split in two.
So, Cankerpuss, if you had Trump’s ear, what would you suggest to offset the diversity situation, what government changes would make it work for everyone?
Where are you idealistic feelgooders coming from today? "we, the citizens are an active part of our government." I'm sorry, P.B., but I just can't believe this statement. Try writing to your "representative" and ask them for a response. Just try it. I wrote my "representative" about the border and I got back a form letter addressing budget matters and funding. Not one mention about the border.
In my state my representatives represent 750,000 people. Do you really think they care about what you or I have to say when we call? Do you really think they READ thousands of emails each day? They have staffers that do that, usually some airhead college kid trying to build a resume to go along with their useless political science degree.
The only place where representative government can truly function is at the local level where your City Council WILL listen to you if you push them hard enough. At the Federal level they don't give a shit because they know all they need is the endorsement of the political party they serve and the masses will vote for the party.
America's political system is a dismal failure. Thomas Jefferson was right when he surmised that America was too big to govern. It is. Too many people. Too many opinions. No consensus. NO POSSIBLE WAY TO REPRESENT ANYTHING.
I applaud your optimism. I really do, even if I do find it naive and mis placed.
She is 100% correct one letter being written is set to the side 10,000 different letters saying the same thing gets attention.
To many Americans have abdicated their responsibility in government to just showing up to vote if they even bother to vote at this point and cutting that tax check every year.
Thanks, PB I have used form letters already created for certain causes one such was the defense of marriage act the other was about the overall cost of Insurance.
Both efforts actually got voted on and passed and then the activist judges came in and nullified them.
"the stench from the bench is making me clench" -Dr. Michael Savage. 11:07 PM · Oct 22, 2024
The bias of the judicial system will remain until enough liberal and RINO judges attrition out and are replaced. The transformation of the USA will take time and lots of it. Until the 48% leftist numbskulls see the light and start voting sensibly, the situation is precarious. The judiciary is intended to be the most steadfast arm of the governance, and as such its duration will be the longest one to change. Patience!
Sidebar - The 2020 election "investigation" was an indication of how one-sided the judiciary had become. Four years of the Biden Mob has only increased the bias, as shown by the initial reaction of the judiciary to the Trump EO revolution.
I will acknowledge your point Ben. You make a good one. The problem with P.B. is she errupted into a cavalcade of insane insults, put downs and rantings rather than explain her position. Your explanation has merit and I appreciate your comment.
Good god, P.B., go take a class and learn how to grow a back bone! I never once resorted to calling you names like "dickhead" nor did I resort to any personal insults or attacks against you. All I did was rebuff your opinion to foment a healthy debate. You are weak and unable to defend your flawed position and as such resort to childish insults to defend your position because it deflects from the discussion at hand. This clearly indicates someone who has no business being on a comment board spouting off their opinions if they can't handle someone who, without insults, disagrees with them.
You're telling me to grow up when you are the one resorting to childish insults? Now that is interesting.
I'm done with you. Go pick some marigolds and have someone pat you on the head and tell you everything will be okay. Seems to be what you are looking for.
Okay, Yes, Trump is the leader that we need today to undo the evil that the Dem Mob has foisted upon us. I want to remind everyone he is one person, now surrounded by a cadre of people to undo the evil. It is up to us, the people to support the needed change and stop the Dem Mob from getting in the way. I point my finger first at the disseminator of information, the MSM and social media who WERE responsible for greasing the skids for the Dem Mob. Second is the RINO group, who just cannot get past the fact that Jeb lost in 2016. Their declaration that Trump is an autocrat and that they need to vote for the worst autocratic takeover, the Dem Mob, is ludicrous. Cheney and Kinzinger need to be ostracized for their role in the Pelosi Jan. 6 fiasco. Not put in jail, just ignored.
Speaking of autocracy, does anyone believe that Trump will not have to wield power to rid us of the Dem Mob, actually the Leftist Dem Mob. Remember the adage that says that a group accuses another with the activity that they are actually doing. That has been the modus operandi of the Dems for generations. The Biden Mob was the worst example of do-nothing autocracy in our history.
Sidebar - Right now, it is the job of Congress to get back their power from the executive branch. It needs to be earned. It will not be the Dem Mob that does this but the Right side driving a functioning legislative body again. A country run by an autocrat becomes weak fast, because the head man’s ability is the only resource the government has. Congress is supposed to be the summation of the talents and knowledge of 535 people, all contributing to the progress of the people of the USA. Just looking at the foibles and apparent stupidity of the two party system in Congress should put shivers down our spines and force our need to oust the Good old boy partisan club that Congress has become.
We are the key.
Nothing short of DETERRENCE aka prison or worse for traitors such as Cheney and Kinsinger ad infinitum. Lessons must be learned. Sanity must prevail.
The worst thing you can do to these egomaniacs is to just ignore them, something I wish Fox News would learn. Prison makes them into martyrs for their cause.
