I really like your point about needing a strong opposition because power corrupts. Right now the Republicans have staked out the moderate stance on every issue because the Democrats have let them, but the pendulum WILL swing the other way, the Rs have their own issues that will be taken to an extreme if given the chance. Two sane parties…
I really like your point about needing a strong opposition because power corrupts. Right now the Republicans have staked out the moderate stance on every issue because the Democrats have let them, but the pendulum WILL swing the other way, the Rs have their own issues that will be taken to an extreme if given the chance. Two sane parties was actually a pretty genius convention, it (normally) keeps the pendulum from swinging too far from the center line.
The reason two (sane) parties representing Right and Left, exist and should exist in perpetuity, is they represent two poles of societal necessities: Support for the healthy individual (freedom), and support for a healthy society (fairness). However, the Democrats in toto, and a good chunk of the Republicans, had over the last few decades been hijacked by the enemy of both, the totalitarian concentrators of power.
Don't forget "concentrators of cash". Can you imagine what it would look like if you could see every single hidden offshore account balance, know where the money originated and its full ownership? That would make some interesting reading.
In a country of 335 million people there are many more views than left or right, especially when a majority of the country consider themselves to be centrists. The two party system is a dismal failure. Look at the mess the country is in right now. That is because of the political party system. Party first, Country last. Just as George Washington tried to warn us about in his farewell address.
"In a country of 335 million people there are many more views than left or right"
Of course. There is an infinity of policy formulas for collecting people together, and for evolving those collections. But in recent (9?) decades, at least, in the US system they seem to gravitating around the two apparently natural and complementary poles I identified.
I see where you are going with your comment but I can't dismiss the evidence that is before us to day. $36 trillion in debt. No way to pay it back. Money printing to fund the interest on the debt. Inflation. No balanced budget. Debt ceilings always increased and useless. The evidence screams at us. The two party system is a dismal failure. Period. It should be thrown in the trash the same disgust and revulsion that one would have when throwing an exploded poopy diaper in the garbage. It is a disgusting creation that has failed every man, woman and child of this nation who is not of the political class. We should be ashamed of its creation and its existence and should do all within our power to eschew it, purge it from society and teach our children and grand children to avoid it at all costs.
I think our inability as yet to recognize, never mind control, psycho/sociopaths in our cultures (all of them) is our biggest political problem, more than the structure of our political systems. This failure has resulted, for example, in the iron law of oligarchy, which infects everything from capitalism to communism. It's why totalitarians rose to the top, everywhere, in the supposedly democratic West.
As I espouse regularly, government is a focus of power people, who are by nature, evil. Power people do not give a damn about people and their needs. Government, by its nature, works against its people and for its preservation.
Its the 'Temple' money magicks. You know them as the Federal Reserve. The money is borrowed into existence, only the principle is printed, never the interest. It's FRAUD from the getgo, and therefore null and void ab initio, nunc pro tunc.
For the $36 trillion to cause any form of bankruptcy, the creditors must demand their money.
Who are the creditors? What will force them to get their money? What would happen if the government just said, “You have 30 days to lay claim to all your treasuries. After that we are just going to cancel them.” We might all be surprised by what happens.
Stock market would hit 100000? Foreign investment up-up-up?
Greek clarity here. Thank you. ALL and I repeat, ALL, societies must have these two elements to be viable. Some have more of one and less of another. Some balances aren't very good, just as ours isn't very good.
When the pendulum is submerged in the government swamp of bureaucratic nepotism and intransigence it is no longer swinging. Trumps demolition team is attempting to drain that swamp. It's inhabitants will not go quietly while their home is being destroyed. They truly are the entrenched enemies of Democracy. Impervious to elections and elected POTUS... at least until now
There should not be a pendulum. Government is inherently evil because it seeks to force its people to be one way or another. Government should be a creation OF THE PEOPLE and not rule over them.
Too many people worship the Government. It is America's new god.
Government is a total scam. They have the people under a spell and therefore in a trance, using advanced technology to mind-control the population. The television is one of their primary tools to hypnotize and brainwash the masses.
The sole purpose of the television is to 'fix you gaze' at which point signal entrainment implants messages into the subconscious mind. Turn off the boob tube but beware, they also use silent sound technology over the radio and in music.
