Sigh, if its any consolation you are certainly not alone in this category-my older son and I watched "Am I a Racist" last week-he's not Woke-but he hides it.
But when we went back to his place after the movie when he parked the car, he looked me in the eyes so solemnly I thought he was going to tell me he has 'cancer' but he demanded, that I tell Liz , his wife-high school teacher'- we saw 'Saturday Night" -as she is very, very Woke.
My young son, he's not Woke at all , but he is a laze about still at home at 27 drinking beer, smoking weed and eating on Dad and Mom's tab-I don't know what is worse...
Sounds like my nephew. "His dad ruined him" my sister says. So at 30, he's allowed to sponge off them both, not have a job, etc. Sure. How was he "ruined"? Well, his dad was emotionally unavailable. The horror! Yet, millions like him are able to work and run their own lives. He's even blessed with a high IQ. The problem there is that my sister is a toxic codependent who thinks that her family would die on the spot if she's not there catering to them. Something is very wrong in our society. She's not an outlier, IOW, she is typical.
You both have described the Nanny State that the government is trying to create, both kids finding easy touch parentage afraid to tell them тАЬNoтАЭ. The entire country is being threatened by 50% of folks being exactly the same as these two, and a Deep State kow-towing to them to get votes, unwilling to say тАЬNoтАЭ.
My most sincere condolences on the state of family affairs outlined above. Not to brag, but I have two very unwoke daughters-one married a LEO and the other is divorced but happily so. They had three sons between them, one of whom is making bank as an RN and the other doing likewise financially handling automated production at a large local food processing facility. The other one, well, he's not living at home, nor is he "woke," but he has "issues" involving drugs and the usual assortment of problems which accompany that. But hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, like Meat Loaf told us. Somehow I have to think our strict Christian upbringing had something to do with it. YMMV.
Yes: I wonder. Because my sister and I were raised Catholic (along with a slew of other siblings - because - we were Catholic) and her kids were not raised with any religion whatsoever. The daughter is doing well, though. The son, not so much. Maybe he could have used the morality and spiritual toughness needed in life so he wouldn't be so paralyzed.
Most people are aware that something has happened to the young males in our society. It has been bantered about for many years now.
I raised three daughters and two stepchildren. When they turned 16, they had to get a job. It was mandatory. I explained that they had to learn discipline, to be on time, to deal with bosses and coworkers. Two worked at a grocery store, the others restaurants or as beach attendants. They all loved their jobs, made many friends and had positive experiences. To this day, all have an incredible work ethic.
We helped with college, but they had to earn their own spending money for the year because with five kids in school, they needed to help and take some responsibility for their education. Four out of five graduated and the one who didnтАЩt is doing well in techтАФself-taught.
They all played sportsтАФwhere they learned self-discipline, teamwork, etc. They sailed, played soccer, golfed, played tennis. We are not wealthy, but we prioritized and made mandatory different disciplines and experiences.
We are really proud of all of themтАФthey are out in the world as a teacher, an event planner for a major sports network, a nurse, and two in tech. My POINT here is not to pat myself on the back but to show you THIS ALL STARTS AT HOME.
Well done! You should pat yourself on the back. This is truly the biggest gift to yourself, your children and society, to raise children in this way. It's sad that some people are just not equipped any more to do this, and I will venture to say most of them are left-leaning. It seems to be the political camp for the victim-minded. I figured this out only in the past few years, that the conservatives I grew up with were all doing so well, while the lefties struggled. Surely there is a common denominator.
Scarcity? We had a ski house in New Hampshire, traveled to many exciting places. They wanted for nothing in life. But yeah, they had actual CHORES, and learned responsibility by having small jobs at a formative age in life. They are all happy, healthy adults. IтАЩd love to write a book about the lazy, entitled kids I see today.
Scarcity in that they had to partially earn their own way as they matured. Maturation comes from overcoming challenges, not from being handed everything.
You are so right. I believe that men are pretty simple creatures, for the most part. Yes, I'm a woman. Just as in Genesis of the Holy Bible, we see that meen tend to want to please the ladies. I believe we've bitten the apple. Somehow, we (or many) embraced feminism, then it became toxic. We took God given roles from men- they don't know what to do, it appears, if they don't have the light God provides- direction, regardless of what people try to force on us.
Then, so many families having to work- with parents, sometimes 2 jobs each- who raises the kids?
We all know single parent households do not give kids enough of the exposure of either role.
Not to worry, the globie tell us- we won't be men or women!
We really lucked out. All six of our kids (ages 50-23) are conservatives. A few of them had brief moments of тАЬteenage liberalismтАЭ...but they grew out of it LOL!!
I think it was Winston Churchill that said, тАЬIf youтАЩre not a liberal when youтАЩre young, you have no heart. If youтАЩre not a conservative when youтАЩre old, you have no brain.тАЭ
I donтАЩt know that we did anything in particular, but we always made it a point to expose the differences (liberal vs conservative) whenever the opportunities arose. They are all very much тАЬawakeтАЭ (not woke)!
