"To my knowledge Israelis are not kidnapping and then strangling babies." ~ Ben
Israelis don't have to if they're bombing and shooting them.
"Nor are they having parties while returning dead babies." ~ Ben
Israel's 'party' is in their apparently much higher baby-kill ratio and big bags of chips on the tax-pimped dime from Uncle Sam.
See what I mean? It's in that style of Israel-Palestine tit-for-tat without end.
But Palestine has a better position and standing, despite the Israel Lobby, its media and other captured US institutions, and perhaps as comments, such as your ill-conceived ones here, would seem to suggest.
Maybe keep your eyes on March 4th., when the parasite State politicians-- maybe cut from a similar cloth to the ones responsible for creating Israel in the first place-- are supposed to meet somewhere nearby (Qatar?) to discuss this catastrophic issue that shouldn't have started in the first place, eighty years ago.
Israel, as a manufactured State construct, is in the wrong neighborhood. We'll see what comes out of that March 4rth. meeting and what they do with the squat that is Israel.
Name a country in the middle east not carved out with little regard for the crazy tribal morons that live there.
Hint look for the straight lines.
I will wait.
Jews are as middle eastern as anything living there today including the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians that now call themselves Palestinians as fake and made up a group of people as any other group calling the ME home.
We got another Hamas lover in the group, do we?
While we are on subject of don't belong there is not a Muslim in North America, South America and Europe that belongs, they should all kick rocks back on over to the sand box!
Or does that only apply to dirty JooOOOooooos in the middle east?
Israel has existed in the middle east for thousands of years much longer than Islam and its history is rich with people kicking sand in their faces and eventually losing.
No difference here they are just too damn stubborn.
Just a reminder, Ben, that I'm an anarchist. I can't stress that enough.
So the State, such as the State of Israel, is illegitimate-- right off the bat. So any argument for it is pretty much irrelevant. And let's not conflate it with any more 'Israels' than we need to.
If you/we want Israel to be another kind of Israel, a Stateless one, an organic/grassroots, historically-/religiously-appropriate one, say, and something that's not crutched-- 'USAided'-- by coerced tax hostages of another State, or States, and their MICs, oceans away, then we might be onto something. The Palestinians, etc., might even agree.
As for the Middle East and its current status, well, let's just say it's gotten an unfair shake (sheik?) such as by your ostensible state's illegal war in Iraq for but one example, to say nothing of all its other excursions/incursions in and around the area. And it's a lot easier to talk big when one is on the other side of the business end of a gun.
You keep trashing the people in the general area but seem rather blinkered when it comes to your own State's transgressions, at least in that context.
There are plenty of Jews happily and peacefully living their lives around the world like the rest of us...
They need Israel and special treatment like they need a hole in the head.
Same thing according to your own ridiculous narrative your country was founded on conquering, murdering, rounding up and putting the indigenous people into concentration camps which I might add continues to this day.
What a shame you can't apply the same opinion to your own situation which of course makes you an utter hypocrite.
The National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls concluded in its 2019 final report that the Canadian state has perpetrated genocide against Indigenous peoples. This genocide is the underlying cause of the contemporary murders and disappearances of Indigenous women and girls.
This conclusion was тАЬinescapableтАЭ for the commissioners and for thousands of Indigenous people across the country. But as the lead author of the inquiryтАЩs legal analysis of genocide, I know personally how denial and disbelief dominated the reactions of the mainstream media in Canada and of many non-Indigenous people in Canada that amounted to: тАЬA genocide in Canada? Surely not!тАЭ
Then came the stunning news тАФ the remains of 215 children found on the grounds of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C. It seems like the type of mass graves commonly found at sites where genocide took place.
Canadians are beginning to be able to contemplate what for many Indigenous people is a given: Canada committed genocide. But, as academic Joanna R. Quinn said in a recent article for The Conversation: тАЬThe residential school system was also one among many systems of violences and harms. Residential schools represent the tip of the iceberg.тАЭ
ItтАЩs now especially important to recall some of the legal underpinnings of the use of the term genocide in the Canadian context. Many myths and misunderstandings dominate the public discourse, hindering informed discussion on this subject that is so important to the future of our nations.
...is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be 'attacking a straw man'. " ~ Wikipedia
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To echo my point in this subthread, if you keep using fallacies (etc.) to 'support' Israel, you aren't actually supporting Israel. ('With friends like you, who needs enemies?')
I've deleted two or three of my comments that I allowed to go beyond my specific points above. Let them serve with, and as exemplified by, your typical trollish garbage, as placeholders for what to avoid.
'Fool me once, shame on me.'
I'm a willing fool for some things, but not if it subverts what I wrote above.
~ The Ill-Conceived Israeli Squat ~
"To my knowledge Israelis are not kidnapping and then strangling babies." ~ Ben
Israelis don't have to if they're bombing and shooting them.
"Nor are they having parties while returning dead babies." ~ Ben
Israel's 'party' is in their apparently much higher baby-kill ratio and big bags of chips on the tax-pimped dime from Uncle Sam.
See what I mean? It's in that style of Israel-Palestine tit-for-tat without end.
But Palestine has a better position and standing, despite the Israel Lobby, its media and other captured US institutions, and perhaps as comments, such as your ill-conceived ones here, would seem to suggest.