I liked the point about needing a strong opposition. There IS something a bit scary about unbridled Trumpian grandiosity running rampant through the land. So far it’s been awesome! But stuff like project Stargate make me nervy
It’s supposed to work that when one party starts getting out over there skis, people in the middle will move the other way and slowly shift the pendulum the other way. I really think this this full rejection of the Democrat worldview of unlimited immigration, trans rights over women’s rights, etc , will allow that party to kick out the activist wing that’s gotten them to the place they are so the moderates can run the party again. It’s the same thing that the Republicans did to the neocons in our party over the last few years, thanks to Trump seeing the populist movement and being willing and strong enough to take the lead.
The real problem today is that the "opposition" party wants to destroy America, not "reform" it. Enough people caught on to this to clobber them in the last election. It is going to be a tough road back for the Dems as their policies are against basic American beliefs and morality.
I remember the biggest problem with the Vaxx was it was a brand new technology with many unknowns and a history of problems. It was then, and now, never really tested for long term effects. The amount of investigation of both the Vaxx and the Covid virus itself was abysmal. Why do we even have an NIH and CDC if this is the kind of work they do?
IMHO, the leaked virus and its Vaxx component were developed at the same time, as the S protein sequence was the same. The biological weapon needed an antidote to prevent self-infection. Both the virus and its vaxx were failures as biological agents. The panic the virus release caused gave the Fauci crowd, (Trump included) an excuse to "try out " the mRNA technology of viral introduction into cells, a basic need for a cancer cure. The real shame and what I hope RFK deals with is the continuation of mRNA development. Some things mankind should not be messing with and DNA is on that list.
I also believe that a very stupid medical community, facing Covid, killed loads of people with medical malpractice, AKA intubation. They killed many people putting them on vents.
"Two sane parties was actually a pretty genius convention"
No it wasn't. Good god, Valerie. The two party political system is what has left us $36 trillion dollars in debt with no way to pay it back. We as a country are broke! Busted! Bankrupt!
The money is gone. Poof! Vanished! How, after all this, can you sit there and say that the two party system been a genius convention?
Go read George Washington's farewell address. He has some pretty stiff teachings against the political party system.
No reason to be a jerk. I personally think it was genius, I certainly don’t see countries with a multi-party system being in much better shape. We are allowed to have our own opinions on these things without attacking others.
He’s not being a jerk, he’s just being a cankerpuss 😬. But I don’t go with blackpilled opinions either. You can say things are bad but who knows how much worse it might have been without the political structures that got us here.
Or how much better if our forefathers had avoided political tribalism and focused on the Country first.
Yes, I am black pilled because I am realist. I see things as they are, not as I am told to see them. $36 trillion, my friend. That's all anyone needs to know. $36 trillion. That is going to bury us, our children, our grand children and our great great grand children. I'm pissed. I'm livid. And why $36 trillion? Because 535 assholes in DC can't get their shit together and stop spending money that we don't have and these 535 people are Republicans and Democrats with 2 or 3 useless "independents" in there.
All of this was brought upon us by 535 individuals. 535 individuals have done this. These people are charged with the public treasury and they have failed. These people are charged with administering the will of the people they represent. The result? High taxes. Endless wars. Inflation. Devaluing of the US dollar. Housing we cannot afford. The political parties have done this.
I don't print money. I don't raise taxes. I don't spend tax dollars. Do you? Nope. Neither does Valerie. Who does? Congress. CONGRESS does. All our problems are because of Congress.
I cannot understand why we as a people continue to turn to a political system that has done NOTHING but destroy our money, put us into debt, wage endless wars and praise it? We are like a dog turning to its vomit.
535 individuals have pillaged the treasury, indebted us forever, spent our strength and means in foreign nations that pose no threat to us, permitted the invasion of our nation by millions of unidentified mutts and we still, still, STILL think the political system that CREATED THIS MESS will fix this mess for us?
This is why I get so frustrated when I read comments like Valerie's. She's got a good heart, most likely a kind person.
But Americans need to pull their heads out of their asses. Everything. EVERYTHING that is ailing our nation right now is because of 535 politicians who put political party before America. I'm sick of this bullshit and I won't play the game anymore.
That’s the thing mate! You can drop out of their game, pretty much. Lots of people do, every day. But giving up sorta concedes the battle to the enemy. I like the fight in Trump’s eye and choose to hope he will bring in radically needed changes.
He may fail. Then I’ll hope on whoever comes next or ultimately, the Lord. But hope is important and I will persist ✌🏼
You have described one aspect of the Deep State, the croup that puts their own re-elections in front of the people. It is much deeper than 535 folks, it has infected all parts of the federal, state and local governments including the judiciary and law enforcement agencies.