The fact is that with the US's mailing in voting, electronic voting machines, first-past-the-post & winner-take-all voting, and the anachronistic Electoral College with its Superdelegates, there is not even a theoretical chance a Third-Party candidate can be elected POTUS.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/america-isnt-really-set-up-for-third-party-presidential-bids/
It's a systemic problem. Proven in 1992 when Ross Perot challenged Bush and Clinton on a populist platform of slashing the budget deficit. He got 19.0% of the vote ~ but didn’t receive a plurality of voters in any state, giving him ZERO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
Until America changes its method of voting in its President, its stuck with its Two-Party duopoly. Voting for a third-Party candidate in the US is the definition of wasting your vote. For the reasons explained in the link above, and clearly illustrated by the Perot example, a third-Party candidate cannot become the POTUS. A third-Party Candidate has never become POTUS in the history of the US.
To change the Method of Voting requires a Constitutional Amendment. And as all Americans know, the Constitution provides that an amendment has to be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States.
Since 1800, over 700 proposals to reform or eliminate the Electoral College system have been introduced in Congress. NONE of these proposals have received the approval of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states required to amend the Constitution. The US is stuck with its two-Party Duopoly. Do I have that right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_reform_the_United_States_Electoral_College
Not true. Trump won three elections in a row which reflected the will of the people. The voting systems are completely rigged so you can change all of the rules that you like but if all it would take is the injection of ballots at either multiple sites like we have now or one site if the country went to a Venezulean-style voting system then it will happen without the People fighting back.
People who do not like the electoral college have the gall to second-guess the founding fathers who argued and debated about this for a very long time before settling on the current system. They knew damn well that no system is perfect but the one they chose has far more benefits than the others. Attempts to change it are subversive but, just like convincing people that abortion is healthcare, it isn't hard to con the uneducated and get them to ignore what they can see with their own eyes.
Just look, again, at the power of the electoral college. We are witnessing in real-time America's course correction because of it. Yet here we go with people with tape over their eyes telling us that the only way to "save democracy" is to change it. Good grief.
Sorry,but the electoral college stays. Imagine though, if trump, after all the bullshit he’s dealt with the republicants in both houses, were to start a third party now. Leave the fucking uniparty inthe dust with “ conservative” party? What a concept. Don’t think a third party can win? With this current crop of younguns gunning for progressives and rinos, I’m telling you it would win.
Dennis, I would guess that a combination of small states which are empowered by the Senate and the Electoral College will always shoot down the College. If the USA were to eliminate the College and go totally with the populace vote, three or four states would “own” the federal government. The “little guys” will always use the 3/4 requirement for an amendment to stop their losing power.
As they should. "Smart" people eaten up with Dunning-Krueger never fail to come up with some scheme, some perfect system to prevent people being people. It is laughable in a pathetic sort of way. They can't even see America's course corrections via the EC right in their own face. In only FOUR years we've gone from a takeover of sociopaths and jailing of political opposition, including the opposition's leading candidate, to that person ascending to the Presidency and turning the tables on the enemies of the People.
I'm talking about Jackson, of course, the model for Trump's return.
Good lord, people. I can't think of paying more disrespect to the United States of America than to sit here and crap all over the Founding Fathers' architecture and Her 250 years of being the best attempt at representative Democracy since the early Roman republic. Dunce caps and corner stools all around for some of these people. smh
Ándale, Ruth. People act as if the Founding Fathers were unwise (they didn't even have iPhones!) and keep trying to supplant America v. 1.0 with their own hubris. Sort of how Pfizer thought it could suddenly cure the common cold. We learn nothing and remember nothing.
Yep. Comes from the same place of emotional decision making that enables total manipulation of the public on any issue, any time, anywhere. Complex systems achieve a balance over time and they are often very sensitive to small changes. CO2 is a perfect example. More in equals more plants equals more oxygen equals less CO2 etc, not to mention the effects on heat, rain, snow, insects, fish and so on.
So, the same people who will tell you "climate change is a hoax and we don't need to tamper with CO2" will then tell you they want to eliminate the electoral college as though, poof, problem solved. There are first principles of logic and risk assessment that many people simply do not have and, of course, hubris blocks them obtaining those skills. The potential for making things even worse if they're wrong seems to elude the vast majority of people.
First, do no harm.
Well said , climate change is real the climate has always & will always be changeing. Humans sometimes do have some effect in smalll areas. Compaired to the actual size of the earth
The vast majority of the planet is unocupied. The best way to believe this is flying an aircraft at lower altitude so that the extent of emptyness can be seen.
Most people can't do this.
Second best is google earth.
Just spending a few hours will show most people how obvious this is.
And yet with a wave of the wand Democrats actually changed voting laws all over no Constitutional amendment needed.