Maybe keep your eyes on March 4th., when the parasite State politicians-- maybe cut from a similar cloth to the ones responsible for creating Israel in the first place-- are supposed to meet somewhere nearby (Qatar?) to discuss this catastrophic issue that shouldn't have started in the first place, eighty years ago.
Israel, as a manufactured State construct, is in the wrong neighborhood. We'll see what comes out of that March 4rth. meeting and what they do with the squat that is Israel.
Hey smart guy.
Name a country in the middle east not carved out with little regard for the crazy tribal morons that live there.
Hint look for the straight lines.
I will wait.
Jews are as middle eastern as anything living there today including the Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians that now call themselves Palestinians as fake and made up a group of people as any other group calling the ME home.
We got another Hamas lover in the group, do we?
While we are on subject of don't belong there is not a Muslim in North America, South America and Europe that belongs, they should all kick rocks back on over to the sand box!
Or does that only apply to dirty JooOOOooooos in the middle east?
Israel has existed in the middle east for thousands of years much longer than Islam and its history is rich with people kicking sand in their faces and eventually losing.
No difference here they are just too damn stubborn.
~ USAided Israel ~
Just a reminder, Ben, that I'm an anarchist. I can't stress that enough.
So the State, such as the State of Israel, is illegitimate-- right off the bat. So any argument for it is pretty much irrelevant. And let's not conflate it with any more 'Israels' than we need to.
If you/we want Israel to be another kind of Israel, a Stateless one, an organic/grassroots, historically-/religiously-appropriate one, say, and something that's not crutched-- 'USAided'-- by coerced tax hostages of another State, or States, and their MICs, oceans away, then we might be onto something. The Palestinians, etc., might even agree.
As for the Middle East and its current status, well, let's just say it's gotten an unfair shake (sheik?) such as by your ostensible state's illegal war in Iraq for but one example, to say nothing of all its other excursions/incursions in and around the area. And it's a lot easier to talk big when one is on the other side of the business end of a gun.
You keep trashing the people in the general area but seem rather blinkered when it comes to your own State's transgressions, at least in that context.
There are plenty of Jews happily and peacefully living their lives around the world like the rest of us...
They need Israel and special treatment like they need a hole in the head.
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List Of Jewish Anarchists
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_anarchists
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youtu.be/HK_gM0WFAeU?si=qhOGlt0MjheWVbLv
"Whirlpools whirl
Dragnets drag
Hell is not the fire
Hell is your belief
In yourself as the higher..."
You should really just shut up now genocider we don't even want remotely the same thing, and I can't stress that enough.
Another insipid post from the guy claiming some non-Existent victory.
Can you be any more delusional?
Let me answer that.
No Ben I believe in mankind's kindness and ability to sort shit out without government, laws or anything resembling society.
Yeah, like I said delusional.
Another long-winded diatribe full of opinion.
Same thing according to your own ridiculous narrative your country was founded on conquering, murdering, rounding up and putting the indigenous people into concentration camps which I might add continues to this day.
What a shame you can't apply the same opinion to your own situation which of course makes you an utter hypocrite.
The National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls concluded in its 2019 final report that the Canadian state has perpetrated genocide against Indigenous peoples. This genocide is the underlying cause of the contemporary murders and disappearances of Indigenous women and girls.
This conclusion was тАЬinescapableтАЭ for the commissioners and for thousands of Indigenous people across the country. But as the lead author of the inquiryтАЩs legal analysis of genocide, I know personally how denial and disbelief dominated the reactions of the mainstream media in Canada and of many non-Indigenous people in Canada that amounted to: тАЬA genocide in Canada? Surely not!тАЭ
Then came the stunning news тАФ the remains of 215 children found on the grounds of a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C. It seems like the type of mass graves commonly found at sites where genocide took place.
Canadians are beginning to be able to contemplate what for many Indigenous people is a given: Canada committed genocide. But, as academic Joanna R. Quinn said in a recent article for The Conversation: тАЬThe residential school system was also one among many systems of violences and harms. Residential schools represent the tip of the iceberg.тАЭ
ItтАЩs now especially important to recall some of the legal underpinnings of the use of the term genocide in the Canadian context. Many myths and misunderstandings dominate the public discourse, hindering informed discussion on this subject that is so important to the future of our nations.
^^ "A straw man fallacy...
...is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be 'attacking a straw man'. " ~ Wikipedia
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To echo my point in this subthread, if you keep using fallacies (etc.) to 'support' Israel, you aren't actually supporting Israel. ('With friends like you, who needs enemies?')
^^ stupid post which is spawned by the guy who has no real argument.
Dismissed for extreme stupidity.
Another delusional post from a guy that probably doesn't even wear boots.
Go back to sucking your thumb and dreaming of being someone that actually has a clue about anything.
Anarchist code word for clueless and Strange is another word for Queer.
Queer is your constant reference to my ass and your virtual boot.
This appears to be an ongoing fantasy queer bedfellow.
I suspect you have rainbows shooting out of your ass so leave me out of your depraved fantasies.
I've deleted two or three of my comments that I allowed to go beyond my specific points above. Let them serve with, and as exemplified by, your typical trollish garbage, as placeholders for what to avoid.
'Fool me once, shame on me.'
I'm a willing fool for some things, but not if it subverts what I wrote above.
Almost an admission of wrongdoing good for you.
I am fine with them but prefer to stick with and honour my main points above, which of course I linked to as well.