Trump has his work cut out for him trying to undo the damage. What to do? The Deep State has been successful in disarming most ways of promoting change, especially through the media. One thing though, concentrate on voting against the status quo in the off-year election in 2026 and voted anti-Deep State. In most places, vote against the incumbent RINOs and Dems. If we could get 61 conservatives in the Senate and a ten plus majority in the House, much of the progressive Left could be destroyed by 2028.
IMHO, elections are the only thing left that can offset the Deep State.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
Political parties, regardless of the number of them always lead to tribalism. Party first, nation last. That's what happens, regardless of there being 2 or 20 of them. Gorgeous George warned us and boy was he spot on in his warnings. People today don't give a damn about America. But don't you dare criticize their precious party or their party's candidate.
I'm not being a jerk and I didn't attack you. I rebuffed your opinion. I re-read my post and I don't see anywhere where I insulted or attacked you. You need to grow a thicker skin.
I really like your point about needing a strong opposition because power corrupts. Right now the Republicans have staked out the moderate stance on every issue because the Democrats have let them, but the pendulum WILL swing the other way, the Rs have their own issues that will be taken to an extreme if given the chance. Two sane parties was actually a pretty genius convention, it (normally) keeps the pendulum from swinging too far from the center line.
The reason two (sane) parties representing Right and Left, exist and should exist in perpetuity, is they represent two poles of societal necessities: Support for the healthy individual (freedom), and support for a healthy society (fairness). However, the Democrats in toto, and a good chunk of the Republicans, had over the last few decades been hijacked by the enemy of both, the totalitarian concentrators of power.
Don't forget "concentrators of cash". Can you imagine what it would look like if you could see every single hidden offshore account balance, know where the money originated and its full ownership? That would make some interesting reading.
That’s coming.
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. Walter Burien.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVDDW9c7VRw
Exactly. Excellent way of putting it.
In a country of 335 million people there are many more views than left or right, especially when a majority of the country consider themselves to be centrists. The two party system is a dismal failure. Look at the mess the country is in right now. That is because of the political party system. Party first, Country last. Just as George Washington tried to warn us about in his farewell address.
Agreed! BUT, look at the mess that always exists in multi-party countries in Europe. Which is worse?
"In a country of 335 million people there are many more views than left or right"
Of course. There is an infinity of policy formulas for collecting people together, and for evolving those collections. But in recent (9?) decades, at least, in the US system they seem to gravitating around the two apparently natural and complementary poles I identified.
I see where you are going with your comment but I can't dismiss the evidence that is before us to day. $36 trillion in debt. No way to pay it back. Money printing to fund the interest on the debt. Inflation. No balanced budget. Debt ceilings always increased and useless. The evidence screams at us. The two party system is a dismal failure. Period. It should be thrown in the trash the same disgust and revulsion that one would have when throwing an exploded poopy diaper in the garbage. It is a disgusting creation that has failed every man, woman and child of this nation who is not of the political class. We should be ashamed of its creation and its existence and should do all within our power to eschew it, purge it from society and teach our children and grand children to avoid it at all costs.
"The two party system is a dismal failure."
I think our inability as yet to recognize, never mind control, psycho/sociopaths in our cultures (all of them) is our biggest political problem, more than the structure of our political systems. This failure has resulted, for example, in the iron law of oligarchy, which infects everything from capitalism to communism. It's why totalitarians rose to the top, everywhere, in the supposedly democratic West.
"I think our inability as yet to recognize, never mind control, psycho/sociopaths"
Excellent point! It's these kind of people who always end up in government. This is why I love reading the commentariat here at Kunstler.
As I espouse regularly, government is a focus of power people, who are by nature, evil. Power people do not give a damn about people and their needs. Government, by its nature, works against its people and for its preservation.
AKA, the Deep State.
Thanks
Its the 'Temple' money magicks. You know them as the Federal Reserve. The money is borrowed into existence, only the principle is printed, never the interest. It's FRAUD from the getgo, and therefore null and void ab initio, nunc pro tunc.
For the $36 trillion to cause any form of bankruptcy, the creditors must demand their money.
Who are the creditors? What will force them to get their money? What would happen if the government just said, “You have 30 days to lay claim to all your treasuries. After that we are just going to cancel them.” We might all be surprised by what happens.
Stock market would hit 100000? Foreign investment up-up-up?
I like it JohnAZ. That's stackworthy material.
Greek clarity here. Thank you. ALL and I repeat, ALL, societies must have these two elements to be viable. Some have more of one and less of another. Some balances aren't very good, just as ours isn't very good.
