"I will be writing my term paper on the idea that Jesus Christ taught a message that seems to be consistent with philosophical ideas developed over the past century and a half that have come to be referred to as anarchism. I will contend that Jesus led a purely anarchistic life with the added dimension of a higher being: that of God. And I will show how it is that I have reached this conclusion by defining modern anarchism and by giving examples as to how Jesus led this anarchistic lifestyle. I will back up my statement with the help of some well-known anarchist writers."
"If there is a Christian anarchist critique of the state, is there also a Christian anarchist critique of the church?
Yes - a sometimes very bitter one at that. For a start, they are critical of the church's tendency to reassure Christians that what Jesus clearly asks of his followers is actually unrealistic and not really meant for us here and now, but only for the hereafter (as if there would be any point voicing such demands if that was the case!). For Christian anarchists, it's very disappointing that Jesus' radical political demands have been betrayed by almost all official churches and their theologians as they became more established and institutionalised."
Anarchism can be a bit tricky to philosophize sometimes and I'm unsure every self-described anarchist necessarily gets it right all the time. I guess it's like anything, like the religious not quite getting their own religion right.
For example, if one wants to be governed and government is optional, then it seems to fall under anarchy fine. Or if a group wants to do some kind of task that requires a leader, then that also falls under anarchy fine if everyone agrees with it and enters into it wilfully.
As long as whatever people decide, it is generally done of their free will.
Another example that I've read before is getting into a jet plane: If one does that, they do it with the understanding that any funny stuff and the pilot or flight attendants have the coercive power to knock you back, so to speak, into your seat.
And then there's the example of the parent yanking back a child who has just wandered into dangerous traffic before the light turns green or maybe to fetch a ball that has bounced into the street. IOW, there's ethical coercion and unethical coercion. Sometimes the two can be tricky to differentiate. Obviously the child is too young to give consent or all the time for everything, but it can be about saving the child's life and the parent having some levels of ethical coercion/control over the child.
However, the Lord doesn't say "Vengeance is exclusively mine." That, in fact, would contradict the presence of the judges of Bible times (assumed to be honest and upright, of course) who were charged with trying cases and administering earthly justice to the guilty, up to and including capital punishment.
Kathy, we are His arms here. Through us does he work. He has other ways too of course. As He said of Israel long ago, I make plans for your ruin, so it is with us, today.
"The fact that people reacted violently to the song's message is THE EXACT POINT OF THE SONG and I dont think a single person who phoned in a bomb threat to a radio station understood that."
While I have a Beagle and love all dogs, Fauci's poisoning of every human on Earth is also a bad thing. So is lying to congress about setting up bio-labs around the world.
On a gut level, the news about the tortured pups in Tunisia was the most horrible story of animal abuse I have never heard. Fauci should have his eyelids cut off and be forced into a container full of mosquitos. Forever.
Perhaps you mean that-- the eyelid-removal thing-- as a proxy for your reprehension and horror. If so, I can empathize. If not, it would seem guaranteed that anyone going down that kind of path will lose their soul/humanity faster than Fauci ever could, and no amount of hail Marys or scripture mantras will save them.
Eye for an Eye? So why mosquitoes and not sand flies?
He said it was a scientific experiment? About what and to prove what? Sounds like a black magic ritual to me.
I heard about (but have never read) an anonymous post by a lab tech about the guilt he felt for torturing a beagle. The next day he was going to go back to the lab and break the dog's leg, again. It was unbearable to him that the dog always wagged its tail when it saw him. He was the only person in its life. It needed to love someone, even if it was its tormentor/executioner.
I know the biblical references are regarding the correction offered for violence to humans; but I am of the opinon that, unlike Fauci and his ilk, Beagles have feelings.
We must be careful not to over-react. Remember that Robert Hur determined that the Big Guy did break the law by taking classified documents when he stopped being VP..... but he could not be tried because he is not mentally competent. It is my experience that people who are not oriented, people who do not know what they are doing or where they are, typically cannot sign documents or enter into contracts. I'd say that a "pardon" issued by a lunatic is worth less than used toilet paper.
What are you talking about? Do you realize your comment completely misses the point Robert Italia made? And why did you capitalize "Murderer"? Is that the name of a football team or something?
A convicted Murderer can be pardoned… and has been in the past.
In order for a legal pardon to be issued they have to be convicted of the crime and sentenced.
This is called immunity that Joe Biden is attempting to foist off on the American people.
I am with Ron if Justice is denied the people what else is left?
Fauci is a monster and should be in prison for what he did to helpless beagles!
Tying down these dogs and letting sand fleas devour their faces is Satanic.
If human justice is thwarted, divine justice steps in.
I prefer Justice here and now on earth. Let divine justice catch what we can't see.
"Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" ~ Romans 12:19
But Jesus had plenty of "righteous" anger, so should we.
"I AM AN ANARCHIST.
All good men are Anarchists.
All cultured, kindly men; all gentlemen; all just men are Anarchists.
Jesus was an Anarchist...
[...]"
~ Elbert Hubbard, 1910,
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jesus-was-an-anarchist
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"I will be writing my term paper on the idea that Jesus Christ taught a message that seems to be consistent with philosophical ideas developed over the past century and a half that have come to be referred to as anarchism. I will contend that Jesus led a purely anarchistic life with the added dimension of a higher being: that of God. And I will show how it is that I have reached this conclusion by defining modern anarchism and by giving examples as to how Jesus led this anarchistic lifestyle. I will back up my statement with the help of some well-known anarchist writers."
~ Shawn Ford, 1995,
www2.hawaii.edu/~sford/research/jesus/index.html
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"If there is a Christian anarchist critique of the state, is there also a Christian anarchist critique of the church?