Yes, JAZ, we are the gubmint, you and I. Couldn't have said it better.
Ha Ha! That's funny. We are the government. My BIG ASS we are. That's a good one. In an ideal world, yeah, the government works for its people. But in today's world? I pay tens of thousands to the government in taxes every year and what the hell do I get for it? Warm and fuzzies because we are helping that fucking toilet of a Country, Ukraine, fight a war or funding Isreal's war on Gaza? Is that all I get from the government that is supposed to be working for me? Hell, the fuckers can't even keep our border secure or balance a budget because they are dumber than a box of hair. We are the government. Yeah. Sure.
Enjoy the day, Cank. CFN loves ya.
JHK can boot me anytime he wants. I'm just an average putz just looking for some interesting debate. Hell, I had my ass handed to me by P.B. today. Sensitive Monday I guess. Sorry if I offended.
I think you got the best of Paul Brunton.
Handed you your ass?
Hardly spirited discussion is good as long as some form of growth occurs.
You are right with your cynicism about government. I think my point is that we cannot, no should not, ignored the crappy government we have evolved into. Government is inherently evil as it is powered by power people. If government is allowed to run open loop, of course it becomes corrupt.
BUT, the government is a subset of its population, albeit a corrupted one. We are the government and the government is us, in any nation. The really big problem is what happens when a nation becomes too diverse with little common culture. That is where we are now. Tito formed Yugoslavia out of a widely diverse population. We know how that turned out. The EU is trying to Americanize Europe with all its diverse cultures. Not much success there. The Europeans tried to section up Africa without paying attention to cultural differences, we know how that turned out, same with the Middle East. India split in two.
So, Cankerpuss, if you had Trump’s ear, what would you suggest to offset the diversity situation, what government changes would make it work for everyone?
Where are you idealistic feelgooders coming from today? "we, the citizens are an active part of our government." I'm sorry, P.B., but I just can't believe this statement. Try writing to your "representative" and ask them for a response. Just try it. I wrote my "representative" about the border and I got back a form letter addressing budget matters and funding. Not one mention about the border.
If they are bonded and they do harm, the can be financially punished. www.bondsforthewin.com
In my state my representatives represent 750,000 people. Do you really think they care about what you or I have to say when we call? Do you really think they READ thousands of emails each day? They have staffers that do that, usually some airhead college kid trying to build a resume to go along with their useless political science degree.
The only place where representative government can truly function is at the local level where your City Council WILL listen to you if you push them hard enough. At the Federal level they don't give a shit because they know all they need is the endorsement of the political party they serve and the masses will vote for the party.
America's political system is a dismal failure. Thomas Jefferson was right when he surmised that America was too big to govern. It is. Too many people. Too many opinions. No consensus. NO POSSIBLE WAY TO REPRESENT ANYTHING.
I applaud your optimism. I really do, even if I do find it naive and mis placed.
@cankerpuss
She is 100% correct one letter being written is set to the side 10,000 different letters saying the same thing gets attention.
To many Americans have abdicated their responsibility in government to just showing up to vote if they even bother to vote at this point and cutting that tax check every year.
Thanks, PB I have used form letters already created for certain causes one such was the defense of marriage act the other was about the overall cost of Insurance.
Both efforts actually got voted on and passed and then the activist judges came in and nullified them.
"the stench from the bench is making me clench" -Dr. Michael Savage. 11:07 PM · Oct 22, 2024
The bias of the judicial system will remain until enough liberal and RINO judges attrition out and are replaced. The transformation of the USA will take time and lots of it. Until the 48% leftist numbskulls see the light and start voting sensibly, the situation is precarious. The judiciary is intended to be the most steadfast arm of the governance, and as such its duration will be the longest one to change. Patience!
Sidebar - The 2020 election "investigation" was an indication of how one-sided the judiciary had become. Four years of the Biden Mob has only increased the bias, as shown by the initial reaction of the judiciary to the Trump EO revolution.
I will acknowledge your point Ben. You make a good one. The problem with P.B. is she errupted into a cavalcade of insane insults, put downs and rantings rather than explain her position. Your explanation has merit and I appreciate your comment.
Your humble servant.
I believe you are a good and rational man.
Good god, P.B., go take a class and learn how to grow a back bone! I never once resorted to calling you names like "dickhead" nor did I resort to any personal insults or attacks against you. All I did was rebuff your opinion to foment a healthy debate. You are weak and unable to defend your flawed position and as such resort to childish insults to defend your position because it deflects from the discussion at hand. This clearly indicates someone who has no business being on a comment board spouting off their opinions if they can't handle someone who, without insults, disagrees with them.
You're telling me to grow up when you are the one resorting to childish insults? Now that is interesting.
I'm done with you. Go pick some marigolds and have someone pat you on the head and tell you everything will be okay. Seems to be what you are looking for.
You are certainly more than welcome. Good luck picking marigolds.