When the pendulum is submerged in the government swamp of bureaucratic nepotism and intransigence it is no longer swinging. Trumps demolition team is attempting to drain that swamp. It's inhabitants will not go quietly while their home is being destroyed. They truly are the entrenched enemies of Democracy. Impervious to elections and elected POTUS... at least until now
There should not be a pendulum. Government is inherently evil because it seeks to force its people to be one way or another. Government should be a creation OF THE PEOPLE and not rule over them.
Too many people worship the Government. It is America's new god.
Government is a total scam. They have the people under a spell and therefore in a trance, using advanced technology to mind-control the population. The television is one of their primary tools to hypnotize and brainwash the masses.
The sole purpose of the television is to 'fix you gaze' at which point signal entrainment implants messages into the subconscious mind. Turn off the boob tube but beware, they also use silent sound technology over the radio and in music.
The pendulum swings as a result of the people reacting to bad policy over and over.
The first noticed it was Jimmy Carter (good man horrible President) losing to Ronald Wilson Reagan and that swing has existed ever since.
What do we as a country do when the candidates are both repulsive?
There are other parties in the mix but they get zero press for the most part.
1980 Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan† J
1984 Walter Mondale vs Ronald Reagan†
1988 Michael Dukakis vs George H. W. Bush† Ron Paul (Libertarian)
Lenora Fulani (New Alliance)
I did vote for Ron Paul
1992 Bill Clinton† George H. W. Bush Ross Perot (Independent)
Andre Marrou (Libertarian)
I voted for Ross Perot here and it was the last time I voted for a third party candidate.
Bo Gritz (Populist)
1996 Bill Clinton† vs Bob Dole Ross Perot (Reform)
Ralph Nader (Green)
Held my nose and voted for Dole even though I thought he was weird.
Harry Browne (Libertarian)
Howard Phillips (Taxpayers)
John Hagelin (Natural Law)
2000 Al Gore‡ vs George W. Bush† Ralph Nader (Green)
Pat Buchanan (Reform)
Harry Browne (Libertarian)
The next three election cycles were awful choices!
2004 John Kerry vs George W. Bush† Ralph Nader (Independent/Reform)
Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)
Michael Peroutka (Constitution)
David Cobb (Green)
2008 Barack Obama† John McCain Ralph Nader (Independent)
Bob Barr (Libertarian)
Chuck Baldwin (Constitution)
Cynthia McKinney (Green)
Looking back I should have voted for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin I hated pulling the tab for Bomb bomb bomb Iran McCain.
2012 Barack Obama† Mitt Romney Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
Jill Stein (Green)
Mitt Romney what a terrible candidate and Obama was even worse!
2016 Hillary Clinton‡ Donald Trump† Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
Jill Stein (Green)
Evan McMullin (Independent)
Darrell Castle (Constitution)
2020 Joe Biden† Donald Trump Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2024 Kamala Harris Donald Trump†
I liked the point about needing a strong opposition. There IS something a bit scary about unbridled Trumpian grandiosity running rampant through the land. So far it’s been awesome! But stuff like project Stargate make me nervy
It’s supposed to work that when one party starts getting out over there skis, people in the middle will move the other way and slowly shift the pendulum the other way. I really think this this full rejection of the Democrat worldview of unlimited immigration, trans rights over women’s rights, etc , will allow that party to kick out the activist wing that’s gotten them to the place they are so the moderates can run the party again. It’s the same thing that the Republicans did to the neocons in our party over the last few years, thanks to Trump seeing the populist movement and being willing and strong enough to take the lead.
The real problem today is that the "opposition" party wants to destroy America, not "reform" it. Enough people caught on to this to clobber them in the last election. It is going to be a tough road back for the Dems as their policies are against basic American beliefs and morality.
He will serve this initiative as he served the Vax. This one in fact, combines both. Kennedy is fake opp and is on board.
I remember the biggest problem with the Vaxx was it was a brand new technology with many unknowns and a history of problems. It was then, and now, never really tested for long term effects. The amount of investigation of both the Vaxx and the Covid virus itself was abysmal. Why do we even have an NIH and CDC if this is the kind of work they do?
IMHO, the leaked virus and its Vaxx component were developed at the same time, as the S protein sequence was the same. The biological weapon needed an antidote to prevent self-infection. Both the virus and its vaxx were failures as biological agents. The panic the virus release caused gave the Fauci crowd, (Trump included) an excuse to "try out " the mRNA technology of viral introduction into cells, a basic need for a cancer cure. The real shame and what I hope RFK deals with is the continuation of mRNA development. Some things mankind should not be messing with and DNA is on that list.
