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Alan Devincentis's avatar

So you assume that Putin wants Ukraine as his very own? If that were the case, would he have stood by and watched the us build chemical weapons factories on his border? Would he have watch us do to Ukraine what we did? I’m pretty sure Putin just wants to be left alone, like any good conservative. Think about the patience of that man.

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Breck's avatar

Putin doesn't want Ukraine. He was satisfied with Crimea, until the West forced him to invade the Donbass.

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Julie Spicher's avatar

I agree, how many times can we poke the bear?

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Helix's avatar

Not what I said at all. In fact, just the opposite. Russia would be happy to annex the predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas republics and secure Crimea and be done with it.

But with continued flow of armaments from Europe and the US into the Ukraine, the west will not allow Russia to succeed in its stated objectives. So Russia has a choice -- abandon the Donbas Republics and Crimea, which would almost certainly result in a genocide of the Russian-speaking population there; or do what it takes to bring the war to a conclusion, which means bringing Ukraine to its knees. That would likely require either reducing Kiev to rubble or engaging in some extremely bloody street fighting. I'm pretty sure NATO will not allow that to happen. Nor will it stop supplying Ukraine with weapons.

So the die is cast now. This conflict is going to end in the deaths of millions if not billions of people. You might want to think about whether you want to be among them.

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Alzaebo's avatar

"...continued flow of armaments from Europe and the US into the Ukraine,..."

We're dropping in loads of land mines that look like softballs, that we had in Iraq.

Now, landmines that look like toys, or like patches of grass.

I think the NYT is doing its expose to instigate direct war between NATO/US-EU and Russia, not to mitigate it.

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Disinfected's avatar

Extremely alarmist. Not gonna happen.

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Helix's avatar

And so how do you see this playing out?

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