It's not just supply and demand, it is market education and embodied value. My point is that consumers don't see that if they are going to create jobs for local farm workers (and grow responsibly, etc.), they are going to have to pay for products that created those jobs. That's why I try not to complain about $6butternut squash, $9 eggs, etc. Similiarly, I do not buy from Amazon nor Dollar stores.
It's not just supply and demand, it is market education and embodied value. My point is that consumers don't see that if they are going to create jobs for local farm workers (and grow responsibly, etc.), they are going to have to pay for products that created those jobs. That's why I try not to complain about $6butternut squash, $9 eggs, etc. Similiarly, I do not buy from Amazon nor Dollar stores.
Carol, if I was a rich CEO, say, and you lived in a small town, I could roll in and buy up all kinds of land and resources out from under your and everyone else's feet. But what do you think that would do to the cost of everything?
Part of the point is that if we're going to have a civilization that's worth anything, we're going to have to take the necessary steps to avoid that kind of thing.
Money doesn't equal land, nor labour, and can never.
That's why I'm pro-gift-economy and it is suspected that it's the only economy that will work.
If Earth was a pie, you cannot have the so-called rich or richer take more from it than anyone else, because we are all from the Earth. It's all ours. It's the commons. It doesn't belong to any one person more than any other.
But our culture says otherwise. And it's a recipe for ultimate collapse of that kind of ass-backward civilization.
Exactly! How do you suggest we avoid that? The farm I work at sold the farm land's development rights to a land-preservation nonprofit, so it will always be farmed. However, other New England farms are being turned into developments, which is why there is an effort underway to counter that by promoting alternatives as well as ways to develop part of the land and keep the rest in farming. What helps is if folks buy the farms' products! (Much gift economy at our farm. The owner is famous for it.)
Oligarchy or crony-capitalist plutarchy, call it what you will, will eventually collapse civilization if humans cannot or will not wrap their heads around/figure out forms of anarchy and gift economies, and why their 'plutarchy ways' keep collapsing civilizations time and time again.
It may be that 'our lot in life' until we go extinct may simply be, build-up, collapse, build-up, collapse, build-up, collapse, and so on.
As this is happening, however, there may be offshoots of our species that manage to buck that trend. I discussed it a little with elysianfield and Jarek (Lugh) et al on JHK's old homesite.
The problem is that the globe is currently covered in a State monoculture patchwork, therefore it is generally resistant to alternative forms of human social organization. But collapse can open up opportunities in that regard as it levels the playing-field yet again and creates a vacuum for alternative social structures to enter.
It's not just supply and demand, it is market education and embodied value. My point is that consumers don't see that if they are going to create jobs for local farm workers (and grow responsibly, etc.), they are going to have to pay for products that created those jobs. That's why I try not to complain about $6butternut squash, $9 eggs, etc. Similiarly, I do not buy from Amazon nor Dollar stores.
Carol, if I was a rich CEO, say, and you lived in a small town, I could roll in and buy up all kinds of land and resources out from under your and everyone else's feet. But what do you think that would do to the cost of everything?
Part of the point is that if we're going to have a civilization that's worth anything, we're going to have to take the necessary steps to avoid that kind of thing.
Money doesn't equal land, nor labour, and can never.
That's why I'm pro-gift-economy and it is suspected that it's the only economy that will work.
If Earth was a pie, you cannot have the so-called rich or richer take more from it than anyone else, because we are all from the Earth. It's all ours. It's the commons. It doesn't belong to any one person more than any other.
But our culture says otherwise. And it's a recipe for ultimate collapse of that kind of ass-backward civilization.
Exactly! How do you suggest we avoid that? The farm I work at sold the farm land's development rights to a land-preservation nonprofit, so it will always be farmed. However, other New England farms are being turned into developments, which is why there is an effort underway to counter that by promoting alternatives as well as ways to develop part of the land and keep the rest in farming. What helps is if folks buy the farms' products! (Much gift economy at our farm. The owner is famous for it.)
Oligarchy or crony-capitalist plutarchy, call it what you will, will eventually collapse civilization if humans cannot or will not wrap their heads around/figure out forms of anarchy and gift economies, and why their 'plutarchy ways' keep collapsing civilizations time and time again.
It may be that 'our lot in life' until we go extinct may simply be, build-up, collapse, build-up, collapse, build-up, collapse, and so on.
As this is happening, however, there may be offshoots of our species that manage to buck that trend. I discussed it a little with elysianfield and Jarek (Lugh) et al on JHK's old homesite.
The problem is that the globe is currently covered in a State monoculture patchwork, therefore it is generally resistant to alternative forms of human social organization. But collapse can open up opportunities in that regard as it levels the playing-field yet again and creates a vacuum for alternative social structures to enter.