I also believe that a very stupid medical community, facing Covid, killed loads of people with medical malpractice, AKA intubation. They killed many people putting them on vents.
"Two sane parties was actually a pretty genius convention"
No it wasn't. Good god, Valerie. The two party political system is what has left us $36 trillion dollars in debt with no way to pay it back. We as a country are broke! Busted! Bankrupt!
The money is gone. Poof! Vanished! How, after all this, can you sit there and say that the two party system been a genius convention?
Go read George Washington's farewell address. He has some pretty stiff teachings against the political party system.
No reason to be a jerk. I personally think it was genius, I certainly don’t see countries with a multi-party system being in much better shape. We are allowed to have our own opinions on these things without attacking others.
He’s not being a jerk, he’s just being a cankerpuss 😬. But I don’t go with blackpilled opinions either. You can say things are bad but who knows how much worse it might have been without the political structures that got us here.
Or how much better if our forefathers had avoided political tribalism and focused on the Country first.
Yes, I am black pilled because I am realist. I see things as they are, not as I am told to see them. $36 trillion, my friend. That's all anyone needs to know. $36 trillion. That is going to bury us, our children, our grand children and our great great grand children. I'm pissed. I'm livid. And why $36 trillion? Because 535 assholes in DC can't get their shit together and stop spending money that we don't have and these 535 people are Republicans and Democrats with 2 or 3 useless "independents" in there.
All of this was brought upon us by 535 individuals. 535 individuals have done this. These people are charged with the public treasury and they have failed. These people are charged with administering the will of the people they represent. The result? High taxes. Endless wars. Inflation. Devaluing of the US dollar. Housing we cannot afford. The political parties have done this.
I don't print money. I don't raise taxes. I don't spend tax dollars. Do you? Nope. Neither does Valerie. Who does? Congress. CONGRESS does. All our problems are because of Congress.
I cannot understand why we as a people continue to turn to a political system that has done NOTHING but destroy our money, put us into debt, wage endless wars and praise it? We are like a dog turning to its vomit.
535 individuals have pillaged the treasury, indebted us forever, spent our strength and means in foreign nations that pose no threat to us, permitted the invasion of our nation by millions of unidentified mutts and we still, still, STILL think the political system that CREATED THIS MESS will fix this mess for us?
This is why I get so frustrated when I read comments like Valerie's. She's got a good heart, most likely a kind person.
But Americans need to pull their heads out of their asses. Everything. EVERYTHING that is ailing our nation right now is because of 535 politicians who put political party before America. I'm sick of this bullshit and I won't play the game anymore.
That’s the thing mate! You can drop out of their game, pretty much. Lots of people do, every day. But giving up sorta concedes the battle to the enemy. I like the fight in Trump’s eye and choose to hope he will bring in radically needed changes.
He may fail. Then I’ll hope on whoever comes next or ultimately, the Lord. But hope is important and I will persist ✌🏼
You have described one aspect of the Deep State, the croup that puts their own re-elections in front of the people. It is much deeper than 535 folks, it has infected all parts of the federal, state and local governments including the judiciary and law enforcement agencies.
Trump has his work cut out for him trying to undo the damage. What to do? The Deep State has been successful in disarming most ways of promoting change, especially through the media. One thing though, concentrate on voting against the status quo in the off-year election in 2026 and voted anti-Deep State. In most places, vote against the incumbent RINOs and Dems. If we could get 61 conservatives in the Senate and a ten plus majority in the House, much of the progressive Left could be destroyed by 2028.
IMHO, elections are the only thing left that can offset the Deep State.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
Or, alternatively, create a movement within an existing political party, and take out the bad apples. Kind of like what MAGA is doing inside the GOP.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
I can see the value of a third party, like Kennedy’s when he declared Independent. This Third Party would be the pivot between the extremes, siding with one or the other where needed. Like for instance when the Democrats went so extreme that the third party aligned with Trump.
Think of it as a modulating mechanism that keeps the pendulum swing in bounds.
Political parties, regardless of the number of them always lead to tribalism. Party first, nation last. That's what happens, regardless of there being 2 or 20 of them. Gorgeous George warned us and boy was he spot on in his warnings. People today don't give a damn about America. But don't you dare criticize their precious party or their party's candidate.
I'm not being a jerk and I didn't attack you. I rebuffed your opinion. I re-read my post and I don't see anywhere where I insulted or attacked you. You need to grow a thicker skin.