Haha!!! Same here. You didnтАЩt steer your daughter in a political direction. But, I did.
I was an active conservative and enlisted my kids in campaigns . I figured it backfired which accounts for at least one of my kids becoming radically liberal.
No matter the approach, we probably have little influence on our children because our society has much more.
Yeah, I think I was thinking more of confronting adults with really dumb beliefs. You are right about education. What the kids get today is not a proper education.
Howard. By age six, parental тАЬprogrammingтАЭ is over, most of personality is in place. All the stuff that is blamed on schools is in place before school starts. Parents!!!!!!
No, you were sold a bill of goods, that the Democrats are the party of Joe Average, the working man, and the GOP was the party of the Elite. The Dems pulled off the biggest con job in US history, and we are seeing the re-alignment of the parties now because of the lies that have been promulgated for 70 years. MAGA vs, Know-Nothings.
I saw the change with Bill Clinton in the тАШ92 race when he was hawking the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council). I went to an event with him and at the time was fighting him about Mena and the whole тАЬCompromisedтАЭ Terry Reed thing . As soon as I shook his hand I knew he was a rat. Little did I know that his тАЬStand By Your ManтАЭ wife would become the biggest rat of all.
Indeed, Mary Rose. For me it was a bit of a painful transition, oscillating between the joy and amazement of discovery, and the angst of information overload and feeling forlorn. Admittedly, it's only been about 6 years since I was "red-pilled". The journey continues.
Well you are honest and authentic, obviously, and I bet it was diflicult socially, economically even to make the conversion-so you aren't a coward either.
Of course not, Drew. My daughter is woke as hell, and her father is an idiot.
Sigh, if its any consolation you are certainly not alone in this category-my older son and I watched "Am I a Racist" last week-he's not Woke-but he hides it.
But when we went back to his place after the movie when he parked the car, he looked me in the eyes so solemnly I thought he was going to tell me he has 'cancer' but he demanded, that I tell Liz , his wife-high school teacher'- we saw 'Saturday Night" -as she is very, very Woke.
My young son, he's not Woke at all , but he is a laze about still at home at 27 drinking beer, smoking weed and eating on Dad and Mom's tab-I don't know what is worse...
Sounds like my nephew. "His dad ruined him" my sister says. So at 30, he's allowed to sponge off them both, not have a job, etc. Sure. How was he "ruined"? Well, his dad was emotionally unavailable. The horror! Yet, millions like him are able to work and run their own lives. He's even blessed with a high IQ. The problem there is that my sister is a toxic codependent who thinks that her family would die on the spot if she's not there catering to them. Something is very wrong in our society. She's not an outlier, IOW, she is typical.
You both have described the Nanny State that the government is trying to create, both kids finding easy touch parentage afraid to tell them тАЬNoтАЭ. The entire country is being threatened by 50% of folks being exactly the same as these two, and a Deep State kow-towing to them to get votes, unwilling to say тАЬNoтАЭ.
My most sincere condolences on the state of family affairs outlined above. Not to brag, but I have two very unwoke daughters-one married a LEO and the other is divorced but happily so. They had three sons between them, one of whom is making bank as an RN and the other doing likewise financially handling automated production at a large local food processing facility. The other one, well, he's not living at home, nor is he "woke," but he has "issues" involving drugs and the usual assortment of problems which accompany that. But hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, like Meat Loaf told us. Somehow I have to think our strict Christian upbringing had something to do with it. YMMV.
Yes: I wonder. Because my sister and I were raised Catholic (along with a slew of other siblings - because - we were Catholic) and her kids were not raised with any religion whatsoever. The daughter is doing well, though. The son, not so much. Maybe he could have used the morality and spiritual toughness needed in life so he wouldn't be so paralyzed.
Most people are aware that something has happened to the young males in our society. It has been bantered about for many years now.
I raised three daughters and two stepchildren. When they turned 16, they had to get a job. It was mandatory. I explained that they had to learn discipline, to be on time, to deal with bosses and coworkers. Two worked at a grocery store, the others restaurants or as beach attendants. They all loved their jobs, made many friends and had positive experiences. To this day, all have an incredible work ethic.
We helped with college, but they had to earn their own spending money for the year because with five kids in school, they needed to help and take some responsibility for their education. Four out of five graduated and the one who didnтАЩt is doing well in techтАФself-taught.
They all played sportsтАФwhere they learned self-discipline, teamwork, etc. They sailed, played soccer, golfed, played tennis. We are not wealthy, but we prioritized and made mandatory different disciplines and experiences.
We are really proud of all of themтАФthey are out in the world as a teacher, an event planner for a major sports network, a nurse, and two in tech. My POINT here is not to pat myself on the back but to show you THIS ALL STARTS AT HOME.