Yes - a sometimes very bitter one at that. For a start, they are critical of the church's tendency to reassure Christians that what Jesus clearly asks of his followers is actually unrealistic and not really meant for us here and now, but only for the hereafter (as if there would be any point voicing such demands if that was the case!). For Christian anarchists, it's very disappointing that Jesus' radical political demands have been betrayed by almost all official churches and their theologians as they became more established and institutionalised."
~ William Crawley, 2011,
bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2011/05/was_jesus_an_anarchist.html
Zazzy, a long overdue thanks to you, for helping me see anarchy and anarchists in a completely different light - a different context.
Yes, Jesus, an anarchist for sure - a revolutionary, a rebel (with a cause). Certainly, not the meek and almost effeminate images we see.
Previously I envisioned, head-banging heavy metal music adherents - violent and chaotic.
My reformed definition - which you may or may not agree with - is simply, self-governing, a man needs no other governing.
You're quite welcome, Ron...
Anarchism can be a bit tricky to philosophize sometimes and I'm unsure every self-described anarchist necessarily gets it right all the time. I guess it's like anything, like the religious not quite getting their own religion right.
For example, if one wants to be governed and government is optional, then it seems to fall under anarchy fine. Or if a group wants to do some kind of task that requires a leader, then that also falls under anarchy fine if everyone agrees with it and enters into it wilfully.
As long as whatever people decide, it is generally done of their free will.
Another example that I've read before is getting into a jet plane: If one does that, they do it with the understanding that any funny stuff and the pilot or flight attendants have the coercive power to knock you back, so to speak, into your seat.
And then there's the example of the parent yanking back a child who has just wandered into dangerous traffic before the light turns green or maybe to fetch a ball that has bounced into the street. IOW, there's ethical coercion and unethical coercion. Sometimes the two can be tricky to differentiate. Obviously the child is too young to give consent or all the time for everything, but it can be about saving the child's life and the parent having some levels of ethical coercion/control over the child.
Amerika needs some tough love now, for sure...see the portrait.
However, the Lord doesn't say "Vengeance is exclusively mine." That, in fact, would contradict the presence of the judges of Bible times (assumed to be honest and upright, of course) who were charged with trying cases and administering earthly justice to the guilty, up to and including capital punishment.
Excellent point, my friend.
May I stand in for divine? He apparently is out of the office. 🙂
Kathy, we are His arms here. Through us does he work. He has other ways too of course. As He said of Israel long ago, I make plans for your ruin, so it is with us, today.
~ Bomb-Threats For God & Muhammad ~
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"...I make plans for your ruin..." ~ Lugh
youtu.be/AiIlcew-GVM?si=mKCgSc5VqDMGyLzd
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Dear God
youtu.be/p554R-Jq43A?si=fvhcWMysilhCWPZa
Sample comment under video:
"The fact that people reacted violently to the song's message is THE EXACT POINT OF THE SONG and I dont think a single person who phoned in a bomb threat to a radio station understood that."
~ denver924471
While I have a Beagle and love all dogs, Fauci's poisoning of every human on Earth is also a bad thing. So is lying to congress about setting up bio-labs around the world.
No argument from me.
Just making the point he did something that would have sent you or I to prison.
On a gut level, the news about the tortured pups in Tunisia was the most horrible story of animal abuse I have never heard. Fauci should have his eyelids cut off and be forced into a container full of mosquitos. Forever.
"Fauci should have his eyelids cut off and be forced into a container full of mosquitos. Forever." ~ Charles Clemens
"We must be careful not to over-react." ~ Charles Clemens
Exodus 21:24: "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
Leviticus 24:20: "Fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him."
Deuteronomy 19:21: "Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
Perhaps you mean that-- the eyelid-removal thing-- as a proxy for your reprehension and horror. If so, I can empathize. If not, it would seem guaranteed that anyone going down that kind of path will lose their soul/humanity faster than Fauci ever could, and no amount of hail Marys or scripture mantras will save them.
It doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what you think. And I don't understand what you are trying to say.
I added 'the eyelid-removal thing' to clarify that.
If 'it' doesn't matter, then why post about it?
I don't know when to shut up.
Eye for an Eye? So why mosquitoes and not sand flies?
He said it was a scientific experiment? About what and to prove what? Sounds like a black magic ritual to me.
I heard about (but have never read) an anonymous post by a lab tech about the guilt he felt for torturing a beagle. The next day he was going to go back to the lab and break the dog's leg, again. It was unbearable to him that the dog always wagged its tail when it saw him. He was the only person in its life. It needed to love someone, even if it was its tormentor/executioner.
Heart breaking. Absolutely heart breaking. Anyone who harms an animal should have the exact same thing done to him/her/it.
Dear Strange,
I know the biblical references are regarding the correction offered for violence to humans; but I am of the opinon that, unlike Fauci and his ilk, Beagles have feelings.
C2
https://www.kunstler.com/p/another-door-opens/comment/87936536
Fauci should be six feet under.
but not ahead of time
Right. Ahead of time equals immunity and a license to murder.
How many crimes are these people pardoned for? Future crimes? Past crimes? Any crimes they may commit for the rest of their lives? This is insane.
We must be careful not to over-react. Remember that Robert Hur determined that the Big Guy did break the law by taking classified documents when he stopped being VP..... but he could not be tried because he is not mentally competent. It is my experience that people who are not oriented, people who do not know what they are doing or where they are, typically cannot sign documents or enter into contracts. I'd say that a "pardon" issued by a lunatic is worth less than used toilet paper.
And thought-crimes.
"Convicted" being the operative word.
What are you talking about? Do you realize your comment completely misses the point Robert Italia made? And why did you capitalize "Murderer"? Is that the name of a football team or something?