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E. Grogan's avatar

Programmer.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

Kathy O'Brian wrote TRANCE FORMATION IN AMERICA where she claimed that Kris was active with MK-Ultra (which ended in 1974 when Kris was a college student)

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E. Grogan's avatar

Yes, I read that book. We were told it ended in 1974 but it wasn't. It's still going on. I know people who have been victims of it.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

I've seen videos of soldiers innocently dosed with LSD that ended up laughing hysterically and having lots of fun. If MK-Ultra is still going on, I wish a little of it would come my way.

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E. Grogan's avatar

LSD had nothing to do with MK-Ultra which was mind control/programming which was usually done with torture. If you want LSD, find a local dealer.

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Sedgwick C. Hartung's avatar

@E.Grogan, Do you speak Russian? Are there any books on Russian history (in English) you'd recommend? Or any Russian-language learning advice? Thank you in advance.

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E. Grogan's avatar

No, I don't speak Russian, wish I did. A quick look on Amazon brought up this book, which looks very good - it got average rating of 4.6 out of 5, from over 1,700 reviews:

https://www.amazon.com/New-Penguin-Russian-Course-Beginners/dp/0140120416/ref=sr_1_4?sr=8-4

This book is from 1976, Russia under communism and was written by a journalist who was stationed in Russia at the time IIRC - someone from U.S. consulate brought it over to the hospital for me to read when I was in the hospital in Moscow. It was quite good, gives a very clear picture of U.S.S.R. under communism in 1970s and matches every single thing I experienced when I was there. There were always lines for everything and some folks had to wait up to 4 hours just to buy a pair of shoes! I found it very interesting book "The Russians:":

https://www.amazon.com/Russians-Hedrick-Smith/dp/0812905210/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1

As for the history of Russia, I'd love to find a good book on that, one that starts in B.C. era and goes to current times. Here's one that looks good:

"A History of Russia: To 1917"

https://www.amazon.com/History-Russia-Russian-European-Eurasian/dp/1843310236/ref=sr_1_4?sr=8-4

This one on Russian history also looks good: The Story of Russia

https://www.amazon.com/Story-Russia-Orlando-Figes/dp/1250871395/ref=sr_1_3?sr=8-3

Happy reading!

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Charles Clemens's avatar

I don't want any LSD, thank you; but everyone knows that the big scandal about the now-defunct MK-Ultra Program involved secretly dosing soldiers and American cititzens with LSD.

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E. Grogan's avatar

Sidney Gottlieb was the one who tried all kinds of experiments, including LSD to induce mind control; alas, he discovered LSD wasn't able to induce mind control. Here is an extensive article on the topic:

"GottliebтАЩs master weapon, LSD, made subjects highly suggestible, but their beliefs and behaviours had proved impossible to control."

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n03/mike-jay/lace-the-air-with-lsd

Yes, they tried it on soldiers but it didn't work.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

Sadly, the London Review of Books would not allow me to read without paying and I hesitate to enter into financial deals on the Internet. I'm glad we're getting along now. Time for SEC football!!! Roll Tide

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The Keys's avatar

YouтАЩre uninformed.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

Life goes on.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

History

https://www.history.com/mkultra-operation-midnight...

The CIA's Appalling Human Experiments With Mind Control

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