Well done! You should pat yourself on the back. This is truly the biggest gift to yourself, your children and society, to raise children in this way. It's sad that some people are just not equipped any more to do this, and I will venture to say most of them are left-leaning. It seems to be the political camp for the victim-minded. I figured this out only in the past few years, that the conservatives I grew up with were all doing so well, while the lefties struggled. Surely there is a common denominator.
You taught them the rules of scarcity and how to react to the word,тАЭNoтАЭ. A really good job of parenting, you should write a book.
Scarcity? We had a ski house in New Hampshire, traveled to many exciting places. They wanted for nothing in life. But yeah, they had actual CHORES, and learned responsibility by having small jobs at a formative age in life. They are all happy, healthy adults. IтАЩd love to write a book about the lazy, entitled kids I see today.
Scarcity in that they had to partially earn their own way as they matured. Maturation comes from overcoming challenges, not from being handed everything.
You are so right. I believe that men are pretty simple creatures, for the most part. Yes, I'm a woman. Just as in Genesis of the Holy Bible, we see that meen tend to want to please the ladies. I believe we've bitten the apple. Somehow, we (or many) embraced feminism, then it became toxic. We took God given roles from men- they don't know what to do, it appears, if they don't have the light God provides- direction, regardless of what people try to force on us.
Then, so many families having to work- with parents, sometimes 2 jobs each- who raises the kids?
We all know single parent households do not give kids enough of the exposure of either role.
Not to worry, the globie tell us- we won't be men or women!
Well, they want to create dependence and this socialist thing then sounds wonderful- until it isnt.
"Ditto" on not alone.
What's worse? Having parents who allow him to do that.
It's just a matter of time for the older. Hopefully sooner, or he'll squander his whole life being cucked by her.
We really lucked out. All six of our kids (ages 50-23) are conservatives. A few of them had brief moments of тАЬteenage liberalismтАЭ...but they grew out of it LOL!!
I think it was Winston Churchill that said, тАЬIf youтАЩre not a liberal when youтАЩre young, you have no heart. If youтАЩre not a conservative when youтАЩre old, you have no brain.тАЭ
He admitted in his memoirs that the real reason for WW2 was that Germany wouldn't renounce its sovereignty in favor of the nascent New World Order.
How did you manage that????? Even though itтАЩs too late for me IтАЩd still like to know. Maybe I can practice on my grandchildren.
I donтАЩt know that we did anything in particular, but we always made it a point to expose the differences (liberal vs conservative) whenever the opportunities arose. They are all very much тАЬawakeтАЭ (not woke)!
It is this dichotomy that drives the Turnings. Do not trust anyone over 30, right?
That's pretty poignant!
Haha!!! Same here. You didnтАЩt steer your daughter in a political direction. But, I did.
I was an active conservative and enlisted my kids in campaigns . I figured it backfired which accounts for at least one of my kids becoming radically liberal.
No matter the approach, we probably have little influence on our children because our society has much more.
Homeschool. Peer pressure is the surrounding family. ЁЯд╖
Research suggests that by age ten our kids are more influenced by their peers than they will ever be by adults again,
Close the schools. The people will benefit a hundred-fold - Lao Tzu
I've said for decades, I'd rather have my kids raised by wolves than be victims of the public schools.
The first question you should ask is to explain why they believe what they do. Then rip them apart with truths.
Wrong again, JAZ. You start out with proper education. The rest follows seamlessly.
Yeah, I think I was thinking more of confronting adults with really dumb beliefs. You are right about education. What the kids get today is not a proper education.
Howard. By age six, parental тАЬprogrammingтАЭ is over, most of personality is in place. All the stuff that is blamed on schools is in place before school starts. Parents!!!!!!
Thre is no solver bullet in this paradigm
Peer pressure/Tribal Unity is SO powerful. I was a Democrat until 2019. I donтАЩt brag about that, or my change.
No, you were sold a bill of goods, that the Democrats are the party of Joe Average, the working man, and the GOP was the party of the Elite. The Dems pulled off the biggest con job in US history, and we are seeing the re-alignment of the parties now because of the lies that have been promulgated for 70 years. MAGA vs, Know-Nothings.
I saw the change with Bill Clinton in the тАШ92 race when he was hawking the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council). I went to an event with him and at the time was fighting him about Mena and the whole тАЬCompromisedтАЭ Terry Reed thing . As soon as I shook his hand I knew he was a rat. Little did I know that his тАЬStand By Your ManтАЭ wife would become the biggest rat of all.
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Welcome to the deprogrammed world. It is glorious, indeed.
Indeed, Mary Rose. For me it was a bit of a painful transition, oscillating between the joy and amazement of discovery, and the angst of information overload and feeling forlorn. Admittedly, it's only been about 6 years since I was "red-pilled". The journey continues.
It was easy for me when I began to see what hypocritical liars democrats are.
Just like in the Matrix when Neo learns the real world is an illusion.
Or The Truman Show!
Well you are honest and authentic, obviously, and I bet it was diflicult socially, economically even to make the conversion-so you aren't a coward either.
Glad you are on our side now
Appreciate your honesty. I had that same question.